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[QUOTE=GregLondon]

If we are talking about 18-25 year old unemployed or student girls or girls with a 6000P a month job, then in my experience remuneration is anticipated and/or hoped for unless the impression has been created that they will be your "girl friend" which in the phils typically means someone that you are pretty serious about and are having a 1-1 relationship which will lead somewhere. Of course it is possible to spin all sort of BS and get her to believe this even though you are just about to leave for your third "date" of the evening. Whilst you are at it, why not put her mobile phone into your pocket before you head off ?


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If a girl doesn't ask for money why does one have to pay? Alot of these girls enjoy having sex anyways. Why does the guy always have to part with his cash?

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Many don't want to bother with the 'score', or with relationship crap, or 'chatting her up'. As has been said many times here, the money is for her to leave. I think there's some confusion on your part with that 'hard up' thing. Your desire to not spend 50 clams is respectable. Other's desires to part with it also is.[/QUOTE]
WC1 you are correct. My point is not to say that there is no free pussy, but if you are misleading the girls to get the free pussy, then I have a problem.

I don't think 500P or 1000P (for taxi's and load) is a truckload of money. If you do think that maybe you can't afford to be here mongering.

Do you ever wonder why a lot of profiles on DIA/CB state that if you are only looking to play games or have a vacation fuck to not reply to my ad? If you ask anyone girl who posts this in her profile she will most likely state because she met someone who she thought was the one, but he was here to play games.

Robb

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If a girl doesn't ask for money why does one have to pay? Alot of these girls enjoy having sex anyways. Why does the guy always have to part with his cash?[/QUOTE]

The girls sometimes will not ask for money because money equates prostituition. But they will be happy if you give some. These girls who readily meet foreigners are poor hoping that someone will take them and their family out of their poverty.
To use them with false promises s not a good idea. Be upfront with your intentions and I would say 50% agree to have sex with you. Always show appreciation by giving money saying it is just a gift for her to buy things she needs.

[QUOTE=Sammon]....But they will be happy if you give some. These girls who readily meet foreigners are poor hoping that someone will take them and their family out of their poverty.

Always show appreciation by giving money saying it is just a gift for her to buy things she needs.[/QUOTE]Right on, Sammon.

Guys, how much easier, how much more readily available can it get than here, with many of these beautiful, willing girls? Let's show our appreciation in the currency ALL of these girls need and appreciate, CASH.

I recently offered a Filipina friend to pay 500 pesos per month for her to get a small room near her university. Her genuine appreciation and gratitude equaled that I would have seen giving $1000 to a first world girl.

Remember, these girls are, by and large, desperately poor. For all the kindness and love they show us, let's not shortchange them. Our small 'gifts' mean so much to them.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If a girl doesn't ask for money why does one have to pay? Alot of these girls enjoy having sex anyways. Why does the guy always have to part with his cash?[/QUOTE]

I've no problem with this provided you are honest and upfront about it. That way the girl can decide whether she is so horny that she wants to fuck you for free or not. Maybe add something to your DIA / CB profile along the lines of: I'm looking to have a night of uninhibited sexual passion and then never contact you again. Please don't expect to gain more than a free cup of coffee out of it. But you may feature in my statistical analysis of how many girls I was able to fuck in the ass to be posted on The International Sex Guide. Then let's see how many positive responses you get.

I've seem a lot of guys profiles on these sites and never once seen one as honest and upfront as that. Instead what you see is meally mouthed words about looking for someone special, I'm a simple guy blah blah.

If what you are doing is simply misleading the girl or relying on the fact that most foreign guys will treat them fairly so there is an unwritten expectation of that, then frankly I am not impressed. The inevitable result will, especially if The Phils gets flooded with guys who formerly went to Thailand, be that the whole thing becomes more commercial and negotiated just as it has become in Thailand.

Now Gangles has described how he is targeting more mature women earning 12-30k a month (my guess would be less than 10% of the girls on DIA are earning this much if we exclude the Pros and Scammers), romancing them and being pretty upfront about it. Again I don't have a problem with this both sides are having a fine time.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've no problem with this provided you are honest and upfront about it. That way the girl can decide whether she is so horny that she wants to fuck you for free or not. Maybe add something to your DIA / CB profile along the lines of: I'm looking to have a night of uninhibited sexual passion and then never contact you again. Please don't expect to gain more than a free cup of coffee out of it. But you may feature in my statistical analysis of how many girls I was able to fuck in the ass to be posted on The International Sex Guide. Then let's see how many positive responses you get.[/QUOTE]I recently made a profile on CB that is similar to the one posted above, but with softer wording. It says that I'm not interested in marriage, only interested in touring, only interested in fun and possible travel for a few days, I'm nice, white, and also clean. Bam, 9 responses in the first hour, several more when I got up this morning. I've had girls hang on me for days after meeting in my hotel; some pro's and some just nice gals I've met in chat for a drink or two. Other times its preferable to pay for a 'massage'. Either way, as long as both parties are up front, its all good.

Wow,

I would never have thought that this topic would take off the way that it has.

But reading the posts has highlighted the fact that has not been discussed, and that is, our/your motivation in meeting filipinas.

And that is the key to the whole discussion.

And remember that we are talking about filipinas met via internet dating sites.

Some guys just want to root as many women as possible. OK. As long as they are upfront about it, then OK, and these would probably have the attitude that the filipina should be paid. I guess the statement “pay her to get her to leave” exemplifies this attitude.

Others may be looking for a companion for the medium term, maybe a couple of weeks, while they visit the Phils and travel around a bit. Probably buy her clothes, jewelry, maybe a watch, phone. Should she be paid money as well?

Others, like me, are looking for the special one. I meet and interview a number of women, but my intention is genuine. And in these cases, money is not an issue.

I also set up a number of other meetings, where the mutual intent is heat and play, and I pay them after, always in the form of money for the kids education, or for mama’s medicine etc. because the women have feelings and standards as well.

And there are some who are backups, in the event of an empty bed, and they are paid.

My trips end up as a kind of compromise/conflict of interest. On the one hand, I am looking for miss right, but I also want to have company every night. Sometimes, miss Right does not show, or has mis-represented herself and I make it clear that this will not work. She leaves, and I have an empty bed.

But it cuts both ways.

I thought Miss J1 was just right, tall, thin, intelligent, a warehouse manager. We really hit it off, traveled round, different countries. Then 2 weeks after I had returned home, she sends an email that she has taken a contract in an Arab country, just to prove to herself that she can do it. Still, we keep in touch, met up for her first month vacation, I bought her father a fishing boat to get the family out of the subsistence farming cycle.

I thought Miss M1 was pretty close to what I wanted. We had a lot of time together, including several overseas trips, I put her through two years of school to finish her high school diploma, and I built her a house. After a while, her communications became pretty erratic, and I became suspicious. I found that she had hitched with a local pinoy, sort of de facto husband, had borne a child, and had forgotten to mention it to me. I have cut her out of my will.

I thought Miss M2 was perfect. Wow. Then, a couple of months after I had returned home, she sends an email to say that she had met up with a Korean, she was pregnant, he had left, would I send her more money to pay for her baby.

There are others, of course.

I am putting one through college, one year to go. I am about to pay for Miss A to take a concentrated computer course so she can get a job.

I supported Miss R for 2 years to put her mildly dyslexic daughter through a private school to get her education started. The Miss R started to become a bit erratic in her communications, turns out she had met an Italian, married him, and is now in Italy. And she had 2 other kids that she had forgotten to mention. She was cut out of the will.

Etc, etc..

[QUOTE=Gangles]Wow,

I would never have thought that this topic would take off the way that it has.

But reading the posts has highlighted the fact that has not been discussed, and that is, our/your motivation in meeting filipinas.

And that is the key to the whole discussion.

And remember that we are talking about filipinas met via internet dating sites.

Some guys just want to root as many women as possible. OK. As long as they are upfront about it, then OK, and these would probably have the attitude that the filipina should be paid. I guess the statement “pay her to get her to leave” exemplifies this attitude.

Others may be looking for a companion for the medium term, maybe a couple of weeks, while they visit the Phils and travel around a bit. Probably buy her clothes, jewelry, maybe a watch, phone. Should she be paid money as well?

Others, like me, are looking for the special one. I meet and interview a number of women, but my intention is genuine. And in these cases, money is not an issue.

I also set up a number of other meetings, where the mutual intent is heat and play, and I pay them after, always in the form of money for the kids education, or for mama’s medicine etc. because the women have feelings and standards as well.

And there are some who are backups, in the event of an empty bed, and they are paid.

My trips end up as a kind of compromise/conflict of interest. On the one hand, I am looking for miss right, but I also want to have company every night. Sometimes, miss Right does not show, or has mis-represented herself and I make it clear that this will not work. She leaves, and I have an empty bed.

But it cuts both ways.

I thought Miss J1 was just right, tall, thin, intelligent, a warehouse manager. We really hit it off, traveled round, different countries. Then 2 weeks after I had returned home, she sends an email that she has taken a contract in an Arab country, just to prove to herself that she can do it. Still, we keep in touch, met up for her first month vacation, I bought her father a fishing boat to get the family out of the subsistence farming cycle.

I thought Miss M1 was pretty close to what I wanted. We had a lot of time together, including several overseas trips, I put her through two years of school to finish her high school diploma, and I built her a house. After a while, her communications became pretty erratic, and I became suspicious. I found that she had hitched with a local pinoy, sort of de facto husband, had borne a child, and had forgotten to mention it to me. I have cut her out of my will.

I thought Miss M2 was perfect. Wow. Then, a couple of months after I had returned home, she sends an email to say that she had met up with a Korean, she was pregnant, he had left, would I send her more money to pay for her baby.

There are others, of course.

I am putting one through college, one year to go. I am about to pay for Miss A to take a concentrated computer course so she can get a job.

I supported Miss R for 2 years to put her mildly dyslexic daughter through a private school to get her education started. The Miss R started to become a bit erratic in her communications, turns out she had met an Italian, married him, and is now in Italy. And she had 2 other kids that she had forgotten to mention. She was cut out of the will.

Etc, etc..[/QUOTE]

IMHO Gangles has been acting more than fairly. I agree that the key to this is to act honestly. He is also perfectly right to point out that many Filipinas, even ones that one comes to trust have a serious problem with the telling the truth, the whole truth etc. Personally I think this is more excusable than some of the ruses that guys use, after all you are probably more than twice her age, and can afford to fly to the Phils rather than struggle to find the bus fare to town. What is extremely disappointing is the pretty egregious deceptions after very generous and thoughtful behaviour along the lines that Gangles has outlined.

As far as pressies for medium term flings are concerned. I think in Asia far more than in the West "cash is king". I am happy to buy minor gifts along the way - a 300P bikini can transform the way many of these girls look on the beach or pool, but then generally come up with an appropriate amount of cash as a parting gift. One can easily finesse any potential embarrassment, in terms of "I wanted to buy you X but it's much better that you choose one that you really want etc" .

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]I recently made a profile on CB that is similar to the one posted above, but with softer wording. It says that I'm not interested in marriage, only interested in touring, only interested in fun and possible travel for a few days, I'm nice, white, and also clean. Bam, 9 responses in the first hour, several more when I got up this morning. I've had girls hang on me for days after meeting in my hotel; some pro's and some just nice gals I've met in chat for a drink or two. Other times its preferable to pay for a 'massage'. Either way, as long as both parties are up front, its all good.[/QUOTE]


I agree that honesty is the crucial element in this. If one looks at this from the girl's perspective then what she is asking is (1) what kind of guy is this and what does he expect of me/want me to do? and (2) what's in it for me?

The kind of profile you outline above (which is similar in flavour to my own) is honest and upfront about what you are looking for ie (1) but vague about (2) The reason that it is vague is that IMHO there is a general presumption that if a foreign guy is taking a poor, much younger girl for his short term fun then he is probably going to give her 500/1000P if she satisfies his needs, if that's not your intention, then I believe that the honest and upfront thing to do would be to make sure she is clear about that upfront too.

The policies of the web sites prohibit asking for money so this can't be done directly and is anyhow too embarrassing /against the culture of many less hardened Filipinos. Now if the answer to (2) is a trip to the islands and all your meals and expenses paid , then fine and dandy. I'm in Puerto Princesa now and am amazed how many girls who have lived here all their lives have never been island hoping in the beautiful Honda Bay just 25 kms away let alone the world class Bacuit Archipelago around El Nido, they simply don't have the budget.

However there are guys out there, and I'm not suggesting that you are one of them, for whom it is a matter of pride and machismo that they "never pay for pussy" or at least that they still have what it takes to attract and seduce a stream of nymphettes without financial incentives. This is very much the impression given by Jiggy's post which triggered this discussion and is reinforced if one takes a look at his previous posts to the forum the majority of which focus on a ceaseless quest for "free pussy".

As someone put it much more succinctly then me, there is an unlimited supply of "free pussy" here if you feel OK about stiffing pennyless young girls, and justifying it to yourself on the grounds that you are some sort of maestro in bed - personally I don't.

I have a profile on DIA which is 'diplomatically honest', i.e. I say that I am not seeking a serious GF at this time, but rather some 'romance, physical passion and intimate friendship. However, I am open to meeting the gal of my dreams here who will sweep me off my feet'.

So, a few days ago I make contact with a DIA gal who looks quite pretty and has the usual fairly generic profile listing a high school education and nothing filled in for occupation. She also looks quite pretty in her photo.

After a few exchanged messages, I ask if she would like to meet sometime soon for a coffee. She immediately replies with 'I'm free tonight' (last night). I wasn't free, so I suggest tonight, to which she immediately replies, 'OK' and includes her CP number. She seems eager!

So, around noon today, I text her to confirm if she still wants to meet up this eve. She replies, 'Yes', so I arrange for her to meet me at 7:30 at Greenbelt. All is well.

Then around 5pm I get a text from her, 'Can I ask you something?' I reply back, 'sure', thinking that it is either going to be that she wants to bring a friend/cousin/aunt/sister/gay friend with her when she meets me, or she wants to make sure I will pay her taxi fare (which I always do when I meet a gal in the center of town).

So I am quite surprised when I read 'u know I have only 200 peso in my pocket to go there... i dont want to waste money, am just want to tel u i am selling my body to u. this is my first time i am doing this, first time to go to greenbelt. i need money this time, i want to going back in dubai where place i have work. i dont have work here... hope u understand'

Hmmmm, well at least she is being honest (except perhaps for the part about the first time she is doing this!). Not sure how to respond to that, so I tell her I understand her situation and I ask her how much she expects to get from me. I also ask her to send me a few recent pics to my email because I have been disappointed a few times in meeting DIA gals who do not look like their profile photo. I also say that I am only interested in her offer if she is very slim and attractive. Yep, i figure at this point, honesty is the best policy!

So she replies that she will send a few pics in a few minutes, and that she wants... wait for it... $100.

I giggle as I read that, and then wait for the pics. The pics arrive in my yahoo a few minutes later and indeed she is cute, but nowhere near $100 cute. I text her back and tell her she is being unrealistic coz $100 is what professional escorts get and any guy can go into LA Cafe and walk out with a lovely gal for 2000 pesos for the whole night.

She then gets back to me to say '4 u 3000 pesos ok... how much can u give me?'

I go back and look at her pics and decide that though she does look rather sweet, the moment of interest for me is passing and I really don't want to haggle with her about money. So I text her back with apologies that I'm afraid I must cancel the date and I hope she can find another guy to help her get back to Dubai.

So now I am scrolling through my CP phone book to find a replacement date for this eve!

Manta Ray

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I've no problem with this provided you are honest and upfront about it. [/QUOTE]
I do much better when I meet random girls in public compared to internet sites. What I usually do is straight up ask them if they expect money from me or not. And I tell them I don't pay for sex, which is a lie (I do this to qualify the girl). The majority say they don't want money. The ones that say they want money I give them cash. The others get a free meal and a few pesos for jeepney/taxi back home.
I'm not in the charity business. Most of these girls are getting fucked by phil guys who give them no cash. Why is it that the foreigner always gets stuck with the bill?

[QUOTE=GregLondon] there is an unlimited supply of "free pussy" here if you feel OK about stiffing pennyless young girls, and justifying it to yourself on the grounds that you are some sort of maestro in bed - personally I don't.[/QUOTE]
I agree it's old to hear some guys talk about "yah, i got laid for free etc..". The unfortunate thing, however is that money doesn't grow on trees. As a monger, if I don't have to pay or if I can get a discount of the price, I'm happy. For me it has nothing to do with pride or machoism. It has to do with money. With exchange rates getting worse and the economy in shambles, if I have the opportunity not to pay a girl for sex, I'll take it.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]The kind of profile you outline above (which is similar in flavour to my own) is honest and upfront about what you are looking for ie (1) but vague about (2) The reason that it is vague is that IMHO there is a general presumption that if a foreign guy is taking a poor, much younger girl for his short term fun then he is probably going to give her 500/1000P if she satisfies his needs, if that's not your intention, then I believe that the honest and upfront thing to do would be to make sure she is clear about that upfront too.[/QUOTE]All of which can be discussed in chat, not necessarily in the profile. I'm fairly sure that when u tell her (profile and/or chat): 1. Your not interested in marriage; 2. You're only in town a few days; 3. You are touring the country and want her to be your guide while you are in town; 4. You will pick up all of her traveling expenses if you decide to take her anywhere; that you have covered the bases.

That's pretty clear. Amazingly, there seem to be oodles of asian girls willing to do this. If she's been a good gfe for me, I'm not above slipping a few pesos in her purse when I'm putting her on a bus or she's dropping me at the airport.

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]
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I go back and look at her pics and decide that though she does look rather sweet, the moment of interest for me is passing and I really don't want to haggle with her about money. So I text her back with apologies that I'm afraid I must cancel the date and I hope she can find another guy to help her get back to Dubai..............[/QUOTE]

Hi Manta. Good to see you back here.
I agree that getting caught up in the haggle over price is a "passion-killer" for me too.

I had a terrible experience recently that annoyed me intensely. I have been meeting a girl quite regularly for fun only and have been paying her a fixed price and she knows that is fixed. She usually texts me asking to meet so I know when she is hard-up for cash.
She arrived as usual and after the usual chit chat and the preliminaries we got down to business. It was full-on no holds barred foreplay and the anaconda was desperately seeking a nice moist dark hole to crawl into. I reached for the muzzle to slip over his head and got a "Honey, can you please give me extra money today because of .x...y...z ...."
Now I was NOT interested in discussing this topic right at this CRITICAL point, and I said "later later". She kept on about how she needed extra and it was too much for me. I rolled off, condom still in the wrapper, and told her to get dressed and go and not to call me any more.
She was shocked, dismayed, started to cry etc etc and genuinely could not understand why I was so annoyed/frustrated/pissed off.
It was a clear, stark reminder to me that no matter how much a working girl seems to like the sex and how much she seems to be "into it" they really are usually only acting in order to earn cash and for her to mention extra money right at the "height of passion" showed me that she was just acting out a performance.

So Manta ..... I have had several experiences very similar to yours that ended up in me pulling the plug (so to speak) but at different stages of the process. You got in early so you never had the annoying finale that I endured.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Hi Manta. Good to see you back here.

I agree that getting caught up in the haggle over price is a "passion-killer" for me too.

I had a terrible experience recently that annoyed me intensely. I have been meeting a girl quite regularly for fun only and have been paying her a fixed price and she knows that is fixed. She usually texts me asking to meet so I know when she is hard-up for cash.

She arrived as usual and after the usual chit chat and the preliminaries we got down to business. It was full-on no holds barred foreplay and the anaconda was desperately seeking a nice moist dark hole to crawl into. I reached for the muzzle to slip over his head and got a "Honey, can you please give me extra money today because of. X. Y. Z. "

Now I was NOT interested in discussing this topic right at this CRITICAL point, and I said "later later". She kept on about how she needed extra and it was too much for me. I rolled off, condom still in the wrapper, and told her to get dressed and go and not to call me any more.

She was shocked, dismayed, started to cry etc etc and genuinely could not understand why I was so annoyed/frustrated/pissed off.

It was a clear, stark reminder to me that no matter how much a working girl seems to like the sex and how much she seems to be "into it" they really are usually only acting in order to earn cash and for her to mention extra money right at the "height of passion" showed me that she was just acting out a performance.

So Manta. I have had several experiences very similar to yours that ended up in me pulling the plug (so to speak) but at different stages of the process. You got in early so you never had the annoying finale that I endured.[/QUOTE]A buddy tells me of his former american gf who did something similar. She came over for a dinner-in date, their first naughty encounter. As the passion built up and at the moment of naughty impact, she stopped him with "Can I ask you something? Can you loan me $800? " Hahaha he said he was stymied and didn't know what to do, he could not think at all from all the kissing she was tagging him with. He said, "talk later" and started to proceed. She rolled him off and stood up and started to dress, asking him again for the loan, something she needed to get for her mom. He was shell-shocked. A complete act on her part. She was out the door in 1 minute when he told her "let me thing about it. " He called her the next day to ask why she pulled that crap and she never returned his calls. No money, no honey!

Them whoe's is everywhere!