Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=ALion2;2161981]After spending a few weeks in both Pattaya and Phuket (Patong) I have done a comparision list based on my experiences with the most important things first and the less important things last.

1. Girls look.

More attractive girls in Phuket. Phuket girls are generally more good looking and hot than the girls in Pattaya. Phuket girls are mostly also more friendly, funny and easy-going than the girls of Pattaya. Double points to Phuket! Pattaya-Phuket: 0-2..[/QUOTE]Respectfully your opinions are skewed which is fine. I detect you slightly prefer Phuket. I went to the top soapy in Phuket and 95% of the girls were older than me. Less guys to compete with in Phuket. But stunners will cost you.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2162279]Good overview, but I might disagree with the conclusions. For one, you give equal ratings to each comparison point. Some of use would assign a different weighting factor. For example, I don't drink much, so I really couldn't care less on how much the drinks are. And I don't care so much about the quality of the discos, only if they have available women in them! And while Patong is relative small in geographical area, I like that Pattaya has three major areas that are easily accessible by baht bus. And one factor you did not consider was simply the shear number of available girls in Pattaya. It is overwhelming! So while the relative percentage of hot girls on Bangla Road may exceed that on WS, the fact that there are so many more girls on WS means that the total number of hot girls there exceeds that on Bangla. True, there are more men as well to compete with, but I feel the overall opportunity to monger successfully in Pattaya is superior. A factor as well is the ease of getting to Pattaya from Bangkok. You can leave BKK and be on Soi 6 in around 2 hours for 1200 baht (more or less). To get to Phuket, you almost need to fly there (several thousand baht), with a 2 to 3 hour layover in BKK, the flight, then waiting for luggage in HKT and getting a ride in for around 800 baht. Plus the reverse leaving.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response Hawk! I was considering weighting points but decided its better to let everyone do their own "weighting" based on personal preferences.

My experience is that even though there are more girls in Pattaya than in Phuket, I saw a greater number of hot ladies in Phuket.

Yes, its'easier to go from Bangkok to Pattaya than to Phuket. But there are also direct flights from many countries in Europe to Phuket.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2162316]Exactly. When I was in Phuket in December the disco were full of regular tourists, male and female. I was like what time do the hookers get here. It seemed that the internet was the best way to get hookers in Phuket. Where do you get chicks there before night time? The only place I knew was at a few massgae parlors on the soi that I have since forgotten the name of. And I think that soapy place was like 5000 baht. You can have Phuket. I will keep my mongering skills in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I visited all the night clubs at Bangla Road and there was a lots of hookers in all of them, maybe with the exception of White Room night club where it was mostly tourists. Regarding day time mongering I can recommend the massage shops in Phuket which is actually another hugh plus for Phuket. The streets are full of massage shops and many of them have young hot ladies working there and full service are almost always on offer.

I visited many massage shops while there. Price for full service between 1. 000-1. 500 baht. However, in Pattaya I didn't visit any massage shop since I could find any attractive girls in any of them. I have tried soapie in Pattaya once before and will not do it again. Overpriced and without any feeling.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2162521]It would be helpful to know which bars / gogos you visited in Phuket and Pattaya to make your comparison. If you can tell me there are better looking girls in Phuket than in Pattaya gogo bars like Infinity, Palace, and Baccara or even What's Up, Imagine, Sapphire, Sensations, Happy, Nui 2, Ginza, Skyfall, etc. I'm all ears but from everything I hear from friends visiting Phuket this is definitely not the case.[/QUOTE]Phuket: Visited most gogos. Suzi Wong was my favourite with a lots of hot ladies, a lots of action and a funny vibe.

Pattaya: Visited many gogos at Walking Street and a few at LK. Among the ones you mention: Palace, Skyfall, Baccara, Sapphire. And those were actually the best I found in Pattaya.

Phuket: Tiger 1 bar area, Tiger 2 Bar area, Soi Seadragon Bar street, several bars along Bangla Road.

Pattaya: Made in Thailand Bar area, Soi Diana bars, several bars along and around Walking Street, soi 6-7-8 bars.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2162942]It is not even a common thing to see anyone purchase a bottle of whiskey in an agogo bar or beer bar. I can not say that I have ever seen it. It is a more common thing in the discos. Same as you read in the reports, most guys go out and hop from one agogo or beer bar to another; they don't just settle into one for the evening. There are hundreds of agogo and beer bars in Pattaya. To me they are rather boring, but to each their own.

Also the girl and her friend got fired from the agogo last month because a guy came in and was buying them a lot of drinks but they didn't get him to buy any for the mamasan. The mamasan got jealous and told them they could not work there anymore. So if you are sitting with the same chick for a long time prepare to hear a lot of, "Buy dink for friend me/my sister/or whoever else may be in the room."[/QUOTE]OK thanks. Now I understand it better. I have no problem buying some drinks for a girl who keeps me company, but wouldn't do that to a mamasan.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2162985]OK thanks. Now I understand it better. I have no problem buying some drinks for a girl who keeps me company, but wouldn't do that to a mamasan.[/QUOTE]Don't overbuy drinks and please don't buy drinks for the girl's "sister". No matter how similar they may look it isn't her sister! At the very most buy drinks once every set whether it be 20 or 30 minutes. Don't buy drinks for a girl who is just sitting their on her ass. If there is no DFK, HJ, or at least a ton of mutual groping move on to the next girl. Imo the worst guys who go to gogo bars are the ones who buy drinks for the waitresses who are as wide as they are tall. Why?!

As for bringing a bottle to a gogo bar, I have only seen this once at Baccara in Pattaya. A young decent looking farang bought a bottle and girls were all over him. I'm pretty sure it was because they wanted to be with the farang more than drinking from his bottle. As mentioned, the girls make no money from drinking his alcohol but he may have been tipping them all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2162942]It is not even a common thing to see anyone purchase a bottle of whiskey in an agogo bar or beer bar. I can not say that I have ever seen it. It is a more common thing in the discos. [/QUOTE]Hi Mr. E,

Just one slight disagreement.

I was in Pattaya a couple of weeks ago with two friends.

Most evenings we had a couple of drinks at a bar beer on 2nd Rd next to night market.

We bought several bottles of Thai whisky there at 800 Baht per bottle. We then only paid for mixers.

Moma San wrote our name on the label and each evening when we left would keep the bottle behind the bar ready for our return.

Quite a cheap and convenient way to drink. Some of the bar girls also bought their empty glasses round for a nip. (NO lady drink charges!

I also remember seeing, at another bar a sign saying that bottles would be kept for one month.

Next time you are in a bar beer then just ask. You may be supprised on how many offer this service.

Hotman.

I just remembered several go go's had a full bottle option on the menu. I seem to remember that the price was around 3000 Baht! NOT such a good deal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2162887]There is nothing that says you have to buy anybody any drinks. It is free to get in the club/bar whatever. Buying drinks for yourself ensures they can keep the doors open and the lights and A/C on. I am one guy that has always said that lady drinks are for suckers. That is probably because when I go out I am hunting for pussy and not just trying to hang out and drink. So I know how to approach a chick right off to ask about going with me without all the drinks and small talk. With that being said, I do understand the purpose of lady drinks and it ain't to interview a chick. You can ask her questions and touch on her as long as she sits or stands there without buying her a damn thing.

Reminds me of when I was in Florida and another board member took me to a strip club. I asked the chick right off how much to fuck her. She told me to get a couple of dances first then talk about it. I said what kind of moron do you think I am? Why would I blow the money I plan on using to fuck you on getting dances from you? If I get you to the room you will end up dancing for free anyway. In this case, why would I blow the money I am planning to use to fuck the chick on buying a bunch of lady drinks when I have 30 bottles of liquor in my room?

Besides getting a regular salary, lady drinks is the way that the ladies make money. They are not there drinking just for the pleasure of it, so you buying a bottle for yourself does shit for them. They are looking for customers that they can make money from, not drinking buddies. I do not know many people that are trying to sit in the bar with the same hooker for 2 hours, and the hooker definitely is not trying to do it if the baht are not adding up.

Imagine yourself working at a car dealership and someone comes in and wants to test drive cars all day long with no intention of buying one. You work off commission and would not want to waste your day on that bullshit. Same thing with lady drinks. So you are either paying a bar fine that secures her earnings for the night, or you are buying her lady drinks that will do the same. It is more her making a living, not hustling you as you have put it.

The last couple of months I was messing with a chick that worked at a gogo bar on LK Metro. Every so often I would come in and buy her and her best friend a drink. (Why not? She wanted to come see me everyday and I never had to give her any money.) They would make 50 baht from each lady drink. (From 6 drinks per night, they have already made the Thai minimum wage for high school graduates.) When that drink was gone the mamasan would come along and make them get up and leave if I was not buying them another drink. And I definitely was not doing that.

In a beer bar it is a bit different. The bar would generally be a U-shape with the girls corralled inside of it. In this situation there is really no place for the girls to go and they will sit there all day long and play Connect Four with you even if you do not buy them a drink.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm bored or my hormones are changing? Been that way for a while. I go out visit GoGo's at night just to get out do a rotation W. S. L. K. Since they change all the time. 99.9% of them I rarely buy LD rarely do I BF even when they lower the price for me. I have a better time knocking down a bottle of hot Saka out front of Happy Go Go watching the freelancers deal with the Indians cruising by?

In the past and still my favorite place I seen customer bring their own bottle usually is something expensive. Not sure what the club advantage but I think the customer pays for the ice and chaser which I would think has a big mark up they aren't going to make a lot of money if they don't. I also noticed that usually the guys that bring their own bottles are regulars so the girls who know them drink with them. What I do know is some of these girls have been BF before by these customers so they drink hoping again or they introduce new one's to the customer. In return, I seen these customer tip the girls for their company 100-500 baht for their time seen a guy give a 1000.

It is no longer about the pussy for me but today I have no problem buying lady drinks even for the so call sister, ugly, Toms, mamasan, manager at one particular Go Go, when I go I know I'm going to spend. When it comes to any other club if a Mamasan ever ask me for a drink or a tip gives me a hard time I usually just smile don't say a word and go on with what I'm doing as if she isn't there. But when it is time for me to leave it would normally be a while before I return. At my favorite place I visit when I'm really bored at all given hours and when I do after a hour or so my cup is running over with drink slips, there have been times my bin is 5-7,000 and end up having a great time sitting and be. Sing with the girls and regular.

Maybe so bored I need a challenge again. Heard Pre-season Softball is coming again so I'm getting ready for the opener!

[QUOTE=Nordico;2162882]Hi guys,

I have never been to Thailand, but it may be the destination of my next trip. I have spent a lot of time reading the forum and I'm wondering how many lady drinks these hustlers would typically drink, if they sit at my table for couple of hours in a go go or a normal bar? Yes, I know they will drink as many as I buy them, but my rule in some other countries has been that the girl cannot drink faster than me. One drink for me and one drink for her.

Another question is, if I buy a bottle of whisky in a go go bar, will the girl drink that, or do I still have to buy her those watered down lady drinks?

Cheers,.[/QUOTE]Don't knock the "watered down" drinks so much. I know, you are charged too much for a lady drink and you hate to see it's value diminished because they water it down, but consider how many drinks these girls down each month! Now consider the number of calories they would be consuming if those were full-strength! If you realize that they may be consuming half to 100% of the daily caloric needs from alcohol and sugar, then you should realize they will have a weight problem! And while many mongerors don't care about these ladies and their health, think about what too much alcohol does does to one's liver! So yeah, the value of the LD is a fraction of what you are paying, but the purpose of the drink is to let you meet a pretty lady in a safe location so as to get her to have sex with you.

And while the girls will indeed try to get you to buy drinks for others, they are doing so to help their friends to meet their quotas. It is no problem for you to decline the friend. But don't automatically knock buying the mamasan a drink. It might be a good strategy in some situations. If she likes you, she will get you the girl you want, and if the girl has seen you are friends with the mamasun, the odds of a good performance are better. And if you can get her to sit down with you, the stories you can get will be worth the price.

Oh, one thing that bugs most of us, but it is how things are, is that once it is time for the girl to dance, she will leave you to take the stage. Even if you have just ordered her a drink and it hasn't even arrived yet, she will leave you. And if some dude, maybe the dude who got the mamasan a drink, asks to see her after the dance, guess where the girl will go? Yep, she will come pick up her drink, maybe apologize, and go sit with the other dude. If it happens, don't bother getting upset. It is how things are. That is a rule you can't change. (This is why it is best to catch a girl right after she has left the stage. Otherwise, ask her how until her next dance before you buy a drink.).

[QUOTE=Cdd4100;2161883]I'm a "young man," mid-70's. Been going to Thailand for 20 years. I've tried all the venues, most of them written about by members over the years. I haven't posted much because I haven't had much to add. But now I'm struggling with how to proceed on my next trip, 2 weeks in mid-May. Raincoats are a big problem at this age and have been for several years, almost no feeling. But BB is a health risk so I've opted for HJ's lately. Tried a Thai GF for several trips, she loves money more than me. I'm in really good shape, walk a lot, like to dance, like all music. I don't drink very much, mostly soda, and don't smoke. I'm about 5'5" with weight proportional; I attract women 50 and over on TF but I can get that at home. Also I don't trust TF, not my generation. So my question: what are you older guys doing?? And where?[/QUOTE]I am a young man also, 68, currently on my seventh trip to Thailand. I understand your narrative, I found staying at a decent hotel, currently in Jomtien Beach, helps enjoy the area and restfulness. Have met some good people here versus the throngs in Pattaya. I have concentrated on ThaiFriendly ladies, age range 35 to 43 seems to be ideal, and do not repeat more than twice. Sometimes overnight generally 10 AM for two hours. Have also found a new raincoat by Trojan called her pleasure ecstasy which I have really enjoyed and made the sessions quite good.

Furthermore I have found that there is so much good food in this area that can be fun finding good cuisine. I too am in pretty good shape, but half of a little pill also enhances the sessions.

I took in walking street last night, with thousands of the Bros from across the bay as well as hundreds of tourists with trade War issues with my homeland who were overall outlandish. Walking street is not my thing however did stop in to a gogo something called electric something and found them very friendly and a great lineup of ladies who were not at all pushy, I would return to watch and feel, and telling the ladies upfront that I'm not going to bar fine them they would smile sit for a while and then say bye-bye, all is good with me.

Also have found foot massage at 200 baht ($6)/ HR Is one of the best values available, and there are more massage parlors with with this on offer than there are Indian restaurants.

Was in bed at 12:30, breakfast around 8:30, ThaiFriendly lady at 10 with One hour notice from my files.

Off to my massage.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2159998]Different strokes for different folks.

My percentage of doable girls at TF is definately much higher, so my approach to find a girl and my preferences obviously is different than yours. So there might be no common rule for "good" girls available at TF.[/QUOTE]Very well said, different strokes for different folks, I created a file of about 80 over the past year, so with attrition down to 50 now on the ground I have had 10 the past week and have a waiting list, they are good like minks in heat and most very nice trying to make a few extra baht.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2163855]I am a young man also, 68, currently on my seventh trip to Thailand. I understand your narrative, Cheers.[/QUOTE]I'm not much of a drinker and I get enough politics at home so I try to avoid all of those conversations. I like Pattaya for the music, dancing, energy and I re-live my youth that way, mostly on WS but I'll gladly go to local places if I can find some local girl to take me to them. I still can, I consider myself lucky, so I do. I find LT to be a real problem the past 2-3 years in that the girls either flat-out leave at 4-5 AM or find an excuse to go. No point in arguing as I don't want them to stay and make my life miserable at that point but now I'm doing ST to avoid this. I like the massages, with and without he. I get bored being alone, traveling alone, so for the last 2 years I've tried to hook up for several days to as much as two weeks. But it isn't working out very well so next trip in May I'm going back to ST only. I do try the gentlemen's clubs but for the most part I find the girls unattractive. I like youngish, 21-35, spinner type body plans. I'm going to try Kinnaree again next trip, it's just a hassle to get there. Also I like small music bars, open to the street with or without freelancers present. I found one on 2nd street just north of LK Metro. The singer is really good and the girls are friendly. I'm not comfortable with TF although I'm thinking that I should try it. I worry about fake pictures and fake weights. I do get a lot of responses from 45-55 year olds, almost always overweight and very old-looking even at that age. And I don't know what to say, they don't write much English. And I also worry about getting into physical trouble or getting an STD from BR girls. So it goes. It seemed much easier when I was younger, maybe I just worried less! Thanks for your note, I enjoyed reading it!

So I went to Pattaya and headed to to Sappire, saw a girl liked asked her age she said it was 22 and asked the waiter to confirm the age too haha. I also asked five times afterwards. Took her to the hotel, didn't check her in since the staff were probably at the back. Did the business twice, used a condom and pulled out even with the condom right before I finished. Wanted to be super safe. After that I paid her the fee and gave 200 baht extra for cab, she was happy hugged me and asked me go again tomorrow, I declined since I just wanted to have that experience off the bucket list. Was in Pattaya for two extra days chilled and left to other parts of Thailand. Didn't swap any details with her.

After reading posts of scams and all just wondering if I should expect any concerns from the meeting? Or I should chill the f out and enjoy my trip.

Hey guys,

I got in last week and around here for about 2 months or so.

My concern is about the songkran. Did some research and ask a bunch of girls but all mixed responses.

Is Songkran really going to be a week long thing in Pattaya and are bars and walking street clubs closed for that period?

Is there any place in Thailand I could go to avoid Songkran. I love the festivity but want to avoid the water. I easily get cold and want to avoid getting sick.

It's 180 baht in a grab Taxi and about 15 minutes from Central Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Cdd4100;2164090]I'm not much of a drinker and I get enough politics at home so I try to avoid all of those conversations. I like Pattaya for the music, dancing, energy and I re-live my youth that way, mostly on WS but I'll gladly go to local places if I can find some local girl to take me to them. I still can, I consider myself lucky, so I do. I find LT to be a real problem the past 2-3 years in that the girls either flat-out leave at 4-5 AM or find an excuse to go. No point in arguing as I don't want them to stay and make my life miserable at that point but now I'm doing ST to avoid this. I like the massages, with and without he. I get bored being alone, traveling alone, so for the last 2 years I've tried to hook up for several days to as much as two weeks. But it isn't working out very well so next trip in May I'm going back to ST only. I do try the gentlemen's clubs but for the most part I find the girls unattractive. I like youngish, 21-35, spinner type body plans. I'm going to try Kinnaree again next trip, it's just a hassle to get there. Also I like small music bars, open to the street with or without freelancers present. I found one on 2nd street just north of LK Metro. The singer is really good and the girls are friendly. I'm not comfortable with TF although I'm thinking that I should try it. I worry about fake pictures and fake weights. I do get a lot of responses from 45-55 year olds, almost always overweight and very old-looking even at that age. And I don't know what to say, they don't write much English. And I also worry about getting into physical trouble or getting an STD from BR girls. So it goes. It seemed much easier when I was younger, maybe I just worried less! Thanks for your note, I enjoyed reading it![/QUOTE]