Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2637434]Ram, one of the issues I have with the vaccine is that everyone just thinks so simplistically about things. The vaccine just "boosts your immune system" and that is supposed to be a good thing, but it is not always: an overactive immune system causes some of the most horrific diseases you will ever see like Lupus.

When you take a vaccine, it is like pulling the fire alarm. It is best to think about fighting off infections in war like terms. When you give a vaccine it is like telling the body, "we are going to war, get ready!" The real goal with the Covid vaccine is that you produce snipers, specialized antibodies, that work best against Covid, but that is not all that is done. When you take the vaccine, you also produce massive amounts of the military machine that are general fighters (tanks, planes ETC). And like at war time, the more defenses you deploy, the worse the friendly fire will be. In war time, studies have shown 20 to 50% of all causalities were due to friendly fire.

One of the things I learned lately is the Covid antibodies produced by the virus are different than those produced by the vaccine, and that difference can be detected. So again, the snipers are not as specialized as you think. So with the first few variants, the antibodies and vaccines worked really well. The vaccine produced antibodies that shot and killed things that were say midnight blue.

Then Delta comes along and it changes the color to say royal blue, and the effectiveness of the vaccine goes way down.

Now you have omicron and quite frankly it looks like the virus has now changed color to teal..[/QUOTE]You make some very good points. Just me personally, I had covid really bad, like it freaks me out a bit getting it a second time. I am going to take my chance with the booster and just hope it works and I don't get severe covid.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2636406]I went to the doctor yesterday for a regular checkup and one of the first things she asked was if I had gotten a covid vaccine. I told her no and she asked the reason why not. She said if you ever decide to get one then you can just go to the lobby and sign up. Then it was on to the next thing.

She did not tell me about how the hospitals were overcrowded because of people like me or how I was going to get sick and die (especially having asthma) or how I was going to infect everyone around me. She did not mention Sweeden or what happened to people in Timbuktu. She did not say how many people the Mayo Clinic study said are in ICU from covid in my age range. This is a lady that makes money off of me and she was totally unconcerned. Hell, she did not even have her mask over her nose.

It was the very opposite of a group of strangers that want to quote sources of how this world is doomed if I do not get a shot and are so concerned with my personal health that they stress themselves out wanting to beat some sense into me, jab me with a needle themselves, or wish for the incarceration or death of myself and others like me. Maybe my doctor got her license out of a cereal box and does not know better than all the "experts" in this room and others like it.[/QUOTE]Was that supposed to be some profound bit of wisdom? It wasn't.

She's a doctor. She doesn't get paid to get into debates with her patients. She has a professional obligation to give you medical advice. She doesn't get paid to convince you to follow that advice. She makes more money if you don't accept her advice.

Has your doctor ever suggested a change in your diet, or for you to get more exercise? Did she then spend 45 minutes going over all the health risks of obesity?

If you smoke, your doctor will probably suggest you quit smoking and offer access to resources to help. If you have high cholesterol or diabetes, your doctor will recommend dietary changes. There's a long list of things which might elicit a suggestion from your doctor, but almost never will any of those things cause a doctor to get into a debate with their patient.

Not only does the doctor not get paid trying to convince you to get vaccinated, it takes valuable time away from other patients. She asked, pointed you towards the resource and moved on. In other words, she did her job.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2637330]Haha, anybody else kinda freaked out by just the name Omicron? It is kinda ominous as far as naming a virus. You think who ever picked this name chose it to scare people into getting the booster shots?

I hope no one takes this post too serious, anybody know who actually is in charge of naming the variants?

Media is saying boosters are 75% effective as stopping symptoms. I'll probably get it, Covid had me all fucked up for a week in August of 2020, I really don't feel like dealing with that again.[/QUOTE]It's a letter in the Greek alphabet. That's how they are naming the variants.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2637446]Here are your words (bolding is mine): "It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by [B]research[/B] to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months."

If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.

So, basically, what you wrote is BS.[/QUOTE]He does that quite often, and then runs and hides from anyone who points out his BS.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2637446]If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.
So, basically, what you wrote is BS.[/QUOTE]Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2637409]This is the worst rebuttal I have seen in a long time. If you were any time of man with any bit of character, you would have just apologized and would have been done with it, but you are really going to try and argue this and pick every little thing possible to try and argue. Check my earlier posts, I made a mistake and accused JustTK of views he didn't have and when he pointed it out to me, I did what's right and apologized. Its not that hard, but your probably a soft as cotton snowflake and you can't handle the stupid fact you might have made a mistake in an online anonymous forum. Haha, I can tell your just an asshole in real life too from the type of things you choose to criticize others about. You are really taking the time to tell me we are not "friends", News flash buddy, I am guy on a forum and we have never met! Haha why on Earth would you ever assume I think we are actual friends. Let me help you bro, its called using a "figure of speech", but you are an asshole and you can't just have a friendly debate.

Hahaha you also really tried to bring up the fact that I considered the essay by Kingsnorth a "short" reading, like you really took the time out of your day to let everyone know I should not consider that a short reading. LOL dude that's funny and sad on your part. I am sorry, your trying to have a mature discussion on a serious topic and your trying to point out the reading took longer than 2 minutes to read so I should not refer to it as a short reading. I am sorry, it took me maybe a few minutes to read, to me that's short, but to each their own I guess.

So I did say "no one is trying to say vaccines are useless". I was referring to the essay by Kingsnorth and my own opinion. Again, why are you bringing other people into "my post". I never said anything about anyone else on this forum, so why would you bring "their" views into my "post". I chose my wording perfectly! Nether me or Kingsnorth ever said vaccines are useless, so therefore according to my post no one said vaccines are useless. Why is that so hard to understand?

Look the unproven vaccine thing is tricky, but in my opinion, the vaccines are unproven. They could have long term side effects that don't manifest until years later. Those types of things happen all the time, one example off the top of my head is agent orange from Vietnam or the Dupont Company poisoning Pennsylvanias water supply with waste chemicals which ended up giving people cancer. I am not exactly sure about those details, but you get my point. There is a possibility some people may be allergic to the vaccine. There is still many unknowns, and that is my reasoning for labeling them unproven. That's why outside of Global Pandemics, it takes multiple years to approve these vaccines. Yes I understand the government has told us that the same safety protocols were followed and just sped up the approval process and the vaccines are 100% safe, but anyone who has ever studied history knows that governments have told lies before on a nation scale and this wouldn't be the first time. And I am not trying to scare anyone away from taking the vaccine, but I don't think its a smart idea to just blindly take it and not be cognizant of the possible dangers, no matter how small they may be. But honestly, who gives a fuck if I even say they are unproven or they are proven, it is a stupid fucking thing for you to even try and argue at this point..[/QUOTE]OK I apologize:

I apologize that you don't have the writing skills to say what you mean.

I apologize that you don't understand a simple [B]very simple[/B] principle: If I quote you directly. I can't be putting words in your mouth.

I apologize that you can't accept any criticism without getting defensive and belligerent.

I apologize that you don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' (or you are) which goes a long way to describing the quality of your education (if any).

I apologize that you don't understand that the science of the 1970's (Agent Orange) has made tremendous strides through 2021.

I apologize that you don't understand hypocrisy. I apologize for using a 6th graders word with you, clearly that was an oversight.

Lastly. I apologize for being an asshole. But tomorrow morning when we all wake up. I'll still be an asshole and you'll still be stupid.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2637656]Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.[/QUOTE]So, when you used the term "research" you meant anecdotal BS. I get it now.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2637678]OK I apologize:

I apologize that you don't have the writing skills to say what you mean.

I apologize that you don't understand a simple [B]very simple[/B] principle: If I quote you directly. I can't be putting words in your mouth.

I apologize that you can't accept any criticism without getting defensive and belligerent.

I apologize that you don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' (or you are) which goes a long way to describing the quality of your education (if any).

I apologize that you don't understand that the science of the 1970's (Agent Orange) has made tremendous strides through 2021.

I apologize that you don't understand hypocrisy. I apologize for using a 6th graders word with you, clearly that was an oversight.

Lastly. I apologize for being an asshole. But tomorrow morning when we all wake up. I'll still be an asshole and you'll still be stupid.[/QUOTE]Haha, nice reply, I was way too defensive and belligerent, my bad.

Ram, I thought you might enjoy watching this. Short video on vax patent waivers.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGSsMgqnWQc[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2637656]Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.[/QUOTE]Do you even know the difference between a single-blind study and a double-blind study is?

Or how many participants are needed or either?

Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2637656]Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.[/QUOTE]Let me translate that.

By "research" he means he read it somewhere, probably in a blog filled with the ramblings of someone whose background in science consists of passing a required class in highschool.

If he was referring to actual research he would have simply posted a link to the peer reviewed study which either supports his claims (unlikely), or which he can misrepresent and claim it supports his claims. Here's a quick example:

Let's assume there are studies which show people who eat a diet which meets or exceeds the recommended daily servings of fruits and vegetables, are less susceptible to common strains of influenza. Now to normal people who have integrity, that's easy to grasp. Eat a balanced diet and you will likely be healthier.

But when it goes through the JustTK filter it changes drastically. There's several paths it can take as the study gets twisted beyond recognition. Almost certainly, his interpretation will be that vegans are less susceptible to Covid.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2637782]Haha, nice reply, I was way too defensive and belligerent, my bad.[/QUOTE]OK, I was a little too aggressive in my retort. Let's just call it peace.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2637446]Here are your words (bolding is mine): "It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by [B]research[/B] to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months."

If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.

So, basically, what you wrote is BS.[/QUOTE]Actually, his number is low. Researchers have revealed a link between diet and COVID-19 which showed plant-based eaters were 73% less likely to come down with the virus compared to those who include animals in their diet. Meanwhile, pescatarians, whose primary protein source is fish, were at a 59% lower risk.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/06/08/vegans-are-less-likely-to-get-severe-covid-study-says/[/URL]

Now who is full of BS?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2637802]Do you even know the difference between a single-blind study and a double-blind study is?[/QUOTE]Yes, but why would I need to? We are discussing a double-blind study, not a single-blind study.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2637717]So, when you used the term "research" you meant anecdotal BS. I get it now.[/QUOTE]No, not anecdotal at all. You should stop using words that you do not understand. It does not reflect well upon you.

[URL]https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/plant-diet-covid-19/[/URL]

[URL]https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/18/bmjnph-2021-000272[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34489306/[/URL]

3 articles on 2 different studies. Not cherrypicking. I have seen no research that shows diet is NOt important.