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[QUOTE=Turgid;2606388]Hope its better than it was 2 years ago otherwise I might be gay. Mainhatten is the only FKK I've visited where I left without a session.[/QUOTE]Used to visit Oase regularly whenever I was in Frankfurt on business and have had some great sessions (and a few not so good ones) there. Decided to visit Mainhattan once for variety but left very quickly due to too much rough looking talent, most of them with bolt-ons. Maybe I visited on a bad day but I just never went back.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2606388]Hope its better than it was 2 years ago otherwise I might be gay. Mainhatten is the only FKK I've visited where I left without a session.[/QUOTE]Mainhattan had real beauties years ago. Megan started at Mainhattan before moving to Sharks and Globe after. I tried my best looking everywhere when I didn't want to go to Sharks, but at 8. 30 pm, after searching for 8 hours, I gave up and moved to Sharks. Even not a good make up as I told her, but my eyes stopped to cry when seeing fresh full natural supermodel.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2606388]Hope its better than it was 2 years ago otherwise I might be gay. Mainhatten is the only FKK I've visited where I left without a session.[/QUOTE]I visited Mainhattan 3 days.
Very good service, nice girls and good value for money.
But day 1, I was at Sharks first.
With the attitude among most of the girls "for half an hour you will only get this and that", I did not went to any room.
This has never happened before!
The reason to the disastrous situation at Sharks (female-male ratio 1:6, non-existent service level and arrogant attitudes among girls) is STUPID herd behavior among clients.
And read this report about FKK Sharks once again, if you missed it:
"On a positive note, there were a lot of hot girls in Sharks. Forget the male to female ratio, I have never seen so many men in Sharks period. Almost every girl tried to upsell for BBBJ and refused to kiss. I am staying away until things settle down. Even the less attractive girls were driving a hard bargain. However I did think many men were not taking the bait and the girls looked very frustrated. Hopefully the tide will turn soon. I am staying away from the high profile clubs until 2022."
[QUOTE=Arnold15;2606461]I visited Mainhattan 3 days.
Very good service, nice girls and good value for money.
But day 1, I was at Sharks first.
With the attitude among most of the girls "for half an hour you will only get this and that", I did not went to any room.
This has never happened before!
The reason to the disastrous situation at Sharks (female-male ratio 1:6, non-existent service level and arrogant attitudes among girls) is STUPID herd behavior among clients.[/QUOTE]I have read on this forum for a long time, but never reported.
I can only confirm what you write.
My visit this early autumn at Sharks was a disaster.
Attitudes among girls is even worse than in Amsterdam RLD.
I have never experienced such upselling in the rooms.
Kissing +50 Euro, BBBJ +100 Euro Anal +150 Euro, etc.
Ambient is phantastic. But a club will never be better than the greed among the girls.
This is perhaps the worst FKK-club in the whole Germany to visit at the moment.
[QUOTE=Arnold15;2606046]As a comparison:
Ratio was 1:1,5 last Friday evening at Mainhattan.
And no upselling.
Plenty of nice girls to choose between.
The situation at Sharks with bad female-male ratio and huge upselling occurs due to "HERD BEHAVIOR" among mongers.
All mongers run to the same place at the same time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your sharing your experiences. The negative reviews of Sharks since reopening is well-documented by now. Hearing reports from multiple members helps paint a clearer picture. That said context still matters. Some mongers give off a wealthy vibe. Some mongers give off I am in the mood to spend money vibe. WGs will react positively to this. Other mongers give a off a "lonely fall in love easily" vibe. Some WGs will react positively to this love-smitten monger believing that he will be a devoted high-repeat customer. Egos of ISGers shrouds reality because these contextual details often go unreported.
You mention that WGs are discussing pricing with you. Are your pricing discussion occurring outside the room. Do you bring up pricing subject first? Or do they?
I almost always discuss pricing and services upfront before I agree to session, especially at tourists clubs. Often it is abrupt and early in the conversation. So naturally some WGs will see this as a red flag. But most of the time I do not care. Because if I do not like their reaction then that is a red flag for me too.
[QUOTE=BullPenetrator;2606473]I have read on this forum for a long time, but never reported.
I can only confirm what you write.
My visit this early autumn at Sharks was a disaster.
Attitudes among girls is even worse than in Amsterdam RLD.
I have never experienced such upselling in the rooms.
Kissing +50 Euro, BBBJ +100 Euro Anal +150 Euro, etc.
Ambient is phantastic. But a club will never be better than the greed among the girls.
This is perhaps the worst FKK-club in the whole Germany to visit at the moment.[/QUOTE]I must be really lucky at Sharks on this Summer and not only because I found 2 beauties who are really good for me, had 11 1 hour rooms with them, when my eyes smile seeing Kelli, Melissa, Tessa on July, but mostly because I didn't experience big upselling on my 10 visits and 15 rooms. I may not have the face nor manners for this. My best club on this Summer for a very different guy. I like salmon even not sweet on Sunday 12 September, melon, pasta and natural sweet beauties.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2606565]Thanks for your sharing your experiences. The negative reviews of Sharks since reopening is well-documented by now. Hearing reports from multiple members helps paint a clearer picture. That said context still matters. Some mongers give off a wealthy vibe. Some mongers give off I am in the mood to spend money vibe. WGs will react positively to this. Other mongers give a off a "lonely fall in love easily" vibe. Some WGs will react positively to this love-smitten monger believing that he will be a devoted high-repeat customer. Egos of ISGers shrouds reality because these contextual details often go unreported.
You mention that WGs are discussing pricing with you. Are your pricing discussion occurring outside the room. Do you bring up pricing subject first? Or do they?
I almost always discuss pricing and services upfront before I agree to session, especially at tourists clubs. Often it is abrupt and early in the conversation. So naturally some WGs will see this as a red flag. But most of the time I do not care. Because if I do not like their reaction then that is a red flag for me too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reply.
With regular girls, I never discuss price or services before the room. They know what I want to do.
And I prefer regular girls instead of testing new girls.
With a new girl at any club I always discuss services and price before the room. I always choose 30 m first time and tell the price. Then I look at her reaction. If the reaction is bad or negative in any way, I do not session her.
The ratio female-male is a KEY factor for the behavior of the girls and upselling.
If the ratio is 1:3 or higher, then the girls have a good negotiating position.
If it is 1:2 or lower, the girls' bargaining power is much worse.
During 3 days at Mainhattan, the ratio was 1:1,5. And no upselling.
One of my Swedish friends recently visited Palace. This (at least former shit-club) is not my favorite club. He told me that ratio was 1:1 and no upselling.
The travel restrictions have primarily damaged the central Frankfurt clubs (Palace and Mainhattan). Most Asians visited these clubs.
Reports here at ISG tell about ratios of 1:4, 1:5 or even higher at Sharks. And upselling is worse than ever.
Some mongers here at ISG (e.g. Siroja) still do not understand that there is a strong link between the female-male ratio and the behavior of the girls.
The club is extremely dirty with lots of clients and sharky girls after visiting 4 time in the last two weeks. If you are not willing to pay 200 euro / HR, you won't get any young beauties at this time. Many people I talked to even got scammed or bad services even overpaying at 200 euro / HR or in many instances, the girl shorten the session time to 10 minutes.
[QUOTE=Arnold15;2606711]Thanks for reply.
With regular girls, I never discuss price or services before the room. They know what I want to do.
And I prefer regular girls instead of testing new girls.
With a new girl at any club I always discuss services and price before the room. I always choose 30 m first time and tell the price. Then I look at her reaction. If the reaction is bad or negative in any way, I do not session her.
The ratio female-male is a KEY factor for the behavior of the girls and upselling.
If the ratio is 1:3 or higher, then the girls have a good negotiating position.
If it is 1:2 or lower, the girls' bargaining power is much worse.
During 3 days at Mainhattan, the ratio was 1:1,5. And no upselling.
One of my Swedish friends recently visited Palace. This (at least former shit-club) is not my favorite club. He told me that ratio was 1:1 and no upselling.
The travel restrictions have primarily damaged the central Frankfurt clubs (Palace and Mainhattan). Most Asians visited these clubs..[/QUOTE]Of course I don't understand, because girls behavior when they know you have nothing to do with men ratio and even most often when they don't know you. When I heard about Sharks Saturdays Balkanians nights, when I was too bored and too heavy balls at Mainhattan, I decided to move to Sharks on this Saturday evening, what a challenge versus all Balkanians of Hessen, but we don't play same game, no competition. Unfortunately my most elegant was not working when I doubt she is Balkanians specialist, but my fresh full natural supermodel seemed happy to get me back after 3 weeks break not going with her. It was just easy for me to get one of the 3 prettiest girls at Sharks and she saved my Saturday, being my prettiest and best among 4 clubs I visited on this week end, when unfortunately couldn't find any attractive at Mainhattan where I was surprised some managed to get business, 1 rather ugly having even a bottle paid for companionship. I didn't detect such smartness when she tried to attract me before. My Sharks girls who are among the prettiest are usually free for me. One is full GFE for 100/60 for our 3 rooms.
[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2606755]The club is extremely dirty with lots of clients and sharky girls after visiting 4 time in the last two weeks. If you are not willing to pay 200 euro / HR, you won't get any young beauties at this time. Many people I talked to even got scammed or bad services even overpaying at 200 euro / HR or in many instances, the girl shorten the session time to 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]Thanks for report.
Your conclusions are in line with 99 % of the other mongers' conclusions in this thread (exception: Siroja).
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2606804]Of course I don't understand, because girls behavior when they know you have nothing to do with men ratio and even most often when they don't know you. When I heard about Sharks Saturdays Balkanians nights, when I was too bored and too heavy balls at Mainhattan. . . . Bla bala "beauties" silicon boobs bla bla[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I was 3 days at Mainhattan last week.
1. Clients are kings.
2. No upselling.
3. Good casting.
4. Perhaps best value for money at the moment.
[QUOTE=Arnold15;2606903]Thanks for report.
Your conclusions are in line with 99 % of the other mongers' conclusions in this thread (exception: Siroja)..[/QUOTE]Bad looks with many silicon seen by my eyes at Mainhattan. I didn't even ask for rate.
When nobody criticized Sharks like me between 2017 when Megan left following my advice and 2019 when I was hated by many girls, threatened for this, I enjoy Sharks on this Summer and I don't experience big upselling with girls I chose who have will to please me. I won't return soon to Mainhattan, I will to Sharks where I don't fear competition when I see many girls waiting for business.
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[QUOTE=Arnold15;2606903]Thanks for report.
Your conclusions are in line with 99 % of the other mongers' conclusions in this thread (exception: Siroja).
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Not really, I do agree with Siroja, I was at shark in August for full week, some girls want ((50/30-100/60)) , some girls want ((100/30 - 150/60)).
So i dont agree with UssbTravel when he said : (( If you are not willing to pay 200 euro / HR, you won't get any young beauties at this time))
[QUOTE=Tuber19;2606986]Not really, I do agree with Siroja, I was at shark in August for full week, some girls want ((50/30-100/60)) , some girls want ((100/30 - 150/60)).
So i dont agree with UssbTravel when he said : (( If you are not willing to pay 200 euro / HR, you won't get any young beauties at this time))[/QUOTE]I agree with UssbTrave.
L if you are Short, Bald, Fat, Ugly, No Class, Uneducated, lack charming skills.
And think money can buy you everything in life.
I agree with Siroja because he has 15,000 post.
Albeit most are nonsense.
But the 1% that relates to girls, prices, looks, and experience in the zimmer are for the most part accurate.
[QUOTE=Tuber19;2606986]Not really, I do agree with Siroja, I was at shark in August for full week, some girls want ((50/30-100/60)) , some girls want ((100/30 - 150/60)).
So i dont agree with UssbTravel when he said : (( If you are not willing to pay 200 euro / HR, you won't get any young beauties at this time))[/QUOTE]When I'm known, even at Globe, to criticize a lot and hard, but sometimes I wonder if some really visited to experience or just read Germans forums where they didn't want foreigners to come back, when most girls and even the prettiest are often waiting for business, like Melissa, even sometimes Katalea, 185 supermodel Kelli was not busy, I saw Brenda waiting for business at the bar. No girl asked me 200/60, I would refuse, when had 6 100/60 rooms, not only 1 when I go with prettiest. Seem bad luck for some at Sharks.