Manila

Nice recon, don't usually worry about past posts. Could squeeze in 3 sessions in my younger days but have to slow down now.

Actually never looked at whether bags can be checked through on a long layover nowadays. It was ok in June last year. I ran into some problems with the US airlines recently because bags cannot be checked in until 3 hours before departure. It was not a big deal as long as laptops and electronic devices are still allowed. It is getting to be a real pain as rules are constantly changing.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2125905]Agree Bushes as there is lots of action around there if you look hard enough - 18 hours is enough for 3 sessions if you don't sleep of course.

But sadly Seattle29 has yet to post his FR on his layover and his previous post was about his niece in Singapore who he says would give him her ass as he would out her otherwise. That was June 2017 so seems he likes to ask about things rather than share?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2126775]I agree that pounding the pavement can yield some good results, but is there anything in the whole city (bar, massage, brothel, etc.) where one can go to see a selection and point and fuck a decent looking 18-20 yo for 2-3 k? Or is this a thing of the past? My last few visits to Manila have yielded much lower quality than previous years at my budget. It's starting to feel a bit like BKK now. Overpriced and worse quality.[/QUOTE]It takes some time to set up but I am having good luck in that age and price range from the dating sites.

Was in P Burgos street just after Christmas and was pleasantly surprised as to how busy it was (I previously had the impression that most girls returned to Samar and other places at that time). Always start my night at Cafe Cubana, which is on the ground floor of the Royal Bellagio Hotel and a great place to watch the world go by and get ones orientation. It is open 24 hours and the service is great although prices are much higher than nearby restaurants.

Headed across the street to Plan be which plays great music, has a line up of pretty dancers, and you can be assured that you will be surrounded by girls asking for a lady drink (from memory at least 300 pesos) so it is easy to run up a tab quite quickly. It was quite busy but then always is busier than most other bars.

Then had one drink in Bottoms which was low key.

Next stop was Bourbon where I was the only customer and was told that I was their saviour. Bourbon are open to requests for music and they genuinely make an effort to please.

Then went to Rascals, a little further up P. Burgos. Hardly anyone in there but the girls were older and less persistent about lady drinks than Plan be.

Met a woman I really liked and agreed that we would meet at Cafe Cubana after 4 am. She duly arrived at the scheduled time.

Bar fines appeared to be the same at 3,900 pesos + extra for the girl so if you visit a few bars and buy lady drinks, and then bar fine later you could get through 8,000 - 9,000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2126775]I agree that pounding the pavement can yield some good results, but is there anything in the whole city (bar, massage, brothel, etc.) where one can go to see a selection and point and fuck a decent looking 18-20 yo for 2-3 k? Or is this a thing of the past? My last few visits to Manila have yielded much lower quality than previous years at my budget. It's starting to feel a bit like BKK now. Overpriced and worse quality.[/QUOTE]I think its a thing of the past. A few months ago on Burgos street I got an offer by a mid-30's so-so for a 3 some with herself and a hottie she had standing with her, so I took them. The so-so would later turn out to be a provider. She can get what I want (similar to your needs), but because she takes a large cut and because young hotties go for more, she's wanting 3-4 k and offering her cuties for no more than 60 or 90 minutes. Most of the girls she provides are not street girls.

The alternative is to walk into bars with pretty girls, but you can double that amount with barfine and tip. Speaking of bars, the girls in the bars run the gamut from hot to fuggly (larger % leaning towards fuggly these days). Walked into Bourbon last week, 10 pm, only customer, 5 fugglies on stage with big bellies, not a cutie in the bunch. However several cutie dancers in Go Bananas and a bevy of modest late 20's GRO's to hang with you.

Was in Mirrors a few months ago with one of my provincial regulars. The place was packed with 20+ girls, not a fuggly among them, and it was a rockin' party atmosphere. Same bar last week saw quite a change. Different management (new mamas introduced herself and her management staff to me (all Bicolana, and she was proud of that and brought over 2 stage girls who were also from Bicol), 8 girls, only 1 cutie. WTF happened to the place? One drink and out.

Side note to the above provider. She brought me a cutie last week for 2500 (I had to bargain to move the provider from 60 to 90 minutes). After the ditty as we were showering together I asked her how much of the 2500 the mama would get. "She get one-five, I get one thousand". Really. "Yes its not enough. So hard. I am the one who should get one-five, not her". You're right. Lets cut her out next time sweetie. Are you ok to 2 k for 3 hours? "Yes of course. And I can overnight for 3 thousand". And the following night we cut the provider out. A trip to Cowboy Grille for pizza and SML made the cutie happy and after she made me happy evening and morning and stayed for breakfast. A gem, and she is the second looker to cut the provider out.

Second side note: Street girls on Burgos quote 2k for ST, but many of them are average looking or older. They quickly agree to 1500 for 2 hours (or longer). Much of the haggling goes on in txt message, after she's handed me a card or exchanged phone numbers.

After reading the report here, I decided to take a walk there last night. P Burgos was crowded. After an hour, ended back at Bottoms, watching a tourist get fleeced! Ah. Youth.

Last Friday setup time with a girl met on Facebook. She had a ready do and don't list.

We agreed for meeting in VC Pasig. She insisted that she will come in only after seeing the room key pic in my hand. Felt weird but due to previous chats was convinced.

She came in promptly on time. Broken English but eager to please. Except for stretch marks nothing wrong with the girl.

Started with WOT, followed by Doggy. Took a break in the jacuzzi in the room. Another round in Jacuzzi itself.

Body- 7.

Willing to please- 9.

WIR. Don't usually return to same one. But if in crunch then maybe.

Damages- 3.5 K. 3 hours. + Hotel for 2.2.

Just left some fellow travellers at the LA Cafe. It is good that some places are still dependable for a good time, whether or not you do take out.

Great report! Question, I see many post about meeting women on FB, how? Is there a group?

[QUOTE=Maverick4979;2129862]Last Friday setup time with a girl met on Facebook. She had a ready do and don't list.

We agreed for meeting in VC Pasig. She insisted that she will come in only after seeing the room key pic in my hand. Felt weird but due to previous chats was convinced.

She came in promptly on time. Broken English but eager to please. Except for stretch marks nothing wrong with the girl.

Started with WOT, followed by Doggy. Took a break in the jacuzzi in the room. Another round in Jacuzzi itself.

Body- 7.

Willing to please- 9.

WIR. Don't usually return to same one. But if in crunch then maybe.

Damages- 3.5 K. 3 hours. + Hotel for 2.2.[/QUOTE]

Leveled up last night.

6 pm massage girl delivered via we chat (spinner, had to be gentle with her) 2.3 k.

8 pm freelance from LA Cafe, found her within 10 secs of sitting down. (Best Paid lay award) 2. 5 k will be a freebie repeater great ROI side note: Best BBBJ CIM award goes to a freelancer in AC a few trips back from high society. 1.5 k wish I still had her contact.

11 pm went back to LA Cafe, so many women but only 1 worth pursuing. (Best Butt and legs award, been missing the US quality "slim thick" look and feel) 2 k should be a freebie repeater can't confirm just yet.

What are the "cheapest" neighborhoods for ST. Burgos Street is high cost right? Anyone done a ST lately and know the general price and where? Trying to plan where to stay, and to see if a bus ride to AC is worth it. I've only got like 17 days in town.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2133806]What are the "cheapest" neighborhoods for ST. Burgos Street is high cost right? Anyone done a ST lately and know the general price and where? Trying to plan where to stay, and to see if a bus ride to AC is worth it. I've only got like 17 days in town.[/QUOTE]Streetwalkers in Malate and Ermita. See post #15945 and up.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2133806]What are the "cheapest" neighborhoods for ST. Burgos Street is high cost right? Anyone done a ST lately and know the general price and where? Trying to plan where to stay, and to see if a bus ride to AC is worth it. I've only got like 17 days in town.[/QUOTE]I would say Malate and Ermita areas. Cubao is also good if you have online walkers connection.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2133822]Streetwalkers in Malate and Ermita. See post #15945 and up.[/QUOTE]AWESOME! Thanks for the post # reference!

LOL walk downstairs and pick up chix? Anyone tried staying here?

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2134829]LOL walk downstairs and pick up chix? Anyone tried staying here?[/QUOTE]Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2134978]Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.[/QUOTE]The WGs patrol the area inside between the Pedro Gil entrance, the escalators, Starbucks and Marks & Spencer.

If you cannot recognize them you shouldn't be allowed out alone.

Risky to try those simply entering near Burger King as that's a regular entrance. I have never seen WGs loitering near there but I will have another look tomorrow when I am there.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2135018]The WGs patrol the area inside between the Pedro Gil entrance, the escalators, Starbucks and Marks & Spencer.

If you cannot recognize them you shouldn't be allowed out alone.

Risky to try those simply entering near Burger King as that's a regular entrance. I have never seen WGs loitering near there but I will have another look tomorrow when I am there.[/QUOTE]Maybe I should not be allowed out alone then. I am at the mall right now and although I am here with a chick I still haven't seen shit. Yesterday I sat outside right in front of Burger King waiting for a chick and I didn't see anything then either. Just regular old people. I have been here several times over the past years and only yesterday I realized how big the place is. For some reason I thought it was much smaller and only 2 floors.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135024]Maybe I should not be allowed out alone then. I am at the mall right now and although I am here with a chick I still haven't seen shit. Yesterday I sat outside right in front of Burger King waiting for a chick and I didn't see anything then either. Just regular old people. I have been here several times over the past years and only yesterday I realized how big the place is. For some reason I thought it was much smaller and only 2 floors.[/QUOTE]If I understand the orientation of the picture, the Pedro Gil entrance is just to the left of the photographer, with the escalators just to the right. That's the correct area, by 11 am there are usually 1-2-3 girls patrolling in that area near the escalators (sometimes with an older mama). They are usually not much to look at, their IPO is usually stated at 1500 or 2000 for ST, and they quickly accept the countered 1000.

Okay guys I think I got the hang of it now. Me and the chick I am with (met her at LAC last time) are sitting outside (inside the mall) at Starbucks and she said this is indeed the place.

There are only a couple of stragglers standing around, but they are mixed in with people tapping into Starbuck's wifi. There are also a couple of foreign guys standing around doing nothing as well. One chick (red shirt) was standing for the longest then a foreign guy came up to her and she quickly did a 180 turn away from him. Me and my chick cracked up laughing. Here are a couple of pics.

Update: I really have it down now. As we are walking toward Pedro Gil, chicks walking the other direction are staring at me. It is so hilarious. The chick said she is going to leave me in the middle of the mall and see if chicks come up to me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135055]

Update: I really have it down now. As we are walking toward Pedro Gil, chicks walking the other direction are staring at me. It is so hilarious. The chick said she is going to leave me in the middle of the mall and see if chicks come up to me.[/QUOTE]Yep you've got it right now Mr E.

Note to newbies (with eyes like deer caught in headlights) - not every girl is a WG. This area is also a rendezvous point where guys and gals wait to meet bonafide friends.

Watch carefully so you don't hit on someone who might make a fuss.

If an observer cannot pick the WGs, then refer to my comment in Post #15987.

It's not a sure-fire thing. Some days there are many girls; other days there are none (a bit like Ayala Mall in Cebu).

Some days there are only fuglies.

Last week I saw one of these girls (fat, not so ugly). She was the only one there. A middle-eastern gent approached her and 2 minutes later they were off to the races.

If you wish to be discreet and not provide entertainment to those watching from Starbucks, you can smile, keep walking but maintain eye contact and point upstairs, and take the escalator.

Wait at the top in front of Arya.

Most times she will come up, and you can negotiate out of the spotlight.

I think I will! Will be Angeles first for a bit, but will keep you posted!

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2134978]Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2135215]I think I will! Will be Angeles first for a bit, but will keep you posted![/QUOTE]Read Posts 16016 to 16020 first before you waste your time at BK.

I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.

Still no chicks in front of Burger King; just a bunch of people waiting on their rides. There were 2 or 3 hookers in front of Starbucks a while ago when I was inside. 2 were for sure the same ones from yesterday. I am just here waiting on a DIA chick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135493]I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.
[/QUOTE]Brilliant M O Mr E. You did very well.

These guys are everywhere in Robinson's Malate. I have had several of them. The last one I played with him for a while too. I told him I was an Australian undercover policeman investigating prostitution in the Philippines. The guy almost tripped over himself running away LOL.

Yeah, that type of scam happens to me in Bangkok. However, there are some that are real and not scam. Some of the workers at hotels do moon light or do referrals. Also, some of the hotel ladies look very different outside their uniform. Over the years, I have had some that recognize and approach me. In those cases, after verification, it could lead to a nice meeting.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2135501]These guys are everywhere in Robinson's Malate. I have had several of them. The last one I played with him for a while too. I told him I was an Australian undercover policeman investigating prostitution in the Philippines. The guy almost tripped over himself running away LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135493]I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that.[/QUOTE]I always like LAC. Not always consistent, but a nice place to start or watch. Sat there for about 2 hours with a FL on Saturday afternoon. It is good the girl is showing you around. I always prefer doing that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135055]Okay guys I think I got the hang of it now. Me and the chick I am with (met her at LAC last time) are sitting outside (inside the mall) at Starbucks and she said this is indeed the place. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135493]I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.[/QUOTE]I insist that they accompany me back to the hotel to take a picture with some of their co-workers. Newbies pay attention and remember this story in the same way Mr. E did from recollection of earlier posts. Almost any foreign man who visits Robinson's--or some of the other Manila malls--will experience this scam at some point in time. There are other scams you will experience. They have one thing in common: a total stranger Filipino approaches you and either claims to know you or wants to help you with something. Filipinos are usually helpful when you ask them for directions, but if the Filipino approaches you first, you're probably dealing with a scam. For most of us our mothers taught us to be considerate of strangers and to assume or pretend that their intentions are positive. In these situations in the Philippines you need to fight down that socialization.

I had not personally tested Delbosque's assertions about the BK area. It made sense to me, since the Adriatico entrance is closest to the Ermita clubs where freelancers hang out. But the traditional area between the escalator and Starbucks leaves them much more space to scope out people walking by and move to intercept them for a friendly, "Hello, sir. " Words like that or direct eye contact and a smile are the usual signs. Average Filipinas, non-pros to whom RK refers, will not smile and make contact with foreign men in that way, specifically because they see us old lechers hanging around and figure out what our game is. The p4ps are easily detected in areas like this, but also take a moment to notice all the older foreign men passing through and seeking eye contact with women.

In years past I sometimes saw them sitting at tables on the outskirts of McDonalds and Kenny Rogers on the first floor of the Pedro Gil wing. But those places are long gone.

Another variant of the "I work at your hotel" scam is to wait within eyesight of your hotel entrance. They see you come out of the hotel and wait until you've walked a short distance off. Then they approach you. The "let's go take a photo with your co-workers" response is very useful in these situations.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135570] There are other scams you will experience. They have one thing in common: a total stranger Filipino approaches you and either claims to know you or wants to help you with something. .[/QUOTE]Please explain the scam completely.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2135592]Please explain the scam completely.[/QUOTE]The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies. It starts with a lie like "I work at your hotel. " All he needs is an entrance to getting a conversation going. After he strings you along for awhile, he hits you up with a charity request. It worked on me the first time I encountered it. I had come out of the Boulevard Mansion Hotel, crossed the street, and was strollling around the Baywalk park area. He comes up to me, claims he works at the hotel, and described watching me carry in my luggage a few nights earlier. Then he wants to know where I'm from, like Mr. E's guy. Other questions are feeling me out, like the way p4ps ask you about how long you've been in the Phils, is it your first trip to the Phils, etc. Then my guy points to a couple kids and a woman, saying they're his family, and one of the girls has her birthday today. But he doesn't have enough money for cake and ice cream, and his daughter is really disappointed. A pretty good pitch. It worked. I gave him a few hundred pesos. The wife and kids all nodded toward me and smiled. This particular family looked a little ramshackle, and since he had the whole family with him, it's very likely they neeeded the money. But if my senses had been about me, I should have picked up on his having no teeth on the front of his upper jaw. He claimed to be a doorman, but I should have questioned whether a hotel wants a toothless man to be the guests' first encounter with the hotel. In other cases where I have been hit up with the "I know you" introduction, it has been single men, a little better dressed, and no family nearby. I now always dispatch them pretty directly.

Another typical scam is a guy wants to help you find something. I had one of these in Robinson's hardware at the Ermita mall. I told him I knew what I needed and didn't need help finding it. He tagged along anyway. When I got to the cash register he wanted to help me pay. I suspect his m. o. was a sleight-of-hand in which he ultimately pockets some of my money. I passed on his offer of help, and as I was walking away, suddenly he could find me women for sex. We were a flight of stairs and three blocks from LAC, so I damn sure didn't need help finding women. I read posts in the forum where some guy claims that a helpful cab driver or somebody they met in a bar helped them find the best kept secret treasure trove of women. In my view these are not wise moves. You've ended up paying additional money to a middle man, when all the information you need for getting access to good Pinay p4ps has been posted in this forum. RTFF is a hell of a lot smarter than accepting the help of a Filipino stranger.

Another time I was just turning the corner at Santa Monica and del Pilar in Ermita, probably headed for the Hobbit House. I was walking fairly fast, so this guy had to work to keep up with me. He first complimented the tennies I was wearing, wanted to know where I was from, "oh yeah, my sister's a nurse and she wants to take a job in your state, but I don't know if it's safe," yada, yada, yada. So wherever it was I was headed, he suddenly wanted to help me buy something unnecessary, maybe one of the Hobbit House t-shirts they sold at the entrance. He suggested I might not know their currency very well, so I should hand him my wallet and let him select the right denominations. Oh sure. When I went inside, he took off.

So there may be other scams, but I've experienced these two. Both involve ingratiating themselves with you so you'll drop your guard. In one the pitch is to hit up your compassionate side. The other is built around an attempt at sleight-of-hand. Guys who want to help you at a money changing outlet are particularly lethal.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135629]The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies. It starts with a lie like "I work at your hotel. " All he needs is an entrance to getting a conversation going.....[/QUOTE]There are guys like that in one form or another all over the world. Prior to my knowledge of ISG I sometimes availed myself of their services together with taxi drivers and hotel workers in my pursuit of carnal delights during my travels. The worst I encountered was: "it seems as if girls are all working" whereupon an argument over payment would ensue with the guy complaining bitterly over my last offer given upon my departure. Most of the times I would partake of one of the offerings. Fortunately for me I was never robbed or worse as happened to a friend of mine in Colombia many years ago.

I had to laugh because it is actually sales tactics taught and used in the US. Usually by TV satellite companies that start with a the. You find them all over the place, especially at big box companies. A couple dollars is small price to pay compared to a multiyear contract.

As with Turgid, I have taken their offer, eyes wide open, if I am new to a location. But only from hotel staff or taxi drivers whereby I have a picture of their license and car plates. For them to show me around, I am willing to pay for their time. The good thing is that this is not the Americas or Europe or Eastern Europe where you can really get reamed.

I know several visitors who were cheated. Some were really pissed off until I point out their loses or over payment were usually way under US100.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135629]The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies.

Another typical scam is a guy wants to help you find something. I had one of these in Robinson's hardware at the Ermita mall. I told him I knew what I needed and didn't need help finding it. [/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2135661]There are guys like that in one form or another all over the world. [/QUOTE]Contrary to what some of his supporters on the forum might have you believe, Rodrigo Duterte has not stationed government employees at all the corners to help lead you to the 42 virgins. Here's a nearly universal law: A Filipino stranger who approaches you with offers of help does not really want to help you; he wants some of your money.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135962]Here's a nearly universal law: A Filipino stranger who approaches you with offers of help does not really want to help you; he wants some of your money.[/QUOTE]Agree that there really is no reason for a filipino male to approach me. If I need help then I ask.

Even a filipina that openly approaches me I treat with suspicion. A more subtle approach is treated more generously.

BD.

LOL! Exactly what a WG once told me. I took some friends to LAC and was just playing tour guide so told a girl to go grab my friends' tools and not mine. She said they were not interested in her so wasn't going to approach them.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2136047]Even a filipina that openly approaches me I treat with suspicion. A more subtle approach is treated more generously.

BD.[/QUOTE]

After a nice afternoon with a tinder chick and a late meet up with a girl from badoo I headed to LA Cafe.

Dropped by around midnight last night "Thursday" and there were tons of beautiful ladies. In the past I'the Be pressed to find one. Last night was a smorgasbord, wish I took my time to choose but I hate sticking around for too long and usually pop on the first pretty face that smiles at me. (Shows she's a go getter).

Will be with some young locals at Valkyrie tonight for a birthday party, if I don't score one of them by midnight I look forward to making the trip to LA Cafe.

Here is a Q: Let's say you decide on ST from a girl in LA Cafe but don't want to take her back to Your hotel. I'm assuming there are no on-site facilities, right? A ST hotel next door?

Most FL know where to go. Otherwise, there are several under USD50 family hotels in the area. Same with the Burgos area. If you plan to play, you can check in and use it multiple times. You can tip housekeeping to change sheets in between. Works even with name brand hotels.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2136379]Here is a Q: Let's say you decide on ST from a girl in LA Cafe but don't want to take her back to Your hotel. I'm assuming there are no on-site facilities, right? A ST hotel next door?[/QUOTE]

So dropped by LAC last night at midnight, many ladies like Thursday only two worth propositioning but didn't work out. Ended up with my third choice, not a looker in my books but a decent lay (didn't want to leave empty handed).

I guess for the weekend Fri. / Sat one must get there earlier in the evening.

Midnight is good for a Thursday but maybe 10 pm is better for Fri. / Sat.

I arrived at Terminal 1 and got a Yellow taxi to Makati hotel. We took the skyway and there was no traffic to speak of. Getting on to the skyway I noticed the meter was already past 200. I mentioned he had a fast meter but he said it was working fine. By the time we got to my hotel the meter was 675 pesos. I just patiently got my bags out and got the hotel guys to take my baggage inside then confronted the driver about the meter. I said usual charge was 250 and I would pay him that. He proceeded to argue about it and I dropped my offer down to 150.

Then he said he would take 250 and I told him that it was too late for 250. He argued a bit more and I decided to screw him and walked away. My last words to him was "you tried to screw me and now I am screwing you, you lost today".

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2136469]I said usual charge was 250 and I would pay him that. He proceeded to argue about it and I dropped my offer down to 150.[/QUOTE]LOL. Looks like I wrote that post. When I am the buyer I do not negotiate up, I negotiate down from my original offer.

131 pesos from Ermita to Terminal 3 in an Uber the other morning.

By the way the Yellow taxi was number H-242.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2136379]Here is a Q: Let's say you decide on ST from a girl in LA Cafe but don't want to take her back to Your hotel. I'm assuming there are no on-site facilities, right? A ST hotel next door?[/QUOTE]Why not just take her back to your hotel? Do you expect to have a significant other or business partners with you? This seems like an odd question.

I notice you posted a number of short field reports from Colombia back in 2014, and then nothing in the forum until a lot of short, specific questions on the Philippines and Malaysia boards in January 2018. It might make sense to figure out your general plan--where you want your hotel, what distriict will you hunt, and so on--and then work out the tactics on the ground. For this question your best bet is to ask the girls at LAC. They will know the answer as well or better than anyone on this forum.

Within two and a half blocks are the Boulevard Mansion and Duck Inn. Boulevard is not short-time. Not sure about Duck Inn. You can google them. Maybe others know of other nearby lodging.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2136571]By the way the Yellow taxi was number H-242.[/QUOTE]You've shattered my total trust in yellow cabs. With white city cabs I have sometimes been tempted to call the LTFRB number posted on all the cabs. Has anybody else done that? With what results?

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2136379]Here is a Q: Let's say you decide on ST from a girl in LA Cafe but don't want to take her back to Your hotel. I'm assuming there are no on-site facilities, right? A ST hotel next door?[/QUOTE]Plenty of them in that vicinity. The female nuclear scientists, engineers and brain surgeons who frequent that fine establishment will know where each and every one is. Plenty by Robinsons Mall. Two of Manila's finest brought me to a mansion a few blocks heading away from Malate church (IE the other side of LA Cafe). As we entered, a rat bolted for it from inside. Not the best start of a romantic interlude but banging their little brown bottoms made for a pleasurable afternoon.

Good for you if you have time to argue. By not paying anything, you could get in trouble. He could be in trouble also for overcharging, but the net result is usually the foreigner who pays with time or money. He now knows where you are staying and the kuyas are vengeful. IMHO, better to toss him 150 or 200 and walk away.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2136469]I arrived at Terminal 1 and got a Yellow taxi to Makati hotel. We took the skyway and there was no traffic to speak of. Getting on to the skyway I noticed the meter was already past 200. I mentioned he had a fast meter but he said it was working fine. By the time we got to my hotel the meter was 675 pesos. I just patiently got my bags out and got the hotel guys to take my baggage inside then confronted the driver about the meter. I said usual charge was 250 and I would pay him that. He proceeded to argue about it and I dropped my offer down to 150.

Then he said he would take 250 and I told him that it was too late for 250. He argued a bit more and I decided to screw him and walked away. My last words to him was "you tried to screw me and now I am screwing you, you lost today".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2136379]Here is a Q: Let's say you decide on ST from a girl in LA Cafe but don't want to take her back to Your hotel. I'm assuming there are no on-site facilities, right? A ST hotel next door?[/QUOTE]I didn't bother responding because I thought all the "experts" on LAC would immediately weigh in but there was nothing.

Right next door to LAC is Brickstone Hotel. Literally 1 minute from the LAC door.

Clean and well-appointed rooms, similar to Eurotel. 600 php for 2 hrs during the day. Don't know the night rates.

The girls all know it of course.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2136585]You've shattered my total trust in yellow cabs. With white city cabs I have sometimes been tempted to call the LTFRB number posted on all the cabs. Has anybody else done that? With what results?[/QUOTE]3 months ago I took the Yellow taxi from T1 a Pasay hotel. As he left the airport I reminded him to turn on the meter. He acted like he did but didn't. At the hotel he said the meter must have broke and said 400 for about a 120 pesos fare. I got my bags out and had the hotel people take them inside. I paid him 150 and afterwards realized I was too nice about it. This time I wasn't.

2 times out of 2 trys and I am believing this is standard operating procedure again for Yellow taxis. I suggest we make this our SOP to patiently get your bags out and walk away if this happens to you.

Stopped by around 7:30 last night, (Saturday) not many ladies at that time, maybe 2-3 worth pursuing. Since I was staying in bgc the trip back was putting off the 2 ladies I would have taken. So note to why'all, stay near by for better luck.

Ended up leaving empty handed, was going to call it a night but decided to try Burgos. (Usually not my scene, the bars are too business for me and the street has too many people watching your moves) decided just to see what inside pickle bar looked like. Basically maybe 15 girls all in bad shape, mamasan said 5 k plus. Left right away.

Took a lap up and down the street and a freelancer caught my eye and said Hello, went back to bgc with her.

After Burgos chick left a previous working girl contacted me and met me in bgc.

Great night even though LAC came up short.

Was going to have Burgos chick come back to enjoy the pool, dinner and a lay today but needed to leave town for business.

Til next time.

I'll be in AC tomorrow (Monday) local chick freebie, dinner and a movie with a local (haven't laid yet) and if need be a quick lap in high society for a short time. Wish me luck!

All taxis, especially airport ones, will try to rip you off. If they don't turn on the meter, I have them pull over and I get another one. But meters can be tampered with. I have been leaning towards Uber and Grab types because you get a better idea of the costs. I use contract or hotel services usually just to avoid the hassle after a long flight or trip. The amounts are tiny but it is just the feeling of getting ripped off. I was offered a ride into NYC for USD300 from JFK.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2136847]2 times out of 2 trys and I am believing this is standard operating procedure again for Yellow taxis. I suggest we make this our SOP to patiently get your bags out and walk away if this happens to you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2137045].... I was offered a ride into NYC for USD300 from JFK.[/QUOTE]I just avoid these buggers and take the train. I prefer the hassle of the train to being ripped off. I try to always travel light. If Uber becomes ultra reliable I'll eventually sell my car as its preferable to driving.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2136799]Good for you if you have time to argue. By not paying anything, you could get in trouble. He could be in trouble also for overcharging, but the net result is usually the foreigner who pays with time or money. He now knows where you are staying and the kuyas are vengeful. IMHO, better to toss him 150 or 200 and walk away.[/QUOTE]Great advice and observation! Not paying for services rendered is theft and a criminal offense. The Yellow Cab receipt plainly states the amount for flag fall and the rate thereafter. It is not hard to calculate the fare using the distance of the route to the destination. There are even apps for that. Yelling at the taxi driver, jumping up and down in a rage and running away without paying him a single peso is foolish as it can lead to trouble that will cost much more than the disputed fare to sort out. Here is what happened recently to a fella who tried to run away without paying his taxi fare: [URL]http://www.philstar.com/cebu-news/2017/09/01/1734801/iranian-arrested-failure-pay-over-p2t-taxi-fare[/URL].

Sometimes, it is best to leave the need to "win" at everything back home. Some fellas are more interested in "winning" in the Philippines instead of fucking in the Philippines. The local prisons are full of foreigners who thought they were winning and the Filipinos were losing. High-strung winners should take a dose of Xanax on their flight and a dose of Viagra on arrival to put them in the mood to fuck instead of winning in a country where so many have little left to lose.

Next, some fellas are going decide not to pay the girls anything after fucking them because they wanted more than what the tricks normally pay. It is not going to feel like a win when some fellas show up for their flight home and discover there is a hold-departure order on their immigration record because they stiffed someone for services rendered.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2136585]You've shattered my total trust in yellow cabs. With white city cabs I have sometimes been tempted to call the LTFRB number posted on all the cabs. Has anybody else done that? With what results?[/QUOTE]Lost an iphone in a white cab, had the rego, had the taxi number. Driver was unresponsive. LTFRB did zero.

It's a nice idea to call LTFRB. On the balance of probabilities do you think it would be underfunded, overworked and disorganised? The alternative is to be correctly funded, disciplined and using the latest technology.

I could imagine that an AI app could handled 98% of the LTFRB message but in reality there is going to be a handful of operators mishandling a barrage of messages.

BD.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2137190]Next, some fellas are going decide not to pay the girls anything after fucking them because they wanted more than what the tricks normally pay. It is not going to feel like a win when some fellas show up for their flight home and discover there is a hold-departure order on their immigration record because they stiffed someone for services rendered.[/QUOTE]Why not, you did? Do you remember your post from a few years ago, in which you described picking up two girls on Bugos, fucked them so hard that they ran into the CR crying and bleeding, and then kicked them out without paying? Oh yes, when they asked for taxi fare, you decided they only deserved trike fare. So if there was no hold put on your departure then, why should we believe there will be for us in 2018? Do you know of some changes in laws or enforcement from your back channel access to Philippine authorities? A few months after this particular post from you, another guy reported a Pinay who got really angry when he kept fucking her after she asked him to stop. You pointed out to him that what he had done constituted ra--. Given all the contradictions in your posts the only real unanswered question is, what the hell are you smoking?

[QUOTE=Bushes;2136799]Good for you if you have time to argue. By not paying anything, you could get in trouble. He could be in trouble also for overcharging, but the net result is usually the foreigner who pays with time or money. He now knows where you are staying and the kuyas are vengeful. IMHO, better to toss him 150 or 200 and walk away.[/QUOTE]I am of two minds on this issue.

Tossing him a pittance by our standards saves a lot of hassle, you can walk away for 200 p $US4 or spend time arguing, or spend a lot more if LE gets involved (they need their cut as well you know) or have some hassle later when the guy comes back with his buddies to talk about the issue.

Remember we are in an Asian culture where "face" is important. If someone with nothing else to lose loses "face" then they have nothing else to lose and everything to gain by regaining it, sometimes by violent means.

On the other hand tossing the 200 p just encourages it in the future.

I tend to take the pragmatic short term approach and just toss the extra money so I can walk away from the immediate problem because the long term is a more general issue than one of personal concern. I know it is passing the buck and not solving the bigger problem but even if I have to pay the 200 p several times a week, it is still a better solution than getting into one major hassle. I find as I spend more time here I am better at avoiding the 200 p problems so it is actually getting a little better.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2137224]I tend to take the pragmatic short term approach and just toss the extra money so I can walk away from the immediate problem because the long term is a more general issue than one of personal concern. I know it is passing the buck and not solving the bigger problem but even if I have to pay the 200 p several times a week, it is still a better solution than getting into one major hassle. I find as I spend more time here I am better at avoiding the 200 p problems so it is actually getting a little better.[/QUOTE]I think Reinhold Niebuhr had something useful to say about that. Seems to have application in many aspects of life outside 12-step recovery processes:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

Actually, DG thought the fare should have been P250. So tossing the taxi P150-P200 will still be in DG's favor while making his statement or point. To actually get an estimate is to do an Uber or Grab ride estimate. So DG doesn't lose any money but just actually get less of a discount on his "ride. " 100% discount is not the same as paying a premium to avoid trouble. We are only talking about paying USD4 to avoid trouble or taking USD5 in benefits or services.

Came across an interesting post on the Singapore and Dubai thread on paying real money to avoid trouble.

[URL]hhttp://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1013-General-Info&p=2136680&viewfull=1#post2136680[/URL]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2137224]I am of two minds on this issue.

Tossing him a pittance by our standards saves a lot of hassle, you can walk away for 200 p $US4 or spend time arguing, or spend a lot more if LE gets involved (they need their cut as well you know) or have some hassle later when the guy comes back with his buddies to talk about the issue.

Remember we are in an Asian culture where "face" is important. If someone with nothing else to lose loses "face" then they have nothing else to lose and everything to gain by regaining it, sometimes by violent means.

On the other hand tossing the 200 p just encourages it in the future..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2137045]All taxis, especially airport ones, will try to rip you off. [/QUOTE]Not at all true Bushes as has been repeated time and again on this thread by those of us who live here and use taxis ALL the time.

It's funny how we can go for 2 or 3 weeks or even 1 month on ISG without taxi stories at all and then suddenly we get a break-out of them.

You can be ripped off by taxis all over the world if you are not prepared for it. My good experiences with taxis is probably due to being proactive and aware of the scams (in Phils, Laos, Thailand and Mongolia). Although I don't agree with Bushes generalization (as shown above) I do agree with him that if the meter is not set at the start of the trip, get out and get another cab. Don't wait until he is 5 minutes into the trip.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2137255]Not at all true Bushes as has been repeated time and again on this thread by those of us who live here and use taxis ALL the time.

It's funny how we can go for 2 or 3 weeks or even 1 month on ISG without taxi stories at all and then suddenly we get a break-out of them.

You can be ripped off by taxis all over the world if you are not prepared for it. My good experiences with taxis is probably due to being proactive and aware of the scams (in Phils, Laos, Thailand and Mongolia). Although I don't agree with Bushes generalization (as shown above) I do agree with him that if the meter is not set at the start of the trip, get out and get another cab. Don't wait until he is 5 minutes into the trip.[/QUOTE]Agreed as I use the white ones from T3 and never been ripped off ever. I have never had issues in Cebu ever. In Manila yes a few times but asking to put the meter on or return to the hotel and ask to find another taxi works wonders.

I have has as much or more trouble in other parts of the world such as Africa and NYC.

Proactive in the sense of telling the taxi driver the route to take is a way to let him know you are not a tourist. As in, don't xxxx with me. That and being aware of the scams, whether meters or faking amount of money handed over and the list goes on. Seen them all.

The meter and routing is key in the beginning and sets the stage. I am sometimes busy or preoccupied or tired and forget the routing in a known place and find the taxi going the long way. Usually I catch it and pay USD1 more but it eats at my pride. If I know the route and costs and the meter appears fast, I ask them to pull over and get another taxi; unless it is pouring rain, a typhoon, or steaming hot. But, as you would say, isn't that always?

For visitors, I always give them my address and suggested directions in English and the local language. Usually works but not always. Had a seasoned traveler who did need help but ask what the usual fare was to my place from the airport. He had paid 50% more and it ruined his week. I was like, it is only USD4 and you got to see some of the cities main attractions again.

It does not happen often, but I have had Uber email me and say my trip was too long and offer a future discount. I almost had a heart attack.

Maybe because of my age and forgetting to set the stage properly when getting into a taxi, I am having long routes and bill switches quite often in known locations. About once a month for the former and once a year for the latter.

Next time you take a taxi, pretend to be in an intense phone call in English and just give the cabbie a building or street address. See what the cabbie does. Make the corrections when he deviates but you will find that pretending to be a newbie tourist does tempt a lot of cabbies.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2137255]Not at all true Bushes as has been repeated time and again on this thread by those of us who live here and use taxis ALL the time.

It's funny how we can go for 2 or 3 weeks or even 1 month on ISG without taxi stories at all and then suddenly we get a break-out of them.

You can be ripped off by taxis all over the world if you are not prepared for it. My good experiences with taxis is probably due to being proactive and aware of the scams (in Phils, Laos, Thailand and Mongolia). Although I don't agree with Bushes generalization (as shown above) I do agree with him that if the meter is not set at the start of the trip, get out and get another cab. Don't wait until he is 5 minutes into the trip.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2137224]I am of two minds on this issue.

Tossing him a pittance by our standards saves a lot of hassle, you can walk away for 200 p $US4 or spend time arguing, or spend a lot more if LE gets involved (they need their cut as well you know) or have some hassle later when the guy comes back with his buddies to talk about the issue.

Remember we are in an Asian culture where "face" is important. If someone with nothing else to lose loses "face" then they have nothing else to lose and everything to gain by regaining it, sometimes by violent means.

On the other hand tossing the 200 p just encourages it in the future.

I tend to take the pragmatic short term approach and just toss the extra money so I can walk away from the immediate problem because the long term is a more general issue than one of personal concern. I know it is passing the buck and not solving the bigger problem but even if I have to pay the 200 p several times a week, it is still a better solution than getting into one major hassle. I find as I spend more time here I am better at avoiding the 200 p problems so it is actually getting a little better.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. It is not worth it to get in to a hassle for 200 pesos. I was just reporting the actual events and in no way am I telling anyone else to do the same.

Thanks for the actual experience replies. All others are just academic book learning and or hearsay.

I am only saying from my last 2 T1 Yellow taxi experiences that they were trying to rip me off again.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2137255]Not at all true Bushes as has been repeated time and again on this thread by those of us who live here and use taxis ALL the time.

You can be ripped off by taxis all over the world if you are not prepared for it. My good experiences with taxis is probably due to being proactive and aware of the scams (in Phils, Laos, Thailand and Mongolia). Although I don't agree with Bushes generalization (as shown above) I do agree with him that if the meter is not set at the start of the trip, get out and get another cab. Don't wait until he is 5 minutes into the trip.[/QUOTE]Concur. Its rare that a driver pulls that no-meter trick, but it does happen sometime. You can refuse and step out, or if already underway he is required to take you back to your origin (if he won't, just step out at the next light or traffic stoppage). Lesson learned long ago: When traveling to / from the airport, make sure that your main luggage ends up in the back seat, not the trunk. If you must step out of the taxi, its much easier to get at your luggage in the cabin of the car than in the trunk.

I think the presence of Uber / Grab has made the metered guys more honest.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2137291]Lesson learned long ago: When traveling to / from the airport, make sure that your main luggage ends up in the back seat, not the trunk. If you must step out of the taxi, its much easier to get at your luggage in the cabin of the car than in the trunk.

I think the presence of Uber / Grab has made the metered guys more honest.[/QUOTE]Good reminder WC.

I always put my bag in the back seat for that reason; I can get out when I want.

There is also the story reported some time back about a returning OFW who got out of the taxi at her destination and the driver sped off with her bags and pasalubong. He calculated that her stuff was worth more to him than the paltry fare that he missed getting. High risk if the OFW was able to get the cab registration and the story might be apocryphal of course but it made me think.

Certainly the Grab and Uber guys have changed the game a bit, especially around Makati and Ortigas where people are likely to have Uber / Grab contacts. Probably not so much around Malate / Ermita / Binondo but this is just an opinion from a regular taxi user.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2137318]I always put my bag in the back seat for that reason; I can get out when I want.

There is also the story reported some time back about a returning OFW who got out of the taxi at her destination and the driver sped off with her bags and pasalubong. He calculated that her stuff was worth more to him than the paltry fare that he missed getting. High risk if the OFW was able to get the cab registration and the story might be apocryphal of course but it made me think.[/QUOTE]Related story from Jakarta. I went to a disco one evening about 11 pm to check out the FL, but didn't see any eye candy worth approaching. I left after one drink and jumped in the first taxi at the street (they were lined up). I mentioned the hotel name and off we went. At light traffic it should have been 6-8 minutes ride. Halfway thru I looked up from my phone and saw the meter was off and we were in the wrong part of town. I mentioned the meter to the driver, and at the next alleyway he turned (rather harshly) into the alley (crappy area) and drove a hundred meters down the alley and pulled over. He mentioned an exorbitant price to take me to the hotel (about $25). No, thanks guy, just take me back to the disco. "Get out". I looked around, it was very dark and a crappy place. A perfect place to drop off a bule to get rolled. No, thanks, not getting out. I continued to read on my phone. A minute later he told me to get out again. We sat for a good 3-4 minutes in silence, and finally he sped off. About halfway to my hotel he again pulled over the taxi and told me to get out (this time on a busy street). No, thanks. I told him that if he took me to the hotel I would pay him something, and if he took me to the disco that there was no money. I kept reading. Another 2 minutes of silence and he sped off, this time to my hotel (always appreciate your door security), driving too fast and swerving on purpose. When we pulled up he asked the exorbitant price again. I got out without paying and told the security guy who opened my door what the driver was asking. The driver and security guy argued and the security guy laughed, then asked me to give the driver the equivalent of $4 USD. Sure! Lesson learned: If you don't exit the vehicle, he cannot possibly get another paying customer.

Landed at Terminal 2 this AM. Philippine Airlines now gives every passenger a free Globe SIM card that you can put into your phone as you sit in the airplane! Nice touch.

Found a stray white taxi outside, negotiated 400 (down from 500) to Chinatown. The suitcase went into the back seat (great tip to propogate, never put it into the trunk). 400 php is a bit high but who gives a damn. It would have been nice if the driver just shut the f* up and didn't think he was a damn travel guide. Shut up and drive!

Getting the phone unlocked this morning, but had time to get a SW off of Rizal Ave, 21 years old, has 3 year old daughter, cute girl, from Rizal province who came into town to working girl herself out. Paid 1000, went to a ST hotel nearby for 160/ HR. Lame service though, she refused to give me a BJ or let me suck her nipples. Good to get the first release of the trip out of my system though!

I have 2 old standbys coming over soon. The repeat girls are so much fun!

Unlike some on this forum, I like repeats.

[QUOTE=Free2;2137680]I have 2 old standbys coming over soon. The repeat girls are so much fun![/QUOTE]
Some drivers will not let you put a large suitcase or box in the back seat. One excuse that worked for me is that if the trunk cannot close, I tell them it is too risky to have the trunk tired down and open on the streets of Manila. I often use the front passenger seat belt to strap a bag down.

Like the OFW, many who have nothing or little also get ripped off. The OFWs are prime targets at the airports. Some get in late at night and have to wait to get to a bus or ferry terminal in the morning.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2137318]I always put my bag in the back seat for that reason; I can get out when I want.

There is also the story reported some time back about a returning OFW who got out of the taxi at her destination and the driver sped off with her bags and pasalubong. He calculated that her stuff was worth more to him than the paltry fare that he missed getting. High risk if the OFW was able to get the cab registration and the story might be apocryphal of course but it made me think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2137810]

Like the OFW, many who have nothing or little also get ripped off. The OFWs are prime targets at the airports. Some get in late at night and have to wait to get to a bus or ferry terminal in the morning.[/QUOTE]That's the reason why the yellow airport cabs were introduced some years ago and the regular white metered cabs were banned from the airports. There was a spate of organized robberies of returning OFWs and visiting Koreans with lots of bags. The driver would take a "wrong" turn into a deserted area where his accomplices were waiting to offload all the spoils and terrorize the arrivals. I recall that on one occasion they torched the cab to make it look like the driver was a victim too.

It occurred so often that the regular cabs were banned and the yellow cabs were introduced so that theoretically, the authorities had a record of every departure.

I must say in all my years of using the yellow cabs I have NEVER had one try to rip me off (and I live here), either through fast meter or any other scam. It is high risk because you can call up the number on your receipt and speak to an operator. I had one driver ask me if I would call up the number and tell them how good his service had been, so someone must be taking notes at the other end.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2137810]Unlike some on this forum, I like repeats.[/QUOTE]I have my share.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2137810]Some drivers will not let you put a large suitcase or box in the back seat.[/QUOTE]Nnnnnneeeeexxxxxttttt taxi!

RK, try this on the yellow and street taxis, just for your amusement. Or take a taxi right outside a bar / disco.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2137277]Next time you take a taxi, pretend to be in an intense phone call in English and just give the cabbie a building or street address. See what the cabbie does. Make the corrections when he deviates but you will find that pretending to be a newbie tourist does tempt a lot of cabbies.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RedKilt;2138185]I must say in all my years of using the yellow cabs I have NEVER had one try to rip me off (and I live here), either through fast meter or any other scam. It is high risk because you can call up the number on your receipt and speak to an operator. I had one driver ask me if I would call up the number and tell them how good his service had been, so someone must be taking notes at the other end.[/QUOTE]

I text the oversight agency on the back of the slip of paper you get when you get the yellow taxi. To my surprise they responded within a few minutes. They asked for the receipt slip number and license plate of the taxi. I had texted earlier the date, time and details of the incident. I also reported the other incident months earlier but did not have the slip number nor the license plate.

Please keep the details, license plate number and other facts to make your reports.

BTW, I used the rates on the slip 70 drop charge and 4 pesos per 300 meters and calculated my rate would have been less than 200 pesos.

This whole debate has served to remind me of why, when arriving in Manila, I invariably use the coupon taxis: never a hassle over rates or meters as they're all posted. In my 17 years of taking these taxis I've never had a problem.

For various reasons, I usually use contract services through travel agencies or hotel transport arrangements. It is more expensive but it is not always on my dime.

I will add some of the taxis drivers are actually smart in that they suggest a route. It might be the long route but a newbie tourist would not know. Their defense will be the passenger agreed to the route.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2138504]This whole debate has served to remind me of why, when arriving in Manila, I invariably use the coupon taxis: never a hassle over rates or meters as they're all posted. In my 17 years of taking these taxis I've never had a problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2138504]This whole debate has served to remind me of why, when arriving in Manila, I invariably use the coupon taxis: never a hassle over rates or meters as they're all posted. In my 17 years of taking these taxis I've never had a problem.[/QUOTE]I do the same never take yellow from T3 only white and the rate is fixed to Makati plus I pay Skyway and never a hassle. I know the route also. In Cebu at Mactan the same.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2138504]This whole debate has served to remind me of why, when arriving in Manila, I invariably use the coupon taxis[/QUOTE]I'm finally coming round to this myself. I've always liked getting into a regular cab and finding that the guy is honest. And in a funny way I even enjoy it in the rare case (maybe once every 20 or 30 rides these days) when the guy tries something, whether subtle or obvious. Especially now with the LTFRB, you're not going to end up paying more than you should, and you may even get a free ride. I've had a couple. But all in all, it's time and energy better devoted to other things. So yes, I say get the coupon cab, pay the price, and enjoy the guarantee of absolutely no bullshit.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2138504]This whole debate has served to remind me of why, when arriving in Manila, I invariably use the coupon taxis: never a hassle over rates or meters as they're all posted. In my 17 years of taking these taxis I've never had a problem.[/QUOTE]I thought you were a die-hard Uber fan GE judging by your posts last year. I am pleased to learn that you do actually tolerate the other taxi services.

As I have said several times here on ISG, I prefer to keep an open mind until I emerge from the terminal to see what the lines are like.

In 5 arrivals in 2017 at NAIA T1 I had instant connection with the Yellow cabs (no one ahead of me), so why would I choose to pay an extra 200 to 300 php to a coupon taxi when the yellow cab is sitting there.

Similarly for 3 arrivals at T3 in 2018, I have used the yellow taxis twice and the coupon taxis once (because the yellow cab lines were long).

As I said, play it by ear. If both coupon and yellow lines are long, then go to Grab or Uber as 3rd option.

There are no hard and fast rules.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2138669]I thought you were a die-hard Uber fan GE judging by your posts last year. I am pleased to learn that you do actually tolerate the other taxi services.

As I have said several times here on ISG, I prefer to keep an open mind until I emerge from the terminal to see what the lines are like.

In 5 arrivals in 2017 at NAIA T1 I had instant connection with the Yellow cabs (no one ahead of me), so why would I choose to pay an extra 200 to 300 php to a coupon taxi when the yellow cab is sitting there.

Similarly for 3 arrivals at T3 in 2018, I have used the yellow taxis twice and the coupon taxis once (because the yellow cab lines were long).

As I said, play it by ear. If both coupon and yellow lines are long, then go to Grab or Uber as 3rd option.

There are no hard and fast rules.[/QUOTE]I'm an Uber fan when in the city. But from the airport to the hotel, I use the coupon taxis because there's no waiting, and no ambiguity about the fare.

Hanging out around Makati, decided the bars were a waste of money. I remember there being several semi-decent "fishbowl" type massage places in Manila. Are there any close to Makati P. Burgos region?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2138504]This whole debate has served to remind me of why, when arriving in Manila, I invariably use the coupon taxis: never a hassle over rates or meters as they're all posted. In my 17 years of taking these taxis I've never had a problem.[/QUOTE]I can understand why you are using the coupon taxis but OTOH: isn't it odd that you have to pay almost double prices just to avoid being hassled?
I mean, it's almost like saying to a driver beforehand: I pay you double because if I don't you will try to rip me off for the same amount anyway.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2139112]I can understand why you are using the coupon taxis but OTOH: isn't it odd that you have to pay almost double prices just to avoid being hassled?
I mean, it's almost like saying to a driver beforehand: I pay you double because if I don't you will try to rip me off for the same amount anyway.[/QUOTE]I never see it that way. For me is cheap so why quibble over say $5? Seems an odd approach given many pay a lot to get to the country and then boast about saving less than $5.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2139112]I can understand why you are using the coupon taxis but OTOH: isn't it odd that you have to pay almost double prices just to avoid being hassled?
I mean, it's almost like saying to a driver beforehand: I pay you double because if I don't you will try to rip me off for the same amount anyway.[/QUOTE]That's close, but not always correct. Sometimes I take the coupon taxi because its closer, I don't have to bother checking if there are white or yellow taxis in queue, and its usually a larger SUV-type vehicle that I have to myself. Usually: recently at NAIA just as I emerged into the taxi area, a tout hollered a price for the higher-priced coupon taxi and I bit. He led me to a nice-looking large sedan and opened the back door, but there were already 2 other gents in the car waiting (it appeared to be a car-pool). I said no thanks. The tout led me back to an empty SUV, I confirmed the same price for the SUV and away I went. You see it, right? You can even get ripped off by the coupon touts. Its a ripoff because who would car-pool for $15 when you can have your own for $15? I pay the higher price for the coupon SUV because I don't want any of the hassles. Yes its nice to be able to say my white taxi cost only p180 to my hotel, but paying $15 to get me to my hotel quickly, quietly, and safely (and knowing exact price in advance) in the SUV is spit after a 15-hour nonstop.

Paying more for better service (or less-hassled service) is not new.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2139112]I can understand why you are using the coupon taxis but OTOH: isn't it odd that you have to pay almost double prices just to avoid being hassled?
I mean, it's almost like saying to a driver beforehand: I pay you double because if I don't you will try to rip me off for the same amount anyway.[/QUOTE]I am not as picky as some of the other guys. I would just assume riding to the hotel in a wooden cart pulled by a donkey.

Out of all the times I have been to PI only twice has a taxi tried to rip me off. Both were yellow taxis leaving the airport. Thanks to RTFF as well as being on that route before, I knew what the price should be. And I don't mind arguing with them. It actually spices up my day.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2139149]
Paying more for better service (or less-hassled service) is not new.[/QUOTE]True. But in this case the service should be the same and pretty simple: driving you from A to be in a car via the fastest way without any hassle.
The SUV doesn't justify the double price compared to the 'normal' taxi's that are quite comfortable as well. Not for me anyway.

[QUOTE=CasperStake;2139083]Hanging out around Makati, decided the bars were a waste of money. I remember there being several semi-decent "fishbowl" type massage places in Manila. Are there any close to Makati P. Burgos region?[/QUOTE]Essere Spa.

Nara spa.

Native Palm Spa.

Just to name a few, all in Makati.

[QUOTE=CasperStake;2139083]Hanging out around Makati, decided the bars were a waste of money. I remember there being several semi-decent "fishbowl" type massage places in Manila. Are there any close to Makati P. Burgos region?[/QUOTE]You can check [URL]manilatonight.com[/URL] (some outdated but still might have a good previ of info).

As far as "fishbowl" spa, there just lineups.

The last "fishbowl" spa that I remember and still current is by the airport in paranaque flight 168.

Been in Manila since Tuesday. Took 1 of my regulars, her 3 month old baby, her sister, a friend and the mother to the hot springs in Laguna for a day trip. Lots of fun. Rented a room so I had private time with and when I wanted! (not the mom though). LOL.

5500 private driver from 7 am - 6 pm, including gas, tolls the works. Can't beat that. Well, maybe YOU can but I don't give a damn. Chauffered service while I fondle the girls in the back seat or sleep is fine with me.

Its great having Rizal Ave close by. When I want an immediate release, there is always a LBFM available (SW) ready to please. They ask for 1000ST. I give it to them. They sometimes ask for something (300 php) for the mamasan, some don't. Kamagong hotel is great for 1 - 2 HR stays. Some girls look real skanky, some are drugged out, I ignored those because I was always able to find (surprisingly) a normal, clean LOOKING girl who may as well have been picked up from SKOUT or something.

One night I got the tricycle driver to slowly prowl the 2 sides of Rizal Ave while I kept an eye out for a SW. I saw a slightly chubby (but not fat) 24 year old who looked sweet and very nicely dressed. After negotiating the mamasan down from 1500 to 1000ST, we start heading to the trike to go back to my hotel (not to Kamagong). Damn the mamasan wants to accompany the girl (which I hate).

When we get back to the tricycle, I see a skinny (like 80 lbs skinny) , roughly 21 year old girl standing right by the tricycle. I switch gears fast, offer her 1000ST, and tell her to get into the tricycle. The mamasan starts arguing with me, but I wave her off and tell the driver to go immediately. Without ID, the hotel guard just made her write her name and sign and all was good. Another time, a girl I brought (a regular) who had no ID, the guards just took a photo of her upon leaving to make them happy! No girl has ever been refused entry.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2139162]I am not as picky as some of the other guys. I would just assume riding to the hotel in a wooden cart pulled by a donkey.

SNIP[/QUOTE]Surely you'd have to pay extra for the "special" service.

Once I was switching hotels in Malate / Ermita area. While trying to get a taxi one of the pedicabs pulled up. He put the suitcase on the roof. A block later a car suddenly stopped in front of us. Pedicab driver had to quickly stop and the suitcase slid off and hit the back of the car. The driver of the car was a bit irate. No damage to car, nor suitcase. Another Manila adventure!

Great to pay a visit to LA Cafe around 6 pm yesterday. The cattle herd was abundant, lots of older herefords, but a nice number of younger, slim and very doable calves.

You got to love this place! I love the feeling that I am in the presence of debauchery. A mongers paradise. The waitresses are fun, especially the one behind the counter. 2 girls 'joined' me and I was whatever, go ahead and sit beside me. I get my food and when I am full and done, I offer the leftovers to them. They readily agree. After a while they ask for a drink. I say; "I bought you food, you can buy your own drink! Well, the waitress behind the counter heard me and laughed her ass off! The girls were embarrassed, but in true pinay fashion they don't get the point and keep asking. Ok, 1 coke. I wasn't planning to take either of them home, they were trying for me to take both for 3 k total. I ended up taking Samantha, 25, super skinny, (43 kg, stood on the scale in the hotel room). We walked back to the hotel, bought some SM Light (horsepiss) and she got a little tipsy on that which made her quite compliable. This one also decided on a cell phone as a gift instead of cash (said 1500), but she said she needed to go back to the bar for another client because a phone is nice but it doesn't buy you milk for your 2 year old son! I paid 2500 php for the phone on the street. Hey, BTW, I still have 1 more phone to give away for anybody wondering!

The food is surprisingly good at LA Cafe, I must say. Watch the little slips of paper though, not a big deal at all, but my waitress put down 95 php for the mug of draft when the menu says 90. She corrected it. I don't give a damn about 5 php but I don't want any of my fellow mongers or myself to be cheated!!

Sometimes LAC can feel the most grotty dispiriting s*hole on the planet and other times like you say (even on the same day) it feels like it should be granted World Heritage status by UNESCO. They have food? I usually graze at the shawarma place just down the road.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;2141951]Sometimes LAC can feel the most grotty dispiriting s*hole on the planet and other times like you say (even on the same day) it feels like it should be granted World Heritage status by UNESCO. They have food? I usually graze at the shawarma place just down the road.[/QUOTE]Take a stroll upstairs at night.

The candy is a little better upstairs (but it comes with a bit more attitude).

But it is easier to enjoy your meal and drink upstairs.

Can someone update me about current price tags in Manila for bar girls, massage places and freelancer girls? I read many many pages in Manila and AC forums but didn't see what I was looking for. Or at least no in details. When I speak about current prices, I mean no bargains, just what the girl usually asks for a normal looking girl.

Few months ago I was at Pattaya and I found two type of "establishments" and one other way to have some fun.

1. Regular massage parlours with fish bowls. You enter, pick the girl then go to a good looking room, do your thing. But no nuru massage, just normal massage or bath thing. Is there nuru massage at Manila? And what the parlour will charge you?

2. I had a lof of fun at Soi 6 where there is a row of maybe 30-40 bars one next to another full of girls. You walk on the street, look at the girls, then pick one, have a drink if you want or just go upstairs and enjoy her asian body. Is there anything like that in Manila and for what price? In Pattaya it was 1300 bahts (around 35 euro) without the tip and drinks but I guess in Manilla you have to spend a little bit more.

3. Freelancer girls wanted 1200 - 2000 bahts short time (30-50 euro) depending of the girl and her abilities. What is the regular price in Manila.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2141955]Take a stroll upstairs at night.[/QUOTE]Or, take a break for 45 minutes or an hour. Go get some food at the shawarma place or some heavy, poor imitation European or Yankee food at G-Point. There are other cuisine options on the parallel streets, Mabini and Adriatico, and in Robinson's Place Mall. (I think it closes at 9pm.) G-Point has large portions, you won't be able to finish it, so take it out in a styrofoam box and give it so some begging kid along the street on your return to LAC. You will get back to LAC to discover that the scenery has changed, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Plus, you'll be feeling good about yourself for handing the food to the poor kid, and your glowing attitude makes all the girls look prettier. Keep in mind that the "all the girls look prettier at closing time" dynamic does not occur at LAC, because they never close. You have to create your own placebo effect. Also, the fact that you're now smiling probably doesn't hurt in getting women to approach you.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2141955]The candy is a little better upstairs (but it comes with a bit more attitude).[/QUOTE]And often a higher price.

Was at G-Point last night. What a geriatrics special! All old white dudes, many with hearing aids. The woman are all over 40. Nothing wrong with either, but if you fit this description, this bar is for you. Waited 45 minutes for my food order and when I couldn't take it anymore, I paid for my beers and left for Yellow Cab pizza.

[QUOTE=Free2;2142578]Was at G-Point last night. What a geriatrics special! All old white dudes, many with hearing aids. The woman are all over 40. Nothing wrong with either, but if you fit this description, this bar is for you. Waited 45 minutes for my food order and when I couldn't take it anymore, I paid for my beers and left for Yellow Cab pizza.[/QUOTE]Same deal at the end of last month. I paid for my 1 drink then headed off to LAC. They had the most uncomfortable barstools ever in history in G-Point. That is half the reason I left. The seat is tall as all get out and you have to be either a giant or a midget to put your foot on one of the cross bars.

[QUOTE=Free2;2142578]I paid for my beers and left for Yellow Cab pizza.[/QUOTE]I like the pizza at Yellow cab and some of their other dishes. My only gripe with them is that they serve calzone (decent stuff) but without marinara sauce over the top. So the only moisture is inside and, for me, this just leaves it a little dry. I have had calzone in the states, Canada, Germany and France, and they all served it with marinara sauce. It has been about 50 years since I've been to Italy, so I don't remember whether they serve it with sauce.

Anyway, I have asked at numerous Yellow Cabs on numerous occasions whether I could get some warm sauce over the top of the calzone. It shouldn't be any big deal; just heat up a little side cup of pizza sauce or any of the other tomato sauces they use regularly. But they always insist they can't do it--not we don't know how to do it, but CAN'T do it. "Why not"? "Sorry sir, it's not on our menu. " I point out that in many Western countries it's served that way. "Sorry sir. " I offer to pay extra for the sauce. "Sorry sir, it's not on our menu. " I tried their calzone a couple times, couldn't coax any sauce from them, and so in subsequent visits always asked before ordering whether I could get sauce over the top. The answer is always the same, "we don't serve it that way," and so I order something else. I have had both calzone and stromboli at Sbarro's and other Italian places in the Phils, and getting a little marinara sauce over the top was never a problem.

Finally this past November I visited a Yellow Cab on Taft Avenue just north of Pablo Ocampo. My squeeze, her kids, and some friends were with me. Surprise, the manager, probably about 20 or 21, is a friend of squeeze's oldest boy. So I posed my question. "No problem, sir, we can do that. " The sauce came out nice and warm, served in a little plastic cup that some places use for serving gravy. The calzone with marinara sauce was great, and some other extras ended up on the table at no cost to us.

Okay, so this is a silly leave peeve, but satisfaction is underrated. It has brought back many cats that died from their curiosity. Free, next time you go to Yellow Cab, please consider helping out my cause with an inquiry about marinara sauce over the calzone. Thanks; I have it on good authority that you'll be going straight to Heaven.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2075385]My last night in Manila and I headed over to Cafe Havana. My Grab car (what a great service!) dropped me off at Greenbelt 3, headed across the mall, and found it right away, near Starbucks just as described. I was there at 8:30 pm and had some dinner. Quite good food. And had a couple of beer before the ladies started arriving. I wanted to make it an early night, so I didn't wait too long before a gorgeous girl sat at the next table. A smile and brief chat later we headed back to my hotel. Gretel was 24 and was very pretty with bleached blonde hair and a tight petite body (I would rate her an 8). I was worried she was too pretty for good service, but she seemed very friendly, and she ended up being excellent. DFK, lots of positions (my fave being doggie) and a top-ten BBBJ. The only minor downside was that she didn't like DATY. I was really happy with her. I found the girls at Havana to be prettier than LA Cafe for sure, but the prices are also higher. I ended up giving her 4000 for a quality ST.

Really appreciate all the good info from this forum. Hope to back again some time.[/QUOTE]That's quite an unfortunate name. Gretel.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2143955]That's quite an unfortunate name. Gretel.[/QUOTE]Better than Hansel, though.

When I arrived a couple weeks ago and I first saw one of my most reliable repeats, the first thing she does is show me a picture of her baby that looks quite new. I am surprised, she didn't tell me that she got preggy or anything. His eyes look a little slanted (not pinoy style, some other asian style), but a cute little guy born into this s*hole. First thing I am curious about is obviously, who is the daddy!? Yes, the baby is 3 months old now and I saw her a year ago. Mmmmmm. She has that down to a science. She tells me that we apparently had consensual relations Feb. 24/17. But just before that, on Feb. 21/17, she met her current pinoy BF (and banged for the first time) and they are still living together on again / off again. Is he the daddy, because the kid sure does not look white whatsoever. She says no, she does not think her BF is the daddy, because on Feb. 18/17, she and a friend went to some casino in Ermita and got picked up by a Japanese man who paid them 7000 EACH! She thinks her kid is from the Japan man! Hahahaha!! She has never told her BF and he thinks it is his kid. I saw him affectionately holding this Japanese baby with super slanted eyes. I am worried about when the kid grows up a little more and the gig will be up. It did boost my ego when she told me "I am soooo disappointed that it is not your baby!". (Yeah I am relieved also, my dear).

So, Mr. Rich Jap Man! You got a kid in Tondo. Send the mom 1500/ month could you, please? Send me the cash and I will make sure it gets to her (not that she asked for it) because you owe it to her! LOL.

Anybody know of a massage parlor close to terminal 3 of MNL? Last time I wanted a quick relief before a flight I discovered Flight 168 / Starfleet were estimated to be an hour away (heavy traffic) and I won't have that much time. Thanks.

Going to Manila this weekend. Have a date for Friday night and Saturday night might be crazy. Girl agreed to go out to a bar to help pick up other people for group sex. No money discussed yet but sure that's coming at some point. Sure beats Burgos from what I'm reading (first time there).

Hi seniors.

Coming first tym to manila for fun.

Can you guide how to go abour.

Bars, pubs, independents etc.

Awaiting response thanks guys.

[QUOTE=HotStud251;2145951]Hi seniors.

Coming first tym to manila for fun.

Can you guide how to go abour.

Bars, pubs, independents etc.

Awaiting response thanks guys.[/QUOTE]There is so much material on the Philippines board that a RTFF would give you a clue. When I first came to Manila years ago I did just that and fund lots of great information that I have built on. Why ask this question when RTFF is easy and 10-20 minutes wold give you so much info? I see you posted in India a lot where there are so many 'manager's (as called on the UAE forum) who just throw out questions asking for info / digits / contacts without contributing much.

Try RTFF first, see what you find, maybe ask clarifying questions via PM and then FR lots about your first time as things have changed since my first time.

This has to be one of the better forums for information to get answers to your general 'FR'.

Absolutely incredible. If you can read, Stud, go back several pages.

[QUOTE=HotStud251;2145951]Hi seniors.

Coming first tym to manila for fun.

Can you guide how to go abour.

Bars, pubs, independents etc.

Awaiting response thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotStud251;2145951]Hi seniors.

Coming first tym to manila for fun.

Can you guide how to go abour.

Bars, pubs, independents etc.

Awaiting response thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I know everyone is going to say RTFF.

And yes it is absolutely true, the knowledge you get is infinite, however you could spend days reading page after page.

So I suggest you ask a very specific question and see if you get a quick response, not something general, or asking for output without input.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2145913]Going to Manila this weekend. Have a date for Friday night and Saturday night might be crazy. Girl agreed to go out to a bar to help pick up other people for group sex. No money discussed yet but sure that's coming at some point. Sure beats Burgos from what I'm reading (first time there).[/QUOTE]Make sure to have backup plans. Lots are no shows, change mind or totally not acceptable (some even LBs).

Expect everyone to be late and not close to on time.

3 backups is what I usually go with.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2146152]Make sure to have backup plans. Lots are no shows, change mind or totally not acceptable (some even LBs).

Expect everyone to be late and not close to on time.

3 backups is what I usually go with.[/QUOTE]I told her 7 pm, hoping she's there by 9.

If that doesn't work then I have another girl that I already asked to meet me at a nearby hotel bar.

If that doesn't work then I just go to LA Cafe or something for a sure thing.

What I'd really like is to meet one of the girls and then in a couple weeks take her to Boracay or somewhere.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2146182]What I'd really like is to meet one of the girls and then in a couple weeks take her to Boracay or somewhere.[/QUOTE]Until you meet one of the girls and realize you wouldn't even want to take them 2 blocks to the closest Jolibee.

USAinEurope, that has been my goal as well. For the last 5 years, (12-15 visits). Hope springs eternal.

There have been several Western studies about families with children not having a genetic contribution from the father. It is not as rare as one would think.

I was asked to leave a deposit because the girl was having trouble getting knocked up despite the couple being checked out by the doctor. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Free2;2144708] She has never told her BF and he thinks it is his kid. I saw him affectionately holding this Japanese baby with super slanted eyes. I am worried about when the kid grows up a little more and the gig will be up. It did boost my ego when she told me "I am soooo disappointed that it is not your baby!". (Yeah I am relieved also, my dear).

So, Mr. Rich Jap Man! You got a kid in Tondo. Send the mom 1500/ month could you, please? Send me the cash and I will make sure it gets to her (not that she asked for it) because you owe it to her! LOL.[/QUOTE]

I am in a hotel in Pasay. Looking for some genuine contacts for short time. Is it safe to have them in the room? Please give me some pointers.

So I've RTTF and have my gameplan for late arrival on Friday and Saturday date options with LA Club freelance fallback.

Sunday I don't leave until late in the afternoon and won't have a room anymore. I don't want a massage HJ. What are the best Sunday (church, ugh) morning / early afternoon on-site sex options prior to leaving?

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2146654]So I've RTTF and have my gameplan for late arrival on Friday and Saturday date options with LA Club freelance fallback.

Sunday I don't leave until late in the afternoon and won't have a room anymore. I don't want a massage HJ. What are the best Sunday (church, ugh) morning / early afternoon on-site sex options prior to leaving?[/QUOTE]Get a girl Saturday night for LT, and offer her extra to stay until 2 pm.

This doesn't answer your question, but you should also consider asking for a late checkout. Also, the Eurotel on Pedro Gil (south side of Robinson's mall) has hourly rates. I guess this would work best if you find a "keeper" as Westy suggested in his post.

BTW, Westy. Thanks for the pm.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2146654]So I've RTTF and have my gameplan for late arrival on Friday and Saturday date options with LA Club freelance fallback.

Sunday I don't leave until late in the afternoon and won't have a room anymore. I don't want a massage HJ. What are the best Sunday (church, ugh) morning / early afternoon on-site sex options prior to leaving?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2146654]So I've RTTF and have my gameplan for late arrival on Friday and Saturday date options with LA Club freelance fallback.

Sunday I don't leave until late in the afternoon and won't have a room anymore. I don't want a massage HJ. What are the best Sunday (church, ugh) morning / early afternoon on-site sex options prior to leaving?[/QUOTE]As a third option and more of a sure thing (very good with being relatively on time) use a service. Just get online and do a search for escort and the area you are in.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2146654]So I've RTTF and have my gameplan for late arrival on Friday and Saturday date options with LA Club freelance fallback.

Sunday I don't leave until late in the afternoon and won't have a room anymore. I don't want a massage HJ. What are the best Sunday (church, ugh) morning / early afternoon on-site sex options prior to leaving?[/QUOTE]Pay for a room extension or go to a smaller hotel. If near T1 NAIA I use Oyster hotel.

Makati is mainly my playground while in Phils (COD to some extents as well) so its been a while since I was directed to stay in the "slummy" areas of Ermita / Malate. I stayed at the New World (NW, nice hotel though in a bad area) and I thought "what the hell, why not downscale my mongering to a revisit to the LA Cafe (I presume it was called MBC last time I visited). Its a dirty but a straight shooter place filled with hookers. Since this was daytime it wasnt to crowded but a far number of hookers were present. I ordered myself a Jack and coke and scoped around.

Its not that you have to do a walk around yourself because if you just sit still girls will eventually stop by themselves to check out if you would fuck them. I am a bit of a wanderer so I went on and about to check out all the girls present and make a decision from that. I ended up asking a girl in a leopard dress if she wanted to have a Jack. She insisted on water but I managed to booze her up with a Jack. She wasn't to bad looking and the dress made her look hookerish in a naughty way. Just what I needed after a long flight into MNL. She wouldn't come forward as a hooker of course but the Jack loosened her up and she admitted she was there to fuck for money. We finished one more Jack, paid and headed back to NW. Didn't technically discuss the price but I let it shine through that I wasn't going to frame her by evicting her without a generous gift. That was the settlement.

Back in the room it was a shower BBJ to harden things up, then we did the fucking most places around the apartment. As I presume she was a hardcore hooker I admit I should have used rubber but in the heat of the moment I forgot about it (I mostly do). She stayed for two pops. She was quite tallish (5.4-5.5), round firm tetas which gravity didn't get hold of yet, age 23,1 baby but little to no baby damage. Only minus was she broke winds during the first session. After an intense couple of hours I let her free with 3 k well deserved php. She told me she would go home to her baby. It was still early afternoon so I took a stroll into Robinson's to scope for talent but even if there was a few girls around the entrance-/ starbuckarea who most likely would join me for some sexual action, they were to no interest to me. But there are obviously still hookers stralling around inside / outside Robinson mall.

Headed back to NW for late snacks, a shower and figuring out what to do in the evening. Was playing my rather long list of girls who I could contact but decided to close it down and just play the eve by the ear. I feel more comf in Makati so I booked a car from the hotel to take me to Glorietta. I hooked up with a friend staying at Ascott (the one above Glorietta mall), lucky guy, and we headed for Havana Cafe. Also been a while since I was there so nice to also have a reunion with this hooker pickup place. We arrived 9 pmish. Mixed crowd as usual so we ordered a bottle of vodka with extras redbull / coke / sprite / orange juice. As a tactic ordering in a btl of booze is a nice icebreaker as it is easy to treat girls a drink or two (yeah I know you don't need it to play hookers) along with it being the easiest way to get a few drinks down (don't have to wait for any waiter / waitress) - freedom.

Mostly old girls alone at 9 pm a Wednesday eve mixed in with real couples or singles just having dinner. At 10 pm girls start arriving and a few of them good looking. Dividing "naughty" from "good" girls is rather easy as hookers will eyeball you in a way which can not be mistaken. If girls don't make eye contact I consider them a no go. At least in a hooker place. Late in the eve most regular couple, regular girls are gone anyway and just seedy girls are left.

So what happens next, yes, the girl from LAC arrives. Now dressed up Makati style (nicer dress, less hookerish, to blend in with regular girls in a way style). She sees me and I break into laughter which she sees and walks over. I ask if she's at her night shifts and she nods the affirmative way. She was much more attractive doing the Makatistyle by the way. We sat her and her friend down and boozed them up. Friend wasn't much to look at (my subjective meaning) but since my friend is an easy target and not so occupied who he puts his dick inside (not gay), he took my nightshift girl back to Ascott. I took my dayshift girl. She was amongst the top ones at HC anyway. Back to NW (my friend fixed a private car from Ascott. Due to long taxi lines).

So I know its been debated before as LAC girls frequent also other places. They just changes style. Now I know this for a fact.

Thank you for your responses -- I will definitely ask for a late checkout. That daytime / nighttime post was good too. I'll report back.

Nice report. It is funny because you do see familiar faces over the years. I once meet a Filipino at 2 A at a bar and then at 9 A at an airport. Since I turned her down at 2 A, I asked her at 9 A if she wanted to have a go? Went to the lounge and had a pre-flight session in the bathroom.

Havana is closer to me but for some reason, I don't go there often. Will have to add it on list.

[QUOTE=VernierCaliper;2146770]So I know its been debated before as LAC girls frequent also other places. They just changes style. Now I know this for a fact.[/QUOTE]

Dear All,

Sorry for being away for a while.

Plan to visit Manila. Booked at AG Manila Bayview Hotel.

This time, want to meet mainly DIA girls. Have been in chat these recently with them before the day of my arrival.

I can categories them into 2 group:

1) money & only money:

Girl A: when you come?

Me: soon darling.

Girl A: can you send me some money, I need to travel there to meet you, I don't. Have money now.

Me: sorry, I will only give you the money when we meet then.

Girl be: my occupation is Massage, what massage tou prefer? Swedish or Thai.

Me: do you give happy ending?

Girl be: no sir, I only do massage. 500 pesos / hour.

Me: ok, can you come and stay with whole night.

Girl be: Yes sir, I can do that.

Me: ok, so your menstrual period is over.

Girl be: yes, sir, by the time we meet, period is over.

Girl be: sir, I am stress, my son need to see doctor.

Me: oh, sorry to hear that.

Girl be: You know a fucking guest want extra service, I told him I only do massage.

Me: oh, so what you think?

Girl be: I won't agree but I am stress. Can you send me money so I will make sure not to accept this clients.

2) this group are girl, never ask anything about money but they want to meet me and hoping for a relationship.

Well much wonders how you guys experience with girls from DIA or pinalove etc?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2146182]....
What I'd really like is to meet one of the girls and then in a couple weeks take her to Boracay or somewhere.[/QUOTE]I have had good luck on longer setups on SA. The girls there do not appear to be all pro's lots of regular girls looking for a foreign BF.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2147530]This time, want to meet mainly DIA girls. Have been in chat these recently with them before the day of my arrival.[/QUOTE]Spoiler alert. You are going to be disappointed. Make sure you have a back up plan for fun.

[QUOTE=VictoryGuy;2146624]I am in a hotel in Pasay. Looking for some genuine contacts for short time. Is it safe to have them in the room? Please give me some pointers.[/QUOTE]LA Cafe or EDSA Entertainment Complex (Center?) might be your closest reliable spots.

By all means take them to a hotel but lock your stuff up.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2147624]Spoiler alert. You are going to be disappointed. Make sure you have a back up plan for fun.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

Yes, I have back up plan either going to EDSA complex or La cafe. Those chicks asking for money, I already removed them from the list! Only couple of girls that didn't tak about money before hand are the group for me to explore. But in case all goes nothing then will go with la cafe or edsa girls.

My plan is paying php 1500 to 2000 for la cafe girl and damage for edsa conplese will be Php 3000 + php 3000 for girl. Will this be workable? And all will be LT fee.

Any idea?

By the way, I phoned AG Manila Bayview hotel about extra occupancy, they said as long as I booked double them good for addin one other than me. . I am not sure if they are girl friendly or not. Anyone can share ideas?

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2147815]My plan is paying php 1500 to 2000 for la cafe girl and damage for edsa conplese will be Php 3000 + php 3000 for girl. Will this be workable? And all will be LT fee.
[/QUOTE]I haven't been back in about 6 months, but in EDSA the bar gets 1950 php and the girl asks for 2500-3500ST, 4000 LT (if you can find a girl that does LT). That is before lady drinks and parasitic fees (on-site food for starving gogo dancer, mamasan tip, rip-off taxi waiting out front, "guy in men's room who hands you a wash cloth" tip, "guy who opens a taxi door for you" tip, etc). Have a lot of 20 php notes on you.

You will see a newer complex to the left of EDSA Entertainment as you look at it. Avoid it. Same quality girls but higher pricing and very aggressive Mamasans and Papasans.

Let us know how it goes!

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2147974]I haven't been back in about 6 months, but in EDSA the bar gets 1950 php and the girl asks for 2500-3500ST, 4000 LT (if you can find a girl that does LT). That is before lady drinks and parasitic fees (on-site food for starving gogo dancer, mamasan tip, rip-off taxi waiting out front, "guy in men's room who hands you a wash cloth" tip, "guy who opens a taxi door for you" tip, etc). Have a lot of 20 php notes on you.

You will see a newer complex to the left of EDSA Entertainment as you look at it. Avoid it. Same quality girls but higher pricing and very aggressive Mamasans and Papasans.

Let us know how it goes![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback!

Will let you guys knows my report.

As Edsa conplex & La cafe is my alternative option in case DIA girls fuck up. But presently I am in contact with a non pro, may be she really a genuine non pro as she said she is working as sales lady in a mall. Never talk to me on any thing related to money stuff but starting to hint me not wanting seeing me sign in at DIA, send me photos and been on chat consecutively, also willing to stay with me at my hotel.

Now, I got another one that willing to also meet me and pretty sure will stay with me. In fact I am worry if both girls will be overlapping later on with my schedule. If they know I stay the same hotel, will it be suddenly they come by again while I got the other one with me then? My mistakes I told them I stay in which hotel and how many days of stay.

Any advise? I wanted to try both of them but worries this scenario may happened just in case one of them come back while the other is with me?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2148194]Thanks for the feedback!

Will let you guys knows my report.
Now, I got another one that willing to also meet me and pretty sure will stay with me. In fact I am worry if both girls will be overlapping later on with my schedule. If they know I stay the same hotel, will it be suddenly they come by again while I got the other one with me then? My mistakes I told them I stay in which hotel and how many days of stay.

Any advise? I wanted to try both of them but worries this scenario may happened just in case one of them come back while the other is with me?
MD.[/QUOTE]Is it too late to call / text them and tell them of your sudden change of plans? I usually make my plans 4 to 6 months in advance, including hotel reservations. But, when it comes to telling my (your) prospects when you will be in Manila, best to say, "I'll try to be there on (date) . I am also going to Korea and not sure of the dates yet. " Or use Thailand, Japan, etc. You don't say what hotel you will be at, but very few girls live close enough to the hotels to lie in wait for you. And hotels generally do not let women go to rooms unescorted. Also, when you are with the first one, you can say you are leaving unexpectedly the next day, or Friday, etc. She will think you are leaving and won't come back to the hotel. Tell the front desk you do not want any calls, and not to release any information. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;2148255]Is it too late to call / text them and tell them of your sudden change of plans? I usually make my plans 4 to 6 months in advance, including hotel reservations. But, when it comes to telling my (your) prospects when you will be in Manila, best to say, "I'll try to be there on (date) . I am also going to Korea and not sure of the dates yet. " Or use Thailand, Japan, etc. You don't say what hotel you will be at, but very few girls live close enough to the hotels to lie in wait for you. And hotels generally do not let women go to rooms unescorted. Also, when you are with the first one, you can say you are leaving unexpectedly the next day, or Friday, etc. She will think you are leaving and won't come back to the hotel. Tell the front desk you do not want any calls, and not to release any information. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks pal for the nice guidelines. Yeah, I think that will be the best alibi. Well, it's only. Short three night stay so hope to make the best out of it.

Will give La Cafe a visit, to supplement some sudden vacancy then.

Hope to enjoy Filipina pussy this short stay in Manila.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2148320]Thanks pal for the nice guidelines. Yeah, I think that will be the best alibi. Well, it's only. Short three night stay so hope to make the best out of it.

Will give La Cafe a visit, to supplement some sudden vacancy then.

Hope to enjoy Filipina pussy this short stay in Manila.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]It isn't too hard to fake an intestine problem in Manila to get some time away from a girl (no questions asked). Pretty good chance you won't have to fake all of it.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;2148255]Is it too late to call / text them and tell them of your sudden change of plans? I usually make my plans 4 to 6 months in advance, including hotel reservations. But, when it comes to telling my (your) prospects when you will be in Manila, best to say, "I'll try to be there on (date) . I am also going to Korea and not sure of the dates yet. " Or use Thailand, Japan, etc. You don't say what hotel you will be at, but very few girls live close enough to the hotels to lie in wait for you. And hotels generally do not let women go to rooms unescorted. Also, when you are with the first one, you can say you are leaving unexpectedly the next day, or Friday, etc. She will think you are leaving and won't come back to the hotel. Tell the front desk you do not want any calls, and not to release any information. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]4-6 months before? It is ok for flight and hotel. But not for setting up a fuck date. Many things change in your life as well as in a girls life. Both of you will meet other people who will be more interesting. My plans take shape only after I land in Philippines. Unless if it is a GF from before.

I have had best results by trolling DIA moment I am in my hotel. Once the girls know you are in town they are more eager to be with you. If they have not done this before they may want to meet you at a mall or some other place. Usually they will bring a friend and you are expected to treat them for food. After that if the girl likes you she will ditch her friend and come with you. No finances will be discussed.

If the girl has done this before she will come to the hotel. In such cases I always discuss financial arrangements.

If all else fails hit the venues where you can pick up a girl.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2148405]It isn't too hard to fake an intestine problem in Manila to get some time away from a girl (no questions asked). Pretty good chance you won't have to fake all of it.[/QUOTE]There was a poster here a while ago who used to tell them that he was here on business. If the morning girl was good, afternoon girl got text that business meeting went longer. If not then he kept the meeting. Same for afternoon and evening girls. He re-books any girls who he could not see because his "business" meeting went too long.

Personally I think that that helps the girls justifying being late and not showing. I just book one a day in advance and then look for a pickup or a short notice date if I need to.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2148579]

Personally I think that that helps the girls justifying being late and not showing. I just book one a day in advance and then look for a pickup or a short notice date if I need to.[/QUOTE]I've tried all kinds of scheduling systems, from preplanned blocks of time to "adhoc, let's see how it goes", but one thing remains constant. The unreliability of the average pinay.

These days I just use a ranking system, any girl in tier 1 gets to be as late as they like as long as they show, tiers 2 and 3 risk getting bumped if they don't show up on time.

Thanks for all of your feedback.

I have eliminate again 2 girls from DIA contact as I can see they are too pushy to asked some money to help them with whatever fake reason such as paying rent, streesfful of her son's sickness etc.

Now I still keep one girl, a sales lady that chat with me everyday and still not asking some money or even talk about it. But the downside is she seems to hoping a true love, she even closed her account for me. Basically, this one should be good at GFE, but the problem is she means real, I think this already closing my red line in mongering. I prefer service for payment than service for relationship, may be taking advantage and have a GFE for my short stay with a natural pinay will be an experience but after that? I think that is what I have to reconsider seriously.

I mongers but doesn't. Want to hurt someone feeling. May be I am wrong, thinking too much?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2148623]
I mongers but doesn't. Want to hurt someone feeling. May be I am wrong, thinking too much?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]MD, can I suggest you compare my two posts on trying to plan ahead on the chat sites vs just turning up and reeling in the girls.

I'm In Davao now battling missed appointments, no shows and undisclosed ladyboys after starting to get numbers 2 months ago.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2147823]So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors. . . .[/QUOTE]Contrast that to my introduction to the sites when I just arrived in Cebu and started having fun:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2114979]This is intended as a review of a virgin's introduction to PinaLove rather than a review of possible activities in Cebu. . .[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong, I'm still having fun here but it was way less work and simpler simply arriving in Cebu and starting then.

If it helps, I also have a post on what a girl told me they look for in guys profile. Have a search and see if it is of value to you.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2148623]Thanks for all of your feedback.

I have eliminate again 2 girls from DIA contact as I can see they are too pushy to asked some money to help them with whatever fake reason such as paying rent, streesfful of her son's sickness etc.

Now I still keep one girl, a sales lady that chat with me everyday and still not asking some money or even talk about it. But the downside is she seems to hoping a true love, she even closed her account for me. Basically, this one should be good at GFE, but the problem is she means real, I think this already closing my red line in mongering. I prefer service for payment than service for relationship, may be taking advantage and have a GFE for my short stay with a natural pinay will be an experience but after that? I think that is what I have to reconsider seriously.

I mongers but doesn't. Want to hurt someone feeling. May be I am wrong, thinking too much?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you to read at least 2 last pages of neighboring thread "Chat Rooms & Pen Pals" to get some more information regarding pinays, before to make ungrounded conclusion that she is a good girl, just because she claims, she wants long term relationship.

As was told few times before, Filipinas could be divided into two groups. First are straightforward and ask money for sex right away. Others are more sly and they are willing to wait for weeks, months or even year (s) to get your money. No matter whether she is from the first group, or from the second one, you should always keep in your mind, that 99% of pinays are WG, who are primarily interested in your wealth.

Before you physically met her and got to know her closer, you should admit, that you know absolutely nothing about her. You just know, what she tells you about herself and what she wants you to know, but the reality might be much more harsh then you can expect. She might have pinoy husband, or BF. She might have one, two, or several sugar daddy sponsors, who provide her and who come to Philippines just twice or thrice per year to fuck her. She might meet other mongers just with fucking purpose, while she still claims you, she is a good girl and she wants you to marry her. You never know, and you shouldn't conclude anything just based on your virtual communication.

WTF should you feel any remorse about fucking her, when she sees in you just as a source of her income in the first place? Go and fuck her and never regret. But remember two golden rules you should obey if you want to be fine:

1. Never ever give her any money. Not a single peso for whatever reason. She will enjoy sleeping in air conditioned room, enjoy eating good food at a restaurants, enjoy travelling, if you decide to take her somewhere. That is enough. In exchange she will give you her pussy. That is a fair deal, but no additional money or presents for her should be involved in that deal.

2. Don't fall in love with her. Pinays are used to say a lot of sweet words, which may sound convincing. But in fact they don't mean what they say. Her only one aim is to get your guard down, so that to get your money. She might wait for months, or even years to win a jack pot. She might be truly faithful which could mislead you, but even if that is so, remember that she wants not you, but your wallet. Perhaps, she wants a sponsor, who will provide her on a constant basis. Perhaps she dreams about living in a foreign country, which enables her to provide her big family, including cousins, brothers and sisters in law at your expenses.

That said, pinays are not monsters. They can give you very quality GFE, if you follow above mention rules. You can have a great time with her, but don't mix up GFE with real relationship. It is not, because if it is driven by financial interest, sooner or later it will lead to something bad. It is just a game for you and for her. It could be called deal, but not a relationship. Go, fuck her and never feel remorse.

Looking for a hotel for my stay in Manila in a couple of weeks. Reading through the reviews of one place and guess what one unfavorable review says:

Got picked up at the airport via shuttle and was charged $70.00 with the driver asking for a tip for his family. Very rude front desk staff who confused me for a local. [B]The front desk security found me at the mall and asked me for a donation for his son's birthday[/B], though no party being held. No room cleaning service for 4 days so I ended up buying new bath towels for myself. When I called house keeping I was told that my room was not a guest room*.

What a fucking city.

Land at 9 pm on a Friday, at my hotel by 10, head straight to Cafe Havana. This place is just odd -- a legit bar / restaurant with band and outdoor seating for food. Get a beer and the obvious hookers stare at me but don't do anything then play shy when I talk to them. Dumb game. So I go outside and order food. This smoking hot curvy babe in a tight white dress walks by a couple times and we make eye contact. It was all I could do to get her to sit down -- "I'm with my friends. " "Are they guys?" "No. " Then took forever to get around to her admitting she's working, all the while she's shifting around and wringing her hands. Kicked her out the minute she started at 7000 and laughed when I said 3000 tops.

Blahblahblah more of the same shit.

Finally found a girl comfortable in her own skin and with what she's doing -- the rest are fucking wackjobs. Smoking hot spinner with a vanishing waist, curvylicious huge bubble butt and nice see cups. What a body!! Tight dress with vents all the way down both sides. No panties! She started at 5000. I said 3. Ended up at 4. Upper end of the RTTF 2500-4000 range but it was late, I was horny, and she was fucking all that. Walked to 7-11 for beers and hung out in my room naked flirting, watching her dance, a bit of oral, beer, flirting, etc. Nice to have an experience and not just enter / strip / fuck / leave. Best BBBJ I've ever had -- super deep throat, choked on it, spit up after all over my cock, dove right back on it for more. Hungry little *****.

Flipped her over to finally put it in and she freaked. Pinay supposed to love bareback but she would. Not. Have. It. At all. No convincing otherwise. So put the cover on and banged her doggy, regular and reverse cowgirl, mish with legs down the bed, then the finishing move was her knees by her head and parallel to her body (flexible! Me just jjack-hammering her with my whole body almost all the way out of her then pounding her (think randy savage off the top rope belly splash) again and again. Full body on body slapping. Cock ramming the back of her pussy. Came deep in her, unfortunately in a rubber.

Girl can take a beating.

Then more beer and good night.

4000 php.

Megan. I think she goes on social by MeganSweetness.

Kicked her out, tried to sleep. Phone rang. Hotel wouldn't let her out unless I said I was ok. Said I was and not to call back.

Fucking city.

Or not.

Woke up and wanted to see some sites, so did the fort and intramuros. Ended up at LA Cafe around 1-2 pm looking for poon.

Man these girls are a hot fucking mess.

They smile at me and I wish they didn't.

Look my way and I avert my eyes ASAP.

They're all a bit "off:

- Skinny girl with big belly.

- Nice big booby girl with way too much everything else.

- Decent body girl with teeth sticking straight out towards me.

- Anemic girl who makes a toothpick look overweight.

And the worst was while trying to find a diamond in the rough, a group of japs sit behind me and every girl in the place surrounds the table -- must have been 3 deep -- pushing me out of the way.

Well if that's how management likes it then they're not getting any more of my beer / food money.

Hightailed it to Zubuchon for some of the best roast pork I've ever had.

Had lined up for the night:

- Girl 1: Talking for a week, going to go out and pick up another girl and have an epic evening and I was going to definitely make it worth her financial while. Text at 7 pm: My friends dragged me to Angeles. Fucking ****.

- Girl 2: Talking for 5 days, planned to meet at a Makati bar. She ended up going to Q City or some bullshit. Fucking ****.

- Girl 3: Lived in Makati, talking to for 3 ish days. Definitely seemed excited to meet (as did all of them as we talked about shopping, dinner / drinks and fun). Heard nothing.

Best laid plans.

So didn't feel like Havana again. LA Cafe sucked. I didn't really want to go to Burgos and get a bar girl (way too fucking expensive even though I like bar girls). Went to a couple clubs and oogled the hotties. Wanted stupid amounts of money. Played one for long enough just talking that she rubbed me to cumming in my boxers. Not even a drink bought. That was in Plan be in one of the side booths. Stupid girl was straight off the bus 2 days prior from some province. Thanks, honey.

Bathroom, ditch boxers, good to go.

Wander down the way and there's the Ringside Bar. Definitely NOT OK (tm liberal american) things happen there. Dwarf boxing, tag team dwarf oil wrestling, girl boxing. But what the hell. Had a couple drinks and sat with a REALLY COOL CHICK and we bet 20 php on matches, groped around a bit, shot the shit and loved her because a) her shit was all hanging out everywhere and b) she didn't beg for a drink not even once. Her friend sat on the other side of me and constantly whined for drinks and I told her to shut the fuck up and leave me alone with her bitching. I think REALLY COOL CHICK got the message.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2148860]Man these girls are a hot fucking mess.[/QUOTE]LOL. Man I like your style.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2148860]Had lined up for the night:

- Girl 1: Talking for a week, going to go out and pick up another girl and have an epic evening and I was going to definitely make it worth her financial while. Text at 7 pm: My friends dragged me to Angeles. Fucking ****.

- Girl 2: Talking for 5 days, planned to meet at a Makati bar. She ended up going to Q City or some bullshit. Fucking ****.

- Girl 3: Lived in Makati, talking to for 3 ish days. Definitely seemed excited to meet (as did all of them as we talked about shopping, dinner / drinks and fun). Heard nothing.

Best laid plans.[/QUOTE]We warned you that you couldn't depend on those internet broads! All that time hunting online up in smoke.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2148851]Looking for a hotel for my stay in Manila in a couple of weeks. Reading through the reviews of one place and guess what one unfavorable review says:

Got picked up at the airport via shuttle and was charged $70.00 with the driver asking for a tip for his family. Very rude front desk staff who confused me for a local. [B]The front desk security found me at the mall and asked me for a donation for his son's birthday[/B], though no party being held. No room cleaning service for 4 days so I ended up buying new bath towels for myself. When I called house keeping I was told that my room was not a guest room*.[/QUOTE]I think there is something amiss here. Despite numerous hotel stays throughout Metro Manila for me, and many, many reports from others here in ISG, I have never heard any reports of hotel experiences like this--except for the doorman meeting at the mall. Obviously if they guy subscribed to ISG and read the Manila thread, he'd have seen through this particular scam.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2148860]

Best laid plans.[/QUOTE]Really? You're in Manila, having presumably read this thread properly to understand how reliably unreliable pinays are and you only organized three girls?

For a first meeting, over two days in Manila you need 10 - 15 ready to go minimum, and none of those will make it at the right time. And at best 5 will show at all. If you've met them once already they'll generally show up when they say they will (give or take 2 hours).

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2148728]I would suggest you to read at least 2 last pages of neighboring thread "Chat Rooms & Pen Pals" to get some more information regarding pinays, before to make ungrounded conclusion that she is a good girl, just because she claims, she wants long term relationship.

As was told few times before, Filipinas could be divided into two groups. First are straightforward and ask money for sex right away. Others are more sly and they are willing to wait for weeks, months .[/QUOTE]Thanks for advise pal!

Yeah, I understand Filipina girls have so many types, in fact I would rather wish to have a real hot girl or even students to tell me straight they need money for service render that for me the best group ever.

Back to this sales lady, let's see what she up to. If I scented this is for a long time investment she put on me in these short stays then after the deeds, will deleted all chatting plateform with her. Don't want to established relationships.

Your are right "GFE" is no "relationship". They always telling better pay than pay later.

By the way, along with my charting with the "sales lady" , I once ask her, Honey, you wish me cum inside you or outside? SL: honey, you cum outside, I am afraid. ME: afraid of what? SL: pregnant, honey!

Anyway, even I saw her working at the mall and even provened she was there, I don't think would like to fuck a girl just met on the sites and laid down for me after first meeting without using cover. I heard a lot of call center girls are infected with HIV.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2148884]LOL. Man I like your style.

We warned you that you couldn't depend on those internet broads! All that time hunting online up in smoke.[/QUOTE]Hahaha yes, yes you did. But it was still worth it to me as I'd rather take a chance on a non-pro vs. The downside of it all evaporating knowing there are p4 p options available.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149069]Thanks for advise pal!
------ I heard a lot of call center girls are infected with HIV.
Cheers,
MD.[/QUOTE]Correct. Te statistics says Call Center girls are the HIV infected on top. Usually I stay far but if unavoidable just make all checks before the doing. Once I forced to bring my CC girl the HIV test kit with her. It is easy to carry and easy to handle in hotel room.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2148852]
Flipped her over to finally put it in and she freaked. Pinay supposed to love bareback but she would. Not. Have. It. At all. No convincing otherwise. [/QUOTE]In Manila it can be difficult to get BB. I have learned to ask them beforehand, after too many disappointments in my room.

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2148728]No matter whether she is from the first group, or from the second one, you should always keep in your mind, that 99% of pinays are WG, who are primarily interested in your wealth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149069]Thanks for advise pal![/QUOTE]I would take the 'advise' of a guy who thinks that 99% of Pinays are WG with a big grain of salt. I think '99% of Pinays are NOT WG' comes closer to reality.

Just make it very clear from the start with the ladies that you are not looking for a serious relationship. Just be honest about it to avoid drama and hurting feelings.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149069]

Anyway, even I saw her working at the mall and even provened she was there, I don't think would like to fuck a girl just met on the sites and laid down for me after first meeting without using cover. I heard a lot of call center girls are infected with HIV.

[/QUOTE]Maybe you are right, those call centers are a cesspool of infections. Those call center girls make bargirls and street hookers look like mother teresa.

Seriously you have to be joking. You do realize that all call center staff go through health testing pre-employment plus each workplace needs all employees to complete 5 medical tests per annum. Does it stop people picking up infections through sexual contact? No. Are call center girls possibly more educated yes.

That being said I met a great call center girl on Pinalove. Now that girl knows how to swallow cum.

Bd.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149069]
I heard a lot of call center girls are infected with HIV.[/QUOTE]Where did you get that? Sounds like BS to me. Of course there is HIV in the Phils but more than 80% (if I recall the number correctly) of the infected are gay males.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2149212]I would take the 'advise' of a guy who thinks that 99% of Pinays are WG with a big grain of salt. I think '99% of Pinays are NOT WG' comes closer to reality.

Just make it very clear from the start with the ladies that you are not looking for a serious relationship. Just be honest about it to avoid drama and hurting feelings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advise!

Yes, I believed not all Pinay are WG, perhaps they want to get a better chance to stay away from poverty. Actually, this girl told me they hate Filipino man, because they been cheated and left wth the fruits of their impregnated womb to themselves.

I got to tell her we are just for fun and pleasure and may be an overhaul for her more than 3 years not having sex with any guy, I will just take it as a truth, since I still believed she is normal girl that want to be loved And live nice life too.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2149216]Maybe you are right, those call centers are a cesspool of infections. Those call center girls make bargirls and street hookers look like mother teresa.

Seriously you have to be joking. You do realize that all call center staff go through health testing pre-employment plus each workplace needs all employees to complete 5 medical tests per annum. Does it stop people picking up infections through sexual contact? No. Are call center girls possibly more educated yes.

That being said I met a great call center girl on Pinalove. Now that girl knows how to swallow cum.

Bd.[/QUOTE]Actually, Same like you, I doubt about it but the info given to me was from one of the Doctor friend of mine on one of the biggest hospital in Manila.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149223]Thanks for the advise!

Actually, this girl told me they hate Filipino man, because they been cheated and left wth the fruits of their impregnated womb to themselves.

I got to tell her we are just for fun and pleasure and may be an overhaul for her more than 3 years not having sex with any guy, I will just take it as a truth, since I still believed she is normal girl that want to be loved And live nice life too.

MD.[/QUOTE]3 years without sex. Really? Being a man with sense, do you believe her? Just answer yourself. LOL.

Also it's very trite phrase, that they hate Pinoys, and it shouldn't be considered seriously. Usually it is said for foreigners to assure that they are good loyal girls, but it has nothing common with reality. Most pinays are very horny, and they can't live without dick for more than few days and most part of the year, when their proposed sponsors are out of Philippines, they are fucked by local guys. And even when their proposed sponsors are beside, some pinays manage to be fucked by Filipino BFs at the same time. Of course many of them have Pinoy husbands and long term Pinoy BFs, but that is what they will never tell you.

Suddenly the truth reveal, my sales lady sudenrly send me WhatsApp telling me like this:

SL: honey, my phone broken today, I now use my friend phone.

ME: what happen?

SL: the LCD broken And can't turn on the phone, I am worried how to contact you when you come!

ME: it's ok, you just come to my hotel, I wait you at the lobby at the time we set.

SL: oh, how can I contact you then? I don't want you to wait too long.

ME: it's ok, I wait you till another 30 minutes more and if you don't come then it means you now coming.

She just stunned And no response anymore!

Conclusion: girls on dating site are much professional in trying to look for money for date, they will find all kind of reason to ask you to send money before hand.

Really need to be more clever in this kind of game.

Cheers,

MD.

After all development with dating site girls, I think no chance to meet anyone, like what brothers reported eithe end up no show or full of bullies, so conclusion just to make sure to have some back up plan.

With the location of my hotel in Pedro Gil, no way for me to pick Burgos girl neither I want to be rip off with Edsa complex girl, so only la cafe & Robison mall pick up are the last resources.

Wish me luck brothers!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149314]After all development with dating site girls, I think no chance to meet anyone, like what brothers reported eithe end up no show or full of bullies, so conclusion just to make sure to have some back up plan.

With the location of my hotel in Pedro Gil, no way for me to pick Burgos girl neither I want to be rip off with Edsa complex girl, so only la cafe & Robison mall pick up are the last resources.

Wish me luck brothers!

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Malate is my home away from home, so if you need some info them pm me. Just let me know what hotel or location so I can give you walking directions.

Robinsons after they removed the smoking area, the girls are not as concentrated as before so it takes some time to recognize who is working and who is not but they are still there, just scattered around a bit. I would suggest skipping Robinsons, as it is very rare to find something really nice.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149305]Suddenly the truth reveal, my sales lady sudenrly send me WhatsApp telling me like this:

SL: honey, my phone broken today, I now use my friend phone.

ME: what happen?

SL: the LCD broken And can't turn on the phone, I am worried how to contact you when you come!

ME: it's ok, you just come to my hotel, I wait you at the lobby at the time we set.

SL: oh, how can I contact you then? I don't want you to wait too long.

ME: it's ok, I wait you till another 30 minutes more and if you don't come then it means you now coming.

She just stunned And no response anymore!

Conclusion: girls on dating site are much professional in trying to look for money for date, they will find all kind of reason to ask you to send money before hand.

Really need to be more clever in this kind of game.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]These things are bound to happen once in a while. To start what I would do is the moment they ask for money saying this and that cut off. Go on to the next one. Do not give up hope. Non pros are lots of fun to be with.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2149217]Where did you get that? Sounds like BS to me. Of course there is HIV in the Phils but more than 80% (if I recall the number correctly) of the infected are gay males.[/QUOTE]CDC of course has the actual facts. The risk in Philippines is that the gay males and drug users of course are the highest infected parts of the population.

The heterosexual marred filipino man will do his part for his community to fuck the gay guy that can't get a fuck. For this the married guy will be paid by the gay. Married guy does not consider it as homosexual sex and does not realize he is at risk. Infects his filipina wife. She in turn infects us visiting hetrosexual men who are meeting these 'honest' wives via dating sites.

Oh what a twisted world it is.

BD.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2149479]These things are bound to happen once in a while. To start what I would do is the moment they ask for money saying this and that cut off. Go on to the next one. Do not give up hope. Non pros are lots of fun to be with.[/QUOTE]Thanks pal for the advise!

Yes, I am doing that way but so far all my list on supppsed Non Pro ended the same. Will keep searching till a non pro pussy appeared.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2149500]
The heterosexual marred filipino man will do his part for his community to fuck the gay guy that can't get a fuck. For this the married guy will be paid by the gay. Married guy does not consider it as homosexual sex and does not realize he is at risk. Infects his filipina wife. She in turn infects us visiting hetrosexual men who are meeting these 'honest' wives via dating sites. [/QUOTE]Agreed BD.

An associated risk is the OFW seaman (there are 1000's of them in the Philippines) who roams far and wide using prostitutes in various ports (including PNG and Africa) and picks up who knows what on his travels and then comes home on leave and infects not only his wife but other female mistresses in his community. Many of these women on dating sites are the horny filipina wives and gfs left alone at home while the husband / bf is working overseas.

Don't forget too that many of these separated women on dating sites are still regularly "visited" by their estranged partner and during these visits he expects and / or has sex with her. I had a maid once who fitted this category but she didn't last long with me because she got pregnant during one of her weekends taking her leave at her home.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149314]After all development with dating site girls, I think no chance to meet anyone, like what brothers reported eithe end up no show or full of bullies, so conclusion just to make sure to have some back up plan.[/QUOTE]You can also try WeChat and Badoo. Although Badoo is not free and I have the impression it's getting more and more commercial lately.

Quite a lot of ladyboys and scammers on WeChat and Badoo too but I have found some gems there. Can take a lot of time though.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2149555]Agreed BD.

An associated risk is the OFW seaman (there are 1000's of them in the Philippines) who roams far and wide using prostitutes in various ports (including PNG and Africa) and picks up who knows what on his travels and then comes home on leave and infects not only his wife but other female mistresses in his community. Many of these women on dating sites are the horny filipina wives and gfs left alone at home while the husband / bf is working overseas.

Don't forget too that many of these separated women on dating sites are still regularly "visited" by their estranged partner and during these visits he expects and / or has sex with her. I had a maid once who fitted this category but she didn't last long with me because she got pregnant during one of her weekends taking her leave at her home.[/QUOTE]I agree, but I want to add, that everything said below applies not just to women from dating sites, but for all Filipinas in general. So don't be mislead, that if you met a girl, who never enrolled in dating sites, then she is clean. Most all of pinays prefer bearback.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2149555]Agreed BD.

An associated risk is the OFW seaman (there are 1000's of them in the Philippines) who roams far and wide using prostitutes in various ports (including PNG and Africa) and picks up who knows what on his travels and then comes home on leave and infects not only his wife but other female mistresses in his community. Many of these women on dating sites are the horny filipina wives and gfs left alone at home while the husband / bf is working overseas.

Don't forget too that many of these separated women on dating sites are still regularly "visited" by their estranged partner and during these visits he expects and / or has sex with her. I had a maid once who fitted this category but she didn't last long with me because she got pregnant during one of her weekends taking her leave at her home.[/QUOTE]A few I have met had seamen as boyfriends / husbands and I was always very cautious. One did catch a nasty STD from her partner and that ended my times with her and her relationship with him but as to how many he was shagging in the country (she said he had many girlfriends) is unknown and she was also playing the DIA etc web site. Messy is nice word for that.

Same happens in the Middle East with the DHs who have a number of men friends and suddenly they end up pregnant (many times it is the family driver) and have to leave the country pronto. Not just the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2149571]You can also try WeChat and Badoo. Although Badoo is not free and I have the impression it's getting more and more commercial lately.

Quite a lot of ladyboys and scammers on WeChat and Badoo too but I have found some gems there. Can take a lot of time though.[/QUOTE]Thanks I have wechat but I don't know how to search for girls? In the past when I went China, I use scanning surrounding for chat, is this also workable in Manila?

All DIA girls last minutes. Change: 1) oh I need to go take care my family, 2) I am in HK now, 3) I need to take care someone as he is sick all these BS etc! Why don't they just go straight ask for an amount for what services! Filipina pussy really make me crazy in mind. It in my cock!

So, really have to find back up!

For La cafe girls, is php 1500-2000 for ST is high or low? For LT I guess around 3,000? Ang advise?

I wish to try bar girls in Edsa complex but heard a lot of rip off unlike in NEP in BKK.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149609]

For La cafe girls, is php 1500-2000 for ST is high or low? For LT I guess around 3,000? Ang advise?

[/QUOTE]PHP 2,000 is about right for ST. The rate for LT is whatever you agree, but around 3,000 is okay. Most won't do LT as they need to get home. Some of the girls at LA Cafe travel up to 4 hours to get to the bar. They often have urgent bills to pay, their child is sick or need to pay for their fare back to the province etc. An amount of PHP 2,000 for a quick fuck will fix their immediate financial problem.

If you haven't been there before, you will be surprised by what you see.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149609]Thanks I have wechat but I don't know how to search for girls? In the past when I went China, I use scanning surrounding for chat, is this also workable in Manila?

All DIA girls last minutes. Change: 1) oh I need to go take care my family, 2) I am in HK now, 3) I need to take care someone as he is sick all these BS etc! Why don't they just go straight ask for an amount for what services! Filipina pussy really make me crazy in mind. It in my cock!

So, really have to find back up!

For La cafe girls, is php 1500-2000 for ST is high or low? For LT I guess around 3,000? Ang advise?

I wish to try bar girls in Edsa complex but heard a lot of rip off unlike in NEP in BKK.



Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Never had to use wechat in China (of course I was doing China between 2000-2010 not sure if wechat was around). I sure miss CP.

DIA / PL / FC are way fun, I always enjoy the entertainment value, but you need time and a lot of it.

The complex is a higher concentration of girls, and I do enjoy going there, but I rarely every walk out with someone.

LA cafe prices have gone up, unfortunately the quality has gone down. Price depends on what its worth to you. Generally the time makes a difference, the ST and relatively affordable prices are during the day. Baby needs milk, work mommy goes to her part time work at the cafe for a ST and goes back home. Those part timers need quick cash and cannot be away from home for long, so they try to get a score and back to being mommy. At night the prices go up as these girls have more time to be selective and they invest a bit more in their appearance so they need to get a greater return.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2149643]PHP 2,000 is about right for ST. The rate for LT is whatever you agree, but around 3,000 is okay. Most won't do LT as they need to get home. Some of the girls at LA Cafe travel up to 4 hours to get to the bar. They often have urgent bills to pay, their child is sick or need to pay for their fare back to the province etc. An amount of PHP 2,000 for a quick fuck will fix their immediate financial problem.

If you haven't been there before, you will be surprised by what you see.[/QUOTE]Thanks pal!

I been to La cafe long time ago, I am not frequent in Philippine so the gap is quite a while so may be things chance by now.

Just don't have the guts to get into Edsa conplex due to reported of rip off cases.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2149704]

LA cafe prices have gone up, unfortunately the quality has gone down. Price depends on what its worth to you.[/QUOTE]Agree. I did a few rounds here last month and it had nothing but dregs. Worst I've ever seen at LA.

The expensive tease karaoke joints just down the road has all the lookers. Really nice quality babes for outrageous prices, though.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2149764]
The expensive tease karaoke joints just down the road has all the lookers. Really nice quality babes for outrageous prices, though.[/QUOTE]Like how much?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2149887]Like how much?[/QUOTE]Sit down bars are charged by the time.

Usually there are packages you can buy it is usually advertised outside or the touts have the menu card.

You can buy a set and it is good for a certain amount of time, but the girls that sit with you are charged by time either on your bill or drinks per set time.

Taking out is possible but you have to negotiate that with the girl, and that is after she is done work or on her time off.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149609]Thanks I have wechat but I don't know how to search for girls? In the past when I went China, I use scanning surrounding for chat, is this also workable in Manila?
[/QUOTE]Click on Discover and then People Nearby. And be sure that Location is set to 'On' on your phone.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2149713]Thanks pal!

Just don't have the guts to get into Edsa conplex due to reported of rip off cases.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]I'd be interested in hearing about EDSA Complex rip off cases. I've been going there for years and never had a problem, just like NEP. In fact, I'd say you are more likely to be ripped off by a free Lancer since she can just disappear (or turn out to be a ladyboy; unlike NEP, there are only girls at EDSA). I've met several sweet hearts there over the years and recently had a fun little threesome. Since the girls are paid after the deed, it is low risk to you. Like I said before, be sure to go into the EDSA Complex, not the Urbanite club to the left of it. They both have their own entrances off the street. The mamasans and girls will come up and ask to buy them drinks but just tell them you are only looking now. Take your time and choose your own girl. It is really laid back. The best time to get there is between 8-9 pm. I arrived after midnight last night and the pickings were slim, or should I say "fat". How can a girl be both too skinny and too fat?

Cotton Club in EDSA has made a turn around over the last year and still had some lookers available last night.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2150021]EDSA Complex <snip> I've been going there for years and never had a problem <snip> I've met several sweet hearts there over the years and recently had a fun little threesome. Since the girls are paid after the deed, it is low risk to you. Like I said before, be sure to go into the EDSA Complex, not the Urbanite club to the left of it. Take your time and choose your own girl. It is really laid back. The best time to get there is between 8-9 pm. I arrived after midnight last night and the pickings were slim, or should I say "fat". How can a girl be both too skinny and too fat?

Cotton Club in EDSA has made a turn around over the last year and still had some lookers available last night.[/QUOTE]This describes my experiences thru the years at EDSA as well. It is a great place. I highly recommend it. Roughly & very approximately, think of Burgos as Manila's version of Cowboy and EDSA as Manila's version of Nana. Thus these two locations comprise Manila's Go Go scene and it is pretty good. Overall I think you will find the selection here is far better than what you will find at LA Cafe or Cafe Havana.

Of course if money is no object you can always try the international clubs ie the large KTV style nightclubs like Air Force One. In reality most AF 1 girls are not worth their hefty price, but I tell you true, I have seen a few real 8.5* stunners, actual model quality girls dancing in the international bars. I remember one gorgeous girl in particular from a couple of years back who was very friendly to me if you know what I mean, but there is no guarantee these high end night club girls will shag you even at their bar's astronomic price levels. These Manila international clubs are in the same league as BKK G-Clubs like the Pimp Club and Sherbet. In essence they are very different and yet very similar at the same time.

So in the end, how you spend the night is up to you. All I know is Manila has great girls in a variety of venues and price points.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2150021]I'd be interested in hearing about EDSA Complex rip off cases. I've been going there for years and never had a problem, just like NEP. In fact, I'd say you are more likely to be ripped off by a free Lancer since she can just disappear (or turn out to be a ladyboy; unlike NEP, there are only girls at EDSA). I've met several sweet hearts there over the years and recently had a fun little threesome. Since the girls are paid after the deed, it is low risk to you. Like I said before, be sure to go into the EDSA Complex, not the Urbanite club to the left of it. They both have their own entrances off the street. The mamasans and girls will come up and ask to buy them drinks but just tell them you are only looking now. Take your time and choose your own girl. It is really laid back. The best time to get there is between 8-9 pm. I arrived after midnight last night and the pickings were slim, or should I say "fat". How can a girl be both too skinny and too fat?

Cotton Club in EDSA has made a turn around over the last year and still had some lookers available last night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, with it, I will give it a try if my sales lady don't appear or not my taste then. Can you advise how much the barfine? And how much the rate for ST & LT? , Is the barfine pay upfront? As you said the payment made for the girls after deeds?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2150028]This describes my experiences thru the years at EDSA as well. It is a great place. I highly recommend it. Roughly & very approximately, think of Burgos as Manila's version of Cowboy and EDSA as Manila's version of Nana. These two locations comprise Manila's Go Go scene and it is pretty good. Overall I think you will find the selection here is far better than what you will find at LA Cafe or Cafe Havana.

Of course if money is no object you can always try the international clubs ie the large KTV style nightclubs like Air Force One. In reality most AF 1 girls are not worth the big price, but I tell you true, I have seen a few actual stunners, 8.5*, real model quality girls dancing in the international bars. I remember one gorgeous girl in particular from a couple of years back who was very friendly to me if you know what I mean, but there is no guarantee these high end night club girls will shag you even at their bar's astronomic price levels. These international clubs are in the same league as BKK G-Clubs like the Pimp Club and Sherbet. In essence they are very different and yet very similar at the same time.

So in the end, how you spend the night is up to you. I wish all good luck hunting. Manila has great girls in a variety of venues and price points.[/QUOTE]Oh my God, these info come a little late to me, I should booked my stay at Manila heritage instead of AG new world Manila bay hotel. Much wonder how are is AG to Edsa complex?

Any advise on the rate ST & LT and rules at EDSA complex?

Cheers,

MD.

I had a 1 night layover in Manila. Stayed at the AG New World Hotel on Pedro Gil. Its a decent hotel, decent price (about $100 USD including taxes and fees). Location is less than 5 minutes walk to beach, Robinson Mall and LA Cafe. I would recommend.

I arrived after dark, and was a bit cautious. As soon as I left my hotel, there were 4 or 5 guys offering me girls. The surrounding area looked a bit rundown, but was actually quite safe.

I checked Robinson's Mall. Its pretty large. I had a hard time finding the Burger King that is supposed to be the area for freelancers. When I did find it, there did not seem to be much action. Over by the Starbucks I did see a few working girls.

Walked over to LA Cafe and was propositioned by a few ladyboys in the area, and a few drugged out Streetwalkers.

Arrived at LA Cafe around 9 pm. It was packed, but a Finnish guy allowed me to join at his table. Over the next 3 hours, I had about 6 drinks + a few lady drinks for a total of about 1100 pesos. Lots of girls in the place, but most were hard core veterans. There were a few girls that fit my type (slim, under 25, tall). One of them was smiling at me, but by the time I got over to her, some other guy zoomed in. The others did not seem interested.

Overall, had a decent time at LA cafe.

Hit EDSA complex. Can't remember the names of the places, but there was ok (not great) talent. Was quoted 3 k - 6 k. The 6 k were long time.

Unfortunately, went home empty handed as nothing really tickled my fancy.

Overall, I was disappointed because if there other bars or clubs near LA cafe, I could not find them.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2150052]Oh my God, these info come a little late to me, I should booked my stay at Manila heritage instead of AG new world Manila bay hotel. Much wonder how are is AG to Edsa complex?

Any advise on the rate ST & LT and rules at EDSA complex?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]New World Bay Hotel is not far from EDSA. I mean, it isn't within walking distance like Heritage (where I'm currently staying) but depending on traffic, I'd guess it is about a 20 minute taxi ride, uber shows 231 pesos. Besides the location and price, Heritage doesn't have a lot going for it. It is a bit rundown nowadays.

The standard operating procedure is to point out a girl you like to the mamasan, and buy her a drink. You will answer and ask the standard 5 questions. Where you from, how old are you, are you married, where you stay, and how long you stay. Be playful and happy, no one likes a sour puss. If there is chemistry, ask her if she does long time or short time, and how much; you can discuss and negotiate any <must do like uncovered BJ which is pretty standard. Most insist on a condom. You should expect 2000-3000ST and 4000 LT, but LT is hard to find now which is ok for me as I prefer to sleep alone. You pay this amount to the girl after the deed. You pay 2000 to the bar to take her out. Short time is generally 2 hours, 1 pop. Long time is 4 hours, 2 pops. Just ask the girl.

The only rip offs are avoidable. The food menu that is walked around and offered is way overpriced, but convenient. The taxis that wait outside will give you a flat rate 2-5 times what a metered cab will cost; you can always flag down one of the many passing cabs and ask him to use the meter. Generally speaking, cabs waiting outside any entertainment venues are rip offs. Again, avoid the Urbanites club just to the left. Or if you do go in, update us!

Has anyone gone to the Bullets VIP club in EDSA complex? Are the girls any better? Is there a cover?

I just answered my own question. There is no cover at bullet bar. I'the call it a lounge. There were a couple ladies singing karaoke and the mamassn said a band would be on shortly. Comfortable couches circling the stage. About 10 well dressed lady hostesses, nothing to write home about though. A San Miguel was the standard price of 145 pesos.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2150052]
Any advise on the rate ST & LT and rules at EDSA complex?
Cheers,
MD.[/QUOTE]The barfine is or was 1950 p when I was last at Cotton Club, my favorite EDSA bar. ST is usually around 3000 to 3500p / LT is usually around 4500 to 5000p ballpark figures only. Use these figures as a rough guide.

My advice regarding ST / LT is to book ST for your 1st tryst with any Manila bar girl no matter how sexy she is or how nice she is in the bar. My experience is that a girl is like a box of chocolates. You never know what youre going to find until you un cork her and get inside (have sex). If you click with a girl then most likely she will be more than willing to extend the evening and stay the night for a nominal fee, but better yet in my opinion and experience, is to let her go and go see her again in her bar a couple of nights later. She will be MOST happy to see you again when you make that surprise 2nd visit and that is when the good times really begin to roll ie the GFE: with ST dissolving into LT at no additional cost, condoms no longer being requested or required, and other GF's offered up for party party threesomes, ect ect. All you have to do is show up, be a reasonably nice guy, not too tight with the money, and the girls will make sure you get everything you want and then some. Play your cards right and you will find yourself with a load of MNL girls to play with for as long as you want.

EDSA has been a miss for me the last two nights. The two hotties I spoke with on Wednesday night in the Cotton Club have been missing in action. Just goes to show that you need to jump on an opportunity when it presents itself. My go-to girl in Pitstop quit three weeks ago. She is the only girl who could deep throat all of me and was a lot of fun in bed, I'd been seeing her for three years.

It seems a lot of the hot girls in EDSA had already been reserved for a bar fine with regular (Asian) customers. Two or three nights in EDSA is enough for me. I plan to hit Burgos tonight.

Dear All,

Have use Wechat to find people nearby function, pop up different girls contact me right away, Chat for a while And willing to come to meet me, but when I mentioned have some local friends around, suddenly they just no more response. I think these girls may be up to any kind of scammers or other intentions than just for making money for sex service render.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2150932]Dear All,

Have use Wechat to find people nearby function, pop up different girls contact me right away, Chat for a while And willing to come to meet me, but when I mentioned have some local friends around, suddenly they just no more response. I think these girls may be up to any kind of scammers or other intentions than just for making money for sex service render.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Um, what exactly do you mean with 'have some local friends around'? That you're not alone in your room? Of course this scares them off. They want sex with only one guy usually.

A more likely reason is that if you say you have local friends, they're concerned you might know their friends or family, and their P4 P activities may be a closely guarded secret.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2150932]Dear All,

Have use Wechat to find people nearby function, pop up different girls contact me right away, Chat for a while And willing to come to meet me, but when I mentioned have some local friends around, suddenly they just no more response. I think these girls may be up to any kind of scammers or other intentions than just for making money for sex service render.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2150930]My go-to girl in Pitstop quit three weeks ago. She is the only girl who could deep throat all of me and was a lot of fun in bed, I'd been seeing her for three years.[/QUOTE]Surely you were not paying a barfine and the inflated EDSA pussy price for three years though right? Please tell me you had this chick's phone number and she would come see you for 1000 or 2000 pesos each time, instead of the 5000 it costs going through the bar.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2150953]A more likely reason is that if you say you have local friends, they're concerned you might know their friends or family, and their P4 P activities may be a closely guarded secret.[/QUOTE]It is no secret at all. If I all of a sudden drive home in a new Maybach my family is going to know either I won the lottery or I have been selling drugs. And since they ain't seen me on the evening news with the winning lotto ticket...

Dirt poor chick shows up home all of a sudden able to pay a 2000 peso medical bill today and next week fix the roof, where do they think she got the money from? Sure they may want to shy away from the truth, but everybody definitely already knows what the truth is.

Thanks all for your reply.

Yes, may be I made a wrong moved by telling them I have local friends around but I did tell them they are not with me, actually, at the moment I mentioned it purposedly just to prevent them get to other objectives other than. Sex for money. As one of my friend told me that we char sometimes mix with girls on a organize group that want to extort money by suddenly their fake boyfriend or husband appeared to extort money from a guys accusing sex with her etc like that.

Anyway this is the risk may be to occur along the way.

Another we chat girls offering 10 K for 2 x sex overnight. Crazy price ha!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2151048]
Dirt poor chick shows up home all of a sudden able to pay a 2000 peso medical bill today and next week fix the roof, where do they think she got the money from?.[/QUOTE]Very presumptuous, Mr E. I know many houses that were built by very well paid waitresses and nannies. . . .

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2151055]Another we chat girls offering 10 K for 2 x sex overnight. Crazy price ha!

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Why did you ask what their terms were?

"I want this, this and this for this period and I pay this amount. " End of Discussion. If they come back with a counter offer, thank them for their time and move on. 99% of the time they will call you back within a couple of hours agreeing to everything.

I've got great results by then saying " thanks I'm ok for now. I'll call you in a couple of days. " When you do call back they won't bite the hand that feeds them again.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2151056]Very presumptuous, Mr E. I know many houses that were built by very well paid waitresses and nannies. . . .[/QUOTE]Huh? A house is not built in one day. You missed the part where I said all of a sudden. I did not say after years of saving up. This morning all she had was 50 pesos for jeepney fare. After going out a couple of hours in the evening, ALL OF A SUDDEN she has returned with 2000 pesos. Her family is not stupid enough to believe she got it from bussing tables that night. If that was the case she would buss tables every night and bring her friends and family to do it as well.

Where are these nannys or waitresses in PI that are getting paid 2000 pesos in one day?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2151093]Huh? A house is not built in one day. You missed the part where I said all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]LOL. You missed the part where I was joking.

Of course waitress tips can't buy a house, nice clothes, tattoos etc. Everyone, including mum, the uncle's, the village, knows but turns a blind eye as long as the gifts roll in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2151048]It is no secret at all. If I all of a sudden drive home in a new Maybach my family is going to know either I won the lottery or I have been selling drugs. And since they ain't seen me on the evening news with the winning lotto ticket...[/QUOTE]Well, in some states a lottery winner can remain anonymous hehehe!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2151093]Huh? A house is not built in one day. You missed the part where I said all of a sudden. I did not say after years of saving up. This morning all she had was 50 pesos for jeepney fare. After going out a couple of hours in the evening, ALL OF A SUDDEN she has returned with 2000 pesos. Her family is not stupid enough to believe she got it from bussing tables that night. If that was the case she would buss tables every night and bring her friends and family to do it as well.

Where are these nannys or waitresses in PI that are getting paid 2000 pesos in one day?[/QUOTE]I think you will find the Good G-man was being ironic. The 4 dots at the end of his statement being part of the hint.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2151062]Why did you ask what their terms were?

"I want this, this and this for this period and I pay this amount. " End of Discussion. If they come back with a counter offer, thank them for their time and move on. 99% of the time they will call you back within a couple of hours agreeing to everything.

I've got great results by then saying " thanks I'm ok for now. I'll call you in a couple of days. " When you do call back they won't bite the hand that feeds them again.[/QUOTE]This is generally good advice. Somewhere along the lines, pinxy are cultured to ask for (or try to get) *much* more than they need or are willing to service for than what they are willing to take. This goes for all manner of service, from hooking to taxi drivers. Try this (I will bet many experienced gents have done this repeatedly): Jump into a taxi and tell the driver you want to go to a place, have the driver wait for you while you are inside the business or home for about an hour, and then take you back to your starting point. Offer to let the meter run while he's waiting, and tell him you will give him some extra also for his time. Don't ask "How much?" Just wait for his first monetary offer for the job. Experienced gents will already know the driver will inflate the price by hundreds of pesos. If you counter-offer with, say, p200 less, and he quickly accepts your counter, you'll probably know that your -200 counter-offer was also too high. This initial-high-offer seems to be built into everyone there, including the province. Pinxy are highly opportunistic. One could make the case that pinoy often inflate prices for gringos, but that might be making my case also (its cultured).

Goferring also makes another good point, about walking away. Many gents simply can't. I'm not sure why. Girls in phils are a peso-a-dozen. You wouldn't go to the hardware store for a hammer (or fly across the globe for girls) and pick up the first hammer and swing it gently to see how it feels, discover it felt terrible in your hand, then walk to the counter and pay for it, right? If you found one that you liked, and knew that the store owner would dicker on the price, you wouldn't pay the price on the sticker, would you? Its possible my analogy is wrong.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2151262]You wouldn't go to the hardware store for a hammer (or fly across the globe for girls). . . Its possible my analogy is wrong.[/QUOTE]Westie, your analogy is correct.

Remember that the Philippines is the Harbour Freight of hammer stores. They have long slender hammers, short squat hammers, high speed nail guns, rusty old hammers, expensive carbon fiber hammers, locally made hammers, imported hammers, un used hammers straight from the manufacturer and broken hammers where the head is likely to fly off and kill some one!

Hell, sometimes even the saleslady selling the hammers can get the job done!

My problem is that I have often walked in, had so many options that I've been unable to choose which hammer to buy and walked out with a wheel barrow instead.

And remember, just because your buddy says it's a great hammer, doesn't mean you know how to use it properly.

Dear All,

Here is my report: late last night almost 00:30 visit EDSA Complex, check out the surrounding, girls looks much more than male customers. Hit Cotton club and some dancers on the stage with few Japanese customers and me left, seeing some girls dancing boring dance steps, after I am about to finished my bottle of Heineken and thinking to left this boring place, suddenly spot two ladies sitting on one corner, One of them smile to me, she has a big boobs, ask them to join me and buys them some drink, end up barfine the boobsy girls. She never talk about the price and I also forget to ask, take her for LT, learned that she is new to the place, well I don't give a damn as every girls normally will say that way! She give a good sex, very attentive and nice to be with. When she left this morning, I insert 4 K and she give a smile with a kiss and say good bye!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2151341]My problem is that I have often walked in, had so many options that I've been unable to choose which hammer to buy and walked out with a wheel barrow instead..[/QUOTE]+1 Now that made me laugh out loud (good thing I'm at the office alone right now!

Sorry that I posted the same query in Angeles thread but think more appropriate to post here.

Hi guys I would appreciate some help on bus transportation during holy week. My flight arrives Manila at 1 am Thursday Mar 29. And I have a flight from Clark to Cebu on Friday Mar 30 1 am. So 24 hrs is definitely adequate to ride a bus from Manila to Clark on normal days but I m not too sure about Holy week. Can anyone advise? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2151683]Sorry that I posted the same query in Angeles thread but think more appropriate to post here.

Hi guys I would appreciate some help on bus transportation during holy week. My flight arrives Manila at 1 am Thursday Mar 29. And I have a flight from Clark to Cebu on Friday Mar 30 1 am. So 24 hrs is definitely adequate to ride a bus from Manila to Clark on normal days but I m not too sure about Holy week. Can anyone advise? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't think you would have a problem with an early morning bus. If there are lines you would just get into a line for the bus as they fill up.

I don't unless why you would fly from Clark to Cebu the next day when there are flights from Manila to Cebu?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2151694]I don't think you would have a problem with an early morning bus. If there are lines you would just get into a line for the bus as they fill up.

I don't unless why you would fly from Clark to Cebu the next day when there are flights from Manila to Cebu?[/QUOTE]Maybe he wants to get his nuts of before going to Cebu. AC is the right place for that.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2151708]Maybe he wants to get his nuts of before going to Cebu. AC is the right place for that.[/QUOTE]What! I am shocked. People go to AC for that! For less than 24 hours?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2151694]I don't think you would have a problem with an early morning bus. If there are lines you would just get into a line for the bus as they fill up.

I don't unless why you would fly from Clark to Cebu the next day when there are flights from Manila to Cebu?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. My GF is in Angeles and we fly to cebu together from clark thus the ride to Angeles.

I heard of very crowded bus terminal during these holy week period as hoards of locals returning home from cities.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2151790]Thanks for the reply. My GF is in Angeles and we fly to cebu together from clark thus the ride to Angeles.

I heard of very crowded bus terminal during these holy week period as hoards of locals returning home from cities.[/QUOTE]Smarter maybe to have stayed in Manila. No need to travel to AC to get your girl. Much easier to bus her to you in Manila, saving you the trip.

Dear All,

Here is my next report. After encountered my EDSA girl, the next day my sales lady came to my hotel as planned, she is a sex machines! Stay with me at my hotel last night but whole night full of sex! I have broke my rule, fuck her uncovered. I think she is cleaned by my instinct. She has been out of sex for 3 years, hope its true but from her reaction, so thirst on sex, so wet down there, which make more sensation! She cum several times, till this morning she cum about 10 times! Huh! But I try to control as I want to enjoy her company. So I only let it cum one time. Yes, its solid 1 time vs 10 times for her.

Tonight she will be staying again in my room after finished her work at the Mall.

I am not sure if I still have energy to have sideline in the day time with La Cafe girl while she is at work.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2152143]Dear All,

Here is my next report. After encountered my EDSA girl, the next day my sales lady came to my hotel as planned, she is a sex machines! Stay with me at my hotel last night but whole night full of sex! I have broke my rule, fuck her uncovered. I think she is cleaned by my instinct. She has been out of sex for 3 years, hope its true but from her reaction, so thirst on sex, so wet down there, which make more sensation! She cum several times, till this morning she cum about 10 times! Huh! But I try to control as I want to enjoy her company. So I only let it cum one time. Yes, its solid 1 time vs 10 times for her.

Tonight she will be staying again in my room after finished her work at the Mall.

I am not sure if I still have energy to have sideline in the day time with La Cafe girl while she is at work.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Let's try to think logically.

You say, she is horny like hell. How do you think, can a girl like that stay without sex for 3 years? The answer is no. If she jumped in your bed on the first date, then she definitely behaves accordingly with other men. So it is mistake to fuck her without cover. Don't forget to test for STD when you are back home.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2151825]Smarter maybe to have stayed in Manila. No need to travel to AC to get your girl. Much easier to bus her to you in Manila, saving you the trip.[/QUOTE]Well airtickets already bought to fly from clark, and she's expecting me, just that I overlooked its on holy week.

Not planning to stay manila for a few days else might bus her to me.

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2152155]Let's try to think logically.

You say, she is horny like hell. How do you think, can a girl like that stay without sex for 3 years? The answer is no. If she jumped in your bed on the first date, then she definitely behaves accordingly with other men. So it is mistake to fuck her without cover. Don't forget to test for STD when you are back home.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reply and advise.

I saw her ID, a sales lady in the mall and the biggest one here.

The way she acted I can say that seems been for a long while didn't have sex. For sure she isn't a girl of sex for pay type. She left without asking any single money. What I am more concern is she try to take this date as some what initiate relationship. This is far more troublesome as it cost much. So my instinct now is to start cooling it down.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2152143]Dear All,

Here is my next report. After encountered my EDSA girl, the next day my sales lady came to my hotel as planned, she is a sex machines! Stay with me at my hotel last night but whole night full of sex! I have broke my rule, fuck her uncovered. I think she is cleaned by my instinct. She has been out of sex for 3 years, hope its true but from her reaction, so thirst on sex, so wet down there, which make more sensation! She cum several times, till this morning she cum about 10 times! Huh! But I try to control as I want to enjoy her company. So I only let it cum one time. Yes, its solid 1 time vs 10 times for her.

Tonight she will be staying again in my room after finished her work at the Mall.

I am not sure if I still have energy to have sideline in the day time with La Cafe girl while she is at work.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2152155]Let's try to think logically.
You say, she is horny like hell. How do you think, can a girl like that stay without sex for 3 years? The answer is no. If she jumped in your bed on the first date, then she definitely behaves accordingly with other men. So it is mistake to fuck her without cover. Don't forget to test for STD when you are back home.[/QUOTE]It is said that a man has two heads, a big one and a little one, but not enough blood to use both simultaneously. As a result, men are easy prey when the small head is buried in a hot wet snatch experiencing 10 orgasms per night. Logical thinking goes out the bedroom window as soon as Mr. Penis says, "Oh boy! This feels good! I want more of this hot wet tight slippery hole."

The brain knows that it is improbable with a high degree of confidence that a Pinay sales-lady goes without sex for 3 days, much less 3 years. First, there is only one thing Filipinas love more than unlimited rice, and that is unlimited sex! Men from around the world do not call these little honeys LBFMs, or Little Brown Fuck Monsters, for nothing.

Second, malls hire sales-ladies based on attractiveness, outgoing personality, and ability to tell customers whatever it takes to make the sale. She knows that most fellas prefer lightly used pussy to heavily used pussy. Therefore, she presented her pussy to MD, as a slightly used pussy in storage for the last 3 years. Of course, MD feels lucky to get this bargain, as 3-year drought pussy that belongs to a nymphomaniac Filipino is the stuff of legends. She shows up at his hotel and tumbles directly into bed. Then proceeds to fuck him like a rogue succubus, draining his precious bodily fluids to the extent that he doubts enough energy remains to sex other girls.

It appears that she is a pro at handling mongers. She knows that draining a monger's nuts all night is going to blunt his appetite to hunt for other pussies when she is away at work. That is a good indication that she is no stranger to fucking mongers and managing them. Shop girls at the mall meet hundreds of fellas each month. She will fuck at least a few of them to supplement her income, as she will want to purchase some of the goodies she sees at the mall every day. Many Filipino store managers and businessmen will acquaint her pussy with their cocks bareback at the nearby Sogo and Victoria Court hot sheet hotels.

Hence, he should enjoy but pecker check at the clinic is well advised upon return home. Even better, check before departure to avoid itchy urethra, penile and testicular pain, and difficulty voiding bladder on long flight home. Nothing is worse than a case of sprinkler dick at 30,000 feet, and spraying up the bulkhead instead down into the bowl.

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2152155]Let's try to think logically.

You say, she is horny like hell. How do you think, can a girl like that stay without sex for 3 years? The answer is no. If she jumped in your bed on the first date, then she definitely behaves accordingly with other men. So it is mistake to fuck her without cover. Don't forget to test for STD when you are back home.[/QUOTE]I think it's logical that she was horny as hell BECAUSE she didn't have sex for 3 years. A girl who is sex starved behaves differently than a girl who has sex regularly but is just horny all the time. Although I can't really explain the difference, it's just a feeling.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2152143]Dear All,

She has been out of sex for 3 years, hope its true
[/QUOTE]The only Olympic sport which Filipinas always win the gold medal: lying.

Don't believe this rubbish. She is a seasoned expert who wants to hook you.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2152614]The only Olympic sport which Filipinas always win the gold medal: lying.

Don't believe this rubbish. She is a seasoned expert who wants to hook you.[/QUOTE]That's possible but since you don't know her you can't be so sure. Not all of these girls are hardened lying and cheating pro's.

I'm getting really tired of all the sweeping generalizations in the Phils threads lately.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2152613]I think it's logical that she was horny as hell BECAUSE she didn't have sex for 3 years. A girl who is sex starved behaves differently than a girl who has sex regularly but is just horny all the time. Although I can't really explain the difference, it's just a feeling.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is exactly what I feel at that moment. A regular working girl with numerous sex time to time really can't fake as what she really demonstrating. Almost every single kissing will lead us to rub each other down there.

So pity these two nights she got sick due to heavy sex the other night! LOL!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2152614]The only Olympic sport which Filipinas always win the gold medal: lying.

Don't believe this rubbish. She is a seasoned expert who wants to hook you.[/QUOTE]And no matter how red-handed you catch them, they will never fess up. Ask them why they lied and they will just keep trying to duck the subject.

My $0.02. I like the Filipinas because most of them do not do the Japanese porn star moaning and groaning but really moan or groan when they are enjoying. How do I know the difference. The later just sounds more realistic and soothing to my ears. A feeling.

MD and M, the real test is did you enjoy and believe it? If so, enough said. Case closed. I know I have paid for less convincing performances at the MET. LOL!

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2152661]Yes, this is exactly what I feel at that moment. A regular working girl with numerous sex time to time really can't fake as what she really demonstrating. Almost every single kissing will lead us to rub each other down there.

So pity these two nights she got sick due to heavy sex the other night! LOL!

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2152613]I think it's logical that she was horny as hell BECAUSE she didn't have sex for 3 years. A girl who is sex starved behaves differently than a girl who has sex regularly but is just horny all the time. Although I can't really explain the difference, it's just a feeling.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2152661]Yes, this is exactly what I feel at that moment. A regular working girl with numerous sex time to time really can't fake as what she really demonstrating. Almost every single kissing will lead us to rub each other down there.

So pity these two nights she got sick due to heavy sex the other night! LOL!

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Who said she was faking? Unlike Western women, Pinays do not need to fall in love to enjoy animalistic natural sexing. It is natural for her to get soaking wet and fuck like a beast in heat with a strange cock. Your dick gets amped up to fuck a new pussy and the fresh scent of the girl is intoxicating. This high is why you monger. Well, Pinays feel this too when they fuck a new dick. Do not think only men experience the intoxicating rush of adrenaline, endorphins, dopamine, and oxytocin from fucking strangers in hotel rooms.

As for regular Pinay working girls not being able to get turned on and wanting wild repeated sex all night long, you are wrong about that. You have not met some of the wild Pinay fuck monsters working the bars. Admittedly, there are less of them around now than there were a few years ago. However, there are bar girls that will fuck you better and with more passion than any girlfriend from Europe, North America, or Australia. They scream, writhe, moan, groan, squirt and come multiple times too.

Do not think for a minute that your salesgirl was not expecting some cash from you just because she enjoyed wearing out your meat wrench. Most likely, she got too sick to return to sex you up for the other two nights because you did not give her any money in the morning after fucking her brains out, or you did not give the minimum amount she expected. She probably cancelled the encore fucks and moved on to the other fella (s) ready to put cash down on the pussy. In an environment such as Manila where many foreigners and well-heeled Filipinos are ready to give cash or replace broken cellphones for sex with an attractive fuck monster, girls are unlikely to return for nothing more than a hard fuck.

You should not count on her returning for repeat performances. In the same way your endgame is scoring free GFE pussy, her endgame is getting some pesos. Manila is full of meat wrenches she can ride for fun, so do not think yours is special. If all you sent her home with after the first night was a sore pussy, her Pinoy husband / boyfriend is not going to let her meet you again. From what you said, it looks like you blew it.

Dear All,

My short trip to Manila can be summarize as follows;.

1) EDSA complex girl: 1 , great Fucking! Big boobs young no babies, black beauty. Her first day at cotton club damaged 4 K.

2) My Sales Lady: great GFE, fucking all night long, damaged: FOC, never ask money. So sad she got sick due to over sex (LOL).

3) LA CAFE girls: only taking ST as initial intended for sideline. Damaged 1 K, 2 K, 1. 5 K All for ST, 3 different girls. Common denominator, face & body totally not parallel, meaning acceptable looks but medium to heavy birth stress mark.

Due to limited time, some suggestions location from our good friends here are unable executed. Will have it as my assignment on future trip to Manila.

Lastly, DIA girls, I have total of pre-arrange girls but only one (my Sales Lady) make a success, while the rest about 5 girls all not show up inspite of asking at least 5 K service charge. While about 2 girls asking pre send money which I immediately deleted from my wish list.

That's all folks and thanks to those brother's comments and suggestion that really help a lot.

Cheers.

MD.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2152624]I'm getting really tired of all the sweeping generalizations in the Phils threads lately.[/QUOTE]Interesting thing about sweeping generalizations: they often say as much about the generalizer as about the generalized.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2153249]Interesting thing about sweeping generalizations: they often say as much about the generalizer as about the generalized.[/QUOTE]Generally so.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2153105]Who said she was faking? Unlike Western women, Pinays do not need to fall in love to enjoy animalistic natural sexing. It is natural for her to get soaking wet and fuck like a beast in heat with a strange cock. Your dick gets amped up to fuck a new pussy and the fresh scent of the girl is intoxicating. This high is why you monger. Well, Pinays feel this too when they fuck a new dick. Do not think only men experience the intoxicating rush of adrenaline, endorphins, dopamine, and oxytocin from fucking strangers in hotel rooms.

As for regular Pinay working girls not being able to get turned on and wanting wild repeated sex all night long, you are wrong about that. You have not met some of the wild Pinay fuck monsters working the bars. Admittedly, there are less of them around now than there were a few years ago. However, there are bar girls that will fuck you better and with more passion than any girlfriend from Europe, North America, or Australia. They scream, writhe, moan, groan, squirt and come multiple times too.

Do not think for a minute that your salesgirl was not expecting some cash from you just because she enjoyed wearing out your meat wrench. Most likely, she got too sick to return to sex you up for the other two nights because you did not give her any money in the morning after fucking her brains out, or you did not give the minimum amount she expected.t.[/QUOTE]I think she is not after money for sex, may be it's an investment for her for bigger money later this is what my instinct told me. She did not come not because of no money but really pain and fever, she show me the prescription from clinic and till this morning she still chatting me and send me her nude pussy picture after my request.

It's true no sex for free, as you can see my earlier post, I am sure money come later, I just put this as a way of investment. FYI, when she is leaving after the first night, I handed her 3 K for her taxi money but she return 2 k to me saying that is already enough. We have a great time eating outside aside from sex. But as what I said, I am not expecting a free for sex, since in due time she will ask for some money to remitted to her for some reason she may make out then.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2153436]I think she is not after money for sex, may be it's an investment for her for bigger money later this is what my instinct told me. She did not come not because of no money but really pain and fever, she show me the prescription from clinic and till this morning she still chatting me and send me her nude pussy picture after my request.

It's true no sex for free, as you can see my earlier post, I am sure money come later, I just put this as a way of investment. FYI, when she is leaving after the first night, I handed her 3 K for her taxi money but she return 2 k to me saying that is already enough. We have a great time eating outside aside from sex. But as what I said, I am not expecting a free for sex, since in due time she will ask for some money to remitted to her for some reason she may make out then.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you enjoyed your first trip to ph. You experienced the good and the good, the reason we all take those long flights. And you are realistic enough to know that your sales lady is playing the long game. Just be prepared, there are few rules to this game. If you have no plans to see her again, don't play her along. If you plan on returning and want to see her again, be careful, she may be an expert.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2153436]I think she is not after money for sex, may be it's an investment for her for bigger money later this is what my instinct told me. She did not come not because of no money but really pain and fever, she show me the prescription from clinic and till this morning she still chatting me and send me her nude pussy picture after my request.

It's true no sex for free, as you can see my earlier post, I am sure money come later, I just put this as a way of investment. FYI, when she is leaving after the first night, I handed her 3 K for her taxi money but she return 2 k to me saying that is already enough. We have a great time eating outside aside from sex. But as what I said, I am not expecting a free for sex, since in due time she will ask for some money to remitted to her for some reason she may make out then.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Here is my working theory. The larger the age discrepancy, the more likely she is in it for the money. The larger the looks discrepancy, (I. E you are a 4 and she is an 8) the more likely she is in it for the money. Couple the age and looks difference together. If you are a '4' and 50 years old and she is an '8' and 20, it is all about the money. This is not a generalization. She will either play the short con (pay up front) or the long con. As an aside, I think marriage falls under the latter category, LOL.

My concern with your personal encounter is that you barebacked her. I would not be surprised if you hear "Honey, I'm pregnant" in the next month. She may 1) be lying, 2) actually be pregnant with your kid, or 3) may have already been pregnant with her boyfriends kid when you were with her. Having you pay support for a baby for 18 years (lost wages, needs food, needs school, got bit by a rabid cat, etc) is a long con and provides a certain monthly payment for her. I'm not sure where you are from, but the Philippines has legal agreements with other countries that require child support payments. In the US, the child is also entitled to SSN survivor benefits.

Did she ask you not to use a condom? How does 30 minutes of protected sex compare to 18 years of child support payments? Then add in the ethical/moral costs of having your child raised in the Philippines (no future) by a stranger.

Unless you've had a vasectomy, you really need to "wrap that rascal" to avoid the long con.

Bareback with her but not cum inside so impregnated her or her alibi being pregnant be real or by others are definitely out of the questions!

For sure this Filipina sales lady are up to something -Money! I am expecting in soonest time asking me to remit money for some emergency use (make up story for sure).

Just to check and see what she really up to. Or perhaps we all are wrong? More likely not!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2153984]Bareback with her but not cum inside so impregnated her or her alibi being pregnant be real or by others are definitely out of the questions!

For sure this Filipina sales lady are up to something -Money! I am expecting in soonest time asking me to remit money for some emergency use (make up story for sure).

Just to check and see what she really up to. Or perhaps we all are wrong? More likely not!

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Please let us know how it turns out.

Sounds like the withdrawal method; which has been proven many times over as being not effective at preventing pregnancy. Great for population growth. Not sure where you are from, but you should try to learn a little bit about contraception.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2153984]Bareback with her but not cum inside so impregnated her or her alibi being pregnant be real or by others are definitely out of the questions![/QUOTE]I would not count on the Filipina to do the contraception. I asked one if she knew where the blood from the period comes from. Sure, she replied, from the clitoris. Facepalm while trying to keep a straight face.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2154076]Sounds like the withdrawal method; which has been proven many times over as being not effective at preventing pregnancy. Great for population growth. Not sure where you are from, but you should try to learn a little bit about contraception.

I would not count on the Filipina to do the contraception. I asked one if she knew where the blood from the period comes from. Sure, she replied, from the clitoris. Facepalm while trying to keep a straight face.[/QUOTE]Actually, it's not withdrawal method, ok let me elaborate the whole scenario, I fuck her bareback but I didn't cum inside just to have pleasure with uncovered flesh to flesh and let my cock dip inside her wet warm pussy hole.

When I decide to let it explode and cum I pull out my cock then covered and explode with condom on.

Sorry for not go into details ever since.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2154029]Please let us know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]Surely will report back!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2154076]Sounds like the withdrawal method; which has been proven many times over as being not effective at preventing pregnancy. Great for population growth. Not sure where you are from, but you should try to learn a little bit about contraception.[/QUOTE]I remember hearing it was about as effective as condoms if you did it right. Link from google - [URL]https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ywmm9k/pulling-out-is-as-effective-as-using-condoms[/URL] it mentions a 2014 study but I have no idea if there are others showing the same thing.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2154232]I remember hearing it was about as effective as condoms if you did it right. Link from google - [URL]https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ywmm9k/pulling-out-is-as-effective-as-using-condoms[/URL] it mentions a 2014 study but I have no idea if there are others showing the same thing.[/QUOTE]I hope Macho Dik has not given too much of his identity to his sales lady friend, because his form of contraception has a risk associated with it.

To my mind, 4% is still a risk. The only sure fire contraceptive method that can withstand any form of challenge is a vasectomy, provided it too has been checked as successful at least a month after the operation.

If the sales lady does contact him with a story of pregnancy he cannot be certain that it is not his spawn that did the deed (especially if she really is as pure and innocent as he assumed).

There are lots of articles around about withdrawal viz: [URL]https://www.ippf.org/blogs/myths-and-facts-about-withdrawal[/URL].

All of them admit to some form of risk associated with the pre-cum juice.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2154252]I hope Macho Dik has not given too much of his identity to his sales lady friend, because his form of contraception has a risk associated with it.

To my mind, 4% is still a risk. The only sure fire contraceptive method that can withstand any form of challenge is a vasectomy, provided it too has been checked as successful at least a month after the operation.

If the sales lady does contact him with a story of pregnancy he cannot be certain that it is not his spawn that did the deed (especially if she really is as pure and innocent as he assumed).

There are lots of articles around about withdrawal viz: [URL]https://www.ippf.org/blogs/myths-and-facts-about-withdrawal[/URL].

All of them admit to some form of risk associated with the pre-cum juice.[/QUOTE]I would hope he along with others would not run but take responsibility for fatherhood. Disgusting to me when a man doesn't take responsibility for his creation.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2154260]Disgusting to me when a man doesn't take responsibility for his creation.[/QUOTE]And sort of puts to lie the frequent refrain in this forum that it is the Pinays who deceive and lie.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2154268]And sort of puts to lie the frequent refrain in this forum that it is the Pinays who deceive and lie.[/QUOTE]Respectfully disagree. Everyone lies at times. Lying seems to be done more regularly (and is more frequently forgiven) among Pilipino. Pinoy comedian Mikey Bustos even does an entire skit about it. However it certainly doesn't help when mongers deceive (the pot calling the kettle black).

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2154260]I would hope he along with others would not run but take responsibility for fatherhood. Disgusting to me when a man doesn't take responsibility for his creation.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree Dg.

I noted that in my post #16194 it might have looked like I hoped he was able to avoid responsibility but in fact I hope he is prepared to man up.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2154252]
To my mind, 4% is still a risk.[/QUOTE]Sure, it's still a risk but only a small one. A woman is only 6 days fertile in each of her cycles, and each cycle has 28 days on average. And of those 6 days she's the least fertile in the first 3 days and the most fertile in the last 3 days.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2154194]Actually, it's not withdrawal method, ok let me elaborate the whole scenario, I fuck her bareback but I didn't cum inside just to have pleasure with uncovered flesh to flesh and let my cock dip inside her wet warm pussy hole.

When I decide to let it explode and cum I pull out my cock then covered and explode with condom on.

Sorry for not go into details ever since.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]That may be the reason she stopped seeing you; you squelched her long-con so no need for her to waste her time.

OK, lets call it the MD method. It is still a risk. IMHO, I would not rely on it.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2154194]Actually, it's not withdrawal method, ok let me elaborate the whole scenario, I fuck her bareback but I didn't cum inside just to have pleasure with uncovered flesh to flesh and let my cock dip inside her wet warm pussy hole.

When I decide to let it explode and cum I pull out my cock then covered and explode with condom on.

Sorry for not go into details ever since.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2154445]Sure, it's still a risk but only a small one. A woman is only 6 days fertile in each of her cycles, and each cycle has 28 days on average. And of those 6 days she's the least fertile in the first 3 days and the most fertile in the last 3 days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2154390]I absolutely agree Dg.

I noted that in my post #16194 it might have looked like I hoped he was able to avoid responsibility but in fact I hope he is prepared to man up.[/QUOTE]No problem RK. My comment was intended for dead beat sperm donors and would be donors.

I recently had a 3 night DIA romp in Manila. I had some leave and was able to get a good-priced stay at the Sofitel on Manila Bay. I put in some spade work on DIA, putting it quite straightforwardly that I was a fairly fit and frisky 60 yr old businessman, coming to Manila for a few days and wanted to meet a young chubby up to 30 yrs old and would be at The Sofitel. I got some takers and had a narrowed field of 3 pretty ready by the time I landed. The first girl I called, Hunny, turned out great.

I should say that I have found DIA very good. On my profile I tell it like it is. I am old , in town for few days only, staying at the Sofitel. Anyone who replies is in no doubt about what I want, I guess. I have had very good fucks trawling in the early morning, and inviting whoever is online to come over for breakfast. Once I had a girl in my room not 30 minutes after contact. Another time I had 3 'Yesses' in 5 minutes flat. It does work.

Anyway, Hunny. 26, kind of chubby and firm – which I like – nice sized, rounded tits, milk coffee skin. Comes over after lunch and we hop straight into the shower for a friendly, soapy getting to know you fuck. She jammed her hands against the wall and thrust out her meaty bum, looking over her shoulder at me with a smouldering 'do me' look. Now being taller than her, I had to bend my knees and angle up into her pussy. That's really good because you can get a nice long and deep stroke going as well as rub up against her g-spot. That happened, and she told me later she had an orgasm while I was only a few strokes into fucking her.

The action then moved to the bed – they have generously sized and comfy beds at Sofitel. Hunny really turned it on here. She was a 100% top talent at below the waist tongue work, let me tell you. Not one part missed out on her luscious lipped kisses and sucks, probing tongue and delicate little strategic teeth nips. She worked every part slow and long. When I felt like a bit of DATY, Hunny lay back, put her hands behind her knees to spread herself wide, her gorgeous holes opening up like a couple of lovely flowers greeting the morning sun. I alternated between licking and fingering pussy and a-hole and fucken fingered and licked and sucked her so deep I swear I could taste yesterday's semen! Hehe. By then I knew Hunny was 3 hole trooper, and that night I duly fucked each hole.

Next morning she said she had to go home feed her kids. OK, first mention of those. I gave her 6 K. She couldn't believe it, and, surprise, surprise, agreed to come back that night!  She turned up looking a million bucks. New dress, new hair, salon for make-up, the works. She looked gorgeous and horny and I fucked her then and there, bent over the bed and dress lifted up at the back. She had perfumed her pussy and a-hole too. We went out to a pricey restaurant and played Mr and Mrs. After that to an exxie jazz club with lots of loaded locals and a few whites. I could tell other guys were looking at her, then me, and trying to work us out. Guys wanted her, I could tell that. And she flirted a bit too. It was an exciting and horny night. I wanted her to suck me in the cab back, but she demurred. Bummer! We made excellent love that night, excited and playful and sensual and long. I kissed her deeply with real emotion a lot. Oh, oh.

The cold light of day cured what may have been emerging, as I assured myself I was just fucking a DIA working girl, now get on with it! Hunny again had to go home to the kids, and I said, come back this afternoon and bring a friend. She was a bit taken aback but agreed. That arvo she turned up with Mari, a 31 yr old shopping mall ****, very dark, thin spinner-type bod but good, big but slightly saggy tits, like a pair of eggplants stuck on her chest. I tried to get Hunny into bed first, but she said, "Fuck her. I bring her. " Mari had no qualms, started a bit of BBBJ, and then I just pushed her down onto the bed and proceeded to fuck her missionary. Hunny turned on the tv and started watching one of those execrable soapies and slurped on a Pepsi. I finished off by covering Mari's big aubergines with a decent layer of cream sauce. She seemed amazed by this and started to rub the cum in all over her tits, belly and up into her pussy, walking around the room and onto the balcony, kind of laughing weirdly and saying repeatedly "he blow on my tits, he come on my tits" in broken English.

After that, things went downhill a bit, because Hunny wouldn't fuck me in front of Mari and we had a kind of stand-off until I enticed her into the bathroom and fucked her again in the shower. That was long after we had ordered up an expensive room service meal, and they, natch ordered the most expensive things on the menu. While I fucked Hunny in the shower, Mari also raided the mini-bar. Much later that night, I got a cowgirl out of Mari while Hunny slept.

Next morning, I gave Hunny another 6 k – I know! While we were having a coffee, Mari started to get flirty and stroked me through my shorts and said she wanted to stay. I thought about getting one last BBBJ from her, but decided, 'Naah. ' I shooed them out of the room.

With a late flight, I organized late check-out, had a swim and a snooze then a long and large meal in the coffee shop. I chatted up one of the waitresses, Esmy, 24 yrs old, and gave her my card. She asked for another one and came back with her full name and all of her contact details written on the back. Hmm, for sure they can't fraternise with guests, but if I stayed at another hotel, the Pan Pacific is meant to be nice, and made a phone call.

All up DIA has worked for me quite well, although some hours can be spent on it initially. Best to be direct, you will almost always get a taker and I like the thrill of appreciating the difference between the online and the actual. Though I didn't do it on the trip described above, trawling DIA in Manila for early morning fucks, I. E. Around 6 am has worked well for me in the past and somehow seems more exciting.

Dear All,

Nice to see a long discussions over my encounter w / my sales lady. Anyway, last night I recieved a Viber message from my cotton club girl that send a nice greetings and friendly message.

Generally speaking, I think Filipina are in nature kind hearted, their being lying, money digger or even opportunistic should be environmental induce factors, actually, they majority loose trust on man should be credited to their Filipino boyfriend that left them once they got pregnant! Their being gold digger should be blame to us mongers that either pass them that habit for easy money or simply use money for trade.

I am sure all of us has his own stories to tell! Happy mongering to all!

Cheers,

MD.

I think women are the same the world over. Some guys are just nicer or stupid. Had friends where the wives, professionals with nice six digit salaries, hang on after separating once the news on male friends' fast approaching appointment with the grim reaper. They move in after the friend in gone and starts manipulating the kids and the vast estates.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2154710]Generally speaking, I think Filipina are in nature kind hearted, their being lying, money digger or even opportunistic should be environmental induce factors, actually, they majority loose trust on man should be credited to their Filipino boyfriend that left them once they got pregnant! Their being gold digger should be blame to us mongers that either pass them that habit for easy money or simply use money for trade.[/QUOTE]

Somewhere in the forum it was suggested that documents can be copied in Quaipo.

Well I was surprised just how easy it was.

I was able to obtain a copy of my non-existent Ph Drivers Licence. Now doing a side by side comparison to my partner's legitimate licence I can't tell the difference.

I selected Organ Donor. I just hope they wait until I"m definitely going to be dead soon.

If you are doing business in any way or any capacity in Philippines I do suggest a visit to this area. You will simply never trust any Philippines 'official' document again.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2157111]Somewhere in the forum it was suggested that documents can be copied in Quaipo.

Well I was surprised just how easy it was.

I was able to obtain a copy of my non-existent Ph Drivers Licence. Now doing a side by side comparison to my partner's legitimate licence I can't tell the difference.

I selected Organ Donor. I just hope they wait until I"m definitely going to be dead soon.

If you are doing business in any way or any capacity in Philippines I do suggest a visit to this area. You will simply never trust any Philippines 'official' document again.

BD.[/QUOTE]I got a few ivy league diplomas and a pilots license last time.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2155017]I think women are the same the world over. Some guys are just nicer or stupid. Had friends where the wives, professionals with nice six digit salaries, hang on after separating once the news on male friends' fast approaching appointment with the grim reaper. They move in after the friend in gone and starts manipulating the kids and the vast estates.[/QUOTE]Of course women are the same all over the world. Cultural differences, etc. Are what make a difference.

Arriving Manila tomorrow (Sun 25th) and staying until Thurs 29th in Makati.

Let me know if anyone is up for beers or looking for a wingman.

Note: posted here on purpose as the Travel thread seems to be no where near as popular.

Cheers.

RK reported in November that regular white taxis can now pick up passengers at NAIA. I observed at Terminal Three that they wait at an outer ring driveway away from the terminal and out toward the Skyway. Can anybody report whether they are also now allowed at Terminal One, and, if so, where they wait? An obvious place would be in the parking lot that's out past the various booths selling food, sim cards, etc. Thanks in advance for information. Soapy.

Hello everyone,

Will be coming to Manila on the 8th. Not sure in which area I should stay, so any advice would be appreciated. Just want to relax and have a nice and cheap vacation with loads of sex. If anyone wants to join me let me know.

Go to Makati / Burgos and / or Malate / LA Cafe. Read the respective forums for more details.

[QUOTE=SigkaPouro;2158940]Will be coming to Manila on the 8th. Not sure in which area I should stay, so any advice would be appreciated. Just want to relax and have a nice and cheap vacation with loads of sex. If anyone wants to join me let me know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2154390]I absolutely agree Dg.

I noted that in my post #16194 it might have looked like I hoped he was able to avoid responsibility but in fact I hope he is prepared to man up.[/QUOTE]The majority of mongers would disagree with the idea that they are on the hook if the hooker they paid to service them decides not to use birth control and became knocked up while conducting business. That is like saying the passenger is on the hook for the medical bills and damages suffered whenever their taxi driver decides to drive recklessly without insurance and crashes. Most mongers are fucking prostitutes precisely because they do not want the responsibility of providing long-term support for a woman and children. Prostitutes opt for immediate upfront payment for sex with the understanding that the monger is not going to stick around to play accidental daddy and family man.

Otherwise, the monger may as well get a real girlfriend or wife who has not fucked hundreds or thousands of mongers. Paying to start a family with a random hooker who decided to hook herself 18 to 21 years of payments is beyond foolish. Hookers themselves know this and target soft fellas for pregnancy scams. If mongers are liable for pregnancies and STDs, they had better be sure that they only fuck licensed insured and bonded prostitutes. Someone would make a fortune selling accidental pregnancy and child support insurance coverage to mongers with extremely high premiums for bareback and un-vasectomized mongers.

[QUOTE=SigkaPouro;2158940]Hello everyone,

Will be coming to Manila on the 8th. Not sure in which area I should stay, so any advice would be appreciated. Just want to relax and have a nice and cheap vacation with loads of sex. If anyone wants to join me let me know.[/QUOTE]I'll be there from the 5th, pm me if you need info.

0/2 with freelancers here. One from LA Cafe and the other from Burglos street. I just feel so rushed with these girls I can't enjoy it. I understand they're working and have no interest in me but god damn pretend. First one wouldn't make out with me (light unenjoyable kissing "no experience") even though I said that I wanted it beforehand. I know some won't do it so I always bring it up. Then she tried to say we agreed to 2000ST not LT. Maybe she would have heard right if she fucking paid attention when I was talking to her. She wasn't my first choice but the two of the three girls I tried to talk to before her showed 0 interest and the other wanted 2500ST. I should have countered 2500-3000 LT in hindsight or grabbed her number in case she was free later. Anyway she was also gross as some skin on her feet were flaking off and she was texting her BF while in my room. Gave her 500 p and kicked her out. The 2nd was a massage from a girl who also didn't want to kiss me with tongue despite me making it clear I wanted it. I actually talked to her a bit before we got to my room and I could tell she wasn't interested in what I had to say but she at least put in an effort and fake laughed at some points so I figured she'd put in some effort. Massage was shit (but not the point so not a big deal) and she was on her period. I only asked her once when she was in my room and she pretended not to hear me. That's a rookie mistake on me I guess. I should have pressed it. I only knew to ask by reading the thread. Another bad time. I did fuck her (briefly) so I tried to give her 1500 p instead of 2000 p since it was a shit time but she wouldn't budge so I gave her 2000. I wanted her gone. She even tried to take a water on the way out. I wish I went to Bangkok. I'm on Day 3 hoping to finally blow a load here. It's not perfect but I've had some great massages there. I'll try wechat for today since everything is closed and I'm hoping when I get to Angeles city I'll have a better time. Anyway it's good to vent. For other newbies like me make sure to build a better rapport (I did the 2nd time but I think this is still useful), confirm what they will do (even though they will still lie), and ask if they are on their period. Also I'm not attractive but I'm neither old, ugly, or socially retarded (don't hold these last two days against me I'm still learning haha).

[QUOTE=Free2;2139417]Its great having Rizal Ave close by. When I want an immediate release, there is always a LBFM available (SW) ready to please. They ask for 1000ST. I give it to them. They sometimes ask for something (300 php) for the mamasan, some don't. Kamagong hotel is great for 1 - 2 HR stays. Some girls look real skanky, some are drugged out, I ignored those because I was always able to find (surprisingly) a normal, clean LOOKING girl who may as well have been picked up from SKOUT or something.

One night I got the tricycle driver to slowly prowl the 2 sides of Rizal Ave while I kept an eye out for a SW. I saw a slightly chubby (but not fat) 24 year old who looked sweet and very nicely dressed. After negotiating the mamasan down from 1500 to 1000ST, we start heading to the trike to go back to my hotel (not to Kamagong). Damn the mamasan wants to accompany the girl (which I hate).

When we get back to the tricycle, I see a skinny (like 80 lbs skinny) , roughly 21 year old girl standing right by the tricycle. I switch gears fast, offer her 1000ST, and tell her to get into the tricycle. The mamasan starts arguing with me, but I wave her off and tell the driver to go immediately. Without ID, the hotel guard just made her write her name and sign and all was good. Another time, a girl I brought (a regular) who had no ID, the guards just took a photo of her upon leaving to make them happy! No girl has ever been refused entry.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of my time in Cebu years ago. I'd stroll around Junquera in Colon after going to the bars nearby, sometimes just talking with the pedicab drivers until it was time to make rounds or when the girls would appear. Prices were a little lower, 400-800st. 1300 for LT.

I was thinking Ermita would be similar but when I read up on reports it seems not to be the case. I would appreciate any more specifics on places around Rizal Ave where I might start.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2158471]RK reported in November that regular white taxis can now pick up passengers at NAIA. I observed at Terminal Three that they wait at an outer ring driveway away from the terminal and out toward the Skyway. Can anybody report whether they are also now allowed at Terminal One, and, if so, where they wait? [/QUOTE]In the unlikely event that anybody cares, here are the answers to my questions.

Yes, regular white taxis are now allowed to pick up passengers at the arrival level of Terminal One.

As you go outside the doors just past the customs counters and money changers, yellow cabs are, as always, to the immediate left. If you proceed across the first three or four lanes of roadway, turn right on the island divider, and regular white taxis are a short distance to the right on the second couple lanes of roadway. A sign reads "Regular Taxis" or something similar. Grab also has a station there, but since there were regular cabs available, and having read RK's report about cheaper fares with regular cabs than with Grab, I took a regular cab. This was at noon on Thursday. The meter worked fine, and the fare to the southern part of Malate was 140 pesos. How many places in the world can you get a taxi for those prices? YMMV for evening arrivals.

The more expensive coupon taxis still wait at the lower level down the long ramps to the next roadway. The only justifications for using them are that you almost never have to wait for one, they have larger cargo space if you are in a multiple party with more luggage, or some SYT is waiting for you among the Filipino masses beyond the fence of the waiting area. I can't imagine they are happy about regular white cabs siphoning off business.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2160282]0/2 with freelancers here. One from LA Cafe and the other from Burglos street. I just feel so rushed with these girls I can't enjoy it. I understand they're working and have no interest in me but god damn pretend. First one wouldn't make out with me (light unenjoyable kissing "no experience") even though I said that I wanted it beforehand. I know some won't do it so I always bring it up. Then she tried to say we agreed to 2000ST not LT. Maybe she would have heard right if she fucking paid attention when I was talking to her. She wasn't my first choice but the two of the three girls I tried to talk to before her showed 0 interest and the other wanted 2500ST. I should have countered 2500-3000 LT in hindsight or grabbed her number in case she was free later. Anyway she was also gross as some skin on her feet were flaking off and she was texting her BF while in my room. Gave her 500 p and kicked her out. The 2nd was a massage from a girl who also didn't want to kiss me with tongue despite me making it clear I wanted it. I actually talked to her a bit before we got to my room and I could tell she wasn't interested in what I had to say but she at least put in an effort and fake laughed at some points so I figured she'd put in some effort. Massage was shit (but not the point so not a big deal) and she was on her period. I only asked her once when she was in my room and she pretended not to hear me. That's a rookie mistake on me I guess. I should have pressed it. I only knew to ask by reading the thread. Another bad time. I did fuck her (briefly) so I tried to give her 1500 p instead of 2000 p since it was a shit time but she wouldn't budge so I gave her 2000. I wanted her gone. She even tried to take a water on the way out. I wish I went to Bangkok. I'm on Day 3 hoping to finally blow a load here. It's not perfect but I've had some great massages there. I'll try wechat for today since everything is closed and I'm hoping when I get to Angeles city I'll have a better time. Anyway it's good to vent. For other newbies like me make sure to build a better rapport (I did the 2nd time but I think this is still useful), confirm what they will do (even though they will still lie), and ask if they are on their period. Also I'm not attractive but I'm neither old, ugly, or socially retarded (don't hold these last two days against me I'm still learning haha).[/QUOTE]Go to Kojax off Burgos Street (if they are closed that day, the sister bar xoxo downstairs will be open), or EDSA Entertainment in Pasay. Pay a little but more, and knock that first lay out of your system. You'll be able to take your time and make better decisions with other girls afterwards. I've never taken free lancers off the street, although I did pick up a couple of "cousins" in LA Cafe for a delightful threesome.

Your experience in Manila mirrors my last experience in Bangkok 7 years or so ago. I didn't have any better luck in AC on my first and only go, three years ago (2 nights there). I was thinking, damn I'm so ugly I can't get laid in an AC *****house. Sometimes you just have a bad run going.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2160352]In the unlikely event that anybody cares, here are the answers to my questions.

Yes, regular white taxis are now allowed to pick up passengers at the arrival level of Terminal One.

As you go outside the doors just past the customs counters and money changers, yellow cabs are, as always, to the immediate left. If you proceed across the first three or four lanes of roadway, turn right on the island divider, and regular white taxis are a short distance to the right on the second couple lanes of roadway. A sign reads "Regular Taxis" or something similar. Grab also has a station there, but since there were regular cabs available, and having read RK's report about cheaper fares with regular cabs than with Grab, I took a regular cab. This was at noon on Thursday. The meter worked fine, and the fare to the southern part of Malate was 140 pesos. How many places in the world can you get a taxi for those prices? YMMV for evening arrivals.

The more expensive coupon taxis still wait at the lower level down the long ramps to the next roadway. The only justifications for using them are that you almost never have to wait for one, they have larger cargo space if you are in a multiple party with more luggage, or some SYT is waiting for you among the Filipino masses beyond the fence of the waiting area. I can't imagine they are happy about regular white cabs siphoning off business.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I will be looking for the White taxis on my next trip there landing at T1. I have had my fill of the Yellow taxis.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2160282]0/2 with freelancers here.[/QUOTE]My experiences with FLs haven't been great either, unless you count the one who didn't even make it to work (in a Burgos bar) and agreed to come with me instead, so no barfine.

It's not to everybody's taste but I like Flight 168 near the airport. I've no idea about kissing since I'm not in to that, but at least you ought to get a reasonable massage and a decent shag. Damage would be very roughly P1500 each for the room and the girl (ie 3 k, or 4. 5 k for 2 girls).

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2160421]Thanks for the info. I will be looking for the White taxis on my next trip there landing at T1. I have had my fill of the Yellow taxis.[/QUOTE]Don't rule out any options Dg.

You don't know what the scene will be when you land.

There might be zero white taxis and a line of yellow ones at the time that you arrive, so be prepared to shift gears if required.

There has been some very bad press lately about taxis at the airport because a tourist blogger video'd a taxi driver who tried to scam her for a fixed fee trip (using laminated price lists etc). It was all laid out for everyone to see, and of course the outrage from the President down was extensive.

President has threatened to once again exclude white taxis from the airport if they start the gouging caper again.

Riders are again being urged to report errant drivers.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2160580]Don't rule out any options Dg.

You don't know what the scene will be when you land.

There might be zero white taxis and a line of yellow ones at the time that you arrive, so be prepared to shift gears if required.

There has been some very bad press lately about taxis at the airport because a tourist blogger video'd a taxi driver who tried to scam her for a fixed fee trip (using laminated price lists etc). It was all laid out for everyone to see, and of course the outrage from the President down was extensive.

President has threatened to once again exclude white taxis from the airport if they start the gouging caper again.

Riders are again being urged to report errant drivers.[/QUOTE]Good advice. I laugh every time they show me the "standard" price list. I really hope Prez Du30 can clean up the airport taxi scams. The best taxis I have had are the ones in Davao.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2160589]Good advice. I laugh every time they show me the "standard" price list. I really hope Prez Du30 can clean up the airport taxi scams. The best taxis I have had are the ones in Davao.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that the scam happened during the trip and it was the regular meter taxi driver who had the laminated list of prices.

[URL]http://entertainment.inquirer.net/265905/p2fb-caught-on-cam-haley-dasovich-records-ph-taxi-driver-scamming-her-refusing-to-turn-on-meter[/URL]

This is what happened to the crokked driver
https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/03/17/driver-nabbed-for-refusing-to-use-taxis-fare-meter/

Another one.

[URL]http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/metro/648231/taxi-driver-caught-scamming-taiwanese-blogger-arrested/story/[/URL]

I suggest that when you get into a taxi at the airport in future you put on the video recording until the meter is set and you are on your way. I have never been scammed personally but it's a good reminder.

Great times continue. 0/3 in manila and 0/1 in Angeles. 3rd girl in Manila starts with 6 k and I say no thanks only going as high as 3 k. She says 4 k and we agree to 3500. I confirm she isn't on her period and when I get there we sit and talk for a while and lo and behold blood on the bed. She was cute so I said let's make and then give me blowjob for 1500. She said okay but starts sniffling so after a couple minutes of that she goes straight to give me head. It wasn't that good and after being so frustrated these last couple days I don't cum. She was sweet and I have no idea if she intentionally liked or what so I gave her 1500 and hoped for better in Angeles. I met her on DIA and we agree to 1500 for the night and as soon as she gets here she starts making digs at how cheap I am. She asks for a beer and chocolate and since I'm only paying 1500 I say fine. She made a few more comments and I just tell her you clearly are unhappy with the price we agreed so take 200 pesos for fare and get out. She says fine LT is okay. I tell her I don't like her attitude leave. She calls me cheap and says I wasted her time. I tell her I'm so glad I took a 5 hour flight to come here and have you bullshit me. Be happy I paid for your fare here and go fuck someone else. At 4 x bad experience I have to ask if I'm the problem but I try to be as up front and forward about everything as I can.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2160820]I met her on DIA and we agree to 1500 for the night and as soon as she gets here she starts making digs at how cheap I am. She asks for a beer and chocolate and since I'm only paying 1500 I say fine.[/QUOTE]I tell women off the bat that I am cheap so that is no surprise to anyone. I certainly will not be one to go broke over paying for pussy. Women are only going to tell you that to guilt you into giving them more money. If they thought you were not paying them enough then they wouldn't have come with you in the first place.

Only 1500? Maybe where you come from 1500 could be considered only. But in Angeles it is way more than only. In some bars the bar fine is 1500 and the girl only gets half of that. So keep that in mind next time you think 1500 is only.

P.S. After she said how cheap I was I would have told her she was right and changed the deal to 1000. That broad would have shut up and got to work for that 1500 then! You can't let these chicks outthink you man. I stay 3 steps ahead. That is why I don't have the complaints about divorce or child support that all these other guys have. I will never let a chick get the best of me.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2160781]I suggest that when you get into a taxi at the airport in future you put on the video recording until the meter is set and you are on your way. I have never been scammed personally but it's a good reminder.[/QUOTE]I've taken two regular cabs out of Terminal One in the last three days. I circumvented problems by asking before I got in the cab whether the meter works. Both times the driver laughed and said, "sure. " I suppose I ran some risk by allowing luggage to be placed in the trunk before I asked. Since there is an agent who writes out a little contract slip and the driver walks to the stand to get the destination from the agent, perhaps that is the more strategic time to ask about the meter. That way both the driver and agent are party to the communication.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2159461]The majority of mongers would disagree with the idea that they are on the hook if the hooker they paid to service them decides not to use birth control and became knocked up while conducting business. [/QUOTE]I think this conclusion is far from settled legally or otherwise. Interestingly, there are some NGO-type activities in Korea that are publicly-exposing Korean men who have left Filipinas with Kopino babies and provide no support for the child. Setting aside what could be legally compelled from paternity testing, I can't imagine many men would want their faces emblazoned on the website of such an organization.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopino[/URL]

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2160978]I think this conclusion is far from settled legally or otherwise. Interestingly, there are some NGO-type activities in Korea that are publicly-exposing Korean men who have left Filipinas with Kopino babies and provide no support for the child. Setting aside what could be legally compelled from paternity testing, I can't imagine many men would want their faces emblazoned on the website of such an organization.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopino[/URL][/QUOTE]On the bright side, can't wait to see these kopino girls in the bar 18 years from now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2160865]I tell women off the bat that I am cheap so that is no surprise to anyone. I certainly will not be one to go broke over paying for pussy. Women are only going to tell you that to guilt you into giving them more money. If they thought you were not paying them enough then they wouldn't have come with you in the first place.

Only 1500? Maybe where you come from 1500 could be considered only. But in Angeles it is way more than only. In some bars the bar fine is 1500 and the girl only gets half of that. So keep that in mind next time you think 1500 is only.

P.S. After she said how cheap I was I would have told her she was right and changed the deal to 1000. That broad would have shut up and got to work for that 1500 then! You can't let these chicks outthink you man. I stay 3 steps ahead. That is why I don't have the complaints about divorce or child support that all these other guys have. I will never let a chick get the best of me.[/QUOTE]She told me she gets 2500 LT from newbies and I just nodded. Then she asked me if I could pop twice so she could charge ST x 2. At that point I kicked her out (1500 magically become okay but she killed the mood) and I emptied my room's mini bar. She said I was a cheap Indian and left. She also texted me fuck off and I just replied god bless I don't really care what she thinks of me. I am cheap but she knew my offer coming in. She apologized the next day and I ignored it. I'm getting fleeced here. I came to the Philippines because the sex is cheaper here but I've spent 4000 pesos with not much to show. Anyway I'm in Angeles so I'll switch over to that thread.

Dear All,

Taxi drivers from my experience on recent trip to Manila are exactly the same as that in BKK, They are serious scammers, don't want to flag down the meter and asking enormous rate! From Terminal one to terminal three via skyway asking for 300 php! I said no! Just flag down the meter! Along the way, complain a lot they when they return back to the line they have to pay again etc! I just ignore him And handed him a 40 php tips! I told him that is tip but I won't accept unreasonable demand!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2160978]I think this conclusion is far from settled legally or otherwise. Interestingly, there are some NGO-type activities in Korea that are publicly-exposing Korean men who have left Filipinas with Kopino babies and provide no support for the child. Setting aside what could be legally compelled from paternity testing, I can't imagine many men would want their faces emblazoned on the website of such an organization.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopino[/URL][/QUOTE]I think that despite the hopes amd wishes of mongerers, if you leave a girl pregnant and paternity can be proved, the courts will ask you to pay.

That is true in every country that I have ever been to.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2160865]I tell women off the bat that I am cheap so that is no surprise to anyone. I certainly will not be one to go broke over paying for pussy. Women are only going to tell you that to guilt you into giving them more money. If they thought you were not paying them enough then they wouldn't have come with you in the first place.

Only 1500? Maybe where you come from 1500 could be considered only. But in Angeles it is way more than only. In some bars the bar fine is 1500 and the girl only gets half of that. So keep that in mind next time you think 1500 is only.

P.S. After she said how cheap I was I would have told her she was right and changed the deal to 1000. That broad would have shut up and got to work for that 1500 then! You can't let these chicks outthink you man. I stay 3 steps ahead. That is why I don't have the complaints about divorce or child support that all these other guys have. I will never let a chick get the best of me.[/QUOTE]It used to be ok before. But nowadays girls shoot down any proposal below market rate. They would rather go hungry than accept less. I have seen it happen in LA cafe. Even uglies want higher reimbursement. Long time ago girls came from provinces and would agree any price. Even 1000 pesos was big money for them.

[QUOTE=Forest;2161226]I think that despite the hopes amd wishes of mongerers, if you leave a girl pregnant and paternity can be proved, the courts will ask you to pay.

That is true in every country that I have ever been to.[/QUOTE]And what happens if the baby is blamed on you and it is not yours?

I was in LA Cafe yesterday late afternoon. Tons of fuglies. Spotted one cutie seating with the Japanese group. The guys seems to be more focused on their drinks.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2161409]I was in LA Cafe yesterday late afternoon. Tons of fuglies. Spotted one cutie seating with the Japanese group. The guys seems to be more focused on their drinks.[/QUOTE]What I observed last time in LA cafe is that most of the cutiest prefer going second floor where mostly Japanese guys stay. I wonder these cutiest only look for jap! They never look into anyone downstairs!

How much really those Jap friends are paying? Or perhaps they like jap man due to they have the skills of AV actors?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=Forest;2161226]I think that despite the hopes amd wishes of mongerers, if you leave a girl pregnant and paternity can be proved, the courts will ask you to pay.

That is true in every country that I have ever been to.[/QUOTE]All those girls we fuck be it from La cafe, Burgos st, EDSA entertainment etc are being impregnated by their Filipinos boyfriends And just leave them alone to raise their kids thru our mongers money! I saw in LA cafe a girl that is half jap half Filipino, also an abandoned child from a jap mongers too. And as being reported here now more and more kopino is rising!

By the way, may be a disappointment to some, my sales lady was not pregnant, her period just gone these few days!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2161610]What I observed last time in LA cafe is that most of the cutiest prefer going second floor where mostly Japanese guys stay. I wonder these cutiest only look for jap! They never look into anyone downstairs!

How much really those Jap friends are paying? Or perhaps they like jap man due to they have the skills of AV actors?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]The Japanese don't haggle. Maybe the mongers do but even then I doubt as much as us.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2161614]All those girls we fuck be it from La cafe, Burgos st, EDSA entertainment etc are being impregnated by their Filipinos boyfriends And just leave them alone to raise their kids thru our mongers money! I saw in LA cafe a girl that is half jap half Filipino, also an abandoned child from a jap mongers too. And as being reported here now more and more kopino is rising!

By the way, may be a disappointment to some, my sales lady was not pregnant, her period just gone these few days!

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Pinays breed like rabbits, and that is not a big deal for them. It doesn't really matter too much, whether they have one child less, or one child more. They use a baby like an excuse, or like a weapon towards gullible western guys to extract from them as much profit as possible.

A common scam is to say it's yours, while in fact a real paternity could belong to indefinite number of men, both local and foreigners. If pinays will appeal to your sad, you should always keep in mind, that whole generations of Filipinos are used to rise children in poverty, and they could manage without your support and money.

Of course a baby is common duty, and everyone decides for himself, whether he is capable and ready to take responsibility for his careless creampie, or not.

I doubt, that in practice someone in Philippines can sue you in regards of alleged paternity. If a girl gives birth alone, a name of a father of a baby remains blank, no matter what she would tell to a doctor.

P.S. I am glad, that your sales lady is not pregnant. I assume, you still keep contact with her. Did she mention money, or her hardships already?

I have booked Manila flights for a 2 weeks stay in May. I'm thinking about renting an airbnb condo in Makati but 2 weeks there might be too much as there is nothing much to see and do (drinks, girls, shopping, no sun). So I was thinking maybe to split the time 1 week in Makati and 1 week somewhere else. What would you suggest for a one week beach getaway from Manila? I would probably have chosen Boracay because of its night life but now it is closing. It would be ideal to find a girl in Manila to go with me but I can't book flights before I know that and if you book the day before then the flights are very expensive. I have been to Bohol and Palawan but they might be too quiet with the risk of going there alone. Also in Sabang I have once been. It might be possible of course. I was last time in Batangas but it was not so good at least that place on the coast. Also just flying airasia to Bangkok and then pattaya but it would have its own hassle in traveling and leaving the country. Subic bay? Or is it too quiet too? Or just stay in Manila hmm.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2161409]I was in LA Cafe yesterday late afternoon. Tons of fuglies. Spotted one cutie seating with the Japanese group. The guys seems to be more focused on their drinks.[/QUOTE]Mostly Koreans up there unless the old invasion plotted a coup.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2161844]Mostly Koreans up there unless the old invasion plotted a coup.[/QUOTE]It's possible some of our posters don't know the difference in appearance between Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese, nor differences in their spoken languages.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2161821]I have booked Manila flights for a 2 weeks stay in May. I'm thinking about renting an airbnb condo in Makati but 2 weeks there might be too much as there is nothing much to see and do (drinks, girls, shopping, no sun).[/QUOTE]Hmmm well while I agree with you it isn't much to see and do outside what you allready mention there is defenitly sun in Makati as well and a lot of shitty weather too. I have managed to get quite a tan (and sunburns as well) from just residing a few days next to the pool at the Shangri-la Makati as an example.

Even if I am not at all interested in anything outside what you mention, I am sure there are something to do. I am sure there are a few shitty museums, shooting ranges, parks etc. And there are a few golfcorses in and around BGC area, planespotting at Naia. Girls tends to occupy most guys really. If you want some decent nice kind of a high end place to unwind I recommend Cebu Mactan and stay at either Mövenpick or Shangri-la hotel (private so so beaches). Its close enough to Cebu's nightlife / downtown but far enough away from it so you feel its a holiday destination (and only 20 min+ from the airport).

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2161749]

P.S. I am glad, that your sales lady is not pregnant. I assume, you still keep contact with her. Did she mention money, or her hardships already?[/QUOTE]Hi there!

Yes, still in contact with her since I left, as of now not yet mentioning those things yet but I am expecting sooner or later will touch those topics! Actually, she has works, she just so horny at bed for me to drop her that fast. Since I left she send me several nude pictures after my insisting request. She seems to show a real relationship she want. As I said, I just can't ignore her now as she is damn hot in bed and very very wet! She can cum several times at night! Now I am returning back to Philippines on a sideline business trip soon, she promised to take a leave at work & stay with me. Gosh expecting full of sex, need to prepare as she is a sex machines!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2161749]Pinays breed like rabbits, and that is not a big deal for them. It doesn't really matter too much, whether they have one child less, or one child more. They use a baby like an excuse, or like a weapon towards gullible western guys to extract from them as much profit as possible.

A common scam is to say it's yours, while in fact a real paternity could belong to indefinite number of men, both local and foreigners. If pinays will appeal to your sad, you should always keep in mind, that whole generations of Filipinos are used to rise children in poverty, and they could manage without your support and money.

Of course a baby is common duty, and everyone decides for himself, whether he is capable and ready to take responsibility for his careless creampie, or not.

I doubt, that in practice someone in Philippines can sue you in regards of alleged paternity. If a girl gives birth alone, a name of a father of a baby remains blank, no matter what she would tell to a doctor.

P.S. I am glad, that your sales lady is not pregnant. I assume, you still keep contact with her. Did she mention money, or her hardships already?[/QUOTE]Foreigners overreact when a Pinay gets pregnant. They do not know that today's careless cream pie is tomorrow's star spotlight dancer. Even if the monger runs, the girl wins, as a mestiza daughter will grow up into a working girl who can command fuck fees several times that of her pure-blooded indigenous sisters. The same is true for a mestizo son, as he will be in demand with the Flip gays and OFW girls looking for a handsome mestizo to support with remittances.

The girls really do not care if the foreigner runs or not unless they are greedy gold diggers, and even those have no recourse whatsoever again a foreigner. The Filipinos do not provide for the girls they impregnate because it is the responsibility of her tribe / relatives to raise the child. No Pinay ever raises a child on her own. Furthermore, children sired on a Pinay by a foreign monger will inevitably grow up to be loyal to their mother, and regard their foreign father as nothing more than a reckless cash dispensing walking penis. Many mongers will eventually become alienated by their spawn's materialistic attitude towards them.

Once again I dropped by LA Cafe around 6 pm. Things were picking up. There were bunch of 7's. Few extreme fuglies muscled their way through the thin crowd. I saw one 9 but she quickly disappeared. I had a good conversation with one of the ladies and stambled on a website full of pinays pay for play. I am not sure about link policy on this forum so of interested just pm me. I will try my luck again tonight at LA Cafe.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2161821] So I was thinking maybe to split the time 1 week in Makati and 1 week somewhere else. What would you suggest for a one week beach getaway from Manila?[/QUOTE]You could try Camiguin Island. Fly to Cagayan do Oro and it's a few hours by bus from there and a short ferry trip. Take a trip out to White island which is a sand bar close to the coast with snorkeling, visit a giant clam sanctuary, go to the hot spring baths, and drive around the island.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2161821] So I was thinking maybe to split the time 1 week in Makati and 1 week somewhere else. What would you suggest for a one week beach getaway from Manila? [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Franga;2162051]You could try Camiguin Island. Fly to Cagayan do Oro and it's a few hours by bus from there and a short ferry trip. Take a trip out to White island which is a sand bar close to the coast with snorkeling, visit a giant clam sanctuary, go to the hot spring baths, and drive around the island.[/QUOTE]If you fly into Mindanao via Cagayan de Oro airport, you can also take a trip to Iligan city which is located just 1.5 HR drive from the the airport. CDO itself is located 35 km from the airport to the opposite direction. In Iligan you can visit Maria Cristina falls and Tinago falls which are both stunning (for Philippines). If you want to bang a tight wet pussy there, make sure to make arrangements in advance via dating site. There are a lot of nurses waiting for white cock.

Despite it is rather un-touristy place, always stay alert, since girls from Iligan have the same inborn itch for money and makings of a scammer, like other pinays from anywhere else.

Ya, I'd recommend Subic. Or go back to Sabang.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2161821]I have booked Manila flights for a 2 weeks stay in May. I'm thinking about renting an airbnb condo in Makati but 2 weeks there might be too much as there is nothing much to see and do (drinks, girls, shopping, no sun). So I was thinking maybe to split the time 1 week in Makati and 1 week somewhere else. What would you suggest for a one week beach getaway from Manila? I would probably have chosen Boracay because of its night life but now it is closing. It would be ideal to find a girl in Manila to go with me but I can't book flights before I know that and if you book the day before then the flights are very expensive. I have been to Bohol and Palawan but they might be too quiet with the risk of going there alone. Also in Sabang I have once been. It might be possible of course. I was last time in Batangas but it was not so good at least that place on the coast. Also just flying airasia to Bangkok and then pattaya but it would have its own hassle in traveling and leaving the country. Subic bay? Or is it too quiet too? Or just stay in Manila hmm.[/QUOTE]

Nolz,

Thanks for the post. Would you mind sharing the pay for play site? I am coming to Manila end of this month.

AG.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2161942]Once again I dropped by LA Cafe around 6 pm. Things were picking up. There were bunch of 7's. Few extreme fuglies muscled their way through the thin crowd. I saw one 9 but she quickly disappeared. I had a good conversation with one of the ladies and stambled on a website full of pinays pay for play. I am not sure about link policy on this forum so of interested just pm me. I will try my luck again tonight at LA Cafe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianGeek;2162214]Nolz,

Thanks for the post. Would you mind sharing the pay for play site? I am coming to Manila end of this month.

AG.[/QUOTE]He did suggest YOU PM him for info.

[QUOTE=DCups;2162165]Ya, I'd recommend Subic. Or go back to Sabang.[/QUOTE]Last time I was 2.5 years ago in Sabang with a girl I met in Manila. She was then 20 years old. A bit chubby, maybe not the best looks but she was nice, I wanted beach right away so I went with her, she was ready for sex too, altough she thought it was too fast. Now she wants to see me every time I'm in Manila so I guess we are friends, because we weren't that close after that. Of course because I was with her in a Sabang beach resort like 3 nights I wasn't able to see if there was other night life around and (girlie) bars in Sabang. From our resort it was quite a long way to walk to the center at least, not very comfy. Bad beach with some beggars too when walking to the "center" with some shops and 7 Eleven.

Last year I was in Matabungkay Batangas but the beach was quite bad and the rom also and I was there with a 22 yo Manila girl working for a real estate company. That's how I met her in Manila close to RCBC, she was selling me investing to apartments they were building. But she was a good girl, a virgin, so I just enjoyed smoking a cigar there on the balcony and with her swimming in the pool.

So yeah, maybe Subic it could be next. A cheap airbnb condo in manila so it is easy to leave some stuff there because I'm flying back through Manila again and I wouldn't mind paying 2 rooms at the same time.

How much is a ride to Subic?

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2162385]I was with her in a Sabang beach resort like 3 nights I wasn't able to see if there was other night life around and (girlie) bars in Sabang.

How much is a ride to Subic?[/QUOTE]You didn't miss anything. I was with a chick and we went out. Not really any going out to do to tell you the truth. Be glad you brought a girl.

I would say the bus to Subic is no more than 300 pesos from Manila considering it is like 150 to Angeles.

Dear All,

After last month short visit to the Philippines, I am returning once again soon, this time I have pre arranged two girls:

1) a 20 years old ex Bar girl, she keep asking me some gift for her, that's fine I have full stocks of Gifts for girls like her! Maybe few boxes of chocolate will also make her be more horny to me at night!

2) my sales lady, she is not much younger as compare to ex Bar girl but she is just damn hot in bed! So wet pussy and never stop cumming all night long! So thirst in sex! She didn't even asking anything from me as ex bar girl but I also prepared same set is gift or "Pasalubong" for her too!

Now, I am not sure if I have time to look for other pussies definitely this time I will not waste my time in La cafe girl as I was disappointed on the girls quality: some ok in look but full of pregnancy stressmark in the belly with shaggy breast too!

I have notice some small bar along Mabini or surrounding area, I wonder if it worth for me to explore?

I am also planning to use my night before departing Manila to explore Air Force one (KTV) and flight 168 massage parlour, have read some report but not much to give me full picture on this two establishment. I haven't booked my last night hotel yet, perhaps one near the airport and Air Force one, is their any good advice on this part? Will be most highly appreciated!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=DCups;2162165]Ya, I'd recommend Subic. Or go back to Sabang.[/QUOTE]1-week in Subic might be too long. Spend 3-days in Subic and 3-days in AC. They are only 90 minutes apart by bus.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2162395]I would say the bus to Subic is no more than 300 pesos from Manila considering it is like 150 to Angeles.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think the Manila-Olangapo bus is P250, plus P12 for the jeepney to Barretto. The Southern Cross shuttle is about twice that much but worth it to me -- just get on and relax and they drop you off right at your hotel.

It's about time I did another field report, finally nearly free after a monumental cock-up using PL. I ended up trapped for a while, but I'm nearly free again.

So, a field report for my 9 days in the Philippines, I spent a couple of days visiting friends in Rizal province, then came to Malate, I had 3 nights booked in the AG New World hotel, Malate, and then 3 nights in the Holiday Inn, Makati.

Arrived around Monday midday, checked in and looked around, found Robinsons mall and LA cafe and wandered the streets a bit to get a feel for the area, had lunch in Robinsons food court. Noticed a few FL hanging around the entrance by Starbucks.

Went to LA cafe around 7 pm, it was packed with all sorts, something for every taste. I managed to get a table by the windows and sat back and surveyed the scene, I was approached a couple of times, but not my sort of girls. I had my eye on a girl on the other side of the bar, chatting with her friend. Her friend left, so I went over and talked to her.

Marvie, 31, from Cavite, she has kids, she is a dancer and is going to work in Japan in April. She has the physic of a dancer, petite and curvy, hard stomach and not an extra ounce of fat anywhere. We had a couple of drinks then the conversation got around to leaving, 5 k long time was fine for me. Long time was until breakfast. We left and went back to the hotel, chatted more, had a shower and round one. Went out for some dinner, back for round two, very responsive and energetic. She woke me up in the morning with enough time for another round before shower and breakfast. She went to dance rehearsals, and I asked her to text me when she was finished if she wanted to come back later.

Well I got a text at 1 pm telling me she was finished and asking if I wanted her to come over. She turned up 30 minutes looking radiant. Dropped her bag up in the room and went to Robinsons for lunch. Back to the room for a shower and relaxed in bed for the afternoon.

Out for dinner again, then back to bed for the rest of the night, woke me in the morning, then shower and breakfast. She left for dance rehearsals, then was going home to Cavite for Easter with family, with a nice little bundle of pocket money tucked away in her bag, 2 times 5 k plus a decent tip.

Absolutely fantastic 2 days, I'the definitely repeat as often as possible.

Wednesday morning rest by the pool for me then off to Robinsons, a table outside Starbucks to check out the FL. After a while one caught my eye, small and shy looking. Eventually I managed to get her to come over to my table, offered a coffee which she accepted. Rina, 26 with 1 kid. We talked a bit, 2.5 k, then I offered lunch before we headed back to my room, showered and went for round one. Not shy in bed. She left after about 3 hours. I rested a while before going for dinner.

OK and maybe repeat.

Went back to LA cafe about 8 pm, it was busy again, hard to get a table. I was just looking around when I noticed a girl staring at me, not really my type with a lot of cleavage, I tried to ignore her, but couldn't, eventually I caved and called her over. I don't recall her name, hair lightened a little. We didn't talk much, agreed 6 k long time. Back to the hotel, shower and straight to bed. She woke me early in the morning telling me she was leaving. I wasn't worried because I'the hooker proofed the room, but I had a check while she was showering. Off she went with 6 k, no tip.

Nothing to write home about, no repeat.

Thursday I checked out of AG New World and went to Makati, staying at the Holiday Inn at Ayala Mall, close to Greenbelt3. My plan was to spend time around Café Havana and P Burgos. Checked in early and went for a walk, well I didn't realise the Makati closes completely for Easter, nothing was open!

So to my backup, WeChat. I was soon chatting to a couple, and Chandi was soon in my room, 26, no kids, 3 k for 3 hours, we showered and went for round 1, I lent her some shorts and a t-shirt and we went up to the pool, had a swim and a drink, back for round 2, another shower and she went home, 3 k plus taxi money.

Good, I'the repeat.

About 8 pm I went up to P Burgos looking for food, had a decent meal at filling station then went walking. Very quite. A lot of the bars were closed. Went into Plan be and played connect 4 with a very nice girl, I don't remember her name, but good to talk to and I was considering bar fining her, but didn't.

I walked down the road, and ended up in Hollywood. Suddenly surrounded by girls of all shapes and sized, a bit intimidating even for me, I ended up choosing Nancy and moved to a table at the edge of the room. Nancy, 28, from Cantanduanes, 1 daughter, petite and no extra fat anywhere, we had a couple of drinks and she suggested getting a private room, cost was 5 drinks for her, I agreed. In no time at all her top was gone and her beautiful breasts with lovely nipples were in my face, she was grinding away on my lap. I took full advantage of the situation. A couple of tequila tasting nipples and a couple of body shots, and soon another round of drinks, now she was naked and horny, and I had full access to all her fantastic body.

The bar fine was 4 k with a tip for her, she would stay until morning, but not breakfast, OK for me.

She got dressed into street clothes, I paid the bar fine, and a round of drinks for mama-san and the barmaid, plus a couple of other people that sprung up when my wallet opened. It was raining when we left, the doorman got us a taxi, cost was the same returning to the hotel as when I arrived at P Burgos.

Up to the room, her clothes came off as soon as she got through the door, into the shower and we were doing everything but fucking, she was wild, dried off and into bed for round 1 wild noisy sex. We dozed a little and raided the mini bar, then we were ready for round two, more noisy hot sweaty sex, wash off then sleep. She woke me at around 5 am time for another round before she left, lazy and uncovered, I know I shouldn't have, but it'the be rude not to when its offered. We showered and washed each other, getting steamy in the shower again. Finally she left with 6 k tucked into her pocket, plus taxi money.

Absolutely hot, I'the definitely repeat.

Friday I wasn't feeling too good, just lazed around the pool and slept.

Saturday and Makati came alive again, the Malls were open. I spent Saturday having a look around Greenbelt3, Landmark, Glorietta and Ayala Malls. Bought some things I needed, then lazed by the pool. About 8 pm I went to Cafe Havana, I got a table near the edge on Starbucks side. Had a couple of drinks and a meal. By about 9:30 the FL were starting to arrive. There were a couple of girls in Cafe Havana eyeing me up, but they then left alone, so I don't know what that was about.

There was a girl in Starbucks that I had been watching, starting out towards the rear, and moving closer to the front as tables became available. She was watching me and I was watching her. Eventually I called her over, offered a drink and we talked. Jean, 24, from Bicol, no kids, a little puppy fat. We chatted a bit, she said it was up to me how much I gave her, LT until breakfast, and she asked how much the girl from Hollywood got.

Back to the hotel, shower and an energetic BJ and round 1. Rest and round 2. She woke me around 4 am, saying she was going. She left with 5 k, no tip, she asked for taxi money and I told her she'd get taxi money after breakfast.

Boring, no repeat.

Sunday, late checkout, just lazed by the pool and contemplated my last 6 days.

[QUOTE=JcFromNz;2162685]It's about time I did another field report, finally nearly free after a monumental cock-up using PL. I ended up trapped for a while, but I'm nearly free again.

So, a field report for my 9 days in the Philippines, I spent a couple of days visiting friends in Rizal province, then came to Malate, I had 3 nights booked in the AG New World hotel, Malate, and then 3 nights in the Holiday Inn, Makati.

Arrived around Monday midday, checked in and looked around, found Robinsons mall and LA cafe and wandered the streets a bit to get a feel for the area, had lunch in Robinsons food court. Noticed a few FL hanging around the entrance by Starbucks.

Went to LA cafe around 7 pm, it was packed with all sorts, something for every taste. I managed to get a table by the windows and sat back and surveyed the scene, I was approached a couple of times, but not my sort of girls. I had my eye on a girl on the other side of the bar, chatting with her friend. Her friend left, so I went over and talked to her.

Marvie, 31, from Cavite, she has kids, she is a dancer and is going to work in Japan in April. She has the physic of a dancer, petite and curvy, hard stomach and not an extra ounce of fat anywhere. We had a couple of drinks then the conversation got around to leaving, 5 k long time was fine for me. Long time was until breakfast. We left and went back to the hotel, chatted more, had a shower and round one. Went out for some dinner, back for round two, very responsive and energetic. She woke me up in the morning with enough time for another round before shower and breakfast. She went to dance rehearsals, and I asked her to text me when she was finished if she wanted to come back later.

Well I got a text at 1 pm telling me she was finished and asking if I wanted her to come over. She turned up 30 minutes looking radiant. Dropped her bag up in the room and went to Robinsons for lunch. Back to the room for a shower and relaxed in bed for the afternoon.

Out for dinner again, then back to bed for the rest of the night, woke me in the morning, then shower and breakfast. She left for dance rehearsals, then was going home to Cavite for Easter with family, with a nice little bundle of pocket money tucked away in her bag, 2 times 5 k plus a decent tip.

Absolutely fantastic 2 days, I'the definitely repeat as often as possible.

Wednesday morning rest by the pool for me then off to Robinsons, a table outside Starbucks to check out the FL. After a while one caught my eye, small and shy looking. Eventually I managed to get her to come over to my table, offered a coffee which she accepted. Rina, 26 with 1 kid. We talked a bit, 2.5 k, then I offered lunch before we headed back to my room, showered and went for round one. Not shy in bed. She left after about 3 hours. I rested a while before going for dinner.

OK and maybe repeat.

Went back to LA cafe about 8 pm, it was busy again, hard to get a table. I was just looking around when I noticed a girl staring at me, not really my type with a lot of cleavage, I tried to ignore her, but couldn't, eventually I caved and called her over. I don't recall her name, hair lightened a little. We didn't talk much, agreed 6 k long time. Back to the hotel, shower and straight to bed. She woke me early in the morning telling me she was leaving. I wasn't worried because I'the hooker proofed the room, but I had a check while she was showering. Off she went with 6 k, no tip.

Nothing to write home about, no repeat.

Thursday I checked out of AG New World and went to Makati, staying at the Holiday Inn at Ayala Mall, close to Greenbelt3. My plan was to spend time around Caf Havana and P Burgos. Checked in early and went for a walk, well I didn't realise the Makati closes completely for Easter, nothing was open!

So to my backup, WeChat. I was soon chatting to a couple, and Chandi was soon in my room, 26, no kids, 3 k for 3 hours, we showered and went for round 1, I lent her some shorts and a t-shirt and we went up to the pool, had a swim and a drink, back for round 2, another shower and she went home, 3 k plus taxi money.

Good, I'the repeat.

About 8 pm I went up to P Burgos looking for food, had a decent meal at filling station then went walking. Very quite. A lot of the bars were closed. Went into Plan be and played connect 4 with a very nice girl, I don't remember her name, but good to talk to and I was considering bar fining her, but didn't.

I walked down the road, and ended up in Hollywood. Suddenly surrounded by girls of all shapes and sized, a bit intimidating even for me, I ended up choosing Nancy and moved to a table at the edge of the room. Nancy, 28, from Cantanduanes, 1 daughter, petite and no extra fat anywhere, we had a couple of drinks and she suggested getting a private room, cost was 5 drinks for her, I agreed. In no time at all her top was gone and her beautiful breasts with lovely nipples were in my face, she was grinding away on my lap. I took full advantage of the situation. A couple of tequila tasting nipples and a couple of body shots, and soon another round of drinks, now she was naked and horny, and I had full access to all her fantastic body.

The bar fine was 4 k with a tip for her, she would stay until morning, but not breakfast, OK for me.

She got dressed into street clothes, I paid the bar fine, and a round of drinks for mama-san and the barmaid, plus a couple of other people that sprung up when my wallet opened. It was raining when we left, the doorman got us a taxi, cost was the same returning to the hotel as when I arrived at P Burgos.

Up to the room, her clothes came off as soon as she got through the door, into the shower and we were doing everything but fucking, she was wild, dried off and into bed for round 1 wild noisy sex. We dozed a little and raided the mini bar, then we were ready for round two, more noisy hot sweaty sex, wash off then sleep. She woke me at around 5 am time for another round before she left, lazy and uncovered, I know I shouldn't have, but it'the be rude not to when its offered. We showered and washed each other, getting steamy in the shower again. Finally she left with 6 k tucked into her pocket, plus taxi money.

Absolutely hot, I'the definitely repeat.

Friday I wasn't feeling too good, just lazed around the pool and slept.

Saturday and Makati came alive again, the Malls were open. I spent Saturday having a look around Greenbelt3, Landmark, Glorietta and Ayala Malls. Bought some things I needed, then lazed by the pool. About 8 pm I went to Cafe Havana, I got a table near the edge on Starbucks side. Had a couple of drinks and a meal. By about 9:30 the FL were starting to arrive. There were a couple of girls in Cafe Havana eyeing me up, but they then left alone, so I don't know what that was about.

There was a girl in Starbucks that I had been watching, starting out towards the rear, and moving closer to the front as tables became available. She was watching me and I was watching her. Eventually I called her over, offered a drink and we talked. Jean, 24, from Bicol, no kids, a little puppy fat. We chatted a bit, she said it was up to me how much I gave her, LT until breakfast, and she asked how much the girl from Hollywood got.

Back to the hotel, shower and an energetic BJ and round 1. Rest and round 2. She woke me around 4 am, saying she was going. She left with 5 k, no tip, she asked for taxi money and I told her she'd get taxi money after breakfast.

Boring, no repeat.

Sunday, late checkout, just lazed by the pool and contemplated my last 6 days.[/QUOTE]Great field report. Thanks for detailed information and it seems you had a good time!

However, I might suggest that you overpaid these girls. It is your money of course and everyone has their own limits. I spent 2 nights in LA Cafe myself this week. Tuesday and Wednesday. Tuesday I arrived at around midnight and the place was packed. Very good selection both upstair and downstairs with just a few punters. I got a bit drunk and ended up with a girl that accepted 1500 pesos for 3 hours. Nothing special, but OK. The next day I went around 8 pm. Less girls and quality not so good. I started chatting with a very shy girl next to me. Great sexy body but face not so beautiful. We spent a few hours drinking and had good chemistry. I quoted her 1500 as that is my "limit" always in LA Cafe. She would not budge and at the end I bid her farewell and went to a new bar just 50 meters away from LA Cafe. The name is "Dusk Till Dawn" and had a soft opening this week with official Grand Opening this Saturday, April 7. (Great sexy waitresses there by the way.) The girl I left turned up there afer 3 minutes. It seems she had changed her mind! We ended up at my hotel and she was just great in bed. She accepted 1500 and she told me she could stay until morning if I wanted. I asked her to go after 3 hours since she had work the next day. Every girl is different, but my point is that you will not neccesarily get better service if you pay more. 2000 peso should be the maximum in LA Cafe. Offering more will just ruin the market for fellow mongers IMO.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2163502]Great field report. Thanks for detailed information and it seems you had a good time!

However, I might suggest that you overpaid these girls. It is your money of course and everyone has their own limits. I spent 2 nights in LA Cafe myself this week. Tuesday and Wednesday. Tuesday I arrived at around midnight and the place was packed. Very good selection both upstair and downstairs with just a few punters. I got a bit drunk and ended up with a girl that accepted 1500 pesos for 3 hours. Nothing special, but OK. The next day I went around 8 pm. Less girls and quality not so good. I started chatting with a very shy girl next to me. Great sexy body but face not so beautiful. We spent a few hours drinking and had good chemistry. I quoted her 1500 as that is my "limit" always in LA Cafe. She would not budge and at the end I bid her farewell and went to a new bar just 50 meters away from LA Cafe. The name is "Dusk Till Dawn" and had a soft opening this week with official Grand Opening this Saturday, April 7. (Great sexy waitresses there by the way.) The girl I left turned up there afer 3 minutes. It seems she had changed her mind! We ended up at my hotel and she was just great in bed. She accepted 1500 and she told me she could stay until morning if I wanted. I asked her to go after 3 hours since she had work the next day. Every girl is different, but my point is that you will not neccesarily get better service if you pay more. 2000 peso should be the maximum in LA Cafe. Offering more will just ruin the market for fellow mongers IMO.[/QUOTE]No worries. I gave him and other mongers permission to pay what ever they like to pay. I seriously doubt he or anyone else can ruin the market for me. But thanks for looking out for me.

Any suggestions for a layover from 8 pm - 4 am at MNL? Book at hotel and head to LA cafe.

Or just go straight to air force one, and head back to airport?

Go to Manila hotel thread and look at hotel recommendations and the EDSA entertainment option. You haven't given a budget, nor you give your intended destination. The better info, the better the answer. Good luck.

[QUOTE=VeryInterest;2163766]Any suggestions for a layover from 8 pm - 4 am at MNL? Book at hotel and head to LA cafe.

Or just go straight to air force one, and head back to airport?[/QUOTE]

Given your schedule I would probably opt for Air Force 1. By the time you get to Malate / LAC and find somebody you will only have about four hours.

[QUOTE=VeryInterest;2163766]Any suggestions for a layover from 8 pm - 4 am at MNL? Book at hotel and head to LA cafe.

Or just go straight to air force one, and head back to airport?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2163502]Great field report. Thanks for detailed information and it seems you had a good time!

However, I might suggest that you overpaid these girls. It is your money of course and everyone has their own limits. I spent 2 nights in LA Cafe myself this week. Tuesday and Wednesday. Tuesday I arrived at around midnight and the place was packed. Very good selection both upstair and downstairs with just a few punters. I got a bit drunk and ended up with a girl that accepted 1500 pesos for 3 hours. Nothing special, but OK. The next day I went around 8 pm. Less girls and quality not so good. I started chatting with a very shy girl next to me. Great sexy body but face not so beautiful. We spent a few hours drinking and had good chemistry. I quoted her 1500 as that is my "limit" always in LA Cafe. She would not budge and at the end I bid her farewell and went to a new bar just 50 meters away from LA Cafe. The name is "Dusk Till Dawn" and had a soft opening this week with official Grand Opening this Saturday, April 7. (Great sexy waitresses there by the way.) The girl I left turned up there afer 3 minutes. It seems she had changed her mind! We ended up at my hotel and she was just great in bed. She accepted 1500 and she told me she could stay until morning if I wanted. I asked her to go after 3 hours since she had work the next day. Every girl is different, but my point is that you will not neccesarily get better service if you pay more. 2000 peso should be the maximum in LA Cafe. Offering more will just ruin the market for fellow mongers IMO.[/QUOTE]I agree that paying more does not necessarily give a better experience. The girls initial price was within the ballpark for ST and LT, so I accepted it. I don't want to enter into a bargaining session if her initial price is within reason.

Each person has his and her own expectations of what they want to pay, or can afford to pay, the same as the girls have their own expectations, as I was there early in the evening. Expectations were still high, and the time they spent with me was also a lot longer.

[QUOTE=VeryInterest;2163766]Any suggestions for a layover from 8 pm - 4 am at MNL? Book at hotel and head to LA cafe.

Or just go straight to air force one, and head back to airport?[/QUOTE]You think you have 8 hours max with immigration, baggage and traffic?

Your 11 FRs are all questions so when you get the information you ask about you don't contribute. DG mentioned this to another poster today also. Lots questions nothing given back.

Lots of information on the board about possible places to go and traps to avoid. Good luck with the RTFF.

Earlier reports from me and others about the expiration of p4 p at Harrison Place Mall may have been premature. I was there Saturday about 6 pm accompanied by my main squeeze and two others. They hovered at one of the cellphone repair booths on the second floor and I walked to the CR in the back near the middle of the second floor. A 30 ish woman sitting on a bench near the railing bid the usual "Hello, sir" as I walked past. A little too plump for my taste, and I already had company.

Later, with phone repair still ongoing I went down to the first floor and bought a soda at Greenwich. There's a circular stage near the middle of the first floor with built-in benches all the way around it. I found a gap among Filipinos and took a seat, but near a single woman probably 25 to 30. She was playing with her cellphone but gave me a suggestive smile. Soon two others walked up, started talking to her and sat down. One sat next me and then asked, "where's your girlfriend"? Smiles all around while I explained and later when I walked past them accompanied by my locals. All three were doable by my standards but definitely not stunning.

Earlier I had seen another standing around on the first floor who may have been in the hunt. In times past the railing at the second floor on the Mabini (west) end of the mall was the typical hangout. I think that has changed. Bottom line: there is p4 p available at Harrison Place, but possibly hanging out in places other than the west end second floor railing.

I get a spinner from la cafe. I just got in from Angeles so i was too tired to talk her out of a lady drink. So already out 350 p from the get go LOL.

Long story short. Back at my place she keeps asking me to go harder amd faster. She wanted a serious pounding. But then she yells "it hurts, cum fast. ".

A sentence that for sure will Prevent me from cumming. I stop immediately. She yells it hurts again at which point she freaks out and runs to the bathroom and starts usng that toilet butt blaster on her pussy like it will cool it off.

I was just hoping this isn't some scam.

I specify that I am not into fucking her if she is not into it and it Hurts. She promises "no drama it really hurts. ".

I talk her into a discount (not a big one, prob just covered the drinks, so still out around 1500).

But wrf. Anyone else come. Across that weirdness? So strange.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2164470]I get a spinner from la cafe. I just got in from Angeles so i was too tired to talk her out of a lady drink. So already out 350 p from the get go LOL.

Long story short. Back at my place she keeps asking me to go harder amd faster. She wanted a serious pounding. But then she yells "it hurts, cum fast. ".

A sentence that for sure will Prevent me from cumming. I stop immediately. She yells it hurts again at which point she freaks out and runs to the bathroom and starts usng that toilet butt blaster on her pussy like it will cool it off.

I was just hoping this isn't some scam.

I specify that I am not into fucking her if she is not into it and it Hurts. She promises "no drama it really hurts. ".

I talk her into a discount (not a big one, prob just covered the drinks, so still out around 1500).

But wrf. Anyone else come. Across that weirdness? So strange.[/QUOTE]Holy shit the front desk just called she is trying [URL]ro.com[/URL]e. Back. Almost an HR later. Wtf!

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2164470]

But wrf. Anyone else come. Across that weirdness? So strange.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Philippines. Expect more stuff that makes your head spin.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2164489]Holy shit the front desk just called she is trying [URL]ro.com[/URL]e. Back. Almost an HR later. Wtf![/QUOTE]Probably needs to finish earning her full pay. I don't see a problem. Open the door and find out before you get dramatic next time.

CM, what’s your analysis on this?

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2164025]

Your 11 FRs are all questions so when you get the information you ask about you don't contribute. Lots questions nothing given back. [/QUOTE]Your investigation should have revealed that Jackson recommended one of his entries for a Report of Distinction. If you are going to be an unwelcome enforcer on the Orwellian RTFF squad, at least be thorough.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2164553]Your investigation should have revealed that Jackson recommended one of his entries for a Report of Distinction. If you are going to be an unwelcome enforcer on the Orwellian RTFF squad, at least be thorough.[/QUOTE]Well you are better man as never saw that so post the link. And answers his questions Pomp as you are so generous and tell others to be but once again you don't help a newbie who only asks question over 4 years.

So we are waiting once again.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2164545]Probably needs to finish earning her full pay. I don't see a problem. Open the door and find out before you get dramatic next time. [/QUOTE]Things were looking bleak when she got back down to LAC so she decided to come back for the for sure money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2164613]Things were looking bleak when she got back down to LAC so she decided to come back for the for sure money.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. (well, sort of. Her pussy is broken LOL).

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2164788]That makes sense. (well, sort of. Her pussy is broken LOL).[/QUOTE]You didn't let her back in after you cut her pay! No balls man.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2164806]You didn't let her back in after you cut her pay! No balls man.[/QUOTE]Haha yeah I had definitely had enough. For all I know she had no place to go and was trying to find a place to crash (or worse came back with a cop) I was pretty happy to get rid of her drama. Sucks I can't find cheap in and out massage / spa joints in ermita. Craving that chick-free alone time but still want a quickie out of principle.

So who's up for hitting la or robinsons early this eve? I am going to head out in a few min if any fellow dudes what to share a table or an ogle stroll.

Most complaints about taxis have involved scamming attempts. I probably have experienced these in fewer than 10% of my taxi encounters in Manila. But another problem is the incompetent or ignorant driver who pretends to know the destination but really doesn't. Last Friday night an associate and I left Terminal 2 in a regular taxi driven by a doddering old geezer. We told him to drop the associate at a named hotel at the corner of Estrada and Arellano a few blocks east of Taft in Malate and then drop me at Birch Towers on Bocobo in the block closest to Robinson's Place Mall. He repeated "corner Estrada and Arellano, said something about "Taft" (yup, right neighborhood) and "Bobobo," and off we went. He drove extraordinarily slow by Manila taxi standards and this should have been cause for concern: either that his mental capacities were beyond their expiration date or that he was unsure where he was going. Or perhaps we gave him more English than he could handle. Or all of the above.

He was doing okay going north on Roxas and then east on Pablo Ocampo, but when he started turning left on Taft I knew he was getting it wrong. I told him "derecho, derecho," (meaning straight ahead on Ocampo), but he just kept turning. (In hindsight I think he was fixated on the hotel's proximity to Taft; unfortunately it's four blocks from Taft on Estrada, which is one-way the wrong way.) he led us on a wild goose chase all the way to Quirino, turned right on San Andres for one block, then right on Leon Guinto. This still puts him three blocks too far west, and Estrada, when he crossed it, runs the wrong way. I took over giving directions at that point-kaliwa (left) on Pablo Ocampo," "derecho, derecho" (to keep him from turning off prematurely), then "kaliwa on Arellano" when he started to turn right, and finally "para dito" (stop here, roughly, I think) when we got to the hotel on Arellano.

I then repeated "Birch Towers on Bocobo, do you know where that is"? No answer. "Do you know Remedios Circle"? "Yes, Remedios Circle. " But instead of turning right from Estrada onto Taft, he turned left, south, then west on Ocampo. He then turned right on Mabini. This does eventually get close to Remedios Circle, so I suspect his only orientation to Remedios Circle was from the airport, and that his roundabout route back by Ocampo simply got him back to what he was familiar with. So his internal GPS just couldn't get him to Bocobo by the more direct route via Taft. (The next day another driver took me directly from my associate's hotel via Estrada, Taft, San Andres, and Bocobo as though the route were on the back of his hand.).

Once we were on Mabini we moved forward at about the pace of a walk. Except that it was midnight and there was no traffic. This was a giveaway that the old man had no idea where he was going. He eventually turned right onto Remedios Street but then drove on past the circle where he should have turned to the north on Bocobo. I eventually took over with instructions again, and once we got to the corner of Orosa and Pedro Gil I just told him to stop, paid, and walked the block and a half to Birch Towers with my luggage. What should have been about a 200 peso ride ran to more than 300 because of all his blind maneuvers. I don't mind the extra 100 pesos, but taking more than two hours for a 30 to 40 minute trip pissed me off, and there was no reason to have arrived at my hotel after midnight when the flight got us to Terminal 2 at about ten.

Most on the forum will ignore this post. No skin off my nose. But I posted it to offer some cultural lessons. First, Filipinos sometimes pretend to understand when in fact they do not want to look dumb by admitting they don't. I screwed up by not recognizing that his reference to "Taft" when we got in his cab at the airport was a very vague reference, and I should have pinned him down more precisely. Second, a few basic instructions can be handy when you know where you're going and your driver does not. On my first trip to the Philippines a talkative cabbie asked me if I understood Tagalog. I told him what little I knew. He suggested that some cab drivers don't understand much English, and a few words of instruction could get me by: derecho for straight ahead, kanan for right, kaliwa for left, para for stop, and dito for here. Some of our expats will have much more extensive Filipino lexicon, but these instructions have served me well on many occasions.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2165276]Most complaints about taxis have involved scamming attempts. I probably have experienced these in fewer than 10% of my taxi encounters in Manila. But another problem is the incompetent or ignorant driver who pretends to know the destination but really doesn't. Last Friday night an associate and I left Terminal 2 in a regular taxi driven by a doddering old geezer. We told him to drop the associate at a named hotel at the corner of Estrada and Arellano a few blocks east of Taft in Malate and then drop me at Birch Towers on Bocobo in the block closest to Robinson's Place Mall. He repeated "corner Estrada and Arellano, said something about "Taft" (yup, right neighborhood) and "Bobobo," and off we went. He drove extraordinarily slow by Manila taxi standards and this should have been cause for concern: either that his mental capacities were beyond their expiration date or that he was unsure where he was going. Or perhaps we gave him more English than he could handle. Or all of the above.

He was doing okay going north on Roxas and then east on Pablo Ocampo, but when he started turning left on Taft I knew he was getting it wrong. I told him "derecho, derecho," (meaning straight ahead on Ocampo), but he just kept turning. (In hindsight I think he was fixated on the hotel's proximity to Taft; unfortunately it's four blocks from Taft on Estrada, which is one-way the wrong way.) he led us on a wild goose chase all the way to Quirino, turned right on San Andres for one block, then right on Leon Guinto. This still puts him three blocks too far west, and Estrada, when he crossed it, runs the wrong way. I took over giving directions at that point-kaliwa (left) on Pablo Ocampo," "derecho, derecho" (to keep him from turning off prematurely), then "kaliwa on Arellano" when he started to turn right, and finally "para dito" (stop here, roughly, I think) when we got to the hotel on Arellano.

I then repeated "Birch Towers on Bocobo, do you know where that is"? No answer. "Do you know Remedios Circle"? "Yes, Remedios Circle. " But instead of turning right from Estrada onto Taft, he turned left, south, then west on Ocampo. He then turned right on Mabini. This does eventually get close to Remedios Circle, so I suspect his only orientation to Remedios Circle was from the airport, and that his roundabout route back by Ocampo simply got him back to what he was familiar with. So his internal GPS just couldn't get him to Bocobo by the more direct route via Taft. (The next day another driver took me directly from my associate's hotel via Estrada, Taft, San Andres, and Bocobo as though the route were on the back of his hand.).

Once we were on Mabini we moved forward at about the pace of a walk. Except that it was midnight and there was no traffic. This was a giveaway that the old man had no idea where he was going. He eventually turned right onto Remedios Street but then drove on past the circle where he should have turned to the north on Bocobo. I eventually took over with instructions again, and once we got to the corner of Orosa and Pedro Gil I just told him to stop, paid, and walked the block and a half to Birch Towers with my luggage. What should have been about a 200 peso ride ran to more than 300 because of all his blind maneuvers. I don't mind the extra 100 pesos, but taking more than two hours for a 30 to 40 minute trip pissed me off, and there was no reason to have arrived at my hotel after midnight when the flight got us to Terminal 2 at about ten.

Most on the forum will ignore this post. No skin off my nose. But I posted it to offer some cultural lessons. First, Filipinos sometimes pretend to understand when in fact they do not want to look dumb by admitting they don't. I screwed up by not recognizing that his reference to "Taft" when we got in his cab at the airport was a very vague reference, and I should have pinned him down more precisely. Second, a few basic instructions can be handy when you know where you're going and your driver does not. On my first trip to the Philippines a talkative cabbie asked me if I understood Tagalog. I told him what little I knew. He suggested that some cab drivers don't understand much English, and a few words of instruction could get me by: derecho for straight ahead, kanan for right, kaliwa for left, para for stop, and dito for here. Some of our expats will have much more extensive Filipino lexicon, but these instructions have served me well on many occasions.[/QUOTE]Have you tried Uber / Grab here yet? I hear it is more reliable, fewer bad experiences. I might try it on the way out this week to the airport and see if it works, but if you've tried it already I'd love to hear your take. I know you say "you screwed up" by not recognizing the reference to "Taft" BUT how many possible details and hand holding can you possibly take care of for filipinos? Some things are bound to fall through the cracks. I suppose we should all draw out / print out map directions. But that still won't solve the million other screw ups and scams a manila driver might pull.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2165322]Have you tried Uber / Grab here yet?
I suppose we should all draw out / print out map directions. But that still won't solve the million other screw ups and scams a manila driver might pull.[/QUOTE]My taxi experience screw ups don't number in the millions. They have been the exception to the rule. What I suggest works perhaps better for people who know their way around the city pretty well, or who carry a CitiAtlas with them when they travel in Manila.

I first traveled to the Phils 12 years ago for a stint of about five months. I took an apartment in Quezon City to be near my work, but I found a nearby National Bookstore and bought a CitiAtlas for about 650 pesos on my third day in country, specifically for detailed directions for getting to LA Cafe. I have always considered it one of my wisest purchases in Manila.

As noted by others, Uber has been absorbed by Grab in Manila. I have taken Grab a few times. We took Grab from my associate's hotel to Makati about a week ago. Price calculated in advance by the driver was a flat rate of 310 pesos. Return trip between the same two points in a metered regular taxi was 112 pesos (plus tip). I avoided Grab thereafter.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2165328]My taxi experience screw ups don't number in the millions. They have been the exception to the rule. What I suggest works perhaps better for people who know their way around the city pretty well, or who carry a CitiAtlas with them when they travel in Manila.

I first traveled to the Phils 12 years ago for a stint of about five months. I took an apartment in Quezon City to be near my work, but I found a nearby National Bookstore and bought a CitiAtlas for about 650 pesos on my third day in country, specifically for detailed directions for getting to LA Cafe. I have always considered it one of my wisest purchases in Manila.

As noted by others, Uber has been absorbed by Grab in Manila. I have taken Grab a few times. We took Grab from my associate's hotel to Makati about a week ago. Price calculated in advance by the driver was a flat rate of 310 pesos. Return trip between the same two points in a metered regular taxi was 112 pesos (plus tip). I avoided Grab thereafter.[/QUOTE]Surely in these days of cheap data and Google Maps or Waze getting lost is a far less frequent event?

I'll often have issues finding an exact building on a street due to bad signage etc but getting within 100 m is pretty easy.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2165373]Surely in these days of cheap data and Google Maps or Waze getting lost is a far less frequent event?[/QUOTE]Undoubtedly. My CitiAtlas: a) doesn't require a data package for my cellphone; b) never runs out of battery charge; c) never has its signal blocked by tall buildings. Its drawbacks are that it needs artificial lighting at night and sometimes requires thumbing through pages to get to a particular part of the city.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2165373]I'll often have issues finding an exact building on a street due to bad signage etc but getting within 100 m is pretty easy.[/QUOTE]And you still need to get the driver to respond when you correct his mistakes or confusion.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2164470]Long story short. Back at my place she keeps asking me to go harder amd faster. She wanted a serious pounding. But then she yells "it hurts, cum fast. "[/QUOTE]I don't think she wanted a serious pounding. She just thought harder and faster would get you to cum quicker, but she miscalculated your endurance relative to hers. She came back to get the rest of the money, despite soreness, and she reasoned you'd be up for it since you didn't cum the first time. She may also have been experiencing some alcohol fog.

Days counting but moving so slow, my sales lady & ex Bar girl keep sending me msg saying they miss me so much! For sure my sales lady really reacted more authentic while my ex bar girl may be only after the Pasalubong and the Money she is expecting from me! Both of them don't talk anything on money but for sure I wlll give them as I am not a cheap Charlie, I will give them what worth for their interaction with me. But I saw the sister of my ex bar girl, I wish I can also bang her even for a night! Initially my ex bar girl ask me if I like her sister! Hmmm is this some kind of a trick? Then I ask her are you serious? Then she came a reply, she just want to test me, as she doesn't want for game only! What a F*ck! I really hope she told me it's ok honey, I stay one night with you And she stay one night with you! I really hope she offered me that as I feel her sister is much prettier than her and never experienced of banging sisters!

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2164598]Well you are better man as never saw that so post the link. And answers his questions Pomp as you are so generous and tell others to be but once again you don't help a newbie who only asks question over 4 years.

So we are waiting once again.[/QUOTE]You would do well to follow your own advice and RTFF. First, you can easily find the post by VeryInterest which was recommended for Report of Distinction honors; no need for anyone else to do it for you. Second as for answering VeryInterest's inquiry, it was succinctly and completely answered by DCups even before you commented on it. There's nothing more to add. But if you had RTFF, you would have known all of this.

Yo, we all respect the 5,000 plus contributions that you have made to international mongering. So if you if you perceive that someone is not doing as you do, well then you more than make up for it with the plenitude of your reports. Maybe if you think along those lines you won't be so quick to be hostile to the newcomers on the forum with that RTFF Squad crapola.

Been in Manila and it was one of my best time, been there last month for business, stayed in Makati, strolling around Makati is great, for me that was the best city in the Philippines, I have been to Manila, Angeles, and I forgot the other one, but I spent most of my time in Makati, actually just areas around my hotel, now I would like to share my experience there, well, in Makati, you can see a lots of beautiful pinay girls, I believe they are high class girls, I wanted to ask if they are for hire or not, but to my worry that they will act improper, I just stayed in a bar, looking to hook up at some girls, and yes, the girls came and ask me if I have a companion, and said none, then ask me if I want, and replied, yes sure, but how much? The ladies drink at that bar is kinda cheap, it's like 200 of their money, a bit of chitchat with the girl, actually she's pretty and sexy, I asked her if she will go to my hotel, she replied, I need to pay a barfine for her to go out on that bar during her duty hours, and the fine is per hour, per hour would be 3,500 of their money, which makes me think that it is so expensive, then I just told the girl, well I'll come back and get some cash, and she said yes, then I knew I can get an outcall somewhere in the web, I google and came up to Manilacourtesans, wow, to my surprise, they have a lots of lovely ladies, now my attention was at the website already and not on the girl I met on the bar, I tried chatting on their chatbox and they replied, I ask one girl, I won't mention, for privacy, and the operator said that girl is available, she asked me for my hotel where I stayed, got my name and mobile number, and told me she will call me again when the girl is already at the lobby to meet me, after 45 minutes close to an hour, the operator called me to meet the girl at the lobby, I was nervous that the girl would be not the same as on the picture, but to my amusement, she was the girl I clicked and booked, booked her for 2 hrs just to test the water, and damn, she was so good. I gave her 500 tip for extra miles, then the following day, I tried bookings another girl from their site, and same thing happenned, the girl was the same at the picture, but now, I avail their 12 hrs, I Booked the most hot on their site, now this was way better than my first, she was so horny and wet. Well to cut the long story short, if you will be visiting Manila, be careful with bargirls, better try Manilacourtesans for much easier satisfaction.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2165758]You would do well to follow your own advice and RTFF. First, you can easily find the post by VeryInterest which was recommended for Report of Distinction honors; no need for anyone else to do it for you. Second as for answering VeryInterest's inquiry, it was succinctly and completely answered by DCups even before you commented on it. There's nothing more to add. But if you had RTFF, you would have known all of this.

Yo, we all respect the 5,000 plus contributions that you have made to international mongering. So if you if you perceive that someone is not doing as you do, well then you more than make up for it with the plenitude of your reports. Maybe if you think along those lines you won't be so quick to be hostile to the newcomers on the forum with that RTFF Squad crapola.[/QUOTE]Of the 5,000 reports, how many are just telling people to RTFF, or telling them that they're manager class? LOL Maybe 50%? Agree that this type of passive aggressive behaviour only puts newbies off. The Philippines board in particular is quite ruthless and it doesn't need to be

This missive is geared toward those who frequent the lower-end offerings in the Ermita area of Manila and are somewhat price sensitive and willing to accept average-looking providers. Those of you with higher standards and bulging wallets might want to ignore my story.

A couple of weeks ago I spent a few days in Manila on both ends of a trip to China. I'm retired and on a fixed income and I'm not that much of a nightlife kind of guy. So I went looking for daytime and early evening freelancers at Ermita's well-known lower-rent areas: LA Cafe', the first floor of Robinson's Place Ermita, and the mall side intersection of Adriatico and Pedro Gil streets. Unfortunately the Amazonia Bar has departed the Earth. May its soul rest in peace.

There were plenty of somewhat average-looking providers available, and I asked a few about their prices. 6 months ago the standard price for short time was between 1,000 and 1,500 pesos. But it appears 2,000 pesos is their new price, and most were resistant to cutting their rate to 1,500.

When I would decline and walk away, some would capitulate and say they would be okay with 1,500. But through experience I have learned that in the room they will attempt to guilt me into paying the extra 500. I hate being put in an awkward situation when I'm about to do the deed so I try to avoid haggling whenever possible.

One night I had a couple of beers at the LA Cafe' and decided to head down to the Duck Inn, located on Del Pilar Street about half way between the LA Cafe' and United Nations Avenue. Along the way I passed Hussy's Bar, which has been around for years. I always assumed it was an unsavory "clip joint" so I never visited. But after passing the door, I heard a voice say, "Sir, where are you going"?

Turns out it was a Hussy's GRO in her mid-20's, wearing a mini dress, 4 inch heels, and looking sexier than most of the LA Cafe' women. So I turned around, said Hello, and asked about drink prices. She said customer's beers are 100 and ladies' drinks were 195, which was certainly acceptable to me.

There were about 6 women there, all dressed in a somewhat sexy manner. There were 3 western patrons having a great time too. So my newfound friend and I sat at the bar and enjoyed a couple of drinks and had a very nice no-pressure conversation. After talking about our love of dancing, she asked if I wanted to take her to a club to go dancing. I asked about her barfine and was surprised to hear it was a mere 1,500. So after paying the fine plus 600 for drinks, we headed out the door.

I won't go into great detail about the night's events, but we hit it off famously. The next day was a free day for me, and she asked about my plans. As I didn't have any, she suggested we go on a day trip via bus to Tagaytay. All she asked for was an additional 500 pesos to cover the fee the bar charges girls when they are absent from work. It also equals how much the bar takes out of a 1,500 peso barfine.

I really enjoyed our two days together and could tell she was a sweet girl with a somewhat hard-luck story. So before I checked out of the hotel, I pulled 2,500 pesos from my wallet and handed it to her. She pushed it away and I could tell she didn't want to take it. But I told her that as a single mom, she really needs the money for her kid. To that she shook her head in agreement, took the bills, gave me a heartfelt hug and thanked me.

So during the taxi ride to NAIA I asked myself, "Why is this gal content with netting 1,000 pesos out of a long time barfine while the Ermita freelancers were holding out for 2,000 for short time"? I just have a feeling the local freelance cartel made an edict that 2,000 was to be the new asking price, and most men just go along with the flow and pay it.

Finally I arrived back in Manila and headed to the LA Cafe'. Armed with this newfound knowledge, l felt better equipped to negotiate from a position of strength. I saddled up to the bar and eventually bought a lady a drink. Finally we started discussing price, and she said her short time fee was 2,000. I replied, "Hey, I can go down the street to Hussy's bar and their barfine is just 1,500". And without batting an eye she replied, "Ok I will go for one-five". Back at the room I got pretty darned good service and she didn't try to upsize the price or even ask for a tip.

Just remember, capitalism is good, knowledge is king, and the cheaper the grapes, the sweeter the wine.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2165276]First, Filipinos sometimes pretend to understand when in fact they do not want to look dumb by admitting they don't.[/QUOTE]This. Not just when they don't understand, but when they feel you want an answer. My Filipina wife drives me mad doing this: "Do you know where the USB charger is?" - "look on the table honey" - "it's not there, did you see it there?" - "no". ARRRGGHH. Just tell me you don't know instead of leading me on a wild goose chase.

Also, I found this funny rather than annoying. Decent restaurant at Mall of Asia overlooking the baywalk. I order a meat dish and some vegetables from the "Vegetarian" section of the menu. The veg turns up with shrimp, pork, and octopus floating in it. I ask the waiter "Isn't this supposed to be a vegetarian dish?" - "Yes, it's a vegetarian dish, sir," he says. Completely deadpan a split second later he adds "With pork. ".

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2165906]So I went looking for daytime and early evening freelancers at Ermita's well-known lower-rent areas: LA Cafe', the first floor of Robinson's Place Ermita, and the mall side intersection of Adriatico and Pedro Gil streets. [/QUOTE]I have been surprised in my last couple visits to the area by the numbers of women plying the street trade at the intersection of Adriatico and Pedro Gil. My sense is that this has developed because of the traffic of Koreans and Middle Easterners around the businesses there that cater to them. I also saw a few on the other side of Pedro Gil in front of McDonalds--and a few LBs. These women can be quite persistent. If you don't respond to the first "Hello, sir," they will follow you for a distance down the street.

Interesting observations about the Hussy's and LAC equation. But if your report sends more mongers to Hussy's, will those prices escalate and the "sweet" girls there become more hardened?

Your story of the woman you took to Tagaytay suggests there are exceptions to the sweeping generalizations that are prevalent in the forum about the mercenary instincts of Filipina p4ps.

Did you hear a ding from her phone. She probably got a text from the white guy who is sending her money, saying he just arrived and heading to her place of which he is paying for.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2164470]I get a spinner from la cafe. I just got in from Angeles so i was too tired to talk her out of a lady drink. So already out 350 p from the get go LOL.

Long story short. Back at my place she keeps asking me to go harder amd faster. She wanted a serious pounding. But then she yells "it hurts, cum fast. ".

A sentence that for sure will Prevent me from cumming. I stop immediately. She yells it hurts again at which point she freaks out and runs to the bathroom and starts usng that toilet butt blaster on her pussy like it will cool it off.

I was just hoping this isn't some scam.

I specify that I am not into fucking her if she is not into it and it Hurts. She promises "no drama it really hurts. ".

I talk her into a discount (not a big one, prob just covered the drinks, so still out around 1500).

But wrf. Anyone else come. Across that weirdness? So strange.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2165906].........I really enjoyed our two days together and could tell she was a sweet girl with a somewhat hard-luck story. So before I checked out of the hotel, I pulled 2,500 pesos from my wallet and handed it to her. She pushed it away and I could tell she didn't want to take it. But I told her that as a single mom, she really needs the money for her kid. To that she shook her head in agreement, took the bills, gave me a heartfelt hug and thanked me.....[/QUOTE]Whenever a girl refuses money in such circumstances I tell her it is not for her but for her child/ren, add parents / dependents.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2166049]I have been surprised in my last couple visits to the area by the numbers of women plying the street trade at the intersection of Adriatico and Pedro Gil. My sense is that this has developed because of the traffic of Koreans and Middle Easterners around the businesses there that cater to them. I also saw a few on the other side of Pedro Gil in front of McDonalds--and a few LBs. These women can be quite persistent. If you don't respond to the first "Hello, sir," they will follow you for a distance down the street.

Interesting observations about the Hussy's and LAC equation. But if your report sends more mongers to Hussy's, will those prices escalate and the "sweet" girls there become more hardened?

Your story of the woman you took to Tagaytay suggests there are exceptions to the sweeping generalizations that are prevalent in the forum about the mercenary instincts of Filipina p4ps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info about street providers hanging out in the area around McDonald's down by Taft Ave and Pedro Gil street. I'll be sure to check it out when I'm there next month.

Concerning your comment about the environment changing at Hussy's, I'm certain that only a small number of LA Cafe' patrons consistently read the Manila section of the ISG. And my article will disappear into the morass very quickly, so I don't anticipate an uptick in Hussy's customer count.

I'm thankful I lucked into finding a gal who found me desirable even though there is more than a 30 year gap in our ages. I'm also thankful I was able to board a plane the next day and fly home to Mindanao and leave her behind.

Excessive GFE is wonderful in the short-term and it's happened to me quite often now that I've been permanently living here for the past 4 years. One common denominator is that I've exclusively been dating the lower-priced women whose customers are mainly Filipinos instead of the higher-rent ones who have a lot of exposure to westerners. Some of my best experiences lately have come from the 700-1,000 peso streetwalkers that hang out around the Central Bank building in Davao City. There are some real gems whose conversational English is weak but are genuinely attracted to foreigners.

But I've learned the hard way that having these gals become smitten with me can provide medium-term complications if I allow them even a small amount of access into my real life. Hell hath no fury like a Pinay who's learned she isn't your one and only.

On a moralistic side note, I always use a condom for intercourse and never eat at the "Y" with service providers. Except this week I let my guard down. In Manila I took a G Point bar freelancer back to my room and had a ball-draining night. Unfortunately I ran out of condoms and made the stupidly unfortunate decision to bareback her in the morning because my raging hard-on took control of my brain after she swore she was "clean". Thank goodness I didn't have a bullet left in the chamber so no ejaculation occurred.

But 5 days later (yesterday), my local physician gave me a shot in the butt, two pills to wash down with water, and a short lecture. It was my first encounter with the penile-tip pain of an STD and I don't want to go through this again. Back to putting my trust in Trust condoms.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2167198]Thanks for the info about street providers hanging out in the area around McDonald's down by Taft Ave and Pedro Gil street. I'll be sure to check it out when I'm there next month.[/QUOTE]There is a McDonalds near Taft and Pedro Gil, but I'm specifically talking about the one at Adriatico and Pedro Gil, about a half block from Robinson's Place Mall.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2167198]..............Manila I took a G Point bar freelancer back to my room and had a ball-draining night. Unfortunately I ran out of condoms and made the stupidly unfortunate decision to bareback her in the morning because my raging hard-on took control of my brain after she swore she was "clean". ........[/QUOTE]You're lucky, there is a bacteria resistant strain of gonorreia that is going around.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2167303]You're lucky, there is a bacteria resistant strain of gonorreia that is going around.[/QUOTE]Do you mean an Antibiotic resistant strain of gonorrhea?

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2164553]Your investigation should have revealed that Jackson recommended one of his entries for a Report of Distinction. If you are going to be an unwelcome enforcer on the Orwellian RTFF squad, at least be thorough.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the backup. I guess I'll contribute w / a FR.

The quick response for me to use SOGO was spot on. Cleared customs in 20 min, used airport Wifi to download grab taxi, linked up my CC, then went to the sim card counter to buy 1 day of data. Had grab take me to sogo across edsa, booked a 4 hour room. Left my stuff there, walked across the street to edsa, grabbed a beer, had some popcorn, flirted w / the mamasan and a few chicks. Asked what the bar fine was it and it was 3 k for the girl for short time and only 1 pop. I forgot what was for the house. I think 1.5-2 k. What the flying fuck, so expensive compared to AC. Whatever, I had no time, and a flight to catch at 3:55 am. Pick a girl w / not baby, and nice boobies. She said ST 1 pop. I said forget it, then she said OK 2 pops. I paid, we walked across the bridge. Up the room we go, shower separately. Next time I'm going to ask if they shower together. Out comes a half ass BJ. She asked if I wanted CBJ or BBBJ. I said BBBJ of course. A few positions then I pop. We talk about where she's from etc. On to round 2. She asked if she could use a condom because I nutted already. Wtf. Whatever, fine I said. Half ass CBJ, then a few positions. Pounded her doggie while she rubbed my balls. She showered, left. I took a 1.5 hour nap, woke up and left for the airport in my grab.

Once again, the info for which hotel to use was exactly what I needed and appreciated.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2165322]Have you tried Uber / Grab here yet? I hear it is more reliable, fewer bad experiences. I might try it on the way out this week to the airport and see if it works, but if you've tried it already I'd love to hear your take. I know you say "you screwed up" by not recognizing the reference to "Taft" BUT how many possible details and hand holding can you possibly take care of for filipinos? Some things are bound to fall through the cracks. I suppose we should all draw out / print out map directions. But that still won't solve the million other screw ups and scams a manila driver might pull.[/QUOTE]A big benefit of Grab is that the app that the driver uses has a GPS map. We all know that GPS directions may not be the best route but they will get you there in the end.

[QUOTE=PBtoCobra;2167918]Do you mean an Antibiotic resistant strain of gonorrhea?[/QUOTE]Yes, my mistake. It seems to be getting more prevalent.

Does anybody know if the uniformed girls handing out leaflets for massages, near Robinson's Mall, are genuine massage girls, or is it a cover for P4P? Anybody tried?

[QUOTE=JcFromNz;2168969]Does anybody know if the uniformed girls handing out leaflets for massages, near Robinson's Mall, are genuine massage girls, or is it a cover for P4P? Anybody tried?[/QUOTE]Everything is negotiable. Just ask.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2161940]The girls really do not care if the foreigner runs or not unless they are greedy gold diggers, and even those have no recourse whatsoever again a foreigner. The Filipinos do not provide for the girls they impregnate because it is the responsibility of her tribe / relatives to raise the child. No Pinay ever raises a child on her own. Furthermore, children sired on a Pinay by a foreign monger will inevitably grow up to be loyal to their mother, and regard their foreign father as nothing more than a reckless cash dispensing walking penis. Many mongers will eventually become alienated by their spawn's materialistic attitude towards them.[/QUOTE]Have personally witnessed this play out many times.

I will not be using Yellow taxi at T1 anymore. Total rip offs.

Was in Manila and had ex-AC bg commute from Cavite for 2 hours to see me. She was chubby before but had lost 10 kilos, all in the right places. Really some nice curves on her. I had sent her money for transport to come and never had any doubts about it. Even sent her load for her cp to stay in contact while she was coming. All in 2 k.

This is the culmination report of the 4 days in Ermita. I was at LA Cafe again on my last night around 5. Few 6's a couple of 7's and the rest were fuglies. I ordered food to kill time hoping that things would pick up. I shared my food with a girl hoping to get some insights, yet she never stopped telling me her sad life story. Around 6:30 I finally gave up.

I went back to the condo for a quick shower. (I fell sticky after a day of bouncing between Harizon Plaza Mall and Robinson). Then I had a legit foot massage in nearby Nuat Thai. I could hear myself snored every now and then. They tried to upsell a discounted full body massage. For 10 bucks, you can't go wrong.

Walk back to LA CAFE. Went to the far corner on the left where the pool is located. Middle Eastern area. Saw an 8 by the wall drinking with a group of girls and a Middle Eastern guy. More fuglies coming at me. I just smiled at them and wave them off. One girl was so persistent I was having hard time shaking her off. My criteria was an 8 or above no older than 23. A 7.5 will do if she is skinny with no Jolibee tummy. (BTW Katryn Bernardo is 10 on my books) That girl by the wall fit the bill. I waited for my turn hoping that the middle eastern guy would move to another spot. I took my eyes off for a bit and enjoyed a cat fight between two fuglies right in front of me. It lasted for a good 5 minutes before security came fry them apart! It was really hilarious and I was smiling ear to ear. The next thing I know the girl I was eyeing was already chatting with an American dude. I was hoping the dude would hoop on to the next girl in line as well. But they walk out the door together. She was by far the most attractive girl of the night. There were some 7's but either they were way over age or has Jolibee tummy. It's now half past 9 with no prospect. I started to wander around. Went up to the second floor. No entrance fee. A live band was playing. An all-girl group except the drummer who looked like a trike driver in contrast to the 3 beautiful female singers. One was a dead ringer of Anne Hathaway. After the show, I continued to wander around into the small alcove by the washrooms. There's nothing there. I wandered past the small shop and into the Korean-Japanese territory. Some groups of Asians drinking with 2 or 3 girls with them. The rest of the girls were also in groups busy with their phones at the corner by the mini store. In fairness, these girls were 8's or 9's on my book. I stood behind that group surveying the field. Suddenly the girl setting next to where I was suddenly look up and introduced herself. I forgot her name so let's just call her A. She is a solid 8.5. I presumed her rates was way off the charts so I was not keen on taking her as of yet. However, I made a mental note that if by midnight I could not see anything else I like, then she is my first choice.

I walked out the door and headed to G Point. I heard rev reviews of this place so I wanted to check it out. I wasn't impressed upon entering. The ratio of girls and guys is almost 50 50. The music is not too loud though. Nothing to report home. I decided to go back to LA Cafe and grab A. Before going upstairs, I stopped by the landing and survived the field one last time. This spot is perfect because you can pretty much see the entire ground floor panning from left to right plus you can see whose going up and down the stairs. However, you can't stay here for too long or the guards ask you to move somewhere else. Two girls propositioned for 4 k threesome. One had a bad bread so wasn't interested. But the other one was an 8. Let me call her be. Both looked young with no Jolibee tummy. It's 11 PM and things were looking up. I made another mental note to take the be for 2 k if the A is no longer available. I did promise be that I would take her out only after I watch the live band. I excused myself and headed upstairs. Just when I was about to go up, a fine young lady (another 8. 5 to me) smiled as she walked passed by. Her name is Mabel. She was heading out with a friend. I presumed they were calling it a night. So then I went upstairs to enjoy the live band, and boy all I could say was that these Filipinas are really talented! After a few songs, I decided I had enough and my ears could not take it anymore as I was seating near the front row. In my mind I was formulating on how to ditch the be so I could walk away with A. I didn't want to hurt her feelings. They are prostitutes but they are humans too. I went to the Korean-Japanese looking for A and hoping that be was not looking my way. To my surprise, both of them were nowhere to be found! I was about to kick myself when I saw the Mabel setting alone at the table opposite the mini store. Without thinking, I ask her right away if she want to come with me. I did not even ask for the price. I told her I would walk away first and meet me at 7/11 store in Adriatico and I didn't want any confrontation with be.

I went to the 7/11 store Adriatico corner Mabini St. I quickly grab something to eat while waiting for the girl. She arrived in 15 minutes and off to the condo we went. At the condo, I just realized how pretty she was even without makeup. A rare gem if you ask me. She has a quite somber demeanor and her smile was contiguous. I sat her down on a small sofa bed facing the windows. The condo on the 26th floor was overlooking Manila district. Harbor lights and Fort Santiago at the distance, such a nice view at night. I deemed the lights for romantic effects. I was so content on just looking at her. I think I was falling in love. She asked me to set beside her which I quickly did. We were just chatting while we hold hands, kissing her soft lips like a real GF. After all these years of going to LA Café, I think this is the first time I had fallen in love. It was already 1:30 AM, way past my bedtime. She was leaning on my chest while I was drifting away. It is time to unwrapped the gift. The air conditioner was set to high and she was cold after her quick shower. I let her slip into my unused shirt. I was totally smitten by this girl. The session was slow and gentle.

In two years, I am hoping to semi retire. I plan to visit this happy place every 6 months. I hope she would become my regular.

Dear all,

Just seeking some suggestions, have traveled extensively to Thailand, Indonesia, HCM, HK etc. First time trip to Philippines from May 1 to May 6th. Currently planning 3 nights in Manila and 2 nights in Angeles City to get a feel for the place. Will Cebu be better than Angeles or stick to current plan?

Any suggestions / thoughts will be welcome.

Thanks.

Osaka.

If you have only five nights to spend in the Philippines out of which three will be in Manila, then it's better to spend the remaining two nights in Angeles as it is only a two hour drive from Manila.

[QUOTE=Osaka;2170483] First time trip to Philippines from May 1 to May 6th. Currently planning 3 nights in Manila and 2 nights in Angeles City to get a feel for the place. Will Cebu be better than Angeles or stick to current plan? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osaka;2170483]Dear all,
Will Cebu be better than Angeles or stick to current plan?

Any suggestions / thoughts will be welcome.

Thanks.

Osaka.[/QUOTE]I find it easier to hunt in Angeles than in Cebu.

[QUOTE=Osaka;2170483]Dear all,

Just seeking some suggestions, have traveled extensively to Thailand, Indonesia, HCM, HK etc. First time trip to Philippines from May 1 to May 6th. Currently planning 3 nights in Manila and 2 nights in Angeles City to get a feel for the place. Will Cebu be better than Angeles or stick to current plan?

Any suggestions / thoughts will be welcome.

Thanks.

Osaka.[/QUOTE]You can fly into cebu if you have pre arranged girls from chat sites. Cebu bar scene is different. Cebu atleast in my books is strictly to have fun with girls from dating sites. There are flights from Cebu to angeles.

In angeles plenty of bargirls as well as so called freelancers. Once you are done with fun in angeles you can take a two hour taxi to the airport in Manila and fly back.

If you are only interested in bargirls and did not meet any in dating sites. Spend two nights in Manila and three nights in angeles.

Charm of angeles is you fit right in as a mongerer. Nobody bats a eyelid about what you are doing in public or if you are with a girl half your age. Everybody has seen everything. Cost wise price is pretty much fixed for the bargirls, negotiable for freelancers. Generally safe although some scams are out there. There are no family tourists like you find in pattaya or Phnom Penh or Shenzhen. Various girls of all sizes and shapes. You can hit on any girl unless you go to local bars. Entertainment district is walking area.

Manila is a big city. Plenty of distances between venues. I am sure you have read the reports here. You can also try to get girls from dating sites here. Beware that there are various scams here. Do not be gullible. Cost wise more expensive than angeles. Negotiations is the key.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2170741]I find it easier to hunt in Angeles than in Cebu.[/QUOTE]Hunt? In Angeles it is more like shopping.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2170821]You can fly into cebu if you have pre arranged girls from chat sites. Cebu bar scene is different. Cebu atleast in my books is strictly to have fun with girls from dating sites. There are flights from Cebu to angeles.

In angeles plenty of bargirls as well as so called freelancers. Once you are done with fun in angeles you can take a two hour taxi to the airport in Manila and fly back.

If you are only interested in bargirls and did not meet any in dating sites. Spend two nights in Manila and three nights in angeles..[/QUOTE]I lived in Bangkok for more than 20 years and traveled throughout SE Asia but never considered the Philippines. That was a mistake. I mongered in Thailand, was married to a Thai girl for 12 years, a corporate consultant from a fine family. During this marriage I had encounters that were not spoken to about to my wife, bit I new she new and accepted wit grace. She passed away and I lived with several other girls, one very young but I some ways amazing, one older, 50 years old, but was very attractive and loved sex, but was so insanely jealous that I had to get out. Even after four years she will email me to come back. Tempting but no.

The reason I write all this is to set the stage for my residence in Manila. My first trip almost three years ago I joined a dating site and after two months had a lust of over 50 girls who would come meet me, ages from 19 to 50. Only a few requested any compensation, those I immediately rejected. It was quite a chore weeding them out. I as upfront about my age 62, the fact I was open to long term relationships, the fact I wanted unprotected sex and required a checkup first.

I chatted I. Skype with many. Finally arranged for 6 girls in 7 days with several backups. All showed up, even one with her friend, all stayed the night and never asked for compensation except cab fare. Needless to say I gave them all some compensation. Filipinos are the most open, giving, agreeable women in general and all sincerely enjoyed the encounters and wanted more action. Amazing. But do not lie to them. They will make you happy and more. I went to the various venues mentioned here. Interesting but not my style. Try the dating sites and I believe you will be much better served. Good luck. Let me know.

John.

5 pm until 11 pm to find a girl in Malate?

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2170246]This is the culmination report of the 4 days in Ermita. I was at LA Cafe again on my last night around 5. Few 6's a couple of 7's and the rest were fuglies. I ordered food to kill time hoping that things would pick up. I shared my food with a girl hoping to get some insights, yet she never stopped telling me her sad life story. Around 6:30 I finally gave up.

I went back to the condo for a quick shower. (I fell sticky after a day of bouncing between Harizon Plaza Mall and Robinson). Then I had a legit foot massage in nearby Nuat Thai. I could hear myself snored every now and then. They tried to upsell a discounted full body massage. For 10 bucks, you can't go wrong.

Walk back to LA CAFE. Went to the far corner on the left where the pool is located. Middle Eastern area. Saw an 8 by the wall drinking with a group of girls and a Middle Eastern guy. More fuglies coming at me. I just smiled at them and wave them off. One girl was so persistent I was having hard time shaking her off. My criteria was an 8 or above no older than 23. A 7.5 will do if she is skinny with no Jolibee tummy. (BTW Katryn Bernardo is 10 on my books) That girl by the wall fit the bill..[/QUOTE]

Was talking to a few mates about how individual pursuits of the divine pinay pudenda had got started, and I was taken back 30 or more years to a leafy Sydney suburb in the middle of a sweltering summer.

I was working uni holidays on the parks and gardens squad of the local council. What a gig that was. Anyway, as part of our job we had to drop ute loads of rubbish at the local tip. At the tip worked a dozer driver, local character, fierce drinker by the name of Mick, and I remember with absolute clarity the following exchange:

How's it going, Mick?

Good boys, great. Off tomorrow to Manila for me holidays.

(Now in those days I had never heard of pinays nor sex trips nor anything like that).

What the hell are you going there for, Mick?

Aw, mate, those Filipino girls'll do anything for you, mate. They'll turn themselves inside out for ya! So, I'm off for a month with me five thousand bucks and I'll fuck myself to a standstill every fucken day, I will. Fuck myself to a fucken standstill!

That last sentence was said with great anticipatory relish by Mick, and I have never forgotten that exchange. In time, many years later, I myself learned in Manila what excited Mick so much on that hot Sydney arvo. Now, whenever the occasion arises that I have an absolutely top-notch, energetic fuck session with one of our dusky princesses – and they do happen now and again, right? – I recall that day and I always describe the session by saying "fucked myself to a fucken standstill!" r. I. P Mick.

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2173559]Was talking to a few mates about how individual pursuits of the divine pinay pudenda had got started, and I was taken back 30 or more years to a leafy Sydney suburb in the middle of a sweltering summer.

I was working uni holidays on the parks and gardens squad of the local council. What a gig that was. Anyway, as part of our job we had to drop ute loads of rubbish at the local tip. At the tip worked a dozer driver, local character, fierce drinker by the name of Mick, and I remember with absolute clarity the following exchange:

How's it going, Mick?

Good boys, great. Off tomorrow to Manila for me holidays.

(Now in those days I had never heard of pinays nor sex trips nor anything like that).

What the hell are you going there for, Mick?

Aw, mate, those Filipino girls'll do anything for you, mate. They'll turn themselves inside out for ya! So, I'm off for a month with me five thousand bucks and I'll fuck myself to a standstill every fucken day, I will. Fuck myself to a fucken standstill!

That last sentence was said with great anticipatory relish by Mick, and I have never forgotten that exchange. In time, many years later, I myself learned in Manila what excited Mick so much on that hot Sydney arvo. Now, whenever the occasion arises that I have an absolutely top-notch, energetic fuck session with one of our dusky princesses and they do happen now and again, right? I recall that day and I always describe the session by saying "fucked myself to a fucken standstill!" r. I. P Mick.[/QUOTE]I love your work Waz.

When I was a teenager, I met an American bloke who used to work in Saudi in the 1970's. He said that for his are&are breaks he would go to Bangkok and rent a hooker for a week. He said she would be like your girlfriend for the whole duration he was in Thailand. I knew about hookers in Australia as being available for 1 hour or so, but not for a week. This was a new concept. That man had a big impact on me. And now I'm living that life.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2170830]Hunt? In Angeles it is more like shopping.[/QUOTE]In a shop filled with thirsty mosquitos.

[QUOTE=Osaka;2170483]Currently planning 3 nights in Manila and 2 nights in Angeles City to get a feel for the place. Will Cebu be better than Angeles or stick to current plan?
[/QUOTE]What is the purpose of your mission? Is it for the hapenis? If you want get get laid very often with multiple girls throughout the day and night with little to no hassle at all your best bet is Angeles for the entirety of your visit.

Daytime Manila action is either what you can rustle up on the dating sites (not difficult, but still requires effort) or LA (24 x7, but not many girls around until early afternoon) and Burgos (afternoon), both which are a long commute (time) from each other. Burgos is much more expensive than LA and Angeles, and Angeles out performs in both quantity and price. Now, if you want to see some tourist sights, wander some malls, go clubbing, breathe exhaust, twist your ankle on broken pavement, etc., Manila is the better choice. And the dining is superior too. Manila is outstanding from 11 pm to dawn, but still if you rely on bargirls then Angeles is the better option. From 6 am to 10 pm Manila is dreadful, except for Sunday, if you or the girl(s) are commuting in the city's streets. It may strike you that I'm down on Manila, which is not my intent because I love the place. I make it work for me and accept the things I cannot change. This understanding did not come to me on day one; it was several weeks of dashing to and fro until I decided I'm only having meetings in my condo.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2174024]In a shop filled with thirsty mosquitos.[/QUOTE]Don't forget shops are filled with the prickly little bastards, oops, I mean donors!

I'm planning to visit PI for the first time from May 10-19 starting out a few nights in Manila when I arrive. I've read about the various possibilities, but I prefer a party atmosphere with freelancer girls- more specifically discos / clubs. I've previously read of the ZZYZX and Exclusive clubs having freelancers.

Are these still the best clubs?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Bijou;2174464]I'm planning to visit PI for the first time from May 10-19 starting out a few nights in Manila when I arrive. I've read about the various possibilities, but I prefer a party atmosphere with freelancer girls- more specifically discos / clubs. I've previously read of the ZZYZX and Exclusive clubs having freelancers.

Are these still the best clubs?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]A picture is worth a 1000 posts.

Just a shout out in relation to this post.

I certainly agree the dating sites are the go.

A lot fun to be had, girls of all ages only to happy to meet and please you.

Enjoy the Philippines for what it is, respect all you meet there even the Punisher if you have the pleasure of meeting him.

Cheers lwd.

[QUOTE=JohnaCarson;2171262]I lived in Bangkok for more than 20 years and traveled throughout SE Asia but never considered the Philippines. That was a mistake. I mongered in Thailand, was married to a Thai girl for 12 years, a corporate consultant from a fine family. During this marriage I had encounters that were not spoken to about to my wife, bit I new she new and accepted wit grace. She passed away and I lived with several other girls, one very young but I some ways amazing, one older, 50 years old, but was very attractive and loved sex, but was so insanely jealous that I had to get out. Even after four years she will email me to come back. Tempting but no.

The reason I write all this is to set the stage for my residence in Manila. My first trip almost three years ago I joined a dating site and after two months had a lust of over 50 girls who would come meet me, ages from 19 to 50. Only a few requested any compensation, those I immediately rejected. It was quite a chore weeding them out. I as upfront about my age 62, the fact I was open to long term relationships, the fact I wanted unprotected sex and required a checkup first..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osaka;2170483]Dear all,

Just seeking some suggestions, have traveled extensively to Thailand, Indonesia, HCM, HK etc. First time trip to Philippines from May 1 to May 6th. Currently planning 3 nights in Manila and 2 nights in Angeles City to get a feel for the place. Will Cebu be better than Angeles or stick to current plan?

Any suggestions / thoughts will be welcome.

Thanks.

Osaka.[/QUOTE]Here is a correlation if you are familiar with Thailand:

Bangkok. Manila.

Pattaya. Angeles.

Hi,

Good app / website to hook up with ladies for fun in Manila?

Dear all,

Thanks to all for your wonderful suggestions. I did stick to the recommendations of the fellow mongers and stuck to Manila for 3 nights and Angeles for 2 nights.

I made all the reservations and arrived in Manila from BKK on and 1st May and checked into the City Garden Suites Hotel in Manila. There was a delay at the check in time and a non smoking room was not available, the girl at the reception upgraded me to a bigger room, # 210. Shortly though there was an emergency back home and I was forced to make travel arrangements for immediate return back.

My flight back was late next evening and there was to be only 1 night for me in Manila. I decided that La Cafe would be my best bet. I walked in around 12 AM and simply headed upstairs. I ordered a LIT and soon a young girl came over, I ordered a beer for her as well for courtesy sake. We made some chit chat but there was no chemistry. She went to the bathroom and never came back. A live band was playing and I enjoyed the music for an hour or so and went over to the cashier to pay the bill. The cashier was funny and we joked around a bit and I saw another across from the cashier sitting alone but smiling. I went over and said Hi. She said she was Hanna, 28 year with a son. Said she was trained as a care giver. I mentioned my need of a massage. She said she could be giving me one right away. She discussed the payment terms 4000 pesos, I did not haggle as compared to BKK this was OK, maybe I overpaid but hey this was 1 night only here. I did not want to spoil the mood.

I walked down and she joined a few minutes later outside LA Cafe.

Went to the room, she said shower together and I was like sure).

Gave me a pretty decent massage for 40 minutes or so. She was about 4 11, 48 kg or so but with big boobs, a little chubby but in the right places. Only downside was the hair at the why.

Gave me uncovered BJ, I gave in return and she was moaning and shuddering. However she said the deed was to be with a cover only, which was OK with me since I do not believe in bareback.

All in all overall positive experience, paid her after the deed was done, she did not even ask once before.

Went down to 7/11 at the street below to get something to eat, bought food and drinks for her and self. She gave a hug and bye bye it was.

Takeaways:

1. LA Cafe is definitely a place to be.

2. got to go for a girl if you like her, I missed one as I came in and debated in my mind and then she was gone with someone else.

Will try to get back to Manila as soon as I can since other places to see and visit.

Thanks again to my fellow mongers.

Osaka.

Thank you for taking the time to report and sorry to hear that your trip was cut short. It really warms the cold hearts of us long timers here when we see this kind of follow-up. X-Man.

[QUOTE=Osaka;2176215]Dear all,

Thanks to all for your wonderful suggestions. I did stick to the recommendations of the fellow mongers and stuck to Manila for 3 nights and Angeles for 2 nights.

I made all the reservations and arrived in Manila from BKK on and 1st May and checked into the City Garden Suites Hotel in Manila. There was a delay at the check in time and a non smoking room was not available, the girl at the reception upgraded me to a bigger room, # 210. Shortly though there was an emergency back home and I was forced to make travel arrangements for immediate return back.

SNIP

Osaka.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bijou;2174464]I'm planning to visit PI for the first time from May 10-19 starting out a few nights in Manila when I arrive. I've read about the various possibilities, but I prefer a party atmosphere with freelancer girls- more specifically discos / clubs. I've previously read of the ZZYZX and Exclusive clubs having freelancers.

Are these still the best clubs?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Probably, though many ZZYZX girls may only have an interest in Korean guys. Royal in Makati (very close to Burgos) can also be good, and there will certainly be some hookers at the clubs in The Fort, but there will also be regular girls who aren't 'working' in them.

Just about everything possible to write has come up in the endless pages of this forum, which now seems to mostly focus on the delights of a particular rattle or a few back and forth quotes and the quality of a hotel. I'll summarize my most recent experience so that a new comer can benefit quickly to gain the skills and knowledge to write their own conclusions about the lady of their dreams and the venue in which delights were uncanned.

I stayed in Malate, about 20 minutes in minimum traffic from the airport. Airport taxi got me to the hotel for 800 pesos.

My place of choice, the Victoria Court Hotel, was recommended by someone on some site, and I can see why. It is a drive-in, no-tell shacking up spot with short term to 24 hour stays. Cars can park inside closed garages, so if you have a car, no one at all see the lady who pulls a cap over her face or covers it with a scarf until safely behind locked doors. Lots of locals come in, and you can just roll down your window and give a hand signal, all of which are shown on a convenient sign posted near the outside check in stand. The hand signal lets them know what type of room you want, and then I guess you specific how many hours. The ranges seem to go from 2 to 24 hours. I booked my cheap room ($50 per night) on line and walked in from the taxi. Pay in advance, get the key, go the nice, but sparse, room. AC works well, hot shower, windows shut absolutely blocking out any sun (good for sleeping in), TV with all the channels and you can come and go as you please with whoever (and how many of these whoevers) you want. The sign for the hotel is a lady giving the "shhhhhssss" sign, as in "don't tell. ".

There are other types of these hotels, and they are mostly chains. SoGo, right across the street from Victoria, costs about $10 for two hours, no questions asked at check in. Good options if you want to keep your place and goods safe and all else away from your home base.

The seedier areas start just outside, and if you walk around a bit you will weave in and out of karaoke joints and a few go go bars, punctuated by beer garden type gigs, Korean restaruants and local eateries where common folk drink giant red horse beers with ice. Plenty of girls in the street, especially later in the evening in the few blocks with the most bar type things. Again, pretty obvious who they are.

I spent a lot of time at the L. A. Café, which stays open 24 hours and from what I could see, has girls any time you pop in. I had breakfast at around 10 AM and was surprised and the quantity, and quality, available. It just gets better as the day goes on and peaks about midnight. Every girl not wearing a serving outfit is available, and as mentioned often before, 1500 pesos ($30) is the going rate when one of the girls tickles your fancy. No bar fine, and beers for everyone (meaning the ladies too) are 100 pesos ($2). If you buy a drink for a waitress it gets another 100 pesos added on, so beware if that annoys you. Girls will bargain on their price, especially as the night wears on, and they come and stay the night—your hotel is probably much better than their small room which they share with several other girls, so it is sort of a treat for them I believe. Some will leave when the deed is done, but more the norm to snooze it out with a good morning shag to start the day.

My advice would be to look for a girl who seems to be enjoying herself--one that is happy and smiling and having a bit of fun. She will take this attitude out with her if you are nice to her and treat her well. The girls are in general not as jaded as in other spots, and some really do have day jobs and they don't really think of themselves as hookers. Treat them like working girls and they get a bit offended. Buy her and her friends a beer or so, which at $2 per bottle will not break the bank, make small talk, joke, and generally treat them like fine ladies who have the outlook on life of 19 year-old sorority girls on a binge drinking evening during spring break, and they will make you feel happy too.

The nearby mall, Robinsons, is a popular cruising spot too. Just go stand near the main entrance and wait for girls to walk by and start up a conversation. It took me about 10 minutes to have 3 or 4 give me a go. The asking price was 1500 pesos.

I did get a waitress from one of the beer joints to meet for lunch the next day, after buying her a shot of tequila (with the extra 100 pesos) and asking for her phone number. We had a bit to eat when we met, then went to my hotel room and shagged. I asked if I could give her money to help out. She had paid for the taxi to the hotel after all. She was a bit offended and told me she was not a hooker. I insisted she take about $400 peso to cover her taxi home. I wanted to go see her again, but time and other avenues for adventure in my remaining stay did not allow such a reunion. Alas, next time.

One night while wandering the back roads, I also got a street walker. Negotiated down to $1000 pesos, but she was dull, asked for money once we go to the short stay hotel and not worth the time or money already invested. Better to just hang out at the L. A. Café or the other beer garden type places. The go go bars were boring to me, it was off season and the girls, and there were some lookers for sure, seemed listless and giving off a vibe like they wanted to be somewhere else. The places have bar fines to get the girls out, you got to talk with her about more money, drinks are more expensive and the allure of clothed pole dancers shrugging their shoulders to loud music and looking like they are antsy to check their facebook posts just does not trigger the devil in me.

[QUOTE=Lance-a-Lot;2177939]Just about everything possible to write has come up in the endless pages of this forum, which now seems to mostly focus on the delights of a particular rattle or a few back and forth quotes and the quality of a hotel. I'll summarize my most recent experience so that a new comer can benefit quickly to gain the skills and knowledge to write their own conclusions about the lady of their dreams and the venue in which delights were uncanned.

I stayed in Malate, about 20 minutes in minimum traffic from the airport. Airport taxi got me to the hotel for 800 pesos.

My place of choice, the Victoria Court Hotel, was recommended by someone on some site, and I can see why. It is a drive-in, no-tell shacking up spot with short term to 24 hour stays. Cars can park inside closed garages, so if you have a car, no one at all see the lady who pulls a cap over her face or covers it with a scarf until safely behind locked doors. Lots of locals come in, and you can just roll down your window and give a hand signal, all of which are shown on a convenient sign posted near the outside check in stand. The hand signal lets them know what type of room you want, and then I guess you specific how many hours. The ranges seem to go from 2 to 24 hours. I booked my cheap room ($50 per night) on line and walked in from the taxi. Pay in advance, get the key, go the nice, but sparse, room. AC works well, hot shower, windows shut absolutely blocking out any sun (good for sleeping in), TV with all the channels and you can come and go as you please with whoever (and how many of these whoevers) you want. The sign for the hotel is a lady giving the "shhhhhssss" sign, as in "don't tell. ".[/QUOTE]Good stuff. Thank you.

Hello fellow mongers.

Long time poster in the Taipei forums making first ever trip to Manila for business next week. Been reading a little on the forums and online and wanted to see if the info I have is correct:

LA club seems the easiest to score girls that are freelancers, prices are around 1500 to 2000 for one pop and might even stay the night.

P. burgos street seems the "red light district" and easiest to find action. I am with a business group, so hunting time will be limited.

Bareback seems like its always available and girls seem OK with that.

Those are some of my takeaways, please tell me if these are correct, misguided and if more seasoned brothers have any additional recommendations.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ragnarok42;2179962]Hello fellow mongers.

Long time poster in the Taipei forums making first ever trip to Manila for business next week. Been reading a little on the forums and online and wanted to see if the info I have is correct:

LA club seems the easiest to score girls that are freelancers, prices are around 1500 to 2000 for one pop and might even stay the night.

P. burgos street seems the "red light district" and easiest to find action. I am with a business group, so hunting time will be limited.

Bareback seems like its always available and girls seem OK with that.

Those are some of my takeaways, please tell me if these are correct, misguided and if more seasoned brothers have any additional recommendations.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Wellcome to Manila. Read about Taiwan from you.

Yes, all correct + EDSA, if you just want a prettier girl than LA cafe, but less expensive than Burgos.

Hi all -.

I have been reading for a while, preparing for my first trip to Manila. I have spent many, many months in Thailand and other large Asia cities, so I know a bit but not about Manila.

I have 2 questions, and I ask them mostly because of the very time-limited way that I travel on business.

1) are there any upscale hotels that are girl friendly? I have to book rooms for some colleagues and they'll expect nice hotels with all the trimmings. In most cities I know a Hilton or Marriot, or similar, that is within easy walk to a red light district or some other opportunity. In Bangkok, most of the really top hotels will stop girls at the front door, but if you know where to stay it can be easily handled. Is Manila like this?

2) Are there any sure thin outcall girls, I. E. Independents or a service? When people ask this about Bangkok, a lot of people say 'it's so easy to go out and find something, why bother with an escort? But I know a fantastic service in BKK and I prefer it to going out and finding someone. A lot of this is about time. I have a lot of people to deal with when I'm on the road, so I might not get a window to go out hunting.

Ok, for the record, I DID read a lot but it never hurts to ask!

[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2180089]Hi all -.

I have been reading for a while, preparing for my first trip to Manila. I have spent many, many months in Thailand and other large Asia cities, so I know a bit but not about Manila.

I have 2 questions, and I ask them mostly because of the very time-limited way that I travel on business.

1) are there any upscale hotels that are girl friendly? I have to book rooms for some colleagues and they'll expect nice hotels with all the trimmings. In most cities I know a Hilton or Marriot, or similar, that is within easy walk to a red light district or some other opportunity. In Bangkok, most of the really top hotels will stop girls at the front door, but if you know where to stay it can be easily handled. Is Manila like this?

2) Are there any sure thin outcall girls, I. E. Independents or a service? When people ask this about Bangkok, a lot of people say 'it's so easy to go out and find something, why bother with an escort? But I know a fantastic service in BKK and I prefer it to going out and finding someone. A lot of this is about time. I have a lot of people to deal with when I'm on the road, so I might not get a window to go out hunting.

Ok, for the record, I DID read a lot but it never hurts to ask![/QUOTE]Virtually all of Manila's top end hotels place no restrictions on girls going to your room. My default hotel in Makati is the Fairmont which, together with the Shangri-La likely represents the top of the Makati Hotel pyramid. I've never had an issue with either hotel, though both will call you prior to allowing the girl to go. That said, it probably pays to make sure the girl isn't wearing something so provocative that the hotel could not ignore it.

As to outcall services, Smooci I notice has just started services in Manila. There are other escort services, such as Manila Courtesans that some find reliable. I've never relied on these sorts of services so I'm not speaking from personal experience. As in Bangkok, it's fairly easy to find something to your liking in Manila, in any bar on Burgos St. , or in Edsa Entertainment Complex or even, if you have the time and patience, LA Café. If you've read the forum, I'm sure you've already seen multiple posts on those locations.

Enjoy yourself.

GE.

[QUOTE=Ragnarok42;2179962]Hello fellow mongers.

Long time poster in the Taipei forums making first ever trip to Manila for business next week. Been reading a little on the forums and online and wanted to see if the info I have is correct:

LA club seems the easiest to score girls that are freelancers, prices are around 1500 to 2000 for one pop and might even stay the night.

P. burgos street seems the "red light district" and easiest to find action. I am with a business group, so hunting time will be limited.

Bareback seems like its always available and girls seem OK with that.

Those are some of my takeaways, please tell me if these are correct, misguided and if more seasoned brothers have any additional recommendations.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are used the quality of women you find in Taipei, you will be sorely disappointed with the ones at LA Cafe. Burgos is indeed the RLD street, and some of the places like Bottoms, Kojax and PlanB have incredibly hot women, but they are mind numbingly expensive. Another popular spot to check out is EDSA. The clubs in Manila are always a great place to find talent, but they get going real late and you definitely need a bit of game.

[QUOTE=Sandman;6413]Thanks Marconista,

I'll try to check out these places you suggested. Where is Cafe Ermita at?

What about the malls like Glorieta, Landmark, and Robinson? Are they good places to meet girls too.

I am assuming the bars are better and the massage places are good to.

Any other suggestion would help. Thanks.

I wonder if everyone knows the forum changed, not that much post.[/QUOTE]Glorieta or BGC Fort, there are lots of high class girls.

What time does Edsa complex open? Wanting more day or early evening action.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2182125]What time does Edsa complex open? Wanting more day or early evening action.[/QUOTE]7 pm.

Daytime action is hard, unless its booked the day before. Early evening is possible but still hard unless pre-booked because choices are often limited.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2182125]What time does Edsa complex open? Wanting more day or early evening action.[/QUOTE]If you're near the airport you can always try Air Force One, they're open pretty much 24 hours.

Was in AC and MNL for a couple days each last week, and will get around to writing an AC report, but wanted to comment on Flight 168, the full service massage, located in the basement of Air Force One, near NAIA airport. And I RTFF for more detailed info on flight 168 but couldn't find much that was recent.

Logistics: There is a separate door for Flight 168 (to the right of AF1), but it was closed, so I entered through AF1. Up the elevator to the 2nd floor, past the reception desk, take the escalators down, so yes up one then down one. Once there, there is a reception desk straight ahead and a room to the left (not sure what this is, but might be part of the AF1 KTV). Papasan greets me, and brings me just behind the reception desk where there is a fishbowl of sorts. I say this because you don't look through glass but rather an odd set of wood frames with circular cut-outs. You can see the girls decently enough, and I guess it provides a little security in that they can't quite fully see you. Place is 24 hours, there was maybe 15 or so girls and was told there are three 8 hour shifts to accommodate round the clock. I was charged 2 k for the room and 2 k for the girl. The 2 k for the room was for business class. Room was ok, decently sized with a shower, toilet, TV, queen bed. A step up from the rooms at snow white or soi 24 massage rooms in BKK, but clearly a step down from a place like Poseidon or soapies in Ratchada. Girls were attractive, but its difficult to see bodies as they all sit down and wear these sort of gowns as uniforms. Face wise quite attractive, fair skin, young, lots of big boobs everywhere. They have numbers or letters, tell papasan the number / letter, go pay for the room at front desk, go to room. Payment to girl after deed is done. One annoying thing is that two male attendants accompanied me to the room, gave me towels and slippers and stood there waiting for a tip. So I stood and watched the TV and said thanks until they left. Get out please, was what I was thinking. Also papasan seemed a little pushy asking me to select, but not overly, I could've just ignored him.

I never usually drop names, for reasons, but I selected a 20 curvy girl, who had just started working there (they all say the same thing, so I never know). As soon as she comes into the room, tells me she is red (period). Immediately I thought I wanted to change, but she was really pretty and she said it was only a small amount. So ok, FK it. After uneventful shower, I strategically laid out two condoms, she saw and commented "oh two?" LOL. BBBJ was ok, not deep but pretty good, then smashed her in a few positions, she seemed open, didn't get a no from her at all. After the first nut, we laid there watching TV, I asked for another BJ, to which she did, BBBJCIM, which was great. By then, an hour had past and I had to get going. So I don't know if its only an hour service or if I could've stayed longer, perhaps someone else can comment.

Gave me her number and then I left. Some comments, I had read that this place was safe only, meaning CBJ, so maybe I was lucky, maybe she really was new to the place, or maybe she just liked me. I also didn't know that I could get away with 2 shots. Thought I had read that it was a one shot and done type of deal or maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, pretty good experience. My experience in these types of places is that its YMMV when it comes to number of shots.

Private car to the airport, just outside the front door cost me 300 p + 53 p (tolls). I got from AF1 to NAIA terminal 3 in under 15 minutes which I thought was astounding.

There's a lot of logistics info in this report and I think their ought to be. This place is well off the city center and away from pretty much everything and I imagine its a little out of the way unless you are coming / going to the airport. Planning the MNL traffic nightmare is essential.

I think it could be cheaper depending on what time of day it is and which room you select. But overall I thought it was a nice experience, if not a little pricey, especially for MNL.

Hey guys,

Been read the threads here for a while and just thought I should add some of my 2 cents here.

Not must of a writer so please bare with me LOL.

Stayed at red planet Makati, great place for under $40 a day. They also have a bar resto with a pool table and meet some cool dudes there who drank and partied with me through the night. I mostly hung around the Burgos area this time as I got tired of the malate scene which only had over priced karaoke but there is also LAC and Cowboy Grill.

Prices at Burgos was pretty low now compared to order place like manila network or east Asia.

From red planet heading down to Burgos not sure what the name is but I think it was jools which had some hot Filipinos and one really hot Russian. I bought one Filipino a drink and watched as each girl when on stage to dance. There is a VIP room there but you need to buy a bottle to go in so never got to find out what goes on there. Finished up my drink and went to the next bar. Mix drink was 250 if I remember correctly. Girl drink was about the same price.

Platinum club karaoke a lot of hot girls like 7-9 looking girls. Was kind of pricey as it is like one of those Asian style karaoke bar. Got one drink with one girl and left. A girl from another bar said she used to work here and that the VIP room is where they get with on with the customers. But just the entrance alone was expensive like 800 with a girl and all you can drink for one hour thou.

When on to the next bar I think it was call enchanted. I walked in and was the only customer and all the girls were on me. So many hands touching me everywhere asking for a drink. Most would probably get overwhelmed and left. I stayed and ended up 3 drinks plus myself. Girl looks were 5-8. I pick the 3 hottest ones there. They were doing my best to get me horny they even made me sit at a hidden set when one girl started giving me a BJ which was a sample of what to expect upstairs. This place was really old with old furniture for those looking for a nice bar just FYI. Anyway I went up stair for 3 k each. And got some additional shots to get the girls drunk a little. They started to undress while one was sucking on me which they started alternating on my dick and the other two licking on a nipple. Other girls came to check on use and all of a sudden a fourth girl started sucking on it too OMG. Just for a little and she left asking for a tip which I did not give. One of the girl got on stop and when I was ready to release I asked another girl to suck and make me cum on there breast which I did. Will continue the other bars later. G2 g for now.

[QUOTE=Titleist19;2182329]Was in AC and MNL for a couple days each last week, and will get around to writing an AC report, but wanted to comment on Flight 168, the full service massage, located in the basement of Air Force One, near NAIA airport. And I RTFF for more detailed info on flight 168 but couldn't find much that was recent.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Unless I've missed other reports, I think I was the last to post about it, and I guess that was 2-3 years ago?

Two shots: The first time I went there I could have probably gone for another shot. I did have two girls as well. Grin.

Price: I wouldn't be surprised if the prices are a little higher. I vaguely recall 1500 each for the room and the girl, but happy hour and economy room. Do you recall the prices for those now?

Entrance: Unless things have changed, I think you went in the wrong door. I recall entering, pass an escalator and down 2-3 steps, and you're already in the lobby / reception / bar area. Turn right to go down a corridor and then the fishbowl is immediately on the right.

I've been contemplating a trip to Manila or elsewhere in the Philippines and thought I would check out what types of sexual activities are the norm there these days. When I was mongering in both the Philippines and Thailand 20-25 years ago (I live in Bangkok now), the Philippines always had a major advantage over Thailand when it came to BBFS and BBBJ+CIM. In fact, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow was more commonly my experience when I opted for a BJ over FS in the Philippines.

But in checking out the Manila profiles on Smooci over the past couple of weeks, I have been shocked to discover filtering profiles for "CIM" routinely resulted in a huge elimination of almost all of the escorts available. Just 10 minutes ago the number of Manila girls listed on Smooci went from 31 to a paltry four (4!) when I filtered girls for those who offer ordinary ol' CIM vs those who do not. By contrast, filtering out for CIM in the Bangkok section usually results in cutting the choices to about half, say, from 100 available Bangkok girls right now to 47 who offer CIM.

Can anybody enlighten me about this? Are there any BBBJ+CIM aficionados who frequent Manila/the Philippines with intel on this? Is a CIM finish to a BBBJ becoming an Endangered Species among Manila P4P girls? (I did a search on this thread for "CIM" and "BBBJ+CIM" and got no results). Please say it isn't so. Or is this likely just an anomaly for Manila girls posting their profiles on Smooci?

If you are Chinese, just be a little more careful. Some criminal elements target the Chinese.

If you are in a group, you could take side trips to the malls to pick up souvenirs and check out the action. After dinner, you could go out yourself. Just be careful if you bring someone back as someone you know might spy on nocturnal activities. So better to pay and use a short term hotel.

IMHO, the quality will be better than Taipei.

[QUOTE=Ragnarok42;2179962]Hello fellow mongers.

Long time poster in the Taipei forums making first ever trip to Manila for business next week. Been reading a little on the forums and online and wanted to see if the info I have is correct:

LA club seems the easiest to score girls that are freelancers, prices are around 1500 to 2000 for one pop and might even stay the night.

P. burgos street seems the "red light district" and easiest to find action. I am with a business group, so hunting time will be limited.

Bareback seems like its always available and girls seem OK with that.

Those are some of my takeaways, please tell me if these are correct, misguided and if more seasoned brothers have any additional recommendations.

Thanks.[/QUOTE].

What's the best massage parlor in Manila Bay Area? Staying at diamond, usually stay in makati. Been to Manila bay cafe, think I'm going to check out edsa this time. Really looking for quick in and out action during day though so I can sneak away undetected for short time.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2184551]What's the best massage parlor in Manila Bay Area? Staying at diamond, usually stay in makati. Been to Manila bay cafe, think I'm going to check out edsa this time. Really looking for quick in and out action during day though so I can sneak away undetected for short time.[/QUOTE]I am a big fan of Acabba in Makati. I believe that they also have one in the Manila Bay area. Great massage and HJ for 1200. No extra or touching allowed. For 2000 you can get a longer session or 4 hands.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2184307]I'Can anybody enlighten me about this? Are there any BBBJ+CIM aficionados who frequent Manila/the Philippines with intel on this? Is a CIM finish to a BBBJ becoming an Endangered Species among Manila P4P girls? (I did a search on this thread for "CIM" and "BBBJ+CIM" and got no results). Please say it isn't so. Or is this likely just an anomaly for Manila girls posting their profiles on Smooci?[/QUOTE]I have never had issues ever and I have been in and out of Manila over 10 years though Cebu I prefer way more. Maybe depends on the site as if you try the normal date sites and then chat to them you may find a different sample.

I now and enjoy what you like with anal also never a problem so PM me for details.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2184307]I've been contemplating a trip to Manila or elsewhere in the Philippines and thought I would check out what types of sexual activities are the norm there these days. When I was mongering in both the Philippines and Thailand 20-25 years ago (I live in Bangkok now), the Philippines always had a major advantage over Thailand when it came to BBFS and BBBJ+CIM. In fact, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow was more commonly my experience when I opted for a BJ over FS in the Philippines.

But in checking out the Manila profiles on Smooci over the past couple of weeks, I have been shocked to discover filtering profiles for "CIM" routinely resulted in a huge elimination of almost all of the escorts available. Just 10 minutes ago the number of Manila girls listed on Smooci went from 31 to a paltry four (4!) when I filtered girls for those who offer ordinary ol' CIM vs those who do not. By contrast, filtering out for CIM in the Bangkok section usually results in cutting the choices to about half, say, from 100 available Bangkok girls right now to 47 who offer CIM.

Can anybody enlighten me about this? Are there any BBBJ+CIM aficionados who frequent Manila/the Philippines with intel on this? Is a CIM finish to a BBBJ becoming an Endangered Species among Manila P4P girls? (I did a search on this thread for "CIM" and "BBBJ+CIM" and got no results). Please say it isn't so. Or is this likely just an anomaly for Manila girls posting their profiles on Smooci?[/QUOTE]Just because they list no CIM, no LIVE, no ANAL, no etc does not mean that it is not possible or is just going to happen anyway.

Once they feel comfortable with you, everything is possible.

If not in person, via online get to know each other.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2184307]I've been contemplating a trip to Manila or elsewhere in the Philippines and thought I would check out what types of sexual activities are the norm there these days. When I was mongering in both the Philippines and Thailand 20-25 years ago (I live in Bangkok now), the Philippines always had a major advantage over Thailand when it came to BBFS and BBBJ+CIM. In fact, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow was more commonly my experience when I opted for a BJ over FS in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]I doubt the website you mention is a reliable indicator for Manila. I had a quick look and the prices seem far above my experience.

Some girls might have rules but rules are of course meant to be broken.

My thoughts are that the "service" approach of Singapore and Bangkok is not the way to enjoy the Philippine girls. For me I enjoy the less experienced girls of Phils. The girls that might have a low paid job as maid or call center agent. They will meet after hours and (for me) are much more fun. They can be easily inspired and will quickly learn from the in-house porn. Just choose the porn you want them to learn from.

I find CIM provided in 50% of first time BBBJ. I have never had a covered BJ in Philippines.

Enjoy Manila.

PL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2184307],,,,

Can anybody enlighten me about this? Are there any BBBJ+CIM aficionados who frequent Manila/the Philippines with intel on this? Is a CIM finish to a BBBJ becoming an Endangered Species among Manila P4P girls? (I did a search on this thread for "CIM" and "BBBJ+CIM" and got no results). Please say it isn't so. Or is this likely just an anomaly for Manila girls posting their profiles on Smooci?[/QUOTE]My hunting grounds is the dating sites, PL, SA, Tinder and WeChat. I have only had one girl refuse BBBJ to completion in my 8 months here. She had never accepted money for sex before, or so she said, and also said she had never tried BJ. She did give it a lick but said she didn't like it at all. (This was in a province so I tend to believe that she was not a pro at all.).

I also had one who was single mom, kid 2 years old who said she had not had sex since the father ran out on her before the baby was born. She had never had oral either way and after giving her the first and best licking of her life she wanted to give me BJ and loved it.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2185651]Just because they list no CIM, no LIVE, no ANAL, no etc does not mean that it is not possible or is just going to happen anyway.

Once they feel comfortable with you, everything is possible.

If not in person, via online get to know each other.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course. I would say that is true of almost every woman on the planet, P4P or not. It is just surprising to me that the concept of BBBJ+CIM is so extreme in the Philippino P4P girl's mind as to be omitted by such a high percentage of them on Smooci.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2185755]My hunting grounds is the dating sites, PL, SA, Tinder and WeChat. I have only had one girl refuse BBBJ to completion in my 8 months here. She had never accepted money for sex before, or so she said, and also said she had never tried BJ. She did give it a lick but said she didn't like it at all. (This was in a province so I tend to believe that she was not a pro at all.).

I also had one who was single mom, kid 2 years old who said she had not had sex since the father ran out on her before the baby was born. She had never had oral either way and after giving her the first and best licking of her life she wanted to give me BJ and loved it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the current overview from the scene. And to Wicked Roger for the same.

A couple of days I ago I checked on Smooci again and, swear to god, out of almost 30 available girls listed in the Manila section, filtering out for CIM reduced the number to ZERO!

Then again, perhaps the very few Manila girls who DO list CIM on their Smooci profile are scooped up and booked as fast as possible, leaving only the slackers to fight over any stray potential customers who come straggling in late to the party. lol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2184307]Is a CIM finish to a BBBJ becoming an Endangered Species among Manila P4P girls?
[/QUOTE]Heavens no. I cannot remember a pinay who wouldn't take CIM. You need to have some game. You need to talk her into it. If she is a spitter kiss her before she can spit (you're not afraid of you cum, right? Swap cum mouth to mouth and she will swallow for sure. Once she has swallowed she will do so with you forever.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2185771]Heavens no. I cannot remember a pinay who wouldn't take CIM. You need to have some game. You need to talk her into it. If she is a spitter kiss her before she can spit (you're not afraid of you cum, right? Swap cum mouth to mouth and she will swallow for sure. Once she has swallowed she will do so with you forever.[/QUOTE]Great. As I said in my earlier post, the last time I was there some 20 years or so ago, the Philippines far surpassed Thailand for delivering the real deal in terms of BBBJ+CIM (and BBFS).

With the thought of a return trip there on my mind, I was just worried by the conspicuous lack of it being listed on almost any Manila Smooci girl's profile that perhaps there had been some influx of punters from areas of the world where BBBJ+CIM was either unheard of, to be avoided or too exotic to ever be requested over the past couple of decades so as to spoil what had been a BBBJ+CIM (+Swallow and also BBFS) paradise for me once upon a time.

It can happen, you know.

Sorry for the delay in writing this trip report, from beginning of May.

I only had two days in Manila, and I stayed at the AG New World hotel. Arrived at NAIA midday Friday, and had no trouble getting a Grab to the hotel, 189 euros, plus a tip.

Checked in and had a shower, then went to Robinson's mall, I immediately spotted a tall stunner standing inside by the pillar, caught her eye and smiled. I went to Starbucks and got something to drink and went back into the mall foyer, her eyes followed me. I went up to the first level and she followed. Her name was Charlotte, 28 years old, 1 son, very dark skinned, she says her dad is Spanish, but I think there's a touch of Indian in the mix as well. We talked and walked and arranged 2.5 k for the rest of the afternoon, she didn't want to eat or drink so we headed back to the hotel. Talked some more, she used to work in a massage place, and doesn't go to LA cafe, we showered, she has a stunning body, only a slight mummy tummy. I spent a great afternoon with her. She left just before dark with a nice tip tucked into her pocket. A pity that she had to go home to her son, I would have kept her for the weekend.

Later on I went to check out G-Point, a few girls in there, but all sitting together on one table, nothing that really stood out as a must have, so had a beer and left again. Went to Hussy's bar, but the barmaid was the best looking girl in there and she and the other younger girl were busy with a customer at the end of the bar, leaving only one girl free, and she was way too old and way to big for my tastes, so left after one drink. Went to LA Cafe, it was packed as usual, I went upstairs to watch the band and got a table with two nice girls already on it. Jean 27 and her friend. I bough them a drink and we talked a while, her friend left to chase Koreans. We arranged 4 k long time, and went back to the hotel. Showered and straight into bed, very receptive.

Next morning I woke up a little later than normal, with the normal morning wood, but she was not playing the game, just said "later". We had breakfast and went back up to the room, again, just saying "later", went to the pool for a while, back to the room, showered, but again, just saying "later". So I got her money ready, and got dressed ready to go out. She asked what we were going to do, I told her that she was going home and I was going to Robinson's. Well suddenly it dawned on her. And. She turned into a nymphomaniac, she couldn't get enough after that. With her revised attitude I let her stay until Sunday morning. She left with two days LT but without a tip.

I won't be back in Manila for a while now, probably not until next year, it saddens me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2185774]Great. As I said in my earlier post, the last time I was there some 20 years or so ago, the Philippines far surpassed Thailand for delivering the real deal in terms of BBBJ+CIM (and BBFS).
[/QUOTE]+1 for BBBJ and CIM being freely available everywhere.

If a good BJ is important to you, consider a quick side trip to Cebu. Last time I was there deep throating amd face fucking was all the rage. Check my posts for how it was available from all but one provider I met in Cebu. Unfortunately, while I had a great time, I wasn't as lucky in Manila.

[QUOTE=JcFromNz;2185913]Next morning I woke up a little later than normal, with the normal morning wood, but she was not playing the game, just said "later". We had breakfast and went back up to the room, again, just saying "later", went to the pool for a while, back to the room, showered, but again, just saying "later". So I got her money ready, and got dressed ready to go out. She asked what we were going to do, I told her that she was going home and I was going to Robinson's. Well suddenly it dawned on her. And. She turned into a nymphomaniac, she couldn't get enough after that. With her revised attitude I let her stay until Sunday morning. She left with two days LT but without a tip. [/QUOTE]You seem like a very patient person JcFromNz. It's nice to see that your patience was rewarded. I know that my impatience means I've missed such opportunities. For me if they don't play the game after 1 or 2 attempts I send them on their way with minimum tip. I just ring the counter bell and yell "Next".

[QUOTE=JcFromNz;2185913]I won't be back in Manila for a while now, probably not until next year, it saddens me.[/QUOTE]It's that same feeling we all have. So much opportunity here, so little time.

PL.

If you have been doing it for 25 years, you should know. Maybe hard core pro online profiles different from what is really available in person. I know for semi pro almost everything is available, including CIM. Swallow maybe less frequent on first time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2184307]I've been contemplating a trip to Manila or elsewhere in the Philippines and thought I would check out what types of sexual activities are the norm there these days. When I was mongering in both the Philippines and Thailand 20-25 years ago (I live in Bangkok now), the Philippines always had a major advantage over Thailand when it came to BBFS and BBBJ+CIM. In fact, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow was more commonly my experience when I opted for a BJ over FS in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]

What's the best app or site for fast bookings of freelancers in Manila?

Tinder seems to have way too many girls looking for real dates.

WeChat seems to require invitations, if using a local number, I can't seem to get WeChat to work.

I don't what else is location based other than WeChat and Tinder for this kind of thing.

Hello fellow mongers,

I'll be heading off to the Philippines for the first time.

As far as mongering goes:

1) Is Makati or Angeles better?

2) Is there good mongering action in:

- Cebu.

- Boracay.

Many thanks in advance for any local knowledge.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2186948]What's the best app or site for fast bookings of freelancers in Manila?

Tinder seems to have way too many girls looking for real dates.

WeChat seems to require invitations, if using a local number, I can't seem to get WeChat to work.

I don't what else is location based other than WeChat and Tinder for this kind of thing.[/QUOTE]I found out the same with We Chat. Didn't work. And now that Craigslist closed their personals section it is a bit difficult to find a working app with people there.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2186948]What's the best app or site for fast bookings of freelancers in Manila?

Tinder seems to have way too many girls looking for real dates.

WeChat seems to require invitations, if using a local number, I can't seem to get WeChat to work.

I don't what else is location based other than WeChat and Tinder for this kind of thing.[/QUOTE]Try Skout. As always, be wary of ladyboys.

[QUOTE=JackLad100;2187697]Hello fellow mongers,

I'll be heading off to the Philippines for the first time.

As far as mongering goes:

1) Is Makati or Angeles better?

2) Is there good mongering action in:

- Cebu.

- Boracay.

Many thanks in advance for any local knowledge.[/QUOTE]Best PM me as the reply would use lots of bandwidth.

But Boracay always a favourite with the ladies.

Boracay is closed from 26 April to 26 October 2018. For other places, so much information is already available here, you just need to read.

[QUOTE=JackLad100;2187697] Is there good mongering action in Boracay. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JackLad100;2187697]2) Is there good mongering action in:
...
- Boracay.
[/QUOTE]When are you going? Boracay is closed for another 5 or so months while they allegedly clean it up.

[QUOTE=JackLad100;2187697]1) Is Makati or Angeles better?[/QUOTE]If it is your first time, the answer is both.

You really need to visit both so you can experience two different experiences.

I'm an Angeles fan which is why I choose to live here. Developing world experience, low cost girls. Something to be said for P250 massages and overnight stays for less than a breakfast mean in your home country.

Enjoy.

I booked Tia from Manila Courtesans. Her pics are accurate and she is a tiny little cute. She used to work at a massage parlor before but she is brand new to the escort business. Do not expect a PSE but her GFE was good. She was of the few providers that I have seen in Manila offered DFK. She arrived in a nice blouse and jeans, which I appreciated as I stayed in a nice hotel.

If you're a guy who likes a huge rack, avoid Tia. She has flat A cups but she has a nicely shaped ass. She is very talkative and easy to get to know. She does not have fair / white skin, but I didn't care at all. She smelled nice and was very professional about her appearance.

I was hungry and wanted a drink so we went down to the hotel restaurant and got to know each other. She wants to attend university so she's doing this to pay the bills. She is a pleasant girl and does not have a stuck up ***** attitude. She is sweet, genuine. And she's a skateboarder so she has that cute tom boy factor working. Ask her how she got that scar on her hip to hear an amazing story.

Back at my room we stated off with DFK and some heavy petting. I moved to DATY and her pussy was clean and fresh. She then hopped on for a great CG. The whole time, Tia kept full eye contact with beautiful "fuck me" eyes, which I appreciated. I changed to doggy which was OK. I finished in mish and shot my load on her stomach. Although I had to take the lead the whole time, it was not a bad experience.

We spent the remaining time spooning in bed, cuddling and talking.

If you want a slutty working girl that can suck your balls dry, do not choose Tia. However, if you're looking for a sweet girl next door, you will be happy. Just do not expect an aggressive pro. With time, I'm sure she will only get better.

Second booking was with Nadia also from Manila Courtesans. She was. Not for me. I'm not saying she is not for you though.

Service wise, she is extremely PSE and very aggressive. I'm sure there are a ton of clients that like this but it was a little too much for me. No complaints though as that's just her specialty. I was more than happy just fucking her in CG doggy and mish but she suggested all manners of positions. Again, not for me bit if it's your fetish, Nadia will most likely make it happen with enthusiasm.

What was a turn off was her hair smelled of smoke which was not pleasant at all. She didn't smoke in the room (I don't know if she smokes at all) but maybe a previous client did. There were also some other problems such as Nadia's clothing. She came in a very short black tube dress with cut out sides. She was wearing no bra and no panties. She basically looked like a street hooker and walked into a five star hotel. She also passed security and X-ray with a duffel bag full of dildos and vibrators which I did not ask for. I can only imagine what hotel staff thought of me.

Plus points about Nadia is that she is very friendly and talkative. She has not an ounce of attitude and I'm sure if you're into the raunchy action, Nadia is the clear choice. She offered to do basically anything I wanted and I'm sure nothing is off the table with Nadia. Again, Nadia is a very pleasant woman, just be prepared for a wild girl that is a little of a loose cannon (but I'm sure many of you like that).

She offers a threeway with Sammy for those wanting a real lesbian sex show but I had to pass.

And just FYI, Nadia has Put on a little weight and is a bit thicker in the hips since her photos were taken.

Booked Andy and Shania from Nurumassage. I have to say this was an amazing experience. They arrived together looking very nice with smiles. Andy got busy putting a thick protective cover on the bed while Shania chatted with me. When the bed was ready, they asked me to shower with them. They stripped me naked and took me to the shower giving me a soapy HJ to get me in the mood. When done the laid me on the bed and poured nuru gel all over me and each other. The gel was already pre heated and brought with them in a thermos, which felt very good. While one rubbed herself all over my back, the other would rub herself on and between my legs. I've had soapy massages in Seoul and Japan but having it done on a comfy, king sized bed with two girls was absolutely heaven. It's so very hard to describe. You have to try it for yourself.

For phase 2, they flipped me over and worked my chest. Again, while one worked the top, the other worked my legs and cock. Unlike other places, they were more than happy with me touching them. Shania even grabbed my hand and put in on her pussy asking me to rub it while she rubbed me. Often Andy would glide across my chest while giving me a wonderful view of her slippery, gelled pussy.

After a wonderful 45 minutes, they asked if I wanted any extra services. +2000 each for a HJ and +5000 each for sex. At this point I thought "what the hell" and opted for the full service. They immediately slipped on a glove and started giving me a CBJ. Soon after they took turns riding me in CG. While Shania rode me, Andy mounted my chest and rubbed her pussy against my slippery chest. She grabbed my hands and placed them on her tits, begging me to play with her perky nipples. CG turned into doggy as I fucked Shania from behind while Andy got behind me and rubbed her slippery tits across my back. Andy asked to be fucked hard so we got into mish. This felt amazing. Sex with a hottie is good but it's even better when you are both drenched in nuru gel on a soft slippery bed while a third girl rubs her tits against your back.

Almost ready to cum, they placed me on my back while Andy stroked my cock while Shania rubbed my balls (again, all covered in nuru gel).

Downsides: Andy and Shania are not bisexual so they did not play with each other. Also Shania and Andy only offer CBJ. But to be honest, I really didn't care as the nuru gel massage and sex is what I really wanted.

Damage was: 3000 each plus 1000 each tip. 5000 each for FS.

Total damage was 18,000.

Yep this was really expensive but I felt it was well worth the money.

They have over 10 girls every night and many of them offer duos. Remember, you don't have to get the extra services. If you don't click with a girl it'll only cost you 4000.

From what they say, Valerie and Kylie are also amazing so I'll have to try them the next time I am in Manila.

Hey fellow mongers.

I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.

I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?

Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.

/ Kirsia!

[QUOTE=JcFromNz;2185913]

I only had two days in Manila, and I stayed at the AG New World hotel. Arrived at NAIA midday Friday, and had no trouble getting a Grab to the hotel, 189 euros, plus a tip.

[/QUOTE]Nice report, JcFromNz.

Assume you intended 189 pesos.

Dickaprio.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2188535]Hey fellow mongers.

I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.

I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?

Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.

/ Kirsia![/QUOTE]Although I am far from an expert in Manila I can say that Manila has a few points above Bangkok. First, these are the things that Bangkok wins:

1. Regional Food. Filipino cuisine cannot compare to Thai cuisine. But since you've already been the BKK Manila may be better as the selection and quality of western food is a lot better in Manila. 2. Safety. I'm no expert again, but I felt that Bangkok was a lot safer to walk around late at night than in Manila. 4. Traffic and Transportation. Bangkok has less traffic and BTS lines to the major RLDs. With Manila, traffic is just a part of your night. Or you're walking it. 4. Pure Selection of girls. Bangkok has far more gogo bars with far more girls than Manila. 5. Looks. I have to say the escorts / bargirls in Bangkok are far hotter than the escorts / bargirls in Manila.

But here is what I like more about Manila.

1. Cost. In general, I spent less money in Manila for the same amount of action than in Bangkok. 2. Language Barrier. 90% of the girls I met in Manila speak good English. Some spoke perfect English. This makes getting to know a bargirl easier as well as just getting around. 3. Better / more "good girls" The casual dating scene is far better and easier because of the thin language barrier. Online Dating is also far easier / better so you may want to line up a few dates before you arrive. 4. Attitude of Girls. I'm going to say it, Manila girls seem to enjoy sex a lot more. With Bangkok, I had to deal with dead fish and clock watchers. In Manila, either they just really liked fucking me more or they are far better actors. Either way, Manila wins on this one.

I have been going to Thailand for over 4 years. This year, however I went to Manila twice. I must say that I enjoy Manila a lot. Will I stop going to BKK? Never. But I am very glad I gave Manila it's just due.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2188535]Hey fellow mongers.

I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.

I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?

Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.

/ Kirsia![/QUOTE]You have not mongered truly unless you have been balls deep inside a pinay. Don't think twice, buy that ticket to Manila NOW!

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2188535]
I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.
I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?[/QUOTE]BKK has more to do, more venues for mongering, a vastly better cuisine, a more interesting culture, and a safer environment. MNL has Pinays. If you haven't been to MNL and you have visited BKK 10 x, you should go. LOL. And you should also think about an AC side trip if time permits. AC is the Philippine version of Pattaya just as MNL is the Philippine version of BKK. 10 days to 2 weeks is the right amount of time for your 1st foray into Filipina Land (MNL & AC). I think you will like it.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2188535]Hey fellow mongers.

I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.

I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?

Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.

/ Kirsia![/QUOTE]Further to Natty's reply, Filipinos are more likely to speak English. Definitely try Manila. And AC. If, in the unlikely event you find it's really not to your taste, find a cheap flight to BKK and finish your trip there.

[QUOTE=ShimShimHeyo;2188509]I booked Tia from Manila Courtesans. /snip/
Second booking was with Nadia also from Manila Courtesans. [/QUOTE]Thanks for this review and experiences with manila courtesans. From reading the forum I can see there have been mixed experiences with many people thinking it's an expensive option. Your FR tells me that it can be a good low hassle option to order a delivery like you had.

I checked there website and found A Level Nadia. I want to try her next time I'm down in Manila. She kid of scares me after your FR.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=PinaLove;2188750]Thanks for this review and experiences with manila courtesans. From reading the forum I can see there have been mixed experiences with many people thinking it's an expensive option. Your FR tells me that it can be a good low hassle option to order a delivery like you had.

I checked there website and found A Level Nadia. I want to try her next time I'm down in Manila. She kid of scares me after your FR.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine chose Anica and had a great time. You may want to consider her over Nadia. If you do go with Nadia just make sure that she is coming from home and not a club or a freaky client.

While in Manila I booked an independent from Euro Girls Escort named Charlene.

*Warning Charlene's pics are photoshopped and angled perfectly to hide her flaws.

She quoted me 7000 for 2 hours, which I felt was fair. When she arrived I immediately noticed that the photos on her ad are photoshopped but I personally felt she is still a very pretty girl. She came looking very professionally, well dressed, which I appreciated greatly. For those concerned, she will not raise an eyebrow walking into your hotel. She is a little chubby and on the thick side but she had made that clear in her ad. If you are against a girl having a tattoo, also skip Charlene as she has a large one on her stomach.

Although not the hottest girl in Manila, she does indeed make up for it in GFE. She started with a very oil nice back rub while she chatted about her life and what nots.

After about 30 minutes she asked if I was ready and we showered together before the action. She began with a very nice BBBJ followed by a nice CG. This girl really gets into it and she admitted that it's one of her favorite positions. Charlene was natural see cups and although they are not the most beautiful pair of tits I have ever seen, she is not afraid to let them bounce up and down while she rides you hard. CG moved to doggy and damn, does she scream. It got so loud that I was afraid the neighbors would complain. If you like a moaner / screamer, you may want to consider booking Charlene.

I finished in mish and blew my load on her chest, which she had no reservations against rubbing my cum all over her tits.

Not needed a second round, we spent the remaining time chatting. She curled up with me in bed as we talked about all manner of things.

When the time was up she gave me a big hug and she was on her way.

Though not the hottest on the block, Charlene was worth the 7000 and I would repeat if I'm ever too lazy to go to the bars.

Was Tia service covered or BBFS?

[QUOTE=ShimShimHeyo;2188509]I booked Tia from Manila Courtesans. Her pics are accurate and she is a tiny little cute. She used to work at a massage parlor before but she is brand new to the escort business. Do not expect a PSE but her GFE was good. She was of the few providers that I have seen in Manila offered DFK. She arrived in a nice blouse and jeans, which I appreciated as I stayed in a nice hotel.

If you're a guy who likes a huge rack, avoid Tia. She has flat A cups but she has a nicely shaped ass. She is very talkative and easy to get to know. She does not have fair / white skin, but I didn't care at all. She smelled nice and was very professional about her appearance.

I was hungry and wanted a drink so we went down to the hotel restaurant and got to know each other. She wants to attend university so she's doing this to pay the bills. She is a pleasant girl and does not have a stuck up ***** attitude. She is sweet, genuine. And she's a skateboarder so she has that cute tom boy factor working. Ask her how she got that scar on her hip to hear an amazing story.

Back at my room we stated off with DFK and some heavy petting. I moved to DATY and her pussy was clean and fresh. She then hopped on for a great CG. The whole time, Tia kept full eye contact with beautiful "fuck me" eyes, which I appreciated. I changed to doggy which was OK. I finished in mish and shot my load on her stomach. Although I had to take the lead the whole time, it was not a bad experience...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189071]Was Tia service covered or BBFS?[/QUOTE]CFS. Her pussy is tiny and tight. It felt amazing.

I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]You need to be more explicit H.

Do you mean fine dining places with wine and a view?

Or do you mean buffets where you have to forage for your own food?

Or food courts? Mid-range eateries? Cheap carinderias?

Manila has them all.

Re oysters? Occasionally the big hotel buffets have promos but be very very careful that you identify the source. Not all oysters are imported and some are grown in very dodgy water.

There is no better way to destroy your holiday than to eat a "bad" oyster, even if the other 11 or 20 were delicious.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]To Hiving 777.

The best buffet in manila is at the city of dream they got all kind of seafood with oyster and roast whole leg of wagu beef cost is about 30 usd per person very expensive Nubu have a buffet cost is 1990 p for lunch and 2990 p for dinner all you can eat sushi and Japanese food just next door best buffet I ever have.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]As a foreigner do not eat any raw food. All the water surrounding Philippines ripe with raw sewage. Even if they say it is imported you can never be sure. As a island country importing anything costs lots of money. Locals have the immunity but not tourists. Stick to fried or boiled food. Yes, I have eaten Kimchi but with those spices which kill bacteria it is ok. Besides it may be imported from Taiwan or Korea. I have eaten street food but they are fried or boiled. All malls have food court. Some food is delicious.

There is nothing upscale in Philippines. All are trying to cut corners.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]Jollibee for fine dining.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2189603]As a foreigner do not eat any raw food. All the water surrounding Philippines ripe with raw sewage. Even if they say it is imported you can never be sure. As a island country importing anything costs lots of money. Locals have the immunity but not tourists. Stick to fried or boiled food. Yes, I have eaten Kimchi but with those spices which kill bacteria it is ok. Besides it may be imported from Taiwan or Korea. I have eaten street food but they are fried or boiled. All malls have food court. Some food is delicious.

There is nothing upscale in Philippines. All are trying to cut corners.[/QUOTE]While this may be sound advice, it's hyperbole. There are, for example, excellent, safe, fresh oysters available here that come from non-polluted waters and are excellent. I've been eating them for 18 years. I eat raw vegetables from an organic farm in Buda, and they are also excellent and have never made me sick; same with tuna tartare. The real trick to avoiding food-related illness is to know the restaurant at which you're eating and to ask about the source (s) of the food.

GE.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]I do not find that fine dining actually exists in Philippines. It almost seems that the more you pay here, the worse the food. I have tried all level of restaurants and it's inconsistent.

The line about Jolibee is good, they are consistent. One day they ran out of chicken. I don't know how a chicken chain does that.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2189631]While this may be sound advice, it's hyperbole. There are, for example, excellent, safe, fresh oysters available here that come from non-polluted waters and are excellent. I've been eating them for 18 years. I eat raw vegetables from an organic farm in Buda, and they are also excellent and have never made me sick; same with tuna tartare. The real trick to avoiding food-related illness is to know the restaurant at which you're eating and to ask about the source (s) of the food.
[/QUOTE]This is OK for us residents GE but it's not likely that a 2-week visitor is going to have any way of "knowing the restaurant at which he / she is eating".

Even assuming the 5-star places will have good food-handling processes is a risk. A family member visiting me just 2 months ago had to be hospitalized after eating the buffet at Shangri-la, Makati. I have also eaten local oysters without ill effects, but a colleague enjoying the same oysters as me and at the same table became violently ill, so I don't think telling visitors to be cautious about food choices is hyperbole at all.

When I work in adjacent SE Asian countries as a 3 to 4-week visitor I am extremely cautious about what and where I eat, but I still manage to enjoy my travels.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2189585]YThere is no better way to destroy your holiday than to eat a "bad" oyster, even if the other 11 or 20 were delicious.[/QUOTE]After having seen the outcome of a friend's oyster food poisoning in Mexico once, I have never tried them again raw. And rarely cooked. He spend weeks recovering so if in doubt don't eat. Like RK I travel a lot and am very cautious as one bad food day can mean I suffer and can't work (or worse I am working and keep running out of the meeting room LOL).

If in doubt don't eat it. In India and Pakistan I avoid all salad even from the better hotels as similar to RK story. Also friend got sick at the Intercon sea food buffet (in Asia) eating crab. That ruined the whole trip and when she ate the crab was Day 2 of her journey.

A bad experience several years ago makes me apprehensive about oysters in the Philippines, even cooked ones. I went with eight or nine Filipino colleagues to a place on E. Rodriguez Avenue where it becomes C-5 in the Eastwood and Bagumbayan area in Quezon City. There was a sort of farmers' market with vegetables, seafood, and meat, and, after you selected your raw ingredients, a place next door would cook your food to order.

We had selected raw and cooked oysters, as well as shrimp, some meat and vegetables. Everything except the raw oysters was cooked. I avoided the raw oysters but was one of about a half dozen that ate cooked oysters. Later, two others who had eaten cooked oysters and I got violently sick. Three others who ate them did not get sick.

So maybe the immunity thing that Sammon described was selectively effective. As the only foreigner I clearly did not have the immunity. I had been in country about three months at the time.

Perhaps this place was inherently hazardous, although the Filipinos I was with were well-educated and knew their way around Quezon City. I suspect the safety of oysters is a YMMV phenomenon, but it only takes one such experience for somebody with my temperament to be warned off Philippine oysters permanently.

Anyone know if manila Courtesan girls do BBFS?

[QUOTE=ShimShimHeyo;2189210]CFS. Her pussy is tiny and tight. It felt amazing.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice guys. I was thinking middle class fine dining. Not cheap but not too expensive. To take girls. Where are your personal go to places? I'll be at somerset Olympia makati.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2189631]The real trick to avoiding food-related illness is to know the restaurant at which you're eating and to ask about the source (s) of the food.[/QUOTE]Sage advice and applicable for anywhere you are in the world. I see a lot of people call out the food quality in the Philippines, and I can see why for good reasons. However, many times the problem may be with the eater and his / her immune system and not the food itself. Most people do not know about their allergies or poor immunity until they get violently sick.

Also, while talking about allergies one has to consider the Big 8. Milk, eggs, fish, crustacean shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, wheat and soybean. Many places will use these food groups as a derivative in their food preparation and the unwitting diner gets a rude shock.

Okay, I give up. Perhaps the extreme caution is well advised. I've gotten food-related sickness here exactly once in 18 years but perhaps I was generalizing too much from my own experience. I've got some experience in the restaurant industry here, and I do admit that employees need to be carefully trained in appropriate handling of all foods: the necessity to wash hands before and after touching any food; the requirement to wear disposable, sanitary gloves, are all foreign to many new hires. And it does require keeping a constant eye on employees to make sure they adhere to appropriate food handling rules. Further, in Davao, I know the owners of the virtually all the restaurants to which I go, and I'm pretty familiar with how they operate their kitchens, and I concede that a newbie would not know these things.

GE.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189691]Thanks for the advice guys. I was thinking middle class fine dining. Not cheap but not too expensive. To take girls. Where are your personal go to places? I'll be at somerset Olympia makati.[/QUOTE]Just drop me a PM Hilving as can help but a few pointers etc need to understood.

Look forward to the PM.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]I know there are many places to eat but can you all put down your top places to go. And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]The top place for all-you-can-eat clams is Walking Street in Angeles City. All kinds of clams are available in streets, alleys, and bars. Just let the vendor know that you want unlimited servings. Always make sure the clams are fresh if you like to eat them raw, as eating a bad clam can make you very ill. Eating raw blood clams is very risky, as they tend to pick up pathogens when feeding.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2189910]The top place for all-you-can-eat clams is Walking Street in Angeles City. All kinds of clams are available in streets, alleys, and bars. [/QUOTE]Way too subtle message CM. The OP might think you are referring to the availability and actual consumption of molluscs.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2189757]However, many times the problem may be with the eater and his / her immune system and not the food itself. Most people do not know about their allergies or poor immunity until they get violently sick.[/QUOTE]In the experience I had an older, thoughtful Filipina suggested later that we had erred in eating the oysters on an empty stomach. In my case the oysters were one of the first things I ate. But I remain apprehensive.

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[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189691]I was thinking middle class fine dining. Not cheap but not too expensive. To take girls. Where are your personal go to places? I'll be at somerset Olympia makati.[/QUOTE]"Not cheap but not too expensive". OK, I'll guess p5000 or less for two fits your definition in that. Have I guessed correctly? Pretty much any place at Green Belt meets that requirement. Good restaurants at BGC's walking street. And in and near Rockwell Power Plant mall, which is a few minutes from Burgos, you'll find decent places. Same too in Jupiter St which is near Burgos - for example Corner Tree Cafe. Many delicious Korean restaurants in Makati. I'll guess you like Korean food, and I've yet to meet a Pinay who doesn't like it. Go to Seoul Kalbi in General Luna Street.

I reckon if you can specify a budget and what kind of food you like (or what you dislike) you might get better recommendations. As it is now, it's wild guesses.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2190064]"Not cheap but not too expensive". OK, I'll guess p5000 or less for two fits your definition in that. Have I guessed correctly? Pretty much any place at Green Belt meets that requirement.....[/QUOTE]I'll second that. I am partial to the BBQ burgers at Rockefeller GB3 near the Cinema, one of those with a pint of their private brewed banana beer or dark ale will set you back less than 500.

Good place to take a date for a casual meal. You can get change from 1000 and both eat well.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2190085] brewed banana beer ll.[/QUOTE]Tell me more. Sounds very potent.

"Simple" Pinays do not care much for expensive Italian or French food; a fair number of girls have told me they are disgusted by anything in a cream sauce (I won't bring up the irony here). They are also uncomfortable in a fancy / expensive setting; local cuisine would be your best bet if you want them to feel at ease. If you don't go local, at least make sure the menu has pictures for her to see what the food looks like. I am not a huge fan of Filipino food so I tend to eat alone, LOL.

Now if she is upper middle class, take her somewhere fancy to impress.

I concur that GreenBelt Mall has a good spread of different restaurants. You can walk though with her and let her choose. I'm betting she chooses a cheap Filipino restaurant. The last time I did this (in another mall), of all the choices she had, she choose "The House that Chicken Built" (I can't remember the name, but it was just slightly better than Jollibees).

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2190105]Tell me more. Sounds very potent.[/QUOTE]Think of the San Mig flavoured beers but with banana not apple or lemon.

It is definitely not a light beer. I notice the buzz more from a pint of this than a pint of other beers. I'd guess 6 or 7% ABV. They have other custom flavors but this is my favorite one.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189260]And where can I find all you can eat oysters?[/QUOTE]I am curious why no one has suggested going to a five-star hotel for one of its buffets. Although I don't have first-hand experience here, I did go to the Diamond Hotel quite by accident one evening on Valentines day past. I checked out the buffet and it had everything you could possibly want by way of seafood and more. I think it was priced at 3000 pesos per head and that was a special evening. I do have experience with hotel buffets in other locales (the Shangrila in Shenzhen was the best with action stations for spaghetti, shawarmas, and would you believe Philly cheese steaks.) and I would think that Manila has a hotel buffet with safe all you can eat oysters.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189691]Thanks for the advice guys. I was thinking middle class fine dining. Not cheap but not too expensive. To take girls. Where are your personal go to places? I'll be at somerset Olympia makati.[/QUOTE]Best to put your peso price range in for more accurate information. Your middle class could be high class dining to some here. I use TripAdvisor for dining recommendations. There are many good dining places in High Street located in BGC. Taxis to there are very reasonable or use Grab.

Better yet just go online search.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2190244]I am curious why no one has suggested going to a five-star hotel for one of its buffets. Although I don't have first-hand experience here, I did go to the Diamond Hotel quite by accident one evening on Valentines day past. I checked out the buffet and it had everything you could possibly want by way of seafood and more. I think it was priced at 3000 pesos per head and that was a special evening. I do have experience with hotel buffets in other locales (the Shangrila in Shenzhen was the best with action stations for spaghetti, shawarmas, and would you believe Philly cheese steaks.) and I would think that Manila has a hotel buffet with safe all you can eat oysters.[/QUOTE]Although I have not tried, learnt that buffets offered by Spirals at Sofitel and Circles at Shangri-La are supposedly the best with wide spreads of diverse cuisine. Should plan to check out one of them in next trip!

Dickaprio.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2189980]Filipina suggested later that we had erred in eating the oysters on an empty stomach. [/QUOTE]Thank you SS, that's a valuable piece of information.

Three weeks ago I was in LA Cafe. Met a cute chick with too much makeup on. I asked to see her pictures without makeup because I am a natural beauty kind of guy. She pulled out her phone and on the lockscreen there was a picture of her and an old ass White guy. I said oh that is your boyfriend huh? She said no. It was a guy that she met in LA Cafe. He took 3 girls and somehow she ended up getting a phone out of the deal. (And to think that I only give them a fair amount of cash.) She said he put the picture there.

I ordered my usual wings and shared them with her and some other random older lady. I also bought them drinks. I am a nice guy sometimes. I had no intention of taking anyone. I had to get to the salon to get my nails done and facial, then my main girl was coming later when she got off work.

There was a girl at the table next to ours that clearly was not old enough. I asked the ladies how old did they think she was. She had put a bunch of clown makeup on to try to look older, but all it did was make her look like a kid with a bunch of makeup on.

I traded whatsapp with the chick I was talking to. She lives in Cavite. She said it is about 2 hours away. Later that night she was sending me messages asking if I wanted to see her. Fast forward and I told her I would be in Manila today and asked if she wanted to come see me. She said sure. I remember in LA Cafe she told me that she gets 2500. Well I have never given out that kind of money. So I verified with her how much I needed to give her. She said 2500. I told her that was too much. She said 2000. I said that is good. Mood ruined by negotiating as usual. I am in the Grab on the way to the hotel. I told her to meet me there at 4. With the rain here, I am sure it will take longer. 4:22 and she just sent me a message to say she was still in the bus. So 2000 pesos for about 14 hours with a chick. I will say it worked out well for both parties. Sure beats that 4000 that a mamasan in AC told me that I would have to give her for her to come.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190425]Three weeks ago I was in LA Cafe. Met a cute chick with too much makeup on. I asked to see her pictures without makeup because I am a natural beauty kind of guy. She pulled out her phone and on the lockscreen there was a picture of her and an old ass White guy. I said oh that is your boyfriend huh? She said no. It was a guy that she met in LA Cafe. He took 3 girls and somehow she ended up getting a phone out of the deal. (And to think that I only give them a fair amount of cash.) She said he put the picture there..[/QUOTE]This is such a good question you have added to my interview process. Phones are very revealing. I'm sure you believed this story which also requires her to be happy for her family, friends and relatives to see her phone with a white guy monger.

For me he is obviously the sponsor.

[QUOTE=Hilving777;2189691]Thanks for the advice guys. I was thinking middle class fine dining. Not cheap but not too expensive. To take girls. Where are your personal go to places? I'll be at somerset Olympia makati.[/QUOTE]To Hilving777.

Why don't you ask the girls and local where to go if you want good food don't go to the mall food court or Jollibee, most good family restaurant is in Quezon city up north and Makati also have good place to eat let won't break the bank but I also like to spoil myself for 2 night each trip eat at a 5 star hotel restaurants.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=PinaLove;2190655]This is such a good question you have added to my interview process. Phones are very revealing. I'm sure you believed this story which also requires her to be happy for her family, friends and relatives to see her phone with a white guy monger.

For me he is obviously the sponsor.[/QUOTE]Not obvious at all. I am pretty damn sure this chick has no sponsors. Report coming later, but guys in many threads on ISG mention bringing cheap phones from home to pass out to hookers. In many cases, the phone costs them less than what they would pay giving the girl cash.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190668]Not obvious at all. I am pretty damn sure this chick has no sponsors. Report coming later, but guys in many threads on ISG mention bringing cheap phones from home to pass out to hookers. In many cases, the phone costs them less than what they would pay giving the girl cash.[/QUOTE]I made a mistake like this giving a girl a phone. I'm sure I had "reset" the phone back to factory defaults. On her way back home she texts and asks me who are the pictures of the girls on the phone. I said I don't know. Never saw her again.

Ten years to be exact and to be honest, things have changed quite a bit since then.

I'm just curious, are "casas" still a thing? I remember going to one as part of my first foray into the scene many years ago (I can't remember where it was exactly).

[QUOTE=Kyper;2191260]Ten years to be exact and to be honest, things have changed quite a bit since then.

I'm just curious, are "casas" still a thing? I remember going to one as part of my first foray into the scene many years ago (I can't remember where it was exactly).[/QUOTE]To Kyper.

You are right that is a long long time ago most casas are closed down in Manila, the one near P Burgos and Emirita are gone there are still some up north Quezon and Pasay area but bad area of town so are you a curious George not asking questions but not coming back.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2191337]You are right that is a long long time ago most casas are closed down in Manila, the one near P Burgos and Emirita are gone there are still some up north Quezon and Pasay area but bad area of town so are you a curious George not asking questions but not coming back.[/QUOTE]What is your definition of a casa? There most certainly are hole in the wall places in Ermita where you can go rent some pussy, although none of the chicks look worth a shit. My first couple of times in Manila I hopped in a taxi and he took us to actual casas (houses) with rent a chicks.

To Mr Enternational.

2000 pesos with a girl all night is a very good deal. Is she hot?

I had a college girl a couple days for about the same rate. Her name is Mary, a hot, tight, horny girl from a small island. She loved to fuck all night and I went bareback. Had some hot sex. Hope she did not get a bump in her stomach hehe. In between she took me to that giant Mall of Asia South of the airport and various eating places. The live seafood market near that mall is ridiculously expensive; the restaurants that allegedly cooked them could not cook worth a damn. The zoo was closed. There are not much sight seeing in Manila unless you want to look at their Cathedral etc.

The casas in Ermita have below-average looking girls. Others is Pasay had some very pretty girls, 3000 to 4000 pesos a night.

I am aching to come back to the nice, gentle girls of Phil. A couple young guys here want to take a tour of the hot spots. I don't like ugly and mercenary girls in Angeles City. Manila has lots more hotter girls who don't act like ghetto hoes. May be we will spend a couple days in Manila then Cebu.

Date in Asia blocked my account. What are the other dating sites? How can you arrange dates with civies besides hanging out in LA Cafe?

I traded whatsapp with the chick I was talking to. She lives in Cavite. She said it is about 2 hours away. Later that night she was sending me messages asking if I wanted to see her. Fast forward and I told her I would be in Manila today and asked if she wanted to come see me. She said sure. I remember in LA Cafe she told me that she gets 2500. Well I have never given out that kind of money. So I verified with her how much I needed to give her. She said 2500. I told her that was too much. She said 2000. I said that is good. Mood ruined by negotiating as usual. I am in the Grab on the way to the hotel. I told her to meet me there at 4. With the rain here, I am sure it will take longer. 4:22 and she just sent me a message to say she was still in the bus. So 2000 pesos for about 14 hours with a chick. I will say it worked out well for both parties. Sure beats that 4000 that a mamasan in AC told me that I would have to give her for her to come.

[QUOTE=Kyper;2191260]Ten years to be exact and to be honest, things have changed quite a bit since then.

I'm just curious, are "casas" still a thing? I remember going to one as part of my first foray into the scene many years ago (I can't remember where it was exactly).[/QUOTE]There are still a few casas in Manila.

Easier with used old phones but much harder nowadays to bring new unlocked subsidized phones to make it economically feasible. FWIW, many like dual SIM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190668]Not obvious at all. I am pretty damn sure this chick has no sponsors. Report coming later, but guys in many threads on ISG mention bringing cheap phones from home to pass out to hookers. In many cases, the phone costs them less than what they would pay giving the girl cash.[/QUOTE]

You can try we chat, very effective if you filter lady boys by insisting video chat. Wechat is good for day game as many girls available.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2191394]To Mr Enternational.

2000 pesos with a girl all night is a very good deal. Is she hot?

I had a college girl a couple days for about the same rate. Her name is Mary, a hot, tight, horny girl from a small island. She loved to fuck all night and I went bareback. Had some hot sex. Hope she did not get a bump in her stomach hehe. In between she took me to that giant Mall of Asia South of the airport and various eating places. The live seafood market near that mall is ridiculously expensive; the restaurants that allegedly cooked them could not cook worth a damn. The zoo was closed. There are not much sight seeing in Manila unless you want to look at their Cathedral etc.

The casas in Ermita have below-average looking girls. Others is Pasay had some very pretty girls, 3000 to 4000 pesos a night.

I am aching to come back to the nice, gentle girls of Phil. A couple young guys here want to take a tour of the hot spots. I don't like ugly and mercenary girls in Angeles City. Manila has lots more hotter girls who don't act like ghetto hoes. May be we will spend a couple days in Manila then Cebu.

Date in Asia blocked my account. What are the other dating sites? How can you arrange dates with civies besides hanging out in LA Cafe?

I traded whatsapp with the chick I was talking to. She lives in Cavite. She said it is about 2 hours away. Later that night she was sending me messages asking if I wanted to see her. Fast forward and I told her I would be in Manila today and asked if she wanted to come see me. She said sure. I remember in LA Cafe she told me that she gets 2500. Well I have never given out that kind of money. So I verified with her how much I needed to give her. She said 2500. I told her that was too much. She said 2000. I said that is good. Mood ruined by negotiating as usual. I am in the Grab on the way to the hotel. I told her to meet me there at 4. With the rain here, I am sure it will take longer. 4:22 and she just sent me a message to say she was still in the bus. So 2000 pesos for about 14 hours with a chick. I will say it worked out well for both parties. Sure beats that 4000 that a mamasan in AC told me that I would have to give her for her to come.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2191660]To Melman111.

Are there hot girls in Wechat?

What are typical rate for all night dates?[/QUOTE]I pay wechat girls P1500 - P2000 depending on their situation. There are different types of girls that are available at different times. The younger and hotter girls will (generally) not be online until after midday. They will be out late playing. That's a good sign.

I have had good success over the years with morning shift. These are moms that have done their duty in the morning getting hubby and kids off to work / school. They will do there part to add extra income for the family. IME usually online 5-5:30 am then again after 8 am. (or something like that, before the others wake and after they leave). The party girls might be online 5-5:30 but they are on their way hoe from last night's shag.

To my mind in WeChat there are rarely super hot girls. Hot girls can get pickup anywhere. Wechat and other dating sites allow the more average girls to build some contact, get your trust and let their personality overcome their blemishes.

In the end your definition of hot chick is what counts. I would prefer an enthusiastic girl over a pretentious princess. That's just my experience.

Enjoy Manila.

PL.

It sounds to me like WeChat might be a great way to find ladies in Manila. However, I was downloading the app and they want my information.

What does one have to do to be anonymous on WeChat?

[QUOTE=Forest;2191701]It sounds to me like WeChat might be a great way to find ladies in Manila. However, I was downloading the app and they want my information.

What does one have to do to be anonymous on WeChat?[/QUOTE]Not possible. You can have a fake name and fake profile picture, but the Chinese Government will have your phone number.

Since you are not going to be using the app for genuine, long lasting relationship forming, most hookers won't care that you have a fake name and picture. The other option is to go with an innocuous picture, say of your pet dog, or landscape etc. Trust me, hookers don't care.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2191660]To Melman111.

Are there hot girls in Wechat?

What are typical rate for all night dates?[/QUOTE]There are pros, semi-pros, non-pros and lady boys on WeChat. Some are ugly, some are hot and some are average. It's just another advertising medium. All night rates are negotiable, but in Manila, 3,500 - 4,000 PHP would be around the right amount from a freelance pro. For a non-pro, just buy her dinner and drinks and slip 2,000 PHP in her handbag for taxi money on her way out.

[QUOTE=Forest;2191701]What does one have to do to be anonymous on WeChat?[/QUOTE]Her are some ideas:

Use the free undocumented Globe SIM that you get at the arrivals hall when you arrive in Clark, Manila or Cebu.

Use the free Globe sim they give you on Philippines Airlines inbound flights.

My wechat account was originally linked to a cell number. I also linked it to a fake email, then removed the phone number. I don't think this method works any more.

Basically I will collect free SIM card where ever I am in Phils. These are then used as wechat burners.

You definitely do not want Filipino connecting yo you genuine USA, homeland or Phils work numbers.

Enjoy.

What? Unlike the Spanish government who IS listening through your phone and GPS tracking you in case you are watching an unpaid for broadcast of the Football games? That is more shocking as LEO will drop by. And there could be more.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2191703]Not possible. You can have a fake name and fake profile picture, but the Chinese Government will have your phone number.

Since you are not going to be using the app for genuine, long lasting relationship forming, most hookers won't care that you have a fake name and picture. The other option is to go with an innocuous picture, say of your pet dog, or landscape etc. Trust me, hookers don't care.[/QUOTE]

FWIW, a lot of the girls have little sex education in school or afterwards. Expect your little package in 9 months time.

The easy targets are girls you see every day. I however stay away from them in case things go bad. I need to try social media more but I just don't have the time nor patience.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2191394]I had a college girl a couple days for about the same rate. Her name is Mary, a hot, tight, horny girl from a small island. She loved to fuck all night and I went bareback. Had some hot sex. Hope she did not get a bump in her stomach hehe. In between she took me to that giant Mall of Asia South of the airport and various eating places. The live seafood market near that mall is ridiculously expensive; the restaurants that allegedly cooked them could not cook worth a damn. The zoo was closed. There are not much sight seeing in Manila unless you want to look at their Cathedral etc.

How can you arrange dates with civies besides hanging out in LA Cafe?.[/QUOTE]

There are many non pros 6-7 and you can insist on video chat, otherwise you will end up with ladyboy or different girl. I paid 1500 PHP for 2-3 hours. 4000 php full night via wechat is possible. LACAFE will also 5 k

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2191660]To Melman111.

Are there hot girls in Wechat?

What are typical rate for all night dates?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2191394]
There are not much sight seeing in Manila unless you want to look at their Cathedral etc.[/QUOTE]The Corregidor tour is pretty interesting.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2191869]4000 php full night via wechat is possible. LACAFE will also 5 k[/QUOTE]Dude I have never given anyone in all of PI this kind of money. The most I have given a chick from LA Cafe is 2000 for LT. I have never even heard one ask for 5000. Some chick from WeChat, Tinder, or DIA asked for 8000 (that wasn't even for all night I don't think) and all I could do was laugh. It's a damn 3rd world country. Why would you pay someone's rent for the entire month from 1 night of fucking?

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2191337]To Kyper.

You are right that is a long long time ago most casas are closed down in Manila, the one near P Burgos and Emirita are gone there are still some up north Quezon and Pasay area but bad area of town so are you a curious George not asking questions but not coming back.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I am actually coming back after a long absence. I wanted to see how the scene is nowadays.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191351]What is your definition of a casa? There most certainly are hole in the wall places in Ermita where you can go rent some pussy, although none of the chicks look worth a shit. My first couple of times in Manila I hopped in a taxi and he took us to actual casas (houses) with rent a chicks.[/QUOTE]That's exactly my definition. So at least its still the same. Via taxi recommendation.

The last time I went with a couple of friends we went into a house and got a couple of girls. Same taxi guys were waiting to take us back. Got to admit it was scary at first because this was in the dead of night in a dead end street somewhere in Manila we did not know (this was the days before Google maps and smartphones) and we were worried we were going to wake up with our organs harvested.

Turned out everything was okay.

Going to be going solo this time which is why I'm somewhat more cautious (also because I'm older haha).

There are number of FR stating that working girls can be picked up at Robinson's Mall: ". Just sit outside Starbucks, as few wait there. " Unless I am mistaken, there are several Robinson's Mall? Is that correct. I will be staying in the Crowne Plaza Galleria in Quezon City. Isn't there a Robinson's Mall near the Crowne Plaza?

Or is the Robinson's Mall in Ermita? Would appreciate some guidance for the "right" Mall. Thanks!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191974]Dude I have never given anyone in all of PI this kind of money. The most I have given a chick from LA Cafe is 2000 for LT. I have never even heard one ask for 5000. Some chick from WeChat, Tinder, or DIA asked for 8000 (that wasn't even for all night I don't think) and all I could do was laugh. It's a damn 3rd world country. Why would you pay someone's rent for the entire month from 1 night of fucking?[/QUOTE]I know Ava and have chatted before, not met her tho.

Was she worth it if you finally got a decent price?

[QUOTE=Firebird;2192090]There are number of FR stating that working girls can be picked up at Robinson's Mall: ". Just sit outside Starbucks, as few wait there. " Unless I am mistaken, there are several Robinson's Mall? Is that correct. I will be staying in the Crowne Plaza Galleria in Quezon City. Isn't there a Robinson's Mall near the Crowne Plaza?

Or is the Robinson's Mall in Ermita? Would appreciate some guidance for the "right" Mall. Thanks![/QUOTE]To pick up cheap hookers at the Robinson's Mall mentioned in the FRs, you need to be in Ermita. You can also walk to LA Cafe from there.

Where you will be staying is miles away and it's not really feasible to zip back and forth.

ED is correct. I also think you are taking it too literally. Robinson's Mall is a shop, like Starbucks. There are places where P4P players will overrun the place and there are normal places where you can just meet someone. Give the Galleria a shot. You never know if you can strike gold.

[QUOTE=Firebird;2192090]There are number of FR stating that working girls can be picked up at Robinson's Mall: ". Just sit outside Starbucks, as few wait there. " Unless I am mistaken, there are several Robinson's Mall? Is that correct. I will be staying in the Crowne Plaza Galleria in Quezon City. Isn't there a Robinson's Mall near the Crowne Plaza?

Or is the Robinson's Mall in Ermita? Would appreciate some guidance for the "right" Mall. Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192074]To PinaLove.

Wechat girls in Vietnam are crude, ugly, flthy, hardened hoes, or transexuals, posting fake pics. I had a couple very bad experiences with them. Would never try Wechat in Vietnam again..[/QUOTE]That's good feedback. An app is just a platform for the already existing girls. If the country's girls are harden, then so will the girls on the App.

You will find all kin of girls on Wechat. I know in my experience I have some great girls from there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191974]Dude I have never given anyone in all of PI this kind of money. The most I have given a chick from LA Cafe is 2000 for LT.[/QUOTE]I agree with you ME that the prices being quoted by LAC girl has become ridiculous. However, this has been happening for over a year now. Mid-30's (or more) fugglies often open with 3500 (or more) for ST, and some won't consider LT at any price. While I consider those prices ridiculously high, the only reason those girls are quoting them is that they often get that price (men are dumb). I tend to wait them out, and I now have to query thru half a dozen or more girls to get to one who quotes less (or is willing to dicker down to a reasonable rate).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191974]I have never even heard one ask for 5000.[/QUOTE]I have. As an example, I was there a few months ago. A near-40 fuggly's initial pop was 3000ST, and I balked and walked. A few minutes later the fuggly returned with a mid-20's looker. Some chat and the looker said 6000. Ha! A sense of humor! Is that for LT or ST? "Its a short time! And condom". So nice chatting with you ladies, time to balk / walk. What I wanted to say was: Price, you *must* be kidding! Time, you *must* be kidding! Condom, you *must* be kidding! I burned thru several more of these over-priced offers until I found an early-20's spinner who agreed to my stuff for 1500, with her requirement of 1 pop (and my counter that 1 pop was fine, but she stay 90 minutes). I have found that most gents are not in the mood at LAC to 'shop'.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191974]Why would you pay someone's rent for the entire month from 1 night of fucking? [/QUOTE]For good reason (I think). Convenience. And also the feeling (and its only a feeling) that they are getting a 'good deal'. As an analogy, the dickering system of car purchase in many countries, where the customer dickers with a salesman over the price of the automobile. It makes the customer feel like he's getting a 'good deal', because he has haggled the price of the car down. But in reality, the dealership is the one who is getting the better deal (he could sell if for hundreds or thousands less $ and still make a profit).

For newbs, I say we let them pay the higher price (they are already doing it -- in droves) and feel good about it. Its easy for you or I to get a better price on razor by shopping in the right place (its cheapest at Gaisano, more at Rustans, and even more at a convenience store), as we've been at this a long time. Even by telling newbs to get the razor at Gaisano for a better price, they will probably just get it at a nearby 7-11 (which is what LAC is).

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192052]The casas had significantly hotter girls, some even glamorous, wearing fashionable clothes. [/QUOTE]On the subject of rising costs, I went to two casas and EDSA last December and did not find anything worth the 5 K they were asking. Maybe 3 K for all night but even that's pushing it. Maybe all the good ones were already taken that evening. So, I struck out and went back to LAC and found a familiar face / body that rocked my world all night for 2.5 K and she was very happy. Took care of the morning wood, too.

Hi guys,

Will be in Manila for about a week later this month. This will be my first visit to south east. Have gone through past 10 pages and it seems Manila offers great opportunity to a avid monger lIke me. Will be staying in Makati.

Requesting all members of this wonderful forum to share contacts and coordinates of working girls nearby. How much should I pay for bar girls, massage parlours etc.

PM is active. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192365]....

Most girls in Ermita casas looked undernourished, short and stunted, wearing shabby clothes. They all slumped down on benches watching TV, ......[/QUOTE]My personal filter in a fishbowl situation is to only pick from the girls making eye contact and smiling at me.

[QUOTE=FunniestFuck;2192375]Hi guys,

Will be in Manila for about a week later this month. This will be my first visit to south east. Have gone through past 10 pages and it seems Manila offers great opportunity to a avid monger lIke me. Will be staying in Makati.

Requesting all members of this wonderful forum to share contacts and coordinates of working girls nearby. How much should I pay for bar girls, massage parlours etc.

PM is active. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There is a lot (a wealth) of info here and looking in all the threads means the answers you need are there. Did you read about Burgos or ESDA or FLs or Havana.. Just asking as a real RTFF would lead you to know where, when, how much'.

Am sure you can do better as seems your FRs are mainly questions in India (all India except this one) and once asked you don't contribute except ask again for 'digits'.

Try expanding your RTFF to more than 1 second and read other threads as all that is there. Even links to some girls also.

And don't forget to post a FR also please. Long, detailed etc as a newbies take on Makati would be interesting.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2192497]There is a lot (a wealth) of info here and looking in all the threads means the answers you need are there. Did you read about Burgos or ESDA or FLs or Havana.. Just asking as a real RTFF would lead you to know where, when, how much'.

Am sure you can do better as seems your FRs are mainly questions in India (all India except this one) and once asked you don't contribute except ask again for 'digits'.

Try expanding your RTFF to more than 1 second and read other threads as all that is there. Even links to some girls also.

And don't forget to post a FR also please. Long, detailed etc as a newbies take on Makati would be interesting.[/QUOTE]WR I think its futile. Asking these takers to reform is like wish the sun rises in the west. Ain't happening. I simply ignore these days.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2192535]WR I think its futile. Asking these takers to reform is like wish the sun rises in the west. Ain't happening. I simply ignore these days.[/QUOTE]I estimate that it would take someone of average intelligence and a reasonable Internet connection approximately 10 minutes to identify appropriate information regarding popular rent-a-girl information on these pages. I'm guessing that this is why this site has an archival capacity.

GE.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192296]To Westcoast.

It's very rare to find younger, hot girls in LA Cafe. Most are old and ugly. I would never dip my dick into those old, wrinkled bodies. If they are asking US $100-120 for ST, they are just being absurd. Most would just hang out without doing any business.

What are the better venues besides LA Cafe?

I have. As an example, I was there a few months ago. A near-40 fuggly's initial pop was 3000ST, and I balked and walked. A few minutes later the fuggly returned with a mid-20's looker. Some chat and the looker said 6000. Ha! A sense of humor! Is that for LT or ST? "Its a short time! And condom". So nice chatting with you ladies, time to balk / walk. What I wanted to say was: Price, you must be kidding! Time, you must be kidding! Condom, you must be kidding! I burned thru several more.[/QUOTE]Well, obviously many mongers are drilling those toothless grannies at LAC, and paying good money for the privilege too. Granny sex is a thing in LAC, and fellas enjoy dropping loads in those wrinkle old cackling hags. The geriatric tarts would not ask for big money if fellas did not pay to knock the dust out of their antique rugs, experience a legendary toothless BBBJCIM w / swallow, and gumming of the ball-sack. LAC inventory has consisted of fossilized vaginas for decades, and mongers still flock there in droves so the demand is there. LOL!

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192296]To Westcoast.

It's very rare to find younger, hot girls in LA Cafe. Most are old and ugly. I would never dip my dick into those old, wrinkled bodies.
.[/QUOTE]Spot on! Years ago LA Cafe had some decent talent and was certainly worth a visit. Nowadays it's packed full of old worn dogs. Not worth the visit IMO, however some people still tend to like it. All the power to them I guess.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192365]To D Cups.

Don't know what casas, where or which Edsa bars you went to.

. Compare to China, Thailand or Vietnam, the Phil seems to have serious food and nutrition problems.

Went away from Ermita and found taller, healthier, hotter-looking, some sweetest-looking girls anywhere.
For the, DD and DDD cups you need to go to Tijuana and South / Central America.[/QUOTE]To Solo: Like I said, maybe the best ones were already taken at casas and EDSA that particular evening. I maintain there are still doables in LA Cafe but maybe I am just lucky. The good ones go fast. Yes, there are beautiful girls everywhere in the PI. Yes, been to Vietnam 10 times, Thailand at least five; and Dominican Republic has quite a superb selection of double and triple dees as I have been there, too, ten times (Tijuana, too, but DR is better and cheaper once you're there). Cheers.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2192714]Spot on! Years ago LA Cafe had some decent talent and was certainly worth a visit. Nowadays it's packed full of old worn dogs. Not worth the visit IMO, however some people still tend to like it. All the power to them I guess.[/QUOTE]Maybe it depends on when you go. Last Saturday night was the best I have ever seen it. It was on and poppin. Met a chick that does a TV / Radio show twice a week. She showed me the videos from it on her phone. She also told me that the waitresses are available. I never knew that in all these years. So funny because my waitress kept hitting on me and putting her arm around me. She was the best looking girl there to me. She also kept trying to get me to buy her a drink. I told her that I would get her a whole bottle on her off day. She gave me her number before I left. I put it in my phone, but unfortunately there is no whatsapp or anything attached to it, so I will have to just call when I get a chace.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192296]To Westcoast.
It's very rare to find younger, hot girls in LA Cafe. Most are old and ugly. I would never dip my dick into those old, wrinkled bodies.[/QUOTE]Yes, as stated in my report. And while you are entitled to your opinion regarding old, wrinkled bodies, there seems to be a thriving market for those old, wrinkled bodies. Apparently a LOT of somebodies out there enjoy forking over $80 to granny-seed.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2192284]Mid-30's (or more) fugglies often open with 3500 (or more) for ST, and some won't consider LT at any price. SNIP
I have. As an example, I was there a few months ago. A near-40 fuggly's initial pop was 3000ST, and I balked and walked. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2192361]To Ebauche.

If I were a limping, cane-whacking WWII vet, would be sentimental to see what are left of Corregidor and retrace the long Bataan death March.
[/QUOTE]Respectfully disagree. Pinas is rich in a variety of culture (s). I'm don't limp or use a cane, and I'm not a veteran; yet I'd likie to see Corregidor. I also like to visit local cultural / historical places in any country that I'm in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191974]Dude I have never given anyone in all of PI this kind of money. The most I have given a chick from LA Cafe is 2000 for LT. I have never even heard one ask for 5000. Some chick from WeChat, Tinder, or DIA asked for 8000 (that wasn't even for all night I don't think) and all I could do was laugh. It's a damn 3rd world country. Why would you pay someone's rent for the entire month from 1 night of fucking?[/QUOTE]To Mr Enternational.

No girls at LAC is worth 5000 p for all night only newbie will fall for that, I didn't take any girl here last 5 time I when to LAC only the ugly one will go for 2000 p or less just a waste of time, I did find a college girl cute face just outside of LAC 1500 p for st 2 yr ago very rush service not planning to back back to Manila soon.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2192597]Well, obviously many mongers are drilling those toothless grannies at LAC, and paying good money for the privilege too. Granny sex is a thing in LAC, and fellas enjoy dropping loads in those wrinkle old cackling hags. The geriatric tarts would not ask for big money if fellas did not pay to knock the dust out of their antique rugs, experience a legendary toothless BBBJCIM w / swallow, and gumming of the ball-sack. LAC inventory has consisted of fossilized vaginas for decades, and mongers still flock there in droves so the demand is there. LOL![/QUOTE]Even if I am no regular at LAC anymore and these days are Connected through well implemented Phil friends from my work in Emirates, I still enjoy the now and then (once a year mostly) visit to LAC. Maybe this is due to the very first time I did sex in the Phils it was with a LAC waitress, MBC back then, and it was a Perfect additional session.

I never met the toothless visitor. I am very in the beg og my 40 ties and look much younger but during prime time in LAC / MBC there are good looking non grannies willing to spread their twats for a NeXT to nothing. BGC / Makati is my main target area (always stay in Fairmont and such). Better let the Girls come to my Place, hehe.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2193130]

..... I didn't take any girl here last 5 time I when to LAC only the ugly one will go for 2000 p or less just a waste of time..........[/QUOTE]I concur. My last several visits yielded nothing also. Quality has gotten really bad! I'm a picky monger, however.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2192731]Maybe it depends on when you go. Last Saturday night was the best I have ever seen it. It was on and poppin. Met a chick that does a TV / Radio show twice a week. She showed me the videos from it on her phone. [/QUOTE]I was talking to my LA Cafe chick on Whatsapp yesterday. Evidently she thought I was still in Manila because she asked if I had an iron that she could borrow. I told her that if I was still there then I would have seen her by now. She said that she needed to iron her dress because she was meeting with the president tomorrow. I said president of what. She said president of the Philippines. She was supposed to receive some awards. I will be damn if that chick didn't cold send me 6 pictures of her with the president today and the awards she received on behalf of the Philippine Consulate in Dubai. Never know what you will come up with out of LA Cafe. Go in with an open mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2193679]I will be damn if that chick didn't cold send me 6 pictures of her with the president today and the awards she received on behalf of the Philippine Consulate in Dubai. [/QUOTE]He's been known to give attractive women unsolicited kisses in public award ceremonies. Was she attractive enough that he might have tried?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2193679]I was talking to my LA Cafe chick on Whatsapp yesterday...... She said that she needed to iron her dress because she was meeting with the president tomorrow. I said president of what. She said president of the Philippines.. .... Never know what you will come up with out of LA Cafe. Go in with an open mind.[/QUOTE]So even the Pres hunts for his pussy at the LAC?

Wonder what rates he gets for LT?

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2193834]He's been known to give attractive women unsolicited kisses in public award ceremonies. Was she attractive enough that he might have tried?[/QUOTE]She said it is not allowed. LOL. You think I go all the way to PI to parade around with unattractive chicks?

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2193843]So even the Pres hunts for his pussy at the LAC?

Wonder what rates he gets for LT?[/QUOTE]To Kabul.

I remember 20 yr ago first time to LAC you can get nice girl for 500 p ST and 1000 p for all night and many girl will say up to you sir when you ask them how much they want, you don't see much Korean back in the days mostly monger from US and Europe.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2193901]You think I go all the way to PI to parade around with unattractive chicks?[/QUOTE]Prove it. All talk, no show.

Duterte's daughter probably reads the public image tea leaves better than he does and laid down the law on him. LOL.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2194063]I remember 20 yr ago first time to LAC you can get nice girl for 500 p ST and 1000 p for all night and many girl will say up to you sir when you ask them how much they want, you don't see much Korean back in the days mostly monger from US and Europe.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Hi Eddie,

Ah yes, the good old days. Even 10 years ago I have scored as early as 6 AM there (flight arrived at 4:30 AM) with a "7" whose milk bags were full and yummy. What a way to start the day! As my handle suggests, I am usually on the hunt for the slim ones with the bigger boobs, even better if they are lactating haha. For the newcomers to this scene, many times if you don't see something you like, or have a particular fetish like mine, ask around and someone will go find a girl to your liking. For a small finder's fee, of course.

I spent last weekend in Makati, stayed at the Peninsula hotel. It is a grand old hotel, but the furnishings are dated compared to Fairmont and New World Makati hotels.

Tried WeChat people nearby function one evening and got in touch with "angelkimmy". That turned out to be a mistake as she said the original agreed amount was for companionship for a few hours and tried to upsell everything else. I had made the rookie mistake of not discussing all the details on WeChat before asking her to come to the hotel.

Went to LA Cafe the early next evening. It was raining heavily and not crowded. Played and lost a couple of games of pool and waited for more girls to show up. Around 8 pm, found a very cute 22 year old that needed some help with tuition and rent, sitting quietly without a drink. She claims to go there once a month to make ends meet. Agreed to LT at a reasonable cost, had a nice dinner in a restaurant in Glorietta followed by a nice soaking in the bathtub in the room and GFE rest of the night. She made up for the bad experience the previous evening.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2194063]To Kabul.

I remember 20 yr ago first time to LAC

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I've noticed a change in the attitude of girls here in just two years.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;2198601]I've noticed a change in the attitude of girls here in just two years.[/QUOTE]I landed in AC early 1970's and yes, the attitude of girls has changed since then, LOL.

Plus, good looking girls just do not work in bars anymore. There is pre Internet, and post Internet era's. Guess which one was best!

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2194063]To Kabul.

I remember 20 yr ago first time to LAC you can get nice girl for 500 p ST and 1000 p for all night and many girl will say up to you sir when you ask them how much they want, you don't see much Korean back in the days mostly monger from US and Europe.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Good news is that the girls are still available for this price (p500ST) in AC, you just need to know where to look.

These girls are now 45-55 years old, not looking quite as sharp but the price is cheap. Like all of us since then they have a few kids, some baggage and he body is not quite as neat.

The great Sxxx girls from 1970's are now 70 years old and can also be had for a good price, some deterioration of the body work though.

There are however new 2018 versions available, different attitude, different prices.

I love this new and old place.

PL.

[QUOTE=Rak22;2198224]
Tried WeChat people nearby function one evening and got in touch with "angelkimmy". That turned out to be a mistake as she said the original agreed amount was for companionship for a few hours and tried to upsell everything else.[/QUOTE]Oh no, I chatted to Kimmy sometimes, and always wondered what she was like. I initially wondered if "she" was "he". Am glad you can put that theory to rest!

What did you do, pay more or let her go with a small tip?

[QUOTE=LongLunches;2198971]Oh no, I chatted to Kimmy sometimes, and always wondered what she was like. I initially wondered if "she" was "he". Am glad you can put that theory to rest!

What did you do, pay more or let her go with a small tip?[/QUOTE]I cut my losses and let her go. There are plenty of other options in Greenbelt 3 in Makati.

[QUOTE=PinaLove;2198892] ................... The great Sxxxx girls from 1970's are now 70 years old and can also be had for a good price, some deterioration of the body work though.[/QUOTE]And I am now 80 yrs old, and in need of some body work too. For P100 I'd take those young 70 yr olds on.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2199022]And I am now 80 yrs old, and in need of some body work too. For P100 I'd take those young 70 yr olds on.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with an 80-year-old monger who likes to fuck age appropriate 70-year-old hookers from LA Caf. Those wrinkled vintage pussies work just as well as an 18-year-old one after you put a quart of oil in them. At P100, you are getting a fair price at LA Caf compared to what much younger mongers are paying to fuck those grannies. LA Caf is not about fucking young beauty queens; it is all about fucking bargain bin pussy at the lowest possible prices.

There are pluses to blowing your sperms into 70-year-old grannies such as no worries about pregnancies when you fuck them bareback cum-in-pussy, and expert gum-only bareback blowjobs. In addition, granny is not going to pull a runner because the children are waiting at home. You get to cuddle up and enjoy your post-coital nap with that soft warm granny fragrant with the scents of rose water and lavender.

I'd like to start with a question. Has anyone ever been to a casa? How did you find it? I am bored of doing LAC / Burgos and in need of a change. Maybe someone would be kind enough to recommend one? (please PM me if you don't want to post it publicly).

Since I don't want to ask without giving back, I will leave you with my most recent experience:

Decided to head over to Bottom's, but it was pretty dead. A few worn-out girls, but no lookers. I had been to bottoms several times and never seen it this bad.

I got bored of getting hit on my desperate chubbies and got up and turned to leave. Just as I was heading out the door I felt a tap on my shoulder. Lo and behold, the only good one in the place. I forget her name now. She offered me full service. I hesitated and she said, "Let me take you upstairs. ".

At this point I was intrigued, she had hooked me and she knew it. She led me by the hand to the secret upstairs lounge in Bottoms, where they do private parties. In all the times I had been here, I didn't even know that such a thing existed!

We agreed on a price, I think it was 2000 if I recall. She locked the door and began to strip.

BJ, then mish, doggy, and finally I finished with her riding me cowgirl while I played with her ass.

It just goes to show, you never know what you might find if you just take a second look around, and don't give up!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2199144]Nothing wrong with an 80-year-old monger who likes to fuck age appropriate 70-year-old hookers from LA Caf. Those wrinkled vintage pussies work just as well as an 18-year-old one after you put a quart of oil in them. At P100, you are getting a fair price at LA Caf compared to what much younger mongers are paying to fuck those grannies. LA Caf is not about fucking young beauty queens; it is all about fucking bargain bin pussy at the lowest possible prices.

There are pluses to blowing your sperms into 70-year-old grannies such as no worries about pregnancies when you fuck them bareback cum-in-pussy, and expert gum-only bareback blowjobs. In addition, granny is not going to pull a runner because the children are waiting at home. You get to cuddle up and enjoy your post-coital nap with that soft warm granny fragrant with the scents of rose water and lavender.[/QUOTE]Good report on your experience.

I still prefer the 20-35 year olds. Don't worry no competition from me on your grannies.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2199248]Don't worry no competition from me on your grannies.[/QUOTE]"Will work for fake teeth".

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2199144] LA Caf is not about fucking young beauty queens; it is all about fucking bargain bin pussy at the lowest possible prices.

.[/QUOTE]Spot on.

It's a place to visit and say you've been there and got the t-shirt.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2199366]Spot on.

It's a place to visit and say you've been there and got the t-shirt.[/QUOTE]I have, I did and never again LOL.

Friend uses it to pick up girls for sex parties (well his wife does) and that the only reason why she goes there.

We all have different flavours and some clearly like it while others (like me) have wish to ever go there again.

[QUOTE=Shadow394;2199194]I'd like to start with a question. Has anyone ever been to a casa? How did you find it? I am bored of doing LAC / Burgos and in need of a change. Maybe someone would be kind enough to recommend one? (please PM me if you don't want to post it publicly).

Since I don't want to ask without giving back, I will leave you with my most recent experience:

Decided to head over to Bottom's, but it was pretty dead. A few worn-out girls, but no lookers. I had been to bottoms several times and never seen it this bad.

I got bored of getting hit on my desperate chubbies and got up and turned to leave. Just as I was heading out the door I felt a tap on my shoulder. Lo and behold, the only good one in the place. I forget her name now. She offered me full service. I hesitated and she said, "Let me take you upstairs. ".

At this point I was intrigued, she had hooked me and she knew it. She led me by the hand to the secret upstairs lounge in Bottoms, where they do private parties. In all the times I had been here, I didn't even know that such a thing existed!.[/QUOTE]Where is this place? Any info?

[QUOTE=Bato56;2199490]Where is this place? Any info?[/QUOTE]Burgos. One of the most famous gogos in Manila.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2199144]Nothing wrong with an 80-year-old monger who likes to fuck age appropriate 70-year-old hookers from LA Caf. Those wrinkled vintage pussies work just as well as an 18-year-old one after you put a quart of oil in them. At P100, you are getting a fair price at LA Caf compared to what much younger mongers are paying to fuck those grannies. LA Caf is not about fucking young beauty queens; it is all about fucking bargain bin pussy at the lowest possible prices.

There are pluses to blowing your sperms into 70-year-old grannies such as no worries about pregnancies when you fuck them bareback cum-in-pussy, and expert gum-only bareback blowjobs. In addition, granny is not going to pull a runner because the children are waiting at home. You get to cuddle up and enjoy your post-coital nap with that soft warm granny fragrant with the scents of rose water and lavender.[/QUOTE]Why would a much older guy need to fuck grannies? With viagra and little patience he can get 20 something to fuck in Asia with no issues. I am not talking about full time prostitutes.

Thailand, Philippines are prime. China used to be but nowadays they pay attention to age. Indonesia can get lucky but lately they pay attention to age difference. More and more girls even in dateinasia list max age 50. Nobody checks your age. I M talking About not the sex inside closed doors. GFE activities which I enjoy like going to movies, mall walk, beach visit, restaurant, club dancing etc.

Her name is Clara, a sexy spinner with perfectly conical and perky be cups, long legs, creamy-smooth skin, pretty face looking more like an Euro girl with her partial Spanish genes, and her soft, sweet, sexy personality.

Found her in a Manila casa. Took her out for a fancy seafood dinner but she was not eating much, just drinking a fruit juice. We had sex all night. She to sleep but I never had enough of her creamy smooth skin. I was on top of her, embracing, kissing her lips, sucking her tongue, alternately driving my stiff dick into her tight and wet pussy all night. Her eyes were closed shut in blissful ecstasy. She was moaning softly, asking me to go slow, go gentle while caressing my back. Near climax, she would grab my butt with both hands and ram me hard into her crotch with each thrust.

There are many casas spread out throughout Manila metropolitan areas, at least 2 in Ermita on United Nations Ave, a few short blocks from the US Embassy. So don't believe the old farts who keep saying there are no casas left in Manila.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2199736]Her name is Clara, a sexy spinner with perfectly conical and perky be cups, long legs, creamy-smooth skin, pretty face looking more like an Euro girl with her partial Spanish genes, and her soft, sweet, sexy personality.

Found her in a Manila casa.[/QUOTE]Only thing about this is that I know this picture already. Maybe you or someone else posted it before or a friend sent it to me or I saw it on DateInAsia. But I have definitely seen this exact picture before.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2199707]Why would a much older guy need to fuck grannies? With viagra and little patience he can get 20 something to fuck in Asia with no issues. I am not talking about full time prostitutes.

Thailand, Philippines are prime. China used to be but nowadays they pay attention to age. Indonesia can get lucky but lately they pay attention to age difference. More and more girls even in dateinasia list max age 50. Nobody checks your age. I M talking About not the sex inside closed doors. GFE activities which I enjoy like going to movies, mall walk, beach visit, restaurant, club dancing etc.[/QUOTE]Why?

1. he stated he pays 100 pesos.

2. Reliving the good ole days from 1968.

3. Was seduced by a granny at a young age.

4. Loves the 4 layer wrinkled vulva.

5. Maybe he will tell us his personal reasons and experience. However it might be TMI.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2199793]Only thing about this is that I know this picture already. Maybe you or someone else posted it before or a friend sent it to me or I saw it on DateInAsia. But I have definitely seen this exact picture before.[/QUOTE]You are correct Mr E, this was posted about a year ago. Shame we can't RTFF by photo to be exact. Captain Solo. Am sure many of us know here and many will given your FR of how cute she is.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2199707]Why would a much older guy need to fuck grannies? With viagra and little patience he can get 20 something to fuck in Asia with no issues. I am not talking about full time prostitutes.

Thailand, Philippines are prime. China used to be but nowadays they pay attention to age. Indonesia can get lucky but lately they pay attention to age difference. More and more girls even in dateinasia list max age 50. Nobody checks your age. I M talking About not the sex inside closed doors. GFE activities which I enjoy like going to movies, mall walk, beach visit, restaurant, club dancing etc.[/QUOTE]Maybe he does not have patience for the twentysomething girls to decide to fuck him at a reasonable price once that Viagra induced boner starts twitching in his trousers. LOL! The pretty twentysomething girls can afford to hold out for a higher bid in LAC, especially with noobs paying 6,000 pesos for a ST cum-and-done.

Perhaps, the elderly monger figures that he can fuck 12 grannies for the price of one twentysomething girl with time and options on her side. In Manila, the girls can be a bit choosier because many mongers arrive there every day and are desperate to drop their loads upon arrival.

Many noobs overpay to drop their first load in Manila before traveling on to other destinations. Some gobble Viagra the minute the captain announces that the plane is about an hour away from entering Philippine airspace. If they chased the Viagra with beer or liquor to help take the edge off, they have raging boners just looking at the female immigration officers. By the time they make it through the taxi line and arrive at hotel reception, they are breaking out in a cold sweat just ogling the girls working the reception desk. After checking into their room and offloading their luggage, they head straight to Burgos or LAC. At that point their raging boner is leaking pre-cum, the last thing on their minds is having the patience to hunt down a twentysomething sperm extractor at a somewhat reasonable price.

Finally, an 80-year-old monger who was fucking Filipinas since the early 1970's when the girls were giving pussy away has likely fucked thousands of twentysomethings over a half-century of lecherous living. Perhaps, they do not give him the nostalgic thrill that grannies do. After all, he can still remember when Anna Bayle was a stone cold stunner.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2199707]Why would a much older guy need to fuck grannies? With viagra and little patience he can get 20 something to fuck in Asia with no issues. I am not talking about full time prostitutes.
[/QUOTE]I am sorry for causing all of this confusion. I believe it has come from my comment about the good old prices being available from the good old girls.

Sammon is right in saying that there is much fun to be had in Asia.

[QUOTE=PinaLove;2199833]I am sorry for causing all of this confusion. I believe it has come from my comment about the good old prices being available from the good old girls.

Sammon is right in saying that there is much fun to be had in Asia.[/QUOTE]There is no confusion. Some like porking old grandmothers.

Your post was a sophomoric attempt at humor. No confusion.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2199736]There are many casas spread out throughout Manila metropolitan areas, at least 2 in Ermita on United Nations Ave, a few short blocks from the US Embassy. So don't believe the old farts who keep saying there are no casas left in Manila.[/QUOTE]How did you get in? Did you just knock?

I will try to get a good casa reference from a taxi driver soon and report back what I find. I never thought I'd be bored of bar girls, but I think it's actually happening now. I am currently in Makati and have boned probably 1000 to date. TMI, I know, but whatever; p.

In fact, I know this is bad but these days I'm mostly looking for streetwalker and independent action. It's the thrill of the hunt that becomes addicting, it's not just about quickly getting one's rocks off. Bargirls are like going to Jollibee- you get a consistent package every time, assembly-line sex. But some of the most glowing experiences I've ever had have been with streetwalkers and indie girls I met at the mall. Much closer to a GFE. Much better experience than the bargirls I've been with.

I'll report back to you guys how the casa scene is, if I can get some time to explore this week.

In preparation for my upcoming trip to the Phils I have been using DIA and chatting with lots of girls. One interesting conversation was with a girl working as a nanny near Manila. The household has 3 kids. She gets up at 4 am does all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and babysitting. She does live in the house so gets bed and board. The thing that surprised me was she is paid 5000 php per month (about $100 us). This gave me new insight into the girls who exist in poverty there. BTW she will come to stay the night with me for taxi fare. FT.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2201805]In preparation for my upcoming trip to the Phils I have been using DIA and chatting with lots of girls. One interesting conversation was with a girl working as a nanny near Manila. The household has 3 kids. She gets up at 4 am does all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and babysitting. She does live in the house so gets bed and board. The thing that surprised me was she is paid 5000 php per month (about $100 us). This gave me new insight into the girls who exist in poverty there. BTW she will come to stay the night with me for taxi fare. FT.[/QUOTE]Or they can go and do the same in Hong Kong for not too much more.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2201805]In preparation for my upcoming trip to the Phils I have been using DIA and chatting with lots of girls. One interesting conversation was with a girl working as a nanny near Manila. The household has 3 kids. She gets up at 4 am does all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and babysitting. She does live in the house so gets bed and board. The thing that surprised me was she is paid 5000 php per month (about $100 us). This gave me new insight into the girls who exist in poverty there. BTW she will come to stay the night with me for taxi fare. FT.[/QUOTE]Yes, many survive on next to nothing, and what they do earn, often they send to family in the Province.

I hope if you do meet her, you look after her a little bit more than just "taxi fare" .

It is nothing to us, heaps to them.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2201805]In preparation for my upcoming trip to the Phils I have been using DIA and chatting with lots of girls. One interesting conversation was with a girl working as a nanny near Manila. The household has 3 kids. She gets up at 4 am does all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and babysitting. She does live in the house so gets bed and board. The thing that surprised me was she is paid 5000 php per month (about $100 us). This gave me new insight into the girls who exist in poverty there. BTW she will come to stay the night with me for taxi fare. FT.[/QUOTE]Does that mean you will actually pay her only taxi fare? See'Mon. Man.

And then we all complain that Westerners are not welcome, this has become a Asian men playground, etc. Think about it, if you gave her even $50 a day, that word gets around and a lot more might feel encouraged.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2201897]..... Think about it, if you gave her even $50 a day, that word gets around and a lot more might feel encouraged.[/QUOTE]

That can be taken two ways. Pay $50 and word gets around and everyone gets overcharged or pay $50 and word gets around and more quality pussy becomes available.

Personally I really don't care about an extra 1000 or so at all. It will not impact my lifestyle and getting good reliable quality pussy is worth it to me. There is an upper limit, I am not going to go 10,000 to 20,000 for an overnight for one from some of the escort sites. I did that a couple times in my early days here and the quality was not worth the extra. They were real GFE but still hardened pro's. I like enthusiastic amateurs much better.

I now have a stable of regulars established. I pay usually 2000 for an evening or 3 to 4000 if they stay overnight. I'll spring for a nice supper date and do things not just use them for sex. The result is any of my regulars are more than willing to come over when I call. I have one who always brings a friend, she will knows how I like them and always brings me a quality girl and we have a sleepover 3 some for 3,000 p each.

I don't mind paying for quality but I also realize that how much you pay and quality in mongering are often unrelated. I like my ladies to leave happy and looking forward to their next visit.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2201805]In preparation for my upcoming trip to the Phils I have been using DIA and chatting with lots of girls. One interesting conversation was with a girl working as a nanny near Manila. The household has 3 kids. She gets up at 4 am does all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and babysitting. She does live in the house so gets bed and board. The thing that surprised me was she is paid 5000 php per month (about $100 us). This gave me new insight into the girls who exist in poverty there. BTW she will come to stay the night with me for taxi fare. FT.[/QUOTE]I have been fortunate enough in the past to have many nanny's as you describe. I met one several years ago and when I was there she would also send her friends sometimes in tamden. They all knew I was fuckjng others and would often ask me if they were a better fuck than the others. By name. I had to keep a list to remember each if their good points. Each if them were so hirney and would fuck til I dropped. Only to beg for more. I have never in my life had such fun. Filipinas love to suck cock can usually take all in their mouth without gagging and will drink every drop. You will not be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2201897]Does that mean you will actually pay her only taxi fare? See'Mon. Man.

And then we all complain that Westerners are not welcome, this has become a Asian men playground, etc. Think about it, if you gave her even $50 a day, that word gets around and a lot more might feel encouraged.[/QUOTE]I do plan to tip the poor girl and generously commesurate with my satisfaction with her. For her, a dinner cooked by others and a night in a comfy hotel bed will be hugely appreciated. Tipping, is not strictly altruistic when we expect something in return for our donation in the form of a smile or continued relationship. FT.

IMHO, it is really up to you if you want to compensate her. If she is stupid enough not to ask, that is really her problem. I always pay to make sure that they understand that it was for services rendered. Should services be offered in the future, similar compensations will be made. I keep it simple. Sex. Money. And I encourage and help the girls find a more permanent partner.

I met a young newbie FL at a bar. Some months later, she tells me a story of how some FL friends were showing her the ropes a couple weeks before I met her. The week before I met her, an Indian guy had bought her a ladies drink. When he found out that she was not going to go with him to a hotel, he demanded she pay him his money back. She did. And on the way out, he kicked her hard on the shins. She said she limped for a week.

I told her that she was under not obligation to pay the money back nor to go with him. Anyway, I gave her money for the cost of the ladies drink she paid for herself plus the rounding up the guy did because she did not have exact change.

The problem with nannies is their schedule. Over the years, had several ask me how many times I need sex in a week. They wanted to keep me from straying and sniffing around.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2202010]I do plan to tip the poor girl and generously commesurate with my satisfaction with her. For her, a dinner cooked by others and a night in a comfy hotel bed will be hugely appreciated. Tipping, is not strictly altruistic when we expect something in return for our donation in the form of a smile or continued relationship. FT.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JohnaCarson;2201997]I have been fortunate enough in the past to have many nanny's as you describe. I met one several years ago and when I was there she would also send her friends sometimes in tamden. They all knew I was fuckjng others and would often ask me if they were a better fuck than the others. By name. I had to keep a list to remember each if their good points. Each if them were so hirney and would fuck til I dropped. Only to beg for more. I have never in my life had such fun. Filipinas love to suck cock can usually take all in their mouth without gagging and will drink every drop. You will not be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2202273]The problem with nannies is their schedule. Over the years, had several ask me how many times I need sex in a week. They wanted to keep me from straying and sniffing around.[/QUOTE]That is an easy question for me to answer because I am an old guy, often takes a long time to recharge but I still like female company often and to watch the effort they put in, sniffing around is a habit for me.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2202010]I do plan to tip the poor girl and generously commesurate with my satisfaction with her. For her, a dinner cooked by others and a night in a comfy hotel bed will be hugely appreciated. Tipping, is not strictly altruistic when we expect something in return for our donation in the form of a smile or continued relationship. FT.[/QUOTE]Respect your thinking. I wish there were more people behaving generously like you. Have fun man!

[QUOTE=Bushes;2202273]The week before I met her, an Indian guy had bought her a ladies drink. When he found out that she was not going to go with him to a hotel, he demanded she pay him his money back. She did. And on the way out, he kicked her hard on the shins. She said she limped for a week.[/QUOTE]Karma is a *****. I hope the guy gets iced on the street.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2202679]Karma is a *****.[/QUOTE]While it's a throw a away line, I've found this to be very true in Asia. It can be direct as people like this are over represented in mysterious robberies, attacks or police shake downs or indirect as word spreads quickly and they rapidly can't find a girl to go with them regardless of how much money they splash around.

It is unfortunate when their reputation tarnishes other well meaning punters of the same nationality, skin colour etc.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2202729]While it's a throw a away line, I've found this to be very true in Asia. It can be direct as people like this are over-represented in mysterious robberies, attacks or police shake downs or indirect as word spreads quickly and they rapidly can't find a girl to go with them regardless of how much money they splash around. It is unfortunate when their reputation tarnishes other well meaning punters of the same nationality, skin colour etc.[/QUOTE]Sorry this thing happened. The girl actually returned the money! Pinay is really sweet for the most part. I have been told this is pervasive with this particular group in Pattaya, (5 guys surprising one girl in the hotel and treating her roughly, etc.) and for payback, they are denied entry in many places or turned away for the most ridiculous reasons. Payback is a *****. Hey, when there are over a billion people you have to live with in your country, good manners are forgotten, and you start practising vicious survival of fittest tactics.

I like newbies or maybe it is just that some pinays are just really sweet and innocent. It was in another city and I offered to buy something for a pinay. When she came back, I pointed out how the company had not let her maximize her benefits and savings. She was upset and offered to pay me the lost benefits. I had to laugh at her naiveté. I told her, never offer to return a guys money. Never.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2202812]Sorry this thing happened. The girl actually returned the money! Pinay is really sweet for the most part. I have been told this is pervasive with this particular group in Pattaya, (5 guys surprising one girl in the hotel and treating her roughly, etc.) and for payback, they are denied entry in many places or turned away for the most ridiculous reasons. Payback is a *****. Hey, when there are over a billion people you have to live with in your country, good manners are forgotten, and you start practising vicious survival of fittest tactics.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bushes;2202273]IMHO, it is really up to you if you want to compensate her. If she is stupid enough not to ask, that is really her problem. I always pay to make sure that they understand that it was for services rendered. Should services be offered in the future, similar compensations will be made. I keep it simple. Sex. Money. And I encourage and help the girls find a more permanent partner.

I met a young newbie FL at a bar. Some months later, she tells me a story of how some FL friends were showing her the ropes a couple weeks before I met her. The week before I met her, an Indian guy had bought her a ladies drink. When he found out that she was not going to go with him to a hotel, he demanded she pay him his money back..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2204667]I like newbies or maybe it is just that some pinays are just really sweet and innocent........[/QUOTE]Those who are not sweet and innocent are the ones who have had more exposure to Westerners.

I picked up a freelancer from G-Point last night. Nice looking lady with a decent sized rack for a Filipina. Unfortunately, as is far too often the case, when we reached my hotel room she transformed from fun-loving miss yes-yes to shy, demure miss no-no-no. After a rather unsatisfying session I sent her on her way with 1500 pesos.

Hi,

I will be in Manila next week and have the option to stay either at Marriott (Pasay) or in Shangri-la. Which one is better to suit monger hunt. Are Pasay girls expensive. My understanding is I can get between 2000 to 4000 near Shangri-la. Appreciate insights.

SI.

[QUOTE=Si6798;2208410]I will be in Manila next week and have the option to stay either at Marriott (Pasay) or in Shangri-la. Which one is better to suit monger hunt. Are Pasay girls expensive. My understanding is I can get between 2000 to 4000 near Shangri-la. Appreciate insights.[/QUOTE]What Pasay girls? Are you talking about EDSA complex? But if you are staying at ShangriLa, I think the last thing you would be worried about is the price of a chick. I stay at the Marriott sometimes and it is really nice and never a problem bringing anyone in.

During a visit to Robinsons in Malate I was approached by a girl standing by the escalator inside the main entrance. We quickly agreed 1500 for short time and were on our way back to my hotel. She was 21 years old, looked nice (at least to me, but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder) with some of the biggest dumplings I have ever fondled in the Philippines. She had a scar on her tummy (Caesarean? But she provided to my fullest enjoyment in bed and was well worth the time and expenditure. She also mentioned that she had friends she could hook me up with if I wanted more specialist services, like anal.

[QUOTE=ElTed;2208766]During a visit to Robinsons in Malate I was approached by a girl standing by the escalator inside the main entrance. We quickly agreed 1500 for short time and were on our way back to my hotel. She was 21 years old, looked nice (at least to me, but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder) with some of the biggest dumplings I have ever fondled in the Philippines. She had a scar on her tummy (Caesarean? But she provided to my fullest enjoyment in bed and was well worth the time and expenditure. She also mentioned that she had friends she could hook me up with if I wanted more specialist services, like anal.[/QUOTE]At risk of nit-picking, Robinson's is actually in Ermita. Pedro Gil is the dividing line between Ermita and Malate. Nice to get a positive report about a Robinsons' Place pickup. Although not necessarily the rule, sometimes the girls in Robinsons' and on the streets in Ermita are there because they've been kicked out of the typical freelancer bars like LAC and G-Point. The fact that she proved trustworthy and gave a good performance may mean that others she would refer you to are also trustworthy. For better and for worse, "birds of a feather flock together. " Put her cell number in safe keeping.

I was there today and there are certainly more gals hanging about the escalator (on the P. Gil side) than I have ever seen before. About eight and then a few more outside. I didn't see any that interested me.

There were some cute ones in LA Cafe about 4:30 pm yesterday (Monday). I was too jet-lagged to make any effort.

I was up early this morning and noticed groups of good looking gals (some apparently intoxicated) moving out of the Malate area 5-7 am. I guess they are getting off work from the East Asian oriented clubs that are in that area.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2209645]At risk of nit-picking, Robinson's is actually in Ermita. Pedro Gil is the dividing line between Ermita and Malate. Nice to get a positive report about a Robinsons' Place pickup. Although not necessarily the rule, sometimes the girls in Robinsons' and on the streets in Ermita are there because they've been kicked out of the typical freelancer bars like LAC and G-Point. The fact that she proved trustworthy and gave a good performance may mean that others she would refer you to are also trustworthy. For better and for worse, "birds of a feather flock together. " Put her cell number in safe keeping.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Anyone in Manila now? I just landed here, staying at the Pan Pacific on Adriatico, feeling too lazy to go out and hunt alone. If any fellow monger is in town, please message me, so that we can meet up for a few beers. Else I will have to order room service from Manila Courtesans.

Cheers,

K.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2209645]At risk of nit-picking, Robinson's is actually in Ermita. Pedro Gil is the dividing line between Ermita and Malate.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I had never understood the difference.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2209645]Although not necessarily the rule, sometimes the girls in Robinsons' and on the streets in Ermita are there because they've been kicked out of the typical freelancer bars like LAC and G-Point. [/QUOTE]Kicked out for what? As many times as I have been in those places, I have never seen anyone making problems.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2209794]Thanks. I had never understood the difference.

Kicked out for what? As many times as I have been in those places, I have never seen anyone making problems.[/QUOTE]For causing trouble with a gent outside the bar (had a case recently myself).

Also last August one of my LAC regulars (fox who has graced the PG several times) was there one afternoon when I walked in (she can be a handful). She seemed high when I stopped to chat her. I said I would txt her tomorrow for a ST. I took up a barstool and was chatting an older fleabag and noticed the high girl nodding off at her table. A moment later a pinoy walked in, walked over to her, and hauled off and slugged her hard in the face. She went flying down to the floor. Several mongers jumped between him and the girl. The pinoy walked out. She got up off the floor, explaining that he is her pinoy boyfriend. Little comfort, the management showed her to the door and told her not to come back. The next day she txt asking for an afternoon stint. Once in the room she confirmed that she was now blacklisted from LAC.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2209822]For causing trouble with a gent outside the bar (had a case recently myself).

Also last August one of my LAC regulars (fox who has graced the PG several times) was there one afternoon when I walked in (she can be a handful). She seemed high when I stopped to chat her. I said I would txt her tomorrow for a ST. I took up a barstool and was chatting an older fleabag and noticed the high girl nodding off at her table. A moment later a pinoy walked in, walked over to her, and hauled off and slugged her hard in the face. She went flying down to the floor. Several mongers jumped between him and the girl. The pinoy walked out. She got up off the floor, explaining that he is her pinoy boyfriend. Little comfort, the management showed her to the door and told her not to come back. The next day she txt asking for an afternoon stint. Once in the room she confirmed that she was now blacklisted from LAC.[/QUOTE]She got the classic sweet Pinoy love tap. The mongers who jumped in between her and Pinoy Sean Penn have short memories, as that usually does not end well for foreigners. It would suck to have a mongering excursion cut short due to taking a bullet or blade in the guts for a hooker high on shabu. A wiser move for Pinoy boyfriend and Pinay hooker disputes is letting management handle it, and ordering another cold beer as West Coast did.

Bought water at the 7-11 across from the Pan Pacific yesterday. Also had a nice "Landlord" breakfast at the Cafe Adriatico yesterday morning. One of the security guards at PP said "good morning" as I walked by. How do you suggest we meet up?

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2209776]Hi,

Anyone in Manila now? I just landed here, staying at the Pan Pacific on Adriatico, feeling too lazy to go out and hunt alone. If any fellow monger is in town, please message me, so that we can meet up for a few beers. Else I will have to order room service from Manila Courtesans.

Cheers,

K.[/QUOTE]

I stopped by LA yesterday at 3 pm. Compared to the previous day, there were more guys and far fewer women of acceptable standards. One guy had a bucket of five beers in front of him. I thought he was sharing with someone, but apparently not. I'll call him "bucket guy".

I left, grabbed something to eat, hit the mall, bought some shoes, visited an optometrist, changed some money, took a rest in the room. I went back to LA cafe about 5:30 pm and things had certainly improved. The first thing I noticed was bucket guy staggering out the door alone.

I found a seat at the bar next to "Blondie". Blondie looked good but she was busy with her phone, which I later found out was a Samsung 8. Eventually two gals came up on either side of me. I really don't like the feel of being surrounded. I was slightly more relaxed when they said they were friends. One was cute and had a nice smile. I'll call her "Cutey", her friend "Sidekick". Sidekick was now standing between me and Blondie.

When I glanced at the menu Cutey suggested I get something to eat and then later I could eat some pussy. When I feigned shock she quickly added, "just kidding". At some point a threesome was suggested. I replied, "One is enough."

Suddenly, "Sidekick" got all excited and ran away. Apparently, a regular of hers had shown up. Her departure means Blondie with the Samsung is sitting to my right and Cutey to my left. Cutey is late 20's, has a quick smile, likes to joke, and is quite petite, shows very nice cleavage and has no obvious gut. When I ask for a fee, she suggests 2 k. I inquire, "Is that for one week?" She laughs and I'm all in. She needs to get her phone and I need to finish my beer so we agree to meet outside in eight minutes. Cutey departs.

Unexpectedly, Blondie starts up a conversation. I wonder if she is oblivious to what has just transpired next to her? Or maybe she wants the challenge of stealing me from a competitor? We chat, I get her number, and excuse myself.

I wait at the opposite corner and when Cutey comes out I congratulate myself on a very wise choice. She looks great. She's probably five foot tall, with her two-inch heels. We eat at Shwarma and then walk to my room. She's holding my arm or hand the whole time.

We shower together and after a cuddle she asks permission to orally lubricate the X Man's sweet spot. And once she got that out of the way, she asked for me to return the favor. The view in 69 was pretty good, although her love hole looked too small for what I had in mind later. Well, good things come in small packages!

We were supposed to end with CIM, but in all the excitement I also decorated her hair, her cheek, and her neck. Complete GFE from beginning to end. She seemed pleased when I gave her 2. 5 k.

Waiting for the elevator I told her there was something on her cheek. I gave it a little swipe with my finger. She looked at me with questioning eyes. I said, "Nothing, just a little dried cum. " She stiffened up and her eyes got big. And then I said, "just kidding".

Hello everyone!

After deliberating on the various options for the night, I finally pulled on my socks and took the long walk to LA cafe (650 mtrs. As per the GPS) at around 9:00 PM. Ground floor was fairly busy, but managed to get a table at the back, ordered some Mongolian Beef Noodles (surprisingly good) and a couple of beers. By this time I had been approached by ladies of all shapes and sizes, and some lady (boyz). Anyway politely smiled and wished them well, saying that I am hungry and need to eat something, to which one rather cheeky lady says "you eat my pussy baby".

Post dinner, I started the hunt, moved to the upper floor with the live band and positioned myself at the space between the room with the pool table and the seating area in front of the band. A few minutes later felt someone nudging me gently. A fairly attractive but slightly plump lady gave me a poke in the tummy and a nice smile. I guess Jollie Bee has caused a weight gain endemic in Manila. So the lady wanted me to take her to my room, said she was a single mom, about 32 yrs old, which was good for me. I am not really into 20-25 yr olds as they are about the same age as my daughter. So I prefer the older ones. So we order a couple of beers and get down to serious business negotiations. I told her that under the WTO agreements she can not put up unfair entry barriers to my attempts to export my goods into her. This was followed by discussion on payment terms (advance versus COD) and logistics (sea freight, it was raining and the streets were flooded, or other modes of transport). Finally the parties came to a mutually agreeable agreement of Peso 2000 for 3 hrs plus additional top ups to cover good service.

Back to the room, shower (together), followed by a drink of duty free whisky. Now she started giving me a nice BBBJ, good licking of the balls, borderline rimming, with occasional flick of the tongue to that area while licking the balls, then she moved north and gave my nipples a nice suck. I was fairly into it by now, so pulled on a raincoat for my soldier and prepared for the final assault. Started in doggy, then mish, then cowgirl, and finally deep pounding missionary with her feet thrown over my shoulders. Had a nice explosion after about 10 minutes. Cleaned up and washed up. Now the lady says she is hungry and wants to smoke. So went down to the 7-11 nearby to buy her cigarettes, she wanted to come back to the room and smoke. I declined as its a non smoking room. Anyway, I had kida decided I don't want a girl smelling of cigarette smoke sleeping next to me. So decided to call it a day. Paid her the agreed upon 2000, plus another 300 for her dinner and taxi money. Came back and slept like a log, not having to worry about stuff going missing.

Moving to a serviced apartment near Amorsolo street as I have a whole bunch of senior colleagues here at the Pan Pacific, can't ruin my career being seen with a lady. My excuse for moving is that the serviced apartment is closer to work and next 2 nights I have to work till late. Yes its true, I will be working till late at LA Cafe.

Just saw a PM for X-Man. Thank you for reaching out. Lets try and catch up tonight.

Cheers.

K.

[QUOTE=XMan;2209950]Bought water at the 7-11 across from the Pan Pacific yesterday. Also had a nice "Landlord" breakfast at the Cafe Adriatico yesterday morning. One of the security guards at PP said "good morning" as I walked by. How do you suggest we meet up?[/QUOTE]Hi X-Man,

I have messaged you my Manila phone number, just drop me a message. I am free before 1:00 and then after 8:00 PM.

IMHO, as I get much older, better if the gents remained in their seats and let the domestic / lovers tiff work itself out. Let the local staff take care of it. Would attract less attention and she would probably not be blacklisted from her livelihood. That would only make her situation worse. Have an outstanding friend who would and have come to the rescue of damsels in distress. Irony is that he beats up his own wife in private.

So, if it is an expat, I would defuse and invite him to the other side of the bar for a drink. A local is harder to judge as he might already hate me for taking liberties with his girl.

About a year ago, a group of bouncers threw an guy down and out inches from me. Funny thing is I ducked for the walls to avoid the flying limbs and bodies. The girls kept dancing and the music kept playing. I knew one of the bouncers but he would not tell me why the guy was thrown out.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2209822]A moment later a pinoy walked in, walked over to her, and hauled off and slugged her hard in the face. She went flying down to the floor. Several mongers jumped between him and the girl. The pinoy walked out. She got up off the floor, explaining that he is her pinoy boyfriend. Little comfort, the management showed her to the door and told her not to come back. The next day she txt asking for an afternoon stint. Once in the room she confirmed that she was now blacklisted from LAC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2209822]Little comfort, the management showed her to the door and told her not to come back. The next day she txt asking for an afternoon stint. Once in the room she confirmed that she was now blacklisted from LAC.[/QUOTE]I've been sitting near the door when a woman starts to enter, and security grabs her and turns her away. Girls sitting nearby explained that they knew her and she'd been banned from the bar. Drunk and high women do some rowdy things, and LAC management doesn't want problems. Police are sometimes called, and management definitely doesn't want problems with the authorities. It was about eight or so years ago that Mayor Lim shut down LAC for several months. It returned under a different name, "Manila Bay Cafe," and then eventually reverted back to the original name.

You would think that evictions also hold for men who cause trouble, but perhaps the women are more permanent and recognizable fixtures, and their identities are easier to trace through the bamboo grapevine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2209794]Kicked out for what? As many times as I have been in those places, I have never seen anyone making problems.[/QUOTE]I have seen problems on several visits to LAC. Last time in Manila in April, I stopped in one night for a few hours. Some sort of a fight broke out near the pool tables in the back, and the fight apparently got shoved outside. The police showed up and started questioning people, even going inside to pull people outside to interview. Rumor spread through the women that it involved an unpaid pool bet. I left about 90 minutes later and the police were still outside talking to people.

Perhaps I just have an acerbic affect that rubs off on others around me; so I'm sort of a disease carrier, although I don't get in fights myself. You, on the other hand, probably have a calming effect that mellows out others around you. Hence, no problems when you're there. LAC management should welcome you with open arms.

Hi all -.

Looking forward to my trip to MNL in a few weeks. I have been looking around and it seems there are very few girls that are into greek. It seems like Thailand, where I live, and most girls just aren't interested. But it's not hard to find those who are! In Manila, however, I'm really not finding any that advertise greek availability. I'm continuing my hunt for a kinky gal! Anyone have any tips?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2210218]Hi all -.

Looking forward to my trip to MNL in a few weeks. I have been looking around and it seems there are very few girls that are into greek. It seems like Thailand, where I live, and most girls just aren't interested. But it's not hard to find those who are! In Manila, however, I'm really not finding any that advertise greek availability. I'm continuing my hunt for a kinky gal! Anyone have any tips?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Option 1: ask more girls until you come across one who offers what you want. Go with the girls that are openly on the game with revealing profiles, contact details etc. If your preferences get knocked back, don't be afraid to ask if she has a friend who is a provider. All girls have friends in the same line of work who have different skills.

Option 2: make your preferences known with out insisting prior to the first session. Many girls are far more willing on a second date when they have tested the water and know your not going to slam away and cause damage / pain.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2209970]Moving to a serviced apartment near Amorsolo street as I have a whole bunch of senior colleagues here at the Pan Pacific, can't ruin my career being seen with a lady. My excuse for moving is that the serviced apartment is closer to work and next 2 nights I have to work till late. Yes its true, I will be working till late at LA Cafe..[/QUOTE]This is going to be funny when all of the senior people walk I and see you too. They've been waiting for you to get out of the way so they can get some girls.

Hi,

I will be in Manila next week and would be great to have a company to hang around. If anyone interested please PM me. SI.

That's helpful. Planning to stay at Makati diamond considering accessibility to many things.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2208535]What Pasay girls? Are you talking about EDSA complex? But if you are staying at ShangriLa, I think the last thing you would be worried about is the price of a chick. I stay at the Marriott sometimes and it is really nice and never a problem bringing anyone in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2210387]This is going to be funny when all of the senior people walk I and see you too. [/QUOTE]The junior people are often more deadly. They have more boring jobs, so catching the bosses' peccadilloes is great fun, and since they have more time on their hands, they are much more productive in the rumor mills.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2210387]This is going to be funny when all of the senior people walk I and see you too. They've been waiting for you to get out of the way so they can get some girls.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't know why people don't get that.

The other day my buddy sent me a joke ad talking about a threesome/trio. It starts off so that you think it is sexual, but ends up being really musical in nature. So I am sending chicks messages about having a trio and seeing the responses that I get then I send them the ad and they laugh.

Then I got to this one chick that I fucked in the Dominican Republic two weeks ago and she said sure I know two girls and sent me their pictures and said I would have to pay one of the other girls though. I asked her how much they want. She said the girl wants $60. I said that is too much. Then she said the girl said she does not accept less than $40. Today she sent me pics of her and one of the other girls naked and cuddled up tongue kissing. Needless to say I never sent the joke ad to her.

The point is that while you are trying to look like the innocent guy, there are people right next to you that you do not suspect, that are into some of the same stuff you are into. I guarantee that if he was to invite his coworkers out to EDSA complex or something like that, when they got there they would be the first to say I wonder how much it would cost to get one of these girls.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2209970]Moving to a serviced apartment near Amorsolo street as I have a whole bunch of senior colleagues here at the Pan Pacific, can't ruin my career being seen with a lady. My excuse for moving is that the serviced apartment is closer to work and next 2 nights I have to work till late. Yes its true, I will be working till late at LA Cafe.[/QUOTE]Unless your career involves preaching against the excesses of moral turpitude and demon lust, I cannot imagine why being seen in the company of a nice Filipina young lady would ruin your career. Even then, you can tell your fellow missionaries that you were simply ministering to a Magdalena in the missionary position, and restrained your more wicked instincts to have her ride you like the Great Babylon. LOL!

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2209970] I told her that under the WTO agreements she can not put up unfair entry barriers to my attempts to export my goods into her. This was followed by discussion on payment terms (advance versus COD) and logistics (sea freight, it was raining and the streets were flooded, or other modes of transport). Finally the parties came to a mutually agreeable agreement of Peso 2000 for 3 hrs plus additional top ups to cover good service.[/QUOTE]You are lucky that negotiations did not lead to ratification of a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), as happened to newcomers to the Southeast Asian markets recently. Otherwise, you may have found that your barriers to entry were circumvented and raw meat products imported into your territory via back channels.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2210730]Unless your career involves preaching against the excesses of moral turpitude and demon lust, I cannot imagine why being seen in the company of a nice Filipina young lady would ruin your career.......![/QUOTE]If you are working on a USAID contract, it is a standard clause that any employee of the contractor who engages in pay for sex can be removed from the project and or the main contract canceled. This does not only apply in the host country but world wide.

I worked in Afghanistan on several USAID contracts and people were fired for having pay for play in Dubai because of this clause. The contractor did not want to risk losing the contract so would always take swift action against anyone that they found out was engaging in p4p.

Hopefully, they apply that policy based on more than just having seen an employee in the company of a nice lady. Koliflaver may be an extremely handsome young man who gets many freebies in Manila. LOL! If he is meeting nice ladies in their late 20's and early 30's from upscale clubs or dating sites, he can actually enjoy non-paid company. The fired-on-sight policy implies that all the women consorting with foreigners are prostitutes. Unless his boss and / or colleagues intercept his lady companions and verify that Koliflaver paid them for fuck, the organization risks firing him based on many assumptions.

It would be interesting to see how HR determines what is paid for fuck activity, as taking a local lady out for dinner and drinks is technically compensation for company and fuck, if the evenings activities progress into the bedroom. Of course, if the policy states that employees are not to fraternize socially with local ladies, then that is a much wider net and Koliflaver may be in jeopardy. In that case, he may want to reconsider his nocturnal trade negotiations while on his junkets to Manila and elsewhere. That is assuming he values his severely sexually constrained career more than his favorite hobby. LOL!

Anyway, that is good information for mongers seeking employment in certain regions specifically for the access to fleshpots. They may want to consider their potential employers' policies on their hobby.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2210730]Unless your career involves preaching against the excesses of moral turpitude and demon lust, I cannot imagine why being seen in the company of a nice Filipina young lady would ruin your career.[/QUOTE]You can even remove that caveat. Many of the Church's finest have preached against sins of the flesh while dabbling themselves only to be protected by their employer when found out. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2210984]You can even remove that caveat. Many of the Church's finest have preached against sins of the flesh while dabbling themselves only to be protected by their employer when found out. 😁.[/QUOTE]


But only if they are fucking kids.

Seriously there are lots of employers out there that would take a very dim view of anything that openly violated their sense of morality, even if they fantasize about doing it themselves or actually do it themselves.

In this hobby a significant measure of discretion is always necessary, unless you have nothing to lose. I'm retired and single so not as worried as many here should be but even so I am always careful and private about my activities. Two of my closest friends were also mongers for years and all three of us did not realize it for a long time. So far these are just about the only people, other than the ladies of course, outside of a couple of meetings from this and similar forums that know about my hobby.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2210991]But only if they are fucking kids.

Seriously there are lots of employers out there that would take a very dim view of anything that openly violated their sense of morality, even if they fantasize about doing it themselves or actually do it themselves.

In this hobby a significant measure of discretion is always necessary, unless you have nothing to lose. I'm retired and single so not as worried as many here should be but even so I am always careful and private about my activities. Two of my closest friends were also mongers for years and all three of us did not realize it for a long time. So far these are just about the only people, other than the ladies of course, outside of a couple of meetings from this and similar forums that know about my hobby.[/QUOTE]Might I add especially if you have female superiors or even female associates. Female assistants can even sabotage your work.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2210999]Might I add especially if you have female superiors or even female associates. Female assistants can even sabotage your work.[/QUOTE]You are so right there DG. As a good example of never crapping on your own doorstep is a good friend and monger who did just that.

He was getting regularly BBBJ in the office toilets from one of his staff plus more after work. She then boasted to the pinays in the office she was 'special'. My advice to him when he told he had heard the 'chismis' was sack her and pay her off ASAP. His little brain did the thinking (as he said he had spoken to her very harshly on the matter LOL. Likely while have a BBBJ!) and then his wife's PA told him one to terminate the girl or she would divorce him!. There were other conditions as well all of which meant all pinays lost their jobs elsewhere in his business and the mess it created for him was horrible. Even now his wife checks his passport etc.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2210999]Might I add especially if you have female superiors or even female associates. Female assistants can even sabotage your work.[/QUOTE]I have taken female superiors to Tijuana. I take them to the clubs there. On more than one occasion we have gotten a chick for a 3 some. And one time Tomjackin of the Tijuana forum was in Hong Kong Club on his birthday and he insisted on buying all the drinks and went with us around to other clubs. That night in the trolley on the way back to San Diego people thought that I had drugged her because she was passed out sleep. Even the police came. I said no we just had a long day at work followed by a long evening in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2210991]Seriously there are lots of employers out there that would take a very dim view of anything that openly violated their sense of morality, even if they fantasize about doing it themselves or actually do it themselves.[/QUOTE]This is understandable as there are many risks to the expat Boss to be seen as openly supporting an employee's Hobby regardless of if he partakes of not.

Internally, he cannot be seen by his wife or superiors to provide support or shelter to anyone caught. To do so would risk his own position and / or marriage.

Externally, no business unit wants to appear in the press and be seen as morally corrupt. Reputational and contractual damage is just not worth it.

That's why today the Hobby is very widely practiced by resident expat workers but those that are too visible generally find themselves back home fairly quickly.

"Back in the day" it was open and no one cared but that's a whole other post. 😁.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2211030]I have taken female superiors to Tijuana. I take them to the clubs there. On more than one occasion we have gotten a chick for a 3 some. And one time Tomjackin of the Tijuana forum was in Hong Kong Club on his birthday and he insisted on buying all the drinks and went with us around to other clubs. That night in the trolley on the way back to San Diego people thought that I had drugged her because she was passed out sleep. Even the police came. I said no we just had a long day at work followed by a long evening in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]And how have they advanced up the corporate ladder? Maybe fast food superiors couldn't give a damn. Professionals certainly do care about the image they project. Heck, I would never let my staff know that I snuck out for a few hours for some pnp breaks.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2211004]You are so right there DG. As a good example of never crapping on your own doorstep is a good friend and monger who did just that[/QUOTE]New guy arrives in town. Big time rig boss on '000's per day contracting rates. He's spent the last 30 years bouncing from shit hole to shit hole all over the world. Cash to burn and worth 8. 7 gazillion dollars.

Soon after a pretty admin clerk is riding the gravy train with pretty dresses and big jewellery. Of course the jungle drums beat and mum gets word.

She's had enough. He's always away so she manages the finances. Everything is transferred into her name and a divorce lawyer to the stars is retained.

He thinks it sucks but he still has day rate cash rolling in so the fun goes on.

Unfortunately the Supply Chain Manager's wife is mum's good friend and provides a good shoulder to cry on. She asks hubby "are all the married guys doing this? "does the company support this?" and finally "lets discuss your golf trips in Thailand".

The next day a HR analysis determines that contract rig bosses are no longer required and can be internally sourced.

Bye bye to our guy but no worries girlie still loves him madly and all will be good, yes?

With no access to cash from home and the mega bucks from work stopped, girlie waits 8 seconds before bolting for the next sucker.

Going from the new high flying big dick in town to no family, no money, no girl friend took about 2 weeks. He was last seen nursing the one beer a night he could afford and complaining to anyone who would listen.

Moral of the story: stay below the radar and never shit in your own back yard.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2211079]New guy arrives in town. Big time rig boss on '000's per day contracting rates. He's spent the last 30 years bouncing from shit hole to shit hole all over the world. Cash to burn and worth 8. 7 gazillion dollars.

Soon after a pretty admin clerk is riding the gravy train with pretty dresses and big jewellery. Of course the jungle drums beat and mum gets word.

She's had enough. He's always away so she manages the finances. Everything is transferred into her name and a divorce lawyer to the stars is retained.

He thinks it sucks but he still has day rate cash rolling in so the fun goes on.

Unfortunately the Supply Chain Manager's wife is mum's good friend and provides a good shoulder to cry on. She asks hubby "are all the married guys doing this? "does the company support this?" and finally "lets discuss your golf trips in Thailand".[/QUOTE]Not uncommon for people to have a brain fade when the cojones take precedence over their brains.

So many expat monger horror stories here! Two common issues arise in most of them. The first issue is that the monger married, handed his balls, and more importantly his finances over to a shrewish wife. In doing so, the monger failed to maintain separate and secret cash reserves out of the reach of his controlling shrew. Hence, he left himself extremely vulnerable to the stiff sanctions of divorce or extortion by threat of divorce actions. LOL!

The second common mistake is that the monger decided to get marvelous BBBJCIM from his employees or coworkers opening himself up to legal liability and worse. There are natural consequences to shitting in one's nest. LOL!

The lesson is never get married, and do not fuck employees and / or coworkers. Keep your favorite hobby and work separate. Office romance and BBBJCIM in the toilet stalls at work may be thrilling but ultimately not worth the cost. LOL!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2211212]The lesson is never get married, and do not fuck employees and / or coworkers. Keep your favorite hobby and work separate. Office romance and BBBJCIM in the toilet stalls at work may be thrilling but ultimately not worth the cost. LOL![/QUOTE]Dude,

Your wasting your time and words! When has a man listened to logic and not his caaaack! The hot piece of ass is too tempting, but we want no other dick in our discovery, so we put a ring on it with the assumption she won't fuck behind our back. Even worse, OMG I can't stop laffing, we assume she won't know when our dick is in another pussy! HAHAHA! Don't we know the entire female race is just waiting for you to spread your DNA! Men are stupid, and these girls know it!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2210999]Might I add especially if you have female superiors or even female associates. Female assistants can even sabotage your work.[/QUOTE]So true.

I worked for a female owned construction company. I was a senior staff member, one of a small number reporting to the boss / owner directly.

I was 60 at the time and banging an 18 year old from SA. At a company function a 50 year old employee walked in with a girl about 25 on his arm. The boss lady carried on for a while that the guy was a fucking pervert and several other names that are codeword here because of a 25 year old age difference. I never told her about my 42 year old age difference. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2211079]......

Moral of the story: stay below the radar and never shit in your own back yard.[/QUOTE]So true.

Another story from same company with female owner / boss.

I had an extremely hot 29 year old admin assistant. It was obvious, in retrospect, from the day I was that for my interviews that she was attracted to me, I initially just attributed her attitude towards me to her personality. However after I started working there it was obvious that she was definitely interested. She would wear somewhat reveling clothing, tits showing when she leaned a certain way, you all know the signs. She would make excuses to come into my office with some papers to sign and make sure I got an eyeful. Several eyefuls in fact.

At the company Christmas party we danced and she was rubbing against me in a way not at all appropriate for a 29 year old support staff and a senior manager to behave.

I resisted taking any actions while I was still at the company. Shortly after I left I needed a notarized document and since she was also a notary (needed in construction all the time so common for a support person to become one) I called her and asked if she would sign it for me. I offered to go to her end of town and meet in a coffee shop there but she insisted that she come to my place.

Leaving out the details, we had fun getting the document signed, took all night too. LOL.

However I would never have taken any action while she was a subordinate staff member to me at a place of employment. Under Canadian and many other countries laws, it is impossible for consent to be freely given in these circumstances. Even if it was, all she would have to have done was change her mind and she could state that she felt duress in giving consent. We see lots of the potential for this in the meetoo movement and those posts.

Bottom line only a fool would ever take the risk of fucking an employee or someone who you have any power or authority over in any way, the risks professionally are too high, the risks criminally are also too high, even if you did not do anything wrong, you will in the end be guilty just based on the fact that you MAY have abused your authority to gain sexual favours.

Hobby is hobby.

Work is work.

Work pays for hobby.

It is that simple and should always be kept strictly separate.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2211414] At a company function a 50 year old employee walked in with a girl about 25 on his arm.[/QUOTE]You are totally correct from a western boss' perspective.

The Asian perspective of this was explained to me by a senior local exec:

Walk in to a company function with a hooker on your arm and you look like a dick for the reason mentioned above, regardless of the boss' gender.

However, you are also indirectly sending a message that you regard all Asian women present as hookers as well. These are likely to include the boss' wife, government dignatories, female workmates, the list goes on.

No wonder you will be treated like a lepper and miss out on a contract renewal.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2211339]Dude,

Your wasting your time and words! When has a man listened to logic and not his caaaack! The hot piece of ass is too tempting, but we want no other dick in our discovery, so we put a ring on it with the assumption she won't fuck behind our back. Even worse, OMG I can't stop laffing, we assume she won't know when our dick is in another pussy! HAHAHA! Don't we know the entire female race is just waiting for you to spread your DNA! Men are stupid, and these girls know it![/QUOTE]Well, it is true that a man's cock is his boss! There is no escaping that without therapy to reduce testosterone levels. Eating a 100% vegan diet high in soy seems to help. LOL!

Men are socialized to believe that women are naturally faithful, and will not let other men fuck and inseminate them once married. Without belief in female fidelity, marriage offers no benefit to men. Since men must rely on their mothers for care and survival during infancy, they naturally develop trust for women until experiences later in life teaches them otherwise. LOL!

Women tell men that true love is forever, and men believe it. However, science shows that true love lasts for 12 months. Then the chemicals responsible for the feelings fade away. Yet, men plan lifetimes with women they fall in love with, and invest accordingly. LOL! Men are capable of rational thought but they seldom apply it when it comes to decisions involving women and sex.

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-369917/True-love-lasts-year.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2211440]So true.

Hobby is hobby.

Work is work.

Work pays for hobby.

It is that simple and should always be kept strictly separate.[/QUOTE]It's a bit like the constantly reoccurring question "should I fuck my maid?

Seeing how this is my first trip to the phils I wanted to insure a fruitful stay so I began tenderizing pinays on DIA a couple of months out. Probably more time than really needed but I was anxious. One girl 37 years old with profile that said slim. I chatted with her for a month or so and she was so excited to be having a date with a poriner. Well sometime between my original chat to her her profile changed to some extra weight. I missed that change. She came today to my hotel in Quezon city and OMG had more than a little extra, I would call her almost fat but cute. Anyway being the gentleman I stayed on task and fucked her, we went to mall had lunch back to room fucked again and goodbyes given and generous pisos. Okay so far, then she starts texting me and calling me for I love you, don't you like me, etc. Well I really don't want to see her again (prefer slim girls) so I told her I am leaving town and wished her a good day. This did not deter her. She texted me 10 times in 30 minutes and called 3 times. I ignored all calls and texts after I had explained I was leaving town. After my patience was gone I blocked her on the phone. Just have to be more careful to avoid any emotional entanglements in the future by being very clear upfront. This is one of the hazards of using dating sites. Many of these girls are not giving up with a one night stand. Might be better and easier to just use dial a companion in the future, however for this trip I have 10 more beautiful DIA pinays to see before leaving.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2211451]You are totally correct from a western boss' perspective.

The Asian perspective of this was explained to me by a senior local exec:

Walk in to a company function with a hooker on your arm and you look like a dick for the reason mentioned above, regardless of the boss' gender.

However, you are also indirectly sending a message that you regard all Asian women present as hookers as well. These are likely to include the boss' wife, government dignatories, female workmates, the list goes on.

No wonder you will be treated like a lepper and miss out on a contract renewal.[/QUOTE]Well, Asian companies prefer that golfers keep their 19th hole golfing activities on the green, and refrain from taking the caddy to other company functions. It is not so much that they are against doing business with golfing enthusiasts as it is about duffers showing the ability to recognize what is appropriate or not. Showing up unaccompanied at the company function, drinking too much alcohol, and then trying to practice your stroke on the wives of the executives present is not going to win expat mongers any contract renewals either. LOL! Asian businessmen know exactly what you think of their women and what you want to do to them. They can see the lecherous looks, and the lingering handshakes with women at the function. If they are screwing you hard on the contract, you are likely to get renewal as long as you do not invite their wives for an after-party threesome at the nearest Sogo. LOL!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2211478]It's a bit like the constantly reoccurring question "should I fuck my maid?[/QUOTE]Fucking the maid is even worse.

Not only will you have the employment harassment and consent issues but a good fuck is much easier to find than a good maid.

You fuck the maid and she wants to be the GF and you will have to find another maid. The new GF / ex maid knows of your past girls and will never let you forget it.

Bottom line, DO NOT FUCK THE MAID BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2211516]Seeing how this is my first trip to the phils I wanted to insure a fruitful stay so I began tenderizing pinays on DIA a couple of months out. Probably more time than really needed but I was anxious. One girl 37 years old with profile that said slim. I chatted with her for a month or so and she was so excited to be having a date with a poriner. Well sometime between my original chat to her her profile changed to some extra weight. I missed that change. She came today to my hotel in Quezon city and OMG had more than a little extra, I would call her almost fat but cute. Anyway being the gentleman I stayed on task and fucked her, we went to mall had lunch back to room fucked again and goodbyes given and generous pisos. Okay so far, then she starts texting me and calling me for I love you, don't you like me, etc. Well I really don't want to see her again (prefer slim girls) so I told her I am leaving town and wished her a good day. This did not deter her. She texted me 10 times in 30 minutes and called 3 times. I ignored all calls and texts after I had explained I was leaving town. After my patience was gone I blocked her on the phone. Just have to be more careful to avoid any emotional entanglements in the future by being very clear upfront. This is one of the hazards of using dating sites. Many of these girls are not giving up with a one night stand. Might be better and easier to just use dial a companion in the future, however for this trip I have 10 more beautiful DIA pinays to see before leaving.[/QUOTE]She took the generous pisos as compensation for the multiple insemination you rendered to her middle-aged snatch, meaning she was prostie. That means that the only emotional entanglements she had involved the departure of the large bundle of your remaining pisos. Her Pinoy husband and kids were likely giving her hell for letting the poriner escape with most of his pisos. She knows that you are not leaving the country, and you are off fucking younger slimmer girls. Do not pay any mind to the drama and declarations of "love" after one-night stands. It is all just part of the game to tie you down and drain your cash. Do not think for a second that you were the only source of income she works on DIA. She likely does not get too many repeat customers, as fucking fat mamas appeals to a relatively small demographic of sex tourists. Just transfer load and ditch that sim card.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2211212]...The lesson is never get married, and do not fuck employees and / or coworkers. Keep your favorite hobby and work separate. Office romance and BBBJCIM in the toilet stalls at work may be thrilling but ultimately not worth the cost. LOL![/QUOTE]How true! Well said.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2211767]Fucking the maid is even worse.

Not only will you have the employment harassment and consent issues but a good fuck is much easier to find than a good maid.

You fuck the maid and she wants to be the GF and you will have to find another maid. The new GF / ex maid knows of your past girls and will never let you forget it.

Bottom line, DO NOT FUCK THE MAID BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE.[/QUOTE]Also if you have a partner of any sort make sure the maid is a fugly and / or old as sure as the sun shines a pretty one will be replaced ASAP. Happen to a German friend who was warned about it and said his wife would not mind LOL (she did and took all of 10 hours before the pretty one was replaced. Worse still was the old fugly took a fancy to him and would happily be naked in front of him when madam was not there LOL.

I have resisted the maid (pinay) and while it is hard (I mean to resist the temptation) plenty of examples / warning got into my head (on my shoulders) and I did not even when she offered it to me on plate! Bad move gents.

The only people I see getting away with playing around in the open are the French. Dsmn them. Lucky bastards. Age difference between partners are not as big a deal if the younger partner is professionally successful. However, that does not stop at least US wives from getting envious and spilling vile gossip.

FWIW, I always make sure the girl understands that this is only for fun. I pay to underscore the point. I am too old to play with others' emotions. With a girl, you can never win. You will always appear to be the bad guy if things go bad. I think some people had to move hotels to avoid the clingons.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2211516]This did not deter her. She texted me 10 times in 30 minutes and called 3 times.[/QUOTE].

Gentlemen, I am truly overwhelmed by the discussion on the ethics of Hobby punting vis-a-vis professionally appropriate behavior that my post has resulted into. Let me throw some light on my particular situation:

A lot has been said about an EXPAT's behavior in Asia. Let me clarify, I am 100% Asian, Indian ethnicity to be precise, so some of the assumptions do not hold true in my case.

As of the senior colleagues that I mentioned in my previous post, I have a very awkward relation with them. They are all in their late 50's and I am about 15 yrs younger than them, but soon I will be their boss (family owned business, they have been running it since inception, I just got pulled in). So its not as if I will lose my job (hell, I can fire them if I wish), but more out of respect of the people who helped my old man set up a successful business.

Furthermore, our family name is well known in business circles in India, so the last thing I wish to do is sully the goodwill.

Field reports will follow soon. Thanks for your patience friends.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2211911]A lot has been said about an EXPAT's behavior in Asia. Let me clarify, I am 100% Asian, Indian ethnicity to be precise, so some of the assumptions do not hold true in my case.

As of the senior colleagues that I mentioned in my previous post, I have a very awkward relation with them. They are all in their late 50's and I am about 15 yrs younger than them, but soon I will be their boss (family owned business, they have been running it since inception, I just got pulled in). So its not as if I will lose my job (hell, I can fire them if I wish), but more out of respect of the people who helped my old man set up a successful business.[/QUOTE]Just because you live in a South Asian culture, doesn't mean that's the only one that matters when you're in the Philippines. If your company has Filipino employees or if your abode has Filipino doormen or cleaning people, Filipino culture can influence your situation. Filipinos gossip readily, and they will not hesitate to talk to your co-workers behind your back.

Do not become over-confident about your status as an owner. If they have been there longer, they know the ropes better than you do. They could screw you over in ways that you will never observe. Employees often resent the owners, and so they typically have their own sub-culture and their own closed networks of work associates they trust. You are unlikely ever to become part of those, precisely because you have the power to fire them. Employees are not passive automatons. Do not underestimate them just because your father started the business. Also, they may feel a loyalty to your father and see your misbehavior as a form of disloyalty to him, and by extension, them.

You may have a rude awakening coming. See if you can get some of the old reruns of the British sitcom, **Yes, Minister. ** Consider the dynamics by which the civil servants maneuver around the Minister. This particular version is fiction, but these things happen in real life. Just contemplate how those dynamics might be transferred also into a family-run business.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2211812]Also if you have a partner of any sort make sure the maid is a fugly and / or old as sure as the sun shines a pretty one will be replaced ASAP. Happen to a German friend who was warned about it and said his wife would not mind LOL (she did and took all of 10 hours before the pretty one was replaced. Worse still was the old fugly took a fancy to him and would happily be naked in front of him when madam was not there LOL.

I have resisted the maid (pinay) and while it is hard (I mean to resist the temptation) plenty of examples / warning got into my head (on my shoulders) and I did not even when she offered it to me on plate! Bad move gents.[/QUOTE]Well, you have to love Pinay logic. Madam thinks her German husband will fuck the pretty servant in a hot minute, so she dismisses her. However, old ugly servant girls do not get much action and are far more likely to use their pussy to make a good impression on Master. She may not look like much but the ugly one may have a tight pussy and suck cock and balls like a Burmese python swallowing a goat. LOL! Once Master gets a taste of that sweet delicious ugly fruit, Madam may find herself in a very precarious position. Somehow, I doubt her self-esteem will take less of a blow upon discovering that her husband is cheating on her with an older uglier servant girl. LOL! At least, with the younger prettier servant, Madam can rationalize her husband's peccadillo away as the weakness of all mankind for youth and beauty. There will be no such comforting thoughts when she finds him balls deep and groaning in pure ecstasy on the bosom of some hideous old hag. LOL!

Reminds me of a reggae style hit song of the 1960's:

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life.

Make an ugly woman your wife.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2212255]Reminds me of a reggae style hit song of the 1960's:

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life.

Make an ugly woman your wife.[/QUOTE]Am. Comedian Robin Harris did a joke about that in the early 90's. He said you can tell an ugly woman anything.

Man: I'm going to the moon biiich, I will be back later.

Woman: Okay. Well you be careful then. You know I wouldn't want nothing to happen to you.

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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2211767]Bottom line, DO NOT FUCK THE MAID BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2211440]So true.

Hobby is hobby.

Work is work.

Work pays for hobby.[/QUOTE]Geez, you're no fun at all.

No sleeping with employees.

No sleeping with domestic help.

Next you will be saying it's bad to fuck the in-laws. . .

😁 😁 😉 😉 😁 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2212614]Geez, you're no fun at all.

No sleeping with employees.

No sleeping with domestic help.

Next you will be saying it's bad to fuck the in-laws. . .

😁 😁 😉 😉 😁 😁.[/QUOTE]You may be surprised at how many mongers married to Filipinas decide to taste the sister-in-law, mother-in-law, and most commonly the wife's cousins and aunts. There is even an online video with a Filipina talking about this, and the reasons many families accept it. She explained that many families see the foreign monger as a source of cash and an opportunity to leave the country. Therefore, they willingly feed him any family member he wishes to fuck to prevent him from indulging himself with unrelated women who will tap into his resources, and possibly curtail their access to his money.

This probably disappoints some mongers who would rather the in-laws try them due to the imagined desire to experience a foreign penis instead of the mere practical use of extended 19th hole privileges to retain them as high-paying members of the golf course. Anyone considering putting his balls into the sister-in-law's cup should know that the 19-hole green fee is substantial for such extended play.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2212029]Well, you have to love Pinay logic. Madam thinks her German husband will fuck the pretty servant in a hot minute, so she dismisses her. However, old ugly servant girls do not get much action and are far more likely to use their pussy to make a good impression on Master. She may not look like much but the ugly one may have a tight pussy and suck cock and balls like a Burmese python swallowing a goat. LOL! Once Master gets a taste of that sweet delicious ugly fruit, Madam may find herself in a very precarious position. Somehow, I doubt her self-esteem will take less of a blow upon discovering that her husband is cheating on her with an older uglier servant girl. LOL! At least, with the younger prettier servant, Madam can rationalize her husband's peccadillo away as the weakness of all mankind for youth and beauty. There will be no such comforting thoughts when she finds him balls deep and groaning in pure ecstasy on the bosom of some hideous old hag. LOL![/QUOTE]I believe this is exactly what happened with Arnold Schwarzenegger. His illegitimate child from the maid looks just like him too.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2212614]Geez, you're no fun at all.

No sleeping with employees.

No sleeping with domestic help.

Next you will be saying it's bad to fuck the in-laws. . .

😁 😁 😉 😉 😁 😁.[/QUOTE]Nope in laws are fair game, best to do them with the wife, A sister / sister / mother 4 some would be a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2212835]Nope in laws are fair game, best to do them with the wife, A sister / sister / mother 4 some would be a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]I would tend to agree.

Sisters are fun and had that many times (some bisexual also which adds to the fun).

Mom and daughters is another really lovely combo but need to tread carefully (and in my case make sure the mom is slim also LOL). Once did a 4 some KG as you suggested but mainly a threesome.

Apologies for the delay in posting, the below events happened on the night of 8th August:

After finishing up work, went to a fancy bar / tapas place called Rambla in an area called Rockwell, near the Power Plant mall. It was more of a "get to know the client better" kind of drinking session. I would definitely recommend the place to anyone looking for upmarket experience. By the time we finished there, it was fairly late and I was tired, so decided on a quick peek at LA Café before heading back.

Ground floor was full of old aunties, moved upstairs, where a funky looking girl caught my eye. She was wearing sneakers, shorts and a funky baseball cap. Odd attire for a nightclub, where all other women try to dress in a feminine way. Discussions on pricing followed, final agreement was 2000 plus performance bonus and transport allowance. Back to the pad, showered together, noticed some stretch marks / see-section mark and other maternity damage to the lower abdomen area, mildly off putting, but heck too late to change my mind. She sensed that I was not happy with what I saw, so she immediately turned into super sweet, good service mode. Made me lie down on the bed, gave a good massage for about 30 minutes, then started blowing me. After a few minutes of Oral action, she put a condom on me, and started cowgirl. Rode me for a few minutes, grinding her pussy at the base of my shaft. By now I was fully into it, so pulled her down and mounted her good ole missionary and pumped away to an explosive finish.

After the cleanup I was expecting her to leave, but she wanted to stay, at no extra cost. I would like to believe that it was my handsome looks, combined with awesome performance in bed that made her want to stay. But in reality it was probably the thought of spending a night in a comfortable bed with all the comforts versus stepping out into a rainy night, that might have made her decide to stay.

Woke up early morning and started rubbing my dick against her bum, surprise surprise, she wanted to do Anal!! Out came the condom, a heavy dollop of her saliva to lubricate things, and in went the soldier. Rammed her well and good with a glorious view of her nice round ass. Explosion.

GFE: 8. 5/10.

Looks: 6-7/10.

Performance: 9/10.

OK call me an idiot but on the third and last night I landed up at LA caf again. Hadn't been drinking before getting there so was relatively fresh. Saw my plump friend from the first night trying to sell her services to a group of Japanese (3 guys). Now me being me (basically incorrigible) wanted to play the spoilsport.

A bit of a history lesson here: Having lived in Japan from 1999 to 2005, I have a fair grasp of spoken nihongo (Japanese). So I was silently listening to what the 3 Japanese gentlemen were discussing, and could counter their moves and offers. Finally one of the older Japnese gents figured it out and looked at me and asked: "Sumimasen, Nihongo wkarimasu ka" (do you understand / speak Japanese) to which I replied "Nihongo wakaranai" (No I don't know Japanese), which basically blew the lid. From my pronunciation and reply they knew that I obviously had a fair grasp of Japanese. That's when the fun and games started. Let me tell you, once the Japanese warm up to you, they are the most fun and friendliest people.

So, to cut the long story short, it turned into a drinking poker (sort of). Each guy buys a round of drinks in turn, and we keep on drinking till the first person gives up. The punishment of giving up first is paying the ladies base price of 2500 for the other three. Basically a 150 $ gamble. Disclaimer: before the price police screws me, we are NOT paying the FL's 150 $. The FL gets 2500 piso. Total gamble is 150 $. Fourth round, Hashimoto san just slides off his stool onto the floor. Whew I survived. So the rest of us have another couple of celebratory rounds, Kampaiii (cheers, in Japanse), and head home with our ladies for the night, after one of Hashimoto sans colleagues emptied his wallet. Poor Hashimoto san will wake up with a splitting headache/ hangover and just 30$ in his wallet, we were wicked!!

Now this is where things go wrong. I am drunk, I don't know where my pad is, can't unlock my phone to see the address. 4 missed calls from wifey. The next few hours are an haze of alcohol. The next clear memory I have is of waking up in my bed to the sound of retching (lady throwing up in the toilet), and me having a shriveled condom on my limp dick. God knows what transpired in the last 3 hours.

Panic, I jump out of bed, check my wallet, my phone, nothing missing, RELIEF!! Throw the girl out after paying her 3000. No mood for sex, just relieved that I haven't lost anything.

Sometimes we all screw up, it was one of those nights, but it was fun.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2213075]The next few hours are an haze of alcohol. The next clear memory I have is of waking up in my bed to the sound of retching (lady throwing up in the toilet), and me having a shriveled condom on my limp dick. God knows what transpired in the last 3 hours.

Panic, I jump out of bed, check my wallet, my phone, nothing missing, RELIEF!! Throw the girl out after paying her 3000. No mood for sex, just relieved that I haven't lost anything.

Sometimes we all screw up, it was one of those nights, but it was fun.[/QUOTE]Great reports man. I have done the exact same waking up with someone and having no idea who it is. But once all my stuff is accounted for, I like to hang on to the girl.

Once in Brazil I left the club with a chick drunk. We went to her house. I took off my pants and put them on the window sill. The next day I didn't have any money to pay her. I accused her of taking it. But what actually happened is the shit came out my pants and blew out the window into the jungle behind her building. You could see the money in a tree. I told her I would come back after I got out of school that day to pay her. She didn't believe me. When I showed up with the money we were good friends ever since. She ended up marrying some old guy and moved to the States to get papers. Even set with with a Brazilian chick to marry for $15000, but the chick wanted to pay me after and I wanted the money before.

5 more days until I'm at LAC.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2213075]So, to cut the long story short, it turned into a drinking poker (sort of). Each guy buys a round of drinks in turn, and we keep on drinking till the first person gives up. The punishment of giving up first is paying the ladies base price of 2500 for the other three. [/QUOTE]There used to be a game called "Smiles" popular with the Seamen in Subic back in the day. 3-5 of them would sit around a table with their dicks out and a girl or two would be beneath the table randomly giving them blowjobs. The first guy that smiled had to pay for her. It would have been a good time to practice your poker face.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2212875]I would tend to agree.

Sisters are fun and had that many times (some bisexual also which adds to the fun).

Mom and daughters is another really lovely combo but need to tread carefully (and in my case make sure the mom is slim also LOL). Once did a 4 some KG as you suggested but mainly a threesome.[/QUOTE]Sisters are great. I have had 3 sisters in their early 20's. They had 2 older sisters which weren't desirable to me, which each had a daughter 19 and 23 yo which were. In addition the sisters introduce cousins from the father's side, a 19 yo who later brought her 23 yo sister to me. Another 20 yo cousin and her 24 yo sister who I later met. There are a few more that are becoming interested!

None of reasons why which CM alludes to keeping the wealth in the family. Just having fun and pleasure if you treat them right.

Have to add that I found this family tree without WR’s assistance.

Btw, one cousin was a virgin with only one lesbian relationship which has ended. She wants to explore more with me!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2213083]Great reports man. I have done the exact same waking up with someone and having no idea who it is. But once all my stuff is accounted for, I like to hang on to the girl.

Once in Brazil I left the club with a chick drunk. We went to her house. I took off my pants and put them on the window sill. The next day I didn't have any money to pay her. I accused her of taking it. But what actually happened is the shit came out my pants and blew out the window into the jungle behind her building. You could see the money in a tree. I told her I would come back after I got out of school that day to pay her. She didn't believe me. When I showed up with the money we were good friends ever since. She ended up marrying some old guy and moved to the States to get papers. Even set with with a Brazilian chick to marry for $15000, but the chick wanted to pay me after and I wanted the money before.

5 more days until I'm at LAC.[/QUOTE]Had your pants and drawers fallen out the window, scaling that tree up into the jungle canopy with your anaconda dangling to retrieve them along with the cash would have been an unforgettable adventure. If you did not retrieve the money, the monkeys must have been swinging around with fistfuls of cash trying to buy bananas. People probably thought a drug smuggler's plane went down in the jungle scattering cash and blow throughout the canopy.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2213100]Sisters are great. I have had 3 sisters in their early 20's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2212875]I would tend to agree. Sisters are fun and had that many times (some bisexual also which adds to the fun).[/QUOTE]Sisters. Big things can happen when you seed them. Careful. Haha.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2213249]Sisters. Big things can happen when you seed them. Careful. Haha.[/QUOTE]Congrats on your fatherhood and concurrent pregnancies with sisters. The babies will be both siblings and cousins. That ought to raise some eyebrows during school enrollment. LOL! In addition, those are the biggest blackest areolas I have ever seen on a Filipina. They take up almost half of the breasts!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2213257]The babies will be both siblings and cousins. That ought to raise some eyebrows during school enrollment. LOL! [/QUOTE]Haha always the romantic!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2213257]In addition, those are the biggest blackest areolas I have ever seen on a Filipina. They take up almost half of the breasts![/QUOTE]And you're welcome. Will PM.

The Xiamen Airlines plane that skidded off the runway caused an almighty clusterfuck.

Here is a pic soon after the airport re-opened.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2211767]Fucking the maid is even worse.

Not only will you have the employment harassment and consent issues but a good fuck is much easier to find than a good maid.

You fuck the maid and she wants to be the GF and you will have to find another maid. The new GF / ex maid knows of your past girls and will never let you forget it.

Bottom line, DO NOT FUCK THE MAID BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE.[/QUOTE]Would the same apply to fucking the neighbours maid too? My neighbour has a pretty hot looking maid who generally wears revealing tops and skimpiest of shorts.

So I am walking down Adriatico and about to turn back to meet this chick that works at the University at Robinson's. A guy stops me with one of those cards with chicks' pictures and says there is a spot farther down with take out chicks for 1800. Trying to get rid of him, I say but these chicks are too small man. He said no problem there are bigger ones. I said but I am going back to Robinson's. He says well there is another location down that way. I said well it better not be past it because that is where I am going.

We walk down and make a right at the corner going towards the front of the mall. Right before we get to the front is a bunch of chicks ready for action standing on the sidewalk. That was like 7:55 pm. Then this lady walks up to us and he told her I was looking for a chubby chick. So we walk over to the front of the mall next to the driveway. She waved her hand in the air. I thought she was getting the Starbucks security guard's attention, but this chick comes from around the Starbuck's barrier and over to us. She was definitely chubby and as pretty as could be. The lady said she is 19 and new. I said well how much. She said 3000. I started laughing. I said why would I pay 3000 for someone new that I have to teach everything? She went down to 2500. I told her I had to go meet a friend inside and came in and sat down.

A couple minutes later the lady came inside to me and said that guy is gone. It will only be 2000. I told her that is too much. I will only pay 1000. She said 1500. I said well my friend is coming so we have to discuss this later.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2215320]Would the same apply to fucking the neighbours maid too? My neighbour has a pretty hot looking maid who generally wears revealing tops and skimpiest of shorts.[/QUOTE]For your safety and concern it would be better if I fucked her first, then I can tell you if she is worth the risk.

[QUOTE=Koliflaver;2215320]Would the same apply to fucking the neighbours maid too? My neighbour has a pretty hot looking maid who generally wears revealing tops and skimpiest of shorts.[/QUOTE]Ya, Mon, definitely do the neighbor's maid. I lived in Carmenville outside Clark Airbase / Angeles when I was in the 80's / Air Force and did the neighbor's maid all the time I was there. She was hot and busty. I don't even recall paying her anything. She just wanted a white cock. Go for it but don't do your own maid.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2213784]The Xiamen Airlines plane that skidded off the runway caused an almighty clusterfuck.

Here is a pic soon after the airport re-opened.[/QUOTE]I had an early AM flight to Dumaguete booked for the Sunday morning. Got to airport, advance check in, cleared security, had a bite to eat looked on line scheduled on time, went to look for gate assignment 10 minutes later, flight cancelled.

Panic, flew different airline, different terminal to Cebu then taxi, another taxi since driver took us to North Bus not South bus terminal in Cebu, bus ferry bus and hotel van got there 12 hours later than scheduled. If you have the time and patience for some of the local transportation options, it is possible to get around this sort of mishap.

Was also told 30 to 45 bank days for refund to be processed. I am going to dispute bill on my credit card since I did not get any service for my cash outlay and the bank should protect the purchase. Don't know if they will but will cause some agro for Cebu Pacific.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2215619]I had an early AM flight to Dumaguete booked for the Sunday morning. Got to airport, advance check in, cleared security, had a bite to eat looked on line scheduled on time, went to look for gate assignment 10 minutes later, flight cancelled.

Panic, flew different airline, different terminal to Cebu then taxi, another taxi since driver took us to North Bus not South bus terminal in Cebu, bus ferry bus and hotel van got there 12 hours later than scheduled. If you have the time and patience for some of the local transportation options, it is possible to get around this sort of mishap.

Was also told 30 to 45 bank days for refund to be processed. I am going to dispute bill on my credit card since I did not get any service for my cash outlay and the bank should protect the purchase. Don't know if they will but will cause some agro for Cebu Pacific.[/QUOTE]Great survival skills with resources.

From the picture it looks like the terminal was backed up full of OFW's with no where to go but to wait and wait. Probably was 1000's more OFW waiting outside.

Had a good time last night. Met this chick on Tinder a few months ago while I was in Manila, but she never had time to meet. She is a dean for graduate students at one of the universities. It was refreshing to meet a chick in PI that is smarter than me for a change. Before she would always get angry with me because I would make fun of the words that she sometimes writes. Like the other day I was asking her to send me some nekkit pictures. And she answered how was I going to compel her to do that. I started laughing and asked her why she writes like that. The only time I hear compel is in a court room, and not in everyday speech among friends. So she got all angry and said maybe we didn't need to talk if I was going to make fun of how she speaks.

So we met up at Robinson's. I was already full from eating at LAC earlier. She wanted to eat Vietnamese food. I just had mango crepes for the desert. She paid for everything. She was saying how she would need to get home to bring her brother food or something because he was busy studying. I told her that she might as well call and tell him to order a pizza because she was not going home tonight. She was telling me that her sister lives in New York and she goes to the States to travel around every December and asked if she could visit me then. I think I tried to kiss her while we were waiting for the order to come and she scolded me about doing that in public.

We were finally leaving the mall and she was warming up to me. For some reason Filipinas always want to know where you are staying. I always tell them that I will give them that information when they are on the way. So we walked the few blocks back to the hotel and went up to the room. They had upgraded me to a suite when I arrived. I don't know why they are trying to spoil me like that. She sat on the chair and I sat on the bed. I told her to come on over to the bed.

I started kissing on her chest trying to get her hot. And it worked too. When I put my hand between her legs she said that she needed to go wash first because she had been at work all day. She went to the bathroom and I gave her enough time to get her clothes off before I went in after her. We took a great shower together. She washed me from head to toe. Back to the bed and it was on and poppin. After I busted she was telling me how long it has been. I told her not to be thinking about him while she was in the bed with me. Next thing I know I was dreaming. She woke me up a time later saying she was about to leave. I was still sleep and was mumbling bye, but she kept damn asking me shit so I finally woke up and walked her down. When her Grab came she tried to kiss me goodbye. I told her, "Not in public remember!" When she got home she sent a message telling me to have a blissful night. Who the hell talks like that? LOL.

I figured she was the type to get really clingy. Before we fucked it was like she never had time. Now she sends me a million messages and shit. She even tried to skip out on work today, talking about let's go get massages. I told her not to get fired on my account. She said she was the boss, she could be late. Touche. But I had another chick coming in the morning so I could not have her coming back. She sent me messages this morning but I answered them late and told her that I had just waken up. Now I am at the airport and she sent a message saying you might be boarding anytime now. I'm also in transit going home. I tell you. Be careful what you wish for. Looks like I have created a monster.

Chick I met at LA Cafe the other day told me they have a Miss LA Cafe contest today. I asked her what time it starts so that I can pass on the info. She said before 6. I said it starts at 6? She said no, before 6. I said so it starts at 5? She said yes. Just shoot me!

Have a Tokyo-Singapore flight with an inconvenient connecting time in Manila, lands at 2 am next flight leaving at 10 am.

Wondering if a place like Burgos St goes all night or folds up at midnight? Or if there's any decent picks still worth picking up at 3-3:30 am?

Or is there too lengthy customs to leave the airport for a few hours?

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2217626]Have a Tokyo-Singapore flight with an inconvenient connecting time in Manila, lands at 2 am next flight leaving at 10 am.

Wondering if a place like Burgos St goes all night or folds up at midnight? Or if there's any decent picks still worth picking up at 3-3:30 am?

Or is there too lengthy customs to leave the airport for a few hours?[/QUOTE]Of course Immigration depends on where you come in, when you come in, and how many other flights are in at the same time. Last week my flight got in to Terminal 3 at 8 pm and I was in a taxi by 8:15. The time before that I came in to Terminal 1 and was in line well over 1 hour. There is always LA Cafe 24 hours.

You have reasonable time for a quick fix.

Places like burgos, LA Cafe is open throughout and you may even hit a jackpot as some bars may be closing and you could always pick someone outside the bar. You can try Edsa as that's closer to airport. Last option is Airport 1.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2217626]Have a Tokyo-Singapore flight with an inconvenient connecting time in Manila, lands at 2 am next flight leaving at 10 am.

Wondering if a place like Burgos St goes all night or folds up at midnight? Or if there's any decent picks still worth picking up at 3-3:30 am?

Or is there too lengthy customs to leave the airport for a few hours?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217664]Of course Immigration depends on where you come in, when you come in, and how many other flights are in at the same time. Last week my flight got in to Terminal 3 at 8 pm and I was in a taxi by 8:15. The time before that I came in to Terminal 1 and was in line well over 1 hour. There is always LA Cafe 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Yes, LACAFE is certainly a reliable choice. You can also try by wechat by the time you are waiting for customs and baggage at the airport. I arrived around midnight and immigration cleared us in 10 minutes. Multiple lines and multiple officers, we moved on very quick.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2217720]Yes, LACAFE is certainly a reliable choice. You can also try by wechat by the time you are waiting for customs and baggage at the airport. I arrived around midnight and immigration cleared us in 10 minutes. Multiple lines and multiple officers, we moved on very quick.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add, there is free wifi at Manila airport and you can access while wait for immigration and baggage.

How was the contest, Mr. E?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216466]Chick I met at LA Cafe the other day told me they have a Miss LA Cafe contest today. I asked her what time it starts so that I can pass on the info. She said before 6. I said it starts at 6? She said no, before 6. I said so it starts at 5? She said yes. Just shoot me![/QUOTE]

First time posting to this page because I am heading over in a few days. But I impressed myself so much last night that I wanted to share it. I had bank account problems last night so called my bank. Worked out that the customer service girl was from Phils from her accent. Told her I was coming in a few days and gave her my WhatsApp and asked her to add me. She just did and she is out of this world looking. Of course she will have used her best pic. But we have organised to meet and who knows what will happen. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2213784]The Xiamen Airlines plane that skidded off the runway caused an almighty clusterfuck.

Here is a pic soon after the airport re-opened.[/QUOTE]Looks like a normal day at that airport to me. What's different about it? LOL enjoy the Philippines.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217664]Of course Immigration depends on where you come in, when you come in, and how many other flights are in at the same time. Last week my flight got in to Terminal 3 at 8 pm and I was in a taxi by 8:15. The time before that I came in to Terminal 1 and was in line well over 1 hour. There is always LA Cafe 24 hours.[/QUOTE]US Citizen never been to Asia, Tokyo NRT-MNL lands at 11:40 pm, next morning MNL-SIN flight resumes at 10 am.

So there's action around 1-2 am, I'm not going to be pinned where all the good ones got scooped up earlier and I'm left to pick table scraps?

Shouldn't have issues with luggage in an actual hotel room separate from session hotel room?

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2217998]US Citizen never been to Asia, Tokyo NRT-MNL lands at 11:40 pm, next morning MNL-SIN flight resumes at 10 am.

So there's action around 1-2 am, I'm not going to be pinned where all the good ones got scooped up earlier and I'm left to pick table scraps?

Shouldn't have issues with luggage in an actual hotel room separate from session hotel room?[/QUOTE]Best to just sleep in the airport and not go out and monger. Too many variables for a newbie.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2217925]First time posting to this page because I am heading over in a few days. But I impressed myself so much last night that I wanted to share it. I had bank account problems last night so called my bank. Worked out that the customer service girl was from Phils from her accent. Told her I was coming in a few days and gave her my WhatsApp and asked her to add me. She just did and she is out of this world looking. Of course she will have used her best pic. But we have organised to meet and who knows what will happen. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Great story. I hope it works out well. Those chicks always get a kick when I tell them Salamat Po at the end of the call. Never thought about trading contact info with any of them.

Now, let me see. Messing around with a girl who has superuser access over my financial account and my personal details. Think credit report. Personally, I would not touch that with a ten foot pole. But that is just me thinking with my big head and sober.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2217925]First time posting to this page because I am heading over in a few days. But I impressed myself so much last night that I wanted to share it. I had bank account problems last night so called my bank. Worked out that the customer service girl was from Phils from her accent. Told her I was coming in a few days and gave her my WhatsApp and asked her to add me. She just did and she is out of this world looking. Of course she will have used her best pic. But we have organised to meet and who knows what will happen. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

I thought I posted something but here goes again. If you take your carry on and valuables with you, you might be able to keep it on premise at the bar as in under the table. Though I have never seen that but I don't see why you cannot. If you find something, book a room on line and take a grab cab (pre-load the app and credit card). I would suggest staying close to the airport and take the girl LT if you find the right one. Check where your flight leaves from and if the hotel has a shuttle or just a walk away. Traffic can be bad in the morning.

The advantage is that you won't spend on a hotel unless you need to. If you are unsuccessful, you can clean up at an airport lounge.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2217998]US Citizen never been to Asia, Tokyo NRT-MNL lands at 11:40 pm, next morning MNL-SIN flight resumes at 10 am.

So there's action around 1-2 am, I'm not going to be pinned where all the good ones got scooped up earlier and I'm left to pick table scraps?

Shouldn't have issues with luggage in an actual hotel room separate from session hotel room?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2218212]Now, let me see. Messing around with a girl who has superuser access over my financial account and my personal details. Think credit report. Personally, I would not touch that with a ten foot pole. But that is just me thinking with my big head and sober.[/QUOTE]Exactly my thoughts too Bushes.

Why would you risk such a scenario based on a picture only?

It's potentially dangerous because she has the means to complicate your life unnecessarily.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2217998]US Citizen never been to Asia, Tokyo NRT-MNL lands at 11:40 pm, next morning MNL-SIN flight resumes at 10 am.

So there's action around 1-2 am, I'm not going to be pinned where all the good ones got scooped up earlier and I'm left to pick table scraps?

Shouldn't have issues with luggage in an actual hotel room separate from session hotel room?[/QUOTE]Alright. I wasn't ready to write this part of my report yet, but in order to help a brother I will skip ahead. I must say though that I am not sure why you would need separate hotels when you are only staying in Manila a few hours.

Last Friday I checked out of my hotel in Ermita at 1 pm. My flight to Thailand was not until 6:30. A massage chick that I met on WeChat had been with me all morning. I had already planned to spend a couple of hours at LA Cafe before heading to the airport. So I walked up to LA Cafe with my things (backpack, recycled shopping bag). When I got inside I placed my things on the floor next to the table behind the door then I went to sit at a good table where my things were still in view. I ordered some chicken and a cider.

While eating my food, there were some chicks across from me talking shit. Neither of them were my type so I did not pay them much mind., but still joked back and forth. Then another chick comes and joins them. Now this chick was my type! I talked a little shit with her while finishing my meal. When I finished I asked to see her phone. She gave it to me. I looked at the whatsapp messages from other guys then I added myself to her phone book and sent a whatsapp message from her phone to myself.

I told her that next time I am in Manila I would see her. I told her that I wanted to stay at her place though. She is from Davao and said she only has bedspace in Manila. She stays at a place across from LA Cafe in a room with 12 other girls! I was drained from fucking my massage chick so I was really not up for anything. But then I started thinking and thinking. I have a pocket full of cash and I really don't want the anxiety later that I should have fucked this chick.

She kept trying to get me to take her but I kept trying to tell them that I honestly did not have a room. They told me there are rooms next door for 600 pesos for 3 hours or like 1000 for 1 day. I told them I didn't even have 3 hours to spare. Fuck it. This chick was tall and did not even look Filipina. She looked like she had to be mixed with Arab or Indian. Funny thing is without me even telling her that, she told me that people always think she is Arab or Indian, but her parents are both Filipino.

Push came to shove and I asked her how much she wanted. She said 2000. I laughed and said 1000. She said let's go! So heading out the door I gather my things and said, "What? Did y'all think I was lying about not having a place?" We went next door to the hotel. I told the lady that I only needed the room for 1 hour, but she said the minimum charge is for 3 hours. So I handed her 1000 pesos. She gave me 400 change. We followed the bellhop up to the room. I was paying no attention and do not even have any idea what floor it was on.

It was a basic apartment overlooking M.H. del Pilar with a living room and a kitchen and a separate bedroom. The guy turned on the AC and left. We took showers and got down to the deed fucking like rabbits. I took another shower before leaving her alone in the room. I told her that I would definitely see her again next time. I went downstairs and told the lady the girl was still in the room and would leave later. She asked what room. I said I have no idea. Then I went out to call a Grab.

Shit. It would have been better to just get a normal taxi. The wait time on Grab was 8 minutes. And somehow that turned into at least 20. There was a chick outside who was rather pretty, but her bottom teeth were rotted out. She kept trying to get me to go fuck. I kept telling her that I just finished. I asked and what are you doing out here instead of trying to look for someone inside of LA Cafe. She said that she had gotten banned for fighting. I said wow and told her that I have never seen any fighting or even arguments in there. Finally the Grab came and I was on my way to NAIA Terminal 3. I think it was 344 pesos plus the skyway toll of 45 pesos.

So there you are fellow American. Just head over to LA Cafe and get one of those cheap rooms next door for your few hours stay.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2217925]First time posting to this page because I am heading over in a few days. But I impressed myself so much last night that I wanted to share it. I had bank account problems last night so called my bank. Worked out that the customer service girl was from Phils from her accent. ....[/QUOTE]I had an issue with my MagicJack account before I arrived and the phone was answered by a Pina, I ended up asking her out as soon as I got to Manila and she said sure, as long as she could bring her husband.

I said why not, got a sister?

Please tell me that it is not a striped recycled Filipina shopping bag. I am sure we can pass the hat around and get you a normal colored one at least. I think we punters should have a minimum standard! LOL

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218343]So I walked up to LA Cafe with my things (backpack, recycled shopping bag)..[/QUOTE]

I'm looking to try somewhere new after Manila and Cebu.

Where are people mongering on the way to or from MNL?

I've been to Thailand and Indonesia but would be open to relive my early days in Asia: a few less luxuries compensated by $10 girls and an unspoilt atmosphere.

Madagascar seems like and option, maybe Venezuela.

Anyone have any other options??

[QUOTE=Goferring;2218659]I'm looking to try somewhere new after Manila and Cebu.

Where are people mongering on the way to or from MNL?

I've been to Thailand and Indonesia but would be open to relive my early days in Asia: a few less luxuries compensated by $10 girls and an unspoilt atmosphere.

Madagascar seems like and option, maybe Venezuela.

Anyone have any other options??[/QUOTE]I had good luck in the DR, others not so much. Like most places you need to do a little homework first, look at the specific forum here and read back many pages to get a feeling for the local scene and then go accordingly.

Haven't been to Dubai for a few years but that was good there as well. Always stayed at the LE Meridian Airport and pulled from Jules Bar on site. It was expensive accommodations but I was on a company expense account. Girls more than here and lots of Asians but a good mix of Russian and others. Stay away from all Africans there, lots of bad reports on scams from that demographic. Be careful of LE, don't be obvious outside the hotel area and do not get drunk in public.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2218662]Haven't been to Dubai for a few years but that was good there as well. [/QUOTE]Abu Dhabi. Like Dubai but cheaper.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2218342]Exactly my thoughts too Bushes.

Why would you risk such a scenario based on a picture only?

It's potentially dangerous because she has the means to complicate your life unnecessarily.[/QUOTE]Wow. I didn't even think of that. Clearly not thinking with my head. It wasn't my bank (changed it to obscure the story) but she still has access to stuff. Suddenly all I see is a a danger sign with a skull and cross bones when I look at her pics. I never learn that forming any bonds or getting to know these girls is a recipe for disaster.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2218695]Wow. I didn't even think of that. Clearly not thinking with my head. It wasn't my bank (changed it to obscure the story) but she still has access to stuff. Suddenly all I see is a a danger sign with a skull and cross bones when I look at her pics. I never learn that forming any bonds or getting to know these girls is a recipe for disaster.[/QUOTE]That is okay. You can pass her to me. She does not have any of my info.

My brother was messing with a chick in the Dominican Republic and tried to act like he had just arrived in the country when in actuality he had gotten there a few days earlier. Well the girl had a friend in immigration that looked him up and took a picture of the screen and sent it to the girl. I said why would you tell the chick your real name? He said that she had gotten a hold of his passport. I have messed with plenty of immigration chicks in various countries, but never any problems. I guess I just don't care enough.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218711]but never had any problems. I guess I just don't care enough.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how accurate that statement is. Once a girl knows she has something over you, you are fucked.

I've lost count of the number of guys who lie about being married, have kids or are in town solely to fuck as many slots as possible and then come unstuck.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2218714]It's amazing how accurate that statement is. Once a girl knows she has something over you, you are fucked.

I've lost count of the number of guys who lie about being married, have kids or are in town solely to fuck as many slots as possible and then come unstuck.[/QUOTE]Well, the guys gave them leverage and the girls used it. Once a Filipina gets a hold of a monger's real name, she will search relentlessly on the internet for information on him that may give her advantage. She will research his family, friends, and coworkers on social media. Some do it just to catch mongers in a lie to show how smart they are, others use it to get even if mongers cut off a steady cash flow or fail to come through with promises of a visa.

Some mongers like to fuck non-pros while promising 'serious relationship' and possible marriage with all its monetary benefits because they believe it gives them the ultimate GFE, as the girls put all their effort into giving their highest quality suck and fuck to hasten things along. LOL! They may even forego cash compensation expecting to cash in the matrimonial jackpot at the end. Of course, when they learn that the monger was fucking them along with scores of other girls using the same methods, they become furious and many seek revenge.

I know of a recent case where an enraged bar girlfriend sent photos of the sweaty fuck sessions with her monger boyfriend to his wife on FB, after he cut off her monthly retainer fee and sought the services of another girl. LOL! She then bragged that resulting divorce and child support for his children made him very poor. Hence, the other girl was fucking a broke man. LOL!

Danger also comes from rival mongers or expat husbands who discover that another monger is infringing on their exclusive 19th hole rights, and pressures the girl to denounce the rival to LE. LOL! Due to the ease of filing cases for the most trivial matters, most natives use nicknames rather than their legal names as a precaution.

Given the amount of corruption and scams, one should think twice about giving anyone with access to personally identifiable info a reason to retaliate because they were fucked and chucked. LOL!

There is a saying, "Hlel has not fury as that of a woman scorned". Tread carefully if she has access to your information. Letters, calls, and stuff will be dropped to people close to you. The more attractive you are as a potential partner, the greater the danger. Usually never mess with staff unless the rules are clear and there is something you can hold over the girl, as in a husband, job, religion. Etc. Good luck Sidtip

[QUOTE=Goferring;2218714]Once a girl knows she has something over you, you are fucked.

I've lost count of the number of guys who lie about being married, have kids or are in town solely to fuck as many slots as possible and then come unstuck.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218711]That is okay. You can pass her to me. She does not have any of my info.

My brother was messing with a chick in the Dominican Republic and tried to act like he had just arrived in the country when in actuality he had gotten there a few days earlier. Well the girl had a friend in immigration that looked him up and took a picture of the screen and sent it to the girl. I said why would you tell the chick your real name? He said that she had gotten a hold of his passport. I have messed with plenty of immigration chicks in various countries, but never any problems. I guess I just don't care enough.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sidtip;2218695]Wow. I didn't even think of that. Clearly not thinking with my head. It wasn't my bank (changed it to obscure the story) but she still has access to stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2218662]I had good luck in the DR, others not so much. Like most places you need to do a little homework first, look at the specific forum here and read back many pages to get a feeling for the local scene and then go accordingly.

Haven't been to Dubai for a few years but that was good there as well. Always stayed at the LE Meridian Airport and pulled from Jules Bar on site. It was expensive accommodations but I was on a company expense account. Girls more than here and lots of Asians but a good mix of Russian and others. Stay away from all Africans there, lots of bad reports on scams from that demographic. Be careful of LE, don't be obvious outside the hotel area and do not get drunk in public.[/QUOTE]Depends on your view of price / quality Goffering. IMHO was better years ago (some may disagree) but the prices are high AED1000 or ore for some Russian who will likely rip you off. Look at the UAE forum and see what guys pay for a HJ!! I am stunned (as I know Nice Guy is also).

I was in Dubai recently and the quality was poor but prices up. Maybe some you can find in Abu Dhabi but generally I was yearning for the old days when KG and I were both there. Some mongering friends have given up on Dubai and the UAE as a whole but depends on flavour etc. Cheap PRCs but they neve my flavour. Look at the UAE board and PM me if you like.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2218659]Madagascar seems like and option, maybe Venezuela.

Anyone have any other options??[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, you must be adventourus?

Best advise: stay in Manila or Angeles.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2218834]Ha, ha, you must be adventourus?

Best advise: stay in Manila or Angeles.[/QUOTE]Maybe. I'm not an adrenaline junkie but I arrived in Asia in the early 90's when the scene was simpler, much cheaper and far less hardened. I'd love to find somewhere where that can be experienced again.

I've got nothing against Manila and still enjoy going there and other places in the PI but am open to exploring new areas as well.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2218733]I know of a recent case where an enraged bar girlfriend sent photos of the sweaty fuck sessions with her monger boyfriend to his wife on FB, after he cut off her monthly retainer fee and sought the services of another girl. LOL! She then bragged that resulting divorce and child support for his children made him very poor. Hence, the other girl was fucking a broke man. LOL!

Danger also comes from rival mongers or expat husbands who discover that another monger is infringing on their exclusive 19th hole rights, and pressures the girl to denounce the rival to LE. LOL! Due to the ease of filing cases for the most trivial matters, most natives use nicknames rather than their legal names as a precaution.[/QUOTE]I am starting to feel sick. Two days ago I thought I had found a good girl with a proper job who didn't drink much, didn't smoke, was possibly a virgin etc etc, who was captivated by my phone manner and wanted to meet me because I sounded sexy on the phone. Now I am thinking she is a burden and I would rather have a new girl every day and not have anyone start thinking about getting their hands on my house, car, salary and bank account. I haven't even met her yet but she is starting to feel like a wife that I need to get rid of.

I've already told her not to come to the airport to get me.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2218733]
Some mongers like to fuck non-pros while promising 'serious relationship' and possible marriage with all its monetary benefits because they believe it gives them the ultimate GFE, as the girls put all their effort into giving their highest quality suck and fuck to hasten things along. LOL! They may even forego cash compensation expecting to cash in the matrimonial jackpot at the end. Of course, when they learn that the monger was fucking them along with scores of other girls using the same methods, they become furious and many seek revenge.[/QUOTE]I always had this idea of renting a cheap apartment in various destinations and always 'being away on business' but actually being back at home doing the regular 9 to 5 job. Then 'returning from a long business trip' and hooking up with girls who thought you were a local guy since you didn't stay in a hotel. Girls that were trying to hook a foreign boyfriend. You'd have a lived in place, your photo's on the wall and not some hotel. When I retire I plan on trying that out in a few cities since a months rate of a cheap apartment is just a few nights at a hotel.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2218939]I always had this idea of renting a cheap apartment in various destinations and always 'being away on business' but actually being back at home doing the regular 9 to 5 job. Then 'returning from a long business trip' and hooking up with girls who thought you were a local guy since you didn't stay in a hotel. Girls that were trying to hook a foreign boyfriend. You'd have a lived in place, your photo's on the wall and not some hotel. When I retire I plan on trying that out in a few cities since a months rate of a cheap apartment is just a few nights at a hotel.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. I have had plenty of girlfriends and fuck friends in countries and citites where I have never lived. I would say that learning the local language would help 100 times more than having a local apartment. Hell, even learning the language is not necessary.

Not even necessary to use your place if you do have one. I'm at somebody's bich crib in Pattaya chillin out right now. She went to get food for me.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2218938]Now I am thinking she is a burden and I would rather have a new girl every day and not have anyone start thinking about getting their hands on my house, car, salary and bank account. I haven't even met her yet but she is starting to feel like a wife that I need to get rid of.

I've already told her not to come to the airport to get me.[/QUOTE]Man you scare easily. You really think some chick that you met on the phone and went out on a date with is going to take all your stuff? If that was the case then I would have been living on the street in a cardboard box a long time ago.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2218781]Depends on your view of price / quality Goffering. IMHO was better years ago (some may disagree) but the prices are high AED1000 or ore for some Russian who will likely rip you off. Look at the UAE forum and see what guys pay for a HJ!! I am stunned (as I know Nice Guy is also).
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AED 1000 fro HJ? Holly shit.

4 years ago that was the low range for LT, I can recall getting 2 Thai's for AED 800 LT in 2012. That was total not each BTW.

Russians and Europeans were always more expensive there and more of a rip off risk as well. I generally stuck to the PRC and pinas. Had a great time with my one and only Mongolian there too (She was if I recall AED 1,000 for LT as well).

Memories of the past, never to be experienced again.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2219285]AED 1000 fro HJ? Holly shit.

4 years ago that was the low range for LT, I can recall getting 2 Thai's for AED 800 LT in 2012. That was total not each BTW.

Russians and Europeans were always more expensive there and more of a rip off risk as well. I generally stuck to the PRC and pinas. Had a great time with my one and only Mongolian there too (She was if I recall AED 1,000 for LT as well).

Memories of the past, never to be experienced again.[/QUOTE]Sadly lots of young new blood with no brains thinking with their todger in UAE KG. May from one continent also who seem unable to unwilling to negotiate. Lots of AMP action but then some are AED500 for HJ! Truly amazing. Some of seniors have the knowledge buy know use PM as many new bloods been going to places claiming to know person 'X' and then ripping the girls off. Happens too often.

Very different scene now as to when we were both there and I don't monger much there now. I have some contacts I use (pinay) who are excellent). Shared to only very trusted people as quality / price mix not in out favour mostly IMHO.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2218781]Depends on your view of price / quality Goffering. IMHO was better years ago (some may disagree) but the prices are high AED1000 or ore for some Russian who will likely rip you off. Look at the UAE forum and see what guys pay for a HJ!! I am stunned (as I know Nice Guy is also).

I was in Dubai recently and the quality was poor but prices up. Maybe some you can find in Abu Dhabi but generally I was yearning for the old days when KG and I were both there. Some mongering friends have given up on Dubai and the UAE as a whole but depends on flavour etc. Cheap PRCs but they neve my flavour. Look at the UAE board and PM me if you like.[/QUOTE]Thanks Roger.

Yes $200 per session is way above what I want to pay. Having said that I'm looking for something new not based solely on price. I arrived in Asia when dictators were faĺling and every country had it's own Financial Crisis. That meant that most girls were fresh to the market, no one was worried about LT runners because it never happened and the scene was much more laid back.

It would be good to find somewhere that I can re-live those times.

I'm open to various options but for now Venezuela and Colombia are competing with Kenya and Madagascar. For me Africa will be easier as Sth America is a pain for me to get to and a week is lost in flights and jetlag.

I have not been posting FR's here because my hunting style simply does not lend it to the typical FR.

I live here and as such can take my time developing contacts into regulars. I also am not fond of the bar scene bar fining different girls every night with the hassle and risk that that entails. I have no problem if that is your preferred style, just different than what I'm looking for. I also prefer repeat encounters as it gets better as you know each other. I am looking for non pro's as I get a more real GFE that way.

The downside is I have had to release some that have gotten too attached. Several have ended up hinting at marriage or having kids.

I hunt almost exclusively on Tinder with an occasional foray into PL. A few months ago it was the reverse and I will most likely drift back into more PL less Tinder in a while. I have also used SA with good results. I may go back there sometime soon. Expensive to join but a much higher quality to pick from.

On Tinder I have the Gold plan. It lets me see who has matched me and allows me to use a super like on the best prospects there. Girls are really flattered with a superlike, just about every girl has commented about getting one.

I quickly ask for a number so we can chat on WhatsApp and Viber. The tinder chat app is not as good as these and we can have video and send pictures on the other platforms. If no Viber or WhatsApp then I'll use FB or Skype. If not those then I pass. Viber is my preferred as the desktop app can run independent of your phone where WhatsApp needs the phone to be connected to the internet to use the desktop version.

First message is simply "Hi This is Kabul from Tinder. " I hate getting messages from unidentified numbers that just say Hi, no picture in their profile or other hint who is texting me. I often just ignore those. I also have had some girls give fake numbers or simply have a typo in their number so this does not embarrass anyone that way.

When they respond I always ask what are they looking for and depending on their answer go from there. If they ask me first then it is a nonspecific, just meet women and see if we have chemistry.

Often girls post serious relationship in their profile but when asked just want a hookup or something casual. They do this so that friends and family do not know what they are up to if their profiles are seen.

I will take my time chatting with the girl if that is what she wants. Even with a full roster of regulars after the recent cull, I am developing a few girls in chat mode. Asking for money is the kiss of death for any further chats, unless it is directly related to a meet.

When we meet, it will be usually in a coffee shop. That way if we don't get along or she used photo's that were 10 years and 10 kgs ago, I am only out the price of a cup of coffee. I now try for a video chat before meeting to gauge actual looks, English ability and general attitude before investing the time in a meeting.

Depending on how the initial meet goers, it is either an invite back to my place, implication clear, an agreement to meet later for one that I want and she does not appear ready on first meet, or a thank you we'll chat later.

It is longer in elapsed time from first contact to getting naked than the bar and FL approach but I'll wager that on average I spend less time with a girl than the average FR reports on a bar search, "looked here, looked there finally went somewhere else and after a haggle went home". I'll seldom spend more than an hour in actual chat time but it may be spread out over a few days or even weeks. (in a couple cases a few months).

So far this approach has paid dividends. In the year I've been here, I've met a couple hundred women, taken over half to bed and only missed on two that I wanted to take to bed but was unsuccessful. Ages have ranged from 18 to 40 and I'd take just about all of them again based on looks. (Some no because I did get a few that starfished on me or were just bad in the sack and would not take any direction or training.).

It was 3 misses until a couple weeks ago. I finally bedded one that I had taken to dinner several times, enjoyed her company and was looking forward to her being a regular. She was not only bad in bed but would accept absolutely no direction. She was a biter and liked pulling my chest and pubic hairs even after being told many times to stop. She also refused to even attempt a BJ saying it was a dirty and disgusting thing to do. Good bye, let me book you a grab home right now.

I also had a 10 week live in with a 21, now 22 year old hottie that only cost me a less than 20 k for a replacement phone. Her loss of her phone was legitimate and I was happy to replace her phone. She was great in bed and up for anything any time. The place I was staying had balconies that were private from the immediate neighbors and difficult to see at night from across the courtyard. Many sessions out there after dark.

Like I said this tactic is not for everyone, it will simply not work for a tourist only here for a week or 10 days but as a resident with a little patience and some game it works well for me.

I have had several that liked pulling hair. Some do that on themselves instead of shaving. Eventually all will be a 2 holer or 3.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2221202]liked pulling my chest and pubic hairs even after being told many times to stop. She also refused to even attempt a BJ saying it was a dirty and disgusting thing to do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2221202]I have not been posting FR's here because my hunting style simply does not lend it to the typical FR.

I live here and as such can take my time developing contacts into regulars. I also am not fond of the bar scene bar fining different girls every night with the hassle and risk that that entails. I have no problem if that is your preferred style, just different than what I'm looking for. I also prefer repeat encounters as it gets better as you know each other. I am looking for non pro's as I get a more real GFE that way.

[/QUOTE]Apart from the fact I'm in Singapore, not Manila, this is exactly my tactic also (except I don't use Tinder). I find this method means you're developing a bit of chemistry with the girl before you meet, which is important because it gives you a sense of how much fun they are. Nine times out of ten, we're usually already talking about what naughty things we're going to get up to before we meet, so you soon learn who's going to be worth your time and who isn't.

Sometimes they ask for "help", sometimes they don't, I mostly always offer unless I think it's going to be taken as an insult.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2221592]Apart from the fact I'm in Singapore, not Manila, this is exactly my tactic also (except I don't use Tinder).

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Sometimes they ask for "help", sometimes they don't, I mostly always offer unless I think it's going to be taken as an insult.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear this CSP. Sometimes on the board where there are lots of FR's on the action at this or that bar and which # girl to pick from the fishbowl, I have felt that I was one of a very rare type of monger here. To me it is all about having as much pussy as you can handle, some like a different girl every session and are only looking at the physical attraction and the act while others like CSP and I and a couple of others who have commented in PMs, are looking for a attraction that goes beyond the physical.

In my early days here, I had a couple of sessions with two sisters and they offered to live in for 20 k per month each. While they were hot, I simply could not stand them outside of bed at all. I declined their offer.

I don't mind "helping" them. I just don't want it to be the first and foremost thing in the relationship, even if the only reason they are here is for the "help". It all goes to the GFE. (On a different board in the US, I heard it referred to IOL, illusion of love, not GFE which sums it up nicely in some cases.).

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2221202]I have not been posting FR's here because my hunting style simply does not lend it to the typical FR.

I live here and as such can take my time developing contacts into regulars. I also am not fond of the bar scene bar fining different girls every night with the hassle and risk that that entails. I have no problem if that is your preferred style, just different than what I'm looking for. I also prefer repeat encounters as it gets better as you know each other. I am looking for non pro's as I get a more real GFE that way.
[/QUOTE]I am very similar in my methods and approach, though I don't live full-time in PH I do spend 2-3 weeks in country each visit. I have a steady rotation in Manila and Cebu. I find the GFE quality extremely high with this approach.

Please forgive me in advance. This is more a bunch of stories and information that may or may not be useful or interesting. I just got back from a trip which I extended (at a cost) because I fell for a girl and didn't; want to leave her. I've been back a week and am thinking about returning in a few days to see her. I sound like an amateur and a fool and I probably am but I travelled all over and done it all. But I still make the same mistakes and fall for the same cons over and over. I will never learn but I have so much fun in the process.

Arrived at Manila and thought the yellow taxis were the safe ones with the meters. Sat in the back and didn't pay attention but half way through he asked me for the paper receipts that carried his details that the taxi attendants had given me at the airport. I immediately knew the con was on and said I had put them in my suitcase pocket and then stopped chatting. But like an idiot I didn't even look at the meter because I had my head in my phone like an addict who had been without his addiction for the past 10 hour flight. Arrived at the hotel and he asked for 890. I looked at the meter and couldn't see anything that resembled the price. There are other smaller numbers up the top and one of these had an 8. 75 or something on it. Anyway I handed over 1000 and he asked if I wanted the change. I still wasn't fussed, thought it was a couple of dollars and let him keep it. A few days later drove past the airport in a taxi to the casino. Cost 300 to go past the airport so I was clearly ripped off. Hope this saves someone a few dollars. Similar thing happened in the taxi back to the airport with two girls when I was going home. Even they got ripped off by the driver who said there was a 300 fee to be paid and he didn't like giving change. They were furious when they told me after I got home. So beware. Need to sleep. Will try more tomorr.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2224887]Cost 300 to go past the airport so I was clearly ripped off. Hope this saves someone a few dollars. Similar thing happened in the taxi back to the airport with two girls when I was going home. Even they got ripped off by the driver who said there was a 300 fee to be paid and he didn't like giving change. They were furious when they told me after I got home. So beware. Need to sleep. Will try more tomorr.[/QUOTE]Yes, you were probably ripped off. I have taken scores of yellow airport taxis from all three major terminals and only once had a problem, but it does happen. Most cabbies are honest. They understand that cheating tourists comes back to haunt everybody in the Phils when tourists stop coming, but there are a few bad apples that take advantage of gullible or uninformed foreigners.

The best defense is to inform yourself. Taxi stories in this thread come in flurries. Somebody reports a bad experience, and others respond, with other bad experiences and with good advice. You can use the search tool in the forum to go back in this thread and read some of them.

Here are some lessons and observations I have gleaned. Much of this is overkill for people who take these cabs frequently, but I offer it as precaution for a newbie. All commercial vehicles from trucks to cabs operate under regulations from the Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board (LTFRB). Most cabs have an LTFRB hotline phone number painted on the outside. Write it down before you get in the cab, along with the cab number, and the driver's name (usually attached to the dashboard or front passenger sun visor). If you sense you are being cheated, tell the driver you will contact LTFRB to clarify the rulesand then do so if necessary.

All airport yellow cabs and regular white taxis have meters. The only airport taxis without meters are the white coupon cabs, which are more like small vans, and operate at a flat fee depending on the destination. They are more expensive, and hawkers are very aggressive at the airport terminal exits in trying to lead you to them.

If the white or yellow taxi driver does not turn on the meter, tell him to do so immediately. Sometimes they then say the meter is broken or they need a higher fare because of heavy "troppick. " Some will then try to negotiate a fixed fare. Sometimes the report of heavy traffic is truthful; other times you are going to a destination from which they know they will be unable to get a return fare. The problem for you is that you don't know what a reasonable negotiated fare is.

Unless you know the city well, do not negotiate with them. Just tell them "stop" or "para," firmly. Para may be better, because it tells the driver you are not a novice, since you know a little Tagalog. If they keep trying to negotiate, just keep shaking your head no. You have a choice to get out of the taxi or wait to see if the negotiated price goes down. Depending on their English skills, they will sometimes plead with you by explaining why the meter fare hurts them. It's up to your judgment whether to believe them; some of these guys are just average men trying to feed their families. If you build a rapport with a driver, get his cell number and tell him you will call next time you need a ride.

If you get out, go back to the taxi stand and make sure the driver knows you will report to the ticket agent. You can also call LTFRB if you are so inclined.

At all three major terminals there are also regular white cabs that are cheaper, and perhaps a little less trustworthy, than the yellow meter cabs. At Terminal one, turn right as you go out the door after customs. They are at the end of an island in the roadway. At Terminal two, turn right at the exit door and go way, way down. The white cabs are several hundred meters down to the right. At Terminal three go out the door near Wendy's and proceed across several roadways. The white cabs are at the roadway furthest from the terminal.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2225066]Yes, you were probably ripped off. I have taken scores of yellow airport taxis from all three major terminals and only once had a problem, but it does happen. Most cabbies are honest. They understand that cheating tourists comes back to haunt everybody in the Phils when tourists stop coming, but there are a few bad apples that take advantage of gullible or uninformed foreigners.[/QUOTE]Couple of recent bad-boy examples, possibly brought on by the recent typhoon. Landed NAIA at 11 pm and went for the white taxi line. Lots of spare taxis, no customers. The girl at the desk wrote down my destination and handed me a copy of the chit. The first driver greeted me outside his taxi and opened my door (very nice). Big guy, probably 90 lbs heavier than me. Very nice. When I told him my (popular and easy to find) condo in Malate, he asked for the chit. I handed him the airbnb printed address, but he re-asked for the chit, and I handed it to him. He was overly chatty on the 10 minute (almost no traffic) ride and I wanted him to shut up. When we pulled up to the condo he said "500". I hadn't noticed the meter was off. In fact I couldn't see a meter anywhere, I even turned on my phone light to look for one. I had already peeled off 200 for him (probably more than if he'd run the meter; a month prior the same run at the same time ran me p180). I asked where his meter was. "No meter. 500. Give. " His demeanor changed from happy guy to mafioso enforcer. I sat still and started reading on my phone. He repeated "500" twice more, then "OK 400 you give". You must be kidding. I asked for the chit back, considering taking it back to the airport on my next outbound and reporting his taxi. He said he couldn't find it (in his pocket most likely, and that's why he asked me for it in the first place). I continued to look at my phone. Finally: "Give me 400. Get out of my taxi. Just you out from my taxi". Sold! Well, almost. I stepped out and handed him the 200. The door security was standing there, what was he going to do? He drove off yelling something unknown in Tagalog. Should have taken a pic of his taxi number.

Following evening my girl and I were going to a local live band bar. Light rain and heavy wind. The ride is about 6 blocks. At arrival, the meter (original flagfall p40) had been turned off. The driver said "100". I handed him 50 (an approximate price), we got out, he said nothing and drove off. Reverse trip back to the condo 2 hours later was the exact same story. About halfway to the condo the girl said "Meter!" and the driver said "100". She started to argue and I squeezed her thigh to hush her. At the condo the driver accepted 50, no problem.

Again, this recent spat of overcharging and turning off the meter might be weather related; its been a while since I have experienced it.

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Again, this recent spat of overcharging and turning off the meter might be weather related; its been a while since I have experienced it.[/QUOTE]I see it more when the weather is bad, traffic particularly heavy (payday Friday nights for example), otherwise it is much more normal for a regular ride, meter used right away, no talk of extra unless the trip is somewhere a little out of the way then I think it is fair to pay a little extra since the chance of a return fare is less for the driver.

If they ask for 50 over meter, that just comes out of their tip. I usually round up to the next nearest 100 p or if close to the 100 p then I'll add in a 50 extra anyway.

I use Grab more than taxi, fixed fare, I use grab pay which gives me more points to higher status and preferred booking status. More than taxi but more reliable and there is a record of your ride so no losing the chit if you have one.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225085]Again, this recent spat of overcharging and turning off the meter might be weather related; its been a while since I have experienced it.[/QUOTE]I experience it all the time, when I'm there. But I look and sound like a tourist. One reason I don't like Manila.

The drivers do have a legitimate argument, since traffic is bad, and their incomes are low. But there are so many poor people out there.

I don't mind, and I enjoy tipping. But I hate to pay the foreigner-only surcharge.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2225117]If they ask for 50 over meter, that just comes out of their tip. I usually round up to the next nearest 100 p or if close to the 100 p then I'll add in a 50 extra anyway.[/QUOTE]A few months ago I had a regular white cab driver take me from Malate to Terminal 3. He tried to negotiate a rate rather than turn on the meter. I had already planned to tip him 70 pesos over the meter. But I told him, "I'll give you 50 over the meter. " "Okay. " he turned on the meter. He has no idea that he screwed himself out of 20 pesos.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2225142]The drivers do have a legitimate argument, since traffic is bad, and their incomes are low. But there are so many poor people out there.[/QUOTE]Concur, when traffic is bad. But the last few days in Malate has seen very light traffic. In all of my examples, there was very light traffic. However there was wind and / or rain, and I think the drivers were just taking advantage. I believe I mentioned on the board in late July that I went to Intramuros one afternoon, there was heavy rain and traffic. Instead of asking for +50 (or similar) for the heavy traffic, that driver also attempted the no-meter gestapo tactics. My suggestion: keep quiet, and at the end of the ride hand the driver a reasonable fare, and walk away. He's not going to dick over any of that. I've been using this tactic for several years now. No driver is going to call the police (after not using his meter), and he can't get another fare without you departing his vehicle (if he won't take your reasonable amount, he can't get on to his next customer). He may be disappointed to get 200 instead of 500, but he lives to fight another day (fare). He also learns that applying the foreigner tax doesn't always work.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225152]My suggestion: keep quiet, and at the end of the ride hand the driver a reasonable fare, and walk away. He's not going to dick over any of that. I've been using this tactic for several years now. No driver is going to call the police (after not using his meter),[/QUOTE]I would be paranoid about getting into a physical beef with the taxi driver. But I guess I could see that he himself doesn't want a physical confrontation when he's trying to scam people. Your suggestion of keeping quiet is definitely correct since there's the thing about losing face, then he might be "forced" to take verbal and maybe physical action.

Definitely now worried about him calling the police, since he's illegally trying to overcharge me.

Another example of why you should always have exact change.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2225149]A few months ago I had a regular white cab driver take me from Malate to Terminal 3. He tried to negotiate a rate rather than turn on the meter. I had already planned to tip him 70 pesos over the meter. But I told him, "I'll give you 50 over the meter. " "Okay. " he turned on the meter. He has no idea that he screwed himself out of 20 pesos.[/QUOTE]A couple of days ago, my car was in the shop, and here in Davao, where I normally drive my own car, I took a taxi. The taxi driver was charming, spoke excellent English, and was fun to engage in conversation. I asked him how much he had to pay each day to rent the taxi he drove. The response was either Php1,500 or 1,800, I don't remember. I asked how much each day he spent on fuel, to which he responded Php1,000. So, before a taxi driver starts his day, he knows that the first Php2,500-2,800 in fares will just go to cover his expenses. I then asked him how long he worked each day and he told me that he started at 5 AM and finished at 8 PM, every day.

Yes, cheating foreigners is morally wrong, but try to put the acts into context.

GE.

About two years ago I did a side trip to Cubao using LRT 1 and 2. Decided to take a taxi on my way back to Malate. It was rush hour around 4 ish and the driver ask for 100 on top of the meter. I said OK. The trip took us 3 hours and total cost was 280 if I remember correctly. I handed him a 500 bill and said he does not have change. I told him that I don't need the change. He smile and was very happy about it. On my part, it feels good to make someone happy even for just CAD $3.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2225250]Yes, cheating foreigners is morally wrong, but try to put the acts into context.

GE.[/QUOTE]I've asked many drivers the costs for renting / operating for the day. Some days the driver will lose at the end of the day (example: bad weather means fewer people standing / walking outside needing a taxi), and others he might make bank (a bit like farming). None of that (IMO) justifies cheating foreigners (which puts the Racism card in play) or anyone else. I would much rather the driver negotiate up front a higher-than-meter fare, or refuse to take me, rather than be surprised with cheating. I also recognize the culture in Phils is immature, and often condones lying / cheating; many people here would take the driver's side, hence a cultural divide.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225152]Concur, when traffic is bad. But the last few days in Malate has seen very light traffic. In all of my examples, there was very light traffic. However there was wind and / or rain, and I think the drivers were just taking advantage. I believe I mentioned on the board in late July that I went to Intramuros one afternoon, there was heavy rain and traffic. Instead of asking for +50 (or similar) for the heavy traffic, that driver also attempted the no-meter gestapo tactics. My suggestion: keep quiet, and at the end of the ride hand the driver a reasonable fare, and walk away. He's not going to dick over any of that. I've been using this tactic for several years now. No driver is going to call the police (after not using his meter), and he can't get another fare without you departing his vehicle (if he won't take your reasonable amount, he can't get on to his next customer). He may be disappointed to get 200 instead of 500, but he lives to fight another day (fare). He also learns that applying the foreigner tax doesn't always work.[/QUOTE]I've had this happen to me a couple times, the driver doesn't turn on the meter after I've asked him to. So when we get to the drop off point I get out of the car and he usually complains. One time I called over the Police Officer on the street corner and told him, the driver didn't turn on the meter. The Police Officer told me if there is no fare, you don't have to pay! Hard lesson to learn for the driver but I told him to turn on the meter.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2225476]I've had this happen to me a couple times, the driver doesn't turn on the meter after I've asked him to. So when we get to the drop off point I get out of the car and he usually complains. One time I called over the Police Officer on the street corner and told him, the driver didn't turn on the meter. The Police Officer told me if there is no fare, you don't have to pay! Hard lesson to learn for the driver but I told him to turn on the meter.[/QUOTE]You are lucky that the police officer was honest and said the correct thing. He could have joined in with the cabbie to shake you down for 500 or 1,000 by saying that it was a crime to leave a cab without paying or something like that then sharing the "no receipt on the spot fine" with the cabbie.

That is why I almost always have them use the meter or take a grab, less room for argument.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225421]None of that (IMO) justifies cheating foreigners (which puts the Racism card in play) or anyone else. I would much rather the driver negotiate up front a higher-than-meter fare, or refuse to take me, rather than be surprised with cheating. I also recognize the culture in Phils is immature, and often condones lying / cheating; many people here would take the driver's side, hence a cultural divide.[/QUOTE]I agree, it's not a justification and was intended solely as an explanation. Just as an aside, I'm told that the cheating doesn't happen often in Davao, where the penalties are severe and, I believe, imposed by the local government. I might have a chance to find out more about this as driving here is becoming ever more of a hassle, much the way it has been for years in Manila and Cebu. Davao streets are getting every more intensely clogged, and there's no obvious solution to the quick improvement of inner city transportation issues. The driving behavior is as insane as ever and it may make more sense soon to start taking taxis during the rush hour periods.

GE.

So I showered and rushed outside to see what I could find as this was my first time in Phils. It had started to pour and I was forced to huddle under some street corner shelter on the corner near Filling Station. This is in that Makati place. Maybe I'm posting in the wrong spot. Can someone help me move it. One of them offers a massage and I am totally shocked by how good this girl looks. She wanted 3000, I said how long, she said 1 or 2 hours, I said 4, she said OK, I asked how long till 9 am, she said 5000, I said OK. So we use her umbrella to back to the room and get comfortable. I told her I had stuff to do on my phone so could she just put her head on my thigh, play with her phone and me at the same time. She was happy and we stayed like that till she said she was hungry, so we went out. Ah, we didn't have condoms because she grabbed me within a minute of me walking outside and because it was raining. So we walked to the 7/11 and got them and I let her pay after handing her a 1000 and then at dinner I handed her more money and let her pay. Here (like an idiot) I started falling in love with her looks already and handed her some money said I wanted her to stay for a few days, maybe 3000. As you have guessed already, she had the money and now didn't need to stay, but I was fairly confident that I was nice enough and had enticed her with the thought is a generous 'idiot" for the next few days. Anyway, back to the room, did the deed, fell more deeply for her and started to snooze. At 4 am she said he mum had called and wanted her to come home and that now mum was not answering the phone. She said she would come back at 7 am and asked if it was OK. I knew what was going to happen but still hoped I could trust her. She left and never returned. She left her umbrella behind and I messaged her the next day when it was raining that I still had it and was using it but that she could come and get it. She texted back that she would like it but my reply was that she could as long as she gave me half my money back. Stupid, boring story, but just another lesson that I should have learned before.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225421] I also recognize the culture in Phils is immature, and often condones lying / cheating; many people here would take the driver's side, hence a cultural divide.[/QUOTE]Does cultural maturity necessarily lead to honesty and straight-forward business dealings? Perhaps it's institutions that mature, not necessarily the culture. So institutional maturity, in theory at least, creates confidence among most members of society that the institutions operate as stipulated and are designed so that everybody gets more or less equal treatment. Yet there is evidence in the states that honesty is no longer an institutional requisite at some high levels. I've heard that the Washington Post is maintaining some sort of lie / fabrication count, and it ought to give us pause as to our own institutional maturity.

I agree that there is a sort of cultural divide in the moment when we Westerners experience these situations. When I am in one of these situations I get hooked by the cabbie trying to avoid using the meter when he and I both know the LTFRB rules. My own cultural "bias" toward lawfulness is why I get hooked. At that point I feel irritated and sometimes decide to teach the guy a lesson, such as screwing him out of the additional 20 pesos he would have gotten from my tip if he had simply turned on the meter. Other times I am willing to negotiate, recognizing that he may be facing problems with traffic or no return fare. So perhaps the behavior that doesn't fit culturally is my short temper, and maybe life feels better and lasts longer when we successfully absorb some of the laid back aspects of Filipino culture.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2225520] The driving behavior is as insane as ever and it may make more sense soon to start taking taxis during the rush hour periods.[/QUOTE]GE in 2018 I have only been using Grab cars, taxi and trikes. Last two years of riding motorbikes has taken its mental toll. I find I am in a much better mood at work and generally more productive. Compared to the cost of driving myself it I a little less convenient but the trade off is happiness and no accidents.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2225879]....
My own cultural "bias" toward lawfulness is why I get hooked.
......

So perhaps the behavior that doesn't fit culturally is my short temper, and maybe life feels better and lasts longer when we successfully absorb some of the laid back aspects of Filipino culture.[/QUOTE]Life here is a lot easier once you completely accept that the "rules" are merely suggestions.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2225948]Life here is a lot easier once you completely accept that the "rules" are merely suggestions.[/QUOTE]There are many rules and laws. Reading them brings confidence. Until you realize that enforcement is non-existent or unfunded.

I would love to capture actions pictures of.

"Strictly No Smoking" signs surrounded by smokers.

"Motorcycle helmets must be worn" sign being passed by 5 person family on a scooter. Latest bub in mom's arms.

"Clark is now a plastic packaging free zone - 2016" and sit outside the Jollibee and every other food outlet.

Signs are suggestions or maybe aspirations.

P.S: [URL]https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/53867/Pea-Plastic-ban-in-Clark[/URL].

BD.

I understand and appreciate the situation, but that still does not justify cheating tourists / foreigners. I am perfectly willing to pay higher fares, let them raise the metered fare to something livable. Then you don't have to deal with this haggling and harrassment whenever you get into a taxi.

Speaking of higher fares, has anyone noticed Grab prices being substantially higher ever since uber left the market?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2225250]A couple of days ago, my car was in the shop, and here in Davao, where I normally drive my own car, I took a taxi. The taxi driver was charming, spoke excellent English, and was fun to engage in conversation. I asked him how much he had to pay each day to rent the taxi he drove. The response was either Php1,500 or 1,800, I don't remember. I asked how much each day he spent on fuel, to which he responded Php1,000. So, before a taxi driver starts his day, he knows that the first Php2,500-2,800 in fares will just go to cover his expenses. I then asked him how long he worked each day and he told me that he started at 5 AM and finished at 8 PM, every day.

Yes, cheating foreigners is morally wrong, but try to put the acts into context.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2225944]GE in 2018 I have only been using Grab cars, taxi and trikes. Last two years of riding motorbikes has taken its mental toll. I find I am in a much better mood at work and generally more productive. Compared to the cost of driving myself it I a little less convenient but the trade off is happiness and no accidents.[/QUOTE]I get it, believe me. I want access to my own car just to retain my mental health, but I understand those who just refuse to drive here.

GE.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2226104]Speaking of higher fares, has anyone noticed Grab prices being substantially higher ever since uber left the market?[/QUOTE]I noticed the high Grab prices right off. Not only are the prices high, but I usually have to wait for Grab while many taxis are passing by. Then to add insult to injury I almost missed my flight last week because I clicked the shared ride by mistake so he went to pick up other people during rush hour. E en by doing the shared option it was higher than a regular taxi would have been. Then I think if I would have gotten a solo Grab it was like 100 pesos more than the shared one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226134]I noticed the high Grab prices right off. Not only are the prices high, but I usually have to wait for Grab while many taxis are passing by. Then to add insult to injury I almost missed my flight last week because I clicked the shared ride by mistake so he went to pick up other people during rush hour. E en by doing the shared option it was higher than a regular taxi would have been. Then I think if I would have gotten a solo Grab it was like 100 pesos more than the shared one.[/QUOTE]I'd be happy if Grab doubled prices. That way there would be fewer riders chasing more drives and you would not have to wait as long.

Taxi is not an option if you want to get picked up in a residential neighborhood where cabs generally do not go to drop off people. Flagging one down on the street is impossible. If airport or major hotel pickup, cabs are a viable option and usually quickly available.

When I leave my block, there is often cabs arriving with a passenger and I can just get in right away. The cabbie is happy to have a fare with no dead time.

However to leave a place where taxi's don't go like to pick up a girl from her house to bring her here, Grab is the best option. Grab also lets me pay on my account so no issues sending cab fare to the girl ahead of time, and you can track her movements en route. I like to go downstairs and help them get through security.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2226104]I am perfectly willing to pay higher fares, let them raise the metered fare to something livable. Then you don't have to deal with this haggling and harrassment whenever you get into a taxi.[/QUOTE]I doubt that's going to happen. Filipinos are good at organizing "people's organizations" that represent their various marginal interest groups: tricycle drivers, jeepney drivers, street-side fruit vendors, and so on. There are even some umbrella organizations around Manila that lobby politicians on behalf of these little organizations. But the general outcome is that, because the individuals in these groups are poor, any gains from their organizing are marginal at best, keeping them from backsliding further. Real power is in the hands of several dozen families who control provincial property and metro economic interests. Taxi drivers simply lack the clout to change their circumstances, and nobody else is interested in fixing these things for them.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225421]I've asked many drivers the costs for renting / operating for the day. Some days the driver will lose at the end of the day (example: bad weather means fewer people standing / walking outside needing a taxi), and others he might make bank (a bit like farming). None of that (IMO) justifies cheating foreigners (which puts the Racism card in play) or anyone else. I would much rather the driver negotiate up front a higher-than-meter fare, or refuse to take me, rather than be surprised with cheating. I also recognize the culture in Phils is immature, and often condones lying / cheating; many people here would take the driver's side, hence a cultural divide.[/QUOTE]Usually the working poor take the side of the working poor (except in the United States and Singapore where they rabidly support the filthy rich). As a note of clarity: taxi drivers sometimes lose money in most countries. It even happens in New York City on a regular basis, and it happened long before Grab or Uber came around.

That's the risk of running a business. Taxi drivers are mostly small business owners. A lot of coffee shops and restaurants go out of business. I don't see anyone volunteering to pay double for a cup of Joe.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2225152] My suggestion: keep quiet, and at the end of the ride hand the driver a reasonable fare, and walk away. He's not going to dick over any of that. I've been using this tactic for several years now. No driver is going to call the police (after not using his meter), and he can't get another fare without you departing his vehicle (if he won't take your reasonable amount, he can't get on to his next customer). He may be disappointed to get 200 instead of 500, but he lives to fight another day (fare). He also learns that applying the foreigner tax doesn't always work.[/QUOTE]American Man Killed by Thai Taxi Driver for Refusing to Pay 53 Cent Fare: [URL]https://tastythailand.com/american-killed-by-thai-taxi-driver-for-refusing-to-pay-53-cent-fare/[/URL].

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226575].....

I don't see anyone volunteering to pay double for a cup of Joe.[/QUOTE]Been to Starbucks lately?

If I could not get a cup of coffee because all the coffee shops were full of people buying lower priced coffee, I would make the decision to either pay double at a place I could get into or going without the coffee.

I'd prefer to pay double for my Grab rides if I could get a booking every try. I have spend longer in trying to make a booking than it would take to walk and we are talking about a 4 to 5 km ride. More than an hour in the app trying to get the ride booked, then about a 30 minute wait for the driver to show up hoping all the time that he was not going to cancel before he got there. (Would have just about made it there and back on foot by the time Grab got me there.).

I have platinum status on Grab which is supposed to prioritize my rides.

The problem is the taxi board is limiting drivers to 65,000 for all cabs plus grab. With about 10,000 licensed drivers no longer active and no purging of the inactive drivers, we get a situation with insufficient numbers of drivers for the demand. The solution is to either expand the number of available drivers and or increase the prices to encourage drivers to work more and fewer people to take rides.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226577]American Man Killed by Thai Taxi Driver for Refusing to Pay 53 Cent Fare: [URL]https://tastythailand.com/american-killed-by-thai-taxi-driver-for-refusing-to-pay-53-cent-fare/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I was in Jamaica a long time ago when a German tourist was killed in an altercation over a spilled cup of soup worth two bits.

To me it is not worth getting into an argument, let alone assaulted or having the police involved or even killed over a sum that is of absolutely no consequence to me but significant to the local. If I am ripped off the 50 p or so means a lot more to the local than to me and not worth getting worked up over.

I pay double or triple for a good cup of coffee in a foreign country. I pay double or triple for a great fuck. I pay double or triple for a great meal. I am not alone in this.

I am willing to pay extra for the value. Sometimes the cheapest is not the cheapest!

In my profession I easily charge double and get it. I pass on cheap Charlies simply because they do not understand the value of anything nor the economics of it.

Now sex related, I have paid double and have received triple value.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226577]American Man Killed by Thai Taxi Driver for Refusing to Pay 53 Cent Fare: [URL]https://tastythailand.com/american-killed-by-thai-taxi-driver-for-refusing-to-pay-53-cent-fare/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'll bite. The situation in BKK was not analagous with the situation in Manila. In BKK, the driver was appropriately running his meter, and the customer was being an asshole (not saying he deserved what happened). In my case in Manila, several drivers in a row purposely attempted a scam. However I think your point is that at anytime someone other than yourself (the driver in the BKK case) could go off the rails and do something stupid.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226638]I was in Jamaica a long time ago when a German tourist was killed in an altercation over a spilled cup of soup worth two bits.

To me it is not worth getting into an argument, let alone assaulted or having the police involved or even killed over a sum that is of absolutely no consequence to me but significant to the local. If I am ripped off the 50 p or so means a lot more to the local than to me and not worth getting worked up over.[/QUOTE]The drivers in Manila are ripping you off for considerably more than p50. At what point over p50 do you not put up with that? If the driver makes his normal profit today driving his cab, and overcharges half a dozen fares today by p300 each, then in one day he is earning 3 day's profit (is my math off). The drivers I was speaking of weren't negotiating up front extra pay for more difficult traffic (traffic was light), they were simply scamming by not turning on the meter and asking an exorbitant price later. Drivers rarely say anything when I hand them a reasonable fare. In fact, the ripoff situation for me seems to happen much less frequently than it does for other gents. Other than the recent set, its rare for me that a driver (anywhere in Phils) has pulled this (many years ago this was fairly common).

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2225162]I would be paranoid about getting into a physical beef with the taxi driver.[/QUOTE]Never. I'm never paranoid about such. Can't live like that. There is a trusted system in place already: the metered fare (with addition for traffic and such) which is known up front. Drivers (and customers, such as the BKK fella) who violate that really are assholes. Being afraid that they 'might' react poorly really is paranoia. Its akin to being afraid that my mother might get a machette and hack me to death for that time that I didn't mow the grass when I was 14 years old. Don't let that BKK thing scare you; you'd be afraid everytime you got into a taxi.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2226639]I pay double or triple for a good cup of coffee in a foreign country. I pay double or triple for a great fuck. I pay double or triple for a great meal. I am not alone in this.[/QUOTE]Question: How do you know the first time (before you buy) that its a great cup of coffee, great f*ck, or great meal?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2226734]Question: How do you know the first time (before you buy) that its a great cup of coffee, great f*ck, or great meal?[/QUOTE]That is the same question I had. I figured he just waited til the end and added the double and triple as a tip.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226575]Usually the working poor take the side of the working poor (except in the United States and Singapore where they rabidly support the filthy rich).

(snip)

That's the risk of running a business. Taxi drivers are mostly small business owners. [/QUOTE]Chuckle. I agree that in the states poor people often vote against their economic interests. Two possible explanations. One, many are not very bright and are easily duped by smart people with money and access to a public microphone to use in marketing and lobbying to protect (and increase) their own wealth. Two, in a country that entertains the individualistic value that people succeed by pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, many poor people entertain the myth that they too will someday be wealthy, so they want institutions in place that will support their imagined future run at riches. I'd love to know why this pattern exists in Singapore as well.

Keep in mind that most taxi drivers in the Philippines, as elsewhere, do not own their own taxis. So cab drivers are small business owners only in the sense that they own their own time. In the Philippines most taxis are owned in fleets by wealthier individuals. In an earlier post GE explained the substantial daily lease that drivers pay to owners, in addition to paying for the fuel they consume. So profit for the fleet owners turns only indirectly on the individual fare rates. More directly, their profit turns on the daily lease rate that they charge to the drivers. So the politics about fares affects the drivers more directly than the owners, and, as I suggested earlier, the drivers, as poor people, don't heft very much clout in changing the system.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2226734]Question: How do you know the first time (before you buy) that its a great cup of coffee, great f*ck, or great meal?[/QUOTE]I am looking at 3 restaurants. One charges 500 p for a meal, one charges 1000 p and the other charges 1500 p for a meal. The description on them all reads the same.

Is it the same meal, offered with the same service or is one served on paper plates and plastic cutlery in a stand up eating place. Is one served on fine dishes with table cloths and well trained wait staff? Granted all will satisfy your physical hunger but some will satisfy you in a more pleasurable manner than the others.

There are ways to judge the offering before committing, sometimes we are wrong and the fine dining has a tough steak, it may be false advertising or it may just be that they had an off night. The stand up street food may turn out to be delicious and very satisfying or it may give you a serious case of the trots. There is only one guarantee in this life and that is that you will not get out of it alive.

Experienced mongers can tell if the lady is a low class meth head with no redeeming qualities other than accessible orifices and a different lady is a higher class educated woman who will be a pleasure to be with not only sexually but as a companion for either ST or LT. The clues may be harder to discover than in the case of a greasy spoon diner and a fine restaurant but they are there if you know where to look. Sometimes just treating the lady with respect and showing that you are not a low class cheap Charley during the negotiations can be the determining factor.

If you are so scared that the fine dining will not live up to its promises that you only eat at the greasy spoons, then you are not taking the slight risk in trying and experiencing the finer things in life.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226814]I am looking at 3 restaurants. One charges 500 p for a meal, one charges 1000 p and the other charges 1500 p for a meal. The description on them all reads the same.

Experienced mongers can tell if the lady is a low class meth head with no redeeming qualities other than accessible orifices and a different lady is a higher class educated woman who will be a pleasure to be with not only sexually but as a companion for either ST or LT. The clues may be harder to discover than in the case of a greasy spoon diner and a fine restaurant but they are there if you know where to look. Sometimes just treating the lady with respect and showing that you are not a low class cheap Charley during the negotiations can be the determining factor.

If you are so scared that the fine dining will not live up to its promises that you only eat at the greasy spoons, then you are not taking the slight risk in trying and experiencing the finer things in life.[/QUOTE]A few things wrong in your post. First, all women have a pussy. How much money she has or how much money she charges you has nothing to do with how good her pussy or sex is.

Second, speaking on price points a prime example is that you can go into a soapie in Thailand where chicks wear different badges to specify how much you have to pay. You can go in one day and a chick has on a $70 badge and go in next week and the same chick has a $50 badge. What more would you get the day she has on the $70 badge?

Third, from the Bogota thread the other day. It is often said that in the cheap ghetto area of Santa Fe you can find the same chicks that you will see in more upscale places. Many guys never believe it, but those of us in the know know how true it is. One guy posted a report 2 days ago about his first trip going to Santa Fe and he saw a chick that he had known from an upscale place working in the hood for way cheaper.

I have also reported a few months back talking to a chick in a $30 hooker spot in Thailand that said at night she goes to her second job which is a spot that costs you over $100. So how would this chick's pussy felt any different by picking her up at the $120 spot over the $30 spot? In either circumstance would this experienced monger (that you have named) have looked at the chick at the cheaper spot and "known" she was worth way more or would he have looked at her at the more expensive spot and "known" she was not worth that much?

Fourth, why would you assume a higher class educated woman's sex would be any better than a chick that dropped out of preschool? And if she was that higher class and educated then more than likely she would not be flat-backing. When you show me the porn star with the PhD I will retract that statement.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2226639]I pay double or triple Sometimes the cheapest is not the cheapest!

In my profession I easily charge double and get it.[/QUOTE]You must work in sales. I understand what you are saying but as others have pointed out the price paid does not always reflect the value received. I pay my main squeeze in the Caribbean 4000 pesos (roughly $88), twice the normal amount, but she's drop dead gorgeous 42 F cup tits (not fat) and lets me video the whole thing, always provides superb service with a big smile. She's fucking awesome!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226847]A few things wrong in your post. First, all women have a pussy. How much money she has or how much money she charges you has nothing to do with how good her pussy or sex is.

...[/QUOTE]Obviously you view women as simply the means of conveying around orifices that are all identical and interchangeable. You don't see women as having any redeeming social value except to have orifices into which you will stick your dick.

I truly feel sorry for you. You don't know what you are missing.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226859]Obviously you view women as simply the means of conveying around orifices that are all identical and interchangeable. You don't see women as having any redeeming social value except to have orifices into which you will stick your dick.

I truly feel sorry for you. You don't know what you are missing.[/QUOTE]How is that obvious? We are talking about prostitutes here; women that actively exchange sex for money. Of course I am not going to treat anyone in a negative manner, but no I do not look at them as my friend or someone to feel special about. We are conducting business. I have women that are not prostitutes that I can feel genuinely as such about. I'm not about paying someone to allow me to feel special about them. I am paying them to fuck them and not to get emotions or sentiments involved.

Unless I misunderstood your post, I interpreted you as saying that the better you treat the hooker and the more you are willing to shell out to her or on her, then the better the sex will be. That is why it threw me off when you started talking about not showing her you are a low class Cheap Charlie. I'm thinking what does she care, she is in it for a set fee to begin with. As long as she gets the X amount of pesos in the agreement she should not care what you are. I will tell a chick in a minute. Of course I have money, but that does not mean I am going to give it to you or spend it on you. Call me cheap all you want. It is always the broke chick that will call you cheap in order to guilt you into spending money on her. I didn't pay all that money for school to fall for Mickey Mouse shit like that.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226859]Obviously you view women as simply the means of conveying around orifices that are all identical and interchangeable. You don't see women as having any redeeming social value except to have orifices into which you will stick your dick.[/QUOTE]The issue with Philippines is the blurred lines. There are Filipinas that are clearly setup in the traditional way of western prosti. Then there are the part-time freelancers that go with foreigners knowing that they will get some reward. Further still are the Filipina that will not consider themselves as being paid for sex but are happy knowing that they get extra cash for their family, study, house etc.

Over the past two years I've paid for a lot of sex in Philippines very little of which has been spent in commercial setups with prosti.

For me I am paying for the image of a 'partner' rather than just a sex.

BD.

Hi Seniors.

Will be visiting first time philipones, so quite excited about same. If any fellow member have time to catch during October (25_28), do ping or reply.

Thank you.

Inblr01.

Bangalore.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226865]How is that obvious? We are talking about prostitutes here; women that actively exchange sex for money. Of course I am not going to treat anyone in a negative manner, but no I do not look at them as my friend or someone to feel special about. We are conducting business. [/QUOTE]Wouldn't a blow-up doll or a battery-operated masturbation tube be cheaper in the long run?

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226630]Been to Starbucks lately?[/QUOTE]Hell no. I wouldn't drink that burnt garbage if it was free. I have been to Doi Chang several times though. I pay the price listed on the menu like everyone else.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2226639]I pay double or triple for a good cup of coffee in a foreign country. I pay double or triple for a great fuck. I pay double or triple for a great meal. I am not alone in this.[/QUOTE]LOL!

Do you do that voluntarily or what? Most things like coffee and sex are less expensive throughout Southeast Asia than in the West. I wonder how you do that? Just triple the menu price for a cappuccino and hand it over? Does it make your coffee taste better?

An iced latte where I live in Asia is $2. Back in the US it would be $3 - $5. What should I do oh wizard of the economics?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2226728]I'll bite. The situation in BKK was not analagous with the situation in Manila. In BKK, the driver was appropriately running his meter, and the customer was being an asshole (not saying he deserved what happened). In my case in Manila, several drivers in a row purposely attempted a scam. However I think your point is that at anytime someone other than yourself (the driver in the BKK case) could go off the rails and do something stupid.[/QUOTE]That's one of my points. Business owners who rip off others for a living don't tend to be the most humanistic of people. It's not out of the realm of possibilities for something similar to happen in the Philippines for even less, especially if someone attempts to just walk away as you suggest. After all the murder rate per 100,000 people in Thailand is a relatively high 3. 24 while in the Philippines it's a whopping 11.32!

One of the many reasons I visit the Philippines less than any other country in Southeast Asia (except Brunei) even though I'm a short flight away is stuff like this. Some Bangkok taxis try it on, but you can always find a legit driver quickly. In a place like Manila they base their life around ripping people off. It's disheartening and disgusting.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2226805]Chuckle. I agree that in the states poor people often vote against their economic interests. Two possible explanations. One, many are not very bright and are easily duped by smart people with money and access to a public microphone to use in marketing and lobbying to protect (and increase) their own wealth. Two, in a country that entertains the individualistic value that people succeed by pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, many poor people entertain the myth that they too will someday be wealthy, so they want institutions in place that will support their imagined future run at riches. I'd love to know why this pattern exists in Singapore as well.

Keep in mind that most taxi drivers in the Philippines, as elsewhere, do not own their own taxis. So cab drivers are small business owners only in the sense that they own their own time. In the Philippines most taxis are owned in fleets by wealthier individuals. In an earlier post GE explained the substantial daily lease that drivers pay to owners, in addition to paying for the fuel they consume. So profit for the fleet owners turns only indirectly on the individual fare rates. More directly, their profit turns on the daily lease rate that they charge to the drivers. So the politics about fares affects the drivers more directly than the owners, and, as I suggested earlier, the drivers, as poor people, don't heft very much clout in changing the system.[/QUOTE]If they don't have a boss and work for a wage they're independent contractors. That is, they're small business owners. Doesn't matter if they rent tools. Construction guys often rent tools too, like heavy machinery when they need it. They can't buy it so they rent. They're small business owners, not big business. Still business though.

Small business owners don't have much clout, just like homeless people and the unemployed. They are individualistic, not united, and incapable of shutting anything down. Big corporations control vast swaths of the economy. They can shut down things with a single command. They also have enormous sway over the government. Subway drivers in New York have a lot of clout. They're organized, united, and capable of bringing the biggest city in the US to a halt. That's just how it goes.

If someone doesn't like driving a taxi, or if it proves to be an unprofitable business, they could always try getting another job. Or they could murder a passenger over fifty cents instead. Either way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226847]It is often said that in the cheap ghetto area of Santa Fe you can find the same chicks that you will see in more upscale places. Many guys never believe it, but those of us in the know know how true it is. [/QUOTE]Yep! In Phnom Penh all the ladies who charge unwitting Asian guys $200 for a 20 minute fuck at Darlin Darlin are seen at Pontoon and similar places after hours drunk where they easily agree to fuck white and Khmer guys for $30, or even for free!

Guys DG8787 is a joke, as I've been informed. Look through some of his posts.

[QUOTE=Dg8787]3 months ago I took the Yellow taxi from T1 a Pasay hotel. As he left the airport I reminded him to turn on the meter. He acted like he did but didn't. At the hotel he said the meter must have broke and said 400 for about a 120 pesos fare. I got my bags out and had the hotel people take them inside. I paid him 150 and afterwards realized I was too nice about it. This time I wasn't.

2 times out of 2 trys and I am believing this is standard operating procedure again for Yellow taxis. I suggest we make this our SOP to patiently get your bags out and walk away if this happens to you.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2136847&viewfull=1#post2136847[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dg8787]I arrived at Terminal 1 and got a Yellow taxi to Makati hotel. We took the skyway and there was no traffic to speak of. Getting on to the skyway I noticed the meter was already past 200. I mentioned he had a fast meter but he said it was working fine. By the time we got to my hotel the meter was 675 pesos. I just patiently got my bags out and got the hotel guys to take my baggage inside then confronted the driver about the meter. I said usual charge was 250 and I would pay him that. He proceeded to argue about it and I dropped my offer down to 150.

Then he said he would take 250 and I told him that it was too late for 250. He argued a bit more and I decided to screw him and walked away. My last words to him was "you tried to screw me and now I am screwing you, you lost today".[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2136469&viewfull=1#post2136469[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dg8787]I pay double or triple for a good cup of coffee in a foreign country. I pay double or triple for a great fuck. I pay double or triple for a great meal. I am not alone in this.

I am willing to pay extra for the value. Sometimes the cheapest is not the cheapest!

In my profession I easily charge double and get it. I pass on cheap Charlies simply because they do not understand the value of anything nor the economics of it.

Now sex related, I have paid double and have received triple value.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2226639&viewfull=1#post2226639[/URL]

He pays double and triple for everything without problem, unless it's a yellow taxi. Then he's a cheap charlie. LOL!

Hi guys,

I've known and girl for sometime and she agreed for threesome with a friend of hers. I'm visiting Manila again this week, want to try that with her. Anyone can tell me how to get two girls into a room in hotel? (4/5 Star). I mean do I book fir 2 people and just have the second girl come up directly or hotel creates issues? Any advice?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2226639].....

In my profession I easily charge double and get it. I pass on cheap Charlies simply because they do not understand the value of anything nor the economics of it.

......[/QUOTE]I ran an independent consultancy for a few years. After getting a few assignments to build my credibility, I doubled my prices. This also doubled my business or quadrupled my income. One client when informed of my doubling my rates said that he was initially not going to hire me because if I thought that I was only worth my initial rate then I was not worth his business. I explained that the initial rate was a bit of a loss leader to get the initial track record established and he laughed while signing a contract at the new rate.

There is a tendency to value something based on what you pay for it but I always found in business that if you treat your suppliers well they will return the favour in some manner, either faster delivery, upgrades, advance notice of new products and sales or making you a favoured customer when supplies are tight. You treat them well by not quibbling over nickles and dimes, paying promptly and accepting that they are human and will also make occasional mistakes.

Mongering business is the same. The girls are experts at sizing us up, they know when they are going with a gentleman or a cheap charlie and act accordingly.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226945]LOL!

Do you do that voluntarily or what? Most things like coffee and sex are less expensive throughout Southeast Asia than in the West. I wonder how you do that? Just triple the menu price for a cappuccino and hand it over? Does it make your coffee taste better?

An iced latte where I live in Asia is $2. Back in the US it would be $3 - $5. What should I do oh wizard of the economics?[/QUOTE]Quality is the key word here. It is hard to find a good cup of coffee in PH. A good cup of coffee costing twice as much as a cheap cup is worth it to me. I voluntary pay the double price for a cup of good quality coffee.

A quality night fucking a beautiful girl is worth twice the price of a regular girl to me. Yes, I voluntary pay it.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2226921]Wouldn't a blow-up doll or a battery-operated masturbation tube be cheaper in the long run?[/QUOTE]LOL. Man I don't even like fucking the same woman over and over. You think I am going to want to fuck the same blow up doll? For me it is about the variety, and not a hole to fuck or someone to make me feel special. And my mix usually consists of 70% non-pros and 30% chicks I have to pay. So I don't need the pocket pussy at all.

[QUOTE=DCups;2226857]You must work in sales. I understand what you are saying but as others have pointed out the price paid does not always reflect the value received. I pay my main squeeze in the Caribbean 4000 pesos (roughly $88), twice the normal amount, but she's drop dead gorgeous 42 F cup tits (not fat) and lets me video the whole thing, always provides superb service with a big smile. She's fucking awesome![/QUOTE]I am in the investment field. I know the value of a dollar.

True others have not received value for the price paid as I have too. And other times we have received more than the price paid.

You have paid your girl double and have received more than double in value.

[QUOTE=KoolKid;2226959]Hi guys,

I've known and girl for sometime and she agreed for threesome with a friend of hers. I'm visiting Manila again this week, want to try that with her. Anyone can tell me how to get two girls into a room in hotel? (4/5 Star). I mean do I book fir 2 people and just have the second girl come up directly or hotel creates issues? Any advice?[/QUOTE]Best advice I can give you is walk in with one girl first. Usually if it is at night the security and front desk ask for I. The. If they keep the I. The you are out of luck. If they do not go to the room wait for an hour or so and go out and bring the other girl in as long as the hotel has no issues with you having one girl because you booked for two people.

If this works assuming the front desk thinks the first girl has already gone before you brought the second girl in.

Usually in the daytime nobody will bother you even if two girls come in by themselves.