Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2108693]Brilliant. Ah, memories. So any talent there now?[/QUOTE]The fat chick there at Som's Haven is a queen deepthroater. Horrible to look at though. I only pick her when I really need some throat. I don't know her name but she's the biggest and fattest one there. True deepthroaters are hard to find these days, even harder if you want the chick to be hot. There is no one there close to the level of service of the deaf girl from before. She was just completely submissive, gave great BJs and loved being assfucked.

There is a girl at Kasalong that I like as well. Her BJ is sub par but I pick her just because she is cute and I love watching her ass gape open when I rim her. Also, don't know her name.

Som at 7th Heaven gave me a surprisingly deep slurpjob before. Someone trained her well.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2108979]As referenced recently with a L0 lita's provider, some of the BJ girls rim. Does Nan?[/QUOTE]Sooooo many girls rim at the BJ bars. I was rimmed nearly everytime I went to a BJ bar this month. There was only one girl at Som's Haven who did not rim me. She also won't let me rim her. Everyone else provided willingly. Didn't even ask. I've been to SOL, Lulitas, Som's and Kasalong this month.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2108993]The fat chick there at Som's Haven is a queen deepthroater. Horrible to look at though. I only pick her when I really need some throat. I don't know her name but she's the biggest and fattest one there. True deepthroaters are hard to find these days, even harder if you want the chick to be hot. There is no one there close to the level of service of the deaf girl from before. She was just completely submissive, gave great BJs and loved being assfucked.

There is a girl at Kasalong that I like as well. Her BJ is sub par but I pick her just because she is cute and I love watching her ass gape open when I rim her. Also, don't know her name.

Som at 7th Heaven gave me a surprisingly deep slurpjob before. Someone trained her well.[/QUOTE]Headed upstairs the other day at Kasalong with who might have been Min, braces and dyed blonds hair. When we got to the room and I tried to DFK, she refused. Also told me that none of the gals there liked to DFK. Kind of a deal killer for me, so I told her thanks but no thanks and left. Guess I need to try some gals at Som's.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2108979]As referenced recently with a L0 lita's provider, some of the BJ girls rim. Does Nan?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Rimming, DFK (not necessarily in that order), takes it fairly deep (though not necessarily DT), and slurps nicely. She's friendly and takes her time. Told me she does some naughtier stuff as well (like g**den showers) if you're into that, ask (I'm not). She's manages to be super-naughty and friendly GFE at the same time.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2107225]Yes will most likely be negotiating for a 2nd pop IF I feel I can muster it. And no shame here. Admittedly, if the girl is smokin' hot, it will definitely be hard to contain my excitement & I don't mind letting her know that.

As for my intent with P4P. I'm actually not doing it much for the GFE. I actually WANT it to be a bit more mechanical / transactional. Not going to lie. Currently, paying for sex gives me a sense of "total control" that turns me on more than a GFE. I honestly don't think a GFE will ever be better for me until I meet "the one" meant for me. I know this approach differs from others here who enjoy GFE, but I'm more in the P4 P scene to simply satisfy the carnal need of sex rather than the emotional. (for now at least)....
[/QUOTE]I think it's important to clarify what "total control" means in this situation.

I also feel much more confident and in control, when I pay the lady, and she accepts my money. But this control isn't over the girl. This control is over my own feelings.

Because when I pay the lady as much as she asks, and she accepts my money, then this formal transaction is also formal consent. She agrees to have sex with me in a reasonable way. Her consent is like a promise that she won't change her mind, and she will let me do it with her from start to finish, as long as I do it with her in a reasonable way and don't hurt her in any way.

And you don't have any strong consent like this in a normal situation, where the lady is doing it for free and there is no transaction. Her consent is much more uncertain. She gives you no promise that she won't end it on a whim, without a good reason. And that's what often makes guys feel insecure in this kind of a situation. Which makes sex with the lady less enjoyable.

There is a big difference between doing it with the lady, when you feel sure and secure and when you feel uncertain and insecure. The first is much more enjoyable than the second.

When the lady has fully and truly consented with you, then you can be reasonably sure that she won't change her mind, unless you do something seriously wrong. And this enables you to relax and fully enjoy your sex with this lady, without any worries.

And for me, this is actually what GFE is all about. When I feel secure with the lady, and I enjoy it with her, then this is the GFE experience for me.

Because this is the kind of experience I would have with an ideal girlfriend, who is very nice with me, and who doesn't give me any reason to feel insecure and anxious with her. Which is possible, but not very common. Quite often couples have arguments, disagreements, and tensions, which make one or both feel unsure and insecure with each other.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2109064]Headed upstairs the other day at Kasalong with who might have been Min, braces and dyed blonds hair. When we got to the room and I tried to DFK, she refused. Also told me that none of the gals there liked to DFK. Kind of a deal killer for me, so I told her thanks but no thanks and left. Guess I need to try some gals at Som's.[/QUOTE]Min is cute sometimes but her BJ is garbage and her attitude is suspect. Even though she is young, her face without makeup is ghastly. Stopped picking her a long time ago. Lulitas has a better lineup these days, but admittedly worse facilities.

The PSE comes as an advertised package and in its truest incarnation encompasses most or all of whatever sexual experience the customer wants to indulge in. Its hardcore sex, plain and simple and its real.

The GFE is the girl pretending to enjoy kissing and cuddling. It's not real it's a fantasy trip for the punter. Kissing and cuddling are nice, I enjoy them particularly with working girls who are naturally affectionate and yes there are some still out there but I don't delude myself, well OK maybe for a minute or two on occasion. But even then I know it's not real, it's a million miles removed from the feelings I have when making love with a real girlfriend and not somebody I'm paying to be with.

I chat a lot with the girls about customers and you know the hardest part of the job for them is the kissing which is why a lot are not into it. There was a comment recently from somebody who visited Kasalong BJ bar that when he tried to kiss her she refused saying none of the girls at the shop kissed. Strange they will suck your dick take your cum in their mouth but cannot abide touching your lips. Strange world we monger through.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2108997]Sooooo many girls rim at the BJ bars. I was rimmed nearly everytime I went to a BJ bar this month. There was only one girl at Som's Haven who did not rim me. She also won't let me rim her. Everyone else provided willingly. Didn't even ask. I've been to SOL, Lulitas, Som's and Kasalong this month.[/QUOTE]Do they clean your ass before rimming or do they rim you straight during the BJ? I know in oilies the girls that rim take some time washing our ass during the shower but never experienced any rimming in BJ bars.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2109156]Do they clean your ass before rimming or do they rim you straight during the BJ? I know in oilies the girls that rim take some time washing our ass during the shower but never experienced any rimming in BJ bars.[/QUOTE]I clean my own ass beforehand if I'm in the mood for rimming. I do know one girl that doesn't like me to wash before. She likes the musky, natural smell.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2109203]I clean my own ass beforehand if I'm in the mood for rimming. I do know one girl that doesn't like me to wash before. She likes the musky, natural smell.[/QUOTE]Ah, a gal with a truly dirty mind and appetites like that is one of life's true treasures!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2109223]Ah, a gal with a truly dirty mind and appetites like that is one of life's true treasures![/QUOTE]Yep. The girls are just as dirty as we are.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2109110]The GFE is the girl pretending to enjoy kissing and cuddling. It's not real it's a fantasy trip for the punter. Kissing and cuddling are nice, I enjoy them particularly with working girls who are naturally affectionate and yes there are some still out there but I don't delude myself, well OK maybe for a minute or two on occasion. But even then I know it's not real, it's a million miles removed from the feelings I have when making love with a real girlfriend and not somebody I'm paying to be with.[/QUOTE]What is "real", anyway? Sure, you won't experience profound love during a session with a working girl, but I don't with 90% of my "real girlfriends" either so far.

There's huge difference between a GFE-style service, where the girl gives out the vibe (real or well-acted) of actually wanting to be with you (plus get the money), compared to a arm's length (or should we say, dick's length) mechanical service, where the girl does nothing to hide the fact that she'd rather grab your money and kick you out as soon as possible if she only could.

One of the main attractions of Thailand's working girls used to be that they gave off the GFE vibe of being at least somewhat happy to spend time with you, unlike most working girls elsewhere who often don't do much to hide their disdain or sometimes even disgust for the customer (or if they briefly attempt to hide it, aren't very convincing). The former is not a fantasy or a myth, but a real, and essential, part of the experience, whose absence is blatantly obvious.

Some of the exceptionally talented girls (like Ying from Tulip), even manage to make most punters feel somewhat special and having a connection with her, despite knowing that 3 other dicks have been through those 3 holes earlier in the day.

I don't think GFE boils down to mouth kissing only. It's usually an important element, I've had borderline GFE sessions with girls that didn't do much DFK or none at all. They have a right to their boundaries and peculiarities, as long as they create the proper vibe of being happy to be with you and generally strive to please, and are subtle about steering you away from the few things they dislike.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2109064]Headed upstairs the other day at Kasalong with who might have been Min, braces and dyed blonds hair. When we got to the room and I tried to DFK, she refused. Also told me that none of the gals there liked to DFK. Kind of a deal killer for me, so I told her thanks but no thanks and left. Guess I need to try some gals at Som's.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to mention these latest reports about a "Min" at Kasalong furthers my feeling that there is a different girl with that name working there now than the Minh I have known and seen working the day shift there for a few years. The lovely Minh I know is not a blonde, does not wear braces as far as I know and never would have needed them (unless it is a fashion decision she has made for some reason). And, although she might use some make up to smooth over an imperfect complexion, there is no way her basic facial features without make up would be seen as "ghastly". LOL.

Also, the Minh I have been with was not so resistant to at least a moderate version of DFK and gave a perfectly decent BJ, always being very responsive to my requests to slow down, do it more like this, less like that or whatever. Which, in reality, should put her BJ among the better ones in an environment where many girls are utterly incapable or unwilling to adjust.

In fact, the Minh I know is one of the better looking day shift girls at Kasalong who I have no longer seen sitting outside for the past 2-3 weeks, as I mentioned earlier.

Of course, girls can change their looks, performace level and demeanor over time and maybe this blonde, braces wearing, "ghastly" looking without make up, non accommodating girl named Min at Kasalong is the same girl I knew as Minh over the past few years. Which would be too bad indeed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2109329]Just wanted to mention these latest reports about a "Min" at Kasalong furthers my feeling that there is a different girl with that name working there now than the Minh I have known and seen working the day shift there for a few years. The lovely Minh I know is not a blonde, does not wear braces as far as I know and never would have needed them (unless it is a fashion decision she has made for some reason). And, although she might use some make up to smooth over an imperfect complexion, there is no way her basic facial features without make up would be seen as "ghastly". LOL.

Also, the Minh I have been with was not so resistant to at least a moderate version of DFK and gave a perfectly decent BJ, always being very responsive to my requests to slow down, do it more like this, less like that or whatever. Which, in reality, should put her BJ among the better ones in an environment where many girls are utterly incapable or unwilling to adjust.

In fact, the Minh I know is one of the better looking day shift girls at Kasalong who I have no longer seen sitting outside for the past 2-3 weeks, as I mentioned earlier.

Of course, girls can change their looks, performace level and demeanor over time and maybe this blonde, braces wearing, "ghastly" looking without make up, non accommodating girl named Min at Kasalong is the same girl I knew as Minh over the past few years. Which would be too bad indeed.[/QUOTE]Same girl. She added braces a while back. She changed her hair color recently to a blondish-orange color. She also became colder recently. Her face is riddled with acne. I've seen her with no makeup and she is definitely looked ghastly for her age but she's not ghastly in an old hag sense. LOL. I have done it all with her in the past and she was always subpar in the skills department.
All of that aside, I stopped picking her because there are cuter girls that give better BJs for the same or lower price.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2108997]Sooooo many girls rim at the BJ bars. I was rimmed nearly everytime I went to a BJ bar this month. There was only one girl at Som's Haven who did not rim me. She also won't let me rim her. Everyone else provided willingly. Didn't even ask. I've been to SOL, Lulitas, Som's and Kasalong this month.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I understand the basics, believe me. I was asking about Nan and thanks GS for the specific answer. My success rate on this topic at BJ bars is about 50%. In fact at Som's Haven about 2 years ago, when I inquired quietly with my intended provider she announced it loudly to all the girls to ridicule me. Agreeing if I paid 10,000 baht. Really it's good of you to answer and I value the specifics in reporting, not the generalities that are so prevalent here.

I made a note to get with My at SW after a report that described her "beautiful pussy" and skills at rimming. She says she is 27. Her body is all natural with a round ass (like a birthday cake, as I like to say) and small boobs with nice pink nipples. Like a 21 year old and with no baby damage. Her pussy is indeed as described. Well formed with big lips, tight and naturally wet after DATY which she really liked. She took direction well and slowed her roll as I asked. She was pleasant but in a more artificial way than most in the oilies. She also refused the pleasure of my small, 3 inch small, vibrator. Other ladies want me to give it too them as a gift after they enjoy it. She made it a point that she does not do anal which I do not either. And for the big test of just how good was she, would I repeat? Only if I thought a repeat would make it better than the first time. Oh, and she showed the tiniest frown when her tip was only 200. I tip 500 for an amazing session and this was more like a training session. So it was 1,900 baht at the counter plus tip.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2109255]What is "real", anyway? Sure, you won't experience profound love during a session with a working girl, but I don't with 90% of my "real girlfriends" either so far.

There's huge difference between a GFE-style service, where the girl gives out the vibe (real or well-acted) of actually wanting to be with you (plus get the money), compared to a arm's length (or should we say, dick's length) mechanical service, where the girl does nothing to hide the fact that she'd rather grab your money and kick you out as soon as possible if she only could.
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I don't think GFE boils down to mouth kissing only. It's usually an important element, I've had borderline GFE sessions with girls that didn't do much DFK or none at all. They have a right to their boundaries and peculiarities, as long as they create the proper vibe of being happy to be with you and generally strive to please, and are subtle about steering you away from the few things they dislike.[/QUOTE]Yes I am agreeing. The meaning of GFE, is really easy for me. It means that the Sexual experience is equally as good or better than what you might have got from a real Girlfriend, for apparent enthusiasm, tolerance of our behaviour, etc.

It is nothing to do with "being in love" but everything to do with being lustful. One of my regulars indicates she does not love me but likes my dick, and tongue. We all know we can have a great sex experience with a girl that we just met, and certainly are not in love with. So I have no clue why the "love" thing ever gets mentioned here. It is quite irrelevant to sex.

Since DFK is usually an essential part of an experience with a GF, unless she has some mouth problem, then DFK is normally an essential component of a GFE. One of my regular girls is very kissy. She initiates the DFK much more than I do. I doubt she would be so full on with it, if she did not really like it. However it could be calculated to give me best service since she knows I also like it. She is certainly giving as much DFK and as good as a regular GF. She also seems to love getting a good DATY, perhaps does not get a good one often (I don't know). She never seems to have a great deal of difficulty to get to an orgasm. So seems to be a horny girl. No BF as far as I know. So I rate the experience with her as GFE, as she is as good as any GF I ever had and more skilled than most GFs I ever had. She is very tolerant If I happen to be slow to cum. I don't really find she has any specific weaknesses. She may have major weaknesses for others, depending on what they want. I don't know if she would be happy to provide CIM, or anal, etc. I never requested any of these. I also never had a GF that liked to do those things, to my knowledge. I regard those things as being special "services" rather than being part of a GFE. Girls do extra things for money.

Clearly what guys expect from a GFE can vary, but it should be mostly about attitude and being prepared to try to give the normal type of partner a really good time with things that are fairly standard for GFs.

Day 1.
Soapy. The Lord.
Time - 7 pm.

-90% of customers were of asian.
-Quite a few smoking hot girls.

I started off with having a beer while I let my eyes absorb all the eye candy at center stage.
If you're like me. Very picky, then my god do NOT go with the mamasan's recommendation.
Like most people have already posted, Mamasan was pushing a less attractive girl while advocating that she was young.
I'm not quite sure if this was because I'm young?? Or she was just pushing a girl that isn't as popular.
After about 15 min of relaxing & perusing, I selected a tier O girl. (Forgot the name and exact number).

Height - 155 cm.
Weight / figure. Tight / slim / fit (less than 100 lb for sure I think).
Face - 8/10.
Tits - 10/10 (very sizable / perky / NATURAL).
Ass - 8/10 (she's petite so yea).
Pussy - 7/10 (bushy, not super tight).
Overall body - 9/10 (petite, fit, milky soft skin, couldn't find a single blemish).
Personality - 10/10 (but then again she was with me: P).
Service - 10/10.
Damage - 5,100 baht + 400 for 2 beers (1 for me 1 for her).

Pretty standard session / nothing out of the ordinary.
Eased into the session with about 10 min of chatting & light touching just to get the girl more comfortable with me.
Language barrier was an issue so thank god for google translate.
We then moved on to the actual soapy massage where I got to feel up her fine / tight body. My god was I rock hard at that point.
Next, rinsed off & moved over to the bed for a BBBJ. She was very attentive to both balls & shaft.
Lastly, started cowgirl - mish - finished doggy. (She initiated some hot DFK as well).
Favorite was definitely doggy. Hard / rough doggy at that too :).
To my own pleasant surprise. I lasted a lot longer than what I had anticipated.
Ended up with 15-20 min left after finishing. We chatted a little bit more while she gave me a massage & her LINE.
I asked her if she was free outside of working hours but she strongly advocated she was NOT and only available during soapy hours.

*SIDE NOTE*.

As I have mentioned before. I'm considerably younger than most other clientele in this hobby.
I'm a 26 why / o, american asian, relatively good looking & good shape. (Could pass for younger).
I bring this up again not for the purpose of boasting my youth but as to preface some advice for other younger mongers such as myself.
The moment I walked into The Lord, I was treated differently. At first it was great. Lots of attention from female service staff & LOTS of smiles & eye contact with pretty soapy girls. (Giggly atmosphere).
However, it wasn't until after about 10 min that I had realized my youth had 1 downside. I got the vibe that the staff were 50% not taking me seriously.
I wouldn't be surprised if they saw me and thought (young, newbie?, why is he here?, etc.).

The most sound piece of advice I can give other young mongers is. Confidence.
I know that sounds cliche but to elaborate, I don't mean cocky / arrogant.
I was dressed nicely / stylish, I acted mature & respectful, & I did my homework.
Knowing what you're looking for & what the place has to offer will go a long way.

The ONE mistake I made that I won't ever be making again. Don't PAY WITH CREDIT CARD. The exchange rate they offer is bad.
Don't ask me why I made that decision as I had the cash. Maybe it was the hot little thang on my arm dropping my IQ to -100 haha.

*Conclusion*.

No complaints about The Lord. Will be going back again within my 5 night stay.
Hopefully my review will be helpful to some. Will definitely be posting more.
CHEERS.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2109345]Same girl. She added braces a while back. She changed her hair color recently to a blondish-orange color. She also became colder recently. Her face is riddled with acne. I've seen her with no makeup and she is definitely looked ghastly for her age but she's not ghastly in an old hag sense. LOL. I have done it all with her in the past and she was always subpar in the skills department.
All of that aside, I stopped picking her because there are cuter girls that give better BJs for the same or lower price.[/QUOTE]Then I will bow to your more recent up close and personal experience with her that she is the same girl. It has been at least a year since I have been with her but have seen her sitting outside often. Come to think of it, I have seen a bleached blonde with that whitish powder make up and too red lipstick sitting out there lately. And that did make her look "ghastly", if it is the same Minh. LOL.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2109352]I made a note to get with My at SW after a report that described her "beautiful pussy" and skills at rimming. She says she is 27. Her body is all natural with a round ass (like a birthday cake, as I like to say) and small boobs with nice pink nipples. Like a 21 year old and with no baby damage. Her pussy is indeed as described. Well formed with big lips, tight and naturally wet after DATY which she really liked. She took direction well and slowed her roll as I asked. She was pleasant but in a more artificial way than most in the oilies. She also refused the pleasure of my small, 3 inch small, vibrator. Other ladies want me to give it too them as a gift after they enjoy it. She made it a point that she does not do anal which I do not either. And for the big test of just how good was she, would I repeat? Only if I thought a repeat would make it better than the first time. Oh, and she showed the tiniest frown when her tip was only 200. I tip 500 for an amazing session and this was more like a training session. So it was 1,900 baht at the counter plus tip.[/QUOTE]Yep, that is about how my only session went with her and even though she has a beautiful snatch; I never repeated.

I used to be confused now I'm not so sure anymore.

Seems a GFE need not include kissing but just be a feeling that the girl is happy to be with you. OK going with that without knowing it now 90% of my paid for sessions were GFE'S unlike my previous belief none were as they lacked the genuine intimacy I felt with real girlfriends.

Seems from some member's posts sex with working girls is better than sex with ex or currant girlfriends not just in their skill set but in conveying a feeling that they are really enjoying being with them.

I'm fortunate to have had a lot of both in my life and while its sure not a black and white situation I remember very little of my P4P experiences but have the fondest memories of endless hours in bed with true girlfriends. I was in love with some but not all of them. This is where my definition of GFE comes from.

Anyway thing is, if you've had a good time tip the girl well and I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a hoot what you want to call what just happened.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2109110]The PSE comes as an advertised package and in its truest incarnation encompasses most or all of whatever sexual experience the customer wants to indulge in. Its hardcore sex, plain and simple and its real.

The GFE is the girl pretending to enjoy kissing and cuddling. It's not real it's a fantasy trip for the punter. Kissing and cuddling are nice, I enjoy them particularly with working girls who are naturally affectionate and yes there are some still out there but I don't delude myself, well OK maybe for a minute or two on occasion. But even then I know it's not real, it's a million miles removed from the feelings I have when making love with a real girlfriend and not somebody I'm paying to be with.

I chat a lot with the girls about customers and you know the hardest part of the job for them is the kissing which is why a lot are not into it. There was a comment recently from somebody who visited Kasalong BJ bar that when he tried to kiss her she refused saying none of the girls at the shop kissed. Strange they will suck your dick take your cum in their mouth but cannot abide touching your lips. Strange world we monger through.[/QUOTE]There is a saying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And the same can be said about GFE and PSE. Because you decide how to treat the lady. It's not something that happens on its own.

GFE doesn't necessarily mean a good experience with the lady, at least not in real life. Because you can find plenty of girlfriends and boyfriends who fight with each other and don't treat each other well. And of course, you can also find plenty of girlfriends and boyfriends who are really nice and affectionate with each other.

It's not how nice and affectionate the lady is with you that decides whether you have a GFE experience or not. Because you can have a girlfriend, who doesn't treat you well.

It's you who decide how to treat the lady. And of course, the lady also decides how to respond to you.

I found from my experience with P4P ladies that being friendly and affectionate with the lady as though she is my girlfriend or my wife usually gets a similar response from her.

The only thing you need to take into account is cultural differences. Because kissing, for example, is common in western countries. But in Thailand, most people don't do it. It's a foreign cultural practice for them, and many Thai ladies are uncomfortable with it, regardless of whether it is a P4P type of situation or normal romance.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2109255]What is "real", anyway? ....

Some of the exceptionally talented girls (like Ying from Tulip), even manage to make most punters feel somewhat special and having a connection with her, despite knowing that 3 other dicks have been through those 3 holes earlier in the day....[/QUOTE]I can say for myself that I can really like several women at the same time and have sex with all of them, one after the other. Liking one woman doesn't stop me from liking other women too.

So, why is it so hard to believe that a P4P lady can feel the same way about multiple guys?

I've heard about double-standards, but they never made sense to me. If I can like several women and really enjoy having sex with all of them, then so can a lady with multiple guys.

There is no good reason to say that your liking is real, but the lady must be acting and faking.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109396]....I got the vibe that the staff were 50% not taking me seriously. ...

The ONE mistake I made that I won't ever be making again. Don't PAY WITH CREDIT CARD. The exchange rate they offer is bad....
[/QUOTE]I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.

Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.

When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.

When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.

The ladies know this from their experience. And that's why they cooperate with each other to decrease your choice enough for you to pick one of them. They stop competing with each other for your attention, when they see that you are interested in one of them more than in others.

And using a credit card probably leaves a permanent financial record that you've been at this place on certain date and how much money you've paid. And this record isn't just for the bank. Some spy agencies from the US government probably have access to it too.

It's just a computer record, that they can look up, if they want to. But it might come in handy for them in the future, if they want something from you that you don't want to give, such as pleading guilty to some crime, for example, even if you didn't do it.

They can pull out your record of being at this place and threaten to show it to your wife or your girlfriend. This is a normal practice for police and prosecutors. They dig up any kind of dirt on you they can find and use it to get your cooperation. That's how they get so many accused to plead guilty, without going to trial.

That's why it's not a good idea to use a credit card or a debit card for a service that's illegal in the place where you live. This kind of information can be used to spoil your reputation and blackmail you into doing things that you normally might not want to do.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109396]Day 1.
Soapy. The Lord.
Time - 7 pm.

-90% of customers were of asian.
-Quite a few smoking hot girls.
...

No complaints about The Lord. Will be going back again within my 5 night stay.
Hopefully my review will be helpful to some. Will definitely be posting more.
CHEERS.[/QUOTE]Very well written review. I'm 34 myself but started mongering when I was 26. And started going to Thailand when I was 28.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109396]<snip>
The ONE mistake I made that I won't ever be making again. Don't PAY WITH CREDIT CARD. The exchange rate they offer is bad.
Don't ask me why I made that decision as I had the cash. Maybe it was the hot little thang on my arm dropping my IQ to -100 haha.

*Conclusion*.

No complaints about The Lord. Will be going back again within my 5 night stay.
Hopefully my review will be helpful to some. Will definitely be posting more.
CHEERS.[/QUOTE]Good report Phazze93. I like the Lord too. It is my favorite soapy in BKK.

When you elect to pay with credit card you have the option of being charged in local currency or dollars. ALWAYS SELECT THE LOCAL CURRENCY. THE EXCHANGE RATE IS THEN CALCULATED BY THE CURRENT INTER-BANK RATE AND IS THEREFORE EXTREMLY GOOD. Be sure to use a credit card that does not charge an FX transaction fee.

I read another BM's comments about the loss of privacy concerning the use of credit cards. I hope this does not start a 2 week discussion on the subject, but I always use credit cards in soapies, oilies, saunas, G-Clubs, nightclubs, and even in Go Go's when I run up a significant tab. I am not married, I am self employed, and I am not planning on running for Congress, so the government can kiss my ass. I will spend my money anyway I want. Besides, there is no real privacy in the modern age. Privacy is an illusion.

I have'nt been to Thailand since 2015. For those who have been to both how does the Lord compare to Nataree?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2109502]I have'nt been to Thailand since 2015. For those who have been to both how does the Lord compare to Nataree?[/QUOTE]They were at opposite ends of the spectrum. I liked Nataree too, for their young Northern Thai girls and for the most part the simple straight forward Thai boy / Thai girl sex they provided. But in terms of service and opulence, the Lord was/is vastly superior and Lord girls were/are generally a few years older, more refined in appearance, and much more raunchy in bed thanks to their being much better trained and managed as sexual providers. Nataree was a pussy meat market. The Lord is a palace. LOL.

Nataree has been closed for a couple of years now. I occasionally miss the joint. The Lord is my favorite soapy in BKK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2109496]Good report Phazze93. I like the Lord too. It is my favorite soapy in BKK.

When you elect to pay with credit card you have the option of being charged in local currency or dollars. ALWAYS SELECT THE LOCAL CURRENCY. THE EXCHANGE RATE IS THEN CALCULATED BY THE CURRENT INTER-BANK RATE AND IS THEREFORE EXTREMLY GOOD. Be sure to use a credit card that does not charge an FX transaction fee.

I read another BM's comments about the loss of privacy concerning the use of credit cards. I hope this does not start a 2 week discussion on the subject, but I always use credit cards in soapies, oilies, saunas, G-Clubs, nightclubs, and even in Go Go's when I run up a significant tab. I am not married, I am self employed, and I am not planning on running for Congress, so the government can kiss my ass. I will spend my money anyway I want. Besides, there is no real privacy in the modern age. Privacy is an illusion.[/QUOTE]Yea I don't quite understand the harm in using a credit card.

As far as foreign exchange rate goes. It seems everyone & every place in Thailand tries to pull that shit.
I have ALWAYS declined foreign exchange rate and elected to pay in BAHT.
The reason I did not notice it at The Lord. Is that they never ASKED LOL! Next time if I do elect to pay w / CC, I will insist to pay in baht.
I also don't live in Thailand so I'm not overly concerned.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2109502]I have'nt been to Thailand since 2015. For those who have been to both how does the Lord compare to Nataree?[/QUOTE]Never been to Nataree, but the Lord is probably the best after my rounds tonight.

I just visited Poseidon & Emmanuelle and still wound up back at The Lord.
Poseidon. What a joke. Their girls were just low grade. No offense to the girls obviously. Their 3rd floor "models" Hell naw.
Emmanuelle. Overall quality of girls was better than Poseidon but still a bit too old for my taste.
I am going to post my 2nd review of The Lord later. Once I recover from getting my soul pulled out from the tip of my cock haha.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2109474]I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.

Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.

When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.

When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.
[/QUOTE]Totally get your point & I would understand that perspective if I had sat there pondering for a long time. But the "not taking me seriously" vibe was more like "oh this kid is too young hes probably just here to look & not serious about booking a girl" type of vibe. But I went back today. And I'm pretty sure they recognized me so no more weird shit this time around.

SHOUT OUT to my Japanese homie whom I met at The Lord. If you're reading this man I really owe you & if I see you again, I got the next round. You know who you are.

I had planned for Emmanuelle & did not end up bringing enough cash for K class at the Lord & forgot my CC as well. Guy spotted me 1 k baht, saved my night!

Day 2.
Soapy. The Lord.
Time - 6:30 pm.

-90% of customers were of asian again LOL.
-Different lineup than the night before. Fewer "asian" beauties.

I had just come from Emmanuelle and Poseidon. Both were a bust - janky ass lookin lineups. (for my taste)
Same as before, I started with a beer while resting & taking in the sights.
This time, no mamasan to bother me. I took my sweet time walking around and smiling at the girls.
After making the rounds, I selected this cute thing from K tier.

Age - 20 y/o (could have passed for younger).
Height - <160 cm? (petite).
Weight / figure. Tight / slim / fit (less than 100 lb for sure I think).
Face - 8. 5/10 (more cute / pretty, not typical "sexy" face).
Tits - 8/10 (modest size / perky / NATURAL).
Ass - 8/10 (she's petite so yea).
Pussy - 10/10 (some fuzz, not too hairy. But we talkin BAD pussy! Tight & juicy haha).
Overall body - 8. 5/10 (petite, slightly more tan, MINOR stretch marks on ass, minimal body fat).
Personality - 7/10 (a bit more shy / not as chatty).
Service - 9/10. (knocked a point down off for personality).
Damage - 6,100 baht + 200 for 1 beers.

Where do I start? She wasn't as personable as the girl from the night before. But per my previous post, this girl performed an exorcism on me LOL.
She had one GRADE A,THAI-DA (USDA joke) pussy. Supple, tight but not too tight. Embraced my cock like god had found me.

Typical beginning of session. A little chatting & soapy massage.
To the bed! (Where part of my soul still lies).
Started with cowgirl, up & down like a amusement park ride. Subtle ass to thigh clap clap CLAP. That was when I decided to start my own religion. "Pussy-ianity".
Changed to mish for a hot second & moved onto the doggy.
I believe riding her from behind dropped my IQ to caveman status. Fuck was that hot as hell as I pounded away at that sweet little thing.

Not sure what's happened to me but perhaps this trip to Thailand has gotten rid of my problem of finishing too early HAHA. Have fucked like a champ w/ cum on command ability.
Finished with about 20 min to spare, cleaned up and headed out.

Conclusion.
I'm unsure if I even want to consider going to other soapies now. The Lord has spoiled me rotten!
After having been let down by Emmanuelle & Poseidon, don't know if others are worth considering. Would appreciate any thoughts?
In all honesty, not to give off the wrong impression. I use a lot of "ungraceful" terms in my post simply as an easy means of primal expression!
I am glad that I can enjoy these experiences while still treating these ladies with respect & common decency.

CHEERS! Not looking forward to leaving Bangkok... 3 more nights to go. More reviews to come. (Also have been posting GOGO reviews on General Bangkok Reports)

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109689]....Not sure what's happened to me but perhaps this trip to Thailand has gotten rid of my problem of finishing too early HAHA. Have fucked like a champ w/ cum on command ability.
Finished with about 20 min to spare, cleaned up and headed out....
[/QUOTE]I think you need to give the ladies some credit for making it a better experience for you.

People usually learn from their experience and become good at what they do, when they do it a lot. And that's how it is with many Thai P4P ladies.

These ladies know how to relax a guy and make him feel comfortable with them. And it's not just about them knowing how to act with a guy. I can say from my own experience of doing many ladies, that after a while, I started liking a much wider range of looks in ladies, than I did before. The same probably happens with ladies who have sex with many different guys.

I think having sex with many guys changes how these ladies feel about guys. They probably become a lot less choosy than normal in the kind of guys they like and enjoy being with. Which means that your Thai lady probably isn't acting with you, when she shows some liking for you. She just has learned to like guys like you, and she is being sincere with you. And that's why it works so well with you.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2109496]Good report Phazze93. I like the Lord too. It is my favorite soapy in BKK.

When you elect to pay with credit card you have the option of being charged in local currency or dollars. ALWAYS SELECT THE LOCAL CURRENCY. THE EXCHANGE RATE IS THEN CALCULATED BY THE CURRENT INTER-BANK RATE AND IS THEREFORE EXTREMLY GOOD. Be sure to use a credit card that does not charge an FX transaction fee.

I read another BM's comments about the loss of privacy concerning the use of credit cards. I hope this does not start a 2 week discussion on the subject, but I always use credit cards in soapies, oilies, saunas, G-Clubs, nightclubs, and even in Go Go's when I run up a significant tab. I am not married, I am self employed, and I am not planning on running for Congress, so the government can kiss my ass. I will spend my money anyway I want. Besides, there is no real privacy in the modern age. Privacy is an illusion.[/QUOTE]I once used my credit card at cupidity (the soapy that is more or less a rip-off joint that taxi drivers like to take people too). What was strange was that they never charged me, but I paid in baht too (1500 baht). A few months later, credit card # was stolen and 1000 left my bank account (refunded by my bank, but still a hastle).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2109505]They were at opposite ends of the spectrum. I liked Nataree too, for their young Northern Thai girls and for the most part the simple straight forward Thai boy / Thai girl sex they provided. But in terms of service and opulence, the Lord was/is vastly superior and Lord girls were/are generally a few years older, more refined in appearance, and much more raunchy in bed thanks to their being much better trained and managed as sexual providers. Nataree was a pussy meat market. The Lord is a palace. LOL.

Nataree has been closed for a couple of years now. I occasionally miss the joint. The Lord is my favorite soapy in BKK.[/QUOTE]Ha this makes me miss nataree. It really was different than the other places (probably because it was illegal in that most of the girls there were illegal workers from myanmar / Laos / Cambodia).

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109510]

I just visited Poseidon & Emmanuelle and still wound up back at The Lord.
Poseidon. What a joke. Their girls were just low grade. No offense to the girls obviously. Their 3rd floor "models" Hell naw.
Emmanuelle. Overall quality of girls was better than Poseidon but still a bit too old for my taste.
I am going to post my 2nd review of The Lord later. Once I recover from getting my soul pulled out from the tip of my cock haha.[/QUOTE]I used to live walking distance to Poseidon 2 years ago. This is exactly how I remember it from 2015, a joke (But in 2013 it was actually alright). I would only go there to see 1 girl a few times since she gave really good service (not a looker but not bad looking). And yes their third floor of models looks like a retirement home for washed up hookers LOL.

Emmanuelle can be pretty bad sometimes, like walk in and there is nothing I would want to pay for. I noticed it has groups of 4 mongers (saw 2 groups of 4, 8 total) come in and just snatch all the decent and even semi-decent ones up and it leaves their floor with no talent at all. Have to be lucky and get there early. I go there often because a regular of mine (who visits my condo for free in exchange for me visiting her work each time) is there that I book so I am familiar with what their floor looks like. It's pretty bleak most times, but sometimes their walk-in talent is ok.

The thing about most soapies is that the real talent / lookers are not sitting on the sofas / sidelines / fishbowl, but in the rooms or already booked and sitting in the managers area waiting for their booking.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109510]...Their girls were just low grade. No offense to the girls obviously...
[/QUOTE]Huh?? You call the girls low grade, and then turn around and say you meant no offense. Very funny!

Having said that, I used to like Poseidon many years ago as they presented good value, I. E. Price vs service level / girls looks. But these past few years, I have been visiting mostly the Lord, as the other places have gone up in price and the quality has gone down.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2109810]I think you need to give the ladies some credit for making it a better experience for you.

People usually learn from their experience and become good at what they do, when they do it a lot. And that's how it is with many Thai P4P ladies.

These ladies know how to relax a guy and make him feel comfortable with them. And it's not just about them knowing how to act with a guy. I can say from my own experience of doing many ladies, that after a while, I started liking a much wider range of looks in ladies, than I did before. The same probably happens with ladies who have sex with many different guys.

I think having sex with many guys changes how these ladies feel about guys. They probably become a lot less choosy than normal in the kind of guys they like and enjoy being with. Which means that your Thai lady probably isn't acting with you, when she shows some liking for you. She just has learned to like guys like you, and she is being sincere with you. And that's why it works so well with you.[/QUOTE]Oh no doubt credit to the girls for knowing what they're doing. Definitely not going to dispute their credit for making it a good experience.

To be honest, I haven't always had trouble lasting. So it could be just a combination of many good things. IE: super relaxed / no stress from work, nice weather & NO EXPECTATION of commitment.

I work like 15 hours everyday back home & having to then "game" western / westernized girls with ridiculous expectations is exhausting.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2110152]Huh?? You call the girls low grade, and then turn around and say you meant no offense. Very funny!

Having said that, I used to like Poseidon many years ago as they presented good value, I. E. Price vs service level / girls looks. But these past few years, I have been visiting mostly the Lord, as the other places have gone up in price and the quality has gone down.[/QUOTE]Well I mean there are unattractive girls OUTSIDE of soapies. I'm not hating on unattractive girls.

But they're a business that SELLS looks & physique. I'm simply judging their supposed offering. Nothing against the girls. But they're not there to show off their IQ first & foremost.

Mitu.

I was in Bangkok in November and decided to go back to Mitu, Sukhumvit 33, Soi 4. I had had a good time there on my previous visit. I choose a girl called Yuki, a 5 star girl. I liked the level of attention given which made me feel valued as a customer. Massage was good followed by DATY, good BBBJ and sex was good as well.

Later in the week I returned for more. This time I choose Cookie, a 4 star girl. Service was as with Yuki. Yuki cost 3900 and Cookie cost 3300. Some may say this is too much, but I am no cheap Charlie and I do not mind paying for what is a very personal service, especially if I enjoy myself.

A while back, I went to Analisa during daytime. Their new location near Nana BTS is very convenient. I wandered up their cul-de-sac by accident once on my way to Kasalong, and made a mental note to return at later date, which I did.

I picked up 4-hand one-hour prostate massage (their specialty). I asked to see the line-up, selected Natalie and Hanna. I asked if they worked together and they said yes. They were pretty decent looking, Hanna being younger.

It was a good decision. If you're only going for a massage, 4 hands is better than 2. When I have full service, I don't want to divide my attention between 2 girls, and changing condoms every time I shift from one to the other is a pain in the neck, so I only get one. But for a passive massage it is definitely a nice luxury to have 2 girls.

Natalie was more senior so she kind of took charge, telling Hanna what to do to me and where and when and how. They asked me if I wanted them to undress, but that was extra cost, and if I wanted that kind of experience I'd go to a dedicated full-service shop, so I said no. They were probably not skinny enough for my taste anyway, so nothing lost.

They worked well together indeed. It was the usual Analisa routine, but more pleasant and stimulating than with one girl. Satisfactory completion was achieved in the end. Afterwards Natalie herself was pretty much spent and she kind of faded while Hanna took the relay and gave me a nice massage, so it was good to have two girls, at any point in the session there's one who is high-energy.

Would I recommend? Only if you feel like a PM on that particular day (pretty rare for me), and only if you don't mind spending extra for the second girl. But if so, Natalie and Hanna are a talented pairing.

Lucky you.

Too bad they close at 10 pm. I assumed they will be open late like the other places around and went a bit too late. So couldn't check Mitu on my to do list. Hopefully during my next visit.

The timings are listed on their website as well as G Maps but being in the hyper excited state totally missed it.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;2111211]Mitu.

I was in Bangkok in November and decided to go back to Mitu, Sukhumvit 33, Soi 4. I had had a good time there on my previous visit. I choose a girl called Yuki, a 5 star girl. I liked the level of attention given which made me feel valued as a customer. Massage was good followed by DATY, good BBBJ and sex was good as well.

Later in the week I returned for more. This time I choose Cookie, a 4 star girl. Service was as with Yuki. Yuki cost 3900 and Cookie cost 3300. Some may say this is too much, but I am no cheap Charlie and I do not mind paying for what is a very personal service, especially if I enjoy myself.[/QUOTE]

Been to Snow White last Monday around 4 pm and choose Emmy. Nice girl, white skin, no baby damage, good body.

1 HR - 1900 baht, very good service, DFK, BBBJ-DT, rimjob, great A+ service, finish with CIM.

Highly recommended.

Anyone knows if Nana and Apple are still working at SW?

Has anyone been to 101 Premier lately, it used to be very busy, is it still?

If anyone been and mention some good selections please post name.

There is a great quite but hot girl there by name if Rose, she a "secret" girl (no photo on website).

Anyone had a go with her lately?

I think she a makeup cosmetics girl as other part time job. Bolt on's but they look good on her petite frame.

Had an OK session with Angie lately. Room is clean. 4 pm, one customer was waiting, not busy at all.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2113827]Has anyone been to 101 Premier lately, it used to be very busy, is it still?

If anyone been and mention some good selections please post name.

There is a great quite but hot girl there by name if Rose, she a "secret" girl (no photo on website).

Anyone had a go with her lately?

I think she a makeup cosmetics girl as other part time job. Bolt on's but they look good on her petite frame.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2113827]Has anyone been to 101 Premier lately, it used to be very busy, is it still?

If anyone been and mention some good selections please post name.

There is a great quite but hot girl there by name if Rose, she a "secret" girl (no photo on website).

Anyone had a go with her lately?

I think she a makeup cosmetics girl as other part time job. Bolt on's but they look good on her petite frame.[/QUOTE]I think I have. The description sounds familiar but the name doesn't. Did she want a tip for butt fucking? Long brownish-blonde hair?

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2112840]Anyone knows if Nana and Apple are still working at SW?[/QUOTE]Nana is still there.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2113948]I think I have. The description sounds familiar but the name doesn't. Did she want a tip for butt fucking? Long brownish-blonde hair?[/QUOTE]Nah that's not her, she has black longish black hair.

Never asked her for anal but pretty sure she would refuse cause she so petite, I know her pussy super tight so her arse be even more! Her bolt on are not massive but firm and round, great for her body.

She speaks very good english, nice make up (she is a cosmetics store girl), very sweet and only talks when she is comfortable with you.

She is there most days and till closing time.

Check her out if you there next but don't expect PSE.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2114015]Nana is still there.[/QUOTE]Looks like a nice rack. Hope she can accommodate me in near future.

I never been to Lord but keep reading good stuff about it.

Can anyone tell me what time it opens and closes? I can only attend after midnight but is it worth going then?

Also the prices start from 4000 but the better girls (more model looking) are from 6000 up and the sessions all go for 2 hours?

Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?

I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?

If it was discussed before I missed it. How do the Lords girls compare to the top tier gogo girls in Pattaya? Which are hotter?

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2114099]Looks like a nice rack. Hope she can accommodate me in near future.[/QUOTE]She's far older than in the pics. Pics have to be from over 10 years ago; at least.

Thanks for the update o Emmy. I will be sure to try her when I visit later this month. In the past I have also tried Audi. She is really sweet and offers excellent service, no holes bared and CIM.

I'd appreciate any update on Kasalong and L*.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2111935]Been to Snow White last Monday around 4 pm and choose Emmy. Nice girl, white skin, no baby damage, good body.

1 HR - 1900 baht, very good service, DFK, BBBJ-DT, rimjob, great A+ service, finish with CIM.

Highly recommended.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2114843]If it was discussed before I missed it. How do the Lords girls compare to the top tier gogo girls in Pattaya? Which are hotter?[/QUOTE]Its too different experiences and both can be special depending on how you look at.

To start, IMOP, there is no comparison between top Lord girls and top Pattaya bar girls at least in the looks department. Some of the more 'exclusive' lord girls have been in men's magazines like Maxim and FHM. They are pin-up models. They will also give you a much more 'pampered' level of service depending on how you approach them and the service you choose to go with. Whenever I've taken the exclusive girls, its been part of an extended party service with a few other guys and girls so you get the high end escort service that isn't offered if you just do a quick ST session.

Top agogo girls can also be extremely 'hot' but in a different way. While I don't find them to be as 'sophisticated' as Lord girls, that can sometimes be a good thing if I want to just party with a lady and for her to just let it all out there. Grabbing a top level agogo girl in Patts and taking her to the club and have her grind and DFK me on the dance floor is great too. She may not have perfect white skin and teeth like the Lord girl but she can be just as hot in many other ways.

The only thing that I would say can be a major difference is that there aren't that many truly top tier ladies in Patts agogos these days. I actually think you'll find hotter ladies FLing on the net and in the clubs. You'll also have to deal with the attitudes that some guys seemingly experience. With the soapies, its much more straight forward and there is a better pool of hotties to choose from and the service will typically be a bit more straightforward.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2109474]I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.

Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.

When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.

When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.

The ladies know this from their experience. And that's why they cooperate with each other to decrease your choice enough for you to pick one of them. They stop competing with each other for your attention, when they see that you are interested in one of them more than in others.[/QUOTE]Said like a true professional. So true and every soapy customer should read and they will start to understand girls behavior in the fishbowl better.

I was picturing myself looking at the fishbowl for a second here like I was home.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2115056]Its too different experiences and both can be special depending on how you look at.

To start, IMOP, there is no comparison between top Lord girls and top Pattaya bar girls at least in the looks department. Some of the more 'exclusive' lord girls have been in men's magazines like Maxim and FHM. They are pin-up models. They will also give you a much more 'pampered' level of service depending on how you approach them and the service you choose to go with. Whenever I've taken the exclusive girls, its been part of an extended party service with a few other guys and girls so you get the high end escort service that isn't offered if you just do a quick ST session.

Top agogo girls can also be extremely 'hot' but in a different way. While I don't find them to be as 'sophisticated' as Lord girls, that can sometimes be a good thing if I want to just party with a lady and for her to just let it all out there. Grabbing a top level agogo girl in Patts and taking her to the club and have her grind and DFK me on the dance floor is great too. She may not have perfect white skin and teeth like the Lord girl but she can be just as hot in many other ways.

The only thing that I would say can be a major difference is that there aren't that many truly top tier ladies in Patts agogos these days. I actually think you'll find hotter ladies FLing on the net and in the clubs. You'll also have to deal with the attitudes that some guys seemingly experience. With the soapies, its much more straight forward and there is a better pool of hotties to choose from and the service will typically be a bit more straightforward.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this great response. The Lord seems to be a good substitute for my 2015 favorite, Nataree. Will be there in 2018.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2114808]

Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?

I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?[/QUOTE]IMHO, you have only one choice. You can get 4 girls from 4 different massage parlors at soi 24 or soi 24 1/2 or Soi 26 (Snow White) for 10000 THB or less. You can not get 2 Lord girls for 5000 THB each.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2115233]Thanks for this great response. The Lord seems to be a good substitute for my 2015 favorite, Nataree. Will be there in 2018.[/QUOTE]The Lord may be a good substitute for Nataree, but it is not a like substitute. The Lord is a very different kind of place compared to Nataree. So, if you are seeking something similar to the Nataree girl experience then I suggest you go to Addicts Massage (or some other oily parlor in the same area), take a nice-looking girl that you like out their lineup, select a room with a bathtub and a 90-minute massage. The number of Addict girls in their lineup will not be anywhere close to the number of girls on site in Nataree at any given hour, but the overall in-room session will be very similar and the quality of Addict girls are roughly on par with the quality of Nataree girls as well.

The Lord, on the other hand, is one or two steps up in class from Nataree even though there are far less girls to choose from and Lord girls for the most part are in their mid to late 20's. But the step up in class is due to having sex with better trained, better managed, more enthusiastic, carnally knowledgeable girls in a highly upgraded room albeit at a significantly higher price. I have had good times in all 3 bordellos. I like the youthful and relatively straight forward sex I have experienced in both Nataree and Addicts. But I also really like the almost Macau Sauna type service provided in the Lord. Where I go on any particular day depends on what I am in the mood for. That's what is so good about BKK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2115385]and the quality of Addict girls are roughly on par with the quality of Nataree girls as well.

[/QUOTE]I don't think Addict is at all comparable to Nataree. The latter had young northern girls with no babies whereas the former has mostly milfs from Isaan.

I made numerous visits to Nataree in my trip to Bangkok in 2015, it was by far my favorite place in Bangkok, they were superior in quality as well as quantity. In all my visits I never saw any teenaged girls that they were reportedly closed for. I did see and session with young providers but they were in their early 20's. One of the chicks I sessioned was one of my all time best sessions in terms of looks and service such that I went to an ATM and returned to give her a bigger tip after the session. I remember her name even today, it was Sugar, a Thai born in Myanmar. I place a lot of emphasis on looks and will visit the Lord in my visit to Bangkok next year and will try Addicts as well.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2114808]I never been to Lord but keep reading good stuff about it.

Can anyone tell me what time it opens and closes? I can only attend after midnight but is it worth going then?

Also the prices start from 4000 but the better girls (more model looking) are from 6000 up and the sessions all go for 2 hours?

Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?

I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?[/QUOTE]The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.

I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.

You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.

Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).

I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.

What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?

[QUOTE=*****man;2115905]I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2115908]What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?[/QUOTE]Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.

[QUOTE=*****man;2115920]Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.[/QUOTE]As some additional support for this, I have conducted two "experiments" to confirm what I already knew, i.e., many of the soapies charge a farang surcharge.

Most recently, I went to some of the soapies near the now-defunct Nataree with a Thai friend. He did not believe me when I told him about the farang surcharge. So at each soapie we visited he asked in Thai the mama or papa-san whether they charged farangs extra. Each did not hesitate to say they did even though I was sitting in front of them and they pretty much knew my Thai friend would then tell me. The surcharges were in the range 500 to 1,000 baht depending on the establishment. In fact, at one of the places the mama-san showed my friend a price list that showed the Thai and farang prices for each level of girl.

Not so recently, a Singaporean friend of mine who could speak Thai went with me to some soapies. We decided to enter separately and then compare the prices we were quoted. At most of the soapies he was quoted a lower price than I was.

Another interesting thing is I once visited a soapy across the river that had a sign stating that they did not charge farangs extra unlike some of the other establishments. I believe that particular soapy was related to CPII (if I remember the name correctly), which also did not charge a surcharge. But not charging a surcharge is the exception rather than the rule, at least with regard to soapies frequented largely by Thais or maybe other Asians. Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.

I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2115938]Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.

I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.[/QUOTE]Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.

[QUOTE=*****man;2115920]Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.[/QUOTE]Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.

I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.

[QUOTE=*****man;2115947]Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.[/QUOTE]After being in Bangkok for so long, I stopped worrying about surcharges and simply avoid these types of massage parlors. Just head over to the palours on soi 24 and soi 24/1 that have tons of girls and the prices are way cheaper than any massage parlor in Bangkok. And some of the girls are hot. Take your time and walk around that entire location and you'll see girl sitting out begging you to bang them. And the prices are 40% cheaper than what you would pay in a soapy massage parlor.

In fact, these places don't even accept Thai guys, they only want foreigners and the price is the same for everyone. When I was in Korat a couple months ago I was happy to go to the massage parlor with my friend who lives there. The massage parlors there charged one price for everyone and the girls look a whole lot better than the Bangkok girl MP. I am not sure why there is any interest left in the massage parlors in Bangkok, it's not what it used to be 15 or even 10 years ago. Back then, you can get some really hot looking girls who were from the farm and happy to have sex with the Foreigner and provide a good level of service. Nowadays, the girls in the massage parlors tend to be older and unattractive and then they just go through the motions. I think the reality is is that most Thsi girls don't want to work that hard in massage soapy place. They were they rather work as a freelancer, or in a go-go bar, are on soi 24, soi 33, or soi 24/1.

My advice, and avoid going all over town trying to find a massage parlor and just head over to Soi 24/1 and soy 24, and soi 33. Or, take a bus one day to Korat where there are tons of massage parlors and young girls who are hot and the price is the same at most massage parlors for all customers. The glamour of Bangkok massage parlors, in my opinion has played out long time ago.

[QUOTE=*****man;2115494]I don't think Addict is at all comparable to Nataree. The latter had young northern girls with no babies whereas the former has mostly milfs from Isaan.[/QUOTE]Milfs in Thailand seem to stretch the definition a bit as many have kids at a young age. For me in Europe a MILF would be in her 30's and probably later 30's. A girlfriend in Thailand has a kid of 17, she is 37 and my kind of MILF.

Last week in Addict (my first visits to the location) they may have been milfs, but they were young milfs. All of the girls in the line-up of more than 20 girls on a Saturday afternoon appeared to be well under 30 years.

The girl I chose was 26 and although a mother of a 5 year old (so a MILF obviously as I chose to fuck her) she was a delight.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2115970]Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.[/QUOTE]Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2115984]I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2115970]Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.[/QUOTE]It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2115984]The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer.[/QUOTE]Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2116122]Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.

What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2115970]Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.[/QUOTE]Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.

[QUOTE=*****man;2116114]It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.[/QUOTE]I have never been a fan of soapies or MPs and always found the experience to be sorely lacking in eroticism, even 20+ years ago. So I can't speak much about this or that venue. But this bit about a Farang "surcharge" sounds to me much more like an Asian "discount" instead. They only spruce it up with an excuse to us Farangs that they hope at least could be taken as flattery; we're just too much MAN for those delicate flowers. LOL.

Meanwhile, if many if their Asian customers couldn't be assured ASAP that, yep sure enough, they most definitely are already getting a discount below what the Farangs are paying, they would likely eat up more of the papasan's time grinding him for one anyway.

JMHO.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2116150]Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.[/QUOTE]You must be a charming companion.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2116149]I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.

What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.[/QUOTE]Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on. There are fewer farang here and more Asian dudes. The scene caters to the Asian dudes and will continue to do so. Their wants and needs are different from ours, but they are here in numbers and we are not anymore. They don't demand GFE or PSE, rather they want to stick it in a pretty gal so they can tell their friends about it. And many want to brag about what they paid as well. It's a very different modus operandi and one that most of us farang dudes don't want to have anything to do with. Enjoy, what's left guys; it's going to continue in this direction. I am really glad I made it over for the first time in the late 90's and got to enjoy the end of the Golden Age. One thing though, when the Chinese punters arrive the gals will really miss us farang and perhaps wish they catered to us a bit more.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2116150]Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.[/QUOTE]I like foreplay, but on my terms. To each his own. The point is the provider needs to be able to monitor and adjust according to the needs of the customer. Most of the Asian dudes are ok with the script; we farang want to make our own movie. And FFS women can go at it for a lot longer than we can. 2 pops and I'm done. How much can she handle? A lot more than me, that's for sure. And yes, if she is always jep jep jep, it's time to find another job.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116239]Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on.[/QUOTE]We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.

What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.

Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.

Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.

[QUOTE=*****man;2116114]It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.[/QUOTE]I don't think its really an issue of 'welfare' but more about keeping the girls in the place. Fact is, these brick and mortar establishments are having a hard time keeping top level staff on premise. The online / social media model has taken over and most of the hottest ladies are just FLing these days. This is one of the reasons why the pricing has skyrocketed in just the last couple of years. Before that there were 4-5 venues that had the same amount of top level ladies that the Lord has now. Its supply and demand and if you can get paid more to do less work, I imagine you would make the same choice as they are. Another thing to consider is that the ladies generally get tipped more from Asian guys than farangs. You just can't bring that entitled attitude like this "Women are naturally built to have sex" into this scene anymore. Say what you will about Asian men but they are favored because they don't view these ladies as sex machines, more like status symbol idols.

Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.

Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2114932]Thanks for the update o Emmy. I will be sure to try her when I visit later this month. In the past I have also tried Audi. She is really sweet and offers excellent service, no holes bared and CIM.

I'd appreciate any update on Kasalong and L*.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116100]Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.[/QUOTE]This whole scale of economics argument doesn't hold water when it comes to prostitution and it has nothing to do with Asians, as a matter of fact there is a greater argument to be made for Westernization as the true cause, specifically the rise of capitalism. Just look at prostitution in first world countries dominated by 'farang' populations to see what I mean. A top level escort in NYC can command thousands of dollars for a few hours when the minimum wage is $7.25. Same goes for London. Bangkok is now a major metropolitan and one of the Asian hubs but for a Thai pin up model you are still paying a small fraction of what you would pay for the equivalent in America and the service will roughly be the same if not better here if you request like for like services.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2116251]We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.

What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.

Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.

Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.[/QUOTE]For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116279]For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.[/QUOTE]Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.

I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.

Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.

I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.

Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116288]Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.

I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.

Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.

I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.

Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.[/QUOTE]If I did not have a live in; I'd be playing it the same way. Yes, most non-p4 p gals are smarter and better educated and that all adds up to a better experience in and out of the bedroom. My gal of over a decade has her MBA, the family is not parasitic, and is a card carrying atheist like myself. Also not a jealous bone in her body. Aside from being pretty sharp, she also models swimsuits and fitness wear on occasion. I'm in a pretty great position with her and think any trade in would be a trade down. But if we ever spilt, yours is the road I am taking.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116288]It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.[/QUOTE]While this may be what you've experienced as far as potential GF material, I can say that this is not the norm in Bangkok, unless you're trying to corral a sex worker from Nana or Soi Cowboy and make her into a really LT partner.

There are plenty of options for real relationships with attractive women who have regular full-time jobs and the only animal that they may bring into the equation being a pussy cat. No horses either. Just being a nice and caring guy who won't screw them over will get you a similar lady in return.

With that being said, if you're just not the type then you're not the type and if there is anywhere in the world where you don't have to be its Thailand.

If you read my previous reports, I had two sessions without finish on this first trip to Bangkok. I wanted to try every type of mongering there I can get to in 4 days. And get some sightseeing in. Oillie, Thermae freelancer, bar fine go-go. I save the priciest for last. Went to Lords after some shopping and an IMAX movie. The lobby where the selection happens was really lit up. Not overly crowded but about 2 dozen guys. There were like 10 "hosts mamasans" greeting arrivals. The one I got showed me the price card -5000-10000 bahts, was very pushy and wanted me to choose immediately. I got a drink instead and scanned the ladies. She put me in a seat way away from the view of the girls. I walked around and checked out the 30 or so girls- pretty uncomfortable for me as it started to feel like I'm buying a cut of meat. I could see 3-4 I could do, but my first choice was taken as I was scouting. You snooze you loose.

I told the mamasan to get No. 15, who was at the 2nd tier 5100 bahts, named Nac (sounds like mace). Pay at "hotel check in desk" around the corner and leads me to a room. Nac has an attractive face, about 5'2" and enhanced. Nice body, sweet and good English. Drew a bath, and we had a little fun. That was the extent of the "soaping" and massage. Towelled off and more fun in the bed. Even at the lower tier, I guess you get what you pay for. She was GFE all the way -BBBJ, kissing, cover, good enthusiasm in different positions. As commented by my previous encounter, she was surprised at stamina and size, but in her case she took a good pounding and I finished. We were about 75 minutes into our 90 minute session. I rarely have two pops in me, and she was pretty sore and didn't think she could stand another. We chatted, showered, tipped and out before my 90 minutes. Probably not repeat as there are others to try.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2116266]Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.

Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Prices at Snow White are always the same. 1500 baht for the girl + the massage fee (400 for 1 HR, 600 for 90 min, 800 for 2 hrs) everythings included, no surcharge for A+ service.

On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116368]On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?[/QUOTE]Wow this is really grinding your gears.

From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116368]On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?[/QUOTE]Read my previous post about it again. I'm half korean half chinese FYI so there's your answer.

I've been living and working in Bangkok since I was 19 and most of my friends here are 18-29 years of age. I've had the same conversations with everyone of all backgrounds and ages, be it university students, professional corporate workers or escorts / working girls; all answers are the same, westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.

Let me share with you just 1 of many personal encounters of this sort.

I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.

Don't get me started on other examples.

At Grandaddy Perp. I absolutely agree with you.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2116383]Wow this is really grinding your gears.

From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.[/QUOTE]You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.

". they add more if you're a farang. "

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116474]
So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?[/QUOTE]Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.

These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116368]On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?[/QUOTE]Amusing post. 555.

I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.

I can kind of see his point. But, at heart I am a barbaric farang who wants to every p4 p situation to turn out as a PSE marathon with a GFE to top it off. 555.

We are both stuck in our own ways and I respect that.

Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2115660]The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.

I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.

You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.

Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, looks like my only option is smooci after midnight as don't have a car and probably get lost in taxi.

Will try and sneak away to try Lord at 3 pm.

Is it the same each day, number of customers wise, are there punters weekends and weekdays? Might try and go on a Wednesday 3 pm.

Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?

Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2116489]Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.

These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.[/QUOTE]It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.

I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.

Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2116600]Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?

Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Saw her there the other night. She wasn't dressed for work though. No clue what's going on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116622]It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.

I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.

Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.[/QUOTE]I was trying to be modest in my reasoning as to why the surcharge exists but it really does come down to what AlphaPunk2 says:

"Westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior."

You yourself are an example of what he speaks of given your repeated use of racial stereotypes:

"I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

Seriously? Have you seen Japanese porn? Its anything but unimaginative. Also, the whole 3-3-3 thing isn't reflective of reality.

And there is this comment:

"I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way."

This is also the same with local men who play in this end of the pool.

You have to understand that these MPs have never really catered to lonely, sex deprived men. I won't go into too much detail about the true nature of the establishments because its not for me to tell but I will just say that Asians, or I should say the types of Asians who visit these places, haven't reached that level where women are purely and excuse my English 'cum dumpsters' or an object of release for their bottled up misogyny. For them, its mostly just a break from the office.

I get that Western progressive culture has created a lot of this pent up anger but don't take it out on Asia even if it they let you with mostly open legs.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116474]You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.

". they add more if you're a farang. "

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?[/QUOTE]My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116622]But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.[/QUOTE]Don't think farangs are getting any better service for that money. The only time a soapy gal is going to go the extra mile is if she smells the opportunity to snag a sponsor, and a high dollar sponsor at that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116688]My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.[/QUOTE]I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2116555]Amusing post. 555.

I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.

[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head.

Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.

To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116463]You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.[/QUOTE]Now now. Hold your horses. While I agree that the behaviour of certain locals or tourists is way out of order, saying most (I read that as 7/10?) westerners are racist is ludicrous.

Been living and working here since 2004 and I can tell you the vast majority of westerners are polite and respectful.

One thing I'll give you though, is that with the arrival "en-masse" of chinese tourists, behaving as they would at home (not to their fault, they may not know better), I have seen a lot of westerners (and Thais) curse them. I do not approve of it but it is far from the majority.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116688]My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.[/QUOTE]That would be my guess, yes.

It applies to other countries and services other than the sex industry.

Taxi? No meter, 200 thb.

Moto taxi? 40 thb for a 20 thb ride.

Some attractions also have a surcharge for non Thais.

Hotels? Most have a Thai resident rate.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116730]I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Never have seen two price points at a restaurant before but I have seen higher costs at restaurants in touristy areas but this seems to be a global phenomenon.

Also, taxis, motorcycle and car, in touristy areas like Suhkumvit, will often try and get higher fares from all passengers, including locals. One method that usually works for me is to just climb in close the door and tell them where I'm going. Rarely ever get said no to with this technique, which I learned from a Thai friend. One thing that the motorcycle guys will try to do is take advantage of someone who isn't in the know so its a good idea to learn the general fare rates for distance and times of day. This goes for everyone though.

One area though where there is an obvious fare difference for locals and non-locals is with tourism attractions. But I also find this to be a norm around the world. I think its unfair for locals to pay or pay the same amount as a foreigner to go to a temple or visit the Grand Palace.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2116744]You hit the nail on the head.

Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.

To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.[/QUOTE]But what about all those Asian guys I see walking out with Thermae hookers on their way in groups to a disco and a night out drinking?

Aside from that, I don't think the Farang soapy customers are looking to take the girl out for shopping, dinner and breakfast in the morning any more than the Asian soapy customers are. But if we're going to pay an extra 500 baht, it might be nice if she at least omitted the condom before giving us oral foreplay. Or is that too unbecoming and sad for us to expect, too?

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2116598]Thanks for the reply, looks like my only option is smooci after midnight as don't have a car and probably get lost in taxi.

Will try and sneak away to try Lord at 3 pm.

Is it the same each day, number of customers wise, are there punters weekends and weekdays? Might try and go on a Wednesday 3 pm.[/QUOTE]There are customers on weekdays and weekends. The parking lots would be pretty much full from 6 pm onwards.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116463]Read my previous post about it again. I'm half korean half chinese FYI so there's your answer.

I've been living and working in Bangkok since I was 19 and most of my friends here are 18-29 years of age. I've had the same conversations with everyone of all backgrounds and ages, be it university students, professional corporate workers or escorts / working girls; all answers are the same, westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.

Let me share with you just 1 of many personal encounters of this sort.

I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.

Don't get me started on other examples.

At Grandaddy Perp. I absolutely agree with you.[/QUOTE]There are rude people everywhere, including in the West. I have also suffered from instances where I did someone a small favor and they couldn't be bothered to say "thank you. " But that doesn't mean they were racist, particularly given that I am white and I have certainly run across white (as well as other race) people who fail to say "thank you" when it is appropriate. My typical response to failures to say "thank you" is to say sarcastically say "you're welcome. ".

Having said this, if your example is the best you can do to support your statement "most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance" it is pretty pathetic.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116463]You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance.

I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.[/QUOTE]BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.

Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.

I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US.

Most of the westerners I know and am friends with have made the effort to learn the local language and customs so as to be able to fit in as best as possible wherever the chose to reside or work, and truth be told I know very few who have close local male friends here. That goes for folks I know who have lived in Korea, Japan, and China. The exceptions seem to be Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Singapore. Contrast this with some dudes I know who have lived in Brazil where as soon as you learn Portuguese the local guys are inviting you to their house for a BBQ and introducing you to their hot sister or cousin. Personally I'd really like to have close local friends, but methinks the cultural chasms are just to vast.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2116778]There are rude people everywhere, including in the West. I have also suffered from instances where I did someone a small favor and they couldn't be bothered to say "thank you. " But that doesn't mean they were racist, particularly given that I am white and I have certainly run across white (as well as other race) people who fail to say "thank you" when it is appropriate. My typical response to failures to say "thank you" is to say sarcastically say "you're welcome. ".

Having said this, if your example is the best you can do to support your statement "most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance" it is pretty pathetic.[/QUOTE]You want more? Sure.

2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?

Another example, this time in Singapore. I was waiting to cross the road and I see this group next to me, 2 Singaporeans, 1 westerner. Now the timer just reset with a pretty long wait. The white guy wanted to cross no matter and the Singaporean lady in the group told him to stop and wait for the green pedestrian light. Guess what he said to her? "Nah it's ok they won't dare to drive into a white guy" and proceeded to cross, blocking traffic who has the right of way. Do you know how arrogant that is? Or is that example still "pretty pathetic" to you LA Guy?

A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116779]BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.

Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.

I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US..[/QUOTE]You are right, racism works both ways and that cultural chasms are indeed a factor that won't go away any time soon.

Yes I know!! Even the Chinese Thais are still not really on par with the pure Chinese and Koreans. Very hard to find a girl with white skin here. I'll be in shanghai and Korea for the entire month of January, visiting family and of course, taking some time to enjoy the MPs / Saunas there. My friend just opened a sauna and gentlemen's club in shanghai so I'll be checking it out. If you're interested in visiting just tell me, I'll ensure that you're well taken care of.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116779]BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.

Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.

I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US.

Most of the westerners I know and am friends with have made the effort to learn the local language and customs so as to be able to fit in as best as possible wherever the chose to reside or work, and truth be told I know very few who have close local male friends here. That goes for folks I know who have lived in Korea, Japan, and China. The exceptions seem to be Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Singapore. Contrast this with some dudes I know who have lived in Brazil where as soon as you learn Portuguese the local guys are inviting you to their house for a BBQ and introducing you to their hot sister or cousin. Personally I'd really like to have close local friends, but methinks the cultural chasms are just to vast.[/QUOTE]You're basing your assumptions of the the the highest of society. Those hot Chinese and Korean women that you see roaming the streets with their cameras, lacy cloths, and frilly hats are generally high-so women who come to Thailand for to have sex with the ripped Thai guys scamming jet skis on the beach. Go figure. Actually, that's not all they come for but we can't discuss the other on this site.

I also find your comment about the lack of Thai male friends to be very typical but it proves the racism because Thai men are generally keen to befriend anyone who makes even a moderately half-hearted attempt to share a beer or a bottle of whiskey. I've spent time in all of the countries you've mentioned and Thais are at the top of the list when it comes to being the friendliest and most happy-go-lucky people you'll encounter. Of course, if you're over the age of say 40 you may have a difficult time getting a date with their 20 year old sister but I would thinks that would be a reasonable decision on their part and would question any brother who would do otherwise.

The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116800]
A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?[/QUOTE]So the Singaporean man generalised about an entire racial group on the basis of the actions of one person, in much the same way that you're doing. Your anecdotes (if true) don't reveal anything more than the massive chip on your shoulder.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116800]
2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?[/QUOTE]This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.

[QUOTE=*****man;2116858]So the Singaporean man generalised about an entire racial group on the basis of the actions of one person, in much the same way that you're doing. Your anecdotes (if true) don't reveal anything more than the massive chip on your shoulder.[/QUOTE]Just 1 action from 1 person doesn't make people react that way. It's multiple negative experiences like that that makes one react that way. Sorry man if you've really been reading my posts you will know it.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116800]You want more? Sure.

2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?

Another example, this time in Singapore. I was waiting to cross the road and I see this group next to me, 2 Singaporeans, 1 westerner. Now the timer just reset with a pretty long wait. The white guy wanted to cross no matter and the Singaporean lady in the group told him to stop and wait for the green pedestrian light. Guess what he said to her? "Nah it's ok they won't dare to drive into a white guy" and proceeded to cross, blocking traffic who has the right of way. Do you know how arrogant that is? Or is that example still "pretty pathetic" to you LA Guy?

A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?[/QUOTE]It is not a matter of white, yellow, brown or black, I think most people will act that way because people are known to be self centered. In Japan I met many Asian jerks from western countries or other Asian countries. Don't generalize even Asian people have no respect for others. P.S. To me, all Asians look alike, I've never seen any white Asians unless they are Eurasian (mixed race). Only in the USA without taking Asians living in other countries into account. Many streets are dirtied by Asians, many of them throw their waste right in the street and many places are smelly. Everybody makes a mess, It is human. People are just used to their own rule, every country is ruled differently. Different mentality, culture and so on.

P.S: I am not Asian and speak Japanese, I know Japan very well because I've been living out there for a while. What I can say is many Japanese people don't really like Chinese people because they have no respect for their environment. Anyway, Good people are everywhere like bad people. The problem is not about race, the problem always comes from education. Ignorance take over people regardless of race. Many people are not ashamed of sullying their race reputation.

Enjoy your vacation and don't waste your time on what people people of other races do.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2116862]This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.[/QUOTE]Yes, that example was about rudeness as you pointed out. I specifically typed that out in my post if you take a look again.

Mmmm yes I've seen that. On Sukhumvit Soi 26 there is a shop that only let's Japanese customers in. Not sure if the owner is Japanese or Thai. The staff who spoke to me there was Japanese. I guess that's an accurate example of racism? On a side note, this is quite prevalent in Japan from what I've read.

My own experience here is 12 years of mostly full time. I'll present a couple of examples of how racist Thai people are. Not just rude but racist, based on my first hand experiences with people that I know pretty well. Two Thai brothers from South Thailand not only refer to the Issaan population of Thailand as "buffaloes", they ridicule their language as "Lao". Another man with his own company had several Muslim employees. Thinking that he might be too, one day I felt comfortable enough to ask him. "No I'm Thai". I got exactly the same answer from a working girl last week when I asked if she was from Issaan. Where I live local Thais hire many laborers from Myanmar. Local Thais express nothing but disdain for them. And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2117014]My own experience here is 12 years of mostly full time. I'll present a couple of examples of how racist Thai people are. Not just rude but racist, based on my first hand experiences with people that I know pretty well. Two Thai brothers from South Thailand not only refer to the Issaan population of Thailand as "buffaloes", they ridicule their language as "Lao". Another man with his own company had several Muslim employees. Thinking that he might be too, one day I felt comfortable enough to ask him. "No I'm Thai". I got exactly the same answer from a working girl last week when I asked if she was from Issaan. Where I live local Thais hire many laborers from Myanmar. Local Thais express nothing but disdain for them. And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.[/QUOTE]It's widespread through out Asia. My wife is Asian and some of the things she says about other Asian countries and different areas of the country she originates from are very disturbing but widespread. Every ethnic group is racist but it is whitey that has to feel guilty about it.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2117014]...And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.[/QUOTE]Indeed, that has been my experience, from living and traveling long enough. People always find a way to make fun of, or demean, people from a different ethnicity, or a different city, like city folks vs country side folks. There is nothing to like about that but that's how the world is at this time.

[QUOTE=AlphaPunk2;2116883]Yes, that example was about rudeness as you pointed out. I specifically typed that out in my post if you take a look again.

Mmmm yes I've seen that. On Sukhumvit Soi 26 there is a shop that only let's Japanese customers in. Not sure if the owner is Japanese or Thai. The staff who spoke to me there was Japanese. I guess that's an accurate example of racism? On a side note, this is quite prevalent in Japan from what I've read.[/QUOTE]Japanese people think they are above everybody, when you are in Japan you are considered to be a guest. Japanese also look down on other Asians.

Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier. Even other Asians are not admitted to soaplands due to their lack of communication.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2116839]You're basing your assumptions of the the the highest of society. Those hot Chinese and Korean women that you see roaming the streets with their cameras, lacy cloths, and frilly hats are generally high-so women who come to Thailand for to have sex with the ripped Thai guys scamming jet skis on the beach. Go figure. Actually, that's not all they come for but we can't discuss the other on this site.

I also find your comment about the lack of Thai male friends to be very typical but it proves the racism because Thai men are generally keen to befriend anyone who makes even a moderately half-hearted attempt to share a beer or a bottle of whiskey. I've spent time in all of the countries you've mentioned and Thais are at the top of the list when it comes to being the friendliest and most happy-go-lucky people you'll encounter. Of course, if you're over the age of say 40 you may have a difficult time getting a date with their 20 year old sister but I would thinks that would be a reasonable decision on their part and would question any brother who would do otherwise.

The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.[/QUOTE]Having a beer with someone is one thing; forming a close lasting friendship is another. I have some fine acquaintances here, but close local friends, no. So no, I don't think that proves racism at all. And those who have lived here will probably attest to the fact that many Thais who try to "befriend" you are not interested in getting to know you; they have other motives, especially if they feel you can do something for them. And yes, as I have stated, the Thai P4 P scene is catering to the Asian male now and his wants and needs are very different from those of the Western man. Western men are better off in South America these days. Indo is still a decent choice in Asia though.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2117043]Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier.[/QUOTE]Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.

It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Similar places in Thailand have the same communication problems, but welcome foreigners. In fact, thinking about it, ONLY places in Thailand rejecting foreigners are those catering to Japanese.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2117114]Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.
It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. [/QUOTE]Of course it's racism, language barrier it is just an excuse but is clear the message "japanese only". Anyway Japan is a beautiful country for sightseeing, and is more easy to dating regular japanese girls online instead of P4 P. Fortunately we have other countries to visit for a good mongering scene.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2117114]Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.

It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Similar places in Thailand have the same communication problems, but welcome foreigners. In fact, thinking about it, ONLY places in Thailand rejecting foreigners are those catering to Japanese.[/QUOTE]Absolute racism and that seems to still permeate Japan. Just look at the way Koreans who have lived there for generations are treated. And yes, the "Japanese Only" clubs are overtly racist as are the bars that don't allow Indians. Sad that you still see that sort of thing anywhere on the planet.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2117043]Japanese people think they are above everybody, when you are in Japan you are considered to be a guest. Japanese also look down on other Asians.

Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier. Even other Asians are not admitted to soaplands due to their lack of communication.[/QUOTE]Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.

I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2117176]Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.

I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.[/QUOTE]Good, you have been to Tokyo 3 times so now you know everything about Tokyo. I ve been living in Tokyo for a while, I have never had any trouble in Japan as a foreigner since I was able to keep a conversation in Japanese. I ve never been interested in mongering in Asian countries. Mongering scenes in Thailland is a waste of time unless you are only into Asians. I only monger in Russia, Brazil and some Eastern European countries. Japan is only for money.

I know Japanese people can't stand Chinese people. What they most hate is more and more Chinese people immigrate to their country. The last thing they want is to be invaded by other Asians.

Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2116839]
The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2117095]...Western men are better off in South America these days. Indo is still a decent choice in Asia though.[/QUOTE]I am fairly familiar with South America, Tijuana, Rio, and Colombia, but I have also been mongering in Thailand since 2003, for a total of 20+ trips so far. I have been observing the teansition where Thai folks are catering more to Asians. I was shocked when I took a Chinese friend to Poseidon a few years back. I was charged the 500 bahts Farang surcharge and he was not, yet it was his first time in Thailand and the Poseidon staff knew me as I have been there many times. I never went back to that place.

However, I wanted to say that, for me at least, Thailand is still better than South America. Indeed, the white male is treated better there, but the service is still lacking, much more difficult to get GFE.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2117176]Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.

I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.[/QUOTE]"P4P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money. " Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash."

If its not as easy as sex for money than why do you need a wallet full of cash?

Your comments about Thaiya are also somewhat false or old news.

Many of the establishments in Thaniya are farang friendly now at least as far as letting you enter the premise, and all but a couple will allow Asian looking men. The only problem is that majority of the girls speak very little English and the business model is more catering to Asian tastes.

Most of the bars have 600 baht all you can drink promos. You then pay a couple of hundred baht per hour for the girl and also drinks. BFs are 600-1000 and the girls will go with customers without much hassle and expect to pay 2000-2500 for ST and 3000-4000 for LT. I usually go for a couple of hours and then take a girl out and pay around 4000-5000 all in. Not much different than a night out in an agogo.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2117433]Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.[/QUOTE]Did you ever consider that many Westerners leave the West hoping to avoid the prejudice, racism, and intolerance that exists in their home nations because they find is appalling? I certainly do. It sure was a surprise when I found out that Asia tends to be worse than the West in this regard.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2117433]Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.[/QUOTE]I've had many conversations with friends about this and it's always interesting to watch then reply with the "but I'm different line". They were completely oblivious to the fact that everyone else is too.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2117433]Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I don't consider being charged more because of attitude or the perception that you have more money to be racism. But then again, my idea of racism is based on there being a core element of hate due to a superiority complex in relation to race. While Thais do have some elements of this, it tends to be based on socio-economics, nationalism, and plain old ignorance with the last one being the biggie. But to say that it's the same or worse than the west (not you but someone else said this) is a bit far fetched.

In the West, we see a lot more violence based on this hatred. Also, there is widespread institutional racism and bigotry in the West. And due to the mixing of cultures and races in the West we often see more instances of racism than in a less culturally diverse country like Thailand. This is not an excuse though as this melting pot is the foundation of America but some specific groups continue to let their 'colors run deep'.

Getting back to the P4Pscene, there are just too many instances where we see farangs acting like their shit doesn't stink or thinking that are still in Kansas. For the most part, the Thais just ignore it, sabai sabai but I'm seeing things starting to change. The crazy tourism boom of the last 7 years or so is partly to blame. Also, the abrupt globalization of Bangkok has also rubbed quite a few people the wrong way as well but it at least brought in enough money for many to finally be able to feel that they are on equal or even an elevated playing ground.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2116862]This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.[/QUOTE]+1.

Nailed it in 2 lines.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2117909]+1.

Nailed it in 2 lines.[/QUOTE]Where you been Nic? You still alive? Welcome back.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2117964]Where you been Nic? You still alive? Welcome back.[/QUOTE]Thanks LBM, I've been off PVP (still am), just stumbled upon the forum (an old bookmark, LOL).

It's good to see things change but things also stay the same.

How you been?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2116862]This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.[/QUOTE]I think you got your sense of proportion a bit wrong here. To me the first incident you mention is far worse than certain clubs and MPs in Bangkok telling me for Japanese customers only, or I must buy a drink before entry into Bacarra (which I won't risk wasting my time doing due to problem to get a decent seat).

I feel that clubs are not so bad when they select what types of customers they want for one reason or another. Indians have a bad reputation for being the customers that complain the most, cause the most trouble, and spend the least. It is somewhat understandable that some venues just want to avoid those hassles.

The restaurant chef told me that a customer ate the expensive seafood portion of his plate and then complained his food did not taste nice and wanted a replacement or a refund. One guess what nationality he was. Yes it is wrong to assume that all persons of a race will be equally bad, and we should give people a chance to prove the generalisation is wrong. Unfortunately many places think they can sum up the character of a potential customer with a quick glance at him. So it is wise not to look like some stereotype.

I do understand that very full clubs like Bacarra maybe trying to discourage me from being a waste of space in their club, and they seek to maximise there profit. Some types of customers have a lower probability of being good spending customers, and lack of trouble customers.

I have been refused entry to some clubs because I wore sandals rather than shoes and socks. Seems a strange rule to me, but I accept they can decide who they want. There were alternative places that would take me. I almost never wear shoes and socks in Thailand. It's too hot and sticky for that mostly.

I would love it if all bars and clubs excluded stinky customers, regardless of their nationality. Sitting next to someone with severe B.O. is definitely a problem for me. Cigar smoking should also not be permitted. That is also hard to tolerate.

Anyone know where Sandy from Addicts Massage has gone?

I loved those silicons and she was very serviced orientated.

My wording was not quite clear.

Clothes money skin color line was about the comments here about all the reasons why Indians and south Asians aren't the victims of racism but it's their own fault as if to say well if you were more like us you wouldn't get treated so badly. They are cheap, they are smelly they are. This is racism marked up as your own fault darkie. Whatever the rights and wrongs of these sentiments, the double standard is when the white or westerner man experiences discrimination its not their own fault its an outrageous racism from the yellow man to the white man and must be stopped. It's amusing.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2117832]Sorry but I don't consider being charged more because of attitude or the perception that you have more money to be racism. But then again, my idea of racism is based on there being a core element of hate due to a superiority complex in relation to race. While Thais do have some elements of this, it tends to be based on socio-economics, nationalism, and plain old ignorance with the last one being the biggie. But to say that it's the same or worse than the west (not you but someone else said this) is a bit far fetched.

In the West, we see a lot more violence based on this hatred. Also, there is widespread institutional racism and bigotry in the West. And due to the mixing of cultures and races in the West we often see more instances of racism than in a less culturally diverse country like Thailand. This is not an excuse though as this melting pot is the foundation of America but some specific groups continue to let their 'colors run deep'.

Getting back to the P4Pscene, there are just too many instances where we see farangs acting like their shit doesn't stink or thinking that are still in Kansas. For the most part, the Thais just ignore it, sabai sabai but I'm seeing things starting to change. The crazy tourism boom of the last 7 years or so is partly to blame. Also, the abrupt globalization of Bangkok has also rubbed quite a few people the wrong way as well but it at least brought in enough money for many to finally be able to feel that they are on equal or even an elevated playing ground.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2117832]In the West, we see a lot more violence based on this hatred. Also, there is widespread institutional racism and bigotry in the West. And due to the mixing of cultures and races in the West we often see more instances of racism than in a less culturally diverse country like Thailand. This is not an excuse though as this melting pot is the foundation of America but some specific groups continue to let their 'colors run deep'.

Getting back to the P4Pscene, there are just too many instances where we see farangs acting like their shit doesn't stink or thinking that are still in Kansas. For the most part, the Thais just ignore it, sabai sabai but I'm seeing things starting to change. The crazy tourism boom of the last 7 years or so is partly to blame. Also, the abrupt globalization of Bangkok has also rubbed quite a few people the wrong way as well but it at least brought in enough money for many to finally be able to feel that they are on equal or even an elevated playing ground.[/QUOTE]Huh? You have got to be kidding me. Racism in Asia is way worse than it is in the West. See Japan, Korea, the treatment on Indian and Chinese Malaysian citizens in Malaysia (one of the largest examples of institutional racism I have ever witnessed), and well, what do we have going on in Myanmar at the moment. Yes, there is racism in the West, but the West actually passes laws and educates in order to do something about it.

Checked out Ocean MP tonight for the first time in a while and wow what a horror show of fuglies. There seems to have been a price hike too as the one girl on the left was 2100 but looked totally average and not even young, while the girls on the right were all fat and old and priced at 2800 baht. Alright, it's the peak season and Saturday night but an MP should have girls coming back for customer number 2 or 3. I have no idea who they think is going to pay 2800 for the fuglies on the right. Maybe someone with a horny housewives fetish.

Think I'm going to have to book an Addict girl for tomorrow. Any recommendation for a nice young one with no baby?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2085747]Newly revamped lobby: very pretty.

Line-up was decent. I caught the eye of one girl with short hair and nice thighs as she lined up, and ended up picking her. Name was Carla. She says she's 20 year old. Her body is definitely 20 year old: natural B--cup tits, no baby, slim in that healty / skinny kind of way that can only exist in the ripe and nubile body of a 20 year old. Face looks a bit older, maybe 24: too much whitening make-up. But who cares.

She's been working there only one month. She's a University student. Certainly smart enough to be credible about that.

Very good massage. After the flip she was very sensual. It's up close and intimate with her. Lipstick traces everywhere.

She's not very accustomed to Farang size obviously, but quite the trooper. She even asked me for the permission to add KY jelly after it became too painful. Advice: make sure she puts it on first, even if she forgets. Apart from the young tight body and the sensual intimacy, her best qualities are her moans. She just keeps on going as long as she's pounded, and that really got my rocks off to an explosive doggy-style finish.

Recommend? Yes, she's borderline girlfriend material, so I'm surprised she's even still turning tricks. Just make sure she's well lubed, maybe DATY would help (I don't do that). Repeat? Possibly. There was another intriguing, taller girl in the line-up that I want to try first though.

All in all, Addict has nicely reshaped its premises to keep up with the competition from Club 102, and between the two of them they are like a monger magnet.[/QUOTE]This girl sounds my type except the short hair. How short is it? Neck-length is ok but I wouldn't want anything tomboyish.

Was going to Dozo but they told me they random select your girl you don't get a choice do left.

Few doors down on other side was this place that looked brand newish plus large selection of hotties.

There website also has accurate photos.

Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.

Would recommend.

[URL]http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed[/URL]

Good to see a new recommendation. Can you share more details on services and pricing. BBBJ? Rimming? DATY? DFK?

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2120318]Was going to Dozo but they told me they random select your girl you don't get a choice do left.

Few doors down on other side was this place that looked brand newish plus large selection of hotties.

There website also has accurate photos.

Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.

Would recommend.

[URL]http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2120318]Was going to Dozo but they told me they random select your girl you don't get a choice do left.

Few doors down on other side was this place that looked brand newish plus large selection of hotties.

There website also has accurate photos.

Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.

Would recommend.

[URL]http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen some of those girls on another website, Miss BJ I think but it could be All Stars.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2120318]
Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.
Would recommend.
[URL]http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2120471]Good to see a new recommendation. Can you share more details on services and pricing. BBBJ? Rimming? DATY? DFK?[/QUOTE]Price are listed on their website. I am also curious to know about the service. If CIM, anal, multishot, etc. Are included or not.

The girl called Carla / Kara who got good reviews here no longer works at Addict. As there were some clueless Japanese guys taking ages to choose and I've never had a good experience at Addict, I decided to check out Hera's. In answer to the other posters, you will absolutely not get PSE service here as a lot of the girls are newbies and it clearly just isn't that kind of place. I chose Kuga and it turned out alright. She looks just like the photos and doesn't have a baby but she has a hairy minge and was doing the 'I shy' thing a bit. She did offer a BBBJ, took direction reasonably well, knows how to massage and has quite a pleasant personality but overall it was just an average session and the owner is quite miserable so I won't be back.

Any new talent here in terms of baby-free A+ girls? I haven't been back since listening to Ae's rant against European men but it used to be my favourite place by a mile.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120610]The girl called Carla / Kara who got good reviews here no longer works at Addict. As there were some clueless Japanese guys taking ages to choose and I've never had a good experience at Addict, I decided to check out Hera's. In answer to the other posters, you will absolutely not get PSE service here as a lot of the girls are newbies and it clearly just isn't that kind of place. I chose Kuga and it turned out alright. She looks just like the photos and doesn't have a baby but she has a hairy minge and was doing the 'I shy' thing a bit. She did offer a BBBJ, took direction reasonably well, knows how to massage and has quite a pleasant personality but overall it was just an average session and the owner is quite miserable so I won't be back.[/QUOTE]Great followup contribution. Thanks.

I repeated with Wei at Chrome Bar soi 7/1 this week and will do so again. Very skilled provider. Not a fan of bolt-ONS but her service overshadows it. It is nuru massage and I have never experienced it elsewhere so cannot compare that part. When it comes time for my often elusive happy ending she is gets it done every time. Catch her on the 25th if you can as she is gone from the 26th to the 4th.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120610]The girl called Carla / Kara who got good reviews here no longer works at Addict. As there were some clueless Japanese guys taking ages to choose and I've never had a good experience at Addict, I decided to check out Hera's. In answer to the other posters, you will absolutely not get PSE service here as a lot of the girls are newbies and it clearly just isn't that kind of place. I chose Kuga and it turned out alright. She looks just like the photos and doesn't have a baby but she has a hairy minge and was doing the 'I shy' thing a bit. She did offer a BBBJ, took direction reasonably well, knows how to massage and has quite a pleasant personality but overall it was just an average session and the owner is quite miserable so I won't be back.[/QUOTE]Just a follow up to Hera's one of the gilrs listed on website "Cat" which is 5th from bottom looks to be a 5 star girl on smooci with name "Cathy".

My session was only hour there with Jacuzzi so not enough time for multi-shot, got a BBBJ in tub and DATY on bed, didn't ask about anal, doubt be on offer from girl I was with. But yeah, they do as they told in terms of following instructions.

Lady owner (Thai married to Korean apparently) can get a little pissy, I had to cancel a booking and she got short with me, so yeah she not the best PR person, but I guess you need to be a strict ***** to run a stable.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120612]Any new talent here in terms of baby-free A+ girls? I haven't been back since listening to Ae's rant against European men but it used to be my favourite place by a mile.[/QUOTE]Emmy. Very good A+ service and no baby.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2120931]Emmy. Very good A+ service and no baby.[/QUOTE]Emmy's been there for years. By 'new talent' I mean someone who has started working there in the past few months or who hasn't been reviewed here.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2120865]

Lady owner (Thai married to Korean apparently) can get a little pissy, I had to cancel a booking and she got short with me, so yeah she not the best PR person, but I guess you need to be a strict ***** to run a stable.[/QUOTE]That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120946]That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.[/QUOTE]'au naturel'= BBFS? Did you get that too?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2120973]'au naturel'= BBFS? Did you get that too?[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about? Au naturel doesn't mean BBFS. I think everyone except you knows what I mean.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120984]WTF are you talking about? Au naturel doesn't mean BBFS. I think everyone except you knows what I mean.[/QUOTE]Since I obviously don't know what you mean by them going "au naturel", care to enlighten me?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2121001]Since I obviously don't know what you mean by them going "au naturel", care to enlighten me?[/QUOTE]
I've always known it to mean “in it’s natural state”, which means not shaved. Which would apply to legs, armpits, and pussy. And some au naturel ladies have some really, really thick hair.

Not my thing, though. I prefer all body parts besides the scalp and eyebrows to be clean shaven and sweet smelling.

[QUOTE=David2;2121031]I've always known it to mean in its natural state[/QUOTE]Right, the term derives from 19th century French, which translates literally "in the natural state", thus it's first reference is to being nude or naked.

But over the centuries, the term has broadened in its application and usage:

Merriam Webster's Definition of au naturel.

1 : cooked or served plainly.
2 a: being in natural style or condition. Like hair.
2 be: nude.

Urban Dictionary's Definition of au naturel.

1) In a natural state, pristine, unadulterated.
2) Not wearing clothes, nude.
3) Not wearing makeup, fresh-faced.

I usually use the term to refer to either nudity or to describe a fresh, no makeup or natural hair color or natural hair style attribute in girl. So I think we would all get it if someone were to write, "her pussy was au naturel" ie she was sporting a full bush.

On a board like this or when speaking about prostitutes I always thought it meant natural Bush or not shaved. But it only applies to the pussy and no other parts of the body.

Good to see that everyone else got it. It's fairly obvious as I'd already referred to her 'hairy minge' in the original report.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2120545]Price are listed on their website. I am also curious to know about the service. If CIM, anal, multishot, etc. Are included or not.[/QUOTE]If CIM and multishot, I'm so going for a 120 minute gel massage with Mew if those prices are all inclusive!

[QUOTE=*****man;2120946]That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.[/QUOTE]Disturbing trend at many of the shops, even some of the gals in the PSE places. Yep, seems the Asian dudes like pubes and they are outnumbering us now. Not I, nor would I guess many of the Western dudes. A landing strip is ok, but a jungle? Absolutely not.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121147]Disturbing trend at many of the shops, even some of the gals in the PSE places. Yep, seems the Asian dudes like pubes and they are outnumbering us now. Not I, nor would I guess many of the Western dudes. A landing strip is ok, but a jungle? Absolutely not.[/QUOTE]That thick rug of long pubes that some Asian women have is a boner killer for me so I'm going to have to start asking the mamasan to only show me the trimmed or shaven girls. All the PSE girls I've had have at least been trimmed. Snow White's Nonny started giving it a full shave because she said the customers preferred it, and she ended up marrying a Korean. But it seems most Asian men prefer a full bush.

[QUOTE=*****man;2121193]That thick rug of long pubes that some Asian women have is a boner killer for me so I'm going to have to start asking the mamasan to only show me the trimmed or shaven girls. All the PSE girls I've had have at least been trimmed. Snow White's Nonny started giving it a full shave because she said the customers preferred it, and she ended up marrying a Korean. But it seems most Asian men prefer a full bush.[/QUOTE]Many years ago a mamasan in Cambo said that many Asian men consider "bald tiger" to be a sign of ill health.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2120865]Lady owner (Thai married to Korean apparently) can get a little pissy, I had to cancel a booking and she got short with me, so yeah she not the best PR person, but I guess you need to be a strict ***** to run a stable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=====*****man;2120946]That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.[/QUOTE]Vrsabien posting that the lady owner "can get a little pissy" and may need to be a "strict * leads you to conclude "That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel' and she is enforcing a hairy minge standard? Quite a leap, given you only went with one girl, who happened to have one, and also an incorrect one, since the girl I went with two weeks ago was not "au naturel", but was bbfs.

Further, you would not feel "comfortable" asking the owner if a girl had a Bush or not? Is she that intimidating? You're in a brothel; they've heard it all before. If you can ask in these places if a girl takes it up the ass, asking if she has a Bush is nothing. However, asking if the girl does BBFS is probably the one no no in these places, which was why I asked if by "au naturel" you meant BBFS.

I once asked a very sexy Darling 1 Chinese girl I met in Macau why she had an au naturel pussy (a long & stringy bush). The majority of Chinese girls I have had over the years were hairy. She said she was modest and prefered the cover it provided. For some reason that alludes me, NE Asian guys like long and stringy by a wide margin. Maybe it is simply because that is what they are used to or as Goat suggests it is historically a sign of good feminine health.

I like a good trim or total bareness. The sight of certain labia's and clits turn me on. Many times I decide to go down or not go down on a girl only after getting a really good look at her pussy. With that Chinese Darling 1 girl I mentioned above, I did go down on her hairy stringy vagina. Once in a rare while I like that that too. It's kind of kinky and reminds me of the good ol' days (pre 1985 before I even considered wearing a condom). 555! She was a great girl. I had a really good time with her.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2121139]If CIM and multishot, I'm so going for a 120 minute gel massage with Mew if those prices are all inclusive![/QUOTE]Good to hear about this place, and the well endowed Mew gets my vote too.

Look forward to a report on her if you get to her before me.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2121306]I once asked a very sexy Darling 1 Chinese girl I met in Macau why she had an au naturel pussy (a long & stringy bush). The majority of Chinese girls I have had over the years were hairy. She said she was modest and prefered the cover it provided. For some reason that alludes me, NE Asian guys like long and stringy by a wide margin. Maybe it is simply because that is what they are used to or as Goat suggests it is historically a sign of good feminine health. [/QUOTE]DATY isn't much of a thing in Asia and a Bush shows signs of maturity.

Crocodile the Chinese ones I had really good service from were in Malaysia.

So much more choice there.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2121608]Good to hear about this place, and the well endowed Mew gets my vote too.

Look forward to a report on her if you get to her before me.[/QUOTE]Likewise! If you make it there first report back please!

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2121815]DATY isn't much of a thing in Asia and a Bush shows signs of maturity.[/QUOTE]Yes, the gal having a good time seems to be far from most of the local punter's minds. But if the gal is enjoying herself the session will be more fun. For most of the locals it is about their own ego. For me Bush shows a sign off lack of care with grooming and in some cases poor hygiene. Of course aesthetics is simply personal taste and for me a hairy bush is a complete turn off.

Mango has posted their schedule; closed the 29th through the 31st and Cherry; 30th through the 1st. Anyone know about SW, Tulip, or Boss?

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2121815]DATY isn't much of a thing in Asia and a Bush shows signs of maturity.[/QUOTE]I don't know about all Asia, but in Thailand, big Bush shows signs of gross inexperience in sex and also in the P4 P industry. Not maturity at all, unless I just never did any girls old enough. Most girls I did with very hairy pussy were also very young and new to P4 P. Would never get away with that in a nudie bar in the modern day. LOL.

Girls had a lot more Bush 25 years ago. In Long Gun the actual crack was not that evident in early 2000's or late 1990's due to pussy hair covering, even if hair was trimmed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122242]Mango has posted their schedule; closed the 29th through the 31st and Cherry; 30th through the 1st. Anyone know about SW, Tulip, or Boss?[/QUOTE]Not strictly for this thread but in answer to your question, Tulip is closed January 1, 2 and 3. Reopening 4th.

Snow White mamasan just told me they are open as usual over the new year. She also said she is expecting new girls soon, maybe. Let's have some reports on them when they arrive.

Traditionally in China a naturally hairless pussy is a "white tiger" and fucking one will bring bad luck.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121229]Many years ago a mamasan in Cambo said that many Asian men consider "bald tiger" to be a sign of ill health.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kajos;2122867]Traditionally in China a naturally hairless pussy is a "white tiger" and fucking one will bring bad luck.[/QUOTE]Now that explains my problems? Will have to counter with some snake dick, blood and some aged whiskey.

Hi guys,

I was wondering, what the mongering opportunities are along Sukhumvit, beyond ThongLo.

Surely, Tulip cannot be the last outpost for bliss before Terra Incognita.

The BTS goes to Bearing and beyond, so surely there must be places to relax along the way.

Can anyone please report?

Happy New Year to you all!

DS.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;2123053]Hi guys,
I was wondering, what the mongering opportunities are along Sukhumvit, beyond ThongLo.
Surely, Tulip cannot be the last outpost for bliss before Terra Incognita.
The BTS goes to Bearing and beyond, so surely there must be places to relax along the way.
Can anyone please report?
Happy New Year to you all!
DS.[/QUOTE]You could check soi 103 (Udom Suk BTS station).

Pardon the typos. I am on mobile and won't take the time to correct my fat thumb typing.

A page or two back someone posted the Hera's massage link and people wanted feedback. This is my experience.

I made an appointment via Line app with Mew at 3 pm. The place seems a bit pricey. 2700 baht for two hours with the big jacuzzi room. All inclusive (I tipped 300 to make it 3000 baht even. Ouch).

The facilities themselves are nice. New place and everything is looking as such. I bet you can get a lineup, as the girls are all in a room behind the front desk. I walked by and the door is wide open with 10 girls or so. Some young hotties.

If you want specific girls from the website, they have pics. Make an appointment. But from the looks you will be fine just dropping in.

Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.

Service: pretty sure this is a one pop shop. They bring one condom only. You get in the tub together, wash up, get a BJ, then move to the bed for more.

My time with Mew went super off script and I am 100% very different than other people (I paod for the gel massage but skipped it. She was going to BJ tease then body massage then FS I think. I got excited and skipped the massage. After we were cuddling and she did the "ow" on her neck and shoulder. So, long story short, I gave HER a 45 minute deep tissue massage on exchange for fucking a second time. Not GFE at all, but a really funny sweet girl. Very little English. Very. Unusual experience but I enjoyed it. Not something ID usually do but I really enjoyed massaging her beautiful lady.

So, all in all, one pop massage so keep that in mind when looking at your time. No CIM but I didn't ask. Might get that from some girls. If Mew don't expect kissing and such, though she gives a great BJ. If you are 6+ inches go with someone else though. I am 7 inches and was being gentle and fucked her up. I asked for doggy and the look of fear. Hahaha. Not magnum approved. Not even close.

I might go back and try someone else tomorrow. Might hit Mew again after shaving and see if she is more receptive to kissing (she hates facial hair). I dunno why. But I want to see if I can make her GFE. I'm an idiot.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2123113]You could check soi 103 (Udom Suk BTS station).[/QUOTE]I go shopping in the makro on that road sometimes and don't think there's much worth seeing that isn't in any Thai neighbourhood. The place labelled Life on that map is opposite makro and doesn't look like a p4p place at all. Seems to be a normal health, fitness and spa venue but you never know in Thailand. In other areas of Bangkok I haven't found the karaoke places to be at all welcoming so good luck if you're planning to give them a go.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122242]Mango has posted their schedule; closed the 29th through the 31st and Cherry; 30th through the 1st. Anyone know about SW, Tulip, or Boss?[/QUOTE]Is Boss massage proper PSE like Snow White (multiple shots included by default, A+ from specific providers)?

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2123132]Pardon the typos. I am on mobile and won't take the time to correct my fat thumb typing.

A page or two back someone posted the Hera's massage link and people wanted feedback. This is my experience.

I made an appointment via Line app with Mew at 3 pm. The place seems a bit pricey. 2700 baht for two hours with the big jacuzzi room. All inclusive (I tipped 300 to make it 3000 baht even. Ouch).

The facilities themselves are nice. New place and everything is looking as such. I bet you can get a lineup, as the girls are all in a room behind the front desk. I walked by and the door is wide open with 10 girls or so. Some young hotties.

If you want specific girls from the website, they have pics. Make an appointment. But from the looks you will be fine just dropping in.

Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.

Service: pretty sure this is a one pop shop. They bring one condom only. You get in the tub together, wash up, get a BJ, then move to the bed for more.

My time with Mew went super off script and I am 100% very different than other people (I paod for the gel massage but skipped it. She was going to BJ tease then body massage then FS I think. I got excited and skipped the massage. After we were cuddling and she did the "ow" on her neck and shoulder. So, long story short, I gave HER a 45 minute deep tissue massage on exchange for fucking a second time. Not GFE at all, but a really funny sweet girl. Very little English. Very. Unusual experience but I enjoyed it. Not something ID usually do but I really enjoyed massaging her beautiful lady.

So, all in all, one pop massage so keep that in mind when looking at your time. No CIM but I didn't ask. Might get that from some girls. If Mew don't expect kissing and such, though she gives a great BJ. If you are 6+ inches go with someone else though. I am 7 inches and was being gentle and fucked her up. I asked for doggy and the look of fear. Hahaha. Not magnum approved. Not even close.

I might go back and try someone else tomorrow. Might hit Mew again after shaving and see if she is more receptive to kissing (she hates facial hair). I dunno why. But I want to see if I can make her GFE. I'm an idiot.[/QUOTE] Hera's Massage appears to be in the 3rd sub soi to the right in Sukhumvit Soi 33. Wow open till 2 AM. That could be useful.
[URL]http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed[/URL]

Hera should be pronounced like Hair-RAH, with emphasis on 2nd syllable based on the Thai script name.

The lineup on website looks quite high standard (even allowing for photoshopping). Not all girls are good looking naturally. LOL Could be no stunners at all in reality, however, I especially like the AFF look, despite suspect nose. "AFF" is not pronounable in Thai, so will be interesting to see how they pronounce it. LOL Perhaps like "App". "Mew" is probably not quite my spec. I would probably like Jenny if her tit job was more subtle (and nose job). Several girls look possibly passable to me if at all like the photos.

You made a couple of strange comments. "and I am 100% very different than other people". Not very clear what you are trying to say here. I doubt anyone is 100% unique, and it is hard to know what other customers are really like.

What does this mean: "After we were cuddling and she did the "ow" on her neck and shoulder. "? Perhaps "ow" is a Typo?

I don't see how a massage for her is an exchange for a 2nd pop, really. If she really liked you, it might have been more GFE. Generally massages for the girl are somewhat of a method to waste time, from my personal perspective. You would have to be exceptionally good for her to be really throwing in extra pops for no other reason. I prefer to waste my time with DATY. LOL I am willing to give girls a short massage if I really like them and would have been resting anyway. The girl could get a friend to massage her in between customers. So I don't like to chew up too much session time. I take your point though, that massaging the girl can be very enjoyable if she has such a great body (for a short time).

I agree that many girls do not like a brissly face, and some complain strongly about it. Some girls have lips and pussies that can get irritated quite easily. Even the redness from it can be seen. Some guys think a 3 day growth looks sexy, but really many girls don't like it, and even a 1 day growth is not a good idea. I always try to take a very thorough shave before visiting an MP to maximise chance that girl will not have adverse reaction to the feel of my face during kissing and DATY.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2123132]Pardon the typos. I am on mobile and won't take the time to correct my fat thumb typing.

A page or two back someone posted the Hera's massage link and people wanted feedback. This is my experience.

I made an appointment via Line app with Mew at 3 pm. The place seems a bit pricey. 2700 baht for two hours with the big jacuzzi room. All inclusive (I tipped 300 to make it 3000 baht even. Ouch).

The facilities themselves are nice. New place and everything is looking as such. I bet you can get a lineup, as the girls are all in a room behind the front desk. I walked by and the door is wide open with 10 girls or so. Some young hotties.

If you want specific girls from the website, they have pics. Make an appointment. But from the looks you will be fine just dropping in.

Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.

Service: pretty sure this is a one pop shop. They bring one condom only. You get in the tub together, wash up, get a BJ, then move to the bed for more.receptive to kissing (she hates facial hair). I dunno why. But I want to see if I can make her GFE. I'm an idiot.[/QUOTE]You got there before me.

Now I'm on the fence about a visit. I'm still tempted to check OT out, maybe with Mew, but spending another 750 it seems someone like Cake is available for 2 hrs via Smoochi.

If I don't get to this place, SWhite seems a better bet, based on my reading here.

Cheers for the report.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2123132]
Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.[/QUOTE]I assume she's one of the girls with the babies because I asked to see all the baby free girls and she wasn't one of them. All of the rooms were empty at the time so she wasn't busy. Did she have much baby damage?

On the website there was also a free upgrade room promotion until the 31st of December but they obviously didn't give it to you.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123301]Is Boss massage proper PSE like Snow White (multiple shots included by default, A+ from specific providers)?[/QUOTE]Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123475]Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.[/QUOTE]Any decent A+ providers? I've never been into the shop because I thought they specialised in prostate massages or something.

[QUOTE=*****man;2123479]Any decent A+ providers? I've never been into the shop because I thought they specialised in prostate massages or something.[/QUOTE]I believe there is one or two at the moment. It will list that service on the card. BTW, the cards also include comments written by customers. Rooms are also a bit nicer than the PSE shops if that makes a difference to you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123487]I believe there is one or two at the moment. It will list that service on the card. BTW, the cards also include comments written by customers. Rooms are also a bit nicer than the PSE shops if that makes a difference to you.[/QUOTE]Don't know if she does A+ but I did a chic named AunAun there, she one of their main girls with big (I think natural) tits. Photo here the 14th girl:

[URL]http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929[/URL]

She got super wet in doggy.

Did her late at night for 1 hour so only 1 shot, not sure about multishot. She also was not fan of DATY but was a good bang nonetheless due to her eagerness / wetness.

Was meaning to go back and try Maki, as young thin girl (photo 10).

Hello fellow mongers! I was an avid global monger (and a decent poster on ISG) in my day. I am no longer either, unfortunately, due to personal preferences, but I'll be visiting LOS shortly and was hoping to partake some great massage that blends in some play with the *right* areas. I believe (and regularly experience) that a lot of fun can be had without sucking or fucking if the provider is skilled and that is what all I'm looking for. Will try the old faithful Rin if she's still there at Hana. But my question is are there any places that offer a great massage with happy ending? Better yet with four hands? Old Barons providers had the skill level (although at the time I used to partake FS which was quite exquisite there). I will separately also go to traditional Thai places, but that's different. Hi.

[QUOTE=Jayf1970;2125044]Hello fellow mongers! I was an avid global monger (and a decent poster on ISG) in my day. I am no longer either, unfortunately, due to personal preferences, but I'll be visiting LOS shortly and was hoping to partake some great massage that blends in some play with the *right* areas. I believe (and regularly experience) that a lot of fun can be had without sucking or fucking if the provider is skilled and that is what all I'm looking for. Will try the old faithful Rin if she's still there at Hana. But my question is are there any places that offer a great massage with happy ending? Better yet with four hands? Old Barons providers had the skill level (although at the time I used to partake FS which was quite exquisite there). I will separately also go to traditional Thai places, but that's different. Hi.[/QUOTE]China has much better providers for this kind of long lasting quality massage ending up with a happy ending.

In BKK I'd go with either Akane or Honeybeemassage. But don't expect too much in terms of "quality massage" as its very unequal based on the provider at HoneyBee.
If you want good looking providers you can try Kapoo joints, but from what I tried, the providers are usually very unexperienced from the few places I tried.
Its rather surprising that BKK can not reliably mix high quality massage (as you get them in several veggie joints) with quality erotic happy ending from a good looking early 20s provider.

In Shanghai (and several other places in China) it's not uncommon for ok to good looking early 20s massage girls working in legit shops shifting to happy ending shops. And thats of course where you get the best of both worlds.

Hi Sinufaguo thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll try those. Two questions if you don't mind.

1. Somewhat surprised you didn't mention Mitu. There seems to be not a lot of what I'm looking for in bkk (as you mention in your post), but Mitu is a name that's been mentioned by others.

2- where do you get this in Shanghai? I tried the corner massage places and they steadfastly refused to go where I wanted them to go.

Happy to contact you on PM if that's better.

Thanks a lot. Much appreciated!

I flew into Bangkok on December 23rd and decided on a quick stop in Snow White before heading to Pattaya.

I arrived in Snow White at about 1600 and there was a line up of about 8 girls of which about 4 were quite do-able.

I asked the line up, "boom boom toot, lang lang, krie dai, khrap" - "who can take a hard ass fucking", Nearly all the girls put their hands up and I chose Audi and Aom, I don't remember the financial damage. Audi has a pretty face but some pretty heavy baby damahge. I think Aom is quite cute although carrying a few pounds, She is very pale skinned, I asked her if she was from Chiang Mai/Rai but she is from Isaan.

In the room, There was no messing, straight down to action. Aom got on her knees and started sucking my cock, I have had a lot of BJs in my life but this was a little special. Aom is the first girl I have ever met that can take my full length without gagging. I started to fuck her throat and could actually feel my cock pushing down the back of her throat and through into a soft velvety area behind, tI was glorious but the amazing bit was there was no complaint or pushback from her, She seemed quite happy there with my cock rammed down her throat. I then fucked Aom in the ass, Again she was quite happy and very submissive, Let me pound away at her ass for 10-15 minutes. I then switched to Audi, I found the baby damage offputting, Her BJ was not in the same class as Aom and my cock went up her ass far too easy. I decided to finish with Aom, I stuck my cock down her throat again and ejacualted straight down her throat, She drank the lot.

Aom. Looks 6/10, performance 10/10.

Audo. Looks 5/10, performance 6/10.

[QUOTE=Jayf1970;2125092]Hi Sinufaguo thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll try those. Two questions if you don't mind.
1. Somewhat surprised you didn't mention Mitu. There seems to be not a lot of what I'm looking for in bkk (as you mention in your post), but Mitu is a name that's been mentioned by others.
[/QUOTE]Hah I had 3 experiences with Mitu. Its much more expansive than in most other places but this I wouldn't mind if it was much better.

The problem is its over rated:

- Girls aren't that good looking (pics are as fake as with other places).
- Some have good massage skills but out of 3 attemps 1 had 1 good massage, 1 average, 1 bad. The bad happened to be from an expensive girl (Platinum or whatever was their ranking).
Its sad really because Thailand can provide you with awesome legit massage, its surprising getting one is a non legit joint can be so hard.
- They don't understand why someone would want to have only HJ and no sex, takes a lot of explanation... I guess its prolly linked to point number 2, they don't want to give long massage as they get tired.


[QUOTE=Jayf1970;2125092]Hi Sinufaguo thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll try those. Two questions if you don't mind.

2- where do you get this in Shanghai? I tried the corner massage places and they steadfastly refused to go where I wanted them to go.
[/QUOTE]Drop me a PM next time you come to shanghai I'll give you updated addresses.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2125312] I decided to finish with Aom, I stuck my cock down her throat again and ejacualted straight down her throat, She drank the lot.

Aom. Looks 6/10, performance 10/10.

Audo. Looks 5/10, performance 6/10.[/QUOTE]Aom is only one better than Audi in looks. Does that mean her baby damage is bad too? Her deep throating skills sound great and her face is nice enough but I don't want some off putting body.

[QUOTE=*****man;2125543]Aom is only one better than Audi in looks. Does that mean her baby damage is bad too? Her deep throating skills sound great and her face is nice enough but I don't want some off putting body.[/QUOTE]Aom is a little plump, If she was a bit slimmer, I may give her an 8. Aom's baby damage is not in the same league as Audi's.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2125601]Aom is a little plump, If she was a bit slimmer, I may give her an 8. Aom's baby damage is not in the same league as Audi's.[/QUOTE]I've been with Aom as well. She aims to please and the damage is not all that bad, but I would not consider her a looker. I did not repeat. I know that I am limiting myself but from now on, with the exception of one or two I have know for a longtime, I'm not going to take gals who have kids.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123475]Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.[/QUOTE]Has this place changed? I used to go there sometimes purely due to having some prettier skinny girls at the time, but never got any impression of PSE. I have not been for well over a year maybe 2.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2123724]Don't know if she does A+ but I did a chic named AunAun there, she one of their main girls with big (I think natural) tits. Photo here the 14th girl:

[URL]http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929[/URL]

She got super wet in doggy.

Did her late at night for 1 hour so only 1 shot, not sure about multishot. She also was not fan of DATY but was a good bang nonetheless due to her eagerness / wetness.

Was meaning to go back and try Maki, as young thin girl (photo 10).[/QUOTE]Maki is my taste also in the pics. Although I used to be a customer of Boss, I don't know any of the currently pictured girls.

Boss Massage:

I had very good experiences the last 3 or 4 times I visited Boss. While I can't rate any of the Boss girls I have ever seen in the flesh as anything close to a stunner and I would have to rate my two as having solid 5. 5 * faces in addition to their having a very sexy overall appearance featuring petite natural breasts and tight little, no fat bodies. I don't know if they exactly qualify as porn stars either, but more importantly to me, my 2 Boss girls were super enthusiastic throughout our sessions and I went back to Boss and purposefully repeated with one of them. I therefore think Boss is a good place to go in the afternoon as long as you do not demand too much in the facial department, but want to have a good time with a nice undamaged girl.

Honey Bee (Passion) Massage:

Along similar lines I also had a good time in Honey Bee Massage off Soi 22 one afternoon. Actually, after I stumbled into their shop quite by accident on one of my afternoon walkabouts, the mamasan called a lineup of all the girls in the three shops on Soi 22 under her management. I ended up choosing the prettiest girl in the lineup, perhaps the only doable girl in the lineup - ha ha - an Issan girl from Passion Massage who was 26 and surprised me with her perky tits and flat little tummy when she was fully disrobed. Never had kids, Luna sure worked overtime to give me a very satisfying, passionate afternoon good time. I would have happily repeated with her again, but I never found the time to go back and say Hello. Ah, but that's BKK!

Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.

[QUOTE=PremBang;2127370]Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Could you elaborate a bit more on the service? I am sure A+ is not on the menu, and that is ok. How about DFK, BBBJ, CIM, rimming, and multiple shots? Thanks. I'm certainly on the lookout for new venues.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123475]Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.[/QUOTE]Good description, thank you.

Went and tried Boss for the first time. I tend to stick to the handful of known PSE places, since I consider 2100+ baht a bit steep for a typical one-and-done "massage" with unknown service quality. Boss provides a bit more than that and is transparent about their practices.

Choosing process is pleasant, you get to both look at the cards (slightly confusing), and see the girls in a lineup, without the usual time pressure. Not always easy to match up a card to a girl, but the mamasan is friendly and will help. They have 2 girls doing A+, but neither of them looked all that great. Other things listed on the card are whether a girl does 2 shots, kisses on the mouth, does cum-in-mouth BJ and such. Bit of a bummer that most of these are not standard, as they are in PSE oilies, but the ambience is nicer, and the girls a notch prettier, so it's OK. The room I had looked new, clean and pleasant, a step up from the usual.

Took Mona, a decent looking 24-year-old, slim, 45 kg, all natural, no tattoos. Her card promises 2 shots, BBBJ, (no DFK, no A+), she delivered on that minimum, and was polite and friendly enough, did a decent BBBJ and took a rather long pounding without complaint, but a bit too shy and not all-out naughty like girls at Tulip or Snow White, nothing special. Decent experience for the money, mostly due to her looks, though I doubt I'll repeat with her. Will try Boss again, though, in this day and age it's OK value (2 shots in a nice room), mostly due to complete lack of decent lookers at real PSE places.

Hi guys.

Has anyone had a session with Nana at club 102 lately?

When I was there last year around March or April, I found her in club 102 and I had a very good session with her. Then twice When I came back to Bangkok, I tried to take her, she was not present. I do not know if she is still working there. I Tried to find out, but I didn't get a reply.

I was wondering if she is still working there.

Anyone had any experience in 4/5 star hotel spa?

Arrived in Bangkok last night after a long travel day and got to the hotel on Soi 26 around 2300. Really just wanted a nice massage + and had seen the comments about Snow White and Boss so headed up the street to check them out. Decided on Snow White, can't really say why, and walked in at about 2320 L.

I asked for the nuru massage, and the mamasan quoted me 2200 baht for 1 hour with boom boom. I hesitated while my tired old brain tried to calculate the exchange, and she must have thought I was reconsidering, so she lowered the price to 2000. She walked me into the choosing room, where 5 ladies were available. One was very nice looking and thin but didn't smile at all, one had a nice big rack, but that's not really my thing; two others looked okay, but there was one that was all smiles on a very pretty face and looked like she had a good thin body.

I took the smiley one whose name was Sunny, and it turned out she's 30 y / o and has an oversized ass and quite a bit of baby damage to her tummy and tits. But her attitude completely made up for it. Normal shower process with lots of play and she really liked rubbing her ass on me, but then as soon as I was on the bed, she jumped right into BBBJ and swung around for 69. It'd been a while for me and I finished pretty quickly CIM. However, she wanted more, so I got her to give me a very good massage while I rebooted, and then she took a long hard pounding for a second pop. We showered up and looked at the time and it was after 0115!! When we got downstairs, mamasan wanted 200 baht extra for having to wait up for us past closing time, which put me back to the original 2200 but I got 2 hours and 2 pops for it, so fine by me. But I never got the nuru part, which I'm not sure how they'd've done in that room anyway.

Sunny was super sweet and positive throughout. Like I said, her attitude made the session a joy, in spite of her body. Had I first seen her in a bikini, I likely wouldn't have picked her, but in the end, it was all good.

Going to try Boss tonight, then heading to Hua Hin tomorrow.

[QUOTE=PremBang;2127370]Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.[/QUOTE]That's a goldmine out there!

[QUOTE=Champ11;2127921] We showered up and looked at the time and it was after 0115!! When we got downstairs, mamasan wanted 200 baht extra for having to wait up for us past closing time, which put me back to the original 2200 but I got 2 hours and 2 pops for it, so fine by me. But I never got the nuru part, which I'm not sure how they'd've done in that room anyway.

Sunny was super sweet and positive throughout. Like I said, her attitude made the session a joy, in spite of her body. Had I first seen her in a bikini, I likely wouldn't have picked her, but in the end, it was all good.

Going to try Boss tonight, then heading to Hua Hin tomorrow.[/QUOTE]2200 is the correct price for a one-hour nuru massage at Snow White. 2 hours for a non nuru massage should have been 2300 baht. Anyway I'm glad you had a good time.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2127644]Hi guys.

Has anyone had a session with Nana at club 102 lately?

When I was there last year around March or April, I found her in club 102 and I had a very good session with her. Then twice When I came back to Bangkok, I tried to take her, she was not present. I do not know if she is still working there. I Tried to find out, but I didn't get a reply.

I was wondering if she is still working there.[/QUOTE]I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.

Another massage parlour closed down. This time it's Victoria's Secret, which doesn't really surprise me as the nearby Catherine massage seems to have the same issues. Seems most of them have either legal issues, low quality women or the farang surcharge rip-off right now so best stick with the oilies.

[URL]https://m.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1394850/massage-den-raid-rescues-80-women[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2128218]I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.[/QUOTE]I understand.

Thanks for the info anyway.

I am interested to checkout 101 premier too.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2128218]I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.[/QUOTE]Sounds like this guy was just bullshitting to big up his own club. 300 a year is almost a new girl every day which is totally unrealistic. Even a new girl a week is more than most of these places manage.

[QUOTE=*****man;2128355]Sounds like this guy was just bullshitting to big up his own club. 300 a year is almost a new girl every day which is totally unrealistic. Even a new girl a week is more than most of these places manage.[/QUOTE]People exaggerate things now and then to boost business. We all know how it works, Its just best to ignore it. :)

[QUOTE=PremBang;2127370]Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.[/QUOTE]Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?

[QUOTE=Zam007;2128416]Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?[/QUOTE]I was required to look at a Catalog (maybe two years ago). There was only 1 or 2 girls I liked the look of, really, in the pics, and they were not there. I would be very surprised if there was even the slightest comparison to the Lord but I have not been recently. Caveat: I am very biased against surgery girls of course. I like natural beauties, or close enough to it.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2128416]Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?[/QUOTE]On my visit last December, I asked for and got the full lineup presented. However, I did not see anyone I liked so I left. I would never choose a girl based on a photo.

Location. Addict is located on soi 24 for actual directions and a map, check out their website at addictmassagebkk.

Price. The cost for one hour with one of the girls starts at 2000 baht.

Services. The service includes the girl washing you from head to toe. Bareback BJ. And full-service sex.

Number of girls available. I went through this past Friday night and there were about 35 girls that I counted. It's somewhat overwhelming to have all these women looking at you waiting for you to select one of them to have sex with. But that's the fun of going to these places. I've been at this place before about 8 months ago, then I remember there were about 45 to 50 girls.

Quality of women available. On my first trip to this brothel several months ago I noticed that there was a lot of younger white skinned girls. On this trip I noticed that there were less white skinned girls. However this might be due to my timing and of course if the place is popular guys will come earlier to get the best pickings. So that's understandable. However, my preference is white skin girls. Your preference may be something else, and that's fine. On this trip, I did notice that there was some nice looking brown skinned girls. It's worth noting that next to this brothel is another brothel called 102. They had about 20 girls sitting outside and some of them with brown skin look pretty sexy and hot. But I digress.

Overall rating. I would give this brothel a rating of 7 out of 10. That's because they have a lot of girls and the service is pretty good when you compare it to other massage parlors that charge a lot more particularly the bath massage parlors that are notorious for charging foreigners more and the service level is pretty poor. I particularly enjoyed this girl's bareback blowjob she was really into it. I think she was trying to get me to cum. She said that she was 21 years old and she was from Southern Thailand. She said her parents had both died and she was the one responsible for helping her younger sister go to school. I gave her a tip of 300 bought because she really provided pretty good service and she was cute and small and white skinned it with perky tits, just the way I like it.

Disclaimer. Note that these are my experiences and if you decide to go your experiences may be different. And of course, your experiences will be based on the girl you select. Sometimes I select girls that are looking at me and excited and seem like they want me to pick them. I normally have a better result but those type of girls. However, in the above situation I actually picked the girl that paid no attention to me. I did this because she had the look I wanted. Young, white skin, small and with a cute face. She remind me of the girls you see walking around in Bangkok getting on the BTS. Of course these girls never pay us any attention as if they act that we do not exist. So I was anxious to go to a massage parlor and find a similar girl to get her panties off and open her legs and suck her nipples and shoot my wad inside of her.

Bear in mind that many of the girls you see walking around in Bangkok don't want to be considered a prostitute, even if they are actually a prostitute. That's why you find many other girls walking around Bangkok not paying you any attention and acting as if you do not exist. But I assure you, a lot of the girls you see acting like this in Bangkok are prostitutes. Bangkok is full of them. Just in the oil massage department, there are at least 60 that I know of. That's 60 oil massage parlors. That's not even counting all the girls at soi cowboy or patpong or the freelancers. The bottom line is, I think you get the idea, there are tons of hookers im Bangkok and they're going to the store and shopping and going to the mall just like the other girls. So it's likely that during the day you will walk pass about 25 or so hookers and never know that they're actually a prostitute, even though they do not pay you any attention. But get them in the brothel and they will pay you all the attention you will want for the right price.

There are a few New brothels that I want to try that are in Bangkok. Once I visit them I will provide a review. One is called MoMo and another one is called Hera's. On their websites the girls look young and cute, just what I like! Note that some oil massage employee older Thai girls, sometimes in their 30s or 40s. For me, this is a waste of time. I like the oil massage girls who are between 18 and 21, maybe 23 max. That's what I search out and look for. Happy Hunting!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2128468]On my visit last December, I asked for and got the full lineup presented. However, I did not see anyone I liked so I left. I would never choose a girl based on a photo.[/QUOTE]That is a good info. I am glad you asked and they obliged.

Hi there, first time posting, lurker for some time.

Anyway I've been to Tulip about a year back and had a pretty good experience.

But my cup of tea has been mostly woman above 40 years and not fat (slim. Average).

I'm not picky about looks.

So far I haven't been able to find any massage places with full specials that have older MILFy masseurs / wl with great GFE.

I would be going in 2 months time, so if any seniors here can intro any I will sincerely appreciate.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2128683]Bear in mind that many of the girls you see walking around in Bangkok don't want to be considered a prostitute, even if they are actually a prostitute. That's why you find many other girls walking around Bangkok not paying you any attention and acting as if you do not exist. But I assure you, a lot of the girls you see acting like this in Bangkok are prostitutes. Bangkok is full of them. Just in the oil massage department, there are at least 60 that I know of. That's 60 oil massage parlors. That's not even counting all the girls at soi cowboy or patpong or the freelancers. The bottom line is, I think you get the idea, there are tons of hookers im Bangkok and they're going to the store and shopping and going to the mall just like the other girls. So it's likely that during the day you will walk pass about 25 or so hookers and never know that they're actually a prostitute, even though they do not pay you any attention. But get them in the brothel and they will pay you all the attention you will want for the right price.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I can't say that when I see a pretty woman in Paragon or Terminal 21 that I immediately start crunching statistical data on the chances that she is a prostitute pretending to be a normal person but hey, we all need a hobby.

[QUOTE=Acb58;2128964]
Anyway I've been to Tulip about a year back and had a pretty good experience.

But my cup of tea has been mostly woman above 40 years and not fat (slim. Average).[/QUOTE]Tulip itself has a few, but they won't tell you.

Almost all the oilies have most girls well north of 35, with a few north of 40. Most oily girls might tell you they're 26 or 29, but they're probably a lot closer to 40 than 29.

One slightly out-of-the-way place to try for oldies is PP Massage (Sao Botan) on Rama VI Soi 13. Fishbowl type setup, and at 1000 baht / pop, you can't go too wrong.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2128218]I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.[/QUOTE]Anything close to that kind of turnover would indicate to me that something is deeply wrong about the establishment.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2129095]
Almost all the oilies have most girls well north of 35, with a few north of 40. Most oily girls might tell you they're 26 or 29, but they're probably a lot closer to 40 than 29.
[/QUOTE]Almost all the Oilies? I think you exaggerate somewhat. Maybe you choose the wrong shops. All my current regular girls are well under 35. Okay My most experienced one that already retired is 33. My recent regular bargirls have been 21,23, etc. However I have been doing a lot less MP girls recently so point taken, a lot may be too old. Shops with a good mix of younger girls do exist. I haven't had a Tulip girl for years though. Snow White and Bongkot yes. Even my last Annies girl was well under 35 and good body (despite most being old). My last Loli-tas girl was early 20's. My last Mango girl (several months ago) may well have been over 35, but it is unusual for me to choose older girls simply because of their body deterioration. I did have a regular bargirl about aged 35 but her body was still superb. She disappeared a few months back.

I like experienced girls so I don't mind girls over 30 if they are still in good condition. I also like skinny to slim girls, so perhaps that is difficult to get for girls over 35.

My GF is 39 but way better shape than normal 39 YOs. Still has hot body. I can't step down to girls in crap condition. Under 25 YO girls can be perfect if they have already 7+ years of experience, don't smoke, etc.

What amazes me, is that some guys expect all girls to be the same price. I am prepared to pay more for a young enthusiastic girl with pretty face a really hot (slim) body and at least moderate skills. I don't want an old hag with crap body no matter how good her skills and how low her price. Just won't get the visual turn on.

A girl I fucked for many years is over 50 now or very late 40s. Body has declined a bit and face declined a lot. I am just not interested to do her any more for last few years. The competition is just to strong among younger hotter girls. So I have done a girl over 40 (that one) but never had a girl over 50 as yet. Yes I know some 50 year olds can be in good condition but probably not very many. Meanwhile 21 YO girls are very happy to have 60+ YO customers, and some even cum, especially if have not had a customer for several days (so bargirls moreso than MP girls). Surprisingly hookers that cum without great difficulty do exist.

I don't know about all you other mongers, but it is rare for me to take girls over 35, and even then they have to have a good to great body, and a pretty face.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2129095]Tulip itself has a few, but they won't tell you.

Almost all the oilies have most girls well north of 35, with a few north of 40. Most oily girls might tell you they're 26 or 29, but they're probably a lot closer to 40 than 29.

One slightly out-of-the-way place to try for oldies is PP Massage (Sao Botan) on Rama VI Soi 13. Fishbowl type setup, and at 1000 baht / pop, you can't go too wrong.[/QUOTE]The Tulip gal I was with changed her age from 28 to 33 and with kids nearer to the end of out session so I kinda understand.

But wow, is it that hard to find brothels, soapies or MP with older ladies? What happened to all of them?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2129110]
I don't know about all you other mongers, but it is rare for me to take girls over 35, and even then they have to have a good to great body, and a pretty face.[/QUOTE]For me they got to have a pretty face (that's #1), then good to great body (which means different things to differnet punters is #2). ! would estimate that 95% of my girls are well under 30 with the majority under 26.

But I have a dilema: my Mini is getting older! Boo hooo hoo. She will be 33 in March. Worse, she is putting on some weight! And although she is quite funny about it, for example she will come out of the bathroom stark naked and ask me, "Maak am I getting fat?" To which I will respond, "no Mini you are not getting fat. " And then she will say, "you are the only one who says that. " LOL. But the added weight seems to be all going to her thighs and when she brings up he weight issue I tell her she needs to cut out the Heinikens and Coke, but it goes in one ear and out the other.

The dilema is that while I really like Mini and have been shagging her since 2010, the truth is I don't know how much longer I can keep seeing her. 555. Shallow Natty.

[QUOTE=Acb58;2129196]The Tulip gal I was with changed her age from 28 to 33 and with kids nearer to the end of out session so I kinda understand.

But wow, is it that hard to find brothels, soapies or MP with older ladies? What happened to all of them?[/QUOTE]As said before they are there just not admitting to their age. Also the beer bars are full of them.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2128416]Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?[/QUOTE]I went there twice and both the times I selected through catalogue. But you get what you see in catalogue. And I guess lineup of all girls may also be available on request, you may call and ask them.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2128416]Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?[/QUOTE]At The Lord Palace, it is quite possible that the complete lineup is not available if you drop in randomly. When I visited, which was around 7-7.30 in the evening on a weekend, there was no XX category (top category) girl available. So, if that is the sort of thing that interests you, I would recommend going there beforehand and getting the requisite information from the staff and make arrangements based on that.

Relatively new here. Will be in BKK this February. Staying near On Nut BTS. Any recommendations for for massage places that offer extras in around 30 minutes walking distance from On Nut?

Thanks a lot.

John.

From your comments, I can see that you are simply a Troll. I looked at some of your previous posts and all you were doing was trolling other members. Rather than spending your time trolling on this website, consider providing useful input for members to use. Otherwise, don't waste our time here with your useless and childish comments.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2129010]Sorry, I can't say that when I see a pretty woman in Paragon or Terminal 21 that I immediately start crunching statistical data on the chances that she is a prostitute pretending to be a normal person but hey, we all need a hobby.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnEastBay;2129933]Relatively new here. Will be in BKK this February. Staying near On Nut BTS. Any recommendations for for massage places that offer extras in around 30 minutes walking distance from On Nut?

Thanks a lot.

John.[/QUOTE]Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2130148]Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.[/QUOTE]I guess I just didn't want to deal with BTS and wanted to find something close to where I stay. You are correct though, I should just go to Prom Pong.

Thank you for your suggestion.

John.

It was me first trip to lords on Sunday afternoon, they showed me girls sitting on the main area and asked to select, meanwhile mamasan enquire is it first time here I told no, then he showed me price list and asked how much you paid, where it was super inflated m was around 9000 baht, I told I paid around 5000 baht last time. Then he asked me to select girl which I did and than went with him at payment counter where I was shown other price list, which was showing m category girl as 6500 baht. Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.

Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.

[QUOTE=HornyBabaji;2130301]Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.[/QUOTE]Am I reading this right? They tried to rip you off and you tipped them? Why would you tip her anyway much less after she tried to rip you off?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2123395]Hera's Massage appears to be in the 3rd sub soi to the right in Sukhumvit Soi 33. Wow open till 2 AM. That could be useful.
[URL]http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed[/URL]

Hera should be pronounced like Hair-RAH, with emphasis on 2nd syllable based on the Thai script name.

The lineup on website looks quite high standard (even allowing for photoshopping). Not all girls are good looking naturally. LOL Could be no stunners at all in reality, however, I especially like the AFF look, despite suspect nose. "AFF" is not pronounable in Thai, so will be interesting to see how they pronounce it. LOL Perhaps like "App". "Mew" is probably not quite my spec. I would probably like Jenny if her tit job was more subtle (and nose job). Several girls look possibly passable to me if at all like the photos.
is not a good idea. I always try to take a very thorough shave before visiting an MP to maximise chance that girl will not have adverse reaction to the feel of my face during kissing and DATY.[/QUOTE]Was checking this website again today for a potential visit, when noticed that PP seems to have a bit of a faint moustache, or is photo playing tricks on me? Do any Thai girls have too much lip hair? I talk about mouth not pussy. LOL I probably never selected one before. I have seen girls with jet black hair on arms visible.

[QUOTE=HornyBabaji;2130301]
Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.[/QUOTE]Does not mean that much to compare from different shops based on a small sample, since it is very girl dependent, unless you specify the girls. More meaningful to compare specific girls based on her number. I had one really great girl at Amsterdam (S33 long gone now) and rest were average to crappy. Same at most Soapy shops. Never found a soapy in recent years where girls were consistently great, in looks and standard of service. Actually Annies was above average service but below average looks. Only ever had one really bad girl at Annies, that made me angry, so that was low failure rate. No. 14 was girl I used most, that looks like a tomboy but good body and was quite GFE. I used number 24 Aor in former times.

I avoid Annies these days mainly due to the crap facilities.

So far only tried one Lord's girl that turned out quite disappointing, despite her good looks and very high price, lacking GFE. I will try again, although I suspect I am not the easiest to please, despite not wanting Porn Stars. I just want girls that seem enthusiastic, and are naturally stunning. LOL

20 years ago I used to have consistently good time at my favourite soapies, so don't know why that is not the case any more.

[QUOTE=HornyBabaji;2130301]It was me first trip to lords on Sunday afternoon, they showed me girls sitting on the main area and asked to select, meanwhile mamasan enquire is it first time here I told no, then he showed me price list and asked how much you paid, where it was super inflated m was around 9000 baht, I told I paid around 5000 baht last time. Then he asked me to select girl which I did and than went with him at payment counter where I was shown other price list, which was showing m category girl as 6500 baht. Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.

Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.[/QUOTE]For 200 USD plus the vagina better be able to snap open and shut and she better come through with and amazing bag of tricks, very well honed skill set, be insatiable, very pretty, and have a flawless body. 9000 Baht? That's just taking the pi $$.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2130563]Was checking this website again today for a potential visit, when noticed that PP seems to have a bit of a faint moustache, or is photo playing tricks on me? Do any Thai girls have too much lip hair? I talk about mouth not pussy. LOL I probably never selected one before. I have seen girls with jet black hair on arms visible.[/QUOTE]I have seen many Thai girls with excessive upper lip hair. I would say there is a small cottage industry devoted to helping girls hide, bleach or otherwise remove lip hair short of actually shaving it (where stubble will then appear and be felt) and the Thai market is no exception. You have probably had several Thai girls in your mongering career who would show signs of excessive lip hair if denied their usual devices and methods of dealing with it over a period of time. Of course, these days there is always laser hair removal. But that works best if the hair is black (no problem in Thailand) and the skin is quite light (often a problem in Thailand). Some girls are quite resistant to doing anything about it, too, and almost flaunt it, daring any man to mention it. We should like or love them just the way they are, you know. LOL.

There is a relatively new FL working Sukhumvit these days, think her name is Ann, who has on my closer inspection what appears to be a very prominent pencil thin mustache running across the top of her upper lip. Problem is she tends to stand in very dark areas of Sukhumvit where you might not see it unless you get her to move into the light. She is actually in pretty good shape with a firm, athletic body, no noticeable fat, I would guess mid-20's, has quite decent bone structure and I would say is passably do-able for the right price. But that pencil thin mustache is a total turn off and deal killer for me. BTW, that is not the case with every man. I almost mustered up the nerve to actually mention it to her and suggest she do something about it, she would certainly get more customers that way, since she makes a habit of flagging me as I pass by on Sukhumvit and she has otherwise made it known that whatever I wanted would be fine. But I haven't done it yet. And I just can't take her for ST either.

I think either PP has a definite "shadow" of upper lip hair (the term often used to describe the kind of hair that appears to be on her upper lip) or her photographer has done her no favors by lighting the shoot in such a way to strongly suggest she does.

lol. I almost forgot. One time I did muster up enough nerve to tell a girl I otherwise liked that she has a bit of a mustache and perhaps ought to do something about it. She bristled and said, "Hey! Some men like girls with facial hair!" I countered with, "Sure. But do you really want to be with men like that?" That didn't go over too well, either.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2130585]I have seen many Thai girls with excessive upper lip hair. I would say there is a small cottage industry devoted to helping girls hide, bleach or otherwise remove lip hair short of actually shaving it (where stubble will then appear and be felt) and the Thai market is no exception. You have probably had several Thai girls in your mongering career who would show signs of excessive lip hair if denied their usual devices and methods of dealing with it over a period of time. Of course, these days there is always laser hair removal. But that works best if the hair is black (no problem in Thailand) and the skin is quite light (often a problem in Thailand). Some girls are quite resistant to doing anything about it, too, and almost flaunt it, daring any man to mention it. We should like or love them just the way they are, you know. LOL.

There is a relatively new FL working Sukhumvit these days, think her name is Ann, who has on my closer inspection what appears to be a very prominent pencil thin mustache running across the top of her upper lip. Problem is she tends to stand in very dark areas of Sukhumvit where you might not see it unless you get her to move into the light. She is actually in pretty good shape with a firm, athletic body, no noticeable fat, I would guess mid-20's, has quite decent bone structure and I would say is passably do-able for the right price. But that pencil thin mustache is a total turn off and deal killer for me. BTW, that is not the case with every man. I almost mustered up the nerve to actually mention it to her and suggest she do something about it, she would certainly get more customers that way, since she makes a habit of flagging me as I pass by on Sukhumvit and she has otherwise made it known that whatever I wanted would be fine. But I haven't done it yet. And I just can't take her for ST either.

I think either PP has a definite "shadow" of upper lip hair (the term often used to describe the kind of hair that appears to be on her upper lip) or her photographer has done her no favors by lighting the shoot in such a way to strongly suggest she does.

lol. I almost forgot. One time I did muster up enough nerve to tell a girl I otherwise liked that she has a bit of a mustache and perhaps ought to do something about it. She bristled and said, "Hey! Some men like girls with facial hair!" I countered with, "Sure. But do you really want to be with men like that?" That didn't go over too well, either.[/QUOTE]555. Post of distinction. Yes, many Thai gals are hirsute. Most in the biz tend to take care of it, but jeez, I have seen an amazing amount of leg hair here during my tenure.

[QUOTE=PremBang;2129441]I went there twice and both the times I selected through catalogue. But you get what you see in catalogue. And I guess lineup of all girls may also be available on request, you may call and ask them.[/QUOTE]I checked out Premier 101 yesterday and the lineup looks nothing like their website, at least addict massage has girls who look a bit like what we see on their website, but 101 was disappointing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2130591]555. Post of distinction. Yes, many Thai gals are hirsute. Most in the biz tend to take care of it, but jeez, I have seen an amazing amount of leg hair here during my tenure.[/QUOTE]Most of my Thai girls have had low body hair, so as not to notice anything, either naturally or by removal. My GF of 12 years has almost no hair on legs and arms at all. Does not have to remove. She does remove under arms, and pussy is naturally low on hair mostly above it (but is attended to).

I once had a GF (15 years ago) with noticeable arm hair, but I thought that was a bit abnormal. I also recall the odd girl with arms coming from nipples, but not many. I guess my experience is biased by subconsciously choosing very sleek smooth types of girls. Only met one girl in recent years with big Bush who was very new to P4 P scene. Her big fabulous tits more than made up for hairy puss, but I was intending to take her to Crazy House to see all the shaved pussy fashions, however she disappeared after police raids on the Cart Bars.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2130585]
lol. I almost forgot. One time I did muster up enough nerve to tell a girl I otherwise liked that she has a bit of a mustache and perhaps ought to do something about it. She bristled and said, "Hey! Some men like girls with facial hair!" I countered with, "Sure. But do you really want to be with men like that?" That didn't go over too well, either.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that cracked me up a good deal. I do note that almost all Indians are pretty hairy including the girls, so maybe Indian guys don't mind Thai girls with a bit of body hair. I still prefer them like my GF with almost undetectable body hairs (very smooth).

With Farangs, thick brissly hairs growing out of moles on the face are a massive turn off, and I even found that pretty Italian girls with dark upper lip fuzz were compromised by it.

[QUOTE=HornyBabaji;2130301]It was me first trip to lords on Sunday afternoon, they showed me girls sitting on the main area and asked to select, meanwhile mamasan enquire is it first time here I told no, then he showed me price list and asked how much you paid, where it was super inflated m was around 9000 baht, I told I paid around 5000 baht last time. Then he asked me to select girl which I did and than went with him at payment counter where I was shown other price list, which was showing m category girl as 6500 baht. Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.

Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.[/QUOTE]Did you get body to body massage in Lord? Did you get CIM finish?

During my recent trip to Bangkok, I decided to go to my favorite place The Lord. It was 2 pm on Friday afternoon, and I was surprised to find that it was opened yet. I remember that in the past, it used to open at Noon. So I went to La Belle, which was open, but with only 5 girls, which were not to my taste. The mamasan told me to come back at around 6 pm. I decided to go for some foot massage around and shopping around until that time, and went again to The Lord. This time, I arrived at 6:30 pm and to my surprise, there were only 5 girls to choose from. The mamasan told me that today, there were not many girls working, and I did not like the line-up. I decided to go to one of my old favorite, Emmanuelle. When I entered and saw the line-up, I was amazed by the number of girls. At least 40 girls sitting there and smiling at me, and the price was from 2000 to 6100 baht, much cheaper than The Lord, with very good quality and much more choice. I chose one new girl that just arrived with model look at the highest price at 3400 baht. She told me it was her first day and I was her first customer in this establishment. Since I can converse in Thai, we had a good chat with her. She told me that there were some raids going on at the moment, and there were rumors that The Lord might be targeted. She said she was from the Lord, where her price tag was much higher, and she could earn more there, but did not feel safe to go there at this moment. That might explain why The Lord was quite empty and that a lot of girls might have moved to Emmanuelle which have strong connections in Thailand.

We had a good session, and she followed the procedures that I normally get at The Lord. At the end, I went out happy. And upon reaching the exit, I looked again at the line up, which was still a good one.

So being hungry, I went to a nearby street food restaurant, had a nice 3-meal with drink for only 140 baht and feeling horny again, I decided to go for a second session with Emmanuelle at 10 pm. The papasan was quite happy to see me again, and this time, the line-up was even bigger! Around 50 girls, with even better quality. This time, the M range was available, and they are the most expensive at 6100 baht. I saw 3 amazing girls and since it was around the cost of The Lord, I decided to go for one girl that had the look that I always dream about. Again, we had a very good session but also a nice chat. The girl was from Chiang Mai, very nice face, body shape, with perfect tits, all naturals. She also provided me a very good service, with BBBJ during the bath, we did various positions and I came out very happy!

So if you would like to get the service of The Lord with a cheaper price, but with more choices of girls, I would recommend Emmanuelle during this period. It might not last long, because once the rumors of raids go away, most of the nicest girls would probably return to The Lord.

The reason Emannuelle has a good selection these days is due to amalgamation with Amsterdam. The old Amsterdam lication shut down and they took over Emannuelle which was in decline at the time.

I found a cheap stunner skinny girl there last year but unfortunately was a bad choice. Luck of the draw.

Nice report on Emmanuelle. Do they still impose a surcharge for non-East Asians in that place?

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2130148]Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.[/QUOTE]Decided to stay next to Prom Pong BTS in Lotus hotel. Any suggestions for massage with extras nearby?

Thank you,

John.

The hotel is not upscale and is over priced in my opinion.

No CNN or BBC in the rooms. Old rooms, rundown.

As for massage and blowjobs there are heaps include the Japanese oriented BJ bar across the road and down a lane.

[QUOTE=JohnEastBay;2131178]Decided to stay next to Prom Pong BTS in Lotus hotel. Any suggestions for massage with extras nearby?

Thank you,

John.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=*****man;2131053]Nice report on Emmanuelle. Do they still impose a surcharge for non-East Asians in that place?[/QUOTE]Yes of course! All up scale Soapies charge Farang surcharge, excepting those in locations unlikely to get many farangs, I suspect. The budget type Soapies may not have Farang Surcharge.

Would be nice to hear any exceptions where up scale Soapy has no surcharge. Nataree used to one of course, but not in the up scale category. I guess budget places like Ocean, Mersi (Maxi), Nancy, Catherine, Meree, Evita, etc. have no surcharge.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2130148]Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.[/QUOTE]I live part time near to On Nut BTS. It is definitely not the right place to be for mongering. There some massage places not that far away, but I never tried them, and expected them to be very Thai oriented, even though I do speak Thai. It is definitely better to take BTS trip for mongering or if mongering full time, stay much closer to Phrom Phong and Asoke. Even very late at night, a taxi back to On Nut (when BTS closed) can have delays due to road work which has been going on for 2 to 3 years, and costs about 80 Baht.

No use for me to meet girls scared of Farang dick. I prefer girls that have mostly Farang customers, and even prefer them.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2131313]The hotel is not upscale and is over priced in my opinion.

No CNN or BBC in the rooms. Old rooms, rundown.

As for massage and blowjobs there are heaps include the Japanese oriented BJ bar across the road and down a lane.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your response.

Next time will try to look for another hotel to stay.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2131316]Yes of course! All up scale Soapies charge Farang surcharge, excepting those in locations unlikely to get many farangs, I suspect. The budget type Soapies may not have Farang Surcharge.

Would be nice to hear any exceptions where up scale Soapy has no surcharge. Nataree used to one of course, but not in the up scale category. I guess budget places like Ocean, Mersi (Maxi), Nancy, Catherine, Meree, Evita, etc. have no surcharge.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I often went to Meree and Evita (aka Avita) to good results. Rather inexpensive (around 1200 or 1300 baht during their happy hours for regular girls; sidelines maybe four or five hundred more) and although there were some uglies, there also were some decent looking girls who typically gave good (but not PSE oily shop level) service. Always BBBJs for example, and reasonably friendly girls.

Has anyone visited these places recently? If so, how have they fared, and are they still decent? I also occasionally went to Nataree but the service was more variable there. As mentioned by Syzygies, none had a farang surcharge, which was one of the reasons I gave my business to them (farang surcharges really rub me the wrong way).

[QUOTE=JohnEastBay;2131178]Decided to stay next to Prom Pong BTS in Lotus hotel. Any suggestions for massage with extras nearby?

Thank you,

John.[/QUOTE]I use not just google but google maps to find many things. Like hotels or massage shops. I searched on massage shops near Phrom Phong BTS. When results came up I clicked on Google Maps.

[URL]https://www.google.com.ph/maps/search/massage[/URL]+shops+near+Phrom+Phong+BTS / at 13.7358266,100.5269663,13 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1.

You will see many. Now you have to research the name of the shop against the reports listed here in this forum. Use the search function and decide where to go. Snow White is popular as is Addicts or Club 101. It is a big world of massage. Why not go explore it and report back here to us of your findings?

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2131713]I use not just google but google maps to find many things. Like hotels or massage shops. I searched on massage shops near Phrom Phong BTS. When results came up I clicked on Google Maps.

[URL]https://www.google.com.ph/maps/search/massage[/URL]+shops+near+Phrom+Phong+BTS / at 13.7358266,100.5269663,13 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1.

You will see many. Now you have to research the name of the shop against the reports listed here in this forum. Use the search function and decide where to go. Snow White is popular as is Addicts or Club 101. It is a big world of massage. Why not go explore it and report back here to us of your findings?[/QUOTE]Thanks!

I have been reading and will be checking out those 3. Will post reports after.

I appreciate all your help.

John.

[QUOTE=GHaribo;2130889]....

We had a good session, and she followed the procedures that I normally get at The Lord. At the end, I went out happy....

... I decided to go for a second session with Emmanuelle at 10 pm. .... The girl was from Chiang Mai, very nice face, body shape, with perfect tits, all naturals. She also provided me a very good service, with BBBJ during the bath, we did various positions and I came out very happy! ...
[/QUOTE]I think you bring up two good points in your post. One is that your experience depends on the lady and not on the establishment.

Which means that you should periodically check out all the new ladies at various establishments, rather than just limit yourself to one place. And if you especially like some hot lady, then it makes sense to get her contact details, so that you can follow her, when she moves from one place to another. Hot ladies in porn usually acquire a lot of fans. And I think it's the same for hot P4P ladies. There is nothing wrong with becoming the hot lady's fan, when you like her pussy and bum.

And the second point comes from the fact that you went out "happy" the first time, but on your second time you went out "very happy!" Your second experience was even better than the first.

Which isn't surprising. Because when you do two ladies on the same day, then you are bound to last longer with your second lady and nail her better than the first. This kind of thing can be expensive to do. And a cheaper way of doing it is to satisfy yourself with your hand at first, and then go to see the hot lady. This is actually a technique that some sex-therapists advise for guys, so that they will last longer with their ladies.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2132329]I think you bring up two good points in your post. One is that your experience depends on the lady and not on the establishment.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's always YMMV and much depends on chemistry, but certain minimum standards do need to be set by the establishment. If Tulip can have clear and high minimum service standards at 2100 baht /90 min, I expect no less from places costing 3-5 times as much.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2132724]Yes, it's always YMMV and much depends on chemistry, but certain minimum standards do need to be set by the establishment. If Tulip can have clear and high minimum service standards at 2100 baht /90 min, I expect no less from places costing 3-5 times as much.[/QUOTE]The problem with setting high minimum standards is that such standards discourage women from doing P4P work. The higher standards you set, the fewer women you will have, and the higher price you will have to pay due to the shortage of willing women.

It's like in porn, many women start out doing soft-porn or lesbian porn, without actual intercourse. But over time they get experience and become comfortable with doing more hardcore stuff. And some of these women eventually start doing anal, gang-bangs, and DP's.

You need to have something like this in the P4P business too. Because if you set really high standards for women right from the time they start. Then this will likely discourage many women from even entering the business and doing this kind of work. You will end up with a shortage of women and very high prices. Which will also discourage guys. It would basically destroy the P4P market and make it a lot smaller.

And the reason why I say this is because Tulip ladies offer A+ service. Which isn't popular among Thai ladies. If you set A+ as a minimum standard for Thai P4P ladies, then you aren't going to have many ladies in the P4P business.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2132737]The problem with setting high minimum standards is that such standards discourage women from doing P4P work. The higher standards you set, the fewer women you will have, and the higher price you will have to pay due to the shortage of willing women.

It's like in porn, many women start out doing soft-porn or lesbian porn, without actual intercourse. But over time they get experience and become comfortable with doing more hardcore stuff. And some of these women eventually start doing anal, gang-bangs, and DP's.

You need to have something like this in the P4P business too. Because if you set really high standards for women right from the time they start. Then this will likely discourage many women from even entering the business and doing this kind of work. You will end up with a shortage of women and very high prices. Which will also discourage guys. It would basically destroy the P4P market and make it a lot smaller.

And the reason why I say this is because Tulip ladies offer A+ service. Which isn't popular among Thai ladies. If you set A+ as a minimum standard for Thai P4P ladies, then you aren't going to have many ladies in the P4P business.[/QUOTE]Christian just posted a stat sheet of a gal from Devil's Den in Pattaya. I wish all shops would adopt this format. It is perfect. Spells our exactly what the gal does and does not do. And to respond to your post above. I would rather keep higher standards. It's already expensive. I don't mind paying dearly for it if it is good. I have no problem with gals who really don't belong in the biz being turned off from the get go.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2132724]Yes, it's always YMMV and much depends on chemistry, but certain minimum standards do need to be set by the establishment. If Tulip can have clear and high minimum service standards at 2100 baht /90 min, I expect no less from places costing 3-5 times as much.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Places charging upwards of 200 USD for regular service. No thanks. Don't care how good looking she is. Conversely, I would not pay that for a gal who was just a performer and not stunning. Again, I think there are vast differences in Asian vs Western P4 P expectations. If the Westerner is paying that, he expects looks and performance. We want a horny bombshell who will can't wait to pull down our pants and swallow our meat. For the Asian, it is mostly about looks and a demure attitude.

Hi guys,

Will be in BKK next month but unfortunately this trip I will be with the wife so not much time for mongering. We will be staying at Radisson Plaza near Asoke and if I can manage an hour or so alone would love to get quick service at massage or BJ bar that offers full service near to Radisson.

Can anyone recommend places near to my hotel? And how. Much for full service? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks guys.

I tried Boss for the first time today. The laminated card system isn't very useful, containing services I'm not interested in like service for couples. Anyway, I told the mamasan I wanted a girl with no baby and settled on Yuri, who she assured me had no baby. She's on the front cover of the magazine of this website:

[URL]http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929[/URL]

She has nice slim legs and arms, silicone implants but quite a gut which I'm 99% sure is baby damage. Service was fine but it pisses me off when a mamasan bullshits like that so I won't be back.

Most of the BJ bars are a 10 min walk on the opposite side when you walk towards Nana ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, Soms Heaven, etc) and you will find oily massage places if you cross the road and walk towards Soi 24 , about 15 minutes by walk.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2134494]Hi guys,

Will be in BKK next month but unfortunately this trip I will be with the wife so not much time for mongering. We will be staying at Radisson Plaza near Asoke and if I can manage an hour or so alone would love to get quick service at massage or BJ bar that offers full service near to Radisson.

Can anyone recommend places near to my hotel? And how. Much for full service? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

Sorry if I upset you all I did was ask a little help, I never suggested I was special. Anyway sorry.

Hi guys!

Has anyone experienced any favorable 'outcomes' from airport transit area massage parlors?

Thanks.

Tried this oily on Soi24 , everything was available on the menu. The price quoted at the counter is 1900 Baht. Good place to visit post 4 PM as there would be many options to choose from.

[QUOTE=Flyte137;2135275]Tried this oily on Soi24 , everything was available on the menu. The price quoted at the counter is 1900 Baht. Good place to visit post 4 PM as there would be many options to choose from.[/QUOTE]Everythings? So BBBJ, CIM, A+, multishots, etc are on the menu?

[QUOTE=Flyte137;2135275]Tried this oily on Soi24 , everything was available on the menu. The price quoted at the counter is 1900 Baht. Good place to visit post 4 PM as there would be many options to choose from.[/QUOTE]There have been many reports on this place on this forum. Please include more details in your reports such as the name of the girl with a description of her and the services provided.

Name of shop with address and price is of no value.

I tried mentioning the name, it got deleted by the moderator, hence edited the report accordingly. I am also unable to upload any pics, don't understand why?

[QUOTE=*****man;2135356]There have been many reports on this place on this forum. Please include more details in your reports such as the name of the girl with a description of her and the services provided.

Name of shop with address and price is of no value.[/QUOTE]

Yes I did multishots, BBBJ and CIM but did not ask for A+, heard some girls do offer if discussed in advance.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2135289]Everythings? So BBBJ, CIM, A+, multishots, etc are on the menu?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flyte137;2135373]I tried mentioning the name, it got deleted by the moderator, hence edited the report accordingly. I am also unable to upload any pics, don't understand why?[/QUOTE]Mentioning names is no problem at all. There must be another reason why your post got deleted.

The name remains in the post. It's Orient Massage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2135385]The name remains in the post. It's Orient Massage.[/QUOTE]Obviously we're talking about the name of the girl not the shop. We're not blind.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2134494]Hi guys,

Will be in BKK next month but unfortunately this trip I will be with the wife so not much time for mongering. We will be staying at Radisson Plaza near Asoke and if I can manage an hour or so alone would love to get quick service at massage or BJ bar that offers full service near to Radisson.

Can anyone recommend places near to my hotel? And how. Much for full service? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Walk down Soi 19 past The Gaucho Resto and you will see a string of massage shops. They all do full service inside. Just tell them ahead of time and they will take care of you. Also across Suk Soi 18 has a couple of MP's and around the corner is Lo Li Ta's. That is across from Soi 11.

RL.

[QUOTE=*****man;2134673]I tried Boss for the first time today. The laminated card system isn't very useful, containing services I'm not interested in like service for couples. Anyway, I told the mamasan I wanted a girl with no baby and settled on Yuri, who she assured me had no baby. She's on the front cover of the magazine of this website:

[URL]http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929[/URL]

She has nice slim legs and arms, silicone implants but quite a gut which I'm 99% sure is baby damage. Service was fine but it pisses me off when a mamasan bullshits like that so I won't be back.[/QUOTE]Does Boss massage have a LINE account? If so, what's their ID?

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2135414] Also across Suk Soi 18 has a couple of MP's and around the corner is Lo Li Ta's. That is across from Soi 11.

RL.[/QUOTE]That would be 8.

Hi,

I am ISG user from last 3 years, would be visiting Bangkok and Pattaya in next couple of Days. Can someone please PM me any massage Shops, etc. Near Soi 7/1, or a walking distance from that location as visiting for the First time.

[QUOTE=BroDude;2135417]Does Boss massage have a LINE account? If so, what's their ID?[/QUOTE] What a bizarre first post. Why not just phone them up?

[QUOTE=Deshpander;2135519]Hi,

I am ISG user from last 3 years, would be visiting Bangkok and Pattaya in next couple of Days. Can someone please PM me any massage Shops, etc. Near Soi 7/1, or a walking distance from that location as visiting for the First time.[/QUOTE]Reputed massage shops (Oilies) are all near Phrom Phong station which is just five minits by BTS from your location at soi 7/1. The only decent oily shop near soi 7/1 is bamboo massage on soi 8. If you want just any massage shop, there are plenty in lower sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=*****man;2135356]There have been many reports on this place on this forum. Please include more details in your reports such as the name of the girl with a description of her and the services provided.

Name of shop with address and price is of no value.[/QUOTE]Her name was Cat (that's what she told me) and over all ok. She was pretty (to me) until she smiled she has some heavy braces. Had huge fake boobies but was lack luster in all aspects except rubbing me with the boobies. I've come to expect some amazing mic skills in Thailand and she simple did not measure up. Getting a blow job from her was sort of like sticking my dick in a cup of warm tea. Not an unpleasant sensation by any means but again, not really what I'm looking for in a blowjob. But she was pretty and my dick was in her mouth so it got hard enough to fuck her.

She was thin, with tits as big as my head, and long hair (extensions) to her ass, with a pretty face so I got to the finish line. I wouldn't repeat but I didn't regret it either.

Oh, she was at the Orient.

Candy: Cute little spinner who's eager to please and has no gag reflex.

I've seen her twice, she's a tiny little thing with a cute face. She has some fair baby damage but has used a few artfully placed tattoo's to conceal it but it's there if that's an issue. She also has zero boobage if that's a thing.

She speaks a little English, enough to get by and like I said in my case was eager to please. She has a little tuft of hair above her pussy and is responsive to DATY and vag play (or is a really good actor and that's just as good for me) In my case she was prefectly happy to park my dick in her throat and keep that up until I was ready to fuck. She took a pounding in the buck without any issues. Not only would I repeat but have.

Emma, Emmy something like that. Pretty, no kids, long hair, small but nice boobs. Sorta squishy ass.

Kinda is into gagging, keep stuffing my cock in her throat until she gagged like she did it a bunch but kept doing it until I was ready to fuck, then also took a pounding in the buck.

Afterwards had some funny stories, I was entertained. Especially the one about the "cheap charlie" that wouldn't even pay the 500 for a handjob and instead "made boom boom with the bed. ".

If I wouldn't have found Candy the second time I woulda repeated with Emma / Emmy whatever. Good value at 1900 for either.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2136280]Her name was Cat (that's what she told me) and over all ok. She was pretty (to me) until she smiled she has some heavy braces.

...

She was thin, with tits as big as my head, and long hair (extensions) to her ass, with a pretty face so I got to the finish line. I wouldn't repeat but I didn't regret it either.

Oh, she was at the Orient.[/QUOTE]I've had a few girls from Orient over the years. It's the kind of place to go if you can't find anything better as you'll never get a particularly good or bad experience.

The girl you describe sounds quite tempting though.

In may I will have the opportunity to come back in Bangkok, last time few years ago, I have to put in place a budget, may I recap numbers I remember, and what I found in different threads:

For a massage parlour loke Mango or Cherry full service is 2000 tip + 800 average 2 hourse curse, of course if habby, but uisually I am; the whole night 5000 all inclusive (tip inside).

I'm pretty excited to come back, I will do more questions approaching to long awaited visit, please help.

Of course damages reported are average.

I sessioned with Candy last night based on positive report by Admin2. As was indicated in his post she is a cute spinner with a great attitude. Except for a of baby damage that she has tried to mask with a tat she has a cute body and nice smile. Session was fun. Her BBBJ skills are great, with attention to both balls and shaft. She was very responsive to DATY. FS was also hot, cycling through CG, Standing Ride, Standing Mish and RCG.

Her English is ok, so conversation was smooth. I may try her for a take out later this week.

I spent an hour with sunny at snow white. I'm kind of bored with tulip girls so had time to risk an hour with her.

To be brief, tight body for a 30+chick. Some clear baby damage but no gut. I felt her up in the shower and it was obviously loose but not a gut. Maybe wrinkled is the best way to describe her stomach area but not loose. Looks are pleasant but not super hot. She has a lithe body overall. Kids have done a number on her tits so they are deflated, but the rest of her is toned and fit. She kickboxing so her body is athletic and toned. I was happy with the body overall, a 7 or 8.

Sex was reasonably good. Not a complaint there. Not quite tulip standard but 69 on offer BBBJCIM finger in vagina and ass and I understand anal on offer but didn't partake. Missionary cowgirl standing doggy 69 were done well.

I couldn't cum with the rubber so she sucked me for ages till I blew in her mouth. My major downside was no DFK. This is a major let down for me, but I guess ymmv at the places like cherry snow white and mango much more than tulip.

I am tempted to bang her again next week to see if she improves but there are also lots of other options and I'm time poor next week.

You can see her photo on the snow white website they make her look older and dumpier than she is. Her body is tight.

Hi,

With all these reports (I've gone through the past 50 pages), it's pretty difficult to determine or compare girls and skills.

I'm big into tiny gals with DFK, and DATY, so which gals do you feel gives the best DFK and enjoy DATY the most in snow white?

On a side note, I'll probably try Rin at hana first and see if I can get her to offer FS (MILF / GILFs are my cup of tea), provided she's still slim. If Rin becomes impossible for me to stand, I'll drop by SW.

I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!

We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.

We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.

In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.

I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.

She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.

Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.

As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!

So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.

I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.

Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.

Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.

Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.

At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.

As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).

Regards to all.

PS. Same post in the Bangkok Reports, as it is relevant for both threads.

Shocking story about Poseidon and I sympathise with you but it was clearly a mistake to tell the girl to leave on her own because it gave her an opportunity to make up her excuses and make you look like the bad guy. If you have a problem with the girl you should always go straight down and tell whoever is in charge. If you'd told her earlier on that you were going to do that she might have suddenly changed her attitude. Still, good advice to avoid the place.

I am no expert on the soapies scene but based on user reports I decided to select only those girls who showed some interest when you are choosing them, where they make eye contact and smile. Now they can certainly feign it but I would rather take a chance than choose a girl who has a frown on her face. It worked out for me atleast during my last visit.

In some places like Honey 2, the models did not even bother to look at my direction which sucked but atleast I did not have a terrible experience.

We all have our bad moments, thanks for sharing!

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2138837]I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!

We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.

We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.

In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.

I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.

She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.

Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.

As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!

So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.

I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.

Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.

Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.

Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.

At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.

As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).

Regards to all.

PS. Same post in the Bangkok Reports, as it is relevant for both threads.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2138837]I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!

We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.

We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.

In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.

I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.

She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.

Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.

As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!

So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.

I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.

Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.

Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.

Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.

At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.

As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).

Regards to all.

PS. Same post in the Bangkok Reports, as it is relevant for both threads.[/QUOTE]Whenever I get a very bad session I always try to get to management before the girl does. The version that's given first in these circumstances carries more weight. Also now, I never end a session with my dick in the girl in spite of her shenanigans, I just continue to bang her until I climax when its show's over. If because of her behavior I can't get an erection or she ends the session prematurely I ensure that I get to the mamasan before she does.

[QUOTE=*****man;2139234]Shocking story about Poseidon and I sympathise with you but it was clearly a mistake to tell the girl to leave on her own because it gave her an opportunity to make up her excuses and make you look like the bad guy. If you have a problem with the girl you should always go straight down and tell whoever is in charge. If you'd told her earlier on that you were going to do that she might have suddenly changed her attitude. Still, good advice to avoid the place.[/QUOTE]To *****man.

Maybe Bimbo is the problems I would just ask the management to give me another girl if you sense bad attuide, he need to treat the girl with respect and not force her to do thing that she don't like to do.

Fast Eddie 48.

I went back to SW planning to repeat with Candy but she wasn't available so I chose Aom instead. All I can say is WOW!

She is only a 7 on looks but the lady sure knows how to fuck. She isn't a spinner like Candy but isn't fat either. Medium build with a bit of baby damage in her tummy area. She was a lot of fun on top of her awesome performance. Awesome BBBJ skills with full DT action. When I reciprocated with DATY she was really into the action, arching her back to give me better access. When it came to the main event we cycled through various positions, taking turns doing the work. Much of the time was CG or ACG with her bouncing like a maniac. I have to give her a 10 on performance; first time I can say that for a Bangkok MP lady. I can't wait to repeat on my next visit.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2139409]To *****man.

Maybe Bimbo is the problems I would just ask the management to give me another girl if you sense bad attuide, he need to treat the girl with respect and not force her to do thing that she don't like to do.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Come on, you know it's never the mongers' fault. It's always the ladies and the industry.

I guess money doesn't talk loudly as we think. By the way, I agree with you 100%. We never get to hear the other side of the story.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2139530]I went back to SW planning to repeat with Candy but she wasn't available so I chose Aom instead. All I can say is WOW!

She is only a 7 on looks but the lady sure knows how to fuck. She isn't a spinner like Candy but isn't fat either. Medium build with a bit of baby damage in her tummy area. She was a lot of fun on top of her awesome performance. Awesome BBBJ skills with full DT action. When I reciprocated with DATY she was really into the action, arching her back to give me better access. When it came to the main event we cycled through various positions, taking turns doing the work. Much of the time was CG or ACG with her bouncing like a maniac. I have to give her a 10 on performance; first time I can say that for a Bangkok MP lady. I can't wait to repeat on my next visit.[/QUOTE]

+1 to all this. Aom is a stellar performer.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2139687]+1 to all this. Aom is a stellar performer.[/QUOTE]Would agree she is a performer, but man, just not quite up to snuff in the looks department for me. One sesh was all I could do with her. Ae is the only one at SW who does it for me look wise. Certainly wish she had Aom's attitude.

Looking for reports about Nana. Is she still at SW? What is her performance?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2139812]Would agree she is a performer, but man, just not quite up to snuff in the looks department for me. One sesh was all I could do with her. Ae is the only one at SW who does it for me look wise. Certainly wish she had Aom's attitude.[/QUOTE]Have you gone off My? As Ae has a horrible personality and her service isn't great and there are no other decent A+ options around, I think I'm going to have to give My a go. Does she look like the photo on the website? I can't remember ever seeing her in the shop.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2139534]Come on, you know it's never the mongers' fault. It's always the ladies and the industry.

I guess money doesn't talk loudly as we think. By the way, I agree with you 100%. We never get to hear the other side of the story.[/QUOTE]I've heard the ladies side on a number of occasions when I cooked for a group of them and as the liquor flowed the "war" stories started to come out. Some were quite amusing but many were very disturbing with the main complaints being an aggressive customer who hurt or frightened them, poor personal hygiene and not being compensated properly for their services. All understood that some pain and unpleasantness came with the job to a degree.

That said I also know several ladies who were not suited to the P4 P business. In some cases they were desperate for money and had no other choice or thought it would be an easy way to make some quick cash but found out otherwise. Usually they had very little sexual experience but were talked into it by friends or family. I personally know a lady who was a bookkeeper that started in one of the hardcore oily shops but had never even given a blow job to anyone. Maybe Bimbo ended up with one of these. I have a lot of empathy for these ladies but if I detect an attitude I immediately terminate the session.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2139965]I've heard the ladies side on a number of occasions when I cooked for a group of them and as the liquor flowed the "war" stories started to come out. Some were quite amusing but many were very disturbing with the main complaints being an aggressive customer who hurt or frightened them, poor personal hygiene and not being compensated properly for their services. All understood that some pain and unpleasantness came with the job to a degree.

That said I also know several ladies who were not suited to the P4 P business. In some cases they were desperate for money and had no other choice or thought it would be an easy way to make some quick cash but found out otherwise. Usually they had very little sexual experience but were talked into it by friends or family. I personally know a lady who was a bookkeeper that started in one of the hardcore oily shops but had never even given a blow job to anyone. Maybe Bimbo ended up with one of these. I have a lot of empathy for these ladies but if I detect an attitude I immediately terminate the session.[/QUOTE]Nice to read a post with something having some empathy. So much shit about rip offs, not performing, piper calls the tune and so on we forget there is a another human being there.

You are right some girls should not be in the profession and yes some are rip off artists but the majority are just trying to get by.

If it's not working out as you expected don't throw a hissy fit, try to understand and when you do quite often in my experience you can turn it into a truly GFE.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2139965]I've heard the ladies side on a number of occasions when I cooked for a group of them and as the liquor flowed the "war" stories started to come out. Some were quite amusing but many were very disturbing with the main complaints being an aggressive customer who hurt or frightened them, poor personal hygiene and not being compensated properly for their services. All understood that some pain and unpleasantness came with the job to a degree.

That said I also know several ladies who were not suited to the P4 P business. In some cases they were desperate for money and had no other choice or thought it would be an easy way to make some quick cash but found out otherwise. Usually they had very little sexual experience but were talked into it by friends or family. I personally know a lady who was a bookkeeper that started in one of the hardcore oily shops but had never even given a blow job to anyone. Maybe Bimbo ended up with one of these. I have a lot of empathy for these ladies but if I detect an attitude I immediately terminate the session.[/QUOTE]For me there is a difference between an inexperienced girl and one with simply a bad attitude. I have had both. I empathize with an inexperienced girl, usually these girls ave very GFE because they have not been long in the business. I am usually very gentle and understanding with them and we both leave the room contented. However, a bad attitude is something else; what happens here is that the girl does not have common customer service ability or assumes a foul attitude in an attempt to prevent the client from getting an erection. If she succeeds I go seek the mamasan.

Hi,

Been there couple days ago, after reading post, thought of picking candy, but when she was not there picked "my" instead, she was very happy.

The usual stuff, shower- BJ, then some massage- BJ / DATY then missionary or what you want. Tried anal, but she said she was sick. I didn't force as I was enjoying my time. Did some chit chat.

Nice girl, good figure, gyrates good, sucks good.

I would say guys who want to try anal ask her first cause I was rejected.

Damage: 1500 girl st.

400 oil massage.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2139973]Nice to read a post with something having some empathy. So much shit about rip offs, not performing, piper calls the tune and so on we forget there is a another human being there.

You are right some girls should not be in the profession and yes some are rip off artists but the majority are just trying to get by.

If it's not working out as you expected don't throw a hissy fit, try to understand and when you do quite often in my experience you can turn it into a truly GFE.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with this. I find that when the provider realizes that you aren't there just to get yourself off but also want her to have a good time the attitude may change completely. LFK or no kissing suddenly turns into DFK; and haste to make you cum as soon as possible turns into effort to get you up for another round. I'm by no means a stud and I'm not suggesting that this always happens. But showing some empathy and kindness does go a long way.

[QUOTE=*****man;2139931]Have you gone off My? As Ae has a horrible personality and her service isn't great and there are no other decent A+ options around, I think I'm going to have to give My a go. Does she look like the photo on the website? I can't remember ever seeing her in the shop.[/QUOTE]My is not A+, used to be, but it not now. She is ok, but I have found her a bit unfocused most of the time meaning that she is constantly changing what she does even if you tell her it feels good. While not a bad experience, I did find her kind of meh. I have not been with her in a couple of years, so maybe she has improved. She is actually better looking in person than she is in the photos due to some decent surgeries.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2140011]For me there is a difference between an inexperienced girl and one with simply a bad attitude. I have had both. I empathize with an inexperienced girl, usually these girls ave very GFE because they have not been long in the business. I am usually very gentle and understanding with them and we both leave the room contented. However, a bad attitude is something else; what happens here is that the girl does not have common customer service ability or assumes a foul attitude in an attempt to prevent the client from getting an erection. If she succeeds I go seek the mamasan.[/QUOTE]The longer you are here and the more experience you have in the P4 P industry, the easier it is to tell the difference. I think the majority of us empathize with the gals. I myself have no interest in new or inexperienced gals, preferring pros with good skill sets. I like the girl next door type; provided I live next door to a brothel.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2140165]The longer you are here and the more experience you have in the P4 P industry, the easier it is to tell the difference. I think the majority of us empathize with the gals. I myself have no interest in new or inexperienced gals, preferring pros with good skill sets. I like the girl next door type; provided I live next door to a brothel.[/QUOTE]When despite employing ones best efforts to be a good customer the girl continues to behave badly I wrap myself in the towel go downstairs and discuss the situation with the shift manager.

It's only happened to me a handful of times over some 20 years and it's always been settled amiably either by offering a refund or picking another girl.

It is very important for all concerned to inform management always in a non-aggressive manner when you encounter an inflexible bad attitude.

A well run shop and I'm not suggesting all of them are well run will most likely talk to girl that has multiple complaints and have her change her behavior or leave.

So in my opinion after exhausting all other options a badly behaving provider needs to be unmasked both on the forum and to shop management.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2140165]The longer you are here and the more experience you have in the P4 P industry, the easier it is to tell the difference. I think the majority of us empathize with the gals. I myself have no interest in new or inexperienced gals, preferring pros with good skill sets. I like the girl next door type; provided I live next door to a brothel.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. I have lots of hooker friends (what can I say, I like hookers) and don't cut people slack because "it's a hard life" it's a hard life because the money is so good and here the chop is even better than in most places. I asked a couple girls and they all have told me the same 75/25 25% going to the house.

Maybe.

I'm always looking for friendly relations with chicks (as I do in all my business relationships) and don't abuse any of them but that doesn't mean I make excuses for them either. Maybe I've been lucky so far (plus I've gotten some good leads) but my experiences in Thailand have been mostly positive and always good value for money. While Thai chicks haven't had the same kind of fire I love in Latin chicks they have all been very service oriented. Sometimes shit doesn't click and that's not really anybodies fault it's just the way it goes sometimes but they have all at least been able to pretend they wanted to provide a great experience.

For me it's an attitude of service and then good skills.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2139409]To *****man.
Maybe Bimbo is the problems I would just ask the management to give me another girl if you sense bad attuide, he need to treat the girl with respect and not force her to do thing that she don't like to do.
Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Hello Eddie,

If the girl doesn't want to kiss, doesn't want her pussy to be touched, doesn't like blowjobs, doesn't like doggie and prefers wasting the client's time preparing baths, then she should take another job.

And management shouldn't have hired her.

I do not want t push the girls, but in a brothel, there are some minimum expectations.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2140208]Hello Eddie,

If the girl doesn't want to kiss, doesn't want her pussy to be touched, doesn't like blowjobs, doesn't like doggie and prefers wasting the client's time preparing baths, then she should take another job.

And management shouldn't have hired her.

I do not want t push the girls, but in a brothel, there are some minimum expectations.[/QUOTE]I'm 100% positive that at Poseidon and every other soapy massages, customers have the option to order a drink. While doing so, you also have the option to ask a manager to help you select the girl that provides what you want. Also you have the option of calling the girl over and sit with you for a drink and asking about her services and if any tipping is necessary for extras. Do you just do a "pick, grab, and hope for the best?

Recently went to Snow White, and had a session with Candy. Would definitely recommend, enthusiastic throughout and much better than some experiences I have had at soapies. Had a session with multiple shots, and even when I was tired, she would ask if I wanted to go for one more instead of trying to avoid it as I would have expected.

Looking to try different ones in the Sukhumvit area now. Can anyone help me out, do Addict Massage and Premier 101 massage allow multiple shots, BBBJ, etc?

I'm new to partaking in this industry, and until recently, I only visited the larger soapies. Those have generally been similar in quality with not much difference in the services provided by the girls.

A soapy I would recommend against is Avita Massage. I went there some time last month, and showed up around 9:00 PM. Was told that the service is for 2 hours. However, it turns out that on that particular day, they were having a party for the employees at 10 PM. As a result, I was basically rushed out and the service was terrible. She tried to rush through everything so fast that after a certain point I was just turned off and wasn't even in the mood. It's fair that they have a party for their employees, but the manager should have told me about the situation instead of saying it was 2 hours, business as usual, and I only find out about it after I have paid.

Recently, I tried one of the massage places in Sukhumvit for the first time. Visited Snow White, and since she was recommended here, went with Candy. Wow! Did not know what I have been missing out on. Service was much much better, and she was enthusiastic throughout the session. Was able to do multiple shots, and she was asking if I wanted to do more right until the end. Was there for the full amount of time that I had asked, and there was no feeling that I was being rushed out (which happens at soapies where the girls are already thinking of ending the session so they can chill or hopefully get another customer). Would definitely recommend.

Now I am interested in some of the other massage places in that area. Could anyone tell me if the standard in that area is multiple shots, BBBJ, etc or do they also differ. Also, would like to know if Addict Massage or Premier 101 Massage also allow multiple shots since the girls on the websites seem like what I would prefer.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2140208]Hello Eddie,

If the girl doesn't want to kiss, doesn't want her pussy to be touched, doesn't like blowjobs, doesn't like doggie and prefers wasting the client's time preparing baths, then she should take another job.

And management shouldn't have hired her.

I do not want t push the girls, but in a brothel, there are some minimum expectations.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Same goes for all other niches of the P4 P industry. I stopped taking FLs a few years ago after I called off about 4 sessions in a row due to the same issues listed above. Gals got 100 Baht. Why that little? Didn't do anything. There must be an awful lot of guys out there who are ok with none of the above occurring, a 30 sec hummer to get the pecker up, and then a few minutes or less of actual intercourse, because that seems to be what many of these gals are expecting these days.

Soapies have always been a challenge for me because the gals there are used to their routine and ten to be uncomfortable when you try to write your own script. That has been true in Soapies since my first one almost 19 years ago. That's why PSE shops became so popular once Baron's opened. It was not the "pampering" soapy experience, but the full on nasty experience. It would be great if soapy gals were able to offer both according to the customer's wishes, but as stated with Thai P4P gals; the better looking the less you get.

What is the best time of day to find the best lineups?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2140215]I'm 100% positive that at Poseidon and every other soapy massages, customers have the option to order a drink. While doing so, you also have the option to ask a manager to help you select the girl that provides what you want. Also you have the option of calling the girl over and sit with you for a drink and asking about her services and if any tipping is necessary for extras. Do you just do a "pick, grab, and hope for the best?[/QUOTE]Well, the problem is that there was not a big choice to start with.

After excluding the ugly ones, the ones playing with smartphones, the choice was quite limited.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2140449]Well, the problem is that there was not a big choice to start with.

After excluding the ugly ones, the ones playing with smartphones, the choice was quite limited.[/QUOTE]

Face the facts, you made a rookie mistake. Everybody does. No girls worth doing you move onto the next location.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2140333]..... There must be an awful lot of guys out there who are ok with none of the above occurring, a 30 sec hummer to get the pecker up, and then a few minutes or less of actual intercourse, because that seems to be what many of these gals are expecting these days....[/QUOTE]The girls who expect that are girls who are accustomed to Asian customers.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2140501]Face the facts, you made a rookie mistake. Everybody does. No girls worth doing you move onto the next location.[/QUOTE]You are right. We decided to go ahead because we were short of time.

These Japanese Karaoke bars like Pink Diamond, are farang welcome there and do the girls offer full service?

Hi,

Just seen on there homepage, that they offer nuru, and candle massage. Looks like a soft wax treatment, think that could be a nice experience.

Has anyone tried that already? Will be in BKK next month and give it a try for sure. At same time try one of the new girls there as well.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2140391]What is the best time of day to find the best lineups?[/QUOTE]I'd say that the best time to find a lady you want is at the start of the rush hour. Which is probably between 5 and 6 in the evening.

Because if you come too early, when they don't normally have many customers. Then they'll have fewer and possibly less attractive ladies. It doesn't make sense to have many ladies sitting around and not doing anything, when they can predict that they aren't going to have many customers.

And if you come too late, when a lot of customers have already taken out the ladies, then again you'll have fewer and less attractive ladies to choose from. Because the best-looking ladies will be busy with their customers.

But if you come just before the rush hour starts and wait for extra ladies to come, then this is when you get to have the best choice. Because the ladies come a little bit early, so that they can be ready, when the rush of customers arrives. And in this small window period, you can probably find a lady you like.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2140151]... I find that when the provider realizes that you aren't there just to get yourself off but also want her to have a good time the attitude may change completely. LFK or no kissing suddenly turns into DFK; and haste to make you cum as soon as possible turns into effort to get you up for another round. I'm by no means a stud and I'm not suggesting that this always happens. But showing some empathy and kindness does go a long way.[/QUOTE]I think it all comes down to helping the lady get in the mood to do you good.

If you make her feel insecure and unsure, then she is going to be thinking about that, rather than about ways to make it good for you.

Making small talk helps the lady relax with you. Giving her a friendly hug is important too. Because you need to back up your nice words with nice actions to make them believable.

Once the lady is relaxed, then you need to foreplay her, so that she is sexually aroused and in the mood to do you good. And when it comes to sexually arousing a lady, then there is no substitute for massaging her pussy and clit with a well-lubricated hand. You need to get her clitoral erection going. Or else, she isn't in the mood.

You can do oral sex on the lady. But this is less spontaneous, than frequently reaching for the lady's clit and masturbating it in various positions and situations. Oral sex is good for bringing the lady all the way to orgasm. But if you just want to arouse the lady sexually and maintain her arousal, then spontaneous clit masturbations in various situations works really well for that. And it's a better way to get mutual pleasure from each other, than oral sex. Because the lady can continue pleasing you, even while you are pleasing her.

In some sex positions, you can even masturbate the lady's clit with your hand, while you ride her pussy with your cock. Which isn't possible to do with oral sex. The best you can do with oral sex is to have mutual oral sex in the 69 position.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2141110]I think it all comes down to helping the lady get in the mood to do you good.

If you make her feel insecure and unsure, then she is going to be thinking about that, rather than about ways to make it good for you.

Making small talk helps the lady relax with you. Giving her a friendly hug is important too. Because you need to back up your nice words with nice actions to make them believable.

Once the lady is relaxed, then you need to foreplay her, so that she is sexually aroused and in the mood to do you good. And when it comes to sexually arousing a lady, then there is no substitute for massaging her pussy and clit with a well-lubricated hand. You need to get her clitoral erection going. Or else, she isn't in the mood.

You can do oral sex on the lady. But this is less spontaneous, than frequently reaching for the lady's clit and masturbating it in various positions and situations. Oral sex is good for bringing the lady all the way to orgasm. But if you just want to arouse the lady sexually and maintain her arousal, then spontaneous clit masturbations in various situations works really well for that. And it's a better way to get mutual pleasure from each other, than oral sex. Because the lady can continue pleasing you, even while you are pleasing her.

In some sex positions, you can even masturbate the lady's clit with your hand, while you ride her pussy with your cock. Which isn't possible to do with oral sex. The best you can do with oral sex is to have mutual oral sex in the 69 position.[/QUOTE]Personally, I prefer to just slap my cock all over her face and then give her a 3-hole pounding.

Since I've been reading about all of you guys banging my future ex wife Candy at Snow White I thought I would get back at that unfaithful woman (seriously, she told me I was special) by banging somebody else.

I had seen a chick named ohha (something like that, Thai names kill me) at chrome, 20 something spinner of Lao ethnicity but one of you fuckers had taken the second great love of my life out of the place so in my grief I was forced to look at the lineup and chose Whee (again, Thai names) 30 something, pretty, fake boobs, to console me.

I got to say, this was the fastest I've ever gotten over a broken heart. This chick was pretty amazing, she understood pacing. I'm a one shot kinda guy and I told her that and everything she did after hearing that was about slowly turning up the heat. Chrome is a soapy place and while the ambiance is less than romantic like SW with all tile and harsh lights this session was fucking hot. Everything was slow, really slow. She bathed me slow standing up, working around my unit not touching it until it was hard and then finally soaping it up but only enough to get me really hard then rinse.

Then down on the mat on my belly for 10-15 minutes while she did all the ass rubbing and titty rubbing starting at my toes to my head.

Then the flip and it was more of the same for another 15, she barely touched my junk, just a couple slight, almost accidental touches. Then she started playing with it, so lightly it was hard to tell if she was touching it sometimes and the same with the BBBJ. Long slow, BBBJ, lots of change in intensity. Just great. By the time I got around to fucking her I was done in about a minute.

Her english is pretty good so after we cuddled up a little and had a post coital chat. She surprised me by saying she was a mom, I knew she wasn't young, but I was surprised she was older than 35 and I could see ZERO baby damage. She was curvy, not a spinner by any stretch but not fat.

Overall a great experience, cost was 2 K at the door. I will repeat.

[QUOTE=*****man;2141608]Personally, I prefer to just slap my cock all over her face and then give her a 3-hole pounding.[/QUOTE]Attractive ladies usually don't like this kind of approach. Which leaves you with a limited choice of ladies.

I'd rather have mutual pleasure with a really hot chick, than have a 3-hole pounding with a less attractive lady.

There is always a trade-off in everything you do. But it's up to you.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2141694]Since I've been reading about all of you guys banging my future ex wife Candy at Snow White I thought I would get back at that unfaithful woman (seriously, she told me I was special) by banging somebody else.

I had seen a chick named ohha (something like that, Thai names kill me) at chrome, 20 something spinner of Lao ethnicity but one of you fuckers had taken the second great love of my life out of the place so in my grief I was forced to look at the lineup and chose Whee (again, Thai names) 30 something, pretty, fake boobs, to console me.

I got to say, this was the fastest I've ever gotten over a broken heart. This chick was pretty amazing, she understood pacing. I'm a one shot kinda guy and I told her that and everything she did after hearing that was about slowly turning up the heat. Chrome is a soapy place and while the ambiance is less than romantic like SW with all tile and harsh lights this session was fucking hot. Everything was slow, really slow. She bathed me slow standing up, working around my unit not touching it until it was hard and then finally soaping it up but only enough to get me really hard then rinse.

Then down on the mat on my belly for 10-15 minutes while she did all the ass rubbing and titty rubbing starting at my toes to my head.

Then the flip and it was more of the same for another 15, she barely touched my junk, just a couple slight, almost accidental touches. Then she started playing with it, so lightly it was hard to tell if she was touching it sometimes and the same with the BBBJ. Long slow, BBBJ, lots of change in intensity. Just great. By the time I got around to fucking her I was done in about a minute.

Her english is pretty good so after we cuddled up a little and had a post coital chat. She surprised me by saying she was a mom, I knew she wasn't young, but I was surprised she was older than 35 and I could see ZERO baby damage. She was curvy, not a spinner by any stretch but not fat.

Overall a great experience, cost was 2 K at the door. I will repeat.[/QUOTE]In my experience, a Thai P4P girl who understands and applies properly slow pacing like you described is INCREDIBLY rare and worth tons more of our time and money than what we commonly encounter. Seriously. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of them out of hundreds I have tried in the past 5 years living here. Thanks for that review. I hope Wi (or Whee, as you spelled it) gets more business from your review. Hell, I might try my luck with her myself sometime just to see if she can break my years' long curse of worthless to disastrous massage shop experiences.

[QUOTE=*****man;2141608]Personally, I prefer to just slap my cock all over her face and then give her a 3-hole pounding.[/QUOTE]Oh how I wish this forum had a like button.

They are making fun of Dan, who does not get the joke. Admin2 is in on it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2141799]In my experience, a Thai P4P girl who understands and applies properly slow pacing like you described is INCREDIBLY rare and worth tons more of our time and money than what we commonly encounter. Seriously. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of them out of hundreds I have tried in the past 5 years living here. Thanks for that review. I hope Wi (or Whee, as you spelled it) gets more business from your review. Hell, I might try my luck with her myself sometime just to see if she can break my years' long curse of worthless to disastrous massage shop experiences.[/QUOTE]As always, YMMV. Perhaps I found the one that "likes" me and hates all the rest of the falangs LOL. That happened to me in Argentina with an Aletta Ocean look a like. Chick had shitty reviews for years from everybody who saw her, I knew that going in but, well, Aletta Ocean look a like. From the first day she fucked me like I invented sex. For a year and a half twice a week everytime, GFE / PSE sex. The whole time she continued to get shitty reviews for being cold and mechanical. I asked her about it once and she said she hated them but I was her "amorcito" maybe it's the same with Wi (whee, whatever) hookers, go figure. I usually make jokes and laugh a lot at the beginning of a session with a new girl so maybe that's what does it.

My experience yesterday with her was nearly excruciatingly slow.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2141831]They are making fun of Dan, who does not get the joke. Admin2 is in on it.[/QUOTE]Not sure about what joke I'm in on.

Since I can be an incredibly horny fucker, I was wondering are Premier 101, Addict massage, and Dream Heaven massage multiple shot shops?

[QUOTE=Ajlon;2141864]Since I can be an incredibly horny fucker, I was wondering are Premier 101, Addict massage, and Dream Heaven massage multiple shot shops?[/QUOTE]At these places I can say yes. I'm not a multiple shot kinda guy but at all three of these it was 100% on the menu. Snow White it was on with two different chicks, same with chrome.

I'm thinking mltipop is basic service in Thailand because the two places in Pattaya were explicit in saying it was, along with everyplace I've been to in BKK but I could be wrong. (BJ bars excluded).

[QUOTE=Admin2;2141865]As always, YMMV. Perhaps I found the one that "likes" me and hates all the rest of the falangs LOL. That happened to me in Argentina with an Aletta Ocean look a like. Chick had shitty reviews for years from everybody who saw her, I knew that going in but, well, Aletta Ocean look a like. From the first day she fucked me like I invented sex. For a year and a half twice a week everytime, GFE / PSE sex. The whole time she continued to get shitty reviews for being cold and mechanical. I asked her about it once and she said she hated them but I was her "amorcito" maybe it's the same with Wi (whee, whatever) hookers, go figure. I usually make jokes and laugh a lot at the beginning of a session with a new girl so maybe that's what does it.

My experience yesterday with her was nearly excruciatingly slow.
[/QUOTE]That is similar to my approach with a new girl too. And that usually contributes to producing the results I am hoping for. Except for massage shop girls. LOL. For me, what makes a massage shop experience unacceptably mechanical is the girl's speed. Typically, there is almost nothing I can say, demonstrate and repeat that will slow the girl down except for perhaps for the five seconds after I got the message across. Then it's right back to her going way too fast to feel like the girl is engaging with a human being instead of grappling with a stubborn water pump. Her mistake, oddly enough, is that she starts out working too hard.

Excruciatingly slow is a much, much better starting point imo. Then when or if I need her to go faster with me, she still has the energy to do it. And I might not ever need her to work harder or move faster.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2141916]Excruciatingly slow is a much, much better starting point imo. Then when or if I need her to go faster with me, she still has the energy to do it. And I might not ever need her to work harder or move faster.[/QUOTE]My pet peeve in BKK. Seems impossible to get a sensual experience. No more than handful sensual experiences in all my frequent travels there.

[QUOTE=Ibaski;2142020]My pet peeve in BKK. Seems impossible to get a sensual experience. No more than handful sensual experiences in all my frequent travels there.[/QUOTE]I walked out of one at the Pink Massage over by Addiction, Addictive whatever. The chick gave me a shower like she was prepping me for surgery or something. Just scrubbed me, no sensuality at all. I asked her if everything was ok and she said yes and asked why. I said because you look angry, have I done something to offend you? She said no. Then we go to the bed and she had me lay down on my stomach and was just pushing down on my back like she was trying to bounce me on the bed. I finally just stood up and started getting dressed and used google translate to explain that she had done nothing erotic nor sensual since we came upstairs and I was leaving.

I asked for another girl at the desk, they said none were available, (there were none sitting around or out front) the lady asked me why, I used translate again to explain that the 10 minutes I had spent upstairs were devoid of any sensuality or eroticism at all and that I should get at least half my money back. She wouldn't and I wasn't going to make a big deal about it because that would be a waste of time for 30 bucks.

I knew I would write about it here sooner or later so hopefully they lose a couple sales from it.

A friend of mine here who has spent time in South America describes the difference like this, "Latinas fuck like they are trying to put out a fire, Asians fuck like they are scratching an itch. " I have found that to be generally true but there are aspects I'm loving, I dig this taking my shoes of thing and I am going to fucking miss being bathed in the shower. Even the good ones like Candy have good technique but not good, I don't even know how to say it, sensuality maybe. I can't give them a bad review, they do a good job but they are somewhat cool about.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2141868]At these places I can say yes. I'm not a multiple shot kinda guy but at all three of these it was 100% on the menu. Snow White it was on with two different chicks, same with chrome.

I'm thinking mltipop is basic service in Thailand because the two places in Pattaya were explicit in saying it was, along with everyplace I've been to in BKK but I could be wrong. (BJ bars excluded).[/QUOTE]In my experience I would say that most ladies at most places won't explicitly invite you to have a second shot with them. It's something you need to ask the lady for.

The only exception to this might be a very premature ejaculation. The lady might feel guilty about taking a lot of money from you, without doing much with you. So, she might offer you to have a second shot with her.

And if you are going to ask the lady for two or more shots with her, then it's best to ask her right at the start. Because the lady might assume that you are finished with her after your first shot, and you might be too embarrassed to tell her otherwise. I've been in this kind of situation before, and I didn't ask the lady for a second shot, even though I wanted to do it. It's easier to ask the lady at the start, than in the middle of it.

And it also depends on what kind of second shot you want with her. If you want to bang the lady for a second time, then she might ask you for an extra 1000B. Even at places like Annie's Massage, you get two shots. But only one of them is full service, the other is from oral sex. It's best to tell the lady exactly what kind of shots you want with her. Or else you might end up with a misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2142067]In my experience I would say that most ladies at most places won't explicitly invite you to have a second shot with them. It's something you need to ask the lady for.

The only exception to this might be a very premature ejaculation. The lady might feel guilty about taking a lot of money from you, without doing much with you. So, she might offer you to have a second shot with her.

And if you are going to ask the lady for two or more shots with her, then it's best to ask her right at the start. Because the lady might assume that you are finished with her after your first shot, and you might be too embarrassed to tell her otherwise. I've been in this kind of situation before, and I didn't ask the lady for a second shot, even though I wanted to do it. It's easier to ask the lady at the start, than in the middle of it.

And it also depends on what kind of second shot you want with her. If you want to bang the lady for a second time, then she might ask you for an extra 1000B. Even at places like Annie's Massage, you get two shots. But only one of them is full service, the other is from oral sex. It's best to tell the lady exactly what kind of shots you want with her. Or else you might end up with a misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]Both of the chicks at Snow White assumed I would be going for two in an hour and seemed to be surprised when I didn't. I generally bust around the 35-40 minute mark because if they aren't boring I like chatting a bit while I relax after, if they are boring I just catch my breath clean up and leave.

The poor thing at Asian Massage wanted to do a good job, she seemed (to me) to have the desire to please me but I think is not well suited to the business and really wants each session to be over.

I told the lady I've been talking about recently from Chrome that I would only be busting once (her english was really good so I felt confident she would understand) and she adjusted the session.

I don't really remember how the other chick (Oh) at chrome handled it. I was more focused on fucking this extremely (again to me) hot chick that I don't recall. I know that she spent a lot of time doing the slippy slidey thing which may have been her way of avoiding actual sex but I was 100% digging it so I didn't care.

My experience is limited, and for a couple of them I had the assistance of the members of this forum telling me "go here, fuck her" (being an Admin is fucking great) so I probably dodged some duds.

All of the Pattaya experiences were a bust for me.

This is not me contradicting you, you have obviously spent a lot more time here than I have, just sharing my experiences. Maybe the trick is to go in pretending to want only one LOL.

I also wonder if multiple shots is more for the 90 min sessions. Don't know, just wondering.

This is from December last. Went to La Belle soapy at around 7-7.30 on a weekend. The place was packed with more than 30 girls available. There were around 6-7 other guys, almost all of them japanese/korean. I can't tell the difference. I hadn't had proper lunch, so ordered some chicken dish and a juice, while I scanned the talent available. I narrowed down my choice to a couple of girls but as I was still eating, my chicken that is, LOL, I decided to wait. This was clearly an error in judgment as a trio of dudes marched out of nowhere and scooped up one of the girls I had in my sights. An important lesson learnt, if you like a girl, don't linger thinking that you can come to her later because there may not be a later. Closer to the bar, where high-end girls are seated, I could see a dusky, voluptuous beauty, wearing a tight red dress meant to accentuate her curves, who caught my attention. From my position, I could not make out her face clearly. So, went closer for a better look and, I don't say this lightly, this girl was very pretty and looked more like a Latina than a Thai. I was still appreciating her beauty when she got up and moved towards the reception area and out of sight. That was the last time I saw her. Maybe, she was pre-booked or something idk. Even now I wonder, sometimes, what it would have been like? Finally, I made my selection and this girl, I think, was 5 k category. Don't remember her name. I've come to realize that it's difficult for me to remember the names of girls, with the excitement of everything that's going on, unless I make a deliberate and concerted effort to remember them. Anyhow, the room was quite spacious, with a nice over-sized jacuzzi and a seating area with a sofa and centre table. So, no problems in so far as the ambience is concerned. Above the bed, there was a mirror in the ceiling but it was a little small to my liking and, if memory serves, did not provide the view of the entire bed. After the ceremonial cleaning of parts, she provided a nice B2B in the jacuzzi. While I was playing with her, she let out these soft moans, which led me to believe she was genuinely enjoying herself. But, then again, these WGs are really good at feigning so, who knows. LFK/DFK was not on the table and upon asking she refused saying - many many customer. By now, B2B had done it's trick and I was ready for some hard action. So, swiftly on to the bed where she puts on the rubber with her mouth. These WGs are so good at it. Did her in mish and doggy while enjoying the view in the mirror above. First time I experienced this, although would've liked it better had the mirror been bigger and placed closer. After a while, johnny started losing strength so asked her to provide BJ. After a quick change of rubber, she provided a decent CBJ for a couple of minutes. I prefer CBJ for safety reasons so don't know whether or not OWO is part of the standard service at this place. Soon, I was ready for the last lap and asked her to take over and do the legwork and she finished me in cowgirl. Overall, it was decent service, with no complaints from the girl, who took it like a champ for solid 30 minutes and change. She had a nice face, which is always a turn on and spoke the language, although just functional. On the flipside, lack of LFK/DFK and the fact that the girl had a flattish sort of figure with not much to grab. After the session, I remember her pointing out that I had used two sheaths. I don't know why she said this. I remember thinking to myself that these guys are going to charge me for the extra rubber. LOL. But, of course, there was none of that. The girls at this joint, IMO, are a class above the ones at other high-end soapies in Bkk with the exception of, maybe, The Lord Palace where I have found even the entry level girls to be quite gorgeous. However, I wouldn't mind going back to this place. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2142250]... I was more focused on fucking this extremely (again to me) hot chick that I don't recall. I know that she spent a lot of time doing the slippy slidey thing which may have been her way of avoiding actual sex but I was 100% digging it so I didn't care....[/QUOTE]There is actually an easy way to get the hot chick ask for your dick, when she is doing the slidey thing on you. It's something that works for me every time.

Basically I reach for the lady's clit whenever I can and masturbate it with a well-lubricated hand. The lady quickly gets a hard clitoral erection. And after a while, she gets so aroused that she can't do her slidey thing well anymore. So, she assumes either a doggy or a missionary position and urges me to take her with my cock.

The reason why the lady might be taking a long time with her slidey thing on you is that she doesn't yet feel ready to take your cock with her pussy. She needs more foreplay for herself, because she isn't yet aroused enough to take your cock with her pussy.

And of course, you can be a gentleman with the lady and help her get ready. All you need to do is find her clit whenever you can and masturbate it either with your finger or hand, depending on the situation Even when the lady holds her legs close together, then you can still insert one finger between her legs, put it on her slit, and masturbate her clit.

Some ladies actually like it this way more, than when they are spreading themselves for the guy. I've had some ladies who orgasmed with me this way, while holding their legs close together and letting me do a well-lubricated hard-and-fast one finger on their slit to masturbate their clit.

The only possible drawback of getting the hot lady go down for your cock with you is that you probably won't last, unless you plan ahead and know what to do.

I've read some advice from porn stars about how they make their sex last so long. And one of them said that extending foreplay is definitely one way to make it last longer. Which sounds like doing an extended slidey thing in your situation. But by itself this isn't enough. She also said that you need to mix sex with foreplay and go back and forth between them, rather than just go to sex and stay with that. And she says that if you pay attention to porn scenes, then you will see that it isn't non-stop sexual intercourse. They usually switch back and forth between using their hands and mouths and pussies and cocks. That's how they last for a long time.

So, my suggestion for doing it with a massage lady is to bang her a little, then ask her to do the slidey thing on you again, then bang her some more, and so on, until you feel ready to pound the lady for your total orgasm with her.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2142059]A friend of mine here who has spent time in South America describes the difference like this, "Latinas fuck like they are trying to put out a fire, Asians fuck like they are scratching an itch. " I have found that to be generally true but there are aspects I'm loving, I dig this taking my shoes of thing and I am going to fucking miss being bathed in the shower. Even the good ones like Candy have good technique but not good, I don't even know how to say it, sensuality maybe. I can't give them a bad review, they do a good job but they are somewhat cool about.[/QUOTE]I have found that to be true as well. In my 18 years here I have found very few gals who have the passion and intensity of Western gals, both Latin and no-Latin.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2142412]There is actually an easy way to get the hot chick ask for your dick, when she is doing the slidey thing on you. It's something that works for me every time.

Basically I reach for the lady's clit whenever I can and masturbate it with a well-lubricated hand. The lady quickly gets a hard clitoral erection. And after a while, she gets so aroused that she can't do her slidey thing well anymore. So, she assumes either a doggy or a missionary position and urges me to take her with my cock.

The reason why the lady might be taking a long time with her slidey thing on you is that she doesn't yet feel ready to take your cock with her pussy. She needs more foreplay for herself, because she isn't yet aroused enough to take your cock with her pussy..[/QUOTE]When you get to my age, finishing too soon ain't the problem. Post-50, finishing at all becomes the only issue.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2142562]When you get to my age, finishing too soon ain't the problem. Post-50, finishing at all becomes the only issue.[/QUOTE]I haven't had control issues for a month of Sundays.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2142562]When you get to my age, finishing too soon ain't the problem. Post-50, finishing at all becomes the only issue.[/QUOTE]Pushing mid-50's and can still pop twice in a good hour's PSE session. Is it like it was in my 20's and 30's? No, but the drop off is not that great. Really, it's all about taking care of yourself. Don't smoke, drink in moderation, hit the gym 4 or so days a week, cardio the same, eat healthy food. If that testosterone is flagging, get on TRT. I have friends in their late 60's and early 70's who still have no issues.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2142461]I have found that to be true as well. In my 18 years here I have found very few gals who have the passion and intensity of Western gals, both Latin and no-Latin.[/QUOTE]My view is that Asian girls just don't enjoy sex as much as western girls. However, they do try to please you in either a working or non-working relationship which makes them great for p4p. Also, I believe the relationship between an elderly man and a young Asian woman is better for that reason.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2142676]Pushing mid-50's and can still pop twice in a good hour's PSE session. Is it like it was in my 20's and 30's? No, but the drop off is not that great. Really, it's all about taking care of yourself. Don't smoke, drink in moderation, hit the gym 4 or so days a week, cardio the same, eat healthy food. If that testosterone is flagging, get on TRT. I have friends in their late 60's and early 70's who still have no issues.[/QUOTE]I was the same in my mid and late fifties but now in my early sixties and there IS a drop off. Two pops in an hour is no longer possible although I can manage two erections in an hour. And yes I sometimes can't finish even in an hour. The amusing aspect of this is that it drives providers who think they can get away with a quick session crazy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2142910]My view is that Asian girls just don't enjoy sex as much as western girls. However, they do try to please you in either a working or non-working relationship which makes them great for p4p. Also, I believe the relationship between an elderly man and a young Asian woman is better for that reason.[/QUOTE]Spot on analysis. And I would say much of that is due to the culture here that demands that women all be "good girls. ".

[QUOTE=Lion55;2143042]I was the same in my mid and late fifties but now in my early sixties and there IS a drop off. Two pops in an hour is no longer possible although I can manage two erections in an hour. And yes I sometimes can't finish even in an hour. The amusing aspect of this is that it drives providers who think they can get away with a quick session crazy.[/QUOTE]Time to get that testosterone checked and get on TRT.

Hello,

Any recent experience with this place? I have searched but could not find much of any recent information. Website layout similar to BitStyle, but prices are lower.

Thank you in advance.

John.

[URL]http://www.exoticmassagebangkok.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://bitstylemassage.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnEastBay;2143157]Hello,

Any recent experience with this place? I have searched but could not find much of any recent information. Website layout similar to BitStyle, but prices are lower.

Thank you in advance.

John.

[URL]http://www.exoticmassagebangkok.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://bitstylemassage.com[/URL][/QUOTE]I went there approx. 6 months ago to experience some of the stuff they advertise from their website. Turned out that it was some +40 years olds (or maybe older) that was the suppliers for these services. Not the younger part of the lineup. I didn't go for it.

[QUOTE=Zahle;2143327]I went there approx. 6 months ago to experience some of the stuff they advertise from their website. Turned out that it was some +40 years olds (or maybe older) that was the suppliers for these services. Not the younger part of the lineup. I didn't go for it.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the update. Will try Snow White instead.

John.

[QUOTE=JohnEastBay;2143157]Hello,

Any recent experience with this place? I have searched but could not find much of any recent information. Website layout similar to BitStyle, but prices are lower.

Thank you in advance.

John.

[URL]http://www.exoticmassagebangkok.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://bitstylemassage.com[/URL][/QUOTE]I sessioned with Ying from Exotic Massage a couple of times back in November; once at the shop and once for Outcall. She provided very good GFE service.

Still Mango, Addicts, Cherry, Candy, Snowhite, Tulip?

Thank you Lion.

Just emailed the shop asking if she is still working there and available.

Really appreciate your suggestion.

John.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2143523]I sessioned with Ying from Exotic Massage a couple of times back in November; once at the shop and once for Outcall. She provided very good GFE service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Omega2017;2143642]Still Mango, Addicts, Cherry, Candy, Snowhite, Tulip?[/QUOTE]Tulip, Snow White, Cherry in that order.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2143726]Tulip, Snow White, Cherry in that order.[/QUOTE]Based on my personal experience, the order should be Snow White, Mango, and Tulip. I am a CIM fan. In Snow White, Mango, and Tulip, almost all the girls will do CIM. There are about 50 % of the girls who will NOT do CIM in Cherry.

[QUOTE=Omega2017;2143642]Still Mango, Addicts, Cherry, Candy, Snowhite, Tulip?[/QUOTE]Mango has a 500 baht surcharge for A+. Not sure about Addicts. Candy, Cherry and Boss each have 1-3 A+ providers, but no guarantees they'll be around. I think we're down to Snow White and Tulip for guaranteed reliable A+ and multiple pops.

I had my first trip to Snow White and WOW! Yeah. That was nice!

So, I walked in and paid for 90 minutes (a bit more relaxing and less rushed for me). As I went to choose the girl, well, for context I am an obese black man. Therefore, they all obviously looked less than enthusiastic about the prospect of being chosen by me. They all had these looks on their faces like "please, don't choose me. " So, I went with the one girl who had an almost-smile on her face. Largest boobs there, went by the name of "Nana". A bit too much makeup and her boobs were very enhanced, but she had a nice round ass and a pretty smile!

We went upstairs and she immediately turned on the charm, hugging me like I'm her big teddy bear.

After she went down to get three water bottles, she dimmed the lights and we went to take the shower. Just like Tulip, she gave me a BBBJ in the shower. Afterwards, we went to the bed and, bless this girl, she made me feel like the sexiest guy alive! She was an extraordinary actress, pretending to be all turned on and getting me in the mood with another BBBJ. Afterwards, she put on a condom and climbed on top for cowgirl. After a few minutes of fun, we turned over for mish, where I came. HARD. While I rested, she gave me an okay massage before giving me an HJ to get me in the mood for round 2. Round 2 began with mish and ended with doggy. With 5 minutes left, we took a shower, got dressed, re-hydrated, and went back downstairs.

All in all, I had a great time there. My time with Snow White (or at least Nana) was well worth it!

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2143865]Based on my personal experience, the order should be Snow White, Mango, and Tulip. I am a CIM fan. In Snow White, Mango, and Tulip, almost all the girls will do CIM. There are about 50 % of the girls who will NOT do CIM in Cherry.[/QUOTE]If anal is the main preference than Tulip is still the top option with Snow White beeing a close second. Snow White might have some less mature girls compared to Tulip.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2144455]Mango has a 500 baht surcharge for A+. Not sure about Addicts. Candy, Cherry and Boss each have 1-3 A+ providers, but no guarantees they'll be around. I think we're down to Snow White and Tulip for guaranteed reliable A+ and multiple pops.[/QUOTE]Both Mango and Bamboo have instituted the 500 Baht "butt penalty. " And it seems they are rarely mentioned here on the forum. I really wonder if this has effected their business. My guess is, it has.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2144663]Both Mango and Bamboo have instituted the 500 Baht "butt penalty. " And it seems they are rarely mentioned here on the forum. I really wonder if this has effected their business. My guess is, it has.[/QUOTE]There is no surcharge of 500 baht for CIM, digit and / or anal digit in Mango.

Fellow Seniors on the forum, Needed one quick suggestion on a good soapies massage place (understand reading the forum would be best, but have only 12 hours in BKK, and needed a sure shot place with good service, thought will ask seniors directly). Only two constraints, ladies need to be young (20-25) and CIM should be allowed. I heard Tulip has mostly mature ladies and Annies service quality has gone down. Please suggest me any good place and typical damage. Would definitely post FR / Help with other contacts.

Really appreciate your help!

Safe Mondering,

LC.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2145032]There is no surcharge of 500 baht for CIM, digit and / or anal digit in Mango.[/QUOTE]But there is a surcharge for A+ service.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2145032]There is no surcharge of 500 baht for CIM, digit and / or anal digit in Mango.[/QUOTE]Is that official that there's no surcharge for a finger in her arse?

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2145133]Fellow Seniors on the forum, Needed one quick suggestion on a good soapies massage place (understand reading the forum would be best, but have only 12 hours in BKK, and needed a sure shot place with good service, thought will ask seniors directly). Only two constraints, ladies need to be young (20-25) and CIM should be allowed. I heard Tulip has mostly mature ladies and Annies service quality has gone down. Please suggest me any good place and typical damage. Would definitely post FR / Help with other contacts.

Really appreciate your help!

Safe Mondering,

LC.[/QUOTE]If you are set on soapie I defer to other regular Bangkok mongerers, but if you are ok with oily I'the suggest you try Snow White, Tulip or Addict. If you want Nuru try Chrome Bar.

[QUOTE==*****man;2145253]Is that official that there's no surcharge for a finger in her arse?[/QUOTE]I did 69 position with a girl and she allowed both digit and anal digit. I finished with CIM and I paid her 1000 THB. I paid front desk 600 THB for 90 minutes before the sex.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2145753]I did 69 position with a girl and she allowed both digit and anal digit. I finished with CIM and I paid her 1000 THB. I paid front desk 600 THB for 90 minutes before the sex.[/QUOTE]The normal way of doing things is to pay for everything up front these days. I assume you are an old customer so they're allowing you to do things the old way. Who knows if the same would be true for some other customer? This is the problem with an A+ surcharge. Does it mean anything in her arse or just a dick?

Did you really do 69 for 90 minutes?

[QUOTE=*****man;2145833]The normal way of doing things is to pay for everything up front these days. I assume you are an old customer so they're allowing you to do things the old way. Who knows if the same would be true for some other customer? This is the problem with an A+ surcharge. Does it mean anything in her arse or just a dick?

Did you really do 69 for 90 minutes?[/QUOTE]If they start charging 500 baht just for a finger at Mango, we can put them in the scam artists list. It's probably up to the girl but I doubt she would ask you to pay for that once you come downstairs. The finger in the ass is not considered A+, I've done it in different oilies and never been asked a tip for that.

Based on feedback from helpful seniors. Went to snow white and took candy -.

Pros -.

- Very pretty face; was the prettiest in line-up of 7-8 girls at that time.

- Works to please. Will ask you multiple times if you are happy and what else can she do / do you want.

- Multiple shots allowed; Did CIM and then second one in FS. She was ready for third. I wasn't.

- Doesn't gag doesn't rush.

Cons -.

- Zero T*ts. By zero I mean flat. Nothing there except for perky nipples. So avoid if you are a booby-man.

- Warped skin near belly button. Not sure if it was baby damage or something else.

- Zero massage skills (shouldn't have asked / expected at SW LOL).

Chat up a little bit before the massage. Is fun if she's in the mood.

Damage. Usual 1500+400 for 1 hour.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

Body sounds same as sunny. Sunny has a top notch body except for the tits and slight belly looseness. Great figure though. Really fit body.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2146060]Based on feedback from helpful seniors. Went to snow white and took candy -.

Pros -.

- Very pretty face; was the prettiest in line-up of 7-8 girls at that time.

- Works to please. Will ask you multiple times if you are happy and what else can she do / do you want.

- Multiple shots allowed; Did CIM and then second one in FS. She was ready for third. I wasn't.

- Doesn't gag doesn't rush.

Cons -.

- Zero T*ts. By zero I mean flat. Nothing there except for perky nipples. So avoid if you are a booby-man.

- Warped skin near belly button. Not sure if it was baby damage or something else.

- Zero massage skills (shouldn't have asked / expected at SW LOL).

Chat up a little bit before the massage. Is fun if she's in the mood.

Damage. Usual 1500+400 for 1 hour.

Safe Mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]

I had not been on the forum for several weeks. The reason was: busy with work, lack of learning very much useful to me given my own peculiar tastes, and finally due to a winding down of frequency to monger. My GF relationship improved, and she has been keeping me relatively happy. If I did play up, it was same old regulars.

Today just happened to visit Soi Cowboy before the midnight closure for Wiskha Bucha holiday. All my regular girls were away, which I pretty much knew already, and nothing really interested except for girls who seemed to have customers already. Since I really wanted one and was after 11 PM, I decided to go to the MPs, first time in quite a while. Soi 24/1 was perused. I decided a girl at Boss had a nice enough face (clearly Issan) and the expression on her face somehow convinced me that fun might be possible. The body was a little on the voluptuous side for me given I normally go for skinny, but she was not fat. Tits looked enhanced most likely (while clothes still on), but not rock hard.

Her name was Pin. Correct that her tits were enhanced to D-cup, but at least no nose job I could detect. I won't bore you with a lot narrative. What I would like to say, is she related to me well, me being a bit of a Dingk Dongk type (meaning I fail to be serious about things discussed mostly joking around). She adapted to giving me a very soft massage and body slide as requested. Dick was massaged by her pussy. Kissing allowed. She did not smoke. Pussy recently shaved. Age unknown but I would have to guess over 30 since mature in attitudes and manner, not like silly teenagers. I could not tell if she had had a baby. Pussy tightish and did not see stretch marks. So possibly not a mother (no guarantees).

Fucking in several positions, 69, cowgirl where she ground her pubes on me slowly till she got her pop, mish, doggy. No porno, as I don't request it. Later she said she can do anal for customers with smaller size or cum quicker.

I greatly enjoyed the whole thing. Her pussy was perfect shaped and pretty and fitted me like a glove. So the point of the report, is to indicate she can give a very nice feeling fuck with enthusiasm. Porn star abilities are not known and therefore doubtful. Good GFE though. I never asked to try for a 2nd pop. Was after closing time already.

No complaints whatsoever (other than mentioned the sillies already), and she can certainly be good for the right attitude customer. In these MP shops, you can certainly do a lot worse. I definitely will repeat, and I don't say that about MP girls that often. The reasons are: Liked her face, body acceptable, liked her attitude, liked her ability to go slow, and was a great feel for the sex. Its no easy to please me that much, even without any porno action.

It was my first visit to Boss in quite a few years. So no one there remembered me at all. I would have to say I got lucky, because more often than not, I don't get lucky. Mostly have so so to crap experiences.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2146932]
Her name was Pin.[/QUOTE]Is this her?

[URL]http://www.boss26massage.com/pin.html[/URL]

You must really like them ultra skinny if you regard her as voluptuous. She seems a bit too sinewy for my tastes and definitely well over 30. Good report though.

[QUOTE=*****man;2147029]Is this her?

[URL]http://www.boss26massage.com/pin.html[/URL]

You must really like them ultra skinny if you regard her as voluptuous. She seems a bit too sinewy for my tastes and definitely well over 30. Good report though.[/QUOTE]Yes that is her. She most definitely is not even slightly sinewy. Not fat at all, but way more flesh than I usually take. Moderately big tits enhanced. Quite curvy so bordering on voluptuous (without misusing the word to mean fat).

Just recalled she is from Uthai Thani (Central Thailand north west of Bangkok), so officially is not Issan although looks similar to Issan girls to me.

I do normally go for girls much skinnier than Pin, prefer runway model types. LOL. My typical spec is slim face with real upturned nose, skinny legs and thighs with "gap", high ass not saggy, high tits not saggy. Pin's body was in no way hot for me, but quite acceptable. She may well be hot for guys with slightly different body taste.

The pics are quite flattering, as usual. LOL. She may have gained weight just a little since they were taken. At 162 cm according to the web page, I very much doubt she is still as low as 47 kilos.

Pin is worth considering for those guys looking for a fun GFE, if like her look. PSE probably not so much. I picked her out of a line up of about 12 girls, by her face mostly. Two others had O.K. face for me, one of those had zero tits I think. Those other two could have been Yu and Keiko, but hard to be sure (Did not ask the names). Likely I would have eliminated any girl with a fake looking nose.

Went down to Kiss Massage a couple of days ago.

The management / ownership I believe is the same for Kiss / Honey Bee / Bangkok Passion / Absolute Massage Bangkok and also for Bangkok Outcall.

Anyway, I went in to Kiss Massage, it was just after lunchtime so the lineup was only 6 girls. 5 of them never looked up from the phone in front of them, 1 did and smiled towards me. So my choice was easy.

1 hour in jacuzziroom with FS ordered at the cost of 2500 thb.

She said her name was Donut and she was 24 years old.

I just now looked at Kiss Massage website, and she is not the same girl Donut as the picture on the website, not even remotely similar, and the age does not match either.

Anyhow, she was a very nice girl, a bit chubby around her belly but nothing loose and wobely. Nice small natural tits.

Believe it or not she was not shaved, I normally prefer shaved girls but I did not ask before this time so I can blame anyone but myself.

Standard procedure with shower, wash, rinse and a lot of bubbles in the Jacuzzi.

When jacuzzi session with a lot of cuddling was over it was rinse time again, with a quick BJ before drying of and getting ready for the bed action.

She complained a little bit over the size of my dick, which I by the way think is normal size for a guy from Northern Europe. She said she was not sure she had condom that fit. I have my own condoms so that was not a big deal, at least not for me.

The FS action was for me better then average and I think she liked my size. She was naturally wet and did not require any extra lube.

We did most of the standard positions, finished in doggy style.

Nice big room with a mirror covering the entire wall on one side for a good view.

She asked if I wanted a second round but I believe that 50 min past already I can not be ready for a second round and finish again in under 10 minutes, so I past her invitation.

During the whole session from meeting to leaving she was extremely careful, holding my hand in the stairs up saying please watch out don't fall. Getting in and out of the jacuzzi she again took my hand saying please be careful. I know she only means well but I'm not an old fat guy, just your average Joe in my 40's and absolutely not overweight, so I consider myself being able to walk stairs and taking a bath without falling over.

Overall I enjoyed the session with "Donut" (or whatever her name was).

Will I return? Probably yes.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=*****man;2147029]Is this her?

[URL]http://www.boss26massage.com/pin.html[/URL]

You must really like them ultra skinny if you regard her as voluptuous. She seems a bit too sinewy for my tastes and definitely well over 30. Good report though.[/QUOTE]I've met her once a few years back and I agree with Scizigy, she's got an inviting smile with beautiful and very long dark hairs. Her boob job wasn't very good (too big for her body but the feeling was still OK).

She can take it up the ass without any problem, she told me she's got a lot of regular customers with very big member that come to fuck her ass (she is also listed as A+ on their cards in the shop). But to tell the truth, her ass was so loose that I stopped fucking it very quickly and went for her pussy instead (the size and feeling of her pussy was great). Her DT was also good, but she is definitely more around 40 than 30. Overall she was very nice and eager to please but I didn't repeat because there were younger and prettier girls available.

I went to Catherine soapy two weeks ago and saw it was closed. Looked like renovations going; I hope it's that and not just another soapy gone forever. It was my second favorite after Nataree because girls there were the same type — small, white-skinned Tai Yai Girls including imports from Burma and Laos.

So Catherine being closed, do you know any other soapies where I can find the same type of girl?

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2147509]I went to Catherine soapy two weeks ago and saw it was closed. Looked like renovations going; I hope it's that and not just another soapy gone forever. It was my second favorite after Nataree because girls there were the same type small, white-skinned Tai Yai Girls including imports from Burma and Laos.

So Catherine being closed, do you know any other soapies where I can find the same type of girl?[/QUOTE]Places like that are having a hard time at the moment. Victoria's Secret was one such place and was raided by police recently.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2147509]I went to Catherine soapy two weeks ago and saw it was closed. Looked like renovations going; I hope it's that and not just another soapy gone forever. It was my second favorite after Nataree because girls there were the same type small, white-skinned Tai Yai Girls including imports from Burma and Laos.

So Catherine being closed, do you know any other soapies where I can find the same type of girl?[/QUOTE]Same type, LOL? You mean young ugly girls but cheap? Perhaps not. However that is why Catherine was never a hit with me.

The trend lately is places to be closed down for sanitation reasons, e. G Annies closed (but not Chrome and Wood). Don't pass inspection. Could Catherine be another of those?

The other classic reason is girls of questionable age or nationality. Whoops I am not allowed to say much on that topic, especially when I know nothing specific. However think of the Nataree example.

Finally tax evasion is best way to get these places.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2147123]I've met her once a few years back and I agree with Scizigy, she's got an inviting smile with beautiful and very long dark hairs. Her boob job wasn't very good (too big for her body but the feeling was still OK).

She can take it up the ass without any problem, she told me she's got a lot of regular customers with very big member that come to fuck her ass (she is also listed as A+ on their cards in the shop). But to tell the truth, her ass was so loose that I stopped fucking it very quickly and went for her pussy instead (the size and feeling of her pussy was great). Her DT was also good, but she is definitely more around 40 than 30. Overall she was very nice and eager to please but I didn't repeat because there were younger and prettier girls available.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of that. I had said well over 30. Exact age is very difficult. I don't care the age myself, if in good condition, no saggy stuff. Yes her pussy was a damn good fit. No reason to want the ass. It is not that easy to find a lot prettier in the MPs. When they are very young and pretty, service often sucks big time, or just dick scared.

However please tell me where there is a very pretty slim girl all natural (no nose job) in the MPs with great service. Scarce as hen's teeth. The last really pretty one I had in Soi 33 disappeared about 12 months ago, even then, she was a little dick scared, not at the beginning, but after a bad experience with some customer.

Most pretty young girls that fuck with wild abandon seem to have had babies. I have one 21 YO exception in CH bar. Finding girls of perfection in MPs is extremely difficult in my experience.

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2147049]During the whole session from meeting to leaving she was extremely careful, holding my hand in the stairs up saying please watch out don't fall. Getting in and out of the jacuzzi she again took my hand saying please be careful. I know she only means well but I'm not an old fat guy, just your average Joe in my 40's and absolutely not overweight, so I consider myself being able to walk stairs and taking a bath without falling over.

Overall I enjoyed the session with "Donut" (or whatever her name was).
[/QUOTE]Inexperienced customers are not used to getting in and out of baths and can be slippery situations, regardless of the age. Also stairs are renowned for low parts.

I hit my head many times on my first visit to Thailand, but I did learn the lesson eventually. Construction of doorways and stairwells etc. Is not like the west. Also customers have been known to fall for other reasons. Sexual exhaustion, I don't know?

Anyway I would not read in that the girl thinks you are very old and frail.

Hi,

Anyone knows where we could get a good massage with happy ending and then wash in BKK?

I used to go to this massage place for Korean, where the girls were very pretty, would give a very good massage and nice happy ending. After this, I would be thoroughly scrubbed with salt and washed with water.

I don't remember the name but seems it doesn't exist anymore.

Any recommendation?

[QUOTE=GHaribo;2148702]I used to go to this massage place for Korean, where the girls were very pretty, would give a very good massage and nice happy ending. After this, I would be thoroughly scrubbed with salt and washed with water.

I don't remember the name but seems it doesn't exist anymore?[/QUOTE]Those please are called Akasuri, the most popular one in Bangkok being Sazanka, which first moved from Soi 22 to.

Thonglor and more recently deep into Soi 16 with upgraded facilities. That new place could easily be a spa (whereas the former ones always felt a bit rundown). Google for Sazanka or Akasuri.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2148371]Same type, LOL? You mean young ugly girls but cheap? Perhaps not. However that is why Catherine was never a hit with me.
[/QUOTE]How many times did you go there? And when was the last time? It seems you have no idea what you're talking about. There were young pretty girls there but you had to ask to see the models.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2148756]Those please are called Akasuri, the most popular one in Bangkok being Sazanka, which first moved from Soi 22 to.

Thonglor and more recently deep into Soi 16 with upgraded facilities. That new place could easily be a spa (whereas the former ones always felt a bit rundown). Google for Sazanka or Akasuri.[/QUOTE]Yes! That's the one. Thank you for the info!

For a Tuesday, Huai Kwang was buzzing. Emannuelle had about 20, many very appealing, but prices ranged 2,900 to 7000! Paeng mark (very expensive). Merci had 10 and some of interest, but the tout wouldn't leave me alone and kept banging on about how I must trust him and choose the one he wanted me to- I walked out. Alaina has progressed- impressive lineup of about 20, several very attractive (to me). Chose Min VL34, a very small, very cute, pale skinned (Chiang Mai) young looking girl with braces. She was actually probably late 20's, but she was as cute and playful as she looked. Very little English, but I have enough Thai.

Bath was fine, (covered) BJ capable. She was a bit farang cock scared but after reassurance was fine in every position. Damage? 3,500. Yeah, I know, but even a semblance of genuine cute is paeng mark, and she was (or seemed) sincere: the fun and play didn't stop after the load was blown, nor even in the lift to the walk of shame.

WIR? To Alaina definitely, to Min, see how flush I feel next time.

Annie's closed for sanitation infractions. Really S. You have this on good authority.

Shame about the farang surcharge at Alaina. Good report though.

After reviewing some threads here I picked up loads of good info so I thought I'd share my recent visit. I was only there for one night but tried to maximise my experiences. This is part 1.

From the various reviews I was drawn to Mitu massage Soi 33/4. Yes a bit pricier but given I didn't really have enough time to experience any duds I was drawn to a safe bet. Wasn't sure what time I could get there so decided not to book and just roll up. Easy enough to find, down Soi 33 and 4th on right is a non-eventful little lane with not much there but you can see the discrete sign on the right.

In I went, a Japanese youngish guy on reception. As reported he speaks good English and he showed me the iPad with available girls. It seems like they were busy and only two available. He showed me the pics on the website which wasn't very helpful without faces revealed. As I was looking a girl came to reception and started helping. I asked for clearer pics and she showed me some pics with faces. Made my choice much easier. Both girls would not have been my first choice, I went with Kasuki who was a 4*. I opted for the Nuru massage, having seen enough porn involving it I was curious. Price was about 3,5 k baht I don't really remember.

I was asked to wait a short time and given an energy drink. After about 5 minutes I was introduced to Kasuki who was friendly if a little shy. I was led up various stairs to the room. There was a bed and a large shower area. The room wasn't well lit. I was left waiting for quite a while whilst various preparations were seen to. Then undressed, a little slowly and without any erotic elements, and led to the shower. She also undressed and had a good body but was devoid of any tits. She was totally flat chested, not normally my choice and given it was a nuru was a bit of a disappointment. Thoroughly washed all over. That was nice, a bit sexy but there was no other shower action. Given this was my first time I thought I'd let the girl take the lead. There was no kissing or BJ action.

After the shower she dried me and then I assumed we were proceeding to the bed. But when I left the shower I was asked to wait a moment while she prepared. I assumed she was going to dry and lube up or something but then, after a couple of minutes, I head this strange squelching noise and looked over the shower screen. She's got an inflatable mattress out (I hadn't seen it propped up against the wall) and was sloshing the nuru stuff over it. Ahah! This is what I came for. My hopes had started to dwindle as she was a bit shy and not that forthcoming, although I would say nice and friendly throughout. But the sight of the silver mattress I'd seen so many times before gave me new hope. I tried engaging her more and joking with her but it was hard with limited English. She did loosen up a bit. She told me her real name was Helen or something and the Boss calls here Kasuki for obvious reasons.

After a bit too long (tbh) I was invited to lay down on the mattress. That's when things got good. As she poured on the nuru gel I had a big realisation. As I mentioned I've watched a fair few nuru porn movies but never realised the gel is warm. Really warm. And it felt really good. The massage proceeded and body slide soon after. Fuck me, I like nuru! I wasn't that into the girl but still she was really turning me on. I can imagine how much better it would be if she had any tits. And as for big tits, well that will be a pre-requisite for my next nuru experience.

She's grinding me all over, rubbing her (not overly) hairy pussy up and down my legs. This went on for a while, and was good because I was enjoying the slower build up. Then the tongue came out. Licking my back and down towards my ass. Her fingers were getting involved and sliding under and stoking my now hard cock. I think she rimmed me but it was light and may have been a fake with her fingers. This was a bit disappointing as I'm a fan of a rimjob. See part 2 for a better experience on that front.

I flip over and the grinding continues. It feels amazing and takes a decent amount of control for me not to forget where I am and just slip my cock inside her. I need to take it up a level so I ask for a BJ. A bit of confusion follows as she says something about a condom. I think about whether I want to fuck her but I just want a BJ at this stage. So she goes down on me. Slowly licking the shaft and then sucking the top. She takes me about half way down but no further. (I'm 8 inches). No DT action. But the blowjob is good. She is quite sexy in her delivery if a little shy. I'm getting close so I need to fuck her. I know all this build up means I'm not going to last. So on with the condom and she climbs on top. Again, not fully in but it feels good. She rides me for a bit and it's nice. I'm thinking whether I want to CIM or COF or just finish inside her. She then moves slightly and the new position feels much better, her pussy is gripping my cock and she's riding me faster. Decision made. I last about 3 minutes in that position! A good orgasm and a rare finish for me inside a WL.

Overall it was a good fuck but neither very PSE nor GFE. She never kissed me once. Sounds like it would be mechanical but it wasn't really except for the waiting around parts. I put it down to her shyness and perhaps my noobiness.

I will definitely go back to Mitu and have nuru again, as I said next time with a bigger breasted girl.

In 2015 the alley next to villa market, ambassador, was an interesting place with rather interesting massage places. They did that old "cheap ass massage" to get you hard and upsell the extras. With the difference of when you are done, you leave. No matter you pay 60 min and unloads after 20. It was a release but lackluster.

Is that area still that shitty or is it more decent p4 p massage scene as the Soi23,24 versions?

[QUOTE=DivineBaal;2149915]In 2015 the alley next to villa market, ambassador, was an interesting place with rather interesting massage places. They did that old "cheap ass massage" to get you hard and upsell the extras. With the difference of when you are done, you leave. No matter you pay 60 min and unloads after 20. It was a release but lackluster.

Is that area still that shitty or is it more decent p4 p massage scene as the Soi23,24 versions?[/QUOTE]All of the massage shops that were in the Villa Market arcade and in the alley between Soi 11 and Soi 13 have been closed since at least the second week of January. Some have relocated in the alley off Soi 3 just past Nana Square.

After my early evening experience at Mitu massage (see part 1) I grabbed some food before heading to Nana plaza. I wasn't ready for another session right away so wanted to check out NEP which I hadn't been to before and see if anything warmed me up. I've been to Soi Cowboy before and had heard Nana was a more full on experience and was interested to see that. I did wander past soi cowboy but it was early (8 pm) so was not really firing yet. I popped into Crazy House as it's been crazy busy when I went before. It was about half full. I took in some of the pussy but didn't stay as it was too early for me for a full on experience.

I entered Nana around 9-10 pm and took a wander around to get my bearings. I stopped at various places that had some action going on inside. I don't remember all the places I stopped, sorry if names are wrong / vague. First stop was Bangkok Bunnies. A large place with several dance areas. It was half full so plenty of space. I was shown to a seat and approached quickly by a friendly girl speaking decent English so I bought her a LD for a bit of company whilst I sized up the place. She was cute but a bit too much a nice girl for me. I chatted with her for a while and then a younger spinner, friend of hers, came up. She was hot. Tight body, good looking face and wearing glasses. Her name was numb-something. They have crazy names. I was going to say made up names but when I didn't really understand when she told me she stood up, turned around and bent over. When I'd stopped looking at her ass I saw she had a massive tattoo with the numb-luck? Name across her lower back. So I guess that although the name is obviously made up it's permanent!

Anyway I was getting on well with these two and considering taking the fit one or even both but given this was only my first stop I decided to put the hot one on ice for a possible return later. She was a bit disappointed and made me think I may be making a mistake (good service implied). So on I went. I popped into a couple more places (names unknown) and was buying a beer in each. I don't drink a huge amount so was getting nicely drunk. I bought a few drinks along the way and had a bit of a play with a few nice girls but none were tipping me over. At one point I made a noobie error and ended up in a not-so-obvious ladyboy place. I bought a drink for one of the girls and whilst chatting (and her stroking my cock) she realised I didn't know what was what and let me know. I much more appreciated this than the usual deception that happens. I've ended up in my room with one previously and had to ask her to leave when I took her top off and she had zero tits. She claimed to be Chinese (she wasn't) and I never saw her cock but I could tell. Anyway, I digress. One tip though is if you're not quite sure, they probably are! Also labyboys are generally more forward, pulling out their tits, grabbing your cock etc.

I had a mental note to visit Billboards. It's been well reviewed plus when I left Bunnies the hot girl said I won't come back if I go to Billboards. That was a good advert for me! I was pretty drunk by then and don't remember much. There were a few nice girls but I found myself comparing to the first hot girl I'd met and gradually realised that really I wanted her. So back I headed to Bunnies. I saw the first nice girl and asked her if her friend was around. She went to get her. I was feeling like I'd made the right decision. Alas, and maybe some of you saw this coming, she came back with the news that she'd been bar fined. The friendly girl was cool and nice about it and I was tempted to sympathy fuck her (mine and her sympathy!) but I wanted to save myself for more experienced. I still had a few hours in BKK.

I thought I'd head to the clubs. I like the club FL scene and tend to prefer that to gogos. But I wasn't dressed up and I had planned to take a look and see if it would be worth popping back to my hotel (soi 11) to change. Unfortunately I couldn't really get a sense of how busy or not the various clubs were. So I was heading home. It was about 2 am. I was checking out for any decent street FLs but there weren't any decent looking ones. I was then approached by an older massage lady. Maybe mid 30's. She was OK looking and I had a sense she would give good service. I was thinking about a BJ nightcap. I assumed she was a street FL and discussed getting a blowjob. She said she had a room. It turned out to be a massage place. It was off soi 11 somewhere, maybe harmony massage? It was in a car park or something, not far from insanity, it was hardly a spa! I assumed it would be empty but was surprised there were a few (ladies) getting foot massages. It was 2 am Wednesday morning wtf? Anyway she shows me to a small room. It has a shower (good sign) and bed. The lady then explains she can't do massage but has a girl to do it. Uh oh. This is not boding well. Whilst she's gone I decide this is my chance to practice walking away which I'm pretty weak at. Usually I think fuck it I'll just do her anyway (lazy). So I'm all ready to walk as this wasn't what I signed up for. Then she brings a girl. She wasn't a stunner but was probably better looking than the original girl, around 32, petite and friendly, smiling. I presumed this was someone she brought in to provide my requested services.

So the massage starts. I like these situations. The unknown of what's going to happen. I remember a few years back in Hong Kong I went in some random massage place that I had a feel provided extra services. They didn't really speak English and so the intro / negotiation kinda failed and I was led into some shower area and given slippers etc. The massage was delivered by a nice girl and was sexy as hell as I didn't know what was going to happen, whether it would end up in a fuck or just a HJ. (It was somewhere between HJ and FS but no BJ). So back to my car park massage, and she's giving me a normal oil massage. I had kept my underwear on. I like to do this in unknown situations. She had suggested I remove them, which was clearly a good sign. Remember here I'd had the discussion with the original massage girl about the BJ, I wasn't sure that she'd relayed it to girl 2. Over she flipped me. I made sure my cock lay to the side, across my leg so she'd have to touch it! She bumped into it and giggled and apologized. OK, so it was on. I told her I wanted a BJ and agreed to 1000 (plus 400 for massage).

She's stroking my cock and it's all going well and then she produces a condom. I say no need thanks but she says safe sex. I say fair enough but I'm not into covered BJs so downgrade to a HJ for 500. I have a bit of a feel up of her, she's still clothed and access isn't easy but she's not stopping me. She offers to take off her clothes, I'm not sure whether that's going to cost more and don't want to go back to discussing money plus I'm getting close anyway so not really worth it. So I finish, keeping quiet given there's about 5 ladies within a few feet of me. She cleans me up in the shower. The girl is nice to me, she likes my cock and wants me to fuck her and I'm thinking I need some sleep. I have a few hours left in Bangkok and I'm thinking about a return to Mitu or possibly snow white before flying out. See part 3.

Continued. . .

I wake up mid morning and ready for some action. I have a few hours left in Bangkok and I'm thinking about a return to Mitu. But I have a plan this trip and it's to get various experiences, so I'm thinking I'm going to take a look around Soi 26 and check out the line up at snow white with a view to walking if nothing takes my fancy and going back to Mitu. So around that area I walk down the Soi with all the massage places. Candy, mango etc. I check out any of the girls sitting outside to see if anything takes my fancy. Nothing special so I keep walking. I find snow white. After all the reviews here I've read this place seems kinda famous so it was surprisingly nondescript when I arrived. There were about 5 girls in the line up. No lookers but a couple that were passable. I asked for Candy but she was busy. I went for one who I think she said she was Shelly but I couldn't see her on their website. She looks most like Guitar, maybe it was her. I pay? 2200 for the session (1500 plus 700 I think). I went for nuru massage but never really got that.

She led me up some stairs, pointing out the various places you'll bang your head along the way. I can tell she is service orientated, this is what I came for. She's nice, and clothed she looks like she has a decent body. We get to the room which is a bit better decorated than I expected, has a shower and massage table / bed in it. She undresses me and then herself. The body is revealed and is a disappointment. Small tits that were a bit saggy and a fair amount of baby damage. Oh well, I wasn't here for a stunner, I was her for a PSE style service, I've not had that before in a massage place.

She's washing me thoroughly in the shower and my ass crack is getting a decent amount of attention. This was a good sign as I was after a good rimjob more than anything else. Some kissing and feel in the shower. I'm finger fucking her and she's showing she's up for it. I get the feeling she's up for anything, which is what I wanted. I'm a bit tired of navigating the various rules / boundaries that different girls or establishments have. I also hate having to go back to negotiate extras mid way through and don't really want to do that all up front as I'm not sure where I want to go with a session until I'm in it.

She gives me a blowjob in the shower. She DT me and maintains eye contact throughout. I tell her at this point I'm going to (later) finish on her face and she nods in approval. I'm liking this girl's willingness. Out of the shower and she dries me off. I've decided by this point I'm not interested in fucking her, her body wasn't doing anything for me and when I was fingering her she didn't feel tight at all. So I was wanting a blowjob and rimjob.

I lay down on the table and she starts licking my cock. I get hard and she's deep throat me, all the time maintaining eye contact. She's playing with my balls and touching around my ass whilst she sucks. Then she starts heading down. She licks my balls and takes them in her mouth one at a time. Then further down and licking around my ass crack. I lift a leg to give her better access and she lunges in. The tonguing action is hard and feels great. Probably the harding rimming I've had and I've had a few. I flip over to go on all fours. She says "Good" and dives in. Her tongue is deep in my ass and she's stroking my cock underneath. It feels amazing. I try to enjoy it for as long as I could, don't know how long, around 5-10 minutes. I'm getting close and I want to cum on her face. I've never done that before, I'm more a CIM guy. So when I'm close I get her to kneel on the floor. She sucks me a bit like that and then I take control and shoot my load over her face. I was pleased that it was a decent load after quite a bit of action over the previous week and managed to hit the target! I got some in her hair but even that didn't bother her.

She cleaned me up and I knew I was done. I was about 35-40 minutes into the session. After the shower I started to dress and she started explaining in not so good English I could get shot 2 and then shot 3. She really was the good provider. But I was done. I had just about enough time to get a legit massage before heading to the airport and I wanted to do that.

Overall, I had a good short time in BKK. I will be back. I learnt a bit and enjoying trying out new experiences. I will go back to Mitu for sure and possibly snow white if I want that PSE experience at the cost of a less attractive girl.

Anyone knows if Eden Club (Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 near BTS Nana Station) is still open? Their website has been off air lately. Just wondering if they are still in business.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2149385]Annie's closed for sanitation infractions. Really S. You have this on good authority.[/QUOTE]It is quite a sensible theory, being a realist (somewhat pessimist). Have you got a better theory? The whole place should have been renovated many years ago. Note that Chrome and Wood with a higher standard having been renovated to some level have not been closed. Was there any immediate re-development plan for Annie's site? I don't think so. Did the authorities visit and inspect? Yes! I did not hear of any illegal girls being caught, however that could be an alternate theory but likely to lead to much deeper trouble and really big news like what we saw in the past with Nataree. So what makes the most sense? Even though Annies premises rent may have been costly, they were never moving out unless forced. Too good a customer base to risk it. Transition will be tough for some girls used to making a lot of money per month with many regulars.

Most times a place is going to be inspected, the owners know in advance, but that is not enough time to solve health standard problems. Only easy problems can be rectified in a hurry such as certain people become scarce. Several times I have been in a bar and told they were preparing for inspection coming shortly that evening. Lao Yaa Dong (special leg opening herbal drink for the girls) was hidden away. Some girls maybe left the place if had no valid Id with them that day. Girls put some knickers on. Ha ha.

Personally I hated the Annie's rooms and would be much happier to visit Chrome or Wood, given some appealing girls. I can ignore the management completely. I have heard they a few nice slim girls these days, but have not really checked out the line up.

Maybe not all my views are completely original thoughts. LOL I have discussed with others considered to be worthwhile.

[QUOTE=*****man;2148819]How many times did you go there? And when was the last time? It seems you have no idea what you're talking about. There were young pretty girls there but you had to ask to see the models.[/QUOTE]Fair point. I did not attend more than twice and long ago. I would have asked to see the best looking girls available for sure. Hard to remember all the specific details exactly after a few years. I don't remember if last visit was 2, 3 years ago or more. My impression was the small number of good lookers were pre booked and not available at the time. Persistence and correct time of arrival could be critical. I am willing to give it another look some day. Bear in mind that I struggled to like many girls even at The Lord. I have seen lots of models at several Soapies. Mostly they disappoint me for face looks, surgeries, or for performance. Good body is not enough for me. It is not easy to find top soapy girls, for me these days. My success rates are poor. 15 to 20 years ago I did much better. Is it just me that changed? Perhaps not. The girl attitudes changed too.

Catherine is not the most convenient location for me to get too. A lot of traffic jams in Rama 9 which means motorcycle becomes necessary. I am quite certain that Catherine had a lot of very plain faced girls to my taste. Just how many pretty girls is not clear to me, due to the lack of experience there. Pretty normal at Soapies, however Amsterdam had more better looking girls for me, as did La Defense just nearby to Catherine. Did not mean I could avoid dick scared girls though. I also spent time sitting at Nancy watching girls come and go, due to good prices, but again the majority of the line up was not impressive enough to make me keep coming back.

If anyone claims that Catherine was full of cheap very pretty girls, they would be a severe optimist, at the times I visited. I know some guys will fuck anything with an acceptable body, or maybe even fatties. I have to find the face appealing unfortunately.

If I find any really great girl, that will keep pulling me back to soapies, but if that does not happen, I don't bother to keep returning. Not all of us have the time for massive amounts of research any more. My life in Thailand is no longer dominated by monger activities, so up to date knowledge dwindles.

True I don't know why Annie's closed and it seems S. Neither do you. If it's true as you say they were making money sure it could relate to sanitation issues. Problem with this scenario is why close for good, simply sort out the plumbing.

Citing that Chrome and the Wood didn't have to close is irrelevant, Nataree and Victoria's not withstanding neither which were closed for sanitation reasons which other venue across town has been shut down for sanitation reasons?

I feel S. Your assumption that had a regular customer base may not reflect the reality of the decline there in recent years for the reasons often mentioned on this forum.

Recent posts for the Soi 7/1 shops have been at best mixed. Really don't understand why management cannot copy the model of the successful shops on 24, 26 and 33. Perhaps you have an opinion on this.

I am wondering what would going rate for having an hour long, 1 shot threesome at some of the well known parlours like Snow white, mango, all stars etc? Don't really need girls to be lesbo but enthusiastic orgy is a must. Any recommendations for any pairs and Is there any possibility to get some discounts before noon or late in the night after 10 PM?

I also have one more question. Which venues offer best chance to hear and enjoy going-ONS in neighboring cubicles? I have fond memories of banging girls in SW and 2/3 other similar places where one could hear the "boom boom" next door. Sometimes it acts as a fantastic mood enhancer.

Thanks in advance.

As I am new to mongering, I decided that I would like to try out different places and see how they differ.

After an amazing experience at Snow White (which really made me want to screw trying different places and simply return there) I decided to try out Orient Massage a couple of weeks ago. There were some girls sitting outside, where I had to make my choice and go upstairs. After talking to them a bit, and describing that I want more than one shot, I went up with Tan. Paid for an hour and a half and headed upstairs.

Rooms are a bit smaller with the shower in the corner. The girl (Tan) was a bit mechanical, and I tried talking a bit to lighten the mood, but was unsuccessful. I didn't even try kissing her because her breath stank before we even began anything. Later on, this would make a difference as during missionary, her breath was a bit foul, and I couldn't continue in that position and had to ask her to flip over. Also, she would constantly ask to change positions which was a bit strange because I would be getting into the mood of things and suddenly she would stop.

After my first shot, she started saying that she would give me another go, if I left the moment I came, no matter how much time I had left. I was a bit disappointed because I would not get the full amount of time I paid for (I understand they don't want to give more than 2 shots, but I would have liked to relax for a bit), but didn't bother arguing much because that would simply make it even worse. By the end of it, I wasn't even in the mood, and settled for a BJ and HJ to quickly scram out of there.

Will not be visiting Orient Massage again.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2150141]True I don't know why Annie's closed and it seems S. Neither do you. If it's true as you say they were making money sure it could relate to sanitation issues. Problem with this scenario is why close for good, simply sort out the plumbing.
[/QUOTE]I don't know if the venue is easily fixable, since they did not own it I believe.

[QUOTE]
Citing that Chrome and the Wood didn't have to close is irrelevant[/QUOTE]Of course it is relevant to the reason for shut down.

[QUOTE]Nataree and Victoria's not withstanding neither which were closed for sanitation reasons which other venue across town has been shut down for sanitation reasons?[/QUOTE]We know that Nataree was shut down for other reasons. Victoria I know nothing at all. I don't know if any other venues are bad enough that they were already shut down or will be. I thought we were talking about Annies specifically.

I expect the current administration will find any excuse they see fit to shut down certain places. There are several possible reasons to force a closure.

[QUOTE]
I feel S. Your assumption that had a regular customer base may not reflect the reality of the decline there in recent years for the reasons often mentioned on this forum.

Recent posts for the Soi 7/1 shops have been at best mixed. Really don't understand why management cannot copy the model of the successful shops on 24, 26 and 33. Perhaps you have an opinion on this.[/QUOTE]You seem confirm the idea that Chrome might have had significantly less customers than Annies. I go by own observations of numbers of customers turning up at times I went there. Annies was the busiest in my experience. Yes I have not attended in very recent times.

The busiest MP shop I attended on Suk (Most customers reviewing the girls at the time) was probably Addict, yet that was only marginal over several guys showing up at Annies at one time. I don't attend often enough to do definitive surveys. I just give my impressions. I don't know much about many places, however even Mitu was not busy at time I happened to go there. The customer are obviously very dependent on what time one shows up.

There is little doubt to me that The Lord was a lot busier than Annies. LOL.

As you would know, I always considered Annies to be a hybrid between Oily and Soapy models. What things about Oilies on 24,26, and 33 are worth copying I would not know, and don't really try to think about. I don't have any favourite MP. I tend to find favourite girls at times, in spite of the shop itself.

The priority to fix up Annies in my opinion, would have been firstly to improve the rooms, or move to a premises with less cost overheads, and get more pretty girls (this one applies to any shop). I am sure the owners focus would be on profitability which is different, employing girls willing to work for a lower cut.

I do challenge you to put forward your own counter theory, as to what is the likely reason for closure, that fits all the information available to us, which I admit is definitely very limited. My theory was not totally my own supposition, but I never claimed to know anything for certain. Just propose what makes logical sense.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2150033]Anyone knows if Eden Club (Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 near BTS Nana Station) is still open? Their website has been off air lately. Just wondering if they are still in business.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. A lot of changes happening on this Soi "Siap Dtuut".

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2150539]
I do challenge you to put forward your own counter theory, as to what is the likely reason for closure, that fits all the information available to us, which I admit is definitely very limited. My theory was not totally my own supposition, but I never claimed to know anything for certain. Just propose what makes logical sense.[/QUOTE]I'm no political expert on Thailand, but applying some basic logic and it's easy enough to work out the reason for the decline. Economic development and progress is the major threat to the sex industry, not just in Thailand, but also in the Philippines, Vietnam and Cambodia.

1. Thailand has 0% unemployment and there is a major shortage of labor. Wages are on the rise. The average gogo dancer makes about THB 25,000 a month and a good non-barfining coyote makes THB 30,000 + a month. Compare this to the salary of even a junior OL who makes about THB 70,000 and you can understand that girls don't need to be sex workers. There are better jobs around paying the same or more (even for someone without a college degree), so bars struggle to find girls.

2. Land values. Rising real estate values in BKK make it unaffordable for tenants (who operate bars and massage parlours) to keep paying steep rents. Owners are better off redeveloping their sites for other commercial / retail / residential purposes. I would think that in 10 years' time, the bars in Patpong, Nana and Cowboy would be in danger because the land is too valuable. Better yields are available for high-rise developments. The same goes for P. Burgos Street in the middle of Makati, Manila.

3. Thailand is keen to rid itself of its reputation for vice and as a destination for sex tourism. The sex industry catering for foreigners makes up a tiny portion of Thailand's economy, so if it were to be phased out, it would not impact on its GDP in any way. I'm speculating here, but some of the foreign aid which Thailand receives from left-leaning, do-gooder nations (like Sweden, Norway and Canada) might be conditional on the country showing progress in cleaning up the sex trade. There is an unfortunate misconception in the west that bar girls in Thailand are still forced to work against their will and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] sex is common. There are powerful feminists groups in the west which would like to see their demise.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2150478]I am wondering what would going rate for having an hour long, 1 shot threesome at some of the well known parlours like Snow white, mango, all stars etc? Don't really need girls to be lesbo but enthusiastic orgy is a must. Any recommendations for any pairs and Is there any possibility to get some discounts before noon or late in the night after 10 PM?

I also have one more question. Which venues offer best chance to hear and enjoy going-ONS in neighboring cubicles? I have fond memories of banging girls in SW and 2/3 other similar places where one could hear the "boom boom" next door. Sometimes it acts as a fantastic mood enhancer.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I've had a few 3 somes in Mango, SW etc. In fact I think I took 4 girls one time in Mango.

The problem with 3 or moresomes is the messing about changing condoms all the time. I don't think I'll bother with 3 somes any more.

Hi guys,

Don't know if this is the right place to ask this.

I'll be visiting Bangkok for 4 days starting from March 28th. Any advice on how find girls to have some fun. If I'm not mistaken Zip code given to me where I stay is 10400.

Traveling with a friend (male). Would like to know if it's possible to have threesome or take out 2 girls.

What are the costs involved?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=JasonX33;2150939]Hi guys,

Don't know if this is the right place to ask this.

I'll be visiting Bangkok for 4 days starting from March 28th. Any advice on how find girls to have some fun. If I'm not mistaken Zip code given to me where I stay is 10400.

Traveling with a friend (male). Would like to know if it's possible to have threesome or take out 2 girls.

What are the costs involved?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]You can find this zip code on Google Maps easily enough showing Phaya Thai, Din Daeng and Ratchathewi. There are a hell of a lot of massage shops in this area especially the Ratchada Soapy massage joints. Yes you can take 2 or more girls in a Soapy MP. Does mean you will get any interaction between girls or have a great time. I never did it in Soapy MPs, or was not good enough to put in memory banks.

Many of us would suggest there are better places to select two girls, where good girl interaction is possible. Some suggest Eden on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. I used to suggest getting girls from the Lesbian show at Suzie Wong on Soi Cowboy, and found it fun enough to repeat many times (when I was younger stronger and could tolerate condom changes LOL). I can't currently recommend this bar after a take over.

I do intend to get a threesome again soon. I have two Shark girls in mind who used to work at Suzie W and know each other very well indeed. I have already got kisses from both concurrently, like 3 tongues together. They will know what to do and not be too shy hopefully. Actually one of the 2, previously went with me in a multi girl takeout. Having threesomes from a bar is expensive since you have to pay the BF for both girls and pay a ST session fee to each. Probably one reason I hardly do it any more is the cost. Minimum of 6000 Baht and possibly more spent including ST Hotel and drinks. I know Natty takes 2 girls from Crazy House and from other venues. I hope he does not mind me saying so since I am sure was revealed before.

Eden cost for 2 girls is probably lower, but I found sessions there to be very fake, obvious acting, and girls putting on strap-ONS did nothing for me. Too scripted. I like to make non-scripted stuff.

It's possible to be a really great time, and possible to be disappointing. You have to get girls that like each other, are not shy, and have experience already doing this type of thing. Newbie shy girls is not going to work. Girls need to think of it as a sex party to have fun and enjoy while they all make money.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2150554]I'm no political expert on Thailand, but applying some basic logic and it's easy enough to work out the reason for the decline. [/QUOTE]Decline of what exactly? We were talking about a specific reason to have been closed down (the busiest shop of 3), not so much general decline of the Sex Industry (which I don't contest at all).

It's not clear to me if you are trying to say the place had not enough customers. It is very unlikely to fit in this case.

A few places still manage to do good business where most places struggle to have enough customers.

I've read some recent bad posts about this place so YMMV but I just had a fine experience at Poseidon. Was quoted 3100 for girl on the right and 3500 for girl on the left. (I'm American.). There were maybe 15 girls on the right and 2 on the left. The ones on the left were on the left because they had big boobs I think.

I checked out Floor 3 but just as I arrived a group of literally 10 Japanese guys came and scooped all but one up. Agree that there's nothing super special about them to merit high high prices.

Mamasan said that the one who was smiling the most just got there. She was hot, good enough for me. Paid 3100 and off. Standard rooms are okay but nothing to write home about. She delivered good BBBJ without asking and was very accommodating and nice. I'd definitely come here again.

Again, YMMV and I am sure there are cheaper options of similar or better quality.

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[QUOTE=Ajlon;2150531]
After my first shot, she started saying that she would give me another go, if I left the moment I came, no matter how much time I had left. I was a bit disappointed because I would not get the full amount of time I paid for (I understand they don't want to give more than 2 shots, but I would have liked to relax for a bit), but didn't bother arguing much because that would simply make it even worse. By the end of it, I wasn't even in the mood, and settled for a BJ and HJ to quickly scram out of there.

Will not be visiting Orient Massage again.[/QUOTE]I don't go to there anymore because they lie about not having babies and try to finish the session before the time is up.

First thing is she's considerably less attractive in real life than in the photos on the website but she's reasonably good looking although showing her age a bit. Her pussy has been described as perfect but to me it was just a normal one with lips that are a bit too big for my tastes. She has a big arse which is nice for a change compared to most Thai girls, but the legs are a bit stocky so don't expect the full Brazilian bubble butt look.

Goatscrot has commented that she can't keep focussed for long on any one thing but this is a total understatement. She can't keep focused on anything at all for more than a few seconds. She's really scatterbrained, doing things like talking to herself in the mirror, fidgeting and changing positions every few seconds. I found it all quite off-putting. She's not A+ but did let me put a finger up there, which was the main positive. Her blow job skills are not good and she gave up after a few seconds so I had to tell her to continue.

If she just behaved reasonably normally I would repeat but couldn't tolerate her personality quirks again so won't.

[QUOTE=*****man;2151220]First thing is she's considerably less attractive in real life than in the photos on the website but she's reasonably good looking although showing her age a bit. Her pussy has been described as perfect but to me it was just a normal one with lips that are a bit too big for my tastes. She has a big arse which is nice for a change compared to most Thai girls, but the legs are a bit stocky so don't expect the full Brazilian bubble butt look.

Goatscrot has commented that she can't keep focussed for long on any one thing but this is a total understatement. She can't keep focused on anything at all for more than a few seconds. She's really scatterbrained, doing things like talking to herself in the mirror, fidgeting and changing positions every few seconds. I found it all quite off-putting. She's not A+ but did let me put a finger up there, which was the main positive. Her blow job skills are not good and she gave up after a few seconds so I had to tell her to continue.

If she just behaved reasonably normally I would repeat but couldn't tolerate her personality quirks again so won't.[/QUOTE]It's getting ridiculously hard to find good looking gals without kids who provide PSE service. It's a unicorn.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2151092]You can find this zip code on Google Maps easily enough showing Phaya Thai, Din Daeng and Ratchathewi. There are a hell of a lot of massage shops in this area especially the Ratchada Soapy massage joints. Yes you can take 2 or more girls in a Soapy MP. Does mean you will get any interaction between girls or have a great time. I never did it in Soapy MPs, or was not good enough to put in memory banks.

Many of us would suggest there are better places to select two girls, where good girl interaction is possible. Some suggest Eden on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. I used to suggest getting girls from the Lesbian show at Suzie Wong on Soi Cowboy, and found it fun enough to repeat many times (when I was younger stronger and could tolerate condom changes LOL). I can't currently recommend this bar after a take over.

I do intend to get a threesome again soon. I have two Shark girls in mind who used to work at Suzie W and know each other very well indeed. I have already got kisses from both concurrently, like 3 tongues together. They will know what to do and not be too shy hopefully. Actually one of the 2, previously went with me in a multi girl takeout. Having threesomes from a bar is expensive since you have to pay the BF for both girls and pay a ST session fee to each. Probably one reason I hardly do it any more is the cost. Minimum of 6000 Baht and possibly more spent including ST Hotel and drinks. I know Natty takes 2 girls from Crazy House and from other venues. I hope he does not mind me saying so since I am sure was revealed before..[/QUOTE]Thank you for this fine report.

[QUOTE=*****man;2151220]..... fidgeting and changing positions every few seconds. I found it all quite off-putting......[/QUOTE]No way I could nut in FS with a girl like that. In p4p I like to be the one to decide when to change positions and what position is to be assumed. CIM for her.

[QUOTE=Engine Driver;2150554.

(2. Land values. Rising real estate values in BKK make it unaffordable for tenants (who operate bars and massage parlours) to keep paying steep rents. Owners are better off redeveloping their sites for other commercial / retail / residential purposes. I would think that in 10 years' time, the bars in Patpong, Nana and Cowboy would be in danger because the land is too valuable. Better yields are available for high-rise developments. The same goes for P. Burgos Street in the middle of Makati, Manila.).

Nana Plaza is currently being developed. A new roof is being installed, at great cost, to cover the whole Plaza. It would appear that the owners consider there is a future for the bars despite some predicting their steady decline.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2151290]No way I could nut in FS with a girl like that. In p4p I like to be the one to decide when to change positions and what position is to be assumed. CIM for her.[/QUOTE]She constantly changes what she does during a BBBJ, so CIM is impossible.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2151290]No way I could nut in FS with a girl like that. In p4p I like to be the one to decide when to change positions and what position is to be assumed. CIM for her.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Amusing stuff. If girl cannot relax and get consistent, I could cancel session pretty quick. It's enough for me to cope with really wild passionate energetic fuckers whose pace is greater than mine, let alone girls that change every few seconds. Have met crap girls whose BJ lasted only a few seconds before switching to pathetic shaft licking or similar. May have been so scared I would CIM, when in reality I take so long to cum and she would get warning, or perhaps they not experienced and have jaw lock. LOL.

Ditto I am mostly deciding positions if girl can cope.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;2151297]
Nana Plaza is currently being developed. A new roof is being installed, at great cost, to cover the whole Plaza. It would appear that the owners consider there is a future for the bars despite some predicting their steady decline.[/QUOTE]Most newly opened bars in Nana have failed pretty quickly. The big competition really is to have enough pretty girls. This seems to make bars hire a lot of Coyotes from the Agency. Not clear to me why there are a lot of Ladyboy bars too. The bar scene does not look promising.

Some bars have managed to improve their line up of girls. Some their bars I would still have a look, however did not take a girl for several months. Not easy to pick out the good girls. The best sign for me is lovey dovey girls that start kissing in the bar. Any stand offish attitude and they are likely to be crap. Same applies to Cowboy, where have only been taking my regular girls for some extended time (one of those is shy to kiss in public but I know her well enough). I had a great girl at Billboard for a while but she found a Farang BF very quickly, hardly surprising.

[QUOTE=*****man;2151216]I don't go to there anymore because they lie about not having babies and try to finish the session before the time is up.[/QUOTE]I only went to Orient for a relatively short time, when they one exceptionally pretty face girl (gone many months now AFAIK). She did have a baby and Caesar scar. Pussy was still tight. Had to try to ignore the scar and look at the face.

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2151112]I've read some recent bad posts about this place so YMMV but I just had a fine experience at Poseidon. Was quoted 3100 for girl on the right and 3500 for girl on the left. (I'm American.). There were maybe 15 girls on the right and 2 on the left. The ones on the left were on the left because they had big boobs I think.

I checked out Floor 3 but just as I arrived a group of literally 10 Japanese guys came and scooped all but one up. Agree that there's nothing super special about them to merit high high prices.

Mamasan said that the one who was smiling the most just got there. She was hot, good enough for me. Paid 3100 and off. Standard rooms are okay but nothing to write home about. She delivered good BBBJ without asking and was very accommodating and nice. I'd definitely come here again.

Again, YMMV and I am sure there are cheaper options of similar or better quality.[/QUOTE]It's mostly about getting lucky enough to find a girl that works for you. Disparaging comments about the place / girls in general from me and others may just keep guys' expectations in check.

One girl can make the difference between a great place and a crap place. LOL I used to go to Amsterdam regularly basically because I had found a tall pretty girl that was suited to me. Since she left, was never the same.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2151424]Most newly opened bars in Nana have failed pretty quickly. The big competition really is to have enough pretty girls. This seems to make bars hire a lot of Coyotes from the Agency. Not clear to me why there are a lot of Ladyboy bars too. The bar scene does not look promising.
.[/QUOTE]Ladyboy bars bring in more cash than normal bars. It flys under the radar. You'the be surprised how many bi-curious men are out there wanting to try, without getting discovered back home.

Owning a bar in an exotic location is the dream of many gullible farangs (like wanting to be a Playboy photographer). It's the quickest way to financial ruin. Without language skills, an understanding of local culture, insufficient political connections etc, Mr Farang gets fleeced. Can you imagine the internal drama when a third of your go go girl stable is on their period at a given time?

Haven't been to Bangkok in a few months. Is it true the The Lord Palace has shut down?

Which soap massage has the best looking girls now? I don't mind paying extra if the girl is beautiful and provides good service.

[QUOTE=*****man;2151220]First thing is she's considerably less attractive in real life than in the photos on the website but she's reasonably good looking although showing her age a bit. Her pussy has been described as perfect but to me it was just a normal one with lips that are a bit too big for my tastes. She has a big arse which is nice for a change compared to most Thai girls, but the legs are a bit stocky so don't expect the full Brazilian bubble butt look.

Goatscrot has commented that she can't keep focussed for long on any one thing but this is a total understatement. She can't keep focused on anything at all for more than a few seconds. She's really scatterbrained, doing things like talking to herself in the mirror, fidgeting and changing positions every few seconds. I found it all quite off-putting. She's not A+ but did let me put a finger up there, which was the main positive. Her blow job skills are not good and she gave up after a few seconds so I had to tell her to continue.

If she just behaved reasonably normally I would repeat but couldn't tolerate her personality quirks again so won't.[/QUOTE]I got up her ass as recently as New Years. Didn't last long though. During our session she only stuck to one thing for a long time and that was licking my ass. At least 20 minutes if I recall. She really seemed to enjoy that. Wouldn't pick her again either way.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2151496]I got up her ass as recently as New Years. Didn't last long though. During our session she only stuck to one thing for a long time and that was licking my ass. At least 20 minutes if I recall. She really seemed to enjoy that. Wouldn't pick her again either way.[/QUOTE]She did say to me right at the start that I couldn't fuck her backside but she did everything else.

There's one new girl at Snow White who is A+ and baby free but she's a fatty.

[QUOTE=*****man;2151640]

There's one new girl at Snow White who is A+ and baby free but she's a fatty.[/QUOTE]In that case she's invisible to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2151409]She constantly changes what she does during a BBBJ, so CIM is impossible.[/QUOTE]The only problem with a BBBJ is if the girl does not want to continue doing it, then its game over. However, there being no opportunity for CIFS, as long as my dick is in her mouth she can do what she wants, I will masturbate half of it while the tippy half is in her mouth and voila!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2151424]Most newly opened bars in Nana have failed pretty quickly. The big competition really is to have enough pretty girls. This seems to make bars hire a lot of Coyotes from the Agency. Not clear to me why there are a lot of Ladyboy bars too. The bar scene does not look promising.

Some bars have managed to improve their line up of girls. Some their bars I would still have a look, however did not take a girl for several months. Not easy to pick out the good girls. The best sign for me is lovey dovey girls that start kissing in the bar. Any stand offish attitude and they are likely to be crap. Same applies to Cowboy, where have only been taking my regular girls for some extended time (one of those is shy to kiss in public but I know her well enough). I had a great girl at Billboard for a while but she found a Farang BF very quickly, hardly surprising.[/QUOTE]I think a good way to succeed for a newly opened bar is to create some partnership with the ladies and share your profits with them, instead of just having them as your employees.

Because you don't have any business without the ladies. And you don't have much of a business, unless you have some of the best ladies working with you.

The ladies are the business. And they need to care about the business. Or else your business goes down the drain. That's why you need to have them as your business partners, rather than employees. And on these terms, you probably won't have any trouble attracting some of the best ladies in the business.

It's true that good-looking ladies find permanent guys and leave once in a while. But if your business has a really good reputation among the ladies, then the ladies, who leave, will probably tell their relatives and friends to come and take their place.

When you have a good reputation, then good people will come to you to work with you.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2152191]I think a good way to succeed for a newly opened bar is to create some partnership with the ladies and share your profits with them, instead of just having them as your employees.

Because you don't have any business without the ladies. And you don't have much of a business, unless you have some of the best ladies working with you.

The ladies are the business. And they need to care about the business. Or else your business goes down the drain. That's why you need to have them as your business partners, rather than employees. And on these terms, you probably won't have any trouble attracting some of the best ladies in the business.

It's true that good-looking ladies find permanent guys and leave once in a while. But if your business has a really good reputation among the ladies, then the ladies, who leave, will probably tell their relatives and friends to come and take their place.

When you have a good reputation, then good people will come to you to work with you.[/QUOTE]Try to cut out the agencies these days and you will find yourself in a world of trouble. You can't fight the system anywhere in Thailand. You have to go with the flow and work within it.

It is interesting to note that on one side of the road a Bangkok icon, Annies, closes, appearing to lacking investment. On the other side of the road Nana Plaza receives significant investment. I wonder if the authorities are involved in this, perhaps demanding improvement or closure as a way of restricting a certain kind of tourism.

[QUOTE=GHaribo;2148702]Hi,

Anyone knows where we could get a good massage with happy ending and then wash in BKK?

I used to go to this massage place for Korean, where the girls were very pretty, would give a very good massage and nice happy ending. After this, I would be thoroughly scrubbed with salt and washed with water.

I don't remember the name but seems it doesn't exist anymore.

Any recommendation?[/QUOTE]Had a good massage with happy ending at Cam Can lately [URL]http://www.cancam-massage.com[/URL].

Girls are younger / better looking than the average MP in the area, definatly not a PSE place though.

The fact 2/3 of the girls advertise no FS made me think this place could be good material for massage + happy ending in a japanese style.

The girl whom massaged me was called Alice nice face, great body although enhanced boobs (I prefer natural) very nice personality and good massage skills. This one offered FS as a happy ending which I declined as it was not what I had come here and she obliged with the requested HJ happy ending.

Price is paid upfront and regardless of what each girl provides as a service (their site is in japanese but easilly translated with Google translate).

Sukhumvit Soi 22 Honey Bee Massage and sister shops (Honey Bee Massage 2, Kiss Bangkok, Kiss Bangkok 2, Passion Massage, Absolute Massage) and competitors (Passion massage, Exotic Massage) etc. Is also on this segment but quality of the service is very unequal. Girls tend to prefer providing FS as they get better paid for it. Facilities are nice at Kiss Bangkok 2 (newly opened a month ago) in the VIP rooms.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;2152419]It is interesting to note that on one side of the road a Bangkok icon, Annies, closes, appearing to lacking investment. On the other side of the road Nana Plaza receives significant investment. I wonder if the authorities are involved in this, perhaps demanding improvement or closure as a way of restricting a certain kind of tourism.[/QUOTE]Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except TULIP and ANNIES!

Except Annies should be obvious and Nana Plaza not being a MP, I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring that point in this sub forum rather than the BKK Reports or Annies sub forums :)

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2152191]I think a good way to succeed for a newly opened bar is to create some partnership with the ladies and share your profits with them, instead of just having them as your employees.

<SNIP> That's why you need to have them as your business partners, rather than employees. And on these terms, you probably won't have any trouble attracting some of the best ladies in the business.

[/QUOTE]I was hoping your advice was just a joke, but then I saw you have over 900 posts, and most of them on the Thailand board.

Do you really think that a Westerner should go into business with an illiterate prostitute in a country he doesn't know much about? You've got to stop giving worthless advice like this.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2152257]Try to cut out the agencies these days and you will find yourself in a world of trouble. You can't fight the system anywhere in Thailand. You have to go with the flow and work within it.[/QUOTE]From what I've read in this forum before, there are some examples of where massage ladies have gone into business for themselves and opened their own massage parlor. Some ladies from Tulip Massage have opened Snow White and some other places like that.

I don't think anybody will stop the ladies from doing this kind of stuff, when they understand the business from inside, know the right people, and know what to do.

And that's actually the reason why you need to have partners, who know the business, rather than try to do it by yourself. As a foreigner, you don't know enough of the local situation to succeed on your own.

I think many women, who are working in the business now, have enough know-how to succeed in a business like this, not just as managers, but also as business partners, who continue to do the massage work with customers. Because you can find examples, where such women have done exactly this.

What makes for a successful P4P business in Bangkok or indeed anywhere? For me it's simple, having an interesting concept, good location, top class facilities, attractive trained staff, customer focused service, professional management, successful marketing and full compliance with all the requirements of the local "authorities". Did I miss anything?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2152647]I was hoping your advice was just a joke, but then I saw you have over 900 posts, and most of them on the Thailand board.

Do you really think that a Westerner should go into business with an illiterate prostitute in a country he doesn't know much about? You've got to stop giving worthless advice like this.[/QUOTE]I think you should stop pre-judging people based on stereotypes, without knowing them personally. Because even the word 'prostitute' is a Western word that means something different from the way it works in Thailand.

You are imposing Western stereotypes on people in a non-Western country, where everything is different from the way it is in the West.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2152683]From what I've read in this forum before, there are some examples of where massage ladies have gone into business for themselves and opened their own massage parlor. Some ladies from Tulip Massage have opened Snow White and some other places like that.

I don't think anybody will stop the ladies from doing this kind of stuff, when they understand the business from inside, know the right people, and know what to do.

And that's actually the reason why you need to have partners, who know the business, rather than try to do it by yourself. As a foreigner, you don't know enough of the local situation to succeed on your own.

I think many women, who are working in the business now, have enough know-how to succeed in a business like this, not just as managers, but also as business partners, who continue to do the massage work with customers. Because you can find examples, where such women have done exactly this.[/QUOTE]Oily parlor yes. GoGo no.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2151424]Most newly opened bars in Nana have failed pretty quickly. The big competition really is to have enough pretty girls. This seems to make bars hire a lot of Coyotes from the Agency. Not clear to me why there are a lot of Ladyboy bars too. The bar scene does not look promising.

Some bars have managed to improve their line up of girls. Some their bars I would still have a look, however did not take a girl for several months. Not easy to pick out the good girls. The best sign for me is lovey dovey girls that start kissing in the bar. Any stand offish attitude and they are likely to be crap. Same applies to Cowboy, where have only been taking my regular girls for some extended time (one of those is shy to kiss in public but I know her well enough). I had a great girl at Billboard for a while but she found a Farang BF very quickly, hardly surprising.[/QUOTE]There are no topless girls in Billboard anymore and the lineup sucks.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2152684]What makes for a successful P4P business in Bangkok or indeed anywhere? For me it's simple, having an interesting concept, good location, top class facilities, attractive trained staff, customer focused service, professional management, successful marketing and full compliance with all the requirements of the local "authorities". Did I miss anything?[/QUOTE]I'd say that you've missed the most important thing for any business to have. Which is the price of your service or product for customers.

Without money, there is no business. You need to make enough money to pay for all of the business expenses and have a reasonable surplus to pay yourself too. But the higher price you set, the fewer customers you will have. This is partly because of competition and partly because the higher the price, the fewer people can afford it. The higher the price, the smaller is your target market, and the fewer customers you will have.

You can have everything you've listed above. But if you get the price wrong, then your business might fail.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2153196]I'd say that you've missed the most important thing for any business to have. Which is the price of your service or product for customers.

Without money, there is no business. You need to make enough money to pay for all of the business expenses and have a reasonable surplus to pay yourself too. But the higher price you set, the fewer customers you will have. This is partly because of competition and partly because the higher the price, the fewer people can afford it. The higher the price, the smaller is your target market, and the fewer customers you will have.

You can have everything you've listed above. But if you get the price wrong, then your business might fail.[/QUOTE]I've been in business all my life Dan. I've never opened a knocking shop but there are basic principles which apply to all businesses.

To avoid boring people I didn't go into detail on each of the requirements but as anybody with a passing acquaintance with the basics of marketing (which I did mention) knows price is one of the 4 P'S.

Where you pitch this depends on who your target customer is. I believe in Bangkok there a market for a high-end establishment charging a premium price for a premium product.

A lot depends on your budget which in turn especially in Bangkok depends on the terms of your lease. No point investing 10 mil. Plus on key money and fit out if the best lease you can get is three years. Here best go for the mass market with competitive pricing etc etc etc.

I used to get top notch service and reasonable quality from these two in the past. However last 3 years were pretty much duds. Judging by past few months' reports, things seems to be pretty much the same.

So am I correct in assuming that there are no gems with earth shattering service in these places anymore?

Secondly does anyone has any recommendations for threesomes at snow white or similar establishment except Tulip which I have shortlisted already?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2153327]I used to get top notch service and reasonable quality from these two in the past. However last 3 years were pretty much duds. Judging by past few months' reports, things seems to be pretty much the same.

So am I correct in assuming that there are no gems with earth shattering service in these places anymore?

Secondly does anyone has any recommendations for threesomes at snow white or similar establishment except Tulip which I have shortlisted already?[/QUOTE]Mango really dropped the ball when they added the 500 Baht "butt-penalty" IMHO. The girls are no better than SW, in fact I would say SW has a better lineup, yet they want to charge more and have not increased quality. I have no problem paying more if I am getting more. Boss is a bit more expensive but a far nicer experience overall. Gals are not PSE, but still quite fun.

Cherry IMHO is in need of renovations, its kind of grungy, and it just is not the most pleasant atmosphere. Just seems far from professional when compared with some of the other places.

When is someone going to open a PSE place with really hot gals? Think we would all be willing to pay for that. But again, we are in Thailand, and the better looking a gal is, the less she is willing to do.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2152428]Had a good massage with happy ending at Cam Can lately [URL]http://www.cancam-massage.com[/URL].

Girls are younger / better looking than the average MP in the area, definatly not a PSE place though.

The fact 2/3 of the girls advertise no FS made me think this place could be good material for massage + happy ending in a japanese style.[/QUOTE]Can Cam had always had girls of above average looks causing me to be a sometime customer. I always had FS, although perhaps 2 girls were absolute crap for service, the rest okay To good.

So is it a "fact" that 2/3 do not provide sex? Sure some will be lazy once you paid the full all in price. I would have thought the market for just HJ would not be that strong.

Does it imply that some guys cannot get off on a BBBJ? I never had CBJ there that I can remember.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2153564]
So is it a "fact" that 2/3 do not provide sex? Sure some will be lazy once you paid the full all in price. [/QUOTE][URL]http://www.cancam-massage.com/gals/[/URL] if you google translate the gals detailed services, most don't provide FS.

I don't call this lazy, they just offer whatever service they feel ok with to offer.

As long as they don't trick anyone, you are free not to go with those not providing the services you need.

One could argue the price should be different if the service is not the same but again as long as you have the choice and prefer paying beauty with HJ or CBJ over poor looks and FS, its a choice.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2153564]I would have thought the market for just HJ would not be that strong.[/QUOTE]There is a strong market for sexy university students giving massage in MPs with service usually limited to HJ, sometimes BJ and rarely FS.

These Thai website will give you an idea of the size of this market (50+ MPs listed), though most of them are in remote areas, very few in Sukhumvit.

[URL]www.kapooclub.com[/URL]

[URL]www.kapooclubwebboard.net[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2153564]
Does it imply that some guys cannot get off on a BBBJ? I never had CBJ there that I can remember.[/QUOTE]Everyone sets their own boundaries. Having normal sexual life at home I'm just happy to have a very relaxing yet erotic happy ending massage.

I feel China and Japan do much better than Thailand on this topic but still, you can have good experiences, especially in japanese oriented shops.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2153608]if you google translate the gals detailed services, most don't provide FS.

I don't call this lazy, they just offer whatever service they feel ok with to offer.

As long as they don't trick anyone, you are free not to go with those not providing the services you need.

One could argue the price should be different if the service is not the same but again as long as you have the choice and prefer paying beauty with HJ or CBJ over poor looks and FS, its a choice.

There is a strong market for sexy university students giving massage in MPs with service usually limited to HJ, sometimes BJ and rarely FS.

These Thai website will give you an idea of the size of this market (50+ MPs listed), though most of them are in remote areas, very few in Sukhumvit.

[URL]www.kapooclub.com[/URL]

[URL]www.kapooclubwebboard.net[/URL]

Everyone sets their own boundaries. Having normal sexual life at home I'm just happy to have a very relaxing yet erotic happy ending massage.

I feel China and Japan do much better than Thailand on this topic but still, you can have good experiences, especially in japanese oriented shops.[/QUOTE]Sad really. The entire "I don't provide FS" and kapoo phenom. It's had a very negative effect on the scene. Owners and punters who allow this have really just decreased service levels for us all. Of course it all fits in nicely with the current conservative revival in Thailand where sex is seen to be beneath most women who fancy themselves women of higher status. Too bad guys just don't laugh and walk. If that happened enough, gals would be providing service if they wanted to earn money. I don't blame the gals at all. The blame rests with the punters who accept this crap.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2153616]Sad really. The entire "I don't provide FS" and kapoo phenom. It's had a very negative effect on the scene. Owners and punters who allow this have really just decreased service levels for us all. Of course it all fits in nicely with the current conservative revival in Thailand where sex is seen to be beneath most women who fancy themselves women of higher status. Too bad guys just don't laugh and walk. If that happened enough, gals would be providing service if they wanted to earn money. I don't blame the gals at all. The blame rests with the punters who accept this crap.[/QUOTE]The scene as you call it can be diverse.

Kapoos for HJs, BJ Bar for BJs, Gogo / KTV for FS takeaway, Saunas for FS, soapies being MP hybrids offering both HJ / BJ and FS for intermediate price and the usual call girls or street girls for whatever you negotiate.

Kapoos have been around for a very very long time and are not related to a "conservative revival".

Some people on this forum seem to think the same Tulip, Mango, Cherry, Snow, Annies and Chrome and their clones on Sukumvit sois are representative from the MP scene in BKK as a whole.
They are not, its a very limited part of the scene, mostly farang oriented and there is much more to be experienced in BKK.

But I get your frustration, I have the same frustration you do when I go to a shop labbeled as providing erotic massage with HJ / BJ happy ending and instead I get a not so erotic massage and several requests of going FS because the girl wants a higher tip and spend less energy on the massage.

In the end its all about getting what you are being advertised for and getting what you are willingly paying for.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2153240]...I believe in Bangkok there a market for a high-end establishment charging a premium price for a premium product...[/QUOTE]Are you thinking about opening something better than The Lord MP? Go for it, you've got one customer, who will show up a couple of times a year.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2153608]

One could argue the price should be different if the service is not the same but again as long as you have the choice and prefer paying beauty with HJ or CBJ over poor looks and FS, its a choice.

There is a strong market for sexy university students giving massage in MPs with service usually limited to HJ, sometimes BJ and rarely FS.[/QUOTE]Any recommendations for places with sexy university students? HJ / BJ is fine; don't really need FS.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2153626]The scene as you call it can be diverse.

Kapoos for HJs, BJ Bar for BJs, Gogo / KTV for FS takeaway, Saunas for FS, soapies being MP hybrids offering both HJ / BJ and FS for intermediate price and the usual call girls or street girls for whatever you negotiate.

Kapoos have been around for a very very long time and are not related to a "conservative revival".

-snip-[/QUOTE]Actually, I am only aware of one so-called "BJ Bar" where FS is not also on the menu; Bit Style. And maybe they are on board with that lately, too. I am not sure since I tried but could not get past their atrocious earlier environment to repeat after 2-3 times.

And I have gotten as many and often better blowjobs from go-go girls than I have gotten from most BJ Bargirls. I assume a go-go bargirl would provide a HJ but can't imagine why I would settle for that with a go-go girl (or any girl in Thailand for that matter). I am not a fan, but I am aware that many if not most soapies and MPs offer HJ, BJ and FS. Escorts, ditto. Freelancers, I don't know of anything routinely accepted as off the menu. Yes, I know there are individual girls in every type of venue who say no to BJ or no to FS and so on. I'm talking about the general rule.

So, as far as I know, the Kapoo option is the only recognized category of P4P service in Bangkok/Thailand where HJs are pretty much the only thing on the menu. Unless I missed one here.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2153700]Are you thinking about opening something better than The Lord MP? Go for it, you've got one customer, who will show up a couple of times a year.[/QUOTE]I'm not a big fan of soapies. A thorough wash in bubbly suds followed by a body slide on an uncomfortable ribbed mattress is fine as a onetime been there done that experience but give me a laid back jacuzzi trip with an ice bucket and a vintage claret alongside anytime.

The lounge area and rooms would be in the style of a French bordello, lots of black stockings and lacy underwear with a super relaxed nonchalant atmosphere. However it would be staff selection and training and continuously maintaining these standards that distinguishes the place from the competition.

Admission should not be automatic and should reflect a certain clientele with a dress code which excludes loud bottom feeders.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2153626]The scene as you call it can be diverse.

Kapoos for HJs, BJ Bar for BJs, Gogo / KTV for FS takeaway, Saunas for FS, soapies being MP hybrids offering both HJ / BJ and FS for intermediate price and the usual call girls or street girls for whatever you negotiate.

Kapoos have been around for a very very long time and are not related to a "conservative revival".

Some people on this forum seem to think the same Tulip, Mango, Cherry, Snow, Annies and Chrome and their clones on Sukumvit sois are representative from the MP scene in BKK as a whole.
They are not, its a very limited part of the scene, mostly farang oriented and there is much more to be experienced in BKK.

But I get your frustration, I have the same frustration you do when I go to a shop labbeled as providing erotic massage with HJ / BJ happy ending and instead I get a not so erotic massage and several requests of going FS because the girl wants a higher tip and spend less energy on the massage.

In the end its all about getting what you are being advertised for and getting what you are willingly paying for.[/QUOTE]I don't remember Kapoos when I moved here almost 19 years ago. Soapies were still going strong then, and while not PSE were certainly GFE. Never had a problem with DFK or BBBJ then. Performance, numbers, and talent has declined at soapies. And yes, I think Kapoo massage is all about a gal wanting to make decent Baht without ever considering herself a "prostitute. " Whereas 20 years ago she would have been doing it all; now she doesn't have to, which is a very different frame of reference for her. So again, the better looking the gal, the less she has to do.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2153524] Boss is a bit more expensive but a far nicer experience overall. Gals are not PSE, but still quite fun [/QUOTE]Any specific no baby girl you could recommend? The only time I went the service was ok but the mamasan lied about the girl not having a baby.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2153811]I'm not a big fan of soapies. A thorough wash in bubbly suds followed by a body slide on an uncomfortable ribbed mattress is fine as a onetime been there done that experience but give me a laid back jacuzzi trip with an ice bucket and a vintage claret alongside anytime.

The lounge area and rooms would be in the style of a French bordello, lots of black stockings and lacy underwear with a super relaxed nonchalant atmosphere. However it would be staff selection and training and continuously maintaining these standards that distinguishes the place from the competition.

Admission should not be automatic and should reflect a certain clientele with a dress code which excludes loud bottom feeders.[/QUOTE]Yes and some nice Jazz music in the background for conversation reasons. None that shit they play in CH and some of the other GoGo's. BTW there was an item on the news this morning that showed the most trusted names World wide. Rolex was number 1 with many other high end names to follow. I think this proves your point that quality and atmosphere will bring in the money.

RL.

[QUOTE=*****man;2154046]Any specific no baby girl you could recommend? The only time I went the service was ok but the mamasan lied about the girl not having a baby.[/QUOTE]Although a bit older, Pin is fun and no baby.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2154205]Although a bit older, Pin is fun and no baby.[/QUOTE]Wow we are actually agreed, once more. Freaky! LOL No pornstar with me but definitely good fun. I don't know her age (somewhere between 30 and 40) but I reckon still in pretty good condition, and I guess no baby helped that. I would guess 32 to 35.

My GF is close to 40 and still in really hot excellent shape despite a baby (little visible effect and pussy still tight). So to me exact age is not very important.

She was perhaps too skinny at times in the past, but perfect for me now.

Some girls are in crap shape at 19. All that Khaow Niaow (sticky rice), noodles, slurpies, and junk in foil bags.

I have to wonder about some guys who can't get excited by a girl over 21. Seems a bit strange to be attracted to immaturity.

I take a pretty broad range of ages if girl is in good condition and reaches the legal minimum, but I prefer experienced girls, whether young or older.

My favourite working girls are 34,21, and 21 at the moment. The later two I have known since they were 18. They were experienced even then, I reckon. LOL.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2153608][URL]http://www.cancam-massage.com/gals/[/URL] if you google translate the gals detailed services, most don't provide FS.

I don't call this lazy, they just offer whatever service they feel ok with to offer.

One could argue the price should be different if the service is not the same but again as long as you have the choice and prefer paying beauty with HJ or CBJ over poor looks and FS, its a choice.

There is a strong market for sexy university students giving massage in MPs with service usually limited to HJ, sometimes BJ and rarely FS.

Everyone sets their own boundaries. Having normal sexual life at home I'm just happy to have a very relaxing yet erotic happy ending massage.
[/QUOTE]I have been to Can Cam quite a few times and previously reported on those girls. Had sex with all of them as far as can remember. Not one told me no sex and I do speak Thai. So I have to take the 2/3 with a grain of salt. One or two were real bad though so one could equate very bad with "virtually no sex". I will check out the web site translated. I have had sex with May 2 to 3 times I think (if same one), but web indicates she does FS. I like the look of Soda, so will be interesting to see if she really refuses sex. I wonder if this is a trick to request extra tip for sex. Will see in the future.

I find it strange that girls are into 69 but no sex. I have never experienced that before in Thailand. I was never a customer of any shop where sex was forbidden since Chawala 1 and 2, 27 years ago. LOL Even then, a lot of oral and fingering was going on.

For sure I want beauties, they don't have to be Uni Students, real or fake. I did have a very pretty Uni girl a few times who was working a bar occasionally when studies permitted. Coincidence. I was not looking for Uni girls.

I will happily take a 29 YO beauty. However lack of beauties is major reason I have had so few MP visits lately. So I guess I have to try Kapoo clubs providing I get to choose a girl without nose job, and not for a HJ. That would be a waste of money for me.

I would never pay for HJ myself, just my preference. I much prefer a soft BBBJ. I am sure President Bill would not regard either as sex, but I don't agree. I love fingering girls gently, so that is definitely "cheating" already. Fortunately my GF is not too concerned about me playing up. She has noticed a big drop off in me being absent, partly because I am getting better at home (but still not quite enough to make me totally faithful).

I go for just a BJ only really out of desperation or lack of time. When I used to go to BJ shop regularly, I almost always took Full Sex.

Pay the money, and are playing up. May as well take the full service is my attitude. I am very pussy oriented, obviously.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2154103]Yes and some nice Jazz music in the background for conversation reasons. None that shit they play in CH and some of the other GoGo's. BTW there was an item on the news this morning that showed the most trusted names World wide. Rolex was number 1 with many other high end names to follow. I think this proves your point that quality and atmosphere will bring in the money.

RL.[/QUOTE]Playlist: Miles Davis, Chet baker, Etta James, Billy Holiday, Charlie Parker, Leonard Cohen, John Coltrane, Aretha Franklin, Tom Waits, Van the Man, Nina Simone, Amy Winehouse and Ole Blue eyes singing Angle Eyes. Please feel area to expand on.

[QUOTE=Opp44;2153779]Any recommendations for places with sexy university students? HJ / BJ is fine; don't really need FS.[/QUOTE]In those joints, You might need to pay extra if you ask those "students" to take their tops off.

[QUOTE=Opp44;2153779]Any recommendations for places with sexy university students? HJ / BJ is fine; don't really need FS.[/QUOTE]Addict has a couple of students. Mali is a good one.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2154568]Playlist: Miles Davis, Chet baker, Etta James, Billy Holiday, Charlie Parker, Leonard Cohen, John Coltrane, Aretha Franklin, Tom Waits, Van the Man, Nina Simone, Amy Winehouse and Ole Blue eyes singing Angle Eyes. Please feel area to expand on.[/QUOTE]Make that Ole Blue Eyes singing Angel Eyes.

Fellow hobbyists,

I have RTFF and I still want to make a quick poll here.

Can you please make a list of your favorite MP girls for outcall. I always bring the ladies back to my hotel.

I used to have quite a few regulars but they have quit turning tricks and I am looking to build a new list of regulars. In my last visit to BKK I tried My from SW. She was ok but won't make the cut to become a regular. I also met with a regular who is quite tall and not skinny. She is not fat either. She has a flexible body and take it up her ass. Happy to share her with fellow mongers who are sharing regulars on PM.

I am heading out to BKK sometime in the summer.

/ Kirsia.

[QUOTE=Opp44;2153779]Any recommendations for places with sexy university students? HJ / BJ is fine; don't really need FS.[/QUOTE]1. Kapoo type MPs (Google for Kapoo Club).

2. Sideline girls, but you got to speak / read / write Thai (google for FanFinFin).

3. Thaifriendly / Tinder (score a freebie).

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2154803]Fellow hobbyists,
Can you please make a list of your favorite MP girls for outcall. I always bring the ladies back to my hotel

/ Kirsia.[/QUOTE]Ying from Exotic Massage.

Aom from Snow White Massage.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2154568]Playlist: Miles Davis, Chet baker, Etta James, Billy Holiday, Charlie Parker, Leonard Cohen, John Coltrane, Aretha Franklin, Tom Waits, Van the Man, Nina Simone, Amy Winehouse and Ole Blue eyes singing Angle Eyes. Please feel area to expand on.[/QUOTE]At the risk of being shouted at for irrelevance: Thelonius Monk, Dave Brubeck, Nat king Cole, Jackie Gleason, Stan Getz, Johnny Mathis.

I was in Bangkok this past weekend, staying near Nana. I was too lazy to head up to Soi 22 area so I decided to give Bamboo a try. The mamasan didn't offer an opportunity to view the lineup but in fairness I didn't ask so it might have been an option. She assigned Yok who turned out fine. Not a stunner, maybe 6/10 on looks but good performance. She has a bit of baby fat but with a cute figure and nice ass. Massage was above average. BJ was initially covered but with full DT action. FS (also covered) was really hot. We cycled through ACG, mish and CG. During the latter I massaged her clit with a finger which drove her wild and elicited an O which was accompanied by a squeal. When I finally pulled out we were both out of breath. When she noticed I hadn't come she insisted on giving it another try, noting that since I had made her come she needed to do the same. She removed the cover and started another round of BJ, this time uncovered. Technique was great, using both her mouth and hands and with full DT. I eventually erupted in her mouth after which we cuddled for a bit and finished with another shower. Again, only a 6 on looks but 8 on performance. I plan to repeat next time I'm in BKK.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2155162]I was in Bangkok this past weekend, staying near Nana. I was too lazy to head up to Soi 22 area so I decided to give Bamboo a try. The mamasan didn't offer an opportunity to view the lineup but in fairness I didn't ask so it might have been an option. She assigned Yok who turned out fine. Not a stunner, maybe 6/10 on looks but good performance. She has a bit of baby fat but with a cute figure and nice ass. Massage was above average. BJ was initially covered but with full DT action. FS (also covered) was really hot. We cycled through ACG, mish and CG. During the latter I massaged her clit with a finger which drove her wild and elicited an O which was accompanied by a squeal. When I finally pulled out we were both out of breath. When she noticed I hadn't come she insisted on giving it another try, noting that since I had made her come she needed to do the same. She removed the cover and started another round of BJ, this time uncovered. Technique was great, using both her mouth and hands and with full DT. I eventually erupted in her mouth after which we cuddled for a bit and finished with another shower. Again, only a 6 on looks but 8 on performance. I plan to repeat next time I'm in BKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2154319]Wow we are actually agreed, once more. Freaky! LOL No pornstar with me but definitely good fun. I don't know her age (somewhere between 30 and 40) but I reckon still in pretty good condition, and I guess no baby helped that. I would guess 32 to 35.

My GF is close to 40 and still in really hot excellent shape despite a baby (little visible effect and pussy still tight). So to me exact age is not very important.

She was perhaps too skinny at times in the past, but perfect for me now.

Some girls are in crap shape at 19. All that Khaow Niaow (sticky rice), noodles, slurpies, and junk in foil bags.

I have to wonder about some guys who can't get excited by a girl over 21. Seems a bit strange to be attracted to immaturity.

I take a pretty broad range of ages if girl is in good condition and reaches the legal minimum, but I prefer experienced girls, whether young or older.

My favourite working girls are 34,21, and 21 at the moment. The later two I have known since they were 18. They were experienced even then, I reckon. LOL.[/QUOTE]My Thai GF is 38, and she's in the sweetspot for sexiness IMO: experienced enough to enjoy sex, and still in pleasant enough shape to be sexy. One kid but her body has kept up, nice natural boobs and ass, and she still gets a thrill from Western tongue and cock. A shame only that her English isn't good enough for more than a really basic conversation, and her blowjobs aren't great.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2155072]At the risk of being shouted at for irrelevance: Thelonius Monk, Dave Brubeck, Nat king Cole, Jackie Gleason, Stan Getz, Johnny Mathis.[/QUOTE]I feel all of the senses should be stimulated when having sex and so sound or more specifically music has its part to play. As to being shouted down as being irrelevant fear not. With as much navel gazing as there is on the forum surely a little bit of culture will not be frowned on.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2154568]Playlist: Miles Davis, Chet baker, Etta James, Billy Holiday, Charlie Parker, Leonard Cohen, John Coltrane, Aretha Franklin, Tom Waits, Van the Man, Nina Simone, Amy Winehouse and Ole Blue eyes singing Angle Eyes. Please feel area to expand on.[/QUOTE]This is not going to suit a wide audience (and count me out too). Most will prefer slightly more modern than that. LOL.

Music in a gogo bar has to be suitable for young girls to dance to, so that rules out most of this stuff. I don't say that Crazy House has the best dance music though. Too much thump and screech stuff, and clearly too loud that you don't want to be in front of a speaker.

Sheba bar had an excellent DJ before it closed, where the music suited both expats, younger customers and the girls somewhat.

Had some rock, latin, reggae, dance, even Issan music close to closing time etc. A good mix, but reasonably musical.

I recently went to Jungle Jim's and some customer was hogging the requests and requesting obscure head banging rock stuff that nobody liked except him I think. I did not even know any of the artists in the live videos. The girls could not dance to it. When I requested some more modern danceable songs I got dirty looks from him. LOL Mostly latin stuff I requested.

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2155178]My Thai GF is 38, and she's in the sweetspot for sexiness IMO: experienced enough to enjoy sex, and still in pleasant enough shape to be sexy. One kid but her body has kept up, nice natural boobs and ass, and she still gets a thrill from Western tongue and cock. A shame only that her English isn't good enough for more than a really basic conversation, and her blowjobs aren't great.[/QUOTE]Ditto from me. Only difference is I speak Thai. Then I have to sometimes listen to Buddhist philosophies from her. She expects me to believe in reincarnation and making merit this life to come back next time in a higher status. LOL.

Probably needs large amounts of practice for girls to give really expert BJs. If they are not very experienced, they suffer from jaw ache quite quickly as unnatural to keep mouth open so wide and have something large going down the throat. So understandable they may not be top experts in this field. Any reasonable attempt is OK for me. Fortunately I am OK with fairly short BJs moving on to FS. I prefer dick in pussy.

We have to bear in mind that DATY is not as demanding on the jaw as BJ and less gagging problems as well. In fact I can go a pretty long time with DATY providing I can breathe, without tiring.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2154205]Although a bit older, Pin is fun and no baby.[/QUOTE]The over 30's don't really do much for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2155341]This is not going to suit a wide audience (and count me out too). Most will prefer slightly more modern than that. LOL.

Music in a gogo bar has to be suitable for young girls to dance to, so that rules out most of this stuff. I don't say that Crazy House has the best dance music though. Too much thump and screech stuff, and clearly too loud that you don't want to be in front of a speaker.

Sheba bar had an excellent DJ before it closed, where the music suited both expats, younger customers and the girls somewhat.

Had some rock, latin, reggae, dance, even Issan music close to closing time etc. A good mix, but reasonably musical.

I recently went to Jungle Jim's and some customer was hogging the requests and requesting obscure head banging rock stuff that nobody liked except him I think. I did not even know any of the artists in the live videos. The girls could not dance to it. When I requested some more modern danceable songs I got dirty looks from him. LOL Mostly latin stuff I requested.[/QUOTE]I get our point that the playlist is not suitable for go go bars but our new high end bordello is aimed at a more sophisticated laid back educated clientele who appreciate a more cultured and refined atmosphere. As I said in a previous post it will be rather exclusive and will exclude bottom feeders but you will be more than welcome S. Incidentally I like Latin music particularly anything by Mario Bauza' Tito Puente, Dizzy's forays into the genre and of course the sensational Buena Vista Social Club.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2154713]Addict has a couple of students. Mali is a good one.[/QUOTE]Can you share more info on her? She's not on the website. I don't care about her being a student or not but decent body with no baby damage?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2155343]e. Fortunately I am OK with fairly short BJs moving on to FS. I prefer dick in pussy.

We have to bear in mind that DATY is not as demanding on the jaw as BJ and less gagging problems as well. In fact I can go a pretty long time with DATY providing I can breathe, without tiring.[/QUOTE]Again we are in full agreement. We definitely need to meet up for a beer next time I'm in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=*****man;2155355]Can you share more info on her? She's not on the website. I don't care about her being a student or not but decent body with no baby damage?[/QUOTE]Mali is still listed on their website [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/index.php?mo=10&art=42313136[/URL].

She is 25 yo, white skin, trimmed, no baby damage, fine service. Was with be&be last year, stopped working for a while and went back to work at Addict.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2155392]Mali is still listed on their website [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/index.php?mo=10&art=42313136[/URL].

She is 25 yo, white skin, trimmed, no baby damage, fine service. Was with be&be last year, stopped working for a while and went back to work at Addict.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll give her a go. I was being taken to an old Addict page. Good to see they've got a few students, even if one looks like a tranny.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2155341]This is not going to suit a wide audience (and count me out too). Most will prefer slightly more modern than that. LOL.

Music in a gogo bar has to be suitable for young girls to dance to, so that rules out most of this stuff. I don't say that Crazy House has the best dance music though. Too much thump and screech stuff, and clearly too loud that you don't want to be in front of a speaker.

Sheba bar had an excellent DJ before it closed, where the music suited both expats, younger customers and the girls somewhat.

Had some rock, latin, reggae, dance, even Issan music close to closing time etc. A good mix, but reasonably musical.

I recently went to Jungle Jim's and some customer was hogging the requests and requesting obscure head banging rock stuff that nobody liked except him I think. I did not even know any of the artists in the live videos. The girls could not dance to it. When I requested some more modern danceable songs I got dirty looks from him. LOL Mostly latin stuff I requested.[/QUOTE]Come on S. They move a little and swing their hips. They are bored as ever and are excited to get off the stage and into a mans arms with an LD. I guess it's an age thing that we want a mellow place with class. Thais give us what they think we want. Or what sells.

And for music Latin Jazz and Brazilian Jazz can bring out the rhythm in anyone. I thinking mood that tickles the sense of hearing as well as the sense of sight.

RL.

Why not take the go go bar discussion into the appropriate thread?

After trying the Lord out a few times, I wanted a change. Depspite some of the bad press this place has received on the board recently, I decided to check it out for myself. It was a Friday evening around 11:00 Pm. The girls from the fish bowl move upstairs to the model floor and Mix in with the models. At this time, there was about 25 girls. I chose May. Nice long legs, tanned skin but on the whiter side, and natural see cups. In the room it was a slow start. Lots of prep time which got me worried. 4,800 Baht and I didn't want to be ripped off for my time. They give you 2 hours. Literally after 30 minutes of prep time, waiting and chit chat, we were in the bath. A nice wash and it allowed me to admire her body. Onto the bed, she asked if I wanted oil or cream for the massage. I said skip the massage and let's get down to it. Started off with a decent BBBJ amd then she slipped the cover on. Nice view in cowgirl and then switched to mish. I was really getting a good rythym going in mish but couldn't cum. Then switched to doggy and admired that ass. After a good 30 minutes of pounding away, I still couldn't cum. What the hell. This girl was beautiful. Doggy turned into reverse mish with her face down in the pillow. Another 20 minutes went by, still no cumming. I was close so many times but nothing could seem to push me over the edge. At one point I pulled out to take a break and noticed the condom hard come off Inside her, I had thought the feeling was really good. Still didn't finish. Anyways to make a long story short, there was another 45 minutes of straight sex and this girl didn't complain one time. She took it like a champ. At about 1:15 AM I decided to call it a night but this girl was completely willing to continue for the final 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2155392]Mali is still listed on their website [URL]http://www.addictmassagebkk.com/index.php?mo=10&art=42313136[/URL].

She is 25 yo, white skin, trimmed, no baby damage, fine service. Was with be&be last year, stopped working for a while and went back to work at Addict.[/QUOTE]But fake tits, right? Guessing from the pic where they look somewhat over rounded on top (could be just a ridiculous bra I guess).

Don't know if anyone has similar taste to me. LOL. Based on the pics, I would like to hear any comments (especially re attitude, surgeries and body condition) on Kai-Mook (means Pearl), May, Michelle, AA, Cherry, and Nana. I guess a couple of these appear to have nose jobs, but maybe not too nasty.

It's hard for me to choose very quickly in a line up when the body is hidden. LOL.

Perhaps Tan would be safer for me, as looks quite skinny. LOL Probably no tits.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2156203]But fake tits, right? Guessing from the pic where they look somewhat over rounded on top (could be just a ridiculous bra I guess).

Don't know if anyone has similar taste to me. LOL. Based on the pics, I would like to hear any comments (especially re attitude, surgeries and body condition) on Kai-Mook (means Pearl), May, Michelle, AA, Cherry, and Nana. I guess a couple of these appear to have nose jobs, but maybe not too nasty.

It's hard for me to choose very quickly in a line up when the body is hidden. LOL.

Perhaps Tan would be safer for me, as looks quite skinny. LOL Probably no tits.[/QUOTE]What about Paint, Fanta and Music? Got to love their names. Some girls don't look quite right.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2156203]But fake tits, right? Guessing from the pic where they look somewhat over rounded on top (could be just a ridiculous bra I guess).

Don't know if anyone has similar taste to me. LOL. Based on the pics, I would like to hear any comments (especially re attitude, surgeries and body condition) on Kai-Mook (means Pearl), May, Michelle, AA, Cherry, and Nana. I guess a couple of these appear to have nose jobs, but maybe not too nasty.

It's hard for me to choose very quickly in a line up when the body is hidden. LOL.

Perhaps Tan would be safer for me, as looks quite skinny. LOL Probably no tits.[/QUOTE]Some great looking gals at Addict, but no performance standards. If they were all guaranteed performers, I'd be a regular customer.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2156237]What about Paint, Fanta and Music? Got to love their names. Some girls don't look quite right.[/QUOTE]Definitely some look like trannies. They're probably not, more likely to be a victim of bad genes and bad surgery.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2156203]But fake tits, right? Guessing from the pic where they look somewhat over rounded on top (could be just a ridiculous bra I guess).

Don't know if anyone has similar taste to me. LOL. Based on the pics, I would like to hear any comments (especially re attitude, surgeries and body condition) on Kai-Mook (means Pearl), May, Michelle, AA, Cherry, and Nana. I guess a couple of these appear to have nose jobs, but maybe not too nasty.

It's hard for me to choose very quickly in a line up when the body is hidden. LOL.

Perhaps Tan would be safer for me, as looks quite skinny. LOL Probably no tits.[/QUOTE]LOL? Do you actually sit there laughing at yourself as you type?

Michelle got a good review here so I went looking for her a couple of times but she's always busy.

I'm also very reluctant to try out new girls there who haven't been reviewed due to bad experiences in the past but based on reports here, Michelle and Mali are both on my to-do list.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2155864]After trying the Lord out a few times, I wanted a change. Depspite some of the bad press this place has received on the board recently, I decided to check it out for myself. It was a Friday evening around 11:00 Pm. The girls from the fish bowl move upstairs to the model floor and Mix in with the models. At this time, there was about 25 girls. I chose May. Nice long legs, tanned skin but on the whiter side, and natural see cups. In the room it was a slow start. Lots of prep time which got me worried. 4,800 Baht and I didn't want to be ripped off for my time. They give you 2 hours. Literally after 30 minutes of prep time, waiting and chit chat, we were in the bath. A nice wash and it allowed me to admire her body. Onto the bed, she asked if I wanted oil or cream for the massage. I said skip the massage and let's get down to it. Started off with a decent BBBJ amd then she slipped the cover on. Nice view in cowgirl and then switched to mish. I was really getting a good rythym going in mish but couldn't cum. Then switched to doggy and admired that ass. After a good 30 minutes of pounding away, I still couldn't cum. What the hell. This girl was beautiful. Doggy turned into reverse mish with her face down in the pillow. Another 20 minutes went by, still no cumming. I was close so many times but nothing could seem to push me over the edge. At one point I pulled out to take a break and noticed the condom hard come off Inside her, I had thought the feeling was really good. Still didn't finish. Anyways to make a long story short, there was another 45 minutes of straight sex and this girl didn't complain one time. She took it like a champ. At about 1:15 AM I decided to call it a night but this girl was completely willing to continue for the final 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]A lot of girls are high on what most people call "yaba. " But really, more like pure meth, "ya ice. " Yaba though is actually a pill with meth + caffeine that bus drivers and factory workers take to work long shifts. I'd reckon half or so of girls working in soapies / brothels in Bangkok / Pattaya are on ya ice. Because, just as you said, she can have sex for 1. 5 hours like a champ (hell, I'd bet she could do it for a lot more hours, up to 10). Plus, it makes their work easier because it makes them more horny and they are naturally inclined to have sex. So, they basically get high then go to work. Some won't work without that kind of medicine and while on a crash / comedown will not come in for work that day.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2156515]A lot of girls are high on what most people call "yaba. " But really, more like pure meth, "ya ice. " Yaba though is actually a pill with meth + caffeine that bus drivers and factory workers take to work long shifts. I'd reckon half or so of girls working in soapies / brothels in Bangkok / Pattaya are on ya ice. Because, just as you said, she can have sex for 1. 5 hours like a champ (hell, I'd bet she could do it for a lot more hours, up to 10). Plus, it makes their work easier because it makes them more horny and they are naturally inclined to have sex. So, they basically get high then go to work. Some won't work without that kind of medicine and while on a crash / comedown will not come in for work that day.[/QUOTE]Yaa (Yah) means medicine. LOL.

Yaa Baa (Crazy Pills) was in heavy use for years, and got replaced somewhat by "Ice" (Thais might call it Yaa Eye since they can't pronounce Ice) for Gogo girls. I don't really know how much Yaa Baa is still in use. I spell with a double A, since it is a long Ah sound. Sounds a lot like Yar Bar, with strong emphasis on 2nd word.

Suzie Wong had lots of girls high on Ice say 3 to 4 years back until the bar had to ban it completely from use inside the venue. Many girls used it to control their weight. Smoke Ice instead of eating I guess.

I don't have much knowledge about Soapy girls being on Ice other than probably some at Annies (a bad example). My regular experience with soapies was before Ice became popular.

I used to do a bargirl, who was a bit of an over user of Ice, booze, gambling, you name it, everything possible was wrong, but she could be fun. She eventually had a baby to a Thai boy which spoiled her figure, and became too crazy to deal with eventually.

Naturally I prefer girls who don't rely on Ice. Bargirls can become wayward enough just from Tequilas or Yaa Dong (an alcoholic drink mixed up by the bar with herbs). So Yaa Dong drink should be the preferred method for girls to lose shyness.

Yaa has a few different meanings depending on the tone:
Mid Tone it means Medicine.
Low tone it means "Don't (do that)"
Falling Tone it means Grass (or weeds)
Other two tones possibly have no meaning.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2150554]I'm no political expert on Thailand, but applying some basic logic and it's easy enough to work out the reason for the decline.


3. Thailand is keen to rid itself of its reputation for vice and as a destination for sex tourism. The sex industry catering for foreigners makes up a tiny portion of Thailand's economy, so if it were to be phased out, it would not impact on its GDP in any way. I'm speculating here, but some of the foreign aid which Thailand receives from left-leaning, do-gooder nations (like Sweden, Norway and Canada) might be conditional on the country showing progress in cleaning up the sex trade..[/QUOTE]There will be no decline, sex will always be for sale, circumstances will change.

Thailand is progressing, which is a great thing, nothing beats a 1st world country with less restricted population movement. If Thailand keeps the momentum, it will become the Global center for many activities, classy forms of prostitution will obviously be one of them. Thai males are very masculine, so unlike nations that have a strong maternal genetic domination (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh) all had female presidents, despite being Muslim or conservative Hindu, which obviously led to the miserable Sex Industry. Dubai is a Muslim state, but its male dominated which allowed the growth of the Sex industry, Thailand will always have a Sex industry for the same reason.

The Sex clients demographic and class will change, more local Thai men will become economically powerful and increase their share of the consumers percentage. The girls will be more diverse and less desperate, the females working will be in it because they love doing it. Not sure if genetics will play a role, but more than likely the Non-Thai historic accumulation of monger off-spring will be the main element serving the needs of the local Thai males. If you play close attention this is already true for Ladyboys, there is a cultural trend in Thailand that favors Taller Ladyboys many tend to have exotic features and atypical body shapes, that we can easily associate with foreigners genetic contribution. The decision to become a ladybody seems to foreign the existence of foreign blood.

At this growth rate give Thailand a decade and so, then pretty females from diverse backgrounds will be in the market, the prices will go up and the majority of the clients will be local better off males. Which means the industry will grow in size. The legacy, freedom of the past will make Thailand better than other cities whose industry is less organic than Thailand.

Make sure you have more money for the future, otherwise the budget market might shift to whatever nations are in that economic situation.

If you have money you will buy sex, anywhere even in the most conservative places on Earth you can simply buy the prettiest wife. In the most advanced 1st world nation you can hire the most beautiful 19 yo high school grad to be your personal assistant, the only issue is how much money you are willing to spend on this.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2156515]A lot of girls are high on what most people call "yaba. " But really, more like pure meth, "ya ice. " Yaba though is actually a pill with meth + caffeine that bus drivers and factory workers take to work long shifts. I'd reckon half or so of girls working in soapies / brothels in Bangkok / Pattaya are on ya ice. Because, just as you said, she can have sex for 1. 5 hours like a champ (hell, I'd bet she could do it for a lot more hours, up to 10). Plus, it makes their work easier because it makes them more horny and they are naturally inclined to have sex. So, they basically get high then go to work. Some won't work without that kind of medicine and while on a crash / comedown will not come in for work that day.[/QUOTE]I think you're jumping to conclusions if you think this girl must've been on ice just because she took it like a champ. I should think it leads to erratic behaviour that would be fine in a go go bar but would lead to complaints in a soapy. Also, I don't recall any of the recent raids on soapies uncovered drug use.

Ice use would definitely explain the bizarre conduct of My at Snow White though.

[QUOTE=*****man;2156823]Ice use would definitely explain the bizarre conduct of My at Snow White though.[/QUOTE]Nah, My is just a strange gal who has had a lot of issues to deal with. Bad demanding family, etc. Don't think there is a drug issue there, especially considering the weight gain.

I did My back in November and she was pretty slim. I would say that she was a little strange. I will not repeat but it is not due to any weight gain.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2156840]Nah, My is just a strange gal who has had a lot of issues to deal with. Bad demanding family, etc. Don't think there is a drug issue there, especially considering the weight gain.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2157113]I did My back in November and she was pretty slim. I would say that she was a little strange. I will not repeat but it is not due to any weight gain.[/QUOTE]She is quite a bit heavier than she was 4 years ago. That is what I am referring to.

[QUOTE=JoseNosay;2156795]There will be no decline, sex will always be for sale, circumstances will change.

Thailand is progressing, which is a great thing, nothing beats a 1st world country with less restricted population movement. If Thailand keeps the momentum, it will become the Global center for many activities, classy forms of prostitution will obviously be one of them. Thai males are very masculine, so unlike nations that have a strong maternal genetic domination (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh) all had female presidents, despite being Muslim or conservative Hindu, which obviously led to the miserable Sex Industry. Dubai is a Muslim state, but its male dominated which allowed the growth of the Sex industry, Thailand will always have a Sex industry for the same reason.

The Sex clients demographic and class will change, more local Thai men will become economically powerful and increase their share of the consumers percentage. The girls will be more diverse and less desperate, the females working will be in it because they love doing it. Not sure if genetics will play a role, but more than likely the Non-Thai historic accumulation of monger off-spring will be the main element serving the needs of the local Thai males. If you play close attention this is already true for Ladyboys, there is a cultural trend in Thailand that favors Taller Ladyboys many tend to have exotic features and atypical body shapes, that we can easily associate with foreigners genetic contribution. The decision to become a ladybody seems to foreign the existence of foreign blood.

At this growth rate give Thailand a decade and so, then pretty females from diverse backgrounds will be in the market, the prices will go up and the majority of the clients will be local better off males. Which means the industry will grow in size. The legacy, freedom of the past will make Thailand better than other cities whose industry is less organic than Thailand.

Make sure you have more money for the future, otherwise the budget market might shift to whatever nations are in that economic situation.

If you have money you will buy sex, anywhere even in the most conservative places on Earth you can simply buy the prettiest wife. In the most advanced 1st world nation you can hire the most beautiful 19 yo high school grad to be your personal assistant, the only issue is how much money you are willing to spend on this.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you bother to write all this speculative stuff about what might happen "in your dreams". Would be better to compare today with years ago and observe what "actually" seemed to happen.

The Decline already happened. It is not in terms of being able to hookers, but naturally is a lot about what you get for your money, change in girls attitudes, how they are much more interested in what is happening on their smart phone, how they are not as poor as they used to be, how they can afford to not work most days, etc. Pretty half-half girls do have good opportunities to become models or Tv stars etc.

Their are very few half Farang girls working as hookers except perhaps as very high class Escorts demanding a lot of money, one comes to mind, or top shelf places for Thais and other Asian men. Half Farang ladyboys seems to be even less likely since Farang blood will spoil their delicate features, Farang male genes just making them too big. Males are naturally taller already. I don't recall seeing too many obviously half caste ladyboys at all.

There are already plenty of extremely rich Thais and plenty with low money. That a higher percentage will be extremely rich seems unlikely.

The Thai sex Industry will grow according to you. Sounds silly to me. Just look at the growth of the sex industry in Sweden, due to increased affluence. Ha ha! A very large sex industry is based around hookers not having the education levels to be able to get alternative well paid jobs, and dependent on religious, cultural values and the law.

I would say their is a strong reverse correlation between affluence of a country and percentage of hookers, bearing in mind that religion and cultural aspects play a big part too.

I would love to see figures for what percentage of visitors to Thailand are using the sex industry. I would be very surprised if it insignificant, among single male adult visitors.

India is also reported to have a very large number of hookers. I can't comment if that industry is miserable or not.

Prostitution is driven by poverty according to most sources. In Europe a large percentage ofprostitutes come from Romania and Bulgaria, as these are the poorest countries, but the girls can cross to more affluent countries where the customers have more money. Rich guys can use hookers daily.

In case of Thailand, some hookers manage to get overseas to work but their are (or used to be) plenty of customers, local and visitors with plenty of money. If Thailand was much more affluent, then there would be a bigger need to get hookers from Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia, etc. , which has been cracked down on, as was a big means to make a lot of money for traffickers.

I would say that the crackdown on non Thai nationals here, plus girls too young would have caused a big decline in the sex industry. Some places were shut down. Many Soapies have massively reduced business compared to the pre economic crises era (pre Thaksin). I have observed it. Bad economic times means that Thais had less money to spend, but also the political crackdowns have their effect.

When I go to a Soapy like Chao Praya 2, the girl line up is very small compared to what it was 15 to 20 years ago, and mostly an older fatter age bracket. Do you think this line up can pull the same customers they used to get, without all the non Thai nationals they used to have? No way. Government regulations and crackdowns have their effect.

Why do major go-go bar areas get progressively taken over by Ladyboys, and Coyotes? Because the supply of pretty hookers in good shape was dwindling and the level of customers was dwindling. Why do new bars close down so soon after opening? Is this not a decline?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2157202]I don't recall seeing too many obviously half caste ladyboys at all.[/QUOTE]In general I sense Ladyboys are taller than the average Male Thai, many also tend to have exotic facial structure. Not all mixed Thai-Farang are going to look obviously mixed, of course a thorough why-DNA testing on the Ladyboy population will answer that question once and for all. If bought at wholesale its about 40 a pop.

[QUOTE]There are already plenty of extremely rich Thais and plenty with low money. That a higher percentage will be extremely rich seems unlikely.[/QUOTE]They will be more Thai males who have the same purchasing power as an average farang today, the gap been closing in the last decades and if you look at Bangkok stats its pretty much has the most consistent economic growth of any big city world wide.

GDP Per Capita in Bangkok Nominal / PPP.

Bangkok 1980 - $2500/$5500.

Bangkok 1990 - $4500/$10000.

Bangkok 2000 - $5500/$12500.

Bangkok 2013 - $15000/$38000.

Bangkok 2018 - $16000/$40500.

I am not going to point out to the higher numbers in Rayong-Pattaya as those numbers mean less because Rayong population is much smaller than Bangkok. Compare that growth rate to any big city and you will see why I think Bangkok is on its way to be a much wealthier city.

[QUOTE]The Thai sex Industry will grow according to you. Sounds silly to me. Just look at the growth of the sex industry in Sweden, due to increased affluence. Ha ha! A very large sex industry is based around hookers not having the education levels to be able to get alternative well paid jobs, and dependent on religious, cultural values and the law.[/QUOTE]That is more due to he nature of Sweden (big scarcely populated country, with a population that is not open to casual social interaction, let alone sex) that makes it a sexually repressive place, affluence in relevance to the world is a necessity up there, otherwise why would humans evolve in those cold climate harsh conditions. People who live north of Hamburg are historically known to maintain some kind of high living standards, otherwise they take their ships to warmer waters, start trading / raiding and my guess that is where they did their mongering. The people who live closer to the warm regions, experience more economic volatility, the easier forms of life, makes poverty a byproduct of living in a relaxed warm climate.

When I go to a Soapy like Chao Praya 2, the girl line up is very small compared to what it was 15 to 20 years ago, and mostly an older fatter age bracket. Do you think this line up can pull the same customers they used to get, without all the non Thai nationals they used to have? No way. Government regulations and crackdowns have their effect.

[QUOTE]Why do major go-go bar areas get progressively taken over by Ladyboys, and Coyotes? Because the supply of pretty hookers in good shape was dwindling and the level of customers was dwindling. Why do new bars close down so soon after opening? Is this not a decline?[/QUOTE]The economic growth will deprive the older places of talent, if a 20 yo Thai girl is a 9/10 she will more than likely make more money working for Wealthy Thai males, it has an advantage to her because it elevates her status in society, she still has to meet the sexual needs of Wealthy Thai males (regardless of the job setting), but its less stigmatic for her. As of now the majority of the girls serving the farang are mainly from impoverished districts of Isan, where the GDP per capita is a fraction of that in Bangkok, so the transition will not be overnight. Until every girl in Isan meets her financial goals, then it will be a transition into an upmarket.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2157202]Prostitution is driven by poverty according to most sources. In Europe a large percentage ofprostitutes come from Romania and Bulgaria, as these are the poorest countries, but the girls can cross to more affluent countries where the customers have more money. Rich guys can use hookers daily.

In case of Thailand, some hookers manage to get overseas to work but their are (or used to be) plenty of customers, local and visitors with plenty of money. If Thailand was much more affluent, then there would be a bigger need to get hookers from Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia, etc. , which has been cracked down on, as was a big means to make a lot of money for traffickers.?[/QUOTE]In general poverty is the result of a relaxed lifestyle, Romania is much more laid back than Sweden or Germany. So the sex trade will not change a lot, Romania is now getting a bit better, but many of the pretty girls switched to webcam because they have easy access to a global audience and Romanians are more open-minded about having video history.

If Bangkok prices increase, it will attract higher quality girls.

The mass trafficked girls are not always the best, they usually include lower quality order fillers and girls who are not interested in the business, so maybe the authorities are doing the right thing. I highly doubt the Thai authorities will be angry if pretty girls become frequent flyers into Bangkok, for now any pretty girl or her BF will not want to work in Bangkok, because the prices are so low and they can make much more Money in higher paying cities. This is the issue with high Quality, high quality will go to high payers, that is why I consider Bangkok economic growth as a good sign. (at least there will be improvement in the high quality category).

Finding pretty looking girls is very hard, making them available to other males is even harder. So its only logical, high quality will not be available to everybody.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2157202]India is also reported to have a very large number of hookers. I can't comment if that industry is miserable or not.[/QUOTE]India has to be the hardest place on Earth for a Punter, the best Indian girls are in the Tri-state region in the USA, followed by the UK and Dubai Indians, those are above average as they might represent selective choices by better off Indian males who had more choices.

In Mumbai the most progressive city in India the only place you will find girls in big numbers is in the ultra-seedy Kamathipura, pimps are Afghan-like types, very pushy and get mad when you refuse to take what they offer, many of the doors have dungeon like gates with actual bars! The place is best described as miserable, average looking rural girls locked up and bored. The few clubs have out of shape light skin girls with ten guys throwing money at her, then the only acceptable option is the massage spas with the always dependable Thai girls, to be fair some of the Thai girls in India are good looking, but the price for FS is 3 x the price in Thailand. The next big place is in Calcutta the formerly Islamic Old Sufi district, interesting historic place that looks like its managed by the same people who manage Kamathipura. Bit more Nepalese and Old Bengali women, Indian punters seem okay with that, as they were actively taking them. So it will remain the same, in the Southern parts of India Massage places will audaciously try to push [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] boys on you and act distraught when you walk away! In Bangladesh its slightly better, but only restricted to Spas and Apts, Decent looking Thai girls work in the spas, maybe a bit better looking than what we the average girl in Nana, but the price is 3 x.

So, the new game at Addict is as follows: they took the better looking gals, put them in street clothes, and are calling them "models. " Asking 4 k Baht for one hour for them. Same gals that were the regular price before and I am sure the same service. Wonder who thinks this is going to bring them more money? What would bring them more money? Keeping the prices the same and raising the performance standards. But with the current attitudes displayed by the P4 P gals in BKK, that would never work.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2157663]So, the new game at Addict is as follows: they took the better looking gals, put them in street clothes, and are calling them "models. " Asking 4 k Baht for one hour for them. Same gals that were the regular price before and I am sure the same service. Wonder who thinks this is going to bring them more money? What would bring them more money? Keeping the prices the same and raising the performance standards. But with the current attitudes displayed by the P4 P gals in BKK, that would never work.[/QUOTE]Damn. Does that mean the "students" on the website are now 4000 baht or is this a different group of girls? I was going to try Mali tomorrow but I'm not paying 4000 baht for her if she was going for 2000 just a few days ago.

[QUOTE=JoseNosay;2157630]India has to be the hardest place on Earth for a Punter, the best Indian girls are in the Tri-state region in the USA, followed by the UK and Dubai Indians, those are above average as they might represent selective choices by better off Indian males who had more choices.

In Mumbai the most progressive city in India the only place you will find girls in big numbers is in the ultra-seedy Kamathipura, pimps are Afghan-like types, very pushy and get mad when you refuse to take what they offer, many of the doors have dungeon like gates with actual bars! The place is best described as miserable, average looking rural girls locked up and bored. The few clubs have out of shape light skin girls with ten guys throwing money at her, then the only acceptable option is the massage spas with the always dependable Thai girls, to be fair some of the Thai girls in India are good looking, but the price for FS is 3 x the price in Thailand. The next big place is in Calcutta the formerly Islamic Old Sufi district, interesting historic place that looks like its managed by the same people who manage Kamathipura..[/QUOTE]Hi bro,

I am not a regular in this forum. I am curious about Thailand mongering and have started visiting Thai forums occasionally.

I am writing to give my opinion on India mongering activity when I saw this post. India has good opportunities. The Areas like Kamathipura are there in each city of India. There are typically Red Light areas or districts with low cost options.

The bars that you mentioned are kind of girl enjoying places and pick up points too. Some have attached ST facility.

Then come massage parlors and spas that are spread over. There are many options in this. FS is rare in SPA and MP however can't be completely ruled out.

Then comes the ST & LT girls with SP and then comes indies. All at a price range and you need to be good bargainer to get a value for money.

For details, India has many forums which you may browse to gain more insight.

Yes, the sex trade is not legal in India as most of the coubtries and you have to be careful about LE. However, all the above that I mentioned have their own way of ensuring safety.

Hope this gives some insight into India.

One question: is Thailand costs are 1/3 of that in India? I don't think so. Kindly advise.

Visited 2/3 times. On Friday selection was dead at 8 pm but sat was better. Had about 6-8 girls so Tried Vicki. From Isan and has baby. To her credit she was reasonably enthusiastic. The overall session was OK, not like the good old days.

Had shower together, lot of DFK and BBBJ in shower and later on. DATY, pussy rubbing and usual positions were all on the menu and cheerfully dispensed. Natural tits. Her body, unfortunately is not my type but still it was not hard to cum LOL.

Candy massage girls were always sitting outside and aggressively soliciting so had to cave in when I could not find anyone doable at other shops in the vicinity. Chose May or June. Short, slightly plump, natural tits and cheerful demeanor. Her stomach has lot of baby damage but her attitude was satisfactory. The session was not a memorable one, no fire crackers here but overall she delivered and tried hard to please with co-ed shower, massage, Russian, fingering etc.

Sadly there was nothing worthwhile in cherry, can cam massage and allstars. These shops used to be well stocked with at least one girl that looked OKAY but not this time.

Things are till sliding or going sideways in BKK massage shops.

1900 bahts and all shops for 1 hour.

SW still is way ahead when comes to performance. Visited multiple times and was able to find one girl every time I was there. The best session was with Nana. This woman still delivers the earth shattering performance that was common 5-10 years ago. Lot of playing, kissing, GFE experience before shower. Lot of deep, deep BJ in shower and more kissing. Hello of lot more NJ and kissing after shower, may be as long as 20 minutes. Incredible stamina. Can take pounding like crazy. Tried many positions. This was certainly the best romp I had during this trip.

Pim is next lady I had. She is kinda beautiful but has a bit full figure. Small, firm boobs and nice smile. But performance was sub par and no where near SW standard.

Kum is another excellent performer at SW. A bit on bulky side as her frame is bigger than normal.

Thai ladies, has decent boobs. Gets taken very fast so book her early. The performance was fantastic, lot of GFE, kissing, DFK, DATY, fingering, anal etc. Very impressed with her skills and highly recommended.

This is clearly not the right thread for discussions about the socio-economics of the sex trade or mongering in India. Kindly take them to a more relevant thread so other people don't have to wade through them before finding the relevant posts.

The students are still 2000 baht. The 4000 baht ones must be a different set of 'supermodels'.

I second Goats' WTF. No girl on 24 is a 4 k thb girl unless you are getting a card of provided pse services and a good look at the body uncovered before hand. I tried 101 last year and the nicer facilities are worth a small amount. But honestly since they did a little facelift on the walls at SW not that big a difference to me. Those addict uniforms are more fantasy and less delivery as they hide too much, even they real beauties get hidden too much. Will be interesting to see how long they can keep up the 4 k. Though as I read everyday it shocks me on the newbie experiences that haven't read and done their research. I am definitely getting cynical, but there are just less and less places left in the world someone isn't trying to run a scam on you. USA is just as bad as others, just done with a bit more class, still too many people trying to get something for nothing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2157663]So, the new game at Addict is as follows: they took the better looking gals, put them in street clothes, and are calling them "models. " Asking 4 k Baht for one hour for them. Same gals that were the regular price before and I am sure the same service. Wonder who thinks this is going to bring them more money? What would bring them more money? Keeping the prices the same and raising the performance standards. But with the current attitudes displayed by the P4 P gals in BKK, that would never work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2158001]I second Goats' WTF. No girl on 24 is a 4 k thb girl unless you are getting a card of provided pse services and a good look at the body uncovered before hand.[/QUOTE]If they really are the same kind of 'supermodels' guys are throwing money at in The Lord then I don't see a problem with it. It gives us an opportunity to try out those girls without the racist surcharge. And if the other girls, including the students, are still 2000 baht then everyone's happy.

If the 4000 baht girls are not worth the money then customers won't pay.

Last Wednesday I was horny and it was a hot afternoon in Bangkok, so I wanted to get a shower.

While passing by I saw this lovely lady (pic attached) who was all sprightly and soliciting with full gutso.

I asked her if I could take a pic, she replied only if I took her.

Normally my decision is based on chemistry. She promised me heaven and more and her eyes did the other half of the job.

I caved in.

Quick shower, BBBJ in shower, but the shower was too small, so I told her to do on bed after shower, lots of touchy touchy in the shower.

She had a tattoo, but it didn't look bad, in fact it added to her badness. 555.

I foamed her ass and cookie, no withdrawal, which gave me an early indication, that A+ might be available.

Dried up, then on to bed, 69 and it was a long 69, maybe a good 15 minutes and she was soaking wet.

I dipped my thumb a few times into her behind and she was fine.

Flipped her over and she pulled out the rubber and asked "front" or "back", that was such a huge turn-on for me, that I decided to go for A+.

And boy o boy what energy! She met every thrust of mine with equally forcefull thrust from her. I felt thoroughly loved and I lasted maybe less than 10 minutes.

2nd round was a repeat but this time I alternated between "front" and "back".

WIR: Yes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2157663]So, the new game at Addict is as follows: they took the better looking gals, put them in street clothes, and are calling them "models. " Asking 4 k Baht for one hour for them. Same gals that were the regular price before and I am sure the same service. Wonder who thinks this is going to bring them more money? What would bring them more money? Keeping the prices the same and raising the performance standards. But with the current attitudes displayed by the P4 P gals in BKK, that would never work.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Amusing. I have yet to see any stunners at Addict, even if a small percentage might be close to model body, so I will be surprised if the 4 k girls would appeal at all. My favourite girl there (long gone) had at best a moderate face (good enough body good 69 and good GFE) Yes I would like to inspect them with their clothes off before choosing, so we can see there is no disaster. However 1 hour? I can't see that being enough for me except when I have been deprived for at least 1 week. LOL.

We might be better to take a top Escort for 2 to 3 hours, especially with a big range of services. LOL.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2157963]

Pim is next lady I had. She is kinda beautiful but has a bit full figure. Small, firm boobs and nice smile. But performance was sub par and no where near SW standard.

Kum is another excellent performer at SW. A bit on bulky side as her frame is bigger than normal.

Thai ladies, has decent boobs. Gets taken very fast so book her early. The performance was fantastic, lot of GFE, kissing, DFK, DATY, fingering, anal etc. Very impressed with her skills and highly recommended.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're using very polite language to describe fat girls. Last time I was in Snow White the mamasan pointed out a girl to me as being young and beautiful with no baby and 'can do backside' but the thing that really struck me about her was her extremely bloated upper arms. Does that sound like Pim or Kum? I can't do fatties.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2158048]Last Wednesday I was horny and it was a hot afternoon in Bangkok, so I wanted to get a shower.

While passing by I saw this lovely lady (pic attached) who was all sprightly and soliciting with full gutso.

I asked her if I could take a pic, she replied only if I took her.

Normally my decision is based on chemistry. She promised me heaven and more and her eyes did the other half of the job.

I caved in.

Quick shower, BBBJ in shower, but the shower was too small, so I told her to do on bed after shower, lots of touchy touchy in the shower.

She had a tattoo, but it didn't look bad, in fact it added to her badness. 555.

I foamed her ass and cookie, no withdrawal, which gave me an early indication, that A+ might be available.

Dried up, then on to bed, 69 and it was a long 69, maybe a good 15 minutes and she was soaking wet.

I dipped my thumb a few times into her behind and she was fine..[/QUOTE]Great report, thanks! Most of Cherry ladies are A+.

[QUOTE=*****man;2158025]If they really are the same kind of 'supermodels' guys are throwing money at in The Lord then I don't see a problem with it. It gives us an opportunity to try out those girls without the racist surcharge. And if the other girls, including the students, are still 2000 baht then everyone's happy.

If the 4000 baht girls are not worth the money then customers won't pay.[/QUOTE]Nope, they are the same gals as last week, the thinner ones, in street clothes. The ones in uniform are the fat ones. I saw some big enough for an eskimo family to live off of for a month.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2158177]Nope, they are the same gals as last week, the thinner ones, in street clothes. The ones in uniform are the fat ones. I saw some big enough for an eskimo family to live off of for a month.[/QUOTE]I phoned them up and asked about the students I was interested in and she said they were still 2000 baht. So if the prettiest students are still 2000 baht I can't see who they would've upgraded to supermodel status.

Unfortunately it's Mali and AA's day off today but I'm definitely giving them a go next week.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2158048]Last Wednesday I was horny and it was a hot afternoon in Bangkok, so I wanted to get a shower.

While passing by I saw this lovely lady (pic attached) who was all sprightly and soliciting with full gutso.

I asked her if I could take a pic, she replied only if I took her.

Normally my decision is based on chemistry. She promised me heaven and more and her eyes did the other half of the job.

I caved in.

Quick shower, BBBJ in shower, but the shower was too small, so I told her to do on bed after shower, lots of touchy touchy in the shower.

She had a tattoo, but it didn't look bad, in fact it added to her badness. 555.

I foamed her ass and cookie, no withdrawal, which gave me an early indication, that A+ might be available.

Dried up, then on to bed, 69 and it was a long 69, maybe a good 15 minutes and she was soaking wet.

I dipped my thumb a few times into her behind and she was fine.

Flipped her over and she pulled out the rubber and asked "front" or "back", that was such a huge turn-on for me, that I decided to go for A+.

And boy o boy what energy! She met every thrust of mine with equally forcefull thrust from her. I felt thoroughly loved and I lasted maybe less than 10 minutes.

2nd round was a repeat but this time I alternated between "front" and "back".

WIR: Yes.[/QUOTE]She looks like Wan (ex Mango) - one of the best.

[QUOTE=*****man;2158192]I phoned them up and asked about the students I was interested in and she said they were still 2000 baht. So if the prettiest students are still 2000 baht I can't see who they would've upgraded to supermodel status.

Unfortunately it's Mali and AA's day off today but I'm definitely giving them a go next week.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. The gals they wanted the big bucks for were all in street clothes. Will pop in again early in the week and have another look. Perhaps an already failed weekend experiment?

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2158196]She looks like Wan (ex Mango) - one of the best.[/QUOTE]That's who it is. Albeit with a few more years on her.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2158213]That's who it is. Albeit with a few more years on her.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the confirmation, I took Wan before and she rocked my world. (There's a report somewhere on this board about our encounter). I am over in Bangkok in May and plan to repeat with Aom in SW, and now Wan (Venus) in Cherry. Does anyone know if and where Cash (May? Is now? I lost contact with her when Bongkot closed and would like to repeat, Last I heard, She was in SW now and then.

Thanks,

[QUOTE==*****man;2158025]If they really are the same kind of 'supermodels' guys are throwing money at in The Lord then I don't see a problem with it. It gives us an opportunity to try out those girls without the racist surcharge. And if the other girls, including the students, are still 2000 baht then everyone's happy.

If the 4000 baht girls are not worth the money then customers won't pay.[/QUOTE]Those 4000 baht models don't do CIM. Only foolish newbies will pay 4000 baht for those models.

[QUOTE=*****man;2158192]I phoned them up and asked about the students I was interested in and she said they were still 2000 baht. So if the prettiest students are still 2000 baht I can't see who they would've upgraded to supermodel status.

Unfortunately it's Mali and AA's day off today but I'm definitely giving them a go next week.[/QUOTE]For Mali, you have to book her and confirm the booking before you go. Last time I booked her at 11 am in the morning. I showed up but she didn't. I re-booked her at 2 pm and called in prior to my arrival to ensure she was in the shop. Both the shop and Mali apologized about the mess up but it was really annoying. The session was as good as last time at be&be Entertainment.

[QUOTE=*****man;2158118]Sounds like you're using very polite language to describe fat girls. Last time I was in Snow White the mamasan pointed out a girl to me as being young and beautiful with no baby and 'can do backside' but the thing that really struck me about her was her extremely bloated upper arms. Does that sound like Pim or Kum? I can't do fatties.[/QUOTE]Kum is bigger than Pim who is 20% bigger than Other girls.

Hi guys,

Which girl would you recommend for hard sex with good anal skills? She doesn't have to be the prettiest.

Best regards.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2158336]Those 4000 baht models don't do CIM. Only foolish newbies will pay 4000 baht for those models.[/QUOTE]Is there some kind of odd thought process among some punters that by paying more and getting less, they are somehow getting something more "exclusive?" I certainly wonder.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2158557]Is there some kind of odd thought process among some punters that by paying more and getting less, they are somehow getting something more "exclusive?" I certainly wonder.[/QUOTE]In my case, it is not about being exclusive. I am prepared to pay more than the basic rate for girls that I am very keen repeat, and the more desperate I am to repeat them, the more I could add to the price.

This naturally does not apply to guys who get bored with girls very quick and don't want much in the way of repeats.

A significant for me, outside of having reasonable skill levels, is certainly attitude. Eager and lovey dovey sweet types suite me, also seemingly horny chicks.

The other important thing is looks. I am prepared to go a bit more for extra hot perfect body (small non saggy tits acceptable). I am also prepared to go extra for a very pretty face. I just can't be bothered fucking ugly girls or disaster bodies, regardless of how cheap they might be going. A stunning face is worth something to me, as is a stunning ass, or stunning pussy. I could not even be bothered to fuck ugly girls for free.

This is a form of discrimination, I know. No matter how nice a girl is in character, horrible looks just will not excite. I just don't see the point in fucking sub-standard girls, when my GF still looks really good at 40.

I don't discriminate on where a girl comes from, race, or skin colour (within limits), nor age within limits, buts looks yes absolutely. It is not at all like food. Food can look ugly but taste amazing.

As a guy with a rather non sensitive dick, looks of the girl make quite a difference to my stimulation levels. I accept different guys look for different things. The girl has to be sexy enough and good looking enough to make my dick rise. Often the hard on is helped greatly DFK, light touching, and fingering pussy. Great DFK seems to get me hard even quicker than a great BBBJ, but I have no interest to kiss girls that are not appealing. Go figure.

Having said that beautiful girls are worth more, there are probably limits. Most of the high priced girls in The Lord are not really my spec, so are not convincing me to spend 4 k to 6 k. A super stunner will probably convince me easily, it's just they don't have that many girls that are really naturally more beautiful by enough margin to justify the price, and the service is still a crap shoot.

It comes down to much risk a girl's looks are worth. However I hardly can fuck girls that I believe are average looking or worse. Not worth my time. If can get great lookers with good attitude, for a bargain basement price, that is fabulous. It's not easy though. I tried some girls on street in Soi 4 for low prices, however in the end, just decided they weren't good enough in looks even if some fucked pretty good. Price isn't everything.

I suppose some guys would be embarrassed to be seen on the arm of fat ugly girls. In an MP they avoid that. LOL

She looks absolutely lovely, what a good find. Going to be in Bangkok this weekend, hopefully I can take this lovely chick for an outing. Any indication where I can find her. Is she a freelancer, does she have a space. Will it be worth it to for LT and spend the entire night eating her pussy.

SL.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2158048]Last Wednesday I was horny and it was a hot afternoon in Bangkok, so I wanted to get a shower.

While passing by I saw this lovely lady (pic attached) who was all sprightly and soliciting with full gutso.

I asked her if I could take a pic, she replied only if I took her.

Normally my decision is based on chemistry. She promised me heaven and more and her eyes did the other half of the job.

I caved in.

Quick shower, BBBJ in shower, but the shower was too small, so I told her to do on bed after shower, lots of touchy touchy in the shower..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2158420]For Mali, you have to book her and confirm the booking before you go. Last time I booked her at 11 am in the morning. I showed up but she didn't. I re-booked her at 2 pm and called in prior to my arrival to ensure she was in the shop. Both the shop and Mali apologized about the mess up but it was really annoying. The session was as good as last time at be&be Entertainment.[/QUOTE]She's proving elusive. Not available Sunday afternoon or Monday evening due to being at school.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2158420]For Mali, you have to book her and confirm the booking before you go. Last time I booked her at 11 am in the morning. I showed up but she didn't. I re-booked her at 2 pm and called in prior to my arrival to ensure she was in the shop. Both the shop and Mali apologized about the mess up but it was really annoying. The session was as good as last time at be&be Entertainment.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, Booking a girl in the future is somewhat problematic. No one knows if she will show or not.

My procedure: "Is Mali working today?" yes. "Is she already at the shop?" Yes, then finally "Can I book her for 15 minutes from now?" This method generally works fairly well, but helps I speak Thai. Sometimes the girl is busy and I have to take a later time. However I never go to the shop for a specific girl without ringing first, unless just happen to be passing by.

If book an appointment for the future, always have to ring say 30 minutes before appointment to reconfirm everything is going to work out. Chances are it won't or at least have to change the booking time.

I am not referring to Mali in particular, just in general. In many shops future date bookings may well be completely useless. The problem is the future is very hard to predict with Hookers. Perhaps some girls in some shops are reliable, I don't know, but I don't like to assume it.

Sometimes used to LINE the girl directly. Will you work today? What time I should call shop to try to book?

[QUOTE=*****man;2158647]She's proving elusive. Not available Sunday afternoon or Monday evening due to being at school.[/QUOTE]She is busy with school, and also involved with some social charity volunteer work. On her FB, she has one "relationship" and 1450 followers. Busy lady.

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2158508]Hi guys,

Which girl would you recommend for hard sex with good anal skills? She doesn't have to be the prettiest.

Best regards.[/QUOTE]If you are an anal sex fan, you should definitely go to Tulip Massage. Most of the girls there will offer hard anal sex. You should tell the girls what you want during the lineup

Beach road was well stocked but quality is completely elusive now. Most girls want to talk about boom boom within a min or two of conversation. The looks were extremely disappointing. I don't know if situation is any better in bars but on BR 600/800 shots are hopeless romps. I didn't see many Japanese or Europeans on this trip at least on BR. Had 3 pickups in one evening. One was so so. 2nd had good body but ugly face but at least could speak reasonable English. 3rd was excellent and provided good GFE.

My biggest problem s wit Pattaya are a total lack of good looking girls on BR. I am sure I need to up the game and start pickups from bars and agogos.

So how much does a ST cost with a bar girl in your hotel room? Can someone please tell me?

TIA.

Hi guys,

I am visiting Bangkok for first time. My trip is for 3 days and I want to try little bit of everything. Would really appreciate your input on following.

1. What are good oil massage places that offer best PSE (rimming included)? Added bonus if the place also has lookers. Planning to visit may be top 3 or 4 places.

2. What are good soapies that offer PSE and have beautiful girls. I want to have a memorable soapie massage session. Willing to spend $$.

3. Any suggestions for soapies / oilies that offer threesomes? Want to do a nasty threesome session with girls who are freaks and willing to satisfy.

Any inputs are much appreciated. Will post a detailed review of my encounters if I end up doing sessions with any of the recommended providers. Thanks in advance.

Finally landed back here and the first night headed to Nyan Nyan in soi33. I previously liked their selection and the service, and the nuru gel makes it extra special. Have had great experiences here in the past (see my previous report). As usual was presented with a folder with pictures, but the talent seems to have more or less disappeared. Found one to my liking called Ari and waited to see her in person (this is acceptable here) before paying 2200 for 1 hour. Service was the usual, shower together, Nuru gel massage for 10-15 minutes, flip over and BBBJ. Capped and tried multiple positions. No DFK provided but service was a little above average. WIR? Maybe not as the quality of lookers have sharply dropped. Will be trying other places too soon and any recommendations will be appreciated and of course reports will follow which I usually do. Looking for lookers and DFK in general but will visit SW for sure as I usually do though it focuses more on service. (See escorts page for my experiences with incall soon too Bangkok page for nana experiences will follow shortly too).

Please see my replies inline.

[QUOTE=SunnyJohn2050;2159085]Hi guys,

I am visiting Bangkok for first time. My trip is for 3 days and I want to try little bit of everything. Would really appreciate your input on following.

1. What are good oil massage places that offer best PSE (rimming included)? Added bonus if the place also has lookers. Planning to visit may be top 3 or 4 places. - Tulip (at BTS Thong lo), Cherry (soi 24/1) , snowwhite (soi 26), Mango (soi24)

2. What are good soapies that offer PSE and have beautiful girls. I want to have a memorable soapie massage session. Willing to spend $$. - Sopies don't offer PSE, the only soapy that comes close will be Annies

3. Any suggestions for soapies / oilies that offer threesomes? Want to do a nasty threesome session with girls who are freaks and willing to satisfy. - Eden at soi 7/1

Any inputs are much appreciated. Will post a detailed review of my encounters if I end up doing sessions with any of the recommended providers. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]- Will advice to go overnite with any ladies from these bars listed above.

She works for a shop called Cherry Massage in soi 24/1.

Her name is Venus.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2158621]She looks absolutely lovely, what a good find. Going to be in Bangkok this weekend, hopefully I can take this lovely chick for an outing. Any indication where I can find her. Is she a freelancer, does she have a space. Will it be worth it to for LT and spend the entire night eating her pussy.

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2158508]Hi guys,

Which girl would you recommend for hard sex with good anal skills? She doesn't have to be the prettiest.

Best regards.[/QUOTE]For me now it is.

Venus at Cherry massage soi 24/1.

And she is pretty too.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2158229]Thanks a lot for the confirmation, I took Wan before and she rocked my world. (There's a report somewhere on this board about our encounter). I am over in Bangkok in May and plan to repeat with Aom in SW, and now Wan (Venus) in Cherry. Does anyone know if and where Cash (May? Is now? I lost contact with her when Bongkot closed and would like to repeat, Last I heard, She was in SW now and then.

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Dunno about Cash, but May is married and happily settled with her dude in some western country.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2159420]Dunno about Cash, but May is married and happily settled with her dude in some western country.[/QUOTE]Cash (April) is currently managing a pharmacy on Sukhumvit quite near Tulip.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2159414]Please see my replies inline.

- Will advice to go overnite with any ladies from these bars listed above.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the inputs. I thought Annie is closed. Isn't it? And any recommendations for who to select in Eden?

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2159417]For me now it is.

Venus at Cherry massage soi 24/1.

And she is pretty too.[/QUOTE]In web pics, Cathy is closer to my spec, to be a possible for me. How is she for GFE and general skills? I don't require anal.

Is Yok slim or overweight these days? Obviously I know her skills. LOL. her current web pics look O.K.

I don't think Candy massage has ever had much for pretty girls, but we could say the same for most of these types of Oilies. Compromise on looks to get a good service is the name of the game, I am sure. In my case the shop is irrelevant. It is only about finding a girl that suits me, preferably well above average looks (hard to do).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159446]In web pics, Cathy is closer to my spec, to be a possible for me. How is she for GFE and general skills? I don't require anal.

Is Yok slim or overweight these days? Obviously I know her skills. LOL. her current web pics look O.K.

I don't think Candy massage has ever had much for pretty girls, but we could say the same for most of these types of Oilies. Compromise on looks to get a good service is the name of the game, I am sure. In my case the shop is irrelevant. It is only about finding a girl that suits me, preferably well above average looks (hard to do).[/QUOTE]Yok's had twins I believe. Did a lot of damage.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2158709]She is busy with school, and also involved with some social charity volunteer work. On her FB, she has one "relationship" and 1450 followers. Busy lady.[/QUOTE]Latest update on Mali is that she'll be back next month. I think she might have stopped working there for good though. The best girls tend not to hang around soi 24 for long.

Any other suggestions for a young, slim, baby-free girl?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159446]In web pics, Cathy is closer to my spec, to be a possible for me. How is she for GFE and general skills? I don't require anal.
[/QUOTE]You got an answer to that question a year ago:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2008945&viewfull=1#post2008945[/URL].

She's been on your list for a year and you still haven't tried her.

Has anyone been to EZ massage 1? I have not seen any reports here of it and there are quite a few I fancy from the line up at ez1 rather than ez2. If you have then can you share the details. Some girls are B5000 for 2 hours, does that mean 2 shots too?

[QUOTE=Sum12;2159576]Has anyone been to EZ massage 1? I have not seen any reports here of it and there are quite a few I fancy from the line up at ez1 rather than ez2. If you have then can you share the details. Some girls are B5000 for 2 hours, does that mean 2 shots too?[/QUOTE]There seems no EZ1 anymore. Both EZ1 and EZ2 are combined with Allstars in the allay of Soi 24-1. Better call them to confirm.

[QUOTE=*****man;2159498]You got an answer to that question a year ago:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2008945&viewfull=1#post2008945[/URL].

She's been on your list for a year and you still haven't tried her.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Alzheimer's setting in. She probably wasn't exactly my top priority, just potentially adequate looks. Last time I walked in Soi 24/1, I picked Pin at Boss as she was best looking to me of those sitting outside in the Soi, at the time. Being over 30 did not worry me. In truth I have had very few Oily visits in total for the last year. Pin would still be on my priority list ahead of untried girls. She was my only new girl try for this year, that I can recall now (with bad memory for girls not worth repeating). My attendance at Soapies and Oilies has fallen right away in general, with few girls considered pretty enough and fun enough to keep repeating. So Pin was an exception.

Any natural stunner could hook me for a try though. I need to go looking a lot more regularly, in order to find any.

Now that memory is getting worse, I probably need to keep a diary of all girls tried, and those on the prospective list. I keep meaning to try some Escorts soon, but have been so slow to get around to it, and then I have a few model like beauties at Billboard to consider for a try.

6 regular girls has been enough for me mostly, 4 with big tits, and only one with small, which is strange for me normally going for skinny girls.

So my priorities are: looks (preferred natural), fun and GFE, and then skills, where I suspect most guys are going in opposite order. Great when we can find girls with high score for all 3, of course. If any one of these is completely missing, then girl becomes unworthwhile, although lack of skills can be tolerated by me if girl can still be fun. I have taken pretty girls with braces who could not do a decent BBBJ. Sometimes get a girl with an ulcer or tooth ache who doesn't want to give a BBBJ at all, yet I still had a good time.

My time available for researching new girls is getting less and less. Heading towards monger semi-retirement most likely. Good luck to you guys who get to look through the Oilies every week, to see what is "really" available, where guys like me have only vague idea with very few girls known.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159888]
Good luck to you guys who get to look through the Oilies every week, to see what is "really" available, where guys like me have only vague idea with very few girls known.[/QUOTE]I do it every week but find the best girls have to be booked in advance so just turning up and looking round doesn't work well. For example, answering your post yesterday made me want to go and try Cathy but when I turned up she was busy so I ended up with Grace, who is at least baby-free but average in other respects.

I think once you've identified a girl you want to try you need to just go and try her. Stop making excuses and just go and try Cathy, but make sure you book ahead.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2159417]For me now it is.

Venus at Cherry massage soi 24/1.

And she is pretty too.[/QUOTE]How about BB from Cherry she has also good skills in anal? She looks pretty too.

And maybe you could compare Venus, Cherry, and Aom (Snow White), which one likes the most hard sex?

There is also Candy (Snow White), yes?

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2160148]How about BB from Cherry she has also good skills in anal? She looks pretty too.

And maybe you could compare Venus, Cherry, and Aom (Snow White), which one likes the most hard sex?

There is also Candy (Snow White), yes?[/QUOTE]BB has a very detached attitude which makes for a less than vibrant session. She is also heavier than in her Cherry pics, which are from a few years ago. The really sad part of this is all three of these gals would have been very middle of the road a few years ago at any of the PSE oilies due in no small part to their looks. Now mediocre has become superstar.

[QUOTE=*****man;2159933]I do it every week but find the best girls have to be booked in advance so just turning up and looking round doesn't work well. For example, answering your post yesterday made me want to go and try Cathy but when I turned up she was busy so I ended up with Grace, who is at least baby-free but average in other respects.

I think once you've identified a girl you want to try you need to just go and try her. Stop making excuses and just go and try Cathy, but make sure you book ahead.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I have this thing where I need to see a girl and find her appealing in the flesh, before trying. Pics are deceiving and other guys opinions are often different to my own. Also I pointed out that Cathy is not my top priority anyway. I might do if other higher priorities are not there. I don't need to try girls, unless they are stunning, or I have nothing better to do. I would rather take Pin at Boss again, because I enjoyed the last session. I don't have lots of Oily girl sessions in recent times that were better than her or even equal.

You are welcome to try Cathy yourself, but I don't tell others what to do. They can decide for themselves. I often take no girl rather than get second best or average girls.

It is extremely rare I have found a girl that I want to repeat often based on recommendation of someone else. Usually the best info I get is that a shop is worth having a look at. Last year I did try some girl recommended and was quite disappointed in her looks and performance, or maybe was just my lack of excitement. Previous to that I tried a Snow White girl recommended, and again no repeat for me. So I treat a strong recommendation as meaning that it is possible to have a good time with the girl if you happen to click, but there is no guarantees. It is better for me to simply check if guys believe web pics are accurate or not.

I take your point about girls busy and needing to book. This means I have to get lucky. In my visits to Tulip over last few years (not many), I probably never met the better looking girls there. It is a lot easier for me to show up at a bar at 9PM and most of the best looking girls are still there, maybe just arriving. At least I get to see them even if they have another customer. I can then decide if I want to come back for a particular girl another day. It is harder to see all the best looking girls working at an Oily, unless someone has worked out a strategy for that. One of my methods of the past was to see a stunning girl walking on the street, and observe which Oily shop she went into. This was based on pure luck though. 3 times I used this approach in total. It is good to see a girl outside in the daylight, so walking past shops in Soi 24/1, Soi 24 sub-sois and 33 and seeing girls outside is helpful. That is how I got Pin, first time, and indeed most of my repeated Oily girls in last few years. Takes a lot more time if have to go inside and request a line up, which does not impress the staff when refuse to take any of the girls.

Going to Bangkok in a month. Last time I was there was a few years back. Apple was a SUPERSTAR at cherrys. I wanted to try the next superstar if you would prefer to PM me that's cool. I see yok in cherrys and she looks good from the pics but I know how that works. I also banged a very attractive waittress in soi 11 hillary 3 across from the presendential palace. She was very pretty and big boobs white skin named beer. Anyone have a utr they want to recommend?

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2160241]Going to Bangkok in a month. Last time I was there was a few years back. Apple was a SUPERSTAR at cherrys. I wanted to try the next superstar if you would prefer to PM me that's cool. I see yok in cherrys and she looks good from the pics but I know how that works. I also banged a very attractive waittress in soi 11 hillary 3 across from the presendential palace. She was very pretty and big boobs white skin named beer. Anyone have a utr they want to recommend?[/QUOTE]There is nothing at any of the shops even close to Apple these days; that is if you are talking about the Apple that started and Mango and then went to Cherry when her "sister" Cherry opened Cherry.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160209] Takes a lot more time if have to go inside and request a line up, which does not impress the staff when refuse to take any of the girls.[/QUOTE]I walk out quite a bit, which causes eyes to roll when I visit again. Sorry, if the quality is not there, it is not there and I'm not going to waste my money. Recently there seems to be more and more guys just walking out, both Asian and Western. My good mate was in the shops yesterday and saw quite a few groups of Asian guys leave venues having not partaken. The gals are complaining, but hey, it's their fault. Truthfully the looks are not going to get any better so they are going to have to up their game service wise. And for sure, most of the gals in the "biz" are just not going to do this. They like the idea of making money, but just can't seem to get their heads around the fact and accept that they are in the P4 P industry, instead trying to get away with as little as they can. I was amazed that some gals on 24/1 do not offer full service. That is just astounding. Instead of denying what job they do, embracing it, developing a great set of skills, being able to read the customer and monitor and adjust to individual likes is their key to success. But that would entail letting themselves loose and really embracing the fact that they are working gals, and with the current conservative trend amongst Thai women, that is just was too difficult to do.

Had a chat with Sandy from Addict one day. She is constantly booked because she delivers excellent service. Instead of taking her advice, which she has offered, the other gals in Addict just continue to provide less than stellar service and remain angry at and jealous of Sandy.

Yeah her. I had the pleasure of pounding her out. She later went back to a village to become a florist I think. She was amazing so tight in all holee for all the cock she took. She was showing me some family pics but we had to scroll through hundreds of pics of her taking dick from white, indian, black, asian cocks so I know she was highly in demand from everyone. Whos the superstar now and where can she be had?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2160268]There is nothing at any of the shops even close to Apple these days; that is if you are talking about the Apple that started and Mango and then went to Cherry when her "sister" Cherry opened Cherry.[/QUOTE]

In my previous visits I had fair service from Dream Heaven so wanted to give it a try again. I like to vary my experiences from different places and checked out their website. Some girls looked more or less of my preference. So headed there and was shown the line up. Well the website pictures girls were there but up close they did not look as stunning. Pictures were fairly airbrushed I guess and were probably taken from their very best angles. I chose New but I regretted it once in the room. Took Nuru massage for B2200. In the room shower, hardly any talk or chemistry. Worst massage ever and some rubbing which was definitely not nuru gel. That lasted 5 minutes. Then she grabbed my cock and stroked it and did as if she was licking my body but all she was doing was rubbing her lips to my nipples. I went with it. Then she capped me without even a BJ and rode me for 10 sec complaining away. I changed to missionary and in 10 sec she was already whinning. Turned her to doggy and tried my best to cum as quickly as I could. Finished and I was off in the shower alone washing myself. Headed out as soon as I finished never to return again.

[QUOTE=Sum12;2160385]In my previous visits I had fair service from Dream Heaven so wanted to give it a try again. I like to vary my experiences from different places and checked out their website. Some girls looked more or less of my preference. So headed there and was shown the line up. Well the website pictures girls were there but up close they did not look as stunning. Pictures were fairly airbrushed I guess and were probably taken from their very best angles. I chose New but I regretted it once in the room. Took Nuru massage for B2200. In the room shower, hardly any talk or chemistry. Worst massage ever and some rubbing which was definitely not nuru gel. That lasted 5 minutes. Then she grabbed my cock and stroked it and did as if she was licking my body but all she was doing was rubbing her lips to my nipples. I went with it. Then she capped me without even a BJ and rode me for 10 sec complaining away. I changed to missionary and in 10 sec she was already whinning. Turned her to doggy and tried my best to cum as quickly as I could. Finished and I was off in the shower alone washing myself. Headed out as soon as I finished never to return again.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't try new places without a recommendation. The chances of a dud experience are too high. I've had crap like that in Addict in the past so there's no way I'm just going to go in there and pick a girl based on looks without a strong recommendation on this forum.

Went to SW around 2:30 pm, shop was busy and only 8 girls available. Chose Pim for 1 HR-1900 baht, she have silicon boobs and a bit of stretch marks. Got a "VIP" room because all the small rooms was busy. The lights in the room were very soft.

She was very friendly, smiling and act like a Japanese JAV LOL. Shower together with some FK and body to body slide but no BBBJ. Sat on the couch and she knelt in front of me for some BBBJ (not so great. Average). Move on the bed and she oiled all her body and start to gave me some body massage and boobs job with some FK and licking here and there alternate with BBBJ but no rimjob. Condom on and slowly went into her ass (tight hole, strange for a SW's girl LOL). Fucked only her ass in several position and finish with CIM.

10 min left so took shower together, dress up on leave. Nice session, but not the great PSE you could expect in this store.

It may be gross to some fellow monger. Pardon me if you don't like this post. Just wondering if there's any shop that will let me satisfy my exhibitionist fantasy by leaving the room door open when my massage lady and I do the deed.

Been a regular at the oilies for well over a decade now and up until now have never left mid-session due to poor performance. After the glowing report on Venus at Cherry (former Wan from Mango), I decided to give her a try. Entered, saw the lineup and even though she is a bit old for my liking I pulled the trigger. And her body does look old with some vestiges of childbirth. From the moment she returned and we disrobed she could not stop complaining about how big my unit was. Folks, I'm no John Holmes. On and on about it in the shower with very little play. Then onto the bed and she did not want to kiss due to my very sparse 5 o'clock shadow. BJ was very one dimensional with no variation, no rimming, or ball play whatsoever. Seemed to sort of enjoy DATY, but then when the condom when on it was "jep, jep, jep" and grimace grimace grimace. A + of course was completely out of the question. About 25 min into what was supposed to be 60 or 90, I just pulled out, took a shower and headed downstairs as there was no way I was going to finish. Told the mamasan that I was not happy and she offered another gal, but my mood was gone. She offered a reduced rate, which I really appreciated, and I went on my way. Happy with the way the mamasan handled the situation, but still very perturbed that I spent anything at all and got no comeuppance. I should have stayed home and beat the bishop. So folks, one glowing report does not a superstar make; not by a long shot.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2160873]Been a regular at the oilies for well over a decade now and up until now have never left mid-session due to poor performance. After the glowing report on Venus at Cherry (former Wan from Mango), I decided to give her a try. Entered, saw the lineup and even though she is a bit old for my liking I pulled the trigger. And her body does look old with some vestiges of childbirth. From the moment she returned and we disrobed she could not stop complaining about how big my unit was. Folks, I'm no John Holmes. On and on about it in the shower with very little play. Then onto the bed and she did not want to kiss due to my very sparse 5 o'clock shadow. BJ was very one dimensional with no variation, no rimming, or ball play whatsoever. Seemed to sort of enjoy DATY, but then when the condom when on it was "jep, jep, jep" and grimace grimace grimace. A + of course was completely out of the question. About 25 min into what was supposed to be 60 or 90, I just pulled out, took a shower and headed downstairs as there was no way I was going to finish. Told the mamasan that I was not happy and she offered another gal, but my mood was gone. She offered a reduced rate, which I really appreciated, and I went on my way. Happy with the way the mamasan handled the situation, but still very perturbed that I spent anything at all and got no comeuppance. I should have stayed home and beat the bishop. So folks, one glowing report does not a superstar make; not by a long shot.[/QUOTE]This I just cannot understand. Goatscrot, I do not doubt your experience but I am utterly gobsmacked. I've tried View from Tulip, Momay from SW and from my experience with Wan, I would put her right up there.

Hi guys,

I have been to BKK quite often but can't get my full satisfaction. My preferences are for a gorgeous beautiful girl but never seem to find her. $$ not important for me. Can anybody help what is best place to find, or book a beautiful girl? Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2160876]This I just cannot understand. Goatscrot, I do not doubt your experience but I am utterly gobsmacked. I've tried View from Tulip, Momay from SW and from my experience with Wan, I would put her right up there.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I was appalled. As a regular the mamasan knows that I would not complain. I think Venus (Wan) was a bit on edge and acknowledged that it was not so good. Maybe some dude with a 14 inch johnson just finished railing her.

I always found View to be a bit meh, but Momay was one of the best ever. A good looking gal who was just as filthy as they come with the most beautiful dirty mind. There are very few that I would place in that category. I remember my first session with her when she was new at SW. Don't think she had taken it up the pooper too much and she started bleeding. Thought she would freak out, but she just laughed, grabbed a tissue, and told me "next time. " Each subsequent session with her was better. She liked to leave her high heels on stand on the floor with one knee on the bed with her nicely spread ass facing the mirror while she was blowing you. What a treasure that gal was.
Leena certainly has the dirty mind, but just is not all that to look at. I just can't go there again.
Golf has the skills, no doubt, but it is very obvious that she is just going through the motions.
Cherry, who retired from Tulip a couple of years ago had that certain nastiness about her as well. A bit overweight, but no baby and one of the most well textured snatches I have ever been in. She would always get a sheepish smile while I was buried balls deep in her keister while on all fours. One time while in that position she said, "you're number 4 today. " Just pure raunch and intensity.
Min former SW and Tulip (Tom from Tulip) was also amazing. Again, no baby. Had regular sessions with her for about 5 years and honestly, every time she tried a new trick. She was always perfecting her skill set. And the most unreal BJ. Could always get shot 2 out of me off in 5 min or less with that mouth. Cherry and Min also gave amazing massages in between rounds. I'd leave empty and relaxed. Both gone for 2 years and I have not found replacements.
Truthfully I am kind of at my wits end trying to find the combination of looks, performance, and filthy attitude these days. I just don't think it exists anymore at any price.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2160888]Honestly, I was appalled. As a regular the mamasan knows that I would not complain. I think Venus (Wan) was a bit on edge and acknowledged that it was not so good. Maybe some dude with a 14 inch johnson just finished railing her.

I always found View to be a bit meh, but Momay was one of the best ever. A good looking gal who was just as filthy as they come with the most beautiful dirty mind. There are very few that I would place in that category. I remember my first session with her when she was new at SW. Don't think she had taken it up the pooper too much and she started bleeding. Thought she would freak out, but she just laughed, grabbed a tissue, and told me "next time. " Each subsequent session with her was better. She liked to leave her high heels on stand on the floor with one knee on the bed with her nicely spread ass facing the mirror while she was blowing you. What a treasure that gal was.
Leena certainly has the dirty mind, but just is not all that to look at. I just can't go there again.
Golf has the skills, no doubt, but it is very obvious that she is just going through the motions.
Cherry, who retired from Tulip a couple of years ago had that certain nastiness about her as well. A bit overweight, but no baby and one of the most well textured snatches I have ever been in. She would always get a sheepish smile while I was buried balls deep in her keister while on all fours. One time while in that position she said, "you're number 4 today. " Just pure raunch and intensity.
Min former SW and Tulip (Tom from Tulip) was also amazing. Again, no baby. Had regular sessions with her for about 5 years and honestly, every time she tried a new trick. She was always perfecting her skill set. And the most unreal BJ. Could always get shot 2 out of me off in 5 min or less with that mouth. Cherry and Min also gave amazing massages in between rounds. I'd leave empty and relaxed. Both gone for 2 years and I have not found replacements.
Truthfully I am kind of at my wits end trying to find the combination of looks, performance, and filthy attitude these days. I just don't think it exists anymore at any price.[/QUOTE]Momay is still freelancing and available.

[QUOTE=Sum12;2159576]Has anyone been to EZ massage 1? I have not seen any reports here of it and there are quite a few I fancy from the line up at ez1 rather than ez2. If you have then can you share the details. Some girls are B5000 for 2 hours, does that mean 2 shots too?[/QUOTE]I've visited both shops now, and I can say the pictures of the particularly young ones are rather accurate, but the 25 and up not so much. Performance is extremely inconsistent, but the ones I had trouble with performance I chose for their looks and not their skill, so it's kind of a win lose situation. As far as the shots thing, it should be, but I'v never bothered, just make it clear up front. I don't get why the some are 5 k and some aren't. Many of the real lookers aren't. If I could make a suggestion about the 5 k options, don't bother, I've had a couple of them prior to the price increase. Just stick with the normal gals.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2160877]Hi guys,

I have been to BKK quite often but can't get my full satisfaction. My preferences are for a gorgeous beautiful girl but never seem to find her. $$ not important for me. Can anybody help what is best place to find, or book a beautiful girl? Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]Ha ha! These super beautiful girls are scarce as hen's teeth. The other problem is our tastes vary. What banana Boi sees as very beautiful has no interest for me and visa versa, usually. Then if you do find a real beauty at a distance, when you get close, you see she is not quite so stunning. I had the odd stunner over the years, to my taste, in Oilies, or bars, or Soapies, but they all disappeared.

I don't currently have one. You only want to spend $$. That is tough If you spend $$ it will be easier. LOL If money is no problem, try The Lord Massage. I find it tough to find a perfect girl for me even there. For a bit cheaper, try Billboard if you like slim model types.

I have had one really great girl from there, and another looker who was a bit apprehensive and lacking skills.

For Oily massage, don't know any stunners there currently. Have had some before. The very pretty girls with great service never lasted long. I did enjoy June on and off for years but she wasn't quite stunning. Bai fern was stunning for me, and only got her twice. Gaew was stunning and maybe took her 5 times. The other one who had magnificent body, got to try just once, forgetting the name just now. So this is problem. You find one, then how to keep in touch and keep getting her?

Most gorgeous bar girls, got limited times as well.

Visited Snow White after ages and asked for Bonus but she was not in today. Saw the line up and choose Emmy for an hour. Candy was in too and looking lovely but as I have booked her in my previous visits wanted someone different.

Emmy was bubbly and chatty. In the shower and out within 5 minutes, she got down to business. Though not a looker (possibly in my opinion 4-5) the dimming of the lights which is usual in all places helped. She gave amazing BBBJ and rimming. A couple of seconds of deep throat too. Sex in multiple positions and as I finished round 1, she asked if I was in for a second round. The experience was out of this world and I was drained out so asked her to give me a massage which chatting.

While I am more of a looks person, Snow White is one place where I think if the girl is a 5 then it is worth it just for the great service they provide. Will try to book Bonus another day and if not then will settle for Candy before I leave. Possibly only snow White and tulip are the only places that provide such great service. Are there any such other places? Have visited Tulip only once in the past. Wish Tulip had a website to see what's in the menu before visiting there.

[QUOTE=Sum12;2161273] Will try to book Bonus another day and if not then settle for Candy before I leave. [/QUOTE]Is Bonus still around? I haven't seen her for ages. If you find her let us know.

[QUOTE=*****man;2161738]Is Bonus still around? I haven't seen her for ages. If you find her let us know.[/QUOTE]She hasn't worked at SW for quite some time. Did a quick stint in Cherry and then off the map. She was trying to finish school and had hopes of opening a small coffee shop.

Boss massage reports Pin does not work there any more. That means a I got to try just once 2 or 3 months ago.
Previous check, they reported on holiday with return not known.

The desired repeat fun (non hard case) girls often don't last that long. Ha ha. Possibly get tired of difficult customers very quickly?

I rarely collect contact info on first meeting unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162084]Boss massage reports Pin does not work there any more. That means a I got to try just once 2 or 3 months ago.
Previous check, they reported on holiday with return not known.

The desired repeat fun (non hard case) girls often don't last that long. Ha ha. Possibly get tired of difficult customers very quickly?

I rarely collect contact info on first meeting unfortunately.[/QUOTE]She 's been working in that shop for a very long time. Surely more than 2 years, not a bad record to stay that long in such a soi in my opinion.

[QUOTE=*****man;2161738]Is Bonus still around? I haven't seen her for ages. If you find her let us know.[/QUOTE]Yes I confirm that too. Called them today to book Bonus but unlike what they told me before this time they told me she does not work there anymore.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2162128]She 's been working in that shop for a very long time. Surely more than 2 years, not a bad record to stay that long in such a soi in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I first discovered Pin there on 28 Feb this year.

I was not aware of any previous review of her, perhaps not attentive on the forum. LOL It surprises me if she was there for 2 years just a little, but quite possible. Her attitude was very much for fun, so seemed fresh enough.

I must have done the rounds of Oilies at least a few times in 2 years but never saw her. I did have a regular pretty girl at New Massage in Soi 33 for a while but had lost her for a least a year. Also had a pretty girl in Orient last year for a short time, as she did not last long. Lost interest in Mango girls.

Its never been easy for me to find definite repeat girls in these Oily shops, requiring slim legs, nice high peachy ass, nice shaped tits, and preferably natural, etc. , not to mention at least moderately pretty face (well above average). Then I just don't have the diligence to go surveying the Oily shops every week any more.

Pin was not so skinny at all, but was a stand out in the line up for me at the time:
[url]http://www.boss26massage.com/pin.html[/url]

Did anyone try Yoko or Yu at this shop (just looking at pics), or anyone highly recommended?

Just returned from Snow White after a great 2 hours session with Candy. Lots of DFK, and her BBBJ skills are amazing. The only thing she lacks is tits. While the session was one of the best I have had the only mood killer was that in our second round the condom broke while we only noticed after the deed was done. Both of us were a bit paranoid asking each other repeatedly if we were all fine. She assured me that she gets checked every 1 month, I think she mentioned it's the policy of the place. Anyone know about this? If so this only makes it better to visit Snow White. And may make my stress a bit relieved.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2160873]Been a regular at the oilies for well over a decade now and up until now have never left mid-session due to poor performance. After the glowing report on Venus at Cherry (former Wan from Mango), I decided to give her a try. Entered, saw the lineup and even though she is a bit old for my liking I pulled the trigger. And her body does look old with some vestiges of childbirth. From the moment she returned and we disrobed she could not stop complaining about how big my unit was. Folks, I'm no John Holmes. On and on about it in the shower with very little play. Then onto the bed and she did not want to kiss due to my very sparse 5 o'clock shadow. BJ was very one dimensional with no variation, no rimming, or ball play whatsoever. Seemed to sort of enjoy DATY, but then when the condom when on it was "jep, jep, jep" and grimace grimace grimace. A + of course was completely out of the question. About 25 min into what was supposed to be 60 or 90, I just pulled out, took a shower and headed downstairs as there was no way I was going to finish. Told the mamasan that I was not happy and she offered another gal, but my mood was gone. She offered a reduced rate, which I really appreciated, and I went on my way. Happy with the way the mamasan handled the situation, but still very perturbed that I spent anything at all and got no comeuppance. I should have stayed home and beat the bishop. So folks, one glowing report does not a superstar make; not by a long shot.[/QUOTE]Just came across your post on Venus and it is interesting how different an experience can be with the same girl. I hadn't been to Cherry for a few month and as Cherry Mamasan is an old friend I felt it overdue to pay a visit. After getting all the chitchat out of the way I decided to chose a girl. I didn't know Venus even though she told me that she used to work at Mango. She had taken a break from work and had only returned to Bangkok a week before when I met her. Yes, she is not comparable in the looks department with Apple, Bell, Focus or Yok but somehow we hit it off and everything worked out fine between us to the point that I had a triple shot in 2 hours which hasn't happened in a while 🤪 Cannot exactly identify what it was but from the BBBJ to the last shot in her butt it was a great experience for me.

[QUOTE=Sum12;2163074]Just returned from Snow White after a great 2 hours session with Candy. Lots of DFK, and her BBBJ skills are amazing. The only thing she lacks is tits. While the session was one of the best I have had the only mood killer was that in our second round the condom broke while we only noticed after the deed was done. Both of us were a bit paranoid asking each other repeatedly if we were all fine. She assured me that she gets checked every 1 month, I think she mentioned it's the policy of the place. Anyone know about this? If so this only makes it better to visit Snow White. And may make my stress a bit relieved.[/QUOTE]I know one of the girls at Snow White personally.

Yes they all go to do some kind of blood test at Sukhumvit 77 once a month.

Exactly what kind of test or how accurate it is I can't say, but to answer Candy's statement, yes they do go and check every month.

Hi there,

Which girl would you recommend the most for best deepthroat (facefuck) experience? I tried already Candy from Snow White.

Maybe there are other girls with that skills?

[QUOTE=Sum12;2163074]Just returned from Snow White after a great 2 hours session with Candy. Lots of DFK, and her BBBJ skills are amazing. The only thing she lacks is tits. While the session was one of the best I have had the only mood killer was that in our second round the condom broke while we only noticed after the deed was done. Both of us were a bit paranoid asking each other repeatedly if we were all fine. She assured me that she gets checked every 1 month, I think she mentioned it's the policy of the place. Anyone know about this? If so this only makes it better to visit Snow White. And may make my stress a bit relieved.[/QUOTE]Did the condom break during vaginal sex? Take a look at the information on the CDC website here - [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL].

Honestly, I wouldn't worry, The odds are very much in your favour but a test is a good idea. I had a similar experience in Pattaya, got tested when I got home and was fine.

If you are deeply concerned you can go to one of the hospitals in Bangkok and tell them whats happened and I believe there is a treatment they can start you on but I am no expert.

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2163304]Hi there,

Which girl would you recommend the most for best deepthroat (facefuck) experience? I tried already Candy from Snow White.

Maybe there are other girls with that skills?[/QUOTE]I can't find a review of your experience of Candy.

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2163304]Hi there,

Which girl would you recommend the most for best deepthroat (facefuck) experience? I tried already Candy from Snow White.

Maybe there are other girls with that skills?[/QUOTE]AFAIK, this special sex act is always YMMV.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2163311]I can't find a review of your experience of Candy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you are right, I will try to catch up, so maybe you know any other girls?

Let's start from beginning in Bangkok.

Two weeks ago I went first time to Massage Parlour. I am kind of shy so I used email to book a girl.

I have chosen Miki from Cherry Massage for 90 min. On photos she looks a bit prettier, but still she is nice tiny smiling woman, her english skill are also okay.

We started with shower, right after it she started doing BBBJ, it was nice pleasure, after couple of minutes I asked to switch to sex.

We've done several positions, I really made her tired after that I received quite normal thai massage (not the best one).

15 min before end time, I asked for BBBJ again, she agreed, and I finished on here tits. So, to sum up, it was very nice experience (first time in Thailand).

Stay tuned. Will back with another reviews.

Hi again, so second time I went to be&be Massage.

But before that I found LINE ID to them and wrote a message who is available, I received photos of girls.

I've chosen Ray (B45) for 90 min, she is so pretty girl, she speaks very good english, is good communicate person. She was so happy someone book her.

We started as normal with shower together. It was so much GFE there. I was enjoyed every moment with that girl. We started with BBBJ it was nice, right after that I wanted to sex. We did a lot of positions, after that I asked about massage, but it wasn't very good, but still I liked it because of that girl, I forgot about time, and didn't have second round with her.

To sum up, if you like GFE with very kind girl choose Ray.

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2163304]Hi there,

Which girl would you recommend the most for best deepthroat (facefuck) experience? I tried already Candy from Snow White.

Maybe there are other girls with that skills?[/QUOTE]Try Dao from Tulip.

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2163304]Hi there,

Which girl would you recommend the most for best deepthroat (facefuck) experience? I tried already Candy from Snow White.

Maybe there are other girls with that skills?[/QUOTE]Really it greatly depends how you like it. Some like vigorous BBBJ fast and with power. I hate that. Very slow smooth and sloppy for me. For my style, Porn at Kasilong did a good job, recently. Nice naturals to play with too, and tight pussy. In future I will always take full service in a good room with her, since she was good fun as well as doing very good BBBJ. Not the only girl good looking enough for me on the occasion.

Deep throat should be quoted as the length a girl can swallow, which would be full length for some but maybe not for all. Porn could take at least 5 inches I think, maybe more. I was not checking how much dick was exposed at the time, so she did not get it fully in, but most of it.

I like it when girls can take a lot of dick in the mouth and have big tits to brush against the balls concurrent with the BBBJ in progress. Some girls can do that.

Helps a lot if you get a girl that is not tired. Business is probably low right now. Girls are not that busy.

I agree with USHobbyist, depends on how you like it, how tired is the girl, does she like you etc. If you are not too stingy and nice, she will do her best to hook you as a regular.

I have been noting the increasing reports regarding STDs in Asian forums as opposed to the lack of such concerns in the Latin American forums and must direct attention to the elephant in the room: BBFS. BBFS is much easier to get in South East Asia than in Latin America, as are STDs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2163543]I have been noting the increasing reports regarding STDs in Asian forums as opposed to the lack of such concerns in the Latin American forums and must direct attention to the elephant in the room: BBFS. BBFS is much easier to get in South East Asia than in Latin America, as are STDs.[/QUOTE]Why post that here? It belongs in the safe sex in Thailand thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-in-Thailand[/URL]

Knowing it will be my last action in Bangkok, I steered towards Addict still doubting whether I should go there for a lack luster performance and a jap-trap. When I reached outside Club102 caught my eye. There were many lovely ladies outside so I can get my mind and went in. As usual the French owner came by but this time he did not introduce the ladies who all stood there smiling at me. There were so many ladies and many lovely faces that I took a while to decide. Picked a lady named Play and paid 2290 for 40 minutes. Later she told me there were 40 ladies there and almost all 20 rooms were full. No wonder it is getting so popular with some many beautiful faces. Olay was beautiful, soft nice medium sized breasts, a great figure, fair but wore braces. Had a quick shower together, and straight to the action. None of the so called massage thankfully but about a minute of rubbing gel and rubbing her tits in my cock which actually felt nice. A great BBBJ followed and I was amazed at her skills with braces on. A few positions and was done. The service was not too bad but not excellent either. Her lovely face and soft breasts did it for me. No DFK but I left satisfied. Only regret is I should have gone there sooner and tried others too, that was how good the quality of the girls there was. 40 minutes at Club102 is reasonable and about the same price as other places who waste 20 minutes doing the so called massage anyway.

Whenever I walk past Club 102 the girls just look totally average. I think it might just be a question of taste as they all seem to be dark skinned which is appealing to many westerners. To me they just look like average Isaan girls. Are they any better inside?

[QUOTE=*****man;2163615]Whenever I walk past Club 102 the girls just look totally average. I think it might just be a question of taste as they all seem to be dark skinned which is appealing to many westerners. To me they just look like average Isaan girls. Are they any better inside?[/QUOTE]That is my take as well. All very dark. What I have always like about the Nakhon Panom gals at the PSE shops is most have a bit fairer skin. I'm a Westerner and dark skinned Isaan gals are not attractive to me. Of course I have lived here for 18 years, so my "eyes work. " One of my friends Thai girlfriends would always say, "When farang first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " It's true!

[QUOTE=Sum12;2163606]40 minutes at Club102 is reasonable and about the same price as other places who waste 20 minutes doing the so called massage anyway.[/QUOTE]I never waste time with massage initially. Always quick shower, round 1, a bit of massage while I recharge, then round 2. Usually can get it done in 60 min, but sometimes 90. Don't think Club 102 is multiple shot is it? I don't bother with one shot places.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2163632]I never waste time with massage initially. Always quick shower, round 1, a bit of massage while I recharge, then round 2. Usually can get it done in 60 min, but sometimes 90. Don't think Club 102 is multiple shot is it? I don't bother with one shot places.[/QUOTE]I also like 2 rounds. 2 rounds of massage. One round of massage, then sex, then another massage after sex. I don't bother with places that won't give me 2 rounds of massages in between the round of sex.

[QUOTE=Lefar123;2163349]Yeah, you are right, I will try to catch up, so maybe you know any other girls?

Let's start from beginning in Bangkok.

Two weeks ago I went first time to Massage Parlour. I am kind of shy so I used email to book a girl.

I have chosen Miki from Cherry Massage for 90 min. On photos she looks a bit prettier, but still she is nice tiny smiling woman, her english skill are also okay.

We started with shower, right after it she started doing BBBJ, it was nice pleasure, after couple of minutes I asked to switch to sex.

We've done several positions, I really made her tired after that I received quite normal thai massage (not the best one).

15 min before end time, I asked for BBBJ again, she agreed, and I finished on here tits. So, to sum up, it was very nice experience (first time in Thailand).

Stay tuned. Will back with another reviews.[/QUOTE]Aom in Snow White does some of the best deepthroat I've ever had.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2163670]I also like 2 rounds. 2 rounds of massage. One round of massage, then sex, then another massage after sex. I don't bother with places that won't give me 2 rounds of massages in between the round of sex.[/QUOTE]Me too, I insist on 2 shots always.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2160355]Yeah her. I had the pleasure of pounding her out. She later went back to a village to become a florist I think. She was amazing so tight in all holee for all the cock she took. She was showing me some family pics but we had to scroll through hundreds of pics of her taking dick from white, indian, black, asian cocks so I know she was highly in demand from everyone. Whos the superstar now and where can she be had?[/QUOTE]She was a real PSE.

Unmatchable energy, She always used to tire me out and she was amazingly tight in all her holes.

I remember she could twitch her pussy (contract) and that used to make me cum faster!!

This brings back memories man!

5555.

I have pounded her sis cherry too, but Apple was the better one (IMHO).

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2163935]She was a real PSE.

Unmatchable energy, She always used to tire me out and she was amazingly tight in all her holes.

I remember she could twitch her pussy (contract) and that used to make me cum faster!!

This brings back memories man!

5555.

I have pounded her sis cherry too, but Apple was the better one (IMHO).[/QUOTE]I favored Cherry over Apple, simply because she was better looking and far more svelte. She was also as nasty as can be. Those gals really knew what was involved with the job and really seemed to enjoy doing a good job, or at least they were very convincing actresses. Them's were the days. No one currently working even comes close. Can't tell you the number of times I experience mediocre attitudes even in the PSE shops.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2163715]Aom in Snow White does some of the best deepthroat I've ever had.[/QUOTE]+1 on that plus she does it with a sly smile 😊.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2163715]Aom in Snow White does some of the best deepthroat I've ever had.[/QUOTE]Best kept secret: Toom at Som'Haven. Please be nice with her.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2160915]Momay is still freelancing and available.[/QUOTE]Hello there,

I am visiting again soon and would love to see Momay again. Can you PM me her details if she is still available?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2163443]Really it greatly depends how you like it. Some like vigorous BBBJ fast and with power. I hate that. Very slow smooth and sloppy for me. For my style, Porn at Kasilong did a good job, recently. Nice naturals to play with too, and tight pussy. In future I will always take full service in a good room with her, since she was good fun as well as doing very good BBBJ. Not the only girl good looking enough for me on the occasion.
[/QUOTE]Syzy, it seems you have returned to Kasalong Bar 2-3 times since your first time going inside fairly recently and having positive results. So I assume a few girls there fit your "spec" in enough ways to justify spending your time and money on them. Has this mostly been daytime crew, nighttime crew or a bit of both?

Like written already by other users finding good performers in Massage scene is becoming always more difficult nowdays. I always had a 4-5 girls list where to go for a "safe and good" service, but now it seems always hard more and more having it.

In the search for this I tried some new girls. With different results:

Pooky at 102:

!02 is one of the my favourite shops, always had a very good service and I am using it from its opening. The last girl I tried was Pooky. And I had my first disappointing and bad experience.

She has a nice body with fake tits and when we started the "special" after 5 minutes into the action she started to complain about my weight (and I am very far from being big or heavy). Scared about her tits and so on. After 5 minutes she started asking me if I finished yet. No DFK. No kissing at all. Wht. Her attitude made me nearly impossible to finish to fuck her. So after around 15 minutes she decided by her will I had to end witha HJ. No sorry. This is not what I paid for. In the end my first bad experience with a 102 girl. And Pooky went in my blacklist.

Jaja at be&be:

Another disappointing experience. No DFK. Not kissing at all. Not even licking and every time I tried during fucking her she started to loudly scream. "NOOOOOOOOOO". So fuck off and never repeat her again.

Ivy at CamCam:

She have a very nice slender body with fake tits (a little big exaggerated for her body in my opinion but she know how to use them in a very nice way). Very good service starting in shower already. BBBJ, DFK, body to body and everything ok for a really good service. I repeated her already with same good experience. A nice addiction to my list.

JJ at Boss:

She is my best finding. She has a nice "Isaan farmer girl" body. Not slender but well done (just a little fat on her belly for her pregniancies) and a fabulous pair of natural tits. Very good service with all the things a good massage lady should do and she is very smart and funny too. Another very good addition to my girl-list.

Lord's Palace / LE Defence. Lord's Palace is 'closed for renovation' as the sign says on the door. I did my usual thing of walking from the MTR. I guy in the parking lot explained that they where providing free transport to another club. Turned out that it was 'LE Defence'. It's basically in the middle of nowhere, and getting a taxi back to Asok BTS was a nightmare afterwards.

LE Defence is another of those huge mansions built with ambitions, but you get the feeling probably about 15% used. It's also expensive with prices ranging between 4 K and 7. 5 K. Especially for what is available. (About 5 pm on a Friday.) I did have a rather pleasant session with a girl from Ko Samui. So no complaints there. However, not somewhere I would go back to.

Earlier in the week I went to Poseidon for the first time. Went almost immediately up to the third floor. Encountered a very pushy guy, I had to insist on wanting to relax a bit, have a drink and absorb what was going on. Again, around 5 pm on a weekday. My gGirl was rather lovely, very fair skin and boobs that would keep you awake anytime. 4. 5 K cost. I had a very nice session with Amy, however, you need to be cautious as she was very ready to "slip in without an cover". We ended up joking about it. But I am very careful. BBBJ is OK. Given Poseidon's location, I would return.

Club 102, Soi 24. Thought I would give it a try. Lots to choose from, helped by the French owner. Made a bad choice; seemed to have a 'no touch' rule and started out leaving the room on multiple occasions. One of those times you really should just leave. I cannot recall her name. This has been my experience with Club 2012, Addict etc, you often get the consummate professional who just goes through their moves.

Miss BJ, Soi 22. Reviewed this place before. I often visit here, and service is typically very enjoyable. I have always gone for full service, which is a shared shower and usually a fun session. No different this time.

[URL]Smooci.com[/URL] Seems to have become a habit when in BKK. Website is good, esp if you pay for premium access and service is very efficient. Piper was great. We had a very intense session and a long chat afterwards. She would make a perfect dinner date.

(I also used the LB service, but I will respect the site rules and not review here.).

Ease7. This a Kapoo Club. So not full service. It is a bit of a schlep to get there and is quite isolated in a suburban neighbourhood. Annie was very gorgeous with breasts to die for. Service was more like a body to body rub, rather than a massage. Very careful that no penetration happened. Shared shower. I actually enjoyed it, but for the 2 k cost, it was a tad high. May or may not return.

Overall, I am wondering if the 'high end' BKK massage services are getting rather expensive. Not done the calculations, but session for session they are near Macau Sauna prices, but with less of the facility and comfort. I do not mind paying. The girls should earn a good living for what they do. However, I am wondering if BKK needs to up its game somewhat at this end of the market. But then again, maybe I am going to the wrong places and should change how I am going about things?

[QUOTE=TravelLucid;2164357]Lord's Palace / LE Defence. Lord's Palace is 'closed for renovation' as the sign says on the door. I did my usual thing of walking from the MTR. I guy in the parking lot explained that they where providing free transport to another club. Turned out that it was 'LE Defence'. It's basically in the middle of nowhere, and getting a taxi back to Asok BTS was a nightmare afterwards.

LE Defence is another of those huge mansions built with ambitions, but you get the feeling probably about 15% used. It's also expensive with prices ranging between 4 K and 7. 5 K. Especially for what is available. (About 5 pm on a Friday.) I did have a rather pleasant session with a girl from Ko Samui. So no complaints there. However, not somewhere I would go back to.

Earlier in the week I went to Poseidon for the first time. Went almost immediately up to the third floor. <snip> My gGirl was rather lovely, very fair skin and boobs that would keep you awake anytime. 4. 5 K cost. I had a very nice session with Amy, however, you need to be cautious as she was very ready to "slip in without an cover". We ended up joking about it. But I am very careful. BBBJ is OK. Given Poseidon's location, I would return.

Club 102, Soi 24. Thought I would give it a try. Lots to choose from, helped by the French owner. Made a bad choice; seemed to have a 'no touch' rule and started out leaving the room on multiple occasions. One of those times you really should just leave. I cannot recall her name. This has been my experience with Club 2012, Addict etc, you often get the consummate professional who just goes through their moves.

[URL]Smooci.com[/URL] Seems to have become a habit when in BKK. Website is good, esp if you pay for premium access and service is very efficient. Piper was great. We had a very intense session and a long chat afterwards. She would make a perfect dinner date.

Ease7. This a Kapoo Club. So not full service. It is a bit of a schlep to get there and is quite isolated in a suburban neighbourhood. Annie was very gorgeous with breasts to die for. Service was more like a body to body rub, rather than a massage. Very careful that no penetration happened. Shared shower. I actually enjoyed it, but for the 2 k cost, it was a tad high. May or may not return.

Overall, I am wondering if the 'high end' BKK massage services are getting rather expensive. Not done the calculations, but session for session they are near Macau Sauna prices, but with less of the facility and comfort. I do not mind paying. The girls should earn a good living for what they do. However, I am wondering if BKK needs to up its game somewhat at this end of the market. But then again, maybe I am going to the wrong places and should change how I am going about things?[/QUOTE]Great trip report Travel Lucid. I enjoyed reading it.

I hope the Lord reopens by the time I visit in September. It is my favorite soapy. But if not, I will head down the street to Copa Cabana, another Lord Group Soapy. I have never been to LE Defense. I might try it someday like you did as an alternative to the Lord, but Copa Cabana is much easier to get to and in my experience a pretty good establishment as you would expect.

I have never been to Poseidon, but the 3rd floor sounds interesting. I like good looking friendly girls. Ha Ha.

My experiences at Addict have been pretty good unlike a few dissenters. I seem to have a knack for picking nice girls willing and capable of having a good time up in the loom or is it my oral technique that changes everything and turns them on. I don't know, but I will keep going there until my "luck" changes.

I have never tried Smoochi or picked up girls on the social media sights like Badoo or Thai Friendly. I think I should probably give it a try if just for the experience, but I am "old School" and prefer to see girls in the flesh before making any decisions. Go Go's and bars are still my favorite pick up places.

On comparing BKK high end Soapies to Macau Saunas: I don't know, I like them both, but they are very different. Chinese girls vs Thai girls for one. A more regimented script at least to start with in Macau, but some of my Macau sessions have been really wild and truly memorable. Of all the BKK soapies, The Lord seems to offer the closest thing to that. That is one of the reasons I like the Lord so much and am willing to pay their high price.

Anyway, great trip report. I wish we had more like them on the forum. Stay thirsty,

NB.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2160873]she did not want to kiss due to my [b]very sparse 5 o'clock shadow[/b]. [/QUOTE]Never heard this term before. What does that mean?

I'm living in what you can call a Japanese hotel, by that I mean a hotel in Bangkok which caters 99% to Japanese. 2 things are for certain, these guys like sports: They'll want to play golf and they'll want to play with girls.

Behind the hotel reception are about 20+ Golf bags which takes care of their golfing. But I have to say, being out the P4 P game for a while I now see a lot of the girls they bring back to their rooms, or I meet them at 6 am in the elevator when they leave the hotel. I don't remember the girls looking this pretty when I was P4 P active. I guess new generations getting prettier and prettier.

Or maybe that's just girls who work only in Jappo places.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2164828]Never heard this term before. What does that mean?[/QUOTE]Refers to beard growth. Men traditionally shave before work in the morning and by 5 pm tend to have a bit of beard growth and it is referred to in the US as a 5 o'clock shadow.

[QUOTE=*****man;2159933]find the best girls have to be booked in advance so just turning up and looking round doesn't work well.[/QUOTE]Ah the memories.

How many times have I sat in front of the keyboard ready to spill the beans about my encounter of the P4 P only to stop myself from fear at times.

Fear? You may wonder. But fear of what? Well I think people underestimate the power of this forum. While there may be a dozen or so active posters, there are hundreds if not thousands of lurkers.

1. Positive reviews about a place will surely increase that place's business.

2. Positive reviews about a specific girl will surely increase her business.

3. The more detailed the review, the more some will ask for the same experience.

Obviously, cleanliness, prices, general service also play a strong role in an MP selection process and the better equipped places will always be busy.

Also, as a reviewer (is that what we should call ourselves? Or a critic perhaps?) you are faced with a dilemma when putting pen to paper (or finger to keyboard). Do you promote the shop and the girl? Do you want to come back next time and not be able to get the girl because she's now popular and busy? And when you do get to see her much later cause, she's got a 3 months waiting list, she's tired and not the same energy and fun ball as she was when you first met her.

Lastly, I will never forget how one girl was angry at me asking me about the internet because some idiot from here printed my review and expected (no. Demanded) to have the exact same experience? What if the girl went out of her way because somehow you clicked with her? Do you write that (like my FS sessions at Akane for example, forbidden by the shop rules).

This forum really has, or used to have the power to make or break a girl / shop. Nowadays, with all the technology available, I'm not sure it carries the same weight it used to, but maybe enough for you to not be able to re-live your fantastic experience with Somying. As she's now on the to-do list of about a few thousand lurkers, soon-to-be visitors.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2164918]This forum really has, or used to have the power to make or break a girl / shop. [/QUOTE]The effects you mentioned exist, but I think you're blowing it way out of proportion.

Sure, a single glowing review of a girl will probably give her extra business, but it's probably on the order of 10% more, not 3 times more. Your single review won't suddenly make her so popular that she's unavailable or burned out. While it might be prudent not to elaborate on every gory detail (especially potentially one-off acts like BBFS) on the off chance that some idiot would demand the exact same thing, every girl will encounter some idiots asking for too much along the way, and you don't need to blame yourself for that.

I wrote glowingly about a few girls in the past (say, Ying from Tulip), a several other guys did to. And she's still there, mostly available, doing the good job that she's known for. There are many factors that affect availability and performance of a particular working girl over time, and our review is, in the big scheme of things, a minor one.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2165307]The effects you mentioned exist, but [b]I think you're blowing it way out of proportion[/b].[/QUOTE]Of course I did, just makes the read more. Interesting?

Points remain somewhat valid though I hope (or maybe I failed miserably and should have kept my mouth shut).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2164868]I'm living in what you can call a Japanese hotel, by that I mean a hotel in Bangkok which caters 99% to Japanese. 2 things are for certain, these guys like sports: They'll want to play golf and they'll want to play with girls.

Behind the hotel reception are about 20+ Golf bags which takes care of their golfing. But I have to say, being out the P4 P game for a while I now see a lot of the girls they bring back to their rooms, or I meet them at 6 am in the elevator when they leave the hotel. I don't remember the girls looking this pretty when I was P4 P active. I guess new generations getting prettier and prettier.

Or maybe that's just girls who work only in Jappo places.[/QUOTE]Same for me, in that I sometimes see Asian guys (probably Japanese) with incredibly good looking Thai girls, and wonder where the hell they got those girls from. Barfined a super Coyote from somewhere or. ? Not the Thermae! The looks were way better than that. I have to wonder if I should take a look at Thaniya Plaza, to see what the girl standard is like there.

I would always love to know what venues have plenty of stunning girls. Find very few.

We do miss your reports of comical MP visits where sometimes the weird or unexpected happened. "Blowing out of proportion" just a little is fine, better than direct sarcasm for humour. You can always leave out the girl's name if you think could make or break her. LOL Very few reports here were as entertaining as yours. Normally we are stuck with just extracting what very little actual data a poster is willing to add.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2165307]The effects you mentioned exist, but I think you're blowing it way out of proportion.

Sure, a single glowing review of a girl will probably give her extra business, but it's probably on the order of 10% more, not 3 times more. Your single review won't suddenly make her so popular that she's unavailable or burned out. While it might be prudent not to elaborate on every gory detail (especially potentially one-off acts like BBFS) on the off chance that some idiot would demand the exact same thing, every girl will encounter some idiots asking for too much along the way, and you don't need to blame yourself for that.

I wrote glowingly about a few girls in the past (say, Ying from Tulip), a several other guys did to. And she's still there, mostly available, doing the good job that she's known for. There are many factors that affect availability and performance of a particular working girl over time, and our review is, in the big scheme of things, a minor one.[/QUOTE]I think it's important to give details of why you think the lady is good. Because the word 'good' means different things to different people. It has such an uncertain meaning, that it doesn't mean much by itself. You need the details to make it meaningful for other people.

And it's also important to take the woman's wishes into account.

I've had one massage lady ask me to tell other guys I knew that she was good in bed and that she would like to meet them too. Because at that time I was from a place that had a lot of single guys, who might be in need of a woman. And she was good in bed with me.

This lady got me to take her in a side-by-side, face-to-face position. I fumbled my cock and didn't know how to enter her pussy, because I had no previous experience with this sex-position. So, she took my cock with her hand and lightly thrust her pussy on it couple of time, without making it go inside, then on her third thrust she just slammed her pussy on my cock and made it go inside her balls deep right away. I've never had a woman take my cock with pussy like this before, and I was really into her. It was a very intimate ride. I had my arms around her, and she wrapped her upper leg around my ass. Her tits were all over my face. And suck on them I certainly did. This lady had a vaginal orgasm with me, and that's why she was so sure that she was good in bed with me.

I think most P4P ladies want to have fans, who like their pussies and buns. And this isn't just about money. Being popular among guys is something many women like and enjoy, even when this doesn't lead to sex, the way it does in P4P situations.

But if you are in doubt, then you should ask the lady. It's hard for me to imagine that the lady will not want other guys to know about her, when she is in the business of meeting such guys.

I think an ideal situation for a P4P lady is to have a bunch of fans, who will follow her buns even when she moves from one place to another. Because this way she brings some extra business to the establishment and gets some respect from the management for it. And this makes it easy for her to find and work at a place she likes.

Hi.

Few months back I was in Bangkok and I actually have to apologize for not updating on time.

Rose from Addict Massage.

I picked what I felt was the most attractive girl out there. She smiled a lot and I noticed few girls in the lineup whose pictures were displayed in their website. Many of them don't come anywhere close to their pictures but we all know about this issue, so I am not going to rant on that further.

I chose the Jacuzzi option for 2 hours or 1. 5 hours. We filled it up and got in.

She was very well behaved, just like my previous experience with Michelle. I didn't feel like DFK, but she attempted to kiss me many times but I avoided as I was simply not in a mood to kiss her. She gave me an excellent BBJ, and sucked on my balls for a while, and massaged my tools well.

Got it up in no time and I banged her. Her pussy was reasonably tight. After about 30 minutes, I exploded and she asked me to turn over and gave me an excellent massage. I almost slept, and later even without a word, she sucked me off like she wanted more, but I was not in a mood to bang her, I let her till I CIM.

The only turn off for me was some facial hair she had on her upper lips. If she had waxed, she would have been million times more attractive.

I tipped her well for being a good girl. I don't remember the price I paid, but it was not like some members here complained. I read somewhere that they now got two levels. I paid the normal price.

One of the girls I really miss from there was a small one called Yean. One of the best girls for Rimming. No girl has such a talented tongue.

Kate Club 102.

Later, I felt horny and I checked in to next door and I was presented the line up, may be it is just my opinion, they had much prettier girls in the past. I selected who at that time looked pretty. It was when we started walking upstairs, I realized my mistake, but I didn't want to be too disappointed so just went with it. I chose the same thing from menu. Chose the jacuzzi option. Yes yes, I like to fuck in a jacuzzi.

Since I didn't like her face, I Started fucking her doggy style, and I slowly slid a finger up her ass and she didn't say a word, and then I slowly slid another finger and I had two fingers in her butt and was playing with it while pounding her and she liked it, I don't know if she would do anal but I didn't feel like asking her.

I came in 10 minutes this time and we got out of the jacuzzi and she massaged me a bit but my boy was up in 30 minutes. I was ready for the fourth one but she said I had to pay more, and in my mind I said, fuck you but I told her to massage me for the time left and she sucked. I left the place 30 minutes before the time was up but overall not a bad day. I had a good meal and went back to hotel and finished the season 3 of Narcos.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2160873]Then onto the bed and she did not want to kiss due to my very sparse 5 o'clock shadow. BJ was very one dimensional with no variation, no rimming, or ball play whatsoever. Seemed to sort of enjoy DATY, but then when the condom when on it was "jep, jep, jep" and grimace grimace grimace. [/QUOTE]Maybe just an excuse, but I do find there are girls with quite sensitive lip skin and pussy skin. Have seen the red rash after kissing. I therefore always take a very close shave before going out mongering to be sure this excuse cannot be used. Girls do prefer DATY with a smooth face. I have even shaved in the ST Hotel on occasion. It's similar to how we like smooth pussy, but moreso. I always take a good shave with my shower when hopeful to do the GF soon after, for same reasons. Don't want to get "jep" complaints about pussy irritation afterwards.

There are plenty of stars that were lack lustre for me too, so I agree one great report does not make a superstar, and any girl can have a bad day with problems evident, or just detest the customer. (My classic inexplicably bad experience was Vodka a few years back - quite poplar girl though). Obviously girl and guy rapport makes a difference, but also some guys are incredibly easy to please in some facets of the experience. Some guys are so horny, the girls does not need any skills at all. A girl that is gorgeous and at least kisses real good could be enough for me, provided I don't get the "jep, jep, jep" routine, and I don't get stiff the legs like a starfish trick. Very arched pelvis (lower back) is another method some girls use to make it hard to do both DATY and to fuck.
I really do believe girls can either make it really easy to fuck them or really difficult, depending on the body relaxation and movement. Pussy power helps a lot of course.
Below average looks are enough to spoil a monger session for me too, even with apparently great skills. If I don't like the body and face only so so, it does not really get me going. So I always have to choose based on what girl appeals to me, rather than others.

A great report about a girl, if real, merely indicates, that some customers will like her, but not all. Hard to recall getting any regular girls based on some one else's recommendation in Bangkok, instead finding girls for myself. I got one OS who is still a favourite.. That was a fluke. LOL Instead we get to hear about places maybe worth trying if similar tastes, maybe not.

There is so little reward for providing good info here. It is difficult to get much useful info back. No one provides a list of top 10 places for natural stunning slim girls. LOL Oilies have so few stunning girls, and they don't last long mostly, unless have some personality defect.

[QUOTE=HentaiBaka88;2058681]So I was in BKK last year and I went to Dream Heaven Massage around September.

There was this adorable young lady named Ammy that was working at Dream Heaven Massage Soi 26. Apparently she's no longer there and I can't find her at all.

I had 2 sessions with her and she was one of the prettiest, down to earth girls I've ever met. The Ammy that's advertised on their site right now is not the same Ammy. The Ammy I know is 20 (21 now), about 5'2 black hair (I know, great description right?

I was just hoping that someone would remember her and know if she's still doing this or left this business. She was the very definition of a spinner and I had her number but no longer. I don't even have her picture on my phone anymore.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about this one?

[URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=197[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zam007;2166313]Are you talking about this one?

[URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuse.php?id=197[/URL][/QUOTE]There were two girls named Ammy at Dream. That is right, two. Go figure how the shop managed the bookings by this name (two shops though, one at Soi 26 and the other at Soi 33). The one quoted here went on to escort for a while, even appeared on Smooci as an independent sometime ago.

I have just started my Asian trip and I will land in India in few hours. But from Monday to next Wednesday I don't need to work.

So I have other plans, though I can hook up with a local chick, I prefer to fly to Thailand as things are easier and no strings attached.

I have had my good times and some bad times with chicks in Bangkok. For the past few visits I preferred to stay within a certain limit to how much I would spend. I did spend about 8-9 k on a girl for LT I booked through smooci and she was such a pleaser!

She is not working nowadays but that is ok as I would like to sample more chicks.

The MPs I mostly visited were 102 and Addict and SW. But I would love to visit a place like Lords. Now I read a report that the lords is closed for few days, so I would like to visit another place where I can find MODEL types. One of the reasons why I didn't visit such places yet were I was basically scared if I would get ripped off.

Last time I was in Bangkok, I prepared to go to Lords but then I had a very bad flu and I just wanted to recover, and this time when I come to Bangkok, Lords is closed I guess. My curiosity for lords is based on the reports I read here.

So, guys! Which place would you recommend that has girls like they have in Lords?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2166431]So, guys! Which place would you recommend that has girls like they have in Lords?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]La Belle, Poseidon, La Defense, Copa Cabana (although check the latest situation regarding this joint as google search reports it as 'Permanently closed' at its present location and I don't have the latest info.), Club 102 (you've already reported on this). These are some of the options that come close, albeit, IMO, The Lord Palace, takes/took the cake. Even the entry level chicks at that joint would give a stiff competition to the so-called 'model' category stuff at most other soapies. Though, La Belle, IMO, is an exception to this. If you time it right, you can find some ravishing talent there. Also, a caveat, some guys have reported getting bad service at Poseidon, but, in so far as optics are concerned, it should suffice. Hope this helps. Enjoy your trip!

[QUOTE=Zam007;2166431]
Last time I was in Bangkok, I prepared to go to Lords but then I had a very bad flu and I just wanted to recover, and this time when I come to Bangkok, Lords is closed I guess. My curiosity for lords is based on the reports I read here.

So, guys! Which place would you recommend that has girls like they have in Lords?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Unless you have read an official Lords website showing which days closed, I would try ringing them to check. They maybe closed for Songkran, but how many days? I don't really think many other places will match their Line up for quality of looks. I always struggle to select a girl a Poseidon or La Belle, for example. However depends on your taste. If you like westernised surgeries looks, then you maybe okay.

I did think Rose at Addict looked good in the pics (apart from perhaps overdone tits) so your taste may not be far away from mine.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2166647]Unless you have read an official Lords website showing which days closed, I would try ringing them to check. They maybe closed for Songkran, but how many days? I don't really think many other places will match their Line up for quality of looks. I always struggle to select a girl a Poseidon or La Belle, for example. However depends on your taste. If you like westernised surgeries looks, then you maybe okay.

I did think Rose at Addict looked good in the pics (apart from perhaps overdone tits) so your taste may not be far away from mine.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip.

I read somewhere in this forum about Lords being closed for holidays or renovation and the guy was taken to another place. I will dig it up and paste it when I get the time.

My plan is to stay for 4 days but if I am enjoying I may stay for few days more.

Rose looked good even in real except for a small mustache.

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2166569]La Belle, Poseidon, La Defense, Copa Cabana (although check the latest situation regarding this joint as google search reports it as 'Permanently closed' at its present location and I don't have the latest info.), Club 102 (you've already reported on this). These are some of the options that come close, albeit, IMO, The Lord Palace, takes/took the cake. Even the entry level chicks at that joint would give a stiff competition to the so-called 'model' category stuff at most other soapies. Though, La Belle, IMO, is an exception to this. If you time it right, you can find some ravishing talent there. Also, a caveat, some guys have reported getting bad service at Poseidon, but, in so far as optics are concerned, it should suffice. Hope this helps. Enjoy your trip![/QUOTE]Will call Lords once I get there, if it does not work, I will try La Belle.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2166696]I read somewhere in this forum about Lords being closed for holidays or renovation and the guy was taken to another place. I will dig it up and paste it when I get the time.[/QUOTE]Not much digging required as it is quite close to the surface. Lol. In fact, just on the page before this one. Post #16588 and quoted in post #16589.

[QUOTE=Vodkin;2166392]There were two girls named Ammy at Dream. That is right, two. Go figure how the shop managed the bookings by this name (two shops though, one at Soi 26 and the other at Soi 33). The one quoted here went on to escort for a while, even appeared on Smooci as an independent sometime ago.[/QUOTE]I remember the face of Ammy who is shown in that pic. She did work as independent and before that she worked with an agency and her name was Lucia. The reason why she caught my attention was when she first appeared with the agency her pictures were average and so were her ratings. Few weeks later they had new pics and her ratings were 4. 5 ish. I guess her services were getting better.

Then she disappeared and then she reappeared as an independent and disappeared again! LOL.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2166924]I remember the face of Ammy who is shown in that pic. She did work as independent and before that she worked with an agency and her name was Lucia. The reason why she caught my attention was when she first appeared with the agency her pictures were average and so were her ratings. Few weeks later they had new pics and her ratings were 4. 5 ish. I guess her services were getting better.

Then she disappeared and then she reappeared as an independent and disappeared again! LOL.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. She was under the name of Lucia for Thai Escorts Bangkok for a while, went on Smooci with her old art name Ammy. Also dyed her hair (seen from some pictures).

I tried searching this thread but couldn't find the info I was looking for. What timings are massage parlors usually? Are there any 24 hours decently moderate ones out there? Thanks in advance for any help you are able to provide.

[QUOTE=DesertFox1;2167045]I tried searching this thread but couldn't find the info I was looking for. What timings are massage parlors usually? Are there any 24 hours decently moderate ones out there? Thanks in advance for any help you are able to provide.[/QUOTE]You can look on websites for Massage shops to see their hours. 11 am to 12 midnight is typical. However the number of girls available early in the day is usually poor. You are very unwise to go select a girl at 11 PM. She is tired and thinking of going home. If she has had no business for the day, it could be different.

In 27 years of coming here, I never tried to get a massage after midnight. In fact I don't even like massage, unless she uses mouth, tits, ass, and pussy to do the massaging. LOL

Why be difficult and demand a massage at 3am? I don't know. However guys with regular contacts can doubtless arrange to meet their favourite massage girls at any time that suits them.

You can Google web search for 24 hour massage shops, I am very sure.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167153]You can look on websites for Massage shops to see their hours. 11 am to 12 midnight is typical. However the number of girls available early in the day is usually poor. You are very unwise to go select a girl at 11 PM. She is tired and thinking of going home. If she has had no business for the day, it could be different.[/QUOTE]I have noticed that the best selections pop up after 2 pm, but they are usually still having lunch. 4 pm is the best as they have kinda settled and are ready to start their day. Two girls I booked told me that.

Some good girls in Addict massage are already available from 11 am!

[QUOTE=Zam007;2167155]I have noticed that the best selections pop up after 2 pm, but they are usually still having lunch. 4 pm is the best as they have kinda settled and are ready to start their day. Two girls I booked told me that.
[/QUOTE]Good comment. If going to Oily MP for no particular girl, I would aim for 4 PM to 5 pm, ideally. If a soapy MP I would aim for 6. 30 PM. If a bar I would aim generally for 8. 30 to 9 PM arrival to see the better girls just arriving. Discos is a later thing obviously (little experience looking for girls there). Street Walkers seem to be out early like 9 PM or earlier these days, but are a good possibility for late to very late.

If it is morning and I am desperate for a fuck, I would try morning bars, e. G. In Soi 4, or an MP with some early good girls, or even a BJ bar.

After midnight I think of as the desperation hours. Best girls not available most likely.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167162]

If it is morning and I am desperate for a fuck, I would try morning bars, e. G. In Soi 4, or an MP with some early good girls, or even a BJ bar.

After midnight I think of as the desperation hours. Best girls not available most likely.[/QUOTE]

I will have to explore Soi 4 at that time because some mornings I am horny as hell. I had a walk there in the afternoon once but I didn't find anyone in the bars attractive.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2167155]
Some good girls in Addict massage are already available from 11 am![/QUOTE]I went to Addict once looking for Sandy at 11 am and she was just finishing with her first customer!

[QUOTE=Zam007;2167187]I will have to explore Soi 4 at that time because some mornings I am horny as hell. I had a walk there in the afternoon once but I didn't find anyone in the bars attractive.[/QUOTE]There used to be the odd good looking girl. Have to admit I did not spot any really pretty ones recently to drag me in there, but have not been checking the morning talent. I don't have more than 1 sex session per day, these days, and it tends to be anywhere from afternoon to evening (when mongering), unless wake up with girl in the bed.

When I used to do several girls per day, I guess I was catching up after years of missing out. Still if one has nothing better to do, LOL, then may as well have a morning and a night one. I always take a significant gap, due to not cumming so easy, unless deprived for a while.

I do appreciate though, that the best time for sex for a guy is in the morning, after a good sleep, preferrably empty stomach, etc. And naturally horny. Most girls are not horny when they wake up though. Girls want to sleep straight after sex, so prefer night time. Sex with my GF is mostly daytime now since that is when the daughter is not home. Suits me fine. Shower, shave, brush the teeth and then see if I can get one, just before her daytime nap.

Apologies for being off thread topic. Some MPs maybe a good option if want a fuck before lunchtime. Just finding the pretty girls early is more difficult.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2166714]Will call Lords once I get there.[/QUOTE]I went to check if Lord's was really closed on Wednesday (April 11). Totally closed. I went to Aleina and had a girl there. She told me she had worked at other places as well. So I asked her about Lord's and whether it would open again. She replied that so many places have been closed.

A pity as I have had about 10 girls in Bangkok in the past year and the only one reaching a German FKK level was the Lord's girl.

So I finally ventured down to Soi 24/26, which is amazing since this is my 5th time in Bangkok, but I had to experience it.

Made a mental note, as I walked from Soi 4 that I need to check out Dinosaur Planet one of these days. Also, this being a Sunday afternoon, I figured today would be a good day to stop by and work on my Soi Cowboy project (I'm taking old pictures of it from the internet and taking new pictures that match up). What a mistake that was. If Soi 4 is a madhouse during Songkran then Soi Cowboy is off the chart. I got absolutely blasted, and like a dummy just soldiered through it and took my pictures. I hate it when they use that cold water! LOL. At least it cooled me off. The only thing kind of creepy, was the amount of children running around there. I know it's daylight and none of it's open, but still, it was kind of weird.

Anyway, I made a huge mistake in not researching a little better when I went to this little massage area. I was looking for Poseidon, or Addict or. Oh wait, there's 101 Premier Massage, that's one of the good one's, right? (Duh, I was looking for 102 massage, quite the difference from 101). So, I went in 101. Not a BAD, looking place, but not a PREMIER massage joint. The 'book' the lady showed me (1st mistake) and had most everyone listed as 'busy'. There were 2 guys sitting 'waiting', so I just chose a girl, one of two in the 'book' that looked the best.

Sigh.

Hindsight is 20/20, but she WAS cute. In a little plump schoolgirl sort of way, but still presentable, I was in and I was going to go ahead and take it.

Her name was Molly and she had braces (sexy) and a big smile and a fun laugh, and big natural titties, which I don't often get here in Bangkok, and man, I just kept trying to think of her as a cute little (of age) schoolgirl, sneaking off to have some fun. (It worked).

She also uncannily looked almost exactly like a girl I dated one summer in Chicago (33 years ago!) and just like that girl, she was into doing all the work and seemingly insatiable. There was no fkng her, she was fkng ME! Hey man, it's been a LONG week. Actually a long Two weeks. Maybe on Sunday, this is what I need, to just to lay back and let her go to work. With that cute smile, DFK, and infectious teenage giggle (she was actually 36), I was quite charmed. But with that workhorse ethic and desire to give me a 2nd pop (God, I'm getting old), she really won me over. She was a lot of fun!

Question though. Do I tip massage girls in Bangkok? How does that work?

I do have higher standards, but really for 2200, I was actually ok with the lesson learned.

When I left, there were now 4 guys waiting, and 4 more walking in the door. Hmmm.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2167618]I went to check if Lord's was really closed on Wednesday (April 11). Totally closed. I went to Aleina and had a girl there. She told me she had worked at other places as well. So I asked her about Lord's and whether it would open again. She replied that so many places have been closed.

A pity as I have had about 10 girls in Bangkok in the past year and the only one reaching a German FKK level was the Lord's girl.[/QUOTE]Though I have never been there, I am surprised they have been closed. Given how long they have been operating and how well they were organized.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167472]

Apologies for being off thread topic. Some MPs maybe a good option if want a fuck before lunchtime. Just finding the pretty girls early is more difficult.[/QUOTE]You can try Addict, they do have some good girls dropping in early.

I also noticed some really nice girls in Can can at 11 am, (I am not sure if that is the spelling).

[QUOTE=Zam007;2167894]I also noticed some really nice girls in Can can at 11 am, (I am not sure if that is the spelling).[/QUOTE]I used to be a frequent customer at CanCam, due to prettier girls. Soda Pic looks like my type. Maybe Jena or Chomphu. Japanese manager was a bit of an idiot.

[URL]http://cancam-massage.com/gals/[/URL]

From memory, I found a few good girls there over time (all gone now) and a couple of complete duds (probabaly also gone).

CanCam and Boss were only shops I used in the Soi for a last few years that I can recall. Cherry and Angel long ago. Reason was basically looking for a good looking girl. Dream Heaven is worth a try not far away (or the Soi 33 branch). Never had luck at 101. They did not wanted me to choose from a picture album, from memory.

The best thing about CanCam was usually they had a reasonable percentage of non surgery girls (more difficult at Addict). May with a tit job was O.K. for me, even if did not really like her tits.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167955]I used to be a frequent customer at CanCam, due to prettier girls. Soda Pic looks like my type. Maybe Jena or Chomphu. Japanese manager was a bit of an idiot.

[URL]http://cancam-massage.com/gals/[/URL]

From memory, I found a few good girls there over time (all gone now) and a couple of complete duds (probabaly also gone).

CanCam and Boss were only shops I used in the Soi for a last few years that I can recall. Cherry and Angel long ago. Reason was basically looking for a good looking girl. Dream Heaven is worth a try not far away (or the Soi 33 branch). Never had luck at 101. They did not wanted me to choose from a picture album, from memory.[/QUOTE]I do not recognize anyone from the pics, but in real there were some really pretty ones in Can Cam. It was just that I was looking for something extra like the ones they provide in Cherry and Sw. I was not in a mood for just pretty ones. Which is the reason why I didn't enter.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2167618]I went to check if Lord's was really closed on Wednesday (April 11). Totally closed. I went to Aleina and had a girl there. She told me she had worked at other places as well. So I asked her about Lord's and whether it would open again. She replied that so many places have been closed.
[/QUOTE]Some news articles re Soapy Closures:

Ocean [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5380951/Six-storey-brothel-Bangkok-lies-abandoned.html[/URL].

Victoria Secret (associated with Lord Group).

[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1408602/dsi-tells-somyot-to-pipe-down[/url]

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30337344[/URL]

[URL]http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2018/01/24/busted-brothel-thieving-water-stay-afloat/[/URL]

Copa Cabana [URL]http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/copa-cabana-massage-parlour-suspected-illegal-use-groundwater/[/URL].

Note the last two places in trouble for use of underground water.

There was a faint rumour that Annies might have been using underground water also (illegally). Could this be related to its closure? I know the closure came after an inspection by the authorites. I would say a very good chance at least, and improvement on the "unsanitary" theory.

Chuwit (ex Soapy owner and politician) discusses the Soapies illegal use of underground water on his TV program. I sometimes watch his program as he speaks Thai slowly and very clearly (easiest program to understand), however I missed the episode relating to so many Soapies being inspected for illegal underground water usage.

[url]http://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/nightlife/2017/10/05/bangkok-literally-sinking-sex-brothels-steal-groundwater/[/url]

Hopefully the Escort market will be suddenly flooded by best lookers from closed Soapies LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167967]Some news articles re Soapy Closures:

Ocean [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5380951/Six-storey-brothel-Bangkok-lies-abandoned.html[/URL].

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Hopefully the Escort market will be suddenly flooded by best lookers from closed Soapies LOL.[/QUOTE]Surprisingly good article from The Daily Mail. I went to Ocean just a few weeks before it closed and it was depressingly bad. I posted a report at the time. Unfortunately, the good looking girls are unlikely to end up in the farang scene. I've never heard of any girl making the crossover from soapy to oily and I doubt we'll ever see them on escort sites. They'll just find another place in the Thai or Japanese scenes and we'll remain with a sorry collection of Isaan single mums.

To be honest, if these places have been causing environmental damage just to get cheap water for completely pointless baths, they should be closed down.

I was looking at the Snow White website dreaming of my trip next month.

I had a little typo and this site popped up -.

[URL]http://cn.snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html[/URL]

Forgive my ignorance in that I missed the real heydays of Tulip and Snow but in my experience there are pictures of a couple of legends still up there (April and Momay).

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2168297]I was looking at the Snow White website dreaming of my trip next month.

I had a little typo and this site popped up -.

[URL]http://cn.snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html[/URL]

Forgive my ignorance in that I missed the real heydays of Tulip and Snow but in my experience there are pictures of a couple of legends still up there (April and Momay).[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Nice to see a very young looking June (my first SW girl most likely and my only regular). Don't remember any prior to her. Slim and no surgeries. I wonder if she finally found a guy that would work out.

Anyone tried the new big busty MILF named Rain at Mango. Looks quite good. Would appreciate any feedback.

[QUOTE=Olinda;2168405]Anyone tried the new big busty MILF named Rain at Mango. Looks quite good. Would appreciate any feedback.[/QUOTE]Thanks for drawing attention to the new girls. Bo, Ice, Nam all look tryable for me, based on pics. Not so ugly at all. Actually seem pretty. To think these girls have already been there 2+ months and I never showed up. I don't think I have met Jane either. Big tits is not going to swing me to Rain.

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url]

I tried Prae and Aey (the short and the tall) before (not recently) but neither became regulars. Aey was O.K. A "horny" wildcat type. Prae was good first time, but 2nd time she had gained too much weight to excite me any more. Maybe she will have dropped off the excess by now.

Longest term favourites (girls long gone) were Cat and Cherry (the short and the tall).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2168428]Thanks for drawing attention to the new girls. Bo, Ice, Nam all look tryable for me, based on pics. Not so ugly at all. Actually seem pretty. To think these girls have already been there 2+ months and I never showed up. I don't think I have met Jane either. Big tits is not going to swing me to Rain.

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url]

I tried Prae and Aey (the short and the tall) before (not recently) but neither became regulars. Aey was O.K. A "horny" wildcat type. Prae was good first time, but 2nd time she had gained too much weight to excite me any more. Maybe she will have dropped off the excess by now.

Longest term favourites (girls long gone) were Cat and Cherry (the short and the tall).[/QUOTE]Bo and Nam look ok if they are baby free. Rain looks a bit too old. And breasts just too big.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2168546]Bo and Nam look ok if they are baby free. Rain looks a bit too old. And breasts just too big.[/QUOTE]I phoned Mango up about Bo a few weeks ago but was told she's not in and was given no date of return. Could be one of those who tries it for a week and then gives up, or maybe just a bait and switch.

Also told she's baby-free. Let us know if you get to try her.

Should you tip your massage girl or is the price all-inclusive at most places?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2168546]Bo and Nam look ok if they are baby free. Rain looks a bit too old. And breasts just too big.[/QUOTE]I suspect Rain may have some baby damage, if you look at the last picture of her on the website the tummy area looks like it has been badly photoshopped.

I didn't go to Mango for many years so can say for sure. But it does look strange.

[QUOTE=*****man;2168550]I phoned Mango up about Bo a few weeks ago but was told she's not in and was given no date of return. Could be one of those who tries it for a week and then gives up, or maybe just a bait and switch.

Also told she's baby-free. Let us know if you get to try her.[/QUOTE]I popped in there a couple of weeks ago and saw no sign of her or the other lookers. Yes, that would be my guess. She probably found the work not suitable and moved on.

I get the environment issue about the use of resources, and esp. Fresh potable water. (Look at Cape Town, South Africa, where I lived when younger. Facing what could be a disaster.).

However, I cannot help being bemused by the thought of too much f at #&king causing a city to sink.

Not sure it's irony, 'cause not sure what the irony would be.

Don't drink the bath water guys! . and be sure to shower soon after.

Is this really serious? Kind of could be a ruse for political reasons.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167967]Some news articles re Soapy Closures:

Ocean [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5380951/Six-storey-brothel-Bangkok-lies-abandoned.html[/URL].

Victoria Secret (associated with Lord Group).

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[url]http://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/nightlife/2017/10/05/bangkok-literally-sinking-sex-brothels-steal-groundwater/[/url]

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[QUOTE=SexInStl;2168710]Should you tip your massage girl or is the price all-inclusive at most places?[/QUOTE]Depends. If the price is already high, no tip. If the price is reasonable I tip only if the girl provides service over and beyond what is expected.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2168710]Should you tip your massage girl or is the price all-inclusive at most places?[/QUOTE]Hello? Anybody?

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2168951]Hello? Anybody?[/QUOTE]I never tip at oilies. Been a regular at them for over 10 years. Some guys tip. Up to you. I don't think it brings you any better service.

I never tip and it's never been an issue. I do notice if you look on the Addict website there's a page where they recruit girls and it seems to suggest they'll get big tips. I don't know how many guys actually do though. If they want extra money they should just increase the price in my opinion.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2168951]Hello? Anybody?[/QUOTE]Instead of getting impatient you could have just searched for the many discussions there have been about tipping in this thread.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2168958]I never tip at oilies. Been a regular at them for over 10 years. Some guys tip. Up to you. I don't think it brings you any better service.[/QUOTE]I always tip. Sometimes because of the quality of the service but most often because of the amount the girls actually get paid and the fact that the tip amount has no impact on my lifestyle. I even gave a woman cutting hair in the middle of the street at 11:30 PM some money because I admired her entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic. Candidly would rather put my money in the hands of someone who deserves it than some administrator for United Way.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2168710]Should you tip your massage girl or is the price all-inclusive at most places?[/QUOTE]There is no rule of thumb, when it comes to tipping, as you may have gathered from the varying viewpoints expressed in the preceding posts on the subject and, most certainly, you are not obligated to tip i.e. the rate is all inclusive. I often find myself in a generous mood when, at the end of it all, I have that warm feeling of contentment, which one can get in different ways. IMHO, promise of a decent tip can lead to some additional services being offered that, otherwise, may not be on the table. I still remember, a couple of years back, when I ventured into Caesars, the girl was quite resistant to DFK, which, from what I've been able to gather, most of the high-end soapy girls are. After some back and forth on Google translate, promised her a decent tip and she agreed, although, somewhat reluctantly. But, when it came to the actual delivery, she was really into it or, at least, that is what it felt like. She even made up for the lost time and continued the session for quite some time even after the call. On that occasion, tipped her 10%. So, I tend to take things on a case to case basis and, accordingly, have tipped, ranging from 0 to 20%, over the years.

Thank you for all the responses. I really do appreciate it.

I tried to do a search on the word tip, but apparently it's too short of a word for the search engine.

Tip? Yes! Why? Makes her feel appreciated and happier about what she does for a living. No if she was clearly not into it and made no effort. How much? 200 up depending on level of effort and to a lesser extent skill set.

Starting to like the idea of massage better, as you seem to get more for your money. So Wednesday night headed over a bit later than I would've liked about 8 pm.

Can Cam had 3 girls and he showed them to me by Facetime on his phone! Uh, no. But as I was going out the door he led me to Dream Heaven next door and said 'mamasan good, lots of girls'. The mamasan was kinda hot for being a little bit older (I'm not even going to guess, these Southeast Asians confound me on age) and she trotted out 9 ladies for me to see. It was hard to chose because really none of them were what I was looking for, but being a big pansy I sat there and chose what I thought was the hottest of the bunch.

Her name was Janie, though I don't see her on the website, and she had that natural 1950's kind of body, short rib cage that slants in for a small waist and then widening out a bit for womanly hips, a nice full strong rump, a plump 'see' cup, and a really pretty face. She might be confused for being half spanish, but I didn't ask. She was a dud though.

No DFK (not sure what the mouthwash was for), no fingering, no DATY, she wanted a CBJ, but I insisted it was BBBJ and she went along with it. She stalled in every way possible to get to the sex part. We showered, then got in the hot tub, then showered. Then SHE showered, then she asked if I wanted to clean her and she showered me again. Ugh. Her BJ was ok at first, but then I was ready to move on to the Fkkng by this point. Her vagina was small and tight somehow though and I enjoyed it, missionary, her on top and then she balked at standing doggie. "Let me finish you with Blow Job", she said. Fine, get it over with.

And lo and behold, she was suddenly GOOD at the BBBJ, and I came all over her breasts. Then we showered again! Then came the massage, which was ok. She was so shy at times and timid (She must have said "I'm sorry" 10 times), I asked her how long she'd been working there. "7 years", she said. I was astounded. I asked how old she was. 36! 10 years older than I would have guessed. The massage was ok, though she used a towel to cover my ass. Good Grief. Afterwards she said, do you want to take a shower? I said, "I'm probably cleaner than I've ever been in my entire life. ".

Ah well. Better to make a mistake with 2300 Baht than 4000 Baht.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2169203]Thank you for all the responses. I really do appreciate it.

I tried to do a search on the word tip, but apparently it's too short of a word for the search engine.[/QUOTE]If you type in 'tipping' you get 118 pages of results just for this thread.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2169049]I always tip. Sometimes because of the quality of the service but most often because of the amount the girls actually get paid and the fact that the tip amount has no impact on my lifestyle. I even gave a woman cutting hair in the middle of the street at 11:30 PM some money because I admired her entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic. Candidly would rather put my money in the hands of someone who deserves it than some administrator for United Way.[/QUOTE]Actually I have found as earnings for P4 P workers in SE Asia has increased; service has decreased.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2169242]Starting to like the idea of massage better, as you seem to get more for your money. So Wednesday night headed over a bit later than I would've liked about 8 pm.

Can Cam had 3 girls and he showed them to me by Facetime on his phone! Uh, no. But as I was going out the door he led me to Dream Heaven next door and said 'mamasan good, lots of girls'. The mamasan was kinda hot for being a little bit older (I'm not even going to guess, these Southeast Asians confound me on age) and she trotted out 9 ladies for me to see. It was hard to chose because really none of them were what I was looking for, but being a big pansy I sat there and chose what I thought was the hottest of the bunch.

Her name was Janie, though I don't see her on the website, and she had that natural 1950's kind of body, short rib cage that slants in for a small waist and then widening out a bit for womanly hips, a nice full strong rump, a plump 'see' cup, and a really pretty face. She might be confused for being half spanish, but I didn't ask. She was a dud though.

No DFK (not sure what the mouthwash was for), no fingering, no DATY, she wanted a CBJ, but I insisted it was BBBJ and she went along with it. She stalled in every way possible to get to the sex part. We showered, then got in the hot tub, then showered. Then SHE showered, then she asked if I wanted to clean her and she showered me again. Ugh. Her BJ was ok at first, but then I was ready to move on to the Fkkng by this point. Her vagina was small and tight somehow though and I enjoyed it, missionary, her on top and then she balked at standing doggie. "Let me finish you with Blow Job", she said. Fine, get it over with.

And lo and behold, she was suddenly GOOD at the BBBJ, and I came all over her breasts. Then we showered again! Then came the massage, which was ok. She was so shy at times and timid (She must have said "I'm sorry" 10 times), I asked her how long she'd been working there. "7 years", she said. I was astounded. I asked how old she was. 36! 10 years older than I would have guessed. The massage was ok, though she used a towel to cover my ass. Good Grief. Afterwards she said, do you want to take a shower? I said, "I'm probably cleaner than I've ever been in my entire life. ".

Ah well. Better to make a mistake with 2300 Baht than 4000 Baht.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is amazing what poor performances gals can get away with these days. Gals are very good at manipulating and that is exactly what she did to you. I would have called for the mamasan or at least expressed my dissatisfaction when walking out. It's just a shame we have to deal with this crap. It really ruins the entire experience. And it just seems to get worse by the year.

Boss Massage is a good bet, because they have cards that explicitly tell what each gal does and does not do. The gals sees you looking at the card and she then knows you know. So there is really no room for surprise. If she balks, you can call her on it. Jeez, I miss the old days of Tulip, Mango, and SW, where the motto was "all girls do everything" and you just did not have to worry about this BS.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2168297]I was looking at the Snow White website dreaming of my trip next month.

I had a little typo and this site popped up -.

[URL]http://cn.snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html[/URL]

Forgive my ignorance in that I missed the real heydays of Tulip and Snow but in my experience there are pictures of a couple of legends still up there (April and Momay).[/QUOTE]Wow! Memories. Yes, the gals were better looking back then, younger (think all on that site were under 25), all but two baby free and June had no stretch marks, and every single one a performer. At that same time Mango had an outstanding lineup and the same applied, most no kids, under 25, decent looking, and performers. And look what we are being offered these days! It's really gone downhill. Difficult for me to get exited about 30 plus women with mommy bodies who deliver so-so service. Just not good enough.

Drove down 24/1 on my motorbike this evening. What a horror show. Even BB had a bunch of darker skinned fatties. Gals sitting outside Boss left a lot to be desired as well. Looks like I am going to continue saving lots of money.

[QUOTE=TravelLucid;2168906]I get the environment issue about the use of resources, and esp. Fresh potable water. (Look at Cape Town, South Africa, where I lived when younger. Facing what could be a disaster.).

However, I cannot help being bemused by the thought of too much fucking causing.

Is this really serious? [/QUOTE]There is no irony or joke here. Bangkok has been sinking at a rate of 1 cm per year I believe I read. It is on low lying land and there are flood problems sone years as most guys know.

Scientists believe that use of deep artesian water is a major cause of the city sinking.

The Soapy massage places are a major culprits. They use a large amount of water, and many decided to use artesian water instead of pay high water bills for regular city water supply. Use of the underground water pumped up is iegal in Bangkok but not in rural Thailand.

Drinking water is quite irrelevant since that is normally treated water. No one drinks bath water naturally. So 'potable' does not come into it.

So yes several Soapy Massage joints have been closed, including the famous Annies. It was using illegal Artesian water as well. This is now confirmed. Wood and Chrome bars were not affected by the water sinking Bangkok scandal. So some of the girls will be found there. Same management, etc.

Sorry about this, not time to RTFF just yet. Same as my post on the Tulip section seeking any info from the regulars on a girl I had a session with mid last year. This was early evening at CanCam the girl was a tiny little thing sitting outside with a smile as soon as I approached. I checked the lineup first and almost went with a tall leggy girl which is more my preference but in the end her looks and smile won me over. Great service, she gave me a nice long BJ after the shower. I came in her mouth, I let her spit it out but asked if she could keep sucking for a bit which she did. A quick rest and as soon as I got hard again fucked her quite hard in may different positions, pulled out, uncapped and came on her stomach. She asked me if I wanted her to keep blowing me like earlier, I considered it but thought she had done enough and declined. Such a trooper. She had a weird name like Plate or Basket or something like that. I thought I would remember but I forgot.

My subsequent return was not so good. I had to reschedule and went during the day instead of in the evening like I wanted. Two daytime girls, skinny, not really my type but no others around so I pulled the trigger on both. They were enthusiastic but had rules: one pop only, only one would do the BJ and the other would kiss, clock watchers too, the both of them and identically flat chested, I mean really flat, I told them it was ok if they wanted to keep their tops on. The two were joking around the whole time, I did enjoy their positive demeanor and I did get them both to take turns blowing me. I think they were new, I could have talked them into doing more but I was so disappointed in not being able to have a session with the other girl, I didn't bother and just let time run out after I finished.

So, I'm walking through the massage area (Soi 24/26) and I'm thinking, I'm going to check out Boss Massage, based upon a recommendation (they have the cards that say what each girl does), and I pass by Dream Heaven and I see this girl sitting out front eating, and she has on these black pin striped pants and white blouse, and she has a really pretty face, and I think, Hmmmm.

But I go down to Boss, taking my time walking past the others just to see what's out there. It's humid as FK-all, so I was really appreciative of the ladies that were actually sitting outside. So I go to Boss and only one girl is sitting out front and she's not what I'm looking for, but I go inside, and the lady tells me they only have these three, the girl who came in from outside (no) and two who don't even look up, just continue to slouch down on the couch with headphones on their phones. One of them is really cute and looks decent.

I'm looking around for the 'card' that says what each of them offers, but don't see, and the mamasan starts pressuring me, you ready to go, which do you want, 1 hour or two? I look at her sideways, and say, can I talk to 'this' girl for a second. She says, NO, only girl available is this one (the one from outside). I wave my hands and say 'Never mind' and start to walk out the door. No one stops me. They just let that business walk right out the door! But I did it! I left!

The hell with that, I ain't goin' with nobody I don't want to go with, no more!

But it gets better!

So I go back by Dream Heaven and figure, I'll check this other girl out, I saw walking by. On my phone, in the translation app, I write 'French Kiss. No Condom Blow Job. Lick Pussy'. I consider putting 'anal', even though I have no interest in that, just so they have one to say no too, that makes the other 3 seem easier by comparison, but I figure I don't need to over think it that much. So I talk to the mamasan, the same sexy one from the other night. She's a little bigger on the back side than I like, but she is still sexy as hell for a mamasan. She says 'Mimi', that's the girls name, is busy, but if I want I can come back in an hour. Damn.

So I go walking. Not sure I want to wait an hour. So I go in 101 Premier again, figuring, the girl I got last time wasn't the hottest, but she FKK'd my brains out and did all the things I like. I won't settle for her type again, but I'll see what they got. She isn't there, but a little cutie named Nene is who I choose out of the lineup. I ask her to come over and I show her my phone and what it says. She acts confused, but the mamasan looks at it and says, yes, yes. So away we go.

Nene is a cute little xtra petite girl with a cute face, an adorable little body and a nice pair of real titties. She didn't seem super enthused to be picked in the first place, but I'm a little bit used to these unprofessional little amateurs, but then she starts acting kind of funny right off: I be right back, oh you got water on the floor, straightening towels, the usual stalling stuff. But I get naked immediately and when she comes back, I've already showered and I start getting her naked. More weird behavior, as SHE wants to undress herself. We get in the shower and I start to play with her as she's trying to clean me, and I can tell she's annoyed, almost to the point of pushing my hand away. I figure, enough of this, and I try and kiss her. NO GO!

I act surprised. She says I don't do that no kiss. No lick, and points at her pussy. Damn she's got a hot little body. I say, the mamasan said you DO all of that! She says no no no. I wave my hand. Nope, never mind. I get out of the shower and dry off and put my shorts on. She's kind of stunned. She says, you different girl. I say, NO, I want my money back, I'm going somewhere else. She tries to negotiate 'little kisses, but no pussy lick' and I just chuckle at her, and she asks again, you want different girl? I say, NO, I want my money back, I'm going elsewhere.

And they LET me! They let my business walk right out the door!

I ain't goin' with nobody I don't want to go with, no more!

Fuck that noise. (I did get to shower with a hot ass little babe who started washing my cock though. For FREE!

So I March right back down to Dream Heaven and they say, Mimi has 20 more minutes, do you want to wait? And I say yes, and I show the mamasan my phone and she says Mimi, yes, and grins really big, but then asks 'No Condom?' and I say, 'for blowjob', and she says, yes, just no, accident. Oh yeah, yeah, I get ya, no I won't cum in her mouth! So I sit on the couch and wait and Mimi is finished less than 10 minutes later, and she is all smiles to see me. That's a good sign! I opt for the 40 minutes, because, really I'm just ready to FKK.

Mimi is a little darker skinned, which I don't mind, with a really hot ass. Naked she almost has a Brazilian girl kind of body, except in petite size. Titties are a small handful, and even though you can tell she's had a baby, they still look and feel nice. A really hot looking face, with FKK me eyes, and full lips, and great hair. Nice pussy, with just a patch of hair, which I like. She's not a hardbody, but she's not flabby either, she's natural and looks good. Not for everyone, but she looked hot to me. Especially, with her performance.

Playful from the beginning, she could tell I wanted to get down to business and she was a fairly passionate kisser and she went right for playing with the boys. I fingered her almost immediately and fell on the table and started to go at it. DATY, BBBJ, DFK (but not after I'd licked her pussy! She didn't want to DFK anymore after that!) Sometimes girls with really small pussies are actually harder to FKK, but Mimi's was just slightly bigger, OR just really wet, and easy to pound and get deep into. We started in missionary, went to standing doggie, and when I asked if she wanted to get on top, her eyes lit up. I told her to use it, and make herself cum, and she put the effort in. (She SAYS she came, but she was so wet from the start, it was hard to know for sure. Like I said, she certainly put the effort into it).

Afterwards she joked that she needed to go get a Thai massage, that I gave her a workout. What a smart thing to say. SEE! That's how you get repeat business. I will be back for her! She's not on the website, but I recommend her. She let me take a couple of pics (just no face pics).

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2168710]Should you tip your massage girl or is the price all-inclusive at most places?[/QUOTE]Price is all-inclusive, there's no obligation to tip.

About half the time, I tip a nominal amount (100-200 baht), if a girl doesn't hold back and goes out of her way to make the session nice. No obligation to do this, but I just like to reciprocate, and might become a regular.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2171912]

I'm looking around for the 'card' that says what each of them offers, but don't see, and the mamasan starts pressuring me, you ready to go, which do you want, 1 hour or two? I look at her sideways, and say, can I talk to 'this' girl for a second. She says, NO, only girl available is this one (the one from outside). I wave my hands and say 'Never mind' and start to walk out the door. No one stops me. They just let that business walk right out the door! But I did it! I left!

[/QUOTE]I also found the mamasan at Boss totally useless. She did show me the cards but wasn't able to identify which girls have babies. She brought me a girl and assured me she didn't have a baby which turned out to be a complete lie.

It's good of Premier 101 to give you your money back as that kind of attitude is common in the area. But it's probably better to leave your translation app in your pocket as the translation it's giving is probably complete garbage. Try translating some Thai Facebook posts with the auto translator and see what nonsense comes out.

Blow job is just given a literal word for word translation which means absolutely nothing in Thai.

Hey!

Here is a recent picture of May at SW. She doesn't do anal. She is a bit odd but does put on a performance that is above average in bed.

/ Kirsia.

[QUOTE=*****man;2172093]I also found the mamasan at Boss totally useless. She did show me the cards but wasn't able to identify which girls have babies. She brought me a girl and assured me she didn't have a baby which turned out to be a complete lie.

It's good of Premier 101 to give you your money back as that kind of attitude is common in the area. But it's probably better to leave your translation app in your pocket as the translation it's giving is probably complete garbage. Try translating some Thai Facebook posts with the auto translator and see what nonsense comes out.

Blow job is just given a literal word for word translation which means absolutely nothing in Thai.[/QUOTE]Yes lack of babies is a requirement that many mamasans may not understand. She may think you mean lack of scars. LOL She may not even know which girls had a baby. Some girls have few obvious signs. My GF was a good example. No sag, great tits, no scars (maybe very feint marks if under a spotlight), and tight pussy.

I have no such requirement for girl to have not had a baby, in fact girls with babies are better for me, less dick scared in general. Nearly all my regular Thai girls have had babies. They seem to have more stamina, in general. They get pussy damage less easily. Right now I have only 2 regulars with no baby, one who goes against the trend since she likes powerful sex, more than most baby free girls. What I don't like, are the railroad track belly girls or girls with lots of saggy wrinkly skin. My regulars don't have that at all. Maybe one or two don't have a really tight pussy that some guys look for. Hence my preference to see girls dancing naked, or very scantily clad where possible, rather than having to ask how damaged she is. I have managed quite okay In Boss massage, but then I would speaking Thai, so have little clues about the mamasan value. I actually rarely use a mamasan at all. Last trip to Boss early in the year, I chose Pin sitting outside, without asking any questions at all. I could see she was probably 30 YO but body looked good. She turned out great, so I got lucky. Maybe she even had no baby (I honestly forget now). Last time I rang them, they said she doesn't work there any more. Not sure if that will be a permanent leave (since I don't take what they say too literally). Take all things you are told with a grain of salt.

I absolutely agree about putting away the translation App. It may produce rubbish. I really doubt it can help much. I given examples of website Ads in Thai translated to English by an App and then what was really meant, before in a previous post. If the mamasan or papasan has poor English, then don't ask any difficult questions. If you don't like it, go to another shop maybe a better idea. Sometimes the staff English is very poor so I insist they speak to me in Thai (that makes things easier so gives me a good advantage) . No use for a Japanese papasan though (in Can Cam).

[QUOTE=NopoProwler;2076708]That's Cheer from Addict. Her name actually sounds more like "Chia" as in "Chia seeds" and yes, I had her a couple of times when I was living in Bangkok a year and some ago. She's very skinny, very short, already a mom and she prefers anal. I even posted a report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!&p=1776064&viewfull=1#post1776064.

Nopo.[/QUOTE]Sadly, Cheer was tired when I booked her and she couldn't even take it well in her pussy. I got up and cleaned myself as she was like a starfish.

It is just me or does Ice look suspiciously like a photoshopped Ice of infamy? In other words, is Ice back at Mango again? Haven't seen hide nor hair of her for two or three years. Think she's been abroad.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2168428]Thanks for drawing attention to the new girls. Bo, Ice, Nam all look tryable for me, based on pics. Not so ugly at all. Actually seem pretty. To think these girls have already been there 2+ months and I never showed up. I don't think I have met Jane either. Big tits is not going to swing me to Rain.

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url]

I tried Prae and Aey (the short and the tall) before (not recently) but neither became regulars. Aey was O.K. A "horny" wildcat type. Prae was good first time, but 2nd time she had gained too much weight to excite me any more. Maybe she will have dropped off the excess by now.

Longest term favourites (girls long gone) were Cat and Cherry (the short and the tall).[/QUOTE]

Was in the mood yesterday for a jacuzzi massage since it was so hot. I tried B & B massage on Soi 24.1. It is a newly renovated shop. There were only 3 girls available but they were all petite with killer bodies. I declined as the jaquizzi rooms were already taken. I will have to give this place another look for sure.

Next stop was Soi 24. Same situation at Club 102 accept not only were there no jaquizzi rooms available but all the rooms were filled and there was about 6 punters all waiting ahead of me with their chosen ladies in the lounge. I was told it would be about a 20 minute wait. There were still about 20 ladies available. Great selection.

Went next door to Addict and the girls numbering about 20 were already lined up. I chose a white skinned girl from Chiangmai Pae. I was happy that I did not experience the normal stalling while getting her kit. She escorted me to the room and quickly went to get her kit. I chose the 2 hour 3,300 Baht jaquizzi suite option. The BBBJ in the jaquizzi and cleaning was done well and accompanied by some good chit chat. She said she was 25 years old and had just graduated from university. I would describe her body as shapely with nice curves and a great looking tit job. Still looked and felt natural. No baby damage and a claim of no baby but I would learn the opposite after seeing her Facebook last night. Anyways, on to the bed for some excellent DATY. She was very clean and tasted great. I was able to make her cum violently which was great because I avoided the dreaded lube she had prepared. Onto the main event with a great fuck in mish and a finish in doggy. I would repeat for sure. Tipped 1,000 Baht for her great service and laid back attitude. I would describe this encounter as a true GFE in every sense of the word. I think you all can put two and two together. After I finished in doggy, she finished with a really relaxing massage. I could have opted for a second round but really wanted to relax.

Could I have gotten her for less? Sure if no jacuzzi and only 1 hour instead of 2. Could I have avoided the tip? Sure of course, but the true GFE experience may not have been delivered. In the end, all were happy!

Good report. Can you please tell me how big the jaquizzi is? I'm 196 cm, 6'5" and have always problems to find big enough Jaquizzies. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2174760]Was in the mood yesterday for a jacuzzi massage since it was so hot. I tried B & B massage on Soi 24.1. It is a newly renovated shop. There were only 3 girls available but they were all petite with killer bodies. I declined as the jaquizzi rooms were already taken. I will have to give this place another look for sure.

Next stop was Soi 24. Same situation at Club 102 accept not only were there no jaquizzi rooms available but all the rooms were filled and there was about 6 punters all waiting ahead of me with their chosen ladies in the lounge. I was told it would be about a 20 minute wait. There were still about 20 ladies available. Great selection.

Went next door to Addict and the girls numbering about 20 were already lined up. I chose a white skinned girl from Chiangmai Pae. I was happy that I did not experience the normal stalling while getting her kit. She escorted me to the room and quickly went to get her kit. I chose the 2 hour 3,300 Baht jaquizzi suite option. The BBBJ in the jaquizzi and cleaning was done well and accompanied by some good chit chat. She said she was 25 years old and had just graduated from university.[/QUOTE]

Planning to give either Mango or SnowWhite a try soon, any recommendation of any ladies?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2174760]
Onto the main event with a great fuck in mish and a finish in doggy. I would repeat for sure. Tipped 1,000 Baht for her great service and laid back attitude. I would describe this encounter as a true GFE in every sense of the word. I think you all can put two and two together. After I finished in doggy, she finished with a really relaxing massage. I could have opted for a second round but really wanted to relax.

Could I have gotten her for less? Sure if no jacuzzi and only 1 hour instead of 2. Could I have avoided the tip? Sure of course, but the true GFE experience may not have been delivered. In the end, all were happy![/QUOTE]Excellent report, Bkkdog. I might need to try one of this area's places again to see if I can break the curse of abysmal, utterly non erotic or rewarding experiences I have had in them.

But on this tip-true GFE issue, are you saying the two of you discussed or negotiated the additional 1,000 baht tip beforehand as contingent upon her delivering a true GFE? It doesn't sound like it came as a surprise to her on your way out. If so, at what point was it mentioned; before you chose her, right at the start of the session when she got her kit, as the main event approached?

[QUOTE=PapaBoi79;2174913]Planning to give either Mango or SnowWhite a try soon, any recommendation of any ladies?[/QUOTE]Search the forum and you will get your answer.

[QUOTE=IloveTits;2174806]Good report. Can you please tell me how big the jaquizzi is? I'm 196 cm, 6'5" and have always problems to find big enough Jaquizzies. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I have tried the Jaquizzis at B & B, Club 102, Addict, The Lord and Posiden. I think the only ones that you could fit comfortably in would be at Poseidon and The Lord.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2175002]Excellent report, Bkkdog. I might need to try one of this area's places again to see if I can break the curse of abysmal, utterly non erotic or rewarding experiences I have had in them.

But on this tip-true GFE issue, are you saying the two of you discussed or negotiated the additional 1,000 baht tip beforehand as contingent upon her delivering a true GFE? It doesn't sound like it came as a surprise to her on your way out. If so, at what point was it mentioned; before you chose her, right at the start of the session when she got her kit, as the main event approached?[/QUOTE]Like most of my true GFE experiences, I never needed to discuss the particulars of the encounter to come, it just happened naturally. The only 3 times I had to negotiate it beforehand were with freelancers from Thai Friendly. Even those three times, I started the chat with what I wanted and what I was willing to pay and the ladies just accepted with no complaints. I'm a little different than you I think. I don't like to waste time with a lot of back and forth to ruin the mood or chemistry. I kinda know what number most of the ladies will need to do what I want and that's the first and only number I offer.

As for my tip, it was never discussed and I just handed it over for her good service. YMMV of course.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2175119]I have tried the Jaquizzis at B & B, Club 102, Addict, The Lord and Posiden. I think the only ones that you could fit comfortably in would be at Poseidon and The Lord.[/QUOTE]What's a jaquizzi? Is it a game you play in a German pub?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2175121] I'm a little different than you I think. I don't like to waste time with a lot of back and forth to ruin the mood or chemistry. I kinda know what number most of the ladies will need to do what I want and that's the first and only number I offer.

As for my tip, it was never discussed and I just handed it over for her good service. YMMV of course.[/QUOTE]Oh, not at all. I am very much like you in that way. There is practically no back and forth on those kind of things. If you have read any of my sample "negotiation" exchanges here, they don't even look like what one might consider a negotiation and I only use that word because I am replying to someone else who used it in a post question or because it is the closest word that fits and can be searched for on these sites.

The vast majority of times, unless I have reason to suspect there might be an issue with heavy bush hair a'growin' down there, my "negotiation" with P4P girls in Thailand comes down to a single question. And it isn't even about the kind of true GFE we are alluding to here. It is whether or not the girl will provide a genuine CIM finish to a BBBJ. That's it. If her response is negative, I will not be choosing her. Only if SHE then follows up with a question like, "Why? Don't you like boom-boom?", will I then mention that I do indeed like boom-boom but I will not be able to do it and finish wearing a condom and any other related info. Then it is up to the girl to figure out if she is willing to offer an acceptable solution to this problem or not.

If her response is clearly positive to providing a genuine CIM finish then she is definitely a candidate for me to choose and, like you, nature can and often does take its course in the room and all plans about finishing with a BBBJ+CIM rather than with, say, BBFS/true GFE are gone.

However, having said that, here is where the exception to those vast majority of times comes in; when I am dealing with a venue type for which my positive results for EITHER of those outcomes, BBBJ+CIM or BBFS, have been so horribly and consistently bad I really have no choice but to cover damn near every detail before I am willing to commit even 500 baht to another gamble on it, much less 3,000+ baht.

That is where massage shops like Addict and the others in that area come in. My positive results for getting it my way for a reasonable price is great doing it in the more laid back way you and I prefer for almost every type of venue and meet ups except those kinds of shops. For those kinds of shops, my positive results are virtually non existent after dozens of attempts at being laid back and casual about it.

So when I saw what looked to me like you were reporting having employed a simple upfront "negotiation" for an additional 1,000 baht tip in order to achieve a true GFE with an Addict girl (i. e., "Could I have avoided the tip? Sure of course, but the true GFE experience may not have been delivered."), that gave me a glimmer of hope that such a method might tempt me to give one of those places a try again, for the umpteenth time. LOL.

[QUOTE=*****man;2172093].... But it's probably better to leave your translation app in your pocket as the translation it's giving is probably complete garbage. Try translating some Thai Facebook posts with the auto translator and see what nonsense comes out.

Blow job is just given a literal word for word translation which means absolutely nothing in Thai.[/QUOTE]Not every translation app is equally good. And you can find one that works well for speaking with P4P ladies.

I've just tried an android app from Google Play store called Microsoft Translator. You can find it at the link below:

[URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.translator&hl=en[/URL]

This app can actually translate profanities. But it's not done by default. You need to go into the settings and enable translation of profanities there.

I know two languages well. And I've tested it to see how good the translation is. I found that it's no good at translating slang words and expressions, such as a "blowjob" for example. It gives you total nonsense indeed. But if you say, "Suck cock", or "Suck tits", or "Perform cunnilingus", then the translation is perfect.

Basically, you need to change the way you say it to make the translation work. Don't use slang words, and use phrases, rather than single words.

This app translates well for non-sexual language. And you can even download the Thai language for offline translation for the times when you don't have an Internet connection.

Of course, it has some limitations. The word 'Pussy' for example is a slang word that has non-sexual meaning too. And there isn't really any other simple word that you can use. That's why I had to say "Perform cunnilingus" to make it translate correctly. Everything else I said using the word "Pussy" didn't work.

I've also tried using this app to translate names for sex positions. It translated correctly "Doggy sex position" and "Missionary sex position", but it had a lot of trouble translating "Cowgirl sex position". I had to say "Woman on top sex position" to get the correct translation.

The only thing about these translations is that when you don't know the other language, then you have no idea how well the translation worked. It's a hit and a miss kind of thing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2175238]Oh, not at all. I am very much like you in that way. There is practically no back and forth on those kind of things. If you have read any of my sample "negotiation" exchanges here, they don't even look like what one might consider a negotiation and I only use that word because I am replying to someone else who used it in a post question or because it is the closest word that fits and can be searched for on these sites.

The vast majority of times, unless I have reason to suspect there might be an issue with heavy bush hair a'growin' down there, my "negotiation" with P4P girls in Thailand comes down to a single question. And it isn't even about the kind of true GFE we are alluding to here. It is whether or not the girl will provide a genuine CIM finish to a BBBJ. That's it. If her response is negative, I will not be choosing her. Only if SHE then follows up with a question like, "Why? Don't you like boom-boom?", will I then mention that I do indeed like boom-boom but I will not be able to do it and finish wearing a condom and any other related info. Then it is up to the girl to figure out if she is willing to offer an acceptable solution to this problem or not..[/QUOTE]I don't know what to tell you other than I have received a true GFE in a sense with little or no extra effort at Addict, Mango, club 102, Snow White, Tulip, Annie's in the past, Som's Heaven, Lolitasssssssssss, Boss massage, be & be just today, Cherries, and Wood Bar. Going back to the tip, that is just a general comment for the people that wonder why I leave tips. It's because a repeat will ensure a repeat GFE. Today at B & B however, I forgot to leave a tip. Seriously, the ladies in their are all spinners!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2175323]I don't know what to tell you other than I have received a true GFE in a sense with little or no extra effort at Addict, Mango, club 102, Snow White, Tulip, Annie's in the past, Som's Heaven, Lolitasssssssssss, Boss massage, be & be just today, Cherries, and Wood Bar. Going back to the tip, that is just a general commment for the people that wonder why I leave tips. It's becaause a repeat will ensure a repeat GFE. Today at B & B however, I forgot to leave a tip. Seriously, the ladies in their are all spinners![/QUOTE]If you want to leave a tip then all well and good but I've never once had a situation where I got a GFE first time, didn't leave a tip and then didn't get one second time. Is that what you fear will happen?

As for B&B, I've never tried the place because of their reputation for poor service. Have things improved there? They look like a fairly average bunch every time I walk past.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2175323]I don't know what to tell you other than I have received a true GFE in a sense with little or no extra effort at Addict, Mango, club 102, Snow White, Tulip, Annie's in the past, Som's Heaven, Lolitasssssssssss, Boss massage, be & be just today, Cherries, and Wood Bar. Going back to the tip, that is just a general commment for the people that wonder why I leave tips. It's becaause a repeat will ensure a repeat GFE. Today at B & B however, I forgot to leave a tip. Seriously, the ladies in their are all spinners![/QUOTE]Among that group of venues, the only ones where I have not gotten a true GFE would be Addict, Mango, Snow White, Tulip, Boss massage and B & B.

Never tried Cherries. Also never tried Club 102 or Annies but had been with Annies and Club 102 girls before they started working there and had no problem getting a true GFE of the kind we are talking about with those girls.

In none of those shops on my "no true GFE" list was BBFS anywhere in sight by my merely showing up and being the same lovely guy that manages to get there most of the time in other encounters without having to propose a seriously meaningful additional tip beforehand. Also in most of them the demeanor of the girl was so godawful mechanical and non erotic, even the possibility of a BBBJ finishing with something close to a CIM was hopeless and I just called it off.

That is where I had a glimmer of hope that maybe dangling an additional 1,000 baht upfront might be the trick that snaps the girls in those particular shops out of their robotic state where my natural charm and irresistable good looks seems only to drive them deeper into that state.

But as of yet I guess there are no reports of such an upfront offer working or mattering much.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2175390]Among that group of venues, the only ones where I have not gotten a true GFE would be Addict, Mango, Snow White, Tulip, Boss massage and B & B...[/QUOTE]Just a comment, from my experience GFE has always been up to the girl, and never dependent on the club / venue, at least for me. Granted, some venues are known to have more GFE girls than others. But, I have learned through the years to get GFE by working on the provider during the session.

I just got back last night from a mongering trip to Colombia and Sao Paulo, Brazil. I met a chick in Sao Paulo, who initially appeared nasty and bitchy, but had the goods. I went along with that and in no time, made her laugh. It was smooth sailing from there.

[QUOTE=*****man;2175345]If you want to leave a tip then all well and good but I've never once had a situation where I got a GFE first time, didn't leave a tip and then didn't get one second time.[/QUOTE]Same here. And I can only think of one P4P girl in hundreds who engaged in BBFS/true GFE with me but changed her mind and wouldn't do it in a subsequent session, regardless of generous tip or not. She was a go-go dancer in Sharks on Soi Cowboy when she did engage in it with me but stopped after she started working at Baccara. LOL.

I have no idea if the change in venue had anything to do with it. All I remember is when she informed me she wasn't doing that with me or any customers anymore, I just said Mai Pen Rai (no problem) and didn't barfine her again.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2175402]Just a comment, from my experience GFE has always been up to the girl, and never dependent on the club / venue, at least for me. Granted, some venues are known to have more GFE girls than others. But, I have learned through the years to get GFE by working on the provider during the session.

I just got back last night from a mongering trip to Colombia and Sao Paulo, Brazil. I met a chick in Sao Paulo, who initially appeared nasty and bitchy, but had the goods. I went along with that and in no time, made her laugh. It was smooth sailing from there.[/QUOTE]Well, Bkkdog and I have perhaps been a little too cryptic here in mostly using the code phrase "true GFE" and not just "GFE" to refer to BBFS (although I am the only one who did spell it out as BBFS here and there, so who knows if others meant it that way or not). And that most assuredly is not what most posters here mean when they refer to a GFE they got with this or that P4P lady.

So are you talking about the same kind if "true GFE" I have been talking about here? Or just "GFE", which is generally accepted as something significantly different?

What is full name or web page?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2175402]Just a comment, from my experience GFE has always been up to the girl, and never dependent on the club / venue, at least for me. Granted, some venues are known to have more GFE girls than others. But, I have learned through the years to get GFE by working on the provider during the session.

I just got back last night from a mongering trip to Colombia and Sao Paulo, Brazil. I met a chick in Sao Paulo, who initially appeared nasty and bitchy, but had the goods. I went along with that and in no time, made her laugh. It was smooth sailing from there.[/QUOTE]

Booked Candy from SW yesterday at 3. 30 pm for 1. 30 h. Damage is the usual 2. 100 Bath.

There's not much that hasn't been said already. Good services, willing to please you and overall good fun. She's petite and it's true that she barely have tits and she has some baby damage but she has a very pretty face. Not sure that she does anal as I'm not into it. I'm sure it has been reported that she does or not. As all girls in SW you can have multiple pops.

Addict told me that Mali will be back next week. Of course you want to call them before you go.

[QUOTE=*****man;2159496]Latest update on Mali is that she'll be back next month. I think she might have stopped working there for good though. The best girls tend not to hang around soi 24 for long.

Any other suggestions for a young, slim, baby-free girl?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2175402]Just a comment, from my experience GFE has always been up to the girl, and never dependent on the club / venue, at least for me. Granted, some venues are known to have more GFE girls than others. But, I have learned through the years to get GFE by working on the provider during the session.

I just got back last night from a mongering trip to Colombia and Sao Paulo, Brazil. I met a chick in Sao Paulo, who initially appeared nasty and bitchy, but had the goods. I went along with that and in no time, made her laugh. It was smooth sailing from there.[/QUOTE]I agree with your observation. This is something I've learned from my experience too.

The other side of GFE is BFE (BoyFriend Experience). You need to treat the lady like she is your girlfriend. Or else, it doesn't work.

A relationship is a two-way-street. Both sides define what it is. But you can take the lead in the relationship and get the lady to follow you.

When you start behaving like you are the lady's boyfriend, then it's only natural for her to respond to you like she is your girlfriend. It's the default response that happens automatically, unless the lady thinks about it consciously and decides not to follow your lead.

This kind of thing doesn't work well with ordinary strangers, who don't have any relationship with you at all. You can't just approach a woman and start treating her like she is your girlfriend. She'll probably call the police on you, or something like that.

But when the lady is ready to get intimate with you, then she is totally open to the BoyFriend Experience from you. And it's actually hard for her not to treat you as her boyfriend, when you hug her, show her some affection, and speak nicely with her.

[QUOTE=TConor;2175597]What is full name or web page?[/QUOTE]B&B Entertainment Massage is their full name and they used to have a website but for some reasons they don't use it anymore. Try their Facebook [URL]https://www.facebook.com/bbentertainmentmassage/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2175688]

The other side of GFE is BFE (BoyFriend Experience). You need to treat the lady like she is your girlfriend. [/QUOTE]Treat them mean, keep them keen?

Hello guys,

After 6 months in Thailand, I am about to leave. Had a regular really nice girl from Philippines so I did not do much else than enjoy her company.

But since I am going to leave, there is something I absolutely want to do before leaving and it's a good Soapy Massage. I have been convinced by the quality of the website and the good reviews (I believe) of Bangkok Passion Massage. I also really like that all prices are fixed there, no matter which girl you pick.

Questions:

[URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/masseuses/[/URL]

Do you recommend me any girl in particular? I understand I can book one of them for a specific moment of the working day / evening and then enjoy her services.

I do prefer the quality of the service over the beauty of the girl since I want HJ and not full service at the end. Names that I can check in the website would be appreciated.

Any that you know of? Extra cost? How many shots / session?

[QUOTE=KillArmy;2175823]Hello guys,

After 6 months in Thailand, I am about to leave. Had a regular really nice girl from Philippines so I did not do much else than enjoy her company.

But since I am going to leave, there is something I absolutely want to do before leaving and it's a good Soapy Massage. I have been convinced by the quality of the website and the good reviews (I believe) of Bangkok Passion Massage. I also really like that all prices are fixed there, no matter which girl you pick.

Questions:

[URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/masseuses/[/URL]

Do you recommend me any girl in particular? I understand I can book one of them for a specific moment of the working day / evening and then enjoy her services.

I do prefer the quality of the service over the beauty of the girl since I want HJ and not full service at the end. Names that I can check in the website would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KillArmy;2175823]Hello guys,
since I am going to leave, there is something I absolutely want to do before leaving and it's a good Soapy Massage. I have been convinced by the quality of the website and the good reviews (I believe) of Bangkok Passion Massage. I also really like that all prices are fixed there, no matter which girl you pick.

Questions:

[URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/masseuses/[/URL]

Do you recommend me any girl in particular? I understand I can book one of them for a specific moment of the working day / evening and then enjoy her services.

I do prefer the quality of the service over the beauty of the girl since I want HJ and not full service at the end. Names that I can check in the website would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]1. Passion massage is not a soapy. It is an oily massage parlor. 2. the photos on the web site are not real. Now with that said, I will tell you that I went there one time, stumbled upon the place being more accurate, on my last trip to BKK and I had a nice time with IMHO, the only doable girl in the lineup. Here is my report:

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2126127]Boss Massage:

I had very good experiences the last 3 or 4 times I visited Boss. While I can't rate any of the Boss girls I have ever seen in the flesh as anything close to a stunner and I would have to rate my two as having solid 5. 5 * faces in addition to their having a very sexy overall appearance featuring petite natural breasts and tight little, no fat bodies. I don't know if they exactly qualify as porn stars either, but more importantly to me, my 2 Boss girls were super enthusiastic throughout our sessions and I went back to Boss and purposefully repeated with one of them. I therefore think Boss is a good place to go in the afternoon as long as you do not demand too much in the facial department, but want to have a good time with a nice undamaged girl.

[b]Honey Bee (Passion) Massage:[/b]

Along similar lines I also had a good time in Honey Bee Massage off Soi 22 one afternoon. Actually, after I stumbled into their shop quite by accident on one of my afternoon walkabouts, the mamasan called a lineup of all the girls in the three shops on Soi 22 under her management. I ended up choosing the prettiest girl, in the lineup, perhaps the only doable girl in the lineup - ha ha - an Issan girl from Passion Massage who was 26 and surprised me with her perky tits and flat little tummy when she was fully disrobed. She took pride in her body and told me she never had kids. In any event, L*** sure worked overtime to give me a very satisfying, passionate afternoon good time. I would have happily repeated with her again, but I never found the time to go back and say Hello. Ah, but that's BKK![/QUOTE]

P.S. On my next trip I might go back to both places - Boss & Honey Bee/Passion to see what's up, but then again I might not. It all depends on fate: ie the roll of the dice. I never plan things out too much in advance when I am in BKK punting. I can't recommend anyone because lineups change all the time and your mileage and mine may vary. But there are many decent massage parlors (Soapy and oily) in BKK. Just walk into a one or two mentioned favorably on the forum including the ones in this post and see if any of the girls appeal to you. Then make sure the girl or girls you like are not looking away or act like they do not want to be selected. You will have a good time.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2175119]I have tried the Jaquizzis at B & B, Club 102, Addict, The Lord and Posiden. I think the only ones that you could fit comfortably in would be at Poseidon and The Lord.[/QUOTE]The Lord has shut down, so he's pretty much out of options, as far as soapies are concerned.

BTW, has anybody kept track of which of the main soapies were still open?

Lord. Closed.

Amsterdam. Closed.

Nataree. Closed.

Colonze 2/ Whatever it was called. Closed. (was lousy for me anyway).

Which leaves us with:

Poseidon. Open.

Emmanuelle. Open.

La Defense. Open? (but in another part of town).

Does somebody know of lesser ones that would still be open and who'd have picked up some of the girls?

[QUOTE=ReefLostCause;2176002]The Lord has shut down. BTW, has anybody kept track of which of the main soapies were still open?

Lord. Closed. Amsterdam. Closed. Nataree. Closed. Colonze 2/ Whatever it was called. Closed. (was lousy for me anyway).

Which leaves us with:

Poseidon. Open.

Emmanuelle. Open.

La Defense. Open? (but in another part of town).

Does somebody know of lesser ones that would still be open and who'd have picked up some of the girls?[/QUOTE]Say it's not true! I thought the Lord was closed for renovations only. It's a real blow, LOL, if it is closed permanently. I am bummed out! That was the best soapy in BKK.

What about Copa Cabana? It is under the same Lord Group management company and I would assume many of the Lord girls would now be working there if it is still open. I plan to check that out when I arrive in town.

And what about La Belle? I always considered La Belle a direct competitor to the Lord in 5-star Soapy category. Some of the sideline La Belle girls were simply gorgeous. Unfortunately, I always found service was inconsistent. It was either really, really great (Lord Quality) or just so so and so so is a waste of money, time, and personal vital fluids. Therefore, I bet La Belle is still open. 555.

At Natty Bumpo, I am a bit surprised by your answer since, indeed, it seems to focus mainly on massage but also, according to their website, offer 'Passion Soapy & Bathing Package'. Seems quite close to what I can expect from a Soapy no? Details here: [URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/prices/.[/URL].

Thank you for your report but do you remember the name of the girl so I could eventually book her? Maybe she is in the list I gave.

I am surprised you say the list is fake (maybe the pictures are not very accurate / girls are older but that's a classic) since you can book them in advance for a specific moment of the day / evening by just telling their name.

Any recommendations for a good Soapy for 60/90 min with HJ happy ending for no more than around 2500/3000 would be nice though. Otherwise I will just try my luck with Passion.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2176010]Say it's not true! I thought the Lord was closed for renovations only. It's a real blow, LOL, if it is closed permanently. I am bummed out! That was the best soapy in BKK.

What about Copa Cabana? It is under the same Lord Group management company and I would assume many of the Lord girls would now be working there if it is still open. I plan to check that out when I arrive in town.
[/QUOTE]There is a swag of Soapies closed down recently, with a pretty much common theme, for the illegal used of Artesian (underground water) considered to be causing Bangkok to gradually sink by 1 cm per year. Even Annies. This does not apply to old closures like Nataree which closed due to age problems, sex trafficking, foreign girls (non Thai), tax evasion etc.

I doubt the Lord would have needed renovations so possibly another one in the same category. It will be excellent for the improved business of the remaining Soapies which tended to have a lack of customers.

[QUOTE=KillArmy;2176055]At Natty Bumpo, I am a bit surprised by your answer since, indeed, it seems to focus mainly on massage but also, according to their website, offer 'Passion Soapy & Bathing Package'. Seems quite close to what I can expect from a Soapy no? Details here: [URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/prices/.[/URL].
[/QUOTE]The differences between a "Soapy" and an "Oily" blur, but essentially there are certain things that make for a proper "Soapy" massage venue, and it does not really relate to the possibility that the room has a bath.

1. Firstly when you enter a Soapy, there should be a large line up of girls in a seated area, often tiered seating and often behind glass, so that the girls cannot hear discussions between the Chearperson and the customers. Oilies do not have a fishbowl typically.

2. In a Soapy, the customer can sit and order a drink or food while viewing the girl line up, possibly calling girls over to the table to give them a drink or have a chat. The customer is usually under no obligation to choose a girl in a big hurry. You can wait for further girls to arrive in the line up before selecting. Oilies do not provide for customer to sit and eat and drink for a long time and choose a girl much later.

3. Having chosen a girl, she will normally spend considerable time in a Soapy bubble bath getting you very clean before migration to a proper bed for sex (rarely any actual massage in my experience but Thai massage is possible). Oilies don't have proper beds, only massage mats.

4. Having a bodyslide mat is an optional that used to be available in some Soapies. However modern day Nuru massage joints have this and are still not full Soapies. Addict has a soapy bubble bath and optional mats for a body slide but still does not fully qualify to be a soapy (fails point 1).

As Natty points out, Honey Bee / Passion are probably not meeting the aspects typical of a Soapy. I haven't been there so I speculate, but Natty knows very well for sure.

Even Annies did not meet the typical aspects of a Soapy, so while it was generally known as a Soapy, I saw it as closer to an Oily pretending to be a Soapy. Having a body slide and a bath is not enough. Annies would have best been described as a hybrid between Soapy and Oily as the facilities were not really up to standard. No bed. Small bath. No ability to view the line up for long time periods. Girls not in the fish bowl continuously, till chosen.

Soapies have all in prices, so if you don't want full sex, you will still pay for it. Many years ago some Soapies (Chao Phraya 2) had a price for Thai massage only and sex could be an extra payment to girl.