Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1667519]On the bed she refuses BBJ. She tells me all the girls do CBJ only. (ISG: is this true? I haven't heart of this.) CBJ would be okay with some ladies, but with her I wasn't at all aroused. I leave and ask for a refund. One isn't given.[/QUOTE]Every time I've been to a soapie in Thailand its been BBBJ.

By the end of December I paid a visit to the Fahrenheit Agogo and was quoted 2000 Bath for a ST with a very attractive girl (as reported by me on December 23). Back then I thought it was 'only' 2000 instead of the usual 2500 (or even more) because they didn't seem to have that many customers.

However last week I was again quoted only 2000 Bath for a similar attractive girl in the Sensations Agogo, not the cheapest agogo around as we all know. So I thought 'well maybe she's compensating a little bit for the whopping 1500 Bath bar fine. Or she simply likes me'.

But last night it happened again. A really cute 19 yo little spinner in the Airline Agogo was satisfied with 2000 Bath only. I didn't take the Fahrenheit and Sensations girls but since the bar fine here is only 700 Bath and I had some good chemistry with her I took her to my room and had a reasonably good session. Not the best of the best but slightly above average and certainly worth the money.
I think Airline is one of the better agogo's these days anyway.

So what's happening? Are the prices going down? Or do the girls suddenly like me very much (not very likely, LOL!). Or was it just a coincidence?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1667606]By the end of December I paid a visit to the Fahrenheit Agogo and was quoted 2000 Bath for a ST with a very attractive girl (as reported by me on December 23). Back then I thought it was 'only' 2000 instead of the usual 2500 (or even more) because they didn't seem to have that many customers.

However last week I was again quoted only 2000 Bath for a similar attractive girl in the Sensations Agogo, not the cheapest agogo around as we all know. So I thought 'well maybe she's compensating a little bit for the whopping 1500 Bath bar fine. Or she simply likes me'.

But last night it happened again. A really cute 19 yo little spinner in the Airline Agogo was satisfied with 2000 Bath only. I didn't take the Fahrenheit and Sensations girls but since the bar fine here is only 700 Bath and I had some good chemistry with her I took her to my room and had a reasonably good session. Not the best of the best but slightly above average and certainly worth the money.
I think Airline is one of the better agogo's these days anyway.

So what's happening? Are the prices going down? Or do the girls suddenly like me very much (not very likely, LOL!). Or was it just a coincidence?[/QUOTE]The prices are not going down. As with Sensation I believe that they are compensating for the high bar fine and the fact that Sensathey are very competitive since they have so many girls even if nothing is being taken off. I believe there are like 10? Go Go, top one's that command more than the 2000/3000, I too been quoted these rates many with higher BF, and a few with lower one's like too like Lighthouse.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1665826]So, I bid farewell to the LOS. I have the best travel memories that will last me until my number is called.[/QUOTE]Have you alerted the media as surely this is news that every Thai would want sooner rather than later, or are you just concerned about rioting and the return of tanks in the streets?

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1667519]On the bed she refuses BBJ. She tells me all the girls do CBJ only. (ISG: is this true? I haven't heart of this.) CBJ would be okay with some ladies, but with her I wasn't at all aroused. I leave and ask for a refund. One isn't given.[/QUOTE]I always leave it up to the girl whether she does CBJ or BBBJ, but in Thailand I always received BBBJ.

[QUOTE=NotherMonger;1667574]Every time I've been to a soapie in Thailand its been BBBJ.[/QUOTE]I ran into the same run of CBJ's on my first trip, all from soapies and even some of the oil massage joints. After that string of bad luck I'd just ask if the girl gave a BBBJ or CBJ.

Hi,

I had a nice experience with a small girl called Aom.

You can find her at Lighthouse Go Go near the start of Walking ST. I think her number is #43.

She is so sweet and gives great blowjobs either in the shower or on the bed. Small and tiny with long black hair.

Speaks OK English.

I paid 2000 b for longtime.

Treat her nice. I took her 3 times.

[QUOTE=Butter69;1667845]Hi,

I had a nice experience with a small girl called Aom.

You can find her at Lighthouse Go Go near the start of Walking ST. I think her number is #43.

She is so sweet and gives great blowjobs either in the shower or on the bed. Small and tiny with long black hair.

Speaks OK English.

I paid 2000 b for longtime.

Treat her nice. I took her 3 times.[/QUOTE]2000 for LONG time, are you sure about that?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1667682]Have you alerted the media as surely this is news that every Thai would want sooner rather than later or are you just concerned about rioting and the return of tanks in the streets?[/QUOTE]The only thing the Thais will miss is my Baht!:D

No worries, there are more than enough old fat hairy fucks to fill any gap I leave behind.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1667887]2000 for LONG time, are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]Is that too much or too little?

[QUOTE=Steve7777;1667911]Is that too much or too little?[/QUOTE]With a minimum wage of 300 baht a day I will say it's too much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668083]With a minimum wage of 300 baht a day I will say it's too much.[/QUOTE]Come on Man, you know that women working in bars and go-go's can charge more than FLs. May be not worth it, but that's the way it is.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1668263]Come on Man, you know that women working in bars and go-go's can charge more than FLs. May be not worth it, but that's the way it is.[/QUOTE]Any of them can charge anything. That is where negotiating skills come into play. We will exchange numbers and you can come over after work or on your day off. I'm not saying all will do it, but the majority will (speaking from me and my friends' experiences). Some guys have more money than time and insist on having a certain girl right then and there. I would rather walk down and fuck all the cows instead of run down and fuck only one though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668271]Any of them can charge anything. That is where negotiating skills come into play. We will exchange numbers and you can come over after work or on your day off. I'm not saying all will do it, but the majority will (speaking from me and my friends' experiences). Some guys have more money than time and insist on having a certain girl right then and there. I would rather walk down and fuck all the cows instead of run down and fuck only one though.[/QUOTE]I'm with with you but I don't fuck anything with more than one stomach. Cows supposedly have four so can't do them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668271]Any of them can charge anything. We will exchange numbers and you can come over after work or on your day off. I'm not saying all will do it, but the majority will (speaking from me and my friends' experiences). Some guys have more money than time and insist on having a certain girl right then and there. [/QUOTE]Mr E, as you well know, this is the advantage that ex-pats like yourself have over most travelers and visitors. It is misleading to newbies on the board to conflate the two price scenarios.

Example 1: walk into Sensations A Go Go, my current favorite, at 8:30 pm cold turkey ie not having a prior history with a particular hottie you like and desiring to barfine her after a couple of Tequilas. The then and there price is 1500 bt Barfine and 2000 bt ST /3000 bt LT. Example 2: walk into same Go Go, sit down with a girl who you already know or who knows you live in Pat. Tell her you want to see her later when she gets off work and she will, if she likes you, come over between 2am and 3am, spend the night and most of the next day with multiple shags for 1000 bt and no barfine. And if you are a nice guy you will feed her. 555.

Personally I prefer to have it when I want it, with who I want it, and not wait. So I am willing to pay up for it (list price). To each their own. Although I am sure that if I lived in LOS full time I would have more girls at my beck and call than I would know what to do with and as a result I would pay less than I now do. I can't wait for the big move!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1668279]Mr E, as you well know, this is the advantage that ex-pats like yourself have over most travelers and visitors. It is misleading to newbies on the board to conflate the two price scenarios.

Personally I prefer to have it when I want it, with who I want it, and not wait. So I am willing to pay up for it (list price). To each their own. Although I am sure that if I lived in LOS full time I would have more girls at my beck and call than I would know what to do with and as a result I would pay less than I now do. I can't wait for the big move![/QUOTE]Yes I agree to each their own. Me personally, I would never pay a 1500 bt barfine. I never found the need. When I go to LOS, I am there for months at a time so time is on my side. Also have some go to numbers if needed. I am headed back in three days. I can't stop smiling.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668271]Any of them can charge anything. That is where negotiating skills come into play. We will exchange numbers and you can come over after work or on your day off. I'm not saying all will do it, but the majority will (speaking from me and my friends' experiences). Some guys have more money than time and insist on having a certain girl right then and there. I would rather walk down and fuck all the cows instead of run down and fuck only one though.[/QUOTE]If you can get the cream of the crop young hottie stunners from the G0 Go's for 1000 baht LT my hat is off to you as these type just won't budge these days for less than 2000ST. My guess, though, is that you prefer girls a bit older and perhaps a bit less stunning in looks but are experienced and deliver great performance, right? You've said that before. Those you can get for 1000 baht LT if they like you, you negotiate well, and you can build a little rapport.

I have regulars that come to my room ST for 500 baht, but I'm paying 2000ST for a drop dead gorgeous Go-Go prettiest girl in the bar showgirl stunner type who comes over and knocks my lights out. I'm willing to give myself a little extra treat from time to time for high quality pussy. I don't want to fuck all the cows; just the ones I want.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1668327]I would never pay a 1500 bt barfine. I never found the need. When I go to LOS, I am there for months at a time so time is on my side. Also have some go to numbers if needed. I am headed back in three days. I can't stop smiling.[/QUOTE]I was a little surprised when the two Sensations Go Go girls I was flirting with told me the amount of the barfine in their bar. Then I performed a quick math calculation in my head; down the street in the Happy Go Go Group (Baccara, Happy, Peppermint, and Beach) the barfine is 700 bt, more reasonable, yes and there are no agency girls, but those Happy Group girls want 2500 bt for ST these days. Since my two Sensations Agency girls were better looking, IMHO, and friendlier than most girls I meet in Baccara, for example, I realized that letting 300 bt stand in the way of a good time would be a dumb move on my part. Looking back on it I have no doubt that I made the right decision. The Sensations girls were great. I am looking forward to seeing them again when I return to Pat.

Now I know could have waited until midnight when the Sensations barfine drops to 1000 bt or I could have followed Mr. E's game plan and waited until Sensations closed gambling that my two girls would have no luck landing a customer that night and might meet me later at Ibar possibly asking less than 2000 bt and no barfine, but it was 9:30 pm, the girls were very sexy, friendly, and in their prime, and I wanted to shag them then and there. That's my MO. First I find what I like, then if they are nice, I bag 'em and tag 'em.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1668367]I was a little surprised when the two Sensations Go Go girls I was flirting with told me the amount of the barfine in their bar. Then I performed a quick math calculation in my head; down the street in the Happy Go Go Group (Baccara, Happy, Peppermint, and Beach) the barfine is 700 bt, more reasonable, yes and there are no agency girls, but those Happy Group girls want 2500 bt for ST these days. Since my two Sensations Agency girls were better looking, IMHO, and friendlier than most girls I meet in Baccara, for example, I realized that letting 300 bt stand in the way of a good time would be a dumb move on my part. Looking back on it I have no doubt that I made the right decision. The Sensations girls were great. I am looking forward to seeing them again when I return to Pat.

Now I know could have waited until midnight when the Sensations barfine drops to 1000 bt or I could have followed Mr. E's game plan and waited until Sensations closed gambling that my two girls would have no luck landing a customer that night and might meet me later at Ibar possibly asking less than 2000 bt and no barfine, but it was 9:30 pm, the girls were very sexy, friendly, and in their prime, and I wanted to shag them then and there. That's my MO. First I find what I like, then if they are nice, I bag 'em and tag 'em.[/QUOTE]I never tell another man how to spend his money. If you felt it was worth it, go for it a have some fun. Truth be told I wouldn't pay 700 bt barfine. LOL I have time to wait them out.

Sensation is somewhat unique because there are just so many girls like over a Hundred? And that gives you a better chance something is left to your liking after Midnight which the Barfine drops to 1000 Baht. I do have to say at Sensation there are two girls with the biggest tits I have ever seen work at any Go Go, and they're covered and thank god they are because they would drop on the floor. I go lick those mellows all night but never could put the trigger to BF them since I would feel awkward like buying too many watermelons taking them home. At other clubs with much less line up at same structure BF, usually the picking is slim to none.

Barfine at the Happy Group as pointed out in early December has risen to 800 Baht and drinks are a tick 5 Baht higher. Still low compare to the other clubs that have structure Barfines?

I do not think there are that many girls that work Go Go's on Walking Street that Freelance after they get off which is usually 3/4 am, Majority of the venues I have gone into and brought LD the majority of them have Thai boyfriend or partial sponsors. I have seem more girls from Go Go's from L. K. Metro which has a earlier closing time. I've seen many from Soi 6. The generalization to me at least is you can wait until they get off no Barfine and less money is a big?? But yes I would not deny it happens.

And if you are a night Owl like Mr. E, that has game and can talk the talk and walk the walk I have no problem with that. I know a certain BM, who does his living down on Walking St. When in town, has looks, game and does it all like a all you can eat buffet and within his budget.

Enjoy.

A new Go Go opened last night near the beginning of W. S. It is the old location to a place called Halo. The place is was under construction for sometime hoping to open during the holidays but from observation it was pretty much poor planning?

The place is well done, big pretty much white all around with comfortable seating. As guess, I had a feeling with what has been going on with all the new openings this one would end up the same NO NUDITY it is pretty much like girl less Sensation. One of the waitres told me same BF structure as Sensation 1500/1000 after midnight. Could not get any information as to the ST? LT rates.

Unless you sit in the middle hard to see the girls. There are three stages and the rotation was so slow I did not want to continue drinking waiting for the set to end. In 30 minutes they change once. The Line up was not bad but like I said didn't want to wait and since no Nudity I was gone after two drinks. My Sang Rock was 130 baht pretty standard.

It is rumor that the place is owned by the Airport people?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1668417]A new Go Go opened last night near the beginning of W. S. It is the old location to a place called Halo. The place is was under construction for sometime hoping to open during the holidays but from observation it was pretty much poor planning?

The place is well done, big pretty much white all around with comfortable seating. As guess, I had a feeling with what has been going on with all the new openings this one would end up the same NO NUDITY it is pretty much like girl less Sensation. One of the waitres told me same BF structure as Sensation 1500/1000 after midnight. Could not get any information as to the ST? LT rates.

Unless you sit in the middle hard to see the girls. There are three stages and the rotation was so slow I did not want to continue drinking waiting for the set to end. In 30 minutes they change once. The Line up was not bad but like I said didn't want to wait and since no Nudity I was gone after two drinks. My Sang Rock was 130 baht pretty standard.

It is rumor that the place is owned by the Airport people?[/QUOTE]I was there too yesterday. It's a long and narrow agogo and as you say that makes it difficult to get a good impression of all the available girls (unless you change seats). And indeed the slow rotation doesn't help either. It's also quite boring to look at the same girls for half an hour.

What striked me was that the stage is very low, maybe only 40 cm high. So the girls are very close.

I was not impressed with the line up, it was below average IMHO (no. 75 was a cutie though). They were also hardly making any eye contact with the customers but that seems to be quite standard coyote'ish behavior.

My orange juice was also 130 Bath, pretty steep.

Do you mean that it's rumor that the place is owned by the Airline people (Airline Agogo)? I suppose you don't mean Suvarnabhumi, LOL!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1668479]I was there too yesterday. It's a long and narrow agogo and as you say that makes it difficult to get a good impression of all the available girls (unless you change seats). And indeed the slow rotation doesn't help either. It's also quite boring to look at the same girls for half an hour.

What striked me was that the stage is very low, maybe only 40 cm high. So the girls are very close.

I was not impressed with the line up, it was below average IMHO (no. 75 was a cutie though). They were also hardly making any eye contact with the customers but that seems to be quite standard coyote'ish behavior.

My orange juice was also 130 Bath, pretty steep.

Do you mean that it's rumor that the place is owned by the Airline people (Airline Agogo)? I suppose you don't mean Suvarnabhumi, LOL![/QUOTE]LBM probably meant management is same as Airport Club GoGo on WS, filled with coyotes and few regular girls who don't seem worthy of a bar fine (it's an extremely narrow and rectangular go go - Don't like this place one bit due to a bitter experience).

I recently spend nearly a week in Pattaya, perusing the Beach Road offerings. I found succor precisely twice from the beach during that time - the offerings were that bad. It wasn't that there were [i]no[/i] girls, though certainly there were very few, so the dearth couldn't be attributed to the police crackdowns. It simply appeared that there were so many customers compared to available girls that it wasn't easy to find anything worthwhile.

I did manage to find a few things to occupy myself from massage parlours and whatnot, but the kind of service I used to hope for in Pattaya was simply not to be found anywhere.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1668507]LBM probably meant management is same as Airport Club GoGo on WS, filled with coyotes and few regular girls who don't seem worthy of a bar fine (it's an extremely narrow and rectangular go go - Don't like this place one bit due to a bitter experience).[/QUOTE]Yes, my apologies. Last night I saw there's a sign right above the entrance that says 'Sexy Airline' but above that there's a much bigger sign that says 'Airport Club'. Guess I never noticed, not knowingly anyway.

As opposed to you I like this place. So far I've barfined two girls and they were both fine, the first one was even excellent. But as always YMMV.

In November / December they had an amazing line up. It has gone down a little bit now in January but it's still good.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1668367] The Sensations girls were great.[/QUOTE]So they were sensational?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668271]Any of them can charge anything. That is where negotiating skills come into play. We will exchange numbers and you can come over after work or on your day off. I'm not saying all will do it, but the majority will (speaking from me and my friends' experiences). Some guys have more money than time and insist on having a certain girl right then and there. I would rather walk down and fuck all the cows instead of run down and fuck only one though.[/QUOTE]So now you finally admit that not all of the girls will do it. So far you always gave the impression (to me anyway) that you could get any girl you want for 500 Bath ST or 1000 Bath LT, which was not very credible.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1668279]Mr E, as you well know, this is the advantage that ex-pats like yourself have over most travelers and visitors. It is misleading to newbies on the board to conflate the two price scenarios.

Example 1: walk into Sensations A Go Go, my current favorite, at 8:30 pm cold turkey ie not having a prior history with a particular hottie you like and desiring to barfine her after a couple of Tequilas. The then and there price is 1500 bt Barfine and 2000 bt ST /3000 bt LT. Example 2: walk into same Go Go, sit down with a girl who you already know or who knows you live in Pat. Tell her you want to see her later when she gets off work and she will, if she likes you, come over between 2am and 3am, spend the night and most of the next day with multiple shags for 1000 bt and no barfine. And if you are a nice guy you will feed her. 555.

Personally I prefer to have it when I want it, with who I want it, and not wait. So I am willing to pay up for it (list price). To each their own. Although I am sure that if I lived in LOS full time I would have more girls at my beck and call than I would know what to do with and as a result I would pay less than I now do. I can't wait for the big move![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Daddy07;1668345]If you can get the cream of the crop young hottie stunners from the G0 Go's for 1000 baht LT my hat is off to you as these type just won't budge these days for less than 2000ST. My guess, though, is that you prefer girls a bit older and perhaps a bit less stunning in looks but are experienced and deliver great performance, right? You've said that before. Those you can get for 1000 baht LT if they like you, you negotiate well, and you can build a little rapport.

I have regulars that come to my room ST for 500 baht, but I'm paying 2000ST for a drop dead gorgeous Go-Go prettiest girl in the bar showgirl stunner type who comes over and knocks my lights out. I'm willing to give myself a little extra treat from time to time for high quality pussy. I don't want to fuck all the cows; just the ones I want.[/QUOTE]Thanks NB and Daddy for your excellent analysis! You've made it perfectly clear why mr E. 's statements can be misleading.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1668783]So now you finally admit that not all of the girls will do it. So far you always gave the impression (to me anyway) that you could get any girl you want for 500 Bath ST or 1000 Bath LT, which was not very credible.[/QUOTE]Admit? I never said 100% of anything. I don't deal in absolutes. It's you guys that are saying it is not possible. I said bullshit it is possible and is done everyday. First of all Your Mileage May Vary. Not every guy can get every girl whether she is a hooker and you are paying or not.

There is a chick who I have been trying to fuck for 3 years. She would never do it because I deal with one of her friends. Even though the friend said it was okay. My wingman met the chick on Tagged in November and she turned out to be a freak for him. The way I looked at it is that it is good that if I couldn't hit at least one of my friends did. But just because I couldn't get the girl I would not go saying that it is not credible that a guy could get her as you are trying to say about hookers who will moonlight from their regular barfinable venues. Just because you can't close the deal don't assume that it is impossible for the deal to be closed by others.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1668279]Mr E, as you well know, this is the advantage that ex-pats like yourself have over most travelers and visitors. It is misleading to newbies on the board to conflate the two price scenarios.

Example 1: walk into Sensations A Go Go, my current favorite, at 8:30 pm cold turkey ie not having a prior history with a particular hottie you like and desiring to barfine her after a couple of Tequilas. The then and there price is 1500 bt Barfine and 2000 bt ST /3000 bt LT. Example 2: walk into same Go Go, sit down with a girl who you already know or who knows you live in Pat. Tell her you want to see her later when she gets off work and she will, if she likes you, come over between 2am and 3am, spend the night and most of the next day with multiple shags for 1000 bt and no barfine. And if you are a nice guy you will feed her. 555.

Personally I prefer to have it when I want it, with who I want it, and not wait. So I am willing to pay up for it (list price). To each their own. Although I am sure that if I lived in LOS full time I would have more girls at my beck and call than I would know what to do with and as a result I would pay less than I now do. I can't wait for the big move![/QUOTE]No surprise that my man NB hits the nail right on the head. There is a HUGE difference between being in town for a short time and residing there.

For us short timers Time is Money. We can't' afford to pass up amazing opportunities just to save a few hundred baht. We did not come from half around the world to go hem alone with our schwantz in our hands.

Guys that live here have the time to play the game, collect numbers, and get the better deals. And the luxury to pass up on an opportunity knowing that they are in it for the long haul.

Shit if I lived in Pattaya I would have a dozen or so regulars on speed dial and would probably only venture out form time to time to add a new girl when I got bored.

You long timers live a charmed life. So don't hold it against us regular SOBs if we "overpay".

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1668860]No surprise that my man NB hits the nail right on the head. There is a HUGE difference between being in town for a short time and residing there.

For us short timers Time is Money. We can't' afford to pass up amazing opportunities just to save a few hundred baht. We did not come from half around the world to go hem alone with our schwantz in our hands.

Guys that live here have the time to play the game, collect numbers, and get the better deals. And the luxury to pass up on an opportunity knowing that they are in it for the long haul.

Shit if I lived in Pattaya I would have a dozen or so regulars on speed dial and would probably only venture out form time to time to add a new girl when I got bored.

You long timers live a charmed life. So don't hold it against us regular SOBs if we "overpay".[/QUOTE]Don't fret over Mr E. I bet a million he isn't getting better deals than you by any significant amount. He is paying market prices for girls he goes for- the older saggy ones.

Anyways, Is it really fun to haggle a prostitute for rock bottom prices anyway?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1668860]You long timers live a charmed life. So don't hold it against us regular SOBs if we "overpay".[/QUOTE]Now that's exactly what irritates me about Mr E. Always commenting that we 'short time visitors' pay too much and that the real price is 500 ST and 1000 LT. It's only the real price for long timers and not even for every girl.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1668860]No surprise that my man NB hits the nail right on the head. There is a HUGE difference between being in town for a short time and residing there.

For us short timers Time is Money. We can't' afford to pass up amazing opportunities just to save a few hundred baht. We did not come from half around the world to go hem alone with our schwantz in our hands.

Guys that live here have the time to play the game, collect numbers, and get the better deals. And the luxury to pass up on an opportunity knowing that they are in it for the long haul.

Shit if I lived in Pattaya I would have a dozen or so regulars on speed dial and would probably only venture out form time to time to add a new girl when I got bored.

You long timers live a charmed life. So don't hold it against us regular SOBs if we "overpay".[/QUOTE]Not always true there are exceptions to the rule? I know a few guys that come here and are on a budget. Maybe they are young and Asians but they know exactly where to stay, how much they want to pay whether it is a Go Go, Beer Bar, Disco, etc. reminds me what it use to be like for me when I use to visit each summer in Hong Kong and before China really open up. What I have found out about Thai girls and ladies it never surprises me as to how they think and make decisions when they are really happy with a customers that is why I do not entered into the conversation in regards to Mr. E, I know him but not well but seen him in action. Even at my age I've been offered free or cheap pussy, bareback but I also learned to just pay for it and strap up no matter how good it can be because they usually have a motive like a pot of gold at the other end of the rainbow. Living here can also be a curse? A potential sponsor without having to leave the country, a regular I can call when business is slow or I just want to have a day off going dinner and party. Collecting numbers can be great but make sure you control them so that when you want a break and put your head down on the pillow the phone doesn't ring or DING DONG!

Bliss Lounge, the BJ bar on Third Road, has raised the price to 800 B.

Found another naughty WS A-go-go, Sugarbabys. As you walk in it looks a little G-rated. All the naughtiness is towards the back, with a functioning jacuzzi and a smaller stage.
Once seated, saw a gent DATY one of the Dancers on the small stage. Another dancer sitting between two dudes was being manhandled by them. Looked like she was enjoying it.
I thought many of the dancers were attractive, mid twenties, I'd say. And they're not wearing panties, and get nekkid towards the back. Ladies were doing a lot of crotch groping too.
Ladies I interacted with allowed fingering and insertion. :cool: I went with a Brit I met, one lady wanted 5000 baht to do us both. ST, I'm assuming. When I asked about a DP, she said UP to YOU! LOL. Although, it did not rise to the level of Private Dancer, (no BJ's given, that I saw,) I still had an enjoyable time there. On WS before Soi 15, open til 3a, all drinks are 150 baht: beer, LD's, and shots.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1668902]Found another naughty WS A-go-go, Sugarbabys. As you walk in it looks a little G-rated. All the naughtiness is towards the back, with a functioning jacuzzi and a smaller stage.
Once seated, saw a gent DATY one of the Dancers on the small stage. Another dancer sitting between two dudes was being manhandled by them. Looked like she was enjoying it.
I thought many of the dancers were attractive, mid twenties, I'd say. And they're not wearing panties, and get nekkid towards the back. Ladies were doing a lot of crotch groping too.
Ladies I interacted with allowed fingering and insertion. :cool: I went with a Brit I met, one lady wanted 5000 baht to do us both. ST, I'm assuming. When I asked about a DP, she said UP to YOU! LOL. Although, it did not rise to the level of Private Dancer, (no BJ's given, that I saw,) I still had an enjoyable time there. On WS before Soi 15, open til 3a, all drinks are 150 baht: beer, LD's, and shots.[/QUOTE]So to recap the naughty Go-Gos are as follows (not in any order):

1. Sugarbaby's.

2. Windmill.

3. Private Dancer.

4. Babydolls - on the other hand the girls are very handsy once you call them over - sometimes that's better than the guy having to do all the work.

I have seen guys inserting bottles into pussies, eating out the girls on stage, soaping them in the tub and basically all those things you mentioned in your report (except perhaps BJs).

Any other Go-Gos go onto the list?

P.S. I could not eat out a girl dancing on stage, just off-putting for me from a hygiene perspective, but a lot of guys get a kick out of it (and are very enthusiastic about it).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1668895]Now that's exactly what irritates me about Mr E. Always commenting that we 'short time visitors' pay too much and that the real price is 500 ST and 1000 LT. It's only the real price for long timers and not even for every girl.[/QUOTE]I have not always been a long timer but I have always paid the same price. Like I said YMMV. There are guys who will go with the first price someone gives them because they don't want to upset the balance, chemistry, or vibe and there are guys like me who, if not given what they feel is a reasonable price or feel they can get what they are after for less, will negotiate.

One thing I often hear when I tell a chick I'm not paying a bar fine and I'm only giving her 1000 baht is that, "You know too much. " Everyone, whether monger or hooker, is free to accept or turn down any price. Pay what you want. It does not bother me one bit and does not affect my game. The way I look at it is that the more another guy gives her, the less I will have to; not that if she got 3000 from you then I will have to give 3000 as well. I'm just saying that the most expensive way or the widely published way is not the only option. One can always try sneaking through the back door of the club to avoid the cover charge.

It's the same thing with taxis from BKK to Pattaya. You have guys that will arrive at the airport and get a taxi for 2000 or 1500 all day long and not think twice about it or think that is the usual/normal/regular/real taxi price. Then you have other guys like me who know they can walk right upstairs, go outside and cross the median, and get the same damn taxi for 900 baht. Why it would irritate you that I try to pull someones coat to let them know there are alternate roads to Rome is beyond me. I could give a fuck less how you get there, but if I know of a better or cheaper way then I will bring it up to you and hope you would do the same for me.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1668909]So to recap the naughty Go-Gos are as follows (not in any order):
1. Sugarbaby's.

2. Windmill.

3. Private Dancer.

4. Babydolls - on the other hand the girls are very handsy once you call them over - sometimes that's better than the guy having to do all the work.
I have seen guys inserting bottles into pussies, eating out the girls on stage, soaping them in the tub and basically all those things you mentioned in your report (except perhaps BJs).
Any other Go-Gos go onto the list?
P.S. I could not eat out a girl dancing on stage, just off-putting for me from a hygiene perspective,[/QUOTE]Private Dancer is the naughtiest. Windmill's dancers looked average or below average to me. I'm still looking, but that may be it, per an ex-pat here.
Sugarbaby dancers DO clean themselves after getting a licking. LOL. Also forgot to mention, they wear sexy schoolgirl costumes, with very small skirts. Search for them on Facebook to see. Draft beer is 90 baht, I think.

With one exception. When you are a short timer like me and only have a few weeks, I will work hard my first few days mongering and hopefully shag as many young ladies I can. Then I will collect their phone numbers, also make sure you have given them or done something to remember you by because they probably are getting many guy calls if they are pretty and hot, and start calling or texting the good ones the following weeks for no bar fine and reduced ST or LT charges. It doesn't always work and it won't be as good as living in Pattaya and having all the time to work the scene, but it has saved me some serious baht and I know what I am getting when I hook up. Just food for thought.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1668860]No surprise that my man NB hits the nail right on the head. There is a HUGE difference between being in town for a short time and residing there.

For us short timers Time is Money. We can't' afford to pass up amazing opportunities just to save a few hundred baht. We did not come from half around the world to go hem alone with our schwantz in our hands.

Guys that live here have the time to play the game, collect numbers, and get the better deals. And the luxury to pass up on an opportunity knowing that they are in it for the long haul.

Shit if I lived in Pattaya I would have a dozen or so regulars on speed dial and would probably only venture out form time to time to add a new girl when I got bored.

You long timers live a charmed life. So don't hold it against us regular SOBs if we "overpay".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1668897]Living here can also be a curse? A potential sponsor without having to leave the country, a regular I can call when business is slow or I just want to have a day off going dinner and party. Collecting numbers can be great but make sure you control them so that when you want a break and put your head down on the pillow the phone doesn't ring or DING DONG![/QUOTE]Haha. Wow, that is a problem I would love to have, my friend.

But I do see your point. It was hard enough juggling one regular who was constantly trying to monopolize my time last trip. I can imagine how hard it must be to have a few of them going at once.

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1668933]With one exception. When you are a short timer like me and only have a few weeks, I will work hard my first few days mongering and hopefully shag as many young ladies I can. Then I will collect their phone numbers, also make sure you have given them or done something to remember you by because they probably are getting many guy calls if they are pretty and hot, and start calling or texting the good ones the following weeks for no bar fine and reduced ST or LT charges. It doesn't always work and it won't be as good as living in Pattaya and having all the time to work the scene, but it has saved me some serious baht and I know what I am getting when I hook up. Just food for thought.[/QUOTE]The longest I've ever done is 2 weeks. So for me, time, rather than money has been the premium. But yes I think what you describe is a good strategy.

I hope to spend a month in Patts end of summer. Sort of a working vacation. And I was planning on doing just what you described.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1668909]So to recap the naughty Go-Gos are as follows (not in any order):

1. Sugarbaby's.

2. Windmill.

3. Private Dancer.

4. Babydolls - on the other hand the girls are very handsy once you call them over - sometimes that's better than the guy having to do all the work.

I have seen guys inserting bottles into pussies, eating out the girls on stage, soaping them in the tub and basically all those things you mentioned in your report (except perhaps BJs).

Any other Go-Gos go onto the list?

P.S. I could not eat out a girl dancing on stage, just off-putting for me from a hygiene perspective, but a lot of guys get a kick out of it (and are very enthusiastic about it).[/QUOTE]The Airport Club has a naughty section as well in the back.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1668895]Now that's exactly what irritates me about Mr E. Always commenting that we 'short time visitors' pay too much and that the real price is 500 ST and 1000 LT. It's only the real price for long timers and not even for every girl.[/QUOTE]Mogwai, The lowest price I have heard from a girl I wanted to take is 2500. I didn't hear any girl whisper 500 or 1000 around me forget ST or LT. For my next trip in February I am expecting prices per encounter between 2500 to 4000 for LT be it walking street or Soi 7/8 bars or LK metro.

I would really want to meet one girl who I would want to take and wants 1000 LT, would be a memorable experience for me for sure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668915]I have not always been a long timer but I have always paid the same price. Like I said YMMV. There are guys who will go with the first price someone gives them because they don't want to upset the balance, chemistry, or vibe and there are guys like me who, if not given what they feel is a reasonable price or feel they can get what they are after for less, will negotiate.

One thing I often hear when I tell a chick I'm not paying a bar fine and I'm only giving her 1000 baht is that, "You know too much. " Everyone, whether monger or hooker, is free to accept or turn down any price. Pay what you want. It does not bother me one bit and does not affect my game. The way I look at it is that the more another guy gives her, the less I will have to; not that if she got 3000 from you then I will have to give 3000 as well. I'm just saying that the most expensive way or the widely published way is not the only option. One can always try sneaking through the back door of the club to avoid the cover charge.

It's the same thing with taxis from BKK to Pattaya. You have guys that will arrive at the airport and get a taxi for 2000 or 1500 all day long and not think twice about it or think that is the usual/normal/regular/real taxi price. Then you have other guys like me who know they can walk right upstairs, go outside and cross the median, and get the same damn taxi for 900 baht. Why it would irritate you that I try to pull someones coat to let them know there are alternate roads to Rome is beyond me. I could give a fuck less how you get there, but if I know of a better or cheaper way then I will bring it up to you and hope you would do the same for me.[/QUOTE]No reason to get aggressive. All I'm saying was that it irritates me that you often comment that guys pay too much when this is simply not true.
Like recently when Butter69 reported that he got a cutie from the Lighthouse Agogo for 2000 LT (post #15845).
I asked him: 2000 for LONG time, are you sure about that? (#15846).
Steve7777 replies: Is that too much or too little? (#15848).
And then you reply: With a minimum wage of 300 baht a day I will say it's too much. (#15849).

No, it's not too much! Given the fact that the 'list price' (as Natty Bumpo called it strikingly) for LT for a good looking Agogo girl is in the range of 4000 to 5000 Bath this guy made a very good deal.
The majority of us punters have to deal with the list prices for ST and LT. We might be able to get a girl for 500 Bath (ST) or 1000 Bath (LT) less but that's about it.
OK, every once in a while you might run into a girl who likes you very much and quotes you only 1000 ST. That happens. But most of the time the girls will laugh in your face and say 'next!' when you offer only 1000. And that is for ST. You are able (apparently) to get a lot of girls for 1000 LT. Fine, I'm happy for you. But it takes quite some effort, game and time that the average punter doesn't have and you often 'forget' to mention that. You make it seem like we are all losers who pay way too much. And that is what irritates me because it's simply not true.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1669233]No reason to get aggressive. All I'm saying was that it irritates me that you often comment that guys pay too much when this is simply not true.
Like recently when Butter69 reported that he got a cutie from the Lighthouse Agogo for 2000 LT (post #15845).
I asked him: 2000 for LONG time, are you sure about that? (#15846).
Steve7777 replies: Is that too much or too little? (#15848).
And then you reply: With a minimum wage of 300 baht a day I will say it's too much. (#15849).

No, it's not too much! Given the fact that the 'list price' (as Natty Bumpo called it strikingly) for LT for a good looking Agogo girl is in the range of 4000 to 5000 Bath this guy made a very good deal.
The majority of us punters have to deal with the list prices for ST and LT. We might be able to get a girl for 500 Bath (ST) or 1000 Bath (LT) less but that's about it.
OK, every once in a while you might run into a girl who likes you very much and quotes you only 1000 ST. That happens. But most of the time the girls will laugh in your face and say 'next!' when you offer only 1000. And that is for ST. You are able (apparently) to get a lot of girls for 1000 LT. Fine, I'm happy for you. But it takes quite some effort, game and time that the average punter doesn't have and you often 'forget' to mention that. You make it seem like we are all losers who pay way too much. And that is what irritates me because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]Black American guys like him generally go for the fat assed type girls. With high end GoGo chicks you are competing with Jap and Koreans. He with marauding gangs of Indians. Apples and oranges.

Two days ago. I been there. And find the girl name Aow. #43. Black hair. And buy her drink and her friend drink. And the barfine for her is 700 B and she quoted me 4000 for LT.

Anyway. She is not my type. I am from Asian. 22 years old. Not fat. Maybe she think I am very rich.

And I been many gogobars take a look. I want to say. The quality is poor. Can't believe now is high season. I don't like happy group. So I not been there for a check.

But Heaven above gogobar was surprised me. Some nice looking girls and nude. Barfine for show girls is 1000. Bikini girls is 700. ST 2000 LT 3000. Some girls only go ST.

If you like hands on or get a BJ in gogo. You can go Private dancer. I saw two guys get BJ from girls. But the quality is poor too. (wild mills and sugar bady only hands on).

You can fine some new nice looking girls in soi 6/7/8. And other beer bar area. But the Shooters and 69 ers Beer Bar on soi 7 quoted me gogo pirce for ST and LT. WTF.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1668345]I'm paying 2000ST for a drop dead gorgeous Go-Go prettiest girl in the bar showgirl stunner type who comes over and knocks my lights out.[/QUOTE]

This is my one problem with the whole price debate - the idea that if you pay more you will actually get better service (I'm assuming that's what you mean by 'knocks my lights out'). I find that if you throw your money around and pay a lot, what you invariably get is good looks, but [I]much[/I] worse performance. In general the very young good looking girls have hardly any incentive to offer good service.

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I had a gogo girl come over twice after I barfined her (we swapped numbers) and each time she stayed the entire night and each time I gave her 2000 baht. That was my rookie tour, this time around I'll see if 'she' takes less (she as in other repeat girls). Was that above or below the list price for long time? I also had two other girls numbers and they both came over for less than the first time around and stayed longer.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1669350]This is my one problem with the whole price debate - the idea that if you pay more you will actually get better service (I'm assuming that's what you mean by 'knocks my lights out'). I find that if you throw your money around and pay a lot, what you invariably get is good looks, but [I]much[/I] worse performance. In general the very young good looking girls have hardly any incentive to offer good service.[/QUOTE]What I meant was that to me she is beautiful, as sexually appealing as any girl can get, and on top of that she does exactly what I want her to do and does it very well. So yes, I'm paying mostly for her youth and outstanding beauty with the added bonus of a very satisfying PSE performance. In my opinion it's worth the extra few bucks every now and then. One only lives once.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1669613]What I meant was that to me she is beautiful, as sexually appealing as any girl can get, and on top of that she does exactly what I want her to do and does it very well. So yes, I'm paying mostly for her youth and outstanding beauty with the added bonus of a very satisfying PSE performance. In my opinion it's worth the extra few bucks every now and then. One only lives once.[/QUOTE]Sadly, once a gal gets let's say, 2 k as opposed to 1. 5 k, in her mind that is the new price. That is her "worth. " To take less would be a loss of face. I wish LOS was on the same model as the PI. You pay the BF and that includes everything. It standardizes the pricing. I have never tipped in Thailand and have always stuck to the going rate. I have never gotten poor service on a repeat as a result. In addition I am respectful, never try to push a gal past her limits, speak to her in Thai, and present a fun easy going demeanor. Why don't I tip? Well, there will always be some dude after me and I am always after some dude. No reason in any way to spoil the pot or the P4 P gal in this instance. I still liken it to any service. I am not going to pay more than the going rate to the maid, car repair, or lawn service guy. So why would I pay more to a gal who is simply just providing a service for me.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1669527]I had a gogo girl come over twice after I barfined her (we swapped numbers) and each time she stayed the entire night and each time I gave her 2000 baht. That was my rookie tour, this time around I'll see if 'she' takes less (she as in other repeat girls). Was that above or below the list price for long time? I also had two other girls numbers and they both came over for less than the first time around and stayed longer.[/QUOTE]Of course. It's below the list price but repeating customers can get discounts.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1669622]I wish LOS was on the same model as the PI. You pay the BF and that includes everything. It standardizes the pricing. [/QUOTE]The all inclusive EWR (Early Work Release) is still in operation in AC and Barro Barretto Bars, but not in Metro Manila (Makati / Burgos Street Bars or Pasay / EDSA Entertainment Complex Bars). In these two Metro Manila Venues one typically pays the bar a large barfine of from 1900 p ($42) up to 3900 p ($87) depending on the bar plus a roughly equivalent service fee negotiated privately with the ladies for their ST or LT services. Ouch, Manila is expensive! Ladies drinks are subtracted from the barfine however.

In AC the all inclusive EWR is still alive, but AC is changing rapidly and many large and mid sized bars now have a 2 or 3 tiered price system for their girls based on looks and popularity. For example, a 2500 p /3200 p /4200 p barfine structure is becoming more and more common. The default time is still LT, but many girls are choosing to break this implied historic contract by choosing to run after the first shag. Screening your potential AC bar girl is now very important as the system appears to be breaking down.

Only in Subic (Barrio Barretto) is the all inclusive EWR (barfine and service charge) along with uniform pricing for any girl in the bar still intact. This is one of the reasons why I now prefer Subic over AC. I also like the easy going Subic vibe and the attitude of Barrio Barreto girls better.

As to Metro Manila, this is just my opinion, but I strongly believe that the top Pinay working girls in the country in terms of looks and for lack of a better expression, wilder and looser sexual mores are found in Manila not AC or Subic where the payment system (in Manila) is actually very similar to BKK & Pattaya Go Go's, but with the Manila bars getting around 50% of the grand total.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1669636]Of course. It's below the list price but repeating customers can get discounts.[/QUOTE]LOL. You have every excuse in the book why someone can get it cheaper than you or cheaper than "normal price". Just try bargaining for a change instead of believing the 4000 she tells you is carved in stone. Or maybe you are one of those guys who girls tell a higher price because they don't want to go with them. My wingman was not a repeat customer when the girl from Devil's Den came over and fucked him for free a couple of months ago. You say it ain't real life because you don't know what it feels like.

Wow, will visit this bar during next trip. Good naughty bars list is the way to go in WS than being in a gogo with hopes of a good time.

Great work JavaMan and AO.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1668931]Private Dancer is the naughtiest. Windmill's dancers looked average or below average to me. I'm still looking, but that may be it, per an ex-pat here. Sugarbaby dancers DO clean themselves after getting a licking. LOL. Also forgot to mention, they wear sexy schoolgirl costumes, with very small skirts. Search for them on Facebook to see. Draft beer is 90 baht, I think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1669640]The all inclusive EWR (Early Work Release) is still in operation in AC and Barro Barretto Bars, but not in Metro Manila (Makati / Burgos Street Bars or Pasay / EDSA Entertainment Complex Bars). In these two Metro Manila Venues one typically pays the bar a large barfine of from 1900 p ($42) up to 3900 p ($87) depending on the bar plus a roughly equivalent service fee negotiated privately with the ladies for their ST or LT services. Ouch, Manila is expensive! Ladies drinks are subtracted from the barfine however.

In AC the all inclusive EWR is still alive, but AC is changing rapidly and many large and mid sized bars now have a 2 or 3 tiered price system for their girls based on looks and popularity. For example, a 2500 p /3200 p /4200 p barfine structure is becoming more and more common. The default time is still LT, but many girls are choosing to break this implied historic contract by choosing to run after the first shag. Screening your potential AC bar girl is now very important as the system appears to be breaking down.

Only in Subic (Barrio Barretto) is the all inclusive EWR (barfine and service charge) along with uniform pricing for any girl in the bar still intact. This is one of the reasons why I now prefer Subic over AC. I also like the easy going Subic vibe and the attitude of Barrio Barreto girls better.

As to Metro Manila, this is just my opinion, but I strongly believe that the top Pinay working girls in the country in terms of looks and for lack of a better expression, wilder and looser sexual mores are found in Manila not AC or Subic where the payment system (in Manila) is actually very similar to BKK & Pattaya Go Go's, but with the Manila bars getting around 50% of the grand total.[/QUOTE]Bummer to hear that really.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1669652]LOL. You have every excuse in the book why someone can get it cheaper than you or cheaper than "normal price". Just try bargaining for a change instead of believing the 4000 she tells you is carved in stone. Or maybe you are one of those guys who girls tell a higher price because they don't want to go with them. My wingman was not a repeat customer when the girl from Devil's Den came over and fucked him for free a couple of months ago. You say it ain't real life because you don't know what it feels like.[/QUOTE]You still don't get it, do you? Or you don't want to.Of course you can get girls below the normal price. I never said you cannot and it's not the point.
I think I have made my point clearly enough so I won't repeat it.

I went to Baccara the other night and made a plan with Number 15 to do short term, I accepted her terms and she agreed to go get changed, However she changed her mind shortly after. I think she got scared because when she grabbed my junk I saw fear in her eyes. So after that I wander down to Ibar and met a few beautiful young ladies and got some numbers, Met another dude who with with a Thai lady and we wandered over to 808 club around 4 am and I met a few more sexy ladies & a few more numbers.

Those numbers came in handy over the last few days. Anyways around 5 am several beautiful woman arrived I believe from getting off work around walking street. Met a sexy girl who wanted to come with me, So away we went, She spend around 8 hours with me.

808 & Ibar / Insomnia are great pick up spots for girls who like to party and have fun! The past 3 days I didn't get any go go or bar girls because I had so many numbers from the other night! Still wish I had the one that got away. Maybe I will try to take another run at her!

Enjoy my friends!

VW

Has anyone actually got a 75% discount off a normal working girls fee? Example-normal fee of 2,000 you got for 500 baht?

I really doubt it. What actually happens is girl isn't able to get 2,000 in a bar setting but agrees to see one off hours at her true price-500 baht.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1669622]No reason in any way to spoil the pot or the P4 P gal in this instance. I still liken it to any service. I am not going to pay more than the going rate to the maid, car repair, or lawn service guy. So why would I pay more to a gal who is simply just providing a service for me.[/QUOTE]Well then you paid for what you got. Simple.

I wholly concur with D07. I believe it's a modified version of the 80/20 rule. 85 percent of the services you receive fall into the 85 percent range which is good enough. 10 percent are unsatisfactory but that 5 percent (if you are lucky) will consistently fucking nail it exactly the way you like, be it a contractor, sports car mechanic, interior designer, hooker etc.

Then, if money is not an issue for you, you pay whatever you need to in order to keep the relationship strong. Sadly, inevitably it will fade and you have to start again, sigh, and hope you find it again.

If as you say, she provided an ordinary service (85 percent range) then you should not exceed the market rate or less if possible for if she splits then not much lost.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1669350]This is my one problem with the whole price debate - the idea that if you pay more you will actually get better service (I'm assuming that's what you mean by 'knocks my lights out'). I find that if you throw your money around and pay a lot, what you invariably get is good looks, but [I]much[/I] worse performance. In general the very young good looking girls have hardly any incentive to offer good service.[/QUOTE]I think alot of the time this is true. Average ST girls have to work harder to establish themselves.

It necessarily doesn't mean that there are not some beautiful freaks out there also. I have met some fine women who were nasty in bed!. They were not the stuck-up, type of hot. They are a little different. They sort of like to stay under the radar, sort of. I can at times tell just by the way a girl walks and carries herself if she is a freak or not.

Brazilian girls are a good example of this(Though I havent had one.......YET!)

Anyone familiar with this place on 3rd road. Hours, girls, costs and such.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1670606]Anyone familiar with this place on 3rd road. Hours, girls, costs and such.[/QUOTE]The place is well known the name at least on 3rd road down from Soi Leng Kee. It is a typical Beer Bar and the two times I've been there last time two years ago. On both occasions pretty much older ladies, 300 BF, 1000/1500, that was two years ago.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1670662]The place is well known the name at least on 3rd road down from Soi Leng Kee. It is a typical Beer Bar and the two times I've been there last time two years ago. On both occasions pretty much older ladies, 300 BF, 1000/1500, that was two years ago.[/QUOTE]They also have a higher tier lady bfn of 600 Irc, these are the so called dancers on the mini stages there.

Also availability of ST rooms upstairs past the pool tables.

Mtg.

Hello mongers,

Can anyone recommend girl friendly service apartments in Pattaya? Planning a trip soon.

Happy mongering!!

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;1670886]Hello mongers,

Can anyone recommend girl friendly service apartments in Pattaya? Planning a trip soon.

Happy mongering!![/QUOTE]Try look at this. [URL]http://www.viewtalay6.com/condos/13th-floor-vip-suite-153-sqm-ocean-front-hot-tube-balcony/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1670825]They also have a higher tier lady bfn of 600 Irc, these are the so called dancers on the mini stages there.

Also availability of ST rooms upstairs past the pool tables.

Mtg.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is correct thanks for the reminder but I never got past the pool table.

In Pattaya now. Anyone want to have a drink, drop me a message.

Twice this week I came across 2 ladies that looked and dressed like Indians on beach Road. The first time I thought they maybe waiting for someone. Second time, a few days later, pretty sure they were in the game. Went back alone 45 minutes later and they were gone. Tonite no sign of them. Did pick up a 19 year old, no baby hard body, for 800. They are around still.

[QUOTE=VanWilderGuy;1669832]I I think she got scared because when she grabbed my junk I saw fear in her eyes.

VW[/QUOTE]An early nominee for post of the year hahahahahaha. Got to love it!

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1670040]I believe it's a modified version of the 80/20 rule. 85 percent of the services you receive fall into the 85 percent range which is good enough. 10 percent are unsatisfactory but that 5 percent (if you are lucky) will consistently fucking nail it exactly the way you like, be it a contractor, sports car mechanic, interior designer, hooker etc.[/QUOTE]Huh? What you describe is not at all the 80/20 rule, but rather a version of the normal distribution (aka the Bell curve or Gauss curve / function), i.e. 68% of any normal distribution is close to the average, a further 27% is either much better or worse than average and a final 5% is unbelievable bad or good.

The 80/20 rule is related to the Pareto function and was originally based upon the fact that about 80% of wealth is owned by only 20% of people. It has been extended to mean that you have to invest 20% of time / effort to obtain 80% of results, but need 80% of time / effort to get the final 20%.

Perhaps the Pareto principle applies to girls' prices as well: you pay 1000 baht to get an 80% quality service, but to get all you want, you need at least to pay 4000 baht more. :)

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1671801]Twice this week I came across 2 ladies that looked and dressed like Indians on beach Road. The first time I thought they maybe waiting for someone. Second time, a few days later, pretty sure they were in the game. Went back alone 45 minutes later and they were gone. Tonite no sign of them. Did pick up a 19 year old, no baby hard body, for 800. They are around still.[/QUOTE]On January 2nd, I was on Walking Street down from the entrance to Happy G. G. Right there is a bar called Roo and many freelancers are always standing there. On this night I turn and saw 3 Indians ladies not tourist but actually working. Out of the three there was only one with a cute face and maybe in her 20's and the other two was heavy set. All were very dark too dark for my touch plus none of the appeal to me.

Being surprise somewhat I was not the only one. Several times I saw small Indian groups walk by and stopped and stared and waited for their friends to catch up and they all just stood and talk with a big smile on their face. One group slowly got closer and went up tot he girls to talk and then walked away? It seems from the expression on everyone face the price was not right. Thereafter the guy came back and try again only to leave again.

It was clear that these girls were Indians and since then I have not seen them on Walking St.

Are you guys sure that they were Indian? A couple of years ago I ran into some Nepalese chicks (on Walking Street about 8 pm) who could have passed for Indian. They said they come "holiday" in Pattaya every few months. When I first met them they were staying at J House on Beach Rd. The next day when I went to pick one up they had moved to a hotel on Soi 13. They were trying to masquerade as normal vacationers but finally had to say they were there for money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1671927]Are you guys sure that they were Indian? A couple of years ago I ran into some Nepalese chicks (on Walking Street about 8 pm) who could have passed for Indian. They said they come "holiday" in Pattaya every few months. When I first met them they were staying at J House on Beach Rd. The next day when I went to pick one up they had moved to a hotel on Soi 13. They were trying to masquerade as normal vacationers but finally had to say they were there for money.[/QUOTE]It was around that time so could very well be. One was doable for me so will go back for a look see. Also there seem to be more African chicks. Nicer looking too with smaller frames tháand a few months ago. A couple years ago a bar on 2nd road near Soi 7-8 had some very nice girls from Madagascar. Bartender told me there was police trouble so they are no longer there. Not sure where these are from. I do not get down there too often anymore.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1671927]Are you guys sure that they were Indian? A couple of years ago I ran into some Nepalese chicks (on Walking Street about 8 pm) who could have passed for Indian. They said they come "holiday" in Pattaya every few months. When I first met them they were staying at J House on Beach Rd. The next day when I went to pick one up they had moved to a hotel on Soi 13. They were trying to masquerade as normal vacationers but finally had to say they were there for money.[/QUOTE]Not sure whether these new beach road sightings could be Indian WGs, but Pattaya does have 2-3 Indian dance bars which are basically replicating how the dance bars looked in Mumbai prior to their shutting down. It is similar to a GOGo but the girls are dressed conservatively (in comparison to a thai go go) and will be dancing seductively.

Just for some fun, a friend and I stepped into one of these places on 2nd road further up from Soi 13/4. The place was small and had 4 dancers. I did not ask (because I didn't find them attractive), but it could be possible that they are available for take out. It could also be that some of these girls appeared on BR to freelance.

Will have to check out BR to spot these ladies and confirm whether they are actually Indian. Will do so soon, but won't be taking them back for boom boom.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1671950]Not sure whether these new beach road sightings could be Indian WGs, but Pattaya does have 2-3 Indian dance bars which are basically replicating how the dance bars looked in Mumbai prior to their shutting down. It is similar to a GOGo but the girls are dressed conservatively (in comparison to a thai go go) and will be dancing seductively.[/QUOTE]It might be useful for our Indian members to give some addresses here. They sometimes complain about being refused access to some go gos. So a go go targeting them would be interesting.

GK

I'm no expert on Indian girls or looks but just in general they look Indian to me? I was close enough to know the Indian guy was speaking to her in his native language (unless the guy was not Indian?) and it went on for a while. And as noted, this did not happen on Beach Road but right on Walking Street. This same bunch of guys first walked past me to go down to Happy G. G. I was looking to see if they got turn back which they did and when they came back down the walk way that is when they saw the girls. The guys in the group was basically poking each other as to who was going to approach them.

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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1671999]I'm no expert on Indian girls or looks but just in general they look Indian to me? I was close enough to know the Indian guy was speaking to her in his native language (unless the guy was not Indian?) and it went on for a while. And as noted, this did not happen on Beach Road but right on Walking Street. This same bunch of guys first walked past me to go down to Happy G. G. I was looking to see if they got turn back which they did and when they came back down the walk way that is when they saw the girls. The guys in the group was basically poking each other as to who was going to approach them.[/QUOTE]I think some dress and look similar. Both countries predominantly Hindu. A couple of the ever present tailor guys have told me they were from Nepal not India which I had presumed.

I have a slight confusion on where exactly is this telephone bar (naughty BJ bar) located in Pattaya.

Few sites say in Soi2 in beach road, [URL]http://www.pattayaredeye.com/pattaya-blow-job-bars.html[/URL].

And few others, I read in this forum as far from action in Soi batman and need to go on a moto bike. [URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-telephone-bar-pattaya-thailand/[/URL].

Can someone throw some light on it please and how is the easiest way to reach there.

Cheers

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1672009]I think some dress and look similar. Both countries predominantly Hindu. A couple of the ever present tailor guys have told me they were from Nepal not India which I had presumed.[/QUOTE]As noted I have no idea about Indians except for the little I see and hear. When you say some dress similar I do not know but they were dressed Western style just like the other working girls. Also is the language Nepal the same as what Indians speak because they were not talking English instead the girls had no problem holding a conversation which I'm sure was about price.

Also, I'm not religious and couldn't care less they were Hindu, Islam, Muslim, Christian, etc. they start to talk the stuff and I don't care if you are Miss India I 'm out of there. Another note, the 3 I saw did nothing for me saw no attraction I wouldn't do it if it was free.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1672090]As noted I have no idea about Indians except for the little I see and hear. When you say some dress similar I do not know but they were dressed Western style just like the other working girls. Also is the langage Nepal the same as what Indians speak because they were not talking English instead the girls had no problem holding a conversation which I'm sure was about price.[/QUOTE]No the languages spoken in both countries are different. Hindi is the predominant language (although there are more than 20 languages spoken in different states) in India whereas Nepali is the more common language in Nepal. Due to porous borders between the two countries, several Nepali people are able to understand a smattering of Hindi (and some other languages). I believe the script of the two languages is the same.

For what it's worth, I saw two Indian girls working on Beach Road near Royal Garden Plaza beginning of January. Weird, I never saw anything like that, had to double down and check. Yup, they're working.

For all I know they could have been Nepalese or Sri Lankan.

Beach Road was dreadful otherwise. Hope it's just the New Years day blues and that it will improve.

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;1672063]I read in this forum as far from action in Soi batman and need to go on a moto bike. [URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-telephone-bar-pattaya-thailand/[/URL][/QUOTE]On the rockit map, is the correct location near Soi Batman. I'm not sure how well you know Pattaya, but get on a 10 Baht bus going west on Second Road, going away from WS. Get off when you see a big building on your right that has "TOA" on it's side. Across the street is a small nameless Soi, Go to it, there will be a construction site on your left. Go right at the end of that nameless Soi. Go past the LK Grand Living Place, the road will turn to the left. Keep walking and you'll see the red telephone booth on the left. Press the buzzer to get in. It supposedly opens at 9a closes at 12a. After 12a, walk back to the "TOA" building, next to it is an open air restaurant. MotoTaxi's can be found there. Best of luck.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1672139]On the rockit map, is the correct location near Soi Batman. I'm not sure how well you know Pattaya, but get on a 10 Baht bus going west on Second Road, going away from WS. Get off when you see a big building on your right that has "TOA" on it's side. Across the street is a small nameless Soi, Go to it, there will be a construction site on your left. Go right at the end of that nameless Soi. Go past the LK Grand Living Place, the road will turn to the left. Keep walking and you'll see the red telephone booth on the left. Press the buzzer to get in. It supposedly opens at 9a closes at 12a. After 12a, walk back to the "TOA" building, next to it is an open air restaurant. MotoTaxi's can be found there. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]You have me confused. 2nd road runs from south to north. Take baht bus east on Pattaya South road running away from Walking Street. One can be caught just east of second road in front of the temple, across from the school. Suggest motorbike taxi on first trip. I was there a week ago. No lookers, much better quality at the boom boom massage places on Soi Honey for about same price.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1672105]For what it's worth, I saw two Indian girls working on Beach Road near Royal Garden Plaza beginning of January. Weird, I never saw anything like that, had to double down and check. Yup, they're working.

For all I know they could have been Nepalese or Sri Lankan.

Beach Road was dreadful otherwise. Hope it's just the New Years day blues and that it will improve.[/QUOTE]Things have started deteriorating rather at an alarming level. I noticed the same thing few months ago, the numbers of FLs were really low and the quailty was in the pits. Makes you wonder why fly around the planet for 24 hours for this kinda scene?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1672139]On the rockit map, is the correct location near Soi Batman. I'm not sure how well you know Pattaya, but get on a 10 Baht bus going west on Second Road, going away from WS. Get off when you see a big building on your right that has "TOA" on it's side. Across the street is a small nameless Soi, Go to it, there will be a construction site on your left. Go right at the end of that nameless Soi. Go past the LK Grand Living Place, the road will turn to the left. Keep walking and you'll see the red telephone booth on the left. Press the buzzer to get in. It supposedly opens at 9a closes at 12a. After 12a, walk back to the "TOA" building, next to it is an open air restaurant. MotoTaxi's can be found there. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]Find this part of the map on google maps, or try googling "LK grand living place". The 'telephone booth' is right around the corner by "Pipo's" on the map.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1672139]On the rockit map, is the correct location near Soi Batman. I'm not sure how well you know Pattaya, but get on a 10 Baht bus going west on Second Road, going away from WS. Get off when you see a big building on your right that has "TOA" on it's side. Across the street is a small nameless Soi, Go to it, there will be a construction site on your left. Go right at the end of that nameless Soi. Go past the LK Grand Living Place, the road will turn to the left. Keep walking and you'll see the red telephone booth on the left. Press the buzzer to get in. It supposedly opens at 9a closes at 12a. After 12a, walk back to the "TOA" building, next to it is an open air restaurant. MotoTaxi's can be found there. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1672158]You have me confused. 2nd road runs from south to north. Take baht bus east on Pattaya South road running away from Walking Street. One can be caught just east of second road in front of the temple, across from the school. Suggest motorbike taxi on first trip. I was there a week ago. No lookers, much better quality at the boom boom massage places on Soi Honey for about same price.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct sir! It's go east on South Pattaya Rd. I took 2 different mototaxis to it on 2 different occasoons, they didn't know where it was. Language barrier did not help.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1672095]No the languages spoken in both countries are different. Hindi is the predominant language (although there are more than 20 languages spoken in different states) in India whereas Nepali is the more common language in Nepal. Due to porous borders between the two countries, several Nepali people are able to understand a smattering of Hindi (and some other languages). I believe the script of the two languages is the same.[/QUOTE]Both Hindi and Nepali are Indo-Aryan languages. They indeed now use the same script which is the Devanagari script. There is a sizable minority in Nepal that speaks Hindi as a first language and a few million Indians speak Nepali as their first language.

Many words in both languages are rather similar it seems, for instance some Nepali words ending in a vowel are the same in Hindi but without the final vowel:

(Hindi - English - Nepali).
dusht 'evil' dush-ta.
raashtr 'nation' raash-tra.
kasht 'pain' kash-ta.
vansh 'pedigree' van-sha.
shiv (the god) shi-va.
indr (the god) in-dra.

So it is very well possible that Hindi and Nepali speakers can understand each other on a very basic level.

But perhaps some of our Indian forum-members can chime in?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1672281]Both Hindi and Nepali are Indo-Aryan languages. They indeed now use the same script which is the Devanagari script. There is a sizable minority in Nepal that speaks Hindi as a first language and a few million Indians speak Nepali as their first language.

Many words in both languages are rather similar it seems, for instance some Nepali words ending in a vowel are the same in Hindi but without the final vowel:

(Hindi - English - Nepali).
dusht 'evil' dush-ta.
raashtr 'nation' raash-tra.
kasht 'pain' kash-ta.
vansh 'pedigree' van-sha.
shiv (the god) shi-va.
indr (the god) in-dra.

So it is very well possible that Hindi and Nepali speakers can understand each other on a very basic level.

But perhaps some of our Indian forum-members can chime in?[/QUOTE]W, The words you mention are Sanksrit words (which is the Indo-Aryan language you presumably refer to) which are used both in Hindi and Nepali. There are several such words common in both languages. It also helps that largely being a Hindu nation, their language derives several attributes from Sanskrit. Sanskrit, of course is an old language and is not spoken by the masses, a simpler and more derivative language, Hindi, is more prevalent.

In fact, one word in Thai which I remember for "age" is "ayu" which is a Sanskrit word as well which is common to India (there could be some others too). While I will not deny that several states closer to the Nepal border will have people who are conversant in the Nepali language, it is more common for Nepali people to understand Hindi or at least some other Indian language. Also, quite a few Indians stay and work in Nepal, so locals there are more attuned to Indian dialects. Perhaps linguists can clarify further.

My limited understanding of the commonalities in the languages comes from the Nepali WGs that I meet in Delhi from time to time and I have never faced a language barrier (although I can't understand or speak Nepali). These girls are not long term residents but the churn rate is high for visiting WGs.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1672105]Beach Road was dreadful otherwise. Hope it's just the New Years day blues and that it will improve.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Margaya;1672172]Things have started deteriorating rather at an alarming level. I noticed the same thing few months ago, the numbers of FLs were really low and the quailty was in the pits. Makes you wonder why fly around the planet for 24 hours for this kinda scene?[/QUOTE]Beach Road is very hit or miss these days. One day the numbers and quality are low and the other day there are quite a lot of cuties to be found. And last Sunday there was a police swipe once again so that doesn't help either.

Friday and Saturday nights are usually better than other nights. Last Friday I even spotted an Agogo girl there on her day off, and she's a real cutie and only 19 yo.
And yesterday a girl in the 'daytime shift' offered me her 18 yo sister who came over from Chon Buri where she has a 'normal' job. Not a looker and a bit too chubby to my taste (just like her older sister) but very sweet, very inexperienced and very wet.

So you CAN be lucky sometimes but it's certainly not what it used to be anymore. I used to pull almost 100% of my girls from BR but these days I'm 'forced' to pull girls from other sources as well. I've been lucky with some agogo girls (after very carefull selection) and I might as well have a look in the beer bars although I hate them, LOL.

I was in Pattaya early December.

Day 1.

Headed down to walking street and finalized on Airport agogo.

Found something to my liking but she said she doesn't bar fine.

Tried to convince her all night and ran a pretty decent bill all for nothing.

Decided not to ever make that mistake again.

Day 2 coming up.

Day 2.

Headed to Sabai Dee as had tried Honey Massage on my last visit and liked it.

Decent collection. Girls were 2000,2500 and 3000 baht.

I'm guessing they get a lot of Indians here who haggle. LOL.

Because I kept looking at the 3 k girls and he kept asking me to pick 2 k. Cheap cheap. LOL.

I picked a 3 k girl and he was like its 3 k and I was like that's alright and he almost went in shock.

My selected girl arrives. We go into the room. Decent room. We chat a little while the water fills up.

Her English was not the strongest but she used her phone to translate a lot of what she was trying to get across.

Same system follow. Bath-Massage-CBJ-wot-miss-wot and finally came. Showered, got ready and left.

The mirrors on the roof gave a nice touch.

Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672602]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]

I've always gone to the 'Kodak camera shop' along the left side of second road since it was recommended to me over a decade ago as having the 'best rate'. Its sort of opposite Big C there, a little further down, just before what used to be 'Soi Zero', before Soi Zero was closed off.

I actually don't know if their rate is the best, though it is quite good, but there's something nicely dubious about changing money in a supposed film shop that has no film or cameras in it, and no outward sign of being an exchange shop. It certainly makes you feel like it [i]aught[/i] to be a good rate, as it feels very mafia-esque.

[QUOTE=Newser8008;1672498]Day 2.

Headed to Sabai Dee as had tried Honey Massage on my last visit and liked it.

Decent collection. Girls were 2000,2500 and 3000 baht.

I'm guessing they get a lot of Indians here who haggle. LOL.

Because I kept looking at the 3 k girls and he kept asking me to pick 2 k. Cheap cheap. LOL.

I picked a 3 k girl and he was like its 3 k and I was like that's alright and he almost went in shock.

My selected girl arrives. We go into the room. Decent room. We chat a little while the water fills up.

Her English was not the strongest but she used her phone to translate a lot of what she was trying to get across.

Same system follow. Bath-Massage-CBJ-wot-miss-wot and finally came. Showered, got ready and left.

The mirrors on the roof gave a nice touch.[/QUOTE]To Newser8008.

That so funny most people think Indians are cheap but in their culture they like to bargin, I have many coworker in the US very nice people and not cheap I guess if you give him a big tip he will be even more shock.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672602]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]For Pattaya: Click is right down from Tukcom. If not there then there are several TT Currency Exchanges around the city.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1672760]To Newser8008.

That so funny most people think Indians are cheap but in their culture they like to bargin, I have many coworker in the US very nice people and not cheap I guess if you give him a big tip he will be even more shock.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I wish when they get off the SongThaw knowing full well it is 10 baht and the damn songthaw is stopped and holding up traffic that Indians do not bargain the fare.

I wish when they buy Thai T-shirts 3 for 99 baht do not bargain 4 for 99 baht in such a serious manner.

And especially bargaining for pussy not for yourself but for a group at 500 baht.

I like to bargain too but let's put it in perspective sometimes.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672602]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]In BKK, its quite easy, head to Superrich (they have a website). I usually just change all my money in BKK before coming into Pattaya, but this time around not stopping in BKK. TT Exchange (in Pattaya) was decent last time. Will also have to check out the other places suggested by board members.

I've been reading this forum for the last few months, and I'm honestly impressed with the depth of information contained within this one forum.

After reading all of these forums, I still have a few questions.

1. In your opinion, what's the best BJ bar in Pattaya and why?

2. Where is the best place to relax and people watch during the daytime hours near WS?

3. What do most mongers do during the daytime?

4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time? (try to limit this answer to a sentence or two. I know there's a ton of advice on this forum, but I'm hoping for experts single best piece).

I'll be in Pattaya on Jan. 29th. For a week. If anybody gets bored and wants a wingman, I'll be available to stumble from bar to bar in search of the best parts of life.

Thanks again to the members who've provided in-depth reports about pricing, locations, and experiences.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1672847]I wish when they get off the SongThaw knowing full well it is 10 baht and the damn songthaw is stopped and holding up traffic that Indians do not bargain the fare.

.[/QUOTE]Haha. Yes I've seen this happen too. I mean Jesus Christ how cheap can one be!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1672404]Beach Road is very hit or miss these days. One day the numbers and quality are low and the other day there are quite a lot of cuties to be found. And last Sunday there was a police swipe once again so that doesn't help either.

Friday and Saturday nights are usually better than other nights. Last Friday I even spotted an Agogo girl there on her day off, and she's a real cutie and only 19 yo.
And yesterday a girl in the 'daytime shift' offered me her 18 yo sister who came over from Chon Buri where she has a 'normal' job. Not a looker and a bit too chubby to my taste (just like her older sister) but very sweet, very inexperienced and very wet.

So you CAN be lucky sometimes but it's certainly not what it used to be anymore. I used to pull almost 100% of my girls from BR but these days I'm 'forced' to pull girls from other sources as well. I've been lucky with some agogo girls (after very carefull selection) and I might as well have a look in the beer bars although I hate them, LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes I found the same when I was there beginning of this month. But I was able to pull some good ones.

I am still al little confused as to when the best time of day it is to hit BR. I was primarily hitting it between 9-10 PM and was lucky enough to catch a couple of really cute girls right when they started their "shift". From your (vastly) greater experience what do you think is the best time?

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672602]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]Exchange just enough at the airport to get into Bangkok or Pattaya. The rates at the airport are all the same and are the worst.

Then exchange at one of the independent (meaning not linked to a big bank) exchange booths anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya. The difference between those money exchangers is too small to really bother.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1672984]Yes I found the same when I was there beginning of this month. But I was able to pull some good ones.

I am still al little confused as to when the best time of day it is to hit BR. I was primarily hitting it between 9-10 PM and was lucky enough to catch a couple of really cute girls right when they started their "shift". From your (vastly) greater experience what do you think is the best time?[/QUOTE]9-10 PM is indeed the best time I think. Then most of the girls will have arrived and not been taken yet. You can try your luck before 9 PM but the selection will be thinner.

And I often take a stroll in the morning or afternoon as well because there can be new girls sometimes or non-pro's who are in need of some extra cash (as reported in my last post for example). But in the past I have had more luck with that than these days. In the daytime it's mostly horrendous now.

Is staying near Nana, then Vasu exchange is also one among the best price in BKK.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672602]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]

I've been reading this forum for the last few months, and I'm honestly impressed with the depth of information contained within this one forum.

After reading all of these forums, I still have a few questions.

1. In your opinion, what's the best BJ bar in Pattaya and why?

2. Where is the best place to relax and people watch during the daytime hours near WS?

3. What do most mongers do during the daytime?

4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time? (try to limit this answer to a sentence or two. I know there's a ton of advice on this forum, but I'm hoping for experts single best piece).

I'll be in Pattaya on Jan. 29th. For a week. If anybody gets bored and wants a wingman, I'll be available to stumble from bar to bar in search of the best parts of life.

Thanks again to the members who've provided in-depth reports about pricing, locations, and experiences.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1672935]I've been reading this forum for the last few months, and I'm honestly impressed with the depth of information contained within this one forum.

After reading all of these forums, I still have a few questions.

1. In your opinion, what's the best BJ bar in Pattaya and why?

2. Where is the best place to relax and people watch during the daytime hours near WS?

3. What do most mongers do during the daytime?

4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time? (try to limit this answer to a sentence or two. I know there's a ton of advice on this forum, but I'm hoping for experts single best piece).

I'll be in Pattaya on Jan. 29th. For a week. If anybody gets bored and wants a wingman, I'll be available to stumble from bar to bar in search of the best parts of life.

Thanks again to the members who've provided in-depth reports about pricing, locations, and experiences.[/QUOTE]2) there is a Starbucks with outdoor seating a couple of blocks from WS on Beach Rd.

3) guess, maybe sleep.

4) I would not waste my time on beer bar girls. Very hard to find a decent looking one that will not give you some issue. A week is a short time if able spend the extra cash on higher end GoGo girls, eg. Baccarra.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673021]I've been reading this forum for the last few months, and I'm honestly impressed with the depth of information contained within this one forum.

After reading all of these forums, I still have a few questions.

(. . .)

4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time? (try to limit this answer to a sentence or two. I know there's a ton of advice on this forum, but I'm hoping for experts single best piece).
[/QUOTE]Try to stay in control and don't get really drunk. Bad things may happen and you will not remember the good things.

And don't plan too much. Go with the flow and take it easy.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673021]a few questions
[/QUOTE]A few answers:

1. Don't know, don't care. I prefer the complete sexual act with a pretty girl which includes, but is not limited to a BBBJ.

2. Soi 6 from 5 pm until it is time to head over to the Go Go's (7:30 pm).

3. I like to Walk Beach Road and then cool out by the hotel pool.

4. See Wolvenvacht's and Gin & Tonic's last piece of advice down below. Be a nice guy, follow your bliss (instincts), don't over plan, concentrate on the Go Go's and possibly a few late night places like Insomnia and IBar. Relax, you are going to have a great time.

Thanks for the insights and advice.

My current plan is to see the inside of as many go-gos as possible, visit a BJ bar, and see the inside of a room above Soi 6 with a big-breasted spinner.

There are like 60 go-go's on walking street, as far as I've heard. I think it would be cool to check out around half of those. Ambitious?

Discos aren't really my thing, but everybody speaks highly of them; guess I'll into them as well.

Truthfully, I'm more of an early-riser than a night owl. Chances are, you'll see me jogging along Beach Road at the same time as you are stumbling out of a disco.

This is my first ever mongering experience, so my motto for this trip is "pace yourself".

This forum has some great stories; I can't wait to add my own.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673277]Thanks for the insights and advice.

My current plan is to see the inside of as many go-gos as possible, visit a BJ bar, and see the inside of a room above Soi 6 with a big-breasted

Truthfully, I'm more of an early-riser than a night owl. Chances are, you'll see me jogging along Beach Road at the same time as you are stumbling out of a disco.


This forum has some great stories; I can't wait to add my own.[/QUOTE]Thai's generally are small breasted. Even on a spinner big bolt ons my mean something unwanted dangling between there legs, beware. New comers should always ask "you lady yeah?" at places like Soi6 were there are mixed providers.

If you want a long morning jog or walk check out 5 km long Jomtien Beach. Just go to South Rd. (Pattaya Tai) & 2nd. Rd. (Pattaya Sai Song) were you will see a long line of baht buses. They fill and leave from the north end by the intersection. Stay on the bus to the end of the route, 10 baht, then start walking back nw. When the road turns right that is the start of the gay beach. If you want a rest sit in one of the beach concession chairs for 30 baht and order a drink. Keep an eye out for young Russian super models when choosing a place to plant yourself for a few relaxing hours. My first year vacationing here I stayed on 2nd road by WS and did this routine for 2 months. After that I started staying in Jomtien and visiting Pattaya at night.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673277]
Truthfully, I'm more of an early-riser than a night owl. Chances are, you'll see me jogging along Beach Road at the same time as you are stumbling out of a disco.
[/QUOTE]In that case I suggest you choose your hotel carefully as a lot of them are in noisy 'night owl' areas.

One of the hotels on Second Road Soi 13 would be a good choice. Or Second Road Soi 10 towards Beach Road (not too close to Second Road because there are beer bars there) but they are more expensive.

See the hotel thread for more info.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673021]I've been reading this forum for the last few months, and I'm honestly impressed with the depth of information contained within this one forum.

After reading all of these forums, I still have a few questions.

1. In your opinion, what's the best BJ bar in Pattaya and why?

2. Where is the best place to relax and people watch during the daytime hours near WS?

3. What do most mongers do during the daytime?

4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time? (try to limit this answer to a sentence or two. I know there's a ton of advice on this forum, but I'm hoping for experts single best piece).

I'll be in Pattaya on Jan. 29th. For a week. If anybody gets bored and wants a wingman, I'll be available to stumble from bar to bar in search of the best parts of life.

Thanks again to the members who've provided in-depth reports about pricing, locations, and experiences.[/QUOTE]Re 1: Bliss Lounge on Third Road comes to mind but actually there is no best BJ bar IMHO. You just have to be lucky to get / choose the right girl who has some good skills. But generally speaking you won't get the BJ of the century in these places. They just go up and down your tool until you finish.

Re 2: Starbucks at the corner of Beach Road and Soi 13/1. And there are some terraces in front of Mike Shopping Mall, Thip Plaza and Central Festival.

Re 3: Nothing. Puke (in case of a hangover). Fuck their LT 'girl friend'. Read ISG to answer stupid questions from newbies (don't take that last one seriously).

Re 4: If you meet a nice girl who is to your liking then grab her. Don't think 'there must be a better one' or 'there must be a prettier one'. Before you know it you have spent the whole night looking for the 'perfect girl' and end up with nothing.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673021]I've been reading ....cut....

4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time? (try to limit this answer to a sentence or two. I know there's a ton of advice on this forum, but I'm hoping for experts single best piece).

....[/QUOTE]Do not fall in love with the "special" one you find, she will promise anything but you Will only be left broken hearted and wallet emptied.

If only that does not include being the balcony (assisted) jumpers. Be wise & safe.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673336]Re 1: Bliss Lounge on Third Road comes to mind but actually there is no best BJ bar IMHO. You just have to be lucky to get / choose the right girl who has some good skills. But generally speaking you won't get the BJ of the century in these places. They just go up and down your tool until you finish.

Re 2: Starbucks at the corner of Beach Road and Soi 13/1. And there are some terraces in front of Mike Shopping Mall, Thip Plaza and Central Festival.

Re 3: Nothing. Puke (in case of a hangover). Fuck their LT 'girl friend'. Read ISG to answer stupid questions from newbies (don't take that last one seriously).

Re 4: If you meet a nice girl who is to your liking then grab her. Don't think 'there must be a better one' or 'there must be a prettier one'. Before you know it you have spent the whole night looking for the 'perfect girl' and end up with nothing.[/QUOTE]No greater wisdom than that of Re 4. This also applies to Beach Rd. Ladies or those sitting out front of massage shops. Blink and they are gone.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673277]Thanks for the insights and

There are like 60 go-go's on walking street, as far as I've heard. I think it would be cool to check out around half of those. Ambitious?

This forum has some great stories; I can't wait to add my own.[/QUOTE]No, do a quick walk around inside before sitting down and that should reduce the list by 75%.

I'm getting some good advice. I'll definitely make sure to get any big fake breasted women from the go-go's so I'm not surprised later.

I have a question. I've read contradicting reports on the location of a go-go where you can buy ping-pong balls that are worth baht to the girls. Is that really a place? If so, how much do the ping-pong balls cost? And finally, is it really as much fun as it sounds to throw them all over the place?

On a more serious note, how far is it from Walking Street to Soi 6 if you are walking? How long does it usually take to walk?

If I take a Baht Bus, what are landmarks I should look for to get off at Soi 6? I'll be staying at a hotel near Walking Street.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1672847]I wish when they get off the SongThaw knowing full well it is 10 baht and the damn songthaw is stopped and holding up traffic that Indians do not bargain the fare.

I like to bargain too but let's put it in perspective sometimes.[/QUOTE]Sorry but you got it wrong. The real rate is 5 baht, that's what the Thai's pay. 10 baht is the falang rate. I have been known to be somewhat annoyed when I have to pay more than a Thai / Cambodian / Filipino / Indonesian for the same service / merchandise.

Went to Crystal and there is no less than three perfect 9's. One of them is number 300 I think, almost could not tell the Asian traits, she looked almost Latin, thin and great breast. In Queens a couple are doable, one has the best ass seen in years. Got the number of another short haired that was hanging out, but couldn't contact her yet. It's much more money with these girls but it may be needed, there is really no alternative. I have not taken this step yet.

[QUOTE=Gargamon;1673488]Sorry but you got it wrong. The real rate is 5 baht, that's what the Thai's pay. 10 baht is the falang rate. I have been known to be somewhat annoyed when I have to pay more than a Thai / Cambodian / Filipino / Indonesian for the same service / merchandise.[/QUOTE]Wrong, that was many years ago. When were you last here because that is absolutely not the case.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673472]I've read contradicting reports on the location of a go-go where you can buy ping-pong balls that are worth baht to the girls. Is that really a place? If so, how much do the ping-pong balls cost? And finally, is it really as much fun as it sounds to throw them all over the place?

On a more serious note, how far is it from Walking Street to Soi 6 if you are walking? How long does it usually take to walk?

If I take a Baht Bus, what are landmarks I should look for to get off at Soi 6? I'll be staying at a hotel near Walking Street.[/QUOTE]I think all gogos will rent 20 baht ping pong balls to you. It doesn't sound like much fun to me, but to each their own.

30 minute walk from Walking Street to Soi 6 is my guess. If you take the baht bus you look for the street sign on the left that says Soi 6/1 then ring the bell. The next street is Soi 6. If you see McDonald's on the left you have gone too far.

[QUOTE]1. In your opinion, what's the best BJ bar in Pattaya and why? 2. Where is the best place to relax and people watch during the daytime hours near Walking Street? 3. What do most mongers do during the daytime? 4. What's the single piece of advice you would offer to a new monger coming to Pattaya for the first time?[/QUOTE]

I steer clear of the traditional blowjob bars. I don't find the girls attractive, and the business model is too clinical for me. I realize "go in, get off, and get going" aspect is part of the attraction for many guys. Just not my cup of tea. If I'm in the mood for a blowjob, I head for Soi 6. There are enough girls there I can usually find one I think is cute. I have the option of going straight upstairs, or sitting down for a drink and letting the girl "convince" me we should get down to business. I find the short time rooms on Soi 6 more comfortable than the spartan digs at the blowjob bars. And I can take a shower before and after, which I prefer. The only downside to getting my hummer on Soi 6 is that it's a few hundred baht more expensive than the blowjob bars. That's no big deal for me, but if you're a Cheap Charlie that may be a deal breaker.

Walking Street is not my favorite place to hang out during the day. I much prefer to kill time in the central part of Pattaya, at one of the many places along Soi Buakaow. But if I have to pick a place to chill out "near" Walking Street, I'd recommend the Pattaya Beer Garden.

With respect to whiling away the daylight hours, as the Thais like to say "up to you. " Seriously. No matter what you like to do on holiday you can probably do it in Pattaya (or nearby). I'm not one those ultra-active, wildly-adventurous guys who are always uploading GoPro videos to YouTube. So I'll leave it to others to weigh in on "extreme" leisure time activities. I prefer to soak up Pattaya's laid back beach vibe. Toward that end I recommend spending at least one afternoon on the sand under an umbrella. I also like the pub scene, especially the Butcher's Arms and the Swan. They have great breakfasts, comfortable dining rooms and free wi-fi so I can get a little work done. If you like to shop, especially for electronic gadgets, visit the legendary Tukcom, which is very close to Walking Street. Before you start your evening on the town, watch the sun set over the water from the rooftop bar at the Baraquda Hotel.

Finally, keep in mind that Pattaya's naughty boy scene is very different to what you are used to at home. It's orders of magnitude bigger and some parts of it (Soi 6 and the "hands on" go go clubs on Walking Street) are very much "in your face. " Almost everybody is a little overwhelmed at first. My single piece of advice is to relax, get outside your head and do as much as you feel comfortable with. Reading the traffic here is very helpful, but some guys start to think the "have" to do X, why and Z. Not so. It's your holiday. Do what you want to do.

Bunky

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1672847]I wish when they get off the SongThaw knowing full well it is 10 baht and the damn songthaw is stopped and holding up traffic that Indians do not bargain the fare.

I wish when they buy Thai T-shirts 3 for 99 baht do not bargain 4 for 99 baht in such a serious manner.

And especially bargaining for pussy not for yourself but for a group at 500 baht.

I like to bargain too but let's put it in perspective sometimes.[/QUOTE]To Littlebigman.

Like you say everyone bargin there are cheap Charlie Farang too, I know what you are saying we just don't bragin as hard as Indian to save 5 bht just not worth it for most of us.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Gargamon;1673488]Sorry but you got it wrong. The real rate is 5 baht, that's what the Thai's pay. 10 baht is the falang rate. I have been known to be somewhat annoyed when I have to pay more than a Thai / Cambodian / Filipino / Indonesian for the same service / merchandise.[/QUOTE]To Gargamon.

I know the local paid only 5 bht why get mad over 5 bht it is been 10 bht for over 15 yr still have not gone up is the best deal in asia, this driver work hard to support the family work 12 HR a day give them a break.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Gargamon;1673488]Sorry but you got it wrong. The real rate is 5 baht, that's what the Thai's pay. 10 baht is the falang rate. I have been known to be somewhat annoyed when I have to pay more than a Thai / Cambodian / Filipino / Indonesian for the same service / merchandise.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. It has been years now that the Thais are paying 10 baht. Years! When I first came here I pay 5 baht yes and like a Thai I'm paying 10 baht. Yes I believe there are circumstances where the driver (good ones) that except 5 baht like from old Thai ladies, handicap, etc..

In all the years I have lived here only once a driver ask me for more because he figure out I was a farang. I just looked at him and gave him the 10 baht and told him in Thai, thank you, and walked away.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673472] ... I have a question. I've read contradicting reports on the location of a go-go where you can buy ping-pong balls that are worth baht to the girls. Is that really a place? If so, how much do the ping-pong balls cost? And finally, is it really as much fun as it sounds to throw them all over the place? ... [/QUOTE]It works like this: At most of the Go-go bars there are female hostesses walking around the bar carrying plastic buckets of ping pong balls and a paddle with a written notice on both sides about the price of the ping pong balls and what you do with them. They'll come up to you and show you the notice and bucket asking if you want to do it.

Suckers can buy a a few or usually a whole bucket of 50 balls for 1000 baht; that's 20 baht / ball. The girls will see this, form a group in front of you, start screaming and crying yaaaaay! And beckoning for you to throw the balls their way. You can throw a few at a time or just dump the whole bucket out and watch them scramble for the balls which are worth 20 baht apiece to them. The spectacle is over within seconds -- 1000 baht evaporates almost instantly -- as the girls are very quick and all the hostesses participate too.

If you are sitting downstairs in Baccara and look up to the stage upstairs you'll see girls wearing no panties squatting down on the glass floor to gather up as many balls as possible while showing the customers below their gaping naked pussies spread wide. Yes it's fun to watch but hardly worth the price of the entertainment unless you are the type who likes to literally throw his money away. Oh yeah, and did I mention that the girls will scramble for you but don't expect them to respect you for making fools of them for 20 baht. They would much rather you just hand them the cash as a tip.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1673732]To Littlebigman.

Like you say everyone bargin there are cheap Charlie Farang too, I know what you are saying we just don't bragin as hard as Indian to save 5 bht just not worth it for most of us.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Like I indicated " keep it in perspective" It is not just Indians, I know and met people here maybe from reading things about Thailand that you can always bargain everything down it sticks to your head and then there are the stubborn one who will not listen and get offended at the mention.

I was like this once. I did it unconscious. Was in Bangkok staying at Nana, I walked all the way to the US Embassy it was over a 100 degrees. Once done we came outside and decided lets take a tuk tuk back, yes tuk tuk that was how long it was, the guy said 50 baht I usually pay 30 baht, so decided to walk back thinking I was getting ripped off for 20 baht more. When I got back I laugh at myself thinking what a stupid fuck I was.

I've seen guys run around town looking to save 5 baht on a Broom. But have no problem of paying double for pussy or have their 4 cups of coffee at Starbucks?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673777]I beg to differ. It has been years now that the Thais are paying 10 baht. Years! When I first came here I pay 5 baht yes and like a Thai I'm paying 10 baht. Yes I believe there are circumstances where the driver (good ones) that except 5 baht like from old Thai ladies, handicap, etc..

In all the years I have lived here only once a driver ask me for more because he figure out I was a farang. I just looked at him and gave him the 10 baht and told him in Thai, thank you, and walked away.[/QUOTE]I think I caught the last of the 5 baht days when I first started going. I talked to a friend who said it was 5 baht many years ago. Now she pays 10 baht or even 20 baht if it is a long way. Chartering them has gone up as well. When I first got my place getting a baht bus from Big C was 150. I bought a new desk chair from Office Mate (next door to Big C) in November and the baht bus price was 300. I talked him down to 250 though since I live less than 5 minutes from the place. Hell, I once had a guy who would take you all the way to the Big Buddha next to Silver Lake and back for 300. Inflation is a mf.

This forum is hilarious.

I like the way some guys ***** about 5 baht, and how other guys call them out on it. This forum is like reading the script for a reality show.

This is my first mongering experience. I've never bought a hooker for myself before, paid for any sexual service, or even had a dirty massage. My first mongering experience will be Pattaya; think I'm jumping into the deep end? LOL.

What's the average age of a monger in Pattaya? Do the girls prefer a certain look or style? I've read they aren't keen on Indians.

I'll be there the 29th if anybody wants to meet for a drink or explore some go-go's with me.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673814]This forum is hilarious.

I like the way some guys ***** about 5 baht, and how other guys call them out on it. This forum is like reading the script for a reality show.

This is my first mongering experience. I've never bought a hooker for myself before, paid for any sexual service, or even had a dirty massage. My first mongering experience will be Pattaya; think I'm jumping into the deep end? LOL.

What's the average age of a monger in Pattaya? Do the girls prefer a certain look or style? I've read they aren't keen on Indians.

I'll be there the 29th if anybody wants to meet for a drink or explore some go-go's with me.[/QUOTE]So welcome! This is your Cherry voyage as they call it? Just make sure you keep it covered no matter what the little one wants and amake sure you don't give any money to the sick buffalo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1673800]I think I caught the last of the 5 baht days when I first started going. I talked to a friend who said it was 5 baht many years ago. Now she pays 10 baht or even 20 baht if it is a long way. Chartering them has gone up as well. When I first got my place getting a baht bus from Big C was 150. I bought a new desk chair from Office Mate (next door to Big C) in November and the baht bus price was 300. I talked him down to 250 though since I live less than 5 minutes from the place. Hell, I once had a guy who would take you all the way to the Big Buddha next to Silver Lake and back for 300. Inflation is a mf.[/QUOTE]Like you it's not about being cheap we all pay our due and each day and night we will come on situation that you got to put it in perspective and you do not need to live here to understand. Just this New Year Eve, due to the many checkpoints I decided to take the motorbike taxi from the Darkside to Walking St. Usual cost will range from 110-80 baht, the higher amount no tip, majority of the time I'm charge 80, the guy knows the route around all the traffic and he doesn't drive like a madman he gets a 100 baht note.

Coming home New Years morning. 4:30 am. I'm walking from W. S. And looking for a motorbike taxi. I thought let me walk to Pattaya Tai and get a bowl of noodles first, after I walked across the Soi near Tukcom and ask the guys motorbike Taxi, the guys gives me a head toe number and I'm smiling, he comes out with 300 baht, I say in Thai, thank you but no thanks, and start to walk he says how much and I told him 160 baht he laughs I laugh too and walk. A few down I ask another guy he says 100 baht, off we go, when we get to my location I gave him two hundred baht, and told him in Thai, you good heart, honest, Happy New Year. At 160 I was already overpaying. Yes Inflation is a ***** and if I had a chair like you no problem, they got you by the balls, but there are times they think we are stupid.

You in town Mr. E, when you coming out to swing the wood?

Went last night not far from W. S. Off Pattaya Tai to a place called Montana Gent. Club. Pretty much a place like Telephone Bar, Club 4. They run in two shifts and open around 2 pm, another shift of girls come at around 7-8 pm, nothing special around 8 girls I could see only one appeal to me.

Not my kind of place it is basically like a BJ bar, the one girl who I might have gone with when I came in had just sucked a fat guy off. After the guy left she cleaned up saw me looking at her and aggressively tried her hand at me. But all I could think of when I was looking at her is the cum she just swallowed. She told me she would do me right there I said I was not that type of guy 555! She said we could go to ST room 300 baht. And FS for her 1000. I decline and said next time. Another option you got to love this place?

I have been here or week now. When I arrived, I was surprised by a couple of friends, one from Chiang Mai and one from Puckett. They had decided that I was an expert on Pattaya. I am not an expert. I'm glad I read some of your posts before I got here. They were mostly interested in the GoGos.

In every GoGo I asked, the barfine before midnight on Walking Street was 1,500 B. For Short-Time 2,500 was standard. ST was to be had either upstairs at the bar or a nearby ST Hotel for an additional 3-400B. 4,000B LT was also the standard. With one exception, I have avoided the temptations of the GoGo girls. The exception was truly gorgeous and my friends were jealous when this welcome girl from Living Dolls51 pulled me from the middle of Walking Street into her bar and sat down with me in the second row of he bleachers. I figure she selected me because I looked to be the biggist sucker of our small group. She was petite with natural Bups, an angelic face, sweet as can be (her name is Wan), and not even slightly pushy. She paid all of her attention to me. She doesn't dance ("no like") but she is pro at twenty-three. So I bought her drinks while I tried to talk myself out of asking her to go ST. She never asked. But she had her way and got her way and my Baht. We ended at a ST hotel across WS. Physically, she was friggin' amazing and was wet with little prompting. After her O; things went down hill. Her HJ turned into a game of Whack-a Mole with my balls. It didn't get better, she was a no kiss starfish.

Off the top of my head, I can add more naughty GoGo bars to the recent lists. The Office on LK Metro and Silver Star on Soi 8. At least they were just as naughty as the Windmill, Superbaby, etc... on the night I visited them. BTW. Both of these bars had the same 1500 BF as the WS bars and the same girl prices.

So, thank goodness for Soi 6!

Nuevo.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673814]This forum is hilarious.

I like the way some guys ***** about 5 baht, and how other guys call them out on it. This forum is like reading the script for a reality show.

This is my first mongering experience. I've never bought a hooker for myself before, paid for any sexual service, or even had a dirty massage. My first mongering experience will be Pattaya; think I'm jumping into the deep end? LOL.

[b]What's the average age of a monger in Pattaya? Do the girls [/b]prefer a certain look or style? I've read they aren't keen on Indians.

I'll be there the 29th if anybody wants to meet for a drink or explore some go-go's with me.[/QUOTE]My guess is that the average physical age is 60+.

The average mental age is around 13.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1673778]It works like this: At most of the Go-go bars there are female hostesses walking around the bar carrying plastic buckets of ping pong balls and a paddle with a written notice on both sides about the price of the ping pong balls and what you do with them. They'll come up to you and show you the notice and bucket asking if you want to do it.

Suckers can buy a a few or usually a whole bucket of 50 balls for 1000 baht; that's 20 baht / ball. The girls will see this, form a group in front of you, start screaming and crying yaaaaay! And beckoning for you to throw the balls their way. You can throw a few at a time or just dump the whole bucket out and watch them scramble for the balls which are worth 20 baht apiece to them. The spectacle is over within seconds -- 1000 baht evaporates almost instantly -- as the girls are very quick and all the hostesses participate too.

If you are sitting downstairs in Baccara and look up to the stage upstairs you'll see girls wearing no panties squatting down on the glass floor to gather up as many balls as possible while showing the customers below their gaping naked pussies spread wide. Yes it's fun to watch but hardly worth the price of the entertainment unless you are the type who likes to literally throw his money away. Oh yeah, and did I mention that the girls will scramble for you but don't expect them to respect you for making fools of them for 20 baht. They would much rather you just hand them the cash as a tip.[/QUOTE]And when the spectacle is over you often see that the girls put all the balls back into the basket, without anyone taking notes of the number of balls each individual girl grabbed. So apparently all the girls get the same share and it's all just a show.

Alternatively to gain some more 'respect' from the girls and the other customers you can give a staff member a 1000 Baht note (or more than one) and have it exchanged for 20 Baht notes. Then throw those 20 Bath notes on the stage. In particular Japanese and Korean customers seem to find this an amusing pastime, especially in Baccara where they can throw it from the top floor to the stage below. Last week when I was in Baccara one night some Japanese guy gave away at least 10 K in this way. Maybe he was laundering money.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;1673871]My guess is that the average physical age is 60+.

The average mental age is around 13.[/QUOTE]ROFLMAO!

By the way: that includes the girls.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673814]This forum is hilarious.

I like the way some guys ***** about 5 baht, and how other guys call them out on it. This forum is like reading the script for a reality show.

This is my first mongering experience. I've never bought a hooker for myself before, paid for any sexual service, or even had a dirty massage. My first mongering experience will be Pattaya; think I'm jumping into the deep end? LOL.

What's the average age of a monger in Pattaya? Do the girls prefer a certain look or style? I've read they aren't keen on Indians.

I'll be there the 29th if anybody wants to meet for a drink or explore some go-go's with me.[/QUOTE]I can't think of a better place, besides maybe a German FKK, for your maiden journey.

Walking Street will overwhelm you at first. It did did for me. With your adrenalin pumping, the thumping music, the flashing lights and the girls and touts coming at you from everywhere it can leave you on the verge of a panic attack.

Just take a deep breath and go with the flow and you will be fine. Patts is very safe with little in the way of scams or LE danger. And the girls are generally very nice and kind. If you try hard enough (it is getting harder these days) you will find a few gems that will knock your socks off and make it a memorable trip.


As for style, I try to dress nice, especially if I'm looking to pick up an FL at a disco. That means no shorts. long pants, and a collard shirt. And the girls do notice this stuff. I remember the last girl I took home from I-bar commenting with distaste about the guys that were in there in shorts. I avoid jeans (its just too damned hot to wear them - you will be boiling. Linen is the way to go. You'll look sharp and stay comfortable and cool.

I know some guys will object and say that all that matters is the money in your pocket. But its just not true. And who wants to be a slob anyway? I swear, some guys are ready to be buried in a pair of cargo shorts and Beer Chang tank top.

Stay horny my friend and happy mongering.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673889]And when the spectacle is over you often see that the girls put all the balls back into the basket, without anyone taking notes of the number of balls each individual girl grabbed. So apparently all the girls get the same share and it's all just a show.

Alternatively to gain some more 'respect' from the girls and the other customers you can give a staff member a 1000 Baht note (or more than one) and have it exchanged for 20 Baht notes. Then throw those 20 Bath notes on the stage. In particular Japanese and Korean customers seem to find this an amusing pastime, especially in Baccara where they can throw it from the top floor to the stage below. Last week when I was in Baccara one night some Japanese guy gave away at least 10 K in this way. Maybe he was laundering money.[/QUOTE]Yes, they do this at Queen's too, and exactly as you mentioned about the ping pong balls, I saw a lady then going around getting the notes back and counting them. The house makes the most money out of these fools.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673814]This forum is hilarious.

I like the way some guys ***** about 5 baht, and how other guys call them out on it. This forum is like reading the script for a reality show.

This is my first mongering experience. I've never bought a hooker for myself before, paid for any sexual service, or even had a dirty massage. My first mongering experience will be Pattaya; think I'm jumping into the deep end? LOL.

What's the average age of a monger in Pattaya? Do the girls prefer a certain look or style? I've read they aren't keen on Indians.

I'll be there the 29th if anybody wants to meet for a drink or explore some go-go's with me.[/QUOTE]Yeah this site used to be the brotherhood of sweet little mother fuckers, but has changed into the motherhood of brother fuckers.

The way I figure it is there are basically 3 different types of punters who travel to s e asia for pun tang. The first type has a burnable income and can afford the best hotels, best looking go go girls the most expensive lady dinks and doesn't give a shite about 5 baht. He wouldn't even pick one up if he dropped it. Type 2 are the tradesmen who make 40 dollars an hour (thanks to a good strong union) and if they make a lot of over time, can come to s e asia twice a year, and stay in a nice hotel, go to go go bars and occasionally take a hot go go girl home for the night. He gives a shite about 5 baht and if he dropped one he would pick it up but then put in the little old toothless lady's cup, for good ju ju. He spends most of his mongering hours going to the occasional go go bar, but mostly goes to the beer gardens and plays pool and hangs out with sweet little mamas who know how to give a farang a great time. <= this one is me haha. Then there is type 3. This poor bastard makes maybe 20 to 25 dollars an hour at best, has an wife who gets as much of his money as she can to support his 3 kids who he rarely sees. He saves for 3 years dreaming about the hot s e asian women that he is going to have his way with when he finally gets enough money ahead to make the journey. He gives a shite about 5 baht and learns how to negotiate with the locals and get everything he can for as cheap as he can so he can go to beach road and pick up the cheapest provider he can find, and have his way with her. he spends a lot of time in beer gardens drinking one or 2 beers and plays pool with the bar girls and occasionally takes one to his room for short time. He stays in a hotel with a fan only and fights the cock roaches for the use of the bathroom. He gives so much of a shite about 5 baht that if he dropped one and it was rolling into the busy street he would still chase it, then he would look around to see if someone else had dropped one that he could also pick up while he was there.

The main point I'm trying to convey is, that we all have a common goal; we love to bang asians. whether we have burnable income, work as a trades man, or scrimp and save to achieve that goal we all still belong in s e asia banging asian girls. So why should we berate the guy who needs to do things on the cheap? It doesn't make sense to me. Let's try and get back to the brother hood of sweet little mother fuckers, ok? Just my 5 baht, thank you.

Don't dress like a beach bum when you go to a go go bar, unless your wallet is packed full of 1000 baht bills and you have some game. But on the other hand if you dress nicely, wear long pants leather shoes a nice polo shirt and you are freshly showered and clean shaven you will get more attention. but once again, if your wallet isn't full of 1000 baht bills, you will soon be alone sipping a warm beer.

The age of the punters I have noticed the last 10 times I was there, was surprisingly any where from early 20's to late 60's and not mostly us old farts either. I'm 64 so I notice these things LOL. but then when I first started going to thailand I was 26 so I guess things haven't changed that much.

The reports I've gotten from the girls I know in thailand and other parts of s e asia about Indians are that many of them (and I'm by no means saying all of them, that would be bigoted) refuse to shower and some even want to renegotiate a lower price once inside the room. Thai girls are very clean and will sniff you when they give you a hug to see if you are too, can you blame them? Who wants a smelly sex partner, not me thank you very much.

Anyway I've ranted enough now but I hope you have a great time on your maiden voyage to thailand and the world of satisfied punters from all walks of life.

Happy pooning, LAT.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673889]And when the spectacle is over you often see that the girls put all the balls back into the basket, without anyone taking notes of the number of balls each individual girl grabbed. So apparently all the girls get the same share and it's all just a show.

Alternatively to gain some more 'respect' from the girls and the other customers you can give a staff member a 1000 Baht note (or more than one) and have it exchanged for 20 Baht notes. Then throw those 20 Bath notes on the stage. In particular Japanese and Korean customers seem to find this an amusing pastime, especially in Baccara where they can throw it from the top floor to the stage below. Last week when I was in Baccara one night some Japanese guy gave away at least 10 K in this way. Maybe he was laundering money.[/QUOTE]The girls do not get the same share. When you see this it is because they need the ping pong back to built up the basket. Believe me the girls know how many balls they are putting back into the basket and so does the girl. She turns them back in to the cashier get paid and distribute back the money to the girls. The only time they share the money from ping pongs or money thrown on stage is when the girls are showgirls doing a show. Everything collected is share in this case.

Just the other night at Bacarra, a Japanese guy purchased 3 laundry buckets of ping pong cost per bucket was 10,000 baht = 30,000 baht, he Barfine three girls and they took off for Happy Go Go, and he then did the same thing 3 laundry buckets = 30,000 baht. People have their own ways of enjoying?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673949]
Just the other night at Bacarra, a Japanese guy purchased 3 laundry buckets of ping pong cost per bucket was 10,000 baht = 30,000 baht, he Barfine three girls and they took off for Happy Go Go, and he then did the same thing 3 laundry buckets = 30,000 baht. People have their own ways of enjoying?[/QUOTE]Yes, to get a pretty accurate idea about Japanese enjoyment just watch any of their porn production. Some are quite unbelievable. I even went there once and I was to do that again I'd rather stick to sushi. Yet I have a friend, renowned monger, that swears about the country.

The police swiped Beach Road once again last night. It's really no fun anymore if they do that every week. And always in the weekend when supply is the highest. Makes sense of course but dammit!

Nevertheless I hit gold around 10:30 PM. Opposite Mike Shopping Mall there was this cute girl leaning against the railing, facing the sea and pretending very hard not to be a WG. Well, maybe she truly wasn't because when I asked her if she was looking for a ST she didn't say yes right away and was playing hard to get. I really had to chat her up before she agreed to go with me! My guess is she was a 'good' girl who needed some extra cash and finally got the courage to go to Beach Road. But when she was approached by me she was getting doubts and I had to help her to get over the threshold (is that good English?).

Once in my room we chatted for about 10 minutes (I had to take it easy with this girl), then she suddenly started DFK'ing me and a few minutes later she stripped naked right in front of me. This was not your typical shy Thai girl! And no she wasn't drunk, not even tipsy.
And what a body this girl had, oh my! A delicious little 26 yo spinner body with not a flaw anywhere to be seen. No tattoos or piercings, small titties but nicely shaped, a hairy muff (but not a Bush), a sweet little butt and a very cute face.
What followed was a true GFE. Her BJ was very average but she loved to kiss, she loved DATY and above all she loved to fuck. She just couldn't get enough of my dick. And she was so damn sweet.

Sigh, I'm in love. Girls like this restore my faith in Beach Road a little bit.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673949] She turns them back in to the cashier get paid and distribute back the money to the girls. [/QUOTE]I see that happening also sometimes but not always. So that's why I was thinking they share it.

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1673926]Yeah this site used to be the brotherhood of sweet little mother fuckers, but has changed into the motherhood of brother fuckers.
SNIP
Happy pooning, LAT.[/QUOTE]Amen! Amen!

[QUOTE=Nuevo;1673866]
In every GoGo I asked, the barfine before midnight on Walking Street was 1,500 B. For Short-Time 2,500 was standard. ST was to be had either upstairs at the bar or a nearby ST Hotel for an additional 3-400B.
Nuevo.[/QUOTE]Apparently you have only been in coyote agogo's or they screwed you. In coyote agogo's the BF is usually 1500 Bath before midnight and 1000 Bath after midnight.
In agogo's with 'normal' dancers the BF is something between 600 and 1000 Bath, regardless the time of night.

The standard ST rate seems to be 2000 Bath these days (in Walking Street anyway).

You do not really have to go to a room upstairs or a nearby ST hotel. I always negotiate 2 hours in my hotel room and so far all of the girls I barfined agreed with it right away.
Of course it's convenient if your hotel is not too far from the agogo, say a maximum of 10 to 15 minutes away.

Been reading a lot about what people should wear and how it can help them in mongering. A generalization bothers me a little that everyone that wears short are wearing six pockets and sandals.

Now I never judge anyone as to what they wear but if wearing long pants and a silk shirt does it for you I say go for it. I don't

Judge guys that wear their pants waist to their chest nor do I judge or laugh (out loud) when they wear shorts but do it with black shocks and leather dress shoes.

Bangkok is a whole new Ballgame. I understand it. But Pattaya is a Resort town and just like Hawaii when I visit I come out in shorts. What I agree most with the comments are there are guys that go out and with money that smell and look like they just came off the beach playing volleyball like deodorant did not exist. I been in places in Bangkok and seen guys dress up nine yards but when they open their mouth, what I see is a serious case of gum disease or guys trying to be something they aren't, dying their hair jet black yet their face look like a old pitcher glove or better yet a comb over like no one is going to noticed.

Living here, the beauty is I love to wear what I've always wanted, shorts everyday 24/7. When I go to Bangkok, it is in shorts, I visit the Embassy I wear shorts, I go to night clubs I wear shorts never have a second thoughts about it nor do I care if a club Mixx stops me.

To clarify I do not wear six pockets or t-shirts when I go out at night. Majority of my shorts are expensive golf shorts or various colors along with the majority of my polo type shirts are the golf varieties. My dress type shirts are all short sleeves that do not need to be tucked in. Here in Pattaya, I have never been denied entry to a club or disco, never been told anything about my shorts instead I've been told including the I-Bar door guys who like to feel you up for weapons or drugs tell me nice pants. Majority of my foot war are basically Nike etc. Cost over $100. If a girl can't except what they see or what I wear they are doing me a favor I do not have to tell them their shit does smell like everyone's.

I do not need to window dress for anyone I'm comfortable in my own skin and I know who I am good or bad. I keep myself clean, shave everyday, keep the old package nice and tight for the young girls and if they want more or try to change me I move on.

Enjoy fellas.

Give some of the smaller one's or not as well known a try you just never know what you might find?

Spanky's BF 800 and most girls are happy with 2000/3000. Lighthouse 800 BF, most girls are happy with 2000/3000.

The Star also a few good girls they are all agencies but the BF 1500 after Midnight 1000, but girls go at least with me 2000/3000. Watch out this place although small they hustle especially the Tom mamasan for drinks and tips. Need to know how to politely say NO.

Skybar, new a small version of Sensation all Agency, BF 1500/1000 but a number of girls told me 2000/3000, some wanted more and I got them down but it was just a game. If I have to chew them down it takes away my feelings for them although one I nearly change my mind.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673980]
Skybar, new a small version of Sensation all Agency, BF 1500/1000 but a number of girls told me 2000/3000, some wanted more and I got them down but it was just a game. [/QUOTE]Do you mean Skyfall? I got a quote of 2000 from one of the girls there (no. 98, Oh, or however you spell it, very nice girl).
I think none of the girls there is worth 3000.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1673277]
There are like 60 go-go's on walking street, as far as I've heard. I think it would be cool to check out around half of those. Ambitious?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1673446]No, do a quick walk around inside before sitting down and that should reduce the list by 75%.[/QUOTE]Although I agree that some of the agogo's are hardly worth a visit I don't think it's wise to do a quick walk around and then leave rightaway when you don't like what you see. You can easily miss some nice or even hot girls who just went to the back to take a leak, a bite or a smoke (cigarette, not dick). I always sit down for at least one drink, even when the line up looks bad at first glance, and I'm quite often surprised by some nice looking girls that seem to come from nowhere after a while.

Post script: 'take a leak' is allowed but the word that sounds like p is not? Strange.

Common Sense Guys! Uncle V is right. Put yourself in the bargirls shoes. She has two patrons interested in her. Each are buying her LD's. She sits next to Patron #1 who looks like he has been wearing the same shorts and shirt for several days. He has bad breath and body odor. She sees he has a wallet full of baht and swallows her LD real fast and says she has to leave and dance or do something. She will come back to Mr. Stupid because she won't refuse another LD but will never spend a lot of time with him or leave with him. Patron #2 isn't in a tuxedo but looks fresh and clean and maybe is wearing a little cologne. He doesn't have a thick wallet full of baht but is friendly, clean, complimenting, buys her LD and she sips it slowly and is engaging in conversation. Guess what, it isn't a sure thing but Patron #2 has a shot of leaving with her. Long pants, shorts, etc. Whatever works for you, be clean and comfortable. Remember it isn't always the baht, you are selling yourself also. The good lookers can be very selective because they have many patrons during the shift that would gladly pay her what she wants. The moral of the story is, common sense guys, put yourself in your targets shoes and look at yourself in the mirror. Would you want to sleep next to guy like yourself? Or better yet, would you give a guy like yourself a BJ without taking a shower? Common sense guys!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1673895]I can't think of a better place, besides maybe a German FKK, for your maiden journey.

Walking Street will overwhelm you at first. It did did for me. With your adrenalin pumping, the thumping music, the flashing lights and the girls and touts coming at you from everywhere it can leave you on the verge of a panic attack.

Just take a deep breath and go with the flow and you will be fine. Patts is very safe with little in the way of scams or LE danger. And the girls are generally very nice and kind. If you try hard enough (it is getting harder these days) you will find a few gems that will knock your socks off and make it a memorable trip.


As for style, I try to dress nice, especially if I'm looking to pick up an FL at a disco. That means no shorts. long pants, and a collard shirt. And the girls do notice this stuff. I remember the last girl I took home from I-bar commenting with distaste about the guys that were in there in shorts. I avoid jeans (its just too damned hot to wear them - you will be boiling. Linen is the way to go. You'll look sharp and stay comfortable and cool.

I know some guys will object and say that all that matters is the money in your pocket. But its just not true. And who wants to be a slob anyway? I swear, some guys are ready to be buried in a pair of cargo shorts and Beer Chang tank top.

Stay horny my friend and happy mongering.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673954]The police swiped Beach Road once again last night. It's really no fun anymore if they do that every week. And always in the weekend when supply is the highest. Makes sense of course but dammit!

Nevertheless I hit gold around 10:30 PM. Opposite Mike Shopping Mall there was this cute girl leaning against the railing, facing the sea and pretending very hard not to be a WG. Well, maybe she truly wasn't because when I asked her if she was looking for a ST she didn't say yes right away and was playing hard to get. I really had to chat her up before she agreed to go with me! My guess is she was a 'good' girl who needed some extra cash and finally got the courage to go to Beach Road. But when she was approached by me she was getting doubts and I had to help her to get over the threshold (is that good English?).

Once in my room we chatted for about 10 minutes (I had to take it easy with this girl), then she suddenly started DFK'ing me and a few minutes later she stripped naked right in front of me. This was not your typical shy Thai girl! And no she wasn't drunk, not even tipsy.
And what a body this girl had, oh my! A delicious little 26 yo spinner body with not a flaw anywhere to be seen. No tattoos or piercings, small titties but nicely shaped, a hairy muff (but not a Bush), a sweet little butt and a very cute face.
What followed was a true GFE. Her BJ was very average but she loved to kiss, she loved DATY and above all she loved to fuck. She just couldn't get enough of my dick. And she was so damn sweet.

Sigh, I'm in love. Girls like this restore my faith in Beach Road a little bit.[/QUOTE]Kudos to you M for making the effort and trying a little harder. You were justly rewarded. I'm sure you got her digits too and will be seeing her again.

I also remember seeing girls a few weeks back at Mikes' and also by Central that I wasn't quite sure if they were working or not. But I was too much of a puss to just stop and talk to them. Your FR inspires me to give it a try and not let a potnatial godo one get away next time I am in town.

Stay horny my friend!

You-V.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673972]Been reading a lot about what people should wear and how it can help them in mongering. A generalization bothers me a little that everyone that wears short are wearing six pockets and sandals.

Now I never judge anyone as to what they wear but if wearing long pants and a silk shirt does it for you I say go for it. I don't

Judge guys that wear their pants waist to their chest nor do I judge or laugh (out loud) when they wear shorts but do it with black shocks and leather dress shoes.

Bangkok is a whole new Ballgame. I understand it. But Pattaya is a Resort town and just like Hawaii when I visit I come out in shorts. What I agree most with the comments are there are guys that go out and with money that smell and look like they just came off the beach playing volleyball like deodorant did not exist. I been in places in Bangkok and seen guys dress up nine yards but when they open their mouth, what I see is a serious case of gum disease or guys trying to be something they aren't, dying their hair jet black yet their face look like a old pitcher glove or better yet a comb over like no one is going to noticed.

Living here, the beauty is I love to wear what I've always wanted, shorts everyday 24/7. When I go to Bangkok, it is in shorts, I visit the Embassy I wear shorts, I go to night clubs I wear shorts never have a second thoughts about it nor do I care if a club Mixx stops me.

To clarify I do not wear six pockets or t-shirts when I go out at night. Majority of my shorts are expensive golf shorts or various colors along with the majority of my polo type shirts are the golf varieties. My dress type shirts are all short sleeves that do not need to be tucked in. Here in Pattaya, I have never been denied entry to a club or disco, never been told anything about my shorts instead I've been told including the I-Bar door guys who like to feel you up for weapons or drugs tell me nice pants. Majority of my foot war are basically Nike etc. Cost over $100. If a girl can't except what they see or what I wear they are doing me a favor I do not have to tell them their shit does smell like everyone's.

I do not need to window dress for anyone I'm comfortable in my own skin and I know who I am good or bad. I keep myself clean, shave everyday, keep the old package nice and tight for the young girls and if they want more or try to change me I move on.

Enjoy fellas.[/QUOTE]LB you are obviously a class act and what I was saying does not apply to you as, from what I read, it seems that you are a gentleman and do put the right amount of effort in your appearance. I stand corrected that shorts can also be classy, though I don't think I would ever wear them to a disco. That's just me.

I would never hit a place like I-bar without taking a shower and in beach bum attire because it would make me feel gross and uncomfortable to myself first. Bar girls and their opinions are a secondary consideration.

I always read debates regarding grooming and clothing with interest and to myself that means I take my pride in being well groomed and nicely dressed. As others if I will visit nightclubs I dress in cool jeans, nice shoes and collared shirt. This is mandatory in Hi so nightclubs in BKK but I still wear them even going to more FL directed venues. Pattaya very well be a resort town but I doubt anyone would show up in Hawais Honolulu hottest nightspot wearing shorts and flip flops. But each to his own. In various venues the best stunners can always choose and even if most of them are there for the money but at least if it is a draw between a young nicely fit and well dressed stud and a filthy fat bad smelling old hairy Victoria bitter singlet wearing hunk in their offering I bet in 1001/1000 the stunner choose the first one. I don't think they even have to be the top stunners picking like this. That being said I don't give a shit how other mongers dress of course. We are all different. Mostly i wear shorts in warm countries this is only reflecting my views for the clubbing. In places like Hillary3 BKK soi 11 I can of course very well pop in for a cold brew in shorts and flip flops(sorry I don't have any names for u regarding pattis as i only go nightclubs in pattis and 2 days max)...

A couple of weeks ago I was in Insomnia. Showed up a Monday morning around 1 am and the place was pumping. People nursing their one beer was occupying tables so when I ordered my usual btl service the staffs got me a table seating by the wall all by myself. It is nice to relax a moment to get pumped up and ship a few drinks before picking out tonight's victim. Speaking about victims! At the table infront of me (close to the small dancing stage) I saw this stunning girl with a guy looking as described above (he had another singlet brand though). I never try to pick a girl occupied so I just looked at her (as I believe we all do), felt sorry for her and moved on to my own business. While I was drinking a few girls came over to my table for the interview routine and chemistry check. I could not help to notice the mentioned girl (the most beautiful I did see present, without me seeing them all of them of course as it is dimmed lights, dance stage blocking views to the opposite wall, at least part of it) was looking away from his bloke and towards me. A few times the bloke caught her in looking at other guys as well and he grabbed her hand hard and shook her. What he was saying I don't know but he did not look happy so it was probably not anything nice. At one point he obviously had to go somewhere so I saw he pointed his fingers towards her probably ordering her to stay at the table and not move. My eyes were only dragged to their table because of his stupid behaviour as he drawed himself to the attention. I also saw other people reacting. When he finally left her alone for a while I tried on purpose not to look at her. At one point I did and she smiled to me and jumped our to my table. Almost before she arrived my table and without us being able to say anything this old bloke jumped out from somewhere and dragged her away. He eyeballed me as in a threatening way but I did not mind and just smiled to him. I could smell his very bad cologne with the mix of a heavy smell of sweat. Poor girl. In another world where I was a cock blocker or a, guy stealing other men's girls I would have done it here. She was lovely. In this world I could not. I felt in a way saving her in a smart funny way but all in all I guess this happens anywhere and many times a day so I did put it to rest.

So in short if you are a smelling old fart with no sense of normal behaviour don't take your price wife / BF / GF whatsoever and at least not take her to a pretty decent nightclub as Insomnia (not perfect but in Pattis standards it is good) surrounded with good looking-, well dressed-, fairly young- and most importantly, nice people. If you can not live up to those standards stay at a side soi bar. If you are afraid of loosing your girl you should think about that prior to going out. Poor girl. Flaming ends.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1674064]I'm sure you got her digits too and will be seeing her again.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I sent her a nice 'thank you' message today. So far she has not replied yet so maybe she regrets she had sex for money.

Unfortunately I'm leaving for Cambodia tomorrow only to come back next week for a few days in Bangkok and then I will go to the Philippines for a month.
Some time in March I will return to Thailand, hopefully she still wants to see me then.

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1674049]Common Sense Guys! Uncle V is right. Put yourself in the bargirls shoes. She has two patrons interested in her. Each are buying her LD's. She sits next to Patron #1 who looks like he has been wearing the same shorts and shirt for several days. He has bad breath and body odor. She sees he has a wallet full of baht and swallows her LD real fast and says she has to leave and dance or do something. She will come back to Mr. Stupid because she won't refuse another LD but will never spend a lot of time with him or leave with him. Patron #2 isn't in a tuxedo but looks fresh and clean and maybe is wearing a little cologne. He doesn't have a thick wallet full of baht but is friendly, clean, complimenting, buys her LD and she sips it slowly and is engaging in conversation. Guess what, it isn't a sure thing but Patron #2 has a shot of leaving with her. Long pants, shorts, etc. Whatever works for you, be clean and comfortable. Remember it isn't always the baht, you are selling yourself also. The good lookers can be very selective because they have many patrons during the shift that would gladly pay her what she wants. The moral of the story is, common sense guys, put yourself in your targets shoes and look at yourself in the mirror. Would you want to sleep next to guy like yourself? Or better yet, would you give a guy like yourself a BJ without taking a shower? Common sense guys![/QUOTE]Is the guy with bad body odour an INdiAn?

Alright, here's my two bits. In life, never under dress. I may have only two pairs of trousers in my bag, but will never wear shorts. Collar shirt is a must. Some nice accessory you can buy here and if you don't like them leave behind after use. I have a fragrance suggestion for you guys, Santos by Cartier. Old style but incredibly mundane. I've never taken a woman that didn't like it, or made a good act at pretending she did.

Now for the usable info, I want to be generous here. The [B]only doable girl[/B] in "Red car" pub is 25 yrs young Lek (beside the occasional lookers playing pool. These are, I can assure you, very hardened). As her name says she's petite, but not so much. Cute face that reminds me of a young Bjork, stands normally one table away from the restroom. First night I failed to grab her before another guy did, and we ended looking each other at Marine, she certainly did not spared meaningful looks. The following night I found her again as above. She has an open attitude, with zero bullshit. Overall is of the quiet type. Had a good time in bed, participating without being a freak. Accepted 2K LT, but very reluctantly to BBJ. Slept over, skillfully eluded morning pop and called her driver without asking for any taxi money, that I gave anyway. Just whish there were more like that.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673954]The police swiped Beach Road once again last night. It's really no fun anymore if they do that every week. And always in the weekend when supply is the highest. Makes sense of course but dammit![/QUOTE]No Worries. The ladies were out in force again tonight.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1674067]
So in short if you are a smelling old fart with no sense of normal behaviour don't take your pricewife / BF / GF whatsoever and atleast not take her to a pretty decent nightclub as Insomnia (not perfect but in Pattis standards it is good) surrounded with good looking-, well dressed-, fairly young- and most importantly, nice people. If you can not live up to those standards stay at a side soi bar. If you are afraid of loosing your girl you should think about that prior to going out. Poor girl. Flaming ends.[/QUOTE]Haha! Amen brother!

The flip side of the coin are guys who will try to move in on your girl even when you are having a great time and clicking with her. A twenty-something bedhead douche tried this with me and a girl at I-bar a few weeks ago. I gave him the Balkan Wars of the 90's death stare (I'm Croatian) and he promptly buggered off with his tail between his legs. I took the sweet young thing home and gave her a proper shag. And she is still IMing me to see when I will be back in Patts. LOL.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1674123]Now for the usable info, I want to be generous here. The [B]only doable girl[/B] in "Red car" pub is 25 yrs young Lek (beside the occasional lookers playing pool. These are, I can assure you, very hardened). .[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. I met my current regular at RC and she is a real beauty. I've gotten compliments on how good she looks from friend and other people I've met when we are together. And she is not hardened at all but on of the sweetest and easy going girls I've ever been with.

One of the hottest girls I hooked up with this year I met at RC back in May. And there were some good prospect the last time I was there back in late December, though I was with my regular then so I couldn't take them home.

That said, the place can definitely be hit or miss. But I think it is definitely worth a quick look.

[QUOTE=Steve7777;1674102]Is the guy with bad body odour an INdiAn?[/QUOTE]Sad sterotype racist comment.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1674179]Haha! Amen brother!

The flip side of the coin are guys who will try to move in on your girl even when you are having a great time and clicking with her. A twenty-something bedhead douche tried this with me and a girl at I-bar a few weeks ago. I gave him the Balkan Wars of the 90's death stare (I'm Croatian) and he promptly buggered off with his tail between his legs. I took the sweet young thing home and gave her a proper shag. And she is still IMing me to see when I will be back in Patts. LOL.[/QUOTE]She's IMing you while she's in his bed. Hell, a girl even took a call from another guy when she was in my bed.

What's going on with guys talking about how to dress to impress? Its a pointless argument when it comes to paying girls for their time. About as pointless as posting a photo of yourself next to a fancy car that you rented.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673954]The police swiped Beach Road once again last night. It's really no fun anymore if they do that every week. And always in the weekend when supply is the highest. Makes sense of course but dammit!

Nevertheless I hit gold around 10:30 PM. Opposite Mike Shopping Mall there was this cute girl leaning against the railing, facing the sea and pretending very hard not to be a WG. Well, maybe she truly wasn't because when I asked her if she was looking for a ST she didn't say yes right away and was playing hard to get. I really had to chat her up before she agreed to go with me! My guess is she was a 'good' girl who needed some extra cash and finally got the courage to go to Beach Road. But when she was approached by me she was getting doubts and I had to help her to get over the threshold (is that good English?).

Once in my room we chatted for about 10 minutes (I had to take it easy with this girl), then she suddenly started DFK'ing me and a few minutes later she stripped naked right in front of me. This was not your typical shy Thai girl! And no she wasn't drunk, not even tipsy.
And what a body this girl had, oh my! A delicious little 26 yo spinner body with not a flaw anywhere to be seen. No tattoos or piercings, small titties but nicely shaped, a hairy muff (but not a Bush), a sweet little butt and a very cute face.
What followed was a true GFE. Her BJ was very average but she loved to kiss, she loved DATY and above all she loved to fuck. She just couldn't get enough of my dick. And she was so damn sweet.

Sigh, I'm in love. Girls like this restore my faith in Beach Road a little bit.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you were in the right place at the right time with the right amount of finesse. She doesn't sound like a pro in any way, an uncommon thing in pattaya.

I met a girl back in 2005 that just came down to pattaya to make some money to buy a nice purse. She was GFE all the way and spoke impeccable english as she was an interpreter for american express. She stayed with me for the weekend then we both took a taxi to bkk for the night before she went to her day job. She was hot hot hot and sweet as well and only asked for 1000 baht per 24 HR day. I still have her picture and look for her now and then but she obviously doesn't need a new purse yet, haha. I met her near big C, when there were beer bars instead of go go bars there. These girls do exist but they are few and far between. congratulations, You just had your lucky day.

Happy pooning, LAT.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1674209]She's IMing you while she's in his bed. Hell, a girl even took a call from another guy when she was in my bed.

What's going on with guys talking about how to dress to impress? Its a pointless argument when it comes to paying girls for their time. About as pointless as posting a photo of yourself next to a fancy car that you rented.[/QUOTE]It is usually the guys that have nothing to offer in terms of looks, charm, or personality that claim it is only about the money.

If you want to get the top quality girls and get a great GFE experience out of them you have to bring a lot more to the table -- even if they are working girls.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1674067]
A couple of weeks ago I was in Insomnia. Showed up a Monday morning around 1 am and the place was pumping. People nursing their one beer was occupying tables so when I ordered my usual btl service the staffs got me a table seating by the wall all by myself. [/QUOTE]I say its the bottle that brings the girl over, bottle symbolizes money since they know how much a bottle costs. You could have been butt naked with a bottle in front of you and she would have made eye contract with you. Doubt me, try sitting there dressed to the 9's with a bottle of water in front of you and see how lucky you are.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1674224]It is usually the guys that have nothing to offer in terms of looks, charm, or personality that claim it is only about the money.

If you want to get the top quality girls and get a great GFE experience out of them you have to bring a lot more to the table -- even if they are working girls.[/QUOTE]Looks, charm and personality don't mean shit if your not plying the girl with alcohol (which costs money). Leave your money at home and see how far you get.

Scenario: Which guy would a hot GFE flock to...the guy dressed to the 9's or the guy in shorts buying 2 buckets of ping pong balls?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1674228]Leave your money at home and see how far you get.[/QUOTE]And as ISG's motto acknowledges, money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac!

Girls want you to dress nice and smell nice.

I won't sweat as much if I'm in shorts, so I'll smell nice.

I'll sweat more if I'm in pants and button down shirt, so I'll smell worse.

Seems like I can't win! LOL.

I wear nice clothes to work. I'm on holiday; I'll be happily wearing shorts. I'm going to buy a pair of ugly cargo shorts just for the trip. They'll have 10 pockets, or twenty! I might just go buy pockets and stitch them together to look like shorts! I don't care! If a girl doesn't want to sleep with me because of my pocket shorts then I'll find another girl who will.

I don't need a GFE. I have a GF and she never leaves me alone. I'm not paying for them to love me, I'm paying them to leave when I'm finished. (Short time seems perfect to me).

Some of you are complaining about the weirdest stuff; talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I'm going to wear two different color flip-flops, pocket shorts, and a bad wife-beater one night, and business casual the next just to prove I can get laid in either. I'm going to walk down the middle of WS with a flag just like those tour groups, except mine will say "bad dresser, smart fucker".

You guys need to lighten up and remember this is one of the greatest experiences our world has to offer. Who cares what color underwear you put on this morning! Rock it like a champion!

Now somebody post some reports. I need something to read when I take a shit later today.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1674228]Looks, charm and personality don't mean shit if your not plying the girl with alcohol (which costs money). Leave your money at home and see how far you get.

Scenario: Which guy would a hot GFE flock to...the guy dressed to the 9's or the guy in shorts buying 2 buckets of ping pong balls?[/QUOTE]We can all agree that money is the big motivation here but my strong point was initially when everything else is the same the girls will choose the well groomed and well behaved vs the not so. And since the place at stake here is Insomnia where you find all kinds of girls (mostly money motivated of course) a semipro girl (still a prostitute though) often carry her own job and can to a point choose more to her liking and not all money motivated. In other words if she gets lets say 2 or 3 k and the 3 K is from Mr Frankenstein she can easily choose to go with the one offering 2 k. It happens I know it. I never visit places like go go or beer bars. All in nightclub guy and therefor runs in an environment where things isn't so black and white as you suggests. But I always compensate on the high side (3 k for LT play, regulars, FL's, semipro both in Pattis and BKK) but the girls don't know this as I never ever discuss prices upfront. Keeps a girl motivated and for the regulars I gift them/call it a gift to avoid offending them offering cash(hey go buy yourself something nice now, thank u bye bye).

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1674244]You guys need to lighten up and remember this is one of the greatest experiences our world has to offer. Who cares what color underwear you put on this morning! Rock it like a champion![/QUOTE]I don't wear underwear when on vacation hahaha! Oh no! The tutes won't want to get with me now LOL!

Really excited for my first trip to Thailand. My mongering experience entails a couple trips to Sosua in the DR but Pattaya seems like it will be a whole new ballgame. I'm a 39 yr old American teaching in China. Thanks for all the great information provided on here. I arrive in Bangkok at 11:15 pm on the 7th of February. My hotel is offering to pick me up for 1800 which seems like a lot. I'm staying at OZO Pattaya. I hope that it's not too far out of the way. I looked at some other hotels that were recommended but they were either out of my price range or booked. If I just pick up a taxi out of the airport in Bangkok, how likely are they to find my hotel in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1674065]LB you are obviously a class act and what I was saying does not apply to you as, from what I read, it seems that you are a gentleman and do put the right amount of effort in your appearance. I stand corrected that shorts can also be classy, though I don't think I would ever wear them to a disco. That's just me.

I would never hit a place like I-bar without taking a shower and in beach bum attire because it would make me feel gross and uncomfortable to myself first. Bar girls and their opinions are a secondary consideration.[/QUOTE]Wearing short also comes in handy using a bathroom especially if it is not a sit down? The big plus especially with the golf shorts they are are light, super comfortable dry quickly. Before the wet season ended going to the Lone star for Baby Back ribs one night with a bunch of guys on motorbike it was not raining on the darkside as soon as we came down Pattaya Klang, super large downpour everyone was soak to the bones including me but before dinner was over I was already dried.

The biggest plus of all. My shorts are somewhat flexible and it allows me even at my age to do a good split, back flip, and a decent moon walk at a disco? 555.

Look fellas you guys are beating a dead horse to death? Not everyone wearing shorts is smelly etc. If this is the only defense you guys have get another one. It does not take a rocket scientist or a lot of common sense to understand given the choice to a girl she rather go with a guy that does not smell. I was recently sitting with a stunner why she was sitting with me I have no idea and another girl slightly a notch below. The stunner her breath was like WOW, I'm getting dizzy baby, and the other great fun. Guess who I choose not rocket science.

I'm been in a few situation not at places like I-BAR, but at Isaan Bars, that other girls with my shorts and etc. Even at my age give me looks just as noted by Skogis situation. A few years back I took a girl from the Darkside a regular, the longer I was seeing her I noticed she took advantage of situation like telling me not to see others in her bar etc. But I notice whenever she was with me when I was talking you could see or feel her looking elsewhere for other customers it was a bad habit / ignoring plus I was getting tired or her. I told her here is some taxi money and went over to another table where I knew some other girls from a go go and drank with them.

Now I don't know if I smell, my breath was bad, I was not handsome enough for her any longer or just too old, or wearing shorts showing my chicken legs but there are just too many fishes in the sea to worry about who might go or pick me because of my shorts. To end, I do not wear T-shirts out always got a collar.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1674067]I allways read debates regarding grooming and clothing with interest and to myself that means I take my pride in beeing well groomed and nicely dressed. As others if I will visit nightclubs I dress in cool jeans, nice shoes and collared shirt. This is mandatory in Hi so nightclubs in BKK but I still wear them even going to more FL directed venues. Pattaya very well be a resort town but I doubt anyone would show up in Hawais Honululu hottest nightspot wearing shorts and flip flops. But each to his own. In various venues the best stunners can allways choose and even if most of them are there for the money but atleast if it is a draw between a young nicely fit and well dressed stud and a filthy fat bad smelling old hairy victoria bitter singletwearing hunk in their offering I bet in 1001/1000 the stunner choose the first one. I don't think they even have to be the top stunners picking like this. That beeing said i dont give a shit how other mongers dress ofcourse. We are all different. Mostly i wear shorts in warm countries this is only reflecting my views for the clubbing. In places like Hillary3 BKK soi 11 i can ofcourse very well pop in for a cold brew in shorts and flip flops(sorry i dont have any names for u regarding pattis as i only go nightclubs in pattis and 2 days max)...

A couple of weeks ago I was in Insomnia. Showed up a Monday morning around 1 am and the place was pumping. People nursing their one beer was occupying tables so when I ordered my usual btl service the staffs got me a table seating by the wall all by myself. It is nice to relax a moment to get pumped up and ship a few drinks before picking out tonights victim. Speaking about victims! At the table infront of me (close to the small dancing stage) I saw this stunning girl with a guy looking as described above (he had another singlet brand though). I never try to pick a girl occupied so I just looked at her (as I believe we all do), felt sorry for her and moved on to my own business. While I was drinking a few girls came over to my table for the interviewroutine and chemistry check. I could not help to notice the mentioned girl (the most beautiful I did see present, without me seeing them all of them ofcourse as it is dimmed lights, dance stage blocking views to the oposite wall, atleast part of it) was looking away from his bloke and towards me. A few times the bloke catched her in looking at other guys as well and he grabbed her hand hard and shook her. What he was saying I don't know but he did not look happy so it was probably not anything nice. At one point he obviously had to go somewhere so I saw he pointed his fingers towards her probably ordering her to stay at the table and not move. My eyes were only dragged to their table because of his stupid behaviour as he drawed himself to the attention. I also saw other people reacting. When he finaly left her alone for a while I tried on purpose not to look at her. At one point I did and she smiled to me and jumped our to my table. Almost before she arrived my table and without us beeing able to say anything this old bloke jumped out from somewhere and dragged her away. He eyeballed me as in a threatning way but I did not mind and just smiled to him. I could smell his very bad cologne with the mix of a heavy smell of sweat. Poor girl. In another world where I was a cockblocker or a,guy stealing other mens girls I would have done it here. She was lovely. In this world I could not. I felt in a way saving her in a smart funny way but all in all I guess this happens anywhere and many times a day so I did put it to rest.

So in short if you are a smelling old fart with no sense of normal behaviour don't take your pricewife / BF / GF whatsoever and atleast not take her to a pretty decent nightclub as Insomnia (not perfect but in Pattis standards it is good) surrounded with good looking-, well dressed-, fairly young- and most importantly, nice people. If you can not live up to those standards stay at a side soi bar. If you are afraid of loosing your girl you should think about that prior to going out. Poor girl. Flaming ends.[/QUOTE]So the moral of the story was? He still did her later that night. Maybe in the morning and next afternoon too.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1674342]So the moral of the story was? He still did her later that night. Maybe in the morning and next afternoon too.[/QUOTE]+ 1, the reality is no one force her to go with Smelly. Smelly didn't start smelling when he got to the Disco, nor did he change to shorts when he got there. It was her choice and in the end she got paid Smelly or not.

[QUOTE=ManOfMystery;1674275]Really excited for my first trip to Thailand. My mongering experience entails a couple trips to Sosua in the DR but Pattaya seems like it will be a whole new ballgame. I'm a 39 yr old American teaching in China. Thanks for all the great information provided on here. I arrive in Bangkok at 11:15 pm on the 7th of February. My hotel is offering to pick me up for 1800 which seems like a lot. I'm staying at OZO Pattaya. I hope that it's not too far out of the way. I looked at some other hotels that were recommended but they were either out of my price range or booked. If I just pick up a taxi out of the airport in Bangkok, how likely are they to find my hotel in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]The location of OZO is OK. Bars on Second Road and LK Metro are at walking distance. Walking Street is a bit further away but not really far, you can either walk all the way (15 min.) or walk to Beach Road and take a bath bus from there.

If you print out the hotel's address, preferably in Thai, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find. Try to find a driver from Pattaya in the arrival hall who has just dropped of a customer. He will be happy to drive you for about 1000 to 1200 bath. But please negotiate and ask if the highway tolls are included or not!

Alternatively you can arrange a taxi in advance. There are several email addresses mentioned on this forum of reliable drivers.

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1674244]I'm going to wear two different color flip-flops, pocket shorts, and a bad wife-beater one night, and business casual the next just to prove I can get laid in either.[/QUOTE]Mr. 19 is new around here, so he can be forgiven for not knowing about three classic debates that periodically erupt. (1) How to dress. (2) How much to pay. (3) How much better Pattaya was "Back in the Day. " No worries. Mr. 19's innocent query gave a bunch of the cranky old farts a chance to wax eloquent about sartorial style, and what's better than that?

Actually, just about anything. So as the consultants like to say I'll try to add value here by recommending something that has heretofore gone unsaid.

Everyone knows that the sex game, even the paid sex game, is 99 percent mental. So as far as I'm concerned your attire matters less than your ATTITUDE. Thais prefer to hang out with people who are "sanook," which means fun or enjoyable. They prefer leisure time activities which are sanook. One of the nicest compliments a Thai can bestow is to say you are "jai dee," which loosely translated means you have a "good heart." Again, the emphasis is on attitude, empathy, consideration, and, dare I say, sensitivity.

So my advice to Mr. 19, is to wear whatever the hell he wants during his maiden trip to Pattaya. But work hard to be fun and to have a good heart, whether he's dealing with the working girls, the service girls, the old ladies fixing him a bowl of noodles or that gritty motorcycle taxi guy. As others have noted, the 80 percent experience should be easy to come by. So don't worry about that last 20 percent. You are on holiday, after all. For somebody who says he's never ever spent time on the naughty boy circuit, the first trip to Pattaya will be overwhelming enough.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1674244]Some of you are complaining about the weirdest stuff; talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I'm going to wear two different color flip-flops, pocket shorts, and a bad wife-beater one night, and business casual the next just to prove I can get laid in either. I'm going to walk down the middle of WS with a flag just like those tour groups, except mine will say "bad dresser, smart fucker".

You guys need to lighten up and remember this is one of the greatest experiences our world has to offer. Who cares what color underwear you put on this morning! Rock it like a champion!

Now somebody post some reports. I need something to read when I take a shit later today.[/QUOTE]Dude you have a lot of opinions for someone who came to this forum a few days ago looking for advice. Or do I smell a Troll?

SL.

My dear friend that is a downright racist comment. I am an Indian and have traveled a lot and in many countries including Thailand several times. I have never even once been rejected due to my ethnicity. It's a matter of personal hygiene and attitude. I have come across a lot of smelly characters in all countries I have traveled to, but I don't link that as their national character. There are guys who are clean, smell nice and are dressed in a decent attire and generally well behaved in all countries and then there are the smelly, arrogant ones also. So let us not generalize.

[QUOTE=Steve7777;1674102]Is the guy with bad body odour an INdiAn?[/QUOTE]

People will wear what they want. If you need to tell somebody to shower, you're wasting your time. They are a lost cause.

If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.

[QUOTE=Allover;1674537]People will wear what they want. If you need to tell somebody to shower, you're wasting your time. They are a lost cause.

If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.[/QUOTE]If you're able to open a separate thread on garments or anything else, please go ahead. Sorry if the discussion has not entertained you.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1674538]If you're able to open a separate thread on garments or anything else, please go ahead. Sorry if the discussion has not entertained you.[/QUOTE]JESUS H CHRIST! I regret ever broaching this subject. Guys lets move the hell on!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673782]Like I indicated " keep it in perspective" It is not just Indians, I know and met people here maybe from reading things about Thailand that you can always bargain everything down it sticks to your head and then there are the stubborn one who will not listen and get offended at the mention.

I was like this once. I did it unconscious. Was in Bangkok staying at Nana, I walked all the way to the US Embassy it was over a 100 degrees. Once done we came outside and decided lets take a tuk tuk back, yes tuk tuk that was how long it was, the guy said 50 baht I usually pay 30 baht, so decided to walk back thinking I was getting ripped off for 20 baht more. When I got back I laugh at myself thinking what a stupid fuck I was.

I've seen guys run around town looking to save 5 baht on a Broom. But have no problem of paying double for pussy or have their 4 cups of coffee at Starbucks?[/QUOTE]To LittleBigman.

I like to walk in while I am in China and asia you sweat it out get a good work out not to save a few bht, I lose about 15 lb on my last trip now back in the US gain it all back.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Bunky;1674503]Everyone knows that the sex game, even the paid sex game, is 99 percent mental. So as far as I'm concerned your attire matters less than your ATTITUDE. Thais prefer to hang out with people who are "sanook," which means fun or enjoyable. They prefer leisure time activities which are sanook. One of the nicest compliments a Thai can bestow is to say you are "jai dee," which loosely translated means you have a "good heart." Again, the emphasis is on attitude, empathy, consideration, and, dare I say, sensitivity.

Bunky[/QUOTE]That's the best advise I have seen on these forums in a while. Your attitude is the most important part after your wallet, not your pants LOL.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1674342]So the moral of the story was? He still did her later that night. Maybe in the morning and next afternoon too.[/QUOTE]My moral of the story was "girl in chain" with an obvious controlling old smelly bloke with a far to pretty girl for him to bring at least to this venue (a typical mismatch in almost all aspects. It was not a pretty sight and looked sad. But except from that you and others are right she probably end up with him voluntarily in the first place. But treating a lady good, paid or not, is to me mandatory.

Others than that I agree with our Croatian friend, lets move on. How to dress subjects pops up every now and then (many times also in BKK thread).

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Allover;1674537]
If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.[/QUOTE]I agree, let's cut it short.

Oh, I'm sorry!

[QUOTE=Allover;1674537]People will wear what they want. If you need to tell somebody to shower, you're wasting your time. They are a lost cause.

If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.[/QUOTE]Within all the shorts or no shorts, between the lines I'm finding out lots of information about mongering in clubs and do and don't.

A19, you can take a shit quicker if you wear shorts.

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I arrived in Pattaya directly from Bangkok this time around. Decided against making a pit stop in BKK, for cost reasons, I suppose. The flight was late by an hour, immigration lines were long and finally I managed to take a coach and reach Pattaya at 3 pm (I should have reached at 1 pm.

Pipe Layer had already booked me into Noble Place 2 on soi Lengkee for 3 nights. The rate I paid was 700 baht each night. The room is self sufficient, no security desk which collects the girls cards, but you have your own un-impeded access to your room.

Smoking is permitted only in the balconies.

After checking in, I had hoped to catch shut eye for 2-3 hours before heading out. But since I had a lot of pent up energy from anticipation, I could not control. Immediately began working the phone, but before tangible success could be achieved, my freebie called and wanted to come over. I had met her on my last trip, she gave me a lift to Mixx and I got her number. We kept in touch, and she was more than happy to come over.

I had often times thought if I should schedule the freebie for the last day, since I didn't want a clinger on my hands. But as fate would have it, I managed to circumvent that. The girl came over and I had probably my quickest shag. I came in copious amounts, I would not cum like this for the rest of my trip. I gave her some taxi money and I told her that Pipe Layer was expecting to catch up over drinks.

Met him for drinks around 8-9 pm and we ended up drinking and chatting for the longest time, before Pipe Layer suggested that we get on the business I had come to Pattaya for. We headed to Red Car, and although there were several pretty girls, I did not meet with much success. PL played the perfect wingman, but I was not able to motivate myself to pounce on the girls, I had not slept in 48 hours.

PL found a pretty girl with an amazing posterior. While he left, I hung around on walking street hoping that mojo would return and I could pick someone. I waited outside Lucifer for a while, amongst the several LB streetwalkers there were one or two pretty girls. They wanted 2000. Never mind, I just went back to the hotel. Slept like a baby for 8 hrs.

I was raring to go the next day. But still not motivated, I was glad that I had come to warmer climes from the chills in Delhi, but day time Pattaya heat is just exhausting. So after working the phone for a bit, setting up something for later, I did a walk through chaiyapoon and honey. During the day there just isn't great optics to be found.

After this I headed to soi 6, walked up and down twice and was happy to note that there was improvement in the general quality. Only one cute little thing managed to make me stop dead in my tracks, thankfully she smiled, or else I would have walked on. Ordered a drink and chatted with her all of 10 minutes and she had me hard. The bar if I remember correctly was Offshore Bar. Drinks were priced at 90 baht, standard upstairs room rent was 300 and while all the other girls would go for 700, this one stuck to her guns and made me pay 1000. Well I wasn't willing to pass up on it, as it is, it is little difficult to find my type for a lesser price.

The shag was good, she was a good trooper and throughout kept making eye contact with me through the mirrors. She won't be around very long, she is hoping to find a job in Singapore where supposedly her friend makes big money. Soi 6 just can't keep its pretty working girls around for long.

Around 8 pm, met up with PL, the girl from Red Car had just gone home for a shower and rest, PL and I had a steak dinner. Again, less motivated, we did a run of the bars and didn't find anything too exciting. Did a short walk on beach road and there were definitely 2/3 decent ones around. I didn't have the mileage to take another girl this night.

Next day it was post 12, and found another working girl (semi) through the phone, who was willing to come over for 700 baht. Very well, a quick bang in my room and morning wood was taken care off. Didn't even get her name.

At night we did a go go crawl, went through Mandarin, Sugarbabys, sweethearts, Sensations and Bacarra. We knew we weren't going to bar fine the hotties, we were just there to drink and grab some tits and ass. Very fulfilling indeed. Saw one doofus at Sensations, who got up on stage and was throwing 20 baht notes around and the girls including waitresses were all over the place picking it up and screaming. Saw one waitress sustain a minor head bump in the process 555.

After all this entertainment, it was time to get down to business. I-bar was the next spot, and this time unlike my previous visits hoped to snag something early in the night (it was 1. 30 am when we entered). Half way through walking around and checking the women all around, I again stopped dead in my tracks seeing this cute little thing in a very nice knee length frock
with black and white check print, sitting on a table and sipping water. Her friend was dancing with some farang and they were smoking shisha.

I got the initial crap out of the she was happy to go back with me for 1,500. We did some dancing and getting to know each other. While PL was fondling two girls at one time LOL, so after half and hour or so, I took the girl back to my room. She seemed a little reluctant, and within 10 odd minutes of arriving at the room, her friend called up saying that the farang was done. Damn that guy got conned out of 2000 for short time.

My girl also wanted to do short time, I informed her that for short time I would not pay more than 1000. She readily agreed. CBJ was not fun, no deep kissing either. Anyways, she did provide great GFE minus the making out. I still think it was a good shag for 1000.

Caught sleep for 5 odd hours and it was time to check out. Kept my bag at the reception, after a couple of beers at Triangle bar, took a moto taxi to the club on Pratamnak. PL and I tried visiting this place the previous night but it was closing time. Today I sat around and saw the line up which was decent, took one girl into the room and had a session. This session began with a CBJ, damn. I should have asked this upfront. Anyways took the longest time to cum, but couldn't manage it. I was all out of juice.

Pattaya isn't too bad during high season, more girls around, but also a lot more tourists. I avoided walking street as much as possible, but when I couldn't I always surrounded by flag bearing massive tour groups, wtf.

Can't wait to come back soon, this time the wait will be longer.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1674862]I waited outside Lucifer for a while, amongst the several LB streetwalkers there were one or two pretty girls. They wanted 2000. Never mind, I just went back to the hotel. Slept like a baby for 8 hrs.
[/QUOTE]Hehe, I think that either you were properly fooled, or our tastes for women are very different. There are no pretty girls working directly across Lucifer. If you mean the small framed "people", with a cute face, no implants no tattoos no aggressive features etc, they were born male. They just cater to a different customer base based on their natural body type, and stay in a group of similar characteristics to reinforce the impression.

There can be women standing a little by the side, most often alone, but they are not pretty at all. Only rarely one can find a good looking working standing still on walking street. Because by established customs, ladies have to [I]walk[/I].

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1674862]I arrived in Pattaya directly from Bangkok this time

Can't wait to come back soon, this time the wait will be longer.[/QUOTE]This was a pretty short and quick visit. Guess best way to spend weekend out when the entire Indian capital is under lock down due to President Obama visit.

Can't wait for my upcoming Visit. Hope the season crowd would have thinned out by then. Would be my second and critical visit.

Lucky for you to have friend like PL along. Makes life simpler and faster with his immense knowledge and experience of the local scene.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1674933]Hehe, I think that either you were properly fooled, or our tastes for women are very different. There are no pretty girls working directly across Lucifer. If you mean the small framed "people", with a cute face, no implants no tattoos no aggressive features etc, they were born male. They just cater to a different customer base based on their natural body type, and stay in a group of similar characteristics to reinforce the impression.

There can be women standing a little by the side, most often alone, but they are not pretty at all. Only rarely one can find a good looking working standing still on walking street. Because by established customs, ladies have to [I]walk[/I].[/QUOTE]You are right. I stood outside Lucifer for a while, there were two groups, one which was very plasticy and one could make out that most were LBs and within this group one or two were skinny, plasticy but did not give off overt signs of being LBs, and then there is a second group which stands closer to family mart that had nothing great. I did enquire only with one of the plasticy girl, but didn't take her back. Soon enough there was a group of men who came and hired a big cab and took 4-5 of these street walkers. If these working girls were born male at some point, then who ever surgically altered them did a fine job with some, had me fooled purely on optics.

Nice FR Actionman! Thanks for getting the thread back on track!

I too have been fooled by the "ladies" outside Lucifer. Some of them look pretty damn good. Though you are right there is something a little plastic about them that is off. And they really stick together. They remind me of a school of exotic little fish.

I've never ben so fooled as to take one. It seems hat they only go with Asian punters anyway.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1675228]Nice FR Actionman! Thanks for getting the thread back on track!

I too have been fooled by the "ladies" outside Lucifer. Some of them look pretty damn good. Though you are right there is something a little plastic about them that is off. And they really stick together. They remind me of a school of exotic little fish.

I've never ben so fooled as to take one. It seems hat they only go with Asian punters anyway.[/QUOTE]When you say a little plastic having a Adam apple consider plastic? I hang out outside Lucifer whenever I'm down W. S. For the entertainment to kill time. You see regulars just outside P72 behind the police table, then further down past Sweethearts is the Roo bar (a few good lookers in there too) you have another set of FL.

My observation is the opposite from yours that they only go with Asians. They seem to go more with the Arabs and particularly with the Indians. Not sure Indians are consider Asians? In the past, i use to park my bike on Beach road and walk just to see what is available. What I generally saw was although many to choice from it seem the Indians would always pick the LadyBoys. I once saw the expression on a few girls like they were jealous they weren't getting picked.
I just came away thinking that Indians genetics might have some sugar in their tanks which I know isn't true.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1675304]When you say a little plastic having a Adam apple consider plastic? I hang out outside Lucifer whenever I'm down W. S. For the entertainment to kill time. You see regulars just outside P72 behind the police table, then further down past Sweethearts is the Roo bar (a few good lookers in there too) you have another set of FL.

My observation is the opposite from yours that they only go with Asians. They seem to go more with the Arabs and particularly with the Indians. Not sure Indians are consider Asians? In the past, i use to park my bike on Beach road and walk just to see what is available. What I generally saw was although many to choice from it seem the Indians would always pick the LadyBoys. I once saw the expression on a few girls like they were jealous they weren't getting picked.
I just came away thinking that Indians genetics might have some sugar in their tanks which I know isn't true.[/QUOTE]LOL that's harsh. While I saw several Indians approach the people of plastic, it was mostly the Arabs (perhaps Turks) who picked them up for boom. Didn't see any Asians or Indians actually pick them.

Its good to hear that some working girls are jealous of the fact that some Indians prefer taking LBs over regular street walkers, perhaps that won't be the case if they were willing to accept a better price. Who knows?

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1675315]LOL that's harsh. While I saw several Indians approach the people of plastic, it was mostly the Arabs (perhaps Turks) who picked them up for boom. Didn't see any Asians or Indians actually pick them.

Its good to hear that some working girls are jealous of the fact that some Indians prefer taking LBs over regular street walkers, perhaps that won't be the case if they were willing to accept a better price. Who knows?[/QUOTE]Didn't mean to be harsh sorry! You are correct I do see more Arabs than the Indians particularly on W. S. And honestly I haven't been on Beach road for some time. But when I did I saw lots of Indians negotiating with the LB'S, plus many of the stories or robberies in Pattaya were reported by Indians being drugged and robbed in their hotels by them. Haven't read any lately on the local expats papers.

I use the walk way that is right where P72, is located, if you walk up that Soi which leads to 2nd Road, there is the White Rose 1&2, I see lots of Indians staying here going in and out with LB and regular FL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1674484]The location of OZO is OK. Bars on Second Road and LK Metro are at walking distance. Walking Street is a bit further away but not really far, you can either walk all the way (15 min.) or walk to Beach Road and take a bath bus from there.

If you print out the hotel's address, preferably in Thai, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find. Try to find a driver from Pattaya in the arrival hall who has just dropped of a customer. He will be happy to drive you for about 1000 to 1200 bath. But please negotiate and ask if the highway tolls are included or not!

Alternatively you can arrange a taxi in advance. There are several email addresses mentioned on this forum of reliable drivers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip Mogwai. I'll look for a driver from Pattaya. I also see that you are in Phnom Penh. After 10 days in Pattaya I am heading there as well next month for a few days.

Really excited for this trip. My only mongering experience has been Sosua which is really such a small area. Pattaya has so many streets and venues it seems like a daunting task to take it all in.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1675304]When you say a little plastic having a Adam apple consider plastic? I hang out outside Lucifer whenever I'm down W. S. For the entertainment to kill time. You see regulars just outside P72 behind the police table, then further down past Sweethearts is the Roo bar (a few good lookers in there too) you have another set of FL.

My observation is the opposite from yours that they only go with Asians. They seem to go more with the Arabs and particularly with the Indians. Not sure Indians are consider Asians? In the past, i use to park my bike on Beach road and walk just to see what is available. What I generally saw was although many to choice from it seem the Indians would always pick the LadyBoys. I once saw the expression on a few girls like they were jealous they weren't getting picked.
I just came away thinking that Indians genetics might have some sugar in their tanks which I know isn't true.[/QUOTE]Maybe we are not talking about the same ones.

These girls pretty much shun all non -Asian punters. When they do see Asian guys they go crazy trying to wave them over.

They are very young looking and not a whole lot of hints that they are LBs (Adam's apple etc.) Also not outrageously feminine like the LBs that hang out down the road opposite I-bar.

In fact I'm still not 100% sure they are LBs.

Admittedly this observation is mostly form August, But I do remember passing them in January too on my way to I-bar.

I don't understand why there is so much going on about Indians. I have had the best of the time in Pattaya despite being the traditionally un-gifted one as perceived by most in the forum. I have never needed another man to score with the best of the chicks. Insomnia and Mixx were familiar hunting grounds and I haven't returned empty handed, ever! So deal with it and make peace with what we have. Its an open playground and lets all hope that the best man wins. Period!

Most of my opinions and comments reflect and are the result of me being a tourist in town for a few days only, only a few basic words of Thai spoken.

It was my third time in Pattaya, 4 days and nights including New Year's Eve: due to the festive season prices were up, but so was the excitement level!

My main source of p4p action was the gogo bars, with a surgical dash of soi 6 and Devils Den in the afternoon.


[size=4][red]the gogo bars of Walking St[/red][/size]
Once again: Wow!

[b]AIRPORT CLUB[/b]
In such a small place sometimes its just a matter of timing, but the quality of the girls has gone downhill compared to my two previous trips.

[b]ALCATRAZ[/b]
Once again totally baffled by its lack of girls on stage and around: venue wise it would seem to have a lot of potential. Picked one here (very late into the night) at 1,500+3,000 long-time.

[b]BACCARA[/b]
Still rocking, even more of a Japanese hunting ground, to the point of putting westerners off, but pretty, long legged, toned beauties in amazing numbers.

[b]CASNOVY[/b]
Hot girls, high but not crazy prices, super cool mamasan, and the bar with the best layout . Picked one here at the very strange price of 2,500+2,500 baht, Im not sure if it was some kind of special agreement due to my good standing with the mamasan, and I didnt ask. The total was in the Happy/Baccara range so within my self-imposed spending limits.

[b]FAHRENHEIT[/b]
Middle of the road, one of those venues where either you bump into the right girl or you leave after 10 minutes.

[b]GINZA[/b]
Small and narrow: poor layout and quite uncomfortable seating.

[b]GLASSHOUSE[/b]
Very hot girls, but the most expensive gogo of them all: 3 days before New Year I was quoted 2.000 for bar-fine and 8.000 for long-time.

[b]HAPPY[/b]
Third time in Pattaya and third time I selected a girl from this gogo: in my humble opinion it strikes the best balance of venue layout, girls beauty, girls attention to customers, quality of sex service, and price. Always unfailingly packed. Paid 1,500 (I think) + 4,000 long time.

[b]MANDARIN[/b]
A very small bar, and the below average ladies coupled with their resigned body language made it my least favorite gogo of this trip.

[b]SENSATIONS[/b]
Super hot girls, and I liked the way it was run by the military minded mamasans, but too expensive for my pockets.

[b]SPANKYS[/b]
Not enough customers, not enough pretty girls.

[b]SUPER BABY[/b]
At the time of my only visit every single stool around the stage was empty.

[b]THE MOON CLUB[/b]
During my last visit it had barely open and I liked it immensely, but this time around it lacked quality girls, patrons, and therefore any kind of atmosphere.

[b]THE SEA[/b]
Not enough customers, not enough pretty girls


[size=4][red]soi 6[/red][/size]
As fun as ever, especially between 7 and 10pm.
I can confirm the 1.000 + 300 baht fixed prices, which, if you find what youre looking for, even with the increased price its still a bargain for roughly one hour of fun with a motivated girl.
Appearance-wise, anyone whos been there at least once knows you do not hunt for beauty: if in your book shes a 6,5/10 its more than enough.
Language-wise, if she can understand the question whats your name? its more than enough.
So what should you look for? Whatever might not be on offer with a gogo girl, namely deepthroat, anal, cim whatever kinky practice (without going into Devils Den territory) rocks your boat.


[size=4][red]Devils Den[/red][/size]
New website: [url]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/url]
As per my previous experiences, a good time will be had if you show up with some plan of what you want to do and/or be done to you.
This time my ladies, booked in advance, were Cory (an incredibly hard pair of gluteus muscles, like stone really) and Cake (tireless in her bj pumping action).
The price for the standard 1,5 hours has gone up 400 baht, from 3,600 to 4,000. I tipped them both 200, I think.


[size=4][red]the gogo bars of soi LK Metro[/red][/size]
The venues, being generally newer than their Walking St counterparts, are nicer looking, the average quality of the girls is about the same, but compared to Walking St there are in my opinion two downsides:
- no bar with top quality girls
- being (still) limited in number, you can do all the gogos in one evening
Also, some of us prefer the relative quiet and discretion of this area compared to WS, but in my case the first is a negative and the second I dont care about.
Still, I selected one lady at 1,500+4,000 long time.


[size=3][red]HOTEL[/red][/size]
[url]http://www.baywalkresidencepattaya.com[/url]
My trusted Mercure was fully booked, so after a some research I opted for [b]Baywalk Residence[/b], which:
- is girlfriendly
- is located on the Beach Road, close enough to Walking St that theres no need of transportation
- has an in-room private safe and wi-fi
- has staff that answered very quickly to my mails at the time of booking.
In the [i]Pattaya hotels[/i] thread I posted some pics:
[post]1675421[/post].


[size=3][red]PHOTOS and VIDEO[/red][/size]
In the [i]photo gallery[/i] thread I posted a few more girls pics: [post]1675433[/post].

Also, I made a little video of my stay, basic stuff:
YouTube - [url]http://youtu.be/9aYoAtCfP-4[/url]
Vimeo - [url]https://vimeo.com/118051162[/url] (the password is Ryo Saeba)
Theres no sex and only a couple of nude photos, but I decided not to list it and disabled the comments: hopefully this way it wont attract unwanted attention and never get canceled.


[i][b]As always, a big THANK YOU goes to all the brothers who posted good info during the years[/b][/i]

Ryo

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1675315]LOL that's harsh. While I saw several Indians approach the people of plastic, it was mostly the Arabs (perhaps Turks) who picked them up for boom. Didn't see any Asians or Indians actually pick them.

Its good to hear that some working girls are jealous of the fact that some Indians prefer taking LBs over regular street walkers, perhaps that won't be the case if they were willing to accept a better price. Who knows?[/QUOTE]Curious, what would be a better price? Also what is the group rate I see you guys try for on Beach Rd?

[QUOTE=RyoSaeba;1675494]Most of my opinions and comments reflect and are the result of me being a tourist in town for a few days only, only a few basic words of Thai spoken.

It was my third time in Pattaya, 4 days and nights including New Year's Eve: due to the festive season prices were up, but so was the excitement level!

[/QUOTE]Great report Ryo. The video brought back good memories. I was up on the 16th floor bar at the Hilton for NYE with my regular. It was nice to also see some video of what things were like down at the pier during the fireworks show. Good times!

I 100% agree with you on airport. That place used to be so much fun! Now I don't even bother going in. As for Casnovy, I have to admit I always thought it was a LB bar (though I never went inside). I seem to remember LBs hanging out outside. But maybe my memory fails me. I will have to check it out next trip.

Thanks again and stay horny my friend (Your Breakfast of Champions will almost guarantee that. LOL)!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1675678]I 100% agree with you on airport. That place used to be so much fun! Now I don't even bother going in. As for Casnovy, I have to admit I always thought it was a LB bar (though I never went inside). I seem to remember LBs hanging out outside. But maybe my memory fails me. I will have to check it out next trip.
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Although Airport has indeed gone down a bit it's still one of the better agogo's in my experience.
I didn't like Casnovy although I admit I have only been there once. Not a good line up at that moment and the rotation of the girls on stage was way to low.

Anyway, it's all a matter of being at the right place at the right time. If you go to an agogo early in the evening, say 8 PM, you might see a terrific line up because all the girls are still there. If you go to the same agogo around 10 or 11 PM the best looking girls might be barfined and the remaining line up is poor. So never judge a gogo based on one visit only.

And as for LBs: except for one time in the Rhino Agogo I have never seen a LB in any agogo in Pattaya. Not on stage as a dancer anyway. Sometimes there's a LB 'waitress' but that's all I've seen.
But I could be wrong. We all know how they can fool you.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1675670]Curious, what would be a better price? Also what is the group rate I see you guys try for on Beach Rd?[/QUOTE]Better price for a street walker would be the rate at which she gets a customer (read demand and supply), and in no way is 2000ST justifiable for a SW.

If you want to know what is the going group rate why not try and approach a group of Indians on beach road, they will be happy to explain it to you (or can we only take racist pot shots on a virtual forum or indulge in bizzarre generalisations).

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1675678]
...As for Casnovy, I have to admit I always thought it was a LB bar (though I never went inside). ....[/QUOTE]I thought the same, hmm. Never been inside the Go Go personally.

Terrific FR Bro. As Uncle V rightly said, its a great report with nice video too.

Airport gogo used to be one of the best, I guess its dipping as reported by many. May be on a given day, it could turn out lucky for some punters.

Never seen an LB in go go, but not sure what all could happen in Pattaya. This is Thailand. LOL.

Cheers and stay horny all my dear bros.

[QUOTE=RyoSaeba;1675494]Most of my opinions and comments reflect and are the result of me being a tourist in town for a few days only, only a few basic words of Thai spoken.

It was my third time in Pattaya, 4 days and nights including New Year's Eve: due to the festive season prices were up, but so was the excitement level!

My main source of p4p action was the gogo bars, with a surgical dash of soi 6 and Devils Den in the afternoon.

Ryo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1675678]As for Casnovy, I have to admit I always thought it was a LB bar (though I never went inside).[/QUOTE]Me three. I'm kind of thinking it is the name of some LB gogo in Nana Entertainment Plaza and I just automatically associated the two.

[QUOTE=RyoSaeba;1675494]
Once again: Wow! [/QUOTE]Been to Pattaya since 2005, over twenty times, and I have never seen WS that packed. Who could possibly enjoys themselves in that mob, with thru the roof prices!

I have been to Pattaya a number of times over the past 3 years, but their is something I am not too sure about. What is the deal with the Russian girls that wonder up and down Walking Street? Are these girls working girls and if so how can you tell? Has anybody had any experience with them?

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1675943]I have been to Pattaya a number of times over the past 3 years, but their is something I am not too sure about. What is the deal with the Russian girls that wonder up and down Walking Street? Are these girls working girls and if so how can you tell? Has anybody had any experience with them?[/QUOTE]If they are not touts for the Russian clubs catering to men attracted to Caucasians, these clubs do a very good job at separating said individuals from their money for no return. Occasionally they may run a game of promises and tease that ends with an ever more abrupt money separation, although that is more a Patong specialty.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1675954]T

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They are touts for the Russian clubs catering to men attracted to Caucasians, these clubs do a very good job at separating said individuals from their money for no return. Occasionally they may run a game of promises and tease that ends with an ever more abrupt money separation, although that is more a Patong specialty.[/QUOTE]As the saying goes; "Why go to a steak restaurant and order fish?

I stopped in one of the Russian go-go clubs on WS a few years ago and it was a total waste of time and money. It reminded me of the old "fish bars" when I was stationed in Germany; they lure you in and sap every baht off of you that they can, with nothing in return.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1675943]I have been to Pattaya a number of times over the past 3 years, but their is something I am not too sure about. What is the deal with the Russian girls that wonder up and down Walking Street? Are these girls working girls and if so how can you tell? Has anybody had any experience with them?[/QUOTE]If they are walking up and down the street then I suppose they are just tourists. Most of the time accompanied by boy friends so I wouldn't approach them if I were you.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1675695]Better price for a street walker would be the rate at which she gets a customer (read demand and supply), and in no way is 2000ST justifiable for a SW.

If you want to know what is the going group rate why not try and approach a group of Indians on beach road, they will be happy to explain it to you (or can we only take racist pot shots on a virtual forum or indulge in bizzarre generalisations).[/QUOTE]What I cannot get my head around is how someone can take a man or a lady to there room dependent on price. This is incomprehensible to me. Is this a cultural thing or something to do with homosexualism or just being bi? I'm dumbfounded by this.

I felt the Russian gogo bars are a waste of money. Visited a exclusive msg parlor near 2nd Pattaya Road. I had the best of the best time, for RMB 4000.

Would love to visit again.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1676134]What I cannot get my head around is how someone can take a man or a lady to there room dependent on price. This is incomprehensible to me. Is this a cultural thing or something to do with homosexualism or just being bi? I'm dumbfounded by this.[/QUOTE]Can you rephrase this? Or am I the only one who doesn't understand what you're saying?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1676194]Can you rephrase this? Or am I the only one who doesn't understand what you're saying?[/QUOTE]It's incomprehensible indeed. What I think he means is that negotiating with a girl (or guy) is wrong, if you like a girl that should just be enough and one should be ready to fork out whatever is demanded.

Hi guys. This is a long report with a lot of detail. I really write these for my own enjoyment and to preserve the good memories. Myself I love reading the epic odysseys of Natty Bumpo or the philosophical musings of long departed Kumbu (where art thou? we miss you! But if long and detailed FRs are not your cup of tea you should probably skip these.

Pattaya Day 1: 12/29/14 Coming up Empty in High Season.

After an overnight flight and a quick Taxi ride form the airport (Thanks Mr Virach!) I arrived in Pattaya late in the afternoon. Smooth check in at City Garden condo with very nice and friendly staff. I had lucked out with a great 1 BR apartment. Modern furnishings, nice full kitchen and living room. No view but more than compensated by the extra space. And I was right in the middle of all the action, while still being far enough removed to get away from the hustle and bustle. I think I will make City Garden my new go to accommodation destination in Patts.

Shower and quick bite to eat at Kiss diner. I also stopped to get provisions at the International Grocery store (sorry can't remember the exact name) on the first floor of the Avenue shopping complex. A little pricey but a great selection of European and US product. I can see this place being a great resource for anyone that is in town for a longer period of time.

Like the dumbass procrastinator that I am I had not finished all the work projects that I had to have done by the end of the year so I had to devote a few hours to work. By 11 PM I was ready to hit the town.

I was in touch with my regular, Gaew, and we had plans to spend NYE together. I had suggested to her without saying it literally that I was arriving in Patts on the 31st. So this gave me two nights to explore and meet new girls. The plan was to walk up BR and check out the scene there, as I headed to I-bar. In all of my precious trips I have always stayed in Jomtien and I have never had a chance to take a girl from BR. So popping my BR cherry was a goal for the trip.

As reported in the forum BR was still dominated by the dumb ass shopping stalls. But some girls were setting up shop across the street. On the steps in front of closed shops and banks or in front of 7-11. Basically wherever they could hang out naturally. One very cute girl gave me a nice long look, but I did nto approach her as I was holding out for better. Quality was not all that good though there were a few good ones. I interviewed one young spinner who had set up shop on her motorbike, but the chemistry wasn't there so I passed. I decided to double back to talk to cute girl but she was gone. Someone must have picked her up. Damn you have to act fast in high season!

I finally got to WS and it was a complete madhouse. Super crowded and just overwhelmed with tourists and punters. I didn;'t even consider popping into a gogo as they all looked super crowded. So I made my way to I-bar. A tried and true hunting ground where I have had amazing luck in the past.

I-bar was super crowded. But low and behold, just as I walked in I spotted my girl Jiang form my last trip sitting at one of the tables with her friends. She seemed happy to see me and gave me a nice hug and peck on the cheek. She was looking fine as ever and I was happy to see her too. But (stupidly) I was hoping to score a new girl on my first night. I excused myself and told her that I was going to the bad to get a drink, but that I'the be back.

I cased the joint just to do some recon. There were around 4-5 girls there that I wanted, but many of them were hanging out in larger groups of girls and guys and seemed difficult to approach. And the place was just packed with dudes. Most of them younger guys with faux hawks and tacky tattoos. Yes the Douchebag convention was in town.

I decided to double back and talk to Jiang but another punter had beat me to it. Damn! At least he wasn't a faux hawk douchie, but looked like a reasonable dude. I hovered around and talked with some other chicks, glancing over to check if Jiang was still engaged with this dude. They weren't making out or going at it the way I had done with her during our first meeting. Btu he was holding her hand. I saw the writing on the wall that this was a lost cause. I was learning the hard way that you don't pass up a sure thing in high season!

(P.S.: I am attaching her pic below. Perhaps the guy that beat me to the punch was one of the esteemed members of this board. If so I'the love to share notes on this little hottie.).

I talked to a few more girls but did not seem to click with any of them. Most of them were partying in mix-gender groups and it was really hard to break in as a single guy. If only I had a wingman! I was beginning in to feel a little self-conscious as the "sex tourist" lone wolf type. I know it's silly I mean why the hell else do people come to Pattaya. But it shaken confidence can happen to the best of us.

So I called it quits and checked out I-bar. Normally this is my first stop but I had avoided it as it was oen of my regular's haunts. But I remember her telling me she was having her "blooding" so I figured that she may not be there that night. And she wasn't. Which was good.

But unfortunately neither was anyone else that I would consider shagging. So I bounced without even having a beer.

WS was still a madhouse so I decided to grab a songtaw and head on over to LK Metro. It was getting late and I did not have much time left to score. The first girl from my last trip was a gogo girl at Destiny so I thought I might as well have a look. The scene there was good. Not crowded and a pretty good selection. I found two girls on stage that I thought were pretty hot. One in particular grabbed my fancy. She had a nice tight body with just enough curves. I started making eye contact with her and pretty soon she made the hand sign suggesting that she come and have a drink with me. I signed back that I wanted her to take off her top first so I could get a look at her boobs. LOL. She laughed. This playful banter went on for a little while and then she finally took off her top. Very nice natural be-cups. Bingo! I motioned her over right away and we got a drink.

We went through the usual chit chat and snuggled a bit. She was very receptive to my cuddling and caressing. She was also pretty drunk. We had a nice rapport going and soon were making out. I unhooked her bra and got my hands on those lovely boobies. They were velvety smooth to the touch and just felt wonderful in my hands.

I was ready to BF and was shocked when she quoted 1500 BF and 4000 LT. WTF! This girls was cute but 5500 was just way too much for her. I tried to talk her down but to no avail. The place was going to close soon and I suggested that we meet up a t a Disco later. At first she was down, but changed her mind when I struggled to set a time and place (I was feeling a little drunk and tired too). The management came over as it was already 3 AM and time to leave. I showed resolve and stuck to my decision not to BF. I thought about waiting outside and catch her with a proposal on her way out of the bar. But in the end decided against it as this is very bad form.

Stupidly I had not taken my phone with me (I had to leave it home to charge) so I couldn't get her number. Btu I figured that I could always go back to Destiny to see her again. I never did. Nor did this thought of doing so cross my mind the rest of the trip. There are just so many great options here. God bless this town.

I went home alone and a little disappointed. High season is a CAPITAL B! Still I had a good time making out and fondling the cute destiny girl. So the night was not a total loss. I wasn't too worried. I've had past Patts trips that started slow like this but they always ended with a bang. Sometimes it takes a day or two to get your Mojo. And I definitely needed to adjust my FL game to the realities of High Season. You can't afford to be picky and you have to strike fast when you see something you like.

I went to bed restless, but confident that I'the see my luck turn around in the next few days.

Stay tuned for the next episode when Uncle-V goes back to the well and draws water 3 times!

And stay horny my friends!

You-V.

Day 2 December 30, Back to the Well.

I woke up around noon the next day, had my coffee, ran out to get some Thai food, and went back to work. I still had the damn projects to finish by Jan 31. I was kicking myself for not getting this done before my vacation as it was putting a damper on the first few days of the trip. Will I ever learn? Jesus My procrastinating ass has been doing the same damn shit since the 3rd grade -- LOL.

I spent the rest of the afternoon and evening working. I did take a short break around 5 to go over to the Hilton and reserve our tickets for the NYE party they had at the Drift bar on the 16th floor. I guess I could have reserved over the phone but I wanted to get a good look at the venue. The terrace has an amazing view and I was lucky enough book the last table on the outside terrace. It was 3250 per person all you can drink. I don't think that's such a bad deal considering the venue and the quality booze they poured.

I finished work around 11:30, and had one of the projects done and sent off, leaving just a little bit of editing to do to finish project #2. What a relief! My plan was to check out BR again and then take another crack at the FL scene in I-bar. High season be damned!

I hit I-bar after midnight. I was on the lookout for Jiang but she was nowhere to be found. The bastard form the night before must have booked her for the rest of the holiday. Smart move! I was kicking myself for not making the move the night before. I miss her rocking body and the way she let me CIM.

It was even more crowded with douches and an even bigger ration than the night before. But I was determined to soldier on and approached a few chicks. I was getting the welcome look form the ones I really didn't want and the cold shoulder from the ones that I did. I even went upstairs to give Insomnia a crack (I usually avoid it as I hate electronic music) but with similar results. After about an hour and a couple of beers I gave up. High Season was proving to be a steep learning curve!

I decided to give Red Car a try hoping I would not run into my regular. And the spot was rocking with cute girls better than I think I have ever seen it! Unfortunately guess who I ran into just as I rounded the bar on my first recon swoop but my cute little Gaew. She gave me a look of exasperation and disappointment. I told her that I had come early to "surprise her" and bought her and her friend a couple of rounds of B52's and beers to smooth things over. She seemed to buy the story and soon we were making out passionately in the corner. I think she was genuinely happy to see me. She even rubbed my dick, which is not typical of her as she is always sweet and demure in public.

And though running into her had thrown a monkey wrench in my plans I was very happy to see her. She is one of the sweetest and affectionate girls I know and she was looking damn fine. I was even happier when she told me she was off her period. So after one last round we bid her friend adieu and made for home.

We were famished and along the way we stopped for a bite at trusted Kiss Foods. I had an excellent green curry and she ordered a delicious grilled fish. Surprisingly good and super convenient and cheap. I love that place.

We started going at it the minute we got back to the condo, picking up right where we left off during the summer. After a quick shower we were in bed naked. She stared me off with an great BJ. I'the bene dreaming about her giving me head for months but I'the forgotten just how good she is. Soft wet and deep with the perfect amount of suction and ball play. And she can go at it forever without stopping.

After about 20 minutes of utter bliss I knew I'the either pop or need to slow things down. I slipped a condom on an entered her in mish, showering her pretty little face with appreciative kisses the whole time. I then moved her into doggy and began pounding against that nice little ass of her. We finally ended up with her on top in cowgirl, and at this point she came, very hard, collapsing against my chest. After a minute's rest she slid down to my crotch and began giving me some furious head, bobbing her head up and down in a frenzy until came in her willing mouth. What a reunion! She ran off to the bathroom to spit it out but came right back to cuddle and we fell asleep holding each other tight.

I woke up a few hours later horny as hell, admiring the pretty young girl besides me. She was still fast asleep but responsive to my caresses. I checked her pussy and it was already nice and wet. So I put on a condom, spread her legs and entered her in mish. She was still half asleep but she had a bid smile on her face. The pumping go more and more furious and we tried several positions. I really wanted her to come again but she said she couldn't because she could only come once a night. Hearing this I stopped holding back and worked myself up to an orgasm as I pumped in and out of her in doggy.

We cuddled a bit afterwards and she went back to sleep. She's a real night owl and doesn't ever get up before 2 PM. Even noon is early for her LOL! I go out to f bed to make some coffee, answer emails, and get back to finishing the stupid work project. But after last night and this morning I definitely had a pep in my step. LOL!

I went to check on her about an hour later and she woke up. I forgot that I had brought some presents for her. In our IMs I had asked her what she wanted me to buy and she said a car. So now I had a little red 50's convertible matchbox car for her just like the real life car ah things on the wall outside Red Car. She laughed and then was almost on the verge of tears (of gratitude) when I gave her her real present a big bottle of Anna Sui perfume.

She started kissing me and we went at it a third time. This time I think she came. She finished me off just as she had the night before. With a furious BJ and me popping in her mouth. Afterwards she joked that we always did 3 times and that her friends were amazed when she told them this. LOL. I would later tease her by demanding that we have sex 3 times saying "after all it would not be nice if you lie to your friends. " LOL.

She left at around 2 PM to go home and get ready for the evening's festivities. We had agreed to meet at the condo at 7 PM and get dinner before going to the Hilton to await the New Year. I still had work to do and a deadline to meet and had just left myself enough time to get everything done.

Running into her was not part of my plan. I had hoped to get a few days of mongering in and meet some new girls before hangn out with her New Years. But in the end I was really happy with the way things had turned out. Sex with her is always great and this was just what I needed to get my confidence back up and restore my faith in Pattaya. A thirsty man I had gone back to the well for three long drinks and I now felt replenished and ready for any challenge that Pattaya has to bring forward.

Stay tuned for the next episode where Uncle V and his Regular celebrate New Years in Style and Uncle V starts off the 2015 Mongering Season with a tasty treat from BR.

And stay horny my finds.

Uncle-V.

Good stuff Uncle V, thanks for diligently reporting. Two down, several more days to go, so more reports coming our way. Looking forward to them. Cheers.

Hey Uncle V.

You said well about working the disco's and bars when alone (smile). Even more boring when one, like myself, doesn't drink.

There are times when one thinks is not worth it. Just to be rewarded with the occasional good find. Well, as a Thai woman said once in regard to watching football on TV, "better than nothing"!

Yesterday have worked the classic places again with no luck. There was a very beautiful, totally exotic looking one at Marine, but I did't approach, later seen her sitting with an unremarkable guy. Perhaps next time. The next in line, a spinner of kind of chinese looks, wanted only ST and probably 2 K, I passed. Moved to Mixx, very few women, the only one under 65 Kg wasn't coming with a working brain, so I called it a night.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1676586]Hey Uncle V.

You said well about working the disco's and bars when alone (smile). Even more boring when one, like myself, doesn't drink.

There are times when one thinks is not worth it. Just to be rewarded with the occasional good find. Well, as a Thai woman said once in regard to watching football on TV, "better than nothing"!

Yesterday have worked the classic places again with no luck. There was a very beautiful, totally exotic looking one at Marine, but I did't approach, later seen her sitting with an unremarkable guy. Perhaps next time. The next in line, a spinner of kind of chinese looks, wanted only ST and probably 2 K, I passed. Moved to Mixx, very few women, the only one under 65 Kg wasn't coming with a working brain, so I called it a night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comments ONG.

I think the #1 difference between FL hunting in low and high season is that you can't hesitate and need to move fast when you see someone that appeals to you. I had much better luck when I went out with this mindset.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

PS: And yes it can suck going it alone. We should be eachothers wings next time we are both in town. ;)

[QUOTE=RyoSaeba;1675494]Most of my opinions and comments reflect and are the result of me being a tourist in town for a few days only, only a few basic words of Thai spoken.

Ryo[/QUOTE]Excellent video. Well done sir.

After all this talk about lowered quality, I decided to start my evening directly at Sensations to see if I could still pull a hot chick out of a go-go bar and have good sex with her. As you get in, you walk past a bunch of girls who are waiting to get on stage. One of them peeled off her table and tried to put her hooks on me. I smiled and said I was just here to have a beer, then I made sure I got a seat without her. I thought that was a bit abrupt for my taste.

First set of girls dancing, nobody caught my eye. There were even some fat ones. Have they no shame wiggling their folds? Then after a while, some new ones came up, and I immediately noticed one in fishnet stockings. She was the only one like that. I thought that was sexy. She was skinny, 41 kilos for 1 m55, about 25 years old, fairly white skin. I caught her eye and hand-signaled her to come sit next to me have a drink, but she just smiled and kept on dancing.

I looked at her again a few times, but she was still ignoring me, and I felt I was starting to come across as desperate, so I tried reverse psychology and concentrated my attention on the other girls, not looking in her direction once. Sure enough, she popped out of nowhere and said Hello, even though her turn to dance was not finished. The games you've got to play with those girls!

Turned out her name was Cara and her wristband said #38. She said she was a Coyote, and her lady drink was printed as a Coyote Drink on the bill. Her English was really good. She had to leave Pattaya before 3 am to catch a taxi and be back in Bangkok before 6 am. Since she had no visible means of support, I assume the boyfriend who pays her rent was coming back in town. Poor guy probably has no clue she's been banging horny strangers like me behind his back.

On the positive side, her extra-curricular activities are for a worthy cause: to get fake tits. I felt it was my duty to chip in, so I barfined her at 1500 THB. She asked 3000 for short time, which I thought was a bit steep, but she was really beautiful, and I don't get a free night in Pattaya often enough, so what the heck. Sex was really good. She had an amazing body, and we had a good connection. I'm not saying it was the best bang for the buck, but life is too short to bang girls who are not stunners.

The good thing about not shopping around for the best possible deal is that I managed to keep it a three-beer, 1:30 am in bed kind of night, including some good live rock-and-roll at the Hot Tuna Bar. My liver is thankful.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1676917] I'm not saying it was the best bang for the buck, but life is too short to bang girls who are not stunners.[/QUOTE]I take a stunner from an agogo as well every now and then. I do not look for stunners all the time. I'm looking for nice girls and they might just as well be average or even below average looking. Nice girls often give you a better time than stunners.

It's nice if a woman is beautiful but she's more beautiful if she's nice.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1676917]She had to leave Pattaya before 3 am to catch a taxi and be back in Bangkok before 6 am. Since she had no visible means of support, I assume the boyfriend who pays her rent was coming back in town. Poor guy probably has no clue she's been banging horny strangers like me behind his back.[/QUOTE]Normally the "have to go Bangkok early" story is made to shorten or enforce a girl's terms on time spent with a customer, there are many variations, another classic is "my sister lost key room" call. You can prove me wrong going back at the go-go today. Also, nowadays is much harder for a girl to fool a sponsor, because of free video calling at any time. The girls of course still exploit fools, but have to do it differently.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1677060]Normally the "have to go Bangkok early" story is made to shorten or enforce a girl's terms on time spent with a customer, there are many variations, another classic is "my sister lost key room" call. You can prove me wrong going back at the go-go today. Also, nowadays is much harder for a girl to fool a sponsor, because of free video calling at any time. The girls of course still exploit fools, but have to do it differently.[/QUOTE]OLG,

Why you got to bust his bubble?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1676917]I barfined her at 1500 THB. She asked 3000 for short time... so what the heck. [/QUOTE]Dear god almighty! 4500 baht for one shot with a Pattaya bargirl, and then, she did a semi-runner. I don't care if she was a 20-year-old Angelina Jolie lookalike, it's still way over the top.

After so many years of decent 500-1000 baht poon (all-in), this makes me want to jump right off the hotel balcony. Fortunately, I'm on the second floor.

I had a strange incidence in 2014 which I am not sure is possible in Pattaya but thought you senior members may have better idea if such things are known to happen.

I was with a friend of mine, landed in Bangkok at noon, took a shuttle to Pattaya, arrived at Hotel on BR, showered and headed to BR around 7 PM. I took him straight to WS in a baht bus as this was his first visit to Pattaya. He had 2 drinks, I had none and I am sure we were as level headed as possible. Took a quick stroll in WS, may be 30-40 minutes, didn't really talk to any girl, started walking back on BR around 7. 45 - 8 PM.

We saw few girls, did the round of BR, took baht bus back and walked again. He selected a girl so I reluctantly agreed, reached hotel, he made out a bit while I showered again and then he went to washroom for undressing or something like that. The girl was not the best of the best but not bad either. Seemed co-operative but not too slutty or hardened or enthu either. Anyways my friend comes back and I right away remarked that you have a streak of blood across his neck on right hand side. Not major, more like one gets while squashing a mosquito. He checked in mirror and said, damn, someone snatched my gold chain.

We had no physical proximity to anyone on WS or BR by this time, did not visit any dark clubs etc. And I don't think the girl could have used her fingers so fast in 2-3 minutes she was with my friend while I was in washroom. It cast a shadow on our trip which otherwise was awesome, even sex with that girl was not bad at all.

So what do you guys think? Is it possible someone did manage to remove his chain while we walking on WS which was not terribly busy?

Are such incidents known to happen at all on BR or WS or in rooms with WGs.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1677301]

So what do you guys think? Is it possible someone did manage to remove his chain while we walking on WS which was not terribly busy?

Are such incidents known to happen at all on BR or WS or in rooms with WGs.[/QUOTE]Yes and yes. Gold necklace snatching is a Thai national sport, especially in Pattaya where we read about it in the new papers almost every day.

Hope he learned his lesson. Never wear gold necklaces or any kind of expensive jewelry while mongering in Thailand; don't carry large amounts of cash on your person; always watch out for pickpockets on baht busses; don't trust hookers to ever be alone in your room; keep your valuables in a safe; don't wander around drunk on WS, BR, or any where else in Pattaya, especially late at night.

It is amazing to me that in 2014-2015 anybody would walk around in a foreign country wearing a gold chain. Always carry only what you are willing to lose.

[QUOTE=Allover;1677346]It is amazing to me that in 2014-2015 anybody would walk around in a foreign country wearing a gold chain. Always carry only what you are willing to lose.[/QUOTE]Maybe they're willing to lose their gold chains as there's so many chain snatching stories in Pattaya that some of them can't be real. Some are insurance scams similar to some robberies and other fake crime stories. There was a recent story where a fake victim recanted his robbery story during a police interview and told the police he only did it to file an insurance claim.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1677060]Normally the "have to go Bangkok early" story is made to shorten or enforce a girl's terms on time spent with a customer, there are many variations, another classic is "my sister lost key room" call. You can prove me wrong going back at the go-go today. Also, nowadays is much harder for a girl to fool a sponsor, because of free video calling at any time. The girls of course still exploit fools, but have to do it differently.[/QUOTE]Point well taken and thanks for the info.

For the record, I must say that the 3 am taxi to Bangkok story, whether true or false, came up in the gogo bar before I had decided to barfine her. I only ever do short-time anyway, so that constraint was irrelevant for me because there was plenty of time left until 3 am to complete a standard-duration short-time.

Actually, after we finished she seemed at a loss how to pass the time until 3 am. Having got what I wanted from her, I had absolutely zero intention of hanging around with her anymore, so I just walked off to my music bar and left her to her dilemma. In summary, she did not pull a semi-runner.

Dear all,

Do we have any holiday sex package in Pattaya.

Please PM me for any information.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1677301]

We saw few girls, did the round of BR, took baht bus back and walked again. He selected a girl so I reluctantly agreed, reached hotel, he made out a bit while I showered again and then he went to washroom for undressing or something like that. The girl was not the best of the best but not bad either. Seemed co-operative but not too slutty or hardened or enthu either. Anyways my friend comes back and I right away remarked that you have a streak of blood across his neck on right hand side. Not major, more like one gets while squashing a mosquito. He checked in mirror and said, damn, someone snatched my gold chain.

We had no physical proximity to anyone on WS or BR by this time, did not visit any dark clubs etc. And I don't think the girl could have used her fingers so fast in 2-3 minutes she was with my friend while I was in washroom. It cast a shadow on our trip which otherwise was awesome, even sex with that girl was not bad at all.

[/QUOTE]You make it sound like the both of you did this girl in the same room, is that true? Your comment that your friend selected a girl and you reluctantly agreed, why would you need to agree unless you both were going to take turns?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1677301]
We saw few girls, did the round of BR, took baht bus back and walked again. He selected a girl so I reluctantly agreed, reached hotel, he made out a bit while I showered again and then he went to washroom for undressing or something like that. The girl was not the best of the best but not bad either. Seemed co-operative but not too slutty or hardened or enthu either. Anyways my friend comes back and I right away remarked that you have a streak of blood across his neck on right hand side. Not major, more like one gets while squashing a mosquito. He checked in mirror and said, damn, someone snatched my gold chain.[/QUOTE]How zonked out one can be that you do not realize someone ripped off your gold chain with enough violence to break the skin?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1677301]And I don't think the girl could have used her fingers so fast in [b]2-3 minutes[/b] she was with my friend while I was in washroom.[/QUOTE]Your friend is the King of the short short times

[QUOTE=CallBoy7565;1677615]Dear all,

Do we have any holiday sex package in Pattaya.

Please PM me for any information.

Thanks[/QUOTE]The whole of Pattaya is one big holiday sex package. No need to buy this "off the shelf". Just go there, get a hotel somewhere near the beach, go out and you are in Adult Candyland!

[QUOTE=Breadman;1677665]you both were going to take turns?[/QUOTE]If so, a bad habit really. Why taking turns, time is money! One can also save some water showering together.

[QUOTE=CallBoy7565]In this forum: Do we have any holiday sex package in Pattaya?

In the Pattaya Hotels forum: Where I can find good girls for fun with full night service or full trip service with economical price?

In both forums: Please PM me the details.[/QUOTE]Mr. 7565:

Welcome to the ISG. I'm sure you will find the gentlemen who frequent this web site very knowledgeable and more than willing to send you private messages, since apparently you are too busy and / or important to read previous posts regarding where to stay and where to find girls.

I will get the ball rolling. With respect to lodging at an "economical price," I recommend the Lake Villa Resort. Since you are too busy and / or important to do your own research I took the liberty of checking the rate on Agoda and I see they are offering a rate of 423 baht per night for their "studio" room, which can accommodate yourself and two of your friends. (You are all staying in the same room to save money, correct?) I think you'll enjoy the Lake Villa Resort, mostly for its very convenient location to places where you can "full night service." It's also a short stroll to Walking Street!

http://www.lakevillapattaya.com/index.html

If you are interested in a "holiday sex package" look no further than Soi 6/1. Note well that Soi 6/1 is *not* the same as Soi 6. Soi 6/1 runs parallel to Soi 6, but just a few meters to the south. Anyway, if you take a stroll along Soi 6/1 you will find many "good girls for fun. " And they are not shy about offering you the full "PACKAGE," if you know what I mean! (Ha. Ha.) If you are not familiar with Pattaya, or perhaps you are too busy and / or important to read the reports already posted on ISG, you should know advances in nutrition and health in Thailand in the recent past mean that the "good girls" you will find on Soi 6/1 will be taller than you would expect, with a more "athletic" physique. If you go with them for the "holiday sex PACKAGE" I am sure you will be delighted (and surprised) by the experience.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to PM me as I really enjoy answering queries from guys who are apparently too busy and / or important to read the posts that already exist on the board. And when you visit Pattaya, be sure to post a trip report. The brothers are always interested in learning more about the absolute cheapest place to stay for them and their mates, plus of course the holiday sex packages.

Yours very truly,

Bunky

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1677340]Yes and yes. Gold necklace snatching is a Thai national sport, especially in Pattaya where we read about it in the new papers almost every day.

Hope he learned his lesson. Never wear gold necklaces or any kind of expensive jewelry while mongering in Thailand; don't carry large amounts of cash on your person; always watch out for pickpockets on baht busses; don't trust hookers to ever be alone in your room; keep your valuables in a safe; don't wander around drunk on WS, BR, or any where else in Pattaya, especially late at night.[/QUOTE]I am sure he learnt his lesson indeed although to be fair it was one hell of a hectic day. I never noticed his chain anyways but it did blow me wondering how could anyone remove it so fast and neatly especially when I was perfectly sober but I guess if such incidents are known to happen then better safe than sorry.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1677804]If so, a bad habit really. Why taking turns, time is money! One can also save some water showering together.[/QUOTE]That would leave the girl alone in the room with the gold chain.

[QUOTE=CallBoy7565;1677615]Dear all,

Do we have any holiday sex package in Pattaya.

Please PM me for any information.

Thanks[/QUOTE]To Callboy.

Are you looking for a tour package and a tour guide to help you found girl, I never hear of holiday package or sex tour to Pattaya it is so easy to find actions here even for a blind guy.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=CallBoy7565;1677615]Dear all,

Do we have any holiday sex package in Pattaya.

Please PM me for any information.

Thanks[/QUOTE]About 10-15 years ago, there was a guy out of Hawaii who ran a guided 2-week "sex tour package" to Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket. The cost included transportation and hotel. It was some what similar to FKK Club Tours [URL]http://www.fkktour.com/[/URL].

Unfortunately, "sex tours" that operate within the USA or USA territories are illegal even if the tours are conducted outside USA jurisdiction. The wrath of State, Federal, and internet vigilantes outed him. I don't know if he incurred any criminal penalties, but they went after him vigorously to shut his tours down.

There are "sex tour packages" to Thailand that cater to Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese. There might be others that operate out of other countries like India or Russia.

If you've never traveled solo to a foreign country to monger, it can be intimidating. That being said, Thailand is one of the easiest to navigate without speaking the language.

Read the ISG forums, especially the trip reports. Read other travel forums like the Lonely Planet and / or travel blogs. Do your research. Take notes. Buy city maps before you go (my recommendation are the Groovy Maps) to get oriented.

When you hit the ground in Thailand, if you get confused or need mongering advice, ask a fellow monger. Most guys are willing to give advice if you aren't a jerky or too needy, but be sure you have your "radar on" to keep from being scammed. If your "bullshit" radar goes off, be cautious.

There are some guys who have no common sense or foreign travel skills. If that's you, it might be best to stay home or travel with a legitimate sightseeing tour group to get the "feel" of Thailand. Once you get the "feel" of Thailand, you'll be more comfortable to venture out on your own.

[QUOTE=CallBoy7565;1677615]Dear all,

Do we have any holiday sex package in Pattaya.

Please PM me for any information.

Thanks[/QUOTE]You don't need a sex tour package, as mentioned read some of the reports here. Then Google a map or something and get a view and lay out of Pattaya.

Then just book a room on Soi 6, what is that Brit hotel name now? Got it on the tip of my tongue? You can do you tour there 24/7 up and down that Soi until your dick drop off. Across from Soi 6, on 2nd road you can try a number of Soapy Massages. I had a friend stay there years ago, He basically went out on the balcony and waved the girls to his place. When he got hungry he had room services. Can be a little noisy and stay off Soi 6/1 unless that is your thing.

If you are hungry, there is the Big see, shopping center. You can eat poor or rich, that can be done just off Soi 6, at many of the independent eating places like Big Mac. The road is also line with Beer Bars to check out. To give yourself a break there are a number of Thai massages places and Pharmacies on Soi 6, and 2nd Road.

At night once you feel comfortable, walk down to the Beach Rd, catch a Songthaw for 10 baht, To Walking St. Can't miss it once the Songthaw turns right get off. You will also see a bunch of Beer Bars and if you want some food. Walking pass the Beer Bars down the walkway and there is Beergarden, good and reasonable food and prices. When done walk back up from Beach Road and catch the Songthaw back again 10 Baht.

If you like this area, then rebook your tour in Walking Street, many low and high budget places to stay, and do rest of your tour there.

Good luck,

Queen Victoria.

[QUOTE=Bunky;1677912]Mr. 7565:

Welcome to the ISG. I'm sure you will find the gentlemen who frequent this web site very knowledgeable and more than willing to send you private messages, since apparently you are too busy and / or important to read previous posts regarding where to stay and where to find girls.

I will get the ball rolling. With respect to lodging at an "economical price," I recommend the Lake Villa Resort. Since you are too busy and / or important to do your own research I took the liberty of checking the rate on Agoda and I see they are offering a rate of 423 baht per night for their "studio" room, which can accommodate yourself and two of your friends. (You are all staying in the same room to save money, correct?) I think you'll enjoy the Lake Villa Resort, mostly for its very convenient location to places where you can "full night service." It's also a short stroll to Walking Street!

http://www.lakevillapattaya.com/index.html

If you are interested in a "holiday sex package" look no further than Soi 6/1. Note well that Soi 6/1 is *not* the same as Soi 6. Soi 6/1 runs parallel to Soi 6, but just a few meters to the south. Anyway, if you take a stroll along Soi 6/1 you will find many "good girls for fun. " And they are not shy about offering you the full "PACKAGE," if you know what I mean! (Ha. Ha.) If you are not familiar with Pattaya, or perhaps you are too busy and / or important to read the reports already posted on ISG, you should know advances in nutrition and health in Thailand in the recent past mean that the "good girls" you will find on Soi 6/1 will be taller than you would expect, with a more "athletic" physique. If you go with them for the "holiday sex PACKAGE" I am sure you will be delighted (and surprised) by the experience.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to PM me as I really enjoy answering queries from guys who are apparently too busy and / or important to read the posts that already exist on the board. And when you visit Pattaya, be sure to post a trip report. The brothers are always interested in learning more about the absolute cheapest place to stay for them and their mates, plus of course the holiday sex packages.

Yours very truly,

Bunky[/QUOTE]ROFLMAO.

Nice one, Bunky. Too bad he can't PM.

Walking Street.

You guys weren't kidding about the crowds here. A lot of Asian tourists, I can't tell them apart, but was Chinese and Japanese with the leaders holding flags or a sign or doing the Hitler arm stretch.

I was walking in back of one group only to get entangled with the next one in front of them and all the way through.

Time to have some beers until there was a break in the action.

I talked to a bargirl at Frog's and told me BF was 500 baht for her. Didn't do it.

I walked past Boys Town. Is that a ladyboy area? Or just their cute name for the area?

I saw a lot of women on Beach Road on the beach side of the road. I got really drunk by this time and ended up going to my room at Ozo alone.

Might do a soapy, but which one? Too many massage places and I don't want a legit massage. Suggestions with names?

I see some posts stating the girl spent the night. Is that common for the girls to spend the night or do you state that you what her to stay before hand? Sorry for the newbie question.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1678087]

I walked past Boys Town. Is that a ladyboy area? Or just their cute name for the area?

Might do a soapy, but which one? Too many massage places and I don't want a legit massage. Suggestions with names?[/QUOTE]Boyztown might have a couple of LB bars, but I think it has gay bars / clubs. Have read good reviews on Sabai Dee / Sabai Room. Disclaimer, I haven't yet tried any soapy in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=OfficialKnight;1678215]I see some posts stating the girl spent the night. Is that common for the girls to spend the night or do you state that you what her to stay before hand? Sorry for the newbie question.[/QUOTE]In a GoGo or a bar, the girl will make it clear whether she is going short time (an hour or two) or long time (means the night). With freelancers, typically they go long time, but if you aren't sure, you can always confirm with the girl before sealing the deal.

BTW, it is always up to you. But different prices are applicable in both cases.

[QUOTE=OfficialKnight;1678215]I see some posts stating the girl spent the night. Is that common for the girls to spend the night or do you state that you what her to stay before hand? Sorry for the newbie question.[/QUOTE]Spending the night is commonly called "long time". The usual scenario is two pops before going to sleep and one more after waking up.

Of course it is more expensive than "short time" which is usually one pop only.

And indeed (unless you are an old hand, well-known to the girls) you always want to make certain what you agreed: price, services requested and time.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1678087]W

Might do a soapy, but which one? Too many massage places and I don't want a legit massage. Suggestions with names?[/QUOTE]I tried honey 2 couple times on my visit last year and enjoyed both times. My advise to you thou is to visit all three soapies near Big see and check out their line up. They are all of walking distance to each other.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1678472]I tried honey 2 couple times on my visit last year and enjoyed both times. My advise to you thou is to visit all three soapies near Big see and check out their line up. They are all of walking distance to each other.[/QUOTE]No matter which one you pick, whether it be a soapy, legit or not legit massage, beer bar girl or go go? It is not the establishment it all ends up to be the provider!

Like everything take your time. I would try Sabai first, and if it turns out to be so so or bad, don't give up there, keep your mine open to try again at some point.

As for Non-legit. There are many all over the place, again it is the provider not the establishment! But if you want a greater % of getting what you want. Try Paradise and the place right next door. I've found these two to have the best looking and no LB. Most popular on Soi Honey, They charge 1200? Usually for FS, they do outcalls, and if you play your cards right they will take the day off for ST / LT too.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1678398]Spending the night is commonly called "long time". The usual scenario is two pops before going to sleep and one more after waking up.

Of course it is more expensive than "short time" which is usually one pop only.

And indeed (unless you are an old hand, well-known to the girls) you always want to make certain what you agreed: price, services requested and time.[/QUOTE]Very good advice above. Negotiate price and services before getting to your hotel. My newbie mistake 2 yrs ago was assuming that most girls know the "deal". My first night I had a coyote (I think) and she was fine with 3 shots (2 at night and one in the morning). But then next night I took back a gogo girl and after good chemistry, laughs, fun, 2 shots, she was ready to go and told me for her LT = 2 shots. Awkward, but she was a very nice person and it was my fault for not doing a standard pre-interview.

Heading back to Pattaya in a couple of weeks! Chinese new year coming up. Hope it's not too crowded. Haha.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1678398]Spending the night is commonly called "long time". The usual scenario is two pops before going to sleep and one more after waking up.

Of course it is more expensive than "short time" which is usually one pop only.

And indeed (unless you are an old hand, well-known to the girls) you always want to make certain what you agreed: price, services requested and time.[/QUOTE]Okay thank you. So I'm assuming just to be safe if you want more pops, you should also agree on that before hand?

[QUOTE=OfficialKnight;1678215]I see some posts stating the girl spent the night. Is that common for the girls to spend the night or do you state that you what her to stay before hand? Sorry for the newbie question.[/QUOTE]Seriously?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1678564]Seriously?[/QUOTE]It was a newbie question, I admitted that.

Getting to Pattaya from Bangkok.

While in Bangkok, I see many tours and taxis and stands all offering transportation to Pattaya at the average rate of 1500 baht about $46 USD (32.50 per dollar).

I went from Nana to Ekeimmai Station on the BTS. You can see the bus station from the BTS train. Went to their version of the Greyhound Deport and bought a ticket to Pattaya for 130 baht ($4 USD). In 10 minutes I was boarding the little van with my luggage.

The driver was okay until we got on the above ground freeway, where this guy took off like superman, but then again, everyone was driving crazy. Got to Pattaya North Road bus depot and the driver asked us all where we are going. Most answered Beach Road or Walking St. So he went that way and dripped off each party to their location along Beach Rd.

The buses operate every 30 minutes from Ekimma Station from 8 am to 8 pm according to the driver.

About the way back, I guess I need to get to North Pattaya Rd to the bus depot and last one back to Bangkok is 11 pm according to driver.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1678615]Getting to Pattaya from Bangkok.

While in Bangkok, I see many tours and taxis and stands all offering transportation to Pattaya at the average rate of 1500 baht about $46 USD (32.50 per dollar).

[/QUOTE]Bargaining hard, a taxi to the airport can still be found for Bt 800. Add Bt 100 for tolls one way and that's it.

After going to Sabai Dee and saw the talent and price (2000 and 2400 baht) I headed to Honey 2 Massage just a block away. Prices were 1800 and 2200.

I took a stunner from the 1800 crowd, number 420.

Nice ass, face and body. She was lackluster but she was okay. No BBBJ, she did a CBJ and I didn't object. Overall I banged a real cutie with a great body for 55 USD, can't complain.

This area should be renamed to North Tokyo or North Japan. Infested by them.

I might try Honey Massage on Soi 11 and Second Rd, heard that was good.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1678615]

I went from Nana to Ekeimmai Station on the BTS. You can see the bus station from the BTS train. Went to their version of the Greyhound Deport and bought a ticket to Pattaya for 130 baht ($4 USD). In 10 minutes I was boarding the little van with my luggage.
[/QUOTE]Was it a small van? If so, how many seats? How full was the van? And did the AC work well enough?

Hmm it's been 10 days since I came to Pattaya I hooked up with two Thai chick and no money was involved just couple of drinks it's hard, but not impossible I hit all the clubs in walking street but got lucky only in Mixx club, it's very hard lotta walking, dancing ghosh! I missed couple of hot one was too drunk another one some Russian guy snatched away from me! God damn I hate him!!

1st day in Pattaya was a disaster as I was perplexed didn't know where to go even though I went to all clubs the regular Russians tourist was so rude with me later I came to know they don't like brown skin!! I speak Russian I live in Goa have so many Russian friends! So hooking up with Russian girls was easy!! Trust me I have a very funny Russian accent! But I'm in Thailand I want only Thai chicks!!

2nd day I hooked up with a chubby smiley girl she was a ho, she had braces, she looks even better without her make up!! She was. A disaster in bed! She kept complaining about everything, she wanted to finish fast and sleep I told her to fuck off and sleep at your own house, she had the worst pussy smell it was so yuck I couldn't bear it I told her to leave we agreed 2 k for full night I didn't care I politely offered her money and told to dress up and offered to drop her to drop her home but she took taxi she works in Mixx she is cute Thai chick with braces I don't remember her name she comes to mixx club after. 1.30 in the night usually wears a red halter dress avoid her worst pussy smell ever! I go to the club everyday in the night most days she wears red!! Avoid her.

Rest of the days are a hit and a miss!! Beach road girls (cute girls) quotes 2 k for st last year it was 700 bht, walking street has the worst looking girls these days and mostly Russians I like Soi 6 better, cute girls ya you heard it right cute sweet looking girls work there I hooked up with a 8/10! Thanks to ISG otherwise I would never know about Soi 6!

I visited dream teen Pattaya massage they were so rude when I asked about the chicks in the website the receptionist don't even understand English so I left!! Any pointers how to approach them. ? It's near pp massage.

I have a mixed feeling about Pattaya I won't come back here unless and until I turn 50 and above!

Thanks ISG senior members for posting valuable info over here!! Three days left then I'm back to Bangkok!!

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1678523]Very good advice above. Negotiate price and services before getting to your hotel. My newbie mistake 2 yrs ago was assuming that most girls know the "deal". My first night I had a coyote (I think) and she was fine with 3 shots (2 at night and one in the morning). But then next night I took back a gogo girl and after good chemistry, laughs, fun, 2 shots, she was ready to go and told me for her LT = 2 shots. Awkward, but she was a very nice person and it was my fault for not doing a standard pre-interview.

Heading back to Pattaya in a couple of weeks! Chinese new year coming up. Hope it's not too crowded. Haha.[/QUOTE]Wow. The scams just never stop. LT is ALWAYS defined as overnight. The time they leave in the morning may vary, but it is always overnight. LT = 2 shots is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard. I hope you only paid her for short time.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1678817]Was it a small van? If so, how many seats? How full was the van? And did the AC work well enough?[/QUOTE]It was a elongated Toyota van. I say little because they packed us in like sardines! There's actually bigger buses too but this one was leaving right away, so I took it. The AC was not working that good in the van and so therefore the van had 2 fans working on the ceiling of it.

Still good value.

My judgement may have been compromised by Chang, LEO and San Miguel Light beer, do they put something extra in that beer, cause I get buzzed fast on it!

Anyways, I was getting hammered the other night walking the streets of Pattaya. I stopped at Wonderful Bar on 2nd Rd. I seem to prefer 2nd Rd for mongering, bars are everywhere and the girls too.

So as I was bar hopping and getting drunk, I stopped a Wonderful Bar and pretty much hooked up with a bar girl. Bar fine was 300 baht and she wanted 1000 baht for LT. So I took her to my place. She was 40 years old, great body, not so much in looks. So she wanted to stay with me through the day, so I made her my guide. I kind of felt embarrassed when I see other older gentlemen with younger hotter girls and I got this gal who wouldn't leave me and kept holding my hand as we walked.

Anyways she told me she lives in squalor conditions, no AC and small room. To her it was a treat to sleep in AC room. She said she pays about 3000 baht per month (100 USD). So by afternoon we did the duty again and she had to go back to work and she finally left.

She said the words 'up to you' many times. She has a nice body and no tattoos (which I like), she was very GFE. I wonder if other girls in these bars go for 1000 baht, we'll see.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1678859]It was a elongated Toyota van. I say little because they packed us in like sardines! There's actually bigger buses too but this one was leaving right away, so I took it. The AC was not working that good in the van and so therefore the van had 2 fans working on the ceiling of it.

Still good value.[/QUOTE]I have noticed these vans at Ekkamai, wasn't aware they were available for the same fare. In any case, I find the bus for 134 baht very comfortable (with air conditioning) and much safer.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1679035]I have noticed these vans at Ekkamai, wasn't aware they were available for the same fare. In any case, I find the bus for 134 baht very comfortable (with air conditioning) and much safer.[/QUOTE]The minivan will make every possible stop and even slow down to look for passengers. Avoid unless no other choice, better wait 1 HR for the next direct bus.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1678835]Hmm it's been 10 days since I came to Pattaya I hooked up with two Thai chick and no money was involved just couple of drinks it's hard, but not impossible I hit all the clubs in walking street but got lucky only in Mixx club, it's very hard lotta walking, dancing ghosh! I missed couple of hot one was too drunk another one some Russian guy snatched away from me! God damn I hate him!!

1st day in Pattaya was a disaster as I was perplexed didn't know where to go even though I went to all clubs the regular Russians tourist was so rude with me later I came to know they don't like brown skin!! I speak Russian I live in Goa have so many Russian friends! So hooking up with Russian girls was easy!! Trust me I have a very funny Russian accent! But I'm in Thailand I want only Thai chicks!!

2nd day I hooked up with a chubby smiley girl she was a ho, she had braces, she looks even better without her make up!! She was. A disaster in bed! She kept complaining about everything, she wanted to finish fast and sleep I told her to fuck off and sleep at your own house, she had the worst pussy smell it was so yuck I couldn't bear it I told her to leave we agreed 2 k for full night I didn't care I politely offered her money and told to dress up and offered to drop her to drop her home but she took taxi she works in Mixx she is cute Thai chick with braces I don't remember her name she comes to mixx club after. 1.30 in the night usually wears a red halter dress avoid her worst pussy smell ever! I go to the club everyday in the night most days she wears red!! Avoid her.

Rest of the days are a hit and a miss!! Beach road girls (cute girls) quotes 2 k for st last year it was 700 bht, walking street has the worst looking girls these days and mostly Russians I like Soi 6 better, cute girls ya you heard it right cute sweet looking girls work there I hooked up with a 8/10! Thanks to ISG otherwise I would never know about Soi 6!

I visited dream teen Pattaya massage they were so rude when I asked about the chicks in the website the receptionist don't even understand English so I left!! Any pointers how to approach them. ? It's near pp massage.

I have a mixed feeling about Pattaya I won't come back here unless and until I turn 50 and above!

Thanks ISG senior members for posting valuable info over here!! Three days left then I'm back to Bangkok!![/QUOTE]You have some game. Get on we chat now and you will make instant connections in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679078]You have some game. Get on we chat now and you will make instant connections in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]You may want to try Tagged or Badoo. Find a girls start chatting and then switch the conversation to Line Viber or Wechat.

I was chatting with plenty of girls like this before my tip. However, I never actually got around to meeting any of them in real life as I got caught up with girls I met in the clubs, street, BR etc.

But the potential is certainly there. Especially if you are after freebies. I actually dn't mind paying as I have more money than time when I am in Patts. Online games take up a lot of the latter (as well as the former too). And the girls rarely look as good as in their online profiles (though there are some exceptions).

Stay horny my friend.

UNcle V.

I am putting together a list for my trip.

I did a search for this bar you mentioned.

It says it is the number one Lady Boy bar?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1676917]After all this talk about lowered quality, I decided to start my evening directly at Sensations to see if I could still pull a hot chick out of a go-go bar and have good sex with her. As you get in, you walk past a bunch of girls who are waiting to get on stage. One of them peeled off her table and tried to put her hooks on me. I smiled and said I was just here to have a beer, then I made sure I got a seat without her. I thought that was a bit abrupt for my taste.

First set of girls dancing, nobody caught my eye. There were even some fat ones. Have they no shame wiggling their folds? Then after a while, some new ones came up, and I immediately noticed one in fishnet stockings. She was the only one like that. I thought that was sexy. She was skinny, 41 kilos for 1 m55, about 25 years old, fairly white skin. I caught her eye and hand-signaled her to come sit next to me have a drink, but she just smiled and kept on dancing.

I looked at her again a few times, but she was still ignoring me, and I felt I was starting to come across as desperate, so I tried reverse psychology and concentrated my attention on the other girls, not looking in her direction once. Sure enough, she popped out of nowhere and said Hello, even though her turn to dance was not finished. The games you've got to play with those girls!

Turned out her name was Cara and her wristband said #38. She said she was a Coyote, and her lady drink was printed as a Coyote Drink on the bill. Her English was really good. She had to leave Pattaya before 3 am to catch a taxi and be back in Bangkok before 6 am. Since she had no visible means of support, I assume the boyfriend who pays her rent was coming back in town. Poor guy probably has no clue she's been banging horny strangers like me behind his back.

On the positive side, her extra-curricular activities are for a worthy cause: to get fake tits. I felt it was my duty to chip in, so I barfined her at 1500 THB. She asked 3000 for short time, which I thought was a bit steep, but she was really beautiful, and I don't get a free night in Pattaya often enough, so what the heck. Sex was really good. She had an amazing body, and we had a good connection. I'm not saying it was the best bang for the buck, but life is too short to bang girls who are not stunners.

The good thing about not shopping around for the best possible deal is that I managed to keep it a three-beer, 1:30 am in bed kind of night, including some good live rock-and-roll at the Hot Tuna Bar. My liver is thankful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1679040]The minivan will make every possible stop and even slow down to look for passengers. Avoid unless no other choice, better wait 1 HR for the next direct bus.[/QUOTE]And when they are not stopping they are driving like they are chased by some demon out of hell. Furthermore they have absolutely NO space to put any luggage. All space is strictly "passengers only" to maximize their income.

[QUOTE=OfficialKnight;1678528]Okay thank you. So I'm assuming just to be safe if you want more pops, you should also agree on that before hand?[/QUOTE]That would be the best way to do it unless you go for LT which by tradition is multiple pops.

Is there a reference on the rough price of food there?

[URL]http://www.numbeo.com/common/[/URL] has some data on Pattaya.

Mixx club is so lucky for me bro I hook up with such cute Thai girls (touch wood) lotta hard work talking to them making them laugh through Google translate!! In the end it's all worth it for some I pay 2 to 3 k fn as a gift! Couple of them never accepted money I think I'm just lucky!! Go go bars and honey massage parlours ain't my thing though I'm just waiting for the day to get old.

New Bies. Check out Soi buKaro street it has cute Thai girls check out PP massage nice chicks as well it's around 3 km from walking street.

Lot of info about Pattaya in ISG its priceless information.

Thank you Jackson the ISG members.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679078]You have some game. Get on we chat now and you will make instant connections in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1679133]I am putting together a list for my trip.

I did a search for this bar you mentioned.

It says it is the number one Lady Boy bar?[/QUOTE]That's why his date was saving up for a boob job. :D

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1679133]I am putting together a list for my trip. I did a search for this bar you mentioned. It says it is the number one Lady Boy bar?[/QUOTE]There are two Pattaya drink emporiums (bars) using the word "Sensations" in their name. Sensations A Go Go is located on Walking Street and is one of the best Go Go's in Pattaya. They have plenty of agency coyotes, but I assure you, there are no ladyboys at this bar. Sensations Bar, on the other hand, is located somewhere on Soi Buakhow and is 100% ladyboy. Conduct an advanced search on the ISG with the word "Sensations," be sure to include the quotes, and you will find reports including my own from last year on Sensations A Go Go. It is my current favorite Go Go in Pat.

A couple of nights ago I was wandering along Beach road about 11 pm. I knew it was late and that most of the lovelies would probably be gone. Then, to my surprise, there was a beautiful, thin, woman (I guessed low 30's) smiling at me. We talked a bit and then headed off to my hotel. WOW!! Shower together. Previews. Full on GFE. She seemed to enjoy the time fully as much as I did. Turned out she was 40. No problem with that. Body of a 30 year old, and a sex drive to go with it. And -- the best of all, before we left Beach Road she asked for 500 Baht to "go with you". Needless to say, I tipped her a bit.

Yes, as the old-timers say, Pattaya might not be what it once was, but there are still some gems to be found and some great times to be had.

SW4.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1679354]A couple of nights ago I was wandering along Beach road about 11 pm. I knew it was late and that most of the lovelies would probably be gone. Then, to my surprise, there was a beautiful, thin, woman (I guessed low 30's) smiling at me. We talked a bit and then headed off to my hotel. WOW!! Shower together. Previews. Full on GFE. She seemed to enjoy the time fully as much as I did. Turned out she was 40. No problem with that. Body of a 30 year old, and a sex drive to go with it. And -- the best of all, before we left Beach Road she asked for 500 Baht to "go with you". Needless to say, I tipped her a bit.

Yes, as the old-timers say, Pattaya might not be what it once was, but there are still some gems to be found and some great times to be had.

SW4.[/QUOTE]Nicely done!

I also had some good luck out there in early January. It's not impossible. It just takes a lot of effort and a little bit of luck.

In fact the best new girl from my last trip was a girl from BR. Hard bodied 27 year old who works in a salon by day. I look forward to seeing her again next trip. In the meantime she still sends me sexy pics on LINE.

I was thinking that there must be two places with the same name.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1679308]There are two Pattaya drink emporiums (bars) using the word "Sensations" in their name. Sensations A Go Go is located on Walking Street and is one of the best Go Go's in Pattaya. They have plenty of agency coyotes, but I assure you, there are no ladyboys at this bar. Sensations Bar, on the other hand, is located somewhere on Soi Buakhow and is 100% ladyboy. Conduct an advanced search on the ISG with the word "Sensations," be sure to include the quotes, and you will find reports including my own from last year on Sensations A Go Go. It is my current favorite Go Go in Pat.[/QUOTE]

I think this place is the epitome of Pattaya. It's like anything goes. There are very, very few attractive women, but there is plenty of men of all ages, a good share of ladyboys. Waiters are not pushing for drinks and the DJ set, within its style, is not that bad. Just bad. I got three pull out that turned decent, the first a true petite with a family owned bar in Jomtien. Another girl, Chuchu also from Jomtien with a good deal of energy in bed, a natural tri-holer and not sperm shy at all. And the last one is the freshest find, very cute with poppy ass, I'm not giving details as I want to see if she has material to become a regular. After all I'm a monogamous monger and would't mind to settle for a while. All were 2 K deals.

God! I never thought I would really fall for Thai girls last night in mixx met this awesome 8/10 cute Thai girl with an awesome smile perfect skin flawless porcelain skin! Dancing with her Frnds and saying no to most guys who approach her!! I was little apprehensive to approach her God her smile was so captivating so I went and sat beside her!! And the rest was history I took more than three hours to convince her that I'm the nicest guy ever!

Today is my last night in Pattaya even though I hooked up with few Thai chicks she just swept my feet away no money was involved but I paid 2 k Bhat as a gift and kept in her purse which I thought it was very less for an awesome gal like her!! Tonight is My last night in pattaya!! Feeling little weird don't know why!

Damn pattaya I'm going to miss you.

Anyone down to Pattaya on April 15-18?

Pm me, we can meet up and lets mongering together. LOL.

Any monger or fun clubber, like to meet next month for drinks or chat let me know, be in Pattaya from 20 March.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1679225]Mixx club is so lucky for me bro I hook up with such cute Thai girls (touch wood) lotta hard work talking to them making them laugh through Google translate!! In the end it's all worth it for some I pay 2 to 3 k fn as a gift! Couple of them never accepted money I think I'm just lucky!! Go go bars and honey massage parlours ain't my thing though I'm just waiting for the day to get old.

New Bies. Check out Soi buKaro street it has cute Thai girls check out PP massage nice chicks as well it's around 3 km from walking street.

Lot of info about Pattaya in ISG its priceless information.

Thank you Jackson the ISG members.[/QUOTE]Take you BS back home.

If you can't hook up in a club that doesn't mean that everyone else is lying you should visit clubs once in a while! I don't get anything by posting false info over here! Problem with people is they come in packs! I don't hook up everyday bro there are nights I went back alone! I'm in Pattaya from the past 14 days today is my last night! And I ain't so lucky tonight! Lot many competitions on weekends!

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1679645]Take you BS back home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1679645]Take you BS back home.[/QUOTE]What's your beef with him?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679670]What's your beef with him?[/QUOTE]If I had to guess, he doesn't believe a girl he just me would refuse that much money offered.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1679670]What's your beef with him?[/QUOTE]Yeah G&T takes it easy in the rook with his "smiles and cries" BS.

We were all just like him back in the day, Alonzo.

For those who don't get the cultural ref:

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VishuGjaKsQ[/URL]

Stay horny my friends.

You-V.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed]My judgment may have been compromised by Chang, LEO and San Miguel Light beer, do they put something extra in that beer, cause I get buzzed fast on it![/QUOTE]According to this web site:

[URL]http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/493/7609/[/URL]

Chang beer (the classic variety) has an alcohol content of 6. 4 percent. In the United States that would be characterized as a malt liquor.

The guys who savor high class beer will kill me for saying this: But I happen to like the stuff. That said, Chang it *IS* rather strong. If you are accustomed to drinking beer with a lower alcohol content, take care.

Bunky

How much did you have to eat before you started drinking?

I met this chick in a club this is how they treat you when you Treat them right!!I don't bull sh!! Bro I don't need to! Check the screen shot which I have attached! I don't BS bro I got all the info from ISG! I'm just trying to help people who don't like go go bars and massage parlours!

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1679645]Take you BS back home.[/QUOTE]

Is this starting to be a pattern in Pattaya?

The other day a fellow sports partner called and ask if I wanted to check out the M-Club with him off 3rd Road / Soi 15, I told him no since these clubs seem to be the same for me and not my scene. Last one I went recently was Montana club.

The next day I got a call from him and he told me lucky I didn't come because the club was raided. They basically took him and everyone to the police station, had everyone take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] test, those who had a passport or copy was let go, he was told that the place had been under investigation for sometime.

Just recently another club, called Heavens Gentlemen was having a pool party with near 100 patrons? Was also raided. It seems these clubs generally being finance by Falangs are getting targeted?

Who is next?

Where do they all come from.

All the farangs with their hot girlfriends of the night, where do they all come from.

I don't see single hot ones when I go out, seems like their all snatched up by the time I go hunting. Sure thego are girls all over, but I want a LT stunner. Its getting competitive!

Somebody posted that they have been coming here for 30 years or so and now probably banging the granddaughters of the gals they banged 30 years ago. I was thinking, those guys are probably now buying food and trinkets from the gals they did years ago, I guess that's where all the old gals go, become food street vendors and such when they are put out to pasture.

I don't see to many Ameri-asians, do they not exist or did Papa take the whole family to their respective countries?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1679700][I]We were all just like him back in the day, Alonzo.[/I][/QUOTE]Just make sure you don't end up like Roger, Uncle V!

CandyShop FL on Walking St.

This is a freelancer bar which was pretty good, but ibhad an issue with staff.

After drinking and paying for each beer and tipping them well, I inquired as to how much hooka smoking was. They broke out the menu and showed me 280 bots. I went back to drinking. Then somebody sits next to me and then the hooka guy comes and sets up a hookah. I figured the other guy ordered it or the hookah guy just left it there for some reason. The other guy next to me suddenly moves to another seat. I keep drinking my beer checking out chicks. Then the bartenders want me to pay, I said I paid each of my beers as I ordered them. Misunderstanding, finally security involved, I tell them I paid each of my beers, they pointed at the hookah. I said I never ordered that, I just asked how much. The hookah guy never even acknowledged me to ask if I ordered it. They let me go. I left without paying that.

I give them the benefit of the doubt, misunderstanding, loud music.

There's a rumour that some / many soi 6 bars do not offer ST presently. Any confirmation?

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1679965]There's a rumour that some / many soi 6 bars do not offer ST presently. Any confirmation?[/QUOTE]Interesting. Where did you hear that? Without ST none of these bars can exist.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1679885]Just make sure you don't end up like Roger, Uncle V![/QUOTE]Yup poor Roger. A year away form realizing the dream of every guy on this forum: buying an Island in PI no doubt stocked with nubile young lovelies.

LOL.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1679847]I met this chick in a club this is how they treat you when you Treat them right!!I don't bull sh!! Bro I don't need to! Check the screen shot which I have attached! I don't BS bro I got all the info from ISG! I'm just trying to help people who don't like go go bars and massage parlours![/QUOTE]Check mate indeed. And she looks cute form the pic. So nicely done, young man!

No doubt one of the curmudgeons on this board will try to burst your bubble by saying that she was probably sucking another guy off while writing that text to you.

Don't pay it no mind. Just remember: "they hate us because they anus. " LOL.

OK. I will stop quoiting movies now.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1679847]I met this chick in a club this is how they treat you when you Treat them right!!I don't bull sh!! Bro I don't need to! Check the screen shot which I have attached! I don't BS bro I got all the info from ISG! I'm just trying to help people who don't like go go bars and massage parlours![/QUOTE]Great work mate. No need to prove yourself to anyone bros.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1679977] "they hate us because they anus. " LOL.

OK. I will stop quoiting movies now.[/QUOTE]Too late Uncle V. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHgD-rcp1-E[/URL].

BTW the "interview" was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I give it 3* out of 5. I enjoyed the party scene with Franco and the dictator Kim Jong-un.

Its good to the king.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2TKFC_Hxc[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1680017]Too late Uncle V. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHgD-rcp1-E[/URL].

BTW the "interview" was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I enjoyed the party scene with Franco and the dictator Kim Jong-un . Its good to be the king.[/QUOTE]That party scene reminds me of one of your trip reports. I think you can sue them and demand compensation. 555

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1679867]The other day a fellow sports partner called and ask if I wanted to check out the M-Club with him off 3rd Road / Soi 15,
The next day I got a call from him and he told me lucky I didn't come because the club was raided. They basically took him and everyone to the police station, had everyone take a P test, those who had a passport or copy was let go, he was told that the place had been under investigation for sometime.
Just recently another club, called Heavens Gentlemen was having a pool party with near 100 patrons? Was also raided.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1679965]There's a rumour that some / many soi 6 bars do not offer ST presently. Any confirmation?[/QUOTE]Local Pattaya board confirms the raid. Happened during M club's pool party on Saturday afternoon, at 4p. Only M-Club owner and cashier are still in custody. Police photocopied the 1000 baht notes in the till. One can deduce an undercover used the notes to pay for ST room. Hence some of the Soi 6 bars are not offering ST at this time. Per the local board, Planet Earth, and Tokyo Kids, (other G clubs,) were recently raided as well. Club 4 was raided earlier in the week, but is still open, ladies are now wearing panties. :(

Careful going into any places that offers on premise ST. Local board recommends one carry their passport or copy of it and visa entry, exit stamps.

As I was walking on the east side of Beach Rd I noticed many girls scrambling toward my side of the street and go into businesses and onto the scooters. I thought WTF?

So as drunk as I was I looked to the north of Beach Rd and noticed police lights.

In five minutes the lone police truck with about 5 officers in the back were going slowly on Beach Rd south.

Scare tactic? I think so.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680102]
Scare tactic? I think so.[/QUOTE]Not tactics, if they get caught they get fined 500 Bt, spend the night at the police station, and be recorded as "know offenders". That has been happening at much more relaxed times and can happen again anytime.

My last night in Pattaya, I overheard a short conversation about the new Endorphin club.

Didn't get a chance to make it there.

What kind of music is the DJ playing, location, etc.

Is it getting popular with freelancers?

Thanks.

Tom.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1679354]A couple of nights ago I was wandering along Beach road about 11 pm. I knew it was late and that most of the lovelies would probably be gone. Then, to my surprise, there was a beautiful, thin, woman (I guessed low 30's) smiling at me. We talked a bit and then headed off to my hotel. WOW!! Shower together. Previews. Full on GFE. She seemed to enjoy the time fully as much as I did. Turned out she was 40. No problem with that. Body of a 30 year old, and a sex drive to go with it. And -- the best of all, before we left Beach Road she asked for 500 Baht to "go with you". Needless to say, I tipped her a bit.

Yes, as the old-timers say, Pattaya might not be what it once was, but there are still some gems to be found and some great times to be had.

SW4.[/QUOTE]500 bahts for a 40 year old girl-sounds about right.

I took a cute Thai from Soi 6 for St, just talk to them, don't go for full night unless and until you make a good connection with them! If you take them for full night they want you to finish fast and sleep!! I prefer St! Especially if I'm travelling alone.

A

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1679965]There's a rumour that some / many soi 6 bars do not offer ST presently. Any confirmation?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1680218]I took a cute Thai from Soi 6 for St, just talk to them, don't go for full night unless and until you make a good connection with them! If you take them for full night they want you to finish fast and sleep!! I prefer St! Especially if I'm travelling alone.

A

.[/QUOTE]His query was in light of some raids which occurred yesterday (or day before). See Java Man's report on this point below. Unless you did a ST with a girl on soi 6 today, Java's post will be helpful.

From [URL]Pattayaone.com[/URL]:

Feb 2: "In the early hours of Sunday officers from Pattaya and Banglamung Police Stations were busy conducting raids of Bars suspected of employing Thai and foreign nationals for the purposes of prostitution. Thailand's Senior Police Officers have ordered a nationwide crackdown on bars and other late night entertainment venues with a special focus on those venues suspected of engaging in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and prostitution. ".

- See more at: [URL]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/168399/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-bar-raids-in-pattaya-and-banglamung/[/URL]#sthash. 0 E02 SVeP. Dpuf.

Feb 3: "On Monday Night, District Officials, assisted by the Thai Army and local Police, continued to visit Bars and other entertainment venues in the Pattaya area in search of those engaging in Prostitution and venues which engage in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. The raids are expected to continue over the coming weeks.

[URL]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/168592/pattaya-prostitution-and-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-bar-crackdowns-continue/[/URL]

Feb 6: Tokyo kids aka Naked sushi raid: [URL]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/169358/police-seek-arrest-of-australian-owner-of-south-pattaya-naked-sushi-restaurant/[/URL].

And: [URL]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/169123/pattaya-naked-sushi-restaurant-makes-national-news-headlines/[/URL].

Have not found any news reports about the M-club raid. Now we have a better idea as to what the Thai Authorities are up too.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1680415]
Have not found any news reports about the M-club raid. Now we have a better idea as to what the Thai Authorities are up too.[/QUOTE]Bizzare! I still don't quite understand what they are looking for. Are they cracking down on falang owned establishments or mixed thai-falang establishments? Or are they looking to make a big splash with these raids for which they seem to indicate that they received information beforehand.

Failed on basics at the 2nd night, after a faltering 1st one. But getting an HJ while parked at Big C was a new experience.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1680419]Bizzare! I still don't quite understand what they are looking for. Are they cracking down on falang owned establishments or mixed thai-falang establishments? Or are they looking to make a big splash with these raids for which they seem to indicate that they received information beforehand.[/QUOTE]In one case they were also looking for drugs, and even found a minuscule amount. Thai police doesn't need any information, it's all a matter of what they want to repress and when, depending on payments received.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1680415]From [URL]Pattayaone.com[/URL]:

The raids are expected to continue over the coming weeks.

[/QUOTE]Definitely not the news I would have wanted to hear at this time when I am 4 days away from my trip to LOS. 2 nights in Bangkok and 3 nights in pattaya.

I had planned to visit Soi 6 bars and some gentleman clubs like M, Club 4, etc this time. Seems like this aint going to happen. BR is not my scene and I prefer gogos in BKK hence the two nights for Soi cowboy there.

Looks like I am going to have to rely on open bars or FLs in Discos. Not read much about the way raids happen in LOS. Is it a complete shutdown or it impacts on premises ST only. Do girls take off for few days or there isn't much of an impact.

I would request forum members with some insight or knowledge about this to share.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1680517]Definitely not the news I would have wanted to hear at this time when I am 4 days away from my trip to LOS. 2 nights in Bangkok and 3 nights in pattaya.

I had planned to visit Soi 6 bars and some gentleman clubs like M, Club 4, etc this time. Seems like this aint going to happen. BR is not my scene and I prefer gogos in BKK hence the two nights for Soi cowboy there.

Looks like I am going to have to rely on open bars or FLs in Discos. Not read much about the way raids happen in LOS. Is it a complete shutdown or it impacts on premises ST only. Do girls take off for few days or there isn't much of an impact.

I would request forum members with some insight or knowledge about this to share.[/QUOTE]The current "raids" have impacted 0,0000001% of the offering in Pattaya. The police going full force 24/7 for a year could probably multiply this result by 100!

Coming to Pattaya for sex one needs only two things, money and common sense (some call it good taste). But looking around the 2nd element is often left home.

Its funny how these raids are never done on expensive soapies popular with Asian customers. Wonder why LOL.

When I came to Pattaya, I thought the action was on Beach Rd and Walking St. Nope. Its all over!

An overview of Pattaya for those that haven't been.

Beach Rd is the main drag and it becomes Walking St. There are many streets (Soi) off of Beach Rd that offer everything, massage parlors, BJ bars, ST rooms and all kinds of hotels big and small with vacant signs.

The 3 main drags are Beach Rd, 2nd Road and 3rd Road (Boukou), all run parallel. I did the Walking St thing, but I prefer 2nd and 3rd Road. Many more bars and girls to choose from with cheaper rates.

The smaller hotels and signs for room for rent, I see go for 600 to 1000 bahts. But you don't know what your getting in terms of noise, hot water or a safe for money storage.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1680522]The current "raids" have impacted 0,0000001% of the offering in Pattaya. The police going full force 24/7 for a year could probably multiply this result by 100!

Coming to Pattaya for sex one needs only two things, money and common sense (some call it good taste). But looking around the 2nd element is often left home.[/QUOTE]No impact.

I concur. The ladies were out on Beach Rd the day after, no problem. I wanted to go to Club 4 but got sidetracked by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s BJ bar.

I picked a looking gal probably 18. I couldn't get my juices out and boy, she will have a jaw contusion after she worked on me. She spoke hardly any English said her name was Phone. When I reached for her ass while she was blowing me, she said " no, pen" I thought she said penis, I got right out of that chair and said its over, paid my fine and left.

After walking down the street, I thought maybe she meant period. Darn it! I couldn't bust a but anyway. Dam Kamagra pills!

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1680522]The current "raids" have impacted 0,0000001% of the offering in Pattaya. The police going full force 24/7 for a year could probably multiply this result by 100!

Coming to Pattaya for sex one needs only two things, money and common sense (some call it good taste). But looking around the 2nd element is often left home.[/QUOTE]I certainly hope you are right.

But I'd say shutting down the ST rooms on Soi 6 is a little more than a. 0000001% impact. I can't even imagine how those bars will stay open if this is true.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1680489]Failed on basics at the 2nd night, after a faltering 1st one. But getting an HJ while parked at Big C was a new experience.[/QUOTE]She's a cutie. Nicely done. Makes me miss Patts so much. Johnny Law be damned!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1680717]I certainly hope you are right.

But I'd say shutting down the ST rooms on Soi 6 is a little more than a. 0000001% impact. I can't even imagine how those bars will stay open if this is true.[/QUOTE]Soi sex is more likely as a target because it's right in your face, that is, operated in a way that can be considered against the Thai law. The law doesn't say that prostitution can't be had on premises, it says that prostitution is illegal only if "done against public decency" or similar words. So, the large brothels or clubs are OK, because nothing can be seen from outside, a fishbowl is not against decency, but a bunch a loud scantly dressed women advertising themselves possibly is.

Other things that trigger police actions pretty quickly: drugs or gambling on premises, trafficked or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] women (although an exception was made for certain places for years. - these were out of sight, but not inaccessible, for the average tourist) One could even imagine a Pattaya without Soi 6 within the next 5 years.

What has _already_ changed the whole scene is economics and development.

I'm staying at the Ozo which I really like. A little bit of a walk I guess to the sights, but personally I don't mind it. During the day times I've gone to the beach to get some sun, I hate being pasty. I was a bit surprised how there is zero talent on the beach. I thought maybe it would be like Sosua where you could still see some talent out around the beach but that doesn't seem to be the case here. I guess they sleep all day to be ready for the night. The only females to be seen are old vacationing land whales with their husbands. Tomorrow I think I may check out soi 6, still haven't been there yet. At nights it's just been beach road and walking street. My first night I took it easy, got my logistics down and tried to get a feel of the place. Checked out a couple of go-gos on walking street. Told myself beforehand just one beer in each before I moved on. Went to Living Dolls, there are two now I noticed, I went to the second one further up the street. A lot of pretty girls, some smoking hot. But the most memorable thing I saw was a woman in one of those burka things, in there with her boozing and schmoozing husband. Anyways, I moved on to the airport go-go. Girls weren't as pretty as Living Dolls but some were all nude. Lots of guys in there, more than in Living Dolls. Finished my beer and just walked some more. Ended up out on beach road, and saw some decent looking girls. I was going to walk home and saw Tahitian Queen and figured one more beer wouldn't hurt so I popped in. Again cute girls, an old busted one that latched onto me, but I saw one girl I really liked. I talked to her for a bit and we clicked. I didn't take her home, my plan was to take it easy my first night but told her I would see her again for sure. Well all day yesterday she was on my mind and I knew I'd go back to have her. Did a tour of some bars and popped into Tahitian Queen around midnight. I saw my girl right away but she was sitting in a group with a couple dudes. She then looked in my direction and gave me the biggest smile and motioned for me to sit. She excused herself from the group to go to the bathroom so she could walk by me and whispered she would be over as soon as she could. After a bit she deftly extracted herself from the other guys and was sitting with me. It didn't take too long before we were out the door and walking back to my apartment. Sex was good, once at night and then again in the morning. Tonight I think I will check out a club, I see Mixx mentioned a couple times on here.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680706]When I came to Pattaya, I thought the action was on Beach Rd and Walking St. Nope. Its all over![/QUOTE]No more action in Walking Street? You must be kidding, LOL!
SNIP.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680706]
The 3 main drags are Beach Rd, 2nd Road and 3rd Road (Boukou), all run parallel.[/QUOTE]
I suppose you mean Soi Buakhao, which is not the same as 3rd Road. There's not much action on 3rd Road as far as I know.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680706]
The smaller hotels and signs for room for rent, I see go for 600 to 1000 bahts. But you don't know what your getting in terms of noise, hot water or a safe for money storage.[/QUOTE]You get what you pay for and that is not much for 600 to 1000, except maybe east of Soi Buakhao. But if you're a bar fly and night owl and you only use the room for showering and sleeping (in the day time) then a cheap room can be sufficient.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1680821]
I suppose you mean Soi Buakhao, which is not the same as 3rd Road. There's not much action on 3rd Road as far as I know.[/QUOTE]There is, gay action.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1680821]No more action in Walking Street? You must be kidding, LOL!
SNIP.

I suppose you mean Soi Buakhao, which is not the same as 3rd Road. There's not much action on 3rd Road as far as I know.[/QUOTE]I guess you were confused by my words, I meant to say not only is there or only action on walking St but the action is everywhere else too.

As far as 3rd Rd is concerned, yes I guess it is different than Boukahou. It runs into it correct?

I was on 2nd Rd and just finished ordering a Chicken Kabob for 60 baht when the cops went by and the food vendors scrambled out of the area taking someone's Kabob on the run! They left in their motor bikes and push carts. They came back as business as usual 5 minutes later.

I took a walk to Beach Rd and I saw the cops again in a truck with 5 or 6 officers in the back of the truck. Unlike the other night, this time the gals paid no attention to them and stayed put. Might have to do with the lights being on or off. They were off this time.

Hi Seniors,

I am coming to Pattaya on 14 and would like to take my girl on yacht during evening some for adventure and love making.

Is it advisable? If yes, if any decent and credible option available?

Lazylad

The way I look at it, many of the bars are driving away potential customers.

Firstly, my mistakes are: I would see a gal I want to get to know and I would plant myself a seat or two or maybe on the next part of the bar a bit always from her. But next thing that happens is another gal that I am not interested plants herself right next to me starts talking. With out offending I continue the conversation but ultimately leads to her asking for a lady-drink and I say no finish my beer and go off. So with that I recommend you sit yourself right by the girl that looks good to you.

About the other business practices, I see a lot of bars letting the girls take up valuable real estate of the bar. The outer parts of the bar where people can people watch. I passed many a bar where I could have had a beer but kept going because the gals are sitting in those seats, where I would like to sit.

Oh well.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680914]I guess you were confused by my words, I meant to say not only is there or only action on walking St but the action is everywhere else too.

As far as 3rd Rd is concerned, yes I guess it is different than Boukahou. It runs into it correct?[/QUOTE]Ah, I see. You said 'it's all over' which I interpreted as 'it's all gone' but apparently you meant 'it's all over Pattaya'.

3rd Rd and Soi Buakhao run parallel. If you look it up on Google maps: 3rd Rd is called Chaloem Phrakiat.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680934]I took a walk to Beach Rd and I saw the cops again in a truck with 5 or 6 officers in the back of the truck. Unlike the other night, this time the gals paid no attention to them and stayed put. Might have to do with the lights being on or off. They were off this time.[/QUOTE]Yes you often see that but I don't know if lights on or off means anything. Somehow the girls seem to know whether there's a raid coming or not.
There's even a police booth on Beach Road (somewhere near Soi 12 or 13 if I'm not mistaken). The girls are standing very close to this booth or are even leaning against it and do their business, LOL!
TIT (This Is Thailand).

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680960]The way I look at it, many of the bars are driving away potential customers.

Firstly, my mistakes are: I would see a gal I want to get to know and I would plant myself a seat or two or maybe on the next part of the bar a bit always from her. But next thing that happens is another gal that I am not interested plants herself right next to me starts talking. With out offending I continue the conversation but ultimately leads to her asking for a lady-drink and I say no finish my beer and go off. So with that I recommend you sit yourself right by the girl that looks good to you.

About the other business practices, I see a lot of bars letting the girls take up valuable real estate of the bar. The outer parts of the bar where people can people watch. I passed many a bar where I could have had a beer but kept going because the gals are sitting in those seats, where I would like to sit.

Oh well.[/QUOTE]Stop being so shy. If you want a certain girl then go up to her and tell her or tell the girl that comes over to go get that girl for you. If you see a place you want to sit then tell the girl to get up. Or even if you just walk up there instead of passing the place by then I guarantee you that a girl will get up and offer you the seat. Nobody can read your mind and a closed mouth don't get fed.

OK, I'm officially fed up with WS pub, aka car on the wall. It's nothing but a men's gathering venue. There's tons of them, of all sizes, ages and nationalities. Women are few. Not worth the effort anymore.

The surprise yesterday was Lucifer. Yes the place has decayed a lot in popularity, so I wasn't very convinced about getting in. But I was wrong, first I tried to follow an hot body wrapped in one of these sleeve dresses. Then sitting side to the band, there were not less than three hotties near to me, all available. One slim young thingie on a table of four uglies, another red dressed sitting alone bored, and a third with a sort of Jap style hairdo was actually company with her friend to to an older Westerner. The M / F ratio was very favorable yesterday. I had already hit on a more plain girl, but still attractive and pleasant to be with. Brought her home and all was good and great until she did a run at 6. 30 am. I behaved like a gent and paid the full 2K fare, making an exception to the golden rules. That and the fact she was still insisting that her friend had a car crash upset me a little, however there is very little good material available at this time, and one may have to put up with this kind of BS.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1681172]OK, I'm officially fed up with WS pub, aka car on the wall. It's nothing but a men's gathering venue. There's tons of them......[/QUOTE]You mean Red Car Disco / Bar right? That's the only one with the Red Chevvy (I think) hanging out on the wall. That club generally has a higher male to female ratio and since it closes earlier than the rest of the clubs, the girls start to move out quicker as well. May have just been a slow day for them when you visited.

Lucifer did look very run down (and esp since the temporary closure no reports), but good to hear that they are attracting good quality. What were the FLs quoting?

Hello everyone,

Is it possible for one of these girls to get a visa to study English in the US? Normally the visa requirements are very stringent, one has to provide documents stating they have enough stake in their home country to want to come back. The most that can happen in this case is that I can provide sponsorship letter with a bank statement. Does it look like it might work? I have no girl in mind but I was thinking of making a trip to see if I could find one and bring her along to study English.

Hey look, I know what you are talking about. It has happened to me a lot also. But if I see something I like I will sit right next to her if it is available. But more times than not, I will find a strategic seat and sit down and Miss Perfect will sit away from me or be on the other side of the bar. All you have to do is ask the bartender to ask the young lady to come over and sit next to you. Or if there isn't a seat available give up yours for her to sit and start a comversation and see where it goes after a drink or two. As for miss ugly coming over and sitting next to you and trying to grab your attentions, just tell her your not interested. Or better yet tell her to tell the girl your interested in to come over so you can buy Miss Perfect a drink. It is nothing personal, it is pure attraction. I am sure miss ugly has encountered this scenerio before and she might be disappointed, but if there is any place in the Mongering world where Darwin's theory is alive and well, it is Pattaya. Only the strong and the non-bashful survive, for the pretty ones anyway.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1680960]The way I look at it, many of the bars are driving away potential customers.

Firstly, my mistakes are: I would see a gal I want to get to know and I would plant myself a seat or two or maybe on the next part of the bar a bit always from her. But next thing that happens is another gal that I am not interested plants herself right next to me starts talking. With out offending I continue the conversation but ultimately leads to her asking for a lady-drink and I say no finish my beer and go off. So with that I recommend you sit yourself right by the girl that looks good to you.

About the other business practices, I see a lot of bars letting the girls take up valuable real estate of the bar. The outer parts of the bar where people can people watch. I passed many a bar where I could have had a beer but kept going because the gals are sitting in those seats, where I would like to sit.

Oh well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1681175]
Lucifer did look very run down (and esp since the temporary closure no reports), but good to hear that they are attracting good quality. What were the FLs quoting?[/QUOTE]I mentioned what I paid, and she was very happy with that, one sees that when no taxi money is mentioned. I think 1.5K would have been fairer due to the run out. I don't know about the others that were there, and normally I don't let them quote. Last time at Marine one skinny OK looking asked 3,000 LT, but all she got from me was 3,000 milliseconds of condescending smiling.

[QUOTE=LazyLad;1680946]Hi Seniors,

I am coming to Pattaya on 14 and would like to take my girl on yacht during evening some for adventure and love making.

Is it advisable? If yes, if any decent and credible option available?

Lazylad[/QUOTE]"my girl" . Which one exactly?

I think you know already that 99.999% of Thai woman doesn't have the slightest idea or attraction about being at sea more than 5 minutes?

Certainly if paid they would come but their reaction would range from silent terror to constant complaining. In Thai culture women don't go to sea, not even in fisherman villages or romantic movies. Australians, American, North European women would be a probably a better candidates.

So, sorry but if you were looking for some sort of [URL]www.takemetoromantingsailing.th[/URL], there is no such thing here.

[QUOTE=ClientNumber9;1681190]Hello everyone,

Is it possible for one of these girls to get a visa to study English in the US? Normally the visa requirements are very stringent, one has to provide documents stating they have enough stake in their home country to want to come back. The most that can happen in this case is that I can provide sponsorship letter with a bank statement. Does it look like it might work? I have no girl in mind but I was thinking of making a trip to see if I could find one and bring her along to study English.[/QUOTE]If you throw enough money at something, pretty much anything can be done. Question is, would be worth it? Come here, find a candidate then judge yourself. I think if you are so willing to take the role of paying sponsor there are better ways than paying for student visa, travel, tuition, insurance, boarding, meals, dresses, gifts, and "send to my mama" money. All that to get laid few times a week in home country ?

[QUOTE=ClientNumber9;1681190]Hello everyone,

Is it possible for one of these girls to get a visa to study English in the US?[/QUOTE]Unless she is studying English as a major at a university then your chances are zero. And if you are speaking of a hooker, then most of those have not gone past 6th grade so I would say your chances are even less than zero there.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1681172]OK, I'm officially fed up with WS pub, aka car on the wall. It's nothing but a men's gathering venue. There's tons of them, of all sizes, ages and nationalities. Women are few. Not worth the effort anymore.
[/QUOTE]Yup, that place is the definition of hit or miss. I have felt the same way and vowed not to ever go there again. Only to pop in the next night out of curiosity and score a real GFE hottie.

It's at the very beginning of WS so going in for a quick peek and then leaving doesn't cost anything.

I concur. Yesterday, I asked my companion if she would like to join me on a short two hour sea kayaking journey down a very calm and placid river. There was not even a remote chance she would go. Emphatically, she said not interested. I actually felt relieved.

On a separate note, I told her that I was going to a second hand bookstore and she became upset. 'Why do you want to buy a book when you could be with me' was her response in barely intelligible English. It was about a five minute walk to this store but she wanted to take a tuk tuk. I said no let's walk, but she refused and returned to our hotel room and slept, or sulked, for the rest of the day and evening.

She had been complaining about putting on 7 kilos and I guess she thought it would magically disappear by praying to Buddha or drinking more Singha.

In the morning, she silently slipped out of the room while I was gone and returned to Bangkok on her own.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1681213]"my girl" . Which one exactly?

I think you know already that 99.999% of Thai woman doesn't have the slightest idea or attraction about being at sea more than 5 minutes?

Certainly if paid they would come but their reaction would range from silent terror to constant complaining. In Thai culture women don't go to sea, not even in fisherman villages or romantic movies. Australians, American, North European women would be a probably a better candidates.

So, sorry but if you were looking for some sort of [URL]www.takemetoromantingsailing.th[/URL], there is no such thing here.[/QUOTE]

Hit Soi 6 this evening, things are slightly different, depending on the venue. Most places I visited were no longer offering on premise ST, take out only. BJ bar Red Point being one of them. Found out they were recently raided. Didn't see any of the popular ladies there, must have been taken out ST. A few of the other BJ bars, (to remain nameless, to protect the less than innocent,) were still on premise activities. One wouldn't allow you to take your cell phone with you. To me, it appeared there were less ladies in the bars, taken out ST I hope. Also M-Club remains closed.

[QUOTE=ClientNumber9;1681190]Hello everyone,

Is it possible for one of these girls to get a visa to study English in the US? Normally the visa requirements are very stringent, one has to provide documents stating they have enough stake in their home country to want to come back. The most that can happen in this case is that I can provide sponsorship letter with a bank statement. Does it look like it might work? I have no girl in mind but I was thinking of making a trip to see if I could find one and bring her along to study English.[/QUOTE]This is wrong on so many levels.

First, there is no way you're going to get one of these bar girls a visa to the US, letter of sponsorship notwithstanding. Now if she was a young muslim male with a predilection for jihad, that would be different. One exception would be to bring her to Mexico, then have her walk across the border and claim asylum. Then she'll be home free. If you can teach her Spanish in the meantime, that'll be a huge plus.

Second, you may no realize it yet, but bar girls tend to be dog-ass lazy. Studying English isn't exactly a walk in the park, especially for somebody with (barely) a 6th grade education.

Third, why you would want to put up with the special brand of hell that would ensue, should you be successful is this endeavor, is beyond me.

If you really want to do this, cultivate an actual relationship with a Uni student from a good family, a middle-class lady with a decent job, etc. The odds of getting a student visa, or some such, are much better when you start with better raw material.

From Stickmanbangkok: "Thailand's low rating in a Hu man traf fic ing report has been attributed as the main reason for a surge in nightspot visits all around the country with the authorities making a show of cracking down on the employment of un deraged ladies, foreign nationals and those working in brothels against their will. " (Broken up words prohibited by site, WTF??)

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1681368]Hit Soi 6 this evening, things are slightly different, depending on the venue. Most places I visited were no longer offering on premise ST, take out only. BJ bar Red Point being one of them. Found out they were recently raided. Didn't see any of the popular ladies there, must have been taken out ST. A few of the other BJ bars, (to remain nameless, to protect the less than innocent,) were still on premise activities. One wouldn't allow you to take your cell phone with you. To me, it appeared there were less ladies in the bars, taken out ST I hope. Also M-Club remains closed.[/QUOTE]To Java Man.

So how much is take out for ST and LT how is the Quality now, I like take out anyway but they always quote a much higher price than inhouse.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1681393]This is wrong on so many levels.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;1681223]Unless she is studying English as a major at a university then your chances are zero. And if you are speaking of a hooker, then most of those have not gone past 6th grade so I would say your chances are even less than zero there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1681221] Question is, would be worth it? [/QUOTE]Thank you gentlemen. I knew this was a foolish idea to begin with. Thanks for confirming. I was temporarily fantasizing.

I am looking to book a trip for March. Is it still worth coming to Pattaya or should I just spend my 17 days in Bangkok. Just looking for maybe 4 days for a stay.

Thanks,

Horndog.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;1681565]I am looking to book a trip for March. Is it still worth coming to Pattaya or should I just spend my 17 days in Bangkok. Just looking for maybe 4 days for a stay.

Thanks,

Horndog.[/QUOTE]I have been here in Pattaya for almost a month. Still seems worth it to me. Actually prefer it to Bankok.

[QUOTE=ClientNumber9;1681190]Is it possible for one of these girls to get a visa to study English in the US? Normally the visa requirements are very stringent, one has to provide documents stating they have enough stake in their home country to want to come back. The most that can happen in this case is that I can provide sponsorship letter with a bank statement. Does it look like it might work? I have no girl in mind but I was thinking of making a trip to see if I could find one and bring her along to study English.[/QUOTE]

It is indeed possible. A friend once sponsored a Sukhumwit freelancer who stayed in the USA On a student F1 visa before, to study English, and I helped out with paperwork. It takes more than just a letter from you, though, you'll need to pay the tuition (which is not inconsiderable, maybe $3-6 k or so) for at least one semester / quarter, in order for them to obtain an I-20 form from the school, which is required to apply. You'll probably need to guide her through the process as well. Their student status will be valid only as long as they study (plus one month), and there are strict requirements for the school to notify the government if they drop out.

Issuing the visa is still subject to an interview where she has to prove she's a genuine student and will return, so it only works if the story is semi plausible. For example, a 23-year old with some college and maybe some work history other than the bar, good; 35 year-old obvious bargirl with only 6 years of elementary school, not so likely. Even in a solid case, with good preparation, I think chances are 50:50.

Good luck finding that 23 year bargirl willing to go these days. However, you might have some luck pitching this offer to with girls on dating sites. It's not an uninteresting proposition for many, but you'll need to see if they'll deliver what you expect.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;1681565]I am looking to book a trip for March. Is it still worth coming to Pattaya or should I just spend my 17 days in Bangkok. Just looking for maybe 4 days for a stay.

Thanks,

Horndog.[/QUOTE]I just got home last night after spending 30 days in Pattaya (my 15th trip in 7 years), and I think it's still worth it.

Sure, it's not what it used to be, but I don't know of any place in the world that isn't changing. For me, Bangkok is just another big urban jungle, while Pattaya is a relaxed beach town.

Pattaya's combination of smiling friendly people, low prices, beach culture, climate, weather, attractions, delicious food, and thousands of available ladies at affordable prices make it a very attractive destination for me. No. It's not perfect. But I haven't found a better place on the planet yet. And even though it's a grueling 8,500 mile, 3 leg, 30 hour journey for me, I still do it at least twice a year.

I hope this helps you make your decision.

[QUOTE=ClientNumber9;1681190]Hello everyone,

Is it possible for one of these girls to get a visa to study English in the US? Normally the visa requirements are very stringent, one has to provide documents stating they have enough stake in their home country to want to come back. The most that can happen in this case is that I can provide sponsorship letter with a bank statement. Does it look like it might work? I have no girl in mind but I was thinking of making a trip to see if I could find one and bring her along to study English.[/QUOTE]I have no idea about the visa to study English, but in general your plan is not very wise.

You presence here on this forum makes me think you are not (only) interested in her English language skills but are planning to have some more playful benefits out of her stay.

That will only work if indeed you find someone who can be your GF for a more or less longish time. It is rather unlikely to find someone during a short stay in Thailand unless you lay the groundwork and hang out on (Thai) dating sites to find someone who is reasonably compatible with you. And most girls you can find through this web-site are not in the category of *real* girlfriends, unless you pln to hire a P4 P girl for the whole time but that could become quite expensive.

[QUOTE=David2;1681741]I just got home last night after spending 30 days in Pattaya (my 15th trip in 7 years), and I think it's still worth it.

Sure, it's not what it used to be, but I don't know of any place in the world that isn't changing. For me, Bangkok is just another big urban jungle, while Pattaya is a relaxed beach town.

Pattaya's combination of smiling friendly people, low prices, beach culture, climate, weather, attractions, delicious food, and thousands of available ladies at affordable prices make it a very attractive destination for me. No. It's not perfect. But I haven't found a better place on the planet yet. And even though it's a grueling 8,500 mile, 3 leg, 30 hour journey for me, I still do it at least twice a year.

I hope this helps you make your decision.[/QUOTE]Wow, that is about 500 miles further than I use to come. Where you from, T. Bay?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1681434]From Stickmanbangkok: "Thailand's low rating in a Hu man traf fic ing report has been attributed as the main reason for a surge in nightspot visits all around the country with the authorities making a show of cracking down on the employment of un deraged ladies, foreign nationals and those working in brothels against their will. " (Broken up words prohibited by site, WTF??)[/QUOTE]Of course there is a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] problem that needs addressing, thing is it is with the offshore fish meal for shrimp farming industry. Problem is reality and perception are at odds.

Lists of 57 naughty words, censorship in order to get approval from a credit card processor. If you wish to know which CodeWord# was typed, here it is:

[URL]http://isgprohibitedwords.info/index.php[/URL]

Club for Raided again yesterday. This time the Army assisting the locals. :eek:
"A popular daytime bar located in Central Pattaya was the subject of a raid on Thursday, following a tip-off that sex and drugs parties were taking place at the location.
A team of Banglamung District Licensing Officers and Army personnel conducted the raid at the Club 4 Bar off Soi Arunothai, just before 6 pm and found many foreign patrons inside.
A total of 9 women, who appeared to be employed by the venue were taken aside and checked. Nothing untoward was found and all the women were over 18 and were not in possession of illegal drugs. Some were UrIn tested for drugs and they all passed the test.
Rooms on the second floor were searched and nothing untoward was found. However, checks on the venues licenses did reveal problems and these issues have been reported.
No evidence of sex and drugs parties could be found but a report of the raid has been sent to the Governor of Chonburi Province who may impose a closure order on the venue in relation to the licensing problems found. "

[URL]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/170778/central-pattaya-daytime-bar-raided-by-district-officials-and-army./[/URL]

Why is this happening? From the Guardian: [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/jun/20/thailand-qatar-downgraded-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-report[/URL].

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1682026]"A popular daytime bar located in Central Pattaya was the subject of a raid on Thursday, following a tip-off that sex and drugs parties were taking place at the location.[/QUOTE]Quite an investigative work.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1682026]Why is this happening? From the Guardian: [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/jun/20/thailand-qatar-downgraded-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-report[/URL].[/QUOTE]And so to combat trafficking on Thai "slave fishing trawlers" they raid Soi 6 and the locations of other fine mongering establishments? How about going where the identified problems are and leaving the rest of us alone? Once again the "tentacles of morality" of the "land of the free" reach out and attempt to enslave us all in a sex prison hell!

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1681778]Wow, that is about 500 miles further than I use to come. Where you from, T. Bay?[/QUOTE]I'm from Las Vegas. It's 407 miles to San Francisco, 5198 miles from San Francisco to Tokyo, and another 2875 from Tokyo to Bangkok. 8480 Total.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1682022]Lists of 57 naughty words, censorship in order to get approval from a credit card processor. If you wish to know which CodeWord# was typed, here it is:

[URL]http://isgprohibitedwords.info/index.php[/URL][/QUOTE]That's helpful, thanks. Didn't know there was commerce involved in this censorship.

Going to repost link elsewhere.

I am from NY. Boy is it a long ride. But it is worth it!

[QUOTE=David2;1682089]I'm from Las Vegas. It's 407 miles to San Francisco, 5198 miles from San Francisco to Tokyo, and another 2875 from Tokyo to Bangkok. 8480 Total.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=David2;1682089]I'm from Las Vegas. It's 407 miles to San Francisco, 5198 miles from San Francisco to Tokyo, and another 2875 from Tokyo to Bangkok. 8480 Total.[/QUOTE]The miles aren't the problem, the time is the problem. Total time is 23 hrs with changing planes and layover.

Horrible, horrible! I got the farting guy next to me on the plane, then the guy was playing the arm rest game hogging up my side of it, then the guy goes to sleep, mouth wide open, snoring and the worst part of it, had very bad case of halitosis.

7804 from Chicago to Hong Kong. 1071 from Hong Kong to Bangkok. So I just booked my trip. 17 days in March. First time back after a year away. I am tired of the AMPS here in Chicago. I need some THAI love.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1682028]And so to combat trafficking on Thai "slave fishing trawlers" they raid Soi 6 and the locations of other fine mongering establishments? How about going where the identified problems are and leaving the rest of us alone? Once again the "tentacles of morality" of the "land of the free" reach out and attempt to enslave us all in a sex prison hell![/QUOTE]One seems to have nothing to do with the other. Just to be pedantic, the goings-on in Soi 6 are, for the most part, illegal. Thailand, like many countries, has anti-brothel laws. Damn near every establishment on Soi 6 qualifies as a "brothel. " I suspect the raids have far less to do with John Kerry's bloviating and far more to do with the Thai authorities getting tired of the bar operators flouting the law. How long this might last is anybody's guess.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1682109]The miles aren't the problem, the time is the problem. Total time is 23 hrs with changing planes and layover.

Horrible, horrible! I got the farting guy next to me on the plane, then the guy was playing the arm rest game hogging up my side of it, then the guy goes to sleep, mouth wide open, snoring and the worst part of it, had very bad case of halitosis.[/QUOTE]I once flew caoach from Houston to Tokyo 14 hrs on the plane with someones bad ass kid screaming and whining the whole way.

Now I fly business class on the long flights like to Thailand and it is worth every penny.

[QUOTE=Allover;1677346]It is amazing to me that in 2014-2015 anybody would walk around in a foreign country wearing a gold chain. Always carry only what you are willing to lose.[/QUOTE]I always have my gold chain on me. I've been walking around shady areas in Bangkok, Saigon, Phnom Penh, Manila, Cape Town, Jakarta and a few others. I have never been robbed, attacked. Nor has anyone tried to steel my watch or gold chain.

Just use whatever common sense you have and don't spread horror stories.

Took the speed boat to Koh Rohn today to check it out. Good thing I did as there was quite a swell today and if I had been on the ferry it would of been a terrible ride.

Lots of Russians at Tiem Beach getting hammered and there where some very hot young Russian women in Bikinis that I couldn't take my eyes off.

There was a group of Russians, all in their twenty's wearing T-shirts that said sex on the beach. There was about 100 hundred of them and they where all holding hands and walking down the beach and stopping every 100 meters and saying stuff in Russian and then chanting " sex on the beach".

I then noticed two couples run up about 50 meters behind the beach chairs where there where some trees and the two guys dropped their shorts and their girlfriends where blowing them. Anyone on the beach who would of turned around would seen what was going on. I was jealous to say the least.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1682357]I then noticed two couples run up about 50 meters behind the beach chairs where there where some trees and the two guys dropped their shorts and their girlfriends where blowing them. Anyone on the beach who would of turned around would seen what was going on. I was jealous to say the least.[/QUOTE]Very bad form. Such things are simply "not done" in Thailand. No wonder tourists are seen as clueless barbarians by many of the Thai.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1682166]One seems to have nothing to do with the other. Just to be pedantic, the goings-on in Soi 6 are, for the most part, illegal. Thailand, like many countries, has anti-brothel laws. Damn near every establishment on Soi 6 qualifies as a "brothel. " I suspect the raids have far less to do with John Kerry's bloviating and far more to do with the Thai authorities getting tired of the bar operators flouting the law. How long this might last is anybody's guess.[/QUOTE]I think this whole campaign of "cleaning up" the sex- (tourism) -industry is part of the struggle for power between the Army and the Police. The Army having usurped civil power has really stepped on a lot of the Police's toes. Such a loss of face needs to be addrressed and a careful rebalancing act is taking place. The local brothels need to remember who are their "protectors" and hence some raid are done and examples made out of some unlucky bars. Once everybody remembers again the rules of the game, business will be as usual.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1681454]To Java Man. So how much is take out for ST and LT how is the Quality now, I like take out anyway but they always quote a much higher price than inhouse.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Depends where you go. Per a local board, some places, it's business as usual. I hit Soi 6 last night. Some bars BF from 350 to 500BHT, ST from 1000 to 2000BHT off premise, (sorry, didn't ask about LT, but I would assume 3000BHT.) Other places have rented ST rooms on the Soi. Depending on the Bar, the BF covers it, or it's an additional 300BHT for the ST room.

Interesting to note that as it got later in the evening, there appeared to be less ladies on the Soi. Red Point, for example had only 1 lady available after 11p: 350BF, 1000ST for her. As to Quality, well, Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder.
Also M Club reopened today after paying a very high fine. AFAIK, Club 4 is still closed.

Bunky: Am unable to reply to you, your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1682451]Very bad form. Such things are simply "not done" in Thailand. No wonder tourists are seen as clueless barbarians by many of the Thai.[/QUOTE]Hmm, yes. The same Thai that fuck too young girls in the local brothels.

HI everyone,

This is my first post in Pattaya thread.

Just returned from 8 day trip to Thailand. Had my first ever soapy in Sabai Dee. Ok-Ok experience. Nothing great.

Also visited See-lick bar on Soi 6. Had short time in a room upstairs (shared toilet) with a 26 yo girl (forgot her name though). Truly amazing experience in 1200 bht. Girl was not a stunner but typically Thai looking with a thick but smooth body. Amazing BBJ skills (best BJ ever), Giggling all the time, making funny noises and horny expressions, jumping all around the room and on bed, 5 min deep kiss with tongue fighting. Did her in all possible positions. Finally released on her medium sized boobies. Overall satisfactory experience.

Does anyone by chance knows her name. She wares a small locket with a picture of Indian Godess-Kali.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1682452]I think this whole campaign of "cleaning up" the sex- (tourism) -industry is part of the struggle for power between the Army and the Police. The Army having usurped civil power has really stepped on a lot of the Police's toes. Such a loss of face needs to be addrressed and a careful rebalancing act is taking place. The local brothels need to remember who are their "protectors" and hence some raid are done and examples made out of some unlucky bars. Once everybody remembers again the rules of the game, business will be as usual.[/QUOTE]I think there is a lot of merit in what you say. I have heard of historic competition between the army and police going back to the post WW2 era. There is always competition between them for resources from government but also competition for non-government resources. The army has always been able to run companies, including at least one large bank. That makes it easy for them to make up the extra cash that does not come from the government and has made for an almost autonomous army. It might also give them the reputation for being less corrupt as they make their money from legit business, therefore no need for scrambling for tea-money that has to be kicked upstairs etc.

How will this be likely to affect the sex industry? As long as the military sees that it has to keep a lid on things, the sex sector will be leaned on by the army so as to show the police who is boss. It will also play well into the anti-corruption popularity that the army now sees it needs to encourage legitimacy among the general public.

What happens later is anyone's guess. If the police do not get back their control eventually, it could mean that certain parts of the sex sector will die away as they need protectors, such as the police, in order to continue operating. For their side, the military are not so dependent on kickbacks from massage places and brothels etc. They make money elsewhere and besides the military are not geared up to such local activity.

But I don't think that the sex sector is going to die completely but instead it will probably evolve and change. My guess is that more and more of the sex industry will move away from the traditional static location (brothel, massage place, go-go, bar, BJ place) and will instead go on-line and perhaps be more freelance in nature. Impossible to shakedown, no need for protection to be paid. It will effectively be "e-dating for cash. " For instance, the massage places could simply become a website that puts girls and customers together in rooms in a short-time place, if the customer does not have a place he can bring a girl to. Almost impossible to police and "protect. ".

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1682635]Hmm, yes. The same Thai that fuck too young girls in the local brothels.[/QUOTE]Indeed, but in Thailand there is a huge chasm between the "public" and the "private".

My Thai GF wouldn't think of holding hands or kissing in public, but in private it is a whole lot different. . .

[QUOTE=Peribe;1682312]I always have my gold chain on me. I've been walking around shady areas in Bangkok, Saigon, Phnom Penh, Manila, Cape Town, Jakarta and a few others. I have never been robbed, attacked. Nor has anyone tried to steel my watch or gold chain.

Just use whatever common sense you have and don't spread horror stories.[/QUOTE]Common sense would dictate to keep a gold chain in the pocket, but hey I guess you know better.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1681238]Yup, that place is the definition of hit or miss. I have felt the same way and vowed not to ever go there again. Only to pop in the next night out of curiosity and score a real GFE hottie.

It's at the very beginning of WS so going in for a quick peek and then leaving doesn't cost anything.[/QUOTE]Probably. Yesterday S. Valentine's night I was search of hart shaped pussy. At least in the trimming. Nothing - but I could recognize every single man in that bar... Don't they have anything better to do than spoiling the place?

Until one hottie 30 yrs or so fresh marched in all secure in her 1.58m of non-fat body and perfect teeth. Engaged her a little, paid one beer at 110 Bt. She turned me down for 2K, turned me down for 2.5K and I turned her down for 3K. All signals were mildly negative. As I left at 3am she was still there shadowing the wall.

I know most guys here will call me a dork for a $18 difference. What one has to get is that this is an hard battle fought every night. No prisoners are taken.

I ended the night with a repeat. As with the law of repeats dictates, it wasn't much worth it. Serves me well me for challenging invariables.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1682835]
I ended the night with a repeat. As with the law of repeats dictates, it wasn't much worth it. Serves me well me for challenging invariables.[/QUOTE]Regression toward the mean, my friend. If the fist session was extremely good, chances are the second one will be closer to the average. Exceptions exist, but are infrequent. Another issue with repeats is the mood of the girl -- if calling one up, it's unlikely her original mood (that attracted you to her) will be the same.

[QUOTE=Simian;1682717]My guess is that more and more of the sex industry will move away from the traditional static location (brothel, massage place, go-go, bar, BJ place) and will instead go on-line and perhaps be more freelance in nature. Impossible to shakedown, no need for protection to be paid. It will effectively be "e-dating for cash. " For instance, the massage places could simply become a website that puts girls and customers together in rooms in a short-time place, if the customer does not have a place he can bring a girl to. Almost impossible to police and "protect. ".[/QUOTE]In order for this to be a viable market, there need to be a few (usually just one or two) large websites. Massage parlors or escort sites with 10 girls each would probably not draw enough customers to make it worthwhile (and vice versa, network effects are huge).

Unfortunately, such websites are far from impossible to police, too easy to block, and a very popular target for the authorities trying to make a show of cracking down on vice, and too inconvenient / unprofitable to extort. This is not speculation, there were similar developments in Hong Kong (with the 141 websites). Sure, the 141 websites never got shot down completely, but the scene is hardly thriving.

Given that almost all mainstream politicians anywhere have a strong incentive to appear to suppress prostitution (pandering to the female half of the electorate, with males who participate being are too embarrassed to complain), some degree of corruption is necessary for prostitution to flourish.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1682573]Depends where you go. Per a local board, some places, it's business as usual. I hit Soi 6 last night. Some bars BF from 350 to 500BHT, ST from 1000 to 2000BHT off premise, (sorry, didn't ask about LT, but I would assume 3000BHT.) Other places have rented ST rooms on the Soi. Depending on the Bar, the BF covers it, or it's an additional 300BHT for the ST room.

Interesting to note that as it got later in the evening, there appeared to be less ladies on the Soi. Red Point, for example had only 1 lady available after 11p: 350BF, 1000ST for her. As to Quality, well, Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder.
Also M Club reopened today after paying a very high fine. AFAIK, Club 4 is still closed.

Bunky: Am unable to reply to you, your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]To JavaMan.

So the price is about the same on last Oct when I was there most girl back then don't go back to hotel only in house for 1000-1300ST, most girl don't want to go all night until after midnight so they quote a very high price like 5000 bht, I will be back next month maybe I skip soi 6 .

Fast eddie 48.

I heartily applaud your breaking it off over $18 in price difference. That's the cost of a nice meal in BKK. But, more importantly it puts a halt on inflation and creeping prices. If more guys were like you (and me) the prices would stay at some level of stability. The fact she was still hanging there at 3 am says it all.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1682835]Probably. Yesterday S. Valentine's night I was search of hart shaped pussy. At least in the trimming. Nothing - but I could recognize every single man in that bar... Don't they have anything better to do than spoiling the place?

Until one hottie 30 yrs or so fresh marched in all secure in her 1.58m of non-fat body and perfect teeth. Engaged her a little, paid one beer at 110 Bt. She turned me down for 2K, turned me down for 2.5K and I turned her down for 3K. All signals were mildly negative. As I left at 3am she was still there shadowing the wall.

I know most guys here will call me a dork for a $18 difference. What one has to get is that this is an hard battle fought every night. No prisoners are taken.

I ended the night with a repeat. As with the law of repeats dictates, it wasn't much worth it. Serves me well me for challenging invariables.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TellAll;1682290]I once flew caoach from Houston to Tokyo 14 hrs on the plane with someones bad ass kid screaming and whining the whole way.

Now I fly business class on the long flights like to Thailand and it is worth every penny.[/QUOTE]I'm halfway through booking my award flights to and from the LOS. I am trying to stay in business and first class on each leg so as not to go insane. The trip back will take 3 freaking days!! So I hope the journey is worth it. I've never been to Thailand (Pattaya).

Some simple fun this early morning at Marine, after an unremarkable recognition at Lucifer. Around 3.30 am both Nig and Jennifer came in. I have posted a pic of Nig, but did not said about Jennifer, she has one of the best bodies, young and tonic of a delicious natural tan, and yesterday was looking damn hot in denim shorts and and a red cut top, plus Chuchu that was standing with her friends by the bar, although she's not as hot as the two younger ones. It took them about 1 minute to realize that I had patronized each other previously and do some jokeful pointing. The girls also understood that I was not in for business, yet they acted very friendly all the time we danced casually and crossed glances. I invited Jennifer for an Heineken that comes at Bt 165, as I like to do when I see that a girl has no drink, yet doesn't ask. Looking at them I was satisfied noticing to have banged the best that Marine has to offer during this fishing season. Again I apologized to Jennifer for not taking her home, without remarking openly about the fact that I can't truly enjoy sex with her, even if she does everything right. Having hard butts is not everything in bed. Again zero drama and a positive attitude. After too long a time considering her looks and good dancing, Jennifer was making up with some huge young guy, while perhaps Jennifer had no solution in sight, not that she seemed worried about anyway. There was also a third hot body that I do not recall to have seen before. To resolve the impasse and continue helping the economy, at the moment of leaving I grabbed one of Chuchu's friends, quite plain looking but somehow fueling hopes of a strong session. She certainly did good enough and made up with passion what she did not had in looks. Left her 1,900 taxi money included, as I live quite far.

I think that was it about myself intensively working Marine disco. I know the place from inside out, there are girls and even patrons that I remember to have seen over the years of multiple trips. The average level of women looks is between 1 and 2 on scale of 5. The night before two very sexy semi-petites were also there but they are the loud ones that start 12am at the red car pub, play snooker like a pro and I'm sure can crack man's balls like a nut in 3 seconds. Fun, but way too hardened. Occasionally better looking and "more refined" girls do show up, but they act disinterested or straight rude, I'm not sure WTF they are looking for but I don't think they will find it there.

Having had the best out of the place it's time for me to change strategies now, but not sure how. Anyone with ideas feel free to PM.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1682835]Probably. Yesterday S. Valentine's night I was search of hart shaped pussy. At least in the trimming. Nothing - but I could recognize every single man in that bar... Don't they have anything better to do than spoiling the place?

Until one hottie 30 yrs or so fresh marched in all secure in her 1.58m of non-fat body and perfect teeth. Engaged her a little, paid one beer at 110 Bt. She turned me down for 2K, turned me down for 2.5K and I turned her down for 3K. All signals were mildly negative. As I left at 3am she was still there shadowing the wall.

I know most guys here will call me a dork for a $18 difference. What one has to get is that this is an hard battle fought every night. No prisoners are taken.

I ended the night with a repeat. As with the law of repeats dictates, it wasn't much worth it. Serves me well me for challenging invariables.[/QUOTE]2000 was more then generous. I think you did the right thing. When you have to negotiate hard on price, that usually is a bad sign. Although you did a repeat, you still got laid when you wanted. I call that a victory.

A wise man once said,"I never had a bad lay, some were just better than others".

I'm in Pattaya now. Thinking about who I'm going to do tonight.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1684834]
I'm in Pattaya now. Thinking about who I'm going to do tonight.[/QUOTE]I've toured and watched the entrance of 808 few nights ago, in the hope that it was to be a better play, but it's not so, trite mixed youngish crew smoking that crap, sporting a touch of misplaced eccentricity.

The next logical step up would be I-bar (please don't mention Insomnia to me, as I have sent their rude bouncers to hell multiple times already), but it has to be played in a pair at least to better stand the local level of absentmindedness, that is higher than average.

Third or fourth visit to Pattaya during which I've found virtually nothing worth going for on the beach. Nowadays the moderately attractive girls want the absurd price of 1000 baht and what is worse offer no service at all. It seems all the good service-oriented girls have been bundled off for drugs sentences.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1684946]Third or fourth visit to Pattaya during which I've found virtually nothing worth going for on the beach. Nowadays the moderately attractive girls want the absurd price of 1000 baht and what is worse offer no service at all. It seems all the good service-oriented girls have been bundled off for drugs sentences.[/QUOTE]A couple of weeks ago I found a hard body, no babies, 19 year old for 800 b. Very cute who had just come down from her home just east of Bangkok a week earlier. I have had her come over 4 times since. First girl off Beach Road in some time, got lucky.

Around 11 pm I went to Baccara to enjoy the goods on display, then chilled at a live rock bar, and ended up at Happy. I barfined girl #94 and took her to the Oasis motel next door.

She had dyed-blond hair, large tits, and was taller than the average Thai girl but shorter than me. She had an amazingly shapely ass, many tattoos and some piercings, including in the labia. Normally I don't go for that but I figured it signaled she was a genuine sl*t. Not to give away the ending, but an hour later the prediction was fully verified!

After the shower, I started very slow, admiring her hourglass figure and caressing her softly with only mildly erotic intent. She liked to be looked at. She kept asking me if I though she was fat. Was she kidding? I had drunk quite a bit so I wasn't sure I could come and I just wanted to enjoy the moment. This gave her time to get pretty hot, and gave me time to get pretty hard, so eventually the whole thing degenerated into a BBBJ. Then condom on, I fucked her in all sorts of positions. She was really up for it. Definitely not a clock-watcher. She didn't complain that I was taking too long to come, or try to hasten my release by playing some dirty trick like licking my nipples or fingering some other sensitive spot. To the contrary, she encouraged me to go on pounding her as hard as I could. I didn't read the Kamasutra, but I'm pretty sure we fell into some positions that were not in the book. It's good to have a good long hard f*ck every once in a while. Finally the alcohol wore off enough from the physical exercise that I managed an ejaculation. All in all a great experience. I would not repeat because there are so many fish in the sea, but if you catch her eye this one is a bona fide sex fiend.

To quote somebody famous: I spent half of my money on booze and fast women; the rest I just squandered.

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Nice to read you FR.

I am planing to vist Thai. In next few months and I will surely try to catch her and let you know her name.

Buddy this would be my fist time in Thai.

Can you please guide me and help me in planning budget.

Thanks,

Sam.

From Pune IN.

[QUOTE=AmitS;1682694]HI everyone,

This is my first post in Pattaya thread.

Just returned from 8 day trip to Thailand. Had my first ever soapy in Sabai Dee. Ok-Ok experience. Nothing great.

Also visited See-lick bar on Soi 6. Had short time in a room upstairs (shared toilet) with a 26 yo girl (forgot her name though). Truly amazing experience in 1200 bht. Girl was not a stunner but typically Thai looking with a thick but smooth body. Amazing BBJ skills (best BJ ever), Giggling all the time, making funny noises and horny expressions, jumping all around the room and on bed, 5 min deep kiss with tongue fighting. Did her in all possible positions. Finally released on her medium sized boobies. Overall satisfactory experience.

Does anyone by chance knows her name. She wares a small locket with a picture of Indian Godess-Kali.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686057] Can you please guide me and help me in planning budget.\[/QUOTE]Please reach out to OP via personal message, since you require help in planning a budget which is personal to you. Alternatively, you could take some time out and read the umpteen reports (many of which contain cost breakdowns) posted on these pages and assess the damages yourself. Cheers.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686057]Nice to read you FR.


Can you please guide me and help me in planning budget.

Thanks,

Sam.

From Pune IN.[/QUOTE]Hi fellow puneite!

What exactly are you looking for? There are plenty of things to do.

Go-Gos, Beer bars, Soapy, Blowjob bars, freelancers, sex shows. First plan how many days you are in pattaya and then decide what to do in all those days.

Soi 6 & 7 are more budget friendly.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1685512]To quote somebody famous: I spent half of my money on booze and fast women; the rest I just squandered.[/QUOTE]One of the Best quotes!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1686200]One of the Best quotes![/QUOTE]One of the guys from an age where footballers were real characters and not trying to attract attention with strange hair and weird tattoos.

He is still missed.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."

-A Great Quote from a talented and charismatic guy, but it should be noted that George Best died at age 59 from complications that arose a couple of years after his successful liver transplant in 2002. His continued drinking was certainly a contributing factor. Life is rough and George knew how to party, but he paid a price. It was his choice! Rest in Peace, man.

[QUOTE=AmitS;1686106]Hi fellow puneite!

What exactly are you looking for? There are plenty of things to do.

Go-Gos, Beer bars, Soapy, Blowjob bars, freelancers, sex shows. First plan how many days you are in pattaya and then decide what to do in all those days.

Soi 6 & 7 are more budget friendly.[/QUOTE]I will be making my first journey soon. I keep seeing the phrase "blowjob bar" but exactly how does that work?

"Yes, miss, I'd like a shot of whiskey, a beer and a 10 minute blowjob, please!

But seriously, is it just a bar with a ST room upstairs?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1686293]I will be making my first journey soon. I keep seeing the phrase "blowjob bar" but exactly how does that work?

"Yes, miss, I'd like a shot of whiskey, a beer and a 10 minute blowjob, please!

But seriously, is it just a bar with a ST room upstairs?[/QUOTE]Pretty much. A bar with a pool table and rooms upstairs or in the back. Depends on the place as to the setup. The ones I have been to have one big room in the back with a curtain or partition separating the service areas. In Kangaroo in Bangkok you just sit on the couch in the front common area and whip it out and the girl gets on her knees and goes to work while you are watching TV, drinking your drink, and socializing. Most of the time the girls will be sitting outside so it is best to walk up or in and immediately choose the girl that you like. If not then as Murphy's Law would have it, the one that you dislike the most is going to latch on to you and hound you. I'm not sure if most places have an official time limit. She blows until you blow into her mouth then she spits it out into some tissues or whatever.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1686308]I'm not sure if most places have an official time limit. She blows until you blow into her mouth then she spits it out into some tissues or whatever.[/QUOTE]No time limit in Pattaya. 30 min limit in Bangkok. If can't achieve liftoff, FS may be available for an additional fee. Also in some BJ bars in Pats, the deed can be done right at the bar, or a back area near it. Due to recent raids, this may now be limited, depends on venue.

I am planing for a 4 day trip to thailand 2 days Bangkok and 2 pattaya.

Will it sufficient, I am looking for best kinky sex experience.

Wht could be per day expenditure in these two cities approximately.

Thanks,

Sam.

[QUOTE=AmitS;1686106]Hi fellow puneite!

What exactly are you looking for? There are plenty of things to do.

Go-Gos, Beer bars, Soapy, Blowjob bars, freelancers, sex shows. First plan how many days you are in pattaya and then decide what to do in all those days.

Soi 6 & 7 are more budget friendly.[/QUOTE]

Hi All,

Will it be advisable to opt for Russian chick in Pattaya.

Are they friendly with Indians and are they pocket friendly.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1681172]OK, I'm officially fed up with WS pub, aka car on the wall. It's nothing but a men's gathering venue. There's tons of them, of all sizes, ages and nationalities. Women are few. Not worth the effort anymore.

The surprise yesterday was Lucifer. .[/QUOTE]I'm not a Lucifer guy so I can't compare but I have no complaints about the Red Car Bar. It seems to be getting its crowd a little later in the night now, maybe around midnight is good, used to be starting around 11 pm was good. I could care less how many guys are there, every time I'm there, there are plenty of good looking ladies who are there for one thing only. Walk a full circuit of the interior and 90% of the girls will stare you right in the eye with an obvious invitation. You can be in and out of the place in 5 minutes with a girl if that's your objective.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686481]Hi All,

Will it be advisable to opt for Russian chick in Pattaya.

Are they friendly with Indians and are they pocket friendly.

Thanks in advance.

Sam[/QUOTE]Many Russians are available in Moulin rouge and Russian cabaret. Youll find them a lot hotter than katrina. Lolz. Of course their charges are way more than regular thai bar girl. It may cost you upto 10000 Bht for LT.

One can't really say how much amount is enough per day.

Short time bars and BJ bars cost 800-1200 Bht. Beer bars girls cost 1000 + barfine 300-500 bht for ST. Gogo bars will go higher and higher.

All the required information is available on Internet. Just type right keywords. Youll find some kinky places too.

I would recommend at least 4 nights in pattaya. And also a girl friendly hotel. Other hotels charge you extra to bring a girl to your room.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686481]Hi All,

Will it be advisable to opt for Russian chick in Pattaya.

Are they friendly with Indians and are they pocket friendly.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Today is world's no-sarcasm days, so here's your answers.

Russian girls are not easily available except for teasing, are not particularly friendly with anyone expect their pimps, and are certainly willing to dig deep in your pockets.

Regarding other questions. Basic sex starts 500 Bt a pop in Pattaya. Is that expensive? Draw your own conclusions.

[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1686499]I'm not a Lucifer guy so I can't compare but I have no complaints about the Red Car Bar. It seems to be getting its crowd a little later in the night now, maybe around midnight is good, used to be starting around 11 pm was good. I could care less how many guys are there, every time I'm there, there are plenty of good looking ladies who are there for one thing only. Walk a full circuit of the interior and 90% of the girls will stare you right in the eye with an obvious invitation. You can be in and out of the place in 5 minutes with a girl if that's your objective.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you except for one detail: "good looking".

[B]February 16 (Day 3: Monday)[/B]

I had booked VR taxi to pick me up at 12 and the guy did so on time. I had booked Sunshine Hotel on Soi 8 basis of my earlier experience. The Hotel has much to be desired but location wise is excellent for me. I can walk to Soi 6, Soi LK metro and check bars on SOi 7/8, even walk upto walking street. I have never had problems with the loud music as I have never returned before 4 or 5 in the morning.

I had txt Fon on the way from Bangkok and she reached the Hotel as soon as I had checked in and settled down. She was happy to see me as she didn't expect me to return so soon. I had met her during my Christmas visit in December and spend my First and last night with her. We went out to Kiss and got some Thai food. We came back to our Hotel and had one session. Evening was walking street, few frames of pool which she had recently started playing. We then went to Blu Sky bar for some rock music, hit Candy club and 808 later. We were back to Hotel around 5 am, another session and off to bed.

There was ample picking on BR road mostly toward end of the road which I noticed when we were going to walking street. Christmas time it was really scarce and pathetic. I thought maybe this happens when you already have a girl in tow.

[B]February 17 (Day 4: Tuesday)[/B]

We got up at 11.30 am and got some breakfast. Font went home and said she would come back by 16.30 to which I replied that I would be going out and would txt her when I am back.

Session 1:

I came back to room, rested for a while and decided to go to Soi 6. I walked up street from beach road but the LE guys really seems to have shaken up the place. Not many cat calls, not many decent girls around and I was there at 16.00 not to early. On my way back I could see a girl smile and I walked upto her. She welcomed me inside. Name was Na, got myself a beer and her a drink. Though onsite was refused initially I declined the ST hotels and said I could not take girl to my room either. I eventually got onsite. Had to deposit my mobile at the counter. Girl was average but good service. BBBJ and later CBJ when I began loosing wood due to stress, average small A sized breasts, did not indulge in DKF. Finished in doggy. This was short and quick and made me tense. I won't be returning unless things have cooled down. 1000 + 300+ 100 tip. Overall experience 5/10.

I returned at 6 pm to Hotel and caught a small nap. Fon was back at 8 pm. We went for dinner to Hopf, then onto walking street. Could see too much talent and options on BR while we walked towards Walking street but I didn't need any that night. We went Clubbing in Insomnia and other places and came back by 4 am to end the night with a lovely session.

[B]February 18 (Day 5: Wednesday)[/B]

As usual late start to the day and parting after lunch at Kiss.

I wanted to check out some gentleman clubs today. I came back to room, rested for a while and walked upto Booze lounge on Soi Bukhao in the evening. As I walked towards it could see the girls sitting outside, nothing caught my fancy. I decided to continue on and go to M club, had checked online that they had reopened after the raid. I walked across PP massage lane onto the third road. The club was open but looked deserted from inside, 2 girls but I was not interested. I decided to move on and came back to second road. Got seated onto a bar at the corner got myself a SML. Spent some time there.

Fon came over at 10 pm. Evening was spend playing pool and beer with Fon, went for some Thai food and then bar hopping and clubbing at 808. Surprisingly it seemed that most working girls came her after they had picked up their catch for the day. We returned tired at 4. 30 am. Had got some bottles of premixed JD cola for me and Smirnoff lemon for her. We got ourselves seated in the balcony and enjoyed the view overlooking the soi 7/8 and sea. It is then she told me that she had got a bf from Middle east who wants to marry her and move with him there in next month or two. She might be out of action and Thailand. We had some good sex knowing that we might not meet soon if she was to go away. Though I liked her I also wanted a change. I could not see myself returning to pattaya and spend every night with her. Maybe her availability had made me lethargic of not wanting to go out for the kill. I definitely was not looking for a long term relationship and this was a relief.

[B]February 19 (Day 6: Thursday)[/B]

We had sex again in the morning, just couldn't keep my hands off her just as she walked out of the shower. But I was also happy that she had found someone to take care of her.

The rest of the time was spend chatting and saying goodbyes. VR guy showed up on time and dropped me off the Suvarnabhumi airport for my flight back.

I would be returning to Pattaya in first week of April for 4 nights and hope to find some lovely thai girls before I head out to my maiden trip to Philippines for 8 nights (Manila & AC) and onwards to Jakarta for 5 nights in end of April. Now that I have a decent benchmark I would really be able to see what Philippines and Indonesia offer in comparison.

One of the Soi 6 bars held it's monthly Gentleman's Club crawl yesterday. FYI: Club 4 is currently serving a 30 day license suspension.

First stop was the Kinnaree Club: It was crowded lots of dudes, we got there early and the ladies were just arriving. The ladies here can be hardcore, some refusing a lady drink, preferring to go straight to ST. Good selection and two in the group partook. Business as usual.

Montana Bar was the next stop: More ladies here than my previous visit. No longer wearing sexy school babe outfits, all in street clothes. Appeared to be a new lineup too. Soi 6 bar prices. Two in the group partook here also.

Third stop was Carre Blanc club: Looked to be more Ladies available, however, some older and chubbier. Several in the group got to know the ladies better.

Bliss Lounge: I've passed by here many times, always see god number of ladies sitting at the entrance. Not this day, 4 available and not good. It's a great looking bar, though. When I see more ladies, will have to check it out further. One drink and we were all out the door.

LE Private: On Soi Lengkee, have also passed by many times, but never went in. Narrow bar, about 6 ladies available, 2 good. I attempted to talk to one, but she was fresh from the farm, spoke very little English. Another one drink stop.

Not on the trip, but I've visited recently: LE Telephone Bar: I got there late, so only 5 ladies available. Same fun time for me.

M Club: 2 new ladies of the 8 available. Carry out only.

Found out a new Gentleman's Club to open maybe next week, near Club 4. Will check it out.

The day before yesterday I was with my current non-pro sweetheart all day until her landlord called and said that she needed to come to her room because a guy was there to clean the AC and she didn't want to let him in without the tenants being there. She didn't know what time she would be back because there are about 30 rooms where she lives and she didn't know what time the guy would be done with hers. I got bored when she left and decided to mess around on Tagged. I saw a chick giving massages in a couple of her pictures so I sent her a message and asked how much for a massage. 500 baht she replied. Well that was fine because that is how much the shops that I go to charge for outcall. I told her where I live and she said she would be right over as soon as her motorbike taxi came.

She arrived at 7:45. No sooner than she started the massage my girl sent me a message to say she was on the way back to my place. I told her to wait about an hour thinking I would be done with the massage by then. After about 15 minutes she hit me back and said she was tired and really didn't feel like going out so would just stay in and see me the next day. The girl finally finished the massage at 9 pm then immediately laid down on my bed. She asked if I wanted her to leave. I was supposed to be up at Sky Bar at 8:30 and wasn't planning on doing anything with the girl, but I told her up to you.

Well nothing gets in my bed untouched so I started rubbing the inside of her thigh then started rubbing her chest. Soon I was kissing on her chest and took her breast out to suck on her nipples. After that it was a full fledged fuck fest. She finally decided to leave at 10:45. When she was in the bathroom taking a shower I got 1000 baht out of my safe and put it on the bed. She got dressed and saw the money on the bed and said is this for me? I said yes. She said well why didn't you hand it to me then. I said I was waiting for you to get ready. I walked her down and she told me to call her whenever.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1686584]Russian girls are not easily available except for teasing, are not particularly friendly with anyone expect their pimps, and are certainly willing to dig deep in your pockets.[/QUOTE]That may be true on the P4P front, but there are Russian tourists who are available if you have enough game. I have a few buddies who have hooked up with them. One (who is a member but never posts in the Pattaya section) even arranged to meet up with his in Belgium a few months later where they shared expenses for their trip.

I just found one website [URL]http://www.bangkokrussianescorts.com[/URL] and [URL]http://www.bangkok-escortgirls.com[/URL] Listing may western an Russian girls.

Are these websites genuine, has any one tries to book some one using these websites online.

Guidance will be helpfull.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.

Thank you for your time in responding to my queries.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1686584]Today is world's no-sarcasm days, so here's your answers.

Russian girls are not easily available except for teasing, are not particularly friendly with anyone expect their pimps, and are certainly willing to dig deep in your pockets.

Regarding other questions. Basic sex starts 500 Bt a pop in Pattaya. Is that expensive? Draw your own conclusions.[/QUOTE]

Thank you Amit for your response.

[QUOTE=AmitS;1686518]Many Russians are available in Moulin rouge and Russian cabaret. Youll find them a lot hotter than katrina. Lolz. Of course their charges are way more than regular thai bar girl. It may cost you upto 10000 Bht for LT.

One can't really say how much amount is enough per day.

Short time bars and BJ bars cost 800-1200 Bht. Beer bars girls cost 1000 + barfine 300-500 bht for ST. Gogo bars will go higher and higher.

All the required information is available on Internet. Just type right keywords. Youll find some kinky places too.

I would recommend at least 4 nights in pattaya. And also a girl friendly hotel. Other hotels charge you extra to bring a girl to your room.[/QUOTE]

Pulled out one of the few non-fat ladies from Marine this early morning. Some sort of butterface with a quiet attitude. I posted my offer at 1,500 and she was happy with it. Neither night or morning shag was nothing long or energetic, but to my excuse I had been sick and fasting for two days. Anal upgrade was also available.

Driving back home I realized that what they have done on Sukhumvit is unbelievable. Not even the Berlin wall was so effective at splitting a town in two.

When plenty of girls are available elsewhere why deal with escort agencies. Escort services will charge exorbitant charges. Something like 6000-8000 THB for 2-Hrs. Anyways Russian girls are available even in India. Thai girls are far better. Try Devils den they are much cheaper and offer variety of girls for incall as well as outcall.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1686830]I just found one website [URL]http://www.bangkokrussianescorts.com[/URL] and [URL]http://www.bangkok-escortgirls.com[/URL] Listing may western an Russian girls.

Are these websites genuine, has any one tries to book some one using these websites online.

Guidance will be helpfull.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1686902]...what they have done on Sukhumvit is unbelievable. Not even the Berlin wall was so effective at splitting a town in two.[/QUOTE]What have they exactly done? Got any pics? I couldn't find anything on google.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1686972]What have they exactly done? Got any pics? I couldn't find anything on google.[/QUOTE]They are building underpasses, in the process of doing so have closed all crossings except South (for now). With a car it may take 40 minutes at peak hour just to get on the other side.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1686308]Pretty much. A bar with a pool table and rooms upstairs or in the back. Depends on the place as to the setup. The ones I have been to have one big room in the back with a curtain or partition separating the service areas. In Kangaroo in Bangkok you just sit on the couch in the front common area and whip it out and the girl gets on her knees and goes to work while you are watching TV, drinking your drink, and socializing. Most of the time the girls will be sitting outside so it is best to walk up or in and immediately choose the girl that you like. If not then as Murphy's Law would have it, the one that you dislike the most is going to latch on to you and hound you. I'm not sure if most places have an official time limit. She blows until you blow into her mouth then she spits it out into some tissues or whatever.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Sounds a lot like Blow Row in Angeles.

Thank you for your response.

In India, quality of service is never guaranteed, that is a reason, we need to move out.

I will try DD for sure.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1686949]When plenty of girls are available elsewhere why deal with escort agencies. Escort services will charge exorbitant charges. Something like 6000-8000 THB for 2-Hrs. Anyways Russian girls are available even in India. Thai girls are far better. Try Devils den they are much cheaper and offer variety of girls for incall as well as outcall.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

I want to know that is there any good place in Pattaya for fucking Russian Girls. I tried Galaxy last time but it was only a strip / erotic show. Please don't tell me to go to Russia or Ukraine. I want in Pattaya! Hope you guys guide me. I am planning to be there in a weeks time!

Visited Pattaya last may and I didn't know I had it so good. BR has 1/20 the girls due to the damn stalls they set up to sell sh-t. They now run the entire length. Very few places for the girls to stand. WS disco prices up. Last time 1000-1500. Now 1500 to 3000. Could not get one for under 1500 unless lowered standards. Soi 6 still same 1000 plus 300 for room. It seems the girls just go to a different bar to avoid the brothel law they were raided a few weeks ago. Pretty cleaved. Went to honey 2 and the other 2 soapies in the area at 1 pm today. Poor selection. Didn't see anything acceptable on Soi 6 either. Maybe later. Oh, last night the airport had a good lineup but I hate paying 1500 baht barefines. It is also so much more crowded. Hopefully things get better. Here for 10 days.

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1687225]Hey guys, I want to know that is there any good place in Pattaya for fucking Russian Girls. I tried Galaxy last time but it was only a strip / erotic show. Please don't tell me to go to russia or ukraine. I want in pattaya!! Hope you guys guide me. I am planning to be there in a weeks time!![/QUOTE]Hi,

Seeing the many questions on the subject, I think it's time to say it openly. There is various places to fuck Russians girls in Pattaya. The good news is that service and price are excellent, these girls are horny as hell, very clean and good looking. Also the price is great, 1,500 Bath for a very very good time.

The bad new is that I'm not telling you where this happens.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687244]
Seeing the many questions on the subject, I think it's time to say it openly. There is various places to fuck Russians girls in Pattaya. The good news is that service and price are excellent, these girls are horny as hell, very clean and good looking. Also the price is great, 1,500 Bath for a very very good time.

The bad new is that I'm not telling you where this happens.[/QUOTE]Then we can assume this is bullshit information.

Some of us know better.

Some of us are not rookies to Pattaya.

Some of us don't care for bullshit posts!

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687244]Hi,

Seeing the many questions on the subject, I think it's time to say it openly. There is various places to fuck Russians girls in Pattaya. The good news is that service and price are excellent, these girls are horny as hell, very clean and good looking. Also the price is great, 1,500 Bath for a very very good time.

The bad new is that I'm not telling you where this happens.[/QUOTE]LOL, well said. It must remain a secret for the greater good.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1687249]
Some of us don't care for bullshit posts![/QUOTE]Some of us are also smarter than others (smile).

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687260]Some of us are also smarter than others (smile).[/QUOTE]After going to Pattaya for 35+ years, I agree, some are smarter than others and more experienced.

While others, just talk bullshit; but that wouldn't be you.:rolleyes:

FYI: March 4th is Makha Bucha day, a national holiday, which celebrates the first sermon of the Buddha to his disciples. All bars, gogos, gentlemens clubs and Discos are closed this day. No liquor sales at your favorite 7-11 either. Stock up, as everyone and his cousin end up on Beach Rd. Bring your stash to share with the lovely you'll find on Beach Rd. At 12 a, some of the venues may open.

[URL]http://www.thaiblognews.com/2015/02/24/thailands-pms-office-sets-dates-banning-alcohol-sales/[/URL]

This is not fare guys.

It would have increased the demand if we all were natives of Pattaya, but we are not.

Sharing will help these ladies earn more and satisfy our desires as well.

Please help us guys.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687244]Hi,

Seeing the many questions on the subject, I think it's time to say it openly. There is various places to fuck Russians girls in Pattaya. The good news is that service and price are excellent, these girls are horny as hell, very clean and good looking. Also the price is great, 1,500 Bath for a very very good time.

The bad new is that I'm not telling you where this happens.[/QUOTE]

Bought sidegra 100 4 tablets, Thai viagra, from pharmacy on WS 350 baht and Soi 6 300 baht. Official looking but didn't work at all. It was weird, 70%of the pharmacies didn't carry it and looked at me funny like I was breaking the law or something. I would never buy something like this from street vendors because I know it is fake but from pharmacies? Can anyone shed some light on this?

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1687299]This is not fare guys.

It would have increased the demand if we all were natives of Pattaya, but we are not.

Sharing will help these ladies earn more and satisfy our desires as well.

Please help us guys.[/QUOTE]You don't get it, do you? ROFLMAO!

NO Ididnt get it, help would be appreciated, at least PM me the details.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1687309]You don't get it, do you? ROFLMAO![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1687315]NO Ididnt get it, help would be appreciated, at least PM me the details.[/QUOTE]PM coming. Stay tuned.

Just don't circulate the intel. Only intelligent people in this circle please.

Thank a lot for your time and for considerating my request @ Old New Guy.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687326]PM coming. Stay tuned.

Just don't circulate the intel. Only intelligent people in this circle please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1687327]Thank a lot for your time and for considerating my request @ Old New Guy.[/QUOTE]So sorry. I just re-thought about it, I won't be saying to anyone where the hot Russians are. This stuff is too precious to be shared, what would happen if anyone with mere 1,500 Bt could access this fountain of youth and pleasure. No, I won't allow that.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687330]So sorry. I just re-thought about it, I won't be saying to anyone where the hot Russians are. This stuff is too precious to be shared, what would happen if anyone with mere 1,500 Bt could access this fountain of youth and pleasure. No, I won't allow that.[/QUOTE]I urge being discreet here, agree with your decision, lest with the ongoing raids this place too gets shut down! ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE=AmaBondSx;1687306]Bought sidegra 100 4 tablets, Thai viagra, from pharmacy on WS 350 baht and Soi 6 300 baht. Official looking but didn't work at all. It was weird, 70%of the pharmacies didn't carry it and looked at me funny like I was breaking the law or something. I would never buy something like this from street vendors because I know it is fake but from pharmacies? Can anyone shed some light on this?[/QUOTE]You are right that most pharmacies don't carry it but we must understand that these are family pharmacies even if they are close to P4 P. Correct price is like 200 Bt.

I bought a pack recently, and the first take (half tablet) was certainly very effective, and then less and less until to no effect. Per Thai standards no matter where you buy stuff you never know what are you getting.

As for the V, most of the guys I know prefer the Kamagra (sp?) jelly. I usually have to bring back several boxes of 50 for my buddies. I get them from a friend who works at Nevada (Soi 13/2 about 50 ft East of beach Rd) only because she pays about half of what I do. In Latin America my cost would be the Gringo Price. She gets them for me for about 1200 Bhat per box of 50 - so less than $1 a pop. They are equivalent to 100 MG & very fast acting. Anyway, food for thought.

The other comment I wanted to make was about the Ago-go Nevada. It's taken some bad press here in the past but it's my favorite hang-out. Very convenient, just East of Beach Rd, 2 minutes to the Marriott, the Mall & Starbucks. They open at 1 PM, often have totally nude dancers. Normal range of 4-8's depending on your taste. The mamsan is a doll. She is very pretty (not available by the rules) and will help with just about anything & has a great personality. Prices for upstairs ST & for LT are on par with others or a bit lower. Drink prices and LDs are very reasonable. The gals are friendly and touchable. The music is old time rock & roll & not real loud. Seems like it's most often visited by old ex-pats but I'm getting close to that too so it's not an issue with me. Bottom line. I been around the world many times. And once in a heavy sea. And it remains my favorite.

I usually visit Pattaya 3-4 times a year & visit Nevada almost every day. I'll be back for 2-1/2 weeks starting late April 10th. Anybody want to meet up, PM me.

/ dddick.

I really don't understand why guys want fuck Russian girls in Pattaya or Bangkok for that matter. Go to Dubai if you want the cream of Russian talent. Russian girls in Pattaya are usually those who can't find takers elsewhere.

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1687225]Hey guys, I want to know that is there any good place in Pattaya for fucking Russian Girls. I tried Galaxy last time but it was only a strip / erotic show. Please don't tell me to go to russia or ukraine. I want in pattaya!! Hope you guys guide me. I am planning to be there in a weeks time!![/QUOTE]

Went to Pattaya today to check out the Beach Road after a long absence. The crap trinket market is covering the entire length of Beach Road, has predictably chased away most of the working girls, and even made walking difficult / unpleasant. By some posters (in Thai! I surmise it will last from Feb 26-March 1.

Is there a schedule online of these markets / events so I can avoid one next time? It's quite bummer as it entirely changes the dynamic of the city. I guess Pattaya Music Festival (March 20-22) is one to avoid, but it would be nice to have a comprehensive list.

BTW, I ended up taking a walk around 2nd road, and pussy is certainly no longer the central driver of Pattaya's economy. Disgusting to see all the manufactured tourist-trap attractions. Only short 10 years ago that area was almost entirely focused around mongers, and in 10 years, if things continue at this rate, we'll be hiding in the shadows.

[QUOTE=AmaBondSx;1687306]Bought sidegra 100 4 tablets, Thai viagra, from pharmacy on WS 350 baht and Soi 6 300 baht. Official looking but didn't work at all. It was weird, 70%of the pharmacies didn't carry it and looked at me funny like I was breaking the law or something. I would never buy something like this from street vendors because I know it is fake but from pharmacies? Can anyone shed some light on this?[/QUOTE]

Odd, Sidegra always consistently worked for me (about 10 boxes so far). I buy from a Bangkok pharmacy in a non-monger area.

The correct price is 180 baht for 4 x100 MG box, and 100 baht for 4 x50 MG box, the rest is markup. Seems like they got even more greedy and didn't even bother putting the right stuff in the box. One thing I'd suggest is looking in pharmacies well out of monger areas.

Attached is what the genuine packaging looks like. Did the box look like in the picture and have the transparent strip on the side?

As an aside, do you mind telling how exactly did Sidegra fail for you? Did you get enough physical stimulation (say, a blowjob or handjob), but still could not get hard?

Viagra and generics (based on Sildenafil Citrate) do not increase your sexual drive in any way, they do not make you more excited or eager for sex in any way. They basically physically keep the blood inside the penis once you do get erect (but it still takes some physical or psychological stimulation). It also takes longer for the erection it to subside, so if you get de-stimulated (say, your partner saying or doing something decidedly unsexy), you won't go limp quickly, it would take time. In other words, they're physical erection medicines, not libido stimulators.

Important point is that the time for the pill to take effect is 30-60 min (longer if you had a large meal). It won't just work immediately or instantly. The effects should last for at 4h or so, maybe slightly longer depending on your metabolism.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687330]So sorry. I just re-thought about it, I won't be saying to anyone where the hot Russians are. This stuff is too precious to be shared, what would happen if anyone with mere 1,500 Bt could access this fountain of youth and pleasure. No, I won't allow that.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is best to stop bullshiting others about things that don't exist in Pattaya. Or better yet, just stop posting!

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1687442]I really don't understand why guys want fuck Russian girls in Pattaya or Bangkok for that matter. Go to Dubai if you want the cream of Russian talent. Russian girls in Pattaya are usually those who can't find takers elsewhere.[/QUOTE]To Mumbai.

Why not fly to Moscow or go to Kiev you get the cream of the crop there from the source, why even go to Dubai and overpaid for the Russian there you can also get nice Russian girl in Bejing and Macau for much cheaper than Dubai.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1687501]Yes, it is best to stop bullshiting others about things that don't exist in Pattaya. Or better yet, just stop posting![/QUOTE]Hey, chill now (smile).

You made clear already that you're a very smart person with a great sense of humor.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1687470]Odd, Sidegra always consistently worked for me (about 10 boxes so far). I buy from a Bangkok pharmacy in a non-monger area.

The correct price is 180 baht for 4 x100 MG box, and 100 baht for 4 x50 MG box, the rest is markup. Seems like they got even more greedy and didn't even bother putting the right stuff in the box. One thing I'd suggest is looking in pharmacies well out of monger areas.

Attached is what the genuine packaging looks like. Did the box look like in the picture and have the transparent strip on the side?

As an aside, do you mind telling how exactly did Sidegra fail for you? Did you get enough physical stimulation (say, a blowjob or handjob), but still could not get hard...[/QUOTE]Understand wait period. Didn't work because light or moderate stimulation gets me hard. I also get a stuffy nose and sometimes a light flushing in the face for about 10 minutes. When was last time you bought sidegra?

[QUOTE=DanDDick;1687401]As for the V, most of the guys I know prefer the Kamagra (sp?) jelly. I usually have to bring back several boxes of 50 for my buddies. I get them from a friend who works at Nevada (Soi 13/2 about 50 ft East of beach Rd) only because she pays about half of what I do. In Latin America my cost would be the Gringo Price. She gets them for me for about 1200 Bhat per box of 50 - so less than $1 a pop. They are equivalent to 100 MG & very fast acting. Anyway, food for thought.[/QUOTE]2nd Road / Soi 15 or 16 just shortly before south pat Road, the pharmacy is about 20 meters in from 2nd Road on the left. Box of kamagra bt1500.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1687467]Only short 10 years ago that area was almost entirely focused around mongers, and in 10 years, if things continue at this rate, we'll be hiding in the shadows.[/QUOTE]I think it should be clear to everybody that this is the case already now. For sure I won't be here in 10 years and not even in 2. I've chosen to come here again just to stay away from the cold and bullshit of my home country for a while. It would have been certainly better if I had gone somewhere else, swam and worked out instead of wasting my nights looking for something that doesn't exist anymore. On the other hand I got what I paid for and I have no regrets.

For some reason even Walking Street is getting emptied these days, the usual places were almost deserted yesterday.

I am planning another good time trip to Pattaya. But if Pattaya is getting so bad is it the time of the year? Or is it just morfing into a so so mongering environment? I am a relative newbie to the Pattaya scene the last few years and always had a good time.

But talking to some old-timers that tell me stories of the way it used to be 10-20 years ago, the stories are incredible and almost hard to believe. Anyway, I look forward to my one fun trip a year and my question is.

If Pattaya is not the mongering jewel of the world for price, quality and quantity, then could someone tell me where I should go and spend my hard earned money for a good time based on price, quality and quantity.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687742]I think it should be clear to everybody that this is the case already now. For sure I won't be here in 10 years and not even in 2. I've chosen to come here again just to stay away from the cold and bullshit of my home country for a while. It would have been certainly better if I had gone somewhere else, swam and worked out instead of wasting my nights looking for something that doesn't exist anymore. On the other hand I have no regrets.

For some reason even Walking Street is getting emptied these days, the usual places were almost deserted yesterday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1687751]If Pattaya is not the mongering jewel of the world for price, quality and quantity, then could someone tell me where I should go and spend my hard earned money for a good time based on price, quality and quantity.[/QUOTE]A lot depends on how much your earned money is. If $200 or more a day I see no issue, you can stay in the best hotels, be driven anywhere, pick the best girls and bear any barfine (pretty girls are only at go-go's now). The same $200 wouldn't be much for a regular holiday anywhere else.

It's when one looks for value that things (women) gets ugly.

Was in Pattaya for 3 nights. Arrived around 7 PM on Friday and hit BR rightaway. Surpringly there were lots of girls, not as many as previous year but a lot more than I saw 3 mobths ago. Found at least two that were pretty food tomy eyes, 700 and 500 bahts for an hour at my hotel.

Pretty good deals but among 350 or so girls thst I saw, almost all were well below my acceptable level.

WS had about a dozen but wearing heavy makeup. Very few Russian Tourists, quite a few farangs and Chinese busloads. Not that many Indians but Arabs wete everywhere.

During next two nights the nbers went down. Surprisingly on sat night it was a poor scrne till 10 pm. May be about 200 girls. But horrible quality. Saw 2/3 onlh thst I would go worh very reluctantly. Asked at least 4 girls about a MFF threesome and they all shied away.

Thos is not the Pattaya I experienced in previous years. Looks like we have max 3 more years left before this place will becone a place in monger history.

Just back from a stint in Pattaya and dropped by an ole watering hole on Soi Six for a few cold ones. Met a lovely WG from Chang Mai and was told the rooms upstairs are now off limits due to Five-O.

Shame as the rooms at the "Dot" were very clean and with some decor rather than walking across the street to a hotel dive you rent the room by the hour for ST.

Anyways she was awesome, real GFE and BBBJ and full sweaty action.

Wonder when the Soi will have rooms upstairs opened again, hope soon.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1687844]
Thos is not the Pattaya I experienced in previous years. Looks like we have max 3 more years left before this place will becone a place in monger history.[/QUOTE]This had been said on this and other forums for years and years, and I still think there will be *some* action to be had, also 15-20 years from now.

But I do believe you!

If we talk about Pattaya as a *Big adult fantasyland*, then Pattaya is changing for the worse.

And that it will keep changing faster ahead. Add to that, it's not the p4 p tourists that brings in the big money anymore.

With the crackdowns on the darkside, and beachroad turning mainstream, and even the places beyond second road getting more and more upscale / polished, there seems that the days where p4 p tourists where kings, Is in the past.

Don't cry no tears for Pattaya thou, as the city will do well with other types of tourists. Probably alot better than with stingy mongers. And also to remember, Asia is big. Really Big. And flights is cheap and easy also.

When one place goes away, 2 other smaller emerges. Cambodia would probably be a better choice for most nowdays.

So remember all the good times with a happy heart and move on to other hunting grounds.

That's exactly what man has been doing since stoneage. And hunters we are.

Happy hunting, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1687751]I am planning another good time trip to Pattaya. But if Pattaya is getting so bad is it the time of the year? Or is it just morfing into a so so mongering environment? I am a relative newbie to the Pattaya scene the last few years and always had a good time.

But talking to some old-timers that tell me stories of the way it used to be 10-20 years ago, the stories are incredible and almost hard to believe. Anyway, I look forward to my one fun trip a year and my question is.

If Pattaya is not the mongering jewel of the world for price, quality and quantity, then could someone tell me where I should go and spend my hard earned money for a good time based on price, quality and quantity.[/QUOTE]Angeles City.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1687844]Was in Pattaya for 3 nights. Arrived around 7 PM on Friday and hit BR rightaway. Surpringly there were lots of girls, not as many as previous year but a lot more than I saw 3 mobths ago. Found at least two that were pretty food tomy eyes, 700 and 500 bahts for an hour at my hotel.

Pretty good deals but among 350 or so girls thst I saw, almost all were well below my acceptable level.

WS had about a dozen but wearing heavy makeup. Very few Russian Tourists, quite a few farangs and Chinese busloads. Not that many Indians but Arabs wete everywhere.

During next two nights the nbers went down. Surprisingly on sat night it was a poor scrne till 10 pm. May be about 200 girls. But horrible quality. Saw 2/3 onlh thst I would go worh very reluctantly. Asked at least 4 girls about a MFF threesome and they all shied away.

Thos is not the Pattaya I experienced in previous years. Looks like we have max 3 more years left before this place will become a place in monger history.[/QUOTE]I live here. I hope they clean up beach road and yes maybe in 2-3 years it will be clean of working girls. But there will still be literally thousands of beer bars, Gentlemans clubs, massage parlours, gogo bars and discos. Moving the mongering destination of the cheapest of Charlie's out of the most public location in Pattaya to behind closed doors can only be a good thing.

[QUOTE=Cusland;1688056]I live here. I hope they clean up beach road and yes maybe in 2-3 years it will be clean of working girls. But there will still be literally thousands of beer bars, Gentlemans clubs, massage parlours, gogo bars and discos. Moving the mongering destination of the cheapest of Charlie's out of the most public location in Pattaya to behind closed doors can only be a good thing.[/QUOTE]I think you're missing the fact that the Beach road ladies not do want to work for anyone, and honestly do not even have the qualities to attract anyone behind closed doors, with all the related expenses. They are just catering to the low end of the market in a casual, self-regulated environment that is mostly free of pimping and exploitation. Take that away and Pattaya will have made another step backward.

The Pattaya of old is still there you just need to go away from the tourist area.

Ideas to start your day with:

For earlier bird, the little beer bar on the front of the Blues factory (Walking street) is flush with choice free lance, however the pickings are pretty much finished by 9:30 10-ish so get there early.

# breakfast at the Golf Club on Metro, I know $$ but it is pretty good quality!

# Second stop the message shops across from Triangle to help digest Breakfast -3 hole service-.

# slowly make your way over to Soi-6 Jomtien to Yellow message for a pre-lunch rub and shag.

# grab a bite at the American Burgers Kiosk just down the beach.

# slowly make your way to the top of Soi 6 Pattaya and hit Bee Bar, They'll Blow ya by the pool table and even bang ya in the WC, or if ya really want the touch-E feel-E you can head up stairs for 500 baht either or are up to the task.

# Welkom in Soi 2 always a good watering hole and give you time to negotiate the price to an amicable rate.

# Back to the triangle area for drinks a couple places to choose from with specials every day.

# Later around 10-ish at night hit buffalo or the freelance at the front of walking street beach side.

# They do have some other Expat clubs up on the hill between Jomtien and Pattaya (over in Scanda-hoolagin land) but forgot the names. One has an over priced buffet that you don't eat and is subsequently taken off your bill don't be surprised by it. BUT they have great wealth of quality poon at an Expat price. You'll just have to chat with a couple expats to finds the location.

This is what happens as you get older, your memory is stuck on faded events and happy endings, you get more ridged and fussy. They are correct in some respects but very unrealistic in others, these guys are also a great source of information but what they say needs to be taken with a grain of salt. What is more important is you learn from the old boys about how to spend your vacation $$$ . That lesson is called "Don't be a two week millionaire".

The game is the same, nothing has changed. Just enjoy, I'm coming in to town in a couple weeks can't wait!

Hope this helped?

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1687751]I am planning another good time trip to Pattaya. But if Pattaya is getting so bad is it the time of the year? Or is it just morfing into a so so mongering environment? I am a relative newbie to the Pattaya scene the last few years and always had a good time.

But talking to some old-timers that tell me stories of the way it used to be 10-20 years ago, the stories are incredible and almost hard to believe. Anyway, I look forward to my one fun trip a year and my question is.

If Pattaya is not the mongering jewel of the world for price, quality and quantity, then could someone tell me where I should go and spend my hard earned money for a good time based on price, quality and quantity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1688109]I think you're missing the fact that the Beach road ladies not do want to work for anyone, and honestly do not even have the qualities to attract anyone behind closed doors, with all the related expenses. They are just catering to the low end of the market in a self-regulated environment that is mostly free of pimping and exploitation. Take that away and Pattaya will have made another step backward.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with Cuslan as this clean up of riff raff are WG who are not controlled for medical check ups and often are the cause from stories heard over and over of someone being taken advantage of. Not all the girls on beach road fall into this category but many do.

I personally like the option to be able to return to a mamasan if some issue does arise. It's like having the ability of customer feedback.

I am three months away from my first Thailand (Pattaya) trip and I am wondering if the reports of a severe decline in quality is true. Is this just a case where veteran mongers who know what things were like in 2005 see a shocking decline but a newcomer (me) wouldn't know the difference or would a newbie be disappointed to?

Also to those who've been to both countries - how does Cambodia compare to Thailand when it comes to mongering (GFE, costs, safety, fun, etc.)?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1688121]I am three months away from my first Thailand (Pattaya) trip and I am wondering if the reports of a severe decline in quality is true. Is this just a case where veteran mongers who know what things were like in 2005 see a shocking decline but a newcomer (me) wouldn't know the difference or would a newbie be disappointed to?

Also to those who've been to both countries - how does Cambodia compare to Thailand when it comes to mongering (GFE, costs, safety, fun, etc.)?[/QUOTE]As the Nike slogan says, Just do it.

Don't worry about what you heard, come experience for yourself. Even the naysayers always seem to come back.

My preference is Thailand over Cambodia but then again experience them both and make up your own mind.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1688109]I think you're missing the fact that the Beach road ladies not do want to work for anyone, and honestly do not even have the qualities to attract anyone behind closed doors, with all the related expenses. They are just catering to the low end of the market in a casual, self-regulated environment that is mostly free of pimping and exploitation. Take that away and Pattaya will have made another step backward.[/QUOTE]You missed my point. I was only pointing out that Pattaya will still be an unbelievable mongering destination. Even if they get rid of the beach road hookers. As for the other discussions. Cambodia vs Pattaya. It's not even the same sport. Cambodia is amateur in comparison.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1688121]I am three months away from my first Thailand (Pattaya) trip and I am wondering if the reports of a severe decline in quality is true. Is this just a case where veteran mongers who know what things were like in 2005 see a shocking decline but a newcomer (me) wouldn't know the difference or would a newbie be disappointed to?

Also to those who've been to both countries - how does Cambodia compare to Thailand when it comes to mongering (GFE, costs, safety, fun, etc.)?[/QUOTE]It's not a matter of newbie or veteran, anyone can recognize the ugly women with which you don't want to be, not even free. I think I have said before, if you have good money (or no taste), you'll be OK.

Cambodia is another planet from Thailand. Most "civilized" people doesn't like it. You can take a side trip to see yourself.

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1687751]some old-timers that tell me stories of the way it used to be 10-20 years ago, the stories are incredible and almost hard to believe. [/QUOTE]It changed so much I'm having trouble believing my very own memories on how it was only 5-10 years ago, I keep thinking it couldn't have possibly been THAT much better. However, I do have records and photos to remind myself.

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1687751]If Pattaya is not the mongering jewel of the world for price, quality and quantity, then could someone tell me where I should go and spend my hard earned money for a good time based on price, quality and quantity.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, bad news is that Pattaya, even in today's diminished state, is still probably the top place for mongering for price, quantity, ease of use (it matters!) and to some degree, friendly service (though by no means for quality of looks).

In Asia at least, no other places have gotten better, nor have the major new ones appeared. I had high hopes for Burma coming out, but doubt it now. Most of the previously good spots have turned markedly worse recently (Angeles City, parts of Kuala Lumpur, Udon Thani, Hat Yai, Dongguan you name it).

For me, Singapore (Geylang) is looking increasingly attractive. Not that it got any better, but it has huge variety, relatively low prices, good ease-of-use, but generally poor and hasty service. If non-GFE quickies do it for you, it's now competitive.

Maybe there are up-and-coming spots outside of Asia. I doubt it, but I'll defer to other mongers on that.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1687742]I think it should be clear to everybody that this is the case already now. For sure I won't be here in 10 years and not even in 2. I've chosen to come here again just to stay away from the cold and bullshit of my home country for a while. It would have been certainly better if I had gone somewhere else, swam and worked out instead of wasting my nights looking for something that doesn't exist anymore. On the other hand I got what I paid for and I have no regrets.

For some reason even Walking Street is getting emptied these days, the usual places were almost deserted yesterday.[/QUOTE]I, too, think its days are numbered. I won't be too disappointed because, IMHO, PTY had degenerated into loads of looky-lous and hard-core weirdos.

But, objectively, one has to wonder how much nonsense the Thais are willing to put up with. Pattaya has always had such in-you-face sleaze. It's an embarrassment to the Thais, in general. At some point, especially with a strong economy, I think folks are going to just say enough is enough.

This is SEA, and there will always be available women. But I do think the scene will go more behind closed doors, as it were. Perhaps much like things were before the US military came to town. :)

[QUOTE=Cusland;1688056]I live here. I hope they clean up beach road and yes maybe in 2-3 years it will be clean of working girls. But there will still be literally thousands of beer bars, Gentlemans clubs, massage parlours, gogo bars and discos. Moving the mongering destination of the cheapest of Charlie's out of the most public location in Pattaya to behind closed doors can only be a good thing.[/QUOTE]Nonsense. You can't move cheap Charlies into bars, because bars are a rip-off. The whole point of cheap Charlies is they want to fuck someone else, not get fucked.

I can remember getting great 3 hole service 'just as I liked it' for 300-500 baht back in the day (which was $8-12 in real money back then). In the 10-12 years since then prices have soared and service has plummeted. Now one gets virtually nothing in the way of service, and the price is, in dollar terms, something like $30-50. The point is we might as well not go to Pattaya anymore, its really not any better than DIY.

[QUOTE=Cusland;1688056]I live here. I hope they clean up beach road and yes maybe in 2-3 years it will be clean of working girls. But there will still be literally thousands of beer bars, Gentlemans clubs, massage parlours, gogo bars and discos. Moving the mongering destination of the cheapest of Charlie's out of the most public location in Pattaya to behind closed doors can only be a good thing.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but I had to laugh when I read this. I think the WGs on Beach Road are the least obvious form of P4 P in Pattaya. The thousands of beer bars, massage parlours and gogo bars (and the gentlemans clubs and discos in a lesser degree) with their scantily dressed girls and loud music are much more obvious P4 P and hardly behind closed doors. Compared to them the girls on Beach Road are keeping a much lower profile.

And to call Beach Road the mongering destination of the cheapest of Charlie's is also BS with all due respect. Of course there are cheap Charlie's among the punters who go there but in general I think punters go there because they don't like to waste their money in the beer bars and agogo's with their (too) high price tags.

A lot has been said already on this forum about the Beach Road girls. And I am the first to admit the quality has gone down over the years. And yes, there are junkies, alcoholics and HIV positives among them. But I think the majority of the Beach Road girls are just very normal girls: house wives, single moms, the occasional student and girls with a 'normal' job looking for some extra income. They are not on drugs, they don't drink much alcohol, they don't smoke and they are not night owls. It's about time they get the credit they deserve!

Sitting here in miserable old London and I can only lust for the Beach Road dollies, it is truly bizarre how for years many bemoan the quality of Beach Road. The essence of Beach Road is it's simplicity, it still beats all for a quick cheap shag versus the dross and fuss of beer bars. Really this issue for me is not debatable. Opinions will differ, however most will have pulled from the Beach Road, cheap charlie or not. Do I want Dolly hanging on my wallet once business has completed? Hell no!

Rather sit and hit my coldy before she gets warm, witness the couples eating in silence after all they have nothing in common, language asides.

I guess I'm an old hand now, only eleven days to go. Cannot wait to drool down Beach Road, I want them cheap, I look and feel like a million thanks to mom and pop, does this make me cheap charlie? Hell no, sensible I would say, only want to shag them, none else.

I have delayed some time in writing this, maybe because it gave on my balls a little.

The place is the most liked by the youngish, but it's absolutely unbearable to me and it's not a matter of age.

First of all, Thai girls (or women) tend to go there only when they have found company already, so depending on the time is not like there is an huge variety of free women. But there is a certain common cretinous attitude that I can't stand.

Second, not only shisha smoke but also their servers are asphyxiating, they are anywhere, all the time. Watch out as you walk or move around as leg burns and ruined trousers are a definite chance. After two hours there I had a robust cough the following day, call that a coincidence. Waiters also can't keep their place, one had the face to question as I was sipping to a lady-labelled bottle.

My experience was also made worse by wasting time after a drunk selfie taker that was unable to say WTF she wanted, but that was my fault only.

Some comments about myself, 55 yo caucasian, bald but not fat, well manored, first trip to Pty 2003, last was in 2012.

After arrival at SUV took bell travel at 1st floor to PTY, not having booked ahead had to wait 2 hours, OK no problem. Got a seat behind the driver, first surprise when talking to my neighbour the lady in charge for bell told us that our banter would distract the driver. Ok short break and then talking in low voice and less frequent. This compromise still did not please her she was definitly busy with studying some cosmetics catalogues and it was her who felt disturbed because the driver had no problem with having phone calls; so she approached us again in a even more rude way, telling us to stop talking. The rest of the journey was eventless for having a nap, thank you Bell travel, I expect this to be a single event.

The ladies:

What I liked in Pty are the beer bars, especially soi 7 and 8. While it was shooting fish in a barrel as stated here frequently business was slow, even slower as on my last trip. Worse, quality of the looks of the ladies dropped significantly beer bars with coyotes left aside. I would not fuss about not being called handsome man as in earlier years, but I appreciate some attention especially if it is a young cutie when passing by. This is very rare nowadays (no matter which hour) with the ladies being busy with make up, smartphone, eating or simply talking to eachother.

Had a drink at some places none of the ladies spoke more than a few words english this might be due to my preference for younger fresh girls instead of older, hardened heavily inked ones. At 11 pm decided to change the scene and have a look at soi 6.

Walked down from second road, left side has lots of LB, who I am not interested in, some bars were closed, don't know if because of the raid, finally settled on a place in the center of the soi, sat down with a lady with passable looks. Nit noi english spoken, no problem ST only, need a good sleep to get over the jetlag. BF? No problem although as you may guess I was not well known at this place, walked up two stairs inside the house (I mention this because of the raid discussion, BTW it was Feb. 18) no shower? OK, up to you, I don't fancy a shower at these places. Reasonable BBBJ and covered FS. In summary a little bit in a hurry and not that eager to please in former times had fantastic BBBJs. Would give her a friendly 7 in looks and 6 in performance.

I went there with the idea to find an option to take out for LT, what I prefer need somebody to take care of my morning wood.

Feb 19: Did the soi7 and 8 walk and finally settled with M. 36 yo the cups small and curvy sweetheart. BF 300, LT 1500,2 days and nights of GFE but I had to cut her loose because I would consider only at the end of my holidays staying longer with a lady I really like.

Feb 21: late afternoon took songthaew to soi 6, had a couple of drinks finally settling at O Bar. Met A. 36 yo body and face still OK would rate her a 7. Explained I was just having a look around and might come back later to pick up for LT. When she asked what time I had in mind told her after 11 pm and she asked why not 8 pm. Seems like she really wants to secure a customer, so deal was made for 500 BF and 2000 LT. Witthout going into details I spent an enjoyable night with a skilled lady although this was neither GFE nor PSE.

Feb 22:8 pm have a look at WS, first beergarden and barcomplex at boxing ring slow, nothing of interest, other barcomplex on the saside dito. Now I want to see some cuties Gogo time.

Have to keep it brief, staying in PNH now and memories are fading away a little bit. Went through 6 Gogos, a few stunners but a lot of 5 and 6 you would not expect in a Gogo. It was all there nude dancing topless, showershow, but often duing the Bangkok shuffle only looking uninspired in the mirrors. Not one pushy mamasan or waitress only some ladies inviting themselfs and being politely denied a LD. Very rarely I would offer a drink if there has not been some kind of spark before, be it giving me some looks and smiles or a good show. This just did not happen with an attractive girl, these being dolled up often (I prefer undied straight long hair), especiallly interested in asian clients. On the other hand why pay gogo pricess for some average lady? Finally went to the hotel alone no problem there are other nights coming.

During the rest of my stay barfined 2 gogo girls from LK Metro.

Sunny at Oscars was introduced by a waitress the place being still quiet at 7 pm, witty reasonable english for being quite fresh 1000 BF (after 12 pm reduced to 800) + 3000 LT. Although being part of the dolled up category what a body young, slim, no babies, be cup -I had to do her. As you might have guessed, this was not a very steamy night although she did BBBJ etc. When asked I prefer a little bit more initiative. Repeating the day after I thought there would be some improvment for being a little bit more comfortable. But this was really not her night. At 10 pm she felt sick at least she told me so. Well I took care of her not joking years ago a BKK lady did this for me when I had food poisoning, but in the morning she still was not up for bum bum. Explained her I would not pay 3000 for one session she left with 2000 without an argument.

Sarah 29 yo from destiny (if I remember correct, gogo was the very last at the right side of Office) definitly looked diffrent being 50% falang and that was what attracted me to her. She told me is in the business since 1 month. 700 BF + 2000 LT at 11 pm. Obviously I had to take the lead beginning with improving her BJ skills. After CFS in diffrent positions she asked me why it took so long. Hmm in hindsight I would have guessed it was about 30 min intercourse, so I asked her if she did not have a lot of customers yet.

You second customer".

And how long did it take with the other one?

2 minutes".

Aaah he was japanese then?

Blank look How do you know".

I told her there is still a lot for her to learn in her new career.

In the morning her still sleeping I had a smoke on balcony and coming back she was in the shower. Instead of emerging wearing a towel she was completly dressed, now I had the blank look. WTF? After explaining her that LT significates a mornig session she willingly got naked and a nice session. Well it was just for the change would give her a 6 in looks and 6 for performance with a bonus for long nose and innocence.

Summary it is all still there but the bustling atmosphere and to find the right package takes more time and effort. On the other hand when Lbs look sexier then maybe it is time to move on and that is what I do. I agree, prices have increased but compared with other posts I got a bargain with the gogos, BTW 2000 was Sarahs suggestion. Being low season you should be able to settle a reasonable price as well like 3000 LT for a gogo.

Staying in Pnomh Penh right now and will move to Siem Reap March 4th. Somebody wants to meet there for a drink just pm me.

S.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1688435]
And to call Beach Road the mongering destination of the cheapest of Charlie's is also BS with all due respect. Of course there are cheap Charlie's among the punters who go there but in general I think punters go there because they don't like to waste their money in the beer bars and agogo's with their (too) high price tags.

A lot has been said already on this forum about the Beach Road girls. And I am the first to admit the quality has gone down over the years. And yes, there are junkies, alcoholics and HIV positives among them. But I think the majority of the Beach Road girls are just very normal girls: house wives, single moms, the occasional student and girls with a 'normal' job looking for some extra income. They are not on drugs, they don't drink much alcohol, they don't smoke and they are not night owls. It's about time they get the credit they deserve![/QUOTE]Mogwai I can only agree and although I did not partake there were some good looking FL during the festival. Would describe them as not hardened semis smelling business, maybe some opportunities for guys interested.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1688480]I have delayed some time in writing this, maybe because it gave on my balls a little.

The place is the most liked by the youngish, but it's absolutely unbearable to me and it's not a matter of age.

First of all, Thai girls (or women) tend to go there only when they have found company already, so depending on the time is not like there is an huge variety of free women. But there is a certain common cretinous attitude that I can't stand.[/QUOTE]Concerning ibar I would beg to differ. I can't comment on your experience because that is personal to you. But the fact is that not many people who are already coupled up enter any of the discos on Walking Street. Most go in single or in a group of their friends in order to either party or look for someone for the night. I would go as far as to say that ibar has the youngest crowd overall though. That being the case I would also assert that the younger women who go there are not looking for men their father's or grandfather's age, but someone who is closer to them in age. I have not really seen any 20 year old women with 60 year old guys there as you would find in a beer bar or agogo. Not many 60 year old guys could stand the music and party atmosphere there anyway. As far as the shisha, that is rampant in all of the clubs these days so it is not exclusive to ibar.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1688532]Not many 60 year old guys could stand the music and party atmosphere there anyway. As far as the shisha, that is rampant in all of the clubs these days so it is not exclusive to ibar.[/QUOTE]Interestingly, Marine disco with its "house music" always have many older folks at 4 am. Also, WS pub and Marine are 100% shisha free.

Addendum to Day 1. To the right of Oasis Night Club near LK Metro, I was approached by the same time share girl from 2 years ago. She asked me to go to a different presentation for an hour so she could get 1 K baht. I wanted to help her so I went. She took me on her motorbike to A+ properties. The short of the presentation was $7 K USD for 120 days at their 5* resort. The amazing part was while I was waiting for the car ride back, I asked the receptionist out to lunch the next day & she surprisingly said yes.

Day 2 Met up with the receptionist at Central Festival for lunch at Fuji but I took her to the Hilton buffet. She took me on her motorbike for a little sightseeing to the Pattaya sign & the big Budda. It was super hot so we went for a 2 hour Thai massage. Then a lite dinner & movie at Central Festival & back to my room to watch TV. We showered and were in bed naked but she would not do BBBJ so I asked her to leave. Many other fish in the ocean! I paid for lunch, massage & movie but ass & tit grabbing were free. Fun day.

Day 6 massage in afternoon just outside walking place. Highly recommended, no extras, very professional. I plan to return daily. AmexSPG walked his ISG diciples to Soi 6 for a fantastic free birthday buffet. I saw they had Fireball so I lady drink shots w / 3 girls tipping extra 20 baht each & 20 baht for the bartender each round. Free food included roast pork, great chicken wings, and sausage. Probably spent just over 1 K baht but the free food was great! Then the surprise. The last girl who was DFK me, invited me to drink free from their bottle outside. I did two shots with her & tipped 140 baht and told her we had to leave to meet others for dinner.

AMEXSPG's gang met up at the Beer Garden just outside walking street. Decent food at modest prices but night view of the bay is amazing. Definitely recommended. After dinner the gang was off to go-go hopping. Beach Club, Gentleman's Club, Peppermint, Baccara, Happy. All the places had great looking girls but I like the raunchy so I want to go to Windmill or something.

Days 4 to 10 were a blur of late night partying with AMEXSPG at go-gos, I-bar, mid day breakfast / lunches, and many massages to try to reduce the extreme back pain from 2 to 4 sessions per day. Every trip is my last but I will be in Pattaya March 18 to 24 for the Pattaya Music Festival, March 20-22. Please PM to meet up!

I like the raunchy so this girl was perfect for me. Late night pick from Insomnia, 3 hole, took it like a champ. 1 K short time was fine for me as I'm not a fan of the LT. I would repeat.

For those first timers to Pattaya, look for many balloons outside a bar especially on Soi 6 but also on Walking street. It will be somebody's birthday or the establishment's anniversary and there will be a good amount of free food. The girls will all be in a good mood and dressed up too. It's enough for a lite dinner just be kind and tip if they are serving you. I love it when they are roasting a pig right in front of the bar. Sometimes there will be karaoke or dancing but a good time is virtually assured!

Yes, 3 hole service can be found on Beach Road but it can be difficult. I estimate only 1 in 20 will agree to it and charge a premium. They typically ask 1 K baht ST and sometimes I offer 700 or 800 plus tip for good service and sometimes I just say ok. These two girls were great service providers. All in for 1 K ST. Mai pen rai.

No text needed.

This girl was a great 3 hole provider for me (in Nov 2014) that I even repeated a few nights later for 1 K ST. For me, she was fun and kept saying "what the fuk? All the time even while I was fucking her hard up the ass. She is a small girl but can be tough. A friend took her after me and had a bad experience so just a warning that the same girl can be great for some but a nightmare for others.

Yes, extra services are available at massage shops. I am really happy when I find a great massage person to give a fantastic 200 baht 1 hour massage and tip 100 or sometimes even 200 baht just for a great massage. However, extra services are available at many shops if there are curtains separating the massage areas. You can definitely get the vibe before going in. Ask directly for what you want and be sure to say something like total price including massage or they might charge you more. So say something like "massage & smoke (BBBJ) for 500, ok?" If not they might charge you 500 for smoke (BBBJ) plus 200 for the massage. I have had a great slutty oil massage / BBBJ / FS for 800 baht at a massage place close to Triangle Bar past LK Metro. Something like Aree Massage. Just walk around. Many places in that area to have fun for an hour or more. I even went back with a bottle of whiskey and snacks and had a small party with the girls a few days later (in Nov 2014).

Leave to AMEXSPG to find the great spots. His late night pickup from Insomnia works at Toilet Bar someplace on Second Road. There are cute girls with limited English ability and barfine for 300 baht. I took one long time that gave 2 great sessions before and after partying at I-bar but didn't give a morning session so 1 K for her. Mai Pen Rai.

Be in Pattaya soon want to visit my club near third road but hard to find directions anyone been there can help give easy directions from endorse. Soi xcite on third road?

Thanks

Can anyone tell me how to getting Kinaree club in Jomtien from second road in Pattaya I can't figure it out from any map thanks for any help.

For those of you interested, the vendors stalls on Beach road have been removed from one end to the other. Just arrived today and noticed how nice it would be for a stroll or hunting.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1688828]Be in Pattaya soon want to visit my club near third road but hard to find directions anyone been there can help give easy directions from endorse. Soi xcite on third road? [/QUOTE]Soi Xcite is directly across from 3rd road Soi 18,7/11 and Bliss Lounge.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1688842]Can anyone tell me how to getting Kinaree club in Jomtien from second road in Pattaya I can't figure it out from any map thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]It is on Pratumnak Hill (off Soi 4) not really in Jomtien. Not on the official baht bus route so you should hire a songthaew or a motor bike taxi. Hope this helps.

[URL]http://www.jomtiennightlife.com/kinnaree-place/[/URL]

Will be in Pattaya. Early. May for 3 weeks and would appreciate. Any recommendations. For a. Nice room near to beach. Road from walking. Street up to Soi 7 in the 500 to 800 baht per night range clean room nice bed and good shower with balcony. If possible its a lot to asking know but if you have stayed there recently I would appreciate. Your help if you are there from 13 may till 5 June maybe can have few drinks and rate some bars or go go together thanks. For replies how is situation. In Soi 6 regards to short time rooms. In bars there? Any. Signs of normality yet?

[QUOTE=Broxy;1688828]Be in Pattaya soon want to visit my club near third road but hard to find directions anyone been there can help give easy directions from endorse. Soi xcite on third road? Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1689073]Soi Xcite is directly across from 3rd road Soi 18,7/11 and Bliss Lounge.[/QUOTE]"My Club," is that the name of it? I pass by there frequently. Don't recall a club there, restaurants, hair salons in that area. Whats so good about it?

Some time ago, someone was asking about good steakhouses in Pattaya. Found a good one last night. Steak & Co on Soi Lengkee, between Soi Buakhao and 3rd road. They serve Australian Steaks: Black Angus and Wagyu cuts. The Rib-eyes come in 8.8oz (260g,) 14oz (400g). 21oz, (600g) T-bone and Porterhouse is available too. I had a very flavorful, perfectly grilled 8.8 oz rib-eye last night. The crab avocado salad was awesome too. Walking in, I was not expecting a dining experience. The lemon Italian ice between the salad and the steak, to cleanse the palate was a nice touch. Someone has put some effort into this place.
It's a small restaurant, with soft jazz music playing in the background. The house red wine was good too. The wait staff is very attentive. Prices are reasonable too. My tab came out to $34 USD. :) There are some more items on the menu I want to try. I'll return. Highly recommend this place.

[URL]http://www.steakcopattaya.com/[/URL]

NO LIQUOR SALES TOMORROW. It's a National Buddha Holiday. Buy today, what you want to drink tomorrow.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1689338]
NO LIQUOR SALES TOMORROW. It's a National Buddha Holiday. Buy today, what you want to drink tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I think this is an alcoholics site instead of a mongers site, LOL!

No offense Java Man, don't take it personally. It's just that it strikes me that alcohol seems to be even more important than pussy for many members here.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1689330]"My Club," is that the name of it? I pass by there frequently. Don't recall a club there, restaurants, hair salons in that area. Whats so good about it?[/QUOTE]Sorry for typo I meant to say M. Club its supposed to be near to bliss lounge. But for the life of me I can't find it but according. To map its very near to bliss lounge thanks.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1689352]Sometimes I think this is an alcoholics site instead of a mongers site, LOL!No offense Java Man, don't take it personally. It's just that it strikes me that alcohol seems to be even more important than pussy for many members here.[/QUOTE]None taken. I'm a lite drinker myself, unless I chose to drink heavily. :cool: Along with the NO Alcohol sales tomorrow. Bars, clubs, and gogos will BE CLOSED. :eek: A local told me Beach Rd turns into a BYOB fest tomorrow evening. BTW, booze and pussgy go well together. :D

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1689338]Some time ago, someone was asking about good steakhouses in Pattaya. Found a good one last night. Steak & Co on Soi Lengkee, between Soi Buakhao and 3rd road. They serve Australian Steaks: Black Angus and Wagyu cuts. The Rib-eyes come in 8.8oz (260g,) 14oz (400g). 21oz, (600g) T-bone and Porterhouse is available too. I had a very flavorful, perfectly grilled 8.8 oz rib-eye last night. The crab avocado salad was awesome too. Walking in, I was not expecting a dining experience. The lemon Italian ice between the salad and the steak, to cleanse the palate was a nice touch. Someone has put some effort into this place.
It's a small restaurant, with soft jazz music playing in the background. The house red wine was good too. The wait staff is very attentive. Prices are reasonable too. My tab came out to $34 USD. :) There are some more items on the menu I want to try. I'll return. Highly recommend this place.

[URL]http://www.steakcopattaya.com/[/URL]



NO LIQUOR SALES TOMORROW. It's a National Buddha Holiday. Buy today, what you want to drink tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Pipe and I tried this place a few months ago, he has eaten here before, was my first. I must say the decor and the food were both really good. I think it's cheaper than Beefeater but not by much. I could not really say which place served a better steak.

Hit Beach Road last night with two other buddies and the following is a summary of our collective observations.

Best selection between the hours of 7:30 PM and 9:30 PM with a lot of the better girls gone by 9:30 PM.

Higher density of girls from Walking Street to the Hilton Hotel.

Pricing for ST ranged from 500 to 800 Baht with the prettier girls only offering ST.

Pricing for LT ranged from 1,300 to 2,000 Baht.

Besides the above a lot of the girls were either very shy or did not want to make eye contact or engage some of the men who smiled at them when walking by.

I also noticed what I call a "failed negotiation". One out of shape guy who appeared drunk couldn't get a hot looking one to go with him. I suspect the girl wanted nothing to do with him so quoted him a ridiculous price.

There also appeared to be some lady boys mixed in as well.

Not speaking Thai was problematic for the three of us in dealing with some of the girls who did not speak English. I had too reject two girls because of this.

One friend took a hottie for ST at 800 Baht.

My other friend took one for LT 2,000 Baht.

I was the budget fucker and took one for LT 1,300 but gave a 300 Baht tip for being a performer.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1689364]Sorry for typo I meant to say M. Club its supposed to be near to bliss lounge. But for the life of me I can't find it but according. To map its very near to bliss lounge thanks.[/QUOTE]I would actually avoid the M Club for the time being.

[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/798592-police-raid-on-m-club-foreigners-arrested/[/URL]

I had dinner at the Steak company tonight. The Black Angus steak was quite good as was the overall ambience. I ordered a lobster bisque for a starter but did not like the taste as I found it too salty. The owner, Yuri, who is from the Ukraine , noticed I gave it back to the waitress and came over to say he would not charge me.

Since this thread is about mongering, let me add that the Devils Den is about a five minute walk from here situated on LK Metro street. I plan to go soon and will provide a report. Not much recent info on the board about this well known institution.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1689397]Pipe and I tried this place a few months ago, he has eaten here before, was my first. I must say the decor and the food were both really good. I think it's cheaper than Beefeater but not by much. I could not really say which place served a better steak.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Danubius;1689552]I would actually avoid the M Club for the time being.[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/798592-police-raid-on-m-club-foreigners-arrested/[/URL][/QUOTE]Old News, that link is almost a month old. They paid a hefty fine and opened about a week later. Like Soi 6 bars, on premise activities no longer offered. Take out only. I'm staying nearby, and stop in regularly for a night cap. No problems.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1689364]Sorry for typo I meant to say M. Club its supposed to be near to bliss lounge. But for the life of me I can't find it but according. To map its very near to bliss lounge thanks.[/QUOTE]Keep walking north from Bliss, it's off Soi 14. There's a sign for it on the corner with 3rd Rd. On Google map search for MaxxCentral Condotel. M club is next door. Open til 12a, but will close early if no customers.

Dear All,

I came across "[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/[/URL]" this website, are the girls and LB here authentic.

Can I meet the listed members without fear of being robs or looted.

Experienced Senior's, your guidance will be very much help full.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1689771]Dear All,

I came across "[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/[/URL]" this website, are the girls and LB here authentic.

Can I meet the listed members without fear of being robs or looted.

Experienced Senior's, your guidance will be very much help full.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]

I've never been scammed nor robbed by women that I have met so far using this website, but you may encounter a few bad apples, of course, if you are not cautious enough, just like in any situation in life where you have to deal with strangers.

Sometimes, the photos are not really recent and some women lie about their real age (and some ladyboys about their gender pretending to be real women), but that's the only kind of dishonesty that I have suffered so far.

Thank you for your response.

This is verymuch helpfull.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1689772]I've never been scammed nor robbed by women that I have met so far using this website, but you may encounter a few bad apples, of course, if you are not cautious enough, just like in any situation in life where you have to deal with strangers.

Sometimes, the photos are not really recent and some women lie about their real age (and some ladyboys about their gender pretending to be real women), but that's the only kind of dishonesty that I have suffered so far.[/QUOTE]

Did anyone witness this last night?

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/488716/3-foreigners-beaten-by-pattaya-bar-bouncers[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1689414]Hit Beach Road last night with two other buddies and the following is a summary of our collective observations.

Best selection between the hours of 7:30 PM and 9:30 PM with a lot of the better girls gone by 9:30 PM.

Higher density of girls from Walking Street to the Hilton Hotel.

Pricing for ST ranged from 500 to 800 Baht with the prettier girls only offering ST.

Pricing for LT ranged from 1,300 to 2,000 Baht.

Besides the above a lot of the girls were either very shy or did not want to make eye contact or engage some of the men who smiled at them when walking by.

I also noticed what I call a "failed negotiation". One out of shape guy who appeared drunk couldn't get a hot looking one to go with him. I suspect the girl wanted nothing to do with him so quoted him a ridiculous price.

There also appeared to be some lady boys mixed in as well.

Not speaking Thai was problematic for the three of us in dealing with some of the girls who did not speak English. I had too reject two girls because of this.

One friend took a hottie for ST at 800 Baht.

My other friend took one for LT 2,000 Baht.

I was the budget fucker and took one for LT 1,300 but gave a 300 Baht tip for being a performer.[/QUOTE]

I am glad to hear that despite coups, police clean-ups and all the other stuff, the Beach Road institution goes on. I have consistently struck gold there whenever there wasn't a crackdown. It is fairly easy to avoid the LBs, the druggies and other undesirables. The Beach Road girls of a certain type tend to be fairly honest and not playing games like so many of the bar and go-go girls do. They are usually factory girls who want to make a little extra on the side and have some sex too. Most of them are completely unspoiled and although you may not get PSE, you will often get one of the better experiences. But if a mongerer is belligerent, aggressive, impolite, drunk or has personal hygiene issues, these ladies generally won't play - full-stop. I don't speak much Thai apart from the usual few word and phrases but I never found the lack of a common language to be an obstacle.

The peak time for these ladies is from early evening until 9 pm. I guess it is because these ladies are not used to late nights and probably have to be up for factory work early in the morning. The latter would would explain their preference for ST.

[QUOTE=Simian;1689841]...the druggies and other undesirables. The Beach Road girls of a certain type tend to be fairly honest and not playing games like so many of the bar and go-go girls do. They are usually factory girls who want to make a little extra on the side and have some sex too. Most of them are completely unspoiled and although you may not get PSE, you will often get one of the better experiences.[/QUOTE]Maybe we look for different girls, but my reason for preferring Beach Road girls is that they are the most 'hardened professionals'. And, to be honest, I think most of the girls I find giving good value service are probably druggies. But then I'm looking for quite slim bodies, and PSE.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1687733]2nd Road / Soi 15 or 16 just shortly before south pat Road, the pharmacy is about 20 meters in from 2nd Road on the left. Box of kamagra bt1500.[/QUOTE]It is soi 15 called Fortune pharmacy and they gave me fake Kamagra oral jelly. Bought box of 50 for 1500 baht. Tried 5 packets and nothing. Exchanged for different box and still nothing. Woman owner seems earnest and I believe she believes it is real stuff but it is not. Anyplace with reliable sildenafil in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=AmaBondSx;1689952]It is soi 15 called Fortune pharmacy and they gave me fake Kamagra oral jelly. Bought box of 50 for 1500 baht. Tried 5 packets and nothing. Exchanged for different box and still nothing. Woman owner seems earnest and I believe she believes it is real stuff but it is not. Anyplace with reliable sildenafil in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Is Sidagra the Thai version any good? And is it. Available in pharmacies. At what price. How about genuine viagra? Where can you buy and how much thanks for any info.

Are soi 6 bars likely to return to normal regarding on sites rooms?

[QUOTE=AmaBondSx;1689952]It is soi 15 called Fortune pharmacy and they gave me fake Kamagra oral jelly. Bought box of 50 for 1500 baht. Tried 5 packets and nothing. Exchanged for different box and still nothing. Woman owner seems earnest and I believe she believes it is real stuff but it is not. Anyplace with reliable sildenafil in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I always buy my stuff on sai 2. Second road. Coming from the beach thru soi 10 turn left and cross the street when you reach "the kitchen" and see the first pharmacy. You can get a reduction if you buy more. And. Why not try apcalis? Lasts 36 hours. 500 baht for a box of 4.

I think every member of this noble website deserves a better and more complete answer than that offered by Goyave.

Mr Shame was specifically also asking about authenticity of LB's from Thaifriendly. But the request from Mr. Shame was not very precise either, he didn't specify which service he was expecting from those creatures.

Lp from the Holy City of Pattaya.

Last night was my third evening in Pattaya on this my maiden visit. The first night I was too tired and over exerted myself in the tropical heat so retired early. Yesterday, I had a few mojitos by the hotel pool in the afternoon and a few drinks at Tahiti Queen. By 9 pm, I had exceeded my usual drink limit and after a beer at Bacarra's returned to my hotel for the evening.

Last night I was determined to make amends for the previous two nights but realized that all the bars and go-go's would be closed or at least not serving alcohol due to the Buddhist holiday. I tried Beach Road first only to encounter a few unfriendly girls, random LB's, and many fuglies. Basically, I aborted that mission after several misguided attempts.

I then took a surreal walk to Walking Street, followed by LK Metro. WS was packed with people including Chinese tour groups and tourists but the lights were out on Broadway, so to speak, as far as the go-go's were concerned. The same held true for LK Metro where there barely a soul with the exception of some guy pushing a baby carriage.

Exasperated, I peeked in a few beer bars. Some were open though not serving alcohol. I saw a cute girl in her early 20's with a nice petite figure who gave me a bright smile in a beer bar called Luck. We had a nice chat and her English was quite good. She suggested LT for $2 k bhat with a 300 bhat bar fine. I countered with bh1500 and she laughed and said that was the short time price. Without further ado, I agreed to her terms and we went back to my hotel, which she liked very much as it is a new and upscale hotel on 2nd Road.

It may not have been PSE, but for sure GFE with one pop upon my return and a nice morning wake up call. BBBJ was quite nice and sucked the boys too and appeared to enjoy though no CIM.

What was interesting was her background. Her father became a monk 25 years ago after divorcing her Mother. He lives in a cloister with ten other monks. Her mom passed away when she was 45 of uterine cancer. My new friend visits her home once a month when she is on her period. Overall, my new friend seems to have a high level of spirituality. What really amazed me was her high degree of fluency as she has been here only a year and spoke no English when she arrived.

She also told me about her Japanese customers and is familiar with the 'rule of three'. Recently, she had a Jap chap short time her without a price discussed before. He gave her bh5k short time. Another guy agreed to bh4 k short time and gave her that plus 500 bhat tip. I guess we can see why the girls love those Japanese guys, which may explain my poor luck on BR earlier.

Anyway, a real nice girl who also is taking me to her dentist tomorrow for a bh3k teeth whitening and cleaning.

[QUOTE=Lone Punter;1690105]I think every member of this noble website deserves a better and more complete answer than that offered by Goyave.

Mr Shame was specifically also asking about authenticity of LB's from Thaifriendly. But the request from Mr. Shame was not very precise either, he didn't specify which service he was expecting from those creatures.

Lp from the Holy City of Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

I haven't the least interest in partaking with ladyboys (by the way, discussing the specifics of such kind of activity is frowned upon here and against the [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules]rules[/url] at ISG).

But it's OK to warn other members when one may unwillingly encounter somewhere dudes who pretend to be real women and that's what I did.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1690121] I guess we can see why the girls love those Japanese guys, which may explain my poor luck on BR earlier.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the nice report Tomas!

The Japanese are usually not interested in Beach Road girls. Thank God!

[QUOTE=AmaBondSx;1689952]It is soi 15 called Fortune pharmacy and they gave me fake Kamagra oral jelly. Bought box of 50 for 1500 baht. Tried 5 packets and nothing. Exchanged for different box and still nothing. Woman owner seems earnest and I believe she believes it is real stuff but it is not. Anyplace with reliable sildenafil in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Try the kamagra oral jelly from the STD clinic on soi buakhao as you turn left from soi Diana onto Buakhao. They sell a pack of three for 200 bht, I think. The stuff seemed to work fine.

Soi 6 bars were closed for Buddha day yesterday. A few bars had ladies milling in front of them. I'm assuming they had no where else to go. The massage places, and convenience stores were open. The Soi looked surreal with so many businesses closed.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1690231]Soi 6 bars were closed for Buddha day yesterday. A few bars had ladies milling in front of them. I'm assuming they had no where else to go. The massage places, and convenience stores were open. The Soi looked surreal with so many businesses closed.[/QUOTE]I was out and about for a bit Bhuddha Day. Soi 7,8 same as 6. I wonder how much money this town lost in tourist dollars that day? I would assume a bunch.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1689771]Dear All,

I came across "[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/[/URL]" this website, are the girls and LB here authentic.

Can I meet the listed members without fear of being robs or looted.

Experienced Senior's, your guidance will be very much help full.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]This is a dating website and they are very common. When meeting strangers you should always be careful. On this site you will find working girls, students, ladyboys and normal office girls.

[QUOTE=ShamSagar;1689771]Dear All,

I came across "[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/[/URL]" this website, are the girls and LB here authentic.

Can I meet the listed members without fear of being robs or looted.

Experienced Senior's, your guidance will be very much help full.

Thanks in advance.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I have met a number of girls from TF. Some obviously working girls but others being students or normal office girls. The one I am with now is an Anesthesia nurse from Sakaeo. Straight as hell and takes a lot of patience to get her to over come some of her shyness. But a real sweetheart.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1690243]I was out and about for a bit Bhuddha Day. Soi 7,8 same as 6. I wonder how much money this town lost in tourist dollars that day? I would assume a bunch.[/QUOTE]Ah, but that is the difference between you and the Thai: they value karmic currency more than tourist dollar.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1690360]I have met a number of girls from TF. Some obviously working girls but others being students or normal office girls. The one I am with now is an Anesthesia nurse from Sakaeo. Straight as hell and takes a lot of patience to get her to over come some of her shyness. But a real sweetheart.[/QUOTE]Just use your good judgement. Meet somewhere public first and then decide. I think if your and older guy (like me) it is an absolute gold mine. There are a lot of 35 and up girls who are looking for friends. If you are super patient with the language barrier then that is great. If you speak Thai you can meet a lot of really nice ladies, many of whom haven't had sex in a long time, who would love to meet Farangs. Some of these are semi pros but most are not. I am not in Thailand now, but many of them are still really excited to meet and "play" on line. When I get back over there I think that my plate may be quite full.

What is it with Indian punters, saw 15 crowding a girl asking for a price, 1500 bhat short time, just one of you. They wanted her for less and to include all 15 of them!

[QUOTE=FishNChips;1688112]The Pattaya of old is still there you just need to go away from the tourist area.

Ideas to start your day with: <rest deleted>[/QUOTE]This is probably the most helpful post I have ever seen here.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Broxy]Any recommendations for a nice room near to Beach Road from Walking Street up to Soi 7 in the 500 to 800 baht per night?[/QUOTE]That's a heavy lift Mr. Broxy. For that kind of money you MIGHT be able to find a small, plain room in a guest house on Soi Buakaow or points east. But something "nice" that's "near Beach Road?" Never going to happen. Also, recommend you post future inquiries of this nature to the Pattaya Hotels area of the site.

Bunky.

[QUOTE=Bunky;1690461]That's a heavy lift Mr. Broxy. For that kind of money you MIGHT be able to find a small, plain room in a guest house on Soi Buakaow or points east. But something "nice" that's "near Beach Road?" Never going to happen. Also, recommend you post future inquiries of this nature to the Pattaya Hotels area of the site.

Bunky.[/QUOTE]Try White Inn corner of Soi15 and 2nd Rd. A year ago around 600 b.

I visited a few raunchy go go's on Walking street to begin the evening. The street, as other nights, was packed with people though mainly to look and they do not enter the clubs.

My first go go was Private Dancer. A few languid somewhat overweight girls lazing about semi-nude while an overweight guy did a clinical up close examination. Some of the girls who were dancing appeared fairly attractive but no standouts. Then I meandered over to Suger Babes. Basically, the same set up and talent level. Never asked about BF etc. Though one girl came over and pulled up her school girl skirt to reveal no panties, which is the norm here. Constant shower going on. Some faux lesbian activity on stage. Apparently, not all the girls sign on for this, just the marginal looking ones appear to participate. One guy was licking out one of the faux lesbians while she was on stage with another partner. The girl that stopped by my table says she is too shy for that stuff.
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Then I went for a coconut oil massage on Second avenue as I spotted an attractive masseuse from earlier in the evening and decided to return. Took me upstairs to a big room that was empty with several mattress on floor and private screens. Settled in for a nice massage with natural and energetic happy ending. Also, girl engaged in a little finger stroking between my sac and ass using the coconut oil resulting in a quite strong orgasm. Might have to invite her over to hotel at some point. Bh 500 for one hour massage and another 500 baht for he. Does the latter cost sound like the right price to pay?

After that, I stopped by LK Metro to check out the go go's. Went to Destiny and it was really the best talent I have seen anywhere in my limited exposure to Pattaya go go bars. There were several girls with some really nice bodies highlighted by supple bikini
Panty bottoms. But girls seemed a little standoffish. Finally, talked to a hottie who said BF was bh1500 and long time was 4 to 4500 baht. She may have indicated some tiered pricing though not certain. Sorry, but we are talking almost $200 USD so passed.

Then went to Queens around the corner from Destiny. Girls also doing the faux lesbian thing on stage. Sat by dance floor. One of the girls from show came over and I bought her a drink but she was bouncing between me and another guy who was one Dunkin donut from a cardiac arrest. Finally asked her about bar fine. Once again, BF was bh1500 with same long time price as Destiny. She then was pestering me to buy her a friend a drink too who was not even dressed for on stage activity but only visiting bar. Checked out after that. I had read that bar fines were less on LK Metro but bar fine at Baccara on WS was bh600 so quite a difference.

Any recommendations for inexpensive bar fines on this street?

My last stop was to visit my little bar beer girl cutie from night before. She indicated her good friend, who also works in same beer bar, would do a mnage with me. Total bar fine is bh600 plus bh2000 for each girl for long time or 4600 bhat total. Considering it for future evening but need more details as I doubt lesbian action is part of package. The night before with her was not PSE so not sure if a threesome is worth it given my prior one on one activity. But compared to Devils Den, it's quite less. For an overnight at my hotel with two girls from Devils Den, they charge bh7800 or $100 USD more. Just not sure if Devils Den is as good as advertised. Anyone been recently or can recommend two girls from DD?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1690492]
bar fine at Baccara on WS was bh600 so quite a difference.
[/QUOTE]Real bargain. Usually, the girls in Baccara were among the best from the gogos in WS.

Looks like prices on LK Metro even higher than on WS. Had a similar expirience in October.

You might try the "Red Car" disco / bar, very beginning of WS, left side. There were many freelancers about midnight. max. 2000 LT, no BF.

Not the very youngest or most beautiful ones. But good performers.

Good to know. I stopped in there twice this week but too early; like around 9 pm. Empty. So will try later in evening as you suggested.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;1690612]Real bargain. Usually, the girls in Baccara were among the best from the gogos in WS.

Looks like prices on LK Metro even higher than on WS. Had a similar expirience in October.

You might try the "Red Car" disco / bar, very beginning of WS, left side. There were many freelancers about midnight. max. 2000 LT, no BF.

Not the very youngest or most beautiful ones. But good performers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1690492]
After that, I stopped by LK Metro to check out the go go's. Went to Destiny and it was really the best talent I have seen anywhere in my limited exposure to Pattaya go go bars. There were several girls with some really nice bodies highlighted by supple bikini
Panty bottoms. But girls seemed a little standoffish. Finally, talked to a hottie who said BF was bh1500 and long time was 4 to 4500 baht. She may have indicated some tiered pricing though not certain. Sorry, but we are talking almost $200 USD so passed.

Then went to Queens around the corner from Destiny. Girls also doing the faux lesbian thing on stage. Sat by dance floor. One of the girls from show came over and I bought her a drink but she was bouncing between me and another guy who was one Dunkin donut from a cardiac arrest. Finally asked her about bar fine. Once again, BF was bh1500 with same long time price as Destiny. She then was pestering me to buy her a friend a drink too who was not even dressed for on stage activity but only visiting bar. Checked out after that. I had read that bar fines were less on LK Metro but bar fine at Baccara on WS was bh600 so quite a difference.

Any recommendations for inexpensive bar fines on this street?[/QUOTE]1500 Bath sounds like BF for coyote girls if you take them before midnight. Were these girls coyotes? If not then it's a ridiculous BF.
Well, even if they were coyotes it's still a ridiculous BF.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1690492]My last stop was to visit my little bar beer girl cutie from night before. She indicated her good friend, who also works in same beer bar, would do a mnage with me. Total bar fine is bh600 plus bh2000 for each girl for long time or 4600 bhat total. Considering it for future evening but need more details as I doubt lesbian action is part of package. The night before with her was not PSE so not sure if a threesome is worth it given my prior one on one activity. But compared to Devils Den, it's quite less. For an overnight at my hotel with two girls from Devils Den, they charge bh7800 or $100 USD more. Just not sure if Devils Den is as good as advertised. Anyone been recently or can recommend two girls from DD?[/QUOTE]The word most frequently used to describe the DD and Eden ladies is [I]mechanical[/I]. This it not necessarily a bad thing as they go out of their way to check all the boxes but spontaneity and true passion can take a back seat.

Normally one lady is the main provider and the other is more of helper. If there is a specific type of action you want make sure to [U]request it in advance[/U]. With lesbo action you want the two ladies to be compatible so I would pick one, tell her what you are looking for, and let her choose the second. Looking at the website it appears Gik is back so if you like petite spinners she would be a good primary consideration.

If you have never experienced it before two DD ladies overnight is a lot of action. You might consider doing a 90 minute incall for 4,000 b and see if their formula fits you or not. If there is chemistry with one of the ladies you can take her single overnight at your hotel or do the overnight double. In my experience repeat visits pay big dividends.

Good luck and let us know how you make out!

SL.

I have been with Eden girls for about 10 times. Based on that experience.

If you are at their place, it is very mechanical. I never enjoyed there.

On the other hand, I email them at least a day earlier with my preferences, and they send me great girls. My norm is to ask them from 11 PM, and the girls stay all night. At the hotel, it is NOT mechanical at all. On three occasions, I even asked them to send only one girl to my hotel, and the experience was great as well.

[QUOTE=JoseMarcia;1690742]I have been with Eden girls for about 10 times. Based on that experience.

If you are at their place, it is very mechanical. I never enjoyed there.

On the other hand, I email them at least a day earlier with my preferences, and they send me great girls. My norm is to ask them from 11 PM, and the girls stay all night. At the hotel, it is NOT mechanical at all. On three occasions, I even asked them to send only one girl to my hotel, and the experience was great as well.[/QUOTE]For those who don't know: Eden Club is in Bangkok, not in Pattaya! Eden's equivalent in Pattaya is called "Devil's Den".

Well, I just came back from RedCar solo though not before almost finding someone for the rest of this short evening as it 4 am. I agree with your assessment of the talent in this bar. Some fairly attractive girls were there along with a few stunners who rolled through who seemed to be looking for their stud muffins.

Around 2 am, I noticed a taller Thai girl with glasses and her hair in a bun. Another girl at her table called me over to get the ball rolling. This girl, who said her name was Linda, seemed that she might be a lot prettier once she disposed of the glasses and took her hair down though anytime I meet a tall girl in Thailand I am always a bit wary of the LB implications. Anyway, she was dressed quite conservative in a dark skirt and white blouse almost like a desk clerk uniform or office outfit. She told me she worked for the Hyatt in Bangkok near Siam but was staying in Jomtien at a friend's condo. We talked for the rest of the evening until the bar closed at 3:30. Part of the convo, she mentioned going to Spassos disco at the Hyatt, which I hear is an upscale place but since she claimed to work at the Hyatt, I did not think much of it. I also told her I was staying at a nice place in Pattaya, which may have raised the stakes for me somewhat. When we reached the entrance, I told her that I would like to go with her. Her response? -- 'What else do you want to tell me?

My response was 'I think you are very nice' as I did not want to bring up money in case she meant something else. She then said no that's not what I meant. Finally realizing where the conversation was going 'I said how much do you want? Her reply: How much do you want to pay me? All of a sudden, it occurred to me that I was dealing with a pro here and not a part time free lancer as I had hoped. So I said I could pay bh2000, which incidentally is the amount you recommended for long time from this bar. She lifted her hand and said higher. I stuck to my guns at Bh2000, whereupon she said that she wanted bh3000. I said no again as I would only pay the 2000.

Finally, I walked and as I turned around to give her one last look, she had a semi-sneer on her face, a part of her personality that had not been displayed in the bar. I also wondered if she, indeed, might be a LB just based on the mercenary turn in our conversation and perhaps a change in her vocal tone though it was so loud in the RedCar and on the street it was hard to tell. The most I have paid a free lancer in Bangkok, who I have met in a bar or club, was bh2000 for LT and several times no money was requested at all so that and the standard upper limit price you noted of 2000 was also the limit for me. Also, as our convo deteriorated, I started to become less interested. Since I have not been turned down yet at 2000 LT in Bangkok, I was not going to start paying that price here. The whole convo basically ended up killing my mood.

BTW: I also visited Baby Dolls earlier off WS. Did not ask about BF amount as most of the girls were on the chunky side. In fact, I thought they could rename the bar to "BabyFat".

Then I stopped in Windmill for the first time. I found myself upon entry sitting next to a stunning lithesome girl who told me she just moved here from Surat a few days ago. Bingo! Or so I thought. This girl as they say in Texas was a tall drink of water. After a bit, I asked her for the BF amount, which she did not know! Turns out, she is a coyote and totally unavailable per MamaSan. MamaSan did tell me that the BF was 1,500 baht for Long time before 1 am and 1000 bh after 1 am for the other girls. For short term, it is 1000 bh for ST and 700 bh after 1 am.

Also, mentioned that they had rooms upstairs, which I am sure are suitably grotty.

The most I have paid a barfine was 300 bhat a few days ago at a beer joint in Pattaya, which I looked at as a type of cover charge. Indeed, it is the only BF I have paid since arriving in Bangkok in January. It's safe to say, I am not going there and frankly doing well without the go go's.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1690634]Good to know. I stopped in there twice this week but too early; like around 9 pm. Empty. So will try later in evening as you suggested.[/QUOTE]

Can someone tell me what's going on in Pattaya. I hear that everything is changing. Is Pattaya still the mongering paradise or is it turning in to a family resort or a place for couples. I was in Pattaya 5 years ago and had a blast. And although 5 years is not a very long time but how much has changed. I'm not an old monger (33 years) but I'm planing for a trip in October. Should I go to Patts or is it time to try Angeles city.

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1690854]Can someone tell me what's going on in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Business as usual. Women going with men for money.[QUOTE=Muppen1;1690854]I'm not an old monger (33 years) but I'm planing for a trip in October. Should I go to Patts or is it time to try Angeles city.[/QUOTE]You could always go to both and see which you like best. Different strokes for different folks.

So back in Patts again after being away for awhile. Trying to scope out what the prices are these days. Just for background, I'm a 35 year old male, not too fat but not too skinny either.

I have given up on Go-Gos because those places have just got insanely expensive lately.

Went to a few beer bars last night at various places and it appeared that bar fines were 300-400 and wanting 1000 for short time.

I have been to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and that was 600 baht which was ok. The BJ was ok but not the best.

Also all those massage places near [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], anyone know how much extra it is for a BJ there? I had a regular girl at one last year and it was 200 for the massage and 500 for the BJ.

The way things are changing here in Patts, I think I have another 5 years before I have to find another place to monger or get a steady woman back home!

I was never asked for 3000 LT in Red Car, wow.

The times, they are changing. On the contrary, in October I picked up a "rather pretty" freelancer in RC for 1000/ day, plus expenses.

To travel with me for a week.

She told me, usually she does massage in a hotel, showed me photos, to proof. But because of bad business, she had to do something else.

For another try: "Disco MEXX". Out of the other end of WS. Not before 24:00.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;1690991]I was never asked for 3000 LT in Red Car, wow.

The times, they are changing. On the contrary, in October I picked up a "rather pretty" freelancer in RC for 1000/ day, plus expenses.

To travel with me for a week.

She told me, usually she does massage in a hotel, showed me photos, to proof. But because of bad business, she had to do something else.

For another try: "Disco MEXX". Out of the other end of WS. Not before 24:00.[/QUOTE]If she is asking 3000 in RC, she probably doesn't want to go with you and is her way of saying no.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1690873]Business as usual. Women going with men for money.You could always go to both and see which you like best. Different strokes for different folks.[/QUOTE]I went to Angeles a couple months ago for the first time. 10 sweeties in 7 days with 0 duds. Living in Pattaya I have never had a streak like that here.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1691037]I went to Angeles a couple months ago for the first time. 10 sweeties in 7 days with 0 duds. Living in Pattaya I have never had a streak like that here.[/QUOTE]Where are you shopping G&T? The only dud I can remember having here in Pattaya was the chick who didn't want to shower, kicked my TV, and I choked the shit out of her and threw her out naked a couple of years ago. A couple of months after that she kicked me in the ass when I walked by her in the club. When I was about to go for her the bouncer stopped me. I saw her in the disco the other night and she tried to cozy up to me like the whole thing never happened. Other than her all I have picked is winners in the last 8 years.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1691037]I went to Angeles a couple months ago for the first time. 10 sweeties in 7 days with 0 duds. Living in Pattaya I have never had a streak like that here.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I have been kind of postponing a trip to PI as a last resort. Looks like the time has come, my average experience from the latest trip to Pattaya is "forgettable".

Unlikely, I spent an hour talking to her. She was encouraging me to meet her price and was really pissed off when I would not follow her directive. I think she has been spoiled by the time she spends in Spassos disco at the Bangkok Hyatt.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1691007]If she is asking 3000 in RC, she probably doesn't want to go with you and is her way of saying no.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TellAll;1691007]If she is asking 3000 in RC, she probably doesn't want to go with you and is her way of saying no.[/QUOTE]No, even in Red Car there are few ones that won't go for less, but are not seen often. I reported about recently, in looks she stood apart, but the type that is not fun to be with, not easy going. In a word: spoiled.

To give you an idea how bad it is now along the beach, and how hard it is to find a really good 500 baht b.b. 3-hole service provider, I actually sent 1,500 baht to an old favorite to help her return to Pattaya from Chiang Rai. Really good three-holers are so rare now, its worth the shot-in-the dark to try to get an old regular back. Think its only the second time I've ever sent a girl money in the 15 years I've been here.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1691736]To give you an idea how bad it is now along the beach, and how hard it is to find a really good 500 baht b.b. 3-hole service provider, I actually sent 1,500 baht to an old favorite to help her return to Pattaya from Chiang Rai. Really good three-holers are so rare now, its worth the shot-in-the dark to try to get an old regular back. Think its only the second time I've ever sent a girl money in the 15 years I've been here.[/QUOTE]Do you mean a bareback 3-hole service provider for only 500 B? I think those are hard to find for years already.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1691070]Unlikely, I spent an hour talking to her. She was encouraging me to meet her price and was really pissed off when I would not follow her directive. I think she has been spoiled by the time she spends in Spassos disco at the Bangkok Hyatt.[/QUOTE]You may be right. Either way you did right by walking.

I returned to Red Car on Sunday following the ill timed debacle from the prior evening. Lots of women tonight and quite a few punters too. I was encouraged by a girl to talk to her friend who she saw I was eyeing. Went over to chat and we were dirty dancing within 10 minutes. Several guys giving me envious looks as this girl was a real spinner with high heels, white tank top, and denim cut off short shorts.

After a while, she told me I will not have to pay her and that it is up to me. Yeah, right. Where have I heard that before. Bought her a few drinks to grease the skids. Finally, we decide to leave but wants to know what I would pay. She is hot and I suggest bt2000 LT to which she agrees. However, directly before departing bar, she says that she has to leave for Bangkok early for her business. She owns a kiosk selling purses and wallets in a mall and needs to buy a sone items for resale. Also, needs to see her son in Bangkok.

Well up to me so I decided to roll with her anyway. Claims Daddy-o is unknown Jap chap so does not know who is father of her child. Whatever! Back to room for some very hot sex. She loved my DATY and I could not get enough of her. Possesses amazing tattoos that I did not notice earlier in darkness of bar. She fell asleep but woke up wanting more DATY. She was just soaking my sheets. Plus, inserted digits in backside. She almost squeezed them off. I got so excited I dropped a big load on her.

She left for bus around 6 am. All good and hope to repeat. Fun and crazy girl.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1691964]You may be right. Either way you did right by walking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692019]I returned to Red Car on Sunday following the ill timed debacle from the prior evening..[/QUOTE]I'm happy to hear you gave RC another shot and that it worked out this time.

I've always had fun there and have defended the place numerous times on the board. Not all the girls there are stunners, but there are some gems to be found if you take a close look. And I think its easier to approach girls there than at I-bar and other FL venues.

Unfortunately (for me) my regular sets up shop there and its awkward for me to go there now to look for women as I don't want her to lose face. But I am thinking of dropping her and returning to that hunting ground full force next time I am in Patts (probably in August).

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1691931]Do you mean a bareback 3-hole service provider for only 500 B? I think those are hard to find for years already.[/QUOTE]

Not that difficult till about the last 3-4 years I'd say. My list of numbers only finally ran out, that is [i]completely[/i] ran out, in the last few months. I think it really has a lot to do with the longer-term jailing of most of the yaba users - as any lady will gladly gossip about if you ask.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692019]I returned to Red Car on Sunday following the ill timed debacle from the prior evening. [/QUOTE]Good to hear you had better night than previous one. BTW, At what time you pay visit to RC?

Last time I was there, it only starts to fill up with only after 11 pm, guess ladies turn up late whether RC or Ibar.

Cheers

I will be in Pattaya. Early may my third visit and in the past I have seen first hand the discrimination against Indians never tried to enter red car. Anyone know if they have this policy too? Anyway many other places I'm welcome I behave treat the girls well and have great times in many other places but want try red car this time. Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1692431]I will be in Pattaya. Early may my third visit and in the past I have seen first hand the discrimination against Indians never tried to enter red car. Anyone know if they have this policy too? Anyway many other places I'm welcome I behave treat the girls well and have great times in many other places but want try red car this time. Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]I think I have seen someone sent away, but it _may_ have had to do with dress code. I have seen a lot of different ethnicity inside. Try dressing smart and if they don't let you in, complain to the tourist police is stationing right there. Go straight to the most senior person and ask if in Thailand racism is acceptable. No matter the outcome that will embarrass them as they deserve.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1692171]Not that difficult till about the last 3-4 years I'd say. My list of numbers only finally ran out, that is [i]completely[/i] ran out, in the last few months. I think it really has a lot to do with the longer-term jailing of most of the yaba users - as any lady will gladly gossip about if you ask.[/QUOTE]Not a world I have to do with, but I understand it takes more than just using yaba to be given a long sentence, even if the law would allow harsh punishment, it is not normally given.

Anyway if I knew of a lady doing time, and she had been nice to me before, I would go visit if possible.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1692593]Not a world I have to do with, but I understand it takes more than just using yaba to be given a long sentence, even if the law would allow harsh punishment, it is not normally given.

Anyway if I knew of a lady doing time, and she had been nice to me before, I would go visit if possible.[/QUOTE]I think dealers and farangs will be dealt with harsher than the modal Thai user, even more so when she is female. But that's not typically Thai, one sees it everywhere in the world.

On a prison population of 20 000 in Belgium, only about 500 are women. Are they less criminal or just more clever to escape justice?

Who still remembers the Thai War on Drugs earlier this century? In a period of 6 months in 2003 51 000 arrests of drug users and small dealers were made and over 2 000 people died in related incidents. Strangely enough, the higher level dealers seem to have more or less escaped the effects of the war.

Who knows what the present government will do next in their campaign to clean-up Thai society? I don't think this is a good moment to use illegal substances in Thailand.

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Who knows what the present government will do next in their campaign to clean-up Thai society? I don't think this is a good moment to use illegal substances in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I read Thai news for as much is available in English and I do not see a big change. Some big busts every once in while, small busts everyday. Repression doesn't make the issue go away and I think the dictator is smart enough not to risk himself into battles that he can't win.

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[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1692591]I think I have seen someone sent away, but it _may_ have had to do with dress code. I have seen a lot of different ethnicity inside.[/QUOTE]There is no dress code in Walking Street Disco aka Red Car. (As a matter of fact the only hooker pickup club that I can remember ever having a dress code was the old Help in Rio de Janeiro. You just couldn't wear shorts, but I even got around that before - Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers.) I just went in Walking Street Disco the other night wearing jean shorts and flip flops as usual. My buddy had on the same thing. If you think you might have problems just walk in like you own the place. Go straight in without looking at anybody and don't look back if you think someone is calling out to you. Even if they chase you down, look at them crazy while brushing them off and keep walking.

It does not really get going until about 11:30 to midnight. BTW: the FL's in here, more or less, make their own decisions about whether they are interested in talking, dancing, or ultimately going with you. There are no guarantees so it's best to be looking good and on your finest behavoir.

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;1692366]Good to hear you had better night than previous one. BTW, At what time you pay visit to RC?

Last time I was there, it only starts to fill up with only after 11 pm, guess ladies turn up late whether RC or Ibar.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

I decided to check off Devils Den experience from my bucket list so utilized their services last week. I selected a couple girls from their website but when I called David, the helpful manager, I was told they were either ill or unavailable. Then, I decided it would be best to stop in to choose two girls directly.

I did want to use the rooms there as I hear they are not all that great and wanted them to come to my room as I am staying in a very nice place. When I arrived, David called the girls out and, myself, and the two punters who had arrived before me, observed the girls. I can't say that I was terribly impressed with the line up and, in fact, almost left without picking anyone but finally decided that this is as as good as it gets and I selected two blond hair vixens called Meow and Mint, both featured on their website.

Arrangements were made for them to come to my hotel at 10 pm and they arrived promptly. Meow was the friendliest of the two girls as Mint barely glanced at me upon their arrival -- a bad sign, I thought, as a little politeness goes a long way.

For a bit, there was a few awkward silences as we sat around a small table drinking some good whiskey I had purchased for the occasion. Finally, having read that it's best to take the initiative I told the girls that I liked the school girls outfits they had chosen and looked forward to their lesbian encounter. At that point, Meow took me to the shower for a cursory washing. They immediately got down to business with each other, whipping out the strap on's and vibrator. Mint went down on Meow and eventually banged her using the strap -on while I watched. Eventually, I slipped behind Mint for some tongue action on her pussy and anus, however, she objected to my finger probing in her anus even though her check list on her website said she was amenable to that digit intrusion.

Finally, after some 'fake' cumming by Meow, I was instructed to lay back while Meow gave me some very nice head spurred on by Mint's strategic placing of the vibrator on critical anatomical points of my body. I had a nice orgasm after a short bit of time, coming in Meow's mouth, and we returned to the table after showering and began drinking some whisky again. This process went on several more times until we all went to bed to sleep around two. If my description sounds a bit boring, well, it was. There was a mechanical aspect to the whole experience that really did not do much for me. The strap on portion was somewhat exciting and Mint even offered to share the experience with me directly but for the most part, the overall nature of things lacked the excitement of the hunt when meeting a girl or girls fresh at RedCar or some bars I frequent in Bangkok.

The girls did stay as agreed to 6 am and they ganged up on me again at around 5 am for one last go around. As noted, Mint at times gave me the impression she would rather be anywhere but my room but both did everything I asked and were generally compliant to my requests. Mint did get kind of annoyed because I was taking my time when banging her doggy. Apparently, I was taking my time too much for her and half expected that she would turn around and ask why I had not come yet. It did not happen because I recognized she was really not into it so just pulled out and let Meow finish me off.

The one thing that was really missing was that neither girl would kiss me properly. It says on their website that they both kiss but it was disappointing that this simple feature was not available. That unfortunately compares in a non favorable manner with girls I meet in bars who almost always kiss though I usually confirm that before going win them. For me, no kissing reduces the sexual encounter and creates the mechanical (non-emotional) aspect I have just described.

Would I repeat? I kind of doubt it as it's expensive and the other girls I saw were not all that appealing to me. On the other hand, it was first time observing a girl using a strap on with another girl so you are not going find that from a girl at RedCar, a go-go, or elsewhere. P.S.: if you, the reader, hasve experinced that, please let us know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1692723]- Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers. [/QUOTE]Yeah imagine. Maybe they are human beings.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692867]Yeah imagine. Maybe they are human beings.[/QUOTE]I think it is the attitudes that the girls love. So much so they do it for free from what I heard.

What I really don't understand is why in all the product ads, marketing and advertising they have well dressed people in them? Don't they realize they are wasting their money on the clothes?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692740]BTW: the FL's in here, more or less, make their own decisions about whether they are interested in talking, dancing, or ultimately going with you. There are no guarantees so it's best to be looking good and on your finest behavoir.[/QUOTE]Let's be real, what you wrote may be true for the 2 or 3 younger ones that have customers every night, and can make choices. All the others are not in a position to discriminate.

Yes, what you say is true. Since I am not interested in the non hotties, I neglected to mention the tiered system there. Sure, most will go with you regardless of your appearance. I saw quite a few hot ones one night and they appeared to be quite discriminating. I was referring to that batch.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1692913]Let's be real, what you wrote may be true for the 2 or 3 younger ones that have customers every night, and can make choices. All the others are not in a position to discriminate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692918]I was referring to that batch.[/QUOTE]That biatch you mean! 5555.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1692873]What I really don't understand is why in all the product ads, marketing and advertising they have well dressed people in them? Don't they realize they are wasting their money on the clothes?[/QUOTE]You have it backwards. They are advertising the product so the person who the ad is geared toward (the customer) will want to make the purchase. The people who ran the add could care less about what the customer is wearing, as long as the customer has enough money to buy it off the shelf and take it home. You as the customer are the purchaser, so they need to glam the product up to make you want to spend your money on it (hence the well dressed people in the ad). When I go buy that new Lexus I don't need to put on my Sunday best. The salesman could give a shit what I am wearing; he only wants to know if I can afford the car. Go ahead and dress up and go down to Walking Street without a baht in your pocket and see how far your nice clothes get you.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1692873]I think it is the attitudes that the girls love. So much so they do it for free from what I heard.

What I really don't understand is why in all the product ads, marketing and advertising they have well dressed people in them? Don't they realize they are wasting their money on the clothes?[/QUOTE]I was not referring to the how-to-dress / how-not-to-dress discussion. Please let's not start that one again.
I made my remark because Mr. E. seems to consider hookers as inferior beings. It's not his first derogatory utterance towards them.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692938]I made my remark because Mr. E. seems to consider hookers as inferior beings. It's not his first derogatory utterance towards them.[/QUOTE]You have me pegged wrong buddy. To me they are people trying to get by like everybody else. So please don't judge me without knowing me. There are people on this board who know me and know that what you said could not be farther from the truth. And what is derrogatory about saying you don't have to dress up for something? I don't dress up to go to my mom's house. Is that saying to you that I consider my mom inferior?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1692936]You have it backwards. They are advertising the product so the person who the ad is geared toward (the customer) will want to make the purchase. The people who ran the add could care less about what the customer is wearing, as long as the customer has enough money to buy it off the shelf and take it home. You as the customer are the purchaser, so they need to glam the product up to make you want to spend your money on it (hence the well dressed people in the ad). When I go buy that new Lexus I don't need to put on my Sunday best. The salesman could give a shit what I am wearing; he only wants to know if I can afford the car. Go ahead and dress up and go down to Walking Street without a baht in your pocket and see how far your nice clothes get you.[/QUOTE]The difference is we are not talking about cars here, we are talking about human beings selling their body and 'affection'.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692943]The difference is we are not talking about cars here, we are talking about human beings selling their body and 'affection'.[/QUOTE]I think most seasoned mongers agree that YMMV. Maybe dressing up is a key component in mongering for you. To be honest when I first started mongering in Brazil I would dress up to go out, then I thought about what I was doing and stopped dressing up. For me and my humble experience, I have not seen it make a difference. Different strokes for different folks and more than one road to Rome. You do you. The bottom line is that you are going to pay regardless.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1692942]You have me pegged wrong buddy. To me they are people trying to get by like everybody else. So please don't judge me without knowing me. There are people on this board who know me and know that what you said could not be farther from the truth. [/QUOTE]I'm willing to believe you. However your posts often don't reflect it. To me you don't come across as a sympathetic and emphatic man. But I realize that's based on your posts only.

[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1692593]Not a world I have to do with, but I understand it takes more than just using yaba to be given a long sentence, even if the law would allow harsh punishment, it is not normally given.

Anyway if I knew of a lady doing time, and she had been nice to me before, I would go visit if possible.[/QUOTE]

Repeated yaba possession convictions and particularly if they can claim it was 'with intent to sell' will lead to long term incarceration. Anyway, there is no 'law' in this country, it is all pretty much arbitrary and based on bribes, mafias, etc. I have once visited a girl in the local jailhouse, it was interesting. But never at the long-term prison.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1692945]I think most seasoned mongers agree that YMMV. Maybe dressing up is a key component in mongering for you. To be honest when I first started mongering in Brazil I would dress up to go out, then I thought about what I was doing and stopped dressing up. For me and my humble experience, I have not seen it make a difference. Different strokes for different folks and more than one road to Rome. You do you. The bottom line is that you are going to pay regardless.[/QUOTE]No, dressing up is not a key component in mongering for me. Respect for the WG's is a key component for me, and that is what this discussion is about as far as I'm concerned.

When you say 'Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers' then you don't show much respect for them IMO. Because basically what you're saying is: 'they are only hookers, you never have to dress well for them'.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692980]No, dressing up is not a key component in mongering for me. Respect for the WG's is a key component for me, and that is what this discussion is about as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]Dressing spiffy might give you some additional initial traction with the uber hotties or semi-pro's as they tend to be more selective. Dressing somewhat decently will get you traction with most.

Is the discussion [I]getting the girl[/I] or having a robust personal encounter? One you couple up it is all about attitude and chemistry and how you treat them. IMO repeat visits pay big dividends as the ladies are complimented and are familiar and comfortable with you; which leads to an increased probability of a GFE / PSE.

Some punter prefer to butterfly and enjoy the thrill of the hunt. Different strokes.

SL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692975]I'm willing to believe you. However your posts often don't reflect it. To me you don't come across as a sympathetic and emphatic man. But I realize that's based on your posts only.[/QUOTE]I think you are off base. Mr E. Has always come across as a pretty down to earth guy to me. These girls are in it for the $$ If they want to form a relationship it is generally for the money. Lose sight of that and you are in for a fall. One thing some on here forget or do not get is that this scene is a very small portion of Thai society. Certainly the outside world does not get it.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1692591]I think I have seen someone sent away, but it _may_ have had to do with dress code. I have seen a lot of different ethnicity inside. Try dressing smart and if they don't let you in, complain to the tourist police is stationing right there. Go straight to the most senior person and ask if in Thailand racism is acceptable. No matter the outcome that will embarrass them as they deserve.[/QUOTE]I have seen many times over the years mostly Indians and Russians being held up at the door of Red Car being told "private club". They would let in the odd Russian couple but no Indians. I went there on Saturday and there were a few Russians but no Indians.

The way I understood Mr E's post had nothing to do with the girls, but instead he tried to point out that the mongers did not have to dress up to get good looking girls or service. IMHO money, personality and age are far more important than what you wear.

Completely agree to what you describe below. Went to DD once, and though they did what they told me they would do, it felt very mechanical.

On top of that, the girls were talking Thai in between all the time, which made me look like the 5th wheel in the room.

Felt bid bizarre and don't think I'll repeat a second time when I'm over there end of March.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692753]I decided to check off Devils Den experience from my bucket list so utilized their services last week. I selected a couple girls from their website but when I called David, the helpful manager, I was told they were either ill or unavailable. Then, I decided it would be best to stop in to choose two girls directly.

I did want to use the rooms there as I hear they are not all that great and wanted them to come to my room as I am staying in a very nice place. When I arrived, David called the girls out and, myself, and the two punters who had arrived before me, observed the girls. I can't say that I was terribly impressed with the line up and, in fact, almost left without picking anyone but finally decided that this is as as good as it gets and I selected two blond hair vixens called Meow and Mint, both featured on their website.

Arrangements were made for them to come to my hotel at 10 pm and they arrived promptly. Meow was the friendliest of the two girls as Mint barely glanced at me upon their arrival -- a bad sign, I thought, as a little politeness goes a long way.

For a bit, there was a few awkward silences as we sat around a small table drinking some good whiskey I had purchased for the occasion. Finally, having read that it's best to take the initiative I told the girls that I liked the school girls outfits they had chosen and looked forward to their lesbian encounter. At that point, Meow took me to the shower for a cursory washing. They immediately got down to business with each other, whipping out the strap on's and vibrator. Mint went down on Meow and eventually banged her using the strap -on while I watched. Eventually, I slipped behind Mint for some tongue action on her pussy and anus, however, she objected to my finger probing in her anus even though her check list on her website said she was amenable to that digit intrusion...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692975] To me you don't come across as a sympathetic and emphatic man. .[/QUOTE]Forceful and compassionate men are a mixed bunch.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1693132]The way I understood Mr E's post had nothing to do with the girls, but instead he tried to point out that the mongers did not have to dress up to get good looking girls or service. IMHO money, personality and age are far more important than what you wear.[/QUOTE]Hell, in my favorite destinations (Brazil and Germany) you take your damn clothes off and walk around in a robe or just a towel! How you dress has nothing to do with it. But even in other places where I have mongered that aren't terma or FKK set-ups, as you say money, personality, looks, and hygiene have more to do with it than anything else. Who the hell cares what I'm wearing? It's all coming off anyway LOL! Wherever this conversation goes please, please, please let's not debate the pros and cons of wearing shorts not ever again! I had enough of that one man! But these guys who think you need to wine and dine and dress to the nines, I call those guys "Don Juan Johns". If you think you need to do all that, then fine. But, I'm here to tell you that you don't. Just be clean with some green in your pockets and some friendly confidence in your soul, and you can be fucking the finest tute in the cat house according to your own personal tastes. She won't give a "rip" about your clothes. Take it from seasoned, international "mongerers" who know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1692723]There is no dress code in Walking Street Disco aka Red Car. (As a matter of fact the only hooker pickup club that I can remember ever having a dress code was the old Help in Rio de Janeiro. You just couldn't wear shorts, but I even got around that before - Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers.) I just went in Walking Street Disco the other night wearing jean shorts and flip flops as usual. My buddy had on the same thing. If you think you might have problems just walk in like you own the place. Go straight in without looking at anybody and don't look back if you think someone is calling out to you. Even if they chase you down, look at them crazy while brushing them off and keep walking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1693132]The way I understood Mr E's post had nothing to do with the girls, but instead he tried to point out that the mongers did not have to dress up to get good looking girls or service. IMHO money, personality and age are far more important than what you wear.[/QUOTE]Yes, money, personality and age are important. But I would like to add 'respect' to that. If a club has a dress code then you have to respect that. If you don't want to respect it then don't go there. You show respect to the club AND the other visitors if you stick to the dress code. And it doesn't matter if the other visitors are hookers or not.

But even if a club has no dress code the girls who go there will dress nicely. You show respect to them if you dress nicely too. Even if there are only hookers going there.
Mr E's statement 'Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers' does not show respect for them. They should not give a damn about his looks because he's paying them. He's buying a 'product'. Now how do you think that makes them feel?
Yes, they are hookers. But they don't want to feel like hookers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1693171]Hell, in my favorite destinations (Brazil and Germany) you take your damn clothes off and walk around in a robe or just a towel! How you dress has nothing to do with it. But even in other places where I have mongered that aren't terma or FKK set-ups, as you say money, personality, looks, and hygiene have more to do with it than anything else. Who the hell cares what I'm wearing? It's all coming off anyway LOL! Wherever this conversation goes please, please, please let's not debate the pros and cons of wearing shorts not ever again! I had enough of that one man! But these guys who think you need to wine and dine and dress to the nines, I call those guys "Don Juan Johns". If you think you need to do all that, then fine. But, I'm here to tell you that you don't. Just be clean with some green in your pockets and some friendly confidence in your soul, and you can be fucking the finest tute in the cat house according to your own personal tastes. She won't give a "rip" about your clothes. Take it from seasoned, international "mongerers" who know.[/QUOTE]This is Asia, not Brazil and most certainly not Germany. Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1693291]This is Asia, not Brazil and most certainly not Germany. Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact.[/QUOTE]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.[/QUOTE]If you spend 100% of your time in farang-centric hooker bars, then it doesn't matter. If you want to get away from the farang ghetto at all, you will be far better received if you dress in a somewhat respectable fashion.

Generally speaking, the girls in tow by those fat, smelly, alcoholics in battered shorts I wouldn't fuck with a stolen dick.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.[/QUOTE]Jeeze Louise!!

Didn't we cover this one ad nauseam just a few weeks ago?

I had a feeling when MrE wrote his post that this topic would get started again.

[QUOTE=Rolodido;1693137]Completely agree to what you describe below. Went to DD once, and though they did what they told me they would do, it felt very mechanical.

On top of that, the girls were talking Thai in between all the time, which made me look like the 5th wheel in the room.

Felt bid bizarre and don't think I'll repeat a second time when I'm over there end of March.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree.

The whole experience is really worth it if you want to do something outrageous. Like DP one of the girls (you with your dick, the other girl with a strap on). I did that a few years back, just to get it out of my system. LOL.

Otherwise the girls really aren't all that hot and the sex is pretty mechanical...

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.[/QUOTE]And how do you think those young girls feel in the company of those 'fat, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics'?
And do you think they even have the slightest respect for these guys?

It's true, you don't HAVE to dress up to pickup hookers. Money is all you need.
But if you want to give AND receive some respect then you dress nicely (and you behave nicely, smell good etcetera etcetera). That doesn't mean you have to wear a tuxedo of course. Closed shoes, long pants and a nice (t-) shirt will do most of the time.

It's like Phordphan says: Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't get their respect if you're ignoring that.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1693317]And how do you think those young girls feel in the company of those 'fat, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics'?
And do you think they even have the slightest respect for these guys?

It's true, you don't HAVE to dress up to pickup hookers. Money is all you need.
But if you want to give AND receive some respect then you dress nicely (and you behave nicely, smell good etcetera etcetera). That doesn't mean you have to wear a tuxedo of course. Closed shoes, long pants and a nice (t-) shirt will do most of the time.

It's like Phordphan says: Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't get their respect if you're ignoring that.[/QUOTE]So speak the 2 week millionaire. Listen all your doing in running around in your fancy clothes is telling these ladies yes I can afford to pay you more than the.

Other guy. There is a difference of looking for a GF with a legit job and a hooker. Now I am not saying the other extreme of a slob wearing the same clothes.

For a week and not bathing is a chick magnet, but there is a happy medium. First and foremost these ladies are looking for a payoff from a decent guy who they.

Have nothing to worry about. I'll bet that Mr. E can get the same girl you are lusting after for at least 33% less because he knows the game here (BTW E I live here.

And anytime you want to grab a beer let me know I'm a big fan of yours). Your really only fooling yourself in thinking that there impressed with your flashy lifestyle.

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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1693291]This is Asia, not Brazil and most certainly not Germany. Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact.[/QUOTE]I didn't say that appearance doesn't matter at all, and my post clearly was not limited to just Brazil and Germany. There are many aspects of "appearance" with clothes being only one of those. And I know what part of the world we're talking about. In fact, you see for 5 years I lived in it. And it's not a matter of "liking it" or not. The point is that there's no need to get hung up on clothes. So, if somebody wants to be a "Don Juan John", then go ahead and knock yourself out! But what I know to be fact is that you don't have to go there if you don't want to. As long as you're dressed appropriately for whatever establishment you're in (could be very casual), you can have the hottest tute in the cat house (of course with the right amount of money, personality, and so on). That's the point.

[QUOTE=Jwdub;1693349]So speak the 2 week millionaire. Listen all your doing in running around in your fancy clothes is telling these ladies yes I can afford to pay you more than the other guy. There is a difference of looking for a GF with a legit job and a hooker. Now I am not saying the other extreme of a slob wearing the same clothes for a week and not bathing is a chick magnet, but there is a happy medium. First and foremost these ladies are looking for a payoff from a decent guy who they.

[/QUOTE]Go dressed the way you like, - if you want some crazy ideas on how to make an impression, just google "the man in the golden cape pattaya".

Haha, I don't know if he's still around, but he sure know how to put a smile on the masses along beach road.

So glad this kind of friendly, odd personalities are around in the world, putting smiles on so many faces.

Greetings, Ken Apples.

I've posted about dress and personal hygiene a number of times on the Bangkok threads. I primarily do my mongering on extended business trips. I rarely wear a suit and tie but generally dress more professionally. I can say with certainty the way one dresses effects how everyone treats you, and that goes for the people working in the hotels, shops and sex workers. However that is in Bangkok. Pattaya is a casual beach town. Casual attire such as shorts and sport shirts are appropriate there. Dirty, tattered clothing is another matter, as is poor hygiene. It's simple common sense.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1693420]Go dressed the way you like, - if you want some crazy ideas on how to make an impression, just google "the man in the golden cape pattaya".

Haha, I don't know if he's still around, but he sure know how to put a smile on the masses along beach road.

So glad this kind of friendly, odd personalities are around in the world, putting smiles on so many faces.

Greetings, Ken Apples.[/QUOTE]Over the years Stickman chronicled this guy in articles. Search the [I]Stickman Weekly[/I] archives for photos and to find out more about him. My understanding is he went back to Great Britain a while ago.

LOL. I don't pay to get respect. I just pay for FFF. They provide a service for a fee and it is an agreement that both parties accept. Something different if you go for LTGF. Else. If I wear a tee, shorts and flipflops or släcks, shirt and fancy shoes. Still up to both parties to agree to share some time or not. Cannot see what respect has to do with it?

Wear what you want.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1693317]And how do you think those young girls feel in the company of those 'fat, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics'?
And do you think they even have the slightest respect for these guys?

It's true, you don't HAVE to dress up to pickup hookers. Money is all you need.
But if you want to give AND receive some respect then you dress nicely (and you behave nicely, smell good etcetera etcetera). That doesn't mean you have to wear a tuxedo of course. Closed shoes, long pants and a nice (t-) shirt will do most of the time.

It's like Phordphan says: Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't get their respect if you're ignoring that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker.[/QUOTE]I rarely repeat with a hooker or become "friends" with them after, but I met a chick from Surin last year in Lucifer and she has managed to keep the channels of communication open. And if that does happen, then I still see the girl as the original hooker that I picked up. I still give them 1000 for LT and 500 for ST. I don't cross over and stop giving hookers money; likewise I don't give money to non-pros.

So she hit me up a couple of weeks ago saying she was in the bus on the way to Pattaya to see her friend. I said great, then I will see you when you get here. She had no idea I was in Pattaya. When she got to Pattaya she met her friend at Central Festival then later came over to my place with luggage in tow. We had a good time going out to eat and stuff the first night.

The second day I was able to get rid of her during my gym time. She went with her friend again. When she came back later that evening she had new eyebrows tattooed on. I couldn't stop laughing. That night we headed over to Thepprasit market so I could get a mole removed and to eat fish. We came back and turned in early that night.

The next day I told her that my friends were in town and I would be hanging out with them. When gym time came I dropped her and her things off at her friend's place and left her with 2000 baht. I was under the impression that she would be going back to Surin that day or the next.

She messaged me regularly saying that she missed me and all. Two days later she sent me a message: "Teerak I'm still not go back... Because my aunt want I stay with her... But I have no money. " My one word reply: OK. "But I go back to Surin tomorrow. Can you give me for buy ticket Teerak." (This is the first time that I can remember that she has ever called me teerak.) Two word answer: Mai dai (Can not). Sad face emoticons from her.

She called later and said that she only came to Pattaya to see me. I had to laugh. Bih, you didn't even know I was home when you told me you were coming. You sent me a message saying you were going to Pattaya to see a friend. (Or was I supposed to act like I did not remember that?)

That night I saw her come into 808 while I was sitting by the door with my friends. We greeted each other and she went her way with her friend - and a sexy friend it was (no loss of face Uncle V - They know you are in Pattaya to find chicks the same way that you found them.)

Two days later she sent me a message saying that she had made it home and to let her know when she could come back and visit me again.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1693420].....So glad this kind of friendly, odd personalities are around in the world, putting smiles on so many faces....[/QUOTE]Reminds of this other guy I spotted in Pattaya, bare torso, wearing red sash covering his privates with wild hair (curls), glasses. I think was trying to pull off the red devil thingy. He did put a smile on my face.

[QUOTE=Jwdub;1693349]So speak the 2 week millionaire. Listen all your doing in running around in your fancy clothes is telling these ladies yes I can afford to pay you more than the.

Other guy. There is a difference of looking for a GF with a legit job and a hooker. Now I am not saying the other extreme of a slob wearing the same clothes.

For a week and not bathing is a chick magnet, but there is a happy medium. First and foremost these ladies are looking for a payoff from a decent guy who they.

Have nothing to worry about. I'll bet that Mr. E can get the same girl you are lusting after for at least 33% less because he knows the game here (BTW E I live here.

And anytime you want to grab a beer let me know I'm a big fan of yours). Your really only fooling yourself in thinking that there impressed with your flashy lifestyle.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you got the impression that I wear fancy clothes and have a flashy lifestyle. In the day time I'm wearing shorts, t-shirt and sandals (without socks). First of all because of the weather and second because I usually don't pick up hookers in the day time. Although there are exceptions and I don't change clothes then, LOL.

In the evening when I go out hunting I change to closed shoes, long pants and a t-shirt. But all casual, nothing really fancy and certainly no hip brands. I don't know anything about fashion and I hate shopping for clothes!

So I think I fit the description that you give of a decent guy.

[QUOTE=DivineBaal;1693435]LOL. I don't pay to get respect. I just pay for FFF. They provide a service for a fee and it is an agreement that both parties accept. Something different if you go for LTGF. Else. If I wear a tee, shorts and flipflops or slcks, shirt and fancy shoes. Still up to both parties to agree to share some time or not. Cannot see what respect has to do with it?

Wear what you want.[/QUOTE]You cannot see what respect has to do with it? Almost all of the WG's and freelancers pay a lot of attention to their appearance: clothes, shoes, make up, hair etc. (with the exception maybe of a part of the beer bar population and street walkers). I just don't want to look like a fool to them and all the people who see us when I pick them up and take them to my hotel. And I don't want them to feel embarrassed.

Just look around you when you are in Pattaya, Bangkok, Angeles or any other monger destination and see how silly it is when a lovely looking girl is accompanied by a shabby looking man. These girls must feel very unrespected (if that's an English word).

Here we go again. This topic pops up so often it becomes tiring. There are Dandies and slobs. They both are getting laid. Can we change the subject to tax cuts that stimulate economic growth that makes everybody rich? How about English grammar. ? Working girls appreciate and respect someone who uses proper grammar.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1693490]You cannot see what respect has to do with it? Almost all of the WG's and freelancers pay a lot of attention to their appearance: clothes, shoes, make up, hair etc. (with the exception maybe of a part of the beer bar population and street walkers). I just don't want to look like a fool to them and all the people who see us when I pick them up and take them to my hotel. And I don't want them to feel embarrassed.[/QUOTE]They pay attention to how they look because the burden is on them to pick someone up. We paid all of our attention when we went to work to earn the money that they want from us.

Sure. The fact that you are well groomed and dressed nicely will smooth over the embarassment already present from the entire town knowing that she is a prostitute and you are her trick. There is no trick like a well dressed one I always say. Look at that hooker with the foreign john holding hands in public. Yeah, but at least he had the right mind to put on slacks!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1693635]They pay attention to how they look because the burden is on them to pick someone up. We paid all of our attention when we went to work to earn the money that they want from us.

Sure. The fact that you are well groomed and dressed nicely will smooth over the embarassment already present from the entire town knowing that she is a prostitute and you are her trick. There is no trick like a well dressed one I always say. Look at that hooker with the foreign john holding hands in public. Yeah, but at least he had the right mind to put on slacks![/QUOTE]I know, even when you're dressed well it's still obvious in most cases that you're a monger and she's a prostitute. And most certainly in Pattaya. And also when there's a huge age difference.

But it's all about keeping up appearances. The least you can do IMO is make it look less embarrassing for her and for yourself.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1693611]How about English grammar. ? Working girls appreciate and respect someone who uses proper grammar.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting topic, we haven't had that one before. Can you explain why WG's appreciate and respect that?
And can you explain how they can tell your grammar is correct when they hardly speak English themselves, LOL!

Hmm, I hope my grammar is correct in this post.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1693611] Can we change the subject to tax cuts that stimulate economic growth that makes everybody rich?[/QUOTE]Nah, better not. I don't want to make the republicans of this board furious when I say that tax cuts usually only make a small group rich(er).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1693490]Just look around you when you are in Pattaya, Bangkok, Angeles or any other monger destination and see how silly it is when a lovely looking girl is accompanied by a shabby looking man. These girls must feel very unrespected (if that's an English word).[/QUOTE]The girl does not have to go with these smelly, dirty mongers. They do it for the money, not for respect. I do agree, anywhere in the world, even in grocery stores or just walking and even at work, a well mannered, nicely dressed person does get more respect without doing anything extra. I don't like to wear cheap clothes etc. And dress in designer clothes as we live one life, just live it beautifully than looking like a tramp. I respect everyone anywhere in the world I may be and it does not cost me anything to be nice and pleasant. I have also found that hookers also may give freebies and a better sex session with a pleasantly smelling and a well dressed respectful person. What I was saying was that anyone can get game if they have the money but the quality may be lower and maybe not a good a sex session as the girl may want to get away from a smelly person. I am not a judge of others and I just take care of myself. Enjoy mongering.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692753]I decided to check off Devils Den experience from my bucket list so utilized their services last week. I selected a couple girls from their website but when I called David, the helpful manager, I was told they were either ill or unavailable. Then, I decided it would be best to stop in to choose two girls directly.

I did want to use the rooms there as I hear they are not all that great and wanted them to come to my room as I am staying in a very nice place.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report Tomasb. It sounded like the usual Devils Den fare ie a mixed bag. My sessions with their ladies have ranged from epic to awful but the place is truly unique.

I donno but the DD incall experience does have its charms. All the mirrors, the sex swing, and the porn movies add to the seedy and gritty ambiance. When in Rome be like a Roman!

SL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1693671]Nah, better not. I don't want to make the republicans of this board furious when I say that tax cuts usually only make a small group rich(er).[/QUOTE]Why would God fearing Republicans (Yanks not anti-monarchists) be on a forum about purchasing pussy?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1693723]Why would God fearing Republicans (Yanks not anti-monarchists) be on a forum about purchasing pussy?[/QUOTE]Orange County, California is both ground zero for conservative politics and the swingers' Mecca. I'm not making this up.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1693739]Orange County, California is both ground zero for conservative politics and the swingers' Mecca. I'm not making this up.[/QUOTE]The Liberals can't help but try and destroy Orange County Politics by holding their swinger parties there.

Hogway. Not all RePubicans are god fearing, just like not all Liberal idiots are non-god fearing.

"It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get. "

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693695]... I have also found that hookers also may give freebies and a better sex session with a pleasantly smelling and a well dressed respectful person. What I was saying was that anyone can get game if they have the money but the quality may be lower and maybe not a good a sex session as the girl may want to get away from a smelly person. I am not a judge of others and I just take care of myself. Enjoy mongering.[/QUOTE]

The monger's appearance is not the only criteria, but it does count for many girls, especially when dealing with attractive freelancers.

Of course, it not difficult to get laid in Thailand, whatever the clothes you wear, but according to my own experience, most attractive freelancers would more likely go with someone who is smiling, clean, decently dressed and respectful than with an individual who does not care about his appearance, even if the latter is willing to pay more money. IMHO, it's not the punter's clothes, but his overall general attitude that matters the most. However, clothes are undoubtedly one non-negligible discriminating criteria among the many things that are taken into account by P4P girls (at least, the most popular and/or less desperate ones).

But it's true that it's not a good idea to dress yourself with too fashionable and/or costly clothes (or to stay at a very expensive hotel), because you will quite often be considered as a 'very rich' - that means, much more than the average punter - person (or a newbie in certain circumstances) and you will most likely be quoted at first a higher price by the P4P girls.

Speaking Thai usually helps too, but not always, as some girls will then think that you already know "too much" and will less likely see you as a prospective husband or long-term boyfriend (sponsor), as it's also what some of those girls are looking for in the long run.

As the saying goes: everything in moderation!

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1693723]Why would God fearing Republicans (Yanks not anti-monarchists) be on a forum about purchasing pussy?[/QUOTE]He's just showing his ignorance by trying to be cute. Tax policy affects everybody, and it changes the behavior of virtually all businesses and people. It's hardly something to be taken lightly, but this is certainly not the forum for discussing it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1693171]Hell, in my favorite destinations (Brazil and Germany) you take your damn clothes off and walk around in a robe or just a towel! How you dress has nothing to do with it. But even in other places where I have mongered that aren't terma or FKK set-ups, as you say money, personality, looks, and hygiene have more to do with it than anything else. Who the hell cares what I'm wearing? It's all coming off anyway LOL! Wherever this conversation goes please, please, please let's not debate the pros and cons of wearing shorts not ever again! I had enough of that one man! But these guys who think you need to wine and dine and dress to the nines, I call those guys "Don Juan Johns". If you think you need to do all that, then fine. But, I'm here to tell you that you don't. Just be clean with some green in your pockets and some friendly confidence in your soul, and you can be fucking the finest tute in the cat house according to your own personal tastes. She won't give a "rip" about your clothes. Take it from seasoned, international "mongerers" who know.[/QUOTE]I never "wine and dine" or as I like to put it, "wh*remance. " But I am in damn good shape for a 50 yr old dude (gym 5 times a week, cardio 6). Keep my nuts, shaft, taint, and keister shaved (TMI, I know but I am making a point), am always fresh and clean (can't imagine anyone not showering 2 to 3 times a day in Thailand), and I don't wear shorts, Red Bull Tshirts, or flip flops in the evening. I live in Bangkok and really never even wear shorts here except when I am headed to the gym. In Patters I would do shorts in the day. For me it is good selvedge denim, quality heavy Jersey Ts, Red Wings, or Chucks.

I never tip at oilies and I get great service from my regulars. This is not South America or Europe. You will get better service here if you are well groomed, dress well, and smell good. It's a fact. After living here for 15 plus years I realize that looks are everything. How it really is does not matter. How it "appears" is everything. That is just so contrary to us Westerners, but we need to try and get our heads around it. Looking good earns you points, lots of points.

So yes, she does give a "rip" about how you look and you mongers should as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1693835]I never "wine and dine" or as I like to put it, "wh*remance. " But I am in damn good shape for a 50 yr old dude (gym 5 times a week, cardio 6). Keep my nuts, shaft, taint, and keister shaved (TMI, I know but I am making a point), am always fresh and clean (can't imagine anyone not showering 2 to 3 times a day in Thailand), and I don't wear shorts, Red Bull Tshirts, or flip flops in the evening. I live in Bangkok and really never even wear shorts here except when I am headed to the gym. In Patters I would do shorts in the day. For me it is good selvedge denim, quality heavy Jersey Ts, Red Wings, or Chucks.

I never tip at oilies and I get great service from my regulars. This is not South America or Europe. You will get better service here if you are well groomed, dress well, and smell good. It's a fact. After living here for 15 plus years I realize that looks are everything. How it really is does not matter. How it "appears" is everything. That is just so contrary to us Westerners, but we need to try and get our heads around it. Looking good earns you points, lots of points.

So yes, she does give a "rip" about how you look and you mongers should as well.[/QUOTE]What amazes me is why all these young, fit, great smelling, well dressed studs need to pay for it. Back when I was all that I sure didn't, LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1693835]I never "wine and dine" or as I like to put it, "wh*remance. " But I am in damn good shape for a 50 yr old dude (gym 5 times a week, cardio 6). Keep my nuts, shaft, taint, and keister shaved (TMI, I know but I am making a point), am always fresh and clean (can't imagine anyone not showering 2 to 3 times a day in Thailand), and I don't wear shorts, Red Bull Tshirts, or flip flops in the evening. I live in Bangkok and really never even wear shorts here except when I am headed to the gym. In Patters I would do shorts in the day. For me it is good selvedge denim, quality heavy Jersey Ts, Red Wings, or Chucks.

I never tip at oilies and I get great service from my regulars. This is not South America or Europe. You will get better service here if you are well groomed, dress well, and smell good. It's a fact. After living here for 15 plus years I realize that looks are everything. How it really is does not matter. How it "appears" is everything. That is just so contrary to us Westerners, but we need to try and get our heads around it. Looking good earns you points, lots of points.

So yes, she does give a "rip" about how you look and you mongers should as well.[/QUOTE]Uh like I said, I know what part of the world we're in. I've lived in it just like you have (5 years is long enough to know). There's this "vibe" here that we're in Asia and not "over there". Do you think that societies in S. America or Europe in general care less about how people dress? Because if you do then you're dead wrong! I've lived in those parts of the world too and know better than that. Tell that to people who know a place like say Colombia and see what kind of reaction you get! And your post actually makes my point. This whole thing started (again) with a discussion about clothes. I said don't get hung up on the clothes, that there's more to "appearance" than just clothes, and that one should focus on dressing appropriately for the environment they're in, and have good hygiene. And then what did you do? You went on a rant about being in shape, practicing good grooming habits, and keeping your nuts, taint, and ass clean while cloaking your body in clean clothing. Exactly! That's all one has to do! Thanks for making my point! When it comes to picking up prostitutes, do all that anywhere in the world you go, and you'll do just fine (as long as you have the money) because I say again that with that the tutes won't give a rip about how "well-dressed" you are! They will care far more about what you're prepared to pay for their services. We're not talking about trying to get with women at a high society ball. We're talking about procuring prostitutes for crying out loud! So thanks again for making my case!

Sup Fellas,

Here's my FR from pattaya. I unfortunately didn't have much time left to spend in Thailand, so I only could spend one day and night in Pattaya. I had to see the sleaze capital of the world and to partake as well. I stayed at the diamond beach hotel right on walking street. The hotel is okay, but it's definitely girl friendly. I booked through agoda, but it turns out it was cheaper if you pay for the room when you arrive, by a large margin. They wanted 850 THB total before I told them I already booked, but I paid $36 after booking and taxes. The breakfast wasn't great either. Looked like everything was cheap and from a mutant factory. But it's within walking distance from all of the action.

I walked all up and down walking street several times, some parts of beach street, and lots of the side streets. It's quite overwhelming, even after I've been to all the red light districts in Bangkok, Bangla road in Phuket, geyland in Singapore, hotel del rey in san jose, and other various places. There's so much going on, but it was a Wednesday night, so the talent wasn't anything great. Lots of good options though, and having read through the forums prior to venturing out, I got a good base for what the prices would be, and the good places to go were. There were a ton of lady boys as well, and sometimes it was hard to tell who was a boy and who was not. But it seems like there are specific places that they mostly work out of. One of the main ones being the country rock bar or country bar or something like that. I did notice that the area with a lot of eastern European / Russian women, I specifically harassed hard by them, because I am Asian American. I guess most Asians males come here and session with the white women, rather than the Thais. I try to seek out locals in whatever country I'm in.

I head first into I bar, because earlier I noticed the type of music they were playing were within my wheelhouse, and there seemed like a good amount of ladies in there. There were a ton of women here, more so than men obviously, lots of stunners, and a few cute ones. Many were occupied, and I got a few looks. But no one stared me down or came to talk to me. It would be a nice environment to get a free lancer here, if they were freelancers. Doesn't seem like there would be a barfine, unless someone wants to correct me on this. I decided I was going to start from one end of the street and continue going to every agogo until I find my company for the night. I start in casanovy, but the talent in the place is only okay. No one came to talk to me. I only got eye contact from a few of the dancers, but everyone was nude, so you know what you get upfront. After my beer, I move next door to skyfall agogo. The place is pretty upscale. The service is really good and prompt, but a little pushy for drinks. The talent here is a lot better. They have two types of girls, nude dancers, and just regular dancers. All girls will barfine though. They seat me near the entrance, but I couldn't see anything, so I moved to center. I had noticed that outside in the front, that there were numerous hot girls trying to get people to come in. If all the hot girls are outside, then the inside talent must not be good. OR that the girls inside might even be hotter. I saw a hottie that I wanted to potentially session with, and was going to find her later. I instantly get talked to by two non-nude girls. Although very cute, they weren't in my hotness range. The nude dancers were all wearing red see through lingerie, and I noticed one of the most beautiful women sitting by herself about 15 feet away from me. She's the classic thai beauty. Has all the typical features of thai women. Smoky eyes, thick eye brows, full pouty lips, and upper back length brown dyed hair. What sold me on her was her sexy body, big perky Ccup breasts, and the most delicious looking booty I have ever seen on an Asian woman, almost on any woman. Nice, big, firm, high and tight, the type you see in ads for yoga pants. My goodness. When I saw her dance, I was mesmerized. One of the non-nude girls figured I wasn't interested so she left, but the other girl, named Vicki, wanted to just sit and chat, and help me close a deal with one of the other girls. I asked one of the servers to buy the dancer a drink for me, any drink. She stared in my direction to thank me, while I continued to chat up Vicki. She finished her two songs and came to talk to me. Her name is May, she's 24, with a 4 year old, from Pattaya. I asked her what was on her menu, in typical thai fashion, she says "up to you", but not much was offered. A woman this beautiful might not be real, so I made sure she is a woman and always has been a woman. Even though she could still lie about it, but nothing gave me doubts about her original biological gender. I wanted DFK, BBBJ, and CIM. She only does DFK and CBJ. Barfine is 1500 THB and her rate was 2000 THB. It's around the going rate, maybe a little higher, than what I saw everyone in this forum was paying. It's a Wednesday night, and for one of the most beautiful women I've ever had the pleasure to lay my eyes on, it's a done deal, she agrees to 1900. It was around 1:30 am, and she had to leave at 4:00 am. So I got about 2 hours for short time.

She goes to change, and wears this cute dress and we head back to my hotel by foot. I got accepting nods from the staff and door man. We get undressed and take a shower. My God, this girl is so dorky, it's insane. She's one of those girls that probably grew up very ugly and a tomboy, and then magically one day developed into a gorgeous woman, and never realized it. She had perky Ccup boobs, which looked and felt fantastic, but weren't real. I couldn't find scars anywhere on her body, underboob, sideboob, nipple, armpit, navel, nothing. Not sure how they got them in there. She also had a good amount of makeup on, in Skyfall with the dim lighting, it looks great. But up close and in a very well lit room like my hotel, it wasn't great. The makeup looks caked on, and she used it to cover up what little acne scars she has on her face. Maybe too much red blush on the cheeks, and white powder or foundation all over. She compliments me on my body, asking how often I work out (4 x a week). I compliment her on her body, but her only workout is from dancing on stage (which must be pretty often to have an amazing body like hers). She puts on a shower cap to keep her hair dry, and she washes me thoroughly, even being playful during the whole thing. She takes my manhood and shoves it between her legs and starts making porno noises, which cracks me up, and then does it again later, this time from behind. I noticed something during the shower, Thai women really know how to take care of a man. I mean, I've never been treated this way before by any woman of any country. She was so caring, and loving during the whole shower. She just didn't want to clean me for hygienic purposes, she made sure I enjoyed it. She was flirtacious, and playful, and none of it felt like a chore for her and it I didn't seem mechanical. This will happen to me again later in Bangkok. I can see why so many people flock to Thailand, the women are beautiful and go out of their way to make a man feel like a king. Plus everything is cheap, the cost of living relatively low, and the country is beautiful, and the people are friendly and nice. There's lots to do, and can keep the most extreme adventure seekers busy, and the most hardcore party goer pooped out after one week.

We get to the bed and make out like horny teenagers. She cuddles and caresses me, lightly kissing me on the lips. She wraps her legs and arms around me, and I slip one finger inside of her. She's already wet, and I get her wetter to slide my second finger inside of her. You can tell she's had a kid, the second finger slide in easily, and while finger banging her, there was a bit of room to work with. She's been the only girl that I've sessioned with in all of south east asia that has had a kid. So, I've been only used to the small and tightness of Asian women in my trip. She still felt good, and tasted even better. I kissed that gorgeous bottom so much, you would think I was trying to eat it. I had to have her, and be inside of her right away. I skip the foreplay and put the cover on and take her to pound town, 1 VIP ticket. I'm running out of time, so I go to my favorite position which is mish, and pound for a good 45 minutes, making out during the whole thing. She was tall enough for me to do so. Tell her how much I love her, and she tells me she loves me too. When I was about to cum, I pound away and shove my tongue down her throat when I blast my full load inside of her. I go clean up, but it's about 3 am at this point. It would take about another hour for me to be able to go again, and probably another hour or so to nut. I give myself 5 minutes to decide if I can go again. We cuddle and chat a bit. I tell her how much I love her, and she says we can keep in touch by email. I laugh out loud really hard, and I think she got offended. I think she really wanted to keep in touch, maybe I can see her when and if I am in town again. But my work and life has me bouncing to too many places, and my life and lifestyle won't allow me to be with a woman more than twice. It'll be too much work. I explain this to her, and she understands. So feeling bad about all of it, and deciding that I can't go immediately again, I tell her that we can't go again, and that I like sleeping alone. She takes the hint, and goes to shower. I watch her put her sexy panties on, and watch that amazing a $$ one last time. I tell her I love her, pay her, and she says she loves me too, gives me one last kiss, and gone from my life forever.

Face: 8. 5.

Body: 9.

Service: 7. 5.

A true girl friend experience.

She was so beautiful, and that body amazing, I couldn't stop thinking about it the very next morning. I had to rub one out.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1693856]What amazes me is why all these young, fit, great smelling, well dressed studs need to pay for it. Back when I was all that I sure didn't, LOL.[/QUOTE]Some of us, and I include myself in the described group solely because I have new shoes, would rather pay than put up with the BS. Yes, back in the day (late 60's-early 70's) there was some legitimate "Free Love", but I've watched enough of my friends find out the hard way that there is almost always baggage to a "no commitments" relationship. Maybe not, but I don't play the lottery, either.

It's the "You pay them to leave" thing.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1693856]What amazes me is why all these young, fit, great smelling, well dressed studs need to pay for it. Back when I was all that I sure didn't, LOL.[/QUOTE]It's cute that you think us young, fit, great smelling, well dressed studs only get laid by paying for it. I have an addiction I need to feed, free or not.

I think being all of those things above, makes the session easier for the girls. Also, asking for extras is easier, and they are more willing to do it. It also helps me attract the non WGs, so it's a win-win to be so.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1693856]What amazes me is why all these young, fit, great smelling, well dressed studs need to pay for it. Back when I was all that I sure didn't, LOL.[/QUOTE]Not that young, but the modern woman definitely listen to their favourite radiostation alot, WII-FM, (What's In It For Me).

Case in point:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iyeUcFKRv4[/URL]

Happy weekend, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1693873]Some of us, and I include myself in the described group solely because I have new shoes, would rather pay than put up with the BS. Yes, back in the day (late 60's-early 70's) there was some legitimate "Free Love", but I've watched enough of my friends find out the hard way that there is almost always baggage to a "no commitments" relationship. Maybe not, but I don't play the lottery, either.

It's the "You pay them to leave" thing.[/QUOTE]I agree where it comes to relationships but this discussion is of the one night or shorter variety. Non p4 p don't do one nitestands anymore?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1693880]I agree where it comes to relationships but this discussion is of the one night or shorter variety. Non p4 p don't do one nitestands anymore?[/QUOTE]My last second hand knowledge is that, as of about three months ago, they do. I know that because a friend did one. When I left for my trip three weeks ago he was still getting occasional texts from his one night stand.

That is what I meant about not playing the lottery: I do not understand women. I think that anyone who says he does does not understand the situation. You could get a signed form, declaring that upon cessation of fornication all bonds, real or perceived, are severed and void. You could get it notarized. You could have it read into the USA Congressional Record. That is no guarantee that you will not get the call or text, "But didn't that night mean ANYTHING to you? I know you never said that you loved me, but I felt it, didn't you?

And then your car gets keyed.

True it may be a small minority, but if you're scoring as much as we do when we are over here doing the P4 P, that minority is going to get you. I don't need the hassle, even when I am paying (directly) for it. On the rare times I BF a bar girl I either do the ST hotel or check into a different hotel for the night. With the different hotel trick I've had the more immediate problem of the girl wanting to spend the night at no extra cost. Kind of hard to toss her out unless you are a cold SOB, "But you have me for free! You no like me now?

I don't like sleeping with people. I mean that in the original, literal sense: I wish that term was never corrupted into a euphemism for sex. So I have to wait for her to nod off, then make my escape to the other bed or the couch. One clever minx trapped me against the wall. You should see a sweaty naked guy, at the time about 120 kilos, crawling in slo-mo over a tiny bar girl. Okay, maybe not: You'd be scarred for life. But I made it, leg cramps and all. But I digress. What the hell were we talking about?

Oh, yeah: One night stands. I'll stick with two-to-three hours stands via P4 P. Just easier and way less hassle possibilities.

And why the hell can't I get closing quotation marks on my sentences?

I know it is bit late but still thought to tell about my experience and hope it might be useful to someone. I made my first trip to Pattaya last year in August for one week.

As for my background, I am of Indian origin born and brought up in Africa and now an Australian citizen living in Australia since many years.

Hotel. I stayed in Whitehouse Condotel on Soi 13. Nice hotel and within walking distance to Beach road and LK Metro. I paid b1350/ night including breakfast. Now they have increased.

The rate to b1600/ night.

I tried to visit few Go Go on Walking Street and LK Metro but was not allowed entry in most of them due to my Indian background. It was really disappointed as I am well qualified professional.

And have western civilized manners. The security people just don't look at anything or listen and deny entry. I was allowed entry in Sensations on Walking Street and one Go Go on.

LK metro (I don't remember the name where I was denied entry the first time but when I was passing by again, the mamasan saw me and invited me in). Even after entering the place.

Most of the good looking girls were not interested in me. Open discrimination or racism and nothing can be done about it. I understand the reason behind it as most of the Indians who.

Visit Thailand are low to middle class people and they are not civilized. I personally saw some very cheap behavior by Indians which made me very sad. If any of senior members has.

Suggestions how to work around this issue, please share.

Enough of whinging now the mongering part:

- I picked up an Uzbek free lancer from Mixx disco who asked for 4000 LT. I took her to my hotel and after first shot, I was too tired as it was my first night. She saw this and told me.

That she was happy to make it ST for 2000. I appreciated her thoughtfulness and gave her 2000 and she left.

- I had a girl visit me at hotel for overnight from Devil Den. She was amazing as we had a chat, joked, drank and listened to different music. She gave me a really good rimming. We.

Had two rounds in the night and we slept at 1 am. I also had her to visit me second time for 90 minutes as I was impressed with her rimming skills. She has now stopped working and.

Pursuing her other career. Good luck to her.

- I have never tried anal so had another girl who provided anal visit me from Devil Den for 90 minutes. She was OK.

- I had a massage from Honey Massage in LK Metro. It was mechanical and OK.

- The highlight of my trip was a beautiful semi-pro free lancer that I picked up from Beach Road and spent two nights with her. My girlfriend for two days.

Besides mongering, I visited few places around Pattaya. I liked beaches on Koh Larn island.

I found one thing challenging was adjusting to the schedule. As I am used to sleep / wake up early and go to my 9-5 job, I could just not sleep for 7-8 hours when I went to bed at.

4-5 am. This had big impact on my energy levels.

I am visiting Pattaya again end of March for ten days and looking forward to have more fun.

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[QUOTE=FunlvGguy;1694106]I know it is bit late but still thought to tell about my experience and hope it might be useful to someone. I made my first trip to Pattaya last year in August for one week.

As for my background, I am of Indian origin born and brought up in Africa and now an Australian citizen living in Australia since many years.

Hotel. I stayed in Whitehouse Condotel on Soi 13. Nice hotel and within walking distance to Beach road and LK Metro. I paid b1350/ night including breakfast. Now they have increased.

The rate to b1600/ night.

I tried to visit few Go Go on Walking Street and LK Metro but was not allowed entry in most of them due to my Indian background. It was really disappointed as I am well qualified professional.

And have western civilized manners. The security people just don't look at anything or listen and deny entry. I was allowed entry in Sensations on Walking Street and one Go Go on.

LK metro (I don't remember the name where I was denied entry the first time but when I was passing by again, the mamasan saw me and invited me in). Even after entering the place.

Most of the good looking girls were not interested in me. Open discrimination or racism and nothing can be done about it. I understand the reason behind it as most of the Indians who.

Visit Thailand are low to middle class people and they are not civilized. I personally saw some very cheap behavior by Indians which made me very sad. If any of senior members has.

Suggestions how to work around this issue, please share.

Enough of whinging now the mongering part:

- I picked up an Uzbek free lancer from Mixx disco who asked for 4000 LT. I took her to my hotel and after first shot, I was too tired as it was my first night. She saw this and told me.

That she was happy to make it ST for 2000. I appreciated her thoughtfulness and gave her 2000 and she left.

- I had a girl visit me at hotel for overnight from Devil Den. She was amazing as we had a chat, joked, drank and listened to different music. She gave me a really good rimming. We.

Had two rounds in the night and we slept at 1 am. I also had her to visit me second time for 90 minutes as I was impressed with her rimming skills. She has now stopped working and.

Pursuing her other career. Good luck to her.

- I have never tried anal so had another girl who provided anal visit me from Devil Den for 90 minutes. She was OK.

- I had a massage from Honey Massage in LK Metro. It was mechanical and OK.

- The highlight of my trip was a beautiful semi-pro free lancer that I picked up from Beach Road and spent two nights with her. My girlfriend for two days.

Besides mongering, I visited few places around Pattaya. I liked beaches on Koh Larn island.

I found one thing challenging was adjusting to the schedule. As I am used to sleep / wake up early and go to my 9-5 job, I could just not sleep for 7-8 hours when I went to bed at.

4-5 am. This had big impact on my energy levels.

I am visiting Pattaya again end of March for ten days and looking forward to have more fun.

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[QUOTE=FunlvGguy;1694106]....I tried to visit few Go Go on Walking Street and LK Metro but was not allowed entry in most of them due to my Indian background. It was really disappointed as I am well qualified professional...[/QUOTE]Dude, this is common in Pattaya, I think a better way for you would have been to have read the forum in advance of your visit. That way, you would have known the spots (at least some of them) which discriminate against Indians (I have reported on several places which are not happy to let us in despite the willingness to spend several baht) and you would have either learnt to manage your expectations better or alternatively to have avoided them entirely.

I have developed a thick skin for this over time, and also I do not pick from the Go-Gos in Pattaya anymore. I only go in to watch what's available and then after I have felt some boob and ass, I move on.

Decent to very good FL options are available all over the place, but to be specific, I-Bar / Insomnia should be a good place to start. You have already tried Mixx which I like. 808 used to be Indian friendly when they opened up, but not so anymore, so avoid. Marine is Indian friendly (they even have our flag out front, LOL).

On WS, in terms of the Go-Gos, you can check out Windmills / Private Dancer / Sugarbabys / Angelwitch are a few places where you should have better luck. But re the girls YMMV.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1693933]
I don't like sleeping with people. I mean that in the original, literal sense: I wish that term was never corrupted into a euphemism for sex. So I have to wait for her to nod off, then make my escape to the other bed or the couch. One clever minx trapped me against the wall. You should see a sweaty naked guy, at the time about 120 kilos, crawling in slo-mo over a tiny bar girl. Okay, maybe not: You'd be scarred for life. But I made it, leg cramps and all. But I digress. What the hell were we talking about?[/QUOTE]Haha, You are one sick puppy amigo. But your comments make of an entertaining and amusing read.

I am the exact opposite. I like to spend time with the girl. Do the GFE thing. Build up the illusion that it is more than just pay for play. And then I get bored with them and move on to another.

So I guess we are all sick puppies in our own way. .

If that make me a Don Juan John, so be it. It makes me happy and I am having a good time. And the girls seem to be too.

I don't have to act like I am "Iceberg Slim- Superfly TNT" and I could give a fuck all what the other lowlifes in Pattaya think when they see me walking down the street hand in hand with a bargirl.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1693933]That is what I meant about not playing the lottery: I do not understand women. I think that anyone who says he does does not understand the situation. You could get a signed form, declaring that upon cessation of fornication all bonds, real or perceived, are severed and void. You could get it notarized. You could have it read into the USA Congressional Record. That is no guarantee that you will not get the call or text, "But didn't that night mean ANYTHING to you? I know you never said that you loved me, but I felt it, didn't you?[/QUOTE]Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood. (Oscar Wilde).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1694197]Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood. (Oscar Wilde).[/QUOTE]Spoken by a man whose marriage went sour and who did two years' hard labor for "Gross Indecency" with a younger man.

I prefer the anonymous, "If it floats, flies, or f*cks, rent. Don't buy!

Uncle V: "If that make me a Don Juan John, so be it. ".

I guess that makes me Rocky, and not the boxer whose eyes never seemed to open all the way. Rocky the flying squirrel (perhaps you were tragically deprived of that cartoon). No, I'm not saying that Rocky was heavily into P4 P, though really we only saw him for half an hour a week. Who knows? It's that I caught two of my little night visitors in what passes for flying squirrel passion: he was on her, off her, on her, off her, and so on for several minutes, pausing in between to eat, look down at my driveway, lick his privates. Basically everything I do or wish I could do at home. She stopped eating once or twice in all the passion of the moment. When a final ride left him falling to the floor they both fled, presumably never to see each other again unless they were both hungry or she was in heat again.

He is my hero. A nocturnal rodent is my hero. You're right, a sick puppy!

If you're interested (and you don't have to admit it) see: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFLMXScgPM[/URL].

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1693878]It's cute that you think us young, fit, great smelling, well dressed studs only get laid by paying for it. I have an addiction I need to feed, free or not.[/QUOTE]That's the problem I have with ISG. Most of the guys here have the mentality that there is no such thing as a woman that has sex with a guy but is not a hooker. And if I post reports about such a woman then I am accused of bragging. And if I don't give money to a woman who is not a hooker then I am the lowest of the low because even though they are not hookers "they expect it". These same guys complain about women back home and say they are all about money. I wonder why? To me it is a case of making your own bed. I will never in 1000 years understand that type of mentality. Like you ThomKatt, I prefer a healthy mix of both, non-pros and hookers. I'm not on to not want anything to do with a woman unless I know she is ready to open her legs for me. Time and place.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1694217]
He is my hero. A nocturnal rodent is my hero. You're right, a sick puppy![/QUOTE]Squirrels ha? Maybe "you're nuts" is more appropriate.

Only joking of course!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1694197]Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood. (Oscar Wilde).[/QUOTE]Can we all agree on the following adaptation?

"Women are meant to be fucked not understood. ".

LOL.

Otherwise to each his own.

No recent FRs to be found. Any members visited recently? I would like to explore on my next trip or should I avoid it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1694273]That's the problem I have with ISG. Most of the guys here have the mentality that there is no such thing as a woman that has sex with a guy but is not a hooker. And if I post reports about such a woman then I am accused of bragging. And if I don't give money to a woman who is not a hooker then I am the lowest of the low because even though they are not hookers "they expect it". These same guys complain about women back home and say they are all about money. I wonder why? To me it is a case of making your own bed. I will never in 1000 years understand that type of mentality. Like you ThomKatt, I prefer a healthy mix of both, non-pros and hookers. I'm not on to not want anything to do with a woman unless I know she is ready to open her legs for me. Time and place.[/QUOTE]Brother,

It is not bragging. Live life the way it fits you. If getting it for free then hats of to you and if you pay for some sweet as pussy. Then that's OK to. If it puts a smile on your face then fuck what all pea-pole on ISG thinks.

Was in a very short 21/2 day visit to Pattaya. My first visit out to this part of the world. Got a lot of useful information from the forum -so time to give back. Overall, I thought my mileage / interactions were slightly different (may be because of my ethnicity. I look Indian but behave and speak like an American).

Day 1: Reached Pattaya AM and got into Aya (read my review on the hotels section) - not much going on that early -so decided to go to a "regular" spa to get a genuine "Thai massage". Highly recommend Oasis Spa. Was great experience (no happy ending here whatsoever -don't even think about it). Found a decent Indian restaurant (Maharaja?) to eat which pretty much became my go to place for the 2 days that I was out there. Decided to walk to LK Metro area and get the Devil's Den bucket list activity done!. Went in about 5 pm. Place was already pretty busy and the line up was somewhat think. Picked Tammy (A+) and Ann from the lineup and off we went next door for the 90 minute incall (4000 baht). DD is definitely an experience. However, I was not super happy with Tammy's attitude (her looks were like a 4 and she had quite a scar on her shoulder). Ann was quite good -but her English next to zilch. Tried to direct the action as much as I could -with Tammy being slightly no-cooperative / painful. Eventually, I fucked her ass to shut her up somewhat. The great thing about DD is that if you are up to it. You can go any time! So, I went again and then this time I had a better time with Ann and eventually finished up with both of them receiving the goods. Needless to say, I was completely exhausted by the session that I decided not to really do any activities later that PM. Got out of DD, roamed around the beer bars in that area and then went back to hotel to rest up. Started back around 11 p,m and went to Walking Street. It was a zoo of people out there. Folks with kids in strollers etc (only in Thailand) while ladies in front of gogos enticing folks to come in. Went into Alcatraz (5+ quality there) for a few drinks, moved to Airport for a few etc. One thing I was bummed about what that Baccara stopped me while they were letting bunch of Koreans / Japs in. I can only attribute that to my ethnicity and nothing else. I moved on, decided to step into one of the two EE bars (not Dollhouse) and that was a bad / expensive idea. Drinks for two (and you had to buy the girl that was sitting with you a drink) was around 30 USD. Sat with a girl called Veronica, a cute girl and she allowed a little bit of touching and fondling while we were chatting. Turns out that in EE bars, you can't really barfine girls out. It works like US where the you can get dances for the money. A 3 pack song for 1000 baht is the one that will get you some mutual touching. I was not in a mood for just some strip club kinda dancing so I moved on from there. Went to a couple more beer bars -got [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] drunk and called it a day!.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1694336]No recent FRs to be found. Any members visited recently? I would like to explore on my next trip or should I avoid it.[/QUOTE]

I just posted a long and full report. Check about 20 posts down.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1694593]I just posted a long and full report. Check about 20 posts down.[/QUOTE]Thomkatt, I read your FR #16437 and its about walking street.

What I was referring to by Darkside was the area around Khao Talo, Bun Samphan & Noen Phalp Whan, unfortunately not much of info available in here.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1694593]I just posted a long and full report. Check about 20 posts down.[/QUOTE]Don't know how I missed it, but I finally read the report. Nicely done! I'm glad you did not go out like a cheap Charlie and splurged on a girl you were very attracted to (no pun intended. Haha). YOLO.

As for I-bar, basically all the girls are there as FLs and there is no barfine. Going rate there is between 2 and 4 K LT. SOme gems to be had, but hit and miss, and it takes a bit more time and effort. It can pay off if you are in Patts for a longer stay as you can repeat with the girl.

I'll be in town all of August and that place will probably be my bread and butter.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1694666]Thomkatt, I read your FR #16437 and its about walking street.

What I was referring to by Darkside was the area around Khao Talo, Bun Samphan & Noen Phalp Whan, unfortunately not much of info available in here.[/QUOTE]My apologies,

I didn't see your subject title, even though it was in bold.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1694666]Thomkatt, I read your FR #16437 and its about walking street.

What I was referring to by Darkside was the area around Khao Talo, Bun Samphan & Noen Phalp Whan, unfortunately not much of info available in here.[/QUOTE]Please RTFF, these are most of the reports available here (page 74, reports by Daddy07 and LittleBigMan).

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1641499&viewfull=1#post1641499[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1641782&viewfull=1#post1641782[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1641539&viewfull=1#post1641539[/URL]

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1694158]Decent to very good FL options are available all over the place, but to be specific, I-Bar / Insomnia should be a good place to start. You have already tried Mixx which I like. 808 used to be Indian friendly when they opened up, but not so anymore, so avoid. Marine is Indian friendly (they even have our flag out front, LOL).[/QUOTE]How about RC (RedCar)? Is it Indian friendly, I recently read on the forum that even RC doesn't sometimes allow. Do you have any idea? BTW RC has many good looking FL's as per last few days forum posts.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1694700]Please RTFF, these are most of the reports available here (page 74, reports by Daddy07 and LittleBigMan).[/QUOTE]Thanks Action, my bad as I read pages only upto December. I generally do refer to last 3 months of posts on any thread which give more relevant info.

Have arrived upon that visit can be avoided. Guess will stick to tourist traps unless I have a wingman who is also interested in venturing on the darkside.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1694680]

As for I-bar, basically all the girls are there as FLs and there is no barfine. Going rate there is between 2 and 4 K LT. SOme gems to be had, but hit and miss, and it takes a bit more time and effort. It can pay off if you are in Patts for a longer stay as you can repeat with the girl.

I'll be in town all of August and that place will probably be my bread and butter.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Man next time I am in Pattaya I will msg you. I was at Insomnia bar couple of times earlier in the week and left both times to go get a girl from Beach Road. The were good looking girls in the bar but it too noisy and impossible to have a convo with anyone in there.

I liked one girl, she noticed and started giving me eye contact. As am about to move to talk to her, an old guy jumps in and offer to buy her a drink. Jeez you have to act fast around this place. I waited for a while and looked over my shoulder couple of times, the guy was still there and bought few rounds of drinks. She glanced at me couple of times but I wouldn't act unless she's alone. After a while I gave up and went for a walk on Walking Street and then ran into the happy couple on their way to the hotel. I hope the old chap did us proud.

I picked a girl from Beach Road 20 minutes later and had a good session with her for 1000 Baht ST, so the nigh finished on a high note LOL.

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;1694761]How about RC (RedCar)? Is it Indian friendly, I recently read on the forum that even RC doesn't sometimes allow. Do you have any idea? BTW RC has many good looking FL's as per last few days forum posts.[/QUOTE]Been in there several times, always with Pipe. Never been to Red Car alone. Good options available, but once it closes many of the girls do not get picked up (because they expect way too much), they move to I-Bar. Grab them on their way out or follow them into the other club.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1694836]Been in there several times, always with Pipe. Never been to Red Car alone. Good options available, but once it closes many of the girls do not get picked up (because they expect way too much), they move to I-Bar. Grab them on their way out or follow them into the other club.[/QUOTE]What time does Red Car bar closes?

[QUOTE=MerZues;1694843]What time does Red Car bar closes?[/QUOTE]I think officially 12.30-1 am (starts to clear out by 12). I-bar is open till 3-4 am and Insomnia till 5-6 am.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1694846]I think officially 12.30-1 am. I-bar is open till 3-4 am and Insomina till 5-6 am.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info buddy.

It has been awhile since I have been in Pattaya. Just like to know the going rates for the girls, Bar Girls, GoGo girls, long time and short time? Also what are the cost of drinks and bar fines. I will be in Pattaya end of next week.

Many thanks in advance for any help.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1695065]It has been awhile since I have been in Pattaya. Just like to know the going rates for the girls, Bar Girls, GoGo girls, long time and short time? Also what are the cost of drinks and bar fines. I will be in Pattaya end of next week.

Many thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]Just for curiosity sake I'll ask you if you even bothered to read this forum before asking such a basic question.

SW4.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1694142]Sorry you were discriminated against here. What I have witnessed lends me to think that it is a willingness to spend money rather than ill manners or something like that. A place like Red Car disco on Walking Street wiButbar Indians and Russians. When I have seen the odd Russian couple let in a doorman kept coming around warning them they have a 3 drink minimuin. This is not the case for any other patron. Last time I was in Private Dancer GoGo on Soi 15 there were many Indians.[/QUOTE]Thanks G&T. I guess because it is cheap to fly to Thailand, many Indians try to visit but once there they realize that they can not afford things and start negotiating or behave like cheap charlie. Well because of this people like me also suffer. But on the positive note I hooked up with a young beautiful semi-pro girl and once she knew me we had fun. I am seeing her again in my coming up trip end of this month. I have to be patient and things will work out somewhere with someone.

[QUOTE=FunlvGguy;1695089]........but once there they realize that they can not afford things and start negotiating or behave like cheap charlie. Well because of this people like me also suffer. .[/QUOTE]For most Indians it's not they can't afford. It is in their genes to get everything for free if possible. No matter how educated or rich they are.

You are right that we legit people suffer because of that. I have seen it since the 90's. When people ask, I say I am from the US not from India.

These people should be dumped in places like khao San road and kept there till they depart.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1694824]Man next time I am in Pattaya I will msg you. I was at Insomnia bar couple of times earlier in the week and left both times to go get a girl from Beach Road. The were good looking girls in the bar but it too noisy and impossible to have a convo with anyone in there.

I liked one girl, she noticed and started giving me eye contact. As am about to move to talk to her, an old guy jumps in and offer to buy her a drink. Jeez you have to act fast around this place. I waited for a while and looked over my shoulder couple of times, the guy was still there and bought few rounds of drinks. She glanced at me couple of times but I wouldn't act unless she's alone. After a while I gave up and went for a walk on Walking Street and then ran into the happy couple on their way to the hotel. I hope the old chap did us proud.

I picked a girl from Beach Road 20 minutes later and had a good session with her for 1000 Baht ST, so the nigh finished on a high note LOL.[/QUOTE]You can't hesitate --that's for sure! Especially in high season when the ratio there is more punters than ladies.

I have had the same thing happen to me too many times. In December I missed out on a repeat with one of the hottest girls I'v ever laid because I was mulling over my options.

I made up for it the next time by doing a quick recon of the place and then pouncing in the hottest girl there (at least she was IMHO). Tall. Curvy, "blonde", with a beautiful face. (see pics) I damn near had to fight off the attention of other guys to get her. Guys are ruthless in high season and one parked himself right by me and my cutie and just hung out there until I gave him a nasty stare and he finally up and went.

Took her home for some good GFE. But did not repeat with her as I got involved with a real sweetheart I met on BR. LOL.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1694846]I think officially 12.30-1 am (starts to clear out by 12). I-bar is open till 3-4 am and Insomnia till 5-6 am.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ, my friend.

RC doesn't really start hopping until midnight or even later. I'm not sure when it closes as I am usually gone with a hottie under my arm.

Maybe 2 AM?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1695230]Tall. Curvy, "blonde", with a beautiful face. (see pics)[/QUOTE]Wow! Even the guy in the picture in the second picture looks impressed!

I was there a few Friday's ago until past 3 am. Myself and my erstwhile date walked out shortly thereafter. It was still pretty crowded until 2:30 am.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1695232]I beg to differ, my friend.

RC doesn't really start hopping until midnight or even later. I'm not sure when it closes as I am usually gone with a hottie under my arm.

Maybe 2 AM?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oosik;1695244]Wow! Even the guy in the picture in the second picture looks impressed![/QUOTE]Haha. Yes my buddy Charlie. Weird thing to have hanging in your living room.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1695232]I beg to differ, my friend.

RC doesn't really start hopping until midnight or even later. I'm not sure when it closes as I am usually gone with a hottie under my arm.

Maybe 2 AM?[/QUOTE]You may be right. The latest I have left there is 1. 45 am when they were in the process of closing down. All the girls had left by then (the DJ, a female, was particularly hot, I could hardly scout for hookers that night just kept looking at the DJ). In any case, the original suggestion re early closing and girls moving to I-Bar stands.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1694336]No recent FRs to be found. Any members visited recently? I would like to explore on my next trip or should I avoid it.[/QUOTE]I have a more positive view than the other responders. After a couple of weeks visit I don't claim to be an expert but I have covered a lot of miles around the area. My feeling is that if you need a change from the "in your face" style of mainstream Pattaya but you don't want to cut yourself off from the bar+girl scene completely, the Darkside might fit the bill. One problem is the sheer number of bars operating in a maze of streets. Plan for a map, sat-nav and luck to find your way around if you venture far from Sukhumvit.

The majority of bars seem to be open bamboo frames with scooters outside and Premier League inside. Probably a pool table and a lot of tattoos, but not great girl destinations. There are bars, though with girls I would personally describe as attractive, with good attitude and barfine available. Some have ST rooms. Among these are Booze Lounge, Angels, Dukes Lounge, White Oyster Bar, Kik Bar. Probably many others I haven't found yet. They are a bit spread out, some are not too easy to find, but I'd say they're well worth a look if you have transport and a good sense of direction!

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1695087]Just for curiosity sake I'll ask you if you even bothered to read this forum before asking such a basic question.

SW4.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for your help SW4.

Yes I do read this forum pretty much daily for the past 3 months and notice there has not been any post for a long while regarding prices.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1694846]I think officially 12.30-1 am (starts to clear out by 12). [/QUOTE]In October, I usually entered Red Car about 23:00-24:00. And left 02:00 sometimes. Still girls coming in, having a look.

Later on, also "MIXX" is a possibility for freelancers.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1695344]
Yes I do read this forum pretty much daily for the past 3 months and notice there has not been any post for a long while regarding prices.[/QUOTE]Agree that you haven't read with much attention, because that is done by some posters only. They will go into great details over pretty much anything and happily skip that little piece of info. Normally done by overpayers.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1695230]You can't hesitate --that's for sure! Especially in high season when the ratio there is more punters than ladies.

I have had the same thing happen to me too many times. In December I missed out on a repeat with one of the hottest girls I'v ever laid because I was mulling over my options.

I made up for it the next time by doing a quick recon of the place and then pouncing in the hottest girl there (at least she was IMHO). Tall. Curvy, "blonde", with a beautiful face. (see pics) I damn near had to fight off the attention of other guys to get her. Guys are ruthless in high season and one parked himself right by me and my cutie and just hung out there until I gave him a nasty stare and he finally up and went.

Took her home for some good GFE. But did not repeat with her as I got involved with a real sweetheart I met on BR. LOL.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Uncle-V,

Where did you pick this gem from? I also picked up a stunner from BR during my last visit in spite of many members opinion that there are no good looking girls on BR.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1695065]It has been awhile since I have been in Pattaya. Just like to know the going rates for the girls, Bar Girls, GoGo girls, long time and short time? Also what are the cost of drinks and bar fines. I will be in Pattaya end of next week.

Many thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1695087]Just for curiosity sake I'll ask you if you even bothered to read this forum before asking such a basic question.

SW4.[/QUOTE]Out of the goodness of my heart and because I know how tough it can be sometimes to find the answer to a basic question. The information is often spread out over a lot of posts and pages. These are the going rates I found when I prepared for my holiday about 5 months ago:

Bar Girls: ST 1500 B, LT 2500 B. Bar fines vary from 300 to 700 B.

Agogo Girls: ST 2000 B or 2500 to 3000 B for a stunner. LT 4000 to 5000 B.
Bar fine depends on time, place and 'type' of girl. Coyotes are more expensive than 'normal' dancers. Bar fines for dancers vary from 600 to 800 B. The typical bar fine for a coyote is 1500 B before midnight and 1000 B after midnight.

[QUOTE=Ringer5;1695328]I have a more positive view than the other responders. After a couple of weeks visit I don't claim to be an expert but I have covered a lot of miles around the area. My feeling is that if you need a change from the "in your face" style of mainstream Pattaya but you don't want to cut yourself off from the bar+girl scene completely, the Darkside might fit the bill[/QUOTE]Thank you Ringer5; appreciate the information shared.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1695601]Out of the goodness of my heart and because I know how tough it can be sometimes to find the answer to a basic question. The information is often spread out over a lot of posts and pages. These are the going rates I found when I prepared for my holiday about 5 months ago:

Bar Girls: ST 1500 B, LT 2500 B. Bar fines vary from 300 to 700 B.

Agogo Girls: ST 2000 B or 2500 to 3000 B for a stunner. LT 4000 to 5000 B.[/QUOTE]Don't be afraid to negotiate. Last week I was on my way home when I stopped to talk to some chicks that sit outside at a bar that I always pass. After sitting on my bike talking to the girls for a minute I noticed a new bar had opened up next to it. The mamasan / owner and a girl were sitting outside at a table. I moved my bike up to talk to them. The girl said she was 22 years old. The mamasan said that she had only been there 3 days. I asked how much for her to come with me all night. The mamasan said 1500 baht. I told her that 1300 sounds much better. It was maybe midnight then. I told the mamasan that I had some things to do and would call her later if I decide to get the girl. She said that she would close at 2.

About 2:30 my other plans fell through so I decided to call the mamasan to see if the girl was still available. She said that she was and had been waiting on my call. So I drove back to the bar and forked over 1300 baht and took the girl home with me. I told the mamasan that I would be fucking her next for 1000 baht. I told her that I would bring the girl back in the morning. The mamasan gave the girl a key to get back into the bar (girl lives upstairs in the bar, mamasan lives in Jomtien) and off we went.

It was a great session. The girl had milky tits and all. She said I was her first customer and it showed (besides that, since I have gotten back from Malaysia a couple of days ago, I still have not seen 1 customer in the bar). As far as I can recall the only words she knew in English were ok and no. I woke the girl up at 8 to take her back to the bar and came home to wait for my taxi to the bus station. I was almost in Bangkok at 10:30 when the mamasan called me asking where the girl was. I told her that I had dropped her at the bar at 8. She said that she was not answering the phone. I said shit she is probably sleeping. She didn't even want to get out of the bed when I woke her up. She is now an official bar girl with bar girl hours.

By the way, that was my first bar fine ever in Thailand after living here 5 years and coming here since 2005. The only other barfine I have done was once in Angeles City last year.

Also, last night I was at a buddy's bar and one of the girls wanted me to take her out. I asked her how much and she said 500 for the bar and 2000 for her long time. I laughed. I told her I would never pay 2000. She said okay. You give me what you want. I told her that I didn't have power (a friend was here from Bangkok and I had just left her hotel) and I was planning to go out with my friends, so I would take her up on the offer later on in the week. She kept insisting that I take her last night for whatever I wanted to give her. I guess coming with me for whatever is better than sleeping upstairs in a bar for zero.

Anyone notice change in Page layout or is it just my laptop. The content of reports appears to be squashed into middle of Page anyone else notice any change?

Thanks

Quick question: is the Beach Road covered by market stalls at this time?

I'm planning to go this week (Mar 17 or 18), but would refrain if there's a market going, since it tends to kill the activities.

On the same note, how has the Beach Road quality / quantity been lately?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1695848]Quick question: is the Beach Road covered by market stalls at this time? I'm planning to go this week (Mar 17 or 18), but would refrain if there's a market going, since it tends to kill the activities. On the same note, how has the Beach Road quality / quantity been lately?[/QUOTE]There were some stall frames there at 7 pm. I do not know if they were going up or coming down though. Today was March 17, so I suspect if you would have made it today you would have known before you posted? Quality and quantity I would rather not speak of since I have never had a problem with either, although I know many here have complained. Late Sunday night about 2am there was a cop roundup though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1695870]There were some stall frames there at 7 pm. I do not know if they were going up or coming down though. [/QUOTE]Thank you, useful to know. Hope someone can chip in tomorrow to say whether it's up or down. Last time I went the damn market spoiled the trip.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1695601]Out of the goodness of my heart and because I know how tough it can be sometimes to find the answer to a basic question. The information is often spread out over a lot of posts and pages. These are the going rates I found when I prepared for my holiday about 5 months ago:

Bar Girls: ST 1500 B, LT 2500 B. Bar fines vary from 300 to 700 B.

Agogo Girls: ST 2000 B or 2500 to 3000 B for a stunner. LT 4000 to 5000 B.
Bar fine depends on time, place and 'type' of girl. Coyotes are more expensive than 'normal' dancers. Bar fines for dancers vary from 600 to 800 B. The typical bar fine for a coyote is 1500 B before midnight and 1000 B after midnight.[/QUOTE]Many thanks Mogwai.

Notice the price have gone up a little since I was last there.

I saw something recently? This weekend, there is some type of concert and the warning was all hell regarding traffic since they have dug up and closed off lanes on Sukhumvit / Pattaya Klang. The are asking people that come from outside to park at a dirt lot and take motorbike taxi inside to Beach Road?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1696079]I saw something recently? This weekend, there is some type of concert and the warning was all hell regarding traffic since they have dug up and closed off lanes on Sukhumvit / Pattaya Klang. The are asking people that come from outside to park at a dirt lot and take motorbike taxi inside to Beach Road?[/QUOTE]Thought I seen somewhere. This is the annual music festival being set up along beach road?

Pattaya newbie here. Had a quick questions. I know traffic is hell during Songkran. However, I arrive at 1 am at BKK Sunday the 19th and will be heading down to Pattaya using a car service. The 19th is the last day of Songkran in Pattaya so what can I expect for travel time if I am leaving BKK at 1 am?

[QUOTE=Broxy;1695793]Anyone notice change in Page layout or is it just my laptop. The content of reports appears to be squashed into middle of Page anyone else notice any change?

Thanks[/QUOTE]It's much narrower on both my PC and iPad. Seems to me that it happened before a few years ago. Could be a software bug.

[QUOTE=FLT09;1696103]Pattaya newbie here. Had a quick questions. I know traffic is hell during Songkran. However, I arrive at 1 am at BKK Sunday the 19th and will be heading down to Pattaya using a car service. The 19th is the last day of Songkran in Pattaya so what can I expect for travel time if I am leaving BKK at 1 am?[/QUOTE]I have never seen any trouble at that hour, unless there is an accident.

[QUOTE=FLT09;1696103]Pattaya newbie here. Had a quick questions. I know traffic is hell during Songkran. However, I arrive at 1 am at BKK Sunday the 19th and will be heading down to Pattaya using a car service. The 19th is the last day of Songkran in Pattaya so what can I expect for travel time if I am leaving BKK at 1 am?[/QUOTE]If you arrive on time, it will most likely be at least 2:00 AM by the time you deplane, clear immigration, change some currency, claim your luggage, clear customs and find your driver and walk to the parking garage. It'so only about 75 or 80 miles to Pattaya, and I can't imagine that it will take more than 1 1/2 hours at that time. I don't believe that Songkran will have any impact on the length of your ride.

Looking forward to reading your trip report.

Enjoy!

Flew on Asiana Airlines thru Incheon in Coach Class. Definitely recommended because of good meal service and open bar including Chivas Regal, a gin, a vodka, a cognac, and wine service even in coach class. At BKK Airport, I got a 7 day unlimited data sim card with 100 baht calling credit for only 299 baht. They installed the sim card and set it up in about 3 minutes. No papers to sign. 4 G service is good enough for a week. Mr. T taxi was waiting and I was at the Jasmine hotel in about 80 minutes for 1000 baht. I slept for some of the ride so it went fast. Standard rooms were being renovated so I got a free upgrade to Delux for the same 750 baht per night. [URL]http://www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com/[/URL].

Walked thru Ibar but it just wasn't the same without AMEXSPG so I hit beach road. Dozens of girls at 3 am. I was determined to find something good but ran into someone from the last trip that I didn't take. She told me 800 for 3 hole service. Started good with BBBJ & nice fake tits to play with then while I was in her ass she said she wanted 200 more because I was taking too long. I tried to finish fast but it wasn't going to happen so I quit early & just paid the 800. Do not take the girl in the red shorts in the picture. Phat ass but trouble.

I was back out on Beach Road and found Bee that I had repeated with several times on previous trips. She does anal and allows ATM CIM. We did two rounds, with long BBBJ & massage. I am overly generous with her because she is so good to me so I gave her 2000 for 2 rounds in about 3 hours. The sun was coming up so I got something to eat at Marine restaurant & went to sleep.

If you want to meet up, PM me thru ISG or text message me a 090-201-7927. I fly out Monday, March 23 so the phone number will be dead after that.

[QUOTE=David2;1696106]It's much narrower on both my PC and iPad. Seems to me that it happened before a few years ago. Could be a software bug.[/QUOTE]I also see the changes using both Chrome and IE on my desktop.

[QUOTE=FunlvGguy;1695561]Uncle-V,

Where did you pick this gem from? I also picked up a stunner from BR during my last visit in spite of many members opinion that there are no good looking girls on BR.[/QUOTE]No the girls in the pics is from I-bar.

But I do agree about BR. There are some cuties there. But it requires some leg work to find them.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1696122]I was at the Jasmine hotel in about 80 minutes for 1000 baht. I slept for some of the ride so it went fast. Standard rooms were being renovated so I got a free upgrade to Delux for the same 750 baht per night. [URL]http://www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com/[/URL].

[/QUOTE]How did you like Jasmine hotel? Seems like it could be loud and a little seedy. But the price an location are definitely right.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1696155]No the girls in the pics is from I-bar.

But I do agree about BR. There are some cuties there. But it requires some leg work to find them.[/QUOTE]I did notice some good lookers on beach road, a lot of it with prodding from Pipe, because I tend to walk fast without really observing.

I found, once you (I) approach a beach road girl, she doesn't smile (even a fake smile goes a long way), and it is ultimately very difficult for me to pick someone who doesn't smile thus giving signals of a possible poor session. Has anyone else noticed that these girls smile (or not) much less than the girls in the bars / clubs? May be it is a generalisation given that girls on beach road are usually much colder to people of my ethnicity!

I always hope to pick up at least one girl from BR, but in the last two trips, I have not done so because of the cold reception.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1696079]I saw something recently? This weekend, there is some type of concert and the warning was all hell regarding traffic since they have dug up and closed off lanes on Sukhumvit / Pattaya Klang. The are asking people that come from outside to park at a dirt lot and take motorbike taxi inside to Beach Road?[/QUOTE]Is the annual Pattaya Music Festival, 20-21-22 March [URL]http://pattayamusicfest.com/home/[/URL].

Beach Road will be closed to traffc, and will become a pedestrian area with stalls and stages for concerts. So the other main roads there will be a lot of traffic and queues.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1696179]I did notice some good lookers on beach road, a lot of it with prodding from Pipe, because I tend to walk fast without really observing.

I found, once you (I) approach a beach road girl, she doesn't smile (even a fake smile goes a long way), and it is ultimately very difficult for me to pick someone who doesn't smile thus giving signals of a possible poor session. Has anyone else noticed that these girls smile (or not) much less than the girls in the bars / clubs? May be it is a generalisation given that girls on beach road are usually much colder to people of my ethnicity!

I always hope to pick up at least one girl from BR, but in the last two trips, I have not done so because of the cold reception.[/QUOTE]That's a good question AO.

They don't seem to be as friendly initially as the girls in the clubs becasue I think they are keepoing an eye our for LE and other threats.

The girl I picked up was pretty firendly from the get go. But one of the other gems that I had a nice time with last trip was a little reluctant. So in the end YMMV.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Allover;1696143]I also see the changes using both Chrome and IE on my desktop.[/QUOTE]Anyone know how to return to original page layout?

I had dinner with a female friend at Fuji Restaurant at Central Festival. It a good chain Japanese restaurant and recommended. I walked along Beach Road and found the same girl that I enjoyed twice last year. She gave my friend a hard time but I had a good time so I tried her again. I gave her a good ass pounding while she kept saying "what the fuk?" it was pretty fun. Cost was 1 K baht. I would repeat.

Around 12 a friend messaged me to meet her at ibar. I dropped just over 2 k baht for Jack bottle service which includes 3 or 4 bottles of coke & a bucket of ice. I bought a second bottle of Sam Song for about 800 baht with cokes & bucket of ice. I also bought a few rounds of slushie shots which are only 30 baht so I was buying a half dozen at a time. I drank a little to fast and left early. Ibar will hold the unfinished bottle for you and give you a claim ticket to get it next time.

I found a 3 holer for st for 1 k. Good service but I was a little too drunk to enjoy some of it. I asked if she had any ass fucking friends and she said yes. I asked her to call her & she came right over. Great service so I tipped an extra 200 on top of the 1 k baht.

Definitely a fantastic evening but I spent about 7 k.

Woke up & had lunch with a friend's Nongsao (little sister really just young friend) at Hajime restaurant. She was very boring but better than eating alone, I guess. Then had to change money, also at Central Festival on the 4th floor there are a few banks so you can compare rates side by side easily. Then went to a massage shop & a couple bars on Soi 6 just for some water & check out the girls. I was feeling exhausted but same friend called me to meet her for drinks & hanging out. Met at an out of the way place on Soi Buakhau and had water & street food. I was exhausted from being out 7 hours now and headed back to my room for a rest.

I called the girl from last night at 930 and she came over at about 1030.3 hole BBBJ service 1 round was 1 k. An hour later after relaxing over drinks, I asked for a second round for 500. Sehe said 700 and I said ok. About an hour later the ibar girl was calling to meet.

Went to I bar & bought another bottle of Jack with 4 bottles of coke & a bucket of ice for 2070 baht. I was drinking my leftover Samgsong. Now I have 2 leftover bottles.

Damage for the day was 700 for lunch for 2, 140 for 2 waters on soi 6 with tip, 360 for dinner for two, 1700 for 2 sessions BBBJ & A service & about 2500 for booze, snacks, & tips at ibar but lots of booze leftover, I just have to buy the ice & mixers.

The Pattaya Music Festival starts tonight with the main stage next to the Hard Rock and second stage just outside Walking Street.

Text me if you want to meet tonight: 090-201-7927.

Just making an introduction gents. So hopefully I can tap into some great recommendations since its been like 5 years since my last visit. I see the prices have increased a bit but who cares it's still better then where I'm coming from.

Recently I took Mr. E's earlier recommendation on the Pattaya forum that AMA Fashion is the best tailor shop in Pattaya. The shop is located on Pattaya Central Rd. Just west of 2nd Rd on the south side of the street. I'm glad I did as they did a great job for me.

This was the first time in my life I had ever been fitted for custom tailored clothing. I needed a new suit, shirt and tie for a family wedding back in the states later this year. I selected a dark blue conservative business style single breasted and vent cut suit made out of 80% light weight wool and 20% cashmere; a light blue long sleeved shirt with white pinstripes, button down collar, cuffs, and a white tie with matching pocket handkerchief.

The fitting process was meticulous. After the 3rd fitting I decided that I wanted the lapels to be wider. This was no problem at all for them and my wish was their command. They made the suit to my exact specifications and it fits perfectly.

They also were kind enough to make me a new tie from scratch when I told them I wanted it to be wider. If I gain or lose weight between now and the time I need to wear the suit they will do the necessary alterations for free. In fact any time in the future I might want the suit altered for any reason it will be done at no charge.

When the suit was finished Chris the owner and his assistant brought it personally to my condo for the final fitting. They treat their customer's right. I was completely satisfied and decided to order 2 pairs of custom fitted linen slacks and a pair of designer style jeans. Everything looks great and fits perfectly. They aren't cheap like so many of the other fly by night tailor shops in the city but the prices are reasonable; you get what you pay for; and they're willing to go out of their way to make things right.

I'm happy to second Mr. E's opinion.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1695230]
Tall. Curvy, "blonde", with a beautiful face. (see pics) I damn near had to fight off the attention of other guys to get her.
[/QUOTE]Thats a very cute girl V. Well done buddy. How much was the damage?

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1696990]Recently I took Mr. E's earlier recommendation on the Pattaya forum that AMA Fashion is the best tailor shop in Pattaya. The shop is located on Pattaya Central Rd. Just west of 2nd Rd on the south side of the street. I'm glad I did as they did a great job for me.[/QUOTE]That was Uncle V's place I think. When I went, I met with the drunk assistant who was of no assistance. I will go try them again tomorrow on your recommendation.

Arrived in Pattaya yesterday. It took me 4 hours from my hotel in Bangkok to my hotel in Pattaya which is at least 90 minutes longer than usual. From Ekkamai to the Pattaya bus station took 2 hours and 40 minutes due to heavy traffic and road construction work. And then it took the baht bus 45 minutes to get me to my hotel. Crazy.
By the way: for some reason they have lowered the price for the bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya from 124 to 119 Baht. So that's good news for the cheap charlies among us.

I had a look at Beach Road around 7 PM and later on again at 10 PM. The stalls and the stages for the music festival are all set up on the road, where the traffic usually is, so this means the promenade is free for walking and..... WG's!
So that's the good news. The bad news is that the quantity and quality were both lower than usual.
Quite a lot of police around as well, but they didn't arrest any of the WG's. Not at the times I was there anyway.

So tired. Waking up after noon the last 2 days. But here goes.

Met Mr. E and a friend for lunch at Fuji at Central Plaza for medium grade Japanese food. Took Mr. E to TUK HAPPY MASSAGE which is my friend's shop just past Triangle Bar past LK Metro. New and very clean shop that had about 6 very early 20 something girls providing special service massage. Definitely worth checking out!

Took a nap in the afternoon then had a friend come over for a nice relaxed afternoon session. BBBJ & 3 hole service, no problem. Rested most of the early evening then finally got my ass out of bed to go see the Pattaya Music Festival. I checked out the second stage just outside Walking street which was not busy then another stage outside Royal Garden. Then took a baht bus to the main stage is close to Hard Rock & Soi 6. It was super crowded when I was there from 1130 pm to 1 am. Since Beach Road was closed to traffic, I had to walk over 1/2 hour to get back to Walking Street. Normally not bad but I was tired, really tired. A few dozen girls were around on Beach Road. I talked to a few and got a couple of phone numbers.

Met up with Mr. E and his friend at 230 am. They took me to 808 where they had 3 bottles of Chivas Regal for 3000 baht special every Friday. Great deal even though mixers are extra. Did several shots with many, many girls but finally went with Mr. E's recommendation. Very long session with a 69 that seemed to last 20+ minutes then straight to the A for about a half hour pounding. I kept asking her if she was ok and loved her response which was, "shut up and fuk my ass!" Great times! Unfortunately, I was too drunk to finish but it was definitely fun. 1 k st. I really needed to sleep. Took ibuprofen for really sore feet / legs / back. Yes, we finished all 3 bottles!!!

2 more nights to go.

I don't remember too much about last night after those 3 bottles. I was supposed to go with one chick. She gave me her phone. Horny guys kept hitting her up. One guy said he wanted to see her naked on the webcam because he was so horny and would give her $35/ month. I gave him my paypal and told him to send the money first. She told me to walk around the club one more time then we could leave. I went back over to hang with Sushi and my other wingman. When I went back to the chick there was a nother guy with her. I still have her damn Galaxy Note. But I already know the chick so I will just give it to her when I see her.

The next thing I remember is my other wingman asking me if I wanted to go to Flexx. I said hell yeah. The next thing I remember is walking down Walking Street with some chick and her saying she was from Phuket. Next thing I remember after that is waking up at home naked next to this chick with big ass titties. She left about an hour ago and I gave her 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1696990]Recently I took Mr. E's earlier recommendation on the Pattaya forum that AMA Fashion is the best tailor shop in Pattaya. The shop is located on Pattaya Central Rd. Just west of 2nd Rd on the south side of the street. I'm glad I did as they did a great job for me.

This was the first time in my life I had ever been fitted for custom tailored clothing. I needed a new suit, shirt and tie for a family wedding back in the states later this year. I selected a dark blue conservative business style single breasted and vent cut suit made out of 80% light weight wool and 20% cashmere; a light blue long sleeved shirt with white pinstripes, button down collar, cuffs, and a white tie with matching pocket handkerchief.

The fitting process was meticulous. After the 3rd fitting I decided that I wanted the lapels to be wider. This was no problem at all for them and my wish was their command. They made the suit to my exact specifications and it fits perfectly.

They also were kind enough to make me a new tie from scratch when I told them I wanted it to be wider. If I gain or lose weight between now and the time I need to wear the suit they will do the necessary alterations for free. In fact any time in the future I might want the suit altered for any reason it will be done at no charge.

When the suit was finished Chris the owner and his assistant brought it personally to my condo for the final fitting. They treat their customer's right. I was completely satisfied and decided to order 2 pairs of custom fitted linen slacks and a pair of designer style jeans. Everything looks great and fits perfectly. They aren't cheap like so many of the other fly by night tailor shops in the city but the prices are reasonable; you get what you pay for; and they're willing to go out of their way to make things right.

I'm happy to second Mr. E's opinion.[/QUOTE]Yup that was me. Uncle V not Mr E. Haha. But I guess its easy to get confused.

I go back and visit Chris to get some stuff done every time I am in Pattaya. Last time I had them do some alterations on 2 Burberry suits I have. Excellent job and now the fit is amazing. Raja, Chris' head tailor did a fantastic job and only charged me 2 K for coat and pants.

How much did Chris charge for the suit you had made? I may get one done there next time. I have gotten plenty of shirts and pants but no suit yet.

Last time I also had a Linen suit done at HiFi tailor, a place Mr E recommended. Ama did not have the color fabric I wanted. He did the suit and 2 linen shirts for 6 K. Best quality linen. Not the cheap stuff. And great workmanship! I have received many complements on the suit and shirts.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1697001]Thats a very cute girl V. Well done buddy. How much was the damage?[/QUOTE]I will get plenty of shit from the guys here buy I gave her 3 K for LT.

I tried to give her only 2 K but she started bitching and moaning so I caved and gave her 3. I thnk this is the going rate at I-bar these days.

To assuage the TL; DR critics here is a summary that will (a) get you past this drivel, and (b) not mention anything about glowing gerbils.

Lots of tourists.

Baccara: Eye candy only.

Heaven Above: Old white dudes.

Bliss: No oil.

Bliss: Maybe oil.

See you next post!

Okay, those uncultured bastards are gone, so here we go! After my less than stellar stay in Angeles and a less than perfect flight back I made it to the sanctuary of Pattaya. The real excitement on the first night was that my lost luggage showed up by courier. Obviously you won't want to hear about the lesser events.

The next day I started making up for the Angeles debacle. I took a moto taxi to Walking Street around bar opening time (20:00) and ran straight into organized gangs of hoodlums with leaders waving flags with patriotic fervor. Holy crap! There are even more tourists than last year! What is this about a bad high season?

Just once I want to see a barker / doorman seize one of those flags and go, waving wildly, into his bar, preferably Windmill, Sugar Baby, or another of those gynecology clinics. I'll wait outside for the shell-shocked survivors to stagger out and sell them hand sanitizer, or maybe hand sanitizer scented water, at a really ridiculous price. For a bit more I'll go in and look for their husbands. Additional charge for their pants.

I think a new level of dickishness (I declare that a word) was reached when some street performer must have drawn three groups at once. The circle was so big that it spanned the street and the sidewalks. It even pissed off one of the doormen who went down the sidewalk almost physically shoving people back into the street.

Glowing rat-things are still popular. I wonder if the gay area has glowing gerbils. So much for the term, "Where the light don't shine!

Quite a surprise was the kick-boxing place drawing a big crowd. Not that the crowd was a surprise: They are tourists. Kick-boxing is a must see. The surprise was that there was kick boxing. Has that been there all along about halfway down the street on the sea side? I really should look around more. My technique is to plan my next stop, stare straight ahead and plow on. Fewer hassles with coyotes, people with large signs about something or other, and glowing rats. It works, but it is a bit problematic when I overshoot and end up off my mental map of the target bar. I guess I always wondered why there were people gathered there. I just thought they were a**holes. Not that they necessarily aren't, anyway.

Like in BKK three weeks ago my first stop was Baccara, I think for subconsciously the same reason: See the eye candy and remember why I don't BF bar girls very often. Mission accomplished. Lots of enhanced hotties. I bought a LD for a non-enhanced #56 (she told me her name and it had vowel and consonant sounds in it), selected for a tight little body, a cute face, and apparently only one tattoo. Very friendly, much laughter, even at stuff that wasn't funny, then had to go dancing again. About three quarters of the way through she gets off the stage and goes over to an Asian gentleman's table for a drink. Her half full one at my table must have tasted bad or something. But maybe his did, too, for she was soon at another table with another drink. I should have been pissed but, as I said, mission accomplished. I already had had buyer's remorse almost as soon as she sat down. Problem solved.

Can those girls only afford the stocking-strap things for one leg? That is sad.

I left to find somewhere where more of my people were. By "my people" I mean western old fogies. I knew just the place: Heaven Above. It did not disappoint. I would say that 75% of the customers had either gray or no hair, or a combination thereof. There were three young farangs who looked as out of place as I had a Baccara. The dancer quality has gone down seriously in the last two years. No standouts, but one or two that would be doable if one wanted.

But it was time to get that which had eluded me in Angeles: Sex. Sex of some sort. Sex with another human this time. Hopefully a human female, because I didn't want my balls flapping against an Adam's apple. Yes, it was BJ Bar Time! To the moto-taxi!

We pause now for a digression on just what the deal is with the motos. I described this a few months ago here or maybe on the hotels thread, but I'll basically repeat it anyway: The TL; DR people have most likely already left. I tried the baht bus years ago and ended up as the last passenger and was dropped off at a statue depicting two very amorous cetaceans. The bus continued northbound to points unknown, probably the driver's house. I walked from the f*cking dolphins to Walking Street, in the process cutting from Second Road to Beach Road on a poorly chosen soi, the kind of soi where they might sell the glowing gerbils. I was very lucky not to emerge at least bi-curious, to say nothing of with a glowing anus.

We've probably had enough glowing gerbil discussions, haven't we?

At any rate, I arrived completely drenched for my first Walking Street visit since, well, since it was Walking Street (it had been years) and I spent, as a service to other mongers, the entire visit to Baccara on my feet so I didn't leave a soggy spot on the seat. Because who really wants to put his hand on a soggy spot on a seat in a strip club?

So, based on this really large sample group study, it was clear that baht buses were not for me. This is not unlike my last visit to AC: I asked a trike guy how much from Pony Tails to SM mall. 100 pesos. Ridiculous. But I don't haggle. I just walked and never tried a trike again. There was much sweating. A real demonstration of the two male brains. Baht bus, trike: No, I'll never try that again. Almost got ripped off by a probable tranny at Super Queen in Patpong: Was back the next night for a different selection. The Penis Brain is strong in this one.

So off we went to Bliss Lounge. Amazingly, he understood my instructions, which amounted to "Chalermphrakiat Soi Sip Hok". I later determined that that ridiculously long named street was also Third Road. Much easier. But that enlightenment was after a tragic mistake which we will come to.

I did my first in queue thing and got what was, as we ascended to the room, a progressively less attractive not so young lady. But she had decent technique, so I could lean back and imagine someone, anyone, else working on my lower brain. It almost worked. After a long time she switched to the manual transmission of energy. Eventually it was clear that if I was going to survive, I would have to help. I asked for oil. She stroked faster. Apparently what I thought the universal sign for "Oil my dick" was, a fist-squeezing motion above the private part, means, "Power, Scotty, we need power!" in Thai.

Just before we hit Warp 5 I managed to disengage the wiener drive. I took over. With my almost steaming manhood now safely protected by my hand, I repeated the Oil my Dick / Power, Scotty, we need power signal. There was much confusion. Eventually I think I established that the Bliss Lounge does not stock oil for emergency use. WTF? I found that a little amazing. So I heroically went to work using the rock-crushing grip I have somehow developed over the years, mostly when not in Thailand. Frankly, I did not come here to further thicken the calluses I've grown from home use, but after a few self-abusing (in this case a good term) minutes a happy conclusion spewed forth.

TL; DR See you next post.

Fast-forward to the next day. I went to the moto stand by the hotel and used the faithful, "Chalermphrakiat Soi Sip Hok. " Off we went. I stay at the Pattaya Bay Resort which no one has ever heard of and is not a resort and can no longer see Pattaya Bay. It is behind The Avenue shopping mall which is on Second Road sort of across from Soi 13. The normal route that I would have taken would have been eastbound, passing the LK Metro area then taking a diagonal soi to Chalermphrakiat. We headed northbound. Hey, these guys know all the shortcuts. But this was turning into a hell of a bizarre shortcut. We got onto Second Road and kept going north. I waited for quite some time: You don't want to interrupt an artist or a really, really ugly moto driver with three teeth. Finally when I'm pretty sure we were about to see those f*cking dolphins again, I tapped him on the back. We pulled over. There was much poor Thai and wild gesticulating. He says, "Ah, "Chalermphrakiat Soi Sip Hok!" But probably with a rising tone instead of a falling tone or something. My guess is that the pronunciation I used meant, "Take me to Bill, the baht bus driver's, house. ".

So we wound through a whole bunch of back streets and ended up on the proper road, even on the proper side! A real win since it takes me five minutes to cross that thing. I tipped him a bit since it was a joint mis-communication and I really should have mentioned something before we were at the Bangkok suburbs. But for a pittance I got a nice tour of Pattaya seeing sights that escape most tourists, things like minute scratches in the paint of very large buses. On each side of me. I've always wondered how you say in Thai, "Do you realize I'm wider than your handlebars?

I do feel so much better with the helmet. I know that when we crash into a bus at full speed the tiny helmet will be driven fully onto my head so I won't look like a total dork with a child's helmet perched atop his head when the pictures are taken. I think the moto stand at the hotel is screwing with me, each time giving me a smaller helmet. It is getting ridiculous.

Speaking of ridiculous, what are the odds that the same provider will be first in line twice in a row? Either she was or she assumed that I really wanted to wank in front of her again, because it was just like old times. Almost. Again a pleasurable, but not fully satisfying blow, then some more Scotty work. No, even my best mental fantasies, which you can believe we are NOT getting into here, didn't work. I somehow knew that Scotty didn't actually look much better than the real (sort of) Scotty, though she did have all the fingers on both hands, a plus in a hand job. Okay, that was pretty obscure, but someone will get it.

So I threw my hand in the breach. I again asked for oil, using the much feared gesture after protecting my parts. No, no oil. I pointed to my pants hanging on the wall. She brought them. I dug my hand into a pocket and brought it out brandishing that miracle of western culture that almost makes up for reality TV and Kim Kardashian: Astroglide!

I came prepared in case I did do a BF. I have my condoms and, since baby oil is not supposed to be good with latex (that sounds like a dining dilemma, but you know what I mean, I hope) brought the 'Glide.

She started gibbering about, "You no tell me!" So perhaps they do have oil, but I just didn't get the point across. I was going to show her the signal again to try to explain, but why imperil my genitals one more time? A far more pleasurable satisfactory conclusion was soon reached and I staggered out, dodged half the cars in Pattaya, and walked to Soi LK Metro to find that, as reported, it is closed in the day now. I made it to my hotel with three teaspoons of sweat left in my system.

TL; DR folks:

Devil's Den: Rain is an Amazon.

Second-hand spit on a dick must suck.

That's it.

The Devil's Den visit was delayed for a day due to technical difficulties with my digestive system. Not the squirts, but incomplete evacuation, and with the almost guaranteed application of tongues to my anus I felt I might wait until they wouldn't come away demanding a bigger tip. This happens to me every so often. I actually visited a doctor about it. I did not learn the cause, but it was educational nonetheless: I can now add to my life's lessons that if the nurse is holding a caulking gun when you come out of the dressing room, things are not going well.

So I stuck with known foods and sources for a day to minimize any outside influences and waited. My favorite Thai food doesn't seem to affect it and is relatively standardized in preparation, so I figured it was safe. My favorite Thai food is the Samurai Pork Burger at McDonald's. Before you scoff (probably too late now) think about this: The Samurai Pork Burger is available only in Thailand. There is a similar product in Japan but it is not named the Samurai Pork Burger because who the hell would associate "Samurai" with "Japan"? Now think of Pad Thai. You can get that on or at least near every continent (I had some on a ship off of Antarctica). It is a really promiscuous food. The Samurai Pork Burger has remained true to its roots. So which one is the real, authentic Thai food?

My sabbatical over, I chose Rain and her choice of a second lady. I believe it was Gik, but I didn't catch the name very well and a review of the pics proved ambiguous. I made the choice based on those photos, which set me up for a bit of a surprise when I showed up at the Den. Rain is perhaps the largest person I have been intimate with other than someone in Kentucky during my quest to have sex in all fifty US states. Compromises to my standards had to be made to attain that goal, especially after I rashly limited it to live humans. Miss Kentucky was one such compromise, or maybe one and a half or two if one is basing the tabulation on tonnage. But Rain carries it well. No, she's not skinny, but she doesn't really have a gut or a disproportionate butt. I'll use the term Amazonian, but that somehow implies to me more of a ripped body or a policy of free delivery for orders over $35. She is tall, outright towering in her heels. This might, especially in Thailand, beg a question, but I ultimately examined everything VERY closely and I'm certain she is a she and always has been.

With all that said she still looks pretty much as good as any of the DD women, admittedly not the highest of standards. I think that if you're into receiving domination she would be a brilliant choice. Just be damned clear about the safe word. Her English, "Advanced" on her profile, is passable, not fluent, but way better than anything you would really need given the context of the visit, easily mastering the complexities of requesting penile penetration of various orifices in the Talk Dirty phase of the activities.

The other girl was a wonderful opposite: Small, brown hair instead of black, and the cutest little tan nipples that I made sure were not lonely during my visit.

In the preliminary washing I learned that tortu. Uh, enhanced interrogation techniques waste a LOT of water with the waterboarding business. Just use capfuls of Listerine. Due to a slight timing mis-coordination I ended up inhaling one. A couple capfuls of that and I'd be confessing to 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, and torpedoing the Lusitania. It's kind of like stuffing a wire brush down your windpipe but not half as much fun.

But then things got worse: As usual, I was dried and sent to bed while they cleaned up, but the lights were up a little more than usual so much more detail could be discerned in the pink, shapeless blob staring down on me from the ceiling. The mirror at Som's in BKK was nothing compared to this. I ended up lying with a towel over my eyes. In later activities I found another plus in Rain's size: She covered a lot more of me than an average TG, though she also blotted out a lot more of the porn on the TV, but that stuff was pretty tame, anyway. It was soapy massage parlor grade: Hotter chicks, far less creative uses of bodily orifices and fluids. Deprived, during their prolonged bathing, of my sight, my other senses tried to fill in. I noted at least three, maybe four flushes. Presumably I would not be getting that yellow tinted shower I didn't want.

The remainder of the ninety minutes was a blur of tongues, tits, and twats. Predictably, I was unable to take advantage of some of the work that the DD is best known for because of the condom hatred issue, but that was like taking just one item from the playground, though it was a really good item, not those useless horses mounted on automotive coil springs. My privates got very familiar with two mouths and six hands, though two of the latter were old friends. Not as much rimming as I had anticipated, but my standards in that were elevated by my visit to Bell at Cherry. And there was that fairly standard business about a complete wipe-down when changing the BJ duty. They'll lick buttholes, they'll do full-on lesbian shows, but second hand spit from the dick is just too gross, I guess. And I'm going to keep guessing. I'm all for scientific research, but I have a lot to get through before I start sampling second hand spit from dicks. Maybe a good prison project, should that opportunity arise.

One rather weird effect was when the positions allowed symmetric groping, e. G. , I could grab both butts at once. Wow! What a contrast! A large, Amazon butt and two small soft globes with a smooth cleft between them just made for exploring.

Eventually, just before the knock at the door, a happy conclusion was reached. Through a quirk in geometry and ballistics we all had collateral damage from it. There was a lot of washing to do and not a lot of time to do it.

Sadly that was my only DD visit. Damn my digestive system! I should go to a doctor. I'm working on my house and maybe I could keep the caulking gun.

So there were more BJ visits, none with the extra sightseeing now that I knew the Sai Sahm thing. I visited the strip clubs nightly, mostly in Soi LK Metro after the initial couple of forays to Walking Street got me really fed up with the mass of (vaguely) humanity. So here are some brief notes on them.

Sugar Baby and Windmill: I may as well address them as one as they are almost indistinguishable from each other. The Devil's Dens of the clubs. In their defense I will say that I never saw a domesticated animal on stage, though in some cases it might be hard to determine. The tell is that most animals have just an identification tattoo, if that, not several square feet of them. So score one for them over a club I went to in the States that did feature a domesticated animal. Full disclosure: It was my dog. He knew the dancer. I had to get him off of there fast because (a) the management didn't seem happy, and (b) he could easily have gotten hooked on the money he had a couple dollars stuffed in his collar.

They had the showers running, at least one lesbian show in addition apiece, and of course ample opportunities for close up inspections. They should have stirrups. That position has got to get tiring. One girl sat with legs up and spread for about a song and a half as an Asian guy fulfilled his gynecologist fantasy. If his fingers didn't still smell of fish from lunch, they certainly did after that. In both cases the lesbian shows were really, really realistic. They had expressions just like the "O" faces of girls I screw. That look they have when they aren't texting friends or asking me if I'm in or done. The funniest ones were a pair at the Windmill: They were sitting facing each other, one's legs lying across the other's, the position you would be in if you sat up while the girl was riding cowgirl, except not nearly as intimate: Their privates were at least a foot apart. There was little or no movement of anything but their mouths. They were having a long, casual conversation about whatever, and my money is on that it wasn't about sex. Okay, this was little different from the other acts I saw, except in one funny aspect: Early on the waitress had sat someone at the prime spot: The Asian gynecologist seat at the end of the stage, maybe a foot and a half behind the one girl's behind. Butt. I mean but, that was all he saw: A relatively flat, shapeless ass squished down on the stage so he couldn't even see the goodies. For the entire set. Lame.

Peppermint. Very average dancers. Really not much else to say. Sucks when I can't embellish!

Moving to LK Metro, Crystal: Generally average or above girls, one with the cutest butt dimples. There was a guy with a dancer a few feet to my left. They spent all her non-stage time enmeshed in a writhing ball, with various appendages poking out at all points of the compass. It was more passionate snuggling than sex, but somehow I felt I should be wearing a condom. When she was on stage he would madly puff cigarettes to make up for lost time. Inspired, I asked the waitress to fetch me a cute young lady who had just gotten off stage, but she couldn't find her. This happened earlier in Angeles. How scary am I?

Lady Love: The winner of the Tats And Silicone per dancer competition for this trip. Also won the award for the Longest and Thickest Nipples on a Dancer. Those things looked like my little fingers. I found myself staring, trying to determine if they were just nips or if she had some appurtenances on them. I think they were all her. You'd really need eye protection if you BF'ed her to a cool hotel room unless you wanted that rakish eye patch look.

Amethyst: Pretty impressive lineup of dancers. Only one or two who were not at least pleasant to look at. Several above average sized pairs of tits, either original equipment or damned good replacements: Nice jiggle action. They have the fireman's poles entry to the stage like Angelwitch, but this has a darker side: They look like they have a rudimentary second floor that could be used for seating, and that enables the tossing of bills and balls, and that produces those outright painful screams, as I mentioned (okay, make that "rambled on about at great length") in my Angeles write-up. And they really don't need that, anyway: A couple of times apparently spontaneous screaming broke out. No reason to aggravate the situation.

Showgirls: It seemed the most crowded of the LK Metro clubs I visited that night, but I couldn't fathom why: Average, at best, dancers. Maybe they just have a crappy seating arrangement. Note to Management: The '70's called they want their disco balls back. Holy crap! A couple looked like Pluto got glammed up and hung from the ceiling. Huge! Probably meant for two or three floor discos.

Queen: Utterly average dancers, a main stage, a naked girl on a side stage, and the puzzle stage: A carpeted stage in the corner that seemed populated only by girls in coyote outfits who just lay there lounging around. I couldn't tell if it was a break area or an active stage.

Kaos: A smaller bar with quite attractive dancers. A strange experience. I may have arrived a few minutes before opening time, but the door was open, so in I went. No one was on stage, but they happily sold me a Coke. To avoid the awkwardness of sitting there staring at the walls I randomly chose a nearby dancer for a LD. We chatted for a while but then she sort of ignored me and stared past my shoulder. Rude. I looked back. The mamasan was doing the evening briefing. It went on for a while. One thing was the rotation. They have five small one or maybe two person stages. The girls move from one to the next between songs. What could be simpler? It turned out that they didn't really do the simplest version. There were some weird quirks like the final stage was not an end one but one in the middle.

After a long, increasingly emotional ending to the talk, right about the time I expected the woman to bellow, "This is Sparta!" they broke into applause and I got the attention of my LD back. Okay, maybe not Sparta. Probably more like a 6 AM experience I had in Wal-Mart. I walked by a meeting at the entrance to the store as I headed for the electronics area. One guy was spewing some sales numbers. A few minutes later the eerie silence of the early morning was shattered by, "W!" WTF? Then came, "A!. L!. M!. A!. Are!. T! WAL-MART! WAL-MART! WAL-MART!" followed by wild cheering. I couldn't tell if the clerk left to man the department was sad that he wasn't invited or just really, really embarrassed.

Then it was stage time. The entire complement mounted. There was at least one tiny stage with four girls perched precariously on it. The vague swaying that passes as dancing at most Thai clubs would look almost frenetic in comparison to the show. No one seemed to dare move for fear of falling. Then it turned out this was roll call. The mamasan walked along counting heads and making notes, then released the masses, leaving a girl per stage. I've seen that somewhere before, but I can't place where.

Some of the entertainment was watching the girls in those huge shoes making the step from one stage to the next. I wonder how many get carted off by the end of the night. Scarier for me were the baskets of balls. With the tiny stages those things, and the pursuing dancers, are going to go everywhere.

But overall a good experience, sadly to be followed by.

The Office: Ugly girls. The blessing was that the place was a little bigger but did not cram an extra row of seating so the seats were farther away from the stage, sparing one some of the horror. Almost immediately I got approached by two dancers who were sub-par even for that establishment. I took a few gulps of my water, stuck a bill in the check-bin and fled.

I love Pattaya. I still give BKK the edge because of the variety of non-bar services available, but for a few days it is great. I'll likely include it in all future trips. But it was time to leave for my airport hotel, a quick side-trip back into BKK proper, and, sadly, home. But that is a much better story than this rather dry review, and I'll get it posted in the BKK thread as soon as this goes.

Worn out & ready to go home.

Slept till past noon & lounged in the hotel till after sunset then went out to see the Pattaya Music Festival. I walked the mile from Walking Street to Soi 6 to check out all the music, vendors and girls on the road. The main stage was even more busy than last night but lots of fun. On the way back, I walked thru Soi 6 but it seemed quieter than usual. Stopped at AMEXSPG's hangout, Toilet Bar, for a water & few minutes rest. AMEX's girl was dancing there. I was getting messages to meet friends at ibar so I headed out.

Almost back to Walking Street, I found this 3 hole provider for 1 k ST on Beach Road. Wanted LT but she was tired. Great service so I tipped a couple hundred for CIM. A couple K for drinks & partying with the girls at ibar & I was done. Home for the night.

Last night tonight. Meetup anyone? Call or text me. Texting is better as sometimes I don't hear the phone. 090-201-7927.

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....She is tall, outright towering in her heels. This might, especially in Thailand, beg a question, but I ultimately examined everything VERY closely and I'm certain she is a she and always has been...

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I had Rain sometimes 2-3 Years ago before she went to Qatar. I f... cked her many times. And her Service is really nice GFE plus A+ and everything nice I come 3 times in 90 Min.

- but I'm still not 100% sure if she always was a lady?? - If you have money and start early (12-14 years) they can make Ladies that are nearly impossible to find out, if they made Hormone therapy and operation. Of Course before she wrote on her Profile that she played Volley Ball. And there are also Girls in Europe with big feet and little bit man looking face. - but in Pattaya I'm very careful! - if you have fun and the pussy feels like a pussy. What's the problem?.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1697616]- if you have fun and the pussy feels like a pussy. What's the problem?.[/QUOTE]I agree! Ignorance can be bliss!

[QUOTE=Oosik;1697627]I agree! Ignorance can be bliss![/QUOTE]Great report as always, my friend. The mishaps with the dolphins ah me in stitches! Hilarious. Thanks for the chuckles.

And the info on the bars is very useful. I hope your intel is still relevant by the time I am back in August.