Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2774509]I arrived in Sao Paulo yesterday and visited Enjoy Spa ....[/QUOTE]You should try all clinicas around the area. They are owned by the same owner and some girls work between them. The owner pull the reviews from GPG so you no longer see them. They were once moved to another forum but last time I looked, that forum was down.

I usually don't tip. If you read reviews, they never mention tipping either. I have never seen locals tip when I went to local restaurants. Their setup is also not helpful for tipping. I tip occasionally when I feel the girl goes extra mile like going over time. Most expensive restaurants will have tip included in the bill. I had udon for lunch today. I think second item is tip. 10% service charge is also common.

Since it will be your first time going to Scandallo, I suggest you go before 7 PM and the extrada is 300 all consumable. Find a seat in the restaurant and have dinner there. You probably will see the girls line up on the bar counter to get your attention. Some girls may approach you and you will be in driver seat when you chat with the girl. You can kill 1 hour or more there if you eat slowly lol. I will order coffee or just move to the cafe to have some desert. Then wait for the club and outdoor area to open and the girls to arrive, then followed by live music later. Look at it this way, 300 is not much for a dinner in Sao Paulo in a nice place. If you enjoy food, there are many excellent food choices.

Hi, hope everyone had a good Christmas.

Its 41 days until my first trip to Sao Paulo and can't wait. I've booked an apartment next to the MASP but I can't check in until 3 pm but unfortunately my plane is supposed to land in Sao Paulo at 6 am from the UK.

I've emailed the apartment to see if I can pay extra to check in early but someone else is staying there the night before so I can't. I don't want to be walking around Sao Paulo with my money, passport etc so not sure what to do in the meantime, anyone got any ideas.

I've thought about either hanging around the airport, getting food and trying to find somewhere to sleep or booking a room or sleep capsule inside or near the airport for a few hours.

What would you lot suggest?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2774601]I understand it's not an easy job having to spread your legs for dudes that you may not feel any attraction towards for R100-150 an hour so I have to take this experience with a grain of salt. It's still early during my trip to Brazil, but so far I'm not impressed.[/QUOTE]As it's your first Brazil experience, you are not going to get everything right. Mistakes will happen but what's important is that you will get to learn from them. A couple of suggestions on how to navigate the SP clinicas:

1) Some of the girls only work part-time and only work a couple days out of the week. So it's important to have the clinicas add your WhatsApp number so you can receive their daily girl status.

2) The most well reviewed and popular girl (s) in the clinicas are naturally going to be the busiest. One way to work around that is to message or call the clinica and book an appointment ahead of time.

3) Always take the managers / receptionists suggestions with a grain of salt. They are working for the clinicas and not you. And I wouldn't bother with asking them for recommendations as most of them don't have a clue about the girls service quality. Always go by the TDs on GP Guia.

4) You can ask the receptionist to send the girl out and have a quick one on one talk with them. Ask them directly about specific services that you are looking for: Voce the beija de língua sem frescura? (Do you DFK without frills?) Voce faz oral sem camisinha? (Do you do BBBJ) Voce deixa ser chupada? (Do you allow DATY) Voce faz beijo grego? (Do you do rimming) Voce faz anal? (Do you do anal).

5) Last but not least, go to Clinica Brooklin and ask for Amanda. She used to work at Clinica Prime under the name Jaqueline. I sessioned with her twice back then and she is absolutely fantastic. She loves DFK and is super passionate and affectionate. She offers BBBJ, DATY and will allow you to fuck her in any position for as long as you like. You can check out her TDs and they are all positives.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2774683]Hi, hope everyone had a good Christmas.

Its 41 days until my first trip to Sao Paulo and can't wait. I've booked an apartment next to the MASP but I can't check in until 3 pm but unfortunately my plane is supposed to land in Sao Paulo at 6 am from the UK.

I've emailed the apartment to see if I can pay extra to check in early but someone else is staying there the night before so I can't. I don't want to be walking around Sao Paulo with my money, passport etc so not sure what to do in the meantime, anyone got any ideas.

I've thought about either hanging around the airport, getting food and trying to find somewhere to sleep or booking a room or sleep capsule inside or near the airport for a few hours.

What would you lot suggest?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Did you ask the host if you can drop off your luggage early before check-in? That may offer you some flexibility.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2774609] (1) You should try all clinicas around the area. (2) I usually don't tip. (3) Since it will be your first time going to Scandallo, I suggest you go before 7 PM and the extrada is 300 all consumable. [/QUOTE]I agree with #1. Clinicas are a wonderful SP afternoon venue and place to meet fun girls and fool around. The clinicas provide the best bang for your buck opportunities in Sao Paulo. So, definitely try a few Moema clinicas in the afternoon.

I also agree with #2. Brazil is not a tipping culture unlike say Thailand. Brazilian girls do not expect a tip, so my advice is don't rock the boat. Do not tip the girls.

But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, remarkable display of quality girls of all shapes and sizes that hang out there. But things do not really get going until 10 pm and the place is very quiet before 7 pm with only a fraction of the girls that show up later. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar will be roped off and closed until around 9 pm. Sure some afternoon Scandallo girls are very nice, but for the most part these afternoon Scandallo girls are not much different in quality than the better looking clinica girls you can have at a fraction of the cost in the afternoon in Moema. So, you will not have the true Scandallo experience if you go before 7 pm and you will be left wondering what all the talk and high praise is about. Therefore, I strongly recommend a 1st time punter to wait until 9 pm or 10 pm and then check out the numero uno bordello / nightclub in all of South America. You won't be sorry. In addition, not all Scandallo nights are equal. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights are the hottest, best nights to be there.

P.S. In the same vein, I highly recommend 11:30 pm as the absolute earliest to show up at Casarao. This amazing boate, which kind of acts as the counter opposite of high class Scandallo, opens at 10 pm, but the place does not get rocking until 11:30 pm at the earliest with after midnight being an even better time to go and not miss the experience of its wall-to-wall SP girls.

I am assuming you don't know these.

[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2774601]... Amanda has the best reviews on gpguia and as luck would have it, she was not available when I got to the Spa. ....[/QUOTE]You can schedule her by WhatsApp. I think they are pretty good at scheduling.

[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2774601]... but did share my experience with the receptionist who only charged me R200. ....[/QUOTE]You can ask for it next time, my guess is that price will stick. If you want to make sure you get the discount, post the same review you wrote here on GPG using Portuguese and show it the the receptionist to get the forista discount. Last time I went, the forista discount was 170

The answer for the GPG registration question is [b]avion[/b] when I registered.

I see the reviews of some other clinicas that were removed are back on GPG

[QUOTE=Nounce;2774609]You should try all clinicas around the area. They are owned by the same owner and some girls work between them. The owner pull the reviews from GPG so you no longer see them. They were once moved to another forum but last time I looked, that forum was down.

I usually don't tip. If you read reviews, they never mention tipping either. I have never seen locals tip when I went to local restaurants. Their setup is also not helpful for tipping. I tip occasionally when I feel the girl goes extra mile like going over time. Most expensive restaurants will have tip included in the bill. I had udon for lunch today. I think second item is tip. 10% service charge is also common.

Since it will be your first time going to Scandallo, I suggest you go before 7 PM and the extrada is 300 all consumable. Find a seat in the restaurant and have dinner there. You probably will see the girls line up on the bar counter to get your attention. Some girls may approach you and you will be in driver seat when you chat with the girl. You can kill 1 hour or more there if you eat slowly lol. I will order coffee or just move to the cafe to have some desert. Then wait for the club and outdoor area to open and the girls to arrive, then followed by live music later. Look at it this way, 300 is not much for a dinner in Sao Paulo in a nice place. If you enjoy food, there are many excellent food choices.[/QUOTE]Quick question on all consumable? Is this include your drinks as well or just food and non-alcoholic beverages?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2774727]Did you ask the host if you can drop off your luggage early before check-in? That may offer you some flexibility.[/QUOTE]That's a good idea, thanks. I'll message them and see.

The first time I came to Sao Paulo I had some time between flights. A friend had me meet him at Tangara and they stored my luggage for the few hours I was there. Apparantly they will do that if you ask.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2774753]That's a good idea, thanks. I'll message them and see.[/QUOTE]

I love being in Sao Paulo. It is the only place I have been where my body runs out of capability before I run out of money. I met with a girlfriend I have known for 4 years when I arrived yesterday. We had lunch and a wonderful love making sesssion. Today a different girl friend I have known for almost the same time was supposed to come to me but put it off til late tonight. Sooooo what to do, go to Tangara for old times sake. Susan was there and it was great to get to see her again. Hmmmm can I do it? Well, only way to know is try. So she suggests two girls, I pick one and wow did I pick correctly. Now the second girlfriend is on her way over and wants to party. Grin, I will report how the body performs.

Firstly, many thanks to Nounce, Axel Heyst, DreamCarnarvon, The Critic et al. I really appreciate the solid advice on how to go about things in Brazil and the different points of view from these fine gentlemen.

Brooklin Massagem: I went here this afternoon and four girls were presented, one ruiva, two brunettes and a black girl. The redhead was sexy and I was tempted but I ended up choosing the brunette named Duda as I recalled reading good reviews of her. 24 years old, very cute face with a plump body but I dug her. She happened to speak pretty decent English for a Brazilian clinica girl so that made the session a little more interesting. She gave an awesome BBBJ where I asked her to slow down and she engaged in some stellar BLS and literally made gentle love to my cock. Put the rubber on and we went at it in ppmm (papa mama which is Brazilian for missionary LOL) where I enjoyed looking at her pretty face and kissing her before I shot my load after 15 minutes. We had an engaging conversation until the buzzer rang and all in all an hour of my life that was well spent.

Scandallo: I plan on visiting tomorrow and will go with Axel's advice and pay the are $500 and try to experience the place at its peak after 10 PM, rather than getting in before 7 PM to save are $200. Don't want to be tired of the place before it really starts kickin, though judging from all the posts that would be unlikely. Even if I don't pull I hope to get some contacts for the slow days around New years for outcalls to my hotel.

Casarao: I'll definitely be visiting this club, given the high praise from Bearsi and other members as well as the cost effectiveness.

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am stayng with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.

[QUOTE=Georgest;2774741]Quick question on all consumable? Is this include your drinks as well or just food and non-alcoholic beverages?[/QUOTE]Includes, Alcoholic and non-Alcoholic and Food.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2774728]I agree with #1. Clinicas are a wonderful SP afternoon venue and place to meet fun girls and fool around. The clinicas provide the best bang for your buck opportunities in Sao Paulo. So, definitely try a few Moema clinicas in the afternoon.

I also agree with #2. Brazil is not a tipping culture unlike say Thailand. Brazilian girls do not expect a tip, so my advice is don't rock the boat. Do not tip the girls.

But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, remarkable display of quality girls of all shapes and sizes that hang out there. But things do not really get going until 10 pm and the place is very quiet before 7 pm with only a fraction of the girls that show up later. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar will be roped off and closed until around 9 pm. Sure some afternoon Scandallo girls are very nice, but for the most part these afternoon Scandallo girls are not much different in quality than the better looking clinica girls you can have at a fraction of the cost in the afternoon in Moema. So, you will not have the true Scandallo experience if you go before 7 pm and you will be left wondering what all the talk and high praise is about. Therefore, I strongly recommend a 1st time punter to wait until 9 pm or 10 pm and then check out the numero uno bordello / nightclub in all of South America. You won't be sorry. In addition, not all Scandallo nights are equal. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights are the hottest, best nights to be there.

P.S. In the same vein, I highly recommend 11:30 pm as the absolute earliest to show up at Casarao. This amazing boate, which kind of acts as the counter opposite of high class Scandallo, opens at 10 pm, but the place does not get rocking until 11:30 pm at the earliest with after midnight being an even better time to go and not miss the experience of its wall-to-wall SP girls.[/QUOTE]Got to agree with Axel on this. Scandallo is not Scandallo until late night. 10 would be the bare minimum earliest I would go. It will get busier at 11 and 12 and beyond. It will be rocking till the wee hours. But I'the say shoot more for like 10 or 11. Even later is fine.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2774448]Sports cars are not very common in Sao Paulo and definitely not the Bomboa girls have them. Looks more like a Jeepy.[/QUOTE]Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774903]Got to agree with Axel on this. Scandallo is not Scandallo until late night. 10 would be the bare minimum earliest I would go. It will get busier at 11 and 12 and beyond. It will be rocking till the wee hours. But I'd say shoot more for like 10 or 11. Even later is fine.[/QUOTE]If you want to have dinner and have a relaxed look around (advisable for a newbie), and maybe even score a quality fuck with a hottie before things are at full blast, arrive between 7 and 8 pm. Walk around and have a look and explore to get familiar with the layout and where things are. Eat dinner. Might even strike up a new friendship with a garota who you wouldn't mind dining with. Then later head up to the room and dine between her thighs! I've started off many a great night at Scandallo this way. Get in a decent meal and a quality fuck early before prime time has even started! Then settle in and have a drink. And then maybe another. Scoping and on high alert for that next hot piece of ass. And if you're at Scandallo then you're bound to find her! Now if you don't want dinner then OK show up later. But I would still say be there before 10, like maybe between 8 and 9, to have a shot at bedding a super hottie who just might be milling around then before another monger can pull and mount her in the room. I have met (and fucked) some super hot Brazilian girls that I met at Scandallo almost as soon as I arrived between 7 and 8. And if not, then I have dinner and get on that ass later on in the night. But I've had solid luck scoring early when it's still fresh LOL! This is just me and how I like to do. Get some early. Then get some more late. Works for me!

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip.

Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo.

I went during the end of my stay in Sao Paulo which is unfortunate but after the first visit I went every night.

ENTRANCE FEE is 50 brl or 100 brl if you come after a certain time I think, my memory fails me sometimes. Regardless it's pretty cheap. They give you a card like scadallo to pay for your drinks.

TIME: the place opens at 10 pm but girls don't start pouring in til 11:30 and the place is pretty packed at 12:30 so best bet is to come at midnight.

I made the mistake of coming in at 10:30 pm. I went with a buddy who had been there before during his last trip and he didn't like it but it was open so we decided to check it out. They have completely renovated the space since he last came because he was impressed. Apparently it was a cheap local scene where guys would wear basketball shorts and tank tops and so attracted the sub par talent. New management completely changed that and made the place more upscaled without charging more. When we arrived there was only 10 girls. I asked one of the girls if more girls would come and she said they start coming in after 11 pm. Luckily we stayed to see and she was right. I saw a cute Ruiva walk past and so I chatted her up. She just came out from scandallo and told me that scandallo girls come here after their shift if they didn't land anyone or need some more cash as the entrance to come in is free before midnight for girls and 50 brl after which still isn't bad. So you can definitely see some solid 7's and 8's.

BAR: drinks here are pretty normal rate for boates. I didn't get too many girls ask me for drinks and the one's who did just got some coconut water or a redbull. I heard from others some girls will try to get you to buy them drinks so they can get a cut. I believe it so watch out. If you really want a drink tho you really need to make an effort because the bartenders would take forever to take my order every single time. I would just get a coke so nothing too fancy. Really annoying.

THE SPACE: There is two floors here. The first floor has a main dance space with a bar near the end, a dance pole on the side, little bar tables and a long wall to wall bar cushion couch thingy on the opposite side. There's a top floor where I guess you can pay VIP to get drinks and get a private lap dance but I never saw anyone go up there. The second floor has booths, another bar and a smoking area patio. Theres a bathroom up and down stairs. It's pretty spacious but once it's packed it's kind of hard to move around.

Wednesday-Friday they have girls doing some strip shows on the pole on the first floor.

THE GIRLS: You can find a good mix of everything here which is why I like it! Tall, short, black, pale, long hair, short hair, 20's-40's, pros and non pros, etc. The typical price for a girl for 30 mins is 300 brl and 1 hour is 400 brl. Usually depends on the girl of course. You can easily take a girl out and I believe it was like 50 brl to take them out which is great. This is where I met Brenda who will make an appearance in my Rio Report. I went with petite blonde, a mature MILF, a international chef and brenda who looks like ariel winters from the TV show modern family minus the huge rack. The first two I did 30 mins for 300 brl in the rooms next door. Great sessions! The chef girl I took back to my place and she did it for 800 brl but I asked her to stay for 4 hours (it was around 1 am when we left) so I could get 3 nuts in. She agreed. We went to my place in brooklin novo and we had a great time chatting and getting to know each other. She would massage my back after each break. It was a long day that day for me so after my first nut I was pretty drained. The only bad thing was that she did everything covered but the great thing is that she was a woman of her word and she told me that should not leave my place until she made me cum 3 times. You have to love Brazil. She was like 4'10 and really fit with abs so she was a great fuck. We ended up fucking til 8 am so we called some food on rappi and I sent her off at 9 am. One of my best session even though it was covered. She let me know about that before we left the club but I had a good feeling about her.

Brenda I got her number and you can read my time with her in my long SP report.

What's important is to go and talk to the girl your interested in right away because this place is full of girls but also guys. Its a good value so lots of guys here are not pussy footing around and will not hesitate to pull the trigger unlike scandallo. My buddy saw a girl he liked and he turned around and she was leaving with another guy. He waited around and as soon as she popped back in he went up to her and took her to the rooms. When he came back with the girl back to the club another guy immediately chatted her up and took her. It's really fast paced here. I also saw some girls I wanted to hit up but as soon as they went downstairs they disappeared or went with another guy. So if you snooze you lose. It's such good value it really doesn't hurt to just chat her up and at least get numbers.

THE ROOMS: The fee for the room I believe was like 100 brl or so for 1 hour and less for 30 mins. It's best to bring cash here to pay the girls and your room. You can use card but they charge an extra 10% the rooms are pretty nice. Good shower and the bed is like a queen size. There is a mirror on the ceiling so a big plus for me if you know me at all. The room is also the other reason this place is great! It's next door so when you pick your girl you have to leave the club and go next door.

I give this place a 9/10.

Its clean, cheap and a good variety of girls with decent pricing!

You can see a virtual tour of the place on their website.

[URL]https://casaraoaugusta.com.br/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2774943]Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip. Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo.
I went during the end of my stay in Sao Paulo which is unfortunate but after the first visit I went every night.[/QUOTE]Excellent and accurate reporting for Casarao. Newbies, the only way to get better knowledge is to go yourself.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2774728]...But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, ....[/QUOTE]If there is one recommendation, I would say go early in the trip, instead of later.

Given the context, I was providing information for alternative, sort of nudging him to go ahead, and it is not about the best time to go. I am no longer certain about the best nights based on my personal experience. I think Thursday is reliable, but other nights I am not so sure. The best night I have been to is Wednesday when I have to wait for room. The worst night is also Wednesday when the club area is at least 1/3 empty with outdoor area closed and all regulars are missing. I have reported both here.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2774906]Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city...[/QUOTE]I think it is relative. One will see Sao Paulo is well above the other Latin America cities if one compares Sao Paulo to Medeliin Colombia, for example. It will be very obvious.

Just some complementary information about Casarao, and this does not change a good report is a good report. I purposely stayed minutes walking distance away from Casarao for a month in my previous trip so I went there regularly just to experience it myself.

The room is R50 for 30 minutes, but according to locals they give you 10 minutes buffer so it is actually 40 minutes in total. I have not tested the 40 minutes limit. I paid by credit card once and it was R68 or R78 or something like that. It is much more than 10% so it was a surprise to me. Again, maybe it is 10% but it wasn't for me that one time. The girl also took me to the doorman for me to pay her by card but I refused and paid her by cash so that is a little weird too.

I think the room varies in size. I have only been to the small room which is about the size of 4 x4 room with smaller bed. It is cleaner than 4 x4.

One can pay R30 to enter without consumption. For R50, the extra R20 gives you two free beers. I met a few expats who are regulars. They are very efficient. They always pay $30 and pick a girl to fuck for 30 minutes.

The price the girl charges depending on the girls and appearance. Balboa said he paid 300 an hour but he is fluent in Portugueses and experienced. This is just a reference if you like to negotiate. I don't have the ability so I pay more. LOL

[QUOTE=Balboa;2710471]I was there (Casarao) on Thursday night. Each girl I talked to opened with a price of 250 for a half hour and 350 for the hour.

I went with 2 girls that night, separately.

Each girl I ended up paying 300 for the hour, BBBJ included, plus the room cost.
Definitely negotiate a little. They both said yes to 300 for an hour in an instant. Im thinking I could even ask for lower, but 300 seems fair for everyone.

Also, one of the girls I went with was telling me about her Euro namorado (boyfriend) that sends her money weekly.
She showed me their text messages professing love and saudades.
His contact name was Gringo, lol.
I asked her what she calls him in person, and she said, amor.
They have a nice Google translate love affair going.

Great time with each of the girls I sessioned with at Casarao.
Not looking for a girlfriend there though, lol.[/QUOTE]


The picture shows the hotel next door. When you leave, and want to re-enter later, they will give you a bracelet, then you can reenter without being charged again.

It is a good idea to ask the girl if they do BBBJ if you must have it.

If one is here during weekend, and is interested a little more about local culture. Are Augusta has many clubs, you can venture out walking toward west to people watch. That will help you kill some time.

Many thanks to Nounce, Axel Heyst, DreamCarnarvon, Bearsi, The Critic et al. I really appreciate the solid advice on how to go about things in Brazil and the different points of view from these fine gentlemen.

Brooklin Massagem: I went there yesterday afternoon and four girls were presented, one Ruiva, two brunettes and a black girl. The redhead was sexy and I was tempted but I ended up choosing the brunette named Duda as I recalled reading good reviews of her. 24 years old, very cute face with a plump body but I dug her. She happened to speak pretty decent English for a Brazilian clinica girl so that made the session a little more interesting. She gave an awesome BBBJ where I asked her to slow down and she engaged in some stellar BLS and literally made gentle love to my cock. Put the rubber on and we went at it in ppmm (papa mama which is Brazilian for missionary LOL) where I enjoyed looking at her pretty face and kissing her before I shot my load after 15 minutes. We had an engaging conversation until the buzzer rang and all in all an hour of my life that was well spent.

Scandallo: I plan on visiting today and will go with Axel's advice and pay the are $500 and try to experience the place at its peak after 10 PM, rather than getting in before 7 PM to save are $200. Don't want to be tired of the place before it really starts kickin, though judging from all the posts that would be unlikely. Even if I don't pull I hope to get some contacts for the slow days around New years for outcalls to my hotel.

Casarao: I'll definitely be visiting this club, given the high praise from Bearsi and other members as well as the cost effectiveness.

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am staing with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2774943]Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip. Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo. The place opens at 10 pm but girls don't start pouring in til 11:30 and the place is pretty packed at 12:30 so best bet is to come at midnight. I made the mistake of coming in at 10:30 pm. I went with a buddy who had been there before during his last trip and he didn't like it but it was open so we decided to check it out. They have completely renovated the space since he last came because he was impressed. Apparently it was a cheap local scene where guys would wear basketball shorts and tank tops and so attracted the sub par talent. New management completely changed that and made the place more upscaled without charging more. When we arrived there was only 10 girls. I asked one of the girls if more girls would come and she said they start coming in after 11 pm. Luckily we stayed to see and she was right. I saw a cute Ruiva walk past and so I chatted her up. She just came out from scandallo and told me that scandallo girls come here after their shift if they didn't land anyone or need some more cash as the entrance to come in is free before midnight for girls and 50 brl after which still isn't bad. So you can definitely see some solid 7's and 8's.[/QUOTE]Wow seems like they have really taken things up a notch there! Will definitely have to check it out again. And as as far as I'm concerned your great report is more evidence that it would be a good idea to hit Scandallo earlier so you can go to Casarao later. Maybe you will see some of the same garotas and be able to run up in that bunda for less hehehe!

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2774906]Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.[/QUOTE]Interesting observation.

I know a few affluent Paulistas. Not uber wealthy by any means. My observation is that they are very sensitive about security and transportation. They drive decent but practical cars. If we go out drinking at night, they have private car services that they know and use. They will never use taxis or ubers.

These are just my anecdotal observations. I never had a conversation with them about sports cars or luxury cars.

[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2774876]ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am stayng with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.[/QUOTE]Please let us know how this all works out. Schwab is suppose to rebate the ATM fee. I have never tested the limit of this rebate. Regardless of the Schwab rebate, I generally avoid using ATMs at hotels, airports and clubs because they overcharge for the convenience. So I stick to major bank ATMs usually at a branch.

Some of my experiences regarding some of the recent discussions:

ATM fees:.

Some ATMs (Some in GRU near the exit and the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo comes to mind) have a very high ATM fee structure based on a percentage of withdrawal. Thankfully both Schwab and my high end Chase account reimbursed the fees fully, which were $50 plus dollars per transaction. So for me, it's not a big deal, as long as I declined the conversion. With that sad, it is best to use a regular bank ATM in the city. I like Bradesco and Satander.

Scandallo entrance fee / min consumption:

It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years. When I first went in May of 2021, It was R150 before 7 pm and R300 after 7 PM. It has crept to R200 / R400 earlier this year and now stands at R300 / R500. On some nights when they have special musical guest or events, It can be up to R600-800 after 7 pm!

The consumption portion can be used for food, alcohol, non-alcoholic drinks, tobacco products (cigars, cigarettes, vape pens), etc.

If you go there before 7:00 pm, you can return later in the same day / night and don't have to pay any additional entrance fee or minimum consumption. On your return visit, you just pay for whatever you consume. Please note that whatever leftover consumption from your earlier visit does not carry over to your return visit.

One useful strategy to save money that my friends and I have used is to get there before 7:00 pm, pool our consumption and get a bottle or two, and then return later in the evening after dinner somewhere else to drink the bottles. Any bottle you buy is good for 6 months. You can use your unfinished bottles upon your return visit. You can drink your bottle (s) over the course of days or weeks or months. The strategy is best when you're going with a few friends, but still can be useful if you are solo and plan to revisit the club.

Arriving before or after 7:00 PM:

They are pros and cons to both option besides the cheaper admission. I have been to the club as early as 2:00 pm and as late as 1:00 am.

I have found some real gems early in the afternoon / early evening. Those gems that I found were only there for short period of time, because they were getting over some difficult short-term financial situations. They chose to go to the club during the day, so it doesn't affect their normal personal lives, and can chalk it up to working a regular job during the day. While others just aren't night owls, big drinkers or don't want to compete with the night time talent.

It is very interesting to see the shift change that occurs between 6 to 9:00 pm You get to see a larger pool and variety of talent. Then they are some superstars who only show up after 11:00 pm as they are confident that they can always wheel in a guy, so they know they don't need to put in the full 8-hour shift to get a free invite the next day. Or they are financially secure enough to not care about the free invite.

It all comes down to whether you would get bored at the club by coming in earlier. When I go there early, it is usually with friends so time goes by quick. And we usually leave to go eat elsewhere and then return later in the evening when it's hopping. Other times, we go just before 7 pm and eat dinner there, as we don't want to stay up past midnight. So it's just a relaxing night out with the boys and the girls we pick for the night. BTW, the food is very good at Scandallo.

But like others have said, the afternoon / early evening pales in comparison to late night in terms of vibe, energy, amount of girls and guys. Before 7 or 8 pm, only the small bar by the elevator, restaurant and small outdoor patio are open. After 8 or 9 pm, depending on occupancy, they open the bigger outdoor terrace, which doubles occupancy space. After 9 to 10 pm, they open the club / disco, and the space doubles again!

I've found Wed and Thursday to be the busiest, followed by Tuesday and Friday, with Saturday being the slowest. It is crazy from 11 pm until 2-3 am, when it begins to calm down.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2774906]Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.[/QUOTE]There are plenty, but you will not see those during the week. Paulistanos and Paulistas tend to drive them more during weekend, when they might not be stuck in traffic. Also, many keep their sport cars in their week-end houses, where they can drive more freely. If you were to visit any of the top buildings in VNC, Itaim, Jardins, Cidade Jardins you will notice the car garage are enclosed, with doors and fitted with all the whistles, inside those close box, there are plenty of Ferraris, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, MB, and bullet proofed SUV and luxury cars.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2775080]Interesting observation.

I know a few affluent Paulistas. Not uber wealthy by any means. My observation is that they are very sensitive about security and transportation. They drive decent but practical cars. If we go out drinking at night, they have private car services that they know and use. They will never use taxis or ubers.

These are just my anecdotal observations. I never had a conversation with them about sports cars or luxury cars.[/QUOTE]One of my suppliers in Colombia told me this many years back. In South America, one can tell how wealthy a person usually by the car they drive. Note. I said wealthy and not rich. Many wealthy businessmen will drive basic practical cars because they are less likely to get robbed or mugged in the street and will hire a driver / bodyguard. I still notice what kind of car they drive whenever I meet a new supplier and whenever they tell me they are poor, I laugh and tell them this story. They usually concur.

Deserves words of distinction! Clear writing and visual report.

There are many places in SP out of the comfort zone.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2774943]Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip.

Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo...[/QUOTE]

Wanted to mention this small story. Took a taxi near to a shopping in the Moema area. The taxi driver was an evangelist (religious music playing on his radio).

When he left me at the door of the clinica he said some moral quote like "these guys going to **** houses" (mais um cara indo para puteiro).

I could have said nothing, but decided to reply: Yeah, my girlfriend works there. (oh sim, minha nomarada trabalha alí oh).

Taxi driver replied: Didn't want to offend my friend (sem animo de ofender amigo).

Religious guys always suck. Those are the first to make the line in clinicas weekends.

Good tip about the wine.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2775136] ... It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years...[/QUOTE]This happens to Medellin high end clubs too. I think because the supply is limited. They may have figured out price increase did not reduce business so they did it. Coincidently, there are 3 posts complaining about how expensive Casarao has become on the last page or so on GPGuia.

Tonight I needed someone to share pizza with me in one of the best pizza restaurants. I contacted a girl and invited her to join me and did a video call. The girl likes wine so we ordered a bottle. The total is less than R500. I told the girl in WhatsApp that the dinner is no strings attached and she can leave after. She sent me this when we finished pizza before desert. LOL. We talked by WhatsApp in the restaurant and it was mostly in Portuguese but this message she wrote in English.

Random observations over the last few days.

I stayed a few nights at the JW Marriott. Used to be the Four Seasons and, in fact, Uber shows the pick-up as being the Four Seasons Hotel. The hotel was great and the rooms much better than the Renaissance, but I would not recommend for mongering. They're aren't any safes in the rooms so I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing back someone I just met.

Went to Bomboa Tuesday night. Room fee was are $170, not $150 as reported earlier.

Scandallo Thursday night was dead. I was there from 10:00 until midnight. The outdoor area next to the restaurant was closed off, the upstairs was closed off, and overall just had the pandemic era vibe. Took a Blanca back to my hotel (I moved to the Grand Hyatt). I felt like I was overpaying a bit but the little head was thinking, not the big head. However, she and the little head were muito simpatico and the big head thanked the little head later.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2775136]Some of my experiences regarding some of the recent discussions:

ATM fees:.

Some ATMs (Some in GRU near the exit and the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo comes to mind) have a very high ATM fee structure based on a percentage of withdrawal. Thankfully both Schwab and my high end Chase account reimbursed the fees fully, which were $50 plus dollars per transaction. So for me, it's not a big deal, as long as I declined the conversion. With that sad, it is best to use a regular bank ATM in the city. I like Bradesco and Satander.

Scandallo entrance fee / min consumption:

It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years. When I first went in May of 2021, It was R150 before 7 pm and R300 after 7 PM. It has crept to R200 / R400 earlier this year and now stands at R300 / R500. On some nights when they have special musical guest or events, It can be up to R600-800 after 7 pm!

The consumption portion can be used for food, alcohol, non-alcoholic drinks, tobacco products (cigars, cigarettes, vape pens), etc.

If you go there before 7:00 pm, you can return later in the same day / night and don't have to pay any additional entrance fee or minimum consumption. On your return visit, you just pay for whatever you consume. Please note that whatever leftover consumption from your earlier visit does not carry over to your return visit...[/QUOTE]The exit and re-entry strategy no longer works. They fixed that loophole. I tried to do that, got in by 5 paid $300 all consumption, then tried to exit before using it. The lady said if I entered later after exiting I need to pay $500.

I will be in Sao Paulo from January 3 - 31.

Please contact me if you want to meet up sometime.

Read reviews for massage near Santo Andre on GP Guia. One had good reviews for excellent massage but was warned is a Gilf. Advertises for 200 for an hour. I have a date tonight so did not actually want to blow my load. Mostly wanted to see what is considered good here in Santo Andre. A middle aged MILF did meet me at the door. Pleasant smile and hug. She does have nice breasts and the massage consisted mostly of rubbing those all over me. No therapeutic massage at all and that is actually what I needed this morning. She could not understand why I did not finish and really tried hard to make it happen. Was ok and we talked with translator for a while. Said she is studying psychology at the hospital. I gave her 200 R even though I was only there for an hour because she really was sweet and tried hard. The ad photos are probably a few years old.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/abc-paulista/santo-andre/coroa-muito-carinhosa-que-adora-as-preliminares-id-sx5pw[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2775326]The exit and re-entry strategy no longer works. They fixed that loophole. I tried to do that, got in by 5 paid $300 all consumption, then tried to exit before using it. The lady said if I entered later after exiting I need to pay $500.[/QUOTE]Do you have to use up the consumption before you leave and then they'll let you back in with no charge or are you saying even if you use the consumption before you leave they'll still charge you to come back in?

It's easy to use up the consumption at this joint and advisable since you'll just be throwing away money if not. Food is great and can definitely replace a lunch or dinner meal.

From open time til 10 pm its just an upscaled hooters restaurant. Less space and less girls. All you can do is eat and drink since everything is closed off so you're just a sitting duck for the waiters to fuck you and then the girls to slap a fork in you and call it a day. I see no reason to go before 9 pm because of this and less more so with this new development!

The nerve! I have half a mind of writing the brazilin ambassador to the US and the president of brasil for this atrocity!

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2775365]The nerve! I have half a mind of writing the Brazilian ambassador to the US...............[/QUOTE]No need to write him. You can just speak to him at Scandallo when he's in town.

What exactly are clinicas? Like small brothels? How do I find them? Going to Brazil in March for the first time. Trying to find something like that. German eros brothels style.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2775321]Random observations over the last few days.

I stayed a few nights at the JW Marriott. Used to be the Four Seasons and, in fact, Uber shows the pick-up as being the Four Seasons Hotel. The hotel was great and the rooms much better than the Renaissance, but I would not recommend for mongering. They're aren't any safes in the rooms so I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing back someone I just met.

Went to Bomboa Tuesday night. Room fee was are $170, not $150 as reported earlier.

Scandallo Thursday night was dead. I was there from 10:00 until midnight. The outdoor area next to the restaurant was closed off, the upstairs was closed off, and overall just had the pandemic era vibe. Took a Blanca back to my hotel (I moved to the Grand Hyatt). I felt like I was overpaying a bit but the little head was thinking, not the big head. However, she and the little head were muito simpatico and the big head thanked the little head later.[/QUOTE]Hey CatBert, I appreciated your reportage about Scandallo on Thursday night (I assume it was on the night of Dec 29,2 nights before New Year's Eve.) because it is looking more and more likely that my next trip after my May / June upcoming visit will be over December 2023/ January 2024. A few BM's have already given me some insight into what to expect over the holidays and into the first week of January and your report confirms it.

On prior trips I have been to Scandallo on a couple of different national holiday nights and it was a similar vibe and situation to the one you reported. Like you I was able to find a nice girl anyway, but my ace in the hole for next Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and New Year's Eve is my Valerie. I will have her over all 3 nights for an intimate, quiet time and after the New Year's I will probably take her somewhere nice for that 1st week in January 2024.

P.S. The Sao Paulo JW does not do it for me. #1. It is too damn expensive. #2. It has an inconvenient location. 3. It has an indoor pool. And #4. While I am not worried about having a girl over because I can always place my valuables in a locked suitcase, a wall safe is a lot more convenient. Plus, the JW SP does not accept Chase Marriott annual voucher nights, so the hell with them. I like the Renaissance, but not at ++ $250/ night. Ha Ha. I would rather spend my hard-earned money at Scandallo and Bomboa on smokin' hot girls. I like 5-star hotels, but I am not in love with 5-star hotels. KKK. The Grand Hyatt SP, on the other hand, is a pretty good deal for what you get for a lot less $$.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2775409]Hey CatBert, I appreciated your reportage about Scandallo on Thursday night (I assume it was on the night of Dec 29,2 nights before New Year's Eve.) because it is looking more and more likely that my next trip after my May / June upcoming visit will be over December 2023/ January 2024. A few BM's have already given me some insight into what to expect over the holidays and into the first week of January and your report confirms it.

On prior trips I have been to Scandallo on a couple of different national holiday nights and it was a similar vibe and situation to the one you reported. Like you I was able to find a nice girl anyway, but my ace in the hole for next Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and New Year's Eve is my Valerie. I will have her over all 3 nights for an intimate, quiet time and after the New Year's I will probably take her somewhere nice for that 1st week in January 2024.

P.S. The Sao Paulo JW does not do it for me. #1. It is too damn expensive. #2. It has an inconvenient location. 3. It has an indoor pool. And #4. While I am not worried about having a girl over because I can always place my valuables in a locked suitcase, a wall safe is a lot more convenient. Plus, the JW SP does not accept Chase Marriott annual voucher nights, so the hell with them. I like the Renaissance, but not at ++ $250/ night. Ha Ha. I would rather spend my hard-earned money at Scandallo and Bomboa on smokin' hot girls. I like 5-star hotels, but I am not in love with 5-star hotels. KKK. The Grand Hyatt SP, on the other hand, is a pretty good deal for what you get for a lot less $$.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing all of this. How is the location of Grand Hyatt in terms of getting around SP? The Renaissance, from other reports, seems like the ideal location to stay but like you said, it is $$.

I am surprised to hear that there is no safe in the room. When I stayed there in July there was a full laptop safe. However, I stayed at one of their suites, which I found spacious and modern.

I agree that the location isn't ideal for nightlife, and I probably prefer the Grand Hyatt which is nearby and offers better overall service and amenities.

The one positive I found was that their lounge was open 24 hours and you can get beers and even Red bulls from the fridge and take them to your room at any time.

Their breakfast selection was pretty mediocre, but I chalked it up to it's new opening when I stayed.

I am also surprised to hear that you can no longer use the Marriott CC free night certificates, as I used one for my stay early this year. Their cash rates are pretty high, and they need to step up their game big time to compete at those prices.

Axel. I have two separate stays booked in April. All nights are redemption. Cash rates are really too much, but I had some free nights to use. I don't have a Marriott CC, but instead have the Ritz Carlton Visa. Don't think that would make any difference at all.

This will be my first stay at the Sao Paulo JW. I am done with the Renaissance.

Socrates. Mediocre breakfast at JW? Nothing surprises me anymore. On a positive note, during my stays at the Renaissance (11 nights in January, and also February), I found the cafe the manha much better in the exceutive lounge. Good people there, and that made a difference.

FWIW, I have had the best breakfasts in some of the flat service locations in Jardins.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2775365]Do you have to use up the consumption before you leave and then they'll let you back in with no charge or are you saying even if you use the consumption before you leave they'll still charge you to come back in?




Yes ,if you don't use your consumption,and leave,it will go to waste, even if you do use them and exit, reenter again,you need to pay the $500, thats if its after 7pm. Not sure what you pay if you exit at 3pm, and reenter at 5pm

It's easy to use up the consumption at this joint and advisable since you'll just be throwing away money if not. Food is great and can definitely replace a lunch or dinner meal.

From open time til 10 pm its just an upscaled hooters restaurant. Less space and less girls. All you can do is eat and drink since everything is closed off so you're just a sitting duck for the waiters to fuck you and then the girls to slap a fork in you and call it a day. I see no reason to go before 9 pm because of this and less more so with this new development!

The nerve! I have half a mind of writing the Brazilian ambassador to the US and the president of brasil for this atrocity![/QUOTE]Yes, if you don't use your consumption, and leave, it will go to waste, even if you do use them and exit, reenter again, you need to pay the $500, that's if its after 7 pm. Not sure what you pay if you exit at 3 pm, and reenter at 5 pm.

[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2775045]Many thanks to Nounce, Axel Heyst, DreamCarnarvon, Bearsi, The Critic et al. I really appreciate the solid advice on how to go about things in Brazil and the different points of view from these fine gentlemen.

Brooklin Massagem: I went there yesterday afternoon and four girls were presented, one Ruiva, two brunettes and a black girl. The redhead was sexy and I was tempted but I ended up choosing the brunette named Duda as I recalled reading good reviews of her. 24 years old, very cute face with a plump body but I dug her. She happened to speak pretty decent English for a Brazilian clinica girl so that made the session a little more interesting. She gave an awesome BBBJ where I asked her to slow down and she engaged in some stellar BLS and literally made gentle love to my cock. Put the rubber on and we went at it in ppmm (papa mama which is Brazilian for missionary LOL) where I enjoyed looking at her pretty face and kissing her before I shot my load after 15 minutes. We had an engaging conversation until the buzzer rang and all in all an hour of my life that was well spent.

Scandallo: I plan on visiting today and will go with Axel's advice and pay the are $500 and try to experience the place at its peak after 10 PM, rather than getting in before 7 PM to save are $200. Don't want to be tired of the place before it really starts kickin, though judging from all the posts that would be unlikely. Even if I don't pull I hope to get some contacts for the slow days around New years for outcalls to my hotel.

Casarao: I'll definitely be visiting this club, given the high praise from Bearsi and other members as well as the cost effectiveness.
[/QUOTE]Damn $60 US ATM machine fee? Never heard such a thing. Max I ever saw was $15 at a nightclub, which I thought was steep.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2775485]Axel. I have two separate stays booked in April. All nights are redemption. Cash rates are really too much, but I had some free nights to use. I don't have a Marriott CC, but instead have the Ritz Carlton Visa. Don't think that would make any difference at all.

This will be my first stay at the Sao Paulo JW. I am done with the Renaissance.

[/QUOTE]Thanks Papae Noel for reminding me of the terms of the Chase Marriott BONVOY Boundless credit card vouchers. The specific terms are: "Receive 1 Free Night Award every year after your Card account anniversary. Award can be used for one night (redemption level at or under 35,000 Marriott Bonvoy points) at a participating hotel. " with the key restriction being REDEMPTION LEVEL AT OR UNDER 35,000 POINTS. My mistake was forgetting that rates vary over time depending on hotel demand. When I was 1st looking for hotels for my May / June 2023 trip the Renaissance was over that 35,000 pt ceiling, so I booked a room at the Sheraton with my voucher certificate. The Sheraton is not a bad hotel, but in that neighborhood, I prefer the Hilton next door and the Grand Hyatt about 5 blocks away.

Anyway, I just checked the Mariott site and the Renaissance is now available for 27,000 pts on the date I had in mind, so I cancelled my voucher Sheraton reservation and booked the Renaissance instead with my newly restored voucher. The reservation is only for one night, because I am low on Marriott points thanks to my previous weeklong free stay at the Renaissance last October on points. I like the Renaissance, but not at current money prices. And note: the Renaissance is a very popular hotel. When I was last there in October the lobby bar was overflowing with guests even after midnight. These family & couples were so many that they crowded out the FL's who on my previous stays used to sit comfortably at the bar. The hotel guests even took over the bench outside the hotel preventing Valerie and I from smoking weed there. HA HA. No worries, we smoked on the other side of the hotel, and no one bothered us.

[QUOTE=Raul69;2775391]What exactly are clinicas? Like small brothels? How do I find them? Going to Brazil in March for the first time. Trying to find something like that. German eros brothels style.[/QUOTE]It's pretty much what you described. They are all over the city, mostly concentrated in Moema. Great for daytime activities.

A few more random observations.

First, I provided bad intel about the JW Marriott. Based on responses below, I looked more closely when I stayed there last night, and sure, enough, there's a safe in one of the drawers.

I went to Bomboa again Friday 12/30. The place was dead. Maybe 7 girls, 5 of which were sitting at a table with a bunch of locals. Time was about 10 pm. There were more guys in the place than women. Right before I was about to leave the locals left, freeing up a real stunner who was not only the stereotypical Brazilian beauty (curvy but no extra fat) but was just tipsy enough to be completely uninhibited in the room without being sloppy.

Saturday night (12/31) all the boates were closed. Oh, well.

I've spent NYE in Rio before and the vibe in Sao Paulo was completely different. I chatted with the bartender at the JW Marriott and he told me it was typical for Paulistanos to travel over NYE which may explain why everything was shut down.

[QUOTE=Raul69;2775391]What exactly are clinicas? Like small brothels? How do I find them? Going to Brazil in March for the first time. Trying to find something like that. German eros brothels style.[/QUOTE]Clinicas are brothels posing as massage parlors. Prives are the same thing except smaller. See the below for list of them and their locations. Use google translate to read the reviews of girls. Prices posted are for gp-guia members who post, so you will pay more if you are not.

Clinicas [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=8[/URL].

Prives [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=9[/URL].

I was not able to get any photoacompanhantes girl to answer me all day and none of the clinics were open so I made my first visit to Casarao. My first surprise was how easy it was to get to and how safe I felt there. The second surprise was them asking for ID. They did accept my US drivers license which was good because I don't carry my passport around. As a suggestion you might want to make a copy of your passport to take with you. The third surprise was how small it is. I arrived at 11:00 so it may open more later.

There were few girls there and I had not actually intended to session with anyone just learn. However I stopped to talk with one brunette GND type. After awhile I suggested we go down stairs where it is quieter and sit for a while. I love affection and she was showing signs of being good at it. She asked me to purchase her a gin and tonic and showed me that it would be 83 r. I said that was expensive but I decided it might be worth it. When it came she got some of the foam on her lips and french kissed me with it. Mmm yup I decided correctly. More girls were coming in and some were thinner and prettier but I am in the game for the affection. She explained that it would be 50 R for a room and 250 for her for 30 minutes or 300 for the hour. I don't remember the room rate change. Then she said if I wanted her to come to my hotel it was 150 to the house and 500 to her and she would make it very worth my while. I added up the costs and benefits and it was a no brainer. She finished her drink and we headed out.

You will be interested to know that I paid my entrance and her take out fee with my credit card and they did not put a fee on it. No percentage etc. She then wanted to get something to eat and we ended up at a burger place across the street. Again no concern about being safe. She had said she would purchase her own dinner and even bought me a soda. Though I could have easily done that I was interested in how she would keep her word and she did.

She ordered an Uber and asked if I would reimburse her. Of course! Arrived at the hotel after the ride where she was kissing and hugging tight into me. And she was as good as she had claimed. Fourth surprise. Wonderful oral no condom and very good muscle on the main event. An hour later she asked for the reciprical massage I had suggested. I gave hers first and she fell asleep. Then woke up and gave me mine. She said she would stay with me til 3:30 and set her alarm and cuddled into me. We both woke to her alarm and she changed it to 4:40 and cuddled into me. When it went off she turned it off and cuddled into me. At 6 she suggested another round which I gladly accepted. Wow what oral.

She is not a call girl but a civilian who only goes on occasion making a little extra so did not want a review or number out. If you happen to meet a brunette with large breasts that loves to cuddle and kiss you probably found her.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2776099]I was not able to get any photoacompanhantes girl to answer me all day and none of the clinics were open so I made my first visit to Casarao. My first surprise was how easy it was to get to and how safe I felt there. The second surprise was them asking for ID. They did accept my US drivers license which was good because I don't carry my passport around. As a suggestion you might want to make a copy of your passport to take with you. The third surprise was how small it is. I arrived at 11:00 so it may open more later.

There were few girls there and I had not actually intended to session with anyone just learn. However I stopped to talk with one brunette GND type. After awhile I suggested we go down stairs where it is quieter and sit for a while. I love affection and she was showing signs of being good at it. She asked me to purchase her a gin and tonic and showed me that it would be 83 r. I said that was expensive but I decided it might be worth it. When it came she got some of the foam on her lips and french kissed me with it. Mmm yup I decided correctly. More girls were coming in and some were thinner and prettier but I am in the game for the affection. She explained that it would be 50 R for a room and 250 for her for 30 minutes or 300 for the hour. I don't remember the room rate change. Then she said if I wanted her to come to my hotel it was 150 to the house and 500 to her and she would make it very worth my while. I added up the costs and benefits and it was a no brainer. She finished her drink and we headed out.

You will be interested to know that I paid my entrance and her take out fee with my credit card and they did not put a fee on it. No percentage etc. She then wanted to get something to eat and we ended up at a burger place across the street. Again no concern about being safe. She had said she would purchase her own dinner and even bought me a soda. Though I could have easily done that I was interested in how she would keep her word and she did.

She ordered an Uber and asked if I would reimburse her. Of course! Arrived at the hotel after the ride where she was kissing and hugging tight into me. And she was as good as she had claimed. Fourth surprise. Wonderful oral no condom and very good muscle on the main event. An hour later she asked for the reciprical massage I had suggested. I gave hers first and she fell asleep. Then woke up and gave me mine. She said she would stay with me til 3:30 and set her alarm and cuddled into me. We both woke to her alarm and she changed it to 4:40 and cuddled into me. When it went off she turned it off and cuddled into me. At 6 she suggested another round which I gladly accepted. Wow what oral.

She is not a call girl but a civilian who only goes on occasion making a little extra so did not want a review or number out. If you happen to meet a brunette with large breasts that loves to cuddle and kiss you probably found her.[/QUOTE]THIS is why I consider SP over Rio.

There is alot non pros / civilians in boates like scandalo and casasrao, two of my favorite places in SP although I'm more inclined to casarao considering it's a better value.

There are pros and cons for a girl who is a civilian / non pro but I believe it's more pros.

They don't nickel and dime you, they aren't the best negotiators and they don't watch the clock since they don't have 4 other clients to rush to and keep a schedule with. It feels more authentic and just a more organic interaction. They most likely won't rob you and they only want to make double what they make at work for the day which is like 100-200 brl, so 500 for the night is great for them.

The only cons I can think of is trying to see them again as they have regular jobs so it's hard to try to meet during the day or do an overnight. They also might be not as experienced as a pro.

The only place in Rio that comes close to casarao is Dolce Vita which also doesn't get packed til after midnight.

Lots of pros and some non pros there. Had a good experience there which I will write in my rio report. But as in all things in rio, it's a tiny place compared to SP standards. I would see the same girls all the time so the variety isn't there. One can find non pros all over rio but that takes time and great porto which is in short supply for most of us so it's not really in the cards.

Still reading through pages and answers may already be there. Trip in couple of weeks (end of Jan).

1. I will land at 9/9. 30 am. I am considering either Grand Hyatt or AirBnB. Sunday through Fri. Work trip with fun mixed in. Where might I have better chances of an early check-in and better sleep. Not sure yet if I am bringing anyone back for an all-nighter.

2. Read a comment that Scandallo should be the earlier part of my trip. But, would Sunday night be slow? Should I do Wed instead? Of course, thoroughly read about the two options, aka slow dinner at 9 pm vs not arriving until midnight. Clear on that part.

3. I don't know any Porto. I would love to, but two weeks is perhaps enough just to say "Hello," and equivalent of "meu português andão é bom". Can I still navigate the major clubs / clinicas? On that note, happy to hang with fellow ISG'ers if you are around.

[QUOTE=Jignesh;2776604]2. Read a comment that Scandallo should be the earlier part of my trip. But, would Sunday night be slow? Should I do Wed instead? Of course, thoroughly read about the two options, aka slow dinner at 9 pm vs not arriving until midnight. Clear on that part.

3. I don't know any Porto. I would love to, but two weeks is perhaps enough just to say "Hello," and equivalent of "meu portugus ando bom". Can I still navigate the major clubs / clinicas? On that note, happy to hang with fellow ISG'ers if you are around.[/QUOTE]2. Scandallo is closed on Sundays. Casarao, however, is open, but it does not open until 10 pm, and it is best to go around midnight. Wednesday is usually a very good night to go to Scandallo.

3. Portuguese is a plus, but not a necessity. Google translate works fine and the girls are used to using it with foreigners. Just be sure your phone as fast internet service or use the club's wi-fi.

[QUOTE=Jignesh;2776604]Still reading through pages and answers may already be there. Trip in couple of weeks (end of Jan).

1. I will land at 9/9. 30 am. I am considering either Grand Hyatt or AirBnB. Sunday through Fri. Work trip with fun mixed in. Where might I have better chances of an early check-in and better sleep. Not sure yet if I am bringing anyone back for an all-nighter.

2. Read a comment that Scandallo should be the earlier part of my trip. But, would Sunday night be slow? Should I do Wed instead? Of course, thoroughly read about the two options, aka slow dinner at 9 pm vs not arriving until midnight. Clear on that part.

3. I don't know any Porto. I would love to, but two weeks is perhaps enough just to say "Hello," and equivalent of "meu portugus ando bom". Can I still navigate the major clubs / clinicas? On that note, happy to hang with fellow ISG'ers if you are around.[/QUOTE]1. Most airbnbs allow early check-in as long as there isn't someone else leaving that day. If there is, they will allow bag drops. Now, this doesn't apply to every single one, but definitely most of the ones I have stayed in or asked about happily agree. If you want to relax and freshen up and it is a long flight, it is better to book a hotel (atleast for the first couple of days). Make sure to check if the hotel / airbnb is guest friendly. Some aren't and it is better to find out earlier than later.

2. I dunno how long your trip is, but if it is more than a week, I would recommend delaying Scandallo until you have tried the other spots. Once you have been to Scan, everything else will start looking average (both quality and quantity). You want to ease into it if you want to have fun. But if your goal is to do as many hotties as possible in a short period, hit Scan every day by all means. Sundays are closed, Mondays are slow too. Tuesday to Thursday is the best time to be there. Best time to go is after 10 PM.

3. Portuguese is useful to build chemistry with girls. But the girls can still sell you the GFE without it very convincingly. It is absolutely not necessary anywhere. You will be fine either way. You will see tons of guys using Google translate in clubs. It used to be awkward at one point in the past, but now, it is common practice.

Hope that helps!

I have a week in SP on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panamá? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776841]I have a week in SP on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panam? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?[/QUOTE]You want a beachfront. From Sao Paulo I would head to Tijuana, stay at a beachfront hotel on Tijuana beach, then uber to the many clubs in Tijuana proper such as Hong Kong, Adelitas, Chicago, etc. for carnal fun. Then take a cheap flight to Mexico city.

Since a lot of the clinicas were closed after the new year I decided to try a low cost photoacompanhantes girl (100 R). Of course I know many of these are bait and switch etc. However I received a reply that she was on her period and could not do a session. I had some time so thought I might just offered lunch to meet face to face and see if I wanted to session with her. Two days later she responded and said she would like lunch. We met for lunch and It was nice. She held my hand and we talked. I figured the time was over but she wanted to come to my hotel. We got in the hotel and she immediately began french kissing me. A lot. I thought ok. Then she wanted to massage, I gave her a massage that then turned into love making. And a good session it was. Then I was confused so asked her about payment. She said 450 R. What! Yes three hours of her time for 150 R each. I gave it to her and sent her on her way. The love making was great but I did not expect that much. Lesson learned to me. Clarify clarify clarify.

Not the girl in the photos.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/pinheiros/branquinha-liberal-com-tesao-disponivel-com-local-id-6yt34[/URL]

So, first 3 months in Brazil just over. It's been. Intense.

I'll separate this report in 2 sections. Pros, and non-pros.

# Pros.

I met with Nuupter on my first day, and after a well deserved churrasco that left me groggy (I'm not used to eating that much meat anymore), we decided to sample the clinicas. Nuupter totally guided me there, and is overall an awesome hobby partner. Thanks man for getting me started!

We went through a few of the classic Clinicas, Moema Prime, Miruna, and a third one I can't remember the name of. Anyway after watching the line-up in these 3, I decide to come back to Moema, where a Ariela, a caramel-colored woman had hit the right spot for me.

I have to say I was overall stressed by the experience. I've been in brothels, I've mongered for 2 decades, but for some reason this setup was freaking me out a bit (and it's all on me, no one did anything to make me feel uncomfortable, all the contrary).

Anyway, once chosen, the experience was awesome, with a few notes.

The setup is very minimal, but sufficient for my needs and the price. But the hot shower that can be set between various levels of "it's burning my skin anyway" was very frustrating.

Ariele has some moves. The kisses are great, the oral was too, she's super clean and after I ate her out, she climbed in 69, which is an initiative I really appreciated.

I know, some guys have feelings about going down on a pro who's been with clients already during the day, but even if there's stuff I don't need to taste, I trusted her cleanliness and it paid back anyway.

Let's say that she got very wet and no lube, or anything else but our warm bodies was necessary for the main course.

After a good while, multiple positions and a lot of energy spent, I finished in her mouth and there was nothing to be seen anywhere.

We have a bit of a broken conversation with my very limited Portuguese, then we get back for round 2. Which is as excellent as the first one. I get her phone number too.

Following night, we agree to go to Scandallo with Nuupter. And that's a real candy shop. I may not have high enough standard, but I would bed the vast majority of the ladies around.

I do struggle to have some conversations, between broken portuguese and my eyes that just want to undress these ladies. But I end up gathering some Whatsapp numbers.

That's enough sampling of Scandallo for me for the night. I've slept with a Tinder non-pro the night before and morning, so anyway I don't have enough stamina for actual action. We still go to another club, I don't remember its name, but it's just too noisy and even more overwhelming for me. Ladies clearly less good than Scandallo.

Two days later I chat with a few of the girls I grabbed the phone number of, Isabel, and organise an encounter during the day in my hotel. Isabel is very curvy, with silicon in her lips, boobs and ass. That's exactly what I like, and she has the slutty demeanour to go with it. She rocks up to my hotel with clearly "fuck me" clothes on, which I have no problems whatsoever with.

Great session. 2 hours, 3 pops, 800 BRL. BBBJ, great french kiss, she knows how to move her body, we even manage to have decently interesting conversations in broken Portuguese + translator.

And. Looking back to it, that's the end of my pros encounters. I kept talking with Ariela, who happens to be a local porn star called Ariella Ferraz (google her, she's got quite a few explicit scenes out there), but I never managed to meet her again, because I ended up friending a local non pro who filled all my needs. And I filled her "needs" too.

# Non Pros.

Well, Tinder in Medellin seems to be a bit of a challenge, but it clearly worked for me in Brazil. In 4 days in Sao Paulo, I had 2 dates that ended up in bed. One of them, Paula, went full on very flattering on the photos, happened to be very chubby. Buuut. I was horny. I also actually enjoyed conversations with her (in English) to the point that I met her again another evening, but telling her that nothing intimate was on the table.

The other one, Eliana, well. We spent a super fun afternoon in my hotel room, dancing, listening to Brazilian music, plenty of sex, drinking on the balcony. To the point that I flew her to Fortaleza for a weekend a month later and I spent 4 days around new year with her in Sao Paulo before flying out to Colombia.

I spent most of my time in the Nordeste, in Preá, which is close to Jericoacoara. I'm a kite boarder and that was the main drive of this trip.

In Preá, I ended up hooking up with 6 different ladies, multiple times, over a period of 2 months. They were definitely not this forum's definition of 9 or 10 20 somethings, but they were free, still what I'd rate 7, always some level of fit, hot as hell, not shy, fun.

Some highlights would be:

- a blowjob in the middle of nowhere during a quad excursion, after having spent the previous half hour as the passenger with one hand on a big silicon breast and a finger deep inside her, holding like that while the quad was bouncing around the sandy trail.

- countless kisses under the stars on a quiet beach.

- holding for my life as the 3rd passenger on the far back of a motorcycle, wearing a short and flip flops, holding tight to whatever was available (a loose bike handle and the chest of my partner for the night), while the mototaxi pilot was just sliding left and right on the sand, between the stray dogs and other crazy drivers, knowing that I was going to get laid by this super energetic, horny and hot chick.

Anyway, I had a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777462]So, first 3 months in Brazil just over. It's been. Intense.

I'll separate this report in 2 sections. Pros, and non-pros.

# Pros.

I met with Nuupter on my first day, and after a well deserved churrasco that left me groggy (I'm not used to eating that much meat anymore), we decided to sample the clinicas. Nuupter totally guided me there, and is overall an awesome hobby partner. Thanks man for getting me started!

We went through a few of the classic Clinicas, Moema Prime, Miruna, and a third one I can't remember the name of. Anyway after watching the line-up in these 3, I decide to come back to Moema, where a Ariela, a caramel-colored woman had hit the right spot for me.

I have to say I was overall stressed by the experience. I've been in brothels, I've mongered for 2 decades, but for some reason this setup was freaking me out a bit (and it's all on me, no one did anything to make me feel uncomfortable, all the contrary).

Anyway, once chosen, the experience was awesome, with a few notes.

The setup is very minimal, but sufficient for my needs and the price. But the hot shower that can be set between various levels of "it's burning my skin anyway" was very frustrating.

Ariele has some moves. The kisses are great, the oral was too, she's super clean and after I ate her out, she climbed in 69, which is an initiative I really appreciated.

I know, some guys have feelings about going down on a pro who's been with clients already during the day, but even if there's stuff I don't need to taste, I trusted her cleanliness and it paid back anyway.

Let's say that she got very wet and no lube, or anything else but our warm bodies was necessary for the main course.

After a good while, multiple positions and a lot of energy spent, I finished in her mouth and there was nothing to be seen anywhere.

We have a bit of a broken conversation with my very limited Portuguese, then we get back for round 2. Which is as excellent as the first one. I get her phone number too.

Following night, we agree to go to Scandallo with Nuupter. And that's a real candy shop. I may not have high enough standard, but I would bed the vast majority of the ladies around.

I do struggle to have some conversations, between broken portuguese and my eyes that just want to undress these ladies. But I end up gathering some Whatsapp numbers.

That's enough sampling of Scandallo for me for the night. I've slept with a Tinder non-pro the night before and morning, so anyway I don't have enough stamina for actual action. We still go to another club, I don't remember its name, but it's just too noisy and even more overwhelming for me. Ladies clearly less good than Scandallo.

Two days later I chat with a few of the girls I grabbed the phone number of, Isabel, and organise an encounter during the day in my hotel. Isabel is very curvy, with silicon in her lips, boobs and ass. That's exactly what I like, and she has the slutty demeanour to go with it. She rocks up to my hotel with clearly "fuck me" clothes on, which I have no problems whatsoever with.

Great session. 2 hours, 3 pops, 800 BRL. BBBJ, great french kiss, she knows how to move her body, we even manage to have decently interesting conversations in broken Portuguese + translator.

And. Looking back to it, that's the end of my pros encounters. I kept talking with Ariela, who happens to be a local porn star called Ariella Ferraz (google her, she's got quite a few explicit scenes out there), but I never managed to meet her again, because I ended up friending a local non
I had a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]Good report on Prime. Ariela does great porno action during the session. She is up for any hardcore dirty porno fantasies.

I did a fantastic threesome action with Ariel and blonde skinny Karen. Together they had no limits including taking turns as submissives. I could talk in basic Porto Spanglish which helped to enjoy the session. The entire room was a damn mess after an exhausting duplo 2-hour session. We could talk and joke around in basic Porto Spanglish which helped to enjoy the session.

Anyway, excellent report.

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777462] So, first 3 months in Brazil just over. It's been. Intense. ... I spent most of my time in the Nordeste, in Pre, which is close to Jericoacoara. I'm a kite boarder and that was the main drive of this trip. ...[/QUOTE]
Good report! Glad to see you spent time up in northern Brazil. Any chance of a more detailed/update on Fortaleza, Pre, Jericoacoara or just the joys of kiteboarding in the area?

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777462]In Pre, I ended up hooking up with 6 different ladies, multiple times, over a period of 2 months. They were definitely not this forum's definition of 9 or 10 20 somethings, but they were free, still what I'd rate 7, always some level of fit, hot as hell, not shy, fun. ... [/QUOTE]

It sound like the kiteboarding and surfing, are as good as ever? Also Fortaleza, has always been one of my favorite hot-spots, to chillax and enjoy a slower pace of mongering or beach life in general.

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777462]Some highlights would be:

- a blowjob in the middle of nowhere during a quad excursion, after having spent the previous half hour as the passenger with one hand on a big silicon breast and a finger deep inside her, holding like that while the quad was bouncing around the sandy trail. ... [/QUOTE]

Buggy rides around the dunes of Praia de Futuro, were always special and a memorable treat. However, I think your buggy rides, were definitely more memorable than mine....so kudos! (...kkkk!)

Good times, thanks Again!

Guys, I'm not someone who goes to restaurants for fun, I also avoid bars. I like banging gorgeous women tho (but just casual, cold sex, nothing close to GFE). So far I've tried one girl from photoacompanhantes and one from clubmodel or SPLove, idr. To give something back to this community I'll post short reviews below, but given my desires can you convince me to try going to scandallo? Seems like super waste of money unless the girls down there are a lot better than these I can order online.

Also as I'm alone here in SP, from what I understand if I'd like to catch up with some fellow members in order to go to scandallo or other place alike together, I need to purchase premium on this forum to have access to PMs, correct?

Reports:

Girl 1, from photoacompanhantes, lots and lots of positive reviews on gpguia, was super horny so figured out I don't really need a model, ordered her to my place as I don't think she has her local, waited a pretty long time due to traffic but she finally arrived, about 40 yo short woman, arrived with beer for herself as I said I'm good and I don't need anything to drink, started with BBBJ until the end as I was horny and wanted to finish the first round in her mouth somewhat quickly (we agreed for her to stay for 90 mins so plenty of time to regenerate after that) which I did. Quick break, BBBJ again, some sex, finally I decided I'll finish in her mouth again which I did, afterwards she did my first ever rimming on me.

Later that day it turned out she left her top at my place (she arrived with "I'm a hooker" outfit and left in a regular dress she brought with her), we agreed she'll come to get it 2 days later and that's when I asked if she's fine with giving me a quick blowjob free of charge. "Just a little kiss" she responded via translator and a few minutes later the load landed in her mouth for the third time within the last 48 h.

250+50 for uber for 90 mins.

Girl 2, 8/10 from SPLove or clubmodel, 500 brl paid before we got naked, not bad BBBJ but after 20 minutes she started convincing me that the time is up and I need to "finalizar" which, despite I laughed it off, kinda killed the mood and the rest of the meeting was not really memorable.

These are my first reports ever, hope you enjoy and I'm looking forward for somebody to answer my questions above.

[QUOTE=BangKoker;2777604]...These are my first reports ever, hope you enjoy and I'm looking forward for somebody to answer my questions above.[/QUOTE]I can provide some suggestions based on the context.

Have you tried clinica yet? If not, I suggest you give it several tries. Go to see reviews on gp-guia and pick the girl based on it, although I rarely did it that way. This is where you can get more consistent sex performance but you may need to compromise on the look. If their schedule shows up on my WhatsApp and I see someone I will post here today.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;2775865]Clinicas are brothels posing as massage parlors. Prives are the same thing except smaller. See the below for list of them and their locations. Use google translate to read the reviews of girls. Prices posted are for gp-guia members who post, so you will pay more if you are not.

Clinicas [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=8[/URL].

Prives [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=9[/URL].[/QUOTE]



You can also try Casarao. There are reviews on gp guia. It opens all nights but started at 10 PM and it can still be going strong sometimes at 4 AM or 5 AM. I used to live a short walk from it. The schedule is perfect for me because I got off work late at night. LOL.

I think you probably should try Scandallo once for the experience but go with reduced expectation about the look of the girls. I never really find girls that attractive to me [B]consistently[/B] but it can be very good to great on some nights. Some members can find girls that they like consistently. So it depends if you are like me or if you are like the other. You don't know until you go. I will say it is worth it if you are not a frequent visitor and is on vacation because you spend to buy a good time. Everyone has different budget, if you don't want to spend that much, just go before 7 PM to check out the place. Like you are going to have dinner, and 300 to have dinner at a nice place is not expensive. If you like it, you may still end up spending 500 easy independent of when you go. LOL.

Also

[QUOTE=Axel Heyst;2774728]...
But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, remarkable display of quality girls of all shapes and sizes that hang out there. But things do not really get going until 10 pm and the place is very quiet before 7 pm with only a fraction of the girls that show up later. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar will be roped off and closed until around 9 pm. Sure some afternoon Scandallo girls are very nice, but for the most part these afternoon Scandallo girls are not much different in quality than the better looking clinica girls you can have at a fraction of the cost in the afternoon in Moema. So, you will not have the true Scandallo experience if you go before 7 pm and you will be left wondering what all the talk and high praise is about. Therefore, I strongly recommend a 1st time punter to wait until 9 pm or 10 pm and then check out the numero uno bordello / nightclub in all of South America. You won't be sorry. In addition, not all Scandallo nights are equal. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights are the hottest, best nights to be there.....[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Steve 9696;2774903]Got to agree with Axel on this. Scandallo is not Scandallo until late night. 10 would be the bare minimum earliest I would go. It will get busier at 11 and 12 and beyond. It will be rocking till the wee hours. But I'the say shoot more for like 10 or 11. Even later is fine.[/QUOTE]

The problem with Scandallo for me is it sets the high base price. I am here for several months at a time. Instead of going out, I just want to have someone come over after work. If you count the cost by month and do it all year, then it is not ideal. Medellin or Rio are the place to be. The best thing about Medellin is the huge supply of girls that don't want to work regular job. It is very easy and inexpensive to have one or two every night. They can bring all the party supplies you want too and they stay until you want them to leave. You get the pros but not the cons once you have invested the effort. 😂

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2776185].... they aren't the best negotiators and they don't watch the clock since they don't have 4 other clients to rush to and keep a schedule with. It feels more authentic and just a more organic interaction. They most likely won't rob you and they only want to make double what they make at work for the day which is like 100-200 brl, so 500 for the night is great for them.

The only cons I can think of is trying to see them again as they have regular jobs so it's hard to try to meet during the day or do an overnight. They also might be not as experienced as a pro.....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2777704].... If their schedule shows up on my WhatsApp and I see someone I will post here today....[/QUOTE]Based on the reviews, I think Luma and Hellen / Ellen are good. You can check others.

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Many people think Abbbora has the best girls, it has reviews on GPG. This may be the clinica that is easier to get both performance and look at the same time,

Greetings, dear fellow mongers.

I came by the beautiful SP to re-visit the usual clinicas.

Everything is the same. Lots of pretty girls. Prices creeped up slightly (Tangara and its satellites are 140 now) but not much.

Great food, nice weather, not too cold, not to hot.

However, I had my first very disappointing experience at Clinica Miruna.

A girl Larissa: in the room, didn't seem to want to hug, didn't want to do BBBJ, wrapped the boy before it even had the chance to get up, and after the insertion **insisted** on changing the position after about 15 seconds. (we started with her being on top).

I didn't want to change the position, and she didn't want to come back to being on top. So after a few moments I got up and went to the shower, she was out of the room faster than I could finish the rinse.

Of course, the management didn't want to do anything. So I ended up paying 190 for the very disappointing six or seven minutes.

Be warned. She is still out there.

I keep reading that one should go there after 10 pm and the best nights are Thursday or Wednesday etc. Etc. I would say take that with a pinch of salt as it seems to be an observational over generalization.

Fwiw I've picked hot chicks any day of the week! And I have now visited this place scores of times. Especially 3 different Saturdays around 5-6 pm picked up young reasonably priced semi-pro types and great sessions without exception this time. One of them is now even married and gone!

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2777951]I keep reading that one should go there after 10 pm and the best nights are Thursday or Wednesday etc. Etc. I would say take that with a pinch of salt as it seems to be an observational over generalization. Fwiw I've picked hot chicks any day of the week! And I have now visited this place scores of times. Especially 3 different Saturdays around 5-6 pm picked up young reasonably priced semi-pro types and great sessions without exception this time. One of them is now even married and gone![/QUOTE]I generally agree. I've always only gone on a Friday or Saturday night and the place always got packed. I say "generally" because I've never been there as early as between 5-6 pm. However, I have been there plenty of times between 7-8 pm and always found hotties waiting to fuck. And if for whatever reason if I didn't go with anybody, then I would have dinner and drinks (the food there is decent) and fuck later. I think the way to play it depends on your likes / dislikes and resources, including how much time you have and want to devote to the club. Do you have the time to get there early and stay late (maybe you need to pick one time slot or another)? Are you the kind of person who will get bored unless the place is already packed and the music is pumping? Or are you someone who appreciates a slower and a quieter environment where it's easy to hear yourself think and have a conversation with another person? Are you interested at all in having dinner and drinks at the club, or is your only real desire to hunt for women? Do you place value on having a shot at being the first horny guy of the night to hump a hottie to your liking while she's still fresh? One should take these types of things into consideration, and whatever else is important to them, when deciding when would be a good time to go to Scandallo. But don't think for a second that you can't have a blast on a Friday or Saturday night. Again, I've always only gone on a Friday or Saturday, I rave about the place just like other guys who like it, it always got packed to the gills, and I had a great time where the action started out slow (I liked that) and then got rocking and rowdy later (I'm versatile so I liked that too). So play it how you want to. Just understand that Wednesday or Thursday after 10 isn't the only good time to arrive. What's a favorable day and time depends on what kind of overall experience you the customer want to have. And SIL and I are telling you that you can have your great experience early or late (or both) on a Friday or Saturday night if you want to. We've both been there and done that. You can too.

I have been to Scandello on a Saturday night back in Jan 2022 and it wasn't bad at all. It definitely wasn't as good as a Thursday night which are then nights I usually go. But it was still pretty damn good.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2777969] I think the way to play it depends on your likes / dislikes and resources, including how much time you have and want to devote to the club. [/QUOTE]I concur with The Cane, I have never had a bad time at Scandalo, to the point of any day is a good day! Timing may be an issue (early vs. Late). IMHO I always find the Candy Store fully stocked to my liking.

Thanks for the input Nounce. Followed your advice and visited one clinica yesterday. Not a bad way for a quick release for a reasonable price. Wish they were opened at night though. Idk why they operate as massage parlors when prostitution is legal. Maybe pimping isn't and that's why?

I'm back in SP and already repeated with a few contacts! I plan to go to scandallo a few times but has anyone been to the new cafe foto or lotus lately? How is the movement at those clubs or any other like it?

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2777951]... Especially 3 different Saturdays around 5-6 pm picked up young reasonably priced semi-pro types and great sessions without exception this time. One of them is now even married and gone![/QUOTE]I think the reason is they have to work around their class or work schedule. If you are a student or have a normal job, it is natural for them to work during weekend of earlier, logically speaking.

I have been to Scandallo during daytime once or twice to meet other members. Almost everyone was dressed more conservatively and in the outdoor cafe area. The ambience felt more reserve similar to Solarium in Rio.

I think it was an interesting experience to go around 7 PM to see girls line up on the bar to get your attention while you have dinner. If I see someone I like, I wave her over. Feel I am in the driver seat, almost no competition. You can see the girls coming for the new shift and catch them early.

I do also like later at night, the live music, and that is often the only time I can go. The drawback is the restaurant can be full or nearly full. The club area is often packed so you have to hunt a little, I was wondering what do I missed? LOL I think one has to like the club atmosphere to enjoy it more.

My logic is this, the longer you stay, the more you spend. Whether you go early or late, your spending may end up about the same.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2777803]Greetings, dear fellow mongers.

I came by the beautiful SP to re-visit the usual clinicas.

Everything is the same. Lots of pretty girls. Prices creeped up slightly (Tangara and its satellites are 140 now) but not much.

Great food, nice weather, not too cold, not to hot.

However, I had my first very disappointing experience at Clinica Miruna.

A girl Larissa: in the room, didn't seem to want to hug, didn't want to do BBBJ, wrapped the boy before it even had the chance to get up, and after the insertion **insisted** on changing the position after about 15 seconds. (we started with her being on top).

I didn't want to change the position, and she didn't want to come back to being on top. So after a few moments I got up and went to the shower, she was out of the room faster than I could finish the rinse.

Of course, the management didn't want to do anything. So I ended up paying 190 for the very disappointing six or seven minutes.

Be warned. She is still out there.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this report. Did she give you any signs that it would be a subpar session? For example, answering very short or with one word, not being engaged and flirting with you? Also, what is her description? Hair color, body type, tattoos? I'd hate to have a terrible session with "Larissa" who will probably change her name after word gets out that a session with her isn't good.

Scandallo! The baddest puta palace on the planet!

[URL]https://youtu.be/FdhYePsTaTk[/URL]

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2777803]Greetings, dear fellow mongers.

I came by the beautiful SP to re-visit the usual clinicas.

Everything is the same. Lots of pretty girls. Prices creeped up slightly (Tangara and its satellites are 140 now) but not much.

Great food, nice weather, not too cold, not to hot.

However, I had my first very disappointing experience at Clinica Miruna.

A girl Larissa: in the room, didn't seem to want to hug, didn't want to do BBBJ, wrapped the boy before it even had the chance to get up, and after the insertion **insisted** on changing the position after about 15 seconds. (we started with her being on top).

I didn't want to change the position, and she didn't want to come back to being on top. So after a few moments I got up and went to the shower, she was out of the room faster than I could finish the rinse.

Of course, the management didn't want to do anything. So I ended up paying 190 for the very disappointing six or seven minutes.

Be warned. She is still out there.[/QUOTE]Did you speak to her about what she would and wouldn't do in the room and get a feel of whether she wanted to do a room with before selecting her? If not, you run a higher risk of bad service.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2778695]Thank you for this report. Did she give you any signs that it would be a subpar session? For example, answering very short or with one word, not being engaged and flirting with you? Also, what is her description? Hair color, body type, tattoos? I'd hate to have a terrible session with "Larissa" who will probably change her name after word gets out that a session with her isn't good.[/QUOTE]I thought about it and couldn't find any specific indications. I mean, yes, she wasn't particularly flirty or interested in me, but I look just like the typical fat nerd, so I don't expect anyone to be swooning over me.

And a few days later, I had another girl at Miruna, who I thought would also be a disaster. No flirting, no holding hands, nothing. But I was completely wrong. After she shower she came, did some hugging, did BBBJ, got on top of me and stayed there long enough for me to be satisfied. The basic "girl next door" experience.

I didn't save Larissa's pics, I don't remember anything remarkable about her, so probably dark hair, average height, etc etc. So just avoid girls with that name at Miruna.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2779187]Did you speak to her about what she would and wouldn't do in the room and get a feel of whether she wanted to do a room with before selecting her? If not, you run a higher risk of bad service.[/QUOTE]No. Usually I never do. I don't know Portuguese, I don't want to embarrass myself, and for me it's kinda interesting to discover what a girl will and won't do, without talking. Touch is my love language.

Anyway, my basic needs are very simple. BBBJ + CFS, with girl on top. When the mood is right, I am open for almost anything else, as long as there's a woman (or women) doing it. But I can be just as happy with the basics.

Here, though, it's not a question of not getting what I want. It's a question of someone trying to get out of doing basically anything. Trying to wrap the boy before he even had the chance to get up is ridiculous and unreasonable. Refusing to be on top is also ridiculous (I don't need her to even move, she can just lie there, I enjoy the feeling of the weight). I am no Brad Pitt, of course, but my hygiene is perfect, I wash and disinfect things, no one has ever complained.

This one is just a bad apple.

I've had similar experiences with girls from photoacompanhantes (where they would have fake pics and would charge up front) but never in a clinica. I see clinicas as places where the basic level of service would be assured.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2779333]This one is just a bad apple.

I've had similar experiences with girls from photoacompanhantes (where they would have fake pics and would charge up front) but never in a clinica. I see clinicas as places where the basic level of service would be assured.[/QUOTE]I can see why people automatically assume every clinica girl will provide basic level of service (in your case BBBJ + CFS) just based on the fact that they work in the clinicas. But as you have learned that is not always the case. The percentage is very low but I have also met clinicas girls who tell me they don't do kissing, don't do BBBJ, don't allow DATY. A percentage of these girls allowed kissing and BBBJ in subsequent sessions. So speaking a bit of Portuguese and sometimes building rapports do help with receiving incredible GFE sessions.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2779333]....Anyway, my basic needs are very simple..... CFS, with girl on top......[/QUOTE]I love that position especially where there's a mirror by my feet.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2777803] However, I had my first very disappointing experience at Clinica Miruna.[/QUOTE]FR -I share your experience. After two sub par experiences at Miruna, I stopped going there. The girl from Paraguay was a gem but lately she has not been there.

I have a thing for tall slim dark haired girls (like some Romanian girls at my nearest FKK). I picked the girl from the line up that matches this description. She was nice and pleasant smiling in the line up but as soon as we were upstairs, she flipped a switch. All business, no attempt to have a conversation despite my attempt with my very limited Portuguese skills. On leaving when the receptionist asked how everything went, I simply signaled 'mais ou menos' with my hand. I don't have the language skill to explain to her when she asked why, paid and left. I later saw this girl at Yankin so either she did get kicked out of Miruna or bouncing around as many clinica girls do. See pic of topless girl.

On another occasion, picked the best looking girl and experience with her was mildly better but nothing to write home about either. See pic girl in red.

I don't plan to return to Miruna the next time I am in SP.

Hey fella,

I will be in SP for few weeks starting January 21st. Would love to tag along with fellow mongers. DM me if want to tag along.

Hi fellas. After a disappointing experience in Thailand, I am finally back in Brazil. Arrived in So Paulo. Full of inflated expectations from scavenging the photoacompanhantes, I spent about 2 days to check and double check the scams and frauds. My estimation is that 90% of what appears in the photoacompanhantes is total fraud and bullshit. There are certain addresses that keep appearing, including:

* Avenida Ceci 729, Vila Mariana. Been there before, total disappointment and I walked away, but one user on Twitter reports that he felt threatened by a dude in there, and escaped assault or kidnapping.

* Rua Concelheiro Furtado 745, Liberdade. Everyone reporting disappointment, scam.

* Rua Frana Pinto 601, Vila Mariana. Been there twice now, disappointment every time, but I have some second thoughts.

* Rua Chui 19, Paraiso. The usual fraudulent ads, but there might be potential if they were just honest instead of lying.

These addresses, I think, are what you would call "clinicas", I. E. , they are normal residential houses or (former) small guest houses, with 3 or more rooms per floor, rooms of the size of residential bedrooms, one shared bathroom. They are not cubicle style or massively retrofitted super small rooms.

The problem with those is that they advertise non existing girls (or 10 year old fotos) promising everything under the the sun, and faking that you talk with the girl but you don't really, they have a shared number or whatever they do.

However, it's not all black and white. Just stupid. Once we adjust our expectations and disregard those photos, there could be utility in just visiting these places and ask for whatever available options and pick. Frana Pinto 601 for example, I went there to see a preggy. And while there were two ads for same address (so improbable) there actually was a preggy there, after some waiting she showed up. And while totally not what's in the photos or age promise, wasn't to bad, I would have gone for it, but she was super cold and avoided any contact, that I declined after all this waiting. But, more importantly, while I was waiting I saw at least one girl I would have chosen if I wasn't so focused on the preggy. That other girl seemed young-ish and decent looking and nice to talk to and probably could have been nice to play with.

At Rua Chui 19, Paraiso, I was waiting for one who, who knows if she exists or not. Was greeted by a passable other one, and while waiting in the room in came one super cute (in my view) girl, who I would have taken on the spot, if only she would have been a little warmer. And since these things depend a lot on the chemistry and if she likes us, it was a near-miss.

Yesterday I was in a Clinica "My Lady" way out there in Osasco Butantã, Av. Escola Politecnica 4561. That place was likely fake too, but since I was already on my way exploring, I figured I would check them out. Again, the ads were misleading, I had wanted a dupla, hoping they would be like bi-lesbian things with girls kissing going on, what I got was total disorganization, despite informing of my arrival over an hour and staying in contact, I arrived on time to random scheduled and occupied girls. Only one of my two were available, I decided to go ahead anyway, and when I met her, I was not overwhelmed, but since I decided, I was going to make the best out of it. At 150 reais, what could go wrong. We had to wait for a half hour for a room to be ready. This allowed me to relax on the sofa, had a little small talk, I just had my hand on her. And it felt OK. When we finally got into the room, I gave the receptionist another 150 saying if the other girl was going to be ready soon-ish, she should send her in.

When the two of us started, the girl I was with was actually quite sweet (to my surprise, as our initial waiting time had not been so great). I rate that as 100% better than what I had experienced in Thailand. There was a real little connection going on. She seemed to have been having some fun too. It took me only 30 minutes to finish, which was good. And the nice thing was, the girl just enjoyed hanging out together the rest of the time, no hurry to get out. When we were like 10 min before end of the hour, the other one came in. And I was sort-a spent already, but I liked what I saw, and she seemed nice. So, I think I will go back soon to see her.

What I learned from that is that these houses gather lots of bad experiences because of their lying and the communication and scheduling nightmare, but with expectations adjusted to reality, and ready to explore what's there, it can lead to pleasant encounters.

I will now search for more reports on "clinicas" and try some others.

Then there are the bloody dammed "agncias", those are old hags or guys talking on whatsapp also, of course, fraudulent ads, and when you actually move forward with an encounter, they shuffle to quickly assign you to someone, and she then is not only not the person of the fotos, but also you never talked to her and she doesn't know, much less agree to, what was promised. This scam is so wide spread that you can't really tie it down. These agncia scams fall into two parts: residential flats and motel encounters. Examples of residential flats are:

* Rua Avanhandava 459, Bela Vista.

* Rua Genebra 296, Bela Vista.

But then the motel scams can be anywhere. The one who shows up will probably not have talked to you aside from being probably not quite as described. One example was my last encounter before I left Brazil 8 months ago. The other was on my first day of exploring back here. One told me to meet at.

* Hotel Lido Plaza, with "freelancer" ad.

But me being clever, I said I won't take the room but meet in front. Showed up and immediate disappointment said so and we parted ways. I might have handed her 30 reais for the "Uber" that was really the transport dude. Bullshit.

I was also looking for a dupla in Jardins, Alameda Campinas 675. I had little hope, but kind-a in the mood of exploring and just discarding shit. The two women I met were about 10 years past age of whatever fotos and, stupidly not well kept. Then turned out to be quite "chatas" as we say here, starting with their voices. Voice is a good indicator, therefore, I like it when they give away short voice messages, this allows to assess age. The metallic screechyness and the annoying affectation ("estamos no ceeeentro t? This "t?" with raised voice, is so annoying, and shows a horrible attitude.) You know then you are either talking with a phone operator or an annoying woman.

Another thing to be able to see these scams for what they are is to contact many at once. Then check the replies. When you receive more than one response that is exactly the same, could be an automatic message or just an "Oiii", and if the person is constantly online and responds without even considering your question (I had one responding "Oiii" and "estou disponivel" several times. Then you know this is one of those bloody agencias and you can just forget it.

But even with these freelancers and flat dwellers, there is not all black and white. Sometimes you do have a decent girl show up, but you have to talk first, before agreeing to anything, to re-hash (or hash for the first time for her) what you want. And have no qualms of sending her back.

IMO, punters should make the cost of lying and scamming much higher by sending them back and walking away every time, so these girls stop the lying and stop participating with the scammer dudes. I think there might even be a protection racket going on, where these scammer dudes beat up real freelancers in order to later offer her protection if she participates in the scam op.

Finally, "photos verificadas" on photoacompanhante means nothing.

Higher price is no guarantee of better quality.

Having positive TDs only means something if it is more than one and not something obviously of a scam ring.

So, over all, the cost of following all these bad leads is pretty high. Definitely just sitting down in a Gogo Bar drinking beer in Pattaya is much easier. But then again, I find Brazilian girls much more delicious and having no language barrier, I can negotiate my way to something decent and worth repeating much easier.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2780155]So, over all, the cost of following all these bad leads is pretty high. Definitely just sitting down in a Gogo Bar drinking beer in Pattaya is much easier. But then again, I find Brazilian girls much more delicious and having no language barrier, I can negotiate my way to something decent and worth repeating much easier.[/QUOTE]The only question I have after reading your report is why would you want to waste your time with all this bullshit when there are so many respectable clinicas, great boates, and genuine high class call girl sites in SP?

I am sorry SS, but there is nothing I see of value in your report. I have been to SP 4 times which cumulatively comes to roughly half a year in the city of women, and I was never tempted to follow the path you outlined. Why would look for shit when there is gold all around you?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2780155]Hi fellas. After a disappointing experience in Thailand, I am finally back in Brazil. Arrived in So Paulo. Full of inflated expectations from scavenging the photoacompanhantes, I spent about 2 days to check and double check the scams and frauds. My estimation is that 90% of what appears in the photoacompanhantes is total fraud and bullshit. There are certain addresses that keep appearing, including:

* Avenida Ceci 729, Vila Mariana. Been there before, total disappointment and I walked away, but one user on Twitter reports that he felt threatened by a dude in there, and escaped assault or kidnapping.

* Rua Concelheiro Furtado 745, Liberdade. Everyone reporting disappointment, scam.

* Rua Frana Pinto 601, Vila Mariana. Been there twice now, disappointment every time, but I have some second thoughts.

* Rua Chui 19, Paraiso. The usual fraudulent ads, but there might be potential if they were just honest instead of lying.

These addresses, I think, are what you would call "clinicas", I. E. , they are normal residential houses or (former) small guest houses, with 3 or more rooms per floor, rooms of the size of residential bedrooms, one shared bathroom. They are not cubicle style or massively retrofitted super small rooms.

The problem with those is that they advertise non existing girls (or 10 year old fotos) promising everything under the the sun, and faking that you talk with the girl but you don't really, they have a shared number or whatever they do.

However, it's not all black and white. Just stupid. Once we adjust our expectations and disregard those photos, there could be utility in just visiting these places and ask for whatever available options and pick. Frana Pinto 601 for example, I went there to see a preggy. And while there were two ads for same address (so improbable) there actually was a preggy there, after some waiting she showed up. And while totally not what's in the photos or age promise, wasn't to bad, I would have gone for it, but she was super cold and avoided any contact, that I declined after all this waiting. But, more importantly, while I was waiting I saw at least one girl I would have chosen if I wasn't so focused on the preggy. That other girl seemed young-ish and decent looking and nice to talk to and probably could have been nice to play with.

At Rua Chui 19, Paraiso, I was waiting for one who, who knows if she exists or not. Was greeted by a passable other one, and while waiting in the room in came one super cute (in my view) girl, who I would have taken on the spot, if only she would have been a little warmer. And since these things depend a lot on the chemistry and if she likes us, it was a near-miss.

Yesterday I was in a Clinica "My Lady" way out there in Osasco Butant, Av. Escola Politecnica 4561. That place was likely fake too, but since I was already on my way exploring, I figured I would check them out. Again, the ads were misleading, I had wanted a dupla, hoping they would be like bi-lesbian things with girls kissing going on, what I got was total disorganization, despite informing of my arrival over an hour and staying in contact, I arrived on time to random scheduled and occupied girls. Only one of my two were available, I decided to go ahead anyway, and when I met her, I was not overwhelmed, but since I decided, I was going to make the best out of it. At 150 reais, what could go wrong. We had to wait for a half hour for a room to be ready. This allowed me to relax on the sofa, had a little small talk, I just had my hand on her. And it felt OK. When we finally got into the room, I gave the receptionist another 150 saying if the other girl was going to be ready soon-ish, she should send her in.

When the two of us started, the girl I was with was actually quite sweet (to my surprise, as our initial waiting time had not been so great). I rate that as 100% better than what I had experienced in Thailand. There was a real little connection going on. She seemed to have been having some fun too. It took me only 30 minutes to finish, which was good. And the nice thing was, the girl just enjoyed hanging out together the rest of the time, no hurry to get out. When we were like 10 min before end of the hour, the other one came in. And I was sort-a spent already, but I liked what I saw, and she seemed nice. So, I think I will go back soon to see her.

What I learned from that is that these houses gather lots of bad experiences because of their lying and the communication and scheduling nightmare, but with expectations adjusted to reality, and ready to explore what's there, it can lead to pleasant encounters.

I will now search for more reports on "clinicas" and try some others.

Then there are the bloody dammed "agncias", those are old hags or guys talking on whatsapp also, of course, fraudulent ads, and when you actually move forward with an encounter, they shuffle to quickly assign you to someone, and she then is not only not the person of the fotos, but also you never talked to her and she doesn't know, much less agree to, what was promised. This scam is so wide spread that you can't really tie it down. These agncia scams fall into two parts: residential flats and motel encounters. Examples of residential flats are:

* Rua Avanhandava 459, Bela Vista.

* Rua Genebra 296, Bela Vista.

But then the motel scams can be anywhere. The one who shows up will probably not have talked to you aside from being probably not quite as described. One example was my last encounter before I left Brazil 8 months ago. The other was on my first day of exploring back here. One told me to meet at.

* Hotel Lido Plaza, with "freelancer" ad.

But me being clever, I said I won't take the room but meet in front. Showed up and immediate disappointment said so and we parted ways. I might have handed her 30 reais for the "Uber" that was really the transport dude. Bullshit.

I was also looking for a dupla in Jardins, Alameda Campinas 675. I had little hope, but kind-a in the mood of exploring and just discarding shit. The two women I met were about 10 years past age of whatever fotos and, stupidly not well kept. Then turned out to be quite "chatas" as we say here, starting with their voices. Voice is a good indicator, therefore, I like it when they give away short voice messages, this allows to assess age. The metallic screechyness and the annoying affectation ("estamos no ceeeentro t? This "t?" with raised voice, is so annoying, and shows a horrible attitude.) You know then you are either talking with a phone operator or an annoying woman.

Another thing to be able to see these scams for what they are is to contact many at once. Then check the replies. When you receive more than one response that is exactly the same, could be an automatic message or just an "Oiii", and if the person is constantly online and responds without even considering your question (I had one responding "Oiii" and "estou disponivel" several times. Then you know this is one of those bloody agencias and you can just forget it.

But even with these freelancers and flat dwellers, there is not all black and white. Sometimes you do have a decent girl show up, but you have to talk first, before agreeing to anything, to re-hash (or hash for the first time for her) what you want. And have no qualms of sending her back.

IMO, punters should make the cost of lying and scamming much higher by sending them back and walking away every time, so these girls stop the lying and stop participating with the scammer dudes. I think there might even be a protection racket going on, where these scammer dudes beat up real freelancers in order to later offer her protection if she participates in the scam op.

Finally, "photos verificadas" on photoacompanhante means nothing.

Higher price is no guarantee of better quality.

Having positive TDs only means something if it is more than one and not something obviously of a scam ring.

So, over all, the cost of following all these bad leads is pretty high. Definitely just sitting down in a Gogo Bar drinking beer in Pattaya is much easier. But then again, I find Brazilian girls much more delicious and having no language barrier, I can negotiate my way to something decent and worth repeating much easier.[/QUOTE]So I'm going to guess you have a very low budget. Like 200 R or something? Otherwise you would go to Casarao or someplace and meet hot girls face to fCe and do the deed. But even with a tiny budget why in the world are you exploring all these crap venues that are known to be crap and stated as such here? Why not just go to Tangara which is cheap and well respected and you see the girls face to face and decide? Why the dick deathwish?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2780188]So I'm going to guess you have a very low budget. Like 200 R or something? Otherwise you would go to Casarao or someplace and meet hot girls face to fCe and do the deed. But even with a tiny budget why in the world are you exploring all these crap venues that are known to be crap and stated as such here? Why not just go to Tangara which is cheap and well respected and you see the girls face to face and decide? Why the dick deathwish?[/QUOTE]Clinicas in Moema all have good variety and attractive girls that you can see in a lineup right in front of you face to face with prices from 150 are and at night as steve said head to Casarao and scandello. Why anyone uses online agencies with all the scams and fotoshopping I have no idea. Can't wait to my return trip last week of March.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2780175]The only question I have after reading your report is why would you want to waste your time with all this bullshit when there are so many respectable clinicas, great boates, and genuine high class call girl sites in SP?

I am sorry SS, but there is nothing I see of value in your report. I have been to SP 4 times which cumulatively comes to roughly half a year in the city of women, and I was never tempted to follow the path you outlined. Why would look for shit when there is gold all around you?[/QUOTE]Hey, can you recommend any of the high class call girl sites? I'll be there in March and want to sample what is considered "high class" in SP.

It's because I have been fooled by this photoacompanhante stuff for too long. I got some real gold there, but the vast majority is crap. I have indeed never ventured to the venues like clinicas, or rather, I only stumbled into them now. When staying in SP was always around centro bela vista, and Moema always seemed off. But then I went down there anyway, just never to these renowned clinicas. Frankly, I haven't even read a lot of the forum here, despite (or because) I have lived on and off for over a decade in Brasil. And no, my budget isn't small, funny thing is, my first Brazilian hooker I ordered in over 12 years ago cost 350 reais, same as today, with a vastly worse forex rate. I have long come to the conclusion that money isn't a guarantee for results. Like I saw yesterday, had a really good time for 150, a bit far off, but the clinicas in Moema are same price, so. And yes, Scandallo I will do this week too. Sounds like what Help once was in Rio, so, need to go before that closes too. I certainly was too focused on this online site stuff, but really I now know that that's almost futile. And again it doesn't matter the price, splove, clubmodel super expensive, and pointless because you never get what you hope for. With few exceptions. Going to see my porn starlet "friend" Gi Paes, who sadly lost both her kidneys to the fucksine bullshit. That girl I found through photoacompanhante and boy was she real and good. The sweetest thing up for anything, and also not cheap. So what I found about price is that expensive is no guarantee, but someone who is good and in demand does move her prices up. But just because she asks a high price is of no significance. Some of the girls here really like what they are doing.

My initial reaction after reading stinky squid's post was the same as Axel Heyst, Steve and MaxLee88. But you have to give credit to him for taking the effort to sift through 95% poo in order to try and find that 5% gold. Its not a knock. I did the same thing squid did back in 2019, looking for those rare diamonds in the rough on photoacompanhantes. Some encounters I had:

#1 A lady who was about 30 years older than her photos she posted on her ad. 50 some BBW mature. Fortunately she was still attractive enough for me and being a BBW lover, we had an incredibly memorable session. Total GFE and she did everything to try and please me. She was so good that later on I hit her up to set up a threesome.

#2 Mid 20 girl working out of a rundown apartment. She was the girl in the photos, except 50 pounds heavier. Chubby but not fat fat. She was still hella cute for me. She was passive and service was meh. But she had a friendly personality. Had my portuguese been as good as it is now, I definitely would've went back and groomed her into a GFE.

#3 Straight bait and switch in a flat in the Bela Vista neighborhood. The girl was actually decent looking. She locked the door and blocked it. So I couldn't get out until I gave her the money (half of what she charged).

#4 Another straight bait and switch in a flat in the Consolação neighborhood. She turned out to be a mulata instead of a morena. I learned from #3, turned around and bolted like Usain Bolt.

#5 A residental house on the outskirts of SP. The girl was exactly as the photo, nice and thick. Face was tolerable as well. Service was above average but was a bit rushed. Very friendly personality. Again, had my portuguese been better, probably would've been able to gotten more GFE out of her.

#6 Bait and switch but she was a 7 on my scale. Met her in my airbnb and decided to let her stay. Beautiful tall curvy fit body. Unfortunately she was full of frescuras. Ended the session within 5 minutes, gave her the money and told her to leave.

#7 A lactating girl in her mid 20's. Cute, girl next door type. Body matched the photos, tall and slim. She was quiet as a mouse. I had her twice and we barely spoke to each other in person. But she was a real gem! Super GFE sem frescuras. I still remember bits of details of our hot and sexy sessions.

#8 Another lactating girl in her late 20's. Completely different from the one above. Super outgoing and fun. Loved to talk. Ironically, she was terrible in bed, not experienced at all. She tried to get me to take her out on a date but I ignored her as she was terrible in the bed.

#9 A third lacating girl in her mid 20's. Similar to #7. Again body matched the photos. Due to my then almost nonexistant portuguese, we barely talked. But our chemistry was pretty decent. Second session was not as good as the first session.

#10 A gem in her mid 20's. We met at a motel. Arrived on time, considering her being a brazilian kkk. Beautiful and friendly with an amazing curvacious body. Face was attractive as well. Told me she had just come back from working in Europe where she was charging the clients a lot more. Service was a 9/10! Her BBBJ still remains to this day top 5. Looking back, I regret not repeating with her.

#11 A thick mulata somewhere in her 20's. Never got to see her in the nude. Face was tolerable. This turned out to be a weird encounter. We orginally met at a motel close to her way out in zona leste. But the motel wouldn't accept a digital photo of my passport. So she agreed to meet me the next day in a motel closer to me over whatsapp. But then she ghosted me.

#12 A true BBW like the ones in Plumperpass, working out of a private flat. Beautiful face. Unfortunately she was cold and I could tell she didn't like her job. Body 10/10 but service 3/10.

#13 Another BBW but not as plump as #12. Private flat in the Republic neighberhood. Body matched the photos. Face was decent. We had great chemistry in spite of my nonexistant portuguese. Service was great and not rushed. Got her number afterwards but never did repeat with her.

#14 A lactating mulata in her mid 30's. Body was out of shape and below average. Face was bit below average. She talked me into doing a threesome with her prima. The photos of her prima she send me definitely didn't matchup. She was barely lactating and her prima was slight better looking than her. But both of them were nice and friendly and tried hard to get me to cum. They invited me to join them for lunch but I declined.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head. 6 out of 14 positive sessions I think is a decent number. The thing is you have to go into photoacompanhantes with low expectation and with a effecient strategy to avoid the fakes. And having at least an intermidate level of portuguese would greatly help improving the odds of receiving GFE sessions. Even so, I haven't tried photoacompanhantes since then. Wouldn't mind giving it another go but only as a supplement to the clinicas.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2780218]who sadly lost both her kidneys to the fucksine bullshit. [/QUOTE]Say WHAT now?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2780218]I... I have long come to the conclusion that money isn't a guarantee for results. Like I saw yesterday, had a really good time for 150, a bit far off, but the clinicas in Moema are same price,....And again it doesn't matter the price, splove, clubmodel super expensive, and pointless because you never get what you hope for. With few exceptions. ....[/QUOTE]We know you have tried the 150 but the good one seems to be the exception. Did you try clubmodel to come to the same conclusion? I am going to say it based on my personal experience. The odds will be better if money is not an issue.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2780218]And yes, Scandallo I will do this week too. Sounds like what Help once was in Rio, so, need to go before that closes too.[/QUOTE]Yes, comparing Scandallo to the old Help Disco is fair in terms of the sheer volume of freelance girls. Scandallo is certainly more coin (pricier) and classier.

For us old Help aficionados, you couldn't beat cheap drinks, low / no cover and no exit fee. It was kind of a casual, blue jeans type of place with no pretension. If you had been to Help, you know what I mean.

It sounds like an old nickname, Dynamic Duo, a waiter in Cafe Photo who is my friend called them like that. Brunette and Blonde girl. The waiter is around his late 50's, once he found and saved my credit card a night I was too drunk and got me a taxi. Muito gente fina (top guy).

The brunette is super cute and looks like a ninfeta (brazilians call that girls who look young teens). Lovely and classy. The blonde drove a sport car and I knew they left to northern Sao Paulo every morning.

I saw them two times in Cafe Photo November and December last year. They always arrived together like very close friends, hand by hand, dressed with very classy cocktail dresses and the last time the ninfeta brunette was in casual clothes with a cap and playing with a lollypop in her mouth. They always left with guys who looked like very wealthy brazilians. Their threesome service was around R5000 pernoite, and did everything. Anal, bondage, lesbic, golden shower, domination, etc etc. The waiter told me all that and I was getting very intrigued because it started to sound like a sex legend.

That night they left the club when I was watching them and melting in a table. Hoping the negotiation could fall. But I was realistic, they looked like could afford any crazy request from this mad girls.

The third time the blonde was alone, fortunately and unfortunately because I was already decided to fuck them threesome. So I ran into her in the bar and took her to a table. We had good chemistry and she told me she liked me (I felt like blessed LOL) and that would leave with me. One hour R1500. I asked for her friend, the ninfeta, but she told me she had left the city for a couple of months because she enjoyed the beaches of Santa Catarina.

So we left to my hotel. She left her car in the club parking and we took a taxi. It was incredible to see her walking up the stairs to the hotel lobby in those high heels and black short shiny cocktail dress.

I've already told you guys that I don't run into 10 escorts a week like a machine gun, one or two classy girls a week are just fine for me. And I always keep some kind of memory of such encounters. Anything their pantyhose, a thong, lipstick, pictures or video whenever possible. So I can recall everything and convince myself it really happened.

That white ass and pulling her silky blonde hair (she asked for it) doing a powerful doggy style makes me maaaaad! Jajajaja.

Thank you Santa Claus!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2780536]For us old Help aficionados....[/QUOTE]I have a whole hard drive full of Helpee fotos. When Helpee was in session you could find me in Rio 3-4 x / a year. And don't forget Terraco Atlantico (last foto), that was a whole different experience all by itself! Plus, the food was pretty decent!

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2780682]
The third time the blonde was alone, fortunately and unfortunately because I was already decided to fuck them threesome. So I ran into her in the bar and took her to a table. We had good chemistry and she told me she liked me (I felt like blessed LOL) and that would leave with me. One hour R1500. I asked for her friend, the ninfeta, but she told me she had left the city for a couple of months because she enjoyed the beaches of Santa Catarina.

[/QUOTE]I'm glad you had a great time, but $300 for 1 HR? Ouch. These girls quote crazy high rates sometimes. Have you even tried to negotiate?

I love Brazil, but these rates keep me from coming back and make me stay longer in Colombia, because here $300 is about 1,4 million COP. You can literally have an overnight date with ANY girl you want for that price.

1000 USD pernoite is crazy high. This is not a rich world country after all.

Anyone has map link for highend clinica in SP? I know a few in Moema area (Prima, Aborabar, Kama etc.) and places like Tingara, Lotus.

But a google map link would be nice. Love to hear any clinica recommendation that I haven't mentioned above.

I didn't negotiate this time, I already had a fixation with those two and had to secure one at least LOL she didn't control the time. It was longer than one hour I'm sure.

US $ 1 K for 6-8 hours with those two girls going pervert. I don't see it too expensive.

How much would that cost in Germany or the States?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780877]Have you even tried to negotiate? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2780821]I have a whole hard drive full of Helpee fotos. When Helpee was in session you could find me in Rio 3-4 x / a year. And don't forget Terraco Atlantico (last foto), that was a whole different experience all by itself! Plus, the food was pretty decent![/QUOTE]That's funny. In an effort to offer a brief contrast, I actually edited mentioning the cafe in front of Help after I wrote it in my post.

There was so much talent in the cafe outside, we often never made it into the club. Damn, I miss those planter boxes.

Thanks for the photo uploads. You're right. TA had some decent steak and fish at affordable prices.

Hi KCRL, nice pics! Good to keep memories of the good times.

KCRL and ISGers, maybe you can tell me. There was this website [URL]bikinidolls.net[/URL] (no longer online) the photographer had a great eye to pick his models. I suppose they were GPS. But such great asses. I exchanged mails with him back 2002 or 2003 I'm not quite sure, it's been two decades. All pics made in hotels, not one single pic on the beach, this is why I believe it's Sao Paulo or maybe Southern Brasil.

Have you guys seen them or maybe met them? The brunette has a true rocking brazilian body.

* Admin, you can delete or move this post if you find it Off Topic.

* This time I don't the faces cause pics were already online. Face recognition is widely available.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2780821]I have a whole hard drive full of Helpee fotos. When Helpee was in session you could find me in Rio 3-4 x / a year. And don't forget Terraco Atlantico (last foto), that was a whole different experience all by itself! Plus, the food was pretty decent![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2780925]I didn't negotiate this time, I already had a fixation with those two and had to secure one at least LOL she didn't control the time. It was longer than one hour I'm sure.

US $ 1 K for 6-8 hours with those two girls going pervert. I don't see it too expensive.

How much would that cost in Germany or the States?[/QUOTE]You may not realize that 1 K USD $ = 5,250 BRL $, at this morning's forex. Factor in a Brazilian minimum wage worker would make about 1,250 BRL $/ a month.

Yes, I understand KCRL.

I think they can accept R4500 for a threesome (crazy perv) pernoite. Let's say US $800.

That is something more reasonable.

Being reasonable and perv cancelling words to each other jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2780935]You may not realize that 1 K USD $ = 5,250 BRL $, at this morning's forex. Factor in a Brazilian minimum wage worker would make about 1,250 BRL $/ a month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2780968]Yes, I understand KCRL.

I think they can accept R4500 for a threesome (crazy perv) pernoite. Let's say US $800.

That is something more reasonable.

Being reasonable and perv cancelling words to each other jajajajaja.[/QUOTE]If you live in the States or Germany, and want to compare apples to apples, you have to take into account all other costs (at least, partially) - flights, hotels, time off work, etc. Etc.

Also, you can't just blindly compare what it would cost in the US / rich countries vs what it costs in Brazil. You have to pay attention to local rates as well. You don't pay 20 reals for a caipirinha at a bar where it costs 10 reals, just because it costs 50 are in the States, do you?

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[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2780929] TA had some decent steak and fish at affordable prices.[/QUOTE]My all-time fav TA Helpee pre-game snack was a dozen oysters on the half shell and a bottle of chablis seco estupidiamente gelado. While we're on the food topic I think Meia Pataka deserves an honourable mention, the food was ah-aight, but the main attraction was the place was a virtual chick magnet.

Cheers.

Because you were not in Germany or the states it does not matter how much it would cost in those places.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2780925]I didn't negotiate this time, I already had a fixation with those two and had to secure one at least LOL she didn't control the time. It was longer than one hour I'm sure.

US $ 1 K for 6-8 hours with those two girls going pervert. I don't see it too expensive.

How much would that cost in Germany or the States?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2780929]That's funny. In an effort to offer a brief contrast, I actually edited mentioning the cafe in front of Help after I wrote it in my post. There was so much talent in the cafe outside, we often never made it into the club. Damn, I miss those planter boxes. Thanks for the photo uploads. You're right. TA had some decent steak and fish at affordable prices.[/QUOTE]After my first time at TA I learned never to sit along the back edge lest you be constantly harassed to buy something from somebody, including a piece of ass from an ugly chick. Be gone with you!

He posted it for the same reason you mention Colombia.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780980]...Also, you can't just blindly compare what it would cost in the US / rich countries vs what it costs in Brazil. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780877]...I love Brazil, but these rates keep me from coming back and make me stay longer in Colombia, because here $300 is about 1,4 million COP. You can literally have an overnight date with ANY girl you want for that price....[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is very developed. It is not a cheap place. Many wealthy locals. More nicer restaurants and clubs. Pretty much everything cost twice as much as Medellin. They are not in the same league.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781762]He posted it for the same reason you mention Colombia.



Sao Paulo is very developed. It is not a cheap place. Many wealthy locals. More nicer restaurants and clubs. Pretty much everything cost twice as much as Medellin. They are not in the same league.[/QUOTE]I get your point, but I think it is reasonable to compare one Latam country vs another, or one major city vs another major city. I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league. Airbnb rates in both cities are pretty much the same, so are Uber rates. High end restaurants are a bit more expensive in SP, but not 2 x. I think most of us compare costs in each developing country when deciding where to go. And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck.

PS. I just looked it up, and the average living costs in Colombia are only 20-30% lower than in Brazil. However, the difference in p4p rates is huge

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2781832]...I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league...[/QUOTE]These are some of the reasons I think they are not in the same league.

Cell: SP has 5 G coverage, Medellin doesn't.

Metro:

Medellin has the basic model and is above ground. Sao Paulo is fully loaded and is as deep as 4 story underground. It has better signals, signs, restroom, handicap friendly, free condoms. All these are missing in Medellin.

Sao Paulo's bus is 3 times larger than Medellin and schedule is update real time on the bus station on on Google map. Medellin has large minivan as bus.

Sao Paulo ticket price is US $ 0. 8. Medellin is US $0. 5.

Cars:

On average, Sao Paulo has larger cars. Most cars in Medellin are small hatchbacks. This is where I see wealth, instead of looking at exotics cars.

Restaurants:

There is no Michelin starred restaurants in Medellin, Sao Paulo has several.

Live music is common in Sao Paulo, but not in Medellin.

Espresso machines:

Very few espressos machine outside of El Poblado. It's everywhere in Sao Paulo, including Centro. There is only a 2 small areas in Medellin that are more expensive and they serve many tourists and expats. In Sao Paulo, the business are basically supported by locals.

Sao Paulo has much larger parks and Infrastructure inside the city. All parks or in Medellin are tiny in comparison.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2781832].... And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck...[/QUOTE]That and the number of pussies available. SP pales in comparison.

This is bases on my impression comparing the same type / concept of service based on my experience, not a scientific study:

Brothel: New Life is about US $12 for 30 minutes. Tangara is about USD 28 for 30 minutes. These are the lowest cost well known places so I pick them. A bear is about USD1 in New Life, it is about USD2 in Tangra.

Street food:

The same street food costs much more in Sao Paulo. Are $15 (US $2. 88) vs 6 mil (US1. 28). Medellin comes with drink, while Sao Paulo doesn't come with drink. This is similar in regular local places.

A couple of things that I will miss. A street vendor has stopped making fried rice. Another street vendor has removed ingredients like liver, gizzard,. from their chick soup. It was a sad day when I found out.

Restaurants:

A Vietnamese pho is about 10 USD, after water and a spring roll, the total is about 20 USD. In Medellin, the lunch special that comes with a spring roll is under 5 USD.

A dry aged Tomahawk steak is about USD 20 in a nice restaurant in Medellin. In Sao Paulo, you can easily find steak that cost closer to USD 100 on the menu. A couple pieces of picanha in an above average restaurant will cost USD 15. It is not difficult to spend close to US $ 100 for one person without drink in Sao Paulo. I have never spent even half of that with drink included in any Medellin restaurants that I have been to. I may not have been to the most expensive one but I have been to plenty what are considered expensive.

Daily menu:

The pictures are receipts from orders similar to [B]menu de DIA[/B] in Sao Paulo. In Medellin, I rarely go over 5 USD. In Sao Paulo it is pretty easy to go over 10, and there places that are packed ad lunch time can go above 20 easily. These are what locals eat in both cities and are the same concept so I used them for comparison.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781762]He posted it for the same reason you mention Colombia.



Sao Paulo is very developed. It is not a cheap place. Many wealthy locals. More nicer restaurants and clubs. Pretty much everything cost twice as much as Medellin. They are not in the same league.[/QUOTE]What about accommodation? This is the major hurdle in SP right now. Hotel rates in SP are through the roof. I paid Double Tree Itaim (3* hotel at best) 50 USD during the last phase of Covid. Now the same hotel is 200 USD if I want to book for May 2023. WTF. I don't even dare look up Renaissance Hotel.

[QUOTE=XXL;2782325]What about accommodation? This is the major hurdle in SP right now. Hotel rates in SP are through the roof. I paid Double Tree Itaim (3* hotel at best) 50 USD during the last phase of Covid. Now the same hotel is 200 USD if I want to book for May 2023. WTF. I don't even dare look up Renaissance Hotel.[/QUOTE]During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2782354]The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.[/QUOTE]The 1st rule of ISG is always post after your morning wakeup cup of coffee. The 2nd rule of ISG is never post when you are stoned or inebriated.

When the subject of inflated hotel prices came up I immediately thought of the hotel prices I paid during Formula 1 race week in November 2022. Prices were up 25% or more. Now I like Formula 1, but I have no intention of buying a ticket and watching the race, so I will probably get out of town during the next race week.

But I am already booked for the 2nd half of May 2023 & June 2023, and I have not seen any significant price increases. IN a quick search I found that Expedia has Double Tree listed at $115/ night for superior room with breakfast, the Renaissance at $169/ night (a bargain? And the Sheraton at $256/ night (ridiculous). Which all goes to show you that hotel prices vary a lot over time and if you want a decent hotel rate it pays to 1) avoid high demand dates, 2) start looking for rooms as soon as you know when you want to go, and 3) keep checking the rates like once a week until you find what you are looking for.

But yeah, I hear what XXL is saying. SP hotel rates are higher than the rates of comparable hotels for example say in BKK. The simple reason is that although demand for hotel rooms is higher in BKK than SP (more visitors go to BKK annually), BKK has a significantly higher number of hotel rooms available, so its hotel rates are lower priced. The critical question remains, however, who do I want to shag: Thai girls or Brazilian girls and so far since April 2021 when I 1st began shagging Brazilian girls my answer is Brazilian girls, so I accept paying higher hotel bills and forgo eating great Thai which is also considerably cheaper than Brazilian food. Oh well. I am happy, although my dream trip is Miami to Sao Paulo to Bangkok to Miami: 3 months.

[QUOTE=XXL;2782325]What about accommodation? This is the major hurdle in SP right now. Hotel rates in SP are through the roof. I paid Double Tree Itaim (3* hotel at best) 50 USD during the last phase of Covid. Now the same hotel is 200 USD if I want to book for May 2023. WTF. I don't even dare look up Renaissance Hotel.[/QUOTE]I use AirBnb. You should be able to find some good ones this far ahead.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2780934]I suppose they were GPS. [/QUOTE]Good to know that you are specifically looking to help girls develop GPS.

Maybe next year you can do better. Why pay $1 k when you can pay $2 k.

Visited 2 new-to-me clinicas in the western part of town. Unique Spa and Kin Center.

* Unique Spa is at Rua Miranda Guerra, 1052.

This is inside a big residential house, with a parking patio in the front. It's in a quiet-ish residential area. There is a house number and a guy sitting on a plastic chair by the entrance. Just walk right through and the entrance to the reception will be obvious.

The whole place seems new, clean, and well-maintained. The rooms and the showers are quite spacious. There is a fully stocked fridge and a bar (costs money) and there's a grill (though I am not sure how it works and what would it take to get a piece of meat).

I showed up around noon on a weekday and they had maybe 10 girls in attendance, and more trickled in later. They have a special price that's posted on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] - 140 per hh, 170 per HR (or was it 190? I don't remember, check it out) - but need to tell them your forum ID and show them the ad.

I had 2 fabulicous experiences and 1 weird non-experience.

The fabulicous experiences were with Mel (shorter and curvier girl-next-door) and Paty (taller and thinner girl-next-door with long and lovely hair).

I had them separately, not together. Just couldn't resist.

Both experiences were wonderful: very GFE, lots of kissing, sucking, licking, etc etc.

Then the weird non-experience: there was this girl named Renata. Another cute girl-next-door type. In the first presentation, she came to me but when I reached out to hold her hand she shook my hand off rather abruptly. Since this was after my other two encounters, I was ready to go anyway, so said to myself, whut-evah.

Then the next day I came again, and in the presentation she likewise came around to me but didn't lean in for a greeting kiss, didn't tell me her name, didn't want to make eye contact, and when I asked for her at the reception, the guy gave a long speech in Portuguese. I didn't understand the speech but I gathered that she wasn't available. Tbh I didn't want to press the issue of figuring out of she is not available in general or not available to me. If she doesn't like me, fine. At least I didn't have to pay to discover it. First time like this though.

Overall, gret impression from this place, as long as they keep the rates at the Tangara level, I will keep coming.

* Clinica Kin Center Libera Rivelino 210.

This place is located off a mini-sidestreet. If you think there should be a house, but there isn't, but there is a side street with a graffiti mural at the end. You're in the right place. There's also a sign that says "Kin" something. Or it could be a door mat. There is also a house number. Anyway, it's relatively easy to find. If you're particularly cheap, it's within walking distance from Brooklin subway station (probably less than 5 minutes walk).

This is one of those places where they ask for the payment up front. The cost is 200 for the half hour, and I forgot how much was the hour. I was there in the afternoon on a weekday, and there were maybe 10 girls available, or a few more.

I picked a girl Carla, a shorter curvy girl that was very huggy and huggable. Paid at the front desk, they took me to the room. Was super small, kinda "japanese-style" with a mattress on the bottom. Shower was normal size.

The girl did all the normal things, I enjoyed the experience.

However, it's kinda out of the way and with it being more expensive than the other places and with the pay-first thing I don't really see a reason for me to go back there.

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2779647]
I have a thing for tall slim dark haired girls (like some Romanian girls at my nearest FKK)[/QUOTE]For me Miruna has been a hit or miss too, but it's within an easy walking distance from Aboborra and Enjoy, so I kinda walk that triangle.

If you are interested in the tall slim dark haired girls, I saw several in Enjoy. Valentina and Hellen particularly come to mind. Not as slim maybe as a famished Romanian, but slim for a Brazilian. Nice attitude and edible, too.

How are things in Germany? Are all-inclusive partytreffs with action in the open still a thing? I enjoyed going to NRW 10-12 years ago and spending a day in each partytreff I could find, but I've read that covid and stupid government got rid of them.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2782354]

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.[/QUOTE]Oh dear, I need to correct myself, the price was showing on Agoda in Thai Baht, as this is the currency I'm using now in Thailand. I was assuming "B" was for Brazilian Real while it was for Thai Baht. My bad. Might go to SP in May after all. Scared of AirBnB though after being left hanging with my suitcases in the street in Faria Lima. Host didn't even bother to warn me the booking was off.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2782500]Visited 2 new-to-me clinicas in the western part of town. Unique Spa and Kin Center.[/QUOTE]Great report, many thanks. I think it is good to let the forum know about alternative locations. I also went to these places on my Sampa trip in summer 2022 and both are worth a visit.

There is a link between Unique and Kin as the people who used to run Kin – Moises and Vanessa – left a while ago and have opened up Unique. Moises and Vanessa are both great and I have always been treated well by them. I have found the people who run ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management.

So why do I go to Kin? – well, Brooklin used to be just down the road until it moved, and there are several highly rated girls who work at Kin – Tiffany (who used to work at Mirunas) and Camilla (who used to work at Brooklin). Both are highly rated on Gpguia and I can testify that Tiffany is well worth it IF you can get her as her time is usually pretty well booked up in advance. I've never been with Camilla but she is a highly rated MILF on Gpguia. My favourite at Kin, and my reason for frequenting, is Helena (who used to be known as Fernanda at Brooklin). Price in July 2022 (without gpguia discount) was 220 reais for an hour. There are also other clinicas in the area. Cancionero is a short walk away the other side of Av. Petroque Junior and Espaco Morumbi is near Shopping Morumbi. These are all walkable from Morumbi or Brooklin metro stations and the area is safe during the working day. However, I rarely find anything at Cancioneiro (since Agatha moved to Mirunas) and nothing at Espaco Morumbi (where the receptionists don't seem very interested in you). I love Brazilian food, but I'm not a Michelin 5-star foodie, so I tend to eat where normal Brazilians eat out. I like to eat at South's Place Churrascaria on Av. Petroque Junior. Last time I was there (summer 2022) it was about 75 reais (minus drinks) which is about a fifth the price of Vento Haragano in Pinheiros (now closed) which cost about 350 reais when I was last there in 2019. Not high-end food but excellent value IMO – also in summer 2022 one of the management staff who walk around to check that everything is ok was slim with a mega-huge rack, which was a bonus!!

I discovered Unique Spa (via Gpguia) last summer. It is a bit of a trek to get to. I took the metro to Brooklin then got a taxi. I went with Mel and, I agree, she is great and well worth the trip out to spend time with. Price in July 2022 (without gpguia discount) was 230 reais for an hour. Moises is also a great host and it looks like he has a good line up of girls there so worth a trip. There's not much else in that area, but the new location for Brooklin is just a few 100 yards down the main road. I went in there, but it was early afternoon and there were few girls and the receptionist was a bit pushy trying to get me to go with one of the few girls there. Maybe it is worth a visit in the early evening when it will be better staffed?

Its always good to let ISGers know about alternative locations to Tangara and the Moema clinicas.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2781832]I get your point, but I think it is reasonable to compare one Latam country vs another, or one major city vs another major city. I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league. Airbnb rates in both cities are pretty much the same, so are Uber rates. High end restaurants are a bit more expensive in SP, but not 2 x. I think most of us compare costs in each developing country when deciding where to go. And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck.

PS. I just looked it up, and the average living costs in Colombia are only 20-30% lower than in Brazil. However, the difference in p4p rates is huge[/QUOTE]It's always reasonable to compare cities particularly on the same continent. However, I don't think I would say SP and Medellin are exactly in the same league. I think Nounce did a good job of pointing out the differences and local prices.

Overall, Sao Paulo is a cosmopolitan city that is approximately six times larger than MDE. Being the focal point of a much, much larger economy gives it far more wealth and energy. While you can find people living well in Colombia and any country, there are enormous upper and middle classes in Sao Paulo. Mexico City might be a better comparison to Sao Paulo.

This leaves out of the discussion of what types of women one is looking for and what types of venues interests one. As far as venues, Sao Paulo does offer a lot of types and levels.

One last note, it would seem to me that on first glimpse foreign tourists impact the Colombian sex market more than Sao Paulo. I'm not sure what that means to overall prices, but it suggests to me that again SP has enough wealth to support a vibrant sex scene without sex tourists. You and others might have a different perception of this dynamic.

Anyhow, these discussions might appear mundane to some but they help newbies determine what is important to them in a destination in relation to their wallet.

It is not necessary to pay that amounts for hotels if you know how to do it the right way.

For Sao Paulo, I often book the hotels directly with them (If they have a rewards program) during the cyberweek in November (big discounts), if I already know when I want to go the following year.

If not possible, I book via [URL]travel-4-less.com[/URL] and can safe often a small fortune (that I can spend then for other expenses).

Use WWVRY as an extra 5% for first booking, but no guarantee. For me it worked (few months ago).

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2782354]During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2782599] I have found the people who run ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management..[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, this should say.

"I have found the people who run KIN ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management. ".

I'm not referring to Unique here. I tried editing the previous message but it won't let me.

As I was talking to an ISG member who asked about the pics I post. Most of them butt oriented. Yeahm I'm a fetishist LOL.

Maybe more than 50% of escorts I've met in Brazil and Colombia agree to a sexy shoot. So, modeling gives them a nice extra for exercising their beauty.

The sport of models is different, it may take a few photo shoots to finally fuck the hottie who is not habitue of boates. For example. We got drunk and fucked with this hottie "patricinha" only at the third photo shoot when I took her to a love motel. She loved Vodka-Laranja as much as I do.

Since then I have shot her 3 more times where we left the city for an entire day until she got a BF she wanted to be loyal. Fortunately she had the idea to introduce another model, the japa next to her on the beach chair with a solid muscle ass! Crazy girl BTW.

So for me, the first encounter is a true investment to open doors.

Note: Girls get nice sun tans, it's summer time down here!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2782354]During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience with my usual go to hotel during the height of covid, hotel cadoro in SP. 39 usd in December 2020!! Today the same room will set you back 93 usd!!

[QUOTE=Nitro2000;2782728]It is not necessary to pay that amounts for hotels if you know how to do it the right way.

For Sao Paulo, I often book the hotels directly with them (If they have a rewards program) during the cyberweek in November (big discounts), if I already know when I want to go the following year.

If not possible, I book via [URL]travel-4-less.com[/URL] and can safe often a small fortune (that I can spend then for other expenses).

Use WWVRY as an extra 5% for first booking, but no guarantee. For me it worked (few months ago).[/QUOTE]Nitro, I have been playing this game a long time and I learned to only book with the hotel sites themselves and a handful of reputable internet booking sites like Expedia, Booking, and Agoda. 90% of the time I get the lowest rate possible although occasionally I see an extremely attractive, low ball, hotel price from some internet outfit that does not have the best reputation or online reviews and you know what? I don't even consider the offer because it is risky and I don't like risky when it comes to my hotel reservations. With direct corporate hotel reservations and with reservations on sites like Expedia et al, I know my reservation will be honored exactly as stated and I know I will get a refund if one is necessary. With these lowball sites I don't know anything.

But I am glad [URL]travel-4-less.com[/URL] worked for you. I checked out their website and they shunted me off to [URL]locktrip.com[/URL]. Now I don't know who these guys are or how reliable they are, or what their track record is, but I played along to see just how low their prices really were. But I hit a dead end at the next step because the locktrip would not show me its hotel prices without my giving them my email address which I did not feel like doing. Stalemate. But like I said, I am aware of several lowball travel websites and I don't do business with them because their overall consumer reviews vary from good to terrible.

What you want to say.

I also prefer sometimes direkt booking, but only when I have a status level there and get some extra % or a coupon code on birthday etc 😁 . But sometimes I have to choose another path, and I will definetly not pay the big ones 10-30% more than necessary. Because you also surely know, that their prices (fees) have to generate a big plus to satisfy their stockholders. 😂.

And yes, on that platform you have to register before you can see the prices, because thei are (in average, not every time of course) so low in comparison to the average travel industry prices, that they are now allowed to show directly (according the so called RateParityAgreement between the hotels and the big portals. If you have heard of that) . E. g in Vegas, in the top notch hotels I saved very very often hundreds of $$ booking with them 😎.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2782842]Nitro, I have been playing this game a long time and I learned to only book with the hotel sites themselves and a handful of reputable internet booking sites like Expedia, Booking, and Agoda. 90% of the time I get the lowest rate possible although occasionally I see an extremely attractive, low ball, hotel price from some internet outfit that does not have the best reputation or online reviews and you know what? I don't even consider the offer because it is risky and I don't like risky when it comes to my hotel reservations. With direct corporate hotel reservations and with reservations on sites like Expedia et al, I know my reservation will be honored exactly as stated and I know I will get a refund if one is necessary. With these lowball sites I don't know anything.

But I am glad [URL]travel-4-less.com[/URL] worked for you. I checked out their website and they shunted me off to [URL]locktrip.com[/URL]. Now I don't know who these guys are or how reliable they are, or what their track record is, but I played along to see just how low their prices really were. But I hit a dead end at the next step because the locktrip would not show me its hotel prices without my giving them my email address which I did not feel like doing. Stalemate. But like I said, I am aware of several lowball travel websites and I don't do business with them because their overall consumer reviews vary from good to terrible.[/QUOTE]

I was mostly visiting the places in Villa Mariana.

Villa Mariana. Centro:

Rua Joinville, 607. Neo Zen Spa: On Fri 12:20 pm, 2 girls rating 6/10, looks age 30. Prices: Tantrica - 300, Thailand (massage with boobs) - 400, Nuru - 500. All hourly prices. Sex. Extra 300, but easily down to 200. They told 5 girls work there, and 3-4 pm is best to visit. Even their cheapest option was expensive for me, and that too with avg girl, so didn't do session.

Avenue Conselheiro Rodrigue Alves, 920: Went on Fri 2 pm. The place has big door outside, and it was closed. I rang the bell, but no body opened.

Avenue Conselheiro Rodrigue Alves, 925: It's opposite to the above place. The whole building is demolished.

Rua Tangara, 200: It's a standard reliable place. 140/30 190/60. 15 girls work every day, rating 6-8/10. Hot water shower. Seems BBBJ is standard, out of 3 sessions, 2 girls did BBBJ.

Villa Mariana. North:

Rua do Parasio, 642: The building is demolished. The corner house is -632, it has camera outside. So, I thought this could be the place, but based on the guy answer from inside, it's not a chica place. The space next to is a big empty space. I. e. -642 building is no longer there.

Rua Vergueiro, 2339: Went on Mon 3:30 pm. 5 girls rating 6/10, looks age 30.90/30 180/ HR. I was asked to come on Friday to see more girls.

Rua Dr Jose de Queiros Aranha, 82: This is a new place not in the maps. On Mon 4 pm, 4 girls, rating 6/10, all looks age 30.100/30,200/60. Rooms are average, with common shower, no hot water.

Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148:15 girls, 5 presented, rating 6-7/10. Other girls were busy or on lunch. 140/30 190/60. 10 am-10 pm, Sun 11 am-9 pm. I was told Fri 4 pm is best time visit. The receptionist guy spoke good english, and he told the owner here is same as Clinica Tangara.

Rua Machado de Assis, 449: It seems the building is going through construction and not being occupied. I saw 3 guys inside, seems to be construction workers. One guy gave me the above address 'Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148'. So, he knows why I was there and since he gave the address, I assumed the building is not occupied.

Av. Guimaraes Passos, 399: A young girl, looks age 25, answered from inside. She told no massagem. Maybe they are discreet and said no to me.

Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao, 147: This seems to be a popular place, I have seen 5 guys in 20 minutes I was there. Hours 11 am-7 pm, Sat noon-6 pm, Closed on Sundays and holidays. 185/60, 275/90. Four hands - 310. I don't understand why this is popular. You rarely get to see the girls in person, only on photos even while you are at the location. Wait time for the girl is like 1-2 hours. I didn't want to risk choosing a girl just based on photos. For eg: Anita looks good on photos, but not when I saw in person. I appreciate if someone could explain why this is a popular place.

Villa Mariana. South:

Rua. Dos Otonis, 541: On Sat 2:50 pm, it was closed. The entrance to 2nd floor has a sign saying it's a hair saloon (barberia).

Rua dos Otonis, 694: On Sat 3 pm, it was closed. I rang / knocked, after some time a man from inside told something in Portuguese. He didn't even open the door, I just heard the voice. My best guess is he said it's closed. So, maybe it is closed on Saturdays. All signs for this being a higher end place. Semi discreet place, parking lot in front, camera at the entrance.

Rua Loefgren, 1438: On Sat 3:30 pm, 1 girl 7/10,3 others were busy. 250/ HR FS, 190/30 FS. I was told half of the girls will be on vacation on Saturdays. When I asked for best time to visit to see more girls, he told me come at 1 pm on Monday (or maybe any weekday). 11 am-9 pm, Sat 11 am-7 pm. He told they are open on alternative Sundays.

Rua Loefgren, 927: Went on Sat 3:45 pm. It was closed. I rang, but no one opened. There is a sign on the side that says 'Vendo'.

Rua Luis Gois, 820: On Sat 4 pm, closed. I rang / knocked, but no one opened. But it's still the same place, since the sign outside lists their whatsapp number which is same one in ISG maps.

Rua Dom ANtonino Galvao, 266: Went on Sat 4:30 pm. Saw 5-7 girls, rating 6-7/10.140/30 190/ HR. A guy I met at Clinica Tangara told that this place, along with Clinica Tangara and 'Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148' are by the same owner. Seems he is right looking at the pricing structure.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2783110]

Rua Tangara, 200:

Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148:15 girls, 5 presented, rating 6-7/10. Other girls were busy or on lunch. 140/30 190/60. 10 am-10 pm, Sun 11 am-9 pm. I was told Fri 4 pm is best time visit. The receptionist guy spoke good english, and he told the owner here is same as Clinica Tangara.

Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao, 147: This seems to be a popular place, I have seen 5 guys in 20 minutes I was there. Hours 11 am-7 pm, Sat noon-6 pm, Closed on Sundays and holidays. 185/60, 275/90. Four hands - 310. I don't understand why this is popular. You rarely get to see the girls in person, only on photos even while you are at the location. Wait time for the girl is like 1-2 hours. I didn't want to risk choosing a girl just based on photos. For eg: Anita looks good on photos, but not when I saw in person. I appreciate if someone could explain why this is a popular place.
.[/QUOTE]148 is clinica Yankin. Lots of Asian guys go here. Yankin and Tangara are the largest and best clinicas in this area IMO, which rivals moema. Daily lineups are 10-20 girls each and these places get busy. I have thought about parking myself between these two clinicas instead of my usual moema.

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=198312[/URL]

147 is clinica kuhunas. Heard of it but never been.

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41216[/URL]

Vila Mariana is also much closer to scandallo so not a bad choice to get a place here.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2783110]I was mostly visiting the places in Villa Mariana.

Villa Mariana.
Rua dos Otonis, 694: On Sat 3 pm, it was closed. I rang / knocked, after some time a man from inside told something in Portuguese. He didn't even open the door, I just heard the voice. My best guess is he said it's closed. So, maybe it is closed on Saturdays. All signs for this being a higher end place. Semi discreet place, parking lot in front, camera at the entrance.
e.[/QUOTE]694 is Oyama which says it's been in business for 50 years. I messaged them a few years ago and this is what they sent me. Sounds like a high end happy ending massage place. So I never tried it. If anybody has. Let us know. It's only on weekdays.

We offer the Relax Massage, which aims to relieve stress, tension and muscle pain. It starts with a relaxing, anti-stress massage, followed by the Thai massage, which is a more sensual massage. The duration is one hour, one hour and ten and the massage costs are $580.00 on the card or are $500.00 in cash (including the masseur's fees) We have a team of 10 masseuses, all trained in massage relaxing and the presentation of them is done through a photo gallery.

Anyone coming to SP in the next 2 weeks? I want to buy a Whoop 4. 0 fitness tracker, which would be sent to an address of your choosing. In return, I'the be happy to give you my perspective living in São Paulo for about 4 months in the last year.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2784567]Anyone coming to SP in the next 2 weeks? I want to buy a Whoop 4. 0 fitness tracker, which would be sent to an address of your choosing. In return, I'the be happy to give you my perspective living in So Paulo for about 4 months in the last year.[/QUOTE]Going to be in São Paulo from Feb 9-12. Can bring it down to you and you can pick it up at Renaissance. PM me if you are interested. Not looking for anything in return.

Freaking me out that São Paulo is not on the first page of recent conversation. And I look and the last post was three days ago. So odd what's up here? No one having sex? Tired of debating clinica vs boate? Guys stopped over paying? 😂.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2785496]Freaking me out that So Paulo is not on the first page of recent conversation. And I look and the last post was three days ago. So odd what's up here? No one having sex? Tired of debating clinica vs boate? Guys stopped over paying? 😂.[/QUOTE]Very few of us travel down there. Too far and girls are too expensive compared to other latin countries. Very few speak Porto. Not much to do in the city, besides dining out and fucking.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2785496]Freaking me out that So Paulo is not on the first page of recent conversation. And I look and the last post was three days ago. So odd what's up here? No one having sex? Tired of debating clinica vs boate? Guys stopped over paying?.[/QUOTE]I think we were all taking in the positive glow from Anaggie's offer to help out a fellow member. That's what makes this forum a cool fellowship of men.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785534]Very few of us travel down there. Too far and girls are too expensive compared to other latin countries. Very few speak Porto. Not much to do in the city, besides dining out and fucking.[/QUOTE]My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785534]Very few of us travel down there. Too far and girls are too expensive compared to other latin countries. Very few speak Porto. Not much to do in the city, besides dining out and fucking.[/QUOTE]I wish I would have known this before I booked my trip LOL. I did get the impression that there is not much to do in Sao Paulo besides dining and fucking. Has anyone visited the casinos or poker rooms there? I see they have a casino that has Texas hold' them and I'd like to play if they do.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2785555]My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too![/QUOTE]Don't worry about the scene being ruined. Because it caters to locals mostly. And high costs will prevent the majority of foreign punters from visiting SP.

I don't understand your sarcasm, especially about Cuba, where prostitution is illegal and options are limited. All the places you mentioned are not even in Latin America, you better brush up your geography.

You're wrong about Cuba. Prostitution is not illegal there.

Other than Thailand, what countries were listed that is not in Latin America?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785597]Don't worry about the scene being ruined. Because it caters to locals mostly. And high costs will prevent the majority of foreign punters from visiting SP.

I don't understand your sarcasm, especially about Cuba, where prostitution is illegal and options are limited. All the places you mentioned are not even in Latin America, you better brush up your geography.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2785555]My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too![/QUOTE]Don't forget the crime bro! The crime! Don't forget the crime! It's too dangerous down there! Don't go why'all! Don't go! Go to other places with less crime that cost way less and you will have a great vacay! True that!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2785555]My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too![/QUOTE]Hahaha. Not a chance. I'm only bummed I have to wait until November to get down there!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785597]Don't worry about the scene being ruined. Because it caters to locals mostly. And high costs will prevent the majority of foreign punters from visiting SP.

I don't understand your sarcasm, especially about Cuba, where prostitution is illegal and options are limited. All the places you mentioned are not even in Latin America, you better brush up your geography.[/QUOTE]I'll also add that most people when they do travel to Brazil, gravitate toward Rio. Also, the language barrier and the cost of a flight from the USA Slows a lot of Americans down from venturing there. Can't speak for other countries, but the focus for USA Travelers is more on Colombia, DR, and Mexico.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2785711]I'll also add that most people when they do travel to Brazil, gravitate toward Rio. Also, the language barrier and the cost of a flight from the USA Slows a lot of Americans down from venturing there. Can't speak for other countries, but the focus for USA Travelers is more on Colombia, DR, and Mexico.[/QUOTE]Exactly. That was my point. Also, it seems like the mongers who travel to SP are weekend warriors. Or travel for there for work for a few days. I doubt one will visit Scandallo on a daily basis if one lives in SP or stays there for extended periods of time. SP is a huge city, and I'm sure there are expats living there, but very few, compared to cities like CDMX, Bogota, etc.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785721]Exactly. That was my point. Also, it seems like the mongers who travel to SP are weekend warriors. Or travel for there for work for a few days. I doubt one will visit Scandallo on a daily basis if one lives in SP or stays there for extended periods of time. SP is a huge city, and I'm sure there are expats living there, but very few, compared to cities like CDMX, Bogota, etc.[/QUOTE]What gives you the impression that there are few expats living in São Paulo, quite contrary, it is full of expats because many Latam Headquarters are now based there for obvious reasons, not to mention the significant size of the Brazilian market. There are expats from all over the world and with large communities, quite easy to spot, if you mingle in the right place.

Was in SP earlier in January, too much rain messed up a few episodes, but otherwise all was great as always.

My favorite on this trip was Livia from Anavrin spa, and is the only one I repeated with. Her sensual GFE style and BJ skill fits my needs very well.

My least favorite was Bia from Brooklin, lazy ass rushed service. And she had the audacity to ask for a tip, never experienced such mediocrity in SP.

Honorable mention goes to Sofia from Miruna (also met her at Brooklin under the same name). Very hot and well meaning, but can't take dick for shit. What elevated her was when she specifically requested me to let her know when I was close, she wanted the load in her mouth. She took it all with a smile and swallowed. I regretted not repeating with her at Brooklin and instead taking a chance on the Bia above.

A freelancer I fully endorse is Camila Pacheco, search on photoacompanhantes, or here ([URL]https://garotacomlocal.com/acompanhante/camila-pacheco/[/URL]). Delivered a rock solid performance, great skill, enthusiasm, and stamina. Also professional and easy to schedule with.

Freelancer honorable mention goes to Aline Garcia ([URL]https://garotacomlocal.com/acompanhante/aline-garcia-2/[/URL]). Also professional and a good performer.

Happy mongering my friends!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785721]Exactly. That was my point. Also, it seems like the mongers who travel to SP are weekend warriors.[/QUOTE]That would be me. Full blown weekend warrior!!

[QUOTE=GigiBuffon;2785870]What gives you the impression that there are few expats living in So Paulo, quite contrary, it is full of expats because many Latam Headquarters are now based there for obvious reasons, not to mention the significant size of the Brazilian market. There are expats from all over the world and with large communities, quite easy to spot, if you mingle in the right place.[/QUOTE]It is relatively speaking. It feels like you see expats or gringos everywhere in Medellin. There are clubs that are full of gringos. You almost can't not see a gringo when you go to one of the nicer restaurants there, and often they are with a call girl.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786019]It is relatively speaking. It feels like you see expats or gringos everywhere in Medellin. There are clubs that are full of gringos. You almost can't not see a gringo when you go to one of the nicer restaurants there, and often they are with a call girl.[/QUOTE]Medellin is a much, much, much smaller place. So, it's easier to see a concentration of gringos, making it seemingly appear that more gringos are there. Sampa has a population that's roughly 4 times the size of Medellin's and is far, far, far more spread out, making it harder to "see the gringos" in any kind of concentration, thus making it appear that perhaps not as many are there as in Medellin. And when I say "gringo", I don't mean just Americans but foreigners in general.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2786031]Medellin is a much, much, much smaller place...[/QUOTE]The gringos in Gusto alone on a good night will be more than all gringos in all boates in SP combined. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786019]It is relatively speaking. It feels like you see expats or gringos everywhere in Medellin. There are clubs that are full of gringos. You almost can't not see a gringo when you go to one of the nicer restaurants there, and often they are with a call girl.[/QUOTE]I have heard the term Gringo Gulch to describe areas heavily concentrated with foreigners. I believe the term is borrowed from Mexico specifically Puerto Vallarta. I have heard it used in various Latin American destinations.

The one thing I can say from my experience is that I do not know if and where a Gringo Gulch exists in Sao Paulo. In Rio, it's pretty obvious it is Copacabana.

I've been here for 2 weeks and it mostly felt like August in Europe. My two favorites from Scandallo are on vacation. My favorite sugar baby is in Florida, trying to get a student visa, but she says she'll be back after it stops raining. There has been some short periods of intense rain at night, but nothing to write home about. Sugar dating sites have been weak, soft response rates, although admittedly I've been getting pickier too. Basically it feels like everyone's checked out on vacation.

I've had sex maybe twice a week until today, and I'm cool with that due to some video games and work keeping my attention. I've been prioritizing sleeping well, plus relationships which can be long term, so Scandallo is less appealing. I'm thinking of maybe relocating to Rio for next trip as that seems more chill and may reduce my stress levels even further.

I had an interesting date lined up for today, super fit 25 year old student with gorgeous face but needs-implants natural chest. She wanted 500 BRL which is unreal for someone of this caliber. I told her 600 plus Uber. She shows up, and is absolutely stunning. She models and her gym subscription is free as long as she posts to her Instagram. When the clothes came off, it was very clear why. Maybe it was the natural chest, but she actually initiated the sex (which I usually don't like) but it was damn good, as per my standard of excellence, twice in one hour. As I've found to be typical, the northerners (closer to the equator) are more affectionate than the southerners. She's been São Paulo for 1 week (recently moved from some small city in Brazil's northeast. Hoping to find someone to help her with rent and other necessities, she was overjoyed with the 1 k I ended up giving her. This is what a jackpot looks like, she's a keeper and a strong contender for monthly allowance (maybe even some breast implants).

Bonus: I recently discovered Gboard, a keyboard which can be downloaded and replace the standard iPhone keyboard. It autocorrects in a non-dumb way across 3 languages (huge improvement over Apple default) and even has Google translate built in. The latter could work better but it still feels like a time saver.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786146]The gringos in Gusto alone on a good night will be more than all gringos in all boates in SP combined. LOL.[/QUOTE]Gusto had more ugly women per sq foot than any brothel I ever been. Colombia is average at best. It's the best for price but I bored with it pretty quick. If you are young and broke then Medellin is your spot. If you have money Rio is the place.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2786526]Gusto had more ugly women per sq foot than any brothel I ever been. Colombia is average at best. It's the best for price but I bored with it pretty quick. If you are young and broke then Medellin is your spot. If you have money Rio is the place.[/QUOTE]Those posts weren't about women.

Colombia is above average for me. I spent a substantial amount of time living there and never got bored because there are vast number of them relatively speaking. I can order online and they show up at my door. We entertain and then I go to sleep. Life is not bad. Don't tell me that you don't get messages like this daily. The only thing I might be bored with is their look is not as diverse as Brazil.

It does take some effort over time. Short trip Brazil is much better.

I am in Brazil now. This girl said this to me after I bought her a birthday present and had sex. We spent more than 4 hours together. Many mongers could do this everyday in Medellin, but it is not easily accessible in Brazil for me at least.

Hmmm. For me it has been the opposite. Girls from the south for me has always been a lot more affectionate than the north even though everyone else says different.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2786466]I've been here for 2 weeks and it mostly felt like August in Europe. My two favorites from Scandallo are on vacation. My favorite sugar baby is in Florida, trying to get a student visa, but she says she'll be back after it stops raining. There has been some short periods of intense rain at night, but nothing to write home about. Sugar dating sites have been weak, soft response rates, although admittedly I've been getting pickier too. Basically it feels like everyone's checked out on vacation.

I've had sex maybe twice a week until today, and I'm cool with that due to some video games and work keeping my attention. I've been prioritizing sleeping well, plus relationships which can be long term, so Scandallo is less appealing. I'm thinking of maybe relocating to Rio for next trip as that seems more chill and may reduce my stress levels even further.

I had an interesting date lined up for today, super fit 25 year old student with gorgeous face but needs-implants natural chest. She wanted 500 BRL which is unreal for someone of this caliber. I told her 600 plus Uber. She shows up, and is absolutely stunning. She models and her gym subscription is free as long as she posts to her Instagram. When the clothes came off, it was very clear why. Maybe it was the natural chest, but she actually initiated the sex (which I usually don't like) but it was damn good, as per my standard of excellence, twice in one hour. As I've found to be typical, the northerners (closer to the equator) are more affectionate than the southerners. She's been So Paulo for 1 week (recently moved from some small city in Brazil's northeast. Hoping to find someone to help her with rent and other necessities, she was overjoyed with the 1 k I ended up giving her. This is what a jackpot looks like, she's a keeper and a strong contender for monthly allowance (maybe even some breast implants).

Bonus: I recently discovered Gboard, a keyboard which can be downloaded and replace the standard iPhone keyboard. It autocorrects in a non-dumb way across 3 languages (huge improvement over Apple default) and even has Google translate built in. The latter could work better but it still feels like a time saver.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2785688]Don't forget the crime bro! The crime! Don't forget the crime! It's too dangerous down there! Don't go why'all! Don't go! Go to other places with less crime that cost way less and you will have a great vacay! True that![/QUOTE]Sorry this is late but I had to jump on the band wagon. I was in Sao Paulo for two weeks. It rained almost every day. And it was so cold I had to use a hair dryer to warm up because there is no heat in the hotels. Definitely not the place to go.

Just arrived in Sao Paulo for the first time, plan to go to Casarao tonight.

If anyone wants to hang out and hit the clinicas etc, pm me.

Wow was really impressed with Casarao.

Was worried as I went early at 10.30 as I wanted an early night and was expecting the place to be empty.

To my pleasant surprise there was quite a few girls and at least 4 I'd give 8 out of 10, maybe I got lucky or have low standards though.

Picked one of the 8's, better looking than any girl I've seen at 4 x 4 on my trip to Rio and had a decent session in the short time hotel next to it. Would have been better if I spoke more Portuguese, so that's on me.

As someone who prefers the big city to the beach, so far I'm really liking Sao Paulo and I've barely seen much of it. Think if I lived here I'd be obese though, so many sweet foods I see that look good.

Plan on going to one or two Clinicas in Moema tomorrow.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2787276]..It rained almost every day. And it was so cold I had to use a hair dryer to warm up because there is no heat in the hotels...[/QUOTE]It's similar to Medellin, raining almost everyday. For me, it's only cold occasionally but not always. There was another member reporting the weather was nice during the same period so our perception can be quite different.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2787821]Wow was really impressed with Casarao.

Was worried as I went early at 10.30 as I wanted an early night and was expecting the place to be empty.

To my pleasant surprise there was quite a few girls and at least 4 I'd give 8 out of 10, maybe I got lucky or have low standards though.

Picked one of the 8's, better looking than any girl I've seen at 4 x 4 on my trip to Rio and had a decent session in the short time hotel next to it. Would have been better if I spoke more Portuguese, so that's on me.

As someone who prefers the big city to the beach, so far I'm really liking Sao Paulo and I've barely seen much of it. Think if I lived here I'd be obese though, so many sweet foods I see that look good.

Plan on going to one or two Clinicas in Moema tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this update. I will be there in March and looking forward to the experience. I would love to find an indy-mature provider in SP at some point. I have been on a MILF / gilf kick in the States lately and haven't been disappointed in how I have been treated.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2787821]Wow was really impressed with Casarao.[/QUOTE]I will second the Wow. I was there also last night and by 1 am it was packed. 1st time back in Sampa since 2014 and will be visiting again in the coming days. Unfortunately at 64, I have multiple performance issues, so I would be wasting my money on a hook up. But I still had a blast buying a few drinks and chatting up some real beauties.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2787276]Sorry this is late but I had to jump on the band wagon. I was in Sao Paulo for two weeks. It rained almost every day. And it was so cold I had to use a hair dryer to warm up because there is no heat in the hotels. Definitely not the place to go.[/QUOTE]If you are using a hair dryer to stay warm, you are doing Brazil wrong. (wink).

(P.S.- I totally got what you were doing with your post WW. LOL.

Today I went to try a clinica, I again went early as I had trouble sleeping due to jet lag. Tried Prime first and got there about 11.30 I think. There was only three girls there and I would have definitely fucked two of them and the third wasn't bad at all. I took Gabriella but Marcella was the other hot one. Paid I think 170 or maybe 190, can't remember for 30 minutes and got good service, will definitely return. Going to try Abbobora tomorrow.

Are the clinicas all open on weekends?

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2788062]Are the clinicas all open on weekends?[/QUOTE]Most are open on Saturday. About less than half open on Sunday.

Hey all,

I'm visiting Brazil for the first time starting this weekend and curious where I can watch the Superbowl and have some fun with ladies. Any recommendations? I'm looking at staying in Moema.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2788104]Most are open on Saturday. About less than half open on Sunday.[/QUOTE]Brilliant, thanks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2787870]It's similar to Medellin, raining almost everyday. For me, it's only cold occasionally but not always. There was another member reporting the weather was nice during the same period so our perception can be quite different.[/QUOTE]First off, it doesn't rain almost everyday in Medellin. Colombia does get a lot of rain towards the end of the year, but we are well past their rainy season. I'm actually in Medellin right now, and we got a light rain yesterday, but it is as always, spring-like weather. And to prove that I'm not just talking out of my ass, I am attaching my latest passport stamps. I arrived here this past Monday.

As for Sao Paulo, I have a romantic interest there who reports that it has indeed been rainy, as well as being quite warm (it's summer down there south of the equator) with an uncomfortable level of humidity. But, you can't confuse that for being cold, can you? Perception, my ass.

Can anyone share a hotel with stable wifi? I need to work remote and would prefer the area of Moema.

Thanks!

Your box is full. You need to clear some space bro.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2788126]First off, it doesn't rain almost everyday in Medellin. Colombia does get a lot of rain towards the end of the year, but we are well past their rainy season. I'm actually in Medellin right now, and we got a light rain yesterday, but it is as always, spring-like weather. And to prove that I'm not just talking out of my ass, I am attaching my latest passport stamps. I arrived here this past Monday.

As for Sao Paulo, I have a romantic interest there who reports that it has indeed been rainy, as well as being quite warm (it's summer down there south of the equator) with an uncomfortable level of humidity. But, you can't confuse that for being cold, can you? Perception, my ass.[/QUOTE]You are funny. I stated my personal experience. You are proving a point that you are not in Sao Paulo and talking about things that you don't have actual experience. 😂.

Scandallo and Bomboa for the night clubs, but being Sunday, it may be a slow night.

If you want to share with civilians. Vila Madalena and Pinheiros you'll find dozens of bars and people. I like it much more than Rua Augusta.

Both have metro stations a few blocks away on the yellow line.

[QUOTE=JerkMcGerk;2788108]Hey all,

I'm visiting Brazil for the first time starting this weekend and curious where I can watch the Superbowl and have some fun with ladies. Any recommendations? I'm looking at staying in Moema.[/QUOTE]

Work related trip, not as much as I would have liked to explore. Agree with all that this is heaven on earth for us mongers.

Casarao, Monday night.

First, make sure you have cash earlier in the day. Past 11, all bank ATMs are closed, as well as, half the gas stations. After driving around in a cab for almost an hour, found a shell gas station that had an ATM. Had plans to meet up with another fellow ISG'er at Bomboa, but since it was 1 am and I was closer to Casarao, went there instead. R50 entry fee. Small place, front of the house had a great strip show on the pole within the first 15 minutes of arriving. There were several 8's and 9's and bunch of 6-7's. After a while noticed this bespectacled 20 year old who kept twitching her lips. A-naturals and quite fit. Went up and she greeted with a smile. She wanted to go to the back room for a chat and I wanted a drink. First mistake of the night, I offered her a drink. She pulled out her red card and I quickly understood my mistake. Told me she is a makeup artist in a mall (believable). Speaking with the translator app was no problem at all.

She offered 400 room next door and 1000 to come to the hotel. I should have gone with the room next door offer, but I wanted to watch her face (and the room could have dim, red light). Negotiated down to 700 and we went back to the hotel.

Only bad part. No BBBJ. I should have clarified before leaving Casarao. She was probably waiting around for second shot, but I was too tired at 4. 30 for another.

Bar tab at Casarao was 250 and I knew the lady drinks made it so.

Will definitely go back to Casarao on my next trip. Try girls at rooms next door first (cost 150) before bringing anyone back to the hotel.

Scandallo, Wed night .

About 1/3 full. This is an amazing place. The dining room, bars are just worth the tab. Got flashed thrice as I was hanging around the outside bar around midnight. 5 more came and gave a kiss. Finally, Rafaela comes over for a chat. Speaks good English and I let her stay. Overall great body and a cute face. Take her upstairs for a decent time for 800 (if I remember right or was it 700). Only problem the botched up boob job. The surgeon should be in front of a firing squad. Rafaela was quite entertaining with the dancing and singing to the tunes of the room. Yet another sleepless night as I leave around 4 am.

Moema Prime, Thu afternoon.

No signs, easy to miss, walked passed it once. This was the best part of the trip. Daylight, gorgeous 5'8" that Ana is. Great participation, all for R250. Got her number and next time will ask her to visit me in my place. Someone needs to train her a bit on the massage skills, but I wasn't there for a massage, anyway. The others in the line up didn't really float my boat.

Thanks again for the kind members who keep this lively and your tips and suggestions helped massively in navigating this city for a noob.

Also, went to this Samba school one of the nights. Amazing experience, I can only imagine what carnival must be if this were the scene at the school. I am sure pickups were available, but didn't try as I was with friends.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2733682]The Renaissance is very girl friendly and there are girls working at the lobby bar in the evenings till it closes. But I wouldn't recommend trying to hook up with them. They charge absurd rates.[/QUOTE]Do you need a room key to go up the elevator? Last thing I need is running into a co-worker meeting a girl in the lobby to bring up.

[QUOTE=LvHobby;2788360]Do you need a room key to go up the elevator? Last thing I need is running into a co-worker meeting a girl in the lobby to bring up.[/QUOTE]Yes. But you can let the front desk know she is coming beforehand. She just goes to the front desk with the room number, registers and they give her a key to the room. Just remember to cancel her access when you are done. I do this all the time so I don't have to go down and meet them and come back up.

Met up with two other BMs today at Yankin. There was a decent selection but me and one of the BMs decided to stretch our legs and walk to Tangara to check it out.

Nothing stood out there, talent wasn't as good as Yankin, so we decided to check out a place just up the road called Sharon.

This was an upmarket places with prices to match. It was 350 for massage and happy ending for an hour and an extra 200 k for sex.

The girls looked great in pictures on the tablet they had but we were pleasantly surprised when they offered us a presentation.

The quality of women was very high with a few stunners but neither of us took anyone.

We then decided to try Yankin again and I ended up taking a really cute mixed race girl with glasses called Fernanda. Was a good but not great session as she didn't kiss with tongues but everything else was good. There was one really beautiful girl called Camilla there but she was busy and I couldn't be bothered waiting.

I really liked Yankin, good line up, great prices, friendly staff and nice bar area to hang out.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2788062]Are the clinicas all open on weekends?[/QUOTE]All open on Saturdays. If you are in Moema area, Prime, Miruna, and Indy are the ones I know open on Sundays. Closer to Paulista you have Tangara, Anavrin, and a few others I have sessioned in on Sundays.

My experience is that selection tends to be thin and demand high on Sundays.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2787968]If you are using a hair dryer to stay warm, you are doing Brazil wrong. (wink).

(P.S.- I totally got what you were doing with your post WW. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL Glad it was not lost. I do appreciate your concern for my welfare while in SP. Of course any suggestions or actual help in making sure I am never cold or even chilly would be accepted.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2788676]All open on Saturdays. If you are in Moema area, Prime, Miruna, and Indy are the ones I know open on Sundays. Closer to Paulista you have Tangara, Anavrin, and a few others I have sessioned in on Sundays.

My experience is that selection tends to be thin and demand high on Sundays.[/QUOTE]Brilliant, thanks. Will try a few later and report back.

Arrived Thursday around 330 pm to the Renaissance. Was upgraded to a nice suite so that was a good surprise. Handed over the items that another monger had asked to be bought down.

My plan was to spend the weekend with the girl from Scandello that I had the last time I was down here. During the last meeting, she said she had a friend who she really enjoyed being with and vice versa. So we discussed it over the past few months and I told her that I didn't want a third girl who just sat on the sidelines and took turns. Either she was all in or not at all. Her friend was a tall blonde with a nice tight body. She met my girl at Scandello as a client and she works with her every once in a while when a client requests it.

The blonde came over before my girl did and we talked for a while together over a drink and I got to know her better. She is in her final semester of architecture. The Scandello girl comes over a bit later and it was like we hadn't missed a beat.

Off to dinner and then drinks at a bar where both girls started becoming more touchy and snuggly with me and between themselves. During the ride home, they are all over each other and I know this is going to be good. In the room, we get hot and heavy and are all over each other. The deal between us was all inclusive and all BB. So, I was finally able to check off a bucket list item switch between two girls in the same session. All of us had gotten tested before meeting. After a while of us going at it with each other, I was able to CIP off the Scandello girl. This is what we end up doing for the next two days at night after a few drinks at local bars.

In the mornings before breakfast, the girl who sleeps next to me makes sure that I get a pop off before I get in the shower. The Scandello girl chooses to put it her ass in the mornings. Such a great feeling to wake up to!!

After lunch, we would come back to the hotel to rest and it would usually end up with one or the other getting a nice load in them before taking a nap and resting up for the evening.

These two kept me well amused all weekend with good conversation and the all inclusive GFE. I treated them as if they are GF's and they reciprocated appropriately.

Restaurants I tried this time around:

Leggero Pizzeria Napoletana excellent pizza. My go to pizzeria.

Thaitai their pastel do camarao is not to be missed. Food is well spiced and has lots of flavor.

The. O. M haven't eaten here since 2019 and it was a great meal.

Beefbar pretty good food. I think the best thing was the KFC chicken fried in beef tallow with sichuan peppers. They had some good drinks.

Coco Bambu overrated and wouldn't do it again.

Cantina do Piero il Vero good Italian food. Right across the street from the hotel.

Bars we went to:

G&T cool bar to sit and talk and great drinks.

Tatu Bola neighborhood hangout close to beefbar with live music. Drink weren't that great.

Bar Astor this had some really good drinks and a happening vibe.

In all, a great weekend. I will be seeing the Scandello girl in Dubai in March and she isn't going to charge for her time in Dubai. Paid for her flight ticket and that is all she wanted. Looking forward to that in March.

Back to So Paulo end of April so that should be fun.

Forgot to add — changed new USD 100's for 5. 20 at Seattle Tourismo on Friday morning. It was a 20 min walk from the hotel.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2788887]

Restaurants I tried this time around:

Leggero Pizzeria Napoletana excellent pizza. My go to pizzeria.

Thaitai their pastel do camarao is not to be missed. Food is well spiced and has lots of flavor.

The. O. M haven't eaten here since 2019 and it was a great meal.

Beefbar pretty good food. I think the best thing was the KFC chicken fried in beef tallow with sichuan peppers. They had some good drinks.

Coco Bambu overrated and wouldn't do it again.

Cantina do Piero il Vero good Italian food. Right across the street from the hotel.

Bars we went to:

G&T cool bar to sit and talk and great drinks.

Tatu Bola neighborhood hangout close to beefbar with live music. Drink weren't that great.

Bar Astor this had some really good drinks and a happening vibe.

In all, a great weekend. I will be seeing the Scandello girl in Dubai in March and she isn't going to charge for her time in Dubai. Paid for her flight ticket and that is all she wanted. Looking forward to that in March.

Back to So Paulo end of April so that should be fun.[/QUOTE]I really appreciate your reports / contributions to the forum, and I especially like the Restaurant and Bar recommendations.

I look forward to reading your next report.

Also, I like your line / quote in the Rio Thread:

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2788794] I am in a position in my life where I don't need to calculate a cost per fuck. End of story. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2789030]I really appreciate your reports / contributions to the forum, and I especially like the Restaurant and Bar recommendations.

I look forward to reading your next report.

Also, I like your line / quote in the Rio Thread:[/QUOTE]Thanks. I figure mongers still got to eat and drink. Might as well recommend places for people to enjoy their time off.

Rio forum — it has now become a Wal-Mart for mongering.

Last night I went to Casarao again and found another hot girl. She was a really pretty morena with a great ass.

Went to Abbobora today and wow, I love that place.

There was over 10 girls in the presentation and I thought everyone was hot except 1 of them. Wanted a stunner called Pernilla but the guy who arrived before me took her so I choose a really cute petite morena called Megan. Had a great time with her.

I was checking pics sent by one brunette I fucked last December from Bomboa.

It seems the pics were made by some "long hair" client from the Netherlands.

Now I wonder how she saved my phone number LOL.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2789106]Thanks. I figure mongers still got to eat and drink. Might as well recommend places for people to enjoy their time off....[/QUOTE]To add to your post that is based on my personal observation, I think you can rarely go wrong with Pizza or Italian food in general in Sao Paulo because the large Italian population, especially around the area you are staying that there is a huge Italian neighborhood.

Pastel is like a food stable in Sao Paulo or maybe Brazil, you pretty much can get reasonable high quality ones almost everywhere. There is a chain store called Maria da Pastel that is good but I always prefer the street vendors. This is one of the stores that kind of stay open during new year. I said kind of because they are open for take out only during new year. I walked to the store and ordered it directly.

Surprisingly, there are some decent Thai food in Sao Paulo. I think you probably found one of them.

Coco Bambu is very Brazilian. I think if one likes Brazilian style seafood stew that is creamy, dense, or rich, then you may like this place. It is not cheap but often the portion is for a group so the price will always appear to be much higher. Interestingly, there are many restaurants in Brazil that serve dishes for group so the quantity is large. Also, I think the menu of this chain is different for different locations or regions so I think it is worth a try if you know what you like.

Returning to SP after a looong absence next month with a friend. Could someone please provide an update on GF hotels near Ibirapuera Park since that's close to some casas and clinicas. Not necessarily looking for a 5-star hotel but a nice very GF hotel.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Obrigado.

Yesterday I went to the '7th best restaurant in the world' A Casa the Porco' in Republica. It was weird going to a posh restaurant in a sketchy area, it felt totally out of place. Whilst I did enjoy the meal I didn't think it was anything special and not worth what I paid for it.

Afterwards I went to Miruna and had a good session with English speaking Clara.

Today I went back to Abbobora (great line up again) and choose one of their ruivas called Louisa as I have a thing for red heads and haven't had one in years. I enjoyed the session, especially the blow job she gave with lots of eye contact. Loved her red landing strip pubes as well, so sexy.

Thinking about going to the blocco party in Bixigia as I've heard it's usually one of the best. Has anyone been to a blocco there or anywhere else they can recommend?

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2789899]Yesterday I went to the '7th best restaurant in the world' A Casa the Porco' in Republica. It was weird going to a posh restaurant in a sketchy area, it felt totally out of place. Whilst I did enjoy the meal I didn't think it was anything special and not worth what I paid for it...[/QUOTE]I don't think it is that good personally. If you don't want to wait, you can order sandwich to go from the window. It is a very liberal area. It is not really a sketchy area but you do need to watch out people on the bicycle. There are many good restaurants and bars around the same area

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2789729]Returning to SP after a looong absence next month with a friend. Could someone please provide an update on GF hotels near Ibirapuera Park since that's close to some casas and clinicas. Not necessarily looking for a 5-star hotel but a nice very GF hotel.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Obrigado.[/QUOTE]I'm staying at an IHG hotel, Staybridge Suites. Have not tested it, but I asked the bell boy if there was a problem bringing guests up to my room. He's answer was No.

I'm staying in the 29th floor with fantastic views.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2789729]Returning to SP after a looong absence next month with a friend. Could someone please provide an update on GF hotels near Ibirapuera Park since that's close to some casas and clinicas. Not necessarily looking for a 5-star hotel but a nice very GF hotel.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Obrigado.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at the Marriott Executive Apartments. It is not too far of a walk from Ibirapuera Park. I only took one girl at a time but took different ones on different days. They did not seem to have any problems. There is a pharmacy next door that has pretty good prices on stuff we use.

You can order drinks to the short time rooms at Casarao but I don't remember whether such a thing is possible or allowed at clinicas. I only remember they give you free coffee.

I'd feel safer partying in my own bubble during the day in broad daylight than late at night amid the turmoil and sketchiness of Rua Augusta venues.

[QUOTE=XXL;2789978]You can order drinks to the short time rooms at Casarao but I don't remember whether such a thing is possible or allowed at clinicas. I only remember they give you free coffee.

I'd feel safer partying in my own bubble during the day in broad daylight than late at night amid the turmoil and sketchiness of Rua Augusta venues.[/QUOTE]Clinicas sell drinks that I'm sure you can take to room. Generally, while waiting for line up or just hanging around usually cerveja (s) are offered and depending on the level of clinica mixed drinks are available for purchase.

As far as parting at Casarao or any Boate or any drinking establishment [b] Don't drink beyond your capacity and always maintain situational awareness[/b], if not no matter where you are on earth you could make yourself a potential target(victim) of crime. So, if you really want to party and "let loose" don't walk Rua Augusta just take Uber straight from establishment to your hotel. I have never felt walking Rua Augusta to be unsafe, but I walk around with my head on a swivel and maintain situational awareness at all times.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2789987]

As far as parting at Casarao or any Boate or any drinking establishment [b] Don't drink beyond your capacity and always maintain situational awareness[/b], if not no matter where you are on earth you could make yourself a potential target(victim) of crime. So, if you really want to party and "let loose" don't walk Rua Augusta just take Uber straight from establishment to your hotel. I have never felt walking Rua Augusta to be unsafe, but I walk around with my head on a swivel and maintain situational awareness at all times.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the Casarao doorman always waved me back into the doorframe whenever I stood in the middle of the sidewalk monitoring the Uber on my Samsung Z-fold, a prey to snatcher thieves.

The problem with Casarao is also that sessioning involves first going out into the street in order to check into a room next door. Can get hasardous if the girls I talk to or session notice I don't have all my wits about me.

Less a problem with Clinica girls as these are employed by the clinica.

[QUOTE=XXL;2789992]Yeah, the Casarao doorman always scolded and waved me back into the doorframe every time I was standing in the middle of the sidewalk monitoring the Uber on my Samsung Z-fold, a prey to phone snatchers.

[b]The problem with Casarao is also that sessioning involves first going out into the street in order to check into a room next door. Can get hasardous if the girls I talk to or session notice I don't have all my wits about me.[/b]

Less a problem with Clinica girls as these are employed by the clinica.[/QUOTE]Yea, I see your dilemma with Casarao. Thats why true in-house (rooms) boates / establishments like [url=https://youtu.be/FdhYePsTaTk]Scandallo[/url] are the better (although more expensive) option where you can really have "Fun."

[QUOTE=XXL;2789978]You can order drinks to the short time rooms at Casarao but I don't remember whether such a thing is possible or allowed at clinicas. I only remember they give you free coffee.

I'd feel safer partying in my own bubble during the day in broad daylight than late at night amid the turmoil and sketchiness of Rua Augusta venues.[/QUOTE]Tangara and friends 57 have a bar and lounge area where guys hang out. Many of the other clinicas sell alcohol also but have less guys hanging around. The high end clinicas have bars that resembles hotel bars.

[QUOTE=XXL;2789992]Yeah, the Casarao doorman always waved me back into the doorframe whenever I stood in the middle of the sidewalk monitoring the Uber on my Samsung Z-fold, a prey to snatcher thieves.

The problem with Casarao is also that sessioning involves first going out into the street in order to check into a room next door. Can get hasardous if the girls I talk to or session notice I don't have all my wits about me.

Less a problem with Clinica girls as these are employed by the clinica.[/QUOTE]The distance from casarao to the hotel is like 25 feet. Personally I have not felt unsafe with any girls in SP even when drunk. I also haven't heard of any stories of guys being robbed or drugged or taken advantage of by girls in SP. Of course guys should take the standard precautions with any girl you just met.

I'm staying behind the MASP and walked up and down Rua Augusta late at night numerous times and never felt unsafe. I definitely wouldn't feel you safe between Casarao and the short time hotel.

[QUOTE=XXL;2789978]You can order drinks to the short time rooms at Casarao but I don't remember whether such a thing is possible or allowed at clinicas. I only remember they give you free coffee.

I'd feel safer partying in my own bubble during the day in broad daylight than late at night amid the turmoil and sketchiness of Rua Augusta venues.[/QUOTE]In most places I have gone, you get a free beer (Miruna, Kin, Enjoy), but I think if you pay, you get anything you want to have. At Brooklin, where I used to spend many hours, I got as much whisky as I wanted without paying. Sometimes after a party, some of the girls took me back to my hotel in her car to make sure I was safe. At Tangara the guy went to get me beer from the outside, when I gave him money.

What's everyone's take on two guys walking ten minutes after dark in the Moema clinicas area. Like from our hotel to 57 Friends House. It seems silly to grab an uber for such a short walk. But I also don't want to be stupid. Never stayed in this part of the city before. So advice welcome. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2790118]What's everyone's take on two guys walking ten minutes after dark in the Moema clinicas area. Like from our hotel to 57 Friends House. It seems silly to grab an uber for such a short walk. But I also don't want to be stupid. Never stayed in this part of the city before. So advice welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Don't know about anybody else but I've always stayed in Moema and felt perfectly safe walking around at all times of day and night.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2790118]What's everyone's take on two guys walking ten minutes after dark in the Moema clinicas area. Like from our hotel to 57 Friends House. It seems silly to grab an uber for such a short walk. But I also don't want to be stupid. Never stayed in this part of the city before. So advice welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I walk alone in that area after dark without any concerns. There are a lot of bars near 57 friends house. With 2 men walking together, there is even less concern.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2790118]What's everyone's take on two guys walking ten minutes after dark in the Moema clinicas area. Like from our hotel to 57 Friends House. It seems silly to grab an uber for such a short walk. But I also don't want to be stupid. Never stayed in this part of the city before. So advice welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Tsue Palace Flats, and walked late evenings from Prime, Maurina, to Abbobora and 57 Friends. Passed by lively bars on way. I kept my head on a swivel while walking cause I was drinking at the clinicas. No uber needed to visit all four. At night I left the phone in the Tsue apartment. Carried enough cash plus ID because 57 friends was one block away. The only suspicion was guys sitting in parked cars, with dark tinted windows on the way to and from 57 friends via Tsue. It's a one-block walk but I was startled when two guys jumped out of parked cars going about their business. Thought the parked cars were empty. Dudes we're just sitting there. Nothing happened except I changed to walk down the middle of the street instead of the sidewalk if it's an alley street and now I don't assume parked cars are empty. Had a great time in Moema until prompt 0600 am each morning the blood curling scream of high pitch high speed small jets tortured me and the neighborhood with takeoffs.

Today I had a session with a ruiva in Yankin but it wasn't the best. Think it's my first ever 'not great' session I've had in Brazil so I can't complain. Can't remember her name though, sorry.

Just had a session with a girl from Casarao, love that place. There was probably around 10 or so girls I would have taken there tonight. The girl I ended up taking, who was from Minhas Gerais, was really pretty and her wearing yoga pants won me over (have a thing for girls in yoga pants). Only issue was she had fake tits which I don't particularly mind but still prefer natural even if small.

Tomorrow there's a carnival event near my apartment, on Rua Augusta, so going to check that out.

Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).

Hello fellow ISG members,

I'll be in SP for a week in mid March. First time to the city for business. Looking for any advice on meeting women or just mongering in general (avoiding seedy places, prefer clean places and maybe higher class escorts). Much appreciated.

On Sunday, almost all is closed (except big malls), so you should prepare for that in advance (for whatever purpose. But on Saturday, there are enough playgrounds open.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2790314]Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nitro2000;2790404]On Sunday, almost all is closed (except big malls), so you should prepare for that in advance (for whatever purpose. But on Saturday, there are enough playgrounds open.[/QUOTE]Prime, Miruna, Indy, enjoy and Tangara clinicas are open on Sunday. The up lines are smaller than weekdays usually, though prime sometimes can have a full lineup. Freelancers can show up at Tangara and prime also on Sundays. Casarao is open both sat and sun. Scandallo is open sat but closed sun. Sunday's are also good for getting scandallo girls to go to your hotel or flat.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2790314]Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).[/QUOTE]All the clinicas are open on Saturdays (with shortened hours) but only some on Sundays (Miruna, Prime, Tangara, Yankin, maybe Brooklin Massages).

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2790314]Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).[/QUOTE]On the general, non-mongering aspect of SP on Sundays, Avendida Paulista is closed to car traffic and the pedestrians take over. Good place for people watching and popup entertainment and shopping. Relaxed atmosphere. There will be enough mongering opportunities to also keep you occupied so all is not lost.

Link to an old article.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/sao-paulos-avenida-paulista-is-closing-on-sundays-2015-9#:~:text=But%20Avenida%20Paulista%2C%20the%20city%27s%20famed%20main%20thoroughfare,Sunday%2C%20letting%20cyclists%2C%20strollers%2C%20and%20rollerbladers%20roam%20free.[/URL]

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2790911]From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).[/QUOTE]It really depends on if The Beach is important in your life. For me it's a tie but if I really had to choose, I'll go 49/51 Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2790911]From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo Pros: Boates, Clinicas, more better girls, better nightlife IMHO, better restaurants. Sao Paulo Cons: more expensive.

Rio Pros: Termas, Prive's, VM (a pro or con depending on your point of view), Urban beaches. RJ Cons: no establishment really can compare to SP's top 3 Boates. I think SP clinicas are nicer than RJ prives too.

Conclusion: For me SP is the city of women. RJ is just a nice little getaway / change of scene from SP for a few days / a week. 6 to 1 SP over RJ.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2790911]From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).[/QUOTE]In my opinion, SP for quality and variety. Rio for cost.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2790911]From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).[/QUOTE]When I first started to go to Brazil in the 90's it was all about Rio. When Help and L'uomo closed I gravitated to Sao Paulo. Now, post covid, I'm considering Rio again. Quality, cost and variety has always been great in Rio, the beach is tipping Rio in my favor for my chosen current style of hobbying.

The best place in the world for mongering is Barra the Tijuca, Posto 2.

Classico Beach Club day.

Olegario Maciel for drinks and meals.

Perola Negra is the best terma. Girls from there cross over with Solarium and 4 x 4, and get their insta pics during day at Classico, and go to top restaurants at Olegario with dates, as do BarraVipsRio girls.

SP has no beach, just tens of miles of concrete jungle.

After Carnival is optimal time.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2791043]When I first started to go to Brazil in the 90's it was all about Rio. When Help and L'uomo closed I gravitated to Sao Paulo. Now, post covid, I'm considering Rio again. Quality, cost and variety has always been great in Rio, the beach is tipping Rio in my favor for my chosen current style of hobbying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2790605]On the general, non-mongering aspect of SP on Sundays, Avendida Paulista is closed to car traffic and the pedestrians take over. Good place for people watching and popup entertainment and shopping. Relaxed atmosphere. There will be enough mongering opportunities to also keep you occupied so all is not lost.

Link to an old article.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/sao-paulos-avenida-paulista-is-closing-on-sundays-2015-9#:~:text=But%20Avenida%20Paulista%2C%20the%20city%27s%20famed%20main%20thoroughfare,Sunday%2C%20letting%20cyclists%2C%20strollers%2C%20and%20rollerbladers%20roam%20free.[/URL][/QUOTE]On a similar note; In Rio, on the weekends, the road running parallel to the beach in Leblon and Ipanema is also closed to vehicular traffic.

Very nice for people watching and relaxed walking.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2790911]From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).[/QUOTE]There is no single answer. I think you should go to both to decide. I will put it this way.

If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo.

If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better.

For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2791144]There is no single answer. I think you should go to both to decide. I will put it this way.

If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo.

If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better.

For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791162]Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Personally I think you're making a mistake, Medellin is overrated imo and Sao Paulo and Rio are better in pretty much every way.

Brazilian women are definitely curvier than the Colombians, unless you like asses full of silicone. Brazil has much more diversity in the looks of the women and no nationality can beat them when it comes to f*cking.

Also the food is better in Brazil too.

Anyone around this week who wants to get together for the weekend?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791162]Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.[/QUOTE]If its curves, butts and quality women you want its not even a debate, Brazil wins hands down. I've been to both destinations multiple times and it makes no sense arguing about it. BTW it is internationally recognized that Brazilian butts are the most phenomenal in the world.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791162]Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.[/QUOTE]I have spent about an equal amount of time in Colombia & Brazil and I am sure Colombia is the right choice for you. Have fun. BTW (KKK) just so you know: Brazil is the epicenter of large Butts. It's too bad I dislike large bundas. I tired one out on my 1st trip to Brazil and it didn't do anything for me. I prefer attractive, slender girls with natural everything.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2791303]If its curves, butts and quality women you want its not even a debate, Brazil wins hands down. I've been to both destinations multiple times and it makes no sense arguing about it. BTW it is internationally recognized that Brazilian butts are the most phenomenal in the world.[/QUOTE]As an ass man who has been around the world I say that's 100% spot on. No other women in the world beat the Brasiliera for shapely curves and nice, plump, round bundas and flat tummies. And as far as being able to [B]do[/B] something with those bundas besides just squeezing, kneading, and otherwise admiring them (ahem anal sex) no place is better than Brazil. No place!

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791162]Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.[/QUOTE]I don't think you can get a full picture from comparing internet ads and watching YouTube. A lot of the membership has been to both Brazil and Colombia and offer recommendations based on first hand experience. I don't know what the numbers are, but members by and large prefer Brazil.

It's true Colombia is quicker and easier especially if you speak Spanish. Beyond that, in my opinion Colombia pales in comparison to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

I've never been to SP, but when hooker beach was in front of othon palace back in the day, I find it hard to believe that SP was better in those days. The girls I pulled from there back in the day. Sometimes 2.. I plan on doing SP by the end of the year. I hope the clubs are as good as you guys say.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2791376]I've never been to SP, but when hooker beach was in front of othon palace back in the day, I find it hard to believe that SP was better in those days. The girls I pulled from there back in the day. Sometimes 2.. I plan on doing SP by the end of the year. I hope the clubs are as good as you guys say.[/QUOTE]You're right. Rio was better in those days. You had an entire pipeline of girls coming to Rio from Sao Paulo and all over Brazil. Brasileiras could enjoy the beach and make really good money while sharing cheap apartments.

Because of the changes to the Rio scene, the Brasileira pipeline has mostly steered towards Sao Paulo.

Now that doesn't mean you can't find that one girl who really strikes your fancy in Rio. Some of the working girls still do drop into Rio.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2791322]As an ass man who has been around the world I say that's 100% spot on. No other women in the world beat the Brasiliera for shapely curves and nice, plump, round bundas and flat tummies. And as far as being able to [B]do[/B] something with those bundas besides just squeezing, kneading, and otherwise admiring them (ahem anal sex) no place is better than Brazil. No place![/QUOTE]Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

[URL]https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2791376]I've never been to SP, but when hooker beach was in front of othon palace back in the day, I find it hard to believe that SP was better in those days. The girls I pulled from there back in the day. Sometimes 2.. I plan on doing SP by the end of the year. I hope the clubs are as good as you guys say.[/QUOTE]It is hard to compete against a memory especially a memory of a golden era. I should know having witnessed 1st hand the decline of once amazing mongering destinations like AC & Phnom Penh.

The question is not whether SP today is better than RJ back in the "hooker beach" help, L'UOMO days gone by. Sadly, I missed all that legendary stuff. It must have been fucking grand. But here we are February 2023 in the post covid era and our goal is to make the most of the things that are still around. So, I think you will enjoy SP today. It is still a pretty damn good place.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791400]Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

[URL]https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh well! I have actually seen this article before. All I can say is that when it comes to the people, I've never had any such experience as him. I've always found the Brazilian people to be quite friendly and approachable and would in no way consider them to have been "hostile" towards me. Instead the word I would use is "welcoming". Maybe his view has something to do with the "attitude" of author of the article himself? I don't know. In any event, I for one am not here to try to convince you of anything. You can go with the opinions of this guy and others like him, or with those from the [B]seasoned mongers[/B] here who are giving you their best advice, many of us having deep experience in both Colombia and Brazil. I'll 100% take Brazil over Colombia every single time, especially when it comes to "butt sex" hahaha! No questions asked, no hesitance at all, 100% hands down! Recommend you stop coming up with excuses and take a trip to see for yourself.

I also found very edifying video on youtube:

[URL]https://youtu.be/mfn0C7c3x8I[/URL]

So the jury is still out.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791411]I also found very edifying video on youtube:

[URL]https://youtu.be/mfn0C7c3x8I[/URL]

So the jury is still out.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to not try Brazil, so don't go. Colombia is decent but nowhere near as good as Brazil. Everyone I've met who have tried both, prefer Brazil, including all of the posters who replied to you below.

The only thing different in Medellin is the Facebook scene, which you may prefer but I find ordering girls online boring.

Regarding the friendliness of the people, I found both friendly but prefer the Brazilians as they seem more outgoing up for a good time.

It might help if you tell us what kind of mongering are you looking for? Do you want to find girls online, street walkers, girls in brothels (casas and prives in Colombia and Brazil respectively), in bars / clubs or in strip clubs / termas?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791400]Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

[URL]https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/[/URL][/QUOTE]I have been to both (and most everywhere else) and here are some facts. And some opinions.

Fact: The Brasileira Bunda (butt) is a real thing. Pretty face. Tiny waist and a bubble butt like no other. It's not fat. It's not muscle bound. It's simply amazing. Not all brasilian girls have it of course. Depends on their genetic line. But when you find it you will be amazed. You will not generally find this in Colombia. The BB is unique and amazing. And I'm not an ass man but was still in awe. I mean it.

Opinion widely held that Briazilian girls provide more IOP (illusion of passion) and DFK and general GFE than anywhere else. I happen to agree with this. I believe a large majority of Brasileiras you will meet at a Boate really bring it in the room and either want to be there or will make us believe they do.

Opinion mine. My experience in Colombia was that most of the girls consider BBBJ to be something you do a bit of before sex. Whereas Brasileiras tend to be more orally fixated and provide amazing kissing snd BBBJ in equal measure to regular sex. I haven't yet met a Brasileira who rushed thru a BJ. I've always gotten amazing BJs in Brazil and other than one exception the ones in Colombia were meh in comparison. Again. Only my experience.

Having been to both I would not generally go back to Colombia vs Brasil.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791162]... it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US...[/QUOTE]This is true if this is your criteria. I don't think you will go wrong either way assume you know what you are doing. I spent more than 100 days in Colombia before coming to Brazil. Both are excellent.

Nice subject, south american butts. First of all, you must taste flesh from all countries, so going to Colombia and Brasil is a must.

And don't forget argentinians. They have a different vibe, but quality of talent is incredible.

A fellow ISG monger emailed me a few weeks ago asking for info about Argentina, and I told him that the sport there is Models only, and promotional models before pandemics. Not cheap to take the first bite, but once you have the contacts, flesh will not stop flowing.

Real argentinian models pictured by me on the three attached pics.

On the first composite, there are bikini contest winners and playboy models. As you may know, Buenos Aires was the city where Playboy Tv Latam was produced. The other two pics, a promo model who gave personal escort services after working hours. And the fourth pic, promotional models from car races as TC2000 (most of them escorts). There was a saying in the car races among the pilots and mechanics "la que no gatea, aquí no dura" (The girl who does not sexwork, doesn't last here).

Those asses are a crazy thing indeed, but as you mention: Brasil, Argentina and Colombia will always be in the top 3 countries.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2790314]Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).[/QUOTE]On a nice weather Sunday I go to Ibirapuera Park during the day, get some fresh coconut juice watch people, then go to Cesaro at night. Picked up one of my new favorites there on a slow night. Worked out great for both of us. Took her to my hotel and she stayed all night.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2791144]There is no single answer. I think you should go to both to decide. I will put it this way.

If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo.

If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better.

For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio.[/QUOTE]As someone who is in Brazil at this moment on my 7th visit, I can honestly say EVERYTHING you have posted here is so wrong. I will address your statements individually.

"If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo. ".

If you have a large budget, why would you even want to stay in Sao Paulo? If you have the money to travel, then flying out of SP is the best use of your funds.

"If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo. ".

That statement tells me all we need to know about your experience in Sao Paulo. Specifically, its obvious to me that you have never been there. SP is a large, nasty, filthy, dangerous and ugly place. Really. It has the highest costs for everything and an overflowing population of homeless that shit on the sidewalks. SP is the only place where I have had to use the flashlight on my cellphone at night to ensure I wasn't stepping in human shit, because the neighborhood was a habitat for the homeless. SP has virtually no colonial buildings, just lots of ugly architecture in 15 shades of grey. It is the drabbest city in Brazil. And no, it has no mountains, no beaches, no ranges of lovely green hills. So, how can it have the best of everything? What it does have is the worst, most unpredictible weather in Brazil, going from extreme heat to chilly weather within a week. The rain has already ruined two days of Carnaval this year. And when it rains, it can rain for weeks and make the experience miserable. Then you will be at the airport with a ticket up north. And then there is that random downpour which leaves you drenched on the street, which I experienced today. In my experience, SP has the worst climate in the world. And then there is traffic and pollution. But, don't get me started on that. The only thing I like about SP is that it is home to Brazil's most ecletic and edgy music. Lots of good concerts here. Culturally, it is actually a bit lacking as there isn't a real Cultura Paulistana whereas the rest of the country as its unique cultural characteristics. So, if you have money, you'd be a fool not to catch a flight out of Sao Paulo. Brazil is an extremely rich and diverse nation. The punting just happens to be exceptional, as well.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

Wrong! Rio is still expensive. BTW, you actually stated that you thought SP was actually cheaper. But seriously, if you have a minimum budget, catch a bus out of SP into any other nearby cities. Any Brazilian will tell you that Rio and SP are far more expensive than other cities. I indicate SP as 90% of all international flights arrive at GRU. Direct flights into Rio are limited and expensive. Cities like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Florianopolis are less expensive (though Floripa can be higher during the high season) in most aspects. Punting costs are around HALF the price. The local food is interesting in those places and the cities more tranquil, with few filthy, homeless agressively pestering you for money or sleeping on the sidewalk. I prefer the Northeast myself, though you will need to fly to those cities. The bus trip would be brutally long! The Northeast has many amazing, uncrowded beaches, as well as triving urban beaches. The Northeast will always be warm enough for swimming! Plus some cities like Joao Pessoa and Recife (along with its neighbor Olinda) have lots of colonial buildings. Forget Salvador, as it is a pricey, overrated, tourist destination and possibly the most dangerous city in Brazil. The Bahian food and beaches are excellent, but access to other cities outside of Salvador is time consuming and / or expensive.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

WRONG AGAIN. Both Rio and SP have a wide selection of woman of all shades. You would have a hard time going through all the morenas in either city during your visit. Perhaps the average population of Rio is darker, that doesn't indicate nor limit your choices by any means. If you only like morenas, I suggest Recife as the population is overwhelmingly on the darker side and its an amazing city. If you like brancas, the southernmost states are the place to go. If you like variety, SP has a significant number of Japanese mestizas and a small number of pure Japanese girls. The ethnic variety of women is the only thing that SP excels in.

"It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better. ".

Excuse me, but who actually wants to spend money for the sake of spending money? If you did, I would suggest Las Vegas as a better and more accessible option.

"For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio. ".

Sao Paulo is the commercial capital and has a lot of business travelers. Unlike tourists, they aren't paying the hotel bill. Business travelers have expense accounts, which makes for expensive hotels. Plus real estate in general is expensive in SP compared to the rest of the nation. SP is just expensive with little that justifies the tourist or the punter lingering there.

BTW I have attached my latest passport stamps.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2791431]I have been to both (and most everywhere else) and here are some facts. And some opinions.

Fact: The Brasileira Bunda (butt) is a real thing. Pretty face. Tiny waist and a bubble butt like no other. It's not fat. It's not muscle bound. It's simply amazing. Not all brasilian girls have it of course. Depends on their genetic line. But when you find it you will be amazed. You will not generally find this in Colombia. The BB is unique and amazing. And I'm not an ass man but was still in awe. I mean it.

Opinion widely held that Briazilian girls provide more IOP (illusion of passion) and DFK and general GFE than anywhere else. I happen to agree with this. I believe a large majority of Brasileiras you will meet at a Boate really bring it in the room and either want to be there or will make us believe they do.

Opinion mine. My experience in Colombia was that most of the girls consider BBBJ to be something you do a bit of before sex. Whereas Brasileiras tend to be more orally fixated and provide amazing kissing snd BBBJ in equal measure to regular sex. I haven't yet met a Brasileira who rushed thru a BJ. I've always gotten amazing BJs in Brazil and other than one exception the ones in Colombia were meh in comparison. Again. Only my experience.

Having been to both I would not generally go back to Colombia vs Brasil.[/QUOTE]I think you said it perfectly amigo.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2791470]As someone who is in Brazil at this moment on my 7th visit, I can honestly say EVERYTHING you have posted here is so wrong. I will address your statements individually.

"If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo. ".

If you have a large budget, why would you even want to stay in Sao Paulo? If you have the money to travel, then flying out of SP is the best use of your funds.

"If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo. ".

That statement tells me all we need to know about your experience in Sao Paulo. Specifically, its obvious to me that you have never been there. SP is a large, nasty, filthy, dangerous and ugly place. Really. It has the highest costs for everything and an overflowing population of homeless that shit on the sidewalks. SP is the only place where I have had to use the flashlight on my cellphone at night to ensure I wasn't stepping in human shit, because the neighborhood was a habitat for the homeless. SP has virtually no colonial buildings, just lots of ugly architecture in 15 shades of grey. It is the drabbest city in Brazil. And no, it has no mountains, no beaches, no ranges of lovely green hills. So, how can it have the best of everything? What it does have is the worst, most unpredictible weather in Brazil, going from extreme heat to chilly weather within a week. The rain has already ruined two days of Carnaval this year. And when it rains, it can rain for weeks and make the experience miserable. Then you will be at the airport with a ticket up north. And then there is that random downpour which leaves you drenched on the street, which I experienced today. In my experience, SP has the worst climate in the world. And then there is traffic and pollution. But, don't get me started on that. The only thing I like about SP is that it is home to Brazil's most ecletic and edgy music. Lots of good concerts here. Culturally, it is actually a bit lacking as there isn't a real Cultura Paulistana whereas the rest of the country as its unique cultural characteristics. So, if you have money, you'd be a fool not to catch a flight out of Sao Paulo. Brazil is an extremely rich and diverse nation. The punting just happens to be exceptional, as well.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

Wrong! Rio is still expensive. BTW, you actually stated that you thought SP was actually cheaper. But seriously, if you have a minimum budget, catch a bus out of SP into any other nearby cities. Any Brazilian will tell you that Rio and SP are far more expensive than other cities. I indicate SP as 90% of all international flights arrive at GRU. Direct flights into Rio are limited and expensive. Cities like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Florianopolis are less expensive (though Floripa can be higher during the high season) in most aspects. Punting costs are around HALF the price. The local food is interesting in those places and the cities more tranquil, with few filthy, homeless agressively pestering you for money or sleeping on the sidewalk. I prefer the Northeast myself, though you will need to fly to those cities. The bus trip would be brutally long! The Northeast has many amazing, uncrowded beaches, as well as triving urban beaches. The Northeast will always be warm enough for swimming! Plus some cities like Joao Pessoa and Recife (along with its neighbor Olinda) have lots of colonial buildings. Forget Salvador, as it is a pricey, overrated, tourist destination and possibly the most dangerous city in Brazil. The Bahian food and beaches are excellent, but access to other cities outside of Salvador is time consuming and / or expensive..[/QUOTE]Thanks for your insight, but a few things you need to put into perspective.

1. These other cities and locations that you mention, they are not geared up to support our hobby like SP and Rio are. Yes there are women there, but you are not going to see the same number of quality venues that facilitate things.

2. A lack of Portuguese is already tricky in SP and Rio, but its another ball game when you head into the other cities.

3. Unless you have a significant amount of time to spend on the ground in these places, its going to take a while before you have figured the place out well enough to consistently get high level experiences. Thats less of an issue in SP and Rio.

4. Go into any boate in SP and then go into any terma in Rio. On average, there are going to be way more lighter skinned women in SP. Yes you will find them in Rio, but the number drops the further north you go. Simple demographics.

5. The best working girls in the country go to their local business districts because that's where the money is. This is not just in Brazil, this is the world over. The elite tend to go abroad if they have the option to leave for a while.

So in the context of the average punter who is going to have a month or less on average, then SP and Rio make far more sense than anything you suggested. None of the advice you offered helps anyone but expats or guys who have the ability to travel for long periods of time. The only guys who could get some value out of what you suggested are the guys who speak porto.

I was recently in Floripa. Almost no clubs, your options are escorts and online dating apps. Given time you will build an amazing stable, but if you only have a week what's the point?

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2791423]Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to not try Brazil, so don't go. Colombia is decent but nowhere near as good as Brazil. Everyone I've met who have tried both, prefer Brazil, including all of the posters who replied to you below.

The only thing different in Medellin is the Facebook scene, which you may prefer but I find ordering girls online boring.

Regarding the friendliness of the people, I found both friendly but prefer the Brazilians as they seem more outgoing up for a good time.

It might help if you tell us what kind of mongering are you looking for? Do you want to find girls online, street walkers, girls in brothels (casas and prives in Colombia and Brazil respectively), in bars / clubs or in strip clubs / termas?[/QUOTE]I like cities that have all options available in term of quantity, quality and reliability; Bogota has it all; I went there so many times; It is just that I want to explore other venues; I went to Rio 20 years ago and had good time; that was before the ISG; there was the WSG but not as good as ISG. So I think I will spend 1 week in SP, 1 week in Rio, and 1 week in Boogota on my way back to California.

I write all my adventures down in detail. Sometimes I go back and read favorite adventures to relive them. It was timely when I went to read Brazil 2019 because I contended yesterday that Brasilieras were better on the BBBJ and more girlfriendy than any other nationality. I was careful to say that is just my opinion. But I happened upon this fact:

"Of the 9 girls I saw, I finished 7 CIM. And 5 out of those swallowed without a second thought. Nice!”

To me that's solid data. 7 out of 9 CIM and 5 swallowed. Wtf. Brasileiras rule!

I believe you need a Yellow Fever vac certificate to enter Colombia from Brazil.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2791815] So I think I will spend 1 week in SP, 1 week in Rio, and 1 week in Boogota on my way back to California.[/QUOTE]

You can get a medical exemption if you are 60 or older. You would need it or the vaccine certificate to directly enter Colombia or Panama. Bon voyage.

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;2791836]I believe you need a Yellow Fever vac certificate to enter Colombia from Brazil.[/QUOTE]

Rio has many nicer places to meet girls in person. If you are an online only guy then I guess it doesn't matter. Go to Medellin, it's cheaper. If you like the chase of going to different places and finding your type, then Rio wins easily. The girls are much wilder in Rio. My next trip to Rio is going to be my first post pandemic trip with no Covid test needed to leave. I will see if things have changed for the better.

I don't look at things in term of absolute. This is more an explanation than winning an argument, and hopefully someone find it as sharing.

The price is about the same period in similar area, it's a place called Centro in both Rio and Sao Paulo.

The orange juice price list is Rio. The red hat man holding a bottle is SP. That bottle is about 500 CC and was are $4 last year. I always bought 5 bottles to bring back to my apartment. The other 2 pictures show the SP wholesale market where I found the juice vendor. Everything came in large trucks and it is only open at night. You basically buy in bulk. There are smaller vendors sprinkle around that sell in small retail quantity as well. This is not on the map. I found this area seeing the bright lights on freeway going to Scandallo so I tried to find out what's here. LOL. Lots of good stuff. The picture with Pastel price is in SP. If you take metro going to clinicas, you will likely know this standd. This picture is just for fun memory.

The Yakisoba price is Rio. I think some of you will recognize where this is taken. haha. Its RB156. I ordered it with a guanana juice and sit on the chair in the picture using that white stool as table. I still remember this day I had a date with a 4x4 blonde that we promised each other we would not cancel. We didn't meet because her baby sitter did not show up.

SP does not have price but it starts at are $5 and large one is are $10. There are 3 different vendors here. The last picture is fried rice and is now obsolete which I already miss greatly.

It really depends on how you want to see it. The firework picture is taken NYE above the jungle from my balcony. Hehe. These Brazilian phrases touch me. One is from a museum. The other just taken recently in a shopping mall. The sunset is taken from my apartment from where I am now while I was working

The last picture is from an Italian neighborhood in SP

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2791457]......And don't forget argentinians. They have a different vibe, but quality of talent is incredible.......[/QUOTE]The demise of Argentina as a mongering destination was a huge blow to me. It was my favorite destination up to 2010. The hottest girls I've ever banged were banged there including incredibly gorgeous Paraguayans. I'm still hoping things would improve there.

Argentinian women feel true rivalry against paraguayans. As you may already know, hundreds of germans escaped to Paraguay during and after WWII. And they had many descendants in Paraguay because the country lost men population during the Chaco war of the 1930's, this is why they have the exotic mix, the same as in southern Brasil. The germans arrived in Paraguay and found a women overpopulated country.

I've met paraguayans in Northern Argentina, there is lots of commerce and culture between those two countries because of the river ports. They have their own carnival in northern Argentina and many paraguas travel there and looks very much the same as in Rio. Picture attached from the Posadas. Misiones carnival. A very hot place in all sense of the word.

Picture attached of a girl that has all that mix we're referring to, and a behind scenes only a visual producer can have in archive Argie from the north, half native and half german. Her lastname is german as a matter of fact. A true beast. 1,78 m (almost six feet tall) hiper long legs, incredible suntan. A solid 10.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2792000]The demise of Argentina as a mongering destination was a huge blow to me. It was my favorite destination up to 2010. The hottest girls I've ever banged were banged there including incredibly gorgeous Paraguayans. I'm still hoping things would improve there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2792114]Argentinian women feel true rivalry against paraguayans. As you may already know, hundreds of germans escaped to Paraguay during and after WWII. And they had many descendants in Paraguay because the country lost men population during the Chaco war of the 1930's, this is why they have the exotic mix, the same as in southern Brasil. The germans arrived in Paraguay and found a women overpopulated country.

I've met paraguayans in Northern Argentina, there is lots of commerce and culture between those two countries because of the river ports. They have their own carnival in northern Argentina and many paraguas travel there and looks very much the same as in Rio. Picture attached from the Posadas. Misiones carnival. A very hot place in all sense of the word.

Picture attached of a girl that has all that mix we're referring to, and a behind scenes only a visual producer can have in archive Argie from the north, half native and half german. Her lastname is german as a matter of fact. A true beast. 1,78 m (almost six feet tall) hiper long legs, incredible suntan. A solid 10.[/QUOTE]I was in Ciudad del Este in Paraguay once (don't ask why) and was surprised to see so many blonde German girls in such an out of the way place! Now in Buenos Aires, all of the Paraguayanas I saw had a very indigenous, native look about them. I fucked one of the prettiest ones really hard and strong in the bed. She made all kinds of funny noises as our pelvises repeatedly slammed together from my rhythmic thrusts against her body hehehe!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2791310].... It's too bad I dislike large bundas. I tired one out on my 1st trip to Brazil and it didn't do anything for me....[/QUOTE]You have my sympathy. It is my experience that the bigger the bunda the hornier the chick.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2792302]You have my sympathy. It is my experience that the bigger the bunda the hornier the chick.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I will take you word for it, but so far, I have had no problem with the sex drive of my petite, slender ass Brazilian girls. Ha Ha.

But what about tall, slender ass girls? This is my new flavor favorite, and I am digging them. For example, on my last trip I had the pleasure of 2 very attractive, tall, slender girls. One was from Scandallo and the other was from Bamboa. One of the girls was my height 5'10" and the other girl was a couple of inches taller than me in her bare feet. Both girls were very passionate and amorous. The sex was amazing, so I repeated with both girls a few times each while I was in town.

Oh yeah, you're just right.

North East Argentina, Posadas, Misiones, Cordoba, Rosario you can find lots of paraguayans. Such amount of beauty up there.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2792125]I was in Ciudad del Este in Paraguay once (don't ask why) and was surprised to see so many blonde German girls in such an out of the way place! Now in Buenos Aires, all of the Paraguayanas I saw had a very indigenous, native look about them. I fucked one of the prettiest ones really hard and strong in the bed. She made all kinds of funny noises as our pelvises repeatedly slammed together from my rhythmic thrusts against her body hehehe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2792327]Interesting. I will take you word for it, but so far, I have had no problem with the sex drive of my petite, slender ass Brazilian girls. Ha Ha.

But what about tall, slender ass girls? This is my new flavor favorite, and I am digging them. For example, on my last trip I had the pleasure of 2 very attractive, tall, slender girls. One was from Scandallo and the other was from Bamboa. One of the girls was my height 5'10" and the other girl was a couple of inches taller than me in her bare feet. Both girls were very passionate and amorous. The sex was amazing, so I repeated with both girls a few times each while I was in town.[/QUOTE]I love tall, slender ass girls but only for vaginal sex, however, little Turgid likes variety. There's nothing more enjoyable than banging a huge bubble butt garota in the ass.

Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.

The earliest I went was 5 pm. The bar was open there were around 10 girls already working. Talent was just good and took one girl upstairs. When I was about to leave the place, a tall Japa in tight rose cocktail dress showed up. Mind blowing. She's in my todo list for the next trip.

All girls will give their whatsapp after service, and some will give it even before service. As they are freelancers, you can arrange everything with them for days after.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=HotFuzz123;2792818]Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your pointers. I will try to go earlier to see if I can find one girl that I like to propose for an all nighter. I'm staying at the Renaissance, I heard that the lobby is full of working girls too. Will be an interesting trip.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2792913]The earliest I went was 5 pm. The bar was open there were around 10 girls already working. Talent was just good and took one girl upstairs. When I was about to leave the place, a tall Japa in tight rose cocktail dress showed up. Mind blowing. She's in my todo list for the next trip.

All girls will give their whatsapp after service, and some will give it even before service. As they are freelancers, you can arrange everything with them for days after..[/QUOTE]

1) after 7 pm (it is actually 500 Rs with 300 Rs as consuming credit.

Food is ok. But of course absolutely overpriced (nevertheless, sooner or later you have to or should spend your included credit in some way. Hahaha).

2) I never was before 10 pm, so I only know the "full house" situation, and that I prefer, because at 7 pm or earlier, you are for sure the prey, and not the ladies. Hahaha.

3) Girls charge between 500 Rs and 2. 500 Rs per hour. Depends on different things. But you should negotiate or at least trying. Sometimes no discount for gringos)).

(well mannered appearance and a little Portuguese could mean saving a few hundred Rs hahaha.

4) When you decide to take a girl to your hotel, you should consider that you also have to pay the "exit fee". That's about the same as one hour there in a room.

[QUOTE=HotFuzz123;2792818]Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotFuzz123;2792818]Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.[/QUOTE]1) Currently its R500 with R300 being consumable (used on food / drinks). If you arrive before a certain time its only R300 consumable, though I'm not 100% sure on what time that is. The food is very high quality, and regardless of the time I show up I pretty much always eat there. It gives me an opportunity to survey the talent pool a bit without being pounced on right away.

3) You can get almost any girl for R800 for an hour. I'm sure plenty can be had for less, but personally if I'm going to the most expensive house I'm not shopping for the second and third tier talent. Recently I did break my rule and pay R1000, but that was for someone I'd say was objectively the best looking girl there, spoke English, and had been very affectionate with me for an hour+ beforehand. She had opened with a much higher number, and I wasn't willing to lose her over R200. I did not regret my decision.

4) Most girls will see you outside of the club, as it saves them and you money. Near the end of the night some will even suggest it rather than going up to the rooms. Personally though I prefer to screen them in the room before letting them near my hotel, as I tend to stay for a long period of time and I'm overly paranoid.

Hopefully that's helpful, enjoy!

[QUOTE=HotFuzz123;2792943]Thank you for your pointers. I will try to go earlier to see if I can find one girl that I like to propose for an all nighter. I'm staying at the Renaissance, I heard that the lobby is full of working girls too. Will be an interesting trip.[/QUOTE]The girls working at the Renaissance bar will charge you a gringo price which will be very high with limited service. I wouldn't waste my time.

Jzelenik, Anaggie and Nitro2000 Thank you for your advice! I will keep it in mind, especially on the prices of the girls in the club, chatting them up and negotiating and also avoiding the girls in the lobby of my hotel. Looking forward to the trip.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2792957]1) Currently its R500 with R300 being consumable (used on food / drinks). If you arrive before a certain time its only R300 consumable, though I'm not 100% sure on what time that is. The food is very high quality, and regardless of the time I show up I pretty much always eat there. It gives me an opportunity to survey the talent pool a bit without being pounced on right away.

3) You can get almost any girl for R800 for an hour. I'm sure plenty can be had for less, but personally if I'm going to the most expensive house I'm not shopping for the second and third tier talent. Recently I did break my rule and pay R1000, but that was for someone I'd say was objectively the best looking girl there, spoke English, and had been very affectionate with me for an hour+ beforehand. She had opened with a much higher number, and I wasn't willing to lose her over R200. I did not regret my decision.

4) Most girls will see you outside of the club, as it saves them and you money. Near the end of the night some will even suggest it rather than going up to the rooms. Personally though I prefer to screen them in the room before letting them near my hotel, as I tend to stay for a long period of time and I'm overly paranoid.

Hopefully that's helpful, enjoy![/QUOTE]

Anaggie, when I stayed at the Renaissance last October, the hotel lobby / bar / restaurant area was full of people until at least 12:30-1 am and there was no place for the FL's to sit and nurse a drink. Even the bench where I used to smoke joints with some of my girls was occupied by other hotel guests until late. What a shame. I like a hotel with a few FL's hanging out in the hotel bar even if I never partake. It makes the place feel more like home. KKK.

Hello world. Been to SP several times. But all the time took the safe route of Scandallo and enjoyed my available time. I have done Tangara and brooklin massage places in my very first trip approximately 7 years ago. Last time felt very bored at Scandallo. After entering at 6 pm till 12 midnight every night. Needed some variety. Which website is good. Skokka looks way too real to be true. So will skip it. Photoacompanhantes looks ok. What is the trusted go to websites. (there seems to be a million of them).

What are the classic massage places. Where they have will atleast 8-10 garotas?

My trips seem to be too stereo trpical or monotonous. Arrive at WTC / Sheraton or Hilton Morumbi or Renaissance and every day take a uber to Scandallo for 5 continous days and by the 3rd day get bored seeing the same girls over and over. But classic, guaranteed, very clean, safe, good food is a big plus. Please don't beat me up for my naive question. I am seeking some serious alternate ways / help to enjoy SP.

This is an old experience, let me share it, if you don't mind.

My heavy drinker days in Cafe Photo on the Juscelino Kubitschek Avenue Nr. 373.

One of those nights, I decided to look the talent from a table, in front the scenery, the band playing really good 80's covers around 2 am. A few tables away from mine, there was a slim old man alone, dressing a suit, he looked like the assistant of an attorney, drinking whisky.

I started calling next to me every single girl who showed standing, and I made this proposal:

Me: So, you can really do my wildest dreams come true?

Girl: Sure, I can do that and even more.

Me: Cool, what if I watch you being fucked by the old guy in front of us? You can choose the best room in Asturias.

Girl: Which one? The old one there? (after watching all tables around).

Me: Yeah. Tell me how much.

No one agreed! Jajajajajaja I tested maybe 6 girls until very late. Some of them left the table in 10 seconds, others tried to change my plan and I invited them a drink.

That night I left the house around 4 am. With a chubby talkative girl who laughed at my proposal for long minutes.

The proposal never came true.

Was it more because of the price wasnt right for them?

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2793050]This is an old experience, let me share it, if you don't mind.

My heavy drinker days in Cafe Photo on the Juscelino Kubitschek Avenue Nr. 373.

One of those nights, I decided to look the talent from a table, in front the scenery, the band playing really good 80's covers around 2 am. A few tables away from mine, there was a slim old man alone, dressing a suit, he looked like the assistant of an attorney, drinking whisky.

I started calling next to me every single girl who showed standing, and I made this proposal:

Me: So, you can really do my wildest dreams come true?

Girl: Sure, I can do that and even more.

Me: Cool, what if I watch you being fucked by the old guy in front of us? You can choose the best room in Asturias.

Girl: Which one? The old one there? (after watching all tables around).

Me: Yeah. Tell me how much.

No one agreed! Jajajajajaja I tested maybe 6 girls until very late. Some of them left the table in 10 seconds, others tried to change my plan and I invited them a drink.

That night I left the house around 4 am. With a chubby talkative girl who laughed at my proposal for long minutes.

The proposal never came true.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotFuzz123;2792818]Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.[/QUOTE]I am planning on going that night. Let's meet up.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2793043]Hello world. Been to SP several times. But all the time took the safe route of Scandallo and enjoyed my available time. I have done Tangara and brooklin massage places in my very first trip approximately 7 years ago. Last time felt very bored at Scandallo. After entering at 6 pm till 12 midnight every night. Needed some variety. Which website is good. Skokka looks way too real to be true. So will skip it. Photoacompanhantes looks ok. What is the trusted go to websites. (there seems to be a million of them).

My trips seem to be too stereo trpical or monotonous. Arrive at WTC / Sheraton or Hilton Morumbi or Renaissance and every day take a uber to Scandallo for 5 continous days and by the 3rd day get bored seeing the same girls over and over. But classic, guaranteed, very clean, safe, good food is a big plus. Please don't beat me up for my naive question. I am seeking some serious alternate ways / help to enjoy SP.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.

On the afternoon Clinica front: I advise you to read the relevant reports (RTFF). I think there are more better casas than Tangara and Brooklin definitely worth checking out like Prime and Abbóbora to name just 2, but YMMV.

Escorts: If I were you, I would focus your efforts solely on MClass & Club Model escort sites. Prices are higher, but so is the quality and no bait & switch.

[QUOTE=LvHobby;2793164]I am planning on going that night. Let's meet up.[/QUOTE]I seem to be unable to PM you. How do we recognize each other.

I've been to Cafe Photo two separate times in the last 2 years (incl 6 mo ago) and both times it was a busy. The entrance fee is similar to that of Scandallo except there's very, very few girls inside.

It's too bad because the place itself looks super nice and luxurious but I wouldn't recommend spending money to go there, better places for that in SP (including the aforementioned Scandallo).

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2793040]Anaggie, when I stayed at the Renaissance last October, the hotel lobby / bar / restaurant area was full of people until at least 12:30-1 am and there was no place for the FL's to sit and nurse a drink. Even the bench where I used to smoke joints with some of my girls was occupied by other hotel guests until late. What a shame. I like a hotel with a few FL's hanging out in the hotel bar even if I never partake. It makes the place feel more like home. KKK.[/QUOTE]Yup. The last time I was in SP, the lobby bar was full. The girls were sitting across the bar in that little area with sofas next to the check in area. I noticed two as both smiled at me and were both a bit on the older side. I don't hang out at the lobby bar. So many other places to go check out.

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No, the proposal was too bizarre for them to evaluate it.

: the.

[QUOTE=Fewdie;2793063]Was it more because of the price wasnt right for them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LvHobby;2793164]I am planning on going that night. Let's meet up.[/QUOTE]You cannot post contact information here. Subscribe and you will get access to the Private Messaging system. It's only $25 a year but you have to pay in Bitcoin (that's the fastest route. Took me half a day to get access).

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2793236]Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.

On the afternoon Clinica front: I advise you to read the relevant reports (RTFF). I think there are more better casas than Tangara and Brooklin definitely worth checking out like Prime and Abbbora to name just 2, but YMMV.

Escorts: If I were you, I would focus your efforts solely on MClass & Club Model escort sites. Prices are higher, but so is the quality and no bait & switch.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the ranking on boates, thanks. I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?

As for clinicas I personally have been really enjoying Miruna over Prime. That was my experience last trip, and still holds true so far this time. I will say that the scene seems to shift fast though.

On an unrelated note does anyone have any suggestions for a phone sim card without a CPF, or should I just bite the bullet and get one? I am hesitant to venture too far out of my comfort zone until I have a sim for my backup phone.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2793607] I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?[/QUOTE]I think you will like Bomboa. The scene there is very different than Scandallo. It is more like a neighborhood boate where everybody knows your name. KKK. The all consumable entry fee is around 250 BR or a little more. Rooms are 250 BR and the rooms are very nice. Bomboa girls ask anywhere from 500 BR to 1000 BR, but I have never given them more than 800 BR. If a girl that I am interested in asks for 500 BR or 600 BR, I just agree to her offer. And the 1000 BR or 900 BR girls have always immediately accepted my counteroffer of 700 or 800. There are usually 30 to 50 girls available at around 10 pm on a Wed, Thurs. Or Friday night. Live music every night. The bar does skimp on the booze in their mixed drinks and they have a pretty decent restaurant. It is my 2nd favorite boate in SP.

But I highly recommend Casarao as well. The scene at Casarao very, very different from that at either Scandallo or Bomboa and there are a ton of girls available (wall to wall) at around midnight and later. I can easily see why some guys rate this place numero uno. Hey, I love this place too. KKK. Prices have been mentioned recently by another BM, so no point my repeating them, but it is significantly cheaper here than at Scandallo or Bomboa. Casarao girls ask between 350 BR and 500 BR. Rooms are located in another building next door. The rooms are scuzzy. KKK. Let's just say I have elected to never showered there and neither have any of my Casarao girls. That is why, unless I am totally slumming it for one reason or another and my girl's appearance is too wayward, ha ha ha, I prefer to take my Casarao girls back to my hotel.

I am a little surprised you did not like Bahamas, however. To me Bahamas is like a fancy RJ Terma. Not that many girls, but I can usually find a nice one. I like the decor too. But what got me hooked on the place was when one of my Scandallo girls started working there. She invited me over one night to take a look and I kind of dug the place, although I ended up taking her back to my hotel that night so we could have more time together.

Anyway, I think having a good time is all about mixing things up so one never gets bored. Scandallo one or two nights a week, and then ditto for Bomboa and Casarao. Of course, I also have my ever-growing list of favorite repeat girls whom I love seeing. They can easily take up half the nights in my week or the entire week if I let them. This is why I love SP. It is the City of Women and I never get bored here.

P.S. I will take your word for it and check out Brooklin Club on my next visit.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2793607]I appreciate the ranking on boates, thanks. I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?

As for clinicas I personally have been really enjoying Miruna over Prime. That was my experience last trip, and still holds true so far this time. I will say that the scene seems to shift fast though.

On an unrelated note does anyone have any suggestions for a phone sim card without a CPF, or should I just bite the bullet and get one? I am hesitant to venture too far out of my comfort zone until I have a sim for my backup phone.[/QUOTE]TIM will sell you a SIM card + data package based on you passport. I got a SIM twice at the "loja TIM" at Shopping Iguatemi, but you may want first to try out the TIM shop nearest to where you stay.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2793607]I appreciate the ranking on boates, thanks. I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?

As for clinicas I personally have been really enjoying Miruna over Prime. That was my experience last trip, and still holds true so far this time. I will say that the scene seems to shift fast though.

On an unrelated note does anyone have any suggestions for a phone sim card without a CPF, or should I just bite the bullet and get one? I am hesitant to venture too far out of my comfort zone until I have a sim for my backup phone.[/QUOTE]Look at a Google Fi SIM card.

[QUOTE=XXL;2793668]...I got a SIM twice at the "loja TIM" at Shopping Iguatemi, ....[/QUOTE]This maybe the most straightforward method when there is one nearby.

You can get TIM chip (They call a SIM card [B]chip[/B] in Brazil) at any newspaper stand or store, then register yourself in English. The key is you need help to get to that English speaking agent on your cell with your new number. The first time, my Airbnb host did it. Later I did it myself with help. You can bring your phone with SIM to any TIM store and ask them to register for you or help you get to the English speaking agent. You need your passport number and maybe the address of the place you are staying. You can even get the store to help you get to the English speaking agent if the store is not too busy.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2793236]Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.

On the afternoon Clinica front: I advise you to read the relevant reports (RTFF). I think there are more better casas than Tangara and Brooklin definitely worth checking out like Prime and Abbbora to name just 2, but YMMV.

Escorts: If I were you, I would focus your efforts solely on MClass & Club Model escort sites. Prices are higher, but so is the quality and no bait & switch.[/QUOTE]What about 57 Friends Club. I guess it's a lower brow vibe, but so convenient to my hotel. Any thoughts on that? Also why is Cafe Photo so low ranked. I thought it was quite high end — but maybe past it's prime?

P.S. For SIM card guy I second that Google FI rocks. Phone works all over the world and you don't have to do zip. Well worth not hassling for SIMs as I am usually only in town a couple days.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2793763]What about 57 Friends Club. I guess it's a lower brow vibe, but so convenient to my hotel. Any thoughts on that? Also why is Cafe Photo so low ranked. I thought it was quite high end but maybe past it's prime?[/QUOTE]I have only been to 57 Friends one time so in all fairness to the bordello I have not made up my mind about this place yet. It was around 3 pm when I went there and the place seemed more like a clinica than a boate. There were around 10 girls hanging out in 2 large bar rooms bars. Not many customers. Girl quality was more or less what you would expect in a Moema clinica. I went upstairs with a friendly Morena with a smoking hot all-natural body and had a pretty good time which is why I am holding off my final opinion of the place until I have a chance to go there at night and see if the place takes on a more boate like feel.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2793654]I think you will like Bomboa. <snip> The bar does skimp on the booze in their mixed drinks and they have a pretty decent restaurant. It is my 2nd favorite boate in SP.
[/QUOTE]Oops, I meant to write "the bar does not skimp on the booze in their mixed drinks". It is always a very healthy pour. The girls truned me on to Bomboa's Gin Tropical. Its very tasty.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2793787]I have only been to 57 Friends one time so in all fairness to the bordello I have not made up my mind about this place yet. It was around 3 pm when I went there and the place seemed more like a clinica than a boate. There were around 10 girls hanging out in 2 large bar rooms bars. Not many customers. Girl quality was more or less what you would expect in a Moema clinica. I went upstairs with a friendly Morena with a smoking hot all-natural body and had a pretty good time which is why I am holding off my final opinion of the place until I have a chance to go there at night and see if the place takes on a more boate like feel.[/QUOTE]57 Friends is a clinica until 9 PM (last time I checked), with typical clinica pricing and you pay reception the fee. Usually dead in the afternoon. After 9 PM, it becomes a boate and you negotiate directly with the girl her fee and pay reception the room fee. Used to be a lot livelier. Seems to be dying lately.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2793836]57 Friends is a clinica until 9 PM (last time I checked), with typical clinica pricing and you pay reception the fee. Usually dead in the afternoon. After 9 PM, it becomes a boate and you negotiate directly with the girl her fee and pay reception the room fee. Used to be a lot livelier. Seems to be dying lately.[/QUOTE]Is this place the same as Chanes 57? If so then I went there once and it was not for me. Wasn't taken by the talent. Friendly but not what I was looking for.

This worked for me from the comfort of my hotel room: [URL]https://www.tim.com.br/para-voce/atendimento/facilidades/ativacao-chip[/URL].

[QUOTE=Nounce;2793758]This maybe the most straightforward method when there is one nearby.

You can get TIM chip (They call a SIM card [B]chip[/B] in Brazil) at any newspaper stand or store, then register yourself in English. The key is you need help to get to that English speaking agent on your cell with your new number. The first time, my Airbnb host did it. Later I did it myself with help. You can bring your phone with SIM to any TIM store and ask them to register for you or help you get to the English speaking agent. You need your passport number and maybe the address of the place you are staying. You can even get the store to help you get to the English speaking agent if the store is not too busy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2793836]57 Friends is a clinica until 9 PM (last time I checked), with typical clinica pricing and you pay reception the fee. Usually dead in the afternoon. After 9 PM, it becomes a boate and you negotiate directly with the girl her fee and pay reception the room fee. Used to be a lot livelier. Seems to be dying lately.[/QUOTE]Just prior to Covid I was staying at an Airbnb near 57. Walked there one evening and was under impressed until a dark skinned girl took an interest in me. We had a drink and I told her I enjoyed making love in my room much better than at clubs. She agreed to come to me for 300 real after she was done there. She arrived, I had to remind the security that I had booked for 2 people then we spent a lovely night. She did not leave until late the next morning. She kept in touch with me through the pandemic and when I returned last spring she was the first I had come to me. What a wonderful night. However, she had decided she was a 1000 reai girl without telling me and we parted agreeing to disagree after three visits.

Thanks for the full rundown on Bomboa Axel, and I'd add that I used to enjoy 57 at night quite a bit but I feel like the quality is not where it was even three months ago.

As far as Bahamas goes, I went 4-5 times at varying hours over two trips. The entry gets pretty steep after a certain hour (21 maybe?) and the girls would ask me for R800+. My conclusion was ultimately that if I'm going to pay Scandallo prices, I'm going to go to Scandallo. In fairness to Bahamas it is a nice looking place, and there are nice looking girls. Maybe I'll have to try it once more on a busy night, and give the food a shot.

To the person asking about my ranking on Cafe Photo, my experience was limited. I went one time, and started out being very unnerved when they asked to scan my finger print to get in. I went along with it, but it really didn't sit well with me. As for the girls, there was a decent selection and I saw a few I was interested in, but they were occupied so I never got to really explore options. This place also has no rooms on site, and while I like brining girls back to my hotel I generally prefer to screen them once at a club and only invite them back if I know they're fun / sane. Cafe Photo and Scandallo have a decent bit of crossover from what girls tell me, so I imagine its not a bad spot overall if you're comfortable with those few caveats.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2793838]Is this place the same as Chanes 57? If so then I went there once and it was not for me. Wasn't taken by the talent. Friendly but not what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]Yes, it used to be on Rua Chanes.

I've been to Scandalo so many times that I'm looking to switch it up a little this time. In total, I've visited the club 16 times and it's starting to feel a bit repetitive. Has anyone been to any of the clubs in the smaller cities of Sao Paulo? I'm not talking about Campinas, since it's a relatively big city, but more like the smaller towns in Sao Paulo? I'm sure it would be a much more interesting experience with a different atmosphere.

Did anyone catch the graphic video of the massacre that occurred at the pool hall in Moto grosso? It is a chilling reminder that this could happen to any of us. If you wish to view it, here is a link. This is why I just try to stay away from any confrontation in the us and Brazil whether I'm right or wrong. Even with random girls, we have to becareful too because some could work in groups with other people and be up to no good.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/7-killed-at-brazilian-pool-hall-after-mocking-losers-video/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2793869]Just prior to Covid I was staying at an Airbnb near 57. Walked there one evening and was under impressed until a dark skinned girl took an interest in me. We had a drink and I told her I enjoyed making love in my room much better than at clubs. She agreed to come to me for 300 real after she was done there. She arrived, I had to remind the security that I had booked for 2 people then we spent a lovely night. She did not leave until late the next morning. She kept in touch with me through the pandemic and when I returned last spring she was the first I had come to me. What a wonderful night. However, she had decided she was a 1000 reai girl without telling me and we parted agreeing to disagree after three visits.[/QUOTE]Visited 57 Friends late afternoon and night. It was a one-block walk from the hotel. The front desk lady speaks fluent English. They did not have a wide variety of good liquor. In my opinion, the garotas were mostly plain ones you see in other bars. A few cuties came after their shift was done at nearby clinica. There was different pricing as a clinica than as a boate for the room and garotas. I couldn't figure out the pricing the first time. It was not a very busy place. One night I found a girl next door type student. She was porn style performer in bed. I could not tell by her plain-looking face and glasses. After a while, we agreed to met in the hotel apartment to have more fun and better drinks. That was great I think 300 reals. We still stay in touch. There are reviews on gpgua of 57 Friends.

I gave a rundown of some boates in SP here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2725264&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2725264.

But to further elaborate, no matter how nice a place, it still comes down to the quantity and quality is the girls.

I really want to like Cafe Photo, as it's posh, have great waiter service and the setup allows one to see most of the girls from the lounge as it's mostly one open circular space, with a balcony restaurant and smoking room on the second floor. Here is a drone tour of the space:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXoEVdxugY[/URL]

Logistically, Cafe Photo is great for me as I can relax and scope out most of the girls from my seat in the main lounge area without moving much. The girls at Cafe Photo also won't approach you on their own. At Scandallo, I often have to keep moving from room to room to fully scope out the talent.

I also usually only takes girls out so the lack of a takeout fee is also a plus. I can have the option of taking girls to my place or a love motel with themed rooms, depending on my mood without extra fees.

But the main problem with Cafe Photo is the low numbers of girls on site. It usually only has 1/3 to 1/6th the amount of girls when compared to Scandallo. I've always seen at least a couple girls I am interested in at Cafe Photo, but often times are occupied with others and unavailable. Of the 5 or 6 times I've visited, I've left empty handed about 50% of the time and moved on to another boate. Which is not a great ratio when the cost of entry / consumption is on par with Scandallo.

Cafe Photo also appears to be more of an "early" evening boate. I found the best talents at around 8 to 10 pm. Basically it is like a one shift situation. Girls arrive between 7 to 8. And then gets picked over or they leave and move on to other boates / parties if they feel the club is quiet.

You don't see an infusion of girls coming in later in the evening like in Scandallo or Casarao, where things get hopping at 10 pm+ (Scandallo) or 12 am+ (Casarao). At Cafe Photo, things die down at 11 pm or so.

I've said I'd not return to Cafe Photo more than once, but curiosity sometimes gets me to go back. Apparently, I like to give second, third and fourth chances.

Cafe Photo is a decent change of pace for regular Scandallo visitors, but be prepared to move on to another boate after your visit. Thankfully, Bomboa is nearby and Bahamas and Gauguin Club are like a 10 min Uber away.

Speaking of Gauguin Club, has anyone been there recently? Thinking of checking out out on my next trip, along with Bahamas.

It has the layout of a boate, but operates as a clinica during the day. There is a small lobby area when you enter with a sofa to the side, so you can sit and ask for a presentation lineup when you enter.

Alternatively, you can do inside the club and walk around. The girls see usually chilling at the sofas in the main lounge area, although some might be in the restaurant in the back or the smoking area off to the side. There is also a bar in the lounge area that you can order drinks. The place isn't posh and the decor a bit dated. Almost like a low key bar and lounge you would find in a small town.

I've visited about 4 x, 3 x during the day and 1 x at night (around 10 pm). The talent level is on par with the other clinicas in the area. There were between 6 to 10 girls during the day. Some other punters have said it can get busier in the evening, especially after 9 pm, when other girls from other Moema clinicas finish their shift and move over to here to finish their night at 57. I didn't find that to be the case during my one evening visit, as I still only saw about 8-10 girls at 9 pm (think it was on a Thursday or Friday).

At night (after 7 or 8 pm), it operates as a boate and you negotiate with the girl directly. I forgot whether there was an admission or minimum consumption or not, but if there was, it was minimal (R 50 or less). I didn't take anyone onsite during my visits, but always saw one girl I was interested in. The reason I didn't was due to me being with friends they were always interested in the same girl! I always deferred to them and let them do the test drive. I did get the digits of the girls from my friends after their session, if they had a good time, and saw the girls outside the club. One girl stood out there for me and she works there from time to time. Her name is Maya / Mya / Mia.

When I don't have time to get a SIM card I use wifi calling from a USA based plan I keep. There is no cost to place or receive calls to or from any phone number worldwide. The catch of cousrse is you have to be connected to wifi. Google FI works but I recommend people who want to use it read the privacy policy and use agreement carefully before diving in.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2793763]What about 57 Friends Club. I guess it's a lower brow vibe, but so convenient to my hotel. Any thoughts on that? Also why is Cafe Photo so low ranked. I thought it was quite high end but maybe past it's prime?

P.S. For SIM card guy I second that Google FI rocks. Phone works all over the world and you don't have to do zip. Well worth not hassling for SIMs as I am usually only in town a couple days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2794034]When I don't have time to get a SIM card I use wifi calling from a USA based plan I keep. There is no cost to place or receive calls to or from any phone number worldwide. The catch of cousrse is you have to be connected to wifi. Google FI works but I recommend people who want to use it read the privacy policy and use agreement carefully before diving in.[/QUOTE]I used to rely on Wi-Fi but some bad experiences:

1. Almost missed hooking up with my Campinas boate girl in London because London City Wi-Fi was out. That would have been a disaster.

2. Navigating Incall in London. You can start directions at your hotel and they still work disconnected. But if one thing goes wrong you are fucked.

3. Same thing trying to find this tiny unmarked massage place in Berlin. Hopping into cafes and trying to get signal. A nightmare.

$70/ month is a total steal for as much as I see girls internationally.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2794014] Speaking of Gauguin Club, has anyone been there recently? Thinking of checking out out on my next trip, along with Bahamas.[/QUOTE]Last April 2022, I was with another favorite repeat girl whom I had originally met in Bomboa on an earlier trip in Fall 2021. We were now seeing each other around once a week at my hotel. She had become one of my regulars. On this particular night I was staying at the Hilton which is a block down the street from Gauguin. At some point in the evening Licia asked me if I had ever been to Gauguin. I told her I had not and then asked her if she had been there. She said she occasionally went there and sometimes it was good (from her point of view; ha ha) meaning there were plenty of customers and she found some to her satisfaction. So, that is what originally sparked my interest because Licia is a smokin' hot branca spinner who occasionally advertises in Club Model and I am interested in any place that has more girls like her. KKK. Sadly she was on tour in Europe with her bisexual GF and I did not have an opportunity to see her on my last visit in Oct / Nov 2022. But she is back in SP now and I am pretty sure we will get together again in May.

So, I finally went to Gauguin Club one time in Nov, 2022. But it was on the night of some national holiday or something and there were only a few girls out and about anywhere. My story that night starts at Bomboa where I had prearranged to hook up with another favorite repeat girl early. Rafaela was taking the bus later that night to RJ to be with her mother and daughter over the holiday weekend. She was waiting for me at a table when I arrived. It was early, but I noticed there were less than 10 girls hanging around the entire first floor and even fewer customers. I had never seen Bomboa so quiet.

Anyway, Rafaela and I had a Gin Tropical and then we went upstairs. Afterward boom boom we had a light dinner together and then she gathered her stuff and headed for the bus terminal. I hung around Bomboa a while, but the place was dead and I got bored, so I paid my tab and left. But while I was waiting outside for my Uber ride, I noticed there were 2 girls standing outside discussing what to do. They smiled at me. I smiled back so we began conversing. We agreed that Bomboa was dead and I asked the girls where they were going. One of them said they were thinking of going to Gauguin Club to see if it was livelier over there. I told the girls I was heading to the Gran Estanplaza Berrini Hotel which is right across the street from Gauguin and I could give them a ride if they wanted.

So long story short, the 3 of us headed over to Gauguin in the back seat of my Uber. I have to admit that I got a little frisky with the girls and they me, but I parted with them at the Gauguin's front desk. The entry fee and drinks are priced similar to Casarao. Everybody was very friendly. After registering at the front desk I walked thru the doors to the main bar area which was a large cavernous 2 story space with a long bar running down one side and a stage on the other side. There were maybe 5 or 6 girls sitting at the bar and counting the 2 girls I just came with, there were approximately 8 girls, no more than 10 in the entire place. But I was not expecting much since it was a holiday and I had just seen how low on girls Bomboa was that night. Thus, I took that into consideration and I did not hold it against the bar. But the bar room was very dark. I mean VERY DARK and I could not make out the faces of girls sitting 10 feet away from me at the bar. I ordered a drink and a couple of girls came over to see if I wanted company. Even close up it was not easy to get a good determining look, but I was pretty sure these two were not for me. KKK.

Eventually I noticed the girls that I had arrived with had taken care of their business and had entered the bar. I meandered over to where they were sitting, sat down with them, and sipped my drink. The girls were cool and did not hit me up for a drink. For a second or two I contemplated taking them up to my hotel room across the street, since they were the best looking girls currently in the joint, but I quickly decided they were a little sub-par and not for me. So, I said bye bye, went to the front desk and paid my tab.

The girl at the front desk apologized and said things were slow tonight but I should come back another night. I said I would, but I have not returned yet. One of these days I will go back just to make sure about this place. What I know already is that Gauguin is definitely not an upscale club. KKK. The question is, however, is this honky tonk a viable pick up joint ie a smaller version of Casarua or not. I will find out in May.

As I said, you have to have WIFI. As everyone knows, it is not always available. Your #2 went over my head because you can download maps for offline use so you don't need WIFI or mobile data. Most of my girl calling happens over WhatsApp anyway. I guess I should not assume it is the same for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2794067]I used to rely on Wi-Fi but some bad experiences:

1. Almost missed hooking up with my Campinas boate girl in London because London City Wi-Fi was out. That would have been a disaster.

2. Navigating Incall in London. You can start directions at your hotel and they still work disconnected. But if one thing goes wrong you are fucked.

3. Same thing trying to find this tiny unmarked massage place in Berlin. Hopping into cafes and trying to get signal. A nightmare.

$70/ month is a total steal for as much as I see girls internationally.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2794067]I used to rely on Wi-Fi but some bad experiences:

1. Almost missed hooking up with my Campinas boate girl in London because London City Wi-Fi was out. That would have been a disaster.

2. Navigating Incall in London. You can start directions at your hotel and they still work disconnected. But if one thing goes wrong you are fucked.

3. Same thing trying to find this tiny unmarked massage place in Berlin. Hopping into cafes and trying to get signal. A nightmare.

$70/ month is a total steal for as much as I see girls internationally.[/QUOTE]I once had a strange situation with WhatsApp in Sao Paulo. I get dropped off at the girl's building. Radio silence. I start to worry that she blew off our appointment. The concierge didn't speak a word of English over the intercom. So there I am in Jardim Paulista standing on the sidewalk with Viagra kicking in. I decide to go to the lunch counter on the corner and have a drink, regroup. Another escort? Clinica perhaps.

Anyway, she WhatsApps me 30-40 minutes later and says the system was down. She's right because I couldn't get any responses from any other escorts nearby. Fortunately, her schedule was open that afternoon and we hooked up for two hours. She was a tall, gorgeous mulata (self-advertised). Great smile. I think she advertised "samba school style". I would love to see her in a samba outfit.

After a couple years of fantastic Gpguia reviews, she disappeared shortly after our appointment. I'm guessing she went to Europe to work as she had done before or she became a sugar baby.

So besides noting the Whatsapp issue, I'm noting you can find great escorts in SP if you put in the time to do some research.

My photos make her look thicker than she really was. She had an amazing slim waist.

Yes, 3 or 4 times before pandemics the country got stopped because of Whatsapp interruption service. A brazilian telecom company made a demand against whatsapp arguing it was a unlawful contestant of telephony service and Judges declared it a funded demand.

I didn't notice any interruption last November-December.

* Nice morena you fucked!!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2794121]I once had a strange situation with WhatsApp in Sao Paulo. I get dropped off at the girl's building. Radio silence. I start to worry that she blew off our appointment. The concierge didn't speak a word of English over the intercom. So there I am in Jardim Paulista standing on the sidewalk with Viagra kicking in. I decide to go to the lunch counter on the corner and have a drink, regroup. Another escort? Clinica perhaps.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.

The outside parking area is similar to Cafe Photo. Inside is a pool theme setup. It's similar to the outside patio of Scandallo but there is a pool in the middle. A huge screen TV by the pool with a football match playing. It has one bar open when I was there. It's not a large place but it felt pretty nice.

I went on a slow night late. There wasn't many girls or customers. Most girls dressed very slutty in tight hooker dress that screamed hooker. This I don't like, It reminded me of the seedy red light area in Medellin. LOL Girl quality varies, I think I saw two that I had no problem taking.

I took one who has a slender body with proportion like a model. I considered her one of the hottest girls I have known in Sao Paulo. She said she was new and stayed in the room provided by the club. Her rate was 300 for 30 minutes and 450 for an hour. The room was 120 for an hour. She is a good kisser, but the session was rushed. I was tired of telling her we had one hour and what to do so I finished while I could. I was struggling sex with condom a little bit as she didn't make effort to keep me aroused, and I had not used condom for a while. This reminded me of Scandallo. Despite how much I had to pay, never a bad session there.

There are street girls right outside the club. I did not talk to them but I saw them when I arrived and when I left. The quality is not good.

I go to a restaurants not far away regularly. I might come again since I am already out in the same area.

I did my best to gather information.

[B]Room: [/B] 120/ HR. The room quality is about the same as Moema clinica but with mirrors on the ceiling and on the wall.

[B]Cover: [/B] 60 before 7 PM, 120 after 10 PM. It is open everyday

[B]Happy Hour: [/B]

If you take a girl before 10 PM. It's 249 all in, that includes the room, the cost of the girl and the cover. I think this is a good deal. Keep in mind, if you take the girl after 10 PM, then this does not apply.

[B]Location: [/B] google Caster Club Sao Paulo

Some sample drink price attached.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794620]It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.

It has one bar open when I was there. It's not a large place but it felt pretty nice.

I went on a slow night late. There wasn't many girls or customers. Most girls dressed very slutty in tight hooker dress that screamed hooker.

I took one who has a slender body with proportion like a model. I considered her one of the hottest girls I have known in Sao Paulo. She said she was new and stayed in the room provided by the club. Her rate was 300 for 30 minutes and 450 for an hour. The room was 120 for an hour. She is a good kisser, but the session was rushed. I was tired of telling her we had one hour and what to do so I finished while I could. I was struggling sex with condom a little bit as she didn't make effort to keep me aroused, and I had not used condom for a while. This reminded me of Scandallo. Despite how much I had to pay, never a bad session there.[/QUOTE]Thank you for posting this report. I always like hearing about Boates that I have never been to. Too bad about your girl's lack of enthusiasm performance. I guess it can happen even in SP. KKK. But it is a long fucking trek out there. It's out past Connection! The girls should be raring to go a round. Oh well. So, what is the name of the restaurant nearby that is one of your favorites?

Looks nice and half the way to the airport, red line of the metro and very convenient for a pit stop scale in Sao Paulo.

If the club is paying her apt, may be they are bringing talent from the interior.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794620]It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.

The outside parking area is similar to Cafe Photo. Inside is a pool theme setup. It's similar to the outside patio of Scandallo but there is a pool in the middle. A huge screen TV by the pool with a football match playing. It has one bar open when I was there. It's not a large place but it felt pretty nice.

[/QUOTE]

Has anyone figured out why it's so hard to get a SIM card for non Brazilians. Mexico is so easy. Get a number for your trip at oxxo and discard it when you leave. No trace you existed.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794620]

I did my best to gather information.

[B]Room: [/B] 120/ HR. The room quality is about the same as Moema clinica but with mirrors on the ceiling and on the wall.

[B]Cover: [/B] 60 before 7 PM, 120 after 10 PM. It is open everyday

[B]Happy Hour: [/B]

If you take a girl before 10 PM. It's 249 all in, that includes the room, the cost of the girl and the cover. I think this is a good deal. Keep in mind, if you take the girl after 10 PM, then this does not apply.

[B]Location: [/B] google Caster Club Sao Paulo

Some sample drink price attached.[/QUOTE]Interesting find. It's close to (at least in the same direction as) as connection boate and hope spa clinica. So next time, may be worth a field trip. The happy hour deal would be great if the hot girls are there before 10 p. On google tracker, looks like a late night place and busy until the morning. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794620]It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.
[B]Location: [/B] google Caster Club Sao Paulo[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to venture to a seldom mentioned Boate and post your experience. It's refreshing to be able to add an additional Boate to the already established SP list.

Hope you get a better performer on your next visit.

What's the name of the favorite restaurant you mentioned in your post? (You can PM me if you don't want to broadcast/post)

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2794661].... Too bad about your girl's lack of enthusiasm performance. I guess it can happen even in SP. KKK..., what is the name of the restaurant nearby that is one of your favorites?[/QUOTE]I was just trying to check out the place and not hoping for anything. I took her because she was exactly what I like in appearance. I kind of knew before hand she might not be good but I wanted to check out the room. LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2794735]...What's the name of the favorite restaurant you mentioned in your post?...[/QUOTE]Google [B]mocoto sao paulo[/B]. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like [B]carne de sol[/B] that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794762]

The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. Google [B]mocoto sao paulo[/B], it should come up. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try [B]carne de sol[/B] that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I heard about this restaurant. Anthony Bourdain raved about it on one of his SP episodes. Never been there, but I think it would be a good to have a bite at Mocoto and then hit up Caster Club and / or Connection.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794762]I was just trying to check out the place and not hoping for anything. I took her because she was exactly what I like in appearance. I kind of knew before hand she might not be good but I wanted to check out the room. LOL.

Google [B]mocoto sao paulo[/B]. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like [B]carne de sol[/B] that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I looked at the menu, I just wish I could match menu items against the photos. Since some things look appetizing versus the menu description. Looks like restaurant has won some prestigious culinary listings and awards. Looks like a restaurant to check out if I'm in that area on next trip! Thanks Again!!

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2794711]Has anyone figured out why it's so hard to get a SIM card for non Brazilians. Mexico is so easy. Get a number for your trip at oxxo and discard it when you leave. No trace you existed.[/QUOTE]For a Brazilian SIM card the law requires a CPF which is a Brazil taxpayer and identity number. When you buy a SIM from a tourist-friendly phone shop (or a friendly newsagent willing to help you out) they will generally use their own CPF to activate it.

Basically any CPF will work, it's just for purchase, not usage.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794762]

Google [B]mocoto sao paulo[/B]. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like [B]carne de sol[/B] that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.[/QUOTE]Both the girls I was with on my last trip suggested this place. But I wasn't interested in spending 45 mins in traffic each way. It might be a good option if I am coming in from GRU or going to GRU.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2794711]Has anyone figured out why it's so hard to get a SIM card for non Brazilians. Mexico is so easy. Get a number for your trip at oxxo and discard it when you leave. No trace you existed.[/QUOTE]I was able to get a Claro sim card with only my US passport at the Frei Caneca Mall in Sao Paulo 3 weeks ago. It was a pain, as for some reason they couldn't process my credit card and wouldn't take cash. We had to go next door to the Pharmacia to process the payment? The pharmacia woulnd't take credit card so I had to pay in cash. I just accepted the whole process as the Brazilian way. LOL I paid R110 for 14 GB data good for one month. This left me with R68 in credits to recharge again next month.

The contract doesn't have CPF number on it nor my passport number. Blank fields. Currently in Rio bad has worked great so far.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794762]Google [B]mocoto sao paulo[/B]. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like [B]carne de sol[/B] that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.[/QUOTE]Anthony Bourdain raved about the place: "Mocotó is the ultimate in broke-ass, drunk-ass peasant food. ".

Hello everyone,

I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

CW.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2794878]... We had to go next door to the Pharmacia to process the payment? The pharmacia woulnd't take credit card so I had to pay in cash. ....[/QUOTE]I think they took you to pharmacia to get the prepaid plan. They usually don't sell it at their own store.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2794774]Thanks, I looked at the menu, I just wish I could match menu items against the photos. Since some things look appetizing versus the menu description. Looks like restaurant has won some prestigious culinary listings and awards. Looks like a restaurant to check out if I'm in that area on next trip! Thanks Again!![/QUOTE]I usually show pictures to the waiter for them to point out the menu item. On the street, I would start taking pictures first. I show the picture of what I want to the vendor after I know what they serve.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2794989]Hello everyone,

I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated..[/QUOTE]I imagine if your hygiene is good and don't look like Charles Manson you will be fine.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2794989]Hello everyone,

I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

CW.[/QUOTE]No worries mate. The girls will love you as long as your hygiene is decent, as TjBrazil points out, you are not slovenly or physically gross and you are a friendly guy. When a girl asks me how old I am I just say 50. It's no big deal and I have been saying I am 50 for at least the last 15 years. KKK. One of the most positive things about this little sport of ours is that it gives guys like us a strong incentive to take care of themselves and to stay in shape. Mongering is good for your health.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2795160]I imagine if your hygiene is good and don't look like Charles Manson you will be fine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2794989]Hello everyone,

I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

CW.[/QUOTE]I am in good shape and in my mid 70's. I have been to Scandalo on three occasions and had no problems with being rejected. I had numerous garotas approach me during each visit.

At Scandallo, look is absolutely worthless compared money. Girls go there for money, not for looks. If they want looks. They would be going somewhere else. Just dress decent and youll be OK.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2794989]Hello everyone,

I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

CW.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fewdie;2795242]At Scandallo, look is absolutely worthless compared money. Girls go there for money, not for looks. If they want looks. They would be going somewhere else. Just dress decent and youll be OK.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's true. However, I would still tell a foreigner in his 40's with decent looks that some of the women will be extra attentive.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2794878]I was able to get a Claro sim card with only my US passport at the Frei Caneca Mall in Sao Paulo 3 weeks ago. It was a pain, as for some reason they couldn't process my credit card and wouldn't take cash. We had to go next door to the Pharmacia to process the payment? The pharmacia woulnd't take credit card so I had to pay in cash. I just accepted the whole process as the Brazilian way. LOL I paid R110 for 14 GB data good for one month. This left me with R68 in credits to recharge again next month.

The contract doesn't have CPF number on it nor my passport number. Blank fields. Currently in Rio bad has worked great so far.[/QUOTE]Are you saying if I go to a pharmacy, I can buy a SIM card and activate with no Brazil social security number.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2795191]. One of the most positive things about this little sport of ours is that it gives guys like us a strong incentive to take care of themselves and to stay in shape. Mongering is good for your health.[/QUOTE]This is so true. I am in astoundingly better shape than I was at 45. Why? One reason only. Girls! If I'm going to date 23 year olds on a regular basis (given some incentive) then I better bring my A game. And I do. Well. Maybe a B+. 😆.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2794762]
Google [B]mocoto sao paulo[/B]. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like [B]carne de sol[/B] that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review. I've been wanting to go here during my past few trips after lots of folks recommend the place. But I never bothered as I didn't want to bother with a 1. 5 to 2 HR RT Uber for a meal. And SP has tons of amazing places to eat at.

I usually arrive in SP in the early morning so stopping by from GRU to the hotel would require a 2 HR wait, which I wouldn't tolerate. I also don't want to waste my last few hours of fun at SP at a restaurant before my night time departures. However, my trip next week has a later flight arrival time so plan to drop by for lunch when they open.

I do plan to check out the Carne de Sol and order a tons of stuff and just try a bit of everything. The pricing is pretty low for a Michelin star restaurant as well.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2794989]Hello everyone,I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2795191]No worries mate. The girls will love you as long as your hygiene is decent, as [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2795160&viewfull=1#post2795160][b]TjBrazil[/b][/url] points out, you are not slovenly or physically gross and you are a friendly guy. [b]One of the most positive things about this little sport of ours is that it gives guys like us a strong incentive to take care of themselves and to stay in shape. Mongering is good for your health.[/b][/QUOTE]All good reply's to [B]CanadaWet[/B]. However, I would say Scandallo girls are after the "Look of Money" not physical looks!! LOL! You will be fine every time I visited there were always a "Few Good Aged Men" having fun. So go and enjoy and report back your experience.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2795328]All good reply's to [B]CanadaWet[/B]. However, I would say Scandallo girls are after the "Look of Money" not physical looks!! LOL! You will be fine every time I visited there were always a "Few Good Aged Men" having fun. So go and enjoy and report back your experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks everyone for your feedback. That is great news, all lights are go. I will book a flight.

15 years ago I used to frequent 4 x4 and Helpe. From what I gather Scandalo is the closest thing in Brazil today to what Helpe was 15 years ago. Will report back after my trip.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2795265]Are you saying if I go to a pharmacy, I can buy a SIM card and activate with no Brazil social security number.[/QUOTE]I was at the Claro store in that mall and they processed the payment at the pharmacia. Have no idea why. But just went along with it. The contract doesn't show my passport number or any CPF number.

[QUOTE=Buffer;2795205]I am in good shape and in my mid 70's. I have been to Scandalo on three occasions and had no problems with being rejected. I had numerous garotas approach me during each visit.[/QUOTE]That's a plus in Brazil. Try that in Thailand now. In Thailand your rejection rate because of age and race might be high as 80%. In Brazil all girls in a venue are ready to talk business with any male customer. In other words, if a club lets a customer in, the customer is good enough, period.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2794989]Hello everyone,

I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

CW.[/QUOTE]I am 65 and have sp girlfriends that want to keep touch from 19 to 40. I do make sure I am clean, do not use any smelly stuff and treat them nice. I do not give out extravagant money but will help where I can. Last trip I took down a few nice back packs and gave them. They really liked that. My first wingman there was 70 and he was really loved.

Point is sp women appear to honestly like and revere older american men. In the good ole USA I am invisible.

[QUOTE=XXL;2795583]That's a plus in Brazil. Try that in Thailand now. In Thailand your rejection rate because of age and race might be high as 80%. In Brazil all girls in a venue are ready to talk business with any male customer. In other words, if a club lets a customer in, the customer is good enough, period.[/QUOTE]80% is high. Remember these girls love money. He may just have to pay more than the younger and Asian blokes.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2795607]I am 65 and have sp girlfriends that want to keep touch from 19 to 40. I do make sure I am clean, do not use any smelly stuff and treat them nice. I do not give out extravagant money but will help where I can. Last trip I took down a few nice back packs and gave them. They really liked that. My first wingman there was 70 and he was really loved.

Point is sp women appear to honestly like and revere older american men. In the good ole USA I am invisible.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Especially the part about the good ole USA, LOL.

These SA girls appreciate guys of any age, shape, color and size if they are nice to them.

Cleanliness plays a big part as well, and generosity never hurts, LOL.

What is the dress code to enter boates? A friend who has been to SP few months ago told me a blazer is necessary to get in.

Also, is tipping normal in restaurants and to girls in clinicas and boates girls?

I'll be in SP for the week. I have a pretty extensive list of fun thanks to this board. What else is there to do in SP besides leave my DNA all over the place?

I am coming to SP for only the second time. The first time was for a job interview and I only got a couple Clínicas in (Abbabora and Tangara. Reports in the forum from a few years ago). This time I have a bit more time and freedom. I am planning my first trip to Scandallo on Thursday night. I am trying to decide if I try Casarao or Bamboa for Friday night. I plan to go back to Abbabora on Thursday because I had one of the best experiences there. Cutest girl I have ever done. I am staying a little north and was considering trying a clinica in Pompeia. Aneesh or another. Anyone try one up there?

Then I am off to Camboriu and Floripa etc. That looks a little less convenient except for online from what I can tell and I am travelling with someone who may not be up for that sort of fun. But if you have recommendations for that area I would be appreciative just in case. I need outcall or clinica style. I look forward to reporting back.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2795864]I'll be in SP for the week. I have a pretty extensive list of fun thanks to this board. What else is there to do in SP besides leave my DNA all over the place?[/QUOTE]I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or Fogo do chao. Barbacoa is located in Itaim Biti, great area to stay and there may restaurant tne shops. Fogo to chao, you can find in may places in SP. The way it works is like this. You get a seat and you have a card / plat with Green and Red color in the back. You use it to indicate you want to be serve with meats as the staff keep bringing different type of part of the meats. If it is Green, then they will offer it, but when you want to pause and digest what you already have, you turn it to Red so they don't bother you offering more.

The price is not that expensive but not cheat. If you meet some girls, you may propose having a dinner on those places, and then enjoy the time together. That experience may help you be more close to the girl and then you get GFE experience.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2795852]What is the dress code to enter boates? A friend who has been to SP few months ago told me a blazer is necessary to get in.

Also, is tipping normal in restaurants and to girls in clinicas and boates girls?[/QUOTE]Nope. You definitely don't need a blazer. A pair of nice jeans and a nice polo shirt is good enough. I think being clean and smelling good is more important. Some restaurants charge a service charge so you don't need to tip unless the service was amazing. If the restaurant doesn’t add a service charge, then 10-15% is more than enough. Tipping the girls is your choice after the deed. Please do not tip the girls for just sitting and talking.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2795887]Tipping the girls is your choice after the deed. Please do not tip the girls for just sitting and talking.[/QUOTE]Yeah one time I was sitting at a table in the nightclub and two hotties stopped by to talk to me. We exchanged pleasantries and all that and had a short conversation, after which time they requested a tip for the both of them! I was like no way, and they feigned surprise. Got to be kidding me right I was thinking! Here's a "tip" for you. GTFOH! That's only happened to me once at Scandallo. Maybe they thought because I was a gringo they could get something for much of nothing. Think again! Be cool and I like you and we're vibing and I [B]might[/B] buy you a drink as a precursor to going to the room. But you won't be getting any tips (other than being told where to go) for granting me the pleasure of a short conversation with you.

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Tipping for nothing, NO.

I do purchase girl's underwear.

"I want to buy your thong. What about R50 ?" (and sometimes more).

It's funny to see them making the math "my thong costs R10 . Or R50" .

I touched so many clits under the tables after purchasing girl's underwear. In Brasil, Chile, Colombia. Etc etc.

If the girl is going to perform something out of the script, a tip is up to you. I don't know, maybe a challenge like "go dance with that girl and kiss her in the mouth" (that's a very interesting game by the way).

A tip for just talking, NO.

* purchased underwear in the background.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2795895]Yeah one time I was sitting at a table in the nightclub and two hotties stopped by to talk to me. We exchanged pleasantries and all that and had a short conversation, after which time they requested a tip for the both of them! I was like no way, and they feigned surprise. Got to be kidding me right I was thinking! Here's a "tip" for you. GTFOH! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2795887]Tipping the girls is your choice after the deed. Please do not tip the girls for just sitting and talking.[/QUOTE]Anaggie, I have never tipped a Boate, Clinica, or Terma girl. When I first started visiting Brazil, I was prepared to tip my girls who performed well, but none of them asked for tip let alone acted like such a strange custom even existed, so I quickly realized that Brazil is not a tipping culture. And since we are visitors to this bountiful feast, the last thing any of us should do is act differently than the locals and call attention to ourselves. Local men tolerate our presence in their bordellos. We should not do anything to make our presence at these establishments unwelcome. This is why I strongly come down on the no tipping side.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2795895]Yeah, one time I was sitting at a table in the nightclub and two hotties stopped by to talk to me. We exchanged pleasantries and all that and had a short conversation, after which time they requested a tip for the both of them! I was like no way, and they feigned surprise. Got to be kidding me right I was thinking! Here's a "tip" for you. GTFOH! That's only happened to me once at Scandallo. Maybe they thought because I was a gringo they could get something for much of nothing. Think again! Be cool and I like you and we're vibing and I [B]might[/B] buy you a drink as a precursor to going to the room. But you won't be getting any tips (other than being told where to go) for granting me the pleasure of a short conversation with you.[/QUOTE]Like I said, I have never had a Brazilian girl straight out ask for a tip, a money tip, but a small minority of girls have tried to get more from me than what was agreed to.

1. Pay in Advance: this has been tried on me occasionally by some escorts. I always refuse, but I have been willing to show the girl my money and even place the $$$ on a table saying this is yours afterwards. I have only had 2 girls walk out. I am glad they did. KKK.

2. The Upsell: yeah, this has been tried on me occasionally. 2 a) A girl will offer anal for 100 BR more or something like that. I usually say no, but the one time I said yes, holly fuck! The girl had the best asshole I have had. KKK. 2 b) More $$$ for BBFS. This upsell is hard to say no too. In fact, I am the one who usually asks for it.

3. Girl asks for a non-monetary form of a tip after boom boom. One version of this technique has been tried on me by 2 Scandallo girls. The set up goes like this: as we are leaving the room the girl asks if I will buy her dinner for later. Ha Ha. This move offends me. It is one thing if I invite a girl to have dinner or a drink with me after a session because I like her and enjoy her company, but it is quite different when the girl brings it up and even worse if she is not asking to have dinner with me but is asking me to pay for her dinner that she will have later. It is unbelievable and I always say no.

4. But what I don't mind is buying drinks for my girls while we are getting acquainted in the bar or fooling around in the room. I consider these additional expenditures part of having a good time. I also go along with small requests like for a pack of cigarettes or a vape, but only with girls I know and like. Then sometimes the girls have a surprise gift for me. I have never turned down a girl's offer to smoke a joint before we get it on. KKK.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2796041]Anaggie, I have never tipped a Boate, Clinica, or Terma girl. When I first started visiting Brazil, I was prepared to tip my girls who performed well, but none of them asked for tip let alone acted like such a strange custom even existed, so I quickly realized that Brazil is not a tipping culture. And since we are visitors to this bountiful feast, the last thing any of us should do is act differently than the locals and call attention to ourselves. Local men tolerate our presence in their bordellos. We should not do anything to make our presence at these establishments unwelcome. This is why I strongly come down on the no tipping side.
[/QUOTE]I also have never tipped a girl in Brazil at the club or afterwards. I always pay what we agreed upon. That is why I said "your choice" after the deed. Everyone is different and behaves differently in situations. I always tip 10% in the restaurants if there isn't a service charge already added. But if the service is over the top, then I tip a bit more. I don't care what the locals might think or not since this is "my choice".

Asking for "dinner for later" is a form of a tip — they think they performed well and deserve it. It is your choice if you want to buy it or not. Some might. Some might not. If I am hungry after the fact, I might entertain it.

[QUOTE=HogeHoge;2795876]I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or Fogo do chao. Barbacoa is located in Itaim Biti, great area to stay and there may restaurant tne shops. Fogo to chao, you can find in may places in SP. The way it works is like this. You get a seat and you have a card / plat with Green and Red color in the back. You use it to indicate you want to be serve with meats as the staff keep bringing different type of part of the meats. If it is Green, then they will offer it, but when you want to pause and digest what you already have, you turn it to Red so they don't bother you offering more.

The price is not that expensive but not cheat. If you meet some girls, you may propose having a dinner on those places, and then enjoy the time together. That experience may help you be more close to the girl and then you get GFE experience.

Have fun![/QUOTE]I appreciate this info thank you. I will add it to the list of restaurants to check out.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2796150]I also have never tipped a girl in Brazil at the club or afterwards. I always pay what we agreed upon. That is why I said "your choice" after the deed. Everyone is different and behaves differently in situations. [/QUOTE]Agree. The only times I have tipped girls in SP is for BBFS. Most of these times the girls just do it without asking for a tip or us discussing it beforehand. It was my choice to tip and show my appreciation and let the girls know what can be expected if we repeat and she goes the extra mile.

[QUOTE=HogeHoge;2795876]I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or fogo de Chao. If you meet some girls, you may propose having a dinner on those places, and then enjoy the time together. That experience may help you be more close to the girl and then you get GFE experience.
Have fun![/QUOTE]Churrascaria is better with a group. On one of my first trip to SP, I wanted to try fogo de Chao on my last day before I flew out. So I ask a Scandallo girl, who I had one room before, if she wanted to go. I told her I'll pay for the dinner, and nothing else since I was going straight to the airport, so no sex. She asked if she bring a scandallo friend. I said sure. It was fabulous fun, 2 hot scandallo girls and me. They got so drunk. It did cost money, but its my nature to buy dinner and drinks for my friends in states, so I didn't mind. On future trips I would always hit up the first girl, it became our thing to do a dinner date and sex for the cost of one hour. She mentioned she wanted to do weekend trips to beach but she left to work in Europe and Dubai before we could. Sadly our paths haven't cross since.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-resume-visa-requirements-us-japan-australia-canada-sources-2023-03-08/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2796150]I also have never tipped a girl in Brazil at the club or afterwards. I always pay what we agreed upon. That is why I said "your choice" after the deed. Everyone is different and behaves differently in situations. I always tip 10% in the restaurants if there isn't a service charge already added. But if the service is over the top, then I tip a bit more. I don't care what the locals might think or not since this is "my choice".

Asking for "dinner for later" is a form of a tip they think they performed well and deserve it. It is your choice if you want to buy it or not. Some might. Some might not. If I am hungry after the fact, I might entertain it.[/QUOTE]I can't recall ever being asked for a tip by a provider in Brazil. I have found that the girls who ask for tips usually provide the lamest service. In the DR and Europe they ask "You give me tips?" No way baby.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2796152]I appreciate this info thank you. I will add it to the list of restaurants to check out.[/QUOTE]It's all you can eat so keep that in mind.

[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2796217][URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-resume-visa-requirements-us-japan-australia-canada-sources-2023-03-08/[/URL][/QUOTE]That is rather annoying, but at least I still have a visa that has plenty of years of validity left on it before expiration.

[QUOTE=HogeHoge;2795876]I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or Fogo do chao. Barbacoa is located in Itaim Biti, great area to stay and there may restaurant tne shops. Fogo to chao, you can find in many places in SP.![/QUOTE]This is a good recommendation. Everyone should try a few Churrascarias when they come to Brazil. Personally, I prefer Barbacoa over Fogo do Chao. I also prefer steak houses over a Churrascarias because I tend to eat too much in a Churrascaria. So, I like to order one particular cut of meat and see it there on the plate in front of me along with any sides I choose to order. It is more civilized, and I know when to stop. KKK. SP has a lot of great steak houses including a Barbacoa steak house (not Churrascaria style) located in the Nações Unidas Shopping mall. Other great steak houses include Rodeio, Figueira Rubaiyat (not only for steaks), and Pobre Juan. Eat hardy!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2796347]That is rather annoying, but at least I still have a visa that has plenty of years of validity left on it before expiration.[/QUOTE]In the past, it was kind of a minor nuisance if you lived in a city with a Brazilian consulate. They would turn visas around in 24 hours. They would even let you bring in your friends' passports. The lady at the consulate window must have frequently seen guys drop off passports for an all-male crew. Fucking taxes! I mean that both ways it can be interpreted. LOL.

This quote from the article made me chuckle "Brazilian government studies also showed the impact on tourism numbers was minimal, though the arrival of the COVID-19 pandemic may have also limited a potential boost. " Yeah, you think?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796330]It's all you can eat so keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]If one has never been to a churrascaria, it can be overwhelming particularly Fogo de Chão and Barbacoa. I want to try everything. With advancing years, this now becomes my one main meal of the day and I have to do churrascaria earlier in the evening or a late lunch.

I personally cannot have sex within a few hours of indulging.

[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2796182]Churrascaria is better with a group. On one of my first trip to SP, I wanted to try fogo de Chao on my last day before I flew out. So I ask a Scandallo girl, who I had one room before, if she wanted to go. I told her I'll pay for the dinner, and nothing else since I was going straight to the airport, so no sex. She asked if she bring a scandallo friend. I said sure. It was fabulous fun, 2 hot scandallo girls and me. They got so drunk. It did cost money, but its my nature to buy dinner and drinks for my friends in states, so I didn't mind. On future trips I would always hit up the first girl, it became our thing to do a dinner date and sex for the cost of one hour. She mentioned she wanted to do weekend trips to beach but she left to work in Europe and Dubai before we could. Sadly our paths haven't cross since.[/QUOTE]If you are once in zona leste I recommend Garzon 33 and Boizao Grill. Not as high-end as Fogo do Chao but each with their own special atmosphere.

This article says the new visa restrictions will begin to be implemented on October 1, 2023.

[URL]https://g1.globo.com/politica/blog/julia-duailibi/post/2023/03/09/exigencia-de-visto-para-eua-canada-australia-e-japao-vai-comecar-em-1-de-outubro.ghtml[/URL]

The summary is that Scandallo still rules for more beautiful women for the taking than anywhere else on the planet. But the remodeled Casarao is a close second IMO and in some ways I like it better.

I am traveling with my friend Michael who is a bit on the shy side and speaks no Portuguese so I am taking point. We start at 57 Friends Club which some folks had nice things to say about. It was pretty early like 930 or 10 PM and pretty empty.

Facility was actually nicer than I expected. But only 3-4 girls when we arrived and then maybe 3-4 more coming while we enjoyed our Caipirinhas. The girls were all moderately pretty and slim enough — and if I didn't know of better venues I'm sure I could have taken a girl and been happy. But the vibe was all just a bit too chill and slow for us.

Would recommend if you want something quick and easy — have a beer and fuck a girl. Prob a pretty good choice for that agenda. We were however looking for hours of hanging with the hotties, so after one drink we bounced to Scandalo. Total damage at 57 Friends House was 110 R (about $20) for both of us together. So super reasonable. When I was fishing for a small bill at the checkout, the guy said don't worry about it and took 100 R even. Classy! Seems like a solid choice for a chill in and out experience.

Scandallo is still mega. The main club was hopping. And this time the massive back patio was full also. We estimated 200-250 girls in the club and a 4 to 1 ratio of girls to guys from 11 PM-5 AM with a lull where it went more 1:1 maybe around 2 am or so (hotties snapped up). So a truly amazing target rich environment.

Quickly ran into a girl I fucked a year ago who was too pro for my taste and eventually extricated ourselves. We spent literally the first couple hours just scoping and drinking. I could have gone with one of any 5-10 girls at any time and I am super picky at a venue like this.

Had seen a really built cutie in a turquoise halter and tight mini earlier — really pretty face and cute braces. Lost track of her for a while but eventually circled back and sealed the deal. 1000 R.

We had a really nice time in the room but only light kissing. Solid BBBJ. Sex in all varieties I prefer and a nice girlfriendy feel. Tits had man -made underpinnings but solid be cup on top so they actually felt pretty nice. An amazing Brasileira ass to pound in doggie. Super nice. Finally dropped my shot in RCG which was a great view with her classic brasileira bunda.

When I came back, Michael had snagged a real winner. We'the seen her earlier and spoke about her. I came back to find them making out really passionately in the club. I discussed her rate for Michael in Portuguese. Surprisingly she asked how much I want to pay and I said 700 thinking we'the negotiate but she said fine. They made out and we danced a three way sandwich — she was a fun party girl — and then off they went to the room. He reported it was epic.

I waited for them quite some time but eventually grabbed me another hottie. She was clearly late 20's or early 30's but acting sexy dancing and such and we hit it off. Again passionate kissing in the club sealed the deal and off we went. It was actually her first time there and she had to get directions on the procedure. So I was glad I could help her pop her Scandallo cherry!

In room was very passionate with lots of DFK and BBBJ. She has a tight little body and nice natural Bee cups. Great sex all around including Steve 2.

I was stunned to find that not only is she 33 she has a 19 year old son! Wtf? Wow. Great girl and a mom since she was 14. Who woulda guessed. Finally packed it in at 5 Am. That's the draw of Scandallo — you can hang and drink and browse and fuck in a luxe club and do it again and hang for 6 hrs. Not a bad night!

Next night we decided to hit Casarao which had favorable reviews of late. In the end, it gets a high recommend as well. We arrived early — it opens at 10 and we hit it right then. Pretty empty but maybe ten girls pretty quick and you could see the talent level would be fine. And by 11 it was 3/4 packed and got even more packed by 2 am.

Although the girl to guy ratio was more like 1:1 here there were tons of pretty girls. Surely over 100 at peak. Not quite Scandallo but damn fine and outclasses most all other venues I've been to. Super impressed. And girls are half Scandallo price and room less than half. What's not to like?

Michael and I sipped Jack and Coke and waited for things to get started and rolling. Prob around 11 or so two hotties approached and draped themselves on us. Mine was the ultimate sex pot with an amazing ass and a very aggressive hands on approach, whereas Michaels girl was much more demure.

My girl was super aggressive — in a good way — in the bar. Twerking on my dick. Grabbing with her hand from time to time. But highlight was I started feeling her tit and she took my hand and put it under her bra. And later both hands. OMG. She's backed into me, both hands under her bra on those amazing be cups and just fondling the crap out of them in the club. She also slipped down the front of her shorts to show me her cute thong then went farther with a pussy preview. OMG this girl is built — possibly best body ever. Nothing to improve. She wanted 500 R and I didn't argue (sure she would have gone for 400) and off we went.

In the room it's not as good because she's a bit pro. I was prepared for an optifuck but unfortunate to argue over BBBJ and lose. She gave a couple licks and on went the condom for a pretty good CBJ. Oh well. I optifucked her for a good long time in return. All the positions including the Steve and great doggie with that amazing butt. Finished in prone bone. Lots of nice mirrors in the room there added to it.

Michael reported his girl (also 500 R) was great. A real GFE kissing for 20 minutes straight. Also got CBJ tho. He was fairly smitten.

So after my optifuck we hung out a bit and drank and just watched the spectacle. It's packed by 1 or 2 for sure. Like wall to wall bodies both upstairs and downstairs. After a bit I thought what I need is a great BBBJ to end the night. So I started looking for maybe a second tier girl with nice lips who would agree to a CIM.

As luck would have it a girl with amazing double Dees slips into the booth with Michael and me and we chat a bit. She's not the cutest girl in the club but def very attractive and my type. We chat for a while and DFK a bit to test the waters. Very nice.

So emboldened by some drinks I go very direct and I key into the translator "I need the best blowjob in the world — with no condom and suck balls" and she enthusiastically agrees! And add "cum in mouth" to which she says "it is sweet!" And off we go. Was either 500 or 600 R.

The in room experience was everything I could ask for. Making out passionately from the start.

She hops on the bed standing and buries my face in her double Dees. I respond enthusiastically. Nice joint girlfriendy shower with plenty of dick soaping while kissing and off to the bed.

We did fuck in a few positions but the blowjob was epic. Musta blown me for 30 minutes straight. Telling me she loves to suck dick and clearly that is no lie. She is definitely enjoying herself and has amazing and varied technique. And then I got the overpowering urge to fuck her. So I did. And then back to BJ for the finish. OMG. It was heavenly and I shot a huge load in her mouth after an amazing long build. What a girl!

Ended up drinking with her and Michael for another 45 minutes or so. They do have a girl drink system where they give their card along with yours so they get credit. Those are presumably mor expensive but I wasn't keeping track. We bounce around 3 AM.

Summary: For pure eye candy, luxe club and quantity of girls nothing can touch Scandallo. But for a great experience that is well worth the price (about half) Casarao is tops. If I had five days in SP I'the def hit Scandallo once or twice but Casarao would be my new go to.

Finances: As previously reported, Scandallo cover has gone up to 500 but 300 is consumable. So only paid 550 at checkout which included a fair amount of drinking. Spent about 300 on drinks for me and girls at Casarao. Girls were close to 1000 each at Scandallo and 500 at Casarao. Room 250 at Scandallo and 50 or 100 at Casarao depending on time of night I think. So maybe spent close to 3000 R at Scandallo for 6 hrs and two girls. And 1600 at Casarao for 5 hrs and two girls. With Casarao now 80% as good as Scandallo at half the price it would become a real go to for me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2796673]The summary is that Scandallo still rules for more beautiful women for the taking than anywhere else on the planet. But the remodeled Casarao is a close second IMO and in some ways I like it better.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Good Report with updated pricing.

I really like Casarao. Definitely more a party club atmosphere. You can also do 30 minutes or one hour with the girls. 30 minutes room charge is 50 r and one hour is 100 r. For most girls you be able to negotiate down to 400 r for one hour. Some girls like do CBJ so I always confirm with the girl beforehand. Usually bumping up to 500 r does the trick for BBBJ.

[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2796727]I really like Casarao. Definitely more a party club atmosphere. You can also do 30 minutes or one hour with the girls. 30 minutes room charge is 50 r and one hour is 100 r. For most girls you be able to negotiate down to 400 r for one hour. Some girls like do CBJ so I always confirm with the girl beforehand. Usually bumping up to 500 r does the trick for BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Yes, there's zero reason for ever being caught off guard over CBJs (or anything else). Ask about what you want and get that out of the way [B]before[/B] you go to the room. Then enjoy!

Hey Steve, thanks for in-depth report. I'll be heading to SP for the first time in May and this report is exactly the kind of info I need if I want to experience the best of SP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2796673]Summary: For pure eye candy, luxe club and quantity of girls nothing can touch Scandallo. But for a great experience that is well worth the price (about half) Casarao is tops. If I had five days in SP I'the def hit Scandallo once or twice but Casarao would be my new go to.

Finances: As previously reported, Scandallo cover has gone up to 500 but 300 is consumable. So only paid 550 at checkout which included a fair amount of drinking. Spent about 300 on drinks for me and girls at Casarao. Girls were close to 1000 each at Scandallo and 500 at Casarao. Room 250 at Scandallo and 50 or 100 at Casarao depending on time of night I think. So maybe spent close to 3000 R at Scandallo for 6 hrs and two girls. And 1600 at Casarao for 5 hrs and two girls. With Casarao now 80% as good as Scandallo at half the price it would become a real go to for me.[/QUOTE]

I will be passing theu Sao Paaulo and have a layover. Any good casa / brothels close to airport worth visiting?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2793236]Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.
[/QUOTE]Thank you for the informative post. A nice list of 3-4 clubs is exactly what I was looking for.

Another week in SP down, so felt like time to share of recent info.

Based on a recommendation from Axel I made two trips to Bomboas, and I'm very glad I did. Upon arriving at Bomboas a manager / host greeted me, and learning it was my first time gave me a tour of the club and thoroughly explained how everything works. They have R300 entry that is entirely consumable, and rooms are R190. You can pay the girls on a card, but there is a 20% surcharge. Then the host gives you a table and takes care of you for the night. He took my drink orders, and recommended girls. He told me the ones who spoke English, and asked if I wanted him to bring any of them over. On my second trip he also had some pass by so I could see if I like them. The first girl I slept with here was the best sex I've ever had in Sao Paulo, and that's saying a lot. She was passionate, intense, and just an all around great fuck. Nice girl to chat with too. At the end of the night your host takes you to the desk to settle your bill, and they do ask for a tip (10%, 15%, 20% If you paid the girl with a card that's a separate transaction, so you wouldn't be tipping on top of that. I gave him 20%, and as an American it was probably one of the few times when tipping I felt like someone earned every penny of it.

My second trip I saw the first girl again so I had to repeat, and after an incredibly satisfying experience I went back to the table to relax. I figured she might join me once she fixed her makeup and we'd chat and have a drink. I've found that at the high end clubs the girls don't need to see many clients to make their money, and so they're much more willing to hang out before, but also after the session. While I'm hanging out, a really cute 19 year old blonde walks past me and says Hi, and asks if I want company. I explain I just went upstairs, its late, and I think I'm done for the night. She basically said, "So what? Do you want company?" and she was way too cute for me to turn away twice. We sit and talk, mostly via Google translator, and share a drink. She is incredibly flirty, and between the chats we kiss, she dances a bit, and keeps rubbing my cock. At one point she actually gets talked to by the management for going too far. I don't understand Portuguese, but I could tell she was being pretty hostile with the managers about it. Apparently you can pay to have a girl do a public strip show, but she can't just hop on my lap and start grinding away. Again I need to commend the host here, he explained to me the rules and why they had to stop her. He also suggested in a friendly way that I might want to pass on her (he spoke perfect English, she did not). That said she was too hot, and after all the flirting I had to give her a try. Once I decided I wanted to fuck her and we talked price I honestly was not loving her attitude, and I actually did almost walk. Once she saw that she caved immediately, apologized, and off to the room we went. She gave me the best blowjob I've had all trip, but then would only fuck in missionary. Very confusing, but I'm going to assume that's just par for the course for picking a 19 year old. Afterwards the host asks me how she was, and I tell him she was okay. I mention to him there was a girl I wanted to chat with quick before I left, and he went and found her and sent her over. Again the service here is on an entirely different level, and closing out the tab I tip a well earned 15% this time which he appreciated.

At Bomboas the girls, at least all the ones I think are hot, want R1000. If you have a good attitude they will begrudgingly take R800-900, but its very clear to me that R1000 is what they're after. Interestingly unlike Scandallo, nobody swung for the fences and tried to ask for crazy amounts of R1600+. They were all pretty straight forward and opened with R1000-1200. The club is much smaller than Scandallo, but they have a solid talent pool and a great environment.

This week I also made my first stop at Brooklin Club for the trip, and it was a decent time. The entry is something like R20, the rooms are R50, and the girls are R340. There is a 10% surcharge for paying with a card. As was my experience last trip, this club is under the radar enough that they get basically no Americans, and if one of the patrons speaks English there is a great chance they will want to chat you up. This visit a guy and his buddy were more interested in me than the girls were, and even shared their bottle with me. They also introduced me to a few of the girls. As someone who is hypervigilant with zero trust in strangers, its an interesting experience. The club had a lot of girls given the size, probably close to 20, and there was a lot to like. Of course the quality doesn't match up to Bomboa or Scandallo, but of the 20 girls there were a lot of good options in the bunch and for less than half the price. One walked by with a nice ass, a tiny waist, pretty face, and long hair dyed a lighter reddish-brown color who caught my attention. A few minutes later she appears again, and I immediately go introduce myself and take her to the room. The sex was decent for not having much chit chat prior, and based on my past trips I know the girls can be very flirty in the booths which leads to more passionate experiences. This trip the friendly locals had clearly been drinking for a while, and wanted me to hang out with them in their booth with the girls they had. I didn't want to be rude or offend them, so a quick dash to the room seemed like the best way to go.

Finally I want to revise my assessment on the state of 57 Friends. While I haven't been impressed with my random walk ins, I went to an event they advertised one night on the WhatsApp and the lineup was very solid. I didn't even make it past the desk before seeing a pretty blonde who I immediately took upstairs, and she was fantastic. I check their WhatsApp religiously hoping to see her pop up again. There were probably 15 girls that night, and easily five more of them I'd have loved to try out.

I've got about two weeks left here, so I'll do one final report on my way out. Have fun everyone!

[QUOTE=XXL;2795583]That's a plus in Brazil. Try that in Thailand now. In Thailand your rejection rate because of age and race might be high as 80%. In Brazil all girls in a venue are ready to talk business with any male customer. In other words, if a club lets a customer in, the customer is good enough, period.[/QUOTE]I'm African American, I never had any problem in Thailand, never any problem in the German FKK brothels where I was the only black guy, nor the Dubai Russian brothels where I was also the only black guy (aside from the security), never any problem at the Amsterdam RLD, etc. As long as you dress good, hygienic, in shape, and are ready to spend money you're not really going to have a problem. In any country. I recall black mongers who had a blast even in Ukraine and Russia before the war situation.

If I really had to make a distinction, I would say nationality (western citizenship) is more important than race. Generally speaking. And as far as age, Ive seen 80-90 year olds with hot young women in Thailand, Dominican Republic, etc so I dont think age is an issue for any mongering destination.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2796969]As long as you dress good, hygienic, in shape, and are ready to spend money you're not going to have a problem. In any country.[/QUOTE]I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. "Colorism" is known to be alive and well in Thailand, with discriminatory door practices exercised against people of color at some clubs. Either you can't get in, or if you can, it's only after you pay something in advance when whites and east Asians aren't asked to do that. I can agree with you regarding the other countries you mentioned, but not with regard to Thailand. And even then, occasionally there are issues in other places. Most of the vets around here who have mongered in Germany remember FKK Golden Time, a club that was notorious for a discriminatory door policy. Well, the place burned down during the years of the pandemic (arson for insurance maybe who knows). But not missed by equal access loving mongers!

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2796960]Thank you for the informative post. A nice list of 3-4 clubs is exactly what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]I would say start with Bomboa. I've seen the best young sexy chicks gravitate towards black guys like bees on honey haha. Have fun dude!

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2796969]I'm African American, I never had any problem in Thailand, never any problem in the German FKK brothels where I was the only black guy, nor the Dubai Russian brothels where I was also the only black guy (aside from the security), never any problem at the Amsterdam RLD, etc. As long as you dress good, hygienic, in shape, and are ready to spend money you're not really going to have a problem. In any country. I recall black mongers who had a blast even in Ukraine and Russia before the war situation.

If I really had to make a distinction, I would say nationality (western citizenship) is more important than race. Generally speaking. And as far as age, Ive seen 80-90 year olds with hot young women in Thailand, Dominican Republic, etc so I dont think age is an issue for any mongering destination.[/QUOTE]On the Thai friendly dating website half the girls advertise they are seeking men in a certain age bracket, where the maximum age is never more than 60 and can be as low as 30 or 45.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2796961]Another week in SP down, so felt like time to share of recent info.
I've got about two weeks left here, so I'll do one final report on my way out. Have fun everyone![/QUOTE]Good detailed report. Thanks for posting and we look forward to your next report!!

Didn't expect to be posting again so soon, but I decided to spend this rainy Saturday at Casarao. It's the only major club I haven't visited yet so I decided to cross it off my list, however at first glance I'm not a fan. I walk in a little after 11 pm and while there are a decent number of girls (30? There are maybe three that seem appealing. The first thing that strikes me is even at this early hour there is nowhere to sit. I'm not exaggerating when I say there are about 12 chairs in the whole place, plus some bench seating here and there. I find a good looking blonde girl with a rocking body and an okay face, chat for a bit, and invite her to go next door. We get to the hotel and she initially says 30 minutes, but I clarify I wanted an hour and she accepts. However she insists on payment upfront, which I rarely do anywhere, and have done 0 times in Sao Paulo despite three trips and likely 70+ girls. I decide to walk and catch an uber to another club, but I had some questions for the community. As an aside and one point in Casarao's favor, I did see many better looking girls entering the hotel after midnight so in terms of quality I fully believe it picks up around 1-2.

1) Is there a seating option I might have missed? It seems the club is divided into two upper rooms and one lower one, but that's it. Can I pay for reserved seating, maybe one of the booths?

2) Is paying before the session normal here? I can't imagine that would be the standard anywhere in Sao Paulo, but as it is my first time at the club I want to be sure I didn't overreact. If the girl had a better attitude I probably would have let it go, but she was pretty cold so I wasn't open to the idea.

3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ? I've encountered it a grand total of one time before this trip, and I've had three try this visit. I'm not showering any less or smelling anymore, so I don't think it's me, however its a small sample so hard to say.

I do feel like I need to give the place another shot and show up later, but boy was my first go underwhelming. On previous trips I've always shrugged off the advice about negotiating the little things beforehand because it was so infrequently a problem. Brazilian girls just always seemed to have a good attitude that made it unnecessary. However after this one Sao Paulo is starting to feel like Tijuana where I need to spell out all of the details (An exaggeration as 90% of the girls are great, but I do feel like the tide is turning). Thanks.

I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.

Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2797124]

1) Is there a seating option I might have missed? It seems the club is divided into two upper rooms and one lower one, but that's it. Can I pay for reserved seating, maybe one of the booths?

2) Is paying before the session normal here? I can't imagine that would be the standard anywhere in Sao Paulo, but as it is my first time at the club I want to be sure I didn't overreact. If the girl had a better attitude I probably would have let it go, but she was pretty cold so I wasn't open to the idea.

3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ? I've encountered it a grand total of one time before this trip, and I've had three try this visit. I'm not showering any less or smelling anymore, so I don't think it's me, however its a small sample so hard to say.

I do feel like I need to give the place another shot and show up later, but boy was my first go underwhelming. On previous trips I've always shrugged off the advice about negotiating the little things beforehand because it was so infrequently a problem. Brazilian girls just always seemed to have a good attitude that made it unnecessary. However after this one Sao Paulo is starting to feel like Tijuana where I need to spell out all of the details (An exaggeration as 90% of the girls are great, but I do feel like the tide is turning). Thanks.[/QUOTE]A1. The seating is pretty much what you see is what is available. I have seen reserved seating signs on the upper (main) level, but I do not know how you acquire those seats. Ask when you visit again about those specific seating.

A2. For me it's been infrequent to be asked to pay up front. It does happen (once or twice per trip), but I have not had any negative experience from paying up front but, I do make it known that it's not what I prefer to do. I do feel the ones who ask for upfront payment are clock watchers or recently experienced a negative interaction with a client.

A3. No. Pushing CBJ, not even mentioned. (Ask them why? You might get a reasonable answer).

Give Casarao another shot (if you confirm its not your kind of place then you never have to go back LOL!) Relax and take in the views. It's a faster pace than Scandallo but it a great spot IMHO and cheaper. If it's important to you, then always state / negotiate what you want so you don't get into issues in the room especially if they demand upfront payment.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2797137]I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. [b]My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30.[/b] Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.

Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?[/QUOTE]Thin types can be found in SP however other mongers may say other areas of Brazil tend to lend itself to that particular body type.

Generally, you get the initial lineup when you enter. After that when new clients enter a new lineup starts. So, you can pick immediately or pick during the subsequent lineups if you haven't already picked or have a selection in mind. In the intervening time you can generally hang out and linger watch TV have a drink and chill, chat up with non-selectees or with you selectee.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2797137]I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.

Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?[/QUOTE]I go for the same type of girls, preferably 5'7" and above. I see them all over Scandallo, as well as other boates and clinicas. The great thing about Brazil is you see lots of girls with alll of those qualities. Plus with a nice bubble butt / big bunda as well!

At clinicas, you can stay in the waiting area as long as you want, I've had lots of great conversations with other mongers while waiting for a girl or a friend to finish up. Gained lots of advice on who provides good service, etc. I've even encountered one monger who brought his laptop there. As he was working remotely while waiting for his girl to be free!

I've only had 2 girls try to do CBJ on me out of probably 100+ sessions. 1 at was a new and shy clinica girl so I shrugged it off. 2nd time it was a Scandallo girl, which surprised me a tad. So now I make sure I confirm the services I want at the high end boates.

Good Day,

Hopefully someone could help with building an itinerary for me. I've been looking through the forums and gathered a lot of information but haven't been able to get this question answered so hopefully someone can help in time. I'm taking a really quick trip to Sao Paulo. I will arrive Wednesday morning and leave Thursday evening night. Was hoping to set up a mongering split of Wednesday early afternoon, Wednesday night, and then again Thursday early or late afternoon if that makes sense. So three rounds to see the "sights" of Sao Paulo. So was thinking what was the best way to split that 3. I want to hit up Scandallo as it seems like pinnacle. And I'd like to also hit up a combination of a clinica Bomboa or Casarao. So if I was looking to fit in Scandallo into one of the slots, and then another 2 into the other slots, what would be the best way to play it? I guess as far as maximum level of enjoyment / bang for your buck. I procrastinated so rooms are slim now but I'll probably either stay at the Hyatt, Grand Mecure Privilege, or Alamedas. Excuse any mispellings.

Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2797124]...
3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ? I've encountered it a grand total of one time before this trip, and I've had three try this visit. I'm not showering any less or smelling anymore, so I don't think it's me, however its a small sample so hard to say.....[/QUOTE]This is normal at Casarao. I wouldn't call it push but instead it is the default if you don't ask for it. I did not do my homework before visiting. I had similar reaction like you but I did my homework after and found post about this, I think by XXL, so it has been discussed already. The average quality at Casarao is lower so your observation is normal.

Few years ago I made this pit stop in SP. May be of help. Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo are all 15 minutes taxi at night.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2727385&highlight=pit[/URL]+stop#post2727385.

[QUOTE=BeHappy143;2797415]Good Day,

Hopefully someone could help with building an itinerary for me. I've been looking through the forums and gathered a lot of information but haven't been able to get this question answered so hopefully someone can help in time. I'm taking a really quick trip to Sao Paulo. I will arrive Wednesday morning and leave Thursday evening night. Was hoping to set up a mongering split of Wednesday early afternoon, Wednesday night, and then again Thursday early or late afternoon if that makes sense. So three rounds to see the "sights" of Sao Paulo. So was thinking what was the best way to split that 3. I want to hit up Scandallo as it seems like pinnacle. And I'd like to also hit up a combination of a clinica Bomboa or Casarao. So if I was looking to fit in Scandallo into one of the slots, and then another 2 into the other slots, what would be the best way to play it? I guess as far as maximum level of enjoyment / bang for your buck. I procrastinated so rooms are slim now but I'll probably either stay at the Hyatt, Grand Mecure Privilege, or Alamedas. Excuse any mispellings.

Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BeHappy143;2797415]Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you really tried but it took me two seconds.
[URL]https://clinicatangara.negocio.site/[/URL]

Also, the address has been posted on this forum multitude of times that's including the map of clinicas.

[QUOTE=BeHappy143;2797415]...
Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Search [B]Clínica Tangará[/B] on Google map.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2797124]1) Is there a seating option I might have missed?

2) Is paying before the session normal here?

3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ?[/QUOTE]1. Sit anywhere you see available. It's like majority of the clubs, if you want a dedicated spot, you got to pay and that's the upper floor where the VIPs are.

2. Depends on the girl. If the girl doesn't trust you, she'll ask upfront. In my experience, it doesn't matter upfront or at the end, the girl's going to give you her standard of service. What that means is that if she planned on giving you a shit service, you're still going to pay the amount whether you pay upfront or at the end.

3. Depends on the girl. I feel like the younger / newer girl tends to push for CBJ, the older / more experience doesn't care and by older, I means about late 20's and up or has a kid.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2797350]Give Casarao another shot (if you confirm its not your kind of place then you never have to go back LOL!) Relax and take in the views. It's a faster pace than Scandallo but it a great spot IMHO and cheaper. If it's important to you, then always state / negotiate what you want so you don't get into issues in the room especially if they demand upfront payment.[/QUOTE]Unlike at Scandallo or Bomboa, where one hour session is the norm, make clear with the girls at Casarao if you want to stay 40 minutes or one hour with her. 40 minutes sessions are very common there. If you pay 450-500, it should be one hour.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797586]Search [B]Clnica Tangar[/B] on Google map.[/QUOTE]Here: Clinica Tangará - are. Tangará, 200, Vila Mariana.

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2797137]I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.

Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?[/QUOTE]Check my recent post in Rio thread. Monte Carlo is not talked about much but totally a home run for what you seek. All three of us loved it. I had five girls over two days and thrilled with them all. Slim natural and sexy as fuck. A true 9. 5 and a 9 and some nice 8. 5's. Def recommend for what you seek.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2797723]Here: Clinica Tangar - are. Tangar, 200, Vila Mariana.[/QUOTE]Much obliged.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2797577]Few years ago I made this pit stop in SP. May be of help. Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo are all 15 minutes taxi at night.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2727385&highlight=pit[/URL]+stop#post2727385.[/QUOTE]Just read through it. Entertaining read. Thanks for that. I'm going to use this.

ATMs:

Banco 24 horas: Maximum withdrawal 1000 Reais, ATM charge 24 Reais. Schwab automatically refunded 24 Reais at the end of the month.

Santander: Maximum withdrawal 3000 Reais, ATM charge 20 Reais. Schwab automatically refunded 20 Reais at the end of the month.

Bradesco: Maximum withdrawal 2500 Reais per day, no ATM fee.

I am an Asian (brown skin), and I don't speak Portuguese. I almost always have to use translate app.

For the places below, anything before colon is I got from ISG, and anything after colon is my contribution.

North of Luz (near Santana metro).

Prive 482, Rua Doutor Olavo Egdio, 482, Santana. 7+. 40/30: Went on Monday 11 am. 4 girls, 2 6/10 and 2 more busy. The receptionist / mamasan told more girls come after lunch. When I asked for best day & time to visit to see more girls, she told Sat 2 pm. I went again on a Saturday like 3 pm. There were like 8 girls, none 7/10, so didn't do session. Prices: 30/20 min, 50/30, 100/60. 8 am-8 pm, closed on Sundays.

Prive 432, Rua Conselheiro Saraiva, 432, Santana. 7+. 40/30: Went on Monday 11:30 am. 2 girls, 5-6/10.30/20,50/30. Weekends 3 pm is best to visit, 5 girls expected. Went again on Saturday like 4 pm, about 4 girls were there, not attractive enough to try session.

Prive 376, Conselheiro Saraiva, 376, Santana .7+.40/30: Went on Monday 11:30 am. 3 girls, 2 4-5/10,1 7/10. Did session with the 7/10 girl, it was mechanical, only 1-2 minutes blow job just until erection, no cowgirl, etc. Same pricing structure for all 3; 30/20, 50/30, 100/60. The receptionist told Thu / Fri / Sat 2 pm+ is best time to visit. Visited again on Sat like 4 pm. 3-4 girls, 1 6-7/10, remaining older or less attractive. I think the management at the above 2 places are same, since I saw the receptionist at 432 on my 1st visit was at 376 during my 2nd visit.

Luz metro:

SWs at north side: tried on a Wednesday 1 pm. Couldn't find much. Maybe like 5 girls overall.

Prive American Bar, Av. So Joo, 345 (Calado) - Centro. 40-45.30/30 40/40. 8 am-10 pm. 3 bars on different floors, bedrooms on the floors above them: Went on Monday 3:30 pm, no girls were there. About 3-5 guys were there, maybe customers came for drinks. The receptionist told girls come at night, 9:30 pm+ for more girls. This area is not safe, I didn't want to try visiting here at night.

Prive Sensao (2018), Rua General Jardim 242, Republica (Centro). 10.100/ HR. 9 am-9 pm: Went on Monday 5:15 pm. Seems it it no longer there. The duplicate key small shop owner next door told that this place has moved a while ago. He doesn't know the new address.

EDIFCIO 134, Alameda Baro de Limeira, 134, Edificio Itatiaia. 9 floors, 16 balconies, 12 windows, 100 women: Went on Monday 5:30 pm. You must pay 2 reais to store your backpack at the reception. There are 2 rooms / casas kinda bar setup on both sides of stairs in each floor. There were about 5-10 girls in each floor. 40/15 min. You could get a better deal, esp if you know portuguese.

Rua dos Andradas 69, Centro, near LUZ metro. 30/15 min or 1 pop: Similar setup like above. Went on Friday 3 pm. You must pay 3 reais to store your backpack at the reception. About 5 girls each floor, a total of about 30-40 girls. 40/25 min.

Love Story (Dance and Night Club). Rua Araujo, 232: Went on Monday 5 pm. Renovation work going on. Looking from outside, I felt it will take few weeks / months before it opens.

West of Luz metro:

CLnica Shangri-l, Av. Pompia, 1062, Vila Pompeia. 13 Massagistas. 150/ HR. [URL]http://clinicashangrila.com/web/:[/URL] Went on Tue 3:30 pm. 5 girls 6-7/10. Same 5 girls on other days too. 190/60, 280/90, no 30 minute option. Hours 11 am /12 noon-8 pm, closed on Sundays.

Clinica Aneesh, Rua Tavares Bastos, 547, Vila Pompia. 7 Massagistas. 130/ HR (CHEAP! M-F noon-9 pm Sa -7 pm. [URL]https://www.aneesh.com.br/:[/URL] Went on Wed 2:50 pm. 5 girls 2-4 were 6-7/10.180-190/ HR.

Zarah Massagens, Avenida Pompia, 2082, Vila Pompeia. 5. 170/ HR. M-F 11 am-9 pm Sa 10 am-5 pm [URL]http://zarahmassagem.com.br/:[/URL] Went on Wed 3 pm. 6 girls, 2-3 og them were 6-7/10.200/ HR.

South of Av. Paulista:

Are. Augusta, 2028: Went on Su 11:30 am. Entry 10 reais, include 1 drink. Only 1 girl 5/10 was there. 65/30 130/60. The entrance guy told weekends nights are best to see more girls.

SWs on lower Augusta: walked on Su 11:30 am-11:50 am, from are. Augusta 2028 to are. August 3000. Couldn't find any.

Rua Ouro Branco 168, Jardim Paulista: Went on Su 12:20 pm. Seems no longer there. There was 160, and 174, in between there is a building with the door locked. It must be 168, but '168' not displayed.

Corpus Terapia Massagem (2019). Av. Batataes, 558 - Jardim Paulista: Went on Su 1:45 pm. It is a big building with many apts.

MASSAGEM MIX, are. Batataes 557 - Jardim Paulista: Same as above (Went on Su 1:45 pm. It is a big building with many apts).

Massage Sao Paulo, Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima 1144, Jardim Paulista: Went on Sunday 2 pm. It was closed. The small street shop owner told they are closed on Sundays.

Nilay Massagens, Rua Carlos Steinen, 414, Paraso: They quoted high price, like 350+/ HR.

Villa Mariana south: went on a weekday this time (I think Monday afternoon).

Desejos Prive, are dos Otonis, 541: It is a small grocery store now.

Are. Dos Otonis, 694, Vila Clementino: Definitely felt like a high end place. 600/ HR. But girls are usual 7-8/10. I don't know if the premium price translates into better experience. I felt it would be same experience like a 200/ HR place, but at a high end casa.

Priv Fani Sex, Rua Loefgreen 927, Vila Clementino: It was closed on a weekday too. May be it is no longer there.

Espao Lus Gis, Rua Lus Gis, 820, Mirandpolis: The outside door was closed on a weekday too. Better to chat on whatsapp and get details.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2797969]
I am an Asian (brown skin), and I don't speak Portuguese. I almost always have to use translate app.
For the places below, anything before colon is I got from ISG, and anything after colon is my contribution. [/QUOTE]Outstanding Post, Lots of detailed and actionable information. Hopefully this information is useful to members.

[QUOTE=BeHappy143;2797415]Snip. Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]I Googled "clinica tangera sao paulo" and got the information about Tangara. I don't understand why it didn't come up for you unless it did but you were certain it was Tangera and ignored the search result.

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=clinica[/URL]+tangera+sao+paulo&client=firefox-be-1-the&sxsrf=AJOqlzX7 ku92 HNyQcsc7 QyxyHf1 t9 rAPEw%3 A1678809988997&ei=hJsQZL6-PJmt5 NoPl52 DuAc&ved=0 ahUKEwi-kKjI5 tv9 AhWZFlkFHZfOAHcQ4 dUDCA8&oq=clinica+tangera+sao+paulo&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3 Mtd2 l6 LXNlcnAQDDIHCCMQsAIQJzINCC4 QDRCABBDHARCvATIFCAAQhgM6 CAgAEKIEELADOgcIIxDqAhAnOg0 IABCPARDqAhC0 AhgBOg0 ILhCPARDqAhC0 AhgBSgQIQRgBUMYJWPHaGGDg9 xhoBHAAeACAAXiIAcwBkgEDMS4 xmAEAoAEBoAECsAEUyAEFwAEB2 gEGCAEQARgK&sclient=gws-wiz-serp.

Good to mention that main bike and auto trade shows are already programmed for this year, mostly around the F1 of Interlagos. All kinds of promomodels work at the events and talking to them (in portugues mostly) is quite easy. Some gave their phone numbers with no much hesitation. Some others are so stunning and classy, that they have assigned guards and are prohibited to release info.

Slim, tall, petite, fitness, strong, blondes, brunettes. Etc etc.

Most of them are not working girls, but some do fall in the category of "ficha rosa" (like the girl in blue uniform) and also some are frequent at high end boates.

Not all ficha rosas go to boates, so it can be a very patient detective sport to score one. Some arrive at the events as declared Non Ficha Rosas, and by the end of the event turn into ones 'cause events have their own VIP parties and cocktails where money and proposals flow.

Sorry if this all sounds like a tongue twister of set theory.

But as you may imagine, trade shows are very interesting places to visit if you just want to give some pleasure to your eyes. You'll see the widest variety of brazilian talent.

So I of course lost my card the first day in Sao Paulo while trying to find a bank to pull out Reals. Bit means for this evening I only have US $ and the exchange places are closed. Will the seeínicas or Casaroa take US $? Gah.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2798501]Good to mention that main bike and auto trade shows are already programmed for this year, mostly around the F1 of Interlagos. All kinds of promomodels work at the events and talking to them (in portugues mostly) is quite easy. Some gave their phone numbers with no much hesitation. Some others are so stunning and classy, that they have assigned guards and are prohibited to release info.

Slim, tall, petite, fitness, strong, blondes, brunettes. Etc etc.

Most of them are not working girls, but some do fall in the category of "ficha rosa" (like the girl in blue uniform) and also some are frequent at high end boates.

Not all ficha rosas go to boates, so it can be a very patient detective sport to score one. Some arrive at the events as declared Non Ficha Rosas, and by the end of the event turn into ones 'cause events have their own VIP parties and cocktails where money and proposals flow.

Sorry if this all sounds like a tongue twister of set theory.

But as you may imagine, trade shows are very interesting places to visit if you just want to give some pleasure to your eyes. You'll see the widest variety of brazilian talent.[/QUOTE]To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2798708]So I of course lost my card the first day in Sao Paulo while trying to find a bank to pull out Reals. Bit means for this evening I only have US $ and the exchange places are closed. Will the seenicas or Casaroa take US $? Gah.[/QUOTE]RC, I hope you brought a few backup credit cards and another debit card or you are out of luck. Most boate girls will accept $US dollars if you offer them a reasonable exchange rate, but the boates and clinicas will not.

Hi Willi, I do my best not to fantasize and base my reports in visual documentation whenever possible.

Let's say 50% may be GPS like any other country and girls can f**ck whoever they want.

For example, this group of argies at the car races. Yes, the vast majority of them were escorts, but one. The one with the Christmas hat was not. She had to escape the car races horrorized by the offerings she got every minute and see the other girls fucking with pilots, mechanics, etc etc.

She ended up f**king on Tv and production guys from the media. Just look how hot she was being 19 why / o, tall, super beautiful face. I mean, a doll.

Like a friend of mine says: She was a "bocatto di cardinale" jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=WillieWonkers;2798747]To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WillieWonkers;2798747]To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).[/QUOTE]This is probably not unreasonable, but I wouldn't recommend anyone going in hard and propositioning young Brazilian women with money. Whether it be a waitress, a girl at the mall or at a civilian bar, it still takes some game and subtly.

I have seen gringos in Copacabana treat every young woman like a hooker. It's insulting to the women. It's embarrassing for us foreigners to be around that. (I think one of our members once got thrown out of a Rio mall by security.)

I'm sure when HiddenEye picks up a girl at a trade show he has to use some charm and nuance. In the end, she's thinking she will have a little fun and make some money.

[QUOTE=WillieWonkers;2798747]To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).[/QUOTE]Imagine some believe what they read here. I never stopped to get surprised of some of the posts being made here.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2798942]
I'm sure when HiddenEye picks up a girl at a trade show he has to use some charm and nuance. In the end, she's thinking she will have a little fun and make some money.[/QUOTE]That's right WyattEarp, girls go there to work, to give information, to be kind with potential clients, that's what promotional models do all over the world. I'm a biker myself and I enjoy very much those events.

It's easy, just have to go there and talk. I have booked many of them for photoshoots after having met them at events.

After that, true love can flow (happy face) or maybe not. And no problems at all.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2798942]

I have seen gringos in Copacabana treat every young woman like a hooker. It's insulting to the women. It's embarrassing for us foreigners to be around that. (I think one of our members once got thrown out of a Rio mall by security.)

[/QUOTE]Now I remember the very first time I used this forum in the oldest version from the early 2000's. An ISG member who went to Dominicana, a country many of us know, and he could not tell the difference between h**kers and civilians in Santo Domingo, because they dress mostly colorful, short dresses, and lots of make up. And he mentioned a woman and her daughter were offended by the way he approached to them. So be careful my friend Willie, a jelous brother / BF may be right next to the nice looking girl.

** Pictures attached of real brunette promo model met at tradeshow with conservative uniform, then I heard she was also umbrella girl from car races. Then boom! Finally scored her almost after 6 months. That's a pair of juicy tits.

After solving my card problem which ruined any chance for Thursday mongering, Friday brought a new day and a visit to Abbobora and then later Casarao.

Abbobora.

I returned to Abbobora, the site of one of my best ever sessions (from years ago) at 5 pm. At presentation there were approximately 10 girls. I always find it hard to keep track of all the names and remember each girl so I tend to just decide whether each girl is preferred over the best one before. The diversity in the line up was decent but not as high as I have seen in the past. A lot of mulatto girls of a similar albeit pleasing builds. After the initial look I decided I was feeling a bit chatty and asked to see any girls that spoke Spanish or English as well as the two that were my favorites. They will always do a second look or ask girls with certain attributes back out to aid selection. I ended up taking Pamela who was one of the two that most caught my eye. She was a slim but we'll proportioned "Brazil girl next door" type. A 7. 5. Unfortunately she didn't speak any Spanish or English but we got along just fine all the same. All in I was quoted are $330. This was a bit more than I expected but inflation I guess? Maybe locals pay a lower price. Off to the room for an hour. In room she provided the engaging GFE demeanor I always look forward to in Brazil. BBJ, DATY, energetic CG, RVG Mish and doggy. The room was clean. Pamela really likes Abbobora for it's consistente cleanliness, the clientelle and the fact it's tranquillo. I would repeat except. It's Brazil.

Casaron.

After dinner with a contact at a sushi place in Itaim (Imakay, I would recomiendo) I decides to head to Casarao right at opening as it was my fiesta time there ando I wanted to get a lay of the land before it spun up. It was a little quiet but a steady stream of people soon changed that.

I decide to do an early session to reserve the possibility of taking two different girls over the evening. I hooked on with a pleasant but very GND type and bought her a drink. This was a mistake. Long story shorts I ended up in a room with her do mostly to attitude and an agreement for anal all for are $400 but clearly I could have gotten the same from a far better looking girl. That said the anal ended up being really enthusiastic. But again it's Brazil and I probably could have gotten that. Lesson learned. Recalibrate to Brazil they moment you arrive. No need to settle here at all.

By the time we returned Casarao was in full swing. Pretty much walk to wall people upstairs and down. Probably 20% more girls than men. I had another girl try to approach but if I was going to do a third session for the day it would be with a girl I chase and really liked. I wandered the club recovering and waiting to see if there was anyone that really got me intrigued. The variety of girls was very. Brazil. Almost anything you could want. The range on the scale was quite broad as well. The Abbobora line up was on average higher IMHO when compared to the girls in Casaroa. However, the sheer number still provides lots of options. After a few rounds, watching girls come in the door etc. I finally decided a girl I had passed a few times that had caught my eye, slim, flat stomach, half shirt showing her flat toned abs and with really nice shoulder length hair and be-cups (not natural, go figure, at least she didn't over so it for her frame) deserved at least a drink to see. She spoke a little English and was in no hurry. After some dancing etc. Are $500 and off to the room we went. Really great session. BBJ (no attempt for a CBJ in either encounter) was really good. Tons of eye contact, deep BLS, really nice. All the normal things but with a tremendous GFE attitude and she was just the sort I was looking for. She got my a final but for the day out of me, 4 is a lot for me in 7 hours. I love Brazil.

Total damage at Casarao for two girls, drinks including a few with the girls, room etc was $R1300. Very reasonable price to quality to choice ratio I would say.

I was at Abbobora around same time. Probably I have seen you there Anyhow, girl I was interested in alresady taken in a minute by the time tried to recollect her name. Settled with Samantha. She is ok but little bit sad looking. Charged me 350 all included per hour. She was not much a GFE type, purely mechanical. Her positions were not really comfortable on the bed, almost like pushing you away. Asked for 500 for anal but when refused settled for 300 but I said no thanks given her attitude.

I think there are other places for little less and same talent. Not sure but will try since I just got here. Went to Bahamas club as it is within walkable distance from where I am staying. Took a peep inside there were about 5 girls and not many clients, probably too early. Entry fee without consumable 200 and with 570. Room is 170 per hour. As per door man, girls can ask anywhere 1000 to 3000 but settle for no less than 600. I did not go in, there were 4 locals arguing at the counter.

I just sent you Privage Message if you want to hang out.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2799121]After solving my card problem which ruined any chance for Thursday mongering, Friday brought a new day and a visit to Abbobora and then later Casarao.

Abbobora.

I returned to Abbobora, the site of one of my best ever sessions (from years ago) at 5 pm. At presentation there were approximately 10 girls. I always find it hard to keep track of all the names and remember each girl so I tend to just decide whether each girl is preferred over the best one before. The diversity in the line up was decent but not as high as I have seen in the past. A lot of mulatto girls of a similar albeit pleasing builds. After the initial look I decided I was feeling a bit chatty and asked to see any girls that spoke Spanish or English as well as the two that were my favorites. They will always do a second look or ask girls with certain attributes back out to aid selection. I ended up taking Pamela who was one of the two that most caught my eye. She was a slim but we'll proportioned "Brazil girl next door" type. A 7. 5. Unfortunately she didn't speak any Spanish or English but we got along just fine all the same. All in I was quoted are $330. This was a bit more than I expected but inflation I guess? Maybe locals pay a lower price. Off to the room for an hour. In room she provided the engaging GFE demeanor I always look forward to in Brazil. BBJ, DATY, energetic CG, RVG Mish and doggy. The room was clean. Pamela really likes Abbobora for it's consistente cleanliness, the clientelle and the fact it's tranquillo. I would repeat except. It's Brazil.


Total damage at Casarao for two girls, drinks including a few with the girls, room etc was $R1300. Very reasonable price to quality to choice ratio I would say.[/QUOTE]

I know this is the SP thread but we are all here to learn and I learned the scene in Rio recently and think it's noteworthy. I posted reports on my Monte Carlo terms experience and an amazing Seeking Arrangements date with a girlfriendy 9. 5 and both experiences were Wowzers.

SP remains awesome. But def read my Rio reports. I'the say Rio has moved to the top of my list for an all around great time.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=2797689#post2797689

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2797716#post2797716

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2799265]I know this is the SP thread but we are all here to learn and I learned the scene in Rio recently and think it's noteworthy. I posted reports on my Monte Carlo terms experience and an amazing Seeking Arrangements date with a girlfriendy 9. 5 and both experiences were Wowzers.

SP remains awesome. But def read my Rio reports. I'the say Rio has moved to the top of my list for an all around great time.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=2797689#post2797689

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2797716#post2797716[/QUOTE]Hopefully the hot girls of Monte Carlo stay and I will visit! Reminds me of 57 Friends, one day I visit the lineup was amazing, a dozen young slim girls. I was like wow. But it didn't last, the next day most were gone. Your Rio report was refreshening, better than the stories of stinky dicks and falling in love with your hooker. Kkkk.

On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.

ENTRY FEE.

Charging 500 BRL or even 550 BRL for entry is outrageous. You can very well afford it, but if you put it in context it's more than a concert ticket, it's more than 99% of normal nightclubs worldwide, its a good meal for 2 in most of Europe. I don't think our community of tourists, business travellers, expats etc should be enabling this outrageous level of entry fee just to get into the amusement park, because afterwards you still need to pay for every single ride. Even if 300 BRL of the 500 BRL is for consumption that only gives you around 3 hard liquor drinks. If you want to speak with girls and make them have a good time they always ask for for something with hard liquor so that gives you 1,5 interactions with women assuming you both consume. Appalling.

WOMEN JACKING UP PRICES.

The professionals there trow numbers to the wall just to see what sticks or flies. The problem is quite a few people believe these numbers and enable them. I went to Scandallo a few days ago. I speak perfect Portuguese. And girls were asking me 2 K to go upstairs for 1 hour. You can absolutely negotiate, but when the negotiation starts with one side in such a big outlier it leaves everyone with a bad taste when you eventually settle for 500 to 1000.

After a lot of experiences, my go to plan is "Pernoite": the girl comes back to your venue and sleeps over with you. The best ones will leave in the morning when it feels appropriate for everyone, weirdos that don't know how to provide good service leave at 6 am on the dot (avoid those obviously). This is what makes me happy and because I'm spending soo much time with them I have a better feeling if I should put them in the roster of girlfriends in the quick call book in my frequent trips to SP.

The same night. A few nights ago. I see an absolute stunner, in my eyes at least. Dark, long hair, slim, 1,70, the type of girl that doesn't find a lot of market in the locals, but would probably count her clients as being the local asian community and the gringos. She was busy talking with some local, I wait for my opportunity and make my move. We introduce ourselves etc, and I ask her how much she charges for Pernoite. "-3,5 K to 3 K would be pernoite". And I'm like thinking in my head WTF? 3,5 K BRL is 670 USD:

You used to buy top of the line iPhones for that sort of money.

You can pay 1 month rent in a good flat in SP for that money.

You can pay for 1 return economy ticket to Europe or US if bought in advance.

You can have a multi-hour engagement with a professional in most European countries.

Etc.

I normally pay 1500 BRL for pernoite. Girls have quoted me in the past less and more: 1000,1200, 1300,1800, 2000. I've settled in 1500 as an equilibrium price that I think is fair for both parties. Mind you 1500 BRL is still 275-300 USD, it's proper money.

Crucially I enjoy doing pernoite threesomes. After research and when I know at least 1 of the girls, I normally ask the girl I trust to choose a friend that fits my preferences. For a threesome pernoite I pay 3. 000 BRL, 1. 500 each. And I've had a couple of mind blowing, best moments in my life experiences of fucking 2 girls most of the night for hours (some pills helped, even if you don't need them, I would suggest you take to really give you the endurance).

So I absolutely can't give to 1 girl. As hot as she might be. The same amount I use to get for 2 girls.

THE HORRIBLE NIGHTCLUB EXPERIENCE.

Against what a couple of other members have said, I actually prefer to go to Scandallo in the early afternoon. Many reasons.

It's cheaper at 300 to 350 BRL the entry and you can stay until the close early morning, so you save 200 BRL.

It's a much more relaxed atmosphere. The girls that do the afternoon shift are also more relaxed and more in need, they will probably at max only find 1 client in the whole afternoon so they take their time.

The afternoon is very different to the after 10 pm time in Scandallo: I hate Scandallo after 10 pm when they open the dancefloor / nightclub area.

1st At that moment you start getting locals that buy bottles and hoover up girls to their tables. Why the actual fuck do you need to impress professionals with bottles of anything in a *****house? - and then you're like "I've already paid 500 BRL to enter and now I still need to be here competing with other men like if I was in a normal nightclub? Whyyyyyy?

2nd Because there's so many men and so much money being stupidly thrown away, girls start choosing and selecting who they will go up with. Fortunately I'm still young. But again why am I feeling like I'm in a normal nightclub with the same social rules of a normal nightclub? For that I go to a normal nightclub!

3rd Lower rated girls need now to start making money. They might have not worked already, so you get all of the 4's, 5's, 6's, low 7's (they also work in Scandallo, don't think otherwise) hitting on you, and you need to bat them off like you're playing an episode of Last of Us or something. Gets boring, gets sad, quickly.

4th the incentives make this time of night be more productive for the mercenaries that know how to say all the right words and all the right promises. That they won't keep, so you will have to use a lot of judgement to see what is a bluff and what is an unpolished diamond.

AS A GROUP WE NEED TO.

Go in the afternoons to Scandallo.

Don't do go to Scandallo.

Don't pay more than 1 K for 1 hour in the venue.

Don't pay more than 1,5 K (my suggestion) for pernoite.

IMAGINE how unaffordable the prices will be if the Real goes back to trade 1 USD = 3 BRL? Out of the blue you're paying USD 500 for 1 hour.

MY CONCLUSION AND TIP.

In the end I don't like Scandallo, I go there only in the afternoons as most other houses are closed. For some reason I don't go to termas, don't know why to be fair, maybe I should try.

I also go there because you get to see some Unicorn 10's, but then I get annoyed because they know perfectly well they are 10's and they want to be paid their weight in gold or something.

I would suggest you to go to any other luxury boate at the 300 BRL pricepoint (apart from Bahamas which is a shithole).

Casarão in rua Augusta is also good. You need to be vaccinated before you go there almost. You need to ignore the fact that that group there in the corner with 5 guys is clearly the top branch of a local drug cartel, not every night is good. But for a 30/50 BRL entry fee you can go there 10 different days before you reach Scandallo prices. And in Casarão you find that girl that doesn't know what she is doing, that just arrived to São Paulo, and is a true diamond in the rough. Act quickly though, because others also realise that.

Hi, as you may already know I'm a visual producer and techy guy.

Been playing with some prompts on midjourney and original images from girls I still have contact on whatsapp from SP. And look at the results that may look familiar scenes to you.

Base images are: Source-1 (slim girl from Bombo) and Source-2 (a stunner from Scandallo).

So, to make more graphic reports, I'm planning to use AI LOL.

Prompts look like:

A. In this restaurant4 there is a classy guy5 smoking a cigar and sitting in a table. In front of him there is this girl3 who looks young and stunning standing and wearing high heels3.

Be. In a nightclub where she looks young and sweet with red dress, she's standing in front of a table. In the table there are two old classy guys looking at her with desire.

See. Classy guy leaving a night club with this girl who looks young and stunning.

And look at the monster generated!!jajajaja.

[QUOTE=GeneveCalling1;2799581]On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.

.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. But if wealthy locals pay those prices there is nothing we, foreign mongers, can do. I agree, rates are outrageous relative to the cost of living or local salaries. Also, no matter how much you pay, good service is never guaranteed, and there is nothing you can do, because they are freelancers.

[QUOTE=GeneveCalling1;2799581]On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.

...[/QUOTE]Right on the money! I am amazed that some mongers fly to Sao Paulo only for Scandallo. Indeed, for Scandallo late in the day when the cover charge is highest and the place packed with men. I have a tip for those mongers who don't mind traveling far for only one venue: at the time of writing FKK Sharks near Frankfurt is better. The Sharks line-up will be as good if not better than Scandallo's, the cover charge will include all the food (at least as good as Scandallo's pretentious inferior food) you can eat, and eating and drinking surrounded by naked women on high heels is infinitely more arousing than crouching in Scandallo's dark-room restaurant with everyone dressed up like for a degree ceremony. The rooms are included in the cover charge at Sharks, once you're in you only pay for the girls and alcoholic drinks.

I'll probably visit Scandallo during my next Sao Paulo visit, but I'll do so earlier in the day and only a couple of times.

[QUOTE=XXL;2799950]...at the time of writing FKK Sharks near Frankfurt is better. The Sharks line-up will be as good if not better than Scandallo's, the cover charge will include all the food (at least as good as Scandallo's pretentious inferior food) you can eat, ...[/QUOTE]I have been to FKK sharks many times, and the same with Scandallo. My last visit to FKK Sharks was a couple of months ago. I don't agree with you that Sharks is better than Scandallo.

I saw something where gringos traveling to Brasil will require tourist visas again. Will you have to acquire a new one or if the old one you had has not expired will it still be valid for entry to Brasil? I called the Consulate in DC, but they don't answer questions via fone.

Obg!

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2799955]I have been to FKK sharks many times, and the same with Scandallo. My last visit to FKK Sharks was a couple of months ago. I don't agree with you that Sharks is better than Scandallo.[/QUOTE]No way in hell is Sharks better than Scandallo! I would never travel overseas just to go to one club, but if I did and the two choices were Sharks or Scandallo there's no question about which one I would choose. Scandallo is a much more upscale place with way hotter women who perform off the charts (personally never had a bad session there)! Given that I like to do hour-long sessions with BBBJ, CIM mouth option, and anal we're easily talking at least 300 euros (plus the price of admission) at Sharks. At the same time at Scandallo, and given the current exchange rate, I'm going to pay $100 to get in with most of that being a consumption fee, and then a one-hour session with a hot girl with everything I like included I can get for another $200 (plus the cost of the room) if I know how to bargain (I do). A lot nicer, a little cheaper, with way hotter and better performing girls on average. You know what I say. Scandallo! [B]The baddest puta palace on the planet[/B]!

[QUOTE=GeneveCalling1;2799581]On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.
[/QUOTE]I don't think that expats have much influence, that club is for the locals by the locals.

The other thing to consider is that a lot of those women are supermodel level. I get the price is high, but quite frankly I can't fuck women like that for less than 1000 an hour in Australia and they do not perform anything near what these Brazilian women do.

Lastly, the overall experience is fantastic. Food is good, the club is amazing, the rooms are good, the staff are great and the amount of women is insane.

I can understand why people order a bottle, when I was there with friends we drink whiskey and we ended up doing the same. Same at Bomboa.

Hey,

I'll be and SP until Saturday. If anyone wants to check out one of the clubs let me know. I am thinking of going to Scandallo tonight (Tuesday) but the latest report of 3000 makes me hesitant to try it.

The closest I remember from Latin America being like Scandallo, is Mexico DF from the Early 2000's in the "Zona Rosa" Area. There was a club named Platynum and that was the only time I saw jaw dropping Russian escorts at the**g dealer prices.

Chile has the Cafe with Legs (Cafe con piernas) which have different vibe and not all girls are working girls.

Peru. Fu see k that, only bricheras (locals who date gringos) and venies at the streets with all the risk that involves.

Colombia. Yeah, that's good. Medellin has good clubs.

Argentina, promo models and girls from Telegram groups, there is quite good talent.

But nothing near to Brazilian clubs. Nothing near to Scandallo which is the Maracana of Sex.

The great amount of women has its own word in brazilian portugues: Mulherada! The massive flood of women of all kinds.

* When I go to Berlin I will talk about that. Didn't have the great luck yet.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2800194]Hey,

I'll be and SP until Saturday. If anyone wants to check out one of the clubs let me know. I am thinking of going to Scandallo tonight (Tuesday) but the latest report of 3000 makes me hesitant to try it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KcDark;2800194]Hey,

I'll be and SP until Saturday. If anyone wants to check out one of the clubs let me know. I am thinking of going to Scandallo tonight (Tuesday) but the latest report of 3000 makes me hesitant to try it.[/QUOTE]I will be here until Sunday. Can't PM you. I am going there tomorrow and tonite to Bomboa.

I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2800243]I will be here until Sunday. Can't PM you. I am going there tomorrow and tonite to Bomboa.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2800136]

Lastly, the overall experience is fantastic. Food is good, the club is amazing ...[/QUOTE]Did they finally recruit a cook? Because the times I've been there I found the food underwhelming. Grossly overpriced and inferior to what I could get at any shopping mall food court. I remember ordering some meat with cheese sauce where the meat was mostly fat, which is unacceptable in a meat paradise like Brazil. Do I have wayward tastes in food?

I also hated never knowing how big a chunk of my consumable entry I'd already spent. Part of their policy I suppose, so that customers either overshoot or underspend their allowance.

[QUOTE=XXL;2800317]Did they finally recruit a cook? Because the times I've been there I found the food underwhelming. Grossly overpriced and inferior to what I could get at any shopping mall food court. I remember ordering some meat with cheese sauce where the meat was mostly fat, which is unacceptable in a meat paradise like Brazil. Do I have wayward tastes in food? I also hated never knowing how big a chunk of my consumable entry I'd already spent. Part of their policy I suppose, so that customers either overshoot or underspend their allowance.[/QUOTE]I don't know what you've ordered and how it was prepared, but I've only had quite tasty meals at the sit-down Scandallo restaurant. And both preparation and presentation was far superior than anything to be found at your typical mall food court. The last time I remember having some tuna shashimi that was very good. Never had a bad meal or a bad fuck at Scandallo! And I have never had a problem keeping track of how much I've spent towards the consumable portion of the entry fee either. Before I enter the guy always explains very clearly how much goes towards the "consumo". Then when I order any food or drink I always ask for the price and keep track in my mind of how much I'm spending against the consumo. Easy and never had a problem with spending more than I wanted to. It's my obligation to know how much I'm spending, and there's nothing about Scandallo that makes that hard to do.

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[QUOTE=Jay2574;2800293]I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]For the experience bro! The experience. Why go all the way down there and at least not check it out once so you can decide for yourself. Some like it. Some don't. Go and form your own impressions and conclusions and that will be the end of wondering why. I'm an equal opportunity monger LOL! When in a place like Sao Paulo I'm looking at nightclubs, clinicas, online escorts, everything! Be the kind of guy who ultimately decides for yourself versus letting total strangers on a website overly influence you one way or the other. I will say this much though. If it's MILFs you crave the most, then Scandallo absolutely won't be for you. I'm confident in telling you that much. But I still say that if you have the coin then check it out. You would have to pay the entrance fee (most of it for consumption) but no obligation to take a tute to a room.

[QUOTE=Jay2574;2800293]I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]You don't go to Scandallo to have sex with a pretty girl. You can do that anywhere. Including the clinicas as you found. You go to Scandallo for the EXPERIENCE. If you like going out to clubs and you have the coin, then you should def do it. There is no place like it worldwide and if you are there you should def do it. If you don't like the club scene and drinking and dancing with the hotties then def skip it. Because the sex is the same. As an alternative if you want to toe dip but at a lower cost then go to Casarao. Doesn't have the size glitz or luxe vibe of Scandallo but a fun "upscale bar" experience with tons of hotties for half the price.

I don't know you from Adam but it sounds like $$ might matter a bit. If you would spend $100 in your daily life without a second thought — like pocket change — then hit up Scandallo. If your funny money bar is lower hit up Casarao. And if you don't like the night club scene then skip it altogether.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2799955]I have been to FKK sharks many times, and the same with Scandallo. My last visit to FKK Sharks was a couple of months ago. I don't agree with you that Sharks is better than Scandallo.[/QUOTE]I get it that the physical club itself and facilities at Scandallo are superior to that of Sharks but what about the women? Are the women at Scandallo hotter than those at Sharks?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2800375]You don't go to Scandallo to have sex with a pretty girl. You can do that anywhere. Including the clinicas as you found. You go to Scandallo for the EXPERIENCE. If you like going out to clubs and you have the coin, then you should def do it. There is no place like it worldwide and if you are there you should def do it. If you don't like the club scene and drinking and dancing with the hotties then def skip it. Because the sex is the same. As an alternative if you want to toe dip but at a lower cost then go to Casarao. Doesn't have the size glitz or luxe vibe of Scandallo but a fun "upscale bar" experience with tons of hotties for half the price.

I don't know you from Adam but it sounds like $$ might matter a bit. If you would spend $100 in your daily life without a second thought like pocket change then hit up Scandallo. If your funny money bar is lower hit up Casarao. And if you don't like the night club scene then skip it altogether.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better myself! The only little quibble I have is that you gave the impression that the girls are all pretty much the same, and with this I don't agree. Another reason why I like Scandallo so much is that per my tastes it has the absolute hottest girls. I take issue with anybody who says the clinica girls look as good. Not to me they don't! As I've said before, I'm a rational man. If the clinica girls were as hot as the Scandallo crowd at relatively cut rate prices, then don't you think I would be shouting to the rooftops that the clinicas are better LOL? I would, but to my eye it's not true that the clinica girls on average are as attractive as the Scandallo girls. And I get annoyed with guys who see a Scandallo girl working at a clinica and then come in here and say it's the same girls at both places. No it isn't, and that's not true just because you happened to see one (or maybe even a few) working at both. Scandallo is the "baddest" and that's that! My caveat is that I have not been to the "new" Casarao. The renovations look nice. Lots of good reports. And if those reports are all true, and I have no reason to doubt them, then I would say that Casarao has stepped up its game as a serious competitor to Scandallo. Can't wait for when I have an opportunity to check it out!

I visited the famous Scandallo last night (Tuesday) arriving around 9 PM. The main club / performance area was being set up with most of the action happening in the bar, restaurant and patio area. I must admit, it was a bit overwhelming to have so many 8's+ casually strolling around waiting to be chatted up. I found a table and started to look at the room to see who was to my liking. There was almost EVERY body type to choose from. Reading the previous reports, I was not a believer that this place was as plentiful since so many guys like to embellish their experience, but now, I am a believer. WOW!

After a few minutes I saw a slim woman with a really great booty and called her over. Her english was decent and we were able to communicate. Where I made a mistake was not being more direct in what I wanted. I prefer BBBJ 99.9% of the time. She was only CBJ and claimed she was really good at it, she was not. Because she had the type of body I loved I decided to go with the her to a room. Next misstep was not negotiating the price, she quoted R1,500. Reflecting on the session, she was not worth the rate. While she was pretty, great body and personality, the session was below average. She was not a deadfish but no passion at all.

I'll chalk round 1 up to me not being firmer and getting my feet wet at Scandallo. If I go back during this trip I'll be more direct in my what I want in a session.

[QUOTE=Jay2574;2800293]... but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]It's not the same but you have to keep your expectation in check to have better experience. You have to look at entrance fee differently. 500 does not really go that far if you spend enough time in it. It's an expensive place like other expensive restaurants. The girl typically will stay with you for a long time before going to the room so that should be taken into account if you enjoy something extra than just sex alone. Some locals will hoard the girl for very long time that way.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2800404]...the session was below average. She was not a deadfish but no passion at all....[/QUOTE]You have to screen them by making out with them in the club first. That will give you an indication how they will perform in the room. You could even just make out lying down on the sofa by the elevator or on the one in the videogame/pool table area under the stairs. That is how far you can go publicly.

[QUOTE=Jay2574;2800293]I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]You shouldn't go. But do tell. Where did you fly from to Brazil from and why? Was it work that bought you in or did you come because you heard about the girls in Brazil? If you flew down here for the girls, then why would you miss out on the BADDEST FUCKING PLACE ON THE PLANET FOR GIRLS? If it is cost that is stopping you just do this. Go early in the day and pay 1/2 the entry fee and use it all for drinks and just hang out all night till you have had enough and the head home to wank one out😜.

[QUOTE=Jay2574;2800293]I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]There's always been Scandallo detractors. Don't let some recent chatter from a few members spook you.

If one has mongered in North America and anywhere else in the world recently, you know that prices for escorts has gone up like everything else. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2799915]Excellent post. But if wealthy locals pay those prices there is nothing we, foreign mongers, can do. I agree, rates are outrageous relative to the cost of living or local salaries. Also, no matter how much you pay, good service is never guaranteed, and there is nothing you can do, because they are freelancers.[/QUOTE]I've spoken with many Scandallo girls about this and they quote locals completely different prices. Locals pay 500-800 BRL for 1 hour, with a local they will start asking 1000 BRL for 1 hour, but then settle down. Absolute stunners will ask 1.500 BRL for 1 hour but they have a strategy of only going with 1 client per night.

For Pernoite I've had Scandallo girls accept 1500 BRL.

Cafe Photo, Casarão, Bomboa, are much much better options.

In Western Europe if you use websites you can pay the equivalent to 500 BRL to 1500 BRL for 1 hour in the girls flat, price depending on the country, why am I enabling in Brazil prices of 1500 BRL + 500 BRL (for entry) + XXX BRL for room? I don't care how much money there is or there isn't in my bank account, it doesn't make sense at all.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2800392]I get it that the physical club itself and facilities at Scandallo are superior to that of Sharks but what about the women? Are the women at Scandallo hotter than those at Sharks?[/QUOTE]Noting of course that you must like Latinas. But if you like Latinas and Romanians equally well no question on balance Scandallo girls are hotter and a lot more of them. Some of the fatties and grannies I see in Sharks would never dare come to Scandallo (because what they have to pay to be there would never pay back). Scandallo has consistent quality across the board. And as I said in my report prob 250 girls most all 7+. Waaaay more than Sharks. Girl quality is no contest imo.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2800442]You have to screen them by making out with them in the club first. That will give you an indication how they will perform in the room. You could even just make out lying down on the sofa by the elevator or on the one in the videogame/pool table area under the stairs. That is how far you can go publicly.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't rely on pre-screening. They are being nice and flirty, and do whatever it takes to get you choose them. But once in the room, it is always a gamble. And since they are freelancers, you can't complain to the management that she did CBJ instead of BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2800442]You have to screen them by making out with them in the club first. That will give you an indication how they will perform in the room. You could even just make out lying down on the sofa by the elevator or on the one in the videogame/pool table area under the stairs. That is how far you can go publicly.[/QUOTE]She bounced in between being cool and being flirty. I didn't think about making out with her or start feeling her up because I didn't see anyone else feeling anyone up or making out. I'll know better for next time.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2800507]I wouldn't rely on pre-screening. They are being nice and flirty, and do whatever it takes to get you choose them. But once in the room, it is always a gamble. And since they are freelancers, you can't complain to the management that she did CBJ instead of BBBJ.[/QUOTE]This is very true. This goes for all providers. They will say whatever to get you in the room or to their place and then pull back after you have your naked.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2800507]I wouldn't rely on pre-screening. They are being nice and flirty, and do whatever it takes to get you choose them. But once in the room, it is always a gamble. And since they are freelancers, you can't complain to the management that she did CBJ instead of BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Sure, there's a chance that even if she makes out like a high school girl in heat in the club she'll be a dead fish in the room. But there's a much, much smaller chance that she'll be a dead fish in the club and turn into a tiger in the room.

Will be landing in Sao Paulo Thursday morning. Can't wait!

Heard a lot about this city, should be fun. Medellin has always been my favorite, but time to mix it up a bit.

Anyone wanting to link up to check a couple of clubs and clinicas, PM.

Will report soon.

SS.

I also tell the girls in the club that if she doesn't perform as per our agreed terms, I will cancel the session and not pay. I explain that if I am paying for it, I want it my way. If she is giving it for free then we do it her way. Her decision at that point. And I have yet to be disappointed especially in Brazil.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2800605]I also tell the girls in the club that if she doesn't perform as per our agreed terms, I will cancel the session and not pay. I explain that if I am paying for it, I want it my way. If she is giving it for free then we do it her way. Her decision at that point. And I have yet to be disappointed especially in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Jesus imagine having this conversation hahaha, I could not imagine a bigger mood killer.

Our hobby can be hit and miss sometimes, but you cannot force chemistry or human connection either and they regular women outside of their line of work. Its up to you to gauge them beforehand too mate. You are not buying a can of beans off a shelf. Its one thing to negotiate services, but to do it using threats and warnings is next level.

I need advice. I got a number from a woman in Scandallo and she will not budge from her asking price. From what I have been reading in this forum, so many guys negotiate the price down to R800 and she wants R1300 which seems high compared to a few porn stars who charge the same and you can record. Even high end ladies are R800 and she is not high end but has a great personality. I want to stand firm on my price of R800 but don't want to lose her but I have no problem doing that. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=KcDark;2800511]She bounced in between being cool and being flirty. I didn't think about making out with her or start feeling her up because I didn't see anyone else feeling anyone up or making out. I'll know better for next time...[/QUOTE]I have reported before two girls were playing with a local's little guy on the sofa by the entrance fully dressed. Everyone looking can see he had an erection and the girls kept it that way. LOL. You need to be clear and definitely do not want to be shy about what you want, otherwise you will be taken advantage of. If after an hour of screening, she can still scam you, then you have met a very good actress. That is my take on it. You can simply ask about kissing politely, Do you like kissing? Ask her to show you if she says yes. It should be full on without reservation. The chance to take a bad one is very low.

[QUOTE=GeneveCalling1;2799581]I would suggest you to go to any other luxury boate at the 300 BRL pricepoint (apart from Bahamas which is a shithole).

Casaro in rua Augusta is also good. You need to be vaccinated before you go there almost. You need to ignore the fact that that group there in the corner with 5 guys is clearly the top branch of a local drug cartel, not every night is good. But for a 30/50 BRL entry fee you can go there 10 different days before you reach Scandallo prices. And in Casaro you find that girl that doesn't know what she is doing, that just arrived to So Paulo, and is a true diamond in the rough. Act quickly though, because others also realise that.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Everyone talking about Scandallo good or bad. Now I hear of Casaro. Is there a good list and recommendation to other places in Sao Paulo to find good working girls? Can you please share some pointers?

Best,

Aviv.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2800706]I have reported before two girls were playing with little guy of a local on the sofa fully dressed. Everyone looking can see he had an erection and the girls kept it that way. LOL. You need to be clear and definitely do not want to be shy about what you want, otherwise you will be taken advantage of. If after an hour of screening, she can still scam you, then you have met a very good actress. That is my take on it. You can simply ask about kissing politely, Do you like kissing? Ask her to show you if she says yes. It should be full on without reservation.[/QUOTE]Definitely. I am firm in the states so I should be firm in my wants here especially at the price being asked. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2800631]Jesus imagine having this conversation hahaha, I could not imagine a bigger mood killer.

Our hobby can be hit and miss sometimes, but you cannot force chemistry or human connection either and they regular women outside of their line of work. Its up to you to gauge them beforehand too mate. You are not buying a can of beans off a shelf. Its one thing to negotiate services, but to do it using threats and warnings is next level.[/QUOTE]I think what he does is great. Eliminates a lot of uncertainty. BTW, he is not forcing her to do anything, it is completely up to the girl to decide if she is okay with whatever he wants or not. She can always say "no, thanks" and move on. He is a paying customer and needs to be sure he will get what he pays for. And I agree, this kind of conversation might be a turn off, but when I'm paying top dollar I want to have a great session, not a mediocre one. I would not expect much from a $50 clinica girl, but I expect top notch service from a $300 hooker.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2800730]I think what he does is great. Eliminates a lot of uncertainty. BTW, he is not forcing her to do anything, it is completely up to the girl to decide if she is okay with whatever he wants or not. She can always say "no, thanks" and move on. He is a paying customer and needs to be sure he will get what he pays for. And I agree, this kind of conversation might be a turn off, but when I'm paying top dollar I want to have a great session, not a mediocre one. I would not expect much from a $50 clinica girl, but I expect top notch service from a $300 hooker.[/QUOTE]Exactly. These girls aren't new to the game. They have heard everything and more. What I am saying is innocent stuff. We hammer out a simple verbal contract and then move forward to the playtime. Either she can accept the terms or move on and vice versa. If she insisted on CBJ, I am out. There are plenty of girls and guys for that matter.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2800631]Jesus imagine having this conversation hahaha, I could not imagine a bigger mood killer.

Our hobby can be hit and miss sometimes, but you cannot force chemistry or human connection either and they regular women outside of their line of work. Its up to you to gauge them beforehand too mate. You are not buying a can of beans off a shelf. Its one thing to negotiate services, but to do it using threats and warnings is next level.[/QUOTE]MiamiBoy & Anaggie, I have to agree with WR on this. It is a mood killer without a doubt and frankly I wonder why you guys think negotiations with a boate girl is necessary or even productive. I never pre negotiate or make specific requests. I always flirt with the girls I am interested in and I always offer these girls a drink, and I always test drive the girl (you guys know what I mean) before we talk about going upstairs.

If or when a girl passes the audition is when it is the time to find out how much she wants. I already know her ballpark figure before she tells me. If a girl quotes me 1000 br or less I usually counter offer 600 br. She can accept it or say no. They almost always accept. If we are still only 100 BR apart I usually accept her offer. If a girl asks for something north of 1000 BR I counter with half her offer and I am prepared to pay her half + 200. This is assuming the girl is a Tier 1 looker so I anticipated she would be asking large before I even said OI, but if she is a Tier 2 girl and asking more than a 1000 BR then she is clearly out of her mind. KKK. And I will move on unless she comes to her senses fast.

My results: I never had a bad session in a SP Boate. Some girls are as good as I thought they would be. Many girls are even better than I thought they would be. And a few girls are adequate, but nothing to write home about, but they still did what they needed to do to show me a decent time and it was just for one reason or another that we did not click and set off 4th of July firecrackers. It happens occasionally, even in Brazil because not all girls can be superstars in bed. But I never had a boate girl who did not give me passionate & wet DFK's, a good BBBJ, and covered vaginal sex in multiple positions. Then once in a while, I will have a girl who wants me to cum in her mouth. Once in a while I have a girl who will bareback. Occasionally I have paid 100 BR to 200 BR extra for BBFS. And, once in a while a girl will offer anal sex which I usually turn down unless it is with no additional charge, and I am in the mood.

So, I will conclude my take on this discussion by simply saying why would I want to fuck around with a winning strategy 30 years in practice globally. I am already 95% confident of having a very good boate session based on the girl's attitude and the vibe during the audition stage of the evening before we even get down to talk price let alone head to the elevators. Spelling everything out beforehand removes all the spontaneity and to what end. I don't get it. Surprise me baby. Let's see what you got! My experience thus far in Brazil is that a large majority of my Brazilian girls live up to or exceed my expectations in bed. They seem to want to fuck passionately and have as good a time as I do. So, I am not going to change a thing. But YMMV. Good luck.

A. H.

So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. He probably won't session but wants to just talk to girls and feel the vibe in a relaxed place. Which places would you recommend? I didn't make it out tonscadallo and I may want to save that for when he is more comfortable. I have done mostly the clinicals here. Suggestions?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2800477]There's always been Scandallo detractors. Don't let some recent chatter from a few members spook you.

If one has mongered in North America and anywhere else in the world recently, you know that prices for escorts has gone up like everything else. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2800839]Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.[/QUOTE]There's just one problem with your statement. I've never been to Peru but the service in Columbia [B]is not[/B] the same. For my purposes and needs service is Brazil is superior. I know both countries very well and have zero desire to monger in Colombia ever again when I know I can go to the best place in the world to monger for me, which is Brazil. I would even go to Germany before going to Colombia.

Saturday almost all boates are crowded and ratio man / woman goes 2/1.

I haven't experienced a night club with working girls for saturdays (I go to dance or concerts during weekends), but Tuesday. Friday Cafe Photo has the vibe your friend is looking for.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2800838]So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. He probably won't session but wants to just talk to girls and feel the vibe in a relaxed place. Which places would you recommend? I didn't make it out tonscadallo and I may want to save that for when he is more comfortable. I have done mostly the clinicals here. Suggestions?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2800838]So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. He probably won't session but wants to just talk to girls and feel the vibe in a relaxed place. Which places would you recommend? I didn't make it out to scandallo and I may want to save that for when he is more comfortable. I have done mostly the clinicals here. Suggestions?[/QUOTE]Saturday may turn out to be your lucky night, RonhinC, because Saturday nights in SP are usually slower and quieter than Wed thru Friday nights. Therefore, I think Scandallo will be perfect for you guys. There will still be plenty of attractive girls all around, but it will feel like a more relaxed environment with fewer people and semi private little spaces in the courtyard to "talk to the girls and feel the vibe. " KKK.

This as opposed to the usual Thursday or Friday nights at Scandallo when the place is near capacity, and it really rocks.

I just returned from a week-long trip to SP and spent 3 and a half nights at Scandallo. It seems a lot of BMs were also there recently. Thank you, guys for all your reports! I will be posting my thoughts and experiences at Scandallo and SP hobbying in general from my recent trip in another post.

As a big fan of Scandallo, I am intrigued by the varying opinions, praise and criticisms of this high end boate, so I will chime in with my 2 dollars (my posts are like novels).

I think the Scandallo is amazing and my favorite hobbying venue in the world, but might not be the best option for others depending on a their aesthetics, mongering patterns and preferences, time in Sao Paulo, economics, sense of value or type of preferred garotas, etc. While I think some of the criticisms of the club are valid, I think many are flawed.

[B]Inflationary Pressures and their Target Audience:[/B]

Much of the recent complaints, including my own, about the club focus on the increase in the cover and minimum consumption for entry to the club. The increase has definitely outpaced inflation, whether in Brazil or globally. When I first visited in May of 2021, it was R150 to R200 minimum consumption (all following numbers are in real unless with dollar sign) before 7 pm and 300 (200 min consumption + 100 cover) after 7 pm. Now it is 300 min consumption before 7 pm 500 (300 min consumption + 200 cover) after 7 pm. That's an 50-100% increase in min consumption and 100% increase in the cover after 7 pm. The working girls' entry fee has also increased at a similar pace as it went from 200 to 300 to 350.

Some claims the reason for this steep increase is to keep out the lookey looks guys or to increase the standards / caliber of the girls who work there, e. G. , keep out the riff rafts. Other claim the club increased the cost of entry to recoup their renovation costs during the pandemic. Others blame it on supply chain issues and increase in cost of labor. I think there's a sprinkling of truth of to all the above, but I believe the main reason is that they do it is because they feel they can without losing their targeted demographic, which are RICH men (usually locals, but some visitors, and many celebrities, musicians and professional athletes) or businessmen with big expense accounts. You might not like to hear it, but their target audience isn't most of the folks posting on this forum. They will gladly take your money, but could give a shit if you took your business elsewhere. It won't dent their bottom line one bit.

Their ideal customers are those that come in groups and party and drink lots of high end booze, with hot, flirty and available women being the environment to encourage and help with with drinking. Sure they make money from the food, hotel and exit fees, but that's not their bread and butter. Those are ancillary services to sell their main product, which also isn't the girls. Selling high priced liquor and also collecting admission to do so in this men's paradise of an environment is their money maker.

It just comes down to the rich got richer and the poor got poorer during the pandemic and the club is looking to take advantage of this, as their clientele can afford the increase. Heck, if it wasn't for the crazy weak real, many of us on this forum, me included, wouldn't be visiting Scandallo on a regular or infrequent basis. So I thank my lucky stars for the strong dollar / euro / pound vs the real and hope that doesn't change anytime soon, as I find Brazilian women to be amazing!

While I don't like the increase in the min consumption or the cover, it's still a drop in the bucket in the whole scheme of things. We are talking about a 100 increase in cover ($20 USD) and a 100 increase in consumption, and just about anyone would spend the new 300 consumption anyway, unless you are only drinking soda or water and don't eat and maybe buy 1-2 drinks for the girls you talk to. If you are that type of spender, you aren't a valued customer to them and they don't really value your opinion or business. Even if every forum member who would have went to Scandallo boycotted the place, it would not move the needle in the club's management's view on their pricing model.

Spending $40 USD on cove and $60 on drinks and food at a club is chump change for any high end establishment in just about any big developed city in the world. And Sao Paulo is the financial capital of Latin America with the most millionaires in South America, with a diverse population. You will pay more than a $40 cover at most high end clubs at any big city around the world, from New York, LA, Vegas, Miami, London, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, Berlin, Zurich, Tokyo, Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Seoul, Sydney, to Buenos Aires. And that's just some of the cities I've paid similar or much higher cover charge / min consumption to visit a high end club, whether it's a civilian club or one with lots of independent working girls. When looking at it through that lens, it is basically a ZERO to $20 USD increase for admission for most visitor. We've had it really good for a long time and this MINOR adjustment might be overdue. Especially if you do not discount / lump in the minimum consumption with the cover and basically claim you get nothing from the consumption.

[B]Venue Type: [/B]

Complaints about Scandallo for NOT BEING THE VENUE TYPE THEY WANT IT TO BE, rather than ACCEPTING IT FOR WHAT IT IS. Is just illogical IMHO. I don't get pissed at clinicas for not having lots of super models. I don't get upset at not having Michelin quality meals at McDonal's. I don't get pissed off at economy class on commercial flights not having a flat bed and dine on demand meals. I also don't get pissed at lions for being carnivores.

Scandallo IS NOT a brothel or freelancer bar where the girls line up and wait on you to choose them. For that you can go to Thermae or the Maria in Bangkok, Malioboro in Jakarta, FKKs in Germany / Switzerland, countless places in Spain, etc. Scandallo is a bar, restaurant, disco where there is a high cost of admission (at least for locals) which brings together men (and a few ladies) of means with hot women who are willing to provide companionship for some paper. It might facilitate P4 P activities, but the other aspects of the venue can't be ignored, where lots of drinking and socializing are involved.

Most of the guys aren't trying to impress the girls with their drinking or socializing. They have expensive bottle of liquor and VIP booths because they enjoy drinking the good stuff and hanging with their friends, co-workers, family members, etc. While surrounded by beautiful women who are willing to offer them companionship and sex for what's in their pants. Specifically the money in their wallet. They spend what you consider "ridiculous amounts of money" to have fun. To them. It's just "money".

You might consider it a *house, but IT IS NOT. It might easily facilitate P4 P action, but the girls are independent and have free will. They can turn you down with a flat "No Thanks", reject you by quoting an insane price, not taking what they don't feel is fair to them to spend time with you, make an excuse they are waiting on a client, etc.

You might also not consider it to be a nightclub, but IT IS a nightclub at night. Many guys go there with ZERO intention of taking a girl to a room in the hotel or out of the cub. Quite a lot guys just go to Scandallo to drink and socialize with friends and grope, dance with, make out, look at pretty women. Some might take digits for an outside rendezvous, while others just hang and let their friends have fun. It is just a nightclub with the option of easy P4 P if you wish to partake and have the coin, which isn't the same as a *house or brothel, with set rates and few girls can say no to you.

What I love about Scandallo is that it a different venue with a different vibe at different times during the day. In the afternoon, it's more chill and you see different types of girls working there. In the early evening, it AMPS up a bit without being too louds or crazy. During late night, it can be a madhouse of debauchery.

If the above is not your cup of tea, there are countless other hobbying venues in Sao Paulo and Brazil in general for you to have your fun, and hopefully in an environment and venue that more suits your hobbying style. During my most recent trip, I went to other boates from low brow Casarao to homely Bomboa, to high end clinicas / massage places like the Palms and Oro Spa, to good value clinicas popular with the locals like Tangara and Prime and even dabbled in online escorts and SA for the first time in Sampa.

[B]Pricing or Value of Girls: [/B]

I've seen the pricing go up from early 2021 to present day in regards to what the girls quote and are willing to accept. Hobbying inflation has outpaced normal inflation, in part due to the break many girls and clients took during the pandemic. Girls coming back to work want to make up for lost income. Guys missing out on their fun and with increased savings from not hobbying, are also willing to open their pocketbooks. With that said, I haven't found it to be too much of an increase compared to other cities I've hobbied at during and after the pandemic.

In 2021, I was getting:

Quoted:800 to 1,000 and they accepted 5-700 for 1 hour.

Quoted 1,000 to 1,500 and accepted 800 to 1200 for overnights.

In 2022, I was getting:

Quoted 800 to 1,2000 for one hour and they accepted 6-800 for 1 hour.

Quoted 1,000 to 2,000, but quickly accepted 1,000 to 1,500 for overnights.

Now in 2023, I've been.

Quoted 800 to 1,500 and accepted 600 to 1,000 for one hour.

Quoted 1,000 to 3,500 and accepted 1,000 to 2,000 for overnights.

It was mostly the ceiling that increased, as the floor prices can still be had.

I usually ignored the 3,000+ quotes, and the few I tried to negotiate with usually didn't budge so I moved on. Luckily, 90% of them weren't my type anyway. I did make one exception and it was one of the best nights I had in SP.

So from MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, the inflation wasn't that high compared to other hobbying locales, and I've mongered at FKKs in Europe, gogos, strip clubs, soapies, indy pickup bars in SE Asia and Latin America and online escorts and massage places in the US. All those places saw a 40 to 150% increase in hobbying prices.

At the end of the day, it also comes down to YMMV and what you bring to the able when it comes to negotiating prices with girls at Scandallo. They aren't clinica girls you just point and shoot and pay a set price. The prices you get quoted and what they accept depends a lot on how you present yourself in terms of looks, hygiene, personality, negotiating skills, ability to read the girl, ability to make her laugh or charm her. I am not saying that if you look like DiCaprio and don't flash much cash, that the girls will sleep with you for free or give you a super steep discount. Although, one time a girl INSISTED I take her up to the room for a free session (I still had to pay for the hotel fee) because I was not happy with how our last meeting went and she wanted to make sure she rocked my world (and she did) so I didn't think poorly of her.

I've had friends and heard stories from friends about situations where they totally got hustled on pricing, usually on their first visit, as they had the deer in the headlights look, and got taken advantage of. One personal friend paid almost 3 x more than I've ever paid at that point in time, for an overnight. When his pernoite was done, he had no regrets and he might have had gotten very good value. The girl was a nymphomaniac and they went at it all night. Past sunrise and she didn't let him rest until it was time for Sunday brunch! It was some of the best sex he ever had. Another friend of a friend paid a similar amount on his first visit for JUST ONE HOUR, and unfortunately only had a mediocre session. He ignored his friend's advice to check with him about pricing before going up to the room, but ignored his advice. He learned his lesson and is now having a blast in SP, while paying more appropriate pricing.

With that said, I've met girls who are level headed, not just about money and quite balanced. Many of them are so hot that they usually can find a guy to take them out of the club within a few of hours of entering the club. I've seen some of those on a regular basis and they tell me they are selective about who they choose and just want a fun time with good company. They also sometimes would charge less to those guys as they find their "job" less tiring and demanding than the "party crowd" and are forward thinking, as they are after repeat business with guys they like and perhaps hook a rich sugar daddy to take them on trips and nice dates. Some of these girls only drop by the club when they have an opening in their busy schedule, as they are usually either traveling with clients or seeing them outside the club on a regular basis or have professional pursuits that take up a lot of their time.

One constant argument about high pricing involves rolling in the cost of the cover and consumption into the cost of a "fuck". That's disingenuous, as it discounts all the value you get from paying your cover and consumption. Here is what I feel I get from my cover and consumption.

I get to be in a posh and luxurious environment to hang with friends, or if solo, a relaxed and comfortable place to meet higher quality working girls. The environment brings a lot of higher end women in one place for me to peruse and choose. Many of them are highly educated professionals or talented artists or beautiful models. I've met doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, artists, grad students, actresses and print / commercial models. Some just work at the club infrequently, as they might be going through a bit of a rough patch, want to buy something nice for a special occasion, are single parents who need a quick boost, saving for school / new career, etc. I've even met a few who came from a silver spoon upbrining with good paying jobs and just love sex and being wine and dined. As they like to put it, "they like to spend their money on themselves on their own wants, but like to have a guy spoil them as well. " In the club, they can have the best of both worlds without any attachments or drama.

I get to see the goods up close and personal, without worrying about IG filters, etc. I can take my time and get to know them and see if we might be a good fit and whether their personality would lead to a good time. I can't do that vetting at a clinica or with an online escort or on a SA site (without spending a lot of time and energy, which I value). Scandallo brings all the girls to the yard and creates an ideal environment for me to pick and choose. I certainly see a ton of value in that and would gladly pay the 200 cover.

As for the consumption, you get what you pay for, although at an inflated price, but that's the same at any high end club. No one is forcing you to blow through 1,500 to 3,000 in consumption. If you are frugile, you can still eat just fine and drink okay with the 300 consumptions. Many of my friends are able to have a nice dinner and a few drinks on that consumption so it's not super pricey. It's not like they are charging you 300 for water.

Perhaps you get zero value from the above, but if that's the case, what are you doing in a place like Scandallo, when you can go to a point and shoot hobbying venue?

Something not praised much on the forums (which I find curious) is the amazingly beneficial value in Brazilian hooker math for pernoite / overnights. It is usually just 50 to 100% more than a 1 hour session. For at most 2 x the hourly rate, you can get up to 12 to 16 hours with a girl. Sometimes it might be as little as 2-3 hours if a girl wants to leave after you pop, but that's why it's important to define the parameters of the overnight with the girl. Most of my overnights with Scandallo girls lasted from dinner until a late breakfast in bed or brunch the next day! An overnight in most western hobbying venue would be 6 to 10 x the hourly rate for 12 hours.

[B]Service Negotiation: [/B]

I used to use the "Go with the Flow" approach and trust my gut and people reading skills when it comes to the "vetting process". I usually buy a drink for a girl I am interested in and we shoot the breeze. I try to gauge her personality and demeanor and what I can read in her eyes (I used to pay A LOT of poker, which comes in handy) to determine if we have chemistry and would be a good fit. It worked just fine most of the time, but those few slips through the cracks did irk me and I have refined my approach.

Now when I "interview" a girl, I do what I usually do, but when I believe we are a good fit and I would be willing to "pull the trigger" and take her out of the club (I prefer pernoite over 1 hour "test run" sessions), I would tactfully and deftly ask some service oriented questions. I don't ask outright whether you do service A, be, see or the. Instead, I usually ask her what she likes in bed as I want to respect her boundaries and that mutual respect is important, which I believe as well. I don't want a girl grudgingly doing a service they don't enjoy or just outright lie and then reneg.

Usually they would either act shy or say they like everything and likes to please. This usually leaves me with an opening and allows me to say, "since you are shy and really don't want to say. Or that sounds too general and I want to make sure we have a good time, I'll make it easy for you and let you know what I like". I then let them know what I like and want in bed and then I ask them whether they are okay with the services I like / want (DFK, BBBJ, have high energy / stamina, like lots of foreplay and massages, CIM, etc.). As I am generally after a high energy / stamina oriented GFE experience, and don't have any crazy fetishes, they are almost always okay with my service requests. Only 1 or 2 girls every said no, and that was to BBBJ so I cut her loose. On a few occasions, I've even broached the subject of BBFS with a girl that I feel a great connection with and also feel she is "clean". I usually ask her if she has been recently tested or willing to get tested and explain to her that I have recent tests, take PreP and is clipped.

So I don't see a fault in either approach. Whether it's go with the flow or ask in a respectful and / or deft manner. However, I wouldn't go up to a girl at Scandallo with a pre-printed list of service questions in Portuguese and ask her to answer them. I think that would 1) put her on the defensive, 2) have her either say no when it could be a yes when asked the right way or 3) lie outright and give you either the minimal definition of the service or lie and not provide it at all in the room.

I am a firm believer in that if you treat the girls with respect and a person, you GENERALLY will get the same treatment back, especially when a lot of the local Brazilian men (or so I'm told by most of the Scandallo girls I've been with) are basically super macho and treat them like pieces of meat. Afterall, most of us are just after a mutually beneficial relationship / transaction with someone whose company we enjoy. Anything to further that goal is a win-win for both parties.

At the end of the day, I am not trying to tell anyone what is the best way for them to hobby. There are so many options in Sao Paulo. You should do what best works for you! However, it's also unrealistic, a bit arrogant, a little silly to think that those from this forum have much of an impact on how a club like Scandallo functions. Best advice I can give is my opinion on how best to navigate THIS SPECIFIC hobbying environment / venue and extract the best value and experiences you can from such a wonderful (to me) establishment.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2800841]Saturday almost all boates are crowded and ratio man / woman goes 2/1.

I haven't experienced a night club with working girls for saturdays (I go to dance or concerts during weekends), but Tuesday. Friday Cafe Photo has the vibe your friend is looking for.[/QUOTE]I second Cafe Photo fitting the bill for what you are after. It is a much calmer and smaller (both in size and amount of girls, but generally good quality) version of Scandallo. Good high end boate for a newbie to visit.

It's not for me due to the size and quantity of talent, but also a good change of pace.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2800865]I just returned from a week-long trip to SP and spent 3 and a half nights at Scandallo. It seems a lot of BMs were also there recently. Thank you, guys for all your reports! I will be posting my thoughts and experiences at Scandallo and SP hobbying in general from my recent trip in another post.

As a big fan of Scandallo, I am intrigued by the varying opinions, praise and criticisms of this high end boate, so I will chime in with my 2 dollars (my posts are like novels).

I think the Scandallo is amazing and my favorite hobbying venue in the world, but might not be the best option for others depending on a their aesthetics, mongering patterns and preferences, time in Sao Paulo, economics, sense of value or type of preferred garotas, etc. While I think some of the criticisms of the club are valid, I think many are flawed.[/QUOTE]Well written, many valid points of which I agree with.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2800865] They will gladly take your money, but could give a shit if you took your business elsewhere. It won't dent their bottom line one bit.
[/QUOTE]Great report. Pretty much agree with everything you wrote!

This line is what everyone needs to understand. Boycott it if you want but it won't affect them. The only person it affects is you since you miss out on what Scandello is.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2800865]One constant argument about high pricing involves rolling in the cost of the cover and consumption into the cost of a "fuck". That's disingenuous, as it discounts all the value you get from paying your cover and consumption.[/QUOTE]I agree with this sentiment all the way. People always want to count the price of admission towards the price of a fuck, but this not correct as the admission charge carries its own separate value. At a place like a Scandallo (or a German FKK) you get something in direct exchange for what you paid for access to the club that stands apart from having sex. As you noted, a lot of guys don't even go to the room and enjoy just hanging out with friends and drinking and flirting and taking in the scene. If somebody doesn't value that sort of thing OK so then don't go. Now, I think that the nexus between having to pay extra to occupy a room is close enough to the fuck that it's appropriate to roll that into the overall cost of the fuck. But otherwise the cost of admission is the cost of admission, and the cost of a fuck is the cost of a fuck. They are not one and the same and should be viewed to carry their own separate value.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2800865]I just returned from a week-long trip to SP and spent 3 and a half nights at Scandallo. It seems a lot of BMs were also there recently. Thank you, guys for all your reports! I will be posting my thoughts and experiences at Scandallo and SP hobbying in general from my recent trip in another post.

As a big fan of Scandallo, I am intrigued by the varying opinions, praise and criticisms of this high end boate, so I will chime in with my 2 dollars (my posts are like novels).

At the end of the day, I am not trying to tell anyone what is the best way for them to hobby. There are so many options in Sao Paulo. You should do what best works for you! However, it's also unrealistic, a bit arrogant, a little silly to think that those from this forum have much of an impact on how a club like Scandallo functions. Best advice I can give is my opinion on how best to navigate THIS SPECIFIC hobbying environment / venue and extract the best value and experiences you can from such a wonderful (to me) establishment.[/QUOTE]This such a thoughtful and informative post. Thank you Socrates.

Question for you: After Scandallo, what is currently your 2nd and 3rd favorite places? (Could include casas, escort site, etc).

There is only one point I slightly disagree with: your rationale for why mongering prices are going up worldwide. As with everything in economics, it is fundamentally a question of supply and demand. Demand is going up because a lot more guys are in on the action. This is due the Internet (YouTube, IG, etc) informing everyone, a growing upper-middle class in many countries (Korea, China, now India), and the rich getting richer (as you pointed out). There has also been a decrease in the supply. This is partially due a decline in birth rates. In Brazil, around 1980, a woman on average would give birth to four children. In 2000, it's only two. That means the supply of girls in their 20's is half of what of what it was twenty years ago. There are similar trends in other countries including Thailand. Also, in many countries although the standard of living is low, it is not as low as it was 20 years ago. So women don't need to do this kind of work as much. So we are seeing an increase in prices more than inflation due to both an increase in demand and a decrease in supply (of quality talent). This trend of mongering prices outpacing inflation will only continue.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2800838]So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. ...[/QUOTE]Go to Scandallo because it has everything and why go to the second best. It's only the dance floor in the club area will be crowded. It has a pool tables and videogames, good size restaurants, cafe, large outdoor area. I don't think you will have problem finding quiet on a Saturday.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2800840]There's just one problem with your statement. I've never been to Peru but the service in Columbia [B]is not[/B] the same. For my purposes and needs service is Brazil is superior. I know both countries very well ....[/QUOTE]Both are very good, each has it's own advantage. You are just doing it wrong.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2800983]Both are very good, each has it's own advantage. You are just doing it wrong.[/QUOTE]Thanks for telling me how to monger Nounce (rolling eyes). I'm not doing anything "wrong". No, I know what I like and that's what I go for. Brazil and Germany with their termas and FKK cultures are my numbers 1 and 2. How can I even be doing Colombia "wrong" when it doesn't even have anything like that LOL! Of course each has its advantages and disadvantages. I've already considered and weighed those a long time ago and concluded that Colombia's advantages are for me outweighed by the advantages of Brazil and Germany. If you have some advice to offer about mongering in a place fine, but stop telling somebody else they're "doing it wrong". People have their own likes and dislikes, and there is no one "correct way" to monger. I don't know how many times that has to be said. Apparently a lot!

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2800950]
Question for you: After Scandallo, what is currently your 2nd and 3rd favorite places? (Could include casas, escort site, etc).
[/QUOTE]Scandallo is my favorite place simply because it ranks at the top in almost all the criteria I find important in a hobbying venue for Brazil (quantity of girls, quality of girls, ambiance, setting, comfort, ability to window shop and vet, etc.) The main drawbacks in relations to other venues in Brazil is the cost and minimum time / convenience. I order online, or just drop by for a quick lunch break like I can at a clinica, but those venues' drawbacks usually outweighs the pros for me.

My other favorite places I like to go to depends on my mood and schedule. Going to Scandallo day in and day out can get boring too! Instead, I'll list 5 of my favorite alternatives to Scandallo that I find enjoyable (in no particular oder).

1 a) Oro Spa – Higher end clinica / massage: Decent location, nice modern luxury facilities comparable to a nice spa / 4 star hotel. IPad lineup, helpful management (George, who speaks English is great) that will give you advice on which girl provides good service, has natural body, speaks English, etc. They have a minimum level of guaranteed GFE service provided. They solicit feedback and complaints seriously according to my friends who are regulars. R610 for 60 min.

1 b) The Palms. Higher end clinica / massage: Good central location, luxury facilities with a more natural outdoor feel and cabana rooms. IPad lineup, helpful management (Gabo, who speaks English is great) that will give you advice on which girl provides good service, has natural body, speaks English, etc. They have a minimum level of guaranteed GFE service provided. They solicit feedback and complaints seriously according to my friends who are regulars. R650 for 60 min.

1 c) Lotus Lounge – Similar to 1 a) Oro Spa in almost every way and close to the Palms. They are more tech savy and have videos in the iPad presentation. They also have a member only schedule update with full face pics online. No English speaking management. R650 for 60 min.

2) Casarao – Raunchy, loud and caters to locals and more regular Joes type of club / boate: Very good location near Av. Paulista (Rua Augusta) in a bit seedier part of town. Cheap entry R50 consumption (I didn't ask about the only admission option, but I think it was R30). If you like the sluttier, trashier, MILFier, darker skinned, bigger women with fake assets, then you are in heaven. The place does not lack in quantity and variety of women, but I found the majority to be in the categories I listed above.

The place doesn't get hopping until like midnight, but when it gets busy during the weekdays, it is super packed. The place is bigger than Bomboa and probably similar in size to Café Photo, but just a different layout. At times it feels as busy or busier than Scandallo on musical guest nights. There is a hotel next door and you can also pay an exit fee (R150?) to take a girl out. There is a 40 min (30 min in reality as the extra time is to clean up) for the girls as well as a 70 min option. The girls usually will take for 250-300 for 30 and 300 to 500 for one hour. Overnights can go from 500 to 1,000. So basically about ½ the price of a Scandallo girl.

I've seen some girls from Scandallo, Café Photo and Bomboa come here, after striking out at the first boate. I know they struck out because I saw them at the other club only 2-3 hours ago without any customers! So when guys say you can find Scandallo girls in Casarao, they are technically correct. But they are usually the girls no one found appealing in the first club. So to say average Scandallo girls = average Casarao girls in quality is misleading. But everyone has different tastes so perhaps the trashy PSE look is more your cup of tea.

3 a, be and c) Tangara, Moema Prime and Abbobora – regular clinicas / massage. My 3 favorite clinicas and in good locations. Big lineup, good quality girls, service has a bigger range than the higher end clinicas, but I've had some amazing service from girls at all 3. Pricing is very affordable from 190,240 to 330 (for the 3 different clinicas) for 60 min.

4) Bomboa – Higher end boate: Great convenient location. Has a very homey feel, like you would find in a nice Latina restaurant with live music. The atmosphere and energy is very nice and decently lively, without it being too loud or overbearing. A lot of girls for its size (usually 50-75 girls and smaller than Casarao by a tad). Good variety and lots of pretty young women of all shapes and sizes. Pricing is on average a little less than Scandallo. R5-700 for 60 min and 800 to 1,500 for overnight. It's my main Scandallo backup when I want to see a different set, but similar quality of girls, when compared to Scandallo. Min consumption has been bumped up to R300.

5) Café Photo – Luxury boate: Great convenient location. I've basically given up on Café Photo as a backup to Scandallo, as they have so little women now (anywhere from 25 to 40) and the girls ask for almost as much as Scandallo. I like the logistics (setting, location, service from the staff and lack of an exit fee), but they lack in what matters most, a lot of hot women to choose from. They have 1/6th to 1/10th the amount of girls when compared to Scandallo. The average quality is only slightly worse compared to Scandallo, but when their lineup is so much smaller, you can easily leave the place empty handed if all the hot ones are occupied. I come here only if I want a relaxing change of pace with a shorter uber ride from my hotel. R350 admission, on some nights all of it is consumption.

[QUOTE]There is only one point I slightly disagree with: your rationale for why mongering prices are going up worldwide. As with everything in economics, it is fundamentally a question of supply and demand. Demand is going up because a lot more guys are in on the action. This is due the Internet (YouTube, IG, etc) informing everyone, a growing upper-middle class in many countries (Korea, China, now India), and the rich getting richer (as you pointed out). There has also been a decrease in the supply. This is partially due a decline in birth rates. In Brazil, around 1980, a woman on average would give birth to four children. In 2000, it's only two. That means the supply of girls in their 20's is half of what of what it was twenty years ago. There are similar trends in other countries including Thailand. Also, in many countries although the standard of living is low, it is not as low as it was 20 years ago. So women don't need to do this kind of work as much. So we are seeing an increase in prices more than inflation due to both an increase in demand and a decrease in supply (of quality talent). This trend of mongering prices outpacing inflation will only continue.[/QUOTE]You make a very valid point in regards to the increase in the price of the working girls globally. However, my comments were about the increase in pricing of the cover and min consumption for Scandallo, which has very little correlation to what the girls ask / accept from the guys.

I believe my only point about the increase in mongering prices is that it has increased anywhere from 40% to 150% globally. So I actually don't find the increase in mongering prices in Sao Paulo, and of the Scandallo girls specifically, to be that bad. This is especially true, when I see mostly the upward shift mostly in the ceiling of the price range, with the floor pricing still attainable.

I'm reading the word negotiation a lot these days. Sounds like guys are negotiating at the Yalta meeting with two armies in front.

This is not the case with working girls. Let me start with an example.

When you want to fuck a friend, you invite her to have a drink or dinner, right? If she drinks with you, chances to F**k her is 99,99%.

The same goes with working girls. If you and she get a little drunk or have a nice meal or a box of stu*the chocolates, they'll do way more you have talked.

You're not the dish, it's the other way around.

My time in Sao Paulo has come to an end, so I'm here to share my final experiences and thoughts.

On Tuesday I went to Bomboa again, and I'm almost starting to think you're better off not speaking Portuguese. I had the same host from my previous trips, and the service is spectacular. He brings me my drink, the food menu, and asks what kind of girl I'm looking for, and says he has a great choice in mind. I want to be really clear this isn't a hustle, he even says if someone else tries to sit with me don't buy them a drink, he knows the perfect one. Boy was he right. This girl was 22 with a gorgeous face, long black hair, and a spectacular natural body. She was really nice as we sat and talked, and my god her service was impeccable. I could not find a single thing to complain about if I tried, well worth every bit of the R800 I offered her. At the end of the night when you close your tab they do ask for a tip as mentioned before, and my host absolutely deserved that 15%.

Based on the urging of this wonderful community I decided to give Casarao another shot, and wow am I glad I did. I arrived on Thursday around 11 pm and after a half hour of milling about with my beer I saw a woman who would be al all star at Scandallo. Unfortunately everyone else sees her too, and while I passed her a few times she isn't alone for a minute all night. I walk a bit more and see another girl with dark hair who looks to be my type. I chat her up and things seem to be going well, I buy her a drink, but when I ask how much she tells me R700 for an hour. I tell her R400 is what I was thinking, and somewhat surprisingly she held firm. We part ways fairly amicably, and I'm back on the hunt. Maybe 20 minutes later I find a girl with a red hair, a tall slim frame, cute little butt, big tits and a gorgeous face. Very quickly I knew I wanted to take her next door, so I offer R400 for an hour, she counters with R500, I accept and off we go. It's important to note here that the hotel does not have enough rooms to really accommodate the demand. Frequently you will get stuck sitting in the lobby waiting for a room, and the line can be 20+ couples long. It also means that they do a fairly shit job of cleaning the rooms, so just be aware. Anyway we finally make it to the room, and the girl was fantastic. Her clothes came off and I instantly knew I made the right choice, and the service was really hot and passionate. I head back downstairs, and maybe an hour later I see the R700 girl again. I offer her R500 and as the night isn't getting any longer she pretty quickly accepts. The wait time in the lobby is again a bit long. Upstairs her service was decent, but not quite on par with the first one. We finish up, and I hang out in the hotel until my Uber is close. I happen to see all star there, also waiting for her ride and chat her up briefly. While Bomboa and Scandallo are strict about scheduling for the girls, Casarao seems to be very flexible. Because of that, I imagine a lot of hot but unreliable girls find their way there.

Friday night I decide Casarao is worth another trip. The landscape is fairly bleak, but at 12:30 pm the redhead from the previous night enters the room. I flag her down and five minutes later we go next door. She absolutely delivers again, and I make my way back to the bar. An hour goes by and I find a second girl who is shorter with very pale skin, dark hair, a tiny waist and a fantastic ass. We are chatting a bit and things are going well, but a Brazilian guy walks over and blatantly interrupts the conversation. I don't speak Portuguese so I don't understand what hes saying, but the general tone is clear. After maybe a minute the girl gets him to fuck off, but I mention it because on average I noticed people are significantly ruder at Casarao relative to other places. I offer the girl R500 for an hour, and while I could tell she wanted more she accepts and off we go. The wait in the lobby is a pain, but it is a decent time to flirt with the girl that you don't get in the club when its packed. We finally get the room and her service was fantastic, and somehow her ass was even more amazing than it looked in the dress.

Overall I strongly recommend Casarao, with a few caveats. Its often standing room only, and moving about can be a real challenge. In my opinion its not the slower paced experience you'll have in Bomboa or Scandallo where you get to feel the girls out and shop around. If you see one you like don't hesitate, just grab her and go. If its not amazing, for the price you pay you can easily find another girl. It definitely has the vibe of a packed pre Covid Tijuana club if that's helpful for anyone. For a long term stay, Casarao would absolutely be a staple of my week.

Finally I wrapped up my trip with a Saturday at Scandallo. I hadn't been to the club on a weekend in forever, and it looked like the apocalypse. Don't get me wrong it was an apocalypse you'd kill for anywhere else, but for Scandallo it was barren. I talk with a girl at the bar to pass the time, but its just polite conversation and I preempt it by saying I'm leaving shortly. With my time in Sao Paulo dwindling fast I was tempted to make a third run to Casarao. I make my way to the elevator, for the first time ready to leave Scandallo without fucking, and see a cute girl on the sofa looking incredibly bored. I walk over and ask to sit. She doesn't speak English, but after an introduction with my three lines of Portuguese I break out the translator and offer her a drink. We make our way to the patio and the chemistry is insane. We're flirting and making out, passing my phone back and forth for the translator, and after maybe 45 minutes of that I offer her R800 to go upstairs. Off we go, and once we were in the room this girl was mind blowing. It was the perfect blend of passionate, sweet, and filthy. If I was here one more week I'd want to fuck her seven more times. A lot of people, mostly in person, try to convince me that Scandallo isn't worth it. They say the clinica girls are just as good, and while I'm sure there is plenty of overlap in terms of girls, the sex I've had with Scandallo girls is consistently on another level in terms of passion and intensity. You do have to be picky, and be willing to so no to otherwise attractive women, but its so rewarding to find the right ones. Its also not easy on the wallet, but when I'm back home I'll be thinking about these women for months. One thing to note, it sounds like there is now an R1,000 minimum charge when paying a girl with a card at the hotel. I can't confirm it personally, but it was something I heard so I wanted to pass it along.

In closing my one piece of advice I took from this trip that I'd like to share is if a girl is difficult, she's almost certainly not worth it. I don't care how good she looks or how much your dick is begging to be inside her, if she is really jamming you up on price or getting pushy about something, she isn't going to have a better attitude in the room. That's not to say any of those women are terrible or bad fucks, but if you're in Brazil you are literally surrounded by dozens of better options. Let her go and find one of them.

Also this is a little delayed, for some reason I kept getting an error while trying to post last week.

One of my absolute stunners, brazilian magazine model. During negotiation we never talked about doggy style, or BBJ, pictures or anything.

For our first date I only gave her what she wanted: Cameras (girls love interviews), a place where she could make lots of selfies for her insta, a nice hotel, few drinks (we were drunk actually) and she gave me a wild f**k. When I asked her I wanted to f**k her in the ass, she went naked to her room to bring oil, naked! That was fun LOL.

Yeah, silicon tits, god bless her plastic surgeon!

Remember, she's the dish. Not you.

SP Recap.

"My time in Sao Paulo has come to an end, so I'm here to share my final experiences and thoughts. ".

Thanks for taking the time JZ to write a very informative post. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2800985]Thanks for telling me how to monger Nounce (rolling eyes). ...[/QUOTE]I would not have responded if your post is independent. I am responding to your reply to another post. You can apply what you said to my post now to that reply.

I think what OP means about service is that like "cars are cheaper in Colombia" while you are saying "Brazil has better cars". I would guess most would agree with both statements.

Instead of comparing, I think most frequent posters here will always like Brazil better, and same for the Colombia mongers. That makes them a tie in my view. But then if you just read the reports in general, I think Colombia has the edge. It's wilder and one can see sex that just not in Brazil reports. MB1 has been to both places and has very selective taste, where does he monger now? On both boards, on top of my head, the only member that I think can easily switch side to Colombia is AH. I could be completely wrong but it would be interesting to see what happens if he makes the move. Haha. It's because he checks all the boxes, his taste, and certain habit that ensures he will have even better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801254]I think what OP means about service is that like "cars are cheaper in Colombia" while you are saying "Brazil has better cars". I would guess most would agree with both statements.

Instead of comparing, I think most frequent posters here will always like Brazil better, and same for the Colombia mongers. That makes them a tie in my view. But then if you just read the reports in general, I think Colombia has the edge. It's wilder and one can see sex that just not in Brazil reports. MB1 has been to both places and has very selective taste, where does he monger now? On both boards, on top of my head, the only member that I think can easily switch side to Colombia is AH. I could be completely wrong but it would be interesting to see what happens if he makes the move. Haha. It's because he checks all the boxes, his taste, and certain habit that ensures he will have even better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.[/QUOTE]In another lifetime, more than 30 years ago, I traveled around Colombia extensively and have a lot of great memories. I liked San Andres Island where I shagged my 1st Colombiana, Cartagena where I had a pretty black GF who fucked me for free (I still can recall her name, Mercedes), Santa Marta, Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Popayan where I smoked a lot of weed (anyone familiar with the strain called Mango Biche), and San Agustin. The country was certainly wilder than Brazil back then with all the cocaine trafficking and FARC BS going on and I assume it still relatively wild today although I could be wrong. KKK.

Nonetheless. I will always think of Colombia as the wild west of SA and when I was a young man full of youthful energy & overflowing with testosterone, I loved it. I loved the adventure and I loved the girls. Ha Ha. But today I am in love with Brazilian girls and the relatively tranquillo vibe going on in Brazil. Someday I might get bored with Brazilian girls and decide to revisit Colombia to see what's up & what has changed, but right now I have very little desire to do so. In fact, my only regret looking back was that I did not check out Brazil in the 1980's when I had ample opportunities and instead I chose to hang out mostly in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and CR. But all that was before I headed EAST in '89 and discovered Thai girls.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2800969]Go to Scandallo because it has everything and why go to the second best. It's only the dance floor in the club area will be crowded. It has a pool tables and videogames, good size restaurants, cafe, large outdoor area. I don't think you will have problem finding quiet on a Saturday.[/QUOTE]Scandolla has a pool table and video games?

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2801324]Scandolla has a pool table and video games?[/QUOTE]Have a look. You can see a pool table in one of these and some games in another. Also some garotas who aren't atypical for Scandallo:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xObcvYZ1Ak&list=LL&index=2[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdhYePsTaTk&list=LL&index=3[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJuV6eHV1Gk&list=LL&index=1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo&list=LL&index=10[/URL]

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2801098]
On Tuesday I went to Bomboa again, and I'm almost starting to think you're better off not speaking Portuguese. I had the same host from my previous trips, and the service is spectacular. He brings me my drink, the food menu, and asks what kind of girl I'm looking for, and says he has a great choice in mind. I want to be really clear this isn't a hustle, he even says if someone else tries to sit with me don't buy them a drink, he knows the perfect one. Boy was he right. This girl was 22 with a gorgeous face, long black hair, and a spectacular natural body. She was really nice as we sat and talked, and my god her service was impeccable. I could not find a single thing to complain about if I tried, well worth every bit of the R800 I offered her. At the end of the night when you close your tab they do ask for a tip as mentioned before, and my host absolutely deserved that 15%..[/QUOTE]I had similar thoughts about Bomboa during a visit last week. I was assigned an English speaking host and he was great. He asked my taste in women and then brought a few over. When we didn't click, he suggested we walk the room together and point out girls that interested me. Then he would give the low down on them (whether past clients had a good time, whether they spoke English, and he would tell me if he didn't know the girl as well). This ended with me partnering with a hot blonde who gave me a good time back at my place.

I tipped my host R50 before I left, but was surprised to see a 15% service charge on the bill. As SP doesn't have a tipping culture, I wonder if they also do that to the locals. I mentioned I already took care of my host with a cash tip, but they still insisted as this service charge was for the whole service staff team. As I took a girl out, I believe the 15% also applied to the exit fee, which I feel is wrong. It's like adding tip on the taxes in the US. At the end of the day, it wasn't that much so I let it go, but the whole unannounced 15% felt forced and mandatory. Bamboa also charges a CC service charge based on % of the bill, which Scandallo does not.

As Bamboa also upped their minimum consumption from R200 to R300, once you add in the 15% service charge and CC service charge, which basically increases all consumption cost, I am not sure if Bamboa is a good alternative to Scandallo anymore when you want a more laid back and cheaper change of pace. Bamboa now cost more than Scandallo (if you go there before 7 pm) or very similar in pricing if you go after 7 pm. Why pay more or almost the same to go to a place that is inferior to Scandallo in almost every way?

It felt to me like they are trying to keep up with the Jones, but overplayed their hand with a double whammy of increases. I don't think I'll be visiting Bamboa anytime soon, and that's even after having good service from a Bamboa host and finding a nice girl who gave me a good time. I felt l paid about the same as if I went to Scandallo and would have left with a hotter girl there.

I have crossed Caf Photo off my list for the same reasons. They also have a 15% service charge, CC service charge and a R350 entry (R150 consumption). When the pricing once all the fees are added is similar to Scandallo and you offer much less in every way, why bother going there?

I currently only consider Casarao and Connection to be "value" alternatives to Scandallo among the boates I've visited.

[QUOTE]
Overall I strongly recommend Casarao, with a few caveats. Its often standing room only, and moving about can be a real challenge. In my opinion its not the slower paced experience you'll have in Bomboa or Scandallo where you get to feel the girls out and shop around. If you see one you like don't hesitate, just grab her and go. If its not amazing, for the price you pay you can easily find another girl. It definitely has the vibe of a packed pre Covid Tijuana club if that's helpful for anyone. For a long term stay, Casarao would absolutely be a staple of my week.[/QUOTE]Very good points about the crowding and standing room only at times at Casarao. It's definitely more difficult to relax and chill and slowly peruse the talent. You can't just find a seat and enjoy a whiskey with a Cubano and just watch as the parade of hotties come and go trying to entice you. It's more like a packed bar / night club where guys and girls are just walking around the club trying to find a partner.

I would disagree with the suggestion about "If you see one you like don't hesitate, just grab her and go. " A few friends and even a few patrons of the club mentioned to me that any girl you see who is unavailable now, will be free soon enough. Due to the clientele and the type of place it is, most local guys only take the girl to the nearby hotel for 30 minutes. And it's rare to have a girl be willing to spend hours talking / smoozing with a guy at the club until he commits, which can be common in Scandallo.

While it's not a "fast house," it's the closest thing to it among boates in SP. Even if a girl spends 15-30 min talking to a guy, and they spend 60 min in the room, she will be back in 1. 5 hours. But in most cases, if you see a girl leaving the club, she will 95% of the time be back in 30 minutes then it's your turn.

I've been told the best spot to chill at near the entrance. You get to see which girls are entering and leaving the club and usually those are the better looking ones. And if you see a hot girl leaving, you can be pretty much assured she'll be back in 30-45 minutes and you can then make your move, as it's "next man up!

[QUOTE]A lot of people, mostly in person, try to convince me that Scandallo isn't worth it. They say the clinica girls are just as good, and while I'm sure there is plenty of overlap in terms of girls, the sex I've had with Scandallo girls is consistently on another level in terms of passion and intensity. .[/QUOTE]A few other comments about Casarao from my personal experiences my last two trips. Most of the girls I saw at Scandallo wouldn't go there with me. They believe the area and club is too seedy and the clientele to be too rough. Many were shocked that I wanted to visit Casarao, even if it was to accompany a friend. I don't know if it's all an act or the type of girls I select at Scandallo, but I sense a lot of truth to what they were saying by their posture, body language, tone and what I can read from their eyes.

This just reinforces my belief that a significant portion of the Scandallo girls would never be found in Casarao, clinicas or other venues. Sure there are some crossover between the two clubs in terms of girls who work there. Any girl can try to work at Scandallo, from SA / MP / Online girls, clinica girls, Casarao or other boate girls or even hot pink book girls. All they need to do is pay their 300-350 admission cost and keep coming back or get a saida for a free invite back. And the free invite at Scandallo is more flexible now according to a few girls I spoke to. The free invite used to be only valid for the next business day (exclusions for Saturday and Monday), but is now valid for the next two working days.

Their success depends on whether they can compete with the other girls who show up, which can be a challenge as much of the clientele prefer girls with more hotness, class, education, charisma, etc. As the club is dominated by rich locals, I'm told by most of the Scandallo girls that the local Brazilians prefer tall, thin, tanned girls with big ass and tits, who can carry a conversation and drink like they have a hole in their shoes. Then there is the subset of rich Asians that frequent the place who prefer the pale skinned, innocent looking pretty thin girls.

I've seen a girl at Scandallo during the 4 pmt o 12 am shift leave empty handed and end their night at Casarao. I've seen a Moema clinica girl give Scandallo a try, but fail and then go back to their clinica job to recoup their Scandallo admission. I've seen SA / MP / Online girls give Scandallo a try when their schedule allows it. I've seen pink book girls get a free invite to be eye candy for the club during a slower night, and they disappear the next day back to their life with their sugar daddies or modeling gigs.

So there is a huge cross-over of girls from other venues coming to Scandallo. You'll find the lower tier girls from other venues at Scandallo, but not the higher tier girls from Scandallo at other venues. If they are successful working at Scandallo with any regularity, they usually don't want to go back to their other working venue.

Great Reportage, JZ. I am glad you liked the top 3 SP boates. I concur with most of what you reported, but I do have a few comments:

First on Tipping at Bomboa: I don't like it! In all my previous trips to SP I was never asked to tip my Bomboa waiter. I was assigned the same guy, Orlando, on my Oct / Nov 2021 trip & in my subsequent April / May 2022 trip. Orlando was a 1st class guy and he gave me great service. He never asked for a tip. Why should he? Brazil does not have a tipping culture. But I gave him 400 BR on my last night in Bomboa on both trips BECAUSE he deserved it. He earned it! But I should add that over the course of both of my previous 6 week trips, I spent a significant number of nights in Bomboa.

But something changed on my most recent Oct / Nov trip when I was assigned a different waiter, a younger guy. The new guy hit me up for tips every time I visited Bomboa. His service was still 1st class except for his constant begging / nagging for a tip. I never took heed of his girly suggestions, and he stopped making them after my first visit. But on that 1st night back in Bomboa, he put the touch on me as I was trying to pay my tab. I took him aside and I told him I would take care of him before I left town, but that I would not tip him on a nightly basis. He nodded his understanding of what I saying, but every time I went to Bomboa it was like "Groundhogs Day" the movie with his continued moaning for a tip every time I went to pay my tab. It became annoying and it began to piss me off because I knew he was not asking for tips from his SP customers, and I did not like being treated differently due only to my nationality. So finally, about 4 weeks into the trip, I had enough of the guy. I moved to a different location in the bar near the bandstand and requested that Orlando take over as my waiter. That was that. But before I left SP, I gave Orlando a generous tip for his excellent, PERSONALIZED, service. I did not give a tip to the young waiter because he did not listen to me and that pissed me off.

BTW, No other boate in SP allows its wait staff to ask customers for tips. In fact, I have never had anyone in any boate, terma or clinica ask for a tip and that includes my girls. No wait, come to think of it, one of my Scandallo girls and I used to smoke in the rooms upstairs, and on our 1st night together she suggested I give the cleaning worker 30 BR which I did because it sounded very reasonable and wise. KKK.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2801324]Scandolla has a pool table and video games?[/QUOTE]I took this last year after it was added.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2801341]...I've seen pink book girls get a free invite to be eye candy for the club during a slower night, and they disappear the next day back to their life with their sugar daddies or modeling gigs.....[/QUOTE]I think I met one. That night the club was supposedly crawling with the agency girls, different colors, tall model types. She said her agency told them to come. She also told me when she was asked to go to Scandallo by the owner during the time I was seeing her. But the other member said that was not likely so I was not sure ether.

The interesting thing was they were always in a group. I stood next to them and they other girls sensed that I wanted to talk to one of them and they figured out who it was so they all left with her alone so I could talk to her.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801360]I took this last year after it was added.[/QUOTE]Waste of space. I liked it back when they had the lounge / seating area there.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2801429]Waste of space. I liked it back when they had the lounge / seating area there.[/QUOTE]Yeah, me too. I liked that couch. I auditioned some of my favorite girls on it, but I also like the adjacent bar / outdoor courtyard except on chilly rainy nights.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2801307]. In fact, my only regret looking back was that I did not check out Brazil in the 1980'...[/QUOTE]Is it possible you are repeating the same mistake? You know what I mean. Hehehe.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801522]Is it possible you are repeating the same mistake? You know what I mean. Hehehe.[/QUOTE]You mean in not checking out what Columbia is like today? Perhaps you are right, but I am enjoying my trips to Brazil so much that I can't seem to find the initiative to go anywhere else at the moment, not even to return to my beloved BKK, Phnom Penh, and Jakarta. I keep putting off my return trip to SE Asia in favor of more time in Brazil. My latest travel idea is a 3-month super trip from MIA to GRU to BKK to CGK to MIA. I am also thinking of taking a 2 to 3 week road trip with Valerie, my Scandallo favorite girl, up the Brazilian coast. I think that trip would be a lot of fun, but first I want to see how she does on our 2nd road trip, this time to Ilhabela in May.

I leave Brazil on a late flight today. Last weekend I made a second quick trip to Tangara and saw Carla. Shorty, curvy morena. She had a great attitude and provided good service. I would recommend. $R140 for the hour. Brazil. Spent the week in Camboriú and Curtiba but didn't session. I wish I had gone to Evidence in Curtiba based on a recommendation from someone I met in Tanagra. Also, funny. In Tantara there was a 85 year old guy with a walker and whom I assume with his son there to get serviced. Nice.

Last night I decided to make one last run and my friend ultimately decided he didn't want to go anywhere. So I decided to just quickly hit Casarao. With two trips there it feels pretty familiar at this point. It was close to where we were staying near Sumaré metro. I had a bit of reals left to burn but set myself a $R500 limit that included anal and with a girl I wasn't settling for. Relatively easy parameters for Casarao.

Casarao as a vibe is really not my scene so I tend to want to just get in, find a girl and get out. I treat it almost like a CLínica but insist on a drink with the girl first to check the vibe. As soon as I entereted and wandered downstairs for my G&T I had one girl approach but not my type or standard. It's important to just politely decline and they move on fast. Two more girls approached and same thing. I am not seeing anything that I like but the girls circulate fast and it's only just before midnight. Lots of new arrivals. I make a couple of rounds and hang out by the door hoping to maybe just jump on a a new (re) entering girl. Nothing. Back downstairs. And a girl that had caught my attention on the way up because she looked like a serious gym girl is still there. She is wearing skin tight white pants and a halter top that show off her athletic physique. I decide to take a closer look. Sure enough she has the arms of someone that spends regular time in the gym and the stomach is flat and flawless. I offer her a drink. She gets coconut water. Because she explains she is a serious gym girl. She has video of herself squatting and deadlifting that create the ass she wasn't born with. The only thing I don't like are the bolt-ONS. I really prefer natural girls no matter the size. She circulates between Connections, Scandallo and Casarao. I could see that. She isn't the model type but she puts in the work. She is probably busy at Casarao and Connections and finds some people at Scandallo from time to time who want a toned girl. She is fine with the patter but definitely wants to get to the room. Ok I don't want to hang in Casarao either. I ask her price. $R700. I counter with $400 willing to settle for my $R500 with anal. She says $R500. Ok with anal. No anal is $R650. I order a second drink. I know she wants to go to the room. I make. My offer again $R500 with anal. She accepts immediately. We finish our drinks.

Only a short wait in the line. I think I have the best looking girl there at the moment. We chat some more which as others mentioned gives an opportunity to work on the vibe just a little. Take advantage. The girls are people and a bit of warming up and connection go a long way. I always want to just be their favorite customer of the night.

In the room the clothes come off and yeah she is a gym girl. Attitude is warm. I give her a couple of pointers about what I like, order etc. I find with these girls who see customers regularly it's best to just lay out any preferences. It helps everything go smoothly and if you have a girl who wants to please you are helping her out so she doesn't have to guess. (I do this differently with SA girls or infrequent semi-pros etc.).

Two things were great about the session. I like DATY with a girl that relaxes into it. I know when they are faking most of the time and I know it takes some time. She was one of my top DATY experiences in a long time. She had this amazing clit that just went erect and was super sensitive. You can't fake that. It was a playground. I burn 20-30 minutes no joke on it and am happy to do so. She looks down and says "it's so big" multiple times, referring to her clit in a refreshing twist in the normal use of the phrase. She orgasms twice maybe 3 times. She wants to fuck and she just goes straight for the ass with her in top. And after she gets warmed up she is just pounding me with her ass using those toned legs of hers. This is clearly an easy leg day for her. Only the sight of her fake tits were less than perfect. I am lasting a long time in her ass after the warm up but she is determined to get me to nut in her ass. She succeeds. I am happy. I was planning on getting a nice blow job for the second nut but time is sort of coming up and my friend had decided to wait up for me. So I call this a win. She heads back down to clearly find another client. I head out with about $150 spent doing two things I love with a 24 yr gym girl. Casarao. Brazil.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2801532]You mean in not checking out what Columbia is like today? Perhaps you are right, but I am enjoying my trips to Brazil so much that I can't seem to find the initiative to go anywhere else at the moment, not even to return to my beloved BKK, Phnom Penh, and Jakarta. ....[/QUOTE]You are describing your state of mind that you had your regret. It's not a guarantee and it takes some time commitment and effort so I am not advising it.

I had plan to go to Asia but decided to stay put in SA again. I had enough SEA during Covid. I tapped into local scenes and I often got the first dip of new girls. I went to a hotel, and the agent let me see every room to interview to pick the girl while other can only see one assigned room at a time.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2801532]... I am also thinking of taking a 2 to 3 week road trip with Valerie, my Scandallo favorite girl....[/QUOTE]Why only take one when you can take 2 or 3 and probably for free. hehehe.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801254] MB1 has been to both places and has very selective taste, where does he monger now?.[/QUOTE]I wish I could monger more in Brazil, but I don't speak Porto, Brazil is more difficult and expensive to get to, the cost of living, especially in SP and Rio is higher, and summer time is too hot and humid. This is why I prefer cooler parts Colombia. But from a pure mongering perspective, Brazil wins. Hotter girls of all types and shapes, and better performance in bed (YMMV though).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2801331]Have a look. You can see a pool table in one of these and some games in another. Also some garotas who aren't atypical for Scandallo:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xObcvYZ1Ak&list=LL&index=2[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdhYePsTaTk&list=LL&index=3[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJuV6eHV1Gk&list=LL&index=1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo&list=LL&index=10[/URL][/QUOTE]Ok, Thats new. It wasnt there a year ago. Pinball machines are a different look.

Is Easter big holiday in Brazil? I plan on going on around Easter.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2801341]I tipped my host R50 before I left, but was surprised to see a 15% service charge on the bill. As SP doesn't have a tipping culture, I wonder if they also do that to the locals. I mentioned I already took care of my host with a cash tip, but they still insisted as this service charge was for the whole service staff team. [/QUOTE]I'm honestly very surprised to hear that based on my experiences. The first time my host asked about the tip and suggested numbers of 10%, 15%, or 20% as examples it was very much phrased as a question. After that first time he always brought up the tip when settling the bill, but never again mentioned any specific numbers. As I mentioned in his case the money was well earned, but it definitely felt optional.

Are spots open in Sao Paulo during Easter weekend (Friday, Saturday)? I plan on going on around Easter.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2801682]I wish I could monger more in Brazil, but I don't speak Porto, Brazil is more difficult and expensive to get to, the cost of living, especially in SP and Rio is higher, and summer time is too hot and humid. This is why I prefer cooler parts Colombia. But from a pure mongering perspective, Brazil wins. Hotter girls of all types and shapes, and better performance in bed (YMMV though).[/QUOTE] I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope did not change that.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801827]I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope did not change that.[/QUOTE]What's going on in Medellin right now that is unique? Apart from the prices going up and tons of gringos in town?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2801885]What's going on in Medellin right now that is unique? Apart from the prices going up and tons of gringos in town?[/QUOTE]Do you think you miss anything if you just found out about MDE now? If you only use SA, you will see the price increase earlier than most.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801827]I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope diad not change that.[/QUOTE]What is so unique about the current hobbying situation in Medellin? Is the invasion of Venes due to the political crisis across the border providing a lot of hot women at cheap pricing? Is the recent reported sharp uptick in druggings / crimes against hobbyists all fake news? Are there new rules, regulations or lifting of prohibitions that has enhanced the mongering scene there? Are you referring to the weak COP vs. Western currency?

I am truly curious what you mean, as you seem to imply that there are unique forces at play currently that make Medellin specifically, and maybe also Colombia in general, more preferable to Brazil for mongers at the moment. Maybe I'm overlooking something when I decided to temporarily suspend plans to visit Colombia and focus all my available hobbying time and resources in Brazil until the Real strengthens a lot vs. The Dollar. FYI, I've also decided to suspend visiting European hobbying scenes from FKKs to Spanish brotherls and SE Asian venues (Bangkok, Jakarta, etc.). All of which I've visited in the past couple of years, as the degradation of their respective hobbying scenes in terms of either value / pricing and / or service levels just doesn't make them preferable to Brazil.

I've NEVER mongered in Colombia. I have friends that go down to CTG, MDE and BOG often pre-pandemic and sang Colombia's praises. They tell me there are logistic hurdles to overcome, as most hotels, especially in CTG, are not girl friendly. You would need to usually find a guest friendly Airbnb. They also say crime against hobbyist are more prevalent than other Latin American venues, from Tijuana to Mexico City to DR to Costa Rica. In certain cities (specifically CTG, you have to deal with the annoying tutes).

They also tell me that there are many hobbying venues to choose, from online options, puta / indy night clubs, strip clubs, street girls, casa, etc. They say there is a big online scene, usually Tinder, Facebook and the like. The club scene has more gringo tourist pricing and the service levels are more restrictive. The casas are usually in more seedier neighborhoods and rooms are basic and girls are sometimes from the bottom of the barrel. They tell me getting some GFE services, that are basically standard in most western hobbying venues (US, Canada and Europe), like BBBJ and DFK have to be negotiated and often times a firm "no" is still given, especially at the higher end venues. But if you take the time find the right girl (s) or spend the time weeding out the non-GFE girls, you can have a great time.

Even with all the above, they still love Colombia due to the hot Colombian and Venezuelan women, the strong dollar vs. COP. They tell me it's a great place to visit as a group of friends for hobbying, as the group dynamic negates most of the logistical obstacles, pitfalls, dangers and cons of the Colombian hobbying scene. Flights are plentiful and cheap and flight distance isn't too long from most of the US. There are lots of great places to eat that doesn't burn a hole in your wallet. And Spanish, which is more taught and known in the US, is spoken.

However, they did warn me that new solo or smaller groups traveling there will have to be more wary, as it takes more preparation, more research, etc. To have a successful trip. Colombia is not as easy to hobby in as some of the point and shoot hobbying destinations such as DR or CR (I would also now add Brazil as well, but my friends and I hadn't been there pre-pandemic), especially for a 1 week or less trip and you are used to the amenities from staying at nice hotels.

So based on the above, the significant increase in crime against hobbyists and my friends not planning to visit Colombia anytime soon (one of the reason is that they discovered Brazil during the Pandemic! I've put Colombia on hold. After discovering the wonders of Brazil, I can't imagine myself choosing to go to Colombia over Brazil as long as the BRL remains above 4. 0 vs. 1 USD.

I've found Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro to be have a huge and diverse hobbying scene. Everything that is available in Colombia is available in Brazil, but larger, more diverse, more robust and more developed. The STANDARD / BASE and AVERAGE service levels of the Brazilian garotas blow Colombian chicas away.

You don't need to do a lot of prep work and invest time in the online game in Brazil to have a good GFE session at value pricing in Brazil, but you can if you wish to, as there tons of options via online escorts, SA / MP, Tinder, Twitter, etc.

The boates and termas in Brazil blow the night clubs / strip clubs in Colombia out of the water (according to my friends who have been to both). They don't have the same gringo tourist trap vibe, as the ones in Brazil mostly caters to the local, both white and blue collar. They tell me any of the top 5 clubs mentioned in this forum (Scandallo, Caf Photo, Bomboa, Connection and Casarao) are better than those found in Colombia.

The clinicas / massage scene is also more robust than the casa scene in Colombia. You can go from cheap prive to normal clinicas to high end massage place in Brazil, all with higher average service level than Colombia casas and at the high end place in Brazil, you will receive a near guaranteed GFE level of services with top end girls.

I won't compare the hotness of Brazilian women vs. Colombian / Venezuelan women, as that's highly subjective. I'll just say that I find top end women from all 3 countries to be super hot! However, Brazil definitely has more diversity due to its immigration history, as you can find girls with Irish, Germanic, Nordic, Western and Eastern European, Slavic, Italian, Asian, Latin African and Indian / Indigenous looks pretty easily in Sao Paulo. It's almost like Dubai in a way, but the talent is generally local to Brazil, rather than imported from abroad.

I also love that 99% of the hotels in Sao Paulo are girl friendly, from the cheap places up to luxury 5 star hotels. That is not the case in Colombia, especially in Cartagena. That makes overnights at your own place challenging unless you get a guest friendly Airbnb, which lacks many of the amenities, convenience and safety elements provided by hotels. They also love the diverse love motel scene in Sao Paulo with high end places like Lush, Asturias and others.

One of the most important considerations for most hobbyist is the cost and value of the hobbying scene in the country they plan to visit. With the Real so weak vs. Western currencies, pricing is very comparable to Colombia, which also is weak vs. Western currencies. The caveat is that while both are weak, Colombia has had a higher inflation rate over the last 4-5 years compared to Brazil. The COP also has been weak vs. Western currencies for what seems like forever. The weakness of the Brazilian real is pretty recent and might not last.

You can currently find cheap $15-25 USD fucks in Brazil at Prives / clinicas just like you can at casas in Colombia. The club girls in Colombia seems to ask for $75 to 125 USD for a ST fuck and $150 to $300 for LT / overnights. Same as you can find in Brazil. I'm sure some will say their regulars are cheaper, or if you put in the time, you can find better bargains / value, but that can be said of both countries. In any event, I am going by what my friends tell me the current rate is and also from what I've seen posted when I check the Colombia boards semi-regularly. They also say that the online options have very comparable in pricing. One other comment they made is that the gringos / tourists actually have more of an impact on the mongering pricing and the availability of girls in Colombia as compared to Brazil, especially in Cartagena, which has either balanced the two countries and sometimes even tipped it in Brazil's favor, especially with the weak Real.

They do say food is a little cheaper in Colombia and Colombian hotel prices hasn't gone up post-pandemic at the same rate as SP and RJ.

But probably the most important thing for me is the service level of the girls. They all say they were blown away by the near universal passion and love making skills of Brazilian women. They all claim that on average, Brazilian women beats Colombian and Venezuelan working girls in the bed room. Sure, the best of the best from all 3 countries could be a tie or close to each other, but we are talking about average or general expected service level. You rarely have to negotiate regular GFE service (DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc.) in Brazil and anal is often offered and requested by the girl without you asking. All without a surcharge! After over 125 punts with over 75 different Brazilian women, I concur whole heartedly. I've not had the same high average level of service anywhere else in the world and I've mongered in Canada, US, Mexico, most of Western Europe and some of Eastern Europe, SE and East Asia and Australia, and many of those spots within the past 3-4 years. Brazilian women are a killer combo of hot and diverse looks (especially that incredible bunda from the slim all the way up to the curvy an) and amazing service in the sack.

As I said, I've never been to Colombia, so these are the opinions of my friends who are experienced in Colombia and finally discovered Brazil during and post pandemic. Almost all of them would now choose Brazil over Colombia.

For a newbie or short term visitor, I don't see how the current situation in Colombia beats Brazil when everything is considered. The only advantages I see are 1) flight time 2) flight cost 3) You speak Spanish and 4) you take month + long trips or is a digital nomad and plan to spend lots of time in country and prefers Airbnbs to hotels.

Therefore, TLDR: What is so unique about Medellin at the moment to make it better than Brazil? I actually think it's the reverse, as the extremely weak Real vs. Historical norms make Brazil the UNIQUE situation and you should go before that goes away. The Colombian women and the historically weak COP will still be there down the road.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801912]Do you think you miss anything if you just found out about MDE now? If you only use SA, you will see the price increase earlier than most.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I am dense, but this post like your previous post is quite cryptic and doesn't explain what is currently so unique and good about Medellin.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2801932]As I said, I've never been to Colombia, so these are the opinions of my friends who are experienced in Colombia and finally discovered Brazil during and post pandemic. Almost all of them would now choose Brazil over Colombia.[/QUOTE]I have been to Colombia. A lot! And what your friends tell you is true. Plus there's what you already know. I'm like them. I would never choose Colombia over Brazil. At least not the way things stand now. And there's nothing "wrong" with that.

I'll keep it a bit briefer than Socrates but having been to both I totally align with his friends. My experience in Colombia is:

1. The clubs suck and are a tourist trap ripoff.

2. Facebook girls are easy and plentiful and fairly cheap.

3. The Facebook girls can't hold a candle to your average Brasileira whenbit comes to GFE. Weak BJ, light to moderate DFK and you can clearly tell they are there to "do their job". Whereas as has been pointed out numerous times, Brasileiras rule here.

4. Did have one gem that a friend referred me to. But that was the exception not the rule.

I have friends that swear by Colombia. Most have not been to Brasil. 😋 But for my money Brasil stomps Colombia and frankly is the finest garota venue on planet earth.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2800839]Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.[/QUOTE]I think people are expecting inflation to increase consistently across the board. Food, hotels, hookers, etc.

We were just talking on the Montreal thread that freelancers that were charging 350-400 Canadian dollars pre-Covid are now charging 500-600. (For several years, Canada essentially has legalized sex transactions conducted privately.).

Anyone who has done business in inflationary environments knows its easier to raise prices. The girls are testing these limits. I suspect things will stabilize. When the global money printing orgy is far behind us, we will get more rational mongering prices. I believe the Brazilian Central Bank was printing quite a bit of money during the pandemic.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2801936]Perhaps I am dense, but this post like your previous post is quite cryptic and doesn't explain what is currently so unique and good about Medellin.[/QUOTE]There is a large population of available girls that either don't have work or don't want to work because the pay is low. This is reflected on Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, Cam sites and IG. You can just go online to count. I don't know another city that comes close to the quantity available.

There are many ponds to play in. You will have to go read Medellin thread to see if you can find one you like. I will send you the links to different ISG members' posts privately.

For shorter term and for new visitors, Brazil is better. Longer term, like months, I think Medellin probably will be better.

Hey,

Planning a month long trip to Sao Paulo and would love to connect with some of you.

I read some chatter about how it gets very rainy and girla flock away from SP.

Wondering if May is a good time to visit?

If not, what other month is a good time to visit.

Also reading about Scandallo and other clubs, what's the going price for entrt / girls / room?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801959]There is a large population of available girls that either don't have work or don't want to work because the pay is low. This is reflected on Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, Cam sites and IG. You can just go online to count. I don't know another city that comes close to the quantity available.

There are many ponds to play in. You will have to go read Medellin thread to see if you can find one you like. I will send you the links to different ISG members' posts privately.

For shorter term and for new visitors, Brazil is better. Longer term, like months, I think Medellin probably will be better.[/QUOTE]I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down, but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2801932]What is so unique about the current hobbying situation in Medellin? Is the invasion of Venes due to the political crisis across the border providing a lot of hot women at cheap pricing? Is the recent reported sharp uptick in druggings / crimes against hobbyists all fake news? Are there new rules, regulations or lifting of prohibitions that has enhanced the mongering scene there? Are you referring to the weak COP vs. Western currency?
.[/QUOTE]I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2801986]I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down, but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.[/QUOTE]You won't see an change in the supply, if you were never there in the first place. It's like these people who go to prives or clubs that are mentioned here, and they say "I didn't see anything there". Of course, they didn't see anything there. Because they were never there in the first place, and you are no different in that respect.

Yes, supply and demand is in effect in this industry in South America. I have had a first hand view of it, recently. Went and spent three days in the Praia Grande / Sao Vincente area to hang out with a cute woman I met on Insta. She never put out for me, but we have stayed friends and she actually introduced me to another pretty lady who is a better match for me. Though that has yet to come to fruition. But, to the point, I went looking for my options on Photoacompanhates and found there was a slew of attractive girls in the range of 100-150 reais. Not what I'd expect in a tourist town. This is the greater Santos metropolitan area, just over the hills from Sao Paulo, where the media price is twice as much. I ended up leaving early and heading down to Florianopolis, where I am well acquainted with a lovely "terapista" who specializes in nuru massage with an oral finalization!

BTW, Florianopolis is the epicenter of the nuru / tantra scene in Brazil. There seems to be a steady supply of pretty but crazy young women who think that they are doing some sacred or holistic ritual through tantric massage or nuru, which they assert is pure therapy ore an exercise in spiritualism and in no way is it sex or prostitution. I think if you charge me 300 - 500 reais to slather my body in oil and rub your young nubile body on mine and make me cum, it is at least sexual. But, don't tell them that.

However, I decided to check out what the pure mongering scene was about. To my surprise there wasn't a lot to find on PA, and though there were more girls listed other websites focusing more on Santa Catarina and the region, the overall body count was low for a metropolitan area of that size. And I guess that is why prices were more on a Sao Paulo range. Starting at 150 and on up to 400. I was surprised, but maybe I shouldn't have been. There was the consolation that all these girls have their own place to work out of, and you don't need to pay for love hotel, as some of the prissy SP girls will mandate. But, that is probably because there are very few love hotels on the island of Florianopolis itself. The few I found were very expensive, though lavish. So, the women can't throw the burden of paying for a room on the client and thus have to absorb that cost for a workspace. And real estate ain't cheap on Floripa. There were few brothels on the island itself. There was a gentlemens club close to where I stayed, which I read was very nice but expensive. Used to be two prives at the end of the pedestrian commercial district of centro, on Rua Tiradentes and Rua Felipe Schmidt and there were young people (including young women) handing out small flyers for them nearby. However, its down to one now and it was never open when I went by. You have to go over the bridge to Sao Jose if you want more brothels and not surprisingly they are more abundant and cheaper, as is the selection of independent GPS. Yes, Economics 101. Literally. However, you wouldn't see this in effect, if you were never there.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2802012]I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.[/QUOTE]You might have a point there. Until their recent demise, Medellin based Viva was flying out of Miami. These past visits in recent month I saw more foreign tourists there than in the past as well as African American men, which I never used to see in Colombia. Note that Viva went under recently. I guess the "Spirit Airlines" of Colombia didn't have the staying power. I caught my flight to GRU on Viva and I must say I won't miss those hard seats. Way too hard to be using for a 6-hour flight. But, still a value and I was planning to take Viva back to Colombia.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2802012]I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.[/QUOTE]Cheap flights? I can't vouch for other cities, but roundtrips from Miami have never been so expensive as they are right now. American Airlines want $650 (economy, 3. 5 HR flight), WTF? Even JetBlue and Spirit are $400-$500 and up. For years flights from Miami were around $200-$250 tops, roundtrip.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2801986]I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down ....[/QUOTE]I have not said there is an increase in supply.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2801986]... but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.[/QUOTE] I already have formed my opinion so I am going to take advantage of it. I think the people talking about paradise, or living a fantasy have formed the conclusion too but I don't think your conclusion is final yet. Often we miss thing only after it's gone. I am curious to know do people mention "regret" when Hope was around?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2802015]You won't see an change in the supply, if you were never there in the first place.

Literally. However, you wouldn't see this in effect, if you were never there.[/QUOTE]We were discussing Medellin. Nounce brought that up and I replied. I'm currently in MDE and have spent more time here than you. Based on what you wrote in one of your recent posts (about "no mongering scene in El Centro and Parque Lleras" I have come to the conclusion that you have no freaking idea about mongering in MDE.

I will be arriving in Sao Paulo in April and this will be my first time in Brazil. I'm looking to gather some basic intel.

My friends told me that SP is a nice city with lots of upscale establishments, but not a lot of touristy things to do. I'm arriving in SP because it's cheaper to fly there than RDJ, and because my brief amount of research is leading me to believe that SP is probably the best city in Brazil for mongering. Is this true? Is it even better than RDJ?

What are the best websites / apps to use to meet non-pro girls? Would it be Tinder, Facebook, Seeking Arrangements, or something else?

I've found a few good looking websites for meeting professionals. One in particular is:

[URL]https://garotacomlocal.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo-sp/[/URL]

Is this a trustworthy website with realistic pictures? I didn't see it mentioned in the "Sao Paulo. Directory" thread so I'm not sure.

And since everybody is comparing Brazil to Colombia now, I'd just like to state that Medellin is great, but I had to try something new after my last visit was marred by flakey facebook girls and the prevalence of those god awful butt-surgeries. Even though it's commonly called the "Brazillian butt lift" I've heard that it is less prevalent in Brazil than it is in many places in Colombia. I hope that's true.

I like slender girls with a natural body (boob jobs are fine), and a darker skin tone, and in Colombia I found that those types of girls were undervalued compared to their fair-skinned, silicone-loaded counterparts. I hope that my tastes are as advantageous in Brazil as they are in Colombia.

It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.

June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.

Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.

I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.

[QUOTE=Batraaa;2801974]Hey,

Planning a month long trip to Sao Paulo and would love to connect with some of you.

I read some chatter about how it gets very rainy and girla flock away from SP.

Wondering if May is a good time to visit?

If not, what other month is a good time to visit.

Also reading about Scandallo and other clubs, what's the going price for entrt / girls / room?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2802347]It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.

June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.

Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.

I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.[/QUOTE]How about around Easter. Good Friday?

That's a good question. Never been in Brasil during easter (Pascoa). But being a catholic country boates may be closed. And whan I'm sure, 'cause I have friends from the USP (Universidad de Sao Paulo), brazilians leave the cities in massive waves. Try googling "estradas pascoa sao paulo".

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2802348]How about around Easter. Good Friday?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2802358]That's a good question. Never been in Brasil during easter (Pascoa). But being a catholic country boates may be closed. And whan I'm sure, 'cause I have friends from the USP (Universidad de Sao Paulo), brazilians leave the cities in massive waves. Try googling "estradas pascoa sao paulo".[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks.

Just got home from SP and I can't wait to explore more of Brazil and return to SP. I am curious to know how soon after some of y'all left the first did you return? I am already considering another trip given how much of a good time I had.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2801932]...
Therefore, TLDR: What is so unique about Medellin at the moment to make it better than Brazil? I actually think it's the reverse, as the extremely weak Real vs. Historical norms make Brazil the UNIQUE situation and you should go before that goes away. The Colombian women and the historically weak COP will still be there down the road.[/QUOTE]I just got time to read this post. This is what I said.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801254]...better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.[/QUOTE]Do a google search on [B]Oasis Luxury Penthouse beside El Cielo Hotel![/B] and if not this penthouse, checkout other places the host has. AH can get something like this, maybe with a bed or Jacuzzi on the terrace that he can smoke with his girls, instead of smoking outside a hotel. LOL. The majority of Colombia working girls that I know like weed, some almost worship this stuff. That would work out well for him. To me, this's like having the Sao Paulo roof top bar Skye all by myself. Picture attached. Several places that host has are short distance away from some of the best restaurants nearby. The city is unique and there are many places like this that work well for the mongering style. The things you can get delivered, legal or not. These are some of the uniqueness.

GFE really is depending on where you get them. FB GFE is default and BBFS is easier than Brazil to get. Just to make context clear, I consider FB girls working girls. Clubs maybe no, but you should not have a problem if you have the budget and willing to spent the same amount as in Brazil.

Personally, I don't see things as absolute so context is always important for me. Let's say some mongers only go to clinica and never set foot in Scandallo and we know from reports they exist. Personally, I think for the same cost comparing one hour of clinica pro with several hours of MDE semi pro at my place. I would say for this type of monger, MDE may have advantage.

The following post I put it as plain as I could. These girls left at 4 AM. One can compare something like this to a clinica session because it is the same price for me. There was a lot of foreplay that lasted hours. I let the girls do their things and I just observed and played alone. To me it's also an experience, not just sex. I like it but it does not mean you should like it too because we are all different. Not counting hours, not real professional like in a casa, and just have a good time and a large number of them available are also unique in my view.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2799006][B]Minimal setup[/B]:[INDENT]Mirror on either side of the bed
Music of the girls choosing[/INDENT].

[B]Position[/B]:[INDENT]
You: with your back flat on the bed and your knees bent at about 60 degree
Girl: her legs go under your legs, her both hands on the bed[/INDENT].

[B]Movement[/B]:[INDENT]
You: Nothing if you dont want to but you will. LOL
Girl: dance/twerk away with the music and enjoy the mirror[/INDENT].

[B]Master and Apprentice[/B][INDENT]
The girl brought a non-pro girlfriend over. The girl was teaching the no-pro how to perform RCP so the non-pro was on top of me and the girl lined up side by side with the non-pro. This is a movement that requires some finesse in order to be able to do it non-stop smoothly and keep the little guy inside at all time. They both danced with the girl instructing the non-pro the subtle movements. [/INDENT].
.[/QUOTE]Several experienced mongers have suggested me to visit Brazil and told me I would like it. These mongers have been to Brazil but they don't monger in Brazil anymore. I probably have felt the same as you. I have gone thru the same stage because I have been staying at both places longer but that does not mean you eventually will have the same view as me.

A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.

GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!

Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.

Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).

[QUOTE=Nounce;2803160] AH can get something like this, maybe with a bed or Jacuzzi on the terrace that he can smoke with his girls, instead of smoking outside a hotel. LOL. The majority of Colombia working girls that I know like weed, some almost worship this stuff. That would work out well for him. [/QUOTE]Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark. Yeah, I prefer to stay in hotel rooms with balconies so my pretty marijuanitas can always feel welcome and at home. KKK.

I know this is not the right thread for it, but here is my list of SP hotel rooms with balconies (in no particular order of preference): InterContinental, Marriott Executive Apt Hotel, Grand Mercure SP Itaim Bibi, Gran Estanplaza Berrini, Melia Jardim Europa, and Clarion Faria Lima. In RJ my balcony list includes the Grand Hyatt, Fairmont, and Windsor California. With some hotels it is necessary to pay more for a room with a balcony upgrade, but rooms in other hotels like the Hyatt Barra, the Fairmont, & Fasano in RJ, the Marriott Executive Apt Hotel, the Grand Mercure Itaim Bibi in SP all come with balconies.

A room with a jacuzzi on the balcony is a very nice additional feature, but it is a much harder order to fill. If you want one you will have to check out various condos for rent. I fondly remember renting a condo in a building called View Talay 6 in Pattaya for 10 days once upon a time pre Covid. The owner had fixed up his spacious pad for serious play with among other things a jacuzzi on an extended balcony overlooking a Pattaya Beach and the view was just fucking amazing. The girls loved that balcony.

My flight arrived this morning at GRU. Picked up my rental car, drove to the hotel in Pinhieros. Got a nice taco down the street then walked to the bank for some play money. I had purchased a Brasil sim card when here in December and was afraid I had lost the number so walked quite a bit further to a mall with a Vivo store and the nice lady added 3 months to my number so now it is working and has lots of minutes. Had a phone call and watched the eye candy in the mall.

Then it started to rain and I thought it could be waited out. Got some ice cream etc but finally called an Uber - 9 reais to get back to the hotel.

A sweetie who went with me to the airport when I left last time is meeting me at my hotel at 6.

I consider it a wonderful day already.

Thank you for your reply!

I am really excited for my visit in May.

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

What are the other options?

Does site like [URL]https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.php?f=acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp[/URL].

Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2802347]It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.

June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.

Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.

I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2803230]A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.

GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!

Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.

Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).[/QUOTE]These curvy girls are hard to find here in tijuana and they are expensive. Not like in south America.

Unfortunately, it also happens in Brazil, bait and switch is common if you fall on the wide variety of wrong websites.

Nothing better than face to face selection.

Here my report on the subject. Don't ask me the site I picked her from, I was browsing so many that day in particular.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2755200[/URL]#post2755200.

[QUOTE=Batraaa;2803330]Thank you for your reply!

I am really excited for my visit in May.

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

What are the other options?

Does site like [URL]https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.php?f=acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp[/URL].

Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2803304]Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark. Yeah, I prefer to stay in hotel rooms with balconies so my pretty marijuanitas can always feel welcome and at home. KKK.....[/QUOTE]I do the same that is why I identify with you in particular. My comment is not about pure sex. I hope that clarifies it. If one gets a balcony at a very high floor in Sao Paulo, it is quite nice overlooking the city. Medellin is a valley so that kind of view is quite common.

[QUOTE=Batraaa;2803330]...

My plan is to ...?[/QUOTE]You don't have to drink alcohol or even buy drink. You can check the clubmodel website for SP and check GP-Guia for reviews if there is one available. I would guess it would start from 500 and above. The first one I took was 600 and that was a while ago.

You can search for "Clinica" "Prime" for places to go.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2803230]A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.

GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!

Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.

Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).[/QUOTE]Great post and motivation to get back to SP ASAP!

Come on man, post a pic of your local talent!

The girl from the underwater video now has a way too big ass, even for my tastes. Back then her ass was natural.

I like from very fitness to curvy shape butts. And I know what I'm talking about. I'm sure John Stagliano and John Leslie would look at my clips with great attention jajajaja.

Note: Luna, her battle name, loved the stockings I purchased and she kept them as part of the payment, and her signed release of course.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2803379]These curvy girls are hard to find here in tijuana and they are expensive. Not like in south America.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Batraaa;2803330]Thank you for your reply!

I am really excited for my visit in May.

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

What are the other options?

Does site like [URL]https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.php?f=acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp[/URL].

Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?[/QUOTE]I am possibly going back in May too and the weather should be perfect for me coming from the NorthEast of the USA.

When I went to Scandallo, I didn't have any alcohol and met my minimum spend. If you are not much of a drinker nor want to eat, you can use your spend on buying a lady, who you really want to vet, a drink and it won't impact your overall spending. If you want to find the premium women who are on some of those websites that won't be a bait and switch, I'd go to one of the clubs that many have mentioned here and start a conversation to see if they meet what you want.

You can also do a ton of research, but that is also a gamble. Personally, I learned that Paulistas overall move at a slower pace. I started a conversation to meet with a lady at 11:00 am to meet and we didn't connect until 4 pm. In the USA If I start a convo with an indy, more than likely, I am meeting within 1-2 hours. So factor in the amount of time you are willing to invest in booking an indy too. Not saying it to discourage you, but to let you know what to expect.

[QUOTE=Batraaa;2803330]My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?[/QUOTE]Going to the clubs by yourself can be a great experience. Many are forced out of their comfort zone. You focus your attention on interacting with the girls and watching the scene.

Now that's not to say, it isn't fun to hang with other guys at a boate (club). However, with my crew that tends to break down as soon as we start heading to the rooms. As the evening progresses we're totally engrossed in the women and scouting out more. One time my buddy said, it's our last night. Let's have a nice dinner, relax and hang before we pursue women. That plan went to shit when the first hottie came over and started flirting with one of our crew.

As far as safety of an Airbnb, I would say you should focus on booking a place that has a reception desk in the building. Nobody goes in without being invited by a resident. That's very common in Sao Paulo. When you're in your place with the girl, you have to exercise common sense as you would anywhere in the world. Don't leave valuables out, etc.

Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.

These are simply my experiences and viewpoints. Your or others experiences may be completely different.

Background so it puts things in perspective. Well traveled and well experienced in our sport. Wrong side of 60, I do not speak conversational Spanish and speak almost no Portuguese. I stay in Airbnb's that allow guests. I have been traveling to Colombia for (guessing) 10 years. I have made 3 extended trips to Brazil in the past year. Spent 2 two months in Medellin, then flew to Sao Paulo for 2 months, then back to Medellin for 3 weeks. I prefer to spend time with my dates rather than the 1 hour quick appointments. I don't disregard the quick smash altogether, but longer encounters are my preference.

Medellin: Yes, it's changed dramatically over the past 10 years with the influx of tourist and like minded hobbyist. I see the criticisms of Medellin and certainly agree with many. Medellin now takes a bit more effort than it did in years prior, but should hardly be passed over as a destination. The first time visitor may initially be disappointed with the immediate availability of talent. However, with effort on Facebook, there is a treasure trove of young talented woman. There are still many point and shoot options in Medellin, but not nearly as many as before. Not looking for any arguments, but in my opinion, Medellin is the place to go if you are searching for the more part-time 18-25 year old talent.

My current Facebook ({which is dedicated to Medellin only) has me at 3700 "friends". I have accumulated those over the past 10 years. I have around 5 male friends and the rest are. Talent. I have no idea how many of those are still active. But my point is, amass a friends list and the talent you will be rewarded with will be outstanding. No, I won't share my Facebook with anyone.

Medellin is also, in my opinion, much less expensive than Sao Paulo. I have not experienced enough of Rio yet to give a complete comparison point of view. Rio was initially off my list, but after a brief visit in February, I will return!

I spent most of my time with a 21 year old over the months I was in Medellin. Met her on Facebook of course. Had no other gringo "friends" on Facebook. For those that like the big butts, big boobs, she would not be your type. Other than having the typical Colombian look, I would describe her as having more of an Asian (Thai) body. The girl loves to give head. We'll be out in a restaurant or mall and she'll say in English, I want to suck you. Oh, and yes, she is attractive in my opinion. Very attractive. For comparison, I spent a lot of time in Sao Paulo. I have spent many nights in the top clubs. She would easily be in the top 10% of the talent pool at Scandallo.

Bottom line, if you are not getting the performance you want in Colombia, you are not putting in the effort. You will not get the GFE / PSE performance of the hard core workers, but the hidden talent is amazing. I suspect with some effort and after a few trips you too will have a talent pool worth returning to over and over.

Sao Paulo: I was there in January and February. Met some decent like minded travelers but didn't get to hang out with them much.

I have a lot to say about Sao Paulo but will keep it brief. I again prefer the longer "dates".

First, Sao Paulo (SP from now on) is much more expensive than Medellin.

The talent pool in SP is wide a varied, however in MY experience the talent is both thicker in body type and mostly 25 and older. YES, there are younger and thinner gals, but overall that's my viewpoint. In fact the woman on twitter often post work out routines and they include squatting. They tend to want the thicker upper legs and thicker butts.

Daytime talent. SP has Medellin beat hands down on daytime places to visit. However, walking into these places does not guarantee you finding a gal of your taste. SP is a big city and with that there many guys in these places. Often the roster will have 10-15 girls working, with only a few available at any given moment. Daytime places can be inexpensive, but you will need to hunt. Someone mentioned Club 57 recently. In my opinion the girls were average at best. Never saw that girl I had to have. Was always approached by the aggressive ones. Hard to get rid of at times. Never sessioned there but hung out some nights just to have an early evening beer. Beers were about $6.00 USA.

Night time clubs generally get going around midnight.

Scandallo opens much earlier and is less expensive to enter early. I have read the reports of amazing talent at Scandallo. Initially that first moment is WOW. That will wear off after a dozen visits. The number of girls on site at peak time is in the 100's. But there will usually be as many men on site. I have seen fat, ugly and fat and ugly woman walking around. Not all are goddesses. With that said, you should find your type. After dozens of visits it got old for me. As others have said you go for the "experience". Can't agree more.

Casarao It's actually, what I was told, was the first night club of it's type in SP. I visited often because of it's low entrance fee. Through out the night the ratio of men to woman would vary. The girls will dress a bit more conservative (less formal). I suspect those guys that visit the place on a two week or less time span will see what they like. I however totally disagree with the ratio of men to woman. Frequently I saw the ratio of men to woman greater than 3-1, men to woman. I went on a Saturday night and at 1 am the place was packed with easily 5-1 men to woman. Granted, there are guys that just come in groups to have a beer and clog up the place, but they are still occupying the girls with small talk.

I hit several other clubs, all of which have been mentioned over and over. Prices are negotiable in the night time clubs.

I found my two favorites and paid them $200 USA For the night. Spent many days / nights with both. I used to like "the hunt". Now I prefer dinner, drinks, Netflix and that morning shag.

There are some "locals" clubs in the seedy areas of the city. I don't have names or addresses at hand, but if you have a wingman who speaks Porto, worth exploring. Just Uber to the front door and Uber out the front door. One club not mentioned much anymore is Connections. It's a long ass Uber ride at night so I never went. Next trip I will get a hotel close by and spend the night in the area. Heard it's owned by same person as Scandallo, so may have some hidden talent from the local area.

Did a side trip to Iguazo Falls. Spent three nights to do the tourist thing. I didn't think there would be any decent talent in the local clubs and waited until the last night to visit Crystals Club. There are 2 other clubs in the smaller city per an Uber driver. I arrived at Crystals around 9 if my memory serves me. 20-25 woman and 2 or 3 guys. Got approached by of course the less attractive gals but damn, there were 2 or 3 hot gals in the club. I was smitten and I had just spent tow months in Medellin and a month in SP. I was in the mood to do some drinking and partying so ended up doing just that with a few of the talent. Never got around to sampling anything. One girl topped anything in Scandallo. She made her availability known to me on several close encounter walk-bys, but I was usually engaged with another. Two or 3 spoke English. They have an amazing outside area with a pool to take your prospect out to and drink / negotiate. On Saturday's they have "pool" day where the girls apparently are in swimwear.

I strongly considered flying back for a few days but never did. The ratio of men / woman never got over 2 woman for every 1 guy. Much better than anything in SP. I certainly could have gotten lucky on my one visit to the place with the talent being outstanding. So if you happen to go, it was just the one visit.

Rio. I only spent two nights there right after the Carnival ended. It was peaceful and a fantastic change from the big urban cement city of SP. I will return to explore. I actually took my favorite gal from SP to Rio. Wanted a (pretty) wingman to do the tourist stuff. Paid her $100 USA Per day plus food / drinks / tourist crap of course. Worth every cent. She is considered thin in Brazil, model type body. Tall and without curves. Long legged like I like. Her body type is far and few in SP.

Bottom line. My opinion. For shorter trips and with some effort Medellin is still the go to place. SP is that much more time to get to and much more expensive. I saw guys throwing some serious cash around in Medellin and they certainly had the talent paying attention. My gut feeling is Rio has a lot more to do during the day when you are not chasing tail. Darker skinned gals are more available. Was having my morning coffee at Starbucks and an obvious working girl was observed leaving an apartment next door. A drop dead 10. Dark skinned, model thin, gorgeous. OMG hot. Rio is high on my next trip.

I am open to private messages. I don't often check the website so forgive me if I don't answer quickly.

Please, I'm not looking for arguments. It's about each of our experiences. You may be Bratt Pitt in appearance with a boat-load of cash. I care for myself but can't reverse the aging process. I have enough disposable cash to enjoy almost any of the talent in any of the places.

Excuse any typos or grammatical errors please.

[QUOTE=Batraaa;2803330]
My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.
...

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?[/QUOTE]As someone who travels alone most of the time, typically I actually prefer it. Groups of guys tend to invite groups of girls, which means you can get stuck talking to someone you don't want. I'd also imagine women are less likely to come down on price in front of their peers. I enjoy drinking with friends, but picking up women isn't something I like to mix with that. Also while I don't get sloppy drunk at the clubs, I've never felt uncomfortable having 3-4 drinks while I hangout.

The large clubs are very safe, and even the small ones tend to be in my experience. At Scandallo and Bomboa you are picked up and dropped off in a secure spot. Casarao is the only one of the big three that presents any danger, and even then it is minimal. I've found that the street around the club is pretty wild, and Ubers will often drop off or pick up on the opposite side of the street, potentially leaving you exposed.

For your Airbnb, like another poster mentioned as long as you have a desk it should be very safe. Best of luck!

I like to thank everyone who contributed to this forum for helping me with my trip back to Brazil.

After being away from Brazil for 15 years I had a wonderful experience seeing people.

I have not seen in 15 years or had any contact with them and meeting people for.

The first time and the country itself going back down memory lane.

Why did it take me 15 years to get back to a country that showed me so much love is a question that should be answered.

And I will if the ISG will allow me to when I share my experience about traveling.

Around the world playing this lovely game we called SEX I first like to give back to what was so freely given to me.

I like to share my experience in São Paulo. I was there for two weeks I originally was planning to be there for three weeks.

But I stayed longer in Rio because I needed to see some people I have not seen or contacted in 15 years.

The time I was in São Paulo I went to scandals everyday and visited Casarao one day and left and went to scandal and one day went to café photo.

And left and went to scandals so what I have to contribute to this magnificent forum is my SCANDAL experience.

I left São Paulo March 20, I'm still coming down from my experience in Brazil please forgive me but not all the information.

I received in Brazil was good information because I lived in Brazil for 5 years and some of the information I received about people who I.

Love and loved me are not here with us today so please give me just a little time to share with me my Scandal experience.

I like to thank the ISG forum again for your excellent service on helping me return to Brazil.

Great report Jet69, congrats for the long trip.

Any place will show its true colors after the third consecutive visit, and of course they are women and men from the night life. Heavy vibe is common.

Something that nobody mentioned or only happened to me in Scandallo. I shared drinks with a transexuals / ladyboy few years ago in a Scandallo table.

I called her / him to my table because she / he was tall and had this impresive athlete model type body. But the donkey jaw and the apple in the throat while talking, so I left after a few minutes.

And I can prove it by PM!

[QUOTE=Jet69;2803569]Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.

Scandallo opens much earlier and is less expensive to enter early. I have read the reports of amazing talent at Scandallo. Initially that first moment is WOW. That will wear off after a dozen visits. The number of girls on site at peak time is in the 100's. But there will usually be as many men on site. I have seen fat, ugly and fat and ugly woman walking around. Not all are goddesses. With that said, you should find your type. After dozens of visits it got old for me. As others have said you go for the "experience". Can't agree more.

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[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2803598]... Casarao is the only one of the big three that presents any danger, and even then it is minimal. I've found that the street around the club is pretty wild, and Ubers will often drop off or pick up on the opposite side of the street, potentially leaving you exposed.
...[/QUOTE]The Casarao doorman often insisted I should stay inside the club gate while calling an Uber. He meant if I stood out on the pavement working my Samsung Z-fold it would soon get snatched.

[QUOTE=XXL;2803671]The Casarao doorman often insisted I should stay inside the club gate while calling an Uber. He meant if I stood out on the pavement working my Samsung Z-fold it would soon get snatched.[/QUOTE]That are is not unsafe because there are business open all night. The phone snatchers are usually on bicycle so that is what one has to look out for no matter where you are. It has happened to me near Repulbica twice on sidewalk. Once late at night, once at busy daytime hour right in front of the large Bradsco branch office. They would try to surprise you and snatch something even when there is nothing obvious they can take.

[QUOTE=Jet69;2803569]...Daytime talent. SP has Medellin beat hands down on daytime places to visit.....[/QUOTE]Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.

It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.

If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.

Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2804457]

One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.[/QUOTE]This is profound to me. I like this statement.

For me, the culture of SP and probably Brazil at large fits my style. We can appreciate that a place may not be to our liking based on so many factors and go with it. As an example, some guys LOVE Montreal to hobby, while others prefer Germany, etc. And that is all okay. At the end of the day, you have to go with what makes you satisfied with the experience you invested in.

Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.

Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.

Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.

Can you please help me with the following*?

1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?

2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?

3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?

4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?

5. No portuguese. Is a translator*app enough?

6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.

7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.

Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.

Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.

Can you please help me with the following*?[/QUOTE]Normally, I would not reply to your post as all the info. Have been covered by posters within the last 6 months to year. But you have obviously done a bit of RTFF to come up with some options that fits your style. I know it can be daunting to go through lots of pages of find the info. You want, but here are some tips for searching, as well as some concise answers to your questions. For more in-depth answers, you will have to do more research / RTFF.

Searching:

1) Read the reports of distinctions thread. It has lots of great contributions by BMs.

2) Search by posts by specific posters that have posted things that you find useful / agree with (as that means you have similar tastes / hobbying styles).

I know I've personally covered most, if not all, of your questions in my previous posts, sometimes in my reports, sometimes in sort of mini-guides / overall take ways from a trip. Same has been done by countless other BMs.

Even if you just quickly scan / scroll through the posts, you can easily find more detailed posts that fits those two criterias and stop and jot down notes.

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1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?
[/QUOTE]Yes.

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2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?
[/QUOTE]Use Uber black to save time.

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3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?
[/QUOTE]Usually closing time is closing time so 1 hour before if you want an 1 hour session. But sometimes they do take last appointment at closing time. Send them a whatsapp to inquire.

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4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?
[/QUOTE]My Indian friends didn't notice much ethnic bias during their travels. In fact, most thrived in SP and had experiences that most would kill for. With that said, YMMV. It depends on how your present and carry yourself. Also depends which part of town, which club and which clinica or girl. Too general of a question to answer.

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5. No portuguese. Is a translator*app enough?
[/QUOTE]Yes. But again YMMV. Depends on the part of town, the venue, the girl, etc. But knowing even know simple greetings and common tourist questions can go far. It shows respect toward the place and people are you visiting. And usually you get the same respect back.

[QUOTE]
6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.
[/QUOTE]Avoid sketchy parts of town, pay attention to your surroundings, Uber from place to place, avoid walking alone at night, etc. But even all of those precautions can still get you pinched. Just part of life. You can take extra precautions by carrying a hobby phone you don't care about, don't carry too much cash, and carry just 1 ATM card and 1 CC.

[QUOTE]
7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.[/QUOTE]Both are open as well as Miruna. Tangara is especially popular on Sundays and have a big roster on Sundays it seems. As it caters to more blue collar locals and bargain hunters.

[QUOTE=Jet69;2803569]Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.

These are simply my experiences and viewpoints. Your or others experiences may be completely different...[/QUOTE]Great post man! I don't have much to add. For once you left me speechless!

Your sentiments regarding SP pretty much echoes my own. For my situation and hobbying style, SP is #1 for me though.

I get the same vibe about RJ as you, although like you, I've only had limited time there.

No comments on Medellin as I've never been there but I hear lots of great things from friends that have.

However, the time sink factor, to get similar service that I get with ease from Brasileras (whether pros or non-Pros), is one of the many reasons that I keep postponing my Colombian trips. I've found good GFE / PSE to be pretty much default among Brazilian women.

Your very balanced and descriptive post and similar hobbying outlook has made me read up on your previous adventures! Great reads!

[QUOTE=Jet69;2741995]I too go to Scandallo, but more for the atmosphere of a high end club with the possibility of bedding someone. I actually go and often spend 200 USA on drinks / food. I go thinking I won't session.[/QUOTE]Haha. I've finally reached that same point. After 50+ trips to Scandallo, one of my recent trips there ended with me leaving with a big consumption bills (which is the norm) and empty balls (a first at Scandallo! Thank God I've recently branched out of my comfort zone and experienced Casarao, which allowed my evening and morning to end on a high note.

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Friday woke up with hangover and thought I needed to take a night off. Went to a local club promising myself to drink water. An hour later. Drinking beer. Hooked up with a cutie and she promised a good time. But two other local guys convinced me to leave the place and go to another club with them. I know, sounds like a bad idea and I declined. Got one of their WhatsApp numbers and about 15 minutes after they left, got a text. Come to the club, ALOT better woman.
[/QUOTE]I had a few similar experiences with local guys, but at Scandallo rather than a local club. I passed each time, as I was either waiting on a friend or out of sense of caution. Did get some contact info. And they told me to hit them up whenever I am next in town and wanted to hang and some wingmen (they were all in groups of 3 to 5). I would have taken them up on their offer, but my subsequent trips were all with friends who took up my time.

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Damn, struck gold. Walked in and 25 woman maybe 10 guys. I immediately spot my type of gal but just smile and promise myself to look around for 15 minutes. I like the model type body. There were at least 4 that were 8's and 1 TALL asian looking beauty I would rate a 9. Dressed in long elegant gown with heals. She was sitting with a guy so I scratched her off list. I went back to the lady dressed in a shorter leather skirt and grey high heals. Damn. Solid 8. Local guy came over and because it was his birthday I offered him first dabs on her. She told him she preffered to have a drink with me.

Next 3 hours drank vodka mixed drinks with her. Birthday guy bought a bottle and asked me to join his party.
[/QUOTE]Brazilians are such friendly people! I've drank with many groups of locals when alone at Scandallo. Some were real spenders and they happily sharing their high end bottles going for R5 K to R8 K each. Other times when I was with friends, our two groups would form a big group and drink and talk about food, women, work, our travels and of course women!

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Eventually this girl is cuddling, hand holding, rubbning my back. Pure GFE without the ball rubbing pse stuff many do in the clubs. Twice I have had girls reach into my pants. So I am getting drunk and in English I say, can I lick your face. Of course she doesn't understand but says NO. I laugh and repeat it. She asks for Google translator and I type in I am joking, but can I lick your face. She replies on the translator, can I lick your balls. Party until 4 am. Back to my room for 500 to her and exit fee. She goes to bathroom and comes out in neglige, stockings, heals. Fifteen minute strip TEASE. Full on sex for over an hour. Finally nutted on her face and wanted to sleep. She wanted more sex. Blew me for another 20 minutes trying to get round two out of me. She finally says she has to go home, no kids, but two dogs. Everytime she gets partially dressed she is stopping and blowing me in different positions. She tries to take off her clothes again but I convince her to go.

So those that are not getting GFE. It's you. I have my failures but the secret sauce is to have fun and get the girl to LIKE you. If you are a pretty boy and think that's all you need to get GFE. You are dead wrong. You might be able to get the 8's and 9's, but put time into them. Treat THEM like girlfriends and get to know THEM.
[/QUOTE]So TRUE! Showing a girl a good time and showing them respect gets you that back and then some!

I've had so many girls from Scandallo just don't want to leave and keep giving me pleasure. Some of the best ones were able to get me to perform like I was 25 again. I am usually a 1 and done guy, but a few Brazilian women were able to get me a 2nd pop right after the first. One magical unicorn got me to pop 3 x back to back to back.

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Oh, the tall asain gal was free shortly after I had already invited my eventual girlfriend for the night to myntable. The tall japanese looking remained free all night. Damn I'll be back.

Which club am I speaking about? Not going to disclose. Don't stick to the well known clubs. Venture out. Be a person, not a sex hound. You will get your GFE mixed with PSE.
[/QUOTE]I would normally ask this via PM, but your mailbox is full!

I know you said you won't tell, but was it Liberal Club?

That was the one club that was mentioned a few times by different groups of guys at Scandallo that I drank with. They usually go to Scandallo to hang, drink and maybe get digits. Then usually head to Liberal Club or another local club to finish the night. I always found it amusing that they used Scandallo as a pre-game for a more local club. When I would think it would be the reverse!

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Side note. I am 60 plus. I can do it. You can too.

Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?
[/QUOTE]I've heard it all from working girls at Scandallo, either overheard or from girls I know or their friends. Some won't go with locals, some don't like darker skinned guys, others don't like young handsome guys, others don't like Asians, etc. Also heard the opposite as some prefer those kind of guys. All the girls have little cliques as well. Skinny girls hang with their own, curvy girls hang together, etc. And girls gossip like there is no tomorrow. Many look down at some girls that work at Casarao and other local clubs, and there is a cross-pollination of girls among various clubs.

I just don't pay them no mind. It's human nature. Everyone has their preference in terms of looks, etc. Some girls are more tactful and educated or well-mannered enough to keep those thoughts to themselves, but once they get comfortable with you, they let all those thoughts all hang loose! As I aint trying to marry them, I just shrug it off.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2804457]Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.

It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.

If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.

Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.[/QUOTE]Medellin's only advantage is that its cheaper.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.[/QUOTE]57 Friends is more like bar / clinica than a boate (nightclub), you can even go in and ask for a line up like a clinica.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.[/QUOTE]Lotus, Oro, Palms are high end clinica and only uses tablet. Prime and the rest does presentation in person and you can just go in those places and say "apresentação" for presentation.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?[/QUOTE]They are easy to find. Most girls come in around 12-1 probably leave around 6-7.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?[/QUOTE]It is safe and I felt safe in Moema and Paulista. I was walking around 9-10 PM at night looking for food. Most people drive in SP, and people that normally on motorbike are delivery guys. If you are in downtown, it might be a different scene at night. There is a diverse ethnicity in SP so no problem for you.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.[/QUOTE]The first time I was in Brazil, I used a burner phone in Rio, but after a couple days I just use my normal phone because I felt it was safer than Colombia and SP was even safer than Rio so I never use the burner phone again in Brazil. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.[/QUOTE]My suggestions is ask the clinicas using WhatsApps for daily updates. They post who is working that day and the hours. You can book appt thru whatsapp as well.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.

Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.

Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.

Can you please help me with the following*?

1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?

2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?

3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?

4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?

5. No portuguese. Is a translator*app enough?

6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.

7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.[/QUOTE]I am also Indian and have been going to Brazil regularly for the last 20 years for work. My answers to your questions are:

1) I don't use google fi. I just buy an esim for my phone for the few days I am there.

2) Uber black. Usually the same price. Nothing to worry about.

3) No experience here.

4) None whatsoever. I have walked thru the streets and never had any issues. Don't make yourself a target. Be aware of your surroundings and stay out of the shitty areas.

5) Yes. Try to learn some basic phrases but you will be fine.

6) Depends on where you are staying. I don't use a burner. I keep my iPhone in my pocket and only take it out to check the maps app if I am following it. At restaurants, if you sit by the window or outside, don't leave your phone on the table. Be aware of your surroundings.

7) No experience here.

Read the forum and have a good time!!

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My Indian friends didn't notice much ethnic bias during their travels. In fact, most thrived in SP and had experiences that most would kill for. With that said, YMMV. It depends on how your present and carry yourself. Also depends which part of town, which club and which clinica or girl. Too general of a question to answer.

[/QUOTE]You are spot in 'how you carry and present yourself". As long as you respect and treat them well and present yourself well including wearing nice, not necessarily fancy, clothes.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2804835]I am also Indian and have been going to Brazil regularly for the last 20 years for work. My answers to your questions are:

...

2) Uber black. Usually the same price. Nothing to worry about.
... [/QUOTE]I stopped using Uber black ever since one of them stayed in traffic jams on purpose in a long trip to Zona Leste. Uber blacks get paid for time on top of the basic price while UberXs get paid the price that shows up when you order the ride.

Just noticed two fraudulent charges on my credit card today and I've only used it in Brazil. Pretty much only used that card for contact less payments but not sure where they got my details.

Few words about the wisdom of taxi drivers.

Important to mention that old labor unions of Taxi are still active, they rule the Ponto Taxis (taxi stations with white taxis in SP). Getting one place as a driver, required an important investment, some drivers told me they paid an entrance fee of 10 K-15 K US dollars, in reales of course. Drivers get commissions from bars to bring clients (Uber and ponto taxis do the same). That was the way I got to Zeus bar, but that's another story. Remember current government loves labor unions.

In cities of the interior only (the bast majority of such big country) there are official Moto-Taxis as transport. These guys in particular were very close to working girls as you may imagine. One of these motoboys brought me a GP to my road motel at noon!! It was maybe a woman in her mid 30's I would give her a 6 in beauty, but I took her 'cause I was already feeling like Duran Duran. Hungry like the wolf LOL. F**king at 35 see (95 F) and 90% humidity, the ceiling fan at full throtle because the motel did not have cooling system. My body sliding on her because of the amount to sweat, that woman made me ask for mercy with her moves on top and all the dirty words she said in portuguese. After drying my body from the warm shower, I ran to a lanchonete to buy a cold beer and fire a smoke to bring back my soul to my body. There was a killer sun outside. The GP at the end left the motel and took a bus right in front.

Our friends from India will feel like at home, I suppose jajajaja.

This motoboy brought a physical album of pics so I could choose! That was insane guys, fat women, tall, short, redheads, mulatas, mostly 5's and few 6's for the quality of pics because most girls were in doggy showing the crotch or legs wide open. They had also other albums I did not dare to browse. That was really some wild popular pussy and visual impacting, I can say.

Even the interior of Sao Paulo will have these motoboys. They are great source of popular fun. I also like to taste popular from time to time, there can be incredible surprises, or hidden gems as you call.

Note: I don't post this info on the Cuiaba threat becasue that's a dead part of the forum.

At first I thought it was a bad idea when Alexa introduced the blond girl with channel hair cut. She looked like boring and a normal figure and I was really thinking of calling the production.

I was so wrong. She had very long legs, ultra high heels and a juicy ass. She really knew how to interact with the camera.

For photo / video tips, always glad to answer your questions by PM.

Note: One pic always to show it was really SP where this took place and Alexa on the far right.

[QUOTE=ThisOneFs1;2804578]Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.

Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.

Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.

Can you please help me with the following*?

1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?

2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?

3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?.[/QUOTE]Hello fellow Indian,

No ethnicity issues in Latin America. We Indians blend right in because of our complexion.

Yes, clinicas don't announce their names on boards but they are super easy to find. Especially Tangara which is my favorite place to go. Don't know if they are open on Sundays or not.

Uber is my preferred way of transportation but I have experienced Uber drivers selecting the ride and then cancelling it due to traffic / weather. Expect delays getting picked up.

Beside mongering, if you don't mind eating beef, do have a Mortadella sandwich in Mercado Municipal. Usually my first stop in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=HombreIndio;2805479]...Beside mongering, if you don't mind eating beef.[/QUOTE]No problem if one does not eat beef, try a Pernil sandwich that is made of pork and one can easily get 24 hrs a day. I think Pernil is more local, while what you had is more international.

I've returned to see my apostle Saint Paul and he laid before me a city of concrete and great splendor that only one dreams of.

In my Journey, I ventured with 3 other brothers in arms, each with their own tales to tell but this one is mine.

[CENTER][b]PREFACE[/b][/CENTER]

There are some words of advice I'd like to bestow upon thee before I ventured any further.

[CENTER]LOCATION[/CENTER]

Moema is a nice area and one would think being 5 mins away walking distance to the major clinicas would be a smart move, it is not. The problem you will find is that the airplanes constantly go over your head day and night and do not cease. I stayed in the moema area to show a new SP visitor around town and it was not worth it in his own words. I'm a heavy sleeper but still it did bug me when I just wanted to read my essential reading materials such as The Complete Calvin and Hobbes (paperback) and Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov.

There is no ideal location to stay at. You will be far from either the boates or the clinicas or something else. There is no "right spot" to stay at. I stayed in moema for the first 10 days then went to the Grand Hyatt in brooklin area. I think a good compromise is Brooklin novo. It's only 10 min ride away to the clinicas and 30 mins from bomboa, scandallo and casarao more or less. It's also a decent area which you have to remember is important because some girls will flat out refuse to come over if you're in a bad neighborhood like Repblica. They'll tell you to come to them or get a love motel and you don't want that if you can help it.

[CENTER]AIRBNB and HOTEL[/CENTER]

I used Airbnb and my host had it written down that I had to check in every guest that I had coming in. It really made it annoying some days. Eventually I just went pass the front desk but this can be a problem if the building sees this as a problem and can kick you out. If a host says you can't have visitor or you have a limit I'd take that into consideration and look for something else. I'd ask them what the method is to get in the building as some places you get a keyfob or they use face scanner to let you in and you just bypass security or times you need to talk to the front desk every time and that's when you have a problem usually.

Also take into consideration of hotels. Some girls will only go to a guys place if it's a hotel. I had some scandallo girls tell me this and online girls. Since this is my 6th rodeo I had some girls who I had a repeat with come to my airbnb but that's because they knew I was 300 like the romans (300 = CCC = cool, calm, collective).

I stayed in the Grand Hyatt at their presidential suite which is their best suite and it was a delight. I was there during lollapalooza festival so it was extra interesting as some of the artists were staying on the same floor and security was extra tight as there was a ton of fan girls waiting to see their favorite artists walk by. I'm sure some were for me as well but I didn't pay them no mind.

Things to take note of is that the maximum registered guests you can have for your stay is 3 people. Anything over that you have to pay R150. The rooms is big enough to have 6-8 people over so really it's up to you if you want to pay that extra cost for an 4 some or more. Before 7 pm they don't really care about you bringing a girl or 2 or 4 over because they know you have friends that will want to come over but after 7 pm they have a security guard at the front who will guide you to the front desk to sign in your guests because they assume anyone coming in after 7 pm might stay the night and they don't want a fiesta happening in your place without getting a piece of that sweet action. Once a girl leaves make sure to sign them out so you have two guests available to come still. The front desk might try to squeeze you like a Heinz EZ Squirt Purple ketchup bottle and say you already used up your 2 guest spots and now you have to pay R150 for any new visitors. That's not how it works. It's any two guests at any given time. As long as you signed out any previous guests you don't have to pay unless you go over the room limit. It's usually a different front desk person so they might be confused so just politely tell them you are within the limit and clear up the confusion.

With the presidential suite you also get free breakfast, usually that means downstairs on the first floor but you can also get it sent to your room complimentary. You have to use the hotel's website to order your breakfast combo and add it to your room charge and schedule it but once you check out it will be noted as complimentary and you don't pay. A buddy of mine who has been there many many time never knew this and always missed breakfast. With the jacuzzi and it's view of the city it's really the best spot in SP. Your girl will go wild.

[CENTER]CASH IS KING[/CENTER]

I recommend getting a charles schwab debit card so you don't have to pay any ATM fees. The grand hyatt notoriously has a high ATM fee, something like 30% of whatever you're taking out. Its crazy. Sometimes you will get a POS ATM situation like this so the CS debit card will save you some brain cells and dollars. I like using the bradesco atms as they work with international debit cards and they have a 2500 BRL withdrawal and some let you pick what type of bills you get. There are some 24 HR ATM machines located in supermarkets and express stores but they only let you take out 1000 BRL.

Always keep cash with you as it can save you alot of money and stress down the road. I mainly use my credit card to get those points but when you pay the girl it's always best to pay by cash as some places will charge you 10%-30% to pay them with card. Some girls have machines but they will also charge you or their machines won't work and now you have to find a ATM at 3 am and that's never fun.

[CENTER]HEALTH[/CENTER]

You should get on PREP before you head out. Takes about 2 weeks to be effective and you will have some peace of mind. Most Health insurance covers it. You can buy good skyn condoms at the pharmacies and you can get sildenafil or Tadalafil (generic Cialis) there as well. Its pretty cheap. Get some mouth wash as well. Scandallo has tons in their mens bathroom but the girls don't so I've had some funny encounters where the girls will ask me to sneak them some out of the mens bathroom because they can't go in. I know some guys like to make out with their girls hardcore but make sure to wash that mouth right away because some girls aren't as hygienic as others. They will clean their pussy and ass but only a few times I've seen a girl brush her teeth or get mouthwash.

If you start to feel sick go to the pharmacy and get some meds for sore throat / coughing right away. Once you get sick you won't have the strength to do anything let alone girls. I had a friend ignore my advice and he was out of action for a good 5 days which could have easily been dealt with. If you feel bad enough go to a clinic and get some stronger meds just in case. Once you're out of commission you might as well be on your outgoing flight because you're gone.

[CENTER]CELLPHONE[/CENTER]

I'm a tmobile customer and tmobile gives its MAX Magenta user 5 gb free international data so as soon as I landed I was up and running. You can also get Google Fi and it does the same thing for $20 or so. You can also use the airport's WIFI and get an uber straight to the nearest mall where you will be staying at and get a sim card from TIM but I helped a friend do that and went with him and it took about two hours before it became active so it's kind of a hassle if you don't need to do this.

[center]BUDDY SYSTEM[/center]
for sao paulo i would recommend you come with a buddy or meet other members there. Sao Paulo is great but doing the boates alone really is a wretched experience especially when you have done it with a group of buddies before. you can really relax and take your time to soak it all in and get some more insights from your buddy as you only have two eyeballs and two heads with one doing most of the decision making. In my experience, every guy has their own tastes and there usually is very little crossover. I, myself, am very fond of pale redhead with blue/green eyes and my buddies were into the exact opposites. they knew my type and could easily point a girl out that i would like faster than i did at times. you can't visit all the places and be there at the same time so they can get you some important info about the kind of talent one place has and so on. sao paulo really in essence is going from one building to another to another with lots of uber rides in between so it's better with company during those times. i would highly recommend you stay in the same building if you're doing Airbnb or the same hotel. it really saves time and when you're in need of help they are only a few floors away and not blocks. I ran out of condoms once and money with two girl over and my friend was able to come up to my floor and drop off a box and some cash.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2805656]I've returned to see my apostle Saint Paul and he laid before me a city of concrete and great splendor that only one dreams of.

In my Journey, I ventured with 3 other brothers in arms, each with their own tales to tell but this one is mine.

[CENTER][b]PREFACE[/b][/CENTER]

There are some words of advice I'd like to bestow upon thee before I ventured any further.

[CENTER]LOCATION[/CENTER]

Moema is a nice area and one would think being 5 mins away walking distance to the major clinicas would be a smart move, it is not. The problem you will find is that the airplanes constantly go over your head day and night and do not cease. I stayed in the moema area to show a new SP visitor around town and it was not worth it in his own words. I'm a heavy sleeper but still it did bug me when I just wanted to read my essential reading materials such as The Complete Calvin and Hobbes (paperback) and Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov.

There is no ideal location to stay at. You will be far from either the boates or the clinicas or something else. There is no "right spot" to stay at. I stayed in moema for the first 10 days then went to the Grand Hyatt in brooklin area. I think a good compromise is Brooklin novo. It's only 10 min ride away to the clinicas and 30 mins from bomboa, scandallo and casarao more or less. It's also a decent area which you have to remember is important because some girls will flat out refuse to come over if you're in a bad neighborhood like Repblica. They'll tell you to come to them or get a love motel and you don't want that if you can help it.[/QUOTE]Forgive me Father for I have sinned. And I know that, if given the chance, I will do so again. Now, airport noise can indeed be an issue in Moema. However, I know it's still possible to headquarter there while mitigating against the noise. The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2805726]The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.[/QUOTE]What you're suggesting is on the other side of the airplane noise area I uploaded with this response. Brooklin novo is just on the other side. Also safe and the airbnbs (if that's you're method, reader) are amazing! 24 HR pool, gym, sauna, bicycle to use and laundry. The one thing I do find annoying is how long a hotel takes to clean your clothes and how much it charges tho to be fair I know it's a bunch of logistics. After the 2nd girl over I like to wash the sheets and towels. For brooklin you would want to get an uber to hit the clinicas unless you don't mind starting at enjoy clinica and crossing the little highway to abobbora and the rest. I like brooklin novo as the airbnbs are much nicer and you get a nice view of the city with a balcony usually. The area also has nice cheap lunch spots that are great. i'm also a big fan of mirrors and there are a ton of airbnbs in brooklin novo area with a huge mirror in front of the bed or on the side for the closet. it's like a mini love motel room. that's something i do consider a must for me personally. the grand hyatt had some mirrors in the bathroom but i couldn't move them to the bed. so my only gripes with hotels but that's really a personal problem.

So dear reader it depends if you want a hotel go with the cane's advice as he has good info and intel or if you are better suited for airbnbs brooklin novo has a great amount that can't be beat.

Couple days ago I had very unpleasant meeting with a clubmodel * called Bia Castro. After about 40 minutes of our meeting she told me we have 20 minutes to go, however about 5 minutes later she started telling me to go away, being more and more angry each minute when I couldn't come for second time. I wanted to tell her in my broken Portuguese that if she shuts her mouth and continue doing her job I'll handle that situation, but I couldn't fully articulate that due to lack of language skills. So I got up and then she started shouting even more, scaring her little dog and started to push me over and pull. Not a smart move given that I'm a 100-kilogram man in his late 20's with martial arts training background. Anyway I don't use force on women so she was lucky. When I tried to go into shower she pushed me into the cabin all furious and then started to hit me with the cabin's glass door. Fair enough, I'll just wash my hands and gtfo then. But she didn't even let me wash my hands. Later there was also some force involved after I dressed up which probably damaged my t-shirt a little but nothing visible I think. And she tried to teach me something about respect LOL. Anyway out of the meeting I got got 2 x massages, 2 x BBBJs, a cowgirl, a reverse cowgirl, on the side, from behind and a story to tell so the 500 bozos weren't completely wasted.

I think I'll try scandallo for the first time soon, is it still 300 for entrance if I enter before 19 (and what about the minimum spend)? Is there any dress code? Should I decline any girl that comes to me and instead look for these I like and approach them? What might be the best day to go there?

[QUOTE=BangKoker;2805882]Couple days ago I had very unpleasant meeting with a clubmodel * called Bia Castro. After about 40 minutes of our meeting she told me we have 20 minutes to go, however about 5 minutes later she started telling me to go away, being more and more angry each minute when I couldn't come for second time. I wanted to tell her in my broken Portuguese that if she shuts her mouth and continue doing her job I'll handle that situation, but I couldn't fully articulate that due to lack of language skills. So I got up and then she started shouting even more, scaring her little dog and started to push me over and pull. Not a smart move given that I'm a 100-kilogram man in his late 20's with martial arts training background. Anyway I don't use force on women so she was lucky. When I tried to go into shower she pushed me into the cabin all furious and then started to hit me with the cabin's glass door. Fair enough, I'll just wash my hands and gtfo then. But she didn't even let me wash my hands. Later there was also some force involved after I dressed up which probably damaged my t-shirt a little but nothing visible I think. And she tried to teach me something about respect LOL. Anyway out of the meeting I got got 2 x massages, 2 x BBBJs, a cowgirl, a reverse cowgirl, on the side, from behind and a story to tell so the 500 bozos weren't completely wasted.

I think I'll try scandallo for the first time soon, is it still 300 for entrance if I enter before 19 (and what about the minimum spend)? Is there any dress code? Should I decline any girl that comes to me and instead look for these I like and approach them? What might be the best day to go there?[/QUOTE]Have you left out something Bang Koker? I mean you already had 40 minutes of banging. What tripped her off?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2805726]Forgive me Father for I have sinned. And I know that, if given the chance, I will do so again. Now, airport noise can indeed be an issue in Moema. However, I know it's still possible to headquarter there while mitigating against the noise. The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema twice and had no problems, I think the windows are sound proofed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806015]Have you left out something Bang Koker? I mean you already had 40 minutes of banging. What tripped her off?[/QUOTE]The only thing I left out was that before the meeting I had to reschedule it by 30 minutes as I started ordering an uber a bit too late to get there on time. But when I confirmed I'm on my way she told me that's all good (and it's South America where nobody is ever on time). She didn't mention we'll have a shorter meeting bc of that. I arrived just after 18:30, at 19:11 she confirmed that we have 20 minutes left and about 5 minutes later she started the shitshow (I think I also got a little bit softer at that time but it wasn't really bad).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806019]I've stayed at the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema twice and had no problems, I think the windows are sound proofed.[/QUOTE]+1. Stayed there and loved it. Perfect quiet. No issues at all and right in the heart of Clinica country and easy drive to Casarao or Scandallo. Even easier to Bomboa. High recommend.

Hopefully this will be helpful to someone.

When booking a hotel or airbnb always book for 2 people or more in the case of Bearsi, s nice bigger room. It may be a bit more but beneficial to book one day at a time in a new hotel. That way if it is not what you wanted you are not committed to stay there the whole time.

The clinicas are wonderful places to meet and sample nice girls for a lot less cost than the boates. Sometimes I will get a half hour session with no plan to pop. It is funny some times to see how the girl reacts. They can be quite confused as to why you are not finishing. I just smile and tell them it is ok not to worry. I always ask if they would like to share phone numbers and have a few long term relationships with girls I met that way. The third one of these this trip is coming to stay with me tonight.

Maybe others have more better looks or more game than me but I have been unsuccessful with meeting someone on the street. I still try and will start a conversation whenever I can. Since I am trying to learn Portuguese I find about half time a girl will be interested to try talking with me.

Having rambled on long enough, I appreciate all who helped me down this Sao Paulo journey and hope to help others.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2806102]The clinicas are wonderful places to meet and sample nice girls for a lot less cost than the boates. Sometimes I will get a half hour session with no plan to pop. It is funny some times to see how the girl reacts. They can be quite confused as to why you are not finishing. I just smile and tell them it is ok not to worry. I always ask if they would like to share phone numbers and have a few long term relationships with girls I met that way. The third one of these this trip is coming to stay with me tonight.

Maybe others have more better looks or more game than me but I have been unsuccessful with meeting someone on the street. I still try and will start a conversation whenever I can. Since I am trying to learn Portuguese I find about half time a girl will be interested to try talking with me.

Having rambled on long enough, I appreciate all who helped me down this Sao Paulo journey and hope to help others.[/QUOTE]The boates idea is a good suggestion. I contemplated doing that very thing since I like to be edged for a prolonged period of time with one big finish.

Meeting women outside of a dating app hasn't happened for me yet, but I plan to put more effort next time I visit since I will have learned a little more Portuguese instead of going directly to a translation app. Can't wait to visit next month again!

[QUOTE=BangKoker;2806026]The only thing ....[/QUOTE]Do you use condom? My guess based on the info from your post is that you probably pounded her too hard without realizing it.

I don't go to Scandallo on Monday or Saturday. I talked to girls when they approach me but I don't touch them at all if I am not interested.

I think the airport limits traffic during the overnight hours. I don't remember planes overflying the neighborhood after midnight and before 6 am That doesn't really help guys who are out at boates all night and want to rest for a few hours. The clinica life (and the office hours life) lines up well with the flight schedule. Sometimes it's fun to pop just as a jumbo jet takes off over the clinica. LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2805726]Forgive me Father for I have sinned. And I know that, if given the chance, I will do so again. Now, airport noise can indeed be an issue in Moema. However, I know it's still possible to headquarter there while mitigating against the noise. The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2804863]You are spot in 'how you carry and present yourself". As long as you respect and treat them well and present yourself well including wearing nice, not necessarily fancy, clothes.[/QUOTE]American of Indian descent. Stayed in Moema last time and visited Prime, Scandallo, Casarao. Even walked the streets Av Iberipura at 2 am looking for a late night snack and another time walking over to the gas station for water / drinks. Also went to a carnival rehearsal with friends. Never felt unsafe, weird or discriminated. I agree with how you carry and present yourself. Not being weird or crazy. Given you are from the States, just be yourself and take in all that this amazing city has to offer.

There are several advice on cards that don't charge international fees. I would add the Wise Card from Transferwise to that list and if you are from Europe the N26 Metal card. Wise takes about a week to 10 days to ship the card to you. You can load / unload money fast and best conversion rates anywhere in the world. Always go to an ATM upon arrival and withdraw cash (only gas station ATMs are 24 h, others close).

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2804710]I would normally ask this via PM, but your mailbox is full!

I know you said you won't tell, but was it Liberal Club?[/QUOTE]If she is slightly dusky (not dark), very tall (5'11 perhaps 6), Japanese looking, then I have spotted her at Scandallo. In fact, she was the top pick for me that night. But, unfortunately, I had committed to someone else by then. Will report back with number if I find her at Scandallo next week.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2805190]Just noticed two fraudulent charges on my credit card today and I've only used it in Brazil. Pretty much only used that card for contact less payments but not sure where they got my details.[/QUOTE]This is troubling to read, especially if you say you only used the card for contactless payments. Any more details to share at this time?

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2805190]Just noticed two fraudulent charges on my credit card today and I've only used it in Brazil. Pretty much only used that card for contact less payments but not sure where they got my details.[/QUOTE]You might want to consider getting an RFID wallet that protect people from scanning the details of your card, if you do not own one already. In crowded spaces people within the right device can get those details without you noticing. In addition, there are sleeves that you can buy and you can place in your wallet and then put the credit card inside. These sleeve block access to this information as well and they fit inside the sleeves that most wallet have to place credit card and other sensitive personal documents.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2805656]I used Airbnb and my host had it written down that I had to check in every guest that I had coming in. [/QUOTE]Just for the shits and giggles, I wonder if everyone wrote to the CEO of Airbnb or email complaint to Customer Service regarding the Host rules prohibiting you having a visitor (s) in your Airbnb what would they say?? I'm sure they may back the Host rules but just wondering. Especially for solo travelers I tend to think its unrealistic that a Guest can't have a visitor (friend / colleague) It's unrealistic that solo traveler will meet someone or an acquaintance and would like to have them come over. It sort of defies the human relationship dynamic.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2805656]I recommend getting a charles schwab debit card so you don't have to pay any ATM fees. [/QUOTE][B]IF you transfer funds to your Charles Schwab Debit Card how many days is it available for withdrawal?? [/B] Some cards take Two or more Days to "settle" before funds are available for withdrawal.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2805656] I know some guys like to make out with their girls hardcore but make sure to wash that mouth right away because some girls aren't as hygienic as others. [b]They will clean their pussy and ass but only a few times I've seen a girl brush her teeth or get mouthwash.[/b] [/QUOTE]I see a lot of guys talking about DFK and making out in most cases the girl just finished BBBJ that guys love so much, (with a guy before them known and unknown) and they probably didn't brush teeth or use mouthwash. Yuck, Icky, Gag, you get to taste the He Who Came Before You! That's disconcerting. Good advice IS for you to get some strong mouthwash for yourself and don't leave home without it (shit you may also want to carry a toothbrush for yourself when mongering away from your hotel room/lodging LOL!) Also, some sore throat lozenges just in case.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2805656] I'm a tmobile customer and tmobile gives its MAX Magenta user 5 gb free international data so as soon as I landed I was up and running. [/QUOTE]Given "reasonable" usage how long would 5 GB of data last?? I'm considering getting TMobile for my Monger Bat Phone! (If the data part can last a while).

[QUOTE=The Cane;2805726] The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.[/QUOTE]

[b]Since you are the paying Guest,[/b] What is the hotel Visitor Policy is it a GF Hotel? Do they charge or have other restrictions?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806019]I've stayed at the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema twice and had no problems, I think the windows are sound proofed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steve 9696;2806071]+1. Stayed there and loved it. Perfect quiet. No issues at all and right in the heart of Clinica country and easy drive to Casarao or Scandallo. Even easier to Bomboa. High recommend.[/QUOTE]

[b]Since you are the paying Guest,[/b] What is the hotel Visitor Policy is it a GF Hotel? Do they charge or have other restrictions?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2806363]Do you use condom? My guess based on the info from your post is that you probably pounded her too hard without realizing it.

I don't go to Scandallo on Monday or Saturday. I talked to girls when they approach me but I don't touch them at all if I am not interested.[/QUOTE]Yes ofc, never had a bareback vaginal and there's a decent chance I'll never decide to try it in my lifetime. I think I pounded her hard for a moment in a reverse cowgirl but we also did 2 more positions in a more calm manner before she snapped.

Thanks for scandallo tips, do I get to spend any portion of the entry fee on the food and drinks?

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2806525]I see a lot of guys talking about DFK and making out in most cases the girl just finished BBBJ that guys love so much, (with a guy before them known and unknown) and they probably didn't brush teeth or use mouthwash. Yuck, Icky, Gag, you get to taste the He Who Came Before You! That's disconcerting. Good advice IS for you to get some strong mouthwash for yourself and don't leave home without it (shit you may also want to carry a toothbrush for yourself when mongering away from your hotel room/lodging LOL!) Also, some sore throat lozenges just in case.

[b]Since you are the paying Guest,[/b] What is the hotel Visitor Policy is it a GF Hotel? Do they charge or have other restrictions?[/QUOTE]That's why it was nice to go with "Sher" at Quatro por Quatro in Rio. You see you knew she brushed after a guy "nutted" all over her teeth and gums hahaha! Puta Playa posted the proof LOL! And I can assure you that Giovanna at Termas 65 at least used Listerine and gargled between sessions. I knew that was a good thing when, after we finished a session, I saw her DFKing with a guy after she'd had my nuts in her mouth LOL! And as far as the Mercure Sao Paolo Moema Time Square goes? There were no "garota fees" or restrictions. I booked for two, and any time I brought a girl back we just walked straight for the elevators no questions asked.

Hi everyone. Need your suggestion / advise on below.

I intend to travel Sao paulo in few weeks for holidays of 11 days. Last I visited Sao paulo was before covid in year 2019. I plan to stay in Mercure moema times square. I beleive this is girl friendly Hotel. Please advise me. Mainly I intend to visit clinicas and boates like Scandallo, casarao, bamboa as discussed in forum. I have gone through last 100 pages of this forum and was quite beneficial. I know very basic Portuguese and cannot speak Portuguese. Last time I visited, I hanged out with ABG (Alto bom gosto), So did not face any language issue. IS it safe to monger alone with very little or no command in Portuguese language? Also, Should I include Rio de Janerio on my mongering plan as I have never visited there. Any suggestion will be most welcome.

One thing I have been reading in news that now a days there is campaign going on in Brazil against sexual harrasment of women. Any information on if it has harmed mongering scenes in Brazil. Following is the link:

[URL]https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2023-03/ministry-tourism-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment-women[/URL]

[QUOTE=BangKoker;2806537]Yes ofc, never had a bareback vaginal and there's a decent chance I'll never decide to try it in my lifetime. I think I pounded her hard for a moment in a reverse cowgirl but we also did 2 more positions in a more calm manner before she snapped.

Thanks for scandallo tips, do I get to spend any portion of the entry fee on the food and drinks?[/QUOTE]You can spend all 300 on food and drinks.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2806525]
I see a lot of guys talking about DFK and making out in most cases the girl just finished BBBJ that guys love so much, (with a guy before them known and unknown) and they probably didn't brush teeth or use mouthwash. Yuck, Icky, Gag, you get to taste the He Who Came Before You! That's disconcerting. Good advice IS for you to get some strong mouthwash for yourself and don't leave home without it (shit you may also want to carry a toothbrush for yourself when mongering away from your hotel room/lodging LOL!) Also, some sore throat lozenges just in case.
[/QUOTE]Yeah I don't see the appeal in DFK either. I’m not there to make love, I’m there to have my fun.

[QUOTE=Jet69;2741995]Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?[/QUOTE]I'm an African American. I've mongered in Dubai, Bahrain, Thailand, South Korea, Japan, Spain, Germany, Amsterdam, Czech Republic, Dominican Republic, USA, etc.

I have never been shunned from any brothel or club. 99.9% of WGs I've approached say yes. The 0. 01% who declined were not the hottest in the brothel so it didn't matter (they will claim black penis is too big). I've also had porn stars which trumps any WGs I've ever had.

I'm planning a trip to Sao Paulo in June, but I'm here to tell you that as a black American monger I have had no problems finding and having the women I want.

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[QUOTE=Jackob54;2806617]Hi everyone. Need your suggestion / advise on below.

I intend to travel Sao paulo in few weeks for holidays of 11 days. Last I visited Sao paulo was before covid in year 2019. I plan to stay in Mercure moema times square. I beleive this is girl friendly Hotel. Please advise me. Mainly I intend to visit clinicas and boates like Scandallo, casarao, bamboa as discussed in forum. I have gone through last 100 pages of this forum and was quite beneficial. I know very basic Portuguese and cannot speak Portuguese. Last time I visited, I hanged out with ABG (Alto bom gosto), So did not face any language issue. IS it safe to monger alone with very little or no command in Portuguese language? Also, Should I include Rio de Janerio on my mongering plan as I have never visited there. Any suggestion will be most welcome.

One thing I have been reading in news that now a days there is campaign going on in Brazil against sexual harrasment of women. Any information on if it has harmed mongering scenes in Brazil. Following is the link:

[URL]https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2023-03/ministry-tourism-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment-women[/URL][/QUOTE]I think this campaign may be true since I heard recently of a foreign seaman in one of the ships visiting Brazil has been in prison already for 10 days for harassment, touching a security woman's butt at the dock and flirting with her.

The thing goes like this.

You are an adult traveler and you have made a reservation for two pax in one double room. They can't ban her.

If you bring a second guest during the same day / night, that's another story, hotel has the right to charge extra or make a new reservation.

If your reservation is a single room for one person, then you made a bad choice.

* * * * * *.

I remember a hotel in Chile suggested that I could not "enter the hotel with a pro*t*ute" and I got mad and said "are you telling my girlfriend is a pr*ti**te?

When the girl left the hotel one hour later, I got a phonecall from the reception "Hey sir, your girlfriend just left the hotel" and I replied "oh yeah, we have argued" LOL.

ABG was a great guy, a legend. I ahd some good times with him at the old Vani's Way back around 2010.

[QUOTE=Jackob54;2806617]Hi everyone. Need your suggestion / advise on below.

I intend to travel Sao paulo in few weeks for holidays of 11 days. Last I visited Sao paulo was before covid in year 2019. I plan to stay in Mercure moema times square. I beleive this is girl friendly Hotel. Please advise me. Mainly I intend to visit clinicas and boates like Scandallo, casarao, bamboa as discussed in forum. I have gone through last 100 pages of this forum and was quite beneficial. I know very basic Portuguese and cannot speak Portuguese. Last time I visited, I hanged out with ABG (Alto bom gosto), So did not face any language issue. IS it safe to monger alone with very little or no command in Portuguese language? Also, Should I include Rio de Janerio on my mongering plan as I have never visited there. Any suggestion will be most welcome.

One thing I have been reading in news that now a days there is campaign going on in Brazil against sexual harrasment of women. Any information on if it has harmed mongering scenes in Brazil. Following is the link:

[URL]https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2023-03/ministry-tourism-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment-women[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2806654]Yeah I don't see the appeal in DFK either. Im not there to make love, Im there to have my fun.[/QUOTE]My guess is all men are different. DFK gets me harder faster than anything else including BBBJ.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2806586]... any time I brought a girl back we just walked straight for the elevators no questions asked.[/QUOTE]And working girls are working out from it too.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2806525]...
Given "reasonable" usage how long would 5 GB of data last?? ....
...[/QUOTE]

It goes down to slower speed after 5GB. I use it more like a spare and I prefer to get local SIM even though I have two numbers with me. Local SIM has much faster speed.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2806738]I think this campaign may be true since I heard recently of a foreign seaman in one of the ships visiting Brazil has been in prison already for 10 days for harassment, touching a security woman's butt at the dock and flirting with her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. This is little bad news of this campaign. Normally if someone is mongering with freelancer or hanging out with girl outside club / clinicas, there can be some disagreement / argument and lady can take advantage of such laws / campaign. Normally I like to bring girls to my Hotel room or Motel. Please suggest if this campaign has distributed any mongering scenes in Sao Paulo or Sao Paulo is still rocking.

Also, in my past trips I was hanging out with ABG as I know very basic Portuguese. Any one in the forum who can guide me like wingman ABG. He was legend and very good person and I had very good time with him in Sao Paulo.

My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in São Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.

My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in São Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.

So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.

It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.

The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.

Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807184]My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like..[/QUOTE]Sorry this happened to you. I thought my trip was going to go the same as yours after selecting a girl in Scandallo who had a great body but was not worth it, and I was afraid it would represent my trip. While I was disappointed with her performance, I decided to go through this site again, and check out reviews of girls on review sites (which is what I would do if I was in the USA Before seeing a girl). Taking that extra time to research did help and each girl I booked moving forward was progressively better than the next. I know this won't do much to solve your current frustrations, but there are some good and great options in SP.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2806773]ABG was a great guy, a legend. I ahd some good times with him at the old Vani's Way back around 2010.[/QUOTE]I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks!

[QUOTE=RudyMuller888;2807365]I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks![/QUOTE]It's for the username Alto Bom Gusto.

He led many forum users to good times and good girls.

Seems he's dead.

Currently my plan is to arrive early on Sunday the 23rd. Staying in the Hilton Morumbi (I know this is sub optimal location but it's one of the few hotels approved by my company). My hope is to hit a clinicas around mid morning. Is that even possible on a Sunday's? I have narrowed it down to palms, pro, lotus, and Prime. That evening I'the like to go to casarao because it's open Sunday. Will it be dead on Sunday? The rest of the week I hope to pull in an escort from a site for overnight and try scandello. Please let me know if I am missing anything!

This site has been incredibly helpful!

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2807197]So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.

It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.

The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.

Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?[/QUOTE]Just take the bus for $20-$25 and 6 hours travel.

I am sorry you had an underwhelming experience. I don't think there is any place in this world where you can be guaranteed "X". Also, particularly so because that definition of X is very different from person to person. This hobby is such. Very subjective. And, to make things even more complex, we, the hobbyists, change our preferences / kinks as we age.

Please don't conclude so quickly on BR. Do speak to few members, research a bit more and allow yourself to learn from your own failures and adventures. I am sure, you will fall in love with the beautiful country and it's people.

Finally, personally for me, the fact that this hobby involves unexpected and unpredictable outcomes each time makes me interested to pursue this. If it were exactly 10/10 (whatever that means) each time, I will probably get bored and give up.

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807184]My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why the campaign would be bad news unless you start playing grab ass with random people.

[QUOTE=Jackob54;2807144]Thanks for the reply. This is little bad news of this campaign. Normally if someone is mongering with freelancer or hanging out with girl outside club / clinicas, there can be some disagreement / argument and lady can take advantage of such laws / campaign. Normally I like to bring girls to my Hotel room or Motel. Please suggest if this campaign has distributed any mongering scenes in Sao Paulo or Sao Paulo is still rocking.

Also, in my past trips I was hanging out with ABG as I know very basic Portuguese. Any one in the forum who can guide me like wingman ABG. He was legend and very good person and I had very good time with him in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2807197]So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.

It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.

The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.

Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?[/QUOTE]Yes, they charge much higher prices to foreigners. If you try to book on the Brazilian website, you'll get stuck when they require you to enter your CPF (Brasilian taxpayer's number). Only way is to go to the airline office yourself when you are in Brasil. Oddly enough, at the airline office they have only one price, at least they did when I booked a ticket to Navegantes at GOL in Sao Paulo. You may need to arm yourself with patience if there is a queue.

The LATAM website is horrible. I was once stuck in Lima wanting to reschedule my flight back to Brasil. No way. The ticket was rescheduleable I knew, but the website wouldn't let me. Luckily my Peruvian friend knew someone at a travel agency who could at least rebook my flight for a fee.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2804457]Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.

It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.

If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.

Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:

1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.

2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account!

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2807197]So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.

It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.

The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.

Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bacctravel.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.brol.com/[/URL]

Try calling these or any other dedicated Brazilian travel agency to at least see if they can provide you with cheaper tickets or at least direct you to where you can obtain cheaper tickets. If not, deal with online purchase if it's critical that you make advance purchase of tickets.

I have always found it better to purchase "inter-country" travel while still in airport, purchase at the Airline desk prior to catching my transportation to hotel. Or during my stay just going to the local airline office if it's close or any travel agency that is close to where I'm staying, usually able to obtain cheaper tickets.

[QUOTE=XXL;2807566]My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:

1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.

2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account![/QUOTE]However, the hotel issue in Colombia can easily be avoided. For example, one can rent an airbnb and this issue is no longer there.

Regarding item 2 above, I really don't see why it is so difficult to access your cash in Colombia. I have been doing it for 10 years and never had an issue.

Anybody know is there is such a thing as "privados" or VIP rooms or booths where you can "test" the girl for 10 minutes before taking them to a room? I love theses booths in Hong Kong, Tijuana.

[QUOTE=RudyMuller888;2807365]I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks![/QUOTE]ABG is a milestone in this forum. After he died the São Paulo forum went dead.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2807786]ABG is a milestone in this forum. After he died the So Paulo forum went dead.[/QUOTE]My visits to Brazil used to always be to Rio and on occasion I was in transit in SP to Rio. ABG's posts were in fact responsible for me visiting Sao Paulo and there has been no looking back.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2807919]My visits to Brazil used to always be to Rio and on occasion I was in transit in SP to Rio. ABG's posts were in fact responsible for me visiting Sao Paulo and there has been no looking back.[/QUOTE]Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2807929]Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.[/QUOTE]ABG's experiences and assistance were of great value. However, clinica discussions dominated the SP thread during the height of ABG's tour guide business.

So I agree. I think the SP forum has flourished with broader experiences. There's still plenty of posts on the clinicas. I'm surprised no local has picked up where ABG left off.

Mate, sorry for your experience but SP I would say is not the place to be calling websites or agents or any of the sort. You go to the boates you speak with the women you like, you see if theres a feeling and you take them there or you take them to hotel / flat. Thats the best experience ever, and for that SP is unparalleled. I haven't been to Colombia yet, but been all over US, Europe, Asia and don't think there's a better city / ease of being a punter than SP. With soooo many different types of women, because that's the thing about Brazil and SP. You want skinny? They have? Blonde? Yes sir! Big? There's also that, all types of working professional women exist in that city. That I'm completely sure no other city on earth has.

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807184]My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Casarão Sunday is a good bet, probably not the whole place will be open but it will have women and less men so good for you. Bahamas is the "only" boate open Sundays, I don't recommend.

I'm not a fan of website girls in SP, its expensive for the time you get and they tend to behave more like entitled princess. My feeling.

Try Scandallo, Cafe Photo and Bomboa for Boates.

[QUOTE=RudyMuller888;2807437]Currently my plan is to arrive early on Sunday the 23rd. Staying in the Hilton Morumbi (I know this is sub optimal location but it's one of the few hotels approved by my company). My hope is to hit a clinicas around mid morning. Is that even possible on a Sunday's? I have narrowed it down to palms, pro, lotus, and Prime. That evening I'the like to go to casarao because it's open Sunday. Will it be dead on Sunday? The rest of the week I hope to pull in an escort from a site for overnight and try scandello. Please let me know if I am missing anything!

This site has been incredibly helpful![/QUOTE]

For those who have visited multiple times or spend months / weeks during their stay, is there a slower time of year when there isn't as much action? I can imagine that the holidays are a little slower because of people wanting to spend time and money with family.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2807929]Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and [b]I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be[/b] because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, [b]Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil[/b].[/QUOTE]I agree, especially the quality, depth, and detail of posts have significantly improved. There have even been a number of reports on new venues or seldom mentioned venues which means monger are venturing out and exploring a little more out of their comfort zone.

I also hope that reports start to come in on other areas of Brazil as well.

Quick question, how quiet is SP between roughly the 27th and 2nd of Jan? I am assuming slim pickings with a lot of people headed home or away on holiday? Would love to be wrong about that as its convenient timing for me.

Been to Rio three times for New Years now, not in the mood for that craziness. Any other decent destinations worth considering if SP is ghost town?

[QUOTE=XXL;2807566]My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:

1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.

2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account![/QUOTE]I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.

I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.

PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.

I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?

What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807182]My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

[/QUOTE]I don't understand this post. You claimed you went to scandallo but most of your posts talks about agents and outcalls?

I'm planning a trip to sao paulo in June, and the posts here said there's 200+ WG in scandallo, but you're claiming you couldn't find one good one?

As far as the "rush and call it a good one after a shot," well yeah, that's why you have to negotiate multiple shots with WGs. Some folks are far too reliant on escort agency outcalls with fake pictures and pushy managers, when all they had to do was walk down the street to a brothel and pick who they want.

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807184]My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I'm due up for my trip report but I will say briefly the best experience I've had mongering (including MX, Colombia, Philippines, Brazil) has been bar fining the Scandalo girls back to my hotel. They never leave after the first pop stick around a few hours and I've gone 2 more rounds. Also very open to negotiating I usually counter with 300 reais below asking. Some absolute smoke show Brancas were amazing in bed

The day clinicas are also amazing bang for buck if you find a gem in the lineup. Wow talk about money's worth.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2808137]Quick question, how quiet is SP between roughly the 27th and 2nd of Jan? I am assuming slim pickings with a lot of people headed home or away on holiday? Would love to be wrong about that as its convenient timing for me.?[/QUOTE]27-30 will be OK. I was in SP same time period last year (2022). The boates, especially Scandello, weren't very crowded but there was more than enough talent for a good time. The boates will be closed NYE but it's a Sunday this year and they would have been closed anyway.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2805656]

[CENTER]AIRBNB and HOTEL[/CENTER]

Also take into consideration of hotels. Some girls will only go to a guys place if it's a hotel. I had some scandallo girls tell me this and online girls. Since this is my 6th rodeo I had some girls who I had a repeat with come to my airbnb but that's because they knew I was 300 like the romans (300 = CCC = cool, calm, collective).

I stayed in the Grand Hyatt at their presidential suite which is their best suite and it was a delight. I was there during lollapalooza festival so it was extra interesting as some of the artists were staying on the same floor and security was extra tight as there was a ton of fan girls waiting to see their favorite artists walk by. I'm sure some were for me as well but I didn't pay them no mind.

Things to take note of is that the maximum registered guests you can have for your stay is 3 people. Anything over that you have to pay R150. The rooms is big enough to have 6-8 people over so really it's up to you if you want to pay that extra cost for an 4 some or more. Before 7 pm they don't really care about you bringing a girl or 2 or 4 over because they know you have friends that will want to come over but after 7 pm they have a security guard at the front who will guide you to the front desk to sign in your guests because they assume anyone coming in after 7 pm might stay the night and they don't want a fiesta happening in your place without getting a piece of that sweet action. Once a girl leaves make sure to sign them out so you have two guests available to come still. The front desk might try to squeeze you like a Heinz EZ Squirt Purple ketchup bottle and say you already used up your 2 guest spots and now you have to pay R150 for any new visitors. That's not how it works. It's any two guests at any given time. As long as you signed out any previous guests you don't have to pay unless you go over the room limit. It's usually a different front desk person so they might be confused so just politely tell them you are within the limit and clear up the confusion.

With the presidential suite you also get free breakfast, usually that means downstairs on the first floor but you can also get it sent to your room complimentary. You have to use the hotel's website to order your breakfast combo and add it to your room charge and schedule it but once you check out it will be noted as complimentary and you don't pay. A buddy of mine who has been there many many time never knew this and always missed breakfast. With the jacuzzi and it's view of the city it's really the best spot in SP. Your girl will go wild.[/QUOTE]So just wanted to clarify, since I reserved my room at the Renaissance for just me, will I be charged the R150 every time I bring a new guest or will there be some leeway during a specific time of day?

I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808256]I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.

I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.

PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.

I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?

What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2808334]27-30 will be OK. I was in SP same time period last year (2022). The boates, especially Scandello, weren't very crowded but there was more than enough talent for a good time. The boates will be closed NYE but it's a Sunday this year and they would have been closed anyway.[/QUOTE]I'm sure Escandallo has pretty girls, but I don't think its a good idea to spend that much money on one girl. I will go to SP in 2 weeks but I will probably overlook the boates and go to the clinicas.

First I prefer daytime action and SP can be dangerous at night; second paying a lot of money for a girl is not a guarantee that she will comply with your wishes; third, in Tijuana or Colombia I can have 4 stunners for the price of one at Escandallo. If you have a bad experience with one of them you may still be happy with the 3 others.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2807978]ABG's experiences and assistance were of great value. However, clinica discussions dominated the SP thread during the height of ABG's tour guide business.

So I agree. I think the SP forum has flourished with broader experiences. There's still plenty of posts on the clinicas. I'm surprised no local has picked up where ABG left off.[/QUOTE]Hi everyone. Anyone who can assist me with wingman to hangout in SP. Self will be travelling to SP next month.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2808409]I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.[/QUOTE]

I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently don’t and that’s The reason this keeps coming up — the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.

Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2808383]So just wanted to clarify, since I reserved my room at the Renaissance for just me, will I be charged the R150 every time I bring a new guest or will there be some leeway during a specific time of day?[/QUOTE]Just book your room for two guests and the problem is solved. You can bring different girls and most of the time they don't check during the day. They might check later in the night when you come back to the room with a girl. She can register with the hotel and if you have two guests, then they won't charge you anything.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2808421]I'm sure Escandallo has pretty girls, but I don't think its a good idea to spend that much money on one girl. I will go to SP in 2 weeks but I will probably overlook the boates and go to the clinicas.

First I prefer daytime action and SP can be dangerous at night; second paying a lot of money for a girl is not a guarantee that she will comply with your wishes; third, in Tijuana or Colombia I can have 4 stunners for the price of one at Escandallo. If you have a bad experience with one of them you may still be happy with the 3 others.[/QUOTE]SP is like any major city in the US, it is not dangerous depends on where you go. As far as Scandallo, yes it is getting more and more expensive and probably will remain there if people willing to pay the price and also not guarantee service. More beautiful women for sure because you have more overall women at the club plus they dress and put on makeup. Clinicas give you the best bang for your bucks, and you can find good looking girl for great service, plus if you're not a night time person, it is best for clinicas.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2808573]SP is like any major city in the US, it is not dangerous depends on where you go. As far as Scandallo, yes it is getting more and more expensive and probably will remain there if people willing to pay the price and also not guarantee service. More beautiful women for sure because you have more overall women at the club plus they dress and put on makeup. Clinicas give you the best bang for your bucks, and you can find good looking girl for great service, plus if you're not a night time person, it is best for clinicas.[/QUOTE]Dollar is down now. Last month it was 5. 25, now is 4. 81 so it is getting expensive too.

[QUOTE=Jackob54;2808491]Hi everyone. Anyone who can assist me with wingman to hangout in SP. Self will be travelling to SP next month.[/QUOTE]When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2808579]When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.[/QUOTE]Hey wouldn't mind meeting up as well. I'll be there next month on the 12th.

This is excellent advice. I think this is what confuses guys.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2808523]I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently dont and thats The reason this keeps coming up the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.

Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.[/QUOTE]

So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.

To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.

I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait. The waiting is slow so I go upstairs to floor 3 (floor 4 in north american) and I order a wrap. Once again I am issued a number so I sit and wait again, and I people-watch to pass the time. I see lots if beautiful women and I also see a 12 year old girl wearing one of those sexy underboob shirts and I am disturbed. I get my wrap and it is decent. I go back downstairs and Vivo is now ready to help me. As soon as they figure out I'm a foreigner they ask for my passport and obviously I don't have it on me because everybody I talked to told me to only carry what I needed in Brazil. I have to go back to my hotel but I have no cash so I need to find another shitty ATM. There are no atms in the mall so I have to across the street. Banco Santander does not accept my debit card so I go across another street to Bradesco. They are offering an exchange rate 11% under market rate and a $20 fee. This also sucks but it's the best so far. I get more cash and I'm finally headed back to my hotel, but no Uber this time since there's no wifi. Turns out taxis are almost twice as expensive as Uber.

By the time I get back to my hotel, pick up my passport, go back to the mall and get my sim card set up, it's already been 8 hours since my plane landed. I'm jet-lagged and tired as fuck and I'm secretly hoping that half the mall staff die in a fire because the firefighters can't tell what floor they're on. I'm too tired and frustrated to do anything else that day.

If anybody here is going to be a first time visitor to Brazil, please learn from my mistakes.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2808409]I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.[/QUOTE]If I take a girl home from Scandallo will I be able to pay her with Visa? I met my first girl today, and Visa took another 7% off her so she upcharged me by 7%.

Bradesco is still the best ATM I've found but 11% below market rate plus $20 in fees is kinda shitty.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2808602]Hey wouldn't mind meeting up as well. I'll be there next month on the 12th.[/QUOTE]I'll be there starting the 15th.

[QUOTE=KcDark;2808579]When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.[/QUOTE]I will be in SP around May last week. Will be there for 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2808266]I don't understand this post. You claimed you went to scandallo but most of your posts talks about agents and outcalls?

I'm planning a trip to sao paulo in June, and the posts here said there's 200+ WG in scandallo, but you're claiming you couldn't find one good one?

As far as the "rush and call it a good one after a shot," well yeah, that's why you have to negotiate multiple shots with WGs. Some folks are far too reliant on escort agency outcalls with fake pictures and pushy managers, when all they had to do was walk down the street to a brothel and pick who they want.[/QUOTE]You need to keep your expectation lower. It was a disappointment the first time I went to Scandallo because my expectation was too high and that could only be met on a great day. I am not the only one felt this way. We reported our experience a couple of years ago. In this case, you may disappoint if you are expecting 200 as common occurrence.

I use only a VISA in Sao Paulo to withdraw cash at ATMs, mostly at Bradesco or Santander. You only have to be careful for the rate and do not convert (as already mentioned by others).

If you want to register with PIX, you need a Brazilian CPF, so you cannot use it if you don't have one.

But only for receiving. For sending to a PIX account, there are a few apps where you can do this with CC or even Apple Pay (apps like PAYSEND or Remitly. I tried both and it worked, but I use now only PAYSEND. If you installing the app and using code "02 tlwb" you should get a bonus or at least first tx is free, so you can test it &#128526.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808256]I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.

I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.

PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.

I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?

What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808703]If I take a girl home from Scandallo will I be able to pay her with Visa? I met my first girl today, and Visa took another 7% off her so she upcharged me by 7%.

Bradesco is still the best ATM I've found but 11% below market rate plus $20 in fees is kinda shitty.[/QUOTE]More than likely yes because of the card fees. I was surprised at how many people including street vendors, had personal credit card machines which is pretty efficient.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2808523]I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently dont and thats The reason this keeps coming up the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.

Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.[/QUOTE]I don't think I've ever been given this option. My bank is a Canadian credit union so I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Perhaps my memory isn't very good because I went to a Bradesco ATM yesterday and it couldn't process my card, so I went to Santander instead. The ATM told me it was going to charge me a $20 real fee but it didn't say anything else about the exchange rate, nor did it give me any conversion options. I took a gamble and withdrew the cash anyways. It turned OK because the exchange rate it gave me was only 5. 7% below market rate.

I was going to go to Scandello yesterday but my energy levels are still low so I decided to go somewhere less expensive: Bomboa. They have $300 minimum on entry that you spend on drinks and food, $170 to take the girl to a room upstairs and $200 to take her out of the bar. The beers are $40 and the girl drinks are $90, and the food is kinda expensive too (and a bit mediocre). I went at 8 pm because I was struggling to stay awake and the place was pretty dead in terms of customers. There were about 20 girls on the floor, another 10 staff members, and 5 customers including me. Most of the girls were in the 5-8 range but I saw a few 9's. I started talking to one of the 9's who was very beautiful and friendly and I took her to my hotel for $1000 plus the bar fine. I should have negotiated a better price because I was surrounded by girls who wanted to do business with me. I did have a good time with the girl but she had a few too many restrictions and she was kind of eager to get going after spending an hour in my hotel.

I'm sorry guys, I guess chumps like me are responsible for price inflation. I'm worried that when I go to scandallo I'm going to spend a minimum of $2000.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808698]So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.

To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.

I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait..[/QUOTE]You have reinforced my decision to set up my google Fi account. Obrigado.

Sorry to hear about your frustrations so far, I'm sure things will get better. Looking forward to more updates / experiences!

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808703]If I take a girl home from Scandallo will I be able to pay her with Visa? I met my first girl today, and Visa took another 7% off her so she upcharged me by 7%.

Bradesco is still the best ATM I've found but 11% below market rate plus $20 in fees is kinda shitty.[/QUOTE]See my post below. You are absolutely choosing the wrong option if you are dealing with exchange rates and killer fees. Choose "no conversion" and the local bank is not involved in the exchange rate at all. I know factually this works at Santander and Bradesco.

Also doing phone wrong IMO. Get Google FI before you leave the states. It uses an ESIM so you can add your to any modern phone. You don't do anything when you reach Brazil or 200 other countries. Just power on and you are good to go. You can log into the web and pause service any time. So you can only have it active when you travel. You MUST signup and activate from US tho. Another benefit was when my phone was pickpocketed in Rio I could just logon my computer and shut off phone / internet instantly. Then restore later on new phone.

Does anyone have the name of the highest end Escort agencies in São Paulo or Brazil? I'm talking fitness queen / model or actress quality.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2808825]You need to keep your expectation lower. It was a disappointment the first time I went to Scandallo because my expectation was too high and that could only be met on a great day. I am not the only one felt this way. We reported our experience a couple of years ago. In this case, you may disappoint if you are expecting 200 as common occurrence.[/QUOTE]Lower my expectations in what regard? Number of women? Performance? Attitude? Pricing? Variety or diversity of women? Many folks have said it's "better than Colombia. " I've been to Thailand, Amsterdam, German FKKs, Dominican Republic, Barcelona, Dubai, etc.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2809040]Lower my expectations in what regard? Number of women? Performance? Attitude? Pricing? Variety or diversity of women? Many folks have said it's "better than Colombia. " I've been to Thailand, Amsterdam, German FKKs, Dominican Republic, Barcelona, Dubai, etc.[/QUOTE]My mistake to offer advice unsolicited.

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807182]...Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.....[/QUOTE]I don't know what your list is. I know this setup but my experience was YMMV because the ones I had are all from twitter. There is a reason I like them. I have reported this as well.

I am assuming you did not try clinica. It may turn out differently if you have tried because it usually is reliable.

I hope your trip gets better. Don't worry we've all been here done that. I have to say 100% of the problems that you are having right now could have been prevented if you spent time reading the posts on here that people spend time writing on. Look for the post that are comprehensive and long. Those novels that people wrote in here are very helpful in preventing problems like what you are going through. It sounds like you didn't read this group's post before you arrived because the topics have been beaten to death over and over in here. Be prepared to run into more problems because a lot of things work differently there. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808698]So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.

To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.

I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait. The waiting is slow so I go upstairs to floor 3 (floor 4 in north american) and I order a wrap. Once again I am issued a number so I sit and wait again, and I people-watch to pass the time. I see lots if beautiful women and I also see a 12 year old girl wearing one of those sexy underboob shirts and I am disturbed. I get my wrap and it is decent. I go back downstairs and Vivo is now ready to help me. As soon as they figure out I'm a foreigner they ask for my passport and obviously I don't have it on me because everybody I talked to told me to only carry what I needed in Brazil. I have to go back to my hotel but I have no cash so I need to find another shitty ATM. There are no atms in the mall so I have to across the street. Banco Santander does not accept my debit card so I go across another street to Bradesco. They are offering an exchange rate 11% under market rate and a $20 fee. This also sucks but it's the best so far. I get more cash and I'm finally headed back to my hotel, but no Uber this time since there's no wifi. Turns out taxis are almost twice as expensive as Uber.

By the time I get back to my hotel, pick up my passport, go back to the mall and get my sim card set up, it's already been 8 hours since my plane landed. I'm jet-lagged and tired as fuck and I'm secretly hoping that half the mall staff die in a fire because the firefighters can't tell what floor they're on. I'm too tired and frustrated to do anything else that day.

If anybody here is going to be a first time visitor to Brazil, please learn from my mistakes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809046]My mistake to offer advice unsolicited.[/QUOTE]It's only a mistake if you fail to clarify your point. Mongers conducting research need clear concise information, not generic cliches labeled as advice.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2809209]It's only a mistake if you fail to clarify your point. Mongers conducting research need clear concise information, not unsolicited generic cliches.[/QUOTE]I am passing alone my experience the first night I was there with 2 other ISGers and trying to tamper newbies' expectation so the new members can have better experience. The point is simple. Keep your expectation low so it is easier to be met and one will be more satisfied. My guess is that you misunderstood what I was saying and talking about Colombia, maybe somehow thinking I was comparing but that is nowhere near what I said.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809214]I am passing alone my experience the first night I was there with 2 other ISGers and trying to tamper newbies' expectation so the new members can have better experience. The point is simple. Keep your expectation low so it is easier to be met and one will be more satisfied. My guess is that you misunderstood what I was saying and talking about Colombia, maybe somehow thinking I was comparing but that is nowhere near what I said.[/QUOTE]My point is simple, "lower your expectations" is not advice unless you clarify HOW and to WHAT regards it needs to be lowered. Does a person need to expect 100 girls instead? 80? Bad attitudes? Bad English? Fat and ugly women? Covered blowjob? My guess is that you always offer unsolicited advice, but fail to scratch beyond the surface.

Again, you offered unsolicited generic input to my post and labeled it as advice, not me. I didnt ask you anything, my post was for another users trip repot.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2809216]...unless you clarify HOW and to WHAT regards it needs to be lowered. ....[/QUOTE]I think you are not as experienced as you said and come here to argue.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2808825]... In this case, you may disappoint if you are expecting 200 as common occurrence.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809218]I think you are not as experienced as you said and come here to argue.[/QUOTE]I came here for information for my trip to Sao Paulo, the last on my global mongering checklist. I asked a simple question to someone, and you provided an unsolicited response of “lower your expectations of 200” without explaining what number it should be.

So, what number should it be? 100? 50? If I’m going to spend thousands to travel there, and you're offering unsolicited advice, I think I should know. You're clearly not experienced with providing good unsolicited advice.

Attached is me with pornstar Lauren Phillips (I’ve been with plenty of others). You don’t get to that level of “experience” without knowing how to get good information, and blocking out all the useless information.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;2809222]As the saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished. ".[/QUOTE]
As the saying goes, “If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.”

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809218]I think you are not as experienced as you said and come here to argue.[/QUOTE]As the saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished. ".

I was in SP for the first time two weeks ago. I had read the reports about Scandallo from SocratesNY and decided to check it out. I went several times, both daytime and late evening. It is as Socrates says, a very high-end establishment with many well-dressed women in many shapes and sizes. I read carefully through the positive and negative reports in this forum, developed and expectation, which was largely met. It is high-end mongering and not cheap. If you are on a tight budget, you will be frustrated. The cost to get in is 500 after 7 pm, and the barfine is 300. So we are talking 800, about US $160, in just overhead, although some of that can be used for alcohol and food. You start to party with a girl, the overhead may be much more. During daytime there may be 30 gals. Evenings I'd guess 150. The club itself is class. Absolutely beautiful with great decor, sound system, wait staff, and food. The club is huge with many large spaces. I particularly like the large garden space.

I like slender spinners. I am not into oversized bunda and tits. Most of the ladies were too big and not doable. But oversized and fake is the trend worldwide. Seems many guys like it,. You have to go to Asia to find mostly natural thin bodies, and even there they are on the decline. But 10% were very attractive. I had a fantastic time with several of them. Partied heavily with one of them on two occasions. About half of them wanted to do CBJ, and about half of those could be talked out of it. But that is not an issue for me. The more attractive slender girls were expecting more money than the big bunda types.

Went to Helpe in Rio about 12 years ago. Would say that Helpe and Scandallo quality and quantity are comparable.

I love Thailand for its spinners and its topless hands-on gogo bars. It is also very safe and the food is great. I would rate Thailand above SP, and SP above Dubai / FKK / CR. But we all have our own personal preferences when it comes to body types, ambiance, safety and food. So your ranking may differ. I have not bee to Colombia, so cannot weigh in there.

One very positive thing about Scandalo is that none of the girls were the least perturbed by my age (60 year old white guy from Canada). In some of the bars in Thailand, some girls will only go with young Asian guys. But that is a minority of the girls. In most gogos and soi 6 bars, girls will go with anyone. Also, the Latina can be very special. High energy and emotional, which can be great fun.

When are you leaving?

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2808893]I don't think I've ever been given this option. M
..... I'm going to spend a minimum of $2000.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CanadaWet;2809246]I was in SP for the first time two weeks ago. I had read the reports about Scandallo from SocratesNY and decided to check it out. I went several times, both daytime and late evening. It is as Socrates says, a very high-end establishment with many well-dressed women in many shapes and sizes.
[/QUOTE]Excellent and informative report of Scandallo, thank you for explaining exactly how many girls we can expect on average, what time to expect them, services requested, looks, and comparisons to other mongering places such as Dubai and Thailand. I've already been to Germany FKK Sharks and Oase, as well as Walking Street in Pattaya Thailand, and Red Square in Dubai, so I wanted to give Brazil a shot to try something new.

Your number or 150 WGs in Scandallo as well as ranking above Dubai, plus the reports I've seen of Cafe Photo and Casaro, indicates to me that my plan for SP will indeed be worth it and not regretful. Thank you again for this helpful and informative report.

First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs.

I didn't think I'd need to rehash some of these details, but literally a few posts down, some BMs were struggling with some practical issues. Here's how I approached them:

RTFF, I read about 100 pages of SP & Rio and the Reports of Distinction. If you have questions, probably have better ones if you sort of get what the different places are about and different BM's styles of the hobby. I wanted to get a broad view of the scene as I was solo for this one.

CPF: Took 2 business days to get it. Free and online, no reason not to get as Brazil is notorious for the difficulty in getting a SIM "chip" card w / o a CPF. No tax implications unless you become a resident or overstay (verify this info for yourself).

Flight: coming overnight from the great white north is definitely not my preference, but I wanted to not waste time and flew direct (but likely will fly daytime connections via Colombia layovers in the future).

Airport Wifi / ATMs: Free GRU wifi for Uber (I used eSim as below), but have to watch a 20 second ad. Didn't grab cash, but lots of combo 24 HR machines (probably with high fees). Had backup USD cash on hand for emergencies (make sure crisp and clean otherwise cambios won't deal).

Hotel: Mercure SP Ibirapuera Privilege. Definitely in the flight path and noisy, but didn't bother me after a few days, although would probably stay out of "the path" (as Bearsi posted), in the future. GF friendly as far as I could tell (they mention a guest fee of approx 100 BRL, but I was able to bring a lady over directly to the elevator a few times, but she didn't stay overnight), I didn't like the included breakfast. Thanks to SocratesNY for setting me straight on the GF priority (I had initially booked a nice place but wasn't GF friendly, which is rare in SP). Decent Wifi and clean. Used self-serve laundry.

Cash / ATMs / Credit Cards: walked over to the Bradesco or Santander and they didn't give a conversion option (maybe a CAD thing), but the exchange rate was consistently 2. 5% lower than market rate. I got charged the classic 1 time fee (20 BRL) as I do anywhere that's not my bank brand. Took out 2000/2500 BRL at a time. One surprise was that 2 of my 3 CCs generally did not work anywhere. That's probably the biggest gotcha (I didn't carry all my CCs at once and the banks / CC insisted no issues with card). I always tried to have 2000 BRL cash on hand to mitigate.

Sim: Vivo from the mall (3. 50 BRL+plan), they were really friendly even though I don't speak Porto. But definitely give yourself time as set up takes forever (and for some reason they couldn't figure out long distance) and their system went down, so I had to return the next day. Apparently this plan doesn't expire. Pay as you go.

ESim: I use Airolo (a bit expensive) for first time country visits to avoid dealing with lack of data. Backup is roaming with my telecom provider. Google FI doesn't work in CAD unfortunately (some border town folks have gotten it to work). I generally set esim on iPhone to low data mode and never really have issues.

Uber: From GRU airport to Moema, approx 75 min at noon time to Mercure Moema Privilege (30 min in the middle of the night). Only used Uber throughout the trip, pretty inexpensive, but as many have mentioned, sometimes takes a while for UberX. Use Black if in a rush.

Sao Paulo. I really liked the vibe, I guess I'm a big city kinda guy. Never felt any sort of danger, but didn't walk around late at night on my own. I enjoyed the park, all the great coffee shops and restaurants. Locals were really friendly even for my non-Porto. I always had my canned Portuguese lines and Gtranslate ready and this was never an issue.

Wingman:

I met up with WonderWhy a couple of times during the trip and I was joking that I'm not really a checklist guy, but I did try a little bit of everything (other than PA / Online GPS). Good guy to chill with and share stories.

Girls:

After going to Vivo, I started the trip at Clinica Prime (av Irai, 511). So not really having met too many Brazilian women before, I wasn't sure what to expect, as so many have mentioned the famous bunda. Like Axel mentioned also recently, I really like the ladies on the taller side and slim / natural. I wasn't disappointed, ha. Fernanda was at the desk and went over everything, and called for a presentation. There were a few other guys in and out of the lobby, so didn't feel rushed at all. There were at least 3 spinner types that I liked, but ended up going with Agatha (so hard to remember the other many names on little sleep). Guessing 5'5"/115 lbs brunette morena clara with some gravity defying "be" to "see" cups. Pretty good session, soft lips for kissing, DATY / BJ and generally pretty chill. 1 HR, 250 BRL. Clinica, check. Also could have gone with Gabriela, curly hair brunette, pretty and good service according to gp-guia (didn't do extensive research beforehand there).

Next day was checking out some sites / food and messaged WW and he happened to be staying nearby. We grabbed a drink and he took me to Tangara. Was a Saturday afternoon and it was packed, so many guys. Ended up not sessioning and WW had to meet his overnight.

Napped and around midnight headed to Casarao (R Augusta, 791). Grabbed my bar tab card (50 BRL entry) and walked around. To be honest, I haven't been in a night club environment in a long time. It was too loud in the dance floor area, but the back hall / lounge and downstairs smoking / bar / booths were more my speed. Probably 80-100 girls and lots of guys. It got pretty packed, so I just hung out on the corner just before the back lounge area to watch girls move around for a while to get a good look. Had a few girls approach, but the ladies were not aggressive. Overall I probably saw 5 girls that I was interested in that night. One pretty morena (in a spangly gymnasty outfit) only did CBJ for 500 BRL, another would only stay 3 hrs for 1000 BRL and not overnight, one tiny branca was pursued before I could get to talk to her (but didn't see her again). There was a bubbly tall moreno with big hair and energy, but she didn't really seem into me, so didn't really pursue (also has bigger T&A than I usually like).

Around 2:30 am landed on Gaby, a super slim morena from Rio (said she comes every so often for the last 2 years). She was dancing with a friend and could definitely move her hips. Had to grab her dancing and after we met, she went straight to the bar for a drink (red flag? Danced / hugged for a while with her butt up against me for quite a while with our drinks. Eventually went downstairs to talk. She wanted 600 BRL per HR (and wouldn't do overnight), ended up countering and went for 500 BRL. Now for the waiting: time lining up to exit (about 30 minutes, ended up with a 200 BRL tab), and then next door another 45 minutes of her sitting on my lap in the hotel lobby waiting for the room (50 BRL? As an aside, she was definitely more conservative than other girls (in dress and demeanor). For instance, in one of the booths downstairs, a guy with bottles literally had a girls boobs out and was massaging them pretty aggressively. In the hotel lobby, one of the girls was basically naked coming down the stairs and probably drunk / high and fell into the couple beside us. When we got to the room, cleaned up and finally time for action. She was potentially the smallest lady I have ever been with. 5'2", maybe 80-85 lbs, "be" cups, pretty smile with a nice cushy bum. I started with a massage (or rather continued as we were body to body for almost 1. 5 hrs already). Not ultra passionate, but definitely more of a massage girl experience in terms of movement (if that makes sense). Good DATY / BJ. Once she got on top, it was an amazing view and she turned on the sultry. Good session, no rush. Got back to the hotel at approx 6:30 am and I was pretty exhausted. Boate, check. It was pretty wild on the streets at 6am, but wasn't dangerous per se. Just a lot of drunken party people. I did accidentally get in the wrong Uber, luckily didn't get in a fight with the other guy ha.

Woke up super late and checked out Ibirapuera park. Some nice eye candy going on runs or other activities. There was an event going on and I couldn't get an Uber until I walked about 20 min away. Crazy traffic. Met up again with WW again at Clinica Yankin (R. Dr. Jos de Queirs Aranha, 148). This place isn't mentioned too much, but I would describe it as split into 2 halves: When you ring in, the left room is a longer room with the "reception" and a whole bunch of couches to meet the ladies during the presentation. The other half is more squarish with a bar and tables and chairs. More on this as we ended up leaving to grab food.

Seeking: Was registered for a few years, but decided to check out the membership for messaging ability. Got a discount code ($87 USD for 30 days) and fired it up a couple of weeks before landing. Thanks Steve 9696 for the no-nonsense guidance via PM (if you're into great novel / Penthouse letters, give his, DramaFree, Elvis and others' Seeking reports a read). This is all down to personal style how you like to experience the ladies. I have been to FKKs and smashed 6 girls in an evening, but definitely not my speed any more (but not due to age / fitness LOL). I definitely prefer longer dates and no rush in the bedroom w / some chemistry. There is literally something for everyone here. Obviously photos can be generous (much like agencies / online) and you have to usually take the worst angle / photo and make that your expectation. Won't go into too much mechanics as others have good guidance there. A pretty brunette branca with fake T&A wanted 2 k BRL!! For a session after some dinner / drinks, some other younger types were asking 900 BRL with some restrictions. Messaged a few really pretty negras, but didn't get that far in the conversation. I wasn't specifying too strict of a time, generally a few hours and see how things go. I ended up messaging a branca gamer / anime girl, who responded on Whatsapp when WW and I were eating (my other option was a pretty ruiva MILF). Long story short, it was a rollercoaster. Did a video chat and got a good vibe. She wanted cash (900 BRL), but also a gift and then later, eventually wanting help fixing her phone. I know this sounds crazy and most would not want to deal with this. But I went with the flow (I'll probably post a long version in the Seeking thread) and be / see she was super late (from far out of the city), we couldn't even address the phone cost estimate as I didn't commit (we got to the mall just at closing, but everything had closed hours earlier, which I figured would happen). But, I convinced her to check out a love hotel with me (and basically an overnight). As she moved the target, so did I, LOL. Seeking check, Pernoite check, love hotel, girlfriend-esque drama, check ha.

Euphoria Motel: downloaded the guiademoteis app (good map function and last minute deals, IE book just before arriving) and got a hidro room for under 200 BRL for 12 hrs. Had a slight issue checking in (because I registered under my stage name and it didn't match my passport copy haha, also make sure girl has ID). Also, the room's jacuzzi / hidro wasn't working (like an HR into it), but got switched to a smaller but functional room. It was fun to check out (they even have BDSM stuff), but we ended up sort of freezing our butts off after the action (hotel gave us an extra sheet, but no blankets available and I wasn't really planning overnight). Could have used the hair dryer WonderWhy, LOL.

Anyway, to the action. Gamer girl came dressed in a school girl outfit (conservative as I requested) with small blinking LED headphones and edgy makeup, wherever we went she got looks. 5'6", 90 lbs natural "be" cups. Great experience. Endless kissing, soft mouth BJ, DATY, digits, etc. Man, she could ride. I don't think any girl has ridden me cowgirl this long, ever. Different hip movements, varying the tempo / speed. I recall in some of the threads some guys either not being able to finish or finishing too quickly as being "problems" in this hobby. I think with Vitamin see (tadalafil), I enjoyed this never ending ride immensely. Each session, she must have rode me for at least 40 minutes straight in cowgirl with an intense stare, tons of kissing (amongst other positions), no complaints. Soft moans, she had a different sex voice for sure ha. Ended up face smashing with CIMSW. The next morning, grabbed breakfast / coffee and figured out the rest of the "deal" as we went along. Once we figured out some of the other stuff, could have cut her loose with some cash, but ended up getting her the gifts / fix phone and ended up being a 24 HR thing. No regrets, but would definitely do things differently. Even though it sounded like she was a shark, she was lovely and it was super IOP / girlfriend (her English is quite good) and went all over town to explore, drink / eat and smash more. I would probably take her to some beach area where P4 P is lacking and make a multi-day deal in the future. Or, grab another (so many options, Seeking or otherwise). Hopefully after the Porto lessons (from Mr E's youtube teacher), when I return, will be passable and be able to enjoy with more girl options.

Next day, returned to Clinica Yankin. While the lineup may not be as subjectively good as Prime, I enjoyed drinking and hanging out there. I even did work stuff. I was tempted to do a Zoom training while getting action, but even I have my limits to the shenanigans ha. Anyhow, I was enjoying hanging out with the ladies & Patricia came along and was short on battery. I had a bank and lent it to her. Morena, cute with braces, but not my fave body / type (probably 5'5", 135). She was sweet to chat with and we actually had a lot of good laughs. So the downside, she was only the 2nd girl to only offer CBJ & no DATY. Ouch. Went for a session anyway and it was it was pretty intense. Good DFK, CBJ (ok), didn't match rhythms so well on sex. So ended up doing a lot of DFK while she was stroking me and I was eventually putting my fingers everywhere. Didn't finish, but had a good time. 1 HR 190 BRL.

Overall, had a blast, was going to check out Rio for a few days with WW, but plans changed for both of us. I was actually going to go to Scandallo after one of my dinners, but life happens. Will add it to the ongoing checklist! Thanks also to Jimmy Boy 99 for getting me on the WA group for Rio (even though I couldn't make it).

Already convinced another wingman to go down, probably next winter. There are so many options day and night in Brazil, will have more action than I could possibly handle in couple of weeks.

After reading so many reports here and in the Colombia thread, Bog / MDE will probably be more layover visits than destinations for now.

F.

[QUOTE=Foolish;2809404]First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs. [/QUOTE]Good well written report, I found it a good read with lots of details. Look forward to your next report.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2809362]Excellent and informative report of Scandallo, thank you for explaining exactly how many girls we can expect on average, what time to expect them, services requested, looks, and comparisons to other mongering places such as Dubai and Thailand. I've already been to Germany FKK Sharks and Oase, as well as Walking Street in Pattaya Thailand, and Red Square in Dubai, so I wanted to give Brazil a shot to try something new.

Your number or 150 WGs in Scandallo as well as ranking above Dubai, plus the reports I've seen of Cafe Photo and Casaro, indicates to me that my plan for SP will indeed be worth it and not regretful. Thank you again for this helpful and informative report.[/QUOTE]I also went to Casarao on a Sunday night. Maybe 60 girls at midnight. Probably much more on Friday and Saturday. I didn't like it, primarily because the music was much to loud. Girls on average were a notch or two down from Scandallo. They had a girl pole dancing naked. Some guy brought his civilian bi-girlfriend, and she jumped on stage and briefly stripped. She was probably the hottest in the club. Very few if any foreigners in there, no English spoken. In the end I left empty handed. But can see how many guys would enjoy the place.

I think Brazil has Esimn service now. We can probably do everything online and sign up online.

On seeking I noticed that The older They are starting from upper 20 to like 40's They ask a lot. Like an Absurd amount.

I think that could be Blankets in one of the closets of those motels. Did you check?

[QUOTE=Foolish;2809404]First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs.

I didn't think I'd need to rehash some of these details, but literally a few posts down, some BMs were struggling with some practical issues. Here's how I approached them:

RTFF, I read about 100 pages of SP & Rio and the Reports of Distinction. If you have questions, probably have better ones if you sort of get what the different places are about and different BM's styles of the hobby. I wanted to get a broad view of the scene as I was solo for this one.

CPF: Took 2 business days to get it. Free and online, no reason not to get as Brazil is notorious for the difficulty in getting a SIM "chip" card w / o a CPF. No tax implications unless you become a resident or overstay (verify this info for yourself).

Flight: coming overnight from the great white north is definitely not my preference, but I wanted to not waste time and flew direct (but likely will fly daytime connections via Colombia layovers in the future).

Airport Wifi / ATMs: Free GRU wifi for Uber (I used eSim as below), but have to watch a 20 second ad. Didn't grab cash, but lots of combo 24 HR machines (probably with high fees). Had backup USD cash on hand for emergencies (make sure crisp and clean otherwise cambios won't deal).

Hotel: Mercure SP Ibirapuera Privilege. Definitely in the flight path and noisy, but didn't bother me after a few days, although would probably stay out of "the path" (as Bearsi posted), in the future. GF friendly as far as I could tell (they mention a guest fee of approx 100 BRL, but I was able to bring a lady over directly to the elevator a few times, but she didn't stay overnight), I didn't like the included breakfast. Thanks to SocratesNY for setting me straight on the GF priority (I had initially booked a nice place but wasn't GF friendly, which is rare in SP). Decent Wifi and clean. Used self-serve laundry.

Cash / ATMs / Credit Cards: walked over to the Bradesco or Santander and they didn't give a conversion option (maybe a CAD thing), but the exchange rate was consistently 2. 5% lower than market rate. I got charged the classic 1 time fee (20 BRL) as I do anywhere that's not my bank brand. Took out 2000/2500 BRL at a time. One surprise was that 2 of my 3 CCs generally did not work anywhere. That's probably the biggest gotcha (I didn't carry all my CCs at once and the banks / CC insisted no issues with card). I always tried to have 2000 BRL cash on hand to mitigate.

Sim: Vivo from the mall (3. 50 BRL+plan), they were really friendly even though I don't speak Porto. But definitely give yourself time as set up takes forever (and for some reason they couldn't figure out long distance) and their system went down, so I had to return the next day. Apparently this plan doesn't expire. Pay as you go.

ESim: I use Airolo (a bit expensive) for first time country visits to avoid dealing with lack of data. Backup is roaming with my telecom provider. Google FI doesn't work in CAD unfortunately (some border town folks have gotten it to work). I generally set esim on iPhone to low data mode and never really have issues.

Uber: From GRU airport to Moema, approx 75 min at noon time to Mercure Moema Privilege (30 min in the middle of the night). Only used Uber throughout the trip, pretty inexpensive, but as many have mentioned, sometimes takes a while for UberX. Use Black if in a rush.

Sao Paulo. I really liked the vibe, I guess I'm a big city kinda guy. Never felt any sort of danger, but didn't walk around late at night on my own. I enjoyed the park, all the great coffee shops and restaurants. Locals were really friendly even for my non-Porto. I always had my canned Portuguese lines and Gtranslate ready and this was never an issue.

Wingman:

I met up with WonderWhy a couple of times during the trip and I was joking that I'm not really a checklist guy, but I did try a little bit of everything (other than PA / Online GPS). Good guy to chill with and share stories.

Girls:

After going to Vivo, I started the trip at Clinica Prime (av Irai, 511). So not really having met too many Brazilian women before, I wasn't sure what to expect, as so many have mentioned the famous bunda. Like Axel mentioned also recently, I really like the ladies on the taller side and slim / natural. I wasn't disappointed, ha. Fernanda was at the desk and went over everything, and called for a presentation. There were a few other guys in and out of the lobby, so didn't feel rushed at all. There were at least 3 spinner types that I liked, but ended up going with Agatha (so hard to remember the other many names on little sleep). Guessing 5'5"/115 lbs brunette morena clara with some gravity defying "be" to "see" cups. Pretty good session, soft lips for kissing, DATY / BJ and generally pretty chill. 1 HR, 250 BRL. Clinica, check. Also could have gone with Gabriela, curly hair brunette, pretty and good service according to gp-guia (didn't do extensive research beforehand there).

Next day was checking out some sites / food and messaged WW and he happened to be staying nearby. We grabbed a drink and he took me to Tangara. Was a Saturday afternoon and it was packed, so many guys. Ended up not sessioning and WW had to meet his overnight.

Napped and around midnight headed to Casarao (R Augusta, 791). Grabbed my bar tab card (50 BRL entry) and walked around. To be honest, I haven't been in a night club environment in a long time. It was too loud in the dance floor area, but the back hall / lounge and downstairs smoking / bar / booths were more my speed. Probably 80-100 girls and lots of guys. It got pretty packed, so I just hung out on the corner just before the back lounge area to watch girls move around for a while to get a good look. Had a few girls approach, but the ladies were not aggressive. Overall I probably saw 5 girls that I was interested in that night. One pretty morena (in a spangly gymnasty outfit) only did CBJ for 500 BRL, another would only stay 3 hrs for 1000 BRL and not overnight, one tiny branca was pursued before I could get to talk to her (but didn't see her again). There was a bubbly tall moreno with big hair and energy, but she didn't really seem into me, so didn't really pursue (also has bigger T&A than I usually like).

Around 2:30 am landed on Gaby, a super slim morena from Rio (said she comes every so often for the last 2 years). She was dancing with a friend and could definitely move her hips. Had to grab her dancing and after we met, she went straight to the bar for a drink (red flag? Danced / hugged for a while with her butt up against me for quite a while with our drinks. Eventually went downstairs to talk. She wanted 600 BRL per HR (and wouldn't do overnight), ended up countering and went for 500 BRL. Now for the waiting: time lining up to exit (about 30 minutes, ended up with a 200 BRL tab), and then next door another 45 minutes of her sitting on my lap in the hotel lobby waiting for the room (50 BRL? As an aside, she was definitely more conservative than other girls (in dress and demeanor). For instance, in one of the booths downstairs, a guy with bottles literally had a girls boobs out and was massaging them pretty aggressively. In the hotel lobby, one of the girls was basically naked coming down the stairs and probably drunk / high and fell into the couple beside us. When we got to the room, cleaned up and finally time for action. She was potentially the smallest lady I have ever been with. 5'2", maybe 80-85 lbs, "be" cups, pretty smile with a nice cushy bum. I started with a massage (or rather continued as we were body to body for almost 1. 5 hrs already). Not ultra passionate, but definitely more of a massage girl experience in terms of movement (if that makes sense). Good DATY / BJ. Once she got on top, it was an amazing view and she turned on the sultry. Good session, no rush. Got back to the hotel at approx 6:30 am and I was pretty exhausted. Boate, check. It was pretty wild on the streets at 6am, but wasn't dangerous per se. Just a lot of drunken party people. I did accidentally get in the wrong Uber, luckily didn't get in a fight with the other guy ha.

Woke up super late and checked out Ibirapuera park. Some nice eye candy going on runs or other activities. There was an event going on and I couldn't get an Uber until I walked about 20 min away. Crazy traffic. Met up again with WW again at Clinica Yankin (R. Dr. Jos de Queirs Aranha, 148). This place isn't mentioned too much, but I would describe it as split into 2 halves: When you ring in, the left room is a longer room with the "reception" and a whole bunch of couches to meet the ladies during the presentation. The other half is more squarish with a bar and tables and chairs. More on this as we ended up leaving to grab food.

Seeking: Was registered for a few years, but decided to check out the membership for messaging ability. Got a discount code ($87 USD for 30 days) and fired it up a couple of weeks before landing. Thanks Steve 9696 for the no-nonsense guidance via PM (if you're into great novel / Penthouse letters, give his, DramaFree, Elvis and others' Seeking reports a read). This is all down to personal style how you like to experience the ladies. I have been to FKKs and smashed 6 girls in an evening, but definitely not my speed any more (but not due to age / fitness LOL). I definitely prefer longer dates and no rush in the bedroom w / some chemistry. There is literally something for everyone here. Obviously photos can be generous (much like agencies / online) and you have to usually take the worst angle / photo and make that your expectation. Won't go into too much mechanics as others have good guidance there. A pretty brunette branca with fake T&A wanted 2 k BRL!! For a session after some dinner / drinks, some other younger types were asking 900 BRL with some restrictions. Messaged a few really pretty negras, but didn't get that far in the conversation. I wasn't specifying too strict of a time, generally a few hours and see how things go. I ended up messaging a branca gamer / anime girl, who responded on Whatsapp when WW and I were eating (my other option was a pretty ruiva MILF). Long story short, it was a rollercoaster. Did a video chat and got a good vibe. She wanted cash (900 BRL), but also a gift and then later, eventually wanting help fixing her phone. I know this sounds crazy and most would not want to deal with this. But I went with the flow (I'll probably post a long version in the Seeking thread) and be / see she was super late (from far out of the city), we couldn't even address the phone cost estimate as I didn't commit (we got to the mall just at closing, but everything had closed hours earlier, which I figured would happen). But, I convinced her to check out a love hotel with me (and basically an overnight). As she moved the target, so did I, LOL. Seeking check, Pernoite check, love hotel, girlfriend-esque drama, check ha.

Euphoria Motel: downloaded the guiademoteis app (good map function and last minute deals, IE book just before arriving) and got a hidro room for under 200 BRL for 12 hrs. Had a slight issue checking in (because I registered under my stage name and it didn't match my passport copy haha, also make sure girl has ID). Also, the room's jacuzzi / hidro wasn't working (like an HR into it), but got switched to a smaller but functional room. It was fun to check out (they even have BDSM stuff), but we ended up sort of freezing our butts off after the action (hotel gave us an extra sheet, but no blankets available and I wasn't really planning overnight). Could have used the hair dryer WonderWhy, LOL.

Anyway, to the action. Gamer girl came dressed in a school girl outfit (conservative as I requested) with small blinking LED headphones and edgy makeup, wherever we went she got looks. 5'6", 90 lbs natural "be" cups. Great experience. Endless kissing, soft mouth BJ, DATY, digits, etc. Man, she could ride. I don't think any girl has ridden me cowgirl this long, ever. Different hip movements, varying the tempo / speed. I recall in some of the threads some guys either not being able to finish or finishing too quickly as being "problems" in this hobby. I think with Vitamin see (tadalafil), I enjoyed this never ending ride immensely. Each session, she must have rode me for at least 40 minutes straight in cowgirl with an intense stare, tons of kissing (amongst other positions), no complaints. Soft moans, she had a different sex voice for sure ha. Ended up face smashing with CIMSW. The next morning, grabbed breakfast / coffee and figured out the rest of the "deal" as we went along. Once we figured out some of the other stuff, could have cut her loose with some cash, but ended up getting her the gifts / fix phone and ended up being a 24 HR thing. No regrets, but would definitely do things differently. Even though it sounded like she was a shark, she was lovely and it was super IOP / girlfriend (her English is quite good) and went all over town to explore, drink / eat and smash more. I would probably take her to some beach area where P4 P is lacking and make a multi-day deal in the future. Or, grab another (so many options, Seeking or otherwise). Hopefully after the Porto lessons (from Mr E's youtube teacher), when I return, will be passable and be able to enjoy with more girl options.

Next day, returned to Clinica Yankin. While the lineup may not be as subjectively good as Prime, I enjoyed drinking and hanging out there. I even did work stuff. I was tempted to do a Zoom training while getting action, but even I have my limits to the shenanigans ha. Anyhow, I was enjoying hanging out with the ladies & Patricia came along and was short on battery. I had a bank and lent it to her. Morena, cute with braces, but not my fave body / type (probably 5'5", 135). She was sweet to chat with and we actually had a lot of good laughs. So the downside, she was only the 2nd girl to only offer CBJ & no DATY. Ouch. Went for a session anyway and it was it was pretty intense. Good DFK, CBJ (ok), didn't match rhythms so well on sex. So ended up doing a lot of DFK while she was stroking me and I was eventually putting my fingers everywhere. Didn't finish, but had a good time. 1 HR 190 BRL.

Overall, had a blast, was going to check out Rio for a few days with WW, but plans changed for both of us. I was actually going to go to Scandallo after one of my dinners, but life happens. Will add it to the ongoing checklist! Thanks also to Jimmy Boy 99 for getting me on the WA group for Rio (even though I couldn't make it).

Already convinced another wingman to go down, probably next winter. There are so many options day and night in Brazil, will have more action than I could possibly handle in couple of weeks.

After reading so many reports here and in the Colombia thread, Bog / MDE will probably be more layover visits than destinations for now.

F.[/QUOTE]

Wonderful report. It contained a lot to help others. I enjoyed meeting you and hope we can make it work to get together back down there again. Maybe do some touristing to other places.