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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2956368]My Prediction:
If the Yankees and Trump loses I will suck turds out of a sheep's asshole. If they win America will be great again and I will be shrouded in World Series Yankees merch.[/QUOTE]Where do you live that you have such easy access to sheep?
Or, rather, where sheep have such easy access to you.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2957186]Her website "platform" is a PR fluff piece and nothing more. Since she was installed as the presidential nominee of her Party in a palace coup after Biden's unbelievable debate performance, she no longer states what she believes in or what she really wants to accomplish because she knows the American people would not support her radical agenda. So her advisors first came up the basement strategy along with the Joy and Mamela campaign. That strategy failed horribly so Kamela is closing her campaign with "Trump is Hitler" ie let's hate half the country. So much for healing the country and bringing people together. LOL. AND she still has not given one single press conference. Her brief interview with Brett Baier was totaling amazing in that the woman would not or could not answer one single question.
So, I don't know where you are coming from with YOUR question, but if you don't know by now where Kamela baby stands on the Woke Issues of our times, here is a cliff note paragraph on the worst politician in modern times:.[/QUOTE]You ask where I am coming from? It seems that most Donald Trump supporters are really living in a fantasy world that they have built inside their head that has no resemblance to the actual world. Let's take gun control. You claim that severe restrictions on firearms are on the agenda. It hasn't happened yet in the past 4 years for various reasons, but now, you assert that it will happen somehow if Kamala Harris gets in, severe restrictions on firearms will be enacted. If you actually went an looked at her platform, you will be hard pressed to find any talk of gun control. So, please spell out for me the chain of events that will lead to this, and please spell out for me how you know this is what she wants. Recent events haven't been supportive of this belief that you hold.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2957185]One of my uber-Repub relatives has been playing this since Clinton.
- God help us all if Clinton.
- That'll be the end of us if Obama.
- We'll end up destitute if Biden.
The irony that she's still here and still living quite comfortable IN THE SAME COUNTRY somehow evades her. There's something about that fascinatingly "resilient" Republican brain that needs a major sociopsychological study. Perhaps more than one.[/QUOTE]I have been hearing how Dems will destroy the economy since JFK took over from Ike in the middle of Ike's 3rd Recession with Ike leaving behind one of the worst jobs creation records of any president.
We can only imagine the virulent, frothing at the mouth warnings in the early 1930's from Great Depression Herbert Hoover Repubs as FDR launched into one of the greatest American economic recovery eras in history. Yes, not only before we were dragged into WW2 but despite the drain on the economy caused by fighting and contributing to winning that honorable War.
Actually, Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction Repubs have been weeping, wailing and whining about FDR's New Deal For America ever since, long after anyone who was an adult during those years has died.
But the Repub obsession with repeatedly and historically failed Repub-style Supply-Side / Trickle-Down idiocy has been ongoing since Coolidge and Hoover created that sure fire One-Two-Punch knockout for the USA Economy and jobs creation.
Meanwhile, a Repub has never succeeded in besting the Dem on either side of his presidency on quality jobs creation and a Dem has never failed to best the Repub on either side of his presidency on quality jobs creation while both party candidates campaign on offering a superior plan to do so. Only the Dem has kept that promise whether it is Carter relative to Nixon / Ford and Reagan or Obama relative to Bush2 and Trump. And sure as hell it will be (and already is halfway there) Biden relative to Trump and whoever the next Repub will be in the future.
Yeah, ok, if the Dem takes over from the outgoing Repub exactly while millions of jobs are crashing into oblivion as so often happens but especially as it was in the case of Obama taking over from Bush2, naturally those millions of lost jobs in the first 2-3 months of the new Dem administration while he and whatever Dems are in Congress to help him pass the required recovery legislation, often for some godawful new and unprecedented Repub policy result failure no living person has ever encountered before, that Dem's jobs creation record will undeservedly suffer for it while the outgoing Repub who finally found and expoited his personal Once In 100 Years Repub Disaster and got out of Dodge just in time will benefit from it.
So we have to be aware of that and be realistic about it in our Dem vs Repub jobs creation assessments.
LOL. The hilarious part is how Mainstream Media just goes along with the Repub lie that their wonderful "cut taxes and make government smaller" economic philosophy has ever actually cost the American people 1 thin dime less in the wake of the predictable Great Repub Depression or Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction or ever made the USA government smaller once the necessary colossal recovery measures are put in place, typically when there is nothing but deficit spending available to accomplish it after the Repubs flushed all the ordinary budget revenue down the shitter.
That Repub policy and stewardship result is a pattern as solid and immutable over the past 100 years or so as night following day.
And all the while those Know Nothing / Do Nothing Repubs have the gall to slam the always far superior Dem Economic results while drooling over and over again over how to take over at those precise times so they can "turn this economy around" and flush all the Dem recovery, gains and improvements right down the Repub shitter again.
Just exactly as Trump is trying to do this very day, slamming Biden as "the worst President of All time" with "the worst economy" and how it is up to the electorate to put him / Trump back in power to Make America Great Again. Lolol.
The only thing Trump sees in an election win is a Get Out of Jail Free card and lots and lots and lots of free and idle time to play golf until the next opportunistic Once In 100 Years Repub Disaster comes along that he can botch, exacerbate and exploit if the American Electorate is careless and dumb enough to give him the chance:
From Fux News Murdoch's Wall Street Journal today.
[B]The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant.
Oct. 31, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059[/URL]
[QUOTE]Whoever wins the White House next week will take office with no shortage of challenges, but at least one huge asset: an economy that is putting its peers to shame.
With another solid performance in the third quarter, the U.S. has grown 2.7% over the past year. It is outrunning every other major developed economy (see original article or pne of the several reprints if necessary).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2956730]Nobody needs to download a tiny print file and scroll down forever to page 45 to look Figure 9 to know beyond a doubt how and why wages increased for ANYBODY in 2018 and 2019, which then continued into 2020 until Trump's Pandemic wiped out millions upon millions of jobs. In fact, one oight to be able to actually remember when these events and results were occurring contemporaneously since it wasn't even that long ago.
And it was not, could not possibly have been because Trump and his idiot Repubs' $2. 5+Trillion deficit adding Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was passed on the last business day of 2017.
Why?
Because the major beneficiaries of that Act, corporate CEOs, promised America even before it was passed, blessedly without a single Dem vote, that it would not inspire, encourage or cause them to expand their businesses or create jobs. Primarily, they were going to buy back their failed stock with the hot money windfall from that tax cut.
6 years later, the data proved they kept that promise.
An economic "stimulus" legislation that creates fewer jobs with it than without it does not require anyone to raise wages for anybody no matter how many Trillions it adds to the deficit.
No tiny print file, pages 1 thru 50 and all 9 figures are necessary to understand that.
However, RAISING the minimum wage does increase wages for millions and triggers wage increases further up the ranks as well.
Behold:
[B]CEOs suggest Trump tax cut may lift investors more than jobs.
Oct. 27, 2017[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/business/ceos-suggest-trump-tax-cut-may-lift-investors-more-than-jobs-idUSKBN1CV38R/[/URL]
[B]Six years later, more evidence shows the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act benefits U.S. business owners and executives, not average workers.
December 20, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://equitablegrowth.org/six-years-later-more-evidence-shows-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-benefits-u-s-business-owners-and-executives-not-average-workers/[/URL]
[B]Minimum Wages Rising In 20 States And Several Cities.
Dec. 20, 2018[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2018/12/30/681055793/minimum-wages-rising-in-20-states-and-several-cities[/URL]
[B]Low-wage workers saw the biggest wage growth in states that increased their minimum wage between 2018 and 2019.
March 4, 2020[/B]
[URL]https://www.epi.org/blog/low-wage-workers-saw-the-biggest-wage-growth-in-states-that-increased-minimum-wage-2018-2019/[/URL]
I have posted these reports before. I trust you are proficient at reading big bold black highlighted headlines, clicking on links and reading large print and fully substantiated reports. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Tooms, I wish I had more spare time to reply to your posts, honestly, but I don't right now. I have no problem with minimum wage increases, as long as they occur at the state and local level, and yes, I believe they increase wages for lower income workers. That's a good thing as long as it doesn't significantly lower employment. It doesn't make sense to set a federal minimum wage, which likely would be too low for San Francisco and too high for Jackson, Mississippi. However, increases in the minimum wage do not push up the median wage or average wage significantly, which is what I've quoted here.
Anything written on the TCJA in 2017, before the corporate tax cuts even took effect, is irrelevant.
I have not read the paper that's the subject of the "Equitable Growth" piece, but have scanned it. The first highlight the lead author mentions in his blog is "The tax cuts led to efficiency gains in the economy, as firms receiving larger tax cuts were more likely to increase their investment, labor demand, and profits. " Combine that with the NBER paper, and I'd ask why on God's Green Earth wouldn't you want to lower the federal corporate rate from 35%? The government ends up with more revenues in the medium to long term. An increase in investment and labor demand cited in your paper means more jobs and higher wages. The shareholders, like you indirectly, have higher profits, the majority of which they'll re-invest in the business. And consumers pay lower prices.
As to their conclusions, they're not necessarily inconsistent with the NBER paper. In the early years, there is a big drop off in the revenues from the corporate tax. In the short term, it wouldn't surprise me if a significant part of the tax savings went to higher dividends, buybacks and into the CEOs' pockets. But with time the firms ramp up their investments, hire more people, and pay more payroll taxes. The dividend payout ratio for the S&P 500 has gone from 46% in 2017 before the corporate tax rate took effect to 36% this year. That means the percent of profits the S&P 500 companies reinvested has gone from 54% to 64%. With time you have seen and will see more benefits accrue to lower wage employees (and consumers I'd add) as a result of the corporate cut, as implied by figure 9 in the NBER paper.
The economy during Biden's term is reaping the benefits from the corporate tax cut, more so than during Trump's term. Go back and look at Figure 9 in the NBER paper. The incremental employment taxes (which are a reflection of the level of employment and wages) have risen to around 12% of what corporate tax revenues would have been without the TCJA. That's up from 0% at 1/1/2018. And revenues from the corporate tax are forecasted to be higher than they would have been without the cut in 2028.
I don't see how anyone can argue that the USA corporate rate should not have been cut, especially considering that with the state income taxes added on, the US was the highest in the developed world. And I believe most knowledgeable Democrats agree with me. The Obama administration wanted to drop the federal corporate rate to 28%. That's what Harris and Biden have proposed too, 28%. The only people who want to go back to 35% are those on the far left of your party.
BS:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957264]There is only one candidate on any presidential party ticket that called Trump possibly "America's Hitler. ". That would be Trump's own VP pick [/QUOTE]Fact! [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0fglSeaYc&t=16s[/URL].
I don't know BKK BOB, maybe this video has been altered and did not really happen. Maybe it is right wing propaganda. HAHAHA. So, don't give us any more BS about Mamala's "joyful" campaign. Mamala is going down!
P.S. And did any of you lefties see Clinton talking about the Hamas War? Not Kunnt Clinton, Billy Boy, the last liberal president of the USA. Here is a direct quote of what Bill said out on the stump:
"I understand why young Palestinians and Arab Americans here in Michigan think too many people have died. I get that," he continued, adding that it was difficult to assess "how many (deaths) is enough to punish them (Hamas) for the terrible thing they did? The people there were the most pro-friendship with Palestine, the most pro-two-state solution of any of the Israeli community, were the ones right next to Gaza, and Hamas butchered them," Clinton lamented, referring to the Oct. 7, 2023, terror attack on southern Israel in which Hamas killed 1,200 people and kidnapped 250 others.
"What would you do if it was your family? And you hadn't done anything but support the homeland for the Palestinians and, one night, they come for you and slaughter the people in your village. ".
Holly crap cakes, Bill. You were not supposed to tell the truth to a bunch of Arab Michigan voters. Like I said, old Bill is the last liberal American President, and HIS Democrat Party no longer exists.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957334]I have been hearing how Dems will destroy the economy since JFK took over from Ike in the middle of Ike's 3rd Recession with Ike leaving behind one of the worst jobs creation records of any president.
We can only imagine the virulent, frothing at the mouth warnings in the early 1930's from Great Depression Herbert Hoover Repubs as FDR launched into one of the greatest American economic recovery eras in history. Yes, not only before we were dragged into WW2 but despite the drain on the economy caused by fighting and contributing to winning that honorable War.
Actually, Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction Repubs have been weeping, wailing and whining about FDR's New Deal For America ever since, long after anyone who was an adult during those years has died.
But the Repub obsession with repeatedly and historically failed Repub-style Supply-Side / Trickle-Down idiocy has been ongoing since Coolidge and Hoover created that sure fire One-Two-Punch knockout for the USA Economy and jobs creation.
Meanwhile, a Repub has never succeeded in besting the Dem on either side of his presidency on quality jobs creation and a Dem has never failed to best the Repub on either side of his presidency on quality jobs creation while both party candidates campaign on offering a superior plan to do so. Only the Dem has kept that promise whether it is Carter relative to Nixon / Ford and Reagan or Obama relative to Bush2 and Trump. And sure as hell it will be (and already is halfway there) Biden relative to Trump and whoever the next Repub will be in the future.
Yeah, ok, if the Dem takes over from the outgoing Repub exactly while millions of jobs are crashing into oblivion as so often happens but especially as it was in the case of Obama taking over from Bush2, naturally those millions of lost jobs in the first 2-3 months of the new Dem administration while he and whatever Dems are in Congress to help him pass the required recovery legislation, often for some godawful new and unprecedented Repub policy result failure no living person has ever encountered before, that Dem's jobs creation record will undeservedly suffer for it while the outgoing Repub who finally found and expoited his personal Once In 100 Years Repub Disaster and got out of Dodge just in time will benefit from it.
So we have to be aware of that and be realistic about it in our Dem vs Repub jobs creation assessments.
LOL. The hilarious part is how Mainstream Media just goes along with the Repub lie that their wonderful "cut taxes and make government smaller" economic philosophy has ever actually cost the American people 1 thin dime less in the wake of the predictable Great Repub Depression or Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction or ever made the USA government smaller once the necessary colossal recovery measures are put in place, typically when there is nothing but deficit spending available to accomplish it after the Repubs flushed all the ordinary budget revenue down the shitter.
That Repub policy and stewardship result is a pattern as solid and immutable over the past 100 years or so as night following day.
And all the while those Know Nothing / Do Nothing Repubs have the gall to slam the always far superior Dem Economic results while drooling over and over again over how to take over at those precise times so they can "turn this economy around" and flush all the Dem recovery, gains and improvements right down the Repub shitter again.
Just exactly as Trump is trying to do this very day, slamming Biden as "the worst President of All time" with "the worst economy" and how it is up to the electorate to put him / Trump back in power to Make America Great Again. Lolol.
The only thing Trump sees in an election win is a Get Out of Jail Free card and lots and lots and lots of free and idle time to play golf until the next opportunistic Once In 100 Years Repub Disaster comes along that he can botch, exacerbate and exploit if the American Electorate is careless and dumb enough to give him the chance:
From Fux News Murdoch's Wall Street Journal today.
[B]The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant.
Oct. 31, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bill-clinton-donald-trump-economy/2024/10/31/id/1186199/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/10/14/bill-clinton-laken-rileys-death-probably-wouldnt-have-happened-if-biden-harris-administration-properly-vetted-migrant/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2957362]Tooms, I wish I had more spare time to reply to your posts, honestly, but I don't right now. I have no problem with minimum wage increases, as long as they occur at the state and local level, and yes, I believe they increase wages for lower income workers. That's a good thing as long as it doesn't significantly lower employment. It doesn't make sense to set a federal minimum wage, which likely would be too low for San Francisco and too high for Jackson, Mississippi. However, increases in the minimum wage do not push up the median wage or average wage significantly, which is what I've quoted here.
Anything written on the TCJA in 2017, before the corporate tax cuts even took effect, is irrelevant.
I have not read the paper that's the subject of the "Equitable Growth" piece, but have scanned it. The first highlight the lead author mentions in his blog is "The tax cuts led to efficiency gains in the economy, as firms receiving larger tax cuts were[b] more likely to [/b]increase their investment, labor demand, and profits. " Combine that with the NBER paper, and[b] I'd ask why on God's Green Earth wouldn't you want to lower the federal corporate rate from 35%? The government ends up with more revenues in the medium to long term. An increase in investment and labor demand cited in your paper means more jobs and higher wages.[/b] The shareholders, like you indirectly, have higher profits, the majority of which they'll re-invest in the business. And consumers pay lower prices.
As to their conclusions, they're not necessarily inconsistent with the NBER paper. In the early years, there is a big drop off in the revenues from the corporate tax. In the short term, it wouldn't surprise me if a significant part of the tax savings went to higher dividends, buybacks and into the CEOs' pockets. But with time the firms ramp up their investments, hire more people, and pay more payroll taxes. [B]The dividend payout ratio for the S&P 500 has gone from 46% in 2017 before the corporate tax rate took effect to 36% this year. That means the percent of profits the S&P 500 companies reinvested has gone from 54% to 64%. With time you have seen and will see more benefits accrue to lower wage employees (and consumers I'd add) as a result of the corporate cut, as implied by figure 9 in the NBER paper.[/b]
[B]The economy during Biden's term is reaping the benefits from the corporate tax cut, more so than during Trump's term. Go back and look at Figure 9 in the NBER paper. [/b]The incremental employment taxes (which are a reflection of the level of employment and wages) have risen to around 12% of what corporate tax revenues would have been without the TCJA. That's up from 0% at 1/1/2018. And revenues from the corporate tax are forecasted to be higher than they would have been without the cut in 2028.
I don't see how anyone can argue that the USA corporate rate should not have been cut, especially considering that with the state income taxes added on, the US was the highest in the developed world. And I believe most knowledgeable Democrats agree with me. The Obama administration wanted to drop the federal corporate rate to 28%. That's what Harris and Biden have proposed too, 28%. The only people who want to go back to 35% are those on the far left of your party.[/QUOTE]Well, I don't think I have been arguing in favor of keeping the corporate tax rate anywhere exactly. Or any other detail as a stand alone. The point is everything depends on policy AND stewardship, there is no one or two magic panacea moves to achieve economic success as in "tax cuts and smaller government. ".
I see your "more likely to" quote or personal assessment here mirrors your "should" qualifier in your earlier post that included that NBER link.
Time and time again Supply-Side / Trickle-Down Repubs have sold us their agenda that way. "Should happen", "more likely to happen" and "implied" is precisely the way Supply-Side / Trickle-Down Repubs pitch their policy plans, sell them to the American people and then, once passed, March the country directly into the next Coolidge / Hoover Great Depression, Reagan Great Recession and so on. It sounds so easy and nice, doesn't it?
Unfortunately, even a cursory review of Dem vs Repub economic results solves any mystery about what ACTUALLY HAPPENS when they get their way vs the Dem alternative Repubs work so hard to denigrate and demonize.
Case in point on your question about a 35% corporate tax rate:
[B]History of taxation in the United States[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_taxation_in_the_United_States[/URL]#text=It%20 slowly%20 increased%20 to%2039.6,lowered%20 to%2021%25%20 in%202018.
[QUOTE]The United States' corporate tax rate was at its highest, 52.8 percent, in 1968 and 1969. [B]The top rate was hiked last in 1993 to 35 percent.[/b] Under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, the rate adjusted to 21 percent.[/QUOTE]Hiked to 35% in 1993 by Bill Clinton and his Dems without one single vote from a Repub because, according to them, it was so opposite to Ronald "Great Recession With 10%+ Unemplyment Rate For Ten Consecutive Months In His 2nd and 3rd Year In Office" Reagan. They ASSURED us that rate would destroy the USA Economy and Capitalism as the world knew and loved it, blood flowing in the streets, death and destruction everywhere, we're all going to die so run for your lives!
Which of course happened because Repubs are such economic experts and "better at handling the economy than Dems", right? Lololol. Absolutely NOT right.
Even despite Nude Grinbitch and his fellow Repubs' repeated efforts to crash the USA Economy, close down the government and undermine the immediate upward and positive trajectory from the Reagan / Bush "It's the economy, Stupid" underperformance to historic Dem economic expansion, growth and jobs creation just to prove their idiotic 1993 argument against it right, what immediately followed were the gains mentioned earlier in this sentence PLUS a budget surplus.
And that upward trajectory of gains and positive results began no later than mid 1994, long before Nude Grinbitch and his fellow Repubs won the November 1994 midterms because they had so effectively denigrated and demonized that Clinton / Dem economic stimulation recovery legislation and the tax rates in it.
Contrast that to the 1 million fewer jobs created in the next 2-3 years after the lowered rate under Trump, still showing no signs of that promised "greatest job president God ever created" and "maybe 6% GDP Growth rate" from it six years afterwards for the Trillions Trump added to the deficit to enjoy it.
In light of that prime but not the only historical example and all available evidence and easily observable reality, I would argue that the increased business investments by the S&P 500 companies were in response to and Biden's economy reaped the rewards of those 2018 and 2019 minimum wage increases mostly in Blue Cities and Blue States way above any piddling corporate tax rate cut on any metric by Repubs.
Those companies increased investment because greater demand for their product and services required them to do so. In the absence of greater demand, there is no other reason for them to do that simply because a Repub put extra money in the CEOs' pockets.
In short, Dem Demand-Side wins the day, never Repub Supply-Side.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2957362]Tooms, I wish I had more spare time to reply to your posts, honestly, but I don't right now. I have no problem with minimum wage increases, as long as they occur at the state and local level, ...
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[/QUOTE]Hmmm.....Why is that I wonder? Is your AI ChatGPT, holding out for higher wages and refusing to tell you the answers? (...kkkk!)
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957242]The high-profile Repub endorsements of Harris just keep flowing in:
[B]Arnold Schwarzenegger says he's voting for Kamala Harris in rare endorsements for former California governor.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/arnold-schwarzenegger-kamala-harris-endorsement-president/[/URL][/QUOTE]
From the "Terminator" to the Bush's, it seem more and more Repubs, are following that Liz Cheney permission structure and endorsing Harris for the WIN! The latest comes from, [i]"conservative royalty",[/i] a Bush, no less!
[QUOTE=The Daily Beast]Barbara Bush, 42, told People in a statement that it was inspiring to join friends and meet voters with the Harris-Walz campaign in Pennsylvania over the weekend, revealing that [b]she'd gone as far as campaigning for the Democratic ticket.[/b] Shes long supported progressive causes, but its the first time the conservative family scion has outright endorsed for a Democratic presidential candidate.
[URL]candidate.https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-w-bushs-daughter-barbara-issues-shock-endorsement-of-kamala-harris/[/URL][/QUOTE]
While Barbara Bush's, endorsement is not quite the same her father's, I'm willing to consider it, a G.W. Bush endorsement-adjacent, since he's probably not going to come out with one. But on the plus side, I hear the rest of the family (the women anyways) are voting for Harris/Walz.
Its a dirty business. And trump is found guilty?? There are no good candidates for presidency. It comes down to who throws the best mud and gets it to stick.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2957382][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bill-clinton-donald-trump-economy/2024/10/31/id/1186199/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/10/14/bill-clinton-laken-rileys-death-probably-wouldnt-have-happened-if-biden-harris-administration-properly-vetted-migrant/[/URL][/QUOTE]From your 1st link, if Trump uses this as a "talking point" for his side, he is more cognitively impaired and mentally unfit than anyone thought up to now. LOL:
[QUOTE]Clinton said the economy was already "roaring" when Trump got elected in 2016, thanks to the policies from former President Barack Obama's second term.
He's the best credit-claimer I've ever seen," Clinton said of Trump. "'The sun rose this morning, I did that. But it rained yesterday. If I had been president it never would have rained.' You've got to give it to the guy, he's really good at this."[/QUOTE]And on your 2nd link, increased funding and staffing for "proper vetting" was the central mission of the bi-partisan, Repub-led 2024 Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act that your top, Donnie Trump, killed and Harris has promised to sign and pass when the Dems take back the House from ChristoFascist Mike and his Repub Party of Government Shutdowns and Newfound Piety:
[URL]https://immigrationforum.org/article/border-security-and-asylum-reform-in-the-emergency-national-security-supplemental-appropriations-act-2024-bill-explainer/[/URL]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2957380]BS:
Fact! [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0fglSeaYc&t=16s[/URL].
I don't know BKK BOB, maybe this video has been altered and did not really happen. Maybe it is right wing propaganda. HAHAHA. So, don't give us any more BS about Mamala's "joyful" campaign. Mamala is going down!
P.S. And did any of you lefties see Clinton talking about the Hamas War? Not Kunnt Clinton, Billy Boy, the last liberal president of the USA. Here is a direct quote of what Bill said out on the stump:
"I understand why young Palestinians and Arab Americans here in Michigan think too many people have died. I get that," he continued, adding that it was difficult to assess "how many (deaths) is enough to punish them (Hamas) for the terrible thing they did? The people there were the most pro-friendship with Palestine, the most pro-two-state solution of any of the Israeli community, were the ones right next to Gaza, and Hamas butchered them," Clinton lamented, referring to the Oct. 7, 2023, terror attack on southern Israel in which Hamas killed 1,200 people and kidnapped 250 others..[/QUOTE]Where is the part where Harris calls Trump "a Hitler"? That was the historical figure you cited and said Harris called him that or compared him to Hitler when, as I clearly pointed out and proved, only Trump's VP pick, JayDee Vance, compared Trump to Hitler.
Not Harris and not Walz.
Harris only answered a question about whether or not Trump is a Fascist and, well, she had to answer truthfully as was verified by top Trump Administration officials who worked closely with him and knew him well.
I posted this already and think it is a much better video representation of Harris answering that question the only way any truthful person can than the video you linked for it:
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/10/jake-tapper-trolls-gop-leaders-feigned[/URL]
The description of this worthwhile video:
With less than a week to go, there's a lot of uncertainty with how this election will end. (Former Republican Party campaign strategist) Steve Schmidt sits down with award-winning writer and journalist Steven Beschloss to discuss the final week of the campaign and the future of America:
[URL]https://youtu.be/hE-ikR9dlo8?si=uyu4wx6V9ELKLWGJ[/URL]
I have never watched or heard either of these guys' blogs before. I knew who Steve Schmidt was, of course. But that is about it. I know he worked hard to sell us Sarah Palin. So now he is obviously trying to atone for the damage and harm he inflicted on the country in his previous career.
And if he thinks that #2 Trump campaign promise is unworkable and unnecessary nonsense, imagine what he thinks of Trump's #1 campaign promise to "close down the borders"!
LOL. As if Trump's Pandemic closures with empty streets, empty grocery market shelves and closed down restaurants for lack of staff wasn't bad enough. I'm sure this CEO can't wait to see what horrors Trump's border closure will do the the USA economy.
[B]Exxon CEO on election: Unsure 'how drill, baby, drill translates into policy'.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/exxon-ceo-says-us-election-wont-affect-oil-production.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]"Im not sure how drill, baby, drill translates into policy, Woods told CNBCs Squawk Box Friday after the largest U.S. oil and gas company reported third-quarter results.
Woods said U.S. shale production does not face constraints from external restrictions. The U.S. has produced record amounts of oil and gas during the Biden administration.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957520]Where is the part where Harris calls Trump "a Hitler"? That was the historical figure you cited and said Harris called him that or compared him to Hitler when, as I clearly pointed out and proved, only Trump's VP pick, JayDee Vance, compared Trump to Hitler.
Not Harris and not Walz.
Harris only answered a question about whether or not Trump is a Fascist and, well, she had to answer truthfully as was verified by top Trump Administration officials who worked closely with him and knew him well.
I posted this already and think it is a much better video representation of Harris answering that question the only way any truthful person can than the video you linked for it:
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/10/jake-tapper-trolls-gop-leaders-feigned[/URL][/QUOTE] If this isn't a case of, [i][b]"...the Bangkok pot, calling the Bangkok kettle, black" (...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[i][list]I'll never understood the need for hypocrite wingers, to pontificate about MAGA and [b]"woke"[/b] culture-wars nonsense, then turn-around and trifle in hypocritical name-calling, especially when they themselves (with all due respect you EihTooms), can be considered the [i][b]"OG Batty Bangkok Bobs (BBB)" (...kkkk!),[/b][/i] who've spent an inordinate amount of time mongering in Thailand, under a different "Slim Shady" nom de guerre, as it were. But that's wingers for you![/list][list]So will the real Bangkok (BKK) Bob "Slim Shady" please stand up?[/list][/i]But back to Trump is a fascist argument, and who said what. Yes, you have correctly, posted many times already, that Veep Harris, was only answering the question w/r to the General Milley's comments about him saying Trump is "fascist to the core". As MAGA tries to turn it into something it's NOT!
It is clear, that in the final days and home stretch to Nov 5th, the MAGA hordes are desperately trying to find anything to pin on Veep Harris, to be seen as detrimental, to what is a brilliantly and masterfully crafted campaign.
[b]Even a MAGA faithful,[/b] had to admit he was seeing a not just a campaign, but a [i][b]"Big Movement"[/b][/i] at play, with the Harris/Walz rallies, when he was taken to one, by Jordan Klepper of the Daily Show.
Meanwhile, all the time, bending over backwards to "sane washing", the "garbage" that comes outta Trump's mouth. But make no mistake about it, the DAMAGE IS DONE, that racist joke/comment about "Puerto Rico", is the final nail in the coffin for Trump.
Give me a fuckin' break. The Mamala Campaign openly slurred Trump's recent Madison Square Garden Rally by comparing it to the infamous 1939 Pro Nazi rally. They did not compare Trump's rally to FDR's rally in 1936 or 1940. They did not compare it to JFK's rally in 1962 with Marylyn Monroe. Now what don't you understand? Nazi refers to the National Socialist Party which was Hitler's party. Not Mussolini's party. Not Franco's party. Not a generic Fascist's party rally. You have to be either a blind idiot or a completely disingenuous individual to not get the point of the slur: Trump is Hitler.
But don't get me wrong. I love it that the Mamala campaign has turned into the We hate Trump Campaign. It is all she has and it is a sign that the campaign knows they are going to get creamed on Tuesday. Add to that the recent blunders on the Campaign trail and Biden's off the tracks rail that "Trump supporters are Garbage" and bingo: what everybody with eyes can see is a flailing band of incompetents and haters.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RRHGHLJHRU&t=3s[/URL]
And now it turns out that the Biden / Harris White House altered the official transcript of Biden's Remarks on Trump and 'Garbage'. It doesn't get any crazier or more incompetent that this. HAHAHA.
Meanwhile Trump is making fries at McDonalds and driving a garbage truck to a rally and answering reporter's questions. Brilliant and winning!
Congrats BKK Bob. You are back on my ignore list. I have had more intelligent conversations with my pet Macaw parrot. He does not try to bullshit me.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2957594]Give me a fuckin' break. The Mamala Campaign openly slurred Trump's recent Madison Square Garden Rally by comparing it to the infamous 1939 Pro Nazi rally. They did not compare Trump's rally to FDR's rally in 1936 or 1940. They did not compare it to JFK's rally in 1962 with Marylyn Monroe. Now what don't you understand? Nazi refers to the National Socialist Party which was Hitler's party. Not Mussolini's party. Not Franco's party. Not a generic Fascist's party rally. You have to be either a blind idiot or a completely disingenuous individual to not get the point of the slur: Trump is Hitler.
But don't get me wrong. I love it that the Mamala campaign has turned into the We hate Trump Campaign. It is all she has and it is a sign that the campaign knows they are going to get creamed on Tuesday. Add to that the recent blunders on the Campaign trail and Biden's off the tracks rail that "Trump supporters are Garbage" and bingo: what everybody with eyes can see is a flailing band of incompetents and haters.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RRHGHLJHRU&t=3s[/URL]
And now it turns out that the Biden / Harris White House altered the official transcript of Biden's Remarks on Trump and 'Garbage'. It doesn't get any crazier or more incompetent that this. HAHAHA.
Meanwhile Trump is making fries at McDonalds and driving a garbage truck to a rally and answering reporter's questions. Brilliant and winning!
Congrats BKK Bob. You are back on my ignore list. I have had more intelligent conversations with my pet Macaw parrot. He does not try to bullshit me.[/QUOTE]I heard Biden say it and I read the transcript of it.
Biden did not refer to anyone as "garbage. " Not even one person, much less "all" of Trump's supporters.
What I heard and what I read in the transcrpit was exactly the same:
"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter's his his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American. ".
My only quibble with the transcript is it sounded to me more like he said "this supporter's" (garbage) rather than "his supporter's" (garbage).
Either way, Biden was obviously referring to the message in the comedians joke being the "garbage" floating out there and not to the comedian himself or anyone else, further confirmed by his very next statement without so much as a breath between that one and the previous one, "His demonization of Latinos", Biden immediately clarifying that it is the comedian's "demonization" being of Latinos being the "garbage" he as referring to, not even that one person.
It couldn't be any simpler, more straight forward or more obvious. Not even if virulently pro Repub "Bothsider" Bill Maher does 10 minutes on every one of his weekly Repub Campaign Rally Hours repeating the lie that Biden called all of Trump's supporters "garbage".
Sorry. You're wrong. Again.
And on Trump being a Hitler-style of Fascist To The Core or not, you'll have to ask his VP pick JayDee Vance what he meant by calling Trump "possibly America's Hitler". .
Bear in mind that while it is true that all Nazis are Fascists it is not true that all Fascists are Nazis. Only Vance can clarify what he meant.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2957594]Give me a fuckin' break. The Mamala Campaign openly slurred Trump's recent Madison Square Garden Rally by comparing it to the infamous 1939 Pro Nazi rally. They did not compare Trump's rally to FDR's rally in 1936 or 1940. They did not compare it to JFK's rally in 1962 with Marylyn Monroe. Now what don't you understand? Nazi refers to the National Socialist Party which was Hitler's party. Not Mussolini's party. Not Franco's party. Not a generic Fascist's party rally. [/QUOTE]As far as I know:
- There weren't any Pro-Mussolini rallies in the US.
- There weren't any Pro-Franco rallies in the US.
Of course, there have been some "generic" (interesting choice of words, BTW) fascist rallies in the US, but they've been fringe rallies. The rallies decent people pay no mind to. Definitely, there haven't been any other pro-fascist, Nazi or neo-Nazi rallies attended by serious US politicians between 1939 and 2024. It's not the journalists' fault that the 1939 Nazi rally was the most comparable event to Trump's MSG rally in American history due to the abundant common traits between the two.
That said, it's not like your complaint about comparing Trump and Hitler doesn't hold water at all.
While there are lots of similarities:
- Both are racists.
- Both are psychopaths.
- Both are PRODIGIOUS liars.
- Both are narcissists.
- Both love power for power itself.
Hitler (unlike Trump):
- Was not a moron.
- Was not a man-child.
- Was not a crook.
- Was not an incessant whiner.
- Was a shrewd politician.
- Was a talented orator.
And most importantly:
- While Trump is evil, he's not an epitome of evil like Hitler.
Hence, this comparison between Hitler and Trump limps plenty as Italians would say. You're not wrong about that.
Still, judging how you just labeled your political opponents fascists the other day, I'm not buying your indignation.
The latest (30 sec) Dem TV ad, with Julia Roberts voice-over, in an that reminds women that their vote is their choice to make and theirs alone, and women can vote differently than their husbands, has Repubs literally losing their minds.
[b]Julia Roberts Reminds Us - Your Vote, Your Choice[/b]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCPck2qDhk[/url]
The message, that women have the autonomy and the right to make their own choices at the ballot box, against the wishes of their Trump/Repub voting husbands, was of course, just sacrilegious, to the right-wing INCEL, manosphere and the likes of Charlie Kirk's and Jessie Walters's, over in MAGA world, who are having a meltdown, that Dems would even suggest Repub conservative women, actually have a right to think for themselves. (...kkkk!)
[u]Underestimate the Women's VOTE, at your peril![/u]
But we've seen this same scenario play out, in the 2020 election and 2022 midterms, where women (both Dems and Repubs) are turning out in record numbers, to fight for their reproductive rights, [b] for themselves[/b], their mothers, their daughters, their sisters and their fellow women and [b]stand against Trump[/b], a chauvinistic, misogynistic, pussy-grabbing felon, who gleefully overturned 'Roe v. Wade' and is a women killer, responsible for the multiple deaths of women bleeding out and dying in parking lots and public bathrooms.
As I've said before come ROEvember, the women's vote, will be the deciding factor and the difference in a Harriz/Walz win!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957224]At this writing, not much has changed in the typically tightening Poll Consensus 6 days from election day.
The demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics' site shows it somewhat similar to most other poll aggregator sites except, predictably, a bit less positive for Harris than other more credible sites that don't pack their Consensus' with dog piles of Repub-paid polls.
Harris is only 0. 6 point in PA away from 270 Electoral College Votes and the win on that demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP site. See screenshots below.
[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states[/URL]
Harris is still a fraction of 1 point in PA away from 270 EC Votes and the win on the standard 538 Site and the 538 Who Is Favored To Win Site.
[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]
[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/[/URL]
Harris is still ahead in the National Polls and a fraction of 1 point in PA away from 270 EC Votes and the win on the 270 To Win State By State Site.
[URL]https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/[/URL]
And Harris is still ahead in the National Polls and at 270+ EC Votes on the Race To The White House Site.
[URL]https://www.racetothewh.com/president/polls[/URL]
BTW, this was before the [b]Trump Campaign Rally planned, scripted and telepromptered the "Puerto Rico is a Floating Island of Garbage" insult to the hundreds of thousands of Puerto Rican voters in PA alone, [/b]tried mightily to shift attention to a benign statement by Joe Biden to con the already pronoun-challenged MAGAs into misunderstanding what a possessive apostrophe is, as in "this supporter's. His demonization of", before the massive Biden and now Harris Ground Game does even more from now to election day and before we find out by just how many points the pollsters have been over-sampling likely Trump voters in the past couple of years as they told us they have been doing.[/QUOTE]
[b]900,000 Puerto Ricans Live in Swing States.[/b] Heres How One Is Responding to That Racist Joke.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/900-000-puerto-ricans-live-215336424.html
Inflammatory remarks made by comic Tony Hinchcliffe about Puerto Rico at a Donald Trump rally could resonate deeply with Puerto Rican voters across the U.S., particularly in critical swing states.
[u]Key Battleground Swing States:[/u]
[i][b]Map Shows Puerto Rican Population in Every State,[/b] updated Oct 29th, 2024[/i]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-puerto-rican-population-every-state-1975713[/URL]
State (2020 winning margin | Puerto Rican population)
Pennsylvania (80,555 | 486,213)
Nevada (33,596 | 27,230)
Arizona (10,457 | 64,738)
Michigan (154,188 | 43,381)
Wisconsin (20,608 | 61,437)
Georgia (11,779 | 100,923)
North Carolina (74,483 | 115,449)
[u]Puerto Rican voters, in other interesting election states:[/u]
CT - 4.3% of Connecticut
NY - Over 1 million in NY
FL - 1.2 million in Florida
MS - 4.7% of Massachusetts 326K
This is the other final nail in Trump's coffin, along with the women's vote, that seals the vampire sucking quid's tomb shut.
Nothing much has changed among the major poll aggregators as the polls are tightening as they usually do this close to election day;.
Harris is still at the winning 270 Electoral College Vote in Race To The White House, still only 0. 3 point at most in one state, PA, away from 270+ in 538 and 538 Who Is Favored To Win, 270 To Win and Nate Silver Bulletin. She is only 0. 4 point away from 270+ even in the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics poll aggregator.
Oh, and speaking of Nate Silver, he has at this late hour come to the conclusion that pollsters might, just might have been lowballing Harris all along considering one of the Gold Standard pollsters has today posted a poll showing Harris ahead of Trump by a whopping 3 points in the ruby red state of Iowa!
[B]Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day. Here's how.
The nationally recognized Iowa Poll shows Kamala Harris picking up support from women to surpass Donald Trump in a ruby-red state he has won twice.
Nov. 2, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Democrat Kamala Harris leads Donald Trump in Iowa 47% to 44%, a new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows.
A victory for Harris would be a shocking development after Iowa has swung aggressively to the right in recent elections, delivering Trump solid victories in 2016 and 2020.
The poll shows that women particularly those who are older or are politically independent are driving the late shift toward Harris.
Trump continues to lead with his core base of support: men, evangelicals, rural residents and those without a college degree.
......
Fewer than 1% say they would vote for Libertarian presidential candidate Chase Oliver, 1% would vote for someone else, 3% arent sure and 2% dont want to say for whom they already cast a ballot.
[/QUOTE]And I should probably mention in passing that the supposedly highest regarded of the Presidential Betting Markets, PredictIt, at this writing has Harris ahead of Trump by 8 points:
[URL]https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/02/upshot/democrats-trump-election.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2957844][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/02/upshot/democrats-trump-election.html[/URL][/QUOTE]From your link:
[QUOTE]How is Mr. Trump still so competitive? The simplest answer is that the national political environment just isnt as conducive to a Democratic victory as many might imagine.[/QUOTE]When will the NYT ask this question instead;.
Why can't the one candidate who knows better than anyone else how to exploit and capitalize on the still racially-polarized, misogynistic elements of American society and who is best equipped by decades of experience to sell shit as chocolate pudding to the dumbest Repub hillbillies in the country, another middle-aged or older White guy Donald Trump, been unable to come within 3,000,000 then 7,000,000 votes of winning the approval of the American Electorate and is now still within a normal +/-MoE of losing again even with typically pro Mainstream Media like the NYT working mightily to help him and his fellow America-hating Repubs get elected?
Trump must feel utterly humiliated that a woman of mixed minority ethnicity not only slaughtered him in the one debate he could not avoid and hide from in his basement, but is amazingly competitive in this election according to the polls and by many of the most intelligent readings of the polls and the early vote is on track to whip his fat butt like a rented mule.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957838]Nothing much has changed among the major poll aggregators as the polls are tightening as they usually do this close to election day;.
Harris is still at the winning 270 Electoral College Vote in Race To The White House, still only 0. 3 point at most in one state, PA, away from 270+ in 538 and 538 Who Is Favored To Win, 270 To Win and Nate Silver Bulletin. She is only 0. 4 point away from 270+ even in the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics poll aggregator.
Oh, and speaking of Nate Silver, he has at this late hour come to the conclusion that pollsters might, just might have been lowballing Harris all along considering one of the Gold Standard pollsters has today posted a poll showing Harris ahead of Trump by a whopping 3 points in the ruby red state of Iowa!
[B]Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day. Here's how.
The nationally recognized Iowa Poll shows Kamala Harris picking up support from women to surpass Donald Trump in a ruby-red state he has won twice.
Nov. 2, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/[/URL]
And I should probably mention in passing that the supposedly highest regarded of the Presidential Betting Markets, PredictIt, at this writing has Harris ahead of Trump by 8 points:
[URL]https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/nate-silver-pollsters-cheating/2024/11/01/id/1186344/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/02/poll-donald-trump-leading-kamala-harris-by-10-percent-in-iowa/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2957966][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/nate-silver-pollsters-cheating/2024/11/01/id/1186344/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/02/poll-donald-trump-leading-kamala-harris-by-10-percent-in-iowa/[/URL][/QUOTE]Of course anything could happen with the Real Clear Politics average of polls favoring Trump by a narrow margin in all the swing states, but this time around Trump is far ahead of the final polling in 2016 and 2020 plus the trend is going his way and he is ahead in the National poll as well which includes the broken state of CA. This election reminds me of Carter / Reagon 1980 when the polls were very close up until the last couple of weeks before the election and then they broke hard for Reagan as most Americans were finally fed up with Jimmy's brand of incompetence. Anybody remember Carter's misery index?
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2024/11/02/exclusive-rasmussen-head-pollster-predicts-trump-landslide-likens-to-1980-reagan-carter-election-major-political-realignment/[/URL]
And how about some Justice for Peanut!
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/02/trump-supporters-decry-death-of-peanut-the-squirrel-as-government-overreach/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957913]From your link:
When will the NYT ask this question instead;.
Why can't the one candidate who knows better than anyone else how to exploit and capitalize on the still racially-polarized, misogynistic elements of American society and who is best equipped by decades of experience to sell shit as chocolate pudding to the dumbest Repub hillbillies in the country, another middle-aged or older White guy Donald Trump, been unable to come within 3,000,000 then 7,000,000 votes of winning the approval of the American Electorate and is now still within a normal +/-MoE of losing again even with typically pro Mainstream Media like the NYT working mightily to help him and his fellow America-hating Repubs get elected? ... [/QUOTE]The article's headline title, is very politically telling, if not also bias, in its very hubris assumptions.
Make no mistake about it, [I][b]Donald Trump is mainly a Republican problem[/b][/I] and collectively speaking, is American's problem child.
Democrats ONLY job, is to provide their best candidate, they believe will beat the one candidate, Repubs place in front of them. Which they've done once already, in Joe Biden/Harris win and soon to be a second (2x) time, in a Harris/Walz win.
The fact that the Repubs, "set the bar so low", that a serial-liar, pussy-grabbing, indicted felon and 'Commander-in-Cheat', could easily jump over said "low bar", not once (1x), not twice (2x) but three times (3x), to take-over the party and destroy it, along with Republican so called conservative "values", their "moderate" candidates and the rest of gullible GOP/Repub Party.
It has NEVER been about Dems, but rather a Repub cautionary tale, of [I][b]how and inept Repub Party, couldn't beat Trump[/b][/I] and imploded and devolved, into in fascist 'MAGA' political party.
The question, rather should read, [I][b]"Why haven't the Republicans, been able beat Donald Trump?[/b] Why has it been so hard for Repubs to find a candidate with and higher IQ, with better moral Repub 'Conservative values', that loves America, abides by the Rule of Law, upholds The Constitution and American democracy?"[/I].
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2957966][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/nate-silver-pollsters-cheating/2024/11/01/id/1186344/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/02/poll-donald-trump-leading-kamala-harris-by-10-percent-in-iowa/[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone using Newsmax or Breitbart as a "source" doesn't understand the meaning of a "credible source".
[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2958052]Anyone using Newsmax or Breitbart as a "source" doesn't understand the meaning of a "credible source".[/QUOTE]And add FOX "News" to that.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957913]From your link:
When will the NYT ask this question instead;.
Why can't the one candidate who knows better than anyone else how to exploit and capitalize on the still racially-polarized, misogynistic elements of American society and who is best equipped by decades of experience to sell shit as chocolate pudding to the dumbest Repub hillbillies in the country, another middle-aged or older White guy Donald Trump, been unable to come within 3,000,000 then 7,000,000 votes of winning the approval of the American Electorate and is now still within a normal +/-MoE of losing again even with typically pro Mainstream Media like the NYT working mightily to help him and his fellow America-hating Repubs get elected?
Trump must feel utterly humiliated that a woman of mixed minority ethnicity not only slaughtered him in the one debate he could not avoid and hide from in his basement, but is amazingly competitive in this election according to the polls and by many of the most intelligent readings of the polls and the early vote is on track to whip his fat butt like a rented mule.[/QUOTE]Trump must feel utterly humiliated that a woman of mixed minority ethnicity not only slaughtered him lolol she didn't slaughter him, he was ambushed by the host you know the one that works for ABC.
She couldn't slaughter a cat, or maybe if she was hungry she could?
[URL]https://local12.com/news/nation-world/ohio-killed-cat-ate-eat-consume-witness-public-arrest-animal-abuse-murder-charged-jail-prison-woman-allegedly-and-it-in-front-of-neighbors[/URL]
[URL]https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-woman-arrested-after-eating-cat-canton-police-release-bodycam-footage-incident/530-3f8ac79a-cd97-4cee-9ed1-16943a04a658[/URL]
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-debate-fact-check-trump-ages-poorly-fbi-quietly-revises-violent-crime-statistics-up[/URL]
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/dems-mocked-low-t-soy-boys-after-cnn-anchor-says-dnc-appeals-opposite-testosterone-laden-men[/URL]
[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/13/media/disney-executives-close-friendship-with-kamala-harris-under-scrutiny-as-abc-hosts-critical-debate/[/URL]
I think its really "weird" that you like carrying water for the enemy.
Your eagerness to support an Anti American female POC speaks volumes, aren't you a male? Hetero?
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/10/31/report-harris-campaigns-astroturf-machine-pushes-ethical-boundaries-with-foreign-volunteers/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/01/kamalas-opportunity-economy-foreign-workers-score-over-1-million-jobs-nearly-800k-americans-lose-jobs/[/URL]
Just admit it already you like her because she is very bad for the future of America, because you love Xi and hate America and Americans.
Here is a short list of Harris fans.
-oligarchs that want to destroy America espec the middle class.
They want America like California a few rich and many peasants.
[URL]https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/22/california-where-freedom-goes-to-die/[/URL]
-immigrants that hate America.
-and expats that hate America.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2957966][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/nate-silver-pollsters-cheating/2024/11/01/id/1186344/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/02/poll-donald-trump-leading-kamala-harris-by-10-percent-in-iowa/[/URL][/QUOTE]While Trump is blathering his usual lies about his crowd sizes, never an empty seat, bigger crowds than any rallies in the world and all that crap, his cameraman goes rogue and pans around to alllll the empty seats and allll the repeating, bussed-in rally goers distracted and not paying the least bit of attention, many apparently bailing out already or heading back to the concession area for whatever free food and beer they are given just for showing up again and again and again.
Hilarious, must-see video:
[URL]https://x.com/AntiquarianMuse/status/1853070980878352810[/URL]
That's what he gets for stiffing the crew at those rallies. Pay the bills you rack up every now and then, Donnie.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958073]and expats that hate America.[/QUOTE]Who are those? Do you classify simply being a expat as being one the hates America. How about all the Military Personal that live overseas serving the American Public? They are expats too.
[B]How do you tell the difference between a expat that loves America and one that hates it[/B]?
[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2958052]Anyone using Newsmax or Breitbart as a "source" doesn't understand the meaning of a "credible source".[/QUOTE]Yes. Case in point; to read Newsmax's spin on Nate Silver's conclusion that pollsters are "herding" or cheating to keep the poll results within a point or two for Trump and Harris, Newsmax cons Trumpster suckers like MDS into thinking Silver meant that they have been [I]raising[/I] Harris' numbers to match Trump's.
Nope.
My earlier comment about Nate Silver finally concluding pollsters other than the highly-regarded one who conducted the 47% Harris /44%Trump poll in Iowa might, just might have been "lowballing Harris" all along came directly from his website. Those were his words. Not the other way around, not that they have been [I]raising[/I] her numbers to match Trump's but that they have been either [I]raising[/I] his numbers or [I]lowering/lowballing[/I] hers to keep the polls tight.
He has updated and eliminated that page by now. With lying, fake news organizations like Newsmax around, I suppose I should have linked and quoted it at the time, taken a screenshot of it or both. But you can read actual quotes and similar sentiment expressed by Silver in this recent Newsweek article:
[B]What Nate Silver Has Said About Kamala Harris' Chances.
Nov. 3, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/nate-silver-kamala-harris-chances-election-1978638[/URL]
[QUOTE]In his column, Silver wrote that Harris might be underestimated in the polls because "pollsters are terrified of missing low on Mr. Trump again" and "they may consciously or unconsciously make assumptions that favor him."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957838]Nothing much has changed among the major poll aggregators as the polls are tightening as they usually do this close to election day;.
Harris is still at the winning 270 Electoral College Vote in Race To The White House, still only 0. 3 point at most in one state, PA, away from 270+ in 538 and 538 Who Is Favored To Win, 270 To Win and Nate Silver Bulletin. She is only 0. 4 point away from 270+ even in the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics poll aggregator.
Oh, and speaking of Nate Silver, he has at this late hour come to the conclusion that pollsters might, just might have been lowballing Harris all along [b]considering one of the [u]Gold Standard pollsters[/u] has today posted a poll showing Harris ahead of Trump by a whopping 3 points in the ruby red state of Iowa![/b]
[B]Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day. Here's how.
The nationally recognized Iowa Poll shows Kamala Harris picking up support from women to surpass Donald Trump in a ruby-red state he has won twice.
Nov. 2, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[i][b]This is actually a freakin' big deal![/b][/i] Iowa, may indeed turn blue and Repubs are freakin' out!
Not sure why I didn't pay attention to this post sooner, but upon watching a Maddow video on this segment and the voting patterns playing out in Iowa, may indeed, signal similar voting implications in other red states. She interviews, pollster J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co. one of the [u]Gold Standard pollster[/u], you indicated in your post, to explain her shocking findings.
[b]'Shock result': Maddow on bombshell Iowa poll with Harris leading Trump[/b] (12 min)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdBtDN85X7k[/url]
When Harris also wins Iowa (according to Selzer), I wonder what predominately black and brown neighborhoods, is Trump gonna target in Iowa, to find 11,780 votes! (...kkkk!)
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2958141]Yes. Case in point; to read Newsmax's spin on Nate Silver's conclusion that pollsters are "herding" or cheating to keep the poll results within a point or two for Trump and Harris, Newsmax cons Trumpster suckers like MDS into thinking Silver meant that they have been [I]raising[/I] Harris' numbers to match Trump's.
Nope.
My earlier comment about Nate Silver finally concluding pollsters other than the highly-regarded one who conducted the 47% Harris /44%Trump poll in Iowa might, just might have been "lowballing Harris" all along came directly from his website. Those were his words. Not the other way around, not that they have been [I]raising[/I] her numbers to match Trump's but that they have been either [I]raising[/I] his numbers or [I]lowering/lowballing[/I] hers to keep the polls tight.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/famed-polling-guru-nate-silvers-gut-says-donald-trump-will-win-2024-presidential-election/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.aol.com/news/cnn-exclusive-bill-clinton-hopes-113023817.html[/URL]
He was the one who tapped into the White working-class vote back then to break through the political establishment, and then signed trade agreements and banking laws that created the job losses and resentment that has transformed American politics. His wife was the one whose loss put Trump in the White House, in a way that burns him still.
But so did NAFTA, letting China into the World Trade Organization and the other deals that Clinton ushered in, boosting globalization but gutting American jobs and wages in ways he never imagined.
Trade is a sensitive subject for him, yes it is his TPP helped us keep him from a 3rd term.
(Then again, Clinton said, he was "gobsmacked" that companies that said they'd pay to help with the transition never did. And he blamed the Republicans who rode an anti-Clinton, anti-NAFTA wave in 1994 for never getting the universal health care and job retraining programs he had envisioned as the other side of the agreement.
White trash Bubba "spreads blame like a John Deere spreads manure" or a favorite bit he has about how Bubba would take credit for this unseasonably sunny weather in the final campaign stretch but would blame Trump if it rained.)
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2957913]From your link:
When will the NYT ask this question instead;.
Why can't the one candidate who knows better than anyone else how to exploit and capitalize on the still racially-polarized, misogynistic elements of American society and who is best equipped by decades of experience to sell shit as chocolate pudding to the dumbest Repub hillbillies in the country, another middle-aged or older White guy Donald Trump, been unable to come within 3,000,000 then 7,000,000 votes of winning the approval of the American Electorate and is now still within a normal +/-MoE of losing again even with typically pro Mainstream Media like the NYT working mightily to help him and his fellow America-hating Repubs get elected?
Trump must feel utterly humiliated that a woman of mixed minority ethnicity not only slaughtered him in the one debate he could not avoid and hide from in his basement, but is amazingly competitive in this election according to the polls and by many of the most intelligent readings of the polls and the early vote is on track to whip his fat butt like a rented mule.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/03/opinion/election-focus-groups.html[/URL]
Trump appears to, literally jerk-off his microphone and gives it a a blow-job, like he's sucking Putin's dick, at his latest Wisconsin rally.
Trump shows Wisconsin, how he likes to suck Russian shrimp dicks, using his microphone {...my interpretation...} [URL]https://youtu.be/pAjbY5trGdE?t=188[/URL]
This is the guy, Repubs want for president? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2958203]Trump appears to, literally jerk-off his microphone and gives it a a blow-job, like he's sucking Putin's dick, at his latest Wisconsin rally.
Trump shows Wisconsin, how he likes to suck Russian shrimp dicks, using his microphone {...my interpretation...} [URL]https://youtu.be/pAjbY5trGdE?t=188[/URL]
This is the guy, Repubs want for president? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I][/QUOTE]No, this here is how he does it! LOL!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958218]No, this here is how he does it! LOL![/QUOTE]I wonder if the moderator would allow us to post some photos of Harris the ho w / Willie the Pimp of SF?
No Photoshop necessary!!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958218]No, this here is how he does it! LOL![/QUOTE]Trump isn't a "go with the flow and see what happens" guy. He always gets an "upfront" commitment from Vlad for how he wants it each time:
All through the major polling aggregators Harris is polling anywhere from ahead Nationally and at the 270 Electoral College Votes needed to win as she is on the Race To The White House site, or anywhere from a literal tie or, at most, a mere 0. 3 point away in just one state, PA, from 270+ on every other notable poll aggregator, including 538 Who Is Favored To Win, Nate Silver Bulletin, 270 To Win and, yes, the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site. You can easily find all of those online.
And as of this writing the straight up 538 site that is known to factor in the most credible polls and not to load up on the kind of Repub-biased "herding" polls that Nate Silver has repeatedly identified as cheating in order to lift Trump's poll numbers to match or exceed Harris' by 1-2 points, shows Harris ahead in the National polls, ahead in WI, ahead in MI, ahead in PA (ignore the word even there and tap on it. Harris is ahead in that state as much as RCP needs to give Trump the whole thing. LOL), which would give her the 270+ EC Votes, as well as showing Dems ahead of Repubs on Preference to Control Congress, Harris' Favorable vs Unfavorable rating at only -2 points compared to Trump's -8. 6 point.
[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]
Oh, and for those interested in how the most notable Presidential Betting Market, PredictIt, is tracking it as of this writing, they show Harris at 54 vs Trump at 52. But those betting markets change by the minute, flipping this way and that way in a blink. So it is possible, in fact probable that it will not be anywhere near what is shown in the screenshot below by the time I submit this, much less by the time it gets posted a few hours from now. For whatever that is worth as an indicator for who will win. I used to think it mattered, that people who made those bets must be putting in at least a tad more due diligence on the issues than most. Now that I know how they work, I no longer think that way.
[URL]https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958185][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/famed-polling-guru-nate-silvers-gut-says-donald-trump-will-win-2024-presidential-election/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.aol.com/news/cnn-exclusive-bill-clinton-hopes-113023817.html[/URL]
He was the one who tapped into the White working-class vote back then to break through the political establishment, and then signed trade agreements and banking laws that created the job losses and resentment that has transformed American politics. His wife was the one whose loss put Trump in the White House, in a way that burns him still.
But so did NAFTA, letting China into the World Trade Organization and the other deals that Clinton ushered in, boosting globalization but gutting American jobs and wages in ways he never imagined.
Trade is a sensitive subject for him, yes it is his TPP helped us keep him from a 3rd term.
(Then again, Clinton said, he was "gobsmacked" that companies that said they'd pay to help with the transition never did. And he blamed the Republicans who rode an anti-Clinton, anti-NAFTA wave in 1994 for never getting the universal health care and job retraining programs he had envisioned as the other side of the agreement.
White trash Bubba "spreads blame like a John Deere spreads manure" or a favorite bit he has about how Bubba would take credit for this unseasonably sunny weather in the final campaign stretch but would blame Trump if it rained.)[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/opinion/trump-trade-immigration-election.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/business/china-foreclosures-mortgages.html[/URL]#text=Banks%20 in%20 China%20 are%20 foreclosing, year%2 see%20 according%20 to%20 official%20 data.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2024/08/30/china-shutters-more-than-one-million-restaurants-as-economy-withers/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958291]I wonder if the moderator would allow us to post some photos of Harris the ho w / Willie the Pimp of SF?
No Photoshop necessary!![/QUOTE]You're projecting once again. And old enough to know how to get under your fascist loving skin! When we fight we win!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2958203]Trump appears to, literally jerk-off his microphone and gives it a a blow-job, like he's sucking Putin's dick, at his latest Wisconsin rally.
Trump shows Wisconsin, how he likes to suck Russian shrimp dicks, using his microphone {...my interpretation...} [URL]https://youtu.be/pAjbY5trGdE?t=188[/URL]
This is the guy, Repubs want for president? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I][/QUOTE]2 crazy. World need to get rid of both, dangerous liars.
For those who enjoy polls, of course. Or used to.
In addition to what I posted previously regarding the Election Eve polls showing Harris ahead of Trump in the National Polls and the States she needs to win 270+ Electoral College Votes as well as the Dems ahead of the Repubs in the generic Favored to Control Congress polls in the straight-up 538 Poll Aggregator along with Harris hitting it in the National Polls and the States she needs to win 270 EC Votes in the Race To The White House Aggregator, it turns out that as the evening came to a complete close the 538 Who Is Favored To Win site updated their assessment to show Harris moving ahead of Trump and achieving the 270 EC Votes and good ol' Nate Silver updating his Bulletin to show the polls favoring Harris over Trump.
I guess we will have to wait for Nate's Election Day newsletter to see how he reconciles his final poll results update with whatever might still be sitting in his 'gut.'
[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2958339]Trump isn't a "go with the flow and see what happens" guy. He always gets an "upfront" commitment from Vlad for how he wants it each time:[/QUOTE]Well, he was a "tight end" in football who, per his own words, had experience with guys from bad neighborhoods coming after him. Makes him "prison ready" LOLOLOL!
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-13963713/donald-trump-reveals-reason-didnt-like-football.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958388]You're projecting once again. And old enough to know how to get under your fascist loving skin! When we fight we win![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2024/11/04/report-controversial-algerian-olympic-boxer-has-internal-testes-micropenis-xy-chromosomes/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958434]Well, he was a "tight end" in football who, per his own words, had experience with guys from bad neighborhoods coming after him. Makes him "prison ready" LOLOLOL!
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-13963713/donald-trump-reveals-reason-didnt-like-football.html[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/11/05/disneys-hocus-pocus-2-star-bette-midler-suggests-drinking-drano-if-trump-wins/[/URL]
Yes, yes, we know; "smart businessman" con artist Donald Trump will make money on this con as was the case with most of his other many, many, many cons:
[B]Trump Media loses $19.2 million in third quarter, Election Day filing reveals.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/05/trump-media-loses-19point2-million-in-third-quarter-surprise-election-day-filing-reveals.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Trump Media experienced a flurry of trading activity Tuesday as a possible proxy for Donald Trumps presidency chances.
The Truth Social parent lost $19.2 million in its third quarter.
Trump Media reported about [b]$2.6 million in revenue and a net loss of $363 million for the first nine months of 2024.[/b][/QUOTE]
Will You Remember where you Were when on this Historic Night? The Night Donald J Trump Saved America-- Red Wave Baby!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2925007]It's times like these, when Repubs love to [i]"beat their chests, like a red gorillas in heat",[/i] at how wonderful these (fake) polls have them "winning", in an election yet to be decided at the ballot-box, that I'm ultimately reminded of the 2022 Midterms and the so called [b]"Red Wave",[/b] that turned into the [b]"Pick Trickle"[/b](....kkkk!)
So here Repubs are "beating their chests", pre-2022 Midterms and gloating about a "Red Wave" and "Red Tsunami":
AND THEN this happened:
And to complete the analogy,...the "red gorillas, beating their chests", suddenly turn, back into angry squabbling chimpanzees.
Now you should know, I'm not one for the polls w/r to elections. So for me...[i][b]Seeing is believing![/b][/i]
So until Repubs, actual drive Black voters to turnout on avg. of 12% to 8% plus or more, for them at the ballot-box, I'll stick with the historically [b]actual factual numbers[/b], where on avg. 82% of Black voters, have voted for Democrats.
But as the Vox article noted, then "Dobbs" happened!
So while Repubs continue "to beat their chests", over a slight uptick in the (fake) polls, with Black and Brown voters, they fail to realize their blind-spot in 2024. The killer surge in the [i][b]WOMEN'S VOTE![/b][/i], for Joe Biden and Democrats, to uphold their freedoms and rights to bodily autonomy.
As a "Republican Libertarian", I would think you'd see this coming? But then again, Tiny 12, wasn't Nikki Haley your choice for the Repub rep?
[u][b]PS:[/b][/u] Besides, [b]nobody in their right mind, wants Trump[/b], as the 2x impeached, 4x indicted, convict, felon, serial liar, tax cheat, wife cheat, golf cheat, business cheat, racist, wannabe dictator, pussy-grabbing, misogynist, porn-star fucking loser, as President of the USA....[u][i]NOBODY in their right mind want that![/i][/u] Or whatever lackey sycophant he appoints![/QUOTE]Will You Remember where you Were when on this Historic Night? The Night Donald J Trump Saved America-- Go Home to Mommie.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2738792][B]What Democrats' Win In Alaska Tells Us About November.
Sept. 1, 2022[/B]
[URL]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-democrats-win-in-alaska-tells-us-about-november/[/URL]
Yeah, I said early on to be mindful that these polls are probably over-sampling Repubs.
Still, the two things and the ONLY things Repubs have going for them to "win" some Congressional seats this mid-term is the long tradition of the out Party in the White House typically doing so in the first mid-term of a presidency anyway and the built-in election-rigging element of extreme gerrymandering favoring Repubs combined with the Repubs' nation-wide packing of state and local ballot-collecting and vote-counting positions with their looniest American democracy-hating QAnon Repubs.
Both of which are critical to swaying the outcome vs the polling and might indeed allow Repubs to prevail.
Otherwise, Repubs have absolutely nothing on their side to justify earning so much as a single free and fair vote and Dems have everything on their side to justify getting 100% of the free and fair votes.
To recap on the poll issue:
Even as actual election results have strongly suggested most polls are way over-sampling Repubs, as of this writing, the Consensus Poll of Polls on the demonstrably winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site and the more highly regarded FiveThirtyEight site show Biden with a higher Job Approval and Favorability Rating than any other Party leader in Congress.
It is higher than either House of Congress.
It is higher than anyone or any entity that can do anything to continue cleaning up the horrific "mess" Trump and his classic Repub policies and stewardship left behind.
It is higher than the immediate former guy had at this point in his so-called presidency and he beats the former guy and 2024 Repub front-runner nominee soundly in a hypothetical head-to-head poll question.
The Dems are also now leading and on the rise in voter preference to control Congress on both sites, following a dramatic plunge for Repubs on that advantage.
And that is before a couple of recent major polls with decidedly good news for Dems (and therefore for America) have been factored into the consensus, before the reaction to Biden's brilliant Soul of America speech has settled in and before most voters have stopped to take a good hard look at the America-hating loons that Trump endorsed into a nomination in many races.[/QUOTE]See'Mon. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn. Maybe KaWaLaaaaaaaa. Can run in 2028?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2958203]Trump appears to, literally jerk-off his microphone and gives it a a blow-job, like he's sucking Putin's dick, at his latest Wisconsin rally.
Trump shows Wisconsin, how he likes to suck Russian shrimp dicks, using his microphone {...my interpretation...} [URL]https://youtu.be/pAjbY5trGdE?t=188[/URL]
This is the guy, Repubs want for president? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I][/QUOTE]TRY TO Keep up. So Many BrainWashed DickHeads on this page-- the HilBow Fabricated Russia Bullshit-- Wake The Fuck Up-.
Will You Remember where you Were when on this Historic Night? The Night Donald J Trump Saved America-- MAGA Bitches!!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958388]You're projecting once again. And old enough to know how to get under your fascist loving skin! When we fight we win![/QUOTE]Strike that, it was a really GREAT DAY.
When losers fight they lose!! Why? Because they are BORN LOSERS that's what LOSERS do.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDNXAlklkPk[/URL]
Here's a nice vid for all the Cucks that voted for the Indian Whoor.
A great song for the times ahead.
Hello Darkness my old friend.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958434]Well, he was a "tight end" in football who, per his own words, had experience with guys from bad neighborhoods coming after him. Makes him "prison ready" LOLOLOL!
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-13963713/donald-trump-reveals-reason-didnt-like-football.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You should be more respectful of your president, President Trump! .
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2956368]My Prediction:
If the Yankees and Trump loses I will suck turds out of a sheep's asshole. If they win America will be great again and I will be shrouded in World Series Yankees merch.[/QUOTE]I am deeply disappointed in the American people. I think a lot of people just decided they didn't want a female president, and especially one of color. That's the only way I can understand this. Trump is the real "Teflon Don"!
Congratulations MAGA. Your MAGA side won the presidency.
Thoughts and prayers for America and the rest of the world.
My main interest being the economy in terms of my rental property values, rent roll, my company pension and Social Security with my stock market holdings being mostly an afterthought, essentially a hobby since I don't really need it to live, play and travel on (yet), the most hopeful prospect is that him being older, lazier and certainly more cognitively impaired, Trump will do with the great economy he will inherit this time the same thing he did with the great economy he inherited in 2017;.
Which was to Do Nothing but play golf and think up insulting names for his critics while coasting on all the hard work and political risk-taking by the current Administration, finally get around to signing and passing one economic bill to make Corporate CEOs and top income margin wealthy even weathier while the worst it will do is produce a million fewer jobs with it than without it and add a few Trillion more to the deficit.
That would be a "win" for America compared to the damage he would inflict if he actually kept a campaign promise or two this time around.
Oh, and keep your fingers crossed that no utterly predictable potential "Once in 100 Years Disaster" pops up in the next 4 years like it did on his previous watch.
Sad day for our 7 billions world health. I don't agree with Macron and I'm sad for US women who have a brain, when no brained US will learn the meaning of the word lie and how to be deeply fucked. US really didn't improve. Trump claims to stop Ukraine war, when US make big money from this war, so logic.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958635]Strike that, it was a really GREAT DAY.
When losers fight they lose!! Why? Because they are BORN LOSERS that's what LOSERS do.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDNXAlklkPk[/URL]
Here's a nice vid for all the Cucks that voted for the Indian Whoor.
A great song for the times ahead.
Hello Darkness my old friend.[/QUOTE]Hey,
I am really looking forward to all the Trump / Repub legislation that is designed to benefit his and his Party's new Electoral Victory demos: Hispanics and Black Men.
Can't hurt the economy too much. So we all await watching the happiness on the faces of all those key demos who made a bet that Trump and the GOP will reward them handsomely for their votes.
We may have lost this battle, but this war is far from over. We must remain standing shoulder-to-shoulder united against Trumpism and MAGA! It's going to be like his first term, only worse in that there will be fewer guard rails. Who are going to be the adults in the room? Just like the first time around, no doubt he will repeatedly fuck stuff up. Let's just hope that it's not so bad that it can't be reversed once the plague of Donald Trump has passed. America elected a felon to the presidency of the United States! Not only am I deeply disappointed, but I am ashamed of my countrymen. God have mercy upon America, and Lord help us through these times!
Are You Happy Like Me? We won't have to hear that cackling Ever Again?
Well played Repubs...well played! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2958637]You should be more respectful of your president, President Trump![/QUOTE]And you should be more respectful of everyone on this site.
My thoughts exactly: [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4976278-liz-cheney-donald-trump-2024-victory-democracy/[/URL]
Hahahahahaha
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2958731]Hahahahahaha[/QUOTE]I was taught its a White Mans World!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL]
What will be Trump's first great, earthshaking economic legislation proposed to his Repubs in Congress on January 21,2025 and passed a few hours or 1-2 days later?
It must be big Big BIG and not one of those time-delayed, look for results 2-3 years down the road bills. Oh no.
After all, this terrible, AMERICA-DESTROYING ECONOMY must be fixed and turned around IMMEDIATELY! Every hour that passes it gets worse and worse and worse. So that first HUGE Trump and Repub economic concept / idea / plan / proposal / legislation / law must be jammed through at break-neck speed to save the country.
If not, if Trump spends so much as an hour playing golf in that first year or sleeping in late rather than getting that legislation passed and into the economy, why, we're liable to think his and typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's 4 year long whine about how terrible this economy is for the American worker and how "Repubs are better at handling the economy" was just so much bullshit and that Trump and his Repubs are now just coasting on the hard work, political risk-taking and accomplishments of the administration that preceded his.
Like he did the last time the American people put him in the White House and for the same supposed reason.
And it must be designed to give immediate good jobs, increased wages and major rent and price-cutting relief to Hispanics and Black Americans, especially Black Men, the new Repub Electoral Victory demos who made his and his Repub Congress' win possible.
They are counting on that relief from Trump. Immediately. That is why they voted for such a "smart businessman" in the first place.
I am looking forward to seeing how Trump makes that happen by the end of this coming January. Any later than that would be total failure to make good on the whole reason they put him back in the White House.
It should be fun and oh so instructive to see how he does that.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958745]I was taught its a White Mans World!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Finally you said something that's the absolute truth! Only a white man could do what Trump has done and still be elected President. Had a woman or person of color done only a small fraction of the things Trump has done and they undoubtedly would have disqualified themselves as candidates. Well. At least I get to keep fucking pretty Brazilian brancas up the butt. Hahahaha!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2958680]Sad day for our 7 billions world health. I don't agree with Macron and I'm sad for US women who have a brain, when no brained US will learn the meaning of the word lie and how to be deeply fucked. US really didn't improve. Trump claims to stop Ukraine war, when US make big money from this war, so logic.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheCane;2958660]I am deeply disappointed in the American people. I think a lot of people just decided they didn't want a female president, and especially one of color. That's the only way I can understand this. Trump is the real "Teflon Don"![/QUOTE]You will have to help me with this. How is it bad in Democracy when the popular opposition candidate survives a corrupt legal process to defund him and put him in jail? How is it a sad day when two would be assassins were thwarted and the most popular candidate was allowed to become president? Even in the end when Trump went on Joe Rogan, youtube was making it hard for people to see the interview. How is it sad day for the USA when censorship lost?
Let's be honest, Cane. Let's be honest, Sirioja. The sad day for you is when that bullet missed Trump's head. And you know what I call it when Democratic douches like yourself paint a man like Trump into Hitler and call him fascist such that an assassination is justified? Sad! You two are so sad because you only care about winning at any cost.
How can it be a sad day for Democracy when this crazy witch Kamala did not win when no one voted for her in a primary? How did that even fucking happen?
It is a great day that even Democrats now can acknowledge that the crazy primary process where people vote and the winner of said votes is determined and made to be head of the party will happen once more. It is a great day that now a party candidate, even the head of the Democrat party, will be chosen by the people versus a handful of elites.
Democracy won today. Censorship, lawfare, a candidate picked by the elites, and would be assassins lost. That is as good a day as it gets in the USA.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958688]We may have lost this battle, but this war is far from over. We must remain standing shoulder-to-shoulder united against Trumpism and MAGA! It's going to be like his first term, only worse in that there will be fewer guard rails. Who are going to be the adults in the room? Just like the first time around, no doubt he will repeatedly fuck stuff up. Let's just hope that it's not so bad that it can't be reversed once the plague of Donald Trump has passed. America elected a felon to the presidency of the United States! Not only am I deeply disappointed, but I am ashamed of my countrymen. God have mercy upon America, and Lord help us through these times![/QUOTE]Like the PRI in Mexico, didn't they have a 70 year run.
Next up after Our Lord and Savior will be JD Vance for 8 yrs and then maybe DJT Jr for 8 yrs.
Buckle up Snowflakes!
The MAGA Movement isn't going anywhere in fact, I predict it will outlive all of us!
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-campaign-takes-the-victory-lap-of-the-century/[/URL]
Didn't some of the MAGAs here go on and on about how the American dream of buying a house is impossible thanks to evil Joe Biden? LOL.
[B]Mortgage rates surge higher on Trump victory, causing housing stocks to fall.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/06/mortgage-rates-surge-on-trump-victory-housing-stocks-to-plummet.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The average rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage surged 9 basis points Wednesday to 7.13%, according to Mortgage News Daily.
Housing stocks reacted in turn, with both the big public builders and building material companies falling sharply.
Lennar, D.R. Horton and PulteGroup were all down Wednesday. Retailers Home Depot and Lowes were also lower.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958660]I am deeply disappointed in the American people. I think a lot of people just decided they didn't want a female president, and especially one of color. That's the only way I can understand this. Trump is the real "Teflon Don"![/QUOTE]Yes, this pretty much puts an end to anyone but a middle-aged or older White guy running for president for a long time. Obama was probably a one-off. The timing was right for him in that many Wingers crossed over to vote for him on the assumption that the Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction he was handed was so godawful he would never be able to fix it and at least they shuffled off that responsibility and blame to a black guy. And, therefore, he would be the first and last Black president.
But then he did the unforgivable; he actually fixed it! In historic fashion! Consequently, Wingers had to hate and demonize him and his Administration even more.
And now with Hillary's and this election calamity, no more female abd / or Black major party candidates for a while. Probably a long, long while.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958745]I was taught its a White Mans World!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Do you remember Jordan, Pippen and Rodman who cleaned below the basket. But I can't understand how Black, Latinas and women could vote for Trump. Christmas day for criminal Netanyahou, when both should be prosecuted.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958602]TRY TO Keep up. So Many BrainWashed DickHeads on this page-- the HilBow Fabricated Russia Bullshit-- Wake The Fuck Up-.
Will You Remember where you Were when on this Historic Night? The Night Donald J Trump Saved America-- MAGA Bitches!![/QUOTE]
But now, the real work for MAGA begins. Let's hope a MAGA administration, get's it right this time around and doesn't once again destroy a GREAT economy, gifted to them by Dems.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958708] Are You Happy Like Me? We won't have to hear that [b]cackling[/b] Ever Again? [/QUOTE] Oh rest assured, they'll be lots of "cackling", it is Trump after all we're talking about...[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958688]We may have lost this battle, but this war is far from over. We must remain standing shoulder-to-shoulder united against Trumpism and MAGA! It's going to be like his first term, only worse in that there will be fewer guard rails. Who are going to be the adults in the room? Just like the first time around, no doubt he will repeatedly fuck stuff up. Let's just hope that it's not so bad that it can't be reversed once the plague of Donald Trump has passed. America elected a felon to the presidency of the United States! Not only am I deeply disappointed, but I am ashamed of my countrymen. God have mercy upon America, and Lord help us through these times![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-defeat-democrats.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/border/2024/11/06/trump-carries-97-percent-hispanic-texas-border-county-that-voted-democrat-since-1896/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2958750]What will be Trump's first great, earthshaking economic legislation proposed to his Repubs in Congress on January 21,2025 and passed a few hours or 1-2 days later?
It must be big Big BIG and not one of those time-delayed, look for results 2-3 years down the road bills. Oh no.
After all, this terrible, AMERICA-DESTROYING ECONOMY must be fixed and turned around IMMEDIATELY! Every hour that passes it gets worse and worse and worse. So that first HUGE Trump and Repub economic concept / idea / plan / proposal / legislation / law must be jammed through at break-neck speed to save the country.
If not, if Trump spends so much as an hour playing golf in that first year or sleeping in late rather than getting that legislation passed and into the economy, why, we're liable to think his and typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's 4 year long whine about how terrible this economy is for the American worker and how "Repubs are better at handling the economy" was just so much bullshit and that Trump and his Repubs are now just coasting on the hard work, political risk-taking and accomplishments of the administration that preceded his..[/QUOTE]But it doesn't really matter, does it? After they've destroyed this roaring economy, alienated our international allies, empowered tyrants everywhere around the world, and failed in all their other endeavors, they'll once again find a way to blame their political opponents, and MAGA will eat all that with a spoon, no questions asked.
And that's the best case scenario. The worst is they manage to completely corrupt our judicial system and cripple our democracy, which they nearly achieved by the end of the scoundrel's first term. I'm not optimistic.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2958796]But now, the real work for MAGA begins. Let's hope a MAGA administration, get's it right this time around and doesn't once again destroy a GREAT economy, gifted to them by Dems.
Oh rest assured, they'll be lots of "cackling", it is Trump after all we're talking about...[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/06/donald-trump-mass-deportations-illegals-first-day-second-term/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2958750]What will be Trump's first great, earthshaking economic legislation proposed to his Repubs in Congress on January 21,2025 and passed a few hours or 1-2 days later?
It must be big Big BIG and not one of those time-delayed, look for results 2-3 years down the road bills. Oh no.
After all, this terrible, AMERICA-DESTROYING ECONOMY must be fixed and turned around IMMEDIATELY! Every hour that passes it gets worse and worse and worse. So that first HUGE Trump and Repub economic concept / idea / plan / proposal / legislation / law must be jammed through at break-neck speed to save the country.
If not, if Trump spends so much as an hour playing golf in that first year or sleeping in late rather than getting that legislation passed and into the economy, why, we're liable to think his and typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's 4 year long whine about how terrible this economy is for the American worker and how "Repubs are better at handling the economy" was just so much bullshit and that Trump and his Repubs are now just coasting on the hard work, political risk-taking and accomplishments of the administration that preceded his..[/QUOTE]My portfolio is already up quite nicely! Trump doesn't need to pass any legislation. His presence alone will spur investment and a stronger economy. I just sold my Lockheed Martin and bought big into Tesla and its already paying off. No more wars and new tech is the way to go. America spoke, WE WANT money! Trump will deliver.
That being said, let's hope he keeps his bullshit to a minimum and does focus on unifying the country through success and does the things he was elected to do. I will be the first to criticize him when and if he fails. First thing he has to do is end this bullshit in Ukraine with his boy Putin and this will win over NATO and Europe. Then parlay that success and use the momentum to end the conflict in Israel. Netanyau will bend the knee in a split second if we threaten to pull support. He'll be quick to make a deal. By solving those two problems the world won't be able to ignore the power of the Orange Giant LOL and he can use that to his advantage in getting some trade deals done with China. America is going to love those dirt cheap imports or we buy American and spur domestic manufacturing. Either way we we'll win.
Border does need to be secured, but hopefully he doesn't deport all the illegals. I didn't want to say this before the election, but they are great for the economy. Cheap labor and 30 million extras consumers and all the natives have to do is invest in Corporate America and we can't lose. Next four years will be known as the "TRUE" roaring twenties. Here comes the boom!
To all the Dems like Tooms, sorry for your loss boys. I was never one to kick a man when he is down. Look on the bright side, In four years we get to do it all over again.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2958796]But now, the real work for MAGA begins. Let's hope a MAGA administration, get's it right this time around and doesn't once again destroy a GREAT economy, gifted to them by Dems.
Oh rest assured, they'll be lots of "cackling", it is Trump after all we're talking about...[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE]LOL a great economy? 10,000 jobs last month --High Inflation-- I guess the Majority of voters are just Dummies and Spidee is a Genius--LMAO.
Remember James Careville the Folksey Weirdo -It's the Economy Stupid'?
Dude-- You watch the CIA sponsered Scumbag media too much-- Obviously because you and a lot of the other brainwashed Dickheads here believe in the Russia Bullshit and 30-50 other hoaxes thay have concocted against Our President Donald J Trump--Also LOL-- You Believed the Close Polls- Pull your head out of Your Ass.
What is KKKK? Ku -Klux- Klan- something?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2958796]But now, the real work for MAGA begins. Let's hope a MAGA administration, get's it right this time around and doesn't once again destroy a GREAT economy, gifted to them by Dems.
Oh rest assured, they'll be lots of "cackling", it is Trump after all we're talking about...[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE][QUOTE=EihTooms;2958750]After all, this terrible, AMERICA-DESTROYING ECONOMY must be fixed and turned around IMMEDIATELY! Every hour that passes it gets worse and worse and worse. So that first HUGE Trump and Repub economic concept / idea / plan / proposal / legislation / law must be jammed through at break-neck speed to save the country.
It should be fun and oh so instructive to see how he does that.[/QUOTE]Not even one day after being wrong about anything do you eat any humble pie. Of course it is the same old bullshit with you and all them. Oh we were all wrong about Trump winning? Never mind.
Maybe shut up and figure out what you got wrong before popping off again. How about that?
No, you got to keep trying to appear intelligent while being the biggest fools in the room. All you do is repeat NYT marching orders. Hell, they had you morons convinced that you were going to win fucking Iowa!
So let's start with the economy first and listen to a Dem:
[URL]https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/[/URL]
Let's be clear, if Trump succeeds, it will not be about his winning strategy, but the Democrats' losing one. They handed it to him on a platter.
They kept on telling struggling Americans that the economy was good. Despite the entire nation being hurt by inflation. End of quote.
The Biden economy has been great for the stock owning and home owning elite but for everyone else? Not so much. It turns out people can do math and see their prices up every damned day and they have less money in their bank accounts.
As for the restaurant business, there was all this idiotic hand wringing over Red Lobster and how restaurants doing badly were not because of Joe Biden. No, Biden was great. Red Lobster sucked. Yeah, TGI Friday's just went belly up too: [URL]https://parade.com/food/tgi-fridays-chapter-11-bankruptcy[/URL].
Then, of course, there is the concept of knowing who the fuck you are voting for. Hell, Harris may as well have been AI. Everything was scripted, read off the teleprompter. Can you admit now that no one wanted to see her? That the only reason she had crowds the size of Trump's is because of false advertising and people being paid?
Let's go back to Bob Lefetz: I can't even tell you who Kamala Harris is, and most people agreed with me, and that's why she lost. End of quote.
Yeah, so why even go to a Kamala Harris rally outside of a celeb performing or being paid? Shit, Trump was funnier than most modern day comics.
So yeah, maybe if you are off banging hookers in Thailand with a stock and real estate portfolio, Biden has been berry berry good to you, but for the average American voter, the economy under Biden has sucked. Trump has to fix the economy, and given the amount of debt Biden has put us in, I am not sure even Trump can fix it. He will do better than the self serving Kamala but math is math, and the numbers are not good. But what should anyone expect? Democratic to be honest? Hell no.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958745]I was taught its a White Mans World!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Who's Dummer Scumbag Joe or Scumbag Joe.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/06/scarborough-harris-loss-shows-black-and-hispanic-men-have-race-issues-misogyny/[/URL]
That's all the oligarchs have lololol.
If you don't go along with their agenda you're a racist sexist transphobic vegetablephobe speciesist.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2024/11/06/nolte-the-era-of-corporate-media-dominance-is-over/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/border/2024/11/06/trump-carries-97-percent-hispanic-texas-border-county-that-voted-democrat-since-1896/[/URL]
Perhaps this Trifecta will shut the dumbocrats up for a while. At least the next eight years. So, go back to making money, lads, and sharing it with our less fortunate LBFMs or the giant juggs of the DR or wherever! Red Wave!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958660]I am deeply disappointed in the American people. I think a lot of people just decided they didn't want a female president, and especially one of color. That's the only way I can understand this. Trump is the real "Teflon Don"![/QUOTE]There will be some on the left who will say Trump won because of the inherent racism, sexism and authoritarianism of the American people. Apparently, those people love losing and want to do it again and again and again.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-elites-working-class.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958708]Are You Happy Like Me? We won't have to hear that cackling Ever Again?[/QUOTE] Shes a very disgusting very high mileage 60yr old even worse those Ive seen in the south end of Sante Fe LMAO
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/11/a-stunning-victory/
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/06/fleischer-a-life-saving-election-result-for-jews-who-care-about-israel/
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2958834]Not even one day after being wrong about anything do you eat any humble pie. Of course it is the same old bullshit with you and all them. Oh we were all wrong about Trump winning? Never mind.
Maybe shut up and figure out what you got wrong before popping off again. How about that?
No, you got to keep trying to appear intelligent while being the biggest fools in the room. All you do is repeat NYT marching orders. Hell, they had you morons convinced that you were going to win fucking Iowa!
So let's start with the economy first and listen to a Dem:
[URL]https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/[/URL]
Let's be clear, if Trump succeeds, it will not be about his winning strategy, but the Democrats' losing one. They handed it to him on a platter.
They kept on telling struggling Americans that the economy was good. Despite the entire nation being hurt by inflation. End of quote.
The Biden economy has been great for the stock owning and home owning elite but for everyone else? Not so much. It turns out people can do math and see their prices up every damned day and they have less money in their bank accounts.
As for the restaurant business, there was all this idiotic hand wringing over Red Lobster and how restaurants doing badly were not because of Joe Biden. No, Biden was great. Red Lobster sucked. Yeah, TGI Friday's just went belly up too: [URL]https://parade.com/food/tgi-fridays-chapter-11-bankruptcy[/URL].
Then, of course, there is the concept of knowing who the fuck you are voting for. Hell, Harris may as well have been AI. Everything was scripted, read off the teleprompter. Can you admit now that no one wanted to see her? That the only reason she had crowds the size of Trump's is because of false advertising and people being paid?
Let's go back to Bob Lefetz: I can't even tell you who Kamala Harris is, and most people agreed with me, and that's why she lost. End of quote.
Yeah, so why even go to a Kamala Harris rally outside of a celeb performing or being paid? Shit, Trump was funnier than most modern day comics.
So yeah, maybe if you are off banging hookers in Thailand with a stock and real estate portfolio, Biden has been berry berry good to you, but for the average American voter, the economy under Biden has sucked. Trump has to fix the economy, and given the amount of debt Biden has put us in, I am not sure even Trump can fix it. He will do better than the self serving Kamala but math is math, and the numbers are not good. But what should anyone expect? Democratic to be honest? Hell no.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/kamala-harris-2024-election-loss-caused-by-s-t-candidate-arrogant-staff-despondent-dem-sources-say/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958660]I am deeply disappointed in the American people. I think a lot of people just decided they didn't want a female president, and especially one of color. That's the only way I can understand this. Trump is the real "Teflon Don"![/QUOTE]But the American people did elect Obama. The problem or rather problems with this country (and the world in whole, by the way) run deeper than just racism and sexism IMHO. I can't for the life of me understand why millions of Americans and Europeans are flocking to the primitive, two-bit, far-right populism. Maybe, the evolution is turning back the clock, and the humanity's getting dumber. Maybe, they've gotten bored with democracy and want some excitement. Maybe it's a combination of multiple cultural and sociological phenomena that are forming this perfect storm. Who the hell knows!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2958834]Not even one day after being wrong about anything do you eat any humble pie. Of course it is the same old bullshit with you and all them. Oh we were all wrong about Trump winning? Never mind.
Maybe shut up and figure out what you got wrong before popping off again. How about that?
No, you got to keep trying to appear intelligent while being the biggest fools in the room. All you do is repeat NYT marching orders. Hell, they had you morons convinced that you were going to win fucking Iowa!
So let's start with the economy first and listen to a Dem:
[URL]https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/[/URL]
Let's be clear, if Trump succeeds, it will not be about his winning strategy, but the Democrats' losing one. They handed it to him on a platter.
They kept on telling struggling Americans that the economy was good. Despite the entire nation being hurt by inflation. End of quote.
The Biden economy has been great for the stock owning and home owning elite but for everyone else? Not so much. It turns out people can do math and see their prices up every damned day and they have less money in their bank accounts.
As for the restaurant business, there was all this idiotic hand wringing over Red Lobster and how restaurants doing badly were not because of Joe Biden. No, Biden was great. Red Lobster sucked. Yeah, TGI Friday's just went belly up too: [URL]https://parade.com/food/tgi-fridays-chapter-11-bankruptcy[/URL].
Then, of course, there is the concept of knowing who the fuck you are voting for. Hell, Harris may as well have been AI. Everything was scripted, read off the teleprompter. Can you admit now that no one wanted to see her? That the only reason she had crowds the size of Trump's is because of false advertising and people being paid?
Let's go back to Bob Lefetz: I can't even tell you who Kamala Harris is, and most people agreed with me, and that's why she lost. End of quote.
Yeah, so why even go to a Kamala Harris rally outside of a celeb performing or being paid? Shit, Trump was funnier than most modern day comics.
So yeah, maybe if you are off banging hookers in Thailand with a stock and real estate portfolio, Biden has been berry berry good to you, but for the average American voter, the economy under Biden has sucked. Trump has to fix the economy, and given the amount of debt Biden has put us in, I am not sure even Trump can fix it. He will do better than the self serving Kamala but math is math, and the numbers are not good. But what should anyone expect? Democratic to be honest? Hell no.[/QUOTE]The Trump / Repubs' new Election Victory demos, Hispanics and Blacks, have given Trump / Repubs their marching orders to pass a BIG and "smart businessman" SUCCESSFUL economic legislation IMMEDIATELY upon getting sworn in that WILL, not might, WILL "turn this economy around" and start producing millions of good new jobs with higher wages while their rent is cut in half and eggs are a nickel each everywhere, all the time and so so so much more.
No "honeymoon" phase. Day one. No golf until it has been done.
"Promises made, promises kept. ".
I will be here on day one asking Trump, "Mr. President, where are the jobs"?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958846]There will be some on the left who will say Trump won because of the inherent racism, sexism and authoritarianism of the American people. Apparently, those people love losing and want to do it again and again and again.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-elites-working-class.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Old crazy, 78 yo, Trump election give really bad image of US, except for Putin, Orban. Hu and Netanyahou, real references. So senile not to be able to understand why US buy more German cars than Germans buy US cars, when I laugh in Germany seeing Teslas when faster than 100 , Musk has still to improve versus Audi or BMW or Mercedes, Porsche, when old orange seems not to know what is quality, but will probably fuck our planet health, when he doesn t care, having only few years left. Would be funny, his golf playfield being destroyed by a hurricane, or house burned by fire, like so many in US.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2958786]Yes, this pretty much puts an end to anyone but a middle-aged or older White guy running for president for a long time. Obama was probably a one-off. The timing was right for him in that many Wingers crossed over to vote for him on the assumption that the Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction he was handed was so godawful he would never be able to fix it and at least they shuffled off that responsibility and blame to a black guy. And, therefore, he would be the first and last Black president.
But then he did the unforgivable; he actually fixed it! In historic fashion! Consequently, Wingers had to hate and demonize him and his Administration even more.
And now with Hillary's and this election calamity, no more female abd / or Black major party candidates for a while. Probably a long, long while.[/QUOTE]What's wrong white guys running "our country not yours" you've lived in Asia for 12+ yrs and according to your past posts, you are never coming back.
So what's wrong with the people that built the USA for the last 245+ yrs, running it?
As opposed to an Indian anchor baby like slutty Harris?
I think you hate men espec White Christian American ones, does that sound about right?
That's what I'm reading in your post.
The reason for the question is because you are an American born white Christian male?
Your post leaves me seriously nonplussed.
Be happy for me. I thought I was going to be choking on sheep turds this Thanksgiving.
Trump won in a landslide victory. He created a new following for the Republican Party. I was at the rally in the South Bronx. There were people from all walks of life and colors. Everyone was tolerant and supportive of each other. The vibe was upbeat and positive.
No more vile protests shutting down universities. No free rides for criminals on the taxpayers dime. Focus is on America and Americans.
They tried to destroy this guy by any means necessary even attempted murder. Yet he continued defiant and strong giving the ultimate F you response by overcoming the challenges and rising to the top once again.
An American hero. He will be remembered as one of America's political icons forever.
Last but not least he is going to get revenge on the people who tried to destroy him. I love a good Beach Slap. 👋.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958824]LOL a great economy? 10,000 jobs last month --High Inflation-- I guess the Majority of voters are just Dummies and Spidee is a Genius--LMAO.
Remember James Careville the Folksey Weirdo -It's the Economy Stupid'?
Dude-- You watch the CIA sponsered Scumbag media too much-- Obviously because you and a lot of the other brainwashed Dickheads here believe in the Russia Bullshit and 30-50 other hoaxes thay have concocted against Our President Donald J Trump--Also LOL-- You Believed the Close Polls- Pull your head out of Your Ass.[/QUOTE]Um. While it is easily substantiated that Donald Trump's dangerous and stupid economic and national security decisions in 2018 and 2019, contrary to all expert warnings for him not to make those decisions, led directly to converting a likely manageable Covid epidemic restricted to just one region of China into the historically deadly, worldwide economy-destroying Trump's Pandemic it became and further exacerbated by his critical 2020 year-long lies about it, mass murdering at least a million Americans and wiping out millions upon millions of jobs, there is zero evidence that either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris can really control the weather and cause 2 Hurricanes to hit the usual Red State areas of America in a single month:
[B]Employers added only 12,000 jobs in October. That seems bad but there's a catch.
Nov. 1,2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/11/01/nx-s1-5173664/economy-jobs-unemployment-hurricanes-boeing-strike[/URL]
[QUOTE]U.S. employers added a scant 12,000 jobs in October but the labor market is likely not as weak as that number implies.
That's because the number was skewed by an ongoing strike at Boeing and by the impact of Hurricanes Milton and Helene. The unemployment rate, which is less subject to temporary distortions, held steady at 4.1% in October, according to the Labor Department report released on Friday.[/QUOTE]Is that the same scientific method you apply to determining who is a "smart businessman"?
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2958896]They tried to destroy this guy by any means necessary even attempted murder. Yet he continued defiant and strong giving the ultimate F you response by overcoming the challenges and rising to the top once again. An American hero.[/QUOTE]And in a nutshell, this explains at the heart of it why Trump won again. More people chose to believe this than those who know it was about holding Trump accountable for his crimes and civil violations. The man who sparked an insurrection rather than abide by the time-honored peaceful transition of power. I'll tell you what. You're going to reap what you've sown. That's for sure. We're all going to suffer in the end because of it. Wait until your euphoria starts wearing off. And reality "beach slaps" you dead center in the forehead! I [B]will[/B] say I told you so! Fate has given Donald J. Trump another chance. Let's see if he can rise to the occasion and "make America great again". I sincerely doubt it, because the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. God protect and bless America!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958889]What's wrong white guys running "our country not yours" you've lived in Asia for 12+ yrs and according to your past posts, you are never coming back.
So what's wrong with the people that built the USA for the last 245+ yrs, running it?
As opposed to an Indian anchor baby like slutty Harris?
I think you hate men espec White Christian American ones, does that sound about right?
That's what I'm reading in your post.
The reason for the question is because you are an American born white Christian male?
Your post leaves me seriously nonplussed.[/QUOTE]Today, Kamala Harris proved herself to be a "Better Man" than Putin's Bottom Donnie Trump, Moscow Mitch, Lindsey Nellie Graham, Little Marco and every other Repub ever has in their lives.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958824]LOL a great economy? 10,000 jobs last month --High Inflation--I guess the Majority of voters are just Dummies [/QUOTE]Anybody being objective knows that the Boeing strike and the storms greatly impacted new job growth negatively. And inflation is back down from its highs. Those are objective facts. And the majority can be dead wrong too. Example: the majority gleefully cheered for Hitler. Obama handed Trump a good economy (after cleaning up after Republican Bush) and he fucked it up. Biden is also handing him a strong economy having a soft landing from inflationary pressures (that was caused by the pandemic and not Biden). What's Trump going to do? Certain he will fuck that up as well, among many other embarrassing flubs and fuck ups. Why so sure? Because the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior! Republicans run the economy into the ground with their tax cuts for the rich and bullshit "trickle down voodoo" economics. Then Democrats come in and clean it up. It's clearly a thankless job!
Incredible, US have no brain, to forget he didn't respect law nor constitution nor democracy, leading to 6 January 2021 after all his bullshits about dominion. Then, many Repubicans like Pence resisted to his pressure with his mafia like Guliani, in order to respect constitution he doesn't even know and care about. When most Republicans with brain voted for Republicans but not for Trump, US will be now governed by his mafia including now Musk who bought people for him. For our world, let s hope his life will now be very short and same for Putin. Problem is not Republicans, but mafia Trump who fucked deeply US who believed him.
Skyrocketing mortgage interest rates is a good start. But not nearly enough.
Mr. President. Sir. Where are the jobs?
Where are the tariffs?
Remember, Promises Kept?
Day one. No golf. "Turn this economy around". IMMEDIATELY. No later than January 21,2025. This is an EMERGENCY!
[B]Trump's proposed tariffs could raise prices for consumers and slow spending.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/06/trump-proposed-tariffs-consumer-prices.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]For retailers and consumers finally feeling some relief from inflation, President-elect Donald Trumps tariffs proposal introduces fresh uncertainty around how prices could change during his presidency, analysts said Wednesday.
Trump, who NBC News projects won a second term in a decisive victory, said during his presidential campaign that he would impose a 10% to 20% tariff on all imports, including tariffs as high as 60% to 100% for goods from China.
Companies, retail trade groups and industry analysts have warned the move could fuel higher prices on a wide range of Americans purchases such as sneakers and party supplies.
"The adoption of across-the-board tariffs on consumer goods and other non-strategic imports amounts to a tax on American families, National Retail Federation CEO Matthew Shay said in a statement Wednesday. It will drive inflation and price increases and will result in job losses.
Earlier this week, the NRF released a study on the impact of Trumps proposed tariff increases and said they would lead to dramatic double-digit-percentage price spikes in nearly all six retail categories that the trade group examines. Those categories are apparel, footwear, furniture, household appliances, travel goods, and toys.
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Despite Trumps assertions to the contrary, tariffs are paid by the companies or entities importing goods and not by the countries themselves. This means the cost of buying products from overseas, whether directly or as an input for manufacturing, would rise sharply, said Saunders.
Given the trade between Chinese manufacturers and US retailers, a strict tariff policy would mean retailers initially either taking a massive hit on profits or being forced to put up prices, which would fuel inflation and dampen retail volume growth, he said.
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Deep discounters, such as Dollar Tree, are also exposed because their fixed-price-point business model makes it difficult to pass on higher prices to customers, said Peter Keith, a senior research analyst at Piper Sandler. The store, which sells discretionary items like toys and party hats, imports many of its items from China and has set prices of $1.25. That means the company needs to either absorb higher costs or shake up its price point model altogether, he said.
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"If we get tariffs, we will pass those tariff costs back to the consumer, AutoZone CEO Philip Daniele said on an earnings call in late September. He said the company typically hikes prices ahead of tariffs going into effect.
Customers could also pay more for a six-pack of beer, a bottle of Scotch, or even a pack of Oreos, thanks to tariffs.
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Shoes for adults and kids would cost more, too, if Trumps proposed tariffs go into effect, said Matt Priest, CEO of Footwear Distributors and Retailers of America, a trade group that counts Nike, Walmart and others as members.
About 99% of all footwear sold in the U.S. is made overseas, he said, and it would be difficult to move a meaningful chunk of that production back to the States, even if a cost penalty is tacked on.
Count us skeptical that theres a pathway for us to figure out how to make two and a half billion pairs of shoes in the U.S. every year, he said.
"The rate of inflation is declining, he said. It would be counterproductive to then turn around and go back to pulling one of those inflationary levers, which would be additional tariffs, at a time when the consumers telling all of us, both politically on last nights results, as well as from a consumer perspective: We dont want higher prices.[/QUOTE]Donnie, your voters demand that you keep this promise and enact it on day one.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2958896]Be happy for me. I thought I was going to be choking on sheep turds this Thanksgiving.
Trump won in a landslide victory. He created a new following for the Republican Party. I was at the rally in the South Bronx. There were people from all walks of life and colors. Everyone was tolerant and supportive of each other. The vibe was upbeat and positive.
No more vile protests shutting down universities. No free rides for criminals on the taxpayers dime. Focus is on America and Americans.
They tried to destroy this guy by any means necessary even attempted murder. Yet he continued defiant and strong giving the ultimate F you response by overcoming the challenges and rising to the top once again.
An American hero. He will be remembered as one of America's political icons forever..[/QUOTE]But he is my Living God!
Post-script nicely stated.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2958941]Incredible, US have no brain, to forget he didn't respect law nor constitution nor democracy, leading to 6 January 2021 after all his bullshits about dominion. Then, many Repubicans like Pence resisted to his pressure with his mafia like Guliani, in order to respect constitution he doesn't even know and care about. When most Republicans with brain voted for Republicans but not for Trump, US will be now governed by his mafia including now Musk who bought people for him. For our world, let s hope his life will now be very short and same for Putin. Problem is not Republicans, but mafia Trump who fucked deeply US who believed him.[/QUOTE]It really never ends LOL. Trump could literally save the Planet from world war 3, Alien invasion, and an asteroids strike in the same month and Dems will still find something to complain about. Give the man a chance and wait until he actually does something fucked up to call him out on.
Here are some examples of the Biden failures.
1. Pull out of Middle East failure.
2. Closed pipe line costing 50,000 jobs in PA. Probably cost him those electorals too, but he had to bend the knee to the deep state.
3. Supply chain issues.
4. 20% inflation year over year.
5. Allowed corporate America to take over real estate, can't buy a home.
6. 80,000 open border fentanyl deaths a year.
7. Sky high violent crime rates and then pass legislation to eliminate harsh penalties for criminals.
8. Gets bullied by Union bosses driving up costs for consumers.
9. Use our tax Dollars to Protect Europe from Russia while Europe treats us like shit and shames us into giving them more money for NATO.
10. Israel.
That's just all I can remember off the top of my head. Wait for Trump to have some sort of failure similar to those and then you can start you complain train. If there was ever a country I wouldn't mind going to war with, its France! Their liberal feminine strange culture ruined the west. Macron literally married a 90 year old wMAN to get elected. That is the most pathetic politician of my life time. Even worse than Biden and his junkie son.
All the meaningless arguments over. Hope some people learned their lessons. Now let's unite the World!
I see the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media pundits are blathering their usual trashing of the Dem Party, their "failures" to understand this or that, their ineffective campaign strategies and tactics, losing touch with the American people and all that while praising the genius of Trump, the connection Repubs have with the American people, how Trump got it that this economy sucks while Harris didn't and all that.
However, this is what happened in terms of 2024 voter turnout:
[B]Trumps victory and his improvements all across the country.
Compared with 2020, a greater share of votes were cast in red areas.
Nov. 6, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/11/06/2024-election-results-live-coverage-updates-analysis/trump-harris-turnout-counties-00188064[/URL]
[QUOTE]Overall turnout numbers will continue to tick upward over the remaining weeks as additional ballots are reported.[b] But the disparities in the current results are clear in suggesting a strong performance from the GOPs base, and lower turnout from Democrats.[/b]
The shifts were not entirely uniform: Turnout did not drop as much in Democratic strongholds in the battlegrounds, perhaps a sign that the partys campaign apparatuses and the significant attention paid to the election in those states still drove the partys base. In Wisconsin, for example, turnout in Milwaukee and Dane counties roughly matched 2020 numbers.[/QUOTE]The history of Dem vs Repub voter turnout for the most part shows Dems turning out to vote more than Repubs during times of verifiable, objectively identifiable economic distress while Repubs turn out to vote more than Dems after being riled up by irrational fear, hate and sucker social issues spun by their Party's con men along with their perennial election benefactors in Mainstream Media.
Despite what they give for an easier, lazier answer to the "Which Party / candidate handles the economy better" poll question, the consistent historical fact is the American Electorate does not elect more Repubs to fix the economy when it is indeed crashing down around our ears as it does so often at the end of Repub presidential terms. They vote for more Dems to fix it.
Only when the economy and jobs creation is doing quite well are Dems complacent enough to stay home or to not bother to vote. Like they did this time.
As I pointed out months and months ago, the irony is the greatest threat to an easy re-election of Joe Biden is that in fact his economy is doing too well. That is precisely when voters and particularly Dem voters don't feel a need to race to the polls on election day or bother to vote by any other means. They are fine with how things are. Oh, they LOVE to complain about it, about the price of everything. But their habitual complaints about those things don't translate into being so concerned about it they must vote to change it.
Kamala Harris lost while Trump benefitted from those circumstances this year the same way Hillary Clinton lost while Trump benefitted in 2016. At the end of Obama's presidency, the economy was doing quite fine and everyone knew it.
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections[/URL]
That's why more Repubs than Dems came out to vote this time around and the only reason Trump was carried into a win on a Red wave. Period. Sorry.
People have always complained about the price of bacon and eggs. Yet, plenty of bacon and eggs are bought and eaten every year.
Considering wages have far out-paced the typical American worker's purchasing power of 2019, adjusted for inflation (thanks to Blue Cities in Blue States raising the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, the ripple effect from that into higher wage earners and the brave and brilliant Biden recovery from Trump's Pandemic), the reason fewer Dems showed up to vote this year was simply because their financial situation is quite alright today, thank you very much. As it also is for Repubs. But Repubs were riled up to vote by con man Trump based on irrational fear, hatred and the usual sucker social issues than can always be relied on to rile up Repub suckers.
It would be interesting to see how many Propositions on ballots around the country requiring additional expenditures to fund this or that also passed just fine this year compared to, say, 2008 and 2020. That would be because voters know they can afford it. Thanks, Joe.
And now you know the REST of the story.
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2958823]My portfolio is already up quite nicely! Trump doesn't need to pass any legislation. His presence alone will spur investment and a stronger economy. I just sold my Lockheed Martin and bought big into Tesla and its already paying off. No more wars and new tech is the way to go. America spoke, WE WANT money! Trump will deliver.
That being said, let's hope he keeps his bullshit to a minimum and does focus on unifying the country through success and does the things he was elected to do. I will be the first to criticize him when and if he fails. First thing he has to do is end this bullshit in Ukraine with his boy Putin and this will win over NATO and Europe. Then parlay that success and use the momentum to end the conflict in Israel. Netanyau will bend the knee in a split second if we threaten to pull support. He'll be quick to make a deal. By solving those two problems the world won't be able to ignore the power of the Orange Giant LOL and he can use that to his advantage in getting some trade deals done with China. America is going to love those dirt cheap imports or we buy American and spur domestic manufacturing. Either way we we'll win.
Border does need to be secured, but hopefully he doesn't deport all the illegals. I didn't want to say this before the election, but they are great for the economy. Cheap labor and 30 million extras consumers and all the natives have to do is invest in Corporate America and we can't lose. Next four years will be known as the "TRUE" roaring twenties. Here comes the boom!
To all the Dems like Tooms, sorry for your loss boys. I was never one to kick a man when he is down. Look on the bright side, In four years we get to do it all over again.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly with most of it. I hope you're right, that he'll use the tariffs as a negotiating tool to promote free trade, instead of a closing America to imports.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2958834]
Let's be clear, if Trump succeeds, it will not be about his winning strategy, but the Democrats' losing one. They handed it to him on a platter.
They kept on telling struggling Americans that the economy was good. Despite the entire nation being hurt by inflation. End of quote.
The Biden economy has been great for the stock owning and home owning elite but for everyone else? Not so much. It turns out people can do math and see their prices up every damned day and they have less money in their bank accounts.[/QUOTE]
Another great one.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958745]I was taught its a White Mans World!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Actually I'm celebrating the defeat of old white men, Democrats Jon Tester, Sherrod Brown, and Bob Casey. And the victory of one old white woman, Republican Deb Fischer. Republicans will control the Senate! Unfortunately American Hero Mitch McConnell, who's retiring, won't be leading them next year. It's almost certain Republicans will control the House too, a fact not recognized by many Democrats. Joy Reid on MSNBC still thinks Hakeem Jeffries will be the next Speaker of the House!
Trump's a mixed bag. I couldn't vote for him, because of his character and his election meddling in 2020/2021. But he will promote deregulation and rational taxation. Hopefully he'll play a part in bringing peace to Ukraine. On the other hand, he's a spendthrift. A Harris presidency and Republican Congress would perhaps be less likely to run big deficits. But maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel on that. Trump said Elon Musk will engineer cuts to save the federal government $2 trillion a year. Ojala!
The main reason for the "Hahahahahaha" though was that Tooms' and Spidy's belief that the American economy is in great shape because of Democrats was firmly rejected by the majority of American voters.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958824]What is KKKK? Ku -Klux- Klan- something?[/QUOTE]Yeah, Trump's Papa Smurf, was a member of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), glad you're paying attention!
Funny you ask, as your KKK comment, is used prolifically, by another member of your MAGA ISG cohorts, perhaps you should ask them, n'est-ce pas? [i][b](...kkkk!) See the difference?[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2958824]LOL a great economy? 10,000 jobs last month --High Inflation-- I guess the Majority of voters are just Dummies and Spidee is a Genius--LMAO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2958834]Not even one day after being wrong about anything do you eat any humble pie. Of course it is the same old bullshit with you and all them. Oh we were all wrong about Trump winning? Never mind.
Maybe shut up and figure out what you got wrong before popping off again. How about that? [/QUOTE]You guys can bloviate, all you want, in the face of a trifecta. Less excuses for MAGA, to hide behind, when enviably shit doesn't get done and the "know nothing", "do nothing" MAGA congress show up.
So enjoy the win, the REAL work (not shooting off your mouth prematurely), for Repubs/MAGA to [I][b]"run the country into the ground",[/b][/I] starts very soon!
But I'm really hoping, this time around for Repubs and MAGA, it'll be different and won't be the case? Here's to hoping!
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2959004]It really never ends LOL. Trump could literally save the Planet from world war 3, Alien invasion, and an asteroids strike in the same month and Dems will still find something to complain about. Give the man a chance and wait until he actually does something fucked up to call him out on.
Here are some examples of the Biden failures.
1. Pull out of Middle East failure.
2. Closed pipe line costing 50,000 jobs in PA. Probably cost him those electorals too, but he had to bend the knee to the deep state.
3. Supply chain issues.
4. 20% inflation year over year.
5. Allowed corporate America to take over real estate, can't buy a home.
6. 80,000 open border fentanyl deaths a year.[/QUOTE]Yes, biggest Democrats mistake was to not prosecute such crazy dangerous playing clown.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959037]Actually I'm celebrating the defeat of old white men, Democrats Jon Tester, Sherrod Brown, and Bob Casey. And the victory of one old white woman, Republican Deb Fischer. Republicans will control the Senate! Unfortunately American Hero Mitch McConnell, who's retiring, won't be leading them next year. It's almost certain Republicans will control the House too, a fact not recognized by many Democrats. Joy Reid on MSNBC still thinks Hakeem Jeffries will be the next Speaker of the House!
Trump's a mixed bag. I couldn't vote for him, because of his character and his election meddling in 2020/2021. But he will promote deregulation and rational taxation. Hopefully he'll play a part in bringing peace to Ukraine. On the other hand, he's a spendthrift. A Harris presidency and Republican Congress would perhaps be less likely to run big deficits. But maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel on that. Trump said Elon Musk will engineer cuts to save the federal government $2 trillion a year. Ojala!.[/QUOTE]I really hope you voted for the gay dude with the loaded gun for you.
And congrats you might just actually be even worse than ET and Spidy with your toxicity.
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-response-presidential-election/story?id=115582079[/URL]
NOW The DNC can suck Willie Brown 24/7 w / Harris.
Whilst MAGA bulldozes all their BULLSHIT.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959037]On the other hand, he's a spendthrift. But maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel on that. Trump said Elon Musk will engineer cuts to save the federal government $2 trillion a year. Ojala![/QUOTE]Do you really believe that? Because if you do here's another hahahahaha! Musk isn't going to do squat! He'll soon find out that running a big country is not like running a big business. Just like Trump did. In fact, with both men being headstrong individuals with huge egos, I expect there to be a major falling out between them at some point before it's all over. Will be funny as hell is Trump gets banned from Twitter / X again LOL!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959022]I see the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media pundits are blathering their usual trashing of the Dem Party, their "failures" to understand this or that, their ineffective campaign strategies and tactics, losing touch with the American people and all that while praising the genius of Trump, the connection Repubs have with the American people, how Trump got it that this economy sucks while Harris didn't and all that.
However, this is what happened in terms of 2024 voter turnout:
[B]Trumps victory and his improvements all across the country.
Compared with 2020, a greater share of votes were cast in red areas.
Nov. 6, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/11/06/2024-election-results-live-coverage-updates-analysis/trump-harris-turnout-counties-00188064[/URL]
The history of Dem vs Repub voter turnout for the most part shows Dems turning out to vote more than Repubs during times of verifiable, objectively identifiable economic distress while Repubs turn out to vote more than Dems after being riled up by irrational fear, hate and sucker social issues spun by their Party's con men along with their perennial election benefactors in Mainstream Media.
Despite what they give for an easier, lazier answer to the "Which Party / candidate handles the economy better" poll question, the consistent historical fact is the American Electorate does not elect more Repubs to fix the economy when it is indeed crashing down around our ears as it does so often at the end of Repub presidential terms. They vote for more Dems to fix it.
Only when the economy and jobs creation is doing quite well are Dems complacent enough to stay home or to not bother to vote. Like they did this time..[/QUOTE][URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-response-presidential-election/story?id=115582079[/URL]
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2959004]It really never ends LOL. Trump could literally save the Planet from world war 3, Alien invasion, and an asteroids strike in the same month and Dems will still find something to complain about. Give the man a chance and wait until he actually does something fucked up to call him out on.
Here are some examples of the Biden failures.
1. Pull out of Middle East failure.
2. Closed pipe line costing 50,000 jobs in PA. Probably cost him those electorals too, but he had to bend the knee to the deep state..[/QUOTE][B]Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover.[/B]
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-leave-office-worst-jobs-030044152.html[/URL]
He added Trillions to the deficit for this:
[B]Six years later, more evidence shows the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act benefits U.S. business owners and executives, not average workers.
Dec. 20, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://equitablegrowth.org/six-years-later-more-evidence-shows-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-benefits-u-s-business-owners-and-executives-not-average-workers/[/URL]
And then he gave the world this and added Trillions more to the deficit for it:
[B]Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak.
March 26, 2020[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/[/URL]
[B]Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised.[/B]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-virus-outbreak-barack-obama-public-health-ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a[/URL]
[B]Under Fire For Coronavirus Response, Trump Officials Defend Disbanding Pandemic Team.[/B]
[URL]https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/[/URL]
BTW, Trump himself admitted if we'd only gotten a heads up about those emerging COVID cases "two months earlier, we could have stopped it easily. " Meanwhile, Trump was more responsible than any other person on the planet for more responsible parties NOT getting that heads up "two months earlier ".
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Talking to Woodward on March 19, 2020, Trump said Barron, then 13, asked what was going on and he answered: I said, it came out of China, Barron. Pure and simple. It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, [b]they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.[/b][/QUOTE]Are you really going [URL]to.com[/URL]pare Biden leading the most effective and least deadly withdrawal in military history from an occupied country at war by the losing side with only one (1) suicide bomber getting past Trump's Talaban victors' security responsibilities to tragically kill 13 USA Military personnel to Trump's historically disastrous ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic with the result of mass murdering at least 1 million Americans so far along with all of the millions of jobs wiped out, business and school closures, the supply-chain collapse hyper-inflation, skyrocketing prices and opportunistic corporate price gouging that inevitably followed?
And that is in addition to the fact that your list of total nonsense can not be remotely substantiated to be a Biden failure or transgression anyway.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958936]Anybody being objective knows that the Boeing strike and the storms greatly impacted new job growth negatively. And inflation is back down from its highs. Those are objective facts. And the majority can be dead wrong too. Example: the majority gleefully cheered for Hitler. Obama handed Trump a good economy (after cleaning up after Republican Bush) and he fucked it up. Biden is also handing him a strong economy having a soft landing from inflationary pressures (that was caused by the pandemic and not Biden). What's Trump going to do? Certain he will fuck that up as well, among many other embarrassing flubs and fuck ups. Why so sure? Because the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior! [b]Republicans run the economy into the ground with their tax cuts for the rich and bullshit "trickle down voodoo" economics.[/b] Then Democrats come in and clean it up. It's clearly a thankless job![/QUOTE]Exactly Right!
That does seem to be the Repub cycle of "governing" and their modus operandi. The proof will be in the pudding, with what they do now with yet another GREAT Dems economy, gifted to them.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2959038]You guys can bloviate....[/QUOTE]Spidy's definition of bloviate: conflicts with my political position and is not simple minded
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958971]But he is my Living God!
Post-script nicely stated.[/QUOTE]MDS, you have to clean up your inbox.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2958935]Today, Kamala Harris proved herself to be a "Better Man" than Putin's Bottom Donnie Trump, Moscow Mitch, Lindsey Nellie Graham, Little Marco and every other Repub ever has in their lives.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2024/11/04/report-controversial-algerian-olympic-boxer-has-internal-testes-micropenis-xy-chromosomes/[/URL]
Here's a must read for you!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-white-young-men.html[/URL]
Mr. Trump offered a regressive idea of masculinity in which power over women is a birthright.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2959070]Exactly Right!
That does seem to be the Repub cycle of "governing" and their modus operandi. The proof will be in the pudding, with what they do now with yet another GREAT Dems economy, gifted to them.[/QUOTE]I clearly remember some monsters cheering for the butchering of even more babies.
Post-script I live down the street from a Planned Parenthood in downtown Chicago.
When I walk past I usually see a line of cars in front with "Brothas" sitting in their cars smoking etc with the hazards going.
Waiting for their hos to come out.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2959005]All the meaningless arguments over. Hope some people learned their lessons. Now let's unite the World![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/11/07/democrats-rage-at-george-clooney-for-pushing-biden-out-following-trumps-blowout-victory-its-all-his-fault/[/URL]
I said Scumbag Joe played a smart power move, handing retard Harris the nomination before the DNC could anoint someone that might of had a shot at stopping orange man, like Gavin.
But Scumbag Nancy Carville Scumbag Barry and Clooney conspired to ass fuck Joe, how long was Joe in the DNC 50 yrs? That was a seriously Scumbag move, and he made them regret it.
Orange man takes the White House and his very long coat tails carry along the House and the Senate (and a red SCOTUS) Allahu Akbar.
Many Thanks to all the Scumbags that helped make it all possible.
Post-script I truly believe in giving credit when credit is DUE.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958857]Shes a very disgusting very high mileage 60yr old even worse those Ive seen in the south end of Sante Fe LMAO
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/11/a-stunning-victory/
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/06/fleischer-a-life-saving-election-result-for-jews-who-care-about-israel/[/QUOTE]She was quite a cock sucker when she was young. It may be the only thing she was ever good at!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958936]Anybody being objective knows that the Boeing strike and the storms greatly impacted new job growth negatively. And inflation is back down from its highs. Those are objective facts. And the majority can be dead wrong too. Example: the majority gleefully cheered for Hitler. Obama handed Trump a good economy (after cleaning up after Republican Bush) and he fucked it up. Biden is also handing him a strong economy having a soft landing from inflationary pressures (that was caused by the pandemic and not Biden). What's Trump going to do? Certain he will fuck that up as well, among many other embarrassing flubs and fuck ups. Why so sure? Because the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior! Republicans run the economy into the ground with their tax cuts for the rich and bullshit "trickle down voodoo" economics. Then Democrats come in and clean it up. It's clearly a thankless job![/QUOTE]Objective facts without any links huh?
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in 2018 that the 2017 law would cost $1. 9 trillion over ten years. That is a $190 billion a year or what Biden spent on Ukraine for a lunch break. You are damned right I want my tax breaks over money flowing to Ukraine to "weaken" Putin whatever the fuck that means.
In comparison, Biden's ridiculous budget deficits caused interest rates to soar, and the interest due on the debt is now at $1. 1 trillion per year or 5 X more than the tax cuts.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958936]Obama handed Trump a good economy (after cleaning up after Republican Bush) and he fucked it up. [/QUOTE]Bullshit! You Democratic douches appointed Fauci God and used him to pummel Trump and the economy into submission with Covid. The economy was great until that point. You used Covid as it means to get rid of Trump at the cost of trillions.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2958936]Biden is also handing him a strong economy having a soft landing from inflationary pressures[/QUOTE]Inflation you Democratic douches caused with your insane Covid policies. You dumb douches pull this never mind bullshit about your inflationary Covid policies when you caused inflation to begin with. You do not get credit from me for fixing a problem you created.
$1. 1 trillion in interest payments on the debt, and billions more for Ukraine and Israel versus $190 billion per year in tax cuts? Cane, you are a typical Democrat douche liar.
I thought you guaranteed Trump was going to lose. You got the balls to admit you were wrong about that too?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2959038]So enjoy the win, the REAL work (not shooting off your mouth prematurely), for Repubs/MAGA to [I][b]"run the country into the ground",[/b][/I] starts very soon!
But I'm really hoping, this time around for Repubs and MAGA, it'll be different and won't be the case? Here's to hoping![/QUOTE]LOL. Spidey, the one thing everyone here knows is that no matter what Trump does, you and Tooms are going to gripe about it. Hell, you two douches and Cane are already lying about how great the economy was. If the Biden / Harris economy was so fucking great, why did Harris lose?
The consensus is this election is definitive proof that 2020 was stolen.
The American people would never fire Trump in 2020 and then turn around reelect him 4 years later (with almost 5 million more votes than the ho) after all the drama of the last 4 years.
Its extremely obvious he won in 2020 just like he did in 2016 and 2024.
BTW where the fuck is that worthless piece of shit Pelosi that helped push Scumbag Joe on the tracks??
To further bolster my observation and conclusion that the Red Wave that addle-brained Trump rode on to election victory was nothing more than the usual pattern of Dems staying home or not bothering to vote when they are perfectly fine with how things are going with their financial situation despite what they "think" and say to each other and pollsters about it in general (as in, everyone always complaining about the price of everything despite their ongoing ability to pay for it, almost everyone I ever knew in my life living paycheck to paycheck, etc), that pattern being when Dem POTUS economic results have fully recovered us and then some from the recent Historic Great Repub Economic Disaster, the electorate gets complacent and open to whatever lies and sucker social issues Repubs must run on to win anything, see 2008 vs 2016 vs 2020 vs 2024, even Trump's Repub Fed Chairman Powell is refusing to buy Trump's Repub bullshit about this economy being "the worst ever" or a dire emergency that requires dire measures or any such thing.
Of course, Dem voters are less susceptible to that Repub bullshit while Repub voters are the biggest suckers on the planet and just gobble it up with bigger gulps under the current Repub Leader Con Man than most, racing to the polls in order to vote against their and America's best interests.
This time, even Trump's own Repub Fed Chairman appointee is so terrified of Trump's plans and Promises To Keep for this Envy of the World Recovery and Economy that he and Biden-Harris worked so hard to create he is defiantly and publicly opposing any potential move by idiot Trump to fire and replace him with god-knows-who utterly unfit replacement:
[B]Fed meeting recap: Powell 'feeling good' about economy, says Trump can't legally fire him.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/07/fed-meeting-live-updates-traders-anticipate-november-rate-cut.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[B]Powell says he would not resign as Fed chief if Trump asked for his resignation.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/07/powell-trump.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959082]
[B]Are you really disclosing here that she is actually a he? Cock and balls and all?[/b]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2024/11/04/report-controversial-algerian-olympic-boxer-has-internal-testes-micropenis-xy-chromosomes/[/URL]
Here's a must read for you!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-white-young-men.html[/URL]
Mr. Trump offered a regressive idea of masculinity in which power over women is a birthright.[/QUOTE]Well, certainly bigger ones than Trump and any other Repub, despite her being a fully natural born female.
Yes, she is a "Better Man" and provably a more Patriotic American than Trump, his Repub ass-lickers and fellow Putin swallowers have ever been.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959052]
[b] MAGA is a big tent but like I said before we dont want or need your vile vote[/b]
I really hope you voted for the gay dude with the loaded gun for you.
And congrats you might just actually be even worse than ET and Spidy with your toxicity.
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-response-presidential-election/story?id=115582079[/URL]
NOW The DNC can suck Willie Brown 24/7 w / Harris.
Whilst MAGA bulldozes all their BULLSHIT.[/QUOTE]I love you too Marquis.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959068][URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-response-presidential-election/story?id=115582079[/URL][/QUOTE]As you know I voted for him a couple times.
Trump needs to hire him ASAP.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959082][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2024/11/04/report-controversial-algerian-olympic-boxer-has-internal-testes-micropenis-xy-chromosomes/[/URL]
Here's a must read for you!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-white-young-men.html[/URL]
Mr. Trump offered a regressive idea of masculinity in which power over women is a birthright.[/QUOTE]BTW I am a huge fan of Hegemonic Masculinity!! No Beta Cucks Allowed!!
[QUOTE=DCups;2959103]She was quite a cock sucker when she was young. It may be the only thing she was ever good at![/QUOTE]But I can tell you one thing, I don't care how well a ho can blow me if she's ugly like her, I'm not even getting hard (she better be thin and very pretty and between 18-20).
Have you seen pictures of her 40 yrs ago, she's just as ugly as she is today (and 40 yrs older) if not worse!!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959128]The consensus is this election is definitive proof that 2020 was stolen.
The American people would never fire Trump in 2020 and then turn around reelect him 4 years later (with almost 5 million more votes than the ho) after all the drama of the last 4 years.
Its extremely obvious he won in 2020 just like he did in 2016 and 2024.
BTW where the fuck is that worthless piece of shit Pelosi that helped push Scumbag Joe on the tracks??[/QUOTE]Your LAS has admitted himself he lost the election, and on more than one occasion. The jig is up, go with the program already.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959068][URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-response-presidential-election/story?id=115582079[/URL][/QUOTE]Did Bernie Sanders come to the conclusion that "Democrats abandoned the working class" while he was being trampled over by lying congressional Repubs rushing to the ribbon-cuttings to take undeserved credit for job-creating, wage-increaseng American Working Class projects that Biden and the Dems passed and made a reality despite those same Repubs voting against them?
LOL. Preposterous. Bernie is wrong, of course. As usual.
The Democratic Party and its President Biden created more jobs and raised more wages and purchasing power for the American Working Class in just the past 7 years than all the Repubs combined since 1858, the year the Repub Party began.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959163]I love you too Marquis.[/QUOTE]Didn't your man crush Oliver get less votes than RFK that begged people not to vote for him and dropped out of the race several months ago LMFAO.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959128]The consensus is this election is definitive proof that 2020 was stolen.
The American people would never fire Trump in 2020 and then turn around reelect him 4 years later (with almost 5 million more votes than the ho) after all the drama of the last 4 years.
Its extremely obvious he won in 2020 just like he did in 2016 and 2024.
BTW where the fuck is that worthless piece of shit Pelosi that helped push Scumbag Joe on the tracks??[/QUOTE]Let me guess, it was illegal immigrants voting for Biden in 2020 that allowed him to "steal the election". You know, the ones who the Dems let in "for their votes," right?
But somehow, mysteriously and magically, after letting in millions more immigrants over the past 3 1/2 years supposedly so they can vote for Dems, every one of them amongst a 19% decline in Dem voter turnout, decided to vote for Trump?
Lolol. Well thought out. Who were you having these conversations with? The same Loony MAGAs who think the Stock Market is at an all-time low, the unemployment rate is at an all-time high and that Americans routinely drop off their sons at school and pick them up later as daughters?
The New York Times post-election editorial:
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-wins.html[/URL]
[B]America Makes a Perilous Choice
Nov. 6, 2024[/B]
American voters have made the choice to return Donald Trump to the White House, setting the nation on a precarious course that no one can fully foresee.
The founders of this country recognized the possibility that voters might someday elect an authoritarian leader and wrote safeguards into the Constitution, including powers granted to two other branches of government designed to be a check on a president who would bend and break laws to serve his own ends. And they enacted a set of rights most crucially the First Amendment for citizens to assemble, speak and protest against the words and actions of their leader.
Over the next four years, Americans must be cleareyed about the threat to the nation and its laws that will come from its 47th president and be prepared to exercise their rights in defense of the country and the people, laws, institutions and values that have kept it strong.
It can't be ignored that millions of Americans voted for a candidate even some of his closest supporters acknowledge to be deeply flawed convinced that he was more likely to change and fix what they regarded as the nation's urgent problems: high prices, an infusion of immigrants, a porous southern border and economic policies that have flowed unequally through society. Some cast their votes out of a profound dissatisfaction with the status quo, politics or the state of American institutions more broadly.
Whatever drove this decision among these voters, however, all Americans should now be wary of an incoming Trump administration that is likely to put a top priority on amassing unchecked power and punishing its perceived enemies, both of which Mr. Trump has repeatedly vowed to do. All Americans, regardless of their party or politics, should insist that the fundamental pillars of the nation's democracy including constitutional checks and balances, fair-minded federal prosecutors and judges, an impartial election system and basic civil rights be preserved against an assault that he has already begun and has said he would continue.
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At this point, there can be no illusions about who Donald Trump is and how he intends to govern. He showed us in his first term and in the years after he left office that he has no respect for the law, let alone the values, norms and traditions of democracy. As he takes charge of the world's most powerful state, he is transparently motivated only by the pursuit of power and the preservation of the cult of personality he has built around himself. These stark assessments are striking in part because they are held not just by his critics but also by those who served most closely with him.
We are a nation that has always emerged from a crucible with its ideals intact and often toughened and sharpened. The institutions of our government, hardened by nearly 250 years of disputation, turmoil, assassinations and wars, held firm when Mr. Trump assailed them four years ago. And Americans know how to counter Mr. Trump's worst instincts actions that were unjust, immoral or illegal because they did so, over and over, during his first administration. Civil servants, members of Congress, members of his own party and people he appointed to high office often stood in the way of the former president's plans, and other institutions of our society, including the free press and independent law enforcement agencies, held him accountable to the public.
Mr. Trump and his movement have all but taken over the Republican Party. Yet it is also important to remember that Mr. Trump can't run for another term. From the day he enters the White House, he will be, in effect, a lame-duck president. The Constitution limits him to two terms. Congress has the power and for some ambitious Republicans, perhaps the political incentive to set a course away from Mr. Trump's antidemocratic agenda, if it chooses to pursue it.
Governors and legislatures across the nation have spent months shoring up their state laws and Constitutions to protect civil rights and liberties, including access to reproductive and gender-affirming health care. Even states that voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump, including Kentucky, Ohio and Kansas, have rejected the most extreme positions on abortion. Other institutions of American civil society will play a crucial role in challenging the Trump administration in the courts, in our communities and in the protests that are sure to return.
The rest of the world, too, has no illusions about the leader who will soon again represent the United States on the world stage. The countries of the NATO alliance were shocked, during the first Trump administration, by his willingness to undermine that long and valuable partnership. But European nations, defying Mr. Trump's predictions, not only came together with the United States in the face of Russia's invasion of Ukraine but also expanded their ranks right up to Russia's border.
For the Democratic Party, rear-guard action as the political opposition will not be enough. The party must also take a hard look at why it lost the election. It took too long to recognize that President Biden was not capable of running for a second term. It took too long to recognize that large swaths of Democrats' progressive agenda were alienating voters, including some of the most loyal supporters of their party. And Democrats have struggled for three elections now to settle on a persuasive message that resonates with Americans from both parties who have lost faith in the system which pushed skeptical voters toward the more obviously disruptive figure, even though a large majority of Americans acknowledge his serious faults. If the Democrats are to effectively oppose Mr. Trump, it must be not just through resisting his worst impulses but also by offering a vision of what they would do to improve the lives of all Americans and respond to anxieties that people have about the direction of the country and how they would change it.
The test for members of this new Congress will begin soon after they take their oath. The president-elect has promised to surround himself in his second term with enablers prepared to pledge loyalty to him, who will be willing to do whatever he commands. But a president needs the Senate to approve many of those appointments. Senators can stop the most extreme or unqualified candidates from taking cabinet positions like defense secretary and attorney general, as well as seats on the Supreme Court and the federal bench. They can act to keep clearly unfit candidates from holding any powerful position. The Senate did that in 2020, when it blocked Mr. Trump's attempts to seat unqualified people on the board of the Federal Reserve, and the chamber should not hesitate to do so again.
Perhaps the most important responsibility lies with all of those who will serve in a second Trump administration. Those he appoints as attorney general, as secretary of defense and to other top leadership roles should expect that he may ask them to carry out illegal acts or violate their oaths to the Constitution on his behalf, as he did in his first term. We urge them to recognize that whatever pledge of loyalty he may demand, their first loyalty is to their country. Standing up to Mr. Trump is possible, and it is the duty of every American public servant when appropriate.
But the final responsibility for ensuring the continuity of America's enduring values lies with its voters. Those who supported Mr. Trump in this election should closely observe his conduct in office to see if it matches their hopes and expectations, and if it does not, they should make their disappointment known and cast votes in the 2026 midterms and in 2028 to put the country back on course. Those who opposed him should not hesitate to raise alarms when he abuses his power, and if he attempts to use government power to retaliate against critics, the world will be watching.
Benjamin Franklin famously admonished the American people that the nation was "a republic, if you can keep it. " Mr. Trump's election poses a grave threat to that republic, but he will not determine the long-term fate of American democracy. That outcome remains in the hands of the American people. It is the work of the next four years.
Donald Trump, gazing through his Mar-a-Lardo boudoir peep-hole last night:
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959114]LOL. Spidey, the one thing everyone here knows is that no matter what Trump does, you and Tooms are going to gripe about it. Hell, you two douches and Cane are already lying about how great the economy was. If the Biden / Harris economy was so fucking great, why did Harris lose?[/QUOTE]Maybe, because a woman, when latinos and black don t want a woman to govern them, from their middle age mind. Democrats mistake, but they were in hurry to find other than Biden. US need a woman to make them improve, rather than a not clever, only bullshiting Trump, but Democrats should better find a man for 2028 , when US are not ready for a woman.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2959045]Yes, biggest Democrats mistake was to not prosecute such crazy dangerous playing clown.[/QUOTE]When US are less than 5% of our world, for population, but much more for pollution killing many in Florida, Louisiana and California, except Netanyahou and Orban, I think most of our world wish a very short life to Trump, like for Putin.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959168]But I can tell you one thing, I don't care how well a ho can blow me if she's ugly like her, I'm not even getting hard (she better be thin and very pretty and between 18-20).
Have you seen pictures of her 40 yrs ago, she's just as ugly as she is today (and 40 yrs older) if not worse!![/QUOTE]From his behavior with women, I m pretty sure your crazy has a small tool, when he has a frustrated about women, behavior.
Democrats are sore losers. Republicans are bad winners. Good bad or indifferent; [B]the country will get what they voted for[/B].
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959128]The consensus is this election is definitive proof that 2020 was stolen.
The American people would never fire Trump in 2020 and then turn around reelect him 4 years later (with almost 5 million more votes than the ho) after all the drama of the last 4 years.
Its extremely obvious he won in 2020 just like he did in 2016 and 2024.
BTW where the fuck is that worthless piece of shit Pelosi that helped push Scumbag Joe on the tracks??[/QUOTE]Yes, for sure, bad dominion, when Hilary had more votes than him in 2016. But Pence accepted his defeat, when Trump led to kill constitution and democracy. When shooting a ear is more difficult than reaching full face, I could have doubt if it was not just a show: God messenger, which helped him so much. Future will tell reality.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2959176]Your LAS has admitted himself he lost the election, and on more than one occasion. The jig is up, go with the program already.[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959266]Democrats are sore losers. Republicans are bad winners. Good bad or indifferent; [B]the country will get what they voted for[/B].[/QUOTE]What have you heard from Harris, Walz, Biden, Schumer or any other Democratic Party leader that leads you to conclude, "Wow. Democrats are sore losers"?
Has Harris refused to call Trump to congratulate him for his win and failed to tell her supporters she has done that? Has she refused to concede?
Has any one of them claimed "the election was rigged! Stolen! We won't concede"?
Has a losing Democrat anywhere in any contest tweeted a message to his / her supporters to stand down and stand by, we're having a rally at the Capitol, it's going to be wild?
Has Harris called the Secretary of State of any state she lost and insinuated that President Biden might need to apply his newly SCOTUS-granted Royal Immunity to sic Navy SEALs on them if they don't "find" the missing votes she needs to start flipping the election?
Where are you seeing Dems being sore losers? I have not seen any such thing.
But I do agree that the American people will get what they voted for and the 19% or so of Dem voters who decided to sit this one out for whatever reason will get what they allowed to happen. They better get that, all of it or Trump will have apparently broken promises he says he always keeps.
Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media, yes even MSNBC and many, many Democrats are certainly engaging in a whole lot of Revisionist History in order to blame Harris, Walz, Biden and every other Dem for the 19% or so Dem voters who were so satisfied with their financial situation today that they didn't bother to follow the news and vote this time around for the admittedly horrible outcome for America in this election result.
I see Professional Dem Election Victory spoiler, Bernie Sanders, lying about how the Democratic Party has "abandoned the American working class" for the past 30 years or whatever. LOL.
Others are saying this election outcome is something like the culmination of the Dems' decades long loss of connection with the American people, how the American people are "abandoning them back", that Trump and his Repubs just know how America thinks and feels and that is why he and they are winning elections.
I hear hogwash about Dems being out-of-touch and must overhaul their entire Party agenda and philosophy vs Genius, common sense, Real American-whisperers Trump and the Repubs blah blah blah.
Total nonsense.
If any of that were true, how is it that the exact opposite of it was "culminating" in historic fashion at least up until this year and right before this particular election?
Does anybody remember this? Gee, it was barely more than a year ago:
[B]Democrats have been winning big in special elections.
That could bode well for them in the 2024 election.
Sept. 20, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703[/URL]
[QUOTE]"Does that really mean anything? On its own, no any single special election can be influenced by any number of factors, including candidate quality or parochial issues. But Democrats have been posting special-election overperformances of that magnitude all year long, in all kinds of districts. And on average, they have won by margins 11 points higher than the weighted relative partisanship of their districts.
..........
Thats more than just an impressive streak its a potential sign of a Democratic wave election in 2024. In each of the past three election cycles, a partys average overperformance in all special elections in a given cycle has been a close match for the eventual House popular vote in the eventual general election albeit a couple of points better for Democrats.
[B]Special elections can help predict the general election[/b]
The degree to which a party overperformed its partisan baseline in special elections for each cycle from 2017-18 to 2021-22, compared with the eventual national House popular vote in the regularly scheduled general election.
...........
[B]Special elections have been predictive for a long time[/b]
The degree to which a party overperformed its partisan baseline in special elections for each cycle from 1989-90 to 2015-16, compared with the eventual national House popular vote in the regularly scheduled general election.[/QUOTE]Yes, I realize that is not flawlessly predictive of anything. But not only was that happening for Dems but it was happening after 30+ years of Dem presidential candidates winning more votes from Americans in the working class and every other class than the Repub candidate in all but one election. After an already very old Dem candidate and multiple presidential nominee loser won 7,000,000 more votes and the EC majority against an incumbent president, something Trump has still never done at any level, and who even after this recent election got more votes in a presidential election than anyone else in history.
Sorry, but that does not fit the definition of a Party that has lost its touch and connection with the American people and must reassess and overhaul its entire political and governance philosophy.
To be sure, Dems must consider and look into the reason 19% of the Dem voters sat this one out, which is the sole reason Trump squeaked out a 1-3 point advantage in 3-4 battleground states and won the election. And it is the sole reason he will probably squeak out a popular vote win too, something no first term Repub candidate has done since Reagan in 1980! That was 44 years ago!
But I think the typically pro Repub MSM is getting a bit too drunk with giddy excitement over the opportunity to really trash Dems and glorify Trump and Repubs just because 19% of Dem voters were not particularly inspired or motivated to vote this time. Granted, it was at the worst possible time. But it is hardly a culmination of anything or a reason to start behaving more like Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repubs.
Maybe the 19% of Dems who sat it out simply wanted to contribute to making USA presidential history in the first time a convicted Felon was elected president.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2959219]Maybe, because a woman, when latinos and black don t want a woman to govern them, from their middle age mind. Democrats mistake, but they were in hurry to find other than Biden. US need a woman to make them improve, rather than a not clever, only bullshiting Trump, but Democrats should better find a man for 2028 , when US are not ready for a woman.[/QUOTE]Here we go, another soy boy. Kamala lost because of sexism. Of course, that overlooks the fact that female voters outweigh male voters. Just like most of Spidy's dates, many of the women stayed home.
How about women did not like Kamala? Or were just too damned lazy to vote? Don't wory, S, if you pony up all that Trump tax cut cash, I am sure you will find a woman willing to peg you.
Maybe you should say racist America was not ready for a 75% white president.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2959176]Your LAS has admitted himself he lost the election, and on more than one occasion. The jig is up, go with the program already.[/QUOTE]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959332][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL][/QUOTE]MDS, your inbox is full.
Besides the ridiculously rigged vote in 2020, the lawfare campaign and the assassination attempts were from a deep state determined not to let Trump get into power and hide all their illegal activity. Now we see the Democratic legal rats, engaged in the disgusting and real threat to Democracy lawfare campaigns, scurrying to dismiss their cases as fast as possible.
I hope Trump disbars all that legal scum who engaged in the disgusting lawfare campaign and fines the shit out of them.
[B]The Democratic Party got its collective ass handed to them[/B] Because of policy and focus on issues that the average citizen of The United States of America does not give a fuck about!
The United States of America is full of working people. The Democratic Party has forgotten that. They want to tax you until you only have spare change in your pocket and begging for food on the street.
The United States of America is full of people figuring out how to put meat in the pot for dinner. The Democratic Party is focused on the meat between the legs of men who want to be girls.
The United States of America is full of people who are invested in crypto. These are people who have put their money where their mouth is. The Democratic Party ignored the crypto vote. They are focused on building a "Anti Cyrpto" army. The Senator who said that is a Democrat and still holds her seat. In the minority. Oops!
Trump is considered pro crypto. 261 Pro crypto candidates elected to the House of Representatives. 17 Pro crypto candidates elected to the Senate.
[B]Do crypto holders have the attention of the Democratic Party now[/B]?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959266]Democrats are sore losers. Republicans are bad winners. Good bad or indifferent; [B]the country will get what they voted for[/B].[/QUOTE]Yes, the primary voters did a pretty piss poor job of selecting candidates. It's wild isn't it? Trump tried to steal the Presidency four years ago. And he won!
As to Harris, I'll take a couple of excerpts from a post on another political thread on another hooker board. The poster, who's one smart SOB, explains what happened (bold text), and offers solace and advice to the losers. I like his description of how the Democrats left a ticking time bomb (budget deficits) that may explode at about the end of Trump's term. In general this is an excellent political strategy on the part of the Democrats, which over the decades has caused observers like EihTooms to believe Republican stewardship sucks and vice versa. You'll like what he says about the bond vigilanties. That is, how it fits with your thoughts about the merits of Bitcoin.
Here's the excerpt.
"Progressives managed to ratchet up federal government spending very impressively indeed over the last three years, handing the Trump team a very hot potato -- with a trend structural deficit / GDP ratio close to 7%.
What if Republicans mismanage the situation in almost as reckless and irresponsible a fashion as Democrats did in 2021-22? (If history is any guide, that's a real possibility!
Or what if the "bond vigilantes" Yardeni first spoke of way back in the 1980's return from their long sabbatical, precipitating a housing industry fiasco? In that event, it might be pretty difficult for Republicans to hold the house or for J. D. to win the presidency in '28.
That's the beauty of the American system! If one team fucks up and gets fired by the voters, it gets to plan the comeback soon enough. How many times has the political pendulum swung over the last three four decades?
[B]The Blue Team better find a less disastrous candidate, though. Perhaps a Bay Area uber-progressive who's expressed the desire to ban fracking, jettison any semblance of border security, spend money in trillion-dollar chunks on almost every element of an AOC/Bernie-style wish list, and even use public funds to finance sex-change surgery for condemned prisoners just isn't the wisest choice.[/B]
So, Democrats would do well to encourage people like California's "Governor Brylcreem" to stay out of the limelight!"
Yes, this dude's so smart he knows how to spell Brylcreem! I had to look that one up.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959166]BTW I am a huge fan of Hegemonic Masculinity!! No Beta Cucks Allowed!![/QUOTE]Of course you are. And a Sanders voter too. I agree with him on foreign policy and social liberties. But some of his ideas about the economy that attract you would make the USA like France, or worse. Meaning we'd all be poorer, except for the select few who work for the federal government or are too lazy to work.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959350]Here we go, another soy boy. Kamala lost because of sexism. Of course, that overlooks the fact that female voters outweigh male voters. Just like most of Spidy's dates, many of the women stayed home.
How about women did not like Kamala? Or were just too damned lazy to vote? Don't wory, S, if you pony up all that Trump tax cut cash, I am sure you will find a woman willing to peg you.
Maybe you should say racist America was not ready for a 75% white president.[/QUOTE]An old black dood sat next to me a very young white dood sat in front of me sideways, the train is jam packed.
They start talking about the election, the old black dood says I knew he would win, the young guy says yes Sir, never any doubt.
Then the black guy says I would never vote for a female, they just don't have what it takes to run this country.
Then I hear someone say what the fuck did you say?
It was an older black woman I thought she was a man, with a covid mask and very very short hair (a lesbian).
She starts screaming in his face, they are yelling for several minutes.
I thought he was going to blast her ass to the moon ([URL]https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2012/10/12/1630847/[/URL]) and finally he says get the fuk out of here and pushes her to get thru the crowd to get off the train as he is leaving I'm yelling no simpin here with my White Power first in the air and many men are laughing hard!
As I got off the train a few stops later I start yelling again with my first pumping in the air, no fuckin simpin here!! To loud ass laughing.
This was an epic battle of the sexes. Kamala Harris ended her campaign with Beyonc, Oprah and Lady Gaga. Trump and Vance went down the rabbit hole of the bro ecosystem and ended with Joe Rogan's embrace.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/trump-white-young-men.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959410]Yes, the primary voters did a pretty piss poor job of selecting candidates. It's wild isn't it? Trump tried to steal the Presidency four years ago. And he won!
As to Harris, I'll take a couple of excerpts from a post on another political thread on another hooker board. The poster, who's one smart SOB, explains what happened (bold text), and offers solace and advice to the losers. I like his description of how the Democrats left a ticking time bomb (budget deficits) that may explode at about the end of Trump's term. In general this is an excellent political strategy on the part of the Democrats, which over the decades has caused observers like EihTooms to believe Republican stewardship sucks and vice versa. You'll like what he says about the bond vigilanties. That is, how it fits with your thoughts about the merits of Bitcoin.
Here's the excerpt.
"Progressives managed to ratchet up federal government spending very impressively indeed over the last three years, handing the Trump team a very hot potato -- with a trend structural deficit / GDP ratio close to 7%.
What if Republicans mismanage the situation in almost as reckless and irresponsible a fashion as Democrats did in 2021-22? (If history is any guide, that's a real possibility!
Or what if the "bond vigilantes" Yardeni first spoke of way back in the 1980's return from their long sabbatical, precipitating a housing industry fiasco? In that event, it might be pretty difficult for Republicans to hold the house or for J. D. to win the presidency in '28.
That's the beauty of the American system! If one team fucks up and gets fired by the voters, it gets to plan the comeback soon enough. How many times has the political pendulum swung over the last three four decades?
[B]The Blue Team better find a less disastrous candidate, though. Perhaps a Bay Area uber-progressive who's expressed the desire to ban fracking, jettison any semblance of border security, spend money in trillion-dollar chunks on almost every element of an AOC/Bernie-style wish list, and even use public funds to finance sex-change surgery for condemned prisoners just isn't the wisest choice.[/B]
So, Democrats would do well to encourage people like California's "Governor Brylcreem" to stay out of the limelight!"
Yes, this dude's so smart he knows how to spell Brylcreem! I had to look that one up.[/QUOTE]So now the reason virtually every Repub presidential administration ends with a shitstorm of a Great Repub Depression, a Great Repub Recession, Wiping Out Millions of Jobs, Skyrocketing Unemployment Rates, maybe a New Repub Quagmire, Unwinnable War or Two etc, etc and none so much in so many ways as Trump handed Biden the last time and more than likely will hand the next incoming Dem is because "the Democrats left a ticking time bomb (budget deficits) that may explode at about the end of Trump's term. In general this is an excellent political strategy on the part of the Democrats, which over the decades has caused observers like EihTooms to believe Republican stewardship sucks and vice versa"?
Lololol. That might be the most oblivious, slavishily pro Repub pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" load of crap you have ever posted.
Gee, if only an outgoing Dem president would sometimes hand an incoming Repub president economic conditions as rosy and workable as the outgoing Repubs always hand incoming Dems. Then America would not have to suffer the consequences of those "ticking time bombs" they leave behind that are magically and brilliantly timed just right to coincide with the 4 years, 8 years, 12 years or however long Repub administrations take to blow up the American economy and sometimes that of the whole world as well, right "Bothsider / Neithersider" Tiny?
Lololol.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959395][B]The Democratic Party got its collective ass handed to them[/B] Because of policy and focus on issues that the average citizen of The United States of America does not give a fuck about!
The United States of America is full of working people. The Democratic Party has forgotten that. They want to tax you until you only have spare change in your pocket and begging for food on the street.
The United States of America is full of people figuring out how to put meat in the pot for dinner. The Democratic Party is focused on the meat between the legs of men who want to be girls.
The United States of America is full of people who are invested in crypto. These are people who have put their money where their mouth is. The Democratic Party ignored the crypto vote. They are focused on building a "Anti Cyrpto" army. The Senator who said that is a Democrat and still holds her seat. In the minority. Oops!
Trump is considered pro crypto. 261 Pro crypto candidates elected to the House of Representatives. 17 Pro crypto candidates elected to the Senate.
[B]Do crypto holders have the attention of the Democratic Party now[/B]?[/QUOTE]Has Trump's New crypto venture folded yet? Or scammed millions of its early investors and left them bankrupt and broke yet?
I haven't been following along with that one. Still waiting for him to sucker someone into buying one of his $100,000 gold watches.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959353]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.[/QUOTE]Please explain how after leaving "open borders" to let in millions more immigrants to "vote for Dems" as Repub loons have been asserting for decades and never so much as in the past 3 1/2 years, the by now expert "cheating" that way to win elections turned out millions fewer Dem voters last Tuesday.
Did the busses hired to transport those millions more "cheating" voters from polling place to polling place just not show up?
I see typically pro Repub forces pretending to be unbiased "Bothsiders", "Neithersiders" or Both are still promoting their beloved bullshit about Harris' or any other Dem leader's position on public funding of "sex change operations for prisoners. ".
Therefore, it is time to do a bit of Factchecking on this issue which, lo and behold, turns out to simply be holding to the law, Constitutional rights and a program fully supported and signed off on by, are you sitting down for this, the Trump Administration:
[B]Trump administration signed off on sex-change surgeries for transgender prisoners.
Officials in the justice department gave the green light to procedures in 2018 while Donald Trump was in the White House.
Oct. 17, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/10/17/trump-signed-off-trans-prisoner/[/URL]
[B]Harris Position on Health Care for Transgender Prisoners and Detainees.
Oct. 18, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2024/10/harris-position-on-health-care-for-transgender-prisoners-and-detainees/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Vice President Kamala Harris expanded on her position on gender-affirming care for prisoners during an Oct. 16 Fox News interview, following a question prompted by a Trump television ad on the topic.[b] "I will follow the law, and its a law that Donald Trump actually followed"[/b], Harris said, likely referring to [b]legal requirements[/b] that the government provide medical care to prisoners, including necessary gender-affirming care. [B]"Youre probably familiar with, now its a public report, that under Donald Trumps administration, these surgeries were available to, on a medical necessity basis, to people in the federal prison system.[/b] And I think frankly that ad from the Trump campaign is a little bit of like throwing, you know, stones when youre living in a glass house.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959411]Of course you are. And a Sanders voter too. I agree with him on foreign policy and social liberties. But some of his ideas about the economy that attract you would make the USA like France, or worse. Meaning we'd all be poorer, except for the select few who work for the federal government or are too lazy to work.[/QUOTE]I never said Bernie is perfect (save the trite scare tactics France Venezuela etc al), but I would vote for him (and I have) over any puppet for the oligarchy any day ie, Bubba Bush / Cheney Barry Hussein Biden Harris.
Poor people typically should be banned from the White House, they are too cheap to buy ($2 putas), that's why the oligarchs want to Kill Trump and blame Iran, they can't buy him, they are losing their shit, AGAIN.
There is a wide political spectrum in the USA but I must say the most vile position on the whole spectrum is the one Chase Oliver represents.
I've never been afraid of hard work I was roofer in HS, one of the hardest jobs I know of, and I also worked in a plant that cut steel one summer, that was a "real" back breaker.
I've never held any type of guberment job, I couldn't afford to take that kinda pay cut, besides I don't have the right skin tone for it.
"Meaning we'd all be poorer, except for the select few who work for the federal government or are too lazy to work".
Here's some grammar school level Projecting, Libertarians are the laziest cocksuckers on the planet, and add to that greedy, and lazy, a very toxic combination.
That's why they love slave labor, they are too fucking lazy to work themselves!!
Has anyone yet read or heard in widely distributed Mainstream Media even one mention of a couple of things I posted here with fully substantiated report links?
Namely that the immediate response to Trump's election was for banks to increase their mortgage lending rates by a whopping 9 basis points and for major retailers to assure us they will increase the prices for a huge variety of ordinary goods even well BEFORE Trump enacts his across-the-board tariffs as is always their policy?
I mean perhaps somewhere in the MSM's 24/7 drive to trash Dems and glorify Trump and Repubs, repeating the BS about any Dem ever running for office on sex change operations for prisoners and so on?
Just checking.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959353]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.[/QUOTE]Tiny12 needs some help.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959266]Democrats are sore losers. Republicans are bad winners. Good bad or indifferent; [B]the country will get what they voted for[/B].[/QUOTE]First thing Democrats said after their astonishingly undeserved defeat was that they'd respect the choice of the American people. Are they screaming and kicking, are they starting a litany of lawsuits, are they sending violent threats to their political opponents? Please advise if you have heard about such instances.
You know what else Democrats haven't done? They never accused Trump of rigging the election; they never asked their supporters to fight like hell; they never demanded their stuffers to fight regardless whether they won or lost. And they didn't do it in 2016 either.
So I have no idea what you're seeing, but I see no evidence that Democrats are sore losers unlike you know who. If he lost it would be a full-blown hysteria once again.
[B]Trump Is Setting the Stage to Challenge the Election[/B]
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/08/trump-rally-crowd-challenge-election/679448[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959358]MDS, your inbox is full.
Besides the ridiculously rigged vote in 2020, the lawfare campaign and the assassination attempts were from a deep state determined not to let Trump get into power and hide all their illegal activity. Now we see the Democratic legal rats, engaged in the disgusting and real threat to Democracy lawfare campaigns, scurrying to dismiss their cases as fast as possible.
I hope Trump disbars all that legal scum who engaged in the disgusting lawfare campaign and fines the shit out of them.[/QUOTE]It looks to me like they are trying to establish a backstory for his (possible) murder, they can step back and let Iran do it, or say fuck it and do it themselves and make sure to kill whoever fires the deadly shot.
Like the dead scumbag In Pa. This summer.
DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES!!
Post script Scumbag Nancy is out trying to lay the blame on Scumbag Joe for Harris being the nominee LMFAO.
[URL]https://newrepublic.com/post/188225/nancy-pelosi-joe-biden-donald-trumps-kamala-harris[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959332][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL][/QUOTE]Sorry, I'm not reading your hot sheets. I trust primary sources, in this case your LAS. Who can possibly know better, right?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959353]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.[/QUOTE]Dam that is some crazy shit. I am surprised more people haven't pointed that stat out.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959350]Here we go, another soy boy. Kamala lost because of sexism. Of course, that overlooks the fact that female voters outweigh male voters. Just like most of Spidy's dates, many of the women stayed home.
How about women did not like Kamala? Or were just too damned lazy to vote? Don't wory, S, if you pony up all that Trump tax cut cash, I am sure you will find a woman willing to peg you.
Maybe you should say racist America was not ready for a 75% white president.[/QUOTE]Obama was elected twice in row, but no election for Kamala Harris who lost all swinging states Biden won on 2020 . Latinos men and Black men don t want to be governed by a woman. They preferred to vote for a guy who hate them. I think Hilary got more votes than Trump on 2016 .
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959445]I never said Bernie is perfect (save the trite scare tactics France Venezuela etc al), but I would vote for him (and I have) over any puppet for the oligarchy any day ie, Bubba Bush / Cheney Barry Hussein Biden Harris.
Poor people typically should be banned from the White House, they are too cheap to buy ($2 putas), that's why the oligarchs want to Kill Trump and blame Iran, they can't buy him, they are losing their shit, AGAIN.
There is a wide political spectrum in the USA but I must say the most vile position on the whole spectrum is the one Chase Oliver represents.
I've never been afraid of hard work I was roofer in HS, one of the hardest jobs I know of, and I also worked in a plant that cut steel one summer, that was a "real" back breaker.
I've never held any type of guberment job, I couldn't afford to take that kinda pay cut, besides I don't have the right skin tone for it.
"Meaning we'd all be poorer, except for the select few who work for the federal government or are too lazy to work".
Here's some grammar school level Projecting, Libertarians are the laziest cocksuckers on the planet, and add to that greedy, and lazy, a very toxic combination.
That's why they love slave labor, they are too fucking lazy to work themselves!![/QUOTE]You should take a lesson from Kamala and be joyful. The extremists now control both political parties. And you admire both extremes! You can't lose!
Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris are two peas in a pod. The main difference is one has two X chromosomes and the other has an X and a Y. You hate Kamala. But you love Bernie. Why? You said it yourself. Because you love White Hegemonic Men. Know thyself Marquis. Know thyself. You may be an atheist but that doesn't mean a little inward seeking spirituality wouldn't do you some good.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959433]I see typically pro Repub forces pretending to be unbiased "Bothsiders", "Neithersiders" or Both are still promoting their beloved bullshit about Harris' or any other Dem leader's position on public funding of "sex change operations for prisoners. ".
Therefore, it is time to do a bit of Factchecking on this issue which, lo and behold, turns out to simply be holding to the law, Constitutional rights and a program fully supported and signed off on by, are you sitting down for this, the Trump Administration:
[B]Trump administration signed off on sex-change surgeries for transgender prisoners.
Officials in the justice department gave the green light to procedures in 2018 while Donald Trump was in the White House.
Oct. 17, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/10/17/trump-signed-off-trans-prisoner/[/URL]
[B]Harris Position on Health Care for Transgender Prisoners and Detainees.
Oct. 18, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2024/10/harris-position-on-health-care-for-transgender-prisoners-and-detainees/[/URL][/QUOTE]That's what I've been saying all along! In his heart Trump's a social liberal. He doesn't care what bathroom people use, and he's pro choice to a reasonable degree until 15 weeks or longer if the health of the mother is an issue or in cases of rape and incest. Now that he's not running for re-election, Trump won't have to cater to the extreme social conservatives in his party anymore. Look at the bright side Tooms!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959419]So now the reason virtually every Repub presidential administration ends with a shitstorm of a Great Repub Depression, a Great Repub Recession, Wiping Out Millions of Jobs, Skyrocketing Unemployment Rates, maybe a New Repub Quagmire, Unwinnable War or Two etc, etc and none so much in so many ways as Trump handed Biden the last time and more than likely will hand the next incoming Dem is because "the Democrats left a ticking time bomb (budget deficits) that may explode at about the end of Trump's term. In general this is an excellent political strategy on the part of the Democrats, which over the decades has caused observers like EihTooms to believe Republican stewardship sucks and vice versa"?
Lololol. That might be the most oblivious, slavishily pro Repub pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" load of crap you have ever posted.
Gee, if only an outgoing Dem president would sometimes hand an incoming Repub president economic conditions as rosy and workable as the outgoing Repubs always hand incoming Dems. Then America would not have to suffer the consequences of those "ticking time bombs" they leave behind that are magically and brilliantly timed just right to coincide with the 4 years, 8 years, 12 years or however long Repub administrations take to blow up the American economy and sometimes that of the whole world as well, right "Bothsider / Neithersider" Tiny?
Lololol.[/QUOTE]Well, since you brought up unwinnable wars, I think you should be consistent. Since you use spurious correlations to show Republican Presidents are associated with bad economies, you should admit that Democratic Presidents are associated with huge wars that kill hundreds of thousands of young men. And some of those are young White Hegemonic Alpha men beloved by the Marquis. If I have to choose between (1) a bad economy and (2) the deaths of hundreds of thousands and potential nuclear holocaust, I'll pick the bad economy every time.
Kamala Harris is a neoconservative and Donald Trump's not. Food for thought.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959549]You should take a lesson from Kamala and be joyful. The extremists now control both political parties. And you admire both extremes! You can't lose!
Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris are two peas in a pod. The main difference is one has two X chromosomes and the other has an X and a Y. You hate Kamala. But you love Bernie. Why? You said it yourself. Because you love White Hegemonic Men. Know thyself Marquis. Know thyself. You may be an atheist but that doesn't mean a little inward seeking spirituality wouldn't do you some good.[/QUOTE]Yes I love White men, My father is a white man, my sons are, my brothers are, my uncles are, my nephews are, my cousins are, my neighbors are, my friends are, my employees are, my grandfathers are, my great grandfathers are, my great great grandfathers are and on and on.
Why do you hate your own people?
Your name here is Tiny, that usually is a nickname for someone morbidly obese.
Is that why you love slave labor so much, you are too pathetically overweight and pathetically lazy to get off your ass and work yourself?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959554]Well, since you brought up unwinnable wars, I think you should be consistent. Since you use spurious correlations to show Republican Presidents are associated with bad economies, you should admit that Democratic Presidents are associated with huge wars that kill hundreds of thousands of young men. And some of those are young White Hegemonic Alpha men beloved by the Marquis. If I have to choose between (1) a bad economy and (2) the deaths of hundreds of thousands and potential nuclear holocaust, I'll pick the bad economy every time.
Kamala Harris is a neoconservative and Donald Trump's not. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]I said I was never a guberment employee, I lied I served active military service! With Reagan as Commander In Chief no less (one must admit that's pretty different from the USPS).
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959554]Well, since you brought up unwinnable wars, I think you should be consistent. Since you use spurious correlations to show Republican Presidents are associated with bad economies, you should admit that Democratic Presidents are associated with huge wars that kill hundreds of thousands of young men. And some of those are young White Hegemonic Alpha men beloved by the Marquis. If I have to choose between (1) a bad economy and (2) the deaths of hundreds of thousands and potential nuclear holocaust, I'll pick the bad economy every time.
Kamala Harris is a neoconservative and Donald Trump's not. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]Young White Hegemonic Alpha men being slaughtered you say?
Democrats love to see this that's why they love the Russian Ukraine war.
They started, and they never ever want it to stop.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959554]Well, since you brought up unwinnable wars, I think you should be consistent. Since you use spurious correlations to show Republican Presidents are associated with bad economies, you should admit that Democratic Presidents are associated with huge wars that kill hundreds of thousands of young men. And some of those are young White Hegemonic Alpha men beloved by the Marquis. If I have to choose between (1) a bad economy and (2) the deaths of hundreds of thousands and potential nuclear holocaust, I'll pick the bad economy every time.
Kamala Harris is a neoconservative and Donald Trump's not. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]Abe Lincoln's Civil War?
GW Bush's War in Iraq?
GW Bush's War in Afghanistan?
Trump's Pandemic?
How about total crap economies and the deaths of hundreds of thousands or well over a million Americans in Wars, Economic and National Security Decision Disasters?
Vote Repub and you won't have to choose between the two. You will very likely get both.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2959452]Sorry, I'm not reading your hot sheets. I trust primary sources, in this case your LAS. Who can possibly know better, right?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/podcasts/hoaxing-yourself-this-american-life-nyt-audio.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959423]Has Trump's New crypto venture folded yet? Or scammed millions of its early investors and left them bankrupt and broke yet?[/QUOTE][B]I don't know and I don't care[/B] To answer your question: I mostly invest in solid projects with developers unlikely to rug you. I am more interested in the return of my money than the return on my money.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959423]I haven't been following along with that one.[/QUOTE]BTC went up 8% on the day the election results were announced. This is the only crypto most need to follow. I have been posting here in this thread about the crypto vote while those such as yourself have been clowning me. There are a half dozen stocks that have out performed BTC over the last three years. BTC is a store of value. Not how you get rich!
Your post [B]EihTooms[/B] is why I say democrats (note small d) are sore losers and bad policy makers. [B]You making a claim that the crypto vote did not have an impact on the election[/B]? Stop being a sore loser [B]EihTooms[/B] and participate in the party you love so much and establish some policies that are going to benefit the citizens of the United States of America. Stop worrying about who has a dick and what bathroom they use. Return to your roots:
[I]It is the Economy Stupid![/I] - James Carville.
[B]Democrats forgot what is important to the citizens of the United States of America[/B]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959395]The United States of America is full of people who are invested in crypto. These are people who have put their money where their mouth is. The Democratic Party ignored the crypto vote. They are focused on building a "Anti Cyrpto" army. The Senator who said that is a Democrat and still holds her seat. In the minority. Oops!
Trump is considered pro crypto. 261 Pro crypto candidates elected to the House of Representatives. 17 Pro crypto candidates elected to the Senate.
[B]Do crypto holders have the attention of the Democratic Party now[/B]?[/QUOTE]I am waiting for a answer to my question!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959549]You should take a lesson from Kamala and be joyful. The extremists now control both political parties. And you admire both extremes! You can't lose!
Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris are two peas in a pod. The main difference is one has two X chromosomes and the other has an X and a Y. You hate Kamala. But you love Bernie. Why? You said it yourself. Because you love White Hegemonic Men. Know thyself Marquis. Know thyself. You may be an atheist but that doesn't mean a little inward seeking spirituality wouldn't do you some good.[/QUOTE]Thanks for falsely adding the word white to what I wrote how very very very left winger of you!!
And MAGA is dead center on the spectrum, Libartarians are far far far far far far right, they are the extremists in this country.
Chase (the GUN) Oliver didn't even get 1/2 % that's what extremists get, not 75 million votes like MAGA.
Bernie isn't extreme either the oligarchy won't let him near the nomination because they know he most likely would win also.
[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-won-iowa-caucus-democratic-party[/URL]
I campaigned for John Edwards in 2007 in Iowa they used law fare on him too.
I do meditation retreats I'm the most spiritual introspective motherfucker you will ever meet!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959603]Abe Lincoln's Civil War?
GW Bush's War in Iraq?
GW Bush's War in Afghanistan?
Trump's Pandemic?
How about total crap economies and the deaths of hundreds of thousands or well over a million Americans in Wars, Economic and National Security Decision Disasters?
Vote Repub and you won't have to choose between the two. You will very likely get both.[/QUOTE]Abe belonged to the liberal party at the time.
And GW and Cheney were the biggest Scumbag war mongers the USA has ever seen, and yet.
[URL]https://deadline.com/2024/09/dick-cheney-will-vote-for-kamala-harris-1236080370/[/URL]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959641][B]I don't know and I don't care[/B] To answer your question: I mostly invest in solid projects with developers unlikely to rug you. I am more interested in the return of my money than the return on my money.
BTC went up 8% on the day the election results were announced. This is the only crypto most need to follow. I have been posting here in this thread about the crypto vote while those such as yourself have been clowning me. There are a half dozen stocks that have out performed BTC over the last three years. BTC is a store of value. Not how you get rich!
Your post [B]EihTooms[/B] is why I say democrats (note small d) are sore losers and bad policy makers. [B]You making a claim that the crypto vote did not have an impact on the election[/B]? Stop being a sore loser [B]EihTooms[/B] and participate in the party you love so much and establish some policies that are going to benefit the citizens of the United States of America. Stop worrying about who has a dick and what bathroom they use. Return to your roots:
[I]It is the Economy Stupid![/I] - James Carville.
[B]Democrats forgot what is important to the citizens of the United States of America[/B][/QUOTE]When did I "clown" you about crypto or say the crypto vote had no impact on the election?
I think my only reference to crypto specifically was the post about it being a given that any crypto venture engaged in by Trump would almost by definition be a scam.
Banks also raised their mortgage loan rates by a whopping 9 basis points the day after the election. I suspect that will negatively effect more Americans' prospects for wealth generation than the positive effect of an 8% increase in crypto.
[B]Mortgage rates surge higher on Trump victory, causing housing stocks to fall.
Nov. 6, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/06/mortgage-rates-surge-on-trump-victory-housing-stocks-to-plummet.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The average rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage surged 9 basis points Wednesday to 7.13%, according to Mortgage News Daily.
Housing stocks reacted in turn, with both the big public builders and building material companies falling sharply.
Lennar, D.R. Horton and PulteGroup were all down Wednesday. Retailers Home Depot and Lowes were also lower.[/QUOTE]But again, I don't follow the crypto scene and have barely ever mentioned it even in passing here.
I am not sore about Harris losing the election. Sad and embarrassed for America, yes. But not sore. Actually, I am rather looking forward to the lessen those 12 million fewer Dem / Biden voters that apparently felt comfortable enough financially to not bother to vote have scheduled for America.
As I already posted, as long as the typical economic disaster Repubs usually bring to the table does not effect my rental property income, my company pension and my Social Security, with no guarantee that it won't of course, I am fine with whatever unforced errors and self-inflicted wounds the electorate wants to bring on.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2959452]Sorry, I'm not reading your hot sheets. I trust primary sources, in this case your LAS. Who can possibly know better, right?[/QUOTE]You're making a big mistake Xpartan. The article's about "How the 2020 Election Was Rigged." But here's the cool thing! There's this diagram in the middle of the web page that looks like two testicles with a tube running down the middle. You click on it and you go to an article, "Shrink Your Enlarged Prostate Easily by Doing This (Try Tonight). " Did you know if you're over the age of 45, then right now, your prostate is about the size of a lemon? But here's the crazy thing: in your 20's, it was the size of a walnut! Which means in the past 20+ years, it has nearly TRIPLED in size! Then there's a movie of some guy who pisses all over himself on a 7 hour flight. Well, the guy found out there's a way that you can pee like a firehose! In a bathroom, not in your pants! All you have to do is drink natural spring water! And it doesn't make you ejaculate in your bladder! This is all based on research at the Fukushima Medical University, Universidad de Lima and the National Cheng Kung University! I'm not telling you anymore because it would destroy the surprise.
This is a lot better than the Marquis' link to the other podcast he wants you to watch, the one in The New York Times about hoaxes. That was a complete waste of time! Just an idiotic ramble that lasts 55 minutes about people with fake British accents. I gave up after 5 minutes. I can't imagine anyone listening to the whole thing unless she didn't have much to do with her time. Maybe the New York Times readership includes a lot of morbidly obese old ladies who are too lazy to get off their fat asses and work. I could imagine people like that watching the whole 55 minutes. You know, the kind of women who vote for Bernie Sanders.
Anyway, you don't have to read the hot sheets unless you see something interesting. Just click and decide!
Well, bye for now. See you in Stupid Shit in Kyiv Forum!
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scarborough-floored-when-his-wife-mika-brzezinski-informs-him-butter-costs-7-what-is-it-framed-in-gold/[/URL]
I was just in Krogers and grabbed a jug of Kroger brand orange juice $9.
Food is fucking insane thanks Scumbag Joe and the Ho.
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/never-a-chance-in-hell-former-bernie-sanders-advisor-tells-dan-abrams-harris-stood-zero-chance-against-trump/[/URL]
That's why Scumbag Joe handed her the nomination Thanks Joe lolololol.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/07/grinning-joe-biden-addresses-trumps-landslide-win-we-accept-the-choice-the-country-made/[/URL] you got to love the Scumbags GRIN lolol.
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-msnbcs-heilemann-on-if-harriss-low-visibility-as-vp-helped-or-hurt-she-was-more-popular-when-shoved-in-broom-closet/[/URL]
And Hey ET wouldn't you agree all the Fake Polls deserve a heartfelt Thank You.
[URL]https://www.aol.com/finance/trump-return-power-raises-serious-162847960.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opinion/democrats-trump-elites-centrism.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959686]Abe belonged to the liberal party at the time.
And GW and Cheney were the biggest Scumbag war mongers the USA has ever seen, and yet.
[URL]https://deadline.com/2024/09/dick-cheney-will-vote-for-kamala-harris-1236080370/[/URL][/QUOTE]But I should not forget to mention GW had his daughter campaigning for Harris I'm guessing with Liz, what a 3 some.
And another word about Libertarianism if actual 18th century slavery was alive and well today in the USA.
Just about every single owner would most likely be a Libertarian with a few left wing ones also Like Bloomberg Zuckerburg Bezos.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959711]
[B]Inflation is a Beech[/b]
[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]
I was just in Krogers and grabbed a jug of Kroger brand orange juice $9.
Food is fucking insane thanks Scumbag Joe and the Ho.
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/never-a-chance-in-hell-former-bernie-sanders-advisor-tells-dan-abrams-harris-stood-zero-chance-against-trump/[/URL]
That's why Scumbag Joe handed her the nomination Thanks Joe lolololol.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/07/grinning-joe-biden-addresses-trumps-landslide-win-we-accept-the-choice-the-country-made/[/URL] you got to love the Scumbags GRIN lolol.
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-battles-msnbcs-heilemann-on-if-harriss-low-visibility-as-vp-helped-or-hurt-she-was-more-popular-when-shoved-in-broom-closet/[/URL]
And Hey ET wouldn't you agree all the Fake Polls deserve a heartfelt Thank You.
[URL]https://www.aol.com/finance/trump-return-power-raises-serious-162847960.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opinion/democrats-trump-elites-centrism.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw that Morning Joe show and Mika's claim that "butter is $7" was quickly ridiculed and shut down by other members of the show telling her she is shopping in the wrong place. Sounds like you do too. They buy it for half or less than that.
But your Mediaite source of disinformation didn't tell you that part, did they? LOL. Sucker.
So, to recap, in the days immediately following your vote for Donald Trump or anybody else except Kamala Harris or for nobody at all, banks raised their mortgage loan rates a whopping 9 basis points, major suppliers and retailers assured us that, based just on Trump's talk about his additional tariffs, they fully intend to raise the prices on vast amounts of ordinary products even before he enacts them, as is their usual policy anyway.
And so it begins.
Thank you for your vote.
In addition to the list in the photo below, that the rate of Inflation today is down to 2. 1%, that the Unemployment Rate is 4%, that GDP Growth is 3%, that Manufacturing is Booming, etc, let's add this reminder:
[B]The typical U.S. worker out-earned inflation by $1,400 a year, data shows.
Even as price growth has surged in the pandemic era, earnings of middle-class and even lower-class jobholders have risen too.
Aug. 28, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/typical-us-worker-earned-inflation-1400-year-data-shows-rcna168579[/URL]
Yep, that is adjusted for Trump's Pandemic Inflation, the typical American Worker's income purchasing power exceeds that of 2019 by around $1,400 per year. Can buy a lot of extra "$3 butter" for that additional income.
Oh, and at $3. 09 per gallon, the average price of a gallon of Regular gasoline in the USA is only 19 cents higher than it was in May 2019, Trump's final ok-but-below-average economy year at a cost of Trillions added to the deficit before he Crashed the world's economy, mass murdered at least a million Americans, wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, collapsed global and domestic supply-chains and triggered Trump's Pandemic's hyper-inflation:
[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]
That is way, way less than if it had increased by as much as 2% annually since Trump's last ok year, the Fed's Target Annual Inflation year.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959588]Yes I love White men, My father is a white man, my sons are, my brothers are, my uncles are, my nephews are, my cousins are, my neighbors are, my friends are, my employees are, my grandfathers are, my great grandfathers are, my great great grandfathers are and on and on.
Why do you hate your own people?
Your name here is Tiny, that usually is a nickname for someone morbidly obese.
Is that why you love slave labor so much, you are too pathetically overweight and pathetically lazy to get off your ass and work yourself?[/QUOTE]Damn, do you live in a Utah Men's Penitentiary? Everyone around you in your life is a white man!
You need to meet some women as soon as you get paroled. Any color would probably do wonders for you. Unless, well, unless you are as happy as you seem to be rubbing butts and tummies with just men.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]When did I "clown" you about crypto or say the crypto vote had no impact on the election?[/QUOTE]Personally I do not have to address this question you answered it here:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]I think my only reference to crypto specifically was the post about it being a given that any crypto venture engaged in by Trump would almost by definition be a scam.[/QUOTE]Let's continue:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]I Banks also raised their mortgage loan rates by a whopping 9 basis points the day after the election. I suspect that will negatively effect more Americans' prospects for wealth generation than the positive effect of an 8% increase in crypto.[/QUOTE]I disagree. A personal mortgage is the worse thing you can do for yourself before you have built up the assets in your portfolio needed to generate the cash flow to pay the mortgage. Even if you have done that it is better to rent (in my opinion) or if you must buy then pay cash. Your personal residence is NOT an asset, it is a liability. It is one of the great scams of Banks and the entire financial system that the citizens of the United States of America are not taught the most basic elements of personal finance, investment and tax law.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]I But again, I don't follow the crypto scene and have barely ever mentioned it even in passing here.[/QUOTE]So maybe you shouldn't even mention it at all since it is pretty obvious to me you don't know what you are talking about nor have you read any of my post where I have been providing a free education on crypto.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]I am not sore about Harris losing the election. Sad and embarrassed for America, yes. But not sore. Actually, I am rather looking forward to the lessen those 12 million fewer Dem / Biden voters that apparently felt comfortable enough financially to not bother to vote have scheduled for America.[/QUOTE]This makes no sense to me. You want less voters in your party? Or you want more voters in your party to actually vote. Herris never won a single primary. In my opinion, she was a illegitimate candidate for the Presidency of the United States of America. At least if she had of run the primary gauntlet like Clinton and Obama she would understand more about the citizen of the United States of America that she was asking for her vote from. Now before you write off my opinions, let me tell you that I had a [I]fly on the wall[/I] look at the entire Clinton campaign. How? Think about the individuals that are with a presidential candidate during the entire time they are in the public eye. I saw from when Clinton declared he was running to the presidency until the very end of the campaign when I returned home because he was handed over to the big show.
What I saw during that campaign was a candidate that endlessly pressed the flesh; that was connecting to the people in person and through the media and most importantly was genuine. We would be late getting to a rally after midnight and mothers had there babies on their shoulders waiting for him to arrive and tears in their eyes because he represented hope. I knew he was going to win. Because I saw something happening among my fellow citizens.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959641]Return to your roots:
[I]It is the Economy Stupid![/I] - James Carville.
[B]Democrats forgot what is important to the citizens of the United States of America[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]As I already posted, as long as the typical economic disaster Repubs usually bring to the table does not effect my rental property income, my company pension and my Social Security, with no guarantee that it won't of course, I am fine with whatever unforced errors and self-inflicted wounds the electorate wants to bring on.[/QUOTE][B]TRANSLATION by The Cmdr[/B]
[I]I am one of those financial comfortable Democrats that is more worried about who has I dick and where they can goto the bathroom and play sports than I am about my average fellow citizen that needs to put meat in the pot so their kids can eat everyday. I gots mine. Fuck my fellow citizens! I gots social engineering goals.[/I]
But is kool because you voted for policy platform / canditate that was uninterested in the financial well being of the citizenry in general. That wanted to tax unrealized gains. That wanted to crush a new innovative industry through gotcha enforcement regulation instead of a rational approach to bringing in this new industry to regulatory compliance.
[B]Ok, I will stipulate that you personally are not a sore loser[/B] Yep, I get that! You are one of those Democratic votes comfortable financially so you can dump your liberal social policies and your tax and spend policies on other fellow citizens trying to get where you already are.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959588]Yes I love White men, My father is a white man, my sons are, my brothers are, my uncles are, my nephews are, my cousins are, my neighbors are, my friends are, my employees are, my grandfathers are, my great grandfathers are, my great great grandfathers are and on and on.
Why do you hate your own people?
Your name here is Tiny, that usually is a nickname for someone morbidly obese.
Is that why you love slave labor so much, you are too pathetically overweight and pathetically lazy to get off your ass and work yourself?[/QUOTE]But many Black, Latinos and Asians, who have US ID. Originals were not white, but Indians and White stole their land. US belong to Indians. Others are just robbers.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959788]Personally I do not have to address this question you answered it here:
Let's continue:
I disagree. A personal mortgage is the worse thing you can do for yourself before you have built up the assets in your portfolio needed to generate the cash flow to pay the mortgage. Even if you have done that it is better to rent (in my opinion) or if you must buy then pay cash. Your personal residence is NOT an asset, it is a liability. It is one of the great scams of Banks and the entire financial system that the citizens of the United States of America are not taught the most basic elements of personal finance, investment and tax law.
So maybe you shouldn't even mention it at all since it is pretty obvious to me you don't know what you are talking about nor have you read any of my post where I have been providing a free education on crypto.
This makes no sense to me. You want less voters in your party? Or you want more voters in your party to actually vote. Herris never won a single primary. In my opinion, she was a illegitimate candidate for the Presidency of the United States of America. At least if she had of run the primary gauntlet like Clinton and Obama she would understand more about the citizen of the United States of America that she was asking for her vote from. Now before you write off my opinions, let me tell you that I had a [I]fly on the wall[/I] look at the entire Clinton campaign. How? Think about the individuals that are with a presidential candidate during the entire time they are in the public eye. I saw from when Clinton declared he was running to the presidency until the very end of the campaign when I returned home because he was handed over to the big show.[/QUOTE]I will mention and characterize any and every venture Trump starts as a scam with full knowledge that I have a very, very, very good chance of being 100% right.
If you don't know that after observing virtually any 10 year "business" history of his 60 years as an adult then you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are ripe for falling for his and anyone else's scam.
Are you seriously suggesting that the 12 million 2020 Biden voters who did not vote for Harris did so because she was not bought off by a crypto money campaign donor to change her opinion about it and start "selling" the idea of it the way one did with Trump?
I doubt even 500,000 of those voters did that. They certainly didn't vote for Trump because he was bought off to change his tune on it. If they had then Trump would today be looking at 12 million more votes than he got in 2020.
But that isn't the case. Not even close.
You still have not produced a quote of me "clowning" on you for your stance on crypto or even "clowning" on crypto at all. I have only "clowned" on whatever announced new Trump Crypto scam Trump may put his face and name on.
And if you knew anything about Trump's Lifetime Career of cons and scams and especially if you really care about the image, validity and legitimacy of the entire crypto industry, you should be "clowning" on the idea of Trump Crypto ever seeing the light of day and hoping he never gets involved in such a venture, too.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959757]I saw that Morning Joe show and Mika's claim that "butter is $7" was quickly ridiculed and shut down by other members of the show telling her she is shopping in the wrong place. Sounds like you do too. They buy it for half or less than that.
But your Mediaite source of disinformation didn't tell you that part, did they? LOL. Sucker.
So, to recap, in the days immediately following your vote for Donald Trump or anybody else except Kamala Harris or for nobody at all, banks raised their mortgage loan rates a whopping 9 basis points, major suppliers and retailers assured us that, based just on Trump's talk about his additional tariffs, they fully intend to raise the prices on vast amounts of ordinary products even before he enacts them, as is their usual policy anyway.
And so it begins.
Thank you for your vote.
In addition to the list in the photo below, that the rate of Inflation today is down to 2. 1%, that the Unemployment Rate is 4%, that GDP Growth is 3%, that Manufacturing is Booming, etc, let's add this reminder:
[B]The typical U.S. worker out-earned inflation by $1,400 a year, data shows.
Even as price growth has surged in the pandemic era, earnings of middle-class and even lower-class jobholders have risen too.
Aug. 28, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/typical-us-worker-earned-inflation-1400-year-data-shows-rcna168579[/URL]
Yep, that is adjusted for Trump's Pandemic Inflation, the typical American Worker's income purchasing power exceeds that of 2019 by around $1,400 per year. Can buy a lot of extra "$3 butter" for that additional income.
Oh, and at $3. 09 per gallon, the average price of a gallon of Regular gasoline in the USA is only 19 cents higher than it was in May 2019, Trump's final ok-but-below-average economy year at a cost of Trillions added to the deficit before he Crashed the world's economy, mass murdered at least a million Americans, wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, collapsed global and domestic supply-chains and triggered Trump's Pandemic's hyper-inflation:
[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]
That is way, way less than if it had increased by as much as 2% annually since Trump's last ok year, the Fed's Target Annual Inflation year.[/QUOTE]I catch it on sale at Krogers for $6 for the Kroger store brand.
That jug of orange juice was $2 or $3, just 3 yrs ago butter was $1 or $2 on sale.
Thank God for Joe Manchin blocking BBB or we would be Sooper fucked Its a real Shame to see him go!!
I even think he might make a good President.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2959792]But many Black, Latinos and Asians, who have US ID. Originals were not white, but Indians and White stole their land. US belong to Indians. Others are just robbers.[/QUOTE]Yeah, before the "Native Americans" (who arrived on the North American continent about 16,000 years ago by way of the Bering Land Bridge), there were the original settlers from ancient Europe (who arrived here by way of the North Atlantic ice shelf in the midst of the last Ice Age, over 37,000 years ago). Jan 15,2023.
This makes no sense to me. You want less voters in your party? Or you want more voters in your party to actually vote. Herris never won a single primary. In my opinion, she was a illegitimate candidate for the Presidency of the United States of America. At least if she had of run the primary gauntlet like Clinton and Obama she would understand more about the citizen of the United States of America that she was asking for her vote from.
Well she was handed it by Scumbag Joe so that she would lose and make all the scumbags that threw Scumbag Joe out the window regret it, the oligarchs that run the DNC.
Ordered it and Scumbag Nancy Clooney Carville and Scumbag Barry followed their orders.
Bernie won Iowa in 2020 and was going to take the nomination and the Oligarchs cock blocked him.
And pulled the rug from under him.
[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-democratic-presidential-primary[/URL]
Does anyone remember how everyone dropped out of the primary in 24-48 hrs to clear the field for Scumbag Joe.
The oligarchy said enough, and just like that the winner was anointed in the spring of 2020.
2016 Bubba rec'd more delegates for a 3rd and prob 4th term, than Barry and the DNC handed it to Barry.
The DNC is a joke there is nothing Democratic about it.
They are all puppets for their puppet masters on Wall Street and Silicon Valley.
And they project and have the temerity to say our Lord and Savior is a threat to democracy, my balls are a bigger threat.
Massive redirect from my point.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959839]I will mention and characterize any and every venture Trump starts as a scam with full knowledge that I have a very, very, very good chance of being 100% right.
If you don't know that after observing virtually any 10 year "business" history of his 60 years as an adult then you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are ripe for falling for his and anyone else's scam.
Are you seriously suggesting that the 12 million 2020 Biden voters who did not vote for Harris did so because she was not bought off by a crypto money campaign donor to change her opinion about it and start "selling" the idea of it the way one did with Trump?
I doubt even 500,000 of those voters did that. They certainly didn't vote for Trump because he was bought off to change his tune on it. If they had then Trump would today be looking at 12 million more votes than he got in 2020.
But that isn't the case. Not even close.
You still have not produced a quote of me "clowning" on you for your stance on crypto or even "clowning" on crypto at all. I have only "clowned" on whatever announced new Trump Crypto scam Trump may put his face and name on.
And if you knew anything about Trump's Lifetime Career of cons and scams and especially if you really care about the image, validity and legitimacy of the entire crypto industry, you should be "clowning" on the idea of Trump Crypto ever seeing the light of day and hoping he never gets involved in such a venture, too.[/QUOTE]
That is my point. From now on it will matter to both parties. The democrats mostly were just blinded by the focus on bad policy. Why do people of a party need to support every candidate even if they are not a legitimate one?
It is your attitude towards me and crypto that represents you clowning me about it. I do not need to quote you because I already have. Asked and answered counseler.
[B]EihTooms[/B],
Do you think the corporation that pays your pension does not make political contributions? Do you think there is not a SUPER PAC that represents real estate investors? Are not the receivers of Social Security (something I don't receive) considered so powerful the program is considered a third rail in politics?
I don't give a fuck if you don't want to invest in crypto or a Trump venture. I have never invested in a Trump venture. But your overall point is irrelevant. Like asking [I]what's love got to do with it[/I] when it comes to hiring a prostitute. [B]Money and politics go hand in hand[/B].
If you don't want to get your Democratic Party flexed on by the crypto vote, work to change the policy. Educate your politicians that the citizens of the United States of America do not give a fuck about the Democratic Policy platform.
[I]It's the economy, stupid![/I]
The Democratic party lost BIG because they forgot about that. Crypto is economics. Estimates say up to 40% of ALL citizens of the United States of America up to 93 million people own crypto. Keep sleeping on if you want. Got no dog in the fight. Now I will be watching for Trump to deliver on this crypto policies. If he gets rid of Gary it will be worth every penny I contributed to the cause.
[B]Crypto Riders Mount UP[/B]!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959757]I saw that Morning Joe show and Mika's claim that "butter is $7" was quickly ridiculed and shut down by other members of the show telling her she is shopping in the wrong place. Sounds like you do too. They buy it for half or less than that.
But your Mediaite source of disinformation didn't tell you that part, did they? LOL. Sucker.
So, to recap, in the days immediately following your vote for Donald Trump or anybody else except Kamala Harris or for nobody at all, banks raised their mortgage loan rates a whopping 9 basis points, major suppliers and retailers assured us that, based just on Trump's talk about his additional tariffs, they fully intend to raise the prices on vast amounts of ordinary products even before he enacts them, as is their usual policy anyway.
And so it begins.
Thank you for your vote.
In addition to the list in the photo below, that the rate of Inflation today is down to 2. 1%, that the Unemployment Rate is 4%, that GDP Growth is 3%, that Manufacturing is Booming, etc, let's add this reminder:
[B]The typical U.S. worker out-earned inflation by $1,400 a year, data shows.
Even as price growth has surged in the pandemic era, earnings of middle-class and even lower-class jobholders have risen too.
Aug. 28, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/typical-us-worker-earned-inflation-1400-year-data-shows-rcna168579[/URL]
Yep, that is adjusted for Trump's Pandemic Inflation, the typical American Worker's income purchasing power exceeds that of 2019 by around $1,400 per year. Can buy a lot of extra "$3 butter" for that additional income.
Oh, and at $3. 09 per gallon, the average price of a gallon of Regular gasoline in the USA is only 19 cents higher than it was in May 2019, Trump's final ok-but-below-average economy year at a cost of Trillions added to the deficit before he Crashed the world's economy, mass murdered at least a million Americans, wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, collapsed global and domestic supply-chains and triggered Trump's Pandemic's hyper-inflation:
[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]
That is way, way less than if it had increased by as much as 2% annually since Trump's last ok year, the Fed's Target Annual Inflation year.[/QUOTE]I already addressed this:
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2958731]Hahahahahaha[/QUOTE]To expand, this graph goes a long way toward explaining why Trump was embraced by the working man, and Biden / Harris were rejected:
[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q[/URL]
I've posted this before. You didn't appear to understand the graph. That's because your IQ drops from about 140 to 100 when you switch from addressing points that support Democrats to those that don't. So here it is spelled out.
[B]Median real weekly earnings in 1982-1984 dollars were $352 when Trump took office and $373 when he left. That's in increase of 6.0%. They were $373 when Biden/Harris took office and $371 now, or a decline of 0.5%. [/B]
As to your link, the lead author for the update that was the basis of the NBC article is a political appointee to the Treasury Department who moved over from the White House. The original December, 2023 blog post he was updating was a political puff piece. He cherry picked the period, presumably starting in mid 2019, to make it look good for Biden.
As to gasoline prices, Joe and Kamala both campaigned in 2020 on ending issuance of and drilling permits on federal oil and gas leases. And Joe did it. He had to back off because of the courts and political considerations. He subsequently shut down issuance of permits for new LNG plants, and he hasn't backed off that.
Kamala campaigned on banning hydraulic fracturing in 2020. If that had ever been implemented it would have put the USA Industry on its knees. We'd become second or third rate, instead of the largest oil producer in the world. She backed off on that though, because she thought it would hurt her electoral prospects.
So what will Democratic politicians do the next time they control the presidency? What they said they would in 2020? Or what they say now?
Undoubtedly these policies if implemented and left in place would increase the price of oil, natural gas and gasoline. Perhaps American voters are smart enough to realize that.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959746]But I should not forget to mention GW had his daughter campaigning for Harris I'm guessing with Liz, what a 3 some.
And another word about Libertarianism if actual 18th century slavery was alive and well today in the USA.
Just about every single owner would most likely be a Libertarian with a few left wing ones also Like Bloomberg Zuckerburg Bezos.[/QUOTE]You're trying to re-write history. Understandably. Slave owners were White Hegemonic Alpha men.
Classical liberals were among the leading abolitionists in the USA and the UK. Support for civil liberties and opposition to senseless wars is one of the defining characteristics of libertarianism. Thank goodness Libertarian Rand Paul has Trump's ear, and Neoconservatives Liz Cheney and George W. Bush do not.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959419]So now the reason virtually every Repub presidential administration ends with a shitstorm of a Great Repub Depression, a Great Repub Recession, Wiping Out Millions of Jobs, Skyrocketing Unemployment Rates, maybe a New Repub Quagmire, Unwinnable War or Two etc, etc and none so much in so many ways as Trump handed Biden the last time and more than likely will hand the next incoming Dem is because "the Democrats left a ticking time bomb (budget deficits) that may explode at about the end of Trump's term. In general this is an excellent political strategy on the part of the Democrats, which over the decades has caused observers like EihTooms to believe Republican stewardship sucks and vice versa"?
Lololol. That might be the most oblivious, slavishily pro Repub pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" load of crap you have ever posted.
Gee, if only an outgoing Dem president would sometimes hand an incoming Repub president economic conditions as rosy and workable as the outgoing Repubs always hand incoming Dems. Then America would not have to suffer the consequences of those "ticking time bombs" they leave behind that are magically and brilliantly timed just right to coincide with the 4 years, 8 years, 12 years or however long Repub administrations take to blow up the American economy and sometimes that of the whole world as well, right "Bothsider / Neithersider" Tiny?
Lololol.[/QUOTE]Democrat.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2957186]Her website "platform" is a PR fluff piece and nothing more. Since she was installed as the presidential nominee of her Party in a palace coup after Biden's unbelievable debate performance, she no longer states what she believes in or what she really wants to accomplish because she knows the American people would not support her radical agenda. So her advisors first came up the basement strategy along with the Joy and Mamela campaign. That strategy failed horribly so Kamela is closing her campaign with "Trump is Hitler" ie let's hate half the country. So much for healing the country and bringing people together. LOL. AND she still has not given one single press conference. Her brief interview with Brett Baier was totaling amazing in that the woman would not or could not answer one single question.
So, I don't know where you are coming from with YOUR question, but if you don't know by now where Kamela baby stands on the Woke Issues of our times, here is a cliff note paragraph on the worst politician in modern times:
Kamela is a San Francisco machine politician. She was the most radical member of the Senate during her term in office. Her voting record was to the left of Bernie Sanders! Everything I listed in my previous post are things she has publicly endorsed in her failed primary campaign of 2019 or during her time in the Seante and are on the alltime Woke top 10 wish list. Many items are currently being carried or partially being carried out by the Biden / Harris administration. Name me one item on the list that you think she does not support and will not try to implement if she wins the election.
Amnesty for undocumented migrants? Reparations for slavery? Allowing the government to undermine parental authority in abortion and gender matters involving their children? Severe restrictions on firearms? Onerous taxation on the affluent and corporations? A government-regulated economy that mandates "green" strategies that all companies would have to obey? A "reimagining" of criminal punishment. Prison sentences would be reduced dramatically? Imposed equity where the federal government would provide entitlements to selected groups? Strict limits on speech? New federal laws would punish expression against so-called "marginalized" people? A weaponized Justice Department and IRS?
Now it will be hard, if not impossible to pass all this heavy Woke legislation through a divided Congress or a Republican Majority Senate which is looking more and more likely. But this is where Executive Orders will play a very pivotal role in her administration as it did in the Biden / Harris Administration. In addition, federal agencies like the Justice Department and the IRS will be used more and more to inflict heavy damage on those who oppose her even though the Supreme Court will eventually shoot down most of her agenda. Of course, all of this is moot since President Trump is on the verge of achieving the greatest political comeback in American History.[/QUOTE]Republican.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2956756]Here is a novel idea, Paulie. You go fight for Ukraine and let Americans volunteer to have their tax dollars be sent to Ukraine or not. I am paying into the USA tax system now Paulie while you are sucking it dry. I don't get why your opinion should count when it is not your money that is being spent.
There was all this money for Ukraine, Israel, and the illegals. Then when it came time to help the people who suffered from hurricanes in North Carolina or the people in Hawaii whose homes were burned down they got a few measly bucks, and you are talking about what Europe wants and Putin's image? You are out of your mind.
All this smack and not one of you could answer the simple question. When is this shit going to be over with? When are we going to stop this mindless waste of human life and money? Where is that Ukrainian victory you douches have been talking about for nearly 3 years?[/QUOTE]Independent Thinker.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959588]Yes I love White men, My father is a white man, my sons are, my brothers are, my uncles are, my nephews are, my cousins are, my neighbors are, my friends are, my employees are, my grandfathers are, my great grandfathers are, my great great grandfathers are and on and on.
Why do you hate your own people?
Your name here is Tiny, that usually is a nickname for someone morbidly obese.
Is that why you love slave labor so much, you are too pathetically overweight and pathetically lazy to get off your ass and work yourself?
Tiny's comment to Xpartan: This is a lot better than the Marquis' link to the other podcast he wants you to watch, the one in The New York Times about hoaxes. That was a complete waste of time! Just an idiotic ramble that lasts 55 minutes about people with fake British accents. I gave up after 5 minutes. I can't imagine anyone listening to the whole thing unless she didn't have much to do with her time. Maybe the New York Times readership includes a lot of morbidly obese old ladies who are too lazy to get off their fat asses and work. I could imagine people like that watching the whole 55 minutes. You know, the kind of women who vote for Bernie Sanders. [/QUOTE]Bernie Sanders Cat Lady.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959912]You're trying to re-write history. Understandably. Slave owners were White Hegemonic Alpha men.
Classical liberals were among the leading abolitionists in the USA and the UK. Support for civil liberties and opposition to senseless wars is one of the defining characteristics of libertarianism. Thank goodness Libertarian Rand Paul has Trump's ear, and Neoconservatives Liz Cheney and George W. Bush do not.[/QUOTE]Libertarians love open borders and hate the minimum wage they love slave wages and slave labor.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/30/bernie-sanders-criticizes-open-borders-at-hispanic-chamber-of-commerce/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0[/URL]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9048401/bernie-sanders-open-borders[/URL]
This is the main reason I've supported Bernie in the past, The Koch Brothers (ok David died) are libertarian cocksuckers that love open borders and despise the minimum wage.
This is a very unfair debate when many of my posts don't show up?
I'm as Hardcore MAGA as it gets but you call me a Bernie cat lady ouch LMMFAO wow you hit like a fucking girl!
Tiny, I have 2 things to say about your cheeky last post.
1. I am not a Republican. I am a laissez-faire free market capitalist who believes in the benefits and freedoms of limited government and I am a social libertarian. I am not responsible for the fact that the Democratic Party has gone Woke (radical Maoist with an American twist) and is the BIG Government / big brother party and IMHO a direct threat to MY freedoms and yours. So yeah, I find myself allied with Trump and his political movement. It is the case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it does not mean I am a gung-ho Trump follower. Far from it.
2. Funny thing, but EihTooms and I used to be ISG pals before this thread exposed his Marcusian belief system and his flat earther mentality. It is too bad because when we talked about girls, secifically Thai girls, we were in agreement more or less. I wish I could say more, but it is against the rules to criticize the forum.
Anyway, I am in Sao Paulo. I shagged my number 1 girl wed, Thursday, and Saturday night and Friday night I hooked up with a couple of esteemed punters at Scandallo, one of the greatest bordello nightclubs in the world and had a great time ie I did a 2 fer (2 Brazilian girls separately back to back). This is my politics! I like my freedom!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959603]Abe Lincoln's Civil War?
GW Bush's War in Iraq?
GW Bush's War in Afghanistan?
Trump's Pandemic?
How about total crap economies and the deaths of hundreds of thousands or well over a million Americans in Wars, Economic and National Security Decision Disasters?
Vote Repub and you won't have to choose between the two. You will very likely get both.[/QUOTE]This was written for the left wing loons that are cheerleaders for sending Kyiv a trillion more in USA Weapons.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/10/opinion/liberals-war-ukraine-gaza-israel.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959910]I already addressed this:
To expand, this graph goes a long way toward explaining why Trump was embraced by the working man, and Biden / Harris were rejected:
[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q[/URL]
I've posted this before. You didn't appear to understand the graph. That's because your IQ drops from about 140 to 100 when you switch from addressing points that support Democrats to those that don't. So here it is spelled out.
[B]Median real weekly earnings in 1982-1984 dollars were $352 when Trump took office and $373 when he left. That's in increase of 6.0%. They were $373 when Biden/Harris took office and $371 now, or a decline of 0.5%. [/B]
As to your link, the lead author for the update that was the basis of the NBC article is a political appointee to the Treasury Department who moved over from the White House. The original December, 2023 blog post he was updating was a political puff piece. He cherry picked the period, presumably starting in mid 2019, to make it look good for Biden.
As to gasoline prices, Joe and Kamala both campaigned in 2020 on ending issuance of and drilling permits on federal oil and gas leases. And Joe did it. He had to back off because of the courts and political considerations. He subsequently shut down issuance of permits for new LNG plants, and he hasn't backed off that.
Kamala campaigned on banning hydraulic fracturing in 2020. If that had ever been implemented it would have put the USA Industry on its knees. We'd become second or third rate, instead of the largest oil producer in the world. She backed off on that though, because she thought it would hurt her electoral prospects.
So what will Democratic politicians do the next time they control the presidency? What they said they would in 2020? Or what they say now?
Undoubtedly these policies if implemented and left in place would increase the price of oil, natural gas and gasoline. Perhaps American voters are smart enough to realize that.[/QUOTE]There is zero evidence that Trump was "embraced" by anybody but the same Trump Cult followers who "embraced" him in 2020.
They are in a cult. They were going to follow and "embrace" him even if his previous so-called presidency had him ushering in and exacerbating a historcally deadly and economy-destroying Pandemic, even if he added his first of many Trillions to the deficit on his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation that produced a million fewer jobs with it than without it, even if he left office with fewer jobs in America than when he took office 4 years earlier, the worst jobs record of any president since a previous Repub president, even if he was convicted of 34 Felonies in a conspiracy to steal the 2016 election, found liable for rape and led a mob of cop-killing insurrectionists to overthrow the next presidential election in a War Against American Democracy.
Oh wait. He did all of that. And, yep, the same number of Trump Cult Members "embraced" him in the 2024 election as "embraced" him in the 2020 election. But no more than that.
Yeah, I already addressed why real wages increased by 2020 as shown on your chart, too. Actual contempraneous reports from 2018,2019 and 2020, which your IQ was too limited for you to understand and respond to as well. Apparently.
And it had nothing whatsoever to do with anything Trump did, said or legislation he passed. Unless Fred was factoring in the emergency Trump's Failed Trade War Manufacturing and Aggriculture Industry Welfare Checks he sent out just to keep them afloat during that Trump disaster or his Trump's Emergency Pandemic Relief Checks he sent out to the rest of America in 2020 as "real wage" increases.
Nope. Those wage increases under Trump had everything to do with the economy Obama-Biden handed Trump in 2017 and the fact that predominantly Blue Cities and Blue States raised the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019 while Trump and "Elonia" Musk were still giggling in delight over the pleasures of firing American Workers and busting American Worker Unions.
"In 40 years, the stock market has increased 5,000 percent and real earning wages have ONLY increased 14 percent.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/11/10/michael-douglas-admits-republicans-under-trump-are-now-party-of-the-people-while-democrats-are-elitists/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/10/failed-reagan-assassin-john-hinckley-requests-assassinate-trump-man-peace-now/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/10/franklin-graham-shares-list-of-good-things-that-have-happened-since-trump-won-again/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/10/cnns-zakaria-slams-dems-lawfare-against-trump-deeply-illiberal-culture-war/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/10/jd-vance-first-marine-to-become-vice-president-wishes-fellow-marines-happy-birthday/[/URL]
YUGE Happy Birthday USMC!!
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/10/elon-musk-backs-florida-sen-rick-scott-senate-majority-leader/[/URL]
Anyone but Thune!!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959917]Democrat.
Republican.
Independent Thinker.
Bernie Sanders Cat Lady.[/QUOTE]And when do you suppose the the "Independent Thinker", the "Bernie Sanders Cat Lady" and, oh you missed one, the "Bothsider / Neithersider" will vote for Repubs any significantly less often than the "Republican"? LOL.
Only one in that group has not voted for a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction since he shamefully voted for that very outcome in 1980 and only for Great Dem Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Jobs Creation for the American Worker.
Me. The Democrat.
You're welcome.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959665]Thanks for falsely adding the word white to what I wrote how very very very left winger of you!![/QUOTE]I must have misunderstood this.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958745][b]When I grew up in the 70's in Chicago[/b]
I was taught its a White Mans World!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2959941]Tiny, I have 2 things to say about your cheeky last post.
1. I am not a Republican. I am a laissez-faire free market capitalist who believes in the benefits and freedoms of limited government and I am a social libertarian. I am not responsible for the fact that the Democratic Party has gone Woke (radical Maoist with an American twist) and is the BIG Government / big brother party and IMHO a direct threat to MY freedoms and yours. So yeah, I find myself allied with Trump and his political movement. It is the case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it does not mean I am a gung-ho Trump follower. Far from it.
2. Funny thing, but EihTooms and I used to be ISG pals before this thread exposed his Marcusian belief system and his flat earther mentality. It is too bad because when we talked about girls, secifically Thai girls, we were in agreement more or less. I wish I could say more, but it is against the rules to criticize the forum.
Anyway, I am in Sao Paulo. I shagged my number 1 girl wed, Thursday, and Saturday night and Friday night I hooked up with a couple of esteemed punters at Scandallo, one of the greatest bordello nightclubs in the world and had a great time ie I did a 2 fer (2 Brazilian girls separately back to back). This is my politics! I like my freedom![/QUOTE]Apologies for that Axel. I'm a social and economic libertarian as well.
Yes, you nailed it. The Democratic Party Pundits are coming up with every reason in the world for Trump's historic win except the most important one: the Democrats moved too far to the left. Their only reasonable Senators, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, left the party. Kyrsten left because she was about to get primaried from the left. And Manchin because he had no chance of winning the general election as a Democrat. Also Joe Biden and other party leaders lied to him:
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-inflation-reduction-act-betrayal-joe-manchin-debt-ceiling-budget-fossil-fuels-green-energy-dc37738e[/URL]
It's too late to edit my post, but I have one erratum and one omission.
Erratum: Axel Heyst should have been labeled Social Libertarian instead of Republican.
Omission: The category of Crypto Thinker:
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2952068]For me it is not as easy as allowing a intermediary to hold everything for you. That fuckery turns everyone into a baby having their hand held in the new nanny state. I am a real man. I sovegien individuals. I don't need to mother fuckers telling how can use the capital I have saved and invested by working the better part of my lifetime, shedding blood, sweat and tears working on government / corporate slave wage plantations in the United Staes of America. The current banking system is run by the Plutocratic class and is design to enrich that class at the expense of the common man like me. Now some would not know a thing about that because they are the privileged because of what their father and mother looked like and where she pushed them out of her vagina.
The system so many posting about here is a system where you have to ask permission to have your own money.
[B]Fuck dat shit[/B]!
When was the last time you held a stock certificate of one of those dividend holding companies you have in your portfolio? The actual note from a bond you purchased? Don't answer that. Because you haven't mother fucker. You depend on trusted intermediaries to handle thing for you and that is all well and good until it isn't. [B]LOL[/B]!
Some people don't the first thing about buying crypto. They don't know how to own it. That is why you making so many accusations about it. Because you want me to explain it to you because you don't understand it. Because you just cannot call your bookie (ooops, I mean broker) up on the phone and place an order. Now you can use the internet to buy stocks and bonds. You can do the same to buy crypto.
Bitcoin has worked that way for me. But I had do a lot of homework to understand it. Homework many have not done because they keep asking questions about and instead of admitting that they really don't know shit they instead choose to put out misinformation.
He was white boy of privilege who went to a top university in the United States of America. He was able to build a business based solely on his reputation because people did not do their due diligence because of who he was.
Namely: [B]He was white boy of privilege[/B]!
[I]Samuel Bankman-Fried, also known as SBF, 32, of Stanford, California, was sentenced to 25 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and ordered to pay $11 billion in forfeiture for his orchestration of multiple fraudulent schemes[/I]
[B]Not your keys; Not your crypto[/B] Only keep the amount of value in crypto that you need on the exchange of your choice to perform your transactions. The rest should be self custody using a combination of a hot wallet and cold wallet. I never went near FTX because I know what I am doing!
This is so basic, yet it requires self education. If you are not ready to take responsibility for self. Bitcoin and crypto is not for you. Because currently there is no nanny state, hand holding protections for those who participate in the crypto market. Hopefully it will remain a place reserved for individuals who understand what they are buying and the risks they are taking.
[B]FFlintstone69[/B] I see you are reading and commenting on my posts again. Are you learning a lot about crypto from me?[/QUOTE]Crypto Thinker.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959994]And when do you suppose the the "Independent Thinker", the "Bernie Sanders Cat Lady" and, oh you missed one, the "Bothsider / Neithersider" will vote for Repubs any significantly less often than the "Republican"? LOL.
Only one in that group has not voted for a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction since he shamefully voted for that very outcome in 1980 and only for Great Dem Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Jobs Creation for the American Worker.
Me. The Democrat.
You're welcome.[/QUOTE]I voted for 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans and 5 Libertarians in the most recent election Tooms. My enthusiasm for the Dems is not what it may seem however. Three of them were running for the Criminal Court of Appeals, and I believe they may be a little less likely to throw people in jail than the Republicans. The fourth was running against a crook. People know he's a crook but vote for him anyway because he brings home the bacon for the district.
I didn't vote for George W. Bush or Donald Trump by the way, although I did vote for most other Republican candidates for president in the general elections. Thus, even with your faulty analysis, you can't associate my vote with the 2008/2009 and 2020 recessions. Which by the way had very little to do with Bush's policies and nothing to do with Trump's.
I guess I could have included a quote for me and written something like "Classical Liberal who still believes in a social safety net" but that would have been immodest and wordy.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959923]Libertarians love open borders and hate the minimum wage they love slave wages and slave labor.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/30/bernie-sanders-criticizes-open-borders-at-hispanic-chamber-of-commerce/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0[/URL]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9048401/bernie-sanders-open-borders[/URL]
This is the main reason I've supported Bernie in the past, The Koch Brothers (ok David died) are libertarian cocksuckers that love open borders and despise the minimum wage.
This is a very unfair debate when many of my posts don't show up?
I'm as Hardcore MAGA as it gets but you call me a Bernie cat lady ouch LMMFAO wow you hit like a fucking girl![/QUOTE]Dear Cat Lady,
Well, I hate open borders and believe minimum wages are a good idea, as long as they're imposed by states and cities and not Bernie Sanders.
Sincerely,
Morbidly Obese Tiny, Oppressor of the Workers of the World
While there are charts and graphs showing real wages for the American Worker increased notably in 2020 before the full crashed economic, jobs destruction and consequential inflation horror of Trump's Pandemic came into fruition, no chart or graph matches the easily available reportage on how and why that one particular wage result was totally due to efforts to raise the minimum wage primarily in Blue Cities and Blue States in 2018 and 2019 and zero to do with any legislation passed by Donald Trump no matter how many Trillions he added to the deficit.
Right this very minute is a good time to remind us what the economic and financial media scouring all economic data points had to say about the USA Economy inherited by Trump both times vs what he handed to the incoming Dem last time:
First let's see what anyone with at least 2 brain cells to rub together had to say and could fully substantiate about the economy Donald Trump inherited from Obama-Biden in 2017. The internet and even your own normal memory ought to be full of such recaps of those great economic conditions, not just this one:
[B]Data show Trump didn't 'build' a great economy. He inherited it.
The average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.
Aug. 23, 2020[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/data-show-trump-didn-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793[/URL]
Next, let's take a look at what virtually every national and international economic and financial media source has to say about the Biden-Harris "Envy of the World" economy "the next president" will inherit. Again, a simple Google Search and, well, possibly any normally cognitively capable person not in the Trump Cult can find and remember dozens of similar recent recaps, not just this one:
[B] The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant.
Oct. 31, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059[/URL]
Question and Challenge: Can any "Republican", "Indeoendent Thinker", Bernie Sanders Cat Lady" or "Bothsider / Neithersider" here find and produce one link to a credible economic or financial media source that gave such a positive assessment to the winner and inheritor of the GW Bush-Cheney economy and the winner and inheritor of the Trump-Pence economy? Even factoring in the increase in real wages facilitated solely by primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising yhe minimum wage in 2018 and 2019 and zero to do with anything Donald Trump did?
Of course, none of you will be able to do that. The only credible reportage from legitimate economic and financial media on what the brave winners and inheritors of the GW Bush-Cheney and the Trump-Pence economies were in store for would accurately be that they were walking into a shit-storm of economic and jobs destruction disaster of historic proportions. Both times.
For some of you the contrast is stark and shocking, isn't it? But for the "Democrats" among us, that reality and inarguable pattern of results is utterly and totally known, understood and, sadly, predictable.
We lost! Period full stop.
Note to party: Don't ignore the Crypto Vote next election.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960006]I voted for 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans and 5 Libertarians in the most recent election Tooms. My enthusiasm for the Dems is not what it may seem however. Three of them were running for the Criminal Court of Appeals, and I believe they may be a little less likely to throw people in jail than the Republicans. The fourth was running against a crook. People know he's a crook but vote for him anyway because he brings home the bacon for the district.
I didn't vote for George W. Bush or Donald Trump by the way, although I did vote for most other Republican candidates for president in the general elections. Thus, even with your faulty analysis, you can't associate my vote with the 2008/2009 and 2020 recessions. Which by the way had very little to do with Bush's policies and nothing to do with Trump's.
I guess I could have included a quote for me and written something like "Classical Liberal who still believes in a social safety net" but that would have been immodest and wordy.[/QUOTE]All of your quotes and political categories, to which I replied, were specifically regarding Presidential / Commander-In-Chief issues except the Bernie Sanders Cat Lady's, which, predictably, was all about White Supremecy and his obsession with White Boys. However, since his whole Bernie Sanders thing is about helping Repubs win elections, it is safe to assume his was also a pro Repub president rant, as long as the Repub is a White Man.
They were not about the City Councilman or Dog Catcher in Ithoughtitwasafart, Oklahoma.
And your vote for Nobody for President in 2024 was as specifically designed to help Trump win and deliver his next Great Repub Economic Disaster as the vote for everyone else you quoted except me.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959885]Yeah, before the "Native Americans" (who arrived on the North American continent about 16,000 years ago by way of the Bering Land Bridge), there were the original settlers from ancient Europe (who arrived here by way of the North Atlantic ice shelf in the midst of the last Ice Age, over 37,000 years ago). Jan 15,2023.[/QUOTE]But Indians didn't kill previous ones on this land, when white US killed Indians and stole their territory and slaved Blacks from Africa. Many Trump voters are still in same mind. Trump election just show how US are low level for brain. Chinese should laugh of such declining. Funny, US are so afraid of China, when I'm not afraid of shit chinese products.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2959449]First thing Democrats said after their astonishingly undeserved defeat was that they'd respect the choice of the American people. Are they screaming and kicking, are they starting a litany of lawsuits, are they sending violent threats to their political opponents? Please advise if you have heard about such instances.
You know what else Democrats haven't done? They never accused Trump of rigging the election; they never asked their supporters to fight like hell; they never demanded their stuffers to fight regardless whether they won or lost. And they didn't do it in 2016 either.
So I have no idea what you're seeing, but I see no evidence that Democrats are sore losers unlike you know who. If he lost it would be a full-blown hysteria once again.[/QUOTE]I have democratic friends who won't even talk to me now. I have others that do not want to hear anything about how well I am doing since the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. As I am currently typing this I have a girl over watching a movie on the brand new Haier 65", OLED, Smart TV that was delivered today and put up on my wall. Paid for with profits from the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. Holla!
Don't hate! The Democrats do not support crypto. BTC is 84,000/ USD and climbing as I write this. Trump has not even taken office yet. [B]Gotta love it when plan comes together[/B]!
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960026][b] Democratic after action report[/b]
We lost! Period full stop.
Note to party: Don't ignore the Crypto Vote next election.[/QUOTE]The golden opportunity for you to have repeatedly reminded a Major Political Party to just admit that, "We lost! Period full stop" would have been to Donald Trump, the Repub Party and most of his supporters here and elsewhere over the past 4 years. Posting such a reminder to them here at any point over the past 4 years, right up until the last couple of days even, would have been brilliantly appropriate, helpful and on point.
However, since Harris, virtually everybody in the Democratic Party and all of her supporters here and elsewhere has not once denied that they lost or asserted that the election was rigged or stolen and so on, it is odd that now of all times you would suddenly find your previously silent voice to strongly promote the idea.
But hey, whatever.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960041]All of your quotes and political categories, to which I replied, were specifically regarding Presidential / Commander-In-Chief issues except the Bernie Sanders Cat Lady's, which, predictably, was all about White Supremecy and his obsession with White Boys. However, since his whole Bernie Sanders thing is about helping Repubs win elections, it is safe to assume his was also a pro Repub president rant, as long as the Repub is a White Man.
They were not about the City Councilman or Dog Catcher in Ithoughtitwasafart, Oklahoma.
And your vote for Nobody for President in 2024 was as specifically designed to help Trump win and deliver his next Great Repub Economic Disaster as the vote for everyone else you quoted except me.[/QUOTE]I will always be in favor of the most qualified to steer this country, you know the ones that built it into what it is for the last 250+yrs.
As opposed to some Indian anchor baby whoor!!
Deputy because not bad I would of liked to see because or Atty General.
I sure hope he is POTUS soon.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/11/us/politics/stephen-miller-trump.html[/URL]
YUGE congrats Mi Amigo.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959074]Spidy's definition of bloviate: conflicts with my political position and is not simple minded[/QUOTE](...kkkk!) Says Tiny 12, the flip-flop artist and bothsider/neithersider guy, who wouldn't [I][b]"...vote for Trump, for dog catcher" (...kkkk!)[/b][/I], who voted (supposedly) for Chevy Chase?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959445]There is a wide political spectrum in the USA but I must say the [b]most vile[/b] position on the whole spectrum is the one Chase Oliver represents. [/QUOTE]Ahem!, pardon me, I stand corrected...Olive Chase for president was it? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]
Tiny 12, according to MDS1, "...most vile..."? Oh well, no one's candidate is always going to be perfect, but "most vile" is an interesting take!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959419][b]Covering your ass already, I see. [/b]
Lololol. That might be the most oblivious, slavishily pro Repub pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" load of crap you have ever posted.
Gee, if only an outgoing Dem president would sometimes hand an incoming Repub president economic conditions as rosy and workable as the outgoing Repubs always hand incoming Dems. Then America would not have to suffer the consequences of those "ticking time bombs" they leave behind that are magically and brilliantly timed just right to coincide with [b]the 4 years, 8 years, 12 years or however long Repub administrations take to blow up the American economy and sometimes that of the whole world as well, right "Bothsider / Neithersider" Tiny?[/b][/QUOTE]Agreed!
They say one reason we lost is that the Democratic party has become one dominated by college-educated elites with six-figure incomes and a desire to push DEI to the absolute brink. I, for one, have been annoyed with a lot about DEI, and agree that parts of it just goes too far. I mean what's my pronouns? I was born with a swinging dick and still have it. So GTFOH with that bullshit!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2960067]But Indians didn't kill previous ones on this land, when white US killed Indians and stole their territory and slaved Blacks from Africa. Many Trump voters are still in same mind. Trump election just show how US are low level for brain. Chinese should laugh of such declining. Funny, US are so afraid of China, when I'm not afraid of shit chinese products.[/QUOTE]Firstly you don't know what they did or didn't do to the people that were already here when they came from Siberia thru the Bering Strait area, I'm guessing they killed them off?
And then you write "white US killed Indians" lololol there were no white US, they were from Western Europe including France Spain Italy England et al.
[URL]https://insider.si.edu/2012/03/ice-age-mariners-from-europe-were-the-first-people-to-reach-north-america/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960192](...kkkk!) Says Tiny 12, the flip-flop artist and bothsider/neithersider guy, who wouldn't [I][b]"...vote for Trump, for dog catcher" (...kkkk!)[/b][/I], who voted (supposedly) for Chevy Chase?
Ahem!, pardon me, I stand corrected...Olive Chase for president was it? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]
Tiny 12, according to MDS1, "...most vile..."? Oh well, no one's candidate is always going to be perfect, but "most vile" is an interesting take!
Agreed![/QUOTE]The more honest direct Trump voters are finding out right about now that their vote was actually for President-elect "Elonia" Musk by way of golfer Donald Trump. Lolol.
Trump's golf clubs are going to get even more use and golf cart adding a lot more mileage this time around.
Which might be fine from the point of view that the current Bidenomics is such a great economy with all cylinders firing that even a total economic disaster numbskull like Trump would have to work very hard to fuck it up so the more time he spends on his failed golf courses, the better.
But with "Elonia" Musk actually running the country, directing the economy and foreign policy, nobody really knows how boundless his ability to fuck things up are yet.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960192](...kkkk!) Says Tiny 12, the flip-flop artist and bothsider/neithersider guy, who wouldn't [I][b]"...vote for Trump, for dog catcher" (...kkkk!)[/b][/I], who voted (supposedly) for Chevy Chase?
Ahem!, pardon me, I stand corrected...Olive Chase for president was it? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]
Tiny 12, according to MDS1, "...most vile..."? Oh well, no one's candidate is always going to be perfect, but "most vile" is an interesting take!
Agreed![/QUOTE]Bloviator.
Watch for Trump to take credit for all of the great economic outcomes produced entirely by the heavy-lifting and political risk-taking of Biden, Harris and the Dems and absolutely nothing to do with anything he did. Unless someone considers adding Trillions to the defict in order to produce a million fewer jobs, ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic and all of the deaths, supply-chain collapse, business and school closures, massive jobs destruction by the millions, hyper-inflation, skyrocketing prices and opportunistic corporate price-gouging that naturally and unavoidable followed to have been "good" for America.
And, bear in mind, as has been fully substantiated by all available evidence and data, Bidenomics and those 2018 and 2019 wage increases enacted first in primarily Blue Cities and Blue States has also generously out-paced the Cost Of Living increases triggered by Trump's Pandemic groceries, rent and, oh, even things like speculative crypto stock purchases. Obviously.
[B]Trump Win Shows Political Limits of Bidens Industrial Policy Vision.
Long-term economic investments in domestic manufacturing were overshadowed by real-time anxiety over rent and grocery prices.
Nov. 8, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/trump-biden-economy-manufacturing.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]An irony for Mr. Biden is that Mr. Trump could soon benefit from investments that Mr. Biden set in motion. Although Mr. Trump has said that he wants to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act, [b]he is likely to meet resistance from Republicans.
In August, a group of 18 House Republicans sent a letter to Speaker Mike Johnson urging him to prioritize business and market certainty as he considers repealing the climate and tax law.
Energy tax credits have spurred innovation, incentivized investment, and created good jobs in many parts of the country including many districts represented by members of our conference, the Republican lawmakers wrote.[/b]
This month, Mr. Johnson suggested that he would look to repeal the bipartisan CHIPS and Science Act. [B]He then walked that back, explaining that he would look to streamline and improve the law, which provided more than $50 billion to the semiconductor manufacturing industry.[/b]
Mr. Trump could ultimately end up declaring that the new factories and jobs were his doing.
The Trump administration will have the ability to claim a lot of the credit and wins for this, said Todd Tucker, director of the industrial policy and trade program at the Roosevelt Institute.[/QUOTE]Lolol. Remember all those Bidenomics good and higher wage-creating jobs projects ribbon-cutings that lying congressional Repubs raced over to in order to bamboozle their sucker constituencies into thinking they had something to do with them when their only contribution was to vote AGAINST them? Lolol.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960148]I have democratic friends who won't even talk to me now. I have others that do not want to hear anything about how well I am doing since the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. As I am currently typing this I have a girl over watching a movie on the brand new Haier 65", OLED, Smart TV that was delivered today and put up on my wall. Paid for with profits from the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. Holla!
Don't hate! The Democrats do not support crypto. BTC is 84,000/ USD and climbing as I write this. Trump has not even taken office yet. [B]Gotta love it when plan comes together[/B]![/QUOTE]First of all, 65" is kind of small, isn't it. Is that your first big flat-screen tv? Most people find you don't start replicating anything like a cinema experience until you hit 75" or larger.
But no matter.
You know all of these speculative crypto stock purchases are being made with Bidenomics money and none of it with Trump's Pandemic money, right?
In fact, practically ALL of the money going into this typical post-election relief rally is Bidenomics money and no Trump's Pandemic money. Except maybe purchases made by pharmaceutical company executives and funeral home owners I suppose.
So at this point no presidential administration has been more materially pro crypto than the Biden-Harris Administration.
Just sayin'.
Fuck CCPland.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/11/business/trump-china-trade-war.html[/URL]
Fuck NAFTA.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/business/economy/trump-mexico-trade-tariffs-car-factories.html[/URL]
Fuck the EU.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/business/economy/europe-economy-donald-trump.html[/URL]
When Netanyahou will kill many jews all over the world, from his war, and even maybe more than Hamas and Hezbollah. No brain Trump should also kill many US, when not caring about pollution, when then increasing hurricanes and fire now around LA and NYC. And of course, killing children with free weapons, when they already killed Indians. But US always made good business, when their citizens died. Wars are always good for US business.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2960306]Fuck CCPland.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/11/business/trump-china-trade-war.html[/URL]
Fuck NAFTA.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/business/economy/trump-mexico-trade-tariffs-car-factories.html[/URL]
Fuck the EU.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/business/economy/europe-economy-donald-trump.html[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/12/business/hong-kong-luxury-property.html[/URL]
The CCP Trump Fire Sale!
Really getting tired of the sore loser democrats. Makes it seem to me it is the first time they ever voted. They had their virginity taken and didn't even get a kiss. Now they are angry. LOL!
That's right, pleased to meet you; I still won't tell you my name; Don't you believe in mystery?; Dont you want to play my game?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296]You know all of these [b]speculative crypto stock purchases[/b] are being made with Bidenomics money and none of it with Trump's Pandemic money, right?[/QUOTE]Until you roll out some data to back up your statement it is your opinion at best and [B]YOU LIE[/B] at worst.
Define what a crypto stock is? Tell me how it is purchased? Lastly, why do you think it is speculative?
[I]Im looking for a man to love me; Like I've never been loved before; Im looking for a man that'll do it anywhere; Even on the limousine floor[/I]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296] In fact, practically ALL of the money going into this typical post-election relief rally is Bidenomics money and no Trump's Pandemic money. Except maybe purchases made by pharmaceutical company executives and funeral home owners I suppose.[/QUOTE]Until you roll out some data to back up your statement it is your opinion at best and you lie at worst.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296] So at this point no presidential administration has been more materially pro crypto than the Biden-Harris Administration.[/QUOTE]Now you are straight out lying like the best politicians at the highest of levels.
[I]The SEC continued to view cryptocurrency-related enforcement as a top priority, bringing 46 enforcement actions against various digital-asset market participants in 2023. This number is the highest since 2013 and a 53% increase from 2022[/I]
[I]In the first months of 2023, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has notably ramped up its cryptocurrency-related enforcement. As of June 6, the SEC has brought 24 cryptocurrency enforcement actions between litigations and administrative proceedings. The number of cryptocurrency enforcement actions brought by the SEC in 2023 is advancing at a record pace[/I]
You were saying what exactly again? I don't consider enforcement actions against a industry that has held talks with the SEC in an attempt to become compliant with regulatory efforts. SEC Chair Gary has been playing gotcha games with the industry. That (compound profanity redacted) even taught a course on Crypto Currency.
[I]SEC Chair Gary Gensler has made clear that he believes the existing securities regime appropriately governs cryptocurrencies. In his view, most cryptocurrencies are securities based on the Howey test. Under the Howey test, a transaction is considered a security if it meets four criteria:
money is invested;
there is an expectation that the investor will earn a profit;
the investment is a common enterprise; and
profits are generated through the efforts of others.
Yet recent cases have shown that determining whether a cryptocurrency is a security is a complex task that may not always have a clear answer. This uncertainty has increasingly prompted some judges to question why there is no specific regulation addressing cryptocurrency. For instance, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the District of Columbia, who is presiding over the SECs case against Binance, made her views known on this issue during a hearing when she asked:
Wheres the SEC been? Does that matter why is it that if theyre trying to achieve legislation, is that some suggestion theres something missing in the statute to cover this? Why are we doing this on a coin-by-coin, case-by-case, judge-by-judge litigation which depends on the vagaries of the individual districts as opposed to issuing a reg that tells everybody this is it?
Similarly, U.S. District Court Judge Katherine Polk Failla of the Southern District of New York, who is overseeing the SECs case against Coinbase, made similar remarks last fall, noting that neither Congress nor the federal courts have made any definitive determinations on whether certain crypto qualifies as a security.
These judges are not alone in questioning whether cryptocurrency requires tailored regulation. Seeking a uniform system of regulation has been a priority of many cryptocurrency lobbyists. Although the legislative efforts in Congress have made some progress, the SEC has been pushing back on the need for new rules on the securities side. The SEC has similarly rejected Coinbases petition last year asking the SEC to make a clear set of rules to determine if a token is a security and to specify how issuers can legally register with the SEC. Following the rejection, Coinbases chief legal officer Paul Grewal stated that no one looking fairly at the industry thinks the law is clear. He called for a further dialogue stating that he would rather work together with the SEC to create laws that will benefit consumers than defend lawsuits based on legal positions that change month after month.[/I]
I ask again, what exactly are you talking about? You have already admitted that you don't know anything about crypto.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959703]I don't follow the crypto scene and have barely ever mentioned it even in passing here.[/QUOTE][B]I know[/B]! But suddenly you are an expert on monetary inflows to the crypto market. Where did this sudden knowledge infusion come from?
[I]Thats right, it's been a long time; Since I had a man that did it real good; If you ain't scared, take it out; Ill do it like a real life nasty girl should[/I]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296] First of all, 65" is kind of small, isn't it. Is that your first big flat-screen tv? Most people find you don't start replicating anything like a cinema experience until you hit 75" or larger. [b]But no matter[/b].[/QUOTE]No brother [B]size matters[/B]. When girls come over to look at my 65" TV they do not have the reaction that you had. They say it is perfectly fine. When I drop my pants and show them what I am working with they say: [B]Oh my, thats big[/B].
You have not told us the size of your TV. But I bet when you drop your pants a girls reaction is: [I]Uh, is that it? Wake me when you're done; I guess you'll be the only one having fun[/I] - Nasty Girls, [B]Vanity 6[/B].
[B]How you like me now?
ROTLMAO[/B]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2960326]When Netanyahou will kill many jews all over the world, from his war, and even maybe more than Hamas and Hezbollah. No brain Trump should also kill many US, when not caring about pollution, when then increasing hurricanes and fire now around LA and NYC. And of course, killing children with free weapons, when they already killed Indians. But US always made good business, when their citizens died. Wars are always good for US business.[/QUOTE][B]Exxon CEO says Trump should keep USA Involved in global climate change efforts.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/12/exxon-ceo-says-trump-should-keep-us-involved-in-global-effort-to-address-climate-change.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE] The U.S. should continue to influence global climate change policy under a second Trump administration, Exxon CEO Darren Woods said.
President-elect Donald Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris climate agreement in 2017 and is expected to do so again in his second term.
Woods warned that Exxons investments in carbon capture technologies would change if federal tax incentives are weakened under Trump.
President-elect Donald Trump should keep the U.S. involved in global efforts to address climate change, Exxon Mobil CEO Darren Woods said Tuesday.
Trump should try to bring a common sense approach to the annual U.N. Climate Change Conference and continue to have the U.S. influence policy around the world, Woods told CNBCs Squawk Box Tuesday. Woods spoke from the climate conference, which kicked off this week in Baku, Azerbaijan.
Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris climate agreement in 2017 and is expected to do so again in his second term. President Joe Biden signed an order to rejoin the agreement on his first day in office in 2021, a decision that Exxon supported.
Trump slammed the Paris agreement as horribly unfair to the U.S. and vowed to rescind all unspent funds under the Inflation Reduction Act in an address to the Economic Club of New York in September. He made energy policy a central part of his campaign platform, calling for unconstrained fossil fuel production.
Exxon has plans to invest $20 billion through 2027 in carbon capture and storage technology, hydrogen fuel, and lithium mining in the U.S. for electric vehicle batteries.
Woods told CNBC on Tuesday that Exxons investments in technologies to lower emissions depend on federal tax credits that were established or expanded under the IRA. He warned that the companys investments in these technologies would change if the incentives are weakened or repealed.
"There needs to be an incentive to reward those investments and generate a return, Woods said. If we find that those incentives dissipate or go away entirely, then that would definitely change our investment plans.
Wood previously said Exxons oil and gas production levels will not change, at least in the short term, in response to the outcome of the U.S. presidential election.
Im not sure how drill, baby, drill translates into policy, Woods told CNBCs Squawk Box on Nov. 1, referencing one of Trumps campaign slogans.
The CEO said Exxon has not faced constraints on its shale production under the Biden administration. Exxons production levels are based on how much money the company can return to shareholders, not which political party is on office, he said.
Exxon shares have risen more than 20% since the start of the year. [/QUOTE]
[B]Majority of Americans support more nuclear power in the country[/B]
[I]A majority of U.S. adults remain supportive of expanding nuclear power in the country, according to a Pew Research Center survey from May. Overall, 56% say they favor more nuclear power plants to generate electricity. This share is statistically unchanged from last year.
[b]Republicans are more likely than Democrats to favor expanding nuclear power to generate electricity in the U.S[/b]. Two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they support this, compared with about half of Democrats and Democratic leaners.
Republicans have supported nuclear power in greater shares than Democrats each time this question has been asked since 2016.[/I]
[URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/05/majority-of-americans-support-more-nuclear-power-in-the-country/[/URL]
Democrats oppose crypto. Democrats oppose nuclear power. But if you got a dick and want to identify as a girl then they got at a government program for that!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2960326]When Netanyahou will kill many jews all over the world, from his war, and even maybe more than Hamas and Hezbollah. No brain Trump should also kill many US, when not caring about pollution, when then increasing hurricanes and fire now around LA and NYC. And of course, killing children with free weapons, when they already killed Indians. But US always made good business, when their citizens died. Wars are always good for US business.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-most-pro-trump-racial-demographic-in-2024-was-american-indians/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=blog-post&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-bar-latest&utm_term=fourth[/URL]
And the American people aren't a bunch of baby Butchers EITHER so there was no ROEVEMBER as some baby butchering monsters cheered for.
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/abortion-was-not-a-winning-strategy-for-democrats-mainstream-media-realize/[/URL]
In case anyone thought those Trump Tariff American Consumer Tax Increases did or will go to any of his "America First" horseshit, to "fund Child Care", to "get back at China" or any such nonsense, this was and is the only reason Trump proposed and enacted them.
I for one hope he does his 10% to 20% Tax Increases on the American Consumer on Day One and never lets up along with keeping every other campaign promise he made.
Elections have consequences.
[B]Trump's tariff threats send U.S. companies scrambling for lobbyists and loopholes[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/12/trump-tariffs-companies-scramble-lobbyist-loopholes.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]U.S. companies are flooding lobbyists phone lines, looking to connect with the right people to protect their businesses from Donald Trumps hardline tariff approach.
Trump made universal tariffs a core tenet of his economic campaign pitch, floating a 20% tax on all imports from all countries with a specifically harsh 60% rate for Chinese goods.
A 2021 research study found that in Trumps first term the administration was more likely to exempt companies from import taxes when the requests came from lobbying firms that had made political contributions to the Republican Party.[/QUOTE]It's hilarious to hear Mainstream Media pundits going on and on about how if only someone explained to Trump and his Repubs that his across-the-board Tarifffs are really increased taxes on the American Consumer, are not "paid by China" or any other country, that President-elect "Elonia" Musk's plan for either the elimination or Executive Office influence on the Fed will shatter the best means ever devised to prevent the total collapse of Capitalism and a complex national economy and so on, then he will back off those plans.
It is astonishing to me that so many still don't get that these repeated Great Repub Crashes, Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Historic Great Repub Jobs Destruction over the past 100 years or so are not, repeat not, accidents, bad timing for Repubs, bad luck for Repubs or terrible things that just "happen out of the blue" and could just as well have happened under Dems but, mysteriously, never do. LOL.
Folks, those crap results are the entire purpose and mission of a Repub presidency. Even numbskull Donald Trump figured that out before entering politics.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960368]Really getting tired of the sore loser democrats. Makes it seem to me it is the first time they ever voted. They had their virginity taken and didn't even get a kiss. Now they are angry. LOL!
That's right, pleased to meet you; I still won't tell you my name; Don't you believe in mystery?; Dont you want to play my game?
Until you roll out some data to back up your statement it is your opinion at best and [B]YOU LIE[/B] at worst.
Define what a crypto stock is? Tell me how it is purchased? Lastly, why do you think it is speculative?
[I]Im looking for a man to love me; Like I've never been loved before; Im looking for a man that'll do it anywhere; Even on the limousine floor[/I]
Until you roll out some data to back up your statement it is your opinion at best and you lie at worst.
Now you are straight out lying like the best politicians at the highest of levels.
[I]The SEC continued to view cryptocurrency-related enforcement as a top priority, bringing 46 enforcement actions against various digital-asset market participants in 2023. This number is the highest since 2013 and a 53% increase from 2022[/I]
[I]In the first months of 2023, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has notably ramped up its cryptocurrency-related enforcement. As of June 6, the SEC has brought 24 cryptocurrency enforcement actions between litigations and administrative proceedings. The number of cryptocurrency enforcement actions brought by the SEC in 2023 is advancing at a record pace[/I]
You were saying what exactly again? I don't consider enforcement actions against a industry that has held talks with the SEC in an attempt to become compliant with regulatory efforts. SEC Chair Gary has been playing gotcha games with the industry. That (compound profanity redacted) even taught a course on Crypto Currency.
[I]SEC Chair Gary Gensler has made clear that he believes the existing securities regime appropriately governs cryptocurrencies. In his view, most cryptocurrencies are securities based on the Howey test. Under the Howey test, a transaction is considered a security if it meets four criteria:
money is invested;
there is an expectation that the investor will earn a profit;
the investment is a common enterprise; and
profits are generated through the efforts of others.
Yet recent cases have shown that determining whether a cryptocurrency is a security is a complex task that may not always have a clear answer. This uncertainty has increasingly prompted some judges to question why there is no specific regulation addressing cryptocurrency. For instance, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the District of Columbia, who is presiding over the SECs case against Binance, made her views known on this issue during a hearing when she asked:
Wheres the SEC been? Does that matter why is it that if theyre trying to achieve legislation, is that some suggestion theres something missing in the statute to cover this? Why are we doing this on a coin-by-coin, case-by-case, judge-by-judge litigation which depends on the vagaries of the individual districts as opposed to issuing a reg that tells everybody this is it?
Similarly, U.S. District Court Judge Katherine Polk Failla of the Southern District of New York, who is overseeing the SECs case against Coinbase, made similar remarks last fall, noting that neither Congress nor the federal courts have made any definitive determinations on whether certain crypto qualifies as a security.
These judges are not alone in questioning whether cryptocurrency requires tailored regulation. Seeking a uniform system of regulation has been a priority of many cryptocurrency lobbyists. Although the legislative efforts in Congress have made some progress, the SEC has been pushing back on the need for new rules on the securities side. The SEC has similarly rejected Coinbases petition last year asking the SEC to make a clear set of rules to determine if a token is a security and to specify how issuers can legally register with the SEC. Following the rejection, Coinbases chief legal officer Paul Grewal stated that no one looking fairly at the industry thinks the law is clear. He called for a further dialogue stating that he would rather work together with the SEC to create laws that will benefit consumers than defend lawsuits based on legal positions that change month after month.[/I]
I ask again, what exactly are you talking about? You have already admitted that you don't know anything about crypto.
[B]I know[/B]! But suddenly you are an expert on monetary inflows to the crypto market. Where did this sudden knowledge infusion come from?
[I]Thats right, it's been a long time; Since I had a man that did it real good; If you ain't scared, take it out; Ill do it like a real life nasty girl should[/I]
No brother [B]size matters[/B]. When girls come over to look at my 65" TV they do not have the reaction that you had. They say it is perfectly fine. When I drop my pants and show them what I am working with they say: [B]Oh my, thats big[/B].
You have not told us the size of your TV. But I bet when you drop your pants a girls reaction is: [I]Uh, is that it? Wake me when you're done; I guess you'll be the only one having fun[/I] - Nasty Girls, [B]Vanity 6[/B].
[B]How you like me now?
ROTLMAO[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960148]I have democratic friends who won't even talk to me now. I have others that do not want to hear anything about how well I am doing since the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. As I am currently typing this I have a girl over watching a movie on the brand new Haier 65", OLED, Smart TV that was delivered today and put up on my wall. Paid for with profits from the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. Holla!
Don't hate! The Democrats do not support crypto. BTC is 84,000/ USD and climbing as I write this. Trump has not even taken office yet. [B]Gotta love it when plan comes together[/B]![/QUOTE]First of all, you'll probably want to get a good soundbar to go with that flat-screen tv. Samsung makes very good ones and are sold at Power Buy and Power Mall in Thailand. It really improves the desired cinematic experience.
I recommend one with a wireless sub-woofer and at least a 3-way or 3-channel speaker system where you can increase the center channel for dialog independent of the other channels. Very important. Which is something you can't do effectively with a 2-channel / stereo soundbar. With those the explosions and big sound effects compete too much and overwhelm the dialog.
Otherwise, didn't you write this?
[B]"Paid for with profits from the [i]Trump Pump[/i]. Holla!"[/B]
If American dollars going into the stock market today, any stocks, or to buy eggs or to travel or to go to the movies or to buy electronics or anything has not been generated from the business and commerce of the American economy, and more of it from a thriving and growing one like the current one under Biden-Harris than crashing ones like those under Hoover, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump, where did it come from?
As a perfectly happy "loser" as long as the expected typical Great Repub Economic Downturn does not accomplish the near impossible task of so screwing up the historically great USA Economy that Biden-Harris and the Dems handed Trump that it significantly negatively effects my California rental property income, my company pension and my Social Security, something it could surely do and they will definitely try, it is informative to at least assess the real numbers in this recent election.
And on that count, it is clear that:
1. It was not a Red Tsunsmi, a landslide or anything of the kind.
2. The various poll consensus' were as accurate as they have ever been. They showed that the National and Battlegrounds were within a normal +/-MoE for either side and that is exactly how it turned out.
3. Thanks to typically pro Repub Mainstream Media efforts to keep these races nose-to-nose to the finish, as they did in 2016 and 2020, the outcome of such a knife's edge difference was a slight lean to Trump (in the Electoral College part, that is) in 2016, a slight lean to Biden in 2020 and now a slight lean to Trump in 2024. Completely within the realm of a coin-flip, as MSM wants it to be.
4. Harris did best and closest to having that MSM-constructed knife's edge lean fall in the Dems' direction in the Battleground States that she showed up to be seen and heard in person, to campaign in the most.
5. Regarding the above, the final in PA was Trump +2 points, in MI Trump +1. 4 point and in WI Trump +0. 8 point. Had enough financially comfortable Dem voters, anti-female voters, anti-mixed ethnicity voters, pro crypto voters or whatever come out to increase those within a normal +/-MoE numbers by simply 1 voter more than half, that is PA up 1 point, MI up 0. 7 point and WI up 0. 4 point for Harris, then President-elect Trump would be transgendered into President-elect Harris even without the public funding of that sex-change operation in his prison cell as is required by a 1976 law and fully confirmed and signed off on by Trump's DOJ in 2018.
It was that close.
6. The Senate swung 3 seats to the Repubs as was expected this time around due to this particular Repub-advantaged year and it looks like it will come down to another very close split in the House, a 4-5 seat swing being enough to flip the Majority as it has been for several years.
Again, not a Red Tsunsmi and not a landslide.
However, that is not to say that a Repub potus squeaker or a 1 Repub seat Majority in the House or in the Senate or certainly any combination of those does not give Repubs plenty of power to really fuck everything up within 6 months. It does. They have proven several times over that it does.
[B]Trumps win was real but not a landslide. Heres where it ranks.
Nov. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/09/politics/donald-trump-election-what-matters/index.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296]First of all, 65" is kind of small, isn't it. Is that your first big flat-screen tv?[/QUOTE]Yes, you have no clue what OLED means.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296]You know all of these speculative crypto stock purchases are being made with Bidenomics money and none of it with Trump's Pandemic money, right?[/QUOTE]Trump wins the election and things go up and the Dems get the credit in your mind? Yeah, that was a shocker.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960296]So at this point no presidential administration has been more materially pro crypto than the Biden-Harris Administration.
Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Someone is smoking some of that potent Thai weeeed!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960392][B]Exxon CEO says Trump should keep USA Involved in global climate change efforts.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/12/exxon-ceo-says-trump-should-keep-us-involved-in-global-effort-to-address-climate-change.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]If Trump removes Biden's executive order to stop issuance of permits for new LNG (liquefied natural gas) liquefaction plants, he might just do more to lower carbon emissions than what Biden and other politicians did with their subsidies and pork in the poorly named Inflation Reduction Act. That's because a good part of our exported natural gas substitutes for coal, and coal emits more carbon than natural gas for the same amount of energy.
If Democrats wanted to preserve Exxon's carbon mitigation projects, they should run candidates who haven't migrated so far to the left that they can't win national elections. Oh yeah, and they also ought to stop trying to sue Exxon out of existence for its history as an oil and gas producer. State Democratic Party attorney generals are trying to do to Big Oil what they did to Big Tobacco.
Wow. A Trump Double-Header today.
Donald Trump has followed the pattern of every Repub since and including Ronald Reagan right up to Trump Disaster Part 1, to bamboozle their sucker voting base into believing them when they say they want "smaller government" and to "cut government spending" etc and then promptly growing the government and increasing government spending every year of their presidency, often shockingly so, by alreading growing his Trump Disaster Part 2!
Yeah, you're right. There is no such "Department" in the Cabinet. Trump just pulled it out of his ass, declared it without an Act of Congress and thereby grew the size of government before he even takes office, a Waste, Fraud, Abuse and Grow The Size of Government accomplishment no previous Repub potus has been able to claim:
[B]Trump announces Musk, Ramaswamy will lead newly-created Department of Government Efficiency.
Nov. 12, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-new-department-of-government-efficiency/[/URL]
Also, remember when Trump made critical cuts in science and disease prevention in the Trump Disaster Part 1 against all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid but he did it anyway and it led directly to leaving America bare-ass naked against preventing and treating deadly virus spreads, ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic, mass murdering at least a million Americans, closing businesses and schools, crashing worldwide economies, collapsing global supply-chains, triggering hyper-inflation, skyrocketing prices for everything and the opportunistic corporate price-gouging that followed?
[B]Massive cuts to science and medicine in Trump budget.
June 12, 2017[/B]
[URL]https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5468112/[/URL]
Well, "smart businessman" Donald Trump has big plans to repeat that spectacularly destructive move in Trump Disaster Part 2:
[B]With Trump coming into power, the NIH is in the crosshairs.
Nov. 12, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://whyy.org/articles/national-institutes-of-health-donald-trump-second-term/amp/[/URL]
Elections have consequences.
Thank you for your vote.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960538]If Democrats wanted to preserve Exxon's carbon mitigation projects, they should run candidates who haven't migrated so far to the left that they can't win national elections. [/QUOTE]Agreed.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960538]Oh yeah, and they also ought to stop trying to sue Exxon out of existence for its history as an oil and gas producer. State Democratic Party attorney generals are trying to do to Big Oil what they did to Big Tobacco.[/QUOTE]Agreed. But Big Tobacco deserved it. Big Oil does not. I like my large diesel powered SUVs!
[B]Holla[/B]!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2960174]I will always be in favor of the most qualified to steer this country[/QUOTE]Thank you for a good laugh. These are dark times, and your comedy is especially welcome.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960392][B]Exxon CEO says Trump should keep USA Involved in global climate change efforts.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/12/exxon-ceo-says-trump-should-keep-us-involved-in-global-effort-to-address-climate-change.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]Trump mafia Musk doesn t even know about pollution when building his batteries, when earth turn, so pollution made in China = 30% of pollution, is everyday above US. With Trump, they will kill many US from pollution, hurricanes, fire and free weapons for too many crazy.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960368]Really getting tired of the sore loser democrats. Makes it seem to me it is the first time they ever voted. They had their virginity taken and didn't even get a kiss. Now they are angry. LOL![/QUOTE]Really? Try not conceding an election that you lost for 4 years now! Then not invite the true winner to the White House and work to ensure a smooth transition. Next, spark an insurrection in an attempt to overturn an election, then in shame fail to show up for the real winner's inauguration. That my friend is being a sore loser. Naw, it just became plain criminal! And he'll never pay for his crimes. You're damn right I'm pissed off! But, it's not over yet! Not even. One way or another, I'm convinced Trump's going to get his! Because what goes around comes around. Trump will reap what he has sown! Nobody can be talking about us Democrats being sore losers with a straight face after all Trump and his disgusting sycophants have done. Place that shoe where it fits. And that's with the MAGA extremists!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960630]Really? Try not conceding an election that you lost for 4 years now! Then not invite the true winner to the White House and work to ensure a smooth transition. Next, spark an insurrection in an attempt to overturn an election, then in shame fail to show up for the real winner's inauguration. That my friend is being a sore loser. Naw, it just became plain criminal! And he'll never pay for his crimes. [b]You're damn right I'm pissed off[/b]! But, it's not over yet! Not even. One way or another, I'm convinced Trump's going to get his! Because what goes around comes around. Trump will reap what he has sown![/QUOTE]Can we say anger management problem? But it is ok. [I]You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you get what you need[/I].
My portfolio likes the Trump Pump. Do not mistake that as me being a MAGA extremist. The Democratic Party ignored the crypto vote. Are you saying that was a good policy decision? Because for me that was the only thing that mattered to me. Because of that I could not even consider the Democratic candidate for the presidency of the United States of America.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960630][b]Nobody can be talking about us Democrats being sore losers with a straight face after all Trump and his disgusting sycophants have done[/b]. Place that shoe where it fits. And that's with the MAGA extremists![/QUOTE]I am doing exactly that. But more than that I look a my crypto portfolio everyday and laugh. So actually it is not a straight face I am actually smiling. [B]How you like me now[/B]?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960453]Democrats oppose crypto. Democrats oppose nuclear power. [b]But if you got a dick and want to identify as a girl then they got at a government program for that[/b]![/QUOTE]How about running a legitimate candidate for president? How about instituting policies that appear to the citizens of the United States of America. How about getting back to your roots?
[I]It is the economy, stupid[/I] - Famous Democrat said that while running a winning campaign for his candidate for the presidency of the United States of America.
It is time to look in the mirror and do some internal work my brother. You got midterm elections in two years and a wide open presidency in four. Start grooming AOC. She's ready!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960495]First of all, you'll probably want to get a good soundbar to go with that flat-screen tv. Samsung makes very good ones and are sold at Power Buy and Power Mall in Thailand. It really improves the desired cinematic experience.
I recommend one with a wireless sub-woofer and at least a 3-way or 3-channel speaker system where you can increase the center channel for dialog independent of the other channels. Very important. Which is something you can't do effectively with a 2-channel / stereo soundbar. With those the explosions and big sound effects compete too much and overwhelm the dialog.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice on the home theater set up. I have a salesman that keep me up to date on current specials in the store (Power Buy, Central Mall, Next to View Talay 6, Pattaya, Thailand). I will tell him what I am seeking. He will let me know if if goes on special.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960495]Otherwise, didn't you write this?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960148]I have democratic friends who won't even talk to me now. I have others that do not want to hear anything about how well I am doing since the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. As I am currently typing this I have a girl over watching a movie on the brand new Haier 65", OLED, Smart TV that was delivered today and put up on my wall. Paid for with profits from the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. Holla!
Don't hate! [b]The Democrats do not support crypto[/b]. BTC is 84,000/ USD and climbing as I write this. Trump has not even taken office yet. [B]Gotta love it when plan comes together[/B]![/QUOTE]Correction: BTC just hit 91,981. 63 as a ATH as I am writing this!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960495]If American dollars going into the stock market today, any stocks, or to buy eggs or to travel or to go to the movies or to buy electronics or anything has not been generated from the business and commerce of the American economy, and more of it from a thriving and growing one like the current one under Biden-Harris than crashing ones like those under Hoover, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump, where did it come from?[/QUOTE]Stock market has been doing just fine for me. I am unconcerned about assets that produce cash flow. I have enough of that to pay my personal expenses. I am more interested in hard money (Gold and BTC). I am interested in assets that increase in value rapidly so I can sell them and pay the outrageous taxes Democrats want me to pay and then use them to buy a sound bar. I need BTC to go at least 100,000 before I can do that just so I can pay my taxes and still have enough left over to buy my sound bar.
But that is where you need to just stop. Because you continue to embarrass yourself with your lack of knowledge of Bitcoin (BTC), macro and micro economics.
[U]Increase in money supply[/U]
Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve Bank of America? I am not here to give economic lessons. But look up what happens to the money supply when this institution lowers the federal funds rate. The Federal Reserve Bank is independent of the government of the United States of America. Other than the Presidential Ability to appoint the Fed Governors.
[U]Bitcoin[/U]
It is world wide. Traded 24/007/365. The holdings of the citizens and government of the United States of America is just a small part of the overall 1.72 Trillion market cap.
[B]Why do you think is only money from the citizens of the United States of America and their institutions that are driving the current crypto market pump[/B]?
I have asked you to provide data. You cannot. Because the flow of money into the crypto market is worldwide.
Now I am going to head you off at the pass. It is the [I]Trump Pump[/I] because the words and policies of Trump were known worldwide. So when he was elected that was positive for crypto worldwide. The (compound profanity redacted) SEC chair needs to go. The SEC can fuck with you world wide if you want to do any business in the United States of America. Putting a boot in the ass of that (compound profanity redacted) was reason ALONE enough for me to support Trump. The promise of a BTC strategic reserve will start a nation state bidding war for BTC. MSTR is racing 2 billion dollars to buy BTC.
[B]The Defense Rests[/B]!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960630]Nobody can be talking about us Democrats being sore losers with a straight face after all Trump and his disgusting sycophants have done. Place that shoe where it fits. And that's with the MAGA extremists![/QUOTE]Suing your political opponent into the ground in a victimless act and trying to take $450 million from him was Democrats being rational? If you have not heard Cane, let me enlighten you. Loretta James and her crew were damn near begging the judges on the appeals court not to write them up on sanctions for election interference.
As for the criminal case, if you think Trump is going to let that sit, you are out of your mind. With the House and Senate, Trump has carte blanche to investigate and jail all those involved in the criminal case that was blatant election interference. It is going to come out that this prosecution did not originate from a local district attorney but from the Biden White House.
Then you have the absolute insane jailings of Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon. Now you Democratic douches want to ignore Congressional subpoenas, you douches can go to jail. I don't like that but hey your extremist asses start it.
So add it all up, the censorship, the civil case, the criminal case, the absolute hypocrisy on presidential documents, jailing political opponents, and you assholes have engaged in such low life tactics that you would make third world banana republics blush. And then you have the assassination attempts and the complete incompetence of the secret service. Weren't you douches cheering those assassinations on?
And now we have the latest from FEMA. Yeah, homes with Trump signs were not going to get FEMA aid, and you are telling us we are extremists and due for a comeuppance? Go f yourself!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2960509]Yes, you have no clue what OLED means.
Trump wins the election and things go up and the Dems get the credit in your mind? Yeah, that was a shocker.
Someone is smoking some of that potent Thai weeeed![/QUOTE]I know enough about OLED to be absolutely certain it does not increase the size of a 65" flat-screen tv to a 75" or 85" flat-screen tv. Now you just learned something about OLED. You're welcome.
I also know enough about typical post-election stock market relief rallies to know that Biden's election-to-election stock market gain as measured by the S&P 500 Index dwarfed that of Trump's, 70% plus vs Trump's 50% plus.
And I know enough about Biden's "Envy of the World Economy" that even Fux News Trump TV Murdoch's Wall Street Journal grudgingly but accurately characterized with the headline, [B]The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant[/B], had absolutely nothing to do with anything Donald Trump did 4 years ago, 5 years ago, 6 years ago, 7 years ago, this year, last week, this week or today.
And I know that today Trump met with Joe Biden, who is more accomplished, a far better president, has created more jobs, recovered a worse Economy more successfully and is this very day more cognitively competent, better informed, better prepared and more fit to serve as President of the United States of America than any Repub potus of the past 100 years if not ever but especially more than Donald Trump has been in his entire life or ever will be.
I have also heard from those who partake, which I don't, that the Thai weed sold in the cannabis shops is rather weak compared to others.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2960649]Suing your political opponent into the ground in a victimless act and trying to take $450 million from him was Democrats being rational? If you have not heard Cane, let me enlighten you. Loretta James and her crew were damn near begging the judges on the appeals court not to write them up on sanctions for election interference.
As for the criminal case, if you think Trump is going to let that sit, you are out of your mind. With the House and Senate, Trump has carte blanche to investigate and jail all those involved in the criminal case that was blatant election interference. It is going to come out that this prosecution did not originate from a local district attorney but from the Biden White House.
Then you have the absolute insane jailings of Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon. Now you Democratic douches want to ignore Congressional subpoenas, you douches can go to jail. I don't like that but hey your extremist asses start it.
So add it all up, the censorship, the civil case, the criminal case, the absolute hypocrisy on presidential documents, jailing political opponents, and you assholes have engaged in such low life tactics that you would make third world banana republics blush. And then you have the assassination attempts and the complete incompetence of the secret service. Weren't you douches cheering those assassinations on?
And now we have the latest from FEMA. Yeah, homes with Trump signs were not going to get FEMA aid, and you are telling us we are extremists and due for a comeuppance? Go f yourself![/QUOTE]I see you totally ignored the subject of the post, which was acting like a sore loser once you've lost. Eff you too!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960267]Bloviator.[/QUOTE]Okay, but a [i]"Spineless"[/i], flip-flop artist and bothsider/neithersider guy?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2960185][b] Spineless aka Tiny[/b]
That is my best nickname for Tiny, who says Elvis is a "free thinker," well how much fact checking do you think Elvis does? You are a syrupy, nauseating insult to true intellectuals, who by definition test the claims. They don't just believe it when some big mouth YouTuber lays out his latest provocative and spurious argument. They don't just swallow Trump's millionth lie. They fact check. [/QUOTE]Yes indeed and quite right!
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2959353]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.[/QUOTE]
Oh, please already, with the continual "Big Lie" conspiracy nonsense!
The 2024 election numbers are only now being finalized and the off-the-cuff, deranged, hair-brained conspiratorial logic, to defend the "Big Lie" begins.
First let's state the obvious, that despite the MAGA "Big Lies", countless lost court cases or MAGA "ninja forensics" election probes, there has never been any evidence that the 2020 elections, wasn't anything, but a free and fair election.
Second, if we take a moment and think rationally and dispassionately, about what the numbers between elections REALLY tell us, you'll see it's more about a poorer than expected Dems voter turnout and election voter suppression and disinformation, when compared with 2020.
Harris: 72,350,352 (48.11%), Trump: 75,491,241 (50.2%), is only a difference of 3.1 million. Which indicates the country is still more or less a 50/50 split.
Only 63% of eligible voters, bothered to showed up. Trump only had, just slightly more than 50% of those voters.
This was NOT a high turnout election and turnout was lower for both candidates. But especially for Harris at only 31%, where Biden had 37% turnout.
Repubs have gotten more aggressive and sophisticated, at voter suppression, voter list purges and voter intimidation.
Repubs/Russian backed-interference, disinformation and 'swatting', were alarming. Notably in Dem urban Black and Brown voting communities.
Reduced polling stations in urban communities and urban centers, forcing urban (largely Dem) voters to wait in untenable and longer 2-4hr lines, putting off voters.
For the foreseeable future due the nature EC and today's handful of key swing states, it looks like all elections going forward are going to be senselessly close to 50/50, no matter how the rest of the country votes.
Third, enough already, with the 2020 election "big lie", conjuncture and conspiracies. Stick to the conspiracies you think you're good at, like COVID [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
But here, let me borrow from someone else's experience with another MAGA loony tunes, conspirator that was exposed, when confronted:
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2960185][b] Spineless aka Tiny[/b]
...
It's like the Marquis de Twot, and this stupid moron I met here in Medellin in Sweet Georgia Cafe who said he was a Marine. Well that's exactly what they mostly want in the Marines is meat heads. But he was going on about how Biden got so many more votes than Kamala, as proof of a stolen 2020 election. Okay got it, so I asked the 80 IQ guy where he thought all the extra votes came from in 2020, and he of course said illegals. Then I asked his dumbfuck ass why these illegals, who are now greater in numbers, didn't steal the latest election. [b][u]He had no answer,[/u] so I guess he's only left with Jewish space lasers, or whatever hogwash Elvis can pull off the blogs. But that's free thought according to Spineless [/b][/QUOTE]
Yes, where were the "Jewish space lasers" this time, Elvis 2008? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959353]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.[/QUOTE]What is Funny is all the Cope over What's her name's Defeat. -- The Bright Side is that President Trump 2. 0 is 100 x + More Powerful Because they Stole 2020.
All the ScumBags have been revealed-- MAGA Bitches.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2959353]Yeah, right. Trump has gotten 74 million votes in the 2020 and 2024 elections. In this election, Kamala is at 69 million. Hiliary got 66 million, and Obama got 62 million in 2012. You see any statistical outliers because I sure as fuck do not.
And then there is Biden in 2020. How many votes did he get? 81.4 million!
You mean Harris lost because one in eight Democrats sat out 2024? Give me a fucking break! The pattern is you get 3 or 4 million more votes per election, but in 2020, Biden supposedly got 15 million more votes than Hiliary.
I do not know how anyone with a functioning brain can look at these numbers and not conclude there was MASSIVE cheating that went on in 2020.[/QUOTE]What is Funny is all the Cope over What's her name's Defeat. -- The Bright Side is that President Trump 2. 0 is 100 x + More Powerful Because they Stole 2020.
All the ScumBags have been revealed-- MAGA Bitches-- It's Beginning to Feel a Lot Like TrumpMas Everywhere You Go!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960709][b]Oh, please already, with the continual "Big Lie" conspiracy nonsense![/b]
The 2024 election numbers are only now being finalized and the off-the-cuff, deranged, hair-brained conspiratorial logic, to defend the "Big Lie" begins.
First let's state the obvious, that despite the MAGA "Big Lies", countless lost court cases or MAGA "ninja forensics" election probes, there has never been any evidence that the 2020 elections, wasn't anything, but a free and fair election.
Second, if we take a moment and think rationally and dispassionately, about what the numbers between elections REALLY tell us, you'll see it's more about a poorer than expected Dems voter turnout and election voter suppression and disinformation, when compared with 2020.
Harris: 72,350,352 (48.11%), Trump: 75,491,241 (50.2%), is only a difference of 3.1 million. Which indicates the country is still more or less a 50/50 split.
Only 63% of eligible voters, bothered to showed up. Trump only had, just slightly more than 50% of those voters.
This was NOT a high turnout election and turnout was lower for both candidates. But especially for Harris at only 31%, where Biden had 37% turnout.
[b]Repubs have gotten more aggressive and sophisticated, at voter suppression, voter list purges and voter intimidation.
Repubs/Russian backed-interference, disinformation and 'swatting', were alarming. Notably in Dem urban Black and Brown voting communities.
Reduced polling stations in urban communities and urban centers, forcing urban (largely Dem) voters to wait in untenable and longer 2-4hr lines, putting off voters.[/b]
For the foreseeable future due the nature EC and today's handful of key swing states, it looks like all elections going forward are going to be senselessly close to 50/50, no matter how the rest of the country votes.
Third, enough already, with the 2020 election "big lie", conjuncture and conspiracies. Stick to the conspiracies you think you're good at, like COVID [i](...kkkk!)/i]
But here, let me borrow from someone else's experience with another MAGA loony tunes, conspirator that was exposed, when confronted:
Yes, where were the "Jewish space lasers" this time, Elvis 2008? [i](...kkkk!)[/i][/QUOTE]Take a Tiny Challenge Spidy. Please view the following links and tell us whether you believe the 2024 election was fair and square. Well, actually I guess you've already said it wasn't -- see bold text above.
Some links may not work as Elon Musk has been removing this stuff from the internet as fast as it pops up.
This wench Etherea is hot. If you're good at multi-tasking you can whack off while you're learning something about how politics really work in the USA.
[URL]https://x.com/hoofnmane/status/1856123969230848459[/URL]
[URL]https://x.com/AesPolitics1/status/1855473656547209370[/URL]
[URL]https://x.com/AnAct4Progress/status/1855482052885266734[/URL]
[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@etheria_963/photo/7436752615611829550[/URL]
[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@etheria77/photo/7436612390529060139[/URL]
[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@etheria77/video/7436386531838823726[/URL]
Even if Trump gets slapped back by horrified Senate Repubs and drops this nomination, the damage has been done!
[B]Trump picks Rep. Matt Gaetz as attorney general.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/trump-taps-rep-matt-gaetz-as-attorney-general.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Lololol. The Clown Trump-Musk Administration has now defined itself as such for all the world to see. No backing up and out of it now.
LOL. For one hot minute Little Marco and his supporters basked in the illusion that, hey, his nomination for Trump's Secretary of State could have been worse, it's kinda' sorta' plausible. Lolol.
Then the Tulsi Gabbard and that Fux News Weekend Host nominations came in.
And now THIS! LOL.
So now even poor Little Marco can only count himself among the Clown Trump Administration's Gallery of Freaks.
Honestly, proud MAGAs and Bothsider / Neithersider MAGAs, can you imagine Putin, Xi, Kim, name your favorite Anti-America, Anti-democratic Authoritarian, reacting to what is taking shape as the Clown Trump Freak and Clown Show with anything but total satisfaction and pleasure?
Of course not. Nobody could.
Kim Kardashian for Secretary of the Agriculture!
Rudy Giuliani for Secretary of the Treasury!
Lolol. Your overriding MAGA Repub mission to "own the libs" has resulted in only "owning" anyone the same way an arrogant fat man "owns" the passers-by who can not stifle their giggles when they see him slip on a banana peel and land smack on his fat, arrogant ass.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959266][b]Wow![/b]
Democrats are sore losers. Republicans are bad winners. Good bad or indifferent; [B]the country will get what they voted for[/B].[/QUOTE]As long as you are on a mission to point out and post about election "sore losers", how they should just get over it and accept it already, have you by any chance noticed there are 2-3 frequent poster MAGA Repubs on this forum who are STILL butt-hurt sore, weeping, whining and rehashing their Party's clear, decisive and fully litigatated multiple times LOSS of the 2020 election?
MORE than 4 Long Years Later.
And, as of this writing, without a word of admonition from you about it in all these four long years plus (from what I recall, could be wrong, maybe I missed it).
Just sayin'.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960640][U]Bitcoin[/U]
It is world wide. Traded 24/007/365. The holdings of the citizens and government of the United States of America is just a small part of the overall 1.72 Trillion market cap.
[B]Why do you think is only money from the citizens of the United States of America and their institutions that are driving the current crypto market pump[/B]?
I have asked you to provide data. You cannot. Because the flow of money into the crypto market is worldwide.
Now I am going to head you off at the pass. It is the [I]Trump Pump[/I] because the words and policies of Trump were known worldwide. So when he was elected that was positive rypto worldwide.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reminder.
[B]A most unusual recovery: How the US rebound from COVID differs from rest of G7[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-most-unusual-recovery-how-the-us-rebound-from-covid-differs-from-rest-of-g7/[/URL]
[QUOTE][B]Trade growth: strong demand for goods, supply constraints[/b]
While trade in some services particularly tourism came to a virtual standstill in 2020 and is only slowly recovering, trade in goods rebounded sharply after an initial decline, as demand for goods has been very strong.
Three key factors have shaped the dynamics of exports and imports across countries.
The first is the strength of domestic demand in the case of private consumption, driven primarily by household disposable income. The hefty size of fiscal stimulus in the United States in absolute terms and relative to other countries has played a key role in sustaining U.S. consumption [b]and imports.
In turn, the strength of U.S. demand has helped export growth in U.S. trading partners[/b], while the more subdued pace of domestic demand in U.S. trading partners is one factor holding back U.S. exports.
The second factor is the composition of economic activity pre-COVID countries where manufacturing is a more important share of GDP have [b]generally benefited from an increase in foreign demand,[/b] given the nature of the shock which has shifted spending from services to goods, while countries relying to an important extent on exports of services (think of tourism exports for countries such as Greece, Portugal, and Spain) have been hurt.
The third factor is supply constraints, which have affected goods production across the world. These have been triggered by a variety of factors, including reduced production and orders during the initial downturn, subsequent COVID-related shutdowns, [b]and the unexpectedly rapid rebound in demand.[/b] For instance, constraints in the availability of semiconductors have put a dent in global production of a variety of goods, such as autos, and affected exports in advanced economies, especially in the third quarter. Globally, firms facing supply bottlenecks accommodated strong demand by running down inventories, which are particularly low, and inflationary pressures increased across the globe, with soaring commodity prices and goods prices rising notably after a long period of stability.[/QUOTE]Yep. Bidenomics' early and massive jobs-directed and jobs-creating stimulus, not just a big dumb check sent out with a so-called president's stupid name on it, triggered a worldwide domino effect economic recovery from Trump's Pandemic's historic worldwide devastation.
Which was exactly the Consumer Demand needed to reactivate global supply-chains, get the world's economies moving again and to avoid another Global Great Repub Depression or Great Repub Recession.
Brilliant. And necessary unless you want the world to still be in such a deep Great Repub Depression or Great Repub Recession that few if anyone can afford to buy any stocks, crypto or not.
Shhh. Don't tell Larry Summers and Tiny about this.
And that is the post-Trump's Pandemic recovery discretionary money being plowed into crypto currency speculation this very day, the laughably named [I]Trump Pump[/I] that Trump had zero to do with facilitating with available discretionary speculation money.
Otherwise known as the income gains some people can now spend on rent, food, gas, travel, appliances or even crypto currency speculation.
Thank you Joe and Kamala for affording me this opportunity to educate Elvis on the fact that OLED technology has nothing whatsoever to do with the size of a flat-screen tv and for the opportunity to recommend a useful feature or two on a prospective soundbar for SubCmdr's lovely new big flat-screen tv.
A BONUS REPORT:
[B]The US recovery from COVID-19 in international comparison.[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-recovery-from-covid-19-in-international-comparison/[/URL]#text=This%20 recovery%20 has%20 been%20 possible, stimulus%20 behind%20 it%E2%80%94 a%20 success.
[QUOTE]The global financial crisis permanently scarred the U.S. economy.
Economic growth never regained its trend rate from before the crisis, which caused a substantial output gap to open up in the decade that followed, with chronically low inflation and discouraged workers among many symptoms.
We survey the U.S. recovery since COVID-19 and compare it to its G10 peer countries.
The U.S. is significantly outperforming its peers in investment and GDP per capita, even as the labor market is showing signs of strong as well as inclusive growth.
This recovery has been possible even as inflation has fallen back substantially, as the impact from supply chain disruptions at the height of COVID-19 has faded.
[B]Overall, this makes the recovery and fiscal stimulus behind it a success.[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960757]As long as you are on a mission to point out and post about election "sore losers", how they should just get over it and accept it already, have you by any chance noticed there are 2-3 frequent poster MAGA Repubs on this forum who are STILL butt-hurt sore, weeping, whining and rehashing their Party's clear, decisive and fully litigatated multiple times LOSS of the 2020 election?
MORE than 4 Long Years Later.
And, as of this writing, without a word of admonition from you about it in all these four long years plus (from what I recall, could be wrong, maybe I missed it)..[/QUOTE]There is zero room to be criticizing the Democrats for being sore losers. None! That's the absolute ultimate in hypocrisy! And have you seen Chump's cabinet picks? The only qualification seems to be no hesitance to suck his dick and lick his ass! Gaetz as Attorney General? Just insane!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960754]Even if Trump gets slapped back by horrified Senate Repubs and drops this nomination, the damage has been done!
[B]Trump picks Rep. Matt Gaetz as attorney general.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/trump-taps-rep-matt-gaetz-as-attorney-general.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Lololol. The Clown Trump-Musk Administration has now defined itself as such for all the world to see. No backing up and out of it now.[/QUOTE]LOL indeed. I loved the Gaetz pick. In fact, the attorney general pick was the one that I was most concerned with. Would we get another "respectable" asshole like Bill Barr or Garland who allows for lying in the FISA courts and lets the FBI get away with whatever the fuck it wants to or someone who would reign in the Democratic department of "justice"?
Trump's pick of Gaetz shows he is serious about getting rid of the DOJ and its weaponization. After the non-stop government censorship, Russiagate, fine people hoax, Hunter Biden laptop, FISA fiascos, the FBI has shot its last load. They raided the Polymarket CEO's apartment: [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/11/14/fbi-polymarket-ceo-shayne-coplan/76289111007/[/URL].
Yes, anyone going against the deep state narrative that Kamala was going to win has to be locked up. Never in American history has an administration lied more than this one. All they care about is the narrative and beat anyone up who goes outside of it. How dare Polymarket have a platform that showed Trump was likely to win?
Trump is not going to back down on Gaetz not after what the Democratic department of "justice" has put him through.
So far I have loved all of Trump's picks and what he is doing. And that you do not like them Loony Tooms is all the more reason to love them.
EihTooms,
Since you want to post about taking credit for stuff the party you identified with hasn't done, back it up with some data on the money flow into the World Wide Crypto market.
[B]This is not the first time I have asked you to do that[/B]!
You good as one of those Democrats that don't have to pay attention to putting meat in the pot. I get that. That allows you to worry about who has a dick that identifies as a girl and where they get to goto the bathroom and who they can play sports with.
Don't you EVER think that your (compound profanity redacted) [I]dick politics[/I] takes precedent for me over the party that support the industry that allows me to take care of my loved ones. I support the current Republican Government elect because they support the industry I use for my support. Full Stop. When the (compound profanity redacted) get a clue and learn to take crypto and the crypto voters seriously then they might have a chance of getting someone like me (a crypto voter) to give their candidates some consideration. There is an organization that is called stand with crypto the rate every candidate for national office by the stances on crypto. I follow their information and use it as a guide. Republicans are overwhelmingly crypto friendly. If democrats don't recognize that then they better ask somebody. During the time I have been posting here my focus has been on how politics relates to crypto. I don't care about [I]democratic dick politics[/I]. Show me some policies that are going to put meat in my pot.
No EihTooms you don't get to just [I]change the subject[/I]. The Democrats did not support the crypto vote. I have provided plenty of examples. You have NEVER addressed the issue. That is was bad policy and the Democrats forgetting their roots and that lost them the election.
[I]Its the economy, stupid[/I]
What was the name of the brilliant democrat that ran a winning campaign for his candidate for the office to the Presidency of the United States.
Democrats got swept in the best of three game series. Don't kill the messenger. Deal with it. Keep my name out of your posts about dick politics please. The dick I worry about is mine and where which orifice of the girl that is willing to take it the moment I am going to put it in.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960844]There is zero room to be criticizing the Democrats for being sore losers. None! That's the absolute ultimate in hypocrisy! And have you seen Chump's cabinet picks? The only qualification seems to be no hesitance to suck his dick and lick his ass! Gaetz as Attorney General? Just insane![/QUOTE]Sorry you're so Butt-Hurt. A lot of people like those pick. I predict they Shall Be Confirmed.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960844]There is zero room to be criticizing the Democrats for being sore losers. None! That's the absolute ultimate in hypocrisy! And have you seen Chump's cabinet picks? The only qualification seems to be no hesitance to suck his dick and lick his ass! Gaetz as Attorney General? Just insane![/QUOTE]Sorry you're so Butt-Hurt. A lot of people like those pick. I predict they Shall Be Confirmed. These picks will get a lot of the Scumbags imbedded in the DOJ and other agencies to leave on their own. I'm sure they are destroying incriminating records as I type. It's Beginning to Feel a Lot Like Trumpmas Everywhere You Go!!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960709]Oh, please already, with the continual "Big Lie" conspiracy nonsense!
The 2024 election numbers are only now being finalized and the off-the-cuff, deranged, hair-brained conspiratorial logic, to defend the "Big Lie" begins.
First let's state the obvious, that despite the MAGA "Big Lies", countless lost court cases or MAGA "ninja forensics" election probes, there has never been any evidence that the 2020 elections, wasn't anything, but a free and fair election. [/QUOTE]As I said before, Republicans have to accept the 2020 election results. They did not prevent the Democrats from cheating and should not have expected judges to overturn anything. However, it was imperative in 2024 that cheating be stopped before the election begun. So there were boat loads of circumstantial evidence of a rigged election in 2020 but without depositions, turning that circumstantial evidence into legitimate evidence was impossible.
But there is the empirical. And once again, we have the polls that got it all wrong, again. The FBI closing in on the Polymarket CEO for having a platform where people could see the truth, Kamala getting 8 million fewer votes than Biden, and then there is this mysterious massive shift towards Trump and the right in the polls except for in the swing states, [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-donald-trump-2024-election-states-1981422[/URL].
Maybe this was just a reflection of voter mood in those swing states or maybe it was the Democrats trying to cheat again.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960709]Yes, where were the "Jewish space lasers" this time, Elvis 2008?[/QUOTE]I do not know about space lasers but what I do know is a hoarde of intelligence officers lied their asses off about Hunter Biden's laptop to rig an election. So you can take your no evidence of election rigging in 2020 and shove it up your ass.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960757]As long as you are on a mission to point out and post about election "sore losers", how they should just get over it and accept it already, have you by any chance noticed there are 2-3 frequent poster MAGA Repubs on this forum who are STILL butt-hurt sore, weeping, whining and rehashing their Party's clear, decisive and fully litigatated multiple times LOSS of the 2020 election?
MORE than 4 Long Years Later.
And, as of this writing, without a word of admonition from you about it in all these four long years plus (from what I recall, could be wrong, maybe I missed it).
Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Maybe you better ask us how we feel versus assigning the feels you wish. I cannot have been happier with how things turned out. Trump is going to get to do way more after winning this election than he ever would have if he won in 2020. I am thrilled with what he has done so far.
But it does not mean you douches get a pass on all the voting irregularities in 2020. The 2024 results make the 2020 results look like a bigger joke than they already were.
Furthermore, we need to put in Voter ID requirements in all 50 states, something you Democratic douches vehemently oppose because you want to continue to cheat.
You Democratic douches have complete contempt for the voting process as shown by your own priorities. Hell, in this election, your candidate did not even get one vote in a primary.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960844]There is zero room to be criticizing the Democrats for being sore losers. None! That's the absolute ultimate in hypocrisy! And have you seen Chump's cabinet picks? The only qualification seems to be no hesitance to suck his dick and lick his ass! Gaetz as Attorney General? Just insane![/QUOTE]The Religious Right MAGA Repubs are just fine and dandy with that Gaetz nomination from the litigated rapist.
As long as Trump delivers the usual Great Repub Depression or Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, his critical Religious Right MAGA Repub demo is delighted with anything Trump wants to do.
End Times!
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2960751]Take a Tiny Challenge Spidy. [/QUOTE] Didn't dumb challenges, like yours, disappear from the zeitgeist of the Pepsi era? [b][i](....kkkk!) [/i][/b]
Yeah, good luck with that and promoting the [b]'BIG LIE'[/b]!
But I'm sure many of your MAGA buddies, would love to take your 'Pepsi Challenge'? [b][i](....kkkk!) [/i][/b]
[b]PS:[/b] FWIW, I always thought Coke was better!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960757][b]In case you missed it. [/b]
As long as you are on a mission to point out and post about election "sore losers", how they should just get over it and accept it already, have you by any chance noticed there are 2-3 frequent poster MAGA Repubs on this forum who are STILL butt-hurt sore, weeping, whining and rehashing their Party's clear, decisive and fully litigatated multiple times LOSS of the 2020 election?
MORE than 4 Long Years Later.
And, as of this writing, without a word of admonition from you about it in all these four long years plus (from what I recall, could be wrong, maybe I missed it).
Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2960757][b]Hear, hear! [/b]
There is zero room to be criticizing the Democrats for being sore losers. None! That's the absolute ultimate in hypocrisy! And have you seen Chump's cabinet picks? The only qualification seems to be no hesitance to suck his dick and lick his ass! Gaetz as Attorney General? Just insane! [/QUOTE]Even still to this day 4-years later, in the far-away dark recesses of sweet smelling, Medellin cafe shops, MAGA is still spewing their drivel about the 2020 election being stolen.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2960185] ... It's like the Marquis de Twot, and [b]this stupid moron I met here in Medellin in Sweet Georgia Cafe[/b] who said he was a Marine. Well that's exactly what they mostly want in the Marines is meat heads. But he was going on about how Biden got so many more votes than Kamala, as proof of a stolen 2020 election. Okay got it, so I asked the 80 IQ guy where he thought all the extra votes came from in 2020, and he of course said illegals. Then I asked his dumbfuck ass why these illegals, who are now greater in numbers, didn't steal the latest election.
[b][u]He had no answer,[/u] so I guess he's only left with Jewish space lasers, or whatever hogwash Elvis can pull off the blogs. But that's free thought according to Spineless [/b][/QUOTE]
Will the real poor losers, please stand up?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960923]Didn't dumb challenges, like yours, disappear from the zeitgeist of the Pepsi era? [b][i](....kkkk!) [/i][/b]
Yeah, good luck with that and promoting the [b]'BIG LIE'[/b]!
But I'm sure many of your MAGA buddies, would love to take your 'Pepsi Challenge'? [b][i](....kkkk!) [/i][/b]
[b]PS:[/b] FWIW, I always thought Coke was better![/QUOTE]I've always maintained Biden won the 2020 election fair and square. You believe the Republicans cheated in 2024, the bold text in my Spidy quote.
There are a lot of Coke advertisements on MSNBC and other MSM, which is probably why you prefer it. Also when you were a kid that Socialist advertising campaign, I'd like to buy the world a Coke, most likely had a profound influence on you. Only Coke has been replaced by tanks, planes and whatever else we buy for Israel and Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2960933]I've always maintained Biden won the 2020 election fair and square. You believe the Republicans cheated in 2024, the bold text in my Spidy quote...[/QUOTE] Sure dude, sure!
Read it again, Tiny 12! You'll see I pointed out the reasons for poor Dem turnouts, and overall a poor election turnout of only 63% of registered voters, compared to 2020 for Dems.
Get it! Got it!...Good!
Trump's Inflationary American Consumer Tax Increases and Price Hikes are already in the works and generating the usual unpleasant ripple effects.
[B]3 companies preparing to raise prices if Trump's trade plan is enacted.
Nov. 12, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/companies-raising-prices-trump-tariffs-inflation-goods-getting-more-expensive-2024-11[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trump proposed broad tariffs on imports, including up to 60% on goods from China.
Economists say his tariff proposals could spike inflation as companies tend to pass costs on to consumers.
Some companies have already said Trump's proposals would force them to increase prices.
...........
Several companies have already begun responding to Trump's election victory and the implications his tariff proposals would have on the costs of their goods. Executives have told analysts on earnings calls that it would be difficult to maintain current prices under Trump's broad tariffs.
............
"We don't like tariffs because they are a tax on the American people," Amin said, adding that the company had been subject to a 25% tariff [b]since 2019[/b] because of policies from Trump's first term. "And at that time," he said, "we pulled all the levers available to us to minimize the effects to our company and our community."[/QUOTE]Some companies won't wait for Trump to officially raise those inflationary American Consumer Taxes before they raise their prices for American Consumers in order to, you know, "get ahead of the game" on a Trump Inflation and Increased Prices Surge.
For example:
[QUOTE][b]Auto Zone[/b]
Philip Daniele, the CEO of the auto-parts company AutoZone, told analysts on a September earnings call that tariff policies had "ebbed and flowed over the years," and if Trump implemented more tariffs, "we will pass those tariff costs back to the consumer."
[B]"We generally raise prices ahead of that,"[/b] Daniele said, adding that prices would gradually settle over time. "So, that's historically what we've done," he said.[/QUOTE]Good Move, MAGAs. You put "smart budinessman" Donald Trump back into the White House to work his Historic Great Repub Economic Downturn magic. Again.
Elections have consequences.
Thank you for your vote.
Oh, and a special bonus attraction for any of you MAGAs who monger internationally; In order to get around any potential tariff slowdown in sales and imports into USA, targeted countries like China merely set up factories in other countries like Thailand, Mexico, maybe Columbia, Jakarta, the Philippines and so on and ship their products tariff-free to the USA from there. A real industrial revolution-style cultural change for some of the poorer regions of those countries. Nice.
Oh, and they aren't waiting for Trump to officially enact those Inflationary American Consumer Tax and Price Increases either:
[B]Southeast Asia prepares for factories fleeing Trump tariffs on China.
Nov. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/2898713/southeast-asia-prepares-for-factories-fleeing-trump-tariffs-on-china[/URL]
[QUOTE]Companies have been moving factories from China to Southeast Asia, anticipating Donald Trump would slap high tariffs on Beijing if he regained the White House, a move set to accelerate with his election win, industrial park developers in the region say.
Trump, who won a resounding victory on Tuesday, has threatened 60% tariffs on goods coming into the United States from China, much higher than the levies of 7.5% to 25% he imposed in his first term, a major risk for the world's second-largest economy.
Southeast Asia - with auto and electronics factories from Thailand to Vietnam and Malaysia - will likely benefit at China's expense, said two executives, two business groups, a lawyer and an analyst in the region.
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There was (already) a relocation to Southeast Asia, but [b]this round is going to be more intense," she said, referring to Trump's 2017-2021 first term.[/b][/QUOTE]Which also means all those cute young girls who used to leave their poor provinces for the red light districts to give great, low-cost P4 P service to "rich" foreigners no longer have to do any of those things as long as they, their mom, dad, brother, boyfriend or husband get a job in one of those nice, big, shiny new Chinese factories.
But don't worry, there will be no shortage of ladies showing up to work P4 P in those destinations, the ones who are too old and too untrainable to work in those new factories or too old and ugly to have a boyfriend or husband working in one.
I can assure you many, many disgruntled Thai punters saw that happening first hand in my part of the world since Trump's first go-around with his Trump's Tariff American Consumer Tax Increases.
Again, MAGAs, elections have consequences.
Thank you for your vote.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960927]Even still to this day 4-years later, in the far-away dark recesses of sweet smelling, Medellin cafe shops, MAGA is still spewing their drivel about the 2020 election being stolen.
Will the real poor losers, please stand up?[/QUOTE]You mean you? You are such a pathetic lemming that whatever the powers that be do in the Democratic party, you just smooch their ass. Bernie gets fucked by Hilary in 2016 and then gets fucked again in 2020, and there you are planting your lips kissing party ass. Yeah, sorry, guys, that is fine just take my voting power away, I do not need it.
Then there is the Democratic party's bullshit attempt to get rid of a duly elected president and again, and there you are smooching their butt again. Fuck what the voters want. Take away my voting party, Dems. I do not need it.
And then there was the latest coup where Biden, the elected Democratic candidate is booted, and you are all for it.
I did not realize that Pelosi and the Democratic leadership wanted there to be some kind of new primary vote after Biden was booted, and Biden fucked them by endorsing Harris, probably because he knew how bad she would be.
But here you are Spidy, the ultimate lemming, constantly praising Biden, the one guy who fucked you Democrats over worse than anyone. Go to the 2 minute mark in this video to see what Biden did: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU4IP_jK39Q[/URL].
It is funny in that I agree with the podcaster. I think Biden and his wife both really did vote for Trump. He was all smiles when Trump came to the White House. Biden could not have been any nicer.
This is this sham libtrard blog, [URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/11/peter-doocy-went-full-doocy-kjp-and-it-was[/URL], and the Fox Press reporter asked this, "And we know that today, a week after the election, President Biden and Vice President Harris had a private lunch," Doocy asked. "How awkward was that?
So this shame libtard blog called that question going full Doocy. How dare Doocy suggest that all Democrats were not in perfect alignment?
And the White House press secretary responded as if offended, "There's no weirdness about the way that things have unfolded so far," she continued. "Did you see them together yesterday as well, when they honored our veterans and were together during the day, making sure that we didn't forget the brave men and women that fought for this country?
"Did you see them together yesterday?" she asked. "Did you see the show of force together?
Ah yes, to the pathetic Democratic douche lemmings like yourself Spidy, it is all hugs, rainbow farts, and kumbaya. All these Republicans are like Doocy. The Democratic party is totally united. Biden and Kamala love each other.
Then you go to the 3:25 mark in this video and it is patently obvious to me that Jill Biden has complete contempt for Kamala Harris. She will not even look at Kamala. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFPoc13wyQ[/URL].
Thing is you can almost tell who the Democratic douches are because they will look at this video and pretend there is no contempt or hostility. Hell, maybe they will make excuses for Jill Biden.
So you Democrats have had three rigged primaries, one flat out coup with Biden, another attempted coup with Trump, but you are bragging about how you are so smart as to believe the 2020 was not rigged and are not whining? The Deep State and Democratic leadership is trying to take away the right of citizens to choose the president, and you are fine with that?
What gets me is you claim to be a loyal Democrat ignoring the fact that on one side you have Biden and Democratic voters and on the other Pelosi and Kamala. Which party are you loyal to you? The answer is you just pretend there is one side and are loyal to it. Hell, even when RFK Jr. Said the primary process was rigged, you did not listen.
So RFK Jr left the party, and Biden fucked the party, but you are still loyal to it whatever it is? If those two are not loyal to the party, why the hell should you be?
And you think with all that has gone on, not whining is good? My God, man, how does it feel to have your head so far up your ass?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960754]Even if Trump gets slapped back by horrified Senate Repubs and drops this nomination, the damage has been done!
[B]Trump picks Rep. Matt Gaetz as attorney general.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/trump-taps-rep-matt-gaetz-as-attorney-general.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Lololol. The Clown Trump-Musk Administration has now defined itself as such for all the world to see. No backing up and out of it now.
LOL. For one hot minute Little Marco and his supporters basked in the illusion that, hey, his nomination for Trump's Secretary of State could have been worse, it's kinda' sorta' plausible. Lolol.
Then the Tulsi Gabbard and that Fux News Weekend Host nominations came in.
And now THIS! LOL.
So now even poor Little Marco can only count himself among the Clown Trump Administration's Gallery of Freaks.
Honestly, proud MAGAs and Bothsider / Neithersider MAGAs, can you imagine Putin, Xi, Kim, name your favorite Anti-America, Anti-democratic Authoritarian, reacting to what is taking shape as the Clown Trump Freak and Clown Show with anything but total satisfaction and pleasure?
Of course not. Nobody could.
Kim Kardashian for Secretary of the Agriculture!
Rudy Giuliani for Secretary of the Treasury!
Lolol. Your overriding MAGA Repub mission to "own the libs" has resulted in only "owning" anyone the same way an arrogant fat man "owns" the passers-by who can not stifle their giggles when they see him slip on a banana peel and land smack on his fat, arrogant ass.[/QUOTE]He is going to completely tear Chinas collective asshole wide open, Allahu Akbar.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/marco-rubio-trump-china/2024/11/14/id/1188017/[/URL]
Allahu Akbar MOTHERFUCKERS!!
The Uyghurs are wailing Allahu Akbar in Xinjiang, Xi can hear them all the way in Beijing.
Iran and the evil parasites on Wall Street want Trump dead.
The CCP and the evil parasites on Wall Street want Little Marco dead.
For US justice department, a guy under prosecution, kind of Trump twin, at least avoiding them both to be prosecuted. Just mafia of dangerous clowns. US are not serious, when electing Trump. And also jumping like monkey Musk, but crazy Orange already seem bored of him, same like with Banon?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960884]EihTooms,
Since you want to post about taking credit for stuff the party you identified with hasn't done, back it up with some data on the money flow into the World Wide Crypto market.
[B]This is not the first time I have asked you to do that[/B]!
You good as one of those Democrats that don't have to pay attention to putting meat in the pot. I get that. That allows you to worry about who has a dick that identifies as a girl and where they get to goto the bathroom and who they can play sports with.
Don't you EVER think that your (compound profanity redacted) [I]dick politics[/I] takes precedent for me over the party that support the industry that allows me to take care of my loved ones. I support the current Republican Government elect because they support the industry I use for my support. Full Stop. When the (compound profanity redacted) get a clue and learn to take crypto and the crypto voters seriously then they might have a chance of getting someone like me (a crypto voter) to give their candidates some consideration. There is an organization that is called stand with crypto the rate every candidate for national office by the stances on crypto. I follow their information and use it as a guide. Republicans are overwhelmingly crypto friendly. If democrats don't recognize that then they better ask somebody. During the time I have been posting here my focus has been on how politics relates to crypto. I don't care about [I]democratic dick politics[/I]. Show me some policies that are going to put meat in my pot.
No EihTooms you don't get to just [I]change the subject[/I]. The Democrats did not support the crypto vote. I have provided plenty of examples. You have NEVER addressed the issue. That is was bad policy and the Democrats forgetting their roots and that lost them the election.
[I]Its the economy, stupid[/I]
What was the name of the brilliant democrat that ran a winning campaign for his candidate for the office to the Presidency of the United States.
Democrats got swept in the best of three game series. Don't kill the messenger. Deal with it. Keep my name out of your posts about dick politics please. The dick I worry about is mine and where which orifice of the girl that is willing to take it the moment I am going to put it in.[/QUOTE]Answered and substantiated already. See my [B]No problem[/B] response post here:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics/page2[/URL]
At this writing, the shift in Trump to Harris votes in the only three states required to result in a President-elect Harris rather than a President-elect Trump would have been 0. 9 point in PA, 0. 7 point in MI and 0. 4 point in WI, plus 1 additional vote for Harris in each of just those 3 states.
Hardly a Trump landslide, Red Tsunami or Trump / Repub Policy Mandate.
You want to claim that piddling, razor-thin "victory" for Trump was all about crypto investors who are now plowing Bidenomics money into it over the past few days.
To which it is now my turn to request, [B]Prove it.[/B].
I would attribute it to pro Repub pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" pundits who became MAGA darlings for their undying, weekly pro Repub, pro Trump and pro Repub election campaign efforts over the past 4 years to suppress their generally Dem audience votes and produce just enough shift in the votes to deliver election wins to their beloved preferred Repubs.
Bill Maher comes to mind. Even Michael Moore for much of this past year for his passionate rants against Biden for whatever relatively immaterial gripe he had stuck in his craw.
A maximum of the 0. 9 point shift in votes from Harris to Trump as it was in PA and even less than that in the other two states is not difficult for Maher and Moore-style pretend "Bothsider / Neithersiders" to deliver. They did it for GW Bush in 2000 easily enough and by a greater shift margin in the EC.
Even IF there were some pro crypto voters in that mix, Maher and Moore's contribution was such that it was hardly needed to have that razor-thin margin tilt toward Trump anyway.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2960888]Sorry you're so Butt-Hurt. A lot of people like those pick. I predict they Shall Be Confirmed. These picks will get a lot of the Scumbags imbedded in the DOJ and other agencies to leave on their own. I'm sure they are destroying incriminating records as I type. It's Beginning to Feel a Lot Like Trumpmas Everywhere You Go!![/QUOTE]Scumbags for scumbags! Feels like one step forward for two steps back. The only one butt hurt around here is your own momma!
[URL]https://copestake.info/workingpaper/cryptofinance/CryptoFinance.pdf[/URL]
Here is a rigorous analysis of the actualreason the crypto markets are moving worldwide. It has nothing to do with the retail sector of the crypto space. Google searches for Bitcoin is still no where close to the highs of the last cycle. Either retail investors with that funny money counterfeited by the FED and distributed by the last administration is being held onto (I doubt it) or the citizens of the United States of America are collectively broke.
[I]Household Saving Rate in the United States decreased to 4.80 percent in August from 4.90 percent in July of 2024. Personal Savings in the United States averaged 8.44 percent from 1959 until 2024, reaching an all time high of 32.00 percent in April of 2020 and a record low of 1.40 percent in July of 2005[/I]
[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/personal-savings[/URL]#text=Household%20 Saving%20 Rate%20 in%20 the, percent%20 in%20 July%20 of%202005.
[B]The Democrats are sore losers[/B] I have no proof of that. [B]It is my opinion[/B]. Note to party, focus on the economy and stay away from [I]dick politics[/I]. The Democrats ignored the crypto vote. My proof was presented here:
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2959395][B]The Democratic Party got its collective ass handed to them[/B] Because of policy and focus on issues that the average citizen of The United States of America does not give a fuck about!
The United States of America is full of working people. The Democratic Party has forgotten that. They want to tax you until you only have spare change in your pocket and begging for food on the street.
The United States of America is full of people figuring out how to put meat in the pot for dinner. The Democratic Party is focused on the meat between the legs of men who want to be girls.
The United States of America is full of people who are invested in crypto. These are people who have put their money where their mouth is. The Democratic Party ignored the crypto vote. They are focused on building a "Anti Cyrpto" army. The Senator who said that is a Democrat and still holds her seat. In the minority. Oops!
Trump is considered pro crypto. 261 Pro crypto candidates elected to the House of Representatives. 17 Pro crypto candidates elected to the Senate.
[B]Do crypto holders have the attention of the Democratic Party now[/B]?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961027]Answered and substantiated already. See my [B]No problem[/B] response post here:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics/page2[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a non answer. The quote above is a non answer.
I asked to to [B]prove[/B] your statement about the money flow into the crypto markets worldwide. Here is the answer:
[B]Institutional investors pile into crypto[/B]
[I]The rise in Bitcoins value has also been driven by growing interest from institutional investors. Earlier this year, the United States approved Bitcoin exchange-traded funds (ETFs), allowing institutions easier access to Bitcoin, which has boosted demand. ETFs let individual and institutional investors gain exposure to Bitcoin without directly handling the cryptocurrency.
Trumps pro-Bitcoin stance has further encouraged institutions to invest, anticipating regulatory changes that might benefit them. Trump noted that nearly 30-40 per cent of Americans already hold crypto, suggesting that a favourable government stance could spur even more demand.
The rally is also attributed to the Federal Reserves recent rate cut of 25 basis points in November, which shifted investor sentiment towards alternative assets. The change in monetary policy signals a more accommodative approach, boosting interest in assets like Bitcoin as inflation concerns ease.[/I]
[URL]https://www.business-standard.com/finance/news/what-is-driving-bitcoin-s-rally-as-it-surges-past-the-89-000-milestone-124111200500_1.html[/URL]
[I]Another major driver is institutional adoption. This was an important shift in the market over the last five years as major financial firms like BlackRock and Goldman Sachs began adding Bitcoin to their balance sheets. This trend is growing. Nearly 40% of international investors had at least some exposure as of last year, up from 31% in 2022, and the recent approval of spot Bitcoin ETFs, like Wood's own ARK 21 Shares Bitcoin ETF, is further accelerating the trend.
Her $3. 8 target would require all of these with an especially aggressive buy-in from institutional investors. She believes if the firms, on average, allocate 5% of their portfolios to Bitcoin, it would be enough to drive the price all the way to $3.8 million.[/I]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961027][b]You want to claim that piddling, razor-thin "victory" for Trump was all about crypto investors who are now plowing Bidenomics money into it over the past few days[/b].
To which it is now my turn to request, [B]Prove it.[/B].[/QUOTE]A real man knows his limitations. I have no empirical evidence to present to says the crypto vote swung the election. But the Democrats ignored the crypto vote. So if you are saying it is irrelevant then I suggest members of the Democratic party continue to ignore us. Money Trumps (pun intended) identity politics. When I put a trade on the crypto market no one knows who I am. I pays my money and I take my chances. No nanny state to hold my hand. No safety net: No bail outs. No one cares if I have a dick or not or if I identify as a girl. No one is asking me about my pronouns nor whom I prefer to pay sports with.
[B]The Defense Rests[/B]
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/2898713/southeast-asia-prepares-for-factories-fleeing-trump-tariffs-on-china[/URL]
Check this post out from member of the party of the losers (Excuse I meant: Losing Democratic Party) that has now moved the discussion to a new low.
EihTooms; American Politics; post #16252.
[QUOTE]Which also means all those cute young girls who used to leave their poor provinces for the red light districts to give great, low-cost P4 P service to "rich" foreigners no longer have to do any of those things as long as they, their mom, dad, brother, boyfriend or husband get a job in one of those nice, big, shiny new Chinese factories.[/QUOTE][B]What the fuck[/B]? Republicans are now being blamed for the decline of the satisfaction of [B]International Tricks[/B] and [B]Sexpats[/B] in Thailand and other Asian Countries? That is a long distance cockblock of world record proportions. Never seen anything like it. When I said Democrats need to get away from [I]dick politics[/I] here is a prime example of what I meant.
ROTFLMAO!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960978]Trump's Inflationary American Consumer Tax Increases and Price Hikes are already in the works and generating the usual unpleasant ripple effects.
[B]3 companies preparing to raise prices if Trump's trade plan is enacted.
Nov. 12, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/companies-raising-prices-trump-tariffs-inflation-goods-getting-more-expensive-2024-11[/URL]
Some companies won't wait for Trump to officially raise those inflationary American Consumer Taxes before they raise their prices for American Consumers in order to, you know, "get ahead of the game" on a Trump Inflation and Increased Prices Surge.
For example:
Good Move, MAGAs. You put "smart budinessman" Donald Trump back into the White House to work his Historic Great Repub Economic Downturn magic. Again.
Elections have consequences.
Thank you for your vote.
Oh, and a special bonus attraction for any of you MAGAs who monger internationally; In order to get around any potential tariff slowdown in sales and imports into USA, targeted countries like China merely set up factories in other countries like Thailand, Mexico, maybe Columbia, Jakarta, the Philippines and so on and ship their products tariff-free to the USA from there. A real industrial revolution-style cultural change for some of the poorer regions of those countries. Nice.
Oh, and they aren't waiting for Trump to officially enact those Inflationary American Consumer Tax and Price Increases either:
[B]Southeast Asia prepares for factories fleeing Trump tariffs on China.
Nov. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/2898713/southeast-asia-prepares-for-factories-fleeing-trump-tariffs-on-china[/URL]
Which also means all those cute young girls who used to leave their poor provinces for the red light districts to give great, low-cost P4 P service to "rich" foreigners no longer have to do any of those things as long as they, their mom, dad, brother, boyfriend or husband get a job in one of those nice, big, shiny new Chinese factories.
But don't worry, there will be no shortage of ladies showing up to work P4 P in those destinations, the ones who are too old and too untrainable to work in those new factories or too old and ugly to have a boyfriend or husband working in one.
I can assure you many, many disgruntled Thai punters saw that happening first hand in my part of the world since Trump's first go-around with his Trump's Tariff American Consumer Tax Increases.
Again, MAGAs, elections have consequences.
Thank you for your vote.[/QUOTE]Trump's proposed tariffs would indeed cause a stair step up in prices. The effect of the tariffs on the productivity and competitiveness of American businesses and the purchasing power of the consumer would be a bigger concern IMHO than inflation. The effect on GDP would be negative. Tariffs also have a negative effect on USA Exports. There are American manufacturers for example that won't be competitive in world markets if they have to pay 20% more for steel, because of the tariffs.
There are a couple of holes in your analysis. Total Thai exports actually went down while the tariffs on China were being imposed, then fell off a cliff during COVID. Now, thanks in no small part to Bidenflation (Biden Inflation, get it? Hahahaha), Thai exports in dollar terms are close to all time highs. At present only about 17% of Thai exports go to the USA though. So I question whether the Chinese tariffs were sufficient to affect the supply of prostitutes in Bangkok significantly.
But yeah, Thailand would see some benefit from higher USA tariffs on China, even though Trump's also proposing to impose 20% tariffs on all countries. The biggest beneficiary would be Vietnam. If Mexico somehow avoids the 20% tariff, it should do super well. Although it might not, as it has implemented some of the economic policies favored by Progressive Democrats.
As to the women, you might want to take a look around at a Thai factory. They're not exactly lookers. And they don't get paid very much, maybe around 400 to 1000 Baht per day. Attractive women, like who you and I would like to bang, can earn substantially more from prostitution. Admittedly though you've got a point here. IMHO it's great for women to have choices besides prostitution, and as an enlightened Democrat who wants to help the poor and downtrodden, you should agree.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960826]Shhh. Don't tell [b]Larry Summers[/b] and Tiny about this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960897]The Religious Right MAGA Repubs are just fine and dandy with that Gaetz nomination from the litigated rapist.[/QUOTE]I disagree with my friend Elvis. I believe Gaetz was a terrible pick. However, Democrats make terrible picks too. For example, how about Biden's pick for Chairman of his Council of Economic Advisors, Jared Bernstein. The man's academic background is in social work, for goodness sake.
Gaetz will probably never be confirmed. Bernstein however did go to work for Biden, and he did the selling for the Democrats' $1. 9 trillion blowout American Rescue Plan. Too bad Biden didn't appoint a mainstream Democrat economist with common sense like LARRY SUMMERS or Jason Furman, to be Chairman of the CEA. Like Republicans, both of them were shouting from the rooftops that the economy didn't need more inflation-igniting stimulus. And thanks for the compliment, putting me in the same sentence with Larry Summers. Yes, I would have done a better job than Jared Bernstein too.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961194]I disagree with my friend Elvis. I believe Gaetz was a terrible pick. However, Democrats make terrible picks too.[/QUOTE]I get why you say that Gaetz is a narcissist who has engaged in less than ideal behavior. Thing is the last 2 "respectable" Trump AG picks IMO were horrible. They were not loyal to Trump and seemed more interested in kowtowing to Democrats. That bird brain Sessions let the Dems have the Russiagate issue for 2+ years. Instead of Barr saying we do not know if there was cheating in 2020, he mouthed that there was none.
If there were no Merrick Garland and no lawfare campaign, I might agree with you, but we saw one of the first act Sessions pulled was to punt on Hiliary.
One thing I never want to see in my lifetime is the DOJ launch a machine gun laden SWAT team at a presidential contender with a warrant under seal. Fuck that banana Republic shit! I am not in the mood for some "respectable nominee" willing to sweep that under the rug. I think Gaetz is not going to let that happen. I think he is also get to the bottom of how much the DOJ was involved in the other bullshit lawfare campaigns and clean house with all the partisan hacks in the DOJ.
Unlike the Democrats who reveled in a clearly biased DOJ, I will be sounding the alarm if Gaetz tries to turn the DOJ Republican. If Biden and Garland did not engage in this disgusting lawfare campaign, Tiny, I would agree with you but IMO the Attorney General pick was Trump's most important pick, and he had to pick someone with some huge balls, and Gaetz has them.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2961093][URL]https://copestake.info/workingpaper/cryptofinance/CryptoFinance.pdf[/URL]
Here is a rigorous analysis of the actualreason the crypto markets are moving worldwide. It has nothing to do with the retail sector of the crypto space. Google searches for Bitcoin is still no where close to the highs of the last cycle. Either retail investors with that funny money counterfeited by the FED and distributed by the last administration is being held onto (I doubt it) or the citizens of the United States of America are collectively broke.
[I]Household Saving Rate in the United States decreased to 4.80 percent in August from 4.90 percent in July of 2024. Personal Savings in the United States averaged 8.44 percent from 1959 until 2024, reaching an all time high of 32.00 percent in April of 2020 and a record low of 1.40 percent in July of 2005[/I]
[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/personal-savings[/URL]#text=Household%20 Saving%20 Rate%20 in%20 the, percent%20 in%20 July%20 of%202005.[/QUOTE]You seem to have managed to talk yourself into the bizarre conclusion that campaigning as Pro Crypto is all Upside and no Downside, as in speaking out in favor of Mom and Apple Pie. If any internal study or survey showed pols that an "I am pro Crypto. I love that everyone around the world is plowing so much of their Bidenomics Worldwide Economic Rescue and Recovery Money into it" stance was as much 100% Upside and 0% Downside as you appear to think then every pol would be taking that stance.
There is a huge difference between Trump flipping his stance on Crypto to "I am pro Crypto" on the campaign trail merely because a crypto campaign donor paid him to flip and say so and Kamala Harris declaring such a thing.
Trump was a Clown candidate for a Clown Party whose 74 million voters love and voted for him for his 40,000+ significant lies just since 2015, his wiping out of millions upon millions of jobs, his nation-wide business and school closures, his global supply-chain collapse, his hyper-inflation, skyrocketing costs of rent, food and gas, his stock market crashes, his record high increase in the deficit, his mass murder of at least a million Americans, his leading his violent, cop-killing mob of "Trump patriots" into battle on American Soil in his War Against America to overturn a free and fair election and overthrow American democracy, his Worst President in History with the Worst Results of All Time standing. They love him for those things. They VOTE for him to produce those results.
He can say anything with no Downside in an election campaign. None of his 74 million voters expect him to tell the truth or actually keep any promise he makes, same as his first term. Mainstream Media will not challenge him on any statement he makes nor expect him to respond coherently to any question about it. I am sure if they asked him why he is or was pro Crypto, what is it he likes about it, he would not have the slightest clue what crypto is. The same as I suspect 9,999 out of 10,000 American voters.
By stark contrast, Kamala Harris was a serious candidate for a serious and genuine Political Party. She was a duly-elected and respected State Attorney General and USA Senator for the most important State in the Union. She was Vice President in the most successful and accomplished Presidential Administration in at least 80 years. Her voters expect her to tell the truth, keep her promises and produce Great Results.
If she were to say, "I am pro Crypto", by noon the next day Mainstream Media would have parsed and spun every syllable and letter of that statement such that every voter in America would harbor the notion that Kamala Harris wants to devalue or destroy the USD in exchange for a plastic souvenir token with a skull and crossbones image on one side and a coffin on the other. And she would have to spend 60% of every interview and debate defending her stance on it, which would absolutely convince every voter in America that she wants to flush all of their USD down the shitter.
And you know it.
Yeah, yeah, I know you are one of those 1 in 10,000 American voters who gives a shit about Crypto and knows all about it and it doesn't work that way.
But all that foreign, Worldwide Bidenomics Economic Rescue and Recovery Money going into it now does not come from USA election voters.
It is far, far more likely that the net effect of an "I am pro Crypto" stance by Kamala Harris would have resulted in a 3 point shift difference between a win and a loss for the Presidency in those three swing states rather than LESS than a single (1) percentage point shift.
I just don't see the crypto issue being nearly the contribution to Harris losing by that razor-thin of a margin as 4 years of weekly anti Biden / Dem, pro Trump / Repub campaigning by the likes of MAGA darling Bill Maher or dozens if not hundreds of other pro Repub pretend "Bothsiders / Neithersiders" lying about your son being dropped off at school and getting picked up at 3:30 pm as a daughter, that Joe Biden can't talk, walk, doesn't know where he is or who he is, that nobody has been able to afford or eaten an egg since January 21,2021 and so on.
Here we go, here we go, here we go! Three ring, incompetent circus. Just like we said! And he hasn't even sat his fat oval ass back in the Oval Office yet! Of course, why would the Chump administration think it would be a good idea to vet anybody. Hegseth and Gaetz. What a disgusting joke! If that report comes out on Gaetz look out!
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/pete-hegseth-alleged-sexual-assault-2017-monterey/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2960754]Even if Trump gets slapped back by horrified Senate Repubs and drops this nomination, the damage has been done!
[B]Trump picks Rep. Matt Gaetz as attorney general.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/trump-taps-rep-matt-gaetz-as-attorney-general.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Lololol. The Clown Trump-Musk Administration has now defined itself as such for all the world to see. No backing up and out of it now.
LOL. For one hot minute Little Marco and his supporters basked in the illusion that, hey, his nomination for Trump's Secretary of State could have been worse, it's kinda' sorta' plausible. Lolol.
Then the Tulsi Gabbard and that Fux News Weekend Host nominations came in.
And now THIS! LOL.
So now even poor Little Marco can only count himself among the Clown Trump Administration's Gallery of Freaks.[/QUOTE]It was common knowledge there were hookers on every corner in CCP land, I read either on ISG or another site that pre Bubba WTO days, there were decent hookers practically working under every bridge in CCP land.
To be had for $1 or $2, Xi has put an end to all that he wants them in factories making landfill fodder, for the likes of Walmart and Bozo.
But just think Our Lord and Savior is going to usher in changes to bring back the glory days for you, you can re-locate to your dream locale.
[URL]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/982835.shtml[/URL]
I've had my share of Thai putas and then some, if you shut down the land of putas today, I would never miss it, I've found much greener pastures elsewhere!!
[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2024/11/15/the-coming-era-of-maga-dominance/[/URL]
So last week on SNF (Nov 10th, 2024) in game with Detroit Lions vs. Houston Texans, where the Lion's QB, Jared Goff was having a bad game and had thrown 4-INTS before half-time. When the following, Sunday night tweet went viral.
[i][LIST]Civ@MisterCiv
INTERESTING**
This is now Jared Goff's 7th career game with at least 4 interceptions.
His record in those games?
[b]6-0[/b]
Does Goff have the Texans right where he wants them?[/LIST][/i]
So after Detroit had beaten the Texans, and Goff's [b]so called stat[/b] now being 7-0 with 4-INTS, by Monday morning, the viral post was circulating like wild fire and being parroted as an legendary "NFL all-time historical QB stat", by the likes of Pat McAfee (ESPN) and [i][b]"do your own research"[/b][/i] and part-time conspiracist, Aaron Rodgers, QB for NY Jets and once possible candidate running mate, for the guy with the worm in his head, about to be head of HHS.
For those that don't follow NFL football, this was indeed a truly ridiculous claim and highly improbably stat to have won 7 times with 4-INTS per game.
But for the "doubters and skeptics", on Monday morning, to truly solidify the unfounded and unchallenged ridiculous claim, the poster (Civ) then ginned-up, a fake claim from Statmuse (a sports statistics website), to make his fake claim look real (...See pic below...), for all the useful idiots that love getting their facts, information and news on X, from some random dude.
Soon after, at 11:25 AM, Civ (of X), posts this:
[i][LIST]Civ@MisterCiv
If you've [u][b]ever wondered how easy it is to spread fake information[/b][/u]
I made this up while laying in bed at the half time of the game 😆
[URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1856459809182171360[/URL][/LIST][/i]While this harmless viral prank, only embarrassed and punk'd the likes of Pat McAfee, Aaron Rodgers and the useful idiots on X, it severed as a perfect example, that exemplifies the kind of lies, slander, anti-crap and mis/disinformation that MAGA Nation, just loves to spew, parrot, eat-up and promote as gospel, because they read it on Twitter (X).
[b]Aaron Rodgers, Pat McAfee Got Hilariously Duped by Fake NFL Stat About Jared Goff[/b]
[URL]https://www.si.com/nfl/aaron-rodgers-pat-mcafee-duped-by-fake-jared-goff-stat[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961194]I disagree with my friend Elvis. I believe Gaetz was a terrible pick. However, Democrats make terrible picks too. For example, how about Biden's pick for Chairman of his Council of Economic Advisors, Jared Bernstein. The man's academic background is in social work, for goodness sake.
Gaetz will probably never be confirmed. Bernstein however did go to work for Biden, and he did the selling for the Democrats' $1. 9 trillion blowout American Rescue Plan. Too bad Biden didn't appoint a mainstream Democrat economist with common sense like LARRY SUMMERS or Jason Furman, to be Chairman of the CEA. Like Republicans, both of them were shouting from the rooftops that the economy didn't need more inflation-igniting stimulus. And thanks for the compliment, putting me in the same sentence with Larry Summers. Yes, I would have done a better job than Jared Bernstein too.[/QUOTE]But lets be fair and point out that after Scumbag Joe everything looks amazing.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/19/rachel-levine-transgender-biden-hhs-pick/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/new-biden-dept-energy-appointee-part-time-drag-queen-queer-activists-145352610.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEbBmanuOZs4VNYaR4PJF7i9plMsojWE_kQJEnMeCyEo3A23UjUZaPBdX4OFNXG2zkgjX6YY9Bqus1plFCymKuEjBWuL00bjvIUJazHI8rR76EbAcvNvACFYUg0zE2pGSRIcydw0-iIKg2e-koWtv0gpqQy3DF1QuUlr9EkhQUxo[/URL]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2961236]While this harmless viral prank, only embarrassed and punk'd the likes of Pat McAfee, Aaron Rodgers and the useful idiots on X, it severed as a perfect example, that exemplifies the kind of lies, slander, anti-crap and mis/disinformation that MAGA Nation, just loves to spew, parrot, eat-up and promote as gospel, because they read it on Twitter (X).
[b]Aaron Rodgers, Pat McAfee Got Hilariously Duped by Fake NFL Stat About Jared Goff[/b]
[URL]https://www.si.com/nfl/aaron-rodgers-pat-mcafee-duped-by-fake-jared-goff-stat[/URL][/QUOTE]Why jack with X? You have to sign up for an account, login, do a search to find something that gets your juices flowing, and so on. Instead you could just flop down in an easy chair, turn on your TV, and watch MSNBC! You'll find lots of lies, slander, anti-crap and mis / disinformation! And Rachel, Lawrence, Joy and Chris will do a much better job of spewing, parroting, eating up and promoting than any two bit amateurs on X!
But yes, if you're willing to go to all that trouble, you too can find lies, slander, anti-crap and mis / disinformation from your side on X too! I threw out this for your viewing pleasure just the other day. And she's a hell of a lot more attractive than Rachel or Joy! Who whacks off to them, besides Lesbians, anyway?
[URL]https://x.com/AesPolitics1/status/1855473656547209370[/URL]
And yes dear Spidy, X is much more consistent with American principles of free speech than other platforms like Facebook! It doesn't censor as much since Musk took over.
For our 7/8 billions people world, when US are only 5%, when Xhina + India are 40%, problem is not Republicans or Democrats, but crazy Trump and his mafia who are dangerous for safety. Same like Israel, not Jews, become a problem because of criminal Netanyahou who should be happy with Trump election. 2 crazy dangerous. Trump is not able to understand what he read, when fortunately, never thousands deaths between Russia and Ukraine on 3 last days, same like nobody ate pets in Springfield, but his few neurons are too old to be still able to understand, but geriatric level.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960933]I've always maintained Biden won the 2020 election fair and square. [/QUOTE]Hear ye! Hear ye! MAGA ISG Nation!
MAGA ISG nation, pay attention and take notes. As [U]your MAGA adjacent[/U], Tiny 12, "Republican Libertarian", has declared and is telling you [I][b]"...Biden won the 2020 election fair and square"[/b][/I].
So in other words, STOP "the BIG LIE" and...
...STOP being [B]SORE LOSERS!!![/B].
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960933]I've always maintained Biden won the 2020 election fair and square. You believe the Republicans cheated in 2024, the bold text in my Spidy quote.
There are a lot of Coke advertisements on MSNBC and other MSM, which is probably why you prefer it. Also when you were a kid that Socialist advertising campaign, I'd like to buy the world a Coke, most likely had a profound influence on you. Only Coke has been replaced by tanks, planes and whatever else we buy for Israel and Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Pence confirmed on 6 January 2021, when Trump asked him to lie. Then, Capitol and democracy were attacked, when Trump doesn't know constitution and doesn't respect law. He should have been prosecuted for several affairs. Bad image for US, like if Al Capone was elected.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960933]I've always maintained Biden won the 2020 election fair and square.[/QUOTE]So there was no conspiracy among former intelligence officers, the media, and the FBI to spike the Hunter Biden laptop story? That was not a conspiracy defraud an election?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961224][B] Well, before Bubba was paid handsomely to put the CCP into the WTO[/b]
It was common knowledge there were hookers on every corner in CCP land, I read either on ISG or another site that pre Bubba WTO days, there were decent hookers practically working under every bridge in CCP land.
To be had for $1 or $2, Xi has put an end to all that he wants them in factories making landfill fodder, for the likes of Walmart and Bozo.
But just think Our Lord and Savior is going to usher in changes to bring back the glory days for you, you can re-locate to your dream locale.
[URL]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/982835.shtml[/URL]
I've had my share of Thai putas and then some, if you shut down the land of putas today, I would never miss it, I've found much greener pastures elsewhere!![/QUOTE][B]China and the World Trade Organization.[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_World_Trade_Organization[/URL]
[QUOTE]China became a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO) on [b]11 December 2001[/b], after the agreement of the Ministerial Conference.[/QUOTE]And who among us will ever forget where we were the day President GW Bush signed and passed The Affordable Care Act / Obamacare?
Lolol.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961209]You seem to have managed to talk yourself into the bizarre conclusion that campaigning as Pro Crypto is all Upside and no Downside, as in speaking out in favor of Mom and Apple Pie. If any internal study or survey showed pols that an "I am pro Crypto. I love that everyone around the world is plowing so much of their Bidenomics Worldwide Economic Rescue and Recovery Money into it" stance was as much 100% Upside and 0% Downside as you appear to think then every pol would be taking that stance.[/QUOTE]This is just sour grapes. I asked to prove the money flowing into crypto comes from the US and you ignore the question and just keep repeating your opinion as if it is fact. Look up global liquidity cycles and increase your understanding of macro economies and money flows.
You have already admitted to not knowing anything about crypto and not following it. So admit that you don't know what you don't know. You don't know what I am thinking. You are just putting words into my mouth and projecting your thoughts into my brain.
Stop making this personal EihTooms, just because I think differently than you. You still my ISG Brother and we both love good home theater systems and good sound. We even live in the same country. (I think).
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961209]There is a huge difference between Trump flipping his stance on Crypto to "I am pro Crypto" on the campaign trail merely because a crypto campaign donor paid him to flip and say so and Kamala Harris declaring such a thing.[/QUOTE]They were campaign promises. He needs to be in office before he can fulfill them. You speak disrespectfully to me [B]EihTooms[/B]. You think this is my first rodeo. You think crypto is going the right the regulations. Well we should. Because we paid for the access, just like the oil industry, the financial services industry, farmers and anyone else that writes a check in order to gain influence of the law and regulations that regulate their industry. If you don't understand that much. You should just quit responding to my posts.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961209]He can say anything with no Downside in an election campaign. I am sure if they asked him why he is or was pro Crypto, what is it he likes about it, he would not have the slightest clue what crypto is. The same as I suspect 9,999 out of 10,000 American voters.[/QUOTE]Who gives a fuck? I do. I care that he promised to make changes in USGOV that will be positive for crypto. Good enough for me. The crypto industry has allowed me to earn life improving money. Democratic either want to kill us or ignore us. If Trump does no more than to fire the current SEC chair because he won't tender his resignation then I'm good! I said I am a one issue voter. I am. If democrats don't pay attention to the crypto vote then it is their loss.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961209]By stark contrast, [b]Kamala Harris[/b][/QUOTE]Never got a single vote in a democratic primary race. [B]Fact[/B]!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961209]Yeah, yeah, I know you are one of those 1 in 10,000 American voters who gives a shit about Crypto and knows all about it and it doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE]Thank you for speaking the truth. How about this, lets change the tax law and eliminate depreciation on rental real estate. Change the tax rates on dividends, eliminate social security. Yep, I think I made my point.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961209]I just don't see the crypto issue being nearly the contribution to Harris losing by that razor-thin of a margin[/QUOTE]Fine advise your democratic candidates for office to continue to ignore the [B]Crypto Vote[/B]! See you at the midterms.
ROTFLMO!
Why do Trump and his fellow Repubs hate American farmers so much?
[B]US farmers gird for trade wars on Trump tariff pledges.
Nov. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-farmers-gird-trade-wars-030946087.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Donald Trump's first White House term saw a bruising trade war with China that left a lingering impact on farmers -- and many are bracing for further fallout as the President-elect threatens higher levies on Beijing.
Trump tariffs since 2018 hit some $300 billion of Chinese imports, sparking retaliation that targeted key farm products like soybeans and caused exports to fall.
US farmers relied on subsidies to get by at the time and say China has since reduced its reliance on American agriculture products.
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- 'No money' -
"There was no money to pay the bills, no money to actually have a living out of the operation," said Ted Winter, whose farm in Minnesota grows corn and soybeans.
Retaliatory tariffs on the United States caused more than $27 billion in US agricultural export losses from mid-2018 to late-2019, the Department of Agriculture (USDA) found.
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Michael Slattery, who grows crops like corn, soybeans and wheat in Wisconsin, added: "I view this second term with tremendous trepidation."
Between 2017 and 2018 for example, his soybean income fell by over $25,000 -- and government payouts to alleviate the pain made up for just over half the shortfall.
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-Lasting hit -
"What is more frightening is the breakdown in commercial order that has taken decades to establish," Slattery said..[/QUOTE]I wonder if that Wisconsin farmer knows a shift of only about a 0. 4 percentage point in votes from Trump to Harris in his state and almost the same in just two other neighboring states would have been plenty to prevent Trump from imposing new and additional crippling Trump Tariff American Consumer Taxes on him and other Americans and keep the roaring Biden Economic Recovery going?
Oh well.
I hope Trump's nominee for Secretary of the Agriculture, Kim Kardashian, can convince him to issue $Billions more in deficit spending Welfare Checks / subsidies for American farmers just to keep them afloat this time like he did last time.
I am sure she will convince him to do it as long as she assures him he can put his name on those Welfare Checks again.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961327]So there was no conspiracy among former intelligence officers, the media, and the FBI to spike the Hunter Biden laptop story? That was not a conspiracy defraud an election?[/QUOTE]So the Nothingness regarding Biden's drug-addicted son's laptop would have been enough to destroy his chances of being elected but Trump being justifiably ranked The Worst President in History by a team of bi-partisan presidential historians with his record high deficit spending, massive jobs destruction, mass murder and Insurrection facts to support it was a sure-fire ticket to his re-election.
Lolol.
Good God. If that doesn't tell you everything anyone needs to know about the numbskull, America-hating Repub voting base, nothing will.
Seriously. What the genuine fuck were these numbskulls smoking?
[B]Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks.
Nov. 15, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/muslims-who-voted-for-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks/[/URL]
[QUOTE]US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administrations support for Israels war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
"Trump won because of us and were not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others, says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in [b]Pennsylvania[/b] and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win [b]Michigan[/b] and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.[/QUOTE]I wonder if those latest Trump suckers know that a mere shift of LESS than one (1) percentage point in votes from Trump to Harris in those two states and just one other in the region would have been plenty to prevent them from being victimized so humiliatingly and devastatingly by another utterly predictable Trump con and scam?
Oh well.
Are the Latinos and Crypto folks the next ones to realize way too late that they have been conned by the worst, most clumsy, most blatantly obvious con man of all time?
Sad.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961208]I get why you say that Gaetz is a narcissist who has engaged in less than ideal behavior. Thing is the last 2 "respectable" Trump AG picks IMO were horrible. They were not loyal to Trump and seemed more interested in kowtowing to Democrats. That bird brain Sessions let the Dems have the Russiagate issue for 2+ years. Instead of Barr saying we do not know if there was cheating in 2020, he mouthed that there was none.
If there were no Merrick Garland and no lawfare campaign, I might agree with you, but we saw one of the first act Sessions pulled was to punt on Hiliary.
One thing I never want to see in my lifetime is the DOJ launch a machine gun laden SWAT team at a presidential contender with a warrant under seal. Fuck that banana Republic shit! I am not in the mood for some "respectable nominee" willing to sweep that under the rug. I think Gaetz is not going to let that happen. I think he is also get to the bottom of how much the DOJ was involved in the other bullshit lawfare campaigns and clean house with all the partisan hacks in the DOJ.
Unlike the Democrats who reveled in a clearly biased DOJ, I will be sounding the alarm if Gaetz tries to turn the DOJ Republican. If Biden and Garland did not engage in this disgusting lawfare campaign, Tiny, I would agree with you but IMO the Attorney General pick was Trump's most important pick, and he had to pick someone with some huge balls, and Gaetz has them.[/QUOTE]I agree, unleashing the SWAT team on Mar A Lago was way over the top. That's the Man's way of showing us we're all under his thumb, even an ex President.
Gaetz may not be in the same league as Bob Menendez or George Santos, but I suspect he's corrupt. He's also underqualified. And he started the bomb throwing in the House that ended with a tiny Republican majority this year. Compare to what happened in the Senate and presidential elections. Admittedly he's more likely to share our concern about the use of the Mann Act to prosecute people who travel with sugar babies and girlfriends, but there are just too many negatives.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961327]So there was no conspiracy among former intelligence officers, the media, and the FBI to spike the Hunter Biden laptop story? That was not a conspiracy defraud an election?[/QUOTE]I didn't follow that story closely Elvis, but suspect there wasn't anything on the laptop that would have changed the outcome of the election.
That said, I do think the DOJ went awfully easy on Hunter on the tax charges until that fact was brought to the attention of the public. And if you want to talk about conspiracies to defraud an election and punish a political opponent, look at what they did to Trump in Manhattan. It backfired though.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2961277]Hear ye! Hear ye! MAGA ISG Nation!
MAGA ISG nation, pay attention and take notes. As [U]your MAGA adjacent[/U], Tiny 12, "Republican Libertarian", has declared and is telling you [I][b]"...Biden won the 2020 election fair and square"[/b][/I].
So in other words, STOP "the BIG LIE" and...
...STOP being [B]SORE LOSERS!!![/B].[/QUOTE]Hey Spidy, you should stop being a sore loser as well:
[QUOTE=Spidy;2960709] Repubs have gotten more aggressive and sophisticated, at voter suppression, voter list purges and voter intimidation.
Repubs/Russian backed-interference, disinformation and 'swatting', were alarming. Notably in Dem urban Black and Brown voting communities.
Reduced polling stations in urban communities and urban centers, forcing urban (largely Dem) voters to wait in untenable and longer 2-4hr lines, putting off voters.[/QUOTE]Please decide whether I'm a Libertarian Republican or Bothsider / Neithersider. It's not fair to just switch back and forth depending on the subject matter. It has to be one or the other.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961346][B]China and the World Trade Organization.[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_World_Trade_Organization[/URL]
And who among us will ever forget where we were the day President GW Bush signed and passed The Affordable Care Act / Obamacare?
Lolol.[/QUOTE]I could ask you why you lie about White Trash Bubba so much he took approx $150 M in kickbacks via the CF and did many hundreds of trillions of damage to the US economy and our people.
He belongs in a cell rotting in Florence with his ugly husband, just think if not for Our Lord and Savior they would of given us TPP also and would be finishing up his 3rd and 4th terms.
But you lie about everything you write about, that's why you internationally known as Bangkok BOB.
[URL]https://www.aol.com/news/cnn-exclusive-bill-clinton-hopes-113023817.html[/URL]
Technology and culture have led to a lot of changes in the country. But so did NAFTA, letting China into the World Trade Organization and the other deals that Clinton ushered in, boosting globalization but gutting American jobs and wages in ways he never imagined.
He was the one who tapped into the White working-class vote back then to break through the political establishment, and then signed trade agreements and banking laws that created the job losses and resentment that has transformed American politics. His wife was the one whose loss put Trump in the White House, in a way that burns him still.
Here they reference Glass Steagall also, that you will deny blew up the global economy in 2008.
[URL]https://www.policymagazine.ca/the-tragic-legacy-of-bill-clintons-china-doctrine/[/URL]
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82426&page=1[/URL]
[URL]https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/[/URL]
[URL]https://slate.com/business/2016/09/when-china-joined-the-wto-it-kick-started-the-chinese-economy-and-roused-a-giant.html[/URL]
On May 24,2000, Bill Clinton clinched what many believed would be the last great legislative victory of his presidency. That afternoon, the House of Representatives voted to award China permanent normal trade relations, effectively backing Beijing's long-in-the-making bid to join the World Trade Organization. The historic deal had been Clinton's top priority in the waning days of his last terma move he hoped would improve relations with the world's most populous nation, while cementing his own legacy of using free trade to advance America's foreign policy interests. It had been opposed by labor unions wary of competition from poorly paid foreign workers and championed by corporations salivating over 1. 3 billion potential Chinese customers (the business lobby had spent millions on TV ads supporting the pact). In the end, after much wrangling, 73 Democrats joined 164 Republicans to pass the agreement, which was expected to glide through the Senate.
"This is a good day for America," Clinton said afterward. "In 10 years from now we will look back on this day and be glad we did this. We will see that we have given ourselves a chance to build the kind of future we want. ".
Things have not worked out quite as the 42nd president hoped. Normalizing trade with China set our rival on a path to becoming the industrial powerhouse the world knows today, decimating American factory towns in the process and upending old assumptions about how trade effects the economy. Thanks to a growing body of academic research, we're only just now beginning to understand the extent of the economic fallout, as well as the degree to which it has helped poison our politics. If you want to understand why Donald Trump's furious message about trade resonates with so much of the public, and has helped him come within striking distance of defeating Hillary Clinton and taking the White House, you have to start with another Clinton's choice at the end of his term.
Clinton's reasons for embracing trade with China had as much to do with geopolitics as economics. By the late 1990's, the People's Republic was a fast-growing but relatively cloistered economy dominated by a government whose human rights record could be summed up with the words Tiananmen Square. But after years of false starts, its leadership had become determined to join the WTO, the club of nations that sets the ground rules for international trade. This was no small commitmentgaining membership would require China to strike individual deals with the group's 135 members to ease tariffs and open itself to foreign companies. In part, that meant giving its own citizens more leeway to run businesses.
Embracing those sorts of economic liberties, Clinton argued, might one day lead the Communist Party to allow more political liberties as well. "By joining the WTO, China is not simply agreeing to import more of our products; it is agreeing to import one of democracy's most cherished values: economic freedom," the president said in a March 2000 speech.
Former Ambassador Charlene Barshefsky, who served as the USA Trade representative under Clinton and helped negotiate China's deal with the USA, explained to me that given China's size, its involvement on the world stage was "an almost foregone conclusion. " With that in mind, what mattered was how it would happen: "Would it go in a direction antithetical to Western norms? Or could it be encouraged to go in a direction that was compatible to Western norms?
In 1999, the White House hashed out its agreement with Beijing. China would drop tariffs and other trade barriers tripping up USA Farmers and companies. In return, the USA Would support China's WTO application, phase out some quotas that limited Chinese textile imports, and (most importantly) give it permanent most favored nation trade status. What, exactly did that mean? China had enjoyed the same low tariffs on its exports to the USA As most other countries since 1979. But, under an old Cold Warera law, the president and Congress were essentially required to renew those trade rights each year, a bit of political theater that often involved airing all sorts of grievances about China's rights record. (They were nevertheless renewed each time, without fail.) Making trade relations permanent eliminated that thorny annual ritualin short, it would take Beijing off probation.
Most experts did not see this as a particularly large concession, since nothing, as far as they could tell, would fundamentally change about the USA And China's trade relationship. Paul Krugman, who was pro-normalization, and would go on to win a Nobel Prize in economics for his work on trade, spoke for many when he called it "an issue whose symbolic importance is much larger than its direct economic implications. " Clinton, for his part, argued the USA Was essentially getting something for nothing. "Economically, this agreement is the equivalent of a one-way street," he said in March 2000. "It requires China to open its marketswith a fifth of the world's population, potentially the biggest markets in the worldto both our products and services in unprecedented new ways. All we do is to agree to maintain the present access which China enjoys. ".
Supporters of the deal didn't just tout its benefits for Americans. They also argued that voting against it would handicap USA Businesses in the future. China technically only needed support from two-thirds of the WTO's members, even if it was expected to strike bargains with all of them, so it would join the group regardless of Washington's qualms. And if Congress refused to grant China trade permanent status, Beijing would be allowed to continue shutting out American companies even as it opened its market to their foreign competition. "If Congress votes yes, the United States will benefit. If it votes no, only its economic competitors will benefit," wrote the Washington Post's editorial board, in support of normalization.
It's striking, in retrospect, just how small supporters of normalization seemed to think the economic stakes of the deal really were. The USA International Trade Commission, for instance, produced an analysis suggesting that if Beijing joined the WTO, the USA Economy would grow by just $1. 7 billion. Gary Hufbauer and Daniel Rosen of the Peterson Institute for International Economics suggested that, with permanent normal trade relations, USA Exports to China would enjoy a one-time jump of $5. 4 billion. Without it? They'the pop up $2. 4 billion. The difference to the USA Economy would be like an extra rock or two tossed into Lake Michigan.
Labor unions and their allies thought otherwise. Already angry over the North American Free Trade Agreement, which had drawn some manufacturing production into Mexico, they argued that a deal with China would send more factory work overseas. Some of their predictions seemed apocalyptic. The Economic Policy Institute's Robert Scott suggested that our roughly $70 billion deficit with China might double or more in 10 years, costing the USA Some 817,000 jobs. (Hufbauer and Rosen called those calculations "an absurd extrapolation. ".
In hindsight, the fears weren't absurd at all. In the months immediately after Congress voted to normalize trade with China, dozens of USA Corporations announced that they were moving manufacturing overseas. And once China officially joined in the WTO in 2001, the country rapidly began transforming into an export behemoth as foreign investment and factory work flooded into the countryits surplus with United States alone rose from $83 billion in 2001 to more than $295 billion in 2011. During the same 10-year period, USA Manufacturing employment, which had stayed essentially steady in the years after NAFTA, declined from about 17.1 million to 11.8 million. Manufacturing had been withering as a share of America's labor market for many, many years. But the shockingly fast collapse of the early 2000's simply convulsed blue-collar communities.
Were all 5 million of those job losses due to trade with China? Not at allmany likely disappeared as machines replaced human labor in factories. Did American manufacturing vanish altogether? Nopeoutput actually reached all-time highs before the Great Recession. But starting in 2013, economists David Autor, David Dorn, and Gordon Hanson, along with other collaborators, began publishing a series of papers showing that manufacturing employment had declined significantly more in parts of the United States where local businesses faced stiff competition from Chinese imports, compared with places where industry was less exposed. Between 1999 and 2011, the authors estimated, about 985,000 American manufacturing jobs were wiped away by China's export boom. Adding in the restaurants, movie theaters, and other businesses that wilted as plants shuttered, the researchers estimated that the "China shock," as they dubbed it, cost the USA Some 2 million to 2. 4 million jobsspread from the Rust Belt to the South to the far corners of New England.
Much of this flew in the face of conventional economics. The textbook line on free trade was that while it created winners and losers, the effects were supposed to show up in people's paychecks, not in raw jobs numbers. For a country like the USA, trading with a country like China or Mexico should push down wages a bit for less educated workers as factory work moved away, and increase wages for more educated workers, whose salaries would stretch a little further thanks to inexpensive cars, TVs, and T-shirts. People who lost work, it was assumed, would generally adjust by movingeither into a new industry, or a new town with better prospects.
How had the economists, and the administration, gotten it so wrong? The most popular answer among politicians is currency manipulation. China pegged the yuan to the dollar after massively devaluing it in the mid-1990's, then didn't let it begin to rise in value until after 2005, once its boom had taken off. Keeping the redback cheap simultaneously boosted Chinese exports, by making them more affordable to buyers abroad, and discouraged imports, by making them more expensive to Chinese consumers.
But most economists think currency manipulation is, at best, only a partial explanation for China's export explosion. Another answer is that joining the WTO forced the country to reform its economic rules in ways that made its manufacturing sector exponentially more competitive, which quickly unleashed the power of its massive, low-wage labor force. As Autor, Hanson, and Dorn have noted, Beijing shut down turgid state-owned manufacturers, allowing private businesses to take their place. It permitted companies to start exporting directly instead of working through state-owned intermediariesaccording to one study, that change alone might have made a 30 percent difference in its exports. By lowering tariffs, the government also made it easier for companies to import the materials they needed to manufacture their goods. In other words, China had more room to grow than anybody imagined, because of how stunted its economy had started out.
"I don't think people were stupid. I was one of those people," Hanson told me, when I asked why he thought so many economists had underestimated China. "We didn't realize how distorted China's economy was. ".
Clinton's decision to normalize trade relations and welcome China into the WTO may have been like a key in the ignition, encouraging Beijing to become more competitive. But researchers are starting to think it had an important psychological effect on American business executives, too. Justin Pierce of the Federal Reserve Board and Peter Schott at Yale suggest that granting Beijing permanent trade status gave companies the confidence that they could send production offshore, or just start buying goods from Chinese suppliers, without having to worry that Washington might one day impose large tariffs. In other words, it instantly made moving your TV plant to Shenzhen less of a risky bet. In support of this argument, they show that after 2000, American employment generally dropped fastest in the manufacturing industries where tariffs on Chinese goods would have shot up the most had Congress suddenly revoked the country's trading rights. The more the threat of tariffs faded, the more jobs disappeared.
And it turns out that people and communities don't instantly adjust when their livelihoods are upended, the way they do in textbooks. Autor, Dorn, Hanson, et al. Found that, when factory jobs disappeared, nothing showed up to replace them. Rather than moving to places with more opportunities, workers tended to stick around their hollowed-out hometownsafter all, uprooting your life for the sake of work isn't that easy for people without much in the way of resources.
It's hard to say exactly what the USA Should have done differently. What would have happened if Congress had rebuffed Clinton and refused to normalize relations? Maybe Beijing's leaders would have soldiered on and joined the WTO anyway, as many predicted. Or maybe injured national pride would have empowered China's own anti-globalization hard-liners and kept it from acceding or embracing market reforms as ardently as they didin which case, there's a chance hundreds of millions of Chinese workers would be poorer today, because their country still hadn't opened up to the world. It's also possible that the USA Trade deficit would have grown even if China hadn't turned into such a manufacturing force, in part because the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency keeps its value high, and because, as a nation, we don't save a lot (which the rules of economics say should lead to a trade deficit). If China had never risen, maybe we'the be angrier today about factories fleeing to Mexico or Vietnam.
It's also possible that most Americans have benefited from Chinese trade in the end, thanks to lower consumer prices. Would you even have an iPhone right now without China's low-cost supply chain? Unfortunately, people feel such benefits less acutely than the very concentrated losses in communities where the local economy has been shredded by trade.
The deep pain those cities and towns have experienced is one of the powerful forces that have transformed American politics into a form of tribal warfare over the past decade. Exhibit A is, of course, Donald Trump. It's a mistake to try to pin the Republican nominee's rise on any single factor, whether xenophobia, racism, or economic anxiety. But it's no accident that a candidate who barks about the evils of trade and the need to get tough on China has won the adoration of white working-class men who have watched their hometowns bleed jobs thanks, at least in part, to globalization. Earlier this year, the Wall Street Journal found that during the Republican primary, Trump won 89 of the 100 counties that were most exposed to trade with China.
But the political impact of Chinese imports has been wider than just Trump. Academic researchers have found that districts that lose jobs due to trade are more likely to turn against incumbents. Between 2002 and 2010, districts that faced Chinese import competition became far less likely to elect moderate Democrats and far more likely to elect extremely conservative Republicans, including Tea Party members.
Whether or not embracing trade with China was the correct economic decision for the wider country, the people in power simply weren't prepared to help the communities that would suffer the bargain. Their best guesses about the economic impact of normalization bore little relation to what was in store, and little was done for those who got the short end of the bargain, even after it became clear that all was not proceeding as Clinton had hoped. It's become fashionable to say that America needs to do a better job assisting globalization's losers so we can all enjoy its benefits. We don't know how to do that yet, and for a lot of Americans it's too late. Many of them are placing their hopes in Donald Trump and even if he loses, the rage and disappointment he's capitalized on will remain.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961381]Seriously. What the genuine fuck were these numbskulls smoking?
[B]Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks.
Nov. 15, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/muslims-who-voted-for-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks/[/URL]
I wonder if those latest Trump suckers know that a mere shift of LESS than one (1) percentage point in votes from Trump to Harris in those two states and just one other in the region would have been plenty to prevent them from being victimized so humiliatingly and devastatingly by another utterly predictable Trump con and scam?
Oh well.
Are the Latinos and Crypto folks the next ones to realize way too late that they have been conned by the worst, most clumsy, most blatantly obvious con man of all time?
Sad.[/QUOTE]On May 24,2000, Bill Clinton clinched what many believed would be the last great legislative victory of his presidency. That afternoon, the House of Representatives voted to award China permanent normal trade relations, effectively backing Beijing's long-in-the-making bid to join the World Trade Organization. The historic deal had been Clinton's top priority in the waning days of his last terma move he hoped would improve relations with the world's most populous nation, while cementing his own legacy of using free trade to advance America's foreign policy interests. It had been opposed by labor unions wary of competition from poorly paid foreign workers and championed by corporations salivating over 1. 3 billion potential Chinese customers (the business lobby had spent millions on TV ads supporting the pact). In the end, after much wrangling, 73 Democrats joined 164 Republicans to pass the agreement, which was expected to glide through the Senate.
"This is a good day for America," Clinton said afterward. "In 10 years from now we will look back on this day and be glad we did this. We will see that we have given ourselves a chance to build the kind of future we want. ".
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Things have not worked out quite as the 42nd president hoped. Normalizing trade with China set our rival on a path to becoming the industrial powerhouse the world knows today, decimating American factory towns in the process and upending old assumptions about how trade effects the economy. Thanks to a growing body of academic research, we're only just now beginning to understand the extent of the economic fallout, as well as the degree to which it has helped poison our politics. If you want to understand why Donald Trump's furious message about trade resonates with so much of the public, and has helped him come within striking distance of defeating Hillary Clinton and taking the White House, you have to start with another Clinton's choice at the end of his term.
Clinton's reasons for embracing trade with China had as much to do with geopolitics as economics. By the late 1990's, the People's Republic was a fast-growing but relatively cloistered economy dominated by a government whose human rights record could be summed up with the words Tiananmen Square. But after years of false starts, its leadership had become determined to join the WTO, the club of nations that sets the ground rules for international trade. This was no small commitmentgaining membership would require China to strike individual deals with the group's 135 members to ease tariffs and open itself to foreign companies. In part, that meant giving its own citizens more leeway to run businesses.
Embracing those sorts of economic liberties, Clinton argued, might one day lead the Communist Party to allow more political liberties as well. "By joining the WTO, China is not simply agreeing to import more of our products; it is agreeing to import one of democracy's most cherished values: economic freedom," the president said in a March 2000 speech.
Former Ambassador Charlene Barshefsky, who served as the USA Trade representative under Clinton and helped negotiate China's deal with the USA, explained to me that given China's size, its involvement on the world stage was "an almost foregone conclusion. " With that in mind, what mattered was how it would happen: "Would it go in a direction antithetical to Western norms? Or could it be encouraged to go in a direction that was compatible to Western norms?
In 1999, the White House hashed out its agreement with Beijing. China would drop tariffs and other trade barriers tripping up USA Farmers and companies. In return, the USA Would support China's WTO application, phase out some quotas that limited Chinese textile imports, and (most importantly) give it permanent most favored nation trade status. What, exactly did that mean? China had enjoyed the same low tariffs on its exports to the USA As most other countries since 1979. But, under an old Cold Warera law, the president and Congress were essentially required to renew those trade rights each year, a bit of political theater that often involved airing all sorts of grievances about China's rights record. (They were nevertheless renewed each time, without fail.) Making trade relations permanent eliminated that thorny annual ritualin short, it would take Beijing off probation.
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Most experts did not see this as a particularly large concession, since nothing, as far as they could tell, would fundamentally change about the USA And China's trade relationship. Paul Krugman, who was pro-normalization, and would go on to win a Nobel Prize in economics for his work on trade, spoke for many when he called it "an issue whose symbolic importance is much larger than its direct economic implications. " Clinton, for his part, argued the USA Was essentially getting something for nothing. "Economically, this agreement is the equivalent of a one-way street," he said in March 2000. "It requires China to open its marketswith a fifth of the world's population, potentially the biggest markets in the worldto both our products and services in unprecedented new ways. All we do is to agree to maintain the present access which China enjoys. ".
Supporters of the deal didn't just tout its benefits for Americans. They also argued that voting against it would handicap USA Businesses in the future. China technically only needed support from two-thirds of the WTO's members, even if it was expected to strike bargains with all of them, so it would join the group regardless of Washington's qualms. And if Congress refused to grant China trade permanent status, Beijing would be allowed to continue shutting out American companies even as it opened its market to their foreign competition. "If Congress votes yes, the United States will benefit. If it votes no, only its economic competitors will benefit," wrote the Washington Post's editorial board, in support of normalization.
It's striking, in retrospect, just how small supporters of normalization seemed to think the economic stakes of the deal really were. The USA International Trade Commission, for instance, produced an analysis suggesting that if Beijing joined the WTO, the USA Economy would grow by just $1. 7 billion. Gary Hufbauer and Daniel Rosen of the Peterson Institute for International Economics suggested that, with permanent normal trade relations, USA Exports to China would enjoy a one-time jump of $5. 4 billion. Without it? They'the pop up $2. 4 billion. The difference to the USA Economy would be like an extra rock or two tossed into Lake Michigan.
Labor unions and their allies thought otherwise. Already angry over the North American Free Trade Agreement, which had drawn some manufacturing production into Mexico, they argued that a deal with China would send more factory work overseas. Some of their predictions seemed apocalyptic. The Economic Policy Institute's Robert Scott suggested that our roughly $70 billion deficit with China might double or more in 10 years, costing the USA Some 817,000 jobs. (Hufbauer and Rosen called those calculations "an absurd extrapolation. ".
In hindsight, the fears weren't absurd at all. In the months immediately after Congress voted to normalize trade with China, dozens of USA Corporations announced that they were moving manufacturing overseas. And once China officially joined in the WTO in 2001, the country rapidly began transforming into an export behemoth as foreign investment and factory work flooded into the countryits surplus with United States alone rose from $83 billion in 2001 to more than $295 billion in 2011. During the same 10-year period, USA Manufacturing employment, which had stayed essentially steady in the years after NAFTA, declined from about 17.1 million to 11.8 million. Manufacturing had been withering as a share of America's labor market for many, many years. But the shockingly fast collapse of the early 2000's simply convulsed blue-collar communities.
Advertisement.
Were all 5 million of those job losses due to trade with China? Not at allmany likely disappeared as machines replaced human labor in factories. Did American manufacturing vanish altogether? Nopeoutput actually reached all-time highs before the Great Recession. But starting in 2013, economists David Autor, David Dorn, and Gordon Hanson, along with other collaborators, began publishing a series of papers showing that manufacturing employment had declined significantly more in parts of the United States where local businesses faced stiff competition from Chinese imports, compared with places where industry was less exposed. Between 1999 and 2011, the authors estimated, about 985,000 American manufacturing jobs were wiped away by China's export boom. Adding in the restaurants, movie theaters, and other businesses that wilted as plants shuttered, the researchers estimated that the "China shock," as they dubbed it, cost the USA Some 2 million to 2. 4 million jobsspread from the Rust Belt to the South to the far corners of New England.
Much of this flew in the face of conventional economics. The textbook line on free trade was that while it created winners and losers, the effects were supposed to show up in people's paychecks, not in raw jobs numbers. For a country like the USA, trading with a country like China or Mexico should push down wages a bit for less educated workers as factory work moved away, and increase wages for more educated workers, whose salaries would stretch a little further thanks to inexpensive cars, TVs, and T-shirts. People who lost work, it was assumed, would generally adjust by movingeither into a new industry, or a new town with better prospects.
How had the economists, and the administration, gotten it so wrong? The most popular answer among politicians is currency manipulation. China pegged the yuan to the dollar after massively devaluing it in the mid-1990's, then didn't let it begin to rise in value until after 2005, once its boom had taken off. Keeping the redback cheap simultaneously boosted Chinese exports, by making them more affordable to buyers abroad, and discouraged imports, by making them more expensive to Chinese consumers.
But most economists think currency manipulation is, at best, only a partial explanation for China's export explosion. Another answer is that joining the WTO forced the country to reform its economic rules in ways that made its manufacturing sector exponentially more competitive, which quickly unleashed the power of its massive, low-wage labor force. As Autor, Hanson, and Dorn have noted, Beijing shut down turgid state-owned manufacturers, allowing private businesses to take their place. It permitted companies to start exporting directly instead of working through state-owned intermediariesaccording to one study, that change alone might have made a 30 percent difference in its exports. By lowering tariffs, the government also made it easier for companies to import the materials they needed to manufacture their goods. In other words, China had more room to grow than anybody imagined, because of how stunted its economy had started out.
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"I don't think people were stupid. I was one of those people," Hanson told me, when I asked why he thought so many economists had underestimated China. "We didn't realize how distorted China's economy was. ".
Clinton's decision to normalize trade relations and welcome China into the WTO may have been like a key in the ignition, encouraging Beijing to become more competitive. But researchers are starting to think it had an important psychological effect on American business executives, too. Justin Pierce of the Federal Reserve Board and Peter Schott at Yale suggest that granting Beijing permanent trade status gave companies the confidence that they could send production offshore, or just start buying goods from Chinese suppliers, without having to worry that Washington might one day impose large tariffs. In other words, it instantly made moving your TV plant to Shenzhen less of a risky bet. In support of this argument, they show that after 2000, American employment generally dropped fastest in the manufacturing industries where tariffs on Chinese goods would have shot up the most had Congress suddenly revoked the country's trading rights. The more the threat of tariffs faded, the more jobs disappeared.
And it turns out that people and communities don't instantly adjust when their livelihoods are upended, the way they do in textbooks. Autor, Dorn, Hanson, et al. Found that, when factory jobs disappeared, nothing showed up to replace them. Rather than moving to places with more opportunities, workers tended to stick around their hollowed-out hometownsafter all, uprooting your life for the sake of work isn't that easy for people without much in the way of resources.
It's hard to say exactly what the USA Should have done differently. What would have happened if Congress had rebuffed Clinton and refused to normalize relations? Maybe Beijing's leaders would have soldiered on and joined the WTO anyway, as many predicted. Or maybe injured national pride would have empowered China's own anti-globalization hard-liners and kept it from acceding or embracing market reforms as ardently as they didin which case, there's a chance hundreds of millions of Chinese workers would be poorer today, because their country still hadn't opened up to the world. It's also possible that the USA Trade deficit would have grown even if China hadn't turned into such a manufacturing force, in part because the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency keeps its value high, and because, as a nation, we don't save a lot (which the rules of economics say should lead to a trade deficit). If China had never risen, maybe we'the be angrier today about factories fleeing to Mexico or Vietnam.
It's also possible that most Americans have benefited from Chinese trade in the end, thanks to lower consumer prices. Would you even have an iPhone right now without China's low-cost supply chain? Unfortunately, people feel such benefits less acutely than the very concentrated losses in communities where the local economy has been shredded by trade.
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The deep pain those cities and towns have experienced is one of the powerful forces that have transformed American politics into a form of tribal warfare over the past decade. Exhibit A is, of course, Donald Trump. It's a mistake to try to pin the Republican nominee's rise on any single factor, whether xenophobia, racism, or economic anxiety. But it's no accident that a candidate who barks about the evils of trade and the need to get tough on China has won the adoration of white working-class men who have watched their hometowns bleed jobs thanks, at least in part, to globalization. Earlier this year, the Wall Street Journal found that during the Republican primary, Trump won 89 of the 100 counties that were most exposed to trade with China.
But the political impact of Chinese imports has been wider than just Trump. Academic researchers have found that districts that lose jobs due to trade are more likely to turn against incumbents. Between 2002 and 2010, districts that faced Chinese import competition became far less likely to elect moderate Democrats and far more likely to elect extremely conservative Republicans, including Tea Party members.
Whether or not embracing trade with China was the correct economic decision for the wider country, the people in power simply weren't prepared to help the communities that would suffer the bargain. Their best guesses about the economic impact of normalization bore little relation to what was in store, and little was done for those who got the short end of the bargain, even after it became clear that all was not proceeding as Clinton had hoped. It's become fashionable to say that America needs to do a better job assisting globalization's losers so we can all enjoy its benefits. We don't know how to do that yet, and for a lot of Americans it's too late. Many of them are placing their hopes in Donald Trumpand even if he loses, the rage and disappointment he's capitalized on will remain.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961403]I didn't follow that story closely Elvis, but suspect there wasn't anything on the laptop that would have changed the outcome of the election.
That said, I do think the DOJ went awfully easy on Hunter on the tax charges until that fact was brought to the attention of the public. And if you want to talk about conspiracies to defraud an election and punish a political opponent, look at what they did to Trump in Manhattan. It backfired though.[/QUOTE]You may as well be arguing with Dick Liz GW or ET they are all intellectually dishonest and disabled.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961403]I didn't follow that story closely Elvis, but suspect there wasn't anything on the laptop that would have changed the outcome of the election.[/QUOTE]No, polls have shown that is not true.
Keep in mind what Joe Biden said about Hunter. He was proud of his son and that his son had done nothing wrong. Joe Biden himself said in the debate with Trump the laptop was fake. So the Democratic douche notion that Hunter Biden's laptop did not smear Joe Biden is bullshit.
As for what was on the laptop, well what do you imagine was on it that would have thrown the election to Trump and was worth conspiring over? Hunter having sex with hookers and underage women? Check. Using crack cocaine? Check. Outlining the Biden bribe machine? Check. Taking millions from the Chinese? Check. The contents are all on line now.
And he is getting the money selling dad's influence. You think Americans seeing Hunter Biden's $20,000 monthly porn bills would not have affected some voters? You think this photo is not going to cost Biden votes? [URL]https://bidenreport.com/[/URL]#p=269 (You may have to go to the Biden report site and put in 269 in the page number. There are dozens of disgusting Hunter photos.).
Give me a fucking break man. That laptop shows beyond a shadow of a doubt what sleaze the Biden family is.
There is no President Biden if the public knew about what was in the content of that laptop. That is why the FBI, intelligence experts, and press tried so damned hard, successfully I might add, to suppress its content.
This is definitive proof the 2020 election was rigged.
Go to [URL]bidenreport.com[/URL]. If you want to see how bad all of it really was.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961381]Seriously. What the genuine fuck were these numbskulls smoking?
[B]Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks.
Nov. 15, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/muslims-who-voted-for-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks/[/URL]
I wonder if those latest Trump suckers know that a mere shift of LESS than one (1) percentage point in votes from Trump to Harris in those two states and just one other in the region would have been plenty to prevent them from being victimized so humiliatingly and devastatingly by another utterly predictable Trump con and scam?
Oh well.
Are the Latinos and Crypto folks the next ones to realize way too late that they have been conned by the worst, most clumsy, most blatantly obvious con man of all time?
Sad.[/QUOTE]To me, the only silver lining of this election is that Israel will be safer with Trump than it would be with Harris. And not because Trump loves Jews (that's laughable), but because he knows he can't afford to anger evangelicals, at least for now.
As for the so-called Muslim leaders, well, good job! Why not cut off your nose to spite the face?
Respect!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961381]Seriously. What the genuine fuck were these numbskulls smoking?
[B]Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks.
Nov. 15, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/muslims-who-voted-for-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks/[/URL]
I wonder if those latest Trump suckers know that a mere shift of LESS than one (1) percentage point in votes from Trump to Harris in those two states and just one other in the region would have been plenty to prevent them from being victimized so humiliatingly and devastatingly by another utterly predictable Trump con and scam?
Oh well.
Are the Latinos and Crypto folks the next ones to realize way too late that they have been conned by the worst, most clumsy, most blatantly obvious con man of all time?
Sad.[/QUOTE]I mean WTF did these dumb fucks expect? Chump is somebody who didn't even want to admit Muslims into this country! Even if they had valid visas! Then he turned around and moved the USA embassy to Jerusalem! Just what did they believe he was going to do for them? Talk about voting against your own interests! Same for women. It's just ignorant!
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2961354]This is just sour grapes. I asked to prove the money flowing into crypto comes from the US and you ignore the question and just keep repeating your opinion as if it is fact. Look up global liquidity cycles and increase your understanding of macro economies and money flows.
You have already admitted to not knowing anything about crypto and not following it. So admit that you don't know what you don't know. You don't know what I am thinking. You are just putting words into my mouth and projecting your thoughts into my brain.
Stop making this personal EihTooms, just because I think differently than you. You still my ISG Brother and we both love good home theater systems and good sound. We even live in the same country. (I think).
They were campaign promises. He needs to be in office before he can fulfill them. You speak disrespectfully to me [B]EihTooms[/B]. You think this is my first rodeo. You think crypto is going the right the regulations. Well we should. Because we paid for the access, just like the oil industry, the financial services industry, farmers and anyone else that writes a check in order to gain influence of the law and regulations that regulate their industry. If you don't understand that much. You should just quit responding to my posts.
Who gives a fuck? I do. I care that he promised to make changes in USGOV that will be positive for crypto. Good enough for me. The crypto industry has allowed me to earn life improving money. Democratic either want to kill us or ignore us. If Trump does no more than to fire the current SEC chair because he won't tender his resignation then I'm good! I said I am a one issue voter. I am. If democrats don't pay attention to the crypto vote then it is their loss.
Never got a single vote in a democratic primary race. [B]Fact[/B]!
Thank you for speaking the truth. How about this, lets change the tax law and eliminate depreciation on rental real estate. Change the tax rates on dividends, eliminate social security. Yep, I think I made my point.
Fine advise your democratic candidates for office to continue to ignore the [B]Crypto Vote[/B]! See you at the midterms.
ROTFLMO![/QUOTE]Haven't you been in on this [I]Trump Pump[/I] on Crypto since November 5th? If so, then I don't understand why I need to prove that USD is flowing into crypto. Are you in on it only with baht you earned in Thailand?
Biden's Worldwide Economic Rescue and Recovery Money is flowing into crypto. Even yours or so I thought. So why would anyone need to prove some of it is flowing from the USA too? If no USD is flowing into crypto at this time and no USA citizens are buying it, why in the world would Harris have needed to say anything about it during the campaign?
Fine. Educate me on it. Are Americans forbidden to purchase crypto? Or are their purchases at such low levels one needs to uncover hidden evidence of it somewhere? Really. Why are you demanding I prove some of the worldwide money flowing into crypto comes from the USA and the fact that I have not produced a link to USA bank transfers means it isn't happening?
Sorry, but I do think that is a strange point of contention and there is nothing personal about it.
Kamala Harris won practically all of the Democratic Party Delegates votes to become its Party's candidate. That does not violate any legal, legitimate or long term democratic norm.
By contrast, Trump is trying to manipulate and destroy the long term separation of powers' Advise and Consent norm by appointing his weird and unfit Cabinet Chairs and probably most other appointments over the next 4 years without a single Senate hearing or vote required.
Do you have any problem with that?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961403]That said, I do think the DOJ went awfully easy on Hunter on the tax charges until that fact was brought to the attention of the public.[/QUOTE]Hunter Biden is a red herring. The evil doers are the FBI, intelligence experts who lied their asses off to rig an election and Anthony Blinken who organized the conspiracy. There was also the media that buried its head in the sand once the laptop was known to be real.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961403]I didn't follow that story closely Elvis, but suspect there wasn't anything on the laptop that would have changed the outcome of the election.[/QUOTE]Think about what you just wrote, Tiny. You are a smart guy. You go for the facts. Why are you suspecting versus knowing? Why am I directing you to the content of the laptop versus the media? The basis of any con is telling the mark what he wants to hear. And when you used the words, I suspect you admitted to not knowing. You believed what was pleasant. The 2020 election was the fairest in history. That is not what is. That is what you want. You do not want to believe the election was rigged by all these current and past government officials.
In 2000, GW Bush was up in the polls and it was leaked that he had a DWI. That shifted the polls by 2 or 3% and GW Bush almost lost because of that story. That DWI was the breaking point for 2 to 3% of the population because for them Bush's personal morality was in question. What was on that laptop is a 1,000 X worse than a DWI. Joe Biden had a son engaging in these disgusting behaviors and Joe Biden claimed the laptop and son's behaviors were false and that his son did nothing wrong and he was proud of his son.
Forget about the legal issues and look at the political one. How much does Joe Biden go down in the polls if the content of the laptop is known? How much does Joe Biden go down if it is known that he is lying? My bet is 10 to 20% and Trump wins in a landslide, but I am not whining. I am glad what happened happened. When the deep state got away with rigging an election, they got even bolder so much so that they could no longer be ignored.
What we Republicans cannot do is repeat the Hiliary Clinton thing and say this is water under the bridge and let it go. You have to condemn, discipline, fire, and potentially jail the people involved in this. This has to be about rigging an election, not anger that your side lost.
And what Trump indicated in his Joe Rogan interview was this is just the tip of the iceberg. My dream is in 2028 we actually have an election that the FBI and the deep state do not try to rig.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961406]On May 24,2000, Bill Clinton clinched what many believed would be the last great legislative victory of his presidency. That afternoon, the House of Representatives voted to award China permanent normal trade relations, effectively backing Beijing's long-in-the-making bid to join the World Trade Organization. The historic deal had been Clinton's top priority in the waning days of his last terma move he hoped would improve relations with the world's most populous nation, while cementing his own legacy of using free trade to advance America's foreign policy interests. It had been opposed by labor unions wary of competition from poorly paid foreign workers and championed by corporations salivating over 1. 3 billion potential Chinese customers (the business lobby had spent millions on TV ads supporting the pact). In the end, after much wrangling, 73 Democrats joined 164 Republicans to pass the agreement, which was expected to glide through the Senate.
"This is a good day for America," Clinton said afterward. "In 10 years from now we will look back on this day and be glad we did this. We will see that we have given ourselves a chance to build the kind of future we want. ".
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Things have not worked out quite as the 42nd president hoped. Normalizing trade with China set our rival on a path to becoming the industrial powerhouse the world knows today, decimating American factory towns in the process and upending old assumptions about how trade effects the economy. Thanks to a growing body of academic research, we're only just now beginning to understand the extent of the economic fallout, as well as the degree to which it has helped poison our politics. If you want to understand why Donald Trump's furious message about trade resonates with so much of the public, and has helped him come within striking distance of defeating Hillary Clinton and taking the White House, you have to start with another Clinton's choice at the end of his term.
Clinton's reasons for embracing trade with China had as much to do with geopolitics as economics. By the late 1990's, the People's Republic was a fast-growing but relatively cloistered economy dominated by a government whose human rights record could be summed up with the words Tiananmen Square. But after years of false starts, its leadership had become determined to join the WTO, the club of nations that sets the ground rules for international trade. This was no small commitmentgaining membership would require China to strike individual deals with the group's 135 members to ease tariffs and open itself to foreign companies. In part, that meant giving its own citizens more leeway to run businesses.
Embracing those sorts of economic liberties, Clinton argued, might one day lead the Communist Party to allow more political liberties as well. "By joining the WTO, China is not simply agreeing to import more of our products; it is agreeing to import one of democracy's most cherished values: economic freedom," the president said in a March 2000 speech.
Former Ambassador Charlene Barshefsky, who served as the USA Trade representative under Clinton and helped negotiate China's deal with the USA, explained to me that given China's size, its involvement on the world stage was "an almost foregone conclusion. " With that in mind, what mattered was how it would happen: "Would it go in a direction antithetical to Western norms? Or could it be encouraged to go in a direction that was compatible to Western norms?
In 1999, the White House hashed out its agreement with Beijing. China would drop tariffs and other trade barriers tripping up USA Farmers and companies. In return, the USA Would support China's WTO application, phase out some quotas that limited Chinese textile imports, and (most importantly) give it permanent most favored nation trade status. What, exactly did that mean? China had enjoyed the same low tariffs on its exports to the USA As most other countries since 1979. But, under an old Cold Warera law, the president and Congress were essentially required to renew those trade rights each year, a bit of political theater that often involved airing all sorts of grievances about China's rights record. (They were nevertheless renewed each time, without fail.) Making trade relations permanent eliminated that thorny annual ritualin short, it would take Beijing off probation.
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Most experts did not see this as a particularly large concession, since nothing, as far as they could tell, would fundamentally change about the USA And China's trade relationship. Paul Krugman, who was pro-normalization, and would go on to win a Nobel Prize in economics for his work on trade, spoke for many when he called it "an issue whose symbolic importance is much larger than its direct economic implications. " Clinton, for his part, argued the USA Was essentially getting something for nothing. "Economically, this agreement is the equivalent of a one-way street," he said in March 2000. "It requires China to open its marketswith a fifth of the world's population, potentially the biggest markets in the worldto both our products and services in unprecedented new ways. All we do is to agree to maintain the present access which China enjoys. ".
Supporters of the deal didn't just tout its benefits for Americans. They also argued that voting against it would handicap USA Businesses in the future. China technically only needed support from two-thirds of the WTO's members, even if it was expected to strike bargains with all of them, so it would join the group regardless of Washington's qualms. And if Congress refused to grant China trade permanent status, Beijing would be allowed to continue shutting out American companies even as it opened its market to their foreign competition. "If Congress votes yes, the United States will benefit. If it votes no, only its economic competitors will benefit," wrote the Washington Post's editorial board, in support of normalization.
It's striking, in retrospect, just how small supporters of normalization seemed to think the economic stakes of the deal really were. The USA International Trade Commission, for instance, produced an analysis suggesting that if Beijing joined the WTO, the USA Economy would grow by just $1. 7 billion. Gary Hufbauer and Daniel Rosen of the Peterson Institute for International Economics suggested that, with permanent normal trade relations, USA Exports to China would enjoy a one-time jump of $5. 4 billion. Without it? They'the pop up $2. 4 billion. The difference to the USA Economy would be like an extra rock or two tossed into Lake Michigan.
Labor unions and their allies thought otherwise. Already angry over the North American Free Trade Agreement, which had drawn some manufacturing production into Mexico, they argued that a deal with China would send more factory work overseas. Some of their predictions seemed apocalyptic. The Economic Policy Institute's Robert Scott suggested that our roughly $70 billion deficit with China might double or more in 10 years, costing the USA Some 817,000 jobs. (Hufbauer and Rosen called those calculations "an absurd extrapolation. ".
In hindsight, the fears weren't absurd at all. In the months immediately after Congress voted to normalize trade with China, dozens of USA Corporations announced that they were moving manufacturing overseas. And once China officially joined in the WTO in 2001, the country rapidly began transforming into an export behemoth as foreign investment and factory work flooded into the countryits surplus with United States alone rose from $83 billion in 2001 to more than $295 billion in 2011. During the same 10-year period, USA Manufacturing employment, which had stayed essentially steady in the years after NAFTA, declined from about 17.1 million to 11.8 million. Manufacturing had been withering as a share of America's labor market for many, many years. But the shockingly fast collapse of the early 2000's simply convulsed blue-collar communities.
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Were all 5 million of those job losses due to trade with China? Not at allmany likely disappeared as machines replaced human labor in factories. Did American manufacturing vanish altogether? Nopeoutput actually reached all-time highs before the Great Recession. But starting in 2013, economists David Autor, David Dorn, and Gordon Hanson, along with other collaborators, began publishing a series of papers showing that manufacturing employment had declined significantly more in parts of the United States where local businesses faced stiff competition from Chinese imports, compared with places where industry was less exposed. Between 1999 and 2011, the authors estimated, about 985,000 American manufacturing jobs were wiped away by China's export boom. Adding in the restaurants, movie theaters, and other businesses that wilted as plants shuttered, the researchers estimated that the "China shock," as they dubbed it, cost the USA Some 2 million to 2. 4 million jobsspread from the Rust Belt to the South to the far corners of New England.
Much of this flew in the face of conventional economics. The textbook line on free trade was that while it created winners and losers, the effects were supposed to show up in people's paychecks, not in raw jobs numbers. For a country like the USA, trading with a country like China or Mexico should push down wages a bit for less educated workers as factory work moved away, and increase wages for more educated workers, whose salaries would stretch a little further thanks to inexpensive cars, TVs, and T-shirts. People who lost work, it was assumed, would generally adjust by movingeither into a new industry, or a new town with better prospects.
How had the economists, and the administration, gotten it so wrong? The most popular answer among politicians is currency manipulation. China pegged the yuan to the dollar after massively devaluing it in the mid-1990's, then didn't let it begin to rise in value until after 2005, once its boom had taken off. Keeping the redback cheap simultaneously boosted Chinese exports, by making them more affordable to buyers abroad, and discouraged imports, by making them more expensive to Chinese consumers.
But most economists think currency manipulation is, at best, only a partial explanation for China's export explosion. Another answer is that joining the WTO forced the country to reform its economic rules in ways that made its manufacturing sector exponentially more competitive, which quickly unleashed the power of its massive, low-wage labor force. As Autor, Hanson, and Dorn have noted, Beijing shut down turgid state-owned manufacturers, allowing private businesses to take their place. It permitted companies to start exporting directly instead of working through state-owned intermediariesaccording to one study, that change alone might have made a 30 percent difference in its exports. By lowering tariffs, the government also made it easier for companies to import the materials they needed to manufacture their goods. In other words, China had more room to grow than anybody imagined, because of how stunted its economy had started out.
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"I don't think people were stupid. I was one of those people," Hanson told me, when I asked why he thought so many economists had underestimated China. "We didn't realize how distorted China's economy was. ".
Clinton's decision to normalize trade relations and welcome China into the WTO may have been like a key in the ignition, encouraging Beijing to become more competitive. But researchers are starting to think it had an important psychological effect on American business executives, too. Justin Pierce of the Federal Reserve Board and Peter Schott at Yale suggest that granting Beijing permanent trade status gave companies the confidence that they could send production offshore, or just start buying goods from Chinese suppliers, without having to worry that Washington might one day impose large tariffs. In other words, it instantly made moving your TV plant to Shenzhen less of a risky bet. In support of this argument, they show that after 2000, American employment generally dropped fastest in the manufacturing industries where tariffs on Chinese goods would have shot up the most had Congress suddenly revoked the country's trading rights. The more the threat of tariffs faded, the more jobs disappeared.
And it turns out that people and communities don't instantly adjust when their livelihoods are upended, the way they do in textbooks. Autor, Dorn, Hanson, et al. Found that, when factory jobs disappeared, nothing showed up to replace them. Rather than moving to places with more opportunities, workers tended to stick around their hollowed-out hometownsafter all, uprooting your life for the sake of work isn't that easy for people without much in the way of resources.
It's hard to say exactly what the USA Should have done differently. What would have happened if Congress had rebuffed Clinton and refused to normalize relations? Maybe Beijing's leaders would have soldiered on and joined the WTO anyway, as many predicted. Or maybe injured national pride would have empowered China's own anti-globalization hard-liners and kept it from acceding or embracing market reforms as ardently as they didin which case, there's a chance hundreds of millions of Chinese workers would be poorer today, because their country still hadn't opened up to the world. It's also possible that the USA Trade deficit would have grown even if China hadn't turned into such a manufacturing force, in part because the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency keeps its value high, and because, as a nation, we don't save a lot (which the rules of economics say should lead to a trade deficit). If China had never risen, maybe we'the be angrier today about factories fleeing to Mexico or Vietnam.
It's also possible that most Americans have benefited from Chinese trade in the end, thanks to lower consumer prices. Would you even have an iPhone right now without China's low-cost supply chain? Unfortunately, people feel such benefits less acutely than the very concentrated losses in communities where the local economy has been shredded by trade.
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The deep pain those cities and towns have experienced is one of the powerful forces that have transformed American politics into a form of tribal warfare over the past decade. Exhibit A is, of course, Donald Trump. It's a mistake to try to pin the Republican nominee's rise on any single factor, whether xenophobia, racism, or economic anxiety. But it's no accident that a candidate who barks about the evils of trade and the need to get tough on China has won the adoration of white working-class men who have watched their hometowns bleed jobs thanks, at least in part, to globalization. Earlier this year, the Wall Street Journal found that during the Republican primary, Trump won 89 of the 100 counties that were most exposed to trade with China.
But the political impact of Chinese imports has been wider than just Trump. Academic researchers have found that districts that lose jobs due to trade are more likely to turn against incumbents. Between 2002 and 2010, districts that faced Chinese import competition became far less likely to elect moderate Democrats and far more likely to elect extremely conservative Republicans, including Tea Party members.
Whether or not embracing trade with China was the correct economic decision for the wider country, the people in power simply weren't prepared to help the communities that would suffer the bargain. Their best guesses about the economic impact of normalization bore little relation to what was in store, and little was done for those who got the short end of the bargain, even after it became clear that all was not proceeding as Clinton had hoped. It's become fashionable to say that America needs to do a better job assisting globalization's losers so we can all enjoy its benefits. We don't know how to do that yet, and for a lot of Americans it's too late. Many of them are placing their hopes in Donald Trumpand even if he loses, the rage and disappointment he's capitalized on will remain.[/QUOTE]Oh, so that was the Repub Congress that did that in 2000. And then the Repub so-called potus that officially signed off on it in 2001.
Late 2001.
The last month of 2001.
BTW, that was a culmination of interests and efforts by at least 5 Presidents; 3 Repubs and 2 Dems, then finalized by a Repub.
And, yes, it was better for the USA Economy than the alternative.
But it is highly debatable whether or not the horrific economic downturns ushered in by those 3 Repub presidents offset enough value and benefit to China entering the WTO for Americans to fully feel those benefits.
As usual, you are demonizing the wrong people for your economic grievances. Or racial grievances. Or whatever grievances you and the MAGAs are wallowing in.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961487]Hunter Biden is a red herring. The evil doers are the FBI, intelligence experts who lied their asses off to rig an election and Anthony Blinken who organized the conspiracy. There was also the media that buried its head in the sand once the laptop was known to be real.
Think about what you just wrote, Tiny. You are a smart guy. You go for the facts. Why are you suspecting versus knowing? Why am I directing you to the content of the laptop versus the media? The basis of any con is telling the mark what he wants to hear. And when you used the words, I suspect you admitted to not knowing. You believed what was pleasant. The 2020 election was the fairest in history. That is not what is. That is what you want. You do not want to believe the election was rigged by all these current and past government officials.
In 2000, GW Bush was up in the polls and it was leaked that he had a DWI. That shifted the polls by 2 or 3% and GW Bush almost lost because of that story. That DWI was the breaking point for 2 to 3% of the population because for them Bush's personal morality was in question. What was on that laptop is a 1,000 X worse than a DWI. Joe Biden had a son engaging in these disgusting behaviors and Joe Biden claimed the laptop and son's behaviors were false and that his son did nothing wrong and he was proud of his son.
Forget about the legal issues and look at the political one. How much does Joe Biden go down in the polls if the content of the laptop is known? How much does Joe Biden go down if it is known that he is lying? My bet is 10 to 20% and Trump wins in a landslide, but I am not whining. I am glad what happened happened. When the deep state got away with rigging an election, they got even bolder so much so that they could no longer be ignored.
What we Republicans cannot do is repeat the Hiliary Clinton thing and say this is water under the bridge and let it go. You have to condemn, discipline, fire, and potentially jail the people involved in this. This has to be about rigging an election, not anger that your side lost.
And what Trump indicated in his Joe Rogan interview was this is just the tip of the iceberg. My dream is in 2028 we actually have an election that the FBI and the deep state do not try to rig.[/QUOTE]People vote with their pocketbooks Elvis. Yeah, when Trump left office, except for deficits and debt our economy was probably better than any developed country's. GDP was roughly what it was before COVID hit. Real median weekly wages were up. The unemployment rate was 6. 4%, incredible considering it was as high as 15% the previous year.
But think back to October and early November, 2020, when people were voting. In the past few months many had been through hell. Your situation, where you were sailing through airports and banging Colombian sugarbabies for chump change, was unique. Trump had the misfortune, through no fault of his own, of governing during the worst pandemic since 1918 and the biggest decline in GDP since the Great Depression, both just months before the election. The stars weren't aligned for him.
We already knew a lot of dirt about Hunter, independent from his laptop. His moral turpitude was common knowledge. I believe we already knew he was selling access to his father, and his father had taken him along on the Vice Presidential jet to China so he could pursue business interests. I don't think the content of his laptop would have made a difference in the election.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961487]Hunter Biden is a red herring. The evil doers are the FBI, intelligence experts who lied their asses off to rig an election and Anthony Blinken who organized the conspiracy. There was also the media that buried its head in the sand once the laptop was known to be real.
Think about what you just wrote, Tiny. You are a smart guy. You go for the facts. Why are you suspecting versus knowing? Why am I directing you to the content of the laptop versus the media? The basis of any con is telling the mark what he wants to hear. And when you used the words, I suspect you admitted to not knowing. You believed what was pleasant. The 2020 election was the fairest in history. That is not what is. That is what you want. You do not want to believe the election was rigged by all these current and past government officials.
In 2000, GW Bush was up in the polls and it was leaked that he had a DWI. That shifted the polls by 2 or 3% and GW Bush almost lost because of that story. That DWI was the breaking point for 2 to 3% of the population because for them Bush's personal morality was in question. What was on that laptop is a 1,000 X worse than a DWI. Joe Biden had a son engaging in these disgusting behaviors and Joe Biden claimed the laptop and son's behaviors were false and that his son did nothing wrong and he was proud of his son.
Forget about the legal issues and look at the political one. How much does Joe Biden go down in the polls if the content of the laptop is known? How much does Joe Biden go down if it is known that he is lying? My bet is 10 to 20% and Trump wins in a landslide, but I am not whining. I am glad what happened happened. When the deep state got away with rigging an election, they got even bolder so much so that they could no longer be ignored.
What we Republicans cannot do is repeat the Hiliary Clinton thing and say this is water under the bridge and let it go. You have to condemn, discipline, fire, and potentially jail the people involved in this. This has to be about rigging an election, not anger that your side lost.
And what Trump indicated in his Joe Rogan interview was this is just the tip of the iceberg. My dream is in 2028 we actually have an election that the FBI and the deep state do not try to rig.[/QUOTE]I can't wait for the "Democrats are sore losers. You lost! Get over it already" corner of this choir to chime in and give you such a tongue-lashing over all these many, many posts for the last 4 years right up to today!
I know it's coming.
Any minute now.
Soon.
I'm sure of it.
Swear to god.
No. Really. It's coming.
Really.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961436]
And he is getting the money selling dad's influence. You think Americans seeing Hunter Biden's $20,000 monthly porn bills would not have affected some voters? You think this photo is not going to cost Biden votes? [URL]https://bidenreport.com/[/URL]#p=269 (You may have to go to the Biden report site and put in 269 in the page number. There are dozens of disgusting Hunter photos.).[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO! WTF! Ok, maybe you're right. They say you can tell the character of a person by the character of his offspring and how well he raised them. And on that score Joe fucked up pretty badly.
But then on the other hand I guess Joe can take part of the credit for Hunter's creativity. Hunters a great artist, who sells paintings for hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democratic Party donors! And how about coming up with tax deductions for payment of his daughter's tuition, house rentals for his girlfriend and daughter, hookers, drugs, and luxury clothing. The fucker came up with $4.9 million in bogus tax deductions! And even then he didn't file tax returns for several years!
https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-hookers-payments-tax-evasion-1850678
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[QUOTE=Xpartan;2961440]To me, the only silver lining of this election is that Israel will be safer with Trump than it would be with Harris. And not because Trump loves Jews (that's laughable), but because he knows he can't afford to anger evangelicals, at least for now.
As for the so-called Muslim leaders, well, good job! Why not cut off your nose to spite the face?
Respect![/QUOTE]Rabid Jew haters for Harris have to wait until 2028 to try to get their anti Israel hopes up again.
Shapiro forget it Fetterman LOL not a chance, I think he's a closeted Jew.
Pritzker lolol not in this lifetime.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961505]People vote with their pocketbooks Elvis. Yeah, when Trump left office, except for deficits and debt our economy was probably better than any developed country's. GDP was roughly what it was before COVID hit. Real median weekly wages were up. The unemployment rate was 6. 4%, incredible considering it was as high as 15% the previous year.
But think back to October and early November, 2020, when people were voting. In the past few months many had been through hell. Your situation, where you were sailing through airports and banging Colombian sugarbabies for chump change, was unique. Trump had the misfortune, through no fault of his own, of governing during the worst pandemic since 1918 and the biggest decline in GDP since the Great Depression, both just months before the election. The stars weren't aligned for him.
We already knew a lot of dirt about Hunter, independent from his laptop. His moral turpitude was common knowledge. I believe we already knew he was selling access to his father, and his father had taken him along on the Vice Presidential jet to China so he could pursue business interests. I don't think the content of his laptop would have made a difference in the election.[/QUOTE][URL]https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1432[/URL]
Considering the proliferation of financial and economic media, even Winger-owned media, armed with all available data, evidence, facts, figures, charts and graphs to publish and post glowing assessments of how lucky, lucky, lucky the incoming president was to inherit such fanfuckingtastic economic conditions at the end of the Clinton-Gore, Obama-Biden and Biden-Harris presidencies vs the deeply troubling, unprecedentedly challenging or outright horrific economic conditions being handed the unfortunate incoming team at the end of the Reagan-Bush / Bush-Quayle, Bush-Cheney and Trump-Pence so-called presidencies, I sure as hell WISH the Dems had a lock on rigging elections!
Sadly, only Reagan-Bush pulled an October Surprise, only Bush-Cheney pulled a Brother Jeb Florida steal, only Trump-Pence pulled 34 Felony Convictions for business fraud in a conspiracy to steal the 2016 election and only that same administration declared bloody War Against America on American Soil to overthrow a free and fair election and came damn close to accomplishing it.
Obviously, the exact polar opposite wrong side of this thing is rigging, stealing and killing cops to "win" elections in the USA.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961436]No, polls have shown that is not true.
Keep in mind what Joe Biden said about Hunter. He was proud of his son and that his son had done nothing wrong. Joe Biden himself said in the debate with Trump the laptop was fake. So the Democratic douche notion that Hunter Biden's laptop did not smear Joe Biden is bullshit.
As for what was on the laptop, well what do you imagine was on it that would have thrown the election to Trump and was worth conspiring over? Hunter having sex with hookers and underage women? Check. Using crack cocaine? Check. Outlining the Biden bribe machine? Check. Taking millions from the Chinese? Check. The contents are all on line now.
And he is getting the money selling dad's influence. You think Americans seeing Hunter Biden's $20,000 monthly porn bills would not have affected some voters? You think this photo is not going to cost Biden votes? [URL]https://bidenreport.com/[/URL]#p=269 (You may have to go to the Biden report site and put in 269 in the page number. There are dozens of disgusting Hunter photos.).
Give me a fucking break man. That laptop shows beyond a shadow of a doubt what sleaze the Biden family is.
There is no President Biden if the public knew about what was in the content of that laptop. That is why the FBI, intelligence experts, and press tried so damned hard, successfully I might add, to suppress its content.
This is definitive proof the 2020 election was rigged.
Go to [URL]bidenreport.com[/URL]. If you want to see how bad all of it really was.[/QUOTE]I'm predicting the Big Guy / Scumbag Joe will pardon the Whole Scumbag Biden family including Dr Jill LMAO.
By Thanksgiving lololol but no later than Christmas, as gifts to them all, since the he will be low on cash, as he just picked up his last money ball today!!
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/16/world/americas/biden-xi-meeting.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/09/hunter-biden-jill-biden-is-selfish-silly-entitled-cnt/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/wearebreitbart/p/CfzffrSp5Mx/?hl=en[/URL]
The whole lot belong in Florence the Clintons the Obamas the Bidens the Bushs, ID say dig up Ronnie the Retard and throw him in there with them too.
TREASONOUS bastards the whole lot.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Haven't you been in on this [I]Trump Pump[/I] on Crypto since November 5th? If so, then I don't understand why I need to prove that USD is flowing into crypto.[/QUOTE]Yes!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Are you in on it only with baht you earned in Thailand?[/QUOTE]No!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Biden's Worldwide Economic Rescue and Recovery Money is flowing into crypto.[/QUOTE]No!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Even yours or so I thought.[/QUOTE]No!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]So why would anyone need to prove some of it is flowing from the USA too?[/QUOTE]Only if you want to be seen as credible by backing up a claim you have made.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]If no USD is flowing into crypto at this time and no USA citizens are buying it, why in the world would Harris have needed to say anything about it during the campaign?[/QUOTE]She did say something about it during the campaign? If so what did she say? She was invited to attend the Bitcoin conference. She declined. That told me all I need to know about her stance as a candidate for the Presidency of the United Stares of America.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Fine. Educate me on it. Are Americans forbidden to purchase crypto?[/QUOTE]No!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Or are their purchases at such low levels one needs to uncover hidden evidence of it somewhere?[/QUOTE]I don't know. Not making claims about money flows. I have presented evidence in several forms that the majority of the money flow are from institutions.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Really. Why are you demanding I prove some of the worldwide money flowing into crypto comes from the USA and the fact that I have not produced a link to USA bank transfers means it isn't happening?[/QUOTE]You don't have to do anything I ask of you. But without proof it is just your opinion and I am allowed to disagree with that. You cannot just keep repeating it to me like you are giving lessons to a child EihTooms. It is disrespectful!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Sorry, but I do think that is a strange point of contention and there is nothing personal about it.[/QUOTE]It is very personal to you. I get that. Because your candidate of preference lost. Figure out why! Then get back to me. If the crypto vote does not matter. Continue to ignore it.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Kamala Harris won practically all of the Democratic Party Delegates votes to become its Party's candidate. That does not violate any legal, legitimate or long term democratic norm.[/QUOTE]Does not change my mind. In my opinion (please note those three words) the Democratic Candidate for president was illegitimate.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]By contrast, Trump is trying to manipulate and destroy the long term separation of powers' Advise and Consent norm by appointing his weird and unfit Cabinet Chairs and probably most other appointments over the next 4 years without a single Senate hearing or vote required.[/QUOTE]Nothing illegal about that if Congress allows it to happen.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961477]Do you have any problem with that?[/QUOTE]No!
Do you live in the United States of America or even understand how the constitutional government of the United Staes of America even works? Because if you did you would know the Senate is not giving up their power to another branch of government. Your logic about the increase in crypto money fails on one simple point, if is money Biden gave to citizens of the United States of America, why didn't the crypto market up up BEFORE the election results are announced?
Democrats ignored the crypto vote. But it does not matter. Because the crypto vote does not matter. See you at the midterms.
Are you Overjoyed that We Shall Never have to Hear from Cackling Kamala Jones Ever Again? Also Uncle Obama's Deep State Shadow government Shall Be Destroyed?
[QUOTE=TheCane;2961464]I mean WTF did these dumb fucks expect? Chump is somebody who didn't even want to admit Muslims into this country! Even if they had valid visas! Then he turned around and moved the USA embassy to Jerusalem! Just what did they believe he was going to do for them? Talk about voting against your own interests! Same for women. It's just ignorant![/QUOTE]Yes, I m amazed women, Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, voting for Trump when he hate them. So many millions of US are so low level brained.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961516][URL]https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1432[/URL][/QUOTE]OK, got it. Joe Biden lied about the laptop, Biden operatives hoodwinked ex intelligence officials into supporting the lie, and the FBI didn't inform the public of the truth. The main stream media fell in line and social media like Facebook censored any posts reflective of the New York Post's reporting. That's just business as usual in Washington, D. C. The memo from the confidential FBI informant that was released by Republican Senator Chuck Grassley was a hell of a lot more damning than Hunter's Laptop, and that wouldn't have made a difference in the election either. It was all about the economy and fallout from the pandemic, and Trump was dealt a bad hand. If Hillary Clinton had been running as the incumbent in 2020, my guess is that she would have lost by more than Trump.
There are some parallels with Democrats' argument that James Comey cheated Hillary in 2016 and she would have won the presidency if not for that. Admittedly the Democrats have a weaker argument.
And before Tooms and Spidy jump down my throat, the confidential FBI informant was probably lying. Grassley agrees.
Grassley's release: [url]https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-obtains-and-releases-fbi-record-alleging-vp-biden-foreign-bribery-scheme[/url]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961507]...Democrats are sore losers. You lost! Get over it already"... [/QUOTE]Finally! The truth! That makes so much more sense than your arguments about Republican presidents and the economy.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2961531]Yes!
No!
No!
No!
Only if you want to be seen as credible by backing up a claim you have made.
She did say something about it during the campaign? If so what did she say? She was invited to attend the Bitcoin conference. She declined. That told me all I need to know about her stance as a candidate for the Presidency of the United Stares of America.
No!
I don't know. Not making claims about money flows. I have presented evidence in several forms that the majority of the money flow are from institutions.
You don't have to do anything I ask of you. But without proof it is just your opinion and I am allowed to disagree with that. You cannot just keep repeating it to me like you are giving lessons to a child EihTooms. It is disrespectful!
It is very personal to you. I get that. Because your candidate of preference lost. Figure out why! Then get back to me. If the crypto vote does not matter. Continue to ignore it..[/QUOTE]When there is no serious Party challenge for the potus nomination and the majority of the Party's delegates vote for one person, that person's candidacy within that Party is legal, legitimate and perfectly in keeping with democracy. In fact, that is the way it has typically been done throughout history when the Vice President of the current administration is the likely nominee. As was the case with Kamala Harris.
Now, I am not patronizing you, talking to you like a child or disrespecting you by pointing that out. You literally said you thought doing it that way made her and presumably every other VP candidate for the Party nomination of the outgoing administration "illegitimate" and I honestly don't know any other way to state how blatantly inaccurate that is.
On the other hand, wholesale appointments for Cabinet positions, judges, etc by a potus during Congressional recesses so as to avoid ANY hearings, advising OR consenting by the Senate is not typical in modern times or ever. And a potus proposing that is what he wants and intends to do while expecting his ass-licking, democracy-hating fellow Party Senators to go along with it in order to prevent the American people from knowing just how Loony and unfit those nominations are, while not illegal, has never been done. Ever.
Talk about being disrespectful. No so-called potus has ever suggested something so disrespectful to Congress and the American people with regard to who will be carrying out that so-called potus' economic, national security policies and stewardship.
Yep, once again we touch on how central and key to economic and national security results IS the President of the United States since it falls on him to nominate his choices for leadership and purpose for virtually every ignificant element of American society.
But I digress.
My position has never been that crypto speculation is being done with money "Biden gave" anyone.
Money people earned because Biden spearheaded the earliest and strongest economic stimulus to revive and resuscitate global supply-chains and get worldwide economies moving again, creating jobs and paying people for the work they do has been going into the USA Stock Market and crypto quite regularly during the past 2-3 years. It has been going into recovered businesses and services that in turn get stock bumps thanks to their profit reports.
The USA Stock Market hit dozens of all-time closing highs under Biden prior to the election. There is always a lull and often even a slight pullback before any potential market-related "event" and then a relief rally after it has happened and nervous Nellie Stock Market investors realize the world did not come to an end due to that "event" after all.
The "event" can be something as simple as the monthly jobs report, the release of the Fed Meeting minutes, a Fed rate announcement or an election.
People all around the world who are into crypto as much or more than you are probably reading something good because of Trump's win. They are just guessing though, right? I mean, he hasn't passed any pro crypto legislation yet. Will he? Probably not, but nobody knows. I understand some feel his SEC Chair will be good for crypto. But what if he is not? What if he is worse for crypto than the guy he replaced?
Interesting that the USA Stock Market post-election relief rally lasted about 3 days. Not a very promising response, really. As of right now, Trump's 1st full week as President-elect for a second glorious term was a down week in the USA Stock Market.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2961553]Yes, I m amazed women, Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, voting for Trump when he hate them. So many millions of US are so low level brained.[/QUOTE]Regardless whatever is floating around in his lizard brain skull with regard to "love" or "hate", the irrefutable fact is Trump did virtually zero that benefitted those groups or anyone else in America.
The first couple of years was him coasting on the Obama-Biden economy he inherited. The increase in wages during his term was all due to primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising wages in 2018 and 2019. No meaningful business expansion or jobs creation came about from his $2. 5+ Trillion TCJA addition to the deficit in those first three years. He kept our military actively involved in a full combat War in Afghanistan for the entirety of his term, every day of it.
But he did find a way to fulfill his traditional historic Repub Party Potus Duty to wipe out millions upon millions of jobs before he was booted out. And with the added and probably new Repub Party Potus Duty bonus of mass murdering at least a million Americans. Mostly older ones last time. Look for him and his Secretary of Health and Human Brain-Eating Worms to set new records on mass murdering American infants in his 2nd term.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961655]OK, got it. Joe Biden lied about the laptop, Biden operatives hoodwinked ex intelligence officials into supporting the lie, and the FBI didn't inform the public of the truth. The main stream media fell in line and social media like Facebook censored any posts reflective of the New York Post's reporting. That's just business as usual in Washington, D. C. The memo from the confidential FBI informant that was released by Republican Senator Chuck Grassley was a hell of a lot more damning than Hunter's Laptop, and that wouldn't have made a difference in the election either. It was all about the economy and fallout from the pandemic, and Trump was dealt a bad hand. If Hillary Clinton had been running as the incumbent in 2020, my guess is that she would have lost by more than Trump.
There are some parallels with Democrats' argument that James Comey cheated Hillary in 2016 and she would have won the presidency if not for that. Admittedly the Democrats have a weaker argument.
And before Tooms and Spidy jump down my throat, the confidential FBI informant was probably lying. Grassley agrees.
Grassley's release: [url]https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-obtains-and-releases-fbi-record-alleging-vp-biden-foreign-bribery-scheme[/url][/QUOTE]You like to speak for all people and say people vote their pocketbooks, some do, many don't!!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961503]Oh, so that was the Repub Congress that did that in 2000. And then the Repub so-called potus that officially signed off on it in 2001.
Late 2001.
The last month of 2001.
BTW, that was a culmination of interests and efforts by at least 5 Presidents; 3 Repubs and 2 Dems, then finalized by a Repub.
And, yes, it was better for the USA Economy than the alternative.
But it is highly debatable whether or not the horrific economic downturns ushered in by those 3 Repub presidents offset enough value and benefit to China entering the WTO for Americans to fully feel those benefits.
As usual, you are demonizing the wrong people for your economic grievances. Or racial grievances. Or whatever grievances you and the MAGAs are wallowing in.[/QUOTE]"As usual, you are demonizing the wrong people for your economic grievances. Or racial grievances. Or whatever grievances you and the MAGAs are wallowing in".
This sounds like something they pay their online trolls to write all over the internet.
Lets not forget all the IP theft of tens of trillions of USD.
If that isn't an act or war alone I don't know what is.
A congressional estimate in the USA Placed the cost of Chinese intellectual property theft at 225600 billion dollars yearly. According to a CNBC survey, 1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen intellectual property within the previous year.
Say 5 trillion USD every 10 yrs.
[URL]https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Egregious-Cases-of-Chinese-Theft-of-American-Intellectual-Property.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how-chinas-political-system-discourages-innovation-and-encourages-ip-theft/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/five-eyes-intelligence-chiefs-warn-chinas-theft-intellectual-property-2023-10-18/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinas-technology-theft-major-threat-fbi-head-warns-60-minutes/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/china-intellectual-property-theft-fbi-linda-sun-hochul-infiltration-1950686[/URL]
I understand why you haven't been back to California or the USA in well over a decade, you hate all of us so much.
And I wouldn't be surprised if you were involved with IP theft for the CCP and there's a warrant for you, and the only way you will be returning is in handcuffs.
There is a file ISG won't upload, Google.
FBI. Gov.
Executive summary China: the risk to corporate America.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961683]Regardless whatever is floating around in his lizard brain skull with regard to "love" or "hate", the irrefutable fact is Trump did virtually zero that benefitted those groups or anyone else in America.
The first couple of years was him coasting on the Obama-Biden economy he inherited. The increase in wages during his term was all due to primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising wages in 2018 and 2019. No meaningful business expansion or jobs creation came about from his $2. 5+ Trillion TCJA addition to the deficit in those first three years. He kept our military actively involved in a full combat War in Afghanistan for the entirety of his term, every day of it.
But he did find a way to fulfill his traditional historic Repub Party Potus Duty to wipe out millions upon millions of jobs before he was booted out. And with the added and probably new Repub Party Potus Duty bonus of mass murdering at least a million Americans. Mostly older ones last time. Look for him and his Secretary of Health and Human Brain-Eating Worms to set new records on mass murdering American infants in his 2nd term.[/QUOTE]"Mass murdering American infants in his 2nd term" WTF? Butchering babies is the full time hobby for fun of Democrats.
Since Roe v. Wade in 1973, more than 63 million abortions have occurred in the United States. In 2023, the first full year after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, there were over one million legal abortions performed in the USA:
This was the highest number of abortions in over a decade.
It was an 11% increase from 2020.
It was the first time there were over a million abortions in the USA Formal health care system since 2012.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961655]OK, got it. Joe Biden lied about the laptop, Biden operatives hoodwinked ex intelligence officials into supporting the lie, and the FBI didn't inform the public of the truth. The main stream media fell in line and social media like Facebook censored any posts reflective of the New York Post's reporting.[/QUOTE]You caught the gist of it.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961655]That's just business as usual in Washington, D. C.[/QUOTE]That is irrelevant. What got this started is your saying the 2020 election was not rigged. I said it was. Now you are saying this kind of rigging goes on all the time. You keep coming up with reasons to blow off rigging an election and are not that only one. That natural tendency to let bygones be bygones IMO is not going to happen this time. We did that with Hiliary, and the Dems and intelligence agencies and FBI got worse and worse after that.
So Tiny, follow me for a second. You have a son fucking hookers, doing cocaine like crazy, and spending six figures a year on porn sites, and you have the FBI that can follow him around and know what he is doing. So it is obvious Joe Biden knew all that Hunter was doing, and he did not stop him because Hunter was funneling money to Joe. I am not going to play the criminal card here and prove that beyond a doubt. It is just obvious. Anybody who thinks Joe Biden has no hand in Hunter Biden's sins is a fucking moron.
So when it comes to the Attorney General, I want a guy who has been beaten up by law enforcement. He is the only one who will have the balls to carry out the reforms. The charges made against Gaetz pail in comparison to a corrupt FBI. We Republicans cannot risk having such corrupt Democrats, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies.
It is my opinion, and feel free to disagree with it, that Trump is not going to back down on Gaetz being Attorney General.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961515]I'm reading a lot of not so thinly veiled Anti Semitic racist hatred from you Dems[/QUOTE]Yes, and I'll do you one better: some of that racist hatred ain't thin at all.
That being said, antisemitim doesn't dwell on the left only. The Far Right are every bit as viciously anti-Semitic as their sworn enemies, which this forum has demonstrated in all its splendor.
That's one of the reasons why I've always expressed my disgust for everything that begins with "far" -- be it Far Right or Far Left. Your kind and theirs are scourge upon humanity.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2961538]Are you Overjoyed that We Shall Never have to Hear from Cackling Kamala Jones Ever Again? Also Uncle Obama's Deep State Shadow government Shall Be Destroyed?[/QUOTE]Yes, but the real enemy of the Republican Party and America is not the Democrats but the deep state controlling them in the background. To me, the big issue is one we see here on these forums when mongers like to call themselves law abiding citizens when they are breaking the law left and right. You may or may not have been caught, and that is what mongers should focus on. If law enforcement has no restrictions holding them back, and right now, they have none, then law enforcement is effectively a dictatorship and can arrest you anytime they feel like it. And that dictatorship tried to keep Trump out as president. We need to disregards their labels on people and assess people for ourselves as we did with Trump.
What I hope is Republicans look at those arrested and why and ask how and why they were arrested rather than patting themselves on the back for being law abiding. Was the purpose of the arrest to help the public or to help law enforcement? I wish mongers would look at those arrested who were not hurting anyone and say, "This could be me" versus "I was not arrested because unlike you, I am not doing anything wrong".
Trump voters saw what Trump was convicted of, looked at law enforcement and the Democrats, and said, whatever Trump did, what you guys did was way worse, and we have to continue to be like that.
So when it comes to Gaetz for example, are Republicans going to be all holier than thou and say, "Mr. Gaetz how dare you have gone to a party where cocaine was used" or are we going to laugh it off and say, "Why the fuck should we care when Hunter is snorting cocaine at the White House?
As for Gaetz having sex with the 17 year old, they better give more detail if they expect me to care. Was this woman really 17 years, 11 months old, had been with 50 other guys, routinely used drugs, lied about her age and or had a fake ID, dressed like a 25 year old, and was arrested for something else and ratting on Gaetz to get her own sentence reduced, or was she a virginal type that Gaetz preyed on? If I do not have any information, I am going with the former, and if it is the former, who gives a fuck if he had sex with her?
If the Democratic douches want to bring up rule of law again, we should tattoo the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop to their collective bodies. What the Hunter Biden laptop showed is Democrats do not give a fuck about the law or having objective law enforcement. All they care about is power.
If you look at the contents of that laptop, it is a diary of disgusting, illegal behavior. We need to remember that. Anytime a Democratic douche like Hunter breaks the law, it is Russia's fault or someone else's fault. That is how utterly immoral law enforcement and the Democrats have become.
[QUOTE]I understand some feel his SEC Chair will be good for crypto. [b]But what if he is not? What if he is worse for crypto than the guy he replaced[/b]?[/QUOTE]I have zero reason to think putting the boot in the (compound profanity redacted) current SEC Chair's ass will not improve the outlook of the USGOV on crypto substantially. Individuals can ask all the questions they like. How about they table the issue until Trump returns to the office of the Presidency? [B]Because I don't need to answer their questions about the future[/B].
[I]The election of Donald J. Trump as President could have a significant impact on the crypto industry given his campaign promise of a pro-crypto administration. President Trump will be able to appoint a new chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) who could decide to take a different approach to crypto than has been taken under the leadership of the current chair, Gary Gensler. Under current leadership, the SEC has brought numerous enforcement actions against crypto industry members alleging violations of the federal securities laws, including actions solely for failing to register as a broker-dealer, clearing agency or national securities exchange under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. By contrast, the SEC has not proposed rules tailored to crypto assets, instead suggesting that current statutory and regulatory requirements can be applied to crypto assets. Crypto industry members have disagreed and have reported that their attempts to engage with the SEC on crypto-related issues have been unsuccessful. However, with the upcoming appointment of a new SEC chair, this approach could change, so members of the crypto industry should start preparing to engage with the SEC once new leadership is confirmed[/I]
[URL]https://www.wilmerhale.com/en/insights/client-alerts/20241114-trump-administration-2-how-the-secs-approach-to-crypto-could-change[/URL]
[B]The Defense Rests[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/ann-selzer-ends-election-polls.html[/URL]
Another fake pollster exposed.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/harris-campaign-finances.html[/URL]
A YUGE gracias to all you cucks that sent her loot, you could of given it to real life putas and gotten something in return LMFAO.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961700]"As usual, you are demonizing the wrong people for your economic grievances. Or racial grievances. Or whatever grievances you and the MAGAs are wallowing in".
This sounds like something they pay their online trolls to write all over the internet.
Lets not forget all the IP theft of tens of trillions of USD.
If that isn't an act or war alone I don't know what is.
A congressional estimate in the USA Placed the cost of Chinese intellectual property theft at 225600 billion dollars yearly. According to a CNBC survey, 1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen intellectual property within the previous year.
Say 5 trillion USD every 10 yrs.
[URL]https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Egregious-Cases-of-Chinese-Theft-of-American-Intellectual-Property.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how-chinas-political-system-discourages-innovation-and-encourages-ip-theft/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/five-eyes-intelligence-chiefs-warn-chinas-theft-intellectual-property-2023-10-18/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinas-technology-theft-major-threat-fbi-head-warns-60-minutes/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/china-intellectual-property-theft-fbi-linda-sun-hochul-infiltration-1950686[/URL]
I understand why you haven't been back to California or the USA in well over a decade, you hate all of us so much.
And I wouldn't be surprised if you were involved with IP theft for the CCP and there's a warrant for you, and the only way you will be returning is in handcuffs.
There is a file ISG won't upload, Google.
FBI. Gov.
Executive summary China: the risk to corporate America.[/QUOTE]Trump to Xi; "Make sure I win. ".
It was an extremely narrow win for him. But his begging finally paid off.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961717]"Mass murdering American infants in his 2nd term" WTF? Butchering babies is the full time hobby for fun of Democrats.
Since Roe v. Wade in 1973, more than 63 million abortions have occurred in the United States. In 2023, the first full year after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, there were over one million legal abortions performed in the USA:
This was the highest number of abortions in over a decade.
It was an 11% increase from 2020.
It was the first time there were over a million abortions in the USA Formal health care system since 2012.[/QUOTE]Fetuses are neither "babies" nor "infants".
[B]Stages of Fetal Development[/B]
[URL]https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/women-s-health-issues/normal-pregnancy/stages-of-fetal-development[/URL]
Virulently pro Repub, pretend "Bothsider", highly-valued long time Repub Party shill Bill Maher spent 4 years of weekly anti-Dem / Biden, pro Repub / Trump election campaign rallying trying to eke out at least the extremely narrow win for Trump he achieved based in part on the blatant Repub talking point lies that "Dems' abortion stance is killing babies" and "Dems can't define what a 'woman' is". LOL. Clearly, Repubs have never had a clue what a fetus is vs what a baby is.
His most recent post-election screed designed to deflect blame for Trump's extremely narrow win from himself and his consistent pro Repub lies to all-time classic lies about Dems like the above, that they demand to "Defund the police" and so on when Repubs and their leadership are the only ones who actually DID vote to Defund the Police and are demanding to Defund the FBI / National Police and the DOJ even today.
Looks like he has convinced you that aborting a fetus is "killing babies", too.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2961749]Yes, and I'll do you one better: some of that racist hatred ain't thin at all.
That being said, antisemitim doesn't dwell on the left only. The Far Right are every bit as viciously anti-Semitic as their sworn enemies, which this forum has demonstrated in all its splendor.
That's one of the reasons why I've always expressed my disgust for everything that begins with "far" -- be it Far Right or Far Left. Your kind and theirs are scourge upon humanity.[/QUOTE]I'm not a fan of the Horseshoe club.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory[/URL]
But I would assign ET Spidy and Tiny12 to that club.
I am not a Republican or a Democrat, I hate both parties.
But I don't think the far right hates the Jews, maybe they did 80 yrs ago.
Ie, I consider Mike Huckabee pretty far right and he's as Pro Israel / Jew as you will find (also Desantis, the National Review crowd et al).
Evangelicals love Israel and The Jews.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2961464]I mean WTF did these dumb fucks expect? Chump is somebody who didn't even want to admit Muslims into this country! Even if they had valid visas! Then he turned around and moved the USA embassy to Jerusalem! Just what did they believe he was going to do for them? Talk about voting against your own interests! Same for women. It's just ignorant![/QUOTE]It was such a razor-thin marginal win for Trump this time I suspect when all the dust settles and the counting is over it will turn out just an amount of self-loathing America-hating Muslims who therefore voted for Trump instead of Harris capable of being crammed into 1-2 Boeing 757's or 767's in each of the only three states that mattered was the deciding factor in the outcome.
Essentially a 2024 political version of the GW Bush 9-11 Attack on the USA Economy and National Security.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out they were shouting "Allahu Akbar!" As they entered the Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisonsin polling places to vote for Trump.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961717]"Mass murdering American infants in his 2nd term" WTF? Butchering babies is the full time hobby for fun of Democrats.
Since Roe v. Wade in 1973, more than 63 million abortions have occurred in the United States. In 2023, the first full year after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, there were over one million legal abortions performed in the USA:
This was the highest number of abortions in over a decade.
It was an 11% increase from 2020.
It was the first time there were over a million abortions in the USA Formal health care system since 2012.[/QUOTE]In Texas, a woman who was raped, should keep rape fruit, to see and remember everyday? Also to get a child, You have to have to take care of him. I wonder how women could vote for Trump, but US have fat in brain, like they are obese because of MacDo and Cola.
US police don t seem to like Tesla. Laughable in Germany over than 100 km / h, when European V8 are for 300 km / h.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2961404] Please decide whether I'm a Libertarian Republican or Bothsider / Neithersider. It's not fair to just switch back and forth depending on the subject matter. It has to be one or the other.[/QUOTE] What can I tell ya, is that, you seem to be a guy with many faces! QAnon/MAGA or Repub Lib or Lib Repub, is all the same right-wing shit!
But I think the term I used was, [i][b]"Okay, but a 'Spineless', flip-flop artist and bothsider/ neithersider guy?"[/b][/i] And flip-flopping, is something it would seem you Repubs do on the regular.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961794]But I would assign ET Spidy and Tiny12 to that club.
[b]I am [u]not a Republican[/u] or a Democrat, I hate both parties. [/b] [/QUOTE]
Case and point, with Repub flip-flop artist #2, declaring his not a Repub!
MDS1, being a former "catholic", now "atheist" (...how disappointing for the nuns who raised you), who now worships a wannabe false "savior", but is now no longer a Repub. I'm sure all the political identity flip-flopping is all but per for the course, for the right-wing lunatic fringe, not ever sure who or what they wannabe and yet, it's only Monday.
Perhaps, Tiny 12 and MDS1, y'all should get together and decide what [i][b]"political pronoun"[/b][/i] y'all wannabe on Tuesday? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2961803]It was such a razor-thin marginal win for Trump this time I suspect when all the dust settles and the counting is over it will turn out just an amount of self-loathing America-hating Muslims who therefore voted for Trump instead of Harris capable of being crammed into 1-2 Boeing 757's or 767's in each of the only three states that mattered was the deciding factor in the outcome.
Essentially a 2024 political version of the GW Bush 9-11 Attack on the USA Economy and National Security.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out they were shouting "Allahu Akbar!" As they entered the Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisonsin polling places to vote for Trump.[/QUOTE]"As usual, you are demonizing the wrong people for your economic grievances. Or racial grievances. Or whatever grievances you and the MAGAs are wallowing in".
This what someone that hates their own country of origin and gender and and and and WRITES.
And don't be so sure about those numbers, I'm sure California (with tens of millions of illegals aliens) is counting so slow for a reason, padding Harris numbers to keep the gig rolling.
Remember Nate predicting many "Harris voters" in the polls wouldn't bother voting on election day, well California is "setting" the record straight!!
Our Lord and Savior and Elon need to visit sum FACIST reform down Californias throat!! They are WAY overdue!!
They can start by sending ICE and the National Guard, Us Army, USMC in to purge all the Illegal aliens.
[URL]https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961719]You caught the gist of it.
That is irrelevant. What got this started is your saying the 2020 election was not rigged. I said it was. Now you are saying this kind of rigging goes on all the time. You keep coming up with reasons to blow off rigging an election and are not that only one. That natural tendency to let bygones be bygones IMO is not going to happen this time. We did that with Hiliary, and the Dems and intelligence agencies and FBI got worse and worse after that.
So Tiny, follow me for a second. You have a son fucking hookers, doing cocaine like crazy, and spending six figures a year on porn sites, and you have the FBI that can follow him around and know what he is doing. So it is obvious Joe Biden knew all that Hunter was doing, and he did not stop him because Hunter was funneling money to Joe. I am not going to play the criminal card here and prove that beyond a doubt. It is just obvious. Anybody who thinks Joe Biden has no hand in Hunter Biden's sins is a fucking moron.
So when it comes to the Attorney General, I want a guy who has been beaten up by law enforcement. He is the only one who will have the balls to carry out the reforms. The charges made against Gaetz pail in comparison to a corrupt FBI. We Republicans cannot risk having such corrupt Democrats, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies.
It is my opinion, and feel free to disagree with it, that Trump is not going to back down on Gaetz being Attorney General.[/QUOTE]Elvis, Admittedly, Hunter Biden is a poorer candidate for Attorney General than Matt Gaetz. In terms of legal background and experience they may be roughly equal. Gaetz though has the edge in character and emotional maturity. BUT WHY APPOINT EITHER ONE OF THEM?
Seriously, if you want someone who "will have the balls to carry out the reforms" who's seen firsthand how people have been beaten up by the system, how about civil rights attorney and Harvard law school graduate and former Harvard professor Harvey Silverglate, who wrote "Three Felonies a Day"? Silverglate is representing John Eastman, and he was the target of a sting operation by Robert Mueller. Or how about Bryan Stevenson, another Harvard JD who has gotten more innocents off death row than anyone? Stevenson's run an organization with a couple of hundred people. Matt Gaetz is a joke.
This is what happens when Susie Wiles, who will be Trump's Chief of Staff, leaves him alone for a day or two. You'll recall Wiles has said she's going to keep the clowns away from her boss. Gaetz wasn't on the list for candidates for AG. He gets on a plane with Trump from Florida to Washington D.C., bends his ear, and the next thing you know is the AG In Waiting! Incredible!
Remember when Trump sent planes to bomb Iran and then recalled them at the last moment? There were two possibilities. One, which I favored, was that this was Trump's plan from the start. He wanted to send a false message to the mullahs that he was bat shit crazy so they shouldn't fuck with America. But he actually had no intention of bombing Iran. The other possibility is that he was imprudent and impulsive and made a spur of the moment decision, without really thinking through the idea to launch the attack in the first place. In other words, he's not someone you want controlling the nuclear codes. Well, after the Gaetz nomination, I don't know what to think.
My opinion is that it doesn't matter whether Trump backs down because the Senate probably won't confirm Gaetz. The punters on Polymarket kind of agree, as they only give him a 38% probability right now of assuming the office.
[url]https://polymarket.com/event/who-will-be-trumps-attorney-general?tid=1731973505856[/url]
Yeah, some of Joe's "support" for Hunter stinks to high heaven. Still the sins of the son were manifestly greater than the sins of the father. If you just compare Trump and Joe Biden on issues of character, and leave Hunter aside, Biden comes out ahead, I think. I say "I think" because I've read two or three biographies of Trump and none of Biden. And Trump's personal and business history isn't pretty.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2961938][b]It all just the same far right-wing lunatic fringe...[/b]
What can I tell ya, is that, you seem to be a guy with many faces! QAnon/MAGA or Repub Lib or Lib Repub, is all the same right-wing shit!
But I think the term I used was, [i][b]"Okay, but a 'Spineless', flip-flop artist and bothsider/ neithersider guy?"[/b][/i] And flip-flopping, is something it would seem you Repubs do on the regular.
Case and point, with Repub flip-flop artist #2, declaring his not a Repub!
MDS1, being a former "catholic", now "atheist" (...how disappointing for the nuns who raised you), who now worships a wannabe false "savior", but is now no longer a Repub. I'm sure all the political identity flip-flopping is all but per for the course, for the right-wing lunatic fringe, not ever sure who or what they wannabe and yet, it's only Monday.
Perhaps, Tiny 12 and MDS1, y'all should get together and decide what [i][b]"political pronoun"[/b][/i] y'all wannabe on Tuesday? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE]The only non horrific Lunatic Fringe result option now and ever has been to vote and to always vote straight Dem Party candidates all up and down the ballot. No exceptions. Ever.
The "normal", "good guy to have a beer with" Repub or non Dem candidates are every bit as likely to promote and produce horrific economic and national security results as the bat-shit crazy ones. There is no noticeable difference in results between the two types. Only a difference in degree of horrific results they produce depending on how much effective Dem opposition presence is on hand to prevent or lessen those intended horrific Repub results at the time.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961958]"As usual, you are demonizing the wrong people for your economic grievances. Or racial grievances. Or whatever grievances you and the MAGAs are wallowing in".
This what someone that hates their own country of origin and gender and and and and WRITES.
And don't be so sure about those numbers, I'm sure California (with tens of millions of illegals aliens) is counting so slow for a reason, padding Harris numbers to keep the gig rolling.
Remember Nate predicting many "Harris voters" in the polls wouldn't bother voting on election day, well California is "setting" the record straight!!
Our Lord and Savior and Elon need to visit sum FACIST reform down Californias throat!! They are WAY overdue!!
They can start by sending ICE and the National Guard, Us Army, USMC in to purge all the Illegal aliens.
[URL]https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form[/URL][/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised if the final count in California and elsewhere places Trump with only a Plurality of the vote and not a Majority of the vote.
That would mean the majority of American votes was for "NOT Trump. ".
And, despite the typical pro Repub Mainstream Media ridiculous spin on it being some "landslide" or "mandate", we will combine that historical fact right next to the one about LESS than a single percentage point shift in votes from Trump to Harris in only 3 states, likely equal to the number of ill-informed, numbskull, self-loathing, America-hating and now sadly "woke" to the horrible mistake they made Muslims voting for Trump instead of Harris in just those 3 states being the sole reason we have a President-elect Trump today instead of a President-elect Harris.
It was by every definition a razor-thin "win" for this particular bat-shit crazy version of a Classic Repub, Trump.
Javier Milei, President of Argentina. He's pals with Elon Musk
[URL]https://youtu.be/kUYPNsTpO4Y[/URL]
Viva la libertad carajo!
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While the post-election relief rally in the broad USA stock market has so far been 'meh' compared to most on the news that Trump eked out a razor-thin win, we know that crypto purchases have soared on the dubious assumption by its speculators that crypto will be the one shining exception to the easily observed, justified world-renowned adage that, "Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit And Dies. ".
Maybe it will be. Maybe not. Nobody knows.
Therefore, the 2nd Trump so-called presidency might be much more of a stock-picker's opportunity rather than the far superior no-brainer, lift all boats, total stock market-gaining one, despite Biden-Harris handing him near perfect economic conditions for him to preside over one from any golf cart on any golf course in the world.
Here is one of the purchases that professionals who spend hours a day doing their due diligence on before deciding to buy, sell or hold are seeing good things for in the future:
[B]Dental supply stock surges on RFKs anti-fluoride stance, activist involvement.
Nov. 18, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/18/dental-supply-stock-rallies-on-theory-rfks-anti-fluoride-stance-will-prompt-more-dentist-visits.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Henry Schein shares climbed about 7.5% in Monday trading, clinching their best day since 2022.
Financial firm Gordon Haskett said Robert F. Kennedy Jr.s advocacy for removing fluoride in public water can help demand for companies like Henry Schein that make dental hygiene products.[/QUOTE]Start scheduling your 2025,2026, 2027 and 2028 family dental appointments with your favorite dentist now. They're going to be busy.
Perhaps some other purchases and investments that will prove "must buys" based on the incoming administration's moves so fare as the due diligence continues will be:
Human Brain-Eating Worm Antidote.
Rape and Sexual Assault-Prevention Pepper Spray.
Funeral Homes.
And, if past is prolog for these Repub so-called presidencies:
Payday Loan (shark) Shops.
Liquor Sales.
Gun Sales.
Prisons.
More Funeral Homes.
Happy investing!
Shh. Don't tell anybody. Please keep this Mainstream Media secret to yourself; for months and months the Average Price of a Gallon of Regular Gasoline in the USA has been steadily declining to the point that at $3. 06 per gallon, it costs no more today than if it had only gained 1% in price per year in the past 5 1/2 years since it was $2. 90 per gallon in May 2019 under Trump, at the height of his ok but still below average pre Trump's Pandemic Crash economy:
[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]
See the screenshot below.
That is half the rate of Inflation as the 2% annual target hoped for by the Fed. And it comes after primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raised wages for millions of Americans on 2018 and 2019.
So the purchasing power re gasoline in America is far, far greater for the typical American worker now and even a year or so ago than it ever was under Trump. Unless someone happened to have a lot of cash on hand in 2020 while Trump's Pandemic was crashing the economy, closing businesses and schools, the streets were empty because nobody could go anywhere or do anything, of course.
[B]See The Average Price of Gasoline In 2019 Here:[/B]
[URL]https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42435[/URL]
Thanks, Joe and Kamala. Try not to fuck all of it up irreparably, Donnie.
I barely had a chance to post the reality of this here, when suddenly:
[B]Donald Trumps Mandate Is a Myth.
Nov. 19, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-mandate-myth-175155368.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Donald Trump and his allies have characterized the 2024 election as an overwhelming victoryand a mandate for shock politics, mass deportations, and the transformation of the countrys foreign and domestic policy. Theres just one problem: They didnt actually win by much.
CNNs Harry Enten reports that Trump is now under 50 percent for the popular vote, and his margin is the forty-fourth worst out of 51 presidential elections since 1824. Four Democrats won Senate seats in states that Trump won (Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada), compared to zero in the 2016 and 2020 elections. And while Republicans held on to their House majority, if results hold, their 221214 margin will be the smallest majority in the 50-state era.[/QUOTE]LOL. Some "collective ass handing" there, huh?
And, according to the Muslim leadership in PA, MI and WI, who know the actual Muslim vote numbers in those states better than anyone, it was their ill-informed, now woefully regretted, self-loathing, America-hating votes for Trump rather than Harris that "gave him his win".
Razor-thin it was and is. And it was likely just a relative hand-full of spectacularly confused and mis-informed America-hating Muslims wielding that razor that sliced it ever so thin for Trumpty-Dumpty.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962005]I wouldn't be surprised if the final count in California and elsewhere places Trump with only a Plurality of the vote and not a Majority of the vote.
That would mean the majority of American votes was for "NOT Trump. ".
And, despite the typical pro Repub Mainstream Media ridiculous spin on it being some "landslide" or "mandate", we will combine that historical fact right next to the one about LESS than a single percentage point shift in votes from Trump to Harris in only 3 states, likely equal to the number of ill-informed, numbskull, self-loathing, America-hating and now sadly "woke" to the horrible mistake they made Muslims voting for Trump instead of Harris in just those 3 states being the sole reason we have a President-elect Trump today instead of a President-elect Harris.
It was by every definition a razor-thin "win" for this particular bat-shit crazy version of a Classic Repub, Trump.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/11/18/minnesota-election-judge-charged-felonies-letting-unregistered-people-vote-2024-election/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/06/donald-trump-mass-deportations-illegals-first-day-second-term/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpf4FleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHR512GFU3VRkDjjuNQtTHVrPg5bPHoZeC5gcn6Ni6BVe4nIUfXVBwY8BsQ_aem_6Pout8kIq9WGxcIXZcS9AA[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NMHZi50ONw[/URL]
[URL]https://www.aol.com/shock-awe-trump-border-czar-233639109.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpf7tleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTqnCMWNJ9vgvX9asDiGbfPznGoCY314dzNwiWOpxR4sIbtNcc2WzbSVCQ_aem_V488mVxIq90i73thvOP7OA[/URL]
Modern SLAVERY circa 2024.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2024/11/18/ny-times-admits-migration-skews-nations-economy-politics/[/URL]
Thanks Scumbag Joe.
Clearly, the majority of Americans and the majority of the American Electorate does NOT want this shit to happen.
But Repub Donald J. Trump made a campaign promise and has sworn to keep his campaign promises to the relative handful of self-loathing, America-hating Muslims spread across 3 states that "gave him the win".
So he damn well better do it On Day One, along with deporting millions and millions of nail and hair salon employees, farm workers, produce pickers, factory workers, construction workers, day laborers, maids, busboys, landscapers, maintenance and janitorial workers, etc, etc, etc and replace them with higher paid full American citizens as soon as millions and millions those American citizens show up to apply for those jobs.
And he better not even think about wasting so much as one hour golfing until he fulfills those promises and many, many more to satisfy that new critical America-hating Muslim Repub Electoral base demo no matter how few of them there are in those 3 important Electoral College states.
[B]Walmart may have to raise some prices if Trump tariffs take effect, CFO says.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/19/walmart-says-new-trump-tariffs-could-raise-prices.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Walmart CFO John David Rainey told CNBC that new tariffs could force the retailer to raise prices.
Lowes CEO Marvin Ellison said the home improvement retailer is concerned about the risk of higher costs and is already having conversations with suppliers about tariffs.
The companies joined other brands and retail trade groups in warning that the tax on imports proposed by President-elect Donald Trump could fuel inflation.
............
Walmarts and Lowes comments are the latest warnings from U.S. retail leaders about the potential blowback from from the duties. During Trumps presidential campaign, he said he would impose a 10% to 20% tariff on all imports, including levies as high as 60% to 100% for goods from China.
................
In an interview with CNBC, CEO Marvin Ellison said like other consumer-facing brands and retailers, Lowes is concerned about the risk of higher costs. He said its already having conversations with suppliers about the what ifs of tariffs, as it waits to see what Trumps policy change will ultimately look like.
Were not waiting to act, he said. Weve got plans in place. Weve got scenarios in place, and were trying to understand the implications.
The two companies are not the only major retail stakeholders raising concerns.
In a statement earlier this month, National Retail Federation CEO Matthew Shay described across-the-board tariffs as a tax on American families. He said it will drive inflation and price increases and will result in job losses.
The prospect of increased prices comes as inflation has moderated in the U.S., after years of stretching consumers wallets.
The prospect of increased prices comes as inflation has moderated in the U.S., after years of stretching consumers wallets.
Other retailers and brands have also spoken out about the potential drawbacks of the tariffs. E.l.f. Beauty CEO Tarang Amin told CNBC in an interview earlier this month that the company could be forced to raise prices if the higher duties take effect. Footwear maker Steve Madden said it will reduce the goods it imports from China by as much as 45% over the next year to try to avoid the financial impact.[/QUOTE]The immortal Trump / Repub classic:
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961966]In terms of legal background and experience they may be roughly equal. Gaetz though has the edge in character and emotional maturity.[/QUOTE]LOL. Oh no, you didn't. Gaetz v. Hunter?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961966]Seriously, if you want someone who "will have the balls to carry out the reforms" who's seen firsthand how people have been beaten up by the system, how about civil rights attorney and Harvard law school graduate and former Harvard professor Harvey Silverglate, who wrote "Three Felonies a Day"? Silverglate is representing John Eastman, and he was the target of a sting operation by Robert Mueller. Or how about Bryan Stevenson, another Harvard JD who has gotten more innocents off death row than anyone? Stevenson's run an organization with a couple of hundred people. Matt Gaetz is a joke.[/QUOTE]I noticed that Harvard types are usually masters of the system and rarely want to shake the system up and that was decades ago. Now studies shows the Ivy League schools have the least diversity of thought of any universities. So for me, it is a no go on Harvard types.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961966]This is what happens when Susie Wiles, who will be Trump's Chief of Staff, leaves him alone for a day or two. You'll recall Wiles has said she's going to keep the clowns away from her boss. Gaetz wasn't on the list for candidates for AG. He gets on a plane with Trump from Florida to Washington D.C., bends his ear, and the next thing you know is the AG In Waiting! Incredible!
My opinion is that it doesn't matter whether Trump backs down because the Senate probably won't confirm Gaetz. The punters on Polymarket kind of agree, as they only give him a 38% probability right now of assuming the office.
[url]https://polymarket.com/event/who-will-be-trumps-attorney-general?tid=1731973505856[/url] [/QUOTE]At the end of the day, the decision is going to made by Republicans. Now some do not like Gaetz, but I would not underestimate the passion of the MAGA folks. Keep in mind that when Tucker Carlson predicted assassination attempts, we MAGA folks believed him, while everyone else thought we were nuts, and then two assassination attempts happened.
So now you and others are acting as if those do not matter. Just like you said Hunter Biden's laptop would not have impacted the election, the natural tendency to blow things off and let institutions off the hook comes in. You think the two assassins were lone nuts. Again, that is just what you want to believe. Just like Hunter Biden's laptop, there is nothing in the news about them is there?
The attorney general pick is the most important appointment there is to us MAGA folks because we hated Trump's last two attorney generals. They were not loyal to Trump at all and allowed Democrats and the Deep state to get away with Russiagate and Ukrainegate.
These deep state assholes have not just been using lawfare and assassination attempts in the USA but around the world. They are killers, and it is going to take someone with some serious balls to put them in their place. So that is the passion on our side, and I think that passion is going to mow down any Republican who stands in our way.
I looked at the #2 and #4 guys on the Polymarket site. #2 is a Dem who just turned Republican. #4 is a Mormon senator from Utah who looks anything like a fighter. #3 is a fighter, but he has some dirt as well, so I prefer Gaetz to all of them.
Thing is the MAGA youtube channel has posted videos that show Gaetz at his best, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHopN6x4KIg[/URL].
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARqHokc6EFw[/URL]
I think then there is a fight that is coming. I was worried that Trump would not find someone with the balls to fight the deep state. I am not worried now.
Doesn't Trump even want to know anything about what is going on, who, what, where and why or to be a legitimate President-elect or a legitimate President and Commander-in-Chief?
The dude can't seem to do anything without breaking the law and putting America in grave danger due to his unprecedented laziness and incompetence. Or is he doing it intentionally? WhoTF cares which it is, though. Best not to allow his ilk anywhere near a position of serious responsibility.
Unfortunately, that handful of woefully misinformed America-hating Muslims who gave him the win this time put all of us in this severely dangerous position.
[B]Trump still hasnt signed ethics agreement required for presidential transition.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/09/politics/trump-transition-ethics-pledge-timing/index.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trump has not yet submitted a series of transition agreements with the Biden administration, in part because of concerns over the mandatory ethics pledge vowing to avoid conflicts of interest once sworn in to office, CNN has learned.
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The Trump team ignored a pair of key preelection deadlines to unlock transition activities with the Biden administrations General Services Administration and the White House. Experts are sounding the alarms about impacts to Day 1 national security preparedness.
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A source familiar with the process acknowledged that details are still being worked out with the Biden administration regarding the ethics agreement, which is required by law under the Presidential Transition Act and which applies to all members of the transition team. Updates to that bill requiring the ethics pledge were introduced by Trump ally Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, and signed into law by Trump himself in March 2020.
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If Trump is inaugurated in January without having participated in these activities, Stier warned, He cant be ready to take over our government in a way that is safe for all of us. It is simply not possible. You will not have the larger team around him that is essential to running our government up to speed and available to enter into leadership positions across our government.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962005]I wouldn't be surprised if the final count in California and elsewhere places Trump with only a Plurality of the vote and not a Majority of the vote.
That would mean the majority of American votes was for "NOT Trump. ".
And, despite the typical pro Repub Mainstream Media ridiculous spin on it being some "landslide" or "mandate", we will combine that historical fact right next to the one about LESS than a single percentage point shift in votes from Trump to Harris in only 3 states, likely equal to the number of ill-informed, numbskull, self-loathing, America-hating and now sadly "woke" to the horrible mistake they made Muslims voting for Trump instead of Harris in just those 3 states being the sole reason we have a President-elect Trump today instead of a President-elect Harris.
It was by every definition a razor-thin "win" for this particular bat-shit crazy version of a Classic Repub, Trump.[/QUOTE]Keep telling yourself that. The truth is Democrats were fucking with elections in Florida for decades. We saw what a farce Palm Beach and Broward County were in 2000, and they continued to be. In 2019, Desantis kicked out Susan Bucher and Brenda Snipers, and Florida elections have been smooth as silk since. And Florida has gone from being a tossup state to solidly red.
And we have just seen in Pennsylvania the continued counting of illegal votes.
And it was not just in Pennsylvania. Nevada and Arizona, just like Broward and Palm County used to, keep having issues counting votes. Gee, I wonder why. Wisconsin apparently had another late night dumping off a massive amount of mail in ballots.
As of now, Kamala is down about 8 million votes from Biden. So how many of these previous Biden voters voted for others? How many stayed home? And how many were fake? The answer to that last question is not zero even though you want it to be.
Just like in Florida, we Republicans have had enough of this shit. 80% of the country is in favor of voter ID, and Republicans have the votes to pass it now. So you can keep telling yourself Loony Tooms that changing the law on voter ID will not matter. All we know is getting rid of those witches in Florida turned Florida ruby red.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2961966]Elvis, Admittedly, Hunter Biden is a poorer candidate for Attorney General than Matt Gaetz. In terms of legal background and experience they may be roughly equal. Gaetz though has the edge in character and emotional maturity. BUT WHY APPOINT EITHER ONE OF THEM?
Seriously, if you want someone who "will have the balls to carry out the reforms" who's seen firsthand how people have been beaten up by the system, how about civil rights attorney and Harvard law school graduate and former Harvard professor Harvey Silverglate, who wrote "Three Felonies a Day"? Silverglate is representing John Eastman, and he was the target of a sting operation by Robert Mueller. Or how about Bryan Stevenson, another Harvard JD who has gotten more innocents off death row than anyone? Stevenson's run an organization with a couple of hundred people. Matt Gaetz is a joke.
This is what happens when Susie Wiles, who will be Trump's Chief of Staff, leaves him alone for a day or two. You'll recall Wiles has said she's going to keep the clowns away from her boss. Gaetz wasn't on the list for candidates for AG. He gets on a plane with Trump from Florida to Washington D.C., bends his ear, and the next thing you know is the AG In Waiting! Incredible!
Remember when Trump sent planes to bomb Iran and then recalled them at the last moment? There were two possibilities. One, which I favored, was that this was Trump's plan from the start. He wanted to send a false message to the mullahs that he was bat shit crazy so they shouldn't fuck with America. But he actually had no intention of bombing Iran. The other possibility is that he was imprudent and impulsive and made a spur of the moment decision, without really thinking through the idea to launch the attack in the first place. In other words, he's not someone you want controlling the nuclear codes. Well, after the Gaetz nomination, I don't know what to think.
My opinion is that it doesn't matter whether Trump backs down because the Senate probably won't confirm Gaetz. The punters on Polymarket kind of agree, as they only give him a 38% probability right now of assuming the office.
[url]https://polymarket.com/event/who-will-be-trumps-attorney-general?tid=1731973505856[/url]
Yeah, some of Joe's "support" for Hunter stinks to high heaven. Still the sins of the son were manifestly greater than the sins of the father. If you just compare Trump and Joe Biden on issues of character, and leave Hunter aside, Biden comes out ahead, I think. I say "I think" because I've read two or three biographies of Trump and none of Biden. And Trump's personal and business history isn't pretty.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/musk-gaetz-ag/2024/11/19/id/1188645/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/19/paper-shredding-truck-appears-outside-doj-after-gaetz-nomination/[/URL]
I'm hoping for at least a recess appointment.
You've read 3 biographies of Trump? Why? You don't even like him, let me guess you read "authors" that didn't even like him and did.
Typical left wing hit jobs, like the media " presidential historians" LMAO.
Did you read the one by Sir Conrad Black by any chance, I'm guessing you wouldn't dare.
Would it be ok if we just call you Liz here? Liz is that really you?
"If you just compare Trump and Joe Biden on issues of character" so you think taking kickbacks from the CCP is ok? He really belongs in Florence, but that's why your type hates him so much.
He can't be bought like a cheap puta ala Scumbag Bubba Scumbag Barry Hussein Scumbag Joe and the Junkie Bagman.
I hope whoever runs the DOJ next investigates the Pelosi insider trading Duo.
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/teary-eyed-nancy-pelosi-arrives-see-kamala-harris-concede-presidential-race-howard-university[/URL]
Scroll down to the foto of her crying, I'm guessing she's shitting her pants LMAO.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2962139]Keep telling yourself that. The truth is Democrats were fucking with elections in Florida for decades. We saw what a farce Palm Beach and Broward County were in 2000, and they continued to be. In 2019, Desantis kicked out Susan Bucher and Brenda Snipers, and Florida elections have been smooth as silk since. And Florida has gone from being a tossup state to solidly red.
And we have just seen in Pennsylvania the continued counting of illegal votes.
And it was not just in Pennsylvania. Nevada and Arizona, just like Broward and Palm County used to, keep having issues counting votes. Gee, I wonder why. Wisconsin apparently had another late night dumping off a massive amount of mail in ballots.
As of now, Kamala is down about 8 million votes from Biden. So how many of these previous Biden voters voted for others? How many stayed home? And how many were fake? The answer to that last question is not zero even though you want it to be.
Just like in Florida, we Republicans have had enough of this shit. 80% of the country is in favor of voter ID, and Republicans have the votes to pass it now. So you can keep telling yourself Loony Tooms that changing the law on voter ID will not matter. All we know is getting rid of those witches in Florida turned Florida ruby red.[/QUOTE]MORE than 4 solid years of you whining and crying Sore Losers has without a doubt caused our resident "Wow. You lost! Get over it" contingency to build up a huge store of Whip Ass for you about it!
Which I am positive they will unleash on you any minute now after that post FOUR PLUS YEARS into it!
Wait for it!
It's coming!
I just know it's coming!
Really.
Swear to god!
For sure.
Probably the very next post.
Been composing it for more than 4 long years.
So it must be a real doozy.
You are really going to get it now.
Take cover.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962098]Clearly, the majority of Americans and the majority of the American Electorate does NOT want this shit to happen.
But Repub Donald J. Trump made a campaign promise and has sworn to keep his campaign promises to the relative handful of self-loathing, America-hating Muslims spread across 3 states that "gave him the win".
So he damn well better do it On Day One, along with deporting millions and millions of nail and hair salon employees, farm workers, produce pickers, factory workers, construction workers, day laborers, maids, busboys, landscapers, maintenance and janitorial workers, etc, etc, etc and replace them with higher paid full American citizens as soon as millions and millions those American citizens show up to apply for those jobs.
And he better not even think about wasting so much as one hour golfing until he fulfills those promises and many, many more to satisfy that new critical America-hating Muslim Repub Electoral base demo no matter how few of them there are in those 3 important Electoral College states.
[B]Walmart may have to raise some prices if Trump tariffs take effect, CFO says.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/19/walmart-says-new-trump-tariffs-could-raise-prices.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
The immortal Trump / Repub classic:[/QUOTE]But Walmart has a better more Pro MAGA idea!!
More than a dozen years ago I took my Clinton and Obama stock market gains, my LBJ, Carter, Clinton jobs income savings, my California life, work and investment money, all of which had blessedly out-performed the losses most Americans suffered, me too, from the Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 years, then again in the Trump years but, blessedly regained and then some in the Biden years, to retire early, move and enjoy life work-free in Thailand surrounded by cute young Asian girls happy to blow me and get fucked by me for a small price but most importantly without the burdensome cost of emotional or long term commitment expected by many of the lovelies in the USA who provided those pleasures to me over the previous decades along with the great food, variety if entertainments, the ridiculously comfortable ease of life, fun and leisure here in Bangkok, Thailand.
But as I got older I knew I needed to consider health care issues. Luckily I have not needed to go to a hospital for anything other than a full routine medical check-up or to see a doctor for anything more than to get my eyes examined and teeth cleaned and checked to make sure all is well there. And all is well.
As I reached age 65, that fantastic Dem-proposed, fought for and passed miracle of modern American life, Medicare, was available to me. For free. Well, I had paid into it throughout my working years. So I signed up for it, of course. Even though I knew I could not take advantage of it while living in Thailand, it was great to know I could fly back to the USA to get whatever major surgery or hospitalization I might require some day.
Which brings us to that Trump bullet I just dodged. It turns out my observation and the testimonials I get from other expats that Thai surgical and hospitalization is Top Notch and low cost means I will probably never need to fly back to the USA for any particular Medicare-related surgery or hospitalization. Plus I have health insurance coverage here as is required to get my annual retirement visa.
Therefore, there will be no reason in the foreseeable future for me to deal with the expected horrific results of this:
[B]Trump names Dr. Mehmet Oz to head Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.[/B]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/19/politics/mehmet-oz-trump-medicare-medicaid/index.html[/URL]
[B]
HomeMedia
Mehmet Oz unqualified to run Medicare and Medicaid.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cspinet.org/statement/mehmet-oz-unqualified-run-medicare-and-medicaid[/URL]
[QUOTE]Statement of CSPI President Dr. Peter G. Lurie
The nomination of Dr. Mehmet Oz to lead the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services would be a shocking nomination under normal circumstances. But in the context of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.s, nomination to lead HHS, the CMS parent agency, it makes perfect sense: Its as if Donald Trump is poised to turn over control of our vital health and and medical agencies to a clown car full of unqualified quacks.
Dr. Oz is famous for promoting medicines and supplements that do not do what Oz says they dothats the last person youd want overseeing the billions of dollars in medical care expenditures CMS approves each year. Like RFK, Jr., he touted the debunked hydroxychloroquine treatment for COVID-19.
He has devoted a large portion of his career to promoting silly therapies involving herbs and extracts with no discernable health effects, various other purported weight-loss remedies, and has even promoted homeopathy, in which supposed therapies are diluted to the point that they are essentially absent from the product.
this rate, they should rename the department the Department of Hydroxychloroquine, Homeopathy, and Supplements.[/QUOTE]Whew!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962137]Unfortunately, that handful of woefully misinformed America-hating Muslims who gave him the win this time put all of us in this severely dangerous position.[/QUOTE]Well in the eyes of EihTooms at least the [B]crypto vote[/B] is not taking the rap anymore. Yep, like a cover corner back, I shut him down on that issue!
Never mind the the Democratic Party has bad policy and is focused on dick politics.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2961794]I'm not a fan of the Horseshoe club.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory[/URL]
But I would assign ET Spidy and Tiny12 to that club.
I am not a Republican or a Democrat, I hate both parties.
But I don't think the far right hates the Jews, maybe they did 80 yrs ago.
Ie, I consider Mike Huckabee pretty far right and he's as Pro Israel / Jew as you will find (also Desantis, the National Review crowd et al).
Evangelicals love Israel and The Jews.[/QUOTE]Right!
[B]The Anti-Semitic Revolution on the American Right[/B]
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/anti-semitism-american-right-wing/679992[/URL]
[B]Tucker Carlson and the danger of antisemitism[/B]
[URL]https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tucker-carlson-and-the-danger-of-antisemitism[/URL]
[B]Americas dark history of organized anti-Semitism re-emerges in todays far-right groups[/B]
[URL]https://theconversation.com/americas-dark-history-of-organized-anti-semitism-re-emerges-in-todays-far-right-groups-106292[/URL]
And there is at least one study that's also not in favor of the Horseshoe theory, but for entirely different reasons.
[B]The far left and far right are equally antisemitic? A new study suggests otherwise[/B]
[URL]https://forward.com/fast-forward/549006/jews-far-left-far-right-antisemitic-study[/URL]
[QUOTE]A new study is casting doubt on the idea, held by some but not most American Jews, that antisemitism is just as prevalent on the far left as it is on the far right. Though far more American Jews consider the far right as the greater antisemitic threat, some academics and Jewish leaders have embraced horseshoe theory the idea the opposite ends of an ideological spectrum are similar and applied it to antisemitism.
Though the Anti-Defamation League, for example, has identified the far right as far more threatening to American Jews, its leader, Jonathan Greenblatt, has compared far-left critics of Israel as the photo inverse of the extreme right.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2962220]Well in the eyes of EihTooms at least the [B]crypto vote[/B] is not taking the rap anymore. Yep, like a cover corner back, I shut him down on that issue!
Never mind the the Democratic Party has bad policy and is focused on dick politics.[/QUOTE]I thought you were the one making a case that it was or soon will be the crypto vote that lost this one and all future elections for Dems.
How did that get flipped around?
Unless the handful of America-hating Muslims whose votes in just 3 states that gave Trump the razor-thin win he eked out was also known to be champing at the bit to see what Trump will do for crypto. Have you heard anything about that being the case?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962209]More than a dozen years ago I took my Clinton and Obama stock market gains, my LBJ, Carter, Clinton jobs income savings, my California life, work and investment money, all of which had blessedly out-performed the losses most Americans suffered, me too, from the Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 years, then again in the Trump years but, blessedly regained and then some in the Biden years, to retire early, move and enjoy life work-free in Thailand surrounded by cute young Asian girls happy to blow me and get fucked by me for a small price but most importantly without the burdensome cost of emotional or long term commitment expected by many of the lovelies in the USA who provided those pleasures to me over the previous decades along with the great food, variety if entertainments, the ridiculously comfortable ease of life, fun and leisure here in Bangkok, Thailand.
But as I got older I knew I needed to consider health care issues. Luckily I have not needed to go to a hospital for anything other than a full routine medical check-up or to see a doctor for anything more than to get my eyes examined and teeth cleaned and checked to make sure all is well there. And all is well.
As I reached age 65, that fantastic Dem-proposed, fought for and passed miracle of modern American life, Medicare, was available to me. For free. Well, I had paid into it throughout my working years. So I signed up for it, of course. Even though I knew I could not take advantage of it while living in Thailand, it was great to know I could fly back to the USA to get whatever major surgery or hospitalization I might require some day.
Which brings us to that Trump bullet I just dodged. It turns out my observation and the testimonials I get from other expats that Thai surgical and hospitalization is Top Notch and low cost means I will probably never need to fly back to the USA for any particular Medicare-related surgery or hospitalization. Plus I have health insurance coverage here as is required to get my annual retirement visa.
Therefore, there will be no reason in the foreseeable future for me to deal with the expected horrific results of this:
[B]Trump names Dr. Mehmet Oz to head Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.[/B]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/19/politics/mehmet-oz-trump-medicare-medicaid/index.html[/URL]
[B]
HomeMedia
Mehmet Oz unqualified to run Medicare and Medicaid.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cspinet.org/statement/mehmet-oz-unqualified-run-medicare-and-medicaid[/URL]
Whew![/QUOTE]If you received Medicare I'm pretty sure you would know its not free.
I keep hearing starry-eyed dreamers in the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media rhapsodizing over what a "landslide" election win it was for their beloved Donald Trump, how it gave him an historic "mandate" to do anything he wants and how it proves once and for all the Dems are just too focused on trannies, pronouns and ruining women's sports.
Uh.
Here are the actual numbers so far in the link below. Bear in mind, the total count in Califorinia and a few other trace areas here and there are not fully counted. So this site still has Trump at 50.0 percent of the total vote, which will probably be adjusted downward when it is finished. Or not. Only time will tell.
Either way, Trump is only likely to have gotten about 2,500,000 more votes than Harris in the entire country, far less than the number of votes Clinton and Biden each got more than Trump. And Clinton lost the election after Trump commited 34 business fraud Felonies in a conspiracy to steal that election. LOL.
However, the count in the only 3 states that determined the winner, PA, MI and WI are essentially finished, give or take a few insignificant digits.
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
By my math, and I know some math whiz will correct me if I am wrong, it comes down to a shift of LESS than approximately 130,000 votes from Trump to Harris spread across just those 3 states made the difference between America producing a President-elect Harris instead of a President-elect Trump on election day.
Not a landslide. Not a mandate. No discernable lesson whatever for the Dems to have learned from it except perhaps to spend more time wooing a relative handful of wildly misinformed, America-hating Muslims with no apparent interest in crypto, tranny or pronoun issues.
Which, according to the Muslim community leadership in those states, made up the vast majority if not the total number of those 130,000 votes spread across those three states that gave Trump his razor-thin win but who already now regret having voted for him anyway.
The Titans of American Industry and Business, including Trump's nominee for Secretary of the Treasury, LOVE them some Bidenomics Recovery and Economic Expansion for the remarkably PRO BUSINESS and PRO GROWTH effect it has had in teeing up the kind of historically positive opportunity that only a complete King of Business Failures and Bancruptcy could possibly fuck up going forward.
As usual, the Dems shouldered ALL of the heavy lifting and assumed ALL of the political risk-taking to apply their inarguably far superior pro business, pro America, America First policies and stewardship while America-hating, Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repubs to sat on their butt demonizing the herculean effort and lying about it in their benefactor Mainstream Media and timing it just so to swoop in and take control of it thanks to a handful of blitheringly ill informed voters in 2-3 swing states.
Whereupon the lying Repubs usually shit all over the opportunity, go fishing, ride ponies or play golf, play golf and play more golf until the chance to Crash the economy they inherited, wipe out millions upon millions of jobs and, thereby, rise to the status of Lord and Savior in the Repub Party comes along or has to be generated by them to leap upon, embrace and exacerbate.
The same pattern that has been repeating itself for at least 100 years.
Oh well.
[B]USA 'industrial renaissance' is driving a rebound in fundraising.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/us-industrial-renaissance-is-driving-a-rebound-in-fundraising.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Demand for capital in the U.S. is surging amid massive government spending and an industrial renaissance, Apollo Globals Marc Rowan said.
Other panelists said normalization of economic conditions and growth in the data center and energy sectors were also leading to a rebound in fundraising activity.
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An industrial renaissance in the U.S. is fueling demand for capital, Marc Rowan, CEO of Apollo Global Management said at the Global Financial Leaders Investment Summit in Hong Kong.
There is so much demand for capital, including through debt and equity ... Whats going on is nothing short of extraordinary, Rowan said on Tuesday during a panel discussion.
This demand has been supported by massive government spending, particularly on infrastructure, the semiconductor industry and projects [b]under the Inflation Reduction Act[/b], said the asset manager, who is reportedly in the[b] running for Treasury Secretary position under President-elect Donald Trump.[/b]
What were watching is this incredible demand for capital happening against a backdrop of a U.S. government that is running significant deficits. And so the capital raising business, I think thats going to be a good business, he said.
Industrial policies, including[b] the CHIPS and Science Act[/b] and the [b]2021 infrastructure legislation[/b], warrant billions in spending.
Rowan added that the U.S. has been the largest recipient of foreign direct investment over the past three years and is expected to stay at the top spot this year as well.
Rowan and other panelists also identified energy and data centers needed for artificial intelligence and digitization as growth sectors requiring more capital.
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"This environment has been one where, if you are in the business of allocating capital, its been great, he said, adding that the group was now gearing up to get into raising capital mode.
[B]That is the hallmark of a growing and thriving economy,[/b] which is where the classic underwriting and mergers and acquisitions businesses take hold, he said.
Solomon predicted that these trends would see more robust capital raising and M&A activity in 2025.[/QUOTE]I'm sure Trump's nominee for Secretary of the Treasury is too much of an unappreciative coward to say it as is Larry Summers. But I will say it:
Thanks, Joe, Kamala and the Dems.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2961245]Why jack with X? You have to sign up for an account, login, do a search to find something that gets your juices flowing, and so on. Instead you could just flop down in an easy chair, turn on your TV, and watch MSNBC! You'll find lots of lies, slander, anti-crap and mis / disinformation! And Rachel, Lawrence, Joy and Chris will do a much better job of spewing, parroting, eating up and promoting than any two bit amateurs on X!.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, cause it's so much better being lied to, over and over and over again, taking it up the wazoo, by Russia's most useful on air personalities, over at FOXY Muse [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
What, you mean the gullible and amiable pundits, Sean Hannity, Jesse Watters, Laura Ingraham, Brent Biaer and others, who love to spew and parrot Russian tales of laptop dick pics, bad purple dinosaurs and Jewish space lasers and wouldn't dream of turning down a conspiracy, even if it was said to have came from Mother Goose.
I have no doubt you, Repubs, love being lied to on the regular, by a "news" corporation, that's paid $787 Million in law suit fines for doing what they, notoriously do best...LIE!
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2961245]And yes dear Spidy, X is much more consistent with American principles of free speech than other platforms like Facebook! It doesn't censor as much since Musk took over.[/QUOTE] That's a joke, right! Free speech on X, is that what Elon promised you! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
Meantime, naturally MAGA Nation, will continue to believe anything being pushed through that grotesque pipeline sludge of mis/disinformation that is X, and call it factual and accurate "news".
Well Tiny 12, one thing is for sure, X, will continue to be [i][b]a great way to hype deportation immigration numbers [/b] (just like Repubs hyped the initial fake illegal immigration numbers)[/i], through social media to get your gullible MAGA base, all fired up to make it look like, "tens of millions" are being deporting, without having to actually find, come up with and actually deport, all those "tens of millions" of so called illegals. IT A PRETTY NEAT TRICK!
So just like your MAGA Nation was bamboozled into thinking there were 20, 30, 40+ million of illegals, told to you, since [i][b]"it was written on X",[/b][/i] with the stroke of a keyboard, those very same illegals [u]can easily just as well, disappear with the stroke of a keyboard[/u] and a few well placed online influences and disinformation peddlers, thereby bringing the gullible MAGA masses into line and believing, said deportation lies. Et Voilΰ! Deportation of millions solved!
[u]Tens of Millions Flee X for Blue Sky:[/u]
But there's hope for those leaving X, by the millions and marching over to Blue Sky and others, as a bright and better alternative, to a hate spewing, anti-free speech, Nazi-sympathizer/loving, misogynistic and bigoted platform, such as X.
Trump and his Repub MAGAs have assured us the Biden Economy is NOT "resilient". It is "the worst economy ever" and must be "turned around" on Day One!
[B]Delta forecasts more sales growth in 2025 thanks to high-end demand, 'resilient economy'.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/delta-air-lines-investor-day.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Delta Air Lines forecast revenue growth in the mid-single digit percentage points next year, in line with analysts estimates.
The carrier expects to expand capacity by no more than 4% year-over-year in 2025.
The airline is the most profitable, but faces competition from United Airlines, whose shares have more than doubled this year.[/QUOTE]Surely, the only reason Delta is feeling good about the economy is because they have been designated the airline of choice to deport the millions upon millions of low cost nail and hair salon workers, farm workers, produce pickers, construction workers, landscapers, factory workers, maids, maintenance and janitorial workers, child care providers, etc, etc on January 20 to be replaced by much higher paid American citizens who show up for their jobs on January 22.
And maybe to fly the latter across the country to their new job sites too.
Otherwise, doesn't anybody at Delta know nobody in America has been able to afford an egg since January 21, 2021?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962261]If you received Medicare I'm pretty sure you would know its not free.[/QUOTE]I have qualified for, gotten my card for and had Medicare Part [B]A[/B] for the past 6 years with no bill or request for payment required of me. If there is some charge for certain procedures I have not had any reason to find out about it.
I assure you MY Medicare membership is 100% free.
You are probably thinking of Medicare Part [B]B[/B].
Which is something different and even less applicable to my living in Thailand than Medicare Part [B]A[/B].
If you are thinking of anything at all, that is.
Don't kill the messenger, but the 'very stable genius' appears to be wobbling:
[B]Trump Considering Non-Pro-Bitcoin Candidates for Treasury Secretary.
Nov. 19, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/16430380020521[/URL]
[QUOTE]President Trump is reevaluating his potential Treasury Secretary picks, moving away from crypto-friendly choices like Scott Bessent and Howard Lutnick.
The New York Times reports that Trump is now considering candidates less supportive of digital assets due to interpersonal issues. Lutnick's lobbying efforts and criticism of Bessent have reportedly irked Trump, leading him to explore other options.
Bessent and Lutnick, known for their favorable stance on crypto, could have significantly impacted the industry if appointed. The new contenders, Kevin Warsh and Marc Rowan, have varying views on cryptocurrencies.
Warsh supports a central bank digital currency, while Rowan has been skeptical about digital assets' role in the economy. Trump is intrigued by Warsh and plans to discuss the Treasury position with both candidates.
The outcome of this decision could have implications for the crypto sector. Read more AI-generated news on: https://app.chaingpt.org/news[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2962321]Yeah, cause it's so much better being lied to, over and over and over again, taking it up the wazoo, by Russia's most useful on air personalities, over at FOXY Muse [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
What, you mean the gullible and amiable pundits, Sean Hannity, Jesse Watters, Laura Ingraham, Brent Biaer and others, who love to spew and parrot Russian tales of laptop dick pics, bad purple dinosaurs and Jewish space lasers and wouldn't dream of turning down a conspiracy, even if it was said to have came from Mother Goose.
I have no doubt you, Repubs, love being lied to on the regular, by a "news" corporation, that's paid $787 Million in law suit fines for doing what they, notoriously do best...LIE!
That's a joke, right! Free speech on X, is that what Elon promised you! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
Meantime, naturally MAGA Nation, will continue to believe anything being pushed through that grotesque pipeline sludge of mis/disinformation that is X, and call it factual and accurate "news".
Well Tiny 12, one thing is for sure, X, will continue to be [i][b]a great way to hype deportation immigration numbers [/b] (just like Repubs hyped the initial fake illegal immigration numbers)[/i], through social media to get your gullible MAGA base, all fired up to make it look like, "tens of millions" are being deporting, without having to actually find, come up with and actually deport, all those "tens of millions" of so called illegals. IT A PRETTY NEAT TRICK!
So just like your MAGA Nation was bamboozled into thinking there were 20, 30, 40+ million of illegals, told to you, since [i][b]"it was written on X",[/b][/i] with the stroke of a keyboard, those very same illegals [u]can easily just as well, disappear with the stroke of a keyboard[/u] and a few well placed online influences and disinformation peddlers, thereby bringing the gullible MAGA masses into line and believing, said deportation lies. Et Voil! Deportation of millions solved!
[u]Tens of Millions Flee X for Blue Sky:[/u]
But there's hope for those leaving X, by the millions and marching over to Blue Sky and others, as a bright and better alternative, to a hate spewing, anti-free speech, Nazi-sympathizer/loving, misogynistic and bigoted platform, such as X.[/QUOTE]Look at it this way Spidy. Say every night the Marquis wakes up about 2:00 AM. He puts on his slippers and his housecoat, and ambles on out of his house and into the neighborhood. He looks for a house with a "Kamala Harris for President" sign and takes a big dump, right beside the sign. You don't want the Marquis to one up you, so you start doing the same thing. Every night you set your alarm for 2:00 AM and go find some neighbor with a Trump sign and plant a loaf in his yard.
Well, you're better than that, and so is the Marquis.
The point is that Laura Ingraham and Judge Jeanine Pirro may spew tales, but so do Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow. They're all frequently full of shit. And Kamala Harris shouldn't be calling to censor Trump from Twitter, as she did, any more than Trump should propose that the FCC pull ABC's broadcasting license. This is obvious to us Libertarian Republicans, Bothsiders, Neithersiders, and Joe Manchin / Kyrsten Sinema Democrats. Maybe it's not though to the MAGA and farther-left-of-center Democrat crowds.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962183][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/musk-gaetz-ag/2024/11/19/id/1188645/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/19/paper-shredding-truck-appears-outside-doj-after-gaetz-nomination/[/URL]
I'm hoping for at least a recess appointment.
You've read 3 biographies of Trump? Why? You don't even like him, let me guess you read "authors" that didn't even like him and did.
Typical left wing hit jobs, like the media " presidential historians" LMAO.
Did you read the one by Sir Conrad Black by any chance, I'm guessing you wouldn't dare.
Would it be ok if we just call you Liz here? Liz is that really you?
"If you just compare Trump and Joe Biden on issues of character" so you think taking kickbacks from the CCP is ok? He really belongs in Florence, but that's why your type hates him so much.
He can't be bought like a cheap puta ala Scumbag Bubba Scumbag Barry Hussein Scumbag Joe and the Junkie Bagman.
I hope whoever runs the DOJ next investigates the Pelosi insider trading Duo.
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/teary-eyed-nancy-pelosi-arrives-see-kamala-harris-concede-presidential-race-howard-university[/URL]
Scroll down to the foto of her crying, I'm guessing she's shitting her pants LMAO.[/QUOTE]If you want me to spell it out, Trump regularly screwed his vendors, his customers, his banks, his investors and his bondholders. He even screwed his brothers and sisters, by syphoning money from his father and his father's estate. He screwed the IRS on estate taxes. He fucked a porn star and carried on a relationship with a Playboy Playmate while his wife was pregnant and nursing. He lies, even more than Biden, who himself is a frequent liar and plagiarizer. He lies knowing it's not true to degrade people or pursue his business and political interests. His claims that Barrack Obama wasn't born in the USA, Ted Cruz's father played a part in assassinating JFK, and Heidi Cruz is an ugly dog are examples. OK, Heidi may actually be ugly but he didn't have to say that.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962333]Trump and his Repub MAGAs have assured us the Biden Economy is NOT "resilient". It is "the worst economy ever" and must be "turned around" on Day One![/QUOTE]Oh God, Loony Tooms, you do not get there are two economies. The rich who had assets kicked ass under Biden. Hell, that is even in your report.
Delta said just 43% of its revenue this year comes from main cabin tickets, with 57% of it generated by premium seats and its lucrative loyalty program.
Meanwhile, you have the poorer folks without assets. Again, from YOUR source, . Target on Wednesday cut its profit forecast. Its chief operating officer blamed a "deceleration in discretionary demand" and higher costs.
In addition, Spirit Airlines just filed for bankruptcy. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/spirit-airlines-bankruptcy-debt-losses-782c7fb892adf1d2f366411bab955668[/URL].
Loony Tooms, you keep cherry picking economic data. For most people, the economy sucks. If it did not, Trump would not have won. The bullshit attempt to keep lying to people about how great they have done under Biden failed miserably.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962183]
I hope whoever runs the DOJ next investigates the Pelosi insider trading Duo.
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/teary-eyed-nancy-pelosi-arrives-see-kamala-harris-concede-presidential-race-howard-university[/URL]
Scroll down to the foto of her crying, I'm guessing she's shitting her pants LMAO.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Gaetz has had no issues with calling out his fellow pols on insider trading. He is one of the few that has a spine. Polymarket has him up at 42% for getting in.
Did you see the deep state hacked into Congress and got the file on Gaetz that was supposed to be sealed? It is amazing how easy that is, and yet we still do not know squat about the federal warrant approved to raid Trump's home.
The democrats did not pay attention to the crypto vote. They lost. Maybe if they need more votes to win they should have pay less attention to dick politics and more attention to the crypto vote.
It has been proffered that Trump is not going to make a difference in crypto policy in the United States of America.
[I]The cryptocurrency industrys leading super PACs plowed $131 million into congressional races this election cycle to help elect dozens of pro-crypto lawmakers, while individual billionaires with crypto interests spent millions to help return Donald Trump to the White House.
Now, they are determined to change how Washington treats their business.
Goals include ensuring Trump selects a crypto-friendly Securities and Exchange Commission chair to replace Gary Gensler, whose aggressive enforcement actions during the Biden administration enraged cryptocurrency CEOs. Industry groups are also lobbying Congress to pass a regulatory framework that they say is needed to pull crypto into the mainstream of the US financial system.
The industry could be well-positioned heading into the new session of Congress. A tracker run by a group called Stand with Crypto said 274 pro-crypto candidates had been elected to the House and 20 to the Senate this cycle. Crypto super PACs spent heavily on Republicans as well as key Democrats, including two who won open seats in the US Senate, Elissa Slotkin in Michigan and Ruben Gallego in Arizona.[/I]
[I]On day one, I will fire Gary Gensler
In public remarks for months, Trump has promised to unseat U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Gary Gensler.
On day one, I will fire Gary Gensler, Trump said, referencing the Joe Biden-appointed SEC chairman*who has taken an aggressive approach to crypto regulation.
The president does not have the power to fire the SEC chair. Even if Trump were to appoint a new chairman, Gensler would remain a commissioner on the independent agency.
Gensler has brought more than 100 actions against crypto firms during his tenure at the helm of the commission. In multiple interviews, the SEC chair has said he believes much of the industry already belongs under its jurisdiction, and its lawsuits are simply bringing the sector under compliance.
Crypto firms argue that the recent legal battles havent given the regulatory clarity the industry has been seeking, and they instead reflect a gross overreach by the commission.
Trump also vowed to create a bitcoin and crypto presidential advisory council.
The rules will be written by people who love your industry, not hate your industry, he said.
[b]Trump has expressly spoken out about his qualms with Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who is widely viewed by the crypto community as an existential threat[/b].[/I]
Democrats are enemies of crypto. Would the crypto vote helped losing democratic candidates? I don't know. But one thing is for sure, being anti crypto left the crypto with only one choice for the presidency of the United States of America.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962261]If you received Medicare I'm pretty sure you would know its not free.[/QUOTE]What kind of deadbeat lives off the largesse and incomparable benefits America has to offer yet has somehow managed to avoid working for a living a total of at least a measly 10 years /40 calender quarters by the time they turn 65?
Sheesh. No wonder I had no idea any normal person would have to pay for Medicare Part [B]A[/B] by the time they turned 65 since I met the 10 years of work requirement and became eligible for FREE Medicare in my retirement years by the time I turned 23!
[B]Eligibility for premium-free Part A if you are over 65 and Medicare-eligible:[/B]
[URL]https://www.medicareinteractive.org/get-answers/medicare-health-coverage-options/original-medicare-costs/eligibility-for-premium-free-part-a-if-you-are-over-65-and-medicare-eligible[/URL]
[QUOTE]Medicare Part A is free if you:
Have at least 40 calendar quarters of work in any job where you paid Social Security taxes in the U.S.
Are eligible for Railroad Retirement benefits
Or, have a spouse that qualifies for premium-free Part A
You may also be eligible for premium-free Part A if you were a federal employee anytime after December 31, 1982, or a state or local employee anytime after March 31, 1986.[/QUOTE]Don't worry. Even if you are in your mid-50's it's not too late to finally start contributing enough to the USA economy before you reach age 65 to achieve that pathetically minimal requirement to get FREE Medicare. Give it some consideration. Joe Biden has sure as hell PRODUCED enough well-paying jobs for you to find one somewhere.
But I would hurry if I were you. If Donald Trump inadvertently actually keeps a campaign promise for once in his life, it could be that the only jobs available to American citizens after the Big Deportation and Incarceration Jamboree of January 20,2025 will be filling those vacant farm worker, produce picker, maid, janitorial and nail and hair salon worker positions.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2962383]If you want me to spell it out, Trump regularly screwed his vendors, his customers, his banks, his investors and his bondholders. He even screwed his brothers and sisters, by syphoning money from his father and his father's estate. He screwed the IRS on estate taxes. He fucked a porn star and carried on a relationship with a Playboy Playmate while his wife was pregnant and nursing. He lies, even more than Biden, who himself is a frequent liar and plagiarizer. He lies knowing it's not true to degrade people or pursue his business and political interests. His claims that Barrack Obama wasn't born in the USA, Ted Cruz's father played a part in assassinating JFK, and Heidi Cruz is an ugly dog are examples. OK, Heidi may actually be ugly but he didn't have to say that.[/QUOTE]I never liked him until he descended down the golden escalator and after opening his big mouth I instantly told everyone I would bet them 50 k he's the next POTUS, I don't want a coward to run the free world how has that worked out? Just look at Barry Hussein, the international community loved him, they love the weak, and the poor so easily to buy, I want a cutt throat business man representing me.
I don't want a nice / weak guy neither does the rest of America, not to mention I've dealt with guys that are excessively polite and soft spoken they are the least untrustworthy cocksuckers on the planet.
Espec if they carry their Bible around, they will ass fuck you with a smile and a polite voice, he is the perfect man for the Job and you know it and that's why you don't like him, we need a ball busting.
Loud mouthed Alpha to destroy the likes of Tiny12 and company (the traitors of the American people).
I remember driving a month before election day 2016 listening to NPR they were carrying a live Scumbag Bubba in drag rally.
And he said Trump wants much less immigration, I SAY NOOOOOOOO we need more, much more!!
At that point polls were close and I was still 99% sure he would prevail, but I shut off the radio in full bliss!! I said to myself ITS OVER, he WON!! And he DID!!
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seeds-social-revolution-extreme-wealth-inequality[/URL]
Here's a great read for you!!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2962239]Right!
[B]The Anti-Semitic Revolution on the American Right[/B]
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/anti-semitism-american-right-wing/679992[/URL]
[B]Tucker Carlson and the danger of antisemitism[/B]
[URL]https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tucker-carlson-and-the-danger-of-antisemitism[/URL]
[B]Americas dark history of organized anti-Semitism re-emerges in todays far-right groups[/B]
[URL]https://theconversation.com/americas-dark-history-of-organized-anti-semitism-re-emerges-in-todays-far-right-groups-106292[/URL]
And there is at least one study that's also not in favor of the Horseshoe theory, but for entirely different reasons.
[B]The far left and far right are equally antisemitic? A new study suggests otherwise[/B]
[URL]https://forward.com/fast-forward/549006/jews-far-left-far-right-antisemitic-study[/URL][/QUOTE]I read NYT Newsmax Breitbart and National Review daily.
I would say unequivocally the NYT has Jew hatred in its pages and the others do not.
Most writers and editors at those are very Jewish, did you know Andrew Breitbart was Jewish, his wife is still part owner.
Newsmax and NR are very very Pro Jew, I would never say that about the NYT (owned by Jews).
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/university-of-california-jewish-medical/2024/11/20/id/1188775/[/URL]
Please show me where theres a right wing hospital in this huge country that hates Jews? I'm sure you can't.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962354]I have qualified for, gotten my card for and had Medicare Part [B]A[/B] for the past 6 years with no bill or request for payment required of me. If there is some charge for certain procedures I have not had any reason to find out about it.
I assure you MY Medicare membership is 100% free.
You are probably thinking of Medicare Part [B]B[/B].
Which is something different and even less applicable to my living in Thailand than Medicare Part [B]A[/B].
If you are thinking of anything at all, that is.[/QUOTE]Thinking of anything at all? Yes if ET is writing on ISG its full of BULLSHIT.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/20/bill-clinton-dems-cant-keep-asserting-that-things-are-great-in-the-economy-thats-not-true/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/kamala-harris-vacation-hawaii/2024/11/20/id/1188776/[/URL]
They are going to spend some of that CUCK money, she's celebrating her curb stomping, THANKS CUCKS!!
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/carnival-of-fools/morning-joe-kneels-before-zod/[/URL]
Thanks Scumbag Joe #2.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2962383]If you want me to spell it out, Trump regularly screwed his vendors, his customers, his banks, his investors and his bondholders. He even screwed his brothers and sisters, by syphoning money from his father and his father's estate. He screwed the IRS on estate taxes. He fucked a porn star and carried on a relationship with a Playboy Playmate while his wife was pregnant and nursing. He lies, even more than Biden, who himself is a frequent liar and plagiarizer. He lies knowing it's not true to degrade people or pursue his business and political interests. His claims that Barrack Obama wasn't born in the USA, Ted Cruz's father played a part in assassinating JFK, and Heidi Cruz is an ugly dog are examples. OK, Heidi may actually be ugly but he didn't have to say that.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/20/rand-paul-huge-mistake-if-trump-uses-the-military-for-deportation/[/URL]
Military personnel scooping up all the illegal aliens isn't who we are? NO THATS EXACTLY WHO WE ARE!
I also propose we start digging up the dead ones for repatriation also.
I love the Hispanics, espec the Venezuelans but they all must go home NOW!!
[URL]https://www.ice.gov/tipline[/URL]#text=ICE%20 Tip%20 Line%3 A%20866%2 DDHS%2 D2%2 DICE%20%7 C%20 ICE.
As MAGA deplorables here, celebrate the vile AG nomination of Matt Gaetz, an accused sexual offender, with misconduct allegations of having sex with a minor (17 yrs old) at sex party, according to the overwhelmingly damning evidence, Venmo & PayPal receipts and testimonial evidence from both girls directly involved and several others people who knew, that are detailed in the bipartisan House Ethics Committee (HEC) report.
From the yet to be released HEC report, it's clear the evidence is so damning and speaks for itself, as it apparently reports, I think, that Matt Gaetz is indeed a pedophile and unfit for office.
[b]So I have to ask you MAGA/Repubs...WTF are thinking,[/b] championing a pedophile and clearly, an unfit candidate, for any office, let alone for the top position of AG? I mean, Trump is bad, vile and terrible, but not this BAD, VILE, TERRIBLE and DISGUSTING!
What now? Let's just normalize, every Repub sexual abuser and sexual misconduct miscreant that comes into office? I mean, talk about normalizing disgusting bad behavior, from the top down. But I guess, when Repubs, have a sexual offender and criminal for a President-elect, why stop there? Was this the reason you think Gaetz, crawled on bent knee, to Trump, seeking a pardon?
Strangely enough I did enjoy something MTG had to say for a change, when she blasted Repubs with the scintillating threat, of releasing Jeffrey Epstein files, if ethics report was released. You GO GIRL!
[b]Marjorie Taylor Greene threatens GOP colleagues over Gaetz report: 'Let's all dance'[/b]
[url]https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/marjorie-taylor-greene-threatens-gop-colleagues-over-gaetz-report-let-s-all-dance-224926277884[/URL]
[QUOTE] Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene has resorted to threatening members of her own party who want the Matt Gaetz ethics report released. [b]If we're going to dance, let's all dance in the sunlight, says Greene.[/b] [/QUOTE]
[b]MTG Threatens to Reveal 'Secretly Settled' GOP Sexual Assault Claims and Jeffrey Epstein Files If Matt Gaetz Ethics Report Is Released[/b] [URL]https://flipboard.com/@okmagazine/latest-celebrity-news-nldo8hm8z/-/a-JWN2z39TSoOsqYd2IasHTQ%3Aa%3A3477624312-%2F0[/URL]
Now that's a ugly pelvic bumping, Repub tango dance "in the sunlight", worth seeing, even if it is [b]Moscow Marjorie,[/b] aka.Capital Hill Karen, aka.Cruella DeVil on the Hill, taking the lead in said ugly dance. [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
$58 for a classic Thanksgiving Dinner for 10 with all the trimmings sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Of course, my reference on this might be a tad scewed in that replicating that particular feast in the Land of Smiles Thailand, as uncommon as some of those items can be, would set 1 person back around $30 in a restaurant. I suppose less than that if I bought all that stuff at Tops Market and prepared it myself at home. Which I am not going to do.
Then again, I don't see bacon or eggs on this list of items. And Trump had been griping and whining about Biden's Envy of the World, Remarkably good and strong economy being so bad, the worst economy ever, that nobody can buy eggs, bacon or anything else.
Has he been fibbing about that just so he could squeak into a 2nd term and give his #1 campaign donor poor "Elonia" Musk another tax cut?
I wonder.
[B]Thanksgiving meals are expected to be cheaper in 2024 as turkey prices drop[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/thanksgiving-meals-may-be-cheaper-in-2024-as-turkey-prices-drop.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]A "classic Thanksgiving meal for 10 will cost about $58 in 2024, roughly 5% less than 2023, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation.
Turkey prices had the largest impact on that decline.
Food inflation overall has decreased significantly from pandemic-era highs.
...........
A classic Thanksgiving feast for a party of 10 will cost $58.08 in 2024, on average down 5% from 2023 and down 9% from 2022, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation, a trade group for farmers and ranchers.
Its analysis includes turkey, cubed stuffing, sweet potatoes, dinner rolls, frozen peas, fresh cranberries, celery, carrots, pumpkin pie mix and crusts, whipping cream and whole milk.[/QUOTE]It is nice to see the cost of food declining so steadily over the past 2 years after it began its skyrocket increase since 2018 due to Trump's failed Trade War tariffs on the American Consumer were enacted.
Thanks, Joe, Kamala and the Dems. Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
Oh, on a related matter, I see the Average Price of a Gallon of Regular Gas has continued its historic steady decline under Biden to where it is now about $3, roughly 10 cents more than it was in mid-2019, five and a half years ago under Trump at the height of his ok but still below average $Trillions added to the deficit economy pre Trump's Pandemic worldwide economic Crash and Mass Murder.
Which I think is, what, something like an annual rate of 0. 5% inflation for it since then? But please keep that Mainstream Media secret to yourself and don't tell anybody. LOL.
See screenshot below.
Now, some of you might be wondering how in the world the price of gas can continue to steadily decline in the midst of all that turmoil and flare up tensions in the Middle East and between Russia and Ukraine, wars that Biden has not plunged America into as a Repub might but between other countries. I mean, shouldn't the price of gas in the USA be skyrocketing right now under Biden like the price of food and restaurant menu items did beginning in 2018 under Trump?
Nope. Here is one big reason why the price of gas isn't skyrocketing in the USA under Biden:
[B]How Joe Biden 'broke OPEC' and rewrote the rules for oil trading.[/B]
[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/how-joe-biden-broke-opec-and-rewrote-the-rules-for-oil-trading-212500037935[/URL]
More thanks to you, Joe, Kamala and the Dems.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2962460]As MAGA deplorables here, celebrate the vile AG nomination of Matt Gaetz, an accused sexual offender, with misconduct allegations of having sex with a minor (17 yrs old) at sex party, according to the overwhelmingly damning evidence, Venmo & PayPal receipts and testimonial evidence from both girls directly involved and several others people who knew, that are detailed in the bipartisan House Ethics Committee (HEC) report.
From the yet to be released HEC report, it's clear the evidence is so damning and speaks for itself, as it apparently reports, I think, that Matt Gaetz is indeed a pedophile and unfit for office.
[b]So I have to ask you MAGA/Repubs...WTF are thinking,[/b] championing a pedophile and clearly, an unfit candidate, for any office, let alone for the top position of AG? I mean, Trump is bad, vile and terrible, but not this BAD, VILE, TERRIBLE and DISGUSTING!
What now? Let's just normalize, every Repub sexual abuser and sexual misconduct miscreant that comes into office? I mean, talk about normalizing disgusting bad behavior, from the top down. But I guess, when Repubs, have a sexual offender and criminal for a President-elect, why stop there? Was this the reason you think Gaetz, crawled on bent knee, to Trump, seeking a pardon?
Strangely enough I did enjoy something MTG had to say for a change, when she blasted Repubs with the scintillating threat, of releasing Jeffrey Epstein files, if ethics report was released. You GO GIRL!
[b]Marjorie Taylor Greene threatens GOP colleagues over Gaetz report: 'Let's all dance'[/b]
[url]https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/marjorie-taylor-greene-threatens-gop-colleagues-over-gaetz-report-let-s-all-dance-224926277884[/URL]
[b]MTG Threatens to Reveal 'Secretly Settled' GOP Sexual Assault Claims and Jeffrey Epstein Files If Matt Gaetz Ethics Report Is Released[/b] [URL]https://flipboard.com/@okmagazine/latest-celebrity-news-nldo8hm8z/-/a-JWN2z39TSoOsqYd2IasHTQ%3Aa%3A3477624312-%2F0[/URL]
Now that's a ugly pelvic bumping, Repub tango dance "in the sunlight", worth seeing, even if it is [b]Moscow Marjorie,[/b] aka.Capital Hill Karen, aka.Cruella DeVil on the Hill, taking the lead in said ugly dance. [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE][URL]https://dailystormer.in/matt-gaetz-paid-two-adult-women-who-were-once-children-for-sex-the-women-allege/[/URL]
[URL]https://dailystormer.in/yonder-****-tells-court-she-had-sex-with-matt-gaetz-when-she-was-a-tiny-child-aged-a-mere-17-years/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962413]What kind of deadbeat lives off the largesse and incomparable benefits America has to offer yet has somehow managed to avoid working for a living a total of at least a measly 10 years /40 calender quarters by the time they turn 65?
Sheesh. No wonder I had no idea any normal person would have to pay for Medicare Part [B]A[/B] by the time they turned 65 since I met the 10 years of work requirement and became eligible for FREE Medicare in my retirement years by the time I turned 23!
[B]Eligibility for premium-free Part A if you are over 65 and Medicare-eligible:[/B]
[URL]https://www.medicareinteractive.org/get-answers/medicare-health-coverage-options/original-medicare-costs/eligibility-for-premium-free-part-a-if-you-are-over-65-and-medicare-eligible[/URL]
Don't worry. Even if you are in your mid-50's it's not too late to finally start contributing enough to the USA economy before you reach age 65 to achieve that pathetically minimal requirement to get FREE Medicare. Give it some consideration. Joe Biden has sure as hell PRODUCED enough well-paying jobs for you to find one somewhere.
But I would hurry if I were you. If Donald Trump inadvertently actually keeps a campaign promise for once in his life, it could be that the only jobs available to American citizens after the Big Deportation and Incarceration Jamboree of January 20,2025 will be filling those vacant farm worker, produce picker, maid, janitorial and nail and hair salon worker positions.[/QUOTE]Just give me a badge and a vest and I'm ready to serve!!
I will even do cemetery duty digging up the dead ones for repatriation!!
[URL]https://www.ice.gov/tipline[/URL]#text=ICE%20 Tip%20 Line%3 A%20866%2 DDHS%2 D2%2 DICE%20%7 see%20 ICE.
Allahu Akbar MOTHERFUCKERS!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2962393]Oh God, Loony Tooms, you do not get there are two economies. The rich who had assets kicked ass under Biden. Hell, that is even in your report.
Delta said just 43% of its revenue this year comes from main cabin tickets, with 57% of it generated by premium seats and its lucrative loyalty program.
Meanwhile, you have the poorer folks without assets. Again, from YOUR source, . Target on Wednesday cut its profit forecast. Its chief operating officer blamed a "deceleration in discretionary demand" and higher costs.
In addition, Spirit Airlines just filed for bankruptcy. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/spirit-airlines-bankruptcy-debt-losses-782c7fb892adf1d2f366411bab955668[/URL].
Loony Tooms, you keep cherry picking economic data. For most people, the economy sucks. If it did not, Trump would not have won. The bullshit attempt to keep lying to people about how great they have done under Biden failed miserably.[/QUOTE]So another couple of poorly managed business are struggling during Biden's roaring economy, historic jobs creation and purchasing power wage gains.
LOL. If Target's crap management is struggling now due to "higher prices", wtf are they going to do when Trump increases the cost of practically everything they sell by 10%, 20%, maybe 100% or 200% at Noon on January 20,2025 while half or more of their stock room and loading dock workers suddenly disappear?
And please explain how that will be oh so much better for lower income Americans than the ones sitting down for a full Thanksgiving Dinner with all the trimmings next week for less than $6?
The Classic. And a Bonus:
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2962393]Loony Tooms, you keep cherry picking economic data. For most people, the economy sucks. If it did not, Trump would not have won. The bullshit attempt to keep lying to people about how great they have done under Biden failed miserably.[/QUOTE]According to the final vote counts and the reports from the Muslim community leadership in PA, MI and WI, who would know better than anyone, this is the sole reason Trump squeaked by with one of the narrowest if not THE narrowest win of any 2nd term election potus candidate in history:
It was because less than 130,000 America-hating Muslims spread across just those three states shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as they sailed into the polling places and voted for Trump instead of Harris.
So far there is no indication or evidence that any of them cared much at all about trannies, pronouns, the cost of living, the price of food and gas or crypto.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962417]I never liked him until he descended down the golden escalator and after opening his big mouth I instantly told everyone I would bet them 50 k he's the next POTUS, I don't want a coward to run the free world how has that worked out? Just look at Barry Hussein, the international community loved him, they love the weak, and the poor so easily to buy, I want a cutt throat business man representing me.
I don't want a nice / weak guy neither does the rest of America, not to mention I've dealt with guys that are excessively polite and soft spoken they are the least untrustworthy cocksuckers on the planet.
Espec if they carry their Bible around, they will ass fuck you with a smile and a polite voice, he is the perfect man for the Job and you know it and that's why you don't like him, we need a ball busting.
Loud mouthed Alpha to destroy the likes of Tiny12 and company (the traitors of the American people).
I remember driving a month before election day 2016 listening to NPR they were carrying a live Scumbag Bubba in drag rally.
And he said Trump wants much less immigration, I SAY NOOOOOOOO we need more, much more!!
At that point polls were close and I was still 99% sure he would prevail, but I shut off the radio in full bliss!! I said to myself ITS OVER, he WON!! And he DID!!
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seeds-social-revolution-extreme-wealth-inequality[/URL]
Here's a great read for you!![/QUOTE]I've been in business with two narcissist assholes like Trump and I'll be damned if I'll vote for someone like them for President of the United States. Or for a sanctimonious, arrogant, self righteous asshole like Obama. Or somebody like Biden who wants to take the USA down the same road as France.
You're a poster boy for your horseshoe theory. You love Biden on the economy. And what Trump purports to be on social issues.
Trump however is yanking your chain. He agrees more with me than he does with you. He's very pro abortion (he said so) and doesn't give a crap what bathroom a trannie uses.
It's hilarious that you think I'm an American traitor. All I do is post on a wh*r* board. I've never hired an undocumented immigrant, and only paid a few pissant consulting fees to foreigners who live outside the USA. Trump on the other hand knowingly employs illegals and contractors who use illegals, to cut costs. And doesn't give a damn if they work "12 hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, it at all. ".
[URL]https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers?srsltid=AfmBOoo_oPKyICfk2y1Whx_73PEerP2KgU4HYLPMl4G0yLzNSCcmFNfQ[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/05/17/donald-trump-undocumented-immigrant-employees-kaye-dnt-ac360-vpx.cnn[/URL]
"Espec if they carry their Bible around, they will ass fuck you with a smile and a polite voice".
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John%27s_Church[/URL]
Based on my clear memory of both retailers and the reminders I get on YouTube videos, I never would have concluded that Walmart shoppers are wealthier than Target shoppers.
But they must be.
Either that, or the smarter management at Walmart has simply figured out how to sell an egg to their customers without losing money while the dumber management at Target has not:
[B]Walmart hits new highs and Target dives, painting a confusing holiday picture.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/walmart-wmt-and-target-tgt-earnings-show-mixed-performance.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962470][b] Sign me up, I will work for free!! Just give me a badge and a vest and I'm ready to serve!![/b]
I will even do cemetery duty digging up the dead ones for repatriation!!
[URL]https://www.ice.gov/tipline[/URL]#text=ICE%20 Tip%20 Line%3 A%20866%2 DDHS%2 D2%2 DICE%20%7 see%20 ICE..[/QUOTE]You could never pass a Security Check. And neither could Donald Trump, most of his family and at least half of his Cabinet nominees. Not even for free.
I see you wearing a duku, picking up and tossing heads of lettuce into the cargo bed of a pickup truck. Good luck.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962493]According to the final vote counts and the reports from the Muslim community leadership in PA, MI and WI, who would know better than anyone, this is the sole reason Trump squeaked by with one of the narrowest if not THE narrowest win of any 2nd term election potus candidate in history:
It was because less than 130,000 America-hating Muslims spread across just those three states shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as they sailed into the polling places and voted for Trump instead of Harris.[/QUOTE]And then there is the truth, [URL]https://www.voanews.com/a/in-historic-shift-american-muslim-and-arab-voters-desert-democrats/7854995.html[/URL].
A nationwide exit poll of more than 1,300 voters by the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) found that significantly less than 50% of Muslim voters backed Harris. That compares with an estimated 65% to 70% that reportedly voted for President Joe Biden in 2020.
But going into the election, its polling indicated that the Arab vote would be split 42% to 41% between Trump and Harris, and Zogby said the election result likely reflected that chasm.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today released the first set of results from its 2024 exit poll of 1,575 verified American Muslim voters.
[URL]https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-exit-poll-of-muslim-voters-reveals-surge-in-support-for-jill-stein-and-donald-trump-steep-decline-for-harris/[/URL]
The national results show Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein received 53% of the Muslim vote, followed by President-elect Donald Trump with 21% and Vice President Kamala Harris with 20%.
Yeah, thanks for showing everyone who really belongs to the party of intolerance.
Hey, guess what. Target's major earnings miss had zero to do with any bullshit about Americans "suffering under Biden's terrible economy. "
Nope.
What happened was Target's crap management made a couple of huge mistakes:
1. They stocked up on inventory earlier in the year on the bet that they would have stock on hand for Christmas but Walmart would not and they would smoke Walmart on sales with all the bragging rights that go with it.
2. They fell for the Trump / MAGA / Mainstream Media total bullshit that President Joe Biden "can't talk, can't walk, doesn't know who he is, doesn't know where he is, doesn't know what to do" when the fact is the reason Target's crap management got #1 up there so wrong was because they had no idea how lucid, cognitively capable, fast, smart, well informed, fully prepared, shrewd and effective President Joe Biden would be at negotiating a damn quick settlement of the dock worker's strike that would have crippled American commerce while Target management was betting on it going on and on just in time for them to gouge their customers at a time of low inventories and beat Walmart on the books.
[B]Target's recent imports data tells the real story behind massive earnings miss.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/21/target-big-earnings-miss-consumer-demand-decline.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Target executives cited the recent U.S. ports strike and need to bring goods ahead of it as a factor in its big earnings miss on Wednesday, due to elevated freight costs and overly stocked stores.
Trade data reviewed by CNBC shows Target imported a level of goods this year across key months in advance of the strike that was similar to 2023′s peak shipping season, essentially flat to down in the overall number of cargo containers.
The data also shows that the value of goods Target imported was higher than at Walmart by $1.2 billion, reinforcing the real problem for the retailer: it missed on its forecast for consumer demand and price-point sensitivity.
............
After its biggest earnings miss in two years and stock plunge, Target laid some of the blame on the recent U.S. ports strike, citing higher freight costs it absorbed as a result of preemptive action to move more product into the U.S. ahead of October. But cargo container trade data reviewed by CNBC tells a more nuanced tale.
[B]The port strikes, which stretched from New England to Texas, wound up lasting only a few days, but many companies, including Target, had rerouted and pulled forward shipments, loading up on inventory to make sure they had the merchandise needed for the holiday season.[/b][/QUOTE]Lololol. This is who they were conned by Trump, MAGA and Mainstream Media into grossly underestimating:
[B]Bidens Amazing Win Settling the Dock Strike.
The terms are a total victory for dockworkers and for smooth supply chain operation, as the White House faced down exorbitant shipper profits. What would Trump have done?[/B]
[URL]https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-10-04-bidens-amazing-win-settling-dock-strike/[/URL]
[B]Biden helped end the dockers strike by saying reopening the ports to help Hurricane Helene victims would be patriotic.[/B]
[URL]https://fortune.com/2024/10/04/biden-dockers-strike-opening-ports-patriotic-hurricane-helene/[/URL]
Brilliant.
Competent.
Effective.
Great for America.
Thanks, Joe.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2962468][URL]https://dailystormer.in/matt-gaetz-paid-two-adult-women-who-were-once-children-for-sex-the-women-allege/[/URL]
[URL]https://dailystormer.in/yonder-****-tells-court-she-had-sex-with-matt-gaetz-when-she-was-a-tiny-child-aged-a-mere-17-years/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're advocating in you last post, but I'm happy to report, that the cretin and accused pedo, sex trafficker, and sexual misconduct abuser, Gaetz, has withdrawn his nomination and won't be infecting the AG office with such corrupt, vile and disgusting behavior, that those here were glossing over as somehow better than Hunter Biden!
[b]Gaetz withdraws as Trump's pick for attorney general, averting confirmation battle in the Senate[/b] [url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gaetz-withdraws-as-trumps-pick-for-attorney-general/ar-AA1uvWnP[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2961719]So when it comes to the Attorney General, I want a guy who has been beaten up by law enforcement. He is the only one who will have the balls to carry out the reforms. The charges made against Gaetz pail in comparison to a corrupt FBI. We Republicans cannot risk having such corrupt Democrats, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2961966] Elvis, Admittedly, Hunter Biden is a poorer candidate for Attorney General than Matt Gaetz. In terms of legal background and experience they may be roughly equal. Gaetz though has the edge in character and emotional maturity. BUT WHY APPOINT EITHER ONE OF THEM?[/QUOTE]
[indent][i][b](....kkkk!)[/b][/i] What now? Laptop dick picks vs. Pedo and sex trafficking?[/indent]
[QUOTE=NBC News] Gaetz's path was mired by a series of allegations of sexual misconduct, [b]including sex with a minor at a 2017 party.[/b] On Thursday, NBC News learned from a source familiar that the House Ethics Committee, which had been investigating Gaetz, was told that [b]a 17-year-old girl had two sexual encounters with the then-congressman at the party. [/b] ...
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/matt-gaetz-withdraws-bid-attorney-general-sexual-misconduct-allegation-rcna181206[/URL][/QUOTE]
Like give me a fucking break already! Laptop dick picks vs. Pedo and sex trafficking. In what kind of depravity or sick frame of mind (psycho?), do you even have to be in, to attempt to even conflate the two as equivalent? Duh!
[b]Fact Check: Did Matt Gaetz Seek Trump Pardon Over Trafficking Allegation?[/b]
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-did-matt-gaetz-seek-trump-pardon-over-trafficking-allegation/ar-AA1uw6RK[/url]
Still can't forget how then Gaetz, ran to Trump on bent knee, for a pardon. We always speculated, what Trump had over Gaetz, and now we know what?
It will be interesting to see if Gaetz, is a teflon as Trump and raises from the ashes of pedo sexual depravity? [i][b](....kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2962585]And then there is the truth, [URL]https://www.voanews.com/a/in-historic-shift-american-muslim-and-arab-voters-desert-democrats/7854995.html[/URL].
A nationwide exit poll of more than 1,300 voters by the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) found that significantly less than 50% of Muslim voters backed Harris. That compares with an estimated 65% to 70% that reportedly voted for President Joe Biden in 2020.
But going into the election, its polling indicated that the Arab vote would be split 42% to 41% between Trump and Harris, and Zogby said the election result likely reflected that chasm.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today released the first set of results from its 2024 exit poll of 1,575 verified American Muslim voters.
[URL]https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-exit-poll-of-muslim-voters-reveals-surge-in-support-for-jill-stein-and-donald-trump-steep-decline-for-harris/[/URL]
The national results show Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein received 53% of the Muslim vote, followed by President-elect Donald Trump with 21% and Vice President Kamala Harris with 20%.
Yeah, thanks for showing everyone who really belongs to the party of intolerance.[/QUOTE]Where in your link or in your quotes are the parts that refute what the final vote counts in PA, MI and WI and the Muslim community leaders in those states reported as them "giving the election win" to Trump?
Not one word of your links did or could change the data, evidence and numbers.
Trump's razor-thin win was due solely to less than 130,000 votes going to Trump instead of Harris in just those 3 states, particularly among the Muslim demo. Got it.
And with the fully expected flip to Repub control of the Senate by 3 seats or so in this overwhelmingly Repub-advantaged Senate election year and the pitifully narrow and easily flippable next time Repub majority in the House as has been MSM's push, hope, desire and result for years and years now, there wasn't even more than a Red Tinkle to go with Trump's historically narrow win for a 2nd term presidential candidate.
No landslide.
No mandate.
No red wave.
No historic rejection of Dem anything.
It was coin-flip win for Trump AND his MAGA Repubs, at best.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/illegal-immigrant-rape/2024/11/21/id/1189038/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGs0XVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHZv2nUgFd8-Q5EDRBOnalOzqHxzIVkVrGnUbejB3nc2PErIXQUGMnBqO4g_aem_l7D5y1Yph1snx_iVKJ0h2g[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962682]Where in your link or in your quotes are the parts that refute what the final vote counts in PA, MI and WI and the Muslim community leaders in those states reported as them "giving the election win" to Trump?
Not one word of your links did or could change the data, evidence and numbers.
Trump's razor-thin win was due solely to less than 130,000 votes going to Trump instead of Harris in just those 3 states, particularly among the Muslim demo. Got it.
And with the fully expected flip to Repub control of the Senate by 3 seats or so in this overwhelmingly Repub-advantaged Senate election year and the pitifully narrow and easily flippable next time Repub majority in the House as has been MSM's push, hope, desire and result for years and years now, there wasn't even more than a Red Tinkle to go with Trump's historically narrow win for a 2nd term presidential candidate.
No landslide.
No mandate.
No red wave.
No historic rejection of Dem anything.
It was coin-flip win for Trump AND his MAGA Repubs, at best.[/QUOTE]Well, it may not have been a pummel. But the map shows a lot of red and ask yourself this. When is the last time Republicans had the trifecta?
[QUOTE=WestsideGuy89;2962830]Well, it may not have been a pummel. But the map shows a lot of red and ask yourself this. When is the last time Republicans had the trifecta?[/QUOTE]I believe the last time was 2016. Before that was 2004 I think.
Not so impossible.
And not coincidentally, each of those times preceded the two worst economic downturns within the next 4 years since a previous time it happened back in 1928.
Not exactly something anyone should be impressed by or ever, ever want to happen.
Unless it is a true landslide for the Dem, Electoral Maps always look like a sea of Red. That is because the states that typically go for the Repub are all about wide open spaces and land mass and not densely populated centers of business and commerce.
[QUOTE=WestsideGuy89;2962830]Well, it may not have been a pummel. But the map shows a lot of red and ask yourself this. When is the last time Republicans had the trifecta?[/QUOTE]The map always shows a lot of red based on how Republicans and Democrats are concentrated around the country. But, there is no denying that holding the White House and both houses of Congress is powerful. Still, I don't see a "mandate" for [B]everything[/B] Trump is talking about doing.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2962671]Not sure what you're advocating in you last post, but I'm happy to report, that the cretin and accused p***, sex trafficker, and sexual misconduct abuser, Gaetz, has withdrawn his nomination and won't be infecting the AG office with such corrupt, vile and disgusting behavior, that those here were glossing over as somehow better than Hunter Biden!
[b]Gaetz withdraws as Trump's pick for attorney general, averting confirmation battle in the Senate[/b] [url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gaetz-withdraws-as-trumps-pick-for-attorney-general/ar-AA1uvWnP[/URL]
[indent][i][b](....kkkk!)[/b][/i] What now? Laptop dick picks vs. P*** and sex trafficking?[/indent]
Like give me a fucking break already! Laptop dick picks vs. P*** and sex trafficking. In what kind of depravity or sick frame of mind (psycho?), do you even have to be in, to attempt to even conflate the two as equivalent? Duh!
[b]Fact Check: Did Matt Gaetz Seek Trump Pardon Over Trafficking Allegation?[/b]
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-did-matt-gaetz-seek-trump-pardon-over-trafficking-allegation/ar-AA1uw6RK[/url]
Still can't forget how then Gaetz, ran to Trump on bent knee, for a pardon. We always speculated, what Trump had over Gaetz, and now we know what?
It will be interesting to see if Gaetz, is a teflon as Trump and raises from the ashes of pedo sexual depravity? [i][b](....kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE]I honestly don't think you're a hypocrite Spidy. I think you're a Baiter. And not just any ordinary Baiter. You're a Master Baiter!
Close to 100% of the members on this board have paid women for sex and have had PFP sex while traveling, like Gaetz allegedly did. By your standards board members should be automatically disqualified from becoming Attorney General. Are you willing to give that up Spidy? Are you willing to renounce your chance for becoming Attorney General of the United States of America, ever? I don't think so.
Somehow if you travel with a sugar baby it's trafficking, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. And if you have sex with a woman who you think is 18 years old, but lied about her age and is marginally younger, then you're a P********. Well, you need to look up the definition of the "P" word, because there's no evidence whatsoever that Gaetz is one. Elvis made the case here.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2961751&highlight=Gaetz[/URL]#post2961751.
And I'll point out that Gaetz and Joel Greenberg allegedly met the women on Seeking Arrangement. You have to be 18 years old to be on that site, ergo any woman who's under the age of 18 who's on the site lied about her age.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962682]Where in your link or in your quotes are the parts that refute what the final vote counts in PA, MI and WI and the Muslim community leaders in those states reported as them "giving the election win" to Trump?
Not one word of your links did or could change the data, evidence and numbers.
Trump's razor-thin win was due solely to less than 130,000 votes going to Trump instead of Harris in just those 3 states, particularly among the Muslim demo. Got it.
And with the fully expected flip to Repub control of the Senate by 3 seats or so in this overwhelmingly Repub-advantaged Senate election year and the pitifully narrow and easily flippable next time Repub majority in the House as has been MSM's push, hope, desire and result for years and years now, there wasn't even more than a Red Tinkle to go with Trump's historically narrow win for a 2nd term presidential candidate.
No landslide.
No mandate.
No red wave.
No historic rejection of Dem anything.
It was coin-flip win for Trump AND his MAGA Repubs, at best.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962833]Unless it is a true landslide for the Dem, Electoral Maps always look like a sea of Red. That is because the states that typically go for the Repub are all about wide open spaces and land mass and not densely populated centers of business and commerce.[/QUOTE]They're all coin flips. There are no Democratic landslides at the federal level. The last president to get over 55% of the popular vote was Ronald Reagan.
Bill Clinton understood that. Unfortunately Barrack Obama and Joe Biden's progressive handlers never did. They were just too sanctimonious and arrogant to understand.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962833]I believe the last time was 2016. Before that was 2004 I think.
Not so impossible.
And not coincidentally, each of those times preceded the two worst economic downturns within the next 4 years since a previous time it happened back in 1928.
Not exactly something anyone should be impressed by or ever, ever want to happen.[/QUOTE]Well, 116,516 young American military men died after Woodrow Wilson was elected president. And 405,399 after a war that started under Franklin Delano Roosevelt. 36,574 during Harry Truman's Korean War, and 58,209 during LBJ's Vietnam War.
That's not exactly something anyone should be impressed by or ever, ever want to happen.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962005]I wouldn't be surprised if the final count in California and elsewhere places Trump with only a Plurality of the vote and not a Majority of the vote.
That would mean the majority of American votes was for "NOT Trump. ".[/QUOTE]Why is it that some blue states, counties and cities are so inefficient? It shouldn't take Californians weeks to count votes.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2962870]Well, 116,516 young American military men died after Woodrow Wilson was elected president. And 405,399 after a war that started under Franklin Delano Roosevelt. 36,574 during Harry Truman's Korean War, and 58,209 during LBJ's Vietnam War.
That's not exactly something anyone should be impressed by or ever, ever want to happen.[/QUOTE]It would have been so much better to have lost WWI, ignored Germany's declaration of War Against the USA in WWII, let the NAZIs win 80 years sooner and just sent unrequited love letters to the North Koreans, right?
All of those American deaths combined and we can include Eisenhower's Vietnam War and GW Bush's 9-11 Attack, War in Iraq and War in Afghanistan barely put a dent in Trump's Mass Murder of Americans by simply defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 against all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid and his next decision to spend critical year 2020 lying about the inevitable outcome of that previous horrific decision.
AND the spectacular, historic economic downturn that followed as night follows day and as he was warned about from the get-go.
But nice try.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2962872]Why is it that some blue states, counties and cities are so inefficient? It shouldn't take Californians weeks to count votes.[/QUOTE]All those little Red Counties work so hard to hide the few Dem ballots it takes a couple of extra weeks of treasure hunting to find and count them.
All states have until Dec. 11 to certify their votes. I'm sure that late date, more than a month after the election day, was not established just because of some mythical "Blue state inefficiency. ".
And the nation must always allow for the usual losing Repub candidates in Federal, State and Local elections to get all their whining, crying, lying and accusations of rigging and stealing out of their and the court system. California would always figure highly among the plum prizes in such a Repub scam. Kansas would not.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnyrtjVTt9I[/URL]
So it turns out that Trans Nigerian boxer with male chromosomes is a man with a micro penis and undescended testicles and had the testosterone levels of a man. Shocker right LOL? No need to tie in a Russian conspiracy to this, just people being fair and reasonable. Hopefully they make him relinquish his Olympic Gold and they award it to the silver medalist. I feel so bad for all the women whose dreams he selfishly shattered at the Olympics. Thank god Russians stood up to this. At least they are good for something.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962918]It would have been so much better to have lost WWI, ignored Germany's declaration of War Against the USA in WWII, let the NAZIs win 80 years sooner and just sent unrequited love letters to the North Koreans, right?
All of those American deaths combined and we can include Eisenhower's Vietnam War and GW Bush's 9-11 Attack, War in Iraq and War in Afghanistan barely put a dent in Trump's Mass Murder of Americans by simply defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 against all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid and his next decision to spend critical year 2020 lying about the inevitable outcome of that previous horrific decision.
AND the spectacular, historic economic downturn that followed as night follows day and as he was warned about from the get-go.
But nice try.[/QUOTE]There were 4550 American military members killed in Iraq and 2401 in Afghanistan. That's like a gnat on an elephant's ass compared to hundreds of thousands of Democrat war deaths. Bloodthirsty Democrats.
As you well know by now, my post was satirical. I believe correlations between the party of the president and (a) recessions and (b) American war deaths are mostly spurious. That is, coincidental. You can make a much stronger argument though that Roosevelt could have avoided U.S. involvement in World War II than you can that Trump could have avoided the 2020 recession and pandemic.
Vietnam was Eisenhower's war. Haha, yes, nice try. There were nine American fatal casualties in Vietnam during Eisenhower's terms.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2962966]There were 4550 American military members killed in Iraq and 2401 in Afghanistan. That's like a gnat on an elephant's ass compared to hundreds of thousands of Democrat war deaths. Bloodthirsty Democrats.
As you well know by now, my post was satirical. I believe correlations between the party of the president and (a) recessions and (b) American war deaths are mostly spurious. That is, coincidental. You can make a much stronger argument though that Roosevelt could have avoided U.S. involvement in World War II than you can that Trump could have avoided the 2020 recession and pandemic.
[B]Vietnam was Eisenhower's war. Haha, yes, nice try.[/b] There were nine American fatal casualties in Vietnam during Eisenhower's terms.[/QUOTE]If you can find any credible historical time-line for Eisenhower's Vietnam War that cites JFK or LBJ replacing the retreating French with USA Military in 1953/1954 and then spending the next 7 years trotting Diem around the country to sell the American people on the mindset that the Domino Theory (established by Ike) required the total USA commitment to fighting for and defending South Vietnam by word, deed and treaty, including harkening to images of USA war dead on the beaches of Normandy, all of which Ike did first and nobody else, and without using the word "expand" to accurately describe what JFK and LBJ did with Eisenhower's commitment to total War in Vietnam, I'll give you a cookie.
The fact that Ike "got out of dodge" right before the assassination of Diem and before Ike's maneuvering of American military personnel into harms way by land, sea and air as targets in that war until the inevitable strikes occurred that would force whoever took over from him to "expand" our military involvement in it is no different than when Trump "got out of dodge" just as his Pandemic viral spread had infected thousands more Americans, especially those who shunned vaccination on his insisting it was not necessary, only meant the majority of his American Mass Murder victims died after he was kicked out of office.
Disingenuous is too mild a word to use for that kind of argument.
Of course, Trump's American Mass Murder count is still just shy of the total number of American deaths in every military operation since the 1860 election of the first Repub president by 200,000 or 300,000 deaths, only because the number of American deaths under that first Repub was so astronomically high.
But with RFK Jr and Dr Oz on the mission, I am quite sure Trump's 2nd term has a damn good chance of seeing Trump succeed in beating that total number since 1860 by quite a lot.
And we'll probably get a historic shit storm of economic disaster even greater than the one he conjured up the first time around to boot.
A gentle reminder:
[B]1955 in the Vietnam War[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_in_the_Vietnam_War[/URL]#text=The%20 State%20 of%20 Vietnam%20 referendum, widely%20 known%20 as%20 South%20 Vietnam).
[QUOTE][b]8 to 11 May[/b]
During three days of talks in Paris among Dulles, French Prime Minister Edgar Faure, and the British, Faure proposed that both the U.S. and France withdraw from Vietnam because "Diệm is leading to a catastrophe." Dulles did not agree and indicated that the U.S. would continue to support Diệmeven if that support caused the French to withdraw from South Vietnam. [B]At this conference, in the words of historian Seth Jacobs, Vietnam became "America's war" rather than France's.[/b]15: 2115[/QUOTE]From that 1955 conference forward, there would only be an "expansion" or an "escalation" of Eisenhower's Vietnam War. It was no longer possible for any future USA president to "start" it or to "commit" us to it any more significantly by word, deed and treaty, whichever direction it went, than did Dwight Eisenhower. It would only change by matter of degree here and there, by the need to surge more troops into the region in order to finish it or to simply declare defeat, surrender and withdraw. Multiple subsequent presidents from both parties would find themselves having to choose one, the other or both.
However, none but Eisenhower could legitimately and accurately take credit or blame for turning it fully into America's War by word, deed and treaty.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2962867]Close to 100% of the members on this board have paid women for sex and have had PFP sex while traveling, like Gaetz allegedly did. By your standards board members should be automatically disqualified from becoming Attorney General. Are you willing to give that up Spidy? Are you willing to renounce your chance for becoming Attorney General of the United States of America, ever? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]Uh! Not sure where you're going that logic, but good luck with wherever you think it's going!
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2962867]Somehow if you travel with a sugar baby it's trafficking, punishable by up to 10 years in prison...
And I'll point out that Gaetz and Joel Greenberg allegedly met the women on Seeking Arrangement. You have to be 18 years old to be on that site, ergo any woman who's under the age of 18 who's on the site lied about her age.[/QUOTE]
Tiny 12, oddly enough, that was the failed Joel Greenberg's defense, [i]"...I didn't know she was 17-yrs old", [b](...kkkk!),[/b][/i] before being carted of to prison for 11 years, Greenberg plead guilty to having sex with a 17-yrs old, who he knew was being paid for sex.
Under the law, irrespective of whether Gaetz and Joel Greenberg, knew or didn't know she was 18 and she intentionally lied on some sugar daddy dating website, it doesn't matter one iota, in the eyes of the law. As an AG only needs to show, "reckless disregard", in not knowing, the women you were sex trafficking. Especially since it was dozens of "drug-fueled sex parties", and wasn't very difficult to prove with Greenberg.
It's still a mystery (but not really, under a Trump admin and Repub Florida AG, where the records for some unknown reasons, remain sealed) as to why Gaetz wasn't indicted or charge with many of the same sexual criminal counts that Greenberg was indicted on. Since prosecutes had learned that Gaetz had had paid sex with the a 17-yr old, twice (2x) within the span of a day, in 2017.
Why prosecutors didn't indict Gaetz, is all very Jeffery Epistein, don't you think? But Greenberg, was still, either thrown under the bus, or volunteered to fall on the grenade, since he was already going down on a long list of other related charges?
Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, keep defending and sympathizing with pedo, sex trafficking Gaetz and his long standing laundry list of sexual criminal activities, all you want, as your defense of pedo Gaetz, is just symptomatic of a larger Repub MAGA problem. That being, Trump, as a morally bankrupted president-elect.
[b]PS:[/b] BTW, I think Joel Greenberg, has already "ratted" Gaetz out as a pedo. Those sealed records/documents, once unsealed, are sure to be quite revealing, once a decent AG, actually files charges, against Gaetz this time.
Judging by all the Greenburg-Gaetz Venmo payments, this wasn't Gaetz's first 17 yr old rodeo, from a sugar daddy website. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/20/us/politics/matt-gaetz-venmo-payments-sex.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2962983]If you can find any credible historical time-line for Eisenhower's Vietnam War that cites JFK or LBJ replacing the retreating French with USA Military in 1953/1954 and then spending the next 7 years trotting Diem around the country to sell the American people on the mindset that the Domino Theory (established by Ike) required the total USA commitment to fighting for and defending South Vietnam by word, deed and treaty, including harkening to images of USA war dead on the beaches of Normandy, all of which Ike did first and nobody else, and without using the word "expand" to accurately describe what JFK and LBJ did with Eisenhower's commitment to total War in Vietnam, I'll give you a cookie.
The fact that Ike "got out of dodge" right before the assassination of Diem and before Ike's maneuvering of American military personnel into harms way by land, sea and air as targets in that war until the inevitable strikes occurred that would force whoever took over from him to "expand" our military involvement in it is no different than...[/QUOTE]Undoubtedly some Americans in the employ of our government have died in Ukraine. Russia says it's about 400, while the USA is coy. If Trump starts a nuclear conflict with Russia over Ukraine are you going to call it Biden's War?
Again, through 1960, Eisenhower's last full year in office, there were 9 American fatal casualties in Vietnam. Compare to 16,899, LBJ's last full year in office. (Republican Richard Nixon proceeded to wind down the war. There was only one death in 1974.).
[URL]https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics[/URL]
In 1960, there were 900 American servicemen and women in Vietnam. In 1968 there were 536,100.
[URL]https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=11&psid=3844[/URL]
If you're going to use your illogical reasoning, then Democrat Harry Truman is the one that got us into the Vietnam war:
"No sooner did the French arrive back in Vietnam, with the guns of World War II barely gone cold, than fighting broke out against Ho's Viet Minh forces. At first, the United States remained officially neutral, even as it avoided any contact with Ho. In 1947, however, Truman asserted that USA Foreign policy was to assist any country whose stability is threatened by communism. Then the outbreak of the Korean War in 1950, plus the flow of aid from China and the Soviet Union to the Viet Minh, prompted Truman to reexamine Vietnam in a Cold War light.
Fearing that Vietnam, too, would become a communist state, he sent over transport planes and jeeps, along with 35 military advisers, as part of a multimillion-dollar aid package.
USA Involvement in the conflict would only deepen from there. By the end of Truman's presidency, the United States was funding more than one-third of France's war costs. ".
[URL]https://www.history.com/news/us-presidents-vietnam-war-escalation[/URL]
The reality is that most historians and nonpartisan, knowledgeable people blame Vietnam on LBJ.
Bloodthirsty Democrats! They don't give a damn how many people die because of their wars. Seven thousand dead in Bush's senseless Afghanistan and Iraq wars. And 616,698 in Democrat wars! That means if you're a young man in America, you're 88 times more likely to die in a Democrat War than a Republican War! Thank goodness we're going to have a Republican President in a few more months! We can only hope and pray that Biden doesn't get us into a war before then.
As some board members have a tough time recognizing satire, even you, please note.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2962966]As you well know by now, my post was satirical. I believe correlations between the party of the president and (a) recessions and (b) American war deaths are mostly spurious. That is, coincidental. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]when Trump "got out of dodge" just as his Pandemic viral spread had infected thousands more Americans, especially those who shunned vaccination on his insisting it was not necessary, only meant the majority of his American Mass Murder victims died after he was kicked out of office.
Disingenuous is too mild a word to use for that kind of argument.
Of course, Trump's American Mass Murder count is still just shy of the total number of American deaths in every military operation since the 1860 election of the first Repub president by 200,000 or 300,000 deaths, only because the number of American deaths under that first Repub was so astronomically high.
But with RFK Jr and Dr Oz on the mission, I am quite sure Trump's 2nd term has a damn good chance of seeing Trump succeed in beating that total number since 1860 by quite a lot.
And we'll probably get a historic shit storm of economic disaster even greater than the one he conjured up the first time around to boot.[/QUOTE]A lot more people died from COVID during Biden's presidency than Trump's. Where were the COVID test kits when Omicron hit? Exactly how many N95 and equivalent masks did Biden get in the hands of people? Trump pushed the mRNA vaccines through the FDA and into the arms of people who wanted them in record time, saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
I share your concerns about RFK Jr, however he may turn out better than you think. That's if he lets the NIH and CDC operate normally. And he concentrates on things like improving the American diet instead of, for example, discouraging use of vaccines because of autism fears.
Trump didn't conjure up an economic disaster. That's ridiculous. The USA was in great shape going into COVID. When he left the presidency, except for our budget deficit and national debt, we were in better shape than the rest of the world. So what did Biden and the Democrats do? Even though employment and GDP were on the rise, they pumped an immense amount of government money into the economy, igniting inflation, and running unprecedented deficits considering the USA was at peace and the economy was doing well.
The biggest risk to the economy in a second Trump term is from his tariffs. And your Good Buddy Biden historically was just as bad as Trump on that issue. If he'd taken off the China tariffs, that would have had a favorable effect on inflation, and not only for the obvious reason, that importers were passing the cost of the tariffs onto consumers. Also, the effect of logistical and supply chain snafus on inflation wouldn't have been as great if Chinese products had been able to compete in the USA Market.
The second biggest risk from a second Trump term is deficit spending. Well, Biden and the Democrats showed in 2021/2022 they were even worse than the Republicans when they controlled the whole ball of wax (presidency, Senate, House) in 2017/2018.
Sincerely,
Neithersider Tiny
[QUOTE=Spidy;2963002]Uh! Not sure where you're going that logic, but good luck with wherever you think it's going!
Tiny 12, oddly enough, that was the failed Joel Greenberg's defense, [i]"...I didn't know she was 17-yrs old", [b](...kkkk!),[/b][/i] before being carted of to prison for 11 years, Greenberg plead guilty to having sex with a 17-yrs old, who he knew was being paid for sex.
Under the law, irrespective of whether Gaetz and Joel Greenberg, knew or didn't know she was 18 and she intentionally lied on some sugar daddy dating website, it doesn't matter one iota, in the eyes of the law. As an AG only needs to show, "reckless disregard", in not knowing, the women you were sex trafficking. Especially since it was dozens of "drug-fueled sex parties", and wasn't very difficult to prove with Greenberg.
It's still a mystery (but not really, under a Trump admin and Repub Florida AG, where the records for some unknown reasons, remain sealed) as to why Gaetz wasn't indicted or charge with many of the same sexual criminal counts that Greenberg was indicted on. Since prosecutes had learned that Gaetz had had paid sex with the a 17-yr old, twice (2x) within the span of a day, in 2017.
Why prosecutors didn't indict Gaetz, is all very Jeffery Epistein, don't you think? But Greenberg, was still, either thrown under the bus, or volunteered to fall on the grenade, since he was already going down on a long list of other related charges?
Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, keep defending and sympathizing with ****, sex trafficking Gaetz and his long standing laundry list of sexual criminal activities, all you want, as your defense of **** Gaetz, is just symptomatic of a larger Repub MAGA problem. That being, Trump, as a morally bankrupted president-elect.
[b]PS:[/b] BTW, I think Joel Greenberg, has already "ratted" Gaetz out as a ***. Those sealed records/documents, once unsealed, are sure to be quite revealing, once a decent AG, actually files charges, against Gaetz this time.
Judging by all the Greenburg-Gaetz Venmo payments, this wasn't Gaetz's first 17 yr old rodeo, from a sugar daddy website. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/20/us/politics/matt-gaetz-venmo-payments-sex.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You wrote, "Under the law, irrespective of whether Gaetz and Joel Greenberg, knew or didn't know she was 18 and she intentionally lied on some sugar daddy dating website, it doesn't matter one iota..." Do you have a problem with a mens rea defense in general, or just if the accused is a Republican?
Gaetz was a lousy nominee for AG. The Senate would have rejected him. He's a bomb thrower. He has minimal legal experience and none in criminal law. He's never managed a large organization. He was accused of doing favors for people who gave him gifts in violation of House Rules. And of misappropriating campaign funds for personal use.
As to your reasons for rejecting him, they may be the ones the Christian right and feminists and many other Americans would believe are the most damning. But I imagine they'd be rejected by most board members. Here are some of the relevant statutes.
Whoever knowingly transports any individual...in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with intent that such individual engage in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. " 18 USC 2421.
Anyone owning, [B]using[/B], operating, or managing an "interactive computer service" and intending to promote or facilitate prostitution, is guilty of a felony under the Mann Act, punishable by up to ten years in prison. You can face aggravated charges if you [B]use[/B] or manage a computer network that promotes or facilitates the prostitution of five or more people. A conviction for aggravated promotion of prostitution can result in up to 25 years in prison. 18 USC 2421 A.
Whoever knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual to travel...in any Territory or Possession of the United States, to engage in...any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. " 18 USC 2422 (2008).
If you transport a minor across state lines for prostitution, the penalties can be even more severe, [B]even if you don't know their age.[/B] This crime is a felony punishable by a minimum of ten years in prison and a maximum life sentence. 18 USC 2423.
[url]https://www.dougmurphylaw.com/texas-prostitution-across-state-lines#:~:text=If%20you're%20facing%20an,Mann%20Act%20for%20human%20trafficking.[/url]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2963002]
Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, keep defending and sympathizing with pedo, sex trafficking Gaetz and his long standing laundry list of sexual criminal activities, all you want, as your defense of pedo Gaetz, is just symptomatic of a larger Repub MAGA problem. That being, Trump, as a morally bankrupted president-elect. [/QUOTE]No reason to keep talking about it, Soy Boy. You bragged about women. Now you got Pam Bondi who is gong to put a fork in your ass and all of the election denying, lawfare loving, Democratic douches.
And while you are gong off on giving 17 years, 11 months old women gifts to have sex wit them (OMG, that is do pedo), nothing quite says you love children more than some lame duck Democratic douche dip shit president launching missiles under the command of USA personnel into Russia. Ah yes, we Democratic douches love the children so much we want to jail men who have sex with them on one hand and then killing them on the other. That would be the ultimate Democratic douche line: We are launching missiles into Russia to save the children.
And now is perhaps the best time to ask. Why the fuck do you Democratic douches care so much about Ukraine? Pedo camps? Money laundering central? Satan worship? The irony is you call Trump Hitler while you douches literally are arming Ukrainian Nazis.
The fact that you advocate for saving the children while so many die at your hands is something I doubt a hypocritical douche like yourself can even understand.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963076]A lot more people died from COVID during Biden's presidency than Trump's. Where were the COVID test kits when Omicron hit? Exactly how many N95 and equivalent masks did Biden get in the hands of people? Trump pushed the mRNA vaccines through the FDA and into the arms of people who wanted them in record time, saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
I share your concerns about RFK Jr, however he may turn out better than you think. That's if he lets the NIH and CDC operate normally. And he concentrates on things like improving the American diet instead of, for example, discouraging use of vaccines because of autism fears.
Trump didn't conjure up an economic disaster. That's ridiculous. The USA was in great shape going into COVID. When he left the presidency, except for our budget deficit and national debt, we were in better shape than the rest of the world. So what did Biden and the Democrats do? Even though employment and GDP were on the rise, they pumped an immense amount of government money into the economy, igniting inflation, and running unprecedented deficits considering the USA was at peace and the economy was doing well.
The biggest risk to the economy in a second Trump term is from his tariffs. And your Good Buddy Biden historically was just as bad as Trump on that issue. If he'd taken off the China tariffs, that would have had a favorable effect on inflation, and not only for the obvious reason, that importers were passing the cost of the tariffs onto consumers. Also, the effect of logistical and supply chain snafus on inflation wouldn't have been as great if Chinese products had been able to compete in the USA Market.
The second biggest risk from a second Trump term is deficit spending. Well, Biden and the Democrats showed in 2021/2022 they were even worse than the Republicans when they controlled the whole ball of wax (presidency, Senate, House) in 2017/2018.
Sincerely,
Neithersider Tiny[/QUOTE]LOL. Even after I pointed out how disingenuous the argument would be to attribute the American deaths due to Trump's Pandemic after Trump "got out of Dodge" (was kicked out of office) when his ushering in the Pandemic, horrible mismanagement of it and assurances / lies that nobody really needs to take a vaccine for it since it "is disappearing and will go away without a vaccine" meant thousands more Americans were infected, carriers and infecting even more thousands of Americans and killing them, there you went again and pushed that horse crap spin about "more Americans died under Biden" then under Trump.
Uh. Yeah. We know that. And by now ALL of us, even you, know why. And it wasn't because of something Biden started, ushered in or exacerbated. BTW, you know the outgoing Trump Administration was too busy organizing and inciting an Insurrection based on his Big Lie about the election being stolen to meet with the incoming Biden Administration to brief them or smoothly transition from one administration to the next on ANYTHING that was crashing down around our ears and continuing to Mass Murder Americans by the thousands per week, right?
It was the same with the American deaths in Eisenhower's Vietnam War. Ike "got out of Dodge" after he committed America and the American Military fully and completely to that War by word, deed and treaty, officially replacing the lost and retreating French military personnel with USA Military personnel and turning it into [B]America's War[/B] instead of a French war in May 1955.
From your History link:
[QUOTE]USA Involvement in the conflict would only deepen from there. By the end of Truman's presidency, the United States was funding more than one-third of France's war costs. ".
https://www.history.com/news/us-pres...war-escalation
[/QUOTE]"Funding" 30% or 100% of somebody else's War cost is not making it OUR War. By the use of the very words, "France's war", your link confirms my contention and the contention of the historical time-line link I provided previously that it was, uh, "France's war" at the end of the Truman presidency and not "America's War. " But it was absolutely and inarguably, "America's War" by the end of Eisenhower's FIRST TERM as president.
Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media has had to talk out of both sides of its mouth on this blissfully easy to grasp reality in order to blame the Vietnam War on Democratic president's instead their beloved Repub President Dwight Eisenhower. Hell, they started doing it by the 1970's!
In a single breath or sentence they would twist some goofy convoluted pretzel assertion like, "President JFK (or LBJ) involved us in the Vietnam War when he escalated and / or increased troops blah blah blah. ".
WTF? LOL. One can only "escalate" or "increase" something that had already started.
And in this case there is nothing vague about it in the historical time-line; President Dwight Eisenhower turned it into America's War no later than May 1955.
Yeah, he was fine with having our Military personnel simply stand in as targets for the enemy on land, sea and air and not shoot back in those early years. And as long their docile American Military personnel targets under Eisenhower were not yet officially authorized by their Commander-in-Chief to shoot back, oh the enemy we took possession and ownership of from the retreating French by May 1955 were not particularly interested in "escalating" their offensive forces just yet either. No real need to. Just keep up with their target practice over the next few years, send back a few American Military personnel in body bags during those years and everybody could just keep that up for, oh, maybe a hundred years with no end in sight, right?
The biggest change made by JFK and LBJ to Repub Eisenhower's already Quagmire "America's War" in Vietnam was that they officially authorized our Military personnel to shoot back. I don't know how many centuries Ike thought his version of America's War in Vietnam could realistically go on his way. But it was crystal clear to the Admirals and Generals under JFK and LBJ that it would have to change eventually so why not now.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2963002]Uh! Not sure where you're going that logic, but good luck with wherever you think it's going!
Tiny 12, oddly enough, that was the failed Joel Greenberg's defense, [i]"...I didn't know she was 17-yrs old", [b](...kkkk!),[/b][/i] before being carted of to prison for 11 years, Greenberg plead guilty to having sex with a 17-yrs old, who he knew was being paid for sex.
Under the law, irrespective of whether Gaetz and Joel Greenberg, knew or didn't know she was 18 and she intentionally lied on some sugar daddy dating website, it doesn't matter one iota, in the eyes of the law. As an AG only needs to show, "reckless disregard", in not knowing, the women you were sex trafficking. Especially since it was dozens of "drug-fueled sex parties", and wasn't very difficult to prove with Greenberg.
It's still a mystery (but not really, under a Trump admin and Repub Florida AG, where the records for some unknown reasons, remain sealed) as to why Gaetz wasn't indicted or charge with many of the same sexual criminal counts that Greenberg was indicted on. Since prosecutes had learned that Gaetz had had paid sex with the a 17-yr old, twice (2x) within the span of a day, in 2017.
Why prosecutors didn't indict Gaetz, is all very Jeffery Epistein, don't you think? But Greenberg, was still, either thrown under the bus, or volunteered to fall on the grenade, since he was already going down on a long list of other related charges?
Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, keep defending and sympathizing with pedo, sex trafficking Gaetz and his long standing laundry list of sexual criminal activities, all you want, as your defense of pedo Gaetz, is just symptomatic of a larger Repub MAGA problem. That being, Trump, as a morally bankrupted president-elect.
[b]PS:[/b] BTW, I think Joel Greenberg, has already "ratted" Gaetz out as a pedo. Those sealed records/documents, once unsealed, are sure to be quite revealing, once a decent AG, actually files charges, against Gaetz this time.
Judging by all the Greenburg-Gaetz Venmo payments, this wasn't Gaetz's first 17 yr old rodeo, from a sugar daddy website. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/20/us/politics/matt-gaetz-venmo-payments-sex.html[/URL][/QUOTE]When is the last time the DOJ had a monger running the show?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2963152][b]Gaetz withdrawing is a true loss for this community[/b]
When is the last time the DOJ had a monger running the show?[/QUOTE]You're like the few stray clueless South Vietnamese after the fall of Saigon who stood along the road cheering and welcoming Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as they rolled in on tanks and jeeps to get started on their South Vietnamese Killing Fields. Lololol.
Repubs are already the biggest hypocrites in American History. MAGA Repubs are the biggest hypocrites in Repub Party history.
You think Gaetz or any other Trump-appointed AG is going to go easy on their planned National Outlawing of Sex For Pleasure just because they are all banging trafficked underage hookers and $115,000 bad sex horse-faced prostitutes? Lolol.
There is a growing contingency in and around the MAGA Repub 6 who are already looking at outlawing contraceptives. Perhaps they will not arrest you if you wear a condom, maybe two, any time you dare to skirt their law by having sex for any reason other than procreation.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963104]LOL. Even after I pointed out how disingenuous the argument would be to attribute the American deaths due to Trump's Pandemic after Trump "got out of Dodge" (was kicked out of office) when his ushering in the Pandemic, horrible mismanagement of it and assurances / lies that nobody really needs to take a vaccine for it since it "is disappearing and will go away without a vaccine" meant thousands more Americans were infected, carriers and infecting even more thousands of Americans and killing them, there you went again and pushed that horse crap spin about "more Americans died under Biden" then under Trump.
Uh. Yeah. We know that. And by now ALL of us, even you, know why. And it wasn't because of something Biden started, ushered in or exacerbated. BTW, you know the outgoing Trump Administration was too busy organizing and inciting an Insurrection based on his Big Lie about the election being stolen to meet with the incoming Biden Administration to brief them or smoothly transition from one administration to the next on ANYTHING that was crashing down around our ears and continuing to Mass Murder Americans by the thousands per week, right?
It was the same with the American deaths in Eisenhower's Vietnam War. Ike "got out of Dodge" after he committed America and the American Military fully and completely to that War by word, deed and treaty, officially replacing the lost and retreating French military personnel with USA Military personnel and turning it into [B]America's War[/B] instead of a French war in May 1955.
From your History link:
"Funding" 30% or 100% of somebody else's War cost is not making it OUR War. By the use of the very words, "France's war", your link confirms my contention and the contention of the historical time-line link I provided previously that it was, uh, "France's war" at the end of the Truman presidency and not "America's War. " But it was absolutely and inarguably, "America's War" by the end of Eisenhower's FIRST TERM as president.
Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media has had to talk out of both sides of its mouth on this blissfully easy to grasp reality in order to blame the Vietnam War on Democratic president's instead their beloved Repub President Dwight Eisenhower. Hell, they started doing it by the 1970's!
In a single breath or sentence they would twist some goofy convoluted pretzel assertion like, "President JFK (or LBJ) involved us in the Vietnam War when he escalated and / or increased troops blah blah blah. ".
WTF? LOL. One can only "escalate" or "increase" something that had already started.
And in this case there is nothing vague about it in the historical time-line; President Dwight Eisenhower turned it into America's War no later than May 1955.
Yeah, he was fine with having our Military personnel simply stand in as targets for the enemy on land, sea and air and not shoot back in those early years. And as long their docile American Military personnel targets under Eisenhower were not yet officially authorized by their Commander-in-Chief to shoot back, oh the enemy we took possession and ownership of from the retreating French by May 1955 were not particularly interested in "escalating" their offensive forces just yet either. No real need to. Just keep up with their target practice over the next few years, send back a few American Military personnel in body bags during those years and everybody could just keep that up for, oh, maybe a hundred years with no end in sight, right?
The biggest change made by JFK and LBJ to Repub Eisenhower's already Quagmire "America's War" in Vietnam was that they officially authorized our Military personnel to shoot back. I don't know how many centuries Ike thought his version of America's War in Vietnam could realistically go on his way. But it was crystal clear to the Admirals and Generals under JFK and LBJ that it would have to change eventually so why not now.[/QUOTE]So you're saying Ike wouldn't allow the 900 (max) military advisors in Vietnam to shoot back? And still you're blaming 50,000 USA military deaths in Vietnam on Eisenhower? From your other posts, you also believe there wouldn't have been a pandemic if a good Democrat had been president from 2017 to 2021.
You're a wee bit partisan and biased.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2962130]LOL. Oh no, you didn't. Gaetz v. Hunter?
I noticed that Harvard types are usually masters of the system and rarely want to shake the system up and that was decades ago. Now studies shows the Ivy League schools have the least diversity of thought of any universities. So for me, it is a no go on Harvard types.
At the end of the day, the decision is going to made by Republicans. Now some do not like Gaetz, but I would not underestimate the passion of the MAGA folks. Keep in mind that when Tucker Carlson predicted assassination attempts, we MAGA folks believed him, while everyone else thought we were nuts, and then two assassination attempts happened.
So now you and others are acting as if those do not matter. Just like you said Hunter Biden's laptop would not have impacted the election, the natural tendency to blow things off and let institutions off the hook comes in. You think the two assassins were lone nuts. Again, that is just what you want to believe. Just like Hunter Biden's laptop, there is nothing in the news about them is there?
The attorney general pick is the most important appointment there is to us MAGA folks because we hated Trump's last two attorney generals. They were not loyal to Trump at all and allowed Democrats and the Deep state to get away with Russiagate and Ukrainegate.
These deep state assholes have not just been using lawfare and assassination attempts in the USA but around the world. They are killers, and it is going to take someone with some serious balls to put them in their place. So that is the passion on our side, and I think that passion is going to mow down any Republican who stands in our way.
I looked at the #2 and #4 guys on the Polymarket site. #2 is a Dem who just turned Republican. #4 is a Mormon senator from Utah who looks anything like a fighter. #3 is a fighter, but he has some dirt as well, so I prefer Gaetz to all of them.
Thing is the MAGA youtube channel has posted videos that show Gaetz at his best, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHopN6x4KIg[/URL].
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARqHokc6EFw[/URL]
I think then there is a fight that is coming. I was worried that Trump would not find someone with the balls to fight the deep state. I am not worried now.[/QUOTE]Elvis, are you reasonably happy with the Pam Bondi pick, as a replacement for Gaetz?
I dont buy the insider trading accusations that Gaetz leveled at Republicans. Anyone following the news knew what was happening in Ukraine. If he were going to investigate and prosecute those two Congressmen in the first video, he wouldn't have made a good AG.
I agree with Gaetz (and Trump) on seeking an end to the war in Ukraine. But thats not the reason he made a lot of enemies.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963240]You're like the few stray clueless South Vietnamese after the fall of Saigon who stood along the road cheering and welcoming Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as they rolled in on tanks and jeeps to get started on their South Vietnamese Killing Fields. Lololol.
Repubs are already the biggest hypocrites in American History. MAGA Repubs are the biggest hypocrites in Repub Party history.
You think Gaetz or any other Trump-appointed AG is going to go easy on their planned National Outlawing of Sex For Pleasure just because they are all banging trafficked underage hookers and $115,000 bad sex horse-faced prostitutes? Lolol.
There is a growing contingency in and around the MAGA Repub 6 who are already looking at outlawing contraceptives. Perhaps they will not arrest you if you wear a condom, maybe two, any time you dare to skirt their law by having sex for any reason other than procreation.[/QUOTE]When did Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge roll in on tanks and jeeps to Saigon? Presumably thats sarcastic or humorous but it went right over my head.
You could throw Epstein's good buddy Clinton in there with Trump and Gaetz. And Biden was more than willing to sell his soul for a few more votes in the primaries. Witness his changing position on the Hyde Amendment.
Trump may just surprise you. He nominated a gay Treasury Secretary.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963282]So you're saying Ike wouldn't allow the 900 (max) military advisors in Vietnam to shoot back? And still you're blaming 50,000 USA military deaths in Vietnam on Eisenhower? From your other posts, you also believe there wouldn't have been a pandemic if a good Democrat had been president from 2017 to 2021.
You're a wee bit partisan and biased.[/QUOTE]No, I am not blaming 50,000 USA deaths in Vietnam on Eisenhower. I am stating the fact that the USA direct military commitment in word, deed, treaty, involvement and engagement in Vietnam was Eisenhower's idea, and doing, not FDR's, Truman's, JFK's, LBJ's, Nixon's or Ford's.
However, no Democrat would have defunded and removed the highly touted and successful Pandem Prevention teams and leadership from those Chinese labs contrary to all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid at any time.
Trump did that in 2018 and 2019.
And no Democrat would have then doubled, tripled, quadrupled, etc down on that furst colossally bad decision by spending the critical year lying about the dangers of it, that "we have this under control, it is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine", etc while mocking the known mitigation measures.
Trump did that too.
And then in March 2020 Trump himself admitted that if only someone had given us a heads up about those first Covid cases "two months earlier, we could have avoided all this trouble easily. ".
Given that it was indeed possible that the earliest identification of the virus as a deadly, rapidly spreading airborne agent by those Pandemic Prevention teams Trump removed at least three months earlier quite reasonably could have triggered an isolation and quarantine process of at least some of the earliest identified likely carriers before the spread went in all directions into airports, train stations and bus stations so as to limit it to an epidemic in one region of China or certainly slow down the spread until Obama's Rapid Vaccine program he launched in 2009 for just such an event could produce and distribute effective vaccines around the world, yeah, I am fully capable of connecting those blatantly obvious dots to conclude Trump's historically disastrous decisions in 2018,2019 and all through 2020 played the most critical role in ushering in a Pandemic that did not have to happen, had been prepared for in that systems were in place to prevent or greatly lessen the number of deaths but that Trump thwarted those systems and millions of people died. Including a million Americans.
And BTW, nobody knew how many millions more Americans would continue to carry and spread the virus OR how deadly a mutation or variation of it would be while Trump was busy "getting out of Dodge", his cult followers and believers carrying it and infecting every other Mon. Vaccinated Trump Cult follower, dying of it themselves.
We were probably very lucky that Trump "only" Mass Murdered about a million Americans with his Pandemic. But what if it had been 5 million after he "got out of Dodge"? Or 20 million? What if a post-Trump Administration mutation, and there certainly was one, had mutated to a version that thwarted all vaccines invented for the next two years?
Did you know it wouldn't? Fauci didn't know it wouldn't. Nobody knew it wouldn't. It was a novel coronavirus.
Which then begs the question; how the hell could Biden and the Dems predict exactly how much economic support and recovery stimulus was going to be needed going forward, to the dime, while everyone knew there would be ONE trip to the well as long as Disaster and Death-loving Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repubs were filling enough Congressional seats to shut everything down any minute just for the hell of it.
Thank God Biden and the Dems legislated enough jobs creating and wage increasing economic stimulus to revive global and domestic supply-chains and recover the world from the economic devastation of Trump's Pandemic with very, very little suffering on the part of America compared with the rest of the world, not TOO LITTLE to accomplish that, which would have been a true Great Repub Depression style of disaster and plenty to accomplish remarkable greatness for years to come. Unless Trump and his Repubs find a way to fuck it up.
You asked in a previous post, "What did the Dems do"?
This:
[B]The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant.
Oct. 31, 2014[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059[/URL]
And this:
[B]America's economy is the envy of the world. Will it stay that way?
(Originally from The Economist)
Nov. 6, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/1211597925/americas-economy-is-the-envy-of-the-world[/URL]
And this:
Titans of American Industry and Business LOVE them some Bidenomics:
[B]USA 'industrial renaissance' is driving a rebound in fundraising.
Nov. 20, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/us-industrial-renaissance-is-driving-a-rebound-in-fundraising.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Demand for capital in the U.S. is surging amid massive government spending and an industrial renaissance, Apollo Globals Marc Rowan said.
Other panelists said normalization of economic conditions and growth in the data center and energy sectors were also leading to a rebound in fundraising activity.
...........
An industrial renaissance in the U.S. is fueling demand for capital, Marc Rowan, CEO of Apollo Global Management said at the Global Financial Leaders Investment Summit in Hong Kong.
There is so much demand for capital, including through debt and equity ... Whats going on is nothing short of extraordinary, Rowan said on Tuesday during a panel discussion.
This demand has been supported by massive government spending, particularly on infrastructure, the semiconductor industry and projects [b]under the Inflation Reduction Act[/b], said the asset manager, who is reportedly in the[b] running for Treasury Secretary position under President-elect Donald Trump.[/b]
What we're watching is this incredible demand for capital happening against a backdrop of a U.S. government that is running significant deficits. And so the capital raising business, I think thats going to be a good business, he said.
Industrial policies, including[b] the CHIPS and Science Act[/b] and the [b]2021 infrastructure legislation[/b], warrant billions in spending.
Rowan added that the U.S. has been the largest recipient of foreign direct investment over the past three years and is expected to stay at the top spot this year as well.
Rowan and other panelists also identified energy and data centers needed for artificial intelligence and digitization as growth sectors requiring more capital.
............
"This environment has been one where, if you are in the business of allocating capital, its been great, he said, adding that the group was now gearing up to get into raising capital mode.
[B]That is the hallmark of a growing and thriving economy,[/b] which is where the classic underwriting and mergers and acquisitions businesses take hold, he said.
Solomon predicted that these trends would see more robust capital raising and M&A activity in 2025.[/QUOTE]And this:
[B]Minimum Wages Rising In 20 States And Several Cities.
Dec. 30, 2018[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2018/12/30/681055793/minimum-wages-rising-in-20-states-and-several-cities[/URL]
And this:
[B]The typical U.S. worker out-earned inflation by $1,400 a year, data shows.
Even as price growth has surged in the pandemic era, earnings of middle-class and even lower-class jobholders have risen too.
Aug. 28, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/typical-us-worker-earned-inflation-1400-year-data-shows-rcna168579[/URL]
Thanks, Joe, Kamala and the Dems.
So tell us all about what Trump did for 4 years.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963313]When did Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge roll in on tanks and jeeps to Saigon? Presumably thats sarcastic or humorous but it went right over my head.
You could throw Epstein's good buddy Clinton in there with Trump and Gaetz. And Biden was more than willing to sell his soul for a few more votes in the primaries. Witness his changing position on the Hyde Amendment.
Trump may just surprise you. He nominated a gay Treasury Secretary.[/QUOTE]I had too much Vietnam on my mind and in a side conversation with someone else about Saigon back in the day. I meant to type Phnom Penh.
Yes, Trump's Treasury Secretary nominee would be another DEI hire. Like his new AG nominee.
Scroll down to see the latest update on the popular vote count. At this writing, Trump has 49.86% of the vote, which is less than it was a few days ago:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
At this writing, the Dems are ahead of the Repubs in the popular vote for the Senate:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elections[/URL]
I have found no updated popular vote numbers for the House of Representatives yet.
But here is what we know so far:
The Majority of the American Electorate voted AGAINST Trump or any other Repub, Third Party Candidate or Pretend Neithersider Repub being so-called president.
The Majority of the American Electorate vote FOR Democratic Control of the Senate and AGAINST Repubs confirming Presidential Appointments, Cabinet Secretaries, Federal Judges, Supreme Court Judges, Omnibus Reconciliation Budget bills, etc.
And this demonstrably NON Trump / Repub mandate for anything came about vs a historically economic and national security successful incumbent Dem President who "couldn't talk, couldn't walk, doesn't know who he is, doesn't know where he is, doesn't know anything" and an ultimate Dem female candidate of mixed minority ethnicity in a mixed marriage and while the overwhelming spin in the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media for the past four years was the Trump / MAGA lie that this was "the worst economy and most dangerous, crime-ridden country of all time" when the reality was the near total polar opposite.
Interesting, huh?
Meanwhile, the relative handful of angry Muslims, less than 130,000 of them, spread across just three states who sailed into the polling places in those three states shouting "Allahu Akbar" to express their hatred for Netanyahu by voting for Trump instead of Harris, thereby being the sole reason for Trump's win, are already realizing how stupid they were to even think of such a thing.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963080]Gaetz was a lousy nominee for AG. The Senate would have rejected him. He's a bomb thrower. He has minimal legal experience and none in criminal law. He's never managed a large organization. He was accused of doing favors for people who gave him gifts in violation of House Rules. And of misappropriating campaign funds for personal use. ... [/QUOTE]If your quoting the MANN Act and saying all this, just to say, that the sex trafficking pedo Gaetz, is a morally reprehensible Repub for the AG Office...then duh!
But then you somehow manage to turn around, advocate, defend and sympathize with Gaetz, that Gaetz for the the love of [b]Moscow Marjorie,[/b] would somehow make for a better candidate than Hunter Biden? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2963098]And now is perhaps the best time to ask. Why the fuck do you Democratic douches care so much about Ukraine? Pedo camps? Money laundering central? Satan worship? The irony is you call Trump Hitler while you douches literally are arming Ukrainian Nazis. [/QUOTE]Speaking of Nazis, war and sexual mongering deviants and the like, it's obvious, you two pedo defenders and sympathizers, will no doubt be defending the likes of Pete Hegseth (nominee for Def. Sec.), the sexual assault thug and who's alleged sexually assault on women and then pays them to "shut-the-fuck-up", for an undisclosed amount of money, for so called "consensual" sex. Military women will just love this maggot for Def. Sec. [I][b](NOT!...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
[b]Police report reveals new details from sexual assault allegation against Trumps defense secretary nominee,[/b] [i]November 21, 2024 --[/i] [url]https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/21/politics/pete-hegseth-police-report-defense-secretary-trump/index.html[/url]
Yes, it certainly will be an interesting next 4-years, to see what criminals, Nazis, bigots, sex offenders, pussy grabbers, grifters, charlatans, snake-oil salesmen, misfits and sycophants crawl out from hiding, to stand on ceremony for Trump.
BTW, would these criminal traits also pass as requirements to serve under Trump?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2963476][b]Is sexual criminal activity a requirement to serve under Trump?[/b]
(...kkkk!) If your quoting the MANN Act and saying all this, just to say, that the sex trafficking pedo Gaetz, is a morally reprehensible Repub for the AG Office...then duh!
But then you somehow manage to turn around, advocate, defend and sympathize with Gaetz, that Gaetz for the the love of [b]Moscow Marjorie,[/b] would somehow make for a better candidate than Hunter Biden? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
Speaking of Nazis, war and sexual mongering deviants and the like, it's obvious, you two pedo defenders and sympathizers, will no doubt be defending the likes of Pete Hegseth (nominee for Def. Sec.), the sexual assault thug and who's alleged sexually assault on women and then pays them to "shut-the-fuck-up", for an undisclosed amount of money, for so called "consensual" sex. Military women will just love this maggot for Def. Sec. [I][b](NOT!...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
[b]Police report reveals new details from sexual assault allegation against Trumps defense secretary nominee,[/b] [i]November 21, 2024 --[/i] [url]https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/21/politics/pete-hegseth-police-report-defense-secretary-trump/index.html[/url]
Yes, it certainly will be an interesting next 4-years, to see what criminals, Nazis, bigots, sex offenders, pussy grabbers, grifters, charlatans, snake-oil salesmen, misfits and sycophants crawl out from hiding, to stand on ceremony for Trump.
BTW, would these criminal traits also pass as requirements to serve under Trump?[/QUOTE]It is a requirement for the Repub Party in general, Fux News as founded by Roger Ailes, purpetuated by Bill O'Reilly, etc, from which Trump chooses his confederates and certainly for Trump himself who likes to hang around with sexual predators similar or worse than he is.
But do not mistake that for a Trump / Repub plan to go easy on anyone who violates their long-planned and wished-for law against Sex For Pleasure outside of their sphincter tight inner circle.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2963476]If your (sic) quoting the MANN Act and saying all this, just to say, that the sex trafficking pedo Gaetz, is a morally reprehensible Repub for the AG Office...then duh!
[/QUOTE]No, the point is that you and Gaetz and most of the rest of us who live or pass through the USA could, for example, face prison sentences up to 25 years for using an interactive computer service that facilitates prostitution. Unless you're some feminist pretending to be a monger that should give you cause for concern.
I guess I should have added a 3rd category. Are the members here calling for Gaetz's head on account of alleged sexual misdeeds hypocrites, baiters or feminists?
As to Hegseths paramour, if he were a Democrat youd be saying she made up the story to save her marriage.
By the way, you're confusing the Mann Act with Kamala Harris FOSTA/SESTA. Look what thats wrought:
[url]https://filtermag.org/presidential-hopeful-kamala-harris-made-sex-workers-lives-more-dangerous/amp/[/url]
Contrary to your assertions, Elvis and I are not P******** defenders and sympathizers. Thats ridiculous. P********* is disgusting and reprehensible.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963240]You're like the few stray clueless South Vietnamese after the fall of Saigon who stood along the road cheering and welcoming Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as they rolled in on tanks and jeeps to get started on their South Vietnamese Killing Fields. Lololol.
Repubs are already the biggest hypocrites in American History. MAGA Repubs are the biggest hypocrites in Repub Party history.
You think Gaetz or any other Trump-appointed AG is going to go easy on their planned National Outlawing of Sex For Pleasure just because they are all banging trafficked underage hookers and $115,000 bad sex horse-faced prostitutes? Lolol.
There is a growing contingency in and around the MAGA Repub 6 who are already looking at outlawing contraceptives. Perhaps they will not arrest you if you wear a condom, maybe two, any time you dare to skirt their law by having sex for any reason other than procreation.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_obeR1OIm8[/URL]
[URL]https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6e591e42-a696-4e82-8c76-0f89b6b6dd39[/URL]
I wrote here about being busted in a reverse sting in Chicago run by the fucking FBI when Scumbag Barry Hussein was in the WH before.
When I asked the FBI why they were doing this, he said, we are looking for traffickers, with 5 business attired mongers sitting on a hotel bed with handcuffs at 1 pm on a Tuesday.
That never happens with a republican in the WH.
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/queens-brothel-crackdown-backlash-rally/[/URL]
Yes I know NYC is run by Black Nazis.
[URL]https://ktla.com/news/local-news/woman-accused-of-operating-brothels-at-socal-skin-care-spas/[/URL]
$100000 bail for handjobs in SOCAL.
As always you're 100% FULL OF SHIT.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963335]No, I am not blaming 50,000 USA deaths in Vietnam on Eisenhower. I am stating the fact that the USA direct military commitment in word, deed, treaty, involvement and engagement in Vietnam was Eisenhower's idea, and doing, not FDR's, Truman's, JFK's, LBJ's, Nixon's or Ford's.
However, no Democrat would have defunded and removed the highly touted and successful Pandem Prevention teams and leadership from those Chinese labs contrary to all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid at any time.
Trump did that in 2018 and 2019.
And no Democrat would have then doubled, tripled, quadrupled, etc down on that furst colossally bad decision by spending the critical year lying about the dangers of it, that "we have this under control, it is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine", etc while mocking the known mitigation measures.
Trump did that too.
And then in March 2020 Trump himself admitted that if only someone had given us a heads up about those first Covid cases "two months earlier, we could have avoided all this trouble easily. ".
Given that it was indeed possible that the earliest identification of the virus as a deadly, rapidly spreading airborne agent by those Pandemic Prevention teams Trump removed at least three months earlier quite reasonably could have triggered an isolation and quarantine process of at least some of the earliest identified likely carriers before the spread went in all directions into airports, train stations and bus stations so as to limit it to an epidemic in one region of China or certainly slow down the spread until Obama's Rapid Vaccine program he launched in 2009 for just such an event could produce and distribute effective vaccines around the world, yeah, I am fully capable of connecting those blatantly obvious dots to conclude Trump's historically disastrous decisions in 2018,2019 and all through 2020 played the most critical role in ushering in a Pandemic that did not have to happen, had been prepared for in that systems were in place to prevent or greatly lessen the number of deaths but that Trump thwarted those systems and millions of people died. Including a million Americans.
And BTW, nobody knew how many millions more Americans would continue to carry and spread the virus OR how deadly a mutation or variation of it would be while Trump was busy "getting out of Dodge", his cult followers and believers carrying it and infecting every other Mon. Vaccinated Trump Cult follower, dying of it themselves.
We were probably very lucky that Trump "only" Mass Murdered about a million Americans with his Pandemic. But what if it had been 5 million after he "got out of Dodge"? Or 20 million? What if a post-Trump Administration mutation, and there certainly was one, had mutated to a version that thwarted all vaccines invented for the next two years?
Did you know it wouldn't? Fauci didn't know it wouldn't. Nobody knew it wouldn't. It was a novel coronavirus.
Which then begs the question; how the hell could Biden and the Dems predict exactly how much economic support and recovery stimulus was going to be needed going forward, to the dime, while everyone knew there would be ONE trip to the well as long as Disaster and Death-loving Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repubs were filling enough Congressional seats to shut everything down any minute just for the hell of it.
Thank God Biden and the Dems legislated enough jobs creating and wage increasing economic stimulus to revive global and domestic supply-chains and recover the world from the economic devastation of Trump's Pandemic with very, very little suffering on the part of America compared with the rest of the world, not TOO LITTLE to accomplish that, which would have been a true Great Repub Depression style of disaster and plenty to accomplish remarkable greatness for years to come. Unless Trump and his Repubs find a way to fuck it up.
You asked in a previous post, "What did the Dems do"?
This:
[B]The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant.
Oct. 31, 2014[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059[/URL]
And this:
[B]America's economy is the envy of the world. Will it stay that way?
(Originally from The Economist)
Nov. 6, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/1211597925/americas-economy-is-the-envy-of-the-world[/URL]
And this:
Titans of American Industry and Business LOVE them some Bidenomics:
[B]USA 'industrial renaissance' is driving a rebound in fundraising.
Nov. 20, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/us-industrial-renaissance-is-driving-a-rebound-in-fundraising.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
And this:
[B]Minimum Wages Rising In 20 States And Several Cities.
Dec. 30, 2018[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2018/12/30/681055793/minimum-wages-rising-in-20-states-and-several-cities[/URL]
And this:
[B]The typical U.S. worker out-earned inflation by $1,400 a year, data shows.
Even as price growth has surged in the pandemic era, earnings of middle-class and even lower-class jobholders have risen too.
Aug. 28, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/typical-us-worker-earned-inflation-1400-year-data-shows-rcna168579[/URL]
Thanks, Joe, Kamala and the Dems.
So tell us all about what Trump did for 4 years.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/11/21/leading-economoic-indicators-fall-for-8th-straight-month/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963415]Scroll down to see the latest update on the popular vote count. At this writing, Trump has 49.86% of the vote, which is less than it was a few days ago:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
At this writing, the Dems are ahead of the Repubs in the popular vote for the Senate:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elections[/URL]
I have found no updated popular vote numbers for the House of Representatives yet.
But here is what we know so far:
The Majority of the American Electorate voted AGAINST Trump or any other Repub, Third Party Candidate or Pretend Neithersider Repub being so-called president.
The Majority of the American Electorate vote FOR Democratic Control of the Senate and AGAINST Repubs confirming Presidential Appointments, Cabinet Secretaries, Federal Judges, Supreme Court Judges, Omnibus Reconciliation Budget bills, etc.
And this demonstrably NON Trump / Repub mandate for anything came about vs a historically economic and national security successful incumbent Dem President who "couldn't talk, couldn't walk, doesn't know who he is, doesn't know where he is, doesn't know anything" and an ultimate Dem female candidate of mixed minority ethnicity in a mixed marriage and while the overwhelming spin in the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media for the past four years was the Trump / MAGA lie that this was "the worst economy and most dangerous, crime-ridden country of all time" when the reality was the near total polar opposite.
Interesting, huh?
Meanwhile, the relative handful of angry Muslims, less than 130,000 of them, spread across just three states who sailed into the polling places in those three states shouting "Allahu Akbar" to express their hatred for Netanyahu by voting for Trump instead of Harris, thereby being the sole reason for Trump's win, are already realizing how stupid they were to even think of such a thing.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/11/18/minnesota-election-judge-charged-felonies-letting-unregistered-people-vote-2024-election/[/URL]
For sure, I will be very disappointed if Trump breaks this critically important promise and does not get this done on Day One.
And he damn well better have at least 2 million nail and hair salon workers, factory workers, child care providers, construction workers, maintenance and janitorial workers, farm workers, produce pickers, etc rounded up and either sitting in prisons or back in their home country by Noon on January 21,2025 with another 5-8 million of them headed that way by the end of that first week!
"Promises Made, Promises Kept. ".
Elections matter.
Thank you for your vote.
[B]Trump vows to raise tariffs on all goods from China, Canada and Mexico.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/26/trump-vows-an-additional-10percent-tariff-on-china-25percent-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trump plans to raise tariffs by an additional 10% on all Chinese goods coming into the U.S., according to a post Monday on his social media platform Truth Social.
The post immediately followed one in which Trump said his first of many executive orders on Jan. 20 would impose tariffs of 25% on all products from Mexico and Canada.[/QUOTE]Of course, the beauty in Trump repeating this promise so emphatically is that, as we all know, suppliers and retailers will not wait until Trump's Tariffs Tax Increases on the American Consumer officially take effect. Oh no. Many of them will start jacking up prices sooner than that in order to "get ahead of the game" on the increases. Just as happened with food and restaurant menu prices starting in 2018 and 2019 as Trump launched into his previous failed Trade War with China.
The perennial Classic:
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2963573][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/11/21/leading-economoic-indicators-fall-for-8th-straight-month/[/URL][/QUOTE]From your link:
[QUOTE]Despite these challenges, the U.S. economy is expected to keep growing. The index stopped signaling an imminent recession in October, according to the Conference Board.[/QUOTE]LOL. When even Breitbart can't down-spin the fanfuckingtastic economy Biden-Harris and the Dems produced along with their historic recovery from the previous Repub president's horrific mishandling of everything and will hand to Trump, you KNOW it must be great!
Uh. Slowing down the earlier economic metrics that were simply producing too many more higher wage jobs than there were applicants to take them was what the Fed has been working to accomplish for the past 3 years in order to tame Trump's Pandemic Inflation.
And for the past several months that is happening dramatically. As intended.
Until Trump keeps his campaign promises to Jack up the price of damn near everything and creates huge lower income worker shortages that can only be filled by higher-paid USA Citizens, if at all, that is.
The less-than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslim Mandate must be honored!
The Classic:
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963506]No, the point is ...[/QUOTE]No, the point is, I've asked nicely, once already...to JUST STOP CHANGING MY POSTS!!!
Are you really that deprived, desperate and bereft of original thought, that you need to change what I write in my posts (under the pretense, as if I wrote it), in order to convey, your own idiotic bothsider MAGA Trumpian bullshit?
We already know those less than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslims spread across just three states voting for Trump instead of Harris is the sole reason we have a President-elect Trump today instead of a President-elect Harris.
But this might explain why Repubs managed to squeeze out a scant Pink Tinkle again this year in the already Repub-advantaged Senate and House races.
Uh. Didn't we just have an election campaign culminating 3 1/2 solid years of griping about "higher prices"? This is just more proof positive that it was those less than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslims spread across three states whose last minute decision to vent their hatred and anger at Netanyahu by, um, voting for Trump instead of Harris was the sole deciding factor in Trump's win. Not inflation, immigration, trannies, pronouns, crime, the economy or crypto.
In the ongoing musings about whether or not the American Electorate is simply too stupid about a national economy to base an intelligent vote on it, the answer over and over again seems to be unavoidable.
File this in the "Most Poll Respondents think Repubs do a better job of handling the economy than Dems" folder:
[B]Republicans Who Want Lower Prices Also Love Trump's Tariffs,
even though they think it will raise prices.[/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/11/republicans-who-want-lower-prices-also[/URL]
[QUOTE]"NBC Newss Sahil Kapur replied to Schers post, noting, Excellent example of how voters have incoherent views on public policy. Another deadpanned, [b]"52% of Americans support Leopards Eating Their Faces. How can Democrats win back these voters who are open to having their faces eaten?"[/b]
And if anyone wondered how on earth Trump ever got elected, it's because of irrational voters like these.[/QUOTE]Lololol. Indeed.
This one really demands The Classic:
[QUOTE=Spidy;2963806]No, the point is, I've asked nicely, once already...to JUST STOP CHANGING MY POSTS!!!
Are you really that deprived, desperate and bereft of original thought, that you need to change what I write in my posts (under the pretense, as if I wrote it), in order to convey, your own idiotic bothsider MAGA Trumpian bullshit?[/QUOTE]The solution is simple. Don't use the "P" word and I won't replace it with ****. I'm not going to intentionally use or quote the word in my posts. It's not a good look for this site. Regrettably, I see I failed to remove the offending word the last time I quoted you.
And if you don't like having "(sic)" inserted, don't make spelling, grammatical or typographical errors.
Sic - adverb - used in brackets or parentheses after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963608]For sure, I will be very disappointed if Trump breaks this critically important promise and does not get this done on Day One.
And he damn well better have at least 2 million nail and hair salon workers, factory workers, child care providers, construction workers, maintenance and janitorial workers, farm workers, produce pickers, etc rounded up and either sitting in prisons or back in their home country by Noon on January 21,2025 with another 5-8 million of them headed that way by the end of that first week!
"Promises Made, Promises Kept. ".
Elections matter.
Thank you for your vote.
[B]Trump vows to raise tariffs on all goods from China, Canada and Mexico.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/26/trump-vows-an-additional-10percent-tariff-on-china-25percent-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Of course, the beauty in Trump repeating this promise so emphatically is that, as we all know, suppliers and retailers will not wait until Trump's Tariffs Tax Increases on the American Consumer officially take effect. Oh no. Many of them will start jacking up prices sooner than that in order to "get ahead of the game" on the increases. Just as happened with food and restaurant menu prices starting in 2018 and 2019 as Trump launched into his previous failed Trade War with China.
The perennial Classic:[/QUOTE]Yes, the tariffs would cause a step up in price levels, but the effect on inflation shouldn't be sustained. The bigger worry IMHO is the effect tariffs will have on the productivity of workers, the competitivity of American business, and the prosperity of Americans in general. Hopefully Scott Bessent, Kevin Hassett and reality will keep Trump from realizing some of his less rational economic ideas.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2963589][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/11/18/minnesota-election-judge-charged-felonies-letting-unregistered-people-vote-2024-election/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/federal-judge-blocks-virginia-dropping-alleged-non-citizens-voter-roll-rcna177286[/URL]
USA District Judge Patricia Giles is a Democrat appointed by Biden.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963415]Scroll down to see the latest update on the popular vote count. At this writing, Trump has 49.86% of the vote, which is less than it was a few days ago:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL][/QUOTE]The AP, the definitive source for real time election results, shows Trump with 50.0% right now.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963415]At this writing, the Dems are ahead of the Repubs in the popular vote for the Senate:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elections[/URL][/QUOTE]What does that mean? Only 1/3rd of Senators were up for election.
Yeah, it's possible that right now Republicans have a structural advantage in the Senate. But that will change. People are leaving tiny blue states like Vermont, Delaware and Rhode Island for red states with greater economic opportunity. At some point before you die you'll look up and see the Democrats with a majority of Senate seats and a minority of the popular vote in the Senate.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963415]I have found no updated popular vote numbers for the House of Representatives yet.[/QUOTE]Of course you haven't. That's because the media sources you favor aren't reporting it. Republicans are ahead, 50.71% to 47.71%:
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/house[/URL]
Since World War II, except for 2012 to 2016, Democrats have generally gotten significantly more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. Euphemistically you could say they're better at gerrymandering than the Republicans. Or if you were a Republican who wanted to be disparaging, you could say Democrats are better at cheating than Republicans.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963415]But here is what we know so far:
The Majority of the American Electorate voted AGAINST Trump or any other Repub, Third Party Candidate or Pretend Neithersider Repub being so-called president.
The Majority of the American Electorate vote FOR Democratic Control of the Senate and AGAINST Repubs confirming Presidential Appointments, Cabinet Secretaries, Federal Judges, Supreme Court Judges, Omnibus Reconciliation Budget bills, etc.[/QUOTE]The country's split down the middle. Trump doesn't have a mandate. And despite your protestations neither do Democrats, either now, or when Biden and Obama were president.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963415]Meanwhile, the relative handful of angry Muslims, less than 130,000 of them, spread across just three states who sailed into the polling places in those three states shouting "Allahu Akbar" to express their hatred for Netanyahu by voting for Trump instead of Harris, thereby being the sole reason for Trump's win, are already realizing how stupid they were to even think of such a thing.[/QUOTE]GIVE US A BREAK. Do you really believe that?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963845]The AP, the definitive source for real time election results, shows Trump with 50.0% right now.
What does that mean? Only 1/3rd of Senators were up for election.
Yeah, it's possible that right now Republicans have a structural advantage in the Senate. But that will change. People are leaving tiny blue states like Vermont, Delaware and Rhode Island for red states with greater economic opportunity. At some point before you die you'll look up and see the Democrats with a majority of Senate seats and a minority of the popular vote in the Senate.
Of course you haven't. That's because the media sources you favor aren't reporting it. Republicans are ahead, 50.71% to 47.71%:
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/house[/URL]
Since World War II, except for 2012 to 2016, Democrats have generally gotten significantly more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. Euphemistically you could say they're better at gerrymandering than the Republicans. Or if you were a Republican who wanted to be disparaging, you could say Democrats are better at cheating than Republicans.
The country's split down the middle. Trump doesn't have a mandate. And despite your protestations neither do Democrats, either now, or when Biden and Obama were president.
GIVE US A BREAK. Do you really believe that?[/QUOTE]The link I provided showing Trump below 50% of the vote a day or so ago if you scroll down and look into the Results section is showing him even further below 50% today and, in fact, referenced their numbers to the Cook Report. Which I see you like when it shows what you want to see.
I get Subscription Required pop ups on the Cook Report site, which is one reason I don't frequent that site for info.
However, now that I know you love to reference the Cook Report, I did manage to get a quick screenshot of their assessment that Trump is below 50% of the vote.
See screenshot below.
I assume you saw that on the Cook Report site too but raced to another site, this time AP, to find something more appealing to your non partisan, neithersider / bothsider heart.
So now you are dismissing the 4 seat swing and 3 seat advantage for Repubs in the Senate as meaning nothing really because "only 1/3 of Senators were up for election"?
Please tell your beloved Trump, Fux News, all other MAGAs and the new Repub leadership in the Senate about that.
On the slight Repub popular vote advantage in overall House races over the years; I submit that if the extreme gerrymandering by Repubs did not exist to make it a lost cause and waste of money for any Dem to run a serious campaign against them in those districts, genuine competition and ad campaigns throughout the country would produce the same remarkably consistent majority or plurality vote advantage for House Dems as it has been for Senators and Presidents.
Do I believe the numbers irrefutably showing a mere swing of less than 130,000 votes from Trump to Harris spread across only three states would have produced a President-elect Harris today instead of a President-elect Trump?
Yep.
Do I believe the Muslim leadership on the ground in those three states that it was their mobilization of hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters to express their anger at what is happening between Israel and Gaza by not voting for Harris is what "gave Trump the win"?
Yep.
[I]Tariffs were one of the pillars of the American System that allowed the rapid development and industrialization of the United States.
The United States pursued a protectionist policy from the beginning of the 19th century until the middle of the 20th century. Between 1861 and 1933, they had one of the highest average tariff rates on manufactured imports in the world.
Tariffs were the greatest (approaching 95% at times) source of federal revenue until the federal income tax began after 1913. For well over a century the federal government was largely financed by tariffs averaging about 20% on foreign imports. At the end of the American Civil War in 1865 about 63% of Federal income was generated by the excise taxes, which exceeded the 25.4% generated by tariffs. In 1915 during World War I, tariffs generated 30.1% of revenues. Since 1935, tariff income has continued to be a declining percentage of Federal tax income.[/I]
Let's get back to high tariffs and low income taxes.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2963931][I]Tariffs were one of the pillars of the American System that allowed the rapid development and industrialization of the United States.
The United States pursued a protectionist policy from the beginning of the 19th century until the middle of the 20th century. Between 1861 and 1933, they had one of the highest average tariff rates on manufactured imports in the world.
Tariffs were the greatest (approaching 95% at times) source of federal revenue until the federal income tax began after 1913. For well over a century the federal government was largely financed by tariffs averaging about 20% on foreign imports. At the end of the American Civil War in 1865 about 63% of Federal income was generated by the excise taxes, which exceeded the 25.4% generated by tariffs. In 1915 during World War I, tariffs generated 30.1% of revenues. Since 1935, tariff income has continued to be a declining percentage of Federal tax income.[/I]
Let's get back to high tariffs and low income taxes.[/QUOTE]Have you ever scanned the series of Recessions, Depressions and Panics the USA suffered from those post-Civil War years until the USA stopped relying so much on tariffs and instead relied more on a Federal Income Tax system for revenue?
[B]List of recessions in the United States:[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States[/URL]
Those were the severe Boom and Bust years that, mercifully, came to an end after the Federal Reserve was established and after lingering tariff proponents in the Repub Party had their final grand tariff orgy with the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930:
[B]The Great Depression Lesson About Trade Wars.
In 1930, raising tariffs across the board hurt the U.S. economy.[/B]
[URL]https://www.history.com/news/trade-war-great-depression-trump-smoot-hawley[/URL]
That was the last Great Repub Depression that America has suffered and the longest stretch without one since 1861 and well before that. Oh, Repubs have certainly tried several times and come very close. But they haven't quite attained their high water mark for the Great Repub Depression of 1929-1933 since that one.
At almost 100 years since the last Great Repub Depression, I suppose memories have faded enough by now to start contemplating another. And Donald Trump is just the person to come up with all the really bad ideas and conditions necessary to bring one on; he's a Repub, a tariff lover and a Federal Reserve hater. The perfect trifecta for creating another Great Repub Depression.
And, BTW, tariffs are contrary to the concept of Free Trade, which I thought was one of those supposed Conservative "principles". Trump wants the most "central" of all Central Government entities, himself, to decide which industries and companies are to be rewarded or punished by applying tariffs to them or not.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963864]The link I provided showing Trump below 50% of the vote a day or so ago if you scroll down and look into the Results section is showing him even further below 50% today and, in fact, referenced their numbers to the Cook Report. Which I see you like when it shows what you want to see.
I get Subscription Required pop ups on the Cook Report site, which is one reason I don't frequent that site for info.
However, now that I know you love to reference the Cook Report, I did manage to get a quick screenshot of their assessment that Trump is below 50% of the vote.
See screenshot below.
I assume you saw that on the Cook Report site too but raced to another site, this time AP, to find something more appealing to your non partisan, neithersider / bothsider heart.
So now you are dismissing the 4 seat swing and 3 seat advantage for Repubs in the Senate as meaning nothing really because "only 1/3 of Senators were up for election"?
Please tell your beloved Trump, Fux News, all other MAGAs and the new Repub leadership in the Senate about that.
On the slight Repub popular vote advantage in overall House races over the years; I submit that if the extreme gerrymandering by Repubs did not exist to make it a lost cause and waste of money for any Dem to run a serious campaign against them in those districts, genuine competition and ad campaigns throughout the country would produce the same remarkably consistent majority or plurality vote advantage for House Dems as it has been for Senators and Presidents.
Do I believe the numbers irrefutably showing a mere swing of less than 130,000 votes from Trump to Harris spread across only three states would have produced a President-elect Harris today instead of a President-elect Trump?
Yep.
Do I believe the Muslim leadership on the ground in those three states that it was their mobilization of hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters to express their anger at what is happening between Israel and Gaza by not voting for Harris is what "gave Trump the win"?
Yep.[/QUOTE]What did I write?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963845]The country's split down the middle. Trump doesn't have a mandate. And despite your protestations neither do Democrats, either now, or when Biden and Obama were president.[/QUOTE]Your screen shot shows Trump with 49.83% of the vote. AP at this moment shows Trump with 50.0%. The difference is 0. 17%. If you had 1000 people, it would take a swing of 2 to get from 49.83% to over 50%. That's meaningless. The 50% "mandate" is meaningless, especially when you have a lot of people like me voting for 3rd Party Candidates and Amy the Wonder Dog (write ins).
The only significance of the 50% number is that Democrats LOVE to cherry pick periods and say how many Republican presidents didn't get 50% of the vote, while ignoring the number of Democrats who didn't get 50%. If you go back to WWII, there were 9 presidential elections Democrats won and 5 won by greater than 50%. And there were 11 with Republican winners and 7 won by greater than 50%. That's assuming Trump ultimately gets less than 50% this year.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin[/URL]
Democrats also LOVE to point out that Republicans got more than their fair share of House seats in 2012,2014, and 2016, while failing to point out that they got more than their fair share in 32 of 40 elections since World War II. Sometimes they got A LOT more, like 8. 5% to 10.9% more in 8 of those elections.
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]
But that's all water under the bridge. Again, the fact is, the country's split down the middle and nobody has a mandate. The best solution is to devolve more power to the states and cities, so where feasible you don't have Republicans imposing unwanted policies on blue cities and states and vice versa.
Are you aligned with Stephen Miller on the issue of Muslims and immigration?
You know, for "the definitive source for real time election results", AP appears to so lazy about it they just round up popular vote counts whenever they feel like it. And when I do a Google Search on the simple Latest Presidential Election Popular Vote Count, AP has older counts than either CNN or The Cook Political Report.
That being the case, yeah, at this writing AP is still hanging on to their obviously lazy rounded up 50.0% number for Trump while a more recent count by CNN shows him at 49.9% and an even more recent count by The Cook Political Report shows him at 49.83%.
[URL]https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college[/URL]
Just sayin'.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2963931][I]Tariffs were one of the pillars of the American System that allowed the rapid development and industrialization of the United States.
The United States pursued a protectionist policy from the beginning of the 19th century until the middle of the 20th century. Between 1861 and 1933, they had one of the highest average tariff rates on manufactured imports in the world.
Tariffs were the greatest (approaching 95% at times) source of federal revenue until the federal income tax began after 1913. For well over a century the federal government was largely financed by tariffs averaging about 20% on foreign imports. At the end of the American Civil War in 1865 about 63% of Federal income was generated by the excise taxes, which exceeded the 25.4% generated by tariffs. In 1915 during World War I, tariffs generated 30.1% of revenues. Since 1935, tariff income has continued to be a declining percentage of Federal tax income.[/I]
Let's get back to high tariffs and low income taxes.[/QUOTE]
Excellent topic for discussion. In 2023 the value of U.S. imports were 3.83 trillion. Federal government expenditures were 6.2 trillion. So you're not going to get anywhere close to funding the federal government with a 20% tariff with current spending.
The system you're proposing works for some very prosperous countries, like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The thing is though that they import a very large % of what they consume.
Back when tariffs funded the USA's federal government, government expenditures were a lot lower. And we didn't have worldwide supply chains and the like.
I'm a big believer in Comparative Advantage so don't like tariffs. We're all more prosperous when countries produce the goods they can produce more efficiently. China is very efficient at producing textiles and consumer electronics and has the supply chains in place to do that. The USA is very good with jet airplanes, software, etc. Why have Americans making garments and the like when they can do higher value work?
High tariffs make it where countries don't fully take advantage of their strengths. They also induce crony capitalism. Industries that have the ear of the politicians or that grease their palms ask for and get tariff and trade barriers. They can become fat and lazy and uncompetitive in world markets. Obviously tariffs raise prices. People pay more for good than they would without tariffs.
Singapore and Hong Kong, which are very prosperous places, don't levy tariffs, and Chile, for long the "miracle economy" of Latin America, levies them at very low rates. I believe that smaller government and rule of law are necessary to have a very prosperous country. That's unless you have advantages like lots of oil (Norway) or you're small and/or a tax haven (Monaco). I think having relatively free trade is important too, although I'm not as sure. Take your adopted country as an example. Thailand imposes huge import duties and excise taxes on autos but largely exempts pickups from high taxes. It gives tax preferences to exporters. As a result it became a major worldwide manufacturing center for pickups. They're trying to do something similar with EV's right now. Does this kind of industrial policy work to the advantage of the working man? I'm not sure.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage[/url]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963990]What did I write?
Your screen shot shows Trump with 49.83% of the vote. AP at this moment shows Trump with 50.0%. The difference is 0. 17%. If you had 1000 people, it would take a swing of 2 to get from 49.83% to over 50%. That's meaningless. The 50% "mandate" is meaningless, especially when you have a lot of people like me voting for 3rd Party Candidates and Amy the Wonder Dog (write ins).
The only significance of the 50% number is that Democrats LOVE to cherry pick periods and say how many Republican presidents didn't get 50% of the vote, while ignoring the number of Democrats who didn't get 50%. If you go back to WWII, there were 9 presidential elections Democrats won and 5 won by greater than 50%. And there were 11 with Republican winners and 7 won by greater than 50%. That's assuming Trump ultimately gets less than 50% this year.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin[/URL]
Democrats also LOVE to point out that Republicans got more than their fair share of House seats in 2012,2014, and 2016, while failing to point out that they got more than their fair share in 32 of 40 elections since World War II. Sometimes they got A LOT more, like 8. 5% to 10.9% more in 8 of those elections.
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]
But that's all water under the bridge. Again, the fact is, the country's split down the middle and nobody has a mandate. The best solution is to devolve more power to the states and cities, so where feasible you don't have Republicans imposing unwanted policies on blue cities and states and vice versa.
Are you aligned with Stephen Miller on the issue of Muslims and immigration?[/QUOTE]I don't recall Clinton, Obama or Biden claiming their election wins gave them a "Mandate" to do anything.
At likely a 1. 6 point lead over Harris, meaning less than a single percentage point swap, 0. 8 point, plus 1 more vote and Trump would have lost the popular vote for a third time, Trump's vote count win was narrower than any of those other presidents yet he is claiming he was given an "unprecedented Mandate" by the voters. And his supporters appear to agree with him.
I would welcome a Repub Party that merely cherry-picked details that suit them. It's when they add making shit up to the cherry-picking that makes them so special.
And I find it hard to classify as "cherry-picking" the fact that Repub presidents, their policies and stewardship have produced and presided over every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and none of the Historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Creation while Dem policies and stewardship have produced and presided over every Great Economic Recovery, Expansion and Historic Jobs Creation and none of the Depressions, Great Recessions and Jobs Destruction.
Trump was given a less than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslim vote spread over three states "mandate". He can honestly take pride in that and tout it at every public appearance. If they had voted for Harris instead he would have lost the election but still could claim a Plurality of the vote "win" by about 1. 6 point or, again, a swap of less than 1 percentage point would have reversed it.
I am not claiming those Netanyahu-hating Muslims who "gave Trump the presidency" cheated or ought to be deported. As far as I know they put Trump in the White House fair and square despite the fact that they are now realizing it was a pretty dumb thing to do.
You and the other MAGAs can relax in the knowledge that Repubs' remarkable run of getting fewer votes than their Dem opponent went from 1992 until today with 2 extremely narrow exceptions and only when the Repub is running for a second term after having "won" the first with fewer votes than their Dem opponent.
Be proud and loud about it!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963996]Excellent topic for discussion. In 2023 the value of U.S. imports were 3.83 trillion. Federal government expenditures were 6.2 trillion. So you're not going to get anywhere close to funding the federal government with a 20% tariff with current spending.[/QUOTE]So you illustrate how important is is to rein in government spending.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963996]The system you're proposing works for some very prosperous countries, like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The thing is though that they import a very large % of what they consume. Back when tariffs funded the USA's federal government, government expenditures were a lot lower. And we didn't have worldwide supply chains and the like..[/QUOTE]Thank you for making my point yet again!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963996]Obviously tariffs raise prices. People pay more for good than they would without tariffs.[/QUOTE]Good! Make pay to be a producer not a consumer.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963996] I believe that smaller government and rule of law are necessary to have a very prosperous country.[/QUOTE]You may believe in that but the democrats don't.
Prices of vehicles are much lower in Thailand than in my country of origin. [B]Full Stop![/B] I want lower income taxes; I don't care how they do its Smaller Government or Tariffs. Just get it done. I see the democrats focused on dick politics not prosperity of the United States of America in general. Plus Democrats ignore the cypto vote. I have made posts outlining how President Elect Trump has already made positive moves for the crypto industry and he has not even taken office yet. I am on moderation and I don't under die in moderation like bills that a good for the crypto have died in committee under a Democratic administration.
See you at the midterms!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963996]Excellent topic for discussion. In 2023 the value of U.S. imports were 3.83 trillion. Federal government expenditures were 6.2 trillion. So you're not going to get anywhere close to funding the federal government with a 20% tariff with current spending.
The system you're proposing works for some very prosperous countries, like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The thing is though that they import a very large % of what they consume.
Back when tariffs funded the USA's federal government, government expenditures were a lot lower. And we didn't have worldwide supply chains and the like.
I'm a big believer in Comparative Advantage so don't like tariffs. We're all more prosperous when countries produce the goods they can produce more efficiently. China is very efficient at producing textiles and consumer electronics and has the supply chains in place to do that. The USA is very good with jet airplanes, software, etc. Why have Americans making garments and the like when they can do higher value work?
High tariffs make it where countries don't fully take advantage of their strengths. They also induce crony capitalism. Industries that have the ear of the politicians or that grease their palms ask for and get tariff and trade barriers. They can become fat and lazy and uncompetitive in world markets. Obviously tariffs raise prices. People pay more for good than they would without tariffs.
Singapore and Hong Kong, which are very prosperous places, don't levy tariffs, and Chile, for long the "miracle economy" of Latin America, levies them at very low rates. I believe that smaller government and rule of law are necessary to have a very prosperous country. That's unless you have advantages like lots of oil (Norway) or you're small and/or a tax haven (Monaco). I think having relatively free trade is important too, although I'm not as sure. Take your adopted country as an example. Thailand imposes huge import duties and excise taxes on autos but largely exempts pickups from high taxes. It gives tax preferences to exporters. As a result it became a major worldwide manufacturing center for pickups. They're trying to do something similar with EV's right now. Does this kind of industrial policy work to the advantage of the working man? I'm not sure.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage[/url][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/11/19/breitbart-business-digest-the-gop-returns-to-its-roots-as-the-party-of-tariffs/[/URL]
"I'm not sure" are you sure?
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[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963996]Excellent topic for discussion. In 2023 the value of U.S. imports were 3.83 trillion. Federal government expenditures were 6.2 trillion. So you're not going to get anywhere close to funding the federal government with a 20% tariff with current spending.
The system you're proposing works for some very prosperous countries, like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The thing is though that they import a very large % of what they consume.
Back when tariffs funded the USA's federal government, government expenditures were a lot lower. And we didn't have worldwide supply chains and the like.
I'm a big believer in Comparative Advantage so don't like tariffs. We're all more prosperous when countries produce the goods they can produce more efficiently. China is very efficient at producing textiles and consumer electronics and has the supply chains in place to do that. The USA is very good with jet airplanes, software, etc. Why have Americans making garments and the like when they can do higher value work?
High tariffs make it where countries don't fully take advantage of their strengths. They also induce crony capitalism. Industries that have the ear of the politicians or that grease their palms ask for and get tariff and trade barriers. They can become fat and lazy and uncompetitive in world markets. Obviously tariffs raise prices. People pay more for good than they would without tariffs.
Singapore and Hong Kong, which are very prosperous places, don't levy tariffs, and Chile, for long the "miracle economy" of Latin America, levies them at very low rates. I believe that smaller government and rule of law are necessary to have a very prosperous country. That's unless you have advantages like lots of oil (Norway) or you're small and/or a tax haven (Monaco). I think having relatively free trade is important too, although I'm not as sure. Take your adopted country as an example. Thailand imposes huge import duties and excise taxes on autos but largely exempts pickups from high taxes. It gives tax preferences to exporters. As a result it became a major worldwide manufacturing center for pickups. They're trying to do something similar with EV's right now. Does this kind of industrial policy work to the advantage of the working man? I'm not sure.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage[/url][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/28/opinion/wolfgang-streeck-populism.html[/URL]
By Christopher Caldwell.
Mr. Caldwell is a contributing Opinion writer who reports frequently on European politics, culture and society.
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Who could have seen Donald Trump's resounding victory coming? Ask the question of an American intellectual these days and you may meet with embittered silence. Ask a European intellectual and you will likely hear the name of Wolfgang Streeck, a German sociologist and theorist of capitalism.
In recent decades, Mr. Streeck has described the complaints of populist movements with unequaled power. That is because he has a convincing theory of what has gone wrong in the complex gearworks of American-driven globalization, and he has been able to lay it out with clarity. Mr. Streeck may be best known for his essays in The New Left Review, including a dazzling series on the cascade of financial crises that followed the crash of 2008. He resembles Karl Marx in his conviction that capitalism has certain internal contradictions that make it unsustainable the more so in its present "neoliberal" form. His latest book, "Taking Back Control? States and State Systems After Globalism," published this month, asks whether the global economy as it is now set up is compatible with democracy. He has his doubts.
Understand Mr. Streeck and you will understand a lot about the left-wing movements that share his worldview Syriza in Greece, Podemos in Spain and the new Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance in Germany. But you will also understand Viktor Orban, Brexit and Mr. Trump.
Mr. Streeck (whose name rhymes with "cake") argues that today's contradictions of capitalism have been building for half a century. Between the end of World War II and the 1970's, he reminds us, working classes in Western countries won robust incomes and extensive protections. Profit margins suffered, of course, but that was in the nature of what Mr. Streeck calls the "postwar settlement. " What economies lost in dynamism, they gained in social stability.
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But starting in the 1970's, things began to change. Sometime after the Arab oil embargo of 1973, investors got nervous. The economy began to stall. This placed politicians in a bind. Workers had the votes to demand more services. But that required making demands on business, and business was having none of it. States finessed the matter by permitting the money supply to expand. For a brief while, this maneuver allowed them to offer more to workers without demanding more of bosses. Essentially, governments had begun borrowing from the next generation.
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That was the Rubicon, Mr. Streeck believes: "the first time after the postwar growth period that states took to introducing not-yet-existing future resources into the conflict between labor and capital. " They never broke the habit.
Very quickly their policies sparked inflation. Investors balked again. It took a painful tightening of money to stabilize prices. Ronald Reagan's supply-side regime eased the pain a bit, but only by running record government deficits. Bill Clinton was able to eliminate these, but only by deregulating private banking and borrowing, Mr. Streeck shows. In other words, the dangerous debt exposure was shifted out of the Treasury and into the bank accounts of middle-class and working-class households. This led, eventually, to the financial crisis of 2008.
As Mr. Streeck sees it, a series of (mostly American) attempts to calm the economy after the '70's produced the system we now call neoliberalism. "Neoliberalism," he argues, "was, above all, a political-economic project to end the inflation state and free capital from its imprisonment in the postwar settlement. " This project has never really been reconsidered, even as one administration's fix turns into the next generation's crisis.
At each stage of neoliberalism's evolution, Mr. Streeck stresses, key decisions have been made by technocrats, experts and other actors relatively insulated from democratic accountability. When the crash came in 2008, central bankers stepped in to take over the economy, devising quantitative easing and other novel methods of generating liquidity. During the Covid emergency of 2020 and 2021, Western countries turned into full-blown expertocracies, bypassing democracy outright. A minuscule class of administrators issued mandates on every aspect of national life masks, vaccinations, travel, education, church openings and incurred debt at levels that even the most profligate Reaganite would have considered surreal.
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Mr. Streeck has a clear vision of something paradoxical about the neoliberal project: For the global economy to be "free," it must be constrained. What the proponents of neoliberalism mean by a free market is a deregulated market. But getting to deregulation is trickier than it looks because in free societies, regulations are the result of people's sovereign right to make their own rules. The more democratic the world's societies are, the more idiosyncratic they will be, and the more their economic rules will diverge. But that is exactly what businesses cannot tolerate at least not under globalization. Money and goods must be able to move frictionlessly and efficiently across borders. This requires a uniform set of laws. Somehow, democracy is going to have to give way.
A uniform set of laws also requires a single international norm. Which norm? That's another problem, as Mr. Streeck sees it: The global regime we have is a reliable copy of the American one. This brings order and efficiency but also tilts the playing field in favor of American corporations, banks and investors.
Perhaps that is what blighted the West's relations with Russia, where the transition to global capitalism "was tightly controlled by American government agencies, foundations and and. G. O. S," Mr. Streeck says, and the oligarchs who emerged to run the government in the 1990's were "received with open arms by American corporations and, not least, the London real estate market. " To an Indian or a Chinese person, "free markets" established on these terms might carry the threat of imperial highhandedness and lost self-determination.
This insight gives us a context for understanding the persistent grievances of movements like Mr. Trump's, and their equally persistent popularity. What happens on the imperial level also happens at the local level, within the United States and the Western European societies that make the rules of globalization. Non-technocrats, whether they are the resentful members of the old working class or just people wisecracking about the progressive pieties of corporate human resource managers, are not going to be permitted to tangle up the system with their demands.
As we no longer have an economic policy that is managed democratically, it should not be surprising that it produces unfair outcomes. Nor should it be surprising that in the wake of the mortgage crisis, Covid, the war in Ukraine and so-called Bidenflation, this unfairness would give rise to what Mr. Streeck calls "tendencies toward deglobalization" such as those that emerged with a vengeance on Nov. 5.
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The "global economy" is a place where common people have no leverage. Parties of the left lost sight of such problems after the 1970's, Mr. Streeck notes. They allowed their old structure, oriented around industrial workers and primarily concerned with workers' rights and living standards, to be infiltrated and overthrown by intellectuals, who were primarily concerned with promoting systems of values, such as human rights and lately the set of principles known as wokeism.
It is in disputing the wisdom of this shift that Mr. Streeck is most likely to antagonize American Democrats and others who think of themselves (usually incorrectly) as belonging to the left. He, too, thinks that democracy is in crisis, but only because it is being thwarted by the very elites who purport to champion it. Among the people, democracy is thriving. After decades of decline in voter turnout, there has been a steep and steady rise in participation over the past 20 years at least for parties whose candidates reflect a genuine popular sentiment. As this has happened, liberal commentators who tend to back what Mr. Streeck calls "parties of the standard model" have changed their definition of democracy, he writes: They see high electoral participation as a troubling expression of discontent, "endangering rather than strengthening democracy. ".
This new, topsy-turvy idea of democracy comes with a new political strategy. The interests and agendas of standard-issue parties are increasingly reinforced by the media and other grandees of globalization. These actors have "fought against the new wave of politicization," Mr. Streeck writes, "with the full arsenal of instruments at their disposal propagandistic, cultural, legal, institutional. ".
Mr. Streeck is probably referring here to the obstacles put in the way of so-called left-wing movements in Europe Syriza, Podemos, La France Insoumise in France. But his observation applies just as well to so-called right-wing parties. At present, Marine LE Pen, whose party won the most votes in France's national elections last summer, is standing trial for embezzlement before a court that may ban her from politics for five years. In Germany this month, more than a hundred members of the Bundestag requested a constitutional ban on the country's fast-growing right-wing party the Alternative for Germany, ahead of national elections scheduled for February.
There are dangers, too, in the way partisan prosecutors, in the run-up to the USA Presidential election, convicted Mr. Trump of 34 felonies involving bookkeeping, on a legal theory so novel that not one American in a thousand could explain what he had been convicted of. A majority of Americans effectively voided the conviction at the ballot box.
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Mr. Streeck's new book is not about Mr. Trump's triumph. But his message (or his warning, however you choose to read it) is not unrelated: The left must embrace populism, which is merely the name given to the struggle over an alternative to globalism. With globalism collapsing under its own contradictions, all serious politics is now populist in one way or another.
A couple of popular ways to measure the size of the Federal Government is based on Federal Spending Per Capita and the number of Rules listed in the Federal Register.
For whatever strange reason, some people focus on the number of [I]pages[/I] in the Federal Register. I don't see what that has to do with anything important. It seems to me it is the number of rules added or subtracted that matter and not how many paragraphs it takes to clarify or explain the rules.
And I say that despite the fact that the number of pages grew quite a bit under Trump.
However, when it comes to increases in Federal Spending Per Capita, a few standouts are unavoidable:
Spending remained steady or declined under Dems Clinton and Obama but skyrocketed under Repubs GW Bush and Trump. Otherwise, there is no notable difference in the steady growth of that expenditure from LBJ to Nixon / Ford to Carter to Reagan to Bush1, Dem or Repub, it doesn't matter much, they all grew it, even the supposed Icon of Less Spending and Smaller Government Repub Ronald Reagan:
[B]See graph below[/B]
[URL]https://www.federalbudgetinpictures.com/federal-spending-per-person-is-skyrocketing/[/URL]#text=Adjusted%20 for%20 inflation%2 see%20 federal%20 spending, Louis%20 Federal%20 Reserve.
And for the number of Rules logged in the Federal Register, there is also little difference among the first year and hand-off year of the incoming and outgoing presidents going back to GHW Bush; they all reduced them slightly except for Dem Obama, who increased them very slightly and Repub Trump who increased them dramatically:
[B]See graph below[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2023/12/29/bidens-2023-federal-register-page-count-is-the-second-highest-ever/[/URL]
It should also be noted that so-called President-elect Repub Trump has already announced a planned unprecedented expansion of the Executive Branch in the Federal Government by the creation of a new Cabinet Office to be Chaired by two (2), not 1 Secretary, Musk and Ramaswamy. I have heard Trump plans to unabashedly name it The Department of Whatever Elonia and Vivek Can Find to Give Their Business Interests an Unfair Advantage and Impoverish Everyone Else and I will Issue an Executive Order to Make That Happen.
Or something like that. Maybe a clever anagram.
So for expanding the Expenditures and Size of the Federal Government and despite what they say about themselves and what their perennial benefactors in Mainstream Media can convince the sucker American Electorate into believing, Repubs are the Undefeated Champions over the Dems going back to at least the 1960's.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2964056][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/11/19/breitbart-business-digest-the-gop-returns-to-its-roots-as-the-party-of-tariffs/[/URL]
"I'm not sure" are you sure?
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/11/19/breitbart-business-digest-the-gop-returns-to-its-roots-as-the-party-of-tariffs/[/URL][/QUOTE]That's very true. The GOP is in danger of again becoming the party of the Crony Capitalists, northern manufacturers and the like.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2964096][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/28/opinion/wolfgang-streeck-populism.html[/URL]
By Christopher Caldwell.
Mr. Caldwell is a contributing Opinion writer who reports frequently on European politics, culture and society.
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Who could have seen Donald Trump's resounding victory coming? Ask the question of an American intellectual these days and you may meet with embittered silence. Ask a European intellectual and you will likely hear the name of Wolfgang Streeck, a German sociologist and theorist of capitalism.
In recent decades, Mr. Streeck has described the complaints of populist movements with unequaled power. That is because he has a convincing theory of what has gone wrong in the complex gearworks of American-driven globalization, and he has been able to lay it out with clarity. Mr. Streeck may be best known for his essays in The New Left Review, including a dazzling series on the cascade of financial crises that followed the crash of 2008. He resembles Karl Marx in his conviction that capitalism has certain internal contradictions that make it unsustainable the more so in its present "neoliberal" form. His latest book, "Taking Back Control? States and State Systems After Globalism," published this month, asks whether the global economy as it is now set up is compatible with democracy. He has his doubts.
Understand Mr. Streeck and you will understand a lot about the left-wing movements that share his worldview Syriza in Greece, Podemos in Spain and the new Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance in Germany. But you will also understand Viktor Orban, Brexit and Mr. Trump.
Mr. Streeck (whose name rhymes with "cake") argues that today's contradictions of capitalism have been building for half a century. Between the end of World War II and the 1970's, he reminds us, working classes in Western countries won robust incomes and extensive protections. Profit margins suffered, of course, but that was in the nature of what Mr. Streeck calls the "postwar settlement. " What economies lost in dynamism, they gained in social stability.
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But starting in the 1970's, things began to change. Sometime after the Arab oil embargo of 1973, investors got nervous. The economy began to stall. This placed politicians in a bind. Workers had the votes to demand more services. But that required making demands on business, and business was having none of it. States finessed the matter by permitting the money supply to expand. For a brief while, this maneuver allowed them to offer more to workers without demanding more of bosses. Essentially, governments had begun borrowing from the next generation.
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That was the Rubicon, Mr. Streeck believes: "the first time after the postwar growth period that states took to introducing not-yet-existing future resources into the conflict between labor and capital. " They never broke the habit.
Very quickly their policies sparked inflation. Investors balked again. It took a painful tightening of money to stabilize prices. Ronald Reagan's supply-side regime eased the pain a bit, but only by running record government deficits. Bill Clinton was able to eliminate these, but only by deregulating private banking and borrowing, Mr. Streeck shows. In other words, the dangerous debt exposure was shifted out of the Treasury and into the bank accounts of middle-class and working-class households. This led, eventually, to the financial crisis of 2008.
As Mr. Streeck sees it, a series of (mostly American) attempts to calm the economy after the '70's produced the system we now call neoliberalism. "Neoliberalism," he argues, "was, above all, a political-economic project to end the inflation state and free capital from its imprisonment in the postwar settlement. " This project has never really been reconsidered, even as one administration's fix turns into the next generation's crisis.
At each stage of neoliberalism's evolution, Mr. Streeck stresses, key decisions have been made by technocrats, experts and other actors relatively insulated from democratic accountability. When the crash came in 2008, central bankers stepped in to take over the economy, devising quantitative easing and other novel methods of generating liquidity. During the Covid emergency of 2020 and 2021, Western countries turned into full-blown expertocracies, bypassing democracy outright. A minuscule class of administrators issued mandates on every aspect of national life masks, vaccinations, travel, education, church openings and incurred debt at levels that even the most profligate Reaganite would have considered surreal.
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Mr. Streeck has a clear vision of something paradoxical about the neoliberal project: For the global economy to be "free," it must be constrained. What the proponents of neoliberalism mean by a free market is a deregulated market. But getting to deregulation is trickier than it looks because in free societies, regulations are the result of people's sovereign right to make their own rules. The more democratic the world's societies are, the more idiosyncratic they will be, and the more their economic rules will diverge. But that is exactly what businesses cannot tolerate at least not under globalization. Money and goods must be able to move frictionlessly and efficiently across borders. This requires a uniform set of laws. Somehow, democracy is going to have to give way.
A uniform set of laws also requires a single international norm. Which norm? That's another problem, as Mr. Streeck sees it: The global regime we have is a reliable copy of the American one. This brings order and efficiency but also tilts the playing field in favor of American corporations, banks and investors.
Perhaps that is what blighted the West's relations with Russia, where the transition to global capitalism "was tightly controlled by American government agencies, foundations and and. G. O. S," Mr. Streeck says, and the oligarchs who emerged to run the government in the 1990's were "received with open arms by American corporations and, not least, the London real estate market. " To an Indian or a Chinese person, "free markets" established on these terms might carry the threat of imperial highhandedness and lost self-determination.
This insight gives us a context for understanding the persistent grievances of movements like Mr. Trump's, and their equally persistent popularity. What happens on the imperial level also happens at the local level, within the United States and the Western European societies that make the rules of globalization. Non-technocrats, whether they are the resentful members of the old working class or just people wisecracking about the progressive pieties of corporate human resource managers, are not going to be permitted to tangle up the system with their demands.
As we no longer have an economic policy that is managed democratically, it should not be surprising that it produces unfair outcomes. Nor should it be surprising that in the wake of the mortgage crisis, Covid, the war in Ukraine and so-called Bidenflation, this unfairness would give rise to what Mr. Streeck calls "tendencies toward deglobalization" such as those that emerged with a vengeance on Nov. 5.
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The "global economy" is a place where common people have no leverage. Parties of the left lost sight of such problems after the 1970's, Mr. Streeck notes. They allowed their old structure, oriented around industrial workers and primarily concerned with workers' rights and living standards, to be infiltrated and overthrown by intellectuals, who were primarily concerned with promoting systems of values, such as human rights and lately the set of principles known as wokeism.
It is in disputing the wisdom of this shift that Mr. Streeck is most likely to antagonize American Democrats and others who think of themselves (usually incorrectly) as belonging to the left. He, too, thinks that democracy is in crisis, but only because it is being thwarted by the very elites who purport to champion it. Among the people, democracy is thriving. After decades of decline in voter turnout, there has been a steep and steady rise in participation over the past 20 years at least for parties whose candidates reflect a genuine popular sentiment. As this has happened, liberal commentators who tend to back what Mr. Streeck calls "parties of the standard model" have changed their definition of democracy, he writes: They see high electoral participation as a troubling expression of discontent, "endangering rather than strengthening democracy. ".
This new, topsy-turvy idea of democracy comes with a new political strategy. The interests and agendas of standard-issue parties are increasingly reinforced by the media and other grandees of globalization. These actors have "fought against the new wave of politicization," Mr. Streeck writes, "with the full arsenal of instruments at their disposal propagandistic, cultural, legal, institutional. ".
Mr. Streeck is probably referring here to the obstacles put in the way of so-called left-wing movements in Europe Syriza, Podemos, La France Insoumise in France. But his observation applies just as well to so-called right-wing parties. At present, Marine LE Pen, whose party won the most votes in France's national elections last summer, is standing trial for embezzlement before a court that may ban her from politics for five years. In Germany this month, more than a hundred members of the Bundestag requested a constitutional ban on the country's fast-growing right-wing party the Alternative for Germany, ahead of national elections scheduled for February.
There are dangers, too, in the way partisan prosecutors, in the run-up to the USA Presidential election, convicted Mr. Trump of 34 felonies involving bookkeeping, on a legal theory so novel that not one American in a thousand could explain what he had been convicted of. A majority of Americans effectively voided the conviction at the ballot box.
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Mr. Streeck's new book is not about Mr. Trump's triumph. But his message (or his warning, however you choose to read it) is not unrelated: The left must embrace populism, which is merely the name given to the struggle over an alternative to globalism. With globalism collapsing under its own contradictions, all serious politics is now populist in one way or another.[/QUOTE]I just wasted 10 minutes of my life, that I'll never get back, reading the incoherent ramblings of a European Marxist Sociologist. He sounds a lot like your Good Buddy Bernie.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964139]A couple of popular ways to measure the size of the Federal Government is based on Federal Spending Per Capita and the number of Rules listed in the Federal Register.
For whatever strange reason, some people focus on the number of [I]pages[/I] in the Federal Register. I don't see what that has to do with anything important. It seems to me it is the number of rules added or subtracted that matter and not how many paragraphs it takes to clarify or explain the rules.
And I say that despite the fact that the number of pages grew quite a bit under Trump.
However, when it comes to increases in Federal Spending Per Capita, a few standouts are unavoidable:
Spending remained steady or declined under Dems Clinton and Obama but skyrocketed under Repubs GW Bush and Trump. Otherwise, there is no notable difference in the steady growth of that expenditure from LBJ to Nixon / Ford to Carter to Reagan to Bush1, Dem or Repub, it doesn't matter much, they all grew it, even the supposed Icon of Less Spending and Smaller Government Repub Ronald Reagan:
[B]See graph below[/B]
[URL]https://www.federalbudgetinpictures.com/federal-spending-per-person-is-skyrocketing/[/URL]#text=Adjusted%20 for%20 inflation%2 see%20 federal%20 spending, Louis%20 Federal%20 Reserve.
And for the number of Rules logged in the Federal Register, there is also little difference among the first year and hand-off year of the incoming and outgoing presidents going back to GHW Bush; they all reduced them slightly except for Dem Obama, who increased them very slightly and Repub Trump who increased them dramatically:
[B]See graph below[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2023/12/29/bidens-2023-federal-register-page-count-is-the-second-highest-ever/[/URL]
It should also be noted that so-called President-elect Repub Trump has already announced a planned unprecedented expansion of the Executive Branch in the Federal Government by the creation of a new Cabinet Office to be Chaired by two (2), not 1 Secretary, Musk and Ramaswamy. I have heard Trump plans to unabashedly name it The Department of Whatever Elonia and Vivek Can Find to Give Their Business Interests an Unfair Advantage and Impoverish Everyone Else and I will Issue an Executive Order to Make That Happen.
Or something like that. Maybe a clever anagram.
So for expanding the Expenditures and Size of the Federal Government and despite what they say about themselves and what their perennial benefactors in Mainstream Media can convince the sucker American Electorate into believing, Repubs are the Undefeated Champions over the Dems going back to at least the 1960's.[/QUOTE]It looks like the number of rules per year issued during the Trump administration were a lot less than under the other presidents. Maybe that was the result of his push for deregulation. Off the subject, deregulation and the corporate tax cut were more responsible for the improvement in real income of the workingman during 2018 and 2019 than any of that Marxist mumbo jumbo in the Marquis' NYT piece. And yes, unlike during other modern presidencies, Clinton, Gingrich et al did a good job of slowing the growth of government expenditures. Obama however did not.
Your attempts to blame the 2020 pandemic and related bipartisan government spending and recession on Trump still aren't convincing. As I understand it, the DOGE will not even be funded by government, or a cabinet office.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2964185]It looks like the number of rules per year issued during the Trump administration were a lot less than under the other presidents. Maybe that was the result of his push for deregulation. Off the subject, deregulation and the corporate tax cut were more responsible for the improvement in real income of the workingman during 2018 and 2019 than any of that Marxist mumbo jumbo in the Marquis' NYT piece. And yes, unlike during other modern presidencies, Clinton, Gingrich et al did a good job of slowing the growth of government expenditures. Obama however did not.
Your attempts to blame the 2020 pandemic and related bipartisan government spending and recession on Trump still aren't convincing. As I understand it, the DOGE will not even be funded by government, or a cabinet office.[/QUOTE]Trump's tax cuts and supposed deregulation did nothing to create jobs or increase wages for the fewer jobs created with it than without it.
Thank the Dems' increasing the minimum wage in dozens of Blue Cities and Blue States where most of America's Working Men and Women are anyway in 2018 and 2019 for increased wages and any lower unemployment rates from what he inherited from Obama-Biden seen under Trump.
Even before it was passes the CEOs who benefitted most from his tax cuts and from whom all these business expansions and jobs creation was supposed to flow promised they weren't going to do any such thing with those tax cuts and would instead just buy back some of their losing company stock. Which is exactly what they did.
If they created any jobs at all it was because American Workers with more money in their pockets (See what the Dems did above to make that happen) created more demand for goods and services and the CEOs HAD to hire more help to fill the demand.
Then Trump's 2018 and 2019 decisions ushered in and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic and he wiped out millions upon millions of jobs on his way out and handed that mess to Biden-Harris to clean up.
Come on. I have provided every link imaginable necessary for anyone to know what I wrote here is 100% true and what you wrote is pure wishing and hoping that someday, somehow Repub-style Supply-Side / Trickle-Down will actually create more jobs than it destroys or at least matches half of what Dem-style Demand-side policies have created for decades.
Sorry. But it didn't, never did and never will.
LOL. You're just lucky I didn't have time to include a comparison of "Bang For The Buck" between what Dem Spending Per Capita and Rules in the Federal Register produced vs that of Repubs in terms of Jobs Created, Business Expansion, Safety Net Programs Funded, Retirement Funds fattened and so on over those same time periods. That is where Dems really shine and Repubs are utterly destroyed. Or would be if typically pro Repub MSM wasn't election campaiging 24/7 to spin it in favor of their beloved reliable Disaster Headlines-producing Repubs.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2963835]The solution is simple ...[/QUOTE] Yeah, your right, the "solution is simple" ....JUST STOP CHANGING OR ADDING WORDS TO MY POSTS!!!
Got it, good!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2963608][B]Trump vows to raise tariffs on all goods from China, Canada and Mexico.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/26/trump-vows-an-additional-10percent-tariff-on-china-25percent-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Of course, the beauty in Trump repeating this promise so emphatically is that, as we all know, suppliers and retailers will not wait until Trump's Tariffs Tax Increases on the American Consumer officially take effect. Oh no. Many of them will start jacking up prices sooner than that in order to "get ahead of the game" on the increases. Just as happened with food and restaurant menu prices starting in 2018 and 2019 as Trump launched into his previous failed Trade War with China.
The perennial Classic:[/QUOTE]YES...a perennial classic Repub debacle, indeed!
Although, I'm inclined to believe, the upcoming "Trump Tariffs", is nothing more than a grift. That's right folks, just like anything that happens in a MAGA administration, Trump's so called "tariffs", is probably nothing more than the next grift, in a long line of GRIFTS!
[I][LIST][b]Why Trump's new threats for Day One trade tariffs matter?[/b] Nov. 26, 2024
Throughout the 2024 presidential race, Donald Trump made a series of bold claims about his love of trade tariffs and the magical results they would produce...but the GOP candidate nevertheless tried to sell voters on the idea that radical and consequential tariffs would work wonders. ...
[b]Finally, keep an eye on the corruption angle.[/b] When tariffs are imposed, administrations often [u]create loopholes and exceptions, opening the door to lobbyists eager to deal[/u]. Don't be surprised if the Trump White House starts making assessments about companies and industries that [b]"play ball"[/b] in ways the incoming president likes.
Buckle up. [url]https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-new-threats-day-one-trade-tariffs-matter-rcna181793[/url][/LIST][/I]
[u][B]ROUND #2:[/B] [/u]
No doubt, Trump will once again, grift his way to shafting American taxpayers, to swallow a $28 billion dollar tax payment [I](I mean talk about socialism...kkkk!),[/I] like he did in his first term in office, to make whole and bailout US farmers, in a tariff trade war of his own making, with China, India and other countries.
Yes indeed, a perennial Trump\Repub classic debacle!
All while, posing "tariffs" on one hand, while holding out the other hand, to receive millions, from lobbyists, companies and businesses, wanting to [b]"play ball"[/b] and "DEAL" their way pass, so called "tariffs".
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2963835]The solution is simple. Don't use the "P" word and I won't replace it with ****. I'm not going to intentionally use or quote the word in my posts. It's not a good look for this site. Regrettably, I see I failed to remove the offending word the last time I quoted you.
And if you don't like having "(sic)" inserted, don't make spelling, grammatical or typographical errors.
Sic - adverb - used in brackets or parentheses after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2964231]Yeah, your right, the "solution is simple" ....JUST STOP CHANGING OR ADDING WORDS TO MY POSTS!!!
Got it, good![/QUOTE]What's more misleading Spidy? Me replacing a word I find objectionable with **** and inserting "(sic)" after your odd or erroneous wording? Or you shortening my quote so that someone reading your post won't understand you're upset about nothing?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2964181]I just wasted 10 minutes of my life, that I'll never get back, reading the incoherent ramblings of a European Marxist Sociologist. He sounds a lot like your Good Buddy Bernie.[/QUOTE]I'm only here to share the truth.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964019]I don't recall Clinton, Obama or Biden claiming their election wins gave them a "Mandate" to do anything.
At likely a 1. 6 point lead over Harris, meaning less than a single percentage point swap, 0. 8 point, plus 1 more vote and Trump would have lost the popular vote for a third time, Trump's vote count win was narrower than any of those other presidents yet he is claiming he was given an "unprecedented Mandate" by the voters. And his supporters appear to agree with him.
I would welcome a Repub Party that merely cherry-picked details that suit them. It's when they add making shit up to the cherry-picking that makes them so special.
And I find it hard to classify as "cherry-picking" the fact that Repub presidents, their policies and stewardship have produced and presided over every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and none of the Historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Creation while Dem policies and stewardship have produced and presided over every Great Economic Recovery, Expansion and Historic Jobs Creation and none of the Depressions, Great Recessions and Jobs Destruction.
Trump was given a less than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslim vote spread over three states "mandate". He can honestly take pride in that and tout it at every public appearance. If they had voted for Harris instead he would have lost the election but still could claim a Plurality of the vote "win" by about 1. 6 point or, again, a swap of less than 1 percentage point would have reversed it.
I am not claiming those Netanyahu-hating Muslims who "gave Trump the presidency" cheated or ought to be deported. As far as I know they put Trump in the White House fair and square despite the fact that they are now realizing it was a pretty dumb thing to do.
You and the other MAGAs can relax in the knowledge that Repubs' remarkable run of getting fewer votes than their Dem opponent went from 1992 until today with 2 extremely narrow exceptions and only when the Repub is running for a second term after having "won" the first with fewer votes than their Dem opponent.
Be proud and loud about it![/QUOTE]Urban Suburban and Rural.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/28/us/elections/precinct-city-maps.html[/URL]
Chump hasn't even taken office yet and already there has been scandal! Hang on for an even worse bumpy, hellish, incompetent ride than the first one!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2964355]Urban Suburban and Rural.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/28/us/elections/precinct-city-maps.html[/URL][/QUOTE][B]Trump set to take office with razor-thin House GOP majority.
Republicans could end up having just a one-seat margin.
Nov.27, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-set-office-razor-thin-house-gop-majority/story?id=116274023[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trump is set to take office in January with a razor-thin GOP majority in the House of Representatives that offers Republicans barely any margin of error.
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If these results hold, the House will start with a 220-215 GOP majority, even thinner than the current Congress' margin.
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Republican ranks, however, drop to 219 with former Rep. Matt Gaetz's resignation. It could fall further to 217 depending on the timing of the resignations of Reps. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., and Mike Waltz, R-Fla., who are set to join the Trump administration as U.S. ambassador to United Nations and national security adviser, respectively.
That would send the chamber to a 217-215 margin -- giving Republicans no room for error, since any tied votes at 216-216 would fail.[/QUOTE]Well, at least the Repubs did squeeze out the 3 Senate seat advantage practically everyone predicted was bound to happen anyway in this particularly Repub-advantaged Senate election year.
Oh, and I see Trump has issued his usual lunatic Thanksgiving Day wish, see the screenshot below, further confirming such an America-hating numbskull has never and could never propose, guide, agree with or pass economic legislation that would be anything but a colossal failure.
LOL. I see he is still hanging on to the lie about his razor-thin win being a "landslide" when it was due solely to less than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslims spread across just three states voting for him instead of Harris in order to demonstrate their hatred for Netanyahu. LOL. And he didn't even thank them for being the sole reason he won in that Turkey Day message.
He probably doesn't want to bring them up now that even they have admitted "giving Trump the presidency" was a dumb decision they already deeply regret.
This time around, other world leaders will probably have to drop all the niceities and euphemisms pro Repub Mainstream Media has been using to call Trump's lies something other than the lies they are and that Trump is a liar. You know, that "he says things not necessarily in line with the facts" crap. Trump only lies. Trump is a consumate liar. There is no better or more accurate way to say it and I hope they just start saying it early and often.
Mexico's President comes pretty close to it already. Good for her.
LOL. She publicly refuted his lie and "explained" to Trump that she is ALREADY doing what is necessary to achieve the desired goal UNDER THE BIDEN Administration.
[B]Mexicos president denies Trumps claim that she agreed to shut down the US-Mexico border.
Nov. 29, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mexican-president-had-good-102347079.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum denied proposing to US President-elect Donald Trump that Mexico will close its border with the United States as he claimed in a post on Truth Social.
"Everyone has their own way of communicating, but I can assure you, I give you the certainty that we would never and we would be incapable of it propose that we would close the border, Sheinbaum said during her regular morning news conference Thursday. It has never been our approach and of course we dont agree with that.
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In her own statement about the conversation, Sheinbaum said she shared Mexicos immigration strategy with the president-elect and stressed that her countrys position is not to close borders.
In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico [b]has followed[/b] to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights, Sheinbaum said Wednesday on X. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they arrive at the border. We reiterate that Mexicos position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.[/QUOTE]Trump is already taking thoroughly unearned and undeserved credit for the remarkable and historic positive results Biden-Harris and the Dems accomplished. That observation will be a common, totally justified and provable refrain for any truth-tellers in the media and elsewhere. Until Trump totally fucks up the Envy of the World conditions he was handed again and fucks everything up to historic levels again, that is.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2964360]Chump hasn't even taken office yet and already there has been scandal! Hang on for an even worse bumpy, hellish, incompetent ride than the first one![/QUOTE]Nothing like good objective journalism to put that in place. It is too bad you Democratic douches have nowhere to go not that all the good journalists have cut and run from the Democrats. Here is Lee Fang conversing with Gleen Greenwald on Gaetz:
And you're right, we don't know all the facts here, but the facts that are available in the Matt Gaetz issue do not justify the rhetoric that you see in the political and media sphere. I mean, if you log in to Twitter or X or, you know, Blue Sky or any of these platforms and you see any mention of Matt Gaetz, people claim that he is a rapist, a pedophile, that he paid for child sex, you know, that he's a sex criminal. From the facts we know, none of that is justified whatsoever. There's this kind of trial by media, you're guilty until proven innocent dynamic that I find very unbecoming and kind of disgusting.
It's actually even worse than a lot of the other cases because here the Justice Department aggressively and actively investigated Matt Gaetz to determine whether or not there was any evidence that he committed crimes. It wasn't the Trump DOJ that did, it was the Biden DOJ. Obviously, they were eager to get Matt Gaetz, they leaked constantly to try to destroy his reputation, but at the end of the day, they closed the case on the grounds that there was no evidence available to prove that he was guilty of any crime and yet this doesn't matter at all.
I would say in the case of Matt Gaetz and I've defended Matt Gaetz, I've just done due process, if nothing, you know what happens to you when you stick your head up and defend any of these people, which is you then get kind of smeared by the same tactic, like, he must be defending Matt Gaetz because he's a pedophile and Alex Morris and Julian Assange because he's a sex partner. And it's a huge incentive for people to just kind of run away and not have anybody defending them so that just the accusations themselves are enough to destroy the person without any due process or evidence required.
Lee Fang: Yeah, that's right. You know, I haven't written anything publicly about the Matt Gaetz sexual allegations and yet when I post a tweet or my story narrowly about Matt Gaetz, his policy positions, his political positions, his beliefs around privacy or political power or business, I get swarmed with people claiming that I'm in support of sex crimes or I support pedophilia, you know, it's a chilling dynamic.
End of link. The most vile and hypocritical people of all are mongers like Cane and Spidy who do not believe in the law and innocent until proven guilty. They actually think they are law abiding citizens while paying for sex.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964418][B]Trump set to take office with razor-thin House GOP majority.
Republicans could end up having just a one-seat margin.
Nov.27, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-set-office-razor-thin-house-gop-majority/story?id=116274023[/URL][/QUOTE] Republicans should have a 20+ seat advantage in the House. There are two reasons why they don't:
1. Democratic Party gerrymandering in California, New York, Maryland, New Mexico and other states. Republicans won the House popular vote by 3%. Based on that they should have a 13 seat advantage. That's pretty typical of the the period since after World War II. Democrats have been better a rigging the system than Republicans, and so have had an average of 3. 9% more House seats than justified by the popular vote since 1946.
2. Republican House members looked like a bunch of buffoons in 2023/2024. Led by the Matt Gaetz contingent, they ousted Kevin McCarthy and then couldn't agree on a speaker. Now I happen to agree with Gaetz et al on slowing the rate of growth of government spending and lowering deficits. But McCarthy managed to claw back $1. 5 trillion in unfunded, unneeded spending legislated by Democrats in 2021/2022, even though Democrats controlled the presidency and the Senate. When you try to shut down government and fire your speaker when you don't get everything you want, you look irresponsible.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964418]LOL. I see he is still hanging on to the lie about his razor-thin win being a "landslide" when it was due solely to less than 130,000 Netanyahu-hating Muslims spread across just three states voting for him instead of Harris in order to demonstrate their hatred for Netanyahu. LOL. And he didn't even thank them for being the sole reason he won in that Turkey Day message.
He probably doesn't want to bring them up now that even they have admitted "giving Trump the presidency" was a dumb decision they already deeply regret.[/QUOTE]That sounds a lot like the MAGA argument that Trump would have won with around 50,000 more votes in a few states in 2020. You're stretching even more than people who support that narrative.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2964591]I would say in the case of Matt Gaetz and I've defended Matt Gaetz, I've just done due process, if nothing, you know what happens to you when you stick your head up and defend any of these people, which is you then get kind of smeared by the same tactic, like, he must be defending Matt Gaetz....and Julian Assange because he's a sex partner. And it's a huge incentive for people to just kind of run away and not have anybody defending them so that just the accusations themselves are enough to destroy the person without any due process or evidence required.
Lee Fang: Yeah, that's right. You know, I haven't written anything publicly about the Matt Gaetz sexual allegations and yet when I post a tweet or my story narrowly about Matt Gaetz, his policy positions, his political positions, his beliefs around privacy or political power or business, I get swarmed with people claiming that I'm in support of sex crimes or I support *********, you know, it's a chilling dynamic.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. As you know, I had other reasons for being disappointed with the Gaetz nomination, including what I said in the reply to Tooms just below.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964485]
Trump is already taking thoroughly unearned and undeserved credit for the remarkable and historic positive results Biden-Harris and the Dems accomplished. That observation will be a common, totally justified and provable refrain for any truth-tellers in the media and elsewhere. Until Trump totally fucks up the Envy of the World conditions he was handed again and fucks everything up to historic levels again, that is.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't be the first time for Trump to take credit for the great economy he inherits from his predecessors. There is no reason for him not to appropriate any other Biden's achievements. Just wait a couple of months or less for the first bursts of his self-aggrandizing bullshit.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2964360]Chump hasn't even taken office yet and already there has been scandal! Hang on for an even worse bumpy, hellish, incompetent ride than the first one! [/QUOTE]Watergaetz! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] Yes quite right and very apt!
But what is, oh so very chilling and morally reprehensible, is when you get the gullible MAGA cultists, the likes of Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, who knowingly sympathize and defend, the repugnant behavior of a pedo like Gaetz, as if this is somehow exceptionable behavior for someone vying for the top position of AG, House Rep., Senate or even the plain old position of Dog Catcher by "Joe citizen", for that matter.
However, unlike the position of Dog Catcher, I'm sure the vetting processes is a lot more rigorous and vigorous, than it is to disqualify any old run of the mill position as, Repub representative for office. Just like another pedo, Roy Moore, recent run for the Senate, it will no doubt soon be, a future stake, for pedo Matt Gatez, to run again for Repubs, for office.
As it seems, that "somehow", [b]sexual misconduct[/b] has become Repub qualification for office, rather than something that would be disqualification.
And forget about, the Rule of Law, when caught, 'soup to nuts', embroiled in scandal and criminal behavior, as we know and have witnessed, Repubs and MAGA, have all thrown that rule book out the window, as they feel it doesn't apply to them!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964485]This time around, other world leaders will probably have to drop all the niceities and euphemisms pro Repub Mainstream Media has been using to call Trump's lies something other than the lies they are and that Trump is a liar. You know, that "he says things not necessarily in line with the facts" crap. Trump only lies. Trump is a consumate liar. There is no better or more accurate way to say it and I hope they just start saying it early and often.
Mexico's President comes pretty close to it already. Good for her.
LOL. She publicly refuted his lie and "explained" to Trump that she is ALREADY doing what is necessary to achieve the desired goal UNDER THE BIDEN Administration.
[B]Mexicos president denies Trumps claim that she agreed to shut down the US-Mexico border.
Nov. 29, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mexican-president-had-good-102347079.html[/URL]
Trump is already taking thoroughly unearned and undeserved credit for the remarkable and historic positive results Biden-Harris and the Dems accomplished. That observation will be a common, totally justified and provable refrain for any truth-tellers in the media and elsewhere. Until Trump totally fucks up the Envy of the World conditions he was handed again and fucks everything up to historic levels again, that is.[/QUOTE]Or is the incessant heat of BKK finally turning your melon to goop?
Don't you remember when AMLO was elected he made a similar agreement with Our Lord and Savior, includ "stay in Mexico".
As soon as Trump told the media, AMLO denied it but nevertheless followed thru on it ROTFLMMFAO.
[URL]https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/25/no-agreement-any-kind-incoming-mexican-government-denies-cutting-deal-trump-keep[/URL]
And BTW AMLO is still running the show, she is just his little Jewish marionette.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2964689]Watergaetz! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] Yes quite right and very apt!
But what is, oh so very chilling and morally reprehensible, is when you get the gullible MAGA cultists, the likes of Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, who knowingly sympathize and defend, the repugnant behavior... [/QUOTE]Well, apparently my use of the word "sic" has caused you to up your game. I haven't noticed a single spelling, grammatical or typographical error in your posts since! You're welcome!
Your statement above is completely false. You don't have any idea of the clinical or common definition of the word you're using. The cutoff age for calling Gaetz what you're calling him is off by 4 years, [B]IF[/B] he did what you said he did.
I'm tired of beating around the bush, trying to address a topic I believe should be and is off limits according to forum rules. You should drop this. And that's not a threat, it's just common sense.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2964661]Republicans should have a 20+ seat advantage in the House. There are two reasons why they don't:
1. Democratic Party gerrymandering in California, New York, Maryland, New Mexico and other states. Republicans won the House popular vote by 3%. Based on that they should have a 13 seat advantage. That's pretty typical of the the period since after World War II. Democrats have been better a rigging the system than Republicans, and so have had an average of 3. 9% more House seats than justified by the popular vote since 1946.
2. Republican House members looked like a bunch of buffoons in 2023/2024. Led by the Matt Gaetz contingent, they ousted Kevin McCarthy and then couldn't agree on a speaker. Now I happen to agree with Gaetz et al on slowing the rate of growth of government spending and lowering deficits. But McCarthy managed to claw back $1. 5 trillion in unfunded, unneeded spending legislated by Democrats in 2021/2022, even though Democrats controlled the presidency and the Senate. When you try to shut down government and fire your speaker when you don't get everything you want, you look irresponsible.
[B]That sounds a lot like the MAGA argument that Trump would have won with around 50,000 more votes in a few states in 2020. You're stretching even more than people who support that narrative.[/b][/QUOTE]They were exactly right to argue that because the numbers were correct. It was not a "narrative". It was a mathmatical fact. Same as the truth I have been telling about Trump's rasor-thin win.
I believe it was actually closer to 43,000 that year. And about 79,000 determined the winner in 2016.
A shift of roughly half that amount from the winner to the loser in those particular states would have flipped the outcome.
It is impossible to argue otherwise.
Pro Repub MSM wants it that way; a neck-in-neck race to the finish with virtually a coin-flip determining the winner. Exactly as it was this year too.
Bear in mind, the only reason I or, I'm guessing, anyone ever referred to the Biden 2020 Electoral win as a "landslide" is because that same Electoral win for Trump in 2016 was falsely proclaimed (lied about) by him and his MAGAs as a "landslide". Countless times I referred to it as "a Trump-defined landslide", not as a truthfully-defined landslide, Electorally.
But at least Biden-Harris had the 7,000,000+ vote advantage over Trump-Pence and winning the Majority polular vote on their side.
Neither of which Trump has ever been able to truthfully claim in three tries and 34 Felony Convictions for conspiring to steal one of them along with credible accusations of trying to steal another one.
LOL. It turns out not only did Madam President of Mexico bust Trump for being a Liar about what she told him in their phone call about the border, that she was ALREADY doing what was necessary under Biden and therefore Trump had NOTHING to claim credit for, but she also kicked his BUTT in that little phone call "negotiation", which is probably why he raced to the nearest failed Social Media platform to lie, lie and lie even more and faster about it:
[B]LOL Trump Says Mexico All Fixed Now.
Psst: Trump Caved to Mexico: Trump declared immigration fixed (after a warning from Mexico that you're not hearing about)[/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/11/lol-trump-says-mexico-all-fixed-now[/URL]
Really, you MUST read it to savor the full pleasure of it.
Oh, and it also turns out Newsmax of all things is one of the few media sources mentioning it. Why didn't one of our resident Newsmax fans post this sooner? LOL.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2964707]Or is the incessant heat of BKK finally turning your melon to goop?
Don't you remember when AMLO was elected he made a similar agreement with Our Lord and Savior, includ "stay in Mexico".
As soon as Trump told the media, AMLO denied it but nevertheless followed thru on it ROTFLMMFAO.
[URL]https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/25/no-agreement-any-kind-incoming-mexican-government-denies-cutting-deal-trump-keep[/URL]
And BTW AMLO is still running the show, she is just his little Jewish marionette.[/QUOTE]Above all else!!
[URL]https://sputnikglobe.com/20241201/trump-threatens-brics-countries-with-tariffs-unless-abandon-plans-to-replace-us-dollar-1121054628.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/608466-trump-threatens-brics-tariffs/[/URL]
Fait Accompli to the CCP renminbi!!
Allahu Akbar MOFOS to all you Anti Americans in this thread.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2964767][b]Our Lord and Savior is an Economic Nationalist Numbskull, Bullshitter and Coward[/b]
Above all else!!
[URL]https://sputnikglobe.com/20241201/trump-threatens-brics-countries-with-tariffs-unless-abandon-plans-to-replace-us-dollar-1121054628.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/608466-trump-threatens-brics-tariffs/[/URL]
Fait Accompli to the CCP renminbi!!
Allahu Akbar MOFOS to all you Anti Americans in this thread.[/QUOTE]As soon as he realized he was dealing with a country that knows he's an economic numbskull, bullshitter and Coward and has the facts on their side, Trumpty-Dumplty pulled his usual little "Declare 'victory', turn tail and run" tactic. Lolol.
[B]Mexico Says Trump Tariffs Would Cost 400,000 US Jobs.[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/mexico-tariffs-u-s-jobs/2024/11/27/id/1189604/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Mexico said Wednesday the United States will be shooting itself in the foot if President-elect Donald Trump implements his threats to impose 25-percent tariffs on Mexican imports.
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Mexico's Economy Minister Marcelo Ebrard warned that the cost to US companies of the tariffs on Mexico would be "huge."
"Around 400,000 jobs will be lost" in the United States, he said, citing a study based on figures from US carmakers that manufacture in Mexico.
He added the tariffs would also hit US consumers hard..[/QUOTE]Isn't that one of your favorite media sources?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964739]They were exactly right to argue that because the numbers were correct. It was not a "narrative". It was a mathmatical fact. Same as the truth I have been telling about Trump's rasor-thin win.
I believe it was actually closer to 43,000 that year. And about 79,000 determined the winner in 2016.
A shift of roughly half that amount from the winner to the loser in those particular states would have flipped the outcome.
It is impossible to argue otherwise.
Pro Repub MSM wants it that way; a neck-in-neck race to the finish with virtually a coin-flip determining the winner. Exactly as it was this year too.[/QUOTE]You are missing the point as usual. Would Biden have won in 2020 if the truth about Hunter Biden and his laptop were known? People who were polled said it would have. That means the election was actively rigged by the deep state.
No one questioned that Biden won the popular vote. What was questioned was given that there is no question that election rigging happened with the laptop, what other rigging was going on?
Hell, we saw Democrats try to rig the 2024 election with the criminal and civil cases against Trump and keeping Trump's name off the ballot. And when all that lawfare bullshit did not work, the deep state sent out an assassin. Amazingly, this assassin had his house scrubbed clean and his poor as fuck parents have a $1000 an hour lawyer on retainer. Gee, there is nothing suspicious there.
And after all this bullshit and the fucking coup in the Democratic party, you are cherry picking again and saying Trump "squeaked by".
When you are a convicted felon and win the popular vote by 2.5 million, something no one predicted, that is a mandate. All we Republicans can do is marvel at how much he would have really won by if you douches had not cheated so badly. In a clean and fair election, my bet is Trump tops that 7 million mark easily.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964865]As soon as he realized he was dealing with a country that knows he's an economic numbskull, bullshitter and Coward and has the facts on their side, Trumpty-Dumplty pulled his usual little "Declare 'victory', turn tail and run" tactic. Lolol.
[B]Mexico Says Trump Tariffs Would Cost 400,000 US Jobs.[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/mexico-tariffs-u-s-jobs/2024/11/27/id/1189604/[/URL]
Isn't that one of your favorite media sources?[/QUOTE]OMFG Mexico says LOLOLOL they may have even less credibility than you and Austin Powers / Dr Evil.
Mexico says it will cost the US 20 qatrillion jobs!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2964874]You are missing the point as usual. Would Biden have won in 2020 if the truth about Hunter Biden and his laptop were known? People who were polled said it would have. That means the election was actively rigged by the deep state.
No one questioned that Biden won the popular vote. What was questioned was given that there is no question that election rigging happened with the laptop, what other rigging was going on?
Hell, we saw Democrats try to rig the 2024 election with the criminal and civil cases against Trump and keeping Trump's name off the ballot. And when all that lawfare bullshit did not work, the deep state sent out an assassin. Amazingly, this assassin had his house scrubbed clean and his poor as fuck parents have a $1000 an hour lawyer on retainer. Gee, there is nothing suspicious there.
And after all this bullshit and the fucking coup in the Democratic party, you are cherry picking again and saying Trump "squeaked by".
When you are a convicted felon and win the popular vote by 2.5 million, something no one predicted, that is a mandate. All we Republicans can do is marvel at how much he would have really won by if you douches had not cheated so badly. In a clean and fair election, my bet is Trump tops that 7 million mark easily.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president.html[/URL]
Hes at 77 million.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/11/18/minnesota-election-judge-charged-felonies-letting-unregistered-people-vote-2024-election/[/URL]
[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]
Who gives a shit if Looney Tooms says he doesn't have a mandate, 77 million voters DISAGREE LMAO.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/voter-id-elon-musk/2024/11/10/id/1187471/[/URL]
Hey Everybody-- Hoping your TrumpsGiving was Great.
I hope that the 10-12 people who read the American Politics section have a Merry Trumpmas-.
It's Beginning to Feel a Lot LIke TrumpMas Everywhere You gooooooo.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964865]As soon as he realized he was dealing with a country that knows he's an economic numbskull, bullshitter and Coward and has the facts on their side, Trumpty-Dumplty pulled his usual little "Declare 'victory', turn tail and run" tactic. Lolol.
[B]Mexico Says Trump Tariffs Would Cost 400,000 US Jobs.[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/mexico-tariffs-u-s-jobs/2024/11/27/id/1189604/[/URL]
Isn't that one of your favorite media sources?[/QUOTE]They don't want any of those Mexican slave driven sweatshops / maquiladoras along the US border closing.
Just wait until he seriously threatens the cartels with the US military.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/01/world/americas/mexico-fentanyl-chemistry-students.html[/URL]
And the primer chemicals are provided by Xi himself.
Which I'm sure gives you a boner!!
GOD is Great.
Donald J Trump is going to single-handedly save Western Civilization and the rest of the fucking PLANET, the man is a living GOD.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2964247]What's more misleading Spidy? Me replacing a word I find objectionable with **** and inserting "(sic)" after your odd or erroneous wording? Or you shortening my quote so that someone reading your post won't understand you're upset about nothing?[/QUOTE]
Shortening a post for the sake of brevity...is that the best you got, Tiny 12, for a rebuttal? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
All ISGers/BMs shorten, or take snippets of one another's posts all the time. They don't insert words, irresponsibly and maliciously, into another BM's quote/post to suit their own narratives, like you do!
If you think for a moment, it's a good idea, to have another ISGer/BM change your post/quote, by inserting or adding words to your post, to suit their twisted whims, then obviously, you're a bigger troll and shit-disturber than I would have imagined.
Essentially, I find your behavior in changing another ISGer/BM's post, very fraudulent and very disturbing. It's just a plain violation and [b]an obvious blatant attempt to misrepresent what ISGers post.[/b]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2964874]You are missing the point as usual. Would Biden have won in 2020 if the truth about Hunter Biden and his laptop were known? People who were polled said it would have. That means the election was actively rigged by the deep state.
No one questioned that Biden won the popular vote. What was questioned was given that there is no question that election rigging happened with the laptop, what other rigging was going on?
Hell, we saw Democrats try to rig the 2024 election with the criminal and civil cases against Trump and keeping Trump's name off the ballot. And when all that lawfare bullshit did not work, the deep state sent out an assassin. Amazingly, this assassin had his house scrubbed clean and his poor as fuck parents have a $1000 an hour lawyer on retainer. Gee, there is nothing suspicious there.
And after all this bullshit and the fucking coup in the Democratic party, you are cherry picking again and saying Trump "squeaked by".
When you are a convicted felon and win the popular vote by 2.5 million, something no one predicted, that is a mandate. All we Republicans can do is marvel at how much he would have really won by if you douches had not cheated so badly. In a clean and fair election, my bet is Trump tops that 7 million mark easily.[/QUOTE]There was nothing in Hunter's laptop that connected the Democratic Party candidate to a crime, a wrongdoing or even a clumsy stutter. Nothing.
The reason Trump won had nothing to do with whether or not he was a Felon, a total numbskull or liar about how tariffs work, what caused inflation, where trannies take a piss or immigration.
The sole reason there is a President-elect Trump today instead of a President-elect Harris is because 130,000 voters spread across just three states, most if not all of whom didn't give enough of a shit about any of those things to base their vote on them, voted for Trump instead of Harris.
Remember how your boy Trump claimed if only none of California's votes were counted he would have won the popular vote in 2016? LOL. Mathematically he was right, of course. And if California had been a "competitive" state in 2016 there is no doubt Trump would have campaigned more and spent more ad money in California. And, sure enough, if he had done that it is very likely Clinton would not have won the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes.
Do you have any quibble with the math and premise of that assertion?
The exact same thing applies to the reason Trump won 2,500,000 more votes than Harris, why the narrowest victory for Trump in the battleground states was in the only three states that mattered and why House Repubs got more votes than House Dems;.
It is all about where the candidates choose to campaign and spend ad money or choose not to campaign and spend ad money.
Harris came closest to winning in the three battleground states she campaigned in the most, the only 3 states that ultimately mattered to the outcome of the contest.
If there had been more time and money at her disposal she would have campaigned and spent more in places that might have totally erased Trump's 2,500,000 vote advantage.
Same as Trump might have erased Clinton's 3,000,000 vote advantage in 2016.
Same as the Dem House candidates might have erased the Repub House candidtaes' overall slight vote advantage if they had bothered to campaign in every heavily gerrymandered Red District where the chances of them still losing in them by at least 1 Repub vote is so great it realistically isn't worth their time and money to campaign and spend money in them at all. So they don't.
And they don't, Harris didn't in 2024, Trump didn't in 2016 and Dem House candidates didn't almost any of those times because "winning" the most votes is not the way a President wins the presidency or the way a House or Senate Majority is determined. And as long as every state regardless of population still gets the exact same number of Senate seats as every other state, it doesn't matter how many more overall votes the Dem Senate candidates get than their Repub counterparts either. The Senate Majority is not determined by how many nation-wide votes each Party's candidates got.
If it were the way those contests are determined, well, then campaigning and ad spending would be very different wouldn't it?
And if polling over the decades on the issues that seem to matter most to Americans has any validity at all, there would have rarely if ever been a Repub President, a Repub Majority in the Senate or a Repub Majority in the House for a very long time, decades, possibly since Herbert Hoover and his Party's Senate and House candidates won the 1928 election.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2964918]Shortening a post for the sake of brevity...is that the best you got, Tiny 12, for a rebuttal? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
All ISGers/BMs shorten, or take snippets of one another's posts all the time. They don't insert words, irresponsibly and maliciously, into another BM's quote/post to suit their own narratives, like you do!
If you think for a moment, it's a good idea, to have another ISGer/BM change your post/quote, by inserting or adding words to your post, to suit their twisted whims, then obviously, you're a bigger troll and shit-disturber than I would have imagined.
Essentially, I find your behavior in changing another ISGer/BM's post, very fraudulent and very disturbing. It's just a plain violation and [b]an obvious blatant attempt to misrepresent what ISGers post.[/b][/QUOTE]I have never modified anyone's quote except to (1) shorten it, (2) insert my comment or "sic" in parentheses, and (3) substitute asterisks for words that are vulgar or describe behavior better not discussed on this board. If you can find any other type of modification I've made, please post it.
With regard to "2", I would use brackets instead of parentheses, but the system doesn't allow it.
"Very fraudulent and very disturbing"? You take this way too seriously.
Once Trump made it clear that for the first time in American History a president's DOJ would be all about Political Lawfare on behalf of his Personal Grievances over his thoroughly legal and proper indictments, charges and criminal Convictions with those Gaetz and Bondi nominations to head his lawless DOJ, everything changed.
Joe Biden did the only thing a president promoting fairness under the law would, could and should do:
[B]President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/02/president-biden-pardons-his-son-hunter-biden.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
And considering it is entirely arguable that a president has Constitutional Authority to categorically pardon broad classes of immigrants for civil violations of the immigration laws and to thereby provide durable and permanent protections against deportation, it would also be an excellent time for Joe Biden to once again and for the third time as VP / President to rescue the USA Economy from total destruction by horrific Repub policies and stewardship and do exactly that for each and every immigrant awaiting or in the process of gaining a ruling on their Asylum claim. Full Stop.
I hope Biden decides to do that before January 20,2025 as well. It would go a long way to mitigating the USA economic disaster looming at the hands of Trump and his MAGAs.
Not sure what Biden can do on his way out to mitigate the looming horrors of Trump's Tariff plans. Maybe to issue an Executive Order requiring all retailers to reduce the cost of everything imported by Mexico, Canada and China by 5% - 25% so as to offset the 5% - 25% increases Trump will impose on the American Consumer. Or however such a result can be accomplished. I hope Biden looks into it.
Such an across the board price reduction by Executive Order must be feasible. I mean, most MAGAs voted for Trump based on exactly such a concept.
Go for it, Joe!
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2964710]Well, apparently my use of the word "sic" has caused you to up your game. I haven't noticed a single spelling, grammatical or typographical error in your posts since! You're welcome!
Your statement above is completely false. You don't have any idea of the clinical or common definition of the word you're using. The cutoff age for calling Gaetz what you're calling him is off by 4 years, [B]IF[/B] he did what you said he did.[/QUOTE]
[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Again in case you forgot, Gaetz's cohort, Joel Greenberg, was carted of to prison for 11 years. Greenberg plead guilty to having sex with the same 17-yrs old, who he knew was being paid for to have sex.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2964710]I'm tired of beating around the bush, trying to address a topic I believe should be and is off limits according to forum rules. You should drop this. And that's not a threat, it's just common sense.[/QUOTE]
Good for you, if you've come to your senses...[b]and no longer wish to defend, the indefensible![/b] Now that's just plain common sense, if you have any!
I imagine it must be pretty exhausting trying to defending the indefensible, with the likes of pedos, such as Matt Gaetz and Roy Moore's of the Repub party.
Last I checked, nobody is forcing you to weigh-in on said topic of conversation.
So your sudden concern, over the topic of conversation, is so very touching [i][b](...kkkk!),[/b][/i] considering over the last several weeks, that fact hasn't stopped, you, Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, defending this depraved behavior, from the likes of Matt Gaetz.
When our politicians are embroiled in sexual misconduct, unbecoming for office, it will always be very much a topic of worthy conversation/debate. [b]But, hey Tiny 12,...YOU DON'T have to weigh-in![/b]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2964882]OMFG Mexico says LOLOLOL they may have even less credibility than you and Austin Powers / Dr Evil.
Mexico says it will cost the US 20 qatrillion jobs![/QUOTE]Every World Leader knows Donald J. Trump, that fat poofter with cotton candy pink hair, hasn't got the slightest clue what is or isn't a good result of an international negotiation. They know he doesn't even know what the topics or points of an international economic or national security negotiation would or could ever be. Not the slightest clue.
They knew that about him by the 2nd or 3rd month of his first disastrous so-called presidential term, if not sooner.
And watching what he is doing with these spectacularly idiotic and embarrassing Cabinet nominations confirms everything they knew about him. LOL. And his utter cluelessness about Tariffs or the utter cluelessness about them among his supporters that he is exploiting to make himself and his cronies wealthier at everyone else's expense.
They are champing at the bit to get into a room with him and sit across the table from him in a negotiation. They are not the least bit frightened of him because they know he is a fucking clueless loon pathologically worried about his image. That being the case, they know he will accept ANY negotiation result as long as he can look and sound like a big man who knows what he is doing, when he really doesn't, then will claim "victory", turn tail and run like hell out of that room and back to the comfort of Mar-a-Lardo and a fresh bucket of KFC.
Any result. Even the worst deal for America and the best deal for his negotiation adversary, as in his failed Trade War with China, is fine with Trump as long as it is over so he can escape before somebody presses him on a simple question about the topic at hand.
Every World Leader knows that about Trump. Even the ones from countries you and he would no doubt laugh off as "shithole" countries. Yep. Even they know more about how the world really works and what is a shitty deal this minute vs a great deal 6 months down the road and that Trump will take the shitty and quick deal every time. And then claim he made the "greatest deal" of all time and run home. LOL.
Other World Leaders, real ones, can not believe a handful of Netanyahu-hating voters spread across just three states delivered such a cornucopia of pleasures and delights to them last month.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965034][i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Again in case you forgot, Gaetz's cohort, Joel Greenberg, was carted of to prison for 11 years. Greenberg plead guilty to having sex with the same 17-yrs old, who he knew was being paid for to have sex.[/QUOTE]Greenberg did way more than the sexual charge.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/joel-greenberg-sentencing/index.html[/URL]
As part of his plea, Greenberg admitted sending letters to the teacher's school, falsely accusing them of sexual misconduct with a student. He also tried to make the teacher look racist by making fake social media accounts under their name and posting inflammatory material.
The judge said this was "perhaps the most egregious" of Greenberg's crimes and said it was "downright evil" to frame the teacher of sexual misconduct. Greenberg apologized to the teacher, Brian Beute, at Thursday's hearing, and Beute told reporters later that he accepts the apology.
Greenberg also successfully scammed the Small Business Administration of $430,000 in Covid-19 relief funds by bribing a federal official, according to court filings.
The wire fraud charge stemmed from Greenberg misusing hundreds of thousands of Florida taxpayer dollars to make personal cryptocurrency investments. He used government equipment to make fake ID cards, and abused his access to a DMV database on his first day in office, according to court filings.
"To have a tax collector stealing the money he collects is truly outrageous," Presnell said." All of us are victims of crimes where the public trust is abused."
As for the 17 year old pure as snow girl, there is this, [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14101207/Matt-Gaetz-ex-girlfriend-sex-trafficking-investigation-unmasked-attorney-general.html[/URL].
The glamorous ex-girlfriend who gave grand jury testimony in the Matt Gaetz sex trafficking probe can be revealed today as former Capitol Hill intern Brianna Garcia who now says he'll make a 'great' Attorney General.
Multiple sources confirmed to [URL]DailyMail.com[/URL] that Garcia, 28 a Democrat campaigner and House of Cards aficionado was the previously unidentified former flame who gave secret evidence in the investigation into the Trump loyalist.
His Senate nomination will likely be hotly contested but Garcia has no qualms about her former lover becoming the nation's top law enforcement official.
'he'll be great for the country. Matt's very smart,' she told [URL]DailyMail.com[/URL].
The now-shuttered Federal probe into Gaetz allegedly examined three possible offenses: sex trafficking; violating the Mann Act, which bans taking prostitutes across state lines; and obstructing justice.
He came to the attention of investigators in 2020 when alleged 'wingman' Joel Greenberg, a former Florida tax collector, was indicted on dozens of offenses, including trafficking a 17-year-old girl.
The same girl, who is now 24 and works as a cam porn model on OnlyFans, is said to have told authorities that she also slept with Gaetz while she was underage.
End of link.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965034]Good for you, if you've come to your senses...[b]and no longer wish to defend, the indefensible![/b] Now that's just plain common sense, if you have any!
I imagine it must be pretty exhausting trying to defending the indefensible, with the likes of pedos, such as Matt Gaetz and Roy Moore's of the Repub party.[/QUOTE]Stormy Daniels and now this? A cam porn model? Soy Boy the Swamp Creature, where would any of these hookers be without you defending their honor?
You defend the honor of these women time and again, and they abandoned you in the election. Say it ain't so. But, but, but you said you loved me and said you would vote Democrat, didn't you? Thank God, those SS checks keep coming in. If the government advanced you those SS checks, you would be broke forever spending every last dime on hooker honor.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964951]Once Trump made it clear that for the first time in American History a president's DOJ would be all about Political Lawfare on behalf of his Personal Grievances over his thoroughly legal and proper indictments, charges and criminal Convictions with those Gaetz and Bondi nominations to head his lawless DOJ, everything changed.[/QUOTE]Oh so that is the excuse now for Joe Biden lying? It is Trump's fault. LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964951]Joe Biden did the only thing a president promoting fairness under the law would, could and should do[/QUOTE]Yeah, nothing says you are serious about gun crimes that pardoning someone who broke them and was convicted of breaking them. Hunter was convicted by a jury and Joe's own DOJ. He had the choice of pardoning Hunter of everything but that. That way, Trump's DOJ would have had nothing to do with any part of Hunter's crimes.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964951]And considering it is entirely arguable that a president has Constitutional Authority to categorically pardon broad classes of immigrants for civil violations of the immigration laws and to thereby provide durable and permanent protections against deportation, it would also be an excellent time for Joe Biden to once again and for the third time as VP / President to rescue the USA Economy from total destruction by horrific Repub policies and stewardship and do exactly that for each and every immigrant awaiting or in the process of gaining a ruling on their Asylum claim. Full Stop.[/QUOTE]Loony Tooms, you forgot to write the illegal aliens should be pardoned as long as they continue to vote Democrat. Those Biden t-shirts were hot sellers on the Mexican side of the border.
I am not even opposed to this pardon. Quite frankly, if there were any doubt that Democrats are liars and are completely full of shit hypocrites on "rule of law", this pardon seals it. Hunter was never the end game. He was the target of bribes being sent up to Joe, and everyone fucking knows it. Given Joe has one foot in the grave and the other in a nursing home, prosecuting Joe would have been cruel and unusual punishment.
If anything, what this shows is the power of the deep state. How the fuck was a low life like Hunter not in jail? How did a guy like Joe Biden who got so much money in the form of bribes get into the White House to begin with? How did the worst VP in history, a complete idiot, who literally fucked and sucked her way did the top almost get elected as well?
We the MAGA army need to focus on the king makers and not the pawns.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/01/us/politics/hunter-biden-pardon-recommendation.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/02/opinion/biden-hunter-pardon-trump.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965077]Oh so that is the excuse now for Joe Biden lying? It is Trump's fault. LOL.
Yeah, nothing says you are serious about gun crimes that pardoning someone who broke them and was convicted of breaking them. Hunter was convicted by a jury and Joe's own DOJ. He had the choice of pardoning Hunter of everything but that. That way, Trump's DOJ would have had nothing to do with any part of Hunter's crimes.
Loony Tooms, you forgot to write the illegal aliens should be pardoned as long as they continue to vote Democrat. Those Biden t-shirts were hot sellers on the Mexican side of the border.
I am not even opposed to this pardon. Quite frankly, if there were any doubt that Democrats are liars and are completely full of shit hypocrites on "rule of law", this pardon seals it. Hunter was never the end game. He was the target of bribes being sent up to Joe, and everyone fucking knows it..[/QUOTE]Yes sir.
The "Deep State" and the Anti USA Pro CCP / Globalist Davos crowd are one organism.
Take out the "deep State" and you do thee ole 7-10 split and you take them both out.
Nature abhors a vacuum, so you must first extract the "deep staters" and then install all MAGA true believers!
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2021/03/06/peter-schweizer-elaine-chaos-family-fused-closely-chinese-government/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/us/politics/transportation-secretary-elaine-chao.html[/URL]
They both belong in a cell in a cell block with the Pelosis the Bidens the Clintons the Bush the Obamas.
Try all traitors for Treason.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965068]Every World Leader knows Donald J. Trump, that fat poofter with cotton candy pink hair, hasn't got the slightest clue what is or isn't a good result of an international negotiation. They know he doesn't even know what the topics or points of an international economic or national security negotiation would or could ever be. Not the slightest clue.
They knew that about him by the 2nd or 3rd month of his first disastrous so-called presidential term, if not sooner.
And watching what he is doing with these spectacularly idiotic and embarrassing Cabinet nominations confirms everything they knew about him. LOL. And his utter cluelessness about Tariffs or the utter cluelessness about them among his supporters that he is exploiting to make himself and his cronies wealthier at everyone else's expense..[/QUOTE]Because you hate anything good for the USA and love anything bad for it.
You know he's going to completely destroy the CCP and that makes you very angry.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2024/08/30/china-shutters-more-than-one-million-restaurants-as-economy-withers/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965075]Greenberg did way more than the sexual charge.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/joel-greenberg-sentencing/index.html[/URL]
As part of his plea, Greenberg admitted sending letters to the teacher's school, falsely accusing them of sexual misconduct with a student. He also tried to make the teacher look racist by making fake social media accounts under their name and posting inflammatory material.
The judge said this was "perhaps the most egregious" of Greenberg's crimes and said it was "downright evil" to frame the teacher of sexual misconduct. Greenberg apologized to the teacher, Brian Beute, at Thursday's hearing, and Beute told reporters later that he accepts the apology.
Greenberg also successfully scammed the Small Business Administration of $430,000 in Covid-19 relief funds by bribing a federal official, according to court filings.
The wire fraud charge stemmed from Greenberg misusing hundreds of thousands of Florida taxpayer dollars to make personal cryptocurrency investments. He used government equipment to make fake ID cards, and abused his access to a DMV database on his first day in office, according to court filings.
"To have a tax collector stealing the money he collects is truly outrageous," Presnell said." All of us are victims of crimes where the public trust is abused...
[/QUOTE]Thanks for setting the record straight Elvis.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964951]Once Trump made it clear that for the first time in American History a president's DOJ would be all about Political Lawfare on behalf of his Personal Grievances over his thoroughly legal and proper indictments, charges and criminal Convictions with those Gaetz and Bondi nominations to head his lawless DOJ, everything changed.
Joe Biden did the only thing a president promoting fairness under the law would, could and should do:
[B]President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/02/president-biden-pardons-his-son-hunter-biden.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Normally, a pardon like this would throw me into a long and pointless rant, but after Trump publicly announced his intention to go after his enemies, I don't think Biden had a choice. Anyone would do the same.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965077]Oh so that is the excuse now for Joe Biden lying? It is Trump's fault. LOL.
Yeah, nothing says you are serious about gun crimes that pardoning someone who broke them and was convicted of breaking them. Hunter was convicted by a jury and Joe's own DOJ. He had the choice of pardoning Hunter of everything but that. That way, Trump's DOJ would have had nothing to do with any part of Hunter's crimes.
Loony Tooms, you forgot to write the illegal aliens should be pardoned as long as they continue to vote Democrat. Those Biden t-shirts were hot sellers on the Mexican side of the border..[/QUOTE]What you will not hear in typically pro Repub Mainstream Media is for them to have asked the question of Biden in the first place set up this unavoidable situation.
The question of a president, "Will you pardon so-and-so if he is convicted and / or gets sentenced"? Has only one proper answer from that president; "No".
"Yes" is the worst of all answers. But "I'm not sure", "Maybe", "I'll consider it", "No comment" or just waving off the question with no answer will all be taken by the judge, jury and general public as little different from "Yes. ".
Do I even have to explain why that question should never have been asked of a president regarding his own son?
Ok, I will anyway; when a president suggests he will do anything other than NOT issue a pardon for a crime that has been charged, tried, or remains to be sentenced, he is unavoidably influencing the outcome or verdict in the case and / or the level of sentencing to come. And all of it sets a totally unfair and judiciously unhealthy precedent, either way, for anyone else charged with such a crime down the road. Multiply that by 1000 when the charged in question is the son of that president.
The judge / jury might logically conclude there is no point in convicting the guy who could very well deserve to get convicted ASAP. Or to convict him even though the evidence is scant just to "send a message" to any future potential perpetrators, to err on the side of caution, "for the greater good" and, what the hell, it doesn't matter in this particular case anyway since he's probably going to be pardoned.
The sentence? The judge or jury would then have plenty of reason to shrug it off, doesn't matter anyway. Or, perhaps, throw the book at him, give him the maximum sentences just to show that Dem / Repub what we WANTED him to serve if dad had not been granted the power and right to pardon him.
Hunter and Joe will get over and past it either way.
But what about John Doe who gets charged and convicted of the same crime a year from now? What was given and done for Hunter Biden by that Judge and Jury will forever be factored into precedent for what happens to John Doe. And I assure you a politically ambitious prosecutor will make sure the extenuating circumstances of the previous presidents' power and right of The Pardon will not be heard by that jury.
Biden knew, absent the defense convincing the judge to throw the case out of court right up until 2 days ago, that issue was on the table for all future defendants in all future cases every time MSM asked and pressed him on the question, "Will you pardon him if he gets convicted or severely sentenced".
There was no other fair and proper answer for Joe Biden to have given except "No".
Every time.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2965130][b]If any of this was true you would really love him[/b]
you hate anything good for the USA and love anything bad for it.
You know he's going to completely destroy the CCP and that makes you very angry.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2024/08/30/china-shutters-more-than-one-million-restaurants-as-economy-withers/[/URL][/QUOTE]I have repeatedly expressed my LOVE for every spectacularly idiotic Trump Cabinet nominee and my fervant wish that Trump do everything he promised he would do on Day One!
I have clearly stated I will be darned disappointed if Trump leaves out ANYTHING he said he would do or delays it by so much as a wasted hour of golf.
I am sincerely pissed off that Trump didn't get his way with the Gaetz nomination and absolutely, positively hope and pray every 1st Trump nominee for every Cabinet Secretary or future SCOTUS nominee is approved on the 1st Repub Senate vote.
Remember now?
Elections have consequences.
Thank you for your vote, you handful of angry Netanyahu-hating Muslims spread across the only three states that matter.
I want every vote to be counted and to matter.
To repeat, my only consideration is that Trump and his Repubs not fuck everything up so badly this time around that my rental property income, my company pension and my Social Security checks get irreparably trashed too much. I don't even have a fuck left to give over what happens to my Stock Market holdings since it is not something I rely on to enjoy life quite fine, thank you very much.
I will certainly comment on it. But I am fine to watch that go down the drain and not even blink as long as 49%+ of the American Electorate vs 48%+ of the American Electorate and, critically, less than a 1 percentage point of votes in one state and about half of 1 percentage point shift in 2 other states gave America a 2nd Trump presidency, then I hope with all my heart and soul that America gets what it asked for.
Please send her more CASH, NOW.
She had such a blast burning thru almost 2 bn in 15 weeks.
The Indian whoor can't bare the thought of the party being over.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-fundraising/2024/12/02/id/1190099/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965166]Normally, a pardon like this would throw me into a long and pointless rant, but after Trump publicly announced his intention to go after his enemies, I don't think Biden had a choice. Anyone would do the same.[/QUOTE]Douthat: The other issue is that the scope of the pardon extends well beyond the specific gun and tax charges, immunizing the junior Biden from potential charges dating all the way back to just before he joined the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma. The sympathetic take is that this was necessary to protect Hunter from frivolous prosecutions by the Trump Department of Justice. The more skeptical take is that the president is casting a blanket of protection over potential sordid dealings we may not even know about, in which members of the wider family as well as Hunter might be implicated. At the very least, it creates an appearance of more potential corruption than just helping his son avoid jail time for charges unrelated to his business dealings.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/03/opinion/hunter-biden-pardon.html[/URL]
Columnists on Why Biden's Pardon Reeks of Privilege.
Dec. 3, 2024,1:00 am ET.
A picture of President Joe Biden wearing a suit with his hand across his chest.
Credit. Photo illustration by The New York Times; source photograph by Kevin Lamarque / Reuters.
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Ross DouthatDavid French.
By Ross Douthat and David French.
Mr. Douthat and Mr. French are Opinion columnists. Mr. Douthat is also a host of the podcast "Matter of Opinion.
Patrick Healy, the deputy Opinion editor, hosted an online conversation with the Times Opinion columnists Ross Douthat and David French about President Biden's decision to issue a broad pardon to his son Hunter Biden.
Patrick Healy: Ross and David, you both have written extensively about the rule of law and presidential power. You both have a good sense of what American voters care about. And you both are fathers. So I'm curious what struck you most about President Biden's statement that he was pardoning his son Hunter Biden.
David French: As a father, I think it would be very, very hard to watch your son go to prison especially if you have the power to set him free. I can't imagine the pain of watching Hunter's long battle with substance abuse and then watching his conviction in court. But in his role as president, Biden's primary responsibility is to the country and the Constitution, not his family.
As president, this pardon represents a profound failure. Biden was dishonest he told us that he wouldn't pardon Hunter and this use of the pardon power reeks of the kind of royal privilege that is antithetical to America's republican values.
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Healy: Biden's decision to rule out the pardon while running for re-election was an enormous misjudgment. At the same time, David Hunter Biden didn't harm anyone, and pardons go to people with connections all the time now. I want to understand your umbrage on behalf of "the country and the Constitution" a bit better.
French: When Biden issued the pardon, my first thought was "here we go again. " It's exactly this kind of self-dealing and favoritism that has created such cynicism in this country, and the fact that pardon abuse is almost routine at this point isn't a defense of Biden. It's an indictment of a political class that helped lay the groundwork for Donald Trump a much worse figure, by the way, but one that did not arise in an otherwise-healthy moment in American democracy.
Ross Douthat: I think it's important to stress that Biden always kept Hunter close, within the larger aura of his own power, in ways that likely helped his son trade on his dad's name even as his own life was completely out of control. This pardon is a continuation or completion of that closeness: It's a moral failure, as David says, a dereliction, but one that's of a piece with the president's larger inability to create a sustained separation between his own position and his troubled son's lifestyle and business dealings and place in the family's inner circle. A clearer separation would have been better not just for the president and the country, but also for Hunter himself even if he's benefiting from it now, at the last.
Healy: Ross, Hunter Biden should absolutely be held accountable for his actions that's something that 12-step programs make clear to addicts, in fact: Their addiction is no excuse for breaking the law, for instance. But it seems like you are conflating Biden's legitimate powers as president with how you think he should have regarded his son in office.
Douthat: I'm not saying that Biden's pardon of Hunter is categorically worse than prior presidents' use of the power to help out cronies and donors and the like. But most people regarded, say, Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich as scandalous even though it fell within the ambit of legitimate presidential powers, and this case is scandalous as well. Whether it's more corrupt to help a relative than a party donor or donor's spouse is an interesting subject for debate about the nature of political ethics, but I don't think we need to resolve that question. We can just say that (1) past presidents have used the pardon power in legal but disreputable ways and (2) pardoning your son is also quite disreputable even if it is constitutional as well.
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Healy: Trump has indicated he would pardon Jan. 6 insurrectionists, whose actions I'the argue were more disreputable and dangerous to the Republic than what Hunter Biden did. So I'm curious how you see pardons in light of the rule of law in this country. Does President Biden's pardon conflict with or undermine the rule of law?
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French: While the pardon is legal and a president's pardon power is quite broad, the rule of law isn't maintained by merely keeping to the letter of the law. The founders didn't give presidents the pardon power to be deployed as a favor to friends and family. In fact, during the constitutional ratification debate in Virginia, James Madison said, "If the president be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty. ".
So, yes, abuse of the pardon power is serious. Biden's inability to separate his personal feelings as a father from his moral and constitutional obligations as a president might be understandable on a human basis, but it's indefensible as a moral and political matter. The fact that Trump has pledged to do worse is not a defense of Biden.
Douthat: The other issue is that the scope of the pardon extends well beyond the specific gun and tax charges, immunizing the junior Biden from potential charges dating all the way back to just before he joined the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma. The sympathetic take is that this was necessary to protect Hunter from frivolous prosecutions by the Trump Department of Justice. The more skeptical take is that the president is casting a blanket of protection over potential sordid dealings we may not even know about, in which members of the wider family as well as Hunter might be implicated. At the very least, it creates an appearance of more potential corruption than just helping his son avoid jail time for charges unrelated to his business dealings.
Healy: To your point, Ross, Hunter Biden wanted sweeping immunity from prosecution when he was trying to get a plea deal. He didn't get it from the Justice Department but he just got it from his father. That's pretty ugly politics by the Bidens. Ross, is Biden's pardon more stupid politically than it is wrong?
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Douthat: The pardon power has certainly been used by presidents of both parties for seamy or self-dealing or disreputable-seeming purposes before. So in that sense, you could argue that this case stands out more for the political message it sends undermining the Democratic Party's claims to represent the rule of law as against an incoming president who regards himself as a victim of legal persecution and has promised to persecute his enemies right back. And further undermining, one might add, the reputation of a president whose competence to execute the larger responsibilities of his office has been for many months very much in doubt.
French: The pardon is far more wrong than it is politically stupid. Give Trump five minutes, and he'll say or do something that knocks this pardon off the front page. People will forget the pardon soon enough. But the nation needs integrity, and Biden's dishonesty contributes to the sense that there isn't really that much difference between Trump and his opponents.
When you talk to Trump voters, they'll often share the conviction that Trump isn't really all that different from other politicians. He's just more blunt and direct about his goals and objectives, while his opponents act the same way Trump acts, but they conceal their corruption in high-minded rhetoric. This pardon fits that narrative perfectly.
Douthat: What one might say in Biden's quasi-defense is that while his pardon confirms a general mood of cynicism, that mood is so deeply entrenched that it's not likely to be deepened that much further by one more act of self-dealing by an already-unpopular president.
But maybe the more sophisticated reading is the one offered by the writer Noah Millman, who argues that the pardon reflects Biden's own deep cynicism about the condition of America, and his own participation in the country's larger disillusioned mood. The president has talked a good game about his deep belief in the resilience of American democracy, but maybe he really thinks that a country that would re-elect Donald Trump is actually too far gone to be much helped, and so he might as well choose familism over patriotism and do his best to just look out for his own. He's like Benicio Del Toro's character in the movie "Sicario," telling a more upright and innocent F. Be. I. Agent, "This is the land of wolves now" except his audience is all the voters who were naοve enough to believe him when he promised not to issue this pardon.
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French: As Ross said, there is a long history of pardon abuse in the United States, and very few voters give it a moment's thought. To amplify Ross's point above about cynicism, to the extent that voters pay attention, it merely confirms their priors. They expect politicians to act like this.
But it's the decisions that leaders make when voters aren't focused on the issue that define their integrity. We're learning how much America has run on an honor system that, as John Adams argued, our human vices can "break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. " When presidents choose self-interest over the public interest, the law doesn't always provide an answer.
Perhaps it should, however. We've seen enough pardon abuse that it's past time to revoke this particular presidential privilege. I'the love to see a constitutional amendment that further strips presidents of any vestiges of royal prerogatives. That means limiting the scope of the pardon power, and it means limiting presidential immunity from prosecution.
Healy: Listening to Biden over the years, you get the sense he thinks he knows Trump better than most, that he knows how Trump uses power. So on that level, doesn't the pardon make sense that Biden knows Trump and the Republicans would likely keep targeting the Biden family and in particular Hunter Biden for disparate treatment in the years ahead, and the pardon power was the only available means of justice, as it were, against Trumpist attacks on Hunter Biden?
Douthat: Well, here the president himself can expect a certain degree of protection from the recent Supreme Court's decision on presidential immunity, which I suspect was written as much with an eye to protecting Biden from Trump-directed prosecutions (or protecting the presidency itself from an endless cycle of prosecutions) as with the goal of protecting Trump against the charges he has faced and may face in the future. Obviously that protection doesn't extend to Hunter, and yes, I think the fear of a widened investigation into Hunter's past and the Biden family business dealings was part of the thinking, part of the self-justication involved. Though I have my doubts as to whether Hunter would have actually been a special target for even a revenge-seeking Trump, since the president-elect seems much more focused on his avenging (or at least avoiding a reprise of) his own first-term experience with the Department of Justice and the F. Be. I. Than with going after his vanquished Democratic opponents.
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French: There was a way for Biden to protect Hunter from politically targeted prosecutions. He could have protected Hunter from prosecution for any other crimes, while leaving the gun and tax convictions intact. In both those cases, there is no credible argument that either of those prosecutions was substantively or procedurally flawed.
Even a selective, prospective pardon could be problematic, but it's far more defensible than pardoning him for crimes that he's already been convicted of.
Healy: As we discussed at the start, you are both fathers. To borrow an earlier point of Ross's, I wonder if we are at such a wolves-are-at-the-door moment in politics that Biden's decision, as a father protecting his son, is a logical one, as well as one that a lot of people would understand. Now, that may not make it right. But would you pardon your child if you had that power and he or she was being targeted for partisan political attack that might go beyond the bounds of traditional fair treatment under the law? Was this a father's justifiable recourse?
French: I completely understand the fear of political prosecution in a second Trump term. He's vowed vengeance, after all, and he's long been obsessed with Hunter's business dealings overseas. But I just don't see the evidence that Hunter's prosecutions went beyond the bounds of traditional fair treatment.
It is true that some of these charges are rarely prosecuted, but it's also true that Hunter threw down the gauntlet to law enforcement by essentially confessing to a federal crime in his memoir. He's the one who effectively told the public he committed a crime. In fact, prosecutors played excerpts from his memoir to the jury. He wrote about his life for profit, and he has no cause to complain when it is used against him in court.
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Douthat: I agree with David, you can extend Biden a certain sympathy as a father, of course you tend to give your son the benefit of the doubt while still recognizing that objectively he's pardoning a guilty man, and for all we know enabling further issues or disasters for Hunter down the line.
Though I also suspect that for Biden it's not just the sense of paternal obligation at work here. It's also the sense of betrayal he doubtless still feels at being denied a chance to run for a second term by his own party, and then watching that same party stumble to defeat. In other words, it's not just Trump's Department of Justice that he's thinking about while issuing this pardon; it's also a Democratic Party that in his view knifed him politically, and to no purpose in the end. And when a man feels betrayed by his allies (not just threatened by his rivals), it's especially unsurprising that he would revert to the most basic human code: Look out for your own.
A future without ISG Cucks for Harris.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/02/liberal-women-undergoing-sterilization-blaming-trump-election-tied-hands/[/URL]
Between baby butchering and now this trend the future of the USA is looking up!!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965166]Normally, a pardon like this would throw me into a long and pointless rant, but after Trump publicly announced his intention to go after his enemies, I don't think Biden had a choice. Anyone would do the same.[/QUOTE]Explain to me why Trump would go after a demented Joe Biden.
As for Hunter, only a Democratic douche would believe that he has been rehabbed. You mean you believed that bullshit about the Secret Service not knowing whose cocaine was in the White House? LOL.
Yep, it is all smooth sailing for Hunter now. No way he is going to back to fucking underage women, snorting cocaine, lying his ass off, taking bribes, or fucking around with guns. He has a great job now as a legitimate artist. Man, the stupid shit you dumb Democratic douches believe amazes me.
Seriously, can we even call it as "big" as a Pink Tinkle this time?
[B]Single House race stands between Republicans and 1-seat majority.[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/single-house-race-stands-between-184601872.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]House Republicans could begin the new year grappling with a one-seat majority, a perilously slim margin for the 119th Congress as President-elect Donald Trump guns for an active first 100 days.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile, the lazy AP Vote Tracker apparently just gave up days ago and left it at their misleading and outright inaccurate "rounding up" to 50.0% in the vote count for Trump while the Cook Political Report Vote Tracker has at least bothered to continue counting and now has Trump at even LESS of a Plurality today than he had 2-3 days ago, at 49.82% (See screenshot below).
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college[/URL]
Which, when the final count in the only three states that mattered and decided the winner is in, will likely show a shift of LESS than 0. 09 point of the total vote, that relative handful of angry, Netanyahu-hating Muslims who "gave Trump the presidency" but who now realize that was a really dumb thing to do, are the sole force behind and reason for Trump and his Repubs' self-proclaimed "landslide" and "mandate."
So, to recap: At this point the Repubs did indeed get the 3 Senate seat advantage that just about everyone predicted would happen in this particularly Repub-advantaged Senate race year, while the Trump vs Harris and Repub vs Dem House Majority races came down to a coin-flip that looks closer to a coin landing on its edge than any time in many decades.
And it is definitely the tightest squeaker for a 2nd term presidential election run as far back as accurate records are kept for such things.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965295]He has a great job now as a legitimate artist. [/QUOTE]Don't be so naive Elvis. Do you really think people are going to pay six figures for a Hunter original when his father's not President of the United States?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965295]Explain to me why Trump would go after a demented Joe Biden.
[/QUOTE]Oh Elvis, where do I even begin! Maybe Trump lovers shouldn't call other people "demented". That's laughable.
OK, OK, I already digress, my apologies.
Here's the explanation you requested.
1. Because Trump HIMSELF SAYS that he intends to put his enemies to prison. Or do you mean that because TRUMP hasn't mentioned Hunter by name, he must be safe?
2. Because Trump is the most thin-skinned elderly man-child in the Universe.
3. Because his attempts to dig dirt on Hunter date to his first WH occupancy. That's not just politicking--it's obsession.
4. Because he's picked a devout loyalist to head his DOJ. He wouldn't even have to bark jump, she knows what the master wants.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965295]As for Hunter, only a Democratic douche would believe that he has been rehabbed. You mean you believed that bullshit about the Secret Service not knowing whose cocaine was in the White House? LOL.
Yep, it is all smooth sailing for Hunter now. No way he is going to back to fucking underage women, snorting cocaine, lying his ass off, taking bribes, or fucking around with guns. He has a great job now as a legitimate artist. Man, the stupid shit you dumb Democratic douches believe amazes me.[/QUOTE]I have no idea if Hunter can kick his habit or not. I further have no idea what Secret Service knew or didn't know about cocaine at the WH.
Furthermore, your "underage girls fucking" claim is libelous. There is no proof or evidence that ever happened, and the origins of this libel lead to QAnon and now defunct Infowars.
[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/20/facebook-posts/fact-checking-unproven-claims-about-hunter-biden-a[/URL]
What I do know is that Trump attempted to make an alleged human trafficker and statutory rapist the United States Attorney General. So where is your indignation at Matt Gaetz and your LAS? And doesn't your lack of said indignation--especially combined with your vitriol toward Hunter Biden--make you a clear-cut hypocrite?
Biden was completely within his right to protect his son from vicious and personally motivated prosecution. Like I said, Trump changes everything. Although I blame his brainless followers more.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2964948]I have never modified anyone's quote except to (1) shorten it, (2) insert my comment or "sic" in parentheses, and (3) substitute asterisks for words that are vulgar or describe behavior better not discussed on this board. If you can find any other type of modification I've made, please post it.
With regard to "2", I would use brackets instead of parentheses, but the system doesn't allow it.
"Very fraudulent and very disturbing"? You take this way too seriously.[/QUOTE][I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] For all your fake bluster, we all know, this is not the first, second or third time you've committed this infraction, and no doubt probably, won't be the last time you'll commit such acts.
Fortunately (or unfortunately), admin stepped in and removed those infractions.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2965075]Greenberg did way more than the sexual charge.[/QUOTE]
[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Yes, Greenberg did way more shit and I'm surprise he didn't get more years in jail, but hey, what the hell do you expect, from a corrupt, soft on sexual misconduct crimes, from a partisan Repub Florida AG and DA office, that hands out pitiful plea deals and a "slap on the wrist", to pedos and sex traffickers like Matt Gaetz and Jeffery Epstein.
[b]Woman testified that she saw Matt Gaetz having sex with 17-year-old, attorney says [/b]
[url]https://whyy.org/articles/matt-gaetz-sex-17-year-old-allegations/[/url]
Let's face it, Greenburg fell on the grenade and turned out to be a great fall guy, and it was most lucky for Gaetz. Having committed the same sexual misconduct crime as Greenburg, with the same 17 yr old girl, still has the potential to see justice, if an uncorrupted Florida AG or DA, decides to lay charges, this time, and go after Gaetz. And I look forward to seeing Gaetz defend himself the same way Greenburg did, with similar incarceration results, no doubt.
[b]Matt Gaetz controversy: What to know about sexual misconduct allegations as he withdraws...[/b]
[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/matt-gaetz-investigation-trump-report-b2650653.html[/url]
History will forever show, disgraced Matt Gaetz's exit as a pedo, right up there, with the shame, the likes of Roy Moore. But like I said, give it time, I'm sure he'll be back running for Repubs for office. As it seems, Repubs committing sexual misconduct, no matter how egregious, is now apparently more of a qualification than a disqualification. [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
But sure enough, the infamy of Gaetz, will live on with his morally challenged, MAGA Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008, defenders and sympathizers.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965374]Don't be so naive Elvis. Do you really think people are going to pay six figures for a Hunter original when his father's not President of the United States?[/QUOTE]Tiny, I was being sarcastic. Hunter has one buyer for most of his art work. During the trial, the prosecution tried to call as a witness the buyer. Are you ready for the funny part? The CIA would not let the prosecution do that. So in essence, the CIA was buying Hunter's art work. That is how bad the swamp is. Hunter no longer had to take bribes from Ukraine and China. He could take them from the CIA.
Of course, that is now gone.
Joe Biden probably carved himself out a $100 or 200 million dollar golden parachute for stepping down, so he no longer needs Hunter or rather Jill no longer needs Hunter to take bribes for Joe.
The funny part about Xpartan's post is that he thinks Trump is going to go after Hunter like Hunter is clean now. If that mother fucker Hunter is not in jail in five years, I would be shocked, Trump or no Trump. He is a psychopath, a deviant, and an addict who was used and abused by his father. It is actually kind of sad. I probably would have ended up just like Hunter if Joe Biden were my father.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965393][i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Yes, Greenberg did way more shit and I'm surprise he didn't get more years in jail, but hey, what the hell, do you expect from a corrupt, soft on sexual misconduct crimes, from a partisan Repub Florida AG and DA office.
Let's face it, Greenburg fell on the grenade and turned out to be a great fall guy, and it was most lucky for Gaetz. Having committed the same sexual misconduct crime as Greenburg, with the same 17 yr old girl, still has the potential to see justice, if an uncorrupted Florida AG or DA, decides to lay charges, this time, and go after Gaetz.[/QUOTE]And the lies continue. [URL]https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/11/getting_to_the_bottom_of_matt_gaetz_s_nomination_and_withdrawal.html[/URL].
Greenberg told Barr's DOJ he could implicate Gaetz in exchange for leniency, and the present investigation into Gaetz was opened.
Gaetz's father Don was then approached by "former" DOJ attorneys and told they could make his problems go away if he gave $25 million to fund the rescue of American hostage Bob Levinson from Iran. Bob Kent would lead the rescue mission, and the payment would appear to be for a service, rather than a bribe to prosecutors.
Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska was targeted with the same scheme, down to the dollar, according to Gaetz, and he wasn't the first. Newsweek suggests that the Levinson ransoms had become a running joke at the FBI.
The drift of it is that there's a history of Gaetz sending money to women he had relationships with, some or all of the time through Greenberg, some or all of whom were introduced to him by Greenberg. Gaetz transferred funds to two of them using Venmo when he was single, and one said she saw him with a minor.
Venmo transaction records with the two adult women are shown, and the low-attention-span reader is led to believe that this shows Gaetz paying (and sleeping with) the minor, since one of them talked about a minor.
They say they were hooking, Gaetz says they were his girlfriends, and there's nothing in the memos to indicate who's telling the truth (nor would Greenberg's pictures and videos). Gaetz's money being sent to the same women repeatedly over time suggests a long-term relationship, but the women say they were prostitutes.
Apparently there were four more women interviewed, and one of them claims she and Gaetz had relations when she was a minor. But she "reportedly" represented herself as an adult to Greenberg (on a website), who then introduced her to Gaetz.
The woman on the Venmo records who claimed she saw Gaetz with a minor also said he didn't know it and that when he found out, he stopped until she turned 18. What I'the like to know, if it isn't all completely made up, is whether she's the same girl Greenberg made a government-quality fake ID for. He told the court he made one for a 17-year-old Gaetz slept with. Did they use it to fool Gaetz into sleeping with a minor? Because that's how it sounds.
Greenberg fabricated state IDs for numerous "young women," but we're not told how young or for what purpose. Why did he hold thousands of self-incriminating records for years after? Was he running an entrapment operation?
Brownstoning is where you have the traditional honeypot, you may have a Congressman enticed to sleep with a female. What they do then is to try and get you in bed with an underage girl, telling you she's only 20. And then they videotape that, then you are theirs.
End of link. And now you have a pretty good reason why Trump won. The deep state owns the Bidens and with their honey pot scams and working deals with scum bags like Greenberg who try to entrap members of Congress, the deep state owns Congress as well. The American people now have no one who represents their interests, and the only person with the balls to take on the deep state has been Donald Trump.
Only a Democratic douche like yourself could equate Gaetz with Greenberg and think the DOJ was pure as the driven snow. If you are in this hobby and do not have sympathy for Gaetz, you are a fucking hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965386][I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] For all your fake bluster, we all know, this is not the first, second or third time you've committed this infraction, and no doubt probably, won't be the last time you'll commit such acts.
Fortunately (or unfortunately), admin stepped in and removed those infractions.[/QUOTE]LOL. The Administrator removed them so you can't find them.
I suggested to the Administrator that he or she delete the post where I inserted my comment in parentheses into your quote, as you requested. But not for the reason you cited. Rather the topic of conversation violated or was on the edge of violating the forum rule prohibiting discussion of sex with m*****. You may wish to familiarize yourself with that, as you seem intent on returning to the topic.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL]
Both of our posts were deleted, not just mine.
PVMonger and I also had a couple of posts deleted, for reasons I don't remember. Also a comment I made in a Bangkok report years ago about the size of my penis was deleted because I made a reference which I thought was very complementary to a certain group of people. The administrator however apparently didn't agree.
Those are the only instances I remember of my posts being deleted or modified.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965166]Normally, a pardon like this would throw me into a long and pointless rant, but after Trump publicly announced his intention to go after his enemies, I don't think Biden had a choice. Anyone would do the same.[/QUOTE]He literally said he would consider pardoning biden. He didn't threaten biden other than call for an investigation on him. Which of you're innocent, that's not a serious threat. I bet your tone would be totally different if trump gave donald Jr immunity for anything that went on with the trump organization. But rant on.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965351]And it is definitely the tightest squeaker for a 2nd term presidential election run as far back as accurate records are kept for such things.[/QUOTE]George W. Bush (1st term), Bill Clinton (1st and 2nd terms), Richard Nixon (1st term) and JFK got a smaller % of the popular vote than Trump in 2024. And Biden, George W. Bush (1st and 2nd terms), Jimmy Carter, Nixon (1st term) and Kennedy got fewer electoral votes. Trump of course got both a smaller % of the popular vote and fewer electoral votes in 2024 than 2016.
Kennedy / Nixon and Bush / Gore were tight squeakers, although admittedly neither was a 2nd term election. Trump / Harris was not. Trump won by 86 electoral votes and 2. 3 million popular votes.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965412]George W. Bush (1st term), Bill Clinton (1st and 2nd terms), Richard Nixon (1st term) and JFK got a smaller % of the popular vote than Trump in 2024. And Biden, George W. Bush (1st and 2nd terms), Jimmy Carter, Nixon (1st term) and Kennedy got fewer electoral votes. Trump of course got both a smaller % of the popular vote and fewer electoral votes in 2024 than 2016.
Kennedy / Nixon and Bush / Gore were tight squeakers, although admittedly neither was a 2nd term election. Trump / Harris was not. Trump won by 86 electoral votes and 2. 3 million popular votes.[/QUOTE]What was the percentage point gap in the states that put those 2nd term presidential runs at or over 270? If a shift of significantly LESS than 0. 09 point of the total votes, factoring in the shift in those states, where we are with Trump now, would have flipped the outcome, then, yeah they were more of a 2nd term squeaker win than Trump's 2nd term contest won in 2024.
I'll let you do the research and math on that. But this time it would be helpful if you at least included a link, a screenshot, showing your math, something, anything rather than just, you know, saying it.
Either way, I am impressed that Trump is at least enough of an effective con man that he has convinced anyone that both of his contests combined that netted hundreds of thousands fewer votes than his opposition were "landslides" and "mandates. ".
This one behavior alone should be enough to eliminate drug addict Hegseth as a nominee for any responsible position in any line of work:
[B]Drunken Trump nominee caught on stage with strippers.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/12/drunken-trump-nominee-caught-on-stage-with-strippers.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trumps pick to lead the Department of Defense reportedly had to step down from a pair of nonprofit veterans groups he headed after workers filed allegations of mismanagement and sexual misconduct.
The New Yorker reports Pete Hegseth was forced out of Concerned Veterans for America, which he worked as president of from 2013 until 2016, after a whistle-blower report that includes an anecdote of him being held back from trying to dance on a stage with strippers.[/QUOTE]Most men, heterosexual men that is, on sites like this hate these assholes who get up on stage and wiggle around like the strippers and gogo girls, thinking it is so funny.
Fewer things are more erection-deflating to witness in a strip club or gogo bar. For heterosexual men, that is.
Trump apparently likes it enough to put him in charge of handling and fondling all the big guns bought with American tax dollars.
First of all, kudos to AP for finally being roused out its coma to update their vote count and coming off of that "rounding up" to 50.0% for Trump nonsense. Now they are "rounding up" to 49.9% for him.
[URL]https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P[/URL]
However, it still appears the Cook Political Report Vote Tracker is on it with an even more recent count, putting it at 49.79% for Trump vs 48.31% for Harris or a difference of 1. 48 point between them. (See screenshot below).
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college[/URL]
Scroll down on this site to Results for the latest / easiest source for the vote count in the only three states that separated a Trump win from a Harris win, PA, MI and WI:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
Doing the math and showing my work (I have typed a lot of numbers with my thumb so forgive me if I mistyped a digit or 2 here. But I don't think that or an update on the overall and state counts would change much), I see that, as of this writing, the number of votes for either Trump or Harris is:
Trump = 77,256,496.
Harris = 74,969,287.
Total for both = 152,225,783.
The vote advantage for Trump in those three states that mattered is:
PA = +120,299.
MI = +80,103.
WI = +29,397.
Total = +229,729.
Of course, all of the 229,729 votes spread across those three states would not have needed to shift from Trump to Harris in order for her to win and Trump to lose. Only half plus 1 in each of those states would have done it:
229,729 divided by 2 = 114,844. 5 angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims.
"Round up" to 114,845 angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims, add 1 more to each of those three states just to make sure and at 114,848, that would mean a shift of a mere 0. 076% of the total popular vote from Trump to Harris in his 2nd term run vs Harris for her 1st term run would have flipped the outcome.
Yes, I would consider that a historic squeaker win for a 2nd term presidential candidate. Easily among the squeakiest if not the squeakiest of all time.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965430]What was the percentage point gap in the states that put those 2nd term presidential runs at or over 270? If a shift of significantly LESS than 0. 09 point of the total votes, factoring in the shift in those states, where we are with Trump now, would have flipped the outcome, then, yeah they were more of a 2nd term squeaker win than Trump's 2nd term contest won in 2024.
I'll let you do the research and math on that...
Either way, I am impressed that Trump is at least enough of an effective con man that he has convinced anyone that both of his contests combined that netted hundreds of thousands fewer votes than his opposition were "landslides" and "mandates. "..[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why we're arguing. I don't think there's been anything close to a "mandate" in favor of a president since Reagan in 1984. Do you agree?
And I don't buy your reasoning. If in 2020 Trump had gotten 11,000 more votes in Georgia, 20,000 more votes in Wisconsin, etc. , to add up to your 43,000 votes, then he probably would have gotten more votes in California, Texas and other states and won by a lot more than 43,000 votes. But why would you segment votes by state anyway, in trying to determine if someone has a so called "mandate"? Wouldn't it be better to look at the total, national popular vote?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965430]But this time it would be helpful if you at least included a link, a screenshot, showing your math, something, anything rather than just, you know, saying it.[/QUOTE]Read it and weep:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin[/URL]
You're perfectly capable of finding a list of results of presidential elections to check me all by yourself. Don't expect help next time. You won't learn if you don't struggle.
I did however make a mistake. I should have written, "Trump of course got both a larger % of the popular vote and more electoral votes in 2024 than 2016."
Whenever they want.
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gaetz-witnesses-sex-allegations-venmo/[/URL]
Two women interviewed by the House Ethics Committee about former GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, President-elect Donald Trump's pick to be attorney general, testified that Gaetz paid them directly and repeatedly in Venmo transactions "for sex," and that those transactions were obtained by the committee, an attorney for the women told CBS News.
The attorney, Joel Leppard, also said the women testified that Gaetz inquired in text messages about "party favors" and "vitamins" at upcoming parties, which was understood to be code for drugs.
Leppard said the House panel asked the women about Gaetz's PayPal and Venmo transactions.
"'What was this for? What was this for, Leppard said his clients were asked.
"'This was for sex, he said they responded. "'This was for sex. This was for sex. '.
End of link. So this is where Democratic douches are so naive. Why the fuck would these women hire a fucking attorney to admit that they committed the crime of prostitution? That this asshole Leppard comes out and admits these women committed the crime of prostitution means they have had a deal cut with LE.
And there is more.
"My clients are not political; they didn't vote in the last two elections they don't care one way or another," Leppard told Garrett. "But they do want the public to know that they are not lying. They did not come forward willingly they have never spoken to anyone without a force of a legal subpoena. ".
End of link. A lawyer cannot say something like this unless he has cut a deal with LE, and he is saying what LE wants him to say. Oh yeah, my clients sure are telling the truth about prostitution. Yes, Gaetz paid for sex, and these women took money for sex, but Gaetz is way, way, way worse. Uh, why is that?
What makes matters worse is you have some former DOJ official try to shake down the father of Gaetz for $25 million. If Gaetz father pays him $25 million, he is told the whole thing goes away.
Can you imagine what would happen if some pimp used the testimony of his prostitutes to shake down clients? But the DOJ does it, and Democratic douches are okay with it because they think the DOJ would never be used against them.
The temptation is to use this technique to go after the Democratic douches when the DOJ is under MAGA control. We might have to do this because these male Democratic Soy Boy douches like Spidy are convinced that these hookers and porn stars really like them versus wanting to stay out of jail. First it was lying Stormy Daniels and the felon Micheal Cohen with Trump criminally and after that it was use uber scumbag Joel Greenberg who produced a fake ID for some 17 year old hooker to snare Gaetz in a honeypot scheme.
How is Gaetz the bad guy when you have Willie Brown and Fani Willis using public funds to get their rocks off? And the DOJ owns these women who admitted to taking money for sex more than any pimp ever could. That creates a climate rife for sexual abuse. The DOJ's $25 million shakedown was likely the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the DOJ and its self serving ways.
It was this kind of shit that made me leave the hobby in the USA. It used to be there was a mutually assured destruction with hookers. Now the DOJ is so sexist all the hookers are victims not criminals and the men alone are criminals / traffickers, and you have fools like Spidy the Soy Boy who are fine with that sexist approach to justice. The only way any man could be for this is if he lives abroad.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965408]He literally said he would consider pardoning biden. [b]He didn't threaten biden other than call for an investigation on him.[/b] Which of you're innocent, that's not a serious threat.[/QUOTE][B]Trump Vowed To Go After Political Rivals If Re ElectedHeres Who Could Be Targeted[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/11/06/trump-vowed-to-go-after-political-rivals-if-re-elected-heres-who-could-be-targeted[/URL]
[B]Trump makes more than 100 threats to prosecute or punish perceived enemies[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155032/trump-makes-more-than-100-threats-to-prosecute-or-punish-perceived-enemies[/URL]
[B]Donald Trump threatens to imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and others. Experts are worried[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/12/trump-prosecution-threats-political-rivals/75060866007[/URL]
[QUOTE]The threat comes just a couple weeks after Trump circulated Truth Social posts calling for military tribunals against former President Barack Obama and for indicting the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. He shared with his followers another user's post depicting rivals in jumpsuits, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.[/QUOTE]What exactly constitutes a threat in your opinion? Literally.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965408]I bet your tone would be totally different if trump gave donald Jr immunity for anything that went on with the trump organization. But rant on[/QUOTE]He still might. The night is young.
Read the articles. Take out everything the writer says (that's not Trump talking, that's literally the writer's words, not his) now point out the part where trump himself actually says he will threaten to lock up Hunter Biden without an investigation, or anybody else.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965520][B]Trump Vowed To Go After Political Rivals If Re ElectedHeres Who Could Be Targeted[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/11/06/trump-vowed-to-go-after-political-rivals-if-re-elected-heres-who-could-be-targeted[/URL]
[B]Trump makes more than 100 threats to prosecute or punish perceived enemies[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155032/trump-makes-more-than-100-threats-to-prosecute-or-punish-perceived-enemies[/URL]
[B]Donald Trump threatens to imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and others. Experts are worried[/B].[/QUOTE]
It's hilarious that after 6 years and millions of dollars spent by democrats investigating Trump for such heinous acts like inflating the value of his real estate, which 100% of real estate investors do, seeing whether Trump really had golden shower parties with prostitutes, and Trump stealing the 2016 election, now you're going to be pearl clutching about Trump hinting he might investigate others lives equally. That's quite hypocritical. For all the millions they spent on Trump, they never spent 1 dime investigating who "the big guy" was that hunter Biden kept referring to in his now verified laptop (another thing they refused to investigate, a 3rd party had to do the legwork to verify it was really his because democrats refused to spend 1 dime investigating that) . They should refuse to honor the pardon until hunter provides that information. Who the hell is "the big guy" that's got a sizable cut off the money hunter negotiated from Burisma.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965520][B]Trump Vowed To Go After Political Rivals If Re ElectedHeres Who Could Be Targeted[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/11/06/trump-vowed-to-go-after-political-rivals-if-re-elected-heres-who-could-be-targeted[/URL]
[B]Trump makes more than 100 threats to prosecute or punish perceived enemies[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155032/trump-makes-more-than-100-threats-to-prosecute-or-punish-perceived-enemies[/URL]
[B]Donald Trump threatens to imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and others. Experts are worried[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/12/trump-prosecution-threats-political-rivals/75060866007[/URL]
What exactly constitutes a threat in your opinion? Literally..[/QUOTE]
What exactly constitutes a threat in your opinion? Literally.
Literally means literally, LOL. Real talk, not a writer saying that's what he's insinuating. Did he ever say he's threatening to just put people in jail for no reason? No he literally didn't. After all the millions they spent for 7 years trying to investigate trump and lock him up, if you're going to be clutching your pearls now that he's "threatening" to investigate others for wrong doing, then you literally have a hypocrisy issue. No he never threatened to just round people up he doesn't like for no reason. There's nothing wrong with investigating people. Were you this outraged about State DAs running for office saying they'll nail trump to attract voters? Not investigate, they promised convictions without even seeing evidence first hand. I'm sure you weren't. But yeah, fear the orange man, and not the people that did the same things to him that now they are afraid he'll reciprocate that exact treatment.
Not even president yet, but orange crazy dangerous shameful Trump already wants to show to the world, choosing number 1 in the world for tourism, my little so beautiful France. But I don't welcome his lack of respect. He should better stay in Florida. Under Biden, he had contacts with crazy dangerous shameful Putin, kind of twins, when he doesn't even respect US constitution. Both dangerous for our world.
The Kremlin could not be more delighted by their Puppet Trump's Cabinet nominees and Administration staff appointments. All that messaging and "news" copy passed to and through Fux News, Sinclair News, Congressional Repubs, etc and into the enthusiasticslly receptive skulls of MAGAs, Direct Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders really paid off.
However, as everyone here knows by now, they also need to give a special nod of thanks to that relative handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread across the only three battleground / swing states that mattered in determining the winner and came through beautifully for the Kremlin's purposes.
Well, I suppose that really means they owe a great debt to Netanyahu himself, really.
[B]KremlinTV Gushes About Trump's Cabinet Picks.
"If they are allowed to get in, they will quickly dismantle America, brick by brick. They are so great![/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/12/kremlintv-gushes-about-trumps-cabinet[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Russians can't believe their unbelievable luck, bragging that "if they are allowed to get in, they will quickly dismantle America, brick by brick. They are so great! he said.
Source: Daily Beast
The incoming Trump administration fills Russian state TV propagandists with glee. In mid-November, when president-elect Donald Trump started to announce his future appointees, state TV host Olga Skabeeva gushed, All of them are totally wonderful!
Evgeny Popov, Skabeevas husband and the co-host of Russias 60 Minutes, concurred, describing Trumps picks as his radical dream team and gleefully noting, All of them personally despise Zelensky. He cautiously added, They arent friends of Russia, except for Tulsi Gabbard.
For years, Gabbards propensity for spouting talking points that neatly aligned with the Kremlins agenda was seen as a boon for Moscow, with state TV host Vladimir Solovyov referring to the former congresswoman as our girlfriend and agreeing with pundits who described her as Putins agent.
..........
During Sundays broadcast of a state TV show The Evening With Vladimir Solovyova program that Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly watches on a regular basishost Vladimir Solovyov rejoiced about Trumps picks.
"What an excellent team is coming along with Trump! Not with respect to Ukraine, but as far as everything else goes. If they are allowed to get in, they will quickly dismantle America, brick by brick. They are so great! he said.
After airing a clip of Patel threatening to upend the FBIs operations, Solovyov continued, Trumps nominee to head the FBI, Kash Patel, is simply on fire... Hes tremendous! Really, really good.[/QUOTE]Of course, even if Senate Repubs grow a temporary pair and reject this first round of Kremlin-pleasing candidates Trump will simply nominate a second round of Kremlin-pleasing candidates. And the bulk of the damage has already been done; every World Leader, ally and foe alike, now knows beyond all doubt that Trump is a weak, silly, clownish Puppet of whatever America-hating enemy of freedom and democracy chooses to buy him off and pull his strings.
And, no, none of them has any reason whatsoever to suspect he is only pretending to be a know nothing clown in order to swoop in at some point in the future and out maneuver America's adversaries. LOL. No chance of that after witnessing his disastrous failed Trade Negotiations with Xi and his horrific blunder in ushering in, mishandling and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic last time around. And that was with at least 2-3 adult guard rails in his midst to keep him from REALLY screwing up top much. LOL. Nothing like that on hand this time around.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965394]Tiny, I was being sarcastic. Hunter has one buyer for most of his art work. During the trial, the prosecution tried to call as a witness the buyer. Are you ready for the funny part? The CIA would not let the prosecution do that. So in essence, the CIA was buying Hunter's art work. That is how bad the swamp is. Hunter no longer had to take bribes from Ukraine and China. He could take them from the CIA.
Of course, that is now gone.
Joe Biden probably carved himself out a $100 or 200 million dollar golden parachute for stepping down, so he no longer needs Hunter or rather Jill no longer needs Hunter to take bribes for Joe.
The funny part about Xpartan's post is that he thinks Trump is going to go after Hunter like Hunter is clean now. If that mother fucker Hunter is not in jail in five years, I would be shocked, Trump or no Trump. He is a psychopath, a deviant, and an addict who was used and abused by his father. It is actually kind of sad. I probably would have ended up just like Hunter if Joe Biden were my father.[/QUOTE]But probably spot on also.
Imagine if you will Hunter sitting in a cell for trafficking heroin and / or fentanyl for CCPland, all strung out on dope, willing to spill the beans on the whole Scumbag Biden crew.
"just let me out of here, I really need a fix" ROTFLMMFAO!!
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-scandalous-hunter-biden-pardon/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/joes-hunter-pardon-ends-a-five-decade-long-cover-up/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/brace-yourself-for-more-biden-pardons/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-end-of-a-scam/[/URL]
I'd scumbag Joe thinking of this also, and pardons the whole lot of them to preemptively protect them all from the Junkie?
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965557]Read the articles. Take out everything the writer says (that's not Trump talking, that's literally the writer's words, not his) [/QUOTE]"Reading the articles by taking out everything the writer says" is a very novel approach. Did you train long?
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965557]now point out the part where trump himself actually says he will threaten to lock up Hunter Biden without an investigation, or anybody else.[/QUOTE]So it wasn't a threat because Trump didn't SPECIFICALLY threaten to lock him up by forgoing the due process? Is that the gist of your statement?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965455]First of all, kudos to AP for finally being roused out its coma to update their vote count and coming off of that "rounding up" to 50.0% for Trump nonsense. Now they are "rounding up" to 49.9% for him.
[URL]https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P[/URL]
However, it still appears the Cook Political Report Vote Tracker is on it with an even more recent count, putting it at 49.79% for Trump vs 48.31% for Harris or a difference of 1. 48 point between them. (See screenshot below).
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college[/URL]
Scroll down on this site to Results for the latest / easiest source for the vote count in the only three states that separated a Trump win from a Harris win, PA, MI and WI:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
Doing the math and showing my work (I have typed a lot of numbers with my thumb so forgive me if I mistyped a digit or 2 here. But I don't think that or an update on the overall and state counts would change much), I see that, as of this writing, the number of votes for either Trump or Harris is:
Trump = 77,256,496.
Harris = 74,969,287.
Total for both = 152,225,783.
The vote advantage for Trump in those three states that mattered is:
PA = +120,299.
MI = +80,103.
WI = +29,397.
Total = +229,729.
Of course, all of the 229,729 votes spread across those three states would not have needed to shift from Trump to Harris in order for her to win and Trump to lose. Only half plus 1 in each of those states would have done it:
229,729 divided by 2 = 114,844. 5 angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims.
"Round up" to 114,845 angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims, add 1 more to each of those three states just to make sure and at 114,848, that would mean a shift of a mere 0. 076% of the total popular vote from Trump to Harris in his 2nd term run vs Harris for her 1st term run would have flipped the outcome.
Yes, I would consider that a historic squeaker win for a 2nd term presidential candidate. Easily among the squeakiest if not the squeakiest of all time.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/12/01/video-james-carville-torches-harris-campaign-almost-unfathomable-damage-inflicted-democrat-brand/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965394]Tiny, I was being sarcastic. Hunter has one buyer for most of his art work. During the trial, the prosecution tried to call as a witness the buyer. Are you ready for the funny part? The CIA would not let the prosecution do that. So in essence, the CIA was buying Hunter's art work. That is how bad the swamp is. Hunter no longer had to take bribes from Ukraine and China. He could take them from the CIA....[/QUOTE]I first saw this when the Marquis quoted you today Elvis. Yes, I knew you were being sarcastic. So was I.
The buyer, a Democratic Party donor and entertainment lawyer, not only paid $875,000 to buy Hunter's paintings, he also loaned him $5 million. And he paid money to Hunter's ex wife, Kathleen Buhle, and his baby momma, Lunden Roberts. Indeed, a whistleblower reported that the CIA intervened to stop the IRS from interviewing Hunter.
All this is bizarre as hell. The list of Hunter's tax deductions (e. G. For escorts, exotic dancers, hotel expense for his drug dealer, health insurance for sugar babies, rental payments on a Lamborghini, and "business travel" in the LOS Angeles area when he was throwing wild crack parties) is mundane in comparison.
[URL]https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-statement-on-transcribed-interview-with-kevin-morris%EF%BF%BC/[/URL]
[URL]https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/whistleblower-reveals-cia-stonewalled-interview-hunter-biden-business-0[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965602]The Kremlin could not be more delighted by their Puppet Trump's Cabinet nominees and Administration staff appointments. All that messaging and "news" copy passed to and through Fux News, Sinclair News, Congressional Repubs, etc and into the enthusiasticslly receptive skulls of MAGAs, Direct Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders really paid off.
However, as everyone here knows by now, they also need to give a special nod of thanks to that relative handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread across the only three battleground / swing states that mattered in determining the winner and came through beautifully for the Kremlin's purposes.
Well, I suppose that really means they owe a great debt to Netanyahu himself, really.
[B]KremlinTV Gushes About Trump's Cabinet Picks.
"If they are allowed to get in, they will quickly dismantle America, brick by brick. They are so great![/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/12/kremlintv-gushes-about-trumps-cabinet[/URL]
Of course, even if Senate Repubs grow a temporary pair and reject this first round of Kremlin-pleasing candidates Trump will simply nominate a second round of Kremlin-pleasing candidates. And the bulk of the damage has already been done; every World Leader, ally and foe alike, now knows beyond all doubt that Trump is a weak, silly, clownish Puppet of whatever America-hating enemy of freedom and democracy chooses to buy him off and pull his strings.
And, no, none of them has any reason whatsoever to suspect he is only pretending to be a know nothing clown in order to swoop in at some point in the future and out maneuver America's adversaries. LOL. No chance of that after witnessing his disastrous failed Trade Negotiations with Xi and his horrific blunder in ushering in, mishandling and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic last time around. And that was with at least 2-3 adult guard rails in his midst to keep him from REALLY screwing up top much. LOL. Nothing like that on hand this time around.[/QUOTE]I voted for the Pro Russia Pro Putin candidate as did 77 million other fine Americans.
So had they better love his Pro Russia Cabinet picks.
I Love Vladimir, Long Live the Motherland!!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965520][B]Trump Vowed To Go After Political Rivals If Re ElectedHeres Who Could Be Targeted[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/11/06/trump-vowed-to-go-after-political-rivals-if-re-elected-heres-who-could-be-targeted[/URL]
[B]Trump makes more than 100 threats to prosecute or punish perceived enemies[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155032/trump-makes-more-than-100-threats-to-prosecute-or-punish-perceived-enemies[/URL]
[B]Donald Trump threatens to imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and others. Experts are worried[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/12/trump-prosecution-threats-political-rivals/75060866007[/URL]
What exactly constitutes a threat in your opinion? Literally.
He still might. The night is young.[/QUOTE]How many family members did he pardon in his first term? ZERO.
Because they are not SCUMBAG Junkies and Criminals.
The Trump / Repub 'squeaker' of a win just got squeakier, taking the Repub expertise at rigging elections to new heights:
[B]GOP Gerrymandering in NC Tipped the Scales of Congress, Outgoing Lawmaker Says.
The MAGA Republicans in Raleigh didnt care about reflecting the will of the people, Rep. Wiley Nickel wrote.[/B]
[URL]https://truthout.org/articles/gop-gerrymandering-in-nc-tipped-the-scales-of-congress-outgoing-lawmaker-says/[/URL]
[QUOTE]In an op-ed for the Raleigh News & Observer, Nickel noted that the result of the presidential election in North Carolina and the results of other races in the state showed close to a 50-50 split, representative of the purple status North Carolina is known for. However, because of Republican gerrymandering last year, the congressional delegation leaned Republican, with a 10-4 split.
That six-seat difference is wider than the five-seat advantage that Republicans have over Democrats in the House of Representatives. Had the delegation had an even 7-7 split (as it has under fairer maps), control of the House of Representatives would have been granted to Democrats, not Republicans, as that chamber of Congress is set to have 220 seats for the GOP and 215 seats for Democrats.
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North Carolina Republicans were able to redraw the maps in their favor after winning control of the state legislature in 2020. But the maps they drew were determined to be partisan and racially discriminatory gerrymanders by the state Supreme Court, and they were ordered to redraw them. Republicans sued over that decision to the federal Supreme Court.
Eventually, that court, too, ruled against them, but the delay allowed for statewide elections to shift the balance of the state Supreme Court to conservative control. Republicans relitigated their maps to that changed court, which ruled in their favor, allowing the maps to be drawn to their advantage.[/QUOTE]Now, that 1 House Seat Majority Gerry-'mandate' for the Repubs was also facilitated by Trump himself, who knows so many of "the best people" for truly difficult and critically important jobs in his administration that he has to draw only from proven slavishly devoted Repub nutcases already in Congress or on Fux News regardless how utterly incompetent and unfit they are to do anything else but be slavishly devoted to blatantly obvious grifters and con men. Or, rather, because of it.
Which begs the question; doesn't Trump want to get any legislation passed and funded in his "First 100 Days", traditionally the best time for any president to get such things done and passed?
I mean, I thought the Biden Economy was so terrible for so many Americans that it was of utmost importance for the incoming Golfer-in-Chief to hit the ground running or at high speed in his golf cart so he can immediately wave his magic wand, say the magic words and finally make it possible for Americans to buy gas, pay rent, travel, eat an egg, buy crypto, buy stocks, engage in business and commerce. You know, things no American has been able to do since 12 Noon on January 20,2021.
So why on Earth would the Wizard of No Wars and Wonderful Low Rents and Gas Prices essentially lay down his magic wand and stifle his magic words by taking out so many of his necessary Sorcerer's Apprentices where the purse strings for his "rescue" of America from this terrible, terrible worst economy of all time reside, leaving him with no choice but to coast on what Biden-Harris and the Dems have handed him and, well, just play lots and lots and lots of golf over likely half of his otherwise most productive "economic rescue" year?
It is a puzzlement, isn't it? LOL.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965681] Indeed, a whistleblower reported that the CIA intervened to stop the IRS from interviewing Hunter.
[/QUOTE]Sorry I meant to write the whistleblower said the CIA intervened to keep the IRS from interviewing Hunter's art patron and Sugar Daddy.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965602]The Kremlin could not be more delighted by their Puppet Trump's Cabinet nominees and Administration staff appointments. All that messaging and "news" copy passed to and through Fux News, Sinclair News, Congressional Repubs, etc and into the enthusiasticslly receptive skulls of MAGAs, Direct Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders really paid off.
However, as everyone here knows by now, they also need to give a special nod of thanks to that relative handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread across the only three battleground / swing states that mattered in determining the winner and came through beautifully for the Kremlin's purposes.g.
Well, I suppose that really means they owe a great debt to Netanyahu himself, really.
[B]KremlinTV Gushes About Trump's Cabinet Picks.
"If they are allowed to get in, they will quickly dismantle America, brick by brick. They are so great![/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/12/kremlintv-gushes-about-trumps-cabinet[/URL]
[/QUOTE]To be honest, I thought you were grossly exaggerating. Then I saw it myself.
We now have a whole team of Manchurian Candidates supported by 50% of the population. No Hollywood visionary could've ever imagined this real-life nightmare.
Yes, evidently you are having problems understanding what literally means. Trump never threatened to put anybody in jail without investigation. That's LITERALLY the truth. And if you take all the writers editorializing with it, you will not find a quote in any of those articles with Trump saying the things you claim. Why would you need a writer to translate English for you, LOL 😂128514;128514;128514;? Yes it's a novel approach to some, use your own brain, Trump isn't speaking a foreign language. If you understand English you don't need a news writer to translate Trump's words. I guess it's novel for some that need to rely on a writer because they are too intellectually lazy to form their own opinion based on the raw information.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965631]"Reading the articles by taking out everything the writer says" is a very novel approach. Did you train long?
So it wasn't a threat because Trump didn't SPECIFICALLY threaten to lock him up by forgoing the due process? Is that the gist of your statement?[/QUOTE]
You're just scared your cushy worker benefits will go to the military if Trump forces you Frenchies to contribute more to NATO.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2965570]Not even president yet, but orange crazy dangerous shameful Trump already wants to show to the world, choosing number 1 in the world for tourism, my little so beautiful France. But I don't welcome his lack of respect. He should better stay in Florida. Under Biden, he had contacts with crazy dangerous shameful Putin, kind of twins, when he doesn't even respect US constitution. Both dangerous for our world.[/QUOTE]
Something to think about and compare. Look at the families of most politicians, movie types, and sports people. Most are horrible. Now look at Trump's family and even his grand children. Kinda tells you a lot about the guy without even knowing him. Strong close family.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2965677][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/12/01/video-james-carville-torches-harris-campaign-almost-unfathomable-damage-inflicted-democrat-brand/[/URL][/QUOTE]Isn't that the same James 'Carnival' who was giddy with joyous anticipation just days before November 5th because it was so obvious Harris had the edge over Trump?
Uh. There was a Joker in the deck that everyone knew about well before the election when both camps were maneuvering and campaigning to win them over because it was understood they were likely to be so critical to winning precisely those three states that made the difference between a President-elect Trump and a President-elect Harris; the Muslim community in PA, MI and WI.
Then, suddenly, a funny thing happened; when it actually DID come down to that Joker in the deck popping up in someone's card hand, everyone got selective amnesia about how and why they were so concerned about them and pursuing them leading up to the election. LOL. And just 114,848 of them spread over those three states voting for Trump instead of Harris made all the difference.
But James 'Carnival' and so many others don't want to accept that such a small sliver of incomprehensibly silly mindset voters produced such a horrific, history-altering result. Oh no no no. It must have been due to some vast and complex network of failed philosophy, results, messaging and campaigning.
I liken it to the refusal after all these decades to accept the fact that one lone gunman, a pathetic loser in almost every way, firing off a couple of bullets into his target in Dealy Plaza, Dallas, Texas was all it took to set in motion generations of dark clouds in America.
Yep. No more than 114,848 angry Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread among just those three states fired those 2-3 shots and very, very likely effectively put an end to this 240+ year American experiment. Hard for some to accept, I know. But there it is.
LOL. Of course, pro Repub pundits like Bill Maher and in most of Mainstream Media would much prefer Democrats "examine their conscience", "reaaccess their whole Party mission" and dump what they have been doing to win more votes than Repubs in practically every presidential election since 1992, come damn close to winning the presidency again this time with a female of mixed minority ethnicity against a 2nd term white old man candidate and would have won back the House if not for Repubs rigging it like never before and despite their policies and stewardship producing every Historic Economic Recovery, Economic Expansion and Jobs Creation of the past 100 years including the one America is experiencing right this very minute and none of the Historic Economic Downturns and Jobs Destruction including the one the incoming Repub produced the first time around as well as the Repub before him, the one before him, the one before him, etc.
Because it had to be some momentous force that created such a momentous potential decline for America on November 5th, right? Nope. Just a Joker in the deck that everyone seemed to know about beforehand but just can not afterwards accept was as capable of producing as much if not quite a bit more damage to the country as one lone Dallas gunman or 15 hijackers performing a jihad against America in the cockpits of 3 airliners on one sunny September morning.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2965685]I voted for the Pro Russia Pro Putin candidate as did 77 million other fine Americans.
So had they better love his Pro Russia Cabinet picks.
I Love Vladimir, Long Live the Motherland!![/QUOTE]Indeed! The only reason we have not had nuclear war is how rational Putin has been.
Like Trump said about the enemies within, the Pelosis and Schiffs are way more dangerous to America than Putin ever was.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2965813]Something to think about and compare. Look at the families of most politicians, movie types, and sports people. Most are horrible. Now look at Trump's family and even his grand children. Kinda tells you a lot about the guy without even knowing him. Strong close family.[/QUOTE]Which family from which wives? I think the wife who accused Donald of raping her and who was actually the financial and media star celebrity of the family while he was the embarrassing financial joke of the family was pretty strong.
LOL. No it wasn't just some angry muslims in 3 states that switched their votes. The democrats lost over 7 million votes from the free mail in ballot election in 2020. Ballot harvesting isn't as easy when states don't loosen their mail in ballot laws and just allow everybody to have a ballot without having to go through the trouble of registering to get one. That's the difference between 2020 and 2024.7 million mail in ballots. I understand ballot harvesting is not illegal, but it's much harder to get a voter to agree to have to register a ballot to harvest than it is to harvest a ballot that automatically gets mailed to their home without them having to do anything. If you're just strictly talking about the electoral college, Biden won the 5 battleground states of Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan by a combined smaller total than Trump did in those 5 states combined this time around. So you can easily use that excuse for 2020 as well. But in the country as a whole, 7 million less people felt like getting their vote in this time around. Most likely because it didn't get automatically mailed to their home so that a ballot harvester couldn't just knock on their house and get an easy vote.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965818]Isn't that the same James 'Carnival' who was giddy with joyous anticipation just days before November 5th because it was so obvious Harris had the edge over Trump?
Uh. There was a Joker in the deck that everyone knew about well before the election when both camps were maneuvering and campaigning to win them over because it was understood they were likely to be so critical to winning precisely those three states that made the difference between a President-elect Trump and a President-elect Harris; the Muslim community in PA, MI and WI.
Then, suddenly, a funny thing happened; when it actually DID come down to that Joker in the deck popping up in someone's card hand, everyone got selective amnesia about how and why they were so concerned about them and pursuing them leading up to the election. LOL. And just 114,848 of them spread over those three states voting for Trump instead of Harris made all the difference.
But James 'Carnival' and so many others don't want to accept that such a small sliver of incomprehensibly silly mindset voters produced such a horrific, history-altering result. Oh no no no. It must have been due to some vast and complex network of failed philosophy, results, messaging and campaigning.
I liken it to the refusal after all these decades to accept the fact that one lone gunman, a pathetic loser in almost every way, firing off a couple of bullets into his target in Dealy Plaza, Dallas, Texas was all it took to set in motion generations of dark clouds in America.
Yep. No more than 114,848 angry Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread among just those three states fired those 2-3 shots and very, very likely effectively put an end to this 240+ year American experiment. Hard for some to accept, I know. But there it is.
LOL. Of course, pro Repub pundits like Bill Maher and in most of Mainstream Media would much prefer Democrats "examine their conscience", "reaaccess their whole Party mission" and dump what they have been doing to win more votes than Repubs in practically every presidential election since 1992, come damn close to winning the presidency again this time with a female of mixed minority ethnicity against a 2nd term white old man candidate and would have won back the House if not for Repubs rigging it like never before and despite their policies and stewardship producing every Historic Economic Recovery, Economic Expansion and Jobs Creation of the past 100 years including the one America is experiencing right this very minute and none of the Historic Economic Downturns and Jobs Destruction including the one the incoming Repub produced the first time around as well as the Repub before him, the one before him, the one before him, etc.
Because it had to be some momentous force that created such a momentous potential decline for America on November 5th, right? Nope. Just a Joker in the deck that everyone seemed to know about beforehand but just can not afterwards accept was as capable of producing as much if not quite a bit more damage to the country as one lone Dallas gunman or 15 hijackers performing a jihad against America in the cockpits of 3 airliners on one sunny September morning.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2965403]LOL. The Administrator removed them so you can't find them.
I suggested to the Administrator that he or she delete the post where I inserted my comment in parentheses into your quote, as you requested. ... Both of our posts were deleted, not just mine. [/QUOTE] [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Nice admission of guilt!
Yeah, that's right, your insertion of inappropriate words (against ISG guidelines), I DID NOT WRITE, was the impetus and lead to admin stepping in to do a blanket delete.
The truth at last! Your welcome!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2965626]But probably spot on also.
Imagine if you will Hunter sitting in a cell for trafficking heroin and / or fentanyl for CCPland, all strung out on dope, willing to spill the beans on the whole Scumbag Biden crew.
"just let me out of here, I really need a fix" ROTFLMMFAO!!
I'd scumbag Joe thinking of this also, and pardons the whole lot of them to preemptively protect them all from the Junkie?[/QUOTE]No doubt a baby like Hunter would be singing like a canary within a day.
After the first 3 minutes of obligatory Trump bashing, Jon Stewart actually roasted Hunter, Joe, and the Dems pretty well here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5BcIHPMAHw[/URL].
What was the best line of all this crap? Yes, after saying Hunter Biden's laptop was not real, Joe Biden pardoned Hunter for what was on the laptop.
Yes, Hunter was pardoned for the time he "may have committed" crimes with his Ukraine connections. Any apologies coming Trump's way now for that bogus Ukraine impeachment? Any link between the crimes Hunter "may have committed" in Ukraine and the idiotic Ukraine war, Dems, hmmm?
And why are we supposed to hate Putin again?
The latest parondgate fiasco is here. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fauci-schiff-and-cheney-may-receive-preemptive-pardons[/URL].
Among those discussed for potential pardons are high-profile figures like Senator-elect Adam Schiff (D-CA), former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), and Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Their justification is that Trump will seek retribution, with their concerns growing more urgent following Trump's announcement last weekend appointing Kash Patel as FBI director. Patel, a staunch ally of Trump, has vowed to pursue the former president's critics, heightening concerns among Biden aides about possible investigations or indictments against officials who have opposed Trump in the past.
What are Dems so afraid of? Don't these people and Hunter have nothing to fear if they did not break the law? Or are they afraid that prosecutors can tun an allegedly incorrect expense entry into a crime? Why that would mean you could literally make up the law on your own and then claim someone was breaking it. Thing is I do not think you need to invent new laws. If January 6 was allegedly an interference into government function, WTF do you call Russiagate? Or the pandemic?
The biggest lie, one Xpartan just told, was that Trump has anything to do with Hunter. Hunter was convicted by Biden's own DOJ making his pardoning his son all that much worse. Why are you wasting your time with a prosecution if you are just going to pardon Hunter later? Did you really think he was innocent or did you think you could bully a jury into saying he was innocent? In any other case where someone is that fucking guilty, they take a plea deal.
Hopefully, this is the last we hear with Loony Tooms, Soy Boy Spidy the swamp creature, and Xpartan the war hawk on rule of law. What makes them such Democratic douches is they monger like crazy and swear up and down they are law abiding citizens.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965703]The Trump / Repub 'squeaker' of a win just got squeakier, taking the Repub expertise at rigging elections to new heights:
[B]GOP Gerrymandering in NC Tipped the Scales of Congress, Outgoing Lawmaker Says.
The MAGA Republicans in Raleigh didnt care about reflecting the will of the people, Rep. Wiley Nickel wrote.[/B]
[URL]https://truthout.org/articles/gop-gerrymandering-in-nc-tipped-the-scales-of-congress-outgoing-lawmaker-says/[/URL]
In an op-ed for the Raleigh News & Observer, Nickel noted that the result of the presidential election in North Carolina and the results of other races in the state showed close to a 50-50 split, representative of the purple status North Carolina is known for. However, because of Republican gerrymandering last year, the congressional delegation leaned Republican, with a 10-4 split.
That six-seat difference is wider than the five-seat advantage that Republicans have over Democrats in the House of Representatives. Had the delegation had an even 7-7 split (as it has under fairer maps), control of the House of Representatives would have been granted to Democrats, not Republicans, as that chamber of Congress is set to have 220 seats for the GOP and 215 seats for Democrats.
............
North Carolina Republicans were able to redraw the maps in their favor after winning control of the state legislature in 2020. But the maps they drew were determined to be partisan and racially discriminatory gerrymanders by the state Supreme Court, and they were ordered to redraw them. Republicans sued over that decision to the federal Supreme Court.
Eventually, that court, too, ruled against them, but the delay allowed for statewide elections to shift the balance of the state Supreme Court to conservative control. Republicans relitigated their maps to that changed court, which ruled in their favor, allowing the maps to be drawn to their advantage.
[/QUOTE]This "what if" line of reasoning appeals to you and some MAGA Repubicans. "What if" 100% of Muslims had voted for Harris? "What if" Republicans had just gotten 11,284 more votes in Georgia, 21,347 more votes in Wisconsin, and so on?
I saw the sanctimonious, delusional partisan Democrat, Wiley Nickel, on MSNBC's Morning Joe yesterday. He's the subject of the article you linked to above at bullshitout.org. Since 1946, Democrats have cheated much more effectively than Republicans, in getting more than their fair share of House seats. [b]During that period, since 1946, Democrats got on average 3.9% more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. That's an average of 17 more House seats, every election! [/b] (.039 x 435 total House seats = 17)
Republicans managed to turn the table in 2012 to 2016, but since then Democrats have gotten a marginally higher % of House Seats than votes.
See the last column in this table compiled by the Democrat-controlled Brookings Institution if you want to verify:
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]
The table goes through 2018. Here's the difference between the Democratic percentage of seats won, and the percentage of votes won since then:
2020 +0.7%
2022 +1.2%
2024 +1.6%.
The 2024 results reflect a final tally of 220 GOP House seats and 215 Democrat seats. [B]The Republicans won the House by a 5 seat margin, not one seat, as you keep repeatedly saying. [/B].
So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.
North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.
New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%
You can reproduce using the following sites and switching states:
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/north-carolina-house-results[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/north-carolina[/URL]
Admittedly I could probably come up with Republican states just as wildly unfair as the blue states above. Still, historically, the Democrats have cheated more effectively than Republicans, as clearly shown by the numbers. Democrat think tanks and media sources attempt to show that Republicans are better at gerrymandering House seats, but the numbers clearly show they're wrong. Crafty Democrats.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965759]You're just scared your cushy worker benefits will go to the military if Trump forces you Frenchies to contribute more to NATO.[/QUOTE]I didn't vote for Trump, or Harris. But there are two good things about the Trump victory.
1. The senseless war in Ukraine is more likely to come to an end. Neoconservatives will no longer have absolute control over foreign policy and defense.
2. The USA is less likely to become like France. Bill Clinton in his 2nd term was a good president. Obama went to the left of Clinton, and Biden to the left of Obama. And Kamala Harris is to the left of Biden. Say Kamala had been elected president. And Democrats had won the House and the Senate, after having ejected reasonable members of their caucus like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. And say they stayed in power for 20 years. We'd be in the same shape as France. Maybe 25% worse off than we could be otherwise in terms of per capita income. And in danger of becoming the next Greece. Harris may not be as crazy as Francois Hollande, but her preferred policies are more likely to bring economic stagnation to America than some other French leaders.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965836][i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Nice admission of guilt!
Yeah, that's right, your insertion of inappropriate words (against ISG guidelines), I DID NOT WRITE, was the impetus and lead to admin stepping in to do a blanket delete.
The truth at last! Your welcome![/QUOTE]Selective quoting makes sense when you're trying to address a specific point or avoid violating forum rules. It's not a good thing to do to try to mislead. Here's the post you were replying to in its entirety.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965403]LOL. The Administrator removed them so you can't find them.
I suggested to the Administrator that he or she delete the post where I inserted my comment in parentheses into your quote, as you requested. But not for the reason you cited. Rather the topic of conversation violated or was on the edge of violating the forum rule prohibiting discussion of sex with m*****. You may wish to familiarize yourself with that, as you seem intent on returning to the topic.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules[/URL]
Both of our posts were deleted, not just mine.
PVMonger and I also had a couple of posts deleted, for reasons I don't remember. Also a comment I made in a Bangkok report years ago about the size of my penis was deleted because I made a reference which I thought was very complementary to a certain group of people. The administrator however apparently didn't agree.
Those are the only instances I remember of my posts being deleted or modified.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2965858]Selective quoting makes sense when you're trying to address a specific point or avoid violating forum rules. It's not a good thing to do to try to mislead. Here's the post you were replying to in its entirety.[/QUOTE] Yes indeed, that was very good of you, to again replay your admission to the truth, that when you insert words, into another ISGer's post, you are being fraudulent in your actions. I'm so glad you recognize that truth.
Again your Welcome!
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2965398]And the lies continue. [URL]https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/11/getting_to_the_bottom_of_matt_gaetz_s_nomination_and_withdrawal.html[/URL].
Greenberg told Barr's DOJ he could implicate Gaetz in exchange for leniency, and the present investigation into Gaetz was opened. [/QUOTE]
[I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] What lies? The only lies, are the ones you're telling yourself!
Isn't this just typical, coming from the morally corrupt, MAGA / Repub lunatic fringe, to suggest a DOJ, AG or the office, shouldn't investigate and follow up on credible leads with regards to criminal and corrupt actions of their politicians.
When a partisan corrupt Repub Florida AG and office, hands out pitiful plea deals and a "slap on the wrist", to pedos and sex traffickers like Matt Gaetz and Jeffery Epstein, of course MAGA is going to think, [I][b]"...there's nothing to see here"[/b][/I]. But we all now know the truth about Jeffery Epstein and it's the exact same with Matt Gaetz.
[B]Matt Gaetzs Alleged Sex Crimes, Explained[/B]
[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/matt-gaetz-alleged-sex-crimes-explained-1235173669/[/URL]
It's just hilarious, how you, Elvis 2008 and Tiny 12, the MAGA defenders and sympathizers of Matt Gaetz pedo behavior, can't see the long standing pattern of criminal sexual behavior, is not worthy of holding office, is just sad!
[U]Take the Lastest MAGA INCEL\Misogynist with more sexual misconduct:[/U]
Pete Hegseth, is yet another, in a long line of MAGA / Repub ranting lunatics, racist idiots, incels and misogynists with mommy issues [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I], who is woefully unqualified, has zero job credibility, for the position and office of SecDef.
In a damning email, his own mother (for fuck's sake), drops a dime on him and accuses him of mistreating women for years.
[list][i][b]Text of the Email That Pete Hegseth's Mother Sent Him. [/b]
"[u]You are an abuser of women,[/u] that is the ugly truth, and I've no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around and uses women for his own power and ego, you are that man and have been for years. And as your mother it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth. "
"You're abuse over the years to women (dishonesty, sleeping around, betrayal, debasing, belittling) needs to be called out...On behalf of all the women (and I know it's many) you have abused in some way, [b]I say...get some help and take an honest look at yourself. You are an abuser of women."[/b] [/i]
[b]NYT: [/b][url]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/hegseth-email-text.html[/url] Nov 29th, 2024[/list]Under pressure from Pete, she later, in a "damage control" puff piece interview, she disavows what she said in the email, but the whole episode with his mother, was just seen as creepy, cringy and further evidence of how much of a scumbag, Pete Hegseth really is, to have involved his mother in such a terrible and desperate attempt, to backpedal and walk-back, his pattern of unfit behavior for office.
But surely you're not suggesting, the good-folk here at ISG, have anything to do with that kind of rape or pedo criminal behavior, Matt Gaetz and Pete Hegseth, are associated with, whom you are defending?
Last but not least, remember Elvis 2008, judging from Hegseth example, your momma knows best, and she certainly knows, who you, incels, misogynists and abusers of women really are! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965865][I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I] What lies? The only lies, are the ones you're telling yourself!
Isn't this just typical, coming from the morally corrupt, MAGA / Repub lunatic fringe, to suggest a DOJ, AG or the office, shouldn't investigate and follow up on credible leads with regards to criminal and corrupt actions of their politicians.
When partisan Repub Florida AG and the office, that hands out pitiful plea deals and a "slap on the wrist", to pedos and sex traffickers like Matt Gaetz and Jeffery Epstein, of course MAGA is going to think, [I][b]"...there's nothing to see here"[/b][/I]. But we all now know the truth about Jeffery Epstein and it's the exact same with Matt Gaetz. For now, Joel Greenberg is the only fall guy.
[B]Matt Gaetzs Alleged Sex Crimes, Explained[/B]
[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/matt-gaetz-alleged-sex-crimes-explained-1235173669/[/URL]
It's just hilarious, how you, Elvis 2008 and Tiny 12, the MAGA defenders and sympathizers of Matt Gaetz pedo behavior, can't see the long standing pattern of criminal sexual behavior, is not worthy of holding office, is just sad!
[U]Take the Lastest MAGA INCEL\Misogynist with sexual misconduct:[/U]
Pete Hegseth, is yet another, in a long line of MAGA / Repub ranting lunatics, racist idiots, incels and misogynists with mommy issues [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I], who is woefully unqualified, has zero job credibility, for the position and office of SecDef.
In a damning email, his own mother (for fuck's sake), drops a dime on him and accuses him of mistreating women for years.
[INDENT][i][b]Text of the Email That Pete Hegseth's Mother Sent Him. [/b]"...You are an abuser of women, that is the ugly truth, and I've no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around and uses women for his own power and ego, you are that man and have been for years. And as your mother it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth. You're abuse over the years to women (dishonesty, sleeping around, betrayal, debasing, belittling) needs to be called out...On behalf of all the women (and I know it's many) you have abused in some way, I say...get some help and take an honest look at yourself. You are an abuser of women." [/i]
[b]NYT: [/b][url]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/hegseth-email-text.html[/url] Nov 29th, 2024[/INDENT]
Under pressure from Pete, she later, in a "damage control" puff piece interview, she disavows what she said in the email, but the whole episode with his mother, was just seen as creepy, cringy and further evidence of how much of a scumbag, Pete Hegseth really is, to have involved his mother in such a terrible and desperate attempt, to backpedal and walk-back, his pattern of unfit behavior for office.
But surely you're not suggesting, the good-folk here at ISG, have anything to do with that kind of rape or pedo criminal behavior, Matt Gaetz and Pete Hegseth, are associated with, whom you are defending?
Last but not least, remember Elvis 2008, your mommy knows best and she certainly knows, who you, incels and misogynists are! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].[/QUOTE]Keep writing you are their best Cheerleaders!!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965818]Isn't that the same James 'Carnival' who was giddy with joyous anticipation just days before November 5th because it was so obvious Harris had the edge over Trump?
Uh. There was a Joker in the deck that everyone knew about well before the election when both camps were maneuvering and campaigning to win them over because it was understood they were likely to be so critical to winning precisely those three states that made the difference between a President-elect Trump and a President-elect Harris; the Muslim community in PA, MI and WI.
Then, suddenly, a funny thing happened; when it actually DID come down to that Joker in the deck popping up in someone's card hand, everyone got selective amnesia about how and why they were so concerned about them and pursuing them leading up to the election. LOL. And just 114,848 of them spread over those three states voting for Trump instead of Harris made all the difference.
But James 'Carnival' and so many others don't want to accept that such a small sliver of incomprehensibly silly mindset voters produced such a horrific, history-altering result. Oh no no no. It must have been due to some vast and complex network of failed philosophy, results, messaging and campaigning.
I liken it to the refusal after all these decades to accept the fact that one lone gunman, a pathetic loser in almost every way, firing off a couple of bullets into his target in Dealy Plaza, Dallas, Texas was all it took to set in motion generations of dark clouds in America.
Yep. No more than 114,848 angry Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread among just those three states fired those 2-3 shots and very, very likely effectively put an end to this 240+ year American experiment. Hard for some to accept, I know. But there it is.
LOL. Of course, pro Repub pundits like Bill Maher and in most of Mainstream Media would much prefer Democrats "examine their conscience", "reaaccess their whole Party mission" and dump what they have been doing to win more votes than Repubs in practically every presidential election since 1992, come damn close to winning the presidency again this time with a female of mixed minority ethnicity against a 2nd term white old man candidate and would have won back the House if not for Repubs rigging it like never before and despite their policies and stewardship producing every Historic Economic Recovery, Economic Expansion and Jobs Creation of the past 100 years including the one America is experiencing right this very minute and none of the Historic Economic Downturns and Jobs Destruction including the one the incoming Repub produced the first time around as well as the Repub before him, the one before him, the one before him, etc.
Because it had to be some momentous force that created such a momentous potential decline for America on November 5th, right? Nope. Just a Joker in the deck that everyone seemed to know about beforehand but just can not afterwards accept was as capable of producing as much if not quite a bit more damage to the country as one lone Dallas gunman or 15 hijackers performing a jihad against America in the cockpits of 3 airliners on one sunny September morning.[/QUOTE]Everyone's wrong but Bullshitting Bangkok Bob, yes Carville Dick Morris Mark Penn Rahm Emannuel et al.
Everyone says the psychotic Trans feminist crazies like Spidy have highjacked their party except you.
That's cool, stay the course, I agree with you everything is fine, nothing to see here folks just move along.
Now get back to watching the Joy Reid show on a loop 24/7.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2965865]But we now know the truth about Jeffery Epstein and it's the exact same with Matt Gaetz.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Epstein was tried and convicted as was Hunter Biden. Epstein was killed in jail, and Hunter was pardoned. Gaetz and Hegseth were investigated and not charged.
In this case of Gaetz, the reason were the witnesses against him were unreliable, scummy people engaged in criminal activity. In Hegseth's case, it was a married woman at a hotel party who claimed she did not like how Hegseth treated women, fucked him, and then later lied to her husband about where she was. Hegseth said they had consensual sex but the woman said she had sex against her will, but this same woman's story contradicted the testimony of other guests and she had accused a different man of raping her in similar circumstances.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14142497/Leaked-email-Pete-Hegseth-mother-stunning-allegation.html[/URL]
Doe's husband was also at the hotel and texted her close to 2 am, wondering where she was.
When she returned to her room at 4 am, she reportedly lied to her husband that she had fallen asleep on someone's couch.
End of link. Yeah, that is what you do after you are raped, lie to your husband.
As for Hegesth's mother, there is this, [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14142497/Leaked-email-Pete-Hegseth-mother-stunning-allegation.html[/URL].
When reached by the Times for comment, Penelope Hegseth. An executive business coach by trade. Gave a completely different story and totally took back what she'd written.
'It is not true. It has never been true. I know my son. He is a good father, husband,' before calling the Times 'disgusting' for publishing the email.
She says that it was written 'in anger, with emotion' at the time Hegseth and Samantha were divorcing.
End of link. This is the issue with this believe all women crap. When I was in my divorce, my mother could have easily written a letter as my ex-wife was so good at hiding what a psycho she was. Once people saw the real her, the question went from how could you have cheated on her to how could you have put up with her for so long?
And my own mother met some of my sugar babies and it was quite the eye opener for her. She saw respectable, attractive, ethical, hard working women who just needed a little help financially. The image of women being preyed upon and plied with drugs and threats to have sex was gone.
So I am done with this sexual accusation crap, and I hope all Republicans are. I have a lot more concern whether a future Secretary of Defense is of sound character than his love life and what some female psycho he has been with once thinks of him. I had a lot more concerns with Kavanaugh and his disdain for the 4th amendement than I did with what he did at 15.
At this point, I have to ask, Spidy the Soy Boy, what are you doing here? Do you even see women who are P4 P? Do you get the legal importance of distinguishing between helping woman out and paying for sex? I swear to God it seems like you have never had to deal with any psycho women, and that makes me wonder if you have ever seen any women at all.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2965685]I voted for the Pro Russia Pro Putin candidate as did 77 million other fine Americans.
So had they better love his Pro Russia Cabinet picks.
I Love Vladimir, Long Live the Motherland!![/QUOTE]Say what you want about MDS, but he's honest. You can't take it away from him.
He's the only one here who openly wants Trump to rule like a dictator.
He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him). BTW, does anyone know why?
He's the only one here who publicly announces his undying love for tyrant and mass murderer Vladimir Putin.
Unlike pathetic hypocrites who inflate their rhetoric to appear as champions of democracy, defenders of the Constitution, supporters of the rule of law, and even compassionate allies of the Ukrainian people (which is the funniest of all their lets-pretends), MDS doesn't mince words at all. He knows what he wants and isn't scared to say it.
Well, kudos!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965849][b]During that period, since 1946, Democrats got on average 3.9% more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. That's an average of 17 more House seats, every election! [/b] [/QUOTE]Tooms, I made a mistake. Democrats actually only got on average 9 more House seats than they deserved in elections since 1946, not 17 more seats. You can reproduce my number using the 3. 9% above along with the average of 238 Democratic House seats since the 1946 election from this link.
[URL]https://history.house.gov/Institution/Party-Divisions/Party-Divisions/[/URL]
238 - (238/1. 039) = 9 more seats than Democrats deserved.
Still 9 seats is significant. Nowadays it can sometimes mean the difference in which party controls Congress.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965759]You're just scared your cushy worker benefits will go to the military if Trump forces you Frenchies to contribute more to NATO.[/QUOTE]I know Siri and I'm pretty sure you nailed him on the forehead LOLOLOL.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965851]I didn't vote for Trump, or Harris. But there are two good things about the Trump victory.
1. The senseless war in Ukraine is more likely to come to an end. Neoconservatives will no longer have absolute control over foreign policy and defense.
2. The USA is less likely to become like France. Bill Clinton in his 2nd term was a good president. Obama went to the left of Clinton, and Biden to the left of Obama. And Kamala Harris is to the left of Biden. Say Kamala had been elected president. And Democrats had won the House and the Senate, after having ejected reasonable members of their caucus like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. And say they stayed in power for 20 years. We'd be in the same shape as France. Maybe 25% worse off than we could be otherwise in terms of per capita income. And in danger of becoming the next Greece. Harris may not be as crazy as Francois Hollande, but her preferred policies are more likely to bring economic stagnation to America than some other French leaders.[/QUOTE]John Thomas rec'd approx 90000 votes in the PA Senate race.
Casey lost by approx 16000 votes had John Thomas stole a few more votes, Casey would of won.
Maybe Chase "the Gun" who rec'd 0. 04%, had rec'd approx 2. 4% instead he could of threw it to Harris the whoor, is that what you wanted?
Did you vote for that or not? You seem quite schizophrenic.
So what about?
1. The senseless war in Ukraine is more likely to come to an end. Neoconservatives will no longer have absolute control over foreign policy and defense.
2. The USA is less likely to become like France. Bill Clinton in his 2nd term was a good president. Obama went to the left of Clinton, and Biden to the left of Obama. And Kamala Harris is to the left of Biden. Say Kamala had been elected president. And Democrats had won the House and the Senate, after having ejected reasonable members of their caucus like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. And say they stayed in power for 20 years. We'd be in the same shape as France. Maybe 25% worse off than we could be otherwise in terms of per capita income. And in danger of becoming the next Greece. Harris may not be as crazy as Francois Hollande, but her preferred policies are more likely to bring economic stagnation to America than some other French leaders.
Long Live Vladimir and the Motherland!!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965398]
Greenberg told Barr's DOJ he could implicate Gaetz in exchange for leniency, and the present investigation into Gaetz was opened....[/QUOTE]Good post Elvis, and that's absolutely true.
Respectfully maybe we should stop replying to Spidy. Anybody with half a brain knows the accusations he's leveling at you and me about p**** are ridiculous. However it may just get us in trouble with Admin, and that kind of behavior is against the ISG code of honor.. So perhaps better to discuss other topics. "Don't feed the troll."
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965849]This "what if" line of reasoning appeals to you and some MAGA Repubicans. "What if" 100% of Muslims had voted for Harris? "What if" Republicans had just gotten 11,284 more votes in Georgia, 21,347 more votes in Wisconsin, and so on?
I saw the sanctimonious, delusional partisan Democrat, Wiley Nickel, on MSNBC's Morning Joe yesterday. He's the subject of the article you linked to above at bullshitout.org. Since 1946, Democrats have cheated much more effectively than Republicans, in getting more than their fair share of House seats. [b]During that period, since 1946, Democrats got on average 3.9% more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. That's an average of 17 more House seats, every election! [/b] (.039 x 435 total House seats = 17)
Republicans managed to turn the table in 2012 to 2016, but since then Democrats have gotten a marginally higher % of House Seats than votes.
See the last column in this table compiled by the Democrat-controlled Brookings Institution if you want to verify:
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]
The table goes through 2018. Here's the difference between the Democratic percentage of seats won, and the percentage of votes won since then:
2020 +0.7%
2022 +1.2%
2024 +1.6%.
The 2024 results reflect a final tally of 220 GOP House seats and 215 Democrat seats. [B]The Republicans won the House by a 5 seat margin, not one seat, as you keep repeatedly saying. [/B].
So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.
North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.
New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%
You can reproduce using the following sites and switching states:
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/north-carolina-house-results[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/north-carolina[/URL]
Admittedly I could probably come up with Republican states just as wildly unfair as the blue states above. Still, historically, the Democrats have cheated more effectively than Republicans, as clearly shown by the numbers. Democrat think tanks and media sources attempt to show that Republicans are better at gerrymandering House seats, but the numbers clearly show they're wrong. Crafty Democrats.[/QUOTE]You mean like "What if" the Majority in the House and Senate were determined by the number of popular votes each Party got across the country?
And "What if" the presidential candidates had enough time and money to campaign and run constant ads in every state as much as they go to "battle" in order to "swing" the only votes that ultimately matter in the Battleground / Swing States as they clearly did with the Muslim comminity demo in those three ultimately determinative Battleground / Swing States this time around?
But they don't.
IF they did, the popular votes in the House, Senate and Presidency would very possibly be quite different than they are now that one Party's candidate and ad money often does not even show up very much in traditionally tried and true Red or Blue States and heavily gerrymandered House districts.
Particularly, again, since winning the popular vote for the Party or the presidential candidate has zero to do with who "deserves" the Senate Majority, House Majority or Presidrbcy.
Just sayin'.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2965813]Something to think about and compare. Look at the families of most politicians, movie types, and sports people. Most are horrible. [b]Now look at Trump's family and even his grand children.[/b] Strong close family.[/QUOTE]Any batter can take two strikes and still hit a home run. It is the average that batter has over his career that puts him in the Hall of Fame.
Please read the article below. [B]Let me know if you would like to retract any part of your statement[/B].
[URL]https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/love-sex/donald-trumps-family-journey-marriages-divorces-and-children/photostory/115014511.cms[/URL]
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2965813]Kinda tells you a lot about the guy without even knowing him.[/QUOTE]Curious to know what you think his history of marriage tells us about [B]President Elect Trump[/B]?
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2965759]You're just scared your cushy worker benefits will go to the military if Trump forces you Frenchies to contribute more to NATO.[/QUOTE]I hate a crazy shameful small dick like Trump, to behave like this with women. For me, he is Putin brother. I don t welcome him in France. When I love Russia for the country and Ukrainians and Russians are true brothers, but I will always support Ukrainians versus criminal Putin, like I support Palestinians versus criminal Netanyahou. For freedom for both to get a country and peace. But US know so few about outside world, except money. US are less than 5% of world population and so scared of China, when I m not, when I don t buy chinese shit products, like I would not buy US low quality for most products, compare to Western European standards. I m pretty sure Trump will fuck deeply US, when he is master of bullshit.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2965868]Everyone's wrong but Bullshitting Bangkok Bob, yes Carville Dick Morris Mark Penn Rahm Emannuel et al.
Everyone says the psychotic Trans feminist crazies like Spidy have highjacked their party except you.
That's cool, stay the course, I agree with you everything is fine, nothing to see here folks just move along.
Now get back to watching the Joy Reid show on a loop 24/7.[/QUOTE][B]Muslim voters once abandoned the GOP. Now they may leave the Democrats.
Anger about Gaza helped Donald Trump win the most Arab American city in the country, while support for Kamala Harris was cut in half.
Nov. 10, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/muslim-voters-abandoned-gop-now-may-leave-democrats-rcna179304[/URL]
[QUOTE]Trump won 42% of the vote a nearly 15 percentage-point gain from 2020 in Dearborn, where more than half of residents are of Middle Eastern descent. Harris, meanwhile, received just 36% in the city, barely more than half of Bidens 2020 vote share. Stein received 18% of the vote, compared to less than 1% nationwide.
...........
"Our final exit poll of American Muslim voters confirms that opposition to the Biden administrations support for the war on Gaza played a crucial role, leading to a sharp drop in support for Vice President Harris, said CAIR National Government Affairs Director Robert S. McCaw.
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"Our efforts in mobilizing the community demonstrated that Muslim Americans are no longer taken for granted. [B]Trump has acknowledged our role, [/b]and we are ready to work alongside his administration to advocate for policies that support peace and unity, said Rabiul Chowdhury, a co-founder of [b]Muslims for Trump, which was active in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.[/b]
[/QUOTE]Why do you doubt your lord and savior about this and now suddenly side with James 'Carnival'?
BTW, the numbers can not be refuted by anyone; less than a 115,000 vote swing from Harris to Trump or Trump to Harris spread over just three significantly Muslim-demo battleground / swing states would have and did decide the outcome of the presidential election, the exact states where Trump's new favorite political activist organization, Muslims for Trump, mobilized their anti-Biden-Harris ground game in order to "give him the presidency. ".
Has it not yet occurred to you that there is NO FUTURE JOB AND INCOME OPPORTUNITY for 'Carnival', Penn, Morris, et al to simply admit Harris or any other Dem candidate should have worked harder to explain how stupid and sure to be regretted the reasoning was behind any Muslims ever voting for Trump rather than blaming it on a vast array of complex Total Party issues that they and only they are brilliant enough to overhaul from top to bottom?
Lololol. Again, P. T. Barnum grossly underestimated how often a sucker is born, probably because his estimate was made prior to the MAGA movement.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965889][b]Why can't all Trumpies be like Marquis?[/b]
Say what you want about MDS, but he's honest. You can't take it away from him.
He's the only one here who openly wants Trump to rule like a dictator.
He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him). BTW, does anyone know why?
He's the only one here who publicly announces his undying love for tyrant and mass murderer Vladimir Putin.
Unlike pathetic hypocrites who inflate their rhetoric to appear as champions of democracy, defenders of the Constitution, supporters of the rule of law, and even compassionate allies of the Ukrainian people (which is the funniest of all their lets-pretends), MDS doesn't mince words at all. He knows what he wants and isn't scared to say it.
Well, kudos![/QUOTE]From Trump on top all the way down to MDS in his preferred position as a bottom, all MAGAs and Trumpies celebrate and admit to these Anti-America, America-hating sentiments and hopes amongst themselves.
Yes, he is different in that he cuts through any pretense otherwise here. But even as far back as Reagan, he and his cult followers were proud to openly and without shame declare War Against America; That this free and democratic government of, by and for We, The People is "not the solution to our problems" but instead "IS the problem. ".
Repubs have been plotting, planning, scheming, lying, cheating, stealing and acting accordingly in response to that Ronald Reagan War Whoop Against America ever since.
LOL it's called sarcasm. And chicken little, FYI by US law Trump can't rule like a dictator any more than emperor Obama. I mean how much of their stuff didn't pass over their 3 terms. And make no mistake about it, Obama tried to rule like an emperor, hell everybody knows he still calls the shots for the whole party up to 2024. So much so NBC called him a bigger loser in the election than Harris.
Fun fact Putin only does land grabs when democrats are in office. If people like you can't understand why tons of voters that voted for biden switched over to Trump, then you're going to keep losing with that dictator rhetoric. Treating people that consider voting for Trump like they were and at zis instead of trying to focus on why they were considering abandoning the current administration and being empathetic with their concerns probably cost your party 5 million votes. Your party managed to alienate legal Mexicans, black men, and Muslims, 3 groups whose 5-10% swing from biden to Trump decided the election. I mean how the hell does a black candidate actually do worse with blacks than a guy that voted against black kids being on integrated school busses in the 1980's and who got called out for it by said candidate that he turned around and made his VP. LOL you literally can't make any of this stuff up. Just stop with the strongman talk, the reason why Harris lost, she was a worse candidate than Trump. She had no vision, Biden had a approval rating lower than Trump's pre-covid and post- covid. She couldn't answer a legitimate, unrehearsed question, even from her friends on The View.
Tons of Democrat politicians, donors, and yes, voters have said as much. It's time to grow up and lose the strongman / dictator excuses and actually understand why she lost. People that voted for Biden; black men, Muslims and Latinos, changed their minds and put Trump over the top. He actually did better with college graduates of all races and worse with white older Americans. But keep up the dictator excuses without actually caring about the real reasons they lost and watch more GenZ voters turn red while the old GOP voters age out. I mean 40% of women under 30. Even Reagan wasn't getting that. And naturally, more people become conservative as they age and gain more life experiences. Millennials probably won't be any different as the counterculture population also became more conservative with age. GenZ is already getting there. This has to be alarming for the Democrat party, and it goes way beyond Trump, who is probably the one candidate in the republican party they should be able to beat in a general election. Independent voters (those that don't vote in primaries) will probably find people like JD Vance, Tim Scott, and Marco rubio even more easy to vote for.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965889]Say what you want about MDS, but he's honest. You can't take it away from him.
He's the only one here who openly wants Trump to rule like a dictator.
He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him). BTW, does anyone know why?
He's the only one here who publicly announces his undying love for tyrant and mass murderer Vladimir Putin.
Unlike pathetic hypocrites who inflate their rhetoric to appear as champions of democracy, defenders of the Constitution, supporters of the rule of law, and even compassionate allies of the Ukrainian people (which is the funniest of all their lets-pretends), MDS doesn't mince words at all. He knows what he wants and isn't scared to say it.
Well, kudos![/QUOTE]
And Biden won the battleground states by even less, what's your point?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965963][B]Muslim voters once abandoned the GOP. Now they may leave the Democrats.
Anger about Gaza helped Donald Trump win the most Arab American city in the country, while support for Kamala Harris was cut in half.
Nov. 10, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/muslim-voters-abandoned-gop-now-may-leave-democrats-rcna179304[/URL]
Why do you doubt your lord and savior about this and now suddenly side with James 'Carnival'?
BTW, the numbers can not be refuted by anyone; less than a 115,000 vote swing from Harris to Trump or Trump to Harris spread over just three significantly Muslim-demo battleground / swing states would have and did decide the outcome of the presidential election, the exact states where Trump's new favorite political activist organization, Muslims for Trump, mobilized their anti-Biden-Harris ground game in order to "give him the presidency. "..[/QUOTE]
If you honestly think that's why Harris lost 7 million people that voted for Biden, then prepare to keep losing cause you're not even being intellectually honest at this point. They literally voted against Trump in 2020 and had buyers remorse. Those voters cost Harris the election, not the MAGA voters. Be prepared to keep bleeding independent voters if your party is as lazy at being intellectually honest as you are being.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965889]Say what you want about MDS, but he's honest. You can't take it away from him.
He's the only one here who openly wants Trump to rule like a dictator.
He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him). BTW, does anyone know why?
He's the only one here who publicly announces his undying love for tyrant and mass murderer Vladimir Putin.[/QUOTE]
No! I have it on impeccable authority here, in the Repub Party, from President-elect Trump and all throughout Mainstream Media that since 12 Noon on January 20, 2021 virtually NO American has had a job, a pay increase, money to buy eggs, bacon, crypto, stocks, anything, to travel, buy gas, pay rent or anything else and they are just waiting patiently for 12 Noon on January 20, 2025 to finally get back to living and tasting an egg again.
So this has to be that "fake news" we have all been hearing about:
[B]Number of 401 (k) millionaires and average balances rose in 2024, Fidelity finds.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/06/number-of-401k-plan-and-ira-millionaires-hits-fresh-high.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Helped by consistent savings efforts and market gains, average retirement account balances reached[b] fresh highs[/b] in the third quarter, according to Fidelity, the largest 401(k) plan provider in the U.S.
The number of 401(k) and IRA millionaires also hit [b]all-time highs and, for the first time, millennials joined the group.[/b]
As the markets tested record highs, retirement savers reaped the benefits.
The average 401(k) plan balance ended the third quarter up 23% from a year earlier, at $132,300 [b] the highest average on record, [/b]according to a new report by Fidelity, the nations largest provider of 401(k) plans. The financial services firm handles more than 49 million retirement accounts altogether.
The average individual retirement account balance also rose 18% year over year to $129,200 in the third quarter of 2024.
[B]Number of 401(k) millionaires jumps 9.5%[/b]
The number of 401(k) accounts with a balance of $1 million or more j[b]umped to a record 497,000 as of Sept. 30, up 9.5% from the second quarter,[/b] according to Fidelity.
Similarly, the number of IRA-created millionaires increased by nearly 5% to a [b]record 418,111.[/b][/QUOTE]Still the best:
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2966047]If you honestly think that's why Harris lost 7 million people that voted for Biden, then prepare to keep losing cause you're not even being intellectually honest at this point. They literally voted against Trump in 2020 and had buyers remorse. Those voters cost Harris the election, not the MAGA voters. Be prepared to keep bleeding independent voters if your party is as lazy at being intellectually honest as you are being.[/QUOTE]Maybe it wasn't about Biden's or the Democrats' shortcomings at all but that voter turnout for Dems went back to a more normal level from the record high of 2020 but Trump voters had 4 years of getting fired up to vote in favor of his bigotries and criminality while being kept in their comfortable zero or low-information bubble by Mainstream Media not being clear enough about the threat his campaign promises pose to their freedom, health and economic well-being:
[B]Trump Supporters Knew Exactly Who They Were Voting For.
Nov. 13, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://time.com/7175545/trump-election-authoritarian-democrats-loss/[/URL]
[QUOTE]But too many of the election postmortems have treated the results of this race as a kind of up-and-down vote on Democrats, as if Trumps victory is entirely about Democratic shortcomings. The truth is that voters who turned out on Nov. 5 were also voting for something, and for someone. That person was Donald Trump a man who has not exactly been shy about his priorities, his bigotries, and his character, a convicted felon who has also been found liable of sexual assault.
................
Given that Americas lowest-information voters tend to be Trumps core constituency, it wouldnt be surprising if many of them didnt know, say, the minutiae of Project 2025 or the plan to dismantle the administrative state utilizing a unitary theory of the executive. They also may not have any idea about what his tariff plan might do to consumer prices, or that the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid are now on the chopping block, or what his mass deportation scheme would mean for things construction costs and economic productivity not to mention the price of food. But its hard to imagine that voters are ignorant about his headliner policies, including tariffs and immigration. And at some point, if voters choose not to learn much about the people theyre electing to power outside of a general vibe, thats not the fault of Democrats or liberals. Its certainly Democrats and liberals problem but Im not sure theyre the primary ones causing it.[/QUOTE]And, of course, there was that difficult to predict and mitigate relative handful of angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread across the three decisive battleground / swing states whose last minute mobilization to deny the Biden Administration a 2nd term gave Trump his squeaker of a win.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2966044]And Biden won the battleground states by even less, what's your point?[/QUOTE]One obvious point to make is that even though Biden-Harris won the Electoral College Vote by a similarly narrow margin in 2-3 battleground / swing states as Trump-Vance did this time, Biden-Harris also won the popular vote by a decisive margin, the clear Majority and an all-time record number of votes that still stands, Biden-Harris did not then spend the following weeks crowing about winning by such a "landslide" into a "mandate" that, what the hell, the American people ought to be four-square behind any numbskull Cabinet Secretaries Biden wanted to nominate no matter how blatantly obviously unfit they would be to work as Costco or Sam's Club greeters much less in positions of true life or death, economic and national security importance.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2966088]
And, of course, there was that difficult to predict and mitigate relative handful of angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims spread across the three decisive battleground / swing states whose last minute mobilization to deny the Biden Administration a 2nd term gave Trump his squeaker of a win.[/QUOTE]The stupidest take since the pandemic was Trump's fault. Anyone can cite changes races and sexes as being the difference in the election, and yet you want to cherry pick a fight against Arab Americans. Your side ran a shit campaign, and you are a cherry picking, sick racist. Why don't you admit you fucked up and admit you were wrong like a man?
In your twisted and fucked up head, the only parties who can do no wrong are God and Democrats.
This shit cracked me up:
Afroman and Hunter got high.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLD1yhxNik[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2965942]I hate a crazy shameful small dick like Trump, to behave like this with women. For me, he is Putin brother. I don t welcome him in France. When I love Russia for the country and Ukrainians and Russians are true brothers, but I will always support Ukrainians versus criminal Putin, like I support Palestinians versus criminal Netanyahou. For freedom for both to get a country and peace. But US know so few about outside world, except money. US are less than 5% of world population and so scared of China, when I m not, when I don t buy chinese shit products, like I would not buy US low quality for most products, compare to Western European standards. I m pretty sure Trump will fuck deeply US, when he is master of bullshit.[/QUOTE]When I don t buy chinese shit products, like I would not buy US low quality for most products, compare to Western European standards.
You might get away with saying Deutschland has decent standards but I find it funny you didn't say France does LMFAO.
I'm willing you bet large money you don't zoom around FKKland In a Renault LMAO.
And what kind of phone do you own? If you don't own an American Iphone you carry a turd around in your pocket 24/7.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965889]Say what you want about MDS, but he's honest. You can't take it away from him.
He's the only one here who openly wants Trump to rule like a dictator.
He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him). BTW, does anyone know why?
He's the only one here who publicly announces his undying love for tyrant and mass murderer Vladimir Putin.
Unlike pathetic hypocrites who inflate their rhetoric to appear as champions of democracy, defenders of the Constitution, supporters of the rule of law, and even compassionate allies of the Ukrainian people (which is the funniest of all their lets-pretends), MDS doesn't mince words at all. He knows what he wants and isn't scared to say it.
Well, kudos![/QUOTE]He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him AGAIN).
[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965965]From Trump on top all the way down to MDS in his preferred position as a bottom, all MAGAs and Trumpies celebrate and admit to these Anti-America, America-hating sentiments and hopes amongst themselves.
Yes, he is different in that he cuts through any pretense otherwise here. But even as far back as Reagan, he and his cult followers were proud to openly and without shame declare War Against America; That this free and democratic government of, by and for We, The People is "not the solution to our problems" but instead "IS the problem. ".
Repubs have been plotting, planning, scheming, lying, cheating, stealing and acting accordingly in response to that Ronald Reagan War Whoop Against America ever since.[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/UT54jFVWdMo?si=Ngvb8WKl4LqptwWp[/URL]
And you're way way to old for me and you're not my type, not to even mention I'm not into LBs ROTFLMMFAO.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2966047]If you honestly think that's why Harris lost 7 million people that voted for Biden, then prepare to keep losing cause you're not even being intellectually honest at this point. They literally voted against Trump in 2020 and had buyers remorse. Those voters cost Harris the election, not the MAGA voters. Be prepared to keep bleeding independent voters if your party is as lazy at being intellectually honest as you are being.[/QUOTE]What if they are being as intellectually honest as they can be.
But the issue is a serious deficiency instead?? I will posit here that it is usually more the latter than the former!!
Long Live My Dearest Vladimir and The Motherland.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2965889]Say what you want about MDS, but he's honest. You can't take it away from him.
He's the only one here who openly wants Trump to rule like a dictator.
He's the only one here who admits that he wants "full scale" Civil War (although maybe not anymore since this election "wasn't stolen" from him). BTW, does anyone know why?
He's the only one here who publicly announces his undying love for tyrant and mass murderer Vladimir Putin.
Unlike pathetic hypocrites who inflate their rhetoric to appear as champions of democracy, defenders of the Constitution, supporters of the rule of law, and even compassionate allies of the Ukrainian people (which is the funniest of all their lets-pretends), MDS doesn't mince words at all. He knows what he wants and isn't scared to say it.
Well, kudos![/QUOTE]This might be the funniest thing I've ever seen written about me in my entire life, here's some food for thought, imagine what you could learn from me.
If this thread wasn't censored?
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2966043]by US law Trump can't rule like a dictator[/QUOTE]What in the holy name of crap are you talking about? Don't you know Trump already has absolute immunity from prosecution while in office? Oh, come, ye unfaithful! I predict even some of you fanboys will be terrified within the next 4 years--maybe not you, though. And not Marquis, that's given, but some of you dimwits will. Totally.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2965942]I hate a crazy shameful small dick like Trump, to behave like this with women. For me, he is Putin brother. I don t welcome him in France. When I love Russia for the country and Ukrainians and Russians are true brothers, but I will always support Ukrainians versus criminal Putin, like I support Palestinians versus criminal Netanyahou. For freedom for both to get a country and peace. But US know so few about outside world, except money. US are less than 5% of world population and so scared of China, when I m not, when I don t buy chinese shit products, like I would not buy US low quality for most products, compare to Western European standards. I m pretty sure Trump will fuck deeply US, when he is master of bullshit.[/QUOTE]I studied French one year in high school and so, as service to the membership, will translate this message. Please note the use of the word "US," to denote Frenchmen. It means the same thing as "we" or "us" and is always capitalized when referring to people of French nationality.
Trump behaves badly with women. Therefore, he is crazy, shameful, and has a small penis. He and Vladimir Putin are brothers. I won't greet him if he comes to France by placing my cheek against his and making a smacking sound with my lips. I love Russia. Ukrainians and Russians are brothers. I will always support Ukrainians, Vladimir Putin, Palestinians, criminals and Netanyahu in their struggle to get their own homeland and live together in peace. We (the French) know so little about the outside world, but we do understand money. We are less than 5% of the population and very scared of China. I don't buy feces from China. And I do not buy feces from the USA either, as it's low quality. Western Europe has the highest standards for feces. I'm pretty sure Trump will penetrate us (Frenchmen) deeply. He is the master of bovine feces.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2965837]No doubt a baby like Hunter would be singing like a canary within a day.
After the first 3 minutes of obligatory Trump bashing, Jon Stewart actually roasted Hunter, Joe, and the Dems pretty well here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5BcIHPMAHw[/URL].
What was the best line of all this crap? Yes, after saying Hunter Biden's laptop was not real, Joe Biden pardoned Hunter for what was on the laptop.
Yes, Hunter was pardoned for the time he "may have committed" crimes with his Ukraine connections. Any apologies coming Trump's way now for that bogus Ukraine impeachment? Any link between the crimes Hunter "may have committed" in Ukraine and the idiotic Ukraine war, Dems, hmmm?
And why are we supposed to hate Putin again?
The latest parondgate fiasco is here. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fauci-schiff-and-cheney-may-receive-preemptive-pardons[/URL].
Among those discussed for potential pardons are high-profile figures like Senator-elect Adam Schiff (D-CA), former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), and Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Their justification is that Trump will seek retribution, with their concerns growing more urgent following Trump's announcement last weekend appointing Kash Patel as FBI director. Patel, a staunch ally of Trump, has vowed to pursue the former president's critics, heightening concerns among Biden aides about possible investigations or indictments against officials who have opposed Trump in the past.
What are Dems so afraid of? Don't these people and Hunter have nothing to fear if they did not break the law? Or are they afraid that prosecutors can tun an allegedly incorrect expense entry into a crime? Why that would mean you could literally make up the law on your own and then claim someone was breaking it. Thing is I do not think you need to invent new laws. If January 6 was allegedly an interference into government function, WTF do you call Russiagate? Or the pandemic?
The biggest lie, one Xpartan just told, was that Trump has anything to do with Hunter. Hunter was convicted by Biden's own DOJ making his pardoning his son all that much worse. Why are you wasting your time with a prosecution if you are just going to pardon Hunter later? Did you really think he was innocent or did you think you could bully a jury into saying he was innocent? In any other case where someone is that fucking guilty, they take a plea deal.
Hopefully, this is the last we hear with Loony Tooms, Soy Boy Spidy the swamp creature, and Xpartan the war hawk on rule of law. What makes them such Democratic douches is they monger like crazy and swear up and down they are law abiding citizens.[/QUOTE]What makes them such Democratic douches is they monger like crazy and swear up and down they are law abiding citizens.
Text of the Email That Pete Hegseth's Mother Sent Him. ". You are an abuser of women, that is the ugly truth, and I've no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around and uses women for his own power and ego, you are that man and have been for years. And as your mother it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth. You're abuse over the years to women (dishonesty, sleeping around, betrayal, debasing, belittling) needs to be called out. On behalf of all the women (and I know it's many) you have abused in some way, I say. Get some help and take an honest look at yourself. You are an abuser of women. ".
I know a couple Mongers in this thread personally have fucked several hundred and some thousands of putas.
But they agree with Blue haired Spidys posting this lolololol.
I consider this NYT email A True Badge of Honor.
Hegeseth for President 2028.
This guy has way less baggage than Grab them by the Pussy, Our Lord and Savior and he was just elected for the 3rd time in Spidys Roevember no less ROTFLMMFAO!
May all cucks for the Indian Whoor drink some Drano ala Bette.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/11/05/disneys-hocus-pocus-2-star-bette-midler-suggests-drinking-drano-if-trump-wins/[/URL]
Another unfiltered, proud and loud MDS MAGA Trump wish is in the works:
[B]GOP and Musk unveil a threat to Social Security[/B]
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-12-03/column-musk-and-the-gop-unveil-an-attack-on-social-security-based-on-lies[/URL]
[QUOTE]You may have been tempted to believe Donald Trump when he swore, along with some of his Republican colleagues, to protect Social Security. If so, the joke may be on you.
That concern emerged Monday when Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) uncorked a tweet thread on X labeling Social Security a classic bait and switch and an outdated, mismanaged system.
Twenty-three minutes after Lee posted the first of his tweets, it was retweeted by Elon Musk, who has been vested by Trump with a portfolio to root out inefficiencies in the government. Musk led his retweet with the comment "interesting thread"; if that wasnt an explicit endorsement, it matched his way of amplifying others tweets, tending to give them within the Musk-iverse.
Lees tweet thread, along with Musks apparent concurrence, serves as an outline of the arguments the GOP may use to undermine faith in Social Security, the better to soften it up for reforms that will translate into costs imposed on retirees, disabled workers and their dependents.
I recently reported on all the ways that Trump could quietly or secretly undermine his pledge to protect Social Security (see hyper-link here in the article). Lees thread and Musks apparent endorsement are different they amount to a frontal attack on the program.
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Lee said that was why he was running for the Senate, and added, Medicare and Medicaid are of the same sort. They need to be pulled up.
So here he is, right out of the box.
(See more in link)[/QUOTE]Appropriate here too:
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2966102]The stupidest take since the pandemic was Trump's fault. Anyone can cite changes races and sexes as being the difference in the election, and yet you want to cherry pick a fight against Arab Americans. Your side ran a shit campaign, and you are a cherry picking, sick racist. Why don't you admit you fucked up and admit you were wrong like a man?
In your twisted and fucked up head, the only parties who can do no wrong are God and Democrats.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/12/03/bill-maher-suggests-ending-his-hbo-show-over-return-of-trump-im-shting-my-pants/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966109]When I don t buy chinese shit products, like I would not buy US low quality for most products, compare to Western European standards.
You might get away with saying Deutschland has decent standards but I find it funny you didn't say France does LMFAO.
I'm willing you bet large money you don't zoom around FKKland In a Renault LMAO.
And what kind of phone do you own? If you don't own an American Iphone you carry a turd around in your pocket 24/7.[/QUOTE]Audi S5 V8 was not good enough for me, so I improved a lot front balance and powerful with my french brain, to go for 300 in Germany. Not a Tesla, nor a Fond, when I had a European Ford RS500 Cosworth for 25 years, I improved with 50% more powerful. My phone operator propose me so many models since years, but I answer them I refuse chinese brands, I don t want Samsung, I keep my old Sony still working. Same like in FKK, I m a high quality guy, when USA can t compete with France for quality, when I would for sure choose a Renault Megane RS, a race car with perfect balance to go fast and efficient.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2966136]I studied French one year in high school and so, as service to the membership, will translate this message. Please note the use of the word "US," to denote Frenchmen. It means the same thing as "we" or "us" and is always capitalized when referring to people of French nationality.
Trump behaves badly with women. Therefore, he is crazy, shameful, and has a small penis. He and Vladimir Putin are brothers. I won't greet him if he comes to France by placing my cheek against his and making a smacking sound with my lips. I love Russia. Ukrainians and Russians are brothers. I will always support Ukrainians, Vladimir Putin, Palestinians, criminals and Netanyahu in their struggle to get their own homeland and live together in peace. We (the French) know so little about the outside world, but we do understand money. We are less than 5% of the population and very scared of China. I don't buy feces from China. And I do not buy feces from the USA either, as it's low quality. Western Europe has the highest standards for feces. I'm pretty sure Trump will penetrate us (Frenchmen) deeply. He is the master of bovine feces.[/QUOTE]US mean USA. Putin and Netanyahou are criminals, when Palestinians deserve a real country, same like Israel was given to Jews. Ukraine also deserve to keep their land of course. Putin also tries to fuck now elections in Romania and Georgia when these citizens don t want him. Trump behaving like a bad clown gives so bad image for USA. This is my meaning as a citizen of the world. From Trump behavior with women, he can only be asian size, when I m really not.
Yes, even though ChristoFascist Mike is gazing in lust over a technically useless Less Than a Pink Tinkle House Majority now when it doesn't matter, starting in January, when it does matter, he will be presiding over a 1-Seat, Less Than a Pink Tinkle Repub Majority in the House where his vote, as the Speaker of the House, will presumably serve as a tie-breaker whenever the opportunity and occasion is that all of the other Repubs in the House are present, vote either Yes or No and no more than a single 1 one of them has a mind of his / her own about anything that comes up.
This is due to the fact that Donald Trump apparently barely knows anyone as Anti-America as he is and hates America enough to be slavishly devoted to his Anti-America, America-Last and To Be Crashed agenda outside of Repubs who were already elected by MAGAs for that reason and, no surprise, employees of Fux News.
[B]House GOP grapples with historically small majority.
Republicans performance in election may seem strong, but a reality check shows how closely divided Congress is.[/B]
[URL]https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/12/05/republican-majority-house-speaker-mike-johnson/[/URL]
[QUOTE]The GOP secured a 220-215 majority with final uncalled race flipping blue.
Speaker Mike Johnson assured 'bicameral cooperation' and said vacant seats would be quickly filled.
Despite past productivity struggles, House GOP believe this will improve with trifecta in place.
Speaker Mike Johnson is tasked with running a tight ship with his tiny House Republican majority. On Tuesday night, after the final uncalled race in California flipped blue, Republicans secured a 220-215 majority.
But these numbers dont tell the whole story, after President-elect Donald Trump plucked several lawmakers from Congress to fill various positions in his Cabinet.
Starting in January, Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York will serve as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and Rep. Mike Waltz of Florida as Trumps national security adviser. [B]That brings down the number to 218.
But thats not all.[/b] Former Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, who received a Cabinet nomination from Trump but later withdrew his name from consideration, said he wont return to his House seat.
[B]This brings the margin down to 217-215. The New York Times reports the Republican majority is on track to be the smallest in the lower chambers history since the Great Depression, leaving little room for infighting and defections.[/b]
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"We have nothing to spare, but all of our members know that we talked about that today, as we do constantly, that this is a team effort that weve got to all row in the same direction.
In unified government, were all on the exact same team, the speaker added. This isnt junior varsity. ... And we have to think that way and operate that way.
He promised bicameral cooperation between the House and the Senate and assured Republicans would fill the soon-to-be vacant seats. The GOP is excited to be a part of the great reform that will be welcomed by President-elect Trump, he said.[/QUOTE]Uh. Trump had a bigger MAGA House Majorty and control of the Senate for the 1st two years of his prior disastrous term. Yet he only got one lone and ridiculous Tax Cuts and Jobs Act economic legislation passed on the last working day of his first year in office that added Trillions to the deficit yet created at least a million fewer jobs with it in those below average pre Trump's Pandemic years than in the far superior previous Obama-Biden years without it.
After that his only "legislative" accomplishments were Emergency Relief Welfare Checks to American farmers and manufacturers in the throes of his failed Trade War Tariff Tax Hikes on the American Consumer and more of them sent out to damn near everyone in the country after his historically worst economic and national security decisions of all time ushered in and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic and all of the predictable deaths, economic ruin, millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, inflation and opportunistic corporate price gouging that followed.
Honestly, with Trump chipping away at the very legislative body he needs to get virtually any of his America-hating agenda passed and funded in that first critical year of his Lame Duck so-called presidency as well as his insistence on nominating Cabinet Secretaries who know fuck-all nothing about so much as the general topic and purpose of those Cabinet Departments, why it almost looks like he expects to, correction, hopes to do absolutely nothing but play lots and lots and lots of golf during that traditionally most productive year and just coast on the terrific, remarkable, Envy of the World Economy he inherited from Biden-Harris, taking undeserved credit for everything good about it along the way, but that he suckered his rabid, zero to low-information supporters into believing was the "Worst Economy Ever", with no emergency price reductions on anything so Americans can finally buy and eat an egg for the first time in 4 years. Nothing.
But I'll bet he will still manage to pass at least something that will add Trillions to the deficit yet benefit almost no one other than his already wealthy cronies.
Pretty much exactly what he did in his first term.
I would welcome much more Zelensky who fight for his country freedom than so bad image and behavior orange fat Trump who should have stayed in Florida, waiting for January and maybe Capitol to be attacked again, when I m a 100% pure french, no other blood, since Charles Martel.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966201]Putin and Netanyahou are criminals, when Palestinians deserve a real country, same like Israel was given to Jews. [/QUOTE]Correction. They used to "deserve" their country. They blew their chance in 1948. They said no, we want it all. They said we'll throw Israel into the sea. They started a war and lost it. Then another war and lost it. And another one (and lost it too). Then they turned to terrorism. When you're waging one war after another and blow people up, when you rape, torture and murder innocent civilians, when you mutilate corpses so that even their gender can't be determined, when you cut out fetuses out of the bellies of pregnant women, when you burn children and their parents alive, you lose all the fucking rights you might've had once in history. Every one of them.
Tough fucking luck.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966199]Audi S5 V8 was not good enough for me, so I improved a lot front balance and powerful with my french brain, to go for 300 in Germany. Not a Tesla, nor a Fond, when I had a European Ford RS500 Cosworth for 25 years, I improved with 50% more powerful. My phone operator propose me so many models since years, but I answer them I refuse chinese brands, I don t want Samsung, I keep my old Sony still working. Same like in FKK, I m a high quality guy, when USA can t compete with France for quality, when I would for sure choose a Renault Megane RS, a race car with perfect balance to go fast and efficient.[/QUOTE]Especially the US military, if not for us you would be speaking Deutsch LMFAO.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966199]Audi S5 V8 was not good enough for me, so I improved a lot front balance and powerful with my french brain, to go for 300 in Germany. Not a Tesla, nor a Fond, when I had a European Ford RS500 Cosworth for 25 years, I improved with 50% more powerful. My phone operator propose me so many models since years, but I answer them I refuse chinese brands, I don t want Samsung, I keep my old Sony still working. Same like in FKK, I m a high quality guy, when USA can t compete with France for quality, when I would for sure choose a Renault Megane RS, a race car with perfect balance to go fast and efficient.[/QUOTE]But I don't think an Audi S5 can do 300 km I have been on the Autobahn many times, near Dusseldorf and see cars blow by in that left lane doing at least 300 km and I seriously doubt any are Audi S8's.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966201]US mean USA. Putin and Netanyahou are criminals, when Palestinians deserve a real country, same like Israel was given to Jews. Ukraine also deserve to keep their land of course. Putin also tries to fuck now elections in Romania and Georgia when these citizens don t want him. Trump behaving like a bad clown gives so bad image for USA. This is my meaning as a citizen of the world. From Trump behavior with women, he can only be ***** size, when I m really not.[/QUOTE]Well, you're a good sport. Please don't make fund of people with Tiny Penises. Our egos are fragile.
[QUOTE=AsianSteve22;2966043]LOL it's called sarcasm. And chicken little, FYI by US law Trump can't rule like a dictator any more than emperor Obama. I mean how much of their stuff didn't pass over their 3 terms. And make no mistake about it, Obama tried to rule like an emperor, hell everybody knows he still calls the shots for the whole party up to 2024. So much so NBC called him a bigger loser in the election than Harris.
[B]Fun fact Putin only does land grabs when democrats are in office. If people like you can't understand why tons of voters that voted for biden switched over to Trump, then you're going to keep losing with that dictator rhetoric.[/b] Treating people that consider voting for Trump like they were and at zis instead of trying to focus on why they were considering abandoning the current administration and being empathetic with their concerns probably cost your party 5 million votes. Your party managed to alienate legal Mexicans, black men, and Muslims, 3 groups whose 5-10% swing from biden to Trump decided the election. I mean how the hell does a black candidate actually do worse with blacks than a guy that voted against black kids being on integrated school busses in the 1980's and who got called out for it by said candidate that he turned around and made his VP. LOL you literally can't make any of this stuff up. Just stop with the strongman talk, the reason why Harris lost, she was a worse candidate than Trump. She had no vision, Biden had a approval rating lower than Trump's pre-covid and post- covid. She couldn't answer a legitimate, unrehearsed question, even from her friends on The View.
Tons of Democrat politicians, donors, and yes, voters have said as much. It's time to grow up and lose the strongman / dictator excuses and actually understand why she lost. People that voted for Biden; black men, Muslims and Latinos, changed their minds and put Trump over the top. He actually did better with college graduates of all races and worse with white older Americans. But keep up the dictator excuses without actually caring about the real reasons they lost and watch more GenZ voters turn red while the old GOP voters age out. I mean 40% of women under 30. Even Reagan wasn't getting that. And naturally, more people become conservative as they age and gain more life experiences. Millennials probably won't be any different as the counterculture population also became more conservative with age. GenZ is already getting there. This has to be alarming for the Democrat party, and it goes way beyond Trump, who is probably the one candidate in the republican party they should be able to beat in a general election. Independent voters (those that don't vote in primaries) will probably find people like JD Vance, Tim Scott, and Marco rubio even more easy to vote for.[/QUOTE][B]Russo-Georgian War[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]The August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Georgia[/b], was a war waged against Georgia by the Russian Federation and the Russian-backed separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The fighting took place in the strategically important South Caucasus region. [B]It is regarded as the first European war of the 21st century.[/b][/QUOTE]See how typically pro Repub Mainstream Media has kept you safe for their purposes in your zero or low-information bubble?
I'll bet none of your MAGA Trump friends who raced to the polls to vote last month had the slightest clue that the initial Putin "land grab", in fact what is regarded as the First European War of the 21st Century, occurred right under a Repub president's nose. One of those Repub establishment, Reagan-era presidents at that.
I would also bet the farm that none of your fellow MAGA Trump voters has a clue to this day that every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years occurred under a Repub president including the one in office from 2017 to 2021 and none of the Historic Economic Recoveries, Economic Expansions and Jobs Creation while all of the Great Recoveries, Economic Expansion and Historic Jobs Creation occurred under Dem presidents including the one in office from 2021 to 2025 and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction.
Which ought to matter quite a bit more to most of them than Putin's "land grabs" that started under Repub President GW Bush.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966235]I would welcome much more Zelensky who fight for his country freedom than so bad image and behavior orange fat Trump who should have stayed in Florida, waiting for January and maybe Capitol to be attacked again, when I m a 100% pure french, no other blood, since Charles Martel.[/QUOTE]You clearly have more respect for and goodwill toward The United States of America and everything good it has ever stood for than any MAGA / Trump voters ever had.
If less than about 115,000 voters spread across just three decisive states with your well-informed understanding of what was at stake had decided to punch their ballot for Harris instead of Trump last month, America and its allies would be looking at a much brighter future right now.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2966302]Well, you're a good sport. Please don't make fund of people with Tiny Penises. Our egos are fragile.[/QUOTE]Size or sexual power with women often explain men s behavior with women who are our mothers or sisters or grannies. Trump seems so frustrated about women, when I love them, full confident from what I m able with them. Is Trump with is shameful behavior, but religious? To come to France to go to church. Dark point in our cathedral.
You cannot trust anything a dumbocrat says because the mainstream media is lying to them 24/7. Look at how Trump won by a landslide. And they were saying how close the election was. Dummies all.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966293]Correction. They used to "deserve" their country. They blew their chance in 1948. They said no, we want it all. They said we'll throw Israel into the sea. They started a war and lost it. Then another war and lost it. And another one (and lost it too). Then they turned to terrorism. When you're waging one war after another and blow people up, when you rape, torture and murder innocent civilians, when you mutilate corpses so that even their gender can't be determined, when you cut out fetuses out of the bellies of pregnant women, when you burn children and their parents alive, you lose all the fucking rights you might've had once in history. Every one of them.
Tough fucking luck.[/QUOTE]For once you're correct, I love My Dearest Vladimir!!
[QUOTE=DCups;2966334]You cannot trust anything a dumbocrat says because the mainstream media is lying to them 24/7. Look at how Trump won by a landslide. And they were saying how close the election was. Dummies all.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/11/01/us-news/election-guru-nate-silver-accuses-pollsters-of-putting-finger-on-the-scale-lying-to-keep-presidential-race-close/[/URL]
I posted this when he said it.
And Bangkok Bob screamed BULLSHIT.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966299]Especially the US military, if not for us you would be speaking Deutsch LMFAO.[/QUOTE]Problem is not USA nor even Republicans, but too many people are no brained to elect again Trump who fuck your constitution and Capitol. Except Dodge charger V8 , I would prefer french cars with higher building quality standards, even Stellantis have problems on some engines, but Mercedes Benz used Renault engines.
[QUOTE=DCups;2966334]You cannot trust anything a dumbocrat says because the mainstream media is lying to them 24/7. Look at how Trump won by a landslide. And they were saying how close the election was. Dummies all.[/QUOTE]Ever since Trump sent that dude out there to grandly announce that Trump's 2017 Inaugural crowd was "the largest ever", Democrats have been stubbornly resistant to falling for any of the 30,000+ other blatantly obvious lies he shovels down his MAGA suckers' throats as they swallow every putrid drop with gusto.
[QUOTE=DCups;2966334]You cannot trust anything a dumbocrat says because the mainstream media is lying to them 24/7. Look at how [b]Trump won by a landslide[/b]. And they were saying how close the election was. Dummies all.[/QUOTE]Remind me: what was your LAS numbers again?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2966325]You clearly have more respect for and goodwill toward The United States of America and everything good it has ever stood for than any MAGA / Trump voters ever had.
If less than about 115,000 voters spread across just three decisive states with your well-informed understanding of what was at stake had decided to punch their ballot for Harris instead of Trump last month, America and its allies would be looking at a much brighter future right now.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Harris lost all swinging states Biden had succeeded, quite weird. For our world, rather than what ask old senile fat Trump not knowing more than his Floridian golf, Russians should follow Syria example and get rid of Putin. This is time, when Russia lost power, they couldn't even help Al Assad and since nearly 3 years, were not able, fortunately, to defeat very weak Ukraine but who have balls to be able to defend versus big Russia. Get rid of Putin and stay home Trump when You are only good example for obesity in US.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966300]But I don't think an Audi S5 can do 300 km I have been on the Autobahn many times, near Dusseldorf and see cars blow by in that left lane doing at least 300 km and I seriously doubt any are Audi S8's.[/QUOTE]Audi S5 V8 4. 2 32 valves is 354 power and 278 km / h with speed limit off, what I asked when I bought. When I m used to clean German autobahns almost weekly from Paris, as I wrote, I improved front drive and engine with now about 440 power, for aiming 300 km / h. I doubt You saw cars faster than 300 , when most Germans are lower than 150 km / h. On 2 lines, impossible to be more than 150 km / h faster than others, too dangerous. I tested with a truck which should be less than 100 , overtaking at 255 km / h, for that I stuck to left barreer and what a shock and noice on right window when I passed the big truck. For 300 which is much more difficult than 250 or even 275 , need at least 3 lines and one free between such speed and others, when so big difference, but I work hard to improve Audi, to pass 300 on GPS speed. This is European quality I m used to. I would also feel more safe in Airbus than in a US Boeing. Also french hands made Bugatti.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966293]Correction. They used to "deserve" their country. They blew their chance in 1948. They said no, we want it all. They said we'll throw Israel into the sea. They started a war and lost it. Then another war and lost it. And another one (and lost it too). Then they turned to terrorism. When you're waging one war after another and blow people up, when you rape, torture and murder innocent civilians, when you mutilate corpses so that even their gender can't be determined, when you cut out fetuses out of the bellies of pregnant women, when you burn children and their parents alive, you lose all the fucking rights you might've had once in history. Every one of them.
Tough fucking luck.[/QUOTE]Putin and Netanyahou are criminals and when war will stop around Israel, now new problem with new Syria, he will have big problems in Israel. Blind Russians have to wake up and get rid of Putin and then they will have a much better life, rather than 800000 dead.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966293]Correction. They used to "deserve" their country. They blew their chance in 1948. They said no, we want it all. They said we'll throw Israel into the sea. They started a war and lost it. Then another war and lost it. And another one (and lost it too). Then they turned to terrorism. When you're waging one war after another and blow people up, when you rape, torture and murder innocent civilians, when you mutilate corpses so that even their gender can't be determined, when you cut out fetuses out of the bellies of pregnant women, when you burn children and their parents alive, you lose all the fucking rights you might've had once in history. Every one of them.
Tough fucking luck.[/QUOTE]When most Palestinians are so poor, easy for Hamas to make them becoming martyrs for Islam, but give them a real country for a good life, same like Israel, and Hamas will lose power to find terrorists. Most Palestinians are not terrorists, but desperate to try to survive.
In USA, even I would vote for democrats for health insurance for everybody, at least all those working and their family wife and children, but I don t care much if Democrats or Republicans when not my country, but always bullshiting senile fat Trump is not good for a peaceful world. Same like Putin and Netanyahou. I m afraid Ukraine should not be helped much by Trump, when Putin already stole Crimea and try now for Georgia Caucase and even Romania. Dombas is a bit complex, when mix of Russians and Ukrainians, but no reason to be stolen by Putin. Maybe fair elections? Not fucked by Putin, to decide, under United Nations control, when Putin make noise like a dog with postman, but even numerous, but his army is weak. Obvious after almost 3 years versus very weak, but very courageous Ukraine.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966403]
[b]All Fake polls from the Fake News[/b]
[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/11/01/us-news/election-guru-nate-silver-accuses-pollsters-of-putting-finger-on-the-scale-lying-to-keep-presidential-race-close/[/URL]
I posted this when he said it.
And Bangkok Bob screamed BULLSHIT.[/QUOTE]The vote counting done by Cook Political Reports, CNN, AP, NBC, etc has nothing to do with polls.
As of this writing, the count results for the national popular vote and, most importantly, for the only three Battleground / Swing States that determined whether Trump or Harris would be President-elect today are as follows:
Had less than 115,000 votes for Trump spread across those three States, PA, MI and WI, gone to Harris instead, Harris would be President-elect today instead of Trump.
Trump did not with the majority of the popular vote.
Trump won hundreds of thousands of votes less vs Harris than Clinton won MORE than Trump in 2016. And she LOST! LOL.
Trump won roughly a 1. 5 percentage point more of the popular vote than Harris and about that same amount or less across those three decisive Battleground / Swing States, where much if not most of their campaigning and ad spending took place.
However, on the polls, the consensus of polls was as accurate if not more so as they have ever been. Days before the election, they showed that the race was within a normal +/-MoE for either Trump or Harris to win and that is exactly what the final election result was.
BTW, from your link;.
[QUOTE]His scorn also extended to all these GOP-leaning firms showing the former president narrowly ahead each time to project that theyre not going out too far on a limb.[/QUOTE]Lolol. I laughed at your "Fake polls" rant then for the same reason I laugh at it now. Nate Silver was slamming Fake Trump-leaning polls trying to keep it closer than it was at the time, not supposedly Harris-leaning polls.
And in the end, unless those Trump-leaning polls had inside information on what less than. 115,000 angry Netanyahu-hating Muslims in PA, MI and WI would decide to do on November 5th as they shouted "Allahu Akbar" and sailed into those states' polling places, then Nate Silver was right; those Fake Trump-leaning polls were putting their fingers on the scale for their boy.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966466]Unfortunately, Harris lost all swinging states Biden had succeeded, quite weird. For our world, rather than what ask old senile fat Trump not knowing more than his Floridian golf, Russians should follow Syria example and get rid of Putin. This is time, when Russia lost power, they couldn't even help Al Assad and since nearly 3 years, were not able, fortunately, to defeat very weak Ukraine but who have balls to be able to defend versus big Russia. Get rid of Putin and stay home Trump when You are only good example for obesity in US.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/briefing/syria-rebels-tiktok-us-ban-appeals-court.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/08/world/middleeast/irans-syria-axis-of-resistance.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966468]Audi S5 V8 4. 2 32 valves is 354 power and 278 km / h with speed limit off, what I asked when I bought. When I m used to clean German autobahns almost weekly from Paris, as I wrote, I improved front drive and engine with now about 440 power, for aiming 300 km / h. I doubt You saw cars faster than 300 , when most Germans are lower than 150 km / h. On 2 lines, impossible to be more than 150 km / h faster than others, too dangerous. I tested with a truck which should be less than 100 , overtaking at 255 km / h, for that I stuck to left barreer and what a shock and noice on right window when I passed the big truck. For 300 which is much more difficult than 250 or even 275 , need at least 3 lines and one free between such speed and others, when so big difference, but I work hard to improve Audi, to pass 300 on GPS speed. This is European quality I m used to. I would also feel more safe in Airbus than in a US Boeing. Also french hands made Bugatti.[/QUOTE]Driving in the center lane on the Autobahns around 160 km you can guess the speed of a larger passing car it makes your car move like a strong wind.
I have seen that happen many times only to surmise they must be going around 300 km or more? I couldn't see what kind of car it was just a blur but usually black).
I have driven up to 240 km on US highways many times so I do have a decent reference point not to mention I know how fast I was going when these maniacs would literally fly by and scare the shit out of me!!
They drive like this in Russia also, without the Autobahns, stay off the roads in Russia at night espec late on Friday and Saturday nights.
You wrote Mercedes uses some Renault engines LOL that is why the Mercedes brand is falling lololol.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966466]Unfortunately, Harris lost all swinging states Biden had succeeded, quite weird. For our world, rather than what ask old senile fat Trump not knowing more than his Floridian golf, Russians should follow Syria example and get rid of Putin. This is time, when Russia lost power, they couldn't even help Al Assad and since nearly 3 years, were not able, fortunately, to defeat very weak Ukraine but who have balls to be able to defend versus big Russia. Get rid of Putin and stay home Trump when You are only good example for obesity in US.[/QUOTE]Oprah sends a big thanks to you Cucks that sent her money LOLOLOL.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/james-carville-kamala-harris-donald-trump/2024/11/11/id/1187596/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2024-11-15/trump-harris-and-musk-how-money-did-and-didnt-affect-the-election[/URL]
Hamas decimated. Hezbollah decimated. Assad overthrown. Iran on the back foot. Putin bogged down in Ukraine. At least there's good news emanating from other parts of the world!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966510]Putin and Netanyahou are criminals and when war will stop around Israel, now new problem with new Syria, he will have big problems in Israel. Blind Russians have to wake up and get rid of Putin and then they will have a much better life, rather than 800000 dead.[/QUOTE]Netanyahu might be a criminal, but, like you said, Israel will deal with him when the time comes. Just like you don't compare a pickpoket with a serial killer, you don't compare Netanyahu with Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot or Putin. That's just dumb, anti-Semitic or both.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2965884] In this case of Gaetz, the reason were the witnesses against him were unreliable, scummy people engaged in criminal activity. [/QUOTE]
The lawyer, Joel Leppard, who represented the two main young women, in the Matt Gaetz, House Ethics committee investigation, was very clear that, his clients testimonies had been very credible and had been verified by several other "party goers". Gaetz, knew this and made his withdrawal.
His withdrawal, definitely, was a sign of apparent guilt. I would have loved, to have seen, Matt Gaetz fight these alleged charges and make his case. But the reality is, he knew full well his history of such behavior was never going to pass muster, from a Senate hearing, who no doubt would be taking into account the findings from the House Ethics Committee report on his criminal deviant behavior and the very credible and damning testimonies from the those young women victims and witnesses.
House Repubs, block release of Gaetz Ethics Report, but the House Ethics committee (currently deadlocked), could still release the report, in a future Ethics Committee reincarnation, barring time restrictions (or statues of limitations) on some of the allegations. Which could suggest that elements of the report may contain criminal or civil prosecution?
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2965884] Gaetz and Hegseth were investigated and not charged. [/QUOTE]
Not charged, but still guilty as fuck! But if he/they are so innocent, why not defend your case, and "have your day in court" or "face the music", as it were and prove your innocence, like Hunter Biden? No he ran, like a bitoch to Trump for a pardon [i][b](...kkkk)[/b][/i]
Pity though, as I was so looking forward to pedo Gaetz, trying to talk himself, free and clear of such allegations, in highly televised Senate Confirmation Hearing.
However, if Hegseth does make it to a Senate Confirmation Hearing, is should be very interesting, how Hegseth, paid huge sums of money to make his sexual criminal conduct disappear, w/r to an NDA and the woman in the sexual rape case against him.
Let's not forget Hegseth's habitual intoxication and drunken stupors, drunken inappropriate groping of women workmates and drunken cries of "Kill all Muslims". Because naturally, you Elvis 2008 and Tiny 12, love defending and sympathizing with such deviant behavior, but Hunter Biden's dick pics and lying on a gun application (which should have a "slap on the wrist" offense), is somehow worse? [i][b](...kkkk)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965963][B]Muslim voters once abandoned the GOP. Now they may leave the Democrats.
Anger about Gaza helped Donald Trump win the most Arab American city in the country, while support for Kamala Harris was cut in half.
Nov. 10, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/muslim-voters-abandoned-gop-now-may-leave-democrats-rcna179304[/URL]
Why do you doubt your lord and savior about this and now suddenly side with James 'Carnival'?
BTW, the numbers can not be refuted by anyone; less than a 115,000 vote swing from Harris to Trump or Trump to Harris spread over just three significantly Muslim-demo battleground / swing states would have and did decide the outcome of the presidential election, the exact states where Trump's new favorite political activist organization, Muslims for Trump, mobilized their anti-Biden-Harris ground game in order to "give him the presidency. ".
Has it not yet occurred to you that there is NO FUTURE JOB AND INCOME OPPORTUNITY for 'Carnival', Penn, Morris, et al to simply admit Harris or any other Dem candidate should have worked harder to explain how stupid and sure to be regretted the reasoning was behind any Muslims ever voting for Trump rather than blaming it on a vast array of complex Total Party issues that they and only they are brilliant enough to overhaul from top to bottom?.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opinion/democrats-identity-politics.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-defeat-democrats.html[/URL]
If anyone can find a passage in this blithering, blathering, incoherent nonsense from Trump in this first post-Squeaker Handful of a Muslim Jihad Against America Election interview that suggests in any way that Trump is informed, intelligent, prepared and fit to serve as anything except perhaps as Liar-in-Chief for a Con Man Clinic, you deserve a cookie:
[B]Read the full transcript: President-elect Donald Trump interviewed by "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker.
Trump spoke with NBC News for more than an hour in an interview that covered a range of topics.
Dec. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-interview-meet-press-kristen-welker-election-president-rcna182857[/URL]
I am telling you his only "plan" is to bluster, blather and complain for the next four years, coast on the terrific, Envy of the World Biden-Harris Economy he will inherit and play lots and lots and lots of golf, exactly as he did the first time around with the terrific Obama-Biden economy he inherited. And he will do that until he recognizes and seizes upon the opportunity to usher in and exacerbate another "Once in 100 Years Disaster" that only happen under Repub presidents and never under Dem presidents to exploit and blame on everyone else.
Whatever stray legislation or Executive Order he proposes and sticks will most certainly turn out to be a colossal addition to the deficit producing virtually no perceivable benefit to anyone but his already wealthy cronies.
He is the Unsolvable Mythical Grievances President for the Unsolvable Mythical Grievances MAGA Repub Party, a true modern-day blight and menace to economic success, national security and democratic freedom.
To the relative handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims in PA, MI and WI who "gave Trump the presidency" and the similarly-motivated MAGA Repubs around the country who squeaked out a razor-thin Plurality of the vote for him this time around, The Kremlin thanks you.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2965919] Respectfully maybe we should stop replying to Spidy. Anybody with half a brain knows the accusations he's leveling at you and me about p**** are ridiculous. However
it may just get us in trouble with Admin, and that kind of behavior is against the ISG code of honor.. So perhaps better to discuss other topics. "Don't feed the troll." [/QUOTE]
What as Matt Gaetz sympathizers? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
"TROLLING", is this your way of showing defeat and ignominiously bowing out the debate? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
Tiny 12, just because another ISGer, provides substantiated counterpoints, different POVs and arguments to your bothsider, neithersider rhetoric and your winger propaganda, doesn't mean that ISGer is a "TROLL".
If you're so thin skinned, or your delicate sensibilities have been hurt, in what you see as [i][b]"TROLLING",[/b][/i] because other ISGers has challenged your rhetoric, with valid credible counterpoints to your arguments, perhaps we can all petition Admin, on your soft sensitive emotional behalf, to have them rename the forum to, [i]"Stupid Trolling in American Politics"? [/i] If you still think, we're all just "trolling" one another here?
BTW, you may want also consider, your own fraudulent, creepy and cringe-worthy behavior, [i][b]as "TROLLING",[/b][/i] when you disrespect and change another ISGers post, by inserting your own twisted hyperbole, into a quote they never wrote. Now that's "TROLLING"!
So Yeah...Tiny 12, if you or Elvis 2008, choose not to respond to my post, I promise you, I won't lose any sleep over it! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
But you're NOT fooling anyone, by calling another ISGer, who challenges your debating rhetoric, with valid and credible counterpoints, as "TROLLING".
While you and Elvis 2008, have made your feelings clear about the candidacy of Matt Gaetz (or Pete Hegseth) for office with your sympathizing posts, about their alleged criminal behavior and sexual misconduct, being OKAY for office, I will continue to argue with counterpoints to their nomination and disqualification. Especially when you guys make such ludicrous comparisons with that of Hunter Biden, when in fact their criminal sexual behavior is more aligned and akin to the likes of pedo Jeffery Epstein.
You know all to well, that's just "weak sauce" from any so called debater. But, by all means, [u]you Tiny 12, DO NOT NEED TO RESPOND to my debate arguments[/u], as I have chosen many times, not to respond to your (or Elvis 2008's) rhetoric, [B]WITHOUT[/b] fanfare and hyperbole.
And BTW, while I might call your post or Elvis 2008's posts something else, [b]like Gish Gallop[/b], a term use by a wonderful journalist, to aptly describe "Trump speak", I wouldn't necessarily call what you guys post in this America Politics forum, as "TROLLING". Well at least not yet!
So see ya, in the NEXT debate...OR NOT!
[b]PS:[/b][INDENT]BTW, I do NOT consider it as "TROLLING", when YOU always feel the need in a debate to, [b][i]"get in the last word",[/b][/i] or argue every point feverishly, and exhibit a strange compulsion to desperately be the last one posting at nights, to the this forum or the [i]Stupid Shit in Kyiv[/i] forum, as if to put your "stamp" on the debate, as "winning", because you got in, "the last word of the day"...right!
So while others may see such behavior, as "TROLLING" or creepy, [u]I definitely DO NOT![/u]. I know, it's just you, having the joy and love for the sport of debate, when providing your rhetoric, POVs and counterpoints, in a seemingly healthy, debate or exchange of opposing ideas...right![/INDENT]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966575]Netanyahu might be a criminal, but, like you said, Israel will deal with him when the time comes. Just like you don't compare a pickpoket with a serial killer, you don't compare Netanyahu with Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot or Putin. That's just dumb, anti-Semitic or both.[/QUOTE]As you very well know their sovereignty was threatened, so lay off the LAME ASS bullshit, or we shall start calling you Xpartan Bob.
[URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-francis-nato-cause-ukraine-invasion-russia/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2966618]What as Matt Gaetz sympathizers? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
"TROLLING", is this your way of showing defeat and ignominiously bowing out the debate? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
Tiny 12, just because another ISGer, provides substantiated counterpoints, different POVs and arguments to your bothsider, neithersider rhetoric and your winger propaganda, doesn't mean that ISGer is a "TROLL".
If you're so thin skinned, or your delicate sensibilities have been hurt, in what you see as [i][b]"TROLLING",[/b][/i] because other ISGers has challenged your rhetoric, with valid credible counterpoints to your arguments, perhaps we can all petition Admin, on your soft sensitive emotional behalf, to have them rename the forum to, [i]"Stupid Trolling in American Politics"? [/i] If you still think, we're all just "trolling" one another here?
BTW, you may want also consider, your own fraudulent, creepy and cringe-worthy behavior, [i][b]as "TROLLING",[/b][/i] when you disrespect and change another ISGers post, by inserting your own twisted hyperbole, into a quote they never wrote. Now that's "TROLLING"!
So Yeah...Tiny 12, if you or Elvis 2008, choose not to respond to my post, I promise you, I won't lose any sleep over it! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
But you're NOT fooling anyone, by calling another ISGer, who challenges your debating rhetoric, with valid and credible counterpoints, as "TROLLING".
While you and Elvis 2008, have made your feelings clear about the candidacy of Matt Gaetz (or Pete Hegseth) for office with your sympathizing posts, about their alleged criminal behavior and sexual misconduct, being OKAY for office, I will continue to argue with counterpoints to their nomination and disqualification. Especially when you guys make such ludicrous comparisons with that of Hunter Biden, when in fact their criminal sexual behavior is more aligned and akin to the likes of pedo Jeffery Epstein.
You know all to well, that's just "weak sauce" from any so called debater. But, by all means, [u]you Tiny 12, DO NOT NEED TO RESPOND to my debate arguments[/u], as I have chosen many times, not to respond to your (or Elvis 2008's) rhetoric, [B]WITHOUT[/b] fanfare and hyperbole.
And BTW, while I might call your post or Elvis 2008's posts something else, [b]like Gish Gallop[/b], a term use by a wonderful journalist, to aptly describe "Trump speak", I wouldn't necessarily call what you guys post in this America Politics forum, as "TROLLING". Well at least not yet!
So see ya, in the NEXT debate...OR NOT!
[b]PS:[/b][INDENT]BTW, I do NOT consider it as "TROLLING", when YOU always feel the need in a debate to, [b][i]"get in the last word",[/b][/i] or argue every point feverishly, and exhibit a strange compulsion to desperately be the last one posting at nights, to the this forum or the [i]Stupid Shit in Kyiv[/i] forum, as if to put your "stamp" on the debate, as "winning", because you got in, "the last word of the day"...right!
So while others may see such behavior, as "TROLLING" or creepy, [u]I definitely DO NOT![/u]. I know, it's just you, having the joy and love for the sport of debate, when providing your rhetoric, POVs and counterpoints, in a seemingly healthy, debate or exchange of opposing ideas...right![/INDENT][/QUOTE]Spidy, I am simply referring to references to p********* and the untrue accusation that Elvis and I defend and sympathize with p********s. As to a code of honor, it means that ISG'ers don't engage in that type of behavior. That is, we're not p********s.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2966633]Spidy, I am simply referring to references to p********* and the untrue accusation that Elvis and I defend and sympathize with p********s. As to a code of honor, it means that ISG'ers don't engage in that type of behavior. That is, we're not p********s.[/QUOTE]A classic case of projecting, reminds me of those politicians or clerics we see from time to time on the television constantly screaming about the evils of homosexuality, until of course they.
Are arrested for lewd behavior in public for visiting glory holes in books stores or man on man fellatio in public washrooms etcetera etcetera.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2966570]Hamas decimated. Hezbollah decimated. Assad overthrown. Iran on the back foot. Putin bogged down in Ukraine. At least there's good news emanating from other parts of the world![/QUOTE]As long Palestinians will live in misery, Hamas will exist and find martyrs. Nobody knows what will become Syria and Israel worry on Golan. Unfortunately, Russians are inside Ukraine when not their country. We are far from peace and I doubt Trump will help, because he knows nothing out of his golf.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966575]Netanyahu might be a criminal, but, like you said, Israel will deal with him when the time comes. Just like you don't compare a pickpoket with a serial killer, you don't compare Netanyahu with Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot or Putin. That's just dumb, anti-Semitic or both.[/QUOTE]Netanyahou makes his war for his interest, but he will kill many Jews all over the world, when Muslims support Palestinians, but same like Putin with Russians, he only works his craziness and don t care if many dead from his war. Give a country to Palestinians, when Israel was given to Jews, then Hamas should lose power. I know USA have big interests with Israel and Jews, must Muslims are more numerous.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2966633]Spidy, I am simply referring to references to p********* and the untrue accusation that Elvis and I defend and sympathize with p********s. As to a code of honor, it means that ISG'ers don't engage in that type of behavior. That is, we're not p********s.[/QUOTE]
[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Clearly you need to brush up on your definition of the word sympathizer and how I'm applying it, despite any pretext, you're desperately trying to cling to!
Tell me Tiny 12, if I say [i][b]"You're a Putin/Russian sympathizer...",[/b] does that mean you're a murderous Russian thug and war criminal?[/i]
Let NOT get it twisted, alright!
The association of being a "Matt Gaetz sympathizer", is more about, how could you guys support and in some cases celebrate, the morally bad behavior and judgment, shown by Gaetz (and also from Trump, an absence and lack of a vetting process), given his history of sexual misconduct, to be even remotely, be considered for the position of AG? I think it was all just a bad joke!
Gaetz's withdrawal, was a clear signal that the substantiate damning evidence, gathered by the House Ethics Committee (despite the corrupt Repub Florida AG turning a blind eye, like they did with Jeffery Epstein), was going to sink his nomination anyways.
Point is, if he's so innocent of these allegations and worthy of office, like you guys think he is, then I would have loved to see him "face the music" and clear things up for us all. But instead, he ran to Trump for a pardon, like a bitoch!
It would seem, that in the end as it turns out, it was nothing more than a barfed up bad sadistic joke, that Trump ran, probably while taking a shit, to watch Gaetz squirm and grovel for a while. I'm thinking, it'll be the same bad joke for Hegseth.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966532]Driving in the center lane on the Autobahns around 160 km you can guess the speed of a larger passing car it makes your car move like a strong wind.
I have seen that happen many times only to surmise they must be going around 300 km or more? I couldn't see what kind of car it was just a blur but usually black).
I have driven up to 240 km on US highways many times so I do have a decent reference point not to mention I know how fast I was going when these maniacs would literally fly by and scare the shit out of me!!
They drive like this in Russia also, without the Autobahns, stay off the roads in Russia at night espec late on Friday and Saturday nights.
You wrote Mercedes uses some Renault engines LOL that is why the Mercedes brand is falling lololol.[/QUOTE]If you drove 160 km / h on center line, then you were never passed at 300 km / h, less than 2 meters on your left, or you would have finished on right line and the other car in left barreer, from the air shock. German agreement is to limit German cars except Porsche and few models, to 250 km / h, but easy to put off speed limit, but I never see cars faster than 270 and there is a huge difference to reach 300 , when not many cars can reach and even less drivers. Biggest problem is not the speed, when you can become used to, but 150 km / h for difference is more difficult in traffic.
[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2966657]A classic case of projecting, reminds me of those politicians or clerics we see from time to time on the television constantly screaming about the evils of homosexuality, until of course they.
Are arrested for lewd behavior in public for visiting glory holes in books stores or man on man fellatio in public washrooms etcetera etcetera.[/QUOTE]More likely it's ignorance. He may not understand what the word really means.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966695]As long Palestinians will live in misery, Hamas will exist and find martyrs.[/QUOTE]You might not be able to kill an ideology, but you can kill those who hold said ideology. So if one of them wants to be martyred? Wish granted!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966631]As you very well know their sovereignty was threatened, so lay off the LAME ASS bullshit, or we shall start calling you Xpartan Bob.
[URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-francis-nato-cause-ukraine-invasion-russia/[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh, "Pope Francis said," huh. LOL, didn't see that coming.
Now you went ahead and found another dude as delusional as you are.
Good job!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2966617]If anyone can find a passage in this blithering, blathering, incoherent nonsense from Trump in this first post-Squeaker Handful of a Muslim Jihad Against America Election interview that suggests in any way that Trump is informed, intelligent, prepared and fit to serve as anything except perhaps as Liar-in-Chief for a Con Man Clinic, you deserve a cookie:
[B]Read the full transcript: President-elect Donald Trump interviewed by "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker.
Trump spoke with NBC News for more than an hour in an interview that covered a range of topics.
Dec. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-interview-meet-press-kristen-welker-election-president-rcna182857[/URL]
I am telling you his only "plan" is to bluster, blather and complain for the next four years, coast on the terrific, Envy of the World Biden-Harris Economy he will inherit and play lots and lots and lots of golf, exactly as he did the first time around with the terrific Obama-Biden economy he inherited. And he will do that until he recognizes and seizes upon the opportunity to usher in and exacerbate another "Once in 100 Years Disaster" that only happen under Repub presidents and never under Dem presidents to exploit and blame on everyone else.
Whatever stray legislation or Executive Order he proposes and sticks will most certainly turn out to be a colossal addition to the deficit producing virtually no perceivable benefit to anyone but his already wealthy cronies.
He is the Unsolvable Mythical Grievances President for the Unsolvable Mythical Grievances MAGA Repub Party, a true modern-day blight and menace to economic success, national security and democratic freedom.
To the relative handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims in PA, MI and WI who "gave Trump the presidency" and the similarly-motivated MAGA Repubs around the country who squeaked out a razor-thin Plurality of the vote for him this time around, The Kremlin thanks you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/us/elections/chinese-americans-conservative-trump.html[/URL]
The Freedom-Fighter Syrian rebels who just ousted their Authoritarian Dictator, Assad, saw the writing on the wall; With Trump and his Cabinet picks fulfilling MAGA and, specifically, the handful of angry Muslims' wishes to "win the presidency", it was an absolute certainty that Assad's primary sponsors, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, were going to go from their current position of weakness to a full recovery and resurgence of unprecedented power soon after 12 Noon on January 20,2025.
Therefore, they knew time was of the essence. They had to make their move to battle for and win the Freedom for their country this month that MAGAs and angry Muslims were so enthusiastic to give up in America last month:
[B]Toppling of Assad transforms Middle East after year of chaos.
Dec. 10, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.axios.com/2024/12/09/syria-assad-russia-iran-hezbollah-israel[/URL]
[QUOTE]Both President Biden and President-elect Trump and many spies, diplomats and defense officials personally involved in the tumultuous events of the last year agree that Assad was doomed by the weakening of his allies, Russia and Iran.
............
Hezbollah: Iran's most armed and trained proxy lost its charismatic and powerful leader, Hassan Nasrallah, in an Israeli airstrike. Hezbollah's military infrastructure has been significantly degraded, and the Lebanese group agreed to a ceasefire with Israel last month under extremely unfavorable terms.
............
Russia, whose 2015 intervention saved Assad and helped inflict mass suffering on the Syrian people, has been bogged down by the war in Ukraine for nearly three years.
................
The disintegration of Assad's military forces and his own decision to flee the country has delivered a devastating strategic blow to his allies.
Iran and Hezbollah, which both intervened to prop up the Assad regime after the 2011 Syrian revolution, quickly evacuated hundreds of their people as rebels were sweeping across Syria at lightning speed last week.
Both have now lost their main logistical hub for producing, transferring, and storing weapons, training their militias, and threatening Israel with another front.
Without Assad, Russia could lose naval access to the Mediterranean and ultimately its grip over the only country in the Middle East where it has dominance over the U.S.
What to watch: What comes next is deeply uncertain, and the direction of any future rebel-led government will be closely watched by the U.S., Russia, Israel, Iran and the many other countries impacted by 14 years of war.
The dominance of Islamist groups in particular including former affiliates of al-Qaeda has left the international community on edge, not to mention some minority communities who felt safer under Assad.
But for now, millions of Syrians are simply celebrating the chance to write their own future.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2966839][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/us/elections/chinese-americans-conservative-trump.html[/URL][/QUOTE]A relative handful of Asians in the San Gabriel Valley did not "give" anyone California's 54 Electoral College Votes for the win, least of all Trump, as that relative handful of angry, Netanyahu-hating but now regretful Muslims in PA, MI and WI "gave" the presidency to Trump.
Would you feel better if it hadn't been solely due to 115,000 angry, Netanyahu-hating Muslims voting for Trump rather than Harris in just those three decisive Battleground / Swing States and if instead it had been a 50-50 combination of them and gullible suckers who believed Bill Maher's constant pro Trump / Repub lies about Dems "thinking a man can get pregnant" every week for years and years?
LOL. I am positive your beloved Bill Maher's years long weekly televized Trump / Repub Campaign Rally swung at least 57,500 votes from Harris to Trump among his PA, MI and WI audience. That would have left only those angry, Netanyahu-hating Muslims to pick up the other 57,500 votes Trump needed to declare a "landslide" victory and "mandate" to shit all over the USA Constitution, economy and national security for another 4 years.
And you can not honestly believe Californians will suddenly go so stupid and unpatriotic as to give Trump's VP, Shady Pants, their 54 EC Votes in 2028.
Trump has already done a lot for crypto and he has not even be sworn in yet.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2966926]Trump has already done a lot for crypto and he has not even be sworn in yet.[/QUOTE]If I had been rooting for the awakening of BITCOIN I might have been lovin' on some Joe Biden since his election in November 2020.
And if I had been rooting for DOGECOIN, I REALLY would have been lovin' on some sweet Joe since then. "Elonia" Musk must have noticed that, too.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966825]Oh, "Pope Francis said," huh. LOL, didn't see that coming.
Now you went ahead and found another dude as delusional as you are.
Good job![/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_in_Russia_regarding_the_legitimacy_of_eastward_NATO_expansion[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/609134-musk-trmp-junior-zelensky-meme/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer[/URL]
Its all moot now, My Dearest Vladimir is crushing the vile vermin, and is protecting some of the greatest people in the world.
Love Live Russia!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2966698]Netanyahou makes his war for his interest, but he will kill many Jews all over the world, when Muslims support Palestinians, but same like Putin with Russians, he only works his craziness and don t care if many dead from his war. Give a country to Palestinians, when Israel was given to Jews, then Hamas should lose power. I know USA have big interests with Israel and Jews, must Muslims are more numerous.[/QUOTE]What you need is a MFGA President may I suggest you vote for Marine LE Pen.
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/608887-france-macron-centrism-crisis/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967036][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_in_Russia_regarding_the_legitimacy_of_eastward_NATO_expansion[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/609134-musk-trmp-junior-zelensky-meme/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer[/URL]
Its all moot now, My Dearest Vladimir is crushing the vile vermin, and is protecting some of the greatest people in the world.
Love Live Russia!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing a link totally disproving your contention, as you typically do:
[QUOTE][b]What is not in dispute:[/b] Gorbachev later agreed to withdraw from East Germany in exchange for financial concessions, [b]in a treaty that did not place limits on the future expansion of NATO.[/b][/QUOTE]Now, was your other link about "Elonia" Musk laughing at some fabricated photo or some such idiocy supposed to prove something else of importance?
Now, why would these AAA people make up stuff like this just to make our President-elect and the people who refused to vote for anyone else look like a bunch of blithering idiot liars? Shameful.
[B]Record Number of Holiday Travelers Expected to Close Out 2024.
AAA projects more than 119 million Americans will travel over the year-end holidays.
Dec. 11, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://newsroom.aaa.com/2024/12/year-end-forecast/[/URL]
[QUOTE]This years domestic travel projection narrowly [b]surpasses the previous record set in 2019[/b] by 64,000 travelers. AAA expects an additional 3 million travelers this holiday season compared to last year.
.............
This holiday season, gas prices are lower than last year, when the national average was around $3.12 in the last two weeks of 2023.
............
[B]By Air:[/b] AAA expects air travel to set a [b]new record[/b] this holiday season with 7.85 million passengers. That number [b]surpasses the previous record of 7.5 million air travelers last year.[/b] AAA booking data shows flights are 4% more expensive this holiday season compared to last year. The average domestic ticket is $830. International flights are 13 % more expensive, averaging $1,630 a ticket.
[B]By Other Modes:[/b] The number of Americans traveling by bus, train, and cruise this holiday season is [b]up nearly 10% compared to last year.[/b] AAA expects 4.47 million people will travel by other modes. [B]That number is the highest its been in 20 years.[/b][/QUOTE]And how can anyone believe Americans are breaking travel records today when prices are higher this year and nobody can even buy, what is the word again, "groceries"?
It is also impossible for any patriotic American to believe that people are driving almost as much as they did pre Trump's Pandemic while the average price of a gallon of Regular Gasoline in the USA is a whole 11 cents more now than it was 5 1/2 years ago and it is well known that 107% of those record numbers of new jobs created under Joe Biden went to illegal aliens.
Seriously. None of this can be true in the face of what Trump and his MAGAs have been telling us over the past few years. I mean, unless the illegal aliens who got 107% of the new jobs created under Biden-Harris are the only ones doing all the traveling, flying and driving this holiday season while real Americans are sitting Home Alone without any, what is the word, "groceries" to eat and being laughed at by "Elonia" Musk.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2967184]Thanks for providing a link totally disproving your contention, as you typically do:
Now, was your other link about "Elonia" Musk laughing at some fabricated photo or some such idiocy supposed to prove something else of importance?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/opinion/democratic-party-wilderness-trump.html[/URL]
Yuge thanks Scumbag Nancy Scumbag Joe and Scumbag Barry.
Post Script I won't even bother responding to you picking one line out of many saying many different things LMFAO!
Cherry Pick and Oversimplify Much?
As Sen. Tuberville now takes up the mantle and is now the lead Hegseth (and disgraced pedo/sex trafficker Gaetz) sexual misconduct sympathizer, tying to confirm Hegseth.
In what obviously looks like, a fool's errand and kind of like, "the proverbial fat lady trying to shoe horn her fat foot into a shoe size too small" [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[b]The problem(s) with Tubervilles absurd defense of Pete Hegseth[/b]
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-the-problems-with-tuberville-s-absurd-defense-of-pete-hegseth/ar-AA1vcxzk[/url]
Let face it, Hegseth, couldn't run a street corner lemonade stand and make a profit, better then a savvy 5th grader. Hegseth, is so incompetent and inept, on two (2) separate occasions, he took the very simple job of running a VA office, with budgets of around $15 million and mismanaged them and ran them into the ground, twice (2x). Any competent idiot would have learned from the first VA failure.
This kind of ineptitude and mismanagement, shouldn't be anywhere near the DOD, with 3+ million employees and a budget of more than $857 billion dollars, despite the cheerleading idiots like Tuberville.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2967184]Thanks for providing a link totally disproving your contention, as you typically do:
Now, was your other link about "Elonia" Musk laughing at some fabricated photo or some such idiocy supposed to prove something else of importance?[/QUOTE]Hes laughing at Zelinsky the little boy tried to take on Mother Russia and get curbstomped (with most of the Wests help he's still get pulverized).
That's very very funny if you ask me! And any other "REAL" men.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2966976]If I had been rooting for the awakening of BITCOIN I might have been lovin' on some Joe Biden since his election in November 2020.
And if I had been rooting for DOGECOIN, I REALLY would have been lovin' on some sweet Joe since then. "Elonia" Musk must have noticed that, too.[/QUOTE]Democrats Don't Have an Easy Way Out.
Dec. 11,2024.
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By Thomas be. Edsall.
Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, the. See. , on politics, demographics and inequality.
The weakened condition of the Democratic Party leaves it ill prepared to defend itself against a Republican Party determined to eviscerate liberalism and the left.
Evidence of the fraught state of the party can be found everywhere. Pew Research asked Democrats and Republicans whether they were optimistic or pessimistic about the future of their party after the five presidential and midterm elections from 2016 to 2024. Republicans in 2024 were more optimistic, 86-13, than after any of the previous four contests, including Donald Trump's 2016 victory. Among Democrats, optimism fell to 51 percent, while pessimism rose to 49 percent, well below the 61-38 for Democrats after the 2016 election.
Ken Martin, the chairman of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party and a leading candidate to become chairman of the Democratic National Committee, acknowledged this erosion of political clout in a memo to party leaders:
For the first time in modern history, the perception that Americans have of the two major political parties switched. The majority of Americans now believes that the Republican Party best represents the interests of the working class and the poor, and that the Democratic Party is the party of the wealthy and the elites. It's a damning indictment on our party brand.
Polling suggests that Trump is ideologically closer to the median voter than Kamala Harris. Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank, conducted a post-election survey asking voters to place themselves, Harris and Trump on a scale ranging from zero (very liberal) to 10 (very conservative). The mean response for Harris was 2. 45, for Trump 7. 78 and for all voters 5. 63.
Matthew Dallek, a political historian at George Washington University, voiced serious doubts by email about the ability of the Democratic Party to compete successfully with the Republican Party:
A party whose base consists of culturally liberal, largely well-educated white Americans and a shrinking share of voters of color is almost by definition going to find it impossible to defend American democracy. Every Democratic president from Franklin Roosevelt to Joe Biden won the White House by voicing the fears and defending the interests of the working and middle classes. Democrats cannot credibly claim to represent the ideals of American democracy and peel support away from Trump's anti-elite, populist G. O. P. Without reimagining what it stands for and who is in its coalition.
The Democratic Party is perhaps more rudderless than at any time since Bill Clinton's presidency. Its leadership is aging. The party seems culturally out of touch to many Americans. Its brand is associated with championing niche interests, and the party despite some crucial electoral victories has ultimately failed its overarching mission since 2015 of defeating and defanging the MAGA movement.
In addition, Dallek went on to say, the centrality of anti-establishment themes in the MAGA movement makes opposition to it all the more difficult:
The Democratic Party faces a heavy burden: it has to defend democratic institutions in a time when these institutions are reviled by a large majority of the American electorate. Its message to the public that it is a bulwark of democracy failed to resonate with voters in November. In order to defend democracy, then, it must find ways to appeal to a majority of the American people on the bread-and-butter issues foremost in people's lives.
When Franklin Roosevelt called on the United States "to become the 'arsenal of democracy, Dallek wrote.
He persuaded citizens that protecting democracy was in their own self-interest: it was key to Americans' prosperity, freedoms, and their children's future. He helped explain to the public how anti-democratic threats imperiled their livelihoods. Today's Democratic Party has not yet found a way to make this case stick.
The pressure on the Democratic Party to assume the role of democracy's defender has arrived at a difficult time. Not only was the outcome of the 2024 election supremely deflating, but many of the party's institutional allies are struggling to deal with setbacks.
Controversies over pro-Palestinian demonstrations and expressions of antisemitism have forced the resignation of presidents of some of the nation's most prestigious universities. From 2015 to 2024, the share of adults with a "great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in higher education fell from 57 percent to 36 percent, while those with "very little" or "none" rose from 10 percent to 32 percent, according to Gallup.
The two liberal cable networks, CNN and MSNBC, have experienced sharp post-election declines in viewership. Forbes reported on Nov. 29 that "MSNBC's prime-time audience has dipped 53 percent since the week before the election," closely followed "by a 47 percent drop by CNN while Fox News has largely held onto its audience since President-elect Donald Trump's victory. ".
In city after city, voters have ousted liberal district attorneys, many whose campaigns were backed by George Soros. Many if not most of those prosecutors pressed for no-bail policies and for the abandonment of prosecuting selected misdemeanors.
What's more, these cracks emerging in the institutional pillars of the left now accompany weakening Democratic support in three of its crucial constituencies: minorities, the young and urban voters.
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Trump and his allies are more than willing to kick an adversary when he or she is down. Don Moynihan, a professor of public policy at the University of Michigan, described by email the probable Republican agenda:
Authoritarians tend to target certain institutions to cement their control: typically the media, higher education, the bureaucracy, the legal system and the military. To varying degrees, Trump has promised to control, purge or punish all of these groups. He has pledged to remove woke bureaucrats and generals, and to protect free speech in the media and on campus by punishing organizations deemed to be outliers.
Moynihan stressed that "this is not about wokeness, or free speech; it is about Trump using government powers to engage in selective punishments and purges on a scale we really have not seen before. ".
Perhaps most striking is Trump's plan to excise a broad swath of the top ranks in the military, the crucial arm of government constraining or allowing authoritarian methods by the president.
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"I would fire them. You can't have a woke military," Trump said in a Fox News interview last June. And in a post-election podcast in November, Pete Hegseth, Trump's choice to become secretary of defense, said, "Any general that was involved general, admiral, whatever that was involved in any of the the. E. I. Woke shit, it's got to go. ".
The Trump transition team, The Wall Street Journal reported, is exploring the possibility of having Trump issue an executive order creating a "warrior board" of former ranking military personnel empowered to recommend removal of any three- or four-star generals found to be unfit for leadership.
Moynihan wrote that he has.
Taught and been impressed by a good number of military officers. The idea that the armed services is overrun with wokeness is simply not grounded in reality. "Wokeness" is really just an excuse to purge officials who might be expected to be less loyal to Trump.
Along similar lines, the American Accountability Foundation, a conservative group funded in part by the Heritage Foundation, was established in 2022 for the explicit purpose of "identifying and shining a spotlight on the high-ranking civil servants within the Departments of Homeland Security (DHS) and Justice (DOJ) who are likely to thwart an incoming conservative administration's immigration agenda. ".
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On Oct. 23, the Accountability Foundation announced publication of the "first tranche" of names and photos the "Ten Top Targets" of what it called "subversive, leftist bureaucrats serving in the federal government who cannot be trusted to enforce our immigration laws under a future administration intent on securing our border. ".
William Galston, a senior fellow at Brookings, warned in an email that "substantial portions of the Republican electoral base are so angry with 'liberal elites' that they will stop at nothing to destroy them, by whatever means Trump chooses to use. ".
At the same time, Galston continued, the Republican Party "contains many elected officials who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law but who are unwilling to risk their careers to defend them, especially if doing so requires them to break with or oppose Trump. ".
If Trump chooses "to arouse rather than tame the darkest passions of his base supporters, he and his followers will threaten constitutional democracy," Galston wrote. In those circumstances, "it will fall to the Democratic Party to defend constitutional democracy. ".
There are many hurdles the Democrats will have to overcome to be effective in that role.
First and foremost, according to Galston, will be regaining majority power "in at least one national institution. Democrats are currently consigned to minority status in all four White House, the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the Supreme Court and the trends revealed in the 2024 election are not encouraging. ".
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"The Democratic Party as now constituted," Galston added, "is not headed toward a durable majority. ".
The second hurdle is avoiding past strategic errors:
Even when Democrats do enjoy majorities, they have proved unwilling to give (or incapable of giving) priority to defending constitutional democracy. In the most recent Congress, for example, they failed to join bipartisan efforts to reform the dangerously broad Insurrection Act, reportedly because the Congressional Black Caucus refused to limit a tool used in the past to implement desegregation and civil rights laws against Southern opposition.
A political party, as Galston put it, echoing Justice Robert Jackson in 1949, "is not a suicide pact, and advocacy groups should stop pressuring elected officials to take positions that they cannot defend during elections. ".
How does that translate in practical terms?
Galston emailed his suggestions. For one, "Democrats must agree on an approach to immigration that can command majority support, even if left-leaning immigration lawyers denounce it. ".
And more generally, "without changes that subordinate moral posturing to the task of building a new majority, Democrats' efforts to protect constitutional institutions and democratic norms against populist ire may well fall short. ".
Robert Erickson, a political scientist at Columbia, pointed out in an email that the 2024 election presents a unique situation for the defeated party. He wrote by email:
Normally the task of the party that just lost the presidential election is for its members to leisurely lick their wounds, take an audit of their failings, and wait patiently for the eventual rebound. The losing party is otherwise irrelevant for the moment.
Trump's return presents a more urgent situation for the Democrats. Trump seeks to overturn the narrative about Jan. 6 and even jail some opponents. If he is allowed a clear runway, he can severely damage the rule of law. So the Democrats need to show that they will stand in his way and make him pause. For instance, Senate Democrats should challenge confirmation of political appointees who are J6 sympathizers or who would willingly facilitate retribution. Of course they would need at least a few Republican allies for any successful resistance.
Some analysts argue that a top priority for Democrats in 2025 should be building alliances with the few Republicans in Congress who have at least partially distanced themselves from Trump, including Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine.
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Without at least a semblance of bipartisanship, Democratic efforts to block Trump's anti-democratic initiatives will risk losing political legitimacy, their actions reduced in the minds of a deeply polarized electorate to political posturing, according to this line of thinking.
Julie Wronski, a political scientist at the University of Mississippi, elaborated on these themes in an email:
If there is a burden on the Democratic Party to be the protector of democracy, that burden entails genuine bipartisanship with democracy-supporting members of the Republican Party. It requires a flexible Democratic Party platform that is willing to compromise on various social and economic issues (immigration, trans rights, tax policies) in the short run to protect democracy in the long run. It requires an ideological pivot toward more moderate voters who may not always agree with socially and culturally liberal whites.
Trump and the Republican Party, Wronski continued.
Are not synonymous. Trump poses a threat to democracy. But the Republican Party is not just Trump, and there is variation within members of the Republican Party regarding support for upholding American democratic norms.
In that context, Wronski noted:
The threat posed by the Republican Party to American democracy will be their complacency in the face of Trump's behavior. Keep in mind, Republicans in the Senate could have convicted Trump for impeachable offenses following the Jan. 6 attack, but they chose not to.
One theme that repeatedly emerges in the comments of political analysts is the need for the Democratic Party and its candidates to regain the center and to avoid the adoption of more extreme cultural and social policies that alienate the middle and working classes.
At the same time, the conscious adoption of less controversial positions on cultural issues threatens to drive more radical constituencies "into abstention and sectarian party politics," Herbert Kitschelt, a political scientist at Duke who has studied the rise of populism in Europe, wrote by email.
But, Kitschelt continued.
The sustained pressure of an authoritarian Republican president and a Republican Party bending to that president's will could make it more likely for Democrats to coordinate and converge around political positions that promise electoral success with moderate voters while also preventing a retreat of more radical supporters into abstention, given how high the stakes are of the political game.
In other words, according to Kitschelt, the prospect of sustained defeat will be the mother of moderation:
Progressives in the Democratic Party have intolerantly preached distinctive conceptions of (group) tolerance that a majority of Americans have found to produce new forms of authoritarian intolerance intolerance both at the level of individual, personal social interactions as well as at the level of group relations and political representation.
The apostles of an ethics of pure conviction the uncompromising pursuit of intolerant moral postulates, no matter what may be the sacrifices, trade-offs, and prospects will have to give way to an ethics of responsibility that weighs the opportunities to create political majorities, even if more far-reaching objectives of Democratic politics, as interpreted by this or that party wing, have to be put on the back burner, and probably permanently.
Losing political parties always go through a period of recrimination, blame and introspection, but this time the grieving among Democrats has taken on a tone of remorse and futility, a sense that Trump has tapped into a deepening well of anger and frustration that has the potential to become the dominant force in American politics for years to come.
Will America turn into an authoritarian one-party state as Trump seizes power and resources? Or will the United States once again as it did during the American Revolution, the Civil War and two World Wars demonstrate the resilience and creativity that carried it through crises in the past?
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/opinion/democratic-party-wilderness-trump.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967036]Its all moot now, My Dearest Vladimir is crushing the vile vermin[/QUOTE]"The vile vermin" being Ukrainians defending their own country?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2967212]As Sen. Tuberville now takes up the mantle and is now the lead Hegseth (and disgraced pedo/sex trafficker Gaetz) sexual misconduct sympathizer, tying to confirm Hegseth.
In what obviously looks like, a fool's errand and kind of like, "the proverbial fat lady trying to shoe horn her fat foot into a shoe size too small" [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[b]The problem(s) with Tubervilles absurd defense of Pete Hegseth[/b]
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-the-problems-with-tuberville-s-absurd-defense-of-pete-hegseth/ar-AA1vcxzk[/url]
Let face it, Hegseth, couldn't run a street corner lemonade stand and make a profit, better then a savvy 5th grader. Hegseth, is so incompetent and inept, on two (2) separate occasions, he took the very simple job of running a VA office, with budgets of around $15 million and mismanaged them and ran them into the ground, twice (2x). Any competent idiot would have learned from the first VA failure.
This kind of ineptitude and mismanagement, shouldn't be anywhere near the DOD, with 3+ million employees and a budget of more than $857 billion dollars, despite the cheerleading idiots like Tuberville.[/QUOTE]The best part is when Dummy Dumberville assured us Trump wasn't going to nominate or appoint a "criminal" or anything like that. And then Trump promptly nominated or appointed TWO convicted criminals! LOL.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2967300]"The vile vermin" being Ukrainians defending their own country?[/QUOTE]And those that support the 3 years of needless slaughter of many many good young men.
The Ukraine is not the victim here, they are the proxy for the provocateurs of the West.
Ukrainian men don't want to fight in this needless war they understand they are being used as meat for the meatgrinder for the benefit of the West.
[URL]https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html[/URL]
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2966657]A classic case of projecting, reminds me of those politicians or clerics we see from time to time on the television constantly screaming about the evils of homosexuality, until of course they.
Are arrested for lewd behavior in public for visiting glory holes in books stores or man on man fellatio in public washrooms etcetera etcetera.[/QUOTE]
[i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Yeah, you could be right about one thing, Repubs take the cake when it comes to your portrayal of "glory holes" and lewd behavior"!
Just take the latest round of Repoub hypocrites and "closet glory holers"
From Pastor and [i][b]Lt.Gov. Mark Robinson (NC)[/b][/i], jacking-off to porn repeatedly, with a pizza and soda, in said fav. dime store sex shop, to the anti-LGBTQ+ advocates [i][b]Christian & Bridget Ziegler[/b][/i] who loved threesomes with women (and men?), to [i][b]Lauren Boebert[/b][/i] hand-job jacking-off to Beetlejuice in public viewing, to [i][b]ex-Gov. Eric Greitens (MO),[/b][/i] charged with beating up his wife/kids and tying up and blackmailing his affair with his mistress with nude photos, to the Beavis & Butthead hijinx of [i][b]Matt Gaetz[/b] and convicted and jailed [b]Joel Greenberg's[/b][/i] pedo sex trafficking, drug fueled sex parties, with questionably aged girls.
[i]--50 times Republicans looked like fools and hypocrites in 2024 [/i]
[url]https://www.pride.com/politics/times-republicans-looked-like-fools-and-hypocrites-in-2024#rebelltitem18[/url]
Let's not forget some of the all-time Repub greats, like [i][b]Trump[/b][/i] (no explanation needed), [i][b]Roy[/b][/i] "Trolling Teenage Girls at the Mall" [i][b]Moore,[/b][/i] the many scandals of the disgraced and fake televangelists [i][b]Jim & Tammy Bakker.[/b][/i] Who can forget the notorious pool boy scandals and fake piety of [i][b]Jerry Falwell,[/b][/i] or Mark Foley, Jim Kolbe, Kathryn Lehman and Ken Mehlman...etc, the list is endless.
[i]--18 Homophobic Leaders Who Turned Out to Be Gay or Bi [/i]
[url]https://www.advocate.com/politicians/2018/5/24/18-homophobic-leaders-who-turned-out-be-gay-or-bi#rebelltitem25[/url]
Yep, one or two Dems on the list (as it has always been historically), but make no mistake about it, this [b]"glory hole" projection[/b] of yours, is mainly [i][b]the DOMAIN[/i][/b] of Repub hypocrites.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967036]Its all moot now, My Dearest Vladimir is crushing the vile vermin, and is protecting some of the greatest people in the world.
Love Live Russia!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2967300]"The vile vermin" being Ukrainians defending their own country?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967436]And those that support the 3 years of needless slaughter of many many good young men.
The Ukraine is not the victim here, they are the proxy for the provocateurs of the West.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.[/QUOTE]I see.
Just curious. Do you remember when it was the first time you fell in love with Putin?
Was it before or after you began hating your country?
I'm just curious what came first. Did you start hating America when you got fascinated with Putin or was Putin the answer to your hatred for America?
There is no doubt he agreed to ring the bell this morning on the assumption that his so far "meh" post-election relief rally would break into at least one demonstrably winning day after so many losing days in the Dow. So he gathered his family and a few favored cronies who stand to do most if not all of the real "winning" in his 2nd term to witness the Trumpian glory of it:
[B]Trump rings bell at NYSE to cheers of 'USA' as Wall Street CEOs, business leaders look on.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/trump-rings-bell-at-nyse-to-cheers-of-usa-as-wall-street-ceos-business-leaders-look-on.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trump rang the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange.
Trump was flanked by Vice President-elect JD Vance, incoming first lady Melania Trump, NYSE President Lynn Martin, and two of Trumps children, Ivanka and Tiffany.
The crowd of onlookers included Goldman Sachs David Solomon, Citigroups Jane Fraser, Verizons Hans Vestberg, Brian Cornell of Target, and Pershing Squares Bill Ackman.[/QUOTE]But, nope, the carefully orchestrated timing didn't turn out so well. LOL. Guess you can't always inherit good times and results produced by other people, virtually akways Dems. Just most of the time.
[B]Dow futures are little changed after index posts longest losing streak since April: Live updates.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Dow futures were little changed in overnight trading Thursday following a losing session on Wall Street.[/QUOTE]Hey, where was "Elonia"? He should have been there hugging him even tighter than Melonia for that bell ringing.
Yes, Your typical Republican whacks off to porn, gets jacked off by busty MILF's in dark theatres, participates in threesomes with two women, bangs sugar babies, fucks porn stars and Playboy playmates, and grabs women by the pussy.
Your typical Democrat goes to feminist rallies and tries to get people fired for telling dirty jokes.
Your typical Libertarian believes in legalized prostitution.
Who's the most like you? Who would you rather have a beer with? Who should you vote for?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2967517]Yes, Your typical Republican whacks off to porn, gets jacked off by busty MILF's in dark theatres, participates in threesomes with two women, bangs sugar babies, fucks porn stars and Playboy playmates, and grabs women by the pussy.
Your typical Democrat goes to feminist rallies and tries to get people fired for telling dirty jokes.
Your typical Libertarian believes in legalized prostitution.
Who's the most like you? Who would you rather have a beer with? Who should you vote for?[/QUOTE]Is the gay kind, see Jewish Barney Frank running a gay brothel out of his DC apartment.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967436]And those that support the 3 years of needless slaughter of many many good young men.
The Ukraine is not the victim here, they are the proxy for the provocateurs of the West.
Ukrainian men don't want to fight in this needless war they understand they are being used as meat for the meatgrinder for the benefit of the West.
[URL]https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html[/URL]
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.[/QUOTE]Send their young men to the meat grinder that is the Ukraine.
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/609259-poland-troops-ukraine-tusk/[/URL]
I'm guessing there won't be many, if any.
https://www.rt.com/news/609280-trump-eu-troops-ukraine/
"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated", said the numbskull "smart businessman" Repub Party icon who has spent 9 years mulling a "concept" of the Healthcare replacement for Obamacare and to this day has come up with zero.
We can add, "Nobody knew meaningful Infrastructure legislation and creating instead of destroying millions upon millions of jobs could be so complicated" to his repertoire of classic Know Nothing / Do Nothing Repub stalls and Lame Excuses.
And now we have "Nobody knew reducing the cost of "groceries", which is a word nobody knew about until I came along, could be so complicated."
Lolol. MAGAS, the Kremlin, China and Iran thank you for your vote.
[B]Trump says it will be 'hard' to bring down grocery prices, pins hopes on lower energy costs and better supply chains.
The pace of food price growth has already slowed dramatically over the past year.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/trump-says-hard-bring-grocery-prices-down-why-rcna183960[/URL]
[QUOTE]Trump has promised to further increase American energy production. It is already at all-time highs.
He also did not specify how he would fix any supply chain issues, pivoting instead to complaints about the Biden administration's incentives for electric vehicles.
In fact, experts say Trump's much-talked-about tariffs proposals would likely exacerbate supply chain woes. It already happened during Trump's first administration, when ocean container shipping market rates spiked more than 70% in 2018 after he announced new tariffs, according to Reuters.
"Trumps import tariffs are history repeating and will cause a spike in ocean container shipping markets with consumers picking up the cost, Peter Sand, chief analyst at the shipping pricing platform Xeneta, told Reuters in September.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2967482]I see.
Just curious. Do you remember when it was the first time you fell in love with Putin?
Was it before or after you began hating your country?
I'm just curious what came first. Did you start hating America when you got fascinated with Putin or was Putin the answer to your hatred for America?[/QUOTE]Xpartan Projecting Bob is the ideal name for you.
Well I love Putin and the Russian people I would love to swap out 1/2 of the USA for all of the people of Russia.
That would make the USA even better and send all the Cucks for Harris voters to a 3rd world shithole where they would be happier ala Port Au Prince.
I wrote a couple posts but don't see them anywhere?
Insider trading indictments.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/13/us/trump-transition-news[/URL]#nancy-pelosi-hospitalized-Luxembourg-falling.
The Trump Administration: A Confederacy of Criminals. As everyone knows, I'm sure, the very stable genius knows "all the best" criminals.
[B]SEC says Cantor Fitzgerald, led by Trump Commerce pick Lutnick, broke law.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/sec-cantor-fitzgerald-charges-howard-lutnick-trump-commerce-spac-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]WASHINGTON The Securities and Exchange Commission on Thursday charged global financial services firm Cantor Fitzgerald with violating laws related to regulatory disclosures by so-called blank-check companies before they raise money from the public.
[B]Cantors chairman and CEO, Howard Lutnick, was recently nominated by President-elect Donald Trump to lead the Commerce Department. Lutnick is co-chair of Trumps transition team.[/b]
Cantor agreed to settle the SECs charges by agreeing to pay a $6.75 million civil penalty and agreeing to not violate the securities laws at issue in the case.
The firm did not admit or deny the charges, which relate to certain antifraud and proxy provisions of federal securities laws.
[B]Cantors settlement echoes an $18 million settlement another blank-check firm, Digital World Acquisition Corp., agreed to pay to the SEC in July 2023 after being charged with fraud for failing to disclose to investors that DWAC had extensive merger discussions with Trumps then-private social media company, Trump Media. DWAC merged with Trump Media earlier this year.[/b]
It was unclear Thursday night whether the Trump transition vetting team was aware of the SECs investigation of Cantor when the president-elect said that he had selected Lutnick to become secretary of Commerce.[/QUOTE]History has shown it is simply not possible for The Trump Crime Family and Associates to make money without lying, cheating or stealing it.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967566]Xpartan Projecting Bob is the ideal name for you.
Well I love Putin and the Russian people I would love to swap out 1/2 of the USA for all of the people of Russia.
That would make the USA even better and send all the Cucks for Harris voters to a 3rd world shithole where they would be happier ala Port Au Prince.[/QUOTE]If you really loved Russia and know about the country, then you can t support crazy shameful dangerous Putin who kill and fuck Russians who are blind.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967036][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_in_Russia_regarding_the_legitimacy_of_eastward_NATO_expansion[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/609134-musk-trmp-junior-zelensky-meme/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer[/URL]
Its all moot now, My Dearest Vladimir is crushing the vile vermin, and is protecting some of the greatest people in the world.
Love Live Russia!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.[/QUOTE]Shame on you. You claim to love Russia and you don t know Russians and Ukrainians are brothers, with many mixed families, children who have parents Russian and Ukrainian. And more than 1 million dead and misery, Putin even killing babies and children. Urgent to erase him.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/business/mckinsey-oxycontin-settlement.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967566]Xpartan Projecting Bob is the ideal name for you.
Well I love Putin and the Russian people I would love to swap out 1/2 of the USA for all of the people of Russia.
That would make the USA even better and send all the Cucks for Harris voters to a 3rd world shithole where they would be happier ala Port Au Prince.[/QUOTE]I presumed you hated your country in whole when you called it "vile vermin," but apparently you only hate 50% of America. That makes you 50% more humanitarian than I thought you were. Kudos!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967436]And those that support the 3 years of needless slaughter of many many good young men.
The Ukraine is not the victim here, they are the proxy for the provocateurs of the West.
Ukrainian men don't want to fight in this needless war they understand they are being used as meat for the meatgrinder for the benefit of the West.
[URL]https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-military-manpower-crisis-pressgang-recruitment/33161193.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967545][b]The only "acceptable" prostitution to the hyper femininized left[/b]
Is the gay kind, see Jewish Barney Frank running a gay brothel out of his DC apartment.[/QUOTE]You should avoid posting about economics. When you stick to foreign policy and the proclivities of hyper left Democrats you make a lot more sense.
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/the-one-thing-no-one-is-mentioning-in-their-barney-frank-tributes-the-prostitutes-2011-11[/URL]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2966825]Oh, "Pope Francis said," huh. LOL, didn't see that coming.
Now you went ahead and found another dude as delusional as you are.
Good job![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/provoked-long-train-abuses-culminated-ukraine-war[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2967505]There is no doubt he agreed to ring the bell this morning on the assumption that his so far "meh" post-election relief rally would break into at least one demonstrably winning day after so many losing days in the Dow. So he gathered his family and a few favored cronies who stand to do most if not all of the real "winning" in his 2nd term to witness the Trumpian glory of it:
[B]Trump rings bell at NYSE to cheers of 'USA' as Wall Street CEOs, business leaders look on.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/trump-rings-bell-at-nyse-to-cheers-of-usa-as-wall-street-ceos-business-leaders-look-on.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
But, nope, the carefully orchestrated timing didn't turn out so well. LOL. Guess you can't always inherit good times and results produced by other people, virtually akways Dems. Just most of the time.
[B]Dow futures are little changed after index posts longest losing streak since April: Live updates.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Hey, where was "Elonia"? He should have been there hugging him even tighter than Melonia for that bell ringing.[/QUOTE]Please give us your opinion of the quote about 2 billionaires with the black background, lets hear it.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2967720]You should avoid posting about economics. When you stick to foreign policy and the proclivities of hyper left Democrats you make a lot more sense.
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/the-one-thing-no-one-is-mentioning-in-their-barney-frank-tributes-the-prostitutes-2011-11[/URL][/QUOTE]That you a Chase the Gun Oliver voter doesn't like my posts that concern economics!!
Now that Trump's already "meh" post-election relief rally has apparently morphed into a notable series of losers not suffered in the Dow since Trump's previous term, even stubbornly resistant to Trump's magic words, magic wand and magic bell ringing:
[B]Dow slides for a seventh straight day for longest losing streak since 2020.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
We might well ask is it because the reality of Trump's America-hating clown show of a clown administration is now coming into focus in general.
Or is it more specifically because, say, his nominee to head the FBI has been very vocal about fulfilling the decades' long Repub Party mission to Defund the Police by starting with the federal law enforcement agency responsible for preventing the next Repub GW Bush-style Attack on 9-11?
[B]Trump picks loyalist Kash Patel to head FBI[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-picks-kash-patel-head-fbi-2024-12-01/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Patel, who during Trump's first term advised both the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense, has previously called for stripping the FBI of its intelligence-gathering role and purging its ranks of any employee who refuses to support Trump's agenda.[/QUOTE]Or perhaps because his nominee for Secretary of Health and Human Brain-eating Worms has already gotten the ball rolling on creating Trump's Pandemic Part 2, only this time with Polio instead of with Covid? Or perhaps in addition to Covid and a few other scourges?
[B]RFK Jr.s lawyer petitions the FDA to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine.[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/rfk-jr-lawyer-petitions-fda-192545811.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Siri, a prominent conspiracy theorist like Kennedy, has already filed a petition to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccines, including those that protect against hepatitis B and COVID-19. His latest filing was to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Like Kennedy, Siri is critical of vaccines, and through Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit with which both men are affiliated , each person has repeatedly made the false claim that vaccines are dangerous or cause autism.[/QUOTE]Or is it about the sexually abusive roaring drunk he wants to head The Defense Department?
(No link necessary).
Or is it simply that the market has by now figured out that the numbskull President-elect who is a 34 times convicted Felon for conspiring to steal a previous election and produced every horrific result in his previous term to fully deserve a bi-partisan team of historians to rank him as The Worst President in History has been granted the opportunity to repeat that accomplishment by less than 115,000 angry, Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims spread across the only decisive three states in the country?
These are all possibilities if not probabilities worth considering at this point.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2966617]If anyone can find a passage in this blithering, blathering, incoherent nonsense from Trump in this first post-Squeaker Handful of a Muslim Jihad Against America Election interview that suggests in any way that Trump is informed, intelligent, prepared and fit to serve as anything except perhaps as Liar-in-Chief for a Con Man Clinic, you deserve a cookie:
[B]Read the full transcript: President-elect Donald Trump interviewed by "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker.
Trump spoke with NBC News for more than an hour in an interview that covered a range of topics.
Dec. 9, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-interview-meet-press-kristen-welker-election-president-rcna182857[/URL]
I am telling you his only "plan" is to bluster, blather and complain for the next four years, coast on the terrific, Envy of the World Biden-Harris Economy he will inherit and play lots and lots and lots of golf, exactly as he did the first time around with the terrific Obama-Biden economy he inherited. And he will do that until he recognizes and seizes upon the opportunity to usher in and exacerbate another "Once in 100 Years Disaster" that only happen under Repub presidents and never under Dem presidents to exploit and blame on everyone else.
Whatever stray legislation or Executive Order he proposes and sticks will most certainly turn out to be a colossal addition to the deficit producing virtually no perceivable benefit to anyone but his already wealthy cronies.
He is the Unsolvable Mythical Grievances President for the Unsolvable Mythical Grievances MAGA Repub Party, a true modern-day blight and menace to economic success, national security and democratic freedom.
To the relative handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims in PA, MI and WI who "gave Trump the presidency" and the similarly-motivated MAGA Repubs around the country who squeaked out a razor-thin Plurality of the vote for him this time around, The Kremlin thanks you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/business/trump-bessent-economic-strategy.html[/URL]
President-elect Donald J. Trump could soon brandish three arrows of his own. Mr. Trump's Treasury secretary pick, Scott Bessent, has mapped out a three-pronged approach to jump-starting a USA Economy that has been saddled with inflation and sluggish output.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2967482]I see.
Just curious. Do you remember when it was the first time you fell in love with Putin?
Was it before or after you began hating your country?
I'm just curious what came first. Did you start hating America when you got fascinated with Putin or was Putin the answer to your hatred for America?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/608809-trenin-russia-win-ukraine/[/URL]
Ah, those Magic Trump Words. LOL.
See, this is why and how Trump's mere blathering threats of increasing prices on imports accomplish that result even BEFORE his 10%-25%-200% Tax Increases on American Consumers are officially applied to the system. Or even if he drops the idea of doing it. Or even if he is too busy golfing, golfing, golfing at his failed resorts to get around to it.
It doesn't matter; The angry, Netanyahu-hating but already regretful handful of Muslims "mandate" President-elect Trump has already triggered supply-chain / delivery'chain price increases that will, not might, be passed on to sucker MAGAs, Bothsider / Neithersiders, non-Dem voters and, unfortunately, everyone else in America. And he did it just with his blithering, blathering "smart businessman's" Magic Words.
[B]Shipping giant Maersk sees 'another year of disruption' for global trade in 2025.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/13/shipping-giant-maersk-sees-another-year-of-disruption-for-global-trade.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The disruptions include another potential International Longshoremens Association strike at East Coast and Gulf ports across the U.S., and [b]tariff threats made by President-elect Trump[/b] ahead of an early Lunar New Year in Asia, when many manufacturing plants in China are idled for a month.
[B]These threats have stoked the price of the cargo container as shippers vie for the coveted boxes to ship their imports. Over the last several months, ocean freight spot rates had been on the decline, but on Monday, when ocean carriers released their rates for the Dec. 15- Dec. 31 bookings, logistics managers told CNBC they jumped, a bullish demand indicator.[/b]
In ContainerXChanges latest update, it reported North America has experienced the sharpest rise on a global basis, at 20%, in average container prices over the last 90 days.
The National Retail Federation recently said inbound cargo traffic as a result of strike and [b]tariff threats[/b] would fuel container import records in both November and December.
Maersk has started to see a progression of trade moving over to the West Coast, Van der Steene said. With volumes remaining strong, We can at least conclude that volumes are being pulled forward, or [b]volumes are incredibly more strong now because of the anticipation of a potential disruption,[/b] he said.[/QUOTE]And on that potential Longshoremsn's strike price-increasing disruption, Trump is claiming he will do the same thing Joe Biden did to end it quickly for the sake of the workers and for the benefit of America, because:
[QUOTE]A strike that lasts longer than a few days would cost the U.S. economy $5-$7 billion per week, according to EY.[/QUOTE]However, bear in mind Joe Biden was known and for decades proved himself to be a truth-telling American Patriot always putting America First, making difficult decisions and taking principled stands regardless of the political risk that turned out to produce the very best results for America and the vast majority of Americans.
Uh. But Donald Trump is known and proven throughout his life to be a pathological liar about everything big and small, to always put himself first, everyone else be damned, and who makes decisions from his golf cart that turn out to be the most damaging to America, the vast majority of Americans and everyone else in the world, totally justifying his ranking among bi-partisan teams of presidential hisorians as The Worst President in History.
Big difference.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2965703]The Trump / Repub 'squeaker' of a win just got squeakier, taking the Repub expertise at rigging elections to new heights:
[B]GOP Gerrymandering in NC Tipped the Scales of Congress, Outgoing Lawmaker Says.
[u]The MAGA Republicans in Raleigh didnt care about reflecting the will of the people,[/u] Rep. Wiley Nickel wrote.[/B] [URL]https://truthout.org/articles/gop-gerrymandering-in-nc-tipped-the-scales-of-congress-outgoing-lawmaker-says/[/URL]
[INDENT][i]In an op-ed for the Raleigh News & Observer, Nickel noted that the result of the presidential election in North Carolina and the results of other races in the state showed close to a 50-50 split, representative of the purple status North Carolina is known for. However, because of Republican gerrymandering last year, the congressional delegation leaned Republican, with a 10-4 split. [/i][/INDENT][/QUOTE]
What is even more alarming in North Carolina (NC), about the corrupt Repub's over-the-top and extreme aggressive gerrymandering you cited, is their deceitful, shameful and unabashed desire to hold on to power, in a resounding defeat, by Dems and the will of North Carolinians, that resoundingly voted for democracy and Dems, down ballot.
Yes, the power hunger, corrupt and political abusers of American democracy, the Repubs, have yet again found a way to pervert democracy and the will of the people, with a bill that strips power from incoming Democratic elected officials, so now law in NC.
[b]North Carolina GOP lawmakers enact a law eroding the incoming Democratic governors powers,[/b] Dec 12th, 2024 [url]https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-legislature-veto-governor-powers-9da3f0f546300707da96d379ff88341c[/url]
So it appears, that on the way out the door, the outgoing Repubs in NC, have "jerry-rigged", a hurricane Helene relief bill, to hamstring and handicap the legislative power of the incoming Dems, who won all state down-ballot offices, except one, where this power grab bill now puts the bulk of the legislative power, with the State Auditor, Dave Boliek (a Trump bootlicker [i][b](...kkkk!)[/i][/b] and election denier), the one down ballot race, the Dems, unfortunately did not win. Essentially, bypassing the incoming Dem Governor, majority Dem State Congress and state offices, into what most likely will become, a "lame-duck" state parliament.
Once again a prime example, of the shameful and unmitigated gall from [i][b]Repubs, who care nothing for the vote from hardworking Americans, and place power, greed and a fealty, to a wannabe "orange" dictator,[/b][/i] above the love for democracy and their country.
Can't wait for the false equivalences on this one, from the MAGA peanut gallery! [i][b](...kkkk!)[/i][/b]
After jumping like monkey Musk buying votes with his millions for Trump, also corruption for Trump? What a really great country like in third world.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2961538]Are you Overjoyed that We Shall Never have to Hear from Cackling Kamala Jones Ever Again? Also Uncle Obama's Deep State Shadow government Shall Be Destroyed?[/QUOTE]Wood, Love your Patriotic Post! Just hoping Trump & His Team can execute thru the criminal cartel of Democrat governance. I could go on with hundreds of other issues, but this board is not for that.
Tiny's heroes:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Milton_Friedman.jpg[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Margaret-Thatcher[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYPNsTpO4Y[/URL]
Tooms' heroes:
[URL]https://people.com/politics/jimmy-carter-life-in-pictures/[/URL]
[URL]https://x.com/econjared?lang=en[/URL]
[URL]https://sandersinstitute.org/fellows/dr-stephanie-kelton[/URL]
Sirioja's heroes:
[URL]https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/thomas-piketty-interview-inequality-book-covid/[/URL]
[URL]https://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/Saez_photopage_8_1.html[/URL]
[URL]https://gabriel-zucman.eu/bio/[/URL]
Two of Sirioja's three heroes moved moved to the USA because the economy in France sucked. Kind of like California progressives who move to Austin, Texas.
The Marquis' heroes:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/30/bernie-sanders-mittens-viral-biden-inaugu-brendan-smialowskis-best-photograph[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Juan-Peron[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2967936]Tiny's heroes:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Milton_Friedman.jpg[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Margaret-Thatcher[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYPNsTpO4Y[/URL]
Tooms' heroes:
[URL]https://people.com/politics/jimmy-carter-life-in-pictures/[/URL]
[URL]https://x.com/econjared?lang=en[/URL]
[URL]https://sandersinstitute.org/fellows/dr-stephanie-kelton[/URL]
Sirioja's heroes:
[URL]https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/thomas-piketty-interview-inequality-book-covid/[/URL]
[URL]https://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/Saez_photopage_8_1.html[/URL]
[URL]https://gabriel-zucman.eu/bio/[/URL]
Two of Sirioja's three heroes moved moved to the USA because the economy in France sucked. Kind of like California progressives who move to Austin, Texas.
The Marquis' heroes:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/30/bernie-sanders-mittens-viral-biden-inaugu-brendan-smialowskis-best-photograph[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Juan-Peron[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx[/URL][/QUOTE]Mine were the only ones who actually produced historic economic recoveries and job gains.
Thank you.
Yours?
Margaret Thatcher:
[QUOTE]The result was a dramatic increase in unemployment, from 1.3 million in 1979 to more than double that figure two years later. At the same time, inflation doubled in just 14 months, to more than 20 percent, and manufacturing output fell sharply. Although inflation decreased and output rose before the end of her first term, unemployment continued to increase, reaching more than three million in 1986.[/QUOTE]Typical of the "conservative" Repub presidential results in the USA. Seems to the pattern of "conservative" economic philosophies and agendas worldwide and throughout history.
All of the others are a joke; fanciful, lazy academic theories that fail miserably in the Real World.
Sorry to say the price of eggs and egg-related "groceries", a word nobody used until Donald Trump started using it, had nothing to do with Joe Biden after the price of many foods and restaurant menu items began to skyrocket in 2018 due to Trump's failed Trade War with China and other countries, his tariffs and, of course, his supply-chain destruction during Trump's Pandemic.
And, no, Joe did not defund and remove any Bird Flu Pandemic Prevention teams against all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid and then spend a critical year lying about it to thereby usher in and exacerbate Bird Flu the way Trump ushered in and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic. It spreads into effective pandemics due to uncontrollable worldwide Bird migration.
[B]Egg prices may soon 'flirt with record highs,' supplier says. Here's why.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/12/why-egg-prices-may-soon-flirt-with-record-highs-supplier.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]There are two primary reasons for the surge: bird flu, which has reduced egg supply, and the strong consumer demand thats typical around the winter holiday season, according to economists and market analysts.
..........
[B]How a serious bird flu outbreak is affecting egg prices[/b]
Now, as in 2022-23, highly pathogenic avian influenza better known as bird flu is a big culprit.
Bird flu is a highly contagious and lethal disease among birds, including chickens. The U.S. is in the midst of a serious outbreak, Moscogiuri said.
The disease entered the U.S. in late 2021 and has lingered, experts said. Prior to that, the last time bird flu had impacted egg-laying chickens at commercial farms was in 2015, Moscogiuri said.[/QUOTE][B]What is bird flu and how worried should I be about a pandemic?[/B]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63464065[/URL]
[QUOTE]H5N1 has been on scientists' radar for the past few years, with the virus spreading across all continents. Thousands of outbreaks have been recorded in poultry and wild birds.
There have been outbreaks in animals farmed for their fur, including mink.
In late 2023 in Peru, more than 5,000 sea lions died with the virus, which scientists say was caused by the animals' direct contact with infected wild birds.
There have been outbreaks in animals farmed for their fur, including mink.
In late 2023 in Peru, more than 5,000 sea lions died with the virus, which scientists say was caused by the animals' direct contact with infected wild birds.
The virus has also been detected in foxes, bears, otters, raccoons, cats, dogs, goats and others.
"It's a virus that's on the march so we've been watching it with concern for that reason," says Dr Ed Hutchinson, Senior Lecturer, MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research.[/QUOTE]However, sure enough, in Trump's zeal to embrace and exacerbate any available "Once in 100 Years" typical and common Repub Disaster, his nominee for Secretary of Health and Human Brain-eating Worms appears to be poised to promote everything necessary to usher in a Bird Flu Pandemic among humans:
[B]Vaccines, fluoride, raw milk: How RFK Jr.s views may shape public health.
Kennedys debunked claims on many public health topics make him a controversial pick to lead HHS[/B]
[URL]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rfk-vaccines-fluoride-autism-milk-covid[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]Fact: Microbes in raw milk can make people sick[/b]
Whats more, genetic traces of bird flu have shown up in milk amid an outbreak in U.S. dairy cows (SN: 4/25/24). While pasteurization kills the virus, it could stick around in raw milk and pose an infection risk. Mice that consume virus-spiked milk can get infected with bird flu, for example, suggesting humans might be at risk, too.[/QUOTE]Therefore, let us all pray to whatever religious denomination totem suits us that Trump's Magic Words can not only reduce the cost of eggs and egg-related "groceries", with an appreciative nod to him for being the first person to ever use that word, but that he can also wave his Magic Wand and clear RFK Jr's raw milk recommendation of any traces of Bird Flu Virus that might trigger Trump's Pandemic Part 2.
Oh, and to prevent the total national health disaster RFK Jr's other Loony stances are sure to usher in. See the full report and list of horrors in the link above.
[QUOTE=Trifecta68;2967922]Wood, Love your Patriotic Post! Just hoping Trump & His Team can execute thru the criminal cartel of Democrat governance. I could go on with hundreds of other issues, but this board is not for that.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2024/12/12/nolte-lesley-stahl-van-jones-extremely-worried-death-corporate-media-influence/[/URL]
Thanks Scumbag Joe.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2967936]Tiny's heroes:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Milton_Friedman.jpg[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Margaret-Thatcher[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYPNsTpO4Y[/URL]
Tooms' heroes:
[URL]https://people.com/politics/jimmy-carter-life-in-pictures/[/URL]
[URL]https://x.com/econjared?lang=en[/URL]
[URL]https://sandersinstitute.org/fellows/dr-stephanie-kelton[/URL]
Sirioja's heroes:
[URL]https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/thomas-piketty-interview-inequality-book-covid/[/URL]
[URL]https://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/Saez_photopage_8_1.html[/URL]
[URL]https://gabriel-zucman.eu/bio/[/URL]
Two of Sirioja's three heroes moved moved to the USA because the economy in France sucked. Kind of like California progressives who move to Austin, Texas.
The Marquis' heroes:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/30/bernie-sanders-mittens-viral-biden-inaugu-brendan-smialowskis-best-photograph[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Juan-Peron[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx[/URL][/QUOTE]Donald Trump is a living GOD.
[QUOTE=Trifecta68;2967922]Wood, Love your Patriotic Post! Just hoping Trump & His Team can execute thru the criminal cartel of Democrat governance. I could go on with hundreds of other issues, but this board is not for that.[/QUOTE]Thats exactly what this thread is for.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2967702]Shame on you. You claim to love Russia and you don t know Russians and Ukrainians are brothers, with many mixed families, children who have parents Russian and Ukrainian. And more than 1 million dead and misery, Putin even killing babies and children. Urgent to erase him.[/QUOTE]I don't support the war, I only support the Russians winning it!!
I am Anti-War unless it directly involves Xi Jinping.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/provoked-long-train-abuses-culminated-ukraine-war[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/609361-trump-eu-nightmare-punishment/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/608809-trenin-russia-win-ukraine/[/URL]
I want you to send your sons when Macron conscripts them.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2967936]Tiny's heroes:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Milton_Friedman.jpg[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Margaret-Thatcher[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYPNsTpO4Y[/URL]
Tooms' heroes:
[URL]https://people.com/politics/jimmy-carter-life-in-pictures/[/URL]
[URL]https://x.com/econjared?lang=en[/URL]
[URL]https://sandersinstitute.org/fellows/dr-stephanie-kelton[/URL]
Sirioja's heroes:
[URL]https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/thomas-piketty-interview-inequality-book-covid/[/URL]
[URL]https://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/Saez_photopage_8_1.html[/URL]
[URL]https://gabriel-zucman.eu/bio/[/URL]
Two of Sirioja's three heroes moved moved to the USA because the economy in France sucked. Kind of like California progressives who move to Austin, Texas.
The Marquis' heroes:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/30/bernie-sanders-mittens-viral-biden-inaugu-brendan-smialowskis-best-photograph[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Juan-Peron[/URL]
[URL]https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Marx[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/china-trump-us-rivalry.html[/URL]
Trump's Way Could Win the Contest With China Once and for All.
Nov. 14,2024.
An image shows the arms of then-president Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping extended for a handshake against a backdrop representing the Chinese and American flags.
Credit. Damir Sagolj / Reuters.
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By Craig Singleton.
Mr. Singleton is a China analyst and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington.
Donald Trump's first term signaled a historic shift in USA Policy toward China. His strategic blend of economic pressure, unpredictability, sanctions and tariffs knocked Beijing off balance. It was a turning point: Washington moved from passive acceptance of China's revisionist ambitions to assertive opposition. The Biden administration has wisely maintained and in some cases expanded on this framework.
Mr. Trump's second term could help America to win this strategic contest altogether.
China faces an array of challenges, especially a stagnating economy, making it vulnerable to the president-elect's assertive tactics. If Mr. Trump can couple the blustery style of his first term with a more focused strategy and tighter discipline, the next four years are a golden opportunity to keep Beijing on the defensive and permanently transform the rivalry in America's favor.
For China, the ideal outcome in the USA Election would have been another four years of the Biden-Harris administration's cautious approach. Although President Biden maintained targeted pressure on Beijing, his emphasis on theιtente and aversion to escalation would have afforded China's leader, Xi Jinping, the predictability he needs to address his domestic troubles and advance China's ambitions in critical areas such as technology, trade and the future of Taiwan.
But Mr. Trump isn't content with merely managing the competition with Beijing. He aims to win it. His zero-sum approach and unconventional tactics as well as an emerging cabinet of China hawks are likely to deny Mr. Xi the breathing room he desperately needs and push the Chinese leader into a high-stakes test of wills he cannot easily control or predict.
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Despite a decade of projecting outward strength, China is, in fact, a declining power, its rise having been undone by Mr. Xi's mismanagement, heavy-handed repression and strategic blunders. The country faces crippling debt, record-high youth unemployment and a shrinking, rapidly aging population. His ideology-driven approach, which places the Chinese Communist Party at the heart of economic decision making, has eroded business confidence, spurred capital flight and led to unprecedented drops in foreign investment. China's era of sky-high growth is giving way to a stagnation reminiscent of Japan's so-called lost decade, a period of deflation and economic inertia from which Japan has yet to fully recover. Even Mr. Xi cautioned citizens last year to be prepared to "eat bitterness," a Chinese phrase signaling hard times ahead.
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The USA Economy, meanwhile, is gaining momentum, and Mr. Trump who views China's centrally planned, manufacturing-heavy model as predatory and harmful to American workers seems ready to aggressively leverage USA Strength, as he did in his first term. He has proposed tariffs as high as 60 percent on Chinese imports, which, according to some estimates, could shave up to two percentage points off China's gross domestic product.
The bluster and brinkmanship of Mr. Trump's first term could also prove invaluable regarding Taiwan. Mr. Xi's goal is to bring the democratically ruled island under Chinese rule, by force if necessary. Mr. Trump, however, is threatening tariffs as high as 200 percent on Chinese goods if China takes military action. The president-elect summed up the situation best when he noted last month that Mr. Xi wouldn't dare provoke him over Taiwan because the Chinese leader knows that he's "crazy. ".
Chinese anxiety over Mr. Trump's return is already surfacing. During the Biden administration, Beijing often struck a defiant tone, accusing the United States of encirclement and containment. But after Mr. Trump's decisive election victory, Chinese leaders quickly struck a more conciliatory tone, calling for peaceful coexistence and a new era of cooperation.
But America must build on today's momentum, especially in the high-stakes contest with China over critical technologies such as semiconductors, artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles and quantum computing the engines of tomorrow's industrial revolution. Allowing China to seize the lead would dangerously tilt global power dynamics in its favor, undermining USA National security. Mr. Trump recognizes this risk and has signaled he would probably intensify tariffs, export controls and sanctions on China's tech and manufacturing sectors that have already hindered the country's economy and its potential for innovation. He may also champion tighter screening of USA Investments in China's tech sector, a strategy that has bipartisan support and could impede China's development and deployment of advanced military capabilities.
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Mr. Xi is pinning China's economic hopes on an outdated, state-subsidized manufacturing-for-export model. But this strategy is highly vulnerable to USA Tariffs. Mr. Xi might appeal to Mr. Trump's deal-making instincts by offering selective concessions to blunt the impact of tariffs, but these are unlikely to sway Mr. Trump for long.
Mr. Xi has tools of his own that he can use, but nearly all of them are risky. He could shore up his economy by cutting interest rates, extending tax rebates or further subsidizing exporters. But these are short-term remedies that are likely to worsen long-term economic instability by inflating China's staggering debt, which is currently estimated to be nearly three times the size of the country's G. The. P. Striking back with his own tariffs could ignite a trade war that affects USA Consumers, but Mr. Trump has shown a readiness to absorb short-term political costs for strategic gain, and polls indicate that most Americans support his tariff threats.
Mr. Xi could retaliate by restricting USA Companies' access to Chinese markets, but that may further unsettle foreign investors already wary of China's economic trajectory. Curbing Chinese exports of minerals essential for high-tech manufacturing could also backfire by accelerating USA -led efforts to secure alternative sources. Devaluing the Chinese currency would make the country's exports cheaper, offsetting the impact of tariffs. But it is likely to accelerate capital flight and strain relations with other trade partners.
As a last resort, Mr. Xi could escalate tensions over Taiwan or in the South China Sea, but that risks galvanizing USA Alliances and inviting a stronger American military presence in the region.
To fully capitalize on China's current vulnerabilities and secure lasting American advantages, the next Trump administration must recognize the historic opportunity it faces. Today's international landscape echoes the latter stages of the Cold War, when President Ronald Reagan confronted a weakening Soviet Union and hastened its collapse by forcing Moscow to make costly resource allocation decisions that ultimately bankrupted it. This isn't to suggest America's goal with China should be regime change; rather, the United States should aim beyond mere coexistence. It should confidently wield the moral and economic strength of its democratic model until China's leaders and people recognize that their system is unsustainable and embrace a freer and less hostile path.
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But achieving lasting success will require more than pressuring China for pressure's sake. It will demand a wider peace-through-strength approach that combines American domestic renewal, enhanced military spending, entrepreneurial dynamism and, critically, the alliance network that Mr. Biden revitalized across Asia and Europe. The incoming administration needs to grasp that this is a crucial piece of the puzzle in confronting China and ensure that a renewed "America First" approach focuses on fair burden sharing among allies rather than excessive tariffs on allies or questioning American commitments to mutual defense arrangements. These would only undermine deterrence and create diplomatic rifts that China would be quick to exploit.
Mr. Trump's bold style isn't for the fainthearted. In a time of fierce global competition, he sees balance as weakness and coexistence as capitulation. Yet if he can draw from past lessons, engage with our allies and stay disciplined, he just might be crazy enough to confront China and win.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967985]I don't support the war, I only support the Russians winning it!!
I am Anti-War unless it directly involves Xi Jinping.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/provoked-long-train-abuses-culminated-ukraine-war[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/609361-trump-eu-nightmare-punishment/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/608809-trenin-russia-win-ukraine/[/URL]
I want you to send your sons when Macron conscripts them.[/QUOTE]Ukrainians are fully right to defend their country and freedom, and when I love Russia, but hate Putin, I will always support Ukrainians versus criminal Putin. Same like if China attacked USA, they would eat You with their 1,4 billions, when You lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan versus rats, when they will start eating You for economics strength, when senile Trump will fuck You.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2967981]Donald Trump is a living GOD.[/QUOTE]When more difficult to shoot his ear than his senile big head, we could wonder if not organized just to make believing so many low brained in USA, who think they elected a lying god. They may experience how new god will fuck them, I would then laugh a lot.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2968080][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/china-trump-us-rivalry.html[/URL]
Trump's Way Could Win the Contest With China Once and for All.
Nov. 14,2024.
An image shows the arms of then-president Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping extended for a handshake against a backdrop representing the Chinese and American flags.
Credit. Damir Sagolj / Reuters.
Share full article.
418.
By Craig Singleton.
Mr. Singleton is a China analyst and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington.
Donald Trump's first term signaled a historic shift in USA Policy toward China. His strategic blend of economic pressure, unpredictability, sanctions and tariffs knocked Beijing off balance. It was a turning point: Washington moved from passive acceptance of China's revisionist ambitions to assertive opposition. The Biden administration has wisely maintained and in some cases expanded on this framework.
Mr. Trump's second term could help America to win this strategic contest altogether.
China faces an array of challenges, especially a stagnating economy, making it vulnerable to the president-elect's assertive tactics. If Mr. Trump can couple the blustery style of his first term with a more focused strategy and tighter discipline, the next four years are a golden opportunity to keep Beijing on the defensive and permanently transform the rivalry in America's favor.
For China, the ideal outcome in the USA Election would have been another four years of the Biden-Harris administration's cautious approach. Although President Biden maintained targeted pressure on Beijing, his emphasis on thetente and aversion to escalation would have afforded China's leader, Xi Jinping, the predictability he needs to address his domestic troubles and advance China's ambitions in critical areas such as technology, trade and the future of Taiwan.
But Mr. Trump isn't content with merely managing the competition with Beijing. He aims to win it. His zero-sum approach and unconventional tactics as well as an emerging cabinet of China hawks are likely to deny Mr. Xi the breathing room he desperately needs and push the Chinese leader into a high-stakes test of wills he cannot easily control or predict.
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Despite a decade of projecting outward strength, China is, in fact, a declining power, its rise having been undone by Mr. Xi's mismanagement, heavy-handed repression and strategic blunders. The country faces crippling debt, record-high youth unemployment and a shrinking, rapidly aging population. His ideology-driven approach, which places the Chinese Communist Party at the heart of economic decision making, has eroded business confidence, spurred capital flight and led to unprecedented drops in foreign investment. China's era of sky-high growth is giving way to a stagnation reminiscent of Japan's so-called lost decade, a period of deflation and economic inertia from which Japan has yet to fully recover. Even Mr. Xi cautioned citizens last year to be prepared to "eat bitterness," a Chinese phrase signaling hard times ahead.
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The USA Economy, meanwhile, is gaining momentum, and Mr. Trump who views China's centrally planned, manufacturing-heavy model as predatory and harmful to American workers seems ready to aggressively leverage USA Strength, as he did in his first term. He has proposed tariffs as high as 60 percent on Chinese imports, which, according to some estimates, could shave up to two percentage points off China's gross domestic product.
The bluster and brinkmanship of Mr. Trump's first term could also prove invaluable regarding Taiwan. Mr. Xi's goal is to bring the democratically ruled island under Chinese rule, by force if necessary. Mr. Trump, however, is threatening tariffs as high as 200 percent on Chinese goods if China takes military action. The president-elect summed up the situation best when he noted last month that Mr. Xi wouldn't dare provoke him over Taiwan because the Chinese leader knows that he's "crazy. ".
Chinese anxiety over Mr. Trump's return is already surfacing. During the Biden administration, Beijing often struck a defiant tone, accusing the United States of encirclement and containment. But after Mr. Trump's decisive election victory, Chinese leaders quickly struck a more conciliatory tone, calling for peaceful coexistence and a new era of cooperation.
But America must build on today's momentum, especially in the high-stakes contest with China over critical technologies such as semiconductors, artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles and quantum computing the engines of tomorrow's industrial revolution. Allowing China to seize the lead would dangerously tilt global power dynamics in its favor, undermining USA National security. Mr. Trump recognizes this risk and has signaled he would probably intensify tariffs, export controls and sanctions on China's tech and manufacturing sectors that have already hindered the country's economy and its potential for innovation. He may also champion tighter screening of USA Investments in China's tech sector, a strategy that has bipartisan support and could impede China's development and deployment of advanced military capabilities.
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Mr. Xi is pinning China's economic hopes on an outdated, state-subsidized manufacturing-for-export model. But this strategy is highly vulnerable to USA Tariffs. Mr. Xi might appeal to Mr. Trump's deal-making instincts by offering selective concessions to blunt the impact of tariffs, but these are unlikely to sway Mr. Trump for long.
Mr. Xi has tools of his own that he can use, but nearly all of them are risky. He could shore up his economy by cutting interest rates, extending tax rebates or further subsidizing exporters. But these are short-term remedies that are likely to worsen long-term economic instability by inflating China's staggering debt, which is currently estimated to be nearly three times the size of the country's G. The. P. Striking back with his own tariffs could ignite a trade war that affects USA Consumers, but Mr. Trump has shown a readiness to absorb short-term political costs for strategic gain, and polls indicate that most Americans support his tariff threats.
Mr. Xi could retaliate by restricting USA Companies' access to Chinese markets, but that may further unsettle foreign investors already wary of China's economic trajectory. Curbing Chinese exports of minerals essential for high-tech manufacturing could also backfire by accelerating USA -led efforts to secure alternative sources. Devaluing the Chinese currency would make the country's exports cheaper, offsetting the impact of tariffs. But it is likely to accelerate capital flight and strain relations with other trade partners.
As a last resort, Mr. Xi could escalate tensions over Taiwan or in the South China Sea, but that risks galvanizing USA Alliances and inviting a stronger American military presence in the region.
To fully capitalize on China's current vulnerabilities and secure lasting American advantages, the next Trump administration must recognize the historic opportunity it faces. Today's international landscape echoes the latter stages of the Cold War, when President Ronald Reagan confronted a weakening Soviet Union and hastened its collapse by forcing Moscow to make costly resource allocation decisions that ultimately bankrupted it. This isn't to suggest America's goal with China should be regime change; rather, the United States should aim beyond mere coexistence. It should confidently wield the moral and economic strength of its democratic model until China's leaders and people recognize that their system is unsustainable and embrace a freer and less hostile path.
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But achieving lasting success will require more than pressuring China for pressure's sake. It will demand a wider peace-through-strength approach that combines American domestic renewal, enhanced military spending, entrepreneurial dynamism and, critically, the alliance network that Mr. Biden revitalized across Asia and Europe. The incoming administration needs to grasp that this is a crucial piece of the puzzle in confronting China and ensure that a renewed "America First" approach focuses on fair burden sharing among allies rather than excessive tariffs on allies or questioning American commitments to mutual defense arrangements. These would only undermine deterrence and create diplomatic rifts that China would be quick to exploit.
Mr. Trump's bold style isn't for the fainthearted. In a time of fierce global competition, he sees balance as weakness and coexistence as capitulation. Yet if he can draw from past lessons, engage with our allies and stay disciplined, he just might be crazy enough to confront China and win.[/QUOTE][B]Trump's trade war on China was a failure in every possible way[/B]
[URL]https://www.axios.com/2021/02/01/trump-trade-war-china-failure[/URL]
[B]China bought none of the extra $200 billion of US exports in Trump's Trade Deal[/B]
[URL]https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2022/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal[/URL]
[B]More pain than gain: How the US-China trade war hurt America[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/[/URL]
[B]Trumps Trade War Was a Loser.
Tariffs destroyed jobs in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and made all Americans worse off.[/B]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-trade-war-was-a-loser-employment-manufacturing-international-economy-tariffs-unemployment-9d8a7c7c[/URL]
[B]Trump Advisor Admits Trade War Against China Failed.
In an interview, former National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien admitted that "the Chinese didnt honor" the terms of the deal, years after it was clear.[/B]
[URL]https://reason.com/2024/06/19/trump-advisor-admits-trade-war-against-china-failed/[/URL]
[B]Trumps trade war was a total flop[/B]
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-trade-war-was-a-total-flop-224150586.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2968116]Ukrainians are fully right to defend their country and freedom, and when I love Russia, but hate Putin, I will always support Ukrainians versus criminal Putin. Same like if China attacked USA, they would eat You with their 1,4 billions, when You lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan versus rats, when they will start eating You for economics strength, when senile Trump will fuck You.[/QUOTE]But even for you this post is to much ROTFLMMFAO.
[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/prices-won-t-stop-falling-in-china-and-beijing-is-grasping-for-solutions/ar-AA1vQ2J2[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/china-trump-us-rivalry.html[/URL]
Trump's Way Could Win the Contest With China Once and for All.
Nov. 14,2024.
An image shows the arms of then-president Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping extended for a handshake against a backdrop representing the Chinese and American flags.
Credit. Damir Sagolj / Reuters.
Share full article.
418.
By Craig Singleton.
Mr. Singleton is a China analyst and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington.
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Donald Trump's first term signaled a historic shift in USA Policy toward China. His strategic blend of economic pressure, unpredictability, sanctions and tariffs knocked Beijing off balance. It was a turning point: Washington moved from passive acceptance of China's revisionist ambitions to assertive opposition. The Biden administration has wisely maintained and in some cases expanded on this framework.
Mr. Trump's second term could help America to win this strategic contest altogether.
China faces an array of challenges, especially a stagnating economy, making it vulnerable to the president-elect's assertive tactics. If Mr. Trump can couple the blustery style of his first term with a more focused strategy and tighter discipline, the next four years are a golden opportunity to keep Beijing on the defensive and permanently transform the rivalry in America's favor.
For China, the ideal outcome in the USA Election would have been another four years of the Biden-Harris administration's cautious approach. Although President Biden maintained targeted pressure on Beijing, his emphasis on theιtente and aversion to escalation would have afforded China's leader, Xi Jinping, the predictability he needs to address his domestic troubles and advance China's ambitions in critical areas such as technology, trade and the future of Taiwan.
But Mr. Trump isn't content with merely managing the competition with Beijing. He aims to win it. His zero-sum approach and unconventional tactics as well as an emerging cabinet of China hawks are likely to deny Mr. Xi the breathing room he desperately needs and push the Chinese leader into a high-stakes test of wills he cannot easily control or predict.
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Despite a decade of projecting outward strength, China is, in fact, a declining power, its rise having been undone by Mr. Xi's mismanagement, heavy-handed repression and strategic blunders. The country faces crippling debt, record-high youth unemployment and a shrinking, rapidly aging population. His ideology-driven approach, which places the Chinese Communist Party at the heart of economic decision making, has eroded business confidence, spurred capital flight and led to unprecedented drops in foreign investment. China's era of sky-high growth is giving way to a stagnation reminiscent of Japan's so-called lost decade, a period of deflation and economic inertia from which Japan has yet to fully recover. Even Mr. Xi cautioned citizens last year to be prepared to "eat bitterness," a Chinese phrase signaling hard times ahead.
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The USA Economy, meanwhile, is gaining momentum, and Mr. Trump who views China's centrally planned, manufacturing-heavy model as predatory and harmful to American workers seems ready to aggressively leverage USA Strength, as he did in his first term. He has proposed tariffs as high as 60 percent on Chinese imports, which, according to some estimates, could shave up to two percentage points off China's gross domestic product.
The bluster and brinkmanship of Mr. Trump's first term could also prove invaluable regarding Taiwan. Mr. Xi's goal is to bring the democratically ruled island under Chinese rule, by force if necessary. Mr. Trump, however, is threatening tariffs as high as 200 percent on Chinese goods if China takes military action. The president-elect summed up the situation best when he noted last month that Mr. Xi wouldn't dare provoke him over Taiwan because the Chinese leader knows that he's "crazy. ".
Chinese anxiety over Mr. Trump's return is already surfacing. During the Biden administration, Beijing often struck a defiant tone, accusing the United States of encirclement and containment. But after Mr. Trump's decisive election victory, Chinese leaders quickly struck a more conciliatory tone, calling for peaceful coexistence and a new era of cooperation.
But America must build on today's momentum, especially in the high-stakes contest with China over critical technologies such as semiconductors, artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles and quantum computing the engines of tomorrow's industrial revolution. Allowing China to seize the lead would dangerously tilt global power dynamics in its favor, undermining USA National security. Mr. Trump recognizes this risk and has signaled he would probably intensify tariffs, export controls and sanctions on China's tech and manufacturing sectors that have already hindered the country's economy and its potential for innovation. He may also champion tighter screening of USA Investments in China's tech sector, a strategy that has bipartisan support and could impede China's development and deployment of advanced military capabilities.
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Mr. Xi is pinning China's economic hopes on an outdated, state-subsidized manufacturing-for-export model. But this strategy is highly vulnerable to USA Tariffs. Mr. Xi might appeal to Mr. Trump's deal-making instincts by offering selective concessions to blunt the impact of tariffs, but these are unlikely to sway Mr. Trump for long.
Mr. Xi has tools of his own that he can use, but nearly all of them are risky. He could shore up his economy by cutting interest rates, extending tax rebates or further subsidizing exporters. But these are short-term remedies that are likely to worsen long-term economic instability by inflating China's staggering debt, which is currently estimated to be nearly three times the size of the country's G. The. P. Striking back with his own tariffs could ignite a trade war that affects USA Consumers, but Mr. Trump has shown a readiness to absorb short-term political costs for strategic gain, and polls indicate that most Americans support his tariff threats.
Mr. Xi could retaliate by restricting USA Companies' access to Chinese markets, but that may further unsettle foreign investors already wary of China's economic trajectory. Curbing Chinese exports of minerals essential for high-tech manufacturing could also backfire by accelerating USA -led efforts to secure alternative sources. Devaluing the Chinese currency would make the country's exports cheaper, offsetting the impact of tariffs. But it is likely to accelerate capital flight and strain relations with other trade partners.
As a last resort, Mr. Xi could escalate tensions over Taiwan or in the South China Sea, but that risks galvanizing USA Alliances and inviting a stronger American military presence in the region.
To fully capitalize on China's current vulnerabilities and secure lasting American advantages, the next Trump administration must recognize the historic opportunity it faces. Today's international landscape echoes the latter stages of the Cold War, when President Ronald Reagan confronted a weakening Soviet Union and hastened its collapse by forcing Moscow to make costly resource allocation decisions that ultimately bankrupted it. This isn't to suggest America's goal with China should be regime change; rather, the United States should aim beyond mere coexistence. It should confidently wield the moral and economic strength of its democratic model until China's leaders and people recognize that their system is unsustainable and embrace a freer and less hostile path.
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But achieving lasting success will require more than pressuring China for pressure's sake. It will demand a wider peace-through-strength approach that combines American domestic renewal, enhanced military spending, entrepreneurial dynamism and, critically, the alliance network that Mr. Biden revitalized across Asia and Europe. The incoming administration needs to grasp that this is a crucial piece of the puzzle in confronting China and ensure that a renewed "America First" approach focuses on fair burden sharing among allies rather than excessive tariffs on allies or questioning American commitments to mutual defense arrangements. These would only undermine deterrence and create diplomatic rifts that China would be quick to exploit.
Mr. Trump's bold style isn't for the fainthearted. In a time of fierce global competition, he sees balance as weakness and coexistence as capitulation. Yet if he can draw from past lessons, engage with our allies and stay disciplined, he just might be crazy enough to confront China and win.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2967940]Mine were the only ones who actually produced historic economic recoveries and job gains.
Thank you.
Yours?
Margaret Thatcher:
Typical of the "conservative" Repub presidential results in the USA. Seems to the pattern of "conservative" economic philosophies and agendas worldwide and throughout history.
All of the others are a joke; fanciful, lazy academic theories that fail miserably in the Real World.[/QUOTE]In the Spirit of Christmas, I offered up the Ghost of Democrat Past (Jimmy Carter), Ghost of Democrat Present (Jared Bernstein who ramrodded Biden's economic program) and Ghost of Democrat Future (Stephanie Kelton, the "go to" economist for the Squad and other upcoming progressives.) Ebenezer Scrooge had no reason to freak out after visits from the ghosts of Christmas Past and Present. But he had an extreme change of outlook after he knew what was coming down the pike. And so should you dear Tooms. At such time as the new breed of Democrats come to control America for an extended period, there will be hell to pay. The Modern Monetary Theorists, like Stephanie Kelton, believe deficits and debt do not matter and the size of government should grow, grow, grow.
Using Zimbabwe as a model for monetary and fiscal policy is not wise.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2968080][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/china-trump-us-rivalry.html[/URL]
Trump's Way Could Win the Contest With China Once and for All.
Nov. 14,2024.
An image shows the arms of then-president Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping extended for a handshake against a backdrop representing the Chinese and American flags.
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By Craig Singleton.
Mr. Singleton is a China analyst and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington.
Donald Trump's first term signaled a historic shift in USA Policy toward China. His strategic blend of economic pressure, unpredictability, sanctions and tariffs knocked Beijing off balance. It was a turning point: Washington moved from passive acceptance of China's revisionist ambitions to assertive opposition. The Biden administration has wisely maintained and in some cases expanded on this framework.
Mr. Trump's second term could help America to win this strategic contest altogether.
China faces an array of challenges, especially a stagnating economy, making it vulnerable to the president-elect's assertive tactics. If Mr. Trump can couple the blustery style of his first term with a more focused strategy and tighter discipline, the next four years are a golden opportunity to keep Beijing on the defensive and permanently transform the rivalry in America's favor.
For China, the ideal outcome in the USA Election would have been another four years of the Biden-Harris administration's cautious approach. Although President Biden maintained targeted pressure on Beijing, his emphasis on thetente and aversion to escalation would have afforded China's leader, Xi Jinping, the predictability he needs to address his domestic troubles and advance China's ambitions in critical areas such as technology, trade and the future of Taiwan.
But Mr. Trump isn't content with merely managing the competition with Beijing. He aims to win it. His zero-sum approach and unconventional tactics as well as an emerging cabinet of China hawks are likely to deny Mr. Xi the breathing room he desperately needs and push the Chinese leader into a high-stakes test of wills he cannot easily control or predict.
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Despite a decade of projecting outward strength, China is, in fact, a declining power, its rise having been undone by Mr. Xi's mismanagement, heavy-handed repression and strategic blunders. The country faces crippling debt, record-high youth unemployment and a shrinking, rapidly aging population. His ideology-driven approach, which places the Chinese Communist Party at the heart of economic decision making, has eroded business confidence, spurred capital flight and led to unprecedented drops in foreign investment. China's era of sky-high growth is giving way to a stagnation reminiscent of Japan's so-called lost decade, a period of deflation and economic inertia from which Japan has yet to fully recover. Even Mr. Xi cautioned citizens last year to be prepared to "eat bitterness," a Chinese phrase signaling hard times ahead.
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The USA Economy, meanwhile, is gaining momentum, and Mr. Trump who views China's centrally planned, manufacturing-heavy model as predatory and harmful to American workers seems ready to aggressively leverage USA Strength, as he did in his first term. He has proposed tariffs as high as 60 percent on Chinese imports, which, according to some estimates, could shave up to two percentage points off China's gross domestic product.
The bluster and brinkmanship of Mr. Trump's first term could also prove invaluable regarding Taiwan. Mr. Xi's goal is to bring the democratically ruled island under Chinese rule, by force if necessary. Mr. Trump, however, is threatening tariffs as high as 200 percent on Chinese goods if China takes military action. The president-elect summed up the situation best when he noted last month that Mr. Xi wouldn't dare provoke him over Taiwan because the Chinese leader knows that he's "crazy. ".
Chinese anxiety over Mr. Trump's return is already surfacing. During the Biden administration, Beijing often struck a defiant tone, accusing the United States of encirclement and containment. But after Mr. Trump's decisive election victory, Chinese leaders quickly struck a more conciliatory tone, calling for peaceful coexistence and a new era of cooperation.
But America must build on today's momentum, especially in the high-stakes contest with China over critical technologies such as semiconductors, artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles and quantum computing the engines of tomorrow's industrial revolution. Allowing China to seize the lead would dangerously tilt global power dynamics in its favor, undermining USA National security. Mr. Trump recognizes this risk and has signaled he would probably intensify tariffs, export controls and sanctions on China's tech and manufacturing sectors that have already hindered the country's economy and its potential for innovation. He may also champion tighter screening of USA Investments in China's tech sector, a strategy that has bipartisan support and could impede China's development and deployment of advanced military capabilities.
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Mr. Xi is pinning China's economic hopes on an outdated, state-subsidized manufacturing-for-export model. But this strategy is highly vulnerable to USA Tariffs. Mr. Xi might appeal to Mr. Trump's deal-making instincts by offering selective concessions to blunt the impact of tariffs, but these are unlikely to sway Mr. Trump for long.
Mr. Xi has tools of his own that he can use, but nearly all of them are risky. He could shore up his economy by cutting interest rates, extending tax rebates or further subsidizing exporters. But these are short-term remedies that are likely to worsen long-term economic instability by inflating China's staggering debt, which is currently estimated to be nearly three times the size of the country's G. The. P. Striking back with his own tariffs could ignite a trade war that affects USA Consumers, but Mr. Trump has shown a readiness to absorb short-term political costs for strategic gain, and polls indicate that most Americans support his tariff threats.
Mr. Xi could retaliate by restricting USA Companies' access to Chinese markets, but that may further unsettle foreign investors already wary of China's economic trajectory. Curbing Chinese exports of minerals essential for high-tech manufacturing could also backfire by accelerating USA -led efforts to secure alternative sources. Devaluing the Chinese currency would make the country's exports cheaper, offsetting the impact of tariffs. But it is likely to accelerate capital flight and strain relations with other trade partners.
As a last resort, Mr. Xi could escalate tensions over Taiwan or in the South China Sea, but that risks galvanizing USA Alliances and inviting a stronger American military presence in the region.
To fully capitalize on China's current vulnerabilities and secure lasting American advantages, the next Trump administration must recognize the historic opportunity it faces. Today's international landscape echoes the latter stages of the Cold War, when President Ronald Reagan confronted a weakening Soviet Union and hastened its collapse by forcing Moscow to make costly resource allocation decisions that ultimately bankrupted it. This isn't to suggest America's goal with China should be regime change; rather, the United States should aim beyond mere coexistence. It should confidently wield the moral and economic strength of its democratic model until China's leaders and people recognize that their system is unsustainable and embrace a freer and less hostile path.
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But achieving lasting success will require more than pressuring China for pressure's sake. It will demand a wider peace-through-strength approach that combines American domestic renewal, enhanced military spending, entrepreneurial dynamism and, critically, the alliance network that Mr. Biden revitalized across Asia and Europe. The incoming administration needs to grasp that this is a crucial piece of the puzzle in confronting China and ensure that a renewed "America First" approach focuses on fair burden sharing among allies rather than excessive tariffs on allies or questioning American commitments to mutual defense arrangements. These would only undermine deterrence and create diplomatic rifts that China would be quick to exploit.
Mr. Trump's bold style isn't for the fainthearted. In a time of fierce global competition, he sees balance as weakness and coexistence as capitulation. Yet if he can draw from past lessons, engage with our allies and stay disciplined, he just might be crazy enough to confront China and win.[/QUOTE]The Chinese sent us clothes and cheap electronic items. And we sent them dollars which they invested in Treasury securities. Securities that became worth less because of high inflation, and negative real interest rates, during the Biden administration. It was a great deal! We got real stuff and they got paper! Now partly as a result of tariffs, the manufacture of clothes and cheap electronics is moving onto places like Bangladesh and Vietnam, and the Chinese are becoming higher value added manufacturers.
Meanwhile, as to products that really matter, like rare earth metals, neither Trump nor Biden did jack to try to make the USA more self sufficient. China still has us over a barrel.
BTW, other than tariffs and running up the national debt, I agree more with Trump on economic policy than you do.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2968116]....Same like if China attacked USA, they would eat You with their 1,4 billions, when You lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan versus rats, when they will start eating You for economics strength, when senile Trump will fuck You.[/QUOTE]Yeah, right. How many times has the USA bailed out France? World War I, World War II, and the Indochina War come to mind. If not for the USA, France would have been eaten multiple times. Actually I guess Hitler and Germany did swallow France. However, the United States forced him to throw you up and spit you out. And afterwards the USA paid toward rebuilding your country with the Marshall Plan.
Please note you lost in Vietnam too. As well as Algeria, Rwanda, Mali, Chad, the Central African Republic, Niger, and others.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968294]The Chinese sent us clothes and cheap electronic items. And we sent them dollars which they invested in Treasury securities. Securities that became worth less because of high inflation, and negative real interest rates, during the Biden administration. It was a great deal! We got real stuff and they got paper! Now partly as a result of tariffs, the manufacture of clothes and cheap electronics is moving onto places like Bangladesh and Vietnam, and the Chinese are becoming higher value added manufacturers.
Meanwhile, as to products that really matter, like rare earth metals, neither Trump nor Biden did jack to try to make the USA more self sufficient. China still has us over a barrel.
BTW, other than tariffs and running up the national debt, I agree more with Trump on economic policy than you do.[/QUOTE]"And we sent them dollars which they invested in Treasury securities".
So what about the nukes they have pointed at the west coast where did they get the money for them?
[URL]https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2024/10/24/china-leading-rapid-expansion-of-nuclear-arsenal-pentagon-says/[/URL]
BTW, other than tariffs and running up the national debt, I agree more with Trump on economic policy than you do.
Seriously? But you still voted for this thing with the loaded GUN? I really hope you're ashamed of yourself.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968294]The Chinese sent us clothes and cheap electronic items. And we sent them dollars which they invested in Treasury securities. Securities that became worth less because of high inflation, and negative real interest rates, during the Biden administration. It was a great deal! We got real stuff and they got paper! Now partly as a result of tariffs, the manufacture of clothes and cheap electronics is moving onto places like Bangladesh and Vietnam, and the Chinese are becoming higher value added manufacturers.
Meanwhile, as to products that really matter, like rare earth metals, neither Trump nor Biden did jack to try to make the USA more self sufficient. China still has us over a barrel.
BTW, other than tariffs and running up the national debt, I agree more with Trump on economic policy than you do.[/QUOTE]Now, what are we to learn from that little Trump's Failed Trade War With China story you have spun there?
That Trump's crap 2018 and 2019 negotiations led him to give China something real and valuable in exchange for junk but then he "brilliantly" ushered in and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic with all of the Millions of Deaths, Massive Jobs Destruction, Global Supply-Chain Collapse and, most importantly, Global Inflation that followed and did all of that just so China would ultimately be stuck with as much junk as China dumped in Trump's lap?
Or is it that Biden was the "brilliant" one in producing the best, fastest and most effective Recovery from Trump's Pandemic, which unavoidably produces some transitional Inflation, pulled America First but also the rest of the World out of Trump's Economic Disaster, averted a Domestic AND Global Depression / Recession and, oh as a bonus, contributed to converting the highly valuable loot they snatched right from under blithering numbskull Trump's nose into junk?
Either one provides a fascinating moral of the story you have spun there. Or is it some combination of the two?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968300]Yeah, right. How many times has the USA bailed out France? World War I, World War II, and the Indochina War come to mind. If not for the USA, France would have been eaten multiple times. Actually I guess Hitler and Germany did swallow France. However, the United States forced him to throw you up and spit you out. And afterwards the USA paid toward rebuilding your country with the Marshall Plan.
Please note you lost in Vietnam too. As well as Algeria, Rwanda, Mali, Chad, the Central African Republic, Niger, and others.[/QUOTE]USA make business with wars. Even when they lose, killing many of their young, but they make good money. Wars are part of USA business, when nothing is for free. Only economics war versus China could make falling USA business, when so easy to control, just matter of education. When I know Chinese products like their electric cars are cheaper, but I don t buy shit, I refuse chinese made phones proposed by my operator. Just matter of brain. I m not afraid of China, because they are not on my standard for quality and USA are also not, I would worry to take a Boeing and won t buy a Tesla. I prefer to buy European product, even more expensive, but higher quality and for sure, bullshiting Trump won t improve quality, when only making fog, he would play good Indian.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968292]In the Spirit of Christmas, I offered up the Ghost of Democrat Past (Jimmy Carter), Ghost of Democrat Present (Jared Bernstein who ramrodded Biden's economic program) and Ghost of Democrat Future (Stephanie Kelton, the "go to" economist for the Squad and other upcoming progressives.) Ebenezer Scrooge had no reason to freak out after visits from the ghosts of Christmas Past and Present. But he had an extreme change of outlook after he knew what was coming down the pike. And so should you dear Tooms. At such time as the new breed of Democrats come to control America for an extended period, there will be hell to pay. The Modern Monetary Theorists, like Stephanie Kelton, believe deficits and debt do not matter and the size of government should grow, grow, grow.
Using Zimbabwe as a model for monetary and fiscal policy is not wise.[/QUOTE]Is this scary GOP foretelling of Certain Dem Christmas Future Economic Doom anything like their foretelling of Certain Economic Doom if FDR enacted The New Deal, if JFK / LBJ cut middle and lower income tax rates disprortionately greater than the top income margin rate, if Carter required employers to offer the same 401 K deferred tax investment deal to the rank and file employees as those in the Executive Offices, if Bill Clinton passed the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act and raised the top marginal tax rate 2-3 percentage points, if Barack Obama passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and The Affordable Care Act, if Joe Biden passed the American Rescue Plan Act and The Inflation Reduction Act?
Or will it be as truly historically scary and horrific as the Great Repub Hoover Depression, the three Recessions and Historically Bad Jobs Creation Record under Repub Eisenhower, another way below average jobs creation record along with gas lines and inflation under Nixon / Ford, the Great Recession and 10 whopping months of 10% plus Unemployment Rates across his 3rd and 4th year in office while tripling the National Debt under Reagan, the next historically low jobs creation under GHW Bush, the 1st Recession and 2nd Great Recession and Massive Job losses under GW Bush and the Trillions deficit-adding Economic "stimulus" Legislation producing a million fewer jobs with it than without it, the failed Trade War and Tariffs that required him to issue emergency welfare checks to our agriculture and manufacturing industry just to keep them afloat along with the worst economic and national security decisions of all time leading directly to ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic and the 1 million American deaths, so far, the millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, the global supply-chain collapse, the hyper-inflation and opportunistic corporate price gouging under Donald Trump?
Because if it is anything like ALL of the former combined, I know I can go right back to sleep on Christmas Eve without a worry in the world.
But if it is anything like any ONE of the latter than that is a truly scary foretelling indeed and I might just stay up all night worrying about it.
83 mil in gold. They can afford it. That gold just strengthened their dollar. Hes going to be different this time. Hes taking it serious and different. You can see it.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2968305] [b] Are you drunk or just imitating Spidy and ET now [/b] [/QUOTE]I'm drunk! BAHAHAHAHAHA!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2968351]Is this scary GOP foretelling of Certain Dem Christmas Future Economic Doom anything like their foretelling of Certain Economic Doom if FDR enacted The New Deal, if JFK / LBJ cut middle and lower income tax rates disprortionately greater than the top income margin rate, if Carter required employers to offer the same 401 K deferred tax investment deal to the rank and file employees as those in the Executive Offices, if Bill Clinton passed the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act and raised the top marginal tax rate 2-3 percentage points, if Barack Obama passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and The Affordable Care Act, if Joe Biden passed the American Rescue Plan Act and The Inflation Reduction Act?
Or will it be as truly historically scary and horrific as the Great Repub Hoover Depression, the three Recessions and Historically Bad Jobs Creation Record under Repub Eisenhower, another way below average jobs creation record along with gas lines and inflation under Nixon / Ford, the Great Recession and 10 whopping months of 10% plus Unemployment Rates across his 3rd and 4th year in office while tripling the National Debt under Reagan, the next historically low jobs creation under GHW Bush, the 1st Recession and 2nd Great Recession and Massive Job losses under GW Bush and the Trillions deficit-adding Economic "stimulus" Legislation producing a million fewer jobs with it than without it, the failed Trade War and Tariffs that required him to issue emergency welfare checks to our agriculture and manufacturing industry just to keep them afloat along with the worst economic and national security decisions of all time leading directly to ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic and the 1 million American deaths, so far, the millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, the global supply-chain collapse, the hyper-inflation and opportunistic corporate price gouging under Donald Trump?
Because if it is anything like ALL of the former combined, I know I can go right back to sleep on Christmas Eve without a worry in the world.
But if it is anything like any ONE of the latter than that is a truly scary foretelling indeed and I might just stay up all night worrying about it.[/QUOTE]Bill Clinton, in his second term, did a pretty good job, thanks in no small part to Republicans who controlled Congress during that period. I'd go so far as to say he's the last really good president we've had.
As to Jimmy Carter's and Joe Biden's stewardship of economic policy, a majority of Americans agree with me. It sucked.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968504]Bill Clinton, in his second term, did a pretty good job, thanks in no small part to Republicans who controlled Congress during that period. [/QUOTE]That would be Newt Gingrich's Congress that threw every wrench, drill and screwdriver in the gears to obstruct and sabotage, and when they failed, claimed it was the Republican governors who lifted the economy [U]despite[/U] Clinton's efforts.
Sheesh!
Even when you're right, you're only half-right and that's being generous.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968504]Bill Clinton, in his second term, did a pretty good job, thanks in no small part to Republicans who controlled Congress during that period. I'd go so far as to say he's the last really good president we've had.
As to Jimmy Carter's and Joe Biden's stewardship of economic policy, a majority of Americans agree with me. It sucked.[/QUOTE]So was this fine and detailed understanding of the national economy by the American electorate why Nude Grinbitch went on to become a revered longterm Speaker of the House, so popular and appreciated for his "no small part" in triggering the unprecedented economic success and growth in America that, miraculously, firmly began several months BEFORE he and his Party's took majority control of the House that, after he had geen booted from office and had plenty of free time on his hands, they urged his Party to make him their nominee for President of the United States?
I mean, what with their clear understanding and appreciation that Carter's far and away better average annual jobs creation record (although even at that not as great as Biden's) vs the Repubs before and after him "sucked", they must have been running to the polls in the primaries to choose Nude Grinbitch as the Repub nominee soon after Bill Clinton's presidency in order to thank him for shutting down the government multiple times and lose the legislative battle against Clinton every time in his vain attempt to crash and reverse the historic economic growth that began under Clinton, his Dem House and Dem Senate in 1994, in a stark recovery from what came before.
Oh, and without a single Repub vote for the 1993 legislation that triggered it. And, again, at which point the American electorate demonstrated their clear and fine understanding of the national economy that they rewarded the Dems for that by replacing the Dem House and Senate Majority with a Repub Majority in November 1994.
You honestly think the current USA economy "sucks"? Lolol. Compared to what, where and when? You realize that flies in the face of every credible economic publication assessment at home and abroad as well as all available data and evidence, right?
Or, like the American electorate under Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Biden, et al, are you just aping what the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media spins into your mind about it regardless what the data and all available evidence shows? When was the last time you couldn't afford to buy a Bird Flu-inflation priced egg?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968504]Bill Clinton, in his second term, did a pretty good job, thanks in no small part to Republicans who controlled Congress during that period. I'd go so far as to say he's the last really good president we've had.
As to Jimmy Carter's and Joe Biden's stewardship of economic policy, a majority of Americans agree with me. It sucked.[/QUOTE]No guessing necessary you loved Scumbag Bubba doing NAFTA putting the CCP into the WTO and repealing Glass Steagal.
[URL]https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/media/press-releases/moolenaar-introduces-legislation-revoke-chinas-permanent-normal-trade[/URL]
[URL]https://asiatimes.com/2024/11/china-calculates-impact-of-losing-most-favored-nation-status/[/URL]
Moolenaar said that when China prepared to enter the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2000, the US Congress voted to extend PNTR status to China, hoping that the Chinese would liberalize and adopt fair trading practices, but "this gamble failed. ".
"Having PNTR with China has failed our country, eroded our manufacturing base and sent jobs to our foremost adversary. At the same time, the CCP has taken advantage of our markets and betrayed the hopes of freedom and fair competition that were expected when its authoritarian regime was granted PNTR more than 20 years ago," he said.
Republican Senators Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley on September 26 introduced The Neither Permanent Nor Normal Trade Relations Act to end PNTR with China. On November 13, Rubio was nominated by Trump to be the next US secretary of state. Rubio is likely to gain Senate confirmation and begin his term after Trump's January 20,2025, inauguration.
"Giving Communist China the same trade benefits that we give to our greatest allies was one of the most catastrophic decisions that our country has ever made," Rubio said in a press release in September. "Our country's trade deficit with China more than quadrupled, and we exported millions of American jobs. Ending normal trade relations with China is a no-brainer. ".
[URL]https://prosperousamerica.org/cpa-guest-opinion-we-must-revoke-chinas-most-favored-nation-status/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2968319]Now, what are we to learn from that little Trump's Failed Trade War With China story you have spun there?
That Trump's crap 2018 and 2019 negotiations led him to give China something real and valuable in exchange for junk but then he "brilliantly" ushered in and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic with all of the Millions of Deaths, Massive Jobs Destruction, Global Supply-Chain Collapse and, most importantly, Global Inflation that followed and did all of that just so China would ultimately be stuck with as much junk as China dumped in Trump's lap?
Or is it that Biden was the "brilliant" one in producing the best, fastest and most effective Recovery from Trump's Pandemic, which unavoidably produces some transitional Inflation, pulled America First but also the rest of the World out of Trump's Economic Disaster, averted a Domestic AND Global Depression / Recession and, oh as a bonus, contributed to converting the highly valuable loot they snatched right from under blithering numbskull Trump's nose into junk?
Either one provides a fascinating moral of the story you have spun there. Or is it some combination of the two?[/QUOTE]He may even have less integrity and credibility than you and Spidy.
He really needs a new moniker, may I generously propose Morbidly Obese Bob?
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/20/us/trump-womens-march-protests-activism.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/16/opinion/trump-tech-leaders-support.html[/URL]
The Great Capitulation.
Dec. 16,2024, 7:00 pm ET.
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By Michelle Goldberg.
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At a press conference at Mar-a-Lago on Monday, Donald Trump described recent visits from Tim Cook, see. E. O. Of Apple, Sergey Brin, a co-founder of Google, and other tech barons. "In the first term, everyone was fighting me," he said. "In this term, everyone wants to be my friend. " For once, he wasn't exaggerating.
Since Trump won re-election this time with the popular vote many of the most influential people in America seem to have lost any will to stand up to him as he goes about transforming America into the sort of authoritarian oligarchy he admires. Call it the Great Capitulation.
Following Jan. 6, Mark Zuckerberg, the Facebook co-founder, suspended Trump's account. But last month at Mar-a-Lago, The Wall Street Journal reported, Zuckerberg stood, hand on heart, as "the club played a rendition of the national anthem sung by imprisoned" Jan. 6 defendants. (It's not clear if Zuckerberg knew what he was listening to.) he's pledged a million-dollar donation to Trump's inauguration, as did the OpenAI see. E. O. Sam Altman and Jeff Bezos' company Amazon, which will also stream the inauguration on its video platform.
After Time magazine declared Trump "Person of the Year," the publication's owner, the Salesforce see. E. O. Marc Benioff, wrote on X, "This marks a time of great promise for our nation. " The owner of The L. A. Times, the billionaire pharmaceutical and biomedical entrepreneur Patrick Soon-Shiong, killed an editorial criticizing Trump's cabinet picks and urging the Senate not to allow recess appointments.
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Most shocking of all, last week ABC News, which is owned by the Walt Disney Company, made the craven decision to settle a flimsy defamation case brought by Trump.
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As you may remember, a jury last year found Trump civilly liable for sexually abusing the writer E. Jean Carroll. In a memorandum, the judge in the case explained that while a jury didn't find that Trump had raped Carroll, it was operating under New York criminal law, which defines rape solely as "vaginal penetration by a penis. " It did find that he'the forcibly penetrated her with his fingers.
"The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was 'raped' within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump 'raped' her as many people commonly understand the word 'rape, wrote the judge. "Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that. ".
The ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos appeared to be using this broader definition when, in March, he said on-air that a jury had found Trump "liable for rape. " Trump, who regularly threatens, and sometimes files, defamation cases against his perceived enemies in the press, sued. And though his case seemed absurdly weak, ABC News decided to settle in exchange for a $15 million donation to Trump's future presidential library or museum, $1 million in legal fees and a public statement of regret from Stephanopoulos and the network.
Displays of submission aren't limited to tech and media. Christopher Wray, the head of the F. Be. I. , agreed to step aside before the end of his 10-year term rather than make Trump fire him. Several Democrats have signaled their willingness to work with Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, whose so-called Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, seems poised to hack away at our already threadbare safety net.
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In The New Yorker, Jonathan Blitzer wrote of the current administration's refusal, at least so far, to renew the humanitarian parole of immigrants from countries such as Venezuela and Haiti to possibly shield them from deportation under Trump. "For a president who considers Trump a fascist and has warned about the horrors of mass deportation, the atmosphere of Biden's White House has struck several people I spoke with as curiously sedate," Blitzer wrote.
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So let me get this right! Repubs/MAGA had been told Americas, were suffering from high inflation, high food prices and no money for beacon, but somehow, now they have money for $200 Trump Perfume? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
[B]Who'd pay $99 to smell like Donald Trump? Eau d'Insurrection [/B]
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-fragrance-perfume-victory47-b2498669.html[/URL]
Yes, yes, I know, all of you MAGAs and, frankly, many others out there are puzzled and wondering "WTF!? There was an 8 day losing stretch in the Dow under economic lord and savior Donald Trump years BEFORE he crashed er I mean rescued his China Trade War and the Global Economy with Trump's Pandemic in 2020? Even during is "best economy ever" years"?
Yep. In fact, and I hope the diligent stock market-watchers among you MAGAs as is Trump himself are sitting down for this. But not only did Trump log at least one remarkable 8-Day losing stretch in the Dow during 2018, one of those "best economy ever" years before "the China virus and the pandemic came out of the blue, nobody thought something like that could happen", but there was actually a Bear Market Decline in the broad USA Stock Market that very same year!
I know, I know, that contradicts what Mainstream Media has led or allowed so many of the American people to believe. Those who today have such a clear and detailed understanding of the national economy that they are certain today's stock market is at an all-time low, the unemployment rate is at an all-time high, that 107% of the new jobs created under Biden went to illegal aliens, that nobody can buy anything, nobody can eat anything, nobody can do anything, nobody can travel anywhere, that we are currently IN a Recession and that this economy "sucks" by any measure compared to other economies around the world and vs all previous USA economies.
But it turns out that even though 2018 was one of Trump's self-described and claimed "best economy ever" years before "the China virus" totally surprised everyone and developed into a raging Pandemic without any Pandemic Prevention Team Leadership in those Chinese labs to give us a heads-up about it just "2 months sooner" so we could have avoided all the problems as there had been before Trump defunded and removed them several months earlier, there was a Bear Market greater than 20% decline in the total usa stock market.
And it happened at a time when Trump's failed Trade War with China and Tariffs were very much in the system and failing so badly to accomplish what Trump claimed they would do that he had to issue emergency welfare checks to the industries most damaged by them just to keep them afloat.
And now we already have this swirling around in today's USA Stock. Market:
[B]Stock futures inch lower after Dow notches longest losing streak since 2018[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/16/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]"If you are going to worry about something, it is that [b]the tariffs[/b] are not just talk but truisms, and that we will actually be putting up barriers to trade", Stovall said. "If that is an actuality, I think that could be a very big problem."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2968566]...no money for beacon[/QUOTE]Sorry, meant to read 'bacon'.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2968511][b]Yes, for those with a severe memory loss.[/b]
That would be Newt Gingrich's Congress that threw every wrench, drill and screwdriver in the gears to obstruct and sabotage, and when they failed, claimed it was the Republican governors who lifted the economy [U]despite[/U] Clinton's efforts.
Sheesh!
Even when you're right, you're only half-right and that's being generous.[/QUOTE]Of course, it isn't a "memory loss". Wingers actively engage in revisionist history in order to promote more Repub-style economic agenda and, therefore by definition, more crap economic results.
I watched Trump's make-believe "press conference" yesterday where he never answered a question with anything but a blithering, near incoherent bullshit story leading inevitably to the usual Yes AND No response which he can then later claim he answered EITHER way. And at one point he totally revised history by claiming "We had the greatest economy ever before The China Virus came out of nowhere", "We had NO WARS when I was president", "We were paid $600 Billion from China from my trade war tariffs", blah blah blah and not one person in that room nor anyone on the cable news network followed up by pointing out everything he said in that event was a blatant, easily debunked revisionist history lie.
Which is no surprise since that is what Trump has been allowed to get away with for the past 9 years in Mainstream Media, especially leading up to an election.
Tooms and Xpartan, You will never achieve true enlightenment until you learn to love Republicans. And Marquis, you must learn to love the Chinese. And the moderate Democrats. For until that happens you will live in ignorance and hatred. Learn how to love, and you shall see the Light. And the darkness shall be lifted from your hearts.
There is no need however to admonish you, Marquis, to love the Progressive Democrats, for you are one.
Buddha Tiny
This MAGA Repub loon is challenging MAGA Repub loon Marjorie Taylor Greene for the Crown as Queen of the MAGA Repub Loons in ChristoFascist Mike's now even THINNER razor-thin majority to go along with Trump's handful of angry Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims across the only three states that mattered "mandate" squeaker.
[B]Republican House Majority in Peril[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/republican-house-majority-victoria-spartz-2002016[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Republican wafer-thin majority in the House of Representatives is facing growing uncertainty as GOP members of Congress line up for Donald Trump's Cabinet.
Representative Victoria Spartz, an Indiana Republican, announced on Monday that she would no longer "sit on committees or participate in the Republican caucus" so she could dedicate more time to the newly created Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), headed by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy.
"I will stay as a registered Republican but will not sit on committees or participate in the caucus until I see that Republican leadership in Congress is governing. I do not need to be involved in circuses. I would rather spend more of my time helping @DOGE and @RepThomasMassie to save our Republic, as was mandated by the American people," she said in a post on X.
In another post, Spartz added, "@realDonaldTrump, @elonmusk and @VivekGRamaswamy are our only hope to drain the swamp through reconciliation, and we can come up with more than $2T to fully offset tax cuts. The swamp is very deep, @DOGE!"[/QUOTE]And she won't be the only one in that less than Pink Tinkle Repub House to pull this kind of stunt.
Bear in mind, NO Repub wants to actually government, legislate, solve any problems, know anything, do anything or earn their government paycheck.
With Deadbeat To The Core Nude Grinbitch being the honored historic template for being a total Repub deadbeat with no expertise or interest in accomplishing anything except shutting down the government so they can do even LESS than nothing for their pay, especially if doing that one idiotic thing will serve to thwart and fuck up any positive jobs creation and economic expansion and gains trajectories put in place by Dems, there are bound to be more Attention Hoo'are Deadbeat Repub Loons waiting in the wings for their moment in the spotlight, demanding to be handed a Participation Trophy for Doing Nothing so remarkably well.
As King of the Know Nothing, Do Nothing, Deadbeat MAGA Repub Loons, Donald J. Trump, knows better than anyone, of course.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968700]Tooms and Xpartan, You will never achieve true enlightenment until you learn to love Republicans. And Marquis, you must learn to love the Chinese. And the moderate Democrats. For until that happens you will live in ignorance and hatred. Learn how to love, and you shall see the Light. And the darkness shall be lifted from your hearts.
There is no need however to admonish you, Marquis, to love the Progressive Democrats, for you are one.
Buddha Tiny[/QUOTE]They are thee most vile creatures known to humanity, watch the movie "Thank You for Smoking".
Call me a progressive Democrat? Everyone has redeeming qualities except Libertarians.
You are an iteration of Hiroo Onoda he refused to deny the war was over for many years.
You on the other hand refuse to deny we are already at war with the CCP, be it Cold for the moment.
You should be tried for Treason for giving and and comfort to the enemy!!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2968530]
You honestly think the current USA economy "sucks"? Lolol. Compared to what, where and when? You realize that flies in the face of every credible economic publication assessment at home and abroad as well as all available data and evidence, right?
Or, like the American electorate under Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Biden, et al, are you just aping what the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media spins into your mind about it regardless what the data and all available evidence shows? When was the last time you couldn't afford to buy a Bird Flu-inflation priced egg?[/QUOTE]That's not what I wrote. I said a majority of Americans and I think Biden's [B]economic policy[/B] sucked.
An NBER paper earlier this year written by economists at the IMF and Democrat Larry Summers explains why. You can download the paper here.
[URL]https://www.nber.org/papers/w32163[/URL]
Or read a summary here.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2024/03/23/summers-inflation-reached-18-in-2022-using-the-governments-previous-formula/#text=argue%2 C%20%E2%80%9 Cwill%20 understate%20 the%20 pressure, November%202022%2 C%20 and%20 remains%20 elevated.[/URL]
If you look at the official numbers, the median American wage earner saw prices increase about 1/2 of 1% more than wages during the Biden administration. Compare to the Trump administration, when wages rose by almost 7% more than prices. Those are wages before tax. After income tax, median real wages were up more than 7%, because of the Trump tax cuts for the middle class.
But the official numbers don't take into account the increase in interest payments borne by Americans, manifested in higher house, car and credit card payments and the like. The consumer price index, the way it was calculated prior to 1983, did take that into account. What Summers and the rest did in the NBER study was go back and calculate CPI using the pre-1983 method. And then they compared it to consumer sentiment.
Using the old methodology, which includes interest expense borne by consumers, inflation peaked at 18% in November, 2022! And if you look at consumer sentiment, which can serve as a proxy for how much Americans believed Biden's economic policy sucks, it tracks the Summers et al CPI a lot better than the current CPI.
In other words, the workingman is way behind the eight ball. And that's the reason Biden got poor numbers for economic policy in surveys.
Now undoubtedly you're not going to accept that. We had a similar discussion about why Americans thought the economy sucked under Carter because of high inflation, and, reading between the lines, you attributed it to mass psychosis.
Why do I (as opposed to the majority of Americans) think his economic policy sucked? We've been through that a million times. Since Biden took office, the economy has done well (no recession), we've been at peace, and we were over the worst of the pandemic. Yet his policies, as implemented with the help of a Democratic controlled Congress in 2021 and 2022, have put us on track to rack up fiscal deficits around 6% per year as far as the eye can see! That's not sustainable. It's a recipe for disaster.
Far from buying votes as expected, the Democrats' profligate spending ignited inflation and caused them to loose the election. However, yes, if you're part of the welfare class, or received benefits from the massive amounts of corporate pork spread far and wide by the Biden administration, then you probably think the economy is / was hunky dory.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968700]Tooms and Xpartan, You will never achieve true enlightenment until you learn to love Republicans. And Marquis, you must learn to love the Chinese. And the moderate Democrats. For until that happens you will live in ignorance and hatred. Learn how to love, and you shall see the Light. And the darkness shall be lifted from your hearts.
There is no need however to admonish you, Marquis, to love the Progressive Democrats, for you are one.
Buddha Tiny[/QUOTE]This is an intercontinental ballistic.
Missile the USA Air Force is launching.
Off the shores of California.
The missile doesn't carry a nuclear.
Warhead it's just a test.
In 30 minutes, it will hit a target in the.
Ocean over 4,000 miles away.
On Jan. 20, Donald Trump will regain.
Control of these weapons.
And he's getting them at a very.
Volatile time in history.
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By The Editorial Board.
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
In the United States, only the president can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. It's an extraordinary instance in which Mr. Trump's decision-making power will be absolute. He will not need to consult Congress, the courts or senior advisers on when or how to use them. He will have a free hand to craft our nation's nuclear posture, policy and diplomacy.
On the campaign trail, Mr. Trump commented on the peril posed by the rest of the world's growing nuclear arsenals. His return to the White House offers new opportunities for him to steer America clear of those threats. His administration will need to act urgently and with creativity, all while also demonstrating the understanding that nuclear weapons are too dangerous to be brandished as a cudgel.
This article is part of the Opinion series At the Brink.
About the threat of nuclear weapons in an unstable world. Read the opening story here.
The leaders of China, Russia and the United States are in the midst of a new great-power competition, a global struggle for military, economic and geopolitical dominance. But not all aspects of this contest are zero-sum, especially in nuclear weapons matters. There are ample opportunities for all sides to improve their own national security conditions by staving off a costly arms race and dangerous confrontation.
Most Americans have never seen or perhaps even contemplated what it takes to be ready for nuclear conflict. Times Opinion gained rare, up-close access this summer to film what this looks like in the United States. Observing the missile launch procedures provided a glimpse at the inner workings of a warfighting machine that should never be set in motion.
Approximately three times each year, the USA.
Air Force performs this intricate test.
Service members pull a missile from an.
Underground silo in the Great Plains.
The missile is stripped of its nuclear payload and.
Shipped to Vandenberg Space Force Base.
Other nuclear nations conduct tests like these.
On a routine basis.
The global nuclear balance is more tenuous in 2024 than it has been in decades.
"Tomorrow, we could have a war that will be so devastating that you could never recover from it," Mr. Trump said in June. "Nobody can. The whole world won't be able to recover from it. ".
The last remaining major bilateral accord limiting the United States' and Russia's arsenals, New START, expires in just 14 months. And Russian leaders have rejected the Biden administration's offers to discuss a new nuclear arms control framework, which follows the dismantling of other accords meant to lessen the risk of conflict. We are on the precipice of living in a world that has no restraints on how many nuclear weapons are deployed.
President Vladimir Putin of Russia continues to raise the specter of escalating his war on Ukraine to nuclear use. India and Pakistan have an estimated 170 nuclear weapons each but are expanding their arsenals. USA Intelligence believes China plans to double by 2030 the size of its stockpile of an estimated 500 warheads, as it continues the most ambitious expansion and diversification of its weaponry in its history. North Korea has developed missiles designed to strike America. The war in Gaza threatens to expand into a wider regional conflict; Israel already has nuclear weapons and Iran is moving closer to building a bomb, risking a proliferation cascade throughout the Middle East.
The nuclear risk isn't found only among America's adversaries. Allies without nuclear aims are now seriously discussing whether they also need nuclear capability. The recently impeached South Korean president, Yoon Suk-yeol, has raised the possibility of building a bomb, and polls have shown that 70 percent of Koreans think the country should. If South Korea proceeds, experts assume Japan will as well. Germany is debating whether it should develop its own nuclear program, and Poland has sought a more active role in NATO's nuclear sharing. Ukraine's leader, President Volodymyr Zelensky, has made his nation's need for a nuclear weapon clear if the country isn't granted NATO membership.
If Mr. Trump is serious about truly making America great again, this is one critical issue where he can make his mark. The United States spent the second half of the 20th century and into the next with a single stated goal when it came to nuclear weapons: to make the world safer from them. After its devastating bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this aim was not a given in the first several decades of the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union amassed nuclear arsenals large enough to destroy the human race many times over. By the early 1960's, the Americans and Soviets appeared to be on a collision course toward nuclear war, armed with the most dangerous technology man has ever produced.
The Cuban Missile Crisis put both countries on a new path. In 1963, the superpowers agreed to the first treaty on nuclear testing. By 1968, many nations of the world had agreed in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to a grand bargain: In exchange for nonnuclear states forgoing such weapons, the nuclear states would work to get rid of theirs. Facing ever more public pressure, American leaders and diplomats would spend the next five decades leading the effort to set limits on the number of nuclear warheads deployed, as well as establish transparency and clear lines of communication. Shrinking the nuclear arsenal became a bipartisan, generational effort.
Today, nearly all of that work has unraveled.
It can't be ignored that in his first term, Mr. Trump played a significant role in fostering at least some of the risk the world now faces. Yet, given the changed landscape, the United States will have no choice but to lead something that, based on his campaign rhetoric, Mr. Trump appears to embrace.
In the past, Mr. Trump has said that he first appreciated the true danger of nuclear weapons after talking to an unlikely source: his uncle, an M. I. T. Professor. In 1986, when he was still principally a New York real estate developer, Mr. Trump reached out to the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, which had just received a Nobel Peace Prize for its disarmament work. He hoped to arrange negotiations with the Soviets to lower the nuclear threat.
Now it will be the job of President Trump to pull the world back from the brink. It's time to discuss what he and the United States should prioritize.
I.
America Should.
RENEW ARMS.
CONTROL TALKS.
Visiting Hiroshima in 2016, President Barack Obama was optimistic enough to call on nations that possessed nuclear weapons to "have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them. ".
Abolition is something the United States has not seriously considered and cannot now afford to consider. With China's unprecedented nuclear buildup underway, the world faces, for the first time, the reality of not just two but three nuclear superpowers. The bipolar strategic balance of the Cold War no longer holds. American diplomats have no choice but to figure out how to restart sustained arms control negotiations and lay the groundwork for future generations to complete the job of nuclear disarmament.
America's tests provide the military with fresh.
Data on how its personnel and aging weapons.
Systems perform in a real-world scenario.
Air Force officers work every day on 24-hour.
Shifts in underground bunkers, awaiting.
The signal to launch if the president ever gives.
The order.
The tests also send an unmistakable message.
To America's adversaries that the nuclear arsenal.
Is ready if that command ever comes.
Mr. Trump's first administration refused to sign on to the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, in keeping with other nuclear nations' stance on the ban. It also unilaterally withdrew the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and the Open Skies Treaty. But Mr. Trump did demonstrate an ambitious willingness to sit down with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, even though those talks ultimately went nowhere.
He has a chance now to atone for past mistakes. Masoud Pezeshkian, the new president of Iran, has signaled a willingness to restart serious nuclear negotiations with the West.
Mr. Trump's campaign trumpeted his withdrawal from the previous deal, but in September, the candidate told reporters that he may be open to new talks. As reported in Politico, when asked about it, Mr. Trump said: "We have to make a deal, because the consequences are impossible. We have to make a deal. ".
Mr. Trump, to his credit, grasps the dangers here. Perhaps he can also use some of his influence with President Putin to come to terms on the issue. Here again, some of his campaign rhetoric offers a glimpse of hope. Referring to Mr. Putin, Mr. Trump said in 2023, "he goes, 'You know, we're a great nuclear power. ' he says that publicly now. " Mr. Trump added, falsely: "he never said that when I was here. Because you don't talk about it. It's too destructive. You don't talk about it. Now they're talking about it all the time. ".
To entice China to the table, Mr. Trump could express an openness to declare that the United States would not be the first to use nuclear weapons. The president-elect has shown a willingness to engage, inviting China's leader, Xi Jinping, to his January inauguration.
China has spent the past year signaling the importance of this issue as a necessary requirement for it to move forward in meaningful nuclear talks.
A willingness to engage on a blanket no-first-use policy may ease tensions and provide a foothold for more ambitious discussions.
II.
America Should.
ENSURE NUCLEAR TESTING.
BANS STAY PUT.
While the military still regularly tests the intercontinental ballistic missiles that would deliver a nuclear strike, it hasn't conducted an explosive underground test of the warheads themselves in more than three decades.
A moratorium on testing nuclear weapons has also held in China and Russia. There are growing fears this could soon change, as all three nations update and expand the infrastructure and sites needed to test nuclear weapons, according to commercial satellite imagery by Planet Labs PBC. The photos, analyzed by the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, show each nation is adding buildings, cutting roads and boring tunnels construction that many fear could presage live explosions.
A nuclear weapon doesn't need to be used in war to have lasting impact. More than 2,000 such weapons were tested during the 20th century, spreading fallout that still affects human beings, public health and the environment. That, in part, is why the United States, along with every other country with nuclear weapons, except North Korea, has voluntarily observed a testing moratorium since the 1990's. The next Trump administration should work to make sure it remains in effect.
The conservative manifesto Project 2025, published by the Heritage Foundation, specifically calls for preparing the nuclear testing site in Nevada for a new generation of tests, which unlike the tests at Vandenberg involve detonating actual nuclear explosives. Last summer, in the journal Foreign Affairs, Mr. Trump's former national security adviser Robert O'Brien wrote that "the United States has to maintain technical and numerical superiority to the combined Chinese and Russian nuclear stockpiles. To do so, Washington must test new nuclear weapons for reliability and safety in the real world for the first time since 1992 not just by using computer models. " Given this logic, Russia and China would be justified in thinking the same.
Mr. Trump's campaign distanced itself from both Project 2025 and Mr. O'Brien's comments, and Mr. O'Brien has not yet been tapped to join the next administration.
While there is no nuclear warhead in this.
Missile, the military still must clear the surrounding airspace and stretch of ocean.
For safety.
If a part fails or the missile veers off course.
During flight, the military will destroy it by.
Remotely detonating onboard explosives.
Data from the missile streams into the Air.
Force's encrypted computer system inside the.
Launch monitoring center.
If Mr. Trump decides the United States should resume nuclear explosive testing, China and Russia will almost surely follow suit. Mr. Putin has already threatened as much. Emerging nuclear powers, such as Iran, would also presumably feel no restraint on carrying out their own tests.
On top of all this, it makes no strategic sense. Starting to test again now would erode the huge scientific advantage the United States enjoys today. The USA Government has conducted more than 1,000 known nuclear detonations more than China and the Soviet Union combined. Data from those tests, combined with our unparalleled computing power, has allowed America to maintain and improve its arsenal in a way that its rivals can't.
III.
America Should.
REVIEW USA SPENDING.
The United States, Russia and China are now feverishly overhauling their nuclear arsenals in sweeping multibillion-dollar efforts that the federal government benignly calls "modernizing. " The Pentagon plans to update the nuclear arsenal over the next 30 years, including the missiles, bomber jets, submarines and warheads, at nearly $2 trillion.
Mr. Trump could roll back some of that effort. Why must the USA Military replace all of its weapons in one go? Hundreds of millions of dollars could be saved simply by buying fewer of them. Even if Mr. Trump doesn't want to cancel anything, he could at least give himself the political space to rethink such investments by appointing a commission to examine the full range and progress of the modernization plans, which are already over-budget and behind schedule.
The cost of this one test launch: $18 million. It.
Takes about 200 service members to carry it out.
Two officers act as if they've received the.
Presidential order, turning keys on.
Their consoles that ignite the 79,432-pound.
Missile's rocket engines.
Once the weapon roars into the night sky, a.
Message flashes on screens: "MSLA," shorthand.
For "Missile Away. ".
Project 2025, however, rejects congressional efforts to find more cost-effective alternatives to the current plans, calling instead for a nuclear escalation that could rival President Ronald Reagan's at the height of the Cold War.
While Mr. Trump may have distanced himself from Project 2025 on the campaign trail, Christopher Miller, a former USA Army Special Forces colonel who served as his acting defense secretary, was the lead author of its 42-page chapter on defense. Some other alarming proposals include that the second Trump White House prioritize nuclear weapons; develop nuclear-armed, sea-launched cruise missiles, which were withdrawn in the early 1990's; and continue a Biden-era effort to develop a sweeping, untested "cruise missile defense of the homeland" all of which would require a significant budget increase to bankroll.
Mr. Trump has often condemned the hawkish attitudes of other conservatives. This is the time for him to show that he believes nuclear escalation is a bad idea. It's taken some political courage for Mr. Trump to stake out an independent path from Republican orthodoxy on war-and-peace issues, and this is a chance to put his own views into action.
IV.
America Should.
END SOLE AUTHORITY.
President Trump will command about 3,700 weapons that he alone is empowered to launch. Any decision responding to an incoming nuclear attack on the United States would have to be made within as little as 15 minutes.
It is concern over any precipitous action that led Senator Edward Markey of Massachusetts and Representative Ted Lieu of California, both Democrats, last year to propose legislation to prohibit any president from launching a first-strike nuclear weapon without congressional approval.
Although it is unlikely to be taken up by this Republican-led Congress, the bill would not undercut Mr. Trump's ability to respond to a nuclear attack, an authority all presidents have had and should have.
Agreeing that a pre-emptive nuclear strike should also be endorsed by Congress would be a signal to the world that the United States is serious about limiting nuclear brinkmanship that disputes among nations should not turn on impulsive nuclear threats of the type that Mr. Putin regularly issues. Mr. Trump wouldn't be weakening himself. He'the be showing the world that he rejects hollow threats.
Fire and exhaust light up the foggy coastline.
As the Minuteman III missile traces an arc across.
The Pacific.
Roughly a half-hour later, a dummy warhead.
Falls away, re-entering the Earth's atmosphere at.
A blistering four miles per second.
It strikes the target area a lagoon in the middle.
Of the Marshall Islands' Kwajalein Atoll like a.
Lightning bolt.
Data from this exercise in June will help USA.
Commanders fine-tune future tests scheduled.
Under the next Trump administration.
One paradox of the nuclear age is that it has often been the most bellicose leaders who become the most committed and who are the most effective at securing arms control deals and shrinking global stockpiles. Dwight Eisenhower, who led the allied war effort against the Nazis, came to warn against the military-industrial complex. Nikita Khrushchev and John F. Kennedy were swaggering brinksmen until they brought the world close to annihilation. Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev each came to see that nuclear weapons were vastly more dangerous in an unstable world.
Donald Trump ran a campaign of peace through strength. Time will tell if he can deliver what he promised. But all Americans should rejoice if Mr. Trump leaves the world a safer place from nuclear weapons than it was when he took office for the second time.
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2968511]That would be Newt Gingrich's Congress that threw every wrench, drill and screwdriver in the gears to obstruct and sabotage, and when they failed, claimed it was the Republican governors who lifted the economy [U]despite[/U] Clinton's efforts.
Sheesh!
Even when you're right, you're only half-right and that's being generous.[/QUOTE]Without the Republican Congress, Clinton and Rubin would never have balanced the budget. You put one party in control of government and it spends with drunken abandon. Without the Republicans, welfare reform, cutting the capital gains tax, NAFTA and the Crime Bill wouldn't have happened the way they did either. I'm not a fan of the Crime Bill but believe the other items were positive.
In his second term, Clinton didn't start any wars, was not a class warrior or sanctimonious prick, didn't try to overturn American democracy, and didn't run wild with progressive policies. That and balancing the budget are why I believe he was a better president than Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden respectively. And he got blow jobs in the oval office from an intern! Yeah, maybe she was a chubby, homely looking intern, but all the same, he's my favorite! True, he was no Ronald Reagan, but in his second term he was a solid president.
The Marquis (aka The Bernie Bro) undoubtedly will use the NAFTA reference as an excuse to say I'm pure evil, but he's just towing the Progressive line.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968772]That's not what I wrote. I said a majority of Americans and I think Biden's [B]economic policy[/B] sucked.
An NBER paper earlier this year written by economists at the IMF and Democrat Larry Summers explains why. You can download the paper here.
[URL]https://www.nber.org/papers/w32163[/URL]
Or read a summary here.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2024/03/23/summers-inflation-reached-18-in-2022-using-the-governments-previous-formula/#text=argue%2 C%20%E2%80%9 Cwill%20 understate%20 the%20 pressure, November%202022%2 C%20 and%20 remains%20 elevated.[/URL]
If you look at the official numbers, the median American wage earner saw prices increase about 1/2 of 1% more than wages during the Biden administration. Compare to the Trump administration, when wages rose by almost 7% more than prices. Those are wages before tax. After income tax, median real wages were up more than 7%, because of the Trump tax cuts for the middle class.
But the official numbers don't take into account the increase in interest payments borne by Americans, manifested in higher house, car and credit card payments and the like. The consumer price index, the way it was calculated prior to 1983, did take that into account. What Summers and the rest did in the NBER study was go back and calculate CPI using the pre-1983 method. And then they compared it to consumer sentiment.
Using the old methodology, which includes interest expense borne by consumers, inflation peaked at 18% in November, 2022! And if you look at consumer sentiment, which can serve as a proxy for how much Americans believed Biden's economic policy sucks, it tracks the Summers et al CPI a lot better than the current CPI.
In other words, the workingman is way behind the eight ball. And that's the reason Biden got poor numbers for economic policy in surveys.
Now undoubtedly you're not going to accept that. We had a similar discussion about why Americans thought the economy sucked under Carter because of high inflation, and, reading between the lines, you attributed it to mass psychosis.
Why do I (as opposed to the majority of Americans) think his economic policy sucked? We've been through that a million times. Since Biden took office, the economy has done well (no recession), we've been at peace, and we were over the worst of the pandemic. Yet his policies, as implemented with the help of a Democratic controlled Congress in 2021 and 2022, have put us on track to rack up fiscal deficits around 6% per year as far as the eye can see! That's not sustainable. It's a recipe for disaster.
Far from buying votes as expected, the Democrats' profligate spending ignited inflation and caused them to loose the election. However, yes, if you're part of the welfare class, or received benefits from the massive amounts of corporate pork spread far and wide by the Biden administration, then you probably think the economy is / was hunky dory.[/QUOTE]That is a perfect example of the fanciful, lazy, academic theories that conservatives hang onto like rats on a rafter but that fail miserably in the Real World.
Joe Biden's [B]economic policy results[/B] are better than any conservative Repub's economic policy results since the inception of the Repub Party. Which isn't saying much, I realize. But they are also better than most other Dem's policy results. Which is saying a tremendous amount.
But, of course, in the mind of a conservative, Repub or not, those policies [B]suck[/B] because they don't fit some fanciful, lazy, academic notion that sounds great, looks great on paper and appears to be oh so easy to enact (lazy) but that always fail miserably in the Real World.
Of course, those conservative notions are never really tested when producing positive Real World results really matter and are critical to economic survival for millions of Americans.
Why? Because no outgoing Dem has ever handed those kind of horrific economic results to an incoming Repub to handle and resolve. No. Only outgoing Repubs hand those kind of horrific economic policy results conditions for incoming Dems to handle and resolve. And without exception it was after the Repub had applied those wonderfully fanciful, lazy, academic economic policies that sound great, look great on paper but also without exception have failed miserably to produce anything but horrific economic results in the Real World.
And that was after the Repub inherited historically great economic conditions, as FDR / Truman handed Eisenhower, JFK / LBJ handed Nixon / Ford, Carter handed Reagan, Clinton handed Bush2, Obama handed Trump and Biden is handing Trump again.
So one can only imagine the new depths of horrorific [B]results[/B] those Repub economic policies would produce if they ever once were put to the Real World challenge that virtually every Dem has had to face and surmounted over the past 100 years of [B]sucked Repub economic policy results.[/B].
Remember "the best economy ever" that Donald Trump and his Repubs produced starting on "day one" after inheriting already damn good economic conditions from Obama-Biden back in 2017?
I mean, before "the China virus" came out of nowhere and developed into a worldwide economy-destroying Pandemic that "Nobody predicted would happen" except every expert in the field but only if some so-called potus was stupid enough to defund and remove the Pandemic Prevention team leadership that had been stationed in those Chinese labs, which Trump then promptly did?
You know, the Trump economic nirvana years that polls if not specific election results indicated Americans were pining to repeat again?
[B]Most Americans say finances haven't improved since 2016 election.
Twenty-seven percent of people earning under $30,000 a year said their finances have worsened since the last presidential election.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/most-americans-say-their-finances-haven-t-improved-election-n923776[/URL]
Behold what poll respondents virtually ALWAYS say about the economy and their own financial situation.
Similarly, polls have almost always shown that "most people" think Repubs are better at handling the economy than Dems.
However, that is most certainly NOT the way "most people" vote when the [B]sucky[/B] Repub economic policy [B]results[/B] have the economy crashing down around our ears and millions of jobs are being wiped out. They don't elect more Repubs to "handle" the problem. Nope. They elect more Dems to "handle" the problem.
When do they NOT run out to elect Dems and elect Repubs or allow Repubs to get elected instead? All too often it because they are in reality fairly satisfied with their own economic and financial situation.
Similar to what the 1. 47 percentage point more Trump voters than Harris voters did this time around. That is despite the actual and specific reason Trump was elected instead of Harris being because a relative handful of angry, Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims were mobilized to vote for Trump instead of Harris in the only three states that mattered in order to express their hatred for Netanyahu.
And all of that is very much in keeping with my observation many months ago that the greatest threat to a 2nd term election of Joe Biden (but then it became Kamala Harris) was that, despite the perennial grousing about the economy we see from poll respondents, the reality is Bidenomics has produced "too good" of an economy, which generally means people stay home and don't bother to vote because, hey, what's the worst that could happen in this "Bothsider / Neithersider", selective Amnesia world.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968791]Without the Republican Congress, Clinton and Rubin would never have balanced the budget. You put one party in control of government and it spends with drunken abandon. Without the Republicans, welfare reform, cutting the capital gains tax, NAFTA and the Crime Bill wouldn't have happened the way they did either. I'm not a fan of the Crime Bill but believe the other items were positive.
In his second term, Clinton didn't start any wars, was not a class warrior or sanctimonious prick, didn't try to overturn American democracy, and didn't run wild with progressive policies. That and balancing the budget are why I believe he was a better president than Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden respectively. And he got blow jobs in the oval office from an intern! Yeah, maybe she was a chubby, homely looking intern, but all the same, he's my favorite! True, he was no Ronald Reagan, but in his second term he was a solid president.
The Marquis (aka The Bernie Bro) undoubtedly will use the NAFTA reference as an excuse to say I'm pure evil, but he's just towing the Progressive line.[/QUOTE]The 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act passed by Clinton and the Dems in Congress without a single vote from a Repub had tax cuts, tax increases and spending provisions that were all paid for within the bill. Which is typical of Dem-proposed legislation. And it was already creating positive gains in the economy vs what Reagan / Bush1 left behind by the middle of 1994, months before Repubs took majority control of Congress and began to do everything possible to thwart and reverse that positive economic trajectory.
Thankfully, they failed in those efforts.
Consequently, by the end of Clinton's presidency, not only had America enjoyed an unprecedented 7 years of Peace, Prosperity, Growth, Job Gains, Stock Market Gains AND a Budget Surplus.
All of which came to a crashing halt as soon as the brilliant American Electorate demonstrated their usual clear and fine understanding of how a national economy works, voted in Repub GW Bush (or at least got it close enough for GW Bush's brother and confederates in Florida to allow it to be stolen) and that Repub potus launched into the usual conservative Repub policies sure to produce [B]Sucky Economic Policy Results[/B]. Which they well and surely did with a vengeance.
You want to find tax cuts and legislation that produce little or nothing of value and go unpaid for, adding Trillons to the deficit? I direct you to Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, fully supported by a "Republican Congress" and without a single Dem vote.
Among other Repub potus proposed and passed legislation.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2968828]The 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act passed by Clinton and the Dems in Congress without a single vote from a Repub had tax cuts, tax increases and spending provisions that were all paid for within the bill. Which is typical of Dem-proposed legislation. And it was already creating positive gains in the economy vs what Reagan / Bush1 left behind by the middle of 1994, months before Repubs took majority control of Congress and began to do everything possible to thwart and reverse that positive economic trajectory.
Thankfully, they failed in those efforts.
Consequently, by the end of Clinton's presidency, not only had America enjoyed an unprecedented 7 years of Peace, Prosperity, Growth, Job Gains, Stock Market Gains AND a Budget Surplus.
All of which came to a crashing halt as soon as the brilliant American Electorate demonstrated their usual clear and fine understanding of how a national economy works, voted in Repub GW Bush (or at least got it close enough for GW Bush's brother and confederates in Florida to allow it to be stolen) and that Repub potus launched into the usual conservative Repub policies sure to produce [B]Sucky Economic Policy Results[/B]. Which they well and surely did with a vengeance.
You want to find tax cuts and legislation that produce little or nothing of value and go unpaid for, adding Trillons to the deficit? I direct you to Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, fully supported by a "Republican Congress" and without a single Dem vote.
Among other Repub potus proposed and passed legislation.[/QUOTE]The federal deficit as a % of GDP was in the range of 2.1% to 3.7% during the time Clinton and Democrats controlled the presidency and Congress, and during the year afterwards. The budget surplus peaked at 2. 3% of GDP when Clinton was president and Republicans controlled Congress.
The Congressional Democrats during the early 1990's were a different breed. Your party has increasingly moved to the left. The two best Democratic Senators, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, abandoned their membership in the party because of that. They were bulwarks against the spending getting really crazy during the Biden presidency. The increasingly-progressive Congressional Democrats now look for guidance to people like your Economic Hero, Stephanie Kelton, instead of wise men and women like Larry Summers. Some believe, like Kelton, that deficits don't matter. Bah humbug!
I'm not going to defend Republicans failure to control spending in 2017 and 2018. Like I already said, when one party controls the presidency and Congress, the bastards spend like drunken sailors. No insult intended towards sailors. And, as I've written more than once, go out past 4 years from inception and the corporate tax rate cut implemented in 2018 starts to generate more income for the Treasury than would have been the case with the old status quo.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2968803]That is a perfect example of the fanciful, lazy, academic theories that conservatives hang onto like rats on a rafter but that fail miserably in the Real World.
Joe Biden's [B]economic policy results[/B] are better than any conservative Repub's economic policy results since the inception of the Repub Party. Which isn't saying much, I realize. But they are also better than most other Dem's policy results. Which is saying a tremendous amount.
But, of course, in the mind of a conservative, Repub or not, those policies [B]suck[/B] because they don't fit some fanciful, lazy, academic notion that sounds great, looks great on paper and appears to be oh so easy to enact (lazy) but that always fail miserably in the Real World.
Of course, those conservative notions are never really tested when producing positive Real World results really matter and are critical to economic survival for millions of Americans.
Why? Because no outgoing Dem has ever handed those kind of horrific economic results to an incoming Repub to handle and resolve. No. Only outgoing Repubs hand those kind of horrific economic policy results conditions for incoming Dems to handle and resolve. And without exception it was after the Repub had applied those wonderfully fanciful, lazy, academic economic policies that sound great, look great on paper but also without exception have failed miserably to produce anything but horrific economic results in the Real World.
And that was after the Repub inherited historically great economic conditions, as FDR / Truman handed Eisenhower, JFK / LBJ handed Nixon / Ford, Carter handed Reagan, Clinton handed Bush2, Obama handed Trump and Biden is handing Trump again.
So one can only imagine the new depths of horrorific [B]results[/B] those Repub economic policies would produce if they ever once were put to the Real World challenge that virtually every Dem has had to face and surmounted over the past 100 years of [B]sucked Repub economic policy results.[/B].[/QUOTE]There are two problems with your analysis. The first is that the name of the highly partisan Democrat economist Larry Summers is on that paper, along with several other economists who work at Harvard and the IMF. Summers was Director of the NEA under Obama and Treasury Secretary under Clinton.
The second is that it's not much of an academic theory. Rather it's mostly common sense. As they say in the paper, "Home prices are up almost 50 percent since the start of the pandemic, while the 30-year mortgage rate has tripled since the historic lows of 2021. Given that home prices remain at historic highs despite higher interest rates, the interest payment on a new 30-year mortgage for the average house has increased more than threefold since 2021. The interest payment on a new car loan has increased more than 80 percent since the start of the pandemic. It is not surprising that this would affect how consumers feel about the economy. ".
None of that is reflected in the CPI. And even not considering the interest-related costs borne by the workingman, the median real weekly earnings from the date of Biden's inauguration until September 30,2024, just before the election, barely budged. They went down slightly.
You most likely don't make car payments or house payments in the USA. You don't shop for groceries in the USA. As such, you don't understand what's obvious to many Americans.
You always come back to the 1. 5% margin by which Trump won the presidency. Well, Trump was a very poor general election candidate. Any other mainstream, reasonably likeable, well known Republican candidate would have beat Harris like a drum. And the reason why is what we've been debating.
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Missile the USA Air Force is launching.
Off the shores of California.
The missile doesn't carry a nuclear.
Warhead it's just a test.
In 30 minutes, it will hit a target in the.
Ocean over 4,000 miles away.
On Jan. 20, Donald Trump will regain.
Control of these weapons.
And he's getting them at a very.
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The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
In the United States, only the president can decide whether to use nuclear weapons. It's an extraordinary instance in which Mr. Trump's decision-making power will be absolute. He will not need to consult Congress, the courts or senior advisers on when or how to use them. He will have a free hand to craft our nation's nuclear posture, policy and diplomacy.
On the campaign trail, Mr. Trump commented on the peril posed by the rest of the world's growing nuclear arsenals. His return to the White House offers new opportunities for him to steer America clear of those threats. His administration will need to act urgently and with creativity, all while also demonstrating the understanding that nuclear weapons are too dangerous to be brandished as a cudgel.
This article is part of the Opinion series At the Brink.
About the threat of nuclear weapons in an unstable world. Read the opening story here.
The leaders of China, Russia and the United States are in the midst of a new great-power competition, a global struggle for military, economic and geopolitical dominance. But not all aspects of this contest are zero-sum, especially in nuclear weapons matters. There are ample opportunities for all sides to improve their own national security conditions by staving off a costly arms race and dangerous confrontation.
Most Americans have never seen or perhaps even contemplated what it takes to be ready for nuclear conflict. Times Opinion gained rare, up-close access this summer to film what this looks like in the United States. Observing the missile launch procedures provided a glimpse at the inner workings of a warfighting machine that should never be set in motion.
Approximately three times each year, the USA.
Air Force performs this intricate test.
Service members pull a missile from an.
Underground silo in the Great Plains.
The missile is stripped of its nuclear payload and.
Shipped to Vandenberg Space Force Base.
Other nuclear nations conduct tests like these.
On a routine basis.
The global nuclear balance is more tenuous in 2024 than it has been in decades.
"Tomorrow, we could have a war that will be so devastating that you could never recover from it," Mr. Trump said in June. "Nobody can. The whole world won't be able to recover from it. ".
The last remaining major bilateral accord limiting the United States' and Russia's arsenals, New START, expires in just 14 months. And Russian leaders have rejected the Biden administration's offers to discuss a new nuclear arms control framework, which follows the dismantling of other accords meant to lessen the risk of conflict. We are on the precipice of living in a world that has no restraints on how many nuclear weapons are deployed.
President Vladimir Putin of Russia continues to raise the specter of escalating his war on Ukraine to nuclear use. India and Pakistan have an estimated 170 nuclear weapons each but are expanding their arsenals. USA Intelligence believes China plans to double by 2030 the size of its stockpile of an estimated 500 warheads, as it continues the most ambitious expansion and diversification of its weaponry in its history. North Korea has developed missiles designed to strike America. The war in Gaza threatens to expand into a wider regional conflict; Israel already has nuclear weapons and Iran is moving closer to building a bomb, risking a proliferation cascade throughout the Middle East.
The nuclear risk isn't found only among America's adversaries. Allies without nuclear aims are now seriously discussing whether they also need nuclear capability. The recently impeached South Korean president, Yoon Suk-yeol, has raised the possibility of building a bomb, and polls have shown that 70 percent of Koreans think the country should. If South Korea proceeds, experts assume Japan will as well. Germany is debating whether it should develop its own nuclear program, and Poland has sought a more active role in NATO's nuclear sharing. Ukraine's leader, President Volodymyr Zelensky, has made his nation's need for a nuclear weapon clear if the country isn't granted NATO membership.
If Mr. Trump is serious about truly making America great again, this is one critical issue where he can make his mark. The United States spent the second half of the 20th century and into the next with a single stated goal when it came to nuclear weapons: to make the world safer from them. After its devastating bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this aim was not a given in the first several decades of the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union amassed nuclear arsenals large enough to destroy the human race many times over. By the early 1960's, the Americans and Soviets appeared to be on a collision course toward nuclear war, armed with the most dangerous technology man has ever produced.
The Cuban Missile Crisis put both countries on a new path. In 1963, the superpowers agreed to the first treaty on nuclear testing. By 1968, many nations of the world had agreed in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to a grand bargain: In exchange for nonnuclear states forgoing such weapons, the nuclear states would work to get rid of theirs. Facing ever more public pressure, American leaders and diplomats would spend the next five decades leading the effort to set limits on the number of nuclear warheads deployed, as well as establish transparency and clear lines of communication. Shrinking the nuclear arsenal became a bipartisan, generational effort.
Today, nearly all of that work has unraveled.
It can't be ignored that in his first term, Mr. Trump played a significant role in fostering at least some of the risk the world now faces. Yet, given the changed landscape, the United States will have no choice but to lead something that, based on his campaign rhetoric, Mr. Trump appears to embrace.
In the past, Mr. Trump has said that he first appreciated the true danger of nuclear weapons after talking to an unlikely source: his uncle, an M. I. T. Professor. In 1986, when he was still principally a New York real estate developer, Mr. Trump reached out to the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, which had just received a Nobel Peace Prize for its disarmament work. He hoped to arrange negotiations with the Soviets to lower the nuclear threat.
Now it will be the job of President Trump to pull the world back from the brink. It's time to discuss what he and the United States should prioritize.
I.
America Should.
RENEW ARMS.
CONTROL TALKS.
Visiting Hiroshima in 2016, President Barack Obama was optimistic enough to call on nations that possessed nuclear weapons to "have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them. ".
Abolition is something the United States has not seriously considered and cannot now afford to consider. With China's unprecedented nuclear buildup underway, the world faces, for the first time, the reality of not just two but three nuclear superpowers. The bipolar strategic balance of the Cold War no longer holds. American diplomats have no choice but to figure out how to restart sustained arms control negotiations and lay the groundwork for future generations to complete the job of nuclear disarmament.
America's tests provide the military with fresh.
Data on how its personnel and aging weapons.
Systems perform in a real-world scenario.
Air Force officers work every day on 24-hour.
Shifts in underground bunkers, awaiting.
The signal to launch if the president ever gives.
The order.
The tests also send an unmistakable message.
To America's adversaries that the nuclear arsenal.
Is ready if that command ever comes.
Mr. Trump's first administration refused to sign on to the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, in keeping with other nuclear nations' stance on the ban. It also unilaterally withdrew the United States from the Iran nuclear deal, the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and the Open Skies Treaty. But Mr. Trump did demonstrate an ambitious willingness to sit down with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, even though those talks ultimately went nowhere.
He has a chance now to atone for past mistakes. Masoud Pezeshkian, the new president of Iran, has signaled a willingness to restart serious nuclear negotiations with the West.
Mr. Trump's campaign trumpeted his withdrawal from the previous deal, but in September, the candidate told reporters that he may be open to new talks. As reported in Politico, when asked about it, Mr. Trump said: "We have to make a deal, because the consequences are impossible. We have to make a deal. ".
Mr. Trump, to his credit, grasps the dangers here. Perhaps he can also use some of his influence with President Putin to come to terms on the issue. Here again, some of his campaign rhetoric offers a glimpse of hope. Referring to Mr. Putin, Mr. Trump said in 2023, "he goes, 'You know, we're a great nuclear power. ' he says that publicly now. " Mr. Trump added, falsely: "he never said that when I was here. Because you don't talk about it. It's too destructive. You don't talk about it. Now they're talking about it all the time. ".
To entice China to the table, Mr. Trump could express an openness to declare that the United States would not be the first to use nuclear weapons. The president-elect has shown a willingness to engage, inviting China's leader, Xi Jinping, to his January inauguration.
China has spent the past year signaling the importance of this issue as a necessary requirement for it to move forward in meaningful nuclear talks.
A willingness to engage on a blanket no-first-use policy may ease tensions and provide a foothold for more ambitious discussions.
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America Should.
ENSURE NUCLEAR TESTING.
BANS STAY PUT.
While the military still regularly tests the intercontinental ballistic missiles that would deliver a nuclear strike, it hasn't conducted an explosive underground test of the warheads themselves in more than three decades.
A moratorium on testing nuclear weapons has also held in China and Russia. There are growing fears this could soon change, as all three nations update and expand the infrastructure and sites needed to test nuclear weapons, according to commercial satellite imagery by Planet Labs PBC. The photos, analyzed by the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, show each nation is adding buildings, cutting roads and boring tunnels construction that many fear could presage live explosions.
A nuclear weapon doesn't need to be used in war to have lasting impact. More than 2,000 such weapons were tested during the 20th century, spreading fallout that still affects human beings, public health and the environment. That, in part, is why the United States, along with every other country with nuclear weapons, except North Korea, has voluntarily observed a testing moratorium since the 1990's. The next Trump administration should work to make sure it remains in effect.
The conservative manifesto Project 2025, published by the Heritage Foundation, specifically calls for preparing the nuclear testing site in Nevada for a new generation of tests, which unlike the tests at Vandenberg involve detonating actual nuclear explosives. Last summer, in the journal Foreign Affairs, Mr. Trump's former national security adviser Robert O'Brien wrote that "the United States has to maintain technical and numerical superiority to the combined Chinese and Russian nuclear stockpiles. To do so, Washington must test new nuclear weapons for reliability and safety in the real world for the first time since 1992 not just by using computer models. " Given this logic, Russia and China would be justified in thinking the same.
Mr. Trump's campaign distanced itself from both Project 2025 and Mr. O'Brien's comments, and Mr. O'Brien has not yet been tapped to join the next administration.
While there is no nuclear warhead in this.
Missile, the military still must clear the surrounding airspace and stretch of ocean.
For safety.
If a part fails or the missile veers off course.
During flight, the military will destroy it by.
Remotely detonating onboard explosives.
Data from the missile streams into the Air.
Force's encrypted computer system inside the.
Launch monitoring center.
If Mr. Trump decides the United States should resume nuclear explosive testing, China and Russia will almost surely follow suit. Mr. Putin has already threatened as much. Emerging nuclear powers, such as Iran, would also presumably feel no restraint on carrying out their own tests.
On top of all this, it makes no strategic sense. Starting to test again now would erode the huge scientific advantage the United States enjoys today. The USA Government has conducted more than 1,000 known nuclear detonations more than China and the Soviet Union combined. Data from those tests, combined with our unparalleled computing power, has allowed America to maintain and improve its arsenal in a way that its rivals can't.
III.
America Should.
REVIEW USA SPENDING.
The United States, Russia and China are now feverishly overhauling their nuclear arsenals in sweeping multibillion-dollar efforts that the federal government benignly calls "modernizing. " The Pentagon plans to update the nuclear arsenal over the next 30 years, including the missiles, bomber jets, submarines and warheads, at nearly $2 trillion.
Mr. Trump could roll back some of that effort. Why must the USA Military replace all of its weapons in one go? Hundreds of millions of dollars could be saved simply by buying fewer of them. Even if Mr. Trump doesn't want to cancel anything, he could at least give himself the political space to rethink such investments by appointing a commission to examine the full range and progress of the modernization plans, which are already over-budget and behind schedule.
The cost of this one test launch: $18 million. It.
Takes about 200 service members to carry it out.
Two officers act as if they've received the.
Presidential order, turning keys on.
Their consoles that ignite the 79,432-pound.
Missile's rocket engines.
Once the weapon roars into the night sky, a.
Message flashes on screens: "MSLA," shorthand.
For "Missile Away. ".
Project 2025, however, rejects congressional efforts to find more cost-effective alternatives to the current plans, calling instead for a nuclear escalation that could rival President Ronald Reagan's at the height of the Cold War.
While Mr. Trump may have distanced himself from Project 2025 on the campaign trail, Christopher Miller, a former USA Army Special Forces colonel who served as his acting defense secretary, was the lead author of its 42-page chapter on defense. Some other alarming proposals include that the second Trump White House prioritize nuclear weapons; develop nuclear-armed, sea-launched cruise missiles, which were withdrawn in the early 1990's; and continue a Biden-era effort to develop a sweeping, untested "cruise missile defense of the homeland" all of which would require a significant budget increase to bankroll.
Mr. Trump has often condemned the hawkish attitudes of other conservatives. This is the time for him to show that he believes nuclear escalation is a bad idea. It's taken some political courage for Mr. Trump to stake out an independent path from Republican orthodoxy on war-and-peace issues, and this is a chance to put his own views into action.
IV.
America Should.
END SOLE AUTHORITY.
President Trump will command about 3,700 weapons that he alone is empowered to launch. Any decision responding to an incoming nuclear attack on the United States would have to be made within as little as 15 minutes.
It is concern over any precipitous action that led Senator Edward Markey of Massachusetts and Representative Ted Lieu of California, both Democrats, last year to propose legislation to prohibit any president from launching a first-strike nuclear weapon without congressional approval.
Although it is unlikely to be taken up by this Republican-led Congress, the bill would not undercut Mr. Trump's ability to respond to a nuclear attack, an authority all presidents have had and should have.
Agreeing that a pre-emptive nuclear strike should also be endorsed by Congress would be a signal to the world that the United States is serious about limiting nuclear brinkmanship that disputes among nations should not turn on impulsive nuclear threats of the type that Mr. Putin regularly issues. Mr. Trump wouldn't be weakening himself. He'the be showing the world that he rejects hollow threats.
Fire and exhaust light up the foggy coastline.
As the Minuteman III missile traces an arc across.
The Pacific.
Roughly a half-hour later, a dummy warhead.
Falls away, re-entering the Earth's atmosphere at.
A blistering four miles per second.
It strikes the target area a lagoon in the middle.
Of the Marshall Islands' Kwajalein Atoll like a.
Lightning bolt.
Data from this exercise in June will help USA.
Commanders fine-tune future tests scheduled.
Under the next Trump administration.
One paradox of the nuclear age is that it has often been the most bellicose leaders who become the most committed and who are the most effective at securing arms control deals and shrinking global stockpiles. Dwight Eisenhower, who led the allied war effort against the Nazis, came to warn against the military-industrial complex. Nikita Khrushchev and John F. Kennedy were swaggering brinksmen until they brought the world close to annihilation. Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev each came to see that nuclear weapons were vastly more dangerous in an unstable world.
Donald Trump ran a campaign of peace through strength. Time will tell if he can deliver what he promised. But all Americans should rejoice if Mr. Trump leaves the world a safer place from nuclear weapons than it was when he took office for the second time.
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise.[/QUOTE]Who tried to fuck your Capitol? Not even Bin Laden. USA seem so scared of China with 4 times more population and same for India, when USA are less than 5% of the new world. Biggest danger for USA is to come, inside.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968989]There are two problems with your analysis. The first is that the name of the highly partisan Democrat economist Larry Summers is on that paper, along with several other economists who work at Harvard and the IMF. Summers was Director of the NEA under Obama and Treasury Secretary under Clinton.
The second is that it's not much of an academic theory. Rather it's mostly common sense. As they say in the paper, "Home prices are up almost 50 percent since the start of the pandemic, while the 30-year mortgage rate has tripled since the historic lows of 2021. Given that home prices remain at historic highs despite higher interest rates, the interest payment on a new 30-year mortgage for the average house has increased more than threefold since 2021. The interest payment on a new car loan has increased more than 80 percent since the start of the pandemic. It is not surprising that this would affect how consumers feel about the economy. ".
None of that is reflected in the CPI. And even not considering the interest-related costs borne by the workingman, the median real weekly earnings from the date of Biden's inauguration until September 30,2024, just before the election, barely budged. They went down slightly.
You most likely don't have to make car payments or house payments in the USA. You don't shop for groceries or buy gasoline in the USA. As such, you don't understand what's obvious to many Americans.
You always come back to the 1. 5% margin by which Trump won the presidency. Well, Trump was a very poor general election candidate. Any other mainstream, reasonably likeable, well known Republican candidate would have beat Harris like a drum. And the reason why is what we've been debating.[/QUOTE]So nobody has been able to buy anything, go anywhere, travel or eat an egg in America since Biden recovered us from the worst economic downturn since GW Bush, which was the worst economic downturn since Reagan, which was the worst economic downturn since Hoover. Because Larry Summers told you so.
Got it.
And how about the Repub claiming to have produced "the greatest economy ever" by adding Trillons to the deficit with an economic "stimulus" legislation that produced a million fewer jobs with it than without it assuring us that "107% of the new jobs Biden created went to illegal aliens" and that "tariffs are tax payments to American Consumers by other countries and we will be able to pay for all the child-care and anything else anyone needs with the money we get from taroffs on China"?
Brilliant conservative economic principles, right? Got a nice fanciful, lazy academic chart to support those? What does Larry Summers have to say about it? If he says hey it's all good you'll be fine with it too, right?
I make mortgage payments in the USA and have done so for one property or another since 1986, paying USA Federal taxes since 1966, paid California State taxes from 1966 to 2013.
I assume the data on jobs creation, purchasing power, gas prices, retail sales, travel trends, GDP Growth, the stock market, housing values, corporate profits, the unrmployment rate, jobs creation, NBER's Recession analysis etc did not suddenly become one lie after another over the past 4 years of the Biden-Harris / Dem recovery from Trump's Pandemic. Unless you have heard otherwise from Larry Summers, that is.
[B]Fed cuts by a quarter point, indicates fewer reductions ahead.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/18/fed-rate-decision-december-2024-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Powell has indicated that the rate cuts are an effort to recalibrate policy as it does not need to be as restrictive under the current conditions.
We think the economy is in really good place. We think policy is in a really good place, he said Wednesday.[/QUOTE]Hasn't Powell heard Larry Summers' pronouncement on this? The Fed should be as angry about the state of today's [B]sucky[/B] economy as that relative handful of Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims across just three states that "gave Trump the presidency" while Trump has also acknowledged as much. They should be lowering the Fed Funds Rate to 0% or near it to pull us out of this horrible economic downturn like they had to with at least 4 Repub presidents' economic policy results over the past 100 years!
Doesn't the Fed have access to all those lovely charts and graphs that Larry Summers and his slavish devotees refer to that prove this economy [B]sucks[/B] because Biden's [B]economic policy sucks[/B]?
Oh, but then there is this:
[QUOTE]Moreover, the Fed will have to deal with the impact of fiscal policy under President-elect Donald Trump, who has indicated plans for [b]tariffs, tax cuts and mass deportations that all could be inflationary[/b] and complicate the central banks job.
We need to take our time, not rush and make a very careful assessment, but only when weve actually seen what the policies are and how theyve been implemented, Powell said of the Trump plans. Were just not at that stage.[/QUOTE]Well, we know Trump has already increased the price of imported goods and products since the election. His repeated insistence that he will add 10%-25%-200% across-the-board tariffs on so many imported goods and services "on Day One" has created uncommonly high and early retailer demand for front loading inventory that has driven container and shipping costs to increase. The higher costs of which will be passed on to the American Consumer and will absolutely positively not be paid by China, Canada, Mexico or any other countries.
Then again, until Larry Summers weighs in on it nobody really knows what to think about it.
Numbskull Repub President-elect Ramaswamy has not as of this writing weighed in but Numbskull President-elect Musk and Numbskull Repub President-elect Banning have been very clear that they want ChristoFascist Mike to follow the venerable tradition of the Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat Repub Party in simply shutting down the government instead of earning so much as one more day of their generous American tax-payer dollars paychecks by actually working for their pay.
[B]Trump joins Elon Musk in opposing House GOP's government funding bill.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/18/trump-joins-elon-musk-in-opposing-house-gops-government-funding-bill.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Note to Larry Summers: THIS is why Biden and the Dems had no choice but to get as much economic stimulus into the system as early as possible to pull America and the rest of the world out of the colossal and unprecedented disaster of Trump's Pandemic and whatever variation of it might have mutated into existence at any moment back in early 2021 in the first trip to the well. As long as THIS current incarnation of the Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat Repub Party exists and it was easily predictable by historic precedence that they would be granted at least a Pink Tinkle Majority in the House by the usual fine and clear understanding of how the national economy works, legislation and governance gets done by the American Electorate, there was no way they could count on incrimental increases if or when it might be desperately needed.
The fact that Biden and the Dems ONLY over-estimated by a dime or two and arguably if even that much in order to make it unnecessary to go back to the Numbskull Repub Congress Pink Tinkle well any time after January 2023 and that America only had to endure a relatively minor transitional rate of Inflation compared to the rest of the world is a testament to his and the Dems' true brilliance in what could and should be done to prevent another Great Repub Depression as well as, very possibly, millions more Americans and others mass murdered by Trump's incompetence.
This current incarnation of the Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat Repub Party is infinitely more malignant and hateful of America than when Nude Grinbitch's version of it for the last 6 years of Bill Clinton's presidency simply meant they kept themselves busy doing nothing but a couple of expensive and wasteful government shutdowns while they spent their few working days just sniffing around Clinton's dick and balls to find out where they've been.
It is currently more malignant and hateful of America than when they pushed for shutdown after shutdown, finally got the USA credit rating lowered and were happy to spend their few working days ranting about Obama's tan suit and whether or not he was called "Barry" in his university days.
No, this time around they have managed to gin up their hatred for America to another level. It is going to be a wild and potentially most damaging to America and Americans' conservative Repub ride for the next four years.
Those less than 115,000 domestic terrorist-inclined angry, Netanyahu-hating Muslims who shouted "Allahu Akbar" as they sailed into polling places in those three states to swing the election to Trump instead of Harris sure got their anti-America goals met. Perhaps more than even they ever hoped for or expected.
And if anyone doubts that both Party's will eventually come to realize that was indeed the "tie-breaker" demo and motive that swung the election from Harris to Trump, let's see how much pandering and catering to the Muslim communities in PA, MI and WI each Party lavishes on them starting sometime in early 2028. And if he is still installed and not in prison, let's see what Netanyahu does that year to manupulate that demo into "giving the presidency" to his preferred nominee then. LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2968995]So nobody has been able to buy anything, go anywhere, travel or eat an egg in America since Biden recovered us from the worst economic downturn since GW Bush, which was the worst economic downturn since Reagan, which was the worst economic downturn since Hoover. Because Larry Summers told you so.
Got it.
And how about the Repub claiming to have produced "the greatest economy ever" by adding Trillons to the deficit with an economic "stimulus" legislation that produced a million fewer jobs with it than without it assuring us that "107% of the new jobs Biden created went to illegal aliens" and that "tariffs are tax payments to American Consumers by other countries and we will be able to pay for all the child-care and anything else anyone needs with the money we get from taroffs on China"?
Brilliant conservative economic principles, right? Got a nice fanciful, lazy academic chart to support those? What does Larry Summers have to say about it? If he says hey it's all good you'll be fine with it too, right?
I make mortgage payments in the USA and have done so for one property or another since 1986, paying USA Federal taxes since 1966, paid California State taxes from 1966 to 2013.
I assume the data on jobs creation, purchasing power, gas prices, retail sales, travel trends, GDP Growth, the stock market, housing values, corporate profits, the unrmployment rate, jobs creation, NBER's Recession analysis etc did not suddenly become one lie after another over the past 4 years of the Biden-Harris / Dem recovery from Trump's Pandemic. Unless you have heard otherwise from Larry Summers, that is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969000][B]Fed cuts by a quarter point, indicates fewer reductions ahead.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/18/fed-rate-decision-december-2024-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Hasn't Powell heard Larry Summers' pronouncement on this? The Fed should be as angry about the state of today's [B]sucky[/B] economy as that relative handful of Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims across just three states that "gave Trump the presidency" while Trump has also acknowledged as much. They should be lowering the Fed Funds Rate to 0% or near it to pull us out of this horrible economic downturn like they had to with at least 4 Repub presidents' economic policy results over the past 100 years!
Doesn't the Fed have access to all those lovely charts and graphs that Larry Summers and his slavish devotees refer to that prove this economy [B]sucks[/B] because Biden's [B]economic policy sucks[/B]?
Oh, but then there is this:
Well, we know Trump has already increased the price of imported goods and products since the election. His repeated insistence that he will add 10%-25%-200% across-the-board tariffs on so many imported goods and services "on Day One" has created uncommonly high and early retailer demand for front loading inventory that has driven container and shipping costs to increase. The higher costs of which will be passed on to the American Consumer and will absolutely positively not be paid by China, Canada, Mexico or any other countries.
Then again, until Larry Summers weighs in on it nobody really knows what to think about it.[/QUOTE]I'm about to give up Tooms. This is like arguing theology with a Southern Baptist minister.
Summers is more upset than you are about Democratic losses in the election. Furthermore, he agrees with you, and me, that if Trump does what he said he will, his policies would have the potential to be more inflationary than Biden's. Summers however notes that Trump's advisors like Bessent are very aware of and sensitive to markets, which hopefully will help save Trump from himself. You've already seen him back off on his threat to fire Jerome Powell. What Summers doesn't say, because he's a partisan Democrat like you, is that Biden's people weren't as knowledgeable about markets. His chief economic advisor was a social worker. Janet Yellen had good instincts, but the Elizabeth Warren appointees in the White House were calling the shots.
This is all in an interview of Summers by the FT's Martin Wolf last week. Summers also basically repeated my explanation to you of why Harris lost (higher prices, including increases in the cost of money). And here was his response to Wolf's contention, similar to yours, that supply shocks, shortages and the war in Ukraine were primarily responsible for inflation: "I find it surprising that people who I respect would take the position that you just laid out. I'd advise those at some distance from the debate that they may want to give more weight to the views of those who forecast inflation than to the views of those who were confident it would not take place. And were confident when it started to appear, it was only transitory. ".
You realize the reason the Dow dropped 1100 points today was because the Fed signaled it won't drop rates as quickly as many expected? And it's entirely possible part of the reason is that the Fed fears the inflationary effects of what Trump says he wants to do? Or is reacting to similar fears on the part of bond investors, who've moved yields up recently?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969063]I'm about to give up Tooms. This is like arguing theology with a Southern Baptist minister.
Summers is more upset than you are about Democratic losses in the election. Furthermore, he agrees with you, and me, that if Trump does what he said he will, his policies would have the potential to be more inflationary than Biden's. Summers however notes that Trump's advisors like Bessent are very aware of and sensitive to markets, which hopefully will help save Trump from himself. You've already seen him back off on his threat to fire Jerome Powell. What Summers doesn't say, because he's a partisan Democrat like you, is that Biden's people weren't as knowledgeable about markets. His chief economic advisor was a social worker. Janet Yellen had good instincts, but the Elizabeth Warren appointees in the White House were calling the shots.
This is all in an interview of Summers by the FT's Martin Wolf last week. Summers also basically repeated my explanation to you of why Harris lost (higher prices, including increases in the cost of money). And here was his response to Wolf's contention, similar to yours, that supply shocks, shortages and the war in Ukraine were primarily responsible for inflation: "I find it surprising that people who I respect would take the position that you just laid out. I'd advise those at some distance from the debate that they may want to give more weight to the views of those who forecast inflation than to the views of those who were confident it would not take place. And were confident when it started to appear, it was only transitory. ".
You realize the reason the Dow dropped 1100 points today was because the Fed signaled it won't drop rates as quickly as many expected? And it's entirely possible part of the reason is that the Fed fears the inflationary effects of what Trump says he wants to do? Or is reacting to similar fears on the part of bond investors, who've moved yields up recently?[/QUOTE]Interesting that Summers' big media coverage on this comes after the election and on the world famous Martin Wolf private party club.
He probably would have gotten that message to a wider audience if YOU had bothered to mention it here before you were cornered into it. And prior to the election would have been nice.
That is quite a difference from the whirlwind media coverage good ol' Dem-partisan Larry got or apparently even tried to get in the lead up to the 2022 midterms and in the years prior to the handful of angry Muslim election of Trump last month, wouldn't you say? At one point the name "Larry Summers" was better known and repeated throughout Mainstream Media and HERE as Kamala Harris.
Of course, MSM and You were a lot more motivated and fond of posting, airing and repeating his Biden / Dem-slamming message back then.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969063]I'm about to give up Tooms. This is like arguing theology with a Southern Baptist minister.[/QUOTE]Here is the big difference; a Southern Baptist minister has zero evidence that there is a god or that the spirit of long dead and buried Jesus Christ gives a shit about human beings or anything else on planet Earth.
By stark contrast, I have all available evidence, data and the historical record on my side proving that no Repub potus' policies and stewardship of the past 100 years produced anything but crap results vs that of, say, Jimmy Carter much less Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden in terms of economic recovery, economic expansion and average annual jobs creation unless that Repub has also tripled the National Debt to counter the crap results of his policies and stewardship without it.
On my side of the argument, I've got every major downturn, every historic jobs destruction and none of the major economic recoveries, economic expansions and historic jobs creation for Repubs over the past 100 years vs every major economic recovery, economic expansion, historic jobs creation and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions or Historic Jobs Destruction for Dems.
Southern Baptists ministers only have, "oh, but look at the pretty trees. ".
The latter of which is a hell of a lot closer to the way Repubs, Bothsiders and Neithersiders argue in favor of their beloved Repubs than you probably are willing to acknowledge.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969063]I'm about to give up Tooms. This is like arguing theology with a Southern Baptist minister.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am not sure what you expected.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/biden-lied-about-everything-philly-fed-finds-all-jobs-created-q2-were-fake[/URL]
So after Biden lied about creating nearly one million jobs in 2023, his labor department lied again in Q2 2024.
And so, after it first revised the 12 months ending March 31 by 818 K, the downgrades extended into the second quarter of 2024, when the Philadelphia Fed early benchmark estimates showed that instead of the 1. 1% gain shown initially by the BLS, payroll jobs in the 50 states and the District of Columbia were actually down 0. 1%!
We do know that all the jobs reportedly "created" in the second quarter, were actually fake, there were no net jobs created at all, and in fact, the US lost jobs in Q2!
Translation: in his latest attempt to create an impression of economic growth, Biden lied about everything, again.
End of link. And keep in mind these job losses came despite record deficits with Biden creating as many bullshit federal jobs as he could.
Then you had Loony Tooms not only bragging about the great job market but saying crime was down.
That was MSNBC and the NYT blabbing about government stats that were bullshit as well. Crime was not down. The police were just not arresting criminals.
There is a great youtube video on the subject about Burlington, VT here, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lA_DsvuvY[/URL].
The title is They Ruined My Hometown. Don't Let This Happen to Yours (Burlington, VT) 🇺127480;.
You do not have to watch the whole video. The first 15 minutes with the shop keeper is enough. He describes how the homeless think stealing from his store became a right when Biden came into office. In fact, that was the real Biden strategy, using the homeless and illegals to outvote guys like the shopkeeper. This is where Democrats fall on their face with rule of law. They will make up some shit law with Trump and bend themselves all out of shape when a Congressman fucks a lying 17 year old hooker with a fake ID, both victimless crimes, but when the homeless steal, that is okay.
They will also turn a blind eye to the homeless smoking crack in front of the town's church and for some reason even in deep blue Vermont, all this criminal activity somehow is the fault of the MAGA movement and Trump.
Then you have the other alternative media site with Joe Rogan bringing on billionaire Marc Anderson who pointed out after the Obama bank reform bill, no new banks have opened. He switched from Dem to Republican after seeing Biden and the Dems wanting to control the entire AI market by having only 2 or 3 AI companies under government control. That is much like the banks today.
The merging of public and private, the use of NGOs funded by government doing things the government cannot do WAS Biden's and Obama's economic policy and just like the USSR and China, it had its early successes. At first the productive people try to make it work. But with productive people like the Vermont shopkeeper, it only works if he stays on. Once the productive people catch on they are being lied to and used, the system falls apart.
So the better question to ask Loony Tooms is how is the Biden-Obama economic policy any different than the CCP because I do not see much difference at all. With China, they are on the verge of collapse with most every productive person looking to park their capital abroad. The rich Chinese are overpaying for foreign assets just to have them outside of the greedy hands of the CCP.
As it stands now, the move of the productive from blue to red states was on. With Biden, the next phase was their moving out of the country.
When you look at shit cities like Burlington VT or San Francisco, you can only lie and blame MAGA and Trump for so long. Eventually the Democrats and their shit economic policies come home to roost.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2969157]LOL. I am not sure what you expected.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/biden-lied-about-everything-philly-fed-finds-all-jobs-created-q2-were-fake[/URL]
So after Biden lied about creating nearly one million jobs in 2023, his labor department lied again in Q2 2024.
And so, after it first revised the 12 months ending March 31 by 818 K, the downgrades extended into the second quarter of 2024, when the Philadelphia Fed early benchmark estimates showed that instead of the 1. 1% gain shown initially by the BLS, payroll jobs in the 50 states and the District of Columbia were actually down 0. 1%!
We do know that all the jobs reportedly "created" in the second quarter, were actually fake, there were no net jobs created at all, and in fact, the US lost jobs in Q2!
Translation: in his latest attempt to create an impression of economic growth, Biden lied about everything, again.[/QUOTE]Bernie Sanders country is going red and jumping on the Trump train also.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969209]Bernie Sanders country is going red and jumping on the Trump train also.[/QUOTE]All MAGAs aboard!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969209]Bernie Sanders country is going red and jumping on the Trump train also.[/QUOTE]The NYT story is under a paywall. It looks like Dems lost a supermajority in both chambers in Vermont but still dominate the Legislature there. [URL]https://www.sevendaysvt.com/news/democrats-on-track-to-lose-supermajority-in-legislature-42212929[/URL].
Democrats and Progressive currently hold a combined 109 seats, more than the 100 votes needed to override vetoes by Gov. Phil Scott. In the Senate, meanwhile, Democrats and Progressives currently have 23 seats.
But by the end of election night, Democrats had lost their grip in both chambers, giving Scott much more leverage. The governor, who cruised to reelection on Tuesday night, campaigned vigorously this cycle for other Republicans he said would help him bring affordability to the state.
End of link. Yeah, Vermont is moving in the right direction, but it is sad Republicans are not ruling there yet. If you watch the whole video, what really got me is how many regular citizens were scared to talk on camera about the shit conditions of Burlington. This is the Democratic douche version of justice. They can say anything about MAGA and Trump but any negatives about Democratic douches and their policies and it is misinformation that needs to be censored.
You have to wonder how many of these Democratic ciities, even smaller ones like Burlington, are this messed up. Like San Francisco, it is a beautiful city that has gone to shit.
In a secret ballot, the House Ethics Committee members, have decided to release their findings, in the Matt Gaetz, ethnics report.
Seems like there are enough Repub House Ethic Committee members, who (secretly anyways) despise Matt Gaetz, after all.
However, it's release, said to happen, just before the Christmas holidays, is the perfect timing for the Repub cowards and Gaetz sympathizers, to run-home for the holidays, and not have answer uncomfortable or difficult questions, w/r to Gaetz's pathetic nomination, should said report be demonstrably incriminating, due to Gaetz's alleged pedo, sex trafficking, drug fueled, sex parties.
Stay Tuned!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2969267]In a secret ballot, the House Ethics Committee members, have decided to release their findings, in the Matt Gaetz, ethnics report.
Seems like there are enough Repub House Ethic Committee members, who (secretly) despise Matt Gaetz, after all.
However, it's release, just before the Christmas holidays, is the perfect timing for Repub cowards and Gaetz sympathizers, to run-home for the holidays, who shall not be answering any uncomfortable or difficult questions, w/r to Gaetz's pathetic nomination should said report be demonstrably incriminating, due to Gaetz's alleged pedo, sex trafficking, drug fueled, sex parties.
Stay Tuned![/QUOTE]Gaetz's alleged, sex trafficking, drug fueled, sex parties.
But I'm in for the rest of it LMFAO, where do I sign up?
This is ISG after all, maybe you should get back to your nambla / feminist lesbian forums.
Gaetz for President 2028!!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2969267]In a secret ballot, the House Ethics Committee members, have decided to release their findings, in the Matt Gaetz, ethnics report.
Seems like there are enough Repub House Ethic Committee members, who (secretly anyways) despise Matt Gaetz, after all.
However, it's release, said to happen, just before the Christmas holidays, is the perfect timing for the Repub cowards and Gaetz sympathizers, to run-home for the holidays, and not have answer uncomfortable or difficult questions, w/r to Gaetz's pathetic nomination, should said report be demonstrably incriminating, due to Gaetz's alleged pedo, sex trafficking, drug fueled, sex parties.
Stay Tuned![/QUOTE]And just when we thought Watergaetz was over! LOLOLOL!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969149]Here is the big difference; [b]a Southern Baptist minister has zero evidence that there is a god[/b] or that the spirit of long dead and buried Jesus Christ gives a shit about human beings or anything else on planet Earth.
By stark contrast, I have all available evidence, data and the historical record on my side proving that no Repub potus' policies and stewardship of the past 100 years produced anything but crap results vs that of, say, Jimmy Carter much less Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden in terms of economic recovery, economic expansion and average annual jobs creation unless that Repub has also tripled the National Debt to counter the crap results of his policies and stewardship without it.
[b]On my side of the argument, I've got every major downturn, every historic jobs destruction and none of the major economic recoveries, economic expansions and historic jobs creation for Repubs over the past 100 years[/b] vs every major economic recovery, economic expansion, historic jobs creation and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions or Historic Jobs Destruction for Dems.
Southern Baptists ministers only have, "oh, but look at the pretty trees. ".
The latter of which is a hell of a lot closer to the way Repubs, Bothsiders and Neithersiders argue in favor of their beloved Repubs than you probably are willing to acknowledge.[/QUOTE]Agreed!
I'm surprised, Tiny 12, didn't again turn to Chat GTP for answers, on Southern Baptist ministerial Repubs and see a pic of the [B]"Black Nazi" pastor[/B], Repub Mark Robinson (NC), who denies going by the moniker [I][b]"minisoldr",[/b][/i] on the sex forum Nude Africa.
But just like Repubs caught in their own web of lies (especially since he's pulling a Trump, trying to sue the press for false claims), Robinson has now recently been seen, as logged in to a state meeting as 'minisoldr,', the very handle (in the sex forum), he claims, to know nothing about! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969000][B]Fed cuts by a quarter point, indicates fewer reductions ahead.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/18/fed-rate-decision-december-2024-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
Hasn't Powell heard Larry Summers' pronouncement on this? The Fed should be as angry about the state of today's [B]sucky[/B] economy as that relative handful of Netanyahu-hating but already regretful Muslims across just three states that "gave Trump the presidency" while Trump has also acknowledged as much. They should be lowering the Fed Funds Rate to 0% or near it to pull us out of this horrible economic downturn like they had to with at least 4 Repub presidents' economic policy results over the past 100 years!
Doesn't the Fed have access to all those lovely charts and graphs that Larry Summers and his slavish devotees refer to that prove this economy [B]sucks[/B] because Biden's [B]economic policy sucks[/B]?
Oh, but then there is this:
Well, we know Trump has already increased the price of imported goods and products since the election. His repeated insistence that he will add 10%-25%-200% across-the-board tariffs on so many imported goods and services "on Day One" has created uncommonly high and early retailer demand for front loading inventory that has driven container and shipping costs to increase. The higher costs of which will be passed on to the American Consumer and will absolutely positively not be paid by China, Canada, Mexico or any other countries.
Then again, until Larry Summers weighs in on it nobody really knows what to think about it.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/19/us/politics/voter-turnout-election-trump-harris.html[/URL]
Change in votes compared with 2020.
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Harris than Biden.
Key to Trump's Win: Heavy Losses for Harris Across the Map.
By Ashley Wu, Lazaro Gamio, Robert Gebeloff, Elena Shao and Michael see. Bender Nov. 19,2024.
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It may seem like a clear story: Donald Trump won the election by winning the most votes. He improved on his totals, adding about 2. 5 million more votes than four years ago. But just as consequential to the outcome were Kamala Harris's losses: She earned about 7 million fewer votes compared with Joseph are. Biden Jr. 's performance in 2020.
Ms. Harris failed to find new voters in three of the seven swing states and in 80 percent of counties across the country, a New York Times analysis shows. In the places where she matched or exceeded Mr. Biden's vote totals, she failed to match Mr. Trump's gains.
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We can't yet know how many Biden voters backed Mr. Trump or did not vote at all this cycle. But the decline in support for Ms. Harris in some of the country's most liberal areas is particularly notable. Compared with Mr. Biden, she lost hundreds of thousands of votes in major cities including Chicago, LOS Angeles and New York, and overall earned about 10 percent fewer votes in counties Mr. Biden won four years ago.
Mr. Trump, by contrast, found new voters in most counties, with significant gains in red states like Texas and Florida and also in blue states like New Jersey and New York.
Change in votes by county partisanship, compared with 2020.
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Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, acknowledged that Biden voters who swung toward Mr. Trump played a part in Ms. Harris's loss, but pointed to low Democratic turnout as the larger factor.
"They just weren't excited," Mr. Sabato said of Democratic voters. "They were probably disillusioned by inflation, maybe the border. And they didn't have the motivation to get up and go out to vote. ".
The national rightward shift is a continuation of voting patterns seen in the last two elections. Even in his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump found new voters across the country. (Both parties earned more votes in 2020 than in 2016.) And although Democrats outperformed expectations in 2022, when some had predicted a "red wave," they lost many voters who were dissatisfied with rising prices, pandemic-era restrictions and immigration policy.
At the local level, three distinct patterns help illustrate the overall outcome in 2024:
1. Where both candidates gained votes, but Trump gained more.
In hard-fought Georgia, both parties found new voters, but Mr. Trump outperformed Ms. Harris. For example, in Fulton County, which contains most of Atlanta, Ms. Harris gained about 4,500 votes, but Mr. Trump gained more than 7,400.
How vote totals changed in Atlanta precincts.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
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Atlanta.
Buckhead.
Forest Park.
Smyrna.
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By Eli Murray, Elena Shao, Charlie Smart and Christine Zhang.
In addition to his gains in the Atlanta area, Mr. Trump won new voters in every other part of Georgia. He flipped the state back to Republicans after Mr. Biden's win there in 2020. He similarly outran Ms. Harris where she made gains in Wake County, and. See. , Lancaster County, Pa. , and Montgomery County, Texas.
2. Where Trump gained a little and Harris lost a little.
In Milwaukee County in swing-state Wisconsin, Ms. Harris lost 1,200 voters compared with Mr. Biden's total in 2020, while Mr. Trump gained more than 3,500.
How vote totals changed in Milwaukee precincts.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
Fewer votes in 2024, compared with 2020.
Trump.
Milwaukee.
Cudahy.
Greenfield.
Wauwatosa.
West Allis.
Shorewood.
East Side.
Lake Michigan.
Whitefish Bay.
Harris.
Milwaukee.
Cudahy.
Greenfield.
Wauwatosa.
West Allis.
Shorewood.
East Side.
Lake Michigan.
Whitefish Bay.
By Eli Murray, Elena Shao, Charlie Smart and Christine Zhang.
Ms. Harris still won the county at large, but her margins there and in other liberal enclaves of Wisconsin were not enough to hold off Mr. Trump's victories in rural, blue-collar counties that voted Republican in 2016 and 2020.
Democrats' inability to maintain their vote totals in battleground states was also apparent in the crucial areas around Charlotte, and. See. , Flint, Mich. , and Scranton, Pa.
3. Where Trump gained a little and Harris lost a lot.
Mr. Trump won Florida's Miami-Dade County, becoming the first Republican to do so since 1988. But again, Ms. Harris's loss was just as much of the story as his gain: Mr. Trump won about 70,000 new votes in the county, while she lost nearly 140,000.
How vote totals changed in Miami precincts.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
Fewer votes in 2024, compared with 2020.
Trump.
Miami.
Hialeah.
Kendall.
Coral Gables.
Harris.
Miami.
Hialeah.
Kendall.
Coral Gables.
By Eli Murray, Elena Shao, Charlie Smart and Christine Zhang.
Other counties that Mr. Trump flipped had similar vote disparities. In 21 of these 77 counties, Mr. Trump received fewer votes in this election than in 2020, but the Democratic vote drop-off was much steeper. This happened from coast to coast, from Fresno County, Calif. , to Pinellas County, Fla.
Joel Benenson, the chief pollster for Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, said he thought Democratic turnout was hurt by the party's lack of a presidential primary. (Mr. Biden dropped out of the race in July.) That process, he said, helps energize core voters who get involved with volunteering, making phone calls and knocking on doors early in the year.
"That was a real challenge for Vice President Harris, who had a short runway and would have benefited from a real primary season," Mr. Benenson said. "Republicans had a contested primary even with a former president, they didn't just hand it to him. ".
Mr. Trump was clearly able to harness enthusiasm beyond his base. He made gains across almost all groups ranging in demographics, education and income, including those that traditionally made up the Democratic coalition. Ms. Harris failed to match Mr. Biden among the same groups.
Change in votes by county type, compared with 2020.
Counties Harris Trump.
Majority Black.
12%.
4%.
Majority Hispanic.
18%.
+7%.
Urban.
12%.
+3%.
High income.
9%.
+3%.
Highly educated.
9%.
+3%.
Retirement destinations.
2%.
+8%.
Pre-election polls showed minority voters swinging toward Mr. Trump, and he appeared to make gains with those groups. He picked up votes in majority-Hispanic counties and in Black neighborhoods of major cities, a preliminary analysis of precinct data shows. But he lost votes, as did Ms. Harris, in majority-Black counties, especially those in the South where turnout dropped overall.
Mr. Trump found new voters in more than 30 states, including in the battleground states that were the sites of robust campaigning. His gains were modest in most other places. Ms. Harris was able to improve on Mr. Biden's performance in only four of the seven battlegrounds and just five states overall.
Change in votes by state, compared with 2020.
Click columns to sort. Swing states are in bold.
States Harris Trump.
Arizona.
5%.
+6%.
Georgia.
+3%.
+8%.
Michigan.
3%.
+6%.
North Carolina.
+1%.
+5%.
Nevada.
+0. 2%.
+12%.
Pennsylvania.
1%.
+5%.
Wisconsin.
+2%.
+5%.
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John McLaughlin, Mr. Trump's campaign pollster, said the campaign was focused on finding supporters who were not reliable voters and making sure they turned out to the polls. He said that internal polling showed that voters who cast a ballot in 2024 after not voting in 2022 or 2020 supported Mr. Trump, 52 percent to 46 percent.
"The strategy was very much like 2016, to bring out casual voters who thought the country was on the wrong track," Mr. McLaughlin said. "These voters blamed Biden and Harris and generally had positive approval for Trump. ".
[QUOTE=Spidy;2969267]In a secret ballot, the House Ethics Committee members, have decided to release their findings, in the Matt Gaetz, ethnics report.
Seems like there are enough Repub House Ethic Committee members, who (secretly anyways) despise Matt Gaetz, after all.
However, it's release, said to happen, just before the Christmas holidays, is the perfect timing for the Repub cowards and Gaetz sympathizers, to run-home for the holidays, and not have answer uncomfortable or difficult questions, w/r to Gaetz's pathetic nomination, should said report be demonstrably incriminating, due to Gaetz's alleged pedo, sex trafficking, drug fueled, sex parties.
Stay Tuned![/QUOTE]I suspect the Repubs who secretly voted to release the findings on Gaetz were hoping there would be photos, videos or detailed descriptions of his dick and balls in them. From Nude Grinbitch's House under Bill Clinton, to the Repub House over the past two years and up until now and probably into the next two years, Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat Repubs were always interested in filling their few "working" days musing about and sniffing around Bill Clinton's dick and balls, Hunter Biden's dick and balls, probably Matt Gaetz' dick and balls, anybody's dick and balls will do.
But this time around Numbskull Repub President-elect Musk, Numbskull Repub President-elect Ramaswamy and Numbskull Repub President-elect Banning have pulled the ultimate Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat Repub stunt in demanding the USA government of, by and for the American people be shutdown rather than fund Cancer Research for American children instead of plowing all the additional Trillions in deficit spending they plan to add during their presidencies giving more tax breaks to Musk, Ramaswamy and other billionaires. Makes sense.
Why doesn't the now but set to shrink even further Repub Pink Tinkle in the House call an emergency vote to elect Elon, Vivek or Steve as the first ever Speaker of the House AND President-elect so any one of them can call the shots all the way around?
The Repubs are going to need any extra hands they can scrounge up on a gavel, their dicks and balls, wherever in order to get those additional Trillions in deficit-spending never-paid-for Repub tax cuts for Elon, Vivek and their fellow billionaire cronies:
[B]Rep. Spartz wont caucus with GOP, narrowing Republican margin in House[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-spartz-won-t-caucus-171900676.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]The ugly GOP math is even worse than it seems because scandal-tarred ex-Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Florida, already resigned his seat and has said he wont rejoin the new Congress in January.
Two more lawmakers, Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-New York, and Rep. Mike Waltz, R-Florida, are expected to step down after Trump takes office on Jan. 20 because they are expected to be confirmed to Cabinet posts.
That means House Speaker Mike Johnson could find himself [b]with just a 216-215 edge[/b] for at least several weeks until special elections can be held for what he hopes will be Republican replacements to take up those vacant seats.[/QUOTE]MAGAs, Bothsider / Neithersiders and most especially that relative handful of angry Muslims in those three decisive states who specifically "gave the presidency" to, well, now to Musk, Ramaswamy and Banning, The Kremlin, China and North Korea thank you for your votes.
The Musk / Ramawamy / Banning Train Has Left The Station!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2969250]The NYT story is under a paywall. It looks like Dems lost a supermajority in both chambers in Vermont but still dominate the Legislature there. [URL]https://www.sevendaysvt.com/news/democrats-on-track-to-lose-supermajority-in-legislature-42212929[/URL].
Democrats and Progressive currently hold a combined 109 seats, more than the 100 votes needed to override vetoes by Gov. Phil Scott. In the Senate, meanwhile, Democrats and Progressives currently have 23 seats.
But by the end of election night, Democrats had lost their grip in both chambers, giving Scott much more leverage. The governor, who cruised to reelection on Tuesday night, campaigned vigorously this cycle for other Republicans he said would help him bring affordability to the state.
End of link. Yeah, Vermont is moving in the right direction, but it is sad Republicans are not ruling there yet. If you watch the whole video, what really got me is how many regular citizens were scared to talk on camera about the shit conditions of Burlington. This is the Democratic douche version of justice. They can say anything about MAGA and Trump but any negatives about Democratic douches and their policies and it is misinformation that needs to be censored.
You have to wonder how many of these Democratic ciities, even smaller ones like Burlington, are this messed up. Like San Francisco, it is a beautiful city that has gone to shit.[/QUOTE]I know people that live there that say its a dystopian hellhole, and yes they are Democrats.
I wouldn't go there anymore if you paid me!! Same with Seattle, the downside they will be leaving to move to sane red states and they will fuck them up also.
No different than inner city dirtbags that move out of cities to suburbs only to decimate them too, they destroy everything they touch!!
I used to see bumper stickers in Portland please don't Californicate Portland.
Or yard signs Californians please stay out!! And these are not MAGA voters.
But hey things are looking up here in Chicago we just got rid of Soros non prosecuting prosecutor Kim Fox and we voted in Eva Brauns protege'.
[URL]https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/almost-100-murder-suspects-in-chicago-allowed-to-stay-out-of-jail-under-house-arrest-cook-county-violent-crime-criminals-sheriff-tom-dart-pretrial-program[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/opinion/west-coast-liberal-failure.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/15/opinion/progressives-california-portland.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969269]Gaetz's alleged, sex trafficking, drug fueled, sex parties.
But I'm in for the rest of it LMFAO, where do I sign up?
This is ISG after all, maybe you should get back to your nambla / feminist lesbian forums.
Gaetz for President 2028!![/QUOTE][i][b](...kkkk)[/b][/i] Contrary to popular opinion, I couldn't care less, as to how messed up, coked up, fucked up, or teen bum fucked, Gaetz wants to get at one of his drug fueled sex trafficking parties.
It still stands that his nomination for AG was just horrific, a very simple vetting or independent background check would have eliminated all the hoopla.
But if you're saying, Gaetz for President Dog Catcher in 2028, that would still be a big fat HELL NO!
BTW, whether you as an atheist, believe in HELL or not, I'm pretty sure, on more than one occasion, you yourself, have told us, there IS A HELL for pedos!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969340]But this time around Numbskull Repub President-elect Musk, Numbskull Repub President-elect Ramaswamy and Numbskull Repub President-elect Banning have pulled the ultimate Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat Repub stunt in demanding the USA government of, by and for the American people be shutdown rather than fund Cancer Research for American children instead of plowing all the additional Trillions in deficit spending they plan to add during their presidencies giving more tax breaks to Musk, Ramaswamy and other billionaires. Makes sense.
Why doesn't the now but set to shrink even further Repub Pink Tinkle in the House call an emergency vote to elect Elon, Vivek or Steve as the first ever Speaker of the House AND President-elect so any one of them can call the shots all the way around?
The Repubs are going to need any extra hands they can scrounge up on a gavel, their dicks and balls, wherever in order to get those additional Trillions in deficit-spending never-paid-for Repub tax cuts for Elon, Vivek and their fellow billionaire cronies:
[B]Rep. Spartz wont caucus with GOP, narrowing Republican margin in House[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-spartz-won-t-caucus-171900676.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh Yes! [B]The 118th Congress led Repub clown show[/B], is now poised to end, not with a bang, but as a Mike Johnson, christofascist whimper and a snivel. All ineptitude, buffoonery and clowning, duly predicated on and derived from the Kevin McCarthy, 15th ballot "shit show horse", Repubs rode in on.
Excellent question you pose! Will it be President-elect Musk, numbskull Repub President-elect Ramaswamy, or President-elect Trump? Or will Musk, just be a "Shadow" President and form his own "Shadow Gov't"? House Repubs, certainly liked him for Speaker of the House, which doesn't bode well for the current christofascist speaker. As all signs point to the fact, he maybe very well be on his way out.
But Yeah...the Trump/MAGA chaos, dysfunction and gov't paralysis is back!
BTW, does that mean the kids get the proverbial, "lumps of coal" for Christmas?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969289][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/19/us/politics/voter-turnout-election-trump-harris.html[/URL]
Change in votes compared with 2020.
2. 5 million.
More votes.
For Trump.
7. 1 million.
Fewer votes for.
Harris than Biden.
Key to Trump's Win: Heavy Losses for Harris Across the Map.
By Ashley Wu, Lazaro Gamio, Robert Gebeloff, Elena Shao and Michael see. Bender Nov. 19,2024.
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It may seem like a clear story: Donald Trump won the election by winning the most votes. He improved on his totals, adding about 2. 5 million more votes than four years ago. But just as consequential to the outcome were Kamala Harris's losses: She earned about 7 million fewer votes compared with Joseph are. Biden Jr. 's performance in 2020.
Ms. Harris failed to find new voters in three of the seven swing states and in 80 percent of counties across the country, a New York Times analysis shows. In the places where she matched or exceeded Mr. Biden's vote totals, she failed to match Mr. Trump's gains.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
Fewer votes in 2024, compared with 2020.
Trump received 2. 5 million more votesTrump.
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We can't yet know how many Biden voters backed Mr. Trump or did not vote at all this cycle. But the decline in support for Ms. Harris in some of the country's most liberal areas is particularly notable. Compared with Mr. Biden, she lost hundreds of thousands of votes in major cities including Chicago, LOS Angeles and New York, and overall earned about 10 percent fewer votes in counties Mr. Biden won four years ago.
Mr. Trump, by contrast, found new voters in most counties, with significant gains in red states like Texas and Florida and also in blue states like New Jersey and New York.
Change in votes by county partisanship, compared with 2020.
Counties Harris Trump.
Heavily Democratic.
12%.
+3%.
Moderately Democratic.
10%.
+3%.
Lean Democratic.
6%.
+3%.
Lean Republican.
6%.
+4%.
Moderately Republican.
5%.
+3%.
Heavily Republican.
2%.
+4%.
Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, acknowledged that Biden voters who swung toward Mr. Trump played a part in Ms. Harris's loss, but pointed to low Democratic turnout as the larger factor.
"They just weren't excited," Mr. Sabato said of Democratic voters. "They were probably disillusioned by inflation, maybe the border. And they didn't have the motivation to get up and go out to vote. ".
The national rightward shift is a continuation of voting patterns seen in the last two elections. Even in his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump found new voters across the country. (Both parties earned more votes in 2020 than in 2016.) And although Democrats outperformed expectations in 2022, when some had predicted a "red wave," they lost many voters who were dissatisfied with rising prices, pandemic-era restrictions and immigration policy.
At the local level, three distinct patterns help illustrate the overall outcome in 2024:
1. Where both candidates gained votes, but Trump gained more.
In hard-fought Georgia, both parties found new voters, but Mr. Trump outperformed Ms. Harris. For example, in Fulton County, which contains most of Atlanta, Ms. Harris gained about 4,500 votes, but Mr. Trump gained more than 7,400.
How vote totals changed in Atlanta precincts.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
Fewer votes in 2024, compared with 2020.
Trump.
Atlanta.
Buckhead.
Forest Park.
Smyrna.
Marietta.
Alpharetta.
Decatur.
East Point.
Harris.
Atlanta.
Buckhead.
Forest Park.
Smyrna.
Marietta.
Alpharetta.
Decatur.
East Point.
By Eli Murray, Elena Shao, Charlie Smart and Christine Zhang.
In addition to his gains in the Atlanta area, Mr. Trump won new voters in every other part of Georgia. He flipped the state back to Republicans after Mr. Biden's win there in 2020. He similarly outran Ms. Harris where she made gains in Wake County, and. See. , Lancaster County, Pa. , and Montgomery County, Texas.
2. Where Trump gained a little and Harris lost a little.
In Milwaukee County in swing-state Wisconsin, Ms. Harris lost 1,200 voters compared with Mr. Biden's total in 2020, while Mr. Trump gained more than 3,500.
How vote totals changed in Milwaukee precincts.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
Fewer votes in 2024, compared with 2020.
Trump.
Milwaukee.
Cudahy.
Greenfield.
Wauwatosa.
West Allis.
Shorewood.
East Side.
Lake Michigan.
Whitefish Bay.
Harris.
Milwaukee.
Cudahy.
Greenfield.
Wauwatosa.
West Allis.
Shorewood.
East Side.
Lake Michigan.
Whitefish Bay.
By Eli Murray, Elena Shao, Charlie Smart and Christine Zhang.
Ms. Harris still won the county at large, but her margins there and in other liberal enclaves of Wisconsin were not enough to hold off Mr. Trump's victories in rural, blue-collar counties that voted Republican in 2016 and 2020.
Democrats' inability to maintain their vote totals in battleground states was also apparent in the crucial areas around Charlotte, and. See. , Flint, Mich. , and Scranton, Pa.
3. Where Trump gained a little and Harris lost a lot.
Mr. Trump won Florida's Miami-Dade County, becoming the first Republican to do so since 1988. But again, Ms. Harris's loss was just as much of the story as his gain: Mr. Trump won about 70,000 new votes in the county, while she lost nearly 140,000.
How vote totals changed in Miami precincts.
Where each candidate got more votes or.
Fewer votes in 2024, compared with 2020.
Trump.
Miami.
Hialeah.
Kendall.
Coral Gables.
Harris.
Miami.
Hialeah.
Kendall.
Coral Gables.
By Eli Murray, Elena Shao, Charlie Smart and Christine Zhang.
Other counties that Mr. Trump flipped had similar vote disparities. In 21 of these 77 counties, Mr. Trump received fewer votes in this election than in 2020, but the Democratic vote drop-off was much steeper. This happened from coast to coast, from Fresno County, Calif. , to Pinellas County, Fla.
Joel Benenson, the chief pollster for Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, said he thought Democratic turnout was hurt by the party's lack of a presidential primary. (Mr. Biden dropped out of the race in July.) That process, he said, helps energize core voters who get involved with volunteering, making phone calls and knocking on doors early in the year.
"That was a real challenge for Vice President Harris, who had a short runway and would have benefited from a real primary season," Mr. Benenson said. "Republicans had a contested primary even with a former president, they didn't just hand it to him. ".
Mr. Trump was clearly able to harness enthusiasm beyond his base. He made gains across almost all groups ranging in demographics, education and income, including those that traditionally made up the Democratic coalition. Ms. Harris failed to match Mr. Biden among the same groups.
Change in votes by county type, compared with 2020.
Counties Harris Trump.
Majority Black.
12%.
4%.
Majority Hispanic.
18%.
+7%.
Urban.
12%.
+3%.
High income.
9%.
+3%.
Highly educated.
9%.
+3%.
Retirement destinations.
2%.
+8%.
Pre-election polls showed minority voters swinging toward Mr. Trump, and he appeared to make gains with those groups. He picked up votes in majority-Hispanic counties and in Black neighborhoods of major cities, a preliminary analysis of precinct data shows. But he lost votes, as did Ms. Harris, in majority-Black counties, especially those in the South where turnout dropped overall.
Mr. Trump found new voters in more than 30 states, including in the battleground states that were the sites of robust campaigning. His gains were modest in most other places. Ms. Harris was able to improve on Mr. Biden's performance in only four of the seven battlegrounds and just five states overall.
Change in votes by state, compared with 2020.
Click columns to sort. Swing states are in bold.
States Harris Trump.
Arizona.
5%.
+6%.
Georgia.
+3%.
+8%.
Michigan.
3%.
+6%.
North Carolina.
+1%.
+5%.
Nevada.
+0. 2%.
+12%.
Pennsylvania.
1%.
+5%.
Wisconsin.
+2%.
+5%.
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John McLaughlin, Mr. Trump's campaign pollster, said the campaign was focused on finding supporters who were not reliable voters and making sure they turned out to the polls. He said that internal polling showed that voters who cast a ballot in 2024 after not voting in 2022 or 2020 supported Mr. Trump, 52 percent to 46 percent.
"The strategy was very much like 2016, to bring out casual voters who thought the country was on the wrong track," Mr. McLaughlin said. "These voters blamed Biden and Harris and generally had positive approval for Trump. ".[/QUOTE]This was as of 2-3 days ago. But a few votes up or down here and there since then won't change the reality of this much if at all.
Scroll down to Results.
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
[B]Pennsylvania:[/B]
3,543,308 votes for Trump.
3,423,042 votes for Harris.
Trump advantage in PA was 120,226 votes or 1. 7 point more.
[B]Michigan:[/B]
2,816,636 votes for Trump.
2,736,533 votes for Harris.
Trump advantage in MI was 80,103 or 1. 4 point more.
[B]Wisconsin:[/B]
1,697,626 votes for Trump.
1,668,229 votes for Harris.
Trump advantage in MI was 29,397 votes or 0. 9 point.
Total advantage for Trump in PA, MI and WI was 229,726 votes.
If half of those 229,729 voters had been convinced to vote for Harris instead of Trump in those three Battleground / Swing States where each candidate went to battle to swing votes to them by campaigning and ad buys more than any other three states, approximately 114,864 votes (or 0. 9 point, 0. 7 point and 0. 5 point), plus one additional vote in each of the three states = 114,867, Kamala Harris would be the President-election today instead of Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and Steve Bannon and none of those other demographics you cited above would have changed it or mattered.
There are hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters in those three decisive states. Both nominees worked to win their votes because they knew that demo could be the decisive one. The Muslim Community leaders in those states mobilized and applied every Ground Game tactic to convince their community to deny Harris the presidency because they were angry, Netanyahu-haters who extrapolated the Biden Administration's support for Israel in the conflict with Gaza as support for Netanyahu.
It is almost impossible to imagine that at least 114,867 of those hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters in those three states did not follow their Leadership's requests.
That is the demo that "gave the presidency" to, well, now to Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon in the only three states necessary for them to do it. They have claimed that as their doing. Trump has acknowledged their incomparable contribution to giving the presidency to, well, now Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.
The Kremlin, China, North Korea and, oh that's right, Iran thank you for your and their vote.
Well, unless you are an angry Muslim in one of those three states that voted for Trump instead of Harris, The Kremlin, China, North Korea and Iran can only thank you for giving Trump 1. 47 point more votes than Harris nationally, although not the Majority of the Vote.
The Trump Train. Er, I mean Musk / Ramaswamy / Bannon Train:
[QUOTE=Spidy;2969435]Contrary to popular opinion, I couldn't care less, as to how messed up, coked up, fucked up, or teen bum fucked, Gaetz wants to get at one of his drug fueled sex trafficking parties.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you no longer live in the USA. If you did, you would not want Gaetz disqualified for personal reasons. Namely you are a horndog monger. With your being out of the country, all you care about is your social security check.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2969435]It still stands that his nomination for AG was just horrific, a very simple vetting or independent background check would have eliminated all the hoopla.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, it is so simple. Nothing like a monger criticizing a guy who banged a lying 17 year old hooker with a fake ID. And why are YOU not worried about that? Oh right. You no longer live here. You do not care about the laws of the USA and what it is like to live there. All you care about is your check.
If this were a moral crusade and you were not such a partisan Democratic douche, you would be holding the Bidens and Clintons to the same standards. Instead you play your moronic partisan games. Gaetz was as bad as Epstien. Hunter bravely stood trial. Give me a fucking break. Gaetz was not convicted. Hunter was. Biden abused the legal system so much the woman who accused him of raping her is in Russia. His own daughter wrote in her diary that Joe Biden was showering with her in her teen years. The hair sniffing Joe Biden is a fucking perv, and everyone knows it.
Why do you push the abortion and IVF issue so badly Soy Boy? Oh right, I forgot. You do not live her. I am all for women's rights as long as that helps me get my fucking check.
If you did live here, you would want a Gaetz, a guy who hobbied but stayed in the gray areas of the law. Why is it so black and white for you? Because you do not live here and just want your check.
With you and Loony Tooms, I think we should actually start means testing guys with social security payouts. Why should you get the full amount if you live abroad and expenses are cheaper? Hey, let's cut off payments if any social security recepient is banging foreign hookers. Oh yeah, you two are so fucking moral and law abiding. Would you be for that?
The difference between Dems and Republicans is Republicans pay for their own hookers. Dems like Willie Brown, Fani Willis, and Bill Clinton use public funds to pay the people they sleep with. Hunter used bribes meant for his father to pay for his hoors. I guess you are one in the same Spidy: letting government pay for yours too. Keep patting yourself on the back and telling the world what a moral good boy you are.
I cannot believe a monger like yourself could be such a hypocrite and criticize Gaetz. He is the exact kind of AG mongers should want, you fool.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969483]This was as of 2-3 days ago. But a few votes up or down here and there since then won't change the reality of this much if at all.
Scroll down to Results.
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
[B]Pennsylvania:[/B]
3,543,308 votes for Trump.
3,423,042 votes for Harris.
Trump advantage in PA was 120,226 votes or 1. 7 point more.
[B]Michigan:[/B]
2,816,636 votes for Trump.
2,736,533 votes for Harris.
Trump advantage in MI was 80,103 or 1. 4 point more.
[B]Wisconsin:[/B]
1,697,626 votes for Trump.
1,668,229 votes for Harris.
Trump advantage in MI was 29,397 votes or 0. 9 point.
Total advantage for Trump in PA, MI and WI was 229,726 votes.
If half of those 229,729 voters had been convinced to vote for Harris instead of Trump in those three Battleground / Swing States where each candidate went to battle to swing votes to them by campaigning and ad buys more than any other three states, approximately 114,864 votes (or 0. 9 point, 0. 7 point and 0. 5 point), plus one additional vote in each of the three states = 114,867, Kamala Harris would be the President-election today instead of Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and Steve Bannon and none of those other demographics you cited above would have changed it or mattered.
There are hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters in those three decisive states. Both nominees worked to win their votes because they knew that demo could be the decisive one. The Muslim Community leaders in those states mobilized and applied every Ground Game tactic to convince their community to deny Harris the presidency because they were angry, Netanyahu-haters who extrapolated the Biden Administration's support for Israel in the conflict with Gaza as support for Netanyahu.
It is almost impossible to imagine that at least 114,867 of those hundreds of thousands of Muslim voters in those three states did not follow their Leadership's requests.
That is the demo that "gave the presidency" to, well, now to Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon in the only three states necessary for them to do it. They have claimed that as their doing. Trump has acknowledged their incomparable contribution to giving the presidency to, well, now Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.
The Kremlin, China, North Korea and, oh that's right, Iran thank you for your and their vote.
Well, unless you are an angry Muslim in one of those three states that voted for Trump instead of Harris, The Kremlin, China, North Korea and Iran can only thank you for giving Trump 1. 47 point more votes than Harris nationally, although not the Majority of the Vote.
The Trump Train. Er, I mean Musk / Ramaswamy / Bannon Train:[/QUOTE]I don't agree with your nonsensical post as usual, she was never holding the entire blue wall LMAO she couldn't even hold one of the states.
Of 7 swing states? How many did she win ZERO! He took every single one of them which makes your post that much, more ridiculous.
But if if if if if if if if.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2969435][i][b](...kkkk)[/b][/i] Contrary to popular opinion, I couldn't care less, as to how messed up, coked up, fucked up, or teen bum fucked, Gaetz wants to get at one of his drug fueled sex trafficking parties.
It still stands that his nomination for AG was just horrific, a very simple vetting or independent background check would have eliminated all the hoopla.
But if you're saying, Gaetz for President Dog Catcher in 2028, that would still be a big fat HELL NO!
BTW, whether you as an atheist, believe in HELL or not, I'm pretty sure, on more than one occasion, you yourself, have told us, there IS A HELL for pedos![/QUOTE]That you'll be going there!!
Just Remember Roevember!
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Giant male panda Xiao Liwu eats a meal of bamboo at the San Diego Zoo in San Diego, Calif. , April 18,2019.
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The New York Times has a big report up today on how the Chinese Communist Party has used panda bears to gain favor and influence with local American officials, including San Francisco mayor London Breed.
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"Her city's zoo was faltering," Mara Hvistendahl, Heather Knight, and Vik Jolly write. "Tourism was suffering and Breed faced a tough re-election campaign. ".
Mayor Breed therefore decided to carry out months of negotiations with Beijing, all without the help of USA Counterintelligence agencies who could have helped protect her, in an effort to curry favor with the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party. Breed visited China, meeting with its vice president and deputy foreign minister. She traveled with Chinese-government-aligned journalists. And she cultivated a relationship with the "Chinese People's Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries," a Chinese Communist Partyaligned foreign-influence organization that has about as Orwellian a name as could be thought of.
What was the Chinese bargaining chip? Ailuropoda melanoleuca a. K. a. The Giant Panda.
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More specifically, the peculiar American obsession with those cuddly looking but very nefarious beasts.
"A pair of pandas from China would be a political and public relations win" for London Breed, the Times writes dryly.
Americans should make no mistake: Panda diplomacy I. E. , the effort by your local zoo to put a panda in a cage in your hometown is a communist influence operation that uses Americans' emotions, love of animals, and their goodwill against them.
As the Times reports, "Chinese officials have sought to use pandas to cultivate relationships, shape policy on Taiwan and soften China's image abroad, a major goal of Mr. Xi. Panda exchanges provide Chinese leaders with rare, high-profile opportunities to rebrand their country. ".
Oh, but surely skeptics might say this doesn't have any real-world implications? Small-bit American politicians such as London Breed might embarrass themselves by groveling to Xi Jinping to get a panda or two, but what's the harm?
Well. . .
During panda negotiations with Omaha and with Oakland in the mid-2000's, Chinese diplomats tried to scuttle a Nebraskan trade deal with Taiwan and to persuade a California congresswoman to stop criticizing Beijing, negotiators for the American side said. When those efforts failed, China denied pandas to both cities.
And:
In 2022, the American director of national intelligence warned statehouses and city halls that China had "stepped up its efforts to cultivate USA State and local leaders in a strategy some have described as 'using the local to surround the central. '" Intelligence officials cited the friendship group as part of that effort.
Why should we doubt that the Chinese Communist Party which never told the truth about the origins of the Covid pandemic and is currently busy hacking into American telecom systems, running a massive influence op on Americans via TikTok, crushing the last vestiges of liberty in Hong Kong, ruling a slave state in Xinjiang province with an iron fist, and arming itself to the teeth in preparation for war against the United States and Taiwan would shrink from using pandas as a tool for national power?
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And let us dispense with the idea that while "panda diplomacy" might be bad for America, it's at least good for the pandas. It's not!
Pandas are the face of wildlife conservation. Zoos pay about $1 million a year to rent them from China and breed them in captivity, in hopes that pandas will someday be released into the wild. China is supposed to use the money to protect the wild species.
But a New York Times investigation this year revealed that after three decades, China has actually captured more pandas than it has released. And aggressive artificial breeding has injured and even killed pandas. China has steered millions of dollars toward building infrastructure such as apartments and roads as American zoo administrators and regulators looked the other way.
It's long past time to put a stop to this evil game. The importation of pandas has never done anything but weaken America and cozy our people up to the communist dictatorship in Beijing a dictatorship that wishes for nothing but our ruin and which has the blood of hundreds of millions on its hands.
Should a free, democratic China on the mainland ever exist, all Americans would be happy to welcome pandas back to our lands.
But until then, we should put an end to "Panda Diplomacy. " Put an end to the subversion of America that has been propagated via the cuddly paws of those white-and-black spooks.
Deport the commie spies. Deport the pandas.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2969157]LOL. I am not sure what you expected.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/biden-lied-about-everything-philly-fed-finds-all-jobs-created-q2-were-fake[/URL]
So after Biden lied about creating nearly one million jobs in 2023, his labor department lied again in Q2 2024.
And so, after it first revised the 12 months ending March 31 by 818 K, the downgrades extended into the second quarter of 2024, when the Philadelphia Fed early benchmark estimates showed that instead of the 1. 1% gain shown initially by the BLS, payroll jobs in the 50 states and the District of Columbia were actually down 0. 1%!
We do know that all the jobs reportedly "created" in the second quarter, were actually fake, there were no net jobs created at all, and in fact, the US lost jobs in Q2!
Translation: in his latest attempt to create an impression of economic growth, Biden lied about everything, again.
End of link. And keep in mind these job losses came despite record deficits with Biden creating as many bullshit federal jobs as he could.
Then you had Loony Tooms not only bragging about the great job market but saying crime was down.[/QUOTE]Yes Elvis, this is common knowledge, the downward revisions in employment numbers and the high % of "jobs added" that were government workers. It's also common knowledge that inflation and higher interest rates hurt Democrats in last month's election. Don't expect Tooms to appreciate that though. He grabs onto every data point that supports Democrats and discards every one that doesn't. He's hung his hat on spurious correlations between employment, GDP growth, and the party of the president. As such, it wasn't an uncontrollable Chinese virus that caused the pandemic and the related recession, it was Trump. I imagine he'd blame the 1980 recession during Carter's term on high oil prices. And totally ignore the effect of oil price on recessions in 1981 (starting six months after Carter left office) and 1990, when Reagan and GHW Bush were president.
So don't sweat silly factors like demographics, changes in technology, globalization, the business cycle, Fed policy, what's happening in the rest of the world outside the USA, wars, commodity price shocks, Congress, or pandemics. All you have to remember is God hates Republican presidents!
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2969157]The merging of public and private, the use of NGOs funded by government doing things the government cannot do WAS Biden's and Obama's economic policy and just like the USSR and China, it had its early successes. At first the productive people try to make it work. But with productive people like the Vermont shopkeeper, it only works if he stays on. Once the productive people catch on they are being lied to and used, the system falls apart.
So the better question to ask Loony Tooms is how is the Biden-Obama economic policy any different than the CCP because I do not see much difference at all. With China, they are on the verge of collapse with most every productive person looking to park their capital abroad. The rich Chinese are overpaying for foreign assets just to have them outside of the greedy hands of the CCP.
As it stands now, the move of the productive from blue to red states was on. With Biden, the next phase was their moving out of the country.
When you look at shit cities like Burlington VT or San Francisco, you can only lie and blame MAGA and Trump for so long. Eventually the Democrats and their shit economic policies come home to roost.[/QUOTE]
I was prepared to leave in the event Democrats swept the 2024 elections and took complete control of the federal government. Things didn't get extremely bad, except for the deficit spending and inflation in 2021 and 2022. But with rational moderates like Sinema and Manchin becoming increasingly rare in the Democratic Party, it's going to be a whole different world if the current breed of Democrats take control and hold if for 10 or 20 years. The USA will become Sirioja's wet dream. France on Steroids.
I did watch the first 15 minutes of the video. I felt sorry for the Lebanese businessman. He pays a million a year in property taxes and can't get the police to show up. I'm sure Elizabeth Warren would say he doesn't pay his fair share.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2969157]There is a great youtube video on the subject about Burlington, VT here, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lA_DsvuvY[/URL].
The title is They Ruined My Hometown. Don't Let This Happen to Yours (Burlington, VT) 🇺127480;.
You do not have to watch the whole video. The first 15 minutes with the shop keeper is enough. He describes how the homeless think stealing from his store became a right when Biden came into office. In fact, that was the real Biden strategy, using the homeless and illegals to outvote guys like the shopkeeper. This is where Democrats fall on their face with rule of law. They will make up some shit law with Trump and bend themselves all out of shape when a Congressman fucks a lying 17 year old hooker with a fake ID, both victimless crimes, but when the homeless steal, that is okay.
They will also turn a blind eye to the homeless smoking crack in front of the town's church and for some reason even in deep blue Vermont, all this criminal activity somehow is the fault of the MAGA movement and Trump.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969429]I know people that live there (Portland, Oregon) that say its a dystopian hellhole, and yes they are Democrats.
I wouldn't go there anymore if you paid me!! Same with Seattle, the downside they will be leaving to move to sane red states and they will fuck them up also.
No different than inner city dirtbags that move out of cities to suburbs only to decimate them too, they destroy everything they touch!!
I used to see bumper stickers in Portland please don't Californicate Portland.
Or yard signs Californians please stay out!! And these are not MAGA voters.
But hey things are looking up here in Chicago we just got rid of Soros non prosecuting prosecutor Kim Fox and we voted in Eva Brauns protege'.
[URL]https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/almost-100-murder-suspects-in-chicago-allowed-to-stay-out-of-jail-under-house-arrest-cook-county-violent-crime-criminals-sheriff-tom-dart-pretrial-program[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/opinion/west-coast-liberal-failure.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/15/opinion/progressives-california-portland.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969209]Bernie Sanders country is going red and jumping on the Trump train also.[/QUOTE]I wake up every morning and thank God I've lived in a red city in a red county in a red state. Republicans are so much more efficient at administering local government than Progressives. Elvis, I'm not sure what part of the Great State you live in, but there are certain red towns in Texas that are completely surrounded by blue cities. Dallas and Highland Park come to mind. Property values are much higher in the red towns, in part because of more effective city government and policing, and better quality schools.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969570]Yes Elvis, this is common knowledge, the downward revisions in employment numbers and the high % of "jobs added" that were government workers. It's also common knowledge that inflation and higher interest rates hurt Democrats in last month's election. Don't expect Tooms to appreciate that though. He grabs onto every data point that supports Democrats and discards every one that doesn't. He's hung his hat on spurious correlations between employment, GDP growth, and the party of the president. As such, it wasn't an uncontrollable Chinese virus that caused the pandemic and the related recession, it was Trump. I imagine he'd blame the 1980 recession during Carter's term on high oil prices. And totally ignore the effect of oil price on recessions in 1981 (starting six months after Carter left office) and 1990, when Reagan and GHW Bush were president.
So don't sweat silly factors like demographics, changes in technology, globalization, the business cycle, Fed policy, what's happening in the rest of the world outside the USA, wars, commodity price shocks, Congress, or pandemics. All you have to remember is God hates Republican presidents!
I was prepared to leave in the event Democrats swept the 2024 elections and took complete control of the federal government. Things didn't get extremely bad, except for the deficit spending and inflation in 2021 and 2022. But with rational moderates like Sinema and Manchin becoming increasingly rare in the Democratic Party, it's going to be a whole different world if the current breed of Democrats take control and hold if for 10 or 20 years. The USA will become Sirioja's wet dream. France on Steroids.
I did watch the first 15 minutes of the video. I felt sorry for the Lebanese businessman. He pays a million a year in property taxes and can't get the police to show up. I'm sure Elizabeth Warren would say he doesn't pay his fair share.[/QUOTE]It was an uncontrollable Chinese virus that caused a pandemic, made uncontrollable by January 2020 due to Donald Trump defundung and removing the highly touted and effective Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs several months earlier contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
"Defund the Police" is a demand of several Repub leaders and has been for years, even Trump through his nominee for Director of the Federal Police. I never heard a Dem leader demanding such a thing.
Carter's historically great Fed Chairman appointee, Paul Volcker, clearly stated and identified why he was raising Fed Funds rates in order to reduce inflation and cool down an overheated economy that was creating too many jobs for applicants to take them. Not much to do with the high gas prices and gas lines Carter inherited from Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo.
And that purposely and strategically induced mini recession that barely counted as a recession was finished by mid 1980, months before Reagan took office. You're a big fan of NBER on the issue of recessions, right? Look it up.
As was the rise of inflation reversing to a steady, almost month over month decline in Inflation and reduction in the Fed Funds rates, thanks to Carter's Fed Chairman appointee, beginning many months before Reagan took office.
We had pretty high prices for gas under Joe Biden for a while. But no recession. Not even a mini one like was purposely induced under Carter where the unemployment rate spiked up to about 7. 8% for single month before steadily declining, much less a Great Recession where it spiked up to 14%, as it did under Trump or those 10 whopping consecutive months of 10% plus unemployment rates that started during Reagan's 2nd year in office or the ridiculously low jobs creation under GHW Bush.
Under Biden the unemployment rate never exceeded upward to even 4. 5% since his policies were put into the system in mid 2021. And his historic record of new jobs created exceeds that of all three of the previous Repub presidents combined along with a sizable portion of the 4th previous one even if a downward adjustment of 1 million was made over time.
Weird, huh? Just more wild coincidences that seem only to plague Repub presidents' policies and stewardship and benefit Dem presidents' policies and stewardship I guess.
There are a couple of reasons the vast majority of American Workers live and work in Dem Cities and Dem States; that is where the jobs and the good life in America is.
[B]Why did U.S. homicides spike in 2020 and then decline rapidly in 2023 and 2024?
New evidence and solutions to prevent future violence in U.S. cities.
DECEMBER 16, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-did-u-s-homicides-spike-in-2020-and-then-decline-rapidly-in-2023-and-2024/[/URL]
[B]Homicide, Most Other Violent Crimes Drop to Pre-Pandemic Levels in U.S. Cities.
JULY 25, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://counciloncj.org/homicide-most-other-violent-crimes-drop-to-pre-pandemic-levels-in-u-s-cities/[/URL]
[B]New data shows violent crime dropping sharply in major U.S. cities.
AUGUST 12, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.axios.com/2024/08/12/violent-crime-harris-trump-election[/URL]
[B]Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Heres Why.
April 28, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/[/URL]
[B]Republicans claim Democrats cant keep us safe crime data disagrees.
Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime.
June 28, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/30/murder-rates-democrat-republican-states-gun-control[/URL]
Can't those Repub governors control the per capita murder and crime rates in their States' most populated and important cities? Are they just Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeats regarding the vast majority of people, workers and tax-payers living in their State?
Shameful.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2968700]Tooms and Xpartan, You will never achieve true enlightenment until you learn to love Republicans. And Marquis, you must learn to love the Chinese. And the moderate Democrats. For until that happens you will live in ignorance and hatred. Learn how to love, and you shall see the Light. And the darkness shall be lifted from your hearts.
There is no need however to admonish you, Marquis, to love the Progressive Democrats, for you are one.
Buddha Tiny[/QUOTE]Oh kumbaya! Tiny says all we need is a huge amount of love! [B]Ahahaha[/B]! What we all need for Christmas is love sayeth Tiny LOL!
[URL]https://youtu.be/rYaIWbhKQsI?si=_a-vVPni4SFmStSu[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969623]There are a couple of reasons the vast majority of American Workers live and work in Dem Cities and Dem States; that is where the jobs and the good life in America is.
Can't those Repub governors control the per capita murder and crime rates in their States' most populated and important cities? Are they just Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeats regarding the vast majority of people, workers and tax-payers living in their State?
Shameful.[/QUOTE]Here we have some Democratic douche in Thailand telling us how things are in the USA. Yes, Salt Lake City and Des Moines are not safe; you had best live in Harlem, South Chicago, and South Phily.
Of course, it really shows Loony Tooms is a racist. The Democratic douches said black and white could not be used to distinguigh thing but last I checked you could not change the color of your skin. However, red and blue is cool because if you choose to vote blue, although no one really knows if you did, your IQ soars as does your immune system when it comes to fighting Covid, and you live in crime free paradises. The douches cannot figure out why anyone could be opposed to voting blue then. They point to the NYT and say, "Well, THEY said it is true. ".
Of course, the whole thing could come down to the equation, if A=be and be=see, then A must equal see right? In other words, if crime is higher in black neighborhoods and blacks vote Democrat, then crime is higher in Democratic / blue neighborhoods right?
Wait, Elvis, you cannot do that and by that, I mean think logically and not politically. Why do the hell do these dumb douches think it is okay to put South Chicago and Southern Illinois in the same grouping, distinguish the impossible to distinguish red v. Blue (because people can change how they vote), but not the black and white skin color grouping that has been done for centuries?
It is also okay to pit Christian Americans versus Arab Americans, those previously Democratic voting turn coats who saw their race being mowed down by Biden approved American bombs. That is just being honest, Elvis. That is not racist at all.
If Loony Tooms came back to the USA, the first place he would go to live is Detroit or Baltimore right? Someone needs to tell him that the head of BLM now lives in a gated community. Yes, Loony Tooms, the blacks / blues leave their own ghettos when given the chance.
Buddha Tiny does not celebrate Christmas.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969789]Buddha Tiny does not celebrate Christmas.[/QUOTE]Would never entertain such a magnanimous concept.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2969759]Here we have some Democratic douche in Thailand telling us how things are in the USA. Yes, Salt Lake City and Des Moines are not safe; you had best live in Harlem, South Chicago, and South Phily.
Of course, it really shows Loony Tooms is a racist. The Democratic douches said black and white could not be used to distinguigh thing but last I checked you could not change the color of your skin. However, red and blue is cool because if you choose to vote blue, although no one really knows if you did, your IQ soars as does your immune system when it comes to fighting Covid, and you live in crime free paradises. The douches cannot figure out why anyone could be opposed to voting blue then. They point to the NYT and say, "Well, THEY said it is true. ".
Of course, the whole thing could come down to the equation, if A=be and be=see, then A must equal see right? In other words, if crime is higher in black neighborhoods and blacks vote Democrat, then crime is higher in Democratic / blue neighborhoods right?
Wait, Elvis, you cannot do that and by that, I mean think logically and not politically. Why do the hell do these dumb douches think it is okay to put South Chicago and Southern Illinois in the same grouping, distinguish the impossible to distinguish red v. Blue (because people can change how they vote), but not the black and white skin color grouping that has been done for centuries?
It is also okay to pit Christian Americans versus Arab Americans, those previously Democratic voting turn coats who saw their race being mowed down by Biden approved American bombs. That is just being honest, Elvis. That is not racist at all.
If Loony Tooms came back to the USA, the first place he would go to live is Detroit or Baltimore right? Someone needs to tell him that the head of BLM now lives in a gated community. Yes, Loony Tooms, the blacks / blues leave their own ghettos when given the chance.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/dnc-finance-chair/2024/12/21/id/1192532/[/URL]
There are a few in this thread that write like they still belong with David Koresh and The Branch Davidians.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2969759]Here we have some Democratic douche in Thailand telling us how things are in the USA. Yes, Salt Lake City and Des Moines are not safe; you had best live in Harlem, South Chicago, and South Phily.
Of course, it really shows Loony Tooms is a racist. The Democratic douches said black and white could not be used to distinguigh thing but last I checked you could not change the color of your skin. However, red and blue is cool because if you choose to vote blue, although no one really knows if you did, your IQ soars as does your immune system when it comes to fighting Covid, and you live in crime free paradises. The douches cannot figure out why anyone could be opposed to voting blue then. They point to the NYT and say, "Well, THEY said it is true. ".
Of course, the whole thing could come down to the equation, if A=be and be=see, then A must equal see right? In other words, if crime is higher in black neighborhoods and blacks vote Democrat, then crime is higher in Democratic / blue neighborhoods right?
Wait, Elvis, you cannot do that and by that, I mean think logically and not politically. Why do the hell do these dumb douches think it is okay to put South Chicago and Southern Illinois in the same grouping, distinguish the impossible to distinguish red v. Blue (because people can change how they vote), but not the black and white skin color grouping that has been done for centuries?
It is also okay to pit Christian Americans versus Arab Americans, those previously Democratic voting turn coats who saw their race being mowed down by Biden approved American bombs. That is just being honest, Elvis. That is not racist at all.
If Loony Tooms came back to the USA, the first place he would go to live is Detroit or Baltimore right? Someone needs to tell him that the head of BLM now lives in a gated community. Yes, Loony Tooms, the blacks / blues leave their own ghettos when given the chance.[/QUOTE]One's IQ soars and THEN they vote straight Dem up and down the ballot every time.
Unless your goal is to install elected officials whose only mission and historic claim to fame is to be a Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeat bent on creating chaos, Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Jobs Destruction and embrace and exacerbate any and every "Once in 100 Years Disaster" they can possibly find every 4-8 years, then I suppose whatever IQ it takes to choose that for your family, friends, country and your own life will lead you to vote for at least one Repub every now and then.
I think if I were to get tired of enjoying life with my FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden well-earned entitlements, career and investment gains in Thailand, I would move into a certain Southern California rental property, the mortgage of which is close to being fully paid for by my highly responsible and near zero hassle tenants. That particular neighborhood is lovely. A true "walker's paradise", university area, entertainment, widely diverse ethnic, cultural and restaurant options abound, comfortable year round weather, low crime and very little "blight" unless I make a determined effort to go searching for it.
I keep very close tabs on what is going on in that part of the world with my rental management company, tenants, friends, family, business associates, etc.
But I don't recall ever voting for anyone based on their immigration and / or racial stance or ethnicity.
Unlike MAGAs and their Party's lord and savior, whoever that is:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969623]
[B]Republicans claim Democrats cant keep us safe crime data disagrees.
Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime.
June 28, 2023[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2785837&viewfull=1#post2785837[/URL]
Can't those Repub governors control the per capita murder and crime rates in their States' most populated and important cities? Are they just Know Nothing, Do Nothing Deadbeats regarding the vast majority of people, workers and tax-payers living in their State?
Shameful.[/QUOTE]Why would you look to governors to police individual cities? That's like blaming Biden for high murder rates in Mississippi.
It's the local sheriffs and police chiefs who are responsible. And in many Democratic counties and cities they do a piss poor job:
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2785837]As I don't want you gentlemen to waste a huge amount of time on a losing proposition, here are the ten counties in the USA with the highest homicide rates in 2017, from the source linked below, and the margin by which Biden won each in 2020.
1. Orleans Parish, Louisiana 68.2%.
2. Coahoma County, Mississippi 42.9%.
3. Phillips County, Arkansas 19.3%.
4. tie St. Louis City, Missouri 66.2%.
4. tie Baltimore City, Maryland 76.6%.
6. Petersburg, Virginia 76.5%.
7. tie Macon County, Alabama 63.8%.
7. tie Washington, D.C. 86.7%.
9. Washington County, Mississippi 39.6%.
9. Dallas County, Alabama 37.5%.
[URL]https://www.police1.com/ambush/articles/10-us-counties-with-the-highest-murder-rate-kerWgaEUmxJkn74J/[/URL]
[/QUOTE]
I'm two lazy to do the same exercise for the cities with the highest homicide rates, but just looking at them, I bet they all went heavily for Biden in 2020 too:
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/cities-with-most-murders
You are the victim of Simpson's paradox. You must segment the data to better understand cause and effect. The cause is Democratic Party local government and the effect is higher homicide rates.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969848]Why would you look to governors to police individual cities? That's like blaming Biden for high murder rates in Mississippi.
It's the local sheriffs and police chiefs who are responsible. And in many Democratic counties and cities they do a piss poor job:
I'm two lazy to do the same exercise for the cities with the highest homicide rates, but just looking at them, I bet they all went heavily for Biden in 2020 too:
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/cities-with-most-murders
You are the victim of Simpson's paradox. You must segment the data to better understand cause and effect. The cause is Democratic Party local government and the effect is higher homicide rates.[/QUOTE]Obsessive "Motivated Reasoning".
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969848]Why would you look to governors to police individual cities? That's like blaming Biden for high murder rates in Mississippi.
It's the local sheriffs and police chiefs who are responsible. And in many Democratic counties and cities they do a piss poor job:
I'm two lazy to do the same exercise for the cities with the highest homicide rates, but just looking at them, I bet they all went heavily for Biden in 2020 too:
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/cities-with-most-murders
You are the victim of Simpson's paradox. You must segment the data to better understand cause and effect. The cause is Democratic Party local government and the effect is higher homicide rates.[/QUOTE]Has a week gone by when MAGAs and Bothsider / Neithersiders HAVEN'T blamed Biden or Harris or Biden-Harris for national crime rates? Like you just tried to do here.
Who are those governors' constituents if not the people who live in their states' cities and towns? Rattlesnakes, groundhogs and Zeke the desert trailor-dwelling hermit nobody has seen since he dropped off a bucket of severed feet and hands at Aunt Bea's Roadside Chicken Stand last month?
I assume those Repub governors show up to be thanked for their "fine governance" at the celebration of the capture of a Monarch Butterfly by Hooterville's Mayor Beauregard.
Why shouldn't they be expected to be responsible for at least some if not most of the safety, welfare, job opportunities, business expansion and all the other elements of life that factor into crime rates everywhere else on the planet?
Damn. Just how DEADBEAT do these Deadbeat Repub governors and other Repub elected officials have to be before Presidents-elect and Department of Efficiency Secretaries Musk and Ramaswamy cut their pay down to the zero they apparently ever earn?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969921]Has a week gone by when MAGAs and Bothsider / Neithersiders HAVEN'T blamed Biden or Harris or Biden-Harris for national crime rates? Like you just tried to do here.
Who are those governors' constituents if not the people who live in their states' cities and towns? Rattlesnakes, groundhogs and Zeke the desert trailor-dwelling hermit nobody has seen since he dropped off a bucket of severed feet and hands at Aunt Bea's Roadside Chicken Stand last month?
I assume those Repub governors show up to be thanked for their "fine governance" at the celebration of the capture of a Monarch Butterfly by Hooterville's Mayor Beauregard.
Why shouldn't they be expected to be responsible for at least some if not most of the safety, welfare, job opportunities, business expansion and all the other elements of life that factor into crime rates everywhere else on the planet?
Damn. Just how DEADBEAT do these Deadbeat Repub governors and other Repub elected officials have to be before Presidents-elect and Department of Efficiency Secretaries Musk and Ramaswamy cut their pay down to the zero they apparently ever earn?[/QUOTE]I've never blamed Biden or Harris for national crime rates. It's the opposite. I've blamed Harris et al for criminalizing behavior like posting reviews on a hooker board.
You really have four choices.
1. Local police and local government in blue counties aren't very good at preventing homicides.
2. Democrats have a higher propensity to kill people.
3. Other. "Other" should be more convincing than something about Aunt Bea, Hootersville, rattlesnakes and monarch butterflies
4. Combination of the above.
Please write an essay on this and if it's good enough we'll submit it to the RNC to incorporate into campaign advertising in 2026.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2969819]Blackhearted Libertarians
Would never entertain such a magnanimous concept.[/QUOTE]Firstly I'm a white-hearted Libertarian. I believe in a social safety net.
Secondly, I'the rather be a blackhearted Libertarian than a Bernie Bro.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969986]Firstly I'm a white-hearted Libertarian. I believe in a social safety net.
Secondly, I'the rather be a blackhearted Libertarian than a Bernie Bro.[/QUOTE]Secondly, I'the rather be a blackhearted Libertarian than a Bernie Bro lolol that's because you are.
You've written you think the min wage should be set by locals govts as opposed to Washington.
If so, then what if a state, lets say Idaho wants to set it at 25 cents per hour.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969985]I've never blamed Biden or Harris for national crime rates. It's the opposite. I've blamed Harris et al for criminalizing behavior like posting reviews on a hooker board.
You really have four choices.
1. Local police and local government in blue counties aren't very good at preventing homicides.
2. Democrats have a higher propensity to kill people.
3. Other. "Other" should be more convincing than something about Aunt Bea, Hootersville, rattlesnakes and monarch butterflies
4. Combination of the above.
Please write an essay on this and if it's good enough we'll submit it to the RNC to incorporate into campaign advertising in 2026.[/QUOTE]5. Instead of voting in Defund The Police and Supply-Side / Trickle-Down failure Repub presidents and members of Congress, vote in pro police Dem presidents and enough Dem members of Congress to pass legislation that funds the police, staffing and resources needed to control crime in cities where most Americans live and work, outside of Hooterville.
That is what Clinton and his Dem Congress did for New York City and other big real cities around the country in the early 1990's and the Reagan / Bush1 crime rates plummeted.
LOL. Did you really think Loony Rudy Giuliani had anything whatsoever to do with reducing crime and cleaning up a mess in New York City during the Clinton years?
Nope. It was because Clinton took away a precious 2-3 percentage points of taxes from still wealthy Americans to fund police and resources in those cities to get the job done, some $100,000,000 plus to New York City alone.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970103]5. Instead of voting in Defund The Police and Supply-Side / Trickle-Down failure Repub presidents and members of Congress, vote in pro police Dem presidents and enough Dem members of Congress to pass legislation that funds the police, staffing and resources needed to control crime in cities where most Americans live and work, outside of Hooterville.
That is what Clinton and his Dem Congress did for New York City and other big real cities around the country in the early 1990's and the Reagan / Bush1 crime rates plummeted.
LOL. Did you really think Loony Rudy Giuliani had anything whatsoever to do with reducing crime and cleaning up a mess in New York City during the Clinton years?
Nope. It was because Clinton took away a precious 2-3 percentage points of taxes from still wealthy Americans to fund police and resources in those cities to get the job done, some $100,000,000 plus to New York City alone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970040]Secondly, I'the rather be a blackhearted Libertarian than a Bernie Bro lolol that's because you are.
You've written you think the min wage should be set by locals govts as opposed to Washington.
If so, then what if a state, lets say Idaho wants to set it at 25 cents per hour.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why you two bicker. You're two peas in a pod. The duly elected representatives of the people of Idaho shouldn't decide the minimum wage in Idaho. Instead Bernie Sanders and other politicians in Washington should. And the people of New York City, one of the wealthier cities in the world, shouldn't fund their own policing. That should be up to Democrats in Washington to direct too.
That's crazy IMHO, and anti-democratic. Government should be closest to the people whenever that makes sense. The people of Idaho should decide how they'll be governed, not Bernie Sanders. And New Yorkers should pay for their own policing.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970237]I don't understand why you two bicker. You're two peas in a pod. The duly elected representatives of the people of Idaho shouldn't decide the minimum wage in Idaho. Instead Bernie Sanders and other politicians in Washington should. And the people of New York City, one of the wealthier cities in the world, shouldn't fund their own policing. That should be up to Democrats in Washington to direct too.
That's crazy IMHO, and anti-democratic. Government should be closest to the people whenever that makes sense. The people of Idaho should decide how they'll be governed, not Bernie Sanders. And New Yorkers should pay for their own policing.[/QUOTE]What if Alabama says 5 cents an hour? Duly elected representatives? How about at the county level or the village of 27 people level?
It's easy to see they would have a race to the BOTTOM, of who could pay less
BTW I wish there were a maximum wage also
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/12/22/manchin-democratic-party-brand-toxic-they-have-tried-to-mainstream-the-extreme/[/URL]
Hey ET is he talking about your sucker issues? LMAO.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/23/opinion/democrats-election-future.html[/URL]
More Trannies and Illegal Aliens please.
Thanks Scumbag Joe and the Junkie.
did you see the scumbag commuted 37 death sentences
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/23/biden-spares-murderers-who-killed-entire-families-including-children-infants/
wow Scumbag Joe is making sure he goes down in history as thee worst President ever and to think they cheated to install this Piece Of Shit
quite impressive he even beats out Barry Hussein Bubba and GW as worst ever!!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2969986]Firstly I'm a white-hearted Libertarian. I believe in a social safety net.
Secondly, I'the rather be a blackhearted Libertarian than a Bernie Bro.[/QUOTE]LOL ID rather be "anything" instead of an evil Libertarian.
You believe in a social safety net? Oh really please tell us more?
What soup kitchens like in Oliver Twist or simple bread lines during the depression?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tOkpntQtBM[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970103]5. Instead of voting in Defund The Police and Supply-Side / Trickle-Down failure Repub presidents and members of Congress, vote in pro police Dem presidents and enough Dem members of Congress to pass legislation that funds the police, staffing and resources needed to control crime in cities where most Americans live and work, outside of Hooterville.
That is what Clinton and his Dem Congress did for New York City and other big real cities around the country in the early 1990's and the Reagan / Bush1 crime rates plummeted.
LOL. Did you really think Loony Rudy Giuliani had anything whatsoever to do with reducing crime and cleaning up a mess in New York City during the Clinton years?
Nope. It was because Clinton took away a precious 2-3 percentage points of taxes from still wealthy Americans to fund police and resources in those cities to get the job done, some $100,000,000 plus to New York City alone.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ny-times-bret-stephens-opinion/2024/12/23/id/1192625/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970291]What if Alabama says 5 cents an hour? Duly elected representatives? How about at the county level or the village of 27 people level?
It's easy to see they would have a race to the BOTTOM, of who could pay less
BTW I wish there were a maximum wage also
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/12/22/manchin-democratic-party-brand-toxic-they-have-tried-to-mainstream-the-extreme/[/URL]
Hey ET is he talking about your sucker issues? LMAO.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/23/opinion/democrats-election-future.html[/URL]
More Trannies and Illegal Aliens please.
Thanks Scumbag Joe and the Junkie.
did you see the scumbag commuted 37 death sentences
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/23/biden-spares-murderers-who-killed-entire-families-including-children-infants/
wow Scumbag Joe is making sure he goes down in history as thee worst President ever and to think they cheated to install this Piece Of Shit
quite impressive he even beats out Barry Hussein Bubba and GW as worst ever!![/QUOTE]Yes I did answer the question. Politicians like Bernie Sanders have no business telling Idahoans and Alabamans what to do. I don't give a flying fuck what the minimum wage is in Idaho, Alabama, California, New York or any other place where I don't live. And I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my views should be imposed on people in those states. Like many Libertarians, I don't give a crap either if you decide to whack off your penis, buy new breasts, and start calling yourself the Marquesa de Sade. In fact, more power to you. Maybe you could take up a new career as a dominatrix and pull down the big bucks.
And of course you want a maximum wage. That fits right in with the Bernie Bros' extreme left ideology. You really should pay more attention to your links. Manchin is talking about your favorite politicians.
Trump would never claim you. You're a socialist and farther to the right on social issues than he is. Trump may say differently, but like me he doesn't really give a fuck what bathroom a Trannie uses, just as long as that Trannie votes for him or buys something from him.
Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller might claim you though.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970293]LOL ID rather be "anything" instead of an evil Libertarian.
You believe in a social safety net? Oh really please tell us more?
What soup kitchens like in Oliver Twist or simple bread lines during the depression?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tOkpntQtBM[/URL][/QUOTE]What do you notice about that kid? He's not obese like a lot of American youngsters. He's energetic. He sure as hell can outrun you. If he keeps up a calorie restricted diet, he'll likely live a lot longer than he would otherwise. That's been proven true in rats, dogs, and monkeys, and it's almost certainly true among humans. So stop complaining.
Oh yeah, and good on Biden for commuting those 37 death sentences to life in prison. If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?' Jesus answered him, 'I say to you, not up to seven times, but seventy times seven'"
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"
Or, the version I prefer,
[b]Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.[/b]
- The Reverend Tiny
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970296][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ny-times-bret-stephens-opinion/2024/12/23/id/1192625/[/URL][/QUOTE]What Trump "understood" is that his Israel criminal fugitive counterpart, Netanyahu, was nice enough to keep his conflict with Gaza going without a hint of a ceasefire on the table long enough to inflame the hatred of at least 114,900 angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI to the point of them voting for Trump instead of Harris. That's it.
If anyone wants to "teach" the Democratic Party a lesson about why Trump won instead of Harris, the only pro-active measure to recommend is to get into those 3 states early and often in 2028 and start pandering to the Muslim Community and catering particularly to the Muslim Community Leadership in those three states.
That is what the Republican Party will be doing. Without question. They know.
Otherwise, the greatest "messenger" for the Dems will be Presidents Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon, their assistant Trump and, most importantly, their horrific economic and foreign policy and stewardship results over the next four years. They are already jacking up prices for goods, products and mortgage loans just by "talking" about what they're going to start doing on Day One.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970358]Yes I did answer the question. Politicians like Bernie Sanders have no business telling Idahoans and Alabamans what to do. I don't give a flying fuck what the minimum wage is in Idaho, Alabama, California, New York or any other place where I don't live. And I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my views should be imposed on people in those states. Like many Libertarians, I don't give a crap either if you decide to whack off your penis, buy new breasts, and start calling yourself the Marquesa de Sade. In fact, more power to you. Maybe you could take up a new career as a dominatrix and pull down the big bucks.
And of course you want a maximum wage. That fits right in with the Bernie Bros' extreme left ideology. You really should pay more attention to your links. Manchin is talking about your favorite politicians.
Trump would never claim you. You're a socialist and farther to the right on social issues than he is. Trump may say differently, but like me he doesn't really give a fuck what bathroom a Trannie uses, just as long as that Trannie votes for him or buys something from him.
Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller might claim you though.
What do you notice about that kid? He's not obese like a lot of American youngsters. He's energetic. He sure as hell can outrun you. If he keeps up a calorie restricted diet, he'll likely live a lot longer than he would otherwise. That's been proven true in rats, dogs, and monkeys, and it's almost certainly true among humans. So stop complaining.
Oh yeah, and good on Biden for commuting those 37 death sentences to life in prison. If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?' Jesus answered him, 'I say to you, not up to seven times, but seventy times seven'"
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"
Or, the version I prefer,
[b]Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.[/b]
- The Reverend Tiny[/QUOTE]You're an evil Libertarian like Nick Gilespie or Chas Koch.
I love Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller both would be great Presidents, I'm guessing better than Trump.
Stephen Miller the first Hebrew Nazi for President 2028!!
I'd say nice try but NOT, Manchin and I agree probably agree on 99% of issues.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970358]Yes I did answer the question. Politicians like Bernie Sanders have no business telling Idahoans and Alabamans what to do. I don't give a flying fuck what the minimum wage is in Idaho, Alabama, California, New York or any other place where I don't live. And I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my views should be imposed on people in those states. Like many Libertarians, I don't give a crap either if you decide to whack off your penis, buy new breasts, and start calling yourself the Marquesa de Sade. In fact, more power to you. Maybe you could take up a new career as a dominatrix and pull down the big bucks.
And of course you want a maximum wage. That fits right in with the Bernie Bros' extreme left ideology. You really should pay more attention to your links. Manchin is talking about your favorite politicians.
Trump would never claim you. You're a socialist and farther to the right on social issues than he is. Trump may say differently, but like me he doesn't really give a fuck what bathroom a Trannie uses, just as long as that Trannie votes for him or buys something from him.
Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller might claim you though.
What do you notice about that kid? He's not obese like a lot of American youngsters. He's energetic. He sure as hell can outrun you. If he keeps up a calorie restricted diet, he'll likely live a lot longer than he would otherwise. That's been proven true in rats, dogs, and monkeys, and it's almost certainly true among humans. So stop complaining.
Oh yeah, and good on Biden for commuting those 37 death sentences to life in prison. If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?' Jesus answered him, 'I say to you, not up to seven times, but seventy times seven'"
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"
Or, the version I prefer,
[b]Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.[/b]
- The Reverend Tiny[/QUOTE]Go ahead and tell this woman's family what you just wrote.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrant-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-setting-woman-fire-nyc-subway-car[/URL]
I used to be Vehemently Anti Capital Punishment, until I grew the FUCK UP.
You just hate the govt having any authority that's why you vote for Gay ass soft on crime Soros like "liberal" prosecutors.
(until they rape and kill your sons and daughters and make you watch).
You are probably one of those whacko "Sovereign Citizens".
You're crazier than ET, take your damn pills and we want to know how you snuck a laptop into the State Mental Hospital?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970358]Yes I did answer the question. Politicians like Bernie Sanders have no business telling Idahoans and Alabamans what to do. I don't give a flying fuck what the minimum wage is in Idaho, Alabama, California, New York or any other place where I don't live. And I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my views should be imposed on people in those states. Like many Libertarians, I don't give a crap either if you decide to whack off your penis, buy new breasts, and start calling yourself the Marquesa de Sade. In fact, more power to you. Maybe you could take up a new career as a dominatrix and pull down the big bucks.
And of course you want a maximum wage. That fits right in with the Bernie Bros' extreme left ideology. You really should pay more attention to your links. Manchin is talking about your favorite politicians.
Trump would never claim you. You're a socialist and farther to the right on social issues than he is. Trump may say differently, but like me he doesn't really give a fuck what bathroom a Trannie uses, just as long as that Trannie votes for him or buys something from him.
Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller might claim you though.
What do you notice about that kid? He's not obese like a lot of American youngsters. He's energetic. He sure as hell can outrun you. If he keeps up a calorie restricted diet, he'll likely live a lot longer than he would otherwise. That's been proven true in rats, dogs, and monkeys, and it's almost certainly true among humans. So stop complaining.
Oh yeah, and good on Biden for commuting those 37 death sentences to life in prison. If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?' Jesus answered him, 'I say to you, not up to seven times, but seventy times seven'"
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"
Or, the version I prefer,
[b]Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.[/b]
- The Reverend Tiny[/QUOTE]When you dream you don't dream about pussy like normal men, you dream about being a Slave Owner circa 1800 Savannah Ga.
Hey, congratulations, MAGAs, admitted Repubs, pretend Bothsider / Neithersiders, pretend Independents, those decisive 114,900 angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI and any other suckers who didn't vote all Dem straight down your ballot this year!
There is now no doubt about it; the assistant to the assistant to the assistant Presidents-elect, Donald J. Trump, has definitely increased the cost of cargo containers and shipments, which will be added to the price of all those goods and products to be paid for by the American Consumer and no one else AND the cost of the "American Dream" of owning a home, an added cost that typically extends throughout the decades of most borrowers' mortgage loan.
And he has done that just by flappin' his yappy pie-hole over and over again about keeping his economically disastrous campaign promises, even before he takes his Lie of Office and even if he realizes he hasn't got the slightest clue how to do anything nor the slightest bit of energy to do it and decides to just play lots and lots and lots of golf for the next for years and nothing else:
[B]The Fed cut interest rates but mortgage costs jumped. Here's why[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/20/why-mortgage-rates-jumped-despite-fed-interest-rate-cut.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Federal Reserve on Wednesday cut interest rates for the third time in 2024. Despite the move, mortgage rates increased.
The 30-year fixed rate mortgage spiked to 6.72% for the week ending Dec. 19, a day after the Fed meeting, according to Freddie Mac data via the Fed. That is up from 6.60% from a week prior.
.........
To understand that disconnect, it is important to remember that mortgage rates closely follow the Treasury yields and are only slightly affected by the federal funds rate. [B]Mortgage rates climbed in November as the bond market reacted to Donald Trumps election win.
..........
"That, in conjunction with Trumps desired policies on tariffs, immigration and tax cuts which are all inflationary spooked the bond market"[/b], Cohn said.[/QUOTE]It could very well turn out that adding at least 20% to the cost of everything is the only campaign promise Donald J. Trump keeps.
Oh well.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970363]What Trump "understood" is that his Israel criminal fugitive counterpart, Netanyahu, was nice enough to keep his conflict with Gaza going without a hint of a ceasefire on the table long enough to inflame the hatred of at least 114,900 angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI to the point of them voting for Trump instead of Harris. That's it.[/QUOTE]And you don't think that left-wing ultras who instigated this anti-Semitic madness on American streets and campuses bare even a little responsibility for fomenting that cut-my-nose-to-spite-the-face attitude?
Well, I'm not quite sure what--in your opinion--Netanyahu should've done that would've prevented angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI from voting against their own slef-interests. Maybe he should've welcomed Hamas with an open heart and kindly allow them to proceed to murder, rape and burn alive 1,500 more Israelis. Although a little bird tells me even that might not have been enough to pacify Muslims because neither 3,000 nor 100,000 dead Jews would've quenched that thirst.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970363]What Trump "understood" is that his Israel criminal fugitive counterpart, Netanyahu, was nice enough to keep his conflict with Gaza going without a hint of a ceasefire on the table long enough to inflame the hatred of at least 114,900 angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI to the point of them voting for Trump instead of Harris. That's it.
If anyone wants to "teach" the Democratic Party a lesson about why Trump won instead of Harris, the only pro-active measure to recommend is to get into those 3 states early and often in 2028 and start pandering to the Muslim Community and catering particularly to the Muslim Community Leadership in those three states.
That is what the Republican Party will be doing. Without question. They know.
Otherwise, the greatest "messenger" for the Dems will be Presidents Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon, their assistant Trump and, most importantly, their horrific economic and foreign policy and stewardship results over the next four years. They are already jacking up prices for goods, products and mortgage loans just by "talking" about what they're going to start doing on Day One.[/QUOTE]Not Musk, but Muslims elected Trump? So, he will have to suck them on his knees. When Putin fuck and kill Russians, Netanyahou will kill many Jews all over the world, USA should experience how to be deeply fucked with crazy senile Orange.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2970391]And you don't think that left-wing ultras who instigated this anti-Semitic madness on American streets and campuses bare even a little responsibility for fomenting that cut-my-nose-to-spite-the-face attitude?
Well, I'm not quite sure what--in your opinion--Netanyahu should've done that would've prevented angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI from voting against their own slef-interests. Maybe he should've welcomed Hamas with an open heart and kindly allow them to proceed to murder, rape and burn alive 1,500 more Israelis. Although a little bird tells me even that might not have been enough to pacify Muslims because neither 3,000 nor 100,000 dead Jews would've quenched that thirst.[/QUOTE]The percentage of universities where there were even slightly noticeable protests was extremely small. At those universities the percentage of students protesting was extremely small. We're not talking even a tiny fraction of the civil rights and anti Vietnam War university protests of the 1960's.
For sure, Mainstream Media hyped it in ways that made it much more of an anti-Biden Administration election issue than it ever should have been. And those MSM efforts logically fueled the Muslim Community anger in PA, MI and WI as well.
You bring up a good point. Was there a way for Netanyahu to acknowledge and express appreciation for the plight of whatever innocent bystanders in Gaza who never harbored Hamas Terrorists were suffering? I think he probably could have.
Netanyahu / Israel had every right to strike back and strike back hard. But he takes the tough talking, no compromise approach that Trump prefers and wins him nothing. He and Israel is now a pariah in the Middle East more than ever before.
I believe one reason Netanyahu did not soften his stance after a certain level of devastation was visited on Gaza is precisely because he prefers the wider leverage to do whatever the hell he wants to Gaza he expects to enjoy with Trump as assistant to the assistant to the assistant President.
That will not be "better" for any pro Gaza protestors or voters in PA, MI and WI than the Dem Administration alternative and certainly not better for Israel.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970293]LOL ID rather be "anything" instead of an evil Libertarian.
You believe in a social safety net? Oh really please tell us more?
What soup kitchens like in Oliver Twist or simple bread lines during the depression?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tOkpntQtBM[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm guessing the the morbidly obese cow handing out the gruel at the child slavery / orphanage just might be a white-hearted Libertarian too?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970368]You're an evil Libertarian like Nick Gilespie or Chas Koch.
I love Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller both would be great Presidents, I'm guessing better than Trump.
Stephen Miller the first Hebrew Nazi for President 2028!!
I'd say nice try but NOT, Manchin and I agree probably agree on 99% of issues.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970370]Go ahead and tell this woman's family what you just wrote.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrant-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-setting-woman-fire-nyc-subway-car[/URL]
I used to be Vehemently Anti Capital Punishment, until I grew the FUCK UP.
You just hate the govt having any authority that's why you vote for Gay ass soft on crime Soros like "liberal" prosecutors.
(until they rape and kill your sons and daughters and make you watch).
You are probably one of those whacko "Sovereign Citizens".
You're crazier than ET, take your damn pills and we want to know how you snuck a laptop into the State Mental Hospital?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970371]When you dream you don't dream about pussy like normal men, you dream about being a Slave Owner circa 1800 Savannah Ga.[/QUOTE]I do not know what a Sovereign citizen is. I've seen Nick Gillespie on television once or twice and all I remember is that he's kind of Neanderthal looking. Charles Koch on the other hand, like his brother David, is a Genuine American Hero. The Koch Brothers donated billions to education, medicine and poverty alleviation. They've done much more to improve the USA than anyone posting on this board. More than Bernie's Benefactor George Soros.
Estimates of the number of innocent people sentenced to death run between 4% and 12% of the total number who were on death row.
Let's compare you and me.
The Marquesa:
1. Favors the execution of innocents.
2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.
3. Wants to impoverish America with big government and Bernie Sanders socialist policies.
4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.
5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.
The Reverend Tiny:
1. Favors a system like Singapore's Central Provident Fund, which would provide decent retirement and decent medical care to all, as well as money for education and a house.
2. Prefers individual freedom. If it doesn't hurt other people, then what people do is none of the government's damn business.
3. Prefers smaller government, along the lines of what has made the USA, Switzerland and Singapore the most prosperous decent-sized countries in the world.
4. Has crushes on Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.
Now who's evil?
Nevertheless Marquesa, I love you as I do all fellow humans.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
- The Reverend Tiny.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970572]I do not know what a Sovereign citizen is. I've seen Nick Gillespie on television once or twice and all I remember is that he's kind of Neanderthal looking. Charles Koch on the other hand, like his brother David, is a Genuine American Hero. The Koch Brothers donated billions to education, medicine and poverty alleviation. They've done much more to improve the USA than anyone posting on this board. More than Bernie's Benefactor George Soros.
Estimates of the number of innocent people sentenced to death run between 4% and 12% of the total number who were on death row.
Let's compare you and me.
The Marquesa:
1. Favors the execution of innocents.
2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.
3. Wants to impoverish America with big government and Bernie Sanders socialist policies.
4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.
5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.
The Reverend Tiny:
1. Favors a system like Singapore's Central Provident Fund, which would provide decent retirement and decent medical care to all, as well as money for education and a house.
2. Prefers individual freedom. If it doesn't hurt other people, then what people do is none of the government's damn business.
3. Prefers smaller government, along the lines of what has made the USA, Switzerland and Singapore the most prosperous decent-sized countries in the world.
4. Has crushes on Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.
Now who's evil?
Nevertheless Marquesa, I love you as I do all fellow humans.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
- The Reverend Tiny.[/QUOTE]But you haven't told us how you snuck that laptop into the Texas State Mental Hospital (under your rolls of fat? Or your YUGE ass crack?
Koch bros, the dead one wasn't nearly as bad as Chas.
Chas Koch=a real life iteration of Montgomery Burns.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970572]I do not know what a Sovereign citizen is. I've seen Nick Gillespie on television once or twice and all I remember is that he's kind of Neanderthal looking. Charles Koch on the other hand, like his brother David, is a Genuine American Hero. The Koch Brothers donated billions to education, medicine and poverty alleviation. They've done much more to improve the USA than anyone posting on this board. More than Bernie's Benefactor George Soros.
Estimates of the number of innocent people sentenced to death run between 4% and 12% of the total number who were on death row.
Let's compare you and me.
The Marquesa:
1. Favors the execution of innocents.
2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.
3. Wants to impoverish America with big government and Bernie Sanders socialist policies.
4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.
5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.
The Reverend Tiny:
1. Favors a system like Singapore's Central Provident Fund, which would provide decent retirement and decent medical care to all, as well as money for education and a house.
2. Prefers individual freedom. If it doesn't hurt other people, then what people do is none of the government's damn business.
3. Prefers smaller government, along the lines of what has made the USA, Switzerland and Singapore the most prosperous decent-sized countries in the world.
4. Has crushes on Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.
Now who's evil?
Nevertheless Marquesa, I love you as I do all fellow humans.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
- The Reverend Tiny.[/QUOTE]You are opposed to Killing the SAVAGES.
"If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens. " even the evil savages? So you defend the evil savages right to live.
I most definitely do NOT!
I know your problem (well at least one of them) you have no clue the difference between good and evil!!
Here's a question for you?
I hope it doesn't hurt.
You wrote.
"If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens. ".
Ok this savage is an illegal alien from the NYC subway, and you still want to defend this monsters right to breathe at tax payers expense for the next 50 yrs?
$556,000 per person each.
(Credit: Jim Henderson) In 2021, the New York City Comptroller revealed the cost of incarceration has grown to more than $556,000 per person each year. That's over $1,500 each day to lock up just one person. Jan 17,2024.
"Good peace to all and all a good night".
(except Evil homicidal savages).
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2970430]Not Musk, but Muslims elected Trump? So, he will have to suck them on his knees. When Putin fuck and kill Russians, Netanyahou will kill many Jews all over the world, USA should experience how to be deeply fucked with crazy senile Orange.[/QUOTE]There were no other Electoral College state "surprises" other than the historically acknowledged Blue Wall of PA, MI, and WI flipping Red for assistant President-elect Trump. By a slim margin. Thanks to a particular demo targeted with a specific and especially persuasive message by their overwhelmingly dutifully followed community's leadership.
There were not even any real "surprise" flips among the House seats and numbers around the country.
The 3-4 Senate seat flips from Blue to Red were barely flips at all considering everyone expected them to "go back" to their typical, historical Red status this time around anyway.
Factoring in where the candidates' time and money were spent, there is simply no evidence that all the messaging about Trannies, sons being dropped off at school in the morning being picked up in the afternoon as daughters with their dicks chopped off, caravans of immigrants taking "107% of Biden's record millions of new jobs", all grandma's getting shot, stabbed and raped every time they go to the market, that nobody can buy, eat or do anything, the unemployment rate is at an historic high, the stock market is at an historic low, blah blah blah" made the slightest dent or change in the totally predictable Electoral College state outcomes.
This election outcome actually defied the global trend of "change" elections. There was practically no meaningful "change" at all in America except in one respect.
And this was it:
Except in the three Blue Wall states where there IS plenty of evidence that one particular sliver of the population responded as ordered by just enough swings and "change" from their usual Dem votes to Repub votes. And only for that one office. There were no shocking swings from Blue to Red in the other election contests. Which further confirms it was a One Issue swing in those three decisive Blue Wall states. The one that Netanyahu hoped for and got.
President-elect "Elonia" Musk's money? LOL. He continued his penchant for WAY OVERPAYING for his purchases. There was absolutely no need for him to have spent some $277 Million to win the presidency. He got exactly zero value out of it anywhere and everywhere in the country except for whatever relatively small fraction of it went to influence and encourage the Muslim Community Leaders in PA, MI and WI to issue the orders that mobilized those voters, and it only took a minor percentage of them to do it, to decide the presidential election by voting for Trump instead of Harris.
He probably wasted a good $250 Million of his money spending it on anything else.
Which, of course, makes him the perfect Repub choice to lead some idiotic and non existant "Department of Government Efficiency" to root out wasteful and excessive spending. Lololol.
So far his most notable accomplishment in his pretend position has been to produce a BIG WIN for China and his BIGGEST FACTORY in China for his car company, Tesla. And he accomplished that with a very, very big contribution from his assistant, Donald Trump, who is already well known as a proven lackey and pro economic agent for Xi and China as well as the Repub Party in general with that last second Repub House Continuing Resolution deal they maneuvered.
Shh. Don't anybody tell MDS about that. Lolol.
Aw. Now the media is blabbing about something I had hoped would be kept a secret from MDS and other MAGAs for a while so they could enjoy their Christmas and New Year's holidays undisturbed by reality:
[B]Republican Spending Bill Proposal Is Amazing for China, and for Musk[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]Why It Matters[/b]
Musk, who is the world's richest man, has significant business interests in China. His company Tesla opened a "gigafactory" in Shanghai in 2019, building cars for the Chinese domestic market as well as Australasia. By 2022, China accounted for about 22.5 percent of Tesla's total revenue.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970572]I do not know what a Sovereign citizen is. I've seen Nick Gillespie on television once or twice and all I remember is that he's kind of Neanderthal looking. Charles Koch on the other hand, like his brother David, is a Genuine American Hero. The Koch Brothers donated billions to education, medicine and poverty alleviation. They've done much more to improve the USA than anyone posting on this board. More than Bernie's Benefactor George Soros.
Estimates of the number of innocent people sentenced to death run between 4% and 12% of the total number who were on death row.
Let's compare you and me.
The Marquesa:
1. Favors the execution of innocents.
2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.
3. Wants to impoverish America with big government and Bernie Sanders socialist policies.
4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.
5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.
The Reverend Tiny:
1. Favors a system like Singapore's Central Provident Fund, which would provide decent retirement and decent medical care to all, as well as money for education and a house.
2. Prefers individual freedom. If it doesn't hurt other people, then what people do is none of the government's damn business.
3. Prefers smaller government, along the lines of what has made the USA, Switzerland and Singapore the most prosperous decent-sized countries in the world.
4. Has crushes on Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.
Now who's evil?
Nevertheless Marquesa, I love you as I do all fellow humans.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
- The Reverend Tiny.[/QUOTE]I have never heard of Chas Koch donating to anything EVER.
That wasn't completely self serving, like donating to help illegals get drivers licenses or new immigrants to vote.
As that what you call poverty alleviation? You're TWISTED.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2023/10/10/exclusive-charles-koch-koch-industries-has-given-more-than-5-billion-of-his-koch-industries-stock-to-two-nonprofits/[/URL]
He's a parasitic turd and you consider him your hero.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd753r47815o[/URL]
I hope they execute her on live TV and its so popular it makes it way to US court rooms.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39535957[/URL]
US executions need to be televised live like the Super Bowl.
4%-12% of executions are innocent LMFAO.
You're going to make ET piss himself when he reads that.
Lets see some facts to back that up Morbidly Obese Tiny The Bullshitter.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970488]The percentage of universities where there were even slightly noticeable protests was extremely small. At those universities the percentage of students protesting was extremely small. We're not talking even a tiny fraction of the civil rights and anti Vietnam War university protests of the 1960's.
For sure, Mainstream Media hyped it in ways that made it much more of an anti-Biden Administration election issue than it ever should have been. And those MSM efforts logically fueled the Muslim Community anger in PA, MI and WI as well.[/QUOTE]Small or not, they're Ivy League schools. Which means MSM inevitably covers them ad nauseam and amplifies the message for left-wing anti-Semitic morons.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970488]You bring up a good point. Was there a way for Netanyahu to acknowledge and express appreciation for the plight of whatever innocent bystanders in Gaza who never harbored Hamas Terrorists were suffering? I think he probably could have.[/QUOTE]Your "bystanders" repeatedly elected Hamas in reasonably-free elections. They did bring it to power, yes, that very Hamas who openly claims that their ONLY responsibility is to destroy Israel, not govern the territory and its people.
When your "government" starts a war, you will get caught in it. That's simply inevitable. It maybe tragic, but that's how wars are. Especially with a "government" like yours that LOVES IT when you get killed. That LOVES IT when your children get killed. When your women and elderly get killed. Why else would that "government" intentionally place their legitimate military targets in schools, mosques and hospitals?
Now the hordes of useful idiots in the West, already outraged by their own anti-Semitic bias, have an excuse to occupy Ivy League campuses for a "legit" protest.
Well, the blood of your bystanders is on Hamas, not Israel. Their blood is on the anti-Semitic UN agencies that help them perpetrate violence against Jews for the last 80 years. The blood is on fucking useful idiots too, because if you're a grown-up, you have an obligation to use your own brain.
Their blood is not on Jews or the state of Israel.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970488]Netanyahu / Israel had every right to strike back and strike back hard. But he takes the tough talking, no compromise approach that Trump prefers and wins him nothing. [/QUOTE]Ah, the infamous "Israel has the right to defend itself, but!" , where the "BUT" cancels everything that stands before it.
Doesn't matter how many times I've heard this BS, it never fails to amaze me. Why don't you tell me how Israel can defend itself without hurting civilians -- when dealing with an enemy who not only doesn't give a fuck about civilian deaths, but wants more of them. Who not only DOESN'T attempt to protect children, but intentionally puts them in the harm's way?
If you can't answer this question -- and no, you can't -- then you have no right to utter your "BUT".
And, by the way, [B]Israel is protecting Gazan civilians[/B] the way it's never been done in the history of warfare, but that's a discussion for another time.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970488]He and Israel is now a pariah in the Middle East more than ever before.[/QUOTE]Really? Gee, if only did you have time to put your considerable research abilities to actually research the subject matter.
"Kiss the hand of your enemy" says an Arab proverb, "if you cannot chop it off. ".
That's the direction we're moving in -- not that they would kiss Netanyahu's hand, but they really seem to be concerned about their future right now.
The ceasefire with Hezbollah is a direct result of Israel's cutting that hydra's heads, not Kumbaya.
The one in the works with Hamas right now? Also made possible by IDF's relentless military actions, not Kumbaya.
Did you notice how quiet Iran is nowadays? Gee, I wonder why.
Of course, the Houthis are still standing for now. I hear they're so stubborn no one can defeat them. That's fine, I think they'll soon realize that their stuborness is no match to IDF"s determination.
Even the internal split in Gaza's attitude toward Hamas would never have taken place if Israel didn't deliver a crushing blow to Hamas and its supporters. Look at them now. Much fewer Gazan "bystanders" like Hamas nowadays. Who could've thought?
[B]Hamas faces growing public dissent as Gaza war erodes support[/B]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0vewvp14zdo[/URL]
Pariah, you say?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970488]I believe one reason Netanyahu did not soften his stance after a certain level of devastation was visited on Gaza is precisely because he prefers the wider leverage to do whatever the hell he wants to Gaza he expects to enjoy with Trump as assistant to the assistant to the assistant President.
That will not be "better" for any pro Gaza protestors or voters in PA, MI and WI than the Dem Administration alternative and certainly not better for Israel.[/QUOTE]If you believe that Netanyahu didn't "soften" his stance for a political reason, you know nothing about Israel and its people.
Netanyahu can be 1,000 times corrupt, and you're not wrong--he's a slick politician. But he's a soldier and patriot first. He would've done what he did regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office and all other high offices around the world.
But you believe whatever you want.
Hey, if it worked for Matt Gaetz. It could work for you too!
[URL]https://www.aol.com/customer-appreciation-gaetz-report-uses-222852053.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2970624][b]You'd never dare demand from other nations the level of restrain you ask from Israel.[/b]
Small or not, they're Ivy League schools. Which means MSM inevitably covers them ad nauseam and amplifies the message for left-wing anti-Semitic morons.
Your "bystanders" repeatedly elected Hamas in reasonably-free elections. They did bring it to power, yes, that very Hamas who openly claims that their ONLY responsibility is to destroy Israel, not govern the territory and its people.
When your "government" starts a war, you will get caught in it. That's simply inevitable. It maybe tragic, but that's how wars are. Especially with a "government" like yours that LOVES IT when you get killed. That LOVES IT when your children get killed. When your women and elderly get killed. Why else would that "government" intentionally place their legitimate military targets in schools, mosques and hospitals?
Now the hordes of useful idiots in the West, already outraged by their own anti-Semitic bias, have an excuse to occupy Ivy League campuses for a "legit" protest.
Well, the blood of your bystanders is on Hamas, not Israel. Their blood is on the anti-Semitic UN agencies that help them perpetrate violence against Jews for the last 80 years. The blood is on fucking useful idiots too, because if you're a grown-up, you have an obligation to use your own brain.
Their blood is not on Jews or the state of Israel.
Ah, the infamous "Israel has the right to defend itself, but!" , where the "BUT" cancels everything that stands before it.
Doesn't matter how many times I've heard this BS, it never fails to amaze me. Why don't you tell me how Israel can defend itself without hurting civilians -- when dealing with an enemy who not only doesn't give a fuck about civilian deaths, but wants more of them. Who not only DOESN'T attempt to protect children, but intentionally puts them in the harm's way?
If you can't answer this question -- and no, you can't -- then you have no right to utter your "BUT".
And, by the way, [B]Israel is protecting Gazan civilians[/B] the way it's never been done in the history of warfare, but that's a discussion for another time.
Really? Gee, if only did you have time to put your considerable research abilities to actually research the subject matter.
"Kiss the hand of your enemy" says an Arab proverb, "if you cannot chop it off. ".
That's the direction we're moving in -- not that they would kiss Netanyahu's hand, but they really seem to be concerned about their future right now..[/QUOTE]You're lashing out at the wrong people on the wrong point.
My point was regarding the 114890 votes for Trump instead of Harris. I am more in line with Harris' opinion of the conflict; that.
Israel has a right to defend itself and how it does so matters. The same as I felt about my country after the Attack On 9-11.
And that Harris was not in control of the factors that caused those 114,890 votes to swing from her to Trump in those three states and thereby "gave the presidency" to Trump.
Neither did Biden.
In fact, neither did Trump.
Netanyahu held the lever of control on the issue that "gave Trump the presidency" in that regard. Wittingly and willingly or not.
Now, if your follow up argument then is that, no, Hamas held all the levers on it and there was nothing Netanyahu could say or do to alter his and his alone decisions on this, go for it.
My larger point is that the media and political pundits would love nothing better than for Dems to please for the love of God stop doing whatever it is they do time and time again to recover the USA Economy from one Great Repub Downturn and Massive Jobs Destruction after another, examine their conscience for getting it so wrong this year, change their entire Party agenda and please start being more like Economy-Destroying Repubs. That is a bad idea. And not even remotely necessary based on what all the evidence and facts tell us about this election.
The reason Trump won instead of Harris is due to a very narrow demo decision in three battleground / swing states on an issue neither Harris nor, presumably, Trump had any control and nothing more than that.
As far as the assertion in your post Subject line goes, I dare to demand from MY OWN COUNTRY a level of restraint when it comes to fuck ups like GHW Bush sleeping through the warnings he got from our Iraq Ambassador for Saddam Hussain's inquiries about how he felt about him annexing Kuwait, which plunged US into an unnecessary war that could have been averted.
Same for idiot GW Bush who slept through an astonishing level of terrorist "chatter" intel and at least one alarming Presidential Daily Briefing that allowed his Attack On 9-11 to succeed without a hitch and led US into 2-3 unnecessary wars that could have been averted.
Same with idiot Donald Trump, who slept through all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to defund and remove the highly regarded and successful Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs, leading directly to US losing more than a million citizen lives along with historic economic collapse and hardship.
These are examples of American numbskulls of whom I demanded restraint to the point of them resigning and nobody voting for anyone in their Party ever again. Obviously, my demands were not met. But I had plenty of justification in demanding it.
And I will add this; when I say Netanyahu is Israel's version of GW Bush and Donald Trump, there sure appears to me to be ample evidence of complicity with the enemy and near criminal negligence on National Security on Netanyahu's side to suggest the bloody conflict his country is embroiled in today could very likely have been averted as well had it not been for Netanyahu's GW Bush / Trump-like incompetence. I'm not seeing Netanyahu as just an innocent, blameless victim in his mess, buffetted by fate into a position where there was and is no possibility of mitigation or steering away from the storm anymore than I saw it in those three idiot Repub presidents of my own country:
[B]For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now its blown up in our faces.
The premiers policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from.
Oct 8, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/[/URL]
[B]Why did Israel, Netanyahu knowingly neglect West Bank security in 2017? - analysis.
Feb. 28, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-733000[/URL]
[QUOTE]The border was just too long and not enough Israelis had been killed by West Bank border terrorism until March 2022.
The State Comptrollers Report about the severe lack of the Seam Line security fence in the West Bank is a story of how the whole security and political establishment abandoned the fence and border security in general.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AM3VDyVIpY[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970710]You're lashing out at the wrong people on the wrong point.
My point was regarding the 114890 votes for Trump instead of Harris. I am more in line with Harris' opinion of the conflict; that.
Israel has a right to defend itself and how it does so matters. The same as I felt about my country after the Attack On 9-11.
And that Harris was not in control of the factors that caused those 114,890 votes to swing from her to Trump in those three states and thereby "gave the presidency" to Trump.
Neither did Biden.
In fact, neither did Trump.
Netanyahu held the lever of control on the issue that "gave Trump the presidency" in that regard. Wittingly and willingly or not.
Now, if your follow up argument then is that, no, Hamas held all the levers on it and there was nothing Netanyahu could say or do to alter his and his alone decisions on this, go for it.
My larger point is that the media and political pundits would love nothing better than for Dems to please for the love of God stop doing whatever it is they do time and time again to recover the USA Economy from one Great Repub Downturn and Massive Jobs Destruction after another, examine their conscience for getting it so wrong this year, change their entire Party agenda and please start being more like Economy-Destroying Repubs. That is a bad idea. And not even remotely necessary based on what all the evidence and facts tell us about this election.
The reason Trump won instead of Harris is due to a very narrow demo decision in three battleground / swing states on an issue neither Harris nor, presumably, Trump had any control and nothing more than that.
As far as the assertion in your post Subject line goes, I dare to demand from MY OWN COUNTRY a level of restraint when it comes to fuck ups like GHW Bush sleeping through the warnings he got from our Iraq Ambassador for Saddam Hussain's inquiries about how he felt about him annexing Kuwait, which plunged US into an unnecessary war that could have been averted.
Same for idiot GW Bush who slept through an astonishing level of terrorist "chatter" intel and at least one alarming Presidential Daily Briefing that allowed his Attack On 9-11 to succeed without a hitch and led US into 2-3 unnecessary wars that could have been averted.
Same with idiot Donald Trump, who slept through all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to defund and remove the highly regarded and successful Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs, leading directly to US losing more than a million citizen lives along with historic economic collapse and hardship.
These are examples of American numbskulls of whom I demanded restraint to the point of them resigning and nobody voting for anyone in their Party ever again. Obviously, my demands were not met. But I had plenty of justification in demanding it.
And I will add this; when I say Netanyahu is Israel's version of GW Bush and Donald Trump, there sure appears to me to be ample evidence of complicity with the enemy and near criminal negligence on National Security on Netanyahu's side to suggest the bloody conflict his country is embroiled in today could very likely have been averted as well had it not been for Netanyahu's GW Bush / Trump-like incompetence. I'm not seeing Netanyahu as just an innocent, blameless victim in his mess, buffetted by fate into a position where there was and is no possibility of mitigation or steering away from the storm anymore than I saw it in those three idiot Repub presidents of my own country:
[B]For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now its blown up in our faces.
The premiers policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from.
Oct 8, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/[/URL]
[B]Why did Israel, Netanyahu knowingly neglect West Bank security in 2017? - analysis.
Feb. 28, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-733000[/URL][/QUOTE]I was trying to make a very narrow point that wouldn't warrant covering the last few decades of US politics. Maybe I need to explain better.
1. You're right, Netanyahu and his security apparatus were complicit in Oct 7. No doubts about it. I hope after this is over, Israelis will make him take responsibility for his inaction and other trespasses as well.
2. That said, you'll have to forgive Netanyahu for defending his country to the best of his ability regardless whether it did or didn't somewhat, somehow, maybe contribute to Trump's win. I personally find your statement quite problematic. It doesn't take too much to enrage Arab-American voters, who, quite honestly, don't need any excuses to hate Israel. In this regard, the relentless MSM coverage of Ivy League occupiers "movement" and their uncritical parroting of Hamas lies about Gaza civilian casualties did more damage than Netanyahu could ever do.
3. Your response shows you misunderstood what I meant by saying some people wouldn't dare demand the same restrain from anyone else that they demand from Israel. It's probably my fault for not making it clear.
Israel is not sending troops overseas -- Israel is fighting for its own existence.
To illustrate, imagine that a few gangs of bloodthirsty, sadistic Belizeans are sent across the border by the Belize government to kill everyone they find in their path, be it a soldier or civilian man, woman or child. Imagine further that those gangs follow their orders with such intense medieval enthusiasm that it makes your blood curdle. Then, after they murdered 1,500 Americans, they proceed taking hundreds of American hostages back to Belize to hide behind their hostages as well as innocent Belizean bystanders, who, by the way, immediately take the streets of Belize cities and chant Glory to Our Leaders and Death to America. Oh, and I totally forgot to mention that the whole country of Belize is one densely populated urban area, with all kinds of military targets embedded within civilian infrastructure, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to avoid civilian casualties despite the US military technological advances.
And did I also mention that the Belize government routinely sent rockets into the US for years with almost no reaction from the US? No? Well, they did.
So how about you? Would you demand from the United States to compromise with the terrorist government of Belize in order to avoid collateral damage? If yes, then would the US comply with your demands? Would ANY COUNTRY on this planet comply with such demands under similar circumstances?
I think you know the answer already.
* [B]Since we're living in interesting times, let me state [u]expressly[/u] that I have nothing against Belize and its people, that my Belize references were purely for illustration purposes, and that Belize is probably a wonderful country populated by friendly and peace-loving people (never been).[/B].
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970710]You're lashing out at the wrong people on the wrong point.[/QUOTE]No, you are as usual. You are so full of your usual Dem good, Republican bad nonsense that you NEVER criticize your own team even when they fuck up.
While you babble on about Arab Americans, the real Democratic turncoats were Jews. [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-won-muslim-vote-larger-margin-than-jewish-vote[/URL].
Thirty-four percentage points separated Trump from Vice President Kamala Harris among Jewish voters, according to Fox News Voter Analysis. Harris won their support 66% to 32%. In 2020,69% voted for President Biden, 30% voted for Trump. That is +5 for Trump.
In the mean time, you demonized Arab Americans, but Muslim voters favored Harris. Trump won 32% of their vote, while Harris won 63%. In 2020, Biden had won 64% of the Muslim vote, and Trump had won 35%. That is a total of only +4 for Trump.
And who could blame the Jewish voters for being like this? Kamala left competent governor Josh Shapiro at the altar for the idiot Tim Walz. And they did as you just did and trashed Isreal's uber defender, Netanyahu. How dare you compare him to Trump!
There is nothing less to say other than Merry Fucking Christmas everyone and more importantly, Happy fucking Hanukkah! He he he.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2970791]No, you are as usual. You are so full of your usual Dem good, Republican bad nonsense that you NEVER criticize your own team even when they fuck up.
While you babble on about Arab Americans, the real Democratic turncoats were Jews. [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-won-muslim-vote-larger-margin-than-jewish-vote[/URL].
Thirty-four percentage points separated Trump from Vice President Kamala Harris among Jewish voters, according to Fox News Voter Analysis. Harris won their support 66% to 32%. In 2020,69% voted for President Biden, 30% voted for Trump. That is +5 for Trump.
In the mean time, you demonized Arab Americans, but Muslim voters favored Harris. Trump won 32% of their vote, while Harris won 63%. In 2020, Biden had won 64% of the Muslim vote, and Trump had won 35%. That is a total of only +4 for Trump.
And who could blame the Jewish voters for being like this? Kamala left competent governor Josh Shapiro at the altar for the idiot Tim Walz. And they did as you just did and trashed Isreal's uber defender, Netanyahu. How dare you compare him to Trump!
There is nothing less to say other than Merry Fucking Christmas everyone and more importantly, Happy fucking Hanukkah! He he he.[/QUOTE]Assistant to the Presidents-elect, Donald Trump, had been campaigning for that 2nd Term run since 12:01 pm January 20,2017.
His reliably pro Repub Mainstream Media has been sane-washing his idiotic blather and normalizing his Anti-America, America-hating rhetoric and nonsensical "plans" for the economy and national security ever since that hour.
Kamala Harris had 107 days to campaign and get her message out about where the economy is, why, what her plans are as president regarding the economy, national security and foreign policy and to clear up almost 7 solid years of Trump / Repub / MSM lies about all of it.
She had to focus her time, the money and attention on the states that would matter, particularly PA, MI and WI, with perhaps GA, NV and Arizona to spare.
There was no time and, as it turned out, no value in her campaigning in every Blue State, no matter how interesting and more widely informative every campaign appearance might be to the broader demos around the country just so she could shore up and recover to full strength and beyond every historically Dem demo out there, especially if she wouldn't need them to win those states anyway.
Consequently, no one should be surprised that among the millions of Biden 2020 voters who didn't bother to vote because they are perfectly fine with their situation today and, what the hell, "bothsiders" assure us it doesn't matter who is president and how bad could it get no matter who wins anyay, that there were significant percentages of those demos who went missing for the Dem candidate this time.
The drop in demos for Harris is largely irrelevant. She didn't lose California, New York or Virginia because there was a drop in Dem demos she simply did not have time to rally back to awareness and sanity. In fact, she didn't lose any hisorically Blue state for that reason. She only lost PA, MI and WI for the reason I have stated and the campaign strategists on both sides will most sure come to realize and that only by a narrow margin.
With all this red herring talk about Harris or the Dems losing demos to Trump and the Repubs, where is the evidence of it in an outcome that would have had the Dems being sworn in as House Majority in about three weeks were it not for the unprecedented, outrageous undemocratic rigging and cheating by the NC Repubs, the "shocking" outcome of Ruby Red West Virginia, Montana and Ohio voting for Repub Senators and Assistant to the Presidents-elect Trump squeezing out a narrow win based solely on a relative handful of voters from a demo over which no Dem, Repub or domestic elected official had control or meaningful influence?
And this in a year where the Global Trend was fir "change" from the party in the top spot? LOL.
Sorry, it ain't there in the numbers and results.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2970770]I was trying to make a very narrow point that wouldn't warrant covering the last few decades of US politics. Maybe I need to explain better.
1. You're right, Netanyahu and his security apparatus were complicit in Oct 7. No doubts about it. I hope after this is over, Israelis will make him take responsibility for his inaction and other trespasses as well.
2. That said, you'll have to forgive Netanyahu for defending his country to the best of his ability regardless whether it did or didn't somewhat, somehow, maybe contribute to Trump's win. I personally find your statement quite problematic. It doesn't take too much to enrage Arab-American voters, who, quite honestly, don't need any excuses to hate Israel. In this regard, the relentless MSM coverage of Ivy League occupiers "movement" and their uncritical parroting of Hamas lies about Gaza civilian casualties did more damage than Netanyahu could ever do.
3. Your response shows you misunderstood what I meant by saying some people wouldn't dare demand the same restrain from anyone else that they demand from Israel. It's probably my fault for not making it clear.
Israel is not sending troops overseas -- Israel is fighting for its own existence.
To illustrate, imagine that a few gangs of bloodthirsty, sadistic Belizeans are sent across the border by the Belize government to kill everyone they find in their path, be it a soldier or civilian man, woman or child. Imagine further that those gangs follow their orders with such intense medieval enthusiasm that it makes your blood curdle. Then, after they murdered 1,500 Americans, they proceed taking hundreds of American hostages back to Belize to hide behind their hostages as well as innocent Belizean bystanders, who, by the way, immediately take the streets of Belize cities and chant Glory to Our Leaders and Death to America. Oh, and I totally forgot to mention that the whole country of Belize is one densely populated urban area, with all kinds of military targets embedded within civilian infrastructure, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to avoid civilian casualties despite the US military technological advances.
And did I also mention that the Belize government routinely sent rockets into the US for years with almost no reaction from the US? No? Well, they did.
So how about you? Would you demand from the United States to compromise with the terrorist government of Belize in order to avoid collateral damage? If yes, then would the US comply with your demands? Would ANY COUNTRY on this planet comply with such demands under similar circumstances?
I think you know the answer already.
* [B]Since we're living in interesting times, let me state [u]expressly[/u] that I have nothing against Belize and its people, that my Belize references were purely for illustration purposes, and that Belize is probably a wonderful country populated by friendly and peace-loving people (never been).[/B].[/QUOTE]Netanyahu hide his crimes behind war. Palestinians deserve a real country, as well as Israelians who were given, but USA have much more interest with Israel.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2970877]Netanyahu hide his crimes behind war. Palestinians deserve a real country.[/QUOTE]And they will have it but not before they learn how to live in peace with their neighbors.
For the umpteenth time: They had their independence, but they blew it by starting the war. Losing a war has consequences. A Frenchman who knows the history of his own country should understand it better than anyone.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970869]
Kamala Harris had 107 days to campaign[/QUOTE]And whose fault is that? The Arab American Democrats? LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970869] The drop in demos for Harris is largely irrelevant. [/QUOTE]Votes do not matter? Yes, this is why you are Loony Tooms.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970869] She had to focus her time, the money and attention on the states that would matter, particularly PA, MI and WI, with perhaps GA, NV and Arizona to spare. [/QUOTE]And yet she was up in the polls and in the betting markets until the VP debate. She followed up that bump in the road with incredibly idiotic comments about NC hurricane victims and it was all over after that.
Of course, there was time to recover, but the next problem was Democratic douches like yourself. If Trump is Hitler and Netanyahu is Trump, then Netanyahu is Hitler. It is hard to be more antisemitic than that. And then there was portraying Josh Shapiro as Hermann Goering. Dems may have won Pennsylvania if Shapiro had been chosen. If the Democratic douches like yourself were not so proArab and antisemitic, Kamala may have won. He he. Allah Akbar indeed!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2970791]No, you are as usual. You are so full of your usual Dem good, Republican bad nonsense that you NEVER criticize your own team even when they fuck up.
While you babble on about Arab Americans, the real Democratic turncoats were Jews. [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-won-muslim-vote-larger-margin-than-jewish-vote[/URL].
Thirty-four percentage points separated Trump from Vice President Kamala Harris among Jewish voters, according to Fox News Voter Analysis. Harris won their support 66% to 32%. In 2020,69% voted for President Biden, 30% voted for Trump. That is +5 for Trump.
In the mean time, you demonized Arab Americans, but Muslim voters favored Harris. Trump won 32% of their vote, while Harris won 63%. In 2020, Biden had won 64% of the Muslim vote, and Trump had won 35%. That is a total of only +4 for Trump.
And who could blame the Jewish voters for being like this? Kamala left competent governor Josh Shapiro at the altar for the idiot Tim Walz. And they did as you just did and trashed Isreal's uber defender, Netanyahu. How dare you compare him to Trump!
There is nothing less to say other than Merry Fucking Christmas everyone and more importantly, Happy fucking Hanukkah! He he he.[/QUOTE]Interesting observation. It doesn't just apply to Jews and Muslims. Tooms probably could also come up with similar reasons why Harris lost because she got fewer votes than Biden among other groups. For example black men in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Or Hispanics. Suburban women, and so on. The fact is that you add up all these groups, including white males, and Harris lost by 2. 3 million popular votes and 86 electoral votes. Trump and Republicans may not have a mandate, as the country's still close to being split down the middle. But they won, and they get to call the shots.
His argument that Kamala didn't have enough time to get out her message doesn't ring true either. She was a lousy candidate, plain and simple. She would have lost if she'd been the nominee from the start. The Democrats might just have won the presidency if they'd run someone like Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin or a middle-of-the-road governor against Trump, who also was a weak candidate IMHO. But the Democratic Party's moved too far to the left to nominate someone like them.
What's very curious is Tooms' rejection of the House results:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970869]With all this red herring talk about Harris or the Dems losing demos to Trump and the Repubs, where is the evidence of it in an outcome that would have had the Dems being sworn in as House Majority in about three weeks were it not for the unprecedented, outrageous undemocratic rigging and cheating by the NC Repubs, the "shocking" outcome of Ruby Red West Virginia, Montana and Ohio voting for Repub Senators and Assistant to the Presidents-elect Trump squeezing out a narrow win based solely on a relative handful of voters from a demo over which no Dem, Repub or domestic elected official had control or meaningful influence?[/QUOTE]The Democrats lost the House popular vote by 4 million, and 2. 7%. Yet Democrats should have won the House? Somehow Republicans in North Carolina rigged and cheated more than Democrats in Illinois, Maryland, New York, New Mexico, etc. I don't get that.
[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/house[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970748][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AM3VDyVIpY[/URL][/QUOTE]You admire one of America's Grand Oil Fa*s and ex-Trannies, Mr. Garrison.
I shall reply to the blasphemy in your other posts in due course.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2971079]And whose fault is that? The Arab American Democrats? LOL.
Votes do not matter? Yes, this is why you are Loony Tooms.
And yet she was up in the polls and in the betting markets until the VP debate. She followed up that bump in the road with incredibly idiotic comments about NC hurricane victims and it was all over after that.
Of course, there was time to recover, but the next problem was Democratic douches like yourself. If Trump is Hitler and Netanyahu is Trump, then Netanyahu is Hitler. It is hard to be more antisemitic than that. And then there was portraying Josh Shapiro as Hermann Goering. Dems may have won Pennsylvania if Shapiro had been chosen. If the Democratic douches like yourself were not so proArab and antisemitic, Kamala may have won. He he. Allah Akbar indeed![/QUOTE]My assessment for why Biden dropped out has not changed since I posted it here the week it happened; Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's collective gasp and way over-reaction to Biden's worsening with age verbal tick in the debate spooked the down ballot Dem donors and the money for their campaigns was pulled. He knew he would not have lost less than a 0. 9 point vote swing to Trump in PA, MI and WI and therefore win a 2nd term. But that might have come at the expense of more Repubs in the House and Senate. So he dropped out.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden's intellect, analytical skills, cognitive competence, experience, knowledge, preparedness and fitness for office, the attributes a person uses to do the job of president well, are all far superior this very day to any Repub presidential candidate or president ever.
Sure, if Harris has spent the last 7 years campaigning for November 5, 2024 the way Trump has then she would have had time to shore up any demos necessary. But her only deficit in hitting the 270 EC Votes she needed to win was a razor-thin swing in those three states, wherever it came from. It happened to come from a demo both sides courted but neither side was responsible for their grievance or the fix for it.
Aw, voters rushed to poor Trumpty-Dumpty because his VP pick and other meanies said bad things about him, calling him Hitler and all that. Poor baby. LOL.
After campaigning for 7 solid years, even the 114,890 angry Muslim voters who voted for him instead of Harris and thereby "gave Trump the presidency" already deeply regret that decision.
Trump is Hitler?
Trump is Netanyahu?
Nope.
Trump is Presidents-elect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon's boy, sucker. LOL.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971210]Interesting observation. It doesn't just apply to Jews and Muslims. Tooms probably could also come up with similar reasons why Harris lost because she got fewer votes than Biden among other groups. For example black men in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Or Hispanics. Suburban women, and so on. The fact is that you add up all these groups, including white males, and Harris lost by 2. 3 million popular votes and 86 electoral votes. Trump and Republicans may not have a mandate, as the country's still close to being split down the middle. But they won, and they get to call the shots.
His argument that Kamala didn't have enough time to get out her message doesn't ring true either. She was a lousy candidate, plain and simple. She would have lost if she'd been the nominee from the start. The Democrats might just have won the presidency if they'd run someone like Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin or a middle-of-the-road governor against Trump, who also was a weak candidate IMHO. But the Democratic Party's moved too far to the left to nominate someone like them. [/QUOTE]House Majorities are not determined by how many votes every Dem House candidate got across the country vs every Repub House candidate.
House districts are so gerrymandered that many if not most districts barely experience a true campaign. The candidates' party has chosen its voters and they simply wait for the election results to come in.
We don't know how many overall votes would be for Dems vs Repubs if districts were drawn strictly by population and not by Party affiliation, thereby requiring each Party's candidate to duke it out in a real campaign.
It may very well be that the only reason more Repubs vote for Repub House candidates is because the Repub Party gerrymanders their districts so tight within an inch on either side of a registered Repub that there is virtually no reason for a Dem to spend 1 dime or an afternoon campaigning there trying to reverse total insanity.
If the number of votes for Dem Senators vs Repub Senators as well as Dem presidential candidates vs Repub presidential candidates over the past 35 years is any indication of how outlawing gerrymandering would change the overall number of votes across the country for House Dems vs Repub Dems I would say Repubs better hope gerrymandering is never outlawed.
See, the kind of campaign I am talking about is where the candidates have to put some time into covering their particular district's needs while also actually explaining that, no, the unemployment rate is not at an all-time high, the stock market is not at an all-time low, the price of gasoline is not double where it hit in 2019, Joe Biden did not overturn Roe V Wade, yes, Joe Biden did drop out of the race and Kamala Harris is now the Dem presidential candidate and so on.
You know, basic information that sizable numbers and percentages of voters were actually unclear about, thanks to the wonderful world of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media, right up to and beyond November 5th.
PREVIEW OF COMING ATRACTIONS:
Trump's Pandemic, Part 2!
[B]Trump transition team plans immediate WHO withdrawal, expert says.
Dec. 24, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-transition-team-plans-immediate-who-withdrawal-expert-says-2024-12-23/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Plan aligns with Trump's criticism of WHO, isolates U.S. from global health efforts
Trump nominated WHO critics to key health positions, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Critics warn [b]U.S. withdrawal weakens WHO, boosts China's global health influence.[/b]
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The plan, which aligns with Trump's longstanding criticism of the U.N. health agency, would mark a dramatic shift in U.S. global health policy and [b]further isolate Washington from international efforts to battle pandemics.[/b]
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Critics warn that a U.S. withdrawal could undermine global disease surveillance and emergency response systems.
"The U.S. would lose influence and clout in global health and [b]China would fill the vacuum. [/b]I can't imagine a world without a robust WHO. But U.S. withdrawal would severely weaken the agency," Gostin said.[/QUOTE]Swear to god, Trump is such a suck-up and lacky to China, he is going to once again "defund and remove" far superior USA-Centric Pandemic Prevention teams and influence and hand it over to the country he left it to in late 2019.
That is when he left it up to China to keep and eye on emerging viruses and potential Pandemics, expecting them and not US to give the world a heads up about potential Pandemics soon enough to PREVENT a deadly, worldwide economy-destroying Pandemic from developing!
Remember how well that worked out last time he did that? Well, he's determined to do it again.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2970572]I do not know what a Sovereign citizen is. I've seen Nick Gillespie on television once or twice and all I remember is that he's kind of Neanderthal looking. Charles Koch on the other hand, like his brother David, is a Genuine American Hero. The Koch Brothers donated billions to education, medicine and poverty alleviation. They've done much more to improve the USA than anyone posting on this board. More than Bernie's Benefactor George Soros.
Estimates of the number of innocent people sentenced to death run between 4% and 12% of the total number who were on death row.
Let's compare you and me.
The Marquesa:
1. Favors the execution of innocents.
2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.
3. Wants to impoverish America with big government and Bernie Sanders socialist policies.
4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.
5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.
The Reverend Tiny:
1. Favors a system like Singapore's Central Provident Fund, which would provide decent retirement and decent medical care to all, as well as money for education and a house.
2. Prefers individual freedom. If it doesn't hurt other people, then what people do is none of the government's damn business.
3. Prefers smaller government, along the lines of what has made the USA, Switzerland and Singapore the most prosperous decent-sized countries in the world.
4. Has crushes on Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.
Now who's evil?
Nevertheless Marquesa, I love you as I do all fellow humans.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
- The Reverend Tiny.[/QUOTE]You sound just like the anti semitic Spidy.
1. Favors the execution of innocents.
2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.
3. Wants to impoverish America.
4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.
5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.
Spidy is that really you?
I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971331]I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-biden-legacy-nearly-a-trillion-in-improper-payments/[/URL]
The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.
President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).
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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.
The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.
That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .
Of the 24 or so reliably, historically, traditionally Blue States and Districts, only three of those Blue States flipped to Trump and only by a razor-thin margin. It was where less than a 0. 9 point swing from Harris to Trump in one of those three states, less than a 0. 8 point swing in another and less than a 0. 5 point swing in the third one was enough to do it.
That would be PA, MI and WI, the only 3 states that determined the difference between a President-elect Harris today and a Presidents-elect or is it Presidents-UNelect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.
See screenshot below.
Scroll down to "Results" on this link for the latest numbers and points:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
Now, here are a few points about the election in general and those three states in particular that I suspect the "Every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Loss of the past 100 years and none of the historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Gains happening under Repub Presidents and all of the Polar Opposite Results happening under Dem Presidents is just a wild, magical and mystical coincidence" crowd will dismiss as not ringing true. To them.
Nevertheless, the empirical evidence, admissions and acknowledgement by the key participants and beneficiary as well as the final and actual overall numbers and results provides overwhelming proof of the truth of them:
1. They were the three closest states in terms of final Trump vs Harris votes.
2. Related to the above point, they were the three states Harris spent the most time in campaigning and ad expenditures.
3. Even if Biden had been the candidate to the very end he would have only had an additional 90 days or so to campaign than Harris vs the 7 years Trump spent campaiging for it. It turns out, unlike Trump, Biden had an actual job to keep him busy since January 20,2021; recovering the colossal mess on all economic, jobs destruction, national security, health, life, death, crime rate, foreign policy, American Insurrection, Overthrowing of American democracy fronts Trump left behind and doing so in historic, remarkable and unprecedented sucessful fashion.
Ergo, Biden would have had scarcely more free time to focus on campaigning in much more than those same three states as Harris did.
And that is in contrast to Trump who, as far as anyone can tell, his only "work time" as so-called president was the 20 minutes or so it took him to sign that ridiculous, deficit-ballooning waste of tax-dollars Tax Cuts and Jobs Act put together by the Repubs in Congress one day in late December 2017. Other than that, nothing. Just walking and talking and golfing and campaigning for his 2nd term run.
4. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country where demos such as, oh, black men, non college-educated whites, Latinos and yeah, even angry Muslims reside.
5. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country that had access to news feeds and personal opinions and experiences regarding the economy, trannies, pronouns, immigration, Roe v Wade, who referred to who as "Hitler", crime rates, etc etc etc.
6. Yet, none of those 24 or so typically Blue States and Districts flipped to Red in the presidential contest, none of the supposedly critical Dem demos were compelled to shift from Harris to Trump in ANY of those typically Blue States or Districts enough to flip the entire state to Trump if even by a razor-thin margin or swing in votes, except THREE.
7. Those three states also happen to be the only three states where Muslim Community Leaders mobilized to channel the anger of their Community of voters, sizable in all three states, to deny the Biden Administration a presidential win due to their conflating the USA support for Israel in its conflict with Gaza with love and support for Netanyahu, who they hate. Even though almost immediately after they "gave Trump the presidency" in that way and for that reason they have deeply regretted doing so.
8. All the buzz issues Trump and his sucker MAGAs spent at least 7 years conjuring up and carried mostly unchallenged into Americans' homes by obedient pro Repub Mainstream Media and non traditional media along with all those red herrings about Dems "losing their Demos to Trump" did not matter one whit with regard to which candidate won the presidential election.
9. The only thing that mattered was that relative handful of angry Muslim joker in the deck that no one other than them had control over, unfortunately for them as well as the rest of the country, popped up in Trump's hand on that one critical day.
10. Could a surge of uncharacteristically intelligent and suddenly roused out of their MSM-assisted, Trump Con-induced hypnotic state MAGAs have rushed in to save themselves and America by voting for Harris instead of Trump in those three states and thereby counteracted the effect of those mobilized angry Muslims on the unfortunate election result, perhaps if she hadn't been a she and the other ethnic minority mix she was?
Sure. Coulda Woulda Shoulda.
But didn't.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971384][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-biden-legacy-nearly-a-trillion-in-improper-payments/[/URL]
The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.
President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).
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By Rachel Greszler.
December 27,2024 6:30 AM.
130 Comments.
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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.
The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.
That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .[/QUOTE]Holy shit! Trump made almost 66% of a $Trillion in improper payments after inheriting a stunning economy from Obama-Biden and accomplishing nothing over the next 4 years except losing a Trade War with China, ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic, presiding over NEGATIVE job growth, adding $Trillions to the deficit and leading a violent mob of cop-killing and maiming insurrectionists to storm and invade the Capitol in an attempt to overturn a free and fair election and overthrow American democracy?
On what and to whom, exactly? His kids?
Now, if he had inherited the total shitstorm of colossal economic disaster, massive jobs destruction by the millions and managed to pull us out of one quagmire counterproductive Repub-initiated War as Obama inherited and did and all of that plus a historic, worldwide-economy destroying and global supply-chain collapsing, hyper-inflation triggering, mass murdering by the millions Trump's Pandemic to clean up and recover the world from as Biden did, well, we could understand some serious money falling between the cushions here and there to accomplish so much and so many positive results.
But from just playing golf, failing and lying about everything for 4 solid years as Trump did? Astonishing.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2971012]And they will have it but not before they learn how to live in peace with their neighbors.
For the umpteenth time: They had their independence, but they blew it by starting the war. Losing a war has consequences. A Frenchman who knows the history of his own country should understand it better than anyone.[/QUOTE]Where is future Palestine? When criminal Netanyahou killed more than 1000 children in Gaza. Just a shame to support him.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970586]You are opposed to Killing the SAVAGES.
"If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens. " even the evil savages? So you defend the evil savages right to live.
I most definitely do NOT!
I know your problem (well at least one of them) you have no clue the difference between good and evil!!
Here's a question for you?
I hope it doesn't hurt.
You wrote.
"If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens. ".
Ok this savage is an illegal alien from the NYC subway, and you still want to defend this monsters right to breathe at tax payers expense for the next 50 yrs?
$556,000 per person each.
(Credit: Jim Henderson) In 2021, the New York City Comptroller revealed the cost of incarceration has grown to more than $556,000 per person each year. That's over $1,500 each day to lock up just one person. Jan 17,2024.
"Good peace to all and all a good night".
(except Evil homicidal savages).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970603]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd753r47815o[/URL]
I hope they execute her on live TV and its so popular it makes it way to US court rooms.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39535957[/URL]
US executions need to be televised live like the Super Bowl.
4%-12% of executions are innocent LMFAO.
You're going to make ET piss himself when he reads that.
Lets see some facts to back that up Morbidly Obese Tiny The Bullshitter.
....But you haven't told us how you snuck that laptop into the Texas State Mental Hospital (under your rolls of fat? Or your YUGE ass crack?[/QUOTE]That's fucking low. Little people can't really do much about our weight. We have the same sized organs as you do, packed onto a smaller frame. I wouldn't make fun of you for your horns or tail, and you shouldn't make fun of my weight.
As to "facts to back that up", the 4% low end is from this study, which says "if all death-sentenced defendants remained under sentence of death indefinitely at least 4. 1% would be exonerated. We conclude that this is a conservative estimate of the proportion of false conviction among death sentences in the United States. ".
[URL]https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1306417111[/URL]
The 12% upper end is from this.
[URL]https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/research/analysis/reports/special-reports/dpic-special-report-the-innocence-epidemic[/URL]
Now I believe 12% is probably way too high, but more likely to be true than a $556,000 per year cost to imprison a murderer for life. That just applies to New York City, where the Bernie Bros control the city and state government. And that's their decision, whether they execute people or not. I don't live there so it's none of my business.
What I've seen indicates it costs more to impose the death penalty than life imprisonment without parole.
From 1978 to around 2010, California's death penalty system cost about $4 billion more than a system with life imprisonment:
[URL]https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/llr/vol46/iss0/1/[/URL]
Death penalty cases in Kansas cost an estimated 70% more than cases in which the death penalty wasn't sought, including the cost of incarceration:
[URL]https://www.ksabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cost-Workshop-Handout.pdf[/URL]
The death penalty in Washington state costs about $1 million more in costs per case compared to cases where the death penalty is not sought. This study included the cost of incarceration too:
[URL]https://law.seattleu.edu/media/school-of-law/documents/centers-and-institutes/korematsu-center/initiatives-and-projects/defender-initiative/The-Economic-Costs-of-Seeking-the-Death-Penalty-in-WA.pdf[/URL]
Now, what you truly fail to appreciate is this:
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970371]When you dream you don't dream about pussy like normal men, you dream about being a Slave Owner circa 1800 Savannah Ga.[/QUOTE]If people like me were in charge of the penal system, we'd make incarcerating those murderers a paying proposition! Contrary to what you say, I believe prisoners should, in the words of Milton Friedman, be [B]Free to Choose.[/B] So I'd give them a choice, eat prison gruel and lead a difficult life. Or volunteer to work for Tiny's Global Solutions Inc! We'd have them cleaning up radioactive waste, rent them out as mercenaries, and so on. And we wouldn't pay them anything! Just provide lobster, steak and cheap hookers! I bet we could get 90% of them to go for that over prison gruel! And make a bundle!
And yes you do favor execution of innocents. If you impose a death penalty, you WILL execute innocent people. Using the lower end, 4%, there's a very good chance that one or more of the 37 people on death row whose sentences were commuted by Biden were innocent. Please note that 4% x 37 = 1.5 innocents saved!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970583]
Koch bros, the dead one wasn't nearly as bad as Chas.
Chas Koch=a real life iteration of Montgomery Burns.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2970603]I have never heard of Chas Koch donating to anything EVER.
That wasn't completely self serving, like donating to help illegals get drivers licenses or new immigrants to vote.
As that what you call poverty alleviation? You're TWISTED.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2023/10/10/exclusive-charles-koch-koch-industries-has-given-more-than-5-billion-of-his-koch-industries-stock-to-two-nonprofits/[/URL]
He's a parasitic turd and you consider him your hero.[/QUOTE]Parasitic turd in the view of you and your Economic Heroes (Bernie Sanders, Karl Marx and Juan Peron.) But not me and mine!
As to your link, we don't know exactly what the money in his "Believe in People" foundation will be spent on. But based on his book by the same name, we should expect that an outsized portion or the majority will be spent on education, health care innovation, and community development.
But Charles Koch's bigger contribution to humanity and America was through his leadership of Koch Industries. During his time as CEO, Koch grew from fewer than 500 employees and $187 million in revenues to 120,000 employees and revenues of $125 billion. The company provided lots of jobs, and products that benefit all of us. Thank goodness for people like Charles Koch! And his principled support of free market ideas and libertarianism is just the icing on the cake!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971384][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-biden-legacy-nearly-a-trillion-in-improper-payments/[/URL]
The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.
President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).
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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.
The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.
That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .[/QUOTE]There you go. Trump misspent around $700 billion. And Obama and Biden around a trillion dollars! Nobody knows what a lot of that was even spent on. And you and the other Bernie Bros still believe we should keep shoveling more and more money to an inefficient and wasteful federal government?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971331]So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL][/QUOTE]He just sounds like another neoconservative, racist, Indian-bashing, ex-Republican Democrat to me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971251]House Majorities are not determined by how many votes every Dem House candidate got across the country vs every Repub House candidate.
House districts are so gerrymandered that many if not most districts barely experience a true campaign. The candidates' party has chosen its voters and they simply wait for the election results to come in.
We don't know how many overall votes would be for Dems vs Repubs if districts were drawn strictly by population and not by Party affiliation, thereby requiring each Party's candidate to duke it out in a real campaign.
It may very well be that the only reason more Repubs vote for Repub House candidates is because the Repub Party gerrymanders their districts so tight within an inch on either side of a registered Repub that there is virtually no reason for a Dem to spend 1 dime or an afternoon campaigning there trying to reverse total insanity.
If the number of votes for Dem Senators vs Repub Senators as well as Dem presidential candidates vs Repub presidential candidates over the past 35 years is any indication of how outlawing gerrymandering would change the overall number of votes across the country for House Dems vs Repub Dems I would say Repubs better hope gerrymandering is never outlawed.
See, the kind of campaign I am talking about is where the candidates have to put some time into covering their particular district's needs while also actually explaining that, no, the unemployment rate is not at an all-time high, the stock market is not at an all-time low, the price of gasoline is not double where it hit in 2019, Joe Biden did not overturn Roe V Wade, yes, Joe Biden did drop out of the race and Kamala Harris is now the Dem presidential candidate and so on.
You know, basic information that sizable numbers and percentages of voters were actually unclear about, thanks to the wonderful world of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media, right up to and beyond November 5th.[/QUOTE]I think it's a whole lot simpler. Just look at the numbers. The Democrats have done a much better job of gerrymandering House districts than Republicans. I addressed that before:
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965849]This "what if" line of reasoning appeals to you and some MAGA Repubicans. "What if" 100% of Muslims had voted for Harris? "What if" Republicans had just gotten 11,284 more votes in Georgia, 21,347 more votes in Wisconsin, and so on?
I saw the sanctimonious, delusional partisan Democrat, Wiley Nickel, on MSNBC's Morning Joe yesterday. He's the subject of the article you linked to above at bullshitout.org. Since 1946, Democrats have cheated much more effectively than Republicans, in getting more than their fair share of House seats. [b]During that period, since 1946, Democrats got on average 3.9% more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. That's an average of 9 more House seats, every election! [/b]
Republicans managed to turn the table in 2012 to 2016, but since then Democrats have gotten a marginally higher % of House Seats than votes.
See the last column in this table compiled by the Democrat-controlled Brookings Institution if you want to verify:
[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]
The table goes through 2018. Here's the difference between the Democratic percentage of seats won, and the percentage of votes won since then:
2020 +0.7%
2022 +1.2%
2024 +1.6%.
The 2024 results reflect a final tally of 220 GOP House seats and 215 Democrat seats. [B]The Republicans won the House by a 5 seat margin, not one seat, as you keep repeatedly saying. [/B].
So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.
North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.
New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%
You can reproduce using the following sites and switching states:
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/north-carolina-house-results[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/north-carolina[/URL]
Admittedly I could probably come up with Republican states just as wildly unfair as the blue states above. Still, historically, the Democrats have cheated more effectively than Republicans, as clearly shown by the numbers. Democrat think tanks and media sources attempt to show that Republicans are better at gerrymandering House seats, but the numbers clearly show they're wrong. Crafty Democrats.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971406]Of the 24 or so reliably, historically, traditionally Blue States and Districts, only three of those Blue States flipped to Trump and only by a razor-thin margin. It was where less than a 0. 9 point swing from Harris to Trump in one of those three states, less than a 0. 8 point swing in another and less than a 0. 5 point swing in the third one was enough to do it.
That would be PA, MI and WI, the only 3 states that determined the difference between a President-elect Harris today and a Presidents-elect or is it Presidents-UNelect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.
See screenshot below.
Scroll down to "Results" on this link for the latest numbers and points:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election[/URL]
Now, here are a few points about the election in general and those three states in particular that I suspect the "Every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Loss of the past 100 years and none of the historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Gains happening under Repub Presidents and all of the Polar Opposite Results happening under Dem Presidents is just a wild, magical and mystical coincidence" crowd will dismiss as not ringing true. To them.
Nevertheless, the empirical evidence, admissions and acknowledgement by the key participants and beneficiary as well as the final and actual overall numbers and results provides overwhelming proof of the truth of them:
1. They were the three closest states in terms of final Trump vs Harris votes.
2. Related to the above point, they were the three states Harris spent the most time in campaigning and ad expenditures.
3. Even if Biden had been the candidate to the very end he would have only had an additional 90 days or so to campaign than Harris vs the 7 years Trump spent campaiging for it. It turns out, unlike Trump, Biden had an actual job to keep him busy since January 20,2021; recovering the colossal mess on all economic, jobs destruction, national security, health, life, death, crime rate, foreign policy, American Insurrection, Overthrowing of American democracy fronts Trump left behind and doing so in historic, remarkable and unprecedented sucessful fashion.
Ergo, Biden would have had scarcely more free time to focus on campaigning in much more than those same three states as Harris did.
And that is in contrast to Trump who, as far as anyone can tell, his only "work time" as so-called president was the 20 minutes or so it took him to sign that ridiculous, deficit-ballooning waste of tax-dollars Tax Cuts and Jobs Act put together by the Repubs in Congress one day in late December 2017. Other than that, nothing. Just walking and talking and golfing and campaigning for his 2nd term run.
4. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country where demos such as, oh, black men, non college-educated whites, Latinos and yeah, even angry Muslims reside.
5. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country that had access to news feeds and personal opinions and experiences regarding the economy, trannies, pronouns, immigration, Roe v Wade, who referred to who as "Hitler", crime rates, etc etc etc.
6. Yet, none of those 24 or so typically Blue States and Districts flipped to Red in the presidential contest, none of the supposedly critical Dem demos were compelled to shift from Harris to Trump in ANY of those typically Blue States or Districts enough to flip the entire state to Trump if even by a razor-thin margin or swing in votes, except THREE.
7. Those three states also happen to be the only three states where Muslim Community Leaders mobilized to channel the anger of their Community of voters, sizable in all three states, to deny the Biden Administration a presidential win due to their conflating the USA support for Israel in its conflict with Gaza with love and support for Netanyahu, who they hate. Even though almost immediately after they "gave Trump the presidency" in that way and for that reason they have deeply regretted doing so.
8. All the buzz issues Trump and his sucker MAGAs spent at least 7 years conjuring up and carried mostly unchallenged into Americans' homes by obedient pro Repub Mainstream Media and non traditional media along with all those red herrings about Dems "losing their Demos to Trump" did not matter one whit with regard to which candidate won the presidential election.
9. The only thing that mattered was that relative handful of angry Muslim joker in the deck that no one other than them had control over, unfortunately for them as well as the rest of the country, popped up in Trump's hand on that one critical day.
10. Could a surge of uncharacteristically intelligent and suddenly roused out of their MSM-assisted, Trump Con-induced hypnotic state MAGAs have rushed in to save themselves and America by voting for Harris instead of Trump in those three states and thereby counteracted the effect of those mobilized angry Muslims on the unfortunate election result, perhaps if she hadn't been a she and the other ethnic minority mix she was?
Sure. Coulda Woulda Shoulda.
But didn't.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/identity-groups-politics.html[/URL]
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David Brooks.
Why We Got It So Wrong.
Nov. 14,2024.
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Let me ask you a few questions:
If the Democrats nominated a woman to run for president, would you expect her to do better among female voters than the guy who ran in her place four years before?
If the Democrats nominated a Black woman to run for president, would you expect her to do better among Black voters than the white candidate who ran in her place four years before?
If the Republicans nominated a guy who ran on mass deportation and consistently said horrible things about Latino immigrants, would you expect him to do worse among Latino voters over time?
If the Democrats nominated a vibrant Black woman who was the subject of a million brat memes, would you expect her to do better among young voters than the old white guy who ran before her?
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If you said yes to any of these questions, as I would have a month ago, you have some major rethinking to do, because all of these expectations were wrong.
In 2024, Kamala Harris did worse among Black voters than Joe Biden did in 2020. She did worse among female voters. She did much worse among Latino voters. She did much worse among young voters.
She did manage to outperform Biden among two groups: affluent people and white voters, especially white men. If there is one sentence that captures the surprising results of this election, it is this one from the sociologist Musa al-Gharbi: "Democrats lost because everyone except for whites moved in the direction of Donald Trump this cycle. ".
Going into this campaign, I did not have that one on my bingo card.
Why were so many of our expectations wrong? Well, we all walk around with mental models of reality in our heads. Our mental models help us make sense of the buzzing, blooming confusion of the world. Our mental models help us anticipate what's about to happen. Our mental models guide us as we make decisions about how to get the results we want.
Many of us are walking around with broken mental models. Many of us go through life with false assumptions about how the world works.
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Where did we get our current models? Well, we get models from our experience, our peers, the educational system, the media and popular culture. Over the past few generations, a certain worldview that emphasizes racial, gender and ethnic identity has been prevalent in the circles where highly educated people congregate. This worldview emerged from the wonderful liberation movements that highlighted American life over the past seven decades: the civil rights movement, the women's liberation movement, the gay rights movement, the trans rights movement.
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The crucial assertion of the identitarian mind-set is that all politics and all history can be seen through the lens of liberation movements. Society is divided between the privileged (straight white males) and the marginalized (pretty much everyone else). History and politics are the struggle between oppressors and oppressed groups.
In this model, people are seen as members of a group before they are seen as individuals. When Biden picked his running mate in 2020, he had promised to pick a woman, and when he picked his Supreme Court nominee in 2022, he had promised to pick a Black woman. In both cases her identity grouping came before her individual qualities.
In this model, society is seen as an agglomeration of different communities. Democrats thus produce separate agendas designed to mobilize Black men, women and so on. The goal of Democratic politics is to link all the oppressed and marginalized groups into one majority coalition.
In this model, individual cognition is de-emphasized while collective consciousness is emphasized. Groups are assumed to be relatively homogeneous. People are seen as representatives of their community. Standpoint epistemology reigns. This is the idea that a person's ideas are primarily shaped not by individual preferences but by the experience of the group. It makes sense to say, "Speaking as a gay Hispanic man." because a person's thoughts are assumed to be dispatches from a communal experience.
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This identity politics mind-set is psychologically and morally compelling. In an individualistic age, it gives people a sense of membership in a group. It helps them organize their lives around a noble cause, fighting oppression.
But this mind-set has just crashed against the rocks of reality. This model assumes that people are primarily motivated by identity group solidarity. This model assumes that the struggle against oppressive systems and groups is the central subject of politics. This model has no room for what just happened.
It turns out a lot of people don't behave like ambassadors from this or that group. They think for themselves in unexpected ways.
It turns out that many people don't see politics and history through the paradigm of liberation movements. They are concerned with all kinds of issues that don't fit into the good-versus-evil mind-set of oppressor versus oppressed: How do you fix inflation? How can we bring down crime? What should our policy on Ukraine be?
Plenty of people are exhausted by the crude generalizations that are so common today. For example, analysts talk about gender wars and hypermasculine Trump supporters. But in most elections, as in this one, there's not a vast difference between how men and women vote. The differences within the male and female populations are greater than the differences between these populations.
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A lot of the group categories that identity politics rely on don't make much sense. For example, the category "Hispanic voter" includes people of Mexican descent whose families have been in Texas for 350 years as well as families from Chile who came to New York a decade ago.
The category "people of color" doesn't make sense, either, as a way to group individuals as a political force. America has been uniquely wretched to Black Americans, practicing structural racism that shows up today, for example, in the horrendous wealth gap between Black and white people. The diverse communities we call Asian and Hispanic Americans came here largely voluntarily. Many of them have been able to prosper and experience educational and income trajectories that are different from those of a community that has suffered hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination.
Even the most solid identity group categories are fluid. As a recent Pew Research Center study found, among people who married in 2022,32 percent of Asian Americans married outside their ethnic group, as did 30 percent of Hispanics, 23 percent of Black people and 15 percent of white people. In one Pew survey 58 percent of Hispanics also identified as white.
The identity politics mind-set has made it harder to deal with nuts-and-bolts issues like how to address the homelessness crisis or reduce opioid deaths and how to run an institution in which people treat one another decently. Have you noticed that the places most rife with this mind-set (progressive cities and elite universities) have experienced one leadership failure after another?
This is a time when we all should be updating our mental models and making our view of society more complex. And I'm seeing a lot of that around me as people try to learn from what just happened.
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But I'm also seeing many people who are still victims of conceptual blindness. They are so imprisoned by their mental models, they can interpret these results only in identity politics terms: Harris lost because America is racist (even though she did virtually the same as Biden did among white voters). Harris lost because America is sexist (even though she underperformed among women). Some people blamed white women for abandoning their Black sisters, as if lack of gender solidarity were the main thing going on here.
Identitarian takes are strewn across the media. The New Yorker ran an analysis piece headlined "How America Embraced Gender War. " Slate ran a piece called "Men Got Exactly What They Wanted. " The Guardian ran a piece called "Our Mistake Was to Think We Lived in a Better Country Than We Do. " If the election didn't come out the way we wanted, it must be because of their groups' bigotry against our groups.
As I try to update my own models, a few stray thoughts enter my mind. First, you don't reduce racial, ethnic and gender bigotry by raising the salience of these categories and by exaggerating the differences between groups. Second, integration is better than separatism. Diverse societies prosper when people in different categories cooperate in respectful ways on a day-to-day basis, not when we divide people into supposedly homogeneous enclaves. Third, assimilation is not a dirty word, as long as it's voluntary; it's not a sin to feel that your love for America transcends your love for your ethnic group, and you don't really love America if you despise half its people. Fourth, most of the world's problems are caused by stupidity and human limitation, not because there's some malevolently brilliant group of oppressors keeping everybody else down.
Fifth, seeing groups in all their complexity requires seeing individuals in all their complexity. To see people well, you have to see what makes them unique. You also have to see which groups they belong to. You also have to see their social location where they fit in the economic, social and status hierarchies. When you're able to see people at all three levels of reality, you're beginning to see them holistically.
Finally, we need a social vision that doesn't rely on zero-sum us / them thinking. During his first term, Trump unleashed a cultural assault based on his version of identity politics. The left responded by doubling down on its identitarian mind-set. We have to do better this time.
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In 1959 the British jurist Patrick Devlin made a point that should haunt us: "Without shared ideas on politics, morals and ethics, no society can exist. " he added, "If men and women try to create a society in which there is no fundamental agreement about good and evil, they will fail; if having based it on common agreement, the agreement goes, the society will disintegrate. ".
We need a social vision that is as morally compelling as identity politics but does a better job of describing reality. We need a national narrative that points us to some ideal and gives each of us a noble role in pursuing it. That's the gigantic cultural task that lies ahead.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971331]I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL][/QUOTE]"MAGAs unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs".
Sounds like quintessential sour grapes, I live in a bad ass Penthouse and I don't know anyone that needs to move to the third world just to get by LOLOLOLOL.
Stop projecting so much its a really bad look LOLOLOLOL.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971606]That's fucking low. Little people can't really do much about our weight. We have the same sized organs as you do, packed onto a smaller frame. I wouldn't make fun of you for your horns or tail, and you shouldn't make fun of my weight.
As to "facts to back that up", the 4% low end is from this study, which says "if all death-sentenced defendants remained under sentence of death indefinitely at least 4. 1% would be exonerated. We conclude that this is a conservative estimate of the proportion of false conviction among death sentences in the United States. ".
[URL]https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1306417111[/URL]
The 12% upper end is from this.
[URL]https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/research/analysis/reports/special-reports/dpic-special-report-the-innocence-epidemic[/URL]
Now I believe 12% is probably way too high, but more likely to be true than a $556,000 per year cost to imprison a murderer for life. That just applies to New York City, where the Bernie Bros control the city and state government. And that's their decision, whether they execute people or not. I don't live there so it's none of my business.
What I've seen indicates it costs more to impose the death penalty than life imprisonment without parole.
From 1978 to around 2010, California's death penalty system cost about $4 billion more than a system with life imprisonment:
[URL]https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/llr/vol46/iss0/1/[/URL]
Death penalty cases in Kansas cost an estimated 70% more than cases in which the death penalty wasn't sought, including the cost of incarceration:
[URL]https://www.ksabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cost-Workshop-Handout.pdf[/URL]
The death penalty in Washington state costs about $1 million more in costs per case compared to cases where the death penalty is not sought. This study included the cost of incarceration too:
[URL]https://law.seattleu.edu/media/school-of-law/documents/centers-and-institutes/korematsu-center/initiatives-and-projects/defender-initiative/The-Economic-Costs-of-Seeking-the-Death-Penalty-in-WA.pdf[/URL]
Now, what you truly fail to appreciate is this:
If people like me were in charge of the penal system, we'd make incarcerating those murderers a paying proposition! Contrary to what you say, I believe prisoners should, in the words of Milton Friedman, be [B]Free to Choose.[/B] So I'd give them a choice, eat prison gruel and lead a difficult life. Or volunteer to work for Tiny's Global Solutions Inc! We'd have them cleaning up radioactive waste, rent them out as mercenaries, and so on. And we wouldn't pay them anything! Just provide lobster, steak and cheap hookers! I bet we could get 90% of them to go for that over prison gruel! And make a bundle!
And yes you do favor execution of innocents. If you impose a death penalty, you WILL execute innocent people. Using the lower end, 4%, there's a very good chance that one or more of the 37 people on death row whose sentences were commuted by Biden were innocent. Please note that 4% x 37 = 1.5 innocents saved!
Parasitic turd in the view of you and your Economic Heroes (Bernie Sanders, Karl Marx and Juan Peron.) But not me and mine!
As to your link, we don't know exactly what the money in his "Believe in People" foundation will be spent on. But based on his book by the same name, we should expect that an outsized portion or the majority will be spent on education, health care innovation, and community development.
But Charles Koch's bigger contribution to humanity and America was through his leadership of Koch Industries. During his time as CEO, Koch grew from fewer than 500 employees and $187 million in revenues to 120,000 employees and revenues of $125 billion. The company provided lots of jobs, and products that benefit all of us. Thank goodness for people like Charles Koch! And his principled support of free market ideas and libertarianism is just the icing on the cake![/QUOTE]Well I believe Libertarians only oppose prisons because they don't want to be put in there for not following the laws all of us should follow!! Ie PAYING THEIR TAXES.
If death penalty opponents are so opposed to killing innocents why can't they show it actually does that, I've never EVER seen 1 single credible case.
You mention the higher cost, well that's from worthless attys that have nothing better to do then appeal appeal appeal and that costs the state millions.
So to make sure NONE of them are innocent.
You can't tell me a savage killer gets 56 appeals over 20 years with 200 attys but still gets executed and is innocent, NOT a chance.
Libertarians resent govt power espec their power to kill savages, it scares them!! But don't worry don't be a scumbag savage and they won't!!
As to your link, we don't know exactly what the money in his "Believe in People" foundation will be spent on. But based on his book by the same name, we should expect that an outsized portion or the majority will be spent on education, health care innovation, and community development.
I think its say on illegal aliens!! They make slavery in 2025 possible!!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971611]I think it's a whole lot simpler. Just look at the numbers. The Democrats have done a much better job of gerrymandering House districts than Republicans. I addressed that before:[/QUOTE]From 1946 until at least 1968 the districts you're referring to as "Democrat" were the same regional voters who vote for MAGA Repubs now. The Democratic Party lost them when they passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If they were cheating as Dems then they are cheating as Repubs now and since at least 1968.
Aside from that, any assertion of which Party gets the most House votes is utterly and totally irrelevant until and unless gerrymandering is outlawed.
Where there is no gerrymandering, such as Senate and Presidential elections, Dem candidates have proven to get far more votes than Repub candidates more often than not for decades and decades.
Let's see what happens when there is no gerrymandering of any districts. Until then, any claim to anything regarding "more votes across the country" is meaningless blather.
And you and anyone else has zero or less than zero argument that Dem voters get THEIR fair share of Senate representation as long as every state only gers 2 Senators regardless of the number of votes for Dem vs Repub candidates or THEIR fair share of Presidential representation as long as the vote counts for the 2000 and 2016 have not been wiped from the record books on President-UNelect Musk's order.
We already have a 6 Seat MAGA Repub SCOTUS Majority put there either by Repub so-called presidents who were awarded the presidency despite getting FEWER votes than the Dem candidate or by Repub Moscow Mitch cheating like burning hell to put them there.
Isn't that enough cheating, rigging and stealing your unfair share of American governance? Now you want NC to steal the House Majority for your beloved Repubs without anyone mentioning or objecting to it too?
Ah, that's better.
Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.
President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.
[B]Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971609]He just sounds like another neoconservative, racist, Indian-bashing, ex-Republican Democrat to me.[/QUOTE]Racist? Seriously? I didn't hear one racist word, are you really Spidy?
Indian bashing? Really I didn't hear that.
I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?
But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM[/URL]
"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.
Not even in White House, but crazy Trump already play Putin with Canada, Groenland and Panama. Do like Ukraine, resist to this crazy dangerous. For me, same like I don t buy shit chinese products, I won t buy USA products under Trump, when I trust more European quality than Boeing or Tesla. Better to isolate crazy like Trump, Netanyahou and Putin.
With all this talk about lying, cheating, stealing, election-rigging House Repubs never getting their fair share of House seats considering the utterly irrelevant total national vote count in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering showed them with a minor utterly irrelevant edge, I suddenly remembered that, by golly, there has been Congressional legislation proposed and put up for a vote in the House and the Senate meant to make it so wonderfully fair the Repubs could count on riding that now utterly irrelevant national vote count edge to a permanent Repub Majority!
Therefore, that legislation banning partisan gerrymandering MUST have been proposed by Repubs, overwhelmingly supported and voted for by Repubs and rejected and blocked by Dems, right?
Uh. No.
[B]For the People Act/The Freedom to Vote Act[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]The Freedom to Vote Act[/b] (formerly known as the [b]For the People Act[/b]), introduced as H.R. 1, is a bill in the United States Congress intended to expand voting rights, change campaign finance laws to reduce the influence of money in politics, [b]ban partisan gerrymandering[/b], and create new ethics rules for federal officeholders.
The act was [b]originally introduced by John Sarbanes in 2019, on behalf of the newly elected Democratic majority in the United States House of Representatives as the first official legislation of the 116th United States Congress.[/b] The House passed the bill on March 8, by a [b]party-line vote of 234193[/b]. The bill was viewed as a "signature piece of legislation" from the [b]Democratic House majority.[/b] After the House passed the bill, it was [b]blocked from receiving a vote by the then Republican-controlled Senate, under Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.[/b]
In 2021, in the 117th Congress, [b]congressional Democrats reintroduced the act as H.R. 1 and S. 1. On March 3, 2021, the bill passed the House of Representatives on a near party-line vote of 220210,[/b] advancing to the Senate, which was split 5050 between Democrats and Republicans (with Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris holding the tie-breaking vote), and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer vowed to bring it to the floor for a vote. On June 22, 2021, a vote on the bill was held in the Senate. [B]It received unified support from the Democratic caucus, but Senate Republicans blocked the bill with a filibuster, as it lacked the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture after a party-line vote.[/b][/QUOTE]TO RECAP:
The legislation was introduced by a Democrat, in a Democratic Party House Majority, multiple times. It was originally introduced by the Dems as their FIRST official legislation after winning the Majority in the House. It was that important to them even AFTER just winning the Majority under the then current gerrymandering conditions!
It was voted on BY Democrats on a party-line or near party-line vote every time but, also every time, BLOCKED by Repubs in the Senate.
Now, that is a puzzlement, isn't it?
What in the world were the Repubs thinking?
Don't Congressional Repubs know they have almost always gotten more national votes than Dems in this world of extreme gerrymandering but not getting their "fair share" of House Seats?
Hmm. From the part-line voting pattern on that bill and the consistent effort to BLOCK it by their Repub brothers in the Senate, I might conclude any talk about poor put-upon lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging Repubs not getting their "fair share" of House Seats is just so much partisan Repub BS.
In fact, I have come to that conclusion.
Congressional Repubs don't even want to come CLOSE to banning their precious and necessary extreme gerrymandering. They already know they need that and any lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging they can pull like they did in NC this time around in order to squeak out a Pink Tinkle or less majority every now and then.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971608]There you go. Trump misspent around $700 billion. And Obama and Biden around a trillion dollars! Nobody knows what a lot of that was even spent on. And you and the other Bernie Bros still believe we should keep shoveling more and more money to an inefficient and wasteful federal government?[/QUOTE][B]Are you down with spending 86 million USD for mass deportations[/B]?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971615]"MAGAs unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs".
Sounds like quintessential sour grapes, I live in a bad ass Penthouse and I don't know anyone that needs to move to the third world just to get by LOLOLOLOL.
Stop projecting so much its a really bad look LOLOLOLOL.[/QUOTE]I thought you lived in a crime-ridden, homeless enclave hellscape city run by Dems?
Is your penthouse high enough to be beyond shooting range?
Sounds like you love it.
After I dried my eyes from weeping over the poor House Repubs being either too stupid to support or not block the Dems' repeated attempts to ban partisan gerrymandering and thereby allow their utterly irrelevant minor edge in total national House votes provide them with their "fair share" of House Seats or too addicted to the extreme gerrymandering and election-rigging they employ and risk losing the House Majority far into the future, I decided to do a little research to see just how unfairly poor put-upon Repub Senators and their constituents are treated by the current misapportionment rigged in Repubs' favor:
[B]The 20232024 U.S. Senate Is Exceedingly Unrepresentative in Multiple Ways[/B]
[URL]https://mettlinger.medium.com/the-2023-senate-will-be-exceedingly-unrepresentative-72d39f83847a[/URL]
[QUOTE]For starters, [b]the population of states represented by Democratic senators sum to 36% more people than the population of states represented by Republican senators 204 million compared to 150 million[/b] but the Democrats only have the slimmest possible Senate majority at 51/49. Those in states that voted for Democratic senators are underrepresented.[/QUOTE][B]Democratic senators represent 43 million more people than their Republican counterparts.[/B]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2021/12/20/22846504/senate-joe-manchin-build-back-better-democrats-republicans-43-million[/URL]
[QUOTE]Because smaller states tend to be whiter and more conservative than larger states, the constitutional design of the Senate, which gives each state two senators regardless of its population, offers Republicans an enormous advantage in the fight for control of the Senate. [B]Indeed, if the Senate were anything that could fairly be described as a democratic institution, Democrats would control closer to 56 or 57 seats[/b], rather than only holding 50 seats in the Senate.[/QUOTE]Well.
Needless to say but I suspect I better say it anyway just to clear up any confusion; I will not be weeping for mythical poor put-upon and unfairly underseated Senate Repubs and even more mythical underrepresented Repub State constituents any more that I or anyone else should have ever shed a single tear for poor put-upon mythical underseated House Repubs and their even more mythical underrepresented Repub constituents.
And don't anybody even think about expecting me to shed a tear for the poor put-upon Repub MAGA 6 Majority in the Supreme Court, virtually all of whom were placed there by Repub so-called potuses who didn't win more votes than their Dem opponent or who were shoe-horned into it via outrageous Repub Senate lying, cheating, stealing and rigging.
NEXT UP:
Now that I have regained my composure after all the weeping and tears shed over poor put-upon House, Senate and SCOTUS Members not getting their "fair share" of seats and voice in this overwhelmingly rigged-in-favor-of-Repubs representative democracy, perhaps I will do a little research and keep an eye out for when and which Party boldly and fairly promotes and supports vs which Party opposes abolishing the demonstrably undemocratic Electoral College system even when the supporting Party lost the popular vote to its opposition by a pussy hair in order to make sure every vote counts the same as every other vote regardless where you live.
Oh look! Here it is already:
[B]Senate Democrats push plan to abolish Electoral College.
12/16/2024[/B]
[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5043206-senate-democrats-abolish-electoral-college/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971635]
Indian bashing? Really I didn't hear that.
I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?
But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM[/URL]
"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.[/QUOTE]What's that phrase Bernie Bros are so fond of? Cognitive dissonance? Maybe it doesn't apply here though as you probably don't feel any discomfort about bashing people you don't have anything against.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971618]If death penalty opponents are so opposed to killing innocents why can't they show it actually does that, I've never EVER seen 1 single credible case.
[/QUOTE]As a regular viewer of Death Row Stories, all I can say is incredible. You're woefully ignorant on this subject.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971621]Isn't that enough cheating, rigging and stealing your unfair share of American governance? Now you want NC to steal the House Majority for your beloved Repubs without anyone mentioning or objecting to it too?[/QUOTE]For the third time, your party has received an average of 9 more House seats than it deserved in elections since 1946. To use your words (I'd be more diplomatic), the only way you can explain that is that Democrats have done a better job of "cheating, rigging and stealing (an) unfair share of American governance."
As to North Carolina,
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965849]
So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.
North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.
New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971666]With all this talk about lying, cheating, stealing, election-rigging House Repubs never getting their fair share of House seats considering the utterly irrelevant total national vote count in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering showed them with a minor utterly irrelevant edge, I suddenly remembered that, by golly, there has been Congressional legislation proposed and put up for a vote in the House and the Senate meant to make it so wonderfully fair the Repubs could count on riding that now utterly irrelevant national vote count edge to a permanent Repub Majority!
Therefore, that legislation banning partisan gerrymandering MUST have been proposed by Repubs, overwhelmingly supported and voted for by Repubs and rejected and blocked by Dems, right?
Uh. No.
[B]For the People Act/The Freedom to Vote Act[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act[/URL]
TO RECAP:
The legislation was introduced by a Democrat, in a Democratic Party House Majority, multiple times. It was originally introduced by the Dems as their FIRST official legislation after winning the Majority in the House. It was that important to them even AFTER just winning the Majority under the then current gerrymandering conditions!
It was voted on BY Democrats on a party-line or near party-line vote every time but, also every time, BLOCKED by Repubs in the Senate.
Now, that is a puzzlement, isn't it?
What in the world were the Repubs thinking?
Don't Congressional Repubs know they have almost always gotten more national votes than Dems in this world of extreme gerrymandering but not getting their "fair share" of House Seats?
Hmm. From the part-line voting pattern on that bill and the consistent effort to BLOCK it by their Repub brothers in the Senate, I might conclude any talk about poor put-upon lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging Repubs not getting their "fair share" of House Seats is just so much partisan Repub BS.
In fact, I have come to that conclusion.
Congressional Repubs don't even want to come CLOSE to banning their precious and necessary extreme gerrymandering. They already know they need that and any lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging they can pull like they did in NC this time around in order to squeak out a Pink Tinkle or less majority every now and then.[/QUOTE]Another deceptive post. Reading your link, provisions about Congressional gerrymandering were a small part of the proposed legislation. Republicans would have been crazy not to agree with that, provided the mechanism for selecting the independent members of the re-districting commissions was truly fair. That's because the crafty Democrats beat them like a drum at the re-districting game.
Otherwise the proposed bill was a partisan grab bag of provisions that would make elections less secure, and that Democratic Party politicians believed would help them at the polls. Well, they believed wrong. The legislation assumes Democrats are too lazy to go to the polls so if it's ridiculously easy to vote, that will favor Democrats. The 2021 Senate runoffs and 2022 elections have shown that theory to be wrong. Democrats are as motivated to vote as Republicans.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971629]Ah, that's better.
Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.
President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.
[B]Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]Stephen Miller and the Marquesa will be proud of you.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971629]Ah, that's better.
Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.
President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.
[B]Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dick-morris-h-1b-visas-immigration/2024/12/28/id/1193190/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971742]For the third time, your party has received an average of 9 more House seats than it deserved in elections since 1946. To use your words (I'd be more diplomatic), the only way you can explain that is that Democrats have done a better job of "cheating, rigging and stealing (an) unfair share of American governance.[/QUOTE]When the Repub Majority in the Senate was presented the bill from the House they could have put it up for discussion, debate and eliminated any parts of it that did not give Repubs the usual lying, cheating, stealing and election-rigging advantage they need in order to ever squeak out so much as a Pink Tinkle Majority in the House ever again and sent it back to the House for confirmation.
Presumably, according to you, that would have been leaving in only the ban on partisan gerrymandering.
Did they do that?
Nope.
Moscow Mitch, who knows everything there is to know about how Repubs EVER win Congressional seats at all much less Majorities through lying, cheating, stealing and election-rigging simply blocked the whole thing without discussion.
Stop trying to get away with deceiving about how and why there are ever Repub controls of any Branch of Government other than through their cheating or relying on structural election-rigging to do it. The facts will never support you on that contention no matter how much you lean on a mathematic premise pulled out of the air in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering.
If the total number of votes across the country determined which Party was granted the House Majority then Dems would campaign like crazy to get out the vote in California and New York districts they're going to win anyway just to jack up their national vote count, wouldn't they?
As would Repubs in Florida and Texas, I suppose.
Which would mean absolutely nothing in THIS reality where all those extra votes for Dems in Blue State districts and extra votes for Repubs in Red State districts don't mean a damn thing but wasted campaign time and money except to an eccentric pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" MAGA Repub on a *monger's website clutching at anything that will make his beloved Repubs look pretty.
So stop with the silliness.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-harris-celebrity/2024/12/28/id/1193138/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971744]Stephen Miller and the Marquesa will be proud of you.[/QUOTE]What would a MAGA Leader who up until this moment has been conning sucker MAGA voters into believing Immigrants are allowed in "to take YOUR jobs", who is slavishly devoted to the man those suckers voted for because he claimed "107% of all the new jobs Biden created (many in tech, BTW) were given to illegal aliens" and one of the proudest suckers of all time who fell for and swallowed their con hook, line and sinker have to be proud of me for?
For being one of millions now pointing out the con and humiliating victimization of it?
Well, I appreciate the recognition then.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/29/us/jimmy-carter[/URL]
He was a nice guy, that's way more than can be said about most around here.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971331]I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL][/QUOTE]He's probably one of this worthless pro low slave wages and extremely low to no taxes Libertarians.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html[/URL]
Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.
But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.
Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.
Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.
[B]Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971756]
Stop trying to get away with deceiving about how and why there are ever Repub controls of any Branch of Government other than through their cheating or relying on structural election-rigging to do it. The facts will never support you on that contention no matter how much you lean on a mathematic premise pulled out of the air in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering.[/QUOTE]LOL. LOL. LOL. Sorry for the repetition. Struggling to get to the 10 character minimum.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2971680][B]Your opinion of wasteful depends upon who is spending the money and on what!
Are you down with spending 86 million USD for mass deportations[/B]?[/QUOTE]I agree with your title Subcommander. Please take a look at the Marquesa's original post for context:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2971384#post2971384[/URL].
I wish I could read all of his link to know more, but it appears that the federal government doesn't even know how a big chunk of that money was spent! Or at least they're not telling.
As to your question, you mean $86 [B]billion[/B] for mass deportations? How many people would they deport for the $86 billion? And what are they doing now? For example, are the majority narcos and thieves, or people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do? Regardless, whether illegal immigrants are deported or converted to guest workers, they should be in compliance with the law.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971785]I agree with your title Subcommander. Please take a look at the Marquesa's original post for context:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2971384#post2971384[/URL].
I wish I could read all of his link to know more, but it appears that the federal government doesn't even know how a big chunk of that money was spent! Or at least they're not telling.
As to your question, you mean $86 [B]billion[/B] for mass deportations? How many people would they deport for the $86 billion? And what are they doing now? For example, are the majority narcos and thieves, or people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do? Regardless, whether illegal immigrants are deported or converted to guest workers, they should be in compliance with the law.[/QUOTE]"people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do".
There are ZERO jobs Americans don't want to do, but there are plenty than many people rather not do for Slave wages under Slave like conditions!!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971774]Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.
But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.
Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.
Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.
[B]Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms[/URL][/QUOTE]Carter was a good man. If there's a heaven, he's there.
When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.
Carter deserves lots of credit for replacing his first appointee as Fed Chairman, William Miller, with Volcker. Miller's policies were largely responsible for a huge decline in the value of the dollar and out of control inflation. Carter may have realized that replacing Miller with an inflation hawk (Volcker) was the death knell for his re-election chances. But he did it anyway. Kudos to Carter. And kudos to Reagan for keeping Volcker at the helm. Their decisions to support Vocker were exactly the opposite of what a president should do to meet the Tooms stamp of approval (encourage high GDP and employment growth at all costs). But they were what was right for the United States of America. Yes, we went through a couple of recessions, or one long one in the view of some. But the Fed brought inflation under control, and we didn't go the way of Argentina or Brazil.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971725]After I dried my eyes from weeping over the poor House Repubs being either too stupid to support or not block the Dems' repeated attempts to ban partisan gerrymandering and thereby allow their utterly irrelevant minor edge in total national House votes provide them with their "fair share" of House Seats or too addicted to the extreme gerrymandering and election-rigging they employ and risk losing the House Majority far into the future, I decided to do a little research to see just how unfairly poor put-upon Repub Senators and their constituents are treated by the current misapportionment rigged in Repubs' favor:
[B]The 20232024 U.S. Senate Is Exceedingly Unrepresentative in Multiple Ways[/B]
[URL]https://mettlinger.medium.com/the-2023-senate-will-be-exceedingly-unrepresentative-72d39f83847a[/URL]
[B]Democratic senators represent 43 million more people than their Republican counterparts.[/B]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2021/12/20/22846504/senate-joe-manchin-build-back-better-democrats-republicans-43-million[/URL]
Well.
Needless to say but I suspect I better say it anyway just to clear up any confusion; I will not be weeping for mythical poor put-upon and unfairly underseated Senate Repubs and even more mythical underrepresented Repub State constituents any more that I or anyone else should have ever shed a single tear for poor put-upon mythical underseated House Repubs and their even more mythical underrepresented Repub constituents.
And don't anybody even think about expecting me to shed a tear for the poor put-upon Repub MAGA 6 Majority in the Supreme Court, virtually all of whom were placed there by Repub so-called potuses who didn't win more votes than their Dem opponent or who were shoe-horned into it via outrageous Repub Senate lying, cheating, stealing and rigging.
NEXT UP:
Now that I have regained my composure after all the weeping and tears shed over poor put-upon House, Senate and SCOTUS Members not getting their "fair share" of seats and voice in this overwhelmingly rigged-in-favor-of-Repubs representative democracy, perhaps I will do a little research and keep an eye out for when and which Party boldly and fairly promotes and supports vs which Party opposes abolishing the demonstrably undemocratic Electoral College system even when the supporting Party lost the popular vote to its opposition by a pussy hair in order to make sure every vote counts the same as every other vote regardless where you live.
Oh look! Here it is already:
[B]Senate Democrats push plan to abolish Electoral College.
12/16/2024[/B]
[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5043206-senate-democrats-abolish-electoral-college/[/URL][/QUOTE]The founders saw fit to allocate Senate seats by state. If you and other Democrats don't like it you can try to pass a constitutional amendment.
Any advantage Republicans have in the electoral college is small and transient. Statisticians say that if the popular vote margin is 1% or less, the candidate that loses the popular vote has a 40% probability of winning the electoral vote. That's what happened in 2000. And contrary to your assertions, Bush didn't cheat his way to victory. Using the Florida Counties' vote-counting methodology, he would have won without the Supreme Court decision according to the definitive post mortem conducted by media organizations. As to 2016, it was a combination of a fluke, a black swan event, and Trump busting his ass during the last part of the campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Good luck with the plan to abolish the electoral college, haha.
On the other hand, there are no structural reasons why Democrats get more seats in the House than they deserve. They're just better at cheating.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971738]What's that phrase Bernie Bros are so fond of? Cognitive dissonance? Maybe it doesn't apply here though as you probably don't feel any discomfort about bashing people you don't have anything against.
As a regular viewer of Death Row Stories, all I can say is incredible. You're woefully ignorant on this subject.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/news/chinese-man-sentenced-to-death-for-killing-35-people-after-driving-into-a-crowd/[/URL]
You're such a complete and unapologetic / obsequious RIMMER of Mr Xi.
Is this guy innocent too? LMFAO.
Line up all the SAVAGES Ill volunteer!! I hate fucking criminals!!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2971636]Not even in White House, but crazy Trump already play Putin with Canada, Groenland and Panama. Do like Ukraine, resist to this crazy dangerous. For me, same like I don t buy shit chinese products, I won t buy USA products under Trump, when I trust more European quality than Boeing or Tesla. Better to isolate crazy like Trump, Netanyahou and Putin.[/QUOTE]Does senile Trump have his balls in Putin hand, after Moscow party? After Georgia. Good, Ukraine resist like a lion.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971809]Carter was a good man. If there's a heaven, he's there.
When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.
Carter deserves lots of credit for replacing his first appointee as Fed Chairman, William Miller, with Volcker. Miller's policies were largely responsible for a huge decline in the value of the dollar and out of control inflation. Carter may have realized that replacing Miller with an inflation hawk (Volcker) was the death knell for his re-election chances. But he did it anyway. Kudos to Carter. And kudos to Reagan for keeping Volcker at the helm. Their decisions to support Vocker were exactly the opposite of what a president should do to meet the Tooms stamp of approval (encourage high GDP and employment growth at all costs). But they were what was right for the United States of America. Yes, we went through a couple of recessions, or one long one in the view of some. But the Fed brought inflation under control, and we didn't go the way of Argentina or Brazil.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.[/QUOTE]The inflation and unemployment rates, the latter of which spiked up to 7. 8% for only one month under Carter in mid 1980 due to the Fed's purposely induced mini recession, had been steadily declining since mid 1980 and continued to decline well into Reagan's first year in office.
I sure wouldn't want anyone to be inadvertantly deceived into thinking Carter handed Reagan a rising inflation or unemployment rate based on the missing words in your post.
But he did hand Reagan one of the best jobs creation conditions in 100 years, certainly better than any Repub immediately before or after him in that same economically challenging period, no quagmire, counterproductive wars and a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and deficit.
If only an incoming Dem could be so lucky following an outgoing Repub just once every 100 years or so.
[QUOTE=The Cane;2970666]Hey, if it worked for Matt Gaetz. It could work for you too!
[URL]https://www.aol.com/customer-appreciation-gaetz-report-uses-222852053.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yeah, you only need to see, that the impaired moral judgment, of one Matt Gaetz, is totally beyond repair.
As clearly when he found out she was 17, keep in contact and continued sex relations with her, 3-months later when she turned 18. Clearly this wasn't a representative of congress or someone with any moral compunction, to be turned off or turned away by the idea of paying for sex with minors.
In fact quite the opposite, as the ethics report shows Gaetz, repeatedly engaged in such behavior and calls some of it, [b]statutory rape![/b]
Queue the Gaetz sympathizers, INCEL, "He-Man" Woman Haters and misogynists, applauding this disgusting, deplorable behavior.
[b]4 key findings from the House Ethics report on Matt Gaetz misconduct allegations[/b]
[url]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/4-key-findings-from-the-house-ethics-report-on-matt-gaetz-misconduct-allegations[/url]
[indent][i]"The House Ethics committee released its report on allegations against former Rep. Matt Gaetz and found substantial evidence of paying women for sex, having sex with a minor, as well as using and possessing illegal drugs."
"The Committee determined there is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz violated House Rules and other standards of conduct prohibiting prostitution, [b]statutory rape,[/b] illicit drug use, impermissible gifts, special favors or privileges, and obstruction of Congress, the report said."[/i] The report posted on AP: [URL]https://apnews.com/politics/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-report-00000193f4ccde25add3f4dd46e30000[/URL][/indent]
The dumpster fire, that is the gross miscarriage of justice, as to why Gaetz wasn't charged and criminally indicted, judging from the House Ethics committee report, is akin to the strange case of pedo Jeffery Epstein's slap on the wrist and no jail time, for running a criminal enterprise, sex trafficking and pay for sex with minors, unlike Joel Greenberg.
No doubt, there is obviously, a good deal of nefarious politicking was going on, as to why those in the DOJ and LE have decided to look the other way and turned a blind eye, to Gaetz's blatant and alleged criminal activities.
From Trump, Tuberville, Christofacist Mike Johnson, Sen. Lindsey Graham, to the all the Gaetz numskull sympathizers and INCELS, this is the guy y'all wanted as AG? [i][b](....kkkk!)[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971774]Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.
But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.
Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.
Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.
[B]Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms[/B]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms[/URL][/QUOTE]Agreed on the job creation numbers for Dems, which have always been the strongest in history.
What I'd love to know is, for a debater who loves to use ChatGPT, why hasn't he used ChatGPT to dispute the [i][b]"...50 million jobs created under Dems Presidents to a poultry 1 million created by Repubs, since 1989. Or go back the last 100 for that matter...",[/b][/i] as nonsense or a myth?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971849]The inflation and unemployment rates, the latter of which spiked up to 7. 8% for only one month under Carter in mid 1980 due to the Fed's purposely induced mini recession, had been steadily declining since mid 1980 and continued to decline well into Reagan's first year in office.
I sure wouldn't want anyone to be inadvertantly deceived into thinking Carter handed Reagan a rising inflation or unemployment rate based on the missing words in your post.
But he did hand Reagan one of the best jobs creation conditions in 100 years, certainly better than any Repub immediately before or after him in that same economically challenging period, no quagmire, counterproductive wars and a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and deficit.
If only an incoming Dem could be so lucky following an outgoing Repub just once every 100 years or so.[/QUOTE]The Fed Funds rate when Reagan took office in January, 1981 was 19.1%. YoY CPI inflation was 11.8% (not 12.5%, sorry). In other words, short term interest rates were around 7. 3% higher than the inflation rate! The Fed was running a very tight ship, to stamp out high inflation.
With that kind of monetary policy, it wouldn't have mattered if Carter had been re-elected. The USA still would had a recession in 1981, and a soaring unemployment rate. Fed policy was what was driving employment and GDP growth, or rather lack thereof, not the Political Party the President belonged to.
During 1973 to 1981, energy prices were largely what drove inflation. And with respect to energy, Carter didn't exactly do a bang up job. Admittedly, he didn't do any worse than Nixon. But his excise tax on oil (the poorly named Windfall Profits Tax) and bizarre regulatory regime for natural gas were NOT what the doctor ordered. If he'd gone at it like Trump from the start of his term ("Drill Baby Drill") things would have been somewhat different.
As to your photos about the handoff from Biden to Trump and vice versa, yes, Trump has been set up for a fall. If he does the right thing, like Carter and Reagan did when they entrusted monetary policy to Volcker, the USA may indeed suffer through a recession. The federal debt and the deficit spending are out of control. Credit card defaults are at the highest level since 2010. Inflation's still higher than the Fed's target, and monetary policy is tight. Except for the credit card defaults, this argues for fiscal restraint. We should be reducing deficits. If instead Trump and the Republicans put the pedal to the metal, like the Democrats did in 2021 and 2022, and spend, spend, spend, then the good times will continue to roll.
At some point however the hangover will come. And better sooner than later. We don't want to end up like Greece, or worse.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971331]
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971772]He's probably one of this worthless pro low slave wages and extremely low to no taxes Libertarians.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971635]
I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?
But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM[/URL]
"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.[/QUOTE]The Trump organization probably has hired a ton more immigrants with H-1 B or H-2 visas than Ramaswamy's companies. And certainly Ramaswamy's biotech company paid much higher wages on average than Trump did. Trump was always looking to save a buck, and if that involved using illegal workers on 12 hour shifts with unsafe working conditions, so be it:
[URL]https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/[/URL]
And as to "low to no income taxes,' Trump's the master of the art. He and his accountants even figured out a way to convert $900 million of losses suffered by investors in his Atlantic City casinos to tax deductions he could use! Trump carried forward the deductions for many years and so completely avoided paying federal income tax for a long time.
So Marquesa, why do you go after Ramaswamy instead of Trump? Does it have something to do with his ethnicity?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971985]The Trump organization probably has hired a ton more immigrants with H-1 B or H-2 visas than Ramaswamy's companies. And certainly Ramaswamy's biotech company paid much higher wages on average than Trump did. Trump was always looking to save a buck, and if that involved using illegal workers on 12 hour shifts with unsafe working conditions, so be it:
[URL]https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/[/URL]
And as to "low to no income taxes,' Trump's the master of the art. He and his accountants even figured out a way to convert $900 million of losses suffered by investors in his Atlantic City casinos to tax deductions he could use! Trump carried forward the deductions for many years and so completely avoided paying federal income tax for a long time.
So Marquesa, why do you go after Ramaswamy instead of Trump? Does it have something to do with his ethnicity?[/QUOTE]I wasn't referencing Vivek I was referring to Elon.
Your idiotic anecdotes about Our Lord and Savior, may or may not be true, Time mag is a rag for the Oligarchy I wouldn't wipe my ass with.
Do you think they are above lying about him? Ala The Russian hoax etc etc etc etc etc.
But Our Lord and Savior has been Saved by the New Religion of the United States its called MAGA.
He wouldn't do those things again if he even ever did?
His Raison Detre isn't like Chas Kochs which is total slavery for all and Zero taxes for him, Hunger Games for everyone including Morbidly Obese Tina!! LMAO.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/30/elon-calms-down-musk-calls-for-major-reform-of-broken-h-1b-visa-system-despite-fiery-defense/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-schmitt-h-1b-visa/2024/12/29/id/1193241/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/border/2024/12/30/human-smuggler-arrested-in-texas-for-kidnapping-guatemalan-woman-forced-labor/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/12/29/j-k-rowling-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-transgender-kid/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/we-dont-need-more-legal-immigration-to-get-more-geniuses/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=more-in-tag&utm_term=first[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/03/15/h1-b-visas-drive-u-s-workers-away-tech-jobs-depress-wages/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/border/2024/12/30/human-smuggler-arrested-in-texas-for-kidnapping-guatemalan-woman-forced-labor/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971985]The Trump organization probably has hired a ton more immigrants with H-1 B or H-2 visas than Ramaswamy's companies. And certainly Ramaswamy's biotech company paid much higher wages on average than Trump did. Trump was always looking to save a buck, and if that involved using illegal workers on 12 hour shifts with unsafe working conditions, so be it:
[URL]https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/[/URL]
And as to "low to no income taxes,' Trump's the master of the art. He and his accountants even figured out a way to convert $900 million of losses suffered by investors in his Atlantic City casinos to tax deductions he could use! Trump carried forward the deductions for many years and so completely avoided paying federal income tax for a long time.
So Marquesa, why do you go after Ramaswamy instead of Trump? Does it have something to do with his ethnicity?[/QUOTE]I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971984]The Fed Funds rate when Reagan took office in January, 1981 was 19.1%. YoY CPI inflation was 11.8% (not 12.5%, sorry). In other words, short term interest rates were around 7. 3% higher than the inflation rate! The Fed was running a very tight ship, to stamp out high inflation.
With that kind of monetary policy, it wouldn't have mattered if Carter had been re-elected. The USA still would had a recession in 1981, and a soaring unemployment rate. Fed policy was what was driving employment and GDP growth, or rather lack thereof, not the Political Party the President belonged to.
During 1973 to 1981, energy prices were largely what drove inflation. And with respect to energy, Carter didn't exactly do a bang up job. Admittedly, he didn't do any worse than Nixon. But his excise tax on oil (the poorly named Windfall Profits Tax) and bizarre regulatory regime for natural gas were NOT what the doctor ordered. If he'd gone at it like Trump from the start of his term ("Drill Baby Drill") things would have been somewhat different.
As to your photos about the handoff from Biden to Trump and vice versa, yes, Trump has been set up for a fall. If he does the right thing, like Carter and Reagan did when they entrusted monetary policy to Volcker, the USA may indeed suffer through a recession. The federal debt and the deficit spending are out of control. Credit card defaults are at the highest level since 2010. Inflation's still higher than the Fed's target, and monetary policy is tight. Except for the credit card defaults, this argues for fiscal restraint. We should be reducing deficits. If instead Trump and the Republicans put the pedal to the metal, like the Democrats did in 2021 and 2022, and spend, spend, spend, then the good times will continue to roll.
At some point however the hangover will come. And better sooner than later. We don't want to end up like Greece, or worse.[/QUOTE]First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.
That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.
There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.
The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2972024]First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.
That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.
There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.
The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-woman-arrested-after-eating-cat-canton-police-release-bodycam-footage-incident/530-3f8ac79a-cd97-4cee-9ed1-16943a04a658[/URL]
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrant-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-setting-woman-fire-nyc-subway-car[/URL]#google_vignette.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/06/24/us-news/jocelyn-nungaray-murder-suspect-gets-10m-bond/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.wxyz.com/us-news/crime/venezuelan-man-found-guilty-in-murder-of-georgia-college-student-laken-riley[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/madison-wells-illegal-immigrant/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/person-interest-custody-woman-set-230600625.html[/URL]
I can link hundreds maybe even thousands of more murders.
Thanks to Scumbag Joe and voters like you!!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971714]I thought you lived in a crime-ridden, homeless enclave hellscape city run by Dems?
Is your penthouse high enough to be beyond shooting range?
Sounds like you love it.[/QUOTE]Although I do ask myself why I am I adopting the role of Snake Plissken when I venture into certain parts of the city?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972006]I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?[/QUOTE]Apologies if they're due. Perhaps you didn't view the video you appeared to be replying to. It was about Ramaswamy.
But then you may have problems with South Africans as well.
Yes, I am obsessed with race. I have a strong preference for Latinas and east Asians with store bought breasts.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2972024]First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.
That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.
There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.
The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.[/QUOTE]For the sake of argument let's say you and Elvis were married. You have a few kids. Every Saturday night you buy a keg and the kids party their asses off. Around 3:00 AM Elvis comes home and takes away the keg. Now, who's going to be the popular one? And who actually did the right thing?
BTW, in this parable Elvis is the husband and you're the wife. (The majority of men are Republicans and the majority of women are Democrats.)
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972076]For the sake of argument let's say you and Elvis were married. You have a few kids. Every Saturday night you buy a keg and the kids party their asses off. Around 3:00 AM Elvis comes home and takes away the keg. Now, who's going to be the popular one? And who actually did the right thing?
BTW, in this parable Elvis is the husband and you're the wife. (The majority of men are Republicans and the majority of women are Democrats.)[/QUOTE]My experience and research on it has been the Dems arrive when the drunken Repub party has left the house in a total shambles, dead, dying and unconscious bodies strewn on the lawn and in every room.
An ambulance, emergency room care and undertakers costs money. Invariably more than the booze and beer Repubs vomited all over themselves and each other.
But the Repubs just blew all the household money on beer and pizza and when that ran out they put it on a credit card.
The few Repub survivors can be counted on whining and crying about the Dems' use of that same credit card to pay the First Responders to save their lives and get them back on their feet.
I am not familiar with any Dem party that was thrown just for the hell of it, the consequences be damned that left the house in a total shambles, dead and dying bodies strewn everywhere.
But I can certainly cite every Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession and Historic Jobs Destruction by the millions over the past 100 years. Virtually ALL of them them due to a drunken Repub party thrown just for the hell of it and producing no positive results.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972073]Apologies if they're due. Perhaps you didn't view the video you appeared to be replying to. It was about Ramaswamy.
But then you may have problems with South Africans as well.
Yes, I am obsessed with race. I have a strong preference for Latinas and east Asians with store bought breasts.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you're white or not, but if so you sound like one of those guys that hate their own people.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972067][URL]https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-woman-arrested-after-eating-cat-canton-police-release-bodycam-footage-incident/530-3f8ac79a-cd97-4cee-9ed1-16943a04a658[/URL]
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrant-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-setting-woman-fire-nyc-subway-car[/URL]#google_vignette.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/06/24/us-news/jocelyn-nungaray-murder-suspect-gets-10m-bond/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.wxyz.com/us-news/crime/venezuelan-man-found-guilty-in-murder-of-georgia-college-student-laken-riley[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/madison-wells-illegal-immigrant/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/person-interest-custody-woman-set-230600625.html[/URL]
I can link hundreds maybe even thousands of more murders.
Thanks to Scumbag Joe and voters like you!![/QUOTE]I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.
[B]Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/birx-recalls-very-difficult-call-trump-says-hundreds-thousands-covid-n1262283[/URL]
[QUOTE]Dr. Deborah Birx, [b]the White House coronavirus response coordinator in the Trump administration[/b], described an "uncomfortable" call with President Donald Trump after an interview with CNN in August in which she discussed the threat posed by Covid-19.
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In a clip released earlier by CNN, Birx said [b]the Trump administration could have prevented hundreds of thousands of Covid-19 deaths[/b] had it acted more forcefully to mitigate the pandemic.
"I look at it this way: The first time we have an excuse. [B]There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge,"[/b] Birx said. [B]"All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."[/b][/QUOTE]A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.
At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.
Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972006]I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?[/QUOTE]Musk may be South African, but he's white. So are Joe Biden, Nick Gillespie, Mitt Romney, and Charles Koch. Why do you hate white people?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971995]I wasn't referencing Vivek I was referring to Elon.
Your idiotic anecdotes about Our Lord and Savior, may or may not be true, Time mag is a rag for the Oligarchy I wouldn't wipe my ass with.
Do you think they are above lying about him? Ala The Russian hoax etc etc etc etc etc.
But Our Lord and Savior has been Saved by the New Religion of the United States its called MAGA.
He wouldn't do those things again if he even ever did?
His Raison Detre isn't like Chas Kochs which is total slavery for all and Zero taxes for him, Hunger Games for everyone including Morbidly Obese Tina!! LMAO.[/QUOTE]Charles Koch individually paid $211 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018 according to the ProPublica leak. It's difficult to get a handle on taxes paid by Koch Industries, as it's a private company. But, as the New York Times says.
[B]Sorry, Harry Reid: Koch Industries Probably Pays a Lot of Corporate Tax[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/upshot/sorry-harry-reid-koch-industries-probably-pays-a-lot-of-corporate-tax.html[/URL]
The NYT journalist says.
"Through a freedom of information request, I obtained the original statements (essentially, prospectuses) for those bond issuances. They contain broad information about Koch Industries' financial condition, including the fact that it paid corporate income tax for the years 1990 through 1994. In fact, it paid at quite high effective rates, ranging from 34.1 percent to 38.3 percent. ".
Trump on the other hand is a tax dodger. I'm not saying he's a tax evader. But he's a world class tax avoider. According to NYT reporting, from 2002 to 2017, Trump only paid federal income tax in 5 of 15 years. A House committee released Trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020, and here's what he paid.
2015: Paid $641,931 in federal taxes.
2016: Paid $750.
2017: Paid $750.
2018: Paid $999,466.
2019: Paid $133,445.
2020: Claimed a refund of $5. 47 million.
Trump's businesses are pass throughs, so he doesn't bear any corporate income tax.
It wouldn't be surprising if you, a welfare penthouse owner, pay more income tax than Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire.
Yeah, the Koch Brothers would save with a flat tax. But they'd still pay much, much more to the Treasury than what they take back. A flat tax would also involve eliminating, to the extent possible, the loopholes that people like Trump use to take advantage of the system.
And as to slavery for all, employees rank Koch Industries above average on Glassdoor, while the Trump organization is average. Trump has a long, well verified history of cheating vendors and contractors, by paying them less than what they're owed and not paying for overtime and the like. That's not exactly slavery, but it's kind of like it, expecting them to work for free.
In summary, you're all wet in your criticisms of Charles Koch. But you'd be spot on if you directed them towards Donald Trump.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2972181]I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.
[B]Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/birx-recalls-very-difficult-call-trump-says-hundreds-thousands-covid-n1262283[/URL]
A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.
At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.
Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.[/QUOTE]Respectfully, this post is not rational. That's unless you believe Trump should have used the national guard, police and armed forces to enforce a quarantine on the country. And then, after his Administration's Operation Warp Speed helped get mRNA vaccines developed and approved in record time, he had forced Americans to get vaccinated. And Biden had continued Trump's "vaccine at gunpoint" policy after he took office.
A lot more Americans died from COVID during Biden's term than Trump's.
To be clear, the belief that the CDC or NIH could have magically prevented the world wide pandemic if not for budget cuts is not rational.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972262]Musk may be South African, but he's white. So are Joe Biden, Nick Gillespie, Mitt Romney, and Charles Koch. Why do you hate white people?
Charles Koch individually paid $211 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018 according to the ProPublica leak. It's difficult to get a handle on taxes paid by Koch Industries, as it's a private company. But, as the New York Times says.
[B]Sorry, Harry Reid: Koch Industries Probably Pays a Lot of Corporate Tax[/B]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/upshot/sorry-harry-reid-koch-industries-probably-pays-a-lot-of-corporate-tax.html[/URL]
The NYT journalist says.
"Through a freedom of information request, I obtained the original statements (essentially, prospectuses) for those bond issuances. They contain broad information about Koch Industries' financial condition, including the fact that it paid corporate income tax for the years 1990 through 1994. In fact, it paid at quite high effective rates, ranging from 34.1 percent to 38.3 percent. ".
Trump on the other hand is a tax dodger. I'm not saying he's a tax evader. But he's a world class tax avoider. According to NYT reporting, from 2002 to 2017, Trump only paid federal income tax in 5 of 15 years. A House committee released Trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020, and here's what he paid.
2015: Paid $641,931 in federal taxes.
2016: Paid $750.
2017: Paid $750.
2018: Paid $999,466.
2019: Paid $133,445.
2020: Claimed a refund of $5. 47 million.
Trump's businesses are pass throughs, so he doesn't bear any corporate income tax.
It wouldn't be surprising if you, a welfare penthouse owner, pay more income tax than Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire.
Yeah, the Koch Brothers would save with a flat tax. But they'd still pay much, much more to the Treasury than what they take back. A flat tax would also involve eliminating, to the extent possible, the loopholes that people like Trump use to take advantage of the system.
And as to slavery for all, employees rank Koch Industries above average on Glassdoor, while the Trump organization is average. Trump has a long, well verified history of cheating vendors and contractors, by paying them less than what they're owed and not paying for overtime and the like. That's not exactly slavery, but it's kind of like it, expecting them to work for free.
In summary, you're all wet in your criticisms of Charles Koch. But you'd be spot on if you directed them towards Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]Just not Chase The Gun Oliver voters that hate all white people that aren't Libertarian want to be Slave Owners like them.
I hate Joe Biden because his policies reflect those of someone who hates white people like you.
Generally speaking the DNC and the Never Trumper Libertarian Party both hate non trans heterosexual white Pro MAGA Americans.
You wrote Glassdoor rates Koch above avg I find that shocking, but that is in despite his best efforts, he owns large companies that are protected by Labor Laws he would love to abolish.
Not to mention I'm sure he hires as many Libertarians that he can that love working for him, I sat on a flight from NYC to LAX with some young douchebag, when he turned on his laptop the screensaver.
Read Koch Industries, I asked you work them, he says yes, I asked doing what, he replied Charles is my boss, it was not a pleasant flight lolol.
Say what you will about Trumps douchebag business practices, I've seen my share of douchebags in business its extremely common, bid rigging etc etc etc but it was never ideological with him like the worthless turd Chas Koch), I never liked Trump in my entire life, I remember his book Tour bullshit in the 80's.
Until June 16 2015 NYC The Man was ReBorn MAGA DJT.
Ala The Ascension of Christ, The World was gifted from the Cosmos with the Descension of the Born Again MAGA Donald J Trump.
The Savior of White Heterosexual Christianity in America and the rest of Western Civilization.
[URL]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/14/donald-trump-campaign-announcement-tower-escalator-oral-history-227148/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972266]Respectfully, this post is not rational. That's unless you believe Trump should have used the national guard, police and armed forces to enforce a quarantine on the country. And then, after his Administration's Operation Warp Speed helped get mRNA vaccines developed and approved in record time, he had forced Americans to get vaccinated. And Biden had continued Trump's "vaccine at gunpoint" policy after he took office.
A lot more Americans died from COVID during Biden's term than Trump's.
To be clear, the belief that the CDC or NIH could have magically prevented the world wide pandemic if not for budget cuts is not rational.[/QUOTE]I just want to make sure you are aware of what actually, truly, verifiably did happen in the real world in the past before you start parroting Trump's blatant lies and lame excuses about "nobody knew" this or that for his next colossal worldwide health and economic crisis:
[B]10 times Trump and his administration were warned about coronavirus.
April 12, 2020[/B]
[URL]https://www.axios.com/2020/04/12/trump-coronavirus-warnings[/URL]
[B]US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies.
The country began the pandemic with a degraded public health infrastructure, leading to more deaths than other high-income countries.
Feb. 11, 2021[/B]
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy[/URL]
[B]Lying again about the pandemic, Trump made 200 false claims from early June to early July.
July 18, 2020[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/politics/fact-check-trump-june-july-2020/index.html[/URL]
[B]All the Presidents Lies About the Coronavirus.
An unfinished compendium of Trumps overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency.
Nov. 2, 2020[/B]
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/[/URL]
[B]Bob Woodward Was Stunned By What Trump Told Young Son Barron About Coronavirus[/B]
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]"And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.[/QUOTE][B]Trump says hed disband the pandemic preparedness office - again.
May 3, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://thebulletin.org/2024/05/trump-says-hed-disband-the-pandemic-preparedness-office-again/[/URL]
[B]Trump transition team plans immediate WHO withdrawal, expert says.
Dec. 23, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-transition-team-plans-immediate-who-withdrawal-expert-says-2024-12-23/[/URL]
Uh. Did you ever consider there are ways a leader can avert worldwide pandemics and economic disaster other than at gun-point?
For starters, he can NOT defund and remove the very agency leadership specifically put in place to issue the earliest, most effective heads up despite all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
Next, he might decide not to, you know, lie about it from the start, mock and decide all known and proven mitigation measures.
Oh, maybe after that NOT lampoon and deny any need to invent a vaccine for it much less ever bother taking one.
Things like that.
Really. Those decisions can be made and applied long, long before he calls out the military and demands everyone get vaccinated at gun-point. Leaders in other countries with far lower per capita death rates from Trump's Pandemic managed to figure out how to do it.
I know that does not seem "rational" to you and other Trumpsters. But it really did happen that way in other countries without a president named Trump.
Even after his pre 2020 decisions ushered in Trump's Pandemic, he could have then humbly asked Americans to do their best to prevent an out-of-control spread of it until Obama's 10 years earlier Rapid Vaccine Development program did its job.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972266]Respectfully, this post is not rational. [/QUOTE]Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972284][b]Obese not Tiny Tina I clearly love most white people[/b]
Just not Chase The Gun Oliver voters that hate all white people that aren't Libertarian want to be Slave Owners like them.
I hate Joe Biden because his policies reflect those of someone who hates white people like you.
Generally speaking the DNC and the Never Trumper Libertarian Party both hate non trans heterosexual white Pro MAGA Americans.[/QUOTE]
Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972284]Until June 16 2015 NYC The Man was ReBorn MAGA DJT.
Ala The Ascension of Christ, The World was gifted from the Cosmos with the Descension of the Born Again MAGA Donald J Trump.
The Savior of White Heterosexual Christianity in America and the rest of Western Civilization.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972312]Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:
Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,[/QUOTE]Chas Koch is worth 66 bn he isn't paying enough taxes nor is this turd.
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-richest-man-elon-musk-200304001.html[/URL]
He didn't earn 213 BILLION this year, he's not paying the proper amount of taxes or wages.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/30/research-h1b-visa-workers-vastly-underpaid-compared-americans/[/URL]
Nor is Bozo or Zuckerturd Or that POS Gaggot Bill Gates.
And the only reason you won't admit that they cheated in 2020 because you approved of it.
He ran in 2016 2020 and 2024 and won every time.
How many times did you vote for him.
You are like ET the cheaters could come out and confess on live TV and you would still say he wasn't cheated.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972312]Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:
Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,[/QUOTE][B]epidemic[/B]
[URL]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/epidemic[/URL]
[QUOTE]the appearance of a particular disease in a large number of people at the same time:
a flu epidemic[/QUOTE][B]pandemic[/B]
[URL]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pandemic[/URL]
[QUOTE](of a disease) existing in almost all of an area or in almost all of a group of people, animals, or plants:
A report on pandemic flu released last year said "the potential for catastrophe is immense."[/QUOTE]Uh. The "pandemic" didn't start in China. China only experienced an initial spread of the virus in a way one could, at most, characterize as an "epidemic". And one that could have been confined to that one region of China. Systems were set up and agents stationed in those Chinese labs to do that very thing whenever necessary.
The worldwide "pandemic" started AFTER and FROM the "epidemic" virus in that particular region of China because those earliest cases were not reported to responsible parties for critical weeks and, during that time, it was allowed to move freely and spread via all modes of transportation to all parts of the world, at which point it was no longer possible to "control" it in the traditional sense. Only to mitigate and vaccinate against it.
The proven preferred method for the latter would be essentially the Polar opposite of what Trump did for the entire critical year 2020.
In addition to which and most important of all, the reason there were no responsible parties to issue those earliest warnings "two months sooner" so we could prevent and "avoid all the trouble easily" and, in an effort to Prevent a Pandemic from developing, swing into action to do everything possible to CONFINE it to a mere "epidemic" in a particular region of China can be found in any number of verified, truthful and real world reports that I have been posting here for quite some time.
In short: Trump allowed it to start and ushered in Trump's Pandemic. He "started" it with his worst economic and national security decisions of all time. Not China. And then he exacerbated it, made his colossal blunder even worse by spending virtually all of critical year 2020 lying about it, mocking and deriding the known mitigation measures, even further defunding the agencies depended upon to Respond to and Mitigate damage done by his Pandemic as well as discouraging THE WORLD from bothering to invent a vaccine for it, much less take it.
All of which he did, BTW, contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
Now, I realize MAGAs, Trumpsters, Repubs, supposed "conservatives" and so on don't see any "rational" reason to have done the Polar opposite of virtually everything Trump did prior to, during and after he started Trump's Pandemic and for All the world appears to be hell-bent to do all over again.
But unless someone points out these blatantly obvious unrivaled contributions he made to creating Trump's Pandemic when one did not have to be created and could have been averted so "easily", well, then I suppose we are doomed to repeat all of Trump's Disasters over and over and over again until it finally becomes an unavoidably "rational" idea in everyone's head to vote for people and Parties that would never have done something as dangerous and stupid as what Trump did and has become an expert at doing.
[URL]https://youtu.be/T2z8App14bs?si=s3RvOtXf6N9zv41y[/URL]
Watch this. The tax code is the tax code. Anybody has the right to use the provisions of the tax code to pay the least amount of tax possible. [B]That is the law of the land[/B]. There is NOTHING wrong with doing that.
Chaos is welcoming crazy Trump who is also prosecuted to pay big millions, as a sexual criminal, Putin holding his balls in hand. Great USA led by him. Maybe he should start to improve Boeing and from his friend Tesla.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2972582]Chaos is welcoming crazy Trump who is also prosecuted to pay big millions, as a sexual criminal, Putin holding his balls in hand. Great USA led by him. Maybe he should start to improve Boeing and from his friend Tesla.[/QUOTE]Such symbols: a Texan killer and a Tesla exploding in front of Trump hotel, both cars rent on same rental, chaos for Trump, even before entering White House. USA may receive from who they elected. From me, just not buying low quality products.
It's really too bad the rest of the country has to suffer the same outcome the suckers who voted for Trump and any other Congressional Repubs, a nothing Third Party candidate or stayed home and did not vote at all will have to suffer as the result.
Otherwise, this kind of Repub Numbskull Comedy would be so so so much more fun!
Given the choice between his tech bro billionaire donors and the sucker, loser MAGAs he and they have been conning all this time, Trump's preference is blissfully easy:
[B]Trump sides with tech bosses in Maga fight over immigrant visas[/B]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyv7gxp02yo[/URL]
[QUOTE]"Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence," Ramaswamy wrote in a long X post that argued that foreign workers improve the US economy.
"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian the top student in a class, will not produce the best engineers," he wrote.
.............
Musk then shot back at "contemptible fools", saying he was referring to "those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists".
"They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed," he wrote.[/QUOTE]Yep. Assistant to Presidents-elect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon is four square in agreement with the Tech Bro Billionaire Donors portion of his bosses about those MAGAs who were dumb enough to fall for their con about "immigrants taking your jobs" and that anyone on Team Trump had the least interest in putting "America First" in the racist way they had hoped.
Oh well. Lolololol.
Gee. Nobody knew! Lololol.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2972395][URL]https://youtu.be/T2z8App14bs?si=s3RvOtXf6N9zv41y[/URL]
Watch this. The tax code is the tax code. Anybody has the right to use the provisions of the tax code to pay the least amount of tax possible. [B]That is the law of the land[/B]. There is NOTHING wrong with doing that.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there. She and Chuck Schumer were big defenders of carried interest, which greatly benefits New York fund managers. She only came around when she ran for president. And Schumer, while saying he wants to end carried interest, works behind the scenes to preserve it.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.
Now that didn't really matter for Trump, because he has indeed been able to take advantage of loopholes like the $960 million carried forward tax loss that Anderson Cooper mentions at the start of the segment, that I explained below. However, Trump realizes a flatter tax with fewer loopholes is best for all. Which leads into the Marquesa's post.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972345]Chas Koch is worth 66 bn he isn't paying enough taxes nor is this turd.
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-richest-man-elon-musk-200304001.html[/URL]
He didn't earn 213 BILLION this year, he's not paying the proper amount of taxes or wages.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/30/research-h1b-visa-workers-vastly-underpaid-compared-americans/[/URL]
Nor is Bozo or Zuckerturd Or that POS Gaggot Bill Gates.
And the only reason you won't admit that they cheated in 2020 because you approved of it.
He ran in 2016 2020 and 2024 and won every time.
How many times did you vote for him.
You are like ET the cheaters could come out and confess on live TV and you would still say he wasn't cheated.[/QUOTE]SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve.
Bernie's tax plan, the brainchild of French socialists at the University of California at Berkeley, would jack the maximum individual federal rate up to 60+%. Capital gains would be taxed at 60%, even though the revenue-maximizing tax rate for capital gains is about 28%. In addition Sanders would impose an 8% PER YEAR wealth tax on multi billionaires. Please note that after 12 years, if not for reverse compound interest, Bernie would take away everything they own. If by chance they do end up with anything, their estates would pay a 65% death tax.
Yeah, if you want to kneecap people like Zuckerberg, Gates and Koch, and deprive the USA of world beating corporations like Microsoft, Facebook and Koch Industries, the Sanders / Marquesa tax plan is a great way to do it. It would certainly give China a great opportunity to provide the world beaters going forward instead of the USA. And put the USA in the position of France under Hollande. The Marquesa and Sanders, with their plans to tax away the capital of the billionaire entrepreneur class, would put the USA in the position of France under Hollande -- on the road to mediocrity. And that's downright Unamerican.
Now while Charles Koch individually "only" paid $213 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018, his company, Koch Industries, paid a lot more on his behalf. Koch's 42% share of the company would probably amount to over $1 billion a year in corporate tax, based on the company's $125 billion per year revenues.
The reason Koch doesn't pay a lot individually is because Koch Industries doesn't pay much in the way of dividends. Instead it reinvests most of its free cash flow in growth. That provides more jobs in America, more goods for consumption by American consumers, and, in the long run, more money for the USA Treasury. The money goes to better use than if it were sent to the federal government to squander.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2972821]"Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence," Ramaswamy wrote in a long X post that argued that foreign workers improve the US economy.
"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian the top student in a class, will not produce the best engineers," he wrote.
.............
Musk then shot back at "contemptible fools", saying he was referring to "those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists".
"They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed," he wrote.[/QUOTE]Ramaswamy is right. Or at least Americans should encourage their kids to develop the skills in math and other areas that will enable some to become top notch engineers and scientists. Musk's correct to the extent that the Republican Party should not brook politicians who are hateful, unrepentant racists, although there aren't many of those around in percentage terms.
There many positions of Republicans that you'd agree with if they'd been proposed by Democrats.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972973]I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there. She and Chuck Schumer were big defenders of carried interest, which greatly benefits New York fund managers. She only came around when she ran for president. And Schumer, while saying he wants to end carried interest, works behind the scenes to preserve it.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.
Now that didn't really matter for Trump, because he has indeed been able to take advantage of loopholes like the $960 million carried forward tax loss that Anderson Cooper mentions at the start of the segment, that I explained below. However, Trump realizes a flatter tax with fewer loopholes is best for all. Which leads into the Marquesa's post.
SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve.
Bernie's tax plan, the brainchild of French socialists at the University of California at Berkeley, would jack the maximum individual federal rate up to 60+%. Capital gains would be taxed at 60%, even though the revenue-maximizing tax rate for capital gains is about 28%. In addition Sanders would impose an 8% PER YEAR wealth tax on multi billionaires. Please note that after 12 years, if not for reverse compound interest, Bernie would take away everything they own. If by chance they do end up with anything, their estates would pay a 65% death tax..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/01/02/sen-bernie-sanders-elon-musk-is-wrong-on-h-1b-middle-class-outsourcing/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/30/elon-calms-down-musk-calls-for-major-reform-of-broken-h-1b-visa-system-despite-fiery-defense/[/URL]
Why won't the Oligarchy let Bernie near the nomination.
The same reason they Impeached Trump 2 x 93 felonies 2 attempted murders and he still is BACK.
[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-won-iowa-caucus-democratic-party[/URL]
[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-democratic-presidential-primary[/URL]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/2/6/21126709/bernie-sanders-declares-victory-iowa-caucuses[/URL]
I'm guessing he may have beaten Trump honestly in 2020.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2972711]Such symbols: a Texan killer and a Tesla exploding in front of Trump hotel, both cars rent on same rental, chaos for Trump, even before entering White House. USA may receive from who they elected. From me, just not buying low quality products.[/QUOTE]Chaos for the Socialist Hollande: one hundred and thirty Parisians killed and another 416 people injured, by French and Belgian citizens.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks#text=The%20 president%20 of%20 France%2 C%20 Fran%C3%A7 ois, and%20 had%20 fought%20 in%20 Syria[/URL].
French automobiles are pieces of crap. I owned a Peugeot once upon a time. My mechanic became my best friend.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2972980][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/01/02/sen-bernie-sanders-elon-musk-is-wrong-on-h-1b-middle-class-outsourcing/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/30/elon-calms-down-musk-calls-for-major-reform-of-broken-h-1b-visa-system-despite-fiery-defense/[/URL]
Why won't the Oligarchy let Bernie near the nomination.
The same reason they Impeached Trump 2 x 93 felonies 2 attempted murders and he still is BACK.
[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-won-iowa-caucus-democratic-party[/URL]
[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-democratic-presidential-primary[/URL]
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/2/6/21126709/bernie-sanders-declares-victory-iowa-caucuses[/URL]
I'm guessing he may have beaten Trump honestly in 2020.[/QUOTE]The Jacobin, hahahaha! That socialist rag's a mouthpiece for Venezuela and Cuba. Have you been to either one of those countries Marquesa? I have. You wouldn't want to live there. I'd vote for Tooms for president before I'd vote for you. You're welcome Tooms.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973015]
French automobiles are pieces of crap. I owned a Peugeot once upon a time. My mechanic became my best friend.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972975]Ramaswamy is right. Or at least Americans should encourage their kids to develop the skills in math and other areas that will enable some to become top notch engineers and scientists. Musk's correct to the extent that the Republican Party should not brook politicians who are hateful, unrepentant racists, although there aren't many of those around in percentage terms.
There many positions of Republicans that you'd agree with if they'd been proposed by Democrats.[/QUOTE]I always vote for Dems and never for Repubs precisely because I much prefer the results of the Dems' Get Government Off Your Back, Cut Taxes, Create Jobs, Make America Great Again "positions" over the Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, Repubs Crawling Into Your Bed and Your Life results of those same pitched but never accomplished "positions".
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973019][b]EihTooms for President[/b]
The Jacobin, hahahaha! That socialist rag's a mouthpiece for Venezuela and Cuba. Have you been to either one of those countries Marquesa? I have. You wouldn't want to live there. I'd vote for Tooms for president before I'd vote for you. You're welcome Tooms.[/QUOTE]You would vote for me only because you know I have as little chance of winning (since I would not be running) as Chase Oliver but that wasted vote for him / me would help Trump or any other Repub win.
Just as the votes for Oliver rather than for Harris in PA, MI and WI constituted roughly half the number of votes she needed to swing her way to defeat Trump. The remaining "winning" votes for Trump rather than Harris in those three decisive states could then easily have been generated by Bill Maher's weekly televised anti-Dem, pro Trump / Repub Campaign Rally over the previous four years.
That is, if the highly motivated and mobilized angry Muslim Community demo single-issue votes for Trump having nothing to do with the economy, inflation, immigration, trannies, pronouns or crime hadn't sailed into those polling places as the surprise Joker in the deck to save the day for Trump in those three decisive states. Which did all the lifting in the country to "give the presidency to Trump" without relying on those Chase Oliver and Bill Maher Weekly Trump / Repub Campaign Rally votes.
If you thought for 1 second a vote for me or MDS might have inadvertantly helped Harris or any other Dem get elected over Trump or any other Repub there is no way you would have done it.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2972024]First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"![/QUOTE]
To your point, the author, Bill Adair, wrote the book, [i]"Beyond the Big Lie - The Epidemic of Political Lying, Why Republicans do it more, and how it could burn down our democracy",[/i] was just lamenting the fact that with the death of former President Carter, also marks the death of a bygone era of honesty, decency and telling the truth.
[LIST][i]"Lying matters because it cripples our discourse. With such an imbalance of falsehoods, our political parties and elected officials are unable to have adult conversations about the critical issues of our time. Then can't agree on facts because one side denies the truth."[/i][/LIST]
[b]'Beyond the Big Lie' explores why Republicans lie more and the consequences lying has [/b]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5A--SEelY0[/url]
Trump and MAGA are the poster child, for the rise and erosion of truth and value it plays in politics and holding our leaders accountable. (*ie. "The Big Lie"). This is something the U.S. President Jimmy Carter understood and held dear, that truth and that honesty matters.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973019]The Jacobin, hahahaha! That socialist rag's a mouthpiece for Venezuela and Cuba. Have you been to either one of those countries Marquesa? I have. You wouldn't want to live there. I'd vote for Tooms for president before I'd vote for you. You're welcome Tooms.[/QUOTE]The horseshoe club at its worst!!
I represent the likes of the sane moderates the sane middle class the SANE MAJORITY voters that Voted for DJT in 2016 2020 and 2024.
I would love to put Bernie up against Chase "The Gun" anyday in a general election!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972975]Ramaswamy is right. Or at least Americans should encourage their kids to develop the skills in math and other areas that will enable some to become top notch engineers and scientists. Musk's correct to the extent that the Republican Party should not brook politicians who are hateful, unrepentant racists, although there aren't many of those around in percentage terms.
There many positions of Republicans that you'd agree with if they'd been proposed by Democrats.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/04/teamsters-president-h-1b-visa-program-displaces-american-workers-allows-billionaires-exploit-foreign-workers/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/03/opinion/musk-h1b-visas.html[/URL]
Musk's Misinformation About Tech Visas.
Jan. 3, 2025.
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Elon Musk and the other tech moguls fluttering around Donald Trump claim that Silicon Valley needs more H-1 B visas to bring in foreign workers because there aren't enough Americans studying science and tech. American innovation requires "critical people" from abroad like Musk himself, they say, because Americans just don't want to learn that stuff.
There's some truth to that. But what they don't tell you is that for more than a decade, Americans working in the tech industry have been systematically laid off and replaced by cheaper H-1 B visa holders.
I discovered this in 2013 when I reported an investigative project for The Boston Globe about widespread fraud in and abuse of the H-1 B visa program. At the time, three companies got the largest number of visas in the H-1 B lottery: Infosys, Tata and Cognizant. All three used a business model that cut costs by bringing over temporary workers from India and leasing them out to American firms like indentured servants. Prominent companies were jettisoning their locally hired I. T. Departments and outsourcing those jobs.
Not much has changed. Today, those three companies are still among the top five recipients of the visas. When Americans realize they can't make a living as software engineers, they leave the industry. The H-1 B program worsens the very shortages it was supposed to address.
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Most H-1 B visa holders are lower-paid labor, not top talent. In May, Musk laid off more than 14,000 Tesla workers, including many H-1 B visa holders. Reddit threads filled with laments by workers who had moved to the United States from India only to be let go with no warning. They were desperate to remain in the country, but because H-1 B visas are owned by the employer, they had few options for doing so.
That's why these workers stay compliant and cheap: They can't leave the companies that control the visas. If they were really top talent, they should be getting green cards, not enduring six years of underpaid servitude.
Such mass layoffs in the tech industry should make us question the premise that more H-1 B visas are needed.
"How do they get away with mass layoffs then claim shortages?" Ron Hira, a Howard University professor who has written about this issue for two decades, asked me.
Confronted on X with evidence of relatively low pay for H-1 B positions, Musk admitted what many of us already knew: The "program is broken and needs major reform. ".
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Does that mean he's going to push for it to be fixed by raising the wages for temporary workers and making it based more on unique skills than on a lottery? Don't hold your breath.
Farah Stockman joined the Times editorial board in 2020. For four.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972973]I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there.[/QUOTE]I respect him for that.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972973]Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.[/QUOTE]I do not consider myself informed in corporate tax law so I will take your word for it my man. I have mad respect for you. You are one of the few people posting in this thread that understands Crypto.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972973]SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve.[/QUOTE]I have a [B]One dick[/B] policy. The only dick I worry about in my life is my own. I apply the same principles to tax policy. The only part of the tax code I concern myself with is the part that affects me.
[B]I want to live in Penthouse too[/B] I am just too cheap to pay for it. LOL! Even at 200,000 USD+ 40th floor on up with direct ocean views, on a relative scale they are inexpensive here in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2973032]I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.[/QUOTE]I switched to Japanese vehicles as well. As to Sirioja's preference for buying European, I think the Germans make good cars, although I've ever owned one. I can attest that you need to be a masochist to own a French or Italian vehicle.
I wonder if the Marquesa believes we're evil for owning Japanese vehicles.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973049]You would vote for me only because you know I have as little chance of winning (since I would not be running) as Chase Oliver but that wasted vote for him / me would help Trump or any other Repub win.
Just as the votes for Oliver rather than for Harris in PA, MI and WI constituted roughly half the number of votes she needed to swing her way to defeat Trump. The remaining "winning" votes for Trump rather than Harris in those three decisive states could then easily have been generated by Bill Maher's weekly televised anti-Dem, pro Trump / Repub Campaign Rally over the previous four years.
That is, if the highly motivated and mobilized angry Muslim Community demo single-issue votes for Trump having nothing to do with the economy, inflation, immigration, trannies, pronouns or crime hadn't sailed into those polling places as the surprise Joker in the deck to save the day for Trump in those three decisive states. Which did all the lifting in the country to "give the presidency to Trump" without relying on those Chase Oliver and Bill Maher Weekly Trump / Repub Campaign Rally votes.
If you thought for 1 second a vote for me or MDS might have inadvertantly helped Harris or any other Dem get elected over Trump or any other Repub there is no way you would have done it.[/QUOTE]You're a smart guy but somewhat weak in math. If I wanted to help Trump or any other Republican win, I'd vote for the Republican. As long as the Republicans control the House and / or Senate, I honestly didn't care who won the presidential election. I'd go for Trump on policy, although I really don't like his tariffs. He's less likely to get us into a war than Harris, and his emphasis on deregulation is a big plus. Both of them were set to run big budget deficits, although maybe the Musk / Ramaswamy team will alleviate that somewhat. I can't however vote for someone who tried to steal an election.
Anyway, if there were only two choices, I'd definitely vote for you over Sanders, the Marquesa, Warren, Harris or Biden. I'd probably vote for you over Obama. I don't have to make that choice though. There are always Republicans, Libertarians, or the occasional sane Democrat like Bill Clinton who I can vote for instead. That's not to say you're not sane. You probably are, you're just extremely partisan and unduly influenced by the media.
Germans make cars for drivers. Japanese makes cars for those who just need to get from here to there. I have even owned great cars made in the USA.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973198]I switched to Japanese vehicles as well. As to Sirioja's preference for buying European, I think the Germans make good cars, although I've ever owned one. I can attest that you need to be a masochist to own a French or Italian vehicle.
[b]I wonder if the Marquesa believes we're evil for owning Japanese vehicles.[/b][/QUOTE]If MarQ has as anything to say about it tell him to check this link:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_manufactured_in_the_United_States[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973201]You're a smart guy but somewhat weak in math. If I wanted to help Trump or any other Republican win, I'd vote for the Republican. As long as the Republicans control the House and / or Senate, I honestly didn't care who won the presidential election. I'd go for Trump on policy, although I really don't like his tariffs. He's less likely to get us into a war than Harris, and his emphasis on deregulation is a big plus. Both of them were set to run big budget deficits, although maybe the Musk / Ramaswamy team will alleviate that somewhat. I can't however vote for someone who tried to steal an election.
Anyway, if there were only two choices, I'd definitely vote for you over Sanders, the Marquesa, Warren, Harris.[/QUOTE]See graphs below:
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2973032]I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.[/QUOTE]But they are comparable to most cars around the world, other than maybe some of the better German designed ones.
But any American that would willfully buy a car from the enemy rather than An American company needs to move out of the USA.
I am pro Buy American Pro American worker Pro Union.
If someone was dirt poor and chose to buy a Yugo Hyundai or Kia out of desperation I might give them a pass, an employee bought a Mitsubishi several years back and I didn't give them too much shit (just a little) because I drove past the plant that made it 100 miles outside Chicago 1000 x there are some American car makers that buy many parts from the CCP and have them assembled in Mexico etc.
Hopefully Our Lord and Savior will change that.
But anyone that deliberately buys foreign products over American is a traitor and should be shot for treason.
You know the guy that only buys Asian cars only buys Asian phones only uses Asian airlines etc.
He hates America but insists on living here, albeit California.
If someone is poor and must shop at Walmart or Amazon for their cheap plastic garbage from the CCP I understand and.
I'm hoping Our Lord and Savior ends that as well.
The Tariff God returns Jan 20 2025.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2972973]I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there. She and Chuck Schumer were big defenders of carried interest, which greatly benefits New York fund managers. She only came around when she ran for president. And Schumer, while saying he wants to end carried interest, works behind the scenes to preserve it.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.
Now that didn't really matter for Trump, because he has indeed been able to take advantage of loopholes like the $960 million carried forward tax loss that Anderson Cooper mentions at the start of the segment, that I explained below. However, Trump realizes a flatter tax with fewer loopholes is best for all. Which leads into the Marquesa's post.
SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve..[/QUOTE]If someone is a tax cheat they are a thief and steal from the rest of us, everyone should pay what they owe and if you are so greedy you want more just make some more.
Koch paid so little in taxes, he probably rather pay 1000 tax attys to cheat his way so low.
I have no idea what happened in transition with my previous [B]Which Trump policies, etc[/B] submission. The only thing that made it to post was my Subject title, "See graphs below:" and the screenshot of the 3 graphs. Very strange. Internet gremlins perhaps.
Luckily, I still had the original on hand to re-sibmit and here it is:
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973201]You're a smart guy but somewhat weak in math. If I wanted to help Trump or any other Republican win, I'd vote for the Republican. As long as the Republicans control the House and / or Senate, I honestly didn't care who won the presidential election. I'd go for Trump on policy, although I really don't like his tariffs. He's less likely to get us into a war than Harris, and his emphasis on deregulation is a big plus. Both of them were set to run big budget deficits, although maybe the Musk / Ramaswamy team will alleviate that somewhat. I can't however vote for someone who tried to steal an election.
Anyway, if there were only two choices, I'd definitely vote for you over Sanders, the Marquesa, Warren, Harris or Biden. I'd probably vote for you over Obama. I don't have to make that choice though. There are always Republicans, Libertarians, or the occasional sane Democrat like Bill Clinton who I can vote for instead. That's not to say you're not sane. You probably are, you're just extremely partisan and unduly influenced by the media.[/QUOTE]Do you not care who wins the presidency because when your preferred Repub wins and his policies you claim to prefer go utterly tits up into another Great Depression, Great Recession and / or Massive Jobs Destruction you can then claim, "Hey, I didn't vote for him"! Thanks to your having announced you're voting for Oliver or me? LOL.
Well, a whole bunch of other people think the person who runs on a set of economic policy plans and goals, promotes those plans after getting elected and more often than not gets a sizable percentage of those plans enacted by Congress even when the majority in one or both Houses of Congress are the other Party matters quite a bit to what kind of economic results are produced by those policies and plans he ran on, proposed and mostly got passed.
Not all of them can be somewhat weak on math. Or logic. Or easily observable reality. Or historical data and facts.
So on wars, did you like that Peace-lover Trump was happy to keep the USA Military embroiled in a combat War in Afghanistan for every day of his so-called presidency and, as if that wasn't enough USA War for his liking, he "peacefully" led a recruited mob of violent Insurrectionists into battle against America On American Soil before the screen door smacked him in the ass on the way out?
I mean, as opposed to the previous and current "warmongering" Dem presidents taking all of the heat and responsibility for pulling us out of a Repub-initiated War in the Middle East on their watch and the current one keeping us out of any combat War anywhere on the planet since his first year in office?
And on Trump's economic policy plans, I assume your income level falls within the top 1% or possibly, the top 5% percentile of incomes, the only groups who will not pay more to the government if Trump's, not ChristiFascist Mike's nor John Thune's, policies and plans are enacted?
[B]A Distributional Analysis of Donald Trumps Tax Plan.
Oct. 7, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan-2024/[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]Impact Of Donald Trumps Tax Proposals by Income Group[/b]
Former President Donald Trump has proposed a wide variety of tax policy changes. [B]Taken together, these proposals would, on average, lead to a tax cut for the richest 5 percent of Americans and a tax increase for all other income groups.[/b]
If these proposals were in effect in 2026, the richest 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of about $36,300 and the next richest 4 percent would receive an average tax cut of about $7,200. All other groups would see a tax increase with the hike on the middle 20 percent at about $1,500 and the increase on the lowest-income 20 percent of Americans at about $800.[/QUOTE]See graphs below:
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2973240]My taxes aren't that complicated I never used loopholes. If someone is a tax cheat they are a thief and steal from the rest of us, everyone should pay what they owe and if you are so greedy you want more just make some more.[/QUOTE]And yet you're madly in love with the man who not only cheats on his taxes, but openly brags about it at every turn.
It was nice to hear the incoming Repub Senate Leader, John Thune, finally say something truthful and accurate. Sort of. It happened in his Meet The Press interview this past Sunday morning:
[B]Meet the Press January 5, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-5-2025-n1311312[/URL]
[QUOTE]SEN. JOHN THUNE:
Well, I mean, I think that you start with extending existing tax policy. And thats current that is current policy. You know, some people, depending on which scorekeepers you use, will say, "Well, yes, this is going to contribute to deficits down the road." But the fact of the matter is this is the law today, and what you're doing is essentially extending that --
KRISTEN WELKER:
So it would all be paid for by offsets?
SEN. JOHN THUNE:
Well, not perhaps all of it. But what I'm telling you is a combination of growth, a combination of offsets, and an expectation, I think, that if you want to avoid a $4 trillion tax increase, you're going to have to take some steps to extend the current tax policy. When you do that, I think you get outcomes that are good for the economy. [B]And when the economy is growing, expanding, and creating better-paying jobs, people are making money, they're taking realizations, they're paying taxes. Tax revenues go up. And that was demonstrated and proven in 2017[/b] with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.[/QUOTE]Yeah, he was doing so well right up to and including the part where he says, "that was demonstrated and proven in 2017". After those words he totally fucked up and went back to a favorite Repub lie.
2017 was still an Obama-Biden year since Trump did not even sign and pass his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation, the godawful Trillions added to the deficit with nothing to show for it except a million fewer jobs created with it than without it, Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, until the last business day of 2017.
But, yes, as long as Trump had not passed a single Repub economic legislation and was just playing golf, trying to come up with insulting nicknames for his critics and coasting on the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden, the American Worker and tax revenues were doing fine.
Well, a sort of and partial truthful thing is still great to hear coming out of any elected Repub's mouth these days.
BTW, neither Welker nor any of the other pundits on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program bothered to point out that Thune had perhaps inadvertantly but certainly accurately praised the Obama-Biden economy Trump inherited having absolutely zero to do with anything Trump or, frankly, any other Repub had done.
I mean, hell, that was one third of the entire mythical "best economy ever" Trump years pre Trump's Pandemic that Thune just praised when it had nothing to do with anything Trump did or policy Repubs proposed, fought for and passed!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2973463]And yet you're madly in love with the man who not only cheats on his taxes, but openly brags about it at every turn.[/QUOTE]He does not cheat on his taxes. Quote the ruling where that was established. He uses the tax law as it is written to pay the minimum amount of taxes under the law.
Can you show me a criminal conviction under the law?
This guy cheated on his taxes:
[URL]https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-man-gets-2-years-in-prison-for-cryptocurrency-tax-fraud-a-doj-first/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2973463]And yet you're madly in love with the man who not only cheats on his taxes, but openly brags about it at every turn.[/QUOTE]Trump is perfect image for USA: stupid, sexual criminal, liar and crazy dangerous. Making USA image great again.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2973208]Germans make cars for drivers. Japanese makes cars for those who just need to get from here to there. I have even owned great cars made in the USA.
If MarQ has as anything to say about it tell him to check this link:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_manufactured_in_the_United_States[/URL][/QUOTE]
Interesting SubCmdr. Yes, a lot of those "foreign" cars are made right here in the USA. Your link is timely, given that the Biden administration is blocking Nippon Steel's proposed takeover of U.S. Steel, and Trump has indicated he'd do the same. This is a bad decision that will hurt U.S. consumers and exporters, and probably U.S. steelworkers. The only winners will be the crony capitalists at Cleveland Cliffs, a U.S. Steel competitor. Here are excerpts from a WSJ editorial,
The economics of the deal make overwhelming sense for both U.S. Steel and its workers. The Japanese company promised $2.7 billion in fresh capital to modernize U.S. Steels aging plants and honor collective-bargaining agreements. It offered workers $5,000 bonuses, made job guarantees, and agreed to let Cfius block reductions in production capacity at U.S. Steel plants, among other political sweeteners.
None satisfied United Steelworkers boss David McCall, who favors a tie-up with Cleveland-Cliffs, which was outbid by Nippon Steel in 2023. Cleveland-Cliffs CEO Lourenco Goncalves lobbied the White House to block the Nippon deal because he wants to create a steel-making cartel shielded from foreign competition by tariffs and Buy America rules.
A Cleveland-Cliffs-U.S. Steel combo would control 100% of U.S. blast furnace production, 100% of domestic steel used in electric-vehicle motors, and 65% to 90% of other domestic steel used in vehicles. But Cleveland-Cliffscurrently valued at $4.7 billion with $3.8 billion in debtwill struggle to find the money even to buy U.S. Steel, much less to invest enough to revitalize its factories.
U.S. Steels stock fell 7% on Friday and is down 38% since the Nippon Steel deal was announced. Investors worry that U.S. Steel might be sold off piecemeal in a bankruptcy. U.S. Steel executives have warned that plants could be closed if the Nippon deal collapses. How would this benefit workers?
Cleveland-Cliffs might still have its monopoly if U.S. Steel fails, though U.S. manufacturers that use steel will face higher costs and become less competitive. The cost of U.S.-made EVs will increase, which is why U.S. car makers favored the Nippon Steel bid.
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/opinion/biden-blocks-nippon-u-s-steel-deal-cfius-united-steelworkers-cleveland-cliffs-japan-fa301474[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973526]It was nice to hear the incoming Repub Senate Leader, John Thune, finally say something truthful and accurate. Sort of. It happened in his Meet The Press interview this past Sunday morning:
[B]Meet the Press January 5, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-5-2025-n1311312[/URL]
Yeah, he was doing so well right up to and including the part where he says, "that was demonstrated and proven in 2017". After those words he totally fucked up and went back to a favorite Repub lie.
2017 was still an Obama-Biden year since Trump did not even sign and pass his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation, the godawful Trillions added to the deficit with nothing to show for it except a million fewer jobs created with it than without it, Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, until the last business day of 2017.
But, yes, as long as Trump had not passed a single Repub economic legislation and was just playing golf, trying to come up with insulting nicknames for his critics and coasting on the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden, the American Worker and tax revenues were doing fine.
Well, a sort of and partial truthful thing is still great to hear coming out of any elected Repub's mouth these days.
BTW, neither Welker nor any of the other pundits on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program bothered to point out that Thune had perhaps inadvertantly but certainly accurately praised the Obama-Biden economy Trump inherited having absolutely zero to do with anything Trump or, frankly, any other Repub had done.
I mean, hell, that was one third of the entire mythical "best economy ever" Trump years pre Trump's Pandemic that Thune just praised when it had nothing to do with anything Trump did or policy Repubs proposed, fought for and passed![/QUOTE]You're twisting Thune's words. Certainly the effects of the TCJA weren't realized in 2017. The bill didn't even take effect until 2018. In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts! That's primarily because of higher social security and Medicare contributions from people hired by corporations, as documented in the NBER paper I've linked to several times here. The USA during the Biden administration has benefited more from the corporate tax cuts than it did during Trump's time in office. And even Harris and Biden didn't want to take the federal rate back to where it was before the TCJA.
I'll get back to you on your other post when I have more time. I don't agree with all the parts of the TCJA, nor with Trump's proposed tariffs. Your link however is another classic example of Simpson's paradox -- when you add all the data together instead of segmenting it, in this case by specific changes in the tax code, you come up with a very distorted view of reality. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to eliminate the SALT cap, which would represent most of the tax savings realized by higher earners in the fictitious analysis by the left-biased Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2972181]I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.
[B]Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/birx-recalls-very-difficult-call-trump-says-hundreds-thousands-covid-n1262283[/URL]
A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.
At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.
Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.[/QUOTE]Considering all the lardasses we have in this county 900 k number is seems a bit low, it should have been more than that. It did thin them out as COVID was tough on the morbidity obese. Two in my neighborhood died and they were 300 lbs+ and that's being kind. We are the most overweight country on earth and they will cripple the Medicare system with health issues if they live that long. COVID did us a favor.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973664]You're twisting Thune's words. Certainly the effects of the TCJA weren't realized in 2017. The bill didn't even take effect until 2018. In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts! That's primarily because of higher social security and Medicare contributions from people hired by corporations, as documented in the NBER paper I've linked to several times here. The USA during the Biden administration has benefited more from the corporate tax cuts than it did during Trump's time in office. And even Harris and Biden didn't want to take the federal rate back to where it was before the TCJA.
I'll get back to you on your other post when I have more time. I don't agree with all the parts of the TCJA, nor with Trump's proposed tariffs. Your link however is another classic example of Simpson's paradox -- when you add all the data together instead of segmenting it, in this case by specific changes in the tax code, you come up with a very distorted view of reality. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to eliminate the SALT cap, which would represent most of the tax savings realized by higher earners in the fictitious analysis by the left-biased Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts![/QUOTE]Of course, we all know from the several reports I have linked that the idea of Trump's Repub TCJA generating "expansion, jobs and higher salaries" was not only laughed at by the very CEOs that windfall was meant to benefit the most even before it was signed and passed, but there is scent evidence that any of those things happened because of it even six years later. Piss-poor results on those supposed goals for the Trillions it added to the deficit.
But on the very idea that lowering corporate tax rates would ever produce such a result, there is a whole line of learned reasoning to suggest it would not.
If the corporate tax rate is higher and that company realizes a particularly profitable year, there will, not might, be a serious effort to avoid as much of that tax hit as possible by putting that money back into the business ASAP exactly as in your mythical response to the TCJA, open another factory or outlet, hire more employees, raise wages, contribute more to the general economy and so on specifically in order to avoid paying a high corporate tax rate on that profit. The positive ripple effect for the American Worker and Economy ensues.
However, if the corporate tax rate is lower, that same company owner or board will look at that same profit as more free and clear to take as realization, shrug off the tax concerns and spend it on, oh, let's say another villa in Italy, a couple of bitcoin, slip some of it into a few Repub MAGA 6 SCOTUS Christmas gift envelopes, pick up another Renoir for the bathroom, at best for America build a 6th mansion for themselves in Holmby Hills built by the already wealthiest contractors on earth.
At some point lower corporate tax rates are counterproductive to business expansion, adding jobs, raising wages, etc.
This idea that lowering top income margin or corporate tax rates will ever in history finally produce this mythical Supply-Side / Trickle-Down notable positive economic or jobs creation effect that Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders have been pining for since Calvin Coolidge / Herbert Hoover while it has so far only produced and presided over Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction along with skrocketing deficits has really gone beyond the mere juvenile and ill-informed and moved well into bizarre to the point of psychotic at this late date.
I think Trump wants to lower the corporate tax rate to 21% or maybe to zero, right? Lolol.
Now, that is not to say lowering those tax rates is not a very good idea based on the economic conditions at the time. But in the past 100 years no incoming Repub potus taking over from an outgoing Dem has inherited an economy that needs such a dramatic windfall put into the personal pockets of corporate CEOs or the already wealthiest top marginal income earners.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2973236]But they are comparable to most cars around the world, other than maybe some of the better German designed ones.
But any American that would willfully buy a car from the enemy rather than An American company needs to move out of the USA.
I am pro Buy American Pro American worker Pro Union.
If someone was dirt poor and chose to buy a Yugo Hyundai or Kia out of desperation I might give them a pass, an employee bought a Mitsubishi several years back and I didn't give them too much shit (just a little) because I drove past the plant that made it 100 miles outside Chicago 1000 x there are some American car makers that buy many parts from the CCP and have them assembled in Mexico etc.
Hopefully Our Lord and Savior will change that.
But anyone that deliberately buys foreign products over American is a traitor and should be shot for treason.
You know the guy that only buys Asian cars only buys Asian phones only uses Asian airlines etc.
He hates America but insists on living here, albeit California.
If someone is poor and must shop at Walmart or Amazon for their cheap plastic garbage from the CCP I understand and.
I'm hoping Our Lord and Savior ends that as well.
The Tariff God returns Jan 20 2025.[/QUOTE]For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany.
[QUOTE=Locamotive;2973716]Considering all the lardasses we have in this county 900 k number is seems a bit low, it should have been more than that. It did thin them out as COVID was tough on the morbidity obese. Two in my neighborhood died and they were 300 lbs+ and that's being kind. We are the most overweight country on earth and they will cripple the Medicare system with health issues if they live that long. COVID did us a favor.[/QUOTE]Thin the Herd they say Thin the Herd!!
We got more Not Morbidly Obese Morbidly Obese Not Tiny Tinas coming in, brace yourselves!!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2973760]For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany.[/QUOTE]Lower quality than Europe? LOL which countries lololol.
Boeing has had a few problems but I think you are trying to exaggerate them, and I was reading about the source of most of the issues.
Are you ready? Outsourcing to India.
I don't want my medicines made in India nor do I want my planes parts designed there or its flight software made in any degree there either.
I see that my original reply to Tiny that I submitted before the now previous [B]Oh, BTW[/B] post submission mysteriously got lost in transit and never showed up. See, that [B]Oh, BTW[/B] subject title meant I was adding something to that earlier reply.
You know, the one that mysteriously got lost.
Oh well.
So I will repost that original reply here:
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2973664]You're twisting Thune's words. Certainly the effects of the TCJA weren't realized in 2017. The bill didn't even take effect until 2018. In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts! That's primarily because of higher social security and Medicare contributions from people hired by corporations, as documented in the NBER paper I've linked to several times here. The USA during the Biden administration has benefited more from the corporate tax cuts than it did during Trump's time in office. And even Harris and Biden didn't want to take the federal rate back to where it was before the TCJA.
I'll get back to you on your other post when I have more time. I don't agree with all the parts of the TCJA, nor with Trump's proposed tariffs. Your link however is another classic example of Simpson's paradox -- when you add all the data together instead of segmenting it, in this case by specific changes in the tax code, you come up with a very distorted view of reality. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to eliminate the SALT cap, which would represent most of the tax savings realized by higher earners in the fictitious analysis by the left-biased Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.[/QUOTE]Inheriting an economy already at a Fed-defined "Full Employment" level with regard to the unemployment rate and continuing its 7 year-long decline, as Trump did, would be a big contributor to whatever "historic lows" it eventually went to over the next year or more as long as Trump hadn't done anything to change what he inherited and only played golf.
Yes, we have all seen your NBER charts and graphs showing "that" an increase in the median wage happened in 2018 and 2019 but have yet to see from you any substantiation for "why" that happened in any way due to a TCJA that was utterly dismissed by the corporate CEOs it benefitted the most as any reason whatsoever for them to expand their businesses, hire more employees, raise anyone's wages, etc and instead to just buy back their own stocks. Which they did.
On the other hand I have many times posted several reports explaining exactly why wages increased for anyone in 2018 and 2019; that being thanks largely to primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, contrary to what most Repubs ever want to happen, and the inevitable ripple effect on other / higher wages.
Now, on the "bias" you referred to for the ITEP link and data I posted previously, I can help you with that if you are short on time:
[B]Media Bias/Fact Check.
Bias and Credibility
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) Bias and Credibility[/B]
[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Overall, we rate the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Left-Center biased based on economic policy and High for factual reporting.
............
Detailed Report:
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.2)
Factual Reporting: HIGH (1.1)
Country: USA
MBFCs Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY[/QUOTE]
Yep. Trump is already raising the prices on damn near everything even before he takes his Lie of Office again on the 20th.
BTW, his looming "policies", whether they happen or not, just him flappin his yap about it over and over again, are also the reason the Stock Market has been choppy and indecisive lately.
Thank you for your vote, MAGAs and that special demo in the three Swing States.
Got to admit, Trump is WAY ahead of his "Starting on Day One" campaign promise. His classic Repub economic policy and stewardship results have already started even before "Day One"!
[B]Services index shows big jump in prices for December as companies fear tariffs[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/services-index-shows-big-jump-in-prices-for-december-as-companies-fear-tariffs.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Activity in the U.S. services industry accelerated in December but brought with it a sharp rise in expectations for price increases as businesses grew concerned about the impact tariffs would have on inflation.[/QUOTE]
LOL. Oh yes. Zuckerberg knows exactly what drives Trump and his MAGAs away like vampires from sunlight, holy water and crucifixes. Therefore, he knows what they need to be reeled back in:
[B]Meta scraps fact-checking, brings back political content in latest Trump-friendly move.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/meta-eliminates-third-party-fact-checking-moves-to-community-notes.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Meta announced it will eliminate its third-party fact-checking program and implement a Community Notes model, similar to the one that exists on Elon Musks X.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the company is also bringing back political content on its platforms and removing restrictions on subjects like immigration and gender.
Meta announced the changes on Fox News.[/QUOTE]No facts, please, along with plenty of fact-free blather about MAGAs' favorite topics like trannies and caravans of murderous immigrants coming to get you, just like on X. And where better to make the announcement than Fux News!
He has touched all the necessary Trump / MAGA bases, by golly.
LOL. Honestly, I thought this was an SNL comedy bit when I first heard about it. You don't even need to parody and lampoon Trump / MAGA World to make them look like pathetic clowns. Just report the truth.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2025/01/07/gallup-americans-remember-joe-biden-second-worst-president-history/[/URL]
But they are being way too generous.
[URL]https://www.topspeed.com/the-most-reliable-american-cars-according-to-consumer-reports/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2973760][b]For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus[/b]. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany.[/QUOTE]Indviduals such as yourself need to worry less about the quality of aircraft produced in the United States of America along with the quality of cars and tell their politicians to spend more money on defense or teach Russian in their schools.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-summit-defence/eu-to-deepen-military-readiness-raise-spending-leaders-say-idUSKBN1JP0ZF/[/URL]
[B]Most aircraft incidents are the result of human error[/B] Read the report I have provided here and tell me [B]Sirioja[/B] what was the cause of this tragic accident with the Airbus-A350?
[URL]https://simpleflying.com/japan-airlines-airbus-a350-crash-haneda-human-error/[/URL]
Man you really need to get your facts straight before making comments that sound like you are talking out the side of your neck. I am having trouble finding the country of [U]Western European[/U] in google maps.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2973924][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2025/01/07/gallup-americans-remember-joe-biden-second-worst-president-history/[/URL]
But they are being way too generous.[/QUOTE]Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
[QUOTE]More [b]Democrats[/b] expect history to look kindly rather than critically on the Biden presidency -- 44% think it will be judged outstanding or above average, while [b]16% say below average or poor.[/b] But nearly as many Democrats believe Biden will be remembered as an average president (38%) as a good one.
Independents and Republicans are much more pessimistic in their evaluations of Bidens presidency. The slim majority of independents, 51%, believe Biden will get a negative historical review, compared with 15% who think hell get a positive one. [B]Republicans overwhelmingly expect history to judge Biden harshly, including 76% who say he will be regarded as a poor president and 17% below average.[/b][/QUOTE]Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
[B]Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively[/B]
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?
Oh, also BTW, your Winger link DID misrepresent what the exact Gallup poll question was, didn't they?
Your Winger link headline was:
[B]Gallup: Americans to Remember Joe Biden as Second-Worst President in History [/B]
But that is not what that Gallup poll asked or showed.
Let me guess, you got a lead on this Winger link misrepresentation on newly fact-free Meta. Lolol.
[QUOTE=Locamotive;2973716]Considering all the lardasses we have in this county 900 k number is seems a bit low, it should have been more than that.[/QUOTE]Well, the food companies, which were taken over by the tobacco companies, love the fat shaming and personal responsibility line when it comes to obesity. Thing is Walmart followed people on the Ozempic like drugs, and they bought a helluva lot less food. If eating less were just will power, that should not be the case at all.
Then there are the obese people's favorite food, French fries. That is pretty simple to make right? Salt, potatoes, oil. And yet McDonald's got sued for having wheat (and milk) in their fries, [URL]https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2006/02/22/McDonald-s-faces-lawsuit-after-nutritional-info-slip/[/URL].
You might think that is just a few out of hundreds of millions of Americans have an issue with gluten but the reality is that at least one in three Americans is gluten sensitive.
And why is that? Gliadorphin (also known as gluteomorphin) is an opioid peptide that is formed during incomplete digestion of the gliadin component of the gluten protein. Wait, a lot of people who do not properly digest gluten get a heroin like high from wheat / gluten. Uh yeah, why do you think people like donuts so much?
As for milk, Casomorphin is an opioid peptide (protein fragment) derived from the incomplete digestion of the milk protein casein. And maybe that is why people love ice cream so much.
Of course, the tobacco companies know more about this more than anyone right? So if you want to sell more product / food, you put gluten and casein into damned near everything. And you do what McDonald's does and call the milk and wheat in their fries "seasonings".
After having my gall bladder out, my liver lets me know if I have eaten the wrong thing, but when I was in Europe recently, that did not happen once. And when I went to a concert there, not many obese were seen. I am not going to buy the Europeans as more disciplined line, not with the way those people smoke.
And then there was the walking angle. They take trains and walk so much more. Well, even walking five miles a day, only burns 500 calories. And there are the moped drivers, people on scooters who do not walk at all. Nah, that did not fit either.
And the crap the Europeans ate and drank at their concert was no different: beer, wine, bread, meats, cheeses. Hell, it may have been worse than an American concert. So why are Europeans thin?
Well, it turns out that European wheat has less gluten and is not drenched in Roundup, [URL]https://www.goodrx.com/well-being/diet-nutrition/gluten-europe-vs-united-states[/URL].
And Roundup may be the reason that wheat and milk are not properly digested and converted into heroin like substances.
I am not sure why fat people, lard asses, get such contempt from you. The diabetics, even thin ones, had a much harder time than the obese with Covid from what I saw. And I am not sure why you give thin diabetics, people in chronic pain, cancer patients, AIDS patients, and the heroin and meth addicts a pass when it comes to medical costs. A lot of those diseases are behavior related.
So maybe you should direct your anger at American food companies rather than obese Americans. Or maybe you get off looking at fat people and think you are better than them, that you exhibit more self control.
If you really feel that way, then maybe you should be posting in a place different than this. The average sex act takes nine minutes, and it is incredibly irrational to justify spending hundreds of dollars for such an act unless of course, you are an addict.
The pleasure I get from food and sex is much the same whereas other things like drugs or booze do not give me the near pleasure. The difference is unlike you I do not look at those doing drugs or drinking too much as morally weaker than me and cheer on their deaths.
In fact, if you get ripped off by a hooker, or get a deadly STD, some woman gets pregnant, or you even get killed when seeing a hooker, why should anyone have any sympathy for a sex addict like you? If it is good that food addicts die, why isn't it good that a disease spreading sex addict like you gets killed too?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973904]LOL. Oh yes. Zuckerberg knows exactly what drives Trump and his MAGAs away like vampires from sunlight, holy water and crucifixes. Therefore, he knows what they need to be reeled back in:
[B]Meta scraps fact-checking, brings back political content in latest Trump-friendly move.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/meta-eliminates-third-party-fact-checking-moves-to-community-notes.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
No facts, please, along with plenty of fact-free blather about MAGAs' favorite topics like trannies and caravans of murderous immigrants coming to get you, just like on X. And where better to make the announcement than Fux News!
He has touched all the necessary Trump / MAGA bases, by golly.
LOL. Honestly, I thought this was an SNL comedy bit when I first heard about it. You don't even need to parody and lampoon Trump / MAGA World to make them look like pathetic clowns. Just report the truth.[/QUOTE]Yeah, your take on it was predictable. The fact checkers are actually moving from California to Texas as Zuck has admitted the liberal fact checker bias.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973904]No facts, please, along with plenty of fact-free blather about MAGAs' favorite topics like trannies and caravans of murderous immigrants coming to get you, just like on X. And where better to make the announcement than Fux News![/QUOTE]And if you do not want to read that stuff, you do not have to. I would rather have the freedom to read what I want than what you want, state sponsored censorship. Thing is with Biden and you libs pushing censorship, other nations in the world got even more bold.
As promised, I'm getting back to you.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973867]I see that my original reply to Tiny that I submitted before the now previous [B]Oh, BTW[/B] post submission mysteriously got lost in transit and never showed up. See, that [B]Oh, BTW[/B] subject title meant I was adding something to that earlier reply.
You know, the one that mysteriously got lost.
Oh well.
So I will repost that original reply here:
Inheriting an economy already at a Fed-defined "Full Employment" level with regard to the unemployment rate and continuing its 7 year-long decline, as Trump did, would be a big contributor to whatever "historic lows" it eventually went to over the next year or more as long as Trump hadn't done anything to change what he inherited and only played golf.
Yes, we have all seen your NBER charts and graphs showing "that" an increase in the median wage happened in 2018 and 2019 but have yet to see from you any substantiation for "why" that happened in any way due to a TCJA that was utterly dismissed by the corporate CEOs it benefitted the most as any reason whatsoever for them to expand their businesses, hire more employees, raise anyone's wages, etc and instead to just buy back their own stocks. Which they did.
On the other hand I have many times posted several reports explaining exactly why wages increased for anyone in 2018 and 2019; that being thanks largely to primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, contrary to what most Repubs ever want to happen, and the inevitable ripple effect on other / higher wages.
Now, on the "bias" you referred to for the ITEP link and data I posted previously, I can help you with that if you are short on time:
[B]Media Bias/Fact Check.
Bias and Credibility
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) Bias and Credibility[/B]
[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/[/URL][/QUOTE]I never wrote anything about 2018 Tooms. I wrote, "In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. [B]Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.[/B].
Yes, it takes time for businesses to invest and hire people. The USA Economy is benefiting more now from the 2018 tax corporate tax cuts than it did in 2019. Lucky Biden.
Before the TCJA, the USA Corporate tax rate, federal + state, was around 40%, far higher than any developed country. If a multinational, including American companies, wanted to set up a business, why do it in California and pay 44% tax when it can pay 12.5% in Ireland? Ireland has gone from a poor country to one that has among the highest GDP / capita's in the world, higher than the USA, on the back of a low corporate income tax. The Republicans' tax cut, combined with also making it where an American company has to pay US tax on unrepatriated foreign income, are bringing some of that business back to the USA. And along with it comes more jobs and higher salaries.
As to ITEP, it's joined at the hip to Citizens for Tax Justice, and yes, it's left leaning. Your link says so.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973749]Of course, we all know from the several reports I have linked that the idea of Trump's Repub TCJA generating "expansion, jobs and higher salaries" was not only laughed at by the very CEOs that windfall was meant to benefit the most even before it was signed and passed, but there is scent evidence that any of those things happened because of it even six years later. Piss-poor results on those supposed goals for the Trillions it added to the deficit.
But on the very idea that lowering corporate tax rates would ever produce such a result, there is a whole line of learned reasoning to suggest it would not.
If the corporate tax rate is higher and that company realizes a particularly profitable year, there will, not might, be a serious effort to avoid as much of that tax hit as possible by putting that money back into the business ASAP exactly as in your mythical response to the TCJA, open another factory or outlet, hire more employees, raise wages, contribute more to the general economy and so on specifically in order to avoid paying a high corporate tax rate on that profit. The positive ripple effect for the American Worker and Economy ensues.
However, if the corporate tax rate is lower, that same company owner or board will look at that same profit as more free and clear to take as realization, shrug off the tax concerns and spend it on, oh, let's say another villa in Italy, a couple of bitcoin, slip some of it into a few Repub MAGA 6 SCOTUS Christmas gift envelopes, pick up another Renoir for the bathroom, at best for America build a 6th mansion for themselves in Holmby Hills built by the already wealthiest contractors on earth.
At some point lower corporate tax rates are counterproductive to business expansion, adding jobs, raising wages, etc.
This idea that lowering top income margin or corporate tax rates will ever in history finally produce this mythical Supply-Side / Trickle-Down notable positive economic or jobs creation effect that Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders have been pining for since Calvin Coolidge / Herbert Hoover while it has so far only produced and presided over Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction along with skrocketing deficits has really gone beyond the mere juvenile and ill-informed and moved well into bizarre to the point of psychotic at this late date.
I think Trump wants to lower the corporate tax rate to 21% or maybe to zero, right? Lolol.
Now, that is not to say lowering those tax rates is not a very good idea based on the economic conditions at the time. But in the past 100 years no incoming Repub potus taking over from an outgoing Dem has inherited an economy that needs such a dramatic windfall put into the personal pockets of corporate CEOs or the already wealthiest top marginal income earners.[/QUOTE]No, no, no! Fortunately most Republicans and many Democrats, including Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, recognize that going back to a 35% federal corporate tax rate would be bonkers.
You've got it backwards. The dividend payout ratio for the S&P 500 was around 46% in 2017 and 50% in 2016. Now it's around 37%, which is to say corporations are investing MORE in their own businesses after the tax cut. And you do not want the tax code encouraging companies to retain earnings and invest them inefficiently, as you suggest. This happens when the tax on dividends is high. Companies hang onto most of their profits instead of distributing them out to shareholders. If you had a 100% tax on dividends for example, the buggy whip manufacturers never would have paid their shareholders dividends, who thus would never have reinvested said dividends in companies like Ford Motor Company. Your ideas if implemented in the 20th century would have Made America Great in Buggy Whip Manufacturing.
And Trump et al ALREADY cut the corporate rate to 21%. Biden and Harris wanted to take it back up to about 27% or 28%, not the 35% it was at before the TCJA.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973296]I have no idea what happened in transition with my previous [B]Which Trump policies, etc[/B] submission. The only thing that made it to post was my Subject title, "See graphs below:" and the screenshot of the 3 graphs. Very strange. Internet gremlins perhaps.
Luckily, I still had the original on hand to re-sibmit and here it is:
Do you not care who wins the presidency because when your preferred Repub wins and his policies you claim to prefer go utterly tits up into another Great Depression, Great Recession and / or Massive Jobs Destruction you can then claim, "Hey, I didn't vote for him"! Thanks to your having announced you're voting for Oliver or me? LOL.
Well, a whole bunch of other people think the person who runs on a set of economic policy plans and goals, promotes those plans after getting elected and more often than not gets a sizable percentage of those plans enacted by Congress even when the majority in one or both Houses of Congress are the other Party matters quite a bit to what kind of economic results are produced by those policies and plans he ran on, proposed and mostly got passed.
Not all of them can be somewhat weak on math. Or logic. Or easily observable reality. Or historical data and facts.
So on wars, did you like that Peace-lover Trump was happy to keep the USA Military embroiled in a combat War in Afghanistan for every day of his so-called presidency and, as if that wasn't enough USA War for his liking, he "peacefully" led a recruited mob of violent Insurrectionists into battle against America On American Soil before the screen door smacked him in the ass on the way out?
I mean, as opposed to the previous and current "warmongering" Dem presidents taking all of the heat and responsibility for pulling us out of a Repub-initiated War in the Middle East on their watch and the current one keeping us out of any combat War anywhere on the planet since his first year in office?
And on Trump's economic policy plans, I assume your income level falls within the top 1% or possibly, the top 5% percentile of incomes, the only groups who will not pay more to the government if Trump's, not ChristiFascist Mike's nor John Thune's, policies and plans are enacted?
[B]A Distributional Analysis of Donald Trumps Tax Plan.
Oct. 7, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan-2024/[/URL]
See graphs below:[/QUOTE]Yes, Biden did indeed implement the policies and plans he ran on, proposed, and mostly got passed. And yes, according to Democrat Economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman his progressive handlers were indeed weak on math, logic, observable reality, and historical data and facts. Even Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury, now admits the deficit spending got out of control. Cumulative inflation during Biden's term is up over 20%. We're running deficits close to 6% of GDP, in peacetime! When the economy's doing great! That's crazy. Even John Maynard Keynes would be rolling over in his grave.
Kudos to Biden for getting the USA out of Afghanistan at last, although the exit was very poorly planned.
OK, you owe me one because I unjustly accused you of benefiting from Bidenomics by receiving higher rental income on your California properties. So I'll let this slight pass, about my selfishness because you believe I'm in the top 5%. But get personal again and I shall respond in kind, as I have done with the Marquesa and shall do with Paulie in the Kyiv thread in due course.
As to the link, I don't believe the SALT cap should be removed. I don't believe overtime pay and tips should be exempted from income. And I certainly don't believe a 20% to 60% import tariff should be imposed. If you just went with my likes and dislikes of Trump's ideas, set out in the ITEP piece, the tax code would become more progressive than it is now. I do however favor a flatter tax structure and elimination of loopholes. Democratic politicians have continually promoted the fiction that just by making the rich pay their fair share, we can have universal health care and childcare and a new Cadillac in every garage. Which is bull shit. You're going to have to tax everyone to have the money to do that, like France does:
[URL]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/12/01/business/01economist--mulligan-dec/01economist--mulligan-dec-blog480.jpg[/URL]
There is no free lunch.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2974086]Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
[B]Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively[/B]
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?
Oh, also BTW, your Winger link DID misrepresent what the exact Gallup poll question was, didn't they?
Your Winger link headline was:
[B]Gallup: Americans to Remember Joe Biden as Second-Worst President in History [/B]
But that is not what that Gallup poll asked or showed.
Let me guess, you got a lead on this Winger link misrepresentation on newly fact-free Meta. Lolol.[/QUOTE]More Democrats expect history to look kindly rather than critically on the Biden presidency -- 44% think it will be judged outstanding or above average, while 16% say below average or poor. But nearly as many Democrats believe Biden will be remembered as an average president (38%) as a good one.
THEY HOPE LMAO.
With Afghanistan alone he is the bottom rung, not to mention letting 10 million psychopathic savages flood our streets.
Scumbag Joe belongs in prison with his whole Scumbag family and you know it as well as everyone else!!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2974184]As promised, I'm getting back to you.
I never wrote anything about 2018 Tooms. I wrote, "In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. [B]Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.[/B].
Yes, it takes time for businesses to invest and hire people. The USA Economy is benefiting more now from the 2018 tax corporate tax cuts than it did in 2019. Lucky Biden.
Before the TCJA, the USA Corporate tax rate, federal + state, was around 40%, far higher than any developed country. If a multinational, including American companies, wanted to set up a business, why do it in California and pay 44% tax when it can pay 12.5% in Ireland? Ireland has gone from a poor country to one that has among the highest GDP / capita's in the world, higher than the USA, on the back of a low corporate income tax. The Republicans' tax cut, combined with also making it where an American company has to pay US tax on unrepatriated foreign income, are bringing some of that business back to the USA. And along with it comes more jobs and higher salaries.
As to ITEP, it's joined at the hip to Citizens for Tax Justice, and yes, it's left leaning. Your link says so.
No, no, no! Fortunately most Republicans and many Democrats, including Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, recognize that going back to a 35% federal corporate tax rate would be bonkers.
You've got it backwards. The dividend payout ratio for the S&P 500 was around 46% in 2017 and 50% in 2016. Now it's around 37%, which is to say corporations are investing MORE in their own businesses after the tax cut. And you do not want the tax code encouraging companies to retain earnings and invest them inefficiently, as you suggest. This happens when the tax on dividends is high. Companies hang onto most of their profits instead of distributing them out to shareholders. If you had a 100% tax on dividends for example, the buggy whip manufacturers never would have paid their shareholders dividends, who thus would never have reinvested said dividends in companies like Ford Motor Company. Your ideas if implemented in the 20th century would have Made America Great in Buggy Whip Manufacturing.
And Trump et al ALREADY cut the corporate rate to 21%. Biden and Harris wanted to take it back up to about 27% or 28%, not the 35% it was at before the TCJA.
Yes, Biden did indeed implement the policies and plans he ran on, proposed, and mostly got passed. And yes, according to Democrat Economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman his progressive handlers were indeed weak on math, logic, observable reality, and historical data and facts. Even Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury, now admits the deficit spending got out of control. Cumulative inflation during Biden's term is up over 20%. We're running deficits close to 6% of GDP, in peacetime! When the economy's doing great! That's crazy. Even John Maynard Keynes would be rolling over in his grave.
Kudos to Biden for getting the USA out of Afghanistan at last, although the exit was very poorly planned.
OK, you owe me one because I unjustly accused you of benefiting from Bidenomics by receiving higher rental income on your California properties. So I'll let this slight pass, about my selfishness because you believe I'm in the top 5%. But get personal again and I shall respond in kind, as I have done with the Marquesa and shall do with Paulie in the Kyiv thread in due course.
As to the link, I don't believe the SALT cap should be removed. I don't believe overtime pay and tips should be exempted from income. And I certainly don't believe a 20% to 60% import tariff should be imposed. If you just went with my likes and dislikes of Trump's ideas, set out in the ITEP piece, the tax code would become more progressive than it is now. I do however favor a flatter tax structure and elimination of loopholes. Democratic politicians have continually promoted the fiction that just by making the rich pay their fair share, we can have universal health care and childcare and a new Cadillac in every garage. Which is bull shit. You're going to have to tax everyone to have the money to do that, like France does:
[URL]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/12/01/business/01economist--mulligan-dec/01economist--mulligan-dec-blog480.jpg[/URL]
There is no free lunch.[/QUOTE]Trump had a shit jobs creation record vs Biden, Carter, Clinton, Obama, LBJ, etc. Even before Trump's Pandemic.
Had Biden done nothing for the next 4 years and his jobs creation record skyrocketed, I might see some merit in the $Trillion in deficit crap TCJA.
But that isn't the case.
Had dozens of primarily Blue Cities and Blue States done nothing to raise the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, and had CEOs of the main beneficiaries of the TCJA not laughed at the notion that they would ever use that tax cut windfall to expand their businesses, hire more employees, raise wages, etc, there might be a possibility that the TCJA had anything whatever to do with incomes and household wealth increasing in those years.
But that isn't the case.
Had Biden not inherited the Worst Jobs Creation Record Since Herbert Hoover from Trump along with massive deficits, heading into a million Americans mass murdered, global supply-chains collapsing, a quagmire Repub-initiated War in Afghanistan, a raging Insurrection movement led by Trump, etc and instead inherited from Trump anything close to the economic conditions inherited by any incoming Repub taking over from any outgoing Dem in the past 100 years, I might consider him "lucky" to have somehow magically recovered every job Trump lost and added more in his four years than all 3 previous Repub potuses combined as well as pulling us out of Afghanistan in the most competent and effective, least deadly withdrawal from an occupied country by the losing side in the history of warfare.
But that isn't the case.
You're telling a little fib of ommision about Yellen, aren't you?
[B]Janet Yellen: Covid stimulus may have contributed a little bit' to inflation[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/janet-yellen-covid-stimulus-may-have-contributed-a-little-bit-to-inflation/6099037/?os=firetvno_journeystruelr4geqf6&ref=app[/URL]
[QUOTE]Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that Biden-era stimulus spending may have contributed "a little bit" to the country's subsequent inflation woes.
But the widespread rise in prices was mostly "a supply-side phenomenon" caused by the Covid-19 pandemic itself, Yellen told CNBC in an exit interview.
There were "simply huge supply chain problems," she said, adding that shortages of critical goods "started pushing up prices a great deal."
Yellen said she believed the $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill and other spending was necessary, and she did not answer directly when asked if she has any regrets about it.
Instead, she urged Americans to recall that the pandemic was "raging out of control" when Biden took office, with thousands of people dying from the virus each month and a high unemployment rate threatening livelihoods.[/QUOTE]Ah, see that sounds much more like the intelligent, well-informed, utterly credible person whose assessment I am sure you meant to condone.
And you're telling a little fib of ommission about ITEP too, aren't you?
Yes, my link characterized it as "left-center", but only for the words they use, not ON THE FACTS. I would say, for instance, the fact that their analysis even mentioned how much Trump's plans would cost everyone in America not in the top 1-5% percentile a whole month before the election justified that "left-center" Rating while it is highly unlikely a "right-center" policy research site would ever mention such a thing until that 95% of the country found themselves paying a shit-load more under Assistant President Trump and not really knowing why.
And now I see I needed to highlight the most important part of the Media Bias assessment of ITEP as far as any analysis of economic policy goes. So I will do that now:
[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Overall, we rate the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Left-Center biased based on economic policy and [b]High for factual reporting.[/b]
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.2)
[B]Factual Reporting: HIGH [/b](1.1)
Country: USA
MBFCs Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
[B]MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY[/b][/QUOTE]There. Isn't that better?
Now that you brought it up, while other rent increases in my rental property area were averaging 25-30% or more and for multiple years, I raised mine 5%. Those were hard times for everyone during Trump's Pandemic. And even though Trump's Pandemic caused costs for me to soar far more than 5%, just like everyone else, I could afford to be lenient with my tenants.
That was in 2022. Now that Biden has recovered the Trump / Repub Disastrous Economy and everyone is back on their feet and doing quite well, I just raised the rent 10%.
Oh, and remember way back when I had not gotten one of those Trump's Pandemic Emergency Relief Checks because it got lost in the mail? And my followup request for it with the IRS triggered a two year long audit of everything for the previous 4 years while the Repub Congress had refused and thwarted every effort by Biden and the Dems to hire more IRS agents in order to get these things done in a more timely manner? Well, after all the years of IRS auditing and scrutinizing of my tax returns, I did finally get that check and a bit more of a refund for a recent year that my tax preparer apparently missed but the IRS caught! Plus interest! Isn't that nice of them?
Just thought you'd like to know.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2973936][URL]https://www.topspeed.com/the-most-reliable-american-cars-according-to-consumer-reports/[/URL]
Indviduals such as yourself need to worry less about the quality of aircraft produced in the United States of America along with the quality of cars and tell their politicians to spend more money on defense or teach Russian in their schools.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-summit-defence/eu-to-deepen-military-readiness-raise-spending-leaders-say-idUSKBN1JP0ZF/[/URL]
[B]Most aircraft incidents are the result of human error[/B] Read the report I have provided here and tell me [B]Sirioja[/B] what was the cause of this tragic accident with the Airbus-A350?
[URL]https://simpleflying.com/japan-airlines-airbus-a350-crash-haneda-human-error/[/URL]
Man you really need to get your facts straight before making comments that sound like you are talking out the side of your neck. I am having trouble finding the country of [U]Western European[/U] in google maps.[/QUOTE]This is big problem of USA, lack of knowledge for the world. Not many technical problems on many Boeing? Musk fucking the world with Tesla with polluting batteries and now bullshiting like Trump. For USA quality, also Cola and McDo making You obese, when I bicycle climb legends for my holidays, at my age and not anymore 20 . I wish Canada, Groenland and even Panama will resist to crazy dangerous Trump behaving like Putin who hold his balls in his hand after Moscow parties.
Having for the second time inherited a terrific economy from the outgoing Dem Administration's historic recovery, economic expansion, jobs creation and wage growth after cleaning up the colossal mess of everything handed to them by the outgoing Repub administration, Lucky Donald Trump faces the usual incoming Repub challenge:
How to "turn around" that terrific economy and reverse those terrific economic trajectories he inherited and produce the apparent Repub contractually-required shitstorm of economic failure and disaster. Again.
Trump is definitely working on it and way ahead of his Day One campaign promise schedule by already jacking up mortgage loan, shipping and retail costs with his constant blather about across-the-board trade war tariffs with our allies and adversaries alike.
But by all expert assessment and measures, Bidenomics, Biden's National Security, Foreign Policies and masterful stewardship have produce such solid, stable and steadily improving results it is going to take a lot more of Trump's Classic Repub horrific policies and stewardship results than usual to "turn it around" and get to that Repub contractually-required shitstorm of a mess of everything to hand off to the next Dem administration.
But what will it be this time? Only time will tell.
For sure, he'll have to be quite a bit more proactive to get there than relying on his Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repub Pink Tinkle Or Less Majorities in Congress to be so incapable of governing and getting anything done so he can use that as his lame excuse to just play golf, golf and more golf starting January 21 and wait for another Golden Trump's Pandemic Opportunity to come along. Although he is working on that too. He might actually have to do a little work every now and then this time.
[B]Economy poised for a solid year in 2025. But these Trump plans could slow growth.
Jan. 6, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/01/06/us-economy-job-market-2025-outlook/77380490007/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Yet by raising prices, tariffs will reduce consumers buying power and purchases, he said. And less immigration means losing the spending of migrants who have bolstered consumption.
All told, economists estimate consumer spending will increase a healthy 2.4% this year, down from an estimated 2.6% in 2024, according to those surveyed. Consumption would be about a half point higher if not for the tariffs and immigration curbs, Zandi said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973876]Yep. Trump is already raising the prices on damn near everything even before he takes his Lie of Office again on the 20th.
BTW, his looming "policies", whether they happen or not, just him flappin his yap about it over and over again, are also the reason the Stock Market has been choppy and indecisive lately.
Thank you for your vote, MAGAs and that special demo in the three Swing States.
Got to admit, Trump is WAY ahead of his "Starting on Day One" campaign promise. His classic Repub economic policy and stewardship results have already started even before "Day One"!
[B]Services index shows big jump in prices for December as companies fear tariffs[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/services-index-shows-big-jump-in-prices-for-december-as-companies-fear-tariffs.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]The election was won by cats and some dead squirrel.
[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/music/Theyre-eating-the-dogs-Theyre-eating-the-cats-7413373879479192362?lang=en[/URL]
https://www.tiktok.com/@smoothjasmine/video/7413845798905007403?is_from_webapp=1
Keep on pollution, Trump and look at hurricanes and houses burning. Electing such crazy orange with his jumping monkey, Musk, can make a difficult life.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2973032]I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.[/QUOTE]
I for one, won't miss the gas stations, oil lube or mechanic shops. Good residence! I remember when Americans said similar things about the Japanese and then Korean vehicles. But I think, it won't be long, before we'll be saying the same thing about Chinese EVs.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2973760] For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany. .[/QUOTE]
With the influx of China EVs, becoming the norm in Europe and European car manufacturing shredding jobs like crazy, it's not looking so good for the survival of the European car market manufacturers.
Even worse is the car suppliers, are now expected to receive a long sustained period of lower growth, with many who are now seeing a massive downward trend for auto parts, as consumers are buying more EVs (Chinese, Korean or European), where less manufacturing of car parts are need, the are set to set to cut staff by 50% over 2025 and onward.
[u]Legacy Automotive Fossil Fuel Fears in America Exist Too:[/u]
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on [b]California's state right[/b] to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the [b]Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights",[/b] to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2974516]I for one, won't miss the gas stations, oil lube or mechanic shops. Good residence! I remember when Americans said similar things about the Japanese and then Korean vehicles. But I think, it won't be long, before we'll be saying the same thing about Chinese EVs.
With the influx of China EVs, becoming the norm in Europe and European car manufacturing shredding jobs like crazy, it's not looking so good for the survival of the European car market manufacturers.
Even worse is the car suppliers, are now expected to receive a long sustained period of lower growth, with many who are now seeing a massive downward trend for auto parts, as consumers are buying more EVs (Chinese, Korean or European), where less manufacturing of car parts are need, the are set to set to cut staff by 50% over 2025 and onward.
[u]Legacy Automotive Fossil Fuel Fears in America Exist Too:[/u]
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on [b]California's state right[/b] to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the [b]Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights",[/b] to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.[/QUOTE]As a Western European fed with quality standards, I don t buy chinese nor korean shit cars, nor chinese shit other products. I drive V8 Audi I powered with french E85 to save our planet, when batteries for Teslas and others make big pollution, Musk fucking our world. Just have to have a brain, when USA seem no brained, according to who they elected. I will ban USA products, under Trump and Musk who are bullshiting our world. I may buy a Dodge charger V8 , for the legend, but only after these 2 crazy. Our world have to resist to Trump, Musk and Putin, kind of 3 brothers.
Seriously. Is it really impossible for an outgoing Repub so-called president to hand off conditions like these to an incoming Dem President along with NO historic scandal, NO war, NO "Once in 100 Years Disaster", NO massive jobs destruction, NO skyrocketing crime rate, NO utter chaos and confusion at least once every century or so?
Apparently, it is.
[B]USA Payrolls grew by 256,000 in December, much more than expected; unemployment rate falls to 4. 1%.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/10/jobs-report-december-2024.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE] Nonfarm payrolls surged by 256,000 for the month, up from 212,000 in November and above the 155,000 forecast.
The unemployment rate edged down to 4.1%, one-tenth of a point below expectations. A broader jobless measure moved down to 7.5%, a decrease of 0.2 percentage point and the lowest since June 2024.
................
The report brings to a close a year in which employment grew each month, though inconsistently and at times raising questions over whether a recession loomed. However, the final two months showed a labor market still operating at strength as the Fed contemplates its next moves on monetary policy.[/QUOTE]
Could it be that Trump's constant blathering about tariffs, trade and literal wars with our allies and adversaries alike, mass deportations and those horrible Cabinet nominations is working its predictable Classic Repub Results magic into the USA Economy and Stock Market a month earlier than his campaign promise to swing into action to achieve those results Starting On Day One?
[B]Stock market gain that followed Trump's election win is close to being wiped out.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/10/trumps-election-market-bump-close-to-being-wiped-out.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Trump bump could become the Trump slump.
The S&P 500′s return since Election Day has fallen to just around 0.5%. If that holds through Inauguration Day on Jan. 20, [b]it will mark the worst performance for the broad index between an election and inauguration since[/b] Barack Obama came into the White House in 2009 amid [b]the global financial crisis[/b], according to data from Bespoke Investment Group.[/QUOTE]Damn. This terrific economy Dem Administration to Repub Administration handoff couldn't be more opposite than every horrific economy Repub Administration to Dem Administration handoff over the past 100 years.
Well, if you're going put a man in the White House known far and wide, domestically and globally, in and out of politics, for turning everything he touches into shit and then it dies, you shouldn't be surprised when the forward-looking Stock Market responds the same as when a previous Repub produced a historic existential threat to Capitalism itself.
Not even in the midst of an economy today that is by every measure The Envy of the World.
Oh well.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2974086]Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
[B]Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively[/B]
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/opinion/joe-biden-legacy.html[/URL]
Biden's presidency will be remembered for four big illusions and four big deceptions. They will not serve his legacy well.
The illusions: first, that the 2021 surge in migration was seasonal ("happens every single solitary year," as Biden said that March); second, that the Taliban would not swiftly seize Afghanistan ("the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely," as he said that July); third, that inflation was transitory ("Our experts believe, and the data shows, that most of the price increases we've seen are expected to be temporary," also that July).
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The fourth, and the biggest: that he was the best Democratic candidate to defeat Donald Trump: "I beat him once, and I will beat him again," he often insisted, even after the debate debacle.
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That last illusion was pure hubris. But there was an arrogance to the first three, since he was loudly alerted (including by, well, me) on each point that he was making a fundamental mistake. The White House spent months in 2021 refusing to use the term "crisis" for the border it was, instead, a "challenge. " Pentagon leaders warned the president that the Afghan government would soon collapse if the United States withdrew. Biden shrugged. Larry Summers was outspoken about the inflationary risks of Biden's $1. 9 trillion stimulus package. Biden ignored that, too.
Those misjudgments doomed the Biden presidency, which never had a positive approval rating after the Afghan withdrawal. Maybe senior Democrats like Nancy Pelosi could have helped their party's chances if they had had the talk with Joe and Jill Biden about his re-election prospects in the spring of 2022 instead of the summer of 2024. It was left to Dean Phillips, the former Minnesota representative, to play the part of the boy who says the emperor has no clothes. Someone ought to nominate him for a Profile in Courage Award.
Behind the misjudgments were the deceptions.
Biden ran in 2020 on the implicit but clear pledge that he intended to serve a single term. ("If Biden is elected, he's going to be 82 years old in four years," one campaign adviser told Politico in 2019, "and he won't be running for re-election. ") he promised to be a bipartisan and moderate figure in the White House: "Unity" was the theme of his Inaugural Address. He, along with his entire administration, insisted he was mentally and physically fit to serve a second term. And he promised not to pardon his son Hunter if he were convicted of crimes.
Of these deceptions, the first was the most forgivable and the most foolish: It's precisely because power is so alluring that the voluntary abdication would have been so admirable. His grudging decision in July not to run came too late to qualify as statesmanship.
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The other deceptions: less forgivable. The centrist voters who put Biden in the White House saw him as a safe and consoling pair of hands. Instead, he sought to govern as the second coming of Lyndon Johnson, with spending proposals amounting to $7. 5 trillion nearly twice what we spent to win World War II, adjusted for inflation. And he took to denouncing "MAGA Republicans" as a threat to "the very foundations of our Republic. "
Those MAGA Republicans responded the next year by rallying again to Donald Trump, who now owes his second term to Biden's only term.
Worst of all were the last two deceptions. Last month, The Wall Street Journal published a comprehensive and devastating report on the president's failing health. The paper reported that a former aide recalled a national security official saying, "he has good days and bad days, and today was a bad day so we're going to address this tomorrow" in the spring of 2021. Perhaps the president didn't notice his own decline, so the deception might not have been his. But his entire senior staff must have noticed, and, as The Journal reported, they took advantage of it to enhance their own power. It's a national scandal that deserves a congressional inquiry.
And Hunter? A father's love is admirable. A president's lie is not. In one of his last major political acts in office, Joe Biden forgot who he was. But it seems as if that already happened years ago. History won't be kind.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2974516]I for one, won't miss the gas stations, oil lube or mechanic shops. Good residence! I remember when Americans said similar things about the Japanese and then Korean vehicles. But I think, it won't be long, before we'll be saying the same thing about Chinese EVs.
With the influx of China EVs, becoming the norm in Europe and European car manufacturing shredding jobs like crazy, it's not looking so good for the survival of the European car market manufacturers.
Even worse is the car suppliers, are now expected to receive a long sustained period of lower growth, with many who are now seeing a massive downward trend for auto parts, as consumers are buying more EVs (Chinese, Korean or European), where less manufacturing of car parts are need, the are set to set to cut staff by 50% over 2025 and onward.
Fair enough, the first part of your post, except that Chinese EV's, for better or worse, won't catch on in the USA. Neither political party will let that happen. Both favor sky high tariffs on Chinese vehicles, and the Democrats will channel the EV pork to American companies that use union labor. [/QUOTE]
Fair enough. Yes, theoretically Chinese EV's should catch on here. They're great value for the money. But they won't. Both parties favor sky high tariffs on the Chinese, and the Democrats will restrict their EV subsidies to cars made by union labor, in America.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2974516][u]Legacy Automotive Fossil Fuel Fears in America Exist Too:[/u]
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on [b]California's state right[/b] to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the [b]Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights",[/b] to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.[/QUOTE]And I agree completely with you about California, except when you're talking about "clean air", you really mean "lower CO2 emissions." Californians should have the right to slit their own throats with restrictions and subsidies to promote renewable energy. The average Californian pays around 30 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity. I pay 14 cents. And they pay $4. 30 a gallon for gasoline, compared to $2. 80 where I live. In fact, overall, the cost of living in California is 38% higher than for the nation as a whole! The cost of renting or buying a house is 97% higher! No wonder there are so many homeless people there. Say what you will about Tooms, he's a shrewd real estate investor, buying in California.
One point of disagreement. By your definition of fascism as it applies to energy and states rights, Trump and the Republicans are pikers compared to Biden, Obama and Washington Democrats. There are a lot of West Virginians out of work because of the Democrats' war on coal. Major pipelines planned for North Dakota and West Virginia were scotched by executive order. The federal government is not issuing permits for new LNG projects, which is ridiculous considering the LNG would largely replace coal. (Coal emits more CO2 than natural gas.) Biden held true to his campaign promise for a while and stopped issuing drilling permits and leases for the federal offshore and federal lands, although the courts and political reality shut that down. NONE of that would have happened if it were left up to the people and politicians in the states affected.
Then are the $7500 tax credits wealthy EV owners get. In fact a lot of us red state taxpayers don't appreciate the $1.2 trillion (according to Goldman Sachs) in renewable energy pork dished out in the Inflation Reduction Act, which we'll have to pay for.
Californians should be free to legislate any subsidies or restrictions like the above they want. But yeah, I agree, having them imposed or prevented by Washington D.C. for the states affected is kind of fascistic.
It's nice to kind of be on the same page with you for once!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2974294]
Now that you brought it up, while other rent increases in my rental property area were averaging 25-30% or more and for multiple years, I raised mine 5%. Those were hard times for everyone during Trump's Pandemic. And even though Trump's Pandemic caused costs for me to soar far more than 5%, just like everyone else, I could afford to be lenient with my tenants.
That was in 2022. Now that Biden has recovered the Trump / Repub Disastrous Economy and everyone is back on their feet and doing quite well, I just raised the rent 10%[/QUOTE]Kudos, honestly. You deserve praise for what you did.
Otherwise I don't agree with much in your post.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2974516]... The petition submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on [b]California's state right[/b] to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the [b]Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights",[/b] to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.[/QUOTE]Don't you know how "uncompromising" Republicans and their mantras are about the sanctity of states rights?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2974636][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/opinion/joe-biden-legacy.html[/URL]
Biden's presidency will be remembered for four big illusions and four big deceptions. They will not serve his legacy well.
The illusions: first, that the 2021 surge in migration was seasonal ("happens every single solitary year," as Biden said that March); second, that the Taliban would not swiftly seize Afghanistan ("the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely," as he said that July); third, that inflation was transitory ("Our experts believe, and the data shows, that most of the price increases we've seen are expected to be temporary," also that July).
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The fourth, and the biggest: that he was the best Democratic candidate to defeat Donald Trump: "I beat him once, and I will beat him again," he often insisted, even after the debate debacle.
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That last illusion was pure hubris. But there was an arrogance to the first three, since he was loudly alerted (including by, well, me) on each point that he was making a fundamental mistake. The White House spent months in 2021 refusing to use the term "crisis" for the border it was, instead, a "challenge. " Pentagon leaders warned the president that the Afghan government would soon collapse if the United States withdrew. Biden shrugged. Larry Summers was outspoken about the inflationary risks of Biden's $1. 9 trillion stimulus package. Biden ignored that, too.
Those misjudgments doomed the Biden presidency, which never had a positive approval rating after the Afghan withdrawal. Maybe senior Democrats like Nancy Pelosi could have helped their party's chances if they had had the talk with Joe and Jill Biden about his re-election prospects in the spring of 2022 instead of the summer of 2024. It was left to Dean Phillips, the former Minnesota representative, to play the part of the boy who says the emperor has no clothes. Someone ought to nominate him for a Profile in Courage Award.
Behind the misjudgments were the deceptions.
Biden ran in 2020 on the implicit but clear pledge that he intended to serve a single term. ("If Biden is elected, he's going to be 82 years old in four years," one campaign adviser told Politico in 2019, "and he won't be running for re-election. ") he promised to be a bipartisan and moderate figure in the White House: "Unity" was the theme of his Inaugural Address. He, along with his entire administration, insisted he was mentally and physically fit to serve a second term. And he promised not to pardon his son Hunter if he were convicted of crimes.
Of these deceptions, the first was the most forgivable and the most foolish: It's precisely because power is so alluring that the voluntary abdication would have been so admirable. His grudging decision in July not to run came too late to qualify as statesmanship.
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The other deceptions: less forgivable. The centrist voters who put Biden in the White House saw him as a safe and consoling pair of hands. Instead, he sought to govern as the second coming of Lyndon Johnson, with spending proposals amounting to $7. 5 trillion nearly twice what we spent to win World War II, adjusted for inflation. And he took to denouncing "MAGA Republicans" as a threat to "the very foundations of our Republic. "
Those MAGA Republicans responded the next year by rallying again to Donald Trump, who now owes his second term to Biden's only term.[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks for that link.
I knew Biden was an extremely honest man and President. But I had no idea he was so honest it is hard even for his highly financially-motivated Dem-bashing adversaries in Mainstream Media to find so much as 1-2 out of potentially 4 rather unintentional falsehoods that actually mattered all that much in the scheme of things historically, none of which put a dent in his unprecedented record of Peace, Economic, Health and Well-being Recovery, Jobs Creation, etc, etc, etc now and well into the future.
Unless a Repub or 280 succeed in really fucking it up for the future, that is.
That's very, very impressive, especially in the Nude Grinbitch, Moscow Mitch, Trump, MAGA era. Makes me even more proud of my votes for him, his VP and presidential candidate Harris.
[B]Washington Post counts 30,573 false or misleading claims in four years by Trump.
Jan. 20, 2021[/B]
[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/media/535081-wapost-counts-30573-false-or-misleading-claims-in-four-years-by-trump/[/URL]
The count resumes at 12 Noon on January 20,2025. And, for the sake of accuracy, they really should start the count at the first of those 35 words in the Oath of Office he will start lying about before his Trump's Pandemic Or Whatever Once in 100 Years Disaster he Can Find or Create, Part 2 term technically begins.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974301]This is big problem of USA, lack of knowledge for the world.[/QUOTE]I won't disagree with you there. But you are responding to someone who does not live in USA so that is not applicable to me.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974301]Not many technical problems on many Boeing? [/QUOTE]Airbus is the safer aircraft?
[U]What caused the accidents?[/U]
[QUOTE]I think that it would be interesting to describe in short the actual cause of the accidents. In the list below, each accident is presented with it's NTSB identifier, so if you want to get more information on a specific accident, simply make a search with that identifier.
Airbus 2014
ENG14IA028: engine fire due to blade fracture
Airbus 2015
CEN15IA225: crack in the windshield outer pane due to moisture
Airbus 2016
ENG17IA003: engine fire due to fuel manifold fatigue crack
Airbus 2017
DCA17CA087: parking brake malfunction that caused a sudden stop while taxiing
DCA17WA115: problems with the wing spoilers during climb, returned to airport
Airbus 2018
DCA18LA163: engine fire due to hydraulic fluid leakage
Airbus 2019
No accidents
Airbus 2020
ENG21WA010: engine sparks and vibrations during cruise
Airbus 2021
No accidents
Airbus 2022
DCA22LA212: uncommanded movement of the horizontal stabilizer control wheel
Airbus 2023
ENG23LA033: loss of both electrical generators
Airbus 2024
No accidents[/QUOTE]One of the big problem of haters is that they are so wrapped up in their hate they cannot get their facts straight.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974301]For USA quality, also Cola and McDo making You obese[/QUOTE]Making who obese? Have you ever seen me? No one is forced to consume items from either of the name brands you mentioned.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974301]I wish Canada, Groenland and even Panama will resist to crazy dangerous Trump behaving like Putin who hold his balls in his hand after Moscow parties.[/QUOTE]Do you define the AK-47 as a safe and healthy product. My understanding is that is used around the world to kill people. Please correct me if I am wrong.
[QUOTE]The AK-47 is perhaps one of the most recognizable automatic rifles in the world. This simple gun, produced by Mikhail Kalashnikov, was initially intended to replace the rifles and submachine guns carried by Soviet forces at the end of WW2. However, it quickly became the weapon of choice during most conflicts following the Second World War.[/QUOTE][URL]https://historyguild.org/the-story-of-the-ak-47-the-worlds-most-famous-and-deadliest-rifle/[/URL]
Weird, so many fire starting around LA. Despite no rain and strong wind, but so many starting can t be only natural. A bit same like free weapons killing people and children in schools, when USA killed all Indians long time ago.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974842]Weird, so many fire starting around LA. Despite no rain and strong wind, but so many starting can t be only natural.[/QUOTE]Are you implying that the LA Fires have something to do with politics. The fires have occurred throughout history from natural and man made causes.
[URL]https://projects.capradio.org/california-fire-history/[/URL]#6/38.58/-121.49.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974842] A bit same like free weapons killing people and children in schools, when USA killed all Indians long time ago.[/QUOTE][ / be]Inaccurate[be]!
[QUOTE]From the earliest European visitors to the period of Westward Expansion, white settlers encountered American Indians. Though many of these meetings were peaceful, the cultures more often clashed, resulting in hundreds of battles and skirmishes between the Indians and pioneers encroaching upon their lands, as well as conflicts between the tribes and the USA Army. Though confrontations with the Indians virtually occurred since the first European explorers and settlers set foot on American soil[ / QUOTE][URL][URL][URL]https://www.legendsofamerica.com/indian-wars/[/URL][/URL].[/URL]
[be]Atrocities occurred[ / be] as they do in an war. But so did slavery and I do not see you complaining about that historical fact.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2974836]I won't disagree with you there. But you are responding to someone who does not live in USA so that is not applicable to me.
Airbus is the safer aircraft?
[U]What caused the accidents?[/U]
One of the big problem of haters is that they are so wrapped up in their hate they cannot get their facts straight.
Making who obese? Have you ever seen me? No one is forced to consume items from either of the name brands you mentioned.
Do you define the AK-47 as a safe and healthy product. My understanding is that is used around the world to kill people. Please correct me if I am wrong.
[URL]https://historyguild.org/the-story-of-the-ak-47-the-worlds-most-famous-and-deadliest-rifle/[/URL][/QUOTE]I tell about USA, not about somebody I don't know. I would feel much more safe in a Airbus than in a Boeing now. I don't care about Republicans or Democrats, when I don't live in USA, but I find Trump same shameful dangerous than Putin. I support Ukraine, even I love Russia but hate Putin. I also support Canada and Greenland / Denmark, stay away crazy Trump.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974842]Weird, so many fire starting around LA. Despite no rain and strong wind, but so many starting can t be only natural. A bit same like free weapons killing people and children in schools, when USA killed all Indians long time ago.[/QUOTE]Terrible and sad what is happening around LA, but a bit funny rich and claimed strong USA need help of poor Mexico to stop probably criminal fires, when too numerous to happen naturally. Also funny, USA seem to have only small helicopters to send water? Don't they have big and more powerful planes to send more water? When USA claim to be so powerful, but not able to protect so many houses and people who died.
34 times convicted Felon Conman Donald Trump conned his lemming sucker MAGAs into hating President Joe Biden's terrific Inflation Reduction Act so well, 77 Million of those numbskulls voted for him to destroy it and thereby cut their beloved Repub Party's own throat.
Lololol. Biden is not only one of the best Presidents in history, he is a goddam genius!
[B]Why Trump and GOP attacks on IRA can't score a clean sweep in red states.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/12/trump-gop-attacks-on-ira-wont-score-clean-sweep-in-red-states.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The clean energy labor market, highlighted by EV and battery tech jobs, remains a fraction of the total U.S. employment pool of roughly 160 million workers.
But it is growing, and growing specifically in red and swing states key to Republican politicians.
Tough talk from President-elect Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson about cuts to President Bidens Inflation Reduction act will require consideration of [b]jobs in states run by Republican governors, local Congressional districts held by the GOP, and a growing portion of climate tech jobs with support from labor unions.[/b]
...............
The new Republican-majority Congress has wasted no time in making its energy priorities clear. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said from the House floor minutes after his reelection, We have to stop the attacks on liquefied natural gas, pass legislation to eliminate the Green New Deal. ... Were going to expedite new drilling permits, were going to save the jobs of our auto manufacturers, and were going to do that by ending the ridiculous E.V. mandates.
Data from the auto industry shows a more complicated story. [B]There are more investments in EVs and related battery technologies in states under the control of Republican governors than in states run by Democrats. The top 10 states for total investments in EV technology, according to the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, are either solidly red or swing states such as Michigan, Arizona, North Carolina and Nevada.[/b] Far from help the fortunes of automakers, Trump confidante Elon Musk is on record as saying that repealing EV incentives would be a pill he could swallow, even as CEO of Tesla, because it would hurt other automakers even more.
Amending or possibly repealing the Inflation Reduction Act, President Joe Bidens sweeping 2022 law that allocates approximately $369 billion over the next decade to clean-energy and climate-related projects, has been a talking point for President-elect Trump and many members of the GOP. Not a single Republican voted in favor of the bill saying its subsidies, tax credits, grants and loans are wasteful government overreach and the party and Trump have since railed against it.
On this years campaign trail, Trump said he will rescind all unspent funds under the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act.
He and fellow Republicans have also talked about eliminating the IRAs $7,500 federal personal tax credit for buying a new electric vehicle, as well as various incentives for private companies investing in manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, EV batteries, heat pumps and other clean-energy products.
[B]But in an interview with CNBC last fall, Speaker Johnson hinted at the potential problem for the GOP now that investments have been made, and job growth continues to climb, across Republican states. He said it would be impossible to blow up the IRA, and it would be unwise, since some aspects of the terrible legislation had helped the economy.[/b] Youve got to use a scalpel and not a sledgehammer, because theres a few provisions in there that have helped overall, Johnson said.
[B]The economic boost that hundreds of IRA-funded projects have given the country, beyond just the EV industry, are predominantly in red states and the hundreds of thousands of clean-energy jobs linked to the IRA as well as the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the CHIPS and Science Act. A vast portion of that workforce voted for Republicans in November, and jeopardizing their livelihoods could fuel a balloting backlash.[/b]
"The IRA is the quintessential policy that can create jobs, drive economic growth and improve our economy, said Bob Keefe, executive director of E2, a nonprofit environmental advocacy group comprising about 10,000 business leaders and investors, while at the same time giving us the tools to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
(See link for more)[/QUOTE]So now Brilliant Biden has put ChristoFascist Mike into the same corner as he put President-elect Musk and his Assistant Trump.
Musk: Gee, nobody knew cutting even $1 Trillion or less from the deficit was hard, much less $2 Trillion!
Trump: Gee, nobody knew reducing the cost of "groceries", that word I invented and now everyone is using it, was hard!
ChristoFascist Mike: Gee, nobody knew saving hundreds of thousands of Repub jobs in Repub and Swing States rather than destroying Planet Earth was hard!
Lololol.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2974516]I
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on [b]California's state right[/b] to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the [b]Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights",[/b] to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.[/QUOTE]On the one hand you have a point. Chinese EV manufacturers arre producing the most flawless automobiles every made. OTOH, you are ignoring what a complete pain in the ass EVs are and how terrible they really are for the enviorment, and consumers do not want them because they are a pain the ass and are goint to cost us in a massive upgrade of the electrical grid. Natural gas seems a helluva lot cleaner than solar and wind and like most of the green revolution, the "clean" energy products originate from China which might have the worst air quality on the planet.
I would not argue that this is about state's rights but more like the executive branch shoving EVs down our throats and much like Covid was, it is this wonderous mixture of American bureaucrats and the CCCP making these horrible things happen. We need to create deadly viruses to save he world. We have to pollute the shit out of China to produce "clean" green technologies.
I remember when we had two days without electricity in Texas due to a once in a century snowstorm. Houston of all places got snow. Thing is I did have a few hours of electricity each day for two days but man did the government take shit about that. Friends and relatives from Califronia called and asked me about the problems we had as if two days of partial power was similar to the hellish browouts Califronia has gone through for years.
Thing about being a dumb Dem is worrying about the stupid shit, global warming, mysterious viruses, drilling for oil and gas, and DEI hires to combat white supremacy and privilege.
In the mean time, you have fire hydrants that do not work in the LA area, and these fires which are part of the ecosystem, are now being blamed on global warming. Ah yes, we need to buy EVs not have water on hand to combat fires. How fucking stupid.
Then you have the whole Ukraine and Putin thing. As I have said countless times, this was Biden promoting war in hopes of re-election. He provoked the Russian response and the dumb Dems who still think Trump and Putin are buddies and Putin is the reason Trump won in 2016 all fell into line, and we spent billions over a country where the USA has zero vested interests. Of course, Biden had a vested interest in hiding his money laundering.
As I have said countless times, the money spent in Ukraine could have been used to built a nautral gas and water pipeline from Alaska to the West Coast. That is the difference between a Texan and Californian. If I pull up the tap and water does not come out or I flip a switch, and there is no electricity, some pol is out on his ass, and they know it. In California, you come up with some bullshit about EVs, global warming, and Putin as the reason why there is no fucking water, and the dumb Dems eat it up. It is Trump's fault there is no water. Global warming is a Russian plot!
And the money to rebuild California is going to come from all of us not just California itself. Insurance rates are going to rise around the country to pay for this shit. Again, if it is an unpredictable disaster, that is one thing. But maybe, just maybe, you might start to listen to those who defected from the Democrats and why. One example of this type of person is Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan: I talked to a fireman once, this is one of the reasons it freaked me out, and he was telling me, he goes, "Dude, one day," he goes, "It's just going to be the right wind and fire's going to start in the right place and it's going to burn through LA all the way to the ocean, and there's not a fucking thing we can do about it. " I go, "Really?" he goes, "Yeah, we just get lucky. " he goes, "We get lucky with the wind. ".
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Joe Rogan: he goes, "But if the wind hits the wrong way, it's just going to burn straight through LA and there's not going to be a thing we could do about it. " Because these fires are so big, dude. You're talking about thousands of acres that are burning simultaneously with 40 mile an hour winds, and the wind's just blowing embers through the air and those embers are landing on roofs and those houses are going up and they're landing on bushes, and those bushes are going up and everything's dry. And once it happens, it happens in a way where it's so spread out that there's nothing they can do. There's nothing they can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to evacuate, right?
Joe Rogan: Nothing. Nothing they can do.
Of course, having water and not EVs might be something that can be done.
Of all the stupid shit in America, the worst is we have more people in jail than anywhere else. It follows that the reason for that is not that we have more crime but we have more lawyers, and putting people in jail is the ultimate show of power by these fucking attorneys.
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time, and this is why lawyers are such pieces of shit. Jails are supposed to be for people who are a threat to others and they are supposed to be full of guilty criminals. When you go to the time and expense of a trial and come up with some crime no one has ever heard of and you call someone a criminal and do not put him in jail, what the fuck is the point of the legal system supposed to be?
This was not about prosecuting someone who committed a crime and was a threat to society. It was about prosecuting someone who was not liked in one part of the country. If there was any doubt that prosecuting Trump was about trying to use the justice system to rig an election, this should seal it. Just like southern California is suffering because it re-elects pols whose sole qualification is party affiliation, I hope that all the dumb Dems who supported this lawfare crap end up in jail. That would be poetic justice.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2975505]Of all the stupid shit in America, the worst is we have more people in jail than anywhere else. It follows that the reason for that is not that we have more crime but we have more lawyers, and putting people in jail is the ultimate show of power by these fucking attorneys.
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time, and this is why lawyers are such pieces of shit. Jails are supposed to be for people who are a threat to others and they are supposed to be full of guilty criminals. When you go to the time and expense of a trial and come up with some crime no one has ever heard of and you call someone a criminal and do not put him in jail, what the fuck is the point of the legal system supposed to be?
This was not about prosecuting someone who committed a crime and was a threat to society. It was about prosecuting someone who was not liked in one part of the country. If there was any doubt that prosecuting Trump was about trying to use the justice system to rig an election, this should seal it. Just like southern California is suffering because it re-elects pols whose sole qualification is party affiliation, I hope that all the dumb Dems who supported this lawfare crap end up in jail. That would be poetic justice.[/QUOTE]I found this within 10 seconds of typing out, with just one thumb on my smartphone, the obvious Google Search question on the topic:
[B]Trump Formally Convicted But Faces No Punishment.
Jan. 10, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2025/01/10/trump-not-sentenced-to-any-punishments-in-hush-money-criminal-case/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Judge Juan Merchan gave Trump an unconditional discharge meaning his conviction stands, but he wont face any penalties after Trump was found guilty in May on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, letting the president-elect walk free without any punishments.
The sentence falls far short of the maximum penalties that Trump could have faced, as each of his 34 counts was punishable by up to four years in prison and/or a maximum $5,000 fine meaning the harshest sentence could have seen Trump imprisoned for the rest of his life, though that was always unlikely to happen.
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Merchan said last week he was [b]inclined to impose the unconditional discharge sentence given Trumps impending presidency which prosecutors said they would not oppose and all but ruled out giving the president-elect prison time, noting it would not be practicable with Trumps upcoming inauguration.
The judge explained his decision for the lenient sentence on Friday, saying an unconditional discharge is the only lawful sentence that would not encroach upon the highest office in the land, though he made clear his decision is because of Trumps position and not him personally, specifying the protections shielding Trump from legal liability are afforded to the office of the President of the United States and not the occupant of that office.[/b][/QUOTE]And I am adding a link to a reminder of the crimes for which Trump was convicted 34 times since it appears you have lost your memory on that as well as your thumbs:
[B]What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/[/URL]
I hope that helps. Sorry about the loss of your thumbs and your memory.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2975505]Of all the stupid shit in America, the worst is we have more people in jail than anywhere else. It follows that the reason for that is not that we have more crime but we have more lawyers, and putting people in jail is the ultimate show of power by these fucking attorneys.
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time, and this is why lawyers are such pieces of shit. Jails are supposed to be for people who are a threat to others and they are supposed to be full of guilty criminals. When you go to the time and expense of a trial and come up with some crime no one has ever heard of and you call someone a criminal and do not put him in jail, what the fuck is the point of the legal system supposed to be?
This was not about prosecuting someone who committed a crime and was a threat to society. It was about prosecuting someone who was not liked in one part of the country. If there was any doubt that prosecuting Trump was about trying to use the justice system to rig an election, this should seal it. Just like southern California is suffering because it re-elects pols whose sole qualification is party affiliation, I hope that all the dumb Dems who supported this lawfare crap end up in jail. That would be poetic justice.[/QUOTE]Talking about hypocrisy what about Republicans wanting to jail Hunter Biden. Who was he a danger to. It's Felonius Trump who started all of this shit with "lock her up. " What about the thugs who attacked the Capital? They were violent and Trump wants to pardon them.
I am surprised that someone like you is on a site like this. You can't even access porn between consenting adults in states like Florida. Why are you here?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2975505]So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time[/QUOTE]It also pains me that Trump isn't going to serve any jail time in the next 4 years for his multiple criminal offences. Of course, by 2029, your LAS will have likely committed so many new crimes that the law might finally catch up with him, but then his SCOTUS buddies might throw him yet another bone, or his attorneys might get him off on some insane insanity defense, or he might drop dead after his yet another world famous healthy meal. The point is, he's unlikely to spend a day in a prison cell where he's so rightly belongs.
Then again, they wouldn't call him a Teflon Don for nothing, would they? Or was it Gotti?
Anyhoo, fun times ahead. Buckle up!
So when the American Importers of the goods pays the Trump Tariffs before those American business owners immediately pass that tax cost along to other American business owners who will pass it along to American Consumers, there will now be TWO USA Government agencies there to collect it from those American business owners; the USA Treasury Department AND this new and additional Government Agency that Trump wants to set up.
Which will presumably be headed by some Trump Crime Family Member or Trump / Repub Campaign Donor family member particularly adept as skimming.
However, someone should tell them there won't be anything to skim, not so much as a dime or a yen, "from Foreign sources" because, well, that isn't where the Trump Tariffs money comes from. It ain't inside those crates of Chinese-made Trump Bibles.
[B]Trump says he'll create 'External Revenue Service' to collect tariffs.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trump-external-revenue-service-tariffs-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]President-elect Donald Trump promised in a social media post to create an External Revenue Service to collect Tariffs, Duties and all Revenue from Foreign sources.
Trump did not give any more details about the proposed government entity.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently is responsible for collecting tariffs.[/QUOTE]All of which will no doubt pass muster just fine and dandy with the other Trump / Repub NEW and ADDITIONAL Department of Governmrnt Efficiency that is oh so efficiently headed by two, not one, Secretaries.
Got it?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2974949]Are you implying that the LA Fires have something to do with politics. The fires have occurred throughout history from natural and man made causes.
[URL]https://projects.capradio.org/california-fire-history/[/URL]#6/38.58/-121.49.
[/be]Inaccurate[be]!
[QUOTE]From the earliest European visitors to the period of Westward Expansion, white settlers encountered American Indians. Though many of these meetings were peaceful, the cultures more often clashed, resulting in hundreds of battles and skirmishes between the Indians and pioneers encroaching upon their lands, as well as conflicts between the tribes and the USA Army. Though confrontations with the Indians virtually occurred since the first European explorers and settlers set foot on American soil[/QUOTE][URL][URL][URL]https://www.legendsofamerica.com/indian-wars/[/URL][/URL].[/URL]
[be]Atrocities occurred[/be] as they do in an war. But so did slavery and I do not see you complaining about that historical fact.[/QUOTE]Isn t Trump using what s happening around LA for his politics? When my meaning was so many fires can t start just naturally, same like many crazies killing with free weapons, when no more needing to protect versus Indians who were all killed in 19th century, not yesterday. Amazing such a sexual and other criminal like Trump could be elected. I let You imagine how our world, when USA are less than 5% , look at USA, when, same like China, they lower our quality of life, with their low quality products and low demanding level, when only all for money, but what is quality? Still to learn. When tok tok and bouc face are to lower level of our children and also many no brained ones. I fully agree about shame of slavery, when many black were in USA.
[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2975591]Talking about hypocrisy what about Republicans wanting to jail Hunter Biden. Who was he a danger to. It's Felonius Trump who started all of this shit with "lock her up. " What about the thugs who attacked the Capital? They were violent and Trump wants to pardon them.
I am surprised that someone like you is on a site like this. You can't even access porn between consenting adults in states like Florida. Why are you here?[/QUOTE]The protesting J6 crowd was violent? Really? They all forgot their guns at home but gave out some really mean stares? The J6 crowd was the ones police were shooting at.
Ah yes, and we have the typical calling card of the dumb Dem, it is all Trump's fault. He did not prosecute Hilary you fool.
And whose DOJ prosecuted Hunter Biden? Uh, that would be Joe Biden's DOJ.
I never wanted Hilary prosecuted and am glad Trump did not do it, and Hunter Biden's case was Joe Biden's DOJ prosecuting him on something most of us found meaningless. Did you ever think that Joe Biden prosecuted Hunter to keep him under control?
No, everything is the fault of Trump and Republicans. Trump talked with Joe Rogan about how fucking stupid Gavin Newsome was with water management being before any of the fires happened, but you are too dense to believe it. Somehow in your head the fires in LA are the fault of Trump and Republicans.
Thanks for reminding me how foolish you Dems really are.
And why are you here? To make sure your SS check still gets through?
Would be great if no more war in Gaza, stopping killing children. Then, need to create country Palestine, like was Israel.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2975729]The protesting J6 crowd was violent? Really? They all forgot their guns at home but gave out some really mean stares? The J6 crowd was the ones police were shooting at.
Ah yes, and we have the typical calling card of the dumb Dem, it is all Trump's fault. He did not prosecute Hilary you fool.
And whose DOJ prosecuted Hunter Biden? Uh, that would be Joe Biden's DOJ.
I never wanted Hilary prosecuted and am glad Trump did not do it, and Hunter Biden's case was Joe Biden's DOJ prosecuting him on something most of us found meaningless. Did you ever think that Joe Biden prosecuted Hunter to keep him under control?
No, everything is the fault of Trump and Republicans. Trump talked with Joe Rogan about how fucking stupid Gavin Newsome was with water management being before any of the fires happened, but you are too dense to believe it. Somehow in your head the fires in LA are the fault of Trump and Republicans.
Thanks for reminding me how foolish you Dems really are.
And why are you here? To make sure your SS check still gets through?[/QUOTE]Your MAGAs not only didn't forget their guns at home, some slipped them past the metal detectors even before Trump shrugged off staff reports of them bringing their guns with an order to take down the metal detectors because, "They aren't here to hurt ME". Now, that's America First leadership for ya'.
[B]Oath Keepers jury hears about massive weapon cache on Jan. 6[/B]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c[/URL]
[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (AP) A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled to Washington before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol testified Wednesday about a massive cache of weapons the far-right extremist group stashed in a Virginia hotel room.
Taking the stand in the seditious conspiracy case against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates, Terry Cummings showed jurors an AR-15 firearm and an orange box for ammunition that he contributed to the so-called quick reaction force the Oath Keepers had staged at the hotel outside of Washington in case they needed weapons.
[B]"I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military, said Cummings, a veteran who joined the Oath Keepers in Florida in 2020.
Prosecutors have said teams of Oath Keepers guarded the arsenal of firearms and were prepared to rush them into the hands of extremists in the capital if needed.[/b][/QUOTE][B]They're not here to hurt me': Former aide says Trump knew Jan. 6 crowd was armed.
Cassidy Hutchinson described violent outbursts from the former president on Jan. 6[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-panel-looks-trump-white-house-cassidy-hutchinson-testimony-rcna35550[/URL]
However, even your MAGAs naturally assumed no so-called president would be numbskull enough to order the removal of the metal detectors and thereby invite them to bring in their guns. So in addition to stashing their arsenal nearby and at the ready, they brought plenty of other weapons with which to attack and kill cops in their mission to attack and kill VP Pence, Nancy Pelosi and every other duly-elected official they could find and who had not been taken to a secure place by the Capitol police and guards.
Oh, except their and your lord and savior, violent, cop-killing, America-hating, warmongering, Insurrection mob leader Donald Trump, of course.
[B]Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used[/B]
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used[/URL]
[QUOTE]But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: [b]stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.[/b][/QUOTE]Damn. Nobody has ever seen or heard anyone love, embrace and blather out so much revisionist history and blatant, easily debunked lies about everything big and small as you, your MAGAs, your MAGA Leader Trump and all of his ass-licking sycophants.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2975698]I let You imagine how our world, when USA are less than 5% , look at USA, when, same like China, they lower our quality of life, with their low quality products and low demanding level, when only all for money, but what is quality?[/QUOTE][B]You mean you want me to imagine what the world would have looked like if the USA had not brought the full weight of its industrial production and ingenuity into opposition to evil that was prevailing in the world in during World War II[/B]?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2975953][B]You mean you want me to imagine what the world would have looked like if the USA had not brought the full weight of its industrial production and ingenuity into opposition to evil that was prevailing in the world in during World War II[/B]?[/QUOTE]We are now 80 years later. Also, if Europeans didn t sail to America, then still Indians living in peace and no USA. Fact on 2025 is USA elected a sexual criminal who also tried to destroy Capitol and constitution, this is now image for USA: a crazy dangerous shameful senile ugly orange. If he was not so dangerous, we would laugh a lot. About wars, even when losing in Vietnam or Afghanistan, USA always made good business with wars. Deaths for money business.
Many US women seem so scared, buying abortion pills or being operated not to be pregnant, before arrival of the senile orange devil. How is it possible? USA being a third world country for women freedom.
Funny, all over Western Europe, many people want to sell their Tesla, because they feel shameful about hysteric jumping monkey Musk. With criminal orange, both make USA image really down in the world. I find funny how people look at me when I say I don t want to buy a chinese phone or electric car because of chinese government, the country of lies and shame for me, and of course because I find shit quality. I also won t buy USA products because of Trump and Musk, when I think our world miss a real man, not a dangerous clown, like Obama, for a more peaceful world we need. USA have to understand they are less than 5% on our common planet which is already very sick and I would worry for children with bullshits on tok tok, bouc face, to lower their brain level and pollution making more and more problems. But senile Trump is not able to understand this.
Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2975847]Cassidy Hutchinson described violent outbursts from the former president on Jan. 6[/QUOTE]LOL. And she has been proven to be such a liar there are some calling for her to be prosecuted for perjury. Pepper spray? Stun guns? Yeah, how many women carry those on them all the time? Unknown liquid? Oh, that is a great reason to shoot someone.
And more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks?
And where is the video footage of all this? I would love for you to prove that spinal disks were shattered at J6 and not due to arthritis.
You must have missed the fact that there were FBI agents instigating a huge part of this (but it was always just Trump) and the police opening up gates and showing people around. Even now there are people in jail who were not violent and have not been charged with a crime. If you were involved in any part of J6, even being peaceful as Trump told protestors to be, there is a good chance you are in jail. That is Democratic party justice.
So while you Dems were off wasting taxpayer dollars on "violent" offenders, whatever the hell that means, and your buddy is bitching about not being able to watch porn, it may have slipped your mind that the trivial event of your beloved People's Republic of California is burning to a crisp.
Like I said, all you fools care about is banging broads abroad, and that those SS checks keep coming in and you believe Republicans are a threat to your government checks. You are completely out of touch with why Trump won.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2976156]Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.[/QUOTE]Why not call him a grownup?
Why capitalize "Adults"?
When I see capitalized "Adult" in the middle of a sentence, I always expect to see other words around it, like "entertainment" or at least XXX.
Is it your subconscious talking? I mean calling this perpetually silly, petty, vengeful, thin-skinned, lying, elderly man-child narcissist an adult must be a huge affront to the part of your psyche that's responsible for basic intelligence, no matter how deep inside you're trying to bury it.
I am sure his numbers will turnaround like nobody has ever seen by 12 Noon on January 21 after the price of eggs, gas and rent plummets and all those cop-attacking and killing Trump "patriots" that everyone saw on video rioting and invading the Capitol in Trump's Violent War Against America On American Soil are pardoned and released.
[B]Trump's Approval Ratings Are Underwater And He's Not Inaugurated Yet[/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2025/01/approval-ratings-are-underwater-and-hes[/URL]
[QUOTE]As Donald Trump prepares to take the oath of office for a second time, he claims to have a massive mandate to enact his destructive agenda. But new polling shows thats far from the truth.
A NPR/PBS News/Marist College poll released Wednesday shows that just 44% of Americans view Trump favorably, while 49% view him unfavorably. Thats nearly identical to the 45% approval rating Trump has in Civiqs tracking poll.
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The NPR/PBS News/Marist College poll has other warning signs for Trump.
Just 31% of Americans say the tariff policy Trump plans to enact would help the economy. That should be a flashing red warning light for Trump, showing that Americans will likely blame him if those tariffs cause prices to skyrocket, as economists expect.
Whats more, 62% of Americans oppose Trumps plan to pardon people who either pleaded guilty or were convicted of crimes for their role in the insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2976191]LOL. And she has been proven to be such a liar there are some calling for her to be prosecuted for perjury. Pepper spray? Stun guns? Yeah, how many women carry those on them all the time? Unknown liquid? Oh, that is a great reason to shoot someone.
And more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks?
And where is the video footage of all this? I would love for you to prove that spinal disks were shattered at J6 and not due to arthritis.
You must have missed the fact that there were FBI agents instigating a huge part of this (but it was always just Trump) and the police opening up gates and showing people around. Even now there are people in jail who were not violent and have not been charged with a crime. If you were involved in any part of J6, even being peaceful as Trump told protestors to be, there is a good chance you are in jail. That is Democratic party justice.
So while you Dems were off wasting taxpayer dollars on "violent" offenders, whatever the hell that means, and your buddy is bitching about not being able to watch porn, it may have slipped your mind that the trivial event of your beloved People's Republic of California is burning to a crisp.
Like I said, all you fools care about is banging broads abroad, and that those SS checks keep coming in and you believe Republicans are a threat to your government checks. You are completely out of touch with why Trump won.[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w?si=HvlukBjpRvvY55aJ[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?si=yRkxhqnDEfw-aXIR[/URL]
Now, please provide the links for these Trumpster Liars claiming there is any reason to prosecute Cassidy Huthinson.
Seriously, this pathological, constant lying about everything big and small by Trump, you and your fellow MAGAs is destroying America.
Please, for the sake of America, stop doing it. Thank you.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2976156]Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.[/QUOTE]Haven't seen you around Bangkok lately.
You know, international travel is possible and more affordable now that Biden-Harris and the Dems have recovered America and the rest of the world from the historic catastrophe of Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Mass Murder of 1 Million plus Americans, Trump's Massive Jobs Destruction of Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, Trump's Global Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Worldwide Economic Disaster, Trump's Hyper-Inflation, Trump's Business and School Closures, Trump's Crippling of International Travel and Mongering.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2976156]Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.[/QUOTE]I wish he won t live for 4 more years and same for his twin who hold his balls in his hand, Putin. Canada and Greenland have to resist to him, like Ukraine which resist since 3 years. When good point, Biden try to forbid full of bullshits tok tok making no brained even more stupid, let s see if orange will accept to lose his 15 millions no brained followers. I m sad for US women rights to choose about pregnancy, when women can choose in modern countries.
[B]Trump will soon be the first Pro Crypto President in the history of the United States of America[/B]!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976270]Haven't seen you around Bangkok lately.
You know, international travel is possible and more affordable now that Biden-Harris and the Dems have recovered America and the rest of the world from the historic catastrophe of Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Mass Murder of 1 Million plus Americans, Trump's Massive Jobs Destruction of Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, Trump's Global Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Worldwide Economic Disaster, Trump's Hyper-Inflation, Trump's Business and School Closures, Trump's Crippling of International Travel and Mongering.[/QUOTE]The rest of the world doesn't like him for the same reasons you don't, he is great for America and bad for them.
He will make many of them to pay more for their defense like the free loaders in Seoul and in Brussels.
And that free $1,000,000,000,000 in trade isn't going to be so free anymore.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/14/business/china-trade-surplus-trump.html[/URL]
China's $1 Trillion Trade Surplus: What to Know as Trump Takes Office.
Only a third of China's trade surplus was with the United States, and only a third of the USA Deficit was with China. That makes for tricky math for the president-elect.
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China's record trade surplus of almost $1 trillion last year has a nearly perfect mirror image on the other side of the world: an American trade deficit last year that is expected to clock in at around $1 trillion.
But only a third of China's surplus was with the United States. And only a third of the American trade deficit was with China.
That tricky math awaits President-elect Donald J. Trump, who will take office on Monday promising tariffs to reduce America's trade deficits. Raising taxes only on goods from China may do little to whittle down the overall USA Trade imbalance.
Countries around the world are also running big trade surpluses with the United States nothing on the scale of China's, but they are adding up. Other countries need trade surpluses with the United States to pay for their own trade deficits with China.
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If the Trump administration raises tariffs only on China, the United States may find itself with bigger trade deficits with other countries as American companies import from them instead. But raising tariffs on imports from a wide range of countries could hit American allies.
Running a very large trade deficit in manufactured goods, as the United States has been doing for decades, has eliminated well-paid jobs and weakened the country's base for military production. But the big trade deficit also has meant that American consumers have enjoyed low prices. Many consumers may be hesitant to give that up by paying higher prices for imported cars, smartphones and other products if Mr. Trump imposes broad tariffs.
China faces a different problem: its people could enjoy a better lifestyle if its workers produced more for domestic markets and less for exports.
But helping China's consumers afford more of their own country's production would require shifting government spending away from the country's military and security apparatus and state-owned enterprises and toward the meager social safety net. It might also require steps like cutting China's 13 percent national sales tax, as well as other consumption taxes on imported luxuries, like big American cars. Beijing has been wary of such measures.
In the meantime, China's extraordinary volume of exports up more than 12 percent last year is swamping overall world trade.
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"That isn't sustainable," said Brad Setser, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "Chinese exports cannot grow by 12 percent when global trade is only growing by 3 percent without cutting deeply into other countries' export sectors. ".
Across Europe, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Oceania, countries depend on buying cars, household appliances, consumer electronics and other manufactured goods from China. To obtain the dollars they need to buy these goods from China, these other countries sell everything from Mercedes cars to cheap T-shirts to the United States.
The European Union, for example, buys $2 worth of goods from China for each $1 of goods that it sells to China. That left the European Union with a $247 billion trade deficit with China last year, while the E. You. Ran an estimated $240 billion surplus with the United States.
For developing countries, the discrepancies are even more pronounced, except for a handful of exporters of oil and other natural resources that run trade surpluses with China. African nations as a group buy about $3 worth of goods from China for each $2 of goods they sell to China. They then mostly reverse that ratio in their trade with the United States.
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Most of China's imports are oil and other natural resources. But 98.9 percent of its exports last year were manufactured goods.
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A factory making high-end thread in Zaozhuang, China. Last year, 98.9 percent of China's exports were manufactured goods. Credit. Agence France-Presse Getty Images.
Countries with few natural resources to sell end up with especially large imbalances with China. Kenya bought $35 worth of goods last year from China for each $1 of goods that it sold to China. Because Kenya's trade is roughly in balance with the United States, it has ended up borrowing heavily to raise the money to pay for imports from China and is now heavily indebted, like many developing countries.
The United States Department of Commerce will release final trade statistics for 2024 in early February. But trends in American trade are clear from statistics that cover all of last year except December.
China announced last month that it was eliminating all tariffs for imports from dozens of the world's poorest countries. But because China is strong in practically every manufacturing industry, eliminating tariffs on imports from the poorest countries may not make much difference in trade flows. Chinese customs officials spoke at a news briefing on Monday about steps like importing more fish and bananas.
If the Trump administration raises tariffs while China is cutting them, many other countries could respond angrily. China has been trying to move beyond its core group of closely aligned nations like Russia, Iran and North Korea to woo developing nations through its Belt and Road Initiative. China has also attempted to earn revenue, and good will, from European and East Asian nations through visa-free tourism programs.
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At the root of the difficult choices ahead for China and the United States lies a big difference: savings rates. Households in China are saving more, and spending little on imports, because they have lost much of their net worth after a housing market crash wiped out more wealth than the American housing market crash in 2008 and 2009. But Americans as a whole are saving very little, while effectively borrowing money through big trade deficits with the rest of the world.
Chinese officials and economists say they believe there is a better answer than tariffs: more Chinese investment in building factories in the United States.
But lawmakers in Congress and in state governments have been mostly hostile to that solution, even imposing new legal limits in the past couple years on Chinese investments in the United States.
Li You contributed research.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976267]I am sure his numbers will turnaround like nobody has ever seen by 12 Noon on January 21 after the price of eggs, gas and rent plummets and all those cop-attacking and killing Trump "patriots" that everyone saw on video rioting and invading the Capitol in Trump's Violent War Against America On American Soil are pardoned and released.
[B]Trump's Approval Ratings Are Underwater And He's Not Inaugurated Yet[/B]
[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2025/01/approval-ratings-are-underwater-and-hes[/URL][/QUOTE]Funny, none of his delusional groupies has ever asked a simple question: Why their LAS didn't pardon the insurrectionists 4 years ago. What stopped him back then, LOL?
Trump invited only extremists politics for tomorrow? Real good image. Fortunately, he didn t succeed to destroy Capitol 4 years ago, Biden should give him a democraty and cleverness lesson tomorrow, or Orange and extremists should stay in cold tomorrow. Weather is cold to see Trump back, when he is a criminal. Make USA image so bad again.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976268][URL]https://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w?si=HvlukBjpRvvY55aJ[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?si=yRkxhqnDEfw-aXIR[/URL][/QUOTE]I did not ask to see videos of a bunch of lunatics saying dumb shit. I asked to see a video of officers being injured. I saw NONE of that. And before that, you dumb Dems lied about all these police being killed on January 6 where the only person who died was shot by police.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976268]Now, please provide the links for these Trumpster Liars claiming there is any reason to prosecute Cassidy Huthinson.[/QUOTE]Are you fucking kidding me? [URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/j6-committee-star-witness-cassidy-hutchinson-caught-new/[/URL].
1.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump attempted to grab the steering wheel of "the beast" and wrestle control from the Secret Service on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump was not in "the beast" on January 6th.
Truth: Secret Service agents willing to testify against this ridiculous lie by young Cassidy. It never happened.
2.) Cassiday Hutchinson said President Trump grabbed the neck area of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel.
Truth: Bobby Engel willing to testify this was a lie.
3.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump broke dishes and flipped tablecloths on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump refutes the nonsensical claim.
4.) Cassidy Hutchinson claimed to have written a handwritten note on January 6th.
Truth: Former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann wrote the note and testified to this fact under oath previously before the committee.
5.) Cassidy Hutchinson said her boss Mark Meadows called Roger Stone on January 5th to find out what would play out the next day on January 6th.
Truth: Roger Stone has never spoken to Mark Meadows outside of a conversation they held in a green room in 2019.
6.) Cassidy Hutchinson said Mark Meadows spoke with General Flynn on January 5th.
Truth: General Flynn has never had a phone conversation with Mark Meadows.
7.) Cassidy Hutchinson said General Flynn and Roger Stone participated by phone in a briefing in the war room in the Willard Hotel with Mark Meadows on January 5th.
Truth: Did not happen. Stone and Flynn have not spoken with Meadows on the phone, ever.
8.) Cassidy Hutchinson said Jeffrey Clark met with Rudy Giuliani and Trump campaign at White House.
Truth: This is false. They've never met or communicated.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976268]Seriously, this pathological, constant lying about everything big and small by Trump[/QUOTE]Let me recount the lies you have hold: multiple police officers died from J6 protestors. That is false. Backs being injured, eyes being gouged, ribs being cracked and you have ZERO evidence of any of that. Cassidy Hutchison is not a proven liar. Thanks to Democrats, Calirorinia is a socialist paradise.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976268]you and your fellow MAGAs is destroying America.
Please, for the sake of America, stop doing it. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Trump and Joe Rogan literally outline how fires are going to destroy LA, and your sorry lying ass goes to J6 and MAGA and Cassidy Hutchison. Given that you live in Thailand, the only thing you care about Loony Tooms is that America keeps sending you checks. That is what your plea is about. You do not give a fuck about America literally burning down.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976270]Haven't seen you around Bangkok lately.
You know, international travel is possible and more affordable now that Biden-Harris and the Dems have recovered America and the rest of the world from the historic catastrophe of Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Mass Murder of 1 Million plus Americans, Trump's Massive Jobs Destruction of Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, Trump's Global Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Worldwide Economic Disaster, Trump's Hyper-Inflation, Trump's Business and School Closures, Trump's Crippling of International Travel and Mongering.[/QUOTE]Travel more affordable, are you smoking crack. From the east coast to Manila 2000 k range or more, before that idiot Biden 1500 or less. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of those remarks, you democrat's are delusional or smoking something.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2976497]Funny, none of his delusional groupies has ever asked a simple question: Why their LAS didn't pardon the insurrectionists 4 years ago. What stopped him back then, LOL?[/QUOTE]Another problem; I am a landlord. I have no intention of reducing the rent on my property simply because some Orange Clown made an empty promise to make that happen and the numbskull suckers who voted for him believed it.
I will only reduce the rent when Trump produces his usual Repub magic result of crashing the economy, wiping out millions upon millions of jobs and nobody can afford to pay the rent they could easily afford to pay when Dems like JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden were producing record high numbers of jobs, wages were increasing, stock markets were booming without multiple Bear Market declines and there were no "Once in 100 Years" disasters or Wars Against America On American Soil raging.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2976451]The rest of the world doesn't like him for the same reasons you don't, he is great for America and bad for them.[/QUOTE]Hey Marquise, just curious: What's your take on the restoration of the Chinese spying app?
And what's Trump's take, you'd say?
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/opinion/donald-trump-tech-musk-bannon.html[/URL]
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Jan. 18,2025.
On Sunday evening, the night before Donald Trump's second inauguration, scores of "luminaries from across the New Right" are expected to gather for a dinner and gala called the Coronation Ball at the Watergate Hotel. The event is being hosted by the young right-wing publishing house Passage Press, known for publishing the "neo-reactionary" writer Curtis Yarvin one of the earliest of those luminaries, most famous for advocating a monarchy "run like a startup. ".
Today, this upstart coalition of thinkers may be best described simply as the intellectual wing of Trumpism. "Celebrate the inauguration of Donald J. Trump," the publishing house announced, "with the people and organizations that will shape the culture in his second term. ".
The ball will celebrate more than the re-coronation of a president. It seems intended to mark the ascent of a new counterelite with aspirations to supplant the existing establishment in everything from high politics to business and culture. But this is a loose alliance, colored by rivalries and complex divisions. It has brought together people who previously had little in common. Word had it that Marc Andreessen, the billionaire venture capitalist, would be at the ball. Steve Bannon, avowed enemy of the Silicon Valley billionaire class, was to be a keynote speaker.
Many guests were a bit nervy about outfits and expectations. They would also be navigating these fissures within Mr. Trump's coalition. Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Bannon stand on either side of the biggest of these divides and the one presenting the greatest challenge for Mr. Trump's governing project.
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It's a gap in worldviews that went overlooked in the heady days of the campaign. When Elon Musk endorsed Mr. Trump, putting a great deal of personal money and energy into the project of MAGA populism, he joined figures like the venture capitalist and podcaster David Sacks and the crypto exchange founder Tyler Winklevoss in what represents one of the most surprising and disruptive alliances in American political history. Tech emerged as an alternate power center to the Republican establishment. Silicon Valley money filled in for dollars lost from the traditional donor class. As the presidential transition took shape, tech figures stepped in to supply "elite human capital," as they put it, to staff the new administration. All the biggest tech companies made sure to offer a $1 million tribute to help fund the inauguration.
But the core of the aspiring Trumpian aristocracy are still reactionaries and nationalists aching to restore an American way of life thought to be lost after decades of "globalist" technocracy. They are often deeply skeptical of the idea that the innovations promised by tech companies represent progress, and they describe America as "not just a country, not just an economy, but a people with a common history," as Jeremy Carl, a deputy assistant secretary of the interior in the first Trump administration and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, told me. The tech figures who came to the movement in 2024 were often sympathetic to Trumpian nationalism. But they tended to be more interested in making money and launching a new era of "American dynamism. ".
Over Christmas, a bilious debate over the federal H-1 be visa program which brings in approximately 85,000 foreign workers, most of them Indian and most of them working in tech unfolded on Mr. Musk's X. It first erupted on Dec. 23, after Mr. Trump appointed an Indian-born venture capitalist named Sriram Krishnan to work with Mr. Sacks, who is set to be the administration's "crypto and A. I. Czar. ".
The MAGA influencer Laura Loomer quickly found a post in which Mr. Krishnan had called for removing caps on how many green cards can be awarded to applicants from individual countries, and for expanding "skilled immigration. " In a separate post on X, Ms. Loomer described it as an effort to welcome "third-world invaders from India," said "our country was built by white Europeans," and mocked Indians as defecating "in the water they bathe and drink from. " Mr. Sacks came out to defend Mr. Krishnan, and the fight spiraled over Christmas. By early January, it had started to look like an epochal battle within America's new ruling coalition.
Mr. Musk, whose companies benefited from the visa program, initially threatened to go to "war" on the subject, "the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. " But he seemed shaken by the backlash from the MAGA base. Thousands upon thousands of erstwhile fans were rising up online to denounce him as a traitor or a globalist, more concerned with his profit margins than the fate of the nation.
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The trouble between the two camps will now be an unavoidable undertone at the inauguration. "Be there," Passage Press teased online for its inauguration event, "as MAGA meets the Tech Right. ".
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The debate has genuinely high stakes, heading in the first days of a wildly ambitious presidential administration. People like Mr. Bannon see the Tech Right almost as an existential enemy to the natural human order they wanted to restore. More moderate allies on the MAGA side just hope to keep things calm and friendly. If a true conflict emerges, Mr. Trump himself might well end up siding with the part of the coalition that offers vast supplies of cash and new friends socializing and scheming with him down at Mar-a-Lago.
The coalition is achingly close to achieving a long-held conservative dream of fashioning a high-low alliance powerful enough to supplant the liberal establishment and remake America. It is a project that might well collapse if one side or the other gets too much of what it wants, and ends up driving the other away.
So there is a new sense of gravity when you talk to people who want to hold the coalition together. In 2017, the rough equivalent of the Coronation Ball had been the gaudy DeploraBall. Now people would be wearing black tie. "Before we were the outsiders looking in, and now we're walking in the front door," the podcaster Jack Posobiec told Politico. "Because this is a regime change. ".
Earlier this month, Breitbart published an article that seemed calculated to make the dissonance between MAGA and the Tech Right into a real, and perhaps irreconcilable, split. It included translated snippets of an interview in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera in which Mr. Bannon who retains a huge amount of influence in both the incoming Trump administration and the wider MAGA sphere presents himself as an uncompromising chief of the "nationalist-populist" core of Trumpism.
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In the article, Mr. Bannon "declared war" on Mr. Musk, and by extension the whole set of tech barons who had gained such influence in the Trump sphere. "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration Day," he said, calling him a "truly evil guy. " "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I'm not prepared to tolerate it anymore. ".
This challenge was widely seen as a new cycle in the H-1 be visa wars. But when I called him, Mr. Bannon articulated a very different and bigger reason for his challenge. I asked him if he saw the same deep-level philosophical tension I did. "A tension?" he asked. "I would almost argue it's an unbridgeable gap. ".
He named a roster of major figures on the tech right whom he saw as enemies: Mr. Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the neo-monarchist writer Mr. Yarvin, and Balaji Srinivasan, an investor and technologist who promotes the idea of "network states," new countries run on blockchain.
Mr. Bannon accused the tech barons of promoting "technofeudalism" and "transhumanism" bending human life into technologized and unnatural new forms. "This thing is all tied together," he said. "They have a very well thought through philosophy and a very well thought through set of ideas, and they're trying to implement that. And to me, everybody's afraid, everybody's scared because of their power.
"I'm a populist-nationalist, and I'm dug in on this," he said. "I know I can take them on. " he had already seen criticism. "Everybody's coming to me to say, 'You can't do this. Isn't it going to show a rift?' I said, 'What do you mean a rift? It's better to get it out now. '.
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To Mr. Bannon, this chasm went deeper than some small-bore spat about visas. "These people are technofeudalists, and it's a dangerous, dangerous thing," he said. "Here's what I'm glad about. It's going to be the populist-nationalist movement that'll take them on and break them. Because quite frankly, the established order is too gutless. The established order will go with anything that keeps their privileges. ".
This disconnect between MAGA and the Tech Right has deep philosophical roots. The political theorist Patrick Deneen, in his book "Regime Change," makes a point about the American right that has been plainly true for decades that for most of modern history it has not actually been a conservative movement. He calls Republicans of the Liz Cheney or George W. Bush mold "right-liberals" and argues that their "unwavering support for a free market, ideally unhindered by regulation and political limits, frequently resulted in economic disruptions and dizzying change that undermined the stability of the very social institutions that conservatives claimed to prize. ".
In a widely read 2022 essay titled "Why Conservatism Failed," a young Catholic University of America assistant professor named Jonathan Askonas sharpened this point. He described how the old Republican guard failed to account for the power of technology, as they claimed to be standing for the American flag and family.
"When you descend from lofty rhetoric about 'traditions' and 'values, he wrote, "a huge number of the actual practices and social institutions which built those virtues have disintegrated, not because of progressivism or socialism but because of the new environment and political economy generated by technology. ".
When I spoke to Mr. Carl, the former Trump administration official, he brought up an infamous interjection into the visa debate by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wrote a very long post on X in December describing an American culture that "has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long" and extolling "nerdiness. " "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ," he said, "or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers. ".
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The response was savage. Everything he posted in the days afterward continued to be flooded with vitriolic and often racist mockery, bringing back up the H-1 be debate, and coloring him an enemy of the movement.
Mr. Carl is the author of a book called "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. " So it's pretty obvious which side he falls on in these debates. But he's intent on keeping the coalition together. "That post was silly," he told me. Even so, he didn't think Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy should be viewed as enemies.
"The thing about Elon," Mr. Carl said, "is that it's not really clear what he thinks. " Mr. Musk had defended the H-1 be program by arguing that America needed to attract the "top. 1 percent of engineering talent. " But he had also just waded into politics in Britain and Germany, where he'the promoted parties like the more-or-less openly ethnonationalist Alternative for Germany. "So that would seem to contradict what it looked like he was saying in the immigration debate here," Mr. Carl said. "It might be that he kind of picked this fight as a way of showing he has complex views. ".
On the flip side, some people have ended up finding a place in this new counterestablishment without even being necessarily conservative. "We're all really trying for the same basic American dream sorts of things," said Julie Fredrickson, a venture capitalist who backs crypto startups. A friend of Mr. Carl's, she is also a kindred spirit with prominent figures on the tech right.
Ms. Fredrickson describes herself as a liberal, but she has grown increasingly frustrated by a federal government that she believes acts almost like a "moat," preserving the power of huge established interests over both smaller businesses and technological innovation: big banks over crypto, giant, inefficient defense contractors over the new military-tech startups emerging in Southern California, oil and gas production over companies like a small-scale nuclear startup she'the just invested in.
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To her, the H-1 be issue was just another example of the basic problem that had driven the Tech Right toward Mr. Trump. Small companies, she said, rarely managed to navigate the visa system. "That's the area in which both MAGA and tech really agree," she said. The current system only helps "the multinational consulting corporations that are using it. ".
She was still leery of the anti-immigrant talk that had emerged in the debates. "We should want the 1 percent minds," she said. "And I mean that partially from a security state perspective, because I'm terrified by the prospect of China winning on that. I do actually think that 'yeah, I want to win' is a stronger message than 'I want to do it with only people that look like me. '" She was voicing the twinned sense of possibility and frustration animating the Tech Right today: "Can we just get back to winning?
When I spoke to Mr. Bannon, he articulated a criticism of the tech world that, perhaps surprisingly, is one that at least some right-wing tech figures share: "We haven't created anything on the technology side like the airplane or the internal combustion engine or the steam engine or anything big," he said. "It's all been algorithms. ".
Peter Thiel, who emerged in 2016 as the first prominent tech billionaire to back Mr. Trump, has described to me his view that technologies like social media or smartphones can offer an illusion of progress while offering dubious benefits, at best, to the world at large. After Mr. Trump's first win, he led a quickly abandoned effort to begin dismantling the regulatory state.
But Mr. Thiel ended up largely sitting out of the 2024 election, skeptical that a second Trump administration could carry out a serious project to remake American governance. Now Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are leading a much higher-profile effort, through what they call the department of government efficiency.
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Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are both slightly comic public figures, prone to dopamine-addled mucking-about in arguments on X. The outsize attention they draw can end up obscuring the complicated interplay between the imperatives of MAGA and the Tech Right.
"I think the Tech Right is going to win in the short-term," said Razib Khan, a geneticist and tech consultant who is friendly with many figures in both the MAGA and Tech Right spheres. As he saw it, the talent and money were mostly on the side of tech.
"The Tech Right is pro-American," he said. But it's pro-American in the sense that they see America as "an empire that takes over the world and goes interplanetary. " This was too rationalist of an approach for many on the MAGA side, which is shaped in large part by Christian faith and, at least for some, a belief that America should be a homeland for "heritage Americans" of Northern European extraction. They are "not excited about the American Empire," he said, or racing into space. They care more about the values of a "pre-1960's America, the values of a Western civilization. ".
Both sides see their path as the best approach to make America more dynamic the MAGA intellectuals through a hoped-for "refounding" that would restore a sense of national identity and purpose, and the Tech Right through drawing the best talent from a worldwide pool, and letting competition and capitalism rip.
Mr. Trump himself has kept something like a kingly remove from the early squabbles of the aristocracy emerging in his shadow. His vice president, JD Vance, might be able to act as an intermediary between these rival wings. A former venture capitalist married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, he nonetheless adopted the populist-nationalist style of politics.
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"he probably leans more towards the populists," Mr. Khan said, "but the dude cooks vegetarian food and hangs out with Indians all the time. " Mr. Vance has a foot, and many friends, in both worlds and a strong political interest in bridging the gap. "I feel like he's the one that can keep the energy going, and go between the two," Mr. Khan said. "And I don't think either side will totally win. ".
Mr. Vance once told me that he thought something "genuinely, seriously bad," was coming to America, unless conservatives could "assemble a coalition of populists and traditionalists that can actually overthrow the ruling class. " The MAGA sphere has now managed to draw some of the richest people on earth into this project, with figures like Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Musk casting themselves as unlikely allies in a populist overthrow of the American elite.
For now, some within Mr. Trump's orbit are happy to give them a chance. But others are already looking toward a struggle to decide who really holds the power as their revolution gets underway. "It's time to have the debate," Mr. Bannon told me. "You've got to hit them while you're strong. ".
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Sad day for our world, for senile orange Trump and his fool Musk. Only funny will be how Trump is so scared of China, but still allowing tok tok, when USA justice forbidded, but Trump doesn t respect justice, when he is known as a criminal.
[QUOTE=Locamotive;2976667]Travel more affordable, are you smoking crack. From the east coast to Manila 2000 k range or more, before that idiot Biden 1500 or less. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of those remarks, you democrat's are delusional or smoking something.[/QUOTE]Sitting at home whining and crying over trannies and imaginary caravans of illegal aliens coming to rape and pillage was probably not the best investment of anyone's time during the historic Bidenomics years:
[B]Americans are on track to set another record for holiday travel, topping the bar set in 2019.
Dec. 20, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://fortune.com/2024/12/20/americans-another-record-holiday-travel-topping-2019/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2976760]Sad day for our world, for senile orange Trump and his fool Musk. Only funny will be how Trump is so scared of China, but still allowing tok tok, when USA justice forbidded, but Trump doesn t respect justice, when he is known as a criminal.[/QUOTE]China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and India are very excited about Trump's plans to put Their Countries First in line for goodies and sugar plums.
America and the Western Alliance? Not so much:
[B]As America braces for Trump 2.0, here's how the world views his return.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/how-the-rest-of-the-world-feels-as-trump-is-inaugurated.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]"Trumps return is lamented by Americas long-term allies, but almost nobody else, the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank said as it published a global poll that found that people in China and Russia were more optimistic about Trumps return to power than long-standing allies in Europe and Asia.
..........
U.S. allies in Europe and South Korea are notably pessimistic about the incoming president suggesting a further weakening of the geopolitical West, it added.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2976651]I did not ask to see videos of a bunch of lunatics saying dumb shit. I asked to see a video of officers being injured. I saw NONE of that. And before that, you dumb Dems lied about all these police being killed on January 6 where the only person who died was shot by police.
Are you fucking kidding me? [URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/j6-committee-star-witness-cassidy-hutchinson-caught-new/[/URL].
1.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump attempted to grab the steering wheel of "the beast" and wrestle control from the Secret Service on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump was not in "the beast" on January 6th.
Truth: Secret Service agents willing to testify against this ridiculous lie by young Cassidy. It never happened.
2.) Cassiday Hutchinson said President Trump grabbed the neck area of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel.
Truth: Bobby Engel willing to testify this was a lie.
3.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump broke dishes and flipped tablecloths on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump refutes the nonsensical claim.
4.) Cassidy Hutchinson claimed to have written a handwritten note on January 6th..[/QUOTE]I asked you to provide a link to the Trumpster liars who claim Hutchinson ought to be indicted and you certainly complied!
Thanks.
Got anybody who testified under Oath rather than blathering on Xitter and over drinks at The Gateway Pundit providing proof of actual indictable statements?
[B]What we know about the 5 deaths in the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol.
Jan. 8, 2021[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-mob-deaths/index.html[/URL]
BTW, why do you MAGAs hate the police so much?
[B]DOJ finds police officers suicide after Jan. 6 attack was a death in the line of duty.
Aug. 19, 2023[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-finds-officers-suicide-jan-6-was-death-line-duty-rcna100648[/URL]
[B]Police union says 140 officers injured in Capitol riot.
January 27, 2021[/B]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-union-says-140-officers-injured-in-capitol-riot/2021/01/27/60743642-60e2-11eb-9430-e7c77b5b0297_story.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers union said.
I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries, Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2976857]China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and India are very excited about Trump's plans to put Their Countries First in line for goodies and sugar plums.
America and the Western Alliance? Not so much:
[B]As America braces for Trump 2.0, here's how the world views his return.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/how-the-rest-of-the-world-feels-as-trump-is-inaugurated.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]Putin hold Trump balls in his hand and China will play with him when he shows how he is weak not to forbid tok tok like decided USA justice, but Trump don t respect justice. So ridiculous, he did dare to swear on bible to respect constitution he fucked 4 years ago. Fortunately for him, USA are no brained and don t even remember. Devil fucking god.
The worthless turd has been flushed.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2976680][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/opinion/donald-trump-tech-musk-bannon.html[/URL]
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By James Pogue.
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Jan. 18,2025.
On Sunday evening, the night before Donald Trump's second inauguration, scores of "luminaries from across the New Right" are expected to gather for a dinner and gala called the Coronation Ball at the Watergate Hotel. The event is being hosted by the young right-wing publishing house Passage Press, known for publishing the "neo-reactionary" writer Curtis Yarvin one of the earliest of those luminaries, most famous for advocating a monarchy "run like a startup. ".
Today, this upstart coalition of thinkers may be best described simply as the intellectual wing of Trumpism. "Celebrate the inauguration of Donald J. Trump," the publishing house announced, "with the people and organizations that will shape the culture in his second term. ".
The ball will celebrate more than the re-coronation of a president. It seems intended to mark the ascent of a new counterelite with aspirations to supplant the existing establishment in everything from high politics to business and culture. But this is a loose alliance, colored by rivalries and complex divisions. It has brought together people who previously had little in common. Word had it that Marc Andreessen, the billionaire venture capitalist, would be at the ball. Steve Bannon, avowed enemy of the Silicon Valley billionaire class, was to be a keynote speaker.
Many guests were a bit nervy about outfits and expectations. They would also be navigating these fissures within Mr. Trump's coalition. Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Bannon stand on either side of the biggest of these divides and the one presenting the greatest challenge for Mr. Trump's governing project.
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It's a gap in worldviews that went overlooked in the heady days of the campaign. When Elon Musk endorsed Mr. Trump, putting a great deal of personal money and energy into the project of MAGA populism, he joined figures like the venture capitalist and podcaster David Sacks and the crypto exchange founder Tyler Winklevoss in what represents one of the most surprising and disruptive alliances in American political history. Tech emerged as an alternate power center to the Republican establishment. Silicon Valley money filled in for dollars lost from the traditional donor class. As the presidential transition took shape, tech figures stepped in to supply "elite human capital," as they put it, to staff the new administration. All the biggest tech companies made sure to offer a $1 million tribute to help fund the inauguration.
But the core of the aspiring Trumpian aristocracy are still reactionaries and nationalists aching to restore an American way of life thought to be lost after decades of "globalist" technocracy. They are often deeply skeptical of the idea that the innovations promised by tech companies represent progress, and they describe America as "not just a country, not just an economy, but a people with a common history," as Jeremy Carl, a deputy assistant secretary of the interior in the first Trump administration and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, told me. The tech figures who came to the movement in 2024 were often sympathetic to Trumpian nationalism. But they tended to be more interested in making money and launching a new era of "American dynamism. ".
Over Christmas, a bilious debate over the federal H-1 be visa program which brings in approximately 85,000 foreign workers, most of them Indian and most of them working in tech unfolded on Mr. Musk's X. It first erupted on Dec. 23, after Mr. Trump appointed an Indian-born venture capitalist named Sriram Krishnan to work with Mr. Sacks, who is set to be the administration's "crypto and A. I. Czar. ".
The MAGA influencer Laura Loomer quickly found a post in which Mr. Krishnan had called for removing caps on how many green cards can be awarded to applicants from individual countries, and for expanding "skilled immigration. " In a separate post on X, Ms. Loomer described it as an effort to welcome "third-world invaders from India," said "our country was built by white Europeans," and mocked Indians as defecating "in the water they bathe and drink from. " Mr. Sacks came out to defend Mr. Krishnan, and the fight spiraled over Christmas. By early January, it had started to look like an epochal battle within America's new ruling coalition.
Mr. Musk, whose companies benefited from the visa program, initially threatened to go to "war" on the subject, "the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. " But he seemed shaken by the backlash from the MAGA base. Thousands upon thousands of erstwhile fans were rising up online to denounce him as a traitor or a globalist, more concerned with his profit margins than the fate of the nation.
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The trouble between the two camps will now be an unavoidable undertone at the inauguration. "Be there," Passage Press teased online for its inauguration event, "as MAGA meets the Tech Right. ".
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The debate has genuinely high stakes, heading in the first days of a wildly ambitious presidential administration. People like Mr. Bannon see the Tech Right almost as an existential enemy to the natural human order they wanted to restore. More moderate allies on the MAGA side just hope to keep things calm and friendly. If a true conflict emerges, Mr. Trump himself might well end up siding with the part of the coalition that offers vast supplies of cash and new friends socializing and scheming with him down at Mar-a-Lago.
The coalition is achingly close to achieving a long-held conservative dream of fashioning a high-low alliance powerful enough to supplant the liberal establishment and remake America. It is a project that might well collapse if one side or the other gets too much of what it wants, and ends up driving the other away.
So there is a new sense of gravity when you talk to people who want to hold the coalition together. In 2017, the rough equivalent of the Coronation Ball had been the gaudy DeploraBall. Now people would be wearing black tie. "Before we were the outsiders looking in, and now we're walking in the front door," the podcaster Jack Posobiec told Politico. "Because this is a regime change. ".
Earlier this month, Breitbart published an article that seemed calculated to make the dissonance between MAGA and the Tech Right into a real, and perhaps irreconcilable, split. It included translated snippets of an interview in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera in which Mr. Bannon who retains a huge amount of influence in both the incoming Trump administration and the wider MAGA sphere presents himself as an uncompromising chief of the "nationalist-populist" core of Trumpism.
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In the article, Mr. Bannon "declared war" on Mr. Musk, and by extension the whole set of tech barons who had gained such influence in the Trump sphere. "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration Day," he said, calling him a "truly evil guy. " "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I'm not prepared to tolerate it anymore. ".
This challenge was widely seen as a new cycle in the H-1 be visa wars. But when I called him, Mr. Bannon articulated a very different and bigger reason for his challenge. I asked him if he saw the same deep-level philosophical tension I did. "A tension?" he asked. "I would almost argue it's an unbridgeable gap. ".
He named a roster of major figures on the tech right whom he saw as enemies: Mr. Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the neo-monarchist writer Mr. Yarvin, and Balaji Srinivasan, an investor and technologist who promotes the idea of "network states," new countries run on blockchain.
Mr. Bannon accused the tech barons of promoting "technofeudalism" and "transhumanism" bending human life into technologized and unnatural new forms. "This thing is all tied together," he said. "They have a very well thought through philosophy and a very well thought through set of ideas, and they're trying to implement that. And to me, everybody's afraid, everybody's scared because of their power.
"I'm a populist-nationalist, and I'm dug in on this," he said. "I know I can take them on. " he had already seen criticism. "Everybody's coming to me to say, 'You can't do this. Isn't it going to show a rift?' I said, 'What do you mean a rift? It's better to get it out now. '.
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To Mr. Bannon, this chasm went deeper than some small-bore spat about visas. "These people are technofeudalists, and it's a dangerous, dangerous thing," he said. "Here's what I'm glad about. It's going to be the populist-nationalist movement that'll take them on and break them. Because quite frankly, the established order is too gutless. The established order will go with anything that keeps their privileges. ".
This disconnect between MAGA and the Tech Right has deep philosophical roots. The political theorist Patrick Deneen, in his book "Regime Change," makes a point about the American right that has been plainly true for decades that for most of modern history it has not actually been a conservative movement. He calls Republicans of the Liz Cheney or George W. Bush mold "right-liberals" and argues that their "unwavering support for a free market, ideally unhindered by regulation and political limits, frequently resulted in economic disruptions and dizzying change that undermined the stability of the very social institutions that conservatives claimed to prize. ".
In a widely read 2022 essay titled "Why Conservatism Failed," a young Catholic University of America assistant professor named Jonathan Askonas sharpened this point. He described how the old Republican guard failed to account for the power of technology, as they claimed to be standing for the American flag and family.
"When you descend from lofty rhetoric about 'traditions' and 'values, he wrote, "a huge number of the actual practices and social institutions which built those virtues have disintegrated, not because of progressivism or socialism but because of the new environment and political economy generated by technology. ".
When I spoke to Mr. Carl, the former Trump administration official, he brought up an infamous interjection into the visa debate by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wrote a very long post on X in December describing an American culture that "has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long" and extolling "nerdiness. " "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ," he said, "or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers. ".
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The response was savage. Everything he posted in the days afterward continued to be flooded with vitriolic and often racist mockery, bringing back up the H-1 be debate, and coloring him an enemy of the movement.
Mr. Carl is the author of a book called "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. " So it's pretty obvious which side he falls on in these debates. But he's intent on keeping the coalition together. "That post was silly," he told me. Even so, he didn't think Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy should be viewed as enemies.
"The thing about Elon," Mr. Carl said, "is that it's not really clear what he thinks. " Mr. Musk had defended the H-1 be program by arguing that America needed to attract the "top. 1 percent of engineering talent. " But he had also just waded into politics in Britain and Germany, where he'the promoted parties like the more-or-less openly ethnonationalist Alternative for Germany. "So that would seem to contradict what it looked like he was saying in the immigration debate here," Mr. Carl said. "It might be that he kind of picked this fight as a way of showing he has complex views. ".
On the flip side, some people have ended up finding a place in this new counterestablishment without even being necessarily conservative. "We're all really trying for the same basic American dream sorts of things," said Julie Fredrickson, a venture capitalist who backs crypto startups. A friend of Mr. Carl's, she is also a kindred spirit with prominent figures on the tech right.
Ms. Fredrickson describes herself as a liberal, but she has grown increasingly frustrated by a federal government that she believes acts almost like a "moat," preserving the power of huge established interests over both smaller businesses and technological innovation: big banks over crypto, giant, inefficient defense contractors over the new military-tech startups emerging in Southern California, oil and gas production over companies like a small-scale nuclear startup she'the just invested in.
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To her, the H-1 be issue was just another example of the basic problem that had driven the Tech Right toward Mr. Trump. Small companies, she said, rarely managed to navigate the visa system. "That's the area in which both MAGA and tech really agree," she said. The current system only helps "the multinational consulting corporations that are using it. ".
She was still leery of the anti-immigrant talk that had emerged in the debates. "We should want the 1 percent minds," she said. "And I mean that partially from a security state perspective, because I'm terrified by the prospect of China winning on that. I do actually think that 'yeah, I want to win' is a stronger message than 'I want to do it with only people that look like me. '" She was voicing the twinned sense of possibility and frustration animating the Tech Right today: "Can we just get back to winning?
When I spoke to Mr. Bannon, he articulated a criticism of the tech world that, perhaps surprisingly, is one that at least some right-wing tech figures share: "We haven't created anything on the technology side like the airplane or the internal combustion engine or the steam engine or anything big," he said. "It's all been algorithms. ".
Peter Thiel, who emerged in 2016 as the first prominent tech billionaire to back Mr. Trump, has described to me his view that technologies like social media or smartphones can offer an illusion of progress while offering dubious benefits, at best, to the world at large. After Mr. Trump's first win, he led a quickly abandoned effort to begin dismantling the regulatory state.
But Mr. Thiel ended up largely sitting out of the 2024 election, skeptical that a second Trump administration could carry out a serious project to remake American governance. Now Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are leading a much higher-profile effort, through what they call the department of government efficiency.
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Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are both slightly comic public figures, prone to dopamine-addled mucking-about in arguments on X. The outsize attention they draw can end up obscuring the complicated interplay between the imperatives of MAGA and the Tech Right.
"I think the Tech Right is going to win in the short-term," said Razib Khan, a geneticist and tech consultant who is friendly with many figures in both the MAGA and Tech Right spheres. As he saw it, the talent and money were mostly on the side of tech.
"The Tech Right is pro-American," he said. But it's pro-American in the sense that they see America as "an empire that takes over the world and goes interplanetary. " This was too rationalist of an approach for many on the MAGA side, which is shaped in large part by Christian faith and, at least for some, a belief that America should be a homeland for "heritage Americans" of Northern European extraction. They are "not excited about the American Empire," he said, or racing into space. They care more about the values of a "pre-1960's America, the values of a Western civilization. ".
Both sides see their path as the best approach to make America more dynamic the MAGA intellectuals through a hoped-for "refounding" that would restore a sense of national identity and purpose, and the Tech Right through drawing the best talent from a worldwide pool, and letting competition and capitalism rip.
Mr. Trump himself has kept something like a kingly remove from the early squabbles of the aristocracy emerging in his shadow. His vice president, JD Vance, might be able to act as an intermediary between these rival wings. A former venture capitalist married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, he nonetheless adopted the populist-nationalist style of politics.
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"he probably leans more towards the populists," Mr. Khan said, "but the dude cooks vegetarian food and hangs out with Indians all the time. " Mr. Vance has a foot, and many friends, in both worlds and a strong political interest in bridging the gap. "I feel like he's the one that can keep the energy going, and go between the two," Mr. Khan said. "And I don't think either side will totally win. ".
Mr. Vance once told me that he thought something "genuinely, seriously bad," was coming to America, unless conservatives could "assemble a coalition of populists and traditionalists that can actually overthrow the ruling class. " The MAGA sphere has now managed to draw some of the richest people on earth into this project, with figures like Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Musk casting themselves as unlikely allies in a populist overthrow of the American elite.
For now, some within Mr. Trump's orbit are happy to give them a chance. But others are already looking toward a struggle to decide who really holds the power as their revolution gets underway. "It's time to have the debate," Mr. Bannon told me. "You've got to hit them while you're strong. ".
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[QUOTE=Xpartan;2976676]Hey Marquise, just curious: What's your take on the restoration of the Chinese spying app?
And what's Trump's take, you'd say?[/QUOTE]I'm not an International Trade Attorney or National Security Expert but.
Its my understanding that the owner supported Trumps 2024 campaign, does that deserve a 90 day extension, maybe to find a buyer?, I think that's only fair.
But I'm guessing you hate the guy for doing so and can't wait to see it banned, if for no other reason, for him doing that.
If it was a very urgent situation I doubt it would get an extension.
Are you like those idiots that cancelled their LATimes or WAPO subscriptions LMFAO.
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/611306-biden-pardons-fauci-cheney-milley/[/URL]
He is the biggest POS ever to step foot in the WH.
That's saying a lot considering he followed Bubba GW and Cheney and Barry Hussein.
Is there any reason someone should be so much as stopped and questioned much less arrested and indicted for attacking, maiming or killing police or anyone else over the next 4 years as long as the perp is wearing a red MAGA hat while doing it?
Law was held to be valid. Those who think that is the end of the matter need to spend more time reading the United States Constitution that they like to comment on. In oder to provide this education to the OP, laws can be changed. POTUS is charged with enforcing the law of the land. The Office of the Presidency can now goto the US Congress and ask that the law be modified or repealed. It is within the power of POTUS to do what he did by executive order. If a party has standing to object to the executive order they can bring the matter to the courts for a ruling.
I see that that the [B]title of the thread is American Politics; NOT intelligent knowledgable discussion of American Politics[/B] ROTFLMAO!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2976886]Putin hold Trump balls in his hand and China will play with him when he shows how he is weak not to forbid tok tok like decided USA justice, but Trump don t respect justice. So ridiculous, he did dare to swear on bible to respect constitution he fucked 4 years ago. Fortunately for him, USA are no brained and don t even remember. Devil fucking god.[/QUOTE]
Shame on Trump who wants to pollute and fuck our planet, when many died in USA from hurricanes and fires. When he is as old as was Biden 4 years ago, he is very senile. Our world have to resist to this crazy and also Putin and chinese government. Our planet and world are very sick because of them.
When EU is stronger for economics than USA and with much higher quality products, EU except Orban. Hu who is nothing, have not to be afraid of Trump, when China is also stronger. And India is growing.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2976951][URL]https://www.rt.com/news/611306-biden-pardons-fauci-cheney-milley/[/URL]
He is the biggest POS ever to step foot in the WH.
That's saying a lot considering he followed Bubba GW and Cheney and Barry Hussein.[/QUOTE]MDS, I do not know if you have seen the Mike Johnson interview but Speaker of the House Johnson tried to talk to Biden and was being put off. He ran into the unelected junta who was running the country and Biden. Well, eventually, Biden told everyone to leave, and he talked to Johnson, and Johnson has now admitted that Biden could not remember a damned thing including an executive order forbidding the export of LNG, and Johnson's state of Louisiana was suffering due to that ban.
And the reason Biden was not prosecuted on having top secret documents is that he was so mentally incompetent prosecutors felt like Biden could not be convicted. Well, if you are Biden's cabinet, and he is not competent to stand trial, why not invoke the 25th Amendment and take him out of office? Is that because this junta was really running things?
Matt Taibbi wrote an article about this and pointed out the unelected treasonous dickheads who were running the country. Looney Tooms is so demented that he is praising Biden as being a good man and all this when Biden was not mentally there for years.
Like with everything else with the dumb hypocritical Dems, Trump considers doing something like pardoning himself before leaving office and with good reason, and these dumb Dems actually do it. If J6 was an attempted coup, keeping Biden in office and pushing Kamala to be the nominee was the real coup.
I don't want this endless charade of prosecuting political opponents to continue, so I think it is time to leave the Bidens alone but we need to know why this junta gave General Miley, Fauci, and the J6 commissions were given pardons and if Biden and not his junta actually signed them. So I think it is worth investigating / prosecuting THESE parties and asking did you authorize these pardons and if so, why?
So that is what being a dumb Dem is today. We need to make sure that the Biden administration, the junta, is the target of our rage and not Biden and his family. We have already seen the dumb Dems have such contempt for the voting process, they do not care about who their nominee is. They do not care if the person elected is running the country. All they care about is that their checks keep rolling in.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2976994]Law was held to be valid. Those who think that is the end of the matter need to spend more time reading the United States Constitution that they like to comment on. In oder to provide this education to the OP, laws can be changed. POTUS is charged with enforcing the law of the land. The Office of the Presidency can now goto the US Congress and ask that the law be modified or repealed. It is within the power of POTUS to do what he did by executive order. If a party has standing to object to the executive order they can bring the matter to the courts for a ruling.
I see that that the [B]title of the thread is American Politics; NOT intelligent knowledgable discussion of American Politics[/B] ROTFLMAO![/QUOTE]On his first day, when we was totally unrespectful about Biden, but Trump already showed to the world how he is weak and already lost versus China, when not respecting justice decision to make tok tok forbidden. All other was just his usual bullshits.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977112]MDS, I do not know if you have seen the Mike Johnson interview but Speaker of the House Johnson tried to talk to Biden and was being put off. He ran into the unelected junta who was running the country and Biden. Well, eventually, Biden told everyone to leave, and he talked to Johnson, and Johnson has now admitted that Biden could not remember a damned thing including an executive order forbidding the export of LNG, and Johnson's state of Louisiana was suffering due to that ban.
And the reason Biden was not prosecuted on having top secret documents is that he was so mentally incompetent prosecutors felt like Biden could not be convicted. Well, if you are Biden's cabinet, and he is not competent to stand trial, why not invoke the 25th Amendment and take him out of office? Is that because this junta was really running things?
Matt Taibbi wrote an article about this and pointed out the unelected treasonous dickheads who were running the country. Looney Tooms is so demented that he is praising Biden as being a good man and all this when Biden was not mentally there for years.
Like with everything else with the dumb hypocritical Dems, Trump considers doing something like pardoning himself before leaving office and with good reason, and these dumb Dems actually do it. If J6 was an attempted coup, keeping Biden in office and pushing Kamala to be the nominee was the real coup.
I don't want this endless charade of prosecuting political opponents to continue, so I think it is time to leave the Bidens alone but we need to know why this junta gave General Miley, Fauci, and the J6 commissions were given pardons and if Biden and not his junta actually signed them. So I think it is worth investigating / prosecuting THESE parties and asking did you authorize these pardons and if so, why?
So that is what being a dumb Dem is today. We need to make sure that the Biden administration, the junta, is the target of our rage and not Biden and his family. We have already seen the dumb Dems have such contempt for the voting process, they do not care about who their nominee is. They do not care if the person elected is running the country. All they care about is that their checks keep rolling in.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/01/16/alex-marlow-joe-biden-was-a-horrible-president-and-an-even-worse-human-being/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/12/03/claim-hunter-made-art-with-his-own-feces-to-try-to-cover-debts/[/URL]
Patrick Healy.
Jan. 20,2025, 5:27 pm ETJan. 20,2025.
Patrick HealyDeputy Opinion Editor.
Are the Democrats in Even More Trouble Than They Think?
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Melania Trump, President Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Usha Vance, seen from behind, waving goodbye to Joe and Jill Biden aboard the Marine One helicopter.
Credit. Doug Mills / The New York Times.
When Ronald Reagan was inaugurated on Jan. 20,1981, no one knew it was the start of 12 years of Republican rule that Democrats would prove so out of step with the country, so mistrusted by voters, so unable to fix their left-wing brand that they would fail to win a national election for a dozen years.
The nation hasn't seen a 12-year drought like that since then. But as Donald Trump reached for some Reagan ideas on Monday "the golden age of America" astride Reagan's "era of national renewal," their shared attacks on government, their inaugurations amid breakthroughs in hostage crises I found myself thinking about whether the Democratic Party may be at the start of its own era, a wilderness era, when it comes to the presidency and perhaps even government.
This is not a prediction, and on Day 1 of Trump 2. 0, I'm watching for Democrats who speak effectively and persuasively to the national mood. The scope of Trump's victories doesn't compare with Reagan's landslide wins, of course, but that might cause some Democrats to underestimate the problems they face. Right now, the Democrats are leaderless, and there isn't a lot of evidence pointing to how that messenger will come forth.
Some smart Democrats I talk to are counting on the party moving to the political center over the next four years and nominating someone who can speak to the broad middle about the economy, immigration, artificial intelligence, climate and more. Democracies are good at self-corrections; politicians can learn from mistakes and feedback and pivot accordingly. There's a reason America has gone from Barack Obama to Trump to Joe Biden to Trump in the Oval Office in just over eight years.
But there was an expectation in the early 1980's, too, that Democrats would self-correct after Jimmy Carter's presidency. The presidential primary process which brings out party loyalists yielded a familiar figure, Walter Mondale, rather than a bold choice. The self-correction took time.
What proved most important in that era was how durably popular Reaganism would be on the right, to the political center and among some Democrats. I'm in no way betting on Trump, JD Vance or their allies being that popular. But as I wrote in November about the dozens of Times Opinion focus groups we've conducted, Democrats are in for a rude awakening on illegal immigration, and they have lost the trust of many Americans because of tone-deafness on the economy; a lack of solutions and progress on the cost of living, affordable housing and public safety; and the perception that party leaders and Biden covered up his decline and pulled a fast one on the American people by slotting in Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee. A self-correction that builds trust is a serious undertaking.
In the end, Americans may not want one political party in the White House for more than one or two terms at a time. And the 2024 election was close. But all of this is to say that the questions I close out the day with are: How long will the Democrats' wilderness years last? And who will lead them out of it? Maybe Fetterman or maybe not he might be a Jew?
[URL]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sen-john-fetterman-shorts-hoodie-sneakers-trump-inauguration/6114684/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2976917]I'm not an International Trade Attorney or National Security Expert but.
Its my understanding that the owner supported Trumps 2024 campaign, does that deserve a 90 day extension, maybe to find a buyer?, I think that's only fair.
But I'm guessing you hate the guy for doing so and can't wait to see it banned, if for no other reason, for him doing that.
If it was a very urgent situation I doubt it would get an extension.
Are you like those idiots that cancelled their LATimes or WAPO subscriptions LMFAO.[/QUOTE]Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?
Allow me to answer your question with the same clarity you answered mine. I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.
Day 2:
Has the price of eggs and gas gone down?
I never got the memo from Trump demanding that I reduce the cost of rent for my tenants. So I won't.
Has he spoken the Magic Trump Words that put an end to wars in "24 hours" or "48 hours" but that he apparently forgot to utter for the entire 1,460 full days and nights of his previous term for the USA combat War in Afghanistan?
What's the delay all about? Is he waiting "two weeks" to get that first Infrastructure Week done with his Repub Majority House and Senate first?
No problem. At least we know his constant blather about imposing higher Trump Tariff Taxes on the American Consumer and chase out all the low-cost labor for essential services and product delivery has jacked up the cost of shipments, products and housing already. And even before Day One!
[B]Mortgage rates aren't likely to fall any time soon - here's why.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/21/mortgage-rates-arent-likely-to-fall-any-time-soon-heres-why.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]Rates on a 30-year fixed mortgage rose above 7%[/b] in the week ended Jan. 16, according to Freddie Mac data.
[B]Mortgage rates were below 3% as recently as late 2021.
They are unlikely to fall below 6% until 2026, economists said. Thats partly due to investor worries tied to President Donald Trumps policy agenda, they said.
..........
Why have mortgage rates increased?[/b]
The first thing to know: Mortgage rates are tied more closely to the yield on 10-year U.S. Treasury bonds than to the Feds benchmark interest rate, said Baker, the founder of Claris Financial Advisors.
Those Treasury yields were about 4.6% as of Tuesday, up from about 3.6% in September.
Investors who buy and sell Treasury bonds influence those yields. [B]They appear to have risen in recent months as investors have gotten worried about the inflationary impact of President Donald Trumps proposed policies, experts said.[/b] [/QUOTE]
America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs [i][b]aka. "MAGA Brownshirts"[/b][/i], to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your [i]"get outta jail free"[/i] MAGA cap and t-shirt.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977287]America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs [i][b]aka. "MAGA Brownshirts"[/b][/i], to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.[/QUOTE]Yes, we now have an elected president running things not an unelected junta. Actually, the way the Democratic Junta was running things was more like how Hitler came to power.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977287]So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your [i]"get outta jail free"[/i] MAGA cap and t-shirt.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, we have gone from MAGA killing people to gouging eyes out and shattering backs and cracking ribs to "flagpole maiming". Thing about flagpole maiming is that suggests that people grabbed whatever was available to them as I do not know anyone with whom a flagpole is a weapon of choice. So seeing as how you have now so brilliantly shown that this was a spur of the moment riot rather than an insurrection, Spidy, I can confidently say this "insurrection conspiracy" was a load of bullshit.
So among the people jailed was the leader of the proud boys who was not even at the J6 riot but your beloved Democratic douche prosecutors put him in jail for 22 years for seditious conspiracy, a law designed to prosecute Southern rebels from the time of the civil war. And this is the reason the Biden junta was handing out pardons like crazy. Because if Trump filed their lead and used bullshit laws like seditious conspiracy, he could prosecute and convict anyone whether they are guilty or not.
And by all means, let's continue the incessant lying about Trump. He said he was not going to pardon violent offenders. Once again, Spidy, the truth and you are at odds.
What is amazing is you do not give a fuck that we did not have a duly elected president running things the last four years. Gee, I wonder why that is. Is that because all you really care about is your checks keep coming in?
Trump must really, really be suffering from Crowd Size Anxiety these days:
[B]Donald Trump's Inauguration TV Ratings Compared to Joe Biden's[/B]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-inauguration-tv-ratings-compared-joe-biden-2018696[/URL]
[QUOTE]On Monday, 24.6 million viewers tuned in to watch Donald Trump being sworn into office, estimates from the data analytics company Nielsen showed, which was [b]lower than the viewership Joe Biden's inauguration received four years earlier.[/b].[/QUOTE]Maybe Liar ChristoFacist Mike can fabricate another in his series of pathetic lies about everything to lie again about Joe Biden and create a distraction from his beloved Worst President of All Time's Worst Inauguration of All Time.
And we could be just minutes away from Trump finally biting the head off a live bat on television in order to lift his abysmal TV Ratings while also distracting from the reality that he hasn't done, passed or signed anything that would truly be good instead of bad for the American Working Men and Women or any of the numbskulls he conned into voting for him.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977169]Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?.[/QUOTE]I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.
Are you saying you are weening off of Amazon LOL or selling your Tesla, don't you know all these scumbag parasites do what's best for them, all the time.
Zuck Musk Bozo Cook etc al.
Musk supported Scumbag Joe in 2020.
Sold out media? 99% of the media is corporate owned.
That's why I like Breitbart the owner is very far right.
Yet he supports Centrist MAGA policies.
[URL]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency[/URL]
How old are you? Aren't you a little too old to be so naive?
[URL]https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343[/URL](16) 30193-0/ fulltext.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977287]America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs [i][b]aka. "MAGA Brownshirts"[/b][/i], to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your [i]"get outta jail free"[/i] MAGA cap and t-shirt.[/QUOTE][URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/5098127-bidens-last-minute-family-pardons-are-indefensible/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/01/16/alex-marlow-joe-biden-was-a-horrible-president-and-an-even-worse-human-being/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977169]Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?
Allow me to answer your question with the same clarity you answered mine. I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/01/22/world-economic-forum-davos-attendee-admits-trump-won-and-globalists-lost/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977287]America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs [i][b]aka. "MAGA Brownshirts"[/b][/i], to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your [i]"get outta jail free"[/i] MAGA cap and t-shirt.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/[/URL]
She butchered 4 million helpless little babies.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977169]Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?
Allow me to answer your question with the same clarity you answered mine. I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/opinion/marc-andreessen-trump-silicon-valley.html[/URL]
LOL. Remember all those "Trump" buildings that Trump never designed, never built, never owned, never had anything to do with other than selling his name to put on a sign to simply rebrand something someone else did all the work to create?
And remember Trump doing the same thing with the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden, falsely claiming his Knowing Nothing and Doing Nothing in that first year of his so-called presidency and coasting along with what he inherited while a year or so later his huge tax cuts for corporations helped them to buy back their own stocks and nothing else at a cost of $Trillions to the deficit had something to do with those first ok pre-Trump's Pandemic years? Yeah, that was simply Trump rebranding the Obama-Biden economy he inherited as "The Greatest Econony In History that I produced".
I mean, those 3 pre Trump's Pandemic years were ok except for when his failed China Trade War and Trump Tariffs drove our manufacturing and agriculture industries into Recessions so deep he had to issue emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat, adding more to the deficit, and we had the first of Trump's two first-term Bear Market Declines in the broad USA Stock Market in 2018, of course. So, hardly "the Greatest" of any time in recent or long term history.
And remember how Trump simply rebranded the 10 years prior Obama Admin creation of the Rapid Vaccine Developement Program as the silly renamed "Operation Warp Speed" in order to take credit for getting the critical, millions of life-saving vaccines for his own Trump's Pandemic virus out as rapidly as possible even though he has pretty much disavowed any connection to those vaccines since his MAGAloons always boo him for mentioning it.
And be prepared for Trump to again and again and again take unearned and undeserved credit for every "Envy of the World" economic achievement, national security and foreign policy success created solely by the blood and sweat of Biden-Harris and the Dems going forward. That which he can't touch, turn to shit and kill as is his lifelong pattern, that is.
Yeah, that is Trump simply Knowing Nothing, Doing Nothing but rebranding the work, effort and creation of someone else.
So it should come as no surprise that even those big DOGE plans Trump and Der Fuhrer, I mean, President Musk have touted is, guess what, simply a rebranding of the efficiency monitoring and reviewing program created by the Obama Administration:
[B]DOGE has officially arrived, but it looks pretty different from what was promised.[/B]
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/doge-different-musk-official-white-house-trump-2025-1[/URL]
[QUOTE]The executive order also[b] didn't create a new department, but rather renamed another. DOGE will replace the Obama-era US Digital Service (USDS), a unit that primarily works on improving government websites and tech.[/b] The USDS's unit had grown to more than 200 people, while Musk's new team is reported to consist of 20 staff.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing the 180 American Working Men and Women he laid off did not cost the American taxpayers nearly as much as, say, subsidizing electric vehicle manufacturing.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977343]
Are you saying you are weening off of Amazon LOL or selling your Tesla, don't you know all these scumbag parasites do what's best for them, all the time. How old are you? Aren't you a little too old to be so naive?[/QUOTE]You might be right. I just don't remember people selling out so quickly before my own eyes. Trump to TikTok. Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos and the rest of them to Trump. Maybe because I am old, this lightning speed of all-consuming corruption is a bit overwhelming to my old and slow self.
But I'm glad to see that you and your brothers are OK with this intense upcoming oligarchization of our society. I don't get for the life of me what's in it for you, but at least you don't expect the man you worship to do anything for anyone but himself.
Unfortunately and very sadly, but not unpredictably, a modern-day "red scare" is back in federal government. And what is the definition of this? "A Red Scare is a form of moral panic provoked by fear of the rise, supposed or real, of left-wing ideologies in a society". And here's the proof: [URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/federal-workers-told-name-dei-colleagues-risk-adverse-consequences-rcna188871[/URL]. Joe McCarthy would be some kind of proud!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977362][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/[/URL]
She butchered 4 million helpless little babies.[/QUOTE][B]Stages of Fetal Development[/B]
[URL]https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/women-s-health-issues/normal-pregnancy/stages-of-fetal-development[/URL]
You might want to review that to bone up on what is and isn't a "baby."
Good god. The Globalist panel at the WEF tried to come across as an easier roll-over for Trump than the White House Press Corp. And that is saying a lot.
I say they tried to come across that way because they knew that was the best approach to getting him to relax and reveal his true totally uninformed, incomperent, ignorant and unfit self. LOL.
He CLEARLY did not have the slightest clue how to respond to their questions, probably not even a clue what the TOPIC of the questions were, simply blathered on and on with his usual nonsensical "weave" into one incoherent, non responsive word salad after another.
Seriously. Those guys were obviously goofing on him, goading him along, humoring him, just to demonstrate to themselves and every other Global Industry Leader and World Leader what a ridiculous chump they will all be lucky to crush in any and every negotiation for the next four years.
Using mostly whole numbers for simplicity, here are some key date USA Stock Market closing numbers for the S&P 500 Index:
-Election Day 2016 = 2163.
-Inauguration Day 2017 = 2263.
-Election Day 2020 = 3369.
-Inauguration Day 2021 = 3852.
-Election Day 2024 = 5783.
-Inauguration Day 2025 = 5996.
Therefore, based on those closing date numbers we can calculate that:
Trump's 2016 post-election win relief rally gain was 9%.
Biden's 2020 post-election win relief rally gain was 14%.
Trump's 2024 post-election win relief rally gain was just under 4%. And to be more precise it was 3. 7%.
Trump's 2017 Inauguration Day-to-Last Day in Office gain was 70%, but a sizable percentage of that was Biden's 14% 2020 post-election win relief rally gain.
Biden's 2020 Inauguration Day-to-Last Day in Office gain was 55%, and that result was obviously unfairly restricted by that tepid-to-insignificant piddling 3. 7% 2024 Trump post-election win relief rally "gain. ".
Interestingly, if you calculate the entire possible Trump-influenced time period from his Election Day 2016 to his Last Day in Office in 2021 vs the entire possible Biden-influenced time period from his Election Day 2020 to his Last Day in Office in 2025, they both come in at 78%!
However, we should remember that Trump got there after inheriting a terrific set of positive economic trajectories from Obama-Biden and along the way shook out and likely bankrupted many stock market investors at the dreadful bottom of each of his TWO Bear Market Declines in the broad USA Stock Market during his 4 year term, one in 2018 and another even deeper one in 2020, along with a Recession and him Wiping Out Millions Upon Millions of Jobs.
Meanwhile, Biden got there after inheriting the usual horrific economic conditions handed to incoming Dems by outgoing Repubs over the past 100 years, averted even the slightest recession, presided over NO Bear Market Crashes in his 4 years in office and produced more jobs than all three previous Repub presidents combined, Trump included, and a sizable percentage of the fourth previous Repub so-called president.
Big difference.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2974524]As a Western European fed with quality standards, I don t buy chinese nor korean shit cars, nor chinese shit other products. I drive V8 Audi I powered with french E85 to save our planet, when batteries for Teslas and others make big pollution, Musk fucking our world. Just have to have a brain, when USA seem no brained, according to who they elected. I will ban USA products, under Trump and Musk who are bullshiting our world. I may buy a Dodge charger V8 , for the legend, but only after these 2 crazy. Our world have to resist to Trump, Musk and Putin, kind of 3 brothers.[/QUOTE]Surely you do realize, that it is the very legacy car manufacturers of the world, like Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, VW, Ford and Toyota, that are the very idiots paying Tesla (unfortunately for years now), by buying hundreds of millions in Telsa carbon credits to avoid even larger fines in the billions, by the EU for all those V8 powered ICE vehicles, you love to drive so much.
I mean talk about dumb business practices, handing over money to help your competitor's business! [B][i](...kkkk!)[/i][/B]
[b]Automakers to pool CO2 emissions with Tesla, to comply with EU 2025 rules.[/b], Jan 07, 2025
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-toyota-ford-mazda-subaru-plan-pool-co2-emissions-with-tesla-2025-01-07/[/URL]
With regards to the Korean and Chinese EVs being shit, you couldn't be more wrong.
Korean/Chinese EVs are in many instances, currently better than the European made EVs, if not just as good. Many models are winning awards and have been named Car/EV of the Year, in some cases. Chinese BYD (EV/Hybrid auto and bus manufacturer) just become the worlds top EV seller.
Ready for Trump's Pandemic Part 2?
Mass Murdering more than a million Americans, millions more around the World, crashing world-wide economies, Wiping Out Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, collapsing global supply-chains and triggering all of the hyper-inflation and opportunistic price-gouging, skyrocketing prices for food, GROCERIES, rent and gas that followed the first time around just wasn't satisfying enough for Trump and his MAGA Cult followers.
So now he is winding up to do whatever it takes to do it all over again, perhaps with an even more virulent disease this time:
[B]Public health experts worry about implications of Trump withdrawing US from WHO: 'An enormous mistake'.
Jan. 22, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/public-health-experts-implications-trump-withdrawing-us-who/story?id=117933153[/URL]
[QUOTE]Trump's executive order is an attempt to finish a process he began during the last months of his first term. The president temporarily slashed funding and signed an executive order in July 2020 removing the U.S. from the WHO but, because withdrawal requires a one-year notice, former President Joe Biden reversed the decision upon taking office in January 2021.[/QUOTE][B]This is what might happen if the US withdraws from the WHO.
Pulling out will harm the US, as well as global public health.
Jan. 23, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/01/23/1110460/us-withdraws-from-the-who/[/URL]
[QUOTE]On January 20, his first day in office, US president Donald Trump signed an executive order to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization. Ooh, thats a big one," he said as he was handed the document.
The US is the biggest donor to the WHO, and the loss of this income is likely to have a significant impact on the organization, which develops international health guidelines, investigates disease outbreaks, and acts as an information-sharing hub for member states.
But the US will also lose out. Its a very tragic and sad event that could only hurt the United States in the long run, says William Moss, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
..........
WHO funds are spent on a range of global health projectsprograms to eradicate polio, rapidly respond to health emergencies, improve access to vaccines and medicines, develop pandemic prevention strategies, and more. The loss of US funding is likely to have a significant impact on at least some of these programs.[/QUOTE]A gentle reminder that MAGAs and their typically pro Repub confederates in Mainstream Media worked very hard to ignore Trump's incomparable and in many ways singular contribution to laying the groundwork for, creating and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic Part 1. The gigantic dots, really only 2-3 of them, were right there from the very beginning to show, illustrate, support and prove the reality of that conclusion. But their blind allegiance to Trump and the Cult just wouldn't allow them to see and accept it.
Well, now let's see how hard they work to ignore Trump's mission to drag the world through another round of it while the reports and substantiation of him doing it are revealed and warned against step by step, dot by dot, in real time and right before their eyes.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977561][B]Stages of Fetal Development[/B]
[URL]https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/women-s-health-issues/normal-pregnancy/stages-of-fetal-development[/URL]
You might want to review that to bone up on what is and isn't a "baby."[/QUOTE]So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #2:
[B]Health Agency Reports from CDC, FDA, and NIH Halted by Trump Officials.
Jan. 23, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/trump-officials-pause-federal-health-agency-reports[/URL]
[QUOTE]During President Trumps first term in office, one of his appointed officials tried to assume control of the MMWR journal, which published information about the COVID-19 pandemic that did not align with White House messaging.
Not a day goes by when CDC isnt tracking a potential threat to our health, Richard Besser, MD, president and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and former acting director of the CDC, said in a statement shared with CNN.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977412]You might be right. I just don't remember people selling out so quickly before my own eyes. Trump to TikTok. Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos and the rest of them to Trump. Maybe because I am old, this lightning speed of all-consuming corruption is a bit overwhelming to my old and slow self.
But I'm glad to see that you and your brothers are OK with this intense upcoming oligarchization of our society. I don't get for the life of me what's in it for you, but at least you don't expect the man you worship to do anything for anyone but himself.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/opinion/trump-maga-hearts-minds.html[/URL]
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The Right Is Winning the Battle for Hearts and Minds.
Jan. 21,2025.
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By Thomas be. Edsall.
Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, the. See. , on politics, demographics and inequality.
The full-scale assault by the conservative movement on liberal domination of the nation's culture has begun to deliver key victories.
The right has gnashed its teeth for decades over the leftward tilt of academia, the literary world, the press, television and streaming video.
Thirteen years ago, Rod Dreher published "Yes, Liberals Do Control Culture" in The American Conservative: "The hegemony of cultural leftism in American popular culture, and the resulting epistemic closure among American culture producers, is a critical challenge to conservatives. ".
In a 2012 essay, "'Sexual Careers' in Late Roman America," Dreher added, "I am tempted to believe more than tempted; in fact, I do believe that there is very little to be saved in our decadent culture, only things to be suffered, and endured, and preserved through this present darkness for a more sane age to come. ".
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The world Dreher described has radically changed, if not flipped on its head, according to Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts. In a Jan. 2 essay, Drezner posed the question: "Has the Right Won the Culture War?
"Over the last five years, the cultural ground has shifted dramatically to the right," Drezner wrote. While this does not mean that "the right is now culturally ascendant," he added, "it does mean that neither progressive nor 'nonpartisan' elites possess the cultural cachet they did even a half-decade ago. ".
What has changed, Drezner wrote, "is the erosion of the left's cultural dominance. ".
Drezner argued that "if it turns out the right controls both the ascendant political and cultural institutions in the United States, that presages a very different next decade than what many were expecting even a year ago. ".
How did this shift occur?
First, an aggressive and opportunistic conservative movement recognized the crucial importance of new technologies in shaping politics and culture, in the dissemination of ideas and in providing credible, albeit partisan, analyses of the ills of society.
Most prominently, Elon Musk, an ally of President Trump, bought Twitter in 2022 and turned it into X, a major social media platform now tilted to the right. On a lesser scale, Trump created Truth Social, and right-wingers have founded such social media sites as Gab and Parler.
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Similarly, as Luke Winkie pointed out in an article in Slate in November, "How the Right Won Podcasting," conservatives dominate the list of the most popular podcasters. He wrote, "Scroll through Spotify's top podcasts chart these days, and at any given moment, at least half of the most popular shows are hosted by figures friendly to the MAGA cause. ".
"Tucker Carlson's show," Winkie wrote.
Is the fourth-most-listened-to show on the platform, while anti-woke entrepreneur Patrick Bet-David lingers a few rungs below him, and Candace Owens sits comfortably between them both. Further down you can find firebrands like Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino cranking out new shows every day. Similarly, Joe Rogan, with his eternally inscrutable, are. F. K. Jr. adjacent brand of populism, continues to dominate the top spot.
Tellingly, Winkie continued, "members of the reliably liberal podcasting commentariat are few and far between on the charts alongside their opposition. ".
Trump's threats to use the government's regulatory apparatus to punish dissident corporations have, in turn, brought to heel major technology players that perform an important role in shaping what constitutes contemporary American culture. Google, Meta, Amazon and Apple's Tim Cook each contributed $1 million to Trump's inauguration celebration.
During a Dec. 16 news conference at Mar-a-Lago, Trump commented on the high-tech moguls now seeking him out: "One of the big differences between the first term the first term, everybody was fighting me. In this term, everybody wants to be my friend. ".
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The tech see. E. O. S are not alone in seeking Trump's favor.
Paramount Global, which owns CBS, is reportedly exploring ways to settle a $10 billion lawsuit filed by Trump over the way CBS handled an interview with Kamala Harris, according to The Wall Street Journal.
In December, ABC News, which is owned by Disney, settled a defamation lawsuit brought by Trump as the network contributed $15 million to his future presidential foundation and museum, along with $1 million to cover legal fees.
Both cases reflect Trump's determination to force the media to constrain hostile coverage. The strategy appears to be working.
Anna Diakun, a lawyer at Columbia University's Knight First Amendment Institute, told The Guardian:
These suits will have a significant chilling effect on news outlets. Even the threat of legal action may lead some to self-censor, rather than risk retribution. This is no accident it appears to be Trump's goal. The bottom line is that Trump's lawsuits against media organizations and his threats to file more are a danger to press freedom.
The Trump-Republican November sweep had an immediate effect on the partisan balance of power regarding cable news networks, which have long been crucial players in the dissemination of ideas, values and beliefs from the left as well as from the right.
Despite the closeness of the November election, the two more liberal cable channels, MSNBC and CNN, experienced a severe decline in viewership after Nov. 5, while Fox News ratings rose.
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I asked Anya Schiffrin, the director of the technology, media and communications program at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs, about the differences between conservative and liberal communication systems. Schiffrin wrote back by email:
It is remarkable how right-wing talking points now dominate discourse in many parts of the world. They've managed to galvanize voters by focusing on anxiety about crime, migration and inflation. Over the last couple of years, we've heard the story of migrant crime in Santiago, Stockholm, Melbourne, as well as New York.
Over decades, Schiffrin continued.
Republicans have done a superb job of messaging through the right-wing radio network as well as the tabloids and Fox television and now through social media. Many on the left have agonized about this and wondered whether they should create alternative media infrastructures.
However, part of why the Republicans are so successful is the message rather than the medium. Republicans keep their message extremely simple and focus on topics that have salience. Explaining the nuances of crime statistics and telling people not to worry about crime is not persuasive when people go daily to CVS and see all the toothpaste and aspirin are under lock and key or feel threatened on the street or subway.
An essential part of the conservative agenda, Schiffrin wrote, is what she calls "platform capture":
The tech titans want to avoid regulation and taxation, and many have a libertarian bent, so it's natural for them to collaborate with Donald Trump. The platforms and A. I. Companies are counting on the United States to stop global regulation. Indeed, when Zuckerberg said recently that he would dismantle fact-checking efforts he also mentioned the need to beat back European regulation. A Trump and Zuckerberg-Musk alliance makes sense for all of them right now.
While a major element of the conservative drive to set the cultural agenda is to control the medium the websites, podcasts, messaging systems another goal is to discredit and push back against liberal initiatives and claims.
On this score, Christopher Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of "America's Cultural Revolution," has almost single-handedly forced liberals to retreat on a host of issues.
Rufo can claim credit (or blame) for the corporate and academic retreat on critical race theory; diversity, equity and inclusion (better known as the. E. I.); and the environmental, social and governance (E. S. G.) movement in corporate investing.
Two days ago, Rufo boasted on X of the rising status of the right in the nation's culture:
For the past four years, the Left has tried to condemn us as fringe, radical, extreme, and worse. But the truth is that we are mainstream, reasonable, popular, and ascendant. We're no longer going to let Cluster be leftism ruin our institutions. If that's your thing, try therapy.
In a more subtle but no less significant development, two Wall Street Journal reporters, Aaron Zitner and Meridith McGraw, described in an article on Jan. 19 how "in sports, entertainment and marketing, displays of conservatism are crowding out progressive postures. ".
"Instead of taking a knee to call for social justice," Zitner and McGraw wrote.
And. F. L. Players are doing the "Trump dance" in the end zone at football games. Mainstream entertainers, among them the country singer Carrie Underwood and the rapper Snoop Dogg, agreed to perform at events celebrating Donald Trump's inauguration, something music stars largely shunned eight years ago.
A new generation of Trump-friendly comedians and wellness influencers is populating YouTube and other social media, while a snippet of audio featuring Barron and Melania Trump has become one of the hottest online memes, with celebrities such as Paris Hilton and brands, including Frontier Airlines, using it in their TikTok and Instagram posts.
"Every time I walk on campus, I see a few MAGA hats. That's definitely new," said Carson Carpenter, 19, a senior at Arizona State University. Conservatism, he said, 'has really become intertwined in our pop culture. . It's really showing that conservatism is cool now. ".
On a separate front, Zitner and McGraw wrote.
Businesses are rolling back diversity efforts that gained urgency after the murder of George Floyd by police in 2020 led to a focus on racial inequities. Universities are adapting to the Supreme Court's ban on considering race in admissions, and programs designed to help minority students are under legal attack, facing claims that they discriminate based on race. In some Republican-led states, officials feel newly empowered to press for Christian-theme curricula in the classroom.
Conservatives have long complained that free speech was censored on social media. This month Meta Platforms announced the end of fact-checking and restrictions on certain types of speech across Facebook and Instagram.
While the right has been and continues to be on the attack, the left has been on the defensive.
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Musa al Gharbi, a professor of sociology at Stony Brook and the author of "We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of the New Elite," wrote by email in response to my inquiries:
The big story from 2010 on is not Republicans growing more effective at messaging but Democrats growing increasingly out of step with the median voter as they catered ever more around the preferences of knowledge economy professionals.
Knowledge economy professionals, according to al Gharbi, are those employed in higher education, the media, high tech, the law, health care, entertainment, advertising, human resources, information technology and other fields requiring be. A. s or advanced degrees.
"They tend to have systematically different political and moral preferences and priorities than most other Americans," al Gharbi said, a theme he expanded on in a Nov. 6 Substack post, "Contextualizing the 2024 Election: It's the (Knowledge) Economy, Stupid":
Rather than viewing the gender divide, the ethnic shifts, the education divide, etc. As separate phenomena, it's more insightful to understand them as facets of a more fundamental schism in American society. Namely: a divide between "symbolic capitalists" and those who feel unrepresented in our social order.
Two decades ago, al Gharbi wrote, the.
Sociologists Jeff Manza and Clem Brooks observed, "Professionals have moved from being the most Republican class in the 1950's to the second-most-Democratic class by the late 1980's and the most Democratic class in 1996. " The consolidation they noted at the turn of the century is even more pronounced today. And as these professionals have been consolidated into the Democratic Party, they've grown increasingly progressive, particularly on "cultural" issues (sexuality, race, gender, environmentalism) and especially relative to blue-collar workers.
Yascha Mounk, a political scientist at Johns Hopkins University and the author of "The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time," has a different but related take. In an email, he wrote: "Each time Democrats lose, they blame the nature of modern communication. " he added:
Since Trump was re-elected last November, they have lamented that left-of-center donors haven't invested into creating progressives podcasts that could rival the influence of Joe Rogan (ignoring the fact that Rogan's podcast never had such donors).
These arguments miss the forest for the trees. The reason Republicans have been more successful in spreading their message isn't that they have bigger budgets or smarter staffers; it's that they have been more adept at telling an aspirational story about the nature of the country one that, as it turns out, a lot of citizens from all kinds of demographic backgrounds found to be convincing.
The truth is that Democrats are now in the midst of a deep epistemological crisis. They look at the country through simplistic categories, for example by assuming that it can be split into two rival blocks of whites and people of color. They talk about it in a linguistic register that most Americans find deeply alienating. Most of all, they continue to express themselves with extreme care, lest they inadvertently end up saying the "wrong" thing.
Among the most damaging developments for the left include the failure of elite universities, bastions of liberalism, to deal with antisemitic protests during Israel's attacks on Gaza; the current exodus of reporters, editors and subscribers at The Washington Post, a mainstay of liberal journalism; the discrediting of academia's commitment to free speech as a result of the disclosure of their cancellation of controversial speakers; the relative absence of conservative professors in most fields; and the requirement that faculty members file annual mandatory diversity statements.
There are other factors at work. Matt Grossmann, a political scientist at Michigan State, replied by email to my inquiries, writing: "The main distinction is that liberals dominate traditional media and cultural industries but conservatives more successfully build alternative institutions that are self-consciously ideological and anti-establishment. ".
Within this distinction, Grossmann wrote, he and his colleagues have found "there is a bigger audience for self-consciously conservative than liberal media due to perceptions that mainstream media is liberal. ".
In the battle to win the attention of voters, Democrats face two hurdles because of their increased dependence on voters with college and advanced degrees.
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As Andrew Van Dam explained in his Nov. 15 data analytics column in The Washington Post, "Can Our Spending Habits Help Explain the Culture Wars? Reading newspapers, a key vehicle for the transmission of political and cultural information, has both declined and become politicized:
NORC's General Social Survey has been asking how often folks read newspapers since the mid-1970's, when about two-thirds of Americans did so daily. As of 2022, a majority of USA Adults (roughly 55 percent) never open a paper or perhaps even a news app or news website.
Over the past four-plus decades, Van Dam continued.
Democrats made up a narrow majority in the 1990's and early 2000's, but their lead has turned into a rout. Now, among people who read the paper multiple times a week (roughly 15 percent of adults), Democrats outnumber Republicans by more than two to one.
While both Democrats and Republicans have abandoned newspapers in growing numbers, Van Dam noted, the drop among Republicans accelerated much faster than it did for Democrats in 2016, the year Trump first ran for president.
Bottom line: Newspapers are a key source of information for Democrats but not Republicans.
Nate Silver, the polling expert, took a more apocalyptic view of the problems facing liberals struggling to maintain cultural influence.
In a December Substack essay, "The Expert Class Is Failing, and So Is Biden's Presidency," Silver argued that the emergence of the Democrats as "the party of the educated" has resulted in what he called "the Indigo Blob," which he described as.
The merger between formerly nonpartisan institutions like the media, academia and public health on the one hand institutions that draw almost exclusively from the ranks of college graduates and expressly partisan and political instruments of the Democratic Party and progressive advocacy groups on the other hand.
This evolved liberalism, in Silver's view, has undergone.
A double failure. Its institutions serve the public increasingly poorly but it's also increasingly losing politically. If Trump's victory against a Harris campaign that literally ran out of ideas wasn't proof enough of that, people are also voting with their feet, fleeing blue states and cities. Corporations that embraced wokeness have now done a 180-degree turn.
The result, Silver wrote, is that the left "is losing the battle of ideas, the one thing that it's supposed to win. ".
The enemies of liberalism are having a cumulative effect.
Rising authoritarianism, economic inequality, political polarization and challenges to democratic norms echo certain historical patterns, inviting comparisons to the rise during the Great Depression of Huey Long in Louisiana, to give an American example, and of fascism in Europe.
Contemporary political jousting between left and right includes ethnic and racial scapegoating, but there are also key differences: the presence of robust global institutions, no matter how much Trump hates them or wants to withdraw from them, widespread access to information and hard lessons learned from bitter experience.
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Trump's corporate allies are now lodged throughout the American business community. History has shown that turning points like the one we face can be very dangerous. Once leaders with autocratic aspirations, like Trump, as well as his enabler and sidekick Musk, have risen to power, an inflamed, ascendant right follows them, wherever they go.
Where, the question then becomes, might this end?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977405]LOL. Remember all those "Trump" buildings that Trump never designed, never built, never owned, never had anything to do with other than selling his name to put on a sign to simply rebrand something someone else did all the work to create?[/QUOTE]Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977665]So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.[/QUOTE]And thank you for rendering your legal / moral opinion The Reverend Dr. Justice MarquisdeSade LMFAO!
Then:
[B]Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day. Russia's UN ambassador says he cant.
July 2, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/trump-russia-ukraine-war-un-election-a78ecb843af452b8dda1d52d137ca893[/URL]
NOW:
[B]Trump said he'd quickly end Russia's war on Ukraine. But it's proving tough.
Jan. 23, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/23/trump-sanctions-russia-end-ukraine-war/77557215007/[/URL]
No. Really. Nobody knew ending Putin's War was hard.
Really.
Nobody.
Swear to god.
Nobody knew it.
Really.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977665][b]A baby's life begins the moment it is conceived[/b]
So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.[/QUOTE][B]Mississippi politician files Contraception Begins at Erection Act[/B]
[URL]https://www.wlbt.com/2025/01/22/mississippi-politician-files-contraception-begins-erection-act/[/URL]
[QUOTE]JACKSON, Miss. (WLBT) - A state senator in Mississippi has filed a bill entitled the Contraception Begins at Erection Act.
As written by Sen. Bradford Blackmon, the bill would make it unlawful for a person to discharge genetic material without the intent to fertilize an embryo.
There are also fines involved, the third strike resulting in the loss of $10,000 from the perpetrator.
In a statement to WLBT News, Blackmon wrote, All across the country, especially here in Mississippi, the vast majority of bills relating to contraception and/or abortion focus on the womans role when men are fifty percent of the equation.
This bill highlights that fact and brings the mans role into the conversation. People can get up in arms and call it absurd but I cant say that bothers me."[/QUOTE]In fact, if you really cared about babies you would agree that a baby begin breathing life with the first horny thought in the mind of either the man or the woman and anything you do to inhibit or thwart the inevitable from that moment forward is butchering a baby. Or maybe twins. Or maybe triplets. Or maybe quads.
Please be consistent in your MAGA principles.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977733]Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/opinion/trump-mckinley-populism.html[/URL]
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After a four-year hiatus, we are once again compelled to go spelunking into the deeper caverns of Donald Trump's brain. We climb under his ego, which interestingly makes up 87 percent of his neural tissue; we burrow beneath the nucleus accumbens, the region of the brain responsible for cheating at golf; and then, deep down at the core of the limbic system, we find something strange my 11th grade history textbook.
Over the past few months, and especially in his second Inaugural Address, Trump has gone all 19th century on us. He seems to find in this period everything he likes: tariffs, Manifest Destiny, seizing land from weaker nations, mercantilism, railroads, manufacturing and populism. Many presidents mention George Washington or Abraham Lincoln in their inaugurals. Who was the immortal Trump cited? William McKinley.
You can tell what kind of conservative a person is by discovering what year he wants to go back to. For Trump, it seems to be sometime between 1830 and 1899. "The spirit of the frontier is written into our hearts," he declared in his address.
It's easy to see the appeal. We were a boisterous, arriviste nation back then, bursting with energy, bombast and new money. In 1840, there were 3,000 miles of railroad track in America. By 1900, there were roughly 259,000 miles of track. Americans were known for being materialistic, mechanical and voracious for growth. In his book "The American Mind," the historian Henry Steele Commager wrote of our 19th-century forebears: "Whatever promised to increase wealth was automatically regarded as good, and the American was tolerant, therefore, of speculation, advertising, deforestation and the exploitation of natural resources. " So Trumpian.
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It was a time when the national character was being forged not among the establishment circles in Boston, Philadelphia and Virginia but out on the frontier, by the wild ones, the uncouth ones. It was the rugged experience of westward expansion, the historian Frederick Jackson Turner declared in 1893, that had given America its vitality, its egalitarianism, its disinterest in high culture and polite manners. The West was settled by a rising tide of hucksterism the spirit of the circus master P. T. Barnum more than that of the aristocratic novelist Henry James.
It was a golden age of braggadocio, of Paul Bunyan-style tall tales. It was also an age when to be American was to be wreathed in glory. Many Americans believed that God had assigned a sacred errand to his new chosen people, to complete history and to bring a new heaven down to earth. (Kind of like the way God saved Trump in that Pennsylvania field so that he could complete the sacred mission of deporting more immigrants.).
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Herman Melville captured, without endorsing, the nationalist fervor in his novel "White Jacket": "We Americans are the peculiar, chosen people the Israel of our time. God has predestinated, mankind expects, great things from our race; and great things we feel in our souls. " Walt Whitman joined the chorus: "Have the elder races halted? / Do they droop and end their lesson, wearied over there beyond the seas? / We take up the task eternal. " There's no confidence like adolescent confidence, for a person or a country.
I can see why this image of a wild, raw, aspiring America appeals to Trump. It is sometimes said that Trump appeals to those left behind, the losers of the information age. And this is a nationalism filled with aspiration, daring, hope and future-mindedness. (It helps if, like Trump, you whitewash a few minor details about 19th-century America from your portrait like, you know, slavery and Reconstruction.).
Maybe the century's key appeal for Trump is that in those days America was firmly anti-establishment. Across the Atlantic were the old states Europe. Periodically, Europeans like Fanny Trollope (herself a novelist and the mother of a rather more famous one) would visit America and turn up their noses at the vulgar money-loving people they found here. The English writer Morris Birkbeck summarized his view of the American spirit this way: "Gain! Gain! Gain!" Americans were proud to defy the snobs with their refined manners, class-ridden societies and inherited luxuries.
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You can draw a straight line from this (semi-mythical) image of America to the movement Trump leads today. He too leads a band of arrivistes, establishment-haters, money-seekers and unreconstructed nationalists. Many Democrats accuse Trump of ushering in an oligarchy, but new-money moguls like Elon Musk have often sided with the populists against the bien pensants. This is not oligarchy; this is what populism looks like.
Trump is drawing on themes that have been deep in the American psyche at least since Andrew Jackson became president in 1829. Populist movements, like most movements that represent the dispossessed, tend to be led by men who radiate power, masculinity and wealth. They harness American's natural distaste for rules, regulations and bureaucratic moralists.
The quintessential thing Trump did this week was to announce an artificial intelligence development project of up to $500 billion while also revoking a Biden executive order for A. I. Safety. Even Musk says the whole project is mythical hype because some of the companies involved don't have the money. Meanwhile, weakening the safety control on the technology? What could go wrong?
Today's populist ire is directed not at the European establishments living across an ocean but at the American ones on the east and west coasts. Democrats are mistaken if they think they can rebuff Trump by howling the words "fascism" or "authoritarianism," or by clutching their pearls every time he does something vulgar or immoral. If they decide to continue the culture war between the snooty elitists and the masses, I think we know how that's going to turn out.
The problem with populism and the whole 19th-century governmental framework is that it didn't work. Between 1825 and 1901 we had 20 presidencies. We had a bunch of one-term presidents; voters kept throwing the incumbents out because they were not happy with the way government was performing. The last three decades of that century saw a string of brutalizing recessions and depressions that profoundly shook the country. The light-footprint government was unable to cope with the process of industrialization.
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Many populists were ill equipped to even understand what was happening. In his classic book "The Age of Reform," Richard Hofstadter writes, "Populist thought showed an unusually strong tendency to account for relatively impersonal events in highly personal terms. " In other words, they thought they could solve the disruptions of industrialization if only they could find the evil conspirators who were responsible for every ill. Their diagnoses were simple-minded, their rhetoric over the top; their proposals, Hofstadter noted, wandered "over the border between reality and impossibility. " Sound familiar?
Here's how America recovered: Populist indignation finally got professionalized. In the 20th century, members of the progressive movement took the problems the populists were rightly angry about and built the institutions that were required to address them effectively like the Food and Drug Administration, the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Reserve. Populists had trouble thinking institutionally; the progressives, who were well trained, morally upright, self-disciplined, disgusted by corruption, intellectually rigorous (and sometimes priggish and arrogant) did not have that problem.
There's a reason the 20th century happened. The United States had to build a stronger central government and a leadership class if it was going to take responsibility responsibility for the people who were marginalized and oppressed in our own country and, as the century wore on, responsibility to establish a peaceful and secure world order. Americans have a perpetual problem with authority, but for a time from say 1901 to 1965 Americans built authority structures that voters trusted.
Now we live amid another crisis of authority. Our system has not managed to keep up with the savage inequalities produced by the information age especially between the college educated and the less educated. Populists are again indignant and on the March. But, as before, they have no compelling theory of change.
The colorful menagerie of people who make up the proposed Trump cabinet all have one thing in common: They are self-identified disrupters. They aim to burn the systems down. Disruption is fine in the private sector. If Musk wants to start a car company and it flops, then all that's been lost is investor money and some jobs. But suppose you disrupt and dismantle the Defense Department or the judicial system or the schools? Where are citizens supposed to go?
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The history of the world since at least the French Revolution is that rapid disruption makes governments cataclysmically worse. Trump, the anti-institutionalist, is creating an electoral monarchy, a system in which all power is personalized and held in his hands. That's a recipe for distorted information flows, corruption, instability and administrative impotence. As we've seen over and over again down the centuries, there's a big difference between people who operate in the spirit of disruption and those who operate in the spirit of reform.
If I were running the Democratic Party (God help them), I would tell the American people that Donald Trump is right about a lot of things. He's accurately identified problems on issues like inflation, the border and the fallout from cultural condescension that members of the educated class have been too insular to anticipate.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2977811]And thank you for rendering your legal / moral opinion The Reverend Dr. Justice MarquisdeSade LMFAO![/QUOTE]Malum in se. Malum in se is a concept in criminal law referring to an inherently immoral act, regardless of whether the action is criminalized.
Abortion is the murder of a baby.
Tread lightly, Karma isn't so kind to baby butchers.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/[/URL]
Its a shame it took her so quickly she should of suffered much much longer!!
Brain cancer is the perfect death for this monster.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977665]So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.[/QUOTE]In modern countries, women are free to decide, when men and Trump just know nothing about making a baby in belly. In middle age USA, women will have a baby after a rape, great life for both.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977649]Surely you do realize, that it is the very legacy car manufacturers of the world, like Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, VW, Ford and Toyota, that are the very idiots paying Tesla (unfortunately for years now), by buying hundreds of millions in Telsa carbon credits to avoid even larger fines in the billions, by the EU for all those V8 powered ICE vehicles, you love to drive so much.
I mean talk about dumb business practices, handing over money to help your competitor's business! [B][i](...kkkk!)[/i][/B]
[b]Automakers to pool CO2 emissions with Tesla, to comply with EU 2025 rules.[/b], Jan 07, 2025
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-toyota-ford-mazda-subaru-plan-pool-co2-emissions-with-tesla-2025-01-07/[/URL]
With regards to the Korean and Chinese EVs being shit, you couldn't be more wrong.
Korean/Chinese EVs are in many instances, currently better than the European made EVs, if not just as good. Many models are winning awards and have been named Car/EV of the Year, in some cases. Chinese BYD (EV/Hybrid auto and bus manufacturer) just become the worlds top EV seller.[/QUOTE]Many in Europe feel shame now from jumping monkey Musk behavior. I think Tesla should fall in Europe. Do you compare Hyundai or Kia with Porsche or Audi? When I needed to improve my Audi V8 and engineerd powered with french gas from agriculture, getting more powerful and 0% pollution on technical control, to save our planet, when Tesla batteries and chineses make pollution. When he doesn t bullshit like always, but maybe he will find who killed JFK? Senile old Trump cry like a baby about USA 350 billions debt with Europe: Europe is bad with us, when for sure not buying shit USA foods to get sick and obese, when Coca and McDo make our children obese, nor USA cars which can t compete with European cars. Americans dream about Porsche, Audi, MB or BM, or french hands made Bugatti, or Ferrari or Maserati, when only very few Europeans dream about American cars. Rather than crying like a senile baby, he should work to improve USA products quality, when quality is not important in USA, but just money, so, don t ask others to buy your shit, when far below European standards for quality, and he has big work with Boeing.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977733]Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.[/QUOTE]Immoral radicals like Spidy LMFAO thanks Bro! Remember Roevember!!
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Imagine showing the scenes inside the Capitol at Monday's inauguration to a visitor from the distant, misty past of 2021. Imagine them watching as the leaders of the same American tech industry that just four years ago united to de-platform Donald Trump now crowded close around him, competing for his favor. Then think about how one might explain the larger change behind these scenes the rapid movement from the era of "woke capital," from a seeming alignment of all major American institutions on the side of progressive ideology to a Trumpian restoration in which the right's cultural gains seem much larger than Trump's electoral majority.
Even as the lords of Silicon Valley came to kiss the presidential ring, my colleague David Marchese was interviewing Curtis Yarvin, an eccentric intellectual of the outsider (now insider?) right. Yarvin is best known as a critic of democracy and a champion of digital-age monarchy, but one of the ideas that originally won him readers is less prescriptive, more diagnostic: It's his analysis of what he called "the Cathedral," the interlocking elite opinion-shaping institutions of our society, which tend to move in concert (leftward, in his view, always leftward) despite lacking any form of centralized control.
In one sense this sounds like a banal analysis: Of course elite institutions tend to share some sort of consensus; of course cultural gatekeepers converge on similar ideas.
But there are different degrees of consensus and convergence, and Yarvin's argument seemed especially timely in the 2010's because the Cathedral he described seemed to become more and more intensively itself: More ideologically uniform across different institutions (universities, foundations, media, tech companies, corporate H. Are. Departments), more ambitious and radical in the ideas that it embraced, more lock step in the way those ideas were propagated and more inquisitorial ("Have you committed a disinformation, my child.? In the control it seemed prepared to exercise, through the social media companies especially, over American discourse and debate.
A lot of right-wing "post-liberal" thought, not just Yarvin's monarchical ideas, gained adherents in this environment. There was a sense that to recognize the existence of the Cathedral was to see through liberalism itself to realize that liberal neutrality was essentially mythical, that supposedly liberal institutions were already functionally post-liberal, that politics was an imitation game and the right needed to learn from progressive power. And what should it learn? Simply this: That the point of entering into political conflict is always to pursue hegemony, to shape and rule rather than to merely coexist.
My own view, elaborated in an essay for First Things in 2022 on the revival of Catholic integralism, was that part of this insight was correct. There is no such thing as a purely liberal society, and general liberal norms and procedures are usually filled in by a specific cultural consensus and guided by an establishment with a shared perspective on the world. Man does not live by proceduralism alone, and even within liberal parameters, any worldview that takes its own truth claims seriously be it secular progressivism or conservative Christianity or accelerationist transhumanism will naturally seek some form of culture-shaping power and, when the opportunity is there, hegemony as well.
But I also argued, drawing on the arguments of the Catholic theorist Jacques Maritain, that in a society like contemporary America pluralist, individualist, decentralized and vast any hegemony can only work if it stays soft: nudging rather than imposing, respecting a range of individual liberties and communal differences, allowing plenty of room for dissent and critique. The historical success of America's Protestant establishment (before its post-1960's self-extinguishment) depended on this kind of light touch and deference to pluralism. And whenever the old Protestant hegemony attempted to impose too much in its anti-Catholic spasms or its attempts to replace with gentleness of blue laws with the strictures of Prohibition its efforts mostly came to grief. A Cathedral can rule America only if it doesn't try to constantly run an inquisition.
This reality, I argued, had implications for the potential impact of the Great Awokening on the present-day Cathedral's power and unity. Throughout the Trump era, progressive cultural hegemony was seemingly transitioning from a "soft" to a "hard" phase about that much the Cathedral's critics were correct. But it was possible, I speculated, that this transition would be inherently self-limiting, trading in the successful soft hegemony enjoyed by Obama-era liberalism for a more brittle form of power:
It's still an open question whether that intolerance will lead inexorably to greater power over the entire culture, or whether in a *society as diverse and complex as ours the zeal of a hegemon has a self-limiting effectgenerating stronger backlash when it uses power too overtly, creating new centers of resistance when it *imposes theological conformity too explicitly, and imposing a *Brezhnevian (or late-19th-century *Bostonian) freeze that looks solid but can't survive the heat of crisis.
Whereas the more relaxed gnostic hegemony, a more Maritainian form think early Obama-era Hope and Change, not peak Great *Awokeningmight have more staying power, disarming *opposition and pre-empting backlash, balancing its power and its society's pluralism sustainably rather than risking a crackup for the sake of inquisitorial control.
In hindsight I didn't push this argument hard enough, because just three years later exactly that kind of crackup is obviously upon us.
Now of course it may be temporary. The vibes have shifted against liberals and progressives in the past without fundamentally undermining their cultural advantage. No existing version of conservatism seems ready for its own form of hegemony, populism is a blunt-force weapon that lacks the requisite seductive power, and the A. I. Models that may catechize the future still lean distinctly left. And no doubt Yarvin has a 10,000-word Substack essay teed up explaining why the Cathedral's apparent crisis is merely a temporary setback before the inevitable next leftward ratchet (that only a Caesar can prevent).
But I do think that in the suddenness of the shift, in the tergiversation of the tech barons and the rise of the Gen Z Trumpists, you can see a case study in how a seemingly hegemonic worldview can pass very rapidly from consolidating power to squandering it, from riding roughshod over its enemies to galloping off a cliff.
A light touch, a gentle hegemony, power exercised subtly and indirectly these are the hallmarks of a consensus built to last. And historians of cultural power may regard the past decade, from Barack Obama's second term to Trump's return to power, as a remarkable example of how to take an ecclesiastical edifice with every seeming cultural advantage, turn it over to the inquisitors and wake up to suddenly find yourself with nothing left except bare ruined choirs.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977570]Good god. The Globalist panel at the WEF tried to come across as an easier roll-over for Trump than the White House Press Corp. And that is saying a lot.
I say they tried to come across that way because they knew that was the best approach to getting him to relax and reveal his true totally uninformed, incomperent, ignorant and unfit self. LOL.
He CLEARLY did not have the slightest clue how to respond to their questions, probably not even a clue what the TOPIC of the questions were, simply blathered on and on with his usual nonsensical "weave" into one incoherent, non responsive word salad after another.
Seriously. Those guys were obviously goofing on him, goading him along, humoring him, just to demonstrate to themselves and every other Global Industry Leader and World Leader what a ridiculous chump they will all be lucky to crush in any and every negotiation for the next four years.[/QUOTE]When you write nonsensical keyboard diarrhea like this?
You're angry because you hate our country (not yours) and you know the truth is the exact opposite of everything you wrote.
WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP.
ALLAHU AKBAR.
I'm not a spelling Nazi or grammar Nazi but when you call Our Lord and Savior incomperent that's just a cherry on TOP (ROTFLMMFAO).
Of your childish asinine ramblings!!
Everything you wrote applied to Bubba GW Barry Hussein and Scumbag Joe and you know it!!
They all loved Barry he was such a low IQ beta ***** he allowed them to ass fuck the USA for 8 solid yrs like his husband Michael from the South side ghetto of Chicago does to him daily.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2975503] On the one hand you have a point. Chinese EV manufacturers arre producing the most flawless automobiles every made. OTOH, you are ignoring what a complete pain in the ass EVs are and how terrible they really are for the enviorment, and consumers do not want them because they are a pain the ass and are goint to cost us in a massive upgrade of the electrical grid. Natural gas seems a helluva lot cleaner than solar and wind and like most of the green revolution, the "clean" energy products originate from China which might have the worst air quality on the planet.
I would not argue that this is about state's rights but more like the executive branch shoving EVs down our throats and much like Covid was, ...[/QUOTE] Really, how are EVs "a pain in the ass" and "terrible" for the environment? Dude, Elvis 2008, you just sound very misinformed and confused, with crap statements like that! I don't see world gov'ts putting billion dollar fines and emission regulations on EV manufacturers. [i][b]"VW Stares Down The Barrel Of $1.6 Billion EU Fine. "[/b]. If Volkswagen can't meet the EU's emissions targets they could face some severe penalties...[/i] [URL] https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/vw-stares-down-the-barrel-of-1-6-billion-eu-fine/ [/URL]
According to Tiny 12's Goldman Sachs article, there's been some $1.2 trillion in tax credits for EV purchases from "wealthy" Americans. Sounds like a lot of American's are enjoying their "pain in the ass" EVs?
[LIST][b]Check this out: [/b]It took 68 years for the world to reach 1 terawatt of solar PV capacity. [i][b]It took just two years to double it[/b][/i], Nov 11, 2024. Face it, by 2035, solar will supply and make up 40+% of the worlds energy source. [URL]https://reneweconomy.com.au/it-took-68-years-for-the-world-to-reach-1-terawatt-of-solar-pv-capacity-it-took-just-two-years-to-double-it/ [/URL][/LIST]
That's a lot of [u]FREE FUEL[/u] for your EVs, that your right-wing oil and gas slave masters and robber barons don't want you to have. When are you Rebub clowns, gonna wake up to that FACT!
Most ICE vehicle manufacturing will be down to about 15%, by 2035 and that Repub "old school think" and "drill baby drill" only mentality, will set America going backwards, while China dominates on the world stage in huge sales of clean renewable energy solutions, EVs and battery automotive/industrial and robotic excellence.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2974641]Fair enough. Yes, theoretically Chinese EV's should catch on here. They're great value for the money. But they won't. ...
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Then are the $7500 tax credits wealthy EV owners get. In fact a lot of us red state taxpayers don't appreciate the $1.2 trillion (according to Goldman Sachs) in renewable energy pork dished out in the Inflation Reduction Act, which we'll have to pay for.
Californians should be free to legislate any subsidies or restrictions like the above they want. But yeah, I agree, having them imposed or prevented by Washington D.C. for the states affected is kind of fascistic.
It's nice to kind of be on the same page with you for once![/QUOTE]
So only wealthy EV owners are eligible to takes advantage of the tax credit? And are responsible for the $1.2T of pork (according to Goldman Sachs)? That sure is a lot of EV purchases, by just "wealthy" Americans? So why are right wing media outlets saying nobody is buying EVs and nobody wants them and EV sales are way down, pathetic and moribund?
BTW, what exactly is in that $1.2T you quoted, as I'm sure many of those fascist red states are benefiting from President Biden job and manufacturing growth for the Clean Energy incentives in the IRA. Surely your not saying it all just EV Tax Credits?
[B][i]The Times Is Forced to Correct a Misleading Article Claiming Electric Vehicle Demand Is Falling When Its Actually Rising,[/i][/b] 13th, Jan 2025 [URL]https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/13/the-times-was-forced-to-correct-a-misleading-article-claiming-electric-vehicle-demand-is-falling-when-its-actually-rising/[/URL]
Could it be just another fabrication, like yet another round lies from yet another Rupert Murdock News Crop, entity, as The Times, was just convicted in the UK for lying about EV car sales demand and force to make a retraction. Falsely claiming EV car sales have been going down, [u]when numbers show the complete opposite is the case.[/u] No doubt backed by scared fossil fuel and legacy auto companies.
I guess that would be like all those [b]"wealthy homeowners"[/b] that were given a similar tax credit for the Energy Efficient Home Improvement Credits? I'm sure the people who were renting or lived in apartments or out of country, must not have also either appreciated subsidizing all those "wealthy homeowners" upgrades?
Point being, this is not the first or the last gov't tax credit "program" to subsidize and benefit one segment of the population over the other.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977733]Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.[/QUOTE]Opinion.
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Last year, Chris Rufo, the influential right-wing strategist who spearheaded the campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion, or the. E. I. , initiatives, told me about his ambitions for a second Trump presidency. He hoped, he said, to see Donald Trump's administration aggressively investigate Ivy League institutions that, according to Rufo, practice "rampant" discrimination against white, Jewish and Asian students and faculty members, particularly through the. E. I. Programs, which aim to boost the representation of groups deemed underprivileged. If they were found to have violated the law, he wanted the schools put under a federal consent decree, "so that the federal government can get them into compliance by force. ".
More broadly, he imagined a complete transformation of American academia. "If you have the full weight of the White House, the full weight of the Department of Education and a platoon of right-wing lawyers trying to use all of the statutory and executive authority that they have to reshape higher education, I think it could be a thing of tremendous beauty," he told me.
The model for such a multipronged assault, said Rufo, was Florida, where Gov. Ron DeSantis created an "enormous improvement in the culture. " One place to see what this looks like in practice is New College of Florida, where DeSantis made Rufo a trustee. Once a progressive redoubt, it currently offers classes like "The 'Woke' Movement," whose course description says, "What has become known colloquially as the 'woke' movement is best understood as a kind of cult. ".
Now Rufo, who met with Trump's education team on Inauguration Day, is seeing his vision start to become reality. With one of his first executive orders, Trump set up sweeping investigations into the. E. I. In the private sector, instructing federal agencies to identify up to nine investigative targets among major institutions, including colleges and universities "with endowments over $1 billion," a category that includes all the Ivies.
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Another executive order lays the groundwork for deporting foreign students and professors who engage in anti-Israel activism, something Trump promised during his campaign. It calls for ensuring that "aliens otherwise already present in the United States" aren't hostile to its citizens, culture, government or institutions, and "do not advocate for, aid or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to our national security. ".
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These are two of the opening salvos in a campaign to crush the academic left. "There's kind of a multifront threat right now as to whether or not you can express views that are unpopular with the folks in the White House and executive agencies and continue to enjoy the protections of the First Amendment on academic freedom," said Will Creeley, legal director of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, which fights both left- and right-wing infringements on free speech.
Many Americans, including plenty of people who didn't vote for Trump, won't mourn the end of tedious corporate the. E. I. Trainings and have little sympathy for radical student protesters. "I've been talking with executives in Silicon Valley, investors on Wall Street and administrators within the universities," Rufo told me on Thursday. "They're all telling me the same thing: The resistance to Trump's agenda is at an all-time low. ".
But this climate of liberal resignation only makes the administration's plans more ominous. Under the cover of rolling back unpopular left-wing excesses, Trump's team is trying to assert political control over American higher education, and it seems to be pushing on an open door.
Some of the coming crackdown will be couched as a reaction to campus antisemitism. Rufo described critical race theory, post-colonial studies and the. E. I. As "intimately related ideologies," of which left-wing antisemitism is but one expression. "They're nesting dolls. Antisemitism, anti-white hatred and the desire to overthrow the West are all built on the same foundation. " It is that foundation that the administration seems bent on attacking.
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Creeley, at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, predicts that many state legislatures, local officials and university trustees are going to enlist, either out of enthusiasm or expediency, in the crusade to bring the academic left to heel. "I think you'll see professors investigated and terminated. I think you're going to see students punished, and I think you're going to see a pre-emptive action on those fronts," he said.
Just look at what's happened at Harvard this week. On Tuesday it announced that, as part of a lawsuit settlement, it would adopt a definition of antisemitism that includes some harsh criticisms of Israel and Zionism, such as holding Israel to a "double standard" and likening its policies to Nazism. Though Harvard claims that it still adheres to the First Amendment, under this definition a student or professor who accuses Israel of genocidal action in Gaza as the Israeli American Holocaust scholar Omer Bartov has might be subject to disciplinary action.
In a further act of capitulation, the Harvard Medical School canceled a lecture and panel on wartime health care that was to feature patients from Gaza because of objections that it was one-sided, The Harvard Crimson reported.
"I think that Harvard likely read the room, so to speak, from a political perspective, and decided to cut their losses," said Creeley. In this period of capitulation, it probably won't be the last school to fall in line.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977818][B]Mississippi politician files Contraception Begins at Erection Act[/B]
[URL]https://www.wlbt.com/2025/01/22/mississippi-politician-files-contraception-begins-erection-act/[/URL]
In fact, if you really cared about babies you would agree that a baby begin breathing life with the first horny thought in the mind of either the man or the woman and anything you do to inhibit or thwart the inevitable from that moment forward is butchering a baby. Or maybe twins. Or maybe triplets. Or maybe quads.
Please be consistent in your MAGA principles.[/QUOTE]The Corner.
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Liberals have never been able to decide why they are against legislation that protects newborns who survive attempted abortion. Half the time they say it's because the legislation is unnecessary, since existing law already requires doctors to give these newborns the same medical attention as other newborns in the same medical condition. Half the time they say it's because the law interferes with "reproductive rights" or parental authority to make medical decisions. At no point do they confront the contradiction between these arguments.
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Senate Republicans forced a vote on such legislation today. The opponents are still trying to have it both ways. Here's the headline on the New York Times' story: "Senate Democrats Block G. O. P. Effort to Criminalize Some Abortion Providers. " Which ones? The ones that are already violating the law? Paragraph five: "Federal law already requires that a baby who survives an attempted abortion receive emergency medical care. . . " The Times does not, however, cite the law it has in mind. If it's the 2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act which is what the opponents of the law have invoked in past rounds of debate there are two problems: That law does not explicitly require medical care at all, and includes no penalties.
The article gives the last word about the bill to Senator Patty Murray (D. , Wash.): "It would create a new government mandate that would override the best judgment of grieving families that find out their fetus has a fatal condition. " Wait, so the families get to decide whether the newborn receives emergency medical care? The Times just told us that federal law says the newborn has to receive that care. And the proposed law gives families the same range of choice over treatment that families have with respect to the treatment of other newborns.
The confusion on born-alive legislation always takes the same form and is always easy to clear up. It's enough to suggest that the confusion is motivatedand the motive is protecting the Democrats from exposure of their extremism on the issue of butchering babies.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977733]Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.[/QUOTE]But the poor things that didn't vote for Harris still don't realize it and might not ever realize it. The best cons are the ones that leave the sucker marks thinking they did a good thing without the slightest clue they've been conned.
Case in point; note the "alarming" headlines and emotional reaction to the supposed "Mass Deportations" happening a week into this mess:
[B]Trump ramps up ICE arrests, alarming cities and immigrant communities.
The number of suspects arrested several hundred per day has been outpaced by the psychological impact of the attention on ICE operations.[/B]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/01/24/immigration-raids-deportations-trump-ice/[/URL]
But a closer look into the report reveals this:
[QUOTE]Without evidence, he said: These are murderers. These are people that have been as bad as you get. As bad as anybody youve seen. Were taking them out first.
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"The largest massive deportation operation in history is well underway, Leavitt wrote on X on Thursday.
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Tom Cartwright, who tracks ICE deportations for the immigrant advocacy group Witness at the Border, called the military operation theater of the absurd in a post on X. The only thing new about this is subjecting people to transport on a cargo plane, Cartwright wrote. He noted that ICE carried out 508 deportation flights to Guatemala during the 2024 fiscal year on planes that average 125 passengers.
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Immigration officials did not say precisely how many immigrants were deported as part of the nationwide operations that unfolded this week or how many were criminals but officials have said their main targets are serious offenders.
Trump also conducted raids at the start of his first term, and had threatened to deport millions of people, though he never came close to that number.
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ICE has arrested immigrants, particularly criminals, across every administration, and the Biden administration boasted that it was aggressively pursuing serious offenders. Days before Biden left office, ICE said it had arrested 33 criminal noncitizens in a week-long operation in December, also in Newark.[/QUOTE]A lot of showy theatrics but business as usual, even under the Biden administration, but likely in the end less than under the Obama administration.
So, to recap, at this point, many days after "Day One", there have been no Mass Deportations beyond what is typically done anyway, no tariffs, no end to the Ukraine War, no reduction in the cost of eggs, groceries, gas or rent.
However, Trump HAS passed EOs that will RAISE the cost of prescription drugs for the poor and elderly, will make the air and water dirtier, exacerbate the disastrous effects of climate change and rush in the next Trump's Pandemic. Oh, and the March to outlaw Sex For Pleasure continues unawares.
Of course, he will definitely continue to claim unearned and undeserved credit for the terrific Bidenomics trajectories he inherited along the way. Until his Know Nothingness and Do Nothingness inevitably run out of terrific Bidenomics wind to coast on and the next inevitable Once in a 100 Yeats Repub Disaster comes along for him to embrace, exacerbate and exploit.
Until then, it is time to hit those links for golf, golf and more golf mixed in with every embarrassing grift and con he can think of to sucker more of the dumb hillbillies who voted for him or just didn't vote for Harris.
Oh well.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2974086]Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
[B]Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively[/B]
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?
Oh, also BTW, your Winger link DID misrepresent what the exact Gallup poll question was, didn't they?
Your Winger link headline was:
[B]Gallup: Americans to Remember Joe Biden as Second-Worst President in History [/B]
But that is not what that Gallup poll asked or showed.
Let me guess, you got a lead on this Winger link misrepresentation on newly fact-free Meta. Lolol.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/01/joe-bidens-final-corrupt-acts/[/URL]
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Joe Biden's Final Corrupt Acts.
Former president Joe Biden and former vice president Kamala Harris listen as President Donald Trump speaks after being sworn in as the 47th President in the USA Capitol Rotunda in Washington, the. See. , January 20,2025. (Saul Loeb / Reuters).
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We will deal with President Trump's January 6 pardons in a separate editorial. As for Joe Biden's last-minute pardons, they did not reek any less for being utterly predictable.
The former president set the works in motion last month with the shameful pardon of his son. Hunter Biden had been the point man in the decades-long Biden family business of selling access to his father and his political influence to agents of corrupt and anti-American foreign regimes, including the Chinese Communist Party. He had been found guilty on federal firearms charges (by a jury) and tax charges (on a guilty plea), and was facing the likelihood of a significant prison sentence. This was only after the Biden Justice Department labored mightily to make the criminal investigations of the younger Biden disappear.
Although the former president and his White House staff indignantly insisted that Hunter would not be pardoned, Hunter's litigation strategy admit nothing, resist normal plea negotiations made sense only if he knew all along he was going to be pardoned. And, of course, he was, right before sentencing proceedings that would have branded him a convicted felon were set to commence.
Still, while the pardon solved Hunter's criminal-liability problem, it created a separate vulnerability: The immunity from prosecution extinguished Hunter's Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. As a result, Hunter could be forced to testify against other participants if an enterprising prosecutor in the incoming Trump Justice Department decided to probe the Biden family scheme which a House investigation found generated an astonishing $27 million, transferred through intermediaries into bank accounts of various Biden family members.
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This is why our own Andy McCarthy has so consistently warned that the logic of Hunter's pardon dictated that there would be additional corrupt pardons the kind a president makes only when walking out the Oval Office door for the last time, no longer concerned about appearances and political accountability.
Sure enough, in the last minutes before heading off to Donald Trump's inauguration, Biden pardoned his siblings: brothers Jim (Hunter's chief partner in the family biz) and Francis, and sister Valerie, along with Jim's and Valerie's spouses. Without a hint of irony, the former president, whose Justice Department hounded Trump for four years, claimed he was acting to protect his kin from partisan weaponization of the Justice Department.
Realizing how the Hunter pardon tainted his legacy, Biden transparently attempted to minimize its significance with a mountain of clemency grants. These included disgraceful commutations of 37 death row inmates (while leaving in place the three capital cases brought and defended by the Obama and Biden administrations), and thousands of sentencing reductions that are another abuse of the pardon power.
And then there are the preemptive pardons of public officials. Biden granted clemency to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases who drove controversial Covid policy and potentially obfuscated the pandemic's origin; retired Army General Mark Milley, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who crossed swords with Trump following the Capitol riot; and the members and staff of the House January 6 Committee, which was deeply hostile to Trump and issued a scathing report recommending that he be charged with felonies (which the Biden DOJ special counsel proceeded to do).
There was no need for such pardons. No matter what one thinks of these officials, their actions in carrying out their official duties are immune from prosecution. But knowing he was going to pardon other family members just as he pardoned Hunter, Biden must have calculated that granting clemency to public officials would help pretty up his other self-serving pardons.
History will not be kind to Joe Biden not to his family's monetization of the power of his offices of public trust, and not to his historic abuse of the pardon power.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977700][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/opinion/trump-maga-hearts-minds.html[/URL]
Opinion.
Guest Essay.[/QUOTE]Why did you think I'd be interested in NYT articles when I'm only interested in your twisted mind.
And seriously man quit pasting whole damn things. Post a quote to illustrate what [B]you[/B] are thinking. That's damn lazy what you're doing, seriously.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977890]Really, how are EVs "a pain in the ass" and "terrible" for the environment? Dude, Elvis 2008, you just sound very misinformed and confused[/QUOTE]That you do not know why tells me you do not own an EV, and you have not looked into the issue, and I do not feel like educating someone like yourself who refuses to learn. Your $1. 2 trillion in tax credits tells me people are only buying EVs because they are being bribed by government.
The reason I make fun of you dumb Democratic douches is that you take everything as partisan. You are so much smarter than everyone else. Your views are reinforced by the lame stream media and you do not dig down and get the truth. You all are in an echo chamber where everyone tells you how smart you are. Even if a Dem ventures off at all and tells you that you are wrong, he is a bothsider. Bill Maher is a bothsider because he criticized Gavin Newsome over the LA fires right?
In reality, things are not as simple as your good-bad, partisan view of the world. With regards to Chinese vehicles, yes, their quality overall is markedly improved, and they are way cheaper. It is not the EVs that matter but the combustion ones I am looking at. Chile has very few car tarrifs and is really where all car companies compete. Chinese cars used to be thought of as cheap and low quallity. Now they own 40% of the market in Chile and people who buy Chinese cars love them. I was in two Chinese cars in South America recently and what I saw was actually better than their competitors.
So you have stumbled onto half of the story. It is not Chinese EVs but regular cars. Cars are the second biggest asset most people own, and if you let Chinese cars in without tarrifs, you will see lower inflation and consequently lower interest rates. That is a huge boon to the economy. The downside is if you let Chinese cars in you could blow up the American auto industry and risk that all the people working at GM and Ford may no longer have jobs. And if they go under, do we really want to be so dependent on China for auto transportation?
So for most people without rocks in their head, this is a very complicated decision except for dumb Democratic douches like you and Tooms. For you guys, it is easy, whatever Trump decides to do is wrong, and that is why I cannot stand you guys. You just want what is best for the Democratic party but it is really what is best for you. You just think the Dems are going to keep sending you your checks, and that is ALL you care about. You are just so selfish. At the end of the day, you do not give a damn about the country. All you care about is yourselves.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977733]Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/29/truth-social-trading-suspended[/URL]
Shares in Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), the former president's tiny social media empire, rose 8. 8% on Tuesday. Trading of the stock was suspended several times due to volatility.
TMTG has surged in recent weeks, tripling its value this month alone, as Trump courted voters during the final stage of the presidential campaign. Trump's majority stake is currently worth about $5. 9 bn.
What did I just say about you dumb Democratic douches? You live in an echo chamber being fed lies by the lamestream media and you repeat those lies over and over again and think you are so smart. And that is the genesis of these idiotic statements like someone who owns nearly $6 billion in stock alone "doesn't own anything. ".
And instead of tuning out the people lying to you, you will feel stupid after my comment and go right back to the people lying to you and making you feel good. I just shake my head. I do not get it. All I can guess is that you would rather feel smart than be smart.
I am so anxious to read the posts by Elvis, Tiny, MDS and any Inflation Hawks here rhapsodizing about how sweet it is, so be it, get over it that "smart businessman" Donald Trump will pay for utterly worthless, deficit-skyrocketing tax cuts for himself and his wealthy cronies by increasing Tariff Taxes on the American Working Men and Women, jacking up and Inflating costs for everything just as his constant blather about doing it has already jacked up and Inflated the cost of shipments, the items being shipped and mortgage loan rates even before he raises those American Consumer Tariff Taxes and regardless whether he actually gets around to putting down the golf club to do it or not.
[B]JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon says to get over it on Trumps tariff proposals.[/B]
[URL]https://fortune.com/2025/01/23/jpmorgan-jamie-dimon-donald-trump-tariffs-davos-mexico-canada/[/URL]
[QUOTE]"If its a little inflationary but good for national security, so be it, get over it", Dimon advised. [/QUOTE]Hey, speaking of Inflation Hawks, whatever happened to former Mainstream Media Darling Larry Summers?
Throughout most of Biden's historically successful presidential term and certainly before the 2022 midterms and the 2024 election I could barely turn on or access a MSM outlet without re-hearing over and over again how Biden's brilliant short and long-term economic stimulus, growth and expansion legislation "might risk" higher inflation. But lately? No so much.
Sure, I was able to do a deep search into the bowels of the Internet and did indeed eventually find a brief report of him whispering a warning into a hollow tree trunk about Trump's inarguably highly inflationary plans. But nothing like the 24/7 coverage he got on the topic all around MSM and, oh yes, very much right here in this forum, when Biden's historically positive legislation was in discussion.
Has he been accidentally swept up in the Routine, er I mean, Mass Deportation program pretending to go on now, been handcuffed and flown via cargo plane to Canada?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977817]Then:
[B]Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day. Russia's UN ambassador says he cant.
July 2, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/trump-russia-ukraine-war-un-election-a78ecb843af452b8dda1d52d137ca893[/URL]
NOW:
[B]Trump said he'd quickly end Russia's war on Ukraine. But it's proving tough.
Jan. 23, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/23/trump-sanctions-russia-end-ukraine-war/77557215007/[/URL]
No. Really. Nobody knew ending Putin's War was hard.
Really.
Nobody.
Swear to god.
Nobody knew it.
Really.[/QUOTE]Trump failed about his promises and same for tok tok, but now, he fucks women rights and our planet. Poor American women and poor planet with his pollution. Just a crazy senile.
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #3:
[B]State Department freezes new funding for nearly all US aid programs worldwide.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/25/state-department-freezes-new-funding-for-nearly-all-us-aid-programs-worldwide.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]The U.S. provides more foreign aid globally than any other country, budgeting about $60 billion in 2023, or about [b]1% of the U.S. budget.[/b]
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But Fridays order especially disappointed humanitarian officials by not including specific exemptions for life-saving health programs, such as clinics and immunization programs.
A globally acclaimed anti-HIV program, the Presidents Emergency Relief Plan for AIDS Relief, was among those included in the spending freeze, slated to last at least three months. Known as PEPFAR, the [b]program is credited with saving 25 million lives, including those of 5.5 million children,[/b] since it was started by Republican President George W. Bush.
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While Rubios order exempted military assistance to allies Israel and Egypt from the freeze, there was no indication of a similar waiver to allow vital U.S. military assistance to Ukraine through.[/QUOTE]It looks like Trump will be adding a dot or two more than was necessary last time for him to Mass Murder at least 1 Million Americans and millions more around the World.
But, then, this time he seems to be targeting more children than before. Perhaps he just wants to be more certain of the desired results rather than relying on historic "Repub luck" to produce horrific results as he did in his first term.
Of course, that part could very well be a President Musk directive:
The President of the United States of America has been the best thing to happen to the Crypto Industry since the development of the Blockchain Technology itself.
Unless you are buying index funds, comparisons of indexes composed to stocks you do not own is irrelevant to an individuals portfolio performance. I don't see the point of individual trying to give credit for rises and falls of the US Stock Market to political actors. Those who understand markets know it is the market actors that determine the prices and their movements in the markets. If you are not in the market you do not benefit directly from those movements.
Facts!
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977854]When you write nonsensical keyboard diarrhea like this?
You're angry because you hate our country (not yours) and you know the truth is the exact opposite of everything you wrote.
WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP.
ALLAHU AKBAR.
I'm not a spelling Nazi or grammar Nazi but when you call Our Lord and Savior incomperent that's just a cherry on TOP (ROTFLMMFAO).
Of your childish asinine ramblings!!
Everything you wrote applied to Bubba GW Barry Hussein and Scumbag Joe and you know it!!
They all loved Barry he was such a low IQ beta ***** he allowed them to ass fuck the USA for 8 solid yrs like his husband Michael from the South side ghetto of Chicago does to him daily.[/QUOTE][URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/23/business/trump-davos-tariffs-ultimatum/index.html[/URL]
Numbskull Trump read virtually every sentence on his teleprompter speech with the same "menacing" monotone he always resorts to when he has never read the speech before, has no idea what words are coming next, what kind of vocal inflection this or that phrase needs to get the point across in this or that sentence. So he just reads everything with no vocal inflection. Just a hilarious "menacing" monotone. LOL.
That is only one piece of evidence anyone needs in order to immediately realize beyond a shadow of a doubt that Joe Biden is now and has always been more lucid and cognitively competent than Donald Trump has ever been at any age, BTW.
But the worst and most embarrassing thing about Trump's astonishingly revealing appearance at the WEF was that he used that ridiculously ineffectual "menacing" monotone to promote idiocy like this:
[QUOTE]"My message to every business in the world is very simple: Come make your product in America and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on Earth, Trump said Thursday. But if you dont make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply [b]you will have to pay a tariff.
Trump predicted the tariffs would bring in hundreds of billions of dollars perhaps trillions of dollars into the US Treasury, which would help pay down Americas massive debt and his planned tax cuts.[/b]
(See link for oh so many more Trump lies and total lack of coherence on economic matters he revealed at the WEF)
..........
Its not as if no one has tried to point out Trumps logical leaps and apparent misreading of his Econ 101 textbook. Over the summer, at the Economic Club of Chicago, Trump simply refused to accept that his tariff plans would increase costs for consumers, telling Bloomberg News Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait that his critics have been wrong about everything. So have you, by the way, youve been wrong Youve been wrong all your life on this stuff.[/QUOTE]It is one thing to float a lie about who pays Tariffs when he is blathering to the dumb MAGA hillbillies that believe his every lie, send him large portions of their government entitlement checks, buy his Made-in-China Bibles and voted for him to reduce the price of eggs.
But to try to float a lie about it to business leaders attending or watching the so-called potus' appearance at the World Economic Forum takes some kind of very, very, I mean short bus special kind of mental incapacity.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977919]Why did you think I'd be interested in NYT articles when I'm only interested in your twisted mind.
And seriously man quit pasting whole damn things. Post a quote to illustrate what [B]you[/B] are thinking. That's damn lazy what you're doing, seriously.[/QUOTE]The whole country has turned against the radical extremism of the left and you call me twisted? That's some pretty serious projecting there. Lololol.
Post a quote? The whole article is my quote, I'm a bridge from NYT to ISGs Politics thread, ok if you don't read the whole article maybe someone else will.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977937]I am so anxious to read the posts by Elvis, Tiny, MDS and any Inflation Hawks here rhapsodizing about how sweet it is, so be it, get over it that "smart businessman" Donald Trump will pay for utterly worthless, deficit-skyrocketing tax cuts for himself and his wealthy cronies by increasing Tariff Taxes on the American Working Men and Women, jacking up and Inflating costs for everything just as his constant blather about doing it has already jacked up and Inflated the cost of shipments, the items being shipped and mortgage loan rates even before he raises those American Consumer Tariff Taxes and regardless whether he actually gets around to putting down the golf club to do it or not.
[B]JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon says to get over it on Trumps tariff proposals.[/B]
[URL]https://fortune.com/2025/01/23/jpmorgan-jamie-dimon-donald-trump-tariffs-davos-mexico-canada/[/URL]
Hey, speaking of Inflation Hawks, whatever happened to former Mainstream Media Darling Larry Summers?
Throughout most of Biden's historically successful presidential term and certainly before the 2022 midterms and the 2024 election I could barely turn on or access a MSM outlet without re-hearing over and over again how Biden's brilliant short and long-term economic stimulus, growth and expansion legislation "might risk" higher inflation. But lately?[/QUOTE]I'm perfectly ok with inflation as long as it destroys Globalism! Especially the one sided Trade with Asia and the EU (maybe even Canada and Mexico also).
See Americas $1,000,000,000,000 trade deficit.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2977890]Really, how are EVs "a pain in the ass" and "terrible" for the environment? Dude, Elvis 2008, you just sound very misinformed and confused, with crap statements like that! I don't see world gov'ts putting billion dollar fines and emission regulations on EV manufacturers. [i][b]"VW Stares Down The Barrel Of $1.6 Billion EU Fine. "[/b]. If Volkswagen can't meet the EU's emissions targets they could face some severe penalties...[/i] [URL] https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/vw-stares-down-the-barrel-of-1-6-billion-eu-fine/ [/URL]
According to Tiny 12's Goldman Sachs article, there's been some $1.2 trillion in tax credits for EV purchases from "wealthy" Americans. Sounds like a lot of American's are enjoying their "pain in the ass" EVs?
[LIST][b]Check this out: [/b]It took 68 years for the world to reach 1 terawatt of solar PV capacity. [i][b]It took just two years to double it[/b][/i], Nov 11, 2024. Face it, by 2035, solar will supply and make up 40+% of the worlds energy source. [URL]https://reneweconomy.com.au/it-took-68-years-for-the-world-to-reach-1-terawatt-of-solar-pv-capacity-it-took-just-two-years-to-double-it/ [/URL][/LIST]
That's a lot of [u]FREE FUEL[/u] for your EVs, that your right-wing oil and gas slave masters and robber barons don't want you to have. When are you Rebub clowns, gonna wake up to that FACT!
Most ICE vehicle manufacturing will be down to about 15%, by 2035 and that Repub "old school think" and "drill baby drill" only mentality, will set America going backwards, while China dominates on the world stage in huge sales of clean renewable energy solutions, EVs and battery automotive/industrial and robotic excellence.
So only wealthy EV owners are eligible to takes advantage of the tax credit? And are responsible for the $1.2T of pork (according to Goldman Sachs)? That sure is a lot of EV purchases, by just "wealthy" Americans? So why are right wing media outlets saying nobody is buying EVs and nobody wants them and EV sales are way down, pathetic and moribund?
BTW, what exactly is in that $1.2T you quoted, as I'm sure many of those fascist red states are benefiting from President Biden job and manufacturing growth for the Clean Energy incentives in the IRA. Surely your not saying it all just EV Tax Credits?
[B][i]The Times Is Forced to Correct a Misleading Article Claiming Electric Vehicle Demand Is Falling When Its Actually Rising,[/i][/b] 13th, Jan 2025 [URL]https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/13/the-times-was-forced-to-correct-a-misleading-article-claiming-electric-vehicle-demand-is-falling-when-its-actually-rising/[/URL]
Could it be just another fabrication, like yet another round lies from yet another Rupert Murdock News Crop, entity, as The Times, was just convicted in the UK for lying about EV car sales demand and force to make a retraction. Falsely claiming EV car sales have been going down, [u]when numbers show the complete opposite is the case.[/u] No doubt backed by scared fossil fuel and legacy auto companies.
I guess that would be like all those [b]"wealthy homeowners"[/b] that were given a similar tax credit for the Energy Efficient Home Improvement Credits? I'm sure the people who were renting or lived in apartments or out of country, must not have also either appreciated subsidizing all those "wealthy homeowners" upgrades?
Point being, this is not the first or the last gov't tax credit "program" to subsidize and benefit one segment of the population over the other.[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977915]But the poor things that didn't vote for Harris still don't realize it and might not ever realize it. The best cons are the ones that leave the sucker marks thinking they did a good thing without the slightest clue they've been conned.
Case in point; note the "alarming" headlines and emotional reaction to the supposed "Mass Deportations" happening a week into this mess:
[B]Trump ramps up ICE arrests, alarming cities and immigrant communities.
The number of suspects arrested several hundred per day has been outpaced by the psychological impact of the attention on ICE operations.[/B]
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/01/24/immigration-raids-deportations-trump-ice/[/URL]
But a closer look into the report reveals this:
A lot of showy theatrics but business as usual, even under the Biden administration, but likely in the end less than under the Obama administration.
So, to recap, at this point, many days after "Day One", there have been no Mass Deportations beyond what is typically done anyway, no tariffs, no end to the Ukraine War, no reduction in the cost of eggs, groceries, gas or rent.
However, Trump HAS passed EOs that will RAISE the cost of prescription drugs for the poor and elderly, will make the air and water dirtier, exacerbate the disastrous effects of climate change and rush in the next Trump's Pandemic. Oh, and the March to outlaw Sex For Pleasure continues unawares.
Of course, he will definitely continue to claim unearned and undeserved credit for the terrific Bidenomics trajectories he inherited along the way. Until his Know Nothingness and Do Nothingness inevitably run out of terrific Bidenomics wind to coast on and the next inevitable Once in a 100 Yeats Repub Disaster comes along for him to embrace, exacerbate and exploit.
Until then, it is time to hit those links for golf, golf and more golf mixed in with every embarrassing grift and con he can think of to sucker more of the dumb hillbillies who voted for him or just didn't vote for Harris.
Oh well.[/QUOTE][URL]https://americancompass.org/the-arc-of-the-economic-debate-is-long-but-bends-toward-tariffs/[/URL]
[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/22/oren-cass-makes-case-for-trump-tariffs/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/economic-arguments-tariffs-trump/680015/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-world-with-ian-bremmer/the-case-for-trumps-tariffs[/URL]
[URL]https://www.gzeromedia.com/in-60-seconds/europe/at-davos-eyes-on-trump[/URL]
Tariff aka "the most beautiful word on the planet".
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977930][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/29/truth-social-trading-suspended[/URL]
Shares in Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), the former president's tiny social media empire, rose 8. 8% on Tuesday. Trading of the stock was suspended several times due to volatility.
TMTG has surged in recent weeks, tripling its value this month alone, as Trump courted voters during the final stage of the presidential campaign. Trump's majority stake is currently worth about $5. 9 bn.
[/QUOTE]A corrupt, unscrupulous politician's social media concoction financed by the Chinese and Russians, the concoction always ridden with multiple violations, the concoction so terrible in thought and execution that it was soaking in obscurity for years until he got to power?
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_Social[/URL]
That's business success?
Jesus, you're so much dumber than I could ever imagine.
Hey, while you're at it. Do you know who has way more money than Trump?
Putin.
Time for new praises.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2978022]The whole country has turned against the radical extremism of the left and you call me twisted? That's some pretty serious projecting there. Lololol.
Post a quote? The whole article is my quote, I'm a bridge from NYT to ISGs Politics thread, ok if you don't read the whole article maybe someone else will.[/QUOTE]Why is it always "mandates" and always the "whole country" for totalitarians? Why can't they not shamelessly exaggerate even when they don't have to?
You have won the election. No one's arguing that. No one runs to the Capitol to break down the doors and hang the traitors.
And yet, you still have to lie about the numbers. Why is it so important to you?
You have half. Half of the country, which is still a tragedy, but you don't have the whole country.
And yes, pasting long articles on a forum, even with "advertisement breaks" is lazy and extremely bad taste. It means you can't even bother to speak your own mind.
On the other hand, I'm surprised you're upset that I called your mind twisted. You're advocating for civil wars, praising Putin and his war against Ukraine, and you're not twisted? What are you then, a conventional conservative?
Come on now.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2977829]Malum in se. Malum in se is a concept in criminal law referring to an inherently immoral act, regardless of whether the action is criminalized.
Abortion is the murder of a baby.
Tread lightly, Karma isn't so kind to baby butchers.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/[/URL]
Its a shame it took her so quickly she should of suffered much much longer!!
Brain cancer is the perfect death for this monster.[/QUOTE]You never heard children telling: I never ask to born? Better no birth than unhappy child and mother, out of stupid puritanism in porn country, with Trump going with porn actress.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977937]I am so anxious to read the posts by Elvis, Tiny, MDS and any Inflation Hawks here rhapsodizing about how sweet it is, so be it, get over it that "smart businessman" Donald Trump will pay for utterly worthless, deficit-skyrocketing tax cuts for himself and his wealthy cronies by increasing Tariff Taxes on the American Working Men and Women, jacking up and Inflating costs for everything[/QUOTE]This from the dumb Democratic douche who thought prosecuting Trump criminally and banning him from Twitter were great moves when in reality they put billions in Trump's pocket. And now you are smart economically? LOL. Give me a break. You are a fool. The only economic idea you dumb Dems have is Orange Man bad. You fools think EVs are practical and going to change the world, that excessive government spending does not cause inflation, that green means job, and EV tax credits do not cost anyone anything.
Tiny showed where Spidy's thinking was so flawed with that one clip, but like I said, Spidy tripped over a half truth. The Chinese are not just making good cars now. They are better than ours, and they can be produced at half the price. The cheapest American car is $20,000. The cheapest Chinese car in Chile is $9,000, and that $9,000 car is better than the $20,000 one.
For a senior fart like you living on government checks, being in favor of removing tariffs on Chinese cars is the easiest stance you can have. If Americans can buy cars for 50% of what they can now, inflation is gone. Interest rates come down, and instead of having to pay exorbitant interest rates on the debt, government can give more to you, and your dollar goes further if there is no inflation. For somebody as selfish as you Tooms, this is a big a no brainer as there is.
For those of us who care about our country, we know that removing tariffs means destroying the USA auto industry and having to put out of work everyone who is working there. MDS and Jaime Damon have taken the other side and said that the cost of the tariffs is worth it in the long run.
Biden and his administration had no fucking clue with regards to inflation. What I see Trump doing is trying a middle ground. Playing up the power of tariffs to cut a deal with China. Let's get some of the inflationary benefits of cheap Chinese cars but have them build factories here so American workers are not screwed and all the car factories are not in China. Maybe the cars at $15,000 versus $20,000 is enough to get a handle on inflation.
But when the fires came to California, the reservoir manager who was being paid $750,000 a year had reservoirs that were empty. Fire departments hired fat gay women who could not lift men out of a burning building. And on top of that, for much less than the amount spent in Ukraine, California could have had a water and natural gas pipeline from Alaska. There could have an end to the droughts in California and cheap clean energy ending the brownouts or Biden could spend money trying to fuck over Putin. How stupid do you have to be to pick Putin hatred over water and electricity?
But still even after that, you go back to your echo chamber where Trump is dumb. You mingle with and fill your head up with the ideas of the folks on the view, MSNBC, and the NYTimes. You repeat the same tired song and dance and play the game of who can insult Trump the best.
Thing is Joe Rogan and Donald Trump warned you dumb Dems about the fires. Trump said rake the forests, do not let the water drain into the ocean and fill the reservoirs. And what do you say about that? Nothing. You dumb Democratic douches call us MAGA folks in a cult? Shit, you won't say one word about the fires. Not even, okay, so a broken clock is right twice a day. Nothing.
And here you are again going back to your same routine about Trump being stupid and advocating people tune him out. Hundreds of millions of people heard Trump on Joe Rogan warn about the fires. Why would you be making fun of Trump after that? Do you want more fires?
If this were a totally natural tragedy, I would be like, "Oh yeah, I do not care if my insurance rates or taxes go up. Help these people. " But now, I am like, why should I pay a damned penny? This same shit is going to happen again if the same morons are in charge. Dumb Democratic douches like yourself do not learn shit. Calling Trump stupid does not fill up the reservoirs.
In comparison, Texas got hit by another huge snowstorm earlier this week, a much bigger than in 2021 when there was partial power for a few days. This time, there were almost no power outages. Unlike in California, the problem was fucking fixed.
When you describe others being in a cult, you need to look in a mirror. I have listed multiple positions about what you should be advocating for and you cannot even do that. How dumb do you have to be to think Trump was wrong on the fires? And support the Democratic idiots who let them happen?
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2978023]I'm perfectly ok with inflation as long as it destroys Globalism! Especially the one sided Trade with Asia and the EU (maybe even Canada and Mexico also).
See Americas $1,000,000,000,000 trade deficit.[/QUOTE][B]Fox follows Jamie Dimon in endorsing higher inflation from Trumps planned tariffs: So be it[/B]
[URL]https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-follows-jamie-dimon-endorsing-higher-inflation-trumps-planned-tariffs-so-be-it-0[/URL]
[QUOTE]Fox cited Dimon to downplay concerns over inflation from Trumps tariffs
On CNBCs Squawk Box, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon said: If it is a little inflationary, but it's good for national security, so be it. I mean, get over it. National security trumps a little bit more inflation. CNBC, Squawk Box, 1/22/25
Fox Business host Jackie DeAngelis: If we see a little inflation because were going to bring business back home here, and because were going to grow the American economy? As Jamie Dimon earlier said, so be it. Fox News, The Faulkner Focus, 1/23/25
Fox Business anchor Maria Bartiromo cited Dimons defense of Trumps tariffs and claimed Trumps policies are actually anti-inflationary. Bartiromo echoed past right-wing media whitewashing of Trumps economic proposals, saying, He uses tariffs as leverage. Im not worried about tariffs. Fox News, Americas Newsroom, 1/23/25; Media Matters, 9/12/24
Fox News anchor Bret Baier aired a clip of Dimon defending expected inflation from Trumps tariffs: Get over it, he says. Fox News, Special Report, 1/22/25
Fox Business host Charles Payne: After Dimon defended the expected inflation from Trumps tariffs, people are kind of taking a second look at this. Fox Business, Making Money, 1/23/25[/QUOTE]My goodness gracious but we DO seem to be entering a Golden Age of Inflation Acceptance Happiness, don't we.
And I suspect the name "Larry Summers" has not passed the lips of any of those Fux News personalities in quite a while.
I am so glad to know that now the price of eggs just does not matter to Trump's American Oligarchs, Russia's Oligarchs that write and provide "news" copy for everyone at Fux News to read, endorse and feed their MAGA viewers, you and everyone else. This reduces a lot of stress and pressure on the chickens too.
You know, now that you mention it and I think of it, I have been giving money to my tax accountant, rental property manager, thousands of restaurant owners, service workers, hotel owners, airlines and hookers over many, many years and I'll be damned if any of them have EVER given me any money at all!
That creates a huge monetary "trade deficit" to their favor and to my disfavor in an amount that must exceed well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars by now!
I sure hope nobody else reading this has ever handed out money left and right as I have and virtually never gotten any money in return for it. You most of all.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2978117]This from the dumb Democratic douche who thought prosecuting Trump criminally and banning him from Twitter were great moves when in reality they put billions in Trump's pocket. And now you are smart economically? LOL. Give me a break. You are a fool. The only economic idea you dumb Dems have is Orange Man bad. You fools think EVs are practical and going to change the world, that excessive government spending does not cause inflation, that green means job, and EV tax credits do not cost anyone anything.
Tiny showed where Spidy's thinking was so flawed with that one clip, but like I said, Spidy tripped over a half truth. The Chinese are not just making good cars now. They are better than ours, and they can be produced at half the price. The cheapest American car is $20,000. The cheapest Chinese car in Chile is $9,000, and that $9,000 car is better than the $20,000 one.
For a senior fart like you living on government checks, being in favor of removing tariffs on Chinese cars is the easiest stance you can have. If Americans can buy cars for 50% of what they can now, inflation is gone. Interest rates come down, and instead of having to pay exorbitant interest rates on the debt, government can give more to you, and your dollar goes further if there is no inflation. For somebody as selfish as you Tooms, this is a big a no brainer as there is.
For those of us who care about our country, we know that removing tariffs means destroying the USA auto industry and having to put out of work everyone who is working there. MDS and Jaime Damon have taken the other side and said that the cost of the tariffs is worth it in the long run.
Biden and his administration had no fucking clue with regards to inflation. What I see Trump doing is trying a middle ground. Playing up the power of tariffs to cut a deal with China. Let's get some of the inflationary benefits of cheap Chinese cars but have them build factories here so American workers are not screwed and all the car factories are not in China. Maybe the cars at $15,000 versus $20,000 is enough to get a handle on inflation.
But when the fires came to California, the reservoir manager who was being paid $750,000 a year had reservoirs that were empty. Fire departments hired fat gay women who could not lift men out of a burning building. And on top of that, for much less than the amount spent in Ukraine, California could have had a water and natural gas pipeline from Alaska. There could have an end to the droughts in California and cheap clean energy ending the brownouts or Biden could spend money trying to fuck over Putin. How stupid do you have to be to pick Putin hatred over water and electricity?
But still even after that, you go back to your echo chamber where Trump is dumb. You mingle with and fill your head up with the ideas of the folks on the view, MSNBC, and the NYTimes. You repeat the same tired song and dance and play the game of who can insult Trump the best.
Thing is Joe Rogan and Donald Trump warned you dumb Dems about the fires. Trump said rake the forests, do not let the water drain into the ocean and fill the reservoirs. And what do you say about that? Nothing. You dumb Democratic douches call us MAGA folks in a cult? Shit, you won't say one word about the fires. Not even, okay, so a broken clock is right twice a day. Nothing.
And here you are again going back to your same routine about Trump being stupid and advocating people tune him out. Hundreds of millions of people heard Trump on Joe Rogan warn about the fires. Why would you be making fun of Trump after that? Do you want more fires?
If this were a totally natural tragedy, I would be like, "Oh yeah, I do not care if my insurance rates or taxes go up. Help these people. " But now, I am like, why should I pay a damned penny? This same shit is going to happen again if the same morons are in charge. Dumb Democratic douches like yourself do not learn shit. Calling Trump stupid does not fill up the reservoirs.
In comparison, Texas got hit by another huge snowstorm earlier this week, a much bigger than in 2021 when there was partial power for a few days. This time, there were almost no power outages. Unlike in California, the problem was fucking fixed.
When you describe others being in a cult, you need to look in a mirror. I have listed multiple positions about what you should be advocating for and you cannot even do that. How dumb do you have to be to think Trump was wrong on the fires? And support the Democratic idiots who let them happen?[/QUOTE]I must say the links of substantiation for so much as a single word of your typical mindless blather that you didn't provide this time are far more impressive than the links of substantiation you usually don't provide.
Congratulations.
I have to ask; did you write that speech Trump read from the teleprompter in his usual hilarious "menacing" monotone at the WEF? Where he revealed to the entire global business world that the MAGAloons that put him back in office have got to be the biggest dumb suckers in history?
Seems like your handiwork.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2978082][URL]https://americancompass.org/the-arc-of-the-economic-debate-is-long-but-bends-toward-tariffs/[/URL]
[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/22/oren-cass-makes-case-for-trump-tariffs/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/economic-arguments-tariffs-trump/680015/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-world-with-ian-bremmer/the-case-for-trumps-tariffs[/URL]
[URL]https://www.gzeromedia.com/in-60-seconds/europe/at-davos-eyes-on-trump[/URL]
Tariff aka "the most beautiful word on the planet".[/QUOTE]Then why hasn't he imposed those Trump Tariff Taxes On The American Consumer and Working Men and Women yet?
What is he waiting for?
We are LONG PAST Day One.
If they are so beautiful and are so great for everyone I would think he would have imposed those glorious gifts onto America and the American people way sooner than his EO raising the cost of prescription drugs, stopping the CDC from communicating with anyone about anything in the midst of a potential transition from animal to human for the crippling and deadly H5 virus, handing over the levers of control on preventing and responding to WHO reports of emerging viral spreads to the Chinese exactly as he did pre Trump's Pandemic, etc.
I for one am DAMN PISSED he did not impose and enact everything he promised in his campaign on Day One as he said he would. I absolutely, positively want MAGAs to get everything they voted for and ASAP.
Yes, it is a shame that everyone smart enough to vote 100% Dem up and down their ballot will enjoy those same classic Repub Results.
Oh well.
So when will he stop teasing us by dangling those lovely Trump Tariff Taxes over our heads and DELIVER on his promise already!
I thought he said Bidenomics was so terrible he needed to respond to the horrible results of it as an EMERGENCY!
So this is how he responds to a National EMERGENCY?
Where is he playing golf today?
Quick! Somebody run out there and remind him he has not gifted us with those wonderful Trump Tariff Taxes yet!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2978100]Why is it always "mandates" and always the "whole country" for totalitarians? Why can't they not shamelessly exaggerate even when they don't have to?
You have won the election. No one's arguing that. No one runs to the Capitol to break down the doors and hang the traitors.
And yet, you still have to lie about the numbers. Why is it so important to you?
You have half. Half of the country, which is still a tragedy, but you don't have the whole country.
And yes, pasting long articles on a forum, even with "advertisement breaks" is lazy and extremely bad taste. It means you can't even bother to speak your own mind.
On the other hand, I'm surprised you're upset that I called your mind twisted. You're advocating for civil wars, praising Putin and his war against Ukraine, and you're not twisted? What are you then, a conventional conservative?
Come on now.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/world/europe/trump-europe-right-immigration-ukraine.html[/URL]
Trump Is Leading a Global Surge to the Right.
But not all of the leading conservative populist parties in the world are the same in rhetoric or on policy.
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President Trump before his swearing-in on Monday in Washington. Credit. Kenny Holston / The New York Times.
Jim TankersleyEmma BubolaAndrew HigginsAurelien Breeden.
By Jim TankersleyEmma BubolaAndrew Higgins and Aurelien Breeden.
Reporting from Berlin, Rome, Warsaw and Paris.
Jan. 23,2025.
At the start of his second term President Trump has positioned himself at the crest of a global wave of hard-line conservative populism, offering fuel and inspiration to surging nationalist parties in the European Union and beyond.
Those parties are generally united by tough stances against immigrants, support for what they call "traditional" values in opposition to L. G. be. T. Rights, aversion to climate regulations and pugnacious critiques of establishment politicians and parties.
To varying degrees, some, though not all, have also sought to weaken or undermine existing institutions, such as courts or an independent media, in what critics have called efforts to erode democracy and maintain authoritarian grips on power.
It is a wide spectrum that includes the Alternative for Germany, or AfD, which is trying to broaden its appeal before elections next month but still winks at Nazi slogans; the Brothers of Italy, which grew from post-Fascism but has moderated after it won power; the National Rally, which has more lawmakers than ever in France after a prolonged attempt to soften its image; and the Freedom Party of Austria, which was founded by former Nazi soldiers decades ago and embraced a combative image en route to winning elections last fall.
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But the parties differ from one another, and from Mr. Trump, in critical ways. Rhetorically, Mr. Trump falls at a far end of the spectrum of right-wing politicians and parties that have not been shy about using openly racist or incendiary language to disparage immigrants and political opponents.
In some cases, like his calls to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, Mr. Trump has promised changes that many of his most adoring fans in Europe have stopped well short of.
Giorgia Meloni, for instance, has dialed back many of her more hard-line stances since becoming prime minister of Italy. In some ways, Ms. Meloni has provided a road map for hard-right leaders seeking to win and hold power in Europe: Talk a fiery game, but tack to the center on some issues most notably support for Ukraine.
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Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni of Italy at Mr. Trump's inauguration on Monday. Ms. Meloni has, in some ways, provided a road map for far-right leaders seeking to win and hold power in Europe. Credit. Pool photo by Saul Loeb.
Mr. Trump may be providing a competing one, less apologetic and more emphatic. Experts say even Ms. Meloni, who attended Mr. Trump's inauguration, and right-wing parties in Europe, might be tempted to follow it.
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"The barriers are coming down," said Nathalie Tocci, a leading Italian political scientist.
Here is how the European Union's main conservative populist parties compare with each other, and with Mr. Trump, on key issues:
Divides over Ukraine.
Mr. Trump has vowed to immediately bring an end to the war, though it is unclear how he plans to do so. In Europe, support for Ukraine has divided right-wing parties, with those adopting ambiguous or pro-Russian positions being pushed toward the margins.
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Many of them look to post-Soviet Russia as a bastion of traditional values, but the full-scale invasion of Ukraine has dimmed its allure, at least for some.
"There are differences," between Ms. Meloni's Brothers of Italy party and other forces such as Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary's Fidesz party, said Carlo Fidanza, the head of Ms. Meloni's delegation in the European Parliament. "The main one is Ukraine. ".
Ms. Meloni has positioned herself as a strong backer of Ukraine, along with most of Italy's E. You. Allies. She has said it would be a "mistake" to abandon Ukraine.
In Hungary, however, the Fidesz party is stridently opposed to all military aid for Ukraine and to European sanctions on Russia over the war, which it blames for Hungary's high inflation rate and generally poor economic performance. (Hungary has long depended on relatively cheap Russian energy.).
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Mr. Orban has met with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia twice since the invasion began, presenting himself as a "peacemaker" and denouncing Hungary's E. You. And NATO allies as warmongers.
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A photograph released by the Hungarian government showing Prime Minister Viktor Orban meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Moscow in July. Credit. Hungarian Prime Minister's Office.
The war has ruptured previously close ties between Mr. Orban and Poland's right-wing Law and Justice party, or PiS, which was in power in February 2022 when Russia invaded.
But other leaders on the extreme right are closer to Mr. Orban's camp. Herbert Kickl, the man poised to be Austria's next chancellor, and his Freedom Party have built ties to Moscow and criticized European involvement in Ukraine.
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Alice Weidel, the chancellor candidate for the Alternative for Germany, or AfD, which has its strongest support in eastern Germany where affinity for Russia is strong, has accused German leaders of a "very dangerous" escalation of the conflict by supporting Ukraine.
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In France, the National Rally in 2014 took a 9. 4 million euro loan, then worth $12.2 million, from a Russian bank, and Marine LE Pen, the party's longtime leader, once said she "admired" Mr. Putin.
But since Russia's invasion, which the National Rally and its top officials have condemned, the party has sought to reposition itself if only slightly.
The National Rally does not oppose sending Ukraine defensive equipment. But it strenuously objects to providing the Ukrainians with offensive weapons.
It has also repeatedly opposed some of the sanctions on Russian imports especially energy and it has rejected the possibility of Ukraine joining the European Union or NATO.
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Many of Europe's farthest-right parties share Mr. Trump's abrasive rhetoric, disparaging their enemies and portraying themselves as outsiders and victims.
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Over the years, Ms. Meloni had denounced what she called the ethnic replacement of Italians by immigrants and called for a naval blockade against illegal migrants.
Since taking office, she has toned down her tirades. While Mr. Trump on Monday decried an "invasion" of the United States by immigrants, Ms. Meloni has largely stopped using that word.
Still, she has continued to use polarizing language to portray her party as outsiders and underdogs, and to direct vitriolic attacks on the left, journalists, trade unionists, judges and the billionaire liberal donor George Soros. She has also continued to oppose gay parenthood and the teaching of gender theory in schools.
The National Rally in France has attempted to distance itself from the racist, antisemitic and anti-gay outbursts of its founder, Jean-Marie LE Pen, who died this month. His daughter Marine has attempted to shift the party's focus more toward pocketbook issues as part of a protracted effort to undemonize it.
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The National Rally's leader, Marine LE Pen, leaving after a memorial service for her father, the French far-right figure Jean-Marie LE Pen, in Paris, last week. Credit. Bertrand Guay / Agence France-Presse Getty Images.
The shift has helped the party make strides in elections, even as many experts have characterized it as mere marketing. The party's unrelenting focus on protecting French identity and its eagerness to change the French Constitution to restrict the rights of foreigners still mark it in France as a far-right party, experts say.
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In Germany, where voters will pick a new government in late February, the Alternative for Germany party is attempting to soften its image, too. It has chosen Ms. Weidel a lesbian economist who lives in Switzerland with her Sri Lankan partner and children as its standard-bearer in the race.
She and the party are attempting to appeal to a broader audience, aided in part by the billionaire Elon Musk, who has endorsed the AfD. But they are saying very different things to different audiences.
Parts of the AfD have been formally classified as extremist by the German government. But Ms. Weidel told Mr. Musk in a recent friendly interview that the AfD was "a conservative libertarian party. ".
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Just days later, AfD party members greeted Ms. Weidel with repeated chants of "Alice for Germany," a play on the old Nazi refrain "Everything for Germany," which is now a crime to use in Germany.
Some parties have not softened their tone at all. In Austria, the Freedom Party gained ground in recent elections after intensifying confrontational language critical of immigrants and Islam.
Party members have reveled in slogans with Nazi echoes, including Mr. Kickl. The Freedom Party campaigned on a promise that Mr. Kickl would be a "Volkskanzler" "people's chancellor" a term used by Hitler.
Nuances on Immigration.
Mr. Trump has promised to deport every one of the millions of immigrants who remain in the United States illegally. While immigration is at the center of all of these parties' agendas in Europe, they have different ideas on how to address it.
The AfD has pledged to deport some recent migrants to Germany who commit crimes, but not others who learn German or otherwise assimilate.
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Fidesz in Hungary has denounced migrants as a threat to public health and potential terrorists.
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Ms. Meloni has said she only opposes illegal immigration, and acknowledged the need for legal immigration. She has introduced a much-contested plan to transfer asylum seekers to centers in Albania while their cases are heard, and supported legislation to distribute migrants from border countries where they first arrive (like Italy and Greece) to other European Union nations.
Other nationalist leaders in countries farther from the coast opposed the idea.
In France, the National Rally wants to reduce immigration drastically, eliminate birthright citizenship, force people seeking asylum to apply abroad, and privilege French people over even legal migrants for social benefits and subsidized housing.
The party argues that reducing immigration is necessary to free up funding for other areas like health care and to protect French identity.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2978106]You never heard children telling: I never ask to born? Better no birth than unhappy child and mother, out of stupid puritanism in porn country, with Trump going with porn actress.[/QUOTE]Do you wish you were aborted? Can I see a show of hands from the pro baby butchering contingent in this thread, how many say yes? How about a partial birth butchering? Which one of you are angry you weren't butchered like that?
Puritanism? How many French politicians have girlfriends?
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/20190926-behind-chirac-s-six-decade-marriage-a-litany-of-affairs[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37621875[/URL]
How can you be anti sex? And I thought you were the Napoleon of FKKland? How many Romanian hookers have you given your Euros to?
How many thousands? 3000? 4000? 5000? More?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2977978]Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #3:
[B]State Department freezes new funding for nearly all US aid programs worldwide.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/25/state-department-freezes-new-funding-for-nearly-all-us-aid-programs-worldwide.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
It looks like Trump will be adding a dot or two more than was necessary last time for him to Mass Murder at least 1 Million Americans and millions more around the World.
But, then, this time he seems to be targeting more children than before. Perhaps he just wants to be more certain of the desired results rather than relying on historic "Repub luck" to produce horrific results as he did in his first term.
Of course, that part could very well be a President Musk directive:[/QUOTE]60 billion USD per year is 600 billion.
Erase that trade deficit and that's $10,600,000,000,000 aka 10.6 trillion USD.
I believe that could improve the quality of life for many Americans in the United States, now multiply that many decades going forward.
And then just imagine how that would affect International mongering LMAO.
DJT is going to MMGA "Make Mongering Great Again".
ALLAHU AKBAR.
Trump jumping monkey fool, Musk might be too much fed with apartheid where he was born. Fortunately, he can t be after Trump who didn t succeed to stop Ukraine war yet, when he claimed after only 1 day.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2978179]Do you wish you were aborted? Can I see a show of hands from the pro baby butchering contingent in this thread, how many say yes? How about a partial birth butchering? Which one of you are angry you weren't butchered like that?
Puritanism? How many French politicians have girlfriends?
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/20190926-behind-chirac-s-six-decade-marriage-a-litany-of-affairs[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37621875[/URL]
How can you be anti sex? And I thought you were the Napoleon of FKKland? How many Romanian hookers have you given your Euros to?
How many thousands? 3000? 4000? 5000? More?[/QUOTE]From my personal experience, abortion is better than not offering a good life to a child and his or her mother. Even traumatic, but women understand this and they should be free to decide, when Trump doesn't seem to know much about women. I love sex, but I respect women, even when I pay, and I think FKK girls or escorts feel this very fast. So many American women feel not respected by Trump, some even choosing to be operated not to fall pregnant, what a shame for USA.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2978094]A corrupt, unscrupulous politician's social media concoction financed by the Chinese and Russians, the concoction always ridden with multiple violations, the concoction so terrible in thought and execution that it was soaking in obscurity for years until he got to power?[/QUOTE]I don't recall commenting on the quality of the business. I think the issue was Trump as parasite, and I have never heard anyone else with $6 billion in stock being called a parasite.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2978094][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_Social[/URL][/QUOTE]And here we go again. You return to your Trump sucks echo chamber to make you feel good.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2978094]Hey, while you're at it. Do you know who has way more money than Trump? Putin.[/QUOTE]And Trump sucks financially compared to Putin? LOL. That is what you got?
To recap, you Trump sucks people banned him from Twitter, and Trump starts his own Twitter and makes $6 billion. Trump is convicted of a crime, goes scot free, and after his conviction, he raises a billion and wins an election.
Then Trump goes to California, and this is fucking hilarious. He lectures the California pols for pushing insurance companies out of the state and wins over the crowd, [URL]https://x.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1882968816973701434[/URL].
And when a California pol is sucking up to FEMA, Trump takes him out to the woodshed, [URL]https://x.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1882967612579066198[/URL].
Oh yeah, Trump sucks.
Colombia does not take back its criminals, and Trump hits them with huge tariffs, what do you Dems think about that? Trump sucks.
Biden goes off script and says Putin cannot stay in power. Trump says if he were in office the war would not have happened, and just recently, Putin says the same thing. How do you feel about that? Putin is a liar, Biden is great, and Trump sucks.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2978151]I must say the links of substantiation for so much as a single word of your typical mindless blather that you didn't provide this time are far more impressive than the links of substantiation you usually don't provide.[/QUOTE]Opinions do not require links. What is your opinion on removing Chinese car tariffs? Your response was you suck Elvis.
How do you feel about the water manager in California being paid $750,000 per year and there being no water? That is mindless blather.
And how about all this money spent in Ukraine and people who have suffered natural disasters in California, Maui, and North Carolina being offered up paltry amounts by our federal government? Putin sucks.
And what about what Joe Rogan and Trump predicted about the fires and even Bill Maher being critical of how California fires were handled? Trump sucks, Rogan sucks, and Bill Maher is a bothsider.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2978151]Where he revealed to the entire global business world that the MAGAloons that put him back in office have got to be the biggest dumb suckers in history?
Seems like your handiwork.[/QUOTE]Yes, the loons are people in Florida who have their homes after a once in a generation hurricane. The same goes with Texas that had a once in a generation snow storm. And in your opinion, the smart people are in California who when hit with fires had no water, no insurance, lesbian firefighters who could not lift an average man, and now are not being allowed to clear the land and rebuild.
The only people who would pick California leadership over Texas and Florida leadership is because they feel California leadership is going to keep giving them money. That is why you are so selfish Loony Tooms.
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/local/2025/01/26/so-badss-support-grows-for-idea-adding-president-trump-mount-rushmore/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2978184]60 billion USD per year is 600 billion.
Erase that trade deficit and that's $10,600,000,000,000 aka 10.6 trillion USD.
I believe that could improve the quality of life for many Americans in the United States, now multiply that many decades going forward.
And then just imagine how that would affect International mongering LMAO.
[B]DJT is going to MMGA "Make Mongering Great Again".[/b]
ALLAHU AKBAR.[/QUOTE]First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid, exactly the kind of moves he he pulling again today, thereby creating Trump's Pandemic and then promptly lying about it, mocking the known mitigation measures, dismissing the need to invent much less take a vaccine for it and thereby exacerbating his initial colossal blunder for the following critical year 2020.
That is when Trump's International Business and School Closures over the next 2-3 years taught the better lookers among the idle province girls that there are millions of pathetic lonely-hearts out there in Internet-land eager to send them money for nothing to surpass any amount they or their sisters could ever earn ir would ever need to earn by actually spending time alone with a dude in a room, fucking or sucking his dick.
YOUR vote did that.
Hey, I hear you're a big fan of mongering in Colombia.
Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination.
Are you happy about that?
[B]Trump imposes tariffs, sanctions on Colombia after it blocks deportation flights.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/26/colombia-turns-away-military-deportation-flights-from-us-officials-say.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Trumps punitive action appeared aimed at making an example of Colombia, the second case of a Latin American nation refusing U.S. [b]military[/b] deportation flights. It was a demonstration of a more muscular U.S. foreign policy and showed a renewed willingness by Trump to force other countries to bend to his will.
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Colombias Petro condemned the practice on Sunday, suggesting it treated migrants like criminals. In a post on social media platform X, Petro said [b]Colombia would welcome home deported migrants on civilian planes.[/b]
The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals, Petro wrote.
[B]Petro said even though there were 15,660 Americans without legal immigration status in Colombia, he would never carry out a raid to return handcuffed Americans to the U.S.
We are the opposite of the Nazis,[/b] he wrote.
Mexico also refused a request last week to let a U.S. [b]military[/b] aircraft land with migrants.[/QUOTE]Of course, nothing is more welcoming to International mongerers than for ALL of us to be labeled and identified as NAZIS in goose-step with the biggest Warmongering so-called potus, Trump, at home and abroad than any president in USA history, right? LOL. No better way to ensure the only hookers who didn't learn the Trump's Pandemic World Internet Game Of Getting Money For No Penile Contact, the dumb, old and ugly ones, to be inspired to fuck and suck with gusto, right? LOL.
International mongerers from USA even you if not especially you, would be well-advised to start telling everyone you meet in your travels that you are Canadian and never stepped foot in the USA. That is, if you want to squeeze out at least some value in paying the dumb, old and ugly Trump's Pandemic Left-Over Hookers for crap sex.
Again, thank you for your vote.
Having been in the USA Military (voluntarily) I have traveled on military aircraft and although not perfect comfort gets the job done. I bet not reported however was that the illegal criminal migrants received water and a box lunch which is A Ok per the Geneva convention.
You think criminals being legally deported back to their countries of origin even flying on a military plane with their own seat, water and a box lunch is maltreatment? WTF?
When I turn 60 being a fully retired reservist I have the privilege of traveling on military aircraft space A just like the illegal criminal migrants. I should have a seat to myself even if in the cargo hold, water and a box lunch.
Enough said I'm truly disgusted about this story.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2978444]Having been in the USA Military (voluntarily) I have traveled on military aircraft and although not perfect comfort gets the job done. I bet not reported however was that the illegal criminal migrants received water and a box lunch which is A Ok per the Geneva convention.
You think criminals being legally deported back to their countries of origin even flying on a military plane with their own seat, water and a box lunch is maltreatment? WTF?
When I turn 60 being a fully retired reservist I have the privilege of traveling on military aircraft space A just like the illegal criminal migrants. I should have a seat to myself even if in the cargo hold, water and a box lunch.
Enough said I'm truly disgusted about this story.[/QUOTE]How did these criminals get into US? First class in Emirates funded by the local government? Wonder how Colombia treats its criminals in their jails.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2978409]First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid, exactly the kind of moves he he pulling again today, thereby creating Trump's Pandemic and then promptly lying about it, mocking the known mitigation measures, dismissing the need to invent much less take a vaccine for it and thereby exacerbating his initial colossal blunder for the following critical year 2020.
That is when Trump's International Business and School Closures over the next 2-3 years taught the better lookers among the idle province girls that there are millions of pathetic lonely-hearts out there in Internet-land eager to send them money for nothing to surpass any amount they or their sisters could ever earn ir would ever need to earn by actually spending time alone with a dude in a room, fucking or sucking his dick.
YOUR vote did that.
Hey, I hear you're a big fan of mongering in Colombia.
Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination..[/QUOTE]Certain mongers from your part of the planet have destroyed mongering everywhere they go South America Central America Canada USA FKKs there have been nights I see them outnumber everyone else in the best strip clubs in Moscow, they are a cancer on this hobby just look at Angeles City or Pattaya, I walked past a FKK near my hotel one day that opens at 11 am and there was a long line of them at 10 am.
WOWWW WTF a truly invasive species, you can thank Bubba for putting the CCP into the WTO, along with he and the Scumbag Barry fighting for TPP.
You have even told me there is a certain (undesirable to most) demo flooding the streets of Soi 4 in BKK? I've seen it in Pattaya.
Thanks for your vote Dum Dum!
Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.
[QUOTE=ElPostino;2978603]How did these criminals get into US? First class in Emirates funded by the local government? Wonder how Colombia treats its criminals in their jails.[/QUOTE]
I read the history of some of the deportees. They would not be my first choice in neighbors. Some other deportees had no criminal history other than entering the US illegally or overstaying a visa. I notice the local newspaper that was referring to the deportees yesterday as "compatriots" (connacionales) is now referring to them as undocumented migrants (indocumentados). I beleive this is because it became known that Petro had agreed to the flights before changing his mind.
[QUOTE=IamLookin;2978642]Who says they are criminals? Trump? Really.[/QUOTE]
Let's not talk about politics here. The little controversy between Trump and Colombia is over, and my trip to Medellin next week is still on.
[QUOTE=IamLookin;2978642]Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.[/QUOTE]The answer is in your very own words. That which is "illegal" is a "crime". Thus "illegals" are "criminals" in violation of the immigration (and maybe other) laws of the United States of America. What part of "illegal" do you not get?
[QUOTE=IamLookin;2978642]Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.[/QUOTE]The literal definition of "criminal" is someone who does something "illegal".
If someone enters the US illegally (or overstays his or her visa, or doesn't show up for his or her asylum court hearing). Then they are in the country illegally and by definition are criminals.
Try entering Venezuela illegally or disrespecting their laws and see what happens, buddy!
Trump is doing exactly what we wanted him to do and that is why we voted for him.
Gabacho.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2978609]Certain mongers from your part of the planet have destroyed mongering everywhere they go South America Central America Canada USA FKKs there have been nights I see them outnumber everyone else in the best strip clubs in Moscow, they are a cancer on this hobby just look at Angeles City or Pattaya, I walked past a FKK near my hotel one day that opens at 11 am and there was a long line of them at 10 am.
WOWWW WTF a truly invasive species, you can thank Bubba for putting the CCP into the WTO, along with he and the Scumbag Barry fighting for TPP.
You have even told me there is a certain (undesirable to most) demo flooding the streets of Soi 4 in BKK? I've seen it in Pattaya.
Thanks for your vote Dum Dum![/QUOTE]Those and mongers from everywhere were already coming to my part of the planet long before Trump created Trump's Pandemic Part 1 and they did not change it for the worst as I described.
What we have now is Post-Covid / Trump's Pandemic Part 1 international mongering in my part of the planet. Thanks to your boy. Thanks to your vote.
And it is most definitely not as good by any measure as it was before your boy and your vote.
Never fear. By all indications your boy and your third vote for him appears to be enabling him to repeat the same conditions he set up to create Trump's Pandemic Part 1 but this time with some added features that will make Trump's Pandemic Part 2 a particularly virulent anti-sex historic and long lasting horrific event.
Thank you for your vote.
Is there anything bumbling fumbling Trump won't do to strengthen trade relations between our trade allies and China? LOL.
[B]US, Colombia reach deal on deportations; tariff, sanctions put on hold.
Jan. 27, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/[/URL]
[QUOTE]"The government of Colombia ... has the presidential plane ready to facilitate the return of Colombians who were going to arrive in the country this morning on deportation flights."
The statement did not specifically say that the agreement included military flights, but it did not contradict the White House announcement.[/QUOTE]Amid all the chest-beating and howling at the moon over the false claim that Trump throwing a sit on the floor cry-baby tantrum to get his way "won" anything for any American tax-payer, I see that part above is never or rarely mentioned by the Repubs' typical breathless supporters in Mainstream Media.
To recap:
Trump gets publicly spanked by Colombia of all places and wins the distinction of them putting the "We are not Nazis" meme for him and America into the World Leader lexicon and buzz.
Colombia, Mexico, Canada and godknowswhoelse turned back Trump's showy and silly military plane stunt, causing Trump to no doubt waste millions of American tax-dollars more on the whipped puppy turnaround and repeat flights. Super punked.
Colombia gets to look and sound like the reasonable adult on the planet compared to cry-baby Trump.
The price of coffee, bananas, flowers, etc will likely STILL go higher for the American Consumer simply due to Trump's now even greater determination to blather on and on with his Trump Tariffs threats even if he NEVER actually imposes a tariff on Colombian goods.
All of our trade partners and allies are now taking a harder look at simply dispensing with this cry-baby tanTrump foolishness and might as well start shifting more of their trade to and with China. No surprise to anyone, of course.
The end result is Trump accomplished exactly zero more than what Biden was already doing in transporting illegal immigrant criminals back to their country by commercial air except in Trump's case it cost the American tax-payer much more and Biden was never bamboozled by Colombia, Mexico, Canada or anyone else into trotting around Cape Stupid, waving his arms and demanding "Hey, everybody, look at me trotting around Cape Stupid" first.
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #4:
[B]RFK Jr. skipped meeting where officials planned fight against future pandemic.
Jan. 23, 2025[/B]
[URL]https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/jan/24/rfk-jr-skipped-meeting-where-officials-planned-fig/[/URL]
[QUOTE]As White House officials packed up last week and their Trump counterparts prepared to move in, dozens of senior leaders in both administrations trundled into the neighboring Eisenhower Executive Office Building to game out how the new government would respond to an emergency, such as a new pandemic.
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But a top official was notably absent: Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Trumps pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, the pivotal agency when a pandemic strikes.
"The one guy who shouldve been there wasnt there, said one attendee, who, like several others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private session led by the National Security Council. Most of those attendees said they were mystified by Kennedys absence and wondered where he was.
Kennedy was two miles away, on Capitol Hill, seeking to sway senators skeptical of his candidacy to serve as the nations top health official, according to three people with knowledge of his schedule that day.[b] Rather than convince lawmakers of his own readiness to face an emergency, Kennedy left some of them deeply rattled by sharing debunked theories about vaccines and making other questionable assertions[/b], the people said.[/QUOTE]We can only assume he would just spend the first critical year of any Trump's Pandemic Part 2 assuring the world that "we have it under control, it is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine" until perhaps 2 million Americans die from it, worldwide economies and supply-chains collapse again, triggering even higher inflation than Trump produced with Trump's Pandemic Part 1.
The next Dem President is going to have a huge mess to clean up.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2978409]First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.[/QUOTE]LOL. Oh, that bullshit again? [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/gigantic-rats-nest-taiabi-hints-fbi-communications-covid-scientist-will-be-exposed[/URL].
There were key people like Peter Daszak from the EcoHealth Alliance, who just didn't answer subpoenas, right? There are documents that we know exist that we're going to get now with FBI communications between the bureau and a lot of these scientists dating back ten years. And it's going to tell a crazy story, a really interesting story. There's a reason why Fauci's pardon is backdated to 2014, because that's the time period they are going to have to start looking, which is, when did we start defying the ban on gain of function research. We clearly did. That's pretty established at this point.
And 2014 is when Dems started up all their bullshit in Ukraine. That is the same year as when Hunter was pardoned from. Maybe that is why Putin really invaded Ukraine, all those supposedly nonexistant biolabs. 2014 is the year the deep state really started going nuts.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2978409]Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination.[/QUOTE]Leave it to you to not have a clue what happened with Colombia. The first time socialist president Petro tried to make a human rights issue with Colombians who illegally entered the USA. The idiot penned a letter calling Trump a slave owner and wanting the destruction of humanity, and was literally goading Trump into war and saying Colombia would win. That is something very appealing to a Democratic douche like yourself. Aren't you totally in lock step with what this moronic president wrote Loony Tooms? Don't you think Colombia could win a war with Trump as Commander in Chief?
So Trump hit Colombia with 25% tariffs and banned the travel visas of those in government and was going to freeze the bank accounts of Colombians in power and their family members. And you know what happened Tooms? This guy Petro sent his OWN fucking jet to pick up the Colombians saving us the expense of flying them back.
So yeah, there was a trade war with Colombia, and it was over in 10 hours. He mouthed off against Trump, and Trump kicked Petro's fucking teeth in. Trump had the orders drawn up and any time he feels like he can sign them. That is how you govern. That is how you handle idiots.
[QUOTE=IamLookin;2978642]Who says they are criminals? Trump?
[b]My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals"[/b] by the biggest criminal of all Trump.[/QUOTE]LOL. What do you think illegal means? That is like saying my understanding is they are cars labeled as automobiles.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2978037][URL]https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc[/URL][/QUOTE]
Hacky and crappy quotes, from TV fictional characters a side, I didn't peg you for one to bury your head in the sand on clean energy solutions like the hugely successful, Energy Efficient Home Improvement tax credits for American Homeowners?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neB3IZHcChI[/URL]
But your wrong headed position, related to EV tax credits, is very much in line with many misconceptions sounding EVs, as if legacy ICE manufacturers and fossil fuel industry have never had gov't subsides and taxes of their own, is as laughable as your Billy Bob, crappy fossil fuel industry TV-show propaganda, pining about bygone days of oil.
Meanwhile, as China smiles and laughs at the idiot in the WH, who continually condemns America to a "drill baby drill" ONLY energy policy, while they surge ahead with terawatt installations of cheaper renewables every month, that replace coal, oil, gas and even outpace nuclear.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwsAf0do-yo[/URL]
[QUOTE=IamLookin;2978642]Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by ... Trump.[/QUOTE]Illegal entry.
Section 1325 of the USA Code criminalizes entering the United States without permission.
Illegal reentry.
Section 1326 of the USA Code criminalizes reentering the United States without permission.
Penalty.
The penalty for illegal entry or reentry can include a fine of up to $2,000, up to 6 months in prison, or both.
Bringing in an alien.
Section 1324 (a)(1)(A)(I) of the USA Code criminalizes bringing an alien into the United States at a place other than a designated port of entry.
Harboring an alien.
Section 1324 (ii) of the USA Code criminalizes harboring an alien who has entered the United States illegally.
Shouldn't Colombia then send back US "illegals" living in Colombia back to the USA? It is estimated that there are over 15 K living in Colombia with either expired visas or no visas at all.
I guess you are perfectly fine treating them as criminals and placing them in handcuffs and boarding them on a Colombian military plane back to the USA?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2978694]LOL. What do you think illegal means? That is like saying my understanding is they are cars labeled as automobiles.[/QUOTE]
I am sure you don't have an issue with treating the estimated 15 K Americans living in Colombia illegally as prisoners of severe crimes? Let's handcuff all the Americans with expired or no visas and board them on a military plane back to the USA. Call them 'criminals" and make a public show out of it. I wonder who would do that?
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2978670]The literal definition of "criminal" is someone who does something "illegal".
If someone enters the US illegally (or overstays his or her visa, or doesn't show up for his or her asylum court hearing). Then they are in the country illegally and by definition are criminals.
Try entering Venezuela illegally or disrespecting their laws and see what happens, buddy!
Trump is doing exactly what we wanted him to do and that is why we voted for him.
Gabacho.[/QUOTE]