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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2445893]Maybe because on 1989, I discovered what was behind the wall and prettier for me than average of Scandinavians. I won t go to Scandinavia for girls, like I won t go to Asia for foods. But I will go to Italy. If one day, I have enough time, after Alaska free ride if I still can, I would go for Minsk Riga Tallin Saint Petersburg of course and Siberia to Vladivostok Kamchatka tour, for eyes pleasure.[/QUOTE]Beauty differs a lot between places in Scandinavia. But if you only go to the capitols, then Helsinki perhaps has the hottest girls.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446000]Elif and Amalia, but they are Romanian, are real sisters at Sharks, when many only business sisters, to fuck clients.[/QUOTE]Sharks never really worked for me for line up. I did find stunners, but it was a job to find one, plus I don't like the ware house light in sharks, so I have to hunt where the restaurant area is by the water server, where it has good light from outside during day and also restaurant more blighter light.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446004]Megan is level of beauty I look for. Real wow when I saw her at Mainhattan where she was Sara, on August 2015. She started as Francesca at Sharks on November 2015 , always starting her day with me. On 28 December 2018 , she was so angry I saw her on public at Globe, when our last room was 17 months ago, you can send her this guys, shouting after me in club in front of other girls, real woman reaction and she came to me after asking to speak together, interesting behavior, we repeated nearly 1 year later, and repeated again. I like her manners.[/QUOTE]It is just incredible how much you remember each names for each clubs LOL.

I barely do not remember half or even more of girls that I fucked in FKK LOL.

Sometimes, when they tell me their real name, I tend to remember more, but with these fake FKK names, I do not remember most of them.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2445930]Trinity, that's her name. She was sweet hearted person. Came with sister, I never went with sisters in FKK before. I met few girls including in lr who claimed to be sister, but they were not stunner at all and they did not even looked like each others LOL.

I would love to do threesome with sisters in FKK if I ever find sister stunners.[/QUOTE]I don't remember real sisters at LR. When You saw Trinity and her sister I only saw once, You didn't even need to ask. Same for Elif and Amalia at Sharks. I don t remember seeing twin girls in FKK land.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446030]I've been a member of ISG for a long time and it seems every once in a while one girl becomes very famous on these forums and many many people post about them before their star fades or they retire or another new girl becomes flavour of the month!

Like I remember when Marie of Oase dominated discussions, then in was Janine of Sharks, Saskia and Indira of Palace well before then, Gina from Palace too, now it seems Linda from Globe (and Megan) are the It Girls. Also I forgot Mady at Oase and Daisy at Maxim.

I'm sure I have forgotten others. Please add to this![/QUOTE]It is true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but for me the beauties at FKKs prior to 2010 were of higher quality than the beauties after 2010. I have never visited Globe so cannot speak for that club. I found German Marie of Oase to be a true beauty better than anyone recently in Hessen clubs. However, she was rather cold in the zimmer, enjoying the deed but restricting emotions. A real beauty for me was Romanian Simona who some guys criticized because of her nose which I liked just as I liked the nose of the tall Bulgarian at Oase (whose name slips me now) who subsequently got a nose job which I haven't seen yet. Simona, like Megan, had a very pleasant disposition and I regard her overall as my all time favorite FKK girl. The most beautiful woman I ever sessioned at FKKs and who may be the hottest of all time for me was Romanian Sarah at Oase, 2011, who I believe worked for just one day as I never saw her before nor after and I read no report of her on ISG. A notable mention would be Guitta from Hungary. Oh, what memories! A true beauty for me at FKKs in recent times would be Ester at Sharks when she first joined the club, not now with the boob and lip jobs. Before the alterations she was a notable Asian hunter but not so much afterwards. BTW in my last visit to Sharks on March 16 just before they closed Ester was one of the very few girls who were working. There must have been less than 10 girls and even fewer guys and she was the only girl who was busy.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446094]I don't remember real sisters at LR. When You saw Trinity and her sister I only saw once, You didn't even need to ask. Same for Elif and Amalia at Sharks. I don t remember seeing twin girls in FKK land.[/QUOTE]I heard there was twin in Artemis, but I never experienced it. In lr, there were sisters, but they were not pretty at all LOL.

One day, if I find stunner sisters in FKK, I will for sure do threesome even though I am not too big on threesome beside getting BBBJ by two girls at once, which I enjoy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2446150]It is true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but for me the beauties at FKKs prior to 2010 were of higher quality than the beauties after 2010. I have never visited Globe so cannot speak for that club. I found German Marie of Oase to be a true beauty better than anyone recently in Hessen clubs. However, she was rather cold in the zimmer, enjoying the deed but restricting emotions. A real beauty for me was Romanian Simona who some guys criticized because of her nose which I liked just as I liked the nose of the tall Bulgarian at Oase (whose name slips me now) who subsequently got a nose job which I haven't seen yet. Simona, like Megan, had a very pleasant disposition and I regard her overall as my all time favorite FKK girl. The most beautiful woman I ever sessioned at FKKs and who may be the hottest of all time for me was Romanian Sarah at Oase, 2011, who I believe worked for just one day as I never saw her before nor after and I read no report of her on ISG. A notable mention would be Guitta from Hungary. Oh, what memories! A true beauty for me at FKKs in recent times would be Ester at Sharks when she first joined the club, not now with the boob and lip jobs. Before the alterations she was a notable Asian hunter but not so much afterwards.[/QUOTE]I have seen some strange thing in FKK like some mongers going with some fat cow instead of gorgeous model stunner standing next to that fat cow LOL! But whatever make someone happy.

Vladivostok and Khabarovsk in Russia probably has some of the hottest girls on the planet. Personally I met a few of them in Macau saunas and even nightclubs at the casino's several years ago. They were mainly from Khabarovsk, but also a few from Vladivostok. And now I've spied on some others from that part of Russia on Instagram. Wow!

I believe the reason is simple. 100 years ago, Russia needed labor in the far east, and they feared China and Japan embarking on their territory. So they set up a campaign and paid the prettiest girls in Russia a lot of money to move to Khabarovsk and Vladivostok first. Then they did heavy marketing campaigns where they advertised all the beautiful ladies who had already moved there in order for working class men to follow suit. Quite clever if you ask me. The sad part is just how hard it is for us right now to fly all the way over there. Now the Asians I spoke to in Macau all refused to believe that these white girls were from Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. They would all swear on them being from Latvia or Eastern Europe. Perhaps so 4 generations ago (I bet some of the Asians here on this forum too don't really know the treasures you have so close to home also. Unfortunately I have no idea regarding p6 in those places. I suppose that is a bigger issue perhaps. But at least some of them had found their way into Macau, so there is probably a network there also.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446081]It is just incredible how much you remember each names for each clubs LOL.

I barely do not remember half or even more of girls that I fucked in FKK LOL.

Sometimes, when they tell me their real name, I tend to remember more, but with these fake FKK names, I do not remember most of them.[/QUOTE]I go with her since August 2015, at Mainhattan, then Sharks, then Globe, but I remember many girls names with who I have never been, and they are very surprised I remember when most of guys don t even remember at the end of the room. Just my respect from a bad guy who look at them like women. Girls remember a lot about us, at least about me, and they really remember a lot when this is private.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446159]I have seen some strange thing in FKK like some mongers going with some fat cow instead of gorgeous model stunner standing next to that fat cow LOL! But whatever make someone happy.[/QUOTE]Most of guys are afraid of too beautiful girls, furthermore when they look like women, not little girl. Just problem of self confidence with women. I remember German Rose at GT, what a model 1,80 , I saw her sitting waiting for hours, I thought there was a problem with her, I returned on next day to repeat with her, a real GFE beauty, I pay for this level of beauties. When I can claim I had the prettiest, Madi World was the most perfect look for me, Romanian, 29 yo, she was obsessed about her look with me, I joked to make her being crazy jumping in front the mirror. On many Saturdays, best business day at World, I was her only client, from 5 pm to 5 am, this was perfect time for me for months. So many times I heard: because she is pretty, she won t give good services, about some girls who were or became great for me. I prefer to choose beauties, because even they are not so good, then I have to be good enough to make them improve for me, and this is great enjoyment to experience a beauty improving following You, probably why I liked so much my LR Eve, for how she did trust me and always coming to me. About a GND, even a top performer, I can't make her becoming a desirable beauty, I m not David Copperfield.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2446150]It is true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but for me the beauties at FKKs prior to 2010 were of higher quality than the beauties after 2010. I have never visited Globe so cannot speak for that club. I found German Marie of Oase to be a true beauty better than anyone recently in Hessen clubs. However, she was rather cold in the zimmer, enjoying the deed but restricting emotions. A real beauty for me was Romanian Simona who some guys criticized because of her nose which I liked just as I liked the nose of the tall Bulgarian at Oase (whose name slips me now) who subsequently got a nose job which I haven't seen yet. Simona, like Megan, had a very pleasant disposition and I regard her overall as my all time favorite FKK girl. The most beautiful woman I ever sessioned at FKKs and who may be the hottest of all time for me was Romanian Sarah at Oase, 2011, who I believe worked for just one day as I never saw her before nor after and I read no report of her on ISG. A notable mention would be Guitta from Hungary. Oh, what memories! A true beauty for me at FKKs in recent times would be Ester at Sharks when she first joined the club, not now with the boob and lip jobs. Before the alterations she was a notable Asian hunter but not so much afterwards. BTW in my last visit to Sharks on March 16 just before they closed Ester was one of the very few girls who were working. There must have been less than 10 girls and even fewer guys and she was the only girl who was busy.[/QUOTE]Bulgarian model type with blue eyes, now with new upturned nose, Katrin at Oase.

Ester arrived at Sharks from Wuzburg or something like that, on beginning of September 2015, for IAA. At this time, high level Polish Karolina. Megan is far prettier than Ester and Evita for me. One of the prettiest face seen in FKK land, when face is the most important for me, was Ramona Sharks becoming Sabina at Oase with her green eyes and beautiful teeth, a bit higher level than RTC.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2446053]Beauty differs a lot between places in Scandinavia. But if you only go to the capitols, then Helsinki perhaps has the hottest girls.[/QUOTE]From what I see on TV or internet, Danish seem to be now the prettiest for me. Finnish are for driving.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2446050]What do you guys think about Kaufmich?[/QUOTE]I knew some Germans who worked on Kaufmich, Shayen at GT and few others, I didn't go with them for 50 in clubs.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446030]I've been a member of ISG for a long time and it seems every once in a while one girl becomes very famous on these forums and many many people post about them before their star fades or they retire or another new girl becomes flavour of the month!

Like I remember when Marie of Oase dominated discussions, then in was Janine of Sharks, Saskia and Indira of Palace well before then, Gina from Palace too, now it seems Linda from Globe (and Megan) are the It Girls. Also I forgot Mady at Oase and Daisy at Maxim.

I'm sure I have forgotten others. Please add to this![/QUOTE]I can't compete because I'm only a baby in FKK land, only discovering on 29 December 2012 because not enough snow to ski. Only discovering Hessen on beginning of 2014 and Globe when following Katalina on Summer 2016. After Katalina, yes Linda is now Globe busiest, busier than Megan who has prettier face for me, but Linda is German. Katalina was Romanian from poorest part of Romania. Mady silicon was a star at History. Ch. I remember on our discovery on 10 December 2016, when I asked her if she wanted to repeat, a guy who seemed to know her wanted her, but she chose me, he was not happy in lockers when we finished when closing. But she became nothing at Oase, not busy, when she could work at Globe, not my business, one more who fell for business. Janine was a star at Sharks, but I don't think for her level in bed.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446184]One of the prettiest face seen in FKK land, when face is the most important for me, was Ramona Sharks becoming Sabina at Oase with her green eyes and beautiful teeth, a bit higher level than RTC.[/QUOTE]This was the Scarlett Johansson lookalike, right? I only got to session with her once, at Oase. She was very pretty indeed, a pity she disappeared. I heard she didn't handle the job well and just quit altogether.

Lmk if there's a better place to ask this. I'm asking about Germany because I figure if you can have a Euro alt / short hair girl anywhere it would be in Germany, occasionally I've seen strippers in the US with this look and I figure there's more punk culture in general in Europe, unless the young people there are culturally dead too.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446029]The other real stunner at Globe -- who used to work in Babylon too in Klagenfurt -- is Carmen. She too is Romanian, friendly, very beautiful, intelligent and great at conversation. My dream threesome at Globe will be with those too -- I've had threesomes with both but not at the same time. A foursome with myself plus Megan, Carmen and Linda in the VIP room is a goal for when the club re-opens!

The other real stunners I sessioned with this past year have been Sunny, Gloria, Amy and Carla at Globe and Leanna at FKK Palace plus Martha from Colombia. The most mindblowing sex was with Emma Swiss at Amesia and with Camy at Globe and Johanna at Globe. Mr. Ho have you been with Carmen? Also, you should try Aphrodisia.[/QUOTE]Yes for Megan, also for Berliner Leana at Palace who is even more impressive look than Megan for me, but low level in bed for me even friendly, but no wow for Carmen nor for Linda, even Linda is more attractive for me than Carmen. Next time You go to Globe, look at Angel face when she smiles, good choice for her name, even quite often closed face. Because of her quite big and not so firm popo, I missed Swiss EMA even she was smiling, and repeated with Milena who is elegant, charming and top GFE. EMA is rare at Amesia.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446181]Most of guys are afraid of too beautiful girls, furthermore when they look like women, not little girl. Just problem of self confidence with women. I remember German Rose at GT, what a model 1,80 , I saw her sitting waiting for hours, I thought there was a problem with her, I returned on next day to repeat with her, a real GFE beauty, I pay for this level of beauties. When I can claim I had the prettiest, Madi World was the most perfect look for me, Romanian, 29 yo, she was obsessed about her look with me.[/QUOTE]I agree with you here!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2446161]Vladivostok and Khabarovsk in Russia probably has some of the hottest girls on the planet. Personally I met a few of them in Macau saunas and even nightclubs at the casino's several years ago. They were mainly from Khabarovsk, but also a few from Vladivostok. And now I've spied on some others from that part of Russia on Instagram. Wow!

I believe the reason is simple. 100 years ago, Russia needed labor in the far east, and they feared China and Japan embarking on their territory. So they set up a campaign and paid the prettiest girls in Russia a lot of money to move to Khabarovsk and Vladivostok first. Then they did heavy marketing campaigns where they advertised all the beautiful ladies who had already moved there in order for working class men to follow suit. Quite clever if you ask me. The sad part is just how hard it is for us right now to fly all the way over there. Now the Asians I spoke to in Macau all refused to believe that these white girls were from Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. They would all swear on them being from Latvia or Eastern Europe. Perhaps so 4 generations ago (I bet some of the Asians here on this forum too don't really know the treasures you have so close to home also. Unfortunately I have no idea regarding p6 in those places. I suppose that is a bigger issue perhaps. But at least some of them had found their way into Macau, so there is probably a network there also.[/QUOTE]Many girls types in Russia: Siberians, Eurasians, Tatar, girls from Oural, girls with quite latina look. Russia is diverse and very rich for culture. I love Italy and look forward returning on Summer, I would not go to Wellcum if I didnt go for Zoncolan and now to try Gentile, but Russia is one of the most interesting country for me and not only because the prettiest women.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446184]Bulgarian model type with blue eyes, now with new upturned nose, Katrin at Oase.

Ester arrived at Sharks from Wuzburg or something like that, on beginning of September 2015, for IAA. At this time, high level Polish Karolina. Megan is far prettier than Ester and Evita for me. One of the prettiest face seen in FKK land, when face is the most important for me, was Ramona Sharks becoming Sabina at Oase with her green eyes and beautiful teeth, a bit higher level than RTC.[/QUOTE]I had a memorable session with Bulgarian Katrin a couple of years ago in Oase. I also met Ester but never sessioned with her. I agree Megan is far prettier than both of them.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446187]From what I see on TV or internet, Danish seem to be now the prettiest for me. Finnish are for driving.[/QUOTE]Possibly the most beautiful girl I've ever fucked in my life was from Helsinki. I fucked her in Berlin where she was working as an escort. Her escort name was Cami. She was breathtakingly beautiful. I invited her to my hotel in Charlottenburg and had an amazing time.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2446050]What do you guys think about Kaufmich?[/QUOTE]It can be really good. I have used it twice, once in Hamburg where I met a German girl called Eva -- which was an amazing 2 hour energetic session and again a few years later in Berlin where I again used kaufmich to session with another (older) German girl called Julia who was an ex-model and dancer. I remember this session because she squirted.

Kaufmich can be hit and miss but when its a hit it can be amazing.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2446161]Vladivostok and Khabarovsk in Russia probably has some of the hottest girls on the planet. Personally I met a few of them in Macau saunas and even nightclubs at the casino's several years ago. They were mainly from Khabarovsk, but also a few from Vladivostok. And now I've spied on some others from that part of Russia on Instagram. Wow![/QUOTE]One Russian city that often gets overlooked is Kazan in Tartarstan. There are a lot of smoking hot Russian girls from there, including with blonde hair and blue eyes if you like those features. I have fucked girls from all over Russia, mainly in Germany and Spain, with the one from the farthest east being from Siberia. Butt fucked her in Barcelona at one of the top casas there. She knew Spanish, and I remember her telling me that if I wanted her "culito", then it was her culito I was going to have. Enjoyed seeing her attractive, milk white face turn beet red as I penetrated into her far east, Ruskie girl anus.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2445338]That' true in my experience too -- most of the really pretty German girls at FKKs (not all but most) tend to be from Hamburg! In addition to Linda and the others you've listed, also I can remember way back in Palace in around 2007-2008 there was another beautiful German girl called Sophie who was also from Hamburg. Also at Artemis I recall Nele and then there was the famous model Marie from Oase -- but I never asked her which part of Germany she was from. Larissa at Harmony also. I think it might be as Ho says that Hamburg is close to Denmark. The funny thing is though that when I lived in Hamburg I didn't see so many beautiful blonde German girls -- of course I mean I did but not in any more numbers than in any other big German city.[/QUOTE]I should add one of my last girls in Globe, Ginneana, was also from Hamburg!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446190]I knew some Germans who worked on Kaufmich, Shayen at GT and few others, I didn't go with them for 50 in clubs.[/QUOTE]Shayen at GT on end of 2013/2014 , half German, half Turkish, with beautiful natural tits, but average face for me. Also German Coco worked on Kaufmich and at GT. I asked Tatjana about her, she brought me, Coco understood immediately when seeing my face, Tatjana was upset, but too average face. Being German is not enough to be desirable, for me.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446253]I should add one of my last girls in Globe, Ginneana, was also from Hamburg![/QUOTE]Usually, Hamburg blondes means very good news for me LOL.

[QUOTE=KelVarnsen;2446204]This was the Scarlett Johansson lookalike, right? I only got to session with her once, at Oase. She was very pretty indeed, a pity she disappeared. I heard she didn't handle the job well and just quit altogether.[/QUOTE]Yes, as I told her, she was prettier than Scarlet Johanson, she smiled when I told her. She hated this job and could see stress damages on her body, but what a sweet beauty, for me.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446247]Possibly the most beautiful girl I've ever fucked in my life was from Helsinki. I fucked her in Berlin where she was working as an escort. Her escort name was Cami. She was breathtakingly beautiful. I invited her to my hotel in Charlottenburg and had an amazing time.[/QUOTE]Which escort agency did you use?

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446253]I should add one of my last girls in Globe, Ginneana, was also from Hamburg![/QUOTE]You mean quite short dark hair German Gianina. Lovely and fire in bed. But I need prettier look, to pay Globe rate. She saw me with Joana when she stayed from 3 to 9 pm with me, but Joana was less sexy for me when she became brunette. I preferred Megan natural chestnut than Asian business blond she became at Sharks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2446252]One Russian city that often gets overlooked is Kazan in Tartarstan. There are a lot of smoking hot Russian girls from there, including with blonde hair and blue eyes if you like those features. I have fucked girls from all over Russia, mainly in Germany and Spain, with the one from the farthest east being from Siberia. Butt fucked her in Barcelona at one of the top casas there. She knew Spanish, and I remember her telling me that if I wanted her "culito", then it was her culito I was going to have. Enjoyed seeing her attractive, milk white face turn beet red as I penetrated into her far east, Ruskie girl anus.[/QUOTE]Yes, Tatar girls are fire in bed. Siberians are fire under ice. Speaking Russian help with Russian girls, for more intimacy.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446250]It can be really good. I have used it twice, once in Hamburg where I met a German girl called Eva -- which was an amazing 2 hour energetic session and again a few years later in Berlin where I again used kaufmich to session with another (older) German girl called Julia who was an ex-model and dancer. I remember this session because she squirted.

Kaufmich can be hit and miss but when its a hit it can be amazing.[/QUOTE]Forgot her name, never been with her because not pretty enough for me, claiming to be Spanish, one at LR squirted a lot, she was funny she took many towels to go to room. I think to remember she moved to Sakura. One at Bab, she moved to Finca, squirted while DATY, what a surprise, I had in nose, I swallowed, she was funny she apologized. I prefer honey or milky juice.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446242]I had a memorable session with Bulgarian Katrin a couple of years ago in Oase. I also met Ester but never sessioned with her. I agree Megan is far prettier than both of them..[/QUOTE]Comparison to before, there are much less Bulgarians now as well, just like Polish.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2446213]Lmk if there's a better place to ask this. I'm asking about Germany because I figure if you can have a Euro alt / short hair girl anywhere it would be in Germany, occasionally I've seen strippers in the US with this look and I figure there's more punk culture in general in Europe, unless the young people there are culturally dead too.[/QUOTE]For punky hair, you have blond Romanian Ela at Globe, you can look on website Globe. Ch. German Gianina is hair to shoulders. German Mio and before German Lana who moved to Aphrodisia, full tattooed. If still at GT, German Sara full tattooed. For punk look.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2446053]Beauty differs a lot between places in Scandinavia. But if you only go to the capitols, then Helsinki perhaps has the hottest girls.[/QUOTE]It doesn't really matter in this discussion, but it could be good to know, that Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia.

But, the mistake to include Finland is common, also among people living in Scandinavia. :-)

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2446416]It doesn't really matter in this discussion, but it could be good to know, that Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia.

But, the mistake to include Finland is common, also among people living in Scandinavia.[/QUOTE]Although a Nordic country, Finland is not Scandinavian. On the other hand, people often don't think of Iceland and the Faroe Islands as Scandinavian, but they are properly included as well.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2446416]It doesn't really matter in this discussion, but it could be good to know, that Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia.

But, the mistake to include Finland is common, also among people living in Scandinavia.[/QUOTE]Not sure why I do this again, but I've discussed this probably 10+ times. The term was first coined by an Italian explorer who named the peninsula Fenno-Scandia. Nobody has made any other distinctions ever. Meaning Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia (Kola Peninsula) are the real Scandinavia. Not Denmark. Denmark used to be before the Napoleonic wars when they lost 'Scania' to Sweden because they took the loosing side of Napoleon. So because french people are useless in war, Denmark is not Scandinavia. But I suppose French people who denies history would still argue for them being part of it still. LOL.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2446242]I had a memorable session with Bulgarian Katrin a couple of years ago in Oase. I also met Ester but never sessioned with her. I agree Megan is far prettier than both of them.[/QUOTE]I sessioned with Katrina, Ester and Megan. I don't think it possible to have a session with Katrina that is not memorable. In my case I was not at my best when we met in 2018 although I did climax. I saw a lot of potential with Katrina and badly wanted to repeat. However, I never got the opportunity to meet her again and have not yet seen her reputed new nose.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446292]Usually, Hamburg blondes means very good news for me LOL.[/QUOTE]But Gianina at Globe is brunette. I think to remember she told me she is half Hungarian.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2446470]I sessioned with Katrina, Ester and Megan. I don't think it possible to have a session with Katrina that is not memorable. In my case I was not at my best when we met in 2018 although I did climax. I saw a lot of potential with Katrina and badly wanted to repeat. However, I never got the opportunity to meet her again and have not yet seen her reputed new nose.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but when she started at Oase, I think on 2016, had only average room, even kissing for only 50 for 30 mn, but lack of sensuality for Katrin. Never repeated. I found her much prettier with new upturned nose on 2019, but, when Romanian woman types are usually good for me, I m not too much into Bulgarians, even I loved Aylice at Sharks on 2015. Also never repeated with Ester I tried when she just arrived at Sharks on Summer 2015, lovely behavior but no wow for look and in bed.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2445338]That' true in my experience too -- most of the really pretty German girls at FKKs (not all but most) tend to be from Hamburg! In addition to Linda and the others you've listed, also I can remember way back in Palace in around 2007-2008 there was another beautiful German girl called Sophie who was also from Hamburg. Also at Artemis I recall Nele and then there was the famous model Marie from Oase -- but I never asked her which part of Germany she was from. Larissa at Harmony also. I think it might be as Ho says that Hamburg is close to Denmark. The funny thing is though that when I lived in Hamburg I didn't see so many beautiful blonde German girls -- of course I mean I did but not in any more numbers than in any other big German city.[/QUOTE]The other possibility is that they don't have to be telling the truth. Hamburg is a big city known for prostitution, it's like a stripper saying they're from Vegas. One of my German blonde faves from Palace claims Hamburg too. But Marie was from Koln, I don't think that was a lie, I could tell from how she talked about the city.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2446517]The other possibility is that they don't have to be telling the truth. Hamburg is a big city known for prostitution, it's like a stripper saying they're from Vegas. One of my German blonde faves from Palace claims Hamburg too. But Marie was from Koln, I don't think that was a lie, I could tell from how she talked about the city.[/QUOTE]True they could be lying but Linda, for example, knew about the various neighbourhoods of the city (I used to live in Hamburg) when we had a chat. I don't really see the point of lying because unlike Vegas, every city in Germany has a red light district with legal prostitution and FKKS etc.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2446517]The other possibility is that they don't have to be telling the truth. Hamburg is a big city known for prostitution, it's like a stripper saying they're from Vegas. One of my German blonde faves from Palace claims Hamburg too. But Marie was from Koln, I don't think that was a lie, I could tell from how she talked about the city.[/QUOTE]I know many Germans: Gigi, Ina, Tabea, telling they are from Koln. Joana from Hanover, many from poor Rhur. All Germany and all Germans are not rich. Hamburg mean most often north, but prostitution culture there.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446474]But Gianina at Globe is brunette. I think to remember she told me she is half Hungarian.[/QUOTE]They say many things about nationalities, I never fully believe unless sometimes management tells me by mistake. But I do not have one fix type like you, I do like german stunner, but I also like romanian stunner, as long as they look in same range as models, I will go for or hottest girl in college look. I just tend to like German stunner the best in FKK because they can be most dirty.

Your session is not same level as me, it is more mental work for girls as they have to act for you to give you woman or princess session as you said it, which actually is more annoying for girls as you want to know a lot about their private lives to you claim you see their ID because you want to know which town they are from etc. Girls don't like that by the way. It is brothel, not normal bar.

My session is heavily sexual session, it involve rimming my anal, I sit on their face, their tongue in my anal, spit in mouth, DFK, a lot of licking, sucking and fucking, so it is different level and direction. I don't care about behavior I care about crazy sex in FKK, and I must say all girls in FKK they are all very nice, I only met one that was not so nice, but I fucked her hardcore in room to punish her so it is OK LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446575]They say many things about nationalities, I never fully believe unless sometimes management tells me by mistake. But I do not have one fix type like you, I do like german stunner, but I also like romanian stunner, as long as they look in same range as models, I will go for or hottest girl in college look. I just tend to like German stunner the best in FKK because they can be most dirty.

Your session is not same level as me, it is more mental work for girls as they have to act for you to give you woman or princess session as you said it, which actually is more annoying for girls as you want to know a lot about their private lives to you claim you see their ID because you want to know which town they are from etc. Girls don't like that by the way. It is brothel, not normal bar.

My session is heavily sexual session, it involve rimming my anal, I sit on their face, their tongue in my anal, spit in mouth, DFK, a lot of licking, sucking and fucking, so it is different level and direction. I don't care about behavior I care about crazy sex in FKK, and I must say all girls in FKK they are all very nice, I only met one that was not so nice, but I fucked her hardcore in room to punish her so it is OK LOL![/QUOTE]I'm sure German girls won't say they are Romanian. Some Romanians prefer to say they are Moldavian, meaning they are from Iasie or around, or Spanish or Italian when they lived there, but I like Romanian beauties with good manners, I like they play woman with me when they experience my manners, I like to make them improve, following me. Yes, behavior and image is the most important for me, like face is the most important for me for look. From my previous life, I don't have sexual frustration, I can just thank my girlfriends for what I learned with them. When most in brothels saying you are big, not in real life, I have to be careful, not to hurt them, even some say I fuck more than 20 yo guys, my real sports pay for this. I never ask them for private information, they give me when speaking, sometimes they need to speak to put off pressure, some feel really lonely because they can't speak with family, they know about jealousy between girls so they can't trust other girls, same jealousy between guys. So they need to speak, and they can become really talkative, look at lightning face when they show child photos, sometimes with tears or crying, when I never asked for. They are prostitutes, but most often still young woman inside and I'm interested by the woman inside, even only in club. I never wrote private information: real name or address, so many would be so happy to send message to the girl. But, same like for virus, we get from girls from our behavior, from how we treat them, from what we are. I became probably the most complicated client for my best FKK girl, but each time I returned to her, she did welcome me when she had bigger money clients, she delayed them and even a guy who booked her whole week end, for me. I never thought she was in love for me, and when some think I am, from my manners with them, and girls like to have lovers as long they don t harass them, but she understood I was not for her, after stopping with her many times or answering her I won t come, I go to ski, but she always chose me first, and not the only one, but most of my regulars who are the prettiest and most often busy. There must be a reason to choose a more complicated one to manage, rather than easier bigger money, maybe because they prefer to go with the most complicated bad guy, but who treat them better with his manners and respect than others. Many told me they prefer to start their day with me, because they feel safe, relax, giving them courage for after. But I think You are right, we may be very different behavior with women. From women I had in my life, my mother and grandmother and girlfriends, I can only love women, I don't have frustration about them, only about life, and girls feel very fast how we are.

I have disclosed the FKK girls I have met with the best personality and also the best looking. Now for the best service ever received from an FKK provider and this is easy. The clear winner would be Michelle from Switzerland who I met at Oase prior to 2010. Long time FKK hobbyists would remember her. Some claimed that she was not all that great looking but she was good enough for me. She had bouncy breasts when she walked. I think I differ from many guys on this forum in that during sex I like many different positions. So after foreplay which would include DFK, BBBJ and DATY I enjoy FS in all manners of rumpy-pumpy. Well Michelle matched if not exceeded my penchant for multiple positions. In the room we experimented with positions that I am certain the Kamasutra was unaware of. She upside down, me upside down, all different angles sometimes taking a tumble off the bed, always with mirth and laughter. What a girl and what a fine mind, consistently remembering in detail the following year what we did the previous year. I wonder what these girls do after they leave the business.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446672]I'm sure German girls won't say they are Romanian.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of the time that I asked a cute girl at Artemis if she was Romanian. She feigned being offended and said, "No, I'm German"! I whispered, "German is better". She said, "You don't have to whisper it". Ha! She had dark blonde hair, a cute face, short stature, with a nice, round butt. And still I didn't get her name, let alone fuck her hehehe!

Hi,

Does anyone have any information on what's up with Jurgen Rudloff & Michael Beretin?

(the guys we see in so many documentaries about Germany's brothels and FKKs).

They were on on "Mega Brothel" aired in Ch4 in 2015 (I'm assuming people here saw this great documentary).

There's a 2019 rumor going around that Beretin and Rudloff are in jail now because they used some German gangs to force girls into the business.

Is it true?

I'd appreciate any information on the subject, thanks.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2446772]Hi,

Does anyone have any information on what's up with Jurgen Rudloff & Michael Beretin?

(the guys we see in so many documentaries about Germany's brothels and FKKs).

They were on on "Mega Brothel" aired in Ch4 in 2015 (I'm assuming people here saw this great documentary).

There's a 2019 rumor going around that Beretin and Rudloff are in jail now because they used some German gangs to force girls into the business.

Is it true?

I'd appreciate any information on the subject, thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't know about these guys, but Kennan the owner of Artemis was wrongly jailed for 3 months for tax evasion, cheating social securities of girls and suspicion of connection with hells angels. But later all or most charges were dropped. The club was raided with like 800 cops with special swat team etc with guns and tactical gear, whatta show media and polizei were trying to portray.

I still remember how media wrote about Artemis, it was so wrong, they tried to make the club sound like some kind of evil ghetto fabulous place with gang, mafia and girls are forced with violence and crying during work.

I am not sure girls are not happy to work in FKK, but it is nothing like how media tried to portray Artemis during those days.

Poor Kenna the brothel owner had to jerk off on daily basis in jail for no proper reason to be there.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2446672]I'm sure German girls won't say they are Romanian. Some Romanians prefer to say they are Moldavian, meaning they are from Iasie or around, or Spanish or Italian when they lived there, but I like Romanian beauties with good manners, I like they play woman with me when they experience my manners, I like to make them improve, following me. Yes, behavior and image is the most important for me, like face is the most important for me for look. From my previous life, I don't have sexual frustration, I can just thank my girlfriends for what I learned with them. When most in brothels saying you are big, not in real life, I have to be careful, not to hurt them, even some say I fuck more than 20 yo guys, my real sports pay for this. I never ask them for private information, they give me when speaking, sometimes they need to speak to put off pressure, some feel really lonely because they can't speak with family, they know about jealousy between girls so they can't trust other girls, same jealousy between guys. So they need to speak, and they can become really talkative, look at lightning face when they show child photos, sometimes with tears or crying, when I never asked for. They are prostitutes, but most often still young woman inside and I'm interested by the woman inside, even only in club. I never wrote private information: real name or address, so many would be so happy to send message to the girl. But, same like for virus, we get from girls from our behavior, from how we treat them, from what we are..[/QUOTE]I have been to chisinau moldova twice, and Unlike romania, there in moldova I did monger as my friend there is guy, and it was really good and it is more russian direction beauties than romania actually, but it is related country.

However, I fucked so many russian beauties all over eastern europe that I prefer more western european beauties, I miss czech, polish that is different to russian beauties, austrians that are almost gone from line up and thankfully german stunners are still here and there in FKK line up.

As for romanians, there are so many, so stunners are easy to spot, so instead of complaining saying too many romanians, I like to appreciate their domination and hope for more germans or some other races to come back into FKK line up.

I have good pure tourist memory from romania with no mongering there in their home nation, but when I look at romania in news or when I hear romania, all I think about is crazy sex with all the romanian beauties I fucked LOL! I cum in their mouth, spit in their mouth, they licked my anal with toungue inside my anal, I put finger in their ass, I fucked their anal, pussies and I deep throat them, I love romanians, whatta wonderful race! LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2446731]I have disclosed the FKK girls I have met with the best personality and also the best looking. Now for the best service ever received from an FKK provider and this is easy. The clear winner would be Michelle from Switzerland who I met at Oase prior to 2010. Long time FKK hobbyists would remember her. Some claimed that she was not all that great looking but she was good enough for me. She had bouncy breasts when she walked. I think I differ from many guys on this forum in that during sex I like many different positions. So after foreplay which would include DFK, BBBJ and DATY I enjoy FS in all manners of rumpy-pumpy. Well Michelle matched if not exceeded my penchant for multiple positions. In the room we experimented with positions that I am certain the Kamasutra was unaware of. She upside down, me upside down, all different angles sometimes taking a tumble off the bed, always with mirth and laughter. What a girl and what a fine mind, consistently remembering in detail the following year what we did the previous year. I wonder what these girls do after they leave the business.[/QUOTE]All the FKK girls I session with were best personality except one I met in Oase, which I seemed to caught her in bad mood and was not nice, so I did fuck her Pierre woodman style to punish her in room later LOL.

However, all the rest were best personality and all of them eventually DFK my anal LOL, for me DFK to mouth is never big problem in negotiating it is DFK to my anal aka rimjob or rimming which is big issue, some do not want to till I repeat few times LOL. But all of them eventually did and I must say they were nice enough to make my fetish come true, so I appreciate their service and willingness because these dirty memories still echoes and echoes in eternity for me.

Not just girls in FKK, but all the staffs in FKK too are nice like I often read negative comment about FKK oceans reception, I never had any issue with entrance fee or their attitude, I tell them I took the bus and it is fine, which by the way most of time, I did take the bus and those time I took the taxi, I get off at I think it is isuzu or suzuki garage just 50 m down the street, which I have more problem with taxi drivers as they know what I am doing LOL. So it is more problem with taxi drivers than oceans reception desk. Security, staffs, cleaning ladies and all girls I met in FKK are nice. Never had an issue or bad experience except one girl as I mentioned, which I turned into good session in different way anyways LOL.

Even some negative review girl like Stella at palace, which I read many report about her not doing DFK, now she is retired so I can mention, but I had no problem with DFK with her on the mouth, but it was anal rimming that was problem till I repeated few times. All girls are nice in FKK, at least 99 percent of them.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446937]All the FKK girls I session with were best personality except one I met in Oase, which I seemed to caught her in bad mood and was not nice, so I did fuck her Pierre woodman style to punish her in room later LOL.

However, all the rest were best personality and all of them eventually DFK my anal LOL, for me DFK to mouth is never big problem in negotiating it is DFK to my anal aka rimjob or rimming which is big issue, some do not want to till I repeat few times LOL. But all of them eventually did and I must say they were nice enough to make my fetish come true, so I appreciate their service and willingness because these dirty memories still echoes and echoes in eternity for me.

Not just girls in FKK, but all the staffs in FKK too are nice like I often read negative comment about FKK oceans reception, I never had any issue with entrance fee or their attitude, I tell them I took the bus and it is fine, which by the way most of time, I did take the bus and those time I took the taxi, I get off at I think it is isuzu or suzuki garage just 50 m down the street, which I have more problem with taxi drivers as they know what I am doing LOL. So it is more problem with taxi drivers than oceans reception desk. Security, staffs, cleaning ladies and all girls I met in FKK are nice. Never had an issue or bad experience except one girl as I mentioned, which I turned into good session in different way anyways LOL.

Even some negative review girl like Stella at palace, which I read many report about her not doing DFK, now she is retired so I can mention, but I had no problem with DFK with her on the mouth, but it was anal rimming that was problem till I repeated few times. All girls are nice in FKK, at least 99 percent of them.[/QUOTE]I do not have such exotic tastes like you such as DFK anal. I like BBBJ very much but so few girls do it fantastically. Perhaps 1 out of every 100 girls can do a fantastic BJ. By fantastic I mean that I am lying on the bed and the girl is blowing me and has me stretching and wriggling my body, Banging my fists on the bed and twitching and kicking my legs wildly. I don't know how or what they are doing, perhaps they have something in their mouths although I never really inquired. When I get that experience I like the BBBJ more than FS or even BBFS and inevitably CIM. I have had that experience only in the Caribbean and Brazil.

As to DFK anal I don't ask that of any provider and take it only when initiated by the girl. It has never been offered to me in FKK. That being said it was always part of the package in saunas that I went to in China and also in Thailand. I actually don't really like it and could do without it. DFK on the mouth is much better for me although now you have me considering where that mouth might have been.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2447012]I do not have such exotic tastes like you such as DFK anal. I like BBBJ very much but so few girls do it fantastically. Perhaps 1 out of every 100 girls can do a fantastic BJ. By fantastic I mean that I am lying on the bed and the girl is blowing me and has me stretching and wriggling my body, Banging my fists on the bed and twitching and kicking my legs wildly. I don't know how or what they are doing, perhaps they have something in their mouths although I never really inquired. When I get that experience I like the BBBJ more than FS or even BBFS and inevitably CIM. I have had that experience only in the Caribbean and Brazil.[/QUOTE]For me, sometimes it isn't necessarily that the BBBJ is out of this world, but I'm so turned on the by the girl that she still gets the job done. I mean, there has got to be some good technique there, but I can still enjoy the BJ very much so if the girl really turns me on. Like blue-eyed, blonde Lilia from Kiel, Germany at Artemis. Was her BBBJ / CIM the absolute best I ever had? No, but it was good enough, and she was so hot that I exploded a huge, huge, huge load of thick sperm all over her lips and mouth. For me, the best BBBJs have been from Brazilian girls, with the best being a Brasiliera I discovered at Globe. Sucked my dick so good had my legs literally levitating up off of the bed hahaha! Spurted all in her greedy mouth. I didn't get CIM service so much until I thought it was going away. Then, I started paying for it with every session LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446937]However, all the rest were best personality and all of them eventually DFK my anal LOL, for me DFK to mouth is never big problem in negotiating it is DFK to my anal aka rimjob or rimming which is big issue, some do not want to till I repeat few times LOL. But all of them eventually did and I must say they were nice enough to make my fetish come true, so I appreciate their service and willingness because these dirty memories still echoes and echoes in eternity for me.[/QUOTE]I also like getting my ass licked by girls; some of them refuse but the majority agree especially if its my second or third time with them and especially if I've made them cum after DATY first. Mr. Ho, did Linda agree to rim you?

Let's have some fun while we wait for the clubs to open back up. Everyone chime in and answer this question-.

If all the FKKs opened back up on the same day, which club would be your first choice to visit? And why is this your favorite club?

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2447089]Let's have some fun while we wait for the clubs to open back up. Everyone chime in and answer this question-.

If all the FKKs opened back up on the same day, which club would be your first choice to visit? And why is this your favorite club?[/QUOTE]Whenever I go on a trip, I like to mix things up with something old and something new. I will typically start out with the familiar, and for me, when it comes to Germany that means flying into Frankfurt and hitting Palace on the very first afternoon / evening. I can't say that Palace is my favorite FKK, but it is one of them. Besides, there's some sentimental feelings for me around the place since Palace was the very first FKK that I ever went to, and my very first favorite FKK girl was blonde, Czech Gina (before she messed up her face and body with plastic surgery).

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2447089]Let's have some fun while we wait for the clubs to open back up. Everyone chime in and answer this question-.

If all the FKKs opened back up on the same day, which club would be your first choice to visit? And why is this your favorite club?[/QUOTE]What I miss most are my beloved mountains, real deep frustration for no ski. Since my last FKK day on 14 March, only 1 escort on 1 April. When I crossed Paris for wow look Liana, but found another girl, even she looked sweet, smiling lovely, but not wow look, when she asked: you don't like me? I left. I manage easy. Look forward my climbing as soon as possible. Brothels can't compete.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447097]What I miss most are my beloved mountains, real deep frustration for no ski. Since my last FKK day on 14 March, only 1 escort on 1 April. When I crossed Paris for wow look Liana, but found another girl, even she looked sweet, smiling lovely, but not wow look, when she asked: you don't like me? I left. I manage easy. Look forward my climbing as soon as possible. Brothels can't compete.[/QUOTE]In Germany, I'd go to FKK Palace followed by Oase.

In Switzerland, Globe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2447012]I do not have such exotic tastes like you such as DFK anal. I like BBBJ very much but so few girls do it fantastically. Perhaps 1 out of every 100 girls can do a fantastic BJ. By fantastic I mean that I am lying on the bed and the girl is blowing me and has me stretching and wriggling my body, Banging my fists on the bed and twitching and kicking my legs wildly. I don't know how or what they are doing, perhaps they have something in their mouths although I never really inquired. When I get that experience I like the BBBJ more than FS or even BBFS and inevitably CIM. I have had that experience only in the Caribbean and Brazil.

As to DFK anal I don't ask that of any provider and take it only when initiated by the girl. It has never been offered to me in FKK. That being said it was always part of the package in saunas that I went to in China and also in Thailand. I actually don't really like it and could do without it. DFK on the mouth is much better for me although now you have me considering where that mouth might have been.[/QUOTE]I have to ask and negotiate, but once in a while girls rim me for free included in session, but that is rare like once or twice per year, more like once LOL, but it is nice when it happens because rimming is usually extra. I can comment on it as now she quit the job and I only comment on girls who quit, Geraldine the Hungarian stunner in Artemis used to rim me for free in one hour session that I repeated over almost two years, but eventually she only came to take one old client who took her for whole day, and other clients had no room to book her, but hey two years was more than enough, I get bit bored after fucking same girl for one year, rest are more like engrave the session into my memory sessions, but regular sessions are always nice, just no so refreshing. I love it more when I find new stunner walking into main bar of FKK and I am like wow, then I feel this sense of gratitude and feel so alive.

Some girls say they don't do rimjob, but eventually as I repeat, they open up and rim me, but usually it is 50 euro extra except for some lucky included sessions as I mentioned above, but it is rare only once or twice per year.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447097]What I miss most are my beloved mountains, real deep frustration for no ski. Since my last FKK day on 14 March, only 1 escort on 1 April. When I crossed Paris for wow look Liana, but found another girl, even she looked sweet, smiling lovely, but not wow look, when she asked: you don't like me? I left. I manage easy. Look forward my climbing as soon as possible. Brothels can't compete.[/QUOTE]You are not allowed to go to mountain alone? I mean you are not disturbing anybody or putting anyone in danger of infection. For ski, you need a lift, so you can do cross country skiing by walking up the mountain and ski down. Laws forbid you to do this?

At least you are not missing your fake session with prostitutes in brothel or escort, but missing real beautiful nature.

And at least, we already fucked in FKK land this year already, the fortune of mongering was on our side LOL! One thing for sure is I live best sex life since age 17 fucking all the stunners how I want LOL!

Even FKK open, it maybe wise to wait little bit unless you want to destroy lung, it probably wise to go back to FKK sometimes later in summer before winter arrives, but not too fast.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2447012]I do not have such exotic tastes like you such as DFK anal. I like BBBJ very much but so few girls do it fantastically. Perhaps 1 out of every 100 girls can do a fantastic BJ. By fantastic I mean that I am lying on the bed and the girl is blowing me and has me stretching and wriggling my body, Banging my fists on the bed and twitching and kicking my legs wildly. I don't know how or what they are doing, perhaps they have something in their mouths although I never really inquired. When I get that experience I like the BBBJ more than FS or even BBFS and inevitably CIM. I have had that experience only in the Caribbean and Brazil.

As to DFK anal I don't ask that of any provider and take it only when initiated by the girl. It has never been offered to me in FKK. That being said it was always part of the package in saunas that I went to in China and also in Thailand. I actually don't really like it and could do without it. DFK on the mouth is much better for me although now you have me considering where that mouth might have been.[/QUOTE]I agree, skillful for BJ = able to read your reactions, to find sensitive spots, are quite rare. Most are little robots with ice cream or bone.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2447111]In Germany, I'd go to FKK Palace followed by Oase.

In Switzerland, Globe.[/QUOTE]I think I would look at Amesia tagesplan first. Amesia have more interesting girls for me now, more close to normal life for behavior, more charm for me, for less expensive than Globe which fell for me for charm and level of looks. When I think about Globe now, since beginning of 2019, only 1 target to discover, but no need to rush to. Freubad during Summer can also worth with garden with swimming pool, can eat outside, and the closest to my mountains. But knowing Swiss and Germans, I think Austria may reopen first, even Carinthia on Italian border may be at risk. Maybe time to discover wonderful Vienna, since I listen to Ultravox on 1980. In France, no real freedom until beginning of June, but wish to run to Dolomiti for my holidays climbing tour. At the moment, I worry much more about economic crisis and to save my earning on same level, than brothels. I don t miss so much, when I miss much more oxygen in my blood. When open, I can go nearly when I want because I can most often organize to work from where I want, not possible under virus because I have to make respect too many safety working rules, but when closed, I can manage without, when I miss so much my real sports. Really sad winter which is my favorite season, for me.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2447094]Whenever I go on a trip, I like to mix things up with something old and something new. I will typically start out with the familiar, and for me, when it comes to Germany that means flying into Frankfurt and hitting Palace on the very first afternoon / evening. I can't say that Palace is my favorite FKK, but it is one of them. Besides, there's some sentimental feelings for me around the place since Palace was the very first FKK that I ever went to, and my very first favorite FKK girl was blonde, Czech Gina (before she messed up her face and body with plastic surgery).[/QUOTE]I like your idea of something old and something new. Cheapest flights across the pond are into AMS or Frankfurt. If AMS, I will sadly miss YY but will still enjoy my old favorite GT. Even when the LU is stale at GT, it's good to hang out with fellow ice bears, good group of mongers there. If I land at Frankfurt, I will be tempted by Sharks but will choose Oase because I like the optics at the hot tub and food area. I have never been to Palace but for something new, maybe I can drive to Globe. As for Siri and his mountains, I am only capable of climbing the stairs at sharks, and only for an amazing Ro!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2447182]I like your idea of something old and something new. Cheapest flights across the pond are into AMS or Frankfurt. If AMS, I will sadly miss YY but will still enjoy my old favorite GT. Even when the LU is stale at GT, it's good to hang out with fellow ice bears, good group of mongers there. If I land at Frankfurt, I will be tempted by Sharks but will choose Oase because I like the optics at the hot tub and food area. I have never been to Palace but for something new, maybe I can drive to Globe. As for Siri and his mountains, I am only capable of climbing the stairs at sharks, and only for an amazing Ro![/QUOTE]If you climb 10 times a day, Sharks stairs to room, a bit of sport. If you are able to fuck for about 30 mn without finishing in 1mn30, also good for heart. When I'm lucky to find a attractive girl, I prefer to take her hand, starting foreplay, when she is on high heels. Attractive are so rare for me, if she falls and break something, then I can just lick my dick, when most often, no second target.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2447089]Let's have some fun while we wait for the clubs to open back up. Everyone chime in and answer this question-.

If all the FKKs opened back up on the same day, which club would be your first choice to visit? And why is this your favorite club?[/QUOTE]Although I rarely go because there's only one FKK in Berlin, Artemis was, in my opinion, the best of them all.

The size, food, entertainment / bar area, wellness area downstairs, women! And something about Berlin.

There was a tall, tan, shiny / oily skinned Polish girl with a clit piercing. Laura, I think was her name. Her body was always so tan and shiny with incredible thigh gap.

After 2008-2010 I looked for her at Artemis and was told she went down to Globe.

I went looking for her but never found her, as the other girls said "she went normal". Haha!

Now, years later, I arrive in Frankfurt and hit Palace as my first spot, then Sharks, then Mainhatten. Palace was good 10+ years ago too.

It's still ok, back then there were lots of tall supermodel looking blonds, natural, sexy, etc but now most are nasty and want $100. I'm still a cheap $50 for everything guy. Haha!

After 10-15 days or so in Frankfurt, I'll travel by train down to Zurich and hit up Globe and a few others. Something about all the kissing at Globe brings me back.

Then I'll come back and either head to Berlin for a week or so or head over to Dusseldorf / Cologne to a couple of cheaper places that I like for the prices and food!

Ex. Samya - $30/ entrance + great food + $30/ girl BBBJ + FS for 30 min.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2446885]I don't know about these guys, but Kennan the owner of Artemis was wrongly jailed for 3 months for tax evasion, cheating social securities of girls and suspicion of connection with hells angels. But later all or most charges were dropped. The club was raided with like 800 cops with special swat team etc with guns and tactical gear, whatta show media and polizei were trying to portray.

I still remember how media wrote about Artemis, it was so wrong, they tried to make the club sound like some kind of evil ghetto fabulous place with gang, mafia and girls are forced with violence and crying during work.

I am not sure girls are not happy to work in FKK, but it is nothing like how media tried to portray Artemis during those days.

Poor Kenna the brothel owner had to jerk off on daily basis in jail for no proper reason to be there.[/QUOTE]Why on earth did they need 800 cops?

What were they expecting?

Was there ever an explanation to that?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447097]What I miss most are my beloved mountains, real deep frustration for no ski. Since my last FKK day on 14 March, only 1 escort on 1 April. When I crossed Paris for wow look Liana, but found another girl, even she looked sweet, smiling lovely, but not wow look, when she asked: you don't like me? I left. I manage easy. Look forward my climbing as soon as possible. Brothels can't compete.[/QUOTE]It is so fortunate when one can enjoy nature more than mongering. As for me when I was a teenager with raging hormones I enjoyed sports (baseball, football, soccer) and nature (such as hiking and surfing) more than sex. But then tragedy struck when I dislocated my knee playing football at age 21. I could no longer do what I did before and turned to sex for comfort. There has been no looking back since.
I look forward to the reopening of FKKs where I can indulge in sexercize with my favorites, Europeans.

Totally so a nature lover should spend his weekends in the woods and not in his car or in a sexclub. So many nice landscapes to enjoy in Europe.

52 days since any action. Fuck corona.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2447282]52 days since any action. Fuck corona.[/QUOTE]I don't know m8! Perhaps dicks have shrunk slightly since the lockdowns, but fucking a corona virus would probably be hard even for the smallest dicks among us.

Haha. It's more the other way around right now.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2447300]I don't know m8! Perhaps dicks have shrunk slightly since the lockdowns, but fucking a corona virus would probably be hard even for the smallest dicks among us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2447259]It is so fortunate when one can enjoy nature more than mongering. As for me when I was a teenager with raging hormones I enjoyed sports (baseball, football, soccer) and nature (such as hiking and surfing) more than sex. But then tragedy struck when I dislocated my knee playing football at age 21. I could no longer do what I did before and turned to sex for comfort. There has been no looking back since.
I look forward to the reopening of FKKs where I can indulge in sexercize with my favorites, Europeans.[/QUOTE]Since confined, no ski is a really big frustration for my mind. As soon, we are allowed in France, I speed to climb. Only 1 escort since mid March, when I was used to have about 6 times with girls per week, but I m not in the mood, only to work, so I don't miss much. From my German friend when many Germans are jealous, German brothels should not reopen before Summer, meaning maybe after Summer, so after my climbing tour. Maybe Austria and Switzerland will reopen earlier. I don't think for Spain.

There was a blonde girl with a Moslem sounding name. Fatima? Forgot. Really pretty, amazing DFK. Was 5 or 6 years ago. Absolutely loved her. Artemis was not my go to club by any stretch but she was one of the bright lights of my trips for a few trips in those days. In those days Atemis used to see a good number of Kino fucks. While public sex is not my thing, this chick gave me one of the few public BJs I have agreed to and it was worth it, as there were a couple of other couples fucking in eye sight while I enjoyed my BJ.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2447209]Why on earth did they need 800 cops?

What were they expecting?

Was there ever an explanation to that?[/QUOTE]You can google it, it was something ridiculous like 800 cops, but some with full tactical gear.

Why? Politic and also to put up the show.

MY guess is real behind the scene for the raid is that owners did not pay under the table money enough. Like did not employ politician or high ranked police man's son or something like that.

In the end, they found nothing or not much and he was released after few months.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447321]Since confined, no ski is a really big frustration for my mind. As soon, we are allowed in France, I speed to climb. Only 1 escort since mid March, when I was used to have about 6 times with girls per week, but I m not in the mood, only to work, so I don't miss much. From my German friend when many Germans are jealous, German brothels should not reopen before Summer, meaning maybe after Summer, so after my climbing tour. Maybe Austria and Switzerland will reopen earlier. I don't think for Spain.[/QUOTE]You said you are used to about 6 girls per week? You also claimed you drive to German FKK every weekend.

That would be you are mongering everyday. And you also claimed you are poor. It is hard to believe siri LOL! How? LOL.

Is it common for men to walk around naked in an FKK? What about erections? I went to a nude beach once and really couldn't keep it down much.

[QUOTE=Okinko;2447397]Is it common for men to walk around naked in an FKK? What about erections? I went to a nude beach once and really couldn't keep it down much.[/QUOTE]In the showers, you will be naked with other men unless you choose not to shower. Also, at the lockers when changing. If you take a swim or sit in sauna, you could be naked. You can strut around naked if you want to, no one will likely stop you. You can also fuck a girl in the open if she agrees to public sex. Not too many guys are naked in the main lounges, in fact almost none.

Do you get hard wood when in the presence of naked chicks, or naked men?

My guess is that it will he novel for a few minutes then you will get used to the scenery and lose your hardness just like the rest of us.

Oh, for the glorious youth when I used to get hard just looking at a naked chick, or even girls in bikinis on the beach, or girls in playboy magazine!

[QUOTE=Okinko;2447397]Is it common for men to walk around naked in an FKK? What about erections? I went to a nude beach once and really couldn't keep it down much.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] I have seen some monger walking around in German FKK butt naked few times. There was this really old guy in Artemis, who walk around the main bar totally nude LOL and that seems to be all he does while he is in Artemis, just walk around totally nude, sometimes with erection (with Viagra?) LOL. It maybe he lost it a bit because he seemed really old, at least 75 or it is his fetish to do so. Whatever make him happy.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2447192]Although I rarely go because there's only one FKK in Berlin, Artemis was, in my opinion, the best of them all.

The size, food, entertainment / bar area, wellness area downstairs, women! And something about Berlin.

There was a tall, tan, shiny / oily skinned Polish girl with a clit piercing. Laura, I think was her name. Her body was always so tan and shiny with incredible thigh gap.

After 2008-2010 I looked for her at Artemis and was told she went down to Globe.

I went looking for her but never found her, as the other girls said "she went normal". Haha!

Now, years later, I arrive in Frankfurt and hit Palace as my first spot, then Sharks, then Mainhatten. Palace was good 10+ years ago too.

It's still ok, back then there were lots of tall supermodel looking blonds, natural, sexy, etc but now most are nasty and want $100. I'm still a cheap $50 for everything guy. Haha!

After 10-15 days or so in Frankfurt, I'll travel by train down to Zurich and hit up Globe and a few others. Something about all the kissing at Globe brings me back.

Then I'll come back and either head to Berlin for a week or so or head over to Dusseldorf / Cologne to a couple of cheaper places that I like for the prices and food!

Ex. Samya - $30/ entrance + great food + $30/ girl BBBJ + FS for 30 min.[/QUOTE]So here is my plan for FKK after corona is over. I like the idea of DFK GFE long appointment at Globe. But first I must improve my stamina like Siri says. I will go to Sharks and climb the stairs up and down 10 times, then find a Ro with high heels and bang her out for 60 minutes without any finish. It's good to have a plan LMAO.

[QUOTE=Okinko;2447397]Is it common for men to walk around naked in an FKK? What about erections? I went to a nude beach once and really couldn't keep it down much.[/QUOTE]You will be given a robe or a towel to hide your meatworm.

Casual nudity still happens and nobody will care about your schwanzstücker.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447373]You said you are used to about 6 girls per week? You also claimed you drive to German FKK every weekend.

That would be you are mongering everyday. And you also claimed you are poor. It is hard to believe siri LOL! How? LOL.[/QUOTE]When you live in Paris, you have Russian escorts for after job on week days, I usually behave with the girl to get no rush for nearly 1 hour for 200, when 1 hour rate is 250. Many Parisians leave Paris for week end, I mean before virus, so I go to my FKK land datcha, looking for beauties, unfortunately too rare for me, mostly Romanians which is a quality for me when the girl is attractive. I used to speed after job on Thursday evening to arrive around 9/10 pm when I woke up at 5/6 am, spent sometimes until Monday evening, driving back for work on Monday night, 5 days per week in FKK land, but not for my holidays, and I can't compete with some and one I know who is 6 days per week in FKK land. We sometimes meet at Globe, Amesia, Sharks, Finca. As a cheap French but lover, when German Stella said: I don't sell love, like all those who think like this, she had no cheap French money and could turn around with no business whole afternoon. Same for Reina. Ro at LR staying sitting close to entry and prettier than Stella, but only warming her ass on tool. So I left Palace on this 10 May 2014, moved to World who is the only magic club I know, when Sharks, GT, Globe now, are fuck factory, and at the end of the night, discovered a wow Romanian. We started at 4.20 am, we finished at 5 am, for 50. I asked her: will you work on next Saturday? She looked at me because she knew I lived far, she asked with her round black eyes: why? I'm pretty sure thinking what a liar like all others, so I told her: just tell me, she said: Yes. Club was closing. On next Saturday, when I arrived at 7/8 pm, she ran straight to me. I had weekly appointment with Isabella, but this perfect Romanian woman made me drive 1300 kilometers weekly for her for 1 year, I also drove 1000 kms weekly for a LR girl but for only about 6/7 months. I loved autobahn curves around Ulmen Nurburgring, I loved to go to Nurburgring, I loved to make jump car between Limburg and Giessen. Sometimes I left Paris at 4.30/5 pm, drove to World, had 2 rooms with her, her only business, sometimes I was sad to see her sitting waiting when such wow look, but as I told her at this time: she was too pretty, too chic and classy look for World. After second room when I had micro sleep while she took care of me, so she asked: You don t like? Because you are sleeping when I try to give you pleasure, she just made me feel relax and after I drove back to work at 4 am, making again car jumping, arriving in Paris at 10 am. 1300 kms, a diner, sandwiches at 4 am for who know World, 2 1 hour rooms with a wow Romanian perfect woman, in 17 hours, just a good sporty night racing and loving, more interesting than sleeping. While my huge datcha week ends, I work or write at night, I work to make my cheap earning to pay. Cheap French paid at least 1,5 million € for tax only on my earnings, not on what I buy, and under virus, I was at work on the field, not from my bed with mask and gloves, to save my job and my full earnings, and will even get bonus for my risks nobody else is taking instead of me, to make keeping on my job, paying tax for french economy which is falling, from a cheap french guy but at least with balls. Maybe why I can manage to meet many girls, loving them, making them feel woman, so most return straight when seeing me, managing for no rush, lower rate, with some. Manners pay like money from my subjective experience.

[QUOTE=TrebleMachine;2447475]You will be given a robe or a towel to hide your meatworm. Casual nudity still happens and nobody will care about your schwanzstcker.[/QUOTE]In most clubs you can stay in the sun, fully nude. But after all these years I do not know one club that allows men to go naked in the club. Please enlighten me.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2446772]Hi,

Does anyone have any information on what's up with Jurgen Rudloff & Michael Beretin?

(the guys we see in so many documentaries about Germany's brothels and FKKs).

They were on on "Mega Brothel" aired in Ch4 in 2015 (I'm assuming people here saw this great documentary).

There's a 2019 rumor going around that Beretin and Rudloff are in jail now because they used some German gangs to force girls into the business.

Is it true?

I'd appreciate any information on the subject, thanks.[/QUOTE]Just google their names. You will find this one among others [URL]http://www.fondationscelles.org/en/news/264-condamnation-de-jurgen-rudloff-la-fin-du-paradis[/URL].

Just to be clear, fucking as many girls you possibly can and eating all day for 79 euros does raise my eyebrows. I heard of one guy (Belgian) who did 9 girls on one day, for 79 euros.

Somebody mixed these convicted criminals with Artemis. One should not do that. In Artemis there were a few girls (six actually) that had to pay their earnings to Hell's Angels motorclub members. They got one girl to testify against her former pimp and then they tried to blame Artemis. They mixed this link to HA and sexual exploitation with tax evasion. But Artemis staff had already warned about a spooky situation to the police before the girl started talking. The police did not pay notice to the club management message but later started an action against them. They initially succeeded but when the lawyers produced this info the court had no case against Artemis anymore. Next to that Artemis was accused of tax evasion. About 17 million euro was the money that girls have to pay to Artemis as tax and that Artemis will pay to the tax services. Another six million was company tax that went missing. I don't know how this tax matter is resolved. There is not much in the press about it. But I cannot imagine the managers were exonerated with 23 million gone missing. Another thing is the number of police men. German press states 900 men in total. But 250 of them were not at Artemis in Berlin but actually at property of Artemis management and owners in the western part of the country. They also closed the road in front of Artemis and girls and clients were taken to the police station to make a statement. All of these people involved are included in the number of 900. So I thought only a few hundred of them actually entered Artemis. Most miserable for me was that my favorite girl never returned after the razzia. Being taken to the police station to make a statement simply was too much for her.

There are many articles in the German press about this. I tried to give a quick summary of them here.

[URL]http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berli...temis-23888632[/URL]

[URL]http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berli...nburg-23883004[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447480]When you live in Paris, you have Russian escorts for after job on week days, I usually behave with the girl to get no rush for nearly 1 hour for 200, when 1 hour rate is 250. Many Parisians leave Paris for week end, I mean before virus, so I go to my FKK land datcha, looking for beauties, unfortunately too rare for me, mostly Romanians which is a quality for me when the girl is attractive. I used to speed after job on Thursday evening to arrive around 9/10 pm when I woke up at 5/6 am, spent sometimes until Monday evening, driving back for work on Monday night, 5 days per week in FKK land, but not for my holidays, and I can't compete with some and one I know who is 6 days per week in FKK land. We sometimes meet at Globe, Amesia, Sharks, Finca. As a cheap French but lover, when German Stella said: I don't sell love, like all those who think like this, she had no cheap French money and could turn around with no business whole afternoon. Same for Reina. Ro at LR staying sitting close to entry and prettier than Stella, but only warming her ass on tool. So I left Palace on this 10 May 2014, moved to World who is the only magic club I know, when Sharks, GT, Globe now, are fuck factory, and at the end of the night, discovered a wow Romanian. We started at 4.20 am, we finished at 5 am, for 50. I asked her: will you work on next Saturday? She looked at me because she knew I lived far, she asked with her round black eyes: why? I'm pretty sure thinking what a liar like all others, so I told her: just tell me, she said: Yes. Club was closing..[/QUOTE]Wow that is what you call an addiction to pussy! Who was the Romanian girl at World?

[QUOTE=Okinko;2447397]Is it common for men to walk around naked in an FKK? What about erections? I went to a nude beach once and really couldn't keep it down much.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised some guys seem more interested by some other guys than by girls. Sometimes, some guys are full naked, but most often not the best looks nor the biggest size, often big belly. Sometimes funny under shower but I won't describe, but I prefer shower together, but with your girl, at Globe. What is also funny for me is granny Sylvana / Donatela at GT gets the best looks and some return with banana on face, really incredible.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2447522]In most clubs you can stay in the sun, fully nude. But after all these years I do not know one club that allows men to go naked in the club. Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]It is a Frei-körper-kultur, free body culture environment. I doubt men are forbidden from baring it all if they so wanted to; however, I think most men want to keep their stuff to themselves in the main lounges and I am thankful. Not that I am homophobic, but I go to clubs for the T&A show of the girls.

What I see is that some of the Turkish and other men have been wearing underwear under their robes and I don't get it. These guys look mean and buff, why are they so shy? Who the fuck cares to see their junk anyway? To each his own I guess.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2447522]Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]I said casual, as in irregular, non permanent.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2447543]Just google their names. You will find this one among others [URL]http://www.fondationscelles.org/en/news/264-condamnation-de-jurgen-rudloff-la-fin-du-paradis[/URL].

Just to be clear, fucking as many girls you possibly can and eating all day for 79 euros does raise my eyebrows. I heard of one guy (Belgian) who did 9 girls on one day, for 79 euros.
[/QUOTE]Just to be clear Paradise was never an all inclusive brothel. The rate was 50 EUR per 30 minutes. So if some Belgian guy did 9 girls then it was a minimum of 450 Euros in addition to the 79 Euros.

The article you linked to is misleading in that it states "Essentially supermarkets for sex, the "Paradise" establishments attract around 300 sex buyers each day, each of whom pay an entrance fee of 79 euros. With this fee, they are able to consume food, beverages, sex at their will. " and then adds "To settle their debt to the property owner, prostituted people must have relations with at least 4 sex buyers throughout the day. ". Given their mission statement, fondationscelles probably isn't the best place to get reliable information about the business model employed by this former FKK club.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2447568]Wow that is what you call an addiction to pussy! Who was the Romanian girl at World?[/QUOTE]When I started in FKK land, I didn't know so much Romanian girls, I was more into Russian escorts, but she is the one who changed my tastes for looks. Not my best for love in bed even high level but records are made to be broken, but the most perfect woman for care for herself, I have ever seen in my life. Many times, I was her only business, I was a bit sad for her, but great time for me. 29 yo Romanian with sporty body and elegance. On Saturday 26 April 2015 , back from Orthodox Easter, I didn't believe her, but she made my dream come true, tasting her natural taste, it was just magic.

Given the current crisis, I suspect some mongers are getting messages from WGs requesting money. I believe this video is a cautionary tale. While the main character is not a monger, he is a hopeless romantic. And this Ukrainian girl is coldly draining his bank account. It also shows you that rich guys are not necessarily the best targets. The video pulls viewers in, because you are basically watching a high-speed car crash:

[URL]https://youtu.be/XyEO64M9LBE[/URL]

I had said this before, but the state of financial status of mongers is as much of a question whenever clubs open, as is the financial status of the WGs.

For instance, take the GDP news out of Europe. First quarter was four times as bad as it was in US.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/eurozone-economy-suffers-record-contraction-steeper-than-u-s-11588242162?mod=hp_lead_pos2[/URL]

Annualized basis, US declined 4.8% in 1 Q and Eurozone declined 14.4% per WSJ.

France declined 21% per WSJ. That is the worst since 1949.

And as this WSJ article says and as many other media articles say, second quarter will be much worse than 1 Q.

With job losses being as bad as they are in US, I wonder how Europe can hold up. Politico said a quarter of all European jobs are at risk due to Corona. May be there will not be outright layoffs as in US. Our labor markets are flexible and not so in Europe. Still, salary cuts, less hours, other things are possible.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/19/quarter-of-europes-jobs-at-risk-from-coronavirus-crisis-195465[/URL]

I can't imagine all the mongers will be in such a great shape when the clubs resume. May be the hardcore monger, not necessarily richer but definitely more dedicated will spend whatever savings he has on mongering especially as he is all backed up due to this shutdown. But the casual monger, who is the majority of the attendees, will have less to spend.

On the plus side, Romanian economy is equally trashed.

[URL]https://business-review.eu/money/finance/br-analysis-coronavirus-to-take-high-toll-on-romanian-economy-209743[/URL]

The business review article says Romanian economy is at least as bad as French economy. I. e down 20%. Unemployment is rampant. Also, in favor of the US monger is that Dollar Leu exchange has significantly improved in favor of dollar.

All this means whenever clubs open, if you US monger have been able to stay in good financial shape in this period, kept your job, your income level and also stock market positions, then you are in drivers seat when this opens up.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2447605]It is a Frei-krper-kultur, free body culture environment. I doubt men are forbidden from baring it all if they so wanted to; however, I think most men want to keep their stuff to themselves in the main lounges and I am thankful. Not that I am homophobic, but I go to clubs for the T&A show of the girls.

What I see is that some of the Turkish and other men have been wearing underwear under their robes and I don't get it. These guys look mean and buff, why are they so shy? Who the fuck cares to see their junk anyway? To each his own I guess.[/QUOTE]Before 2010 I recall many men used to go nude in Oase especially around the swimming pool. There was this one German guy who used to enjoy shagging the girls in the open in full view of everyone. He actually sometimes had some blokes standing around his girl and himself spectating. No one complained. Everyone knows that if you went to the kino in Oase back then you saw not only porn on the screeen but were guaranteed to see live porn performed by many couples. Male nudity was common but not so much now.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2447667]Male nudity was common but not so much now.[/QUOTE]And considering some of the naked male sights I've seen, I'm quite glad about that!

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2447543]Just google their names. You will find this one among others [URL]http://www.fondationscelles.org/en/news/264-condamnation-de-jurgen-rudloff-la-fin-du-paradis[/URL].

Just to be clear, fucking as many girls you possibly can and eating all day for 79 euros does raise my eyebrows. I heard of one guy (Belgian) who did 9 girls on one day, for 79 euros.

Somebody mixed these convicted criminals with Artemis. One should not do that. In Artemis there were a few girls (six actually) that had to pay their earnings to Hell's Angels motorclub members. They got one girl to testify against her former pimp and then they tried to blame Artemis. They mixed this link to HA and sexual exploitation with tax evasion. But Artemis staff had already warned about a spooky situation to the police before the girl started talking. The police did not pay notice to the club management message but later started an action against them. They initially succeeded but when the lawyers produced this info the court had no case against Artemis anymore. Next to that Artemis was accused of tax evasion. About 17 million euro was the money that girls have to pay to Artemis as tax and that Artemis will pay to the tax services. Another six million was company tax that went missing.[/QUOTE]I was not at Artemis during this raid, but I was at Artemis during the time when the fire alarm went off, police came and ordered everyone in club to be evacuated from the building and man, it was surreal scene, just bunch of guys with bathrobes and girls with towels standing in parking plot of Artemis in cold winter LOL. It was false alarm, but it took like 30 min or bit longer till we were allowed back into Artemis, then it was business as usual after. I must say how police was treating this fire alarm matter was rather aggressive toward Artemis staffs, I saw few occasions police shouting at management and also one client was arguing rather aggressively with police.

I always thought such business like brothels are closely run with retired high ranking police officer or someone related to politician or high ranking bureaucrat on board of director or on advisory board, but it seemed as though Artemis was targeted due to some political motive. Police just used these girls testimony as tool to get Artemis, which in the end, they failed.

23 million euro wow, it is quite large some and it is cash business, so I guess he had it cash, so I feel Artemis would be just fine to survive through this pandemic time shut down without any problem of owner change.

I like Kennan and how he run Artemis, so I hope Artemis stays as same owner ship. And my last visit to Artemis in 2019 summer, I was quite happy with line up finally, so I wish Artemis will come back strong after this pandemic.

I still rate Artemis as best line up of all FKK between year 2009 till 2013ish, it was the best diverse line up with enough stunners, I will always miss the line up of those days, it was easier to find stunner one after another. Well, I still find them, so I am grateful for that.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447642]When I started in FKK land, I didn't know so much Romanian girls, I was more into Russian escorts, but she is the one who changed my tastes for looks. Not my best for love in bed even high level but records are made to be broken, but the most perfect woman for care for herself, I have ever seen in my life. Many times, I was her only business, I was a bit sad for her, but great time for me. 29 yo Romanian with sporty body and elegance. On Saturday 26 April 2015 , back from Orthodox Easter, I didn't believe her, but she made my dream come true, tasting her natural taste, it was just magic.[/QUOTE]Well if Stella at Palace did not even DFK you, you don't have too much other choices, but go for Romanians and they dominates most of line up anyways LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2447605]It is a Frei-krper-kultur, free body culture environment. I doubt men are forbidden from baring it all if they so wanted to; however, I think most men want to keep their stuff to themselves in the main lounges and I am thankful. Not that I am homophobic, but I go to clubs for the T&A show of the girls.

What I see is that some of the Turkish and other men have been wearing underwear under their robes and I don't get it. These guys look mean and buff, why are they so shy? Who the fuck cares to see their junk anyway? To each his own I guess.[/QUOTE]What amaze me is when taking shower with underwear, even socks and I even saw with casquette and sunglasses, so they don t wash anything. I don t know what girls can find under. When I like to wash my dick for long time, putting off skin, I remember Megan looking at me, for sure she never saw like this before. I like to stay long time under shower when very hot, sometimes nearly 30 mn, this relax my mind, kill pain in some bones and funny to see some others. Remind me when we took shower when we played football when 15 yo, small size were turned to the wall and moving with hands hiding, normal size were proud to show. Normal size mean to be told You are big in brothels.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447642]When I started in FKK land, I didn't know so much Romanian girls, I was more into Russian escorts, but she is the one who changed my tastes for looks. Not my best for love in bed even high level but records are made to be broken, but the most perfect woman for care for herself, I have ever seen in my life. Many times, I was her only business, I was a bit sad for her, but great time for me. 29 yo Romanian with sporty body and elegance. On Saturday 26 April 2015 , back from Orthodox Easter, I didn't believe her, but she made my dream come true, tasting her natural taste, it was just magic.[/QUOTE]When I started, I looked for blond, but not fake blond prostitute looks, really not easy to find. She was long black hair, dark eyes, but I fall in love for her look, her care for herself, for her hair, her skin and body, her teeth, her nails, she was obsessed about her look. I think the only FKK girl I learned from, from her level for woman care, she became my standard for woman care and hygiene. When at GT, girls don t have shower to wash, most of GT girls don t take shower from their arrival until they finish, this Romanian woman took shower between all her rooms, washed her mouth, she needed at least 15 mn between rooms and she didn't need to put off and on underwear because she was full full naked at World, only red evening high heels, not prostitutes plastic high heels, sometimes nearly 30 mn, when she told me: now I can t work after you. She washed her mouth after eating. I remember on 2014 World Christmas party, World had best party at this time, when 2 hours waiting for key at GT, she bought new red heels and she was furious because made red marks on her feet, so she needed to wash marks before I could touch her, but had 4 rooms with her on this great week end, only with her. Everybody knew at World, same than at LR on 2017.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2447543]Just google their names. You will find this one among others [URL]http://www.fondationscelles.org/en/news/264-condamnation-de-jurgen-rudloff-la-fin-du-paradis[/URL].

Just to be clear, fucking as many girls you possibly can and eating all day for 79 euros does raise my eyebrows. I heard of one guy (Belgian) who did 9 girls on one day, for 79 euros.

Somebody mixed these convicted criminals with Artemis. One should not do that. In Artemis there were a few girls (six actually) that had to pay their earnings to Hell's Angels motorclub members. They got one girl to testify against her former pimp and then they tried to blame Artemis. They mixed this link to HA and sexual exploitation with tax evasion. But Artemis staff had already warned about a spooky situation to the police before the girl started talking. The police did not pay notice to the club management message but later started an action against them. They initially succeeded but when the lawyers produced this info the court had no case against Artemis anymore. Next to that Artemis was accused of tax evasion. About 17 million euro was the money that girls have to pay to Artemis as tax and that Artemis will pay to the tax services. Another six million was company tax that went missing.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know how to google search, don't worry about that.

The issue with the link you provided me is that it comes from a feminist blog (as do all information about beretin and rudloff, it seems) : I don't know if this is accurate information or not.

Mentally deranged Feminists are crazy in particular when it comes to this kind of stuff, the articles claims Rudloff is in jail for 5 years, I don't buy that information at all.

I was asking on this forum because I assumed certain mongers would be friend with Rudloff and Beretin in here, and would posses information that wasn't available to the public eye. I am looking for information, nothing else.

I'm not even sure Beretin and Rudloff are their real names, but from my research suggests Rudloff and Beretin are the CEO & marketing manager of the paradise chain: Paradise Stuttgart and Paradise in Saarbrucken.

I know Beretin has an email address where he receives pictures of naked girls who want to work at FKK Paradise, and I am looking for that address to contact him, with no success.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link to a streaming version of "The Mega Brothel" (2015) , but if you watch the documentary, you'll see these two prominent figures of the FKK and brothel business in Germany. I am looking to get in touch with them. (if you type in youtube "Germany brothel" you may see them as well).

Here is a picture of a girl that appears in the documentary, so you can find the documentary on google:

[URL]https://i.imgur.com/4DTTsbQ.png[/URL]

Here is a picture of Rudloff's daughter.

[URL]https://i.imgur.com/hWjgVrF.png[/URL]

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me.

Here is a link to the Mega Brothel Documentary for those interested:

[URL]https://www35.zippyshare.com/v/AUDRNoSO/file.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447681]Well if Stella at Palace did not even DFK you, you don't have too much other choices, but go for Romanians and they dominates most of line up anyways LOL![/QUOTE]It was on Saturday 10 May 2014, my first visit at Palace. Around 3 pm, Stella came to me full smiling, friendly. When I knew she is German, I asked her if she kiss in room, as a low level, she answered: I don't sell love, only for sex. So I told her: not for me. She could leave but stayed and said: but I don't know you, your hygiene. I answered: I brush my teeth once a year. She looked at me with big eyes, saying: beurk. She was really not busy on this Saturday afternoon. I moved to World where I discovered a wow Romanian, much prettier than MILF look Stella. Really no regret. I never met any German, except my German escort, but neither legendary Sandra at Sharks, nor Joana at Globe, nor Rachel at GT, could compete with this Romanian woman type, on my second ranking with Kate at Globe. Elegance and charm. About 50 hours with her. Romanians are more for my tastes and my way for sex, even often small pussies, but I can manage and be careful with them.

Because even though I'm far from a Republican, I find her pretty damn hot.

https://coed.com/2020/04/07/kayleigh-mcenany-hot-photos-sexy-pictures-white-house-press-secretary/

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2447868]Because even though I'm far from a Republican, I find her pretty damn hot.

https://coed.com/2020/04/07/kayleigh-mcenany-hot-photos-sexy-pictures-white-house-press-secretary/[/QUOTE]You and me both! Not liking her politics makes me want to get that conservative cornhole of hers all the more LOL! Hope Hick too!

This lady is hotter:[URL]https://coed.com/2019/06/19/hope-hicks-hot-photos-sexy-pictures/[/URL].

Especially the heels.

I shagged many girls in broad daylight at Oase by the pool, Kino and so on. Nudity is natural. So is having my schwanz in a girl's mouth. The Berlin clubs are even better, full on gang-bangs and orgies. Make FKK's look tame. One git German girl made it a point to be "airtight": every hole full and giving HJ simultaneously. We only live once. Live free, live to thrive!

Mainhatten and Welcum also have open anywhere shagging! And in Bangkok, BJ's at the bar, and shagged a girl openly at a major Nana bar, all the girls on stage giggling :-)

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2447868]Because even though I'm far from a Republican, I find her pretty damn hot.

https://coed.com/2020/04/07/kayleigh-mcenany-hot-photos-sexy-pictures-white-house-press-secretary/[/QUOTE]I had Melania Trump look a like in Oceans in 2016. She was from Slovakia, up sold herself, but we settled with 150 euro per hour including dirty GFE experience, she delivered as promised. I think she is gone from Oceans now though, last I have been to oceans was in 2017 and I already did not see her then.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2447773]Here is a link to the Mega Brothel Documentary for those interested:

[URL]https://www35.zippyshare.com/v/AUDRNoSO/file.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Talk about mega brothel, there was a plan to open mega brothel near I think it was potsdam or it could have been spandau, I think potsdam in Berlin, and it went into construction, but then the construction stopped then plan just vanished.

I wondered what exactly happened. Fall out with politician or bureaucrat who originally agreed or just not enough resources to continued the construction.

It was too bad because if Artemis had competition in Berlin, I could expect more stronger line up as it once used to be.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447861]It was on Saturday 10 May 2014, my first visit at Palace. Around 3 pm, Stella came to me full smiling, friendly. When I knew she is German, I asked her if she kiss in room, as a low level, she answered: I don't sell love, only for sex. So I told her: not for me. She could leave but stayed and said: but I don't know you, your hygiene. I answered: I brush my teeth once a year. She looked at me with big eyes, saying: beurk. She was really not busy on this Saturday afternoon. I moved to World where I discovered a wow Romanian, much prettier than MILF look Stella. Really no regret. I never met any German, except my German escort, but neither legendary Sandra at Sharks, nor Joana at Globe, nor Rachel at GT, could compete with this Romanian woman type, on my second ranking with Kate at Globe. Elegance and charm. About 50 hours with her. Romanians are more for my tastes and my way for sex, even often small pussies, but I can manage and be careful with them.[/QUOTE]Well usually with German table, the one in front of smoking room before renovation, they gives bad service if you only go with standard rate. My rate was 150 euro with them always and I repeated almost only with them and their friends who were all stunners and somehow I never remember their friend being never any Romanians actually.

Stella was beauty when she joined FKK industry for first two years, but toward the end she did gain weight a bit, but beautiful face and all natural till the end beside tattoo on one of the arm if I still remember right. My type is more kylie body who also quit, so I don't mind talking about it, but she also was most beautiful when she began for first two years, but I always loved her fit body, I preferred her tits before surgery, but surgery was done well and perfect size, I just like natural beauty more.

I went with more romanians in nrw and in artemis and I only remember going with two romanian girl in palace, and one of them was one of very few moment I went to room upon girls approaching me, which I usually refuse and I never liked palace romanian, but this girl was a beauty and I only went for 50 euro, but session was very good including DFK, but I did not get rimjob on me for that session LOL! I never got free rimjob in palace actually, I always had to pay, which I don't mind, but I got it for free in other up sell club artemis for free few times, free rimming is barometer to see if the club service is more flexibly better LOL!

I will miss my beloved German table at palace, but I am sure more german beauties to continue to come in future. I never get bored fucking new german beauties.

As for Romanians, I hope they continue to dominate FKK line up, even though they are not my favorite beauty, I do appreciate their direction of beauties, but as I always said, I hope EU will grant better visa condition to Ukraine, so Ukrainian girls can come to german FKK to work more easily, it will be better looking more dirty line up additions.

Polish is mostly gone, czech is gone, mostly russians are gone from FKK etc. New dominated race in line up will be nice and refresh as I do get tired of fucking romanian beauty one after another even though I do appreciate them.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2447868]Because even though I'm far from a Republican, I find her pretty damn hot.

https://coed.com/2020/04/07/kayleigh-mcenany-hot-photos-sexy-pictures-white-house-press-secretary/[/QUOTE]Most of blonde German stunners from Hamburg (they claim) I had were like her or even better and younger before the surgeries and tattoos.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2447763]Yeah, I know how to google search, don't worry about that.

The issue with the link you provided me is that it comes from a feminist blog (as do all information about beretin and rudloff, it seems) : I don't know if this is accurate information or not.

Mentally deranged Feminists are crazy in particular when it comes to this kind of stuff, the articles claims Rudloff is in jail for 5 years, I don't buy that information at all.

I was asking on this forum because I assumed certain mongers would be friend with Rudloff and Beretin in here, and would posses information that wasn't available to the public eye. I am looking for information, nothing else.

I'm not even sure Beretin and Rudloff are their real names, but from my research suggests Rudloff and Beretin are the CEO & marketing manager of the paradise chain: Paradise Stuttgart and Paradise in Saarbrucken.

I know Beretin has an email address where he receives pictures of naked girls who want to work at FKK Paradise, and I am looking for that address to contact him, with no success.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link to a streaming version of "The Mega Brothel" (2015) , but if you watch the documentary, you'll see these two prominent figures of the FKK and brothel business in Germany. I am looking to get in touch with them. (if you type in youtube "Germany brothel" you may see them as well)..[/QUOTE]Why did these guys went to jail for? Relation to bikers or tax evasion or?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447907]Well usually with German table, the one in front of smoking room before renovation, they gives bad service if you only go with standard rate. My rate was 150 euro with them always and I repeated almost only with them and their friends who were all stunners and somehow I never remember their friend being never any Romanians actually.

Stella was beauty when she joined FKK industry for first two years, but toward the end she did gain weight a bit, but beautiful face and all natural till the end beside tattoo on one of the arm if I still remember right. My type is more kylie body who also quit, so I don't mind talking about it, but she also was most beautiful when she began for first two years, but I always loved her fit body, I preferred her tits before surgery, but surgery was done well and perfect size, I just like natural beauty more.

I went with more romanians in nrw and in artemis and I only remember going with two romanian girl in palace, and one of them was one of very few moment I went to room upon girls approaching me, which I usually refuse and I never liked palace romanian, but this girl was a beauty and I only went for 50 euro, but session was very good including DFK, but I did not get rimjob on me for that session LOL! I never got free rimjob in palace actually, I always had to pay, which I don't mind, but I got it for free in other up sell club artemis for free few times, free rimming is barometer to see if the club service is more flexibly better LOL!.[/QUOTE]Yes, big tattoo on arm for Stella and typical German behavior with total lack of elegance and charm, when my Romanian was elegant, classy look which gave her charm, closer to a normal life woman, when Stella was typical prostitute behavior, even she came in friendly way. For a lover in bed like me, Romanians are usually higher level for me, even Sandra at Sharks was GFE passionate but not wow look for me, Rachel GT was sweet GFE, Tabea at Sharks for my last room was also GFE passionate. Romanians are funny when telling: this is too much love with you, after you I can t work now. So I think: she won t want to repeat. But they return to repeat. Had one sometimes for 3 rooms in the night. When I saw too many girls who had elegance and charm when starting, becoming real prostitutes ready for anything for money. I remember my LR best FKK girl telling me about Daria, when Daria was the only one she worried about, because she felt I could return to Daria, I m not like her, meaning I'm much more class and chic, and Daria who read me, telling me: I know I'm not chic and pretty enough for you, but please, don t judge me. When I saw what claimed chic became, going with who she claimed she would never go, when I was so happy when Daria came to me so proudly, telling: I bought my flat, don t You think I m smart? So happy for her, for sure more smart than buying a car to a pimp with first month earning and needing to come back after 10 days, telling: I'm angry I need to come back so fast because I need money. To give to pimp. I m bored of prostitutes behavior and images, maybe why I don t miss. When Globe turned from chic to quite vulgar, I prefer now more cosy for elegance Amesia. Freubad is also not so bad. Of course I miss to play football at Oase which was my best club on 2019, with 2 real wow and about 7 other beauties, but problem is new beauties don t stay because Oase upselling oldies killed business, most often quite empty.

When clubs will reopen, I don't know when, but I'm sure Romanians who can t make business at poor home and Germans who are not able to do anything else, will return for our fast money. Where could they make so fast money with no big risk? And most of WGs are like animals, they stay in same place, their second home. I was so sure Emily and Ana would return to Velbert, I was just surprised about what I heard about Emily at Gold, really not on Gold level, when she was good for me on our discovery on end of 2016 at Velbert in big room 6. About German tattooed Kyli, not pretty enough for me, German is not enough and don t mean beauty for me. But I enjoyed with some Germans, initiated Lucifer, at Palace. I like Palace, one of the highest level club for me, but bad point is no outdoor. Club for Winter for me. Entry is only 50 before 5 pm, with higher than average FKK level for foods.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2447763]Yeah, I know how to google search, don't worry about that.[/QUOTE]There is something funny with these searches. Just put in a hyphen and the results change a lot.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2447763]The issue with the link you provided me is that it comes from a feminist blog (as do all information about beretin and rudloff, it seems) : I don't know if this is accurate information or not.[/QUOTE]Well, the info I found there is not correct indeed. They mixed an all-inclusive-brothel with the FKK's where you pay the girl separately. I followed that without checking. Sorry for that. To make up for that I did some searches, still on the web. I do not know whether you can speak or write German but you can easily use Google translate these days. One tip: add 'Blaulicht' to your searches. For example 'Blaulicht Jurgen Rudloff'. That did not generate many responses from Blaulicht but it sure takes google to the sites that have a link to the police info. Anyway, the first site I found was this one.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/22/trouble-in-paradise-rise-and-fall-of-germany-brothel-king-jurgen-rudloff[/URL]

This one has some extra info in German [URL]https://www.swp.de/panorama/ex-bordell-chef-zu-fuenf-jahren-haft-verurteilt-30149404.html[/URL].

This one [URL]https://www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/inhalt.villingen-schwenningen-kommt-boki-erneut-mit-allem-davon.edec7201-20ce-46f2-90d3-a4615bf63e09.html[/URL].

Contains this text 'in deren Zuge auch das Imperium des inzwischen verurteilten, inhaftierten und bekannten Bordellbetreibers Jrgen Rudloff'.

This one [URL]https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.ex-marketingchef-des-paradise-clubs-steht-wieder-vor-gericht-ein-crashkurs-in-sachen-rotlicht.ece9ae53-7cbe-4299-93b5-31de16ec109e.html?reduced=true[/URL].

Contains the text 'Michael Beretin hat seine Haftstrafe inzwischen angetreten'.

This answers most if not all of your initial questions.

[QUOTE=TheNextOne;2447763]I know Beretin has an email address where he receives pictures of naked girls who want to work at FKK Paradise, and I am looking for that address to contact him, with no success.[/QUOTE]He is in jail right now. So, it might be a bit difficult to reach him without putting you on the police radar. I simply searched for 'Michael Beretin email' and found this site [URL]https://www.rocker-blog.to/tag/michael-beretin-wikipedia/.[/URL] You may try to contact Hell's Angels. A link is supplied! They likely have his contact info.

But I am a bit flabbergasted at your recent question about the email. Starting a business? If you have no history in crime I urge you to take care.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447907] I hope EU will grant better visa condition to Ukraine, so Ukrainian[/QUOTE]Just fly into Kiev. I can recommend the Premiere hotel chain for mid to higher level accommodations that are still female guest friendly. There are bars where almost every lady is working for 100 per hour. Even the guys on the corner outside clubs can take you to nice girls. Tinder is full of business ladies. Perhaps check out the threads on Kiev.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447680]I was not at Artemis during this raid, but I was at Artemis during the time when the fire alarm went off[/QUOTE]Your story sounds very much like a normal fire drill but in an awkward place.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447680]I always thought such business like brothels are closely run with retired high ranking police officer or someone related to politician or high ranking bureaucrat on board of director or on advisory board, but it seemed as though Artemis was targeted due to some political motive. Police just used these girls testimony as tool to get Artemis, which in the end, they failed.[/QUOTE]Partly true. A German guy told me that the Turkish managers are very much this: managers. Who is the owner? A mystery to me. The initial motive for the raid was a link to the HA. What I did not mention yet is that the 'district' (Bezirksamt) of Berlin that Artemis resides in is 'Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf'. By that time the Council of this district was controlled by the SPD and they wanted to end prostitution. A bit strange as this party has made prostitution in Germany legal. What political motive they had is not very clear, but politics were certainly part of the motive to raid Artemis. Now it is difficult to provide links with this info as most of it is in Archives of the papers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2447680]I still rate Artemis as best line up of all FKK between year 2009 till 2013ish, it was the best diverse line up with enough stunners, I will always miss the line up of those days, it was easier to find stunner one after another. Well, I still find them, so I am grateful for that.[/QUOTE]Yes, things have been great. And were improving a lot, lately.

I know only one FKK in Berlin.

What are the other clubs?

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2447892]I shagged many girls in broad daylight at Oase by the pool, Kino and so on. Nudity is natural. So is having my schwanz in a girl's mouth. The Berlin clubs are even better, full on gang-bangs and orgies. Make FKK's look tame. One git German girl made it a point to be "airtight": every hole full and giving HJ simultaneously. We only live once. Live free, live to thrive!

Mainhatten and Welcum also have open anywhere shagging! And in Bangkok, BJ's at the bar, and shagged a girl openly at a major Nana bar, all the girls on stage giggling :-)[/QUOTE]

Apparently some Indies in d'dorf are ready to meet. Incall & outcall. Visited one sexy Asian. She quoted 200 eur for an HR. 120 for half.

I thought it will get cheaper. Walked out the the place and sanitized my hands. Closest I came to sex in almost 8 weeks.

I'm assuming they do, not that its a huge worry as I've been an extra in cuckold porn and fetish porn where I got pegged. I'm 100% straight, but really open minded to activities with women.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2447873]You and me both! Not liking her politics makes me want to get that conservative cornhole of hers all the more LOL! Hope Hick too![/QUOTE]I think there are a lot more Hope Hicks lookalikes in FKKs than Kayleigh McEnanys. Hard to find the latter. I wouldn't kick Hope Hicks out of bed, but I certainly do have a preference!

Kamsutra69:

Clubs: Insomnia & Swingeroase Zwiespalt in Tempelhof, Anni Porsche in Gneisenaustrae and many others. It is about EUR90 to get in and free after that, ideal for exhibitionists and those that are happy to bone a girl while she attends to other men.

Berlin has many old school brothels that are beautifully decorated, cocktails, good coffee, plenty of time to greet hot women, not at all sleazy. At least one was happy for me to lounge around, and read and even play chess with the girls whilst recovering. I liken them to old Vienna coffee shops where they were social centers. Far more intimate, quiet, smoke free and passionate IMHO. One place had an open fireplace to shag next to. Many of the girls are educated and clever, and we all know the brain can be just as erotic as the lower bits as a girl talks, is a person, giggles and is impossibly sexy to boot, especially knowing it is a sure thing ! Quite a few times when they were not busy, two girls would be for the price of one, or just a bit more.

Many of the brothel girls are German -and hate the Romanians in FKKs and/or paying up front and having sunk costs, and then waiting around to recoup the entry fee. They complain that the FKK's are like Home Depot box stores (in Germany Hornsbach, Obi, Praktiker and Hellweg), but have an entry charge.

Check out berlinintim dot de for full list and pretty good set of contacts for other entertainment besides FKK.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2448032]Just fly into Kiev. I can recommend the Premiere hotel chain for mid to higher level accommodations that are still female guest friendly. There are bars where almost every lady is working for 100 per hour. Even the guys on the corner outside clubs can take you to nice girls. Tinder is full of business ladies. Perhaps check out the threads on Kiev.[/QUOTE]The girls on Kiev escort sites are pretty fucking hot.

How was the overall experience in Kiev? Did you feel safe? What are the trade offs between flying into Kiev / Moscow and flying to DE for FKKs as a sex tourist?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2448108]I think there are a lot more Hope Hicks lookalikes in FKKs than Kayleigh McEnanys. Hard to find the latter. I wouldn't kick Hope Hicks out of bed, but I certainly do have a preference![/QUOTE]Did you know that Kayleigh had a preventive-measure double mastectomy? I wonder what her chest looks like physically (other than simply being flat)? I've never been a huge tit kind of guy, so I don't mind smaller boobs. But if her chest is scarred from that procedure, then I'm sure that when the clothes came off, the attraction would fade LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2448109]Kamsutra69:

Clubs: Insomnia & Swingeroase Zwiespalt in Tempelhof, Anni Porsche in Gneisenaustrae and many others. It is about EUR90 to get in and free after that, ideal for exhibitionists and those that are happy to bone a girl while she attends to other men.

Berlin has many old school brothels that are beautifully decorated, cocktails, good coffee, plenty of time to greet hot women, not at all sleazy. At least one was happy for me to lounge around, and read and even play chess with the girls whilst recovering. I liken them to old Vienna coffee shops where they were social centers. Far more intimate, quiet, smoke free and passionate IMHO. One place had an open fireplace to shag next to. Many of the girls are educated and clever, and we all know the brain can be just as erotic as the lower bits as a girl talks, is a person, giggles and is impossibly sexy to boot, especially knowing it is a sure thing ! Quite a few times when they were not busy, two girls would be for the price of one, or just a bit more.

Many of the brothel girls are German -and hate the Romanians in FKKs and/or paying up front and having sunk costs, and then waiting around to recoup the entry fee. They complain that the FKK's are like Home Depot box stores (in Germany Hornsbach, Obi, Praktiker and Hellweg), but have an entry charge.

Check out berlinintim dot de for full list and pretty good set of contacts for other entertainment besides FKK.[/QUOTE]Hey,

That's interesting. I was aware that there were these type of clubs in Berlin (I've heard of Insomnia but never been) and of the old school brothels but don't know specific names. Would be great if you could give some names and details of these old school brothels.

That would be extra options in addition to Artemis!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2448121]Did you know that Kayleigh had a preventive-measure double mastectomy? I wonder what her chest looks like physically (other than simply being flat)? I've never been a huge tit kind of guy, so I don't mind smaller boobs. But if her chest is scarred from that procedure, then I'm sure that when the clothes came off, the attraction would fade LOL![/QUOTE]Ha, you're going to force me to defend a Republican! I'm not a big boob kind of guy either but think I'll still be all over that, scars or not. There's doggy style too! And odds are, it wouldn't be an issue, since girls have things put in their chests surgically with minimal cosmetic damage, having them taken out probably wouldn't be an issue either.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2448121]Did you know that Kayleigh had a preventive-measure double mastectomy?[/QUOTE]She was just doing her bit to flatten the curve.

[URL]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWsimW9U0AMUcXI.png[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2448121]Did you know that Kayleigh had a preventive-measure double mastectomy? I wonder what her chest looks like physically (other than simply being flat)? I've never been a huge tit kind of guy, so I don't mind smaller boobs. But if her chest is scarred from that procedure, then I'm sure that when the clothes came off, the attraction would fade LOL![/QUOTE]Tbh, never found Kayleigh to be hot and shag worthy. If she gives away a free one and if I am backed up, yeah may be. But that's about it. Knowing now that she lost her tits, I will have to pass though.

The one I did like was Erin Burnett who is now on CNN but years ago when she was young and on CNBC, was hot in my eyes. Same with Kelly Evans on CNBC. About 5 years ago she was with Wall St Journal and was hot in those days. Now both are getting older and losing it.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2448032]Just fly into Kiev. I can recommend the Premiere hotel chain for mid to higher level accommodations that are still female guest friendly. There are bars where almost every lady is working for 100 per hour. Even the guys on the corner outside clubs can take you to nice girls. Tinder is full of business ladies. Perhaps check out the threads on Kiev.[/QUOTE]LOL You cracked me up, I have been to Kiev and I did stay at premier palace LOL. I love the swimming pool with glass ceiling and also I went to monger in this famous boat, but I did not like quality of girls and me and my friend ended up at cabaret bar in premier palace on top floor and found a very good prostitute there which I fucked in room later LOL. I also had contact in Kiev and he organized my banya session, which is sauna, when Russian guy say let go to banya most of time, it is to monger LOL!

Girls at Banya my friend organized was stunners of stunners, but I must say I prefer german FKK, I somehow like it best at German FKK. I like solo travelling for mongering and in eastern europe, I need help of my friends to organize girls or go to places and I must say girls are only stunner of stunner like 9 above when my friends organize it for me and I cannot ask every day, so I prefer solo mongering trip, I feel so free when I am on German FKK trip or Zurich one.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2447984]Yes, big tattoo on arm for Stella and typical German behavior with total lack of elegance and charm, when my Romanian was elegant, classy look which gave her charm, closer to a normal life woman, when Stella was typical prostitute behavior, even she came in friendly way. For a lover in bed like me, Romanians are usually higher level for me, even Sandra at Sharks was GFE passionate but not wow look for me, Rachel GT was sweet GFE, Tabea at Sharks for my last room was also GFE passionate. Romanians are funny when telling: this is too much love with you, after you I can t work now. So I think: she won t want to repeat. But they return to repeat. Had one sometimes for 3 rooms in the night. When I saw too many girls who had elegance and charm when starting, becoming real prostitutes ready for anything for money. I remember my LR best FKK girl telling me about Daria, when Daria was the only one she worried about, because she felt I could return to Daria, I m not like her, meaning I'm much more class and chic, and Daria who read me, telling me: I know I'm not chic and pretty enough for you, but please, don t judge me. When I saw what claimed chic became, going with who she claimed she would never go, when I was so happy when Daria came to me so proudly, telling: I bought my flat, don t You think I m smart? So happy for her, for sure more smart than buying a car to a pimp with first month earning and needing to come back after 10 days, telling: I'm angry I need to come back so fast because I need money. To give to pimp. I m bored of prostitutes behavior and images, maybe why I don t miss. When Globe turned from chic to quite vulgar, I prefer now more cosy for elegance Amesia. Freubad is also not so bad. Of course I miss to play football at Oase which was my best club on 2019, with 2 real wow and about 7 other beauties, but problem is new beauties don t stay because Oase upselling oldies killed business, most often quite empty.[/QUOTE]German table could be nice, and best service, but with them, you must break the ice, they have to like you as a client, and they always try to upsell, they first say 200 euro per hour and I knew lulu from Artemis and I only been with her once before her too big tits job, but she kind of did the relation management for me and she took down the price to 150 euro per hour, which for me is reasonable price as long as I get GFE service all included for one hour for 150 euro.

If you just go to german table straight, they just going to try to rip you off or give bad service. I always pay bit more to germans in german FKK, but they deliver most dirty sex for me with for me fair price of 150 euro per hour, not in globe zurich, I just pay 140 there, no upsell as you know.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2448034]Your story sounds very much like a normal fire drill but in an awkward place.

Partly true. A German guy told me that the Turkish managers are very much this: managers. Who is the owner? A mystery to me. The initial motive for the raid was a link to the HA. What I did not mention yet is that the 'district' (Bezirksamt) of Berlin that Artemis resides in is 'Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf'. By that time the Council of this district was controlled by the SPD and they wanted to end prostitution. A bit strange as this party has made prostitution in Germany legal. What political motive they had is not very clear, but politics were certainly part of the motive to raid Artemis. Now it is difficult to provide links with this info as most of it is in Archives of the papers.

Yes, things have been great. And were improving a lot, lately.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was down then when I went back last summer, it is back up again and I was happy. I loved my sessions with all the girls especially German leyla, but I think she is half German half something. But all natural and beauty.

Turkish owner is Turkish owners, it is two brothers, kenna is always at the club, white Bentley continental coupe parked in front is his car. Nice guy. Tough, but very polite.

I don't know what's up with Artemis and feud with police and authority, but we must not forget, it is Berlin, the capital of Germany. So maybe it got to do with it too.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2448153]She was just doing her bit to flatten the curve.

[URL]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWsimW9U0AMUcXI.png[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, good one.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2448155]Tbh, never found Kayleigh to be hot and shag worthy. If she gives away a free one and if I am backed up, yeah may be. But that's about it. Knowing now that she lost her tits, I will have to pass though.

The one I did like was Erin Burnett who is now on CNN but years ago when she was young and on CNBC, was hot in my eyes. Same with Kelly Evans on CNBC. About 5 years ago she was with Wall St Journal and was hot in those days. Now both are getting older and losing it.[/QUOTE]Different strokes for different folks. Hope Hicks, Burnett, Evans. Why'all mentioning brunettes. Bring on the skinny blondes for me!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2448166]German table could be nice, and best service, but with them, you must break the ice, they have to like you as a client, and they always try to upsell, they first say 200 euro per hour and I knew lulu from Artemis and I only been with her once before her too big tits job, but she kind of did the relation management for me and she took down the price to 150 euro per hour, which for me is reasonable price as long as I get GFE service all included for one hour for 150 euro.

If you just go to german table straight, they just going to try to rip you off or give bad service. I always pay bit more to germans in german FKK, but they deliver most dirty sex for me with for me fair price of 150 euro per hour, not in globe zurich, I just pay 140 there, no upsell as you know.[/QUOTE]140 CHF or 130€ is for only 30 mn at Globe. As a cheap French, but I m not a rabbit, so, when I enjoy, 1 hour is even short for me. Had many 1 h30 for 390, 2 hours for 520, or even 2h30 but desk mistook to 550 €, instead of 650 €, very expensive at Globe, such rate only worth if wow beauty and for love in bed, for me. In some other Swiss clubs, rates are more flexible and less expensive for now same level and even most interesting for behavior girls.

About Stella Palace, when she told: I don t sell love, she didn't interest me anymore, same for Reina at LR, when I am attracted by love games. She could leave but she stayed because she had no business. What I prefer is not to ask anything to the girl, just to speak about her, to look how she looks at me and what a pleasure to discover surprise in bed, when grocery market just kill my desire. Also what great enjoyment to make improving girls following my games. I could have tried Stella, but she was not interesting for me, and I never returned to try again, when I went weekly for 1 year for my Romanian who was so far higher level for me.

Who asked me, on another thread, to compare FKKs and Japanese soaplands.

The short answer: Can't be compared. I love them both, like tennis and golf, but they are different.

Since everyone here knows FKKs, I will just say how different soaplands are.

You choose your girl on a line up, or on a photo, on the premises. Like in a traditional old fashion brothel.

You choose the duration of your session, usually 60/70/90, but can be 120 min.

The session always goes like this: respectful greetings, she will gently disrob you, then strip off herself,; Depending on the girl some will deep kiss or otherwise just lip kiss. A light BBBJ can be given at the beginning. You then sit on the stool and she washes you all over, everywhere, while you can touch her. Then in the bathtub for another wash, then on the slippery mattress for nuru massage. Then on a bed, for a full BBBJ, DATY, FS, as often as you can cum and in any position until the alarm rings, she dresses you up, light kiss and that's it. For Anal, fingering, ask beforehand for a girl who does it.

Access: In Yoshiwara, many more shops accept gaijins. Just walk in the area, and wait to be called. There is only one, Paradise, which is dedicated to foreigners. To my opinion, you lose the real thing, I always go to Japanese one. Language is not a problem, they will only show you girls who are comfortable with foreigners, and you can chat with her during the session with google translate. Girls who accept gaijins in Japanese soaplands are more curious, and that make the session more fun.

Price: Shorter sessions can start around 25 K Yens. That is for "ordinary" soaplands, with "ordinary, next door kind of girls. If you want super extra models type, there are plenty, but be preapred to shed 100 K or more.

As far as I know those soapalnds are the only places on earth where you can have a nice, relaxed full session with a true, real Japanese girl. With all the traditional serie that you only get in Japan. Most soaplands will have their driver drop you at the near subway station free of Charge after the session. That is, of course, if you behaved.

I miss soaplands in the West, and I miss FkKs while in Japan, since, after a session in a soapland, I would love to hang on for a few hours in a FKK-like environment, watching naked girls passing by, etc.

Japanese girls vs Romanians? In term of service, and in general terms, Japanese are way ahead. You may have, rarely, "ordinary service" in a soapland, but far less often than in an FKK. Although, of course, exceptions make the rule true. Standard service in Japanese soapland, is hardly ever reached in an FKK. Maybe a few of my old experiences in Bernd's were not that far.

The above is based on personal experience in both Japan and Germany going back more than 20 years, and probably more than 500 girls altogether.

To each his own, and there is no right or wrong.

Forgot to answer about personalities:

I don't know much Romanians outrside FKKs. Yes, most of them are there to make money, I don't blame them, I still have fond memories of a few of them, but that's it.

Japanese girls working in Sopalands are not there to extract any money form you: They get fixed pay, and no haggling during session ever. Actually asking for extras, say anal, and insisting in case she says no, by proposing more money might trigger a pretty vigorous expulsion form the place by pretty unpleasant looking yakusa men.

Outside this area of business, Japanese girls are sweet, "kawai" but can become terribly jealous, on the verge of psychopath.

I never engaged with any of them romantically for those reasons, But in a soapland, you have a nice, kawai, japanese girlfriend for an hour or more, who genuinely wants to please you.

I would just add that some 10 years ago, I decided to learn basic Japanese, and that made my mongering in Japan much better, not only because I could access a few more joints, but also in my relationship with the providers during the session. And also increase dramatically my confidence in engaging with all the people in adult business.

Last, I guess your question about becoming a sauna boy was tongue in cheek.

Of course, no way, "Japanese only" as every gaijins have experienced in Japan.

To conclude, there are currently 2 countries that I would love to be living in just now, and they are. Japan and Germany. Japan first choice. Stuck in Western Europe as of now.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2448155].............The one I did like was Erin Burnett who is now on CNN but years ago when she was young and on CNBC, was hot in my eyes. Same with Kelly Evans on CNBC. About 5 years ago she was with Wall St Journal and was hot in those days. Now both are getting older and losing it.[/QUOTE]I'm partial to Melanie Collins, CBS sportscaster.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2448260]140 CHF or 130 is for only 30 mn at Globe. As a cheap French, but I m not a rabbit, so, when I enjoy, 1 hour is even short for me. Had many 1 h30 for 390, 2 hours for 520, or even 2h30 but desk mistook to 550 , instead of 650 , very expensive at Globe, such rate only worth if wow beauty and for love in bed, for me. In some other Swiss clubs, rates are more flexible and less expensive for now same level and even most interesting for behavior girls.

About Stella Palace, when she told: I don t sell love, she didn't interest me anymore, same for Reina at LR, when I am attracted by love games. She could leave but she stayed because she had no business. What I prefer is not to ask anything to the girl, just to speak about her, to look how she looks at me and what a pleasure to discover surprise in bed, when grocery market just kill my desire. Also what great enjoyment to make improving girls following my games. I could have tried Stella, but she was not interesting for me, and I never returned to try again, when I went weekly for 1 year for my Romanian who was so far higher level for me.[/QUOTE]Well siri, as for your sell love thing in FKK, no girls sell love, they sell sex and FKK is brothel where men go to buy sex, not love.

There are some mongers who are so infatuated that they begin to think FKK is real thing, well it is not, it is just very good sex and you know there are some sad incident like monger murdering FKK girl because some monger begin to think money based sexual relation with prostitutes in FKK is real thing.

So I hope you do realize these thing we do in FKK you are more mental, I am more sexual session are just sex and not love. I hope so for your own sake.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2448121]I wonder what her chest looks like physically (other than simply being flat)? I've never been a huge tit kind of guy, so I don't mind smaller boobs. But if her chest is scarred from that procedure, then I'm sure that when the clothes came off, the attraction would fade LOL![/QUOTE]When a girl goes to the boob doctor, typically she will get a set of choices that look something like this:

[URL]https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4c/b5/3a/4cb53a3254ac2bda3ee87c6180c1a759.jpg[/URL]

I keep telling the girls they should only select option (c) or (f), but sometimes they forget and the results are disastrous.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2448360]Well siri, as for your sell love thing in FKK, no girls sell love, they sell sex and FKK is brothel where men go to buy sex, not love.

There are some mongers who are so infatuated that they begin to think FKK is real thing, well it is not, it is just very good sex and you know there are some sad incident like monger murdering FKK girl because some monger begin to think money based sexual relation with prostitutes in FKK is real thing.

So I hope you do realize these thing we do in FKK you are more mental, I am more sexual session are just sex and not love. I hope so for your own sake.[/QUOTE]I give love, sex is not enough for me, but low level for me. I pay for love in bed, but not outside clubs.

Great info!

I wish I'd known this last Feb while I was in Berlin. But I will use it on my next trip.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2448109]Kamsutra69:

Clubs: Insomnia & Swingeroase Zwiespalt in Tempelhof, Anni Porsche in Gneisenaustrae and many others. It is about EUR90 to get in and free after that, ideal for exhibitionists and those that are happy to bone a girl while she attends to other men.

Berlin has many old school brothels that are beautifully decorated, cocktails, good coffee, plenty of time to greet hot women, not at all sleazy. At least one was happy for me to lounge around, and read and even play chess with the girls whilst recovering. I liken them to old Vienna coffee shops where they were social centers. Far more intimate, quiet, smoke free and passionate IMHO. One place had an open fireplace to shag next to. Many of the girls are educated and clever, and we all know the brain can be just as erotic as the lower bits as a girl talks, is a person, giggles and is impossibly sexy to boot, especially knowing it is a sure thing ! Quite a few times when they were not busy, two girls would be for the price of one, or just a bit more.

Many of the brothel girls are German -and hate the Romanians in FKKs and/or paying up front and having sunk costs, and then waiting around to recoup the entry fee. They complain that the FKK's are like Home Depot box stores (in Germany Hornsbach, Obi, Praktiker and Hellweg), but have an entry charge..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dreams;2448297]Who asked me, on another thread, to compare FKKs and Japanese soaplands.

The short answer: Can't be compared. I love them both, like tennis and golf, but they are different.

Since everyone here knows FKKs, I will just say how different soaplands are.

You choose your girl on a line up, or on a photo, on the premises. Like in a traditional old fashion brothel.

You choose the duration of your session, usually 60/70/90, but can be 120 min.

The session always goes like this: respectful greetings, she will gently disrob you, then strip off herself,; Depending on the girl some will deep kiss or otherwise just lip kiss. A light BBBJ can be given at the beginning. You then sit on the stool and she washes you all over, everywhere, while you can touch her. Then in the bathtub for another wash, then on the slippery mattress for nuru massage. Then on a bed, for a full BBBJ, DATY, FS, as often as you can cum and in any position until the alarm rings, she dresses you up, light kiss and that's it. For Anal, fingering, ask beforehand for a girl who does it.

Access: In Yoshiwara, many more shops accept gaijins. Just walk in the area, and wait to be called. There is only one, Paradise, which is dedicated to foreigners. To my opinion, you lose the real thing, I always go to Japanese one. Language is not a problem, they will only show you girls who are comfortable with foreigners, and you can chat with her during the session with google translate. Girls who accept gaijins in Japanese soaplands are more curious, and that make the session more fun..[/QUOTE]Nice report! No one has written much on this part of the world. Thank you!

According to an insider who knows some of the FKK owners, these FKK owners are discussing a proposal to the government.

He wrote on a German forum:

"Die diskutieren gerade, wie man beim Sex den Mindestabstand einhLT, und welche Masken am vorteilhaftesten sind. In den Gastrumen werden Tische und Sitzgelegenheiten auseinander gerCKT, berall Desinfektionsmittel bereit gestellt, und am Eingang wird Fieber gemessen. Auf der Stirn, nicht hinten drin und kein Stangenfieber.

Bereiche, mit denen man die tdliche 800 qm Grenze berschreiten wrde, werden abgesperrt. Kleinsaunen und Whirls nur fare eine Person zugelassen, grssere Saunen je nach Breite mit Abstand von 2 m zum Sitznachbar eingerichtet.

Wie sich das Virus in Dampfbdern verhLT wird gerade getestet".


Google translation:

They are currently discussing how to keep the minimum distance during sex and which masks are the most advantageous. In the dining rooms, tables and seating are moved apart, disinfectants are provided everywhere, and fever is measured at the entrance. On the forehead, not in the back and no pole fever.

Areas with which one would cross the deadly 800 sqm border will be cordoned off. Small saunas and whirls are only permitted for one person, larger saunas, depending on the width, are set up at a distance of 2 m from the neighboring person.

How the virus behaves in steam baths is currently being tested.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2448515]They are currently discussing how to keep the minimum distance during sex[/QUOTE]I think it may be a little complicated.

Any news in the German press about when brothels, FKKS and (non-sex related) theatres and cinemas and techno clubs can re-open?

At Sharks, they took temperature, not at Oase. When they found 35.8, they thought thermometer didn't work, I told them: don't worry, it works, but I died many years ago, why I m cold.

Brothels owners want to negotiate with administration about managing virus between clients and prostitutes, when most infected have no high temperature and don't even know they are infected, and keeping minimum distance for sex? Not easy when short length for most. Really funny.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2448515]According to an insider who knows some of the FKK owners, these FKK owners are discussing a proposal to the government.

He wrote on a German forum:

"Die diskutieren gerade, wie man beim Sex den Mindestabstand einhLT, und welche Masken am vorteilhaftesten sind. In den Gastrumen werden Tische und Sitzgelegenheiten auseinander gerCKT, berall Desinfektionsmittel bereit gestellt, und am Eingang wird Fieber gemessen. Auf der Stirn, nicht hinten drin und kein Stangenfieber.

Bereiche, mit denen man die tdliche 800 qm Grenze berschreiten wrde, werden abgesperrt. Kleinsaunen und Whirls nur fare eine Person zugelassen, grssere Saunen je nach Breite mit Abstand von 2 m zum Sitznachbar eingerichtet.

Wie sich das Virus in Dampfbdern verhLT wird gerade getestet".


Google translation:

They are currently discussing how to keep the minimum distance during sex and which masks are the most advantageous. In the dining rooms, tables and seating are moved apart, disinfectants are provided everywhere, and fever is measured at the entrance. On the forehead, not in the back and no pole fever.

Areas with which one would cross the deadly 800 sqm border will be cordoned off. Small saunas and whirls are only permitted for one person, larger saunas, depending on the width, are set up at a distance of 2 m from the neighboring person.

How the virus behaves in steam baths is currently being tested.[/QUOTE]It makes absolutely no sense wearing masks and social distancing in FKKs and brothels unless in the rooms the men must stay six feet away from the women and wank.

[QUOTE=Dreams;2448298]
Japanese girls working in Sopalands are not there to extract any money form you: They get fixed pay, and no haggling during session ever.
....
To conclude, there are currently 2 countries that I would love to be living in just now, and they are. Japan and Germany. Japan first choice. Stuck in Western Europe as of now.[/QUOTE][NOPARSE]Salaam Dreams, thanks for your comprehensive answers to my questions, even my bullshit ones. For me I guess that narrows it down to G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶y̶,̶ ̶S̶w̶i̶t̶z̶e̶r̶l̶a̶n̶d̶, Japan, Brazil, and maybe St. Petersburg. But I refuse to live in any country without willing women, that is like being in jail.[/NOPARSE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448542]It makes absolutely no sense wearing masks and social distancing in FKKs and brothels unless in the rooms the men must stay six feet away from the women and wank.[/QUOTE]Only wank? This year could be the great cumback of the Glory Hole. With all participants fully saunatized.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2448428]I give love, sex is not enough for me, but low level for me. I pay for love in bed, but not outside clubs.[/QUOTE]You give love to FKK girls and FKK girls aka prostitutes give you low level sex session LOL! This is easy to get. So lucky you.

I like hard dirty deep best I don't believe she just did this to me kind of session LOL! This is hard to get, but I managed as I am the professional prostitute hunter LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448542]It makes absolutely no sense wearing masks and social distancing in FKKs and brothels unless in the rooms the men must stay six feet away from the women and wank.[/QUOTE]This masked sex rumor refuses to die. I don't understand this either. To all the monger posters on this site, it is so patently absurd. However, the other gentleman (forgot his name) did clarify that it is a ruse and smokescreen to get permission to restart the clubs. If so, I wish the club owners god speed. I am however unsure if the regulators will fall for it. I mean, are the regulators so dumb that they think a whole bunch of fuckers and fucked girls will go inside their rooms and scrupulously keep the mask on and somehow that is enough to stop the virus? I am very skeptical. Germany has managed the virus much better than almost all Western nations and they didn't get there by being stupid. Why are the club owners who are obviously smart enough to have managed such a tough business for so long suddenly are pitching such ridiculous proposals to the regulators? None of this makes any sense.

I will stay with my prediction that the chances of fuck clubs reopening is less than 5% before September and less than 25% prior to December.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2448113]The girls on Kiev escort sites are pretty fucking hot.

How was the overall experience in Kiev? Did you feel safe? What are the trade offs between flying into Kiev / Moscow and flying to DE for FKKs as a sex tourist?[/QUOTE]The photos on those sites are models. Not the actual working girls. The sites will send a carload of girls to you and you can pick one if you like one. Or just pay the taxi fare if you don't.

Another common option in Kiev is visiting secret apartment brothels. Price is about $100 for an hour with either option. Girls range from 6's to 8's in looks.

The big difference is that the game is not legal in Ukraine and requires a good amount of effort to score well.

Kiev feels very safe.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2448598]The photos on those sites are models. Not the actual working girls. The sites will send a carload of girls to you and you can pick one if you like one. Or just pay the taxi fare if you don't.

Another common option in Kiev is visiting secret apartment brothels. Price is about $100 for an hour with either option. Girls range from 6's to 8's in looks.

The big difference is that the game is not legal in Ukraine and requires a good amount of effort to score well.

Kiev feels very safe.[/QUOTE]I also been to this big boat in Kiev where there is a bar and all girls inside are prostitute. It was not stunners as German FKK though, but there were some nice girls like I would rate them 7 out of 10 in beauty. That and cabaret in premier palace up stair was only set up I went in Kiev without friend setting up.

Private Banya (sauna) set up was stunners of stunners girls, and I always felt that in eastern Europe, which I went to many, are best for mongering with some kind of support best by local friends or you monger there and develop contact there who can introduce you to stunner level beautiful girls.

I always rated German FKK is best in looks if you are alone with no connection style mongering. You wait and dig then stunner level beauties are still able to find in German FKK without any contacts, just bit of info which clubs to go for your taste.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2448526]I think it may be a little complicated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448542]It makes absolutely no sense wearing masks and social distancing in FKKs and brothels unless in the rooms the men must stay six feet away from the women and wank.[/QUOTE]Your posts show that you guys are honest, decent and perhaps a little naive men. I am pretty sure that you guys still remember that BBBJ is illegal in Germany, and how many mongers in Germany followed that rule of law?

I think that those FKK owners are clever because they want to reopen the business as soon as possible and would submit a workable proposal which has reasonable chance to be adopted by the Government.

By the way, massage parlors are allowed to be reopenned in Hessen since yesterday (May 4). I don't know whether this means anything with regards to FKK clubs.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2448637]Your posts show that you guys are honest, decent and perhaps a little naive men. I am pretty sure that you guys still remember that BBBJ is illegal in Germany, and how many mongers in Germany followed that rule of law?

I think that those FKK owners are clever because they want to reopen the business as soon as possible and would submit a workable proposal which has reasonable chance to be adopted by the Government.

By the way, massage parlors are allowed to be reopenned in Hessen since yesterday (May 4). I don't know whether this means anything with regards to FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Do you really think that the German government is so stupid that he's going to believe some bullshit made up by FKK owners who want to save their business? We're talking about a life threatening disease here, not about a tiny chance of getting herpes by BJ. If a girl is infected and if she has 10 customers in the day, that means 10 more sick people, who will in turn infect their family and so on. The officials won't believe that from now on, everyone will be totally cautious and customers will only masturbate in front of the girl, separated by plexiglass.

I'd really like to believe you but honestly it sounds like science fiction to me.

About the massage parlors, are you talking about only therapeutic massage or also erotic massages?

Mongers will get BBBJ in Germany no matter what, I hereby swear that I will be getting my dick sucked, licked, chew, deep throat and spat at after corona viruses.

I will put my penis into most beautiful FKK girls mouth and I will piston that right into her throat and cum in throat LOL!

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2448569][NOPARSE]Salaam Dreams, thanks for your comprehensive answers to my questions, even my bullshit ones. For me I guess that narrows it down to G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶y̶,̶ ̶S̶w̶i̶t̶z̶e̶r̶l̶a̶n̶d̶, Japan, Brazil, and maybe St. Petersburg. But I refuse to live in any country without willing women, that is like being in jail.[/NOPARSE][/QUOTE]I love the place but always went accompanied, for the operas, museums etc. How could I get some action if I find a way to get out for max, say 2 hours? No escorts, just a place, like massage with happy ending or more.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2448598]Another common option in Kiev is visiting secret . Price is about $100 for an hour with either option. Girls range from 6's to 8's in looks.

The big difference is that the game is not legal in Ukraine and requires a good amount of effort to score well.

Kiev feels very safe.[/QUOTE]Flying in to Kiev is not quite as easy as flying in to Germany or the Netherlands. I'm not sure about other public transportation but there are taxi drivers fighting to get you into their car at the airport. I paid €25 from the airport to the city via a pre-arranged taxi, arranged by the hotel. Taxi drivers there are famous for taking people site seeing. UKLON is their version of Uber and can be used to book trips with known pickup, drop off and price before getting in the cab. Car safety is sometimes questionable.

There are many bars known for working ladies. You can go to one, chat, dance, play your game. If you like her ask her to the room. It may be free or may be 100 per hour.

I walked the city, booking 15 to 20 km per day on foot. It is an amazing architectural and historical city. There are some danger points. Some city parks are gathering points for drug users after dark. Public transportation like the subway is amazing, with the deepest subway in the world, some stations that have beautiful mosaics, and 3 or 4 pickpockets on every car. If you have been drinking and get in the subway you will get robbed. If you feel it happen, don't fight back. It's more likely you will be sat in a room for 6 hours with the police interrogating you rather than those who robbed you. Even with the revolution of dignity to rid the city of corruption, my opinion, a majority of police are still taking bribes. Criminals bribe them not to be arrested and innocent people pay bribes to get out of interrogation.

I met some amazing sex providers. Never leave them alone in your room. A naked guy was chasing two women down the hall in the hotel, they had his wallet, watch and bottles from the mini bar.

Would I go again, absolutely, even after being in that room with 3 police officers for 6 hours.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2448637]Your posts show that you guys are honest, decent and perhaps a little naive men. I am pretty sure that you guys still remember that BBBJ is illegal in Germany, and how many mongers in Germany followed that rule of law?

I think that those FKK owners are clever because they want to reopen the business as soon as possible and would submit a workable proposal which has reasonable chance to be adopted by the Government.

By the way, massage parlors are allowed to be reopenned in Hessen since yesterday (May 4). I don't know whether this means anything with regards to FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]A massage parlor with social distancing ceases to be a massage parlor. An FKK with masks and social distancing ceases to be an FKK.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448684]A massage parlor with social distancing ceases to be a massage parlor. An FKK with masks and social distancing ceases to be an FKK.[/QUOTE]If you meant outside the rooms, you are entitled to your opinion although in my opinion it is less important than in the rooms and much better than without FKK clubs at all. I don't think you meant in the rooms because you know how it went with condoms since July 2017 when you were supposed to wear condoms by law.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2448685]If you meant outside the rooms, you are entitled to your opinion although in my opinion it is less important than in the rooms and much better than without FKK clubs at all. I don't think you meant in the rooms because you know how it went with condoms since July 2017 when you were supposed to wear condoms by law.[/QUOTE]Maybe the high minister of fucking is thinking about sex in FKK like this.

-check for people temperature cough etc at the entrance.

-inside the FKK social distance and ffp1 mask and high ventilation.

-inside the room ffp3 mask only doggy and manipulation and mandatory super cleaning before and after.

So forget 50/30 and go to 150/60 at minimum.

After a couple chick & pervert cleaning and ventilation of the room.

Forget also cheap airline tickets.

The price will triple minimum and only rich will afford to travel by plane.

But good news only for 2/3 years.

An if the FKK experiment go wrong, the minister can classifies all and sell to big Pharma or military.

Think about it!

I'm in USA and it is normally a sex prison unless you pay a lot for entitled princess types or skanks at the entry level. Pricing is opaque and there are regular sting operations by cops to stop consenting adults doing what biology put us on earth for in the first place.

As to COVID and our shared frustrations, spare a thought for sane people in actual prison denied human touch and how the humanity and empathy in them would in many cases wither away and die. Of course it depends on the conflicting goals of protecting the public from psychopaths, punishment and rehabilitation, but is seems to me that particular institution can and probably does destroy many. I recently considered private prisons as a portfolio addition, but I can't ethically do it, including that their business model is heavily dependent on bribing politicians and pocketing the cash for much needed medical treatment. Some of them have poor treasury management, paying 400 or more BPP over the odds for capital. The latest COVID deprivation cemented my ideas: it is not right to deprive others of human touch and sex and be a good person.

At least our sex isolation is temporary, albeit frustrating on many levels. I expect the FKKs and clubs will do a roaring trade after this, as our ilk ceases to take the hobby for granted and will want to not waste a moment enjoying it before the next virii, economic collapse or whatever that yanks away our source of joy. I should add that the joy is primal, natural, consensual and healthy for mind and body, the ultimate free market.

Any kind of restriction inside an FKK doesn't make any sense and is not workable. What could work is if there is a instant test that can check whether you have Covid19 or not, then everyone -- workers, staff and clients -- who enter could take the test in reception and only those passing be allowed through.

Although, more likely once the active cases goes down to zero, I'm sure clubs will open. They could use some things like no more than 50 in a club at a time. That's more realistic than masks and stuff.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2448644]Do you really think that the German government is so stupid that he's going to believe some bullshit made up by FKK owners who want to save their business? We're talking about a life threatening disease here, not about a tiny chance of getting herpes by BJ. If a girl is infected and if she has 10 customers in the day, that means 10 more sick people, who will in turn infect their family and so on. The officials won't believe that from now on, everyone will be totally cautious and customers will only masturbate in front of the girl, separated by plexiglass.

I'd really like to believe you but honestly it sounds like science fiction to me.

About the massage parlors, are you talking about only therapeutic massage or also erotic massages?[/QUOTE]You sounded like completely giving up. I wonder why you were still asking if anyone knew when FKK would reopen just several days ago. I hope you didn't expect FKK clubs reopen just like before without mask and social distancing, then that would be really like science fiction to me. Anyway it doesn't matter what you or I think would happen, so let's not talk about it anymore. Let's see what happens next.

My understanding is that it is therapeutic massage only.

[QUOTE=Dreams;2448663]I love the place but always went accompanied, for the operas, museums etc. How could I get some action if I find a way to get out for max, say 2 hours? No escorts, just a place, like massage with happy ending or more.[/QUOTE]Peter is the most beautiful city for me, even more than my Paris and real wow for women beauty, I will always remember my night with Olga for 400 USD, I managed badly on next day, but she helped me to be able to see again the sun. Not so easy to visit Russia, but I dream of a trip between Peter, Siberia to Vladivostok. Speaking Russian help a lot with Russians, and for sweet intimacy with Russian beauties.

Other info from sanitat und fik fik ministerium.

Entrance fee set at 150 euro.

Chick&pervert must present to one another like John smith from New York and Bianca dimitrou from Bucharest.

That for disease tracking in case of contagion.

Inside the FKK the cleaning must be made by ministerium personnel.

For gender policy can be masculine or feminine or trasgender.

Customer expectations not in consideration.

The cleaning will be especially in vagina and arsehole.

A ten euro tip welcome.

I asked if someone had real intel, not if the clubs were going to reopen soon because frankly, I have given up the idea of having fun in Germany for a long time.

We'll see what happens.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2448585]You give love to FKK girls and FKK girls aka prostitutes give you low level sex session LOL! This is easy to get. So lucky you.

I like hard dirty deep best I don't believe she just did this to me kind of session LOL! This is hard to get, but I managed as I am the professional prostitute hunter LOL![/QUOTE]Once more, you don't understand words meaning. My meaning is sex just to empty balls is no interest for me, I pay for dream and I work with girls to get back this. I don't beg, I'm not a grocer for sex, I prefer what they will to give me, back from my behavior.

If Germany is cancelling Oktoberfest, there is no way they are going to allow FKKs to reopen. However, escorts are a different matter since there will not be crowds of people.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2448644]Do you really think that the German government is so stupid that he's going to believe some bullshit made up by FKK owners who want to save their business? We're talking about a life threatening disease here, not about a tiny chance of getting herpes by BJ. If a girl is infected and if she has 10 customers in the day, that means 10 more sick people, who will in turn infect their family and so on. The officials won't believe that from now on, everyone will be totally cautious and customers will only masturbate in front of the girl, separated by plexiglass.

I'd really like to believe you but honestly it sounds like science fiction to me.

About the massage parlors, are you talking about only therapeutic massage or also erotic massages?[/QUOTE]Seems to me that the way forward is to test the girls often. Maybe a few times a week. That way you know that they won't be spreading it very much. The chance that guys give it to each other can be similar to other public places.

I just found a video about Paradise Stutgart, to motivate people for the end of the pandemic!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6eiFe4UE8Q[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2448761]Once more, you don't understand words meaning. My meaning is sex just to empty balls is no interest for me, I pay for dream and I work with girls to get back this. I don't beg, I'm not a grocer for sex, I prefer what they will to give me, back from my behavior.[/QUOTE]I pay for dreams too, but it is good dirty deep sex like pierre woodman style because that's my fetish I like to fulfill in FKK. By the way, to get this, I have to behave too while negotiating what I want in room. Like woodman during casting, he is nice, it is just when sex begin he turn into sex monster LOL! You have to be nice to them and charming, I mean I do get DFK on mouth from girls who does not DFK everybody don't I? And make them DFK my anal, which I always do, it is another level negotiation, and you got to be nice to convince them to DFK my anal, you know how many time I hear I don't do this in FKK, and I must convince her to DFK my anal, almost every time LOL. I got it from everyone, it is just that I must be nice and pay 50 euro extra LOL.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2448762]If Germany is cancelling Oktoberfest, there is no way they are going to allow FKKs to reopen. However, escorts are a different matter since there will not be crowds of people.[/QUOTE]That could mean that the best FKK girls end up on Kaufmich until the clubs reopen.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2448734]Any kind of restriction inside an FKK doesn't make any sense and is not workable. What could work is if there is a instant test that can check whether you have Covid19 or not, then everyone -- workers, staff and clients -- who enter could take the test in reception and only those passing be allowed through.

Although, more likely once the active cases goes down to zero, I'm sure clubs will open. They could use some things like no more than 50 in a club at a time. That's more realistic than masks and stuff.[/QUOTE]Need time to have test results and information is private. Many Chinese tests are not reliable. For my way for sex, you are stuck and rub on the girl, so distance is 0, just reality.

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[QUOTE=Akibono;2448762]If Germany is cancelling Oktoberfest, there is no way they are going to allow FKKs to reopen. However, escorts are a different matter since there will not be crowds of people.[/QUOTE]Yes, they are thinking about cancelling, when it s very important in Germany, for sure much more important than brothels and not so risky. I think only AO can be more risky than normal brothels at the moment, real playfield for virus, only 1 infected with R0 3, maybe 5, and spreading run, 1 girl can infect more than 5 guys a day, when many old, fat. Yes, if can move, if find a pretty enough escort to worth the rate, she should look for business at the moment. But not only Germany, maybe Austria will reopen and some girls should move to Vienna where 60 or 70/30, or Wellcum for 70/30. Spain should also reopen one day. Cleverness is ability to adapt.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2448762]If Germany is cancelling Oktoberfest, there is no way they are going to allow FKKs to reopen. However, escorts are a different matter since there will not be crowds of people.[/QUOTE]There is no way to get back FKK life as we knew it this year or someone is considering to kill the sublime or frenetic act of fucking with masks, gloves, fear, certain distance or touchless? In my case, FKKland is a kind of hobby that I allow myself once or twice a year. Let's see what happens on 2021 after the vaccine or when covid is one more virus like it was MERS, SARS and others that would kill the world and nothing happened. Of course, it is very sad to see people die, I already lost two friends of my family, but life goes on. Keep well!

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2448685]If you meant outside the rooms, you are entitled to your opinion although in my opinion it is less important than in the rooms and much better than without FKK clubs at all. I don't think you meant in the rooms because you know how it went with condoms since July 2017 when you were supposed to wear condoms by law.[/QUOTE]The authorities are not going to require social distancing and the wearing of masks in FKK and then allow cavorting in the rooms as before, it makes no sense and they are not stupid. The use of condoms was purely a room issue. Coronavirus is an everywhere issue. They will reopen FKKs when it is no longer mandatory to social distance and wear masks.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2448680]Flying in to Kiev is not quite as easy as flying in to Germany or the Netherlands. I'm not sure about other public transportation but there are taxi drivers fighting to get you into their car at the airport. I paid 25 from the airport to the city via a pre-arranged taxi, arranged by the hotel. Taxi drivers there are famous for taking people site seeing. UKLON is their version of Uber and can be used to book trips with known pickup, drop off and price before getting in the cab. Car safety is sometimes questionable.

Would I go again, absolutely, even after being in that room with 3 police officers for 6 hours.[/QUOTE]LOL!

I only use Uber in Kiev inlcuding pickup at airport and it's super cheap. Less than $10 to Independence Square (Maiden) if I recall correctly.

Interesting info thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2448759]I asked if someone had real intel, not if the clubs were going to reopen soon because frankly, I have given up the idea of having fun in Germany for a long time.

We'll see what happens.[/QUOTE]From a lady friend, working in a club. She will decide this week if she will seek other employment based on what the club hears. That said, either that club expects a decision from the government this week or that clyb will decide if they struggle to stay solvent beyond this week.

[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2448918]There is no way to get back FKK life as we knew it this year or someone is considering to kill the sublime or frenetic act of fucking with masks, gloves, fear, certain distance or touchless? In my case, FKKland is a kind of hobby that I allow myself once or twice a year. Let's see what happens on 2021 after the vaccine or when covid is one more virus like it was MERS, SARS and others that would kill the world and nothing happened. Of course, it is very sad to see people die, I already lost two friends of my family, but life goes on. Keep well![/QUOTE]Maybe Austria should open earlier. Wait and see.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448946]The authorities are not going to require social distancing and the wearing of masks in FKK and then allow cavorting in the rooms as before, it makes no sense and they are not stupid. The use of condoms was purely a room issue. Coronavirus is an everywhere issue. They will reopen FKKs when it is no longer mandatory to social distance and wear masks.[/QUOTE]As I said to BigBuddy69, let's see what happens next.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2448802]I pay for dreams too, but it is good dirty deep sex like pierre woodman style because that's my fetish I like to fulfill in FKK. By the way, to get this, I have to behave too while negotiating what I want in room. Like woodman during casting, he is nice, it is just when sex begin he turn into sex monster LOL! You have to be nice to them and charming, I mean I do get DFK on mouth from girls who does not DFK everybody don't I? And make them DFK my anal, which I always do, it is another level negotiation, and you got to be nice to convince them to DFK my anal, you know how many time I hear I don't do this in FKK, and I must convince her to DFK my anal, almost every time LOL. I got it from everyone, it is just that I must be nice and pay 50 euro extra LOL.[/QUOTE]When you look like him: bald, fat, hairy on belly, small dick, and he worked in police before, difficult frustrating job in France, can't you see all his frustration in his behavior? He is average look in FKK, when small size are frustrated about women. Normal size, meaning you are big in FKK land, are much more self confident with women, furthermore if they have a bit of knowledge and skill learned with women. I would be much more impressed by a guy whose woman would tell: my man makes me being happy.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2448959]From a lady friend, working in a club. She will decide this week if she will seek other employment based on what the club hears. That said, either that club expects a decision from the government this week or that clyb will decide if they struggle to stay solvent beyond this week.[/QUOTE]There are not many normal jobs either out there at the moment. Unemployment is up sharply everywhere. In the US 30% or perhaps even higher percent of the population are likely unemployed and many of the remaining are underemployed. Given that most restaurants, bars etc are either closed completely or some of them are open but with limited capacity and hence reduced staff, why would they be looking to add new employees? Much more likely that whoever was working before will have a shot at coming back, some of them anyway.

Even if one or two WGs get lucky here and there, most of them will find nothing and will be looking to return back to the fuck business ASAP.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448946]The authorities are not going to require social distancing and the wearing of masks in FKK and then allow cavorting in the rooms as before, it makes no sense and they are not stupid. The use of condoms was purely a room issue. Coronavirus is an everywhere issue. They will reopen FKKs when it is no longer mandatory to social distance and wear masks.[/QUOTE]Mandatory masks and social distancing will be with us AT LEAST another year, so I don't expect clubs to reopen much before middle of next year at the soonest.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2448759]I asked if someone had real intel, not if the clubs were going to reopen soon because frankly, I have given up the idea of having fun in Germany for a long time.

We'll see what happens.[/QUOTE]FKK clubs will re-open when German government will let them re-open, it is very simple as that. Period. Very very simple.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2448983]There are not many normal jobs either out there at the moment. Unemployment is up sharply everywhere. In the US 30% or perhaps even higher percent of the population are likely unemployed and many of the remaining are underemployed. Given that most restaurants, bars etc are either closed completely or some of them are open but with limited capacity and hence reduced staff, why would they be looking to add new employees? Much more likely that whoever was working before will have a shot at coming back, some of them anyway.

Even if one or two WGs get lucky here and there, most of them will find nothing and will be looking to return back to the fuck business ASAP.[/QUOTE]Chinese WMD is the most powerful WMD after all LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2448946]The authorities are not going to require social distancing and the wearing of masks in FKK and then allow cavorting in the rooms as before, it makes no sense and they are not stupid. The use of condoms was purely a room issue. Coronavirus is an everywhere issue. They will reopen FKKs when it is no longer mandatory to social distance and wear masks.[/QUOTE]That's right! Obviously, if someone is addicted to the FKK, they may not care much about wearing a mask and having a handjob with gloves, but I think for most of us, we would rather wait for the experience we had before. If all goes well, maaaaaybe it could be next winter. I prefer to wait until next year. My healthy and my right pleasure are my priorities.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2449003]FKK clubs will re-open when German government will let them re-open, it is very simple as that. Period. Very very simple.[/QUOTE]Even when club open, international visitors will not be allowed into the EU. The UK is talking about a 14 day quarantine. So, unless you are a EU resident, no nookie for you.

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[QUOTE=MrHo;2449003]FKK clubs will re-open when German government will let them re-open, it is very simple as that. Period. Very very simple.[/QUOTE]Hessen FKK including Shark are open and most of the FKK will open Thursday or beginning of next week. Probably the LU will be terrible, some old German woman around I guess. Even if you pay me high money I will never go before long long time, my health is far more important than fucking a prostitute. I consider that FKK activities are at the highest risk to get sick.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2449003]FKK clubs will re-open when German government will let them re-open, it is very simple as that. Period. Very very simple.[/QUOTE]When they are thinking to cancel their famous Oktoberfest which is much less risky than brothels, give a bit idea for FKK. But Austria may open earlier.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2449003]FKK clubs will re-open when German government will let them re-open, it is very simple as that. Period. Very very simple.[/QUOTE]Your answer is more difficult to accept for people who went on multiple trips per year, sometime even weekly, instead of multiple years between visits.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2448983]............Even if one or two WGs get lucky here and there, most of them will find nothing and will be looking to return back to the fuck business ASAP.[/QUOTE]Quite an optimistic view for a pessimist. I do not see things so promising. There is so much unemployment now yet the escort business has been the worst I have ever experienced.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2449125]Quite an optimistic view for a pessimist. I do not see things so promising. There is so much unemployment now yet the escort business has been the worst I have ever experienced.[/QUOTE]I am an equal opportunity pessimist across all industries, haha. I am not so optimistic that FKKs, especially the larger ones will open any time soon, I said a few times that the chance of opening prior to Sept is 5% in my estimation and even December is only 25% I think. I am just saying that most of the ex FKK girls have their own unique challenges in terms of finding alternative employment at this time: (a) the job market is very very tough for everyone and if things open at all, the ones getting hired back are the ones who used to work there previously and not brand new hires (b) these girls have no skill sets to speak of and the industries most suited for them viz food services, retail, receptionist etc are quite hard hit and going to operate at low levels of utilization for a substantial amount of time. There are also other challenges: these girls were used to making easy money, and what they can make standing vertical is a small fraction of what they used to make lying horizontally, and that bothers them and they will always be making comparisons to their past earnings; secondly, their habits became somewhat extravagant along with the amounts they were making. An example is that if they had not spent all that money on frivolous spending, they could have saved for a rainy day like this, but my guess is that very girls did. So, they will struggle to live on 10 Euros an hour when they were making 100 E an hour (or 350 an hour if they caught newbie Asians). Now, it will be a while before Asians will be allowed back inside the clubs.

Any which way I see it, these girls are in for a tough time. They should have saved for a time like this. An advice that works for all of us. So, my guess is, many of them are pining for old days and eagerly awaiting club reopens.

I attached a link to the situation in Romania in a comment a couple of days ago. Romania is doing worse than France, per that article. I just hope that their lover boys did not abuse them and confiscate whatever savings they had till now.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2449064]When they are thinking to cancel their famous Oktoberfest which is much less risky than brothels, give a bit idea for FKK. But Austria may open earlier.[/QUOTE]I agree. Yet, the Dutch Government announced yesterday that Sex Clubs will re-open on 1 Sept (2020).

And The Netherlands was hit much harder than Germany and is now in a much worse position than Germany wrt to corona.

Hard to understand.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2449059]Hessen FKK including Shark are open and most of the FKK will open Thursday or beginning of next week. Probably the LU will be terrible, some old German woman around I guess. Even if you pay me high money I will never go before long long time, my health is far more important than fucking a prostitute. I consider that FKK activities are at the highest risk to get sick.[/QUOTE]Are you sure!!

Any link to confirm??

[QUOTE=Borrop74;2449198]I agree. Yet, the Dutch Government announced yesterday that Sex Clubs will re-open on 1 Sept (2020).

And The Netherlands was hit much harder than Germany and is now in a much worse position than Germany wrt to corona.

Hard to understand.[/QUOTE]Wish YY will reopen on 1 September, like NL. Austria may open on 1 July. France may open borders for Summer holidays, needing tourism income.

No. They are not open yet.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2449059]Hessen FKK including Shark are open and most of the FKK will open Thursday or beginning of next week. Probably the LU will be terrible, some old German woman around I guess. Even if you pay me high money I will never go before long long time, my health is far more important than fucking a prostitute. I consider that FKK activities are at the highest risk to get sick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2449107]Your answer is more difficult to accept for people who went on multiple trips per year, sometime even weekly, instead of multiple years between visits.[/QUOTE]Well that is the truth, government decide, then tell that to government not to me, it is not my decision, if it is up to me, it would be open already as it apparently is according to some posters.

I just went in Jan / Feb, so I am OK till like summer or winter even. I went last summer then I was OK even in Jan., but I went as I had to meet friend in other nations in Europe, so when in Europe I have to leach out to FKK also LOL!

[QUOTE=Akibono;2449036]Even when club open, international visitors will not be allowed into the EU. The UK is talking about a 14 day quarantine. So, unless you are a EU resident, no nookie for you.[/QUOTE]Funny thing is Europe who had such a high death rates is closing themselves to some international visitor that did by far better than France, Italy, Spain or UK LOL! I hope not to Japan because we are the one who is going to give them Avigan for free in may, one of two medicine that works.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2449059]Hessen FKK including Shark are open and most of the FKK will open Thursday or beginning of next week. Probably the LU will be terrible, some old German woman around I guess. Even if you pay me high money I will never go before long long time, my health is far more important than fucking a prostitute. I consider that FKK activities are at the highest risk to get sick.[/QUOTE]That is excellent news, I just went in Jan and Feb, so I am OK for while. Escorts are open here and kept open, but I am staying away as I prefer to protect my lungs and even though we got Avigan ready for all citizens this month, I rather not take medicines.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2449223]No. They are not open yet.[/QUOTE]I read in Globe forum that brothels and escorts are kept closed till August 31st as of now.

It is good thing I just went in Jan. / Feb., so I had enough of fucking white prostitutes woodman style LOL!

Meanwhile, I will see when I go and fuck some Eurasian girls here LOL! But I think I stay away from mongering till the situation for awhile till the situation is more calm, so let us go into mongering Ramadan LOL!

[URL]https://www.romania-insider.com/ec-ro-economy-6-percent-drop-may-2020[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2449223]No. They are not open yet.[/QUOTE]I confirm: Real information is German brothels are not planned to reopen. Bavaria plan to reopen bars and restaurants, but not brothels which are more risky than legendary Oktoberfest which could be cancelled, when Germany have much more deaths than Greece or Portugal.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2449239]That is excellent news, I just went in Jan and Feb, so I am OK for while. Escorts are open here and kept open, but I am staying away as I prefer to protect my lungs and even though we got Avigan ready for all citizens this month, I rather not take medicines.[/QUOTE]And you believe all what You read? In FKK land of lies, better not to believe all what is written or what you are told. From my little experience, I believe what I see with my own eyes and what I experience. At the moment, Austria seem ahead for reopening maybe on July, NL maybe on September, Switzerland not before September, and nobody know for German brothels and no WG nor club owner can know, when legendary Oktoberfest, much less risky than brothels, really cultural in Germany, may be cancelled.

You are right to be careful about virus which not only attack lungs but can also infect blood, but Japan have magic medicine when France medical level let die people, it s true for some old and sick, doctors prefer to let them die quietly at home in their bed rather than under ventilator in hospital, when 80% deaths are old and most of others were sick before. Around 2000 who were not detected sick before, which don't mean they were not sick without knowing. Medical is not exact science like mathematics. But better to be careful, if You are not sure to be a iron warrior or if You have relatives like old mother You could kill. I was in FKK on mid March, girls didn t care about virus, even going with few Asians seen, but I m pretty sure it was already playfield for virus. Yesterday, when I saw Olga, when really slow business for escorts at the moment in Paris, it was full GFE with DFK, I forgot mask but I dreamed, and we ejected management for booking for our next times. I didn't ask anything but exactly same than with FKK Romanians, she showed me so much about her private, I really must have the face, or maybe manners, to be shown identity, private photos. About instagram, as I couldn't believe she has nearly 11 thousands followers who never saw her for real, only licking photos, stories and videos, like licking a window, but I enjoyed to lick her everywhere as she has good taste and firm flesh with nipples becoming dark and hardening. After only 1 hour, with a Russian modeling, never saw a Russian look like her in FKK, only half German half Ukrainian Fabienne at YY was on same level for look, I didn t lose too much skill and we agreed for 180 for 1 hour on next time when usual with agency is 250/ h. Once more, manners and skill are paying and she was funny on DATY: like most girls when they trust and feel they can finish, no noisy porn fake moaning, but they participate, rubbing clit on tongue while licking. Even prostitutes, but when they feel safe and trust, they can t resist to pleasure, they want pleasure which is not so often, I think quite a time she didn't get, when I saw her eyes like seeing the devil. Really enjoyable and of course, like with most FKK Romanian beauties, they will to please back after. You give, You receive and not always paying more. Will be less with her, succeeding after only 1 meeting. Wish the other model will be disappointing look, even wow photos, then I won t stay, because I would really like to spend a bit of time with this nice discovery and I love her so beautiful little female dog, so in love, following me everywhere, looking at me taking shower before and after, licking my trousers. She laughed a lot seeing her dog with me.

[QUOTE]Germany wants to reopen the countrys [b]bars[/b] and restaurants as early as this weekend. The chancellor has also spoken out in favor of lifting restrictions on schools and sports. Follow DW for the latest

19:01 Germany is aiming for a nationwide controlled reopening bars and restaurants between May 9 and May 22, news agency DPA has reported, following a video conference of state economy ministers with Germanys federal economy minister Peter Altmaier. Reopening of tourist accommodations is under consideration for the end of May.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-as-it-happened-german-ministers-aim-to-reopen-restaurants-within-2-weeks/a-53331736
[/QUOTE]This sounds promising for FKK's.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2449310]This sounds promising for FKK's.[/QUOTE]Are brothels only bars or restaurants? Bavaria is reopening bars and restaurants, but Germans have also to put on mask to enter stores. For those who are in Germany and in hurry, find a escort on Kaufmich or else, I m pretty sure slow business for escorts, same like in Paris, because most of escorts clients, same like in FKK as tell me girls who can t believe I m not married, are married guys and most can t go now. I met German girls in brothels who also worked as escort: Sandra at Sharks, 2 at Samya, Tyra at Atmos, Sam and Gigi at GT where also Shayen, Coco.

You know you are a hardcore monger if the number one reason you want this covid19 pandemic to be over is so you can go back to an FKK club!

And you are more interested in what's happening in SWitzerland, Germany, Austria than your own country!

Mongering: A person who is actively researching and on the prowl for sexual intercourse with a professional or otherwise. This mostly happens away from home in a foreign Country or City, but can happen right in your own town.

Just in case you don't know who you are or you cannot see yourself, this above is you, nothing more, nothing less LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2448756]Peter is the most beautiful city for me, even more than my Paris and real wow for women beauty, I will always remember my night with Olga for 400 USD, I managed badly on next day, but she helped me to be able to see again the sun. Not so easy to visit Russia, but I dream of a trip between Peter, Siberia to Vladivostok. Speaking Russian help a lot with Russians, and for sweet intimacy with Russian beauties.[/QUOTE]Agree, never tired of visiting the city, museums, churches, cemeteries, parks and gardens as well as all the palaces near by, and attending concerts and operas. Also love Moscow as well, so different form what Western media try to paint. These big cities are quite open and friendly.

The train trip to lake Baikal is supposed to be just fantastic. Probably less easy further to Vladivostok. I am too old for that, scared that if I have a stroke or a heart attack half way true, that my be bad.

As a tourists in St P and Moscow, Russian language is not really needed for non mongering activities. But, as I learnt in Japan, speaking a bit surely does make any encounter with local beauties far more entertaining.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2449310]This sounds promising for FKK's.[/QUOTE]I don't see FKKs opening until next year.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2449353]I don't see FKKs opening until next year.[/QUOTE]Not only Germany as FKK land. When you are a real free bird, maybe Austria for Summer, NL on September. Wait for Switzerland but not before September and Spain Catalunya for real Russians, Ukrainians, who are able to speak Russian, when no Russian or Ukrainian ID can work in Germany. Spain should not be before October. But most important for me is not brothels opening, but EU borders opening, only inside EU at the moment, to go to Dolomiti and to meet some girls, not needing clubs.

This is the page to look at to see when the Hesse clubs can open [URL]https://wirtschaft.hessen.de/wirtschaft/corona-info/darf-ich-mein-geschaeft-oeffnen[/URL].

I'm not optimistic for this year either. Any openings are useless for me as I couldn't get into Germany given the current regulations.

[QUOTE=Borrop74;2449198]I agree. Yet, the Dutch Government announced yesterday that Sex Clubs will re-open on 1 Sept (2020).

And The Netherlands was hit much harder than Germany and is now in a much worse position than Germany wrt to corona.

Hard to understand.[/QUOTE]NL chose not confined, like Sweden, when Germany confined for about 6 weeks. Worst figures for deaths rate is NL twin, Belgium, even they confined. No logic, nothing about medical level when Africa manage better than Western Europe and US, when Greece and Portugal manage better than Germany, when many Portuguese come to France when they are sick to be cured. In France, we have district number 93 on North East Paris suburb, which is poorest district in France with many social problems and many people not respecting confined and not many hospitals, where deaths rate is the highest, and we have in center of France, district number 48 with no train big station, nor airport, they are quite isolated, even they are in center of France, they are famous for limousine cows with tasty meat and cheese, good foods and good restaurants, and they have no death from covid, but tourists will arrive and they need tourism to live. France and UK are following US, being poor and black or Maghrebian type kill, even they won t have to pay healthcare in France, reason why so many foreigners come to be cured in France with higher medical level and nothing to pay. Tax we pay, since I started to work, pay for this. When I often fight with administration about so heavy many tax we pay on our income, but at the moment I m happy to work, to try to save my job, to make income and pay tax and those who order me for job, who told me mid March: better to stop and use the law, are amazed to make big income under crisis, and clients seem happy to see we are able to take risks to respect contracts, despite many police controls and difficult to respect working safety conditions. But with the will, this is working, and should receive bonus, when most will have less income, but they are lucky to receive in France for staying at home, when no money nor anymore insurance in US.

This is the page to look at to see when the Hesse clubs can open.

I'm not optimistic for this year either. Any openings are useless for me as I couldn't get into Germany given the current regulations.

Shark, Oase. Are already open, but I will not visit until many months, first the health risk is very high in a FKK, second knowing that the borders of Germany are closed you can only except to have some German girls (not my cup of tea at all) , probably a really depressed LU for the coming months.

[QUOTE=Dreams;2449344]Agree, never tired of visiting the city, museums, churches, cemeteries, parks and gardens as well as all the palaces near by, and attending concerts and operas. Also love Moscow as well, so different form what Western media try to paint. These big cities are quite open and friendly.

The train trip to lake Baikal is supposed to be just fantastic. Probably less easy further to Vladivostok. I am too old for that, scared that if I have a stroke or a heart attack half way true, that my be bad.

As a tourists in St P and Moscow, Russian language is not really needed for non mongering activities. But, as I learnt in Japan, speaking a bit surely does make any encounter with local beauties far more entertaining.[/QUOTE]When I visited Peter and Moscow on mid December 2010 with my company, Peter is real museum city for me and wow Peterhof even waterfalls were closed, but in both, Russians are really low level for English, they can compete with French. Much easier when you can communicate in Russian I learned at school because of Barbara Bach who was Anya Anissimova in spy who loved me. It was snowy, days were short, but seeing such beauties walking on high heels in snow and wow Siberian Olga, even I didn't manage good with her, not easy about my company, gave sun to my mind when I was in the dark. Would like to return, but in June, if I find time one day. Dream about Ekaterinburg, Irkoutsk on Baïkal, Novossibirsk, Vladivostock, land of beauties, I m pretty sure, speaking Russian, with manners and skill, for not much more than 100 USD per day with restaurant and few gifts.

Easy, I just asked my only German friend, living south Frankfurt, and who often saw my behavior. His local information is: restaurants will open soon, shops are opened but with mask, but paid sex is illegal at the moment in Germany, when not illegal escorting in France, and clubs are closed. So many fakes and fakers, when Germans don't know about when reopening.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2449462]Easy, I just asked my only German friend, living south Frankfurt, and who often saw my behavior. His local information is: restaurants will open soon, shops are opened but with mask, but paid sex is illegal at the moment in Germany, when not illegal escorting in France, and clubs are closed. So many fakes and fakers, when Germans don't know about when reopening.[/QUOTE]Wow, you did? And he saw your "behavior" in FKK with prostitutes? Wow, that's great behavior LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2449238]Funny thing is Europe who had such a high death rates is closing themselves to some international visitor that did by far better than France, Italy, Spain or UK LOL! I hope not to Japan because we are the one who is going to give them Avigan for free in may, one of two medicine that works.[/QUOTE]The EU don't really want to open up, but they must for member states because their economies are co-dependant. So, it has nothing to do with the rates. The rest of the world will be locked out because they cannot guarantee clean health. What might make a difference is an hour test. You could be tested before or after you fly and if you are clean, you get to enter the country. Of course, you will pay for the test. I would gladly do that to gain entry.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2449408]This is the page to look at to see when the Hesse clubs can open.

I'm not optimistic for this year either. Any openings are useless for me as I couldn't get into Germany given the current regulations.

Shark, Oase. Are already open, but I will not visit until many months, first the health risk is very high in a FKK, second knowing that the borders of Germany are closed you can only except to have some German girls (not my cup of tea at all) , probably a really depressed LU for the coming months.[/QUOTE]Recent report is that the virus is found in semen. Thus, when I come in her mouth, she may infect anyone she kisses. Want to take that risk?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2449334]Are brothels only bars or restaurants? Bavaria is reopening bars and restaurants, but Germans have also to put on mask to enter stores. For those who are in Germany and in hurry, find a escort on Kaufmich or else, I m pretty sure slow business for escorts, same like in Paris, because most of escorts clients, same like in FKK as tell me girls who can t believe I m not married, are married guys and most can t go now. I met German girls in brothels who also worked as escort: Sandra at Sharks, 2 at Samya, Tyra at Atmos, Sam and Gigi at GT where also Shayen, Coco.[/QUOTE]An FKK is like a bar but with sex guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2449387]This is the page to look at to see when the Hesse clubs can open [URL]https://wirtschaft.hessen.de/wirtschaft/corona-info/darf-ich-mein-geschaeft-oeffnen[/URL].
[/QUOTE]Yep. On the site there is a list of businesses that are allowed vs. Not allowed to open. In the not allowed list are: sauna, brothels, laufhaus. Interestingly, Thai massage studios are allowed to open. Good luck getting happy endings if you must go there.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2449492]The EU don't really want to open up, but they must for member states because their economies are co-dependant. So, it has nothing to do with the rates. The rest of the world will be locked out because they cannot guarantee clean health. What might make a difference is an hour test. You could be tested before or after you fly and if you are clean, you get to enter the country. Of course, you will pay for the test. I would gladly do that to gain entry.[/QUOTE]Yeah only Germany is strong economical state by far with proper industries. I would say G7 should revised who are member states and should focus more on Global leading nations as EU is not working LOL, but problem is most nations in EU are not fit to stand alone as a country as you said, they need each others dependency to function as a country. Even during war, European nations could not even stop Germany till US came in. Same goes for Asia with Japan.

For NRW brothels (GT, LR, Samya, etc), check this twitter feed too.

[URL]https://twitter.com/landnrw/status/1256262746141794305?s=20[/URL]

[QUOTE=Akibono;2449492]The EU don't really want to open up, but they must for member states because their economies are co-dependant. So, it has nothing to do with the rates. The rest of the world will be locked out because they cannot guarantee clean health. What might make a difference is an hour test. You could be tested before or after you fly and if you are clean, you get to enter the country. Of course, you will pay for the test. I would gladly do that to gain entry.[/QUOTE]EU countries have to restart their economy, shops are opened in Austria and Germany but with mask, France restart on Monday even not what I call freedom, Italy and Spain already did a bit, but France may only open borders on 15 June, Spain may wait until October killing tourism income. Maybe inside borders will open for Summer, meaning 1 July as seem planned for Austria, but Western Europe have to learn, to become much more independent.

CIM won't be allowed then. It's risky even otherwise. The girl is going to get licked by every monger before you. That's why we go to them. To do things that we can't do with a regular partner.

I am optimistic in the sense that there will be cure to this virus soon. Otherwise I don't see the clubs opening before that.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2449495]Recent report is that the virus is found in semen. Thus, when I come in her mouth, she may infect anyone she kisses. Want to take that risk?[/QUOTE]

FKK's should consider turning themselves in to strip clubs for now. Contactless performance with limited number of patrons. I would gladly go to take my mind off things.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2449496]An FKK is like a bar but with sex guaranteed.[/QUOTE]Much more risky than a bar. Bars will open, restaurants also, not brothels.

FKK will reopen when German government allow FKK to reopen. German government decide, not the sex forum LOL!

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2449562]FKK's should consider turning themselves in to strip clubs for now. Contactless performance with limited number of patrons. I would gladly go to take my mind off things.[/QUOTE]I remember Hustler or David and Katy Guetta pink paradise in Paris, despite rules because of French law and security guys, but when girls agreed, you could foreplay, rub, inside and take appointment for outside, with Russian or Czech beauties, I even went to one 3 times in Praha on Summer 2005 between 2 girlfriends, but this was very expensive clubs, more than escorts. I won't drive to Germany for strip show, when I can have like in love behavior Russian beauties in Paris. I will go only for same level I got before confined, but solution may be to meet girls out of brothels, when borders will open.

FKK's should consider turning themselves in to strip clubs for now. Contactless performance with limited number of patrons. I would gladly go to take my mind off things.

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In fact it depends on the level of risk you are willing to take. Less contacts less risks to get infected. I checked how long the virus can survive on your clothes, a glass, a door handle, a desk, a table. It is just terrible probably it can survive several days on some metallic parts. Personally I have reduced to the strict minimum all my contacts, when I go shopping I wash all my things and don t touch them for several days. I consider dating prostitutes in brothels. Is at very high risk and I don t want to take any just for 1 minute of pleasure. Also I don t go to any bar, restaurant. This virus is extremely aggressive, most of the girls have no choice or don t want to consider another life and probably a big majority will come back in FKK as soon as possible to get fucked 10 times or more every day just to support their pimps, boy friends, husband. I have the choice therefor I will not visit any prostitute before long long time.

Yes but when a massage parlor advertises about a lingam massage, this is some kind of sexual service. They specify on their website that no sex is allowed in the parlor but they're just playing with words.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2449962] Just let you know that all types of Massage parlors in NRW are allowed to be reopened from tomorrow (May 11).

[/QUOTE]I meant normal massage parlors which are legally not allowed to offer sex service.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2449962]BigBuddy69,

You asked me about massage a few days ago. Just let you know that all types of Massage parlors in NRW are allowed to be reopened from tomorrow (May 11), but I think you know it is illegal to offer any kind of sex service in massage parlors in Germany.

According to one poster on Rheinforum who studied new measures (see the link below), escort service will also be allowed in NRW from tomorrow although it is not clearly stated in the measures.

https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/2020-05-08_fassung_coronaschvo_ab_11.05.2020_lesefassung_final_0.pdf[/QUOTE]Are you really sure NRW will allow escorting, when Germany put again under confined part of north Germany where many cases, to try to control fragile R0 . I think poor Rhur in NRW should be risky enough zone about virus.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2449962]According to one poster on Rheinforum who studied new measures (see the link below), escort service will also be allowed in NRW from tomorrow although it is not clearly stated in the measures.

https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/2020-05-08_fassung_coronaschvo_ab_11.05.2020_lesefassung_final_0.pdf[/QUOTE]Allowed or not, you'll still find some who are so addicted to pay sex that they think they're immortal. The same kind of guys who don't wear a mask and who will happily pass the virus to others.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2449538]EU countries have to restart their economy, shops are opened in Austria and Germany but with mask, France restart on Monday even not what I call freedom, Italy and Spain already did a bit, but France may only open borders on 15 June, Spain may wait until October killing tourism income. Maybe inside borders will open for Summer, meaning 1 July as seem planned for Austria, but Western Europe have to learn, to become much more independent.[/QUOTE]Except Germany, European nations are too weak to be independent, they depend on EU very much and Germany is the governor of EU. Some nations even failed by taking chinese easy money, but with strings attached even though we have been warning Europe about danger of chinese silk road strategy, they did not listen just like with masks and look what happened. It is called digging their own grave.

One week ago I got an update by a massage parlor woman via Whatsapp. She doesn't expect that the places (Frankfurt) should open within short notice. Yesterday I was meandering through the city center to look for windows being open in order to clean the air inside the rooms. Nothing.

Nonetheless there seem a few places to be open now as these entities already since the very past are promoting with classical medical Chinese massage.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2449985]Are you really sure NRW will allow escorting .... poor Rhur in NRW should be risky enough zone about virus.[/QUOTE]NRW is the hotspot for Corona since the very first beginning as e.g. carnival events worked like a splitter in several regions. But the prime minister of NRW since weeks is one of the opinion leaders arguing for more freedom especially in social life.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2449968]Yes but when a massage parlor advertises about a lingam massage, this is some kind of sexual service. They specify on their website that no sex is allowed in the parlor but they're just playing with words.[/QUOTE]I have never been to any massage parlor in Germany (or anywhere else), but I heard that some of them did offer sex, but you had to know them personally.

Netherlands will reopen all types of sex establishments from September 1 unless some unforeseen thing happens. You can go to FKK Sixsens at that time, but I know it is more than three and half months from now.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2450111]I have never been to any massage parlor in Germany (or anywhere else), but I heard that some of them did offer sex, but you had to know them personally.

Netherlands will reopen all types of sex establishments from September 1 unless some unforeseen thing happens. You can go to FKK Sixsens at that time, but I know it is more than three and half months from now.[/QUOTE]Austria may reopen paid sex on July. Vienna is wonderful town to visit and what a speed run through Germany, to warm tires. Wish for YY NL reopening on September.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2449976]I meant normal massage parlors which are legally not allowed to offer sex service.[/QUOTE]I don't really see why brothels shouldn't be allowed to open if the massage parlors are allowed to open, especially considering that some MP's offer extras.

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2450089]It was, it is and it will be unnecessary to discuss any kind of features which male guests expect or are suprised to get in touch with when being in a club. Why? Nobody got a look beyond the closed door but assumptions and rumours make the round what happens and the conditions for realisation. Meanwhile it's ridiculous that traditional STD and HIV aren't anymore in the focus of board members (maybe most of the guys always have a broad-spectrum antibiotic in their pockets or stories about welllknown clubs are only fairy tales) but castles' building in the air thinking that there is a vaccine close to approval by FDA is the key for unlimited pleasure in the future??[/QUOTE]I generally use copious amounts of wet wipes on a babe before getting down to business. Post covid I will be using much more.

I wonder if any FKK girls especially from Romania have turned to Seeking Arrangement or other sugar baby websites during this Covid19 crisis as a way of earning money?

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2450111]I have never been to any massage parlor in Germany (or anywhere else), but I heard that some of them did offer sex, but you had to know them personally.[/QUOTE]There are nuances, some do not offer any sexual services, some offer Lingam massages which is an oily hand job and then there are a few that offer full service, you should be able to see what's available on their web site. If a massage has full service then I recall hearing that there are additional taxes paid so that's why it won't be available in many.

Massage parlors are seedy and grungy. I can't imagine having to visit them in Frankfurt when they have lovely FKKs in the vicinity and where you could get a suck and then fuck a lovely 20 year old for 50 E. I also can't imagine visiting a MP just for a hand job. Sounds yucky to me. I would probably not visit these places in a place like Frankfurt even if they gave it to me for free.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2450112]Austria may reopen paid sex on July. Vienna is wonderful town to visit and what a speed run through Germany, to warm tires. Wish for YY NL reopening on September.[/QUOTE]As far as I know there is no plan for YY to re-open, I think it belongs to the past. Do you have any special info to share?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2450202]Massage parlors are seedy and grungy. I can't imagine having to visit them in Frankfurt when they have lovely FKKs in the vicinity and where you could get a suck and then fuck a lovely 20 year old for 50 E. I also can't imagine visiting a MP just for a hand job. Sounds yucky to me. I would probably not visit these places in a place like Frankfurt even if they gave it to me for free.[/QUOTE]+1, disgusting for me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2449923]FKK's should consider turning themselves in to strip clubs for now. Contactless performance with limited number of patrons. I would gladly go to take my mind off things.

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In fact it depends on the level of risk you are willing to take. Less contacts less risks to get infected. I checked how long the virus can survive on your clothes, a glass, a door handle, a desk, a table. It is just terrible probably it can survive several days on some metallic parts. Personally I have reduced to the strict minimum all my contacts, when I go shopping I wash all my things and don t touch them for several days. I consider dating prostitutes in brothels. Is at very high risk and I don t want to take any just for 1 minute of pleasure. Also I don t go to any bar, restaurant. This virus is extremely aggressive, most of the girls have no choice or don t want to consider another life and probably a big majority will come back in FKK as soon as possible to get fucked 10 times or more every day just to support their pimps, boy friends, husband. I have the choice therefor I will not visit any prostitute before long long time.[/QUOTE]Expat,

You are right about danger of infection. Covid virus survives in the air for hours. Close, confined spaces will concentrate the viral load attacking your immune system. It is best to wait until everyone can get the antibody test. If you get the virus (asymptotic) and later test positive for antibodies, then you are free to frolic with Ro again. Until then, play it safe, stay home.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2450111]I have never been to any massage parlor in Germany (or anywhere else), but I heard that some of them did offer sex, but you had to know them personally.[/QUOTE]Yes, correct. In Frankfurt, there some clean and spacious parlours. Kaskade and Velvet, for example are well run. Girls you have frequently patronised will agree to sex if you ask. Another nice one, called Pam's lounge used to be the same, but last year, they obtained a sex licence, and girls then openly offered it, for a costlier package.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2450202]Massage parlors are seedy and grungy. I can't imagine having to visit them in Frankfurt when they have lovely FKKs in the vicinity and where you could get a suck and then fuck a lovely 20 year old for 50 E. I also can't imagine visiting a MP just for a hand job. Sounds yucky to me. I would probably not visit these places in a place like Frankfurt even if they gave it to me for free.[/QUOTE]I never understand why some people go to massage parlor or red light district when there are such a good platform like FKK.

Maybe lack of knowledge, lazy or for bit cheaper price maybe. But satisfaction levels are much higher in FKK if they are seeking for ultimate sex experiences.

It is most wonderful feeling to see girls in front of you and choose to your liking real time. You can select this and that even two girls and tell them to suck your dick side ways at same time, one licking your ass or whatever, you can choose and do what you want in FKK, this is wonderful thing for heterosexual men who always want more and more new young beautiful girls.

Once you pop FKK, you cannot stop. Pringle ad slogan should have been for FKK.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2450231]... Kaskade and Velvet, for example are well run .... Pam's lounge used to be the same, but last year, they obtained a sex licence, and girls then openly offered it, for a costlier package.[/QUOTE]At Pam's you can see an information plate fixed somewhat hidden on the inside of the door of each room or on the wall where the mandatory use of condoms in case of some special features is mentioned. Thus there can be more but not only massage.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2450189]I wonder if any FKK girls .... turned to Seeking Arrangement .... sugar baby websites .... as way of earning money?[/QUOTE]In case their business model is based on different pillars there could be a bunch of ideas.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2450202]Massage parlours are seedy and grungy.[/QUOTE]The ones I go to are nothing like that. They are usually pleasant studios with fairly pretty, slightly older women. But this all about being pampered with a high quality, very sensual massage with a slip and slide that will finish with an intense oily handjob orgasm. It's more of an experience and not a quick fuck so I go for the two hour sessions.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2450368]The ones I go to are nothing like that. They are usually pleasant studios with fairly pretty, slightly older women. But this all about being pampered with a high quality, very sensual massage with a slip and slide that will finish with an intense oily handjob orgasm. It's more of an experience and not a quick fuck so I go for the two hour sessions.[/QUOTE]Not quite in Germany, but the Yu&Mi massage parlor in Eindhoven is quite nice. They offer several types of massage.

[URL]https://www.yumi.nl/massages/[/URL]

And I always left happy. At a point, they had a rather skilled S&M provider. Nothing like being masked up, in several compromising situations, and having the door window opened up so clients arriving or leaving can get a glimpse of your debauchery.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2450199] there are a few that offer full service, you should be able to see what's available on their web site. If a massage has full service then I recall hearing that there are additional taxes paid so that's why it won't be available in many.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2450349]At Pam's you can see an information plate fixed somewhat hidden on the inside of the door of each room or on the wall where the mandatory use of condoms in case of some special features is mentioned. Thus there can be more but not only massage.[/QUOTE]As TankTank123 indicated, these places are actually not massage parlors by government registration. They are brothels with brothel licence which also offer massage service besides sex. I think that this kind of place is not allowed to reopen in NRW and Hessen now.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2450381]... these places are actually not massage parlors by government registration. They are brothels with brothel licence ... not allowed to reopen in NRW and Hessen now.[/QUOTE]Since July 2017 all these locations are qualified as paysex locations by law as a handjob is also part of the bunch of paysex. That's not news but common sense and known since then. Nonetheless the client isn't compelled to have sexual intercourse but is free to enjoy a massage with or without handjob. You've never been in one of these parlors in Germany, but perhaps it would have been instructive for you in a certain way doing that.

The following newspaper article (keyword: Gastgewerbe) highlights that all brothellike entities have a further lockdown lasting at least until June, 5.
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/lockerungen-der-corona-regeln-in-hessen-was-erlaubt-ist-16763549.html

Hopefully they will stick to June 5 for reopening or sooner. Wonder when they will let Americans into Germany?

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2450417]Since July 2017 all these locations are qualified as paysex locations by law as a handjob is also part of the bunch of paysex. That's not news but common sense and known since then. Nonetheless the client isn't compelled to have sexual intercourse but is free to enjoy a massage with or without handjob. You've never been in one of these parlors in Germany, but perhaps it would have been instructive for you in a certain way doing that.

The following newspaper article (keyword: Gastgewerbe) highlights that all brothellike entities have a further lockdown lasting at least until June, 5.
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/lockerungen-der-corona-regeln-in-hessen-was-erlaubt-ist-16763549.html[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2450417]Since July 2017 all these locations are qualified as paysex locations by law as a handjob is also part of the bunch of paysex. That's not news but common sense and known since then. Nonetheless the client isn't compelled to have sexual intercourse but is free to enjoy a massage with or without handjob. You've never been in one of these parlors in Germany, but perhaps it would have been instructive for you in a certain way doing that.

[/QUOTE]What did I say wrong? If I understand you correctly, we both agree that Pam's and "a few that offer full service" belong to paysex establishment, therefore they must have brothel licence and they are not massage parlors by government registration.

By the way, even though I haven't been to any massage parlor in Germany, I read Rheinforum everyday and know them from other posters on Rheinforum.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2450439]Hopefully they will stick to June 5 for reopening or sooner. Wonder when they will let Americans into Germany?[/QUOTE]The actual German article seems to translate to "until further notice (with June 5 being earliest)".

[QUOTE=MrHo;2450273]I never understand why some people go to massage parlor or red light district when there are such a good platform like FKK. ...
Maybe lack of knowledge, lazy or for bit cheaper price maybe. But satisfaction levels are much higher in FKK if they are seeking for ultimate sex experiences.
[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you that FKKs are better. However, when I have only 1 hour to spare, say at lunchtime, I go to one of those clean spacious massage parlours I mentioned to pop. I phone up ahead of time to book my desired girl. And with my regulars there, I do get my 'ultimate sex experience'.

While SYTs are generally not available, they do have a few pretty girls in their late 20's or early 30's.

It costs €100 for 1 hour erotic massage, and for those who offer it, €50 more for covered sex. So, if only 1 hour free time is available, it would cost about the same as going to an FKK. (No food provided, but then, also no transport cost as I can walk to them.).

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2450506]I totally agree with you that FKKs are better. However, when I have only 1 hour to spare, say at lunchtime, I go to one of those clean spacious massage parlours I mentioned to pop. I phone up ahead of time to book my desired girl. And with my regulars there, I do get my 'ultimate sex experience'.

While SYTs are generally not available, they do have a few pretty girls in their late 20's or early 30's.

It costs 100 for 1 hour erotic massage, and for those who offer it, 50 more for covered sex. So, if only 1 hour free time is available, it would cost about the same as going to an FKK. (No food provided, but then, also no transport cost as I can walk to them.).[/QUOTE]Right, where about can be the reason and also with massage parlor I imagine time is more accurate and punctual where as FKK girls can be late for 10 minutes etc. And if you talking lunch break as you mentioned, that 10 or 15 min delay can hold you back to go because it could lead you to be mentally rush and it is not good feeling to be rush.

But I would say avoid lunch time to go though, but if you are married, when are other time you can safely escape from your wife with good alibi like I went to lunch, which is half true LOL.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2450439]Hopefully they will stick to June 5 for reopening or sooner. Wonder when they will let Americans into Germany?[/QUOTE]On 17 March 2020, Federal Minister Seehofer ordered extensive restrictions on entry at Germany's external Schengen borders in order to contain the spread of the coronavirus. These restrictions are based on a communication of the European Commission supported by the heads of state and government of the EU member states. The restrictions apply to international aviation and maritime traffic originating outside the European Union until [B]15 May 2020[/B].

[URL]https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/civil-protection/coronavirus/coronavirus-faqs.html[/URL]#doc13797140 bodyText3.

It will most likely be prolonged another 30 days.

Personal preferences and needs (time, discretion, all-in-one-package in entry fee, horny atmosphere of a club vs a kind of exclusivity in an apartment.) determine where to go. Same for choice between body massage or date with immediate sexual features. In my personal point of view it's better not to compare clubs (even the small ones) with one2one dates. Being convinced and attracted more by clubs a visit or date in massage parlor / apartment merely provides the same degree of full satisfaction because I enjoy the time in clubs in advance and after the room service having a chat with other guys but also with girls.

Being residential in Frankfurt I regularly pass by the building where Pam's is located. Sometimes you can see girls smoking in the area in front of the entrance area. Not all of them look really nice although the photos may promise beauties. That's why when there is time enough to have the so-called what you see is what you get impression over more than only some seconds in a presentation show in apartments / parlors I always prefer the ride to a club where a delay by the girl of 15 minutes or half an hour isn't a problem for me (by the way also girls sometimes have to wait as their dated guy doesn't show up in time in the club without apologizing and therefore some girls have also waste time they don't know how to handle with when there is another guy who also would be interested to fill that spare time).

[QUOTE=Mr Ho;2450513] ... with massage parlor I imagine time is more accurate and punctual where as FKK girls can be ... lunch time ...[/QUOTE] As you mentioned in rush hour periods such as lunch time it might happen that you get run out of clock as sometimes an unexpected flow of customers is facing more girls than rooms available or the massage woman with whom you've even a date fixed arranged some hours or the day before is requested by another customer coming around by chance and now the conflict between money making and overlapping of time might arise. This kind of mentally rush destroys the atmosphere as you feel like in a waiting hall of the train station even though it often only takes a few minutes. That's why I always ask in advance by phone or date messenger of the parlor to propose me a slot without such a coincidence (ok, that also needs my flexibility, but in Pam's it works always perfect and not only as a regular guest).

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2450506]... when I have only 1 hour to spare .... go to ... massage parlours .... I phone up ahead ... my regulars there .... While SYTs not available, they do have a few pretty girls ...[/QUOTE] That's the example for a personal fit between determined choice and a certain degree of flexibility.

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2450573]Personal preferences and needs (time, discretion, all-in-one-package in entry fee, horny atmosphere of a club vs a kind of exclusivity in an apartment.) determine where to go. Same for choice between body massage or date with immediate sexual features. In my personal point of view it's better not to compare clubs (even the small ones) with one2one dates. Being convinced and attracted more by clubs a visit or date in massage parlor / apartment merely provides the same degree of full satisfaction because I enjoy the time in clubs in advance and after the room service having a chat with other guys but also with girls.

Being residential in Frankfurt I regularly pass by the building where Pam's is located. Sometimes you can see girls smoking in the area in front of the entrance area. Not all of them look really nice although the photos may promise beauties. That's why when there is time enough to have the so-called what you see is what you get impression over more than only some seconds in a presentation show in apartments / parlors I always prefer the ride to a club where a delay by the girl of 15 minutes or half an hour isn't a problem for me (by the way also girls sometimes have to wait as their dated guy doesn't show up in time in the club without apologizing and therefore some girls have also waste time they don't know how to handle with when there is another guy who also would be interested to fill that spare time)..[/QUOTE]As fly in monger, I stick to FKK only, but since palace is rather night shit club, and I have done tourism staff already, I am out of activities during the day in Frankfurt, so massage places can be used just for real massage, but at night I will be busy sitting down hunting for stunner to walk in from changing room. Well, one can always use massage service at palace too. Palace is too hard club to stay all day though, no outside place and limited spa area.

I checked out some of massage parlors you mentioned on internet, girls working there seems like former or current FKK girls by looking at some of their tattoo patterns, it is funny it is like gang movie, I can see pattern of tattoo you often see in FKK land to identify FKK girls even outside LOL!

Until vaccines become available next year, I wonder whether this business will ever be the same any more.

[QUOTE=Presario1626;2450892]Until vaccines become available next year, I wonder whether this business will ever be the same any more.[/QUOTE]It will just like after new BBBJ law when we thought no more BBBJ, we still got it same with little extra cost most of time, so after corona, girls in FKK will be just charging mongers extra for non disinfection touching session LOL, you don't pay that you don't touch LOL!

It will be back to normal soon or later like we human semi-forget about most events that happen.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2451197]It will just like after new BBBJ law when we thought no more BBBJ, we still got it same with little extra cost most of time, so after corona, girls in FKK will be just charging mongers extra for non disinfection touching session LOL, you don't pay that you don't touch LOL!

It will be back to normal soon or later like we human semi-forget about most events that happen.[/QUOTE]A max of 300 Euros for an hour of sex with BBBJ / CIM, pussy licking and fucking, getting my nuts sucked, and butt fucking is enough money! I'm not paying any more than that! If these tutes want more, the hell with them! I can just go to Zurich then LOL! This shit is getting too expensive for a monger!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2451197]It will just like after new BBBJ law when we thought no more BBBJ, we still got it same with little extra cost most of time, so after corona, girls in FKK will be just charging mongers extra for non disinfection touching session LOL, you don't pay that you don't touch LOL............[/QUOTE]Stop giving the girls ideas.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2451204]A max of 300 Euros for an hour of sex with BBBJ / CIM, pussy licking and fucking, getting my nuts sucked, and butt fucking is enough money! I'm not paying any more than that! If these tutes want more, the hell with them! I can just go to Zurich then LOL! This shit is getting too expensive for a monger![/QUOTE]For each crisis for mongers, tutes will use it against us LOL! But we mongers will find the way in to our promised land called her anal, mouth and pussy LOL! One way or another LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2451209]Stop giving the girls ideas.[/QUOTE]If girls are reading this, I am going to fuck you in ass, pussy and mouth one way or another LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2451220]If girls are reading this, I am going to fuck you in ass, pussy and mouth one way or another LOL![/QUOTE]Banzai! Banzai! Anal banzai! Hahahahaha!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2451223]Banzai! Banzai! Anal banzai! Hahahahaha![/QUOTE]Mongers will always crawl no matter how strong the wind blowing against us, banzai prostitute fuckers and prostitute hunters around globe LOL!

We be putting our penis into her mouth, pussy and anal, stay put and survive and hey be sure to save that paper as girls will want that paper of yours LOL!

We want to stick our penis in her, and she want our cash out of our FKK safe box LOL! The balance is the key, if not just go to Globe where the service money balance is set global standard LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2451209]Stop giving the girls ideas.[/QUOTE]Maybe some rich guys will be available to pay extras without any problem, but some. Most of the mongers around the world now are unemployed or earning less. The recession can last even after getting the vaccine. Many of FKK girls can do everything for money, but also several will want to take care of themselves in general. If they get sick, there is no money. We will all have to live with some fear for certain time, whether we want to or not Honestly, I don't think our FKK land in Germany have Zurich rates in near future.

[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2451290]... FKK girls ... several .... take care ... get sick, there is no money .... to live with some fear for certain time ....[/QUOTE]Sometimes you may got the notion that STD over the last decades weren't without importance but now a virus changes the approach completely?

Sometimes you may got the notion that STD over the last decades weren't without importance but now a virus changes the approach completely?

I think it was much more easier to protect against STD than the covid 19. STD you know what to do to be safe but covid19 it is far more difficult for me, even a lot of nurses and doctors catch the virus. Let us imagine a girl has some virus on her hair or phone (the virus could survive several hours or days) you touch her hair, or she put some virus on your bed sheet, or she just put her phone on the desk and later you touch the desk and your eyes.

[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2451290]Maybe some rich guys will be available to pay extras without any problem, but some. Most of the mongers around the world now are unemployed or earning less. The recession can last even after getting the vaccine. Many of FKK girls can do everything for money, but also several will want to take care of themselves in general. If they get sick, there is no money. We will all have to live with some fear for certain time, whether we want to or not Honestly, I don't think our FKK land in Germany have Zurich rates in near future.[/QUOTE]Just print out the photo of your favorite FKK entrance from internet, nicely frame it, put that photo on the wall of your office, then look at it every morning with Rocky balboa music, then you will be oligarch in no time, but it is not Adrian for you, it is FKK ! Eye of tiger for future prostitute hunting in FKK LOL! Eyes of tiger LOL!

That sounds fair.

In my early years, I once spent that amount on a 3 hour Hi-end escort in Dusseldorf as a birthday gift to myself. It was 25% of my salary then. Probably it will cost 600 Euro now.

But it's a classier option with wining, dining & everything that you mentioned. If WG's get any more expensive, I would go back these Hi-end birds. At least you can show them around before fucking them. And they are good in their service.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2451204]A max of 300 Euros for an hour of sex with BBBJ / CIM, pussy licking and fucking, getting my nuts sucked, and butt fucking is enough money! I'm not paying any more than that! If these tutes want more, the hell with them! I can just go to Zurich then LOL! This shit is getting too expensive for a monger![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2451204]A max of 300 Euros for an hour of sex with BBBJ / CIM, pussy licking and fucking, getting my nuts sucked, and butt fucking is enough money! I'm not paying any more than that! If these tutes want more, the hell with them! I can just go to Zurich then LOL! This shit is getting too expensive for a monger![/QUOTE]In Germany, except Hamburg and Artemis, or NL, 1 hour is 100 including kissing, foreplay, DATY, many FKK girls like Olga again yesterday are polite and say thank you, rubbing clit on tongue, helping to get pleasure, when they feel they can have, most can t resist, this is a interesting woman part and then telling: now your turn for pleasure with natural BJ, then sex, this is my standard as a poor french guy who have to sleep in car. New car is not performing enough as I would like, even I prepared for maximum power for engine and very hard for balance for maximum grip, but now became really violent on the limit and quattro is less easy to feel when on the edge of grip than xdrive, but driver seat is a good bed to make recover back and good office to work. In NRW, CIM is usually 25/30 but I prefer to fuck and anal is 50 but no girls propose for my size when already many small pussies. In NRW and Hessen, my standard for full GFE is 1 hour for 100, but when I find a exceptional girl for beauty and sensuality, I will be so happy to take all my time to enjoy with her and usually extend to 1h30 to taste her everywhere for 150. Enjoyable and relaxing FKK day will be between 250 and 365 € with 2 rooms and entry with breakfast, lunch, diner, I wonder how I don't get fat, when I eat about 5 times, from noon to midnight in clubs. I remember one preparing me a sandwich at LR when we finished after pizza was finished. When I have a weekly girl or find a great discovery, then Christmas time for me and I like to repeat, having sometimes 4 rooms with her on week end, like with Rachel. De GT, Madi World even having sometimes 3 rooms on Saturday with her being her only client, and with my Eve at LR.

I loved polizei controls twice at LR, then all guys ran away and with my balls, I had her full free for me and she was happy to get 300 for our 3 hours for our 2 rooms, putting her hair as I liked when she had only me. At least, our last time was also great on 6 October 2017 when she was free whole afternoon from her start to 9 pm for me, with our weekly enjoyable rooms, but when I returned on 12 October, she told: I didn't know you would come on Thursday evening, but she was not anymore interesting, even when she came when starting on Friday and also on next Friday, but when I tried as much I could, returned for 3 times when I never returned to any girl before her, but desire to make drive so much, became no more desire as I told her about her: You don't like me anymore. For record, I had great visits at Gold for only 105 € for entry 25 with eatable foods, I have no competition for pork at Gold, I have all pork for me at night, best very hot chocolate at Gold and Velbert, GT and LR can t compete, lovely desk at Gold and found a cute with lightning smile and so beautiful very white teeth, she was so lost on our discovery, but Globe level after except for shower together at Globe, but for only 80€ for 1 hour with a real woman for reactions in bed. Unfortunately other girls were jealous about her, like about Daniela at LR. Because she told me she needed money, but she never asked me, but I didn't ask her contact because I was afraid she could ask me, my mistake, when my girls don t ask me, I think they prefer I return to them to value them, when they never experienced same manners elsewhere, even in private. In Austria, 140/ h, had 6 1 hour rooms with exceptional Lena. Ro Wellcum on August 2017, only her, she waited for about 30 mn because she wanted we got a nice room on Ferragosto party, other girls didn't understand why she didn't take free key. Drove so much between her and Zoncolan, she might think I was really crazy when I explained her I must not cum before climbing. A good day at Globe is 480/610 € with 2 45 mn or 1 hour rooms. At Freubad North Bern can be for 340 €, at Amesia for around 420 €. I don t pay for extra, just for time. I don t need CIM nor anal nor paying to have my ass washed, my best sex is the closest I had with my real life girlfriends, with image of a woman in my eyes and mind. I don t need to play porn harder.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2451312]Sometimes you may got the notion that STD over the last decades weren't without importance but now a virus changes the approach completely?

I think it was much more easier to protect against STD than the covid 19. STD you know what to do to be safe but covid19 it is far more difficult for me, even a lot of nurses and doctors catch the virus. Let us imagine a girl has some virus on her hair or phone (the virus could survive several hours or days) you touch her hair, or she put some virus on your bed sheet, or she just put her phone on the desk and later you touch the desk and your eyes.[/QUOTE]Just like with new BBBJ law in summer 2017, FKK will be back to as it was soon or later. There will be some measures at the beginning, but after while, it will be as it was because human will forget and corona as it is formed today will be just another old news headline.

BBBJ law was even worst because there was actual penalty for violating it, but thankfully it is impossible to control and girls in FKK aka prostitutes just care about money especially the romanian ones who does everything much more easily with lower cost than other races in FKK.

It is fun to joke about corona, exaggerate it and so on, but seriously speaking, corona as it is formed now will be another old news headline soon or later and FKK will be back to as it was. Feminist and affects they have in Parliament is more threat to mongers than virus in near future.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2451209]Stop giving the girls ideas.[/QUOTE]Very true. LOL! I kinda had the idea that the entire extra charge for BBBJ was started after the girls had read about it here on the forum.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2450589]As fly in monger, I stick to FKK only, but since palace is rather night shit club, and I have done tourism staff already, I am out of activities during the day in Frankfurt, so massage places can be used just for real massage, but at night I will be busy sitting down hunting for stunner to walk in from changing room. Well, one can always use massage service at palace too. Palace is too hard club to stay all day though, no outside place and limited spa area.

I checked out some of massage parlors you mentioned on internet, girls working there seems like former or current FKK girls by looking at some of their tattoo patterns, it is funny it is like gang movie, I can see pattern of tattoo you often see in FKK land to identify FKK girls even outside LOL![/QUOTE]Oase is a really good 19 HR club. Sharks too to a lesser extent, but Oase has more variation in activities. Have you never been to Oase?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2451664]Oase is a really good 19 HR club. Sharks too to a lesser extent, but Oase has more variation in activities. Have you never been to Oase?[/QUOTE]Yes, Oase I have been to, but only once and as I mentioned before I took two girls there, and one of them was the only bad session I had in FKK, maybe because I did not buy into upsell, though I did goto one hour session for 100 euro with her, she was tanned Hungarian stunner and she kissed and everything, but somehow it was not good comparison to other sessions in FKK, this is only session I was not happy with in FKK through out 10 years. Other girls was good in bed and were both stunners.

Beside criticism, I liked food in Oase, pasta dishes were more or less decent, I mean how bad can you go with pasta and coffee was really good Italian roast coffee, and I liked stationed myself at downstairs at kitchen because it was easy comfy place for me to hunt girls coming out of changing room which was kitchen door. I only took two girls in Oase, and I remember it was last time I saw Nika, one of the abdel girl the last time in my life (I never went with nika, but she was always nice to me since her Artemis days), and garden area was good with bit of roman empire touch, but I always stick to palace and never went back to Oase, but I will give another try during day till like 5 pm at Oase, then if it is not good, I just go to palace at around 6 pm for night shift of palace.

Oase can be like my Ocean use in NRW, if LR or GT fails me with line up, which was very often, then I always went to oceans to hit night shift of oceans as ocean is night shift club and LR and GT are rather day shift club and Oceans night shift always offered my one or two stunners, and even it looks like oceans always fail me with lineup, I always found Eleny the mutual girl we both know LOL. She was most of time only stunner in lineup in oceans, but there to save my day or no session in nrw. Somehow NRW never astonished me with line up or I have too selective LOL. In most FKK, I spend most of time waiting and selecting till stunners walks in, which is all day lately. I miss Artemis line up between 2009 till 2014 ish.

Sharks never worked for me, I have been there about 5 times, I kept on trying as it is big clubs with big line up, but I only recall going with two girls who were stunners, the service level was high like nrw clubs, but I still stick to upsell palace in Hessen LOL!

Palace, Artemis and globe seems to work for me the best and oceans, but with oceans with only one to two stunners, so it is risky place for me to go because many time, if Eleny was not there, I would be just no session monger for the day LOL!

German with lots of tattles and big silicons Nika was still at Oase on 14 March. She seems friendly but I can t go with her because I don t see a woman, I don t go when I'm not able to see a woman, I prefer to stop even sometimes difficult and frustrating, when I can t see anymore. But Oase was highest level for looks for me on 2019, higher than Globe, Aphrodisia, prettier faces than at Sharks, had 2 wow and some beauties. I like Oase for club even I lost my friend moody yellow cat, now I will sleep alone. Best garden to play football, great bubbles for girls clit in outside swimming pool. Most beautiful garden are World and Vanila ex Vertigo.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2451717].... in Oase .... coffee was really good Italian roast coffee[/QUOTE]Nowadays bold roasted Italian 100% Arabica Italian coffee isn't expensive anymore (I suppose even a bargain deal buying volumes as a club needs) but in some clubs coffee is really disgusting. In Finca they were always convinced that a cappuccino needs this chocolate powder as topping but the coffee there always smells like an instant product. In Samya some girls really know how to handle the Italian coffee machine in order to make a great coffee.

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2451800]Nowadays bold roasted Italian 100% Arabica Italian coffee isn't expensive anymore (I suppose even a bargain deal buying volumes as a club needs) but in some clubs coffee is really disgusting. In Finca they were always convinced that a cappuccino needs this chocolate powder as topping but the coffee there always smells like an instant product. In Samya some girls really know how to handle the Italian coffee machine in order to make a great coffee.[/QUOTE]Not where I live buddy, I pay about 9 usd for my lavazza coffee powder for home, which is not highest brand name as let say Illy coffee etc LOL.

I love roasted heavy Italian espresso, but with milk, so let it be Italian capuccino.

But hey, most FKK coffee machine is one touch you get coffee you want style LOL! In palace it is like that and it is often broken, well one of them is LOL!

In Oase, down stairs in resty where second bar is, it was still old school machine I remember, you make coffee, you steam boil the milk then make cappuccino manually, I enjoyed not free pizza there, free pasta and also capuccino after I was done with session and then went off to my beloved palace after, good fun memory to cherish during corona lock down LOL!

I tried to quit coffee once due to caffeine, but nothing beat good Italian roasted coffee in the morning and also after good meal, so now I drink Lavazza decaffeine powder at home and usually I make cafe au lait using french press, I keep it old school during the era of nespresso machines in most high tech nation Japan LOL!

I can't get over the feeling of paradise lost. Did it really happen? Did I really get to hang out with dozens of nude women and then get to choose which ones to have sex with? Will it ever be the same?

Makes me want to break into song.

'Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment that was known as Cumalot'.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2451663]Very true. LOL! I kinda had the idea that the entire extra charge for BBBJ was started after the girls had read about it here on the forum.[/QUOTE]Many girls do read the forum. Some girls are so clever that they can piece together observations and identify who made certain posts. I once commented on the breast enhancement of a particular girl and on my next visit she looked at me and jiggled her breasts. Coincidence? Some years ago a girl actually responded on the Sharks thread to a post made about her by a monger.

[quote]Many girls do read the forum. Some girls are so clever that they can piece together observations and identify who made certain posts. I once commented on the breast enhancement of a particular girl and on my next visit she looked at me and jiggled her breasts. Coincidence? Some years ago a girl actually responded on the Sharks thread to a post made about her by a monger.[/quote]Sorry I don't agree with you, I know some of you just because you told me your ISG name during a sauna. But nobody knows who I am and it is so much better like this.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2451883]Many girls do read the forum. Some girls are so clever that they can piece together observations and identify who made certain posts. I once commented on the breast enhancement of a particular girl and on my next visit she looked at me and jiggled her breasts. Coincidence? Some years ago a girl actually responded on the Sharks thread to a post made about her by a monger.[/QUOTE]LOL! I would love to read that!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2451883]Many girls do read the forum. Some girls are so clever that they can piece together observations and identify who made certain posts. I once commented on the breast enhancement of a particular girl and on my next visit she looked at me and jiggled her breasts. Coincidence? Some years ago a girl actually responded on the Sharks thread to a post made about her by a monger.[/QUOTE]Yes, so many, at LR, Sharks, Oase, Gold, and so many guys tell girls what we write, or girls telling to other girls. This is FKK land of jealousy. Yes Ester didn't improve her look. Small Carla with natural tits at Oase told me very angry in lounge she didn't like I wrote I find she has frog face, a bit less now. Jane at LR was so mad I wrote I never noticed her, which was true when I visited LR weekly, most often twice on week end and never gave her a look, so couldn't notice with such look and total lack of charm and elegance, just tall but not sexy for me and very average face.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2451782]German with lots of tattles and big silicons Nika was still at Oase on 14 March. She seems friendly but I can t go with her because I don t see a woman, I don t go when I'm not able to see a woman, I prefer to stop even sometimes difficult and frustrating, when I can t see anymore. But Oase was highest level for looks for me on 2019, higher than Globe, Aphrodisia, prettier faces than at Sharks, had 2 wow and some beauties. I like Oase for club even I lost my friend moody yellow cat, now I will sleep alone. Best garden to play football, great bubbles for girls clit in outside swimming pool. Most beautiful garden are World and Vanila ex Vertigo.[/QUOTE]Full of tattles and not natural face German Nika.

Nice rhyme.

The point is that we get to live like Sultans in a harem of beautiful naked women we enjoy, and lounge around resting. One thing the FKK's could do is have more massage staff and better rates, perhaps some Thais, as that invigorates. If they had one on good ski slopes or a surf beach, life would be wonderful. Still, one cannot have it all.

Yeah, it is paradise lost of sorts, a good reminder of Joni Mitchell in 1970, "Big Yellow Taxi" I'll slightly adapt:

We had our FKK paradise.
With a pink hotel, a boutique.
And a swinging hot spot.
And now it closed because Cooo-vid ohhh.
Don't it always seem to go.
That you don't know what you've got.
Till it's gone.
They close paradise.
And put up a covid sign.
They took all the girls.
And put them in a covid museum.
And they charged the people.
A dollar and a half per minute just to see 'them livestream.
When we used to have them for 50 euros, oooohhhhh.

CHORUS.

That you don't know what you've got.
Till it's gone.
They close paradise.
And put up a covid sign.
Ooooohhh lal la la ooooohh.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2452011]Nice rhyme.

The point is that we get to live like Sultans in a harem of beautiful naked women we enjoy, and lounge around resting. One thing the FKK's could do is have more massage staff and better rates, perhaps some Thais, as that invigorates. If they had one on good ski slopes or a surf beach, life would be wonderful. Still, one cannot have it all.

Yeah, it is paradise lost of sorts, a good reminder of Joni Mitchell in 1970, "Big Yellow Taxi" I'll slightly adapt:

We had our FKK paradise.
With a pink hotel, a boutique.
And a swinging hot spot.
And now it closed because Cooo-vid ohhh.
Don't it always seem to go.
That you don't know what you've got.
Till it's gone..[/QUOTE]Outtro:

And after corona, I met a FKK girl in FKK and her name was "corona" LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2451904]Sorry I don't agree with you, I know some of you just because you told me your ISG name during a sauna. But nobody knows who I am and it is so much better like this.[/QUOTE]I hardly talk to guys when I am in FKK so no mongers know me. Also I do not tell girls my ISG handle. However, when I visit Germany I stay 3 months at a time and go to FKKs almost every day. The girls are very intelligent and know which girls regular guys talk to and go with so they can piece together information to know who is writing about which girl especially if done often. If you go to FKK once per fortnight or once per month nobody will know who you are.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2451904]But nobody knows who I am and it is so much better like this.[/QUOTE]You got that right! I have been around mongers who regularly post on this site, but they didn't know who I was hehehe, and I plan to keep it that way for the time being. Now, I tried traveling with a wing man one time, and boy was that a disaster! Like babysitting a grown ass man! I thought his Spanish skills were better, but it was like he wanted to use me as some kind of interpreter or something, ruining my quality "rap time" with the ladies. Digging in his nose and shit and scaring the girls away! Then he turned around and got stumbling drunk one night, and I had to get his walrus ass back to his hotel lest he be robbed and left for dead. Messed up my mojo so bad that when I got back to the club I couldn't "leche" for one of my favorites, causing her to get upset! Why wasn't I cumming for her as usual? LOL! Never again. Anonymous, lone wolf monger with no wing man to screw my program up! Anonymity. Fame and fortune with your name in big lights is greatly overrated.

The more handles you have on ISG, the less you visit the clubs.

Normally, with a little bit of social skills, you realize that you cannot write everything that's on your mind because it can be terribly rude for the girls. You're disappointed with a girl, you keep it to yourself and you don't thrash her ad nauseam. If you don't like a club, you don't talk shit about it constantly unless you want to be banned. Especially when you visit the club every 2 weeks!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2452011]Nice rhyme.

The point is that we get to live like Sultans in a harem of beautiful naked women we enjoy, and lounge around resting. One thing the FKK's could do is have more massage staff and better rates, perhaps some Thais, as that invigorates. [/QUOTE]No, not Thai's, but Vietnamese! If you ever visit the top Macau Saunas, you will know what I mean. They have some excellent technique in what is known as 'thigh' massage. Much better than the common 'Thai' massage LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452110]I hardly talk to guys when I am in FKK so no mongers know me. Also I do not tell girls my ISG handle. However, when I visit Germany I stay 3 months at a time and go to FKKs almost every day. The girls are very intelligent and know which girls regular guys talk to and go with so they can piece together information to know who is writing about which girl especially if done often. If you go to FKK once per fortnight or once per month nobody will know who you are.[/QUOTE]Wow. Attending FKKs daily for 3 months. Your stamina is amazing, either you are very young or you seem to be an iron man! Either way, quite impressive.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452113]You got that right! I have been around mongers who regularly post on this site, but they didn't know who I was hehehe, and I plan to keep it that way for the time being. Now, I tried traveling with a wing man one time, and boy was that a disaster! Like babysitting a grown ass man! I thought his Spanish skills were better, but it was like he wanted to use me as some kind of interpreter or something, ruining my quality "rap time" with the ladies. Digging in his nose and shit and scaring the girls away! Then he turned around and got stumbling drunk one night, and I had to get his walrus ass back to his hotel lest he be robbed and left for dead. Messed up my mojo so bad that when I got back to the club I couldn't "leche" for one of my favorites, causing her to get upset! Why wasn't I cumming for her as usual? LOL! Never again. Anonymous, lone wolf monger with no wing man to screw my program up! Anonymity. Fame and fortune with your name in big lights is greatly overrated.[/QUOTE]I have always been a lone wolf in the clubs, so I agree with this. I do see guys coming together and it seems like it works for them. Obviously, many locals. But Asians too always seem to be coming in with their pals. I don't know if that is because they are nervous about attending alone, or if they enjoy the company, or what? But I have and't shared about my fuck related activities with anyone I know since college. When you are into middle age years and respectable in society, you don't confess about your mongering escapades with anyone. In that sense, this forum has been a good vent for a year now.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452110]I hardly talk to guys when I am in FKK so no mongers know me. Also I do not tell girls my ISG handle. However, when I visit Germany I stay 3 months at a time and go to FKKs almost every day. The girls are very intelligent and know which girls regular guys talk to and go with so they can piece together information to know who is writing about which girl especially if done often. If you go to FKK once per fortnight or once per month nobody will know who you are.[/QUOTE]You find WGs intelligent? I don't. Highest educated or clever Germans or Romanians work normal job, not in brothels, even they make less money, but matter of image and self esteem of yourself.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2452131]Wow. Attending FKKs daily for 3 months. Your stamina is amazing, either you are very young or you seem to be an iron man! Either way, quite impressive.[/QUOTE]I average 5 or 6 times per week with an equal number of pops. Hardly an iron man, on this board there are guys doing 3 pops per day on a regular basis. However, I think I'm doing good for a sixty-something.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452113]............. Messed up my mojo so bad that when I got back to the club I couldn't "leche" for one of my favorites, causing her to get upset! Why wasn't I cumming for her as usual? LOL!.............[/QUOTE]I hope she was not upset because you were taking up her time not climaxing soon enough. I hate it when the Dominicanas tell me "leche papi" which is mildly worse than what I've been hearing recently "cum for me baby".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452224]I hope she was not upset because you were taking up her time not climaxing soon enough. I hate it when the Dominicanas tell me "leche papi" which is mildly worse than what I've been hearing recently "cum for me baby".[/QUOTE]She was upset because she was taking it as a failure upon herself to please me as she had always done before.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452110]I hardly talk to guys when I am in FKK so no mongers know me. Also I do not tell girls my ISG handle. However, when I visit Germany I stay 3 months at a time and go to FKKs almost every day. The girls are very intelligent and know which girls regular guys talk to and go with so they can piece together information to know who is writing about which girl especially if done often. If you go to FKK once per fortnight or once per month nobody will know who you are.[/QUOTE]Max I have done this is 14 consecutive days to artemis and after 3rd or 4th day, I just dragged my self to artemis I was pussied up, it was my glory days when I could do 7 rooms with 7 cums no problem. Now after 3rd or 4th cum, I need cialis to boost me up and it does work perfectly, so even when I am 70's one day, there will be even better solution, the future is looking blight for mongers LOL!

FKK will be back to how it was soon or later, meanwhile I can do escort here, but I am even stopping that for my own safety. Better careful than sorry. I fucked most beautiful girls throughout my life, so I am sexually satisfied and my lust ego is calm, therefore, it is wise to experienced mongers to take this time as mongering ramadan LOL!

Like Arnold would say, "I'll be back" LOL!

Deadly attack at erotic spa in Toronto was 'incel terrorism,' police allege.

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/events/1262815604840398848[/URL]

Does Germany have incels, or is this a North American puritanism kind of thing? You'd think incels would celebrate erotic services if they can't get it any other way.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2452122]The more handles you have on ISG, the less you visit the clubs.

Normally, with a little bit of social skills, you realize that you cannot write everything that's on your mind because it can be terribly rude for the girls. You're disappointed with a girl, you keep it to yourself and you don't thrash her ad nauseam. If you don't like a club, you don't talk shit about it constantly unless you want to be banned. Especially when you visit the club every 2 weeks![/QUOTE]I suspect some guys of having few handle names and post to each different handle names supporting each other, but it is only one person with few handle names. Why? And what for? Is my eternal question LOL!

And there is also a famous poster, who reply to his own post using same handle name, often keep writing about how good FKK prostitutes are only to him because of his good behavior and manner and long distance drive he takes to German FKK every weekend LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2452272]Deadly attack at erotic spa in Toronto was 'incel terrorism,' police allege.

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/events/1262815604840398848[/URL]

Does Germany have incels, or is this a North American puritanism kind of thing? You'd think incels would celebrate erotic services if they can't get it any other way.[/QUOTE]To enter an erotic spa, you need to be accompanied I think. Or they do some gang bang events and if you're an incel, you probably look like a nerd and you're not especially confident with women, so the odds are high that you won't have sex.

In Germany, unless you're totally broke or fucking weird with women, you can enter a sauna club and have a good time.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2452122]The more handles you have on ISG, the less you visit the clubs.

Normally, with a little bit of social skills, you realize that you cannot write everything that's on your mind because it can be terribly rude for the girls. You're disappointed with a girl, you keep it to yourself and you don't thrash her ad nauseam. If you don't like a club, you don't talk shit about it constantly unless you want to be banned. Especially when you visit the club every 2 weeks![/QUOTE]Really funny, but I will always trust more real facts happening some here witnessed, and not only once, but for months, but everybody can be free to think or write from what people are, even always subjective. When will reopen, I plan to go in a new club, maybe GT in wonderful Vienna to ask girls if they have private shower to wash for better hygiene, very important about virus, with virgin image to test if I didn't lose too much skill from lack of training with only 4 escorts meetings for 2 months and half, and no plan to repeat with Russian model Olga on this week end but only Chamonix Mont Blanc, wishing for my run. Girls know they can t compete for this. I remember one on April 2017 saying: You prefer ski than coming to me, Yes sure when she was already not anymore so chic behavior, even LR busy superstar, but I didn't need to run after to get her each time I visited, to start our day together. Same like with Megan at Sharks, or Tamara on June 2018 at Sharks, asking me to take breakfast together, I remember her blue eyes in the sun, then 1 hour room, then telling me: I stop my day, she really did on Saturday, Sunday and next Friday, because she didn't want to go with others. With my 100 , she didn't even pay entry and sleeping, but she felt so bad on this level of business, I didn't even tell her about Globe, a very rare with real aura Romanian exclusive woman type in evening high heel with so sexy walk, not walking like a duck on plastic very high heels. Great experiences.

"One of the wettest we've ever seen, from the standpoint of water".

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2452212]You find WGs intelligent? I don't. Highest educated or clever Germans or Romanians work normal job, not in brothels, even they make less money, but matter of image and self esteem of yourself.[/QUOTE]One thing I always do is to never underestimate people no matter their station in life. Some people need to look down on others which is essentially a defensive need to overcome inferiority.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452390]One thing I always do is to never underestimate people no matter their station in life. Some people need to look down on others which is essentially a defensive need to overcome inferiority.[/QUOTE]You see this way of thinking a lot in FKK world. You got a bunch of guys with money buying the attentions of women.

A lot of those guys made that money with technical skills, and confirmation bias leads them to think that kind of intelligence is the only type of intelligence that matters.

A lot of them lack emotional intelligence, which is why their major interaction with women is via P4 P. But they don't realize if they had emotional intelligence, they might not need to spend so much time and money on P4 P. Or if they had emotional intelligence with technical intelligence they might make even more money.

Meanwhile, the WGs with a lot of emotional intelligence are raking it in and may even outsmart one of these technically intelligent guys into spending tons on her or marrying her, thus consigning his fortune to her.

This is a lesson I often have to remind myself of! It's easy to look down on these girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452390]One thing I always do is to never underestimate people no matter their station in life. Some people need to look down on others which is essentially a defensive need to overcome inferiority.[/QUOTE]Especially when these woman are the only ones paying a little bit of attention to you.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2452272]You'd think incels would celebrate erotic services if they can't get it any other way.[/QUOTE]For the incels that are against WGs, it is more than just the physical act. Their frustration stems from their belief that they are inferior males. They dismissively use the names "Chad" and "Stacy". They want to be Chad, who is able to bang Stacy, the hot white blonde cheerleader, without paying. That would validate their need to feel superior. This need cannot be met from banging a poor village girl who is willing to have sex with any man who has enough money.

While most men accept that they did not hit the genetic lottery of being born a "Chad", incels hold some resentment. They resent the fact that they are not benefactors of the cock carousel: women in their 20's bang the hottest guys for free, women in their 30's settle for a rich guy; women in their 40's divorce, take half of their ex-husband's wealth, and use that wealth to attract and bang young hot guys. So being a monger might remind them that they are the cuck in that whole equation.

According to Reddit answer:

[QUOTE]"Because unless you're actually seducing a woman you might as well just be wanking. Sex with SWers don't count Pity sex doesn't count Unless I am able to turn on a woman myself I won't be happy and I've never been convinced I can do that, I've had sex twice, paid once."

https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelsInAction/comments/8duqfa/why_do_incels_never_consider_a_prostitute/
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2452272]Does Germany have incels, or is this a North American puritanism kind of thing?[/QUOTE]No, it doesn't, not really. It's because the sexual repression is not so extreme. In Germany guys can go to FKKs. People need an outlet and sensible cultures provide outlets. (By outlet I don't mean "hand out guns".).

But even in Germany there are always opportunistic attacks from the femipuritans. Clodius1 shared this link:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-lawmakers-call-for-buying-sex-to-be-made-permanently-illegal/a-53504221

Liked the Joni song by PhallusMaximus and what I believe was Mr Ho's version of Lola. Paradise Lost?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2452087]Outtro:

And after corona, I met a FKK girl in FKK and her name was "corona" LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2452387]"One of the wettest we've ever seen, from the standpoint of water".[/QUOTE]LOL as a result I have become the horniest I've ever seen, from the standpoint of testosterone. Right now I could fuck a rhino and maybe even forget the condom.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452390]One thing I always do is to never underestimate people no matter their station in life. Some people need to look down on others which is essentially a defensive need to overcome inferiority.[/QUOTE]I met many lovely girls, few really tender like Daria at LR, some wow looks, some who even impressed me for their behavior for me, but when many like to tell me, about quite private, when I don't ask for, women usually speak with guys with my manners, I m sorry but I don't find FKK land to be land of cleverness and as I wrote: highest level girls don't work as prostitute, because they don't need to be paid to know what they worth. Just to compare with real life women, if you meet some, they are much more interesting for me, lies or gossiping are not interesting but boring for me.

[QUOTE=Zumboit;2452455]Liked the Joni song by PhallusMaximus and what I believe was Mr Ho's version of Lola. Paradise Lost?[/QUOTE]I kinda imagined the tone of kanye west when I wrote that line LOL.

Like. After corona in FKK I met a girl named corona LOL!

I am not big fan of Kanye or hip hop, but I do check all music out of all genre old or new, more into old songs that are classic.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2452472]LOL as a result I have become the horniest I've ever seen, from the standpoint of testosterone. Right now I could fuck a rhino and maybe even forget the condom.[/QUOTE]No worry, look down, you got this magical nature given tool called right or left hand, so pick one or use both to survive LOL. !

Oh, don't forget to use your imagination acquired in FKK from your previous visit LOL!

We do not just buy good sex, we also bought good memories as souvenir from FKK, so close your eyes, and make good use of your left or right hand or both LOL!

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2452472]LOL as a result I have become the horniest I've ever seen, from the standpoint of testosterone. Right now I could fuck a rhino and maybe even forget the condom.[/QUOTE]Just remember to polyamorph into a Rhino first.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2452395]Meanwhile, the WGs with a lot of emotional intelligence are raking it in and may even outsmart one of these technically intelligent guys into spending tons on her or marrying her, thus consigning his fortune to her.[/QUOTE]You only live once m8!

And instincts are telling us to spread our love as much as possible. There is no other easy way in doing that than p6. If you want your emotional satisfaction with one girl, that will take you a few months. And unless she is like a top 5%, you'd run out of Oxycontin banging her after a year and a half. And meanwhile you've probably spent thousands on that one woman.

Try studying anthropology to see the reason behind why women want so many dates before they have sex. And it is not because they don't want sex. It is a strategy in order to tighten the leech on you.

Study even more anthropology, and you will find out that the reason behind this is that back in the stone ages, women needed food (the currency of the time) (also why most women want to go on dinner dates) while the baby in her stomach, holding her down physically from gathering food herself through hunting or gathering. So they needed a 18 month personal bond to one male. This is known as the honeymoon period.

Study even further and you will find out that the best way for human gene spreading and improved global gene diversity is wars and rape. And for men from far away to have sex with women who were basically not their own cousins (from their own country). In today's world we get to do the same thing without wars. Simply because we have easier means of transportation. But still most people live in their own country, so dating a non local that is also in the top 5% can get very tricky. This is one major reason for globalization and mass immigration also.

Study even more and you will realise that women don't always look for the best looking guys. There are many strategies that ticks female instincts. Females are not like men in this regard. And we are biologically almost as far apart as two different species. What seems to be a common trait however is how women want to get a sense of security.

Women even sometimes consider totally different facial traits as being good looking than what we do. So for us to know what is beautiful for a woman can sometimes be very hard.

Yes women like muscles because it projects power back in the stone age. It is an instinct that has lived on. Go to any gym however, and pick out the 10 most ripped guys. 7-8 of them have used some types of doping like dtt, making you into a transgenderred after a few years due to testosteron production stopping or anabolics. And 9 out of 10 of them use preworkouts with creatine, which turns you bald, or BCAAs which causes insulin resistance and gives you high blood sugar levels (me being the last 1/10 LOL). So talking about smart women of today, they would avoid gym guys who fucks up their bodies long term for short term gains. Or just fuck them a few times, and then throw them away. Either way, the girls might just be suckered in also. Much like they try with their dating practices. Because only stupid women would want a dude who can't even get it up when he is 40 due to all the extras he took, or has a high blood sugar level and starts beating her for real because she whines at him due to late paint job, and now its raining, since he took too much BCAA.

Look, we only live once. And people do what they want. Analyzing other men in a psychoANALytical way is about as gay as it gets. And the people who do it always lacks key data. They are also the worst of the worst when it comes to labelling. And that is deffinately not a good trait to have.

Shrinks are the psychologically most fucked up people you will ever meet. Because they study psychology due to their own messed up psyche. And these are the people writing the curriculum. My 2nd girlfriend is a shrink, so I know very well. A lot of beautiful girls are shrinks though, but being beautiful can also be mentally very draining and fuck you up in other ways.

'Life is like a box of chocolate, and you get to have more than one piece. It might also make you fat. ' A smartass once said that.

LOL as a result I have become the horniest I've ever seen, from the standpoint of testosterone. Right now I could fuck a rhino and maybe even forget the condom.

Means the testosterone is controlling you take it easy and than some are telling humans are not animals.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2452524]You only live once m8. And instincts are telling us to spread our love as much as possible .... study even more anthropology, and you will find out that the reason behind this is ... [/QUOTE]This is one of the best posts written since long time on this board.

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2452582]This is one of the best posts written since long time on this board.[/QUOTE]Talk about love in sex forum where we discuss about mongering, which is fucking prostitutes in brothel is wrong forum or place to talk about love LOL!

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2452472]LOL as a result I have become the horniest I've ever seen, from the standpoint of testosterone. Right now I could fuck a rhino and maybe even forget the condom.[/QUOTE]I don't know if I would be able to resist to rhino pretty face, curves and charm, but be careful because they run quite fast, but when I like to go weekly when I find a enjoyable beauty for me and to have many rooms with her, best for my mind being to go only with one, even other girls don't understand, telling: but you are not married with her, you can go with others, meaning with me, each one own level, but since my last visit on Saturday 14 March with a really enjoyable room with very fresh German Tabea for her first room at Sharks, I don't miss brothels, probably because I was bored since a while after seeing many girls becoming too prostitute behavior, losing charm, for my desire, preferring some new places which are less fuck factories full of prostitutes images, but with more charm and chic, what is more desirable for me. Of course, my mood was killed by no ski, for first time since half century, I remember when I was a baby on skis crying because cold feet and hands, when adrenaline is my drug and I need to have light on inside me, also bad figures of course were real killing mood when we had 800 deaths per day in France, more than 1500 in US, now around 100 and R0 <1 in France, so I didn't even run to escorts when Olga is a real pleasure, but only 4 meetings on 2 months and half, when I had 4 escorts from Monday to Thursday for 3 weeks on July 2014 with many times Milana and Oceane from past Amour Russe. Like passion died from ski frustration, I think and dream only about ski, waiting for bicycle climbing to forget a bit frustration, and also from dark figures. I m only happy for Africa who manage well about virus when they don t need to have more problems. Maybe all these bad points helped me not to miss, making me losing my passion which is my engine for life making me not needing to sleep, fed by passion. Wait and see but no big miss since mid March, no hurry, I only want my dreamed Summer holidays, my mind really need.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2452524].............Study even more and you will realise that women don't always look for the best looking guys. There are many strategies that ticks female instincts. Females are not like men in this regard. And we are biologically almost as far apart as two different species. What seems to be a common trait however is how women want to get a sense of security..............[/QUOTE]Quite a thesis there Pistons. The issue of good looking guys and the gals have always interested me especially when I was a teenager and in my early 20's. I had acquaintances who were good looking and they always got the best girls or had the girls hovering around them. However, they were not necessarily the ones who had the most girls. The guys with the most girls were the ones who had 'game', that is, those who were talkative, had a sense of humor and most importantly lied the most. The rich guys got the least lays, they had girls around them alright but those girls did not want sex, they wanted marriage.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452635]Quite a thesis there Pistons. The issue of good looking guys and the gals have always interested me especially when I was a teenager and in my early 20's. I had acquaintances who were good looking and they always got the best girls or had the girls hovering around them. However, they were not necessarily the ones who had the most girls. The guys with the most girls were the ones who had 'game', that is, those who were talkative, had a sense of humor and most importantly lied the most. The rich guys got the least lays, they had girls around them alright but those girls did not want sex, they wanted marriage.[/QUOTE]I think that is why these reality TV shows like paradise hotel, too good to handle, ex on the beach etc are so popular. Because they all emphasize on this game aspect.

Any why not? Most likely our simulated reality is only a game after all.

Well looks like the end of the hobby may be upon us in Germnay.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-lawmakers-call-for-buying-sex-to-be-made-permanently-illegal/a-53504221?fbclid=IwAR17RwOX6-VxWkN36dmsDtp8JdEmm1ur17Hln7Yz6Gv3yg8jAiamUNwtn9s[/URL]

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2452868]Well looks like the end of the hobby may be upon us in Germany.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-lawmakers-call-for-buying-sex-to-be-made-permanently-illegal/a-53504221?fbclid=IwAR17RwOX6-VxWkN36dmsDtp8JdEmm1ur17Hln7Yz6Gv3yg8jAiamUNwtn9s[/URL][/QUOTE]Well if it is, then all we can do is savor the memories, be glad we had the chance to develop them, and move on to more opportune destinations. By the way, I posted in another thread that the room pictured in the article looks mighty familiar! Like I have fucked in it more than once LOL! Palace?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2452272]Deadly attack at erotic spa in Toronto was 'incel terrorism,' police allege.

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/events/1262815604840398848[/URL]

Does Germany have incels, or is this a North American puritanism kind of thing? You'd think incels would celebrate erotic services if they can't get it any other way.[/QUOTE]It's def a thing on our side of the pond. The feministas have a stranglehold on American society and the men here usually just take it lying down. Now with SESTA / FOSTA the P4 P is wiped out. Lots of frustrated guys who cannot afford to hop a flight to MTL or NRW or pickup a SB on SA. Rough times for those guys. They should take a look at MGTOW and bide their time. The problem is that these younger guys don't have the life experience yet to keep things in perspective. The worm will turn for us Ice Bears. Patience.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2452414]For the incels that are against WGs, it is more than just the physical act. Their frustration stems from their belief that they are inferior males. They dismissively use the names "Chad" and "Stacy". They want to be Chad, who is able to bang Stacy, the hot white blonde cheerleader, without paying. That would validate their need to feel superior. This need cannot be met from banging a poor village girl who is willing to have sex with any man who has enough money.

While most men accept that they did not hit the genetic lottery of being born a "Chad", incels hold some resentment. They resent the fact that they are not benefactors of the cock carousel: women in their 20's bang the hottest guys for free, women in their 30's settle for a rich guy; women in their 40's divorce, take half of their ex-husband's wealth, and use that wealth to attract and bang young hot guys. So being a monger might remind them that they are the cuck in that whole equation.

According to Reddit answer:[/QUOTE]What's the most valuable thing a woman can give you? It's not her pee-sleeve. She gives that away for free to Chad and tyrone. Nope, it's her youth. If a 9 or 10 is willing to give you her 20's when her SMV is highest, take it and wife that up. Have your kids and just expect that she's going to jump back on the cock carousel later on. That's just fine- you've got your kids and you've got FKK. Winning!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452871]Well if it is, then all we can do is savor the memories, be glad we had the chance to develop them, and move on to more opportune destinations. By the way, I posted in another thread that the room pictured in the article looks mighty familiar! Like I have fucked in it more than once LOL! Palace?[/QUOTE]I doubt it will lead to sex ban. It's only 16 politicians as claimed by the media. I don't know if all 16 politicians demand sex purchase ban. It's unfortunate that some people and groups use events like coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to force their morals and ideology on rest of society.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2452879]What's the most valuable thing a woman can give you? It's not her pee-sleeve. She gives that away for free to Chad and tyrone. Nope, it's her youth. If a 9 or 10 is willing to give you her 20's when her SMV is highest, take it and wife that up. Have your kids and just expect that she's going to jump back on the cock carousel later on. That's just fine- you've got your kids and you've got FKK. Winning![/QUOTE]For me, when she says to her friends, her parents, she is happy now, she feels woman, then real pride, real success, when brothels are a game, but also kind of failure and wasting money like in casino. Only worth to buy dreams for me, no dream just emptying balls or having my ass washed; only woman reactions motivate me. Even jealousy or anger can be interesting.

Politicians hate talking about brothels. That was the reason, why I said last year, that the chances of sex business shutdown (forever) was very unlikely.

But now things may be more probably. If this team of politicians around SPD-politician Lauterbach keeps pushing hard, they may have a chance. Because now the discussion has an intriguing offer: let's just once talk about sex business. Instead of twice. Or 5-times.

Because the repetitive considering, whether prostitution is ok now or then, will not be liked by politician.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2452868]Well looks like the end of the hobby may be upon us in Germnay.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-lawmakers-call-for-buying-sex-to-be-made-permanently-illegal/a-53504221?fbclid=IwAR17RwOX6-VxWkN36dmsDtp8JdEmm1ur17Hln7Yz6Gv3yg8jAiamUNwtn9s[/URL][/QUOTE]

Clubs will be the last P6 places to open. Social distancing is impossible, a situation with 100-200 people in a closed room will not happen in 2020. Good to have a dozen girl on hand to meet in their apartments or hotels. Even though some girls quote 700 EUR /2 h there's plenty of good looking and performing former club girls offering service for 100 or 150 for an hour outcall or incall. No more tourists ruining prices. No urge to open any of the clubs in the near future.

Those politicians are calling for the "swedish" model, where the buyers of sex services will be prosecuted. What's noteable is, that sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the world - 5 times higher than Germany.

Why would this be, if not for the reason of its harsh banning of prostitution.

Germany had in 2019 about 9500 rapes going on. Nationwide. Sweden hat in 2015 twice as many: 18000 - for a country that has 8 times smaller population.

If Germany would eventually catch up with the rape rate of sweden, then this would be an equivalent of 144000 rapes - 134000 more. Every year!?

That is a very very high price to pay for the german women.

There are more good arguments why prostitution can work in Germany: but it includes wearing surgical masks: see here a good article: [URL]https://www.watson.de/leben/interview/434026183-prostituierte-schiesst-gegen-karl-lauterbach-schon-frueher-problem-mit-uns-gehabt[/URL].

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2452942]Politicians hate talking about brothels. That was the reason, why I said last year, that the chances of sex business shutdown (forever) was very unlikely.

But now things may be more probably. If this team of politicians around SPD-politician Lauterbach keeps pushing hard, they may have a chance. Because now the discussion has an intriguing offer: let's just once talk about sex business. Instead of twice. Or 5-times.

Because the repetitive considering, whether prostitution is ok now or then, will not be liked by politician.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2452945]Clubs will be the last P6 places to open. Social distancing is impossible, a situation with 100-200 people in a closed room will not happen in 2020. Good to have a dozen girl on hand to meet in their apartments or hotels. Even though some girls quote 700 EUR /2 h there's plenty of good looking and performing former club girls offering service for 100 or 150 for an hour outcall or incall. No more tourists ruining prices. No urge to open any of the clubs in the near future.[/QUOTE]I have been saying here for many weeks that clubs will not open this year.

Recent FKK girls are doing in calls for 100 an hour? Are they requiring several hours of booking? One hour in call for 100 E with some of the top shelf FKK girls is a good price.

150 an hour is clearly higher than normal FKK pricing. If you are paying that much willingly, why do you blame tourists for screwing up the prices? BTW, if you check out the sugar babe thread here on ISG, you will see that $200 per session is fairly common price for sugar babes and that is for more than an hour and in USA at that.

Those politicians are calling for the "Swedish" model, where the buyers of sex services will be prosecuted. What's noteable is, that Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the world - 5 times higher than Germany.

Why would this be, if not for the reason of its harsh banning of prostitution.

Germany had in 2019 about 9500 rapes going on. Nationwide. Sweden hat in 2015 twice as many: 18000 - for a country that has 8 times smaller population.

If Germany would eventually catch up with the rape rate of Sweden, then this would be an equivalent of 144000 rapes - 134000 more. Every year!?

That is a very very high price to pay for the German women.

There are more good arguments why prostitution can work in Germany: but it includes wearing surgical masks: see here a good article:

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2452949]Those politicians are calling for the "swedish" model, where the buyers of sex services will be prosecuted. What's noteable is, that sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the world - 5 times higher than Germany.

Why would this be, if not for the reason of its harsh banning of prostitution.[/QUOTE]It could be that Sweden has a different definition of rape. In Sweden a rape is like where the woman wakes up in the morning and decides that she didn't much fancy the sex with her boyfriend last night. Remember the case of Julian Assange.

But I agree with your overall argument. FKKs are necessary to keep crazy people off the streets. Like me for instance. With the current drought of sex I got desperate and started going round to shops and cafes and chatting up the girls. Anybody else try that? I haven't done that for like ten years or something. And of course the girls are rolling their eyes and thinking, "Why can't this horny guy go back to the FKKs."

So you see, the FKK system works for everybody.

Argentina defaulted for 9th times. As not intelligent nation as they are, we mongers maybe lucky to get some of Argentinian beauties in German FKK. I had girl named Chloe claimed to be Venezuelan, but originally from Argentinian by management at Palace, she was real stunner who does all in room and only girl I was satisfied even though I did pay 200 euro per hour session, but how she licked and put her tongue in my anal and how she does anything in room was deep, passionate, kinky and not just dirty, but filthy sex by such a stunner level beautiful girl. A lot of spitting and wow she still mesmerize me. I hope she is OK in Argentina and I feel bad that her country Argentinian men are so stupid to default for 9th time! How stupid can they be to default 9 times LOL!

It is like Argentinian male culture to be stupid enough for default 9 times LOL! I hope this forum staffs are OK because administrators are Argentinian.

Lebanon too defaulted, I have not really met Lebanese girl in FKK, but I hope they will somehow land in German FKK like Chloe from Argentina which is further away did manage to come to German FKK.

Default for 9th time. How stupid Argentinian males can be LOL!

Here are some updates of P6 situation in Germany.

1. Escort service is allowed in NRW based on interpretation of the newest government measures by some posters on a German forum.

2. A court in NRW ruled that Tantra (erotic) massage parlor is not prostitution establishment, so it is allowed to reopen in NRW.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/tantra-massage-keine-prostitution-urteil-ueber-salon-schliessung-wegen-corona-70767992.bild.html[/URL]


3. First lawsuit from the brothels of Frankfurt redlight district against Hessen state. A part of the article in the following link is as follows:

"Nothing has gone into brothels for 70 days! The whole of Hesse is loosening up, only politicians remain hard on prostitution. A good 20 brothel operators from the Bahnhofsviertel are now suing for reopening. . With a hygiene concept.

Maletzki: "Admission control with fever measurements, women have to measure fever every day. If you have over 37 degrees, you have to go. In addition, disinfection lock, mask requirement throughout the house, also in the room. No kissing, no blowjobs, just one person in the room, no gang bang. ".

The lawsuit was filed on Thursday and will reach the authorities in charge tomorrow. ".

[URL]https://m.bild.de/bild-plus/regional/frankfurt/frankfurt-aktuell/frankfurt-maskenpflicht-im-zimmer-bordell-besitzer-klagen-auf-wiedereroeffnung-70793938[/URL]


4. Here is the proposal from the professional association of german prostitutes (BesD) and also serves as the guideline for prostitutes if brothels are allowed to reopen:

[URL]https://www.t-online.de/gesundheit/krankheiten-symptome/id_87905956/coronavirus-so-soll-prostitution-ablaufen-hygienekonzept.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2453066]Here are some updates of P6 situation in Germany.

1. Escort service is allowed in NRW based on interpretation of the newest government measures by some posters on a German forum.

2. A court in NRW ruled that Tantra (erotic) massage parlor is not prostitution establishment, so it is allowed to reopen in NRW.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/tantra-massage-keine-prostitution-urteil-ueber-salon-schliessung-wegen-corona-70767992.bild.html[/URL]


3. First lawsuit from the brothels of Frankfurt redlight district against Hessen state. A part of the article in the following link is as follows:

"Nothing has gone into brothels for 70 days! The whole of Hesse is loosening up, only politicians remain hard on prostitution. A good 20 brothel operators from the Bahnhofsviertel are now suing for reopening. . With a hygiene concept.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the update in Germany.

A rare post on here which was informative and concise without the usual bluster.

Although living in the UK I often travel to Germany & while I've used the Frankfurt brothels I primarily use FKK's, however decent posts on updates in Germany like this one are most welcome.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2453066]Here are some updates of P6 situation in Germany.

1. Escort service is allowed in NRW based on interpretation of the newest government measures by some posters on a German forum.

2. A court in NRW ruled that Tantra (erotic) massage parlor is not prostitution establishment, so it is allowed to reopen in NRW.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/tantra-massage-keine-prostitution-urteil-ueber-salon-schliessung-wegen-corona-70767992.bild.html[/URL]


3. First lawsuit from the brothels of Frankfurt redlight district against Hessen state. A part of the article in the following link is as follows:

"Nothing has gone into brothels for 70 days! The whole of Hesse is loosening up, only politicians remain hard on prostitution. A good 20 brothel operators from the Bahnhofsviertel are now suing for reopening. . With a hygiene concept.[/QUOTE]What is sex with no kissing, no pleasure, no need just to empty balls. You can have no temperature, no symptom and infect a girl who will kill many old or fat, or guys returning home to wife and children, or old mother, with killer gift. In brothels, this is just impossible to avoid spreading, just have to accept to play new Chinese roulette, or more safe to stay and take care of wife, women like pleasure.

I love Germany.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2453066]Here are some updates of P6 situation in Germany.

1. Escort service is allowed in NRW based on interpretation of the newest government measures by some posters on a German forum.

2. A court in NRW ruled that Tantra (erotic) massage parlor is not prostitution establishment, so it is allowed to reopen in NRW.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/tantra-massage-keine-prostitution-urteil-ueber-salon-schliessung-wegen-corona-70767992.bild.html[/URL]


3. First lawsuit from the brothels of Frankfurt redlight district against Hessen state. A part of the article in the following link is as follows:

"Nothing has gone into brothels for 70 days! The whole of Hesse is loosening up, only politicians remain hard on prostitution. A good 20 brothel operators from the Bahnhofsviertel are now suing for reopening. . With a hygiene concept.[/QUOTE]

Bfsie,

Thanks for adding some real data.

I continue to posit that FKK's and similar venues will open on August 31.

The reasons for this are that the Federal lockdown ends August 30 - [URL]https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/coronavirus/corona-massnahmen-1734724[/URL] after which large events are allowed and social distancing can end. Nothing is said specifically in regards to sex venues of any kind.

Next, neither North Rhine-Westphalia ([URL]https://www.land.nrw/de/wichtige-fragen-und-antworten-zum-corona-virus[/URL]) nor Hessen ([URL]https://wirtschaft.hessen.de/wirtschaft/corona-info/was-ist-wieder-erlaubt-was-nicht[/URL]) have any guidance at this time that contradicts or modifies the Federal plan. Their guidance does include sex venues and does not mention any future plans.

I'm also watching [URL]http://prostitution2017.de/schutzgesetz/[/URL] to see if there might be other changes.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2452982]I have been saying here for many weeks that clubs will not open this year.

Recent FKK girls are doing in calls for 100 an hour? Are they requiring several hours of booking? One hour in call for 100 E with some of the top shelf FKK girls is a good price.

150 an hour is clearly higher than normal FKK pricing. If you are paying that much willingly, why do you blame tourists for screwing up the prices? BTW, if you check out the sugar babe thread here on ISG, you will see that $200 per session is fairly common price for sugar babes and that is for more than an hour and in USA at that.[/QUOTE]No way FKK girls are doing incalls for EUR100. At the best of times they were charging EUR150 minimum. Now with no clubs I would be surprised if any go as low as EUR150. Do you know anyone who has paid 100?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2453104]Bfsie,

Thanks for adding some real data.

I continue to posit that FKK's and similar venues will open on August 31.

The reasons for this are that the Federal lockdown ends August 30 - [URL]https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/coronavirus/corona-massnahmen-1734724[/URL] after which large events are allowed and social distancing can end. Nothing is said specifically in regards to sex venues of any kind.

Next, neither North Rhine-Westphalia ([URL]https://www.land.nrw/de/wichtige-fragen-und-antworten-zum-corona-virus[/URL]) nor Hessen ([URL]https://wirtschaft.hessen.de/wirtschaft/corona-info/was-ist-wieder-erlaubt-was-nicht[/URL]) have any guidance at this time that contradicts or modifies the Federal plan. Their guidance does include sex venues and does not mention any future plans.

I'm also watching [URL]http://prostitution2017.de/schutzgesetz/[/URL] to see if there might be other changes.[/QUOTE]Spain says La Liga can reopen from June. Things are looking up.

No way FKK girls are doing incalls for EUR100. At the best of times they were charging EUR150 minimum. Now with no clubs I would be surprised if any go as low as EUR150. Do you know anyone who has paid 100?

Most of the girls are not any longer in Germany, what they do at home I have no idea. For the few girls still in Germany, when they have no BF and live alone (very very seldom, usually they share a flat with other girls) do you really believe they want to have male visitors coming repeatedly every day? No of course that will be very bad concerning the neighbors. Yes if you have very close contact, with a girl she will meet you as a kind of friend but never for 1 hour and not just for fuck this is for sure. Today escorting in hotels is very difficult, the staff will stop it immediately. In that situation no need to speak about the costs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453107]No way FKK girls are doing incalls for EUR100. At the best of times they were charging EUR150 minimum. Now with no clubs I would be surprised if any go as low as EUR150. Do you know anyone who has paid 100?[/QUOTE]They should go for less than 100€ since they don't have to pay any entrance fee to the FKK: s. Now it's the time to make bargains, not to increase the rates.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2453104]I continue to posit that FKK's and similar venues will open on August 31.[/QUOTE]I don't see them re-opening before end of October or even not before 2021. If they open earlier I owe you a Coke at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453107]No way FKK girls are doing incalls for EUR100. At the best of times they were charging EUR150 minimum. Now with no clubs I would be surprised if any go as low as EUR150. Do you know anyone who has paid 100?[/QUOTE]No. Rogue Nation said ex FKK girls are charging 100 to 150 Euro for an hour for in / out call. I am also surprised at that amount, especially if it is just one hour. I can see girls agreeing to 500 E for 5 hours, but don't think 100 E for one hour will cut it for them.

But as I said, plenty of sugar babes agree to $200 per session which can be an hour and half or two hours long.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453107]No way FKK girls are doing incalls for EUR100. At the best of times they were charging EUR150 minimum. Now with no clubs I would be surprised if any go as low as EUR150. Do you know anyone who has paid 100?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ExpatLover;2453125]No way FKK girls are doing incalls for EUR100. At the best of times they were charging EUR150 minimum. Now with no clubs I would be surprised if any go as low as EUR150. Do you know anyone who has paid 100?

Most of the girls are not any longer in Germany, what they do at home I have no idea. For the few girls still in Germany, when they have no BF and live alone (very very seldom, usually they share a flat with other girls) do you really believe they want to have male visitors coming repeatedly every day? No of course that will be very bad concerning the neighbors. Yes if you have very close contact, with a girl she will meet you as a kind of friend but never for 1 hour and not just for fuck this is for sure. Today escorting in hotels is very difficult, the staff will stop it immediately. In that situation no need to speak about the costs.[/QUOTE]At EL: You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. I have had incall / outcall offers from FKK girls ranging from 100/ h (no longer booking required) to 700/2 h (of course I wished them good luck). I have met girls repeatedly in their apartments and in hotels.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2452982]Recent FKK girls are doing in calls for 100 an hour? Are they requiring several hours of booking? One hour in call for 100 E with some of the top shelf FKK girls is a good price.

150 an hour is clearly higher than normal FKK pricing. If you are paying that much willingly, why do you blame tourists for screwing up the prices?[/QUOTE]Top girls from various clubs are offering 150/ h including DFK, BBBJ, even CIM. That is FKK club pricing. But 150/ h with CBJ, no DFK, no CIM is what many non FKK girls are charging. For sure FKK girls will not accept every customer and they will have different pricing. If you are not in Germany, if they don't know you very well and trust you and if you don't have any contact details. Bad luck. I don't care about sugar babes in the US. If they are that great. Why was the world visiting German FKK?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2453127]They should go for less than 100 since they don't have to pay any entrance fee to the FKK: s. Now it's the time to make bargains, not to increase the rates.[/QUOTE]Go for it. Find a top Ex-FKK girl or any other top girl for less than 100/ h. I assume you were talking about an hourly rate. Prostitution is illegal in Germany currently.

Very cool information!

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2453066]Here are some updates of P6 situation in Germany.

1. Escort service is allowed in NRW based on interpretation of the newest government measures by some posters on a German forum.

2. A court in NRW ruled that Tantra (erotic) massage parlor is not prostitution establishment, so it is allowed to reopen in NRW.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/tantra-massage-keine-prostitution-urteil-ueber-salon-schliessung-wegen-corona-70767992.bild.html[/URL]


3. First lawsuit from the brothels of Frankfurt redlight district against Hessen state. A part of the article in the following link is as follows:

"Nothing has gone into brothels for 70 days! The whole of Hesse is loosening up, only politicians remain hard on prostitution. A good 20 brothel operators from the Bahnhofsviertel are now suing for reopening. . With a hygiene concept.

Maletzki: "Admission control with fever measurements, women have to measure fever every day. If you have over 37 degrees, you have to go. In addition, disinfection lock, mask requirement throughout the house, also in the room. No kissing, no blowjobs, just one person in the room, no gang bang. ".

The lawsuit was filed on Thursday and will reach the authorities in charge tomorrow. ".

[URL]https://m.bild.de/bild-plus/regional/frankfurt/frankfurt-aktuell/frankfurt-maskenpflicht-im-zimmer-bordell-besitzer-klagen-auf-wiedereroeffnung-70793938[/URL]


4. Here is the proposal from the professional association of german prostitutes (BesD) and also serves as the guideline for prostitutes if brothels are allowed to reopen:

[URL]https://www.t-online.de/gesundheit/krankheiten-symptome/id_87905956/coronavirus-so-soll-prostitution-ablaufen-hygienekonzept.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2453171]Top girls from various clubs are offering 150/ h including DFK, BBBJ, even CIM. That is FKK club pricing. But 150/ h with CBJ, no DFK, no CIM is what many non FKK girls are charging. For sure FKK girls will not accept every customer and they will have different pricing. If you are not in Germany, if they don't know you very well and trust you and if you don't have any contact details. Bad luck. I don't care about sugar babes in the US. If they are that great. Why was the world visiting German FKK?.[/QUOTE]Well, thank you for the information but you are unnecessarily being belligerent. I like FKKs for specific reasons such as a large number of naked girls available for fucking at the drop of a hat. Prices in FKKs used to be attractive but of late they are getting a bit less so. You mentioned 100 to 150 E for an hour, and while both are attractive enough prices, 150 E is no longer super low and that's my only point.

Sugar babe sites are just meeting places for guys and girls to come together and make their own free lance deals, and not just in US. I have used it in some cities in EU including in DE, and so have many others and of course there are EU based mongers using such sites as their primary form of mongering enablement. There is more legwork involved on these sites and can be hit and miss but if you choose well you can get a great deal with a pretty young lady who is not a professional and has not been fucked a dozen times on the the alone.

That said, in-call at 100 E with a top shelf FKK girl is quite an enticing prospect (if you are not deterred by Corona prospect).

The idiocy of politicians, and their greed for graft is infinite. The BS about retraining former WG's for non-existent well paying and secure jobs at the end of that is the same wishful thinking nonsense about a magic equilibrium will emerge from a parallel universe to take up he slack from automation and outsourcing and restore income of the displaced. The root issue is lack of economic opportunity that drove many women into the industry in the first place. Banning the hobby ignores the basal problem of humans becoming structurally redundant to industry. It is not like a Romanian WG is going to retrain (who pays for that ? What if no aptitude ?) and become (insert buzz word adjectives that imply high pay and designer sunglasses) anymore than Joe the sheet metal worker in Ohio made redundant by automated CNC robots. Incidentally, some women like the freedom, flexibility and income it provides as well as male attention. "Retraining" to become an uber driver or packing monkey in a fulfillment warehouse is not a long term or secure job.

The problem is that the end goal of any economic rationally enterprise is ideally reducing labor costs to zero, and same for other inputs. We used to have de jure slaves, and the way AI is going will be to make the AI born into slavery.

I wonder if this anti-hooker thing is some desperate economic fantasy because the politicians must surely see that 20th century notion of employment is history, and with than come the realization that falling income to pay the overinflated bank debt bubble interest and government expenditure is toast. Anti WG industry seems to be a developed country disease that flies in the face of history. Even the old testament mentions WG's and sets rules, namely not in your home town.

Indonesia, Thailand and other places will be the new mecca for emerging commerce as our indebted, corrupt and sclerotic bank driven zombie economy and printing press of money destroys what was once a proud and good product of the renaissance, western civilization that I think has run its course absent radical rethinking about monetary policy and the dignity of people over accountants.

And yeah, rhinos are looking good, especially in sex prison USA.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2453066]..........Maletzki: "Admission control with fever measurements, women have to measure fever every day. If you have over 37 degrees, you have to go. In addition, disinfection lock, mask requirement throughout the house, also in the room. No kissing, no blowjobs, just one person in the room, no gang bang. "............[/QUOTE]The requirement for masks in the room with no blowjob and no kissing will not be a problem for me. This will be treated in the same way as the 2017 requirement for CBJ in the room. However, a requirement for masks throughout the club is a deal breaker for me. That will mean the end of my visits to FKKs. The girl's face is very important for my decision to go to the room. Not only do I need to see how pretty or not pretty she is but also her expression and facial language which many times influence my decision as to whether to go with her or not.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453229]The requirement for masks in the room with no blowjob and no kissing will not be a problem for me. This will be treated in the same way as the 2017 requirement for CBJ in the room. However, a requirement for masks throughout the club is a deal breaker for me. That will mean the end of my visits to FKKs. The girl's face is very important for my decision to go to the room. Not only do I need to see how pretty or not pretty she is but also her expression and facial language which many times influence my decision as to whether to go with her or not.[/QUOTE]+1 completely agree. I am a not interested in having sex with girls I don't consider to be attractive. You need to see their faces and as you say, expression is important. How will the girls or customers drink anything if there are masks? How will the girls smoke? It's nonsense. Either stay closed until it is safe or get to a point where it is decided that with 100% hygiene / deep cleaning after every room / minimising risk if at all possible, then open as normal. If it creates a spike close again.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453229]The requirement for masks in the room with no blowjob and no kissing will not be a problem for me. This will be treated in the same way as the 2017 requirement for CBJ in the room. However, a requirement for masks throughout the club is a deal breaker for me. That will mean the end of my visits to FKKs. The girl's face is very important for my decision to go to the room. Not only do I need to see how pretty or not pretty she is but also her expression and facial language which many times influence my decision as to whether to go with her or not.[/QUOTE]The face is extremely important to me too. So much so that I absolutely will not go with a girl if I don't like her face and teeth (smile), no matter how banging her body may be. Have turned many a girl down for this very reason. And you just know some of these greedy tutes will try to charge more money just to take the mask off in the room! Well, I'm not having it! I won't be returning to Germany if there is any kind of mask rule at all. I'm just not going to put up with it. Not anywhere I may venture to in the world to monger. And that's final!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2453235]+1 completely agree. I am a not interested in having sex with girls I don't consider to be attractive. You need to see their faces and as you say, expression is important. How will the girls or customers drink anything if there are masks? How will the girls smoke? It's nonsense. Either stay closed until it is safe or get to a point where it is decided that with 100% hygiene / deep cleaning after every room / minimising risk if at all possible, then open as normal. If it creates a spike close again.[/QUOTE]You can ask her if she kiss, with her mask.

+1 completely agree. I am a not interested in having sex with girls I don't consider to be attractive. You need to see their faces and as you say, expression is important. How will the girls or customers drink anything if there are masks? How will the girls smoke? It's nonsense. Either stay closed until it is safe or get to a point where it is decided that with 100% hygiene / deep cleaning after every room / minimizing risk if at all possible, then open as normal. If it creates a spike close again.

In past there been proposals in countries like UK of banning sex purchase IIRC, but never got passed through national legislature IIRC. In Canada buying sex is illegal, but prostitution flourishes. Same in Ireland and France (as long as you don't pick up streetwalkers). Even in Sweden prostitution still exists. In the USA, prostitution has been illegal in 49 states with harsher laws and enforcement though polices strings. Yet prostitution still flourishes If those countries couldn't abolish prostitution, what makes them think it will work in countries like Germany? It's just ideologically, moral bullshit. Good news is the support for this type of law seems very low.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2453236]The face is extremely important to me too. So much so that I absolutely will not go with a girl if I don't like her face and teeth (smile), no matter how banging her body may be. Have turned many a girl down for this very reason. And you just know some of these greedy tutes will try to charge more money just to take the mask off in the room! Well, I'm not having it! I won't be returning to Germany if there is any kind of mask rule at all. I'm just not going to put up with it. Not anywhere I may venture to in the world to monger. And that's final![/QUOTE]If girls have to wear masks in FKK for awhile as counter measure set by fed, then girls will begin to charge mongers for take off the mask extra charge or you only get to see half of her face LOL!

Mask off till nose 20 euro extra and full mask off will be extra 50 euro LOL!

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2453171]At EL: You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. I have had incall / outcall offers from FKK girls ranging from 100/ h (no longer booking required) to 700/2 h (of course I wished them good luck). I have met girls repeatedly in their apartments and in hotels.

Top girls from various clubs are offering 150/ h including DFK, BBBJ, even CIM. That is FKK club pricing. But 150/ h with CBJ, no DFK, no CIM is what many non FKK girls are charging. For sure FKK girls will not accept every customer and they will have different pricing. If you are not in Germany, if they don't know you very well and trust you and if you don't have any contact details. Bad luck. I don't care about sugar babes in the US. If they are that great. Why was the world visiting German FKK?

Go for it. Find a top Ex-FKK girl or any other top girl for less than 100/ h. I assume you were talking about an hourly rate. Prostitution is illegal in Germany currently.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your informative and well-mannered post. It has been a long time since the FKK Threads had the benefit of genuine information from a local expert.

I confirm from my own contacts that everything you say about the current availability is completely true. Although of course I can't go to Germany myself at the moment.

Thanks for sharing your expertise.

For those who are scared about virus, better to stay away from risky playfield paid sex, I would also to protect my relatives. If you go, you have to be aware of risk. Each one own taste for risks.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2453261]In past there been proposals in countries like UK of banning sex purchase IIRC, but never got passed through national legislature IIRC. In Canada buying sex is illegal, but prostitution flourishes. Same in Ireland and France (as long as you don't pick up streetwalkers). Even in Sweden prostitution still exists. In the USA, prostitution has been illegal in 49 states with harsher laws and enforcement though polices strings. Yet prostitution still flourishes If those countries couldn't abolish prostitution, what makes them think it will work in countries like Germany? It's just ideologically, moral bullshit. Good news is the support for this type of law seems very low.[/QUOTE]It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Germany has a unique system with its openness and legality. It is amazing how a person can go to Google Maps and type in Palace or Sharks and get directions, including mass transit, from anywhere. Even in other "legalized" European countries, many addresses are kept off of the internet, and many of the best independents and establishments in places such as Spain and Portugal work without an official license from the government.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each system, but from a standpoint of returning quickly to GFE / BBBJ during Covid-19, the independent escorts, and unlicensed "place-sharing" ladies will be at an enormous advantage over large, licensed facilities, even in Germany.

Prostitution would continue to exist in Germany if the Nordic Model were passed. Hell, it would even exist if full criminalization occurs (which it won't). The economic efficiencies are lost, though. The lady, even in a fully criminalized system, is allowed to sell time and companionship. She is allowed to sell anything she wants in the Nordic Model. The guy is legally allowed to purchase time and companionship under either system. The government can't get in the room to see what happens between them, and they can't realistically get a female cop in that room. It happens on stupid TV shows, but not in real life, even in the USA.

It is inefficient as hell, and drives the prices up. The parties need a bunch of "rooms" all over the place, and the time spent arranging a transaction is significant, which places an enormous value on repeat business for both parties. Canada is not as bad as the USA, since its Nordic Model allows the lady to legally subcontract out enough services to permit an Agency to handle administrative duties for several ladies, and they can share rooms. But only so far. There was a Canadian lawmaker who actually pounded on the podium during the debate and said that Canada would never become like Germany, with its four-story brothel buildings. So the Canadian system needs to be kept out of the public eye. The Canadian police in large cities actually did a Harm Reduction statement specifying the circumstances in which it will enforce the new Nordic Model law. If no violence, underaged activity, or disturbance to the public exists, they will look the other way.

Some here like to call the USA A Sex Prison, but I have never found that to be true. It is damn expensive due to the economic inefficiencies, but tremendous service exists. Law enforcement has never gone after independent escorts who screen, absent unusual circumstances. A few localities turn a blind eye to agencies only operating within that locality. The problem has always been multiple ladies mass-advertising in the public eye, such as BackPage and huge agencies that cross state lines, which gets immediate attention from USA Law enforcement, especially the Feds. But if you give screening information to a well-reviewed independent escort who screens, see her, and get referrals from her for her friends throughout the nation, you can be well taken care of, and never encounter law enforcement or blackmail / extortion. And they don't need to ask lawmakers if she can do DFK or BBBJTCIM until the covid-19 curve sufficiently flattens. She gets to decide that herself.

For a while, expensive independent German escorts might be at an advantage over FKK ladies. And if Germany ever changes its laws, which I hope they don't, to make the activity illegal, or half-illegal, commercial sex will still flourish, but a lot of guys here won't like the format. I have argued before that Germany would have been better off being like Spain or Portugal, where prostitution is legal but the players do their best to keep it out of the public eye and to minimize the relative percentage of immigrants working for a lower hourly rate than the local girls do. Personally, I think that draws attention from the wrong people.

The saunaclub in Prague seems to open now on 25th may!

Germany is now Romania for brothels. Registration killed last real Slavians, those who are able to speak Russian, have to go to Spain or France for them. Less and less Germans. Germans would not work for 50/30 if poor Romanians didn t make the business.

Expensive Switzerland is also mostly Romania with few Germans at Globe. Austria is also Romania.

In Spain, mostly Romanians and Latina, with few real Slavians, few just fallen from antonov, the most interesting of course.

I can understand Asians willing to taste different Caucasian taste and not hearing moaning like a little bird, but if US have interesting WGs, then why to pay expensive trip, at least 1000 USD to fly and back, even I know Romanian women are prettier than American women, but Canadians or Puerto Ricans are also prettier. If we still have Amour Russe level, prettier than FKK girls, I would go less often in Germany, even different, because clubs are also restaurant and hotel for me, sometimes for only 25 , for breakfast, lunch, tea time, diner, sometimes eating about 5 times because nothing more interesting to do and sleeping a bit, when no attractive girl for me. Then, tomorrow will be another day, no hurry, no rush, relaxing playing football in Oase garden, girls asking: You prefer to play football. I think we are lucky to have Romanians for cheap rate and found some really attractive, when I was so disappointed by American looks on Miami Beach where Puerto Ricans were the prettiest. Even West cost was disappointing, help us Hugh, where are your playmates? Called girl next door, but not what we see in US streets, maybe in middle West farms, fed with good fresh foods, not fast foods since being child.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2453339]..................Some here like to call the USA A Sex Prison, but I have never found that to be true. It is damn expensive due to the economic inefficiencies, but tremendous service exists. .............[/QUOTE]I have always used escorts, I have paid from US $300 to $500. Yesterday I had a black escort who is better looking than any black girl I have seen at FKKs, she had a great body (except for breasts), 1.78 m and an amazing booty, the sex was amazing, one of my all time bests. However, I would give that up in a flash for an equivalent time in an FKK. The FKKs with ambiance, food, drinks and so many lovely naked Eastern European beauties have spoilt me.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2453339]It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Germany has a unique system with its openness and legality. It is amazing how a person can go to Google Maps and type in Palace or Sharks and get directions, including mass transit, from anywhere. Even in other "legalized" European countries, many addresses are kept off of the internet, and many of the best independents and establishments in places such as Spain and Portugal work without an official license from the government.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each system, but from a standpoint of returning quickly to GFE / BBBJ during Covid-19, the independent escorts, and unlicensed "place-sharing" ladies will be at an enormous advantage over large, licensed facilities, even in Germany.

Prostitution would continue to exist in Germany if the Nordic Model were passed. Hell, it would even exist if full criminalization occurs (which it won't). The economic efficiencies are lost, though. The lady, even in a fully criminalized system, is allowed to sell time and companionship. She is allowed to sell anything she wants in the Nordic Model. The guy is legally allowed to purchase time and companionship under either system. The government can't get in the room to see what happens between them, and they can't realistically get a female cop in that room. It happens on stupid TV shows, but not in real life, even in the USA.[/QUOTE]+1 excellent analysis. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2453339]It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Germany has a unique system with its openness and legality. It is amazing how a person can go to Google Maps and type in Palace or Sharks and get directions, including mass transit, from anywhere. Even in other "legalized" European countries, many addresses are kept off of the internet, and many of the best independents and establishments in places such as Spain and Portugal work without an official license from the government.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each system, but from a standpoint of returning quickly to GFE / BBBJ during Covid-19, the independent escorts, and unlicensed "place-sharing" ladies will be at an enormous advantage over large, licensed facilities, even in Germany.

Prostitution would continue to exist in Germany if the Nordic Model were passed. Hell, it would even exist if full criminalization occurs (which it won't). The economic efficiencies are lost, though. The lady, even in a fully criminalized system, is allowed to sell time and companionship. She is allowed to sell anything she wants in the Nordic Model. The guy is legally allowed to purchase time and companionship under either system. The government can't get in the room to see what happens between them, and they can't realistically get a female cop in that room. It happens on stupid TV shows, but not in real life, even in the USA..[/QUOTE]I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.

Suggestions from the union to the German government to start the brothels again. Interesting.

Who is ready to share their mobile numbers with a prostitute to keep it in the record?

- Girl and suitor must wear face masks. Means: no oral sex, no "oral services".

- Hugs are prohibited, handshakes too.

- No group sex! The letter literally states: "There are never more than two people involved in the. Service at the same time."

- "All contact surfaces" such as beds, couches, chairs must be disinfected.

- The prostitutes should keep the contact details of their customers for four weeks.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/hamburg-aktuell/hygiene-konzept-fuer-prostituierte-mundschutz-pflicht-keine-orgien-70787010.bild.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2453378]I have always used escorts, I have paid from US $300 to $500. Yesterday I had a black escort who is better looking than any black girl I have seen at FKKs, she had a great body (except for breasts), 1.78 m and an amazing booty, the sex was amazing, one of my all time bests. However, I would give that up in a flash for an equivalent time in an FKK. The FKKs with ambiance, food, drinks and so many lovely naked Eastern European beauties have spoilt me.[/QUOTE]I'm not at all into, I love milky skin, but I remember a real black model at Sharks with round face and short hair and ultra bright smile, a real black beauty, I think it was on 2018. She smiled to me each time she returned to lockers.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2453339]It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.[/QUOTE]Glad you are posting, I always like your posts in Spain thread it helped me a lot. Keep posting dude, regards.

I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.

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I wish you will never have to live in a apartment close to one where an escort or several escorts are working. 3 years back I booked a room in the newly opened b&b Heidelberg. In the lift I saw a girl and I immediately smelled the prostitute, her room was just next to mine, I spent a terrible night and next morning complained to the reception where I was told that many customers have done the same. Mixing normal apartments or hotel rooms with working places for prostitutes is just not possible.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2453402]I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.[/QUOTE]Of course, there are plenty of terrible things that happen in criminalized and half-criminalized systems.

Most sex workers have a firm policy of never seeing anyone in their actual living premises for just the reason you list. There are of course exceptions; I used to see one escort at her place and she was simply matter-of-fact about it and said she irritated the commissary at her big apartment complex since she always bought all the condoms as soon as they stocked them. But she was also planning to move in a few months.

But this is a pick-your-poison activity. Sex workers and Johns in a criminalized or half-criminalized system are constantly getting hotel rooms or using such small dedicated trick-pads that it makes the overhead costs very high and presumably makes the session prices higher. But the system can function without the licensing and approval of the government, which obviously is difficult to obtain during a pandemic. I simply don't trust a government anywhere to ever be a friend to this industry. Maybe Germany will continue to be the exception.

And yes, most governments with criminalized and half-criminalized systems are hostile to foreign sex workers. But part of that is the protection of the local sex workers, who never seem to object. There are plenty of sex worker advocacy groups in the USA And it is amusing how they never seem to make any noise when Asian massage parlors get raided. Not sure about sex worker advocacy in Sweden, I have always found it a hypocritical country.

This is a not half-bad article that appeared today about covid-19 and USA Sex work.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/sex-workers-coronavirus-intl/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2453340]The saunaclub in Prague seems to open now on 25th may![/QUOTE]But not anymore worthing the trip for brothels, only for interesting Praha.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2453417]Suggestions from the union to the German government to start the brothels again. Interesting.

Who is ready to share their mobile numbers with a prostitute to keep it in the record?

- Girl and suitor must wear face masks. Means: no oral sex, no "oral services".

- Hugs are prohibited, handshakes too.

- No group sex! The letter literally states: "There are never more than two people involved in the. Service at the same time."

- "All contact surfaces" such as beds, couches, chairs must be disinfected.

- The prostitutes should keep the contact details of their customers for four weeks.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/hamburg-aktuell/hygiene-konzept-fuer-prostituierte-mundschutz-pflicht-keine-orgien-70787010.bild.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is a link to future FKK safe sex -.

[URL]https://youtu.be/BT0OPl4pTBc[/URL]

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2453476]Here is a link to future FKK safe sex -.

[URL]https://youtu.be/BT0OPl4pTBc[/URL][/QUOTE]The craziest thing is that some will pay to have sex in that way or something similar.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2453441]I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.

Reply:

I wish you will never have to live in a apartment close to one where an escort or several escorts are working. 3 years back I booked a room in the newly opened b&b Heidelberg. In the lift I saw a girl and I immediately smelled the prostitute, her room was just next to mine, I spent a terrible night and next morning complained to the reception where I was told that many customers have done the same. Mixing normal apartments or hotel rooms with working places for prostitutes is just not possible.[/QUOTE]Living a real porn, not fake when harder don't even full enter in pussy, whole night, so funny when sleeping is just waste of time. Funny to hear in hotels sex action, at least not fake porn, usually sound more real.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2453476]Here is a link to future FKK safe sex -.

[URL]https://youtu.be/BT0OPl4pTBc[/URL][/QUOTE]I wonder if they have a large size? Regular often pinches and hurts me when I put it on. Ha!

[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2453547]The craziest thing is that some will pay to have sex in that way or something similar.[/QUOTE]Rule 34 of the Internet.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2453476]Here is a link to future FKK safe sex -.

[URL]https://youtu.be/BT0OPl4pTBc[/URL][/QUOTE]Or maybe not: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2v7jlIBL1A[/URL].

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2453417]Suggestions from the union to the German government to start the brothels again. Interesting.

Who is ready to share their mobile numbers with a prostitute to keep it in the record?

- Girl and suitor must wear face masks. Means: no oral sex, no "oral services".

- Hugs are prohibited, handshakes too.

- No group sex! The letter literally states: "There are never more than two people involved in the. Service at the same time."

- "All contact surfaces" such as beds, couches, chairs must be disinfected.

- The prostitutes should keep the contact details of their customers for four weeks.

[URL]https://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/hamburg-aktuell/hygiene-konzept-fuer-prostituierte-mundschutz-pflicht-keine-orgien-70787010.bild.html[/URL][/QUOTE]All that is stated here is another way of saying no prostitution.

This is good!

Just keep the stash in the room for good sake. Nobody is going to go crazy over it.

Phone numbers is no problem. Haven't you called up a girl for p6 before? Or even traded numbers with FKK girls? Its the same. I got thousands of numbers on my phone. Just name her something else if you got a wife who checks your phone then.

I think Escort services will raise nowadays, until the FFK owners and administration figure out a way to be accepted by Gov and visitors and WG's for safety with interaction, the lack of some services deal breaker to me (oral, kissing, DATY, escorting as I understand not like FFK form all in one roof (eat fuck play sleep watch naked girls all day) Bad for me I did not had the chance to tryout, hope soon.

Happy days to all's.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2453457]But not anymore worthing the trip for brothels, only for interesting Praha.[/QUOTE]Well, Ukrainian girls are actually allowed to work in Czech rep since 2017 or 2018, so perhaps they have started entering that saunaclub too now. I am intrigued by their instagram page at least, so holding it as an option if hessen / nrw clubs stay closed.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2453729]Well, Ukrainian girls are actually allowed to work in Czech rep since 2017 or 2018, so perhaps they have started entering that saunaclub too now. I am intrigued by their instagram page at least, so holding it as an option if hessen / nrw clubs stay closed.[/QUOTE]I don't think many Ukrainians or Russians will work for long time in Praha. Real fresh can t work in Germany now because of registration, this business is now dead in Italy, even before virus. They go to Dubaï but not many return because despite big money but often too difficult sex there. They go to Ibiza to discover party, but more cocaine than regular money. They come to Paris they like a lot, and they also like sea and sun in Spain.

Austrian clubs may open on Summer, Spain and maybe NL should on September. Spain should open for tourism on July. Wish Tarviso border will be opened and would be so happy to find Mila at Wellcum, 2 years after Marina, just to see if she remember, if she is still the not woman hunting when I told her she was pretty but not interesting for me because she was not behaving like a woman, or the little woman with tears in eyes after our sex, when I returned for her, when I didn't go with her on my first visit and not even when I arrived on next day, choosing a beauty but too little girl, not interesting, when from her hunting behavior around the bar, Mila became interesting and real enjoyment in bed, I missed her at Wellcum on last August and didn't see sexy beauties like her. We will just have to be able to adapt to this new world.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2453340]The saunaclub in Prague seems to open now on 25th may![/QUOTE]I travel to Prague quite frequently but far prefer the club scene in Germany and even Austria. Fiddy Cent has written a lot about the Privates in Prague and that seems the way to go. In clubs many girls in Prague are reluctant to provide BBBJ or kissing, there is a sex worker's charity constantly telling them about the evils of BBBJ. I have had some good times in Sexy Sauna Club but that was around 2009 to 2011 and not recently. When I go to Prague I usually only go to Neon club and ask some girls if they will do this or that and find some willing ones, you have to ask.

The other thing about Sexy Sauna Club is a lot girls try to rip you off and upsell, but not upsell by providing additional services for a cost, but rather by reducing what is totally normal and standard and then asking for more money. It is far worse than the upselling in German FKKs, in fact it is pure cheating. This used to be relatively common in Darling Cabaret, a horribly over priced place with ridiculous service.

I have had lots of good times in Pragues, but totally lost interest in the club scene there once I discovered GT Vienna and Germany.

Many the girls will now be very desperate and it will be a different cup of tea, I have also had many good times in Prague, but you have been warned.

One more warning, in Sexy Sauna Club, the entrance fee they will try and get out of you is even more arbitrary than the infamous FKK Oceans. Last time when I walked by last winter, they tried to get 2500 Czech Crowns or 100 Euros out of me, I was not even interested in going in, I just stayed near by and frequently walk up and down that street.

The warnings are sincere, however if anyone wanted to take one for the team and see if this place has changed, I would be grateful.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2453865]I have had lots of good times in Prague, but totally lost interest in the club scene there once I discovered GT Vienna and Germany. Many the girls will now be very desperate and it will be a different cup of tea, I have also had many good times in Prague, but you have been warned.[/QUOTE]I agree with this 100% The club scene in Prague is not as good as what you will find in Austria. And at the same time, what I found in Austria was not on par with what Germany has to offer. Indeed, I would not return to the Czech Republic or Austria for the purpose of mongering. Per my tastes, the three best destinations in Europe for mongering are Germany, Switzerland, and Spain (does not have a sauna club scene, but still good to me).

With these restrictions, it's got to be one helluva optifuck.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-sex-workers-call-to-end-coronavirus-ban/a-53566828?maca=en-EMail-sharing[/URL]

"During meetings with clients, sex workers would have to wear face masks. " What an absurd concept. Do they carry around a picture of themselves?! Sounds enchanting.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2453873]With these restrictions, it's got to be one helluva optifuck.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-sex-workers-call-to-end-coronavirus-ban/a-53566828?maca=en-EMail-sharing[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2453881]"During meetings with clients, sex workers would have to wear face masks. " What an absurd concept. Do they carry around a picture of themselves?! Sounds enchanting.[/QUOTE]I think this is ridiculous as well. Maybe they think this is a first step to open up and then gradually relax the restrictions. It wouldn't be so stupid if they just want to open up. Once in the room, the rules would be hard to enforce of course.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2453865]I travel to Prague quite frequently but far prefer the club scene in Germany and even Austria. Fiddy Cent has written a lot about the Privates in Prague and that seems the way to go. In clubs many girls in Prague are reluctant to provide BBBJ or kissing, there is a sex worker's charity constantly telling them about the evils of BBBJ. I have had some good times in Sexy Sauna Club but that was around 2009 to 2011 and not recently. When I go to Prague I usually only go to Neon club and ask some girls if they will do this or that and find some willing ones, you have to ask.

The other thing about Sexy Sauna Club is a lot girls try to rip you off and upsell, but not upsell by providing additional services for a cost, but rather by reducing what is totally normal and standard and then asking for more money. It is far worse than the upselling in German FKKs, in fact it is pure cheating. This used to be relatively common in Darling Cabaret, a horribly over priced place with ridiculous service.

I have had lots of good times in Pragues, but totally lost interest in the club scene there once I discovered GT Vienna and Germany.

Many the girls will now be very desperate and it will be a different cup of tea, I have also had many good times in Prague, but you have been warned.

One more warning, in Sexy Sauna Club, the entrance fee they will try and get out of you is even more arbitrary than the infamous FKK Oceans. Last time when I walked by last winter, they tried to get 2500 Czech Crowns or 100 Euros out of me, I was not even interested in going in, I just stayed near by and frequently walk up and down that street.

The warnings are sincere, however if anyone wanted to take one for the team and see if this place has changed, I would be grateful.[/QUOTE]I wonder what is the attraction of such clubs when sugar babe sites are becoming more popular with a sufficient number of girls listing availability in Europe. Prices are potentially lower and there is none of this absurdity (no kissing / BBBJ etc.).

FKKs are unique and have their place, especially large German clubs such as Oase, Artemis, etc. The # girls, price, dozens of naked chics available for instant fucking make the FKK concept attractive. But otherwise, these sexy sauna places are just as much a waste of time as US strip clubs.

It is ridiculous so I believe that it's intended to raise awareness that there has been no mention of prostitution in any opening plans. Maybe the clubs will be allowed to open August 31 when mass gatherings are allowed or on July 5 when social distancing [B]might[/B] end, who knows? Nothing has been announced.

What's happening to all the messe events? When will they begin? I think the chance that FKKs will open when messe events are still shut down is quite small.

Forcing masks on girls and guys in sex clubs is a ridiculous idea. For some reason, this discussion refuses to die. German government has been very efficient so far and I don't think they are foolish enough to allow large sex clubs to open if only these clubs enforce masks in the open areas. Germany did not get to be this good in managing this virus outbreak (much better than US or other western nations) by being so foolish.

I dare to broach a question about our hobby.

Except for RTCs the only fully nude clubs I ever had been to in North West Rhinephalia were the former Great Palace, now no longer fully nude, Babylon in Elsdorf (great service but questionable lineup) and Luder Lounge. Does anyone know of any other fully nude clubs in the region?

I guess the RTC are amongst them, but who knows which clubs will survive the onslaught of the pandemic.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2453881]"During meetings with clients, sex workers would have to wear face masks. " What an absurd concept. Do they carry around a picture of themselves?! Sounds enchanting.[/QUOTE]Here you go, here you go! That will be 50 euros extra to take the whole thing off in the room LOL!

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52764355[/URL]

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2453865]The other thing about Sexy Sauna Club is a lot girls try to rip you off and upsell, but not upsell by providing additional services for a cost, but rather by reducing what is totally normal and standard and then asking for more money. It is far worse than the upselling in German FKKs, in fact it is pure cheating. This used to be relatively common in Darling Cabaret, a horribly over priced place with ridiculous service.[/QUOTE]OK, if the cheating in Sexy Sauna is comparable to Darling Cabaret, then fuck it. No way I would waste my time there. I was at Darling Cabaret once and experienced that. The girl was insanely hot, but the service was equally insanely bad.

Heaven 7 had some FKK days last year.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2453894]I dare to broach a question about our hobby.

Except for RTCs the only fully nude clubs I ever had been to in North West Rhinephalia were the former Great Palace, now no longer fully nude, Babylon in Elsdorf (great service but questionable lineup) and Luder Lounge. Does anyone know of any other fully nude clubs in the region?

I guess the RTC are amongst them, but who knows which clubs will survive the onslaught of the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Sauna club Venus, not RTC Villa Venus. Also Bernds.

Oase and Sharks are not anymore real FKK, not anymore many girls full naked like Nadia at Oase, a real David Hamilton, milky skin full natural nymphet, when many others have fishnet or bra. I don't understand, they spend their money to put silicon so they should show proudly, but maybe they heard about Roxana Sharks failure for business after silicon, and they hide plastic and scars. Waste of money. World is still a bit FKK, some small clubs keep on for full naked.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2453887]It is ridiculous so I believe that it's intended to raise awareness that there has been no mention of prostitution in any opening plans. Maybe the clubs will be allowed to open August 31 when mass gatherings are allowed or on July 5 when social distancing [B]might[/B] end, who knows? Nothing has been announced.[/QUOTE]I think the bottom line is a significant decrease in infections. If the number of new infections dramatically decrease by July we may very well get an August resumption of our favorite clubs.

Harmony is full FKK on Fridays. I agree every club should always be FKK except maybe one day a week when girls can wear lingerie. At the moment it's the opposite in most clubs.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2455204]Harmony is full FKK on Fridays. I agree every club should always be FKK except maybe one day a week when girls can wear lingerie. At the moment it's the opposite in most clubs.[/QUOTE]Less and less full naked girls at Sharks and Oase.

L found super desirable when my best Eve wore white lingerie and stockings, looking like a bride, looking at me with round eyes when I put off her stockings and pantie, so I asked her: I'm the only one to put off? I think what also interested me was she was married and divorced, a bit like in my life. I enjoy to see cumming girls who have BF or pimp, quite the same, asking for a car from her first month earning.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2454104]I think the bottom line is a significant decrease in infections. If the number of new infections dramatically decrease by July we may very well get an August resumption of our favorite clubs.[/QUOTE]Warm seem to help versus virus which seem to be stronger around 10 Celsius degrees, but increasing in South America, so many problems and not only virus now in US, but what will happen in Autumn when temperature will fall? Maybe also better to avoid AC when hot seem more safe.

Swiss Imperium brothels chain open 2 small clubs on next Saturday, maybe because not enough Romanians or maybe also to test? Before opening number 1 big Globe nearly 2 weeks later, maybe waiting for at least inside Europe except probably UK opening? Or more Romanians arriving for money? Or if spreading?

Maybe Germany will look at what will happen in Zurich which is a little Germany, with many brothels and many international guys, even only Europeans should be allowed for a while, even loss for tourism income.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2455447]Warm seem to help versus virus which seem to be stronger around 10 Celsius degrees, but increasing in South America, so many problems and not only virus now in US, but what will happen in Autumn when temperature will fall? Maybe also better to avoid AC when hot seem more safe.

Swiss Imperium brothels chain open 2 small clubs on next Saturday, maybe because not enough Romanians or maybe also to test? Before opening number 1 big Globe nearly 2 weeks later, maybe waiting for at least inside Europe except probably UK opening? Or more Romanians arriving for money? Or if spreading?

Maybe Germany will look at what will happen in Zurich which is a little Germany, with many brothels and many international guys, even only Europeans should be allowed for a while, even loss for tourism income.[/QUOTE]Seems is the clue here. Because Brazil is pretty badly hit while the country is far from cold.

I watched Joe Rogans interview the other day with some woman talking about vitamin the intake, and how that affects the virus protection. So I'd rather put my trust in that than on the heat given what we see in Brazil.

In that sense, it is quite silly to stay locked indoors, if the sun with its vitamin the bolstering effect is what saves us.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2455447]Warm seem to help versus virus which seem to be stronger around 10 Celsius degrees............[/QUOTE]Sharks is so hot during summer months that I stopped going in summer and opted for colder months which is why I was there in January, February, March this year. Covid made me miss April. I am happy I decided against spring, summer visit otherwise I would not have had a 2020 FKK experience. With covid the better time to visit FKK would be summer so no more complaining about the heat.

Yep! The heat and sun will be our friends. I will take it with a smile if things are open this summer.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2455564]Sharks is so hot during summer months that I stopped going in summer and opted for colder months which is why I was there in January, February, March this year. Covid made me miss April. I am happy I decided against spring, summer visit otherwise I would not have had a 2020 FKK experience. With covid the better time to visit FKK would be summer so no more complaining about the heat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2455564]Sharks is so hot during summer months that I stopped going in summer and opted for colder months which is why I was there in January, February, March this year. Covid made me miss April. I am happy I decided against spring, summer visit otherwise I would not have had a 2020 FKK experience. With covid the better time to visit FKK would be summer so no more complaining about the heat.[/QUOTE]I like chalets in Sharks garden, and I block too cold AC because just to catch cold. Sexual sweat, when not too smelly, is erotic.

So much discussion here about FKK reopening. One possibility is a new business model. The whole bar / pool / garden concept may have to go away and be replaced by more of a brothel line up. You show up. Wait in a room. Girls line up (with masks), you choose and go to a room. Much less transmission potential. Then you discuss price / business inside the room with the understanding that standard FKK pricing applies. This solves the problem of location and cost and allows girls to get multiple clients per day. Its not nearly as much fun for us as being surrounded by hot naked women and their sales pitches! I personally wouldn't find it worth my while to travel for this kind of experience but for horny local mongers it may be OK.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2455915]So much discussion here about FKK reopening. One possibility is a new business model. The whole bar / pool / garden concept may have to go away and be replaced by more of a brothel line up. You show up. Wait in a room. Girls line up (with masks), you choose and go to a room. Much less transmission potential. Then you discuss price / business inside the room with the understanding that standard FKK pricing applies. This solves the problem of location and cost and allows girls to get multiple clients per day. Its not nearly as much fun for us as being surrounded by hot naked women and their sales pitches! I personally wouldn't find it worth my while to travel for this kind of experience but for horny local mongers it may be OK.[/QUOTE]With that concept they cannot charge for entrance into the establishment.

So lame. I hope it goes back to the good ole days. Such an overblown risk.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2455915]So much discussion here about FKK reopening. One possibility is a new business model. The whole bar / pool / garden concept may have to go away and be replaced by more of a brothel line up. You show up. Wait in a room. Girls line up (with masks), you choose and go to a room. Much less transmission potential. Then you discuss price / business inside the room with the understanding that standard FKK pricing applies. This solves the problem of location and cost and allows girls to get multiple clients per day. Its not nearly as much fun for us as being surrounded by hot naked women and their sales pitches! I personally wouldn't find it worth my while to travel for this kind of experience but for horny local mongers it may be OK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2455915]So much discussion here about FKK reopening. One possibility is a new business model. The whole bar / pool / garden concept may have to go away and be replaced by more of a brothel line up. You show up. Wait in a room. Girls line up (with masks), you choose and go to a room. Much less transmission potential. Then you discuss price / business inside the room with the understanding that standard FKK pricing applies. This solves the problem of location and cost and allows girls to get multiple clients per day. Its not nearly as much fun for us as being surrounded by hot naked women and their sales pitches! I personally wouldn't find it worth my while to travel for this kind of experience but for horny local mongers it may be OK.[/QUOTE]Girls will not line up like cheap prostitutes for you to choose for many reasons. One is that most of them believe they are high class escorts and they don't do things like that.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2453894]I dare to broach a question about our hobby.

Except for RTCs the only fully nude clubs I ever had been to in North West Rhinephalia were the former Great Palace, now no longer fully nude, Babylon in Elsdorf (great service but questionable lineup) and Luder Lounge. Does anyone know of any other fully nude clubs in the region?

I guess the RTC are amongst them, but who knows which clubs will survive the onslaught of the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Apart from the answers from others, I would suggest also Finca, as it is only 18 miles from the border of NRW. Total, traditional, FKK.

From my most recent scouting tour, days before the lockdown, I can highly recommend FKK Venus in Hamminkeln. Located near Duisburg, north of Dusseldorf. Very posh club with very charming girls and reasonable pricing 40 for 30. Train station directly opposite of the club. Tends to be more a daytime location. Full lineup present already as of 1 pm.

Best FKK club I've been to in a long time.

One of the most famous clubs, Happy Garden, is located in the area, too. In Tönisvorst, northwest of Dusseldorf. Great in summer with a well tended open air area, barbecue, pools, jacuzzis etc.

Both still temporarily closed because of the pandemic at this point, as all the other clubs.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456074]Apart from the answers from others, I would suggest also Finca, as it is only 18 miles from the border of NRW. Total, traditional, FKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456074]Apart from the answers from others, I would suggest also Finca, as it is only 18 miles from the border of NRW. Total, traditional, FKK.[/QUOTE]But I have read on this forum that the lineup at this club is far from optimal, or to be desired. What I have found is that with the exception of Artemis, the clubs in the North of Germany are not fully nude and in the South they tend to be. Around Frankfurt, Badem Wurtemberg (Stuttgart) and Bavaria clubs tend to be fully nude, which is what I actually prefer.

The vast majority of clubs in North West Rhinephalia are not like this for some reason, with a few notable exceptions and the RTCs, where in my opinion, having only been to two of them, the lineup is far from desirable.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2455915]So much discussion here about FKK reopening. One possibility is a new business model. The whole bar / pool / garden concept may have to go away and be replaced by more of a brothel line up. You show up. Wait in a room. Girls line up (with masks), you choose and go to a room. Much less transmission potential. Then you discuss price / business inside the room with the understanding that standard FKK pricing applies. This solves the problem of location and cost and allows girls to get multiple clients per day. Its not nearly as much fun for us as being surrounded by hot naked women and their sales pitches! I personally wouldn't find it worth my while to travel for this kind of experience but for horny local mongers it may be OK.[/QUOTE]Surely the current club concept would work in the garden as being outside is as scientists have stated much safer than being inside as long as the one metre rule is applied?

During summer the outside temperature is fine throughout the night and as the cooler evenings commence a few garden heaters would keep everyone warm enough. Then as winter approaches hopefully the virus will be less prevalent or a vaccine / new drugs to reduce the effects would be available.

Maybe I'm being unusually optimistic?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2427855]I like fappening than porn.

I fucked Maria ozawa and rola takizawa and it was worth every penny. For me, every penny I spend on beautiful young tutes are not waste of money, but I choose carefully as it is not quantity, but quality, but I aim to have quantity of quality as I advance into future as a professional mongers.

I love to fuck white porn stars, I have not done that yet. I wonder where I can do that? I see some escort sites before in Prague, so maybe there? Any good porn star escort in Germany that is real?[/QUOTE]Can you give me the contact to fuck Maria Ozawa? She's my dream! I'm same like you, me too I travel all around the world and I love porn movies and I fuck many pornstars! I fucked Jynx Maze, Veronica Rodriguez, Angel Dark, Jennifer Stone, Ellen Saint, Julie Silver, Kristina Rose, Susy Gala, Apolonia Lapiedra, Jade Presley. Some with condoms, some bareback!

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2456097]But I have read on this forum that the lineup at this club is far from optimal, or to be desired.[/QUOTE]That's spam. Exactly like when you get ten 'enlarge your penis" mails in your mailbox in a week, doesn't mean that it will actually work.

[QUOTE=PirateReborn;2456091]From my most recent scouting tour, days before the lockdown, I can highly recommend FKK Venus in Hamminkeln. Located near Duisburg, north of Dusseldorf. Very posh club with very charming girls and reasonable pricing 40 for 30. Train station directly opposite of the club. Tends to be more a daytime location. Full lineup present already as of 1 pm.[/QUOTE]I rather think that's 50 € for 30 min.

Brothels and prostitution facilities are allowed again in German state of Rhineland-Palatinate from June 10th. This comes from the ninth Corona control ordinance of the state government, which was published late Thursday evening (June 4):

https://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/pfa...r-shisha-bars-und-bordelle-_arid,5072346.html


Ninth Corona Control Ordinance Rhineland-Palatinate (9th CoBeVO) from June 4, 2020.:

[URL]https://corona.rlp.de/fileadmin/rlp-stk/pdf-Dateien/Corona/9_bekaempfungsverordnung/9._CoBeLVO.pdf[/URL]


The state government has even published the right hygiene concept for prostitution facilities, brothels and similar facilities:

https://corona.rlp.de/fileadmin/rlp-stk/pdf-Dateien/Corona/9_bekaempfungsverordnung/Hygienekonzept_Bordelle.pdf

Things are looking better and better each day in Europe. More countries are opening up, more flights are resumed. In the coming weeks it will be interesting to see how the brothels that are opening around Europe are handling the business practically. Probably some will push boundaries, possibly they will get away with it considering the need to get economy going and society to get back to normality. By August I guess that everything will be so much better: we will see several FKKs / clubs that are operating close to normal, pre-corona: 50-100 customers, No facemasks, OK to mingle at least outside, kissing and oral without performed in the room, possibly without the open OK from the business and authorities, a little bit like OWO in 2019. Of course it is too early to say / hope now and but I am optimistic.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2455447]
Swiss Imperium brothels chain open 2 small clubs on next Saturday // number 1 big Globe nearly 2 weeks later,

Maybe Germany will look at what will happen in Zurich which is a little Germany, with many brothels and many international guys, [/QUOTE]

According to the detailed rules I would need to wear a mask, and give my name and address

I note that clubs and discotheque are to remain closed but prostitution can resume. So I am not yet sure if Finca can open.

Will be a sausage fest if it is the only FKK open

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2456097]But I have read on this forum that the lineup at this club is far from optimal, or to be desired. What I have found is that with the exception of Artemis, the clubs in the North of Germany are not fully nude and in the South they tend to be. Around Frankfurt, Badem Wurtemberg (Stuttgart) and Bavaria clubs tend to be fully nude, which is what I actually prefer.

The vast majority of clubs in North West Rhinephalia are not like this for some reason, with a few notable exceptions and the RTCs, where in my opinion, having only been to two of them, the lineup is far from desirable.[/QUOTE]Lineup is of course subjective. I think nobody would equate the LU at Finca with an rtc. Nearly all the comments about Finca LU being poor have come from one poster. But that suits me as I don't want the club overwhelmed by new visitors.

Anyway, good luck.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456221]According to the detailed rules I would need to wear a mask, and give my name and address

I note that clubs and discotheque are to remain closed but prostitution can resume. So I am not yet sure if Finca can open.

Will be a sausage fest if it is the only FKK open[/QUOTE]No problem for me to give my ID and phone, I have nothing to hide, everybody know I m a bad guy, but according to new Swiss rules, no way for me for reverse cowgirl with mask and gloves, not my erotic kamasutra.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456221]According to the detailed rules I would need to wear a mask, and give my name and address

I note that clubs and discotheque are to remain closed but prostitution can resume. So I am not yet sure if Finca can open.

Will be a sausage fest if it is the only FKK open[/QUOTE]You are right. Finca can reopen from June 10 according to the new rule. But as I read on German board, it is better to wait until after June 15 when Romanian WGs are allowed to come back to work.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456221]Will be a sausage fest if it is the only FKK open[/QUOTE]I suspect your prediction will be true. But I will wait and see.

I am not sure how many people monitor sex boards on a daily basis so the news of re-opening may trickle to some mongers later. Some might be hesitant for a the following reasons: (1) contact tracing, (2) health concerns, and (3) what percentage of LU is actually present. But if it is the only club open, then perhaps people from further afield are willing to make the pilgrimage and that convergence offset those that are hesitant.

I guess the most optimistic scenario is all the WGs from across Germany also converge and sell their services at what will be thee only open FKK club. All the top optics who previously would not have considered Finca could audition there. I do not think that is a likely scenario but we shall see. It may poison the culture of one of your favorite clubs, if it becomes packed with WGs and mongers! That might also increase the chances of an outbreak and cause the authorities to shut down the club once more.

The other question is will they cap the entry at a certain number? Dierdorf is a long way to drive if there is a long waiting list to get in, because only 30 mongers are allowed to be inside at any point in time.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2456229]You are right. Finca can reopen from June 10 according to the new rule. But as I read on German board, it is better to wait until after June 15 when Romanian WGs are allowed to come back to work.[/QUOTE]For sure, better Romania be back in FKK land because Germans may follow much closer new rules and not work for only 50 if only German WGs, and Romanians are prettier with better look and hygiene care and more interesting as women for me.

Globe could open tomorrow, but wait until 19, even better foods than at Finca.

McAdonis. Yes. Best wait a while to see how pans out. Not sure where the figure of 30 guests comes in.

Not going to speculate any more, as facts will soon be available. There have been hundreds of speculative posts in FKK threads in recent months and I am not sure they have been any use as a predictor of what is really about to happen.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456341]McAdonis. Yes. Best wait a while to see how pans out. Not sure where the figure of 30 guests comes in.

Not going to speculate any more, as facts will soon be available. There have been hundreds of speculative posts in FKK threads in recent months and I am not sure they have been any use as a predictor of what is really about to happen.[/QUOTE]That was just the first figure that came to my head. Not based on anything. Everything indoors (fitness center, restaurants) seem to have minimum spacing requirements.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2456287]For sure, better Romania be back in FKK land because Germans may follow much closer new rules and not work for only 50 if only German WGs, and Romanians are prettier with better look and hygiene care and more interesting as women for me.

Globe could open tomorrow, but wait until 19, even better foods than at Finca.[/QUOTE]Business starting today with some Globe girls for nearly half rate at Swiss Dietikon Zurich. Austria telling for 1 July.

Sea is beautiful in South of France, my holidays on this week end, waiting with no hurry for beauties, my only interest to drive to brothels land.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456341] There have been hundreds of speculative posts in FKK threads in recent months and I am not sure they have been any use as a predictor of what is really about to happen.[/QUOTE]+1, I was actually a professional speculator and know that these kinds of things like when the FKK clubs will reopen are almost impossible to predict. If anyone asked prime minister of Rhineland-Palatinate when Finca could reopen a month ago, he wouldn't know that either at that time.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2456285]

The other question is will they cap the entry at a certain number? [/QUOTE]Yes for now, as it states in one of the links in my initial post on this subject:

"The admissibility of the use of saunas and wellness areas is to be assessed in compliance with the Corona Control Ordinance in the currently applicable version and the relevant hygiene concepts. ".

You live in Germany and know that now there is maximum number of peope allowed in each store based on how big the shopping area of that store is. The same will apply to the clubs.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2456458]You live in Germany and know that now there is maximum number of people allowed in each store based on how big the shopping area of that store is. The same will apply to the clubs.[/QUOTE]Social distancing will be a problem in most clubs but it was going to end on August 30th according to the Germany master plan. Has there been any change to that?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2456463]Social distancing will be a problem in most clubs but it was going to end on August 30th according to the Germany master plan. Has there been any change to that?[/QUOTE]As far as I know, no.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2456341] There have been hundreds of speculative posts in FKK threads in recent months and I am not sure they have been any use as a predictor of what is really about to happen.[/QUOTE]Many believe the puritans in the Bundestag will try to hold off reopening for as long as possible. I think they will soon change their minds, as hungry girls take to the streets, looking for business alongside churches and schools. From the perspective of "respectable citizens," the brothel system is the lesser of two evils. It is a system of [B]containment[/B]. The girls can be forced to register, and even taxed. At least that's the idea, though many resist it and rightly so I think.

Anyway I would speculate: the FKKs will be back sooner rather than later. In Switzerland they already reopened: today.

Seems like the optimists were right and clubs are opening sooner than we thought. Switzerland is first as I predicted with Austria and Germany to follow soon I bet.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2456740]Seems like the optimists were right and clubs are opening sooner than we thought. Switzerland is first as I predicted with Austria and Germany to follow soon I bet.[/QUOTE]But Switzerland with only few girls, no kissing and CBJ for more expensive, and rules are more strict in Switzerland than in Germany, and Swiss are used to pay expensive, even for average level. Seemed gay clubs at least at Swiss Dietikon around Zurich. Even when Globe will open, really no hurry for such low level of sex for such expensive rate. Had to register to go to room. No public sex allowed, good for me.

Yes, Austrians are telling to open on 1 July.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2456203]Brothels and prostitution facilities are allowed again in German state of Rhineland-Palatinate from June 10th. This comes from the ninth Corona control ordinance of the state government, which was published late Thursday evening (June 4):

https://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/pfa...r-shisha-bars-und-bordelle-_arid,5072346.html


Ninth Corona Control Ordinance Rhineland-Palatinate (9th CoBeVO) from June 4, 2020.[/QUOTE]I suppose that should make Optimist happy. But aside from Finca Erotica, which other decent or good FKK's are there in Rhineland Pfalz?

And do you have updates on other states also?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2457049]And do you have updates on other states also?[/QUOTE]You missed the post in a different FKK thread, Rhineland-Palatinate backed off yesterday and will not be opening brothels until the same time as other states.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2456740]Seems like the optimists were right and clubs are opening sooner than we thought. Switzerland is first as I predicted with Austria and Germany to follow soon I bet.[/QUOTE]With beautiful Freubad already opened and girls for 100/30, Amesia tell on 19 June, wait for Milena, Yiulia and EMA, and Globe, Switzerland should be on full business on end of month if Romanians are allowed to enter after 15 June. About new rules, Amesia and Freubad should be easier flexible than Globe. Wait and see for Austria on July, would be so happy to find Mila 2 years after, just to see if she remember experience. Already started my enjoyable Summer on 2 last week ends in mountains starting climbing, at sea but so cold in south France, in Verdon canyon for what a run on Sunday at 6 am and beautiful green water for Sainte Croix lake, I understand why small France is number 1 for tourism, wonderful country to enjoy, even top of Mont Ventoux was still closed, really incredible on June. Switzerland is closer to my mountains and Austria is close to my beloved Dolomiti I look forward returning to. I want my Summer to be great when couldn't have my Winter, to wait until Christmas, wishing will be enough snow not to kill skis on rocks like on last Christmas.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2457152]You missed the post in a different FKK thread, Rhineland-Palatinate backed off yesterday and will not be opening brothels until the same time as other states.[/QUOTE]Just have to learn patience for Germany, compare to Switzerland, Austria soon and even Paris where we have available girls. When I find a desirable girl, I enjoy to taste her weekly, but I don t miss too much since 3 months, only 6 times with escorts with 4 times with Russian model on Instagram Olga discovered under confined with no business so we met out of her management, but when I saw too many full condoms in bathroom after confined, even still a real sweet full GFE, natural beauty, but I lost desire for her, dirty new image of her, desire gone. But since 2 week ends, I make my eyes smile in so beautiful France, great start for holidays.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2457049] But aside from Finca Erotica, which other decent or good FKK's are there in Rhineland Pfalz?

And do you have updates on other states also?[/QUOTE]DownandUp is correct and Rhineland-Palatinate backed off from brothel reopening until the brothels in other states are allowed to reopen because they don't want to become the hub of sex tourism.

No update with regards to FKK clubs in other states. Escort service is allowed now in Lower Saxony state and see this link:

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/meldungen/ladiesde-informiert-haus-und-hotelbesuche-in-nds-wieder-moeglich-9803749[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52977940[/URL]

If WHO to be trusted, I guess this is a game changer, only people with symptoms are dangerous to spread the Virus, others are very rare, in that case measure temperature would be enough.

But I guess WHO is not trusted anymore.

WHO immediately walked back the comments: [URL]https://www.axios.com/who-asymptomatic-coronavirus-69c56ce3-41e0-4ea7-ab2a-de866713b4cf.html[/URL].

More research is needed re: asymptomatic vs presymptomatic.

Also, I trust WHO a lot more than Trump!

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2457208][URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52977940[/URL]

If WHO to be trusted, I guess this is a game changer, only people with symptoms are dangerous to spread the Virus, others are very rare, in that case measure temperature would be enough.

But I guess WHO is not trusted anymore.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2457248]WHO immediately walked back the comments: [URL]https://www.axios.com/who-asymptomatic-coronavirus-69c56ce3-41e0-4ea7-ab2a-de866713b4cf.html[/URL].

More research is needed re: asymptomatic vs presymptomatic.

Also, I trust WHO a lot more than Trump![/QUOTE]I don't trust Trump either. But I do trust Five Eyes. And they say there is a nefarious relationship between WHO and China. Take anything WHO says with a healthy pinch of salt. Happy Mongering (hopefully soon)!

Just have to learn patience for Germany, compare to Switzerland, Austria soon and even Paris where we have available girls. When I find a desirable girl, I enjoy to taste her weekly, but I don t miss too much since 3 months, only 6 times with escorts with 4 times with Russian model on Instagram Olga discovered under confined with no business so we met out of her management, but when I saw too many full condoms in bathroom after confined, even still a real sweet full GFE, natural beauty, but I lost desire for her, dirty new image of her, desire gone. But since 2 week ends, I make my eyes smile in so beautiful France, great start for holidays.

I never believe a prostitute, even she says low business this is just cheating. Prostitutes want money so they are ready to get fucked 20+ times every day, they will never refuse any client. So happy to be out of this game, just because I was able to control my sex addiction. Today my head is clean and clear and I am making the good choices for me and not for the prostitutes or FKK owner, escort agency. Pimps. Wish you all can do the same.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2457256]Just have to learn patience for Germany, compare to Switzerland, Austria soon and even Paris where we have available girls. When I find a desirable girl, I enjoy to taste her weekly, but I don t miss too much since 3 months, only 6 times with escorts with 4 times with Russian model on Instagram Olga discovered under confined with no business so we met out of her management, but when I saw too many full condoms in bathroom after confined, even still a real sweet full GFE, natural beauty, but I lost desire for her, dirty new image of her, desire gone. But since 2 week ends, I make my eyes smile in so beautiful France, great start for holidays.

I never believe a prostitute, even she says low business this is just cheating. Prostitutes want money so they are ready to get fucked 20+ times every day, they will never refuse any client. So happy to be out of this game, just because I was able to control my sex addiction. Today my head is clean and clear and I am making the good choices for me and not for the prostitutes or FKK owner, escort agency. Pimps. Wish you all can do the same.[/QUOTE]Expatlover aka sirioja = I don't Share your opinion, but I miss so much FKK. I can't wait to go back in Dusseldorf.

[QUOTE=GentlemanSait;2457271]Expatlover aka sirioja = I don't Share your opinion, but I miss so much FKK. I can't wait to go back in Dusseldorf.[/QUOTE]I may return to NRW without needing brothels to open.

I have only one profile Sirioja since I started here on end of 2014, and same before on another forum, and nobody else is me, even another French tried to use my name. I don't need to use several profiles, like some others do.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2457152]You missed the post in a different FKK thread, Rhineland-Palatinate backed off yesterday and will not be opening brothels until the same time as other states.[/QUOTE]I just started off with the wrong thread. Happens sometimes, and I cannot edit due to Admin.

[QUOTE=GentlemanSait;2457271]Expatlover aka sirioja = I don't Share your opinion, but I miss so much FKK. I can't wait to go back in Dusseldorf.[/QUOTE]You're not the only one, but the most addicted pay sex junkies live in denial. They just can't admit that they have nothing else in their life.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2457297]I don't need to use several profiles, like some others do.[/QUOTE]I have never understood why one or two guys (I guess) feel the need to have many handles.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2457447]I have never understood why one or two guys (I guess) feel the need to have many handles.[/QUOTE]Not only 1 or 2, but much more. Also many fakers and many jealous.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2457248]Also, I trust WHO a lot more than Trump![/QUOTE]Wait, you don't trust the guy who said the virus would miraculously go away by April?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2457447]I have never understood why one or two guys (I guess) feel the need to have many handles.[/QUOTE]Because according to research, the sheep trusts the so called majority consensus. The same way it was found out that these things such as 'scientific consensuses' are useful as lobbying tactics. So if you manage to agree with yourself through several handles, that can sway the herd into agreeing with yourself. No matter how far out you may be.

If someone takes the discussions on this board so serious as to care about such a thing, I can see why. But it can easily be seen through if the guy is a total newbie and amateur (like the guy here), thus harming his image multiple times over. Staying with just one account / handle lands more into the theory regarding the symmetrical two-way transparent communication method, and is always the most efficient in the long run.

I believe there was a graph once made regarding how many posts you can make on such multiple handle internet accounts before the opinion figures you out. And as you need a retain amount of posts to even attain a resume, it is a very fine line to thread. On discussion boards like this maybe only 1 out of 100 professionals manages it. Russia studies this a lot by the way. On stock market forums where you are only after quick short triggers, it is far more effective however.

Interesting fact kinda related to this. Some politicians have recently started demanding payment if asked to go against the general opinion of other politicians.

Kinda showing how strong this herd mentality is all around us. And how easy politics can be swayed.

The reason cited by the politicians when petitioned, was emotional stress related to standing out as a black sheep.

Comments were made here of sex addiction and claims of it being to fill an otherwise empty life. This may be true of many things, alcohol and drugs or being a workaholic. The list is endless. Expat lover argument is misconceived. We do enrich the FKKs and hookers, but that is also true of banks, coffee shops, airlines and supermarkets. It is called consumption of services.

Sex is hard wired into living species and it feels good. Most of the people here simply follow the equivalent of varying their meals at restaurants rather than the same re-heated freezer pack day after day. Our hobby is an accessory to life rather than the core. Just as a glass of wine with a lovely meal is good. Moderation and perspective is part of this hobby, though perhaps should be added to the instruction manual in case some skipped life classes.

If mongering is bad, then what is the good and better alternative? Marriage? Seeking arrangement (polite hooker-dom) ? Casual flings ? Each have their own cost-benefit analysis. Marriage is a huge bucket of risk; the statistics are grim. Mongers have careers, friends and family in real life, and many here I have met are very hard working. They lack time to play elaborate games to get access to beautiful women. Many have disproportionate disposable income. Here, we get to point and click, and get access to a stunning collection of prime young women as we please, a privilege that was formerly reserved only for kings and princes. We also get contraception, fast and safe air travel and medical care that even 50 years ago was unavailable to even kings and heads of state. The goal of our hobby is normal and natural. It is the mad social rules and lack of rational thought that creates unhappiness, discontent and bad laws.

Long live access to gorgeous young women and the joy of life, inside and outside of the hobby. Women are far more voracious sexually than they let on, and unlike the male, they can easily do 10 guys a day. There was clever, funny lovely young girl in a documentary "Mega Brothel". She had 15,000 customers. I'd happily have her as a platonic friend. And she no doubt created a lot of smiles and joy. Not a bad thing to contribute to society. Many of the old, ugly, handicapped would otherwise be unfilled if it were not for these ladies. And many healthy men got a nice kick.

May the COVID thing end. I have a lot of catching up to do. Legs over my shoulder, all the way in, 2nd girl cupping my balls as the other is taken anally or vaginally. Then a giggle, cuddle and rest and do it all over again. YAY!

Since the FKK closures I've read numerous posts on this forum, looked for the latest info & any details of a resumption. Like many I've had hopes raised then lowered.

I live outside Germany but often visit the Frankfurt Clubs 9/10 times a year but trying to fully understand the general mood of the politicians / situation from afar is difficult so I have a small amount of questions please?

1: Is the news definite that FKK's won't open anytime before 16 August in the Frankfurt area?

2: Is there ANY reasonable chance that Clubs outside Hessen in Germany will open much earlier than 16 August?

3: Having only visited German Clubs how do the Zurich clubs compare?

I'm considering next month looking for a Club that's near Zurich airport & similar to the Sharks prices & set up.

I keep in contact with some of the Club girls who (unsurprisingly) invite me to visit them but it doesn't interest me. If I was looking for an Escort I could see one in my own country, it's the Club atmosphere & numerous naked girls that I miss.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[QUOTE=Canary;2457753]
1: Is the news definite that FKK's won't open anytime before 16 August in the Frankfurt area?[/QUOTE]The simple answer is no, nobody knows exactly when clubs will re-open.

[QUOTE=Canary;2457753]2: Is there ANY reasonable chance that Clubs outside Hessen in Germany will open much earlier than 16 August?[/QUOTE]No, read here [URL]https://www.rheinpfalz.de/politik/rheinland-pfalz_artikel[/URL], -sextourismus-bef%C3%BCrchtet-rheinland-pfalz-stoppt-%C3%B6 ffnung-der-bordelle-_arid,5073611. Html.

""Government now wants "unity of the federal states" in brothels".

So seems brothels will re-open in the same days in all the federal states.

[QUOTE=Canary;2457753]3: Having only visited German Clubs how do the Zurich clubs compare?[/QUOTE]Swiss is more expensive.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2457424]You're not the only one, but the most addicted pay sex junkies live in denial. They just can't admit that they have nothing else in their life.[/QUOTE]Congrats on post #1400!

Be patient the brothels will open sooner or later. Besides isn't escorting allowed?

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2457842]Be patient the brothels will open sooner or later. Besides isn't escorting allowed?[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm pretty sure some German brothels, maybe not all, should reopen, when despite new law, RTC which should have been forbidden, were still working. But Germany is big, from Romania and a bit Bulgaria, brothels land attracting sexual tourists from all over the world, so, more risky than small expensive Switzerland and small Austria. And Germans don t move much to go to brothels, most are quite stuck to neighbor brothels, not many will go to expensive Switzerland or 70/30 Austria, when moving is risk to move also virus. If only small Finca opened, then small Dierdorf would have become Germany capital. Wait and see about borders, when opening at least inside Western Europe, I think Romanians who are registered already started to return to Switzerland, and then, even without brothels, can meet, when girls are more important than brothels for me.

Changing the subject which cities in Germany do you think has the options for paid sex? Doesn't matter which type.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2457842]Besides isn't escorting allowed?[/QUOTE]Yes, in some Lands escort to your home or hotel is allowed.

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/meldungen/ladiesde-informiert-haus-und-hotelbesuche-in-nds-wieder-moeglich-9803749[/URL]

[URL]http://www.rechtsprechung.niedersachsen.juris.de/jportal/portal/page/bsndprod.psml?doc.id=MWRE200002071&st=ent&doctyp=juris-r&showdoccase=1&paramfromHL=true[/URL]#focuspoint.

[QUOTE=Canary;2457753]3: Having only visited German Clubs how do the Zurich clubs compare?

I'm considering next month looking for a Club that's near Zurich airport & similar to the Sharks prices & set up.

I keep in contact with some of the Club girls who (unsurprisingly) invite me to visit them but it doesn't interest me. If I was looking for an Escort I could see one in my own country, it's the Club atmosphere & numerous naked girls that I miss.

[/QUOTE]Out of interest were the club girls still in Germany or back in Romania?

I don't think you'll find any club anywhere with a setup the size of Sharks. In Zurich I've only been to Globe and only a few times, Globe isn't too far from the airport. Prices are a lot more than Sharks, 130 euro for half an hour. Looks wise, every man has different views, I'd say the most attractive girls in Sharks are on par with the most attractive girls in Globe, you won't get any duds in Globe though, there won't be a 70 year old Italian chasing you! For service I'd say Globe was better, although it's unknown what the service will be like when it re-opens, you don't get short changed for time in Globe either, 1 hour is 1 hour no, trying to cut the time short in the room.

For me even if Sharks and Globe charged the same I'd still go to Sharks, I much prefer the setup with the large outdoor area and I just didn't find Globe as much fun, Sharks has got a good atmosphere and there are only a couple of days a week the girls are naked in Globe plus there aren't as many of them.

I am considering another visit to Globe given Sharks being closed, it's a good club but I'm much more of a Sharks person, I really hope it reopens soon.

For sure, Globe which is club number 1 in Switzerland can t compete with Sharks for the club, for garden, for rooms, not even for foods, nor Formula 1 when they look at me like alien when I ask for. Of course, no problem to watch ski which is a religion in Switzerland and Austria, I don t even need to ask, I can eat at Amesia watching Worldcup, like at home, I followed on 2016 a wow Romanian woman type, after only 1 room when I asked her to extend to perform better for a second round, she was a Hessen legend, from Hessen to Globe, for what a welcome she gave me when she saw me, when she was busy superstar at Globe, when I m a tramp at Globe, but: because I know how you treat me, even I refused some diners with her because I didn't want to have sex with her because of some bad images, even she stopped with clients in public when she saw me, even I was nothing for money among her 30 000 per month, but like in other clubs I was her first choice and only this level of girls interest me. Wish you the best with your best life gift, can you send me your twin, because unfortunately Globe is not anymore on wow level, too expensive for looks now, even I m happy for Megan, when a beauty trust a bad French guy, I m sure she doesn't regret Sharks. In Switzerland, I know only Freubad which can compete with Sharks for the club. No garden in Zurich clubs, no more swimming pool at Globe which had the best warm swimming pool, but fell since 2019, when I had prettier girls at Oase. Only roof terrace at Globe with bad new beds.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2457842]Be patient the brothels will open sooner or later. Besides isn't escorting allowed?[/QUOTE]Like the other guy said, who cares about escorting? We are here on the FKK forum for the FKK experience. Not a wank.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2457905]..................I am considering another visit to Globe given Sharks being closed, it's a good club but I'm much more of a Sharks person, I really hope it reopens soon.[/QUOTE]During my last visit to Sharks which was March 16, the day before they closed the club was eerily quiet and I got the opportunity to chat with the staff who were quite open to conversation. Before that all I did was greet them. On that day I spent a lot of time talking to the front desk staff telling them about myself, my job and my home and travels and in turn they told me about themselves. We laughed and joked and the good-byes at the end of that visit were notable. Germans are very curious people, they're cold and harsh on the outside but that masks quite a warm interior. It would be interesting to know what they have been up to in the interim.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2457744]Comments were made here of sex addiction and claims of it being to fill an otherwise empty life. This may be true of many things, alcohol and drugs or being a workaholic. The list is endless. Expat lover argument is misconceived. We do enrich the FKKs and hookers, but that is also true of banks, coffee shops, airlines and supermarkets. It is called consumption of services.

Sex is hard wired into living species and it feels good. Most of the people here simply follow the equivalent of varying their meals at restaurants rather than the same re-heated freezer pack day after day. Our hobby is an accessory to life rather than the core. Just as a glass of wine with a lovely meal is good. Moderation and perspective is part of this hobby, though perhaps should be added to the instruction manual in case some skipped life classes.

If mongering is bad, then what is the good and better alternative? Marriage? Seeking arrangement (polite hooker-dom) ? Casual flings ? Each have their own cost-benefit analysis. Marriage is a huge bucket of risk; the statistics are grim. Mongers have careers, friends and family in real life, and many here I have met are very hard working. They lack time to play elaborate games to get access to beautiful women. Many have disproportionate disposable income. Here, we get to point and click, and get access to a stunning collection of prime young women as we please, a privilege that was formerly reserved only for kings and princes. We also get contraception, fast and safe air travel and medical care that even 50 years ago was unavailable to even kings and heads of state. The goal of our hobby is normal and natural. It is the mad social rules and lack of rational thought that creates unhappiness, discontent and bad laws.[/QUOTE]It is probably more than just that. We all most likely only Exist for Love.

Just like that new Aurora song.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2457931]Like the other guy said, who cares about escorting? We are here on the FKK forum for the FKK experience. Not a wank.[/QUOTE]But when German brothels are still closed, can meet some girls as escort.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457946]During my last visit to Sharks which was March 16, the day before they closed the club was eerily quiet and I got the opportunity to chat with the staff who were quite open to conversation. Before that all I did was greet them. On that day I spent a lot of time talking to the front desk staff telling them about myself, my job and my home and travels and in turn they told me about themselves. We laughed and joked and the good-byes at the end of that visit were notable. Germans are very curious people, they're cold and harsh on the outside but that masks quite a warm interior. It would be interesting to know what they have been up to in the interim.[/QUOTE]I confirm Sharks desk was welcoming for my 13 and 14 March visits, and had a great last room with German Tabea for her first room at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2457953]It is probably more than just that. We all most likely only Exist for Love.

Just like that new Aurora song.[/QUOTE]As Rumi said:

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ".

-- Mollyamorist

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2457744]Comments were made here of sex addiction and claims of it being to fill an otherwise empty life. This may be true of many things, alcohol and drugs or being a workaholic. The list is endless. Expat lover argument is misconceived. We do enrich the FKKs and hookers, but that is also true of banks, coffee shops, airlines and supermarkets. It is called consumption of services.

Sex is hard wired into living species and it feels good. Most of the people here simply follow the equivalent of varying their meals at restaurants rather than the same re-heated freezer pack day after day. Our hobby is an accessory to life rather than the core. Just as a glass of wine with a lovely meal is good. Moderation and perspective is part of this hobby, though perhaps should be added to the instruction manual in case some skipped life classes.

If mongering is bad, then what is the good and better alternative? Marriage? Seeking arrangement (polite hooker-dom) ? Casual flings ? Each have their own cost-benefit analysis. Marriage is a huge bucket of risk; the statistics are grim. Mongers have careers, friends and family in real life, and many here I have met are very hard working. They lack time to play elaborate games to get access to beautiful women. Many have disproportionate disposable income. Here, we get to point and click, and get access to a stunning collection of prime young women as we please, a privilege that was formerly reserved only for kings and princes. We also get contraception, fast and safe air travel and medical care that even 50 years ago was unavailable to even kings and heads of state. The goal of our hobby is normal and natural. It is the mad social rules and lack of rational thought that creates unhappiness, discontent and bad laws.

Long live access to gorgeous young women and the joy of life, inside and outside of the hobby. Women are far more voracious sexually than they let on, and unlike the male, they can easily do 10 guys a day.
May the COVID thing end. I have a lot of catching up to do. Legs over my shoulder, all the way in, 2nd girl cupping my balls as the other is taken anally or vaginally. Then a giggle, cuddle and rest and do it all over again. YAY![/QUOTE]One of the best and most accurate definitions of mongering I have read in any forum.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2457775]The simple answer is no, nobody knows exactly when clubs will re-open.

So seems brothels will re-open in the same days in all the federal states.
[/QUOTE]How annoying and depressing when many other activities which involve physical contact are permitted. Footballers hold each other, breath the same air and are exposed to each other's sweat. I know it is played outdoors but it must carry a similar risk perhaps other than BBBJ and DATY as all penetrations would be covered anyway.

Missing the fun of FKKs this year and am very much hoping you guys who also look around the german boards will post some exciting news of re-opening dates in the near future.

I continue to think there exists less than 5% chance that large Hessen type clubs will open prior to Sept and less than 25% before December. I also think it is irresponsible for DE to open such clubs at a normal scale and by and large Germany has been quite responsible which tells me it is unlikely clubs will be open so soon. We are seeing a rebound second wave in multiple states in US already and our first wave never went away. I realize some guys are quite eager, perhaps you may have strong physical constitution and super immunity but an average dude would definitely be at elevated risk of infection from such clubs if they were open at normal scale.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2457744]If mongering is bad, then what is the good and better alternative? [/QUOTE]If someone is reading this forum, I doubt they believe that mongering is bad.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2457744]Comments were made here of sex addiction and claims of it being to fill an otherwise empty life. This may be true of many things, alcohol and drugs or being a workaholic. The list is endless. Expat lover argument is misconceived. We do enrich the FKKs and hookers, but that is also true of banks, coffee shops, airlines and supermarkets. It is called consumption of services.

Sex is hard wired into living species and it feels good. Most of the people here simply follow the equivalent of varying their meals at restaurants rather than the same re-heated freezer pack day after day. Our hobby is an accessory to life rather than the core.[/QUOTE]Hobbies taken to the extreme can consume someone's entire life. In that sense, the hobby is the core of life, not the accessory. If I understand correctly, your "variety of meals" reference is an argument that males are not hard-wired to be monagamous with one woman. Again, I do not believe anybody reading this forum would argue with you. Alcohol, drugs, and gambling in moderation are fine when done recreationally to cope with stress, but at extreme levels, they become detrimental to one's mental, physical, and financial health.

Partly because FKKs are an open format, we are forced to bear witness to see these tragic dramas play out. At these extreme levels, you see mongers going into debt. You see mongers mumbling to themselves. You see mongers stalking the WGs. You even see mongers who resemble Christian Bale's character in the movie the Machinist (I. E angry outbursts, hallucinations, insomnia, neglecting his health and career) [URL]https://youtu.be/bAhBZXw1Kak[/URL].

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2457886]Changing the subject which cities in Germany do you think has the options for paid sex? Doesn't matter which type.[/QUOTE]Look on Kaufmich for escorts, around Dusseldorf or Frankfurt, probably can find around Koln and Berlin. You can find some brothels girls. I think escorting may be allowed now, not really sure, but nevertheless always kept on.

For those who are in big hurry, as soon border with Switzerland open, should be on Monday, very close to border, History Basel Liestal where you can have some Globe girls for 99 CHF = less than 95 € , until 19 June when they may return to Globe for 130 . In Zurich West suburb, Swiss Dietikon where can also have Globe girls for 89 CHF, not much more expensive than Germany and already opened, for hurry to empty balls.

As I don t need to empty balls, but to make dream my mind, I don t feel hygienic hurry, because as long I won t see a dreamed girl and I didn't see any among 30 Globe girls at History or Swiss, then I don't need to go, I only go for beauties who make me dream and I enjoy to taste weekly but only princess mannered natural elegant beauties. Maybe found new Latvian escort.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2458000]But when German brothels are still closed, can meet some girls as escort.[/QUOTE]More than 30 % of FKK girls are already working as escorts. When the borders open from Monday all Romanian beauties will be back, you just need to search in escort sites.

Two points:

"No Man has ever said on his death-bed:

'I wish I spent more time at the office'.

'I wish I had sex with fewer Women' ".

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2458093]If someone is reading this forum, I doubt they believe that mongering is bad.

Hobbies taken to the extreme can consume someone's entire life. In that sense, the hobby is the core of life, not the accessory. If I understand correctly, your "variety of meals" reference is an argument that males are not hard-wired to be monagamous with one woman. Again, I do not believe anybody reading this forum would argue with you. Alcohol, drugs, and gambling in moderation are fine when done recreationally to cope with stress, but at extreme levels, they become detrimental to one's mental, physical, and financial health.

Partly because FKKs are an open format, we are forced to bear witness to see these tragic dramas play out. At these extreme levels, you see mongers going into debt. You see mongers mumbling to themselves. You see mongers stalking the WGs. You even see mongers who resemble Christian Bale's character in the movie the Machinist (I. E angry outbursts, hallucinations, insomnia, neglecting his health and career) [URL]https://youtu.be/bAhBZXw1Kak[/URL].[/QUOTE]According to doctors, addiction is when you can't control and suffer from, when this playfield should be for pleasure. My advice would be not to send big money to buy a house in Romania, thinking to live there in love with your beauty, when I met some who made thousands € credit, up to one hundred thousand, and sent, and then girl phone didn't answer anymore. For me, love out of bed and for sure out of the club, can only be problem and even dangerous, when love in bed is more enjoyable, but when girls start to speak about love, then usually becoming complicated, better to manage to change to other topic or leave.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;2458229]Two points:

"No Man has ever said on his death-bed:

'I wish I spent more time at the office'.

'I wish I had sex with fewer Women' ".[/QUOTE]Our famous Victor Hugo wrote: our best times are those we didn't live yet, so hopes and wishes, even I preferred my previous life and would have been so proud to have only her for woman, what I would call to succeed life.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2458110]More than 30 % of FKK girls are already working as escorts. When the borders open from Monday all Romanian beauties will be back, you just need to search in escort sites.[/QUOTE]Seem escorting is allowed in Hessen and Bavaria, but not NRW?

Swiss and Austrian clubs should have limitation for number of people, so, many WGs should not find where to work in clubs o this Summer.

[QUOTE=Canary;2457753]Since the FKK closures I've read numerous posts on this forum, looked for the latest info & any details of a resumption. Like many I've had hopes raised then lowered.

I live outside Germany but often visit the Frankfurt Clubs 9/10 times a year but trying to fully understand the general mood of the politicians / situation from afar is difficult so I have a small amount of questions please?

1: Is the news definite that FKK's won't open anytime before 16 August in the Frankfurt area?

2: Is there ANY reasonable chance that Clubs outside Hessen in Germany will open much earlier than 16 August?

3: Having only visited German Clubs how do the Zurich clubs compare?

I'm considering next month looking for a Club that's near Zurich airport & similar to the Sharks prices & set up.

I keep in contact with some of the Club girls who (unsurprisingly) invite me to visit them but it doesn't interest me. If I was looking for an Escort I could see one in my own country, it's the Club atmosphere & numerous naked girls that I miss.

Thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the replies & comments which have made me consider that maybe the Swiss scene is not something I would enjoy as much as Germany.

So I will wait another 2/3 months to see if things change for the better in Germany & only consider Swiss again if after that time the situation has not altered in Germany.

[QUOTE=Canary;2458277]Thanks for all the replies & comments which have made me consider that maybe the Swiss scene is not something I would enjoy as much as Germany.

So I will wait another 2/3 months to see if things change for the better in Germany & only consider Swiss again if after that time the situation has not altered in Germany.[/QUOTE]You asked if Swiss clubs like Sharks? Not really for the club, only Freubad can compete in Switzerland, and Wellcum and Andiamo in Austria, Switzerland is more expensive and Austria is 70/30, but when Sharks casting fell compare to 2016, when Globe casting fell since 2019, can find pleasure in both countries like sometimes in Germany. Big clubs should open on 19 in Switzerland, on beginning of July in Austria. No news for Germany when virus re start in some places, but escorting is allowed in some landers.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2458266]Seem escorting is allowed in Hessen and Bavaria, but not NRW?.[/QUOTE]The escorts don't work with legal agencies, they post pictures in kaufmich or ladies or so many other escort sites and have their own personal number to contact.

I assume you already know this?

Is it me or most of opponents of prostitution comes from SW Germany?

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2456139]Can you give me the contact to fuck Maria Ozawa? She's my dream! I'm same like you, me too I travel all around the world and I love porn movies and I fuck many pornstars! I fucked Jynx Maze, Veronica Rodriguez, Angel Dark, Jennifer Stone, Ellen Saint, Julie Silver, Kristina Rose, Susy Gala, Apolonia Lapiedra, Jade Presley. Some with condoms, some bareback![/QUOTE]Can you clue me where is a good start for a guy looking to connect with known porn stars? I tried PM'ing you but not letting me.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2458405]The escorts don't work with legal agencies, they post pictures in kaufmich or ladies or so many other escort sites and have their own personal number to contact.

I assume you already know this?[/QUOTE]So many uglies on ladies and kaufmich.

Most of the girls I met through KM or ladies. De were already registered (new law 2017) some of them told me they got a date with a guy and at the end he was a cop, checking all the legal aspects. It seems that in the recent months a lot of ex girls from the FKK or brothels are now active on KM. Not sure they will increase the quality. My best experiences in P6 (except China) was with KM, I met 3 top natural beauties, real students, GFE, but also a lot of cheating with fake profiles, pictures. I always used the same way, the first meeting in a bar or lobby from a hotel, if I am not OK, we don't go to the room, usually the cheating girls are not accepting.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2458517]Can you clue me where is a good start for a guy looking to connect with known porn stars? I tried PM'ing you but not letting me.[/QUOTE]Look at Zeus. Ch for Hungarian Mia Evans who is full natural, but not pretty sophisticated enough on real for my desire, so I chose a Romanian beauty who attracted more my desire. Mia is for 100 CHF /30 and lovely and smiling. Some pornstars tour in Switzerland, also at Freubad. Ch, but they are usually not pretty enough for me, I love girls who look and behave like normal women I see in Paris streets where can see many beauties. Some pornstars also did tour in Paris before covid, but I don t go, I prefer fresh Russians and so erotic when they speak Russian. On last week, met Russians for my job and a woman made traduction, she was just cute, not a model, but so erotic sound from her mouth, I most often looked at her mouth like when You want to kiss a girl, she noticed and smiled. Clients found we had very good contact with their traductor. Funny, charm is enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2458524]So many uglies on ladies and kaufmich.[/QUOTE]I can only agree with you on that. I believe both sites especially ladies. De are for very low class prostitutes, not surprised that all ex FKK girls are there.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2458769]I can only agree with you on that. I believe both sites especially ladies. De are for very low class prostitutes, not surprised that all ex FKK girls are there.[/QUOTE]Germany is brothels land, Germans want cheap sex, for 30 in RTC, or everything for 50 as say girls, so can t have top beauty escorts, even I met one. Fortunately Romanians live in a poor country where 50 is nearly 1 week salary in some deep parts. Germany is not the place for many high level escorts, except maybe Bavaria and Berlin.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2458769]I can only agree with you on that. I believe both sites especially ladies. De are for very low class prostitutes, not surprised that all ex FKK girls are there.[/QUOTE]I disagree that ladies. De and Kaufmich are for low class working girls.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2458813]I disagree that ladies. De and Kaufmich are for low class working girls.[/QUOTE]I have tried ladies. De more than 6 times over the past 2 months always hoping next time will be better and it only gets worse. Mainly Romanian desperate second or third class girls, ex workers in FKK Clubs who think they can have the same sharks attitude as independent escorts. They have no idea about escorting and they think it is the same as they behaved in the clubs. Start from 150 per hour and keep adding all extra like they are used to rip off clients.

Just look at their pictures quality and you will get an idea why they are low class. Or try some quality escort first class agencies and you will see the difference.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2458798]Germany is brothels land, Germans want cheap sex, for 30 in RTC, or everything for 50 as say girls, so can t have top beauty escorts, even I met one. Fortunately Romanians live in a poor country where 50 is nearly 1 week salary in some deep parts. Germany is not the place for many high level escorts, except maybe Bavaria and Berlin.[/QUOTE]I agree that Romanians live in a poor country with 50 e a week salary. What I don't get is why they think they are top class escorts then and behave accordingly when they come to Germany asking for prices out of their quality? I come from Italy and I have been with many top class escorts and most of them are from Russia, Belarus, Lithuania, Rep Czech, their behave and service is real top class.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2458851]I agree that Romanians live in a poor country with 50 e a week salary. What I don't get is why they think they are top class escorts then and behave accordingly when they come to Germany asking for prices out of their quality? I come from Italy and I have been with many top class escorts and most of them are from Russia, Belarus, Lithuania, Rep Czech, their behave and service is real top class.[/QUOTE]I had so many Russian, Latvian, Belarus, Kazakh, escorts in Paris, Milano, Torino, even in Dubaï where I was not interested to ski in Globe, but I found some Romanian real beauties and high level in bed for my tastes, in brothels, highest levels never speaking about money and meeting them weekly for months. When Romanians are higher level as women for me than Germans, I became a Romanian beauties lover. When a beauty tells me she is Romanian, sound like quality in my mind.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2458849]I have tried ladies. De more than 6 times over the past 2 months always hoping next time will be better and it only gets worse. Mainly Romanian desperate second or third class girls, ex workers in FKK Clubs who think they can have the same sharks attitude as independent escorts. They have no idea about escorting and they think it is the same as they behaved in the clubs. Start from 150 per hour and keep adding all extra like they are used to rip off clients.

Just look at their pictures quality and you will get an idea why they are low class. Or try some quality escort first class agencies and you will see the difference.[/QUOTE]Two things:

1. Fewer at ladies. De due to the coronavirus.

2. Kaufmich has plenty of non-Romanian girls. Search the German language forums like LUSTHAUS for each specific city or search them at German sub forum of ISG for reviews.

There are other websites for independents, agencies, and sex establishments.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2459066]Two things:

1. Fewer at ladies. De due to the coronavirus.

2. Kaufmich has plenty of non-Romanian girls. Search the German language forums like LUSTHAUS for each specific city or search them at German sub forum of ISG for reviews.

There are other websites for independents, agencies, and sex establishments.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, will search.

So which site do you recommend for top class escorts in Hessen area?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2459020]I had so many Russian, Latvian, Belarus, Kazakh, escorts in Paris, Milano, Torino, even in Duba where I was not interested to ski in Globe, but I found some Romanian real beauties and high level in bed for my tastes, in brothels, highest levels never speaking about money and meeting them weekly for months. When Romanians are higher level as women for me than Germans, I became a Romanian beauties lover. When a beauty tells me she is Romanian, sound like quality in my mind.[/QUOTE]It is not just the looks.

You need much more to be considered top class escort, not the Romanian girls case.

You have been to Milano and Dubai so you should already see the difference.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2459020]I had so many Russian, Latvian, Belarus, Kazakh, escorts in Paris, Milano, Torino, even in Duba where I was not interested to ski in Globe, but I found some Romanian real beauties and high level in bed for my tastes, in brothels, highest levels never speaking about money and meeting them weekly for months. When Romanians are higher level as women for me than Germans, I became a Romanian beauties lover. When a beauty tells me she is Romanian, sound like quality in my mind.[/QUOTE]I could add my weekly Romanians at GT, Prestige Neunkirchen, World, Oase, Sharks, Globe, LR, Gold, were all very honest, never speaking about money with me, even I know my LR Eve had different rates, but she always told me: Do I ask you anything? I think she preferred I looked and treated her as a woman, when she started her day, and repeating later on evening.

This interactive map is an excellent source of information, and they claim to be keeping it updated: [URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm[/URL]. So, rather than the endless questions about "when" and "where" and "what" regarding the resumption of international travel, we can all refer to this tool for the latest accurate updates.

Weird logic here: because some Baltic / Russian girls working for so called top-escort-agencies are charging 250 to 350 Euro pro Hour (and like half of it goes into the pockets of the crooks running those "we treat them like cattle and ship them every 2 weeks to another financial centre-city in Europe" escortsites) the girls working "privately" mostly for sites like KM and Ladies or other in Germany are low-level. Pathetic.

Most of these companies running the show with their "girls on tour" are doubtful to say the least, nearly human trafficking if you look at it more closely but hey, if some non so well-informed people which earn too much money anyway and wish to invest it at their "exclusive" rates-philosophy want to do that, be my guest. It's a free world anyway but don't pretend like it's another level or degrade girls which do it otherwise. Invest 300 Euro into a excellent Club-Girl in Germany trying to survive the current situation and you'll have an amazing 3-hour session making the escort-pony being transported from Brussels to Milan and Zurich and back on her endless tours look like a joke.

So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?

It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first!

Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000[/URL].

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2459265]So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?

It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first![/QUOTE][B]Nothing[/B] has been said about when FKK can open so it won't be any time soon. I was hoping that they would open at the latest on August 31 when social distancing in Germany was planned to end. That is even more uncertain as it's been agreed today that there will no no large gatherings allowed until after October.

[QUOTE=SpermBirds;2459223]Weird logic here: because some Baltic / Russian girls working for so called top-escort-agencies are charging 250 to 350 Euro pro Hour (and like half of it goes into the pockets of the crooks running those "we treat them like cattle and ship them every 2 weeks to another financial centre-city in Europe" escortsites) the girls working "privately" mostly for sites like KM and Ladies or other in Germany are low-level. Pathetic.

Most of these companies running the show with their "girls on tour" are doubtful to say the least, nearly human trafficking if you look at it more closely but hey, if some non so well-informed people which earn too much money anyway and wish to invest it at their "exclusive" rates-philosophy want to do that, be my guest. It's a free world anyway but don't pretend like it's another level or degrade girls which do it otherwise. Invest 300 Euro into a excellent Club-Girl in Germany trying to survive the current situation and you'll have an amazing 3-hour session making the escort-pony being transported from Brussels to Milan and Zurich and back on her endless tours look like a joke.[/QUOTE]The difference between top and low class escorts has nothing to do with the agencies. It is a matter of style and personality among stunning beauty and of course behave and manners.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2459265]So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?

It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first![/QUOTE]I'm not sure if this document will be continuously updated, but here you can find a nice (or depressing) overview of the status in the different federal states as of Monday this week:

[URL]https://www.donacarmen.de/wp-content/uploads/Prostitution-und-Corona-Stand-15.06.2020-2.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2459265]So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?

It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first![/QUOTE]You can go to Globe or Amesia or Aphro or Freubad or Swiss or History or Zeus on Friday, or Austria on beginning of July, or look at uglies on Kaufmich or Ladies. De, or wait for Germany when Germans who are in panic with full balls don't know. Cleverness is ability to adapt.

From my little weekly experience with escorts and FKK girls, when I can claim to be beauties specialist in brothels, but really not many FKK girls, even at Globe, can t compete for look with my standard for escorts, even found some girls who could for look and level in bed. Had a wow German model type escort in Germany, discovered at Vertigo on December 2017, just exceptional, my highest performer woman in my whole life, but so jealous to become mad, also Sam on 2014 and Gigi on 2018 , who were escorting outside GT, but I m more a Russians specialist and my game is when I find a attractive one, to meet her out of agency after discovering each other, to visit Paris, or Milano before, to go to restaurant, to buy her a perfume or gift for child and usually 200/250 for about 5/6 hours spent with the escort and they often ask me to repeat, sending me when they will arrive in Paris, less expensive than FKK girls with a prettier escort and most often on higher level in bed, but we have our own experiences. I thought escorts working for Amour Russe were kind of forced to get so many clients, sometimes 10 per day and sometimes I met them after their day, but after relaxing, chatting in Russian, so erotic in my ears, a good diner with fish and a cup of champagne, they are usually saying: we go to bed, until 4 am, when they start their day at 11 am. So many Russian nights for less expensive than German brothels, walking in streets with a model on high heels and very short skirt. I remember Ana from Oufa Oural on September 2011, asking me to find toilets for her, so I told her: but when you come back, you give me your pantie, she did and didn't ask me to give her back when we finished. I really regretted superstar Katalina at Globe didn't let me with my full of blood bathrobe after our room, I would have stolen for pillow.

Weird logic here: because some Baltic / Russian girls working for so called top-escort-agencies are charging 250 to 350 Euro pro Hour (and like half of it goes into the pockets of the crooks running those "we treat them like cattle and ship them every 2 weeks to another financial centre-city in Europe" escortsites) the girls working "privately" mostly for sites like KM and Ladies or other in Germany are low-level. Pathetic.

Most of these companies running the show with their "girls on tour" are doubtful to say the least, nearly human trafficking if you look at it more closely but hey, if some non so well-informed people which earn too much money anyway and wish to invest it at their "exclusive" rates-philosophy want to do that, be my guest. It's a free world anyway but don't pretend like it's another level or degrade girls which do it otherwise. Invest 300 Euro into a excellent Club-Girl in Germany trying to survive the current situation and you'll have an amazing 3-hour session making the escort-pony being transported from Brussels to Milan and Zurich and back on her endless tours look like a joke.

In the recent he girls have all the possibilities to get informed about prostitution even a lot of people can support them to find a way out of P6. Most of them are not victims, they just lack of will to build another life, easy money.

From 2010 to 2015 I met 100+ escort mostly in Germany through agencies and also KM or ladies. De. At that time it was possible to find fresh, sexy girls even some of them were real students or had a normal job. Since that time things have changed, mostly always the same girls around, switching from FKK to escort, from London to Dublin, to Paris. A lot of sili, Botox. But hard for me to find real natural, fresh beauties. For me only natural beauty matters, and this is a night mare to find in Europe still possibly in China but also getting hard.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2459122]Thanks for the info, will search.

So which site do you recommend for top class escorts in Hessen area?[/QUOTE]Here are the agencies that are recommended on this forum and elsewhere. BTW, they not top class luxury agencies (the ones that charge at least €400-500 for one or two hours):

1. Skyline Escort ([URL]http://skyline-escort.com/[/URL]).

2. East LadyLuck ([URL]https://escort-ladyluck.com/[/URL]), not sure about this one however).

3. Diva Escort ([URL]https://www.diva-escort.de/start-en.html[/URL]).

4. Kim Escort ([URL]https://www.kim-escort.de/[/URL]).

5. Prive Escort ([URL]https://www.prive-escort.de/en/[/URL]).

6. Diamond Escort ([URL]https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/en/[/URL]).

7. Candy Escort ([URL]https://www.candy-escort.de/[/URL]).

8. Skyline Affairs ([URL]https://skyline-affairs.com/[/URL]).

This is a message board dedicated to the escort scene in Germany:[URL]https://www.mc-escort.de/[/URL].

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2459066]Two things:

1. Fewer at ladies. De due to the coronavirus.

2. Kaufmich has plenty of non-Romanian girls. Search the German language forums like LUSTHAUS for each specific city or search them at German sub forum of ISG for reviews.

There are other websites for independents, agencies, and sex establishments.[/QUOTE]Will do. Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2459160]I could add my weekly Romanians at GT, Prestige Neunkirchen[/QUOTE]Is FKK Neunkirchen the thread for this place? It doesn't seem very popular.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2459268]Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000[/URL].[/QUOTE]Well spotted Mr Cane. Although the "Grauniad" is not going to give us the juiciest stuff.

All of Van Gogh's girlfriends /"girlfriends" were tutes. He was obsessed with them and brothels. In his admiration for beauty, he reminds me of Sirioja, except crazier.

Van Gogh was great friends with another painter, Gauguin. They both shared an unusually young and beautiful woman called Rachel. But they didn't fight over her: in fact she made them even greater friends. Van Gogh started to transfer some physical affection to Gauguin via Rachel. Weird but you all know the story of how Van Gogh cut off his ear? He had it delivered to Rachel. Well. OK. The respectable version of the story says he sent it to a non-WG, like he got obsessed with the girl behind the bar or something. In any case Gauguin was going WTF and basically abandoned his friend as a hopeless case. So Van Gogh was left to bounce around various mental hospitals and finally shot himself dead. Gauguin famously went off to the hot South Pacific islands to enjoy the women there, again very young.

This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that.

More info about Van Gogh: [URL]https://www.vangoghstudio.com/van-gogh-and-prostitutes/[/URL].

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2459480]Is FKK Neunkirchen the thread for this place? It doesn't seem very popular.[/QUOTE]Prestige Neunkirchen was a really high level club, if some remember EMA on end of 2013 , beginning of 2014. Had a really good room with German Romi on my last visit few months ago. Hyper GFE.

So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.

Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.

Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.

Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?

I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?

I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.

If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work / money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlours, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.

What's happening over there please?

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2459377]Here are the agencies that are recommended on this forum and elsewhere. BTW, they not top class luxury agencies (the ones that charge at least 400-500 for one or two hours):

1. Skyline Escort ([URL]http://skyline-escort.com/[/URL]).

2. East LadyLuck ([URL]https://escort-ladyluck.com/[/URL]), not sure about this one however).

3. Diva Escort ([URL]https://www.diva-escort.de/start-en.html[/URL]).

4. Kim Escort ([URL]https://www.kim-escort.de/[/URL]).

5. Prive Escort ([URL]https://www.prive-escort.de/en/[/URL]).

6. Diamond Escort ([URL]https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/en/[/URL]).

7. Candy Escort ([URL]https://www.candy-escort.de/[/URL]).

8. Skyline Affairs ([URL]https://skyline-affairs.com/[/URL]).

This is a message board dedicated to the escort scene in Germany:[URL]https://www.mc-escort.de/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Correction: Ignore the first link. Might be a fake. LadyLuck is legitimate according to some users here.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2459626]So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open.
....
The girls are desperate for work / money
...
What's happening over there please?[/QUOTE]When FKKs reopened in Switzerland, there was a big rush from guys so it was a sausage fest. I waited a bit and then visited one. It was still a sausage fest. The girls didn't seem "hungry" at all, because they could take their pick of guys. I only got lucky because I happened to know one girl well from before.

I talked to one girl who said she had stayed in Switzerland and lived off her savings for three months and done nothing but watch porn. I talked to another girl who said that just before the lockdown she had escaped to Spain and enjoyed working the whole time. :-) People don't care so much about rules in Spain.

I don't know what's wrong with Germany, that they are taking so long to reopen. But at this stage it's like I don't care any more.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2459377]Here are the agencies that are recommended on this forum and elsewhere. BTW, they not top class luxury agencies (the ones that charge at least 400-500 for one or two hours):

1. Skyline Escort ([URL]http://skyline-escort.com/[/URL]).

2. East LadyLuck ([URL]https://escort-ladyluck.com/[/URL]), not sure about this one however).

3. Diva Escort ([URL]https://www.diva-escort.de/start-en.html[/URL]).

4. Kim Escort ([URL]https://www.kim-escort.de/[/URL]).

5. Prive Escort ([URL]https://www.prive-escort.de/en/[/URL]).

6. Diamond Escort ([URL]https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/en/[/URL]).

7. Candy Escort ([URL]https://www.candy-escort.de/[/URL]).

8. Skyline Affairs ([URL]https://skyline-affairs.com/[/URL]).

This is a message board dedicated to the escort scene in Germany:[URL]https://www.mc-escort.de/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Fantastic.

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2459626]So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.

Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.

Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.

Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?

I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?

I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.[/QUOTE]Germans are very conservative and logical. FKKs and clubs present a high risk. As long as public pressure is low, they will do the right thing. That is keep the clubs closed.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2459626]So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.

Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.

Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.

Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?

I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?

I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.

If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work / money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlours, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.

What's happening over there please?[/QUOTE]Switzerland and Austria have been less affected from covid. In Spain I can guess that these clubs are not considered officially as brothels like the German FKK clubs are. I believe Germany has a serious problem with FKK because there is a huge number of them all around Germany, they are not limited like other 2 countries. So if they suddenly all open and all masses join there will be a much higher risk of virus spreading very fast. Maybe they decide to open a limited number of clubs with limitation of hours to stay but this would lead to other problems. I also believe that these clubs don't affect the German economy at all so it is not about a health-economy there unlike other countries.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2459626]So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.

Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.

Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.

Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?

I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?

I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.

If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work / money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlours, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.

What's happening over there please?[/QUOTE]You have to appreciate German culture and the way they think to understand the difference between say, Spain vs. Germany. Germany is a country of law and order. Germans are very clinical in the way they approach rules and regulations. Little room for variance. FKKs are seen as the highest risk businesses for Covid-19 transmission and are likely to be among the last allowed by the German authorities to re-open. Spain is looser with rules and compliance. You also have more choices in Spain. More apartment or mansion girls and bordellos in Spain that don't have anywhere close to the density of FKKs in Germany and so are seen as lower risk.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2459626]So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.
Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.
Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.
Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?
I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favor of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?
I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.
If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work/money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlors, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.
What's happening over there, please?[/QUOTE]In Swiss some FKK reopened on 6th June, today is the opening day for Globe and I think all the FKKs are now open.

In Austria, all brothels and FKK will reopen on 1st July, not only Wellcum.

Small brothels in Madrid like Placer Madrid and Palacio del Placer opened in early June, and they offer all the services (BBBJ CIM ANAL) same before but no FK. But borders are still closed and will re-open on 21st June.

Germany still have new outbreaks and quarantines [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-germany-imposes-quarantines-to-counter-fresh-outbreaks/a-53852173[/URL].

[QUOTE=WoofWoof;2459679]You have to appreciate German culture and the way they think to understand the difference between say, Spain vs. Germany. Germany is a country of law and order. Germans are very clinical in the way they approach rules and regulations. Little room for variance. FKKs are seen as the highest risk businesses for Covid-19 transmission and are likely to be among the last allowed by the German authorities to re-open. Spain is looser with rules and compliance. You also have more choices in Spain. More apartment or mansion girls and bordellos in Spain that don't have anywhere close to the density of FKKs in Germany and so are seen as lower risk.[/QUOTE]But are Germans so different than Zurich German Swiss? When they opened in Zurich. And what about so risky AO RTC keeping on with Germans returning to wife. But I think Germany make the good choice to avoid to become brothels land virus playfield, when even in Western Europe, virus is still in the place, even killing less than when was 10 degrees. But let s see on Autumn, when we can see Pekin, Brazil, South Africa.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459596]This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that.[/QUOTE]Interesting info about Van Gogh. Everyone should monitor their mental health. Recently read this article about Romanian orphans and whether they actually ever reach even keel as adults. Here is some historical backdrop:

[QUOTE] In 1990, the outside world discovered his network of child gulags, in which an estimated 170,000 abandoned infants, children, and teens were being raised. Believing that a larger population would beef up Romanias economy, Ceaucescu had curtailed contraception and abortion, imposed tax penalties on people who were childless, and celebrated as heroine mothers women who gave birth to 10 or more. Parents who couldnt possibly handle another baby might call their new arrival Ceauşescus child, as in Let him raise it. To house a generation of unwanted or unaffordable children, Ceauşescu ordered the construction or conversion of hundreds of structures around the country. Signs displayed the slogan: the state can take better care of your child than you can.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/can-an-unloved-child-learn-to-love/612253/
[/QUOTE]The psychologists found that being neglected, abandoned, and lack of human interaction during child development can result in adults that are not pleasant to be around and angry at the world. If the isolation is extreme it can result in cognitive impairment and individuals that cannot function in society or individuals with limited empathy and lack of guilt. The Romanian institutionalized orphans represent the most extreme end of the spectrum. People who come from broken homes (parents were incarcerated or addicted to drugs) are also on this spectrum. Observing some mongers, there are definitely some that fall under this spectrum as well. As do many WGs who come from poor RO villages. For the RO WGs who might have endured abuse as children, perhaps this bit of advice from the article is more applicable to the mongers who wish to rescue them:

[QUOTE]They thought loving, caring families could heal these kids. I warned them: These kids are going to push you to the breaking point. Get trained to work with special-needs children. Keep their bedrooms spare and simple. Instead of I love you, just tell them, You are safe.  But most new or prospective parents couldnt bear to hear it, and the adoption agencies that set up shop overnight in Romania werent in the business of delivering such dire messages. I got a lot of hate mail, says Federici, who is fast-talking and blunt, with a long face and a thatch of shiny black hair.  Youre cold! They need love! Theyve got to be hugged.  But the former marine, once widely accused of being too pessimistic about the kids futures, is now considered prescient.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459596]...................This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that......[/QUOTE]Anyone remember some years ago the guy at Sharks who spent a ton of money on a girl in the club over a period of time and it did not turn out as he wanted and he released a chemical in the club?

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459596]Well spotted Mr Cane. Although the "Grauniad" is not going to give us the juiciest stuff.

All of Van Gogh's girlfriends /"girlfriends" were tutes. He was obsessed with them and brothels. In his admiration for beauty, he reminds me of Sirioja, except crazier.

Van Gogh was great friends with another painter, Gauguin. They both shared an unusually young and beautiful woman called Rachel. But they didn't fight over her: in fact she made them even greater friends. Van Gogh started to transfer some physical affection to Gauguin via Rachel. Weird but you all know the story of how Van Gogh cut off his ear? He had it delivered to Rachel. Well. OK. The respectable version of the story says he sent it to a non-WG, like he got obsessed with the girl behind the bar or something. In any case Gauguin was going WTF and basically abandoned his friend as a hopeless case. So Van Gogh was left to bounce around various mental hospitals and finally shot himself dead. Gauguin famously went off to the hot South Pacific islands to enjoy the women there, again very young.

This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that.

More info about Van Gogh: [URL]https://www.vangoghstudio.com/van-gogh-and-prostitutes/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Nice story!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2459745]Anyone remember some years ago the guy at Sharks who spent a ton of money on a girl in the club over a period of time and it did not turn out as he wanted and he released a chemical in the club?[/QUOTE]Everybody at Sharks told me it was some crazy guy from London, sort of Asian looking.

The BBC did a documentary "Mega brothel" that did a documentary on the the inside of the Paradise group, with numbers and interviewing the owners, managers, girls and customers. Josie, who starred, is very sweet and pretty funny, says she did about 15,000 customers over 8 years that is about right. Say 7 customers a day, 6 days a week = 42 a week. Say they work 48 weeks in a year: 2016 customers per annum.

Lets say they work 19-30,11 years = 22,176.

A typical Boeing 747-8 jet holds roughly 450, a 777 about 370. An Airbus A380 roughly 600. So taking the median of 450, she has serviced the equivalent of 33 passenger plane loads of horny guys and about 75 litres of cum. The myth is that they easily make EUR 5000+ a week. That is recruitment speil. Most do not. A lot of their time is spent sitting around bored in a dark, smokey place and not earning. They can go immediately again after being screwed, but the male refractory period works agaisnt them, and it gets longer after age 40 which is probably a heavy monger demographic. So they build that into their price structure as well as entry costs, tax, makeup, healthcare, condoms and accomodation.

Nor do they make that much money. At an FKK, they also have to pay to get in, plus board, and a flat rate of EUR20 in tax, about EUR120 a day, and they average 7 guys at EUR65 a client, that is about EUR 335 a day take home pay for 12 hours work, or about EUR27.91 an hour tax free. Lets suppose it is a stunner who get EUR100 per client and does 10 clients. She makes EUR880 net for 12 hours, about EUR73 an hour. It is hard physical and mental work being a sex toy and catering to guys fantasies and having to act all the time and seem sexy. It also forecloses many career options and often the ability to form a relationship or snag a husband and start a family. If I go to an FKK, the damage is always at least EUR300,80 to get in and roughly EUR 220 over 3 girls over 8-9 hours. The FF takes about a quarter from us and the girls. With roughly 100 people, that's about EUR8 k a day gross rent.

Sure this is hugely variable depending upon looks, demand, the economy and so on, the point is that their charms do not afford them EUR 5000+ a week and life of luxury, and the psychological costs of opeining their holy of holies for public use of some repulsive toads who want to slobber over them is pretty gross.

They earn their money and deserve our respect. When you shell out next time, keep that in mind, and that they give up their youth and beauty for what is not some astronomical sum. It only works if they go back home to some rural slum and are comparatively cashed up, but they will carry the scarlett letter syndrome as a further price.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2459795]The BBC did a documentary "Mega brothel" that did a documentary on the the inside of the Paradise group, with numbers and interviewing the owners, managers, girls and customers. Josie, who starred, is very sweet and pretty funny, says she did about 15,000 customers over 8 years that is about right. Say 7 customers a day, 6 days a week = 42 a week. Say they work 48 weeks in a year: 2016 customers per annum...............
.................They earn their money and deserve our respect. When you shell out next time, keep that in mind, and that they give up their youth and beauty for what is not some astronomical sum. It only works if they go back home to some rural slum and are comparatively cashed up, but they will carry the scarlett letter syndrome as a further price.[/QUOTE]Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2459810]Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.[/QUOTE]Surely it would not have been enjoyable to watch episodes after that one if the child did indeed slowly starve to death while she was unable to find work due to prejudice?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2459810]Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.[/QUOTE]It makes me rethink my views on state benefits. A unemployed single mum in Scandinavia doesn't have to worry about anything. Whereas her counterpart in Colombia has no choice but to find some way of making money. Romania I guess is somewhere in between.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2459810]Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.[/QUOTE]I think it is a double edged sword really.

When it is the only way out of misery, it is not good. Something which can also be said about working at McDonalds, WalMart or god forbid FoxConn where people choose death and jump out the window instead of continuing to work! Prostitution is also bad if or when society shuts you out when finding out what you are doing. Just because there is a dogma against prostitution. So the repercussions are not good. And these two things are usually ingrained in the bad image of p6.

But,

The reason for why society has this dogma against prostitution may not be founded in a 21st Century liberal modern thought. It is most probably related to guys from ages past wanting their wife to have sex for the first time ever with them. Otherwise, she would have been worn out before they even met each other. And thus the idea arise that she would perhaps not love him as much because sex would not be as good for her. Her sensation would be kinda ruined. Maybe he'd also have a smaller dick? And even such, the same reason for why we have racism and other conflicts we may not be so proud of even today, may just also be the cause of why many people, and society from ages past has deemed prostitution to be bad. Simply because of bigotry, jealousy, selfishness and even racism. So by adhering to P6 as a hobby is almost like protesting for black lives matters. Just that here we are protesting for 'pussy for all matters', or some other slogan. But the liberal nature of it stands equally strong!

Plus,

Prostitution is all natural, and all mamals do it. And if you look at the only reason why not to do it, which is transmission of disease, such as covid-19, then today there are usually things we can do about that too.

So yeah, don't forget to consider Foxconn the next time you buy an apple product. Or a sony product, or anything they produce!

Once upon a time (10 years ago soon), when I was in Thailand. I asked a girl I barfined from Rainbow four.

"What do you think about the job you do?

She turns towards me, her eyes grows big, and she hugs me for 20 seconds while telling me how much better it is compared to her former job. Which was at a textile factory where she hardly made anything! Now she made over 1000 times more money, and it was far far less stressful. She hated her manager at the textile factory. While the mamasan at the gogo bar was alright.

So the next time you buy some clothing anywhere in the world, think about this! Long and hard!

I suppose all this discussion should be about is how independent the girls are. And the same goes for any worker in any job anywhere in the world. Not about how good or bad p6 is. Because it isn't bad in and of itself. People are bad, and bigotry is bad.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2459810]Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.[/QUOTE]I met many Romanian little mum, also some Russian escorts little mum, they are good for me, because more woman, sweet because used to be for their child, so surprised to be treated like a woman, knowing better their body than little girls robots. They come to this business when father run away, usually when they tell they are pregnant, to feed child and mother who take care of child while they are fucked. When I ask them what happened, they usually answer they prefer to live without father and they seem surprised when I ask if father come to see child, many don't. We don t all have same level for value. I think not so easy to be a girl in Romania, compare to some lazy kings, even some Romanians surprised me at work, very courageous under virus, happy they can work to get money as they say, but they impressed me and tell me funny stories.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2459834] So by adhering to P6 as a hobby is almost like protesting for black lives matters. Just that here we are protesting for 'pussy for all matters', or some other slogan. But the liberal nature of it stands equally strong![/QUOTE]Tute lives matter! LOL!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2459655]Fantastic.

Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]No problem. Keep in mind that I'm far from an expert on Frankfurt scene. There are other agencies that others can chime in.

Salaam Pistons and Phallus.

Indeed many of the problems attributed to prostitution are really problems with the way work is organized in the world in general.

The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. In this mode of work they have no way of improving their circumstances in a meaningful way, and consequently no motivation to improve their skills -- which of course ends up being bad for the customer side too. Meanwhile Big Pimp just keeps optimizing its returns: driving out competitors, creating artificial shortages, and many other evils.

Phallus: I have seen a few documentaries as well, and one thing I have noticed is that I keep hearing girls tell other girls that their appearance doesn't matter. But unfortunately in this job, in many places (not all), looks has a massive impact. Perhaps attitude is an equally strong factor, but looks is certainly one too. So it is probably not for all.

But I have also spoken to HR recruitment personnel from TV stations and banks to law firms with over 300 employees, and they usually tell me they don't care rats ass about grades. They usually look at what they call "presence", or "character". Or if you get to know these HR people even better, they will admit that in fact it is all about good looks.

Because you have to sell a product. To someone. To some other stakeholder. No matter who. Because all people, in all life situations are bigots. And if you don't play by the rules, you don't make money. That is how cruel life can be. But it is not something you only find in p6.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459875]Salaam Pistons and Phallus.

Indeed many of the problems attributed to prostitution are really problems with the way work is organized in the world in general.

The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. In this mode of work they have no way of improving their circumstances in a meaningful way, and consequently no motivation to improve their skills -- which of course ends up being bad for the customer side too. Meanwhile Big Pimp just keeps optimizing its returns: driving out competitors, creating artificial shortages, and many other evils.[/QUOTE]Well said. Like the girl who returned to the FKK because her 'boyfriend' crashed his Audi.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459875]The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. .[/QUOTE]If we think only about the girls in FKKs, they would never _need_ a pimp, like maybe in the case of escorting. The girls can live on premise or close by, the club takes care about the business of bringing clients over, ensures that the girls are paid and take care of weird or violent clients.

The question is, how do the clubs get new girls without pimps? Clubs can't advertise in Romania, it would be considered pimping.

I have seen videochat studio advertisements in Romania, but that's it.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459875]Salaam Pistons and Phallus.

Indeed many of the problems attributed to prostitution are really problems with the way work is organized in the world in general.

The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. In this mode of work they have no way of improving their circumstances in a meaningful way, and consequently no motivation to improve their skills -- which of course ends up being bad for the customer side too. Meanwhile Big Pimp just keeps optimizing its returns: driving out competitors, creating artificial shortages, and many other evils.[/QUOTE]I would say there is some kind of pimp or pimp like platform behind Romanian masses in German FKK. I am not biggest fan of Romanian prostitutes, but I do appreciate that pimp or pimp like platform sent these Romanian girls into German FKK for our pleasure. I have amazing memories with most of them.

Additionally, my fav being German girls in FKK, I did notice some of them have pimp or pimp like figure too, so I also thank these German pimp for sending these girls into FKK for our pleasure. Yes, some pimps mess up their girls with surgeries and tattoos like famous now long gone Andel girls, but many of these girls when they began were beautiful without too big fake tits and paints on their body, so that is when mongers who like natural body must enjoy these girls.

Like all things in life, Pimp existence in German FKK has its pros and cons, but in the end, more girls sent in FKK, better selections we have to choose from. I do agree that those with pimp tend to hold back service if you are standard 30 min standard rate monger, but if you go for one hour session with bit of charm and good manner, but with clear communication of what you want, these girls always gives you outstanding service for me need, which is hardcore dirty sex, so for me, I appreciate existence of Pimps in FKK. They may not be perfect humans, but we mongers are the demand side, so we are not in position to criticize one of our main supplier.

Also, it is back in early 2010's when pimp culture was rather open and big in FKK was when the line up had most stunners. I do miss line up of these early years, but like a lot of things in life. It has up and down, so I am hopeful that there will be peak of stunner wave coming up in future, sooner or later.

Most of us experienced mongers are already at privileged position of fucking so many different kind of beautiful girls from around world in their mouth, pussy and anal, even taking two at the same time for many years. Whether it is pimp or some kind of related platform or girls just walking in on their own to FKK, I am glad that supplier side is doing rather good job for our pleasure, giving us so much memories that echoes in eternity in our memory palace. Any supplier is welcome for me. I think without them, there would be much less girls including Romanians and my favorite germans.

Gratitude to all stakeholders of FKK life cycle and FKK food chain, without any of them including us mongers, this dream land would have been not possible.

Long live FKK culture that we love to indulge ourselves into!

[URL]https://www.waz.de/staedte/oberhausen/polizei-oberhausen-ermittelt-wegen-illegaler-prostitution-id229140762.html[/URL]

Just found that Article.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2459834]................Prostitution is all natural, and all mamals do it................[/QUOTE]All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2460012]All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0[/URL][/QUOTE]Monkeys do engage in prostitution when they are forced to use a monetary system. But granted it is not seen in the wild.

[URL]https://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/[/URL]

The penguins are plagued by a lack of solid providers, a limited supply of providers, and no review system. The female penguin prostitutes are notorious for providing very little sex in exchange for the rocks exchanged by the male penguins who live on the outskirts of the Penguin Colony. One of the worst countries for mongering in Chile, which is near the penguins. Perhaps there is a connection.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2460012]The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the share, your viewing material proves some sort of payment / exchange of physical item or services is required to proceed with copulation. Human do it all the time.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2460012]All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0[/URL][/QUOTE]And 50 more stones for cum in beak.

FC.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2460012]The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.[/QUOTE]I found this topic to be interesting, so I did a simple Google search, and this is what I found: [URL]https://www.zmescience.com/science/prostitution-animals/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2459596]Well spotted Mr Cane. Although the "Grauniad" is not going to give us the juiciest stuff.

All of Van Gogh's girlfriends /"girlfriends" were tutes. He was obsessed with them and brothels. In his admiration for beauty, he reminds me of Sirioja, except crazier.

Van Gogh was great friends with another painter, Gauguin. They both shared an unusually young and beautiful woman called Rachel. But they didn't fight over her: in fact she made them even greater friends. Van Gogh started to transfer some physical affection to Gauguin via Rachel. Weird but you all know the story of how Van Gogh cut off his ear? He had it delivered to Rachel. Well.[/QUOTE]I have no talent for painting, but for sure I was made for beauty in everything I do. Rachel and Madeleine are super erotic names, also really erotic to hear women speaking Russian, when Romanian is quite hard language like German, and hearing girls speaking Japanese or Chinese is killing desire sounds, anyway not attracted by Asian girls, even some are pretty like milky skin Chinese.

Salaams Polyamorist!

I will go further. Let's start by junking the pejorative labels and slogans and replacing it with with empirical evidence and functional equivalence. Let the evidence take us to where it leads rather than cherry-picking the evidence to reach a desired result. This is channeling Marx and Engels, but never mind. All societies need some level of government. The USA is far from the popular narrative of capitalism and rugged individualism. It is chock a block with trade protectionism (latest: 5 G and petro-dollars / reserve currency) selective subsidies (corn, ethanol etc) and indeed is the Scandinavia of corporate welfare, free money, bail outs and crony capitalism. Except for the little man. That is called socialism. This farce is perpetuated by not teaching kids how to critically evaluate evidence and become resistant to self-serving BS, and not teaching them math, especially compound interest and how to price stuff and make rational comparisons. As was pointed out here the other day, many of those dependent of health and welfare for the little man are the first to vote against it, substituting slogans against direct economic self-interest and wondering why their town is a rusting hulk full of meth and un / under / employment. The government is privatized. Its goal is managing decline and expectations of the plebs, offering empty words, distractions and nonsense like gender neutral toilets and other useless symbols and illusions over practical take home pay, disposable income and general happiness.

And so it is for P4P. Lots of women -prolly the majority- are exploited in gutting chickens at meat processing plants, Asian factory quasi slave labor, cleaning, housemaids, toiling in fields, and much more. Women tend to be more compliant to rules. That is why many exploitative industries are "pink collar" we are not allowed to admit. These factors destroy their health, youth, opportunities and happiness; the pay is crap and they have no security of income or say over the workplace, and often no benefits, such as the gig economy. Others work in the household for no pay at all (excluding kept women/trophy wives). They are effectively organic robots grudgingly fed the minimum to survive. Then the government takes it cut and offers little to nothing in return, certainly not access to policy making. Finally, they are fired the second they get sick, old or fall behind some KPI metric and left without income. As for getting genuine thanks from their employer. Or enslaver. Hah hah. The feminist creed fails to weigh the credible, accessible economic alternatives. Most women are not educated socially mobile feminist studies lecturers on $USD100 k plus. What is the economic demographic of the feminist protestors against P4 P or Nordic models? Most will probably be at least comfortably well off and from stable families. Protesting on moral issues is a luxury sport.

Factoring that in, P4 P placed into a rational perspective is not so bad, and clearly the number of women joining it speaks volumes: they have done the calculation over the alternatives. What I was surprised to learn is that all that hard work and long hours only translates into living wage, roughly EUR30-50 per hour when all input costs (including time sitting around on the cab rank) are factored it. On the other hand, getting up early, commuting, working long and hard hours in an insecure job with constant psychological terror of KPI scoreboards, outsourcing and automation and ever reduced compensation is hardly fun either. So don't feel bad. P4 P offers options, just as washing dishes or working on an assembly line. At least the girls at FKK's don't jump out of windows like at Foxconn and sweat shops in China. They also get more autonomy compared ting employee KR6728 D at station BV106 doing repetitive task AA601 for 12 hours a day, replete with KPI nag meters that are the equivalent of the drom in a Roman galley ship or the lash. It is still psychological terror.

So yeah, Polyamorist is right. Society is highly exploitative and lacks empathy. Sounds like the book "the selfish gene" the Wall Street boys worship to justify their input cost subsidized, protected from bad bets, little or no tax, and restricted entry to competition positions that is the opposite of their claimed ideology and smugness. This seems to overlap with the Nordic model advocates from their comfy and protected lifestyles that many of their sisters do not enjoy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2459745]Anyone remember some years ago the guy at Sharks who spent a ton of money on a girl in the club over a period of time and it did not turn out as he wanted and he released a chemical in the club?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SanchoPanza;2459776]Everybody at Sharks told me it was some crazy guy from London, sort of Asian looking.[/QUOTE]Very interesting posts. Does anyone know any more about this incident in Sharks?

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2460030]And 50 more stones for cum in beak.

FC.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, they always say that prostitution is usually accompanied by criminal activity. This horny penguin was stealing stones from other penguins.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw7LT2imcbE[/URL]

Salaams again Polyamorist and Siroja and Mr Cane (and Pistons).

Van Gogh probably would not have suffered so cruelly if FKK's were around. Being horny in the male warps behavior and makes us weird around women, confusing lust with emotions. Rachel is a sexy name, but don't forget Lilith from Babylonian times, the original temptress along with Eve. Anna is also sweet. The wonder on women is that there are so many beauties: Russian, Moroccan, Asian, African and more. A good old saucy English tart is pretty wild too. Much of sex is between the ears, our perceptions, accents, tone of voice, full lips, nice breasts, skin. Ahhhh. That is what this hobby is about. Savoring life itself in the infinitesimal period we strut about this speck of a planet in a vast universe (s).

Let's not forget Odysseus saving himself from the charms of Aglaopheme and Thelxiepeia and her friends as he sailed between Scylla and Charybdis. Luckily he knew their charms were an illusion, and sharp beaks awaited to have him join the bones of other males beguiled by feminine charms.

FKK's are a unique institution, the functional equivalent once only for royalty. Here we get to sample luscious young women, genuine NSA fun. My only wish would be a FKK on the ski slopes in Italy with a revolving 24 hour pass and lady shift catering to the mornings, a morning BJ, lunch warm up and after dinner leisurely time debauchery, a berry grappe or amaro nonino in fine glassware, perhaps in a spa with a lovely watching the snow fall. Who else here is into the best life has to offer?

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[QUOTE=Turgid;2460012]All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't think you 'need to come across it' for it to be a fact.

One of the most well known examples are the dirt, or dung beetle, where the males pay the females with balls of shit in order to have sex. Shit is valuable because it contains nutrients otherwise hard to come by on the bottom of the jungle.

Scientists thought some birds were the species who did the least amount of p6. But DNA studies showed that even among the most faithful of birds, over 60% were someone elses. And they trade food and resources like all others of course.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2460524]I don't think you 'need to come across it' for it to be a fact.

One of the most well known examples are the dirt, or dung beetle, where the males pay the females with balls of shit in order to have sex. Shit is valuable because it contains nutrients otherwise hard to come by on the bottom of the jungle.

Scientists thought some birds were the species who did the least amount of p6. But DNA studies showed that even among the most faithful of birds, over 60% were someone elses. And they trade food and resources like all others of course.[/QUOTE]And we humans are complicated enough to use printed papers that we printed LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2460546]And we humans are complicated enough to use printed papers that we printed LOL.[/QUOTE]The notes are just simpler when person be only wants what person J produces, and not what person K or see has.

But they really are a dinosaur technology now that we can make blockchain currencies.

And the central bankers are slow, while the private bankers might be lobbying against it too. Because with a good blockchain crypto currency, there are essentially 0 need for a private bank. We would only need a central bank. And even the central bank can cut jobs.

Most of the market traders would also collapse, as that would also be digitalized through blockchain technology. And main street would be directing investments through crowdfunding, or crowdsoursing (hobby), which is a far superior market driven approach than the top down investment system we have today. Which is also a dinosaur system.

But lazy people in power positions are scared of change, and some are half senile. Or they don't understand the technology, or want it cause of some lack of corruption power it may include.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2460642]The notes are just simpler when person be only wants what person J produces, and not what person K or see has.

But they really are a dinosaur technology now that we can make blockchain currencies.

And the central bankers are slow, while the private bankers might be lobbying against it too. Because with a good blockchain crypto currency, there are essentially 0 need for a private bank. We would only need a central bank. And even the central bank can cut jobs.

Most of the market traders would also collapse, as that would also be digitalized through blockchain technology. And main street would be directing investments through crowdfunding, or crowdsoursing (hobby), which is a far superior market driven approach than the top down investment system we have today. Which is also a dinosaur system.

But lazy people in power positions are scared of change, and some are half senile. Or they don't understand the technology, or want it cause of some lack of corruption power it may include.[/QUOTE]Like the famous saying, "Corruption is why we win."

[QUOTE=Pistons;2460642]The notes are just simpler when person be only wants what person J produces, and not what person K or see has.

But they really are a dinosaur technology now that we can make blockchain currencies.

And the central bankers are slow, while the private bankers might be lobbying against it too. Because with a good blockchain crypto currency, there are essentially 0 need for a private bank. We would only need a central bank. And even the central bank can cut jobs.

Most of the market traders would also collapse, as that would also be digitalized through blockchain technology. And main street would be directing investments through crowdfunding, or crowdsoursing (hobby), which is a far superior market driven approach than the top down investment system we have today. Which is also a dinosaur system.

But lazy people in power positions are scared of change, and some are half senile. Or they don't understand the technology, or want it cause of some lack of corruption power it may include.[/QUOTE]True, but I ask this question in all seriousness: What happens to blockchain when the electric grid collapses?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2460811]True, but I ask this question in all seriousness: What happens to blockchain when the electric grid collapses?[/QUOTE]Japan has a double electric grid.

Also, Nikola Tesla was onto something, although this is a bit further into the future, and will first be used for G7 (2040's) or G8 (2050's) data transfers:

[URL]https://vizivtechnologies.com/about/our-mission-values/[/URL]

This is basically a company started by former heads of US military departments, former energy companies and secret divisions of the US government closely linked to the units claimed to have stolen Nikola Tesla's research paper as soon as he died.

They use what is known as the zenneck surface wave to transmit power from and to anywhere in the world. It is an electromagnetic wave enclosing the earth, with tremendous potential.

This is what Tesla was working on, and what this company known as Viziv Technologies now claim to be working on. Although they already have had the technology for decades, and are now just acting as if it is a new idea. Still, we won't get it before in 2 or 3 decades. But from then, it will be slowly ramped up.

Translation: The use for a grid at all is a farse, and total waste of resources. Again, corruption and control of power and money is what has lead us here, and probably what made someone also kill Nikola. Since he wanted to release this for free. Imagine free energy!

They need those dollars and you really can't restrict families to be this long apart. But the article says otherwise.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/world/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-travel-ban.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2460857]They need those dollars and you really can't restrict families to be this long apart. But the article says otherwise.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/world/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-travel-ban.html[/URL][/QUOTE]As far as I know, many nations are opening borders as summer seasons are on the way to boost declined hospitality industry.

It is not EU, but I think Turkey just opened its borders to most or all tourists including tourists from USA.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2460849]Japan has a double electric grid.

Also, Nikola Tesla was onto something, although this is a bit further into the future, and will first be used for G7 (2040's) or G8 (2050's) data transfers:

[URL]https://vizivtechnologies.com/about/our-mission-values/[/URL]

This is basically a company started by former heads of US military departments, former energy companies and secret divisions of the US government closely linked to the units claimed to have stolen Nikola Tesla's research paper as soon as he died.[/QUOTE]This pandemic may help bitcoin industry to thrive, but I prefer paper currencies. Old school, you know.

I think this digital currencies make people spend more easily than paper currencies due to more convenience of actual paying action.

Europe does not need dollars that much. Europe will decide on the basis of cases per million. Simple unbiased yardstick.

I still feel they'll succumb under pressue and allow US citizens in.

No way! They don't allow US salmonella loaded chicken into the trading block and they don't need the few American tourists.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2461059]I still feel they'll succumb under pressue and allow US citizens in.

No way! They don't allow US salmonella loaded chicken into the trading block and they don't need the few American tourists.[/QUOTE]Germany does not allow US GMO food into their country. They don't play. They won't allow Americans in until we get our act together and significantly reduce infections. With infections increasing rather than decreasing I will have to continue banging these escorts who I would have avoided if I saw them in an FKK and I'm paying more to boot.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461080]With infections increasing rather than decreasing I will have to continue banging these escorts who I would have avoided if I saw them in an FKK and I'm paying more to boot.[/QUOTE]I'm saving my money and building up a nice war chest for when it's feasible to return to my favorite P4P stomping grounds. Oh, and just dreaming of all of those pretty girl butt holes just waiting for me to re-appear again with my fists full of euros for the taking!

Club in Holland will re-open on July 1st. Since there is only one saunaclub, and this is few kilometers from German (and Belgian) border, it probable will be full of men next week!

The funny thing is that it will be full with men who constantly talk shit about it on the internet but since it's the only open club and they have a terrible sex addiction issue, they'll rush to the club (and then they'll talk shit about it or maybe they'll say that it changed a lot and now it's a perfectly fine place).

[QUOTE=Maxime;2461136]Club in Holland will re-open on July 1st. Since there is only one saunaclub, and this is few kilometers from German (and Belgian) border, it probable will be full of men next week![/QUOTE]For sure, Germans on border will move to empty balls, maybe also some NRW WGs looking for business, but would prefer so much for YY. Best for me at 6 ens are foods and drinks. Wait and see if will really open. Finca didn't.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2461033]Europe does not need dollars that much. Europe will decide on the basis of cases per million. Simple unbiased yardstick.[/QUOTE]Europe need USD and we even know we don't have so big sanitary risks from US, much more from Asia, but do you think Trump is a good, reliable ambassador for you, when he is so crazy. But Europe have to protect itself when we had around 200 000 deaths, too many, and Germany is even in trouble in some parts now.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461183]Best for me at 6 ens are foods and drinks[/QUOTE]Any examples of food?

Earlier reports seemed to indicate that the food was just at the standard FKK level.

What is making me laugh is guys telling others have addiction because they go more often than them, but they don't know the medical meaning of addiction, and if they could afford, if they had enough money, they would also go more often. I know guys who are in brothels 6 days per week, sometimes paying for 3 Swiss clubs in a day, and not the faintest problem for me. On 2016 golden year, I was most often from Thursday evening and leaving in Monday / Tuesday night, but I think I became bored of prostitute behavior. On last Thursday, after 3 months, I was not able to go to any girl at Swiss when I stayed for 4 hours. On Friday, I needed 2 hours to go to a elegant look, even we did chat during breakfast, but real effort to go to her for sex. I really need to train.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2461192]Any examples of food?

Earlier reports seemed to indicate that the food was just at the standard FKK level.[/QUOTE]Quite good breakfast, quite good foods for me, fruit juices. Swimming pool in garden. Club is OK, staff is nice. Casting may improve if some NRW girls improve level. Entry only 50 . Girls for 50/30.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461193]What is making me laugh is guys telling others have addiction because they go more often than them, but they don't know the medical meaning of addiction, and if they could afford, if they had enough money, they would also go more often. I know guys who are in brothels 6 days per week, sometimes paying for 3 Swiss clubs in a day, and not the faintest problem for me. On 2016 golden year, I was most often from Thursday evening and leaving in Monday / Tuesday night, but I think I became bored of prostitute behavior. On last Thursday, after 3 months, I was not able to go to any girl at Swiss when I stayed for 4 hours. On Friday, I needed 2 hours to go to a elegant look, even we did chat during breakfast, but real effort to go to her for sex. I really need to train.[/QUOTE]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.

So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2461192]Any examples of food?

Earlier reports seemed to indicate that the food was just at the standard FKK level.[/QUOTE]Usually they serve salmon which is rather good and for the BBQ, they sometimes give you two tickets for beefsteaks which are clearly better than the usual sausages you get in an usual sauna club BBQ. So it's above the average sauna club level but it's not a restaurant.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2461154]The funny thing is that it will be full with men who constantly talk shit about it on the internet but since it's the only open club and they have a terrible sex addiction issue, they'll rush to the club (and then they'll talk shit about it or maybe they'll say that it changed a lot and now it's a perfectly fine place).[/QUOTE]I think if you look harder you will find a couple more options.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2461210]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.

So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.[/QUOTE]Addiction have real medical meaning about not being able to control and suffering, nothing about being regular. When so many jealous about some others in brothels, some are even more interested by other guys than girls, but I would be much more jealous if I saw outside a beautiful woman with 2 children kissing with love her man, than about paid sex. In this business, our difference is what we are which make girls treat us in different way and really easy to notice in clubs how a girl feel with the guy, you can see very different behavior.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2461210]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.

So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.[/QUOTE]I have habits of buying beautiful prostitutes since when I was 17 or 18 years old and this is the habits that I keep secret, but I am very proud of my accomplishment of fucking so many beautiful girls. As a man, having fucked so many beautiful stunners are good thing, but it is somehow denounced by society for their own torture. At least, for some of us mongers, we lived life to the fullest in sex area of our life when we die. Isn't it amazing?

I am a sex addict who can control myself as I do not jump on random strangers, but I love fucking young beautiful girls, it is one of the greatest pleasure in life that make me feel so alive. I understand mongers hiding it in their private lives like I do, but I do not understand why some mongers criticize other mongers for being sex addict as we are all in same cave fucking same set of girls in FKK.

Having said that, we are on the right path, we have been and we will always will be on this path leading up to young beautiful girls pussy or anal, so monger on mongers, there is no shame in what we are doing, we are doing right thing in life as a man. We dreamed of it once when we were little boy and we managed to make that dream into reality.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2461210]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.

So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.[/QUOTE]I always maintain that guys who complain of others having too much sex have personal problems. When those complainers get in positions of power that is where the problem lies. Case in point NY mayor Rudy Giuliani who shut down the New York city sex industry had erectile dysfunction as do many men in high positions in the US, that is why the US sex industry is so dismal.

The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.

Reply from EL: I think that more guys with high positions have mistresses than the poor one, also there is sex outside visiting prostitutes, and for me at least my best sex was never with a prostitutes, I retired more or less from the P6 scene but that doesn't mean I am no more active, I just don't want to pay any more for average girls. It is possible if you are not to stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.

France (10 percent GDP, 89 million foreign tourists, less than 4 percent from USA).

Spain (15 percent GDP, 82 million foreign tourists, less than 4 percent from USA).

Italy (10 percent GDP, 63 million foreign tourists, 9 percent from USA).

Germany (less than 5 percent GDP, 35 million foreign tourists and 7 percent from USA).

Looking at total trips made by EU residents, 71 percent made trips within their own country, 21 percent were to another EU country. And only 8 percent of the trips were outside the EU. Due to the pandemic, this 8 percent will probably be reluctant not travel outside of the EU, and instead will opt to holiday inside the EU. That should offset most of the money that American and Russian tourists would have spent.

168 million tourists entered the EU from non-EU countries in 2018. Breakdown: 23 percent from Asia, 17 percent came from North America, and 49 percent from United Kingdom, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and other European countries.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Germany[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Italy[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Spain[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_France[/URL]

[URL]https://wolfstreet.com/2020/03/07/tourism-contributed-10-to-gdp-in-france-13-in-italy-15-in-spain-now-its-in-free-fall/[/URL]

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20200323-1[/URL]

Reading your numbers McA, I'd say Italy and France for sure. But not so much Spain given the lower price point in Spain than in Germany. And most tourists in Spain are also Europeans. So the USD is of less importance. While in Italy and France, the tourism has a more global character, and so it is affected more by the USD. Germany falls in between on global / European reliance. But as you noted, has a higher percentage of american tourists of the total, than say France and Spain.

The general assumption I have, which I believe is more or less true, is that:

Asians think highly of France as a tourism destination, and think it is posh.

Europeans want to go to the Spanish beaches. And along the Spanish coasts, there are countless villages filled up with hundreds of thousands, or even a few million vacation homes owned by people from UK, Germany, Benelux and Scandinavia. Plus Spain also have the canary islands: the only place in EU where you can actually get a good vacation temperature from Dec.-Feb. Since the turn of the millennia, Turkey has come up as a second version of Spain, but fascist Erdogan has lately done his best to reverse some of this.

North Americans usually combine a trip to Europe to visit 3rd, or even 4th cousins, many of which hails from Germany, with some historical sights in Italy and Greece, and also to some extent Paris and London.

And then everybody likes Greece. But the Greeks have this above and below attitude towards tourism. And so the prices there are higher. They have double pricing some places (turkey is also terrible at this), and they really do think their sights are the best in the world. So they make that excuse to stay lazy and live off of only tourism for the entire year. Which doesn't always hold up.

Greece is probably loosing by this lockout the most by the way.

Personally speaking, I have zero appetite for any vacay in EU for the time being (or even in US, for that matter) and most of my friends circle are in a similar head space. A few are flying domestically for vacations, but with US seeing a renewed uptick, we may see this vacation impulse dwindle further. As such, this European ban on US tourists probably has very limited practical impact IMO, as not many were going to go anyway. But I thought it was a hoot, as our POTUS made a big deal in mid March about putting a ban on Europeans traveling to US (and excluded UK from that ban for a few days, as a reward for his buddy BoJo. Another joke, as UK ended up being the worst Covid spot in EU) and the roles are now reversed. This Wuhan virus has brought our country to its knees but our potus did not make the matters easy with his ineptness.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2461326]The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.[/QUOTE]Yes, totally agree with that. I do remember the young guy in love with Janine at Sharks. Once, while he was in the bathroom, I approached Janine sitting on the couch for a session and off we went! He gave me a bad look when I came down the stairs with a big grin on my face hand-in-hand with Janine. I had the same reaction from the guy, who was in love with Lena. De, always at Sharks. Priceless!

Rock.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2461326]The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.[/QUOTE]People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.

Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461184]Europe need USD and we even know we don't have so big sanitary risks from US, much more from Asia, but do you think Trump is a good, reliable ambassador for you, when he is so crazy. But Europe have to protect itself when we had around 200 000 deaths, too many, and Germany is even in trouble in some parts now.[/QUOTE]Europe need USD and not only for tourism, but Trump is a so bad image for us, dangerous crazy, same like with WGs, when they have bad image for me, I don't go. I m pretty sure with a much more clever than Trump, US would have been welcome in Europe before mid July, even Germany will still be closed for brothels, but not only Germany, when we know most of those who still need a gun under pillow to kill last Mohican on white horse with no name, don t travel much abroad, they prefer to count children or black killed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461557]People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.

Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.[/QUOTE]As a rich celebrity, Wilt Chamberlain had an abundance of sexual opportunities as a part of his everyday life. In other words, he flirted with a White American stewardess while travelling to the next city with his teammates, then had a sexual encounter with her at his hotel the night before competition. Also he retired at age 27 a wealthy man. Your typical ISGer is not a retired one-percenter or a celebrity who has pretty civilian WGs from rich Western countries throwing themselves at him, so they make more sacrifices to have sex with young beauties.

BB69's point is that it is not about the physical act of sex. Here is a hypothetical example: Married executive working in downtown Frankfurt making half a million EUR per year. If this monger had a 60 minute booking everyday during his lunch break at an incall location less than 15 minutes from his office, I do not think that BB69 would characterise him as a sex-addicted monger obsessed with the hobby. Because such a monger is investing less than ten hours per week on the hobby, spending zero minutes per day reading and posting to forums, and spending only a fraction of his income.

Quotes from lawyer friend that suggest that Wilt Chamberlain probably did not have to sacrifice much to have sex with 20,000 women:.[QUOTE]"He made movies, wrote books, played music and tennis," Goldberg said. "He was a Renaissance man who happened to play basketball."

"Women would leap across the room to say hi to him," Goldberg said. "Whenever he came home and checked his voice mail, he'd have 30 to 40 messages from women."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-08-14-0108140231-story.html..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2461397]Greece is probably loosing by this lockout the most by the way.[/QUOTE]Of the EU member states, Greece is most dependent on tourists (up to 25 percent of its GDP). I posted statistics for Germany, France, Spain and Italy because I suspect these larger economies have more influence on which countries appear on the travel ban list. If Greece was in charge, I am sure they would have zero issues with letting Americans in. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Greece[/URL].

[QUOTE=Pistons;2461397]Reading your numbers McA, I'd say Italy and France for sure. But not so much Spain given the lower price point in Spain than in Germany. And most tourists in Spain are also Europeans. So the USD is of less importance. While in Italy and France, the tourism has a more global character, and so it is affected more by the USD. Germany falls in between on global / European reliance. But as you noted, has a higher percentage of american tourists of the total, than say France and Spain.[/QUOTE]The statistics show that almost half of Spain's tourists come from three countries: UK, Germany, and France. And over 20 percent come from UK. A British working class family of four may have lost some wages during this pandemic, and fuel is cheap, so will this British family just decide to do a holiday closer to home and travel by car this summer? If car travel becomes primary mode of holiday travel, then I think Spain's remoteness will result in less tourist traffic, which means French and Italian beach towns will be able to retain more domestic tourists and gain a bigger share of the the North European tourists.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2461397]Asians think highly of France as a tourism destination, and think it is posh.[/QUOTE]France and Italy are probably more dependent on Asian tourists then Spain. Chinese account for 30 percent of the spending on luxury goods worldwide and most of them do their luxury goods shopping outside of China. LV costs 50 percent more in China than in EU. Armani is 70 percent more. But is it worth the trouble and extra hassle for Chinese to travel to EU this year? [URL]https://theculturetrip.com/asia/china/articles/chinese-dominate-luxury-shoppers-in-europe-but-that-might-be-changing/[/URL].

So right!

It's also the thrill of getting what you want from these young, beautiful girls against money. Being frustrated with the lockdown, I have found myself a GF. But it's not the same. I can't expect her to do everything I want.

I can't treat her like a working girl. How much I miss that!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2461284]I have habits of buying beautiful prostitutes since when I was 17 or 18 years old and this is the habits that I keep secret, but I am very proud of my accomplishment of fucking so many beautiful girls. As a man, having fucked so many beautiful stunners are good thing, but it is somehow denounced by society for their own torture. At least, for some of us mongers, we lived life to the fullest in sex area of our life when we die. Isn't it amazing?

I am a sex addict who can control myself as I do not jump on random strangers, but I love fucking young beautiful girls, it is one of the greatest pleasure in life that make me feel so alive. I understand mongers hiding it in their private lives like I do, but I do not understand why some mongers criticize other mongers for being sex addict as we are all in same cave fucking same set of girls in FKK.

Having said that, we are on the right path, we have been and we will always will be on this path leading up to young beautiful girls pussy or anal, so monger on mongers, there is no shame in what we are doing, we are doing right thing in life as a man. We dreamed of it once when we were little boy and we managed to make that dream into reality.[/QUOTE]

Addiction is accompanied by dependence and withdrawal syndrome. Dependence is both physical and psychological. There is desensitization. Excessive or repeated consumption alone would not qualify as addiction. I drink coffee every day or multiple times on many days. But I also never get a headache on days when I do not consume coffee, I do not crave it, and I can go multiple days w / o coffee w / o any physical effects. I would characterize my interest in paid sex in the same category as coffee, in that when the chance presents I do partake a good amount of paid sex but lack of consumption of paid sex for extended periods does not seem to bother me. Due to Covid risk, I have even stayed away from my sugar babes and they are plenty, in easy reach and desperately seeking money in these tough times. The only thing I seem to be somewhat addicted is social networks. Not necessarily on this site which is new to me (one year+) but some other social forums and whatsapp groups etc. However, while I have increased my usage of these social networks in this period of WFH, I don't believe I will have physical or psychological impact if I withdraw from this activity in total suddenly.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2461588]So right!

It's also the thrill of getting what you want from these young, beautiful girls against money. Being frustrated with the lockdown, I have found myself a GF. But it's not the same. I can't expect her to do everything I want.

I can't treat her like a working girl. How much I miss that![/QUOTE]I actually had very fond memories from normal girls relationships as most of my normal girlfriends when it comes to sex and in part also from daily life too, but these things come with indirect cost both money, time and effort 24/7 doing things that I do not really want to do, so that I can retain the relationship, so I can have sex.

Mongering always has been side safety net like thing for me till I became around 26, but more I grow older and wiser or rational, I began to realize that all I want from women are to be beautiful and sexual, I tend to not like accompany of women, I used to do all the courting that is so irrational, so I can get sex, but rational character that I am, I found better path that fit my personality, which is efficient mongering. The game changed for me when I realized that mongering industry constantly offer stunners that are around 20 years old, so I did the simple math, which one is better for the life I like to live.

All escorts are open here in Tokyo, but I have not been to it because I am not frustrated; I just went to mongering trip in end of Jan and early Feb, so I am quite OK, but more than that, I am 40 years old this year and I have been mongering for 22 or 23 years now this year, so I fucked so many beautiful girls throughout my life that I have reached little bit of sexual zen stage. I even think I will not go to FKK this year, or even next with this pandemic going on. Why risk messing up my lung permanently, plus, I already by coincidence accomplish my set goal of going on mongering trip at least once a year every year. I guess the fate of mongering forced my to go earl this year, so I could accomplish that goal of mine this year too LOL.

I will continue to monger for rest of my life and sex with beautiful women only because it is one of very important thing in my life as a man to able to say I lived my life to the fullest. Unfortunately, due to societal denouncement, I cannot openly talk about mongering part of my life, but I often realize how lucky I am and some of us mongers are for able to accomplish every man's dream of continuously fucking only beautiful stunner girls. I fucked few stunner porn stars and it is very fulfilling feeling to stand in center of Tokyo to realized, wow I fucked girls that most of men here walking now jerked off to before in their life. I turned dream into reality where as those who denounce mongers spend their life jerking off to some porn stars that they will never fuck in reality.

It is funny how human kind denounce and has been oppressing man's nature: lust for beautiful girls. I would say over 90 percent of men ever lived wasted their life away locked up in their brainwashed ideology prison that society install to their brain via TV, education and various other media channel, but they choose to imprison themselves for their own misery. So they can keep on jerking off for rest of their life and stick their penis into love of their life old aging wife's old pussy.

However, some of us can think for ourselves and found a better way to live the life we want to live, so we have different more beautiful holes of our choice to stick our penis into. Monger on mongers.

Reply from EL: I am not proud to fuck prostitutes, it is really not a performance, the performance would be to achieve the same with none prostitute without paying. Never a girl refused me in 15.

Years of mongering. We keep it secret because in fact we are not proud, for sure if we were able to do it with none prostitutes we will advertise it a lot.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2461542]Yes, totally agree with that. I do remember the young guy in love with Janine at Sharks. Once, while he was in the bathroom, I approached Janine sitting on the couch for a session and off we went! He gave me a bad look when I came down the stairs with a big grin on my face hand-in-hand with Janine. I had the same reaction from the guy, who was in love with Lena. De, always at Sharks. Priceless!

Rock.[/QUOTE]Being in love with prostitute is dangerous thing, sometimes it lead to murder or some kind of violence acts. Both mongers and prostitutes should be careful with this to avoid further misfortune that took place in FKK before.

In FKK, we buy sex and illusions, not love, but for some new guys on the block, it is confusing because some girls do really provide you with outstanding sex with so many sweet things to say to you with sweet treatment. It is nice illusions to buy, but bad illusion to believe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461557]People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.

Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.[/QUOTE]Of course Roman Catholic Priests abstain from sex with beautiful girls all their life because they tend to fancy men, they prefer man to man anal actions, not with women like we do.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2461642]Addiction is accompanied by dependence and withdrawal syndrome. Dependence is both physical and psychological. There is desensitization. Excessive or repeated consumption alone would not qualify as addiction. I drink coffee every day or multiple times on many days. But I also never get a headache on days when I do not consume coffee, I do not crave it, and I can go multiple days w / o coffee w / o any physical effects. I would characterize my interest in paid sex in the same category as coffee, in that when the chance presents I do partake a good amount of paid sex but lack of consumption of paid sex for extended periods does not seem to bother me. Due to Covid risk, I have even stayed away from my sugar babes and they are plenty, in easy reach and desperately seeking money in these tough times. The only thing I seem to be somewhat addicted is social networks. Not necessarily on this site which is new to me (one year+) but some other social forums and whatsapp groups etc. However, while I have increased my usage of these social networks in this period of WFH, I don't believe I will have physical or psychological impact if I withdraw from this activity in total suddenly.[/QUOTE]Many write here without knowing anything about real medical meaning and same about many other things, just from frustration. For me, much more interesting to see big differences in clubs, just real facts. Yesterday my eyes smiled so much at Amesia, when I'm bored of prostitutes images, when Globe lost chic and charm, but it was Christmas time for my eyes used to elegance, chic and beauty. When Megan twin for face and she comes from same town, put off her clothes, when I saw her superb pears shape natural tits without silicon, her angel face with so beautiful smile, her round ass, her nails, her skin, and wow rare aura for second one, chic, charm and elegance in a brothel, more and more rare now, only pandas at Globe now but they are very hidden, was it suffering, or pleasure? I m afraid I may return today to give again pleasure to my eyes and mind, even I know my best pleasure will to go to ski for maximum attack in Tignes on July. Each one should just be able to enjoy on own level and not only about money but even more about level with women, rather than getting more and more frustrated, when I confirm manners paid me about 20 mn for free in Switzerland when cost could have been 160 CHF more, but 2 girls wanted to be sure I finished and enjoyed with them. Maybe I was lucky about slow business. When some are just getting big frustration in clubs. I remember before starting here on end of 2014 , I was for 2 years on another forum written in French with same name coming from how call me my Russian escorts, I was just discovering FKK land on end of 2012 , but writing my weekly visits all around, I made claimed experts on this forum becoming mad crazy, they wanted to meet the new alien, for sure when meeting some, we couldn't have same experiences. Your face, not being fat and of course manners, skill and a bit of knowledge about women, learned with my love for my girlfriends, help a lot in brothels when money is not always all. When I started DATY, first one who was on her fifth day in this business, understood, then she wide opened, asking me to give her pleasure, then turned to magic passionate, nothing about ridiculous love with a girl fucked by everybody, but just pleasure and emotions, not only boring emptying balls filling a hole. Second with wow look even turned too wild for me, but funny to see chic elegance becoming crazy, even losing a bit of sensuality I prefer. We have to be able to make own pleasure according to our level.

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Pessimist, Ho, Turgid:

The term "sexual addiction" distracts a bit from BB69's main point (he can correct me at anytime). Let's refocus on the second part of what BB69 said: "obsessed with the hobby, losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened".

Here is another hypothetical example: Monger has a 200 day per year habit of seeing WGs and then one day he tragically gets into a car accident and becomes a paraplegic who can no longer feel anything below the waist. Such a man could still be obsessed with the hobby. He can still spend 18 hours a day reading and posting to sex forums. Lonely and isolated, this man's fantasies serve as his companionship and entertainment. At some point, the lines between imagination and reality blur. He no longer differentiates memories from his fantasies with memories from actual events. He may read a report from Sharks the previous week about a new 18 yo WG that just arrived. A few days later, he has a fantasy about visiting the club and having an amazing GFE session with her, and posts his field report. To us readers, he would be lying, but if this monger believes everything that he writes, I do not know if we can characterise this as lying.

The above might seem like a contrived example, but WGs deal with men like this in the clubs all the time, less extreme of course.

[QUOTE]"Psychotic and delusional stalkers simply cannot separate fact from fiction. Even an imaginary love is better than no love at all. All delusional stalkers hold onto a fixed false belief that keeps them bonded to their victims. The core of their obsession is based on fantasy; what they cannot attain in reality is achieved through this fantasy.

[b]The typical profile of delusional stalkers is that of a single, socially immature loner, who has been unable to establish or sustain close relationships with others[/b]. Delusional stalkers rarely date and have had few, if any, sexual relationships. They usually come from an emotionally barren or severely abusive childhood; growing up to have a very poor sense of their own identities. Most delusional stalkers have a predisposition toward psychosis.[/QUOTE]Thoughts on above: (1) I believe that WG definitely falls under the category of a "helping profession", (2) I believe the "socially immature loner" is more prevalent in the FKK clubs than the general population. Most of them are well-behaved, easy-going gentleman, but a small fraction go on to become unhinged, delusional stalkers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2461684]................It is funny how human kind denounce and has been oppressing man's nature: lust for beautiful girls. I would say over 90 percent of men ever lived wasted their life away locked up in their brainwashed ideology prison that society install to their brain via TV, education and various other media channel, but they choose to imprison themselves for their own misery. So they can keep on jerking off for rest of their life and stick their penis into love of their life old aging wife's old pussy.

However, some of us can think for ourselves and found a better way to live the life we want to live, so we have different more beautiful holes of our choice to stick our penis into. Monger on mongers.[/QUOTE]When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461791]I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.[/QUOTE]According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: [URL]https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheCane;2461806]According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: [URL]https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2461845]And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.[/QUOTE]Why thank you! American "exceptionalism" for sure!

Philosophy abounds with people who warn against following the flock of sheep and beware of brainwashing. Our entire society is built on myths / laws / mores that enables groups beyond about 150 to function. But is still a big church of differing religions, politics, wealth and income distribution. As to the Johns classes, it is not that long ago that Alan Turing was judicially tortured for being gay, and there are many recent examples of the tools of psychiatrists to "correct" proscribed behavior. Laying down little judgments, funny looks its how it starts and progresses to prisons, used for such things as not believing in religion or the wrong religion / creed / sexuality etc etc. It's doubtful there is much "normal" in sexual behavior because the data refuses to cooperate with bell curve nonsense. It becomes even more erratic because of the liar factor and second order effects.

Mongering was extremely common in the past and normalized. It still is in many places and will be around for the foreseeable future. Anyone who has been to Gambia or South Africa know that white women pay for young men, and same in ancient Rome.

As far as mongering goes, banging lots of young beauties is fine, just as sampling different restaurants, movies, etc is fine. The moral issues mask deeper power plays about reproduction of economic units that requires a stable support arrangement for women and kids and also the limited shelf life of womens fertility. Monogamous sex is thought to be the glue to this in Western culture, though other societies less so. P4 P undermines this. The John Classes claim to "cure" paying for sex, on the presumption men lack impulse control and that P4 P is rape and violence towards women (as a proxy for other frustrations) disguised by the exchange of cash, based on the notion women selling sex have no choice or agency in the matter and are all effectively trafficked and / or under age / insert buzz phrase. Also buried in their typical "training" materials is that the johns need the therapy to form "normal" relationships on the flawed assumption they are loners without friends and love and are dysfunctional. As you can see, some pretty huge assumptions exist. They are based of pure assertion without any serious empirical evidence.

The Nordic model goes even further, aiding one side of the equation and punishing the other that would not exist but for aiding the first half. The end result is criminalizing sexual desire, but practically only for men. But if I employ a woman to clean my toilets and scrub pots and pans or factory work in really shitty conditions and law pay, that's apparently OK, and not an addiction, no matter how much it affects the dignity, health or happiness of the worker.

Why is that when sex is involved in the exchange of labor for money, it suddenly needs "corrective" therapy?

The lurking issue seems to be unbundling of monogamy and financial / emotional support of women. Putting a price on youth, beauty and delaying the use of fertility to create new economic units. A secondary issue is womens' "shelf life" to snag a man. Women are extremely aware of fading looks and the window of opportunity. The population replacement rate is very carefully monitored by governments via census, vital statistics and the same with demographics of commerce and industry. The issue seems to be that men will not "settle down" and devote their time / money / energy to reproduction of economic units if they can conveniently buy sex as a service. The Nordic model, shorn of its emotive and other assumptions of men being dysfunctional beings, seems to boil down to a power play to hand back forced bundling and lack of price comparison to women and create a Faustian bargain with the reproduction of economic units.

The irony is the promoters of Nordic model fail to see the parallels with witch trials they also presumably condemn.

Instead of this unpersuasive position, it gets dressed up an pseudo medico speak to justify the restriction of freedom of half the populations sexual desires with consenting, adult women. The Johns classes have as much validity at political re-education camps (or gulags), what they did to Turing, heretics, blasphemy, and the other nonsense throughout history. That vast majority of folks here are perfectly healthy and have fully functional social bonds. Romantic sex is not a per-condition to a healthy person any more than marriage. Nor is romantic sex a necessary (or even sufficient) component of being functioning human. The divorce statistics explode the myth. This romance-for-sex narrative is as dysfunctional as the supposed cash-for-sex narrative and febrile claims of the Nordic model and "Johns Classes" proponents.

So, lets see our hobby as a choice based in biology, the normal range of social choices, and not some dark and sick secret of dysfunctional, loner men. I'm sick of this BS. I've met and slept with hundreds of workers and by and large they are quite content relative to the economic alternatives, if not a happily mystified about the power a pretty female holds over men. Many like that power and like the freedom, cash and so on. The feminists will be dismayed to know many working girls enjoy sex with some of their customers and do freebies.

May COVID end so we can again admire the bodies / brains and ravish some beautiful young women soon!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2461362]It is possible if you are not to stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.[/QUOTE]Some of us have tried and even bought books on how to do it!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2461362]It is possible if you are not too stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.[/QUOTE]But I actually like paying pretty ones for sex on a "cash and carry" basis. And then when it's all done, they leave! No strings attached. This is what I prefer.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2461845]And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.[/QUOTE]The word you wrote: "higher" somehow reminded me of Jefferey epstein and those who are not just rich, but mega rich and monger. They seems to try to go beyond to get what others do not seek for like the case of Jefferey epstein going for under age girls and tried and managed to build his own network of young girls, but I must say, these girls were not stunners at all.

I like young girls too, but I like young girls above age of 18, and I quite do not get what is their mind set beside they think they can get away with it all mentality to seek for illegal age girls for their sexual pleasure. I guess it also got to do with fucking forbidden. , well they were ugly forbidden that costed him even his life.

Also Harvey weinstein doing all sort of sexual harassment all over the place, he could have lived amazing mongering life if he go more legit way, but again go for off piste illegal path to satisfy their sexual appetite. That also costed him his life in prison most likely for rest of his life considering his age.

I think being higher mega rich is not necessary good place to live good sex life due to their fame and others knowing they have mega amount of money and reputation they have to keep being rather public figure. To live good sex life, little rich or well off person who has freedom setup to travel when he want more or less is the best because when you are too higher up in money, they clearly tend to go nut due to their power happiness that crowd their judgement.

I gave two examples and it is funny how these guys names both end with: "stein" LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2461806]According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: [URL]https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]They have to know where to go because quality of prostitutes really differ depending on where you go as you know. In FKK, it cost you 50 euro, well in reality now 100 euro for 30 min with real stunner who are actually beautiful, but these girls cost much more even you manage to find them in US cities like NYC, LA, Miami etc. , so mongering really is information war and how far you as a man are willing to go to get the best. It is bit like arbitrage.

It is quite simple actually, all men who want good sex with young beautiful girls from diverse back ground, nationalities, ethnicity, religions or whatever, they just have to go to Germany, Switzerland or Austria or Brazil or Spain for best set up. If you have good contacts like good trusted friend, you can venture out to eastern European nations or south american nations and if you like asians, then go to Thailand or Philippines. So places one must go is quite set already, and by reading and listening to what some of mongers have to say USA market, good beautiful prostitutes are out there, but hard to grasp where they exactly are and even you find it comes with higher prices comparison to Germany for example.

So in the end, I conclude that we monger have to travel one of the mongering destination that fit your preference. I am glad we figured that one out and enjoying life to the fullest.

Mongering is like life really, we must know where to go and need bit of cash. Knowing where to go is equally important thing as having money for monger.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2461896]Some of us have tried and even bought books on how to do it![/QUOTE]This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2461939]This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.[/QUOTE]That is how I like it by the way, it is good thing to have what we want, when we want, how we want, the problem in life is that such situation is only given to selected few who choose to seek for it and we did.

For me, result is most important and I like to live the life to the fullest and sex department of my life is extremely important among other things. We have only given time that is limited, so it is wise to use it wisely.

My personal opinion that is opposite of how I got educated, but I disagree with what society norm try to enforce upon us in some area and sex area is one of the area I disagree with the most. Why stick to one aging pussies if I legally figured out how to supply plenty of different young beautiful stunners pussies? I choose to indulge myself in pool of beautiful young stunners instead of one aging woman because I can and many men can't due to their own constraint to their thought, brainwash, belief, faith, money, lack of knowledge and so on. And they don't even realize that such freedom world actually exist, but they choose to believe in what others told them or stick to their little square box called TV, PC, magazines and books. I gathered my information from travelling around world and meeting people from around world, and I realized and found out, there is better path, and decided to go off piste where the real fun in life is.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461791]When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.[/QUOTE]I like your story. Are you so sure for 90% guys who never paid for sex, sure in poor countries, but when you listen to German girls, for sure not right figure for Germany. I m happy I never paid before 40 yo and at that time, I never thought nor needed. After at Swiss Dietikon on previous Thursday being blocked for 4 hours, again for my first girl at Freubad on previous Friday when I needed 2 hours to find how to go to her, fortunately she changed her look for more elegant now and made way to start to chat and of course she smiled listening me telling about her evolution, but again on this Friday when I saw wow aura, but even after recovering from angel face, even she was rare elegance in brothels, but couldn't go to her, after about 4 hours she told me: You look at me a lot, are you so shy? When I read or hear about me, so funny, sometimes bigger effort to be able to go than climbing 22% Zoncolan, she helped me for introduction, then everything was fine and she even became a bit too wild for me in bed. And she killed a bit magic she made, yesterday, and less elegant clothes, but no regret because I prefer more sensual eroticism, but really violent effort to go to girls after 3 months, only easy was Rebeka because I knew her and was so happy to find again my last wow Globe girl, when wow is rare at Globe now.

Mongering is rental. You choose duration and cancellation fee is limited and also you can change as you wish and there is no depreciation of women because you just experience the best youthful beauty part of women of your choice. Their behavior is polite and do all you want her to do and say what you want her to say to your during the duration you choose to rent her.

Marriage is ownership for life with big cancellation fees if you cancel and you go through miserable process. And you get to experience whole package of depreciation of women and no changing policy unless you marry many times. The behavior depend on the day and cannot be controlled and in general, it is women who tell men what to do, if you tell her what to do or curse her, most likely you will be sued and can be jailed if circumstance evidences are set up by her lawyer who may marry her and move to your house while you are jailed LOL!

So do the math, pick one of the above and live the life you want to live.

Dr Ho, PHD in mongering with 23 years of practice.

Does anyone know the next date when all the local governments in Germany are due to review the current ban on the sex industry?

Dates have previously come & gone with extensions added each time.

With Austria, Switzerland, Holland & Belgium already either opened or due to open shortly the scene in Germany remains dormant without (to my knowledge) any positive news.

A simple comment / request I have in evaluating your analysis. Are you disclosing all subsidies you receive?

You act as if all criminalized / Nordic Model countries have massive Vice squads attacking all commercial sex transactions, but that is simply not true.

It is not difficult to purchase sex in the United States, or even Sweden. It is extraordinarily easy in most of Canada. And France's scene did not go away after its Nordic Model.

The USA, Sweden, and France have simply declared war on clearly visible commercial sex transactions (the USA Calls it organized crime), and on inexpensive commercial sex transactions.

It is extraordinarily easy to purchase sex in the United States if a person contacts an independent escort who has her own website and screens clients to ensure that they are not part of law enforcement. The police leave those women almost entirely alone. There are websites such as P411 that serve as a combination of screening / advertising sites that are not attacked by law enforcement, presumably because of the screening. As you can tell from the Seeking Arrangement thread, a large portion of the USA Scene has shifted in that direction. It is designed to provide an initial contact mechanism, with all further discussions of money, and discussions of sex, occurring on a one-on-one basis.

The USA Attacked Backpage, where a customer (even one under 18) could go from comparing the prices of back-to-school backpacks to the prices of women offering CBJs to those offering BBBJs. A lot of people didn't like that, especially the Attorney Generals of the various USA States.

Canada arguably doesn't belong in this analysis, but it passed its Nordic Model because a couple of outspoken ladies refused to honor the long-held truce with the government where incall was not allowed in residential, suburban areas when neighbors complained. Canada has done everything humanly possible to backtrack from its Nordic Model law with the exception of an attack directed at an agency in London Ontario and a facility in a nice suburb outside of Montreal. The message is clear. Our police departments specifically did a "harm reduction" public announcement pertaining to Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. We don't give a shit what you do in big cities as long as it doesn't involve minors, but keep it out of the fucking suburbs and villages that don't want this.

Sweden was also upfront. It publicly said from the beginning that it didn't want immigrant women from poorer parts of Europe entering the country to sell inexpensive sex. Legislators truly said that. But a person can get an independent escort in Sweden if he goes online, so the scene does exist.

It is this same attack on relatively poor people that occurs in the USA Law enforcement in the USA Will argue the merits of that by pointing out that women selling sex at a very low price are relatively more likely to use illegal drugs, especially in parts of rural America where the drug epidemic is very real. It does not cost a tremendous amount of money for women to get a website, join a seeking Arrangement, and / or become friends with higher-level providers on Twitter who can help them wit marketing. So my patience is tested with the the never-ending pity party involving poor women. For immigration, most of the USA Guys here with enough money to purchase sex would not be appreciative of an immigrant coming to do their jobs at 25 percent of their current pay, so how the hell can we advocate for a system where the USA Allows thousands of (admittedly hot) Venezuelan women to enter the USA To sell tail? Do you think current USA Commercial sex workers want that? Do you think independent Swedish escorts really want to be flooded by Romanian immigrant competitors? The Economist Magazine did an excellent article many years ago about the frustration that United Kingdom sex workers had with immigrant sex workers. There was a caption that said "Olga, Upstairs" as part of the story.

Commercial sex is a lot more expensive in the United States and in Sweden than it is in Germany. A hell of a lot more expensive. But it is available without significant concern about law enforcement if it is done correctly.

Here is my question after my long-winded diatribe. How the hell are so many USA Guys here on ISG who diss the USA Scene getting to these low-cost countries where they love the availability of openly-available and very inexpensive commercial sex? Because it still ain't free, even in Germany. It is just less expensive. Is an employer paying for the travel costs? If so, that is a hell of a subsidy that should be factored into an analysis such as the ones you do. The USA Has an easily available "cottage industry" that is much less available in countries outside the USA Involving the collection of frequent flier miles and hotel loyalty points for transactions not involving paid flights. It is USA Folks filling up those free seats and free rooms, not Germans or Romanians. Keep that in mind when criticizing the USA, which has good and bad things. And don't forget that the same job in the USA Pays a hell of a lot more for every kind of work, not just sex work. If guys are paying their own travel costs because they enjoy foreign travel in addition to purchasing sex, I think that is great, because I also enjoy traveling, so I am not being critical of that, I am just saying that it distorts the supposed apples to apples comparison of commercial sex transactions you write about.

The horrific things you describe in your post happen in the USA, and in criminalized and in half-criminalized countries, if a person doesn't pay enough for sex and doesn't make the purchase in the manner ignored by law enforcement. You could argue that there are a few guys too poor to do so in the government-approved manner, but I am doubtful that is true for USA Guys financially able to travel internationally. Most of the problems occur because guys are unwilling to educate themselves as to how the system really works.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2461880]Philosophy abounds with people who warn against following the flock of sheep and beware of brainwashing. Our entire society is built on myths / laws / mores that enables groups beyond about 150 to function. But is still a big church of differing religions, politics, wealth and income distribution. As to the Johns classes, it is not that long ago that Alan Turing was judicially tortured for being gay, and there are many recent examples of the tools of psychiatrists to "correct" proscribed behavior. Laying down little judgments, funny looks its how it starts and progresses to prisons, used for such things as not believing in religion or the wrong religion / creed / sexuality etc etc. It's doubtful there is much "normal" in sexual behavior because the data refuses to cooperate with bell curve nonsense. It becomes even more erratic because of the liar factor and second order effects.

Mongering was extremely common in the past and normalized. It still is in many places and will be around for the foreseeable future. Anyone who has been to Gambia or South Africa know that white women pay for young men, and same in ancient Rome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2461939]This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.[/QUOTE]When I visited Thailand in 2015 I went on DIA and met Thai girls who I went out with and banged in my hotel room and the only cost was what I paid on the date with them. At the start of this covid debacle in mid March I thought to myself how nice it would be to settle with a non-pro and ride out the pandemic. I started to date this girl I knew and the amount of crap she put me through I said fuck that and ditched her and started doing escorts. Guys who bang non-pros in the US are guys who are willing to wade through buckets of bullshit and I am not one of them.

When I visited Thailand in 2015 I went on DIA and met Thai girls who I went out with and banged in my hotel room and the only cost was what I paid on the date with them. At the start of this covid debacle in mid March I thought to myself how nice it would be to settle with a non-pro and ride out the pandemic. I started to date this girl I knew and the amount of crap she put me through I said fuck that and ditched her and started doing escorts. Guys who bang non-pros in the US are guys who are willing to wade through buckets of bullshit and I am not one of them.

Reply from EL: my best sex was never with a pro, far better to date a normal girl, trying to seduce her, invest your time and energy, and taking the risk to fail, it is far more exciting for me than to put 50 or 100+ on the table in a FKK, you are already sure that the girl will not say no.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461791]When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.[/QUOTE]That was the same way I started. However, it was not my brother (Never have brother), It was my old buddy. -Long long time ago. LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2462063]Reply from EL: my best sex was never with a pro, far better to date a normal girl, trying to seduce her, invest your time and energy, and taking the risk to fail, it is far more exciting for me than to put 50 or 100+ on the table in a FKK, you are already sure that the girl will not say no.[/QUOTE]Sex pleasure is not the same for everyone. FKK and pro give us the opportunity to avoid all this hassle before putting our dick in a pussy. For you it is excitement for others it is waste of time and energy.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2462018]A simple comment / request I have in evaluating your analysis. Are you disclosing all subsidies you receive?

You act as if all criminalized / Nordic Model countries have massive Vice squads attacking all commercial sex transactions, but that is simply not true.

It is not difficult to purchase sex in the United States, or even Sweden. It is extraordinarily easy in most of Canada. And France's scene did not go away after its Nordic Model.

The USA, Sweden, and France have simply declared war on clearly visible commercial sex transactions (the USA Calls it organized crime), and on inexpensive commercial sex transactions.

It is extraordinarily easy to purchase sex in the United States if a person contacts an independent escort who has her own website and screens clients to ensure that they are not part of law enforcement. The police leave those women almost entirely alone. There are websites such as P411 that serve as a combination of screening / advertising sites that are not attacked by law enforcement, presumably because of the screening. As you can tell from the Seeking Arrangement thread, a large portion of the USA Scene has shifted in that direction. It is designed to provide an initial contact mechanism, with all further discussions of money, and discussions of sex, occurring on a one-on-one basis.

The USA Attacked Backpage, where a customer (even one under 18) could go from comparing the prices of back-to-school backpacks to the prices of women offering CBJs to those offering BBBJs. A lot of people didn't like that, especially the Attorney Generals of the various USA States...[/QUOTE]+1+1.

Such a well argued and informative comment. Thank you!

I agree with Monger88 that you can find gems in the USA regarding working girls, but it's more difficult and expensive than in most developed countries like Canada, Germany, Spain, and Japan IMO. Not to mention the risk of being caught in a LE string is still there, even if almost non-existent with higher end escorts. And though I understand why they do it, I'm not a big fan of verification process of high-end escorts. I think one of problems with the US sex scene is lack of a middle range of escorts that price between $150 and $300 like in ladies. De and Kaufmich. It's either low end girls from escortbabylon that are barely above a streetwalker and the high end, luxury escorts that charge at least $400-500 or more per HR. Not much in between, at least where I live. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2462190]Sex pleasure is not the same for everyone. FKK and pro give us the opportunity to avoid all this hassle before putting our dick in a pussy. For you it is excitement for others it is waste of time and energy.[/QUOTE]Well said and accurately described in short sentence, also waste of money as courting cost much more.

I like arbitrage and in mongering industry, we get same quality in quantity for much less price, energy and effort etc and most importantly in mongering industry, girls do not depreciate as we change girls based on our demand and supply is plenty.

If one like companionship, go for normal girls, and as for good sex, if you are not getting same level sex or even better in FKK, then the service you are getting is not proper one because you do get outstanding I do not believe she just did that sex in FKK, it is just that for intercourse condom is required, which is only downside. In Escort, you can fuck without condom though, and I do, so there is a solution to this also.

It is about personal preference and whether if you are very rational thinking person or not.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2462492]I agree with Monger88 that you can find gems in the USA regarding working girls, but it's more difficult and expensive than in most developed countries like Canada, Germany, Spain, and Japan IMO. Not to mention the risk of being caught in a LE string is still there, even if almost non-existent with higher end escorts. And though I understand why they do it, I'm not a big fan of verification process of high-end escorts. I think one of problems with the US sex scene is lack of a middle range of escorts that price between $150 and $300 like in ladies. De and Kaufmich. It's either low end girls from escortbabylon that are barely above a streetwalker and the high end, luxury escorts that charge at least $400-500 or more per HR. Not much in between, at least where I live. My 2 cents.[/QUOTE]That's an accurate description of my USA too. There was a time when the middle market was stronger, but not now. As you note, there is still the risk of LE stings, which have always been a damper on the mid-range game. As you say, for the best of the "middle kingdom", one needs to look at foreign destinations, including Brazil which is a very fertile playground.

[I]Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut[/I]

[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut[/URL]

They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2463463][I]Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut[/I]

[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut[/URL]

They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.[/QUOTE]Shut them down for good?

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2463463][I]Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut[/I]

[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut[/URL]

They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.[/QUOTE]I saw the link and by looking at the photo of the article, it is OK, they ain't our prostitutes LOL.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2463463][I]Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut[/I]

[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut[/URL]

They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.[/QUOTE]The opening line "Several dozen prostitutes armed with an inflatable sex doll. " makes makes me a little sad. I wholeheartedly support the women, but how can a few dozen make a difference? Poor souls. Hope they survive til things back to normal.

My other thought is how quickly the media jumps on tiny stories or anything about prostitutes. It has also flashed in BBC coronavirus blog.

I am in touch with a couple of RO girls since March. Finca had given them some hope in May and June, but now the magic word is "September". The girls are going back home for now. Not many presents for the mothers and younger sisters this time around.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2463463][I]Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut[/I]

[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut[/URL]

They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.[/QUOTE]Brothels and FKK in Germany will open again and things will be back to normal in less than a month since they open.

They will say they will have rules in the beginning but after a month there will be no rules and all back to normal as it was before corona.

I see this happening in August or end of September the latest.

Porn industry can't have rules or limitation or restrictions.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2463561]The opening line "Several dozen prostitutes armed with an inflatable sex doll. " makes makes me a little sad. I wholeheartedly support the women, but how can a few dozen make a difference?[/QUOTE]Think of the one student at Tiananmen Square who stood in front of a column of tanks and stopped their advance. What more might he not have achieved had he been armed with an inflatable sex doll.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2463622]Brothels and FKK in Germany will open again and things will be back to normal in less than a month since they open.

They will say they will have rules in the beginning but after a month there will be no rules and all back to normal as it was before corona.

I see this happening in August or end of September the latest.

Porn industry can't have rules or limitation or restrictions.[/QUOTE]All around Germany is opened, Switzerland on 6 June and ready for anything for money, Austria and NL on 1 July, prostitution even working in France, but Germany resist to pressure when German forums are under panic since months. One lander planned to open on 12 June, but they cancelled, when virus is still working in Western Europe under heat in Summer, so let s see on Autumn when will be 10 degrees when killer virus is stronger. Germany have many high risk brothels with many old or fat attending.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2463801]Think of the one student at Tiananmen Square who stood in front of a column of tanks and stopped their advance. What more might he not have achieved had he been armed with an inflatable sex doll.[/QUOTE]Obviously, the tank crew might have enjoyed a little break from duties by coming out and banging the doll.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2463823]All around Germany is opened, Switzerland on 6 June and ready for anything for money, Austria and NL on 1 July, prostitution even working in France, but Germany resist to pressure when German forums are under panic since months. One lander planned to open on 12 June, but they cancelled, when virus is still working in Western Europe under heat in Summer, so let s see on Autumn when will be 10 degrees when killer virus is stronger. Germany have many high risk brothels with many old or fat attending.[/QUOTE]It wouldn't be a bad idea to let major clubs with outside garden to open in first place.

Sharks, Oase, World etc.

There could be a limit number of visitors and girls and most of them would sit outside in the garden.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2463942]It wouldn't be a bad idea to let major clubs with outside garden to open in first place.

Sharks, Oase, World etc.

There could be a limit number of visitors and girls and most of them would sit outside in the garden.[/QUOTE]They cancelled Finca which have garden, opening, because all full balls Germans would have moved to Dierdorf which would have become Germany capital.

I don't understand why guys who are in hurry, don't go to average casting 6 ens NL close to Aachen for those who don't need beauty, or Switzerland where some clubs are less than 90 € for sex with entry for less than 25 with foods, or Austria. Not only Germany for brothels, and also opened now in Spain, when Germany need to confine some zones in NRW.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2464041]I don't understand why guys who are in hurry, don't go to average casting 6 ens NL close to Aachen for those who don't need beauty, or Switzerland where some clubs are less than 90 for sex with entry for less than 25 with foods, or Austria. Not only Germany for brothels, and also opened now in Spain, when Germany need to confine some zones in NRW.[/QUOTE]I think it also because of being used to a certain club. I personally feel 'at home' only at Sharks, maybe because it was my first FKK club and I have been there so many times. Level of LU is important of course, but the ambience also play a major role in the whole FKK experience.

Rock.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2464193]I think it also because of being used to a certain club. I personally feel 'at home' only at Sharks, maybe because it was my first FKK club and I have been there so many times. Level of LU is important of course, but the ambience also play a major role in the whole FKK experience.

Rock.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right, many are stuck to a club, when just brothels for a free mind like me, only beauties interest me, not brothels, when I saw LR or World or even Globe falling for quality. Even Sharks with more girls is not anymore on beginning of 2016 level. I enjoy to visit a new club when I m unknown, because when I find a beauty, I almost always experience the same in any club, with any beauty, in any FKK land countries, even in Spain with Slavians. Funny at Amesia, so pretty face Jaky. Ro offering me time for free in room when she could ask for 80 CHF more, but just smiling after our discovery, but losing her smile when she saw me later with Michele, usual girls reaction I experience, and not same beautiful smile on next day, so I preferred not to repeat and she didn't get business in empty Amesia. Lost lost for both. When Germany is closed, I adapt, I go where is opened. After Switzerland with disappointing now, porn Globe, I may go to visit wonderful Vienna, to recover while my climbing to start.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2464369]Yes, you are right, many are stuck to a club, when just brothels for a free mind like me, only beauties interest me, not brothels, when I saw LR or World or even Globe falling for quality. Even Sharks with more girls is not anymore on beginning of 2016 level. I enjoy to visit a new club when I m unknown, because when I find a beauty, I almost always experience the same in any club, with any beauty, in any FKK land countries, even in Spain with Slavians. Funny at Amesia, so pretty face Jaky. Ro offering me time for free in room when she could ask for 80 CHF more, but just smiling after our discovery, but losing her smile when she saw me later with Michele, usual girls reaction I experience, and not same beautiful smile on next day, so I preferred not to repeat and she didn't get business in empty Amesia. Lost lost for both. When Germany is closed, I adapt, I go where is opened. After Switzerland with disappointing now, porn Globe, I may go to visit wonderful Vienna, to recover while my climbing to start.[/QUOTE]I think it is better to fix few clubs to stick to those few you selected. Of course, that has to be more than one club that is. Like for me, I tend to like Palace, Artemis, and Globe for my beauty taste as my 3 hunting ground.

Also Oceans worked for me with one or two stunner always, but it is shaky club with line up, if those two or most of time one stunner was not there, it would be no session day. I usually end up in oceans due to lack to stunner in line up at GT and do not want to risk LR as LR beauty level never really worked for me.

I arrived to GT and LR late because I met some stunner girl in other club like in Artemis Anya, who is half German and Russian who was former gt Bruggen, but when I was at gt, there were no stunner like this beside kati, one German girl and hmmm it get difficult after that. So I think I arrived gt late when line up is no longer good.

Well I stick to Artemis, palace and globe. I may try out Oase one more time again to see if it changed, but come to think about it, Oase line up was quite good, but I found upsell to be hard in Oase when I went, which put shadow on session.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2464764]I think it is better to fix few clubs to stick to those few you selected. Of course, that has to be more than one club that is. Like for me, I tend to like Palace, Artemis, and Globe for my beauty taste as my 3 hunting ground.

Also Oceans worked for me with one or two stunner always, but it is shaky club with line up, if those two or most of time one stunner was not there, it would be no session day. I usually end up in oceans due to lack to stunner in line up at GT and do not want to risk LR as LR beauty level never really worked for me.

I arrived to GT and LR late because I met some stunner girl in other club like in Artemis Anya, who is half German and Russian who was former gt Bruggen, but when I was at gt, there were no stunner like this beside kati, one German girl and hmmm it get difficult after that. So I think I arrived gt late when line up is no longer good.

Well I stick to Artemis, palace and globe. I may try out Oase one more time again to see if it changed, but come to think about it, Oase line up was quite good, but I found upsell to be hard in Oase when I went, which put shadow on session.[/QUOTE]I don't care about clubs, I go where I find attractive girls, on last Summer I visited Gold weekly for a Globe level girl for only 80/60 and entry for 25. Globe is now cheapest club for me, I pay entry 95 and I save my money about now level of new girls, really not expensive, I go to spend elsewhere on next day.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2464960]I don't care about clubs, I go where I find attractive girls, on last Summer I visited Gold weekly for a Globe level girl for only 80/60 and entry for 25. Globe is now cheapest club for me, I pay entry 95 and I save my money about now level of new girls, really not expensive, I go to spend elsewhere on next day.[/QUOTE]That's the point I am making. I do not care about clubs, but by choosing few clubs to base raise probability of finding more stunning girls than constantly changing clubs is what I found out because in big clubs girls moves around. In smaller clubs it is bit different usually mostly same girls.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2465129]I was in Germany yesterday for business and I'm happy to report that things are SLOWLY returning back to normal.

Instead of visiting Sharks after my meetings, I went to have a small bite to eat in a nearby town and restaurants and shops are quite full again and many people are sitting outside on terrases.

It's a true pity that clubs with a big outside area (Sharks, GT, Oase) are not allowed to open, because it seems that outside in the fresh air there is a very small chance of catching CV19. What concerns me is when the weather cools down again in September-October, the spread of CV19 will increase again because people are forced inside. Unlike the US, not many houses and businesses in Europe have air conditioning, and I wonder if HVAC systems are spreading CV19.

I remember my last visit to Sharks in January, and the air inside was really bad as always. Furthermore, the hygiene has been going downhill at Sharks for many years; dirty toilets with faces stains on the dividing walls, no soap in the dispensers, no paper towels to dry hands, dirty floors, and dirty / hot rooms. Just imagine how much dirt and how many bacteria are living inside the carpet in the main area, because this has not been replaced or cleaned in years.

Although line up was not fantastic at end of January, I really miss many beauties from Sharks and I hope it will reopen soon![/QUOTE]I am surprise that the country like Switzerland where it is also strict with things in general let the brothels to be reopened again.

Try picking up a normal girl in these open bars and restaurants. Extremely difficult.

FKK's not opening because people go there have sex. And the last thing people are OK with right now. Sex with a stranger.

Safe mongering!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2465129]I was in Germany yesterday for business and I'm happy to report that things are SLOWLY returning back to normal.

Instead of visiting Sharks after my meetings, I went to have a small bite to eat in a nearby town and restaurants and shops are quite full again and many people are sitting outside on terrases.

It's a true pity that clubs with a big outside area (Sharks, GT, Oase) are not allowed to open, because it seems that outside in the fresh air there is a very small chance of catching CV19. What concerns me is when the weather cools down again in September-October, the spread of CV19 will increase again because people are forced inside. Unlike the US, not many houses and businesses in Europe have air conditioning, and I wonder if HVAC systems are spreading CV19.

I remember my last visit to Sharks in January, and the air inside was really bad as always. Furthermore, the hygiene has been going downhill at Sharks for many years; dirty toilets with faces stains on the dividing walls, no soap in the dispensers, no paper towels to dry hands, dirty floors, and dirty / hot rooms. Just imagine how much dirt and how many bacteria are living inside the carpet in the main area, because this has not been replaced or cleaned in years.

Although line up was not fantastic at end of January, I really miss many beauties from Sharks and I hope it will reopen soon![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2465259]I am surprise that the country like Switzerland where it is also strict with things in general let the brothels to be reopened again.[/QUOTE]Worst is they don't really control, so they are not able to inform people when so many give false information and control spreading, but all is about money for Swiss administration and brothels owners know how to deal with, when a bad guy like me give true information, because if I m ready to take risks, I respect others health. But we know about level of respect for so many businessmen in brothels.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2465430]Similar to most countries certain "contact sports" like judo, boxing and wrestling are not allowed in Switzerland, but prostitution is? I don't understand the logic here, as many gyms and sports clubs are also professional business and need customers in order to survive.
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/swiss-say-sex-work-is-ok-but-not-judo-in-virus-reopening[/URL][/QUOTE]Arguably the authorities are being realistic about the consequences of opening vs continuing the prohibition. Eventually the girls would've starting working illegally, as is already happening in Germany. In any case, Switzerland is not the only country in the region that has reopened the sex business.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2465424]Worst is they don't really control, so they are not able to inform people when so many give false information and control spreading, but all is about money for Swiss administration and brothels owners know how to deal with, when a bad guy like me give true information, because if I m ready to take risks, I respect others health. But we know about level of respect for so many businessmen in brothels.[/QUOTE]Yeah Siri, but truth is there is no way to control beside some bullshits. I agree that money is the only motive behind Switzerland, but that is how that mountain nation always survived history.

So far, no big outbreak in FKK, so let us keep our fingers crossed.

I actually think for fly in monger, actual travelling like airplane, airport, train etc are more dangerous for infecting Covid 19. Lucky you Siri, you drive.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2464193]I think it also because of being used to a certain club. I personally feel 'at home' only at Sharks, maybe because it was my first FKK club and I have been there so many times. Level of LU is important of course, but the ambience also play a major role in the whole FKK experience.

Rock.[/QUOTE]I agree beside the girl, that atmosphere and environment also play a significant role in the FKK.

You will only be in the room with girls for less than one hours for each rounf before going to the next round but you will be spending majority of your time in the bars, restaurant, sauna, for chit chat.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1101-Other-Partytreffs&p=2465820&viewfull=1#post2465820[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2465626]Yeah Siri, but truth is there is no way to control beside some bullshits. I agree that money is the only motive behind Switzerland, but that is how that mountain nation always survived history.

So far, no big outbreak in FKK, so let us keep our fingers crossed.

I actually think for fly in monger, actual travelling like airplane, airport, train etc are more dangerous for infecting Covid 19. Lucky you Siri, you drive.[/QUOTE]A bad guy like me, give real name and phone number, for respect for others health. We can see not many respectful guys in brothels, as rare as pandas. After leaving Globe again with no room at 2.30 am, drove under a wall of rain to Vienna but stopped after Swiss German border because in 150 kms I was 3 times over quattro grip and out of track, so it was better to stop, but today I cleaned autobahn through Bavaria, Munchen and Austria to Vienna.

I am 3 times per week in Vienna but I will never go to GT now, the situation is not good, cases are again rising in Moldavia, Romania, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia a lot of girls or guys are coming from those countries, keep safe but don t always believe it will not touch you, just have a loo on what happened on bald and bandrupt a famous you-tuber, young, strong. Who catch the covid and what he went through, this sick is not a joke, a I still believe that visiting a FKK is a high risk.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2465831]After leaving Globe again with no room at 2.30 am, drove under a wall of rain to Vienna [/QUOTE]What were you planning in Vienna? Goldentime?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2465831]A bad guy like me, give real name and phone number, for respect for others health. We can see not many respectful guys in brothels, as rare as pandas. After leaving Globe again with no room at 2.30 am, drove under a wall of rain to Vienna but stopped after Swiss German border because in 150 kms I was 3 times over quattro grip and out of track, so it was better to stop, but today I cleaned autobahn through Bavaria, Munchen and Austria to Vienna.[/QUOTE]Driving at 2:30 AM to Vienna? LOL You got some serious energy. The line up that bad at Globe or? So they take names and telephone numbers now at Globe. They check your ID or it is self declared names and number?

Quatro, I am guessing you are driving Audi and you slept in the car in autobahn? Well if so, it is wise idea before getting too tired to drive, it can be dangerous.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2465855]....cases are again rising in Moldavia, Romania, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia...[/QUOTE]Let's assume that one year ago (before CV19), you would start testing people for the regular (flu? Or we start officially recording the number of bee stings? Would you get concerned if "case are again rising?

Merely the number of cases means very little to me.

What matters to me is the Case Fatality Rate, in other words, what is the chance of actually dying. How many people (who were perfectly healthy before getting infected with CV19!) are actually dying because of CV19? Some people with underlying health problems can die of the regular flu, just like some people can die of an allergic reaction because of a bee sting, or some people die (slowly!) because of the horrible food they eat in fast food restaurants. Does this mean we should close down the entire economy and our entire society also for those reasons?

I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2465855]I am 3 times per week in Vienna but I will never go to GT now, the situation is not good, cases are again rising in Moldavia, Romania, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia a lot of girls or guys are coming from those countries, keep safe but don t always believe it will not touch you, just have a loo on what happened on bald and bandrupt a famous you-tuber, young, strong. Who catch the covid and what he went through, this sick is not a joke, a I still believe that visiting a FKK is a high risk.[/QUOTE]I will return to Germany as soon as they start allowing Americans in. I think by that time banging in FKKs will be very safe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2466107]I will return to Germany as soon as they start allowing Americans in. I think by that time banging in FKKs will be very safe.[/QUOTE]As soon as borders open and no quarantine on the way in and on the return back. Hope they don't make travel to Europe contingent on a vaccine, but if they require it, I will get vaccinated. My balls are getting heavier after reading all recent posts about Spain, NL, Austria, and Switzerland. Under normal conditions I would have completed 2 or 3 round trips already. Doesn't look very promising for US mongers at the moment.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2466007]
I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising![/QUOTE]My social media feed is again busy with people posting a picture of the leaders of some countries that allegedly failed and others that succeeded. Obviously all the failed countries are ruled by men and the succesful ones by women.

I'd say we'll know if there's a real surge of new cases.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2466134]As soon as borders open and no quarantine on the way in and on the return back. Hope they don't make travel to Europe contingent on a vaccine, but if they require it, I will get vaccinated. My balls are getting heavier after reading all recent posts about Spain, NL, Austria, and Switzerland. Under normal conditions I would have completed 2 or 3 round trips already. Doesn't look very promising for US mongers at the moment.[/QUOTE]Salaam zusammen, just remember sex in Europe isn't limited to the German FKK scene. It is still going on in a lively way in many European cities, it has just been pushed more underground for a few months. There is more variety in Europe, it isn't all locked down by a central government like in the US.

I'm seeing and understanding many Americans are pretty depressed about being locked out of the whole European scene at this time. My heart goes out to you.

One ray of hope though. If you're from Ohio you can still visit Athens, Warsaw, Lisbon, Berlin, Toledo, Marseilles, Dublin, and Oxford.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2466202]One ray of hope though. If you're from Ohio you can still visit Athens, Warsaw, Lisbon, Berlin, Toledo, Marseilles, Dublin, and Oxford.[/QUOTE]And Dresden, and Verona!

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2465886]What were you planning in Vienna? Goldentime?[/QUOTE]Yes, Golden time for my beloved Anita at GT Bruggen and what a welcome, like in Bruggen and Sissi did same, she left guy she was with, to come to meet me, when I didn't recognize her yet with her new hair. She really didn't need to be jealous at Bruggen, when I drive nightmare German autobahns to Vienna for her. I m sure best casting at the moment when You love woman types and Anita is interesting for this, when Globe and Wellcum can t compete for such looks and profiles even Karla was a pleasure on last night at Wellcum, only Amesia can sometimes but management is killing business with now too high rates for girls. For 18 yo schoolgirls or Germans, GT Vienna is not the place, even Coralia was a so fresh natural Romanian beauty, just delightful super GFE. Also a real wow Iranian, my first one, reminded me experience in Dubaï with Arabian woman, for a really playful night in Vienna. I drive and pay for this, not to empty balls. Also fast discovery of beautiful Vienna before speeding in A2 curves to Villach, Andiamo still closed, so Wellcum, but not same casting. I could go with 8 looks at GT, only 1 at Wellcum, when no room on my last visits at Globe. My arithmetic.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2465943]Driving at 2:30 AM to Vienna? LOL You got some serious energy. The line up that bad at Globe or? So they take names and telephone numbers now at Globe. They check your ID or it is self declared names and number?

Quatro, I am guessing you are driving Audi and you slept in the car in autobahn? Well if so, it is wise idea before getting too tired to drive, it can be dangerous.[/QUOTE]I made a great plan for 7 days. Worked Wednesday and whole Wednesday to Thursday night. Left Paris on Thursday morning with old beloved with no quattro Audi to make its service, with bicycle and skis inside, around Luxemburg, planning to go to Globe after on evening, but Audi found electric problem and needed to order pieces they couldn t have for Friday, so appointment for next Friday, back to Paris. Changed for new one with bad feeling when You are sporty over grip quattro, as I explain to Audi. Had to make a choice, only took bicycle, then jumping on my Nurburgring RN19 to Zurich. Ate good chili but no room as most often at Globe where girls now don t worth the rate. Told Megan I would go to Vienna at night and did even I was exhausted not finding any wow, but autobahn to St Gallen and around German border was a real swimming pool. Losing grip is not big problem but being out of track on autobahn 3 times in around 150 kms, so I preferred to stop to save the car. Drove through Bavaria to Austria on Saturday under wall of rain, for a day and night as I like to dream, at GT. Vienna at night and on Sunday, to discover. Then a run on A2 curves to Italian border. Unfortunately, Andiamo still closed and no Mila look at Wellcum. Today driving from Udine to Aosta to climb 2420 meters high Gran San Bernardino, then will drive to south of France for highest in Europe, 2802 meters high col de la Bonette tomorrow and 2750 meters high col Agnel on Italian side, the most difficult, on Wednesday, then driving back to Paris on Wednesday night and back to Luxemburg on Friday. Just had to cancel ski in Tignes, when Summer ski is a bit complicated but so frustrated when had no ski on Winter. When many here don t know what mean addiction, a more than 50 bad guy like me know what mean passion, pleasure and resistance. No need for viagra, but oxygen made in blood, doctors say efficient versus virus and girls say: You are stronger than 20 yo guys. Best to come now with my climbing, beauties can t compete.

Our friends are getting restless. How is the German government going to react?

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/hamburg-sex-workers-demand-germanys-100127960.html[/URL]

Also a real wow Iranian, my first one, reminded me experience in Duba with Arabian woman, for a really playful night in Vienna.

Was the Iranian in GT Vienna? These women from middle East drive me crazy. My fucking reason to want to move to Dubai but fuckep up covid.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2466202]

One ray of hope though. If you're from Ohio you can still visit Athens, Warsaw, Lisbon, Berlin, Toledo, Marseilles, Dublin, and Oxford.

[/QUOTE]LOL! Good joke! He doesn't have to be from Ohio though LOL. Maine also has some foreign cities and countries, even including China LOL.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2466431]LOL! Good joke! He doesn't have to be from Ohio though LOL. Maine also has some foreign cities and countries, even including China LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it was absolutely hysterical. I laughed non-stop for 45 mins and almost had to call for oxygen.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2466393]Our friends are getting restless. How is the German government going to react?

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/hamburg-sex-workers-demand-germanys-100127960.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Sad. The Reeperbahn is where the Beatles started out. Perhaps the UN could declare it a World Heritage Site before the German government completely outlaws it. "A threatened cultural area of outstanding value to humanity."

Even they will reopen the business will not be like before, in Switzerland the business is not good for most of the girls, even some are returning to their home countries. Even some of you disagree the risk is high to visit prostitutes, just have a look about what is happening in the US, the covid is completely out of control probably due to a lack of social distancing and also of the mindset of the people, exactly what is happening in a FKK.

[QUOTE=JasonLX;2466427]Also a real wow Iranian, my first one, reminded me experience in Duba with Arabian woman, for a really playful night in Vienna.

Was the Iranian in GT Vienna? These women from middle East drive me crazy. My fucking reason to want to move to Dubai but fuckep up covid.[/QUOTE]Yes, at GT Vienna. After 2 rooms, I was thinking to rest a bit at midnight, I thought my visit was well done, but then she passed close to me with her aura, and I forgot to sleep. She knows she is a beauty and she plays with this, but like Arabian women, she has taboos and it was really Interesting game. Having a Arabian woman, when being Caucasian, in Arabian country, may be quite dangerous, even for her life safety.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2466553]Sad. The Reeperbahn is where the Beatles started out. Perhaps the UN could declare it a World Heritage Site before the German government completely outlaws it. "A threatened cultural area of outstanding value to humanity."[/QUOTE]Yeah, brothels are kind of UNESCO level heritage, it is most old occupation in the world and the place where it is provided should be held as sacred ground.

For me, it is my spiritual revitalization center, power spot where I get resurrected. Unfortunately, rest of the society seems to not think the same as me LOL.

Any news when FKK-clubs re-open in Germany?

Austria-clubs opened July 1.

I will go as soon as I can.

Covid-19 = small influence.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2466579]Even they will reopen the business will not be like before, in Switzerland the business is not good for most of the girls, even some are returning to their home countries. Even some of you disagree the risk is high to visit prostitutes, just have a look about what is happening in the US, the covid is completely out of control probably due to a lack of social distancing and also of the mindset of the people, exactly what is happening in a FKK.[/QUOTE]I think that in clubs of Swiss and Austria the clients will be very selective and this is the reason the business is not good as you say.

Same clients but maybe 1-2 selective rooms with girls they know decreasing the risk. The less girls they meet less the risk.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2466743]Any news when FKK-clubs re-open in Germany?

Austria-clubs opened July 1.

I will go as soon as I can.

Covid-19 = small influence.[/QUOTE]Not yet.

It's a fair assumption that it could be August 31 as that was when social distancing was supposed to end. But with the flare-ups, it could be extended until later like the ban on fairs, beer festivals and large groups that will continue until November. What I do know is that it won't be until after August 11 as NRW has extending their emergency until at least that date.

The situation is getting worse in Europe and France will impose the mask in close areas, Hungary put on place new restriction for several countries, including Moldavia, Ukraine, Roumenia. I am not sure the FKK in Germany will open again this year.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2466586]Yes, at GT ...but like Arabian women, she has taboos and it was really Interesting game. Having a Arabian woman, when being Caucasian, in Arabian country, may be quite dangerous, even for her life safety.[/QUOTE]Thank you Siri. No first hand experience in Arab country, I had one Moroccan and one Lebanese in Belgium. Girlfriends.

Taboos. No joy in oral sex for Moroccan, but happy for anal.

Lebanese. Happy for oral and playing with my tool with her small hands, but absolutely no anal. It's never all together, but I had excellent time with both of them, in and out of bed.

It's some magic in Arab Middle East women, curious what would be with Iranian.

Covid fucked me up, and made some changes in my life and attitudes for life.

Will see what's next.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JasonLX;2466802]Thank you Siri. No first hand experience in Arab country, I had one Moroccan and one Lebanese in Belgium. Girlfriends.

Taboos. No joy in oral sex for Moroccan, but happy for anal.

Lebanese. Happy for oral and playing with my tool with her small hands, but absolutely no anal. It's never all together, but I had excellent time with both of them, in and out of bed.

It's some magic in Arab Middle East women, curious what would be with Iranian.

Covid fucked me up, and made some changes in my life and attitudes for life.

Will see what's next.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]My meaning was having relation with Arabian woman in Arabian country can be dangerous and even very dangerous for her.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2466381]I made a great plan for 7 days. Worked Wednesday and whole Wednesday to Thursday night. Left Paris on Thursday morning with old beloved with no quattro Audi to make its service, with bicycle and skis inside, around Luxemburg, planning to go to Globe after on evening, but Audi found electric problem and needed to order pieces they couldn t have for Friday, so appointment for next Friday, back to Paris. Changed for new one with bad feeling when You are sporty over grip quattro, as I explain to Audi. Had to make a choice, only took bicycle, then jumping on my Nurburgring RN19 to Zurich. Ate good chili but no room as most often at Globe where girls now don t worth the rate. Told Megan I would go to Vienna at night and did even I was exhausted not finding any wow, but autobahn to St Gallen and around German border was a real swimming pool. Losing grip is not big problem but being out of track on autobahn 3 times in around 150 kms, so I preferred to stop to save the car. Drove through Bavaria to Austria on Saturday under wall of rain, for a day and night as I like to dream, at GT. Vienna at night and on Sunday, to discover. Then a run on A2 curves to Italian border. Unfortunately, Andiamo still closed and no Mila look at Wellcum. Today driving from Udine to Aosta to climb 2420 meters high Gran San Bernardino, then will drive to south of France for highest in Europe, 2802 meters high col de la Bonette tomorrow and 2750 meters high col Agnel on Italian side, the most difficult, on Wednesday, then driving back to Paris on Wednesday night and back to Luxemburg on Friday. Just had to cancel ski in Tignes, when Summer ski is a bit complicated but so frustrated when had no ski on Winter. When many here don t know what mean addiction, a more than 50 bad guy like me know what mean passion, pleasure and resistance. No need for viagra, but oxygen made in blood, doctors say efficient versus virus and girls say: You are stronger than 20 yo guys. Best to come now with my climbing, beauties can t compete.[/QUOTE]Wow! Your energy and dedication to finding beautiful chic women is amazing! I'd like to make you a proposal. Please send me a Private Message!

GT Vienna? What was the name of the Wow Iranian girl? Middle Eastern girls are beautiful!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2466853]My meaning was having relation with Arabian woman in Arabian country can be dangerous and even very dangerous for her.[/QUOTE]But in FKK we can put our penis into her mouth, pussy and anal LOL. Whatta wonderful world we live in.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2466853]My meaning was having relation with Arabian woman in Arabian country can be dangerous and even very dangerous for her.[/QUOTE]I got your point the first time. I guess this was additional thrill.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2466579]Even they will reopen the business will not be like before, in Switzerland the business is not good for most of the girls, even some are returning to their home countries. Even some of you disagree the risk is high to visit prostitutes, just have a look about what is happening in the US, the covid is completely out of control probably due to a lack of social distancing and also of the mindset of the people, exactly what is happening in a FKK.[/QUOTE]Why risk your lung or even your life for few hours of pleasures. We experienced mongers had our years of beautiful girls pussies one after another, so let lay low this year and may we return strong next year if the virus calm down.

Close your eyes, imagine the days in FKK and make good use of your right or left hand LOL!

I agree. The german FKK land kind of missed the boat. It would have made most sense to open July 1st. Maybe Aug 1. So that we could at least enjoy summer time. There is almost inevitably an autumn wave coming. Then things will be closing down again (I am guessing).

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2466799]The situation is getting worse in Europe and France will impose the mask in close areas, Hungary put on place new restriction for several countries, including Moldavia, Ukraine, Roumenia. I am not sure the FKK in Germany will open again this year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2466983]I agree. The german FKK land kind of missed the boat. It would have made most sense to open July 1st. Maybe Aug 1. So that we could at least enjoy summer time. There is almost inevitably an autumn wave coming. Then things will be closing down again (I am guessing).[/QUOTE]I would say, it is better to remain closed instead of open it, then some infection incident happen in FKK, and it gives feminists and related political groups to call for complete shut down of FKK permanently or try to impose some ridiculous rule.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2466799]The situation is getting worse in Europe and France will impose the mask in close areas, Hungary put on place new restriction for several countries, including Moldavia, Ukraine, Roumenia. I am not sure the FKK in Germany will open again this year.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree! The Germans missed their chance to reopen during the summer, and now it's too late.

In the meantime, neighbouring countries also see a spike in CV19 cases, like Luxemburg which borders to Germany and has quite a few cross border workers: [URL]https://delano.lu/d/detail/news/germany-latest-add-luxembourg-risk-list/211051[/URL].

The "Second Wave" (real or imagined) is coming, like it or not. The mass media is 'managing the expectations' and every day they write about "5 more cases" here, or "3 more cases" there.

Let's be honest, I think the FKK clubs in Germany is more or less finished, whether because of fear of CV19, whether because of CV19 tracking apps, or whether because of cashless / digital currency. The last two will enable our Big Brother politicians to monitor every visit to FKK clubs. Of course a few naive souls will say "I don't care," but the big majority (needed to make an FKK club financially viable) will stay away.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2467036]The "Second Wave" (real or imagined) is coming, like it or not. The mass media is 'managing the expectations' and every day they write about "5 more cases" here, or "3 more cases" there.

Let's be honest, I think the FKK clubs in Germany is more or less finished, whether because of fear of CV19, whether because of CV19 tracking apps, or whether because of cashless / digital currency. The last two will enable our Big Brother politicians to monitor every visit to FKK clubs. Of course a few naive souls will say "I don't care," but the big majority (needed to make an FKK club financially viable) will stay away.[/QUOTE]The second wave is coming for sure, but it will not be the end of FKK's.

This entire covid-19 thing will ease down as soon as capitalism reforms globally into a new system. With a new set of currencies, and most likely some form of basic income.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2466888]GT Vienna? What was the name of the Wow Iranian girl? Middle Eastern girls are beautiful![/QUOTE]She works in Vienna since 5 years, no aura like hers at Globe since Kate, when Linda has no aura, just fresh German. Real charm for Iranian before room, I hope she learned about sexuality with me, when she knows she is pretty and play with, but many taboos for her, but from midnight we met when I was thinking to sleep, to 3 am when we finished, magic experience. I drive and pay for this level, when I would not even go for free with I m pretty sure 90% of FKK land WGs and prostitutes images became so boring for me. I look for girls who have look and behave like women.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2467146]The second wave is coming for sure, but it will not be the end of FKK's.

This entire covid-19 thing will ease down as soon as capitalism reforms globally into a new system. With a new set of currencies, and most likely some form of basic income.[/QUOTE]I don't know when, but I'm pretty sure at least some German brothels will reopen one day. Who can blame Germany to try to protect their citizens, when brothels are just high risk to spread virus and kill people.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2467158]I don't know when, but I'm pretty sure at least some German brothels will reopen one day. Who can blame Germany to try to protect their citizens, when brothels are just high risk to spread virus and kill people.[/QUOTE]Of course it will reopen. Because the whole lockdown is essentially a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall. So as the economy transforms, certain things will reopen.

And then there are things like oil shortage in the coming years like peak oil. Something which would have hit us extremely hard unless the whole world had now stopped traveling so much. And covid 19 does help in reducing that also. So don't expect air travel cost to drop down any time soon.

Covid 19 is similar to the Spanish flu of 1918, the Asian flu of 1957 and the Hong Kong flu of 1968. Those viruses killed millions of people and each lasted for around 2 years. There is no reason to believe that covid 19 will be different. Until 2022 things will be iffy with our hobby. We can all participate, as I am right now, but with a little bit of trepidation. By 2022 things will be back to normal with crowds of working girls and Johns in FKKs. That is until the next pandemic strikes maybe in 2040.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2467215]Covid 19 is similar to the Spanish flu of 1918, the Asian flu of 1957 and the Hong Kong flu of 1968. Those viruses killed millions of people and each lasted for around 2 years. There is no reason to believe that covid 19 will be different. Until 2022 things will be iffy with our hobby. We can all participate, as I am right now, but with a little bit of trepidation. By 2022 things will be back to normal with crowds of working girls and Johns in FKKs. That is until the next pandemic strikes maybe in 2040.[/QUOTE]Only Germany stay closed and to my opinion they are right to be careful, but in Germany You can find escorts, You have a brothel on Aachen border, few close to Swiss border, I adapt and go to visit Vienna or Switzerland, even Spain opened brothels, so FKK land is not closed, and even still enjoyable. Had good girls since mid June and even 2 wow aura when not more than 6/7 wow aura seen since end of 2012 I discovered FKK. Maybe not all, but I m sure clubs like World, Finca will reopen, because they are useful for owners. Girls will move for business.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2467192]Of course it will reopen. Because the whole lockdown is essentially a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall. So as the economy transforms, certain things will reopen.

And then there are things like oil shortage in the coming years like peak oil. Something which would have hit us extremely hard unless the whole world had now stopped traveling so much. And covid 19 does help in reducing that also. So don't expect air travel cost to drop down any time soon.[/QUOTE]I agree that the economic house of cards we've constructed with huge debts and fiat money is a large factor in amplifying the CV19 "crisis" (so it can be used as an excuse to print enormous amounts of money which is in turn given to banks for 0% interest), but an unpleasant side effect is that there are also many Cultural Marxist elements interwoven in our society today that also want to use CV19 to further their totalitarian agenda. Think things like; digital currency, censorship, restricting freedom of movement, and rescuing "oppressed victims" who work in P6 by outlawing prostitution.

Drastic economic / political changes almost always result into societal changes, think about the Russian Revolution in 1917, the Great Depression (leading to WW2), and the oil shock + stagflation in the 1970's. Both the economic / political and the social part of the world we live in are very closely connected.

To think that life will just continue as normal post-CV19 is incredibly dangerous, complacent and wishful thinking IMO.

There are real freedoms at stake here (digital money, tracking apps, forced vaccination with a 'quick fix' vaccine), and this will not quickly return to normal all by itself once the banks have their 'bail-out' money.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2467215] There is no reason to believe that covid 19 will be different. Until 2022 things will be iffy with our hobby. [/QUOTE]Noooooo 😢😭

Today Austria closed again their boarders to 18 countries as COVID cases increase in the recent days, I think that the next step could be closing the FKK again, this activity is just to dangerous and I am sure clusters will pop up, it is not possible otherwise, very close human contacts, mixing of body fluids, closed rooms and premises, a lot of visitors.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2467374] and rescuing "oppressed victims" who work in P6 by outlawing prostitution.[/QUOTE]Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution.

Let us not groups everyone you may disagree with in the same basket now.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2467438]Today Austria closed again their boarders to 18 countries as COVID cases increase in the recent days, I think that the next step could be closing the FKK again, this activity is just to dangerous and I am sure clusters will pop up, it is not possible otherwise, very close human contacts, mixing of body fluids, closed rooms and premises, a lot of visitors.[/QUOTE]What is the source of this recent closing again? Which countries does it concern (I see only news about the re-opening few weeks ago, not about closing again).

[QUOTE=Maxime;2467584]What is the source of this recent closing again? Which countries does it concern (I see only news about the re-opening few weeks ago, not about closing again).[/QUOTE]Romania and Bulgaria may be put under quarantine by Austria and Switzerland. Only temperature controlled at Wellcum and nothing at GT.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2467469]Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution.

Let us not groups everyone you may disagree with in the same basket now.[/QUOTE]And we are the neo-monger believes in neo-mongerism and oddly most of society disagree with us and I don't know why LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2467438]Today Austria closed again their boarders to 18 countries as COVID cases increase in the recent days, I think that the next step could be closing the FKK again, this activity is just to dangerous and I am sure clusters will pop up, it is not possible otherwise, very close human contacts, mixing of body fluids, closed rooms and premises, a lot of visitors.[/QUOTE]As far as I can see on instagram, most of Europeans are not following social distancing recommendation, all the famous beaches and tourists attractions are packed with tourists like every other summer.

Official government Website:15 July: Direct flights from the following countries are not allowed to land in Austria: Egypt, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Iran, Kosovo, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Serbia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Belarus.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2467596]As far as I can see on instagram, most of Europeans are not following social distancing recommendation, all the famous beaches and tourists attractions are packed with tourists like every other summer.[/QUOTE]It is not like every summer but yes social distancing and mask wearing is not followed everywhere. No tourists in Roma, a second wave is coming or is already here.

I don't see any FKK opening in 2020.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2467604]Official government Website:15 July: Direct flights from the following countries are not allowed to land in Austria: Egypt, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Iran, Kosovo, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Serbia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Belarus.[/QUOTE]No problem for Romanian girls, they will make fake working papers and find a way to travel like they did in Germany and Holland.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2467682]No problem for Romanian girls, they will make fake working papers and find a way to travel like they did in Germany and Holland.[/QUOTE]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum €120 p / hour and maybe up to €170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.

It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.

I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants €millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.[/QUOTE]Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.[/QUOTE]Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree. The Devil is in the details, ja?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.

It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.

I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree a little bit, respectfully.

First, not all mongers are itching to go back to the clubs. Many Americans are genuinely concerned about their own health and safety probably, me being one. I would not be visiting any clubs even if the clubs were open this minute. I am staying away from even my sugar babes due to health concerns, and those are girls I can fuck any time w / o having to travel right near my home.

Also, some ex FKK girls may be in Spain, but not all, not even the most. Good for them that some of them are having a good time and a nice boost to their income. We will see what they do if / when we return to normalcy, whatever normalcy means. I think the supply / demand characteristic is very weird at the moment. Not all the erstwhile mongers are in the market, neither are all the ex German prostitutes. So, we have a very skewed balance. One example is in the US where clearly many millions lost jobs but many businesses are also not able to hire who and as many as they want to because a lot of people are getting free checks from the government, many employees are scared to work due to fear of covid etc.

We would only know what is the true supply demand balance when the travel restrictions are lifted the world over, people are no longer scared, there is a vaccine, etc. Then we will know which girls will return to DE, who will truly want to stay back in Spain, and what not. Until then, what these girls say is really just their emotions speaking in the moment and it is not as if they are not known to ever change their mind.

If the implication is that due to the willingness of Spain and a few other places to be slightly more relaxed on rules that there is a permanent realignment of mongering destinations for girls and guys, that is a bit premature thing to say, in my humble opinion.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2467679]It is not like every summer but yes social distancing and mask wearing is not followed everywhere. No tourists in Roma, a second wave is coming or is already here.

I don't see any FKK opening in 2020.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think they should have closed beach resorts, people are all over as if they want to get back lost time during lock down. Let see how that turns out. It takes everyone's cooperation to stop this, but it is not the mindset of many people to cooperate. If they don't, all the lock down and tears shared by small business owners will be for nothing.

FKK would be the last as it already was most criticized industry by society even though it is one of the most important industry for us mongers LOL.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]
The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens [/QUOTE]
These girls do not understand the basic law in economics. If many FKKs girls are moving to Spain there will soon be an oversupply. They will come back when the supply is much higher than demand.

The customers of many FKK in Germany are not only local people in Germany but many are also coming from neighbouring countries doing a day trip to German FKK, especially during the weekend.

But I agree some FKKs owner might not be able to sustain loss and is finally going bankrupt if the FKK cannot be open soon.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2466007]Let's assume that one year ago (before CV19), you would start testing people for the regular (flu? Or we start officially recording the number of bee stings? Would you get concerned if "case are again rising?

Merely the number of cases means very little to me.

What matters to me is the Case Fatality Rate, in other words, what is the chance of actually dying. How many people (who were perfectly healthy before getting infected with CV19!) are actually dying because of CV19? Some people with underlying health problems can die of the regular flu, just like some people can die of an allergic reaction because of a bee sting, or some people die (slowly!) because of the horrible food they eat in fast food restaurants. Does this mean we should close down the entire economy and our entire society also for those reasons?

I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising![/QUOTE]

The difference between COVID-19 infection and flu virus infection is that, this virus will attack your lung. Even you manage to recover, to some extend, it might still damage your lung. The damaged lung is irreversible.

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2467737]Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree. The Devil is in the details, ja?[/QUOTE]At "PFI": Please back up your post with some specific details. You said in a definitive manner that there are girls from Sharks and Oase working in Spain clubs. Okay: who and where specifically? Sweeping general statements give little fruit. The proof is in the pudding, yes? So thanks so much for showing us your cards.

Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognised blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.

Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732] In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain..[/QUOTE]Which 3 clubs?

Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognized blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.

Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKK.

The girls are perfectly aware about what is happening in the other countries, just Austria and Germany FKK are at the same level, in Spain there are a lot of mafia guys around, in Switzerland the girls are mostly under huge pressure from the owners even to accept anal sex. Bruxelles is also dangerous.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2467807]These girls do not understand the basic law in economics. If many FKKs girls are moving to Spain there will soon be an oversupply. They will come back when the supply is much higher than demand.

The customers of many FKK in Germany are not only local people in Germany but many are also coming from neighbouring countries doing a day trip to German FKK, especially during the weekend.

But I agree some FKKs owner might not be able to sustain loss and is finally going bankrupt if the FKK cannot be open soon.[/QUOTE]I agree, and don't forget that many visitors to Germany are business people (= have money) because Germany is an industrial country, and they combine business with some pleasure. This is basically what I do, but my company doesn't have business in Spain or the same volume of business in Austria and Switzerland. The FKK clubs in Switzerland will of course attracts many rich people from the financial industry, but overall a country needs to meet a couple of conditions in order for an FKK club to survive;.

1) a legal framework, legalizing prostitution.

2) a rich customer base, either locals or many rich visitors.

These two conditions will attract the girls, and Germany and Switzerland still hold the best cards.

Anyway, with each week and month going by, I think the chances of German FKK clubs opening again is getting smaller and smaller, because cases are again rising and it's not even autumn-winter yet.

I think ventilation is key, and I would have had no problem visiting Sharks or GT during the summer, spend many hours outside, fucking in an outdoor area or a cabin with the door open, the doors to the restaurant area wide open allowing fresh air to ventilate the entire club area. But visiting in the winter? Doors closed? Heavy air, full of cigarette smoke? Stuffy and poorly ventilated rooms upstairs at Sharks? Even more stuffy rooms underneath the aquarium? Small and busy lounge area in GT? No way I will be visiting Sharks or GT, unless the health authorities (RKI in Germany) + Sharks / GT management will seriously start to look into improving and upgrading the HVAC (Heating, Ventilating, Air Conditioning) systems with special filters that can kill the virus!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467836]Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognised blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.

Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.[/QUOTE]I think there maybe owner change, but big FKK will be there, just with different owner who buy it for cheaper price.

However, if the property is not rented and bought, I think to sustain FKK during lock down is not too much, like let say Artemis, how many employees are there? Maybe 20 to 30 max, security, cleaning lady, receptionist, medical doctor, masseuse, bartenders, some administrative staffs and that is about it. Girls do not work for clubs, but also are guests like us. So no income, but not too much expense. Also no cost for light, water etc as I believe the place is shut.

NRW Germans are trying Globe, like Tara, Melina. Silicon and tattooed Melika is at 6 ens NL. A so pretty face from Artemis for me at Globe.

If still open, business should be down in Spain on end of September.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2467594]And we are the neo-monger believes in neo-mongerism and oddly most of society disagree with us and I don't know why LOL![/QUOTE]I blame it on widespread erectile problems, and ugly feminist women.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2467469]Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution............[/QUOTE]I never thought that I would like Marxism.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467744].............First, not all mongers are itching to go back to the clubs. Many Americans are genuinely concerned about their own health and safety probably, me being one. I would not be visiting any clubs even if the clubs were open this minute. I am staying away from even my sugar babes due to health concerns, and those are girls I can fuck any time w / o having to travel right near my home...........[/QUOTE]You have very strong will power. When I returned home from Germany in the middle of March I vowed to abstain from sex until the catastrophe is over. My abstinence lasted for about two weeks. Sigh.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467836]Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.[/QUOTE]Spain is experiencing another massive wave of new cases, in part because they have chosen to allow (mostly drunk) brits back into the country without any quarantine requirements. In my view, Germany policy will be turn out to be the best and they will find a way to re-open FKK in a safe environment.

Rock.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2467858]NRW Germans are trying Globe, like Tara, Melina. Silicon and tattooed Melika is at 6 ens NL. A so pretty face from Artemis for me at Globe.

If still open, business should be down in Spain on end of September.[/QUOTE]When some GT German girls are now working and not the prettiest, for 140/30 at Globe, even Germans are used to respect rules, but I wonder how they will accept everything for only 50/30 and old fat going to cry on desk, when GT will reopen. Linda telling about cheap business at YY NL where also 50/30 but no desk to listen to old fat crying. But some didn't make enough business to stay in Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2467896]You have very strong will power. When I returned home from Germany in the middle of March I vowed to abstain from sex until the catastrophe is over. My abstinence lasted for about two weeks. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Are you using SA or going for local escorts. Just curious. Do people think it's safer to take visiting girls or local girls. We are seeing an influx in the NW of visiting Russian girls. Clearly brought in by the same group as the ads are so closely similar but nonetheless each ad somehow pretends the girl is INDIE and jsut happened to discover Seattle or Vancouver.

But sorry guys to you really believe that the German government cares about the reopening of the FKK, visiting prostitutes and being safe is not compatible or please explain to me how so many medical staffs are infected even they take a lot of safety measures.

For me I will not visit any prostitutes in the coming months or years until the safety is back, I am not stupid, first of all I am extremely selective so I think there are few real, natural beauties now in the FKK just because those girls don't need to take risk for their health, second since I reduced drastically (2017) my spending on P6 my finances are so much better.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2467896]You have very strong will power. When I returned home from Germany in the middle of March I vowed to abstain from sex until the catastrophe is over. My abstinence lasted for about two weeks. Sigh.[/QUOTE]I have a family, which is a constraining factor. Not truly any will power; but we are distancing now and it would be tough to cover up a Covid infection and also not a risk I want to expose them to. It is different from say, if I got an STD which I can fix quietly by seeing a doctor. I would be doing as you did if I was single haha. If you are seeing escorts regularly, you may already be infected and safe for now. Did you get an antibody test?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2467838]Which 3 clubs?[/QUOTE]Estark 92 Fuengirola (posted twice in the forum), Fontana (LOS Barrios) posted a report, and now Scandalos. Hope that answers the question.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2467912]Spain is experiencing another massive wave of new cases, in part because they have chosen to allow (mostly drunk) brits back into the country without any quarantine requirements. In my view, Germany policy will be turn out to be the best and they will find a way to re-open FKK in a safe environment.

Rock.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but this is just factually wrong. There is no "massive" wave of new cases at all. Spain had 4 deaths on Thursday, Germany had 3. See Worldometers. Spain has had new waves in Galatia (north) and Sergia (Catalunia). The reports in Madrid and Costa Del Sol (where most of the clubs are) are that the virus is under control.

Mask are mandatory everywhere. Including in the clubs. Big fines if no mask.

The drunk Brits hit Magauluf and got it closed. You are of course entitled to your view, but I'm sorry to say that many FKKs just will not survive being closed for so long. The big clubs will survive on past profits. Many of the smaller clubs which were hand to mouth monthly just will not make it through.

And Spain is seeing a rise (as many countries are) but it is not "massive" and it is very much under control and far less serious than the spikes in other parts of the World. Mongering in Spain is virtually unrestricted presently, ditto Holland, ditto Switzerland. It is only really in Germany (and now Austria) where panic is causing businesses to close.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2467886]I blame it on widespread erectile problems, and ugly feminist women.[/QUOTE]Mongers and related industries always has been central core of criticism by many entities or more like by almost all society, they do not like what we do buddy, but we love what we do LOL! And fair to say, we are living much better sex life than most men ever lived, so let us strive to live even better sex life till the day we kick our bucket. We mongers are on the right path LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2467912]Spain is experiencing another massive wave of new cases, in part because they have chosen to allow (mostly drunk) brits back into the country without any quarantine requirements. In my view, Germany policy will be turn out to be the best and they will find a way to re-open FKK in a safe environment.

Rock.[/QUOTE]As I said before, the media is scaremongering all these "cases," but very little gets reported about how many of those "cases" are actually doing. Are these "cases" sitting at home feeling fine? Are these "cases" displaying mild flu-like symptoms? Or are those "cases" requiring hospitalization, intensive care or are dying?

I'm not a big fan of Fox News, but they uncovered a story that in Florida some young motorcyclist died, and they registered him as "Covid 19 fatality."

[URL]https://video.foxnews.com/v/6172729844001[/URL]#sp=show-clips.

This is how they manipulate and scare you. So once again: how many of those "cases" are actually in serious condition?

You seem to know very little about German policy. Are you German, do you speak the language, or do you frequently visit German? As I also wrote about before, Germany still has vert strict distancing laws, many people wear masks, even drinking a coffee on a terrace outside or walking into a McD and asking for a 'coffee-to-go' requires you to fill out a contact form, mask-wearing is mandatory in shops and office buildings, gyms-fitness centres (physical activities) still have many restrictions, and we are now living in the summer where it's nice weather and windows (fresh virus-free air can enter buildings) are open.

I simply don't see how this can improve during the winter.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2467932]Are you using SA or going for local escorts. Just curious. Do people think it's safer to take visiting girls or local girls. We are seeing an influx in the NW of visiting Russian girls. Clearly brought in by the same group as the ads are so closely similar but nonetheless each ad somehow pretends the girl is INDIE and jsut happened to discover Seattle or Vancouver.[/QUOTE]Non-pros and SA have not worked for me. NYC escorts all the way. Too many are overweight, I miss my slim Romanians. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467983]I have a family, which is a constraining factor. Not truly any will power; but we are distancing now and it would be tough to cover up a Covid infection and also not a risk I want to expose them to. It is different from say, if I got an STD which I can fix quietly by seeing a doctor. I would be doing as you did if I was single haha. If you are seeing escorts regularly, you may already be infected and safe for now. Did you get an antibody test?[/QUOTE]When I was in Brazil last year I got a nasty infection in November which had the symptoms of covid-19, I put it down to normal influenza and took the necessary medication, I was unable to monger for two weeks. Since then I've been doing fine and have not gotten tested.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467983]I have a family, which is a constraining factor. Not truly any will power; but we are distancing now and it would be tough to cover up a Covid infection and also not a risk I want to expose them to. It is different from say, if I got an STD which I can fix quietly by seeing a doctor. I would be doing as you did if I was single haha. If you are seeing escorts regularly, you may already be infected and safe for now. Did you get an antibody test?[/QUOTE]I totally fail to see any logic in your thinking.

CV19 like a common cold or a flu and you can catch it everywhere even from visiting a supermarket so it's easy to make up an excuse, but an STD is only transmitted via sex (hence the name sexually transmitted disease) and therefore a lot harder to explain to or hide from a wife / partner / family.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.

It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.

I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.[/QUOTE]Spain is warmer. So, it is easier for the girls to work year round. However, there is much more money in Germany if the messes reopens. That is the real issue. Even if the clubs reopens, there is not enough business without the messe crowdes to keep the big clubs full. Clubs are not so easy to retrofit. If one fails, a person just buys the place and reopens. The issue is if there are enough girls to stock the place and get the customers to come. The demand is there. No many mongers give up the lifestyle unless they are out of money or just too old.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468200]I totally fail to see any logic in your thinking.

CV19 like a common cold or a flu and you can catch it everywhere even from visiting a supermarket so it's easy to make up an excuse, but an STD is only transmitted via sex (hence the name sexually transmitted disease) and therefore a lot harder to explain to or hide from a wife / partner / family.[/QUOTE]I fully understand him to be careful to protect his family when brothels are real playfield for spreading virus. I m always amazed many Germans go to fuck AO before returning to wife. Great respect for wife health, when a bad guy like me give real name and phone at Globe, even no ID control, but if I take risks for me, I want to be informed if risk, not to kill too many people I meet who don t deserve to get sick or die because I visit brothels and behave with no respect for others. On this time, can see who are real respectful, rather than many only blabla.

Even far better way of life with more sun, better foods, but if Germany reopen, but still virus and confined places in Germany or like wonderful Barcelona, most girls will leave Spanish way of life but low business in most places, to return to Germany business when Germany is European big brothel. Not much business in Spain after holidays.

I know a club with great real Slavians speaking fluent Russian, for 70/30, in Catalunya, most often empty. You feel sultan of harem there, same like at Amesia or Aphrodisia Zurich. Had great times with so fresh and passionate girls looking and behaving like normal women and really woman types.

Reply EL: which millions of taxes are you speaking about, most of the girls are cheating and strongly under declare their income. Most of them are not German and so too are the owner, really 0 impact on the German economy. Knowing that when the guys are not in the FKK may be they go to the restaurant with the GF or spouse may be even a positive impact for Germany.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468200]I totally fail to see any logic in your thinking.

CV19 like a common cold or a flu and you can catch it everywhere even from visiting a supermarket so it's easy to make up an excuse, but an STD is only transmitted via sex (hence the name sexually transmitted disease) and therefore a lot harder to explain to or hide from a wife / partner / family.[/QUOTE]I don't want to disclose too many personal details for obvious reasons but as I said, we are distancing very strictly. Grocery delivery, thorough cleaning, all that. The lifestyle I have keeps me pretty safe, almost zero interaction with outsiders. I don't know if I agree with you on STDs. Cross fingers nothing yet in my case, but unless it is HIV, I can quietly pay some doc and get it fixed as long as sexually staying away from spouse for a couple of weeks (which you can do with some lame excuses).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468025]Mongers and related industries always has been central core of criticism by many entities or more like by almost all society, they do not like what we do buddy, but we love what we do LOL! And fair to say, we are living much better sex life than most men ever lived, so let us strive to live even better sex life till the day we kick our bucket. We mongers are on the right path LOL![/QUOTE]The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria. So it is kinda based on racism too.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2468260]The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria. So it is kinda based on racism too.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I as a monger believe in one thing and one thing only, young beautiful girls pussies, one after another LOL. That is one of very few things that keep me alive and keep me going as a driving force in my life. For many other things, it does not convince me or I got bored, so over it, but somehow new beautiful girls pussies are always revitalizing and new to me!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2468217]I fully understand him to be careful to protect his family when brothels are real playfield for spreading virus. I m always amazed many Germans go to fuck AO before returning to wife. Great respect for wife health, when a bad guy like me give real name and phone at Globe, even no ID control, but if I take risks for me, I want to be informed if risk, not to kill too many people I meet who don t deserve to get sick or die because I visit brothels and behave with no respect for others. On this time, can see who are real respectful, rather than many only blabla.[/QUOTE]I never got to go to AO clubs before it was banned by law, but I always wonder how STD did not spread rapidly in major scale at those AO clubs. Or they made the law specially targeting AO clubs, so maybe there were some incidents.

If girls are stunners there, it would have been paradise for mongers, but with some risks.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2468214]Spain is warmer. So, it is easier for the girls to work year round. However, there is much more money in Germany if the messes reopens. That is the real issue. Even if the clubs reopens, there is not enough business without the messe crowdes to keep the big clubs full. Clubs are not so easy to retrofit. If one fails, a person just buys the place and reopens. The issue is if there are enough girls to stock the place and get the customers to come. The demand is there. No many mongers give up the lifestyle unless they are out of money or just too old.[/QUOTE]I think once man begin to monger in right way in right place like German FKK, there is no coming back. I have been mongering for over 22 years now since I was age 17 or 18, so I am not bored, but had enough young beautiful pussies as I wanted, but I am not over it, even though I am used to beautiful girls, I still long for it.

Mongering in right way is the flight to heaven with no return. Sometimes, I am not even sure I want to fuck, but it still drive me to go back to FKK or escort. Once man learn how to provide himself with young beautiful girls pussies as he request, it is the beginning of never ending hobby.

I will always go back to German or Swiss FKK forever.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2468260]The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria.[/QUOTE]Pretty much everything in ancient Greek mythology involves some god fucking a human at some point.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2468214]............ No many mongers give up the lifestyle unless they are out of money or just too old.[/QUOTE]Lack of money is an obvious reason to give up mongering, another reason is getting into a serious monogamous relationship but I don't think mongers give up the lifestyle because they are too old. Many years ago some work mates of mine told me that a guy (a lawyer) close to 90 years old who worked in an office not too far from ours visited brothels. They said that he only did cunnilingus. Don't ask me how they knew that. I had no reason to doubt them though.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468445]
I will always go back to German or Swiss FKK forever.[/QUOTE]Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2468558]Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.[/QUOTE]I mean, nightclubs are also not allowed to open in Germany right now. If those open without clubs opening, that's when I would start to worry.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468370]I never got to go to AO clubs before it was banned by law, but I always wonder how STD did not spread rapidly in major scale at those AO clubs. Or they made the law specially targeting AO clubs, so maybe there were some incidents.

If girls are stunners there, it would have been paradise for mongers, but with some risks.[/QUOTE]If you have sex without protection, it is just a matter of time before you get a STD. Most people keep it quiet. The risks are substantial. Even in FKKs, the girls are always taking some form or antibiotics.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468370]I never got to go to AO clubs before it was banned by law, but I always wonder how STD did not spread rapidly in major scale at those AO clubs. Or they made the law specially targeting AO clubs, so maybe there were some incidents.

If girls are stunners there, it would have been paradise for mongers, but with some risks.[/QUOTE]New German law forbidden AO sex, new law was also to protect German wives, but low level RTC with ugly girls with bad teeth still existed after 1 July 2017, Germans going to have sex with Bulgarians fucked AO 10 times per day, before returning to respect wife. We don't all have same meaning of respect in brothels land.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2468558]Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.[/QUOTE]Since I found FKK, I always appreciated the existence of such platform. It is combined of german liberalism and german organization. What I love about FKK platform is that, in some part, FKK serves as secret place for young former normal girls (some of them) to make quick big money in few months, at least we used to have some walk in girls just for summer holidays, we still do, but much less now.

However, I know some girls who worked in FKK and now quit and actually studying in university, so for some of them, FKK is the secret place to make quick big cash to continue with their normal life after with more money in their bank account.

Additionally, we often still get walk in escort girls during their low season. It is pretty high end escort girls as they promote themselves in room with their escort agency's website. For me, it is seeing girls before I fuck, which attract me. Of course, I get it bit cheaper than escort agencies even after escort girls in FKK up sell a bit, but for me to see the girls I fuck before is the biggest plus for me, not so much the price difference.

I fortunately went to FKK earlier this year, and realistically with how this virus is going, I do not think I will go again this year, but I did monger properly this year already and I am looking forward to my come back sometimes next year. I am Japanese, so I can enter Europe for awhile now, but I do not want to risk my lung because of fucking girls and I fucked more than enough young beautiful girls already, so I am quite OK with it LOL!

FKK, escort and doing mongering in finest level efficiently is big mental support for me as a man because I am in position where already fucked so many young beautiful girls already throughout my life, and this fact keep me so calm and satisfied. It is good thing for man to be at this mental state in life because it is women which get you in life and I do not have this problem.

I give thanks and praises for all the stake holders in mongering industry, whether it is girls in FKK, escort girls, brothel owners, mongers, forum owners, other mongers, pimps or who ever stake holders maybe. We are all part of this mongering life cycle and it is important to keep this cycle keep on going for well being of us monger's life.

Even I am satisfied and feel such a satisfaction with my sex life, what wonderful about mongering in right way is that still each time I meet new young beautiful girl I am about to fuck, I still have this butterfly in my stomach. I had enough with fucking so many beautiful girls, but I never get enough of it because each time it is brand new beautiful pussies, ass, anal, tits, beautiful face etc. It is wonderful way to live! And I am so glad I met mongering since I was age 17 or 18.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2468456]Lack of money is an obvious reason to give up mongering, another reason is getting into a serious monogamous relationship but I don't think mongers give up the lifestyle because they are too old. Many years ago some work mates of mine told me that a guy (a lawyer) close to 90 years old who worked in an office not too far from ours visited brothels. They said that he only did cunnilingus. Don't ask me how they knew that. I had no reason to doubt them though.[/QUOTE]By the time we are old, there will be more better, safer, yet powerful medicine than viagra etc. , so we do not need to worry about older days. Just be sure to be healthy financially and physically, then we mongers are set LOL!

However, just licking girls body, pussy, anal and kissing her and make her lick yours can be artistic enough, it is better than sleeping next to old aged wives and kissing her stinky old mouth LOL! Unless you are into older women LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2468558]And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN.[/QUOTE]Bro,

Don't say that. I had my first trip planned for this month and recently had to push it back to October, but I may even have to wait until next year.

I think the big clubs like Sharks will rebound, but some of the smaller clubs may close for a much longer extended period, maybe even permanently.

Sorry, not FKK but this goes to some of these fears being expressed here.

[URL]https://time.com/5858586/covid-19-red-light-district-amsterdam/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-prostitute-hotel/index.html[/URL]

Before the lockdown, Amsterdam Mayor Femke Halsema was already considering a major overhaul of the Red Light District in a bid to reduce disruptive behavior and protect the sex workers from degrading conditions. In May, she said that the pandemic has highlighted the "urgency to think about the city center of the future."

Halsema has presented four scenarios for the district, which range from reducing the number of brothel windows to moving sex workers to a new location.

She has also suggested opening a "prostitution hotel" outside the center and said in May that the search for a new location was well under way. The council will hold a vote on the scenarios after the summer, a spokesperson told CNN.

New rules have already been introduced. Tour guides are no longer allowed to stop in front of the windows and tourists are banned from taking pictures of the sex workers.

Sex workers fear the district will be closed down and that they will be moved to a remote location outside the city center.

"That would be extremely dangerous. When you leave your shift at 5 am, the robbers will be lining up," says Anita. "We don't want to move into a prostitution hotel. Here everyone can see us. That's what makes our jobs safe."

They also worry about the impact moving elsewhere will have on their income as they rely heavily on walk-in tourists.

The current situation provides city authorities with a good opportunity to push through reforms, says Hamaker.

"Window owners are in a vulnerable position. They are scared to lose their livelihoods. There are already options on the table to buy out current owners," he says.

[QUOTE=SoloTour;2468602]Bro,

Don't say that. I had my first trip planned for this month and recently had to push it back to October, but I may even have to wait until next year.

I think the big clubs like Sharks will rebound, but some of the smaller clubs may close for a much longer extended period, maybe even permanently.[/QUOTE]October is really not sure for German brothels to be opened, when virus is spreading with people moving more and for holidays. R0 is not always below 1 everywhere.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468581]I am Japanese, so I can enter Europe for awhile now[/QUOTE]Nope!

[URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm[/URL]

You can't enter Germany unless you hold a residence permit issued by Germany.

You are subject to 14 days quarantine.

I believe in the mechanics of demand and supply. That makes me optimistic but not foolishly.

No doubt some FKK's will close down. But there will always be WG's. Even more than before. Then there will be new investors who will build new clubs to accommodate this surge and to entertain the famished mongers. It will take a while. And may take a new form. But there will always be young women ready to please old men for money.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2468558]Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468581]Since I found FKK, I always appreciated the existence of such platform. It is combined of german liberalism and german organization. for me to see the girls I fuck before is the biggest plus for me, not so much the price difference.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. The platform is excellent and I too love to see before I buy. I really cannot do escorts any longer as there are too many places in the world where you can see before you buy. And many of them are open now even if FKKs in Germany are not.

[QUOTE=SoloTour;2468602]Bro,

Don't say that. I had my first trip planned for this month and recently had to push it back to October, but I may even have to wait until next year.

I think the big clubs like Sharks will rebound, but some of the smaller clubs may close for a much longer extended period, maybe even permanently.[/QUOTE]I share your pain my friend! I hope you are correct and I very much hope your trip in October can take place as I would love to get back there too!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2468581]Since I found FKK, I always appreciated the existence of such platform. It is combined of german liberalism and german organization...

For me, it is seeing girls before I fuck, which attract me. Of course, I get it bit cheaper than escort agencies even after escort girls in FKK up sell a bit, but for me to see the girls I fuck before is the biggest plus for me, not so much the price difference.

...FKK, escort and doing mongering in finest level efficiently is big mental support for me as a man because I am in position where already fucked so many young beautiful girls already throughout my life, and this fact keep me so calm and satisfied. It is good thing for man to be at this mental state in life because it is women which get you in life and I do not have this problem.

I give thanks and praises for all the stake holders in mongering industry, whether it is girls in FKK, escort girls, brothel owners, mongers, forum owners, other mongers, pimps or who ever stake holders maybe. We are all part of this mongering life cycle and it is important to keep this cycle keep on going for well being of us monger's life.

Even I am satisfied and feel such a satisfaction with my sex life, what wonderful about mongering in right way is that still each time I meet new young beautiful girl I am about to fuck, I still have this butterfly in my stomach. I had enough with fucking so many beautiful girls, but I never get enough of it because each time it is brand new beautiful pussies, ass, anal, tits, beautiful face etc. It is wonderful way to live! And I am so glad I met mongering since I was age 17 or 18.[/QUOTE]Well said Mr Ho, I could not have said it better.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2468738]I totally agree. The platform is excellent and I too love to see before I buy. I really cannot do escorts any longer as there are too many places in the world where you can see before you buy. And many of them are open now even if FKKs in Germany are not.[/QUOTE]I hear good things come to those who wait, so we wait till our days will return and it will return and we will return with our erected penises LOL!

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2468752]Well said Mr Ho, I could not have said it better.[/QUOTE]Thank you, I have true appreciation for the industry and its stake holders.

It always gave me among the best memories I cherish for rest of my life. I am sure so many mongers can relate to what I said.

FKK may not be favored place by society, but for us, it gave us so much wonderful memories and experiences that we cannot forget!

[QUOTE=Akibono;2468567]............ the girls are always taking some form or antibiotics.[/QUOTE]This is bad as it could cause antibiotic resistant STDs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2468779]This is bad as it could cause antibiotic resistant STDs.[/QUOTE]It's very common for Romanians in general to take antibiotics when they have a bit of a cold even if it makes no sense. Doctors there give out antibiotics like candy.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2468780]It's very common for Romanians in general to take antibiotics when they have a bit of a cold even if it makes no sense. Doctors there give out antibiotics like candy.[/QUOTE]Nothing compared to Thailand though. There there are a pharmacy at every corner, and girls eat them on a daily basis. Plus the drugs are usually 2-3 times as potent as they are in Europe and USA.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2468624]Sorry, not FKK but this goes to some of these fears being expressed here.

[URL]https://time.com/5858586/covid-19-red-light-district-amsterdam/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-prostitute-hotel/index.html[/URL]

Before the lockdown, Amsterdam Mayor Femke Halsema was already considering a major overhaul of the Red Light District in a bid to reduce disruptive behavior and protect the sex workers from degrading conditions. In May, she said that the pandemic has highlighted the "urgency to think about the city center of the future."

Halsema has presented four scenarios for the district, which range from reducing the number of brothel windows to moving sex workers to a new location.

She has also suggested opening a "prostitution hotel" outside the center and said in May that the search for a new location was well under way. The council will hold a vote on the scenarios after the summer, a spokesperson told CNN.

New rules have already been introduced. Tour guides are no longer allowed to stop in front of the windows and tourists are banned from taking pictures of the sex workers.

Sex workers fear the district will be closed down and that they will be moved to a remote location outside the city center..[/QUOTE]Salaam!

And this is exactly what we have been saying here on a FKK boards for a long time! FKK some red light window or a stinky building.

This 'hotel' will probably end up like an FKK.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2468868]Salaam!
[/QUOTE]Hey I thought I was the only Arab on here, but now some people are pretending.

Looks like they are going to shut down Amsterdam the same way they are shutting down Hamburg. Using the usual umbrella excuse: COVID-19. There is no tute on earth naive enough to believe any intervention of this kind can be anything but destruction.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. " -- Someone Who Loved Government So Much he Took It Over And Grew It 60%.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2468868]Salaam!

And this is exactly what we have been saying here on a FKK boards for a long time! FKK some red light window or a stinky building.

This 'hotel' will probably end up like an FKK.[/QUOTE]Hi Pistons,

Yes, that was my first thought too. If all the tutes are in one building, it makes selection easier. However, this is being forced upon them and not with any good intent to help or make the sex business flourish. It is obviously to clean up the sex district and transform it like Time Square from 1990's to now.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2468864]P6 is used by a small percentage of the population. And if you are going to count the men who actually see a WG regularly (as in more than ten times a year), we are talking probably less than 1 percent of the population. Nobody gives a shit but us hardcore mongers. The problem is there are not that many hardcore mongers, and even less who would voluntarily relinquish their anonymity to participate in a protest. If prostitution were abolished in Germany tomorrow, very few people would put up a fight. Just like nobody really put up a fight when similar things happened in USA or France. Rather than protest the anti-P6 laws, these American and French men "blindly followed their politicians".

Since the closing of FKK clubs back in March, many local mongers quit P6. However, the more hardcore ones continue to engage in P6 either illegally in DEU or travelling to other countries where it is currently legal. Again no different to what American and French mongers have done for years.[/QUOTE]What is your theory why P6 was legalized and that too at such large scale, in such a public fashion, mega FKks, in the first place? If advocates are not many and are too shy to ask for it publicly, and politicians always benefit by posing around as tough on sex and crime and sexual crime, what was the impetus to have made it happen and what changed from then to now.

(Please go light on feminist bashing and rants. Not you McA, but others).

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2468906]Hey I thought I was the only Arab on here, but now some people are pretending.

Looks like they are going to shut down Amsterdam the same way they are shutting down Hamburg. Using the usual umbrella excuse: COVID-19. There is no tute on earth naive enough to believe any intervention of this kind can be anything but destruction.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. " -- Someone Who Loved Government So Much he Took It Over And Grew It 60%.[/QUOTE]Indeed, and the political pattern is very clear: Femke Halsema is a member of the Dutch extreme leftwing Green Party (former Communist Party of The Netherlands) and Hamburg is ruled by a coalition of SPD (socialists) and Greens.

It's always very typical and funny how hypocritical those leftwing parties are: preaching "diversity, tolerance and freedom" but once in power they start to outlaw and censor everything and everybody.

I'm afraid that the Swedish model (also ruled by leftwing social democrats for decades) for P6 will be introduced in Europe, and CV19 is the prefect scapegoat but the naive Germans still blindly trust their politicians and government.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_Parliament[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroenLinks[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2468933]What is your theory why P6 was legalized and that too at such large scale, in such a public fashion, mega FKks, in the first place? If advocates are not many and are too shy to ask for it publicly, and politicians always benefit by posing around as tough on sex and crime and sexual crime, what was the impetus to have made it happen and what changed from then to now.[/QUOTE]When decriminalization happened in 2002, the impetus was NOT male mongers taking to the streets and fighting for their rights. But rather, it was politicians who believed that legalization would create safer working conditions for WGs. The legalization of prostitution was seen as "progressive" and a victory for yes even the feminists. They believed WGs would be emancipated from the criminals that exploited them.

[QUOTE]"The idea of the law, passed by Chancellor Gerhard Schrders Social Democrat-Green coalition, was to recognise prostitution as a job like any other. Sex workers could now enter into employment contracts, sue for payment and register for health insurance, pension plans and other benefits. Exploiting prostitutes was still criminal but everything else was now above board. [b]Two female politicians and a Berlin madam were pictured clinking their champagne glasses in celebration.[/b]"

https://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/.[/QUOTE]By 2017, those same proponents had come to realize that legalization had been a failed experiment. The laws introduced in 2017 were an attempt to correct the miscalculations of the 2002 draft.

[QUOTE]"The desired effect for sex workers has not been achieved. Sex workers have not made use of their rights. Only one percent of sex workers have signed a legal work contract. A survey conducted by the Social Science Research Institute on Women's Studies at Freiburg's Protestant University of Applied Sciences also showed that the overwhelming majority of state-regulated health insurance companies and pension schemes do not list prostitution as a profession."

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-introduces-unpopular-prostitution-law/a-39511761
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2469133]When decriminalization happened in 2002, the impetus was NOT male mongers taking to the streets and fighting for their rights. But rather, it was politicians who believed that legalization would create safer working conditions for WGs. The legalization of prostitution was seen as "progressive" and a victory for yes even the feminists. They believed WGs would be emancipated from the criminals that exploited them.

By 2017, those same proponents had come to realize that legalization had been a failed experiment. The laws introduced in 2017 were an attempt to correct the miscalculations of the 2002 draft.[/QUOTE]Basically correct the miscalculations as in AO clubs mostly? Which as a collateral damage affected our BBBJ package at standard rate.

If former Warsaw Pact countries were already EU members before the 2002 law was passed or German legislators decided to write the law years later (like after 2008), do you think it be the same or there will be differences? IMO they might make it harder for sex businesses (including escort agencies) to hire foreign girls or operate independently, especially from hot trafficking spots like Romania or Russia. They might introduce fines for customers who see trafficked girls like in the UK or even jail time. What do you think?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2469133]When decriminalization happened in 2002, the impetus was NOT male mongers taking to the streets and fighting for their rights. But rather, it was politicians who believed that legalization would create safer working conditions for WGs. The legalization of prostitution was seen as "progressive" and a victory for yes even the feminists. They believed WGs would be emancipated from the criminals that exploited them.

By 2017, those same proponents had come to realize that legalization had been a failed experiment. The laws introduced in 2017 were an attempt to correct the miscalculations of the 2002 draft.[/QUOTE]If the original intent was based on a recognition that WGs are unsafe in an environment where prostitution was not legalized, that recognition is still there. I don't see any evidence that the prior recognition has vanished. Ditto about trying to protect the girls from criminal elements as you put it.

I read the 2017 laws as trying to improve on the prior bills, and not as a change of heart. I see a contradiction in your language. You call it "a failed experiment" in their perception, but then use the phrase "correct the miscalculations". Very few people expect a new experiment to succeed 100%, completely. After a while, they make an assessment and make changes to improve it, which you suggested with your phrase "correct the miscalculations". But "failed experiment" is too dramatic. If they had believed the entire thing is a failure, they would have made much more dramatic changes and not simply "don't suck dick with no condom" rules which as we all know is completely and universally violated as long as the girl is enticed with a longer session or more money if the monger is an Asian visitor.

I lean towards the view they prefer prostitution in a safe and legal establishment and would let it continue when the Covid situation is under control.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2469133].........By 2017, those same proponents had come to realize that legalization had been a failed experiment..........[/QUOTE]In FKKs the customers were happy and the working girls were happy. The only people who were unhappy were the impotent men and frigid women in authority.

What was the website you guys were following to find the latest news on potential FKK openings in Germany?

I do hear SS is hot right now, and the Austrian clubs are improving. But I'm still a bit on the fence here.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2469421]What was the website you guys were following to find the latest news on potential FKK openings in Germany?

I do hear SS is hot right now, and the Austrian clubs are improving. But I'm still a bit on the fence here.[/QUOTE]If you mean 6 ens NL with girls wearing mask in lounge bar, when usually very average casting, maybe prettier with mask.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2469214]If the original intent was based on a recognition that WGs are unsafe in an environment where prostitution was not legalized, that recognition is still there. I don't see any evidence that the prior recognition has vanished. Ditto about trying to protect the girls from criminal elements as you put it.

I read the 2017 laws as trying to improve on the prior bills, and not as a change of heart. I see a contradiction in your language. You call it "a failed experiment" in their perception, but then use the phrase "correct the miscalculations". Very few people expect a new experiment to succeed 100%, completely. After a while, they make an assessment and make changes to improve it, which you suggested with your phrase "correct the miscalculations". But "failed experiment" is too dramatic. If they had believed the entire thing is a failure, they would have made much more dramatic changes.[/QUOTE]In 2002, there seemed to be more widespread support for legalization. I believe the pendulum has swung the other way. Most WGs do not want to register, despite the legal protections, insurances, and pension. No different than mongers who by and large do not want to register. From a human rights perspective, I believe the alleged increase in trafficking activity since 2002 has brought negative attention to Germany.

So yes, "failed experiment" might employ them giving up entirely. Clearly what the government did was reassess, and introduce stricter legislation in an attempt to curb the problem (I. E. all WGs must register, all WGs must provide physical permanent address and not sleep in club etc). But if the attempts to curb the problem are not successful, then what?

[QUOTE]"When the law changed to decriminalize brothels there really was widespread support. Many people naively believed that legalization and regulation would turn prostitution into a supposedly 'normal' kind of business. In the past five years, however, theres been a shift back towards a broader consensus in the other direction, as we realize that things have gotten worse, that there are victims of trafficking still. Its as if abuse is now carrying on with a legalized varnish."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-03-25/amsterdam-s-latest-quest-to-tame-legalized-prostitution.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Job Cohen said he doesn't want prostitution or drugs recriminalized, but would like to shutdown the shops showcasing the prostitutes from behind glass windows.

Hesaid a move in 2000 to legalize prostitution failed to curb gangsters running Amsterdam's sex trade.

Legalization "didn't bring us what we hoped and expected," he told reporters at the upscale Krasnapolsky Hotel on Dam Square, which backs onto the red-light district.

"We want in part to reverse it, especially with regard to the exploitation of women in the sex industry," he said.

Officials fear women are being forced into prostitution, something that legalization was supposed to prevent.

"We have seen in the last years that women trafficking has becoming more, so in this respect the legalizing of the prostitution didn't work out," Cohen said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mayor-unveils-plan-to-clean-up-amsterdam-s-red-light-district-1.674880
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2469455]In 2002, there seemed to be more widespread support for legalization. I believe the pendulum has swung the other way. Most WGs do not want to register, despite the legal protections, insurances, and pension. No different than mongers who by and large do not want to register. From a human rights perspective, I believe the alleged increase in trafficking activity since 2002 has brought negative attention to Germany.

So yes, "failed experiment" might employ them giving up entirely. Clearly what the government did was reassess, and introduce stricter legislation in an attempt to curb the problem (I. E. all WGs must register, all WGs must provide physical permanent address and not sleep in club etc). But if the attempts to curb the problem are not successful, then what?[/QUOTE]In the worst case scenario, we got Switzerland, that money aggressive nation will always provide prostitution. Legal age was 18, but it was even 16 before, now changed back to 18. Switzerland is our last place standing in rainy day, if such rainy day will come.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2469428]If you mean 6 ens NL with girls wearing mask in lounge bar, when usually very average casting, maybe prettier with mask.[/QUOTE]LOL Mask LOL!

I bet within first few minutes, set sentence said to girls by mongers would be like, can you lift up your mask? LOL Then mask off test is pass, let go to the room, and the mask off test is failed, you tell her, you have to return some video tapes and walks away LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2469421]What was the website you guys were following to find the latest news on potential FKK openings in Germany?

I do hear SS is hot right now, and the Austrian clubs are improving. But I'm still a bit on the fence here.[/QUOTE]I check the website called: [URL]http://internationalsexguide.nl/[/URL] LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2469421]What was the website you guys were following to find the latest news on potential FKK openings in Germany?

[/QUOTE]There is no ONE website we can follow. From what I have read from a German board, it seems that reopening the sex establishments (including FKK clubs) would not come from German government probably until vaccine or effective drugs are developed.

There were some lawsuits from various brothels, but all of them failed. It is still possible that one or a few lawsuits would succeed in the future, but most of these lawsuits would come from normal brothels, not FKK clubs because I think that the owners of FKK clubs know there is almost no chance that their lawsuits will succeed at this point.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2469588]There is no ONE website we can follow. From what I have read from a German board, it seems that reopening the sex establishments (including FKK clubs) would not come from German government probably until vaccine or effective drugs are developed.

There were some lawsuits from various brothels, but all of them failed. It is still possible that one or a few lawsuits would succeed in the future, but most of these lawsuits would come from normal brothels, not FKK clubs because I think that the owners of FKK clubs know there is almost no chance that their lawsuits will succeed at this point.[/QUOTE]What are the grounds on which they are suing? Differential treatment of various establishments? Is it because German government allowed some establishments like restaurants to open and FKKs and other commercial sex centers feel they have the same rights?

I assume German central government or the local governments have the legal ability to shut down businesses in their local jurisdictions due to reasons such as a pandemic outbreak?

Thanks for info. Does this mean eg Artemis "current open hours" on webside I fake news?

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2469588]There is no ONE website we can follow. From what I have read from a German board, it seems that reopening the sex establishments (including FKK clubs) would not come from German government probably until vaccine or effective drugs are developed.

There were some lawsuits from various brothels, but all of them failed. It is still possible that one or a few lawsuits would succeed in the future, but most of these lawsuits would come from normal brothels, not FKK clubs because I think that the owners of FKK clubs know there is almost no chance that their lawsuits will succeed at this point.[/QUOTE]

wrong post

[QUOTE=Uggabugga;2469656]Thanks for info. Does this mean eg Artemis "current open hours" on webside I fake news?[/QUOTE]Your health is important to us that's why we close our club temporarily.

Stay healthy, we're looking forward to see you soon.

Your Artemis-Team.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2469620]What are the grounds on which they are suing? Differential treatment of various establishments? Is it because German government allowed some establishments like restaurants to open and FKKs and other commercial sex centers feel they have the same rights?

I assume German central government or the local governments have the legal ability to shut down businesses in their local jurisdictions due to reasons such as a pandemic outbreak?[/QUOTE]The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2469839]The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.[/QUOTE]I think that the main reason does not have to do with the visitors but the girls. None of them will use mask or take hygiene measures because they give a shit to all this when it comes to the colour of money, let's be realistic.

FKK clubs cannot work with measures, it will be either like before or they close.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2469345]In FKKs the customers were happy and the working girls were happy. The only people who were unhappy were the impotent men and frigid women in authority.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, mongers, WGs, brothel operators do not have much political influence. Protests from stigmatized, marginalized populations like us would fall on deaf ears. Not only that, the number of mongers is numerically small, and the amount of mongers who would openly identify as mongers to support a "Monger Lives Matter" movement would be even smaller. For issues such as reopening (or legalization), it requires the support of "outsider" parties (social workers, politicians). Would be curious to see the turn out of this protest in Cologne on 29th: [URL]https://allevents.in/cologne/hurendemo-rotlichtan/200019940576753[/URL].

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2469200]Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex[/QUOTE]When participating in such polls about activities that are not socially acceptable, some men might lie. This is a valid argument. I assume their surveying methodology would allow for some anonymity. Perhaps a written survey that one can fill out without providing their name. About ten percent of men in Germany visit brothels. Amongst the men who admitted to visiting brothels, 35 percent go at least once a month. Perhaps we need to increase the estimate by 25 percent to get the "actual numbers": [URL]https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/umfrage-unter-deutschen-maennern-33-prozent-geben-geld-fuer-sex-aus_aid_834202.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2469839]The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Thanks for that. Seems like the rationale of judges is sound and also practical.

Seems like they are concerned about spread of the virus, as much as the first contact itself. I. e. Not whether a guy / girl catches corona from the girl / guy or another monger but also whether it can traced afterwards? I guess the masks during sex issue shows some concern for the former.

Of course if you actually ask any real monger if mask during sex is likely, I think the chance they will say "fuck no!" is very high, LOL. Not to mention, those masks are so stifling even during normal store visits etc, if a guy is pumping the girl vigorously during sex w / a mask, he might suffer real breathing problems.

Is there a second level appeal process after first level of rulings?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2469936]Unfortunately, mongers, WGs, brothel operators do not have much political influence. Protests from stigmatized, marginalized populations like us would fall on deaf ears. Not only that, the number of mongers is numerically small, and the amount of mongers who would openly identify as mongers to support a "Monger Lives Matter" movement would be even smaller. For issues such as reopening (or legalization), it requires the support of "outsider" parties (social workers, politicians). Would be curious to see the turn out of this protest in Cologne on 29th: [URL]https://allevents.in/cologne/hurendemo-rotlichtan/200019940576753[/URL].

When participating in such polls about activities that are not socially acceptable, some men might lie. This is a valid argument. I assume their surveying methodology would allow for some anonymity. Perhaps a written survey that one can fill out without providing their name. About ten percent of men in Germany visit brothels. Amongst the men who admitted to visiting brothels, 35 percent go at least once a month. Perhaps we need to increase the estimate by 25 percent to get the "actual numbers": [URL]https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/umfrage-unter-deutschen-maennern-33-prozent-geben-geld-fuer-sex-aus_aid_834202.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]We keep debating this. There has never been a time in the history of any nation I am aware of, where a majority of men proudly and openly admitted to being mongers, or a lot of ladies admitted to being prostitutes. It has always had a stigma attached to it and yet is the world's oldest profession and is one of the most recession proof activities. In a prior post, you simply said there was more support in 2002 and somehow things changed because they expected some improvement due to legalization and instead were turned off by the trafficking. While no doubt there is some reevaluation and some disappointment, I think that is too much of a glib explanation. Personally, I am willing to wait and see how this turns out and not be despondent immediately. I am more of an incrementalist and do not trust forecasts of massive step changes.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2469771]Your health is important to us that's why we close our club temporarily.

Stay healthy, we're looking forward to see you soon.

Your Artemis-Team.[/QUOTE]Good for me Artemis is closed, because I could find at Globe a elegant new beauty, as rare as pandas now at Globe, much prettier face than Linda, Megan level for face, and really lovely with good manners. Just miss little Romanian spark, but real pleasure with such sophisticated beauty, I drive and pay for this. Despite 2 hours of engine mechanic going to Zurich, since 50000 kms I don't know how I will succeed to make it reliable, but as I told her at the end of our discovery, I returned on next week end, I always try to respect my promise, even in brothels.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2469839]The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.[/QUOTE]While I do hope the clubs would open, the courts and the governments are right. With fresh outbreaks everywhere, brothels are a significant risk that is hard to mitigate. In general, the sex industry creates a lot of problems from trafficking to money laundering. That is why they are frequently targeted. It is not just the feminist argument. But they do serve a place in society too. What we have consistently seen with the virus is short term decisions made with the emphasis on profits do not work. If an outbreak is traced to a brothel, you can expect them all to be shut down. Brothels have many high risk factors. Travelers from distant places. No social distancing and difficulty of using masks as well as confined areas. None of this is favorable in controlling the virus. The best hope is driving the number of infections very low, to non-existent, in as great an area as possible and restricting mobility. Escorts are a better option at this time.

A user from Lusthaus posted a link to a study on the Swedish model of prostitution conducted by the German Ministry of Health. The user summarizes that although Swedish model has some advantages, it criticizes the bad science behind them and wouldn't benefit prostitutes in the event of a ban. Link to study in German:[URL]https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/678116/53f1edc9dc0f14f544a4bb076edfa9f4/WD-9-082-19-pdf-data.pdf[/URL].

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2470017]A user from Lusthaus posted a link to a study on the Swedish model of prostitution conducted by the German Ministry of Health. The user summarizes that although Swedish model has some advantages, it criticizes the bad science behind them and wouldn't benefit prostitutes in the event of a ban. Link to study in German:[URL]https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/678116/53f1edc9dc0f14f544a4bb076edfa9f4/WD-9-082-19-pdf-data.pdf[/URL].[/QUOTE]Good to hear. Although the German model is not perfect, a very restrictive model like the Swedish one leads to more girl exploitation and crime. Long live the FKK model!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2469957]

Is there a second level appeal process after first level of rulings?[/QUOTE]I am not sure. I will post more about this here if I find out more.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2469906]I think that the main reason does not have to do with the visitors but the girls. None of them will use mask or take hygiene measures because they give a shit to all this when it comes to the colour of money, let's be realistic.

FKK clubs cannot work with measures, it will be either like before or they close.[/QUOTE]Covid 19 affects older people. Young people infected with the virus are unaffected physically and most show no symptoms. The working girls are all young. The party that should be most concerned are the older mongers.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2468260]The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria. So it is kinda based on racism too.[/QUOTE]Both Pussy and cock do not have religion. But both are a perfect match.

Also, when mongering, you never ask someone else religion. What mater is whether both parties attract each other. Attraction is not necessarily from look but could also come from money.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2470173]Both Pussy and cock do not have religion. But both are a perfect match.

Also, when mongering, you never ask someone else religion. What mater is whether both parties attract each other. Attraction is not necessarily from look but could also come from money.[/QUOTE]I was with wow aura, Muslim Iranian beauty in GT Vienna, 26 yo, for 5 years in business, but so many taboos for really intimate sex, I felt I was with a virgin who doesn't know anything about sexuality. Same with many Romanians, really poor sexuality in Romania. Sexuality is not only being fucked, but a bit of knowledge, best is to learn with partner, for love for partner. So many times, girls look at me with big round eyes when touching them, for sure, despite being fucked whole day, but they discover some foreplay.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2470017]A user from Lusthaus posted a link to a study on the Swedish model of prostitution conducted by the German Ministry of Health. The user summarizes that although Swedish model has some advantages, it criticizes the bad science behind them and wouldn't benefit prostitutes in the event of a ban. Link to study in German:[URL]https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/678116/53f1edc9dc0f14f544a4bb076edfa9f4/WD-9-082-19-pdf-data.pdf[/URL].[/QUOTE]Swedish model is to prosecute clients, so, drunk Swedish go on sex boats between Sweden and Tallin Estonia. France also prosecute clients when prostitution is still legal with many escorts agencies advertising or girls in streets close to very chic and very expensive Paris 16th district.

[quote]I was with wow aura, Muslim Iranian beauty in GT Vienna, 26 yo, for 5 years in business, but so many taboos for really intimate sex, I felt I was with a virgin who doesn't know anything about sexuality. Same with many Romanians, really poor sexuality in Romania. Sexuality is not only being fucked, but a bit of knowledge, best is to learn with partner, for love for partner. So many times, girls look at me with big round eyes when touching them, for sure, despite being fucked whole day, but they discover some foreplay.
[/quote]Reply EL: most of the mongers are married or have GF, they don t want to take health risk by doing oral. They just want to fuck, come and go to another girl or home.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2470252]I was with wow aura, Muslim Iranian beauty in GT Vienna, 26 yo, for 5 years in business, but so many taboos for really intimate sex, I felt I was with a virgin who doesn't know anything about sexuality. Same with many Romanians, really poor sexuality in Romania. Sexuality is not only being fucked, but a bit of knowledge, best is to learn with partner, for love for partner. So many times, girls look at me with big round eyes when touching them, for sure, despite being fucked whole day, but they discover some foreplay.[/QUOTE]If she is already five years in business than it is more to do with attitude rtaher than taboo. You could find any girl from any nationality, religion behaving like that. They just want an easy money without minimum effort. They best way to do is not to give them a repated business, name and shame them so other guys will avoid them as well.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2470400]If she is already five years in business than it is more to do with attitude rtaher than taboo. You could find any girl from any nationality, religion behaving like that. They just want an easy money without minimum effort. They best way to do is not to give them a repated business, name and shame them so other guys will avoid them as well.[/QUOTE]Not at all, she is a rare elegance and beauty in FKK land. With around 1300 rooms with the prettiest in any club in FKK land, I didn't see 5 girls with her aura, but after business for 5 years, she is not used to let go on DATY, she has to feel the respectful manners, and when orgasm made come earlier her period, she never had bloody sex under period, she thought it was dirty, furthermore in brothels, but with manners and a bit of knowledge about sexuality and women, exceptional even complicated, rare time with a rare girl. Not first time DATY orgasm make come earlier period, then having bloody sex at Mainhattan, twice at GT, at Globe, reality for sexuality like at home, not just suck and fuck to empty balls I don t pay for.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2470173]Both Pussy and cock do not have religion. But both are a perfect match.

Also, when mongering, you never ask someone else religion. What mater is whether both parties attract each other. Attraction is not necessarily from look but could also come from money.[/QUOTE]Actually, money is just a means to an end. So it is not really a variable in and of itself. But sort of a ladder to climb the heriarchy of needs.

But once you have already maxed this hierarchy of needs, then money looses all its value. And attraction will have nothing to do with money any longer.

Then again, there might be something hardwired into females in terms of acquiring 'gifts' in change off sex. Like a rose, or a perfume. Basically just legal forms of prostitution. Or as the term prostitution has been associated badly in society, lets call it escorting instead. Or just short form: P6.

A question for the more experienced who have attended New Year parties.

Of course with the current situation this could be a hypothetical question but I got nothing else to do but plan.

New years and New Years day, what are they like? Will there be a good line up or will it be down? Also Saturday is on the 2nd January, will this be like a normal Saturday.

If the clubs are rammed, is it a good idea to get there earlier than you usually would.

I am aware lots of girls return home around New Year but when exactly? Do they stick around for the 3 dates mentioned above.

My plan is to arrive Thursday 31st December and leave Monday 4th January.

Hoping everything will be back to normal so it will actually happen.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2470349]Swedish model is to prosecute clients, so, drunk Swedish go on sex boats between Sweden and Tallin Estonia. France also prosecute clients when prostitution is still legal with many escorts agencies advertising or girls in streets close to very chic and very expensive Paris 16th district.[/QUOTE]I wonder if those 16 German MPs that called for prostitution ban read the report from their government regarding the Swedish model. You are French right? The government of France released a report that evaluated the 2016 sex purchase law. A sex worker activist summarized it. Link in French:[URL]http://ma.lumiere.rouge.blogs.libera[/URL]. -rendu-public /.

[QUOTE=Chris1791;2471002]A question for the more experienced who have attended New Year parties.

Of course with the current situation this could be a hypothetical question but I got nothing else to do but plan.

New years and New Years day, what are they like? Will there be a good line up or will it be down? Also Saturday is on the 2nd January, will this be like a normal Saturday.

If the clubs are rammed, is it a good idea to get there earlier than you usually would.

I am aware lots of girls return home around New Year but when exactly? Do they stick around for the 3 dates mentioned above.

My plan is to arrive Thursday 31st December and leave Monday 4th January.

Hoping everything will be back to normal so it will actually happen.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I was at Samya last two New Years in a row. I checked out of my hotel and went to the club for the overnight party. Club opened at 13:00 on December 31st. The line up was getting stronger by 17:00. Lots of 7-9 girls, some new comers, some veterans, some girls from the sister club Mondial. You get a free pass to Mondial for January 1st. Samya is closed January 1st. I did 5 rooms. Of course after 22:00 the place is packed. Getting harder to get girls but not entirely impossible. 30-40 minutes waiting time for the key. I managed 5 rooms in a stretch of 8 hours, had a nice time, no regrets.

My only glitch was I parked too close to Samya inner parking lot where massive fireworks were staged for the New Year's. My car was an ugly site when I came out of the club at 5 in the morning. The ashes were all over. Black soot on a white car LOL. On my way to Frankfurt had to stop by an automated car wash at the gas station. That took care of the problem. What saved me was the cold night and the car covered by a thick layer of frost. Otherwise brand new Opel grand land x would've needed a full paint job LOL.

[QUOTE=Chris1791;2471002]A question for the more experienced who have attended New Year parties.

Of course with the current situation this could be a hypothetical question but I got nothing else to do but plan.

New years and New Years day, what are they like? Will there be a good line up or will it be down? Also Saturday is on the 2nd January, will this be like a normal Saturday.

If the clubs are rammed, is it a good idea to get there earlier than you usually would.

I am aware lots of girls return home around New Year but when exactly? Do they stick around for the 3 dates mentioned above.

My plan is to arrive Thursday 31st December and leave Monday 4th January.

Hoping everything will be back to normal so it will actually happen.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]When open, Sylvester party are usually gay party with few girls asking for more expensive, except at Globe but with entry increased to 170 but not anymore what it was for party. Party are usually to avoid if can go on other days. From Christmas to after 15 January, not best time for castings, like around Orthodox Easter and August.

Reply EL: if the things are like in the past decade, worst time to visit a club, a lot of girls are out from 15 of December to 15 of January at least, all the remaining girls are over pricing and also over fucked so 0 pleasure for me.

[QUOTE=Chris1791;2471002]A question for the more experienced who have attended New Year parties.

Of course with the current situation this could be a hypothetical question but I got nothing else to do but plan.

New years and New Years day, what are they like? Will there be a good line up or will it be down? Also Saturday is on the 2nd January, will this be like a normal Saturday.

If the clubs are rammed, is it a good idea to get there earlier than you usually would.

I am aware lots of girls return home around New Year but when exactly? Do they stick around for the 3 dates mentioned above.

My plan is to arrive Thursday 31st December and leave Monday 4th January.

Hoping everything will be back to normal so it will actually happen.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It will not be as you expect. Normal day just more noisy and maybe more girls (not necessary stunners) , more smoke and more fake happiness. If you have nothing better to do with friends and family OK but I am afraid you will be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2471171]It will not be as you expect. Normal day just more noisy and maybe more girls (not necessary stunners) , more smoke and more fake happiness. If you have nothing better to do with friends and family OK but I am afraid you will be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Happiness is usually in the eyes of the beholder.

So if you arrive happy and are not diluted by FKKs before, I am sure it will bring happiness to most people, LOL.

Sorry here is the correct link:[URL]http://ma.lumiere.rouge.blogs.liberation.fr/2020/06/25/le-rapport-devaluation-de-la-loi-2016-est-enfin-rendu-public/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471240]Happiness is usually in the eyes of the beholder.

So if you arrive happy and are not diluted by FKKs before, I am sure it will bring happiness to most people, LOL.[/QUOTE]I have seen many sad faces in FKK land. Both men and girls. But especially on days like Christmas and New Years eve when you are supposed to be with your beloved in a warm house, I can find it normal to see more miserable faces in dark and smokey FKK expecting to find happiness from Romanian prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2471471]I have seen many sad faces in FKK land. Both men and girls. But especially on days like Christmas and New Years eve when you are supposed to be with your beloved in a warm house, I can find it normal to see more miserable faces in dark and smokey FKK expecting to find happiness from Romanian prostitutes.[/QUOTE]'Supposed to. That is the key word. I know plenty of people not looking forward to the celebration along with their family 'in a warm house'. To those people, perhaps an FKK is a good substitute?

These are societally induced norms based on Christian culture too. And not everyone is even a Christian.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2471471]I have seen many sad faces in FKK land. Both men and girls. But especially on days like Christmas and New Years eve when you are supposed to be with your beloved in a warm house, I can find it normal to see more miserable faces in dark and smokey FKK expecting to find happiness from Romanian prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I think what Pistons meant was that happiness is point of view, meaning some guys prefer to be in FKK fucking young beauties than be with aged wife with annoying kids running around at home.

Personally, I never been to FKK for new year eve party or Christmas, but I actually would prefer to spend Christmas or new year eve in FKK than spending it in let say some ski resort or beach resort or at some friends party watching fire work or waiting till the year to change or talk some BS diplomatic friendly chat with some new friends you may meet at party. More I grow older, more I begin to know myself and there is nothing I enjoy in life than good sex with new beautiful young girls one after another.

Having said that, I just never went to FKK during Christmas or new year because I doubt there is a young beautiful girls in line up during these period at FKK? I think this is the original questioner originally wanted to ask. And you are right, there might be sad faces on the side of girls, for mongers, it may depend, if I am there and if there is young beautiful girls, I would be happy monger.

I wonder if stunner level girls stay over during that time of the year. If so, it is good time to go, I do not like new year period, most of things are closed and things are kinda slow, so spending it in FKK is not bad idea.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471533]'Supposed to. That is the key word. I know plenty of people not looking forward to the celebration along with their family 'in a warm house'. To those people, perhaps an FKK is a good substitute?

These are societally induced norms based on Christian culture too. And not everyone is even a Christian.[/QUOTE]Those who are most religious are the ones who are molesting little children, so it shows something about human nature.

At least we monger are seriously honest about who we are, I love beautiful young girls pussy and assholes, I love it LOL!

I love being hentai and like Puff Daddy said in 90's I ain't stopping because I can't stop LOL! Or pringle ad, once you pop, you can't stop LOL!

Who the hell want to watch fire works and spend new year in beach resort or ski resort, I prefer watching my penis shooting white milky sperm into young beautiful girls mouth at the very moment of new year and I call that real happy new year LOL!

I have also not yet tried a Christmas at an FKK, but I did once spend a Christmas in Thailand. And even though all the smiles in the land of smiles are fake, I certainly enjoyed it just as much as in a warm house with snow outside. Even if I did not indulge in p6 that time. I saw plenty of war veterans who did. And they certainly seemed happy even if I cannot read minds.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2471645]Those who are most religious are the ones who are molesting little children, so it shows something about human nature.

At least we monger are seriously honest about who we are, I love beautiful young girls pussy and assholes, I love it LOL!

I love being hentai and like Puff Daddy said in 90's I ain't stopping because I can't stop LOL! Or pringle ad, once you pop, you can't stop LOL!

Who the hell want to watch fire works and spend new year in beach resort or ski resort, I prefer watching my penis shooting white milky sperm into young beautiful girls mouth at the very moment of new year and I call that real happy new year LOL![/QUOTE]I much prefer to ski and not only for Christmas or new year and also to bicycle climb my most climby mountains, than brothels or escorts. All my favorites know they can t compete. Most of best girls return to family for Christmas, new year and orthodox Easter, so, second ranking girls for more expensive for Sylvester and gay party, over crowded with guys, when much less girls than usual. These 3 times are not best in FKK land.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471685]I have also not yet tried a Christmas at an FKK, but I did once spend a Christmas in Thailand. And even though all the smiles in the land of smiles are fake, I certainly enjoyed it just as much as in a warm house with snow outside. Even if I did not indulge in p6 that time. I saw plenty of war veterans who did. And they certainly seemed happy even if I cannot read minds.[/QUOTE]No worry Pistons, there is nothing wrong in putting our face between ass crack of beautiful young girls and licking her assholes, we are in the right crack and therefore, on the right path of life LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2471745]I much prefer to ski and not only for Christmas or new year and also to bicycle climb my most climby mountains, than brothels or escorts. All my favorites know they can t compete. Most of best girls return to family for Christmas, new year and orthodox Easter, so, second ranking girls for more expensive for Sylvester and gay party, over crowded with guys, when much less girls than usual. These 3 times are not best in FKK land.[/QUOTE]In right set up, it is spiritual to do so. Never done new year or Christmas brothel yet, but I may give it a try one day, but you telling me there are no good girls in those days make me stop going.

Usually, I do not like doing things in holiday season because it is full of people everywhere.

With all your climbing and skiing, you need audi quatro as you have it, or some rally cars like evo or wrx sti.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2471803]No worry Pistons, there is nothing wrong in putting our face between ass crack of beautiful young girls and licking her assholes, we are in the right crack and therefore, on the right path of life LOL![/QUOTE]

Very true, we only live once. We will never know in a few years' time, we might already be sitting on wheelchair, depending on the support of crutches. Live is too short not to enjoy.

EL: Licking the assholes of a prostitute not really my cup of tea, even for free.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2471745]I much prefer to ski and not only for Christmas or new year and also to bicycle climb my most climby mountains, than brothels or escorts. All my favorites know they can t compete. Most of best girls return to family for Christmas, new year and orthodox Easter, so, second ranking girls for more expensive for Sylvester and gay party, over crowded with guys, when much less girls than usual. These 3 times are not best in FKK land.[/QUOTE]Yeah, for the parts of the world I like to monger in Christmas, New Year's, and Easter week would be the absolute worst times to go. So for me, Christmas is the time to be with family, and New Year's is the time to be with friends. I don't do anything special for Easter usually, except wait for it to be over LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2472021]EL: Licking the assholes of a prostitute not really my cup of tea, even for free.[/QUOTE]What about licking p*s*why??

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2472021]EL: Licking the assholes of a prostitute not really my cup of tea, even for free.[/QUOTE]Nothing bad if you are preparing the asshole to put your dick inside.

As a matter of fact I think their assholes are cleaner than normal girls.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2472071]What about licking p*s*why??[/QUOTE]There is no sht in a pssy. Not exactly the same thing.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2471966]Very true, we only live once. We will never know in a few years' time, we might already be sitting on wheelchair, depending on the support of crutches. Live is too short not to enjoy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had many friends who already left this world and when I turned 30, it accelerated, so my stance toward life is to enjoy while I am here. I think many mongers are doing pretty good at that in sex department of life, which is really important part of life as a man. Never forget your teenage dream when you begin to have erection, we turned that dreams into reality LOL! We are living it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2472026]Yeah, for the parts of the world I like to monger in Christmas, New Year's, and Easter week would be the absolute worst times to go. So for me, Christmas is the time to be with family, and New Year's is the time to be with friends. I don't do anything special for Easter usually, except wait for it to be over LOL![/QUOTE]I meant in FKK land, but anyway I never spent my holidays in brothels when I can go when I want, even a bit more difficult to be free from job enough since few months. I remember on 2016 when I arrived on Thursday evening after job and returned driving home in Monday to Tuesday night, when golden times with many beauties in FKK land. Since confined, I became more demanding when I was already maybe the most demanding for look and behavior, but I discovered some good new girls, 2 wow aura when I saw only 5 with these 2 since I started, unfortunately some did' t stay because of bad business at Freubad or Amesia. I saw Globe empty on a Friday at 10 pm, Wellcum empty on a Sunday at 9 pm, when no big competition because only few clubs working. But at the moment, between problems with German cars, weather with rain in high altitude, very cold for big thermic shock in heart, job which is complicated, tough to organize my holidays climbing tour program, will probably have to cancel Summer ski again, but I will work hard to try to succeed my climbing. Brothels will be for restaurant, hotel and to recover.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2472093]As a matter of fact I think their assholes are cleaner than normal girls.[/QUOTE]This is true. Covid has pushed me back into the realm of civilian girls so I've had to endure some non-pro nether regions. Poor shave jobs and pussies that were not washed just 15 minutes prior to sex has well, left some bad taste in my mouth, literally.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2472109]There is no sht in a pssy. Not exactly the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Love that, I also love licking p*ssy, LOL.

I think those who are prepating to lick butthole have asked the girl to take a shower and clean that bit well to make sure that there is no shit left over. Similarly to what you have seen in the many porn movies.

Another way to check it is to smell that part first to ensure there is not any shit alike smell before licking it.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2472215]Love that, I also love licking p*ssy, LOL.

I think those who are prepating to lick butthole have asked the girl to take a shower and clean that bit well to make sure that there is no shit left over. Similarly to what you have seen in the many porn movies.

Another way to check it is to smell that part first to ensure there is not any shit alike smell before licking it.[/QUOTE]I have been licking and deep french kissing beautiful girls assholes around world since I was 17 years old, I never asked her to take shower before, they can if they want, but I never ask, I just taste on that corn holes de la young beautiful girls around world right away, it is my appetizer, man course and desert and so far, I never had brown thing on any of the girls ass holes or it smelt funny. I think most of prostitutes clean themselves well before they see you because they know they are going to have sex.

Only condition I have for any prostitute is that I always go first as first customer usually. This is the only thing I care.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2472109]There is no sht in a pssy. Not exactly the same thing.[/QUOTE]One is predator looking, and another one is brown colored corn holes looking, pick one and live LOL!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2472093]Nothing bad if you are preparing the asshole to put your dick inside.

As a matter of fact I think their assholes are cleaner than normal girls.[/QUOTE]Their assholes has been cleaned prior to be licked by me in FKK, that is really a good thing, but some mongers prefer to taste something and even eat some excrement. That is not my thing though. I just like to DFK assholes of young beautiful girls.

Me and assholes of young beautiful girls, it bring something out of me LOL! I consider it to be very nutritious for my soul LOL.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2472186]This is true. Covid has pushed me back into the realm of civilian girls so I've had to endure some non-pro nether regions. Poor shave jobs and pussies that were not washed just 15 minutes prior to sex has well, left some bad taste in my mouth, literally.[/QUOTE]Very true. Smelly cunts and buttholes are definitely issues when it comes to non pro girls as you put it. I use sugar babes in my home city and when on the road in the US and pussylicking tends to happen only half the time at best. It is strange but the cleanest, tastiest pussy I ever had was a 19 year old babe who was not even into licking that much; but she tasted so sweet and clean and juicy, I kept lapping her up for nearly an hour. But there were also girls who smelled like shit and the smell was overpowering especially when doing doggie; and it was such a turnoff that I quickly changed positions into mish and buried my head in her hair (which did smell great) while fucking away to finish fast. That was that with that one, sayonara baby.

A few non pro girls are so bad, they smell not so great even after we take a shower together -- which is something I insist with quite a few. I don't know what it is with them. They look like angels but cunts smell like rotten fish. Yucky. Do they not clean it ever? There was a girl who otherwise was so good for me and I kept seeing her for several meets. Even when I scrubbed her thoroughly with my soapy fingers in the pre-sex shower deep inside pussy and butt hole, not once but 4 to 5 cycles of rinse / soap deep inside / rinse / repeats, she still did not smell nice. Not enough to lick her down there anyway. Which was a crying shame because she had a really good looking pussy, clean shaven and smooth and not droopy massive lips which to me are a turnoff, and very tight. And she was compliant. She never objected once when I was scrubbing her so deep and for so long, as if she was a stained bathroom tile. The good news was that her mouth was clean and profuse DFK kissing made up for lack of pussy licking.

Doesn't covid make you lose sense of smell? That would come in handy with this girl, LOL.

I wonder if there are any guys who actually dig smelly cunts. I would not be surprised if there are a few. "ooh, that pussy was so stinky, it turned me on so much, LOL".

[QUOTE=Adindas;2472215]Love that, I also love licking p*ssy, LOL.

I think those who are prepating to lick butthole have asked the girl to take a shower and clean that bit well to make sure that there is no shit left over. Similarly to what you have seen in the many porn movies.

Another way to check it is to smell that part first to ensure there is not any shit alike smell before licking it.[/QUOTE]When some don't seem able to feel difference between porn fake moanings and real orgasms when girls don t make any noise until on the edge, because they feel what will happen and just wait for, sometimes participating rubbing on tongue or telling for their spots, because they want pleasure, but when some give you their juice or honey, some squirting in your face: mouth, nose, eyes, but violent orgasm sometimes make period arriving earlier than girl was waiting and then you play Hanibal Lecter for bloody face, girl usually screaming and apologizing when seeing your face before You understand. Got this bloody experience at least 5 times in brothels. As I explain to girls, just natural like with real girlfriend. In my country, you don't say to your beloved girlfriend she is dirty when she gets period, some get pain but some are very hot for sex under period.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2472302].............I wonder if there are any guys who actually dig smelly cunts. I would not be surprised if there are a few. "ooh, that pussy was so stinky, it turned me on so much, LOL".[/QUOTE]I never go down on a girl if there is a scent down there, not even the slightest and then before I do I apply an ample amount of wet wipes which I always have handy. BTW FKK girls have the least smelly pussies. I am very cautious before going down on Asians and Latin Americans.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2472282]I have been licking and deep french kissing beautiful girls assholes around world since I was 17 years old, I never asked her to take shower before, they can if they want, but I never ask, I just taste on that corn holes de la young beautiful girls around world right away, it is my appetizer, man course and desert and so far, I never had brown thing on any of the girls ass holes or it smelt funny. I think most of prostitutes clean themselves well before they see you because they know they are going to have sex.

Only condition I have for any prostitute is that I always go first as first customer usually. This is the only thing I care.[/QUOTE]Lucky you.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2472282]Only condition I have for any prostitute is that I always go first as first customer usually. This is the only thing I care.[/QUOTE]What do you do in FKKs? Wait at the front door and have sex when they first come in? The night group comes in by say 9 PM, what will you do after the first night girl? Will you still have sex at 1 AM, 2 AM. 4 AM? By then, every WG has fucked a dozen guys for that day.

BTW, I actually don't see that much difference in being the first fuck of the day for the girl v being 3rd or 4th. It is all in your head. FKK girls do clean themselves pretty clean, at least clean enough as far as smell and scent goes as Turgid said. If anything, some FKK girls actually do have a slight musty smell for the first fuck. When I had sex with the same girls on the following day but as the 3rd or 4th room for her, she smelled better / just fine. I wonder if she still hadn't showered from the prior night and retained the nightly smells down there that became more intense after a sleep.

But Turgid is right. It is so much easier to lick pussies in FKK. They do a good job in that regard; I had less than 5% bad experiences. I am not into ass munching but many FKK girls don't have smelly buttholes either.

Sigh. Wish we could a vaccine soon. All this talk of **** tasting is making me hungry LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2472314]I never go down on a girl if there is a scent down there, not even the slightest and then before I do I apply an ample amount of wet wipes which I always have handy. BTW FKK girls have the least smelly pussies. I am very cautious before going down on Asians and Latin Americans.[/QUOTE]

Some smeely cunts are caused by bacterias smells like rotten fish, highly related to personal hyegyne. Another reason could because they just have their periods.
Also it is not good if it is not well shaved as you might be licking urine if it is not washed well when they are pissing.
I do not think any mongers would like that smell. It is stinky and you might get infected by bacterias. But any mongers who get used to licking p*ussy will know the difference.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2472186]This is true. Covid has pushed me back into the realm of civilian girls so I've had to endure some non-pro nether regions. Poor shave jobs and pussies that were not washed just 15 minutes prior to sex has well, left some bad taste in my mouth, literally.[/QUOTE]I found at World the most perfect for body care and hygiene woman I ever met in my life, 29 yo Romanian, shaving before working when I usually don t shave to go to brothels, taking shower, putting cream on her skin to get baby skin, brushing her teeth, between rooms, she needed at least 15 mn, even she told me sometimes: After you, I can t work now, but not hurting her, having sometimes 3 rooms together on same day / night. When she returned home for 2015 Orthodox Easter, she told me when she would be back and I answered I would like to be her first like most often, but when she would not have sex for 1 month. On Saturday 26 April 2015, unfortunately I was late, only arriving at 8 pm, when she used to start around 5/6 pm, I was disappointed, I had diner in 5 minutes and went to her. Nice chat and she told me I would be her first, I didn't believe her, but I knew she always washed between rooms, and I could taste her natural taste, much tastier than soap or cream. This was a magic night with her.

With my best FKK girl, also Romanian, not 24 yet at this time, when she was perfect shaving when only few hair on pubic and legs, also perfect hygiene, and always coming to me to start her day for our first room of the day, I don t know what happened once, but when she was always so clean, she smelled very bad from ass even not dirty, so I took her gel and paper. I do like mother do to baby I told her, she smiled, no more problem, and great time once more when we had about 15 hours per month together for about 6 months when she was working.

EL: you are always telling us that you are a experienced mongers, but are you aware that 90% of the girls are still working during their period, most of the girls will not shower between customers. I know a lot of things behind the scene and I am still telling I will never lick the asshole of a prostitute.