FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

Thanks Optimist for an actual review which is already buried.

[QUOTE=Optimist; 1429813]Maybe a real report would be in order?

I went on the all-inclusive day, turning up at opening time. There is a comfortable main room, a friendly bar woman, and limited other facilities (sauna I think). Food was delivered at 13. 00 (lasagne and another dish). Free soft and hot drinks were available. There were four women there. One was good looking slim, one medium build, one tending to large, and one built like an overflowing jelly (sorry but I am just trying to make a description).

You can do six sessions for the price. I did four, including two girls at once, and was very happy with the service. I didn't go with the very large woman. I am 90% sure one of the girls came (just trying to indicate the level of service) , the other two were friendly and made a real effort.

So I got four sessions for 129 euro (if I remember right) , compared to 260 euro at a "high class" FKK. I left soon after 13. 00, although I understand that other girls turn up later.

When you choose a girl she will assume you want to use a condom. Whether you do or not is up to you[/QUOTE]

The girls of these clubs are very good. Maybe they are not model like but the level of service they offer is great. Most of them are always polite and follow the instructions of the client. I will visit this club again. Can anybody suggest any specific madams in these clubs that are offering bareback anal? I remember some girls in these clubs that they were offering anal sex and anal creampie without condom but I do not remember their names. I had a great time with them! I assume that there will still be such bareaback anal girls. I remember a blonde Romanian girl who told me that she does not like condoms in anal sex because men can cum easier and more quickly when they fuck her ass bareback. Most girls in these clubs are coming from Bulgaria and Romania. But I would also like to see some black, asian and arabic women. I hope that the girls of thiese clubs will continue to offer such a high level of service.

[QUOTE=Kommodore; 1430336]You are most welcome.

K[/QUOTE]It would be nice if you could say clearly whether your opinions on those clubs is based on second hand info, or whetehr you actually went there, even once, yourself. A bit of honesty would not harm, would'nt it?

Pl continue though to brag about this, this thread is now one of the most active FKK thread, and everyday brings in more guys reporting their positive experience there.

My fear is that those clubs wil now be too crowded soon.

[url]http://www.joyclub.de/my/fotoalbum/1994883.club_angelique.html[/url]

I'm honestly scared but tempted by AO, but if it has to happen let it be there, at least the first time (if ever). Next month I'll be around, I think I'll go there for sure, and then I'll see if adding 30 euros or not.

I'm following this debate that's been going on for a while now, taking this thread among the busiest ones. Since I'm a beginner to german mongering, I give my newbie opinion, which can humbly be taken into account since part of the debate is to warn beginners or "virgins" of Germany about quality, prices, performances, etc.

As Maxime pointed out, everybody can choose and make up their minds by themselves. We're all old enough to be able to make our choices, everybody must be free to choose what they prefer, and take responsibility for that. Personally I'm against AO, but if some girls provide it and some men want it, it's their business, not other people's business. As I said, I'm very tempted, but if I go for it and come out with a problem, I'll have to blame only myself, nobody forced me to do it, it would be stupid to complain over those who do AO and post about, it's true I'd probably never find out about openly advertised AO without reading ISG, but again I chose freely.

On the other hand, it's true that the quality of girls, without mentioning the facilities, in Artemis and of those in Caligula or treff188 can't be compared, not even by minding only their toes, and now I'm talking of places where I have been personally. I've seen the pics of some girls of AO clubs and I admit the evidence, it's true they are not at all the same quality of those of big FKKs, but I find incorrect to say that they are so ugly that only by doing AO they can work, because also in other FKKs you can find low quality girls (I've been in Haus-Panthera) , not only in AO and flatrates clubs.

About classifying threads and clubs, I think that AO should have a whole thread apart, the other one being "normal", non AO, then there could be the various divisions: FKK, brothel, flatrate, etc, so one can choose the main topic catching his interest at once and then go down the various structures of treff, GB, FKK, etc.

Also, even if, again, I agree AO is a dangerous practice and shouldn't be advertised too much (as Dreams said these clubs may get overcrowded, therefore increasing the chances of possible infections) , AO is quite hidden in the forum, an outer reader wouldn't find out without digging german threads, I don't know if it's done intentionally. I'm not good at all at using computer, but I don't even visualize partytreff section, nor by entry main page nor by "forum".

Being a Whormany beginner and a computer illiterate I fully fit the description of the subject and qualify to express my opinions.

Greetings to all debaters

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1430543]It would be nice if you could say clearly whether your opinions on those clubs is based on second hand info, or whetehr you actually went there, even once, yourself. A bit of honesty would not harm, would'nt it?

Pl continue though to brag about this, this thread is now one of the most active FKK thread, and everyday brings in more guys reporting their positive experience there.

My fear is that those clubs wil now be too crowded soon.[/QUOTE]I have been to many many many many clubs of different types and sizes the length and breath of Deutschland (and beyond) including some of those referred to in this thread. I'm sorry if I cannot share your enthusiasm for these smaller tackier establishments. I could not care less how crowded or not these clubs are as a result of these posts. I am not naive enough to actually consider that these posts make much difference. Good luck to the owners if these clubs happen to be full to the rafters with customers.

Unfortunately you have a tendancy to deride those who debate with you and to ridicule their opinions. Nor will I continue to endlessly debate this topic. There can be no consensus achieved in this manner. I suggest you continue to post what you want in this thread. As will I.

K

[QUOTE=Maxime; 1429926]Strange discussion. I happen to like snd visit most of the large FKK and saunaclubs, in NRW and Hessen, already for more than 8 years, but I also like the smaller, more intimate places. And also I visited many ero parties (NOT Partytreffs, for me most of them lack atmospehere). This is totally NOT related to the fact if a club or partry (treff) , or (some) girls there, offer AO or not. There are pure AO clubs / party (treffs) but also the ones that claim to be NO-AO, have girls that offer AO, yes, also in the large clean, and high-class clubs.

Especially this forum is mend to give and find information about a club / party (treff) and the girls working there. And every one can do with this information what he (or she?) wants:

- If you read a club is pure AO, and you want it, you can go, if you don't want it, avoid.

- If you read about smaller clubs that offer intimate and natural setting, with high-service girls, and no " high class sharks", and you want it, you can go, if you like high-class sharks, you avoid these clubs.

- If you read about larger upscale clubs, that offer many low service girls, but have great food and swimming pool, and you want it, you can go, if you like high service of the girls, you avoid.

- etc etc.

If it is clear in what category a club / party (treff) but also a specific girl fits, that is interesting information. To write in every post "Danger, watch out for all the AO girls in Villa Venus" is as useless as to write "Danger, watch out for all the sharks in Golden Time with low-service".)

Please respect each others choice and taste, and newbees are not naief: they read several messages about a club, and will get the picture. If they visit the club, theu see the picture in real life.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PacificRim;1430027]Thanks for quite a sensible response. I'm not sure why certain members have taken such a harsh position, but their descriptions of the clubs and the girls do not match my experience. I have visited both Villa Venus and FKK Dietzenbach in addition to several of the large clubs like Oase and Colosseum. I enjoy both the large and small clubs.[/QUOTE]You're welcome.)

It seems some people can only re-state their opinion, over and over, until other people agree with them. Ignore it, and make up your own opinion, about FKK, about PC, about AO, etc. There can not be too much information on a forum like this. Censoring or biased warnings are very bad for transparancy and make it harder to make a fair opinion for readers.

And now enjoy clubbing and let's hope somebody write about the mentioned clubs again.)

[QUOTE=Maxime;1431106]It seems some people can only re-state their opinion, over and over, until other people agree with them. Ignore it, and make up your own opinion, about FKK, about PC, about AO, etc. There can not be too much information on a forum like this. Censoring or biased warnings are very bad for transparancy and make it harder to make a fair opinion for readers.[/QUOTE]You know, the only people here trying to stop anyone from writing this tend to be the AO gang. They've tried to get me banned and my posts removed (and I did get slapped for calling a member here the I-word, because—as you know—it's okay to misrepresent members or threaten them, but you can't call them a name. That's baaaad.)

I never said they shouldn't post. I maintain AO doesn't belong in the FKK thread. I believe they need their own section under Germany.

I also said I disapprove of it, and while I can't tell others to do rubber-up, I think it's dangerous to promote unsafe sex here on ISG.

I maintain that if the talk of AO bleeds into the FKK forums, as it has in the Partytreff subgroup, it will become a problem.

Unfortunately I have to write this in single sentences as my arguments either get mangled or misrepresented. I am not censoring anyone. But certainly others seem quite happy to have Jackson censor me.

(EDIT: the system interprets semi-colons as full stops, so they've been converted to em-dashs.)

Guys, if you don't like thee clubs partucularly or AO in general please do not post in this thead. Please remember that we visit this forum to exchange information that will help in mongering experience. Now it is difficult to find useful info in this thread due to useless discussions.

Please ceate a thread "AO pros and cons" and discuss there.

Thank you.

Sorry for poor grammar. I am writting on my tablet sitting on Pantherras upper terrase. BTW lineup looks like disaster.

[font=tahoma][i][b]Advisory Message from some Germany FKK Senior Members to all who are new to the Germany – FKK Clubs Section of the International Sex Guide:[/b]

The women working in these clubs are very often older and less attractive than would be the norm in the larger FKK establishments. The facilities available in these clubs are also somewhat limited.

If A0 style sex (bareback sex) is what you are after; well then you are definitely in the right place but if you are looking for a more up-market FKK experience with model type women, please refer to the following club list:

[font=+1]Palace, Oase, Mainhatten, Sharks, World, Artemis, GoldenTime, Living Room, Acapulco, Samya, Parksauna Rezidenz, Magnum, Paradise, Colosseum, Villa Vertigo, Atmos and Bernds. [/font]

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To Captain Dan and all of your multiple alises,

This is the last time you will post this message.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Jymondor;1431436]Sorry for poor grammar. I am writting on my tablet sitting on Pantherras upper terrase. BTW lineup looks like disaster.[/QUOTE]Poor line up on Friday? There were (more than) 20 girls, with top ones like Diana, Andrea, Jacky, Veronica, Elena, Denisa, Sabrina, etc. Maybe they were downstairs in the "garden" while you were sitting on the terrace?.)

Hope they will make a whirlpool on the roof terrace soon!

[QUOTE=Maxime; 1431661]Poor line up on Friday? There were (more than) 20 girls, with top ones like Diana, Andrea, Jacky, Veronica, Elena, Denisa, Sabrina, etc. Maybe they were downstairs in the "garden" while you were sitting on the terrace.)

Hope they will make a whirlpool on the roof terrace soon![/QUOTE]Lineup was improved at about 8:00-8:30 PM. Actually Panthetra's layout makes difficult to see all the girls in Summer time. There are few separate places where girls hanging: upper terrace, yard (cannot call it garden) , main room, gambling machines corner, and that strange room with the beds in the middle.

[QUOTE=Jymondor;1431436]Guys, if you don't like thee clubs partucularly or AO in general please do not post in this thread.[/QUOTE]Further to that, it should be clear that any people with objections to AO, should not even be wasting their time reading this thread. I only looked in here out of curiosity as I did not know what it was about. Little reason for me to come back, as I monger in usually Frankfurt in more conventional FKKs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1431767]Further to that, it should be clear that any people with objections to AO, should not even be wasting their time reading this thread. I only looked in here out of curiosity as I did not know what it was about. Little reason for me to come back, as I monger in usually Frankfurt in more conventional FKKs.[/QUOTE]A very good stance on forum usage, and I don't want to 'argue' any point.

I just thought it might be funny to point out that these kind of clubs (RTC's) have been around a lot longer than the 'conventional FKK's' and are much more like the 'original' Bernds, than any of the grand 'quality' clubs. Interesting how norms and conventions get formed;).

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1430603][url]http://www.joyclub.de/my/fotoalbum/1994883.club_angelique.html[/url]

I'm honestly scared but tempted by AO, but if it has to happen let it be there, at least the first time (if ever). Next month I'll be around, I think I'll go there for sure, and then I'll see if adding 30 euros or not.

I'm following this debate that's been going on for a while now, taking this thread among the busiest ones. Since I'm a beginner to german mongering, I give my newbie opinion, which can humbly be taken into account since part of the debate is to warn beginners or "virgins" of Germany about quality, prices, performances, etc.

As Maxime pointed out, everybody can choose and make up their minds by themselves. We're all old enough to be able to make our choices, everybody must be free to choose what they prefer, and take responsibility for that. Personally I'm against AO, but if some girls provide it and some men want it, it's their business, not other people's business. As I said, I'm very tempted, but if I go for it and come out with a problem, I'll have to blame only myself, nobody forced me to do it, it would be stupid to complain over those who do AO and post about, it's true I'd probably never find out about openly advertised AO without reading ISG, but again I chose freely.

On the other hand, it's true that the quality of girls, without mentioning the facilities, in Artemis and of those in Caligula or treff188 can't be compared, not even by minding only their toes, and now I'm talking of places where I have been personally. I've seen the pics of some girls of AO clubs and I admit the evidence, it's true they are not at all the same quality of those of big FKKs, but I find incorrect to say that they are so ugly that only by doing AO they can work, because also in other FKKs you can find low quality girls (I've been in Haus-Panthera) , not only in AO and flatrates clubs.

About classifying threads and clubs, I think that AO should have a whole thread apart, the other one being "normal", non AO, then there could be the various divisions: FKK, brothel, flatrate, etc, so one can choose the main topic catching his interest at once and then go down the various structures of treff, GB, FKK, etc.

Also, even if, again, I agree AO is a dangerous practice and shouldn't be advertised too much (as Dreams said these clubs may get overcrowded, therefore increasing the chances of possible infections) , AO is quite hidden in the forum, an outer reader wouldn't find out without digging german threads, I don't know if it's done intentionally. I'm not good at all at using computer, but I don't even visualize partytreff section, nor by entry main page nor by "forum".

Being a Whormany beginner and a computer illiterate I fully fit the description of the subject and qualify to express my opinions.

Greetings to all debaters[/QUOTE]Great choice. Was my first time AO choice in Germany as well and had Alina. Enjoyed it so much that I ended up coming back to her every day for my whole 4 day trip to Viersen. Wasn't my first AO experience with a provider but it was first time where it is openly advertised or offered even. Had plenty of AO experience with providers however, was mostly after I become a regular or we end up having some kind of "connection".

[QUOTE=Bootie26;1431807]Great choice. Wasn't my first AO experience with a provider but it was first time where it is openly advertised or offered even.[/QUOTE]Bootie, thanks for the "encouragement", but. Guys, forgive my ignorance, where is written in their site about AO? I took it for granted reading about that on here, but I couldn't find by myself (remember I'm computer impaired)