Tallinn

Ok I know why you are wrong, I read the report!

You claimed that there were over 7000 cases of Aids, even the shoddy report does not say that, it claims that these are ESTIMATES, also there is a world of difference between carrying HIV and developing AIDS as a doctor you are of course aware of this, but perhaps forgot. Doctors have much to remember.

These figures are ESTIMATES based upon the figures that I gave you already. What they did, in very basic terms, was to extrapolate forward the figures from the previous year as though such a rate of diagnosis would occur all the time and had done so in the past. This, as far as I am concerned, fraudulent and was a part of the problem I discussed in my previous post. The DIAGNOSED infection rate is about 1 per 1000, giving a current number of diagnosed cases of 1500 or thereabouts. The rate of diagnosis has fallen now that the Aids population has been 'flushed out'

The important factor is the rate of increase, as a doctor, even you should know that and I can tell, because I have seen the graphs on the walls in the Verekesukus that the rate of new infections is indeed negligable. It basically follows the curve that would have led from about 1992 to today.

About the only part of the UNAids report that can be relied upon is the information about who is being infected becasue that is based upon the diagnosed cases directly.

Statistics can do many things, they can illuminate, or cast shade. In the murky world of Aids and Aids funding, shade is unfortunately the dominant mode. HELL, even the Estonian Government is in on the game. They get money for every case of HIV/Aids, to help with care; they are happy to receive it as it improves hospital facilities for all... (A similar situation appears to happen in most aid recieving countries, there is a lot of money and good wages in Aids!)
The game will be up very shortly in Estonia though because the rate of increase figures will be published shortly for 2002/3 and they will show what I have already told you!

I can not comment upon any other countries in this matter because I have no direct evidence, although any report employing the methodology and wording used by the UNAids writers would, I think be suspect. As you are probably aware, UNAids is an organisation pretty much discredited anyway.

Are you SURE you are a Doctor?
I for one would be concerned to see such a confusion on the part of any medical practitioner dealing with me! ;)

As you said and I will reuse...
sic 'Please dont send wrong information to people'.

I will not discuss with you anymore. I noticed that even reading the reports of well known and most respecteble organisations in the world couldent help you understand the situation in there or you dont want to undrestand. You understand everything wrong. Sorry to say but you probably read it but you couldent get in much of the information in there. I let people read it and i think most of people are smarter than you and will undrestand it. Actually its not so hard to undrestand if you [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. But you didnt understand it. We stop talking about AIDS in Estonia.

Anyway I did my point and smart people will read those websites in my previous reports and will see whats going on there, and fortunetly they dont need you to explain for them whats wroten there. Just keep writing about things you are good at and dont involve in things you dont know about.

And beside stop joking about these organisations who try helping people and dont even call it for AIDS industri. Its a very reality and without any profits for people working in this field. There is no AIDS industri. Its a AIDS tragedy going on and its growing fast in eastern and specially in baltic countries. You try saying the roports noone knows about. You saying new reports will show that the epidemi in there has slow down. I never before read it and its a joke you are saying. I dont know where you get these wrong information from ,but nobody even talk about slow down. Nothing indicates untill now that new coming reports in future will show slow down or not fast increasing compare with 2001(7000 HIVs between 15-49 years old, prevalence 1%).

You are saying coming reports will show slow down and the fast increasing number has stopped! Why you believe that when all experts say differently and its real big problem with fast increasing numbers of HIVs in baltic and specially in Estonia. you have no proof or scientific fact sheet but just talking. Stop it and let people find out by themselves.

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[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex [red]in Tallin[/red].

If you want to discuss Safe Sex, then please contrinue your conversation in the Safe Sex section of the Forum.

Let's get back to the subject of finding Women for Sex [red]in Tallin[/red].

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue]

Hey you guys,

I DON'T WANNA SEE YOU GUYS ARGUE HERE, please go ahead and do it somewhere else. I hope everyone understands we are on this section to talk about fucking!

Jackson asks =


[quote][i] I'd like to hear from some of this section's regular posters. Is this guy [ Milky Boy ] legitimate or full of crap? [/i][/quote]

Compare MB's description of the Action in Eastern Europe with those written by World Traveler =

WT makes East Europe sound like a Caucasian LOS; while MB apparently only meets amateur women who try to con him into getting them out of there

As for the HIV stuff =

East Europe is experiencing an Explosion in new cases of HIV Infection
[ [URL]http://www.avert.org/aroundworld.htm[/URL]]

But because the pandemic is in very early stages there, currently the Prevelance Rate is not significantly different from North America's = [URL] http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm [/URL]

You can just read the article is thos sites you are refering to:)

Is it crap? read the articles you refer to:) and you have the answer for your question! You should read it first before posting it body:)

Read even the articles I did posted before.

In one page about Baltics in the site you posted it says:

HIV spread continues at an alarming pace in the Baltic States. At 2,300 in 2002, the total number of HIV diagnoses in Latvia has risen five-fold since 1999. Just four years ago, Estonia reported 12 new HIV cases: in 2002, 899 people were newly diagnosed with the virus.

So is it something else I said in my post before?

[blue]Milky Boy,

Please re-post this in the Safe Sex section of the Forum where it can be read by those Forum Members who are specifically looking for this information.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Hi Tallin forum,
I have just spent my first night in the city (Hotel Sokos Viru) quite a good hotel with an almost respectable breakfast better than other Scandinavian offerings. I booked a return trip Helsinki-Tallin-Helsinki 1 nights hotel including breakfast for 100 Euro with Lindaline quite a good package the advertised price is 72 Euro but this is without the single supplement.

Anyway here’s how it went, first stop tried the famous Pronski 7/11 but no answer so tried to find Robinson’s the time was about 20:00hrs so it was too early for Amigos or Bonnie and Clyde no success in the search as I was on foot and the hotel map I had didn’t give much detail. Still a little cold this time of year so I decided to take a taxi BIG MISTAKE! I know we have all done it before and vow not to get caught again but I allowed him to talk me into a place he recommended, he took me to a nightclub at Teasje 29a basically a converted bungalow in the suburbs, the alarm bells were already ringing Rip off approaching but I am easily led and had popped some vitamin V.

When we arrived he insisted on coming in with me (obviously for cut) I paid him before we got out of the cab 100ekk which was high for the distance. I was the only punter in the place and was charged 50ekk for hanging my coat, sat down had a beer 60ekk, after about 2 mins a girl danced around the pole for 1 record then came and sat on my knee asking for a tip she was disappointed with the 100 I gave her which I thought was too much as she was poor. By this time I should have walked and left my taxi driver who was still waiting but the vitamin V was kicking in and there was 1 girl who had an encouraging smile the charge was 1200ekk for 1 hour not cheap but not too expensive.

The service in the room was terrible she stripped off quickly and launched into a cbj without any conversation totally mechanical and cold. I managed about 20mins before I forced myself to unload I had to ask for a shower and a towel which seemed to surprise, got dressed and decided to leave. My taxi driver was still waiting and insisted on taking me back to town even though I wanted to walk when I got in the cab the meter was still running from when I got out but I hadn’t asked him to wait, it was up to 266ekk I had paid 100 already any way when he dropped me off he pointed to the meter which was on 380 but no way was I going to pay so I gave 100 and got out.

In conclusion I had read the previous reports stating prices were on the up and it wasn’t the place it used to be but what really wound me up everybody was taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] even in the hotel Amigos bar which was quiet only 1 oldie there, when I went to hang my coat up the cloakroom guy said I had to tip him he said 100 was normal, fuck off, I took my coat up to my room. Maybe I have been very unlucky on my first visit and got caught with all the rip off merchants but I doubt it, I am well travelled and have mongered in South America many times where you need eyes in your arse. I cannot recommend Tallin as a place good for women yes the are some good lookers but that is normal any big city I suspect also with them entering the Euro and the close proximity to Finland prices will align themselves with Scandinavia as opposed to other European destinations.

May the force be with you.

Guys, this a post i just made in the Kiev section as i planing a six weeks August/September trip on what appears to be the best spots of EE, Tallin included. Thanks in advance for any answer :

I'd like to jump in with a few questions, beside the infos about pros spots which have been well reported ; excuse me for it, and thanks in advance for any answer ;

What are the current best cafes, happy-hours, outdoors terraces, bars, discos to meet regulars girls ?

Is there a kind of after-hour disco where both regulars, semi pros and pros come to late-party ?

Is there a kind of Country Club with swimming pool for sunlounging or some city beaches (with girlies to meet should be better !)

Could it be easy and at what price to reach by direct flight (on some good companies) Kiev from Tallin or Riga?

Once more, sorry to jump in the thread with questions, but Tallin will be totally new for me and i need some advices from the WSG fraternity ...

Cheers

www.inyourpocket.com

There is a 24 hour bar, the avenue, that gets busy after the clubs close.

Pirita beach, about 1km from the old town, Tallinn has a bar, gym, nightclub complex in the middle. Was built for the 1980 olympic rowing and sailing.

Airbaltic is a web based low cost airline that flys riga-kiev. Estonian air also fly Tallinn-Kiev but you have to book two weeks in advance to get the cheap seats unlike airbaltic.
Read the thread from the beginning all the info is here.

Goldfinger, thanks for this clear info.

Cheers

The brothels at Pronski 7 - 11 and at Pärnu Mnt. 48 - 25 have both closed down. Nice chap living and remodeling in the apartment at Pronski 7 -11 -- but don't think that anyone will go by to say hello to him ;)

jyates - do you know where they have moved to? or any other apartment recommendations?

tiger.

LukeSW
Sorry to hear your bad experiences in Tallinn.

The cabbie got 500eek of the 1200 you paid.

I have never been hustled for tips at the Viru hotel, I DO sometimes give the guys a tip, as I do at the bar, it saves time and energy all round, but never 100! As to Robinson, I never really have goten the hang of the place. It seems almost like a holding area for the girls in taxis. For sure, as a foreigner (non Russian) and probably relatively old, one stands out like a sore thumb.

If you want a girl then go downstairs and chat to the guy on the garde-robe, he will sort you out, in fact will probably suggest it. It is worth popping him a couple of Euro, if you are renting from there. The gils that Robinson's management round up are NOT the same as you will see in the main bar on the ground floor.

BTW wages are going up at about 10% per year and inflation is about 3%. Yes, your quick shag is going to cost more, although in all honesty, 1200eek is only about 200 more than it was five years ago.

One last thought, I would never bother with the apartments... cheap expereinces for folk who want their sex to be impersonal; and with ugly girls. The houses usually have the best that is on offer. The quality tends to improve in the summer.

Thanks for your concern Dusty, you probably like me are a well seasoned traveller, I accept the fact I was probably unlucky and didn't hit the right spots.

However I am making some parallels I have just spent a couple of days in the Bilbao region and visited a night club there Libertys near Vitoria, I had a Colombian girl 26 years old she was a stunner her arse was typical Colombian and excellent service was provided the cost 50 euro for 45 mins.

Details will be on the Spanish board soon.


May the force be with you.

BTW, just to note.

When you go to one of the brothels in the suburbs, you are paying 'furriner' prices.

If you take a girl from a nightclub, then more like €100-150 for the night. Perhaps less.

If you take a girl from Robinson, then you are buying into the taxi system and that will cost about €24 per hour, although at Robinson, you will also pay €24 for the sauna. Try to get the taxi drivers number, or the girls, cost will then drop to perhaps half the figure if the girl is called, or at least, if taxi is called, the 'sauna fee' is avoided.

For the most attractive professionals in Estonia, there should be NO need to pay more than €200 for the night. (Although you might, if like most guys who rent these girls...) BTW, it does not matter how much you pay... they will still think you were mad to pay at all!

BTW, you went to the right spots. I assume that for some reason or other you were wearing a target that said 'I have too much money'. I don't know what that target was, but losing it will save lots of money!