In Person Meetings with Saudi Girls (and girls in Saudi)
i'm not this vain. but. whatever. someone requested this info so here goes. i'll be vague for obvious reasons.
these are only the girls that i have actually met in person. there are many, many more that i have known but only online or over the phone.
girl 1: american. "black. " muslim. i met her on facebook. here with her mother. her mother knows that she goes out all the time and doesn't mind. we met four times, i think. one time we met in a mall parking lot. she stayed in the taxi cab and called me to tell me to get in. we went to eat at an asian restaurant. the next time we met and then went downtown to stroll around the king abdulaziz museum and eat falafel. after that she tried coming over to my hotel room once, but one of the bengali hotel staff followed us upstairs and was staring at us, which made her very uncomfortable, so she left. the next time i told her to sneak in through the garage and successfully got her in my room. we watched a movie. it got "sexual, " but we didn't have sex. made her feel awkward and i didn't see her after that.
girl 2: was walking through the mall when i saw a couple girls, one with unveiled face and one with a veil and a baby carriage. saudi. the unveiled one was smiling very broadly at me. my friend and i went and sat down near them at the coffee place they were at. when we did this, the staff rushed out and told the women they had to leave. we got up and followed them into a store. after shadowing them for a while, the unveiled girl finally said "okay. give me number. " i did.
that night at 4 am she called me and started masturbating on the phone. her english was awful. she was trying to talk dirty but didn't even know the word for penis. "what name for man part ungh ungh ungh? " she asked me inbetween moans.
we tried to set up a meeting but it was extremely difficult given her poor english and my non-existent arabic. i think she may have been married and looking to cheat but it's really kind of hard to say- her english was that bad.
once i told her to meet me at the mall at 4:30 and she thought i meant immediately. so she went there while i was still at work.
when we finally managed to coordinate a time to be at the mall together, the plan was that we would meet there and then walk together back to my house. but instead, she showed up and acted like she didn't know me. i followed her around and she was not answering her phone. infuriating. but some saudis tell me that this is their equivalent of a date.
this happened two more times. made plans to meet her. met up at the mall. she acted like she didn't know me. and she was still calling me up in the middle of the night and masturbating all the time.
i couldn't take all the shenanigans so finally told her to stop. she did.
girl 3: a saudi girl in a full hijab and niqab (veiled). still looked cute. i could tell she was smiling at me when i saw her at the used furniture store. my friend asked as she walked past "what's your name? " she turned around, a little shocked, and told us. friend and i followed at a safe distance for a while. when she was sitting by herself my friend engaged the shop owner in some bargaining over the price of a mattress and i walked past the girl. she put out her hand and i slipped my phone number into her palm and walked away. she called later but her english was atrocious. i got her msn id, and talked to her there. she told me she wanted me to fuck her and pop her cherry. but it never actually happened.
girl 4: a saudi girl at the mall. in a veil, not sure what she looked like, but again i could tell she was smiling at me. she was sitting with her young brother. i got fairly close and checked my bluetooth. there was one in english that's id was "hello, its me. " i sent my photo with my phone number to her and walked away. she called me.
didn't hear from her after that until several months later. but then she spent most of her energy trying to convert me and tell me about islam. we never went on a proper date.
girl 5: a saudi girl that messaged me on facebook in response to something i had posted. from a well-known family. her family is. moderate. probably more liberal than most. they let her work and go out but don't know she is meeting western men. she was not a virgin and neither was her sister. we talked online for a while and agreed to meet at a restaurant.
i got to the restaurant first and told them i was meeting my wife there. i went up to the family section and waited for the girl to arrive. we ate dinner, then after dinner she took me to a mall for coffees and to meet her two younger sisters.
i was seeing this girl for a while. we would go out for dinner or lunch and nobody ever bothered us, except actually for the first night we had coffees when some random old woman started asking the girls in arabic who this man was that they were with and they told her to mind her own business. sometimes the girl and her sister and me and my roommate would all go out together to the mall and walk around together. they were unveiled and there was no issue.
she and her sister came over to my house several times. we got naked a few times. engaged in cunnulingus. almost had intercourse, but she stopped me and told me she felt like she was cheating. turns out she was hung up on some other guy she had never told me about.
anyway we stopped seeing each other over that and she decided to try and make things work out with this other guy.
before that, though. we were talking about being a couple. she did want me to come over to her house and meet her whole family. but i never actually did that. we were never officially a couple. she asked me to marry her at one point, more so that she could be emancipated from her family than anything else, but we decided against this. she tells me her family would have approved as long as i converted to islam but i don't know, i never met them aside from the sisters.
girls 6 and 7: girl 5's two younger sisters. i know i probably could have hooked up with girl 6. but my roommate was interested and i stepped out of the way. now she is in the usa with him. girl 7 was way **** so let's not go there.
girl 8: an absolutely gorgeous saudi girl i met online. we met up for sort of a double-date (i brought along my roommate and she brought along her chubby friend) at a starbuck's. sat together in the family section. neither of them were veiled, inside or outside. we went to eat at a buffet. then we went together to go bowling. lots of young saudi guys were staring at us very intently. some smiling wry smiles. some just open-mouthed stares. probably dangerous to go there.
after she said that she had a good time and wanted to see me again. but we never actually did. i asked why, and if it had anything to do with the fact that i was being a little forward (i was holding her hand in the car, put my hands on her shoulders when we were outside and it was cold). she said maybe. i don't know what the real story was.
girl 9: young filipina girl i met online. she invited me to some event at the filipino embassy.
girls 10 and 11: friends of girl 9. i think i had a real shot with 10 except she moved back to the philippines. she seemed to like me a lot.
girls 12, 13, 14: filipina nurses i met at the embassy. all three were interested in me. but they were having trouble getting out of their accommodation, and none of them were really that cute. i never saw any of them again even though one is still trying to be my girlfriend.
girl 15: african. muslim. her family has been thoroughly saudi-ized, though, and has lived here for a generation. i met her at an event at the us embassy. she is the one that invited me to the one compound party i went to. we were seeing each other periodically, but not commonly. we've tried having sex several times but the best we did was oral. she's still a virgin and afraid of both the pain of first coitus and also afraid her father will actually murder her if he finds out. the last time we tried to have sex she came over with her young brother who stayed outside and watched movies on my tv. we have met up at the mall before, along with her brother and cousin, but got comments from some who saw a "white" guy sitting with some "black" girls to be suspicious. we've also gone walking outside but she always walks behind me, afraid that people will know we're not related and be suspicious. her mother knows all about me and is approving of the relationship. her father doesn't know anything. he's trying to arrange marriages for her with african guys but she doesn't want this.
girl 16: filipina nurse i met online. we met in a mall parking lot and went straight to my house. we watched a movie then got naked together but mostly just humped. i didn't see her again after that. she moved back to the philippines eventually. she says she'll have sex with me if i go to visit her there.
girl 17: super hot filipina flight attendant i met online. we were officially a couple but we lived in different cities. i went to see her a few times and slept in her room at the radisson sas. first 2 times there was no problem but the 3rd time some of the hotel staff complained to her employer and i had to stop coming out. lots of good sex, and we walked around the malls in jeddah openly without incident or problem. we also ate together in the family sections of restaurants there.
girl 18: even hotter filipina nurse. met her online. she worked at a much bigger more liberal hospital than the other nurses i met at the embassy. it was no problem for me to go and pick her up from her on-campus housing at the hospital. i took a taxi there, told security i came to visit her, i was let in, she walked out and got in the taxi and we went straight back to my house where we watched half a movie and had sex. just a one night stand.
girls 19 and 20: african-saudi sisters. both model-gorgeous. muslim. they met me at a restaurant and we ate lunch together. one of them wants to marry me. she told her family and they're okay with it as long as i pay a big dowry. don't think that's going to work out though.
those are all the ones that i've met in person here, unless i forgot one.
on top of that there are tons that i have only met online and never in person. some of them are quite beautiful. some are quite young. most of them tell me that they're in love with me by the third conversation and ask me to marry them. but really it's hard to take them seriously when we've never actually met. i know that's how things are done here but from my perspective that's crazy.
almost none of these girls ever told their families about me unless otherwise mentioned. sometimes they bring along sisters or brothers or cousins because it's easier for them to get out of the house if they are going with family members. the brothers/sisters know what's going on usually, even if they are very young.
hope you appreciate all this, took me a while to remember and type it all up.
Yes you can get booze in Saudi.
[QUOTE=Tomwannabe; 1032323]Theystolemyname, I wrote a general message on how to get laid in Saudi. This is based on my observation, experience and what I've been told first hand over the past year I am now based here (Eastern province) and no, it's not hearsay or rumours and perhaps you are more careful before applying the you're-talking-out-of-your-ass broad brush. So, I shall furnish the finer details of living in Saudi. How likely one gets laid here depends on where you are posted and to what kind of social circles you have access to. You also got to be lucky. From what you wrote you were rather lucky. So, here we go then. It's going to be a novel but describing the more intricate details of living in Saudi isn't a 4 line poem I am afraid.
Getting booze: nice to hear one can get alcohol from cosmetics, mouth wash, disinfectant, etc. But if you read my post carefully I was referring to FOOD containing alcohol. And that's not possible. I bought, for example, Tiramisu cake and there was no alcohol in there. Yes, booze is made in the western compounds, mostly wine (the South Africans are quite good at it) and also add distilled booze to none alcoholic beer (not sure whether or not they distill this from mouth wash. Hope they don't). The result is a terrible tasting brew I only tried twice. (Judging by what faces Saudi newbies pull when they'll come to their first expat party my judgement isn't that far off the truth then.)
The finer details on booze: It is smuggled into saudi by members of the higher echelon of saudi society, I. E. Those who will be almost untouchable even by the religious police such as police chiefs, princes and the like. Those who get caught smuggling booze and even drugs are the underlings of such operations. Needless to say those poor sods will get punished. You can get real Jack Daniels for example inside the Aramco campus when I was there as well as through embassies' partis I guess because such places are not the ordinary Saudi environment but somewhat exclusive with limited or no access of the religious police.
Thank you for agreeing that it is rare to see Saudi wifes / daughters at Saudi houses. Again, you were lucky. I've been to several functions and been invited to Saudi houses but the usual custom is that you will never see older daughters nor wifes because you'll be welcomed and taken care of in a separate guest room and away from the rest of the family. You working at a university changes the situation slightly. Some finer details on this: yes, hospitals and airlines will have unveiled Saudi women. As for hospitals it depends. I've been to a hospital where they were unveiled and to a smaller clinic where only none-Saudis were unveiled.
Don't compare your university experience with the rest of Saudi. Separate buildings you wrote but INSIDE THE SAME CAMPUS. Well that's indeed a vital detail changing the game plan considerably. Again, count yourself lucky you were in such a comfortable position. The finer details: A while ago I went to an open air show in a private club in Khobar, a huge campus with private beach, sports hall, several swimming pools, squash, tennis etc. Member fees are steep which means only the well heeled Saudi families go there (I. E. More liberal) and only families may join this club or, as an exception to that rule, you may get entry if there is an event you have tickets for even if you are single. I had. This club, again, operates a little bit outside the Saudi norm, I. E. Most women were unveiled during that event and it happened to be a popular event, I. E. I witnessed the congregation of about 200 unveiled Saudi girls (!) (some very pretty) and even spoke to some in the restaurant inside the campus once the event was over. Also, it makes a different whether or not you are a muslim or none muslim expat and whether or not you speak arabic. The effect of the former I am not sure about, the latter certainly helps.
Point 2. On meeting girls in public: shopping malls are possible. Yes, I also noticed the glances from Saudi girls, mostly veiled. Maybe I should follow through one day but this is risky. And yes, meanwhile, in Khobar, even though it is rare but I've seen unveiled Saudi girls. However, I also noticed that sometimes they quickly put their veils back on once they notice your glances. Why is talking to Saudi girls risky in public, the finer details: the religious police has the right to interfere. You, as a white expat might just get a tongue lashing and that will be it but it can be worse for the girl. Just because it never happened to who you know does not mean it never will.
Point 3. Western compounds, the finer details: Yes, I agree that the expat parties are fairly stable groups and newbies will take their time to get in. This makes it somewhat boring because you'll meet the same folks and their usually small kids over and over again. As far as I've been to such parties I have to say I'd rather have fun in Bahrain than trying to 'get fresh' with one of those bored (frustrated) middle aged western gals nor with any of the, and I quote,"skanky Europeans". As for "skanky" it applies equally to their American, Australian or South African 'brethren' by the way. So, after I went to a few of these parties I got the drift eventually and rather don't go. Indeed, Saudis are kept out as far as possible to not attract the wrong kind of attention. Well, this fact alone should be telling enough what Saudi is like outside the "green zones" such as western compounds, diplomatic areas / embassies or exclusive private clubs.
How good (or bad) the compound party life is also depends on the city. I've been told first hand that there is a party every day if you want to once you established the right connetions in Riaydh. That's also because all the embassies are there which also host parties or dinners and their staff, naturally, are a bit above the law. The most open place. As far as one can say open in Saudi. Seems to be Jeddah from what I've been told. Expats who were posted there told me only good things about Jeddah.
Point 4: thanks for agreeing that going the bluetooth way is long winded and frustrating. That tip with the picture is a good one. I might try this one day for the heck of it to see what happens.
Internet: I've heard of proxies, yes. Just didn't yet bother fiddling about with it. Well, I now did and it worked.
Meeting girls online: which chat or dating site did you use that is good? Free or pay site? I tried once a dating site, arabs2arabs dot com, but soon found out this to be a scam (still get emails from that site saying "a female member is interested in my profile". Yeah, right.) only trying to extort money.
Diplomatic Quarter: good for those living in Riyadh. I don't. And as I said before embassies are a "green zone" not to be compared with ordinary Saudi life, culture and traditions.
Sharing general experience and advice when living in Saudi: there are several groups such as Yahoo, e. G. Expatsinsaudiarabia. Google it to find them and subscribe if you like, well, for general info not for mongering of course. One story from Riyadh from that group about two months ago: a saudi girl from a liberal saudi family used to visit western compounds and go to their parties. Eventually she got snitched and the muttawa collected here once she left a compound. Apparently her luck was their parents to have the necessary connections (wasta) so that nothing happened to her. Again, she was lucky. Another story from there that was confirmed by an email distribution from my embassy: two british women had been pelted with stones by Saudi teenagers outside a shopping mall in the fancy Olaya district. The security guards did NOT step in. Sure, mugging and all that happens everywhere, in particular in large cities, be it London, New York etc. I just wanted to mention this incident not as a scare but to set things in the right perspective.
Hotels: expensive 5 star hotels seem to be a bit of green zone as well. I've seen unveiled saudi girls there too when I attended a business meeting that happened to take place in a 5 star hotel. As for that Sri Lankan girl provided by a friendly waiter, well done. Since I live here I usually don't check into hotels. I am also not sure whether it was just luck to get that sort of 'service' in the hotel you stayed or whether this is possible in 5 star hotels in general across Saudi; if you can befriend a resourceful waiter while staying there that is.
Oh, by the way, I read "The girls of Riyadh" which is indeed a very interesting read. But, again, don't compare the higher echelons of society, called the 'velvet class' in this book with the rest of Saudi. If you are lucky enough to get introduced to the velvet class your life WILL indeed be different here.
White or not: you'll be left alone usually if you are white, better still white american because of the political / diplomatic issues any incarceration of US citizen could cause the Saudi government is reluctant to deal with just because some dickhead was stupid enough to get caught trying to smuggle in booze / porn / whatever. You'll be less likely searched at airports in the Middle East. Take note of 'less likely'. Yes, usually the customs dudes can't be asked but if you're unlucky and they are in a bad mood they might take your luggage apart. You wouldn't be the first one ending up in custody for a day or so until your sponsor using its 'wasta' got you out. Being searched hasn't happen to me yet, so, as previous posters said you may take your porn / booze / pork chops etc. Into the country at your risk. Chances are you'll get away with it. In fact many times over. But if you don't who'd been warned.
The finer details of using proxies: search the web for "free proxy" and patiently click through the search results. You will find most proxy sites / proxy server download sites blocked but not all. I don't post any links here because Saudi's web filters are being updated, so, a proxy you used before might not work eventually. Just move on to the next.
Finally the best bit: You wrote "I've met unveiled Saudis and gone out on dates with them and their unveiled friends and met all of their unveiled sisters. In public." Wohoo! Can you please be more specific how you met them, what their families are like, whether or not their parents knew about it (I guess so considering their friends and sisters knew) , how far it went (I. E. Going out and talking or staying over at your apartment, perhaps even overnight and including sex, possibly with their parent's knowlegde?) , and when you went out in "public" where you actually went that you call 'public'? I guess you also went to their house? If so, what sort of area was that house in? I guess a rich area where the neighbours don't care so much who that family's daughters are seen with? That's not normal for Saudi families because they'll do anything to protect their and their daughters reputation if they ever wanted them to get married off to DECENT. Read well to do. Guys with a respected background (Saudi society is very tribal. A Saudi surname often is an indication what tribe you're from and how powerful that tribe is). In other words, the finer details would be significant to know, yes?
But hey, if I'd ever be in Riyadh we could meet up and you show me since 'talk is cheap' they say not without reason: you and your unveiled Saudi girlfriend, their sister (s) and me strutting about in broad daylight holding hands in the middle of a busy but ordinary shopping street, I. E. NOT in any of the "green zones"; wouldn't that be a sight, eh? [/QUOTE]I spent 18 months in Dharan, and never had a problem getting something hardcore to drink, except near the end of my stay things got a little dry. On one of the British compounds, there were atleast 12 thriving nightclubs set up in what had once been Lockheeds prefab housing. A group of enterprising gentlemen even paid to have their four homes connected. And created an Egyptian themed club, complete with light tunnel at the entrance, two bars, and a sunken dance floor. Local made brew was easy to get, both light, and dark, and if you didn't like that, there was always the 500 proof hard stuff (atleast it seemed that way, since my lunges kept trying to shrivel up with each sip) I believe it was called "El Cid". Things went swimmingly while I was there, until one of the local brewer forget to turn on the fan to vent the room he was brewing in, and his roommate came home turned on the the light, and boom. Saudis weren't normally allowed in the expat compounds, and the Prince who owned and leased it turned a blind eye since, because no one else would see what was going on, well since there was 5-alarm fire going on (with casualties) they had to let the Saudi fire department in, who more than an eye full of all that was going on, kind'a hard to overlook a neon sign when it's right in your face. And I do mena neon, all the clubs had them. The roommate I believe was killed, and the brewer had to a permanent vacation in the UK. Accordingly the Prince told everyone they had to chill out for a while, which turned out to be about two weeks, and then things hadn't gotten back to normal quite yet, but the clubs were rocking again, and boom, another dummy forget to vent, his wife get's burned over 80% of her body, and that was the end of it, the Prince said no more. Daharan was dry city for a long while after that.
Word of advice, if your having a party don't invite the Filipinas as a group, normally they only get about 2-3 hours out of their housing on certain nites, they rush in late, eat and chat for two thirds of the time, spend the rest in non-stop dancing, and rush back out the same way they came in. It will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off if you trying to get with one, but it is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Get to come out by themselves, and your golden.
I much prefer the Brit nurses, at least they speak my language (not correctly.. I'm American, but at least they speak it, and we can at least have an intelligent conversation when all the moaning and groaning is done. I met one who reminded me a lot of Princess Di, or maybe it just that she had the same hair styling, and was blond. She stalked me for like two months, or at least she never seemed to be very far behind me as I bar hopped my way around the compound, she asked me to dance one night, we hit it off, and made plans to meet the next Wednesday night at the same club, but it was a couple of days later that shit for brains blew up the first house, so I never saw her again.
