Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2631708]ML, I think you need to understand what SA is fighting and what American law is. Prostitution is the exchange of anything of value for sex or the expectation of sex. The goal then should be to offer up money but not directly doing so and try to morph your exchange into something that a potential boyfriend may do with a potential girlfriend. Also, do not offer to fly a woman or pay for travel on the first meet as that could be seen as trafficking.e.[/QUOTE]Elvis and others: there is a person (I have met her) who uses SA to find SD for selling them dates, taking them along with the girls either she has ino on or girl in your personal SA account. She will send you "Manager Documents" Real name is Hosnellys Stukerman from Venezueals [EMAIL]nelly5496@gmail.com[/EMAIL].

Elvis and others: there is a person (I have met her) who uses SA to find SD's for selling them on dates, taking them along with the girls either she has info on file or get them from girls in your personal SA account. She asks for your SA account and and password She will send you "Manager Documents" for this info and much more. Real name is Hosnellys Stukerman from Venezuela [EMAIL]nelly5496@gmail.com[/EMAIL] I have her phone (maybe still active) she claims to be an attorney. She has more than one SA account. Currently it's Tmanager she is very good looking and believable. My friend says she is a good kisser. LOL Well she does charge $15/ hour to impersonate you and make dates for you from your SA contacts. Then she will call them herself and pimp them out later on. In some ways all this is ok in Colombia but not calling and destroying my credibility with the many girls I had spent a time talking to before my trip to Medellin. Her advice included things like, "say you will take them on a trip and pay them $600/ day" she also tried to get "investors" for a business doing this. Or other busine to open a tour company. All BS LOL and asked another ISG member for $. In Colombia half the cab drivers are pimps or tour guides so it's not that uncommon or even a big deal when you know what you are getting. . but they don't know how to access SA for girls numbers and leads. Anyone wants her photo or her "contract forms" let me know. This all happened in July & August. A lot more details, like what I gave her (scmed from me) etc. I just found a new account of here so I am posting. Just beware.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2642074]Agree. More of the women are not even in the same local. And those in the same local only want to sell pictures, have an online arrangement, or get paid before meeting them- they want to know the man is sincere, their time is worth a lot more than yours, and on and on and on. Last time I subscribed for a month I met one scammer only.[/QUOTE]SA has the marked cornered, so they can do what they want, unfortunately. As far as scams there is a lot in America, but no where as many in Mexico. I usually get a couple of girls from Colombia or Russian writing daily. It is fairly easy to spot now. Instant block for the Colombian Chicas.

I am having the best time of my life thanks to SA, I am heading back to CDMX late Christmas night. I have been there 3 of the last 4 weekends. I am averaging 2-3 sessions daily. I have accomplished this in a short period of time. I am still figuring out the city. I will make CDMX my second home. I will bust ass working in America for 10-12 days, then the 4-5 days in M. City, I can work remotely a few days. The best of both worlds.

Plus I will be flying out of MTY, much cheaper, no covid requirement and I can spend one night with the model. So good.

Dedicated to Elvis, the man in love. I am happy for you unlike some of the other guys. I did invite the model to move to CDMX. I told her I would take care of the apartment and other expenses, plus she would get an allowance, but she had to work. We have been together for over 1.5 years, I do love her and she love me, but we can not cross the finish line. She does have major family issues, very controlling parents. We will see what happens.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2637751]I am glad you are having a great time. Thing is that the average income in Mexico City is the same as a lot of the USA. What that means is not only are there a lot of hot and worldly women, they are often in high demand because there are so many men with money.

Of the four tens I met in CDMX, I followed them on Instagram. Three of the four moved sideways after meeting me (and that is not typical with the SBs I have had), and one hit the absolute jackpot.

My point is that you have to lock them down much more quickly in CDMX than other Mexican cities or in Colombia. I do not think there is a woman I met in MTY or Colombia I could not call up and see again, but I think I would be given the cold shoulder if I approached any of these four. They are taken.[/QUOTE]In this country women are more educated and marrying late in life is a possibility. No so in CDMX. Youth and beauty are a perishable commodity. Plus they are in competition with other women. Both the men and women know this. Thus, there is tremendous pressure to marry up early. A young woman is always hunting in those countries. What is true everywhere is dating is fun while marriage means work.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2642350]Dedicated to Elvis, the man in love. I am happy for you unlike some of the other guys. I did invite the model to move to CDMX. I told her I would take care of the apartment and other expenses, plus she would get an allowance, but she had to work. We have been together for over 1.5 years, I do love her and she love me, but we can not cross the finish line. She does have major family issues, very controlling parents. We will see what happens.[/QUOTE]DF, we set up the apartment in Cartagena to my and her liking. I can tell she is happy to be back there as it is her original home and free from the cold of Bogota.

It is funny what is lacking in Colombia, sheets with Egyptian cotton for one, so I bought some and brought them down. I found a synthetic couch to make up for the lack of leather ones there. It is nice. I found a device so I can watch sports and my shows when I am there. I do not know why anyone has cable with this available: [URL]https://www.walmart.com/ip/Octastream-Q1-Pro-Plus-FREE-KEYBOARD-REMOTE-INCLUDED/564178196[/URL] I even found a way to make real salsa. Colombian hot sauce is like ketchup.

Last trip was first time I got to know her daughter. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] It would not surprise me if she ends up 5 feet 10 like her mother. We are going to be fending off the men like crazy. When asked to do something, I think she said no more often than my son has in his first 22 years on this planet. I have always lived in a house of boys and how I handle things with her will be interesting. But I like her, and she likes me. For now. LOL.

I wrote this for the Tijuana section, but I think it is better that I post it here. I hope things work out with you and your lady.

If you are married or newly divorced, just getting new pussy is great. But having sex with a woman whose clothes are on a second after you climaxed running in shame towards the door? Ugh. I want a woman in my arms after sex happy that she fucked me.

After my engagement broke off, I dove into other foreign lands, upped my game, was doing the sugar baby thing and doing well. Life was great, and I was totally content in the SB world doubtful I would leave it.

It is when you are sure things will never change that they do. What do you do when a 10 type totally falls for you, fucks the shit out of you and asks for nothing? I get part of what Kool Beans is asking. Is this really real? After a while you accept it is, and ask what next? How do you go from SD or john to BF?

For the woman, it is easier. You show the guy your love by not asking him for much money. The guy has to understand the woman hates asking for it, and you are not paying for pussy but to make someone happy. If you pay too little, she may go outside for cash. Give her too much and she is spoiled. Did you notice no one here said that if KB's girl is looking for outside cash, he should give her more?

If you are an American guy, you are no doubt making more than she is, and if you want her available to you, you have to pay for her to not work. You do not have to, but you are not going to see her much if you do not. If she does take on work, she would have to understand (and this may be hard for her) that you count more than her job.

Then there is the family. Sure, they are close, but Nana Maria and Uncle Jose really need money help. You check it out and their needs are legit, and it is not so much, but you're questioning if they are pimping out your woman, and the answer is yeah, they kind of are. That is the price of a close family, and you want them on your side in a conflict. No one in your family will want anything from her which is unfair but that is how it works.

KB does not want to be played, and he is afraid he is missing something but most guys here are going to say he is a fool. What he needs to do is only talk to guys who have had this happen to them or better yet, talk to women. Women will size up his chick and situation better than we ever will.

So why do it? It is not sex. GF sex is way better than ho sex, but sugar baby and GF sex IMO are equal. The answer is your happiness is not based on pleasure from things like sex but other people. If you are with a woman who makes you happy, it is crazy to end it, and you should be with her.

I hear guys talk themselves out of the 10 types all the time. The Barbie doll wants a Ken doll they say. But the 10's themselves are never asked and so many do not want Ken.

Once I was with a courtesan, a true 10 in bed and with looks and got paid as such. We had finished our amazing session. She told me that she was going to go out on the town. I said she was going to see the hunky suave men she really wanted to. She had already been paid, had a waiting list weeks long, and she stopped right there, looked at me dead serious and said "When I go out and try to meet men, I am looking to meet men just like you. " What she said really changed my life. At first, it was just that I was in love with the idea not sure it was true. 10 years later I realized she was telling me the truth and I acted as such.

The surest way to have a 10 not fall for you is to believe it is impossible.

Happy holidays everyone!

Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, [B]Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time[/B]!

Good luck boys. That site was a blast but it's more time than I have (to get the best results) and I would be more than happy to have one of the 3 I have on the line for several years once I finally make a decision.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2642781]Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, [B]Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time[/B]![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2642781]Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, [B]Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time[/B]![/QUOTE]I believe you are asking my stats for when I have them out on the town. So success is very very good for evening dates. Havent done the math but something like 85% success for sex once out on the date. But most importantly it's because of how I pick them in the first place. There has to be fun texting with real engagement on her part. There is that dialog where I put sex on the table without saying it. And we have a set price so no surprise. All this leadup is key.

Once the date is on, I've found dinner and drinks and sex the first night to be the thing that works for me. I'm only 1 for 4 in coffee and lunch dates (tho the one was Layla) but 27 for 31 having sex from a night date with all but two of these full sex the first night (one I eked out a BJ she was not expecting to end up In a hotel room LOL and one a passionate kiss first date and bareback sex on second date).

Obviously ymmv and recall I do not like white girls so much as you do so my pool is deeper. But I am sure you will have success. It's as much about charm and laughter at the dinner table as it is being good looking.

Here is my ethnicity and occupations scorecard a few dates old but close enough.

Blackish 8.

Latina 11.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Maid.

Ps Yes fine to go over to text to exchange pics. That’s what I do. I’d say only about 10% of girls have WhatsApp tho. Gonna more likely be vanilla text.

Lot of inspiration reading your posts. Now I am thinking of signing up for SA membership. I am new to the SA and planning a trip to CDMX in Jan. Or Feb. If it clicks, I may travel frequently.

I am 50 year and average looking Asian Indian guy.

Is cdmx is easy to score on SA? I am only into 18 to 22 year olds with no kids petite etc.

Any tops and suggestions?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2642350]SA has the marked cornered, so they can do what they want, unfortunately. As far as scams there is a lot in America, but no where as many in Mexico. I usually get a couple of girls from Colombia or Russian writing daily. It is fairly easy to spot now. Instant block for the Colombian Chicas.

I am having the best time of my life thanks to SA, I am heading back to CDMX late Christmas night. I have been there 3 of the last 4 weekends. I am averaging 2-3 sessions daily. I have accomplished this in a short period of time. I am still figuring out the city. I will make CDMX my second home. I will bust ass working in America for 10-12 days, then the 4-5 days in M. City, I can work remotely a few days. The best of both worlds.

Plus I will be flying out of MTY, much cheaper, no covid requirement and I can spend one night with the model. So good..[/QUOTE]

It's addressed to Steve who admittedly has more experience but I want to contribute to this.

SA is a colossal waste of time as with most efforts that involve high value results, diamond / asteroid / gold mining, those sand pictures that Tibetan monks make, Trump's wall, etc.

That said, the results have been inarguable for me and I am now a believer. Will not consider anything less than a 9; my time, my money, my fantasy. I'll drop to an 8 mongering in any corner of the planet but when I'm at home it's the best or nothing. I'm not desperate so I'll hold out for what I want.

Had two 1 month stints one year apart. First was normal membership, second was diamond. Normal membership was a complete waste of time. Met 3 in person, none of whom looked like their profile pics, had an arrangement with 1 for about 3 months but nothing spectacular more about the novelty. To get to those 3 I sifted through hours and hours of profiles, fakers, being stood up, etc. Massive time waste and I'm a fairly busy person. Almost no one contacted me, I had to initiate almost always with negative results.

Second was far more interesting. 1 mo diamond membership. I had 50+ a day come to me for the first two weeks then slowed quite a bit. I literally spent 4-5 hrs / day going through them and communicating. Most were garbage profiles from pick a poor country on the planet or "rich" US cities but were easy to spot and block. I was sniped fairly regularly by really attractive college aged girls who don't allow their profiles to be found but they'll contact you when something catches their eye. Frankly I was and still am shocked at the quality of girls that I've found, in the best way possible. Cute, girl next door, can have anyone she wants and knows it but is sitting in my house telling me how great it would be to hang out there for several hours a few times a month.

Your Questions:

Duds. Tons, 90% Or, I'd have an otherwise great conversation for 30 min, not say anything remotely controversial or piss her off and she disappeared never to be seen again. These are the worst because they take up the most time. So of the 700 girls I contacted or contacted me. Maybe 10-15 turned into real actionable conversations where a meeting was discussed let alone sex. Again, 9+ for me and these girls are not prostitutes so you may need to meet them twice before you see anything interesting and I wouldn't pay anything until that time. I'm fine with this because I want a mental connection, real or not I don't care but getting my rocks off in an hour or two does not interest me (especially at SA prices!) Too many other cheaper and more convenient ways to do that if I that's the goal. These college girls are charming, ambitious, and driven. Also really independent. I've met 6 in person so far and they all have those traits in common. A flashy car is not enough to get their attention, also they don't really care about gifts. They have goals and those goals need to be funded. I meet the 7th today (a 20's Dr according to her, chemistry has been incredible chatting; we chatted for almost 3 hrs yesterday and yes, I believe she is a Dr as I have an advanced degree and it's hard to hold my attention that long on a fuckin phone). 4 in my home town. 3 in other countries. They are all gorgeous and total GF material but I am not a juggler, I'm looking for 1 with incredible chemistry but haven't had sex with all yet to make a decision. The 3 in other countries are a different situation so it's less about the long game but I was up front about it and it hasn't been a problem. I met one in a foreign country for what was supposed to be dinner and extras but she ended up going home after 12 hours the next morning. * She curled up next to me after about 2. 5 straight hours of going through my whole playbook and I was in heaven. My lips were sore all next day because she couldn't suck on my lips enough. I'd pull away and she'd come right back at me for hours.

Pics. Going to change this topic slightly. So what was the difference between my first stint and my second stint? Diamond makes a difference. If I were a girl looking for reliable funds I wouldn't give someone the time of day with the cheapest profile type. A fast food worker can afford standard. Also I used real pics that were unhidden. Shows them I'm not playing games. Yes it's personally risky but I wanted results and I got them in spades. Also, my profile was extremely detailed. I put what I wanted, what was important to me, what I was willing to do as far as specific situations I was willing to assist with (not actual numbers) and what she needed to look like. I got tons of feedback telling me how they appreciated how easy it was to figure out if they were a match with me due to the level of detail I put out there. As far as moving to another app, if that doesn't come up in the first 10 lines she's probably a time waster. The serious ones are ready to move forward immediately. The lag on that stupid app is frustrating as hell when you're trying to text real time and you can't discuss specifics without risking being banned. So move forward, if she won't give you her number or ID for whatever app you're using. Move on. I had no issue giving my real number to anyone and I've got pages of sms texts and pictures to show for it.

My dating life has been insane the last month. I have enough contacts and backup contacts I can mine for several months so I let my account lapse and deleted it already. Overall I'm really happy with how I played it and the results I got.

Also this might help. There are 5 types of agenda on that site.

Party girls. Looking for a good time "luxury lifestyle" and a bunch of overpriced shit in their closet.

Desperate girls. Drug addicts & single moms.

Time wasters. Their "friend" told them about the site and they're "trying it out".

Delusional girls. Expect someone to "keep" them.

Goal driven - (my fav) college costs x, rent is why, I make a, and I need be. I have no issue at all helping girls like this. I don't think it's reasonable to expect something tangible not change hands in a relationship where the parties are so far off from an economic perspective. If you're looking to get laid for the cheapest price this really isn't the place. There are exceptions to everything so don't tell me how you got a 10 for a bag of pasta and a can of tomato sauce. I don't care. But I've found some real legit wife material here. Just girls without the means and no help from family. There's nothing wrong in my book using what you've got to get what you want and I admire them for their courage.

Good luck boys. That site was a blast but it's more time than I have (to get the best results) and I would be more than happy to have one of the 3 I have on the line for several years once I finally make a decision. They are all stunner trophy material.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2642781]Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again.[/QUOTE]

Hello seniors,

Just made an account and logged in to ask you experienced folk the correct price and acceptable deviations for some arrangements I seek to make on the seeking website.

1. Monthly live in girlfriend arrangement in Medellin (leased car situation).

2. Monthly live in girlfriend arrangement in Bogota.

3. Monthly live in girlfriend arrangement in Sao paolo.

4. Monthly live in girlfriend arrangement in Rio.

5. Monthly live in girlfriend arrangement in CIS region.

6. Correct amount to pay a travelling companion.

Background- am a 38 yo small businessman, on a break for an year. I will be travelling parts of South America and Europe and I intend to "monger" as people seem to call it here. I do not like one night stands but instead prefer to get a relationship feel by hiring talent on a monthly basis, and retaining or letting go on basis of performance. I keep semi-pros in a live in situation. It has worked for me in my country and I hope it would work in these countries too considering that they are much more sexually liberated.

I am currently in Bogota and have contacted several girls who have asked amounts in vicinity of 10000 Usd a month. While I am open to paying that sum if it guarantees a good GF experience, I do not like being ripped off / feeling ripped off / ruining the market.

So I would request the more experienced gentlemen to post their experiences and correct valuations.

I am on my 4th visit to CDMX since Thanksgiving. I love it here, stay in Polanco and you can walk everywhere another plus. The food, style, culture, service and the girls are amazing.

I am busy trying to learn as much about the city and meet as much girls as possible before I get busy at work again. I will be here ever 2nd weekend, but I will be working a lot then, but no complaints, just a totally cool place. Not cheap, but that keeps a lot of the S. Tourists out, so that is a huge advantage.

I have had way more cancelations and no-shows then MTY, but that is OK, I am learning from my mistakes.

I had a crazy experience today. I am scheduled to meet a girl at 3 pm, I text her a 2:45 she says that she is already at the restaurant and has already ordered food. Ok, weird, but not a big deal, but my guard definitely went up. I was a little mad, but it is the Holidays and I am in CDMX. I show up and she has been there for awhile, I ask her how long to response, at that point I almost walked off. I calm down, and order some food. Conversation was ok, but she was an artist, this is Huge Red Flag for me. Any way we finish lunch, I ask her about SA, but she blows off the question and says she like Older Guys. I suggested going for a walk and that point she say she wants to go home with me, I said ok, but then I thought twice and said, no. I offered to pay for the cab, but she refused. We said good bye, I am pretty sure she blocked me immediately and I did the same.

I am meeting a girl tonight for the 3rd time. College student and works in Law Firm. Beautiful, smart and fun, I love it here, a new home.

DF, we set up the apartment in Cartagena to my and her liking. I can tell she is happy to be back there as it is her original home and free from the cold of Bogota.

It is funny what is lacking in Colombia, sheets with Egyptian cotton for one, so I bought some and brought them down. I found a synthetic couch to make up for the lack of leather ones there. It is nice. I found a device so I can watch sports and my shows when I am there. I do not know why anyone has cable with this available: I even found a way to make real salsa. Colombian hot sauce is like ketchup.

Last trip was first time I got to know her daughter. ] It would not surprise me if she ends up 5 feet 10 like her mother. We are going to be fending off the men like crazy. When asked to do something, I think she said no more often than my son has in his first 22 years on this planet. I have always lived in a house of boys and how I handle things with her will be interesting. But I like her, and she likes me. For now. LOL.

I wrote this for the Tijuana section, but I think it is better that I post it here. I hope things work out with you and your lady.

If you are married or newly divorced, just getting new pussy is great. But having sex with a woman whose clothes are on a second after you climaxed running in shame towards the door? Ugh. I want a woman in my arms after sex happy that she fucked me.

After my engagement broke off, I dove into other foreign lands, upped my game, was doing the sugar baby thing and doing well. Life was great, and I was totally content in the SB world doubtful I would leave it.

It is when you are sure things will never change that they do. What do you do when a 10 type totally falls for you, fucks the shit out of you and asks for nothing? I get part of what Kool Beans is asking. Is this really real? After a while you accept it is, and ask what next? How do you go from SD or john to BF?

For the woman, it is easier. You show the guy your love by not asking him for much money. The guy has to understand the woman hates asking for it, and you are not paying for pussy but to make someone happy. If you pay too little, she may go outside for cash. Give her too much and she is spoiled. Did you notice no one here said that if KB's girl is looking for outside cash, he should give her more?

If you are an American guy, you are no doubt making more than she is, and if you want her available to you, you have to pay for her to not work. You do not have to, but you are not going to see her much if you do not. If she does take on work, she would have to understand (and this may be hard for her) that you count more than her job.

Then there is the family. Sure, they are close, but Nana Maria and Uncle Jose really need money help. You check it out and their needs are legit, and it is not so much, but you're questioning if they are pimping out your woman, and the answer is yeah, they kind of are. That is the price of a close family, and you want them on your side in a conflict. No one in your family will want anything from her which is unfair but that is how it works.

KB does not want to be played, and he is afraid he is missing something but most guys here are going to say he is a fool. What he needs to do is only talk to guys who have had this happen to them or better yet, talk to women. Women will size up his chick and situation better than we ever will.

So why do it? It is not sex. GF sex is way better than ho sex, but sugar baby and GF sex IMO are equal. The answer is your happiness is not based on pleasure from things like sex but other people. If you are with a woman who makes you happy, it is crazy to end it, and you should be with her.

I hear guys talk themselves out of the 10 types all the time. The Barbie doll wants a Ken doll they say. But the 10's themselves are never asked and so many do not want Ken.

Once I was with a courtesan, a true 10 in bed and with looks and got paid as such. We had finished our amazing session. She told me that she was going to go out on the town. I said she was going to see the hunky suave men she really wanted to. She had already been paid, had a waiting list weeks long, and she stopped right there, looked at me dead serious and said "When I go out and try to meet men, I am looking to meet men just like you. " What she said really changed my life. At first, it was just that I was in love with the idea not sure it was true. 10 years later I realized she was telling me the truth and I acted as such.

The surest way to have a 10 not fall for you is to believe it is impossible.

Happy holidays everyone.

My girl is amazing, but her family situation is complicated. Her family does not need money, in fact her dad is kind of famous in the Science Community. We will see what happens.

I which the best for you and your girlfriend. It is very sad that there is a handful of guys actively routing for guys to fail. KB is different story, I am out of that love story. All I can say is my girl is no drama at all, in fact she is the opposite. Time will tell. I think we will remain life long friends no matter what happens.

Yo Cane,

I know you were asking Steve, but I hope my stats on SA are another helpful data point.

When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exaggeration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand on the site or on text, and met about a hundred in-person. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs.

So, yeah, if one is looking for a quick hookup, then SA in the USA may be a waste of time. BUT, if you ENJOY the search, and are patient, then it can be fun and you can find some gems. For me, having one gem per month, despite over a hundred hours of work per month, was worth it, but at that time. I think I really enjoyed the novelty at the time. Would I do it again today? Not sure.

BTW, I agree with 99% of what Steve says and recommends. But one main difference between me and him, when it comes to SA, is that I don't text the girls that much. There were too many occasions where we had great chemistry on text, but not in person. And so, my strategy was to text a few times only and then suggest a meetup. Some of them wanted to keep texting, but I told them that chemistry is everything to me, and I can only tell if there's chemistry by meeting in-person. Of course, I lost a lot of girls' interests this way, but so be it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2642781]Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, [B]Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time[/B]![/QUOTE]

Those numbers pretty much match my experience in the one month I had patience for that shit. I'm simply not desperate / enjoy the hunt enough to spend that kind of time for am extended period of time. But as I said a few posts back, the work did pay off it was just a hell of a lot of work. I also want a quality "commitment" fake or not if she's a good liar I don't care but I don't see anyone only willing to meet for an hour or two. If they're not willing to at least consider spending the night I move on.

Afa chatting, you do what it takes. I chatted a girl up for a week probably 1-2 hrs / day. If there was no chemistry there's no way that would have been possible. When we met it was like we were old friends. The ones where we chat for am hour and they disappear are by far the most frustrating and a major turn off for me.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2643257]Yo Cane,

I know you were asking Steve, but I hope my stats on SA are another helpful data point.

When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exaggeration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand on the site or on text, and met about a hundred in-person. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs.

So, yeah, if one is looking for a quick hookup, then SA in the USA may be a waste of time. BUT, if you ENJOY the search, and are patient, then it can be fun and you can find some gems. For me, having one gem per month, despite over a hundred hours of work per month, was worth it, but at that time. I think I really enjoyed the novelty at the time. Would I do it again today? Not sure.

BTW, I agree with 99% of what Steve says and recommends. But one main difference between me and him, when it comes to SA, is that I don't text the girls that much. There were too many occasions where we had great chemistry on text, but not in person. And so, my strategy was to text a few times only and then suggest a meetup. Some of them wanted to keep texting, but I told them that chemistry is everything to me, and I can only tell if there's chemistry by meeting in-person. Of course, I lost a lot of girls' interests this way, but so be it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks guys for all of the detailed and helpful responses! Anyway you cut it, this thing sounds like a lot of work. But few things worth having come easy do they? I thought about the Diamond membership, but I'm not comfortable providing my personal details for the verification process. Not to a dating site that could get hacked or something. Besides, other people present different views regarding upgrading to Diamond status, with even one SB saying that she sees it as a negative sign that a SD has become addicted to the site (shrug). I'm going to start out slow. Get a free membership and just see what's out there in my area (not interested in foreign girls for sugaring). If I see enough cuties to keep my attention, then I will upgrade to premium and go from there. I realize that I won't get as many responses as I would from having Diamond, but I don't want to be swamped with more inquiries than I have time for anyway. I think a couple of hours a day on there would be enough for me. I see that SA has video and audio chat now. Has anybody used those, and if so, how well did they work? I would think that if a girl is serious, once she's comfortable enough, then she should have no problem with a video chat, unless the person on the other end is hiding something. Thanks again for the tips!