Bangkok Reports

My inability to find a girl for LT may have been because this was a sample of half a dozen girls at an equal number of gogo bars over the course of two evenings, fairly early in the evening and it was early December. Too small a sample to draw any conclusions. A decade ago my experience was that almost all the girls jumped on an opportunity for LT. Over the last couple of years I've been reading this was no longer the case. I wanted to test it for myself and got no takers. I also picked up a couple of FLs, one from Climax and one from Gulliver's, and neither of these wanted LT, though both asked for a repeat and gave me their contact info as they were leaving.

Whether it is with MPs or gogo I envy you guys living in Bangkok. Assuming you treat them well I imagine the girls see you as very desirable and as a bit more than just a customer.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1467661]Isn't it strange: they will not DFK in the club, but allow you to fondle their breasts and finger their pussy in public. I[/QUOTE]I once had a girl DFKing me at Thermae coffee shop, & one or two others plant a lip to lip kiss on me in public. I've also had one duck away from my attempted kiss. In general public affection is not considered proper in Thai society. You'll see some girls holding hands & that's about it. But in the dark world of gogo clubs there are exceptions. In general I do not find TGs are into DFK or any kind of Western smooching, as foreplay, although quite often they will even initiate it during sex when they are turned on. Or perhaps it's just a ploy to get a guy to come quickly.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1467661]By that time they know I never drink alcohol and have only soft drinks in the room, but in a strange way that seems OK to them. Some even told me that they actually don't like the alcohol and that the "whiskey" they drink is actually coca-cola and water. But maybe I attract a certain kind of girls,"like seeks like" or something.[/QUOTE]IME, almost entirely with streetwalkers, this is quite common, that they don't drink alcohol. I get the impression, for some reason, they are trying to be good Buddhists.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1467661]There is no rhyme or reason in these prices.[/QUOTE]This is completely and utterly true about ST and LT but folks will always gripe about paying too much or not paying "standard". LOL!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1467661]Have I just been lucky? I blame my good karma, of course.

Also, my most enjoyable experiences are with girls that have choosen me rather than the other way around. I sit in Suzie Wong and admire the shows. I try to make eye contact with some girls that fit my idea of beauty and sexiness. Alas I seldom succeed with that strategy. So I keep quietly sipping my soda water and ponder the movement of the universe when more often than not, at a change of dancers, one of them (probably still only half.or less- dressed) will pass by me and starts talking to me, or gives me a hug or take my hand and put it on her bum. I will offer her an LD and it will rarely take more than 30 minutes before we walk to my hotel for an LT.[/QUOTE]Yes you may have been lucky. I hope other do not take this as advice. There is one girl in SW with an odd shaped body, ordinary face, and ugly silicone Cs, fortunately I forget the name, however she is renowned for approaching customers uninvited. Yin Yang was with me and took a little time to get rid of her, being a very polite guy. Another buddy of mine S, failed to get rid of her, as he is too soft, and ended up taking her back to Hotel for a very crap session. So beware. Don't accept girls that choose you, should be the rule, if you have not given them any sign of interest at all.

Unfortunately some of the bar staff at SW can be a bit pushy these days, be it for drinks or bar fines. I just tell them I will leave if they hassle me and don't call any girls over till I say so (my regular girls are accepted). I don't like nagging! I used to like Sheba better as was more laid back style.

[QUOTE=Stevebny;1467836]This is completely and utterly true about ST and LT but folks will always gripe about paying too much or not paying "standard". LOL![/QUOTE]There is some reason to it. Its simply the match or mismatch between what the girl thinks she is worth or what she can get verses how much the guy thinks she is worth or how little he can get away with.

Sometimes there is a supply and demand effect causing different girls to charge different amounts, but supply / demand can work in reverse. When business is down for all the girls, they may put up the prices as they need to make more.

I think there is a correlation between the price and girl's looks but little correlation between the price and the performance, except that when I don't negotiate a price at all, I get more control to vary the payment based on how well she tried to please. Hence I vary between paying average and paying well. No point to tipping much extra if I do not intend to do the girl again, due to being rather weak or ordinary.

When superior looking girls are struggling to find guys that are willing to pay extra for their superior looks, I am suspecting that they form a plan to do super quickies (performing badly) in order to make more money from high turnover. I would prefer to pay more than standard and get a good duration with the hotter girls. There are some bars like the Rainbows where I would want to discuss the duration with the girl, e. G. 90 mins or 8 hours etc. No 30 min ST for me.

My last girl at Dollhouse was a super girl, super ass, super fuck. She said she normally does LT but was O.K. to do ST with me since I had to go to the airport afterwards. She would have got another customer after me for sure. Fabulous bar girls at good honest prices do exist and more than happy to go LT. Clearly likes fucking Farangs too. I will certainly call her to make a date before I return to Thailand, to avoid disappointment. Don't recall ever having a disappointing girl from Dollhouse, once I decided to take her, and I have taken at least 5 girls.

My preferred bars (all have full nudity for 50% of girls or more): Dollhouse, CrazyHouse (getting popular fast), Suzie Wong. Have tried Nana from time to time, but not found any bar that is sufficiently fun like the Cowboy bars, to keep pulling me back. I think I have just got used to a certain style. Baccara and Shark are more boring bars for me.

Hm, maybe I've been just lucky with my rather naive approach, but usually I always agree on ST first and then extend to LT if performance and chemistry ok. Provided I take her to my hotel and not to an ST place.

Never had a problem with that kind of "on-board upgrade." Ok, the LT upgrade premium after ST might give away a bit too much information if the girl actually likes me or not, being a bit too high in the latter case. Generally, I get quotes from LT=ST price plus "up to you" to double the ST price. Some reject the offer altogether of course (want to have more than one additional customer that night, party with friends with my money, tired of f*ing already.).

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1467973]Hm, maybe I've been just lucky with my rather naive approach, but usually I always agree on ST first and then extend to LT if performance and chemistry ok. Provided I take her to my hotel and not to an ST place.[/QUOTE]Interesting approach. Kind of like up-selling, which is weird because you're supposedly the buyer. For what it's worth, none of the ladies I talked to at the gogos would go back to my hotel. They would only go to the ST hotel down the corridor from the club. I ended up bar fining two. One was in a big hurry. Suck, suck, f*ck, f*ck, rush, rush, squirt! The other spent a very fun 90 minutes with me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1467849]My last girl at Dollhouse was a super girl, super ass, super fuck. She said she normally does LT but was okay to do ST with me since I had to go to the airport afterwards. She would have got another customer after me for sure. Fabulous bar girls at good honest prices do exist and more than happy to go LT. Clearly likes fucking Farangs too. I will certainly call her to make a date before I return to Thailand, to avoid disappointment. Don't recall ever having a disappointing girl from Dollhouse, once I decided to take her, and I have taken at least 5 girls.

My preferred bars (all have full nudity for 50% of girls or more) : Dollhouse, CrazyHouse (getting popular fast) , Suzie Wong. Have tried Nana from time to time, but not found any bar thatis sufficiently fun like the Cowboy bars, to keep pulling me back. I think I have just got used to a certain style. Baccara and Shark are more boring bars for me.[/QUOTE]Think I'll try Dollhouse this time round. Only places I have been to in Soi Cowboy are Baccara and Shark with mediocre to bad experiences in both.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467986]Interesting approach. Kind of like up-selling, which is weird because you're supposedly the buyer. For what it's worth, none of the ladies I talked to at the gogos would go back to my hotel. They would only go to the ST hotel down the corridor from the club.[/QUOTE]Not weird because it's up-buying rather than selling. It isn't weird to decide to stay longer in a hotel you like either, is it?

But recalling the cases in question, you're probably right too. Because at the NEP clubs it's now more likely that I take them to the ST hotel anyway because it's more convenient. For instance I think I never took a Rainbow girl to my hotel, and most didn't seem keen on it (unless hotel was very near). Renegotiated to LT with a girl from Soi Cowboy just recently though and with the odd freelancer before. So yes, it probably depends a lot on the venue and of course on the girl if they're interested in LT at all.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1468014]Not weird because it's up-buying rather than selling. It isn't weird to decide to stay longer in a hotel you like either, is it?

But recalling the cases in question, you're probably right too. Because at the NEP clubs it's now more likely that I take them to the ST hotel anyway because it's more convenient. For instance I think I never took a Rainbow girl to my hotel, and most didn't seem keen on it (unless hotel was very near). Renegotiated to LT with a girl from Soi Cowboy just recently though and with the odd freelancer before. So yes, it probably depends a lot on the venue and of course on the girl if they're interested in LT at all.[/QUOTE]Didn't mean to imply I thought there was anything weird about what you are doing. I think it's rather clever. I meant we are all familiar with up-selling. You cunningly turned the tables and "up-bought" as you put it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1467841]So beware. Don't accept girls that choose you, should be the rule, if you have not given them any sign of interest at all.[/QUOTE]IME with streetwalkers I would not make such a rule. There is none. But maybe gogos are different.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467986]Interesting approach. Kind of like up-selling, which is weird because you're supposedly the buyer. For what it's worth, none of the ladies I talked to at the gogos would go back to my hotel. They would only go to the ST hotel down the corridor from the club. I ended up bar fining two. One was in a big hurry. Suck, suck, f*ck, f*ck, rush, rush, squirt! The other spent a very fun 90 minutes with me.[/QUOTE]That is clear sign the girl wants quickie. Not recommended. Becoming a trend in rainbow bars I fear.

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[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1468191]That is clear sign the girl wants quickie. Not recommended. Becoming a trend in rainbow bars I fear.

In[/QUOTE]Good observation. As always, you know what you're talking about. In the future I'd be inclined to pass on a girl who is only willing to go to a ST hotel; however, the funny thing is I had a great 90 minutes in the ST hotel with the one girl. I've written about her before. She was a real sweetie and was actually taking me to her room. She clearly lived in the ST hotel room we played in. She seemed almost afraid to leave NEP.

[quote=paul kausch;1468228]good observation. as always, you know what you're talking about. in the future i'd be inclined to pass on a girl who is only willing to go to a st hotel; however, the funny thing is i had a great 90 minutes in the st hotel with the one girl. i've written about her before. she was a real sweetie and was actually taking me to her room. she clearly lived in the st hotel room we played in. she seemed almost afraid to leave nep.[/quote]the other reason is **** girls are scared to go to hotel where i'd will be checked.

[quote=syzygies;1468237]the other reason is **** girls are scared to go to hotel where i'd will be checked.[/quote]this girl looked to be mid-twenties and khmer.