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Testosterone replacement therapy is widely practiced by physicians (in the USA and elsewhere) and recognized as effective.

[QUOTE=Western787;1471769]Other than marketing claims and hype there is no scientific evidence that has ever proven any of these "low T" products will actually increase libido.[/QUOTE]For sake of clarity, there is no evidence that synthetic testosterone has any impact on erectile dysfunction, but as you specifically mention "libido" I'm guessing your limiting your comment to male sex drive.

I also want to make it clear, I am not referring to products that do not contain actual synthetic testosterone but claim to increase testosterone levels and sex drive. My remarks are limited to synthetic testosterone available only by prescription.

First, three groups of men take synthetic testosterone: (1) athletes seeking improvements in their performance; (2) men with abnormally low testosterone levels for their age; and (3) older men who have normal testosterone levels for their age but lower levels than when they were younger.

Men who report having a low sex drive are more likely to have low testosterone levels. For example, MIT conducted a study: the average age of the men was 47; 11% of all the men in the study reported a low sex drive; among men with low testosterone levels 28% reported a low sex drive. Of course this only establishes a correlation between low testosterone and low sex drive, but you will be hard pressed to find a credible scientist who does not believe low testosterone levels are related to low sex drive.

The use of synthetic testosterone to increase a man's sex drive is more complicated. Broadly stated, many men with low testosterone who take synthetic testosterone report an increase in their sex drive. This is an empirical fact. The specific physiological mechanism responsible for this is not understood at this time. There is a plethora of research that shows synthetic testosterone increases physical strength, muscle mass, bone density, elevates mood, promotes more regular sleep and reduces body fat. The mechanisms that produce these effects are well understood. Stress, poor sleep habits, depression and other psychological factors diminish sex drive. Synthetic testosterone's impact on these factors could explain why some men report an increase in sex drive from taking synthetic testosterone. Of course there could be a more direct connection between sex drive and the elevation in testosterone produced by taking synthetic testosterone.

This is strictly anecdotal but I know several men in their 60's (about my age or a little older) who take synthetic testosterone. As a result, there has been a noticeable change in their physical appearance: improved muscle tone, reduced body fat and improvements in the appearance of their skin. They claim they have made no other changes in their life-styles. They also claim to have more energy, feel like a "younger man" and to have a greatly increased sex drive.

There are potential side effects from taking synthetic testosterone. It is now known that some of the reported side effects (such as testicular atrophy and increases in the size of the male breasts) are not attributable to testosterone but to the concurrent use of anabolic steroids by the men in these early studies. The biggest risk is that men who have prostate cancer will worsen the disease; therefore, a family history of prostate cancer is a contraindicater.

Artificially manipulating testosterone levels is a serious matter. Anyone considering taking synthetic testosterone should bear in mind that the long term effects are not know at this time. Do your research, talk to a couple of doctors and think carefully before making a decision.

In fact a recent limited study suggests that many symptoms commonly treated with testosterone are actually a result of low estrogen in men as both men and womens bodies contain both and the balance is essential. And, that testosterone dosing often has no meaningful results yet potentially harmful effects.

One should be cautious regarding medical conclusions offered on this and all anonymous sites.

[QUOTE=Western787;1471769]Other than marketing claims and hype there is no scientific evidence that has ever proven any of these "low T" products will actually increase libido.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471685]Testosterone cream elevate testosterone levels, which reverses these conditions. An older man taking testosterone cream will get stronger and more muscular. His bones will be healthier. His mood will improve. He will sleep better. Like a younger man he will feel hornier and be more motivated to f*ck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471787]"low sex drive"[/QUOTE]Excuse me, but what is 'low sex drive'? Disinterest in sex, or lack of being aroused or what exactly? I can certainly understand that ugly girls are not a big turn on. Is it because I am horny every day that I have missed the point entirely?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1471804]Excuse me, but what is 'low sex drive'? Disinterest in sex, or lack of being aroused or what exactly? I can certainly understand that ugly girls are not a big turn on. Is it because I am horny every day that I have missed the point entirely?[/QUOTE]Sex drive is colloquial for libido. Libido was a central construct in Freud's theories on human psychodynamics. Freud thought it pertained to everything that we would subsume under the word love. Sex, as we think of it, is just one manifestation of libido. Like many terms that Freud coined it became widely used by other scientists (Freud was a medical doctor specializing in neurology) and laypeople. In the medical community sex drive and libido are interchangeable. Low sex drive (libido) is a subjective term. A doctor would say a person has a low sex drive if he perceives his libido to be low and is distressed by this. There is no external, objective way to validate this person's self-perception. Oddly, this implies a fellow in Bangkok could be said to have a low libido because he believe his sex drive is low because he is only motivated to f*ck one woman every day and is distressed because other guys he knows f*ck two or more woman every day.

If you are horny every day you would have no way to experientially relate to the term. Lucky you.

For what it's worth, the guys I know who take synthetic testosterone are adamant increasing their sex drive was not the reason they started the therapy. It was for the objective benefits: increased strength, muscle mass, bone density, etc. In fact a couple guys I know complain about the increased sex drive. They're married to women their age who are generally disinterested in sex. This was not a problem for them before. Now they tell me, as when they were younger, they get horny looking at young ladies and are constantly fighting temptations.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471812]This was not a problem for them before. Now they tell me, as when they were younger, they get horny looking at young ladies and are constantly fighting temptations.[/QUOTE]A guy wasn't getting much sex and wasn't horny so did not care. Why take the hormone to make him very unhappy about not getting enough? I have GF who is good for sex. I enjoy a lot but it is not often enough. Therefore I play up. This is a problem. Maybe I need propecia as an anti horny measure.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1471817]A guy wasn't getting much sex and wasn't horny so did not care. Why take the hormone to make him very unhappy about not getting enough?[/QUOTE]That was their dilemma. They liked all the effects except that they were horny like a young man. As for me I'm happy that I'm horny like a young man and free to chase skirts as much as I please.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1471817]I have GF who is good for sex. I enjoy a lot but it is not often enough. Therefore I play up. This is a problem. Maybe I need propecia as an anti horny measure.[/QUOTE]Don't do that! Your GF wouldn't have the pleasure of enjoying your manliness. The SW would miss you as a client. And we'd miss you as a contributor to ISG.

[quote=paul kausch;1471787]artificially manipulating testosterone levels is a serious matter. anyone considering taking synthetic testosterone should bear in mind that the long term effects are not know at this time. do your research, talk to a couple of doctors and think carefully before making a decision.[/quote]great post, and your conclusion is spot on. i am happy to take v until my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] turns blue, but although i would benefit from increased testosterone for all the other reasons you mention, i am not motivated to try it because of the potential for unwanted side-effects.

dr mouse. :)

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1471487]Always prepared to pay them less, I told her no more then 1500 for 2 shots and she accepted. Time was irrelevant to me. If she can get 2 nuts out of me quick she deserve every baht. I realize there is a lot of good Thai vagina in that price bracket but she carried herself a lot better then what I see out there and can understand the fascination with office girls. She was exactly what I wanted her to be; a sexy, slutty, professional. The hottest girl to ever gag on my cock and taking my load to the face right before going to work was money well spent if it was the last 1500 to my name. Couldn't even fit my finger in her asshole so anal was out the question.[/QUOTE]Thank.

Good to hear, we are fishing for the same price range and for the same type of women too, LOL

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471712]2. I was suggesting it would be easier to pull this off if the man in the video was working with you. Do it with a willing male friend. If you will be in Bangkok alone, you might be able to use ISG to recruit someone to work with you. Guys who are exhibitionists might get into it.[/QUOTE]I understand that my best shot would be a freelance.

What is the best location to choose a freelance from (what streets? What pub? Location?) , as I would like to have a big variety to choose from.

Secondly, what is ISG?

Although all of you, guys, called it filming a porn, my mind was different. My intention is to use it only for my private collection, not commercially, not for the internet, not for anything else. I know that the girl might suspect otherwise, but this is my thought.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1471788]One should be cautious regarding medical conclusions offered on this and all anonymous sites.[/QUOTE]I'd second this statement, that ISG is not a site to gather good info about Testosterone Replacement Therapy for yourself. If you have Low T, or think you have it, go to a doctor and have them run the necessary blood tests. These look at all of your hormonal markers, not just Testosterone. High levels of Estradiol can also make a difference to a mans mood, and to his body, for instance. Only a blood test and a good doctor will give you realistic options to consider. And don't compare advice from young bodybuilders using steroids as being informative to older men using Testosterone (along with anti-aromatising products) in order to maintain a good quality of life. They are as different as night from day.

Let's be healthy, be educated about this, and support people in making good choices. Testosterone replacement needs caution, to be sure, but it offers help in the same way estrogen replacement helps older women.

-Gunga

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471936]I understand that my best shot would be a freelance.

What is the best location to choose a freelance from (what streets? What pub? Location?) , as I would like to have a big variety to choose from.

Secondly, what is ISG?

Although all of you, guys, called it filming a porn, my mind was different. My intention is to use it only for my private collection, not commercially, not for the internet, not for anything else. I know that the girl might suspect otherwise, but this is my thought.[/QUOTE]This is ISG. International Sex Guide. Write a post on this thread asking guys who are in Bangkok at the same time you will be doing this if any are interested. Tell the ones who are to send you a PM (private message). You will have to become a paying member to have private message capability. All of this is explained within this website.

I thought this was something for your private viewing. What I think is irrelevant. I think the girls may think you're planning to use the video to make money.

There is information in this thread about good places to pick up freelancers. A few I'd mention are: Club Climax (in the Ambassador Hotel on Soi 11) , Nana Disco (in the Nana Hotel close to Nana Plaza) , Insanity (on Soi 22 near Time Square) , any of the beer bars, off the streets.

This is all too premature for you now. Get there, learn your way around and you'll know as much as you'll learn here. I've shot tons of video with many different girls. Work a little magic, keep your wallet open and its all there for you.

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471936]I understand that my best shot would be a freelance.

What is the best location to choose a freelance from (what streets? What pub? Location?) , as I would like to have a big variety to choose from.

Secondly, what is ISG?

Although all of you, guys, called it filming a porn, my mind was different. My intention is to use it only for my private collection, not commercially, not for the internet, not for anything else. I know that the girl might suspect otherwise, but this is my thought.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunga Din;1471984]Let's be healthy, be educated about this, and support people in making good choices. Testosterone replacement needs caution, to be sure, but it offers help in the same way estrogen replacement helps older women.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's why I ended my posts with the following.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471685]Both drugs have side effects and should be used in consultation with your friendly family doctor.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471787]Artificially manipulating testosterone levels is a serious matter. Anyone considering taking synthetic testosterone should bear in mind that the long term effects are not know at this time. Do your research, talk to a couple of doctors and think carefully before making a decision.[/QUOTE]The older men I know who are taking synthetic testosterone are very pleased with the benefits. They are taking it under physicians' supervision.

I should add, I know one guy who was interested in taking synthetic testosterone. After talking to a physician he decided he would not. I didn't pry for details. He just said, "I decided it wasn't for me."

[QUOTE=David_33;1471782]Testosterone replacement therapy is widely practiced by physicians (in the USA and elsewhere) and recognized as effective.[/QUOTE]Effective doing what? While perhaps muscle mass and other issues can be improved, the big issue and really the central focus and implication of their marketing campaigns. Low libido. Has yet to be resolved. Step back and apply commons sense: if the drug companies had the science (beyond anecdotal reports) supporting that "low T" intervention actually worked in regard to the libido issue, they'd certainly have the monetary motivation to be out front pointing to these studies in the medical literature. The reality is these studies do not exist.

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