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[QUOTE=Henio]Don't think so. They have been perfectly free to travel and work in Germany for some time now. It is about extending the Schengen area. It has taken its time since the joining countries have to fulfill some security stuff on their boarders to countries outside Schengen.

The border was before just a minor nuisance, crossed easily by Germans and Poles for cheaper gasoline or cigarettes, or to go to work. Citizens of countries in the European Union have already been passing through the now closed checkpoints with little more than a flash of the identity card in most cases. The dismantling of the Polish/German border posts is a really a ceremonial nonevent

btw: It was not only Poland but also Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Slovenia[/QUOTE]
The BBC report did interviews of Germans who mostly expressed concern about increased criminality.

On the other side of the border, they mostly expressed relief at not being treated as second rate citizens anymore. They did say they expected to have to carry papers with them and present them if not at the border than further into the West.

Notice that the list does not (yet) include Romania and Bulgaria, the sources of a lot of talent these days.

This issue of cars being stolen is a real one. If you rent a car in Germany there is a list of countries you cannot take your car into (all to the East). Its all in the fine print.

A friend of mine had project work in Warsaw and he had to drive there every now and then. The rule was to drive as old a car as you can when you cross the border. Otherwise, you can expect that you will have people follow you and either try to make you pull over or wait for you to pull over. Then they take your car.

They won't take certain cars though. He was saying that if you drive a Jaguar across the Polish border, for example, they will stand back and admire the car but not touch it because they know they can't easily get spare parts for it.

You may have seen this before...

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I personally want the 31 day extended orgasm.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Notice that the list does not (yet) include Romania and Bulgaria, the sources of a lot of talent these days.
[/QUOTE] Romania and Bulgaria are in the process of enhancing their boarder security system to be qualified for joining the Schengen territory. Many people confuse the EU with the Schengen agreement (The Maastricht Treaty transferred the Schengen acquis to the EU). There are countries in the Schengen agreement that are not in EU (f.ex. Norway) and there are countries in EU that have opted to keep their own control of their boarders (f.ex. UK and Ireland). Then you have countries that are not member of either (such as Switzerland). Schengen agreement and the boarder control has actually nothing to do with the right to work, but you are right, there are some concernes about criminals having easier access cross boarders, but at the same time there is increased control of the outer boarder of the new Schengen countries that people sometimes forget to take into account.

Then there is the right to work delay time for new members of the EU (such as Romania and Bulgaria).

The boarder between Poland and Germany has a lot of history (mostly connected to warfare) so there is a lot of symbolism (and emotions) attached to the whole thing which explains a lot of the media hype around it, but it really is a nonevent for all practical purposes.

Sorry for the off-topic rambling, but since it is the General thread it should be ok.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]I personally want the 31 day extended orgasm.[/QUOTE]I've had it - it's over-rated.

Go for the 'all the children in the world singing together in perfect harmony' bollocks.

Or the money/power thing, that might be good.

I can't spell Russian.....yes go to rent-a-wreck for your hire car to eastern europe. As for the borders remember that the British are mightly pissed at the whole idea of Europe and will do and say anything to rubbish it, especially as the Brits are turning their island into Fortress UK. By contrast German TV was one big celebration of fireworks, bunting, booze and sawing border barriers ceremonially in half. When I first crossed the border years ago (for work) I couldn't understand why the line of cars on the German side were all full of single men----silly me.

[QUOTE=Henio]There are countries in the Schengen agreement that are not in EU (f.ex. Norway) and there are countries in EU that have opted to keep their own control of their boarders (f.ex. UK and Ireland). Then you have countries that are not member of either (such as Switzerland). [/QUOTE]Hi Heino,

May I correct you: It's true that Switzelnad isn't part of the EU. However Switzerland – or more correctly – Swiss people agreed to belong to the "Schengener Raum". This happened through a votation in 2005.

Regards, Globus

[QUOTE=Globus]Hi Heino,

May I correct you: It's true that Switzelnad isn't part of the EU. However Switzerland – or more correctly – Swiss people agreed to belong to the "Schengener Raum". This happened through a votation in 2005.

Regards, Globus[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely right, I stand corrected. Switzerland is indeed a part of the treaty, but yet to implement it. I believe it is scheduled to be implemented next fall.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]You may have seen this before...

[url]http://www.jibjab.com/view/210397[/url]

I personally want the 31 day extended orgasm.[/QUOTE]

I'd go for the money; the 31 day big-O would follow easily :D
Merry Christmas, everybody!

Dear all,

I am a Norwegian man often in Frankfurt on my way to work (transit, 24 hours). I love the FKK scene, but I would very much like to try some hardcore action. Like a gangbang/orgy. I have visit xtreff.com. Ok but not very nice. Very fare from Frankfurt city centre. What about club 188? Anyone how would like to met me in Frankfurt. For some hardcore party? I can travel on short notis. Best regards, K. O.

Seasons Greetings to all

The FKK scene surely is a blessing to one and all. But there was a similar scene years ago in the USA, until "Big Business" took over, as a result of supply and demand. Dubious laws. And profits.

In the 70's, early 80's brothels outside of Carson City, Nevada (the famed Pussycat Ranch), amongst many small operators, even the famed Mustang Ranch were reasonably priced_ O'l Joe Conforte kept his prices reasonable.

The Pussycat Ranch (just outside of Carson City) was an owner operated establishment. Small, compared to some of the neighboring establishments. $50. 00 a go. Drinks were $2. 00. Meals (free) were served. The service was first class. Friendly folks. (the black madam always remembered us, a classic character)

On many occassions, my friends and I would check in for a few days. There are hot springs not far away for rejuvenation. I could write a book on the fun we had. These were the golden days.

Sadly big business eventually took over. The hoo hah /big shot at the Moonlite Ranch bought up several of the brothels, raised the prices. Had a TV show. Importing porn stars. At 2-5000. 00 ++++ a session.

The laws in the USA on PFS remained the same. So it remains a sellers market.

Here is the price. Take it or leave it.

However there was a time. When there was no need to travel to Europa to have alot of fun for a reasonable bill. It was right here in our backyard. Sadly, that day is long gone. Due to archaic laws. Strato.

I don't go out of my way looking for bareback sex, I have done it with a hand full of working girls in the heat of the moment over the years, and yes it is STUPID, I even had an impromptu and very brief bareback experience in Partytreff selm last September. I have NOT caught STDs (lucky), but I am fascinated about these clubs, especially in an age where AIDS has been killing people for nearly 30 years, and yet any guy can walk into these clubs and fuck away bareback to his hearts content for very small money.

Up until about a year ago when I first visited Club Tabulos, I kind of believed that bareback clubs in Germany were stuff of myth, even though I had read some stuff on the original world sex guide, and met a punter in Amsterdam who confirmed their existence in the mid 90’s.

ALSO I remember very little mention on THIS forum about the subject up until about a year ago and I recall guys getting flamed for enquiring about it. Then around Sept 06, HollandMale reported on Club Tabulos and the availability of creampies. In my innocence I didn’t even know what creampies were at the time. For any of you that don’t know: It means cumming inside the woman. I then visited Club Tabulos and witnessed it for myself. Then info began to surface on the forum about certain women in Bernds performing it, and a swingers club whose name I don’t recall where they have a bareback gangbang regularly.

Some now along with [url]http://www.club-tabulos.de[/url], we have [url]www.club-laluna-moers.de[/url], and I’ve been informed that bareback is available in most clubs if you look hard enough. I also remember reading a report that a girl in Partytreff Dorsten barebacked with a guy, and I remember a local in PT Dorsten telling me that he has witnessed it there, but not since about 2004 he said.

Now only today in all of my innocence I discover there is even a forum dedicated to it. I won't write the web address here because Jackson doesn’t approve of posting other forums here, but if you go to Google and enter tabulosforum you should find it. Seems you have to pay to join it.

So what about STDS and AIDS?

Well when I visited Club Tabulos I was sure the clients were going to be real hardcore dudes, with shaved heads, loads of piercing and tattoos etc. I could not have been more wrong. Most were very middleclass men in there 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and upwards with big grey moustaches and comb over hairstyles. When I asked the one English-speaking girl about diseases, she said that there is no problem, that the girls take "precautions inside", which must mean spermicidle cream and sponges etc, and that they are tested every 2 weeks. If they have a problem they are then out. I know cream and sponges might SLIGHTLY help prevent a woman catching something but obviously they are not in the same league as condoms.

One thing I do wonder about though. I wonder do HIV positive (or with other STDS) guys ever go along to these clubs with the intent of trying to infect a girl? I'm sure it happens occasionally. Id say there have to be guys who come back from a sex trip to Thailand, discover they are HIV+, then go and decide to take some sort of weird revenge by trying to infect local women who perform bareback.

Has anyone any thoughts on this strange modern phenomena?

[QUOTE=Wan King] ...and I’ve been informed that bareback is available in most clubs if you look hard enough.[/QUOTE]I've been around in the "Milieu" for more almost 20 years now, and I was offered bareback sex many times, without asking for it. I admit that a few times I accepted the proposal.

You all should know that bareback is, as Wan King mentions, available in many many places, even in conservative Bavaria.

This is no modern phenomena, there has always been bareback paysex and it will always be.

Beside the well known "official" bareback adresses like LaLuna or Club Tabulos, there is bareback in most FKK clubs (Bernds, Samya, Freude39, World, Palace, Oase, Golden Time, Finca Erotica, .), with many girls working in "Appartments" (in Cologne, Düsseldorf, Saarbrücken, Frankfurt, Hannover, Hamburg, Berlin, .) or other clubs (Traumparadies, .) and with street girls.

As there is no "official" bareback service in most locations cited above, I won't mention names of the girls. Girls are also reading the forums and they do not like to see their names mentionned in association with bareback.

Guys, asking the girls for bareback and mentionning that they read it on the internet and so putting pressure on the girls, are not likely to receive bareback service. If a girl is identifying one of her guests writing on the internet about bareback, he risks to get nothing anymore from her.

I know a guy who is "persona non grata" for certain girls, because he talked and wrote a bit to much.

Be sure, when a girls is offering you bareback, you are not the only one. Bareback is not always the rule, the girls often choose some of their frequent visitors and offer them bareback. Many other guests will never receive that service. Why? Sympathy, stupidity, extra money? Who knows?

This is no german phenomena, there is for example a belgian internet site that announces bareback gangbangs regularly. In Austria, girls offering bareback announce it clearly ("Ohne-Service") on the net, in newspapers, .

If you do not want to take a risk, always use condoms.

Even a girl who always uses condoms at work, is fucking bareback with her boyfriend for example, and you don't know where the boyfriend is fucking around, maybe bareback.

My sources tell me that bareback is available at most clubs. You just have to ask. I personally have never been offered it but this is what I've been told.

I have ended up in bareback mode for various reasons (the condom broke once and once we lost it and had to fish for it inside her).

I'm not interested in experiencing sloppy seconds. The thought of my boys swimming around with some other guy's stuff doesn't really appeal to me.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]My sources tell me that bareback is available at most clubs. You just have to ask.[QUOTE]That's right. Certain girls give you bareback if you just ask.

Yes, it's that old hygiene issue that bothers me too...if the girl doesn't wash the dishes so to speak things get a tad rancid. Has this once in Bernd's...nuf said.