@ Marlow: Interesting points
Yes, curiously enough there is no discussion in the German forums about the darkside of the business. It is either because it is taken for granted amongst our Teutonic colleagues that there is a darkside and there is no need to go there or we in the Anglophone world just have a natural curiosity about these things and need to have that curiosity sated.
It is funny too that there are differences in attitudes even between those of us who live on this side of the pond and those of you who live on that side of the pond. As a friend of mind has remarked, make a non-politically correct joke in the UK in front of an audience and folks laugh. Make the same joke here and the audience is shocked. We have no more sense of humor about these things, was his observation. We are significantly more straitlaced and puritanical.
And yes, you can be sure that working conditions for working girls where they came from are even less appealing than their working conditions in Germany.
There was a documentary on TV last year about the trafficking of Ukrainian women to Turkish brothels and it was almost like watching a scene from Dante's Inferno.
So the next time you are a club and you see women who stand on the side and get no customers, think twice. Everyone wants to have their fun visiting these clubs and one naturally gravitates towards the women who are more visually appealing but to these women on the sidelines just one more customer brings her one step closer to throwing off that yoke.
Face it, doing this type of work isn't a career choice for anyone.
As I've written before, my ideal scenario is finding a true amateur at these clubs: a chick who wants to make some money to meet some financial objective and enjoys sex so from her point of view, why not do it for some cash? But in the true sense of being an amateur, she does this only for a brief period of time and then moves on. Return to the club months after and she is gone. Every time I find one I am rewarded by an experience which is more authentic than the pros can deliver. If she really gets into it, I sometimes wonder who is servicing who.
I will never join a club that accepts someone like me as a member
[QUOTE=Jackyo]As I've written before, my ideal scenario is finding a true amateur at these clubs: a chick who wants to make some money to meet some financial objective and enjoys sex so from her point of view, why not do it for some cash? But in the true sense of being an amateur, she does this only for a brief period of time and then moves on. Return to the club months after and she is gone. Every time I find one I am rewarded by an experience which is more authentic than the pros can deliver. If she really gets into it, I sometimes wonder who is servicing who.[/QUOTE]Maybe you've forgotten that you became a "Pro" too with your ongoing career visiting clubs! So - listen to the truth in your words - you became less and less authentic in your (sexual) behaviour!
Additionally, in your words too: "But in the true sense of being an amateur, she does this only for a brief period of time and then moves on." Since you do it for a long(er) time already, you left the status of being a "true" amateur in the "true" sense and, on top of that, you forgot to move on (in your life)!
Everybody has his or her own dreams, sure! Maybe the prostitutes dream of finding an amateur whom they can rip off as much money as possible.
What I'm wondering: why should a man like you with such experience and "professionel" skills look actively for amateurs? True? :-)
Bee & Coco are among the stars in Palace
[QUOTE=Toscana] Bea, Bangkok - Mid-twenties - Very Thai-looking, but quite tall - Long black hair - Slim, beautiful face and body - Tuned C breasts
Only works early shift, and only Thurs-Sat, says she can relax better with this work rhythm. And she has clearly polished up her act now too. She is a superb, experienced performer, available for everything, although she will only do anal if she feels comfortable with the guy’s behaviour and skill. In the room she is just perfect for girlfriend sex. In 69, she really got going, you know that great feeling when a beautiful girl suddenly starts to lose control, and almost becomes another animal. So it was with Bea, and she slowly surrendered and climaxed powerfully, although – being a good Thai girl – not tooooo noisily. LOL. Special stuff from a special girl. [/QUOTE]Bee (or Bi or Bea, however you spell her "name") has been one of the star performers in Palace for a while. I´ve been a Palace regular for one year (ca. once a month), and have always booked with Bee if she was around. Nice girl, intelligent, she´s got stuff to talk about...and great sex of course:) She´ll be in Thailand from Dec to Feb, but wiil be back after that (so she says...). So hurry up if you want to see her soon...
[QUOTE=Radler]...then I see Chinese Koko show up instreet cloths. Interesting how if you saw her on the street you probably wouldn´t turn your head. Interesting the transition as she´s quite the doll when in the club. Koko is very friendly and really seems to like guys who repeat with her. Koko also wants to introduce me to her friend Kim. Sorry. Anyway, a nice BJ, sex in with her on top, doggie and finally mish. [/QUOTE]Coco is less sexy-looking than Bee, but in terms of a good GFE session, she beats the pack at Palace. But as usual it all depends on the ´chemistry´... Even for a guy liek me that is not particularly into Asian girls, I have to say Bee & Coco are top - even compared to the Brazilians and other Latin Americans that I usually prefer. Suerte, Felipe
Your points are well taken
I don't doubt that the main reason why there is less talk about the darkside of this business on the German forums is exactly as you mentioned: the connection between the fora and the advertising revenue.
It is not a topic I want to pursue with RF guys when I see them, I have to admit.
Now becoming a pimp, that is something I aspire to become.. not!
[quote=Nick the G]Maybe you've forgotten that you became a "Pro" too with your ongoing career visiting clubs! So - listen to the truth in your words - you became less and less authentic in your (sexual) behaviour!
Additionally, in your words too: "But in the true sense of being an amateur, she does this only for a brief period of time and then moves on." Since you do it for a long(er) time already, you left the status of being a "true" amateur in the "true" sense and, on top of that, you forgot to move on (in your life)!
Everybody has his or her own dreams, sure! Maybe the prostitutes dream of finding an amateur whom they can rip off as much money as possible.
What I'm wondering: why should a man like you with such experience and "professionel" skills look actively for amateurs? True? :-)[/quote]
I'll have abandoned my amateur status when some chick starts paying me for servicing her. Wouldn't that be the difference between a pro and an amateur?
I also will have attained professional status when I figure out a way not to be scammed by these women. It still happens to me more often than I'd want to admit.
Just when you think you have the whole thing figured out is when they pull a fast one on you. It keeps me humble and on my guard all of the time: except at a Partytreff - which explains why I spend as much time as I do researching PTs.
My other "extracurricular" activities, which all take place locally, involve only amateurs, hence my interest in finding amateurs.
Sure the women are several notches below the visual standards at an FKK club but they deliver a much more authentic experience, its much more enthusiastic, they are much more spontaneous and they are also much more creative.
The Palace - 1st Visit Report
I know there's a huge body of info out there on The Palace for first-timers, but I think for fellow hobbyists, "too much" info is "just right", no? I'm a beneficiary of useful info about The Palace that I read here, so I'm giving back now.
I'll start from your flight into Frankfurt Airport. Once landed, presumably in Terminal 1, take the escalator to the basement level. That's where the S-Bahn trains going to the city center are. Look for trains S8 or S9 at Platform 1. Before that, go to the automatic ticketing machine, press the button named "Einzelfahrt Frankfurt" and WITH an aeroplane symbol. Ticket price is 3. 55 Euros. Insert the appropriate notes/coins. Don't bother with other buttons. It's a 25 min ride (or less) into the city terminal called Hauptwache ("hop-vah-he"). From there, change to the U-Bahn train nos U6 or U7. You want to ride the train northwards to the station called "Industrihof/Neue Borse". This station is actually just a pair of platforms raised above ground, there's no "terminal building". More like a bus stop. The train ride from Hauptwache to Industriehoff/Neue Borse is really short. About 7 min only.
Once you alight, walk *across* the train tracks, and cross the road. If you didn't walk across the train tracks, you're probably headed in the wrong direction. When you have crossed the road and reached the kerb, you'd come smack into a coppery-color low stone wall. If you now turn left and walk, the Ibis Hotel is about 150 meters down the road. However, if you turn right instead, you're headed for the Palace. Walk for about 50 meters, and you'd see a 10-foot wide gap in the wall on your left. Walk through this gap, and you'd end up in a street called Konigsberger Strasse. Continue walking for about 150 meters straight down, and you'd see the tall yellow Flemings Hotel. Right below the hotel is the sign for The Palace (golden words on black background). It's the easiest thing in the world to find. You can't miss it.
A note about hotel. The Ibis (2-star) is great, nice and clean with good service. There's no need to pay double the price and stay at Fleming (4-star), although it's right next to the Palace.
The Palace is opened from 11am to 4am. You pay entrance fee of 75 Euros, and you're issued with a towel, and tamper-free wrist band, and another wrist band with a small key. The first wrist band is to allow you to exit and re-enter the place anytime within the operating hours for the day. The latter wrist band with key opens 2 lockers: a small one where you keep your money and valuables, and a bigger one where you keep your clothings, bag etc.
You pay the girl after the session, by walking her to the small locker and taking the money from inside. Give her the money, a peck on the cheeks, and off she goes.
Before anything else, you'd typically take a shower, thus the issued towel. There're plenty of towels by the reception area for you to use, as well as robes. I noticed that most men wear the towel around their waist, instead of a robe. So do the same. I later realised that with this, when the girl cosies up to you, you can feel more of her! The temperature indoors is well-regulated, you won't be cold.
Here's a rough layout of the place. You can also see from the web site [url]www.the-palace. De: [/url]. 1st right: men's changing room, big locker.. Further down right, in hallway itself: small locker for cash etc.. 1st left: lady's changing room plus locker. More tips on this later.. Inside main vestibule, on left: small bar, and TV room (voyeur heaven, jaw-dropping live acts. More later). On right in main vestibule: nice rooms for sex, beautifully done up.. On higher level: bar plus lounge area.. On ground level: also lounge area.. Sauna room, jacuzzi, smoking room at the end.
You have all types of girls from an assortment of countries: Brazil, Italy, Germany, Czech, Hungary, Bulgaria, Rumania, Moldova. Some of the girls are rather plain, but there're definitely model types.
When I first reached at about 5pm on Saturday, there was only about 20 girls around, with many more guys. At around 7pm, more girls walk in, and more guys too, and that's when things started getting hot. Eventually when I left at midnight, there must be about 40 girls. Lots of men too of course. I realise that this is not necessarily a bad thing. The girls are going nowhere anyway, so if you fancy someone who's currently with some guy, just wait your turn! I realized that I could wait at the bar next to the lady's changing room; when a girl's done, she typically would go there, supposedly to freshen up and keep the money from her recent fuck session. You can approach her when she comes out.
The decor is great, reminds me of an Arabian Nights harem. Did I mention that all girls are completely naked? Except for perhaps some loin cloth or other pieces of fabric to enhance their nakedness. So no cellulite on thighs or birthmarks will go undetected. This is the great thing about FKK versus other places. There are girls lounging on their back with open legs, their pussy in full view. There's no drug scene, as far as I can see. Alcohol is not free, only Coke, Sprite, 7-Up etc come with the entrance fee.
Dinner was served at 6pm (free also). Meat patty, pasta, bread putting. Some fellow hobbyist commented it's funny to see men with towel around their waist and naked girls queuing up to get food. Actually, everyone is kind of cool about it, so it's quite all right.
I lucked out with my first FKK girl: the famous Lina, from Czech Republic. She's a beauty, it was like making love to a sex kitten. She offered anal at 100 Euros, but I prefer to do the usual 50-Euro session first. Took dinner, before going for my 2nd session, with a Bulgaria girl. She looked bored when I spoke to her, which should have been a warning sign, which I overlooked. She started to upsell once in the room, saying that to kiss body, she needs another 50 Euros. Bad attitude. Got frustrated and didn't finish with her. My 3rd (and last) girl is Pamela from Panama. She's a dark beauty, enhanced tits, but has buns of steel, and good energy. It was great doing doggie on her.
Don't forget to visit the TV room from time to time. Porn videos are played continually, and guys lounge around watching them. Now and then, girls would come in to check out if anyone needs to be sucked on the spot. I saw a girl go over to a guy in front, and started to have full-blown sex with him. Girl on top, guy on top, with her finishing him with a marathon blow job that lasted, what, 20 min! The most amazing thing is that the other men looked nonchalant, as if such acts are commonplace. Of course they steal glances to the live sex scene now and then, but the coolness of everyone, plus the pure voyeuristic excitement, is mind-blowing.
All in all, I was there for 7 hours, from 5pm to midnight. Even if I did not have a single session wtih any girl, it was worth it for the unique, enjoyable experience. In terms of damage: 75 (entrance fee) + 150 (3 sessions) Euros = 225 Euros. That's great value.
My advice is no need to rush to "do" girls, wait to see all of them first over an hour or so, then decide who has the best looks and attitude. Note that the session typically would not last 30 min, once you've come, that's the end, so it could be only 15 min. But nevertheless still worth the while. I spoke to a girl, who told me that they pay the same rate as men to come into the place. I'll be looking forward to a return visit. Feel free to ask me questions.
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