Seeking Arrangements

You don't need to verify or do anything else. Just pay for diamond and you're now diamond. I would not have done that for much of the same reasons you stated but getting verified was not part of the process. If a girl believes the income and net worth someone states on that site they are dumber than a box or rocks and deserve to get taken advantage of. Same for the verification, it means nothing. Same as a guy thinking he's anything more than 1 in a long line of other guys she's talking to. It's part of the game and you're a fool to not know the rules or be willing to learn them very quickly.

Also, it's none of my business but if part of the reason you don't get diamond is financial this probably isn't the best way to go about getting girls. Depending on what you're looking for, you'll need money to play and sometimes a lot of it. If you go to AMPS or live near a place prostitution is legal and / or tolerated, add a zero to whatever you're paying and you'll be in the ballpark.

There are plenty of skanks and pros there but I can't comment on that because I wasn't looking for it. If you need some help; if they call you "baby" they are a prostitute. You're welcome.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2643296]Thanks guys for all of the detailed and helpful responses! Anyway you cut it, this thing sounds like a lot of work. But few things worth having come easy do they? I thought about the Diamond membership, but I'm not comfortable providing my personal details for the verification process. Not to a dating site that could get hacked or something. Besides, other people present different views regarding upgrading to Diamond status, with even one SB saying that she sees it as a negative sign that a SD has become addicted to the site (shrug). I'm going to start out slow. Get a free membership and just see what's out there in my area (not interested in foreign girls for sugaring). If I see enough cuties to keep my attention, then I will upgrade to premium and go from there. I realize that I won't get as many responses as I would from having Diamond, but I don't want to be swamped with more inquiries than I have time for anyway. I think a couple of hours a day on there would be enough for me. I see that SA has video and audio chat now. Has anybody used those, and if so, how well did they work? I would think that if a girl is serious, once she's comfortable enough, then she should have no problem with a video chat, unless the person on the other end is hiding something. Thanks again for the tips![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2643296]Thanks guys for all of the detailed and helpful responses! Anyway you cut it, this thing sounds like a lot of work. But few things worth having come easy do they? I thought about the Diamond membership, but I'm not comfortable providing my personal details for the verification process. Not to a dating site that could get hacked or something. Besides, other people present different views regarding upgrading to Diamond status, with even one SB saying that she sees it as a negative sign that a SD has become addicted to the site (shrug). I'm going to start out slow. Get a free membership and just see what's out there in my area (not interested in foreign girls for sugaring). If I see enough cuties to keep my attention, then I will upgrade to premium and go from there. I realize that I won't get as many responses as I would from having Diamond, but I don't want to be swamped with more inquiries than I have time for anyway. I think a couple of hours a day on there would be enough for me. I see that SA has video and audio chat now. Has anybody used those, and if so, how well did they work? I would think that if a girl is serious, once she's comfortable enough, then she should have no problem with a video chat, unless the person on the other end is hiding something. Thanks again for the tips![/QUOTE]Save your money, just buy a standard membership and put it toward some trips Mexico. MTY and CDMX are great. It does take some work, but it will definitely pay off.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2643464]You don't need to verify or do anything else. Just pay for diamond and you're now diamond. I would not have done that for much of the same reasons you stated but getting verified was not part of the process. If a girl believes the income and net worth someone states on that site they are dumber than a box or rocks and deserve to get taken advantage of. Same for the verification, it means nothing. Same as a guy thinking he's anything more than 1 in a long line of other guys she's talking to. It's part of the game and you're a fool to not know the rules or be willing to learn them very quickly.

Also, it's none of my business but if part of the reason you don't get diamond is financial this probably isn't the best way to go about getting girls. Depending on what you're looking for, you'll need money to play and sometimes a lot of it. If you go to AMPS or live near a place prostitution is legal and / or tolerated, add a zero to whatever you're paying and you'll be in the ballpark.

There are plenty of skanks and pros there but I can't comment on that because I wasn't looking for it. If you need some help; if they call you "baby" they are a prostitute. You're welcome.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. I thought that verification was a required process for holding a Diamond membership. If it isn't, then I will certainly consider it if I find that there is some serious potential in the site for me in my metro area. I can easily afford the Diamond membership cost bro. I travel around the world remember? Well before COVID anyway LOL! That said, I'm not interested in throwing money down a pit in exchange for nothing but wasted time and frustration. And again, as DramaFree’s post shows, there are differing views on whether Diamond is worth it. We shall see!

I am trying to use vanilla visa prepaid gift card to buy the SA subscription. Card keep getting declined. I don't want to use my credit card for privacy reasons.

Any suggested card to by the subscription and stay anonymous?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2643579]Thanks for the clarification. I thought that verification was a required process for holding a Diamond membership.[/QUOTE]SA is a lot of work but usually within the first 20 minutes of texting you would know whether it will click, I thought SA and Escorts in Europe were the most GFE and happy meeting I had, though it is more expensive I am more into quality and good feeling than quantity. I also cook for my SA girls and give them cases of beer or wine when they leave me so it sort of helps but it is expensive compared to FB in MDE for sure.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2643627]I am trying to use vanilla visa prepaid gift card to buy the SA subscription. Card keep getting declined. I don't want to use my credit card for privacy reasons.

Any suggested card to by the subscription and stay anonymous?[/QUOTE]Prepaid Visa or Mastercard: These function like gift cards and can be purchased at most major retailers with cash or credit cards.

Google Play payments via Android app: SA has an Android app that allows you to pay via Google Play. Additionally, there are usually Google Play gift cards available in most grocery stores that you can load your account with.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2643034]It's addressed to Steve who admittedly has more experience but I want to contribute to this.

SA is a colossal waste of time as with most efforts that involve high value results, diamond / asteroid / gold mining, those sand pictures that Tibetan monks make, Trump's wall, etc.

That said, the results have been inarguable for me and I am now a believer. Will not consider anything less than a 9; my time, my money, my fantasy. I'll drop to an 8 mongering in any corner of the planet but when I'm at home it's the best or nothing. I'm not desperate so I'll hold out for what I want.

Had two 1 month stints one year apart. First was normal membership, second was diamond. Normal membership was a complete waste of time. Met 3 in person, none of whom looked like their profile pics, had an arrangement with 1 for about 3 months but nothing spectacular more about the novelty. To get to those 3 I sifted through hours and hours of profiles, fakers, being stood up, etc. Massive time waste and I'm a fairly busy person. Almost no one contacted me, I had to initiate almost always with negative results.

Second was far more interesting. 1 mo diamond membership. I had 50+ a day come to me for the first two weeks then slowed quite a bit. I literally spent 4-5 hrs / day going through them and communicating. Most were garbage profiles from pick a poor country on the planet or "rich" US cities but were easy to spot and block. I was sniped fairly regularly by really attractive college aged girls who don't allow their profiles to be found but they'll contact you when something catches their eye. Frankly I was and still am shocked at the quality of girls that I've found, in the best way possible. Cute, girl next door, can have anyone she wants and knows it but is sitting in my house telling me how great it would be to hang out there for several hours a few times a month.

Your Questions:

Duds. Tons, 90% Or, I'd have an otherwise great conversation for 30 min, not say anything remotely controversial or piss her off and she disappeared never to be seen again. These are the worst because they take up the most time. So of the 700 girls I contacted or contacted me. Maybe 10-15 turned into real actionable conversations where a meeting was discussed let alone sex. Again, 9+ for me and these girls are not prostitutes so you may need to meet them twice before you see anything interesting and I wouldn't pay anything until that time. I'm fine with this because I want a mental connection, real or not I don't care but getting my rocks off in an hour or two does not interest me (especially at SA prices!) Too many other cheaper and more convenient ways to do that if I that's the goal. These college girls are charming, ambitious, and driven. Also really independent. I've met 6 in person so far and they all have those traits in common. A flashy car is not enough to get their attention, also they don't really care about gifts. They have goals and those goals need to be funded. I meet the 7th today (a 20's Dr according to her, chemistry has been incredible chatting; we chatted for almost 3 hrs yesterday and yes, I believe she is a Dr as I have an advanced degree and it's hard to hold my attention that long on a fuckin phone). 4 in my home town. 3 in other countries. They are all gorgeous and total GF material but I am not a juggler, I'm looking for 1 with incredible chemistry but haven't had sex with all yet to make a decision. The 3 in other countries are a different situation so it's less about the long game but I was up front about it and it hasn't been a problem. I met one in a foreign country for what was supposed to be dinner and extras but she ended up going home after 12 hours the next morning. * She curled up next to me after about 2. 5 straight hours of going through my whole playbook and I was in heaven. My lips were sore all next day because she couldn't suck on my lips enough. I'd pull away and she'd come right back at me for hours.

Pics. Going to change this topic slightly. So what was the difference between my first stint and my second stint? Diamond makes a difference. If I were a girl looking for reliable funds I wouldn't give someone the time of day with the cheapest profile type. A fast food worker can afford standard. Also I used real pics that were unhidden. Shows them I'm not playing games. Yes it's personally risky but I wanted results and I got them in spades. Also, my profile was extremely detailed. I put what I wanted, what was important to me, what I was willing to do as far as specific situations I was willing to assist with (not actual numbers) and what she needed to look like. I got tons of feedback telling me how they appreciated how easy it was to figure out if they were a match with me due to the level of detail I put out there. As far as moving to another app, if that doesn't come up in the first 10 lines she's probably a time waster. The serious ones are ready to move forward immediately. The lag on that stupid app is frustrating as hell when you're trying to text real time and you can't discuss specifics without risking being banned. So move forward, if she won't give you her number or ID for whatever app you're using. Move on. I had no issue giving my real number to anyone and I've got pages of sms texts and pictures to show for it.

My dating life has been insane the last month. I have enough contacts and backup contacts I can mine for several months so I let my account lapse and deleted it already. Overall I'm really happy with how I played it and the results I got.

Also this might help. There are 5 types of agenda on that site.

Party girls. Looking for a good time "luxury lifestyle" and a bunch of overpriced shit in their closet.

Desperate girls. Drug addicts & single moms.

Time wasters. Their "friend" told them about the site and they're "trying it out".

Delusional girls. Expect someone to "keep" them.

Goal driven - (my fav) college costs x, rent is why, I make a, and I need be. I have no issue at all helping girls like this. I don't think it's reasonable to expect something tangible not change hands in a relationship where the parties are so far off from an economic perspective. If you're looking to get laid for the cheapest price this really isn't the place. There are exceptions to everything so don't tell me how you got a 10 for a bag of pasta and a can of tomato sauce. I don't care. But I've found some real legit wife material here. Just girls without the means and no help from family. There's nothing wrong in my book using what you've got to get what you want and I admire them for their courage.

Good luck boys. That site was a blast but it's more time than I have (to get the best results) and I would be more than happy to have one of the 3 I have on the line for several years once I finally make a decision. They are all stunner trophy material.[/QUOTE]Damn dude, great insights here. I enjoyed reading this a lot. I joined the site and spent a lot of time on it for the 2 months I was able to keep a standard premium subscription active before getting banned. I made some mistakes but that's water under the bridge now. Anyhow, I spent significant time texting with a couple of girls in Montreal, and met one last week, my first SA experience.

We had great chemistry over text, exchanged pics and she sent me the casual pic or video to keep my interest, nothing naked though so that gave me hope this wasn't a pro. Standard story about being a student, with an office job and looking to supplement income for rent and stuff. Was ok with meeting for dinner and drink first then maybe more. Kept in touch and agreed to a FaceTime call 2 days prior to my trip, it went fine and she looked good close to her pics minus make up which to me was a positive.

I arrived, and the next day we agreed to meet at a place near my hotel. I get there first and she shows up looking very attractive and met my expectations. Very casual restaurant but she was well dressed, beautiful black lady with a wonderful body and piercing eyes. Dinner went good, not a lot of physical contact but after a couple of drinks we get more relaxed and head to the hotel for another drink. We finally decide to head to my room, and once inside we finally kissed, and then she starts to bring up her gift before doing business she said. I get pro vibes. We keep going and get undressed, prior to her giving me a blowjob she mentions the gift again, so pour her a drink, and place the gift on the side, apparently that bothers her because it's something escorts get? So idk at this point LOL. But then she gets naked and she looks better than I expected so we proceed.

Her skills are good, too good for a non pro. She tastes wonderful, and gives amazing service. Now, I admit I've seen a lot of pro action in recent months, so I'm very in tune to pros, and this girl never seemed nervous or missed a beat during the action. So who knows, but I think she's been or still is a pro. Then after I finish we hang out and suddenly she wants me to call her an Uber to go home.

She messaged when she arrived home to wish me good night, and we spent about 5 hours together so I have no complaints. But, was the time invested prior worth the experience? I don't know. I've since fucked another 7 girls here, and honestly I'm not sure I'll remember this experience more than the others, but maybe I just had a bad date. The cost was only about 2 hours worth with a pro here in Montreal, and she looked about a solid 8.

Anyhow, if I was still on the site maybe I would try my luck again, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze, at least I can't say that yet. Or maybe I just fuck too many pros and can't appreciate a normal girl because of it LOL.

So you've just summarized the moral of every monger's story. Doesn't matter how much due diligence you do, how much you or she lie, how much you pay, where you do it what language you speak, or where you're each from. If there's no chemistry or a questionable vibe when the clothes are off then you've probably wasted your time and money. And you never know for sure until then.

Interestingly enough, in my considerable mongering life, the best sex I've ever had was with girls that didn't speak my language and I did not or barely spoke theirs.

I think you're right about her being a pro too. The good ones are exceptionally good at small talk and sinking the hook but it's hard to fake real enjoyment; that's usually when you can make them.

I have the discussion one time about money at the meet & greet. I tell her that when we're together she should leave her purse somewhere obvious and sometime during the liaison I will sneak the money inside and we will never talk about it after that. They have all been fine with that but I give a pass at the first consummation. If they want to see kt, count it, etc I'm fine with it. She doesn't know me at that point and it's not an insult, she's just protecting her interests.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2643694]Damn dude, great insights here. I enjoyed reading this a lot. I joined the site and spent a lot of time on it for the 2 months I was able to keep a standard premium subscription active before getting banned. I made some mistakes but that's water under the bridge now. Anyhow, I spent significant time texting with a couple of girls in Montreal, and met one last week, my first SA experience.

We had great chemistry over text, exchanged pics and she sent me the casual pic or video to keep my interest, nothing naked though so that gave me hope this wasn't a pro. Standard story about being a student, with an office job and looking to supplement income for rent and stuff. Was ok with meeting for dinner and drink first then maybe more. Kept in touch and agreed to a FaceTime call 2 days prior to my trip, it went fine and she looked good close to her pics minus make up which to me was a positive..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2643694]Damn dude, great insights here. I enjoyed reading this a lot. I joined the site and spent a lot of time on it for the 2 months I was able to keep a standard premium subscription active before getting banned. I made some mistakes but that's water under the bridge now. Anyhow, I spent significant time texting with a couple of girls in Montreal, and met one last week, my first SA experience.

We had great chemistry over text, exchanged pics and she sent me the casual pic or video to keep my interest, nothing naked though so that gave me hope this wasn't a pro. Standard story about being a student, with an office job and looking to supplement income for rent and stuff. Was ok with meeting for dinner and drink first then maybe more. Kept in touch and agreed to a FaceTime call 2 days prior to my trip, it went fine and she looked good close to her pics minus make up which to me was a positive.

I arrived, and the next day we agreed to meet at a place near my hotel. I get there first and she shows up looking very attractive and met my expectations. Very casual restaurant but she was well dressed, beautiful black lady with a wonderful body and piercing eyes. Dinner went good, not a lot of physical contact but after a couple of drinks we get more relaxed and head to the hotel for another drink. We finally decide to head to my room, and once inside we finally kissed, and then she starts to bring up her gift before doing business she said. I get pro vibes. We keep going and get undressed, prior to her giving me a blowjob she mentions the gift again, so pour her a drink, and place the gift on the side, apparently that bothers her because it's something escorts get? So idk at this point LOL. But then she gets naked and she looks better than I expected so we proceed..[/QUOTE]I live in Montreal and occasionally use SA. Your story is similar to many others and I could conclude that she is a PRO. Most girls you see in SA here actually also works for escort agencies or massage parlors. They are low volume providers and find SA job more easier (due to the privilege of choosing their ideal client who is willing to pay at least $500 per encounter). From my experience, finding a gem through SA here will take lots of your time and money. If you are just visiting Montreal, it is better to stick with reputable escort agencies and massage parlors.

I've been on SA for about a year and I must say, it has changed my life. I'm banging higher quantity and quality than I have at any other point in my adult life. I've been doing almost monthly trips to Tijuana and to Bogota. In a workweek, I try to bang 2-3 chicks per day and I've been doing a healthy mix of new girls and repeats with favorites. I've got my script down so I am upfront that I'm looking for "friends with benefits" and that I expect our relations to be natural. That selects out a decent percentage of girls but I've built a pretty extensive database of girls who are down.

That said, I'd like to ask for some guidance. I'd like to try another city (within a reasonable flight from the east coast of the US). I LOVE skinny girls (under 100 lbs) under 25 years old. What is a good, fertile place for me to hit?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2644074]

That said, I'd like to ask for some guidance. I'd like to try another city (within a reasonable flight from the east coast of the US). I LOVE skinny girls (under 100 lbs) under 25 years old. What is a good, fertile place for me to hit?[/QUOTE]Short flight from the East Coast of the USA? You might try either the. Are. Or Panama. I have a friend that loves to monger, and he loves both of these places. But that is just one person's opinion. Maybe check out their forums to get a feel for the places.

For the USA market, I admit that it was tough finding gems. But to get one, you have to be a gem too. Luckily, it only requires three things IMHO.

First, you cannot be physically hideous.

Second, you cannot be an asshole (and on a related note, you do not want to do super bizarre weird sh! T in bed).

Third, you are in it for more than the sex. Like, you will actually hang out with her.

If you just want great sex with a hottie, then do not waste you time on SA in the USA. Instead, just go with a pro.

These days, I am just visiting MP gals (at their homes) before their shift starts. Otherwise, I have not been that active. It's cold where I live. Everyone is bundled up. Without seeing some flesh, I have lost my horniness. I need the skirts to come back. LOL.

What's "reasonable" to you for a flight? Time / distance, cost? Skinny under 25 girls are all over the planet so then you need to ask yourself what you like. White, black, Latina. Latinas tend to plump up fast so as a numbers guy I'd say that wouldn't be my first choice. If it were me I'd pick a large wealthy city in a first world country for the best chance of getting what I want from my post a few back. We are on the SA board so if you want a legit SB that's the way AFAIK. If you just want to bang a hot young girl and forget her name walking back to your car, pick a place where prostitution is legal or tolerated e. G. Deutschland.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2644074]I've been on SA for about a year and I must say, it has changed my life. I'm banging higher quantity and quality than I have at any other point in my adult life. I've been doing almost monthly trips to Tijuana and to Bogota. In a workweek, I try to bang 2-3 chicks per day and I've been doing a healthy mix of new girls and repeats with favorites. I've got my script down so I am upfront that I'm looking for "friends with benefits" and that I expect our relations to be natural. That selects out a decent percentage of girls but I've built a pretty extensive database of girls who are down.

That said, I'd like to ask for some guidance. I'd like to try another city (within a reasonable flight from the east coast of the US). I LOVE skinny girls (under 100 lbs) under 25 years old. What is a good, fertile place for me to hit?[/QUOTE]

At their home? Don't they live there (at least the AMPS)? That's a whole new level of game for me. Congrats. If you need a padawan I'm willing to polish your lightsaber in exchange for training in that side of the force.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2644111]These days, I am just visiting MP gals (at their homes) before their shift starts. Otherwise, I have not been that active. It's cold where I live. Everyone is bundled up. Without seeing some flesh, I have lost my horniness. I need the skirts to come back. LOL.[/QUOTE]