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[QUOTE=McGrath;2637361]One effect of the condom law was that it also put more tax to be payed by the girls so there earnings decreased. I know girls who quit Germany because of this and tried other markets. So it changed the scene with a lot of good girls quitting.[/QUOTE]Maybe more because of compulsory registration rather than CBJ. Some moved to NL or Switzerland.
Some members are saying the 2017 law didn't change anything and I would disagree!
I never paid more than 50 E for basic service (30 min BBBJ+sex) from 2003/4 - 2017, with Artemis being the only exception charging 60 E. I did occasionally tip 5-15 E but was never discussed before the room.
Hooker economics. The working girls will use any and all events (mostly bad) as a reason to charge more and I would probably do the same if I was in their line of work.
Ex. 1 - 2017 condom law.
Ex. 2 - COVID.
This logic is not based on supply and demand, which I learned in Econ 101 at my University.
I haven't been in 8+ months, but from reading other posts it seems like supply is still there and all the regular girls are still working.
Hooker economics and negotiation 101.
I just tell the WG's I want basic service and if they agree to 50 Euro we enter the room.
If they try and put a condom on me before the BJ I tell them I want it without, if they refuse I might walk out, if they grumble and moan it degrades the experience and we might negotiate for a higher amount.
In the last 2 years I'll usually make sure 50 E includes BBBJ before we go to the room and most of the time 70-80 E is where we both agree even with higher earners.
*Most of the higher earners will say no to anything less than 100 E at first! But after an hour and a couple of walk by's and verbal queues to go to the room they all give in and I usually hear something like.
"OK, I'll go to the room for 50-70 E with BBBJ, but only for you, just this one time. Next time it will be 100 E ok!
My advice to those who are new to FKK. Ask the receptionist how it works when you arrive. They will give you an explanation of basic service and prices. Or at least they do in most places.
Palace even had large laminated cards with pictures explaining what basic service was, for foreigners (probably Chinese), that they show you at the receptionist desk.
Always start at 50 and work your way up!
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2637441]Some members are saying the 2017 law didn't change anything and I would disagree!
I never paid more than 50 E for basic service (30 min BBBJ+sex) from 2003/4 - 2017, with Artemis being the only exception charging 60 E. I did occasionally tip 5-15 E but was never discussed before the room.
Hooker economics. The working girls will use any and all events (mostly bad) as a reason to charge more and I would probably do the same if I was in their line of work.
Ex. 1 - 2017 condom law.
Ex. 2 - COVID.
This logic is not based on supply and demand, which I learned in Econ 101 at my University.
I haven't been in 8+ months, but from reading other posts it seems like supply is still there and all the regular girls are still working..[/QUOTE]From what I read, seem to be now different rate for different guys. I was so surprised one who think to be a specialist at 6 or Samya and was with Sharks regulars, was so fucked for 100 for less than 30 mn by girls who are usually for 100/60 and didn't even want 150/60, couldn't regulars help him for usual rates? When I went to 6, not being a regular and working alone as always, my rooms were for 100/60 and even repeated for this rate, welcome by the elegant there. At least BBBJ is still very standard after German law, some girls asking: You want finish in mouth? And to try to save their vagina, but no CIM nor HJ for me when I like to fuck, good cardio sport for both. Easy compare to my real sport in steepest.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2637531]..., some girls asking: You want finish in mouth? And to try to save their vagina,....[/QUOTE]The girls may have wanted CIM not to save their vaginas but because CIM is more money.
A while ago there was some debate regarding tipping. Hahhaha Any white knight, who think they will get more or better pussy still making that argument?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2637644]The girls may have wanted CIM not to save their vaginas but because CIM is more money.[/QUOTE]Of course for extra 50, but some manage not to have sex, finishing very fast in mouth rabbits, when no girl can finish me in her mouth if I control with my hard belly. But sometimes, make like electricity in whole body, but not many are skillful enough to make this. My elegant at Sharks is really good for BBBJ with no extra asked.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2637644]The girls may have wanted CIM not to save their vaginas but because CIM is more money.[/QUOTE]I think maybe they want anal first to save that because the second time lasts longer. After that CIM is the next upsell. I don't know. Someone else surely knows better than me that does it all the time. Maybe CIM is the next best upsell if anal fails. They probably have it figured out. It is probably a matter of doubling or tripling the money for someone capable of doing it.
[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2637798]I think maybe they want anal first to save that because the second time lasts longer. After that CIM is the next upsell. I don't know. Someone else surely knows better than me that does it all the time. Maybe CIM is the next best upsell if anal fails. They probably have it figured out. It is probably a matter of doubling or tripling the money for someone capable of doing it.[/QUOTE]No girl never proposed me anal at Sharks and not even at Globe for extra 200. Too big will kill my ass.
[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2637798]I think maybe they want anal first to save that because the second time lasts longer. After that CIM is the next upsell. I don't know. Someone else surely knows better than me that does it all the time. Maybe CIM is the next best upsell if anal fails. They probably have it figured out. It is probably a matter of doubling or tripling the money for someone capable of doing it.[/QUOTE]A lot of girls don't do anal (but I always manage to find the ones who do haha). I would say the first upsell they will try is BBBJ. That's an easy one most girls do at the FKKs (if they didn't they would see their earnings tank). CIM is then an easy upsell from BBBJ, and I would say (depending on the region / club), you will find lots and lots of girls who will take CIM (although it was harder for me to get in the NRW). Next comes anal, which is the standard top premium priced upsell (I always have had expensive tastes), except for in the NRW region where it traditionally has been available for just 50 euros extra. But then again, once more I found it to be substantially harder to procure anal sex in the NRW versus other regions of Germany.
I did not mention kissing. I have no experience with this upsell because it's one I refuse to pay for. I never bring it up with a tute and have never discussed paying for kissing with a tute. That said, I have DFKed (and swapped saliva) with many, many. It's just that it's always been something that happened spontaneously between us, and that's the way I intend to keep it. So much more satisfying! And then there are the "one offs". Things I ordinarily would not pay extra for, but for some reason or another I just had to have it during a particular session. She wants to charge me more for it. And I got to have it! So I paid up. Very rare that ever happens with me, but I admit that it has.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2637827]A lot of girls don't do anal (but I always manage to find the ones who do haha). I would say the first upsell they will try is BBBJ. That's an easy one most girls do at the FKKs (if they didn't they would see their earnings tank). CIM is then an easy upsell from BBBJ, and I would say (depending on the region / club), you will find lots and lots of girls who will take CIM (although it was harder for me to get in the NRW). Next comes anal, which is the standard top premium priced upsell (I always have had expensive tastes), except for in the NRW region where it traditionally has been available for just 50 euros extra. But then again, once more I found it to be substantially harder to procure anal sex in the NRW versus other regions of Germany.
I did not mention kissing. I have no experience with this upsell because it's one I refuse to pay for. I never bring it up with a tute and have never discussed paying for kissing with a tute. That said, I have DFKed (and swapped saliva) with many, many. It's just that it's always been something that happened spontaneously between us, and that's the way I intend to keep it..[/QUOTE]Hi Cane,
I'm just curious to know how you negotiate for BBBJ?
What's your tactic, style, strategy, etc?
And how much are you paying for basic service? 50 E for 30 min or 100 E for 60 min?
I'm a 30/ min for 50 E guy and I try and negotiate BBBJ included in the price, now that the 2017 law has screwed up the pricing.
Sometimes I get it included for 50 E and I don't ask before hand I just get it and sometimes I negotiate before the room for around 70 E.
I've only a few times gone to 100, but that's very rare and if I remember correctly I received other services on top of basic.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2637821]No girl never proposed me anal at Sharks and not even at Globe for extra 200. Too big will kill my ass.[/QUOTE]Lara made me laugh: "No, not my ass, pleeease!".
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2637821]No girl never proposed me anal at Sharks and not even at Globe for extra 200. Too big will kill my ass.[/QUOTE]I shrunk and can't do as much with mine. I didn't get offered it either from being big. I am sure you are bigger than I ever was though. For me it is like I can't believe I did it anal with a few pumps. The women used to use their hand to back me off from going deep when I was bigger. I don't see that anymore. It is quite tragic but life goes on.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2638042]Lara made me laugh: "No, not my ass, pleeease!.[/QUOTE]I liked Laura a lot.
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2637942]Hi Cane,
I'm just curious to know how you negotiate for BBBJ?
What's your tactic, style, strategy, etc?
And how much are you paying for basic service? 50 E for 30 min or 100 E for 60 min?
I'm a 30/ min for 50 E guy and I try and negotiate BBBJ included in the price, now that the 2017 law has screwed up the pricing.
Sometimes I get it included for 50 E and I don't ask before hand I just get it and sometimes I negotiate before the room for around 70 E.
I've only a few times gone to 100, but that's very rare and if I remember correctly I received other services on top of basic.[/QUOTE]Well first of all, I'm an hour-long man. It's rare, rare, rare that I go for a 30 minute session. I just don't ever want to feel rushed. And when it comes to the price, I will typically save the negotiating around that for last. So, the first thing I do is make it clear on how much time I want, which is almost always an hour (never had a problem with this except at GT where some girls weren't as willing since per club rules they earned only 25 euros for the second 30 minutes in the hour versus 50 euros in the first 30 minutes). Then next, what I do is turn to the services that I want provided (again without directly bringing up prices). I start with the BJ, saying simply that I like "blowjob no condoms" (they all understand). If the girl says "OK" and doesn't mention price, then this is a good sign! Maybe you can get it with no upsell. Then next I move on to CIM (this is all going on in a natural, conversational kind of way with a smile on my face, and with other innocuous things thrown in from time to time to keep it light and friendly). If the girl doesn't speak English (or some other language I know), then I will point to her mouth and say "sperm, sperm" or "esperma, esperma"? They always get that, and are either down with CIM or not, and will tell you so. If the girl says no to CIM (or BBBJ), I don't react immediately, but I'm then trying to decide in my mind how badly do I want to stick my dick inside of her body? I then move on to anal if I'm in the mood for some butt hole (often haha). If I think she might not understand me, I will point to and / or squeeze her butt cheeks and say "ass, ass" (they all get that)"? Again, if the answer is no, then I'm trying to decide in my head if I still want to go with her. And we still have not had a full discussion on price yet!
OK, so at this point at least she knows how much time I want, she knows what services I desire to be provided, and I know whether or not she will "make" what I want for me in the room LOL! If the tute is amenable to all of the terms I've asked for, then only the price is left. And here's where mongers should do themselves a big favor by doing their own research and learning how pricing works in the particular destination country they're visiting and / or how pricing differs depending on how they are attempting to procure some puss and arsch (street tutes, RLD, escorts, FKK girls, etc.). If you can't find it here, then scour the internet and you will find that info somewhere else. Believe this. And with that knowledge in hand then [B]you the monger[/B] decide what your budget will be for a full session that includes everything you might typically want. For me at an FKK, that's 300 euros (give or take a little). To open the negotiations on price, I start by reiterating what services I want, and for how long. This serves not only the purpose of nailing down the price, but also reminds the girl of what I want her to do in the room (no excuses since I told her at least twice). And don't leave anything out! You want your ass licked? Then bring it up versus being too embarrassed to do so. These tutes have heard it all! But keep it friendly! I will usually try to do or say something to get the girl to laugh. If I feel like I want to munch on her pussy (I don't pay extra for this) or eat out her asshole (I like to do this in 69 and have virtually never paid extra for it), then there is this thing that I do with my tongue (stick it out and wag) and eyelids (a rapid flutter) that never fails to get a laugh LOL!
So, I start out again stating that I want one hour with BBBJ, but this time I say "100 euros" (leaving any upcharge out of my quote). If I think she might not understand, I will show her the watch on my wrist, make a motion around the face of it to indicate the passage of time of one hour, and say "100 euros". If she's good with it cool! I got just BBBJ with no upcharge! But if she comes back and says she wants 50 euros more (or some other amount that could be higher or lower), then I have to make a quick decision in my head, and if she's fine as hell and I really want her (or I'm just damn horny), I'm probably going to agree. Then, next I remind the girl that I want CIM, and will pay 50 euros extra for that, but I also make it clear that if I don't cum in her lips, then no 50 euros. I say "no cum, no 50 euros". Again, no problems with them understanding. Finally comes the anal sex. I will go "ass 100 euros", again touching or feeling up the girl's butt as I say it. Now, the girl can potentially decline to do any of the things that I request period, or she can decline to do them for the price that I quoted. If a girl won't do a BBBJ at all, then I'm likely to walk away from the deal. If she wants more money to do a BBBJ, then if I really want her, then I'm willing to pay an upcharge fee of up to 50 euros. But not all girls will ask for 50 and will take less. So, if you want to try to pay less, then another strategy is to get the girl to give a price first, or maybe she just blurted one out when you first asked her about it in the very beginning (she said 50 so you counter with 20 or 30). Same kind of thing with CIM and anal. A part of it will depend on what kind of mood I'm in. I mean, if I really, really, really want something and the girl says no, then I'm likely to walk away. On the other hand, I just may see somebody who's so, so beautiful to my eye that all I want to do is fuck her! That's how it was with Romanian "Raissa" at Samya in Cologne. She didn't do CIM or anal. I decided I didn't give a damn. I just wanted inside of that beauty, to have kids, and it was a good fuck too! And look at it on the bright side. At least you saved some money in the session since you didn't pay for lots of upsells!
Now, I know this might sound like a convoluted and orchestrated process to many of you mongers out there, but it really, really isn't. By this time in my seasoned mongering career, it's all become second nature to me. It all just flows. Sometimes, the whole process that I have described above can play out in just a few minutes. Other times, it can take quite a bit longer if you find a girl that you're really vibing with. So, it all gets kind of drawn out between where are you from, what's your name, have you been here before, what do you do for work, are you married, do you have kids, and blah, blah, blah. It just all depends. And never is it like painfully obvious that I am operating off of a "game plan". But generally speaking, this is how The Cane "negotiates" with these tutes! And when the negotiations have concluded? No more bargaining! Time for somebody to suckle on these nuts (I don't pay extra for that) and to get butt fucked!
[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2637942]Hi Cane,
I'm just curious to know how you negotiate for BBBJ?
What's your tactic, style, strategy, etc?
And how much are you paying for basic service? 50 E for 30 min or 100 E for 60 min?
I'm a 30/ min for 50 E guy and I try and negotiate BBBJ included in the price, now that the 2017 law has screwed up the pricing.
Sometimes I get it included for 50 E and I don't ask before hand I just get it and sometimes I negotiate before the room for around 70 E.
I've only a few times gone to 100, but that's very rare and if I remember correctly I received other services on top of basic.[/QUOTE]Because I'm a slow rabbit, my standard is 100/60 with full GFE DFK, DATY and BBBJ and I always try to avoid money talk which kill my mood and desire. On this year, I made exception 150/60 only for 1 girl who was really fresh supermodel look when she started on July, having 2 1 hour rooms on day with her. After, you can't decrease rate, even my elegant discovered after her, is higher level for elegance, charm and in bed, for 100/60 . No logic, just adapting to have 19 rooms with these 2 beauties. My 5 other rooms were for 100/60 even with German Daisi, even with really high GFE level Cena who would be one of the best and prettiest at Globe and she is full natural. With my elegant for 7 rooms, or Cena, we never spoke about money. I love such kind of girls. Angela is not pretty enough for me to worth 200/60 she ask and same for many asking 150/60 when I would not go for 50. But can still find some pretty and really good for 100/60, at least I was able on 12 rooms.