Rio de Janeiro Reports

So, I have had essentially the same conversation with the perola negra mulatas sisters, and with the morena. The goal is to make a market. In order to get one good provider from a tier 1 terma at a price of 500 pernoite, as a regular, you probably have to talk to 5-10 girls. You have to be consistent. It is like the options or commodities trading pits. There are the market makers, and there are the retail customers. The market makers are the owners / dono's of the markets, the ones who operate the house. They get market maker pricing and market maker leverage. For $100,000 in capital, they can control $10 million of stock and options because they know how to "offset" products. This is called portfolio margin at a broker like Interactive brokers, which is like the leverage that professionals who work on the trading desks of Goldman Sachs get. A retail trader who comes into the market pays cash for regular pricing of a stock, say the S&P 500. When you session with a girl in a tier 1 terma at the price in a tier 1 terma, 500 r an hour, then you mark yourself as a retail client. You don't want that. At least that is Vagabundo's view.

You calibrate your dick for a cost per fuck (CPF) in the prives. The cost per fuck is: 140 reais for and hour, and two pops, so 70 r is the cost per fuck. That is the CPF. That is the same CPF as VM. You can always get that CPF. The tier 1 terma girl know that is the professional CPF. They go through VM -- to Mosaico -- on their way to and from the tier 1 termas. You want to get inside their loop. You want to anchor at your preferred price. I have done that with some mini relationships by going to her home area, IE, to Zona Norte. ChocolateHuntr does this brilliantly by going to the samba schools to be a photographer. This is pure genius.

Since I have 3+ providers who will do my preferred CPF in pernoites or perdias, I just wait for my preferred price -- like a value investor, or like a market maker who is looking to do business at my preferred price, not at the inflated retail price that the girl is asking for.

The biggest winners.

IMHO, the biggest winners in this game are the ones who get their chosen Brazilian girl out of Brazil, back to their home country. Maybe for a trip at the holidays, maybe for part of a year to Northern Europe. Those guys don't post here or they don't post about their mini relationship. So take that for what it is worth.

I am just a "dude playing a dude" to quote a character I like in the movie 13 hours, which in turn quotes another movie, tropical thunder. I write a lot because I am here, and have been for 100 weeks. This forum is a great resource, as bubba boy has written about in his guide, and Sperto and jimmy boy have contributed to. It's a buffet at all cost per fuck price points, whether that is 70 reais per fuck in a prive, or at 500 - 1000 per fuck (crazy IMHO) in a so called tier 1 terma (I would again, submit that there is such a thing as a tier 1 prive, which differs in quality from tier 1 termas only in hours of operation).

What you really want, if you think you are a connisour of Brazilian bunda, IMHO, is to find the best, freshest tier 1 prive girls and to wife them up for a mini relationship when they first start working. That takes some game and some work. But it is fun, and it is worth it.

So, this recommends a plan. You get good providers from VM or termas. You tell them to come to metro jardim oceanico, and go to the beach there. Boom. That is it. You are done. I have done that with Ana foxxx, and my other regulars.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2654818]There's a great youtube channel called Czech in effect where the guy goes to different countries around the world and vlogs.

[URL]https://youtu.be/B2t824qAOlU[/URL]

This video is in barra but he goes to centro, copa and others parts of rio. For the many americans scared of going to rio or Brazil in general, its a pretty friendly place. The most people do is try to snatch your expensive iphone, gold chain or sunglasses. Petty stuff that you can avoid by not being a clueless traveler.

The gangs in rio are very aware that rio thrives from tourists money and so tourists are not targeted. Plus they don't want police trying to come into their communities (favelas but they don't like people calling it that anymore. They are proud people that are proud where they come from) they even allow tour guides in different favelas and warn gang members not to rob tourists or they'll have their hands cut off. The only people that will rob you are desperate young guys on bikes trying to make a quick buck from your phone. Centro is also bad for pickpockets because lots of homeless but again just desperate people and not criminals..[/QUOTE]

If you go to VM, sandals help because that place is filthy and you can wear them in shower. I think that is good information. But if you only go to Solarium, then you can ignore it.

That is why I say context is useful for answering question. Pants, backpack are all valid topics under the right context. Hope that clears things up.

I consider it a form of flattery -- imitation is the highest flattery -- that my gear list attracts attention even from the apparent local (with 3 posts).

That said, as long as we are on the subject, let me add:

1. Nounce was a great wingman, and what he says about sandals in VM are important. The type of sandals -- the trekking sandals from decathlon which some members who came to town bought in trips with me -- are good but don't give lower back support on long walks.

Oh, and those sandals. You can box in them. Vagabundo hangs a heavy bag in the pool at Transamerica, and hits the bag, and those sandals are strong enough to box in, unlike the built to fail haviana flip flops which will leave you boxing / running in a street engagement. So, take it FWIW.

2. Yes, I have advocated 5.11 tactical gear, but actually my recommendation now is decathlon because it is a Brazilian and global brand, and French, which is the source of the euro libertine culture of which Afro Brazil may be the dying variant. Decathlon and to a lesser extent, Invictus.

You can mock the bombeiro thing but it really does work, as ready player 2 and 3 (from a Northern European country found, and they got compliments from VM and 116 hoars, as well as from actual cops, who laughed at how good a play that was).

The goal of wearing some bombeiro and vasco gear is identify friend or foe in the 6 seconds it takes for a criminal to decide to rob you or that next person. If he sees bombeiro markings (on your mask, on anything), or even lifeguard markings, he is going to move the fuck on to the next target. You are walking from Posto 5 to Posto 4.5 on av nossa senhora copa at 2 AM, and the zombie street people who carry broomsticks start shadowing you. You put on the leather gloves which go for 25 reais, and a bombeiro velcro patch. They are deterred. Thats better than being assaulted. Same with the other street crime in Copa. Or you could just move to Barra where none of that shit happens. Or Botafogo.

3. In the last 2 months, Belladonna took me to the mall, to South & Co and bought me 1200 reais worth of no insignia beach cloths. The cloths are like most Brazilian products, shit quality, they fall apart, small rips turn into tears. But I have a full set of cargo shorts, shirts, etc. That was like stage 3 of my wardrobe (stage 2 being a full 1000 reais of bombeiro cloths, which are actually super light, strong, survivable, etc -- every city takes good care of its firemen, and again, chicks dig firemen). Stage 1 was all the 5-11 gear and lululemon stuff I brought in my original loadout. That stuff still works fine too. Swiss Naval Infantry and Swiss Naval Intelligence are the best in the world!

But, hey, thanks for caring enough to mock me. I feel like a regular Franklin / Twain / Hemingway / Rogan-Tarantino influencer in this little backwater haha.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2655627]If you go to VM, sandals help because that place is filthy and you can wear them in shower. I think that is good information. But if you only go to Solarium, then you can ignore it.

That is why I say context is useful for answering question. Pants, backpack are all valid topics under the right context. Hope that clears things up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2655613]The biggest winners.

IMHO, the biggest winners in this game are the ones who get their chosen Brazilian girl out of Brazil, back to their home country. Maybe for a trip at the holidays, maybe for part of a year to Northern Europe. Those guys don't post here or they don't post about their mini relationship. So take that for what it is worth.

I am just a "dude playing a dude" to quote a character I like in the movie 13 hours, which in turn quotes another movie, tropical thunder. I write a lot because I am here, and have been for 100 weeks. This forum is a great resource, as bubba boy has written about in his guide, and Sperto and jimmy boy have contributed to. It's a buffet at all cost per fuck price points, whether that is 70 reais per fuck in a prive, or at 500 - 1000 per fuck (crazy IMHO) in a so called tier 1 terma (I would again, submit that there is such a thing as a tier 1 prive, which differs in quality from tier 1 termas only in hours of operation).

What you really want, if you think you are a connisour of Brazilian bunda, IMHO, is to find the best, freshest tier 1 prive girls and to wife them up for a mini relationship when they first start working. That takes some game and some work. But it is fun, and it is worth it.[/QUOTE]Tl; Dr.

Some of us like termas, leave it alone and stop trying to dominate every discussion and make fun of every other person who does things any differently from you. Your way works for you, cool, let the rest of us do things how we like and give it a rest.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2655596]You're in a terma, like say Perola Negra. Vagabundo and Chege (a great wingman) were last night. You sit down, and the hot AF morena sitting next to you is from Bangu or Bonsuccesso.

<sniP>

Here is my plan, and it has worked.
While you are talking to the girl in the terma, you open your smart phone to this site.

[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/rio-de-janeiro[/URL]

And when she tells you where she is from, you suggest to her that you go fuck at a good or very good love motel in the area near to her.[/QUOTE]Ok Vagabundo, let's cut to the chase because maybe I missed a key point in your colorful report. Are you saying you take Tier 1 Terma girls out of their Termas at night during their work shift and the Terma does not charge you an EWR (early work release, call it what you will) for the take out on top of whatever you and the girl have agreed upon for a romp some place else?

I would take my hat off to you if your say yes, but if you are merely collecting numbers so you can make arrangements to hook up with a Terma girl later after her shift or at some other time when she is not at work, I will say so what. That's no big deal. I do it all the time with Boate & Terma girls that I have already sampled in-house and who I want to see more of. It is simple and routine. After our initial session in the bordello I will exchange What'sApp numbers and I call the one's I really like after a few days to a week's time and arrange a tryst outside of the venue where we 1st met and got it on. It is easier to do with SP Boate girls because they are essentially FL's, but I have also made similar arrangements RJ Terma girls and I am sure many, many punters have done likewise.

Now this is just me talking, but I prefer to shag the girl or girls I meet as soon as it hits me that I want to have sex with them. Damping down my dick, collecting telephone numbers, and waiting until the girls are not working at their Termas ain't my idea of a fun night. I like to fuck my girls as the night progresses. Typically I will shag a girl in one honky tonk then a little later in the night shag another girl in a different bar or if the selection is real good like at Scandallo in SP, I like to do 2 girls in the same bar. I never collect numbers until I have had sex with the girl in question and I think I might want to see her again. Even then I end up with two many numbers on my cell that I can't possibly get back around to.

My good senor Xpartan.

You are right, wasting valuable time is a good reason to use uber. That of course assumes you are a visitor, but that's another topic.

That said, I would point out 3 very good reasons to use public transportation.

1. Meeting new girls. Our colleague chocolatehunter has found new girls for overnights on public bus rides from places like Nilopolis. But, as we know, this man takes pictures at samba schools in faveleas and guides in fellow ISGers to do the same.

2. Some of my best memories and experiences are fucking that super hot morena in my ap in centro near uruguiana or in a love motel in largo do machado, and then following her, happy together in the street, to the metro, and after 2 hours of hot and good sex, going to take the metro, and seeing all the local guys on the metro looking at this hot piece of ass, and she being with me and liking it, and playing it off against the locals. This is the good stuff. I get that too with urban hiking from the girls house to a shopping in zona norte, going to mcdonalds or habib's or a local pizza place. Sex is of course a great exercise to raise the senses, the heart rate, and it is even better when you are with the chick for 12,24, or 72 hours -- and that means, for most of these girls, getting on the metro and riding it from metro jardim oceanico to cantagalo where she meets some guy named renan who, she says, is gay (a trend), who she hangs out with, goes to the beach, probably fucks or at least sympathizes wtih (because they are both sucking dick? But that is the real stuff. I like the times in between fucking 4 or 5 times a day, and tht usually means the bus or the metro even if most of the trip home is on a uber. Get in the uber, and go see her place. That's the good stuff -- to quote the robin williams character in good will hunting. I mean, I remember when I farted when I was in bed with belladonna, and I feared she would be offended, but she laughed and it was just a joke. You get those kind of moments when you take the bus or metro. Even if you are on a short trip, and you uber to go fuck the girl in the highest cost terma, hang out with her after her shift ends, take public transportation. That is the real test if she accepts and likes you. Get on that bus or metro to where she lives. There is a great line from a song by Capital Inicial, Quero dormir onde vc mora -- I want to sleep where you live. That is intimacy, because that is vulnerability. That's the real manifestation of BBFS, at the root level.

3. Riding the metro with the chick lowers the cost. If you are there. In Nova Iguacu, in zona norte. And then you, the boss who pays her after you fuck, says, we are getting on the metro at pavuna and we are riding it to metro jardim oceanico, then you just saved 73 reais on the ride from Nova Iguacu. You also showed her you have the balls to go out there. That is a good thing, believe me. That's 150 reais you saved, round trip. You could offer her 400 pernoite if you pay for uber, or 550 if you take the metro. You could make the same offer to 3 girls in a day, and on average, one of them will do it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2655204]There is no reason to avoid public transportation in Rio except one: wasting your valuable vacation time in traffic. Which is the reason I won't hesitate to take Metro, but I try to avoid buses. When I need ground transportation I call Uber or flag a cab. Saving a few reals is not a priority when you're on a short vacation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2655222]How is the tinder game in Rio. It didn't exist 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]So so for me, December 2021. Every girl quoted 500+, lots of flakes. I got on when I immobilized for a day and bored. Met one girl, cool as hell and repeated with her. Seeking Arrangement poor. Sao Paolo had much more variety / quality / cost effective choices for the online non-escort platforms IME.

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[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2655596]OK, sports fans. Huddle up.

You're in a terma, like say Perola Negra.

Vagabundo and Chege (a great wingman) were last night.

You sit down, and the hot AF morena sitting next to you is from Bangu or Bonsuccesso.

You know if you fuck her in the terma, she will be "anchored" at the terma price, which is 500 or 600 per hour.

You don't want that.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice VB.

I presume you meet her out front in case the girl flakes. What percentage do you say don't show? That's the only downside, but a risk always worth taking. You make it easy for these termas girls to score some bucks.

[QUOTE=Dobandun22;2655661]Tl; Dr.

Some of us like termas, leave it alone and stop trying to dominate every discussion and make fun of every other person who does things any differently from you. Your way works for you, cool, let the rest of us do things how we like and give it a rest.[/QUOTE]I think we already see this approach doesn't work. The post you quoted looks fine to me, relatively speaking, and he said is his own opinion. A different approach like encouragement to nudge him toward the direction you like may work better.

Another approach is members can provide better content as a competition. One does not need to be in Rio to provide better content.

I think he likes termas, he just does not like the price the girls charge. My observation is that he is one of the mongers that enjoy the facility the most among all mongers I met at 4 x4. He changes into rope, he spent time in the sauna to relax that many mongers don't do. He just does not like session in house due to price and he is telling people how to get around that.

I get numbers, and select my top picks based on where she lives. I tell her in the boate I want it bare, sem camisinha. I am clean. Sou limpio.

I send out messages, saying pernoite 500. Out of 3-5, I usually get one who is a player. All I need is one new one every few weeks because I have a few that I do weekly.

I respect your methods, and I understand you want to hit it right away. I just find that leads to her getting anchored at 500 an hour at Perola / 4 x 4/ etc. So then she comes back to that pricing at some point, and I hate arguing about money.

If you are only in town for 2 weeks, sure, just go for it. My views are pretty much bubba boy's views. He was here 7 years.

Happy hunting and peace.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2655664]Ok Vagabundo, let's cut to the chase because maybe I missed a key point in your colorful report. Are you saying you take Tier 1 Terma girls out of their Termas at night during their work shift and the Terma does not charge you an EWR (early work release, call it what you will) for the take out on top of whatever you and the girl have agreed upon for a romp some place else?

I would take my hat off to you if your say yes, but if you are merely collecting numbers so you can make arrangements to hook up with a Terma girl later after her shift or at some other time when she is not at work, I will say so what. That's no big deal. I do it all the time with Boate & Terma girls that I have already sampled in-house and who I want to see more of. It is simple and routine. After our initial session in the bordello I will exchange What'sApp numbers and I call the one's I really like after a few days to a week's time and arrange a tryst outside of the venue where we 1st met and got it on. It is easier to do with SP Boate girls because they are essentially FL's, but I have also made similar arrangements RJ Terma girls and I am sure many, many punters have done likewise..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2655896]I think we already see this approach doesn't work. The post you quoted looks fine to me, relatively speaking, and he said is his own opinion. A different approach like encouragement to nudge him toward the direction you like may work better.

Another approach is members can provide better content as a competition. One does not need to be in Rio to provide better content.

I think he likes termas, he just does not like the price the girls charge. My observation is that he is one of the mongers that enjoy the facility the most among all mongers I met at 4 x4. He changes into rope, he spent time in the sauna to relax that many mongers don't do. He just does not like session in house due to price and he is telling people how to get around that.[/QUOTE]OK, but as WyattEarp raised in another thread, do we need the constant drum beating? It's just tired already. As yet another said, give it a rest. And as you say, it's quite clear that one does not need to be in Rio to be the one offering the better content. Precisely. The content isn't necessarily the best just because you happen to be there boots on the ground. Exactly!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2655664]Now this is just me talking, but I prefer to shag the girl or girls I meet as soon as it hits me that I want to have sex with them. Damping down my dick, collecting telephone numbers, and waiting until the girls are not working at their Termas ain't my idea of a fun night. I like to fuck my girls as the night progresses. Typically I will shag a girl in one honky tonk then a little later in the night shag another girl in a different bar or if the selection is real good like at Scandallo in SP, I like to do 2 girls in the same bar. I never collect numbers until I have had sex with the girl in question and I think I might want to see her again. Even then I end up with two many numbers on my cell that I can't possibly get back around to.[/QUOTE]"Me too" LOL! This is how I like to do. Some do how they do. This is how we do.