Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie;1847848]So, apart from getting a fairly cheap holiday and some winter sun, there is not much point going to Sosua any more as whatever charms the chicas had once upon a time have dissipated with the current generation who smoke and have ongoing relationships with Dominican men, and are just looking for money to pay for daycare while they sit in bars. Oh, well, it was good while it lasted. The only advantage left over getting someone from Craigslist or Backpage is that it is legal in the DR.[/QUOTE]For you, that may be the case. For me, and others with sense its about being more aware of what one might be dealing with than just focusing on getting ones dick satisfied. But for some reason theres always a select few that have a problem hearing or being reminded about some of the unpleasant realities with SOME or ENOUGH females they seek short term gratification with. For some its hard to break from a Cap nnn Sav A Ho mentality and from protecting females indiscriminately. Believe me, I get it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1847860]Sosua is one big brothel, and brothels are places to visit occasionally for one reason only.

If you go too often, or live in places like that, you'll just get depressed, and end up with fleas.

Even the chicas don't want to live there! :)[/QUOTE]Sosua is one big brothel, huh? Thats quite an exaggeration, although I think I know what you are trying to say. I personally know quite a few expats living in Sosua and enough outside of Sosua. None of them or myself is depressed or speak about being depressed living in Sosua. And in addition more and more guys are contemplating retirement and seeking to live here. See? While enough dudes seem to have a one track or select mindset when it comes to why they come here, and think other men think as they do. Many others have chose to live here for reasons beyond the scope of others who may not grasp what living here has to offer besides the obvious. I know quite a few dudes who give me the impression that they think I'm suffering as if I only have women in Sosua to consort with. I do know some of them have become disenchanted coming to Sosua. My saying applies here in instances like this. WE CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. How one feels and what motivates them may not apply to me or others.

What they may not understand, is that many others living here, their aim in life, their interests, pleasures and enjoyments is not going to be focused on women 24/7. Living here one can become accustomed to doing normal things that they would do anywhere else they resided. Like I may have said earlier. Living here with juice all around, theres no urgency to get laid. The fact is, a dude can get laid here almost anytime, and he doesn't have to get on a flight to get here. With that, a dude finds himself appearing less thirsty, and in enough instances can be more practical or more sensible in his dealings when he decides to indulge. The best thing anyone can do if they really want to know what its like living here, is to ask those that do or come to live here yourself. They may get various answers but at least its better than assuming wrongly.

BTW enough chicas do live in Sosua or chose to live close to Sosua so they can get to work easier. And dont discount the likelyhood that more chicas wish they could live here, but there are things in the way. It may be more expensive to live here in a regular apartment. Not those stank rooms or hotels they stay in. Missing their children. Missing their neighborhood. Either way, nobody is confined to Sosua. Expats are free to travel within the country and abroad and miss everything they enjoy about living here.

Not to long ago I was staying in Sosua in a condo next to the Gansevoort Hotel. My girlfriend who lives in Puerto Plata receives a call from her father and he asks where are you. She tells him she is in Sosua in a Condo. All her father hears is Sousa, and he goes crazy and she tries to explain to him it is very nice where she is staying. He does not want to hear it. She gets off the phone and is all depressed. I said he has whatsapp send him some pictures where you are. She does and he calls back and say's that is not Sosua and she has to explain to him it is. When he finally realizes that it was Sosua and she was staying in a nice area he shut up! The point is that if you go to the back part of Sosua that is one of the best areas in the Dominican Republic. The beaches are better than Puerto Plata, Boca Chica, and Juan Dolio and comparative to Punta Cana. If you meet a quality woman, you can take her to that back area as there are a couple of walkways between some of the beautiful homes there and you can swim on what feels like a private beach. I never hear people talk about that area, but if I were thinking of retiring and buying a property that would be among my top choices. Do not sleep on the back part of Sosua. I have met some cool people back there who own some nice homes and have invited me over to stay and hang out.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1847951]Sosua is one big brothel, huh? Thats quite an exaggeration, although I think I know what you are trying to say. I personally know quite a few expats living in Sosua and enough outside of Sosua. None of them or myself is depressed or speak about being depressed living in Sosua. And in addition more and more guys are contemplating retirement and seeking to live here. See? While enough dudes seem to have a one track or select mindset when it comes to why they come here, and think other men think as they do. Many others have chose to live here for reasons beyond the scope of others who may not grasp what living here has to offer besides the obvious. I know quite a few dudes who give me the impression that they think I'm suffering as if I only have women in Sosua to consort with. I do know some of them have become disenchanted coming to Sosua. My saying applies here in instances like this. WE CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. How one feels and what motivates them may not apply to me or others.

What they may not understand, is that many others living here, their aim in life, their interests, pleasures and enjoyments is not going to be focused on women 24/7. Living here one can become accustomed to doing normal things that they would do anywhere else they resided. Like I may have said earlier. Living here with juice all around, theres no urgency to get laid. The fact is, a dude can get laid here almost anytime, and he doesn't have to get on a flight to get here. With that, a dude finds himself appearing less thirsty, and in enough instances can be more practical or more sensible in his dealings when he decides to indulge. The best thing anyone can do if they really want to know what its like living here, is to ask those that do or come to live here yourself. They may get various answers but at least its better than assuming wrongly.

BTW enough chicas do live in Sosua or chose to live close to Sosua so they can get to work easier. And dont discount the likelyhood that more chicas wish they could live here, but there are things in the way. It may be more expensive to live here in a regular apartment. Not those stank rooms or hotels they stay in. Missing their children. Missing their neighborhood. Either way, nobody is confined to Sosua. Expats are free to travel within the country and abroad and miss everything they enjoy about living here.[/QUOTE]Relax Wrexxy:

I just get tired of hearing about you complain about the people's attitudes there, rip offs, and the women's behavior. You choose to live there and I was wondering why.

Now you go 180 to defend it. That's better :)

I find good attitude, good service, and good sex there. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Revere;1847982]Not to long ago I was staying in Sosua in a condo next to the Gansevoort Hotel. My girlfriend who lives in Puerto Plata receives a call from her father and he asks where are you. She tells him she is in Sosua in a Condo. All her father hears is Sousa, and he goes crazy and she tries to explain to him it is very nice where she is staying. He does not want to hear it. She gets off the phone and is all depressed. I said he has whatsapp send him some pictures where you are. She does and he calls back and say's that is not Sosua and she has to explain to him it is. When he finally realizes that it was Sosua and she was staying in a nice area he shut up! The point is that if you go to the back part of Sosua that is one of the best areas in the Dominican Republic. The beaches are better than Puerto Plata, Boca Chica, and Juan Dolio and comparative to Punta Cana. If you meet a quality woman, you can take her to that back area as there are a couple of walkways between some of the beautiful homes there and you can swim on what feels like a private beach. I never hear people talk about that area, but if I were thinking of retiring and buying a property that would be among my top choices. Do not sleep on the back part of Sosua. I have met some cool people back there who own some nice homes and have invited me over to stay and hang out.[/QUOTE]What streets do I take to get to those beaches? Need to check those out.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1847999]What streets do I take to get to those beaches? Need to check those out.[/QUOTE]Take Argentina street. Look up on google maps and a couple of public entrances to the beach over there and more as you head away from Sosua.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1847577]Great detailed report Coupe. Some of which I share your sentiments. I will comment on a few details. Relatively speaking your month stay has afforded you a months worth of perspective to compare your previous trips.

I too have observed some things while living here. Mind you, this is MY opinion. However it might shed some light on a few things. My observation of chicas in Sosua these days is that many are NEW Jacks. Meaning, enough of them are generation X type females. They are less likely to be domesticated type females. The ones raised with domestic skills have been on a decline for a while. So what you get is more hip hop, new jack mentality females. Most of them grow up gravitating towards a hustle mentality than what many mongers were used to 5 or more years ago.

Even when Latins was open, the women there were a mixture of older chicas and upcoming new jacks. In fact, the new jacks may have been copying the style of the seasoned females that went to Latins dressed up. Another observation is always seeing vets with one or a crew of new chicas. Sporting them around, and showing them the ropes. Additionally, many young chicas come to Sosua on their own because they heard there is money to be made. That brings out all types of chicas. From too young, too fat, too skinny, too old, too ugly, more poorly educated etc.

From young to old, many chicas come to Sosua because they think they can make some quick cash. There are still enough chicas in Sosua that have been around for several years. They arent all new jacks. But many of them have incorporated a hustle like mentality moreso than working towards good service to get repeat business. Some are possibly looking for a WU novio or husband. A lot of chicas played it a different way. They got dudes interested in them enough to marry them, or provide enough resources to reduce their need for Sosua (until he is gone). I had two great regulars end up getting marriedin 2015. So factor that too. A lot of chicas got snatched up because somebody else found value in them too.

This doesn't mean the chicas are serious about relationships with these men. It just means these men are valued in that they take the pressure off of having to work that hard going to Sosua. The more suckers on the payroll the better. Mind you, this very female may have a dominican / local boyfriend that she keeps hidden so as not to spoil things with the fellas who are on the hook. Many if not most chicas going to Sosua have children. Most from a dominican male. She will usually tell you she has no boyfriend. Enough will claim they don't like dominican men. But most if not all have a child by a dominican man. And hes still hitting it. If dominican men are so disliked as they claim, then why are so many females having children by them? (Rhetorical) Its BS, that's all it is.

At one time, many chicas were anxious to get with a foreigner for a relationship. It still was about security, but it didn't have the hustle edge that it has evolved into. Now many want children with DR men. Want foreigners for money and resources, and want the family there to care for the offspring while the chicas run the street / work. With all that said, it makes sense that enough chicas in Sosua now are far less personable than years ago. Many can't even hide their contempt. Disgust, or indifference for those they try to extract moneyand resources from.

In fact, I will go on to say, that I don't think most of the hustlers, chicas, touts and moto drivers think very highly of foreigners, except for the money we bring. But they sure do a good job acting like they genuinely like their potential prey. In most instances, once it is established you provide no benefit, or future benefit, all of those warm friendly smiles and interaction may eventually disappear. You may have observed that within your month? Specifically the chicas. Their interest is more predicated on who may provide the most and the quickest benefit. In some instances, it may be those men you presume to be from New York. And BTW, since when does black guys in Rumba listening to HIP HOP, or urban rap mean they got to be from New York?

You arent aware that many guys who happen to be black, come to Sosua from all over the US? And that hip hop / urban music is listened to and enjoyed by blacks and others throughout the US and the world? Did one month going to Rumba, and your visits since 2014 cause you to draw the conclusion that black guys in Rumba listening to that music, mean they are from New York? What about the rest of the blacks in Rumba? Is there some significance to them being classified as New Yorkers, rather than just black guys who like that music? I will venture to say, its possible the DJs at Rumba play HIP HOP music so much because they drew a similar conclusion of their clientele as you. Many are black, maybe they dress a certain way? So they must like HIP HOP, Rap and they must come from NY. So HIP Hop Rap it is. To hell with us are&be (name your preference) folks.

Rumba may be considered a good pick up spot in general. But it doesn't have to be. A guy spending as much time in Sosua as you should have found other ways to establish hookups. It sounds like you were used to more desirable chicas being more assertive and made more effort to let a guy know they were interested. If so? I too can relate to that. But times changes. The rosters of chicas will evolve. The behavior and attitudes will evolve. A dude has to evolve with the changes. Remember, many of these people in and around Sosua are just acting nice and personable. Even if desirable chicas did approach more, it doesn't really mean much if all they see is a mark to exploit.

A lot of these chicas are doing this because they feel they need to. Not because they want to. And perhaps hustling is the quickest way they see to get some cash. We can't expect them to be able to maintain a personable act with us when deep down they probably resent us for them being in their situation. And its not like they get genuine care and concern from their clientele either. You know its business because no body is trying to get to know the other. In enough cases, names are forgotten after the encounter.

Since I've been living here my perspective has evolved as well. I'm not actively seeking to fuck as much as I used to. Now, I'm more laid back. I know now there is more to life here than pursuing juice on a daily basis. Living here there is no urgency to get laid. I get it when I want it. Now my interest leans more towards the quality of my interactions moreso than the quantity. If I wanted more quality I would seek it outside of p4 p and Sosua. But I like p4 p, and I like variety, and I love being single and detached. Like you, I do not like going to Rumba much. I do so sparingly, and moreso to chica watch or meet up with friends than actually bringing a chica home. The main thing is, I know pussy is all around me almost anytime I want it.

You mentioned later that you had some good experiences with some chicas. Thats good. Sosua is still a good time. Sosua is a constantly changing environment. One moment to the next, one vacation to the next Ones experience being in Sosua can be different as night and day. Changes that impact ones enjoyment are merely opportunities for growth and doing what's needed to adapt.[/QUOTE]WRX 2005, thanks for your comments about my report which were really interesting. I appreciate what you said about the new jacks moving in, and their relationships with the older chicas. That seems to make sense and would explain a lot. Also appreciate your details about their lives, their kids, boyfriends, families etc, some of which I knew from experience and from other mongers. but you explained it all very well.

Re. me saying the black guys are from New York and my lack of correct terminology for Rap, Hip Hop etc. When I first came to Sosua in 2011 I had no idea where any American's there came from, white, black or otherwise. However a few black Americans there NOT from New York told me they didn't really like being in Sosua because they felt out of place because almost all the American guys (black and otherwise) in Sosua were from the New York area. This was news to me! I have talked subsequently to loads of black American guys in Sosua, guess what, they are almost all from New York or nearby (New Jersey etc). Hence my generalisations! Re. the music, when I was in Rumba bar, most noticeably over the Superbowl weekend, it was totally dominated by these guys, and they all seemed to love the Hip Hop / Rap etc which was the only thing playing. So that explains my generalisation for this connection between them and the music scene in Rumba bar. Sure, of course many non-blacks like this music too, but not many of them can be seen in Rumba bar these days, that's all I am saying. And I can very easily tell the difference between American black guys and Dominican black guys (and Dominican's pretending to be American !). I speak pretty good Spanish and have been here many times since 2011. That's the problem with reporting here, if you generalise you will get into trouble, but if you go into massive detail or over political correctness, you won't make your point clearly and a report will be too preachy!

And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it? My tactics vary from saying 'No thanks, no, blanking them, why?, I heard you, I am not deaf, I am going 50 metres, no thanks I have legs, no thanks I am not fat or lazy! Maybe if more people talked back to them like I do, they would be more polite! Maybe their success is because the majority of the tourists are from the US? A country where walking is not favored, as like in the DR.

Over this month several times I have even seen the motoconcho guys having really nasty aggressive shouting matches among themselves at the corner opposite the ice cream parlour and along Pedro Clisante near the Europa hotel; pushing for position, arguing about money and shouting at eachother to get lost! Personally, unless you have mobility problems I think these guys should be banned from taking people around the centre. The authorities should think about legislating on them, instead of all their dumb harassing of the working girls. Cutting their numbers by half would be a good start!

I haven't really had any trouble form hustlers or touts, I think they know where I will tell them to go! I really can't comprehend tourists walking along who allow young guys to just latch onto their group, they should be told 'where to go' firmly, and maybe they will try to find a more constructive way to get on with their lives. I know that sounds harsh but helping them does nothing to help with this country's problems.

By the way I was with 7 chicas over my month, 3 of them several times, which is about my average. Most were great! I have the phone numbers and Facebook of most of them. Obviously they aren't worried about me seeing their friends, family members etc if they do that. A few I will definitely make sure to meet again!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1848046]WRX 2005, thanks for your comments about my report which were really interesting. I appreciate what you said about the new jacks moving in, and their relationships with the older chicas. That seems to make sense and would explain a lot. Also appreciate your details about their lives, their kids, boyfriends, families etc, some of which I knew from experience and from other mongers. but you explained it all very well.

Re. me saying the black guys are from New York and my lack of correct terminology for Rap, Hip Hop etc. When I first came to Sosua in 2011 I had no idea where any American's there came from, white, black or otherwise. However a few black Americans there NOT from New York told me they didn't really like being in Sosua because they felt out of place because almost all the American guys (black and otherwise) in Sosua were from the New York area. This was news to me! I have talked subsequently to loads of black American guys in Sosua, guess what, they are almost all from New York or nearby (New Jersey etc). Hence my generalisations! Re. the music, when I was in Rumba bar, most noticeably over the Superbowl weekend, it was totally dominated by these guys, and they all seemed to love the Hip Hop / Rap etc which was the only thing playing. So that explains my generalisation for this connection between them and the music scene in Rumba bar. Sure, of course many non-blacks like this music too, but not many of them can be seen in Rumba bar these days, that's all I am saying. And I can very easily tell the difference between American black guys and Dominican black guys (and Dominican's pretending to be American !). I speak pretty good Spanish and have been here many times since 2011. That's the problem with reporting here, if you generalise you will get into trouble, but if you go into massive detail or over political correctness, you won't make your point clearly and a report will be too preachy!

And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it? My tactics vary from saying 'No thanks, no, blanking them, why?, I heard you, I am not deaf, I am going 50 metres, no thanks I have legs, no thanks I am not fat or lazy! Maybe if more people talked back to them like I do, they would be more polite! Maybe their success is because the majority of the tourists are from the US? A country where walking is not favored, as like in the DR.

Over this month several times I have even seen the motoconcho guys having really nasty aggressive shouting matches among themselves at the corner opposite the ice cream parlour and along Pedro Clisante near the Europa hotel; pushing for position, arguing about money and shouting at eachother to get lost! Personally, unless you have mobility problems I think these guys should be banned from taking people around the centre. The authorities should think about legislating on them, instead of all their dumb harassing of the working girls. Cutting their numbers by half would be a good start!

I haven't really had any trouble form hustlers or touts, I think they know where I will tell them to go! I really can't comprehend tourists walking along who allow young guys to just latch onto their group, they should be told 'where to go' firmly, and maybe they will try to find a more constructive way to get on with their lives. I know that sounds harsh but helping them does nothing to help with this country's problems.

By the way I was with 7 chicas over my month, 3 of them several times, which is about my average. Most were great! I have the phone numbers and Facebook of most of them. Obviously they aren't worried about me seeing their friends, family members etc if they do that. A few I will definitely make sure to meet again![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it?[/QUOTE]Surely it is just like the guys who say "change, change", that they are just trying to make a living and making sure that you are aware of them being available. Sometimes I do want a moto in Sosua and I have a hard time getting the attention of one, so it cuts both ways. Also one cannot always tell if a rider on the highway is a motoconcho or just someone riding to work on their motorbike, so calling out "motoconcho" removes ambiguity. I cannot ever remember one being personally rude or abusive towards me, but perhaps I just don't pay enough attention to them to notice.

Can someone tell me why Americans here in the US where I am tonight keep calling me on my cell phone to ask for money to support the local police or firemen? Isn't that a form of intimidation, and would they do it if everyone cut them off? I have never given them money, but they never seem to learn.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1848050]Surely it is just like the guys who say "change, change", that they are just trying to make a living and making sure that you are aware of them being available. Sometimes I do want a moto in Sosua and I have a hard time getting the attention of one, so it cuts both ways. Also one cannot always tell if a rider on the highway is a motoconcho or just someone riding to work on their motorbike, so calling out "motoconcho" removes ambiguity. I cannot ever remember one being personally rude or abusive towards me, but perhaps I just don't pay enough attention to them to notice.

Can someone tell me why Americans here in the US where I am tonight keep calling me on my cell phone to ask for money to support the local police or firemen? Isn't that a form of intimidation, and would they do it if everyone cut them off? I have never given them money, but they never seem to learn.[/QUOTE]The guys who say 'change, change', you walk past them in 2 seconds, they don't come after you down the street waving their money at you! The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them, assuming you are deaf I suppose!? I would prefer it if I could tell them all once to all 'Get lost!' and that they would remember be, but I don't because A) I don't want to make enemies in potentially dangerous places B) I am not by nature mean or rude. I think I should get a T-shirt with 'I never go on motoconchos' (translated into perfect Spanish of course!) Yes, if you're talking about being out on the highway then that's totally different, I am talking about the ones in central Sosua. If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying.

Yes, by the way cold calling is a form of harassment as far as I am concerned. Luckily where I live in Belgium such practices hardly exist as peoples privacy is protected, unlike in the UK where it's probably as bad as in the USA!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1848075] The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them... [/QUOTE]Let me begin with the premise that I have not stayed in Sosua for more than 2-3 days at a time, in the last 3-4 years and so my exposure is limited. Having said that, I have never seen a motoconcho person screaming at me hawking his services. I found as I am walking the streets, which I do a lot, the passing by conchista beeps his shrill horn, I think twice, to draw my attention. I used to be rather peeved by that annoying noise and slowly figured out what they are trying to tel me with that and now I either ignore or if our eyes meet, shake my head. I have also not been chased by a gang of conchista either. The currency exchange guys on the other hand, as you state, always shout their "change" at a couple of locales and so I am a little perplexed that only a part of my experience matches yours. Now, it is possible that I not being a white skinned guy, do not get chased. On the other hand, I have this nasty habit of wearing shorts in that hot climate, which is a kind of dead giveaway. Moral of the story, I am a little surprised to read of these aggressive conchistas as I find them trying to earn a living but rather innocuous.

I don't know how people ride those motoconcho's, they look so damn dangerous, to many people rushing and speeding to go no where. I ride a sports bike and it's dangerous as it is even with full gear and a helmet. I can't imagine the death / injury rate in these types of countries with lax 2 wheeled laws. I feel sick when I'm in PA and FL, and see people riding without helmets, LOL.

The motoconhos harass people for simply one reason, high success rate. Out of 10 attempts, at least 1 has to bite. They also like to offer a lot more than a ride, so there's a bigger opportunity to make money than just 100 pesos.

I seen a guy have a kid walk him around with an umbrella when it was raining. I even rented an umbrella from a young guy for 50 pesos, he caught up a few blocks down to retrieve it, lMAO.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1848075]The guys who say 'change, change', you walk past them in 2 seconds, they don't come after you down the street waving their money at you! The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them, assuming you are deaf I suppose!? I would prefer it if I could tell them all once to all 'Get lost!' and that they would remember be, but I don't because A) I don't want to make enemies in potentially dangerous places B) I am not by nature mean or rude. I think I should get a T-shirt with 'I never go on motoconchos' (translated into perfect Spanish of course!) Yes, if you're talking about being out on the highway then that's totally different, I am talking about the ones in central Sosua. If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying.

Yes, by the way cold calling is a form of harassment as far as I am concerned. Luckily where I live in Belgium such practices hardly exist as peoples privacy is protected, unlike in the UK where it's probably as bad as in the USA![/QUOTE]Motoconchos are as big a part of Sosua, as are the chicas aoutside the massage parlors and the beach hawkers. I never get hassled by them in all the years I have been going down there, and my daily walks cover the whole scene.

Body language (a smile, a look, a slight hand gesture) is all it takes to prevent unwanted invitations to motoconcho rides, massages, and beach store merchandise. A form of politeness.

It works the other way round too, when in the city, there's a look that says, "I need a concho" .

A good example of this is the publico. I take it all the time to and back from PP. The driver can spot a potential pick up in a crowd of people on a street corner, there are no false signals, and no wasted stops for him. He gets annoyed if he has to stop for a false positive.

Get comfortable and familiar with the culture, and the chances of being hassled or ripped off, or stalked by touts decline drastically, actually to zero. YMMV. But as long as your attitude is "Get lost, to all of them", You mileage WILL vary. For some of us that like to get around town in the heat they are indispensable.

After all, without the appropriate body language, how could they possibly know you "never take motoconchos" or that you are "only going 30 meters down the street"? .

[QUOTE=Oakie;1848189]Motoconchos are as big a part of Sosua, as are the chicas aoutside the massage parlors and the beach hawkers. I never get hassled by them in all the years I have been going down there, and my daily walks cover the whole scene.

Body language (a smile, a look, a slight hand gesture) is all it takes to prevent unwanted invitations to motoconcho rides, massages, and beach store merchandise. A form of politeness.

It works the other way round too, when in the city, there's a look that says, "I need a concho" .

A good example of this is the publico. I take it all the time to and back from PP. The driver can spot a potential pick up in a crowd of people on a street corner, there are no false signals, and no wasted stops for him. He gets annoyed if he has to stop for a false positive.

Get comfortable and familiar with the culture, and the chances of being hassled or ripped off, or stalked by touts decline drastically, actually to zero. YMMV. But as long as your attitude is "Get lost, to all of them", You mileage WILL vary. For some of us that like to get around town in the heat they are indispensable.

After all, without the appropriate body language, how could they possibly know you "never take motoconchos" or that you are "only going 30 meters down the street"? .[/QUOTE]Yes, if you don't want a taxi or moto all you have to do is wave your hand from left to right below the waist palm down with the arm extended away from the body. You can also say "no gracias, amigo" if you wish.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1848075]The guys who say 'change, change', you walk past them in 2 seconds, they don't come after you down the street waving their money at you! The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them, assuming you are deaf I suppose!? I would prefer it if I could tell them all once to all 'Get lost!' and that they would remember be, but I don't because A) I don't want to make enemies in potentially dangerous places B) I am not by nature mean or rude. I think I should get a T-shirt with 'I never go on motoconchos' (translated into perfect Spanish of course!) Yes, if you're talking about being out on the highway then that's totally different, I am talking about the ones in central Sosua. If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying.

Yes, by the way cold calling is a form of harassment as far as I am concerned. Luckily where I live in Belgium such practices hardly exist as peoples privacy is protected, unlike in the UK where it's probably as bad as in the USA![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying. [/QUOTE]He might not know you are going 20 or 30 meters down the road. Often when people leave a bar it means they are going home. Anyway calling out 'motoconcho' is a bit different from getting in your face and actiing in an intimidating manner, which has never happened to me.

Regarding the point about cold calling from the police, I just mentioned it, because people are very quick to comment on Dominican corruption, but take it for granted that all kinds of weird practices may be accepted in the countries that they come from. Many people might find it very intimidating to have police calling them at home asking for "donations", or to have groups of firefighters approaching stooped vehicles at traffic lights and gesticulating that they want money. However when people are used to it, they just overlook it and forget it. When they travel to other countries, they are more aware of these practices, because they seem strange.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1847951]Sosua is one big brothel, huh? Thats quite an exaggeration, although I think I know what you are trying to say. I personally know quite a few expats living in Sosua and enough outside of Sosua. None of them or myself is depressed or speak about being depressed living in Sosua. And in addition more and more guys are contemplating retirement and seeking to live here. See? While enough dudes seem to have a one track or select mindset when it comes to why they come here, and think other men think as they do. Many others have chose to live here for reasons beyond the scope of others who may not grasp what living here has to offer besides the obvious. I know quite a few dudes who give me the impression that they think I'm suffering as if I only have women in Sosua to consort with. I do know some of them have become disenchanted coming to Sosua. My saying applies here in instances like this. WE CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. How one feels and what motivates them may not apply to me or others.

What they may not understand, is that many others living here, their aim in life, their interests, pleasures and enjoyments is not going to be focused on women 24/7. Living here one can become accustomed to doing normal things that they would do anywhere else they resided. Like I may have said earlier. Living here with juice all around, theres no urgency to get laid. The fact is, a dude can get laid here almost anytime, and he doesn't have to get on a flight to get here. With that, a dude finds himself appearing less thirsty, and in enough instances can be more practical or more sensible in his dealings when he decides to indulge. The best thing anyone can do if they really want to know what its like living here, is to ask those that do or come to live here yourself. They may get various answers but at least its better than assuming wrongly.

BTW enough chicas do live in Sosua or chose to live close to Sosua so they can get to work easier. And dont discount the likelyhood that more chicas wish they could live here, but there are things in the way. It may be more expensive to live here in a regular apartment. Not those stank rooms or hotels they stay in. Missing their children. Missing their neighborhood. Either way, nobody is confined to Sosua. Expats are free to travel within the country and abroad and miss everything they enjoy about living here.[/QUOTE]The thing is you often seem to post negative things about your experiences with Dominican and Haitian women, and you don't mention the positive experiences, if there are any. Perhaps one reason for this is that many of us, you don't post a lot about the positive experiences because that would involve breaching privacy of people who do not wish to be discussed on this board. However the overall effect is to create a rather gloomy impression.

Yes, it is true that if you go for a couple of days, you will probably have to deal with bar girls who are not always the best characters, but it is also true that there are numerous foreign men living in the Sosua / Cabarete area who have satisfactory ongoing relationships with Dominican and Haitian women, most of whom they met locally.