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[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]
However what is Palace like between 0100 and 0300
is it somewhat empty where ladies are more laid back and willing to please
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Eggs-ackley, unless it is a messe or party night, it does slow down somewhat at Palace, less so on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights I'd say. I don';t know about the willing to please part, that could be tricky depending on who you choose.
beffen
[QUOTE=Beach Fun Guy]Going back tomorrow for a second round. Guess I will be experienced then![/QUOTE]
Or maybe NOT! Face it, at the Palace there are many girls who want to rip you off. And management seems to never side with the males. Being more experienced does not help!
I am simply not going to the Palace any more.
[QUOTE=Nick The G]@ Hessen Bub:
Strange, but I knew [B]you[/B] would react. :-)[/QUOTE]
Strange? Why's that?
[QUOTE=Nick The G]Might be the case for LSH. Maybe in the LSH there is one, or even more, hierarchical level above the admins. Somebody has to be responsible (in legal terms) and do the business negotiations and contracts with advertisers, e.g. prostitutes, club or brothel management! I was thinking of these persons (mostly guys I presume!) when talking about free entrance or equivalent things.[/QUOTE]
There's no level above the admins. There's nobody taking advantage of free entrance into clubs. There's other ways to to business in an anonymous way. Ask the club management if they do know the LSH-admins or mods - they won't.
[QUOTE=Nick The G]As long as you are not one of those who run or own the forum, how can you know this? Are you involved in money transactions regarding the advertising on the LSH forum?[/QUOTE]
I do know about the LSH "P&L". So you either believe me or not.
HB
[QUOTE=Beach Fun Guy]
The girls do like to push themselves and upsell if possible. Only had one "iffy" experience with a good looking black girl from some where in the caribbean. We only did 30 min (wore my watch) and she claimed 45. No way, but didn't want to argue there by the door. It was a good time, but didn't like the dishonesty. [b]Gotta really have a watch and keep track[/b]. I learned on the next ones They want to "message" afterwards to add time and go over. Maybe I just took to long to use the full time. [/QUOTE]
If they don't know you they assume you are a guy in town on business or something who is able to be taken advantage of for a few extra bucks. I don't wear a watch normally but I carry in a cheap watch I got at Walmart and always show them the time. Then they know they cannot screw with you. It's as simple as that.
Hessen Bub, you are in there a lot. Is there anything you do to keep track of time or make sure girls don't pull that with you or do they just know not to try it with the regulars?
[QUOTE=Chicafan]Hessen Bub, you are in there a lot. Is there anything you do to keep track of time or make sure girls don't pull that with you or do they just know not to try it with the regulars?[/QUOTE]
Wear a watch, tell them what the time is when you enter the room. So you are on the same page. They do not pull this kind of things with the regulars. If they know you are one. Otherwise they try, but I do only pay what I get.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Otherwise they try, but I do only pay what I get.[/QUOTE]So if the session only lasts for maximum 15 minutes (like it does for us who only visit occasionally) you only pay 25 Euro?
[QUOTE=Flodhast]So if the session only lasts for maximum 15 minutes (like it does for us who only visit occasionally) you only pay 25 Euro?[/QUOTE]
No, you owe full 50 euro, 5 min or 30 min same price.
[QUOTE=SX Lover]No, you owe full 50 euro, 5 min or 30 min same price.[/QUOTE]
SX is right. You spend 50E for the first 30 minutes regardless if you last 5 or 29. So of course you are hoping to time it close to 30 minutes if you can, not finish in 18 because you're hurrying. I don't know exactly what Hessen Bub means by paying for what he gets. HB is there so much that it would not surprise me if he gets great treatment from girls he knows well and repeats with. But that is not the norm and more than likely if you go over the first 30 minutes by 10 minutes she's going to want the extra 50 in full(50+50). So if you go over, take your time and enjoy it and get the most out of your extra 30 minutes because you are going to pay for it.
If I wanted to try and cut a deal for a little more than 30 minutes at less than 50E I would have no problem asking. But my thinking on that is that it has to be with a girl that understands perfectly what I am asking for and agrees to it with no hesitation. I would look her dead in the eye before the session and make sure she agrees again inside the room too so that she's not just saying what I want to hear to get into the room. They are independent and it is their time to negotiate. It would stand to reason I want to try this with a girl I have sessioned with already and treated me well the first time.
I know some guys just go as long as the session feels right and just pay what it costs but I try to spend a little less if I can. I actually tried to find an interval watch that I could set to give me a simple signal at about 30 minutes or 60 or so I know when it's time to go. I don't wear my watch and really don't want to take the time to look at it in the sessions. It would just be nice to get a signal from it that 30 minutes or an hour is almost up so I can just relax and enjoy. Any ideas?
[QUOTE=Chicafan]SX is right. You spend 50E for the first 30 minutes regardless if you last 5 or 29. So of course you are hoping to time it close to 30 minutes if you can, not finish in 18 because you're hurrying. I don't know exactly what Hessen Bub means by paying for what he gets.[/QUOTE]I know this rule… I was only curious what Hessen Bub meant with paying for what he gets. Perhaps Palace has other rules only for their regulars and the girls can do what they want with us who only comes by once in a while.
Personally I can’t accept what happened to me last Sunday being asked for 100 Euro extra for intercourse so I will stick to other clubs in the future because this behavior does not exist in any other FKK I’ve visited (so far).
[QUOTE=Chicafan]It would just be nice to get a signal from it that 30 minutes or an hour is almost up so I can just relax and enjoy. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Well, get your self an egg-timer and wind it up. :)
[quote]Personally I can’t accept what happened to me last Sunday being asked for 100 Euro extra for intercourse so I will stick to other clubs in the future because this behavior does not exist in any other FKK I’ve visited (so far).[/quote]
To be honest the crap never ends. It happens in all clubs. I have had them try similar things at PHG, GT and World. I consider it an occupational hazard and if it happens once or twice a trip over a few Euro I figure I'm about on par. I'm not trying to let them off easy but there's always an angle the girls will find if they think they can and I find it almost impossible to be totally prepared.
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Well, get your self an egg-timer and wind it up. :)[/QUOTE]
You don't think I thought of that? I thought of how funny it would be to do that. Not that I'm in the clubs that often but if I were they would probably call me a "clock watcher"? ;)
[QUOTE=Chicafan]You don't think I thought of that? I thought of how funny it would be to do that. Not that I'm in the clubs that often but if I were they would probably call me a "clock watcher"? ;)[/QUOTE]I think that if you would bring an egg timer you would make a very strong impression on the Palace girls and the next time you visit after that they will recognize you (and your timer) and maybe give you regular customer service. :)
I have an old "sand" egg-timer that I might take along next time I'm in Germany. I'd have to turn it over every three minutes, though, so maybe I'd look a little old-fashioned.
Best to negotiate mutually and clearly up front that you are willing to pay for a 50 euro, 30-minute session. If she seems not to clearly understand this, best to walk away and find another.
As for getting ripped off (sounds like you did), about all you can do is take your case to the management. If they're indifferent or otherwise unhelpful, it's probably best to just cross the club off of your list. At least for a while, anyway. You'd probably get frustrated again anyway if you showed up a day or so later and the girl was still there. Bad vibes.
And don't feel singled out. Probably every 'seasoned' monger here has been ripped off at least once to some degree or other, either in time, service, or 'attitude' (which can change during the session).
[QUOTE=Whitey2]I have an old "sand" egg-timer that I might take along next time I'm in Germany. I'd have to turn it over every three minutes, though, so maybe I'd look a little old-fashioned.
Best to negotiate mutually and clearly up front that you are willing to pay for a 50 euro, 30-minute session. If she seems not to clearly understand this, best to walk away and find another.
As for getting ripped off (sounds like you did), about all you can do is take your case to the management. If they're indifferent or otherwise unhelpful, it's probably best to just cross the club off of your list. At least for a while, anyway. You'd probably get frustrated again anyway if you showed up a day or so later and the girl was still there. Bad vibes.
And don't feel singled out. Probably every 'seasoned' monger here has been ripped off at least once to some degree or other, either in time, service, or 'attitude' (which can change during the session).[/QUOTE]
... even those who have been at it for a while.
There are handful of clubs I feel I can let my guard down at. The rest make me uneasy.
This uneasiness alone detracts so much from my overall enjoyment of a visit that I avoid them or only drop in if my options are limited.
But to each his own.
Some folks might actually get a kick out of the uneven service and the negotiating which they have to do.
Its the same for guys who think the Laufhaeuser are the way go to despite the fact that FKK clubs offer better services and are safer.
The saunas usually do have those sand hourglasses which normally time fifteen minutes. I've never done it in a sauna though and I've not met many women who want to do it in a sauna.
[QUOTE=Chicafan]You spend 50E for the first 30 minutes regardless if you last 5 or 29. So of course you are hoping to time it close to 30 minutes if you can, not finish in 18 because you're hurrying. I don't know exactly what Hessen Bub means by paying for what he gets. HB is there so much that it would not surprise me if he gets great treatment from girls he knows well and repeats with. [/QUOTE]
Everything below 30 minutes is 50 EUR. For me, for everybody. I just meant I will not pay extra for kissing or DATY or 100 EUR for 31 minutes. That's all.
HB
With regard to Palace and the "rip off" factor I would just say that I have always had pretty good experiences there. Well, one "Dominican" gave me crap service. Another session was not great but I sincerely felt the girl did not know what she was doing and no coaching on earth could save the session. I have even had an awkward session where the girl and I just didn't seem to click. I don't consider those experiences any different than I might find at any other club. I've been in Brazil and had awkward sessions and a few girls that really just did not know how to "made love" well. It happens. When I show up in Frankfurt I'm usually tired and also somewhat satisfied from having already been to the NWR clubs. I have been to Palace enough that if all I do is repeat with the girls I have already been with and enjoyed(a lot) then I'm happy. If I get a real good vibe and throw in a new girl or two, all the better. I just don't mind repeating if I think I will enjoy the girl again. That's why I'm happy with Palace.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
Its the same for guys who think the Laufhaeuser are the way go to despite the fact that FKK clubs offer better services and [b]are safer[/b].
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Is Laufhaeuser a brothel like buildings in Frankfurt's RLD and if so why do you have to be careful of?