Seeking Arrangements

Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2644855]It is interesting to hear you think a $1000 girl is worth it. I am just sorta morally opposed to more than $500. Took me a while to even move from 400 to 500. I think it's also partly any girl who thinks she's worth 1000 has an ego bigger than I want to deal with. But maybe I just need to try it. It's the multiple days that will kill me. I budget about $2 K / month for girls which I know a lot of folks think is a lot. But damn if I just do a three day trip at $1000/ day I've already blown it.

Will keep weeding and feeding but thanks for the perspective.[/QUOTE]

I think I mentioned in some prior reports that I reengaged with Tinder, took a Platinum membership for a year. So far, the pickings have been slim. Anyway, most girls on Tinder are either on Snap or Insta and consequently I signed up with Instagram as well (with a fake photo). Normally I use FB for all my family / friend social needs like most middle aged people do. Anyway, I got hit with the following message on Insta from a woman this morning:

"How are you doing, I will like to know if you are interested been my sugar baby and I will be paying you $300 for your weekly allowance".

There you have it. I had my roles switched from being a SD to a SB now, LOL. I feel so cheap, objectified, dirty eww haha.

Anyway, I looked up her photos, she is White but out of shape, probably early 40's but looks older due to not being in shape. Unfortunately, I have to pass. Oh well.

I wonder how all the early 20's sugarbabes feel, getting hit up middle aged out of shape dudes. I got a small taste of it now (well, I am not early 20's).

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2644868]Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?[/QUOTE]Seriously, $1,000 ppm is a total waste. If someone wants to pay that much, their choice of course. Perhaps in San Fran, a top shelf girl may extract that much from a 30 something multi millionaire geek that got rich from selling a new age app company to a megacorp but not where I live; I have rarely exceeded 300 and with sufficient patience, I got the best girls in my area (away from the coasts). When I traveled to the big blue cities of NEast such as Boston I have paid up 350 but rarely 400; I have never ever given more than 400. If they insist, I pass. I don't need to fuck anyone that urgently. I stick to 18-25 White slim girls, occasionally fair skinned Latinos of the same age and body type.

For 2 grand a month, I can pretty much sign up any girl in my city for 5+ sessions a month. That is just the reality where I live.

Prices have declined in general through pandemic. Many girls are hurting. I have been on SA for 5+ years now, soon will complete 6. I don't know how many in this thread have been there that long. I discontinued my paid subscription through pandemic and rejoined a few months ago; otherwise I have been a paying subscriber the entire time. One really pretty 22 year old girl of Ukrainian extraction (she has been brought up in the US) even lamented "too many girls are in trouble, they are lowering the price, also many men have less income now; I never came down below $600 prior to pandemic but now willing to consider $500 level offers" She did a good market analysis and she was very pretty but I passed. Anyway, that is me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2644859]So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on..[/QUOTE]Too funny. Thank god, I do not have those issues in America. I debating about getting back on SA in San Antonio, but I just do not know. I have met a couple of girls in CDMX that have visa, so I can fly them in.

As long as it ends well it's kinda funny when your personal and date life cross paths. Happened twice during the holidays.

Time one. Driving with the wife and fam past the Hilton, all decked out with amazing lights on the trees outside. My wife comments how beautiful the lights are and I just say "yep". But what I really wanted to say was, "Yeah I thought the same thing this past week when I was fucking Uma and these lights were right outside our hotel room window!" But I restrained myself. LOL.

Time two. Shopping with the wife and fam at the local Athleta when a girl in a mask comes up to me and says "Hi, how are you?" My wife is in another part of the store but my mind is racing. Thought my babies would be smart enough to not engage in public! After a few beats, my panic subsided when I realize it's one of my sons high school friends! OMG. Close one. Not really but it sure felt like it!

And just like that, I'm [B]done[/B] with SA! I had been on there for only a couple of days with a free account. Which means that I was unable to communicate with anybody, and vice versa. There was absolutely nothing inappropriate about my account, and nothing of a sexual nature written in it at all! And then out of the blue I get "account suspended", and they want me to send in a government issued ID. Well fuck them! I'm not sending in my personal details to them! That site has been hacked before, and you end up getting exposed to blackmailers! Not going to happen! If I wanted to do that, then I could just go ahead and get verified, but as I said before, I don't trust releasing that kind of personal info to these dating sites that are full of fraudsters and time wasters anyway. Well, at least I didn't blow one thin dime on SA. I was just on the verge of getting a premium membership. Glad I didn't now. They can bite me LOL! Still independent and free! Happy New Year everybody!

I find no fault in anything you said but I guess I haven't made myself clear. What I want and what I pay works for me. I would never expect it to work for you or anyone else. I'm divorced, in decent (non dad-body) shape, have a gorgeous house, car and a little money. A catch really, don't want kids, don't want a family, don't want a girlfriend. I want to see an incredibly gorgeous engaging young lady 2-3 times per month (for an afternoon / evening and possibly sleepover). Note: that means less than once a week. I don't want to juggle girls as I'm happy with one who piques my interest and convinces me she's there for me and not my money (I'm totally open to being lied to BTW).

I don't want 5 sessions a month at any price. I also don't see anything wrong with helping said lady reach her goals in life. It's quite satisfying. I'm not leaving what I have to anyone in particular and I can only own so many pairs of pants and eat so many lobsters. Don't play golf or have have horribly expensive hobbies aside from, as it turns out, trying to make a legitimate connection with a girl I would have had zero chance with when I was in my early 20's.

So with all due respect 1 k is just a number and if you want to call it a waste it's your prerogative. I don't see it that way. I've spent that much on other experiences throughout my life and this has been money relatively well spent. I've spent 1 k on a single dinner before and regretted it. I can't say the same thing about my last 1 k liaison. She is a charmer and the experience lingers for days as it turns into a buildup in anticipation to the next meeting. I'm good with this feeling, might sound like I'm falling for her but having that all the time would lose some magic and I'm well aware of this and my own personality to know that.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2644927]Seriously, $1,000 ppm is a total waste. If someone wants to pay that much, their choice of course. Perhaps in San Fran, a top shelf girl may extract that much from a 30 something multi millionaire geek that got rich from selling a new age app company to a megacorp but not where I live; I have rarely exceeded 300 and with sufficient patience, I got the best girls in my area (away from the coasts). When I traveled to the big blue cities of NEast such as Boston I have paid up 350 but rarely 400; I have never ever given more than 400. If they insist, I pass. I don't need to fuck anyone that urgently. I stick to 18-25 White slim girls, occasionally fair skinned Latinos of the same age and body type.

For 2 grand a month, I can pretty much sign up any girl in my city for 5+ sessions a month. That is just the reality where I live.[/QUOTE]

Don't wear the mirror out or pull a muscle flexing tonight.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2644879]I think I mentioned in some prior reports that I reengaged with Tinder, took a Platinum membership for a year. So far, the pickings have been slim. Anyway, most girls on Tinder are either on Snap or Insta and consequently I signed up with Instagram as well (with a fake photo). Normally I use FB for all my family / friend social needs like most middle aged people do. Anyway, I got hit with the following message on Insta from a woman this morning:

"How are you doing, I will like to know if you are interested been my sugar baby and I will be paying you $300 for your weekly allowance".

There you have it. I had my roles switched from being a SD to a SB now, LOL. I feel so cheap, objectified, dirty eww haha.

Anyway, I looked up her photos, she is White but out of shape, probably early 40's but looks older due to not being in shape. Unfortunately, I have to pass. Oh well.

I wonder how all the early 20's sugarbabes feel, getting hit up middle aged out of shape dudes. I got a small taste of it now (well, I am not early 20's).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2644931]Too funny. Thank god, I do not have those issues in America. I debating about getting back on SA in San Antonio, but I just do not know. I have met a couple of girls in CDMX that have visa, so I can fly them in.[/QUOTE]Be careful with that. You need to make sure you establish a really good relationship with a girl before doing that or you could be charged with trafficking. The feds do not even need to charge you with a crime to seize any assets associated with suspected trafficking.

Make sure she says she is your GF when she goes through customs and you have photos confirming the things boyfriends and girlfriends do. She needs to know a lot about you and you about her in case you get called on the phone.

You know what I do for a living and I flew in a Mexican woman who was a lawyer. She dressed kind of provocatively (she always did), and even with what I do for a living and her being a lawyer these customs guys had a field day with her for a few hours. They put her through so much shit she was in tears for an hour after getting out. But she came a total of three times, and the next two times she came in was no problem.

I am not saying do not do it. Just be prepared for the worst. The girl needs to dress down, and you have to get a story where you met that was not SA.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2644868]Not saying anyone is worth 1 k. All I'm saying is that these girls are on this site for a reason. Look at the big picture and decide if it's worth it to you, no one can answer that but you. If you would have told me a month ago that I would pay 1 k I'd have said you're crazy. I've since seen a major difference between the girls with goals and the pros or semi-pros. I want to hang out with the goal driven ones and either that sentiment is reciprocated or they are good actors (don't really care honestly as we've never run out of banter and things to talk about). They have lots to say and are engaging company. I wouldn't pay 500 for a pro as there are tons of options where I live for quite a lot less if the goal is to bust a nut but that's not my style unless it's been months.

I can't do multiples in a day, I don't think I could do that in my prime. Honestly an A+ girl 2-3 times per month is all I want. Again, this is what works for me. We're probably going to spend close to the same amount and both get what we want so which one of us is right or wrong?[/QUOTE]A non-pro girl will want someone who can pay for all her expenses so she doesn't have to work. Ideally, it would be with one or two guys. Plus, higher prices tends to weed out the time wasters. No guarantee that higher prices is better, but you probably avoid the pros at that level. If you find a gem, it will be worth it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2644859]So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.[/QUOTE]Given how little you invested, it makes sense to play along. She needs the money. If you chase, she just asks more. Because she is not a bombshell, her options are limited. I predict she will be back. No reason to bail so soon.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2645014]I find no fault in anything you said but I guess I haven't made myself clear. What I want and what I pay works for me. I would never expect it to work for you or anyone else. I'm divorced, in decent (non dad-body) shape, have a gorgeous house, car and a little money. A catch really, don't want kids, don't want a family, don't want a girlfriend. I want to see an incredibly gorgeous engaging young lady 2-3 times per month (for an afternoon / evening and possibly sleepover). Note: that means less than once a week. I don't want to juggle girls as I'm happy with one who piques my interest and convinces me she's there for me and not my money (I'm totally open to being lied to BTW).

I don't want 5 sessions a month at any price. I also don't see anything wrong with helping said lady reach her goals in life. It's quite satisfying. I'm not leaving what I have to anyone in particular and I can only own so many pairs of pants and eat so many lobsters. Don't play golf or have have horribly expensive hobbies aside from, as it turns out, trying to make a legitimate connection with a girl I would have had zero chance with when I was in my early 20's..[/QUOTE]Yes, I get that and of course it is your money but my point was that the same girl to whom you are giving that $1 K would just as quickly agree to $500 if you held firm. I think $300 is a bit out of norm as my flyover country location is a less expensive place. So, if you held firm she would come around and you could have twice as many sessions, that's my view anyway. But as you said, your intent is actually to help out that girl, that is fine. BTW, didn't mean to insult you at all, hope you didn't take it that way. I was just expressing my views on pricing.

To be honest, much of what you wrote above suggests you are an ideal SD that girls die for. No girl considers me as such. I talk to hundreds of girls literally, and to me they don't trigger any emotions other than hormonal responses. I have a family, this is strictly a physical activity.

Of course, super high end escorts and models that want some money on the side may charge several thousands for a discreet thing. So, $1,000 is reasonable enough by that count. However, on the seeking site, I don't think such girls are registering, simply because their prospective clients are not on seeking. Most girls coming onto seeking expect less.

Also, the really fresh 20-24 slim bodied innocent-type beauties who are my prime spec actually demand less. For some reason, the slightly lower quality be grade types quote inflated amounts; almost all the ladies who gave me $1 K+ quotes were actually lower quality (looks wise) than the fresh beauties who are more in the 500-600 range. Most of my patience goes into snagging some of those 500-600 girls for 300+. If I flashed 500 in my region, I would pretty much not need to negotiate whatsoever, it would be generally a "floodgates opened" situation.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2645009]And just like that, I'm [B]done[/B] with SA! ![/QUOTE]Have you tried [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL]? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2645226]Have you tried [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL]? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.[/QUOTE]I have tried it a while ago, also secretbenefits and one or two other sites; personally I hated them. You got to pay for each conversation. If you speak with only one girl and hit it off and off the site you both go, then yeah they are great choices. On the other hand, if you talk to dozens of new girls as I do daily, easily exceeding 100 to 150 new ones a month (not to mention, keep talking to the older sugarbabes you said Hello, a while ago), then the money runs down fast. On [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL], for $290 you buy 1000 credits but each convo with a girl costs 10 credits and another 10 for seeing her pics I think. Which means if yoou see the pics and have a convo, you are out of 1000 credits after hitting up 50 girls. A measly 50. Sometimes I hit up that many in 2 days.

For 240 (and if you buy a discounted fare, then 180) for 3 months on SA, you get unlimited convos with unlimited # girls.

With the amount of time and convos I spent on SA, if I had to do the same amount of consumption on sugardaddy, it will cost several thousands.

Not to mention, the sheer # of girls on seeking is clearly way higher on seeking, at least in my city. I always said this can differ from city to city. It is possible sugardaddy or secretbenefits is better in some other city; I would not know.

You should always check out which site has the most doable girls in YOUR own city, in your spec range (for me that would be white girls in the < 25, with slim bodies). If sugardaddy has 10 times as many good girls in San Fran and London, it would mean nothing to me because I am not sugardating in those cities most of the time.

Anyway, I am not going back to any other sites. I haven't been on those other sites in a few years (tried out a few sites in my earlier years of sugardating) and know that seeking is the best for me.

If ever seeking kicks me out, I will use a different email and rejoin. Yes, I would be pissed if they take my money and kick me out but if you want to keep sugardating, just have to swallow pride / anger and go back to SA with tail between legs, no other choice of that caliber. Fortunately, SA still hasn't figured out to ban you permanently based on IP address. I don't think they even want to; their main intent is to appear clean to authorities so that they can keep making obscene amounts of money. They are probably quite happy to see paid sex as long as it happens OFF their site's chat boxes.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2645226]Have you tried [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL]? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.[/QUOTE]SA reinstated my account! I'm back with it. I will try it for like three months and see what happens. I think that's enough time for me to know whether I like it or not.