Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie;1848390]No, no, no! It is your responsibility as a writer to make your point as clearly as possible, anticipate any ambiguities and head them off, and to make life easy for your reader.

You are writing for a worldwide readership, some of which may not speak English as a first language. A phrase like "Generation X" has an accepted meaning that one can look up in various places. If you choose to use it in a way that means something to you, but nothing to anyone else, then you need to explain it.

If you say that a lot of the newest chicas on the scene that you are running into these days are deciding to start families with Dominican guys with whom they have an ongoing relationship, and at the same time say that they are not "domesticated", you need to explain what you mean, because it seems contradictory and is not obvious to anyone but yourself who is taking care of these children. OK. They might leave the children with mother and travel to Sosua to make money to send, but why have kids with a Dominican in the first place if that is what you want to do? If you could add in a few vignettes describing chicas you have met and how you were surprised by their lack of domestic skills, or that they left their Dominican boyfriend and kids at home while they went out whoring with tourists and what they said about that, or how you found out about it, then your meaning would be much clearer and it would be much more interesting, because you would be revealing how Dominican individuals function in their various roles.[/QUOTE]No Frannie I beg to differ. How do we know a message isn't clear enough for the masses? It is your responsibility as a reader to make sure you get a clear understanding before assuming wrongly and going off on a tangent addressing things having nothing to do with the intent of the writer. There is no way one person can meet the expectations of dozens of individuals who may all interpret something conveyed differently.

The truth is, only a select few have demonstrated a problem when the truth is they have a problem with the poster moreso than the message. Lets be clear on that. Its usually people who are too emotionally attached to the information. Let me ask you this. If you have a problem with something being clear, then why arent you consistently asking for clarity 1st before assuming wrongly? I already know the answer. Because your approach to discourse on the board is more like an alligator lurking in shallow water. When I gave a summation of my experience at the Bourbon Street restaurant, with info about the food, the ambiance, the good stuff with the staff, you were quite silent. Well there was much positive, but you don't have much to say when that happens. For some reason that info must have been crystal clear, but if I talk about something else then suddenly its negative and suddenly unclear to you? Is a lack of clarity really the issue here? Naw Frannie, you dont focus on the positive, the content or the intent, or its value to whom it may concern, you consistently look to nit pick for the negative.

In fact much of what people post. You don't address their positive as much as you look for something they said in which you can nit pick at.

So if I thought for a minute that you were ever genuinely interested in being clear in an exchange, it would have born its fruit by now. You get clarity if you seek clarity.

Ya know Frannie, you made me think about something. Kinda funny actually. For some reason when I pinpoint exactly my assessment and/or interpretation of your participation / representation on these boards, you never claim you need clarity. LOL. You may say, you don't know what something means that was said. But you don't or won't ask for clarity or an explanation. Why is that if you think I have a clarity problem? Instead you demonstrate by your responses you know exactly what was meant. Meaning, I dont think its ever about you arent clear about whats posted, the intent or the content, its something else you are focusing on. Now, if you would or could only keep things in their proper context when its not about you, can you see how much better our exchanges would be?

[QUOTE=Bubi1981;1848298]So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?

It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.[/QUOTE]The following is what I said.

"don't be mislead, there are more than enough white guys overpaying in Sosua. You can bet money, those chicas didn't go with them because they were from NY or because they heard them playing or singing HIP HOP or rap. LOL.

More than enough white guys walking out with dates from Rumba, Classico or wherever are paying some of those chicas up to and over $100. Surely I'm hoping they are also getting some of the credit for any shortage of desirable chicas to choose from? The chicas are gravitating to where the money is flowing moreso, not where you are from or your ethnicity. ".

You put your glasses on? Did you read ALL white guys somewhere? If you notice I didn't say ALL when it came to black guys either. Now you tell me. WTH do the words MORE THAN ENOUGH mean to you in the english language? Does more than enough white guys translate into ALL the white guys are overpaying? Not where I sit. This is why I think sometimes I'm in THE TWILIGHT ZONE. SOME muggs really can't read, and come at me with their twisted, distorted conclusions of what they thought they read? Frannie? How more plain does a mugg have to be for the reading impaired? Thats not my responsibility to train people on how to read.

Since what I posted went over your head sir, let me break it down. I was trying to convey to bro Coupe that white and black guys alike are both overpaying chicas. And that may need to be factored into the reason why the desirable chicas are going with them, and not those not flowing the money. That its not necessarily about where these guys are from, their ethnicity or what music they listen to. You got that now? So lets not read anymore foolishness or have any more knee jerk reactions that somebody is claiming ALL of any group. As far as who over pays more, that's debatable. That wasnt my issue. Appears to be yours. Does it make a difference? Were ALL men.

Since this was your mistake, what is your response?

Some of you guys need to get a room and slug things out!

[QUOTE=Bubi1981;1848298]So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?

It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.[/QUOTE]I'm anxious to hear some commentary from others on what this poster is claiming. That its mostly black guys or most guys from the USA who let the price rise and overpay.

He said before the black guys came it was normal to pay 1000-1500 for all night or the whole day. Is he right? Are the prices mostly reflective of black guys or guys from the USA?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1848424]I'm anxious to hear some commentary from others on what this poster is claiming. That its mostly black guys or most guys from the USA who let the price rise and overpay.

He said before the black guys came it was normal to pay 1000-1500 for all night or the whole day. Is he right? Are the prices mostly reflective of black guys or guys from the USA?[/QUOTE]Somewhere, back in the forum is a post explaining in detail why the price has gone up and will continue to go up. To summarize, because I'm busy, it's a combination of inflation and the exchange rate. When corrected for the 2 factors, the actual cost, in local purchasing power remains the same.

[QUOTE=Bubi1981;1848298]So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?

It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.[/QUOTE]Poster, let me throw this out at you. At the time there were very few black guys, what exactly was the exchange rate then? 30 to 1? 32 to 1?. 37 to 1? That means $100 got you less pesos than it does today. At 32 to 1, $100 was about 3200 pesos. $50 was 1600 pesos.

Today the rate is over 45 to 1. What is 3200 and 1600 pesos today? About $71 and $35 respectively. You think the evolution of chicas in the game, knowing the exchange rate has risen from the 30's to over 45 to 1 is going to stay stuck at getting 1000-1500 for all night or all day?

You blaming black guys and USA guys for Blackbeards and Field of Dreams letting the prices rise? How about the restaurants? Whose responsible for letting the prices go up? The rise of salaries, food, rent, hotels, airfare, taxis? Are mostly black guys and / or USA guys to blame for that too?

At present a guy can still get a chica toda la noche for 3000 (or less). Thats about $67. When the exchange rate was 37 to 1, 3000 pesos was about $81.

So if you ask me, the prices have not gone up that much. If anything, quality of services have gone down. What may have increased significantly is certain vets and expats fear of their paradise being invaded and having to share it. Especially when they are on a fixed income. I have definitely been a witness to a few Sosua vets complaining about NEW Yorkers (code words for black guys) fucking up the game. No consideration for changing times, inflation or the evolution of pay for play, or the chicas needs.

Now mind you, I observe a lot of men (of any ethnicity) wining and dining women . Which to me is unnecessary. That practice could be considered driving up prices as well. But I also know I don't own this paradise. I'm just a participant. Just because I may not like how others are spending their money, doesn't mean I need to waste energy complaining about it. I do what I got to do to get mine. If a dude is not part of the strong he is going to get ignored and suffer in misery. So a dude gets in where he fits, or gets left in the dust. On average I pay my regulars 2200 (sometimes less, sometimes more) for all night, and I get my place cleaned, served my meals, and an occasional pedicure and a massage. Thats less than $50 or no more than $60. Imma SAY IT LOUD, I'm BLACK AND I'm PROUD! LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1848430]Somewhere, back in the forum is a post explaining in detail why the price has gone up and will continue to go up. To summarize, because I'm busy, it's a combination of inflation and the exchange rate. When corrected for the 2 factors, the actual cost, in local purchasing power remains the same.[/QUOTE]Thank you dude. I wish I saw your post before I posted mine. I kinda touched on what you said.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1848405]No Frannie I beg to differ. How do we know a message isn't clear enough for the masses? It is your responsibility as a reader to make sure you get a clear understanding before assuming wrongly and going off on a tangent addressing things having nothing to do with the intent of the writer. There is no way one person can meet the expectations of dozens of individuals who may all interpret something conveyed differently.

The truth is, only a select few have demonstrated a problem when the truth is they have a problem with the poster moreso than the message. Lets be clear on that. Its usually people who are too emotionally attached to the information. Let me ask you this. If you have a problem with something being clear, then why arent you consistently asking for clarity 1st before assuming wrongly? I already know the answer. Because your approach to discourse on the board is more like an alligator lurking in shallow water. When I gave a summation of my experience at the Bourbon Street restaurant, with info about the food, the ambiance, the good stuff with the staff, you were quite silent. Well there was much positive, but you don't have much to say when that happens. For some reason that info must have been crystal clear, but if I talk about something else then suddenly its negative and suddenly unclear to you? Is a lack of clarity really the issue here? Naw Frannie, you dont focus on the positive, the content or the intent, or its value to whom it may concern, you consistently look to nit pick for the negative.

In fact much of what people post. You don't address their positive as much as you look for something they said in which you can nit pick at.

So if I thought for a minute that you were ever genuinely interested in being clear in an exchange, it would have born its fruit by now. You get clarity if you seek clarity.[/QUOTE]I gave you some suggestions that would improve the clarity of your reports, but you ignored them. Like I say, giving examples of actual situations that arose that led you to make your conclusions about "Generation X" and so on would help, instead of just dealing out abstractions. Give us examples of chicas you met who decided to have a child and an ongoing relationship with a Dominican and yet also decided to work in the sex industry. I know of one who was my neighbor, and she did not want me to know she was working at Kristal nightclub in Puerto Plata, but I saw her coming home early one morning in her makeup and glad rags, having left her husband at home minding the three kids. Obviously he knew what she was doing, but I guess they needed the money as they seemed to be a pretty stable couple and were sending one of their children to a private school. She also had a full time daytime job, and so did he. Very attractive woman, though I never had the pleasure.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1848435]I gave you some suggestions that would improve the clarity of your reports, but you ignored them. Like I say, giving examples of actual situations that arose that led you to make your conclusions about "Generation X" and so on would help, instead of just dealing out abstractions. Give us examples of chicas you met who decided to have a child and an ongoing relationship with a Dominican and yet also decided to work in the sex industry. I know of one who was my neighbor, and she did not want me to know she was working at Kristal nightclub in Puerto Plata, but I saw her coming home early one morning in her makeup and glad rags, having left her husband at home minding the three kids. Obviously he knew what she was doing, but I guess they needed the money as they seemed to be a pretty stable couple and were sending one of their children to a private school. She also had a full time daytime job, and so did he. Very attractive woman, though I never had the pleasure.[/QUOTE]Here's the deal. When I posted about new Jacks and generation X types, I was addressing Coupe66 specifically. Did you happen to notice he acknowledged and appeared to grasp what I was saying? Did he appear confused or need further clarification on those terms? No he didn't. It wasnt necessary. You know why? Those terms were just to make a distinction between vet chicas and the chicas with less time in the game. Sometimes people use common colloquial terms while expressing a thought. As long as you understood what was meant in the overall message, that is what is important. Not trying to look for a way to take away from the overall message. He seemed to acknowledge the totality of the post, got the gist and understood most of what I was conveying.

You on the other hand were not the main receiver in that post. You decided you needed to nit pick at certain words, and focus on that. Instead of accepting the point of the post. I didn't see anybody else claim they werent clear on what was conveyed. So once again, if you are sincerely interested in clarity because you have a comprehension problem with the info, the fruit would bear that. Since I know that isn't the case, I don't need to follow your suggestions, because your interest in clarity is phony.

I don't think I have much new to report, but here goes a few nuggets:

1) I am not into sport fucking; I typically go for one girl a night, TLN only. This has its pluses and minuses as the climate has definitely turned.

Against this mentality. I have only been going to Sosua for a few years, I never knew the feeling of the "old Sosua" that some of you describe.

But the trend seems to be for girls wanting to maximize the number of clients in a day; I certainly do not blame them as they are just catering.

To the demand (I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes). There still is fun to be had, but the change even from a few years ago is.

Very noticeable. As a result it is getting more and more difficult to find decent arrangements, I had to go back to contacting chicas from previous.

Visits to ensure the best outcome.

2) Since I only do TLN, the fun is finding things to do in the daytime. The best in my opinion is the 27 waterfall tour (if you want to go cheap.

And experience the whole 27 take a publico to Puerta Plata, go to the javilla tour bus station, tell them 27 charcos and they will let you off at.

The stop). I make sure that I do this once every trip to the north coast. I also did snorkeling on the beach, the cable care ride in Puerta Plata.

And zip lining (kind of a ripoff in my opinion) for fun. These were followed by a late afternoon or early evening sleep period, dinner and then.

Hitting the different clubs.

3) I arrived on Monday and left Saturday morning, for me this was entirely too much time. Going forward I do not think it is worth it for me.

Anyway to spend more than 2-3 nights there. I think I had more fun earlier in the week when it was less crowded; the crowds do certainly.

Pick up as the week progresses.

4) People have been saying the costs are increasing; this is certainly the case if you are looking for the highest quality in the looks department.

I had more than a few not budge from the 4,000 pesos TLN late at night figure, only to see them go off with others. The more average to.

Above average chicas can still be had in the 2,500 - 3,000 TLN rate (and probably are much more fun).

5) I did some bouncing around to different beach bars per usual, they still are not seeing an increase from the cruise ship. This should come.

As a surprise to nobody.

6) My next trip I think I will spend more time in Santiago. I was only there one night but the quality for absolutely great.

[QUOTE=Bubi1981;1848298]So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?

It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.[/QUOTE]Wow those mostly black guys or even most guy from the USA. Are uses to paying $200-$300 for a short fuck! Is that something you know or something you are saying. I was born in NY but raised in the sound. I was raised on Hip in the 80's. I know the difference in Hip Hop music from the north, mid west, west and the durty durty south influences. I have been coming to Sosua frequently with my NJ and GA crew all most monthly for 3 yr. As an man of American descent I can point out clicks from different areas? I met a lot. For the life of me I can't tell you much they have been paying for short fucks prior to Sosua. Hell I can't tell you how much anyone is going to pay that night. How did you conduct your survey (or maybe you used the force)? While you where walking around pocket watching and dick checking how did I miss your survey each and every time?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1848390]No, no, no! It is your responsibility as a writer to make your point as clearly as possible, anticipate any ambiguities and head them off, and to make life easy for your reader.[/QUOTE]That's not the intention.

Without belaboring the point, ambiguity is the friend of the dissembler. It allows one to be all things to all people.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1848720]Wow those mostly black guys or even most guy from the USA. Are uses to paying $200-$300 for a short fuck! Is that something you know or something you are saying. I was born in NY but raised in the sound. I was raised on Hip in the 80's. I know the difference in Hip Hop music from the north, mid west, west and the durty durty south influences. I have been coming to Sosua frequently with my NJ and GA crew all most monthly for 3 yr. As an man of American descent I can point out clicks from different areas? I met a lot. For the life of me I can't tell you much they have been paying for short fucks prior to Sosua. Hell I can't tell you how much anyone is going to pay that night. How did you conduct your survey (or maybe you used the force)? While you where walking around pocket watching and dick checking how did I miss your survey each and every time?[/QUOTE]Maybe it's just a function of budget, not ethnic demographics. Guys with lots of money will spend more than others on a tight budget?

I sometimes travel with a buddy who finds pussy so cheap down there, compared to taking the family to a 5 star in Cancun, that what he pays is less of an issue for him than getting satisfaction. By the standards here he overpays, but to him it's worth it!

Me, I have to watch my budget.

[QUOTE=ShoeStrngBgt;1848533]I don't think I have much new to report, but here goes a few nuggets:

1) I am not into sport fucking; I typically go for one girl a night, TLN only. This has its pluses and minuses as the climate has definitely turned.

Against this mentality. I have only been going to Sosua for a few years, I never knew the feeling of the "old Sosua" that some of you describe.

But the trend seems to be for girls wanting to maximize the number of clients in a day; I certainly do not blame them as they are just catering.

To the demand (I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes). There still is fun to be had, but the change even from a few years ago is.

Very noticeable. As a result it is getting more and more difficult to find decent arrangements, I had to go back to contacting chicas from previous.

Visits to ensure the best outcome.


4) People have been saying the costs are increasing; this is certainly the case if you are looking for the highest quality in the looks department.

I had more than a few not budge from the 4,000 pesos TLN late at night figure, only to see them go off with others. The more average to.

Above average chicas can still be had in the 2,500 - 3,000 TLN rate (and probably are much more fun).

[/QUOTE]Some folks don't like to hear it, but what you are witnessing is a reality for enough guys. ENOUGH chicas are into a business and economic mindset, rather than into building a customer base or relationship. Even if a guy gets a chica to do TLN there is an increasing trend of chicas that don't live up to the expectations there customers are hoping for. Even if a guy takes a chica for ST, and tries to feel her out for a possible TLN, he may have a rude awakening with her whack attempt at sex in morning. Or no sex because her body is like a slab of concrete. Or her deciding she needs to leave early, but demands TLN payment.