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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2645404]I have tried it a while ago, also secretbenefits and one or two other sites; personally I hated them..[/QUOTE]Excellent points. Thanks. I used another one called sugardaddyforme and that was awesome in some parts of the country like CA but really bad in other parts of the country but I agree SA is best. Need to take conversation off the chat and onto Whatsapp or so.
[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2645226]Have you tried [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL]? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.[/QUOTE]I've tried secret benefits and was not impressed. Def sucked money fast and no results. That said pickings in my town are super slim so giving [URL]Sugardaddy.com[/URL] a go. Girls are totally different than on Seeking. So that's a start. Signed up for the $60 minimum and spent $50 of it contacting a handful of girls who were active today and my type. This will clearly tank quickly or produce fruit. We will see!
This brings up two points. One I haven't discussed and one you helped bring up.
I can get, and have been quoted $300. Either by girls I'm not physically attracted to or girls looking for quick cash. I'm not interested in either of those so I haven't discussed here. If it's a purely physical release I'm looking for, $200/250 is about the min in my area. 45 min later I go about my day. I would not waste my time finding that on SA knowing how much work it took me to get to where I am today.
You have a good point about the $500 threshold. I'd always been told that the hottest girls almost always have self esteem issues and some may not have the gaul to ask for 4 digits in a ppm situation. Here I find the need to clarify. Of the 3 I am currently juggling while I make my final decision, 2 want $500,1 wants $1 k. My final decision will have nothing to do with their prices and everything to do with chemistry in personalities & in bed. Interestingly enough, none are interested in a monthly allowance, they all want ppm which has some security built in for me and I'm totally fine with. Probably helps them with a little guilt or whatever you want to call it when they bang someone else; I'm realistic about the entire situation but as I keep saying, I'm open to being lied to.
A lot of people will disagree with me on this but my attitude on pricing is really lax. I give them what they ask for. If it makes them happy theoretically they are happier with me and I get better service. As a business owner I can tell you that even though the customer is always right, when you get to a certain point you get to pick your own customers. That applies to the hottest girls especially. I have customers I hated dealing with and were aholes or whatever but raised prices on them until I started liking them. As long as they paid and kept coming back happy, who's getting hurt? Some of my most hated customers are now my most favorite, LOL.
If she thinks she got one over on me by charging me more than the last guy, great, she'll be happy until she finds someone else ready to pay more (again, realistic about what this is). But, if I start an already astronomical number (for her) AND I really genuinely like her, the chances that she'll shop around while I'm on the hook is much less (unless I creep her out but I really don't think that's going to happen, ego aside). The last thing I want is a girl to quote me a low number just because she needs something quickly, makes me "fall for her" then bails when she finds someone ready to pay $200 more. It's silly to put myself in a situation like that because I'm not willing to spend another 20-25 hrs per week on SA to set myself up in this situation again anytime soon.
Incidentally, I do intend to occasionally give her a little more than asking to make sure she understand there is more there should she ever feel the need to renegotiate. My time is everything to me and when I finally pick it will be as close to a commitment to a female as I'll probably ever make again. If I get 2+ yrs out of not having to go on SA again I'll be elated.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2645099]Yes, I get that and of course it is your money but my point was that the same girl to whom you are giving that $1 K would just as quickly agree to $500 if you held firm. I think $300 is a bit out of norm as my flyover country location is a less expensive place. So, if you held firm she would come around and you could have twice as many sessions, that's my view anyway. But as you said, your intent is actually to help out that girl, that is fine. BTW, didn't mean to insult you at all, hope you didn't take it that way. I was just expressing my views on pricing.
To be honest, much of what you wrote above suggests you are an ideal SD that girls die for. No girl considers me as such. I talk to hundreds of girls literally, and to me they don't trigger any emotions other than hormonal responses. I have a family, this is strictly a physical activity..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2645404]Fortunately, SA still hasn't figured out to ban you permanently based on IP address. I don't think they even want to; their main intent is to appear clean to authorities so that they can keep making obscene amounts of money. They are probably quite happy to see paid sex as long as it happens OFF their site's chat boxes.[/QUOTE]Oh, they care, believe me. Luckily you aren't one of us wandering in the wilderness trying to sugar without SA. I've tried all sorts of things to get back on including VPNs and changing all emails, credit cards, etc etc. But it looks like I'll just have to buy a different device aka a whole different phone.
I did a cursory look (free) into a couple alternative SDSB sites, can't temember the names, but I found the number of accounts that had girls I was interested in were very very small. As I live in a major city and wanted results to get on and delete my account as quickly as possible, SA seemed to be the only credible option.
The whole pay per message thing just seems really sketchy to me. If they can pay a bunch of Indian or eastern Europeans pennies on the dollar to develop these apps, why can't they pay a bunch of guys named Suhkbir or Boris to engage you to keep the money flowing in their direction?
Yes SA is expensive but I can't argue with the results.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2645450]I've tried secret benefits and was not impressed. Def sucked money fast and no results. That said pickings in my town are super slim so giving [URL]Sugardaddy.com[/URL] a go. Girls are totally different than on Seeking. So that's a start. Signed up for the $60 minimum and spent $50 of it contacting a handful of girls who were active today and my type. This will clearly tank quickly or produce fruit. We will see![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2645473]This brings up two points. One I haven't discussed and one you helped bring up.
I can get, and have been quoted $300. Either by girls I'm not physically attracted to or girls looking for quick cash. I'm not interested in either of those so I haven't discussed here. If it's a purely physical release I'm looking for, $200/250 is about the min in my area. 45 min later I go about my day. I would not waste my time finding that on SA knowing how much work it took me to get to where I am today.
You have a good point about the $500 threshold. I'd always been told that the hottest girls almost always have self esteem issues and some may not have the gaul to ask for 4 digits in a ppm situation. Here I find the need to clarify. Of the 3 I am currently juggling while I make my final decision, 2 want $500,1 wants $1 k. My final decision will have nothing to do with their prices and everything to do with chemistry in personalities & in bed. Interestingly enough, none are interested in a monthly allowance, they all want ppm which has some security built in for me and I'm totally fine with. Probably helps them with a little guilt or whatever you want to call it when they bang someone else; I'm realistic about the entire situation but as I keep saying, I'm open to being lied to..[/QUOTE]All good points. The thing about SA which I have emphasized a thousand times, is that it is a market place. It brings all sorts of people in. There are strictly window shoppers, people who shop only with coupons and rebates, volume shoppers, middle ground and super high end shoppers, and outright scammers and thieves, as any market can. Same thing on the service provider side. Every shopper needs to decide where he is at, what his desired spec range is, and what he will pay for it. To me, this is an unemotional process.
Through my sugarbabes, I heard of various stories. Some men never have sex; some just want to go out on dates; some were used for kink (foot, cleaning the house, etc). One really weird dude hired a girl I knew to kick him in balls (I don't know if she was telling the truth). On the slimier side, many guys want test runs (free ride the first time). One girl in Europe thanked me so much when I gave her the promised 200 Euros at the end of sex (she was unbelievable; she was with me for 2 hours and short of rimming, she did everything). She said in her prior 2 arrangements, guys had sex with her and then refused to pay. The world is a strange place indeed.
The reason I say the same girls quoting $1000 will give it away for $500 to someone else -- there are not that many men who pay $1000. So, a girl has to wait for a long time looking for one. If she finds someone like you and hits paydirt, great. But in the meanwhile there are expenses and she is broke, rent is due and car needs repair or she can't get to work and so on. So, she will cave in. Some may hold out but most of them cave in. $500 or 600 or 700 does not look too terrible even for superhot girls.
And in the early 20's or even 19/20 age range, some of them are immature and if you are sufficiently flirtatious and she likes you, even 300 is not terrible; this is most certainly true in less expensive cities. Kansas and St Louis and Omaha are not San Fran, NYC and Boston. Money goes further distance. Better yet, in these flyover cities, population is more white; when I travel to coastal cities, quite a few girls are not White in my searches and that takes me away from my spec range.
I doubt that your girls will leave you; no reason to, you are super valuable customer. Even if she found someone who pays $1,500 an outing, she can still meet you for $1,000. She does not have to disclose the other person to you. Of course, I don't know your girl and not all girls are bloody business minded, but the sensible ones would be.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2616168]I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing![/QUOTE]It's because you are in your 30+. I am 60 year old, my physical shape 10/10 even for 20 year old How much time do I have to fuck girls? That is why I can't afford to waste my time. My fuel is Viagra. In 20 years, you may start to think different. But maybe I am wrong on this subject. If you are Russian read a book Andrey Kurpatov 'the 4th world war'.
[QUOTE=Igor54;2645739]It's because you are in your 30+. I am 60 year old, my physical shape 10/10 even for 20 year old How much time do I have to fuck girls? That is why I can't afford to waste my time. My fuel is Viagra. In 20 years, you may start to think different. But maybe I am wrong on this subject. If you are Russian read a book Andrey Kurpatov 'the 4th world war'.[/QUOTE]M. Boy is great example of how not to act. All this guys does is brag about how great he is and yet he runs into one problem after another. I am 52 and having the best time of my life, and the most sex in my life. I meeting incredible girls, having amazing experiences.
So I took one for the team. My $60 on sugar [URL]daddy.com[/URL] was total waste of money. Of the 8 or so missives I sent out, not a single response. Not one. Not even a Hi. Def avoid.
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2645808] I am 52 and having the best time of my life, and the most sex in my life. I meeting incredible girls, having amazing experiences.[/QUOTE]This is a great example of bragging.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2645980]This is a great example of bragging.[/QUOTE]As usual you are wrong. You forgot that you turned down advice from myself and others. My life is amazing both professionally and socially, maybe you could learn something from my hard work and treating people with respect.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2616168]I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing![/QUOTE]I don't know anything about those locations. My activity on SA is confined to US (and EU when I travel there, which hasn't happened in 2 years). I don't disagree there is a high amount of flakiness and if anything, it has increased massively since the pandemic. But 2 visits with repeat girls is very much doable, if you find the right ones of course. One example: there was a University student I wrote about a few weeks ago. Pretty, 22, blonde, slim body, quite intelligent and independent. It took me nearly 4 to 5 weeks of pursuit before she finally met me. I liked her but the sex quality has been somewhat tepid. $300 allowance. Since that first time, she writes to me pretty much every week, and often multiple times a week to see if I want to "hang". This is a fairly common experience for me. The first sex meet is a high hurdle with a girl, she doesn't put out so easily, even when you pay a good amount. But once she has been deflowered in an arrangement, she wants to keep coming back (provided you don't turn out to be an AH in the bed). Of course for me, I want to sample as many pussies as possible and the desire is the exact opposite. After a single fuck, the novelty wears off 50% and after 2 or 3, it is down 90% and it feels like an old relationship.
That said, I don't disagree that SA is a lot of work. I used to think success rate is 5% to 10% at most, now it is probably 2%. I. E. If I send a "Hello, how are you?" message to 100 girls, the chance that I will actually fuck one of them is 2/100, AT the price point I want to. Even if I went up to $500 or more, the chance only increases to 10% to 20%. Nearly 50% or more of the "girls" on SA are absolute scammers, thieves. Of late, at least in my city, there are a bunch of Chinese or some other Asian nationals, probably not in the USA, posing as girls and trying to lure the guy onto WhatsApp (rarely use local numbers) who are then trying to sell some kinda defi, crypto, mining some other shit scam. I have gotten good at spotting them after a few encounters and typically flag them to the mod right away but they keep sprouting up by the dozens. I don't know if others are noticing this group.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2646008]I don't know anything about those locations. My activity on SA is confined to US (and EU when I travel there, which hasn't happened in 2 years). I don't disagree there is a high amount of flakiness and if anything, it has increased massively since the pandemic. But 2 visits with repeat girls is very much doable, if you find the right ones of course. One example: there was a University student I wrote about a few weeks ago. Pretty, 22, blonde, slim body, quite intelligent and independent. It took me nearly 4 to 5 weeks of pursuit before she finally met me. I liked her but the sex quality has been somewhat tepid. $300 allowance. Since that first time, she writes to me pretty much every week, and often multiple times a week to see if I want to "hang". This is a fairly common experience for me. The first sex meet is a high hurdle with a girl, she doesn't put out so easily, even when you pay a good amount. But once she has been deflowered in an arrangement, she wants to keep coming back (provided you don't turn out to be an AH in the bed). Of course for me, I want to sample as many pussies as possible and the desire is the exact opposite. After a single fuck, the novelty wears off 50% and after 2 or 3, it is down 90% and it feels like an old relationship.
That said, I don't disagree that SA is a lot of work. I used to think success rate is 5% to 10% at most, now it is probably 2%. I. E. If I send a "Hello, how are you?" message to 100 girls, the chance that I will actually fuck one of them is 2/100, AT the price point I want to. Even if I went up to $500 or more, the chance only increases to 10% to 20%. Nearly 50% or more of the "girls" on SA are absolute scammers, thieves. Of late, at least in my city, there are a bunch of Chinese or some other Asian nationals, probably not in the USA, posing as girls and trying to lure the guy onto WhatsApp (rarely use local numbers) who are then trying to sell some kinda defi, crypto, mining some other shit scam. I have gotten good at spotting them after a few encounters and typically flag them to the mod right away but they keep sprouting up by the dozens. I don't know if others are noticing this group.[/QUOTE]I would say 3-6% in the states. But in Mxico I am probably at 18-25% it is amazing. I listen to guys bashing it. I could not disagree, my experience has been amazing. Sure bad things happen, but I just keep moving forward.