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[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Can recommend you Lavana Spa, no 4 Soi Sukhumvit 12,

[url]http://www.lavanabangkok.com[/url]

Nice and clean Spa facilities and good place to go for a massage together with your girlfriend.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Go to the what Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace) , it is the center of real Thai massage.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1498286]Go to the what Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace) , it is the center of real Thai massage.[/QUOTE]You also might try The King and I. It is on Sukhumvit Soi 12. My Thai friend goes there and reports back that it is very good, no extras.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1498199]It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.[/QUOTE]It is Subway on the corner of 7/1 where the Russian Elena sits (terrace) and propositions to passer by's. She dares to ask even 1800 If she thinks the guy is a newcomer. Anal doesn't seem to be in her menu.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending[/QUOTE]Cefle. In the small side street opp Office, near the old Livingstone's Lodge, Soi 33. Tel: 026 623 304

[QUOTE=Wendella;1497751]My problem with this kind of thing was succeeding in negotiating the LT and then right after completing the deed (quickly! Why worry about cumming too fast when you have all night long for the next one) the girl is immediately begging to leave. Oh, and still wants the LT rate. Especially galling because if I had known it was going to be ST I would have slowed things down a bit and enjoyed it more. So to have an eyeblink of a ST for the LT rate, man, that is really hard to deal with. So the "2 shots" thing works? Maybe that's what we need to say instead of "LT". Now they seem to think LT seems means "I'm a complete idiot who prefers to pay double for ST".[/QUOTE]I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.

The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls ( 60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.

It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Asian Herbal Association. Sukhumvit Soi 24

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1498308]I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.

The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls (60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.

It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.[/QUOTE]I guess we have different experience then. From my latest BKK stays (8 so far this year and still more coming) I feel BKK is the same as before if not better. My experience with BKK is atleast somewhere around 70 visits last 8 years (until end of 2012). The girls I get comfy with perform good in the sack and gives GFE / PSE and more than LT sessions (if I like). They did 8 years ago and still do. The latter years the FL scene is blooming more and more from what I can see. When I speak of FL scene I do not speak of streetwalkers. Only girls hanging in nightclubs and simular venues.

I do invest a bit time into screening and chemistry building and NEVER discuss any money issues. If possible I let girls choose me but the other way around also works well. I can not remember having a girl starting to discuss her price expectations this year (ex one time visiting Spanky in NEP). Infact i can not say I remember any pricediscussions upon leaving a venue whatsoever. On rare occation over the years maby 3 or 4 girls have started to ask how much I give them when in my room. Then it is pants on and walk her back for a new try. My motivation for doing it like this is ofcourse I strongly believe a girl will perform hard to get a good compensation. In most cases money are never mentioned but i allways compensate them even if not needed. If I can sense a girl would be offended by me offering her money I switch the money into gift mode.

But I guess you are stuck into the BG / GoGo scene am I right? In that case I almost don't know anything about that bcs I don't find that setting attractive at all and I have had 3 BF`s over 11 years of mongering heavily (in my early years only did mongering in Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil). I am a 99,8% FL guy..

By the way before someone talks about the safety issue. The only girl steeling money from me was a girl I did BF. So thumbs up for BKK it is pussy heaven FL wice and still very cheap.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1498317]I guess we have different experience then. From my latest BKK stays (8 so far this year and still more coming) I feel BKK is the same as before if not better. My experience with BKK is atleast somewhere around 70 visits last 8 years (until end of 2012). The girls I get comfy with perform good in the sack and gives GFE / PSE and more than LT sessions (if I like). They did 8 years ago and still do. The latter years the FL scene is blooming more and more from what I can see. When I speak of FL scene I do not speak of streetwalkers. Only girls hanging in nightclubs and simular venues.

I do invest a bit time into screening and chemistry building and NEVER discuss any money issues. If possible I let girls choose me but the other way around also works well. I can not remember having a girl starting to discuss her price expectations this year (ex one time visiting Spanky in NEP). Infact I can not say I remember any pricediscussions upon leaving a venue whatsoever. On rare occation over the years maby 3 or 4 girls have started to ask how much I give them when in my room. Then it is pants on and walk her back for a new try. My motivation for doing it like this is ofcourse I strongly believe a girl will perform hard to get a good compensation. In most cases money are never mentioned but I allways compensate them even if not needed. If I can sense a girl would be offended by me offering her money I switch the money into gift mode.

But I guess you are stuck into the BG / GoGo scene am I right? In that case I almost don't know anything about that bcs I don't find that setting attractive at all and I have had 3 BF`s over 11 years of mongering heavily (in my early years only did mongering in Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil). I am a 99, 8% FL guy.

By the way before someone talks about the safety issue. The only girl steeling money from me was a girl I did BF. So thumbs up for BKK it is pussy heaven FL wice and still very cheap.[/QUOTE]Better? As a resident I find it far worse. The FL scene is only good at the perceived "high-end." Girls that used to be in Thermae, the BG, and the street are now going to the higher end discos and getting far more money. Good for them. But I for one am not going to pay that kind of money for the same Isaan girl in a little bit better dress. Still a gal with a sixth grade "edumacation."

The FL scene was better when the economy was not so good. Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1498308]I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.

The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls (60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.

It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Because the punters don't demand it. And they make so much in STs that they do not need to cultivate any type of relationship.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending[/QUOTE]Try the King & I at sukhumvit. I've gone a couple of times (years ago!) with Tulip girls who were staying with me for multiple days. Nice to have a good massage after (or before) mind-blowing good sex at my apartment! You can find reviews on Trip Advisor. TTG

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1498395]Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.[/QUOTE]Last March I stayed for a while at T21 so I stopped by Thermae on many nights after l said bye bye to my favorite Go Go girl. I liked hunting the late night FL scene from Sukhumvit Asok to Soi 11 and back even if I was not really into getting laid again. First I would check out Thermae and then later make it over to Soi 11. If I did not pick up a girl in Climax, I would walk back to my hotel and usually stop off for a night cap at a friendly roll-away Sukhumvit street bar where I had become friends with the bar girl that worked there and that I had shagged one time. Anyway I always saw some acceptable girls in Thermae and received a lot of smiles and invitations, but I never saw a girl I had to have. They all seemed a little drab and mostly sub-par Go Go quality to me. Then one night a gem walked into Thermae. She was an 8 and she was dressed fine. She walked around the island once and on her second turn I smiled and said hello. She smiled and we struck up a conversation. She spoke English very well. She said she owned a condo and worked in a law office. She also said she only occasionally stopped by Thermae maybe once or twice a month and only when she wanted to. She proudly said she was 29 and I had no reason to doubt all this or care. This was my lucky night. At 10pm I had shagged my favorite Go Go girl and at 1am I was shagging this fox. It was a memorable session. But, I never saw Mai again after that night or anybody even approaching her quality in Thermae. She was the exception to the rule. I tried texting and calling her, but I must have incorrectly written down her number (I had accidentally smudged the numbers on a small piece of paper) or she might have given me a wrong number on purpose. I will never know. Oh well. That's BKK.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1498395]Better? As a resident I find it far worse. The FL scene is only good at the perceived "high-end." Girls that used to be in Thermae, the BG, and the street are now going to the higher end discos and getting far more money. Good for them. But I for one am not going to pay that kind of money for the same Isaan girl in a little bit better dress. Still a gal with a sixth grade "edumacation."

The FL scene was better when the economy was not so good. Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.[/QUOTE]Yes better from my experience as a frequent visitor the last 8 years. Girls you describe from Thermae (semi pros) are mostly the kind of girls I end up with. And even if it is hard to categorize all the girls in a venue I have still no problem finding them or the other way around. Most of my take outs have work or they need some extras for their studies or both(they seem educated, speaks fair to good english and are well behaved). Surprisingly many drive their own cars these days so maby they also need fuelmoney / morgagemoney. When you describe your high end discos I presume you mean places like Insanity, Climax, CM2, Spasso, Mixx, Shock, Bossy, Thermae (approx 1 year since I did a pretty good take out from the left side lined up girs) , Levels, Q-Bar, Bash? From those I only rate A few of them as high end(Levels, Bash, Q Bar). To me the high end clubs are located away from most of these FL nightclubs and cater almost all in to regular Thaigirls (hiso, middleclass girls). A bit more complicated in places like that but take outs can be had but here some personal game comes in handy and ofcourse some girls are looking for sugar daddies as well.

I see more ladies these days in mentioned FL places and one reason could ofcourse be that more and more girls leave the bar / gogo scene as they want to work indipendantly(i could ofcourse be lucky with time and place but i do not think so as i visit them places quite regulary). But the semi pros are still out there and as easy to locate as before (my experience). I compensate the same today as I did 8 years ago (3k more or less) but since I do not discuss any pricings upfront girls don't know what they will get. I don't discuss any timeframe either but in general it ends in LT and above with very few limitations (some are naturaly not into A+ play). But ofcourse from my spendings in the club when they meet me I do think they will not review me as a cheap charlie so I guess most of them atleast expect some compensation.

I am a well educated guy and even if I don't live in BKK to see the same places every day all year around I am not blind to changes (as economy is getting better and more available work to be had but still pay shitty though). But to me BKK is still a very cheap place to monger which has not changed for the worse the latest 8 years both in prices (FL's) and amount of available girls. Stay strong and monger hard.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1498416]Yes better from my experience as a frequent visitor the last 8 years. Girls you describe from Thermae (semi pros) are mostly the kind of girls I end up with. And even if it is hard to categorize all the girls in a venue I have still no problem finding them or the other way around. Most of my take outs have work or they need some extras for their studies or both (they seem educated, speaks fair to good english and are well behaved). Surprisingly many drive their own cars these days so maby they also need fuelmoney / morgagemoney. When you describe your high end discos I presume you mean places like Insanity, Climax, CM2, Spasso, Mixx, Shock, Bossy, Thermae (approx 1 year since I did a pretty good take out from the left side lined up girs) , Levels, Q-Bar, Bash? From those I only rate A few of them as high end (Levels, Bash, Q Bar). To me the high end clubs are located away from most of these FL nightclubs and cater almost all in to regular Thaigirls (hiso, middleclass girls). A bit more complicated in places like that but take outs can be had but here some personal game comes in handy and ofcourse some girls are looking for sugar daddies as well.

I see more ladies these days in mentioned FL places and one reason could ofcourse be that more and more girls leave the bar / gogo scene as they want to work indipendantly (I could ofcourse be lucky with time and place but I do not think so as I visit them places quite regulary). But the semi pros are still out there and as easy to locate as before (my experience). I compensate the same today as I did 8 years ago (3k more or less) but since I do not discuss any pricings upfront girls don't know what they will get. I don't discuss any timeframe either but in general it ends in LT and above with very few limitations (some are naturaly not into A+ play). But ofcourse from my spendings in the club when they meet me I do think they will not review me as a cheap charlie so I guess most of them atleast expect some compensation.

I am a well educated guy and even if I don't live in BKK to see the same places every day all year around I am not blind to changes (as economy is getting better and more available work to be had but still pay shitty though). But to me BKK is still a very cheap place to monger which has not changed for the worse the latest 8 years both in prices (FL's) and amount of available girls. Stay strong and monger hard.[/QUOTE]Interesting to read about your experiences. Of course we all come at it from a different perspective.

I would rate the prices of many of those clubs as "high end," omitting maybe Climax and Insanity. Drinks are at Western prices and gals are asking in many of them close to what you would pay in the West. And yes, I would say many of the gals there are looking for sugar daddies and are not quite good looking enough for well to do Thai guys.

To me 100 USD (3k) is a lot of money to pay for a ST experience. In fact when you account for currency changes it is 4X what the average ST was 10 years ago. LT, I could see it, but then again I have a live in here and do not take gals LT.

Of course I also don't enjoy the music in discos and have no desire to hang out drinking with a bunch of gals. The "party" aspect has just become less appealing.

Now if there was a great bar that had hundreds of craft beers, bands like Wilco playing, and working girls, I would be all over it.

Peace. Have Fun!

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1498299]It is Subway on the corner of 7/1 where the Russian Elena sits (terrace) and propositions to passer by's. She dares to ask even 1800 If she thinks the guy is a newcomer. Anal doesn't seem to be in her menu.[/QUOTE]Actually she was sitting at Subway. However, if you are walking down Sukhumvit from Soi 7, you will see Coffee World first on the corner and Subway, which you don't see until you get to 7/1 and turn left or look back. They share the same building.

She is definitely not one of those hot looking Russians, but she is white, if that is what someone wants.