Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639538]Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. I would also bet at least half the anti-vaxxers are liberal hippies as well, but media will never report that. I am curious to see how long it will take before main-stream American media start to report the truth about of Omicron, easier to transmit, but far far far less deadly and will burn itself out. Just my opinion though, can't say for sure yet but I would bet a hefty sum on it.[/QUOTE]A few points.

The American media already reported that the Omicron variant is more contagious, but has a lower rate of serious illness, at least 10 days ago.

While I'm sure there are left wing anti-vaxxers, I haven't encountered any. Most of my family and friends tend to the left, many of them towards the extreme left. Every one that I know, including a few famous hippies are vaccinated. The only anti-vax people I know are far right wingers. I doubt if more than 10% of the anti-vax loons are leftist.

Early in the pandemic, when many of the right wingers were insisting Covid was no worse than the flu, someone exercised their personal freedom and visited a nursing home. They had a cough, probably a fever, but that personal freedom thing is more important. By the time the funerals were all finished, half of the residents were dead, including my aunt and the parents of several people I grew up with. The same thing happened all over the world, with some places having fatality rates over 75%. How many lives are acceptable to be taken away so one person can have the personal freedom to endanger those lives?

Here are a few tidbits I posted earlier.

Singapore, which began paying for 100% of all Covid treatment early last year has announced they will no longer cover costs for anyone who is unvaccinated by choice. At this point 95% of their eligible population is vaccinated, but the majority of the healthcare costs are unvaccinated people.

South Korea has vaccinated 90% of adults, but 75% of COVID deaths are unvaccinated.

In the US, Indiana is using the National Guard to assist in 15 of 18 of the hospitals belonging to the state's largest healthcare provider, and they will be added to 2 more next week. All because they are overwhelmed with Covid cases. The only hospital which isn't overwhelmed is a children's hospital. Indiana (a solidly right wing state has only 51.6% of the population fully vaccinated, and 99% of the hospitalized Covid cases are unvaccinated.

If I had the time I could find 100 more examples which are supported by science (the foundation of science. Mathematics), but there's no benefit to wasting my time. People either understand, or they are incapable of understanding.

What are your qualifications?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639538]Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. I would also bet at least half the anti-vaxxers are liberal hippies as well, but media will never report that. I am curious to see how long it will take before main-stream American media start to report the truth about of Omicron, easier to transmit, but far far far less deadly and will burn itself out. Just my opinion though, can't say for sure yet but I would bet a hefty sum on it.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0m9gAuRDOE[/URL][/QUOTE]You said "those left wing policies are not based on real science. " What are your qualifications to determine what qualifies as "real science?

It's strange that you refer to the policies as left wing, when the same policies have been used all over the world, not just in left wing countries.

I'm asking for your qualifications because for over 30 years I've gotten the "not backed up by science" response on just about anything you can think of. I've noticed 2 things about that response.

1. Whatever has been declared as "not real science" is always supported by science.

2. Anyone making the claim lacks the background to demonstrate their claim.

Number 2 is a dead giveaway, because anyone with the science background won't rely on a stock phrase. Instead they will demonstrate how and why.

In regards to those policies, it's a rather simple health physics problem. It's the same problem and solution applied when dealing with occupational exposure to ionizing radiation.

1. Minimize the number of people exposed. That's the lockdown.

2. Minimize time of exposure and maximize distance from source. Social distancing and curfews.

3. Maximize use of available shielding and protective gear. Masks, gloves, hand sanitizer, vaccines.

4. Monitor people who have been exposed. Testing and contact tracing.

You lost any chance of making a point when you filled the post with left wing and right wing references. Viruses are apolitical. Science is apolitical. Medicine is apolitical. When you try to apply politics toa science problem, it's a disaster. Kind of like using a hammer to clean your windows.

There's a simple experiment you can do at home to show the same science applies to left and right. Turn on 2 burners on your stove. Once they are good and hot, place your left hand on one and place your right hand on the other. Compare the results.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2639390]This is another Democratic douche post sponsored by Pfizer. [B]I care about facts[/B] not your critiques on sources. Is he wrong about the safety data? Is he wrong about the waning efficacy of the vaccine or not? Who the fuck are you to decide a source is worth listening to or not?[/QUOTE]You care about facts? And to find those facts you hunt down libertarian blogs with articles that have no documentation or support for their claims. But since you like their message. Those are now "facts".

Your hero Joe Rogan said "I'm a moron. And not a respected source of information. " but since you like the message his stuff now becomes "facts".

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan[/URL]

You have no clue how to analyze data or how to find facts or even to determine what is factual and what is not. If you actually cared about "facts" you wouldn't be looking for them on libertarian blogs. All you really want is someone / anyone to confirm your crackpot theories. You should stick to lying about your sexual exploits. At least those can't be refuted out of hand.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639600]I would say the left or liberals or whatever you want to call them depending on your country are without a doubt advocating for policies which are more authoritarian these days. Dems in USA are def pushing harder for mandatory vaccines AKA infringement of personal freedoms.[/QUOTE]Th epoint I make is that these are not left political policies, bcos authoritarianism is not part of the left anymore than it is part of the right. It is actually part of the other axis of the politcal spectrum. Left v right, authoritarian v libertarian. You can be left and libertarian (like me), as much as you can be right and libertarian.

The Dem Party are not left. They are right wing by any standards other than the political mess of the USA.

Check out the draconian measures in Austria. This is from a right wing leading party Austrian People's Party.

Check out the internment camps in Oz. Liberal Party of Australia. What a name for a party that locks up its own people! - again, conservative right wing party.

So please do not slander the left Ram. That is unfair and untrue.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2639622]Most BMs fall into one of two categories, they lie and try to discourage others from visiting a venue or locale they like because they fear any competition.

Because I guess they feel they will come up very short?

Then you have the more duplicitous fucks that lie, because they have a venue or locale that they like, that isn't "all that" but they want to tell the world that it is.

Thinking and hoping, a flood of money and mongers will only improve the scene for them.

You have the good cop vs bad cop debates of shut up, don't tell everyone!! LOL ala the "briar patch" OH nooooooooooo.

I haven't seen the whole world yet, but I have seen two places that were really overhyped and when I visited I thought WTF?

This doesn't seem like the place I read those cheerleaders cheering about 24/7.[/QUOTE]And any advice from MDS can be discounted because he has never visited Colombia, and almost certainly none of the other places he talks about either. He is suspected to be a high-school student trolling the boards here from his mother's basement. Anything he writes about these places is something he read in the forums and is rehashing as his own.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2639662]A few points.

The American media already reported that the Omicron variant is more contagious, but has a lower rate of serious illness, at least 10 days ago.

While I'm sure there are left wing anti-vaxxers, I haven't encountered any. Most of my family and friends tend to the left, many of them towards the extreme left. Every one that I know, including a few famous hippies are vaccinated. The only anti-vax people I know are far right wingers. I doubt if more than 10% of the anti-vax loons are leftist.

Early in the pandemic, when many of the right wingers were insisting Covid was no worse than the flu, someone exercised their personal freedom and visited a nursing home. They had a cough, probably a fever, but that personal freedom thing is more important. By the time the funerals were all finished, half of the residents were dead, including my aunt and the parents of several people I grew up with. The same thing happened all over the world, with some places having fatality rates over 75%. How many lives are acceptable to be taken away so one person can have the personal freedom to endanger those lives?

Here are a few tidbits I posted earlier.

Singapore, which began paying for 100% of all Covid treatment early last year has announced they will no longer cover costs for anyone who is unvaccinated by choice. At this point 95% of their eligible population is vaccinated, but the majority of the healthcare costs are unvaccinated people..[/QUOTE]The media reported it might be less severe, true, but the strong message coming from the media is get your booster and we are not sure if Omicron has less severe symptoms. And to be fair, it is the right message because it's too early to tell 100% if the symptoms are less severe. Like I have said before I just think much of this is about economics / profits for the media, big tech, big pharma, and Democrats. Now 6-8 weeks from now when death rates and hospitalizations are way down and they are still blasting covid stories and mandatory vaccines and booster variants and trying to keep this story alive for profits, then in my eyes they will look foolish. Media lost my trust after RussiaGate, Fake Trump Impeachment, and shifting Covid policies which make no sense half the time.

Nice points in regard to personal freedoms, but in my opinion, Austrian lockdowns weren't based on science as much as they were politics. And those people in the nursing home who passed away were going to contract the virus regardless of whether or not the guy with the cough got vaccinated because as the statistics show, you can still transmit the virus even if you are fully vaccinated. Vaccination just reduces the chance you will have symptoms, hospitalization, or death. If the vaccine prevented transmission, I would agree with you 100%. And like you said, it seems people are divided over this issue, it doesn't make sense to argue endlessly about the arguments we have all heard dozens of times before.

In my opinion, there is no way to stop the virus at this point, it will just have to run its course like the Spanish Flu did in 1918. Hopefully this is the last winter of severity with covid.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2639839]Th epoint I make is that these are not left political policies, bcos authoritarianism is not part of the left anymore than it is part of the right. It is actually part of the other axis of the politcal spectrum. Left v right, authoritarian v libertarian. You can be left and libertarian (like me), as much as you can be right and libertarian.

The Dem Party are not left. They are right wing by any standards other than the political mess of the USA.

Check out the draconian measures in Austria. This is from a right wing leading party Austrian People's Party.

Check out the internment camps in Oz. Liberal Party of Australia. What a name for a party that locks up its own people! - again, conservative right wing party.

So please do not slander the left Ram. That is unfair and untrue.[/QUOTE]Yea we all understand political spectrum JustTK, but I was not aware Conservatives were enforcing the lockdowns in Austria. I did a little research and it is still showing the conservative parties are anti-lockdown? The left in the USA advocates for Authoritarian polices, what is unfair or untrue about that?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2639744]What are your qualifications?

You said "those left wing policies are not based on real science. " What are your qualifications to determine what qualifies as "real science?

It's strange that you refer to the policies as left wing, when the same policies have been used all over the world, not just in left wing countries.

I'm asking for your qualifications because for over 30 years I've gotten the "not backed up by science" response on just about anything you can think of. I've noticed 2 things about that response.

1. Whatever has been declared as "not real science" is always supported by science.

2. Anyone making the claim lacks the background to demonstrate their claim.

Number 2 is a dead giveaway, because anyone with the science background won't rely on a stock phrase. Instead they will demonstrate how and why...[/QUOTE]Hahahaha I have to stop posting on this forum SMH. I am expressing my opinion. On a sex mongering forum, I have no qualifications, just like the next guy. And what the fuck is this rambling post even about haha? I don't want to be a dick, but the fuck are you even talk about with Ion exposure and stove burners and shit. You could benefit from this saying K. I. S. S. - Keep it simple stupid. You'll convey your message more clearly to a larger audience.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2639790]You care about facts? And to find those facts you hunt down libertarian blogs with articles that have no documentation or support for their claims. But since you like their message. Those are now "facts".[/QUOTE]Peckford links to all the relevant sources. Rogan was interviewing a doctor who made a number of good points.

Joe Rogan is interviewing a doctor, and you are so fucking stupid you attack Rogan?

Rogan said that drug companies are making tens of billions on the vaccine and do not want that to stop. Your opinion on that is Rogan is an idiot.

Attacking the source versus the facts is a Democratic douche move, and your post gets the Pfizer seal of approval but for me, this is the second time you have made really, really stupid attacks and you are on ignore.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639538]Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. [/QUOTE]Honestly, Ram, there should have been a lot more ant-vaxxers than there were. It was touted the vaccine got FDA approval when it did not have it. It got EUA, emergency use allowed which is a designation that means a drug is allowed to be used pretty much in people with one foot in the grave. Using a therapy in a majority of Americans without the proper safety data was disgusting. If people want to get vaccinated, they should have at it, but now the mandates are back on and this is hugely problematic. There is inadequate safety data, and the government making these decisions and vaccine manufacturers are exempt from being sued.

I am not sure the vaccine is doing anything now. About half the players on the NFL team the LA Rams have tested + for Covid, and the team was 98% vaccinated. The whole league was 94% vaccinated and there is so much Covid now, three games were postponed this weekend. About 20% of the players have tested + at some point during the year, and this has been over like a 3 month period.

Aaron Rogers tests + for Covid and is ripped in the media because he lied about being vaccinated. Two weeks later, he roars back and plays as well as he ever has and people are saying how great he is. Even fat ass coaches who tested + are on the sideline looking well a few weeks later.

There is a player in the NBA named Kyrie Irving who refused the Vax. His team just activated him to play. This is huge IMO because it means management concluded the vaccine does not prevent transmission and there is so much Covid now they and Irving cannot be demonized if he were to play. And they also concluded players getting Covid is no big deal.

And while the vaccine now seems to do nothing in the way of prevention, there was this notion it prevents you from being hospitalized and / or die. While that may be true in the elderly, diabetic, or morbidly obese, it certainly is not true of the fit young.

The American Heart Association left no doubt in one study that the vaccine leads to heart inflammation. Myocarditis and pericarditis are known side effects of the vaccine. And now European soccer players, among the fittest in the world, are dropping like flies on the field with heart issues.

See the links: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ex-pro-demands-probe-soccer-players-suffering-heart-problems[/URL].

[URL]https://summit.news/2021/11/09/german-newspaper-highlights-unusually-large-number-of-soccer-players-who-have-collapsed-recently/[/URL]

And I finally found the kind of graph on the vaccine rates that I liked here: [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/[/URL].

The correlation between being vaccinated and number of Covid cases does not exist. Look at how poorly well vaccinated Europe is doing with Covid compared to barely vaccinated central Africa.

So why is there the disparity? Ivermectin use.

This study shows that Ivermectin does better with regards to prophylaxis than the vaccine and has the mortality and hospitalization benefits as well: [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8470309/[/URL].

Joe Rogan had Covid and said he was sick for one day. He was given a string of vitamin treatments, steroids, an antibiotic, and Ivermectin. He was ripped for taking ivermectin and it was called a "horse dewormer", yet no one said anything about all the other therapies.

The answer as to why is obvious to me. Ivermectin actually works. Now people can see it with their own eyes. "Hey, if the vaccine is so great, why do half the LA Rams have Covid now?" Hey, if the vaccine is so safe, "why are soccer players dropping like flies?" In both cases, "scientists" if they are being honest will say they do not know.

Everyone should be anti-vaxxers now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2639882]Peckford links to all the relevant sources. Rogan was interviewing a doctor who made a number of good points.

Joe Rogan is interviewing a doctor, and you are so fucking stupid you attack Rogan?

Rogan said that drug companies are making tens of billions on the vaccine and do not want that to stop. [B]Your opinion on that is Rogan is an idiot[/B].

Attacking the source versus the facts is a Democratic douche move, and your post gets the Pfizer seal of approval but for me, this is the second time you have made really, really stupid attacks and you are on ignore.[/QUOTE]Pecker Blog linked another Libertarian blog that had [B] no sources, none [/B] for the article which Pecker Blog reprinted. In short that means there was [B] zero support [/B] for the article.

Apparently you aren't yet literate. That's fine. So let me say it so that even a 3rd grader can understand it. I didn't call Joe Rogan an idiot. Read the Wikipedia piece. He called himself a "moron" and further said.

"I'm not a respected source of information". So just so you get it. [B]I[/B] didn't have to say anything, he said it about himself.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan[/URL]

The point is you blather on about CoVid like you know something when the only sources you come up with are libertarian blogs and self-confessed morons who are color commentators for UFC. Why in the world should anyone believe [B]anything[/B] that you write??

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639856]I was not aware Conservatives were enforcing the lockdowns in Austria. I did a little research and it is still showing the conservative parties are anti-lockdown?[/QUOTE]No, the Austrian government is right wing - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party[/URL]#Ideology_and_Platform.

As is the Australian.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639856]The left in the USA advocates for Authoritarian polices, what is unfair or untrue about that?[/QUOTE]What left would that be Ram? I have been following USA politcis for quite a while and I have yet to see a leftist party so I am surprised that you even heard what the left might be advocating. What I see is the right wing Democrats advocating for vax card mandates on entry to the USA and destroying US social investment plans that could have helped the USA recover from its downward spiral.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639860]Hahahaha I have to stop posting on this forum SMH. I am expressing my opinion. On a sex mongering forum, I have no qualifications, just like the next guy. And what the fuck is this rambling post even about haha? I don't want to be a dick, but the fuck are you even talk about with Ion exposure and stove burners and shit. You could benefit from this saying K. I. S. S. - Keep it simple stupid. You'll convey your message more clearly to a larger audience.[/QUOTE]Again, a few points.

You said you don't want to be a dick, but at the same time you chose to be a dick. If you don't want to be a dick, don't be a dick. Respond in a civil manner.

If you are stating an opinion, clearly identify it as an opinion. When you say "policies are not based on real science" that's an objective declaration, rather than a subjective opinion.

How do you know what qualifications the next guy has? I know of at least 3 people who post here who are highly qualified and their qualified posts are in opposition to your unqualified opinions.

My intention is not to reach the largest audience. That should be obvious since my posts are here, in a subgroup which most members of ISG don't read. My intention is to address false and misleading information, made by people who are merely repeating what their favorite talking head blabbed about. Ultimately, my intention is to identify people who are able to develop and support an intelligent and informed opinion.

Some very basic information for you:

It's not ion exposure, you get that every time you take a breath or drink a glass of water. It's exposure to ionizing radiation, something which is highly regulated because of the health risks involved.

Ionizing radiation is the type you get from nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. Non-ionizing radiation, the easiest example is sunlight.

The connection between exposure to ionizing radiation and Covid policies is quite simple, "Exposure. " You can't see radiation, you can't see the coronavirus. At least with radiation you can detect it and keep people away from it.

Here's a simple analogy to explain the policies which, in your opinion aren't based on real science:

You are in a group of 1000 people. There are 3 toilets. 200 of you are going to have explosive diarrhea. Is it better for all 200 to have explosive diarrhea at the same time, or is it better for the bouts of diarrhea to be spread out over several hours?

That's the real science behind the policies which you think are just politics, put into terms anyone can understand.

Is it better to have 50,000 people needing ICU beds, at the same time when you only have 10,000 available, or is it better to spread those 50,000 patients out over several months?

In your other post you said that all of those nursing home patients would have contracted the virus eventually. Probably true. However, how many would still be alive if they not been exposed before effective treatment protocols were established? How many would still be alive if they could have been vaccinated before exposure?

Finally, the thing I was talking about with stove burners was a very simple way to demonstrate how incredibly stupid it is to apply political ideologies to science problems. You weren't able to understand it because your limited understanding of science is entirely based upon your politics.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2639946]No, the Austrian government is right wing - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party[/URL]#Ideology_and_Platform.

As is the Australian.

What left would that be Ram? I have been following USA politcis for quite a while and I have yet to see a leftist party so I am surprised that you even heard what the left might be advocating. What I see is the right wing Democrats advocating for vax card mandates on entry to the USA and destroying US social investment plans that could have helped the USA recover from its downward spiral.[/QUOTE]I was surprised to learn this about Austria, I do not follow politics in Europe.

So in the USA, there is really no such thing as a right wing Democrat. If you said that to anyone in the USA, they would look at you like you have two heads. In the USA, if you say left wing, it is almost interchangeable with Democrat, or liberal at this point. Right wing is associated with Republicans and conservatives in the USA. And again, if you say left wing Republican, its not something you will ever hear in American politics. The left aka, the Democrats in the USA are advocating the Authoritarian policies we have been discussing. This is what has become of the left in the USA. If you ask the vast majority of Democratic voters in the USA, are you right or left on the political spectrum, they will say left and they will also advocate for mot of the time for vaccine mandates, contact tracing, lockdowns, socialism "maybe", and other authoritarian policies. JusTK, I find it really strange I have to explain that to anyone who follows American politics, but you are from another country so you get a pass, but trust me referring to Democrats as right-wing is really strange for an American to hear.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2639946]No, the Austrian government is right wing - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party[/URL]#Ideology_and_Platform.

As is the Australian.

What left would that be Ram? I have been following USA politcis for quite a while and I have yet to see a leftist party so I am surprised that you even heard what the left might be advocating. What I see is the right wing Democrats advocating for vax card mandates on entry to the USA and destroying US social investment plans that could have helped the USA recover from its downward spiral.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/far-right-spies-opportunity-europes-new-wave-covid-pain-protest-rcna5695[/URL]

So correct me if I am wrong, according to this article, the center right party is in control in Austria and forcing the lockdowns and the new far right political party is anti-lockdown?