Seeking Arrangements

I kept detailed notes when I was active on SA, and if my memory serves me correctly, I had 11 or 12 freebies out of around 23 gals that I had relations with. Of course, they were not really freebies because I paid for all of our fancy meals and drinks, our outings, and trips. I just never gave them cash. I sometimes offered them cash, but they scoffed at it. Who were these gals? They were just gals that just wanted to date successful guys. And they just wanted to have fun, but they just wanted someone else pay for it. Their ages ranged from 20 to mid-40's. Most of them were okay financially, so they were not in it just for money. They also genuinely liked me.

Among the dozen gals that were PPMs or arrangements, a few of those also eventually became freebies. After a while, they just grew attached to me. For some women, they cannot have sex with the same guy all the time without eventually having some feelings for him. And so, a few of my PPMs and arrangements eventually stopped taking money and just wanted to keep dating, especially if they thought that I was losing interest.

BTW, I am not bragging. This was from almost two years of work. I was just perseverant and choosy. I contacted between 5,000 and 10,000 gals. So, my success rate was miniscule. To be honest, I don't think I could do SA again.

From my reading of Steve's many successful conquests on SA, I bet if he did not negotiate the terms up front, he would have scored a bunch of freebies by now. In fact, I think he's about to land a freebie.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2646682]I kept detailed notes when I was active on SA, and if my memory serves me correctly, I had 11 or 12 freebies out of around 23 gals that I had relations with. Of course, they were not really freebies because I paid for all of our fancy meals and drinks, our outings, and trips. I just never gave them cash. I sometimes offered them cash, but they scoffed at it. Who were these gals? They were just gals that just wanted to date successful guys. And they just wanted to have fun, but they just wanted someone else pay for it. Their ages ranged from 20 to mid-40's. Most of them were okay financially, so they were not in it just for money. They also genuinely liked me.

Among the dozen gals that were PPMs or arrangements, a few of those also eventually became freebies. After a while, they just grew attached to me. For some women, they cannot have sex with the same guy all the time without eventually having some feelings for him. And so, a few of my PPMs and arrangements eventually stopped taking money and just wanted to keep dating, especially if they thought that I was losing interest.

BTW, I am not bragging. This was from almost two years of work. I was just perseverant and choosy. I contacted between 5,000 and 10,000 gals. So, my success rate was miniscule. To be honest, I don't think I could do SA again..[/QUOTE]Every "freebie" that I had never came back again. They probably felt short changed. Its their expectation, no matter how great the man was. And many of the cheaper ones turned out to be skanks. Lately a lot of them have had butt odor, when doing doggie. Women don't bathe anymore, they take quick showers and fail to cleanse their butt hole. I hate the stink!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2646429]Please clear your inbox. You guys just don't actively manage your messages do you?[/QUOTE]Sorry I got a bunch of incoming. I like to hold on to some emails for information purposes.

I deleted some emails to make room for new incoming.

This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting. After a brief amount of flirting, I asked her what the allowance expectations would be in Moscow and she claims $1,500 a week. Isn't cost of living in Moscow a fraction of what it is in the US? I wrote earlier that US 18-20 year olds seem to be dumb these days and this Moscow chick is no better. But I think she is deluded, if I were really in Moscow, it is probably not tough to get a bunch of deals at 200 or less.

I've been a few times, not cheap at all but I'd say she falls into the category of delusional girls that laid out a few posts back. Like everything else it depends on what you're after and what kind of time you have. If you're there for a week the only sure thing (and most expensive) are strip clubs or escorts. If you're there for a month or more you might have time to get a normal or sa girl. I think 200 is probably out of the question though.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2646850]This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting. After a brief amount of flirting, I asked her what the allowance expectations would be in Moscow and she claims $1,500 a week. Isn't cost of living in Moscow a fraction of what it is in the US? I wrote earlier that US 18-20 year olds seem to be dumb these days and this Moscow chick is no better. But I think she is deluded, if I were really in Moscow, it is probably not tough to get a bunch of deals at 200 or less.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2646431]What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?[/QUOTE]I always say I will offer them 400 and give them up and down uber and case of beer or many wine bottles. Seems self defeating if the deal does not go through. I value time a lot rather than the money. If its more expensive than 400, example she says 600 then I meet them less times that is all. I would rather have good sessions and memories than nothing. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2646850]This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting.[/QUOTE]How about St Petersburg in Russia? Has pretty girls and many good sights.

Damn. I have been blessed with so many 23 year old hotties my world view has changed.

Went to dinner with my wife. But couldn't help notice the gorgeous couple a table away. He's a built guy with a the'Artagnan mustache and beard and amazing flowing hair. Super handsome dude. And his date is a gorgeous brunette spinner wearing a mini dress with negligée top and thigh high boots. Both 22-23 I'the say. The perfect couple.

A few years ago I would have thought oh what a perfect couple. Ah, the splendors of youth!

Instead I'm thinking — why are you there with this loser. He's only going to fuck you for 20 seconds and then cum and get a beer from the fridge. You should be riding me till the cows come home!

Hahaha I have a whole new perspective since SA!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2646850]This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting. After a brief amount of flirting, I asked her what the allowance expectations would be in Moscow and she claims $1,500 a week. Isn't cost of living in Moscow a fraction of what it is in the US? I wrote earlier that US 18-20 year olds seem to be dumb these days and this Moscow chick is no better. But I think she is deluded, if I were really in Moscow, it is probably not tough to get a bunch of deals at 200 or less.[/QUOTE]Been there done it. $200-350 you will be banging super hot chicks, all day long. I was hanging out there a lot before Covid it was cheap, I am not sure now, but I doubt prices have went up significantly. I loved it there, but times have changed. I am not sure I will go back, with the same amount of money and some hard work I can have the same quality girls in Mxico.

Russian girls are super hot but they are delusional about life. There expectations are so unrealistic. I think they get 6-8 weeks off a year, plus holidays. They think this is normal.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2646949]I've been a few times, not cheap at all but I'd say she falls into the category of delusional girls that laid out a few posts back. Like everything else it depends on what you're after and what kind of time you have. If you're there for a week the only sure thing (and most expensive) are strip clubs or escorts. If you're there for a month or more you might have time to get a normal or sa girl. I think 200 is probably out of the question though.[/QUOTE]I think it may be expensive for visiting foreigners who tend to stay in city center hotels? The average income of Muscovites is not more than a couple of grand a month; may be even less because Ruble depreciated more than 50% v dollar in a decade. There must be a lot of superhot girls that are at subsistence wages; the problem is, as you pointed out, lack of time to make connections and more so if you are not a local.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2647008]I think it may be expensive for visiting foreigners who tend to stay in city center hotels? The average income of Muscovites is not more than a couple of grand a month; may be even less because Ruble depreciated more than 50% v dollar in a decade. There must be a lot of superhot girls that are at subsistence wages; the problem is, as you pointed out, lack of time to make connections and more so if you are not a local.[/QUOTE]Hotels can be expensive. Airbnb and taxis are very reasonable.

Thanks in advance for helping with tips.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2646529]I see great informative posts on SA. I just signed up on SA premium membership. I am looking for 18 to 22 year old petite / slim with no children.

For now, I started searching only at Mexico city and Guadalajara. I don't speak Spanish. Some English and some google translation is helping me.

I messaged over 100 girls in CDMX / Guadalajara and around 30% responded so far in 48 hours.

Some are asking upfront about the terms / and some are not asking anything about the terms / yet. May be this will come when we are close to meeting.

What is the average rate / range that I should stick to in these markets for my type of girl mentioned above. Also when they ask what I am looking for, what do, I say? Is it that sex is implicit in these sites? That is why we are at SA right? How do you ask the right questions? Also I am asking for WhatsApp as I may not keep the premium membership active for long time..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2647183]Thanks in advance for helping with tips.[/QUOTE]Mexico I had no issue asking them if they want to meet for some adult fun and if they are interested in long term or NSA. They usually mention in their profile.

But it went from 200 USD to 300 USD for a 3 hour meet. I prefer not negotiating too much and it was in my budget so did meet one as I fell in love with snorkeling and swimming in the ocean. But she was awesome and would have met again but I could not set up free time. Whatsapp is best and once you get the contact just say what you want and what she wants and if its good. Then tell her will message 2 days before coming. If you have long drawn out chats they lose interest and feel you are not going to come and just want a pen pal who wants nude pics etc.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2646529]I see great informative posts on SA. I just signed up on SA premium membership. I am looking for 18 to 22 year old petite / slim with no children.

For now, I started searching only at Mexico city and Guadalajara. I don't speak Spanish. Some English and some google translation is helping me.

I messaged over 100 girls in CDMX / Guadalajara and around 30% responded so far in 48 hours.

Some are asking upfront about the terms / and some are not asking anything about the terms / yet. May be this will come when we are close to meeting.

What is the average rate / range that I should stick to in these markets for my type of girl mentioned above. Also when they ask what I am looking for, what do, I say? Is it that sex is implicit in these sites? That is why we are at SA right? How do you ask the right questions? Also I am asking for WhatsApp as I may not keep the premium membership active for long time.

Any tips / suggestions.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Don't know about those cities and countries; there are other experts here who can help. As for price, you will get to know if you speak to girls. Yes, others with local expertise here can chime in. However, nothing like first hand intelligence. When you chat with a few dozen girls, you will quickly know. Of course, always make a counter offer to what they asked for. If they laugh you off and move on, you will realize you are low balling. Read through this thread and you will plenty of data points too.

Personally, even in hinterlands in the US, you can snag sugarbabes in the $300 range and I am talking about 20 something white girls. Latinos would be a bit less. If so, it should be clearly lower prices in Mexico and other LatAM nations. Compare escort sites as a benchmark. But I am sure many guys here will tell you soon.

It is best to keep sex implied and not discuss explicitly. SA is reportedly banning guys discussing pay for sex, as many guys mentioned here. Take it offline into WA / text, if you must. In theory, different countries have different solicitation rules. SA's moderation policies should likewise be based on where the conversation is being held but they maybe taking a hard stance across the board. Also, if an American and a Mexican girl are discussing pay for sex, which country's rules should apply? So, perhaps SA doesn't want to get mired in these minutiae and doing a blanket ban on any such discussions. After they ave a golden goose and they care about their profits, not your sexual pleasures and conquests.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2646529]What is the average rate / range that I should stick to in these markets for my type of girl mentioned above. Also when they ask what I am looking for, what do, I say? Is it that sex is implicit in these sites? That is why we are at SA right? How do you ask the right questions? Also I am asking for WhatsApp as I may not keep the premium membership active for long time.

Any tips / suggestions.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Yeah, try not to ask them about money. Just suggest a time and place and meet them. The big thing is to show them that you are real because there are so many bullshitters on the site. I would say you are interviewing for an arrangement that is probably short term but could be long term if there is chemistry. Yes, sex is implicit.

SA is a sugar baby site. You are interviewing the women for a position. It is sugar baby prospect, ho, or out the door, but the first two can be confusing. I think you should think long term because that is when the best sex happens, but you do you. Most guys want to fuck as much strange as they can.

For pricing, last year I paid $100 in CDMX for 8's or less, 150 to 200 for 9's, and 400 for 10's so most of the time it was around $100. The hos in CDMX are cheap at about $60 an hour for Mexicans and 125 for foreign ones from laboutiquevip. I try to keep ho prices in mind when negotiating. Hope that helps.