FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2693368]You can see what the women in Pattaya look like by watching YouTube videos. [/QUOTE]Not necessarily true unless you're concentrating on lowly bar girls or freelancers. None of my top gogo girls would ever stand outside their bar trying to lure in customers so you would never see them on a YouTube video. Same applies to Soapie girls where some are really pretty albeit with basic service. I do agree with you that talent overall is weak in Thailand post COVID because it just opened up with no restrictions 3 days ago. Germany has been open much longer and from what I read talent is way down as well. Germany is a better option right now than Pattaya. We'll see how quickly the top girls return once tourists start returning to Thailand.

[QUOTE=GaryV14;2693347]Had a session with Coralie, from Spain. I had met her at Samya 2-3 months ago when Sharks was closed, but she will stay at Sharks.

Good blowing skills, even she looks like she doesn't care of you lmao.[/QUOTE]Coralie was at Sharks before covid and on 2021, moved to Samya just when Sharks was closed. She is Romanian moving to Spain. I find she lost her light, you say interesting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2693380]I do agree with you that talent overall is weak in Thailand post COVID because it just opened up with no restrictions 3 days ago. Germany has been open much longer and from what I read talent is way down as well. Germany is a better option right now than Pattaya. We'll see how quickly the top girls return once tourists start returning to Thailand.[/QUOTE]This is one reason why I'm not rushing to get back. Lineup quality is still lacking worldwide. I want the talent to get back to what it was pre-pandemic. Then it will be time to return. I don't think that will happen until 2023. But what about the impending economic recession (it's coming). How will that impact supply and demand for international "tuting"?

Well Gentlemen, here is a "brief" report.

First off, as others have mentioned the rates have gone up, but I do not believe the service has. So then why double the rate? I do believe the rates should have gone up be / see 50 euros has been paid for how long? I'd be much more incline to continue attending if rates are 75 for 30 minutes. We can debate on the rates / service if it's a result of:

A) the ladies I went with.

B) my recollection of past experiences (overvaluing by chance).

C) a result of pandemic (I feel the world is in a funk, nothing works like it use to, things take longer, more excuses, mental fatigue, etc.); therefore, are they any different then slackers at the office who are no longer producing like they have prior to the pandemic? Me included partly because others are lazy and it stresses the shit out of me, then I get in a funk be / see I have to fix everything because others are lazy. Does anyone else think this?

D) my current state.

Anyway, I felt the optics on Monday and Tuesday were pretty well, but I've only been to Sharks once prior to this trip on either a Monday or Tuesday. I do not remember many names of the girls I've been with, lack of sleep since arriving. Every girl I sessioned with was the new rates, none would do 150/ HR. I tried to negotiate, but the cost to travel (Flight, hotel, car rental and VACATION days) and not to session would be more depressing than paying the new rate; however, I told the girls that I may stop coming because the cost is too great and I'd rather stay home or go to Brazil. I was quoted old rates and some said they'd do the old, but no kissing or BBBJ. Well screw that because to me those are the best parts. I didn't ask if they'd do the old rate with CIM which would be 100. I may start asking. What I loved about Fkks is the need not to negotiate, and that's what I dislike about Brazil. It stresses me and that stress tends to lead to lower level satisfaction. I would say at least 50% maybe 75% of the girls have been at sharks pre-2020.

Monday: Arrive 2:00 PM to 6:00 PM.

Session 1: She is a fake blonde half Romanian / Ukraine, sits near the entrance to the dining area. Great fake breasts, pretty and service oriented. She doesn't attend much, because she told me the last time she was here was last October, the time we met. She gave a fantastic blowjob and charged new rates. I loved chatting with her, she's a real go-getter. I would repeat.

Tuesday: 12:00 PM to 4:30 PM and 10:30 PM to 2:00 AM.

Session 1: 28 Yr old Romanian, She sits in the couch section in the middle between the aquarium and bar. She meows, beautiful, nice fake tits, give one hell of a BJ. I would repeat.

Session 2: Skinny 25 yr old Romanian, sits under the aquarium. She was good, I probably wouldn't repeat. We / I didn't have chemistry. I was in a funk, and didn't perform.

Session 3: German girl, she was pretty great, erotic massage. I would repeat. She sits in the couch section in the middle between the aquarium and bar.

Session 4: Romanian blonde, sits at the front of the bar, kind of where Brenda use to sit. God I miss Brenda's amazing tits and she always gave me a good BJ. She is shorter, sweet girl, and charges new rate. We spoke about the rate and I told her it's too much, even though I went wither her. She did give a really good BBBJCIM. Would repeat.

Wednesday: 6:00 PM to 3:00 AM.

It was very crowded. Also, why do people open those curtains in the back room where the kino use to be? The curtain is closed idiots! People also opened doors even when they were closed. Those two things piss me off, idiots.

Session 1: Cheyenne, well that was her name back in 2017 when we met. I still think she's beautiful, great tits, fake, but great. Her butt looks bigger. I was in a funk, and didn't perform. Kind of seemed in a hurry, but she was having an off day.

This is something to keep in mind, sometimes these girls have off days. Just like us, and this could cause a less than perfect service once in a blue moon. I've always had great experiences with her.

Session 2: 21 year old Romanian, she sits at the back of the bar, pretty, tall, probably 5'10", amazing youthful breasts, nice smile. I stayed with her a long time, she was passionate with me, but I believe she doesn't do that with everyone. I would absolutely repeat. She likes it more sensual.

ALL IN ALL. New prices suck, and Sharks isn't what it use to be (again, maybe I'm jaded by the new prices, but it just seemed off). This is our conundrum. If we stop going, what happens to fkks? Do they close? Probably not, do they attract less girls? Possibly. I did speak to a German and he told me the same thing about how I felt this trip has gone, it's not what it use to be and give me advice to go to Wellcum in Austria. I'm debating to pack-up and go and abandon Frankfurt and Dusseldorf the rest of this trip. I use to enjoy hour long rooms with CIM, but with these rates, I'm probably going to alter my visit going forward and just do 30 minute BBBJCIM. I may go back tonight.

Also, I know I said I'd repeat with these girls mostly, but if I lived in Germany, and it was old prices, I would session with a greater population and thus probably wouldn't have a high rate of returm, but I cannot always take that risk and at least half of my sessions would be with prior experiences, this trip it's been only 25% old sessions because my favorites were no here the past couple days. When I first went to FKKs, it was mainly Sharks and Oase, then I started going to Acapulco Velbert and finally solely went to Golden Time in Bruggen more, be / see that club was the best for me.

Last note! First impression do not mean everything! The first time I went to Golden Time I absolutely hated it and it eventually turned into my favorite club.

I hope this helps, I'm not much of a writer because I prefer numbers.

If anyone has anything to say about Wellcum, please private message me. I'd love to hear more opinions on the optic and service level compared to sharks.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693530]Every girl I sessioned with was the new rates, none would do 150/ HR.[/QUOTE]Do you mean none would do less than 150 per hour? That would be 100 for the hour plus 50 to get BBBJ.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693530]Well Gentlemen, here is a "brief" report.

First off, as others have mentioned the rates have gone up, but I do not believe the service has. So then why double the rate? I do believe the rates should have gone up be / see 50 euros has been paid for how long? I'd be much more incline to continue attending if rates are 75 for 30 minutes. We can debate on the rates / service if it's a result of:

A) the ladies I went with.

B) my recollection of past experiences (overvaluing by chance).

C) a result of pandemic (I feel the world is in a funk, nothing works like it use to, things take longer, more excuses, mental fatigue, etc.); therefore, are they any different then slackers at the office who are no longer producing like they have prior to the pandemic? Me included partly because others are lazy and it stresses the shit out of me, then I get in a funk be / see I have to fix everything because others are lazy. Does anyone else think this?.[/QUOTE]Good report.

What is the new new rate? If none of the girls agree to 150 an hour as you said, which I thought was the new rate, what is the new rate you experienced?

Seems like rates are in a flux? Different people are reporting different rates. Siri says he still gets 100 an hour. Many people said 150 an hour is acceptable to most girls, even top optics and it does include BBBJ and some amount of kissing. Then others spoke of 200 and hour or 150 plus tips and so on and but the 150 an hour did not include kissing in some cases.

Confused as you said ' Every girl I sessioned with was the new rates, none would do 150/ HR. ' What is the new rate?

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693530]Well Gentlemen, here is a "brief" report.

First off, as others have mentioned the rates have gone up, but I do not believe the service has. So then why double the rate? I do believe the rates should have gone up be / see 50 euros has been paid for how long? I'd be much more incline to continue attending if rates are 75 for 30 minutes. We can debate on the rates / service if it's a result of:

A) the ladies I went with.

B) my recollection of past experiences (overvaluing by chance).

C) a result of pandemic (I feel the world is in a funk, nothing works like it use to, things take longer, more excuses, mental fatigue, etc.); therefore, are they any different then slackers at the office who are no longer producing like they have prior to the pandemic? Me included partly because others are lazy and it stresses the shit out of me, then I get in a funk be / see I have to fix everything because others are lazy. Does anyone else think this?

D) my current state.

Anyway, I felt the optics on Monday and Tuesday were pretty well, but I've only been to Sharks once prior to this trip on either a Monday or Tuesday. I do not remember many names of the girls I've been with, lack of sleep since arriving. Every girl I sessioned with was the new rates, none would do 150/ HR. I tried to negotiate, but the cost to travel (Flight, hotel, car rental and VACATION days) and not to session would be more depressing than paying the new rate; however, I told the girls that I may stop coming because the cost is too great and I'd rather stay home or go to Brazil. I was quoted old rates and some said they'd do the old, but no kissing or BBBJ. Well screw that because to me those are the best parts. I didn't ask if they'd do the old rate with CIM which would be 100. I may start asking. What I loved about Fkks is the need not to negotiate, and that's what I dislike about Brazil. It stresses me and that stress tends to lead to lower level satisfaction. I would say at least 50% maybe 75% of the girls have been at sharks pre-2020.

Monday: Arrive 2:00 PM to 6:00 PM.

Session 1: She is a fake blonde half Romanian / Ukraine, sits near the entrance to the dining area. Great fake breasts, pretty and service oriented. She doesn't attend much, because she told me the last time she was here was last October, the time we met. She gave a fantastic blowjob and charged new rates. I loved chatting with her, she's a real go-getter. I would repeat.

Tuesday: 12:00 PM to 4:30 PM and 10:30 PM to 2:00 AM.

Session 1: 28 Yr old Romanian, She sits in the couch section in the middle between the aquarium and bar. She meows, beautiful, nice fake tits, give one hell of a BJ. I would repeat.

Session 2: Skinny 25 yr old Romanian, sits under the aquarium. She was good, I probably wouldn't repeat. We / I didn't have chemistry. I was in a funk, and didn't perform.

Session 3: German girl, she was pretty great, erotic massage. I would repeat. She sits in the couch section in the middle between the aquarium and bar.

Session 4: Romanian blonde, sits at the front of the bar, kind of where Brenda use to sit. God I miss Brenda's amazing tits and she always gave me a good BJ. She is shorter, sweet girl, and charges new rate. We spoke about the rate and I told her it's too much, even though I went wither her. She did give a really good BBBJCIM. Would repeat.

Wednesday: 6:00 PM to 3:00 AM.

It was very crowded. Also, why do people open those curtains in the back room where the kino use to be? The curtain is closed idiots! People also opened doors even when they were closed. Those two things piss me off, idiots.

Session 1: Cheyenne, well that was her name back in 2017 when we met. I still think she's beautiful, great tits, fake, but great. Her butt looks bigger. I was in a funk, and didn't perform. Kind of seemed in a hurry, but she was having an off day.

This is something to keep in mind, sometimes these girls have off days. Just like us, and this could cause a less than perfect service once in a blue moon. I've always had great experiences with her.

Session 2: 21 year old Romanian, she sits at the back of the bar, pretty, tall, probably 5'10", amazing youthful breasts, nice smile. I stayed with her a long time, she was passionate with me, but I believe she doesn't do that with everyone. I would absolutely repeat. She likes it more sensual.

ALL IN ALL. New prices suck, and Sharks isn't what it use to be (again, maybe I'm jaded by the new prices, but it just seemed off). This is our conundrum. If we stop going, what happens to fkks? Do they close? Probably not, do they attract less girls? Possibly. I did speak to a German and he told me the same thing about how I felt this trip has gone, it's not what it use to be and give me advice to go to Wellcum in Austria. I'm debating to pack-up and go and abandon Frankfurt and Dusseldorf the rest of this trip. I use to enjoy hour long rooms with CIM, but with these rates, I'm probably going to alter my visit going forward and just do 30 minute BBBJCIM. I may go back tonight.

Also, I know I said I'd repeat with these girls mostly, but if I lived in Germany, and it was old prices, I would session with a greater population and thus probably wouldn't have a high rate of returm, but I cannot always take that risk and at least half of my sessions would be with prior experiences, this trip it's been only 25% old sessions because my favorites were no here the past couple days. When I first went to FKKs, it was mainly Sharks and Oase, then I started going to Acapulco Velbert and finally solely went to Golden Time in Bruggen more, be / see that club was the best for me.

Last note! First impression do not mean everything! The first time I went to Golden Time I absolutely hated it and it eventually turned into my favorite club.

I hope this helps, I'm not much of a writer because I prefer numbers.

If anyone has anything to say about Wellcum, please private message me. I'd love to hear more opinions on the optic and service level compared to sharks.[/QUOTE]

New rate 100 for 30 minutes and 100 for 60 minutes. To be fair I didn't talk to many girls out of the ones I sessioned with.

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2693539]Confused as you said ' Every girl I sessioned with was the new rates, none would do 150/ HR. ' What is the new rate?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693543]New rate 100 for 30 minutes and 100 for 60 minutes. To be fair I didn't talk to many girls out of the ones I sessioned with.[/QUOTE]That makes zero sense and doesn't square with reports from others. If I understand correctly, it's 50 euros for 30 minutes (100 only if you want a BBBJ). And it's 100 euros for 60 minutes (150 if you want a BBBJ). CIM would be another 50 euros, and anal sex is at a 100 euros upsell premium. Now, I understand that some girls will refuse you for 50 euros for 30 minutes, but that's the standard price for 30 minutes with CBJ. They know most guys don't want a CBJ, so they hold out for somebody willing to cough up that additional 50 for a BBBJ. We have the new condom law that came into effect to thank for this! Damnit!

Let me also say something about me:

1) I am really picky and like to observe girls for a long time before I decide who to approach.

2) I don't talk to a lot of girls, and I may have only spoke to about 5-10% of the population.

3) They know where I am from and think I have all this money. Which I don't.

4) The girls I speak are probably more in demand, thus the lack of offers for 150/ hour.

5) If you haven't picked up on it, I'm not a great negotiator. If anyone is going to the club is, I would love to observe you and be observed. I'd be willing to compensate you because in the end we would all win if we can get lower rates for longer session. S.

Thus, it may be possible to get 150/ hour.

It is very interesting how long some of the girls sat around after I rejected their first offer of 200/ hour. I did this to a couple of the ones I sessioned with later, but they wouldn't budge.

It's insane for them to charge 200/ HR now. At this Rate I'm definitely going to explore other clubs in and out of Germany.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693553]Let me also say something about me:

1) I am really picky and like to observe girls for a long time before I decide who to approach.

2) I don't talk to a lot of girls, and I may have only spoke to about 5-10% of the population.

3) They know where I am from and think I have all this money. Which I don't.

4) The girls I speak are probably more in demand, thus the lack of offers for 150/ hour.

5) If you haven't picked up on it, I'm not a great negotiator. If anyone is going to the club is, I would love to observe you and be observed. I'd be willing to compensate you because in the end we would all win if we can get lower rates for longer session. S.

Thus, it may be possible to get 150/ hour.

It is very interesting how long some of the girls sat around after I rejected their first offer of 200/ hour. I did this to a couple of the ones I sessioned with later, but they wouldn't budge.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693553]It is very interesting how long some of the girls sat around after I rejected their first offer of 200/ hour. I did this to a couple of the ones I sessioned with later, but they wouldn't budge.[/QUOTE]When I was at Sharks, I saw a girl who looked great. She wanted €150 for 30 minutes. I laughed and said no way. I went to a room with a different girl. When I came back down, the €150 girl was still at the bar, and still there for some time.

It seems that they now prefer to sit and not earn anything than to keep the money rolling in but earn a bit less. I wonder if it is better form them in total.

The Cane. I did say the following in the my report. YES you can get 50 euros with some girls, but no BBBJ and no kissing.

For 100 for 30 minutes, I'd be ok with a BBBJ with CIM and no kissing, I don't love it, but I'd be ok with it.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693530]Well Gentlemen, here is a "brief" report.
I was quoted old rates and some said they'd do the old, but no kissing or BBBJ. Well screw that because to me those are the best parts. I didn't ask if they'd do the old rate with CIM which would be 100. I may start asking.
[/QUOTE]

I agree. I've told a couple of them that if this is the rate going forward then I may not be coming back to Sharks.

[QUOTE=SerpentX;2693556]It's insane for them to charge 200/ HR now. At this Rate I'm definitely going to explore other clubs in and out of Germany.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2693553]Thus, it may be possible to get 150/ hour..[/QUOTE]I've returned to Sharks several times since the reopening from the pandemic and I've had the occasional quote of €200-1 HR but irrespective of how much I want the girl I just won't pay it. Not because I can't afford it but simply I don't think any CDL experience is worth paying that money to.

The vast majority of offers I get are €150 1 HR, some of which I have accepted. However there are still some who will offer the old club standard of €100 1 HR which includes kissing & OWO. They are becoming less & less but they are still there.

It maybe partly due to my charm offensive (LOL!) but mainly, although I live outside Germany, I often visit the Club and many ladies are aware of this and some will accept a lesser offer which customers who live further afield and frequent the club less often don't get.

It's all a game after all with both sides trying to get the best deal that suits them. It's just unfortunate that these days customers living further away can get a rougher deal than they use to get.