Medellin Reports

I got a couple of PMs about stuff to do in and around Medellin with female company. I've only been here 2 weeks with one more to go, so I am far from an expert. However, I'll relate my experiences and observations so far. I like active vacations as opposed to laying on a beach or mongering all day. Following are some observations and a short list of things I have found.

My experience with using tours or even suggestions offered by my hotel hasn't been great. They have a vested interest in steering you to a particular tour company and it's probably best to use another means of getting recommendations.

Bicycling is a big time sport in Medellin and there are numerous options. I'm going on a tour in the Andes on Thursday and am using the following company:

[URL]https://2000mdescent.com/register/[/URL]

They have 3 different tours ranging in difficulty. The simplest tour only requires knowledge of how to ride a bike. My interaction with the company has been great and I have a good feeling that this may be the highlight of my stay. It's not cheap. It's $100 for the day but they offer a lot.

There's another bicycle and general tour company seemingly similar but they offer a wider range of options:

[URL]http://www.medellincitytours.com/[/URL]

I have no experience with them.

You can also rent a bicycle. I see many bicyclists in the street. However, even though there are many bicycle lanes, the car is still king and it seems motorists will run pedestrians or cyclists over to get to their destination a half second faster.

For hiking, a mild but breathtakingly hike is a scenic trip is Guatape. This is seemingly always listed as a must to do on just about every list. It's about 2 hours from Medellin. You don't really need a tour guide and a bus will suffice if you want to save money. A tour agency like the ones recommended above and below will probably have more options.

I used a small tour company to go to Santa Fe, a scenic town 90 minutes outside of Medellin. It's a high end tourist agency with a number of different options including customized trips, but not cheap. The tours are private.

[URL]http://willisbestguidemedellin.com/[/URL]

For general stuff to do, tripadvisor's list is a good reference:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.co/Attractions-g297478-Activities-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL]

Paragliding is also popular but I haven't been able to fit it in, not that I tried that hard, haha. I did it once in Venezuela and practically had a heart attack when I jumped off the mountain.

Sort of related is the taxi situation in Medellin. Uber is generally half the price for local rides. It's also illegal, but that's another story. Yellow taxis have gotten lost too many times for my taste. They rarely use a navigator. But who can blame them for getting lost? I find the address system to be immensely confusing. There were many times that I input an address into Uber only to have Uber change it to another address.

Speaking of getting lost, I have a bad habit of doing so. I have no sense of direction. However, paisas are extremely friendly and helpful people. One time I got a ride back to my hotel in a police van. Another time, an elderly woman stopped 3 motorists to ask directions for me. There were many other acts of kindness. But I am digressing.

That was the easy part. As for finding a "compatible" companion to accompany on excursions, that might be a little tricky but I'm sure it's do-able. From what I can see, many if not most women have obligations. School, work, children, etc. However, I see many profiles on SA that indicate a willingness to travel and I think that would be your best source. The only word of caution I can offer is to get to know the woman a little first and don't overpay. If you get along with someone, the trip should probably be gratis or close to it. A pro will probably charge a fortune. I inquired with one person and she wanted 150 per hour.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200239]I see all these posts about "gringo" prices. Considering that Colombia is not friendly at all towards sex tourism which is the only reason most of us go there to be completely honest.

If one can't pass for being Colombian whatsoever and can't barely speak the language.

Isn't it better not to hassle too much about the price??

Yes I do understand some prices girls spit out are ridiculous but if you pay 50-100 k more (17-34 $$) why is it wrong?

Some of us are only there for a couple days or don't look remotely Latin or unable to speak the language. And we are going into a country that doesn't welcome people like us at all. Unlike DR and CR the people here are not cool with you taking advantage of their women. Just my thoughts and not meant to offend anyone so any informative feedback would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]All the posts I see about gringo prices are from first time visitors who assume they are getting overcharged for everything.

Most bars, restaurants and taxis are going to charge you the normal price. You might get quoted a higher rate for the taxi from Rionegro to Medellin, but if you look at the sign with the posted rates, you can easily counter with the correct price.

Most casas have set prices. I've sat in several and watched the GTGs (Google Translate Gringos) pay the same price as the locals. For most you pay the manager for the time you want before you go to the room. At New Life you pay at the cashier window after you're done. At Lindas Chicas you pay the girl after the deed then go pay Nancy for the room and any drinks. At Energy you pay the lady at the desk after you finish.

Elsewhere girls are going to ask for however much they think they can get. This varies depending on how badly they need the money, how attractive they find you and how they currently perceive themselves. There's probably 40 other factors involved in the decision process.

Knowing what you are willing to pay should be all that matters to you.

Unless you're walking down the street screaming "quiero putas", Colombians are happy to see you. If you behave like a normal person they couldn't care less that you're paying for sex. Unless you're arguing price in public, they don't care whether you are paying too much or too little.

How well you get along with Colombians depends on how well you treat Colombians. Treat them respect, show you respect their country, don't try to tell them how much better your country is, don't be insulting and you'll find Colombians to be some of the friendliest people in the world.

Here's a recent example. Two weeks ago a semi-pro friend messaged me about a gringo she had met. She was really enjoying his company and asked me to talk to him, because he wanted to learn some things about Medellin. Before I got a chance, she told me not to bother. The guy had made a joke about some waitress or cashier that she found disrespectful. One tasteless joke and he goes from being her "Principe azul" to being a "Bobo."

Another girl I know went from being firm on 250 k then down to 200 k, 150 k, then whatever I wanted to pay, but at least 60 k plus taxi. When she was bored she once came over and spent 3 hours for 30 k, 20 for the taxi and 10 for some weed. I've talked with other mongers who complained that she wouldn't budge off the 250.

Paying a few dollars extra isn't going to earn you any respect. It's just going to get you a lot of people with their hands out looking to get some of the money you're handing out.

To close, decide what you want to pay, then go from there. Whether you're paying the going rate, or 5 times the going rate doesn't matter. It won't affect the quality of the sessions, it won't change how much people like or respect you and it won't change the way people treat you. How you treat the people is more important than how much you pay them.

I really do not think that most Colombians think we are "taking advantage" of their women. Based on my 12 years of travel there and my 9 years married to a Colombian (now ex-wife), I suggest other reasons why they are not always happy to see us:

1) For some Colombianos, there is some jealous / annoyance that we are with their women, which many of them view more as property. Obviously, this does not apply to all, because many Colombianos directly benefit from the money we given their women.

2) For some of the middle and upper class Colombianos, there is some resentment that this "low class" (as they view them) barrio chicas are getting paid so much money. Which is much, much more than they pay them to clean their houses and perform other services. The class system is alive and well.

3) Middle and upper class Colombianos don't want these girls in their barrios. Including their restaurants, bars, and malls. So they resent us because we are the ones who are either taking them there or giving them the money to afford to go there (for example, to buy a new purse).

To me, the disdain expressed "officially" by the government and others about sex tourism is laughable. What would happen if every gringo simply stayed home? Think of how much money the hotels, apartment owners, and restaurants and bars would lose. Even more would not be able to pay their rent or feed their kids. The truth is that sex tourism is helpful to business owners, the girls themselves, and the government. I could go on, but I'll stop now.

And the truth is. If anyone sometimes gets taken advantage of, it's not the girls. It's the gringo.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200239] Unlike DR and CR the people here are not cool with you taking advantage of their women. Just my thoughts and not meant to offend anyone so any informative feedback would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200239]I see all these posts about "gringo" prices. Considering that Colombia is not friendly at all towards sex tourism which is the only reason most of us go there to be completely honest.

If one can't pass for being Colombian whatsoever and can't barely speak the language.

Isn't it better not to hassle too much about the price??

Yes I do understand some prices girls spit out are ridiculous but if you pay 50-100 k more (17-34 $$) why is it wrong?

Some of us are only there for a couple days or don't look remotely Latin or unable to speak the language. And we are going into a country that doesn't welcome people like us at all. Unlike DR and CR the people here are not cool with you taking advantage of their women. Just my thoughts and not meant to offend anyone so any informative feedback would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I have never felt uncomfortable in Colombia and I have been traveling to and living in Colombia for over 20 years.

Obviously I do a lot more here than pay for pussy.

But my feeling is that Colombians are against sex tourism but not really against prostitution.

The thing is that Gringos and Colombianos go at paying for pussy in very different ways. Colombianos would never bring a street walker into their home nor take a strata two chick into a nice restaurant.

Gringos just make it so obvious what they are doing that it can hardly be ignored. Even when some gringos take out a very attractive prepago that is dressed in expensive clothes and looks and acts like she came out of a strata six barrio. The gringos still can't pull it off. Because they dress like slobs.

If you don't have a problem with women letting you take them out in public and if they are affectionate with you in public then you are most likely doing OK in the public eye.

If you notice that your dates are hesitant to go out with you in public and they don't want to sit close to you when you are out then something is off.

I don't have a problem with guys paying what they want to pay a chick.
But I think it is wise to know what is customary and reasonable and if you are paying more than other guys.
Some guys are just going to have to pay more to get what they want and there is nothing much they can do about it. If chick wants to charge me more than she charges other guys or just more than normal then a take it as a bad sign and will usually just skip it.

When I initially meet a chick I judge them on their looks, attitude, personality and by what they want to charge to spend quality time with me.
If a chick is charging more than normal then I want to know why.

Spme chicks just charge more because they are very busy and have more potential clients than they can serve so they raise their price to make more money and eliminate the less lucrative customers.

Other women when they get popular don't raise their rates but rather get picky about who they sleep with.....those are the women I prefer to spend my time with.

Adding to current price discussion, I personally I walk away if I have to pay more than the market price even she is a 10. Girls trying to take more money home is normal, but its all about self controll in those situations I think.

Anyways, I have heard Colombia is surgery country but having not been there I don't know how wide spread problem it is. I wonder how likely are butt implant amongst prepagos or are they just born with huge behinds? Because half of the girls on escort sites have huge butt and slime waist, which is almost unreal to me coming from Europe and some of those thigh / ass ratio do look suspicious. Let me put bluntly, I admire big behinds but hate fake body parts.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200296]Oh I think your misunderstanding me a little bit.

First off on the whole sex tourism thing I know of people that have been put back on the plane in Medellin because they forgot the address of the hotel they were staying at and they asked my friend if he's here for see tourism he denied it and they still sent him back so that's why I said they don't welcome it. There is also big sign somewhere in the airport that says something like no sex tourism or something along those lines. I have many Colombian friends with families in law out here that tell me the same thing.

And yes as far as business prices like taxis or even massage parlors absolutely the price should stay the same for all agreed.

I'm referring to girls who are independents strip club girls face book girls etc.

It's very obvious we are going to get a higher price than an average Colombian. If I am paying even 300 Usd (750 k cop) for a tln with a super hot girl that's a 9 or 10. That is still considerably cheaper than what I would pay in the states so I don't consider it a rip off. If I bargain her down to 250 and she accepts I just got a better deal for myself no matter how you look at it.

Yes I understand for Colombian standards it may be ridiculous but I don't think it's being ripped off. Ripped off is like robbing me or not providing services that were promised for the $$ that's agreed.

Also I read a lot about girls being flakes here and there. I ask you one simple question. If one were to be paying "gringo" prices I highly doubt that there would be such flakiness. We all have our own opinions but I don't feel like paying a little more is out of line or wrong for a girl to ask for. She sees an opportunity just like we do for cheaper pussy from hotter girls than the states.[/QUOTE]There's no correlation between price paid and flakiness. This is especially true in Medellin. Colombians even joke about it. Being on time doesn't make it onto the priority list. Most paisas will just give you a blank look when you complain that they are 2 hours late. Time management is a foreign concept.

Part of the problem is their refusal to say "no. " Instead of telling you that they can't see you in 2 hours, they'll just agree and arrive on their schedule. Making an excuse is easier than just being straight. This is not limited to prepagos. If the cable guy is going to be there at 9 am Monday, it will be Wednesday before he tells you he'll be there Friday. Next day deliveries generally take 3 days.

So you can offer to pay more, but it just means you're paying more for the same sex and she's still going to be at least 30 minutes late.

If you insist on comparing prices at home to prices in Colombia, then do it for everything. That $4 complete meal, including fresh fruit juice and tip would be $25 or more in Manhattan. Why aren't you handing over 70 k? That $100 per night apartment is $350 or more. The least you could do is hand over 600 k. Those $5 taxi rides? $50 or more, but you're probably not handing out 100 k tips. Get a girl to take you shopping in El Centro. For $20 you can get $200 of fresh produce, at US prices. Ask her how much she pays for rent and utilities. Giving her a lot more than the going rate isn't helping her. If she buys a new phone someone will steal it. If she starts spending more money someone will rob her.

Unless you're planning on becoming a Western Union Novio, your extra money is just as likely to hurt as to help. And it will have no effect on what you receive.

From my experience, does not have an abnormally huge butt. Some do, but many (most?) do not. Many of them complain about their asses to me, even if I think it's perfect. Bigger always seems to be better.

Breast implants are still way more popular, but I have seen the butt implant become more popular. I can think of two girls I know who have had them in the past 6 months and another who always was proud that she was "natural" now telling me she is wanting to save money to have one.

I suspect many of the big asses you see are implants, although not all. The only way to find out for sure is if you see them and squeeze.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2200359]Adding to current price discussion, I personally I walk away if I have to pay more than the market price even she is a 10. Girls trying to take more money home is normal, but its all about self controll in those situations I think.

Anyways, I have heard Colombia is surgery country but having not been there I don't know how wide spread problem it is. I wonder how likely are butt implant amongst prepagos or are they just born with huge behinds? Because half of the girls on escort sites have huge butt and slime waist, which is almost unreal to me coming from Europe and some of those thigh / ass ratio do look suspicious. Let me put bluntly, I admire big behinds but hate fake body parts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200296]Also I read a lot about girls being flakes here and there. I ask you one simple question. If one were to be paying "gringo" prices I highly doubt that there would be such flakiness. We all have our own opinions but I don't feel like paying a little more is out of line or wrong for a girl to ask for. She sees an opportunity just like we do for cheaper pussy from hotter girls than the states.[/QUOTE]The more you pay, the flakier the girl will be. She is trying to hurry up and get out of there before you realize what you agreed to! She does not see an opportunity; she sees a mark. An opportunity for her would be to go sell pussy where it sells for a higher price. Of course in most of those cases there is higher overhead as well. Neither do we see an opportunity for cheaper pussy. We simply go where it costs less.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200296]

First off on the whole sex tourism thing I know of people that have been put back on the plane in Medellin because they forgot the address of the hotel they were staying at and they asked my friend if he's here for see tourism he denied it and they still sent him back so that's why I said they don't welcome it.
[/QUOTE]Really? And the immigration officials were concerned about his indulging in a less than completely illegal activity? I would think with all of Colombia's problems, a tourist busting a nut would not constitute a problem worth deporting him. You don't think drug trafficking would be a bigger concern? That is actually illegal, directly involves the participation of and consumption by foreigners. Not to mention it does involve violent and highly organized crime that has seriously destabilized the country in the past. You are sure the immigration officers weren't more concerned about that? I understand Colombia's lenient laws on personal consumption have made it quite a destination for drug tourism. I keep reading about foreigners being sent to prison for drug related charges, but not much about tourists getting in any kind of trouble involving P4P activities.

I'm very confused about what a foreigner who "can't pass for Colombian" could be doing or saying to get sent back on a plane or meet with disapproval. The reason for my confusion is Poblado is just about overrun with foreigners, including backpackers, stoners, missionaries, eco-tourists, adventure travelers, and yes sex tourists. Even in Centro, Plaza Botero and the surrounding area including Veracruz is full of tour groups. My point is no one has to appear Colombian to blend in. So help me understand what is it that anyone is doing to be denied entry to the country or more to the point I suppose, to get quoted higher than normal prices.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2200304]All the posts I see about gringo prices are from first time visitors who assume they are getting overcharged for everything.

Most bars, restaurants and taxis are going to charge you the normal price. You might get quoted a higher rate for the taxi from Rionegro to Medellin, but if you look at the sign with the posted rates, you can easily counter with the correct price.

Most casas have set prices. I've sat in several and watched the GTGs (Google Translate Gringos) pay the same price as the locals. For most you pay the manager for the time you want before you go to the room. At New Life you pay at the cashier window after you're done. At Lindas Chicas you pay the girl after the deed then go pay Nancy for the room and any drinks. At Energy you pay the lady at the desk after you finish.

Elsewhere girls are going to ask for however much they think they can get. This varies depending on how badly they need the money, how attractive they find you and how they currently perceive themselves. There's probably 40 other factors involved in the decision process.

Knowing what you are willing to pay should be all that matters to you.

Unless you're walking down the street screaming "quiero putas", Colombians are happy to see you. If you behave like a normal person they couldn't care less that you're paying for sex. Unless you're arguing price in public, they don't care whether you are paying too much or too little..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2200464]Really? And the immigration officials were concerned about his indulging in a less than completely illegal activity? I would think with all of Colombia's problems, a tourist busting a nut would not constitute a problem worth deporting him. You don't think drug trafficking would be a bigger concern? That is actually illegal, directly involves the participation of and consumption by foreigners. Not to mention it does involve violent and highly organized crime that has seriously destabilized the country in the past. You are sure the immigration officers weren't more concerned about that? I understand Colombia's lenient laws on personal consumption have made it quite a destination for drug tourism. I keep reading about foreigners being sent to prison for drug related charges, but not much about tourists getting in any kind of trouble involving P4P activities.[/QUOTE]It definitely happened to my friend and then the first time I went to Mde my Airbnb host said the exact same thing to me.

The officers aren't dumb and if you're a Colombian living in the country I can totally see some bitterness being involved in how foreigners are coming in with $$ to take their women. I would say if you run into the wrong officer on the wrong day he can give you problems just for the heck of it. Considering any legal issues can be handled with a bribe things aren't so straight all the time.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2200296]First off on the whole sex tourism thing I know of people that have been put back on the plane in Medellin because they forgot the address of the hotel they were staying at and they asked my friend if he's here for see tourism he denied it and they still sent him back so that's why I said they don't welcome it. There is also big sign somewhere in the airport that says something like no sex tourism or something along those lines. I have many Colombian friends with families in law out here that tell me the same thing.[/QUOTE]That sign in the airport (not sure it's still there since they are doing a lot of construction in the airport) is about minors. Almost everyone I come in contact with in Medellin has treated me very well. There have been a couple of old ladies at or near apartment buildings where I have stayed that didn't like the fact I was with young chicas. Everyone else I have come in contact with has treated me very well. I respect the local people and never act like I am entitled to something just because I am from the US.

Truisms about my many years and more Colombiana women I can count, my opinions and although hard to say and somewhat painful to read is accurate:

1. Colombian women, more precisely paisas are ALL attention WG (just look at facebook of even young non-pros / WG in waiting).

2. The police are all corrupt, the mentality of the average Colombian is all about greed and jealousy and fucking the rich gringo, they lie all of the time, they are opportunists, they will steal and cheat the first chance they can.

3. Full of drama.

4. Every chica can be had if the price is right.

5. I could give a shit about bringing a strata 2 girl into any establishment, fuck what any colombian thinks, they are uneasy only because you are bringing to the light what colombian culture is all about, which is they have none, if you think they do it is only a good front.

6. The stereotype of the perfect paisa looking woman is such that if money was not an issue all paisas would have numerous cosmetic surgeries as young as starting at 15, they would turn their natural and beautiful bodies into a grotesque globe of exaggerated butts and breasts and lips, yes they would fuck their bodies up beyond belief and believe they look great.

7. If you allow them they WILL take advantage of you, you will overpay, they think of you as not being generous but rather a weak and stupid gringo, no respect. You must take control, simply act how the Colombian men do, don't give a shit about these bitches, don't care about them, they come and go as easy and often as taking a shit in the toilet.

8. Remember, if they are not with you they are fucking someone else, do NOT listen and believe anything such as promises and words, they are great lies!

9. Etc. , etc. , etc.

IMPORTANT. The above being said, I can't get enough of these paisas, hands-down the sweetest and some of the most passionate lovers in the world!

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2200506]Truisms about my many years and more Colombiana women I can count, my opinions and although hard to say and somewhat painful to read is accurate:.[/QUOTE]I completely agree and have no reason to disagree. Salute this post.

When I first read the post, I thought how true these statements were. Until I gave it some thought. These are not "truisms" but more like stereotypes. Many of the statements apply to many third world or impoverished countries.

I had dinner last night with a paisa and we had a lengthy discussion. It lasted 2+ hours and no sex was involved (sadly). We talked too much! She wanted to know about Americans. Just like the truisms mentioned here, she had her own set of truisms about Americans based on her interactions. Drunks, aggressive, egotistical and that Americans feel they are better than the rest of the world. And more. I can easily see how she got this impression since many Americans act exactly like this, especially in Colombia. Of course, it is a stereotype.

I could go on, but suffice to say that I have met many paisas that don't fit any of the truisms mentioned. In general, I have found paisas to be kind and helpful people with strong values. However, in a society where people are often deprived basic necessities, one does what one has to do.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2200506]Truisms about my many years and more Colombiana women I can count, my opinions and although hard to say and somewhat painful to read is accurate:.[/QUOTE]