Angeles City

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2456678]Fields walking street from one sign in front of Envy to the other sign by McDonald has been strictly blocked off since March 16th. There has Been NO CHANGE in this at all. We go to MGCQ on July 15th and I don't think it changes then either. It will remain Blocked IMO till total curfew and quarantines are lifted full 100 % whenever the hell that may be. Phillies and Envy are open to pick up only I think 11 am to 6 pm. drug stores mini marts and 7-11's open. All stores require Mask to enter. Cellphone and clothes stores stalls in that area open, Solon's are still not has of today June 7 . ( Maybe tomorrow) The Blue taxi were out in fill force June 1 and the Jeeps are Now running 50% capacity starting I think Friday June 5th Msk required to ride. The Malls open also Food Medical eyeglasses and drugs and Hardware stores only Mask and quarantine pass require to enter. But that's pretty much it. From ABC hotel to MacArthur this whole strip 83 days and counting. I don't see anything changing much towards Night life entertainment and recreational openings Bars Gyms Casinos ect ect till SEPT 1st at earliest if they ever do. Its over here the party is over.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the legwork. It is possible many girls went to their province. Old freedom to kiss, hug, play and fuck seem to have gone. Even if you find girls it will be more like a mechanical courtship.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2456899]Legitimate businessmen the world over do not go into the prostitution business, particularly in a country where prostitution is illegal.........[/QUOTE]What is a legitimate businessman? Many decades ago I knew this guy who owned a regular bar. Business was not so good so he started having prostitutes in his establishment. Is a bar owner a legitimate businessman? If he turns that bar into a brothel does he automatically cease to be a legitimate businessman?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457205]What is a legitimate businessman? Many decades ago I knew this guy who owned a regular bar. Business was not so good so he started having prostitutes in his establishment. Is a bar owner a legitimate businessman? If he turns that bar into a brothel does he automatically cease to be a legitimate businessman?[/QUOTE]A small percentage of guys here will always think prostitution is evil. This way they can call the dancers names and pretend they are somehow better than the sex workers they rent. The guy you knew ran a legitimate business to people that have no internal problems w the sex industry. The rest of the population are either ignorant or jealous of the money and fun the sex workers can enjoy. I'm posting to keep my membership active is all. The hypocrites that think we're doing something wrong in this hobby cannot be cured. They've been hardwire brainwashed and will never accept a win win reality.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457205]What is a legitimate businessman? [/QUOTE]A businessman legally authorized to do the business he is doing in the jurisdiction in which he is doing business.

[QUOTE=Socker;2457281]A small percentage of guys here will always think prostitution is evil. [/QUOTE]Its very evil, dirty, sleazy, ugly, and that's why I love it. If I wanted to go to church I would. That guy is asking if a legitimate business man can turn to illegitimate business and still be called an legitimate business man. The answer here is muddy, if he only promotes "lady's" night as in does not charge for lady's to enter the establishment and offers a free drink or other free and clear incentives and does not profit overtly off the girls as in bar fines and does not offer commissions E. G. Lady drinks. If the bar owner only promotes the bar to be a freelancer hangout and does not take a cut of the actual prostitution, and just turns a blind eye to the illicit activity I would say this to be a gray area but not illegal, I would also say they are well within their licence to do so. If they however take bar fine money and offer commissions for lady drinks and incentives, this would be a breach of his business licence and would then make him illegitimate as he most certainty would not be reporting this on his taxes and promoting an illegal activity, this is what we would refer to as "on the take". If the owner is not "on the take" they are still legitimate. There are ways to stay legitimate it just depends on if they are willing to take steps to do so or if they are actually willing to become illegitimate and take that illegitimate money.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457205]What is a legitimate businessman? Many decades ago I knew this guy who owned a regular bar. Business was not so good so he started having prostitutes in his establishment. Is a bar owner a legitimate businessman? If he turns that bar into a brothel does he automatically cease to be a legitimate businessman?[/QUOTE]You will know that since time immemorial, the prostitution business has attracted unsavory characters. Kind of like bees to honey. It's a business which deals in large amounts of cash and is easily associated with various ancillary businesses. Narcotics, extortion, immigration rackets, money laundering, human trafficking and gambling go perfectly together with prostitution.

I don't know where you come from, but generally in RWML, it is not a socially acceptable business to be in. Even though it's legal in my country, most brothel owners keep a very low profile.

No point in you defending the indefensible. I'm just stating the bleeding obvious.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2456899]Legitimate businessmen the world over do not go into the prostitution business, particularly in a country where prostitution is illegal. Yes, yes, I know. The girls are only Guest Relations Officers and not prostitutes. The bar fine is more correctly an Early Work Release Permit, allowing the Guest Relations Officer to leave work early so that the bar can recover the revenue which she would have generated from drink sales. Hahahahaha. Many gullible Australian and American retirees, who fancied themselves as international hospitality industry tycoons, invested in bars in AC, but quickly went bust. They didn't realize you needed a proper business plan, beyond what they could draw on a wet cocktail napkin. They also didn't realize the connections needed within city hall and the additional monthly expenses to be made. Most of the other bars are run by international crime syndicates with the full connivance of the police. You all know what the main game is.

In the old days, every kid in RWML dreamt of being a photographer for Playboy. Many mongers think they would be living their dream by owning a bar in AC.[/QUOTE]The days of owning a bar for a westerner ended in 2008 when the raids started for human trafficking. Those raids went on for a few yrs and 2011 they was pretty heavy hitting those bars every few weeks or so at random times. That totally wiped out any desire for a old retired westerner to own a Bar on retirement plan and drink himself to death. About 2012 or so was the start of the Korean invasion and little by little they moved in and took over. We are now at another cross roads to where things will go for Fields ave. I believe casinos are going to be replacing them for Chinese take over and they kickin even the Koreans out of here. . Just my opinion thou nothing more. That BIG shopping mall condo complex on Perimeter is Chinese money. Its a sad time now for AC I think. Think about it how hard would it be to raze that whole 2 blocks of fields of all the bars a week it be gone the whole thing.take a look at freelancer park right now its a parking lot thats what fields could look like in a week with a few Back hoes and bulldozers and a fleet of dumptrucks

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2457454] Think about it how hard would it be to raze that whole 2 blocks of fields of all the bars a week it be gone the whole thing.take a look at freelancer park right now its a parking lot thats what fields could look like in a week with a few Back hoes and bulldozers and a fleet of dumptrucks[/QUOTE]Indonesia did a big purge across the country of several eye shore hot spots some still remain but there used to be extremely sleazy, in Northern Thailand a few of my hotspots now gone for good, due to generals being toppled and their army ran brothels dried up. China has done alot of red light district extermination across the country as a whole as well. So your right a shift in investment can sway the local government to clean up its act. Having to drive through Clark and the eye sore that is AC all of the SJWs will cringe at the sight of that row of bars. The SJW money is not going to go pouring in Clark unless fields is wiped out, If occupancy declines and there is some legit investor in Clark that wants to clean up fields and make clark an international travel hub that could trigger a major change. Them wanting to make Clark a major airport is going to put pressure on them to get rid of AC, this has been an issue but AC has persevered for whatever reason. Luckily we have other destinations already primed for this in phils but the concentration in AC has been too dense to make any of these other locals viable. AC is just too convenient, 30 min off the plane you could be fucking some nasty hooker, that is hard to beat anywhere in the world. If the monger traffic gets pushed out of AC nightlife is not going to dry up it will just move to a "nicer" location imo. Subic for instance is just missing volume and quality, I would be happy to skip manila if I could get a direct flight into clark from the states and then take a shuttle to subic. Subic is kind of missing something right now but if it picks up it could be a much nicer replacement for AC, may fulfill its destiny and become the pattaya it was meant to be.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2457345]A businessman legally authorized to do the business he is doing in the jurisdiction in which he is doing business.[/QUOTE]So if a man is in the business of selling law books and the law requires him to pay an annual fee to do so and in a particular year he forgets to pay the fee so that he is conducting his business outside of that particular requirement of the law, that man ceases to be a legitimate businessman?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2457472]So if a man is in the business of selling law books and the law requires him to pay an annual fee to do so and in a particular year he forgets to pay the fee so that he is conducting his business outside of that particular requirement of the law, that man ceases to be a legitimate businessman?[/QUOTE]No of course not. But if he starts gathering hookers in his book store and starts bar fining said hookers out of his book store and has VIP scantily clad lady "book" readings in the back, guess what he is not any more? You are trying real hard to make this guy out to be legitimate when he turned to selling hookers. Wha? I would pat this guy on the back and would be the first to spend money at his business but in this particular case come on. Of course he made more money when you are not paying taxes and selling a product with higher margins than alcohol, don't need to be a physicist to figure out why he made more money, you would make more money too if you stopped paying taxes. See how legitimate you feel tax evading like wesley snipes. If you disregard the girls the tax evasion alone pegs one as illegitimate.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2457454]The days of owning a bar for a westerner ended in 2008 when the raids started for human trafficking. Those raids went on for a few yrs and 2011 they was pretty heavy hitting those bars every few weeks or so at random times. That totally wiped out any desire for a old retired westerner to own a Bar on retirement plan and drink himself to death. About 2012 or so was the start of the Korean invasion and little by little they moved in and took over. We are now at another cross roads to where things will go for Fields ave. I believe casinos are going to be replacing them for Chinese take over and they kickin even the Koreans out of here. . Just my opinion thou nothing more. That BIG shopping mall condo complex on Perimeter is Chinese money. Its a sad time now for AC I think. Think about it how hard would it be to raze that whole 2 blocks of fields of all the bars a week it be gone the whole thing.take a look at freelancer park right now its a parking lot thats what fields could look like in a week with a few Back hoes and bulldozers and a fleet of dumptrucks[/QUOTE]I feel bad for the many high rise hotel owners. They poured plenty of money into it compared to bars in rundown buildings. Hotels are only catering to men looking for girls exclusively. They might get a golf game in during daytime But their main aim is bars and girls. Many girls made good money but very few stay there long number of years. Girls just do not go there by themselves. They are recruited by mamasans.

Who entice them in the villages. They were told of good life, good money and good living. With the exception of few many just get by with no choice in life. Sooner or later they go back to their village and somehow survive. Drinking and dancing as a way of entertainment unlike western girls is alien to them day in and day out.

Koreans and Chinese have built resorts and casinos outside fields which are going to survive. So will some of the good looking girls they like.

For the rest of the nationalities there is no luck if the bars do not open.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2457563]I feel bad for the many high rise hotel owners. They poured plenty of money into it compared to bars in rundown buildings. Hotels are only catering to men looking for girls exclusively. They might get a golf game in during daytime But their main aim is bars and girls. Many girls made good money but very few stay there long number of years. Girls just do not go there by themselves. They are recruited by mamasans.

Who entice them in the villages. They were told of good life, good money and good living. With the exception of few many just get by with no choice in life. Sooner or later they go back to their village and somehow survive. Drinking and dancing as a way of entertainment unlike western girls is alien to them day in and day out.

Koreans and Chinese have built resorts and casinos outside fields which are going to survive. So will some of the good looking girls they like.

For the rest of the nationalities there is no luck if the bars do not open.[/QUOTE]If you look at how the bars and hotels are currently sitting on fields now You really don't have to touch half of fields. Most of the hotels and restaurant on fields are on one block and the bars on the other block.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2457656]If you look at how the bars and hotels are currently sitting on fields now You really don't have to touch half of fields. Most of the hotels and restaurant on fields are on one block and the bars on the other block.[/QUOTE]The new hotels are being erected to support real businessmen, not mongers searching for BBFSCIP.

Pampanga is a major area for manufacturing, BPO and other businesses. Most investment for manufacturing comes from China, Korea and Japan. The Philippines is also a fan of China's Belt and Road initiatives and Du30 eagerly sells stakes in the country to his Chinese masters.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2457682]The new hotels are being erected to support real businessmen, not mongers searching for BBFSCIP.

Pampanga is a major area for manufacturing, BPO and other businesses. Most investment for manufacturing comes from China, Korea and Japan. The Philippines is also a fan of China's Belt and Road initiatives and Du30 eagerly sells stakes in the country to his Chinese masters.[/QUOTE]Real business men that like to stay in hotels in fields ave. Nice. I want to be that kind of business man.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2457481]No of course not. But if he starts gathering hookers in his book store and starts bar fining said hookers out of his book store and has VIP scantily clad lady "book" readings in the back, guess what he is not any more? You are trying real hard to make this guy out to be legitimate when he turned to selling hookers. Wha? I would pat this guy on the back and would be the first to spend money at his business but in this particular case come on. Of course he made more money when you are not paying taxes and selling a product with higher margins than alcohol, don't need to be a physicist to figure out why he made more money, you would make more money too if you stopped paying taxes. See how legitimate you feel tax evading like wesley snipes. If you disregard the girls the tax evasion alone pegs one as illegitimate.[/QUOTE]Patronizing an illegitimate business is in itself illegitimate. By your own definition your sex life is illegitimate which probably causes you some measure of consternation. I have no such difficulty.