Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1508148]I agree, lots of mediocre ones considering the prices.

What are the jap forums you are talking about?

Are you saying that "ippuns" are paying more, on average, than most of us on ISG?[/QUOTE]I'm saying the common belief that Ippuns are paying way over the top is just highly questionable. Their deameanor with the girls is not in question. Much more forgiving and not as demanding. Ask the girls-they will say very few troublesome Ippuns around.

Ponder this. Why would any race want to pay twice what others are paying? Makes no sense. Salarymen work hard like everyone else for their yen.

[QUOTE=CyberHard; 1507738]First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.

Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2, 500.

Is MSOG the norm? Looking at the Eden website (and other) , they advertise 4, 200 for 2 girls. Is that all inclusive (less tip if 1 is so inclined)? What is the going rate for the ladies, less whatever the massage cost? Please help make me a better monger.

Thanks,

Cyberhard[/QUOTE]We all learn by trying (or by listening to the trials of others) :

As a newbie, never go with a girl without FIRST having established services and prices. Once in her room (or in the taxi, or walking to the hotel, or.) negotiations get more difficult. 2500 baht for a one shot short time is on the high side of the market.

In Eden Club you get all the shots you can manage in your 90 minutes. I usually get 2, sometimes 3 if the girls are really inspiring me.

Rimming is part of the deal at Eden. Most of the times I was there, CIM was no problem.

The price is indeed all inclusive at Eden, except for drinks and tips (a few hundred baht for each girl will do nicely).

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1507840]Amusing. Some of us Farangs always operate as nice guys and not stingy (just a few) so we don't all need teaching. Some guys do need some hints though as they wonder why they never get a GFE.

My definition of LT includes morning wakeup sex, not leaving at 4 or 5. Having a girl in bed with me is of little use while I am asleep. So I definitely ask girls what time they have to leave by. The phone translate bit was amusing. It sounds like you are saying its practical, however I have not seen anything that does a good job of translating English to Thai automatically. Google Translate is quite shitty, for example. The Thai sometimes reads like nonsense. Perhaps okay for very simple sentences. Fortunately I speak Thai, so its not a problem to me personally.

Largely girls trust me and don't even negotiate a price.[/QUOTE]Negotiation is part of the game. Unless you have been with the girl before or know her well always negotiate the terms.

This is strictly business. Negotiating before will more likely save you from ugly situations with regard to money and service later. Once discussed most P4P girls abide by it.

Also it shows the girl who is the boss.

As per GFE it is hard to say which girl will give you. Depends on lots of chemistry between participants and also the personality. You cannot demand GFE. It comes naturally if it does.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1508181]Negotiation is part of the game. Unless you have been with the girl before or know her well always negotiate the terms.

This is strictly business. Negotiating before will more likely save you from ugly situations with regard to money and service later. Once discussed most P4P girls abide by it.

Also it shows the girl who is the boss.

As per GFE it is hard to say which girl will give you. Depends on lots of chemistry between participants and also the personality. You cannot demand GFE. It comes naturally if it does.[/QUOTE]To negotiate or not? Depends on how much you know about the girl and the scene. For example if you are at an oily where you have not paid upfront it's the standard 500/1000/1500 tariff, no more no less. If you prepaid as you will at the soapies and now alas most oilies it's only a question of whether you give an extra tip or not. It's not obligatory but somewhat expected. 200 to 500 is sufficient. If it's a freelance situation, unless you know what the going rate is and this varies from place to place and girl to girl and you always pay over the odds then it's absolutely necessary to agree price before taking her home. Also be aware of the 'it's up to you' response. This is where she hopes you will pay over the odds and if you don't you will quickly find out what her base rate is when you don't. This also applies to go go's. As described this is a business transaction where she should know exactly what you are expecting in terms of service and length of stay and she should know what she is being paid. As regards GFE this is a fiction and simply part of some girl's skill set. Agreed where the 'chemistry 'is good the experience is better but don't believe the illusion that somehow she genuinely feels you are special and different from the pack. Just my opinion!

Nice reports! It is good to see some actual field work vs arguing.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ATexGuy; 1507674]My last day of my pilgrimage to Asia and my sweet friend from Baccara overslept even though I tried to wake her up a couple times. A few times before she left she asked if we were going to spend my last night in Bangkok together and each time I told her that I probably would not be going to Soi Cowboy to barfine her. I think she was a little disappointed but given her good nature she just smiled, hugged me and left for her retail job on the other side of Bangkok. One more night with this sweet girl and I would have felt a connection and it was best to end it than have to say goodbye to her the morning of my departure. I didn't come here to fall in love or develop any feelings for one girl and that is why I never spent my afternoons with any girl that I spent an evening with.

Today would be a day of rest, as I attempted to try to get back on schedule with the US. My plan was to visit Le Belle one last time and then head to Rainbow 4 to barfine a girl on my last night. After a few hours at the pool, I took a great nap and then headed off to my favorite place in Bangkok. Well that is until today.

I arrived at Le Belle around 6pm and the pps who had helped me the two times I was there this week was off today. I got a mms that didn't speak very good English..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1508219]As regards GFE this is a fiction and simply part of some girl's skill set. Agreed where the 'chemistry 'is good the experience is better but don't believe the illusion that somehow she genuinely feels you are special and different from the pack. Just my opinion![/QUOTE]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.

I too am of the belief GFE is full of shit. They are prostitutes, they know it the guy should know it too. How many of you really think a prolific poster here, who is an old man is pleasuring girls as far as the eye can see and the girls are reciprocating.

Fair payment for freelancers is a tough one. What does one pay an ex-Rainbow star for an hour of her time? She was banned from A Rainbow due to being non-thai. I'm at 2500 baht now looking to go lower. Its business-her value isn't as great now that she freelances. She doesn't have dicks cumming at her from all angles.

The wild thing Nana Plaza 3rd floor. Interesting. 3 ugly old barfinable girls, the rest look like coyotes. Doesn't look like a profitable business model. Huge space very few customers-only a matter of time before bankruptcy. I won't be back.

Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1508229]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. That she's not different, and guys who fall for these chicks just because they give good GFE are playing Russian roulette at best!

GFE, yes it's a skillset, as Franciscass said, thing is, if I have a customer at my widget business, and I like him or her, I can make life a little pleasanter in a thousand ways, same goes for the GFE, by all means, negotiate, be masculine, dominate subtly, but the girl is a human being, she has a job to do, but it goes faster if it's done in the company of a Gentleman, and most humans respond to kindness and civility with kindness and civility, regardless of how much or little we choose to pay.

All I'm saying is don't throw money away, and don't be a jerk when you are working the deal or the girl. Simple.

Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1508229]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.[/QUOTE]Actually to be fair the girls in the P4P space are not all the same no more so than say girls who are nurses or teachers are all the same. While it's true the so called GFE is simply part of a girl's skill set they do have different personalities and different attitudes towards what they do. Some are just naturally friendly and eager to please the customer while others for whatever reason are distant unfeeling and waiting for the pop so they wrap up and get paid. Being respectful and considerate doesn't cost anything and whether she is GFE or not both of you will come away feeling better about the encounter.

[QUOTE=TorbJorn;1508329]Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?[/QUOTE]It is all included. Just choose a lady that stands to the left of the yellow line in the bar.

Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.

Must be due to to lack of customers. Or maybe its customer appreciation week.

RE-GFE skillset. I don't think its even a skillset- some girls are just easy to get along with. Its how they are. These must get a lot of repeat business.

I hope this girl was damn good for 5000THB. I have not been to Rainbow4 but if you paid 5000 for her I might have to go check it out next time for some stunners. I usually pay 3000 for LT and get 3 pops (2 through the night and one for a wake up call).

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;1507658]A 600THB/$20USD bar fine and I was heading back to the Aloft with one of these girls. While I wasn't sure how long I wanted to keep this girl, I decided to pay the 5000THB/$155USD LT rate for this girl and just see how it goes. I ended up keeping her for a couple hours and sent her home so that I could get some well needed sleep. While she told me at the bar 2 times for LT, I think she would have let me hit it as many times as I could have gone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CheeChee889; 1508529]Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.

Must be due to to lack of customers. Or maybe its customer appreciation week.

RE-GFE skillset. I don't think its even a skillset- some girls are just easy to get along with. Its how they are. These must get a lot of repeat business.[/QUOTE]I wonder, that with your attitude, that you get anything worthwhile from the women. Sorry that your GF dumped you, but there is no need to bash people who are looking for that GFE experience. Yes, they all know it is an illusion but for that brief moment they feel good. So what is wrong with that. You need a different and positive attitude, man. Time to contribute something more than your 7 posts of nothing.