FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Ceaston;1160846]We stepped inside and looked around and immediately spotting naked women up to the left waiting for their last client to hand them the hard? Earned money. I noticed I was getting a bit tenser as I realized that this was actually happening.[/QUOTE]I had similar impression during my first visit to Artemis. Even before I got into frontdesk counter, I saw few total nude girls on upstairs doing their money collecting. Had instant win feeling. Yes, this is The Place.

At same door opening came into Artemis one very petite dark haired girl. Wanted so bad to see her figure naked. Unfortunatelly I never saw her later on evening-night. Too many places to hide on Artemis.

[QUOTE=RogerW; 1163311]Hi guys,

I will be visiting, Artemis for the first time next week. I've seen mentions in reports that smoking is allowed in some aras, however I am a heavy cigar smoker, do you know if this is bothersome, other than the smell of my mouth for the ladies.

On an other mater, I also love to smoke something else when engaged in sexual activities. Are there any "private" places or quiet ones so it doesn't get noticed? Or the rooms upstairs with the girls? Any expérience / recommendations?

Will anyways report m'why experience end of next week.

Cheers,

Roger[/QUOTE]Smoking cigars should be no problem. Yes some girls might have an aversion but they are unlikely to say so. Of course you might not get as enthusiastic kissing but this can happen for many reasons and as a cigar smoker it is something that is just a fact of life.

As for the other-I have heard that in the clubs you can get away with it. Artemis I would be very cautious and definitely not smoke inside. I know of one girl (can not remember her name but she is Polish) who after a few meetings confessed to me that she likes a smoke while she is working. But as I do not touch the stuff I never pursued it nor found out where and how she accomplishes it.

AM

Smoking something else could cause some difficulty. The clubs are very keen to be seen to be keeping to the letter of the law, and are not keen on certain strong smells wafting around the public areas. Of course some people do, but they are very circumspect, and do not indulge in the main rooms. Even in the private rooms the use of room fresheners / perfume etc on exit might could be sensible

[QUOTE=RogerW;1163311]On an other mater, I also love to smoke something else when engaged in sexual activities. Are there any "private" places or quiet ones so it doesn't get noticed? Or the rooms upstairs with the girls? Any expérience / recommendations?[/QUOTE]Hmmm.

Smoking dope is forbidden on the premises as is snorting coke.

I strongly recommend that you desist from either of these activities in any public areas of Artemis or you are likely to be thrown out and banned.

Having said that, it is possible to have a spliff in the room upstairs if the girl is cool with it. Some don't mind, some are wary of the management. If the girl says that it's OK with her to smoke a joint in the room, do it out of the window so the room doesn't stink of grass or she might get into trouble. Ask her to choose a room overlooking the railway lines at the back, not one of the 'central rooms' with windows into the atrium or one with a frontal view over the carpark.

None of the foregoing is the consequence of personal experience of course. Just guesswork on my part.

Charlie

[QUOTE=RogerW; 1163311]I am a heavy cigar smoker, do you know if this is bothersome, other than the smell of my mouth for the ladies. I also love to smoke something else when engaged in sexual activities. Are there any "private" places or quiet ones so it doesn't get noticed?[/QUOTE]Is heavy cigar smoke bothersome? Why on earth would you possibly think that, and even ask the question? Well here is the shocking, unexpected answer. . . . .yes.
However, in the spirit of the tolerant man that I am, you heavy cigar smokers should consider Garrison Kiellor's well known universal cure-all: duct tape. Especially on these very hot days where the Arts air con & ventilation systems can barely cope, it really is a bit much to impose this on the rest of us, and especially the girls. But to each his own.

On the herbal side of things, you might consider using the not-so-well-known stairs outside the dining area to go up to the equally not-so-well-known 3rd floor roof terrace. It is a large open air space, with a number of quiet corners, lounge chairs, and stunning views of the trains, autobahn, and the Messe grounds. If you were just a little discrete, I should think it's not a big deal, and far safer than any other options there in the rooms. But you are on your own in this as there are some video cameras up there - scope it out and see what you think. You can even consume your cigars up there, and be socially responsible. Surely, in the rest of the establishment, there are more than enough alternative objects to put in your mouth? Happy puffing and toking. . .

I am tired of women keep wanting to have sex with me!

[QUOTE=Charlie 123; 1162800]I get plenty of that shit too. It comes with the territory. Don't take it to heart. They are there with the sole express purpose of getting guys to take them to the room. Whether it's shaking their ass at a new punter or bitching to an existing client that it's about time he took her to the room again, it's all just business technique to them.

Learn to brush them off nicely but firmly, and if that doesn't do the trick then remind them in no uncertain terms that procedure states that it's the guy that pays and thus the guy that chooses who, when and where. Period. And then cross them off the list.[/QUOTE]There is one girl there, a tall slim German blonde called Jane, and every ten to fifteen minutes she will find some excuse to brush by me and give me a sad or disgusted look. It's all because a few weeks ago I said I would go with her in an hour or two, and then she wasn't around so I went with somebody else.

Now she says the only way I can make it up to her is to have sex with her. She may be beautiful but at this stage I would rather have sex with a tank of crossdressing piranhas.

She has even taken to hanging around the lockers waiting for me to come out with a girl, so she can whisper God-knows-what to her.

I am at my wits' end. If I can't find a solution here I will have to write to Dr. Dot or Ann Landers or somebody. In fact the whole Artemis experience is taking a psychological toll on me and I am finding it harder and harder to concentrate on my office work during the daytime.

[QUOTE=The Limey; 1164101]There is one girl there, a tall slim German blonde called Jane, and every ten to fifteen minutes she will find some excuse to brush by me and give me a sad or disgusted look. It's all because a few weeks ago I said I would go with her in an hour or two, and then she wasn't around so I went with somebody else.

Now she says the only way I can make it up to her is to have sex with her. [/QUOTE]Jane from Hamburg, she is stunning looking but stick to your guns. She's not worth the effort from my experience.

There are plenty of better ladies in Artemis.

[QUOTE=The Limey; 1164101]She has even taken to hanging around the lockers waiting for me to come out with a girl, so she can whisper God-knows-what to her.

I am at my wits' end. If I can't find a solution here I will have to write to Dr. Dot or Ann Landers or somebody. In fact the whole Artemis experience is taking a psychological toll on me and I am finding it harder and harder to concentrate on my office work during the daytime. [/QUOTE]Sorry if I'm being really stupid here, but I can't tell if you are being serious or ironic. I expect the latter.

Either way, whether she is giving you real grief or just being a minor irritation, I have a suggestion for you to end the feud. Why don't you buy her a small present (a perfume or something) , give it to her next time you see her with an apology for 'having led her to suppose that you wanted to session with her whereas in fact she is very beautiful but just not your type'?

If she bothers you again after that then she really is a graceless **** and you should tell management.

I'll probably get a bucketful of derision for having totally misunderstood your post, but actually I think my suggestion would work for a number of awkward misunderstandings that occur from time to time at Artemis, so I'm going to let the post stand.

Best,

Charlie

[QUOTE=Charlie 123; 1164143]Why don't you buy her a small present (a perfume or something) , give it to her next time you see her with an apology for 'having led her to suppose that you wanted to session with her whereas in fact she is very beautiful but just not your type'?

I think my suggestion would work for a number of awkward misunderstandings that occur from time to time at Artemis, so I'm going to let the post stand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion Checkpoint, but I'm not sure I want to go down the road of Appeasement. I might end up having to make concessions to all the Germans there.

[QUOTE=The Limey;1164250]Thanks for the suggestion Checkpoint, but I'm not sure I want to go down the road of Appeasement. I might end up having to make concessions to all the Germans there.[/QUOTE]Limey,

I remember her. Very tall and thin. She came by and I think I might have told her "maybe later because I just got here". I tell most girls that but sometimes it backfires because they do not take the hint. Jane took the hint and hasn't bothered me but some other girls understood it to mean that maybe I will go with them. I think the best thing to do if you know that they are not your type is to say no or you are not my type. That way they will not bother you. If they sense weakness they will keep coming back in the hopes that they will shame you into a session. There were a few Romanian or bulgarian girls that would keep coming by because I made the mistake of saying "maybe later". When I go there Saturday night I will try to practice what I preach.

Personally I think you guys are reading way to much into all of this. Sometimes a girl will hound you and a "maybe later" is an invitation to re-hound. But most of the time I think they do not consider it all that much. They are just out there on the floor doing their thing and some of them are persistant. It is, after all, a reasonably effective strategy, just wear down the the customer's resistance. It may not look smart from our perspective but it happens often enough that I have to assume it works.

I kind of like Charlie's suggestion. It is proactive and better, in my opinion, than just coming here and grumbling about it.

A

Ohh but she's so slim. How can such a small pussy carry such a big whip?

Is anyone familiar with the Sex and Love Addicts Anon. Group here in Berlin? I understand they meet on Thursday nights on Fehrbellinerstr 92, Senefelderplz. I was wondering if they might lend a sympathetic ear to a case like mine. Mine is the worst situation since London Traveller's famous 'Jaded' post.

There are no iron rules. In general Angus is correct. Whilst the girls know that "maybe later" usually means no, they often will try a repeat approach because sometimes the customer really means it. This has an upside in that you can temporise and know the girl will try again (who would object to Nina trying a second or third time?). However in general the best thing is to tell the truth. Then your body language and words won't be giving mixed signals.

As for being hounded by Jane because you once said maybe later, the best option would be to say simply, confidently, and pleasantly that you will not go with her, and that you are sorry for any confusion. A second option (a bit rude after your initial friendly response) is to blank her. Remember that you are just one amongst many insignificant fish in the sea for her. If you really think she is a bit mentally unbalanced then you will have to judge carefully.

It sounds that she is not earning very well if she is hanging around the lockers for you. That should be a warning sign (given what others have said about her). Using emotional blackmail as she is doing is a common tactic amongst girls who are not making a great success of their career. As for what she says at the lockers to other girls? My guess would be that it is something bitchy. The girls can be very sharp with each other when they fight over a customer. All in the land of speculation