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[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908042]But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Revere;1908206]You cannot have that low class I do not care mentality around because they have no respect for no one and as we now see ruin it for everybody. NO one can be surprised by this you all saw it and knew this was coming. Now we see the damage of what low class people can do to an environment.[/QUOTE]You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.
Does a brother have a correct understand of the situation here?
[QUOTE=Revere;1907601]I thought about what you said you are absolutely right! The one place that could pull it off is boca chica. You do not have the same issues with a high end group not happy about the prostitution. Boca Chica really is an extension of santo domingo and the barrio. Now the italians there might not be happy, but the barrio rules boca chica at the end of the day and everyone knows the weekend there is everyone from santo domingo - they do not care and have no problem with your flow. It could work. To be honest, it could be better as airport has more flights to major cities and cheaper to get there. That is where it will happen and makes more sense. Unfortunately, the poor people in sosua who are the drivers and low income workers who depend on mongers lose.[/QUOTE]Yea Revere that's where the action use to be, Boca Chica back in the day was where a lot of the Santo Domingo getaways would go before Sosua became popular.
Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. But all of this blame on the Weekend Warriors and the Wolf Pack's for the destruction of sosua is off. I don't see how these people are directly to blame for the destruction of the Sue. These people do not control the government nor do they control the quality of women or services. Dominican people controls its own culture. The Dominican women control the type of service. And the Dominican government controls it's on law enforcement. Whether it's the weekend warrior a wolf pack fraternity group the South Carolina lacrosse team the Harvard and Yale Polo Club or the solo freelancer, an American dollar is an American dollar and the Dominican doesn't care where it comes from. How foreigners are behaving means nothing to the Dominican people. How the hell can strange death and or abduction of a foreigner under unusual circumstances which a lot of time includes his Dominican girlfriend and her boyfriend get les presidents then a guy swinging on a prostitute. It's all Dominicans and there fight for decency among their people and dinero. The citizens of sosua are tired of there City being a Haven for prostitution. The vote was cast one candidate was for change the other candidate wanted things to stay the same. You cannot stop prostitution in the Dominican of Republic because it's legal. A lot of money goes in sosua from hotel chains and restaurants and Banks. A lot of money also goes out of sosua because most of the girls don't live there. The people in sosua have to live with their own shame of being labeled a prostitution destination. Since prostitution is the problem prostitution is the target. Weekend Warriors are not targeted Wolfpack are not targeted the solo Traveler is not targeted. It has nothing to do with them. I listen to the old heads talk. I heard about the rise and fall of Boca Chica. The Dominicans cops touts chicas business owners and local people would the destruction of their own demise. Sosua had less corruption geographically located away from Santo Domingo and Santiago and a Beach. The word got out about the money to be made in sosua among Dominicans. Santa Domingo cliqued up and change the format of service. No one complained. The crime rates skyrocket in sosua. No one complained. The quality of chica noticeably lessened and no one complained. I can only imagine how many complaints have been made to the US Embassy on behalf of its citizens about the treatment they received while in the Dominican of Republic. To think that one single incident that did not involve the death of a citizen can cause the USA Embassy to give a damn is Ludacris. The citizens of sosua and surrounding areas are tired of being labeled a sex tourist destination. They don't have enough power to change the national government. They are trying to change things the local government. It may be temporary it has been temporary before. It may be the end of something old and the start of something new. Or more typically the end of 1 area for a while back to the old area for a little.
It wasn't any weekend warrior or wolf pack that got Cuba Dave messed up. It was the Costa Rica people tired of the negative publicity and the government reacting. I'm just glad the Dominican Republic is like Cuba. Leave the tourists alone deal with your citizens. If they really wanted to stop the operation instead of locking all of these chica up on a weekly basis take a few hours and lock up some Gringos.
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You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.
[/QUOTE]Nordstrom? Walmart? What the fuck are you talking about man, lmao? Wait, please don't even answer that question.
I am Black, by the way. Now what?
I'm with Chris ([i]"Every time Black people want to have a good time, ignit-ass ni**as fuck it up"[/i]):
[B]Chris Rock - Black People VS. Ni**az (Bring the Pain 1996)[/B]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4[/URL]
20 years later this shit rings as true as the first time he laid it out (in front of an all-black audience mind you). If you can't tell the difference then so sorry for you.
[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908408]This is probably the most retarded shit I've read all day. What the fuck are you talking about man, lmao? Wait, please don't even answer that question.
I am Black, by the way. Now what?
I'm with Chris ([i]"Every time Black people want to have a good time, ignit-ass ni**as fuck it up"[/i]):
[B]Chris Rock - Black People VS. Ni**az (Bring the Pain 1996)[/B]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4[/URL]
20 years later this shit rings as true as the first time he laid it out (in front of an all-black audience mind you). If you can't tell the difference then so sorry for you.[/QUOTE]Video so true! LOL let's go over this one more time. I am black and yes I like to be politically correct because I hate to put down my people, but my people sometimes do not know how to act. If we have learned anything from Cuba dave and columbia jake who are now both in jail right now do not promote sex tourism and make videos and talk about it. They at least did not make sex videos for the world to see. Have we not learned anything, but my people took it even further they take a video of a dominican women sucking his dick calls her a thief and hits her on her head with his wallet and then puts it on a site that can be described as ghetto for everyone to see and you ask why there is firestorm! My people had no sense and no class to think you can do that in a foreign country and it be okay. Last thing your a foriegn citizen you cannot disrespect their culture and think they will look the other way.
Now you tell me how that is snobbery saying you do not put a video up for the world to see of a dominican women sucking your dick in a foreign country. People have gone to jail for less. Something wrong with you i am serious for you to think you can act like that in a foreign country and you do not get in trouble. I am jealous of ballers. The scary thing you think it is okay. Why the fuck do you think police might start checking phones and looking for videos. But i am snob. I spoke to senior dominican official about this issue can you not read i have givien you perfect information. Have you spoken to a senior Dominican offical about this issue yes or no! Answer your so smart? Talk to me you embarrasing yourself. You do not know shit but you talking like you know something. You have proven exactly why they have close it down a dumb motherfucker thinks it is okay to put a video up on worldwide website of a black man have his dick sucked by a dominican prostitute in sosua. You think okay. Seriously, you that stupid tell me now please tell me your high
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1908298]Since English is my first language let me see if I understand what's being said here:
You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.
Does a brother have a correct understand of the situation here?[/QUOTE]These guys are projecting the respectability politics of the United States onto a situation in Sosua. It says more about their psyches than it does about what's happening on the ground.
Great guys, we get it. You don't like the flamboyant / aggressive style of a certain kind of monger. You hate "thug" mongers. You want a more respectable, upper-class, high-end monger. All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.
You guys should just go ahead and get your red hats: #MakeSosuaGreatAgain
GrownMan you got it right.
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1908403]an American dollar is an American dollar and the Dominican doesn't care where it comes from. How foreigners are behaving means nothing to the Dominican people. .[/QUOTE]The exchange rate is more important to them. Because they don't spend dollars they spend pesos.
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1908403]The citizens of sosua are tired of there City being a Haven for prostitution. The vote was cast one candidate was for change the other candidate wanted things to stay the same. .[/QUOTE]They voted for the anti prostitution candidate. So all anyone can do now who is just a visitor to the Dominican Republic is to vote with their dollar and choose to spend them in other parts of the island or other countries.
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1908403]The people in sosua have to live with their own shame of being labeled a prostitution destination. Since prostitution is the problem prostitution is the target. The citizens of sosua and surrounding areas are tired of being labeled a sex tourist destination. They don't have enough power to change the national government. They are trying to change things the local government. .[/QUOTE]It's straight bare knuckle politics. And actually pretty tame compared to when the Republicans Jacked the American Presidency for George Bush right in front of the American People. This is a Dominican issue and they are handling it in a Dominican way. Anyone trying to lay the blame at the feet of any one or group of visitors is operating with faulty brain patterns and a lack of knowledge of the Dominican Republic. Maybe they just haven't been here in a while? Street prostitution is street prostitution. And residents of Sosua have made a statement loud and clear that they don't want it in their town anymore. Sexual Tourists you don't have to go home but you got to get the hell out of here!
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1908403]It wasn't any weekend warrior or wolf pack that got Cuba Dave messed up. It was the Costa Rica people tired of the negative publicity and the government reacting.[/QUOTE]Cuba Dave got locked up because the controlling legal entities in the country he was operating believe he has violated the law. The same thing can happen in the Dominican Republic. Do you realize that you can be locked up and held for a year without trial, without question? I would advise anyone who travels here to not get it twisted. All the American Embassy can do for you is make sure your rights are not being violated under Dominican law. Go to Singapore and get convicted of violating the law. The American Embassy will protest. But in the end they will cain your bare black ass (or whatever color your ass happens to be, I don't think they really care)!
[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1908403]I'm just glad the Dominican Republic is like Cuba. Leave the tourists alone deal with your citizens. If they really wanted to stop the operation instead of locking all of these chica up on a weekly basis take a few hours and lock up some Gringos.[/QUOTE]Damn straight my brother. But I don't really think this is a black or white issue. Do you? The way I see it is an attack on street prostitution. I don't have contacts in the Dominican Government whispering secrets into my ear. Nor am I bringing my american lack of cultural sensitivity, telling everyone what they should believe and when questioned about it trying to force it down everyone else's throat. From my lowly position I can't really see anything. I'm just reading reports like most everyone else. Maybe at some point I'll fire up the Gran Jefe mobile and roll up to the North Coast and check it out. But until then I choose to focus on news reports and reports from my fellow posters who are actually reporting information from the scene.
[QUOTE=KConstant;1908427]All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.[/QUOTE]That's right Mr. KConstant. Maybe they don't know the meaning of the word analogy? Maybe they've never been into a Nordstrom and therefore have never experienced the world class customer service that has inspired a book, many articles in business magazines and is the model of customer service US businesses across the service sector strive to imitate. Had they actually shopped in both a Nordstrom and a Walmart they would have understood the point I was trying to make. Thank you for explaining it to them. It doesn't surprise me that they missed it because they are critics. You get it. You are obviously a man in the arena. You don't find Walmart prices in a Nordstrom nor do you get a Nordstrom level of customer service in a Walmart. My tastes lean to Nordstrom. But I'm not above shopping at a Walmart when I need something. But I don't get it twisted and think that I'm going to have the same experience when I shop at Nordstrom nor do I complain about the type of crowd I find at Walmart when I'm shopping there. It seemed very simple and straight forward to me when I wrote it.
And what do you think of that video they proffered? Twenty years old they say? Sage advice from a comedian from a comedian. I guess the newer version would have Chris Rock saying "What's the problem? The police just shot a (offensive racial epitaph deleted)!" Do they really want to go there?
[QUOTE=KConstant;1908427]These guys are projecting the respectability politics of the United States onto a situation in Sosua. It says more about their psyches than it does about what's happening on the ground.
Great guys, we get it. You don't like the flamboyant / aggressive style of a certain kind of monger. You hate "thug" mongers. You want a more respectable, upper-class, high-end monger. All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.
You guys should just go ahead and get your red hats: #MakeSosuaGreatAgain[/QUOTE]I've been saying the same thing for years.
It's just hilarious, and also a kind of a surreal disconnect.
It's like Bonnie complaining to Clyde that he's exceeding the speed limit. It reminds me of the prominantly displayed "No Smoking, Fine $1000" I saw in a MP while a chick was on her knees illegally blowing me.
When I was in a Red Light district, especially in the inner city, I'm just happy to get off, and get out of there with my wallet intact, alive, no cop raid, no arrest record (and nobody banging on my car window in the parking lot demanding to "borrow my wheel jack") LOL
I didn't spend too much time complaining about the behavior of the other clients, in the other rooms LOL.
All this pontificating and moralizing about the politically correct way to behave in a brothel is just too much, but it breaks up the day!
Nobody agrees with violence, but we're not talking about the Augusta National Golf Club here!
They don't have a badge for "Monger Police", as far as I know.
[QUOTE=KConstant;1908427]These guys are projecting the respectability politics of the United States onto a situation in Sosua. It says more about their psyches than it does about what's happening on the ground.
Great guys, we get it. You don't like the flamboyant / aggressive style of a certain kind of monger. You hate "thug" mongers. You want a more respectable, upper-class, high-end monger. All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.
You guys should just go ahead and get your red hats: #MakeSosuaGreatAgain[/QUOTE]It doesn't really matter what mongers think, or even what those people who profit most directly from prostitution, like bar owners (though some people deny even this). What if you were a parent of a child at the (expensive) Colegio Luis Hess on Pedro Clissante. It was there since 1941, so you can't say they build a school in a prostitution area. Would prostitution bars be allowed right next to schools in your country?
What if you were a local resident eating out in a restaurant away from the prostitution bars and two men at the next table had two Dominican women straddling their chairs and dry humping them in between courses, while they smoked cigarettes, in plain view of young children? I saw this once at a favorite restaurant of mine.
One of the problems with tourism world wide has always been the disconnect between local customs and mores and those of the visitors. When I first went to Bermuda in 1980, cops where still measuring the shorts of (mostly female) tourists and fining them if they were more than 4 inches above the knee, because that was enforcement of a local law. This just applied in town, not at the beaches or at the hotel pool.
Even you admit that there might be some behavioral issues with some of the mongers. Now look at it from the point of view of local residents, not all of whom are in the prostitution business and related occupations. It is they who have the right to decide what will be tolerated in Sosua, and what will not. I don't really care if people want to walk around dressed up like pirates and openly smoking weed on the street, but it is not my call.
When you say "some obscure town in the third world" it sounds rather demeaning towards the many people in Sosua striving for a better future for themselves and their families, as if their views are not as important yours. Perhaps you live in a big city, and this gives you a sense of importance, I don't know.
[QUOTE=Oakie;1908583]All this pontificating and moralizing about the politically correct way to behave in a brothel is just too much, but it breaks up the day![/QUOTE]You just nailed the way many mongers seem to think about Sosua. It's their own little brothel and as clients they can behave as they please. But even in a brothel you have to behave and have respect or you are kicked out. I don't think the 65 000 people in Sosua who have nothing to do with the prostitution, want to see their pueblo as mini Cuba of the 50's. In today's Cuba many of these mongers would be kicked in a jail and the key thrown away and the US embassy could do nothing.
[QUOTE=Nordico;1908657]You just nailed the way many mongers seem to think about Sosua. It's their own little brothel and as clients they can behave as they please. But even in a brothel you have to behave and have respect or you are kicked out. I don't think the 65 000 people in Sosua who have nothing to do with the prostitution, want to see their pueblo as mini Cuba of the 50's. In today's Cuba many of these mongers would be kicked in a jail and the key thrown away and the US embassy could do nothing.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's like some of these guys here are cheering on the elements that will bring about their demise. But if you've never been anywhere other than Sosua, then that's all you know.
Some people will always be cuckholds.
Someone name for me one other trick spot outside of the US where mongers show up and project thug culture this fragrantly and I will proudly say that I don't know what the hell I am talking about.
Damn shame. One person sees these folks' home as an obscure town in the third world and another sees it as a brothel where they should be allowed to act however they want (as long as there is no violence).
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1908684]Damn shame. One person sees these folks' home as an obscure town in the third world and another sees it as a brothel where they should be allowed to act however they want (as long as there is no violence).[/QUOTE]You could at least have posted the link to that skit, LOL ("I'm Rick James beeeyatch!").
That second sentence is exactly why you see the big push to clean the place up. The Internet (just search Sosua on YouTube) is both gift and curse at times.