Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2649280]Haven't seen you around so the following maybe redundant if you are a lurker. But Midwestern who hosts this thread is the resident expert on Shanghai and might be a great resource for you.

Also I read in the Shanghai thread that Manhattan and Judy's are back open but maybe at least capacity. Prepandemic Manhattan was one of my favorite places on earth. Fifty Viet hotties all clamoring to make you their boy toy. Damn I loved that place. Def worth poking about and seeing current status.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much Steve! I've been around for some time, but only started posting (in Shanghai and Hangzhou threads) a few weeks ago. As to Manhattan and Judy's, sadly it's not what it used to be: actually went there last night after the date, some 10 overcharging (but hot!) Viet's. Not nearly as much fun as 4-5 years ago.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2649271]This is not accurate. I can personally state very definitely I am able to procure at 300 or even 250, and have done so. As I stated a few times, prices are actually lower now than they were pre pandemic. As always, location matters and the resolve of the dude matters. More patience, more search lead to better outcomes. And the girls I seek and have sex with are White, sub-25, slim girls who are pretty to me. If I wanted Latina, black girls, I'd think they may be at lower amounts but I filter out all dark skinned girls. Surprisingly, some Latinas have inflated self worth and have quoted absurdly high prices. If they are fair skinned, have no exaggerated Latino features (face or body), then they could command similar rates as White girls. But yes, 300 is absolutely doable. Not in coastal expensive cities but in the inland empire, they are feasible.[/QUOTE]Yea sorry you stated you can get $300 in flyover states and I have no experience to map to that. So surely it is true. All my experience is in bigger coastal cities and I've found it hard to find hotties in the two second tier cities I visit.

Unlike you I experience higher post pandemic prices but that may be on me. I do not negotiate hard or at all since the girls seem to be struggling more. My economics haven't taken a hit. Actually they are better than ever so I find it hard to argue the money is better off with me than them. I mean it’s usually $100 that’s under discussion (3 vs 4 or 4 vs 5) and if I date every other week that’s only $2600/year if I cave. Honestly that really means very little to me. Def at my age experiences matter way more than money. Hey I maybe have talked myself into a new pricepoint. LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2649368]You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha![/QUOTE]Dude. I am watching your spin up with interest. I love that you are putting in the time and will get the reward. These guys who label it too much work have just not seen the light. You def are doing the right thing. Only difference between you and me is time. I started in June 2019. So I have 2. 5 years of reaping rewards.

As I've said before, don't cut girls loose after you see them. Keep them in the harem. Midwestern famously said once a girl fucks you she will fuck you again and he is so right. So after 2. 5 years I have girls I can see by just saying I'm coming to town in 6, maybe 7 cities. Some I have multiple choices in that city. This is just from "doing it" for a while. Nothing too magic but following the rules and putting in the time.

P.S. Are you saying you had an in person meetup with said hottie? That's exciting. Looking forward to an update.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2649413]Yea sorry you stated you can get $300 in flyover states and I have no experience to map to that. So surely it is true. All my experience is in bigger coastal cities and I've found it hard to find hotties in the two second tier cities I visit.

Unlike you I experience higher post pandemic prices but that may be on me. I do not negotiate hard or at all since the girls seem to be struggling more. My economics haven't taken a hit. Actually they are better than ever so I find it hard to argue the money is better off with me than them. I mean its usually $100 thats under discussion (3 vs 4 or 4 vs 5) and if I date every other week thats only $2600/year if I cave. Honestly that really means very little to me. Def at my age experiences matter way more than money. Hey I maybe have talked myself into a new pricepoint. LOL.[/QUOTE]From the sheer volume of sessions you seem to take (as seen in the reports), you clearly take many more girls and sessions than I do. In fact, if you are not writing up every session, your volumes may be even higher. I think you stated you are also married and I am almost tempted to ask how you manage the time / absence aspects, but that would be a prying into your personal affairs, so I won't (not unless you want to volunteer such info hehe For me personally, getting away for sessions and having to explain where I am going is the hardest impediment to more sessions. This has been especially true w / the pandemic and working from home. Business trips, client meetings, late night business dinners are all out, which means excuses are tougher to find. (but even in earlier years I had never been a super prolific user; in almost 6 years minus the pandemic time on SA, my guess is, I had sex with 70+ girls off SA; I suspect you may be doing that in a year or two).

The upside from this forced celibacy is that I can be more patient. Say in a week, I can get out for only one or two sex sessions at the most, hence there is no reason to accept every offer even after we discussed all the details and agreed on the price. I think I said in some prior post that I have full agreed deals with 15 to 20 girls but sex w / only 5 to 7 new girls in the last few months (some of those 5 to 7 were repeated). Pretty much every girl I had a deal agreed with was someone I would have been happy to fuck. On the flip side, I noticed that many girls (real ones anyway, not the scammers) are eager to get going and meet up / have a session when the discussion progresses to price point, details etc. It is almost as if they have accepted sex with a specific man mentally, which means the physical aspect of it whenever it happens is much more easy to deal with. Anyway, that is my observation and I don't know if I am clueless or if there is any truth to my theory.

For instance, there is this single mom; slim white girl, 24, sent me a few pics, looks great. She is very careful about her identity. Has a single pic on SA and that too w / shirt pulled up to cover the lower half of her face. At first she did not respond, then slowly opened up. Agreed to 300 ppm; I was supposed to meet at her place because her baby is a toddler and she has no sitter. But something came up, visit got canceled, then again something happened, I forgot for a while, etc. And then we began talking again. She is desperate for money; on her own she said I am happy to take 250. If I was mean and bargained hard, she would take 200, my guess. I am hoping to meet her soon.

Most of the top, slim, attractive, white 22-27 years old are starting to ask 500 PPM. When questioned, they will come down to 400.

Much different than in the past when 300 would be for a good one. 350 for top notch.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2649630]Most of the top, slim, attractive, white 22-27 years old are starting to ask 500 PPM. When questioned, they will come down to 400.

Much different than in the past when 300 would be for a good one. 350 for top notch.[/QUOTE]I think the days of $300 are over, but most will take $400.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2649630]Most of the top, slim, attractive, white 22-27 years old are starting to ask 500 PPM. When questioned, they will come down to 400.

Much different than in the past when 300 would be for a good one. 350 for top notch.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheCane;2649368]You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha![/QUOTE]Lurker here. I'm curious if the pricing discussion takes into account, not only location, but the girl and also the SD. My first uneducated guess would be that the more "conventionally attractive" girls will command higher prices, as well as the less attractive guys or minorities (in the US) have to pay more to entice the girls? This topic is fascinating for me (I'm asian-american).

Anyhow, found out about Seeking a long time ago from this forum, and have been lurking ever since. The subreddit sugarlifestyleforum has also been helpful, but they don't allow specifics of $$, which I suppose is a good thing in the big picture. Don't need a repeat of Backpage.

I've been around for a while now, and I remember in the Bay Area in the early 2000's it was around $200-$300 for top-notch providers (anyone remember sfRedBook? These days, I'm seeing prices double that or more, on sites like Tryst. 1000/ HR for the top ones, though I have not partaken. Sugaring seems like a bargain, but a different experience.

Cheers lads!

[QUOTE=Edk750;2649669]Anyhow, found out about Seeking a long time ago from this forum, and have been lurking ever since. The subreddit sugarlifestyleforum has also been helpful, but they don't allow specifics of $$, which I suppose is a good thing in the big picture. Don't need a repeat of Backpage.

Cheers lads![/QUOTE]It is there and they mention in another sub thread. Each SD volunteers that info.

[QUOTE=Edk750;2649669]Lurker here. I'm curious if the pricing discussion takes into account, not only location, but the girl and also the SD. My first uneducated guess would be that the more "conventionally attractive" girls will command higher prices, as well as the less attractive guys or minorities (in the US) have to pay more to entice the girls? This topic is fascinating for me (I'm asian-american).

Anyhow, found out about Seeking a long time ago from this forum, and have been lurking ever since. The subreddit sugarlifestyleforum has also been helpful, but they don't allow specifics of $$, which I suppose is a good thing in the big picture. Don't need a repeat of Backpage.

I've been around for a while now, and I remember in the Bay Area in the early 2000's it was around $200-$300 for top-notch providers (anyone remember sfRedBook? These days, I'm seeing prices double that or more, on sites like Tryst. 1000/ HR for the top ones, though I have not partaken. Sugaring seems like a bargain, but a different experience.

Cheers lads![/QUOTE]Pricing is highly variable; location, individuals, many other things. Tbh, the discussions here have been repetitious; I don't find proclamations about "$x is impossible or no longer available" etc to be credible or insightful. Guys tend to take their personal experiences in their mongering areas and tend to generalize them across all mongers, girl types, locations, ages. Which never makes any sense but they seem to do it anyway, w / o any qualifiers. There are hundreds of thousands of girls and guys on SA alone and several millions of transactions; any single person's individual experiences are an extremely small fraction of the total but to generalize them into any grand trend is not sensible in my view.

I have been seeing prices trend down a bit. But that is in my area, with the girls I am seeing, and even there I am very disciplined. Other dudes in my same city may experience a different trend, and of course trends in my city with say White early 20's girls will mean zilch when it comes to Hispanic girls in a different city 2,000 miles away. And nationwide trends mean anything to any individual; at best they are some small guidance how to negotiate your own deals.

There's this married woman that I started seeing several years ago. In the beginning, she was so into the sex and she was so attracted to me. We never had an explicit arrangement, but I often gave her money to help her out (she and her husband are both blue collar workers). But now, she just treats seeing me like a job. For example, we were supposed to meet today at 9 am, but then she sends me a text asking if we can meet earlier, at 8 am. I totally got the vibe that she just wanted to get our meeting over with, as soon as possible. And so I just told her that I was not feeling well and bailed on today's meeting. Does the money aspect always mean that these SB relationships will eventually lose their magic?

Anyway, there's no point in breaking up with her. I think I will just not see her for a while, to see if absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I had a weekend job cancel and the model parents were leaving MTY. So what the hell, let's make a party. I asked the Venz. To fly and meet me in MTY Saturday night, to my Surprise she said yes, even better she showed up.

She arrived at the hotel before, I made arrangements for her to check in before I arrived, no issue, since I am friends with the GM of the hotel, now and we talk regularly, a super nice guy. They totally take care of me. We had a suite on the 9th floor over looking MTY. We had reservations at the new S. Prime. So much fun. We head back to room around 11. The rest is history. The next morning we had breakfast and then she helped me with some paperwork. But a prize tag on that. We go get my truck washed and then I take her to the airport.

I squeezed in one more meeting before the model. She is hot, but poor hygiene, I just can not handle the odor. I am exhausted this point. The model shows up at the original S. Prime, again a lot of fun. She brought my Christmas Present, so nice. We head back to the room at 10:30, we just had sex one time then I fell asleep. I woke up at 3:30 am, so I would not get stuck at the border. All this was done in 34 hours. I put in a full work day Monday, but I was wiped out.

I love SA in Mexico.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2650464]There's this married woman that I started seeing several years ago. In the beginning, she was so into the sex and she was so attracted to me. We never had an explicit arrangement, but I often gave her money to help her out (she and her husband are both blue collar workers). But now, she just treats seeing me like a job. For example, we were supposed to meet today at 9 am, but then she sends me a text asking if we can meet earlier, at 8 am. I totally got the vibe that she just wanted to get our meeting over with, as soon as possible. And so I just told her that I was not feeling well and bailed on today's meeting. Does the money aspect always mean that these SB relationships will eventually lose their magic?

Anyway, there's no point in breaking up with her. I think I will just not see her for a while, to see if absence makes the heart grow fonder.[/QUOTE]It's not the money. The money never gets old. It's the humans! Just like husband and wife get boring same happens here. This is sooo happening with Kayla. The bareback sex was off the charts to start. Now it's kinda expected and even a little meh. I'm sure it's the same in return. Charming older guy with money. Want to snag him. Now he's snagged. And so she gets a bit lazier. Wants to Netflix and chill instead of going out clubbing. Just settling into husband wife mode and it's a bit boring.

And now Shayla is my new crush. Had sex once and I am smitten. I just want to hang with her and be with her and bang her Of course). It's all just new and amazing and fresh. Six months from now (if not sooner) she will be acting like an entitled wife. Oh well. Then it's thank you next. .

I don't see any other way to answer this than yes. The foundation of the relationship is money. At some point money loses its value either due to inflation or change in living standards due to an infinite number of reasons. Couple all this with "been there, done that" and the chances that one party becomes unhappy (or at the very least unsatisfied) is all but guaranteed. Seize the day / get it while it's hot should be the mantra in this world. I had some prime SBs lined up then skipped town for a couple weeks and they are nowhere to be found now. Had I made a bigger effort to bang them before I left I'm sure they'd still be available to me but I'm realistic, at some point I would not have worked for them or they would not have worked for me the only question is when that might happen. Given my well documented aversion to the work required on SA I'm guessing they'd be over me before I was over them but who knows.

I do have one that I'm quite content with but I'd be happier if I were actively comparing her skills to the other two.

[QUOTE]Does the money aspect always mean that these SB relationships will eventually lose their magic?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Edk750;2649669]Lurker here. I'm curious if the pricing discussion takes into account, not only location, but the girl and also the SD. My first uneducated guess would be that the more "conventionally attractive" girls will command higher prices, as well as the less attractive guys or minorities (in the US) have to pay more to entice the girls? This topic is fascinating for me (I'm asian-american).[/QUOTE]I have not done seeking in the USA since 2018, and the hard part was finding the girls. The flake rate in the USA was unreal. Thing is once you get them out to dinner the success is pretty good. Thing is you have so much golden pussy syndrome because unlike in other countries where the price of pussy is known, you have women with stars in their eyes. I had a 19 year old, a beauty to be sure who was working at Hooters, tell me if she does not get $500 an hour, I was "wasting her time". This was 10 years ago, and I laughed her off. The main thing guys in the USA need to get is that all these women are broke and in debt and are in no position to deny anything. You are just dealing with the external fears ("I might get raped or an STD") and the internal fears ("I will feel like a * and hate myself") that are driving their pricing.

Thing is some guys are throwing out crazy money now probably because the market is up. I went to a strip club and the girl wanted a $1000 for an hour. I rolled my eyes, and she texted me the next day and asked for $500. I did not see her, but I think guys think that you have to stay at the number. I never did. Once they have broken the hurdle and they see you are safe, then you should negotiate down like I did. If I were interested in her, I would say, "Okay, I get that you may want that much the first time, but if I see you a lot in the future, I am not paying that much every time. " or just say nothing and offer $350 next time. There are not as many mongers throwing money at this women as you think. Most guys do not do this.

Yeah, it is true the women get 100's of offers per day. A woman showed me her texts. At least 90 out of every 100 messages were flat out scams, guys trying to get laid for nothing. She responded to the five guys that were players, and she and I picked out the exact same guys! But you have the stupid women who get cocky about it and say "I have hundreds of guys sending me texts every day."

I remember SFredbook. Before the internet escort age, things were a lot more hit or miss. I did a lot of studios and escorts back then and had no clue what you were getting. There were some dogs to be sure, but there were times I would be fucking beauty queens for $50 or $100.

I do not think it has hit California but Texas just made prostitution a felony. A lot of guys were getting laid in Asian MPs and paying as little as $140 for 30 minutes with good looking women. Those places have been shut down, and a lot of horny men who did not know what the game shifted to seeking. It has been a market place disrupter.

SA helped me with game, and I have learned to make the women laugh and feel comfortable. Mainly, women are just looking for safe I have learned, and it is not just physical but emotional. One of the things women are rightly scared of is guys getting serious with them and getting possessive and stalking them. I had a sugar baby for four years, and we had a funny exchange. I asked her spur of the moment to come to dinner, and she came right away and asked "What is wrong?" I just said I wanted company for dinner and she laughed and said, "You have never asked me for anything in four years. I thought you were dying." That shows you how needy the other men in her life had been.

But Ed I really do not like seeking in the USA. If you can get away, I would look at places in Mexico that are a direct fight for you from the SF region. I think some of the new girls at Hong Kong in Tijuana who live in other cities are intriguing sugar baby candidates. Then of course, you have flights to places like Mexico City that are sugar baby heaven.

If you can routinely get three days off a row twice a month, I would look there. You can fuck hotties for $100 a pop while looking for your princess. I get some guys are married or have jobs where they cannot travel. I was like that, but I changed jobs and I love the freedom that comes with taking off a few days at a time.

I posted this on the Bogota thread, and I will also post it here:

I have premium membership. At $100 per month its overpriced, but as I am working in the US it doesn't matter that much. You could try free membership first and see how it goes. I don't know what the differences are.

I set up my own profile with a few pics. I put a very brief intro in Spanish. I say my income etc are modest; if you claim to be a high roller you will just attract expensive girls. Not necesarily better, just more expensive.

You can put the letters "SD' if you want. It stands for "Sugar daddy", and its code for p4 p. Even in Spanish, they know what it means. The girls sometimes put "SB" (sugar baby) or just "Sugar" in their profile also. Sugar is just a euphemism for money.

You can lie about your age (e. G. Make it younger) as there is no age verification. You should do this when you set up your profile as you can't do it after.

A week or two before a trip I set my location to where I'm going, e. G. Bogota. Then search for whatever you want, e. G. Bogota, 50 mile radius, age 18-25, etc. Then search and just start "liking" gals you like (click the heart icon). You can also message them directly.

I usually go for average girls, girl next door types; less hassle and more willing to please than Instagram model type bitches. Remember, even the average girl in Bogota is hot compared to most western bitches.

If it is more than a few weeks away I wouldn't bother as they will lose interest. One week before is ideal.

Response rate for me was about 30% for the inital chat. Maybe 1 in ten you will actually meet.

Even though I barely speak Spanish I do all messaging in Spanish using google translate and copy and paste. You can also translate the girls mesages on your phone by touching the girls message and holding, it then lets you "select all" then "translate" to English right on the screen.

Once they reply then send a few mesages in chat such as "Hola". "Soy Pussycat", "Como Estas". (Hi, I'm pussycat, how are you).

Then just move it to WhatsApp (Which they all have) by saying "Tienes WhatsApp?

If they reply with their number just add a contact on WhatApp then start chatting there.

I usually come straight out on WhatsApp and say in Spanish " I would like to meet you for a date of two hours; if everthing is good we will make love, and I will pay you 200 mil plus Ubers". Nine times out of then they will either say "ok", or will say "make it 250 mil" etc.

As for the James Bond shit claimed by some, having "game", banging chicks for free yada yada yada. Sure, do that if you want but when time is of the essence on a short vacation just slap the money on the table and get laid. By the time you have banged one chick "for free" after having wined and dined her at expensive restaurants and hotels I will have paid for and banged five gals from the barrios. When I was 25 I was banging models for free. At 55, I just pay.

You can order an Uber / Didi to pick them up or you can reimburse them when they arrive.

I shift it to WhatApp because SA claims to ban users who "solicit pro**itution" which is of course bullshit because that's what SA is a platform for, but whatever, I wouldn't discuss trading money for sex directly on the app. Plus, gals always check messages on WhatsApp all the time whereas they might only go on SA every few days.

Another good reason to move it to WhatsApp is because if you get in a fight with a girl on the app they can report you and get you banned. If you are outside the app there is nothing they can do.

Generally any girls with English in her profile or claiming to speak English will charge more. And any girl quoting a price in dollars is trying to charge more.

Assuming you are in Bogota I wouldn't bother trying to meet anyone who isn't in Bogota. I sent $30 to one gal for a bus to Bogota and then she instantly starting begging for money so I didn't end up meeting her.

I would tell them they need an ID to meet you ("Cedula") to make sure they are 18 and that they are legit. For two reasons: pro**itution is illegal under 18 in Colombia and they are less likely to scam / rob you if you see there ID. You can even ask hem to send a picture of it if you want.

Hide / lock up all your shit when they come to you room. Don't take drugs / drink alcohol with them as they could drug and rob you. It never happended to me, but it has happened.

Almost all gals I contacted were willing to trade sex for money. This is what I got quoted or what I actually paid in Bogota (4,000 COP / USD):

Instagram model types: $150+/2 hrs (600,000 COP+).

Gals speaking English well: 400,000 COP /2 hrs.

Average girl: 200-250 k COP + Ubers (20-40 k COP).

Low end: 150 k COP /2-3 hrs. ($40.).

I suggest an opening gambit of 200 k ("200 mil") plus Ubers for 2 hrs.

Typical session for me was BBBJ, CFS. Other stuff by negotiation.

A few actual gals I met on SA in Bogota:

A medical student.

An English teacher.

Several gals from the barrio (slums) in the south.

A gal claiming she had an online store.

A Venezulean claiming she was divorced from a Chinese guy and was visiting her sister in Bog.

A gal who delivered fire extinguishers.

Naysayers wil trash SA as a overpriced platform and maybe it is, but I think it has some merits. And I know, you can get a streetwalker for 30 K in Santa Fe but remember, that's a 15 minute quickie in a shitty short time room in a disgusting RLD, versus 2 hrs of GFE like experience in you own room. You can't equate the two.

No doubt many of the gals on SA could be found on other platforms / met in other ways, possibly for less money, and if you have the time and contacts to find them then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is just one of the options. If I lived in Bog I most likely would not use it. But for the average two week millionaire SA is not too bad.