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[URL]https://jimmydhorse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/AC-map-updated.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. He spends a lot of time on the gossip. I have a question for the forum. What is the story with Niagara Bar?
I used to rendezvous with a freelancer who liked meeting there. The rooms and the place looks pretty cheap. Doesn't ever seem to be an AC bargirl type of bar though.
[QUOTE=BrizLad;2511205]Thanks for posting. He spends a lot of time on the gossip. I have a question for the forum. What is the story with Niagara Bar?
I used to rendezvous with a freelancer who liked meeting there. The rooms and the place looks pretty cheap. Doesn't ever seem to be an AC bargirl type of bar though.[/QUOTE]This is mainly a drink bar for a few expat locals. Not a girly bar, not a pick up bar and not a bar tourist visits.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2498936]I would imagine that while SB posted in the Angeles forum, he is not in AC (like me). I can confirm that in my area (not the big city), Covid lockdowns have reduced a bad economy drastically. Brgy have stopped the food give-aways. Many people have shifted income opportunities from normal trabajo to selling small goods or services. They go into the marketplace and use their meager money to purchase face masks (or other), then sell them at a markup in the Brgy (the same way the sari owner buys everything he sells in the sari). These efforts don't make much profit, and the lockdown has turned every family into entrepreneurial enterprises. This lack of income continues to tighten, like a vice grip being slowly turned. All companies here are operating (as per local mandate) at maximum 50% capacity. Previous to Covid, construction guys worked 5-6 days per week. Now they rotate, Monday-Wednesday-Friday, or Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday (I don't know a single construction guy working 5 days).
Another example. Just outside of town there was previously a nut-shelling 'factory', an odd-looking building -- the exterior, interior walls, and roof are just plywood sheets, no windows, no aircon (some oscillating fans), no sign on the building identifying anything. Two dozen ladies worked inside removing nuts from the shell, making p200 for an 8-hour shift (below the technical minimum here, but not uncommon here). A few months ago the factory closed completely, but not the business. The owner disbanded her employees and simply went to their nearby compounds and brought them bags of nuts each day, and offered them p50 for roughly 4-5-6 hours of the same work each day. When some of the original workers balked at the hours / pay arrangement, the owner lady just held up a bag of nuts and asked if anyone else in the compound wanted to make p50 for a days work shelling the nuts. She had no trouble getting neighbors of the original employees to take the work (which of course has set neighbors to be angry with each other). The 'new' employees shell for 4-5 hours at home, then return the freshly shelled nuts to the owner's home each day. No more need for the owner to rent the factory, or pay a 'going daily rate' of p300+.
There are a glut of taxi's here now. They rent the beast at p500 for 12 hours. The drivers are now quick to hand out their phone number and agree in advance to work off the meter for a much lower rate. For instance, several times a week I take a ride that is 15-ish minutes and runs p85-95, roughly. Drivers now agree to take me, wait an hour while I shop (or they take other fares while I am shopping), and then pick me up and return me home for p150. I just txt them an hour in advance and we arrange a time for pickup at my place, and I txt them when I get into the cashier checkout lane for return. They don't get paid until they return me home. I have half a dozen taxi drivers waiting on call for items like this (I still like the jeep). This is the new reality.
I can thumbs-up SB's post. In this province, the squeeze is on. Overseas visiting boyfie's are no longer returning, and no longer remitting (they themselves have lost income due to Covid). The ladies are offering it up. The new system is now also a better referral system. My regulars have friends that are in need, and it turns out the friends have friends in need. Pre-Covid, this was 'not abailable'.
In a later post I would like to describe also several biz successes of some of the locals here (similar to Napa).
Sage advice.[/QUOTE]Thanks WC, great report.
I have to agree with many of the things you pointed out.
I have to add that many of the girls even before Covid hit were in trouble. I've been and stayed in AC for many trips for many years. , most trips lasting about a month. When you stay longer you get to see much more what happens to family life there. While many are reluctant to sell their bodies and will do anything to make a living, the reality is different.
If you have been there long enough you will meet those that refuse but eventually they have no choice but sell themselves simply because the girls have run out of options. Their family can no longer support them, their family runs out of money, no longer able to pay rent, no food and worst of all, no more money to pay for the load data and minutes for the phones.
Most get pregnant early, most don't finish school (not because they are dumb but family can't support the expenses for even HS). Many apply for limited jobs but very few get hire.
It's call desperation to feed themselves, their family and sometimes their babies. Most of us from western countries don't really comprehend what its like with no govt welfare programs to help with even the basic needs (like food and shelter). So yes, desperation to survive will always overcome any moral reluctance.
Case in point. Ive met a bargirl years ago and we became friends. I notice she had a cousin that was cute that she sometimes meet to go home together. We all met a few times for quick meals at the mall. I asked her cousin once if she was willing to spend a night with me. She was shocked and cursed me out. She refused to talked to me afterwards as she called me a bad person. About a year later, i ran into the bargirl friend and she told me her cousin and family were in financial trouble as most of the family no longer had jobs. She asked if I could help her out. I told her I would still only pay her if she was willing to spend the night with me. Again, the answer was No way, and she added she would rather die first. Fast forward 6 months on next trip to AC, I ran into the bargirl friend again and she asked if I wanted her cousin as she was desperate and was now willing to spend the night with me. So yes, desperation can change anyone’s mind.
[QUOTE=Sharka;2514185]This is mainly a drink bar for a few expat locals. Not a girly bar, not a pick up bar and not a bar tourist visits.[/QUOTE]Run down expats and a few LBs (both inside and outside). They sometimes serve a cheap Scandanavian buffet (used to be Sundays if memory serves) which is OK. Go there for the buffet and / or a cheap drink, give the rest a miss.
[QUOTE=PuteNut;2514195]Run down expats and a few LBs (both inside and outside). They sometimes serve a cheap Scandanavian buffet (used to be Sundays if memory serves) which is OK. Go there for the buffet and / or a cheap drink, give the rest a miss.[/QUOTE]That seems really depressing.
Anyone know how many hookers / punters are about? I guess the pick pockets are finding it hard. It is all getting increasingly academic to me as, the way things are going in Europe, I doubt I'll ever be back. I do miss the LBFMs and listening to the pathetic ex pats but all good (and bad) things must end. The media have people scared shttless here.
[QUOTE=Sharka;2514188]Thanks WC, great report.
I have to agree with many of the things you pointed out.
I have to add that many of the girls even before Covid hit were in trouble. I've been and stayed in AC for many trips for many years. , most trips lasting about a month. When you stay longer you get to see much more what happens to family life there. While many are reluctant to sell their bodies and will do anything to make a living, the reality is different.
If you have been there long enough you will meet those that refuse but eventually they have no choice but sell themselves simply because the girls have run out of options. Their family can no longer support them, their family runs out of money, no longer able to pay rent, no food and worst of all, no more money to pay for the load data and minutes for the phones.
Most get pregnant early, most don't finish school (not because they are dumb but family can't support the expenses for even HS). Many apply for limited jobs but very few get hire.
It's call desperation to feed themselves, their family and sometimes their babies. Most of us from western countries don't really comprehend what its like with no govt welfare programs to help with even the basic needs (like food and shelter). So yes, desperation to survive will always overcome any moral reluctance.
Case in point. Ive met a bargirl years ago and we became friends. I notice she had a cousin that was cute that she sometimes meet to go home together. We all met a few times for quick meals at the mall. I asked her cousin once if she was willing to spend a night with me. She was shocked and cursed me out. She refused to talked to me afterwards as she called me a bad person. About a year later, i ran into the bargirl friend and she told me her cousin and family were in financial trouble as most of the family no longer had jobs. She asked if I could help her out. I told her I would still only pay her if she was willing to spend the night with me. Again, the answer was No way, and she added she would rather die first. Fast forward 6 months on next trip to AC, I ran into the bargirl friend again and she asked if I wanted her cousin as she was desperate and was now willing to spend the night with me. So yes, desperation can change anyones mind.[/QUOTE]Sad story but mongers are not bleeding hearts.
[QUOTE=Sharka;2514188]I have to add that many of the girls even before Covid hit were in trouble. I've been and stayed in AC for many trips for many years. , most trips lasting about a month. When you stay longer you get to see much more what happens to family life there. While many are reluctant to sell their bodies and will do anything to make a living, the reality is different.[/QUOTE]One advantage for Ph girls is they can got to province and live cheap. I'm going to generalize that many of the financial problems are caused by bad financial decisions. Without the money to make the bad decisions, life can be easier. Pinay without foreigner bfs are not getting asked to support the family as much. One ex-GF her family hates the overseas grandma sending money but now that there are no foreigners BF (s) the grandma support is being accepted.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2514615]Sad story but mongers are not bleeding hearts.[/QUOTE]True.
The ending to that story was I never did get to bang her even after all that time. Not that I didn't want to, but mainly because:
1) Met up almost Last minute on the last night before I was departing.
2) She was asking way above my usual price and won't budge on her price. She's not a virgin (at least that's what she told me) but was asking for premium price as I was her first person she was doing it with for money.
3) Too much drama and I already had someone else in mind for the last night.
So yes, its a say story.
[QUOTE=BrizLad;2514730]One advantage for Ph girls is they can got to province and live cheap. I'm going to generalize that many of the financial problems are caused by bad financial decisions. Without the money to make the bad decisions, life can be easier. Pinay without foreigner bfs are not getting asked to support the family as much. One ex-GF her family hates the overseas grandma sending money but now that there are no foreigners BF (s) the grandma support is being accepted.[/QUOTE]Yes, but as I have experienced 1st hand (on several occasions), depending on which family member will take her in and which province she has to travel to is a big obstacle, and sometimes too big of an obstacle to overcome (money wise). Although, travel within the PI seems cheap to us, its relatively expensive for most of them trying to reach a far flung province on another island. So I have ran into a few girls in financial trouble but simply unable to get back home and family in province didn't have enough money to send her for trip.
Ended up "supporting" a few of them while I was in AC or Subic for about a month before I flew home. I always encourage them to save enough money of the money I gave them to get themselves home (with extras to buy things for the family).
By "support" I mean= I hired her as my maid to clean up. And since I always stay at a hotel, cleaning up means. Well, you get the picture.
Cheers.
Well shit, now I actually am sad, before it was just a happy story from the mongers perspective.
[QUOTE=Sharka;2514827]True.
The ending to that story was I never did get to bang her even after all that time. Not that I didn't want to, but mainly because:
1) Met up almost Last minute on the last night before I was departing.
2) She was asking way above my usual price and won't budge on her price. She's not a virgin (at least that's what she told me) but was asking for premium price as I was her first person she was doing it with for money.
3) Too much drama and I already had someone else in mind for the last night.
So yes, its a say story.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sharka;2514827]True.
The ending to that story was I never did get to bang her even after all that time. Not that I didn't want to, but mainly because:
1) Met up almost Last minute on the last night before I was departing.
2) She was asking way above my usual price and won't budge on her price. She's not a virgin (at least that's what she told me) but was asking for premium price as I was her first person she was doing it with for money.
3) Too much drama and I already had someone else in mind for the last night.
So yes, its a say story.[/QUOTE]Pinay needs 10 k pesos.
Reluctantly decides to fuck a foreigner and get what she needs.
However, foreigner only wants to pay 2 k, maybe 3 k if she sucks and fucks well. Foreigner even offers to meet multiple times at the same rate until Pinay teachers her 10 k target.
Pinay, who needs 10 k, doubles down and insists her first time services. Of which she literally has no clue what it means to be a skilled sex worker, must be worth 10 k pesos. Non negotiable. This exchange goes back and forth for a few hours via text, maybe even a few days.
Foreigner walks away, knowing it's a waste of time and that there are plenty of other options out there for the money he's willing to pay. Pinay wonders why / how she wasn't able to get the 10 k pesos she desperately needs.
In the time said Pinay was trying to hustle for a one time 10 k peso deal, another Pinay has earned 15 k through multiple short time encounters.
True life story. Actually, true multiple times over according to personal experiences.
[QUOTE=RainMania;2515022]In the time said Pinay was trying to hustle for a one time 10 k peso deal, another Pinay has earned 15 k through multiple short time encounters.
True life story. Actually, true multiple times over according to personal experiences.[/QUOTE]You should have been in the Colombia thread the other day when a guy said he could not understand why a chick would go work at a cheap place when she could go to the foreigner ripoff disco and get 10 times that. You explained it perfectly. Go ahead and starve to death waiting on a big fish.
Right when Manila went into ecq, I matched with a pinay real estate agent on tinder. She was using the app to fish for potential condo buyers (LOL, I know). Totally legit as I checked out the office and everything, which was a few minutes walk from where I was staying at the time.
Fast forward a week and I get desperate messages from her asking to borrow 25 k pesos. Naturally, the monger in me told her it would take her a month of 3-4 weekly ST meetings to get this from me, which she would have earned and wouldn't have had to pay back of course.
Real Estate pinay said under no circumstances would she sleep with me, but she can send me a few condo pics I might be interested in buying, and if I lent her the 25 k pesos she'd pay back with her next salary and that she really needed the money.
I didn't even bother responding. The absurdity of the whole situation was nothing short of astonishing.
[QUOTE=RainMania;2515057]Right when Manila went into ecq, I matched with a pinay real estate agent on tinder. She was using the app to fish for potential condo buyers (LOL, I know). Totally legit as I checked out the office and everything, which was a few minutes walk from where I was staying at the time.
Fast forward a week and I get desperate messages from her asking to borrow 25 k pesos. Naturally, the monger in me told her it would take her a month of 3-4 weekly ST meetings to get this from me, which she would have earned and wouldn't have had to pay back of course.
Real Estate pinay said under no circumstances would she sleep with me, but she can send me a few condo pics I might be interested in buying, and if I lent her the 25 k pesos she'd pay back with her next salary and that she really needed the money.
I didn't even bother responding. The absurdity of the whole situation was nothing short of astonishing.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Sounds like the same one on PL who tried to sell me a condo. She just wasn't interested in a root. They just think some stupid foreigner is going to buy into some crap condo in Caloocan, or in your case, just let them 'barrow' 25,000 peso. Hahaha.
Seems that I haven't posted anything in a while. A post-Christmas shot from AC. Back in the day when the waitresses would sometimes jump up on the tables and dance.