Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2213597]I don't know, seems like a more then 50% increase is a lot to me with out a remodel. I'd be happier if it was 10-20%.

The only difference I can tell is they now throw in a free breakfast which isn't much for a 44,000 peso increase.[/QUOTE]It puts you a bit further from the action, but you might look into Hotel Paradise Center. It's half a block away from the Bicentenario Tranvia metro station and right around the corner from Mercado del Tranvia, which is a smaller version of Mercado del Rio, a collection of trendy restaurants. The Tranvia line drops you at the San Antonio station. The area the hotel is in is one of the best in El Centro and the rates go from $15 for a single bed to $20 for 2 doubles and a Jacuzzi tub. It's cash only, so you can probably get it for less in person.

Never been to the hotel, but walked and rode past it several times. A few blocks up the hill is a collection of discos and there are lots of small restaurants nearby.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2213618]I told you I was a nut case with an obsessive personality.

The instruction manual on How to get laid on Tinder that I read is exactly like you say. He wants to always score within 3 or 4 hours. The key he says is to get them off Tinder. On Tinder you are competing against several other matches. So they will take the best offer. So I was just seeing if my little blurb would work and stupidly didn't stop. The blurb is working. Since I wrote the previous post 4 more sent their whatsapp. I think it is Friday and the girls want to party and make a little money on the side. And this idiot is sitting in California playing with computer apps. All the new ones accepted 180 k. 8 out of 10. I think 180 k is a very good price point in Medellin. And I imagine when I start asking for availability next Wednesday 2 or 3 will be around. So maybe all is not lost but not best use of time.[/QUOTE]One thing that I forgot to mention is that I am matching with very average chicas playing this Tinder game. The kind of girls that you could find in any of the 50 casas that I know about in the city. The only thing about the casas is that from my limited experience it is hit or miss whether you get GFE. Hopefully the blurb is screening the non-GFE girls out.

I am not matching with any of the really top looking girls on Tinder. If you are seeking optics, Tinder is not really a good solution for fat guys in their late sixties. Yes I know lookers are sometimes not the best in bed. I plan to experiment with an agency to find lookers. I had a friend who did well at La Isla but that was a 600 k peso night for take out.

I signed up for a 7-day trial of Seeking Arrangement yesterday. My blurb is not working there. I have had zero response in 12 hours. I sent it to about 20 chicas.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2213638]Normandia is hella noisy. Think about the daytime car traffic and the nightime foot traffic plus music from the stip clubs. I'd rather sacrifice the $20/ day, even though it's not much fun listening to the wannabe bus dispatcher yelling aeropuerto! 12 hours a day.[/QUOTE]Yeah I learned my lesson my 1st time at the Botero, tell them you want the highest floor available (preferably 14) and the West side of the building which is cooler in the morning and away from the bus yelling idiot. (some fruit yelling idiots on the other side but the Metro tracks block most of their song).

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2213879]
I signed up for a 7-day trial of Seeking Arrangement yesterday. My blurb is not working there. I have had zero response in 12 hours. I sent it to about 20 chicas.[/QUOTE]I had to work and experiment with my profile several times before I started to get lots of responses. I still get responses now even though I'm back home and even though I removed all the Spanish language stuff. However, I do list Medellin as a secondary location. The main thing I learned was to be subtle. Think of the site as a dating site. Most chicas know what the deal is but they need to be finessed more so than in the US, though the same thing applies in the US. Some guys / most guys don't want to play this game and it can be time consuming. But I found it to be worth it, though not financially. Also, I splurged and got the feature, whose name I forget, that puts you on top for 24 hours. You can buy a package for about $5 per boost. It worked wonders.

[QUOTE=DannyDee;2213680]Gentlemen,

Your collective inputs have been so helpful but I really need some more guidance before heading out. Believe me, I have read the forum for the past two years preparing for this trip. Now it looks like I'm finally going. I know the Medellin forum in and out but some clarification from you veterans is needed.

1. It appears that condos will all have front desk staff. Are they cool about girls coming in? I mean, one girl a day is a bare minimum. Will I get a visit from the owner of the apt telling me to slow down, or worse, get out? I know that security is there for my safety but I'd rather not have those long stares and daily reports to the owner.

2. It appears from your reports that the scene is primarily a 'casa' one, in that you enter a place, get shown a line up and so on. Basically it is similar to Europe (Prague, Budapest) and massage scene in North America. Please note that I'm not whining, but as a matter of choice it is not my favorite scene. Just like some of my preferred methods would not be to your liking. I don't like to stand in line with other punters in a small apartment, holding our wieners. I like brothel strip joints like in Tijuana, I would choose brothel strip joints in Prague over apartments if I go there. Therefore that White Mansion (in MDE will be just fine and I don't mind heading to centro to check out the SWs.

3. This is basically a continuation of #2. This might be where I'm totally wrong. From your reports there appears to be a clear delineation between working girls and others. What I mean is that I should not approach every female like I do in Cuba or like guys do in Sosua and around Copacabana? So virtually there's no semi pro scene (Sosua semi pro haha) unless you dig them up on social media?

I'll elaborate on Havana: I know that many veterans of this site decry the state of that city but I respectfully disagree. You are able to have sex there 3 times a day with different ladies and you don't need to own a phone to arrange those dates. Perhaps what those senior members mean is that before they were able to do it 10 times a day and I might agree with that assessment but I just started the hobby and believe me what you are able to pull in HAV is enough for me. For instance, 2 Havana veterans going to MDE returned saying it's dead. Although they don't speak a word of Spanish and they do stick out as stereotypical gringos. They are also older and don't use online resources such as this one. But they were genuinely surprised at my assertion that all the good guys on this site said MDE was a motherload. Yes, the effort is required in Cuba but you could also just stand on a busy corner and start talking to everyone. The MDE monger I was with in Havana was amazed that I could do that. He said not to come at girls in Colombia this way. Of course I don't mind striking friendly conversations with rich paisas and buy them a dinner with no strings attached but is there any chance of "closing the P4P deal" with working class and middle class girls?

4. 180 K /$60 seems to be the going / median rate based on the info below or is it considered appropriate only for high end talent? My attentive reading tells me they are real germaphobes when it comes to BBBJ, so that is out of q? They are down for GFE but based on your reports I can tell that Cubans are much wilder. No one in Cuba lets you in the back door but most will take CIM and obviously BBBJ is non negotiable..[/QUOTE]Why does this always happen? Someone comes to the forum, claims they've spent lots of time reading the forum and then proceeds to ask questions which are answered in the forum nearly every week. I will try to answer some of your questions.

1. Many rental apartments have security, especially in high rise buildings. Many apartments have no security. Security isn't calling the apartment owner to report on your activities, unless your activities are generating complaints. Generally speaking, the owner understands and has no problems with bringing girls back, or they will specifically mention that guests aren't allowed. Ask before you book.

2. It appears, from all the reports, that the scene is not primarily a casa scene. There is a casa scene, although I've never once noticed a bunch of guys standing around holding their weiners. Maybe you've been going to the wrong kind of casas. There is a strip club scene. There is a streetwalker scene. There is an independent advertiser scene. There is a Facebook scene. There is a nightclub scene. There's no semi-pro scene, because there's no such thing as a semi-pro. It's like being semi-pregnant. Either a woman accepts money for sex, or she doesn't. If she accepts money for sex whether or not she has another job doesn't matter.

3. There is a clear delineation between prostitutes and women who are not prostitutes. This is universal. Some places have a higher percentage of the population engaged in prostitution. Some places are more accepting of prostitution. That doesn't mean the line doesn't exist. It simply means you're less likely to offend someone, and less likely to incur a penalty (up to and including death) for causing offense.

You can talk to just about anyone in Medellin. The people are very friendly. They will be happy to talk to you. Many will try out a few words of English and will be patient if your Spanish is lacking. However, a willingness to talk doesn't imply a willingness to fuck for money. Assuming otherwise is likely to ruin your day.

4. Your attentive reading must have dozed off. Most of the girls working in casas want to be paid extra for BBBJ. Some girls, no matter the scene, simply won't do it. Many girls, especially outside of the casas will give BBBJ without any prompting. CIM will usually need to be negotiated.

There is no standard rate. For SWs, 30-40 k is typical. For casas 50 k is about average, except for a few higher end establishments which charge 150 k per hour. Facebook and ad sites girls usually want 150-200 k plus 20 k for taxi. Strip clubs run from 80-300 k.

Define "high end talent." Is it based on looks? Body? Effort? Personality? There are plenty of beautiful women who want 300 k or more that are complete duds. There are plenty of beautiful women who want 150 k who will knock your socks off. There are plenty of beautiful women who want 50 k who may be a dud or a full PSE. As has been stated in the forum many times, price doesn't equal performance.

After that you lost me. You have no problem talking to complete strangers on the street, asking them to dinner and asking them if you can pay them for sex, but you're too shy to walk in a casa?

Again, semi-pro don't exist. Non-pros walking the streets hoping to make extra money by getting paid for sex are what most of the world calls prostitutes.

I'm curious what forum you've been reading, because it clearly wasn't this one.

The 2 casas which are most frequently reviewed here are New Life and Energy. Neither of them is an apartment. None of the casas I've been to in Medellin are apartments. At New Life you enter through the door, go up a few stairs, buzz through a security gate, climb to the 2nd floor and arrive at the lounge area. There you will be seated in one of 4 places. The manager will ask if you want something to drink and will call for a lineup. Then girls will come out, I've seen only 7 on a holiday and over 25 on other days. There will probably be others waiting for a lineup as well. Once the lineup is finished you'll be asked for your choice. The girl will come out and lead you to a room on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd floor. The rooms have a bed, a fan and a bathroom with shower. When you finish she will lead you to the cashier where you'll pay depending on how much time you spent.

Energy is basically the same, except only 1 door to pass through and the rooms are larger and nicer.

Thank you JjBee62. Very detailed and informative.

As a very useful recent Cali report states, MDE forum suffers from a lot of chit chat, so at times there might not be any actual reports for 10 pages. And forget about finding a report on Sosua forum. They'll discuss anything but prices and places (the info a rookie seeks the most). I may stand corrected. You open a Sosua forum now and here it is, a detailed report, but usually what I described is a norm. This is because those forums are dominated by seasoned vets who understand each other by simply waving at one another.

The info you gave me is far more valuable because it's current. Although I concede that even if I go 30 pages back, the MDE info won't be dated because this forum is very active.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2213804]It puts you a bit further from the action, but you might look into Hotel Paradise Center. It's half a block away from the Bicentenario Tranvia metro station and right around the corner from Mercado del Tranvia, which is a smaller version of Mercado del Rio, a collection of trendy restaurants. The Tranvia line drops you at the San Antonio station. The area the hotel is in is one of the best in El Centro and the rates go from $15 for a single bed to $20 for 2 doubles and a Jacuzzi tub. It's cash only, so you can probably get it for less in person.

Never been to the hotel, but walked and rode past it several times. A few blocks up the hill is a collection of discos and there are lots of small restaurants nearby.[/QUOTE]Thanks but I need to be real close, I do many laps a day of the strip clubs and redlight blocks and if the VeraCruz / Rauadal girl is real fun / cute I want to walk to my hotel with her.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2214003]Thanks but I need to be real close, I do many laps a day of the strip clubs and redlight blocks and if the VeraCruz / Rauadal girl is real fun / cute I want to walk to my hotel with her.[/QUOTE]Have you checked if Eros, the big love motel on the Raudal block, has a daily rate?

I like the Barrio Buenos Aires. I sometimes bring girls to the restaurants and the Mercado del Tranvia. Some nights there is entertainment there. I would not stay in a hotel for the same reason Broth Wolf mentioned, it's too far away from our favorite venues. It is not Centro by the way. It's not far from Centro but is the Barrio Buenos Aires. It has a very colorful history.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2213804]It puts you a bit further from the action, but you might look into Hotel Paradise Center. It's half a block away from the Bicentenario Tranvia metro station and right around the corner from Mercado del Tranvia, which is a smaller version of Mercado del Rio, a collection of trendy restaurants. The Tranvia line drops you at the San Antonio station. The area the hotel is in is one of the best in El Centro and the rates go from $15 for a single bed to $20 for 2 doubles and a Jacuzzi tub. It's cash only, so you can probably get it for less in person.

Never been to the hotel, but walked and rode past it several times. A few blocks up the hill is a collection of discos and there are lots of small restaurants nearby.[/QUOTE]

I think there is a prepay rate on expedia that's $36/ day.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2213578]Medellin. Pretty much the same all year, although less rain this time of year. Highs in the 80's. Lows in the 60's. Sun is hot, because of proximity to the equator. Low humidity.

Cartagena. Hot. Highs in the upper 80's, but the humidity makes it feel hotter. Reminds me of home here in Florida. A little more likely to have some rain during the day, but it rarely lasts.

San Andres. Hot and humid, but there is almost always a good breeze, since it's an island. It can be very rainy there, but this time of year I have found the rain to be less frequent (or at least not lasting as long).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DannyDee;2213680]Gentlemen,

Your collective inputs have been so helpful but I really need some more guidance before heading out. Believe me, I have read the forum for the past two years preparing for this trip. Now it looks like I'm finally going. I know the Medellin forum in and out but some clarification from you veterans is needed.

1. It appears that condos will all have front desk staff. Are they cool about girls coming in? I mean, one girl a day is a bare minimum. Will I get a visit from the owner of the apt telling me to slow down, or worse, get out? I know that security is there for my safety but I'd rather not have those long stares and daily reports to the owner.

2. It appears from your reports that the scene is primarily a 'casa' one, in that you enter a place, get shown a line up and so on. Basically it is similar to Europe (Prague, Budapest) and massage scene in North America. Please note that I'm not whining, but as a matter of choice it is not my favorite scene. Just like some of my preferred methods would not be to your liking. I don't like to stand in line with other punters in a small apartment, holding our wieners. I like brothel strip joints like in Tijuana, I would choose brothel strip joints in Prague over apartments if I go there. Therefore that White Mansion (in MDE will be just fine and I don't mind heading to centro to check out the SWs.

3. This is basically a continuation of #2. This might be where I'm totally wrong. From your reports there appears to be a clear delineation between working girls and others. What I mean is that I should not approach every female like I do in Cuba or like guys do in Sosua and around Copacabana? So virtually there's no semi pro scene (Sosua semi pro haha) unless you dig them up on social media?.[/QUOTE]Replies to your questions:

1. I know nothing abour condos since I never stay in them. I always stay in the same hotel in Laureles. But I would ask before hand about bringing guests and what their policy is. Also, ask on here as many guys rent the same places.

2. Not sure why you think it's a casa scene. Yes, many guys partake in the casa due to relatively low cost. But I would say that the majority of the MDE scene are independents that come to your hotel / apt or you go to theirs (and it's only the one chica there who sees guys by appointment, so you will never see other guys there, or other girls unless they live / work together-it's very private and discreet, not like what you refer to as "apartments" You can find them thru Facebook, or on one of the many websites (Photoprepagos, Paisasdivinas, Mileroticos, etc).

3. Yes, it's not like Cuba / Sosua where you can walk up to any woman and get a "date". MDE is like any non-sex destination. If you're in a bar or club, you can try to pick up any woman that's alone (make sure she's really alone and her mafioso boyfriend is not in the bathroom-that could end bad for you). If you're decent looking, in shape, can communicate with them, and can get a woman like that in your own country, go ahead and try. Otherwise, stick to the obvious pros.

Walking up to anybody on the street is not recommended in Colombia (except in obvious street walker areas). Again, it can end up bad for you if the wrong person sees you attempt to do it. Yes, the girls on social media are probably half semi-pros (part time hookers is more appropriate) and half full timers. Many work real jobs, and only hook when they need extra cash. Can't help you with how to find them because I don't specifically look for them.

4. I would say that 150 k is the normal / going rate. Some will ask for 200 or more, it's up to you if you want to pay it. Depends on how badly you want her. If you want her more than she wants you, then you will pay more. Many girls on the website I mentioned earlier will take 100-130. I have a real nice chica from one of the sites that charges 130 in her apartment that I have a good time with. As for BBBJ, you have to ask. Many are down for it, especially after the first time. I never understood that logic, that they are willing to take your uncovered cock in their mouth after 1 session because now they "know you". As for anal, again, you just have to ask. GFE is a little harder to gauge. It's not something you can ask for or force. Either she wants to do it or she doesn't. If she likes you, she may get down with it. But even for a first session, most chicas are going to try to please you because they know that the competition is fierce, so they will try to differentiate themselves. Most will kiss (DFK vs LFK depends on the chica- you can ask about DFK beforehand). Most really do try. But there are cold dead fish just like everywhere else. For me, if the personality is good, and she's talkative, it's usually a good session.

Excellent effort on that response jbee! Appreciate it even though it wasn't my question. Anyhow. I've been contacting some photoppago girls in the 150 k range. They all ask for 50 k upsale for BBBJ. What are you guys paying for BBBJ upsales in energy and new life? Or in general? I think new life is 50 k for a fuck so it would be kinda steep to get a 50 k upcharge for BBBJ there but curious how they roll there with the extras. Anyhow. Is there really no local Medellin active forums? I haven't found any worth a shit.

I have made 2 credit-card cash advance withdrawals this week.

1.) Bancolombia on Tuesday 1 am at airport: 2,801 per dollar Effective Rate (600 k wd with 13.6 k fee, $10 CC fee) total charged to my CC of $214.22.

2.) Servibanca on Thursday noon in Centro: 2,862 per dollar Effective Rate (780 k wd with 12.6 k fee, $10 CC fee) total charged to my CC of $272.49.

I personally don't like asking before. A lot of times it just happens naturally. If they insist I mention no propina with a condom. Then I can atleast tip what I feel it was worth. I believe you are right about New Life, I was hit with a large asking price there too. A lot of times I have had the street girls and photoprepagos girls never mention it.

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2214204]Excellent effort on that response jbee! Appreciate it even though it wasn't my question. Anyhow. I've been contacting some photoppago girls in the 150 k range. They all ask for 50 k upsale for BBBJ. What are you guys paying for BBBJ upsales in energy and new life? Or in general? I think new life is 50 k for a fuck so it would be kinda steep to get a 50 k upcharge for BBBJ there but curious how they roll there with the extras. Anyhow. Is there really no local Medellin active forums? I haven't found any worth a shit.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2214204]Excellent effort on that response jbee! Appreciate it even though it wasn't my question. Anyhow. I've been contacting some photoppago girls in the 150 k range. They all ask for 50 k upsale for BBBJ. What are you guys paying for BBBJ upsales in energy and new life? Or in general? I think new life is 50 k for a fuck so it would be kinda steep to get a 50 k upcharge for BBBJ there but curious how they roll there with the extras. Anyhow. Is there really no local Medellin active forums? I haven't found any worth a shit.[/QUOTE]I never asked and never paid for BBBJ. Frequently I've been asked if I wanted it with or without the condom. My answer is always that it doesn't matter. About half went ahead with the BBBJfk after asking. Overall I think I got BBBJ about 75% of the time, without ever asking.

My opinion is that most don't have a problem with it, but they've learned that guys will pay extra. If you are asking specifically for something extra, you're probably going to get charged for it. The more interested you are, the more you'll pay. I also never specify a time limit with Facebook girls. The few girls who specified 1 hour, I shut them down. Most were happy to stay 2 or 3 hours.

Other guys will tell you to get all the details in writing before. I guess that works for them. To me that is assembly line sex. Except for the one I took on the Metrocable to Parque Arvi, I never needed to do more than tell them the address and how much I paid.

Bonus tip:

The Metrocable from Santo Domingo to Parque Arvi takes about 15 minutes and weekday mornings it's practically deserted. A lot of fun can be had with the right girl.