Sosua Reports

Sosua is the scapegoat. And by using the scapegoat tactic on foreigners who made Sosua profitable is the DR govts attempt to take over profitable foreign own businesses. It it correct that while Puerto Plata is a slum and poor excuse for a major DR city, it is definitely jealous of Sosua's tourist traffic of foreign dollars. El Dorado and other resorts are a bust because the same business plan that have the Sosua and Cabarete elected officials thinking they were going to get cruise ship passengers is the same that led them to think resorts outside of Sosua would be profitable. What they are afraid to admit is "foreign families do not want to visit DR. " Plus, Haiti is where a lot of Canadians and Europeans rather visit. Before the earthquake, Haiti was a major destination for French speaking Canadians and from France. With the Euro, Spanish speaking people have too many options than the DR, and so do people who speak a common language in other Caribbean countries. The Dutch and English can go to their former colonies rather than the DR. All the DR has a common language with is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor Spain and poor Spanish speaking countries. Now that Cuba is opening up, the DR's reputation as the #1 Spanish speaking destination is over. If Puerto Rico is suffering, then so does the DR. What keeps the DR flowing with dollars is baseball and their women who need money to feed their families. Look at how many Dominicans finish college to be unemployed. They have never to have an "engineering school. " Where can yearly graduating Dominicans engineers work in the DR? Fuck, fix the damn electrical, water, plumbing, structures, and etc. Dominican engineers. Oh, DR can't afford to employ all of them educated engineering students, so the girls go to Sosua to either sell pizza slices, do hair, or meet someone who can help them take care of their parents, and, or kids.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1914546]I think tourism to the North Coast in general has fallen off slowly over several years.[/QUOTE]

Yeah man, you are very correct. Canadians and French families have other places to visit over the DR. The Germans not so much. Besides, Sosua was settled by Germans. But how many will German families can afford to fly to Sosua. Even me, If there were no Sosua I would've finished with the DR years ago.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1914350]If you read this, you will see how tourism was hit in the 90's (loss of 11000 rooms is mentioned) which somehow led to another kind of services being the lead attraction. The other interesting thing was the traditional foreign resident base. Germans, Canadians and the French which gave away to other nationalities. Guess which one?

The end of the article is full of platitudinous hopes, of International marketing and other tactics to eradicate the festering sore (even though the idea of unionizing women workers in the trade is also tossed in) and to re-jig quality tourism. If wishes were a horse.[/QUOTE].

The shame and truth about the DR is their college graduates are some of the girls working in Sosua and other other places in and out of the DR. I've met college girls who do not make their money by meeting foreign men with nothing more than a worthless Dominican degree. Even overseas those degrees are useless. Haitian academia is far more valuable than from the DR. In the DR a Haitians are better educated if they had not spent so much of their young like in the DR. The whole educated Dominican thing is a joke unless you are from the upperclass, and that's barely. 5 percent of the DR population.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1914573]Yeah man, you are very correct. Canadians and French families have other places to visit over the DR. The Germans not so much. Besides, Sosua was settled by Germans. [/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1914572]What they are afraid to admit is "foreign families do not want to visit DR. " Plus, Haiti is where a lot of Canadians and Europeans rather visit. Before the earthquake, Haiti was a major destination for French speaking Canadians and from France. With the Euro, Spanish speaking people have too many options than the DR, and so do people who speak a common language in other Caribbean countries. The Dutch and English can go to their former colonies rather than the DR. All the DR has a common language with is poor Spain and poor Spanish speaking countries. Now that Cuba is opening up, the DR's reputation as the #1 Spanish speaking destination is over. If Puerto Rico is suffering, then so does the DR..[/QUOTE]You got so many things wrong.

1. More foreigners than ever are visiting the DR. The DR didn't lose travelers to other countries; the north coast lost travelers to Punta Cana. More visitors are coming en masse to the all-inclusive assembly lines in Punta Cana. They're attracted by the convenience, free-flowing booze, a "home-away-from-home" (artificial) environment. As more people go, the economies of scale drive down the plane tickets; the hotels getting more revenue in turn are able to constantly add new attractions. That train has passed by the AIs in Puerto Plata. I stayed one night with a girl last year at Barcelo in Playa Dorado and it was sad. Soon after they closed and sold to another chain. Meanwhile mega new resorts like the Nickelodeon are sprouting up in Punta Cana.
"North Americans Drove Dominican Republics Record 2014 Tourism Growth"
[URL]http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/north-americans-drove-dominican-republics-record-2014-tourism-growth.html[/URL]

2. It will be many years before the infrastructure in Cuba can be at a level where it will attract the same kind of convenience and comfort minded travelers -- hate them or love them, they are the engine of DR tourism. If the North Coast can't compete for these folks, how can Cuba?

3. Comparing Puerto Rico and the DR is like apples and oranges. First, tourism. PR is a US territory and follow US labor laws, therefore you will never see cheap AI pricing there as in the DR. Second, while the overall economy is in shambles in PR, the DR keeps getting better and better. For the past few years it's been the most robust in all of Latin America and will continue this year.
"Dominican Republic's economy most robust in Latin America, Caribbean region"
[URL]http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2016/01/07/dominican-republic-economy-most-robust-in-latin-america-caribbean-region/[/URL]
"Dominican Republic to lead region with 6.0% growth: UN"
[URL]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2016/7/26/60124/Dominican-Republic-to-lead-region-with-60-growth-UN[/URL]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1914657]You got so many things wrong.

1. More foreigners than ever are visiting the DR. The DR didn't lose travelers to other countries; the north coast lost travelers to Punta Cana. More visitors are coming en masse to the all-inclusive assembly lines in Punta Cana. They're attracted by the convenience, free-flowing booze, a "home-away-from-home" (artificial) environment. As more people go, the economies of scale drive down the plane tickets; the hotels getting more revenue in turn are able to constantly add new attractions. That train has passed by the AIs in Puerto Plata. I stayed one night with a girl last year at Barcelo in Playa Dorado and it was sad. Soon after they closed and sold to another chain. Meanwhile mega new resorts like the Nickelodeon are sprouting up in Punta Cana.
"North Americans Drove Dominican Republics Record 2014 Tourism Growth"
[URL]http://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/north-americans-drove-dominican-republics-record-2014-tourism-growth.html[/URL]

2. It will be many years before the infrastructure in Cuba can be at a level where it will attract the same kind of convenience and comfort minded travelers -- hate them or love them, they are the engine of DR tourism. If the North Coast can't compete for these folks, how can Cuba?

3. Comparing Puerto Rico and the DR is like apples and oranges. First, tourism. PR is a US territory and follow US labor laws, therefore you will never see cheap AI pricing there as in the DR. Second, while the overall economy is in shambles in PR, the DR keeps getting better and better. For the past few years it's been the most robust in all of Latin America and will continue this year.
"Dominican Republic's economy most robust in Latin America, Caribbean region"
[URL]http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2016/01/07/dominican-republic-economy-most-robust-in-latin-america-caribbean-region/[/URL]
"Dominican Republic to lead region with 6.0% growth: UN"
[URL]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2016/7/26/60124/Dominican-Republic-to-lead-region-with-60-growth-UN[/URL][/QUOTE]I agree with you, (and not just because you nearly made me nearly famous on Youtube) :)

There are so many factors, historical, economical, cultural, ethnic and political, that there are many reasons for the situations we observe in the DR.

Most of the individual observations are valid for that observer, but that doesn't mean somebody else's analysis is totally wrong.

Reminds me of the three blind men trying to figure out an elephant.

One feeling the tail says it is like a rope, another feeling the leg, a pillar, one feeling the tusk, a tree branch and so on.

That's Sosua! It's all those things at the same time.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1914657]You got so many things wrong.[/QUOTE]I just say this. I'm a Caribbean American with a long history in the tourism industry. I know the numbers over the observations as a tourist. As in DR, Punta Cana is a small part of the issue, and the DR tourism ministry tried to duplicate PC on the northcoast and it failed, hence, the abandoned all inclusive properties in and near Sosua. Yes PR and DR are different, but similar, from crime to rum. And you're right that Cuba has no infrastructure, but that's an American issue. Everyone but American (no the sneaky ones) have been going to Cuba since Castro came to power. Dominicans, Latin Americans, Caribbeans, Europeans, Mexicans and Canadians have no problem with Cuba, and American cruise ships to Cuba are now more popular than Mamon and POP. This also is why the DR peso is getting weaker at 46 to a US dollar in the banks.

But I am not here to go back and forth with you. My point is Sosua will eventually go the way of Copacabana if the Dominicans keep biting the hands that feed them.

Parkinson's is absolutely correct. Just yesterday BQ Ribs was in the airport in Jersey and it was a big group of African American kids and adults holding up the lines. The group was 49 plus deep and some had been pre-screened and some hadn't. BQ Ribs went up and asked where they were going and they said to a resort in Pubta Cana. It seems it's an annual jaunt for this big group.

New girls from Santiago may be arriving into Sosua. But it shows that DR is also getting aggressive in Santiago with girl oriented establishments /.

Pasion night club closed in Santiago.

The prosecutor's office in Santiago announced the shutdown of the Pasion night club located in LOS Transformadores off the Duarte Highway, near the community of Canabacoa. Jose Gomez and Juan Estrella, co-owners, were arrested in a raid that was conducted on the suspicion of violations of Law 36 on Firearms, Trafficking in People and Money Laundering. Reportedly, 32 women were rescued from sexual exploitation.

Listin Diario reports that Pasion is the second adult club to be closed in Santiago in less than three months. On 9 May 2016, the Casa Blanca adult club was closed. At the time, it was reported that dozens of women were rescued from sexual exploitation, according to prosecutor Luisa Liranzo.

[URL]http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/...urno-CX4462756[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1914673]Parkinson's is absolutely correct. Just yesterday BQ Ribs was in the airport in Jersey and it was a big group of African American kids and adults holding up the lines. The group was 49 plus deep and some had been pre-screened and some hadn't. BQ Ribs went up and asked where they were going and they said to a resort in Punta Cana. It seems it's an annual jaunt for this big group.[/QUOTE]I know many people who ask me about DR, but what they are asking is usually about Punta Cana, which is not DR. An awful lot of people from Canada are going down there to vacation, and like the other posters have said, Punta Cana has no labor laws so everything is a lot cheaper than other destinations.

The closest rival to Punta Cana for Canadians would be Cancun, which is much more expensive in comparison. They would never contemplate Sosua, because of its world wide reputation.

I was with my family in Punta Cana, they had been there before, and I asked them to go to dinner in town. Oh sure, they said we go to town all the time, so we got into two taxis and took off.

Turns out what they thought was "town", was some new little commercial Galleria that had a bank and shops and a couple of high end tourist restaurants.

I was there with my local GF and we both laughed at what they believed was the town.

Things could change, bur I don't think we'll be seeing a WaterPark or an Ocean World, in Sosua anytime soon!

Just lots of beautiful, cheap, pussy!

Can anyone provide a guesstimate of what I should expect to pay for pussy in Sosua this weekend (short term session).

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1914812]I know many people who ask me about DR, but what they are asking is usually about Punta Cana, which is not DR. An awful lot of people from Canada are going down there to vacation, and like the other posters have said, Punta Cana has no labor laws so everything is a lot cheaper than other destinations.

The closest rival to Punta Cana for Canadians would be Cancun, which is much more expensive in comparison. They would never contemplate Sosua, because of its world wide reputation.

I was with my family in Punta Cana, they had been there before, and I asked them to go to dinner in town. Oh sure, they said we go to town all the time, so we got into two taxis and took off.

Turns out what they thought was "town", was some new little commercial Galleria that had a bank and shops and a couple of high end tourist restaurants.

I was there with my local GF and we both laughed at what they believed was the town.

Things could change, bur I don't think we'll be seeing a WaterPark or an Ocean World, in Sosua anytime soon!

Just lots of beautiful, cheap, pussy![/QUOTE]There is an Ocean World not that far from Sosua, just a few miles northwest of Puerto Plata. I have been there. The dolphin show is excellent and you can also handle sharks, if you like.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1914672]My point is Sosua will eventually go the way of Copacabana if the Dominicans keep biting the hands that feed them.[/QUOTE]And which way did Copacabana go? They closed Help Disco and Balcony Bar and stopped hookers from hanging out at Meia Pataca cafe. (They do, however, still hang out at Mab's cafe.) Hookers no longer hang at the beach. Hell, even the top couple of escort websites shut down. The residents got what they wanted. The neighborhood has not even hiccupped from it.

We are talking Rio, a metro of 13 million that has hosted the World Cup and will be hosting the Olympic Games, versus Sosua/Puerto Plata that most of the world has never even heard of with 300,000 residents.

50 mongers at any time who made those 4 places their only hunting ground did not interfere with the local economy because they did not return. Copacabana is still a top attraction among Brazilian and foreign tourists alike. And the mongers who diversified and got to know other places such as the privees and casas and termas downtown as well as Vila Mimosa and meeting non-pro chicks online, have not skipped a beat.

Punta Cana has better hotels, better beaches and more beautiful sea than Puerto Plata and Sosua. More than 9 million arrivals to PUJ in 2015 and 2 million to STI and POP together. It's very difficult for Puerto Plata province to compete with Punta Cana / Bavaro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1914876]Sosua/Puerto Plata that most of the world has never even heard of with 300,000 residents.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't the point. The point is Sosua's business practices will make that small town and geographical economy lose the biggest tourist draw it has.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1914876]That wasn't the point. The point is Copacabana is still a top attraction among Brazilian and foreign tourists alike. And the mongers who diversified and got to know other places such as the privees and casas and termas downtown as well as Vila Mimosa and meeting non-pro chicks online, have not skipped a beat.[/QUOTE]
I prefer to stay in centro hotels to meet non-pro chicks in Lapa and office workers or shop girls, visit the office buildings, privees, casas, or take the boat to Niteroi. Online dating, never!!! Do you pay attention to the world's economic situation? The Euro has gotten a lot weaker and is slipping every day, and Brasil is suffering from it's worst economy since the 1930's. On that, Europeans and Brasilians use to come to Copa but no longer, and they are dumping their Rio apartments to liquidate for cash on hand especially with a weak real that will get even weaker after the Olympics.

But no way was I comparing Sosua to Rio! You miss understood! My point is if Sosua's mayor keeps screwing arounds with something that is not broken it will get broke.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1915138]Do you pay attention to the world's economic situation? The Euro has gotten a lot weaker and is slipping every day, and Brasil is suffering from it's worst economy since the 1930's. On that, Europeans and Brasilians use to come to Copa but no longer, and they are dumping their Rio apartments to liquidate for cash on hand especially with a weak real that will get even weaker after the Olympics.[/QUOTE]Do I pay attention to the world's economic situation? Well I can tell you that I did work on my MBA in Rio, so I am more familiar with the Brazilian economy than most others. And maybe prostitution is Sosua's biggest draw, but it most certainly has never been Copacabana's biggest draw. Hell, my first time in Brazil was with my ex wife. We stayed at the Windsor Hotel on Copacabana Beach and at that time I had no idea of the prostitution that was there. Not until over a year later when I returned with some friends who already knew the scene was I tuned into it.

But my point is that you alluded to the banishing of prostitution in Copacabana as being the reason that Copacabana went whichever way (as you said the same fate awaits Sosua if "Dominicans keep biting the hands that feeds them.") Now you are saying the Euro is weak and the Brazilian economy is bad so the Copa neighborhood is suffering. A handfull of mongers at any given time would do nothing to prop up neither a neighborhood of 150,000, a weak Euro, nor a country that you say is suffering from its worst economy. And what benefit did anyone in Copa receive from mongers and hookers? They only patroned a couple of restaurants and the apartment owners that they rented from did not even live in the neighborhood.

That is why I can't see the comparison you are making between Copacabana and Sosua. I guess you could have just as well said Sosua is going to go the way of Detroit or Kansas. Nobody in Brazil is saying if we would not have driven off the mongers and the hookers from Copacabana, then the economy would not be in the shitter, because one had no bearing on the other.