Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1915308]But my point is that you alluded to the banishing of prostitution in Copacabana as being the reason that Copacabana went whichever way (as you said the same fate awaits Sosua if "Dominicans keep biting the hands that feeds them.") Now you are saying the Euro is weak and the Brazilian economy is bad so the Copa neighborhood is suffering. A handfull of mongers at any given time would do nothing to prop up neither a neighborhood of 150,000, a weak Euro, nor a country that you say is suffering from its worst economy. And what benefit did anyone in Copa receive from mongers and hookers? They only patroned a couple of restaurants and the apartment owners that they rented from did not even live in the neighborhood.[/QUOTE]You missed another point. I was talking about the cash flow from mongers. I mention that the cash spent by the girls spent in Copa by the girls; the apartments they rented for high fees, the clothes they bought, their hair and nails fees. I think you're seeing things from an American male tourist POV, which is not from a carioca POV. Just the unofficial changing of Euros and US dollars is missed for the money cambios isn't the same. I still speak to Bobby of Blame it on Rio and his office manager Dani and my opinion is based on their boots on the ground opinion besides my own recent visits. Marcos who rent the chairs on Hoe Beach I talk to will tell you that business is not as good as it was. They will tell you the politicians fucked up a great cash flow that today's tourists visiting can't compare. I wasn't talking about the mongers who sat at Mei Pataca and Bibis. LOL!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1915308]That is why I can't see the comparison you are making between Copacabana and Sosua. I guess you could have just as well said Sosua is going to go the way of Detroit or Kansas. Nobody in Brazil is saying if we would not have driven off the mongers and the hookers from Copacabana, then the economy would not be in the shitter, because one had no bearing on the other.[/QUOTE]Sosua will go the same way, because Sosua before they started closing bars was "fish in a barrel" for lazy mongers. Now it is on and off a respirator. Ask the unemployed "Dominican Sosua food chain" who are unemployed. The beach is the only place, but that's for nonpro hoes and families. Like Copa I left the Golden triangle long before Help closed, and I still can do my thing in Rio without the old day level of hoes. Hell, there are more Copa hoes in the US because of simps marrying them. For me I can do without the PC strip if needed be. The closing of the bars will mean less weekend warrior crowd, but cheaper hotel rooms and the price of the girls will go down in a buyer's market. My expat friends in Sosua who migrated from Copa, or Rio communities, will tell you that even with the PC shut down the hoes are still around with nothing else to do. There is no money in the DR for Dominicans. Sosua is even having a water crisis, and the girls like simple things like a nice hotel shower. It's all resetting to default in Sosua and Rio after the games back to their 3rd world comfort zones, where hunger and deprivation of dreams is the norm, unfortunately. As the girls who went to college and graduated just to work in hotels and restaurants with their uneducated fellow Dominican or carioca. Ask the cops who beg tourists for 50 pesos to put gas in their personal motoconchos so they can ride around Sosua two at a time patrols. The cops will miss those gringo tips. And unlike Rio, the cops do not have Olympic athletes to kidnap and rob like they did to New Zealand Jiu-jitsu athlete Jason Lee, http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36883479. Y'all do not have to panic. LOL!

Trip report day 1:

I arrived yesterday around 7 pm. Everything was pretty smooth except the driver the hotel sent ran out of gas midway through the journey. He was pretty apologetic and it was no big deal but for a second I was a bit worried it would take an hour to get it. Luckily some dude on a motorcycle saw us and brought us a can of gas from down the road. People here seem friendly when they're not trying to offer you drugs or sell you crap.

Classico and Rumbas were not open, so the big hang out was Bourbon Street bar. On my way over to the bar, I saw a beautiful girl but resisted the temptation to just go with first chica I saw. Scoped out Bourbon Street: most of the girls didn't appeal to me, and I was all nervous because of my new surroundings. While I was sipping a Presidente, the beautiful girl from before walks by. I could sort of tell from the front that she had an amazing ass and beautiful skin, but seeing it from behind I knew I wanted her. I wave her down and she takes a seat. Ask her a few questions in my shitty Spanish, and eventually she says why don't we speak in English. (Red flag #1). After I run out of things to ask her, and the conversation feels forced because she's not really trying (red flag #2), I ask her to come to my hotel room. She asks for 3000 p and doesn't budge on the price. Being sort of eager to pop my Sosua cherry, I agreed.

In the room, she's pretty cold and was clearly annoyed when I denied her request to pay up front. I tried to get her to loosen up with some music and dancing, but it was clear she was just trying to get in and out as fast as possible. She didn't really want to kiss me, doesn't even pretend to enjoy it. Too much of that kind of stuff kills the mood.

All in all, my first Sosua girl was a let down. BUT, I have learned a couple of lessons, and I'm expecting Classico to be bumping.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1914883]Punta Cana has better hotels, better beaches and more beautiful sea than Puerto Plata and Sosua. More than 9 million arrivals to PUJ in 2015 and 2 million to STI and POP together. It's very difficult for Puerto Plata province to compete with Punta Cana / Bavaro.[/QUOTE]60 miles of resorts, that is a lot of cement. For me, laying on a beach all day is boring. I will take the mountains, the trees, the people of the North any time over the boring landscape of Punta Cana.

[QUOTE=RikyRapido;1915643]60 miles of resorts, that is a lot of cement. For me, laying on a beach all day is boring. I will take the mountains, the trees, the people of the North any time over the boring landscape of Punta Cana.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right. Me too, but most of the tourists don't seem to think that way. Venturing outside your comfort zone, may it be Pedro Clisante or a AI is too risky for most. They should try something different in Puerto Plata/Sosua from what they are doing in Punta Cana.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1915596]You missed another point. I was talking about the cash flow from mongers. I mention that the cash spent by the girls spent in Copa by the girls; the apartments they rented for high fees, the clothes they bought, their hair and nails fees. I think you're seeing things from an American male tourist POV, which is not from a carioca POV. Just the unofficial changing of Euros and US dollars is missed for the money cambios isn't the same. I still speak to Bobby of Blame it on Rio and his office manager Dani and my opinion is based on their boots on the ground opinion besides my own recent visits. Marcos who rent the chairs on Hoe Beach I talk to will tell you that business is not as good as it was. They will tell you the politicians fucked up a great cash flow that today's tourists visiting can't compare.[/QUOTE]You could count the Copacabana hookers that actually lived in the same area on 2 hands. And they didn't even live alone, but lived 2 or 3 to a place. I still say that the absence of mongering has had no economic effect on the neighborhood. Bobby and John are not even Brazilian. They moved there to cash in on the mongers. So of course they are going to hurt if the mongers are gone. The part that people called Hoe Beach was not even a swath. The area of beach that the mongers and hookers were confined to wasn't even half a block. So maybe a couple of chair vendors did lose some clientele. What businesses or hotels had to close their doors because of an absence of mongers? JW Marriott is still open for business. Copacabana Palace is not hurting for its rooms to be filled. Big Nectar is still serving up sandwiches 24 hours / day. None of the bus routes have been cut. Copacabana is a large neighborhood (did I mention 150,000 people) with countless stores, restaurants, banks, post office, shops, movie theater, 2 metro rail stations and mostly retired old people. A few mongers did nothing to add value to their neighborhood. That is why they wanted that shit gone.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1915596]The closing of the bars will mean less weekend warrior crowd, but cheaper hotel rooms and the price of the girls will go down in a buyer's market.[/QUOTE]Now YOU are thinking like a gringo. You know good and well that when business is bad they increase the prices to try to compensate. In the days that things were good for mongers in Rio my studio apartment was $500/ month. That place has more than doubled in cost now. And I have the same size place in Thailand for $125. And last time I was in Rio, Copacabana hookers were talking about 400 reais for all night, when in the good old days they were happy with 100 reais for all night.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1915672]You could count the Copacabana hookers that actually lived in the same area on 2 hands. And they didn't even live alone, but lived 2 or 3 to a place. I still say that the absence of mongering has had no economic effect on the neighborhood. Bobby and John are not even Brazilian. They moved there to cash in on the mongers. So of course they are going to hurt if the mongers are gone. The part that people called Hoe Beach was not even a swath. The area of beach that the mongers and hookers were confined to wasn't even half a block. So maybe a couple of chair vendors did lose some clientele. What businesses or hotels had to close their doors because of an absence of mongers? JW Marriott is still open for business. Copacabana Palace is not hurting for its rooms to be filled. Big Nectar is still serving up sandwiches 24 hours / day. None of the bus routes have been cut. Copacabana is a large neighborhood (did I mention 150,000 people) with countless stores, restaurants, banks, post office, shops, movie theater, 2 metro rail stations and mostly retired old people. A few mongers did nothing to add value to their neighborhood. That is why they wanted that shit gone.

Now YOU are thinking like a gringo. You know good and well that when business is bad they increase the prices to try to compensate. In the days that things were good for mongers in Rio my studio apartment was $500/ month. That place has more than doubled in cost now. And I have the same size place in Thailand for $125. And last time I was in Rio, Copacabana hookers were talking about 400 reais for all night, when in the good old days they were happy with 100 reais for all night.[/QUOTE]You guys can't compare a country like Brazil with 200 Million people, (9 million alone in Rio De Janerio) to a small island like the Dominican Republic Sousa. Copacabana and Ipanema have a lot of Rich Brazilians and Rich Foreigners that live and work around that area. So Hotels, Restaurants, etc. Are not going to be hurt if mongers don't show up to Brazil anymore, even when you go to the termas. You hardly see Foreigners. Its mostly rich Brazilian Business men, Police Officers, Doctors, etc. When I go to the 4 x 4 Termas I might meet about 1-2 Americans or Europeans, the rest are Brazilian. It would help that a place like help was still open but in Brazil those business on Copacabana can still survive without the gringo dollar, there is a lot of well to do Brazilians.

Now in a place like Sousa is going to be hurt if mongers stop showing up, Hotels like New Gardens, and Clubs like Classicos are going to hurt, because Sousa is a very small town. The Expat community is small, and most Dominicans are broke and poor. The ones that are rich you won't catch them spending money in a place like Sousa. They need the Gringo Dollar because its a small community.

For some reason my other post wasn't cleared by the moderator, or it somehow wasn't submitted properly.

In summary, I arrived yesterday. There were a good number of girls on the strip, most of them didn't appeal to me, but some beautiful girls. I grabbed one and after negotiating poorly, she was really cold in the bedroom.

This afternoon, more of the same. Met a girl on the strip who was pretty but didn't vet her properly. When we got to the room, she was sort of bitchy and stole 200 pesos of change from my pockets when she took some gum. Like the girl from last night, she spoke a bit of English. Should I just auto-reject a girl who speaks some English? Hoping things pick up a lot when I go to Classico tonight. I've mostly been chilling at the hotel to avoid the touts, and it's really hot outside.

The hotel I'm at is OK, not much to complain about. Almost no one is here, and I think I might be one of a handful of young white guys in Sosua.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1915672]Now YOU are thinking like a gringo.[/QUOTE]Hell, I am a gringo, and so are you! LOL!

[QUOTE=NZSmith;1915710]This afternoon, more of the same. Met a girl on the strip who was pretty but didn't vet her properly. When we got to the room, she was sort of bitchy and stole 200 pesos of change from my pockets when she took some gum.[/QUOTE]Damn bro. Unless you had 8 25 peso pieces I would say she did you a favor. You are probably walking around feeling about 10 pounds lighter now. You must have been walking with a gangster lean before that.

I cared less about the 200 pesos than the blatant disrespect. She had a pretty nice car and demanded my Whatsapp number but scurried like a rat at the sight of $4.50! Hope to meet some nicer girls tonight and tomorrow.

Wait! What conversation are you looking at? What's comparing countries?

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1915708]You guys can't compare a country like Brazil with 200 Million people, (9 million alone in Rio De Janerio) to a small island like the Dominican Republic Sousa. Copacabana and Ipanema have a lot of Rich Brazilians and Rich Foreigners that live and work around that area. So Hotels, Restaurants, etc. Are not going to be hurt if mongers don't show up to Brazil anymore, even when you go to the termas. You hardly see Foreigners. Its mostly rich Brazilian Business men, Police Officers, Doctors, etc. When I go to the 4 x 4 Termas I might meet about 1-2 Americans or Europeans, the rest are Brazilian. It would help that a place like help was still open but in Brazil those business on Copacabana can still survive without the gringo dollar, there is a lot of well to do Brazilians.

Now in a place like Sousa is going to be hurt if mongers stop showing up, Hotels like New Gardens, and Clubs like Classicos are going to hurt, because Sousa is a very small town. The Expat community is small, and most Dominicans are broke and poor. The ones that are rich you won't catch them spending money in a place like Sousa. They need the Gringo Dollar because its a small community.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=NZSmith;1915635]Trip report day 1:

I arrived yesterday around 7 pm. Everything was pretty smooth except the driver the hotel sent ran out of gas midway through the journey. He was pretty apologetic and it was no big deal but for a second I was a bit worried it would take an hour to get it. Luckily some dude on a motorcycle saw us and brought us a can of gas from down the road. People here seem friendly when they're not trying to offer you drugs or sell you crap.

Classico and Rumbas were not open, so the big hang out was Bourbon Street bar. On my way over to the bar, I saw a beautiful girl but resisted the temptation to just go with first chica I saw. Scoped out Bourbon Street: most of the girls didn't appeal to me, and I was all nervous because of my new surroundings. While I was sipping a Presidente, the beautiful girl from before walks by. I could sort of tell from the front that she had an amazing ass and beautiful skin, but seeing it from behind I knew I wanted her. I wave her down and she takes a seat. Ask her a few questions in my shitty Spanish, and eventually she says why don't we speak in English. (Red flag #1). After I run out of things to ask her, and the conversation feels forced because she's not really trying (red flag #2), I ask her to come to my hotel room. She asks for 3000 p and doesn't budge on the price. Being sort of eager to pop my Sosua cherry, I agreed

In the room, she's pretty cold and was clearly annoyed when I denied her request to pay up front. I tried to get her to loosen up with some music and dancing, but it was clear she was just trying to get in and out as fast as possible. She didn't really want to kiss me, doesn't even pretend to enjoy it. Too much of that kind of stuff kills the mood

All in all, my first Sosua girl was a let down. BUT, I have learned a couple of lessons, and I'm expecting Classico to be bumping.[/QUOTE]Been there done that. Don't be in a hurry to pick a chica. You will end up overpaying, and being disappointed with looks and performance. They keep on showing up. No hurry. I hate when I do it. Especially when I'm only in town a couple nights.

Many times a girl who speaks good English is a wiley veteran, and not your best choice. If your Spanish is limited, you feel a comfort zone with a girl who speaks your language. There's always an exception, though. Met a Dominican girl in St. Martin. Spoke excellent English. Learned from school not the streets. Was the sweatest, pretty little thing you could imagine.

[QUOTE=NZSmith;1915710]For some reason my other post wasn't cleared by the moderator, or it somehow wasn't submitted properly.

In summary, I arrived yesterday. There were a good number of girls on the strip, most of them didn't appeal to me, but some beautiful girls. I grabbed one and after negotiating poorly, she was really cold in the bedroom.

This afternoon, more of the same. Met a girl on the strip who was pretty but didn't vet her properly. When we got to the room, she was sort of bitchy and stole 200 pesos of change from my pockets when she took some gum. Like the girl from last night, she spoke a bit of English. Should I just auto-reject a girl who speaks some English? Hoping things pick up a lot when I go to Classico tonight. I've mostly been chilling at the hotel to avoid the touts, and it's really hot outside.

The hotel I'm at is OK, not much to complain about. Almost no one is here, and I think I might be one of a handful of young white guys in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Just try to focus on chatting with the girls and finding one whom you seem to click with, where there is some kind of mutual attraction. Many of the chicas are going to know a few phrases of English these days. It is easy to underestimate how difficult it is to obtain satisfactory experiences when everything in the environment is new to you, but probably after a couple of days you will be more relaxed and things will flow more easily. Most of the guys who write regularly on this board have had sex with scores, hundreds, or even thousands of chicas, so they have a rather different perspective.

I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report Ath