Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1915928]I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report Ath[/QUOTE]What do you all think about this information. Thanks Grownman for the update!

[QUOTE=Revere;1916017]What do you all think about this information. Thanks Grownman for the update![/QUOTE]Everybody already said that things would be back to normal soon, so... But what is the other club besides Clasico?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1915928]I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report Ath[/QUOTE]The question is did it open up on the weekend. Others have already reported that it is closed during the week and is only supposed to open on the weekend (I think Revere was the first to report this).

Let's see what NZSmith reports back with.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1914212]I just read about Pantie Man on FB. I guess he was found dead in his apartment?

Anyone else have any information?[/QUOTE]I missed this earlier.

He was part of the Sosua I knew and he always had something in that truck worth buying. He knew which chicas to target with what.

I will miss his happy smile and sense of humor about his gayness.

Add him to the list of casualties that includes another Sosua icon, tranny Naomi, who I also knew fairly well.

The alternate lifestyle down there is a dangerous business.

Classico was open and very busy. Don't know the gender ratio, definitely way more women than men. (At first I was just in the bar and didn't understand why people were obsessed with the place. Then I realized the upstairs was where it was at!) Went against my own intentions and within 20 minutes picked up a hottie who was really nice. I will be back tonight.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1914876]And which way did Copacabana go? They closed Help Disco and Balcony Bar and stopped hookers from hanging out at Meia Pataca cafe. (They do, however, still hang out at Mab's cafe.) Hookers no longer hang at the beach. Hell, even the top couple of escort websites shut down. The residents got what they wanted. The neighborhood has not even hiccupped from it.

We are talking Rio, a metro of 13 million that has hosted the World Cup and will be hosting the Olympic Games, versus Sosua/Puerto Plata that most of the world has never even heard of with 300,000 residents.

50 mongers at any time who made those 4 places their only hunting ground did not interfere with the local economy because they did not return. Copacabana is still a top attraction among Brazilian and foreign tourists alike. And the mongers who diversified and got to know other places such as the privees and casas and termas downtown as well as Vila Mimosa and meeting non-pro chicks online, have not skipped a beat.[/QUOTE]This is correct. Monger diversification is a natural evolution. You can't keep coming to the same spots when you know better. In Copa spots like Monte Carlo are really only for the green gringo and some Brazilians with money.

The wise gringo is bangin the girl from MC outside pretending to be dating them and leading them on a bit!

[QUOTE=NZSmith;1916056]Classico was open and very busy. Don't know the gender ratio, definitely way more women than men. (At first I was just in the bar and didn't understand why people were obsessed with the place. Then I realized the upstairs was where it was at!) Went against my own intentions and within 20 minutes picked up a hottie who was really nice. I will be back tonight.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reporting back NZSmith.

And you did it correctly with following your instincts (picking a hottie quickly). The hot ones usually get snatched up pretty fast, so no point in waiting around all night hoping to get a grand bargain.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1915928]I also got the word both clubs are closed down. Thank you for the confirmation and the on the ground report Ath[/QUOTE]Classico's is open on Friday and Saturday nights only.

[QUOTE=NZSmith;1915635]Trip report day 1: Classico and Rumbas were not open, so the big hang out was Bourbon Street bar. On my way over to the bar, I saw a beautiful girl but resisted the temptation to just go with first chica I saw. Scoped out Bourbon Street: most of the girls didn't appeal to me, and I was all nervous because of my new surroundings. While I was sipping a Presidente, the beautiful girl from before walks by. I could sort of tell from the front that she had an amazing ass and beautiful skin, but seeing it from behind I knew I wanted her. I wave her down and she takes a seat. Ask her a few questions in my shitty Spanish, and eventually she says why don't we speak in English. (Red flag #1). After I run out of things to ask her, and the conversation feels forced because she's not really trying (red flag #2), I ask her to come to my hotel room. She asks for 3000 p and doesn't budge on the price. Being sort of eager to pop my Sosua cherry, I agreed.

In the room, she's pretty cold and was clearly annoyed when I denied her request to pay up front. I tried to get her to loosen up with some music and dancing, but it was clear she was just trying to get in and out as fast as possible. She didn't really want to kiss me, doesn't even pretend to enjoy it. Too much of that kind of stuff kills the mood.

All in all, my first Sosua girl was a let down. BUT, I have learned a couple of lessons, and I'm expecting Classico to be bumping.[/QUOTE]I know when a guy is new even with a shitload of intel, advice, and instincts, theres a tendency to throw some caution to the wind and wing it and see what happens. It's good you had an opportunity to experience what you did. Now for the record, your experience could have gone another way. She could have been pleasant, appreciative, fun to be with and more. It's not always easy to predict what you are going to get from each chica.

However, each individual monger can try to strike a balance between taking a risk with an unknown chica, vs paying close attention to certain details, yellow and red flags. Also bearing in mind that chicas are also sizing you up too. A new guy trying to strike up a normal conversation is going to make an impression about you. And it may not be a good one. Personally, I like to keep things very light with them. I don't try to get to know them, don't need to know if they have children, nothing personal that I really don't give a shit about. To do so, can make a guy look like he doesn't realize she is a hooker playing a role. Most of them got boyfriends, chulos, western union novios and husbands. So it kinda is unnecessary to get that deep into them on a personal level. Further, a guy should not necessarily expect a hooker to be "getting into you" on a personal level either. She's there to make money, and not every chica has time to market herself and behave as a paid escort.

Sounds like the moment she joined you she started taking control. You wanted to make things seem more like a personble encounter, hoping she may respond in kind. She on the other hand wanted to work towards getting back to your spot, hustle her money and split. So now that you had this happen, you have to determine what will your priorities be while you are mongering. Would you prefer to have more semblance of control in your future dealings, or will your desire for a particular chica have you disregarding pertinent details?

At the time you both were discussing price, you apparently had your own price. Whatever that was, I assume you made her aware of your price. And if she then tells you she wants 3000, then it's up to you not to budge from your price. Not you accepting her price because she won't budge. Hopefully all of this negotiating was done before leaving to go to your spot? You could if you want, ask the chica what is she providing for 3000 that you can't get from her for 2000? By the time I may ask that question, I've probably already decided to leave her alone. I would just thank her for stopping by.

Next in your spot. When that chica asked for money up front, that was a definite sign of potential trouble ahead. There are several chicas out there asking for money up front. Thats because what's to come next is not going to be satisfying to the guy, and they know it. So they want to secure the money up front. In addition, your newness lets them know that they can attempt to get you to pay up front. Good for you, you didn't let it happen. Knowledgeable vets would rarely ever pay a chica up front for services not rendered. Thats not how its done. IMO, that chica should have been showed the door. You had enough to go on to dismiss her entirely.

Getting back to general vetting conversation. Especially with these cute chicas, I think it's a good idea of going over some basics. If the chica doesn't seem very sociable or you feel like you are interrogating the chica, then just get to the point of things you need to know. Like, telling her the services you want. BBBJ or with a condom. kissing, massages etc, That you only pay when done. And anything else you have in mind. Be careful about negotiating time with these chicas. For instance, a chica may say she wants 3000 for 2 hrs.

Trust me, the minute you bust a nut most chicas will be ready to bounce and expect to get paid 3000. She (for the most part) aint going to stay for 2 full hrs. So don't pay for hours or her time. Pay for leches / sex, Sounds more practical telling a chica you will give her 1500 to 2500 for 1 leche / sex, And add that you only need 1 HR of sex. If you bust a nut in 25 minutes, no problem. You pay 1500 to 2500 and your happy. But nobody wants to be bamboozled by some chica telling him he's paying 3000 for 2 hrs. Which essentially is 1500 per hour. If your done in 40 minutes, and got to pay 3000, that may not sit well.

And don't forget if a chica is asking for a lot of money, your time should start in your hotel room when you are having sex, not in the bar. And that's one of the things you can discuss upfront in the bar / restaurant. Thats meaningful and productive conversation. Not how many kids she's got, and does she have a boyfriend. Some chicas are going to try to eat up your time, by wasting it supposedly in the bathroom, fucking with their telephones etc, or some other bullshit. Be mindful, some chicas are in the bathroom a while because they are on their periods. And they are trying to clean up good, so you don't see it until later.

All in all, you have nothing to lose by taking it slow and not being too eager. Personally I thinks it's best being pursued rather than chasing women. If you feel free to do so, you can offer a chicas you are unsure of, YOUR number to call or whatsapp you. You may vet her a little more by text. If you want to take the plunge you can advise her that you are willing to give her a try at your price. And also that if she is good, you will offer her repeat business and references to other guys. If she doesn't bite, so what? You probably avoided something you could do without. Better to do that, then you taking her number and chasing a hooker. "Hey baby! I have money, I have the 3000 you want. I want you to come to my hotel. " Thirsty dudes who let their loins do most of the thinking, can be seen coming a mile away.

This is not intended to be gospel. Just one mans opinion / perspective. Something to think about.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1916660]Also bearing in mind that chicas are also sizing you up too. A new guy trying to strike up a normal conversation is going to make an impression about you. And it may not be a good one. Personally, I like to keep things very light with them. I don't try to get to know them, don't need to know if they have children, nothing personal that I really don't give a shit about. To do so, can make a guy look like he doesn't realize she is a hooker playing a role. Most of them got boyfriends, chulos, western union novios and husbands. So it kinda is unnecessary to get that deep into them on a personal level. Further, a guy should not necessarily expect a hooker to be "getting into you" on a personal level either. She's there to make money, and not every chica has time to market herself and behave as a paid escort.[/QUOTE]Great post Wrx. I shall add it to ROD later. A lot of guys talk of vetting, but as I say to the girls a lot of times when they try to start small talk. Names don't matter. You are here for money and I am here to fuck. We already know that. To me there is no sense in acting like that is not the case and pussyfooting around like you want to know shit that you don't give a damn about (except for maybe fantasy's sake). That is the reason I have no problem walking up to a chick and saying let's go without saying anything else.

As I was saying in the Medellin thread the other day, I also don't act like the girl is doing me a favor by giving me pussy. I see it more as it is her lucky day that I am going to give up these x amount of pesos to her. My attitude is that she needs this money more than I need to fuck her. And I never have to run down a list of things that I need her to do. Unless it is some out of the ordinary stuff like anal, I find that nature always takes its course. If I want to wiz on a broad then I get in the shower with her and just start doing it. None of that asking shit. Just SURPRISE! I am there for fun, not to check off an itemized sex list. I like to play it by ear, always remembering that my mileage may vary.

To each his own but some guys like to have fun, while some other guys choose to simplify it to "The act". Some head straight to "go"and collect while others prefer to run the board and find that more rewarding.

Grabbing the girl and saying "lets go "without the proper vetting, can sometimes lead to misunderstandings latter but I'm sure this has never happened to Mr E.

By vetting them and in essence putting them on your time you have already established that they don't control the situation. Small chit-chat is vital not because you care but because you are testing their patience. One guarantee for a bad session is a girl who is rushing and strictly business.

My trip last week I hung with an ex pro who had grown tired of the business. My trip before last week I always thought she was gorgeous but always in a rush and pushy so I passed. Guys only interested in a quick fuck and no conversation would enjoy this hardcore Chica probably.

Even on whatsup she asked too many damn questions which turned me off and made me call her on it. Well this trip she was total different. She hated the strip and wouldn't go nowhere near it. She stayed at home all day watching TV and living with her sister and the sisters baby. She was no longer pushy or asking questions. She was now making my time a priority and showed extreme patience. In the bedroom I was even more surprised. She was very tight and was uncomfortable on entry. Why doesn't this ex working girl have a big pussy I thought? Maybe it was probably because her sex game before was strictly a hustle for unsuspecting guys in a rush. She would probably rush them into a trap and then make excuses in the bedroom. Once that went sour she would probably act crazy and make a scene because the guy let her control the situation by not vetting her.

Her sex game wasn't mind blowing but she was so pretty that I enjoyed seeing her getting fucked. She hung out exercising extreme patience and just wanted someone who didn't treat her like a trick. I completely enjoyed her company. Money was never discussed beforehand. She came by at 11: am and it was now 6 pm. We fucked 3 times, at a pizza, slept, watched TV, sat on the balcony drinking a presidente and she twerk danced for me to reaggaeton music. I slipped 1500 pesos in her purse while she took a shower getting ready to leave. By properly vetting her and putting her on my time and having her completely understand it was about my schedule, we were able to have an enjoyable day. A guy rushing and not caring would probably get that hardcore girl in her by the tone he set.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916778]Great post Wrx. I shall add it to ROD later. A lot of guys talk of vetting, but as I say to the girls a lot of times when they try to start small talk. Names don't matter. You are here for money and I am here to fuck. We already know that. To me there is no sense in acting like that is not the case and pussyfooting around like you want to know shit that you don't give a damn about (except for maybe fantasy's sake). That is the reason I have no problem walking up to a chick and saying let's go without saying anything else.

As I was saying in the Medellin thread the other day, I also don't act like the girl is doing me a favor by giving me pussy. I see it more as it is her lucky day that I am going to give up these x amount of pesos to her. My attitude is that she needs this money more than I need to fuck her. And I never have to run down a list of things that I need her to do. Unless it is some out of the ordinary stuff like anal, I find that nature always takes its course. If I want to wiz on a broad then I get in the shower with her and just start doing it. None of that asking shit. Just SURPRISE! I am there for fun, not to check off an itemized sex list. I like to play it by ear, always remembering that my mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]That's one way to roll, I guess.

But those of you who are complaining here that Sosua is not what it used to be, and that the chicas have become hardened and impatient, and it's time to move on, might find some of the reasons in posts like this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916778]As I was saying in the Medellin thread the other day, I also don't act like the girl is doing me a favor by giving me pussy. I see it more as it is her lucky day that I am going to give up these x amount of pesos to her. My attitude is that she needs this money more than I need to fuck her. [/QUOTE]Thats how I feel now. I don't go out of my way of being arrogant about it. It's just that I go about the matter like I am just as important as she is. And in this culture like any other, women tend to acknowledge assertiveness and confidence even if they don't respect the individual (because they may see most men as marks renting pussy).



[QUOTE]And I never have to run down a list of things that I need her to do. Unless it is some out of the ordinary stuff like anal, I find that nature always takes its course. If I want to wiz on a broad then I get in the shower with her and just start doing it. None of that asking shit. Just SURPRISE! I am there for fun, not to check off an itemized sex list. I like to play it by ear, always remembering that my mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]I agree, especially if that works for the individual. A vet can roll like that, after so much experience and encounters. I too like things to be spontaneous and natural. However sometimes, a guy needs to know some things up front. Like whether a chica uses a condom for a BJ or not. For me, I absolutely do not want a BJ with a condom. I want to know that before I take her to my spot. Not after. In most instances, I will end it right there.

Makes sense that if a guy wanted to playfully do something with a chica in the shower, he can initiate that, and see the chicas reaction. But that is something you have the control of doing. A guy can't make a chica suck his dick without a condom if she don't want to. If its important, he can attempt to get certain things straight before taking her back to his spot.

When vetting it's about observing her responses that may give clues to her overall attitude and demeaner with you. It's not necessarily about running down a list. I want to give this chica every opportunity for me to bring out something, so I can reject her. Observing her, helps me to discern things about her that may result in me wasting my time and money, After all, the sexual experience starts in the brain. If a guy is turned off by the chica, or senses major attitude or indifference, it's likely to be a waste of time. Anybody can get a sexy chica to come back to his spot. But it's their chemistry together that may make all the difference, between a decent encounter vs a bad one.

Like we both may agree. Our money and time is just as important as theirs. On the other hand, I do mix it up some times. I do not always vett. Sometimes I make quick assessments, take chances and go with the flow.

Sometimes things turned out ok, other experiences helped remind me of why vetting chicas is still a valuable practice. We all would like more natural encounters with these women. But these days, many of these females (locals in general not just women) make it a full time job of catching a mugg napping. They will seize any opportunity they can to exploit a weakness, an uninformed decision, a risky judgement, failing to get something straight, being treated like a stupid tourist, being more impressed by their beauty / sex appeal than paying attention to blatant details.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1916865]That's one way to roll, I guess.

But those of you who are complaining here that Sosua is not what it used to be, and that the chicas have become hardened and impatient, and it's time to move on, might find some of the reasons in posts like this.[/QUOTE]Au contraire mon frere. Because of all the chicks I have hit in Sosua over the last 10 years, I have had a major problem with only 1. And 99% of the time I opt for long time. That 1 outlier chick must have been bipolar or something. Most of the time the chicks are trying to trade numbers and telling me to come see them in Santiago, Moca, or where ever else they may be from. And the most I have ever given a chick is I think 1800 for long time. So however I am rolling, though it may not be your style, I guess it works for the women.

I am reminded of the time I saw (I forgot the poster's name - but knew it was him because he posted about it later) in Merengue wearing a blazer, glasses, and carrying a composition book. He would call these chicks over and show them this book (I guess he had his checklist and was vetting them), and chick after chick would leave in disgust. Finally, I called one of the chicks over and asked why everyone kept leaving the guy. She said because he wants someone to fuck him with a strap-on and they were not with that shit.

I think Jackson finally banned him for writting about wanting/getting chicks to do that. But he may have come out better if he would have just sprung it on chicks in the room and been spontaneous with it rather than trying to plan it out.

Vetting for me is enjoyable. To each his own of course but if ypu only want to bust a nut you can masturbate or buy a sex doll. Some sessions can be that sterile There is a huge contrast banging a chica who want to have sex and one only complying. Casa girls sessions are almost always lame. Most guys are as anxious to the get the next sessions as the girls are to leave. I am not in a rush with the girls and a I prefer chicas who are comfortable.We have the money so we control much of what happens. Some girls cope by having game and will rip unsuspecting guys. No matter how good you think you are eventually you will get one of these bad girls. Not vetting results in more bad sessions. I have a few hard core girls who give me great sessions. They know how fuck and rock your world if motivated.