Manila

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2289492]The quality of EDSA IEC has dropped considerably in recent months due to a dramatic drop-off in patrons.

I understand the owner of the complex is considering changing its usage since many of his tenants can barely afford to pay the rents any more due to depressed incomes and unsustainable costs.[/QUOTE]That jives with what I heard from the Mamasans in January. But there are still cute girls to be found, and there are a lot of Japanese patrons early in the evening, although they mostly walk in, take a look and walk out; seldom spending time or money in the bar. The availability of girls online is a major contributor to the decline, allowing the customer to cut out the middle man. Also, the online girl doesn't have the stringent work requirements that the bars impose. She can wait for a customer at home rather than up on a stage.

But as I said before, I'd rather go to a bar to find a girl as I can observe her behavior and have a conversation. Online girls can be boys, have pics from when they were younger / slimmer, and generally run late for meetings. I prefer predictability and my time in Manila is too short to be wasted waiting for someone.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2289724]
But as I said before, I'd rather go to a bar to find a girl as I can observe her behavior and have a conversation. Online girls can be boys, have pics from when they were younger / slimmer, and generally run late for meetings. I prefer predictability and my time in Manila is too short to be wasted waiting for someone.[/QUOTE]I totally agree and would only add that barhopping, nightclubbing and all around whoring is a lot of fun, but let's face it, The Times They Are a Changin'. It may come a day when we have no choice and have to search online for the better girls. I hope that day is a long way off, but right now, I know fellow punters who are quite proficient at finding sexy girls on the internet. I prefer the bars, Go Go's, & nightclubs and all they entail. Call me old school. LOL. The only advantage I see in the social internet sites is the possiblitiy of finding non pro girls that wouldn't be hanging out in a bar.

Has anyone ever gotten bareback from a girl ordered from an agency like Manila Courtisans?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2289742]I totally agree, but The Times They Are a Changin'. It may come a day when we have no choice and have to search online for the better girls. I hope that day is a long way off, but right now, I know fellow punters who are quite proficient at finding sexy girls on the internet. I prefer the bars, Go Go's, & nightclubs and all they entail. Call me old school. LOL. The only advantage I see in the social internet sites is the possiblitiy of finding non pro girls that wouldn't be hanging out in a bar.[/QUOTE]I've had some luck on SA finding non-pro girls. The girls I've met from DIA in the past were all "simple" - uneducated with poor English skills; IMHO the quality has gone way down in the last few years. I haven't tried the other sites.

EDSA is using Thai logic to raise revenue. If demand goes down, raise prices! I quoted the bar fine increase in one of my posts in January. If I recall is now 3000 (up from 1950) if you don't buy a lady drink (2600 if you do buy a lady drink?). That is less likely to bring customers into bars to spend money, but I understand wanting to get more revenue from the "point and click" Japanese customers. And it is still cheaper than what most SA girls demand.

And there are at least two Hostesses / karaoke bars in EDSA now. I have no idea how they work but buying a girl drinks to sit with me and make awkward conversation (where you from / how old are you / are you married / do you have kids?) does not appeal to me. It must be a Japanese thing.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2289763]Has anyone ever gotten bareback from a girl ordered from an agency like Manila Courtesans?[/QUOTE]Simple answer is yes.

Not sure why one would want to (nowadays), but everyone has their own reasons for doing things.

They all do not only MC (all the services, but not all girls that work there) but all the similar online services.

The format is similar, when you call, the operator will ask you for your selection and package.

What is important is for you to prioritize what is important to you.

If you absolutely must have a particular girl on the website, then just make that clear with the operator first and foremost.

For example; for me I find it strange that with all the time I spend there and all my contacts, I will occasionally use the services because of time.

For some weird dimensional shift the popular online sites are always on time. If for some reason I have to leave for the airport in 90 minutes I can call the service tell them where I am and what I want and need it in house within 45 minutes, and they will deliver.

So if you are looking for BBFS, I would ask the operator for that (not sure if it will work in current time as I do not have first hand experience in doing so. However I would suggest asking for a girl that does BBBJ or BBBJCIM or something like that to increase your odds).

Hey brothers,

Planning my fun mongering splurge trip next week Friday 1 March to Wednesday 6 March.

First ever to Manila. I want to have my load poured our 5-6 times each day. So need to find 20+ pinays in these 120 hrs of my trip!

I have RTFF and understand Kojax, XOXO, EDSA & LA Cafe seems my best bet. Yet I am quite intrigued on how to find really small, slim small be chicks and if can getting young ones would be cherry on the top.

I am a bit crazy when it comes to selection and would rather spend the load with hands then on a not so happening GFE pinay.

Any seniors willing to help this poor soul and make my days happier.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2287597]Why not combine both. I have had plenty of GFEs who are also cheap hookers who fuck everyone (after I leave 😁).

I'm far too much of a realist to think that they were sitting by their smart phone, cross legged, waiting for me to arrive and then will not see any other guys after I leave.

With respect to strategies and what to tell them, just be honest and up front. They have heard every bullshit promise and story from a million mongers before and will find someone who is straight with them refreshing. I've often said it's incredible how accepting the girls are so there is no need to lie to impress them or hide what you consider to be obstacles. They will not be shocked and offended by a guy who has flown into town to meet some nice girls for some fun.

Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2287719]I'm with G. There are numerous approaches, and any gent might try different approaches at different times. I am just looking to get girls to my room for fun (no seducing for me).

Most of the girls are well-aware of the different approaches the gents try, as the girls will roll with the punches and go for multiple approaches. She might be a quickie girl with gents 'P' and 'Q' are in town, while also enjoying being seduced by Mr 'S' (and nobody is shocked later to find out she has a local pinoy - 'My heart beat to him' - This applies to girls both from the bigger city and also the smaller province towns. They can be quite opportunistic, like me. Smile and check that PG.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with both of you. Perhaps I wasn't quite clear. I was separating freelancers / bargirls from "good girls. " Granted, until I meet them in person, I won't be positive which category these girls I'm corresponding with fall into but I do have a decent Spidey sense. I'm just a noob to the Phils so my questions are mostly geared toward the mechanics / logistics of sport fucking in the Phils, not how to play the mongering game. Once there, I'm confident I'll figure things out pretty quick. I've PM'd back and forth with WestCoast1 and other senior mongers on several occasions and have always received quality advice. For those unfamiliar with me, I have an extensive post count in the Atlanta, GA threads under the same handle.

I've been chatting up an alleged virgin in Olongapo for the past few weeks. She's in her early 40's, slender and very plain looking, so on one hand she could easily be a virgin. Says she's never had a foreign boyfriend and had a pinoy boyfriend briefly back in the day. She reminds me so much of my Filipina SO here that her story is plausible. Time will tell. The other woman, age 35, is in Western Visayas in a small town. She tells me she had a relationship with a Canadian dude several years ago and he came to the Phils once or twice to bang her, but then vanished once he returned home. Anywho, I consider these to be "good girls," not pros or even semi-pros.

If the two above don't pan out, I'll probably do the noob thing and hit up the bars on P. Burgos as most suggest here. I'm guessing the best strategy for a threesome is to hit up a bargirl, barfine her and then ask if she has a friend she likes to "work" with? The two ladies above would never do that.

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2290104]First ever to Manila. I want to have my load poured our 5-6 times each day. So need to find 20+ pinays in these 120 hrs of my trip!

I have RTFF and understand Kojax, XOXO, EDSA & LA Cafe seems my best bet. Yet I am quite intrigued on how to find really small, slim small be chicks and if can getting young ones would be cherry on the top.[/QUOTE]No offence but I guarentee that you will run out of stamina before the girl (s) do. Do you want multiple pops with a few girls or do you want to churn through 20+ girls in the time you are in town? Both are certainly possible to source. However, you are unlikely to get true GFE if you are changing girls every 2 hours. Something to consider.

There are a group of spinners in Bottoms that you may want to visit if you are going to Burgos. Each is barely 5' and 80 lb.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2290246]I totally agree with both of you. Perhaps I wasn't quite clear. I was separating freelancers / bargirls from "good girls. " Granted, until I meet them in person, I won't be positive which category these girls I'm corresponding with fall into but I do have a decent Spidey sense. I'm just a noob to the Phils so my questions are mostly geared toward the mechanics / logistics of sport fucking in the Phils......

If the two above don't pan out, I'll probably do the noob thing and hit up the bars on P. Burgos as most suggest here. I'm guessing the best strategy for a threesome is to hit up a bargirl, barfine her and then ask if she has a friend she likes to "work" with? The two ladies above would never do that.[/QUOTE]You've correctly identified that the girls span the full spectrum from "good" to nawty. I often use this to my advantage: if I want someone to drop around at a moment's notice, stick her tongue up my arse for 30 minutes then leave I'll call Girl 1; If the last thing I need is another fuck but would like a nice dinner with some eye candy and conversation I'll call Girl 2. I enjoy making the system work for me.

Moresomes are notorious for false promises and disappointments. Some basics: always have a girl that you like and click with pick other girl (s) that she is comfortable with. Don't tell complete strangers that they are coming home with you to fuck each other. If you have specific requests make them clear before you pay and leave. Be clear in your mind and with the girls what you want. What is a 3 some to you? You fucking 2 girls separately in one night? 2 girls fucking you together? 2 girls fucking each other while you watch or join in? These are all very different and some girls may do one but not the others. Many girls in the bars are gay for pay up to a limit. Of course the holy grail is a couple of truely bi girls that are happy to tear strips of you and each other. These girls will often pick girls who are their partner privately as well. Be wary of subtle clues that the girls may be making promises in the bar that will not be delivered eg overly nawty, too good to be true promises, calling in numerous other girls to join in. These are not good signs.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2290246]I totally agree with both of you. Perhaps I wasn't quite clear. I was separating freelancers / bargirls from "good girls. " Granted, until I meet them in person, I won't be positive which category these girls I'm corresponding with fall into but I do have a decent Spidey sense. I'm just a noob to the Phils so my questions are mostly geared toward the mechanics / logistics of sport fucking in the Phils, not how to play the mongering game. Once there, I'm confident I'll figure things out pretty quick. I've PM'd back and forth with WestCoast1 and other senior mongers on several occasions and have always received quality advice. For those unfamiliar with me, I have an extensive post count in the Atlanta, GA threads under the same handle.

I've been chatting up an alleged virgin in Olongapo for the past few weeks. She's in her early 40's, slender and very plain looking, so on one hand she could easily be a virgin. Says she's never had a foreign boyfriend and had a pinoy boyfriend briefly back in the day. She reminds me so much of my Filipina SO here that her story is plausible. Time will tell. The other woman, age 35, is in Western Visayas in a small town. She tells me she had a relationship with a Canadian dude several years ago and he came to the Phils once or twice to bang her, but then vanished once he returned home. Anywho, I consider these to be "good girls," not pros or even semi-pros.

If the two above don't pan out, I'll probably do the noob thing and hit up the bars on P. Burgos as most suggest here. I'm guessing the best strategy for a threesome is to hit up a bargirl, barfine her and then ask if she has a friend she likes to "work" with? The two ladies above would never do that.[/QUOTE]A 40-something-years-old virgin Filipina living in the notorious brothel seaport of Olongapo! That is the funniest thing that I have ever heard, as Filipinas cannot go 40 days without dick much less 40 years without fucking their favorite trike driver. LOL!

Bro,

I have never done such marathon yet I have my wildest dream is to do 20 but yes I agree in all possibility, I will run out of steam well short.

Honestly, I cannot get my Jhonny to even twitch without a good hot looking & GFE babe. So am sure I will end up with multiple shots over a longer duration (8+hrs) with a really good looking babe rather than ST with single shots.

Spinners: Thanks for a tip. Really appreciate it. If we ever meet, drinks are on me!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2290282]No offence but I guarentee that you will run out of stamina before the girl (s) do. Do you want multiple pops with a few girls or do you want to churn through 20+ girls in the time you are in town? Both are certainly possible to source. However, you are unlikely to get true GFE if you are changing girls every 2 hours. Something to consider.

There are a group of spinners in Bottoms that you may want to visit if you are going to Burgos. Each is barely 5' and 80 lb.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Firstly, the feedback's I've received are all appreciated! I've never meet girls from the net before in the Ph, will do that as recommended. Have tried a few times in other countries without being particularly impressed though.

Further advice on how to meet and have a good time with the younger crowd will be appreciated!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2289091]There are lots of 18+ online. Everything from hoes to girls just looking for experience. Just set your search preferences accordingly.

For 18/19 yos I would definitely meet them on neutral turf first to verify their age and confirm looks etc.

Other options are patrolling shopping centers but that takes time or several posters get older girls to refer friends to their specifications (See Free2's recent posts).

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Transporter,

Call me old fashioned, but my preferred choice would be to go somewhere and meet the girl face to face, hence a bar or similar. However, that said, I'm absolutely willing to meet someone from the internet if tat would be an easier route to find high quality young girls.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2289396]There are many options for what you are seeking. It just depends on how much time you want to put in. Do you want to just go there and select something, or are interested in going someplace and picking up someone?[/QUOTE]

Had a great time in Manila for six days. Stayed closer to airport and initially thought stay would be too dry. But luckily got two friendly drivers (Eric and Geo) who showed me around the city and it's night life everyday. The deal is I would pay them 1000 peso and they will take me around, show me the places, hang out with me and assist in getting contacts and finally drop me back in the hotel after 3 hours. Was able to visit Burgos, LA Cafe, Havana cafe, three casa's, pubs around Edsa and also few local bars near airport road. Was able to understand the places targeting Arabs, Indians, Koreans and locals. Got some gems at extra cost but worth the money. I can say that staying near airport is not that bad if you have time and willing to shell out a bit extra. Having a local with you at times help in exploring new places. Will come soon.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2290398]Further advice on how to meet and have a good time with the younger crowd will be appreciated![/QUOTE]There are two trains of thought regarding meeting online. First is establish contact then (video) chat a couple of weeks before arriving to establish a rapport and intentions. The second is wait until you are in country then make your first contact pointing out that you are in town and would like to meet today / tonight. Personally I use the second as it has a much higher success rate and less drama (requests for money, no shows etc) but YMMV.

Which App to use depends on what you want. Pina Love, Filippino Cupid and Date is Asia are the first rung. Lots of average girls in your age range and the odd diamond in the rough with looks, smarts and low maintenance. Tinder has more lookers and Seeking Arrangement has more smarts. Girls from both of these know their worth and will expect higher compensation.

I'd recommend reading through the Pen Pal forum as there is lots of info there on how to get the best from the apps and avoid the main pit falls.

Enjoy. G.

I was chatting on DIA with a very attractive girl who tells me she works at kumo KTV bar remedios street in pasig, of course she invited me to partake of her and drinks in the VIP room and to please come. I have never been in one of these japanese KTV places before. Does anyone have experiences they want to share with me in forum or PM while I decide to do it or not. It sounds like it could be crazy expensive. But she looked so good. OMG.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2290472]I was chatting on DIA with a very attractive girl who tells me she works at kumo KTV bar remedios street in pasig, of course she invited me to partake of her and drinks in the VIP room and to please come. I have never been in one of these japanese KTV places before. Does anyone have experiences they want to share with me in forum or PM while I decide to do it or not. It sounds like it could be crazy expensive. But she looked so good. OMG.[/QUOTE]Expect high hourly rates from the girls to join you, very high FS prices and insane LD costs. A night's drinking and fun will be eye watering.

I would be concerned that the best girls (and they will be stunning) would not even go with a Westerner if the place is indeed Japanese focused. Meeting her after work or on a day off seems much more enjoyable and affordable.

Full disclosure: my experience in Manila is very old. However, I recently paid 5 k for onsite FS and 750 p LDs (not a typo) in Davao. I forget the hourly rate to talk only. Keep in mind girls are 2 k elsewhere in town so apply the same markup to Manila prices to get an idea of costs.

See the PG for details:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2148861]I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.[/QUOTE]

I am a relative newbie to Manila but will be going there every other month starting this April. I will be living in a short term rental arranged by my firm so I cannot bring ladies there. While I am willing to learn what websites help you find in-calls, it does not sound like the escort websites are developed as in Singapore or the many BKK spas, BJ bars, and brothels are as easy to find in Manila. What I want is the ability to stop in somewhere, enjoy a couple big beers to start. I am happy to buy a girl drink and then take her to a back room like in Mexico City's Zona Rosa. Is this an option? I have seen reports of ghetto brothels like in Angeles side streets (under bridges). However, I would stand out way too much walking around trying to find such places. While a high end brothel would be a less regular treat, I am looking for a place with a girl and a private room where I can come and go in less than an hour. I know we cannot recommend places but would value any general information or pointing me to reviews of distinction where I can start developing potential regular haunts!

[QUOTE=Ogman;2290523]I am a relative newbie to Manila but will be going there every other month starting this April. I will be living in a short term rental arranged by my firm so I cannot bring ladies there. While I am willing to learn what websites help you find in-calls, it does not sound like the escort websites are developed as in Singapore or the many BKK spas, BJ bars, and brothels are as easy to find in Manila. What I want is the ability to stop in somewhere, enjoy a couple big beers to start. I am happy to buy a girl drink and then take her to a back room like in Mexico City's Zona Rosa. Is this an option? I have seen reports of ghetto brothels like in Angeles side streets (under bridges). However, I would stand out way too much walking around trying to find such places. While a high end brothel would be a less regular treat, I am looking for a place with a girl and a private room where I can come and go in less than an hour. I know we cannot recommend places but would value any general information or pointing me to reviews of distinction where I can start developing potential regular haunts![/QUOTE]There are plenty of short term hotels where you can pay by the hour. I'm not aware of any establishments in Manila that have in-house service as prostitution is illegal in the Philippines, and sex trafficking is even more illegal. Do a search for a Soho hotel in the area where you are hunting, they have a good reputation. There is one close to EDSA Entertainment in Pasay. I've never had the need to use a ST hotel so I can't provide much more info.

Edit: I forgot massage parlours, which you may be interested in. Air Force One in Manila and Kremlin in QC can give you what you want.

Got here and as usual the airport was a mess. I walked over to the yellow taxi line and it was 3 rows deep and no taxis in sight. Luckily the Resorts World bus was there. I went to the counter and asked if the bus was going to the Marriott. He said it leaves in 5 minutes. I was the only one in the bus. The driver dropped me off at the Marriott and I summoned a Grab.

No Grabs available. Besides that, it was giving a price of 377. I walked out to the street and saw someone getting out of a white taxi. I told him I was going to Ermita. Traffic was really bad, but despite that, the meter read 151 when I reached my hotel. I gave him 200. That is the cheapest I have ever paid. I don't know who mentioned that Resorts World shuttle years ago but it has really been a life saver lately.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2290531]There are plenty of short term hotels where you can pay by the hour. SNIP Do a search for a Soho hotel in the area where you are hunting, they have a good reputation. There is one close to EDSA Entertainment in Pasay. I've never had the need to use a ST hotel so I can't provide much more info.[/QUOTE]Also Eurohotel has a ST rate. And you might want to read back a few weeks ago some gents were talking about taking SW in the Divisoria / Quiapo area to ST places.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2290551]Got here and as usual the airport was a mess. [/QUOTE]I have been arranging almost all of my inbound and outbound NAIA flights to land or depart on Sundays. Traffic is very light. Once I found an $877 USD flight on Korean Airlines across the pond, arriving Sunday late morning. Another flight on China Southern was $624, arriving Monday late morning. Given: $250 price difference; Sunday traffic good; Monday traffic bad; and better service and much better seat pitch on KAL, the no-brainer for me was KAL (could be different for other gents).

In fact I have been arranging all of my flights within Phils for Sundays. A trip might look like: Long-bow flight arrives NAIA on a Sunday, stay 2 weeks Manila. Depart for Butuan on a Sunday, stay 2 weeks Mindanao. End that leg by departing from Surigao on Sunday for Cebu. Stay 2 weeks in Cebu and depart on Sunday for Manila. Spend 1 week Manila and depart for home on a Sunday. Oh my, traveling to / from airports (esp Manila / Cebu) on Sunday is so much simpler considering troppik. Not only is traffic better in those cities, there seem to be plenty of taxi's.

Pamper yourself a bit.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2290563].............. Another flight on China Southern was $624, arriving Monday late morning..................[/QUOTE]That's a good price. In my last trip to the Philippines in 2007 I paid $600 SFO - MNL return on Philippines Airlines and I thought that it was good then.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2290563]Another flight on China Southern was $624, arriving Monday late morning.[/QUOTE]How would you rate your overall experiences flying airlines based in the PROC? Of the big 4 (Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan), I have heard the best things about Hainan, and more recently about China Southern. I have not heard such great things about Air China or China Eastern. There's also China Airlines by the way, which is based in the ROC (Taiwan).

[QUOTE=Ogman;2290523]I am a relative newbie to Manila but will be going there every other month starting this April. I will be living in a short term rental arranged by my firm so I cannot bring ladies there. While I am willing to learn what websites help you find in-calls, it does not sound like the escort websites are developed as in Singapore or the many BKK spas, BJ bars, and brothels are as easy to find in Manila. What I want is the ability to stop in somewhere, enjoy a couple big beers to start. I am happy to buy a girl drink and then take her to a back room like in Mexico City's Zona Rosa. Is this an option? I have seen reports of ghetto brothels like in Angeles side streets (under bridges). However, I would stand out way too much walking around trying to find such places. While a high end brothel would be a less regular treat, I am looking for a place with a girl and a private room where I can come and go in less than an hour. I know we cannot recommend places but would value any general information or pointing me to reviews of distinction where I can start developing potential regular haunts![/QUOTE]Do you know the location of your apartmentment?

Will a spa work for you?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2290551]Got here and as usual the airport was a mess. I walked over to the yellow taxi line and it was 3 rows deep and no taxis in sight. Luckily the Resorts World bus was there. I went to the counter and asked if the bus was going to the Marriott. He said it leaves in 5 minutes. I was the only one in the bus. The driver dropped me off at the Marriott and I summoned a Grab.

No Grabs available. Besides that, it was giving a price of 377. I walked out to the street and saw someone getting out of a white taxi. I told him I was going to Ermita. Traffic was really bad, but despite that, the meter read 151 when I reached my hotel. I gave him 200. That is the cheapest I have ever paid. I don't know who mentioned that Resorts World shuttle years ago but it has really been a life saver lately.[/QUOTE]I had written in the past about using the Resort World shuttle. I usually get off at the first stop which is Belmont Hotel. Sometimes there are taxis lined up there. During peak hours there are no taxis lined up. I tip the guard 50 pesos and he will run out to the main street and literally commander a taxi. I have seen him hop in a reluctant taxi and command him to the hotel.

BTW, I learned about the Resort World shuttle from other posters here.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2290472]I was chatting on DIA with a very attractive girl who tells me she works at kumo KTV bar remedios street in pasig, of course she invited me to partake of her and drinks in the VIP room and to please come. I have never been in one of these japanese KTV places before. Does anyone have experiences they want to share with me in forum or PM while I decide to do it or not. It sounds like it could be crazy expensive. But she looked so good. OMG.[/QUOTE]I can see kuma KTV right from my condo window, however I cannot say that I have been in that exact KTV. I have been to quite a few KTV places in malate, but not kuma.

There are many different formats (pricing structures) of KTV's, and it differs from what is provided inside. The good thing is that you can just ask your girl, and she will tell you. If not you can do a precheck, and just go there unannounced. Just walk casually by, and stop and look in. Once you do that they will immediately try to get you to go in showing you pictures, of what they have to offer. You can ask them exactly what the cost is per hour and what you will receive. Although prices differ among all the KTV's, the one thing I know that is common is that they charge you by time (hour). So you can find out exactly how much it will cost you for 1 hour.

I cannot give you recent pricing, as the last time I was in a KTV in malate was 2018 and it was 600 per person per hour all you can drink. If you want to buy a girl a drink (to come sit with you) it was 350. But that was a straight forward KTV place that charged you by the hour and all drinks were included, and you did not have to buy any girl time. Some KTV's put the girl time charge into the hourly rate, so it will be higher (these places just rotate your company) and you need to watch the drinks being served at your table, as it adds up fast.

KTV joints are fun because they have super good looking girls there, but if you work out a deal to get the girl out she finishes work at 3 am or 4 am, its a long time to wait.

Keep in mind that these KTV's are modeled after Japan KTV's not China KTV's. So most of the girls do not go out (you can check with the senior girl there and she will tell you who will and won't go out). The KTV bars and the girls money are made from the drinks.

You might be able to get a feel for the girl you are chatting with, just tell her you have never been to a KTV before, and don't know anything about it and ask her how much money you should bring to spend 1 or 2 hours with her.

[QUOTE=JayBird;2290400]Transporter,

Call me old fashioned, but my preferred choice would be to go somewhere and meet the girl face to face, hence a bar or similar. However, that said, I'm absolutely willing to meet someone from the internet if tat would be an easier route to find high quality young girls.[/QUOTE]Since you are familiar with LA Cafe, you can vary the times that you visit there, as different crowds work different shifts. When I use to go there, I use to prefer the "day shift" girls as many of these girls use to tell their families that they worked regular jobs, and work during normal day hours at LA Cafe. Weekend days sometimes you can find new ones that try out the scene for the first time (they come with friends and its the only time that their parents can watch their kid (s)).

Casa would also be a good place to go also. There are two types of casa, the first is boarding only and you go there to select and take out. The second is a bar that boards girls and you can go there and sit, talk, drink, and all the otherstuff and of course take out. These places exist all over, but you may need someone to show them to you when you first start. Although it may be the most expensive option, it will be the best time saving, just jump in a taxi local and tell him to take you to a casa (be specific in the range, say within 10 minutes). Some taxis know a lot of them, and some have no idea what you are talking about. Just keep trying taxis until you find a knowledgeable one. If you find a good driver, take his number, and you can hire him to be your on call personal driver. Keep in mind that all taxi drivers will want to tell you that they know of casa as they make a cut for bringing a customer to the casa.

Another option is havana cafe (action starts later in the evening, so don't go to early). It may not be as good as it was before they moved to greenbelt, but it is still interesting. It may be discouraging at first, as there are a lot of ladyboys there but you can use that to your advantage. They are there every night, and know a lot of people. Just be respectful, act innocent and take a table next to a friendly looking ladyboy. Have your meal and or drinks and start up a conversation with the ladyboy (s). Once they know you are looking for female company you are good to go. Be respectful, if you respect them, they will do the same. Make friends with them, and they can help you sort through the many choices there. I have many a times bought drinks and had fun talking to ladyboys at havana. You can even tip them to help you find acceptable female company there.

Being "old fashion" myself, my current prefered methods are facebook, wechat, and the business card (paper with name and number). Facebook, and wechat are self explanatory, but if you need more details you can pm me. The business card method depends on if you already have a local PI number you can have "fake" cards pre printed at home before you go. If not you can have them made for you all over PI, I use to go to quiapo and get them done, takes an hour. If you already have a local number you can have them done at home which is better as the selection and quality is a lot better, plus you can do research and make a really good fake. If not just a regular piece of paper with your name and number on it works great Make sure to have a few with you at all times. If you see a girl you like at working somewhere (my favorite), or at the mall, church, or at a club or anywhere, just slip her your paper. If she is interested she will text you, just be careful how many you hand out, as it will be difficult to remember who the girl was if you hand out a lot and she texts you the next day.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2290642]Clear out your PM's.[/QUOTE]Clear out your PM's.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2290594]That's a good price. In my last trip to the Philippines in 2007 I paid $600 SFO - MNL return on Philippines Airlines and I thought that it was good then.[/QUOTE]Time of year, and closeness to departure date when booking make the difference. Flying in / out of Phils in December / January during the Christmas holidays is most expensive (have had trouble finding under $1700 then). Flying in the off-peak times can easily find a number of airlines in the $600-$800 range, and that is when those ticket prices occurred. Your 2007 flight was a *long* time ago. Your SFO / LAX. MNL return nonstop is still around on PAL, but at considerably higher prices. You can still find those prices in the off-season with several of the PROC airlines. Previously, until a few years ago, flying PAL internationally was the bottom of the barrel -- service and food onboard was terrible, the aircraft were non-amenitied, and the checkin process was rough. Things have improved.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2290611]How would you rate your overall experiences flying airlines based in the PROC? Of the big 4 (Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan), I have heard the best things about Hainan, and more recently about China Southern. I have not heard such great things about Air China or China Eastern. There's also China Airlines by the way, which is based in the ROC (Taiwan).[/QUOTE]Have flown China Eastern, Southern, and Air China. All appear to be more on the order of budget airlines. Aircraft appear to be low-amenitied. For example, on seatguru dot com, you will find those aircraft might not have a power connection for each seat for your device. Seat pitch (distance to the next seat in front of yours in inches, often 30 or 31 inches) and width will be the smallest possible. Compare with Korean Airlines 34" seat pitch for their A380 fleet, and overall better cabin service crews.

[QUOTE=Ogman;2290523]I am a relative newbie to Manila but will be going there every other month starting this April. I will be living in a short term rental arranged by my firm so I cannot bring ladies there. While I am willing to learn what websites help you find in-calls, it does not sound like the escort websites are developed as in Singapore or the many BKK spas, BJ bars, and brothels are as easy to find in Manila. What I want is the ability to stop in somewhere, enjoy a couple big beers to start. I am happy to buy a girl drink and then take her to a back room like in Mexico City's Zona Rosa. Is this an option? I have seen reports of ghetto brothels like in Angeles side streets (under bridges). However, I would stand out way too much walking around trying to find such places. While a high end brothel would be a less regular treat, I am looking for a place with a girl and a private room where I can come and go in less than an hour. I know we cannot recommend places but would value any general information or pointing me to reviews of distinction where I can start developing potential regular haunts![/QUOTE]The thing about Manila is that is doesn't really have a Sauna or FKK setup that I'm aware of.

Basically to get on-site FS there are two options. Spas and KTVs, there are a few notable places that run both a SPA and a KTV at the same place those are Kremlin & Classmate in Quezon City in front of Fisher mall, Air force 1 and Flight 168 in Paranaque not too far from NAIA and there are a few more like this setup. The KTV part of the busibess will only be open at nights while the Spa will also run all day. The spa is a fishbowl, no beer, point and click, pick a chick fuck her for an hour and leave. The KTV is where things get really expensive, really beautiful girls on stage, buy them drinks, if it's your thing take them to a private room and sing with them. If you build enough of a rapport, some of them may fuck you in one of the adjacent spa rooms. These tend to become VERY expensive nights (between 10-20 k depending on how much everyone is drinking and how long the foreplay in the KTV takes, abd there's a catch as the longer the time in KTV, the better the chances she'll agree to join in the spa).

There are also many KTVs on Roxas blvd that mainly attract Filipinos. Girls will dance topless on stage, again youll pay for drinks and an hourly rate for every girl that joins your table. They do have private FKK rooms in which you can fuck a dancer on premise, those don't have beds but the staff are nice and will bring a couple of sofas together expecting a tip. I have found one of the sexiest girls I've been with in a KTV on Roxas. The mama initially quoted me 7 k for FS after already having a pretty large bill for drinks, I laughed at her face, we settled for 2. 5 k.

I don't know of other on-premise options however any bar girl, FL or Casa girl will go to a short time hotel with no issues.

Enjoy Manila!

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2290702]I don't know of other on-premise options however any bar girl, FL or Casa girl will go to a short time hotel with no issues.

Enjoy Manila![/QUOTE]There are also the bars on Burgos that allow onsite BBBJ or even FS.

I'd agree that the "where to go" question is pretty irrelevant as regardless of where the girl is from, she will know of nearby ST hotels.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2290710]There are also the bars on Burgos that allow onsite BBBJ or even FS.

I'd agree that the "where to go" question is pretty irrelevant as regardless of where the girl is from, she will know of nearby ST hotels.[/QUOTE]I think the only bar on Burgos that I got suggested to "go upstairs" in was Moulin Rouge and that was 3 or 4 years ago. Do you have information of other bars that offer on premise service?

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2290717]I think the only bar on Burgos that I got suggested to "go upstairs" in was Moulin Rouge and that was 3 or 4 years ago. Do you have information of other bars that offer on premise service?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I'm hopeless at remembering names.

Walking away from Makati Ave past Bottoms you have 3 bars side by side on the other side of the road. I had a double BJ in one of those. They were adamant that no FS available on site. Great BJ but the girls were not stunners. Maybe Rascals but don't quote me. Look for a glass booth off to the left as you enter the bar.

Continuing down past Ringside, on the other side of the road, opposite the Korean Church is a dark and dingy bar that offers FS behind curtains. Again the girls were nothing special looks wise.

Sorry I cant be more specific.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2290731]Sorry, I'm hopeless at remembering names.Continuing down past Ringside, on the other side of the road, opposite the Korean Church is a dark and dingy bar that offers FS behind curtains. Again the girls were nothing special looks wise.[/QUOTE]That bar is called Wowowow.

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2290104]Hey brothers,

Planning my fun mongering splurge trip next week Friday 1 March to Wednesday 6 March.

First ever to Manila. I want to have my load poured our 5-6 times each day. So need to find 20+ pinays in these 120 hrs of my trip![/QUOTE]I wish you nothing but good luck! But that sounds like a logistical nightmare to achieve. IMO it takes many trips under your belt with established contacts to even get close to be successful with that plan considering the trappic and size of Manila and the relentless unreliability and lateness of the pinay species.

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2290104]Hey brothers,

Planning my fun mongering splurge trip next week Friday 1 March to Wednesday 6 March.

First ever to Manila. I want to have my load poured our 5-6 times each day. So need to find 20+ pinays in these 120 hrs of my trip!

I have RTFF and understand Kojax, XOXO, EDSA & LA Cafe seems my best bet. Yet I am quite intrigued on how to find really small, slim small be chicks and if can getting young ones would be cherry on the top.

I am a bit crazy when it comes to selection and would rather spend the load with hands then on a not so happening GFE pinay.

Any seniors willing to help this poor soul and make my days happier.[/QUOTE]Age old equation. Time and money. If you have the money, then I am sure it can be done in a timely manner.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2290717]I think the only bar on Burgos that I got suggested to "go upstairs" in was Moulin Rouge and that was 3 or 4 years ago. Do you have information of other bars that offer on premise service?[/QUOTE]Dimples, located next door to Go Bananas (GB is on the corner of Burgos / Kalayaan). Inside and next to the wet bar are two long skinny tables, with stools alongside each table. Sitting at those tables, turned 90 degrees to face the stage, or 90 degrees opposite to face the CR in the back. Orient towards the back and the CR. Opposite the CR is a long padded bench in a very dark area. That's the #spewforthbeej area. Usually p1000 talks a girl into some adult fun time there. Errrr. . . So I'm told.

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2290104]Hey brothers,

Planning my fun mongering splurge trip next week Friday 1 March to Wednesday 6 March.

First ever to Manila. I want to have my load poured our 5-6 times each day. So need to find 20+ pinays in these 120 hrs of my trip!

I have RTFF and understand Kojax, XOXO, EDSA & LA Cafe seems my best bet. Yet I am quite intrigued on how to find really small, slim small be chicks and if can getting young ones would be cherry on the top.

I am a bit crazy when it comes to selection and would rather spend the load with hands then on a not so happening GFE pinay.

Any seniors willing to help this poor soul and make my days happier.[/QUOTE]You might want to pm me for this one.

[QUOTE=Si6798;2290430]Had a great time in Manila for six days. Stayed closer to airport and initially thought stay would be too dry. But luckily got two friendly drivers (Eric and Geo) who showed me around the city and it's night life everyday. The deal is I would pay them 1000 peso and they will take me around, show me the places, hang out with me and assist in getting contacts and finally drop me back in the hotel after 3 hours. Was able to visit Burgos, LA Cafe, Havana cafe, three casa's, pubs around Edsa and also few local bars near airport road. Was able to understand the places targeting Arabs, Indians, Koreans and locals. Got some gems at extra cost but worth the money. I can say that staying near airport is not that bad if you have time and willing to shell out a bit extra. Having a local with you at times help in exploring new places. Will come soon.[/QUOTE]Nice post. Always a good idea to have a local dude working on your behalf. That was my strategy in Korea to either get into place I normally couldn't or get Korean girls that were normally off limits to foreigners.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2290611]How would you rate your overall experiences flying airlines based in the PROC? Of the big 4 (Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan), I have heard the best things about Hainan, and more recently about China Southern. I have not heard such great things about Air China or China Eastern. There's also China Airlines by the way, which is based in the ROC (Taiwan).[/QUOTE]I love Korean Air and always heard bad things about Chinese Airlines. That said, read something the other day that at least some flights on China Eastern are operated by Delta. Not sure if that means the flight is on a Delta-maintained plane or what. Anyone know? When I Google the best airlines, they're usually European. The exception is Qatar Airways.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2290642]
Being "old fashion" myself, my current prefered methods are facebook, wechat, and the business card (paper with name and number).[/QUOTE]How popular is Wechat in the Phils? I used to use it to chat with Chinese only.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291152]I love Korean Air and always heard bad things about Chinese Airlines. That said, read something the other day that at least some flights on China Eastern are operated by Delta. Not sure if that means the flight is on a Delta-maintained plane or what. Anyone know? When I Google the best airlines, they're usually European. The exception is Qatar Airways.[/QUOTE]Unless the European airlines have changed recently they are far from the best. The middle East Airlines and the larger Asian airlines are generally better. I have flown Air China a bit. They are not great but if you have Star Gold status you will often get seated in premium economy. Korean, Asiana, Singapore, Thai all have good planes and service. I have only flown China Southern internally and was pleasantly surprised by the room and quality of aircraft.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291152]I love Korean Air and always heard bad things about Chinese Airlines. That said, read something the other day that at least some flights on China Eastern are operated by Delta. Not sure if that means the flight is on a Delta-maintained plane or what. Anyone know? When I Google the best airlines, they're usually European. The exception is Qatar Airways.[/QUOTE]

I almost fly EVA Air on flights from Asia to North America and Europe, and generally on flights within Asia. They are quite good - especially the seat comfort in their Elite/Premium Economy class and their Royal Laurel/Business class. I can't think of any negative experience in 12+ years of flying with them. Sometimes will fly Air China between HKG and PEK. They have also been very nice flights typically. The last flight from PEK back to HKG, they upgraded me to Business Class and the cabin steward apologized a few times for the delay and rough flight (a tropical storm was passing near HKG at the time) as if he had any influence over delays and turbulence. He was quite personable and enjoyed chatting with him during the flight.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291152]I love Korean Air and always heard bad things about Chinese Airlines. That said, read something the other day that at least some flights on China Eastern are operated by Delta. Not sure if that means the flight is on a Delta-maintained plane or what. Anyone know? When I Google the best airlines, they're usually European. The exception is Qatar Airways.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] SkyTrax is the authority on airline ratings, and 7 of their top 10 are based in Asia! That would be 9 out of the top 10 if you want to include the Middle East as part of Asia, which technically it is: [URL]https://www.worldairlineawards.com/[/URL]. I don't know where you've been Googling, but I recommend everybody to stick with the leader.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291156]How popular is Wechat in the Phils? I used to use it to chat with Chinese only.[/QUOTE]It is widely used by girls in Manila. Lot of lady boys and please insist on video chat prior to finalising your meeting. Otherwise you will get 10-15 ladies available most of the times.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291152]I love Korean Air and always heard bad things about Chinese Airlines. That said, read something the other day that at least some flights on China Eastern are operated by Delta. Not sure if that means the flight is on a Delta-maintained plane or what. Anyone know? When I Google the best airlines, they're usually European. The exception is Qatar Airways.[/QUOTE]I've got an 'in' to the industry and have never heard of Delta planes being wet-leased to China Eastern. They do, however, code share. So you might buy a ticket on China Southern and find part of the trip is on a Delta plane. Vice versa as well.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291156]How popular is Wechat in the Phils? I used to use it to chat with Chinese only.[/QUOTE]WeChat is useful in Ph due to it's Nearby feature allowing you to make contact and be contacted by geographically close opportunity targets.

For general goto p-2-p contact, the many girls seem to have Viber.

I recently used WeChat in regional United Kingdom and it is dead.

BD.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291156]How popular is Wechat in the Phils? I used to use it to chat with Chinese only.[/QUOTE]Wechat is "awesome".

Just as long as you are prepared to work through the baklas.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2291512]WeChat is useful in Ph due to it's Nearby feature allowing you to make contact and be contacted by geographically close opportunity targets.

For general goto p-2-p contact, the many girls seem to have Viber.

I recently used WeChat in regional United Kingdom and it is dead.

BD.[/QUOTE]I see. Thanks for the info. I used it one time to chat with a Chinese woman, but that fell apart. BTW, I have an LG G6 Android phone. If I use it in the Phils, would I need a different SIM card or other "adjustments?

[QUOTE=Transporter;2291518]Wechat is "awesome".

Just as long as you are prepared to work through the baklas.[/QUOTE]Baklas? Does that mean bullshit or something similar?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2291263][blue][/blue] SkyTrax is the authority on airline ratings, and 7 of their top 10 are based in Asia! That would be 9 out of the top 10 if you want to include the Middle East as part of Asia, which technically it is: [URL]https://www.worldairlineawards.com/[/URL]. I don't know where you've been Googling, but I recommend everybody to stick with the leader.[/QUOTE]Cool. Had never heard of Skytrax but I'm on it now.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291587]Baklas? Does that mean bullshit or something similar?[/QUOTE]"Bakla" is tagalog for "ladyboy" or "gay".

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291586]I see. Thanks for the info. I used it one time to chat with a Chinese woman, but that fell apart. BTW, I have an LG G6 Android phone. If I use it in the Phils, would I need a different SIM card or other "adjustments?[/QUOTE]Wifi work for Wechat.

Hey bro,

Your inbox is full. Can't PM you.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2291031]You might want to pm me for this one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291586]I see. Thanks for the info. I used it one time to chat with a Chinese woman, but that fell apart. BTW, I have an LG G6 Android phone. If I use it in the Phils, would I need a different SIM card or other "adjustments?[/QUOTE]Check that your phone is not locked to your usual carrier. You will need to be able to insert a Philippines SIM card and carrier settings. WiFi will work fine.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2291612]Wifi work for Wechat.[/QUOTE]Wifi will work fine, but it would be better to use 4 G or LTE and open your location setting so that you can take full advantage of wechat everywhere you go.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2291744]Check that your phone is not locked to your usual carrier. You will need to be able to insert a Philippines SIM card and carrier settings. WiFi will work fine.[/QUOTE]1. Make sure your CP is unlocked.

2. Make sure your CP works on GSM network.

3. You will need Philippine SIM card to text others in Philippines.

Any questions on the above can be answered by Mr. Google.

Kojax: Disappointed after all the hype. Girls are fine but don't seem any better than other comparable places. Staff service wasn't good at all so I felt no need to spend any more money here and left without taking anyone.

XOXO: Much better attitudes, but very busy on a weekday. Spent a fair bit on drinks but didn't take anyone as I wasn't feeling up to it.

Plan be: Much friendlier than Kojax. Some decent looking girls working. Took a 21 year old One for the evening that I really liked for 3.5 k plus 4 k tip. Enjoyable.

EDSA: Cheaper than the others excluding tip. Location is a pain to get to. A lot quieter than P Burgos and you will get a lot more attention from everyone. Girls are decent but are a little older and many are less desirable (smokers, tattoos, more likely to have children). Many girls expect a bit more generosity due to all the Japanese patrons. Found an okay 27 year old Girl for 2.5 k plus 5 k tip.

Manila Courtesans: Good alternative if traffic is terrible or you don't feel like drinking. Not that much more expensive considering the convenience.

Overall, the girls in Angeles were more consistent and the overall nightlife scene is just more enjoyable. It's also very cheap at 3.5 k + optional tip. The Dollhouse group bars were my favorite. High Society is also good but the action starts way too late for my schedule. It's just a shame that hotels in Manila are light years better. ABC hotel didn't impress me and the prices are higher than Manila considering the quality.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2291744]Check that your phone is not locked to your usual carrier. You will need to be able to insert a Philippines SIM card and carrier settings. WiFi will work fine.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Are SIM cards easy to find for my LG G6 phone in Manila? Cost?

[QUOTE=DarkHeli;2291874]

Manila Courtesans: Good alternative if traffic is terrible or you don't feel like drinking. Not that much more expensive considering the convenience.

[/QUOTE]What is Manila Courtesans? An agency?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291979]Thanks. Are SIM cards easy to find for my LG G6 phone in Manila? Cost?[/QUOTE]I am not familiar with the LG G6 but if it has a SIM card on GSM and is not locked then you are good to go. Everywhere sells them, I usually just grab them at a convenience store like 7 11. Also buy a load card and if not busy ask the attendant to set it up for you. If it is busy slide them, a small note and ask if they can set it up for you if you don't have confidence. If she is pretty ask her to put her number in also.

Almost everywhere sells SIM cards however not everywhere will have the carrier of your choice or the SIM card size that your phone takes.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2291981]What is Manila Courtesans? An agency?[/QUOTE]One of the many online agencies.

You can select from pics online and see the pricing.

Keep in mind there is a little upsell in the room, but just consider that the tip.

If your choices are Burgos or the complex, then agencies will be cheaper.

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2291671]Hey bro,

Your inbox is full. Can't PM you.[/QUOTE]Just cleaned it.

I have been using DIA and have had very good success. I am a very old guy so I prefer a more mature girl with nice body from 29 to 40 yo, they are easy to find, cheap, and oh so willing, Unfortunately some fall in love after second date because an old western guy is the holy grail of catches for them so tears at end but I always stress to them ahead of time that I am not looking for a wife or serious relationship after an earlier misadventure in which I was not clear left me feeling guilty. I think I will only have a single date night from now on to avoid any misconceptions that I might care for her besides what we do. One came over 5 hour trip stayed two days, she has a very good job and refused any money from me, she left in tears and says she will be celibate from now on, Of course there are exceptions, like the lady security guard who will come anytime I want her after her work. She will get naked on her knees in front of my chair and suck and lick my cock while I use my laptop and phone for as long as I want. I say I am ready now and she is quickly up on the bed spread for me or more sucking if I want. After I finish cip (yes, Raw dog) I give her 2000 and away she goes so happy and smiling.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2292034]After I finish cip (yes, Raw dog) I give her 2000 and away she goes so happy and smiling.[/QUOTE]Unless you've been snipped, don't go wandering around Tondo in 9 months time. A little bastard fork truck will be demanding his US passport.

Seriously, nice report. It's as if us old cunts have new lease of life when we land at NAIA for a mongering run.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2292034]I have been using DIA and have had very good success. I am a very old guy so I prefer a more mature girl with nice body from 29 to 40 yo, they are easy to find, cheap, and oh so willing, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2292105]Seriously, nice report. It's as if us old cunts have new lease of life when we land at NAIA for a mongering run.[/QUOTE]You do realise while you old farts are out rooting everything that walks young blokes are complaining that the PI has gone to shit and it's impossible to find a good root.

Difference of opinion or cause and effect. . . ? LOL.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292107]You do realise while you old farts are out rooting everything that walks [/QUOTE]Hey, I resemble that remark. Actually I am picky, not chubby or fat, have 2 arms and 2 legs, and sorta pretty with a submissive streak. I guess that's about it. BTW I had a vasectomy years ago so worries there. ].

FT.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2292034]....................... She will get naked on her knees in front of my chair and suck and lick my cock while I use my laptop and phone for as long as I want. ..................[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a GF I had many moons ago, she would suck me dry while I watched porn on the computer. Ahhh good days before my full fledged mongering days.

[QUOTE=DarkHeli;2291874]Kojax: Disappointed after all the hype. Girls are fine but don't seem any better than other comparable places. Staff service wasn't good at all so I felt no need to spend any more money here and left without taking anyone. XOXO: Much better attitudes, but very busy on a weekday. Spent a fair bit on drinks but didn't take anyone as I wasn't feeling up to it. PlanB: Much friendlier than Kojax. Some decent looking girls working. Took a 21 year old One for the evening that I really liked for 3.5 k plus 4 k tip. Enjoyable. ABC hotel didn't impress me and the prices are higher than Manila considering the quality.[/QUOTE]I find this funny since the same staff that works at Kojax (open Thursday thru Saturdays for sure) also works at XOXO LOL! Same with the girls LOLOLOL! Same ones! The only thing is that the real hotties don't show up until like Friday and Saturday nights at Kojax, which is the upstairs bar. Maybe you caught them when folks were in a bad mood? I would say that on most days, I would rank PlanB higher, but Kojax absolutely took it up another notch optics-wise on the weekends. And, I won't say that ABC is the best hotel in the world, but I do think it's one of the two best in Angeles City. Nice staff, nice rooms in the new wing that aren't too gaudy (IMO), decent food for AC, rooftop pool, walking distance to all the action if you're in good enough shape. A good place to stay in AC versus one of the many, many dumps you will find there.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2291992]One of the many online agencies.

You can select from pics online and see the pricing.

Keep in mind there is a little upsell in the room, but just consider that the tip.

If your choices are Burgos or the complex, then agencies will be cheaper.[/QUOTE]Googled it and saw Camille on the site. Wow, 4500 pesos plus 1000 for transportation? Thought the Phils was cheaper than that.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2292034]I have been using DIA and have had very good success. I am a very old guy so I prefer a more mature girl with nice body from 29 to 40 yo, they are easy to find, cheap, and oh so willing, Unfortunately some fall in love after second date because an old western guy is the holy grail of catches for them so tears at end but I always stress to them ahead of time that I am not looking for a wife or serious relationship after an earlier misadventure in which I was not clear left me feeling guilty. [/QUOTE]Are these ladies "falling in love" in hopes for a green card or?

[QUOTE=Transporter;2291991]I am not familiar with the LG G6 but if it has a SIM card on GSM and is not locked then you are good to go. Everywhere sells them, I usually just grab them at a convenience store like 7 11. Also buy a load card and if not busy ask the attendant to set it up for you. If it is busy slide them, a small note and ask if they can set it up for you if you don't have confidence. If she is pretty ask her to put her number in also.

Almost everywhere sells SIM cards however not everywhere will have the carrier of your choice or the SIM card size that your phone takes.[/QUOTE]How do these card loads work? X amount of phone / Internet access for x number of pesos?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292366]How do these card loads work? X amount of phone / Internet access for x number of pesos?[/QUOTE]Yes. Load it with p100, and each txt will consume 1 peso. Each phone call will consume about p6 per minute. Using data (no wifi) will consume also. Smart and Globe are the 2 most common SIM cards, they work about the same way. There are promo deals; for example p50 will get you unlimited data for about 3 days.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2292373]Yes. Load it with p100, and each txt will consume 1 peso. Each phone call will consume about p6 per minute. Using data (no wifi) will consume also. Smart and Globe are the 2 most common SIM cards, they work about the same way. There are promo deals; for example p50 will get you unlimited data for about 3 days.[/QUOTE]Muchas gracias, heavy on the muchas. Does data imply both phone calls and text or?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292374]Muchas gracias, heavy on the muchas. Does data imply both phone calls and text or?[/QUOTE]The initial load eg the 100 p that WC1 mentioned, can be used for local and international calls and SMS and data. Obviously international calls and SMS are far more expensive than local ones. On top of this, the telcos offer packages that bundle services together at much better rates eg you might get 3 days of data, 50 SMS and 100 local call minutes. I don't use calls or sms much in country as I find most girls give WhatsApp or Viber numbers so most of my contact is through those even if it's just a quick messgae to see if they are free that day.

As a guide to cost, for a 1 month stay I top up 500 p at the airport and then use 300 p of that load to buy a 1. 6 Gb data package and 100 free text valid for one month. I also get free minutes but can't remember how many but it's enough to last me the whole trip. If I've got hotel wifi and don't watch videos on mobile data, I'll leave with load still on the mobile phone at the end of the trip.

Note that some of the "Unlimited" packages actually throttle to insanely slow after about 1 Gb per day.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292380]As a guide to cost, for a 1 month stay I top up 500 p at the airport and then use 300 p of that load to buy a 1. 6 Gb data package and 100 free text valid for one month. I also get free minutes but can't remember how many but it's enough to last me the whole trip. If I've got hotel wifi and don't watch videos on mobile data, I'll leave with load still on the mobile phone at the end of the trip.

Note that some of the "Unlimited" packages actually throttle to insanely slow after about 1 Gb per day.[/QUOTE]I get 1 month unlimited (unli) data for p999. This is good for 800 mb per day at 4 gLTE speeds. After 800 mb in any given day, the speed throttles back to 2 g speed (very slow). It resets back to 800 mb and 4 gLTE speed at midnight. For about 500 pesos more, I get unlimited txts to all networks (Globe and Smart are separate networks) and about 100 minutes of calls to all networks (I can go months without making a phone call, but its nice to have some minutes worth in case of emergency). If the hotel wifi goes south (gosh that's never happened), and I've got a 4 gLTE signal, hotspotting my computer to my phone for web browsing is great (not so great for streaming, 800 mb is not enough to stream an entire movie).

NL: Data does not imply either phone calls or txts. Data implies web usage. You use data to access the Internet when you don't have access to wifi.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292365]Are these ladies "falling in love" in hopes for a green card or?[/QUOTE]Hell I don't know, it is just sometimes a ***** to get them out the door, they say they want to have me for a boyfriend exclusive to only them, want to cook, clean, and care, for me forever, OMG. Too much drama for me. Could be my age and the ages I am pulling, Also I treat them very well and respectful and they love that. It's a weakness of mine and I know it. They are in that desperate for a man age window, That can be good and bad.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2292203]I find this funny since the same staff that works at Kojax (open Thursday thru Saturdays for sure) also works at XOXO LOL! Same with the girls LOLOLOL! Same ones! The only thing is that the real hotties don't show up until like Friday and Saturday nights at Kojax, which is the upstairs bar. Maybe you caught them when folks were in a bad mood? I would say that on most days, I would rank PlanB higher, but Kojax absolutely took it up another notch optics-wise on the weekends. And, I won't say that ABC is the best hotel in the world, but I do think it's one of the two best in Angeles City. Nice staff, nice rooms in the new wing that aren't too gaudy (IMO), decent food for AC, rooftop pool, walking distance to all the action if you're in good enough shape. A good place to stay in AC versus one of the many, many dumps you will find there.[/QUOTE]I know that it should be the same girls but the only person that I recognized was the same was the DJ. The girls were fine, but as I said, I couldn't see much of a difference with Plan be and Angeles. What was off was the service, very surly and greedy. Come to think of it, the waitresses at XOXO were suspiciously slow bringing change too and high pressure. The atmosphere in Angeles was way more enjoyable and the girls just a bit younger too. ABC was just fine considering the 7 k per night price tag, maybe I'll try the Fields Plaza Hotel next time because it is closer. Still disappointing when compared to some of the world class hotels in Manila that sometimes charge comparable prices.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2292404]Hell I don't know, it is just sometimes a ***** to get them out the door, they say they want to have me for a boyfriend exclusive to only them, want to cook, clean, and care, for me forever, OMG. Too much drama for me. Could be my age and the ages I am pulling, Also I treat them very well and respectful and they love that. It's a weakness of mine and I know it. They are in that desperate for a man age window, That can be good and bad.[/QUOTE]I've heard a lot of that with expats when I lived in Korea. Guys there became tired of the b!tchy attitudes of Korean women and took to the Phils for greener pastures. Several whom I worked with came back to Korea with Filipina wives. One guy I worked with would rave about how his 30-years younger bride would cook, clean, iron his clothes, etc. I don't expect all that but I know I'm in that magical age group that's attractive to Filipinas. I imagine many of those ladies will change drastically once they've been in the States a few months. I've also seen some expats who really let themselves go, ie, get very overweight and turn into slobs. They marry young Filipinas and live out their lives in the Phils because they know they'll likely lose the woman if they bring them to the States. Your thoughts?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292702]One guy I worked with would rave about how his 30-years younger bride would cook, clean, iron his clothes, etc.

They marry young Filipinas and live out their lives in the Phils because they know they'll likely lose the woman if they bring them to the States. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]My thought is that here in Thailand I have a different chick to come over everyday to do those things. Not sure why I would need to marry one.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292702]I've heard a lot of that with expats when I lived in Korea. Guys there became tired of the b!tchy attitudes of Korean women and took to the Phils for greener pastures. Several whom I worked with came back to Korea with Filipina wives. One guy I worked with would rave about how his 30-years younger bride would cook, clean, iron his clothes, etc. I don't expect all that but I know I'm in that magical age group that's attractive to Filipinas. I imagine many of those ladies will change drastically once they've been in the States a few months. I've also seen some expats who really let themselves go, ie, get very overweight and turn into slobs. They marry young Filipinas and live out their lives in the Phils because they know they'll likely lose the woman if they bring them to the States. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]In USA socially it is unacceptable to have a young wife or date old enough to be a daughter or grand daughter. So even if you marry one and bring her here sooner or later she will get Americanized and adapt. She will come to know she has options and learn about alimony etc and not worry how she can live even with kids. For this reason many move to Philippines and live there in spite of being hounded by her relatives. Living is cheaper as well. Do not know if there is a alimony system in Philippines.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292380]The initial load eg the 100 p that WC1 mentioned, can be used for local and international calls and SMS and data. Obviously international calls and SMS are far more expensive than local ones. On top of this, the telcos offer packages that bundle services together at much better rates eg you might get 3 days of data, 50 SMS and 100 local call minutes. I don't use calls or sms much in country as I find most girls give WhatsApp or Viber numbers so most of my contact is through those even if it's just a quick messgae to see if they are free that day.

As a guide to cost, for a 1 month stay I top up 500 p at the airport and then use 300 p of that load to buy a 1. 6 Gb data package and 100 free text valid for one month. I also get free minutes but can't remember how many but it's enough to last me the whole trip. If I've got hotel wifi and don't watch videos on mobile data, I'll leave with load still on the mobile phone at the end of the trip.

Note that some of the "Unlimited" packages actually throttle to insanely slow after about 1 Gb per day.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks, good info. I assume that the kiosks / stores over there can explain things once I get there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292707]My thought is that here in Thailand I have a different chick to come over everyday to do those things. Not sure why I would need to marry one.[/QUOTE]Understood. Ultimately, I'm looking for a new Asian wife but would love to try out a torrent of Filipinas and / or southeast Asians until I find the right one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292707]My thought is that here in Thailand I have a different chick to come over everyday to do those things. Not sure why I would need to marry one.[/QUOTE]One thing that often gets forgotten in this discussion is that unlike the West, in Asia it's totally acceptable to have both the "good", socially acceptable wife at home and the toys as needs arise. Just don't get the two confused.

I totally get that some guys like churning through endless girls nightly and it makes for great reading for some guys that have never spent extended time doing it. However for many others, endless change outs gets old pretty quickly and some continuity (with the occasional side trip) is much preferred.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292727]I totally get that some guys like churning through endless girls nightly and it makes for great reading for some guys that have never spent extended time doing it. However for many others, endless change outs gets old pretty quickly and some continuity (with the occasional side trip) is much preferred.[/QUOTE]Still does not explain the need to get married. As if it is not possible to stay with the same chick without getting married to her. If you ask me, guys do it to themselves only to complain about the woman and how bad they got screwed over later. Only person that made you get married and lose all your shit was YOU.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292741]Still does not explain the need to get married. As if it is not possible to stay with the same chick without getting married to her. If you ask me, guys do it to themselves only to complain about the woman and how bad they got screwed over later. Only person that made you get married and lose all your shit was YOU.[/QUOTE]Valid point and I'd agree from our / the guys side. However, I don't like anyone's chances of keeping a "good" girl unmarried long term after 27 or so. Defacto / Common Law relationships are far less common there and she will be under immense pressure to marry and would likely be looking outside for a ring if out guy wasn't providing one.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292713]Thanks, good info. I assume that the kiosks / stores over there can explain things once I get there.[/QUOTE]Sure. They are very helpful.

Just tell her how long you are staying and how heavy a data user you are. Hand her your phone and she will do everything for you inc set up.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2292711]. For this reason many move to Philippines and live there in spite of being hounded by her relatives. Living is cheaper as well. Do not know if there is a alimony system in Philippines.[/QUOTE]These guys have made the most basic of mistake: marrying someone who is no way their peer. The rice farmer's daughter is socially unacceptable in the West and financially demanding and cannot hold a conversation back in her home.

I've often said that they are fun for a night or two but for something more permanent, its much beter to get out of the bar and offline and find someone decent with much more in common from suburbia.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292750]Valid point and I'd agree from our / the guys side. However, I don't like anyone's chances of keeping a "good" girl unmarried long term after 27 or so. Defacto / Common Law relationships are far less common there and she will be under immense pressure to marry and would likely be looking outside for a ring if out guy wasn't providing one.[/QUOTE]Fuck her pressure. The dude's pressure is even greater if he buys in to the "Hey set me up where I can take all your shit or I am leaving you" deal. (LOL. Either I leave you now and tqke none of your shit, or I leave you later and take all of your shit?) Since I have never been afraid to lose a chick, I have no problem showing her where the door is.

I had an incident a few months ago in Colombia with my last girlfriend. She threatened to pack her things and go home. No arguement from me. I said go then. She did not go. I got up and took a shower and packed my things and told her to turn the key in when she left the hotel. I walked out of the door.

And in regards to the OPs statement of marrying a bisexual fucktoy: Maybe he missed the post I made a couple of months ago about a buddy that did exactly that. You can search my PI posts to see how good that turned out for him.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292702] I'm in that magical age group that's attractive to Filipinas. [/QUOTE]And what age would that be? 18 - 95? LOL. I think you are kidding yourself. The only thing that matters is the size of your wallet. I'm no spring chicken, and nor is Fork Truck from what he has said, but we seem to be getting more chicks than we can handle. On my last trip I was so worn out from fucking pinay pussy that my last couple of days were pure. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292761]Fuck her pressure. The dude's pressure is even greater if he buys in to the "Hey set me up where I can take all your shit or I am leaving you" deal. [/QUOTE]Just to clarify I was talking about pressure placed upon her by others to get married rather than by her.

I'd totally agree that her pressuring him is time to walk. The next tactic for her to "forget" to take the pill.

Cheers. G.

Guys,

I am planning a solo South East Asia trip in the first week of April and am about to book my tickets.

I can accommodate just two weeks of mongering with a bit of snorkelling / hiking and sightseeing on the side, which makes it difficult to decide to choose between Manila, Bangkok & Phnom Penh.

Need sound advice. Will Manila trump Bangkok in the department of quality, ease and cost? I have been to Bangkok already.

And not just for Christmas. If you want to find love in a brothel, then go ahead. If you want to make a fortune playing blackjack in las Vegas, go ahead. But don't proffer it as a life plan. If you want someone to cook and iron for you, hire a maid. Recognise your limits and what you bring to the table.

Women do not want to be with folk who make their grandfathers look young. Exceptions have daddy issues.

Marriage means commitment and that takes effort and time and starting form roughly similar bases.

This website must have millions of separate posts but only Ten Commandments.

1. Hookers are for sex, not for marriage.

2. Hookers are, by and large, emotionally damaged.

3. Hookers have other commitments and other cash flows.

4. Hookers are paid to leave.

5. Hookers cannot be "rescued".

6. Hookers are in it for the cash. They are mercenaries.

7. Hookers are for sex, not for serious conversations, intelligent though they may be.

8. Hookers are not your friend. They are not a poodle from the pound.

9. Hookers, like junk food, should be taken in moderation.

10. Hookers have their uses and their assigned roles, as do their customers. Leave it at that.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292752]Sure. They are very helpful.

Just tell her how long you are staying and how heavy a data user you are. Hand her your phone and she will do everything for you inc set up.[/QUOTE]I've found the Smart and Globe Kiosks at the Airport to be MUCH more expensive then getting load at a 7-11. Wait until you are in town if you can. If you have T-Mobile, you can get free data although you will probably want a different SIM card to keep your main number discreet.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2292904]I've found the Smart and Globe Kiosks at the Airport to be MUCH more expensive then getting load at a 7-11. Wait until you are in town if you can. If you have T-Mobile, you can get free data although you will probably want a different SIM card to keep your main number discreet.[/QUOTE]Waiting to be in town means that you cannot call a Grab at airport. Or take a normal taxi may be? And then find a 7-11.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292741]....and lose all your shit was YOU.[/QUOTE]* HALF of your shit.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2292830]Guys,

I am planning a solo South East Asia trip in the first week of April and am about to book my tickets.

I can accommodate just two weeks of mongering with a bit of snorkelling / hiking and sightseeing on the side, which makes it difficult to decide to choose between Manila, Bangkok & Phnom Penh.

Need sound advice. Will Manila trump Bangkok in the department of quality, ease and cost? I have been to Bangkok already.[/QUOTE]Based on your criteria, I can only say that manila is cheaper than bkk. Ease will depend upon where you plan to go in both places, and your familiarity of all the options out there. Quality, I assume you are referring to the girls; and in all my years all I can say is that I still cannot make a comprehensive rating comparison between PI and BKK girls. Both have there advantages and disadvantages, so for me there is no way to compare them against each other, it just depends on what I am wanting at that time. Sort of like android and ios, I like um both. Both have their strong and weak points, so if you can make a decision great (yeah I use both). Bkk and PP is easier to make a comparison between the girls, but impossible to do a BKK to PI girl.

Diving for sure PI, hiking and sightseeing with only 2 weeks. I guess I would need a breakdown of your time assessment for each, but if mongering is your priority, then that leaves very little time for those.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2292904]I've found the Smart and Globe Kiosks at the Airport to be MUCH more expensive then getting load at a 7-11. Wait until you are in town if you can. If you have T-Mobile, you can get free data although you will probably want a different SIM card to keep your main number discreet.[/QUOTE]Yes, they can cost a few pesos more.

Then again the kiosks offer a package deal with the SIM card which is cheaper than else where.

But a peso saved is a peso earned.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2292904]I've found the Smart and Globe Kiosks at the Airport to be MUCH more expensive then getting load at a 7-11. Wait until you are in town if you can. If you have T-Mobile, you can get free data although you will probably want a different SIM card to keep your main number discreet.[/QUOTE]I did not understand the price difference. If you purchase a p300 load at the airport for p300, your phone will load +300. If you make the same purchase at a 7-11 in town, your phone will load +300. The cost of the SIM card itself is the same in each location, and at the airport they are happy to install it for you in your current phone. What is the greater cost at the airport?

T-Mobile. You get free and unlimited data / Internet usage, at 2 g speed. Its so slow that many websites will time out. Try this trick: In Manila, in your gringo phone, insert your Smart (or Globe) SIM card, and watch the bars. Probably you will see the 4 G / LTE symbol and several bars. Run a speed test, don't be surprised if its about (speeds can vary wildly) 40 mbps download and 20 mbps upload. That's not unusual. That's plenty of fast enough to web browse, use your Google Maps to navigate, WeChat, and stream movies to your laptop (hotspot) all at the same time. Next, replace your Smart SIM with your T-Mobile SIM, and watch your speed indicator say G, or even disappear (meaning 2 G). Run another speed test and notice this typical speed: 1-2 mbps download, and well under 1 mbps upload. These speeds are good for: timeouts.

Certainly that is a t-Mobile slowdown, as the same local network runs much faster on a Smart / Globe card. A guy at a T-Mobile store told me that is T-Mobile's attempt to get you to upgrade your out-of-country and hotspot to their faster speeds -- for a monthly fee.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2292830]Guys,

I am planning a solo South East Asia trip in the first week of April and am about to book my tickets.

I can accommodate just two weeks of mongering with a bit of snorkelling / hiking and sightseeing on the side, which makes it difficult to decide to choose between Manila, Bangkok & Phnom Penh.

Need sound advice. Will Manila trump Bangkok in the department of quality, ease and cost? I have been to Bangkok already.[/QUOTE]Write a report on BKK so we know your baseline for comparison.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2292958]I did not understand the price difference. If you purchase a p300 load at the airport for p300, your phone will load +300. If you make the same purchase at a 7-11 in town, your phone will load +300. The cost of the SIM card itself is the same in each location, and at the airport they are happy to install it for you in your current phone. What is the greater cost at the airport?

T-Mobile. You get free and unlimited data / Internet usage, at 2 g speed. Its so slow that many websites will time out. Try this trick: In Manila, in your gringo phone, insert your Smart (or Globe) SIM card, and watch the bars. Probably you will see the 4 G / LTE symbol and several bars. Run a speed test, don't be surprised if its about (speeds can vary wildly) 40 mbps download and 20 mbps upload. That's not unusual. That's plenty of fast enough to web browse, use your Google Maps to navigate, WeChat, and stream movies to your laptop (hotspot) all at the same time. Next, replace your Smart SIM with your T-Mobile SIM, and watch your speed indicator say G, or even disappear (meaning 2 G). Run another speed test and notice this typical speed: 1-2 mbps download, and well under 1 mbps upload. These speeds are good for: timeouts.

Certainly that is a t-Mobile slowdown, as the same local network runs much faster on a Smart / Globe card. A guy at a T-Mobile store told me that is T-Mobile's attempt to get you to upgrade your out-of-country and hotspot to their faster speeds -- for a monthly fee.[/QUOTE]I'd agree. I've always paid 500 p for a 500 p top up regardless of where I get it. Plans and promos are bought within the phone on *149# or a kiosk. Again at a fixed price.

As for swapping SIMs, Roaming settings, Speed restrictions etc, just buy a second unlocked travel phone. Its so much easier. Arrive in any country and put a local SIM in and its works. Have full download speeds. If your house burns down, your home phone will still ring when someone calls you. And a biggie for most of us: you have separation and security of your home and fun contacts. Many guys like to keep home info from party girls, messages to hookers from our civilian lives, or both.

That's a lot of convenience for a hundred dollars on Ebay.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2292713]Thanks, good info. I assume that the kiosks / stores over there can explain things once I get there.[/QUOTE]What's to explain? Just like fuxking. Pay for it and Insert the SIM card and go at it.

Any other questions just google: SIM cards for dummies.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2292957]Only an idiot would lose half of their shit or anything to speak of.

In some cases half of nothing is?[/QUOTE]Falling in love with a blow job; putting all your major possessions in a hookers name; piling money into a business that you can't keep. We're not exactly talking about Mensa candidates. 🤔.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292989]Falling in love with a blow job; putting all your major possessions in a hookers name; piling money into a business that you can't keep. We're not exactly talking about Mensa candidates. 🤔.[/QUOTE]Personally I think Mensa people would be dupe easier. Lack of common sense. The graphs with upward progress and pie charts in the business plan would certainly sell them.

Dang, I have done all 3! Mensa me.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2292830]Guys,

I am planning a solo South East Asia trip in the first week of April and am about to book my tickets.
I can accommodate just two weeks of mongering with a bit of snorkelling / hiking and sightseeing on the side, which makes it difficult to decide to choose between Manila, Bangkok & Phnom Penh.
Need sound advice. Will Manila trump Bangkok in the department of quality, ease and cost? I have been to Bangkok already.[/QUOTE]Must be kidding. You have been on this board for months now, been to BKK, and have not one quality informative post about your experiences. In fact, just two reports with only questions. I am with DG on this, start writing some quality descriptive Field Reports about your BKK experiences. What you thought of the hotels where you stayed, the restaurants where you ate, where you pulled girls from, prices if you will, the good / bad / ugly.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2292830]Guys,

I am planning a solo South East Asia trip in the first week of April and am about to book my tickets.

I can accommodate just two weeks of mongering with a bit of snorkelling / hiking and sightseeing on the side, which makes it difficult to decide to choose between Manila, Bangkok & Phnom Penh.

Need sound advice. Will Manila trump Bangkok in the department of quality, ease and cost? Quality, no, but maybe better GFE. Ease, no. Cost, probably but PNH is ever lower. I have been to Bangkok already.[/QUOTE]No snorkeling in any of those cities. South of MNL in Sabang has snorkeling or go west to Subic which is west of Angeles City. If you want hiking / sightseeing BKK and PNH are better than MNL but Siem Reap is better than all the above. Mongering is good in all three and Siem Reap but probably best (quality / ease / cost) in Angeles City and Pattaya but others may disagree. If it were me I'd go to Siem Reap for hiking and massages five days; and the rest of the time snorkel mongering between MNL / Sabang or MNL / Angeles / Subic. Read all of those threads then decide. Oh and if you find a particularly beautiful slim and stacked LBFM you must give me her contact info.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2292782]And what age would that be? 18 - 95? LOL. I think you are kidding yourself. The only thing that matters is the size of your wallet. I'm no spring chicken, and nor is Fork Truck from what he has said, but we seem to be getting more chicks than we can handle. On my last trip I was so worn out from fucking pinay pussy that my last couple of days were pure. LOL.[/QUOTE]You may be right on that 18-95 range but, from what I've been gathering from chatting up these women, a middle-aged guy is the best pick. Yes, financially stable, still able to fuck and not just using her as a quick dump and run like a lot of younger guys would.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292987]I'd agree. I've always paid 500 p for a 500 p top up regardless of where I get it. Plans and promos are bought within the phone on *149# or a kiosk. Again at a fixed price.

As for swapping SIMs, Roaming settings, Speed restrictions etc, just buy a second unlocked travel phone. Its so much easier. Arrive in any country and put a local SIM in and its works. Have full download speeds. If your house burns down, your home phone will still ring when someone calls you. And a biggie for most of us: you have separation and security of your home and fun contacts. Many guys like to keep home info from party girls, messages to hookers from our civilian lives, or both.

That's a lot of convenience for a hundred dollars on Ebay.[/QUOTE]What type of phone / cost are you suggesting for the second phone?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2292989]Falling in love with a blow job; putting all your major possessions in a hookers name; piling money into a business that you can't keep. We're not exactly talking about Mensa candidates. 🤔.[/QUOTE]Sadly, seen that happen countless times in Korea. Of course it happens everywhere else too, just kinda shocking how many lonely, gullible guys there are.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293029]Sadly, seen that happen countless times in Korea. Of course it happens everywhere else too, just kinda shocking how many lonely, gullible guys there are.[/QUOTE]I realize its dumbed down TV but have a look at "90 day Fiance" on You Tube. How desperate can guys be to get laid?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2292958]I did not understand the price difference. If you purchase a p300 load at the airport for p300, your phone will load +300. If you make the same purchase at a 7-11 in town, your phone will load +300. The cost of the SIM card itself is the same in each location, and at the airport they are happy to install it for you in your current phone. What is the greater cost at the airport?[/QUOTE]At the airport they want to sign up visitor arrivals to a P300 promo. The airport kiosks usually try to say they only have P300 load cards (and we all know they have P100 load cards in the draw). So minimum purchase for a newbie at airport is going to be P300. Load P300, then use the P300 in a call, data, sms load. Same load could be used for a P90 GOTSCOMBO and have P210 remaining for the next load.

I try to load the minimum required for the promo. I find that they have ways for leaking away any excess credit. If my plans expires and I don't react to the SMS (in a meeting or asleep at night) then the iPhone data pings get charged at full rate and bye-bye excess credit.

As a regular visitor I purchase a P100 load card when I leave the country. I then use that card wen I next arrive in country.

Before arrival I've also used Ding to put load via credit card. Allows me to load my phone, GF and other phones in the one (work claimable) transaction.

Small beer though.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293028]What type of phone / cost are you suggesting for the second phone?[/QUOTE]Just any run of the mill, low to mid level phone that's not locked to a carrier. Pro tips: the very cheapest don't have enough memory to load all the Dating and Social Apps you might want; if you are paranoid about home security, get a operating system (Apple, Android etc) that your significant other doesn't have, that way there is no chance of accidental replications across all your devices; fast charging is super handy on a travel phone.

I paid US $ 150 on Ebay and its more than I need.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2293041]Just any run of the mill, low to mid level phone that's not locked to a carrier. Pro tips: the very cheapest don't have enough memory to load all the Dating and Social Apps you might want; if you are paranoid about home security, get a operating system (Apple, Android etc) that your significant other doesn't have, that way there is no chance of accidental replications across all your devices; fast charging is super handy on a travel phone.

I paid US $ 150 on Ebay and its more than I need.[/QUOTE]What kind of phone did you get for $150?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293049]What kind of phone did you get for $150?[/QUOTE]Samsung Android. I don't know the model. Probably superseded by now

I applauded your pre work to be prepared but it's really not that hard or anything to sweat the details over. Just buy any phone on ebay for $100/150, turn up to PI, hand said phone and 500 p to the girl at Globe or Smart and say "make it work, I need a reasonable amount of data". You may get it right. You may fuck it up. Worst case is you will be up for another $10 for a top up. Much better to spend your time on chasing and contacting girlies than researching phone models and technical specifications.

Enjoy your trip and let us know how it goes. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2293038]I realize its dumbed down TV but have a look at "90 day Fiance" on You Tube. How desperate can guys be to get laid?[/QUOTE]Like this guy: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1siMGgStQ[/URL].

He didn't learn anything from his first marriage? LOL.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293028]What type of phone / cost are you suggesting for the second phone?[/QUOTE]I spent p15 k (almost $300 USD with accessories, ie case, SD card, etc) on an asian Samsung. It was 17 k for the base model in Malate Robinson's Place mall at the Samsung store on 3rd floor. A few doors down from there are several phone places, and one of them was running a promo. The phone is the same size, look, and feel of my US Samsung (considerably more expensive). The screen display is nice, and it takes a good pic. However the differences in quality and performance between the two phones are obvious. While the screens are the same size, the US phone display is better. Pics, vids taken on the phone, and movies streamed look good on the asian phone, but in comparison with the phones side by side, the US phone is just much crisper, more color, beautiful. The US phone focuses in pic mode faster and better. A positive extra for the asian A6 is that it has a front flash for the cam (real flash, not a screen-lightup), makes it great for taking selfies in darker situations. Such asian (or any) unlocked phones can be used in any country, just insert the new SIM in each new country.

Have previously purchased other cheaper asian unlocked models, such as the Cherry Mobile trash (good for about 1 year until they fall apart) in the $100-$150 range. Large screens, crappy processors and limited memory, cheap components. Caution about CM phones: There is only one repair facility in all of Phils (or at least that was the case previously), in the Manila Sampoloc area. If you buy a CM phone, you have only 30 days to bring it back to the original place of purchase with receipt for replacement (no repair probably). After that you must send it to Sampoloc for any warranty work (remainder of 1 year). Someone correct me if I am wrong. Alternative is to take it to any phone repair shop and pay to have it fixed (probably voiding the warranty that you can't use anyway).

Having 2 phones seems a bit excessive. But when I'm in-country, I use the laptop to keep in touch with fam / friends with email, my US phone I check every 1-3 days for txt msgs (I don't email or FB on my phone), and use the asian phone for all communications within the country. The asian phone SD card and memory are sanitized the night before departure, and then the phone is factory re-set for use on the next trip.

NL, I will PM you.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293049]What kind of phone did you get for $150?[/QUOTE]1. Go on [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] or eBay.

2. Get a GSM unlocked cell phone.

Blu or Moto brands work great in Philippines.

3. Land at PH airport and go to Smart kiosks and buy SIM card with load.

3 simple steps. Anything else will cause needless undue dizzy analysis paralysis.

Call me post police, but there seems to be a large number of posts here related to phones and SIM cards and data plans that would be more suited to the general info thread.

On a separate note I wonder how mongering was done before the advent of mobile phone technology. Or anything else for that matter.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293067]Call me post police, but there seems to be a large number of posts here related to phones and SIM cards and data plans that would be more suited to the general info thread.

On a separate note I wonder how mongering was done before the advent of mobile phone technology. Or anything else for that matter.[/QUOTE]That would be my fault as of late. Not used to the nuances of the Phils threads. Every country / state has theirs as do individual cities. Blame it on me for jacking this one up.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2293061]1. Go on [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] or eBay.

2. Get a GSM unlocked cell phone.

Blu or Moto brands work great in Philippines.

3. Land at PH airport and go to Smart kiosks and buy SIM card with load.

3 simple steps. Anything else will cause needless undue dizzy analysis paralysis.[/QUOTE]Got it, thanks. Reason I've asked all of this shit about phones is I had a similar issue in China several years ago and you wouldn't believe the headaches it caused, which never got resolved. Going to do some research on those brands and thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293091]Got it, thanks. Reason I've asked all of this shit about phones is I had a similar issue in China several years ago and you wouldn't believe the headaches it caused, which never got resolved. Going to do some research on those brands and thanks for the heads up.[/QUOTE]Oppo and Vivo is most popular with the girls there, and you can get them anywhere.

Of course for name brand cp it is cheaper to buy in your own country.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2293061]1. Go on [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] or eBay.

2. Get a GSM unlocked cell phone.

Blu or Moto brands work great in Philippines.

3. Land at PH airport and go to Smart kiosks and buy SIM card with load.

3 simple steps. Anything else will cause needless undue dizzy analysis paralysis.[/QUOTE]Agreed, I visited a local independent cell phone repair / sales shop in the US before trip. I told the guy I was going to Philippines and wanted to buy a cell P that would work there. He said Okay, I have many customers come in for same thing and I know what you need. For $140.00 I bought an LG phone with the correct specs. Downloaded the apps I wanted on it at home before trip and prayed the phone guy didn't screw me, stopped at Smart counter in airport, free sim card and loaded pesos worth of load. Easy because the attendant took my phone and did everything for me. Caution; You do have to watch your load bank, my phone abruptly quit working once in the middle of texting and I saw I had 65 PHP load left, WTF, so taxi ride to mall found Smart counter and attendant took one look and said sorry sir you only have .65 PHP left (less than one) that is why phone no worky. Bought more load and back in business.

I'm sorry, I mis-spoke. It wasn't load I bought, it was a package. I want to say 500 PHP for a week unlimited data. I should have just bought load, then signed up for a plan through my phone. I like the idea of buying a load card before I leave.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293067]Call me post police, but there seems to be a large number of posts here related to phones and SIM cards and data plans that would be more suited to the general info thread.

On a separate note I wonder how mongering was done before the advent of mobile phone technology. Or anything else for that matter.[/QUOTE]First off, I cannot agree more that post about the efficacy of marrying pinays or getting your phone to work are not what the location specific forums are for. I do not want my fellow mongers / cheongsters to stop posting here but it would be good to take some of these to the Philippines General Info forum and focus more on the where and how's of Manila.

Back to the point, I see a lot about Makati and EDSA, but what about other areas of greater Manila. Are there recommendable bars in other parts of the city where an ex-pat can go to find a quickie with a working girl? How about a gentleman's club where harmless visual stimulation can be found?

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2293343]I'm sorry, I mis-spoke. It wasn't load I bought, it was a package. I want to say 500 PHP for a week unlimited data. I should have just bought load, then signed up for a plan through my phone. I like the idea of buying a load card before I leave.[/QUOTE]This was so long ago, that I don't know if it is still relevant today. But I remember for some reason I wanted to or had to buy a sim card and get load as I exited the airport (can't remember, but probably because I wanted to update a girl or girls I was meeting so that they could get on there way and we could meet faster as opposed to getting to the hotel and then buying my sim and texting the girl (s). Could save me a few hours). I purchased the sim and the remainder of 1000 pesos for load, figuring that it should last me a good part of a week and I could always add load later. Had them install it and add the load, he showed me the balance of 900 something load and I paid him and left. After a couple of days I ran out of load? I know I was texting a lot of girls, but still that was a bit fast. Did some research and found out that when texting different networks, it cost more but at that time it still wouldn't have burned up my load. Also found out that there are sim cards that people sell that steal load. Possible. Came to the conclusion that they sold me load that had a short life (cheaper for them to buy) so my load expired before I used them.

[QUOTE=Ogman;2293356]Back to the point, I see a lot about Makati and EDSA, but what about other areas of greater Manila. Are there recommendable bars in other parts of the city where an ex-pat can go to find a quickie with a working girl? How about a gentleman's club where harmless visual stimulation can be found?[/QUOTE]Burgos St Makati, Horizon's Gentleman's club. Good pole dancers from various countries, more US-style, one girl at a time (not the usual plethora of bored shuffling), good erotic pole dancing (girls are not for takeout).

LA Cafe in Malate, lots of eye candy later at night, all girls for takeout.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2293437]Burgos St Makati, Horizon's Gentleman's club. Good pole dancers from various countries, more US-style, one girl at a time (not the usual plethora of bored shuffling), good erotic pole dancing (girls are not for takeout).

LA Cafe in Malate, lots of eye candy later at night, all girls for takeout.[/QUOTE]Did somebody mention pole dancers. 🤩.

Where are the places to go to see active, attractive and skilled pole dancers in Manila? I'm talking entertainers not the zoned out chicks shuffling around a pole we normally see. Naked is also good. 😎.

I'll need to be careful. I have an absolute weakness for dancers. I was totally kunt struck by a Sabang dancer for several years. She could spin around, up and down a chrome pole like it was magic. Nightly workouts gave her a super toned body which she put to great use back in the room or anywhere I liked on the walk home. So much fun I would bar fine her weeks at a time. Saved me a fortune when she no longer needed the bar and went freelance. Fuck I miss those days.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2293458]Did somebody mention pole dancers.

Where are the places to go to see active, attractive and skilled pole dancers in Manila? I'm talking entertainers not the zoned out chicks shuffling around a pole we normally see. Naked is also good. [/QUOTE]Horizon's on Burgos. Girls are not for takeout like other gogo bars. One dancer at a time, all do good work. Songs and choreography seem to showcase the girl's dancing and pole talents. No bored stage-dance shuffling. Multi-national lineup of dancers, including Russian girls. Its a few doors down from Ringside, across the street from Wowowow bar. Unfortunately not naked.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2292882]And not just for Christmas. If you want to find love in a brothel, then go ahead. If you want to make a fortune playing blackjack in las Vegas, go ahead. But don't proffer it as a life plan. If you want someone to cook and iron for you, hire a maid. Recognise your limits and what you bring to the table.

Women do not want to be with folk who make their grandfathers look young. Exceptions have daddy issues.

Marriage means commitment and that takes effort and time and starting form roughly similar bases.

This website must have millions of separate posts but only Ten Commandments.

1. Hookers are for sex, not for marriage.

2. Hookers are, by and large, emotionally damaged..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, fellas who marry hookers do so dreaming of a life of unlimited long-time. They are drawn to delusions of waking each morning to a slobby blowjob until they blow her brains, and skilled prostitute sex bareback cum-in-pussy with unlimited lifetime pops. When they wake up, the reality of marriage to a Pinay hooker is very different to the dream. LOL!

Hi there,

Does anyone have any information on the S&M scene in Manila, specifically professional Dommes? I have found one website of a lady calling herself Domina Fire and would be interested to know if anyone has any experiences with her or any other pro Domme in Manila. Many thanks.

Gents:

Appreciate the Horizon Recommendation. Lots of youtube info for them. Are there some of those less quality strip clubs with private rooms where more services could be negitiated? I have heard there are bars in the less popular areas where you can get a BJ under the table or in a back room. We cannot publicize such places as the police likely follow this but I would appreciate a PM with any recommendations.

Alternatively, AC is great since I like sitting at Kokomos and watching independents walk by. Any good food courts or street bars where that can be done in greater Manila? What about closer to the airport like other cities? I guess traffic is too bad to have places to cruise SW loops.

[QUOTE=Redgrouper;2294013]Hi there,

Does anyone have any information on the S&M scene in Manila, specifically professional Dommes? I have found one website of a lady calling herself Domina Fire and would be interested to know if anyone has any experiences with her or any other pro Domme in Manila. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]There is some but best PM me on this as there are numbers not web site links.

You did ask he same on Poland 10 years ago but never shared after so is there in Warsaw as I know where and how etc so be interested to know your contributions ion that area as I am there again soon.

Best PM me as can't give out names and number on the threads.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2293714]Unfortunately, fellas who marry hookers do so dreaming of a life of unlimited long-time. They are drawn to delusions of waking each morning to a slobby blowjob until they blow her brains, and skilled prostitute sex bareback cum-in-pussy with unlimited lifetime pops. When they wake up, the reality of marriage to a Pinay hooker is very different to the dream. LOL![/QUOTE]You and Pedro seem to have it all figured out. Is this from personal experience? Or just book learning or reading lifetime novels?

All conjecture again! Can we get actual and factual experience reports?

P.S. I am beginning to think CM and PM are all the same.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2294180]Can we get actual and factual experience reports? [/QUOTE]I'm a bit hazy on what you want factual reports on.

Guys that married hookers only to see their life fall apart? There are allready many 1st and 2nd hand reports on the forum discussing just that. I've got no reason to doubt the honesty of any of them.

Guys that married Asian civilians, had a little fun on the side and lived happily ever after? I personally know several guys here and outside the forum that have done exactly that. I'm not going to name names but just as my post to PinayPounder showed the well work path to failure there are also some common traits to the relationships that last decades and don't cost him a fortune:

Boy meets girl in suburbia; not a bar or immediate online hook up.

Boy and girl are roughly similar age groups, education level and experience / worldliness.

Boy does not select girl merely because of her looks or BJ skills; they actually have things in common and can hold a conversation.

Boy does not do stupid shit just because he can; no fucking the relatives, friends etc.

Fun and domestic bliss are kept totally separate. Boy has fun but ensures he does not do anything to embarrass the girl or her family to her friends or the outside world.

I'm not saying there are not many, many money hungry, thieving, mercenary girls out there for whom a relationship should be avoided at all costs. However, to suggest that all Asian girls fit this description and a solid long term relationship is impossible is just plain wrong.

* before anyone jumps down my thought, I didn't say that marriage or LTRs are for everyone. That's a totally different discussion.

Cheers. G

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2294180]All conjecture again! Can we get actual and factual experience reports? [/QUOTE]I did that back in January. Now can we get actual and factual reports on someone living happily ever after with a hooker?

Here is another case. A close buddy of mine who is a pretty streetwise guy met this chick at the hooker disco his first trip to Brazil. This was when and where I met him as well. He took Portuguese classes at the University of California at Berkely before even going and spoke the language damn good. He is the reason for me stepping up my game with the language. After a few more trips this chick ends up knocked up.

When the baby comes out it is obvious to everyone else that it is not his. He is a dark skinned American guy and this baby is definitely the result of a Brazilian guy. He goes to the embassy to get a passport for "his" son. He also gets a fiance visa for the chick to visit him in the States. When she visits him she gets knocked up again. This baby is obviously his. Against everyone's advice he marries the chick and moves her to the States.

One day he is gone on a trip for work and some guy writes on her facebook thanks for last night, etc. He got home and asked if it was true and she admitted it. They broke up. But whatever that time you have to be married until the person gets their final paperwork has not elapsed. So he is still on the hook for taking care of her and the kids. The time is up by now because this was years ago. I don't know if he still has to pay her, but he still has to pay for the kids.

You think he would have learned his lesson, but I guess not. We were in Colombia one day and I let him use my phone. A couple of months later I noticed that he had left facebook opened on his account. Some message is on there about him sending money to hookers in Colombia. This guy, I tell you!

*Forgot to mention I was searching for something on the internet with some coworkers one day and came across a porn video that the Brazilian chick had done back when those guy would go shoot all their movies down there. I sent it to him and he said he already knew about it.

I have another buddy that married and imported a Brazilian hooker and she ended up fucking a professional baseball player. She had originally met the baseball player in Brazil before, but my buddy did not know that. So he imports pussy for another guy to have. Divorced as well.

Why marry a hooker when there are so many chicks out there that are not hookers to choose from? This I will never understand. It is like going to a car lot and choosing the most raggedy beat up used rental car that you know you will have to pour money into and paying full price for it. If you are out to make a fresh start, then choose a fresh person.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273440]So a couple of years ago a buddy of mine made some rant videos. He lived in the Dominican Republic for like 7 years then moved to Angeles. The videos were about never seriously date a Dominican. Only fuck them because they are all hookers. The next week he turns around and marries a chick that was working at a bar opposite Kokomos. This left everyone confused after seeing the videos. Well the shit finally fell apart. In a facebook group he posted pictures of how she had gone upside his head with an ugly stick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2294304] Why marry a hooker when there are so many chicks out there that are not hookers to choose from? This I will never understand. It is like going to a car lot and choosing the most raggedy beat up used rental car that you know you will have to pour money into and paying full price for it. If you are out to make a fresh start, then choose a fresh person.[/QUOTE]True words.

So many 'white knights' wants to live out the Richard Gere vs Julia Robers Pretty Woman fantasy.

It is a fantasy. But you (new) guys don't have to be the one picking up the tab, when everybody and their old granddad have had their fun with 'your' (yeah, right.) sweatheart.

Respect the woman, and have fun with the P4P girls, but meanwhile also date the girl in the shop, restaurant, ticket seller or whatever she might be doing for a living.

Date anyone that gets up in the morning and puts in +8 hours of work. They will be a better match.

And don't worry, there will be endless lines of white knights standing ready to save 'your' sweatheart.

She will be okay.

And also, you do not need to marry. Tell her that you will take good care of her (and do that) - all should be fine.

Beware of (any) woman that press wedding early on in a realationship. Its a sign of warning.

Had the itch to turn an overnight layover into a night in Manila.

On paper Tokyo flight landed at 12 am, morning after would resume 10 am to Singapore.

Legit opportunity to get 4-6 hours of the night. I think.

How it played out:

Got to Tokyo Narita, was promptly informed the JetStar flight was delayed 2 hours. *Sigh* can still salvage some of the night I think. Booked a $22 hotel as a safety measure. Land at 2 almost 3 am. MNL customs is a breeze. Exchanged leftover yen and ringgit for pisos.

Had my heart set on LA Café. Instead of UBER there's GRAB, ordered a ride to hotel to freshen up / drop luggage. Talked about something something in Manila, driver is an expat from San Diego CA, said he'd leave the ride open if I wanted to drop off my luggage hop back in car he take me to Burgos Street and even play wingman. I declined. Felt like I might be vulnerable to some kind of catch with that little sleep.

Got into LA Café waaaaaaay later than I planned, almost 4 am with a 10 am flight looming.

Order a separate ride from hotel to LA Café, ordered a token Sprite not to make a scene, couple next to me talked about do's don't's of mongering and told me unwind and walk around check out extra room bar upstairs. Read on ISG and other online sources LA Cafe's 2nd floor is VIP cover charge supposedly. Took a chance. Saw a cashier post but no cashier and the 10 minutes I was up there no one haggled me for cover charge. Oh well.

A cute girl in group of girls smiled when I looked in her direction, walked over to her, we talked. She said room next door + 5000 pisos for 3 hours. I wasn't thinking I just said Let's do it.

Problem I felt like worrying about later: I only brought 3000 pisos. Had more except Grab fees and hotel took a cash deposit. Should've said something up front, my bad.

We go in, shower up, we cuddle DFK, starts with a BBBJ but is firm on condom required for penetration. Wants doggy, I flip her over and go full DATY, she says it's the most intense oral she's received in forever. Do multiple positions for the first session. Snuggle. Get pissed off because my travel baggy back at the (sleep) hotel has 10-12 condoms and 0 on my person so I had to buy some from the room service FML.

Start second round. Ask her what's the craziest thing she's done, she giggles didn't really answer the question. Start with my favorite her head upside down at edge of bed, rubbing her body while her BBBJ skills go to town. More positions later I finished round 2.

Felt tired, looked at time might have been 4:30 am by this point. I couldn't do this. I told her I was pressed for time (Thanks JetStar) confessed I don't have 5000 pisos on me, so instead of 5000 p for 3 hours here's 3000 p for 45 m, you can go back in the café and track down a different dud to do the deed. Initially she was disappointed not aggressive but did agree to settle at 3000. THEN she typed in her phone # into my WhatsApp and said if I'm ever in Manila again, she'll bring her friend for a full FFM trio. Sent her on her way.

Napped at hotel. Showered up, made it to NAIA for my 10 am flight to Singapore. No delays this time from JetStar. Girl texts me to make sure I made my flight, kiss emoji. Flight takes off. BUT THEN-.

8 minutes in the sky Pilot finds one engine's oil pressure not reading well, makes emergency return to MNL. We're asked to sit in the gate room for 45-60 minutes while crews whack at the engine while we watch. JetStar was running light on stall tactics. The 45 minute wait lasted 6 hours, 2 hours after we should have touched down in Singapore, JetStar reps announce to 180 smiling faces the plane is unfit to fly and all other JetStar direct and connecting routes to SIN are booked up.

They offered a 5 star room in Manila. I could have invited that girl.

I really had to be in Singapore. I grabbed my luggage. I got a ride to another zip code to the terminal that caters to name brand carriers and shelled out $205 USD to Singapore Airlines and hopped on a Boeing 777 that wasn't even half full. (Why two airlines can't form a truce in this instance idk) Caught the second to last subway leaving Singapore Changi for the night. Got to my hotel 5 minutes before the desk staff locked up for the night.

Never heard a peep from JetStar about a refund.

Every other week, girl and I on WhatsApp text random sweet nothings. Let her know about my next stopover this April from Seoul to Sydney. Already locked up flight Cebu Pacific Monday night MNL-SYD, and eyeballing at flight Saturday afternoon Seoul ICN-CRK. I didn't tell her about the CRK part.

If you've made it this far: In LA Café is 5000 p the going rate or did she throw a high number only a noob would jump on? Chances of negotiating powers? And is that normal for them to exchange WhatsApp info afterwards?

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2295188]Had the itch to turn an overnight layover into a night in Manila.


If you've made it this far: In LA Caf is 5000 p the going rate or did she throw a high number only a noob would jump on? Chances of negotiating powers? And is that normal for them to exchange WhatsApp info afterwards?[/QUOTE]Upstairs 5 K is about right, but there are factors involved in negotiations; supply and demand, how much competition is there upstairs; what time is it, as usually they will turn one trix and they are done, so if it is very late and they have not secured a customer for the outing, you may have the leverage; is she independant, there are mommies up there that take a cut; do you look like easy money, the girls will target the three threes, so if you look korean, japanese, or chinese you do have some leveraging power; was she there alone, or did she travel there with a bunch of other girls, packless girls are more liberal with the prices; where she lived, the farther away she traveled to work the night, the more desperate she will be to get a customer before returning home as the higher her investment was to make the trip. There are probably a lot more things, but since you did not do the initial interview, it would seem worthless. Social media exchange is absolutely normal, Whatsapp tho is not as popular as viber or fb mess, but I guess things are changing.

I'm sure this has probably been brought up before, but I really like daytime action massage parlor type. I love Manila bay cafe but sometimes only have an hour or two to get away. What are the top 3 rub and tug places? Looking for better looking girls as the most important, price doesn't matter as long as they're hot or many to pick from.

Hi MG,

Try Fusiondise Spa. Just next to NAIA.

Good massage and extra services.

Beautiful masseuse.

Manila Airport Hotel, NAIA Terminal 1 Complex, Parañaque.

Have fun, Vic.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2295292]I'm sure this has probably been brought up before, but I really like daytime action massage parlor type. I love Manila bay cafe but sometimes only have an hour or two to get away. What are the top 3 rub and tug places? Looking for better looking girls as the most important, price doesn't matter as long as they're hot or many to pick from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2295188]If you've made it this far: In LA Caf is 5000 p the going rate or did she throw a high number only a noob would jump on? Chances of negotiating powers? And is that normal for them to exchange WhatsApp info afterwards?[/QUOTE]I am sweating by only reading your story! It seems like a lot of stress, but you probably had good reasons to get to Singapore. I go to LA Cafe frequently and normally will pay 1500-2000 peso. Never more. Sometimes I get sexy nice girls, some other times I have no luck. But I make it very clear what I want to pay. Normally no problem there. The young girls upstairs looking at the "Japanese / Korean" section inside does not interest me. They will ask for 5 K I am sure. LA Cafe is a hit and miss. But sometimes you can find a diamond in the ruff.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2295188]
<Big Snip>
If you've made it this far: In LA Caf is 5000 p the going rate or did she throw a high number only a noob would jump on? Chances of negotiating powers? And is that normal for them to exchange WhatsApp info afterwards?[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting a detailed report. Murphy's first law states: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong".
I feel your pain. Next time, try and fly the established Airlines (ANA, Cathay, Singapore or even SilkAir).

It has been a few years since I visited LA Cafe. My experience is that price is negotiable and you should negotiate.
Time of visit does matter. Since you reached at 4 am, you do have an advantage.

It is not "normal" to exchange WhatsApp info. It appears:
(a) This girl had a decent experience with you. She felt you were being honest (about the money).
(b) She feels you are a good prospect and wants to hook up when you visit again.

~BKKguru.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2295466]It is not "normal" to exchange WhatsApp info.[/QUOTE]How is it not normal to exchange info? Many times I go to bars and clubs only to get chicks' info to build up my list, then call them when I want them to come. And after a session of a chick that I have taken on the spot, I have exchanged info more often than not I am sure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2295469]How is it not normal to exchange info? Many times I go to bars and clubs only to get chicks' info to build up my list, then call them when I want them to come. And after a session of a chick that I have taken on the spot, I have exchanged info more often than not I am sure.[/QUOTE]

He asked the following question: "And is that normal for them to exchange WhatsApp info afterwards?"

I cannot speak for you, but most of us do not exchange numbers with EVERY girl we session with.

I was not present in the room but my interpretation (after carefully reading the report) is the girl offered her number without he even asking.
This does happen, but cannot be called a "normal" occurrence.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2295456]I am sweating by only reading your story! It seems like a lot of stress, but you probably had good reasons to get to Singapore. I go to LA Cafe frequently and normally will pay 1500-2000 peso. Never more. Sometimes I get sexy nice girls, some other times I have no luck. But I make it very clear what I want to pay. Normally no problem there. The young girls upstairs looking at the "Japanese / Korean" section inside does not interest me. They will ask for 5 K I am sure. LA Cafe is a hit and miss. But sometimes you can find a diamond in the ruff.[/QUOTE]The girls frequently offer what they think the market will bear. The same girl might charge 5 k at one time and location and accept 1 k at another.

The OP was prepared to pay for convenience and had a good time. The girl was satisfied enough to leave her number, hoping for another similar meet up. In my eyes that's a win-win.

I'd agree that swapping numbers when everyone has had a good time is pretty normal.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2295188]Had the itch to turn an overnight layover into a night in Manila.

On paper Tokyo flight landed at 12 am, morning after would resume 10 am to Singapore.

Legit opportunity to get 4-6 hours of the night. I think.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the trip report. I've done a similar packed overnight in Singapore, arriving 2 am, just going directly to 4 Floors, hotel then takeoff again 9:30 am.

On my very first Surigao visit my return flight went you / S. Met an amazing girl that night in the airline's expense.

Serendipity rules.

BD.

Just a quick question: Google maps is showing Manila bay cafe as permanently closed. Can anyone confirm if that is right. I hope there is more places in the area than just LA Cafe. Anyone have any recent visits or report of other bars\spas\whatevers that is good for mongering?

FWIW, I paid under US $100 for several new Moto G4 (on sale), pretty much a world phone with all the possible bands. I can confirm that it works well in North America, Europe, and Asia (including China). I have my other primary "world phones" with much better cameras and specs like the Google offers and others; all made in China but costing much more. The G4 does not have an eSIM but is a great travelling phone. No big deal if it goes missing as everything is backed up on the internet and can be remotely erased. You might see some ladies sporting one if they don't mind the so so pictures.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2293049]What kind of phone did you get for $150?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Goferring;2293041]I paid US $ 150 on Ebay and its more than I need.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ogman;2297102]Just a quick question: Google maps is showing Manila bay cafe as permanently closed. Can anyone confirm if that is right. I hope there is more places in the area than just LA Cafe. Anyone have any recent visits or report of other bars\spas\whatevers that is good for mongering?[/QUOTE]You are talking about the same place. They just change the name back and forth. Still open.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297120]FWIW, I paid under US $100 for several new Moto G4 (on sale), pretty much a world phone with all the possible bands. I can confirm that it works well in North America, Europe, and Asia (including China). I have my other primary "world phones" with much better cameras and specs like the Google offers and others; all made in China but costing much more. The G4 does not have an eSIM but is a great travelling phone. No big deal if it goes missing as everything is backed up on the internet and can be remotely erased. You might see some ladies sporting one if they don't mind the so so pictures.[/QUOTE]The Moto G4 is an excellent cp for Philippines. It only uses a single sim but has great 4 g reception. I suggest you buy the tempered glass screen protector for it.

BTW, most all Moto cp work great in PH. Get the international models.

US phones are mostly one SIM as were the ones I got. Asian variants are usually dual SIM. The Asian variant was US $30+ more and did not come with a free USB QC 2.0 power bank. I love US sales! LOL! In fact, I buy many Asian manufactured electronics for US delivery because it can be 10 to30% cheaper than having an Asian or local delivery (even if I am within spitting distance of the factory). Go figure.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2297385]The Moto G4 is an excellent cp for Philippines. It only uses a single sim but has great 4 g reception. I suggest you buy the tempered glass screen protector for it.

BTW, most all Moto cp work great in PH. Get the international models.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2297385]The Moto G4 is an excellent cp for Philippines. It only uses a single sim but has great 4 g reception. I suggest you buy the tempered glass screen protector for it.

BTW, most all Moto cp work great in PH. Get the international models.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297120]FWIW, I paid under US $100 for several new Moto G4 (on sale), pretty much a world phone with all the possible bands. I can confirm that it works well in North America, Europe, and Asia (including China). I have my other primary "world phones" with much better cameras and specs like the Google offers and others; all made in China but costing much more. The G4 does not have an eSIM but is a great travelling phone. No big deal if it goes missing as everything is backed up on the internet and can be remotely erased. You might see some ladies sporting one if they don't mind the so so pictures.[/QUOTE]I have been mulling over the idea of buying a 2nd phone dedicated for travel & girls for a couple of months in anticipation of my next trip. On past trips I have just swapped out my USA sim card with a local sim card whenever I was out and about and not in my Wi-Fi hotel where an American sim card works just fine for Line, Viber, WeChat, and WhatsApp texts and conversations. The problem was outside of Wi-Fi range my American sim card is pretty useless, but I still needed my American sim card to deal with business back home, so I could not just leave a PI or Thai sim card in my phone until I returned home and the process of changing sim cards on an almost daily basis grows rather tiresome and annoying. So, I realized after my last trip I needed a 2nd phone. The only issue was what cell phone would be best for my needs and be the most cost productive.

My regular phone is a Samsung S8 which is the best smart phone I have ever owned. I realize the S9 is marginally better and the S10 is probably significantly better, but I have no interest in upgrading at this point. The S8 is great and will remain my primary cell phone for some time to come. So, I wanted to spend less for a 2nd phone, but I still wanted a quality phone that could take respectable pics of girls, had a decent battery life, and a workable operating system. So, I first looked at older model, yet still NEW Samsung models like the J6 or S6 which were considered top of the line phones at the time of their initial roll outs. In BKK the price for these older Samsungs was between 5,000 and 6,500 baht. Not bad, but then I took a look at the Motorola lineup particularly the Moto G phones which have always received the highest reviews in the "budget" phone category. I looked at the G5, G6 and the just issued G7. An unlocked G5 was under $185 and seemed to get better reviews all around than it's newer sibling the G6. Then I began reading up on the just released G7 which received much better reviews than either the G5 or G6 in terms of camera, battery life, and operating system which are the areas I am most concerned with. So in the end, I paid up for the G7. The price was $285 unlocked with no sim card direct from Motorola. The clincher for me was the zero interest rate offer from Moto which meant I will pay $13/ month for the G7 until it is paid off and in the meantime I have the best "budget" cell phone available.

My Moto G7 came last week. I bought a no contract / pay as you go plan with T Mobil for $3/ month so I could test the phone and set it up the way I want before my trip. The phone works great, battery is excellent, and software is running smoothly. It in now way looks or operates like a "budget" phone. I think Moto hit this one out of the ball park. I did upgrade for the Camera FV-5 app ($3. 95 at the Google store to improve the photography capabilities) and I am ready to go on my next trip phone wise. My Samsung S8 will be my American and Hotel Wi-Fi phone. My Moto G7 will be my out and about phone. I am sure I could have sufficed with the Moto G4 or G5, but what the hell, I plan to use my G7 for many years to come. It was a good buy especially at zero interest $13/month.

IMHO, I like dual SIM unless a good sale in the US (one SIM models). All my flagship phones are dual and it is really convenient. You can now hide and have different users on the Androids (Mr. Hyde and Dr. Jekyll). The Moto cameras are not that good. Hence the flagship phones.

I am actually going to get a China Mi phone to try. Half the price of a similar Samsung and probably half the cpu speed. But hey, I don't play games on my phones. And under USD100. You should give Fi a test. Speeds better than TM.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2297412]My Moto G7 came last week. I bought a no contract / pay as you go plan with T Mobil for $3/ month so I could test the phone and set it up the way I want before my trip. The phone works great, battery is excellent, and software is running smoothly. It in now way looks or operates like a "budget" phone. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297450]IMHO, I like dual SIM unless a good sale in the US (one SIM models). All my flagship phones are dual and it is really convenient. You can now hide and have different users on the Androids (Mr. Hyde and Dr. Jekyll). The Moto cameras are not that good. Hence the flagship phones.

I am actually going to get a China Mi phone to try. Half the price of a similar Samsung and probably half the cpu speed. But hey, I don't play games on my phones. And under USD100. You should give Fi a test. Speeds better than TM.[/QUOTE]A dual sim phone makes a lot of sense. Samsung S8's & S9's manufactured for the Asian market are dual sim, but not the American models. You can buy an "international" unlocked brand new Samsung from Amazon, but it does not come with a warranty and the buyer should be aware of this before making the purchase. I think a better idea, if you are a frequent traveler, would be making the purchase from a licensed store in Thailand, Japan, HKG, or the PI for one of these dual sim card flagship phones and getting the warranty.

Good luck with the China Mi phone. Let us know how it works out.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297450]IMHO, I like dual SIM unless a good sale in the US (one SIM models). All my flagship phones are dual and it is really convenient. .....[/QUOTE]

Another option is to buy a model or two back in the flagship line. I recently bought a pair of Samsung S8+ (dual sims) to replace a pair of S5's (one dual one single) and they were less that $500 on Amazon plus shipping. Both cost less than a new middle level S10+ is today and have all the features I need. (The two phones were about what I paid for the single sim S5 in Dubai back in 2014 when it was top of the line.)

Splurge another $30 on a classy looking case and you are set.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2297470]Another option is to buy a model or two back in the flagship line. I recently bought a pair of Samsung S8+ (dual sims) to replace a pair of S5's (one dual one single) and they were less that $500 on Amazon plus shipping. Both cost less than a new middle level S10+ is today and have all the features I need. (The two phones were about what I paid for the single sim S5 in Dubai back in 2014 when it was top of the line.)

Splurge another $30 on a classy looking case and you are set.[/QUOTE]Usually the cell phones are less expensive in the states than in PH. PH adds the import tax on it (38%.

Moto brand is not available in PH. I just picked up a couple Moto G4 for my next trip. Contrary to what some people here may think the PH girls think Moto is a great brand. All that matters is what they think and my wallet.

I personally use a second hand iPhone 6. I hook it up to the iCloud and can get imessages from stateside. I get mostly LTE service through out PH with it. Last year I lost one to a pickpocketer in a AC jeepney. I picked up an unlocked used IP 6 for $200.

I should mention that the power banks themselves were listed on Amazxn for USD30. So one could say each phone was less than USD70. (I don't remember for sure, but the package was either USD99 or USD89. You were limited to 2 so I had others order for me after I tested mine out) And this was a couple years back. For those looking, there are better budget world phones now on sale. But those QC power banks are great. The girls like them because it even charges regular phones up very quickly. The power banks I have now for personal use have PD and QC so they can also juice up iPhones fast. Just keep an eye out for US sales.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297403]US phones are mostly one SIM as were the ones I got. Asian variants are usually dual SIM. The Asian variant was US $30+ more and did not come with a free USB QC 2.0 power bank. I love US sales! LOL! In fact, I buy many Asian manufactured electronics for US delivery because it can be 10 to30% cheaper than having an Asian or local delivery (even if I am within spitting distance of the factory). Go figure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297403]US phones are mostly one SIM as were the ones I got. Asian variants are usually dual SIM. The Asian variant was US $30+ more and did not come with a free USB QC 2.0 power bank. I love US sales! LOL! In fact, I buy many Asian manufactured electronics for US delivery because it can be 10 to30% cheaper than having an Asian or local delivery (even if I am within spitting distance of the factory). Go figure.[/QUOTE]The US phones do not have the LTE bands for the Philippines. The international phones do have the proper LTE or 4 g bands for Philippines. But you do need to check the specs for it. I believe the LTE bands are B1, B3 and B5, which would cover the different carriers.

This is mine. Specifically a US G4 Play. Bottom end of G4 line. Had to look it up.

LTE (FDD): Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12,13, 17,25, 26.

LTE (TDD): Bands 41.

And.

CDMA: 800,1900 MHz.

GSM: 850,900, 1800,1900 MHz.

UMTS: 850,900, 1700/2100, 1800,1900, 2100 MHz.

I don't remember exactly but was confirmed on a forum work on at least one of the CMDA carriers Verizon, Sprint, Boast.

Can't go at that price then.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2297807]The US phones do not have the LTE bands for the Philippines. The international phones do have the proper LTE or 4 g bands for Philippines. But you do need to check the specs for it. I believe the LTE bands are B1, B3 and B5, which would cover the different carriers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2297813]This is mine. Specifically a US G4 Play. Bottom end of G4 line. Had to look it up.

LTE (FDD): Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12,13, 17,25, 26.

LTE (TDD): Bands 41.

And.

CDMA: 800,1900 MHz.

GSM: 850,900, 1800,1900 MHz.

UMTS: 850,900, 1700/2100, 1800,1900, 2100 MHz.

I don't remember exactly but was confirmed on a forum work on at least one of the CMDA carriers Verizon, Sprint, Boast.

Can't go at that price then.[/QUOTE]Moto G4 Play works real good in PH.

There isn't any CMDA carriers in PH.

Jenny is one of my got to girls for an evening relaxation.

She is 5'2" thin and quite pretty.

Face: 7/10.

Body: 7.5/10.

Attitude: 10/10.

Sex: 8/10.

WIR, yes whenever I am feeling too tired and need to get pampered a bit.

PM me for digits, for old experienced members only.

GC.

[QUOTE=GastonCastano;2298240]Jenny is one of my got to girls for an evening relaxation.

She is 5'2" thin and quite pretty.

Face: 7/10.

Body: 7.5/10.

Attitude: 10/10.

Sex: 8/10.

WIR, yes whenever I am feeling too tired and need to get pampered a bit.

PM me for digits, for old experienced members only.

GC.[/QUOTE]Gaston, are you sure you can receive private messages? I tried to send to you. Would appreciate the contact if you can send direct to me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stargm;2298435]Gaston, are you sure you can receive private messages? I tried to send to you. Would appreciate the contact if you can send direct to me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]True. Your PM is deactivated. Will be thankful if you can share the digits.

A few minutes ago me and my girlfriends were heading in. The Grab stopped at a traffic signal and to the right was two of those places I always see with Christmas lights around the door. I told her that I wanted to go to one of those places. She said I bet you do, assuming I already knew what it was. I said what is it. She did not want to tell me but I am persistant. She said it is called a beer house. You can go there and drink beer and pay women for sex. Why have I never seen those places discussed here? I see tons of them and have always just assumed they were regular local neighborhood bars.

I had paid my hotel through hotels dot com. When we arrived at the hotel, they wanted a 1000 peso deposit. Not wanting to give away my cash, I told them to put it on my Amex. They said they only take Visa and MC.

Always wondering what happens if you do not pay a deposit, I decided to test the waters. I said so you are not going to allow me to stay here? The girl went to the back to talk to someone and came back and said if I got anything at the bar or restaurant then I would have to pay for it on the spot. I said okay and she gave us the key to our room.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300822]The girl went to the back to talk to someone and came back and said if I got anything at the bar or restaurant then I would have to pay for it on the spot. I said okay and she gave us the key to our room.[/QUOTE]I think it is just a minibar deposit. Did your room have a minibar full of overpriced items?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300822]I had paid my hotel through hotels dot com. When we arrived at the hotel, they wanted a 1000 peso deposit. Not wanting to give away my cash, I told them to put it on my Amex. They said they only take Visa and MC.

Always wondering what happens if you do not pay a deposit, I decided to test the waters. I said so you are not going to allow me to stay here? The girl went to the back to talk to someone and came back and said if I got anything at the bar or restaurant then I would have to pay for it on the spot. I said okay and she gave us the key to our room.[/QUOTE]It is common practice everywhere to take a deposit on credit card for incidentals. In Philippines they generally want cash deposit 1000 pesos per day. I guess they are afraid you will take their towels, sheets, pillows in addition to what's in the fridge and snacks They will give cash back on check out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300822]I had paid my hotel through hotels dot com. When we arrived at the hotel, they wanted a 1000 peso deposit. Always wondering what happens if you do not pay a deposit, I decided to test the waters. I said so you are not going to allow me to stay here?[/QUOTE]No cause for you resorting to gross rudeness.

I always tell them (no matter where) that I haven't changed into local currency yet, could they wait 'til I get unpacked and go out? It's moot after that — most all the time. Only issue with deposits is. If they 'forget' to give it back. In a checkout hurry, you may forget. At Central Park Tower in AC, take note: the reception girls seem to make a habit of forgetting to offer to refund your deposit, almost like they're fishing for it, as a tip.

Good scoop Mr. E.

Hope to hear of your beer house discoveries soon on the forum.

Vic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300818]A few minutes ago me and my girlfriends were heading in. The Grab stopped at a traffic signal and to the right was two of those places I always see with Christmas lights around the door. I told her that I wanted to go to one of those places. She said I bet you do, assuming I already knew what it was. I said what is it. She did not want to tell me but I am persistant. She said it is called a beer house. You can go there and drink beer and pay women for sex. Why have I never seen those places discussed here? I see tons of them and have always just assumed they were regular local neighborhood bars.[/QUOTE]

They are seedy and dark and dangerous especially if you foreign. They have been around a long time. When I first went several decades ago, some locals took me. And everyone was a little edgy because we hit like 3 before picking one they felt comfortable in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300818]have I never seen those places discussed here? I see tons of them and have always just assumed they were regular local neighborhood bars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300818]A few minutes ago me and my girlfriends were heading in. The Grab stopped at a traffic signal and to the right was two of those places I always see with Christmas lights around the door. I told her that I wanted to go to one of those places. She said I bet you do, assuming I already knew what it was. I said what is it. She did not want to tell me but I am persistant. She said it is called a beer house. You can go there and drink beer and pay women for sex. Why have I never seen those places discussed here? I see tons of them and have always just assumed they were regular local neighborhood bars.[/QUOTE]There are many of these beer bars around ermita. In fact some of them on the same street as LA cafe, Del Pilar Street. I had the pleasure of going in there few years ago.

To be truthful they are not brothels. They have reasonably pretty girls to entice you to come in. Drinks are overpriced. Set up is like Karaoke but they do not have karaoke machines. Girls will sit with you, drink with you, talk with you, joke with you, touch you enticingly but no grabbing. There are tough looking bouncers. Idea is to make money by getting you drunk. I did not see many customers when I went in. I was enticed in by a very pretty girl. I had couple of beers (expensive) bought the girl a drink (expensive) talked, got her phone number with a promise of hook up after work. I did not call her.

Sure enough next evening I get a text from her asking me to come to the bar. At that time I was in LA cafe and I texted her saying she can come to my hotel (Bayview Park) after work and we can spend time together and I will give her money. She said she will let me know. At that point I said I am in the process of getting a girl and if she is not interested she should tell me. Many texts saying I need to come to her bar and once she gets to know me she will go with me. I said no.

In conclusion it is like bait to get you in, sell you overpriced drinks. At least in karaoke you might have a chance to take a girl you are a big spender. I have done that in China. Also a girl I met on the street duped me but that is another story.

Curious if there are freelancers in this mall?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2301978]Curious if there are freelancers in this mall?[/QUOTE]Yes, they stand near the escalators located just inside the entrance on Pedro Gil street (across from the Starbucks in the mall). Sometimes there is a mama with them.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2302188]Yes, they stand near the escalators located just inside the entrance on Pedro Gil street (across from the Starbucks in the mall). Sometimes there is a mama with them.[/QUOTE]If you walk out that door and to the right there are more under that breezeway next to the street than there are inside.

There are lots of FLs in the mall. As you enter from Pedro Gill, you will find them on the right, near the escalators and on the way to the departmental stores. You will also notice some go up and down the escalators as if they have come for shopping but in fact they are trying to hook up with someone.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2301978]Curious if there are freelancers in this mall?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300818]A few minutes ago me and my girlfriends were heading in. The Grab stopped at a traffic signal and to the right was two of those places I always see with Christmas lights around the door. I told her that I wanted to go to one of those places. She said I bet you do, assuming I already knew what it was. I said what is it. She did not want to tell me but I am persistant. She said it is called a beer house. You can go there and drink beer and pay women for sex. Why have I never seen those places discussed here? I see tons of them and have always just assumed they were regular local neighborhood bars.[/QUOTE]Probably because most of the info is discussed on pm.

Not sure it is called a beer house, but beer houses do exist here in Malate also. Actually what you saw may have been what the locals call casa. Although it is not the casa like before, it still is a boarding house for girls (they sleep upstairs or in the back) that work the trade, and it is also a bar where you can buy drinks and ladies drinks. Same as the bars in ac you can poke your head in pick a girl, pay the mommie and off you go with the girl. Or you can go in buy a bunch of girls a drink and make your selection.

In the main area of Malate I know of 5 of these types of bars, there are probably more, just haven't needed to go looking since the selection of opportunity is so high in Malate. Don't count on the selection to be great all the time, but it is very convenient, and economical to pull a girl from those bars, just do your interview well.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2301978]Curious if there are freelancers in this mall?[/QUOTE]There use to be a huge herd of them (and yes I mean herd) before right where the smoking area is in front of Starbucks. They will gather at night. About a year or so ago security has been pushing them off property, and they have been migrating to the corner. You can still find them at night, even though the herd has gotten smaller and more spread out, but really, of all the years I have been playing in Malate, I have never seen anything from the herd that I would be interested in yet. This could be because I am not at the mall in the late evening but for sure early evening and day is a total bust. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so don't let me discourage you from checking it out.

I'm pretty sure that anything north of Pedro Gil would be Ermita. That would mean all of Robinsons Mall. Malate is south of P. Gil.

I've used are. Mall as a meeting place many times with gals I met online. As for direct P4P at the mall, only twice. The first time was a gal who was giving eye contact just outside the Pedro Gil entrance. I was about to go talk to her since she was quite good looking. Suddenly, an older woman cornered my target and started talking about religion. Very frustrating. I waited and my patience was rewarded. We had our fun at Cherry Blossoms Hotel, which was the first and last time I stayed there. The gal wasn't very enthusiastic. She struck me as someone who had an urgent need for cash and just wanted to get it over with.

The second time was shortly after closing and a young, cute looking stunner was with two other gals and someone we might call Mama, or M.

X: Hello.

M: You want girl?

X: Sure, how much?

M: Up to you.

X: How about P1200? (I don't remember exactly, but I started low and was expecting a bit of nego).

M: Okay.

Unfortunately, Ms. Cute then objected angrily to M. So now we are in a very public place and they are making a scene. I just walked away. I guess my opening bid should have been a bit more generous.

I'll agree with Transporter, you should go to the mall for regular shopping. But you never know! X Man.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2302265]There use to be a huge herd of them (and yes I mean herd) before right where the smoking area is in front of Starbucks. They will gather at night. About a year or so ago security has been pushing them off property, and they have been migrating to the corner. You can still find them at night, even though the herd has gotten smaller and more spread out, but really, of all the years I have been playing in Malate, I have never seen anything from the herd that I would be interested in yet. This could be because I am not at the mall in the late evening but for sure early evening and day is a total bust. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so don't let me discourage you from checking it out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;2302404]I'll agree with Transporter, you should go to the mall for regular shopping. But you never know! X Man.[/QUOTE]Which is what you did. They should have had a 3 for 2 offer or some such. The quality of merchandise varies a lot in Robisons and you confirm that. Maybe they should have been at the 99 PHP store. Got to watch the exchange conmen there. Always report them to security.

Roaming the Manila thread for my upcoming trip (contributed reports on my past PP / Cambodia trip) and I came across countless mobile phone and phone card posts. Super annoying and useless IMHO. Here is why: the cheapest gal someone rents will cost a many multiple of a phone card one can get at any airport. Bring a phone that is unlocked, case closed. It's really that simple. Being a cheap Charlie is one thing but hackling over 50 or 100 p for better deals is embarrassing. Takes a lot of fun away from reading the otherwise awesome field reports, especially those by the dinosaurs in our profession, whom I worship and highly respect for their wit and humor.

[QUOTE=FrancoCan;2303015]Roaming the Manila thread for my upcoming trip (contributed reports on my past PP / Cambodia trip) and I came across countless mobile phone and phone card posts. Super annoying and useless IMHO. Here is why: the cheapest gal someone rents will cost a many multiple of a phone card one can get at any airport. Bring a phone that is unlocked, case closed. It's really that simple. Being a cheap Charlie is one thing but hackling over 50 or 100 p for better deals is embarrassing. Takes a lot of fun away from reading the otherwise awesome field reports, especially those by the dinosaurs in our profession, whom I worship and highly respect for their wit and humor.[/QUOTE]Dumb posts about smart phones. 50 pesos saved is 50 pesos earned (to some). Time is money. Some people's time is worth 50 pesos. Not mine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300818]A few minutes ago me and my girlfriends were heading in. The Grab stopped at a traffic signal and to the right was two of those places I always see with Christmas lights around the door. I told her that I wanted to go to one of those places. She said I bet you do, assuming I already knew what it was. I said what is it. She did not want to tell me but I am persistant. She said it is called a beer house. You can go there and drink beer and pay women for sex. Why have I never seen those places discussed here? I see tons of them and have always just assumed they were regular local neighborhood bars.[/QUOTE]I landed in Manila the other night. Grab driver drove thru Paranque and I noticed the beer bar lights. Seen them before but never gave them any thought. I asked the driver about them and he said they are known as Paranque bars. There are 2-3 blocks of them. You don't see any girls or barkers outside but the front doors are open. Really can't see anything as the bars are pretty dark inside. Driver said a few weeks ago he had passenger ask about them as he drove by. The guy decided to get a 2 star hotel there next to the bars. Passenger said it was foreigner friendly and took many girls from the bar for 4 K.

I myself would not venture there. That's what I got 3rd hand.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2303261]Dumb posts about smart phones. 50 pesos saved is 50 pesos earned (to some). Time is money. Some people's time is worth 50 pesos. Not mine.[/QUOTE]PI has one of the most expensive data plans in Asia and some of the slowest and worst coverage. I am not sure if they banned Hawaii but low cost is one way to build a better network. Off hand, government usually have the best startup and service until private catches up and piggy back off the government infrastructures.

Switches used to be very expensive. Now, in the US, many new houses come pre-wired with places for power and switches right next to the line in to hard wire connect everything. Optional to have someone install everything for you for plug and play. Heck, you can build your panic room right there.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2303605]I myself would not venture there. That's what I got 3rd hand.[/QUOTE]Some locals will not admit to going but did try in my younger days. Take one for the team and report back! LOL.

I am coming to Manila for a 10 day getaway. But I am yet to fix on a place to stay. Can you guys help with that? My initial plan was to settle down in BGC. A few of my friends suggested Gramercy instead. Some suggested Poblacion. A girl whom I befriended on a dating site suggested pasay. I have the airbnb website open in front of me, but the huge list of options are bewildering.

I want to have a nice time. Women. Booze. Partying and I want to play it safe.

Please help.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2305210]I am coming to Manila for a 10 day getaway. But I am yet to fix on a place to stay. Can you guys help with that? My initial plan was to settle down in BGC. A few of my friends suggested Gramercy instead. Some suggested Poblacion. A girl whom I befriended on a dating site suggested pasay. I have the airbnb website open in front of me, but the huge list of options are bewildering.

I want to have a nice time. Women. Booze. Partying and I want to play it safe.

Please help.[/QUOTE]One option is Burgos, many clubs around if you like, greenbelt not far away with girls hanging around on evening, many hotels around.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2305210]I am coming to Manila for a 10 day getaway. But I am yet to fix on a place to stay. Can you guys help with that? My initial plan was to settle down in BGC. A few of my friends suggested Gramercy instead. Some suggested Poblacion. A girl whom I befriended on a dating site suggested pasay. I have the airbnb website open in front of me, but the huge list of options are bewildering.

I want to have a nice time. Women. Booze. Partying and I want to play it safe.

Please help.[/QUOTE]Why don't you split your time 50/50 across Ermita and Makati? They are the two main mongering zones. Ermita gives you LA Cafe, access to EDSA and various smaller clubs. Makati gives you Burgos Street and freelancers at Greenbelt.

Dear All,

I have been flying on and off last year to Manila and stay all the time at AG new world Manila bay hotel (formerly Hyatt), most of the time I monger and pick up girls at La Cafe, although try to explore freelancer at Robinson but have once encounter they are just not fun to be with, very commercial, trying to find many customers in a night, not my types.

I have seen several small bar like place along the alley around my said hotel, I wonder are they beer houses or what? Dare not to try as they have some girls outside and some guys too. Anyone can share their thoughts?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2305449]Dear All,

I have been flying on and off last year to Manila and stay all the time at AG new world Manila bay hotel (formerly Hyatt), most of the time I monger and pick up girls at La Cafe, although try to explore freelancer at Robinson but have once encounter they are just not fun to be with, very commercial, trying to find many customers in a night, not my types.

I have seen several small bar like place along the alley around my said hotel, I wonder are they beer houses or what? Dare not to try as they have some girls outside and some guys too. Anyone can share their thoughts?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]If you are staying at the old Hyatt, then you are surrounded by KTV bars.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2305530]If you are staying at the old Hyatt, then you are surrounded by KTV bars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reply.

Any idea over the modus operendi of those KTV bar? I saw some looks cater for Japanese and some seems to have locals. Any advise?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2305381]Why don't you split your time 50/50 across Ermita and Makati? They are the two main mongering zones. Ermita gives you LA Cafe, access to EDSA and various smaller clubs. Makati gives you Burgos Street and freelancers at Greenbelt.[/QUOTE]You are right Mr. Driver. That's what I would do.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2305210]I am coming to Manila for a 10 day getaway. But I am yet to fix on a place to stay. Can you guys help with that? My initial plan was to settle down in BGC. A few of my friends suggested Gramercy instead. Some suggested Poblacion. A girl whom I befriended on a dating site suggested pasay. I have the airbnb website open in front of me, but the huge list of options are bewildering.

I want to have a nice time. Women. Booze. Partying and I want to play it safe.

Please help.[/QUOTE]I personally like staying in Makati near Greenbelt. From the airport, it's a quick ride on the freeway. From my hotel, in walking distance, there are supermarkets to buy drinks and snacks, 4 malls for whatever I may need, John Barber's to get a cut and a shave and tons of restaurants. I especially like the fact that there is a 24 pancake house that I can walk to. I find the area to be nicely located, generally safe even at night and pretty much free from street peddlers. It's super close to Cafe Havana, down the street from Burgos and semi close to EDSA. I'm going to Manila in a week and I'm comfortable with my go-to spot. I plan to hit Burgos, EDSA and partake in my regular outcall agencies. I tried staying in Passay and thought it was ok. It's close to EDSA and Air Force 1 and somewhat close to LA Cafe but I found it hard to get around by foot to anything during the day and had to take Lift rides everywhere. I also stayed in Villamor because it was close to the airport but hated it because it's far from the night life.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2305381]Why don't you split your time 50/50 across Ermita and Makati? They are the two main mongering zones. Ermita gives you LA Cafe, access to EDSA and various smaller clubs. Makati gives you Burgos Street and freelancers at Greenbelt.[/QUOTE]Fantastic advice, I always do this. I have often included the Timog Circle area which gives you access to the Quezon City scene, the Chinatown area which gives you access to the Rizal ave and Tondo areas (innumerable poor, young girls ready to wait on you hand and cock) and finally the EDSA / Roxas area for the EDSA Entertainment Zone and easy access to the airport and fancy casinos, but close to the MRT. LRT for escaping back into the city when needed.

[QUOTE=Free2;2305621]<SNIP> and Tondo areas (innumerable poor, young girls ready to wait on you hand and cock) <SNIP>[/QUOTE]I'm sure you could get a few young hotties for the price of a bowl of delicious pagpag in Tondo. After lunch, they could then accompany you on a hiking trek across the great Smokey Mountains. LOL.

Can't agree more. I stay at Sunny Bay suites which is close to LA Cafe for Ermita and right next to Greenbelt mall near Havana Cafe, about 50/50.

On another note, has anyone ever run into a lady who often frequents bars in Ermita within walking distance from LA Cafe. She calls herself the "Queen of Puerto Galera" (wink wink pretty obvious what she did there for years). She is an early 40's MILF but super sexy and still tight even though her superior skills definitely point to lots of mileage. I met her once and she was awesome but lost her contact. Also forgot the name of the bar near LA Cafe (not LA Cafe itself). She is a freelancer. Anyone who has ever done her and would know of her whereabouts? I will be in Manila shortly and want to bang her again.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2305381]Why don't you split your time 50/50 across Ermita and Makati? They are the two main mongering zones. Ermita gives you LA Cafe, access to EDSA and various smaller clubs. Makati gives you Burgos Street and freelancers at Greenbelt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FrancoCan;2305794]Can't agree more. I stay at Sunny Bay suites which is close to LA Cafe for Ermita and right next to Greenbelt mall near Havana Cafe, about 50/50.

On another note, has anyone ever run into a lady who often frequents bars in Ermita within walking distance from LA Cafe. She calls herself the "Queen of Puerto Galera" (wink wink pretty obvious what she did there for years). She is an early 40's MILF but super sexy and still tight even though her superior skills definitely point to lots of mileage. I met her once and she was awesome but lost her contact. Also forgot the name of the bar near LA Cafe (not LA Cafe itself). She is a freelancer. Anyone who has ever done her and would know of her whereabouts? I will be in Manila shortly and want to bang her again.[/QUOTE]If this was a while back I would say try Amazonia, but since it is closed now, the next most probable place would be G point.

Thanks a lot for the pointer. Will check it out. It was a smaller bar with just pool table and they had a Mexican or Greek salad that was awesome, that's all I remember of that bar. My eyes caught her sitting on a high chair and dangling her sexy heels and I slipped her a note with my phone number when I walked out. Few minutes later she sent me an sms and then we talked on the phone about how she thought I was handing her some trash or so when she later noticed it to be my phone number. She came over to Sunny Bay Suite and I let her take an HIV and Std self test with the kit I brought because I was really looking to shag her without protection. Boy, was she worth it. Women like her are the ultimate reward for a lifelong effort to avoid lazy ass millennial and other gals. She knew how to work her body and made me cum three times in the 2 hours she was with me. I love MILFs, they just really know how to handle a horny guy. I have not touched any Pinay under 30 ever since. But don't get me wrong, I am not into grannies either.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2306276]If this was a while back I would say try Amazonia, but since it is closed now, the next most probable place would be G point.[/QUOTE]

I've RTFF and know this is in the wrong thread.

I'd appreciate some advice on Quezon City. I'm thinking of spending a couple of nights in QC to check out the scene. Should I be staying along Timog Avenue or Aurora Boulevard, Cubao for better mongering action. I'm not really into KTVs. I'm looking for bars with girls you can barfine, bars with freelancers. Another monger recently wrote about his positive experience at Bang Bang-ali Bar, just off Aurora. I appreciate that patrons will all be Filipinos and understand the risks, but am really curious.

Also, if my international flight is leaving at 8. 00 pm at NAIA, what time should I be leaving QC by cab?

[QUOTE=FrancoCan;2306369]Thanks a lot for the pointer. Will check it out. It was a smaller bar with just pool table and they had a Mexican or Greek salad that was awesome, that's all I remember of that bar. My eyes caught her sitting on a high chair and dangling her sexy heels and I slipped her a note with my phone number when I walked out. Few minutes later she sent me an sms and then we talked on the phone about how she thought I was handing her some trash or so when she later noticed it to be my phone number. She came over to Sunny Bay Suite and I let her take an HIV and Std self test with the kit I brought because I was really looking to shag her without protection. Boy, was she worth it. Women like her are the ultimate reward for a lifelong effort to avoid lazy ass millennial and other gals. She knew how to work her body and made me cum three times in the 2 hours she was with me. I love MILFs, they just really know how to handle a horny guy. I have not touched any Pinay under 30 ever since. But don't get me wrong, I am not into grannies either.[/QUOTE]So I guess if the test makes you feel better go for it, but the odds of a male catching HIV during sex from a female are over 10000 to 1. You can google it.

[QUOTE=RpTraveller;2305210]I am coming to Manila for a 10 day getaway. But I am yet to fix on a place to stay. Can you guys help with that? My initial plan was to settle down in BGC. A few of my friends suggested Gramercy instead. Some suggested Poblacion. A girl whom I befriended on a dating site suggested pasay. I have the airbnb website open in front of me, but the huge list of options are bewildering.

I want to have a nice time. Women. Booze. Partying and I want to play it safe.

Please help.[/QUOTE]You didn't mention price, but, if that isn't much of an issue, the old Hyatt on Mabini and Pedro Gil is an excellent option for Ermita and LA Cafe as well as the EDSA Entertainment Complex. A hotel the girls really like in Makati near Burgos is the I M Hotel on Kalayaan and Makati Ave. It's quite close to most of the action over there including the Royal (freelancers) which caters to a younger crowd, and the I M Hotel has an pool overlooking Makati Ave which the girls also really like.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2306694]I've RTFF and know this is in the wrong thread.

I'd appreciate some advice on Quezon City. I'm thinking of spending a couple of nights in QC to check out the scene. Should I be staying along Timog Avenue or Aurora Boulevard, Cubao for better mongering action. I'm not really into KTVs. I'm looking for bars with girls you can barfine, bars with freelancers. Another monger recently wrote about his positive experience at Bang Bang-ali Bar, just off Aurora. I appreciate that patrons will all be Filipinos and understand the risks, but am really curious.

Also, if my international flight is leaving at 8. 00 pm at NAIA, what time should I be leaving QC by cab?[/QUOTE]There is so much to partake in that area and if you don't use the rail, it is going to be time consuming moving around during the daytime. I would say anywhere between trinoma and farmers market should be good hunting grounds, but if you are looking for bars that you can BF girls, then I really don't know. I do a lot of hunting in the area, but no bar fining, its all pick ups. Makati, Malate, and Pasay all yes to bars with barfines, QC I will have to take a look around next time I am there.

I am not sure you would want to depart from QC if it is an international flight, as normally they would like you to show up 3 hours prior to get through security and everything. Depending upon where in QC you will be departing from time will vary, but to be safe I would allot 2 hours (for example balintawak hour or less, fairview 3 hours, san juan absolutely no idea since traffic is total fubar). I would suggest staying your last night closer to the airport.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2310127]There is so much to partake in that area and if you don't use the rail, it is going to be time consuming moving around during the daytime. I would say anywhere between trinoma and farmers market should be good hunting grounds, but if you are looking for bars that you can BF girls, then I really don't know. I do a lot of hunting in the area, but no bar fining, its all pick ups. Makati, Malate, and Pasay all yes to bars with barfines, QC I will have to take a look around next time I am there.

I am not sure you would want to depart from QC if it is an international flight, as normally they would like you to show up 3 hours prior to get through security and everything. Depending upon where in QC you will be departing from time will vary, but to be safe I would allot 2 hours (for example balintawak hour or less, fairview 3 hours, san juan absolutely no idea since traffic is total fubar). I would suggest staying your last night closer to the airport.[/QUOTE]Thanks Transporter, much appreciated. I will roll the dice and see what happens.

Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find a quality one.

[QUOTE=KY694;2311666]Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find a quality one.[/QUOTE]Manila beats KL on all your preferences esp for a new visitors.

Enjoy. G.

Hi KY,

Since you do not want to waste time on chatting and making connections, to simplify your life in KL, stick to Spa in KL hotels.

Just tell the manager OKT ALL your needs, the type of service and girls, he will make it happen.

You just need to pay the corresponding prices of course. With the currency in Malaysia being so low, it's still very do-able.

If you want to get lower prices, go to Chinatown area in KL and check out the massage boutiques, and don't be shy to ask clearly what you hope to have included in your service.

BBBJ and BBFS is not usual, unlike the Philippines.

Hope this helps.

Vic.

[QUOTE=KY694;2311666]Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find a quality one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KY694;2311666]Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find a quality one.[/QUOTE]G is correct. I've been to both. In fact, the best time I had in KL was with a Filipina who was working there as a doctor's assistant.

[QUOTE=KY694;2311666]Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find a quality one.[/QUOTE]Day and night. Heaven and hell. There is no place in KL similar to Burgos or EDSA or even LA Cafe. Some may argue Beach Club but that can't hold a candle to what you get in Manila.

Most important difference is the local girls in KL do not ***** themselves while the supply in Manila is totally indigenous. That makes a huge difference in terms of availability.

Someone mentioned price. I don't think KL is cheap for mongering by any standard. Places I mentioned above in Manila are expensive too but there are far cheaper options.

Suggest you RTFF a bit and make up your mind finally.

Hi there,

Thanks for the replies to my previous question.

I have read this forum a bit, I get some information but some other things are not clear to me.

I have many questions, don't worry, feel free to comment on only some aspects of my post.

Background: I will have around 4 days in Manila. Unfortunately I can only mobilise restricted amount of money, so I need to pay attention to the cost.

Afterward, I will be back to the sex prison country.

I am not old myself, I am eager to date a teen, even 18 years old. Where can you most likely to find them? I also prefer girls who are friendly and with a good attitude. To me, their attitude is probably more important than their face.

First of all, and most importantly, if any of you know cute girls with good attitude, and is willing to share the digit, please PM me.

If there is one nice girl, I am more than happy to stick to her alone for my whole trip. I enjoy the GFE more than the sex itself.

I cannot say I am rich, but I am certainly friendly and respectful.

Cost: From what I read, 20-50 USD seems to be the normal price range? I did not find for how many hours that price is referring to.

What is the best time of the day to find a girl?

Approaches:

1. From what I read, is walking into the LA cafe the most popular way to find a girl?

I am not attractive or something, if the girls are in circle talking, do you try to break into the circle and chat up with the girl you are interested in?

What is the usual procedure? Is the price different comparing take-out vs on-site?

I read about EDSA, G point and royal club, it seems to be less straightforward / more expensive to get a girl there, right? How about XOXO, what is that?

2. The other popular site seems to be P. Burgos Street. How is P. Burgos Street compared to LA cafe? Is it cheaper? Are the girls high quality? Or they are all the same.

How do you tell if the girls are up for business vs normal girls.

How about Greenbelt, what is it?

3. I saw some of you used DIA, I installed it and had a look. Most girls seem to be there to look for serious relationship.

So, it will probably take more time to find someone on DIA?

What other online app / websites I should use? Does wechat work there or it is a waste of time.

4. Some of you mentioned picking up girls (SW? Normal girls?) in Robinson Mall. Is that common? What is the success rate?

5. Some of you mentioned Tondo, Isn't that a slum?

Other questions:

1. Do you find Manila safe?

2. BBFS seems to be very common. How about the rate of STDs? What precautions do you guys take? Do you prepare condoms or the girls always have them.

3. Probably it won't happen for a short trip like mine, but I am very curious if you guys got any semi-pro (girls who do it only very occasionally, instead of seeing 3+ guys every day), what are the best way to find them?

[QUOTE=KY694;2311932]Hi there,

Thanks for the replies to my previous question.

I have read this forum a bit, I get some information but some other things are not clear to me.

I have many questions, don't worry, feel free to comment on only some aspects of my post.

Background: I will have around 4 days in Manila. Unfortunately I can only mobilise restricted amount of money, so I need to pay attention to the cost.

Afterward, I will be back to the sex prison country.

I am not old myself, I am eager to date a teen, even 18 years old. Where can you most likely to find them? I also prefer girls who are friendly and with a good attitude. To me, their attitude is probably more important than their face.

First of all, and most importantly, if any of you know cute girls with good attitude, and is willing to share the digit, please PM me.

If there is one nice girl, I am more than happy to stick to her alone for my whole trip. I enjoy the GFE more than the sex itself.

I cannot say I am rich, but I am certainly friendly and respectful.

Cost: From what I read, 20-50 USD seems to be the normal price range? I did not find for how many hours that price is referring to.

What is the best time of the day to find a girl?

Approaches:

1. From what I read, is walking into the LA cafe the most popular way to find a girl?

I am not attractive or something, if the girls are in circle talking, do you try to break into the circle and chat up with the girl you are interested in?

What is the usual procedure? Is the price different comparing take-out vs on-site?

I read about EDSA, G point and royal club, it seems to be less straightforward / more expensive to get a girl there, right? How about XOXO, what is that?

2. The other popular site seems to be P. Burgos Street. How is P. Burgos Street compared to LA cafe? Is it cheaper? Are the girls high quality? Or they are all the same.

How do you tell if the girls are up for business vs normal girls.

How about Greenbelt, what is it?

3. I saw some of you used DIA, I installed it and had a look. Most girls seem to be there to look for serious relationship.

So, it will probably take more time to find someone on DIA?

What other online app / websites I should use? Does wechat work there or it is a waste of time.

4. Some of you mentioned picking up girls (SW? Normal girls?) in Robinson Mall. Is that common? What is the success rate?

5. Some of you mentioned Tondo, Isn't that a slum?

Other questions:

1. Do you find Manila safe?

2. BBFS seems to be very common. How about the rate of STDs? What precautions do you guys take? Do you prepare condoms or the girls always have them.

3. Probably it won't happen for a short trip like mine, but I am very curious if you guys got any semi-pro (girls who do it only very occasionally, instead of seeing 3+ guys every day), what are the best way to find them?[/QUOTE]Lots of questions. I can answer a few and others may chip in.

Your budget per pop is on the low end, so you will have to restrict yourself to the freelancers at LA Cafe or the street walkers along Burgos Street. They will stay with you for short time at that price range. You will need $200 to collect a girl from a bar on Burgos Street for LT. EDSA will also be out of your price range. No point in in even entering unless you have the cash.

LA Cafe is a 24 hour sports / music bar in Ermita where freelancers will come to meet foreigners. All are semi-professional hookers. You just need to make eye contact. If she looks back at you for more than 3 seconds, the game is one. Just go up to her and negotiate the price. It will be between $30-50 for ST. Most will not be more than a 6 out of 10.

Burgos Street is the red light district in Makati. You can tell by the way the girls on the street dress if they are hookers. There are numerous gogo bars on Burgos Street. Plenty of massage girls and freelancers on the street will go with you for $30. Street girls will be low quality. The girls inside the bars will be high quality.

Manila is safe if you take precautions. Walk around in well lit, touristy places. Only take enough cash to cover that evening's entertainment. Don't wear jewellery or expensive watches. Never ever get into an argument. Always walk away, even if you end up being ripped off. Keep your phone / cash in your front pocket.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2312047]There are numerous gogo bars on Burgos Street. Plenty of massage girls and freelancers on the street will go with you for $30. Street girls will be low quality. The girls inside the bars will be high quality.[/QUOTE]KY,

No need to be paranoid but just be careful that many of the street girls are LBs. It's very easy to pick them when face to face.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2311909]

Most important difference is the local girls in KL do not ***** themselves while the supply in Manila is totally indigenous. That makes a huge difference in terms of availability.
[/QUOTE]Bumiputra Malay muslim girls cannot work as prostitutes by Sharia law. All of the hookers in KL are from Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, PRC and other Asian countries. Few Russians as well.

I've been to spa where there was a sign on the entrance that said Malay muslims cannot be served (Sharia law). So it seemed the patrons can only be local Indians, local Chinese or foreigners.

Do I have to pay an airport usage fee flying out of NAIA on an international flight?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2312070]Do I have to pay an airport usage fee flying out of NAIA on an international flight?[/QUOTE]Yes but it is already included in your ticket price for foreigners.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2312070]Do I have to pay an airport usage fee flying out of NAIA on an international flight?[/QUOTE]You do not have to pay it in cash. It is already in the ticket.

Thanks, sorry for asking so many questions in one post.

I am surprised that in PH girls ask for 200 USD, that's the price for a 6-7/10 in Europe (1 HR, 1-2 pop).

Just curious for a 8+ PH girl, say 2 hours, what would be the rate?

Thanks for the reply!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2312047]Lots of questions. I can answer a few and others may chip in.

Your budget per pop is on the low end, so you will have to restrict yourself to the freelancers at LA Cafe or the street walkers along Burgos Street. They will stay with you for short time at that price range. You will need $200 to collect a girl from a bar on Burgos Street for LT. EDSA will also be out of your price range. No point in in even entering unless you have the cash.

LA Cafe is a 24 hour sports / music bar in Ermita where freelancers will come to meet foreigners. All are semi-professional hookers. You just need to make eye contact. If she looks back at you for more than 3 seconds, the game is one. Just go up to her and negotiate the price. It will be between $30-50 for ST. Most will not be more than a 6 out of 10..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2312057]KY,

No need to be paranoid but just be careful that many of the street girls are LBs. It's very easy to pick them when face to face.[/QUOTE]OK.

Any more tips for finding gems in LAC or on the street / mall?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KY694;2311932]Hi there,

Thanks for the replies to my previous question.

I have read this forum a bit, I get some information but some other things are not clear to me.

I have many questions, don't worry, feel free to comment on only some aspects of my post.

.............. I also prefer girls who are friendly and with a good attitude. To me, their attitude is probably more important than their face.

First of all, and most importantly, if any of you know cute girls with good attitude, and is willing to share the digit, please PM me.

If there is one nice girl, I am more than happy to stick to her alone for my whole trip. I enjoy the GFE more than the sex itself.

........................
3. I saw some of you used DIA, I installed it and had a look. Most girls seem to be there to look for serious relationship.

So, it will probably take more time to find someone on DIA?

What other online app / websites I should use? Does wechat work there or it is a waste of time.

...............[/QUOTE]My comment, as you like GFE and attitude, may be DIA could be a good way. Personaly I don't have a long exp in Manila, only once, in P. Burgos, but I didn't enter any bars or clubs, I visited Greenblet also and didn't pick any girl there even if there were many ready to go.

In fact my suprise was to see that DIA contacts worked very well, all nights I had someone with me, all from DIA, some from old contacts long before coming there, one being a contact done in the afternoon and I spend the night with her, all very good exp, very GFE, no money asked, even if I gave 2 k for each night spent, and they were surprised, so I told them its only gift for you, by what you want with that. So they accepted.

If you make contacts before travelling just say Hello, to those you like, based on description or pics. All want long term relation, but many are ok for a short term at the end.

Just tell the truth, tell them are not looking for long term, give a good reason for that, or no reason, but be honest. Say you look to share your time and your visit there with someone. Some will say not interested, many will say ok. Then be crystal clear that when you say share, it will be also the bed. Sometimes I had some girls thinking they will act only as a tourist guide.

Don't talk about sex or money on DIA, ask for messenger or whatsapp ASAP, then you can talk about anything there.

If they ask for money first, just say no, and forget them. Only money when on the ground, not from abroad.

And if you use DIA on the ground, just send Hi, I am in Manila today, to all girls you like, and then same process, and luckily you can find good gems. Not many but its good to try.

There could be scams, and if any doubts just block them or stop chatting.

LB's also can be hiding, so be careful.

That was my exp and it works very fine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2312075]You do not have to pay it in cash. It is already in the ticket.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks. My pesos are down to a pittance.

[QUOTE=KY694;2311932]I have many questions, don't worry, feel free to comment on only some aspects of my post.[/QUOTE]KY,

I would add ro EDs advice as follows: 1) Yes, LA Cafe is open 24/7 and I have had some good finds there even early (6 AM). Some go there for a quickie before they start their real job. 2) Burgos is more expensive but better selection. EDSA, too. Greenbelt is a mall in Makati famous for pick up bar at night but I have never been there to Havana. G Point is a restaurant / bar with occasionally a good find at night. 3) I use Filipina Cupid but it is for pay unlike DIA. 4) Robinson Mall in Malate. Never saw anything I wanted there except store clerks who are available if you have some game and a phone. Manila is not particularly dangerous but stay sober at night, keep money in front pocket and only what you need. Wear condoms. Non-pros are everywhere. Four days is not much time. Next time plan a trip to Angeles which has everything in a small area / rows of P4P bars much larger and cheaper than Burgos. Good luck.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

I guess like Tinder, DIA works better for people who know how to play the game or are good-looking.

I will for sure give it a try and maybe hit LA cafe and Burgos on top of that.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2312098]My comment, as you like GFE and attitude, may be DIA could be a good way. Personaly I don't have a long exp in Manila, only once, in P. Burgos, but I didn't enter any bars or clubs, I visited Greenblet also and didn't pick any girl there even if there were many ready to go.

In fact my suprise was to see that DIA contacts worked very well, all nights I had someone with me, all from DIA, some from old contacts long before coming there, one being a contact done in the afternoon and I spend the night with her, all very good exp, very GFE, no money asked, even if I gave 2 k for each night spent, and they were surprised, so I told them its only gift for you, by what you want with that. So they accepted.

If you make contacts before travelling just say Hello, to those you like, based on description or pics. All want long term relation, but many are ok for a short term at the end.[/QUOTE]

Any tips on how to be successful on DIA?

I am on DIA for 2 days now, with a real photo and some lame description. No luck so far.

Appreciate it if you can share your story.

Do you know if I pick up someone from Burgos or the malls, do we then take a taxi to go to my place? Or they usually have some site on the spot.

I think in LA cafe, you can do either take out or incall, right?

[QUOTE=DCups;2312126]KY,

I would add ro EDs advice as follows: 1) Yes, LA Cafe is open 24/7 and I have had some good finds there even early (6 AM). Some go there for a quickie before they start their real job. 2) Burgos is more expensive but better selection. EDSA, too. Greenbelt is a mall in Makati famous for pick up bar at night but I have never been there to Havana. G Point is a restaurant / bar with occasionally a good find at night. 3) I use Filipina Cupid but it is for pay unlike DIA. 4) Robinson Mall in Malate. Never saw anything I wanted there except store clerks who are available if you have some game and a phone. Manila is not particularly dangerous but stay sober at night, keep money in front pocket and only what you need. Wear condoms. Non-pros are everywhere. Four days is not much time. Next time plan a trip to Angeles which has everything in a small area / rows of P4P bars much larger and cheaper than Burgos. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KY694;2312295]Any tips on how to be successful on DIA?

I am on DIA for 2 days now, with a real photo and some lame description. No luck so far.

Appreciate it if you can share your story.[/QUOTE]My modus operandi is as follows.

1. Hi, Hello,.

2. If they reply " coming to Philippine, are you interested in being with me ".

3. If they say yes, " what's your number ".

4. If they send number, " will call, do you have Skype or viber or any messaging service ".

5. If they do not I drop them because I like to chat cam to cam and discuss, if they do add them and start cam to cam chat and discuss sex, money compensation, how many days etc. I clearly state no money will be sent before meeting.

One word of warning. I have had no shows, dropped out sight, promise but no promises etc in spite of detailed discussions before. Do not take it serious.

What I do is line up as many girls as possible before visit even if I have one or two confirmed and agreed girls. I will have many phone numbers as back up.

I have no patience and will not wait for any girl to decide time and place. If they give the runaround I drop them. I will also have repeats from previous trips as back up.

I do not know why you have not gotten any interest from the girls. I get few likes, few Hi, etc every day. I go for mainly pretty girls and occasional ugly ones. Sometimes ugly ones give best sex.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=KY694;2312303]Do you know if I pick up someone from Burgos or the malls, do we then take a taxi to go to my place? Or they usually have some site on the spot.

I think in LA cafe, you can do either take out or incall, right?[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines so there is no incall at LA Cafe. It's a sports bar, not a brothel. The $200 for a girl at a Burgos gogo bar is for long time. How much does long time cost in Europe? More than $200 I bet. It includes three separate parts. The lady drink, the bar fine and the girls fee. The girl does not get the full $200.

Yes, you normally get a girl and take a taxi / grab or walk to your hotel.

Burgos Street and LA Cafe are not close to each other. You cannot simply go from one to another in one night. The traffic is really bad. Focus on one area per night.

If you walk around Robison Mall, you will definitely find some hookers for $20 ST. They will usually be ugly and may be even a bit unclean. A lot of homeless people wash themselves in the toilets as soon as the mall opens

[QUOTE=Sammon;2312327]My modus operandi is as follows.

2. If they reply " coming to Philippine, are you interested in being with me ".

One word of warning. I have had no shows, dropped out sight, promise but no promises etc in spite of detailed discussions before. Do not take it serious.

What I do is line up as many girls as possible before visit even if I have one or two confirmed and agreed girls. I will have many phone numbers as back up.
[/QUOTE]If you replace #2 with "I am near Glorietta, whould you like to catch up this afternoon" your no shows and false promises will plummet.

I've totally given up on "let's meet next month. " I'm Here Now and would like to meet Today is much much more reliable.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2312348]Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines so there is no incall at LA Cafe. It's a sports bar, not a brothel. The $200 for a girl at a Burgos gogo bar is for long time. How much does long time cost in Europe? More than $200 I bet. It includes three separate parts. The lady drink, the bar fine and the girls fee. The girl does not get the full $200.

Yes, you normally get a girl and take a taxi / grab or walk to your hotel.

Burgos Street and LA Cafe are not close to each other. You cannot simply go from one to another in one night. The traffic is really bad. Focus on one area per night.

If you walk around Robison Mall, you will definitely find some hookers for $20 ST. They will usually be ugly and may be even a bit unclean. A lot of homeless people wash themselves in the toilets as soon as the mall opens[/QUOTE]I'd agree. $200 includes a good night out and a full night's company. Burgos is not cheap so it's not the place to seek a cut price quicky on a dirty matress somewhere. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, just that Burgos bars are not the place to look for it.

Of course freelancers on the street are waaaaay cheaper.

[QUOTE=KY694;2312303]Do you know if I pick up someone from Burgos or the malls, do we then take a taxi to go to my place? Or they usually have some site on the spot.

I think in LA cafe, you can do either take out or incall, right?[/QUOTE]I think there is a short-time hotel near LAC but I don't know the name or where it is. I just stay at Rothman Hotel, a five to seven minute walk from LAC but be careful late at night. I usually pick my partner for the night by 10 PM.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2312363]I'd agree. $200 includes a good night out and a full night's company. Burgos is not cheap so it's not the place to seek a cut price quicky on a dirty matress somewhere. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, just that Burgos bars are not the place to look for it.

Of course freelancers on the street are waaaaay cheaper.[/QUOTE]Just beware that a lot of girls won't do Long Time. Some will say they will (so you will pay the bar fine), but then cop-out with a reason to cut it short.

Thanks for the reply. What you did makes a lot of sense.

I wonder how many of the picture on DIA are real (hiding a fat body / photoshopped / different girl altogether!

[QUOTE=Sammon;2312327]My modus operandi is as follows.

1. Hi, Hello,.

2. If they reply " coming to Philippine, are you interested in being with me ".

3. If they say yes, " what's your number ".

4. If they send number, " will call, do you have Skype or viber or any messaging service ".

5. If they do not I drop them because I like to chat cam to cam and discuss, if they do add them and start cam to cam chat and discuss sex, money compensation, how many days etc. I clearly state no money will be sent before meeting.

One word of warning. I have had no shows, dropped out sight, promise but no promises etc in spite of detailed discussions before. Do not take it serious.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are right. 150 euro for 1 hour for the expensive one in EU. What does long time means in Manila or AC 3 hours? Overnight?

Thanks for the tips!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2312348]Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines so there is no incall at LA Cafe. It's a sports bar, not a brothel. The $200 for a girl at a Burgos gogo bar is for long time. How much does long time cost in Europe? More than $200 I bet. It includes three separate parts. The lady drink, the bar fine and the girls fee. The girl does not get the full $200.

Yes, you normally get a girl and take a taxi / grab or walk to your hotel.

Burgos Street and LA Cafe are not close to each other. You cannot simply go from one to another in one night. The traffic is really bad. Focus on one area per night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2312361]If you replace #2 with "I am near Glorietta, whould you like to catch up this afternoon" your no shows and false promises will plummet.

I've totally given up on "let's meet next month. " I'm Here Now and would like to meet Today is much much more reliable.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Solid advice. Thanks.

[QUOTE=DCups;2312526]I think there is a short-time hotel near LAC but I don't know the name or where it is. I just stay at Rothman Hotel, a five to seven minute walk from LAC but be careful late at night. I usually pick my partner for the night by 10 PM.[/QUOTE]There was a ST hotel same side of the street as LA cafe. It was called bird something. Area used to be sketchy but nowadays quite safe except for street urchins begging. I have walked all hours of the night around there alone and with a girl and had no problems. Since they opened a police station close to LA cafe it has become safe. Only bad thing sometimes police get bored and start rounding up single girls on the streets. When this happens it is a funny sight like girls running helter skelter in all directions like running of the bulls in Pamplona. These are mostly mamasan offering girls outside and single girls going into or out of LA cafe.

[QUOTE=DCups;2312526]I think there is a short-time hotel near LAC but I don't know the name or where it is. I just stay at Rothman Hotel, a five to seven minute walk from LAC but be careful late at night. I usually pick my partner for the night by 10 PM.[/QUOTE]It's called "Brickstone". About 30 m along the street on same side as LAC.

600 php for 2 or 3 hour short-time. The girls know it.

The owner has around 10 of those small, yappy hairy terriers hanging around in the lobby and on the stairs.

The dogs are a bit distracting initially but they don't seem to have the usual dog odor and you can ignore them.

Watch the ceiling height. If you are tall like me you need to do the hunch-back crouch along the passage way.

Have you already been to the "chat rooms & pen pals" thread?

DIA. No naughty talk!

Since you're posting in Manila thread, I'll assume that is your focus. One of my first questions would be, "Where in Manila do you live?" Some might be quite far from the city. The question "Are you from Manila" might help you determine if she is independent, or living with family.

Get a fb or email or skype contact so that you can communicate more explicitly.

I usually meet them at the nearest mall because they will often show up late. It's easier for me to kill time. My fav story was the one I met on a rainy day at the mall. I suggested a coffee or a bite to eat. She said she wanted to change clothes. She was soaked from the knees down. Walked five minutes to my room and she took her jeans off as soon as she got in the door. I offered her a shirt to wear but she declined. Wearing red panties, she casually walked over to the bed and got in. That's were we spent most of the next two days. Great memories.

[QUOTE=KY694;2312295]Any tips on how to be successful on DIA?

I am on DIA for 2 days now, with a real photo and some lame description. No luck so far.

Appreciate it if you can share your story.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2312548]Just beware that a lot of girls won't do Long Time. Some will say they will (so you will pay the bar fine), but then cop-out with a reason to cut it short.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to street freelancers or bar girls? I'd agree that freelancers are pretty much ST only but I've never had issues with the bar fined girls. Not to say it doesn't happen though and it's certainly something I'm very clear on before paying anything.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2312876]Are you referring to street freelancers or bar girls? I'd agree that freelancers are pretty much ST only but I've never had issues with the bar fined girls. Not to say it doesn't happen though and it's certainly something I'm very clear on before paying anything.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]LT is never guaranteed in Angeles City and as the fee is paid upfront, runners are common. With a Burgos bar girl, the fee is paid at the end. If she runs off early, just pay her the ST fee. No big risk there. I had one Burgos girl that wanted to renege on the deal in the room. As she hadn't taken her panties down yet, I dragged her back to Bottoms and swapped her for a more compliant girl. Took a bit of effort with the mamasan, but it can be done.

[QUOTE=DCups;2312526]I think there is a short-time hotel near LAC but I don't know the name or where it is.[/QUOTE]The Brickstone is right next door to LA Cafe. I reported on it last year and attached the business card. The room I had was an apartment with bedroom, living room, kitchen, bathroom. It was actually pretty decent. I think I had to pay 700 or 800 for ST and for 1 day the cost was probably 1000 or 1200 or so.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2312876]Are you referring to street freelancers or bar girls? I'd agree that freelancers are pretty much ST only but I've never had issues with the bar fined girls. Not to say it doesn't happen though and it's certainly something I'm very clear on before paying anything.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I've never engaged a free lancer.

On my last trip I asked an EDSA girl if she'd stay overnight. I had already short timed her a few nights earlier so she knew what she was in for. Once we got to the room she started talking about her sister's birthday and how she'the like to go back and party with her. So we did ST. But she mis-represented her LT intentions so that I'd taker her instead of another girl willing to entertain my LT notions.

From reading the threads, I'm not the first that this has happened to, although it is more prevalent in AC.

Just stopped by EDSA and it seems Cotton Club is closed. Is that correct?

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2313034]Once we got to the room she started talking about her sister's birthday and how she'the like to go back and party with her. So we did ST.[/QUOTE]You fell for that one? As if these broads are not together in the damn bar every night drinking.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2313034]I've never engaged a free lancer.

On my last trip I asked an EDSA girl if she'd stay overnight. I had already short timed her a few nights earlier so she knew what she was in for. Once we got to the room she started talking about her sister's birthday and how she'the like to go back and party with her. So we did ST. But she mis-represented her LT intentions so that I'd taker her instead of another girl willing to entertain my LT notions.

From reading the threads, I'm not the first that this has happened to, although it is more prevalent in AC.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with Mr E.

If she knew the expectations, I would have just said that you got her for a morning romp so come back after her sister's party because payment will be in the morning.

It's not a regular occurrence but I have done it before. She will either decide that sis's birthday is not that important or go for an hour and come back. Obviously once cash is handed over, she's never to be seen again.

Such a great story about the girl in a rainy day!

Altho I will land in Manila, I am going straight to AC now. I changed my plan after getting some great advice here in ISG.

I am still doing DIA in AC. It may be a waste of time to do DIA in AC, but it is fun and I won't spend all my time on it.

After a day on DIA and around 60 messages, 9 girls replies and got 4 phone numbers from them.

These 4 are probably pro. They went straight to the point and gave me the phone number.

I will meet them and see if they match the photo or not.

I am also looking for semi-pro (only doing it occasionally for quick money, not full time girl), see if I am lucky or not.

[QUOTE=XMan;2312803]Have you already been to the "chat rooms & pen pals" thread?

DIA. No naughty talk!

Since you're posting in Manila thread, I'll assume that is your focus. One of my first questions would be, "Where in Manila do you live?" Some might be quite far from the city. The question "Are you from Manila" might help you determine if she is independent, or living with family.

Get a fb or email or skype contact so that you can communicate more explicitly.

I usually meet them at the nearest mall because they will often show up late. It's easier for me to kill time. My fav story was the one I met on a rainy day at the mall. I suggested a coffee or a bite to eat. She said she wanted to change clothes. She was soaked from the knees down. Walked five minutes to my room and she took her jeans off as soon as she got in the door. I offered her a shirt to wear but she declined. Wearing red panties, she casually walked over to the bed and got in. That's were we spent most of the next two days. Great memories.[/QUOTE]

Thought I'the give it one more try more specific area. Anyone know of any massage parlors near LA Cafe? Non legit. Thanks.

[QUOTE=KY694;2313112]
I am still doing DIA in AC. It may be a waste of time to do DIA in AC, but it is fun and I won't spend all my time on it.[/QUOTE]Online is definitely not a waste of time in AC, nor anywhere in PI for that matter. Expect many more hits when you're actually in town.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2313036]Just stopped by EDSA and it seems Cotton Club is closed. Is that correct?[/QUOTE]You should know Doc. You were there on the ground in-person.

I'm wondering why you are asking?

FYI, as reported in various places on ISG, the answer is "yes".

[QUOTE=Goferring;2313106]I'd agree with Mr E.

If she knew the expectations, I would have just said that you got her for a morning romp so come back after her sister's party because payment will be in the morning.

It's not a regular occurrence but I have done it before. She will either decide that sis's birthday is not that important or go for an hour and come back. Obviously once cash is handed over, she's never to be seen again.[/QUOTE]I didn't "fall for that". If the girl doesn't want to stay, then I don't want her to stay either. As far as returning, I'm not interested in being awoken in the early morning by texts, reception, etc. She was EDSA and the hotel was in Makati. I'm definitely not going to give her cab fare to return. Then I would have "fallen for that". I had fun with her and she got no more than what she earned. But I will give her a pass over if I return.

Hello,

I am in Manila.

I am looking for a bar in Manila to drink to play pool with people (customers, waitress, waiter like in Pattaya, BKK) and girls available.

Not la cafe in Ermita that I know well.

Thank you for your advice.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2313248]I didn't "fall for that". If the girl doesn't want to stay, then I don't want her to stay either. As far as returning, I'm not interested in being awoken in the early morning by texts, reception, etc. She was EDSA and the hotel was in Makati. I'm definitely not going to give her cab fare to return. Then I would have "fallen for that". I had fun with her and she got no more than what she earned. But I will give her a pass over if I return.[/QUOTE]If everyone is happy then no harm = no foul.

Many negotiate LT because it's something they specifically want. Eg I like to get rid of morning wood whereas a night time romp isn't that important to me. If that was the case my earlier comments would apply.

Good to hear you are having a good time.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2313106]I'd agree with Mr E.

If she knew the expectations, I would have just said that you got her for a morning romp so come back after her sister's party because payment will be in the morning.

It's not a regular occurrence but I have done it before. She will either decide that sis's birthday is not that important or go for an hour and come back. Obviously once cash is handed over, she's never to be seen again.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a girl I barfined from one of the EDSA bars. Very pretty, tall, great body with big boobs. She was freelancing as hostess not one of the dancing girls. She said she comes there only when I guess she wants money. She said she is a GF of famous doctor on the-side who is married. I guess he supports her and when he is with his family she comes out to play. Initially she said she does not go out with anybody but later she agreed for ST and she needs to be home by 2 am because that is the time doctor calls her. After two rounds of heavy sex (obviously doctor is not good in satisfying her) she took a shower got dressed went out. After 5 minutes knock on the door and she is back. On enquiring she said she decided to stay the night. In fact we had three glorious days together. Unfortunately when I went back after 3 months she was nowhere to be found. Even the mamasan did not know where she is.

Some girls decide to stay the whole night while others are looking to get out ASAP.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2313278]Reminds me of a girl I barfined from one of the EDSA bars. Very pretty, tall, great body with big boobs. She was freelancing as hostess not one of the dancing girls. She said she comes there only when I guess she wants money. She said she is a GF of famous doctor on the-side who is married. I guess he supports her and when he is with his family she comes out to play. Initially she said she does not go out with anybody but later she agreed for ST and she needs to be home by 2 am because that is the time doctor calls her. After two rounds of heavy sex (obviously doctor is not good in satisfying her) she took a shower got dressed went out. After 5 minutes knock on the door and she is back. On enquiring she said she decided to stay the night. In fact we had three glorious days together. Unfortunately when I went back after 3 months she was nowhere to be found. Even the mamasan did not know where she is.

Some girls decide to stay the whole night while others are looking to get out ASAP.[/QUOTE]Girls truly are like a box of chocolates. You COT a cherry filling in yours.

I don't particularly want them to stay the night as my visit is so short that I never recover from jet lag. But I wanted to take my time playing with that girl and enjoying her. I got my fill and her excuse to leave was my excuse not to pay her LT. Like Goffering said, it still was win-win.

I guess I missed the messages of Cotton Club closing and I just wanted to make sure that what they told me at EDSA was true (last time I was in Manila, I didn't get a chance to go to EDSA).

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2313193]You should know Doc. You were there on the ground in-person.

I'm wondering why you are asking?

FYI, as reported in various places on ISG, the answer is "yes".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2313278]..<SNIP>
She said she is a GF of famous doctor on the-side who is married. I guess he supports her and when he is with his family she comes out to play. [/QUOTE]I love the "famous doctor" quote Samm. Obviously they are her words to you and repeated verbatim by you.

There aren't any "famous doctors" in Philippines, as in Nobel prizes or specialists who have people from all over the world flocking to Manila for their services. The really competent ones migrate to the lands of milk and honey for their post-graduate successes.

I guess she means he is well-known or popular or something. Just another not-so-subtle way to boost her own importance.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2313345]I love the "famous doctor" quote Samm. Obviously they are her words to you and repeated verbatim by you.

There aren't any "famous doctors" in Philippines, as in Nobel prizes or specialists who have people from all over the world flocking to Manila for their services. The really competent ones migrate to the lands of milk and honey for their post-graduate successes.

I guess she means he is well-known or popular or something. Just another not-so-subtle way to boost her own importance.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the perv barangay gynac who samples patients on the side. LOL.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2313362]Sounds like the perv barangay gynac who samples patients on the side. LOL.[/QUOTE]For years I've been telling the ladies that I am a Gynecologist. When they ask me where my office is located, I tell them that I can come to them. Smile.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2313365]For years I've been telling the ladies that I am a Gynecologist. When they ask me where my office is located, I tell them that I can come to them. Smile.[/QUOTE]That is truly a genius move. Got to try this doc thing next time. Gosh, I won't be there before June!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2313366]That is truly a genius move. Got to try this doc thing next time. Gosh, I won't be there before June![/QUOTE]Hotter than Hades there right now. Wait until June when the weather cools off some. Stay home for now. Not that I'm thinking it would mean more ladies for me. No. Smile!

So I was going to go to the Cotton Club, but found out it was closed. The people at the entrance pushed me into the Samba Club, but eventually I peeked in to all the clubs on the first floor. It seemed to be a quiet night at almost 11 and most of the bars had very bored-looking girls on stage. Several of the bars had girls in bikinis, Samba was most unique with long gowns.

I finally settled on a bar with the girls in bikinis, Bullets and Arrows, so I could see what I was getting. Though in retrospect, maybe the girls in Samba looked a little prettier. It was hard to tell and everyone was clustering around the few customers that would come in from time to time. I picked a very cute young girl, I think Marika. My drink was around 190 and the girl's drink was 380. The long and short of it was bar fine 2500 and ST was 3000 and LT was 5000.

Since I had to work early the next morning, I just wanted to get everything over with, I paid the manager 6000 for everything and went to my hotel. The girl was perfectly ok, nothing so write home about, but I just needed a quickie to help me go to sleep.

And I had several more days for exploring.

Went to Cafe Havana on Friday night with my wingman, but because he got in so late, it was past 11. All the good talent was gone, or things have changed since the last time I was there. The prettiest girl there was one of the hostesses and of course there was little chance we were going to be successful with her and in any case, there was only one of her. So we decided to just go to a legit club and went to the Palace complex, specifically XYLO. This is a high end dance club and really on par with top clubs all over the world. The complex is really 5 separate clubs joined in the middle with an open area swimming pool, food stall, bar area. Similar to Las Vegas swimming pool scene. Lots of beautiful girls everywhere, but almost all 'civilians'. We had a lot of fun with some girls, but didn't try to push things and definitely didn't want to insult anyone by offering money, so we just left with phone numbers.

Doc.

I was in Manila in February of this year. I also went into the SAMBA on the first floor. Saw girls standing on the stairwell to the upstairs club, can't remember the name of it. I reluctantly climbed the stairs, found a huge layout with billiard tables in the back. Plenty of room. Then, there was the old mamasan from COTTON CLUB. She recognized me right away and said "Cotton Club open maybe in June or November downstairs where Samba is now. " When I go back to MNL this August, will update if nobody has finalized the location of CClub.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;2313622]old mamasan from COTTON CLUB. She recognized me right away and said "Cotton Club open maybe in June or November downstairs where Samba is now. " [/QUOTE]In other words, she had no idea.

What sort of an answer is "maybe in June or November"?

As someone else pointed out, how can you renovate a space that already has a bar (Samba) operating?

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2313582]The long and short of it was bar fine 2500 and ST was 3000 and LT was 5000.

Since I had to work early the next morning, I just wanted to get everything over with, I paid the manager 6000 for everything and went to my hotel.

[/QUOTE]EDSA and Burgos St bars are different than AC in that you only pay the bar the bar fine (php2500). You pay the remainder to the girl, preferably after the act. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, but some girls may pull a runner if they have already been payed.

[QUOTE=LoveEastAsia;2313253]Hello,

I am in Manila.

I am looking for a bar in Manila to drink to play pool with people (customers, waitress, waiter like in Pattaya, BKK) and girls available.

Not la cafe in Ermita that I know well.

Thank you for your advice.[/QUOTE]Try "Dusk till dawn" - only 50 meter from LA Cafe.

Any one up to hanging out and catching few drinks this week.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2313169]Thought I'the give it one more try more specific area. Anyone know of any massage parlors near LA Cafe? Non legit. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, Abacca Massage, Mabini Street, Malate. Walking distance from LA Cafe.

Hey guy,

New here. Couple of questions.

Is there a guide on how to find a level bar girl talent? Reading some posts and seems a couple hundred should.

Be good for overnight. Escort or web searches seem to turn up 1000 usd postings. J.

Kinda lost on where to turn. Any pointers to what you should be reading? Hoping to have at least 1 or 2 day alone with out my traveling companions.

[QUOTE=Woody68;2314252]Is there a guide on how to find a level bar girl talent?[/QUOTE]Go to Air Force One.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2314286]Go to Air Force One.[/QUOTE]Stykler did say it but you can PM me as we can't give details like contacts on the forum. So PM me.

Look forward to the PM.

[QUOTE=Woody68;2314252]Hey guy,

New here. Couple of questions.

Is there a guide on how to find a level bar girl talent? Reading some posts and seems a couple hundred should.

Be good for overnight. Escort or web searches seem to turn up 1000 usd postings. J.

Kinda lost on where to turn. Any pointers to what you should be reading? Hoping to have at least 1 or 2 day alone with out my traveling companions.[/QUOTE]A class; yes there is but that depends on your definition. The ones that I did that I considered Class A were playboyPH girls, MaximPH girls, Mocha girls, and some car show girls (some of the car show models, I wouldn't rate Class A, but still hot).

As far as A level bar girl talent, I really don't know. When I walk in a bar hunting, I take the best (my opinion) in the bar when I leave, is she A Level, I don't know, all I know is that she is the best I seen that night.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2314570]A class; yes there is but that depends on your definition. The ones that I did that I considered Class A were playboyPH girls, MaximPH girls, Mocha girls, and some car show girls (some of the car show models, I wouldn't rate Class A, but still hot).
[/QUOTE]Where / how did you meet these? I'll go out on a limb and say top quality girls are far more likely to be met through introductions and networking than barhopping around Burgos.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Woody68;2314252]Hey guy,

New here. Couple of questions.

Is there a guide on how to find a level bar girl talent? Reading some posts and seems a couple hundred should.

Be good for overnight. Escort or web searches seem to turn up 1000 usd postings. J.

Kinda lost on where to turn. Any pointers to what you should be reading? Hoping to have at least 1 or 2 day alone with out my traveling companions.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of very beautiful girls in Manila. They do not work in bars. Most often they work for escort agencies, high end Karaoke places catering to high end businessmen.

If you want them it will cost you serious money.

Looks does not mean service is good. Just a arm candy if you are into it.

I'm working with a Korean guy and he has a contact who recommended this place. It turns out about half the clients are Koreans and half Chinese and occasionally other foreigners or Pinoy. The contact's manager said the best time to come is between 8 and 9, so unfortunately we were late at 10:30. Still the lineup that she brought to us was almost 20 and the best ones maybe 8. I picked a cute little girl named Shine. Very smiley, light skinned, dark black hair and slightly deeper voice.

We stayed in the couch joking around while watching the different dancers. Some of whom had really great skills and some of whom had really awesome bodies. There was even a group of 4 guys and 4 girls dancing. But not very well. The entire damage for some drinks and fruit platter for a couple hours was 4800. I also got a great massage by some guy while sitting there.

I had to get up early in the morning, so we looked into the room fees and it ended up being 5000, which was supposedly a discount because of our contact. After a little while, finally went upstairs and really had a good time with this petite cute girl who was always smiley and funny. Just wanted to have fun.

Part 1 - 5 star rating.

Landed at NAIA a bit after midnight, so of course all my contacts were zzzz. First off the plane and first to immigration, no wait whatsoever. Carry-on luggage only. Grabbed a taxi from departures level. Traffic of course was light. Hotel is in Sampaloc (far). I ask the driver if he knows of any casas with girls en route. He gets on the 2-way and get directions from HQ to an unmarked place in Palanan on Casino Street. About 15 girls are lying around. Chose a cute one, paid the guy 3000 in the back room and he asked for a tip "for the boys". Ok, here's an extra 100 to shut up. Off we go with slim Julia, 24 from Mindanao, 1 kid 4 years old. Total taxi fare was 350 NAIA to Sampaloc. Gave him (as agreed) +100 for his troubles. Quick shower and was getting a BJ within an hour of landing.

Part 2 - 3 star rating.

Julia insists on using a rubber for the main course. Nothing I could do to change her mind. I got all kinds of stories from her. The mood was quickly going south. So instead of ruining it altogether, I wanted to shoot my load and get to sleep. Got to get that first notch of the trip in! She asks for a tip and she insists that she doesn't get any of the 3000 I gave to the guy. I tell her this is not my first rodeo so nice try. I also added that if she went bareback with me I would tip her heavily (I wouldn't). She insists that a taxi is 500. I remind her that I just came from NAIA for 350. Gave her 400 for a taxi ride home. You got to watch these girls (all filipino's really) because they are all so full of s**t!

Welcome to the Phils!

Bravo F2 that you are thinking with all your heads.

Just wondering, I trust that you are completely trusting the taxis? Were they yellow top or white ones?

Victor.

[QUOTE=Free2;2316222]Part 1 - 5 star rating.

Landed at NAIA a bit after midnight, so of course all my contacts were zzzz. First off the plane and first to immigration, no wait whatsoever. Carry-on luggage only. Grabbed a taxi from departures level. Traffic of course was light. Hotel is in Sampaloc (far). I ask the driver if he knows of any casas with girls en route. He gets on the 2-way and get directions from HQ to an unmarked place in Palanan on Casino Street. About 15 girls are lying around. Chose a cute one, paid the guy 3000 in the back room and he asked for a tip "for the boys". Ok, here's an extra 100 to shut up. Off we go with slim Julia, 24 from Mindanao, 1 kid 4 years old. Total taxi fare was 350 NAIA to Sampaloc. Gave him (as agreed) +100 for his troubles. Quick shower and was getting a BJ within an hour of landing.

Part 2 - 3 star rating.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2314621]I had to get up early in the morning, so we looked into the room fees and it ended up being 5000, which was supposedly a discount because of our contact. [/QUOTE]I have said before that whenever a contact is involved shit is going to cost you more. My wingman was dating a chick whose dad drives a taxi. He tried to charge my boy 3500 pesos from AC to Manila. Work out your own deal and don't fall for you are getting a lower one because of a contact.

[QUOTE=Free2;2316222]Julia insists on using a rubber for the main course.

I also added that if she went bareback with me I would tip her heavily (I wouldn't). She insists that a taxi is 500. I remind her that I just came from NAIA for 350. Gave her 400 for a taxi ride home. You got to watch these girls (all filipino's really) because they are all so full of s**t!

Welcome to the Phils![/QUOTE]What I can never understand is people spend lots of dollars (thousand or more at times) to reach the Philippines then boast about a $2 difference in giving the girl a taxi fare. And if you promise a big tip for bareback then keep it IMHO as am sure you meant 500 pesos (IE $10). Don't boast you said it to get it and then won't give the tip.

Mentality of some always surprise me as I am happy to give 500 pesos for taxi as it is a small percentage of what I could have spent elsewhere in the world for the same for the same outcome.

Gents,

Looking fwd to my first trip to Manila soon, and having read lots of the forum, I've not seen much reference to ladies who love to offer rimming. Specifically as part of a massage session. If anyone can suggest a lady or establishment that would suit my needs, please PM.

Thanks in advance.

JaR.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2316488]What I can never understand is people spend lots of dollars (thousand or more at times) to reach the Philippines then boast about a $2 difference in giving the girl a taxi fare. [/QUOTE]Me too! Same with these people who nickle and dime. They spend around US $2000 traveling to the other side of the world, fork out for 4 or 5 star hotels for a week or so, then spend precious time quibbling with an Asian hooker over $20. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2316488]What I can never understand is people spend lots of dollars (thousand or more at times) to reach the Philippines then boast about a $2 difference in giving the girl a taxi fare. And if you promise a big tip for bareback then keep it IMHO as am sure you meant 500 pesos (IE $10). Don't boast you said it to get it and then won't give the tip.

Mentality of some always surprise me as I am happy to give 500 pesos for taxi as it is a small percentage of what I could have spent elsewhere in the world for the same for the same outcome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stykler;2316644]Me too! Same with these people who nickle and dime. They spend around US $2000 traveling to the other side of the world, fork out for 4 or 5 star hotels for a week or so, then spend precious time quibbling with an Asian hooker over $20. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.[/QUOTE]Roger et al.

I think most guys are happy to tip generously, even too generously, for good service. Likewise, most refuse to pay more when an obvious scam is on or the girl is just angling for an unearned top up.

I know I've certainly done both.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2316686]Roger et al.

I think most guys are happy to tip generously, even too generously, for good service. Likewise, most refuse to pay more when an obvious scam is on or the girl is just angling for an unearned top up.

I know I've certainly done both.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that. I like to think I am generous but I hate being ripped off. I like to be in control.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2316644]Me too! Same with these people who nickle and dime. They spend around US $2000 traveling to the other side of the world, fork out for 4 or 5 star hotels for a week or so, then spend precious time quibbling with an Asian hooker over $20. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.[/QUOTE]It only takes 30 seconds to quibble. I would not call that precious time. I have not fucked too many Asian hookers for much more than the $20 you speak of quibbling over. That is the beauty of the place. I guess you search for full fare tickets and hotels as well. No expedia or booking dot com for you! That is for us nickelers and dimers.

I do hear you SP, coming from bad experiences, I believe that it is wisdom to RTFF and verify the personnel well and not to be in a hurry with the little head.

This helps to escape obvious traps.

Vic.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2316798]I'm with you on that. I like to think I am generous but I hate being ripped off. I like to be in control.[/QUOTE]

Thanks M. E.

It's so wise to understand that the bottom line is how much cash they can get from you while allowing you to feel that you are getting a great deal.

That's why this forum is precious, for advice and good ideas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316365]I have said before that whenever a contact is involved shit is going to cost you more. My wingman was dating a chick whose dad drives a taxi. He tried to charge my boy 3500 pesos from AC to Manila. Work out your own deal and don't fall for you are getting a lower one because of a contact.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the wise words M. E.

That's why it is great to refer back to this forum, RTFF, to avoid obvious scams.

Be experiences real helps to gain in wisdom though.

Victor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316365]I have said before that whenever a contact is involved shit is going to cost you more. My wingman was dating a chick whose dad drives a taxi. He tried to charge my boy 3500 pesos from AC to Manila. Work out your own deal and don't fall for you are getting a lower one because of a contact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316805]I have not fucked too many Asian hookers for much more than the $20 you speak of quibbling over.[/QUOTE]Each to their own I suppose. From my perspective I just can't be bothered haggling with a hooker, it makes the deal a little too "transactional" for me. If I feel I'm getting ripped off at the offered price, I just walk away.

The $20 I refer to is obviously not the overall price of services, but the price difference between what the punter wants to pay and the hooker wants to receive.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2316915]Each to their own I suppose. From my perspective I just can't be bothered haggling with a hooker, it makes the deal a little too "transactional" for me. If I feel I'm getting ripped off at the offered price, I just walk away.

The $20 I refer to is obviously not the overall price of services, but the price difference between what the punter wants to pay and the hooker wants to receive.[/QUOTE]$20 is more valuable to some financial wizard mongers than to a starving family. Some even complain about the meal they get for 150 php!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2316916]$20 is more valuable to some financial wizard mongers than to a starving family. Some even complain about the meal they get for 150 php![/QUOTE]It may sound a bit pedantic but I work on a budget that I believe given the place is fair for both monger and WG. I stick to this budget despite what they may ask.

This year I will visit KL & Angeles. Obviously quite different prices. So I adjust my budget accordingly. To my way of thinking overpaying is just dumb and a fool and his money will soon be parted.

My trips are time to have fun and sample quite a bit of the wildlife. I butterfly more so than repeat. For them they get a fairly ok looking respectful gentlemen, they usually enjoy themselves too. Based on current prices I give what's fair as opposed to them having to go home with a less desirable individual. I believe, although yes this is there work, this is a fair exchange. It should be remembered that some nights these girls go home unattached and also in low season this could mean no bookings for lengthy periods.

It works for me, others are free to choose their own ways but over spenders do everyone a disservice.

NI.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2316488]And if you promise a big tip for bareback then keep it IMHO as am sure you meant 500 pesos (IE $10). Don't boast you said it to get it and then won't give the tip.[/QUOTE]Never. The western mentality is to make a deal and keep it. To clarify, I did not promise her anything ahead of time. I just assumed service would be 'normal'. The deal with the casa's is you only tip if you want to. No obligation. The girl gets paid by the casa. Obviously, transport fees home is expected that you give her enough to get home.

It's because it was after everything was done and she was begging for a tip is when I said, look, if you went bareback I would be tipping you now. I would have tipped her, but not BIG time. She was probably expecting 2 k or something like that. I only said that so that she learns a lesson for next time (one of you guys, so where's the thanks?! LOL) to be upfront. Also, to try to teach her that don't expect a tip when you clearly have not exceeded the clients satisfaction. The chances of that getting through are slim to none, but I tried.

So I have wanted to go to the philipines for a long time, the ladies look beautiful. So I got a ticket for Jan 15-30. Now I need to figure it all out. I have been to Colombia, MDE mostly and love it.

I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker. Open to suggestions and I am reading the Forum but lots of posts commenting on one trip or such.

[QUOTE=JustARub;2316564]Gents,

Looking fwd to my first trip to Manila soon, and having read lots of the forum, I've not seen much reference to ladies who love to offer rimming. Specifically as part of a massage session. If anyone can suggest a lady or establishment that would suit my needs, please PM.

Thanks in advance.

JaR.[/QUOTE]Since the Philippines is not a hardcore destination, (and I learnt that the hard way) what you are looking for may be difficult to find. But with the right attitude and price, who knows? It's unlikely the attractive girls will be up for it.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2317030]So I have wanted to go to the philipines for a long time, the ladies look beautiful. So I got a ticket for Jan 15-30. Now I need to figure it all out. I have been to Colombia, MDE mostly and love it.

I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker. Open to suggestions and I am reading the Forum but lots of posts commenting on one trip or such.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by "safe"? Are you worried about STD's? Or are you talking about them sticking a pistol in your face and trying to rob you?

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2317030]I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker.[/QUOTE]If you want daytime action then your best bet is to hit the dating sites. There are not more posts on massage girls because they are massage girls. Neither sex nor a good massage is guaranteed from them at twice the price of a massage you can get in a reputable place. If you want a massage go to a massage shop. If you want to fuck, go get someone you know is selling pussy.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2316925]It may sound a bit pedantic but I work on a budget that I believe given the place is fair for both monger and WG. I stick to this budget despite what they may ask.

This year I will visit KL & Angeles. Obviously quite different prices. So I adjust my budget accordingly. To my way of thinking overpaying is just dumb and a fool and his money will soon be parted.

My trips are time to have fun and sample quite a bit of the wildlife. I butterfly more so than repeat. For them they get a fairly ok looking respectful gentlemen, they usually enjoy themselves too. Based on current prices I give what's fair as opposed to them having to go home with a less desirable individual. I believe, although yes this is there work, this is a fair exchange. It should be remembered that some nights these girls go home unattached and also in low season this could mean no bookings for lengthy periods.

It works for me, others are free to choose their own ways but over spenders do everyone a disservice.

NI.[/QUOTE]On the Manila Hotels forum I advised you to go straight to Angeles and bypass Manila the first night. By taking the bus I hope it frees up some extra cash for you.

BTW, restaurants, hotels and other businesses will not give discounts for good looks! For me, I am glad they don't add a surcharge for ugly guys like me. It would break my budget!

For fun you and I should stand together on Fields and solicit the same FL, ugly me will offer the full rate and humsome you will offer the discounted good looks rate. Whoever she picks the other person will pay for him. We can do this 10 times to get an accurate count.

A little pedanic myself, I count the strokes per peso (SPP). I try to get 1 stoke per peso. My average is 1.013.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2317030]So I have wanted to go to the philipines for a long time, the ladies look beautiful. So I got a ticket for Jan 15-30. Now I need to figure it all out. I have been to Colombia, MDE mostly and love it.

I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker. Open to suggestions and I am reading the Forum but lots of posts commenting on one trip or such.[/QUOTE]Happy hunting.

I tried the pay as you go scheme in Manila my first trip and after living in Bangkok for 30 plus years found it very boring.

As it turns out I started going thru Manila to get to Bangkok for the entertainment and subsequently ended up settling in Manila with a 26 year old beautiful girl, mother of two boys, who cannot be more accommodating in all respects, in and out of the bedroom. She is legally married and since divorce is unheard of in Philippines there is no chance we can be married. Fine by both of us.

I bought a condo in my name, car int my name and have my own bank account giving her a monthly allowance, more than fair. I send both her boys to private school and find my as fulfilling as ever.

I am 65 and good shape and believe me when I say life has not been this good in many many years.

Filipinas are the most giving and caring women and I dare say the most flirtatious girls. But never never flit with another when with her. Darts come out of their eyes.

I had about 10 trips to Manila on my way to Bangkok of a period of about 4 years.

After the first disastrous trip with pros. I got smart.

I subscribed to Filipino Cupid and Pina Love and the first time spent 6 nights, having 8 girls visit my room. All loving and giving and not one asked for any money or taxi fare. I have them a few pesos but not anywhere near what I spend the first trip on the pros.

Not one asked for a condom and there was only one of the eight I had leave due to what I perceived was deception, but how wonderful the others were.

I even had a 50 year old woman insists on coming to my room the night I arrived at 1 am and we rolled around every position. All holes tight and sweet. Attractive and experienced. All the rest were under 25, sweet, wonderful and never insisted on condom or any protection. They love white guys and using these sites and vetting the girls as much as you can online. Great experience.

On subsequent trips repeated with a few and on two occasions the girls asked if they could bring a friend to play yes.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2317382]On the Manila Hotels forum I advised you to go straight to Angeles and bypass Manila the first night. By taking the bus I hope it frees up some extra cash for you.
BTW, restaurants, hotels and other businesses will not give discounts for good looks! For me, I am glad they don't add a surcharge for ugly guys like me. It would break my budget!
For fun you and I should stand together on Fields and solicit the same FL, ugly me will offer the full rate and humsome you will offer the discounted good looks rate. Whoever she picks the other person will pay for him. We can do this 10 times to get an accurate count.
A little pedanic myself, I count the strokes per peso (SPP). I try to get 1 stoke per peso. My average is 1.013.[/QUOTE]LOL appreciate your help here and on other Phil forum pages.

"For fun you and I should stand together on Fields and solicit the same FL, ugly me will offer the full rate and humsome you will offer the discounted good looks rate. Whoever she picks the other person will pay for him. We can do this 10 times to get an accurate count. " - LOL again. In the name of science and stats this may be an interesting proposition. I would imagine the spread of difference between the humsome rate and the "un humsome " rate might be the clincher. I often query what people pay as on average esp in KL I get a lower price accepted than most. I am no Brad Pitt. Closer to 60 than I like. I sometimes get the comment " you must have been quite good looking when you were younger" = LOL what do you mean. When I was younger? Of course I am not too arrogant to realize the size of the paycheck is a significant determinant with most WGs.

What do you mean by strokes per peso? Strokes of what? Be interested in knowing my average, purely for research purposes. LOL x 3.

Once again thanks to you and others for their help.

NI.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2316644]Me too! Same with these people who nickle and dime. They spend around US $2000 traveling to the other side of the world, fork out for 4 or 5 star hotels for a week or so, then spend precious time quibbling with an Asian hooker over $20. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.[/QUOTE]I use to be one of those guys, but most guys look for cheap places to stay and are cheap with the girls. I still will negotiate with a girl just like I will use expedia to find the best 5 star hotel. But in the end if I really want her she could be 10 x's the going rate in the area and if it's not too much for me I'm going to partake. If a girl is bi I will usually push my pay limit higher because then I can still try to get another if I see something later. Unfortunately Philippines isn't great for the bi girls. In the end I don't think there's a right way or wrong way just everyone does it their own way. Markets rise from an increase in tourism not a few mongers over paying. Supply and demand.

I agree with MadisonGuy. In general, I want to respect local customs and practices (including local mongers), but if I really want something and I can afford it. I will pay for it. In my own history, for a 1-hour visit, I have paid as little as $20 US and as much as $1000 US and everything in-between! There was so many variables including the location, the girl, the services, etc. Etc. I know people who've paid more. There's no right way or wrong way, just whatever is good for you.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2317449]I use to be one of those guys, but most guys look for cheap places to stay and are cheap with the girls. I still will negotiate with a girl just like I will use expedia to find the best 5 star hotel. But in the end if I really want her she could be 10 x's the going rate in the area and if it's not too much for me I'm going to partake. If a girl is bi I will usually push my pay limit higher because then I can still try to get another if I see something later. Unfortunately Philippines isn't great for the bi girls. In the end I don't think there's a right way or wrong way just everyone does it their own way. Markets rise from an increase in tourism not a few mongers over paying. Supply and demand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewImage;2317442]What do you mean by strokes per peso? Strokes of what? Be interested in knowing my average, purely for research purposes. LOL x 3.NI.[/QUOTE]The only thing it can mean in this context. A stroke is the act of penis entering the vagina. So if he is paying 2000 peso, you can do the math on how short he lasts. LOL.

Just spent a week in Manila. First 2 nights in Makati because the company I work for picked up the bill.

First night I had 20 year old I met last year on DIA. She was keen last year after our first meeting to meet again but it took a while to get back to Manila and she needed a lot of persuading to meet again. Was going to be 3 nights but after the first night she cancelled as she had family staying and didn't want the knowledge of being with a 58 yo guy getting out. Pity as she is pretty, hot, tight body and a tight wet pussy that likes having a cock inside.

Second night met with 19 yo who is regularly on PL. Again nice tight figure. She is simply pay for play. Had a nice session. Enjoyed a finger in the arse, maybe next time will try my cock in there. Agreed to CIP which was a nice finish. Next morning woke up and was horny. Checked out Wechat and found someone willing. Arrived and a bit chubby. Not really my taste but just needed the itch scratched so proceeded.

Third night moved hotel to Malate. More my type of area, with better restaurants around where I was staying and one block from Robinsons. Brought in another 20 yo PL girl who I had before. If I find a good one I prefer to repeat as I don't wear condom and don't need a discussion about it. She again has a nice figure (for me skinny, tits size is not important, I like nice tight arse and no stretch marks or baby damage) and she spent an hour.

Fourth day did some wandering around. Checked out Wechat but I tend to find them a bit jaded, however talked to one that seemed interesting. Organised to meet at Robinsons. Well I could kick myself, as I usually ask all girls if they are LBs and this one I didn't. 2 secs after meeting I was doing a fast retreat. Why they waste peoples time I don't know. Decided to try a new PL girl who was 22. Nice figure but maybe 6.5 face. She spent all night for a fixed 5 k. Was good in bed so was happy with the outcome.

Next day chatted to a beauty pageant model off DIA who needed a new dress. Looked pretty hot and offered 6 k for the night. She was pretty in the flesh, 8 - 8.5, unexpectedly a little bit of padding around the waist but a long way from chubby. Also surprised she wasn't shaved but once warmed up provided a good ride with lots of enthusiasm. Seemed that she had not had a boyfriend for a while and was happy to get a thorough pounding over the night.

Night 6 Repeat 19 yo.

The last night I agreed to meet an 18 yo off DIA. She agreed to spend the night if I took her shopping. I had considered do a repeat of the pageant girl but decided to try something new. Turned out to be a mistake. She sent a message saying she was coming with her sister as it was her sisters birthday. She said sister would leave after dinner. I reluctantly agreed. She then sent a message that she would be there soon so went to lobby to wait. After several messages saying they would be soon I just got tired of it after 45 min, it should not have taken more than 45 min for the trip! I went off to a local Korean BBQ to have dinner. Well 15 min later they messaged saying they arrived. I told them where I was and they joined me.

Had dinner after gave some taxi money in case they wanted to leave. However they reiterated do shopping then sister would leave. Shopping is my least favourite activity in the world and after 1. 5 hrs and 3000 pesos I said enough. Went back to hotel and expected the sister to take taxi but no she was waiting for a ride so all went to the room. Next thing the date said she had period. I said I didn't care, I just get a towel for under her I don't mind if she has period. Then other sister starts saying that their father has been taken to hospital. By this time I just started to lose it. It was 10 pm on my last night and these 2 were making every excuse imaginable. I just said I have had enough. I told my girl e had an agreement. Either she stays and the sister leaves now or they could both leave but presents stay and I told them I would give the present to the poor. After a couple of minutes of them discussing I just grabebd the presents and told them both to leave, I was no longer and the mood and I wasn't going to waste any more time on them. They lookd horrified they were being parted with their presents but neither suddenly changed their mind about fulfilling the agreement so out the door they went.

So now I was still horny so contacted a Wechat girl that I had chatted t before. She was available and agreed to spend the night. A little older than I usually go for at about 30 but quite attractive. Was there in 10 min. Sex was good but after she wanted to go eat (probably didn't have the money to eat earlier). By this time I was well and truly the night. I just said here is half the agreed amount just leave. She offered to come back but I just didn't want to be disturbed with a long trip planned for the next day.

Overall I had a good time. I had a few girls that were no shows but had contingencies as this typically happens when using dating sites. I wanted to repeat the first girl but she had other plans. I regret not repeating Pagent girl but all met my needs, were young and nice bodies and willing in bed.

I get to visit PI for the first time ever next week, but only get to stay for just over 48 hours. I arrive late Thursday night and leave early Sunday morning. I have spent some time RTFF here and have tried some of the online suggestions. I got banned twice from DIA pretty quickly and gave up. I think it was because I used a fake photo of myself for discretion. I browsed FilipinaCupid for a minute and decided to pay. FC banned me right after I paid but refunded my $. I think I put in my profile that I was looking for fun and they said it was for marriage minded folks only. Anyways I move on to PL and just paid for 1 month premium. Holy smokes the response is overwhelming. Every time I log on girls message me. There seems to be an endless supply of twenty-something girls who could be a prospect with a little work (and pesos LOL).

I struck up a conversation on PL with an attractive 38 year old woman and she has offered to stay with me the whole time, and bring a friend for the second night. She wants 10 K pesos and 3 K pesos for her friend. Compared to what I have shelled out elsewhere on the planet for girls that seems like a pretty good deal for 48 hours of fun with 2 women. Now I know that there's always the chance of her flaking out or being a no show, which is fine as I am staying at the Gramercy within walking distance to some action if I RTFF correctly.

My dilemma is this, should I go ahead with the 30-something girls or just show up in PI as a free agent and try to shag a couple twenty-something girls from P. Burgos area? I have to admit that the thoughts of having a 48 hour Filipina GFE with a friend coming for a visit sounds pretty hot. But I don't want to be wishing I had pulled a 22 year old bikini clad bargirl to spend a night or two with me instead.

Note: I would go to Angeles if I had more time. I am also going to "sight see" in Manila and get some good pics to share with those who don't know why I am going.

Discuss please, opinions are what I am after.

You don't really have time to play around. Yes, the girlfriend thing can be greater, but if it were me, I'd go with a sure thing! Go to P. Burgos or EDSA or a massage.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2319105]I get to visit PI for the first time ever next week, but only get to stay for just over 48 hours. I arrive late Thursday night and leave early Sunday morning. I have spent some time RTFF here and have tried some of the online suggestions. I got banned twice from DIA pretty quickly and gave up. I think it was because I used a fake photo of myself for discretion. I browsed FilipinaCupid for a minute and decided to pay. FC banned me right after I paid but refunded my $. I think I put in my profile that I was looking for fun and they said it was for marriage minded folks only. Anyways I move on to PL and just paid for 1 month premium. Holy smokes the response is overwhelming. Every time I log on girls message me. There seems to be an endless supply of twenty-something girls who could be a prospect with a little work (and pesos LOL).

I struck up a conversation on PL with an attractive 38 year old woman and she has offered to stay with me the whole time, and bring a friend for the second night. She wants 10 K pesos and 3 K pesos for her friend. Compared to what I have shelled out elsewhere on the planet for girls that seems like a pretty good deal for 48 hours of fun with 2 women. Now I know that there's always the chance of her flaking out or being a no show, which is fine as I am staying at the Gramercy within walking distance to some action if I RTFF correctly.

My dilemma is this, should I go ahead with the 30-something girls or just show up in PI as a free agent and try to shag a couple twenty-something girls from P. Burgos area? I have to admit that the thoughts of having a 48 hour Filipina GFE with a friend coming for a visit sounds pretty hot. But I don't want to be wishing I had pulled a 22 year old bikini clad bargirl to spend a night or two with me instead.

Note: I would go to Angeles if I had more time. I am also going to "sight see" in Manila and get some good pics to share with those who don't know why I am going.

Discuss please, opinions are what I am after.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2318984]However they reiterated do shopping then sister would leave. Shopping is my least favourite activity in the world and after 1. 5 hrs and 3000 pesos I said enough. Went back to hotel and expected the sister to take taxi but no she was waiting for a ride so all went to the room. Next thing the date said she had period.[/QUOTE]LOL. Great report. I would have asked the sister if she was on her period too, because somebody was about to come off some ass. I wonder how many times they have pulled this. Chick in Colombia tried to pull that shopping shit with me back in February. I told her we fuck first and you go shopping alone after. Needless to say, she decided not to come.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2319105]I struck up a conversation on PL with an attractive 38 year old woman and she has offered to stay with me the whole time, and bring a friend for the second night. She wants 10 K pesos and 3 K pesos for her friend. Compared to what I have shelled out elsewhere on the planet for girls that seems like a pretty good deal for 48 hours of fun with 2 women.[/QUOTE]What have you shelled out elsewhere on the planet where mfs earn 400 pesos per day? And this old hag is talking about she wants 10 times that? Shit, I am about to offer to stay with you too if you will give me 10 times what mfs make in my country. This chick could look fucked up in person and the friend could be a ladyboy. Like Doc said you don't have time to play around. Look at GDreams post below yours and see how much bullshit he had to go through to get the couple of good experiences from chicks online that he did.

You can always do them like they do us. Have her on standby and when you get there go check out the scene first. If you do not find anything to your liking then tell her your plane was late and to hurry up and get to the meeting point.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2319105]I get to visit PI for the first time ever next week, but only get to stay for just over 48 hours.

I struck up a conversation on PL with an attractive 38 year old woman and she has offered to stay with me the whole time, and bring a friend for the second night. She wants 10 K pesos and 3 K pesos for her friend. Compared to what I have shelled out elsewhere on the planet for girls that seems like a pretty good deal for 48 hours of fun with 2 women. Now I know that there's always the chance of her flaking out or being a no show, which is fine as I am staying at the Gramercy within walking distance to some action if I RTFF correctly.

My dilemma is this, should I go ahead with the 30-something girls or just show up in PI as a free agent and try to shag a couple twenty-something girls from P. Burgos area? I have to admit that the thoughts of having a 48 hour Filipina GFE with a friend coming for a visit sounds pretty hot. But I don't want to be wishing I had pulled a 22 year old bikini clad bargirl to spend a night or two with me instead.


Discuss please, opinions are what I am after.[/QUOTE]Too bad you got banned from DIA. There are plenty of pretty girls who will gladly stay with you. Generally I pay 2000 pesos per day.

Philippines is known for getting young pretty girls irrespective of your age. 38 is considered over the hill unless you like old women. She is asking 10000 pesos which is way over the hill also.

There are venues in Manila where you can get top girl for half that price. Do not compare with what you paid elsewhere in the world.

48 hours in Manila is too short. You can go to EDSA and try the clubs. There are plenty of pretty women. You can hit Makati clubs. These are on the expensive side. You can go to LA cafe and offer the best looking girl there 3000 for whole night.

One thing is in Manila you will never be alone for long.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2319158]LOL. Great report. I would have asked the sister if she was on her period too, because somebody was about to come off some ass. I wonder how many times they have pulled this. Chick in Colombia tried to pull that shopping shit with me back in February. I told her we fuck first and you go shopping alone after. Needless to say, she decided not to come.[/QUOTE]I did consider that option but I was getting so annoyed by that time that I wanted them gone while I had time an energy for an alternative. The cost wasn't the big issue, everyone has failures that cost them and 3000 can just as easily be blown in a bar or bar fining a non performer, it was the time wasted on the last night. I probably would not agree to do it again but sometimes to reel in a non pro you need to adjust the strategy.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2319105]I struck up a conversation on PL with an attractive 38 year old woman and she has offered to stay with me the whole time, and bring a friend for the second night. She wants 10 K pesos and 3 K pesos for her friend. Compared to what I have shelled out elsewhere on the planet for girls that seems like a pretty good deal for 48 hours of fun with 2 women.[/QUOTE]Sounds like this message I got on PL.

We can walk. Swim, eat together, shower together sleep together anything we do as long as we enjoy together Report.

Raquel10 27 Apr 2019 07:16 (1 week ago).

I'm Raquel hope to know you and meet you. I know you will enjoy with us companion. We are good person too we only companion because we need also compensation to provide our needs because we single mom.

Raquel10 27 Apr 2019 07:10 (1 week ago).

Me and my friend stay with you. Lets enjoy and have fun.

Raquel10 27 Apr 2019 07:09 (1 week ago).

Hi if you want companion I can stay with you how many days you want. Just its your treat and give compensation thank you.

I just prefer the 18 - 23 thin and pretty bracket. I was usually quoted 5 - 6 k for an overnight well for the ones I was happy to accept. Some quote considerably more.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2319162]
You can always do them like they do us. Have her on standby and when you get there go check out the scene first. If you do not find anything to your liking then tell her your plane was late and to hurry up and get to the meeting point.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

FunGames,

With13 k burning a hole in your pocket while getting molested by DDs in Bottoms or lookers in PlanB on Burgos and it will be 'What 38 yo?

Remember that what girls say online and what actually turns up (if indeed she does actually turn up) are often totally different. You don't have time for that shit. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2319197]Agreed.

FunGames,

With13 k burning a hole in your pocket while getting molested by DDs in Bottoms or lookers in PlanB on Burgos and it will be 'What 38 yo?

Remember that what girls say online and what actually turns up (if indeed she does actually turn up) are often totally different. You don't have time for that shit. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]The suggestions and comments below stress exactly what I needed to get my upper head back in the game. Thank you all for responding. I like the young ones before they get the baby belly. The pickings are so slim here in the USA that I have a cute 40 year old from a sugaring website for an occasional romp and that's about all I get here.

Another question then: My flight lands at 11 PM next Thursday night and I'm staying near P. Burgos. I would like some action to get started with. What's a good bet place to go after midnight?

I manage to get short stopovers like this during or after business trips. Wish I could stay longer, but I won't turn down 2 days in PI when I don't have to pay for airfare.

Any tips for morning / daytime action. I've got a full bottle of Cialis and want to put it to good use LOL. I'll hit the clubs by night.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2319197]Agreed.

FunGames,

With13 k burning a hole in your pocket while getting molested by DDs in Bottoms or lookers in PlanB on Burgos and it will be 'What 38 yo?

Remember that what girls say online and what actually turns up (if indeed she does actually turn up) are often totally different. You don't have time for that shit. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]38 year old lady, bringing a lady too ugly to have her own profile, for 13 K? No way! She is taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] with you (did I use that right)? If you really don't want to go out and find your own 20-something, a fair price for this dual is maybe 5 K. After the first session, you will want them to leave, anyway.

Hi,

I'm looking for a Bodyguard / Security Escort cum driver, for the period of my stay in the Philippines.

Any recommendations, please PM me, either individuals or companies / agencies.

BB.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2319455]
Another question then: My flight lands at 11 PM next Thursday night and I'm staying near P. Burgos. I would like some action to get started with. What's a good bet place to go after midnight?

I manage to get short stopovers like this during or after business trips. Wish I could stay longer, but I won't turn down 2 days in PI when I don't have to pay for airfare.

Any tips for morning / daytime action. I've got a full bottle of Cialis and want to put it to good use LOL. I'll hit the clubs by night.[/QUOTE]You'll want to hustle. It can take some time to get through the airport and to your hotel. On the plus side there shouldn't be much traffic at that time. For Burgos, the cream may he gone by the time you arrive but there should still be some good options. Bottoms is recognized as the best for groping girls and DDs. PlanB, XOXO and Kojax share some very pretty girls though they can be a bit mercenary to new comers. You may find a diamond in the rough in any of the bars along the street.

The only way I've been successful at getting rid of morning wood is to keep a LT overnight. Everyone else is asleep. Daytime its online and they come to you. It helps if you can describe your hotel as near xyz so the girls know where you are.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2319455]Any tips for morning / daytime action. I've got a full bottle of Cialis and want to put it to good use LOL. I'll hit the clubs by night.[/QUOTE]WeChat. You will find girls on Wechat at all hours.

OK so how does Wechat work? Is it searching for other users in your area? In Colorado I am not getting anything which does not surprise me, so please clarify.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2319709]WeChat. You will find girls on Wechat at all hours.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2319766]OK so how does Wechat work? Is it searching for other users in your area? In Colorado I am not getting anything which does not surprise me, so please clarify.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Users can search for other users, 'People Nearby'. However, for anyone to appear there needs to be online users actually in your area. WeChat is very popular in Asia but if it's not in your area then there is no one to identify. People will only appear when you move to an area amongst other users. From memory, you need to be within 10 mi. In a major Asian city there can be '00's of matches who you can message and see if they want to meet.

Many openly advertise as being in the game but beware that a good % are LBs.

[URL]https://help.wechat.com/cgi-bin/micromsg-bin/oshelpcenter?opcode=2&lang=en&plat=android&id=120813euEJVf141023UniUny&Channel=helpcenter&t=help_center/w_topic_detail[/URL]

Enjoy.

I, rightfully or wrongfully, assumed that prices were cheaper in Angeles. Research and feedback say bar fines are cheaper in Angeles as compared to Burg St.

I am told you can get girls in Manila for 1000 - 2/3000. Therefore my question is, if my main motivation is finding decent girls at these price points, why go to Angeles?

Is the standard better, pick up easier, is it a bit like the Bangkok / Pattaya situation? Is it just to get out of the metropolis? Feedback says Angeles is boring during the daytime so if prices are similar why go?

Feedback not criticism would be appreciated.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2320190]I, rightfully or wrongfully, assumed that prices were cheaper in Angeles. Research and feedback say bar fines are cheaper in Angeles as compared to Burg St.
I am told you can get girls in Manila for 1000 - 2/3000. Therefore my question is, if my main motivation is finding decent girls at these price points, why go to Angeles?[/QUOTE]Your question is not going over because there are many ways to pick up chicks in each place. So you can not just say is it cheaper in Angeles or Manila. It depends on where you pick up the chick, how you pick up the chick, and your skills as a negotiator. I could be in Manila and find a free chick on Tinder or go to LA Cafe and find a chick that wants 3000 pesos. In Angeles I can find a chick on Tinder that wants 3000 pesos or I could go to High Society and find a free chick.

If you have traveled so far, why not go to both and get your own experience. They are only 2 hours away from each other. Hell, I tell people while you are on that side of the world to go to both Thailand and PI and make your own comparison. It is only a 3 hour flight and you can get it for $150 round trip.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2320190]Feedback says Angeles is boring during the daytime so if prices are similar why go?[/QUOTE]For the chicks. Besides, some people like the small, laid back, compact atmosphere of Angeles where you can walk the couple of places you need to go, better than the big city where everything is spread out and there is tons of trappic. Different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2320196]Your question is not going over because there are many ways to pick up chicks in each place. So you can not just say is it cheaper in Angeles or Manila. It depends on where you pick up the chick, how you pick up the chick, and your skills as a negotiator. I could be in Manila and find a free chick on Tinder or go to LA Cafe and find a chick that wants 3000 pesos. In Angeles I can find a chick on Tinder that wants 3000 pesos or I could go to High Society and find a free chick.
If you have traveled so far, why not go to both and get your own experience. They are only 2 hours away from each other. Hell, I tell people while you are on that side of the world to go to both Thailand and PI and make your own comparison. It is only a 3 hour flight and you can get it for $150 round trip.
For the chicks. Besides, some people like the small, laid back, compact atmosphere of Angeles where you can walk the couple of places you need to go, better than the big city where everything is spread out and there is tons of trappic. Different strokes for different folks.[/QUOTE]Heard of freebies available but thought these might be those girls at the lower end of the beauty scale or older MILF types. Not that freebies is what I am hunting. I Like Sabang, like when everything is close, although prices there are up to 4000 now. Appreciate reply.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2320217]Heard of freebies available but thought these might be those girls at the lower end of the beauty scale or older MILF types. Not that freebies is what I am hunting. I Like Sabang, like when everything is close, although prices there are up to 4000 now. Appreciate reply.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for a walk around bar hop like Sabang, AC is definitely better. There are a couple of areas where bars are nearly door to door and you can spend a full night just going from one to another. WS proper, the road to the west of WS boom gates and Perimeter Road all jump to mind. In Manila there is really only Burgos and EDSA. They are good but they can become a but repetitive and very expensive by comparison.

BTW freebies come in all shapes and sizes. Certainly not all are old and ugly.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2320190]I, rightfully or wrongfully, assumed that prices were cheaper in Angeles. Research and feedback say bar fines are cheaper in Angeles as compared to Burg St.

I am told you can get girls in Manila for 1000 - 2/3000. Therefore my question is, if my main motivation is finding decent girls at these price points, why go to Angeles?

Is the standard better, pick up easier, is it a bit like the Bangkok / Pattaya situation? Is it just to get out of the metropolis? Feedback says Angeles is boring during the daytime so if prices are similar why go?

Feedback not criticism would be appreciated.

NI.[/QUOTE]Go and find out yourself is the best feedback you will ever receive.

So many questions and so many answers will only get you more confused.

Then report back.

I was stationed in Manila for a week and tried an Outcall service from Nuru Massage. The massage was decent until the woman in question sped it up and asked me if I am interested in extra services. I said OK. The girl was petite, young, pretty. But there was a catch. No lip kiss (She wants to keep it for her husband when she gets married, she says! Blowjob no, maybe but only with condoms. The whole deal felt so artificial and boring that I finally asked her to leave. 4 k gone down the drain.

Lesson learnt: Just being pretty doesn't cut it for me.

Guys available nurumassage. Ph services, do ensure you give in to the extra services only if the girl is up for everything.

Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.

[QUOTE=BombayBoyz;2321979]Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.[/QUOTE]My own experience was from DIA, but just say you are in manila and in the second step ask for messenger, skype or whatsapp, don't talk too much on DIA or you can be banned depending on what you say. Better to talk outside DIA. And need a lot of Hi, I am in manila. Before getting the right one.

Others use wechat to get contacts close to you I guess but never tried.

[QUOTE=BombayBoyz;2321979]Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.[/QUOTE]Firstly if you are having a great time already, why cramp your style with the laborious process of finding girls online? Nonetheless here goes.

Dating sites accessed by a laptop. Date in Asia, Filipino Cupid, Pina Love, Seeking Arrangement, etc.

Dating apps accessed by your mobile. Badoo, Tinder, WeChat, Skout, TanTan.

Nearly all of them operate more or less the same way. Paid membership is available on all except WeChat and DIA. Paid members definitely get more hits. Keep the conversation on the apps / website squeaky clean, and shift it ASAP to a chat / communication app like WhatsApp or Viber or Line or WeChat. Use a real pic to get real results.

[QUOTE=BombayBoyz;2321979]Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.[/QUOTE]2 way street here. How about posting some information on your great time here? How, what, why and where are you having a great time?

A report would be fantastic B.B.!

[QUOTE=BombayBoyz;2321979]Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.[/QUOTE]If you are already having a good time, then just continue.

The rest of your requests are best done via pm.

[QUOTE=BombayBoyz;2321979]Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.[/QUOTE]In Manila you can also use locantho. Ph.

Lots of hookers are announcing their Service on this site.

So I took everyone's advice and told the 38 year old that my trip was delayed and I headed to Manila. My flight landed at 11 pm and the passport line was long. But since I was concerned about getting in so late I had a sexy 23 year old from pinalove on standby. She showed and was pretty sexy. Didn't ask for money yet. We came to my condo and she wanted to go out drinking to a KTV that her friend was at. I said we're should get it on first then go out. She showered and climbed into bed. I proceeded to do her in a couple of position, but no BJ or real good performance. After that we went to KTV where I discovered that it's a total scam and left before spending any money. She came with me and I got some food at a bar on p Burgos. Decent Cuban sandwich. She came home with me and stayed. Took care of the morning wood, but again nothing special. She asked for cab fare and I gave her 3000 pesos. Around lunchtime another girl was messaging me asking for tuition money. I said to meet me at Wendy's and we'll talk. She was tiny and pretty sexy. Asked for 5 K for tuition. I told her I would give her 2000. We came back to condo and settled on 2500. She complained that it was too big for her and we ended up doing mish only after brief BBBJ that was fair. Again not a stellar performer but fun all the same. I'm going to take a nap this afternoon and be ready for p Burgos prime time tonight. I'm willing to pay a bar fine and hope to find a better performer than the 2 pinalove girls. But I did shag 2 girls for 3 rounds in my first 12 hours here so can't complain.

Please assist me in understanding exactly how the p Burgos barfine system works so I can be an informed consumer tonight. I've RTFF but I'm a little slow so I'm not sure that I'm totally clear on it. Do you pay the bar and the girl, or just pay the bar and tip the girl if you want to?

Time for my nap now.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2322625]Please assist me in understanding exactly how the p Burgos barfine system works so I can be an informed consumer tonight. I've RTFF but I'm a little slow so I'm not sure that I'm totally clear on it. Do you pay the bar and the girl, or just pay the bar and tip the girl if you want to?

Time for my nap now.[/QUOTE]Barfines are typically 10 drinks or 3900 p. Some bars or mamas may let you discount the cost of some interview LDs off this. This is paid in the bar before leaving.

The girl (s) will also want a significant tip for her time. This may be between 3 k for ST to 5 k for a LT, subject to negotiation / agreement and is not paid in the bar, even if asked. It is paid direct to the girl after your session is finished. Burgos girls are generally pretty good at not doing a one pop runner when a LT was agreed but just be aware that it does happen.

Any in-bar groping during interviews (common in Bottoms) is paid for with LDs during the act even of you don't BF her. If you're not buying her any drinks she may be reluctant to stay sitting with you while you are groping her. 😁.

Enjoy your night. G.

[QUOTE=BombayBoyz;2321979]Gents,

In Manila now. Having a great time!

Everyone is telling me get girls online! But online from which sites! Senior Members please advise, which are the best websites out there.

I'm happy to pay and create a profile. I'm told its the paid ones, which have the best girls.

Any and all advise, would be much appreciated.

Thank you once again!

BB.[/QUOTE]BB,

It has been 3 days since you posted this but so far no one is any wiser as to how you have had fun. How about some news / FRs as others have suggested. Always good to see a newbie perspective of the place.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2322625]We came to my condo and she wanted to go out drinking to a KTV that her friend was at. I said we're should get it on first then go out. After that we went to KTV where I discovered that it's a total scam and left before spending any money.

Around lunchtime another girl was messaging me asking for tuition money. I said to meet me at Wendy's and we'll talk. She was tiny and pretty sexy. Asked for 5 K for tuition. I told her I would give her 2000.[/QUOTE]Dude. Excellent job on not falling for bullshit! You are definitely ready for them. Most guys would have gone to the KTV first then spent a bunch of money because they didn't want to miss out on the girl. You told her let's fuck first before I spend anything. Then when you did get to the KTV you were smart and told her you were not about to spend a bunch of money on that bullshit. Again, most guys would have shelled out all that money still trying to impress a chick that they had already fucked.

And best of all you didn't fall for the 5K shit because "it would have cost way more back home." Yeah, but PI ain't home. You cut her offer in half and I am willing to bet that she accepted that shit pretty quickly. Most of the time they do. I just talked to a chick on WeChat for when I arrive next week. She told me 2000. I said too expensive. She immediately dropped to 1500.

Keep up the good mongering.

Just came from KL where it was a good scene for spas and bars. I checked into my place near P Burgos then went to the convenience store to buy some water and I'd have to say, this scene is waaaaay better. The SW are better looking and just seem nicer (I got propositioned 3 times by 3 different ladies going INTO the convenience store). I have all of Sunday and two weeknights to make up for a so-so KL trip. Thanks to everyone who's posted info here--it's helped me understand what I'm getting into. I'll be sure to post reviews / insights when I can; as I did in the KL forum.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2323204]Keep up the good mongering.[/QUOTE]After grabbing a nice afternoon nap, and then watching the sunset from the roof of the City Garden Grand I proceeded to P Burgos street. I visited ringside to see the midget boxing, which was a little silly. I was gratuitously groped and purchased a couple of LD then left. Went straight to Bottoms and picked a hottie named Sophia. After a couple LD I barfine her for ST and went back to condo. Very good time. Shower together, then nice BBBJ followed by several positions. Shower together again. Overall looks 8/10 performance 8/10. Cost 3900 BF, 3000 tip, plus a couple LD. I will say that these places are skilled at extorting money from you. Everyone wants a tip and the LDs flow fast. I could have enjoyed hanging out there longer but started buying LD too soon.

Last day I took a tour of Intramuros, then an afternoon nap. Chatted up another girl on PL and she came over. Cute girl that talked a lot. But she was really pleasant. Shower together then BBBJ and enthusiastic CG with DS finish. Shower again and smoked a couple cigarettes together. I gave her 3000. Looks 6/10 performance 8/10. Just right for me, performance is key.

PL was productive, but hit or miss on performance. I wanted to go to LAC but ran out of time. Thanks to all the old salts on here for the tips. I'm on the flight to USA now.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2322021]My own experience was from DIA, but just say you are in manila and in the second step ask for messenger, skype or whatsapp, don't talk too much on DIA or you can be banned depending on what you say. Better to talk outside DIA. And need a lot of Hi, I am in manila. Before getting the right one.

Others use wechat to get contacts close to you I guess but never tried.[/QUOTE]When I try creating an account on WeChat it asks me to get recommendations from 3 existing users. I don't know any existing users. How do I get past this requirement? Any workaround that anybody knows?

[QUOTE=WhatDHell;2323486]When I try creating an account on WeChat it asks me to get recommendations from 3 existing users. I don't know any existing users. How do I get past this requirement? Any workaround that anybody knows?[/QUOTE]I just registered for a WeChat account before coming to KL and here. Don't remember the app putting up too much of a fuss. You sure there isn't a very light "skip" button in one of the corners of the screen? I've been here for less than 24 hours and have had at least 20 people try to connect. Almost met someone but turns how she was a "he" (major props to the hotel staff here at Makati Palace to ask if I was sure I wanted a ladyboy). Note: ask if they are a ladyboy, always. Good luck!

[QUOTE=WhatDHell;2323486]When I try creating an account on WeChat it asks me to get recommendations from 3 existing users. I don't know any existing users. How do I get past this requirement? Any workaround that anybody knows?[/QUOTE]Is this a new requirement? I've signed up and I too didn't have 3 referees.

Unless you are keen to use the People Nearby feature to meet others, Viber and WhatsApp are more widely used for text and video chat and simpler.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WhatDHell;2323486]When I try creating an account on WeChat it asks me to get recommendations from 3 existing users. I don't know any existing users. How do I get past this requirement? Any workaround that anybody knows?[/QUOTE]
I said that I don't use it, but in fact I tried just now, and I saw that I already created an account one year ago and forgot it.

So what I saw also is that there is a new process about ID verification, and for that they propose 3 ways, send number by SMS, by mail, or by asking to friends.

If you chose the SMS, then you receive a number by SMS to enter in the verification screen, that's all.

May be you chose the 3rd way, asking to friends.

There is also a way to create an account not linked to the phone number or a facebook ,ID, but i didn't try it.

Was keen to try it as some reports mentioned getting a lot of success on it.

Must have missed the option of verification through SMS. Will give it a shot again.

[QUOTE=FunGames1970;2322625]So I took everyone's advice and told the 38 year old that my trip was delayed and I headed to Manila. My flight landed at 11 pm and the passport line was long. But since I was concerned about getting in so late I had a sexy 23 year old from pinalove on standby. She showed and was pretty sexy. Didn't ask for money yet. We came to my condo and she wanted to go out drinking to a KTV that her friend was at. I said we're should get it on first then go out. She showered and climbed into bed. I proceeded to do her in a couple of position, but no BJ or real good performance. After that we went to KTV where I discovered that it's a total scam and left before spending any money. She came with me and I got some food at a bar on p Burgos. Decent Cuban sandwich. She came home with me and stayed. Took care of the morning wood, but again nothing special. She asked for cab fare and I gave her 3000 pesos. Around lunchtime another girl was messaging me asking for tuition money. I said to meet me at Wendy's and we'll talk. She was tiny and pretty sexy. Asked for 5 K for tuition. I told her I would give her 2000. We came back to condo and settled on 2500. She complained that it was too big for her and we ended up doing mish only after brief BBBJ that was fair. Again not a stellar performer but fun all the same. I'm going to take a nap this afternoon and be ready for p Burgos prime time tonight. I'm willing to pay a bar fine and hope to find a better performer than the 2 pinalove girls. But I did shag 2 girls for 3 rounds in my first 12 hours here so can't complain.

Please assist me in understanding exactly how the p Burgos barfine system works so I can be an informed consumer tonight. I've RTFF but I'm a little slow so I'm not sure that I'm totally clear on it. Do you pay the bar and the girl, or just pay the bar and tip the girl if you want to?

Time for my nap now.[/QUOTE]Good job not falling for the typical scams. And you could get some free tips on p burgos here - [URL]https://www.budgetagency.org/adult-manila-sex-vacations.html[/URL].

There are 2 types of spa in Manila.

One where you can select the girl. Cost from $25 to $150 depending upon the type and standard. Only massage. If you need anything further you have to negotiate which ranges from $50 onwards.

Another type of spa is where you play blind. There are small cabins with extremely dim red light. Pay $30 at the counter and enter any one and fuck once. You don't know, of what looks and age is she. This is basically for low cost budget.

Hi brothers,

I would be travelling to Manila last week of May 2019 and looking forward to have a good time.

Plan is to stay in Pasay initially if nothing works out good over there then move to Makati.

If you folks have any good connects with classy chicks please DM me. Looking forward for some light in Manila.

Please help.

Cheers! Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=WhatDHell;2323713]Was keen to try it as some reports mentioned getting a lot of success on it.

Must have missed the option of verification through SMS. Will give it a shot again.[/QUOTE]They should just make a WeFuck app and be done with it.

Went to Air Force 1 - first time in several years, and what a disappointment. Maybe my memory is fading, but I remember this place with incredibly gorgeous women who were super-friendly and talented, which is what I told a buddy of mine when I brought him there. Unfortunately, it was just ok (maybe because it was a Sunday? The quality of the girls available was ok, the service was good (except CBJ! And it was a pain to get there and back from my hotel.

I guess I'll go to this place only when I have a brief layover at the airpot.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2324114]They should just make a WeFuck app and be done with it.[/QUOTE]And life would be simple again.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2324238]Went to Air Force 1 - first time in several years, and what a disappointment. Maybe my memory is fading, but I remember this place with incredibly gorgeous women who were super-friendly and talented, which is what I told a buddy of mine when I brought him there. Unfortunately, it was just ok (maybe because it was a Sunday? The quality of the girls available was ok, the service was good (except CBJ! And it was a pain to get there and back from my hotel.

I guess I'll go to this place only when I have a brief layover at the airpot.[/QUOTE]What time was that? And did you select from airforce or 168?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2322032]Firstly if you are having a great time already, why cramp your style with the laborious process of finding girls online? Nonetheless here goes.

Dating sites accessed by a laptop. Date in Asia, Filipino Cupid, Pina Love, Seeking Arrangement, etc.

Dating apps accessed by your mobile. Badoo, Tinder, WeChat, Skout, TanTan.

Nearly all of them operate more or less the same way. Paid membership is available on all except WeChat and DIA. Paid members definitely get more hits. Keep the conversation on the apps / website squeaky clean, and shift it ASAP to a chat / communication app like WhatsApp or Viber or Line or WeChat. Use a real pic to get real results.[/QUOTE]This is the first time I have seen someone recommend the app TanTan. It is gold in the Phils. When I was there a couple weeks ago, my phone went red hot, more than 100 likes / day! Can't keep up with it.

I got there around 9 pm and it was Air Force.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2324274]What time was that? And did you select from airforce or 168?[/QUOTE]

In case anyone is interested. Ended up with a Mi 6 A (US90 China version) and Android One A2 (on clearance around US170). Great specs for the price 3 GB RAM and 32 GB+ storage. Problem is not as many bands as the Moto. A2 does not have an external SD and does not support exfat. But it does have a 20 Megapixel camera. Mobile antenna pickup a little weak on both. And missing some small features. But nice that they can double as TV remotes. You really cannot beat the value you get for the price. Not too difficult to turn a China version 6 A to an International version.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2297467]Good luck with the China Mi phone. Let us know how it works out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2324705]In case anyone is interested. Ended up with a Mi 6 A (US90 China version) and Android One A2 (on clearance around US170).

You really cannot beat the value you get for the price. Not too difficult to turn a China version 6 A to an International version.[/QUOTE]And the potential problem with that is with Google pulling Chinese companies' license to run Android.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2324645]I got there around 9 pm and it was Air Force.[/QUOTE]Probably all the top tier girls were entertaining already, that is kind of peak time.

I guess I might give them one more try, but earlier!

[QUOTE=Transporter;2324823]Probably all the top tier girls were entertaining already, that is kind of peak time.[/QUOTE]

Well, it goes both ways, in a way. Don't think it effects the phones out there already. Also, the China version 6 A had the Google stuff banned already, hence cheaper. (I hear a lot of Google stuff is blocked in China) But easy to put Google stuff on to upgrade to international version. I think it is a US10-20 price cheaper for the China version. For me, I am not sure saving the money was worth the extra taps on the phone and the time spent Googling.

The Mi A2 Android One phone was off US internet and an international version. I just clicked on buy when I noticed that it was like US30 cheaper than the nearest competitor. I didn't bother to see if there was a China version to save even more. The next cheapest was a Moto / Lenovo, a China company.

The last I checked, I think luckily my cotton shirts were from Bangladash or SriLanka. Likewise for my sneakers. So I won't be totally naked.

I am also not sure, but the news was saying the problem is not Android, as it is open source, but the App Store and something else. I assume one could buy the hardware and install the software yourself? Kind of like a dual boot MAC / Windoz? Well, the next options are Samsung and Apple and Nokia and Sony which are twice the price. Oh, I haven't tried the new Pixel 3 A but that is at least cheaper than the flagship. Like the MOto, there is a long list of bands. My next phone this year will probably be a 5 G, which means a China brand. Want to check out how fast you can stream porn. LOL!

2 experiences near Manila Moa. Advertising via internet / social media, I reacted and received quickly pictures and tried both. Just wanted to share this outcome.

First one. Khim. Single picture looked pretty good so let's try. Location was Sea residences. So far so good. The girl arrived downstairs and after seeing her I kindly said that I have to go and will not join her upstairs. She accepted my apologies and asked why. She is a trans (a man, not visible at her picture).

Second one. Innah. Funny again location Sea residence again. Pictures moderate but my 2nd option as option 1 did not work out well. She arrived 15 minutes too late due to her shower. OK let's see and I was expected a good experience. I accepted to go with her although not entirely my type. We went in Tower A Floor 9. She is from Philippines and not from Singapore as she told me before (1). She actually looks different somewhat from her 3 pictures, older and full of tattoos (2) and as mentioned not my type (3). I told her massage only please. She agreed and did it. When leaving she asked for 1000 php extra and she was blocking the door to get the 1000 extra. Her "friend" a ladyboy came from behind to witness it trying to make pic of me. What a terrible experience in the end. I tried to open the door but difficult to do it harmlessly. I paid 1000 extra and left quickly as it is just a small amount. I'm writing this post. Perhaps not good for the reputation of her and other girls in this country. It gives me a bad feeling like this.

Just that you know. Lesson I learned is to walk away if girl is lying or not your type. Girl 2 was not from Singapore (1) and pictures were not accurate and real (2) and not my type (3). I should have walked away. Lying means you can not trust the girl and should have a good feeling when joining her. Especially if you are inside her apartment. Difficult to know when using social media.

[QUOTE=Star2019;2324023]There are 2 types of spa in Manila.

One where you can select the girl. Cost from $25 to $150 depending upon the type and standard. Only massage. If you need anything further you have to negotiate which ranges from $50 onwards.

Another type of spa is where you play blind. There are small cabins with extremely dim red light. Pay $30 at the counter and enter any one and fuck once. You don't know, of what looks and age is she. This is basically for low cost budget.[/QUOTE]Do you have any names for the places you described? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=DocInHeat;2324842]I guess I might give them one more try, but earlier![/QUOTE]I don't really go to those types of places any longer, as the value just doesn't' make sense. It only works if I have limited time.

But in the past what I use to do was go just a little before airforce one opens, and go to 168. That way you can take a look at 2 shifts (the early and the late shift for 168) and also the girls at airforce one (just getting ready). Make my selection based on 3 shifts.

Lately I have just been doing outcall. If I was to go out, I would probably do QC over Pasay / Paranaque.

[QUOTE=Auswebguy;2325335]Do you have any names for the places you described? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Quite a few but best PM me as can't give numbers out on the open forum. Look forward to the P Auswebguy.

[QUOTE=Michaello;2325093]She is from Philippines and not from Singapore as she told me before[/QUOTE]Okay. I have before asked why they would put Manila when they are in Cebu and the damn chick told me because more people will chat to her if she puts Manila. But now I am asking why these dumb ass broads put shit like Mexico, Hong Kong, Singapore, London when they are right the fuck in Manila or AC?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2325363]Okay. I have before asked why they would put Manila when they are in Cebu and the damn chick told me because more people will chat to her if she puts Manila. But now I am asking why these dumb ass broads put shit like Mexico, Hong Kong, Singapore, London when they are right the fuck in Manila or AC?[/QUOTE]If she's in Manila 'on holiday from' London / HK / Singapore etc then she must be very sophisticated and deserving of their prices. Well, in her mind anyway. 🙄.

P.S. When has there been any logical thought processes in any pina online discussion? LOL.

Enjoy. G.

I am in my dive hotel that I stay at in Manila for $30/night. I am about to check out and head to the main place I stay. The dude called from downstairs and I didn't answer the phone or press anything, but he was automatically talking and listening through the speaker phone asking if I would stay another night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2325363]Okay. I have before asked why they would put Manila when they are in Cebu and the damn chick told me because more people will chat to her if she puts Manila. But now I am asking why these dumb ass broads put shit like Mexico, Hong Kong, Singapore, London when they are right the fuck in Manila or AC?[/QUOTE]Because the last dude that scammed her, played her, paid her, or BF was from either Mexico, HK, Sillypore, or UK. Its still lingering in her mind, she invested so much time with him, and even had her future planned out that she would be moving there, so the thought is still stuck in her head.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2325594]Because the last dude that scammed her, played her, paid her, or BF was from either Mexico, HK, Sillypore, or UK. Its still lingering in her mind, she invested so much time with him, and even had her future planned out that she would be moving there, so the thought is still stuck in her head.[/QUOTE]The girls are looking for sponsers and getting hits from those places. They are more interested in getting money at the Western Union office than in actually meeting anyone. Also there are a good number who just want to chat because they are bored. Blah, blah, blah. Many guys from other countrys troll the Philippine sites for the same reason with no intention of ever meeting.

I got bamboozled, probably was info at one time in this group on the place. We picked up some chicks at Edsa complex which I have to say had a lot of high quality options available. Wanted to do karaoke with the chicks and they were down so we stopped at the big KTV place almost right next door. Well fuck is it expensive to pay to do karaoke in a place they're trying to get you to pay for chicks. They gave us a room charge which was a bit pricey, but then slid in an enterance fee on the end bill which we didn't pay or didn't pay much of because it was ridiculous. I will say though the KTV place had some pretty hot looking chicks and some big breasted ones that I think were from other countries. But considering what they charged us for not taking any girls I can't imagine what the take out price is there. I'the say so far in Manila Edsa had the best quality with Burgos being a very close second. We swore of LA and other places where it seems the baby damaged girls love to be so they can hide it better. I see bottoms posted on here a lot on Burgos and that place is pricey, drinks were double I guess I don't think it's worth paying double for a drink to suck on a tit. But being from Florida you can do that at any strip club there for much less. I did grab one girl from Burgos, big upstairs place probably had the most girls on the strip, super good match for me and for her age was pretty smart. I hate girls that negotiate and because that's work for me I pay as little as possible. I looked at the girl and told her I want to take you back with me tonight for the whole night, you trust me to take care of you? She said yes and that was the negotiations. Unfortunately that's when I pay the most and I could have got a few girls had I negotiated but I guess you got to do what makes sense for you. I didn't give any money to all these girls online constantly asking for money for some stupid problem. But one chick never asked, spent a ton of time talking and mentioned a birthday so I said let me send ya something to go out and she was shocked. And I'the normally say it was a ploy but it took her a few days to figure out how to set up paypal. I like the girls that don't hustle, but eventually they get burned by someone and grow cold I guess. So ready to go back to US though I don't know how guys live in this shithole and I actually think mongering in America is better than Philippines now. Prices have went up, quality and performance down, and with the underground system in the US I'm not paying that much more for girls that wouldn't last 10 minutes in any club in Asia. I guess that's one cultural change in the USA that has been for the better. Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2325798]I see bottoms posted on here a lot on Burgos and that place is pricey, drinks were double I guess I don't think it's worth paying double for a drink to suck on a tit. But being from Florida you can do that at any strip club there for much less.[/QUOTE]I feel the same exact way. I am from Atlanta and used to DJ at a strip club my last year of high school, so these bars / gogos are actually boring to me.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2325798]So ready to go back to US though I don't know how guys live in this shithole and I actually think mongering in America is better than Philippines now. [/QUOTE]WOW, prepare for incoming artillery!

[QUOTE=Stykler;2325826]WOW, prepare for incoming artillery![/QUOTE]As many times I have been in Manila I have never been to the bars. Much better options for my money.

I guess mongers have found value for them in these bars.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2325798]Wanted to do karaoke with the chicks and they were down so we stopped at the big KTV place almost right next door. Well fuck is it expensive to pay to do karaoke in a place they're trying to get you to pay for chicks. They gave us a room charge which was a bit pricey, but then slid in an enterance fee on the end bill which we didn't pay or didn't pay much of because it was ridiculous. I will say though the KTV place had some pretty hot looking chicks and some big breasted ones that I think were from other countries. But considering what they charged us for not taking any girls I can't imagine what the take out price is there. [/QUOTE]I went there shortly after they opened up. Urban Club or something like that. Never went back, total rip-off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2325370]I am in my dive hotel that I stay at in Manila for $30/night. I am about to check out and head to the main place I stay. The dude called from downstairs and I didn't answer the phone or press anything, but he was automatically talking and listening through the speaker phone asking if I would stay another night.[/QUOTE]Did you ever get to the bottom of why/how this occurred?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2325911]As many times I have been in Manila I have never been to the bars. Much better options for my money.

I guess mongers have found value for them in these bars.[/QUOTE]I live there and never go to the bars. I simply do not like the bar scene anyway and the girls in them are usually hardened pro's looking for max money for min effort.

IMHO much better to get a real GFE from the dating sites.

But different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2326057]Did you ever get to the bottom of why/how this occurred?[/QUOTE]Nope. I didn't even ask.

I think I saw someone write about LA Cafe cultural changes awhile back and I dismissed it. But I should have paid more attention, there is a whole section of LA Cafe now which is basically only looking for other Asians. I don't understand the mindset behind it, but if you walk up the stairs everything to the right for the most part is all Asian. The girls don't want anything but other Asian dudes, its so weird and kind of unbelievable. Maybe they can get away without full sex with the Asians, or maybe they just don't want large cock I don't know. I'm going to take another swing at it tomorrow night because well I like the hard to get, but it was pretty damn obvious.

Ended out checking out a new place called Titan Z, actually had a heck of a lot of great talent and it was a strip club too. It's pretty costly though, more than even Burgos but I saw girls I thought worth it. My buddy didn't want to stay though so we bounced I will try again. Basically it's going to cost 10 k all in to get a girl out of there. THey do have rooms there you can save money for staying there. Also had a taxi take us to a casa, I was totally against it because I saw no good reason with as much legal places to go there would be the need for a casa. Surprisingly there was one girl or probably girl there I would've taken, but I wouldn't take anyone out regardless of looks I couldn't figure out any good reason they'the be working at a hidden casa except for illegal / ladyboy / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] reasons.

I'm really trying to figure out the KTV deal on mimbini near LA Cafe, I don't get why guys pay money to just drink with girls if they can't pull them out of the place. Lots of good looking ones too, maybe I'm missing something. Ended up desperate and pulling one from Cafe Havana since my back up didn't want to drive over so late. Nothing special, looked a bit like Chrissy Teigen but talked too damn much.

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2326477]I think I saw someone write about LA Cafe cultural changes awhile back and I dismissed it..[/QUOTE]The original quip was Japanese 3-3-3, paying 3 k baht for their 3" dongs for 3 minutes. The women go where the money is and that is increasingly Korean. The Koreans and Japanese like to throw money about and act the hot shot. They also like to drink in groups and buy ladies' drinks. I have seen women in LA Cafe descend on them like migrating geese, not least because they tip every woman in sight at least 100 PHP for nothing. If I owned LA Cafe or similar, I would want Koreans and / or Japanese the Koreans have had a strong presence in Malate for at least 20 years. LA Cafe is simple economics.

Maybe its time to review some basics again for mongering in Asia.

1. Never pay up front in the Philippines because the money is already spent in their tiny brains and they know you are a fool so of course performance suffers. Do you not understand that they know you will become disinterested if they are terrible. Learned behavior.

Offer a fair price with a tip for world class performance, sadly half of them don't get this either.

2. If a deal is made in the bar and not honored, throw the ***** out with Cab fare not /3 not 1/2 cab fare and even that is being nice. A deal is a deal. I have done this 4 or 5 times I think. Then go to another place and get a new one.

3. IF it a terrible fuck don't pay the full amount unless it was your fault. IF its your fault pay them they kept their end of the bargain.

4. One guy got scammed for a k by a masseuse, they weigh 95 lbs her and the lady boy 190 lb and neither of them has ever done a push up. I don't support hitting them but moving them out of the way is pretty easy.

5. For every successful poor overpaid performance or scam, 10 more follow as they text their buddies and then they get ideas.

I have never paid my way out, old fashioned I guess I am a handshake guy and if I have to get rough with a thief well they won't be texting 10 friends afterwards will they.

I only ever had to get physical with one drunk woman in BKK, I did not hit her but I did physically remove her from my room.

Don't think for one minute that overpaying is good, it ain't!

And as a general rule the hotter they talk in the bar the worse they are in bed!

I for one don't lie to them, I treat them as well as I do women at home and it works very very well. Lots or freebies and repeats from the paid ones. I have had pros text me at 3 am just to come sleep with me and then there is a nice morning play!

Be nice Karma exists even in the Philippines.

That is my 100 pesos.

PP.

I have never paid my way out, old fashioned I guess and if I have to get rough with a thief well they won't be texting 10 friends afterwards will they.

I only ever had to get physical with a drunk woman in BKK, I did not hit her but I did physically remove her from my room.

Don't think for one minute that overpaying is good, it ain't!

[QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2326477]I think I saw someone write about LA Cafe cultural changes awhile back and I dismissed it. But I should have paid more attention, there is a whole section of LA Cafe now which is basically only looking for other Asians. [/QUOTE]Chatting to a girl in LA cafe last week, she was not interested in me and told me Koreans pay 4 k more than us western guys and they tip good, it's cheaper than that in Europe. I still pulled a few from there as some girls still only go with white guys, I paid 1500-2000 Hi sorry but I am in the UK now for a few months for ST. If you get good service then stick with her, I got one exceptional service and two average from LaC. Most nights the girls far outnumber the guys, but some girl just wait for the golden Korean goose which never shows up.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2326592]
And as a general rule the hotter they talk in the bar the worse they are in bed!
[/QUOTE]And this children is today's lesson. Write it 1000 times.

It is economics. That is why the attitude and quality is so bad in the US. I enjoy the PI. You get so much more bang for your buck. It always amazes me when guys throw thousands at the girls in the States. Yes in USD.

No matter where you are, some girls will come to you if you splash money. Once the money is gone, so will those girls.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2326484]The original quip was Japanese 3-3-3, paying 3 k baht for their 3" dongs for 3 minutes. The women go where the money is and that is increasingly Korean. The Koreans and Japanese like to throw money about and act the hot shot. They also like to drink in groups and buy ladies' drinks. I have seen women in LA Cafe descend on them like migrating geese, not least because they tip every woman in sight at least 100 PHP for nothing. If I owned LA Cafe or similar, I would want Koreans and / or Japanese the Koreans have had a strong presence in Malate for at least 20 years. LA Cafe is simple economics.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MadisonGuy;2326477]I think I saw someone write about LA Cafe cultural changes awhile back and I dismissed it. But I should have paid more attention, there is a whole section of LA Cafe now which is basically only looking for other Asians. I don't understand the mindset behind it, but if you walk up the stairs everything to the right for the most part is all Asian. The girls don't want anything but other Asian dudes, its so weird and kind of unbelievable. Maybe they can get away without full sex with the Asians, or maybe they just don't want large cock I don't know. I'm going to take another swing at it tomorrow night because well I like the hard to get, but it was pretty damn obvious.[/QUOTE]

If you are in need of a sure thing then always happy to share. Pm me.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2326855]It is economics. That is why the attitude and quality is so bad in the US. I enjoy the PI. You get so much more bang for your buck. It always amazes me when guys throw thousands at the girls in the States. Yes in USD.

No matter where you are, some girls will come to you if you splash money. Once the money is gone, so will those girls.[/QUOTE]It takes certain type adventurism to go to other countries chasing women. In spite of the world opening up many in USA are afraid of traveling to other countries. Unfortunately most good, cheap places to monger is many hours flight. When I say I fly 15 hours non stop many of the jaws drop.

Hello all,

After browsing this thread for tips and tricks for some time, I finally had the opportunity to visit the Philippines briefly. Prior to my trip, I messaged a bunch of girls on DIA but only had one who was replied and available during the time I would be in country. Oh well, I'll take my chances with her and see what happens. I arrived at the airport just past midnight on a Tuesday and take a cab to my hotel around the Robinson mall area, 450 pesos, and was dead tired from my flight so decided to crash. During the day I had business to take care of, so it wasn't until late afternoon that I had time to drop by Starbucks and Cafe Havana at greenbelt. There weren't many FL there that looked younger than 35 or of the slim variety, so grabbed a bite and headed back to the hotel.

Around 10 pm, I headed to La Cafe and saw it was decently crowded. Headed over to a table with a group of girls, and a slightly older girl with tattoos kind of took charge and started sweet talking to me. I made a mistake here and should have taken her up on her offer, but instead I picked a younger-looking girl with a fresh face. This younger girl hadn't been speaking much to me, but she was by far the most attractive out of the group. I kind of got pressured into buying her a ladies drink, but by this point I was only thinking with my little head, so I guess it's mistake umber two? Anyways we settled on 2 k ST. Back in the room, her attitude started to show and everything felt very business-like. I had to prompt her to undress, take a shower, and start the BBBJ. It was fairly mediocre and I just told her to get on her back after 10 minutes. We started in mish, and what felt like 10 minutes later, she starts to look at the clock, saying she has to go back soon. This made me a bit angry, so I told her to get into doggie and I pounded her hard to let off some of my frustration. I managed to convince her to take my thumb in her bum, and this situation was hot enough that I came soon after. All in all, no tip due to her attitude and performance, but 8/10 looks.

Found a few more pics, just pm me if you are in need she is very reliable.

I went to LA Cafe the other night. I hate when chicks come up to your table trying to make small talk and they will not leave. Anyway there were 3 chicks. I decided that I liked one of them. I asked her how much for all night and she said 3000. I said negative. I will give you 2000 and you stay until 9 am. She wanted 2500. I said if you make me think you are my girlfriend then I will give you 500 more. Got back to the room and this chick was no good at sex. Bust one and went to sleep. I woke up at 6 am to go to the toilet and my dick was hard as a rock. I got back in the bed and stuck it in her. Bust again and she asked if she could go now. I said sure. I gave her the 2000 and she wanted more. I said I would give you 500 if you made me think you were my girlfriend, but that did not happen. She asked for 200 more and I just gave it to her and she left. At 10 am my university dean came over for a serving before I checked out of my dive hotel.

What you did was really unfair. You promised her 500 if she made you think she was your GF and then she went way beyond and she made you think she was your wife.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327572]I went to LA Cafe the other night. I hate when chicks come up to your table trying to make small talk and they will not leave. Anyway there were 3 chicks. I decided that I liked one of them. I asked her how much for all night and she said 3000. I said negative. I will give you 2000 and you stay until 9 am. She wanted 2500. I said if you make me think you are my girlfriend then I will give you 500 more. Got back to the room and this chick was no good at sex. Bust one and went to sleep. I woke up at 6 am to go to the toilet and my dick was hard as a rock. I got back in the bed and stuck it in her. Bust again and she asked if she could go now. I said sure. I gave her the 2000 and she wanted more. I said I would give you 500 if you made me think you were my girlfriend, but that did not happen. She asked for 200 more and I just gave it to her and she left. At 10 am my university dean came over for a serving before I checked out of my dive hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cons68;2327628]What you did was really unfair. You promised her 500 if she made you think she was your GF and then she went way beyond and she made you think she was your wife.[/QUOTE]LOL. You have a fucking point!

[QUOTE=Transporter;2327421]Found a few more pics, just pm me if you are in need she is very reliable.[/QUOTE]TP: Your inbox is full. Apparently she's *that* hot.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2327658]TP: Your inbox is full. Apparently she's *that* hot.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up, just emptied.

I know this girl. She is very good and reliable. Does BDSM too.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2327421]Found a few more pics, just pm me if you are in need she is very reliable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cons68;2327628]What you did was really unfair. You promised her 500 if she made you think she was your GF and then she went way beyond and she made you think she was your wife.[/QUOTE]That was good for a full-on belly laugh, thanks!

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2327764]That was good for a full-on belly laugh, thanks![/QUOTE]Some people would argue that is not funny when it is true.

Better late than never. Wanted to get this review out before it gets too dated. Visited Manila and late part of February this year for a week.

Where did I stay?

I stayed in an bnb for 2 days (closer to Greenbelt1 and very walkable to Havana). Just lookup in the greenbelt area (it says Trassiera). Clearly says guests are allowed and the security is pretty easy going!. Bed is not super great so I decided to move and went to New World (great hotel right across Havanas) and then to Makati residences (again not too far) for the reminder of the group. New world and Makati are not if you are on budget and was easily costing around 130 USD a day. However, with New World and Makati, I was able to attract and retain talent much more easily (more on this later).

The Game.

First and foremost, if you can't hunt in Manila, you really have to question your capabilities. You don't need to be a well-built dude to hunt here. Being a foreigner gets you extra points everywhere. You from US? Even better. Caucasian still is top of the food chain. Japs and Koreans are considered primarily as dollar source. I hunted primarily from 3 places. Tinder, Facebook and Smooci and all of them were successful (pretty much close to 100 percent0 with the best GF types coming from FB.

Day 1 - Landed on day 1 - got my SIM card in airport (may have slightly overdone it -but took a 40 dollar package that will allow tethering as well). Even the girls out in the counter were super friendly and I did get a number (didn't put it to use) as a part of "test: calling!. You can pay for SIM in USD. Also did some exchange to get me some pesos for the PM. Got Grab going (they pick you up right in front). On the cab, downloaded Tinder and by the time I went to my place around 7:30 PM. There were quite a few DM. I was too tired and somewhat skeptical of a lot of messages (lot of LB prowls there), Found a province girl that looked doable in photos. Asked her to show up at a bar near Havanas. Met her and she said the was out to Manila for a few weeks (I think she said she was getting trained as a chef), Not a great looking girl (looked like a Moreno) but with some solid tops. A quick talk and 1.5 k for the reminder of the evening -gets her to my place and after about an hour of activities in fairly GFE fashion. I sent her off (she didn't want to go as she was comfy here and said she was sharing her place with friends). Prompt deleted / blocked her as she walked as I had no plans of seeing her again.

Day 2 - A few of my friends were flying in and so was lounging around AM. Perfect Pint was the place that I spent pretty much most of my early mornings. 11 AM beer and some food in one of greenbelt's restaurants was pretty much the routine. Evening of Day 2 was spent in Burgos hopping on from one bar to another. Rogues looked pretty solid and so did Plan be. However, came back to Greenbelt area to source in Havanas as I did the pickup around 12 midnight and found a decent one that used to live in Dubai. It was somewhat slightly on the higher side at 7 k until next day Am (but I was in no mood to negotiate). Got her in the place and she did complain about the bed being somewhat older and squeaky!. It was pretty decent session overall and by 3 am I sent her back home as well.

Day 3 - Day 6: My friends felt like Havana quality was not up to par and I suggested that we smooci. Plus a few of my friends wanted daytime activity so that they can get wasted completely at night without having any worries about performing. We Did the Smooci and connected with quite some decent selections. I grabbed one goes by Rachelle (I had met her last trip as well) - fairly expensive for Manila at 10000 php fpr 3 hours -somewhat tough to get based on her schedule -but her services were very solid. She has bolted on racks that felt pretty decent. One of my friend signed up with one that goes by Pamela. He pretty much hooked up with her for rest of the trip. He was not spending more than 7 K a day on her. I had done some legwork with FB (easy to find. Just look for word walker and manila and start making friends) and every day was landing quite a few variety. From semi-pro to fairly pro. Some of these walkers require some reference so for the first one that you grab out of FB. Just spend a little bit more and have her write a FR (First review is what that is) and then you are all set.

I obviously would suggest that you create your own bogus FB account for this.

Day 7: On Day 6, I went and played golf in the only half-decent public golf course (which is near the airport and I forget the name of it). While coming back, I was doing some friendly chat with the girl in the reception area. As soon as I left the place. I got a text message. Turns out that girl looked at the number I had written (thankfully my local number) and messaged me with her Whatsapp ID). She was not super great -but my urge to bang someone just kinda normal took over and an hour later she was purring in my room in diamond residence. True GFE types, no ask for any money whatsoever. Took her for dinner and some drinks in Havanas where we rated all the other girls and then came back and went until late and then woke me up AM and drained me. Had breakfast, took her to Robinson and insisted she buy something, She got herself some perfume / make up set (damage like 100 USD). Got her a grab and sent her away.

It was too bad that I was leaving Manila that evening.

To sum it up, if you treat the girls right -you will do great with the girls there!.

So after my disappointing time with the LAC girl, I decided to follow up with my DIA girl. Her profile pic was a 7/10, claimed to be 23 year old And had no children. When I picked her up from the lobby, she looked pretty close to her profile pictures and produced an ID that showed her to be actually 23. It was early in the evening still, so we went to mall of Asia, walked around, grabbed dinner, and she acted like a real GF for a while. Afterwards, we bought some alcohol from a 7-11, went back to the hotel, and queued up a movie. It was honestly a pretty nice experience, we were both lounging on the bed in our underwear, she had her head on my chest, and I was occasionally playing with her tits and ass. After the movie finished, she went to "freshen up" without me having to say anything. The rest of the night was DFK, BBBJ, and CFS in a couple of different positions. The GFE experience was phenomenal, sex pretty decent, and looks above average. The next morning, I woke up first and started teasing her nipples and clit. What she said next really got me going, "I want it in. " Damn, I love it when a woman shows initiative and can at least pretend she enjoys her job. Anyways, round 2 was just as satisfying as the first round, and we went to the ocean park mid-morning. It was some time here that apparently she lost her wallet, a convenient excuse or not, and I told her I'd cover some of her money. Prior to now, there had been no mention of exchanging money at all, but I was fully prepared to give her something. Lo and behold, she had 3 k missing, and considering what a great time it had been, I just decided to give her the entire amount. My only regret is I have other business to attend the last couple of days and will have no time by myself.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2328038].....

To sum it up, if you treat the girls right -you will do great with the girls there!.[/QUOTE]That is so true. The local males treat their women like shit. Never spending a p more on them than they need to, putting them down, leaving them alone when they want to go drinking with the boys all the way up to some serious mental and physical abuse.

Treat them like human beings, spend a little on them, just for themselves, be gentle with them and you will be rewarded.

This of course does not apply to the more hardened pro's. They just see you as a walking ATM and are only interested in getting as much cash out of you for as little effort as possible. That is why my target group is the regular girls looking for some fun and perhaps a gift or two. I have had the best GFE's out of this group with overall very little effort, I just treat them nice and enjoy the fun time both in and out of bed with them.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2328038]To sum it up, if you treat the girls right -you will do great with the girls there!.[/QUOTE]Sure thing. This advise is the common sense in Phil. I seldom comment on how much other mongers spend on girls, but this report really made me wonder. Spending 7-10.000 peso on FL girls just seems crazy IMO. There are in fact 2 different price levels in Manila; in Burgos bars and EDSA you have to spend a total of around 6000 peso to get a girl LT. This is very high price for a third world country like Philippines, but the quality especially in some Burgos bars is really high and according to most reports also their performance in bed is top class. Freelancers in bars like LA Cafe, Havana Cafe, streets, other bars etc. Can be had for 1500 - 2500 peso LT. There is no need to pay any more and you HAVE to negotiate. I have pulled girls from bars and street and also Havana but I always start or counter with 1500 LT. If they decline I move on to the next one. I understand that if you meet a real diamond you want to stretch the budget, but if you are caucasian and not too old there is no need to pay more than 3000 peso LT no matter how hot the girl might be. Just an advise based on my experience with over 10 years mongering in Manila.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2328038]I hunted primarily from 3 places. Tinder, Facebook and Smooci and all of them were successful

To sum it up, if you treat the girls right -you will do great with the girls there!.[/QUOTE]Great report, thank you for the time and effort.

P.S. - You don't "hunt" on Smooci. It's an app to connect with escorts.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2328343]P.S. - You don't "hunt" on Smooci. It's an app to connect with escorts.[/QUOTE]Case of the hunter not knowing he is the one being hunted.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2328038]
Just look for word walker and manila and start making friends) and every day was landing quite a few variety. From semi-pro to fairly pro.

[/QUOTE]Kris, can you give links to some profiles as a seed. I am pretty good at Medellin FB game, but can't seem to crack this one.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2328038]

To sum it up, if you treat the girls right -you will do great with the girls there!.[/QUOTE]You went from 1500 over night to 10 k for 3 hours when you're buddies arrived. Looks like they are a bad (and expensive) influence. LOL.

I assume this was the boys' dirty weekend that you were asking about Claire and Burgos for a while back so its good to hear everyone had a fun time. 👍. Thanks for posting a report of how it went.

Cheers. G

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2328418]Kris, can you give links to some profiles as a seed. I am pretty good at Medellin FB game, but can't seem to crack this one.[/QUOTE]KS, literally just type "Manila walker" into the Facebook search bar then throw a dart at the wall to pick which one.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328680]Did they really remember you or did they play that game like psychics do to make you think they remembered you? [/QUOTE]The give-away is when they call you by name, after at least 2 years absence.

I walked into Jools recently with a couple who were visiting me from down under (guy is a mate). I have not been in Jools for at least 2 years (could be more).

I had suggested we go to Jools to see the show, and indicated to them that I hadn't been there for ages so I didn't know if it was still as good as before.

We reach the top of the stairs to be greeted by a cheery "Hi XX, great to see you back again".

My mate smiled. His wife looked surprised. It seemed like I was fibbing to my friends and was actually a regular.

I was stunned, and realized I must have used my real name on the last visit (I usually use an alias).

When I got an opportunity I asked the girl how in hell she remembered me after such a long time and she just smiled and said "It's my job".

It gets worse. I am a lurker. I stick to the dark corners and keep a low profile. No round of drinks. I don't think I have any distinguishing features like a hunchback or giant mole or nose or ear. I like to think that I can blend into the crowd. Lo and behold, I would be walking down the street in some international city and a girl would look at me and say Hi. "Oh. Mr. XXXX, how are you?" It would be a Manila girl in Singapore, Hong Kong, or some other city. How do they do that? I cannot recognize many of the girls in the light of day.

The good thing is that the real pros will not not say anything if you are with someone and will wait till you are alone.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2328928]The give-away is when they call you by name, after at least 2 years absence.
When I got an opportunity I asked the girl how in hell she remembered me after such a long time and she just smiled and said "It's my job".[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2328928]

When I got an opportunity I asked the girl how in hell she remembered me after such a long time and she just smiled and said "It's my job".[/QUOTE]Or she is one of 13 kids and lives in an area where everyone knows everyone else. Remebering others' details is definitely an acquired skill. Compare that to the west where it's getting more common not to know the name of your next door neighbor.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2231429]As for the local girls I used to talked; every body had a common impression about this place. That is 'Most unsafe place in Manila." Snatching, pick pocketing, mugging etc all things happening here.

The girls are hanging around the Hotel Sogo or seated on the steps of over pass. If you walk through the foots pimps are knocking you to pick one. Filthy, nasty and Dirty; Huge possibilities to be infected if some one even touch any of them. You are making me surprised if you see these girls are beautiful or acceptable for penetrate your tools.[/QUOTE]Sorry for very late reply I didn't connect here since my last posts about China and Manila in October.

I am not tall and strong, I don't look impressive but as I said I go in pasay rotonda for years, I walk the area all the time, even at 3 am, never been problem. Of course I never bring big money and never bring my smartphone (I have a simple one to put my Philippines simcard) and I wear simple t-shirt, short, sleeper or shoes. In short: I does not look like I am carrying 5000 pesos in cash with me.

That funny because the only time I had trouble in Manila was in Malate / Ermita area at 5 pm the 1st time I ve been there when after I exit the Robinson I refuse to give money to a man who told me he is working in my hotel and today that her niece birthday blablabla. And the same day, when a man try to pickpocket me in Adriatico street meanwhile another show me sunglasses he was selling.

Pasay rotonda is much safer than Malate / Ermita at night time (that my opinion). It can be impressive / scary because it is poor area, crowned and dodgy but that OK. And yes some street girls are as pretty as the one in hooker bar. At least 4 or 5 beauties on 30 - 40 prostitutes.

I like to stay there, you can go every where by public transport (or taxi that not a problem to have one) : makati malls, BGC (with a change), MOA, Malate / Ermita, karaoke bar in paranaque, the airport (both T1, T2 and T3) and even as far as Cubao. A good night for me is to go eat at MOA, then go back to my hotel take a shower or directly go to a a small karaoke bar (in paranaque (not far from solaire) where they sell beer cheaper than in the 7 / 11, have some beer drinks, sing along (20 pesos for 3 songs) . Then take back the jeepney to pasay rotonda and fuck 1 or 2 times and then go sleep safely in my room (shogun now urban traveller is good budget place)! Total damage for 1 night full of fun: 1000 pesos - 1200 pesos. I also sometime make friend, both men, girls and ladyboy. Filipino are warm-welcome, when they see you in places you are not suppose to be they often come to talk with you. Otherwise if you make friend with girl (not the waiter of the bar or the karaoke because they are professional) and pay her drinks, some entertainment that often she will reward you by going to your room for 1 hour or for the night. That already happened to me at least 3 times in 8 trips.

Otherwise if you are not too old the best it is to find a regular girlfriend from DIA. I always find for free who want more or less serious relationship. In 8 trips to the Philippines I have always find a nice educated girl between 21 and 29 years for free (or little damage like 5000 pesos for 1 week if she take a work leave) and me I was 32 to 39 years.

Is it a smart phone app? Stupid question but my google apps does not show it?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2328343]Great report, thank you for the time and effort.

P.S. - You don't "hunt" on Smooci. It's an app to connect with escorts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2331419]Is it a smart phone app? Stupid question but my google apps does not show it?[/QUOTE]It is a web site that has listings of actively working girls, when they are listed they are available for immediate encounters. Rates pics etc all shown. You can get a premium membership that provides access to reviews and you can live track her progress to your hotel.

There is a banner ad on most pages here. They operate in many cities around the world.

[QUOTE=WSlover123;2329966]Pasay rotonda is much safer than Malate / Ermita at night time (that my opinion). It can be impressive / scary because it is poor area, crowned and dodgy but that OK. And yes some street girls are as pretty as the one in hooker bar. At least 4 or 5 beauties on 30 - 40 prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I have walked all around there many times and only saw super fuglies standing outside the couple cheap hotels. The guy is calling you in, but I declined. The girls try to get you in also.

I am very interested in what area the 30 to 40 hookers are to be found. Are they standing on the street or under the LRT extension towards Baclaran or. ?

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2331419]Is it a smart phone app? Stupid question but my google apps does not show it?[/QUOTE]Strange! Its available on Android and iOS. This screen shot is from Oct 2018.

I'm interested to know about others' recent experiences at NAIA 3. I arrived about 8 pm on May 9th and found the area beyond customs comparatively crowded with those arriving and others presumably waiting for them. In other recent trips I have walked across the several driveways / roadways and gotten a regular white cab at the furthest roadway--with no waiting, no fuss, except for occasional drivers who don't want to use the meter. Prior to white cabs being allowed at the terminals, I usually took the yellow airport taxis, with little waiting and without drivers trying to bargain around the meter.

Now the regular cabs have been moved to bay 12, and still out at the furthest roadway. A long line of at least 200 cab seekers was on the other side, with the line backed up way under the skyway. Forget it. So I went looking for yellow airport cabs, which are only a little more expensive than regular cabs but better maintained. Again, long, long lines. I don't ever remember lines that long, not at any of the terminals within the last three or four years. I finally settled for the more high-priced coupon cabs, and even then had to wait in line about 20 minutes. There were also long lines waiting for Grab.

I asked the driver why the taxi lines were so long, and he suggested that there were a lot of late arriving planes. But the lines for taxis were disproportionately long relative to the crowds inside, so it seemed more like a bottleneck situation.

Departing on the morning of the 29th I encountered a different kind of bottleneck getting into the terminal. Previously it was sufficient to arrive two hours before departure. Not this time. Long, long lines trying to get through the two entry door security checkpoints. (These outside security checkpoints are so ineffectual that their only apparent utility is for the cab-driver-and-security-agent-collaborators who worked the old "bullets in the luggage" bribe game.) I did notice a lot of porters in purple / burgundy outfits offering to help people bypass the usual lines--presumably for a fee. I was getting a little nervous when I was still in line outside the terminal at 75 minutes before flight time. There were signs near the entry doors indicating that senior citizens and "persons with disabilities" could bypass the line, so I asked a nearby porter whether this applied to foreign senior citizens as well. "No, only Filipinos. " But he asked if I was alone, and since I was, he whisked me past the line. I moved quickly to get my bags onto the conveyor, and when I looked back he was gone before I could tip him.

Inside there were no long lines at any of the airline ticket counters, so this was a specific kind of bottleneck that could have been solved by opening a third and / or fourth entry door. I should note there were also long lines to get through the three or four metal detector security checkpoints between ticketing and the departure gates, but these lines were moving fairly quickly.

WTF is going on with terminal 3? Are other people experiencing these same clusterfucks? Any advice for avoiding these bottlenecks other than paying the porters and pre-arranging drivers to pick you up on the arrival level?

Soapy,

T3 has always been swamped. Over the past year or so a few more International carriers have relocated to T3 from T1. Huge crowds form from outgoing and incoming Filipino OFW's, along with sendoff or welcoming families.

A few years ago there were very long lines of awaiting taxi passengers with no taxis in sight. Now there are some lines of taxis. I guess this is an improvement!

Your best bet to enter T3 and bypass the x-ray line is to use the porters. I use the porters all the time. Not only do they bypass the long lines they take me directly to the senior citizen check in counter. Usually there is only 2 or 3 in line.

I tip the porters 100-200 pesos. Some times I slip the gate keeper at the senior check in 50 pesos.

It is strange but most people don't mind you cutting in line with the porter, they are kind of happy that the porter will be getting a tip. They graciously let the porter in from of them. Same with the check in people.

Arrival is a different story. You can go to Bay 13-14 and hop on the Resort World shuttle bus and get dropped off at one of the hotels and get a taxi from there. Last month I used the Resort World shuttle and got off at the first stop, Belmont Hotel, used the Grab app and got a car within 5 minutes.

You didn't say where you were going to from the airport. It might help to know that.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2332731]

WTF is going on with terminal 3? Are other people experiencing these same clusterfucks? Any advice for avoiding these bottlenecks other than paying the porters and pre-arranging drivers to pick you up on the arrival level?[/QUOTE]I'm a reasonably frequent user of Cebu Pacific and don't have roo much trouble. Having said that most of my flights are red eyes so that helps with limiting numbers in the terminal.

If I arrive early or have a longish transit, I make use of things Airport Liunge to get away from the hordes and rest in peace. The Capsules are well worth it.

[URL]http://jipang-group.com/thewings/[/URL]

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2332781]I'm a reasonably frequent user of Cebu Pacific and don't have roo much trouble. Having said that most of my flights are red eyes so that helps with limiting numbers in the terminal.

If I arrive early or have a longish transit, I make use of things Airport Liunge to get away from the hordes and rest in peace. The Capsules are well worth it.

[URL]http://jipang-group.com/thewings/[/URL]

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]That is what I do but the international flights can arrive mid afternoon at times and that is likely what Soapy experienced as then a dogs breakfast. What I do dislike are the large number of people meeting friends and family as this just adds to the overall throng of people in the terminal. You can't stop it but why do some bring lola, lolo and all 15 relatives for one person and then stand and greet them etc thus holding up others at times who are trying to get out. This happened a lot in some Middle East airport but there was stopped when kids actually ran into the arrival hall area when the doors opened. And then the parents followed!

DG has a sensible solution to the taxis.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2332735]Soapy,

T3 has always been swamped. Over the past year or so a few more International carriers have relocated to T3 from T1. Huge crowds form from outgoing and incoming Filipino OFW's, along with sendoff or welcoming families.

(snip)

I tip the porters 100-200 pesos. Some times I slip the gate keeper at the senior check in 50 pesos.

(snip)

You didn't say where you were going to from the airport. It might help to know that.[/QUOTE]Thanks G and Dg for your replies. The increased number of carriers moving to T3 makes sense. Tipping suggestions are helpful; 200 php is not a lot of money for anybody who can afford to travel to and from the Phils. It strikes me that average Filipinos don't think in terms of large tips, to cabbies, waiters, porters, or anybody else, and then they extend a sort of class deference to foreigners who do give comparatively large tips--by Filipino standards. It's the same sort of class deference that leads Filipinos to keep re-electing the same families to national office, as though only a small group of wealthy families are capable of performing these duties.

Last two trips I had a condo near SM Manila. Both times the taxis, one regular, one coupon, took me down Roxas Blvd. and crossed over to Taft at Luneta Park. The taxi travel time was not bad at all. I guess I was spoiled my last time in via PAL from San Francisco in November. Arrival at 4 am and departure at 9 pm, thus missing the worst of the crowds at T3. Perhaps PAL has the luxury of planning around NAIA traffic, especially for flights that cross the International Date Line.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2332735]
I tip the porters 100-200 pesos. Some times I slip the gate keeper at the senior check in 50 pesos.
[/QUOTE]I tip the porters too when there are large lines. They seem happy with 100 p and it is worth every centavo.

Good advice about arrivals too. I waited in line about 20 minutes for a metered taxi last time I arrived and I thought that was an improvement from the time before. But don't get me started on MNL taxis. LOL. One night I couldn't find a taxi to save my soul. I ended up walking from the Fairmont (GreenBelt) to Burgos St. It only took about 30 minutes. Another night I started out in a taxi, but traffic was at a standstill halfway there, so I bailed a few blocks from Burgos St. and walked the rest of the way. I think the taxi beat me there by a head. No problem getting a taxi at COD (Aseana City) however.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2332910]I tip the porters too when there are large lines. They seem happy with 100 p and it is worth every centavo.

Good advice about arrivals too. I waited in line about 20 minutes for a metered taxi last time I arrived and I thought that was an improvement from the time before. But don't get me started on MNL taxis. LOL. One night I couldn't find a taxi to save my soul. I ended up walking from the Fairmont (GreenBelt) to Burgos St. It only took about 30 minutes. Another night I started out in a taxi, but traffic was at a standstill halfway there, so I bailed a few blocks from Burgos St. and walked the rest of the way. I think the taxi beat me there by a head. No problem getting a taxi at COD (Aseana City) however.[/QUOTE]Natty, the much better alternative is Grab! Download the app, choose the credit card payment option, and enjoy the ride.

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2333244]Natty, the much better alternative is Grab! Download the app, choose the credit card payment option, and enjoy the ride.[/QUOTE]Slow down buddy. There are many times when Grab is not available when you come in to the airport. Like Dg said, you have to hop on that Resorts World shuttle and go over to those hotels and try to order one from there or get a taxi from over there.

Hello gents,

Would you recommend visiting Manila / Angeles in mid Aug. 10-20 ?The purpose of my visit would be solely for mongering and am bit reluctant because of the rain. I have seen reports on tripadvisor of manila getting flooded and people advising against visiting albeit for tourism. I checked the weather reports and most suggest sporadic showers / thunderstorms for most days. Would weather affect availability of girls?

BR,

Nazgyl.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2331900]Strange! Its available on Android and iOS. This screen shot is from Oct 2018.[/QUOTE]I remember reading on the smooci thread, the app is for escorts to quickly check the booking and respond. The clients would have to use the web I suppose.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2333921]Hello gents,

Would you recommend visiting Manila / Angeles in mid Aug. 10-20 ?The purpose of my visit would be solely for mongering and am bit reluctant because of the rain. I have seen reports on tripadvisor of manila getting flooded and people advising against visiting albeit for tourism. I checked the weather reports and most suggest sporadic showers / thunderstorms for most days. Would weather affect availability of girls?

BR,

Nazgyl.[/QUOTE]Monsoon season is terrible. So bad that girls fuck old ugly foreigners hoping for a ticket out of there.

My best memories are holed up in a hotel room with 3 sweeties for a few days riding out the storm.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2333921]Hello gents,

Would you recommend visiting Manila / Angeles in mid Aug. 10-20 ?The purpose of my visit would be solely for mongering and am bit reluctant because of the rain. I have seen reports on tripadvisor of manila getting flooded and people advising against visiting albeit for tourism. I checked the weather reports and most suggest sporadic showers / thunderstorms for most days. Would weather affect availability of girls?

BR,

Nazgyl.[/QUOTE]Kind of depends on how much rain. Rainy season is typhoon season, so a typhoon will affect the girls yes. And heavy rains will effect the girls also, but more so in Manila. In AC I wouldn't worry about the rain too much (unless you melt with water) there are so many girls, and there for sure will be enough to go around, yes the numbers may be a little less, buy you may not even notice. In Manila, heavy rains will effect the girls, as they don't have a good water drainage system there, and the streets / roads will get flooded hindering transportation. There is good and bad with that, depending where the girls are stranded it could also work to your favor, as the last heavy rain stranded many girls at work. KTV girls who don't normally go out with customers were eager to do overnights with clients (found them on wechat). Just as long as you stay at a hotel that has a backup generator and provisions enough so you can get things to eat. Don't stay on the ground floor, and if a heavy rain is due in, stock up on some supplies (water and food). I didn't have a problem before but it was only flooding for a week, I guess if it was longer, it would have been a problem.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2332904]Thanks G and Dg for your replies. The increased number of carriers moving to T3 makes sense. Tipping suggestions are helpful; 200 php is not a lot of money for anybody who can afford to travel to and from the Phils. It strikes me that average Filipinos don't think in terms of large tips, to cabbies, waiters, porters, or anybody else, and then they extend a sort of class deference to foreigners who do give comparatively large tips--by Filipino standards. It's the same sort of class deference that leads Filipinos to keep re-electing the same families to national office, as though only a small group of wealthy families are capable of performing these duties.

Last two trips I had a condo near SM Manila. Both times the taxis, one regular, one coupon, took me down Roxas Blvd. and crossed over to Taft at Luneta Park. The taxi travel time was not bad at all. I guess I was spoiled my last time in via PAL from San Francisco in November. Arrival at 4 am and departure at 9 pm, thus missing the worst of the crowds at T3. Perhaps PAL has the luxury of planning around NAIA traffic, especially for flights that cross the International Date Line.[/QUOTE]We associated money and cost to our subjective earning power. 200 peso ($4. 00) is nothing compared to my hourly or daily earnings. 200 pesos is well above the average Filipino hourly wage. Hence waiting an hour is well worth it to them.

Local or provincial elections are usually won by the highest paying vote buyer. I know a girl who travelled to the province to vote and was paid 5 k for her vote. A lot of voters got 5 k. When I meantioned this to another girl from another province. She said she only got 2 k for her vote! Corruption must pay well to buy votes and to continue the family business.

Your hotels are not that far away. Kilometer wise. Time wise is another story depending on the time of day or night.

Only had one but it was nice to have it on tap in between room service and working. Reminds me of my college days.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2333966]Monsoon season is terrible. So bad that girls fuck old ugly foreigners hoping for a ticket out of there.

My best memories are holed up in a hotel room with 3 sweeties for a few days riding out the storm.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2333976]

Local or provincial elections are usually won by the highest paying vote buyer. I know a girl who travelled to the province to vote and was paid 5 k for her vote. A lot of voters got 5 k. When I meantioned this to another girl from another province. She said she only got 2 k for her vote! Corruption must pay well to buy votes and to continue the family business.[/QUOTE]Not to get too far off topic but in a lot of jurisdictions this is the cause of a lot of post election violence. Big promises and commitments are made to garner votes on the assumption that a win will provide funding sources to fulfill these. It comes as a big surprise when the candidate places 4th and then has the masses banging on his door looking for what was promised in exchange for their vote.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2333966]Monsoon season is terrible. So bad that girls fuck old ugly foreigners hoping for a ticket out of there.

My best memories are holed up in a hotel room with 3 sweeties for a few days riding out the storm.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Transporter;2333973]Kind of depends on how much rain. Rainy season is typhoon season, so a typhoon will affect the girls yes. And heavy rains will effect the girls also, but more so in Manila. In AC I wouldn't worry about the rain too much (unless you melt with water) there are so many girls, and there for sure will be enough to go around, yes the numbers may be a little less, buy you may not even notice. In Manila, heavy rains will effect the girls, as they don't have a good water drainage system there, and the streets / roads will get flooded hindering transportation. There is good and bad with that, depending where the girls are stranded it could also work to your favor, as the last heavy rain stranded many girls at work. KTV girls who don't normally go out with customers were eager to do overnights with clients (found them on wechat). Just as long as you stay at a hotel that has a backup generator and provisions enough so you can get things to eat. Don't stay on the ground floor, and if a heavy rain is due in, stock up on some supplies (water and food). I didn't have a problem before but it was only flooding for a week, I guess if it was longer, it would have been a problem.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dg and Transporter for your views and much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2333973]Kind of depends on how much rain. Rainy season is typhoon season, so a typhoon will affect the girls yes. And heavy rains will effect the girls also, but more so in Manila. In AC I wouldn't worry about the rain too much (unless you melt with water) there are so many girls, and there for sure will be enough to go around, yes the numbers may be a little less, buy you may not even notice. In Manila, heavy rains will effect the girls, as they don't have a good water drainage system there, and the streets / roads will get flooded hindering transportation. [/QUOTE]Actually, monsoons bring much more rain that do typhoons. Typhoons bring strong winds from East to West off the Pacific and do lots of damage, but because they move quickly they don't typically suck up too much water. Monsoons move more slowly, usually moving from Southwest to Northeast, and thus suck a lot of rain off the South China Sea. Sometimes they hold almost stationary (called a hanging monsoon or hanging habagat) and just continuously circulate rain onto the big island, Luzon.

Flooding does occur in the Manila streets, and it doesn't run off because of a) poor drainage systems and because b) much of Manila is relatively low-lying relative to Manila Bay and the rivers and esteros that drain the area. Taxis are often the first victims, since water in the streets is too deep for them. If you and lady friend are comfortable traveling in jeepneys, they keep going when taxis can't, because their suspension holds the passenger areas and engines well above water in the streets. Also, the light rail systems are not usually affected by rain.

Other tips. Bring a small umbrella, but strong enough to withstand wind. Carry pocket change and a few small bills. Entrepreneurial locals will put down wooden planks that straddle the deep water alongside the curb, and they collect from pedestrians for using the plank. Also, sometimes the best way to get across a flooded street is a pedicab; that is, a bicycle with sidecar and operators with strong calf muscles.

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Hi!

I'll be in Manila for a week in early August. Would love to know if pregnant girls (7 months up) are readily available. Or lactating girls. Any ideas as to where to look?

Thanks!

Hi M T,

What is the damage?

Appreciate the contact details.

Vic.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2327207]If you are in need of a sure thing then always happy to share. Pm me.[/QUOTE]

I am playing catch up with everything as I haven't been there in a long time and I just read that Amazonia closed a while back. I had so much fun there and am really sad that it is gone.

OK so, besides LA Cafe, where else now in that area is there to go for just hanging out and drinking beer and playing pool and having girls all over you haha?

[QUOTE=NWGuy;2340572]I am playing catch up with everything as I haven't been there in a long time and I just read that Amazonia closed a while back. I had so much fun there and am really sad that it is gone.

OK so, besides LA Cafe, where else now in that area is there to go for just hanging out and drinking beer and playing pool and having girls all over you haha?[/QUOTE]So much one can say NWGuy but it would a long response on the board so best PM me so we can narrow down what exactly you need and where in Manila s the city is so big and sprawling so lets PM and sort this.

Look forward to the PM.

[QUOTE=NWGuy;2340572]I am playing catch up with everything as I haven't been there in a long time and I just read that Amazonia closed a while back. I had so much fun there and am really sad that it is gone.

OK so, besides LA Cafe, where else now in that area is there to go for just hanging out and drinking beer and playing pool and having girls all over you haha?[/QUOTE]Ya, I miss Amazonia, too. Liked it better than LAC. There are some small clubs up the block from LAC but I can't remember the names. I spend more time in AC now.

Attempt to write an unbiased report on my recent trip to MNL.

I had invested heavy time in Pinalove, Viber and Skype. I wanted a GFE feeling (I am aware it is just for the duration of my visit, no false hopes).

Met Thérèse at *** 3 as planned, was pleasantly surprised that she stayed to wait as my plane was 1 hour late, Paris-Singapore-MNL. Late 20's and darker toned skin, but a pleasant personality.

Picked up a Sim card, got Globe (thanks to advice from Pros).

She was very shy and was glad to see me finally. It was nice to experience a romantic surreal moment. Like in the films.

À hellish experience finding a good taxi. Had to change a few times when they started to change prices once we got up. Will use Uber or Grab next time.

Got to our hotel. Nice and neat, not too costly. As I had to fly off the next day. To the provinces for work.

We decided to put our stuff in, then went straight out to SM for Chowking with her. She was happy to have the meal together, we talked about her family, her work, her relationships. A great moment.

Wonderful to be able to talk to girls in Ph, compared with other countries. Without signing up for Thai courses that is.

When we got back to the hotel, it was quite funny.

She insisted that we take shower separately, and I was not allowed to see her naked.

She asked to switch off the lights before coming out of the shower. I had already made sure she was not a LB, so no sweat.

We spent 10 minutes kissing and foreplay, before continuing with the serious stuff. DFK, DATY went well.

My thermometer test was the BBBJ and she passed with flying colors! We then proceeded to 69, before she started to ask for more.

We spent the 20 mins just enjoying each other's touch, with soft music playing, while she moaned and called.

I penetrated finally and I could tell that she was not a pro at all.

Most pros will overdo it just to get us to come quickly, she just enjoyed with me.

We laid panting after 45 mins of heavenly sensations, and had a water break. After 10 minutes, we continued again, for another 40 minutes into the 2nd round.

She unfortunately did not allow Greek, so I had to settle with 2 holes instead of 3. I did not insist as she experienced pain when I tried. Perhaps for another time.

On the whole, it was a romantic, unrushed girl friend experience and totally worth the chatting time invested.

The next morning, she accompanied me to the airport again as I flew south.

I handed her 2000 P, as well as her bus fare to get back to Cavite. Will look for her to rekindle the feeling again. Soon I hope.

She was probably a 5/10 for looks, not curvy like most PH girls, but she was a "nice" encounter.

Hope the report helps encourage those wondering about usefulness to chat to persevere.

Victor.

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[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2341309]......

hellish experience finding a good taxi. Had to change a few times when they started to change prices once we got up. Will use Uber or Grab next time.

.....[/QUOTE]Uber sold out to Grab in the Philippines. Only ride sharing app I know of active is Grab.

I was using Uber before the buy out, only because I had the app already on my phone, but found that the Grab app is better.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2341309]Attempt to write an unbiased report on my recent trip to MNL. SNIP

She was very shy and was glad to see me finally. It was nice to experience a romantic surreal moment. Like in the films. SNIP

I handed her 2000 P, as well as her bus fare to get back to Cavite. Will look for her to rekindle the feeling again. Soon I hope.

She was probably a 5/10 for looks, not curvy like most Ph girls, but she was a "nice" encounter. Victor.[/QUOTE]Too many pics in the phils threads, not enough good FR's. Nice work Victor. Watch the hard returns, too many paragraphs, makes it hard to read.

Thanks for the clarification.

Vic.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2341644]Uber sold out to Grab in the Philippines. Only ride sharing app I know of active is Grab.

I was using Uber before the buy out, only because I had the app already on my phone, but found that the Grab app is better.[/QUOTE]

Hai bro,

I am planning to visit manila next week I came across manilaescorts who are having Russian ladies according to their website, but I couldn't get any reviews about this agency. If anyone has tried this agency may share Their views. Thanks in advance. Dboy.

[QUOTE=Victorsam;2344833]Hai bro,

I am planning to visit manila next week I came across manilaescorts who are having Russian ladies according to their website, but I couldn't get any reviews about this agency. If anyone has tried this agency may share Their views. Thanks in advance. Dboy.[/QUOTE]So you are visiting Manila to meet Russian WGs.

Best PM me as I can't give you contacts openly on the board.

Look forward to the PM.

[QUOTE=Victorsam;2344833]Hai bro,

I am planning to visit manila next week I came across manilaescorts who are having Russian ladies according to their website, but I couldn't get any reviews about this agency. If anyone has tried this agency may share Their views. Thanks in advance. Dboy.[/QUOTE]Why don't you take one for the team? Book the hot Ruskie, get her to come to your room, bang her and report back on the experience?

[QUOTE=Victorsam;2344833]Hai bro,

I am planning to visit manila next week I came across manilaescorts who are having Russian ladies according to their website, but I couldn't get any reviews about this agency. If anyone has tried this agency may share Their views. Thanks in advance. Dboy.[/QUOTE]Any reason you'd want to book a 3rd rate Russian in Manila (let's get real top Russian girls go to London or Paris not Manila!) instead of eating local?

Why go to Manila just to fuck a Russian? I want the local talent and I do not want the girls who are using skin bleaching soaps or creams.

I can just imagine the quality of these quote "Russian Girls" un quote in Manila. Not very good!

If the OP wants a real Russian girl of doable quality or better I suggest he go to #1 Moscow, #2 Las Veags, #3 Macau (Yes they have smokin' hot, real Russian and Ukrainian girls in Macau, but for around $400/ session), #4 Singapore (Brix bar occasionally has a few of good quality), and #5 NYC. However, if the OP is not fussy about quality, I think he can do better in Jakarta than MNL. In Jakarta he should check out 1001 Hotel and Malioboro. Both of these bordellos always have 6 to 10 former Russian Federation (Uzbek) white girls on hand and although these girls are undoable IMHO, I would bet good money that they are more attractive than their older sisters working in Manila.

[QUOTE=Engine Driver;2345454]Why don't you take one for the team? Book the hot Ruskie, get her to come to your room, bang her and report back on the experience?[/QUOTE] Good One EG. I concur. The OP should take one for the team and report back. She might be a gem. Who knows? LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2345541] If the OP wants a real Russian girl of doable quality or better I suggest he go to #1 Moscow, #2 Las Veags, #3 Macau (Yes they have smokin' hot, real Russian and Ukrainian girls in Macau, but for around $400/ session), #4 Singapore (Brix bar occasionally has a few of good quality), and #5 NYC. .[/QUOTE]Add Dubai and Bahrain to this list. Definitely much better than what you will find in Singapore or NYC. Maybe even the other 2 places other than Moscow.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2345652]Add Dubai and Bahrain to this list. ....[/QUOTE]A few years ago in Dubai the Russians were asking a lot more than the $400 previously quoted. More like $1,000 and up and often not all night for that amount.

All night was $2,000 and up.

Lots of rich Arabs from other GCC there looking for big busted women.

Having done regular Eastern European / Russian girls in NYC and Moscow and WG in Macau / HK and Moscow, I would vote for regular in NYC and WG in Macau / HK. Safer. Attitude is a problem sometimes with WG.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2345541]If the OP wants a real Russian girl of doable quality or better I suggest he go to #1 Moscow, #2 Las Veags, #3 Macau (Yes they have smokin' hot, real Russian and Ukrainian girls in Macau, but for around $400/ session), #4 Singapore (Brix bar occasionally has a few of good quality), and #5 NYC. However, if the OP is not fussy about quality, I think he can do better in Jakarta than MNL. In Jakarta he should check out 1001 Hotel and Malioboro. Both of these bordellos always have 6 to 10 former Russian Federation (Uzbek) white girls on hand and although these girls are undoable IMHO, I would bet good money that they are more attractive than their older sisters working in Manila..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2345731]A few years ago in Dubai the Russians were asking a lot more than the $400 previously quoted. More like $1,000 and up and often not all night for that amount.

All night was $2,000 and up.

Lots of rich Arabs from other GCC there looking for big busted women.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Those guys are frigging crazy.

And if you think the Russians in Dubai are hot, you should head over to Bahrain and take a look. You will be blown out of your mind. And prices are just as crazy, sometimes even worse. The wealthy Saudis, Kuwaitis and Qataris head over to Manama for their share of fun. And those big boys make the UAE sheiks look like beggars.

Anyways, white girls don't appeal to me from a sexual perspective anymore.

Ok so know that peak hour in Manila is 6 to 9 am and 5 to 9 pm. Saturday morning lots of people go shopping and Sunday coming back into Manila is not good apparently as many are returning home.

So have a flexible schedule so. Travelling to Angeles is best after 9 pm? Any day is fine?

Travel back to Manila. Same but if check out is 12 just head back then? But not on Sun?

Travel to Puerto Galera. Any day is fine?

But return from PG heard boats can get full esp Sun & hols.

Advice is always stay in Manila night before flight, right?

Also going 3/12 - 23/12 not sure how long I want to stay at any of the 3 places Manila, PG or Angeles. Want to be flexible. Do I need to book to ensure I get hotel of choice. Its prob high season so do hotels fill up quick?

Appreciate.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346241]So have a flexible schedule so. Travelling to Angeles is best after 9 pm? Any day is fine?[/QUOTE]Dude you are overthinking it. Just go. I have never sat around and said well I can not go to so and so until the clock strikes 9. Only be mindful if you are leaving somewhere and heading directly to the airport in Manila to leave yourself enough time because of heavy traffic.

There are tons of hotels. Just look on a site like hotelsdotcom for availability when you are on your way to whatever city.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346241]
So have a flexible schedule so. Travelling to Angeles is best after 9 pm? Any day is fine?
[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go to AC at 9 pm. That sounds terrible to me. Your killing a day hanging around MNL for no good reason and screwing up your night in AC. The best time to go to AC is anytime after morning rush hour and before evening rush hour. 10:30 pm to 3 pm is your window unless you are arriving at the airport internationally and have no choice. Not only will you suffer the least amount of traffic, but you will arrive in AC with plenty of time to settle in and hit the bars. Returning to MNL on Sunday is problematic unless you beat the traffic by leaving AC early in the morning.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346271]I wouldn't go to AC at 9 pm. That sounds terrible to me. Your killing a day hanging around MNL for no good reason and screwing up your night in AC. The best time to go to AC is anytime after morning rush hour and before evening rush hour. 10:30 pm to 3 pm is your window unless you are arriving at the airport internationally and have no choice. Not only will you suffer the least amount of traffic, but you will arrive in AC with plenty of time to settle in and hit the bars. Returning to MNL on Sunday is problematic unless you beat the traffic by leaving AC early in the morning.[/QUOTE]Unfort I arrive at 5 pm on a Tues which gives me the option of a night in Manila or wait till after 9 and get a bus or taxi to Angeles.

I also want to go to Sabang so coming back thru Manila will mean a stop overnight there.

One of the issues is I fly out Mon night late but advice says I should come back a day before which means coming from Sabang on a Sunday which is not advisable.

I have been told the best time to come back to Manila is Sunday night late so maybe I reverse my trip and go Sabang firts and Angeles second? Thoughts.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346241]
Travel to Puerto Galera. Any day is fine?

But return from PG heard boats can get full esp Sun & hols.
[/QUOTE]Note that the Mayor has now stopped all small bancas from travelling from Batangas to PG. Customers have to use the larger ferries now.

Your options are dictated by the schedules now.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2346573]Note that the Mayor has now stopped all small bancas from travelling from Batangas to PG. Customers have to use the larger ferries now.
Your options are dictated by the schedules now.[/QUOTE]Yes maybe he's getting a cut off the trike mafia. Prefer the Sabang express.

NI.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2346573]Note that the Mayor has now stopped all small bancas from travelling from Batangas to PG. Customers have to use the larger ferries now.

Your options are dictated by the schedules now.[/QUOTE]This has been the case for over a year now. I was there last year and the large ferries were the only option. The little pier at PG doesn't exist as that's where they are building the much needed shit farm. The disused bancas were all lined up on the shore, obviously with no where to go.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346570]Unfort I arrive at 5 pm on a Tues which gives me the option of a night in Manila or wait till after 9 and get a bus or taxi to Angeles.

I also want to go to Sabang so coming back thru Manila will mean a stop overnight there.

One of the issues is I fly out Mon night late but advice says I should come back a day before which means coming from Sabang on a Sunday which is not advisable.

I have been told the best time to come back to Manila is Sunday night late so maybe I reverse my trip and go Sabang firts and Angeles second? Thoughts.

NI.[/QUOTE]You have been planning this trip for a very long time (nearly a year now). I think we are all looking forward to reading the reports LOL.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2346608]You have been planning this trip for a very long time (nearly a year now). I think we are all looking forward to reading the reports LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but I know several residents / frequent repeat visitors that have stopped going to Sabang purely because of the fuck around factor not being worth it to them.

Note I said to them. I wish NI a good break and I'm sure there are people who still enjoy going there. As usual YMMV applies to everyone and everywhere.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2346625]I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but I know several residents / frequent repeat visitors that have stopped going to Sabang purely because of the fuck around factor not being worth it to them.
Note I said to them. I wish NI a good break and I'm sure there are people who still enjoy going there. As usual YMMV applies to everyone and everywhere.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for everyone's patients. Yeah I have been planning a long way ahead.
Have got airfares booked already return to Manila from 3rd to 23 rd Dec.
God dam it just want some Filipina pussy and a beach but don't want to BYO. Why isn't there a Phuket or pattaya (not that thats a beach in my eyes ) place in Phils.
I go stir crazy just sitting in hotel rooms or lazing by the pool in places like Angeles where I could last maybe 9 days at the most.
Don't beat me up but have been thinking about changing to go to Cebu & then around Mactan & close Islands - better option than a Sabang/ Angeles double?

I do give back - if you want a read my JBR from KL are on the Mal KL forum.
NI

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346673]God dam it just want some Filipina pussy and a beach but don't want to BYO. Why isn't there a Phuket or pattaya (not that thats a beach in my eyes ) place in Phils.
[/QUOTE]There is always Subic (Barrio Barretto). The beach (Baloy Beach) is like Pattaya. Fucked up. But the town has plenty of bars with friendly girls, floating bars, and a sea breeze, plus its very close to AC, so if you get tired of AC or just want a fast, no hassle change of scenery I suggest you go there.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346570]Unfort I arrive at 5 pm on a Tues which gives me the option of a night in Manila or wait till after 9 and get a bus or taxi to Angeles.[/QUOTE]You will most likely receive different opinions on this, but for me it would be a no brainer: I would stay in Manila if I was arriving a 5pm and have a really good time on Burgos St. or at the EDSA Entertainment Complex and then the following day take a leisurely ride up to AC. But that's because I really like Manila bar girls and I think they are the hottest bar girls in the PI. Sure, they cost more; splurge a little. It's only money and it's your 1st night in country! Besides you can always do a little Dollar-Cost Averaging later with your Perimeter Road or Barrio Barretto bar girls. You will thank me for this suggestion later.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346686]There is always Subic (Barrio Barretto). The beach (Baloy Beach) is like Pattaya. Fucked up. But the town has plenty of bars with friendly girls, floating bars, and a sea breeze, plus its very close to AC, so if you get tired of AC or just want a fast, no hassle change of scenery I suggest you go there.

You will most likely receive different opinions on this, but for me it would be a no brainer: I would stay in Manila if I was arriving a 5pm and have a really good time on Burgos St. or at the EDSA Entertainment Complex and then the following day take a leisurely ride up to AC. But that's because I really like Manila bar girls and I think they are the hottest bar girls in the PI. Sure, they cost more; splurge a little. It's only money and it's your 1st night in country! Besides you can always do a little Dollar-Cost Averaging later with your Perimeter Road or Barrio Barretto bar girls. You will thank me for this suggestion later.[/QUOTE]As always your suggestions are helpful. Have been to Subic but I would prefer a beach where I could swim or snorkel. Like Pattaya prob would only stick my toe into the water at Subic.

I am leaning to your suggestions re first night in Manila too.

Thanks.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346860]Have been to Subic but I would prefer a beach where I could swim or snorkel. Like Pattaya prob would only stick my toe into the water at Subic.[/QUOTE]Puerto Galera really is not that beach IMHO. I would not say it is as bad as Subic or Pattaya, but it is no Boracay either. It is definitely a great place for scuba diving though.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2346673]
Don't beat me up but have been thinking about changing to go to Cebu & then around Mactan & close Islands - better option than a Sabang/ Angeles double?

NI[/QUOTE]This is VERY do able. Cebu City has everything from sleazy bars on Mango Ave to high end discos and clubs where you can try your Game / luck. It also has what I consider the best online action in all of PI.

Some OKish beaches around town and some very nice places within a couple hours day trip or overnighter. BYO is easiest but again, many are there online. You just need to have a look. Alona, Malapascua, Moalboal are all very nice and girls would jump at the chance of going there for a day or two.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2346606]This has been the case for over a year now. I was there last year and the large ferries were the only option. The little pier at PG doesn't exist as that's where they are building the much needed shit farm. The disused bancas were all lined up on the shore, obviously with no where to go.[/QUOTE]Not true ED. Please don't give incorrect information.

The embargo started on July 1.

I was there a few weeks ago in mid-June. Picked up by a pre-ordered banca on a beach in Batangas and straight across to El Galleon pontoon.

Many bancas were still plying the route. It's stopped now though although some resort owners are getting together to buy their own larger fast ferries. Expect them on the water in a few months.

At least someone has long term and short term memory intact. NI Guy has been all over the boards. But some of the information given has changed. I still like to fly if have the pesos.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2346608]You have been planning this trip for a very long time (nearly a year now). I think we are all looking forward to reading the reports LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2346952]Not true ED. Please don't give incorrect information.

The embargo started on July 1.

I was there a few weeks ago in mid-June. Picked up by a pre-ordered banca on a beach in Batangas and straight across to El Galleon pontoon.

Many bancas were still plying the route. It's stopped now though although some resort owners are getting together to buy their own larger fast ferries. Expect them on the water in a few months.[/QUOTE]Hold your horses RK. We might be talking about different things here. I was talking about the large commercial operations which normal tourists go to. Last November 2018, I got to Batangas and was told that the fast ferry was the only option available. The lady at the counter said that Sabang Pier was permanently closed and that the bancas don't operate anymore. Muelle Pier was now the point of disembarkation. Here below is a picture of the ferry MV Golden Raptor at Batangas which I was about to board. There is also a picture of Muelle Pier. I have also attached a picture of Sabang Beach which shows the shit farm under construction (green canopy). This was where Sabang Pier was previously. When I pulled into Muelle Port, there were 3-4 abandoned Father and Son Lines bancas lined up on the shore. These boats used to take tourists.

Here is also a newspaper article link from August 2018 showing the shit farm under construction, so Sabang Pier was closed before that date.

[URL]http://www.puertodegalera.com/dpwh-grants-p150m-for-treatment-plants-of-pg/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2346952]Not true ED. Please don't give incorrect information.

The embargo started on July 1.

I was there a few weeks ago in mid-June. Picked up by a pre-ordered banca on a beach in Batangas and straight across to El Galleon pontoon.

Many bancas were still plying the route. It's stopped now though although some resort owners are getting together to buy their own larger fast ferries. Expect them on the water in a few months.[/QUOTE]RK, I'm interested why you used a charter banca vs flying. Last time I was there (admittedly a few years ago now) the Juan Air flight was faster and cheaper than one person hiring a car / charter banca.

If the direct to your door charter bancas have been stopped too, the plane would seem to the the most stress free way to go.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2347035]RK, I'm interested why you used a charter banca vs flying. Last time I was there (admittedly a few years ago now) the Juan Air flight was faster and cheaper than one person hiring a car / charter banca.
If the direct to your door charter bancas have been stopped too, the plane would seem to the the most stress free way to go.
Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]The seaplane often cancels flights and is really unreliable re scheduling. Also when I looked at the cost it was way too much compared to getting a fastcraft over.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2346926]This is VERY do able. Cebu City has everything from sleazy bars on Mango Ave to high end discos and clubs where you can try your Game / luck. It also has what I consider the best online action in all of PI.
Some OKish beaches around town and some very nice places within a couple hours day trip or overnighter. BYO is easiest but again, many are there online. You just need to have a look. Alona, Malapascua, Moalboal are all very nice and girls would jump at the chance of going there for a day or two.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Yes have been looking at this option and it is getting more appealing. Apparently Nalusuan Island has great snorkeling too and an abundance of fish.

NI.

Manila. It is what it is. Trip report.

Day 1.

Landed in Manila took a metered taxi and got to Dragonlink Suites.

Dragonlink Suites was OK for the most part affordable but Chinese owned. Chinese owned hotels always a pain in the ass when it comes to policy. They beat the Filipinos to death is asinine rules and procedures that only serve to inconvenience the guest. (fines for pushing more than 3 buttons on the elevator and jumping on the elevator for example) But for 22-35 a night can't really complain to much was clean and room wise was nice enough. Their ID policy is a little hit and miss. I fuck almost anything that moves when I first get off the plane so I grabbed a free lancer on P burgos st. She wanted 3 k but I talked her down to 1 k + tip and she asked me why I was so cheap to which I replied "that is what you are worth" to which she agreed. I would say a solid 6/10 not a looker but better than jerking off to take the edge off. Trick to getting these girls cheap is asking if they had any customers if they haven't they will take almost any amount of money. I had a MILF offer me a blow job right before I met the girl I went with for 700 hard pass. So time to call the girls I had lined up and I called over a couple of college girls problem with these chicks is they are dirt poor they don't have money for anything so I ordered a grab to pick them up and bring them to the hotel. I'm going to preface this by saying this was a fail. These girls were both 19 and from the barangay and extremely naive and visibly shaking when they went up to the room. I asked her if she was up for it and she replied no. I asked her if she understood why I called her and she said yes. Long story short I said fuck it and escorted them out, good news is I was only out the money for the grab. It was late by this time. So I went out and grabbed some food at the Filling Station and did some bar hopping. The bars on P burgos street have unreasonably high bar fines plus tip. So I just called it a night.

Day 2.

Early the next morning I called a college girl (20) from cavite which is a little south of manila. This girl had been a lesbian for all of her college years so she hasn't had a dick for many years so she says. I told her I would reimburse her travel expenses which added up to around 750 pesos 2 jeepneys and a grab from the terminal. This girl didn't look like the typical bar girl. The staff kind of gave me hard time at the reception because of the way she looked. They made me photo copy her college ID kind of bullshit but it is what it is. I took her up to the room and we had talked about what we would do to each other when we finally saw each other so it was exciting and I was into the idea that she hadn't had dick for a very long time. She kept saying that she had to go to the bathroom to do something. I wasn't sure what, she said she was "shy" I thought maybe menstruation or some bullshit I was ready for disappointment again. Nope. Full on jungle Bush I'm going to say a little bit off putting I love eating pussy but there was so much hair this was not the day for that but she was dripping wet like a basset Hound in heat. The sex was actually great her body shivered with anticipation and she had some convulsions while doing the deed unlike bar girl dead pussy she squeezed her pussy as hard as she could and came multiple times through the magic of tadalafil I was able to keep up for a few hours. The look in these non bar girls eyes is way different after you have fucked a few 100 bar girls you'll know what I mean. Bar girls have this look in their eyes like they aren't all there as if they are looking past you at at this stage in the game for me disdain and indifference in any form is a turn off for me. I gave her 2 k for travel expenses and another 2 k for her coming out all that way. I also let her tag along with me at a Korean bbq place. Over all I had a good time exactly what I wanted to happen happened.

The next day I was off to AC. To be continued in the AC forum.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2347983]Manila. It is what it is. Trip report.

The next day I was off to AC. To be continued in the AC forum.[/QUOTE]Hi MM,

Great post! I'm in AC for a couple of days and hope to learn some tips and techniques from you if that's OK.

I decided to not report on AC because AC is kinda overdone and we know what happens in AC that being said I spent a few days there this gap in the days I had to take care of some personal business and I did have a flight booked to Cagayan de Oro booked but ended up changing these plans for a personal matter.

Day 19.

I moved to Sunny Bay Suites for the duration. These rooms have been renovated and this part of manila suffers from roach infestations. I've found that anywhere near the bay has roaches it is what it is. The room has an older style aircon but its a monster and is either too cold or not cold enough manual dial no way to set a temp. The bathroom is kind of cramped but this hotel is all about the location. You can see LA cafe if you look real hard out the window. This first night I decided to grab some "Shawarma Snack Center" before heading over to LA cafe. While at LA cafe a huge fight between the working girls was in progress. So the mood was kind of tense. I did see a fairly good looking girl eyeing me away from the chaos so I made contact and asked if she was game. We talked a bit and I learned she was an umbrella girl at a golf course and she did this one a week to pay some bills. She asked for 3 k and she was hot enough to where I just agreed. This girl was accommodating and nice but kind of all about business nothing like the GFE experience I am accustomed to. But apparently there is some fee the girls have to pay to LA cafe I don't recall how much I think its the cost of 1 lady drink I think 600 pesos? Or 700? Something in that range. LA Cafe is quite crowded and kind of hard to see the girls you kind of have to take a lap around the bar and have a look at who makes eye contact with you.

Day 20.

I decided to visit the EDSA complex and I took a grab I took a look around and there were some good looking girls in there but I wasn't real interested I think the mama said it was 3 k plus what the girl wants so I assume you wouldn't walk away from there for less than 5-6 k total. As I was waiting for the Grab home I did see some pretty attractive girls get bar fines I don't know where they were when I was in there but there are a few very good looking girls mixed in at EDSA. I decided to go back to P. Burgos st. And this time I decided I would barfine an overpriced bar girl for the hell of it. I have like some memory gaps for a reason I will explain in a second. I don't remember the exact bar but it has this weird blocked of section in the back where its blocked from view behind tinted glass. A heavy set girl decided she would preset her breasts which I reluctantly held. Smeegle from the lord of the rings showed up along with 3 other girls. They were trying to sell me on a round of 6 lady drinks and they said they would give me a blow job and whatever else in this back area. Honestly it might have been a good deal but I didn't have it in me to tell them that I didn't want smeegle any where near me. So I decided to buy one drink for the one girl I was into but they all kind of stayed and kept asking for a tip for all 6, don't be that guy just stick to your guns and pay for who you like and nothing more. I asked them if other guys pay for these rounds and they said yes. So apparently they have no shortage of suckers that come into that bar. So its about 8 pm and I decided I would bar fine this one girl she was maybe around 28 not young but nice rack and turned me on so the bar fine was 3 k short time plus a tip. This is a bit foggy so at least I think this was 3 k I paid too much and ill explain why in a second. So we walked down right across from the mexican cantina is a short time hotel which I don't remember the price of maybe 500? This whole day I only remember bits and pieces of. So we went up to the room and started talking did the pre shower I took a blue pill but I decided to chew it instead of swallow it. Everything went as planned and I had a great time. Right after I finished I went to stand up and go to the bathroom where the girl was already rinsing off and everything went black and it felt like I was in a tunnel moments later I was on my knees with a huge bruise on it and the girl screaming. Evidently a rare side effect that I have never experienced before is fainting with Viagra. This girl actually cupped my head in the bathroom and saved me from any real head trauma. So I laid down for about 15 minutes and It seemed to be fine except for the bruise on my leg. So I gave her 3 k for saving my head and took a grab back to the hotel. I was still not feeling 100% so I ordered some food with GrabFood and stayed in for the rest of the night.

Day 22.

This day I decided to take a walk down M. Adriatico St. Just to take a look. And maybe a few blocks before I got to Remedios Circle. I saw 4 girls walking around looked like a mama san and 3 girls. So I decided to be a creeper and follow them back to their lair. So they made it to Remedios Circle and this is where I approached them one of them was really hot and I asked them if they were looking for a date. The 2 less attractive girls said no but the one I wanted said yes. The mamasan said it was 2. 5 k short time too which I agreed. So we got to talking about 2 minutes later we were in a taxi to sogo. So I asked her why they were out walking around and she said they were looking for someone. Apparently some korean guy called them and they were unable to find him. So I became "Mr. Steal yo girl". Sometimes when opportunity presents itself you got to jump on it no harm in asking a question. It worked out this time I had a great time no fainting this time but sogo wanted an unusually large amount for the room 1200 pesos it was actually quite large had a jacuzzi tub in it and had a drive in garage. I gave her a 500 pesos tip on top of the 2. 5 k and took a grab to The Aristocrat Restaurant where I walked back to the hotel after grabbing some takeout to enjoy the bay air.

Day 23-28.

I called a girl from Quezon City I met on DIA over to my place and we hit it off we agreed on 2 k a day for a few days. This girl apparently had a German boyfriend for 2 years but she had gotten pregnant with some filipino classmates baby so the German guy left her. She was 22 and she said she had been alone for 2 years I don't know if I buy that part but the sex was great very GFE this girl apparently used to spend a lot of time in boracay and was a hip hop dancer. I enjoyed the sex for about a week maybe a little less I did have to pay for her transportation to and from Quezon city because she traveled back a few times to give the money to her mom but I had previously agreed to pay for any travel expenses since she didn't live near by. So she decided to accompany me to the airport the last day and I had a nice send off.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2348275]Sometimes when opportunity presents itself you got to jump on it no harm in asking a question.[/QUOTE]Great fucking reports. I like your style of mongering. I like how you practice price discrimination. You realize that there is no need to give every chick 3K ST, so you pay according to the situation. Like you gave the one chick 2K per day, which is plenty enough.

Smart how you did not fall for the Burgos chick's guilt trip of asking why you were so cheap. You told her that she was not worth 3K, only 1K plus tip. That is a play out of my book. Even if she was worth it, I would make her think she was not. That is what game is.

In LA Cafe the girls are supposed to pay the bar (no idea how much) if they have not bought a drink. I guess this is when you walk out together. So what I always do is tell the girl I will meet her outside for the bar fee to be avoided. And stay away from those dick pills before you kill yourself!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348297] I like how you practice price discrimination. ...
... And stay away from those dick pills before you kill yourself![/QUOTE]I would like to say I've always been good with prices but that would be a lie it took me many years to learn restraint *eh* These guys have to ask themselves if they would feel smart or cool paying $10-100 per item at the 0. 99 cent store, paying more for the same product is stupid any way you look at it. The girl I gave 2 k per day to ended up getting a little over 10 k but that is spread out over 5 days. Sometimes these girls are horrible at math so if you ask them how much money they want you can negotiate a time frame and budget that is fair for both parties, such as weekly or monthly rates usual 30-50% off, when they hear the lump sum things change. Asking if they really want to have sex with 7-30 guys unless they are a real piece of work they will usually choose to stay with the one guy.

Cheap is not a bad word to me any more gone are my days of being young and stupid and that is the reason why I need the dick pills I find that for whatever reason if I am comfortable with the girl it works normally. But if there is any rushing or extreme excitement involved it sometimes does not work as directed so a little help helps when I don't want to waste that bar fine. And I certainly can not do pop 2 or 3 without dick pills now days. That is the first time that has happened I took it on an empty stomach and I chewed it because I didn't have any water and I didn't want to drink the sink water in the short time room, I also made the mistake of standing up too soon after. I felt light headed while I was still down I should have rested for 5-10 minutes after which I do now.

MontanaMonger,

Reading your reports really makes me appreciate the level of detail you put in and quality you give us. Now, when trying to negotiate a lump sum for a DIA girl, would you be doing this after your first time? It sounds like a bad idea to try to book a girl for a week before you even meet her. If you're trying to talk after meeting and extend your time together, I guess some potential pitfalls would be her being busy during the times you are available?

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2348418]Would you be doing this after your first time? It sounds like a bad idea to try to book a girl for a week before you even meet her.[/QUOTE]You have to ask yourself what they want from you. In most cases its going to be money. So what I do is ask how much money they want. Ask what they are after and let them create some image / dream of their optimal situation.

You want to be totally fair and up front for both parties and negotiate the larger sum only when you know you have some chemistry. This way you can talk to several girls and choose from which ever one you click with. One way you can do this is set up dates one on each day or 2 a day if you are up for it and tell them you are busy until you find the one you want and then start the negotiations with that one. So you want her to ask you this question. And this is how you answer it.

Girl: How much you give me?

Monger: How much do you want what is a crazy number? Tell me how much you really want?

Normally girls will say 7000 or 10,000 quite low for that kind of question but astronomically high for them.

What you want to do is get some dream number in her head philipinas are not really "pie in the sky" dreamers so more often than not they will throw a reasonable number at you. There are 2 ways you can make this work. If she wants 10 k you could possible get her to stay with you for 30 days for 10 k which is 333 pesos a night plus food. Or per week that 10 k would be around 1. 5 k a day plus food. I have on occasion thrown in a 1 k budget for shopping when ever we go to a mall which is probably 15-10 items during the months in addition to that 10 k so it comes out to 15-20 k a month or 500-600 pesos a day monthly. This is actually much cheaper than normal mongering. Why this works well is the girl is actively getting money and funds and she is waiting for the lump sum at the end of the trip. So you have constant positive reinforcement followed by a pay day for her. What this means for you is. IF you were to agree to 2-3 k a day for a month that's 60-90 k. Which starts to get pretty pricey. Because you are still dishing out meals and transportation and incidentals like a tooth brush and lotion and stuff she throws into your basket at the supermarket. Whatever number you arrive at 20 k 30 k do not exceed your normal daily allotment, Take into account that she might menstruate and you may or may not have sex everyday so I would say lower your normal budget by 30-50% when you are considering a total. You should count food and transport into this total however you need not let her in on this hidden total. You just need this over all total to not exceed your normal budget. If they calculate that you are not giving them the 90 k they would other wise get if they had a LT session for 30 days you can remind them of the food and transportation and other expenses involved in that and ask if she wants to split those expenses or you will find someone else to drop a brick of money onto. They fall in like pretty quickly. (One caveat is this does not work for bar girls or women who have pimps because she is not the only one who is getting enriched and the reason why i don't long term barfine and find freelancers instead for longer term dating situations. )

Never give this lump sum up front no matter what sob story they dream up that is your only leverage. You will be sure they will be on their best behavior if they are shopping and waiting on a pay day. This also does not effect other mongers as this kind of drives the prices down instead of inflating them this helps the community as a whole. This is normally how compensated dating works in countries where this is a thing. Key is just to be fair and equitable but come out on top in these negotiations. The reason this works out in your favor is because you are setting the market and they may or may not be keen enough to really understand what is going on. It is very rare that they do know what's going on because these girls are usually not very well educated. You basically are negotiating with a high school level individual not a PhD student. Hope this gives you an idea of how to proceed with your compensated dating negotiations.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2348463]This is normally how compensated dating works in countries where this is a thing. Key is just to be fair and equitable but come out on top in these negotiations. The reason this works out in your favor is because you are setting the market and they may or may not be keen enough to really understand what is going on. It is very rare that they do know what's going on because these girls are usually not very well educated. You basically are negotiating with a high school level individual not a PhD student. Hope this gives you an idea of how to proceed with your compensated dating negotiations.[/QUOTE]The thing is that this kind of shit is next level for most mongers. They are sex starved back home and are just happy to be sticking their dick into a hole. That is why many of them will try to take some chick on a getaway that they have no chemistry with. I am a pretty good judge (and I can tell that you are too) of whether I should invite this chick on this getaway before even meeting her. I think your advanced methods would be over most mongers' heads though.

How many times has someone asked how much should I give a chick for taking her somewhere for a few days or a week and someone calculates the already exorbitant amount (say $100) that they are giving chicks when they bar fine them or whatever for one day and multiplies that by the number of days? I have always advocated for giving a chick in that case a reduced rate because it is guaranteed money for her and of course on a regular job she is making nowhere near what I paid her for 1 night. I will usually not take a paid chick for an extended time like that because I know so many unpaid chicks that I can wife up with. But in the extreme case that I did, then I would pay her the $30 that I usually pay chicks for one night, but every subsequent night I would only pay her $15 or something along those lines.

Years ago I met a freelance chick in Pattaya and she told me that if she had a boyfriend that would give her $300 per month then she would no longer need to freelance. That was a way more realistic number than the $1000 per month that I see some girls getting sent to them. So try asking that kind of question to the girl. How much did you make on your last job? How much would a job have to pay for you to consider it a good job? You will not get the crazy amounts like $100 per day, that is for damn sure.

That is why it helps knowing something about the cost of living of the place that you are visiting. Stop thinking about what shit would cost back home or how much you would have to pay a chick back home, and get into your head what kind of money people on normal jobs are getting paid locally. Most guys are not realizing that 30,000 pesos per month is way more than the average person would see. My ex-girlfriend works at a massage shop in Angeles and she told me she makes from 15K to 18K per month. And my chick that has a PhD and is a university dean makes about 35K. So I think most chicks would jump at the 30K plus expenses that you gave your friend.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348478]..... So I think most chicks would jump at the 30K plus expenses that you gave your friend.[/QUOTE]I am comfortable at paying my regulars more than they could make elsewhere in a straight job. Part of it is I want them to dress well, have their hair and nails done regularly to have a gym membership etc.

Part of them I want them to know that being exclusive to me, being with me and making me happy in all ways is very much in their best interests.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348478]The thing is that this kind of shit is next level for most mongers. They are sex starved back home and are just happy to be sticking their dick into a hole. That is why many of them will try to take some chick on a getaway that they have no chemistry with. I am a pretty good judge (and I can tell that you are too) of whether I should invite this chick on this getaway before even meeting her. I think your advanced methods would be over most mongers' heads though.[/QUOTE]A lot of these guys just read these so called tips and think they should be on guard and fearful of their safety. This is just not true you are going to a foreign land and literally having sex with their women. This is a time to dig in and open these girls up not to bunker down and yet again become the victim. Time after time you hear these guys saying how fearful you are about the girls taking advantage of them. All of these guys need to take some responsibility and run the game don't let this game run you and nothing these beta males say will ever happen to you. There is so much fear and trepidation on this board about being taken advantage or scammed that it sucks all the fun out this hobby. You are right that these guys just want sex but. Why not get exactly what you want? I think I got blasted on this forum before about telling the truth. But I'm referring to telling the truth about what you want because more often than not you will get it. When I say tell the truth I don't mean talk about yourself. I think you talking about your personal story is unnecessary. YOU are paying the girl and YOU are in control I don't tell these girls shit about myself but I grill them about their history. If you talk to these girls enough they are all neurotic insanely afraid of unknowns and of being taken advantage of. I would hope my posts would air on the side of not being afraid to get what you want and have as much sex as possible. The Philippines is like Disneyland in terms of safety compared to some of the other countries I've been to and this country is so wide open and the girls are so pliable, uneducated and naive that the whole country is ripe for the pickings.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2348864]. A. If you talk to these girls enough they are all neurotic insanely afraid of unknowns and of being taken advantage of.
B. The Philippines is like Disneyland in terms of safety compared to some of the other countries I've been to and this country is so wide open and the girls are so pliable, uneducated and naive that the whole country is ripe for the pickings.[/QUOTE]Please explain A and B.

A. You don't seem the type of guy who gets into long conversations with the hookers. As you can bargain and as they do not have much bargaining power, they probably feel you are f-g them over. When I ask them a price, I walk away if itr is even slightly too high. No more negotiation with her as she is most likely trouble. What unknowns are they afraid of besides alphas kicking them about?

B. What are those other countries. Surely there are plenty of women in the Phils if you tried plucking them someone would put a bullet in your skull?

My take is I can only bonk (not) so many and I have given up on Vitamin V. I negotiate, I keep a low profile and it works.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2348897]A. You don't seem the type of guy who gets into long conversations with the hookers. As you can bargain and as they do not have much bargaining power, they probably feel you are f-g them over. When I ask them a price, I walk away if itr is even slightly too high. No more negotiation with her as she is most likely trouble. What unknowns are they afraid of besides alphas kicking them about?

B. What are those other countries. Surely there are plenty of women in the Phils if you tried pluc[/QUOTE]A lot of these Philippines are extremely neurotic and unstable, Fears of men not giving them the full amount of money agreed upon. Afraid of being left somewhere without a way to get back home if they meet you away from their home they are afraid that you will abandon them. Afraid that you will not like them due to their inaccurate body image, notably the pubic areas and maybe some scars they have from a child birth or a car accident or maybe a scar left over from a Staph infection, they sometimes are insecure about how their pussy looks or smells, this annoys the fuck out of me. Afraid of you learning the truth about their past. There are about 50 other things these girls are thinking about the moment you meet them. And I do feel that this is exacerbated by the fact they can speak English.

Laos and China have their weird cohabitation laws that are rarely enforced but can be in the Philippines this is not a concern. When I am in Myanmar, Laos, China, Indonesia, Its all about fucking for me and much less GFE and I am clueless to their neurosis as they do not have the ability to convey it which might be the reason why philippinas enjoy Koreans because the interaction is not as personal and the questions asked are not as deep. But this can also be seen as an advantage in terms of bargaining and manipulation for the punter so that's why I say this is like Disneyland because negotiations are wide open if you take advantage of it and assuage their necrotic tendency. Vetting these women goes a long way to NOT getting a bullet in your head. Vetting women is much harder in non English speaking countries. I will sometimes take trips to their homes and talk to their family. Their family does not always have their best interests in mind so they will oftentimes tell you information the women would like to keep secret. There are so many to choose from in phils even if they are hot and if they have some questionable issues I just limit those interactions to a one night stand. Almost all bar girls have a storied and troubled life and that is the reason why I almost ever multi day bar fine a bar girl (don't get me wrong I will still have sex with them, I still bar fine bar girls short time but I just don't give them the opportunity to screw me over). I'm serious about this shit when other punters are sleeping or drinking beers I am lining up more pussy. I am not looking at the guys in the bars like some of guys are I am not hanging out with expats. I am actively looking for pussy when in country nonstop.

A lot of what I say is only for longer term barfines or compensated dating arrangements, I sometimes do a short time in the day time if I can find a reliable location and work on these longer term pay offs during the evening on dates or vise versa. I do get my dick wet regardless.

One thing that I do often is I use the girls I meet online as a gateway and sometimes the girl I talk to online is not the girl I end up with for the reason that the vetting process of the girl who was online fell through but I am able to vet her friend. Which is also harder to do with a language barrier. Its far safer to choose the girl who likes you than to force one that doesn't to be with you. This is how I meet women who are not normally on the market without being shot. But you cannot meet these women unless you go out and actively seek them out. But then again that might be the difference between an experienced monger and a novice one.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2349066]A lot of these Philippines are extremely neurotic and unstable, Fears of men not giving them the full amount of money agreed upon. Afraid of being left somewhere without a way to get back home if they meet you away from their home they are afraid that you will abandon them. e.[/QUOTE]I have never experienced this. The girls are usually very confident. Sometimes shy if they are a bit new. Try to make them feel at ease by talking in a nice way and you will soon calm any nerves. A relaxed girl will always be more fun. Talking about yourself instead of them can calm them. Let me know how this goes.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2349066]Laos and China have their weird cohabitation laws that are rarely enforced but can be in the Philippines this is not a concern. When I am in Myanmar, Laos, China, Indonesia,

Vetting these women goes a long way to NOT getting a bullet in your head..[/QUOTE]I think you will find that the Philippines has some very strict laws about having sex with a married woman, but its not normally a problem. If your level of paranoia or concern is high then ask the girl if she is legally married. If you are really worried, record her reply on your phone. I have never seen anyone mention this before but if you are worried then we should be supportive of your feelings. Also don't worry too much about getting bullets in your head. You might have seen stuff like this in the movies but it doesn't usually happen in Makati haha.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2349066] I will sometimes take trips to their homes and talk to their family. p.
[/QUOTE]This is the best way to discover a country. Some of my best experiences have been travelling to their home towns. In Vietnam the dad cut a jackfruit from the tree and we all sat on the ground eating it, sister plucked fresh lemongrass and stuff from the garden and cooked right there on the concrete, in Cambodia I stayed in the provincial police compound (girl's family lived in the compound because one was police) and watched as they dragged a dude in and listened as he was tasered in the room as they either tried to get him to say sorry / confess or punish him, in the Philippines I stayed in the single room house with 3 mattresses on the floor and 7 people sleeping on them.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2349066]I'm serious about this shit when other punters are sleeping or drinking beers I am lining up more pussy. I am not looking at the guys in the bars like some of guys are I am not hanging out with expats. I am actively looking for pussy when in country nonstop.[/QUOTE]It is great that you are serious. But try to look around. It makes it all a lot more fun. Watch the interactions. Look for the secret hand signals that the girls use, look at how they react to customers, look at how the punters act towards the girls, sit in a bar and watch people walk by and see the man in the wheelchair collecting donations and then the girl come up and take the money from him and hand it to the dude up the end of the street. And then see who else this group interacts with. Is it the two school age girls on the bike that ride up and down all day. It's fascinating. I visit these places just for punting but looking around an immersing yourself in a country is also part of the experience that more experienced punters have come to know and love. Getting to know some of these people will also help you build connections within the street. Say Hi to the pan handler, the cadger, the scroungers and mooches. They are all part of the tapestry that makes these places so interesting.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2349066]One thing that I do often is I use the girls I meet online as a gateway and sometimes the girl I talk to online is not the girl I end up with for the reason that the vetting process of the girl who was online fell through[/QUOTE]I am not sure how new to mongering you are. But if you are chatting online to someone and it is not working out, you can ask them if any of their friends are your type. This way you can sometimes get a girl who is thinking about doing it for money but who hasn't done it yet. I love the shy ones, the ones who have never put a cock in their mouths before. They often gag the first time because just the thought of it makes them feel ill. But they put it in slowly and experiment with their tongues and don't know how to speed it up with their hands so its just this warn wet soft feeling as she slides you in and out of her virgin mouth.

I am different than most guys on ISG in that I look for girls ages 27 to 38. I don't care if they have a kid or two but not 3 or more. Also youngest kid must be older than breast feeder. Incidentally the one 9, 27 yo I had last week had the worst stretch marks I have yet seen and she was very embarrassed by them and wanted the lights down and wore a short belly corset to cover them, fucked her anyway. All of my pulls are from dating sites. I am far north of 60 yo so I prefer the older girls. The young ones are often arrogant, conceited, in this for the money, etc. And are seldom GFE with an old guy which I want. I have viewed hundreds of profiles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the ones that are perfect for me. They are not for everyone but for me it's OK if they are a 6 or 7 just don't want chubby / fat. I have noticed there are ways from their pics to know the ones who are good to go. Subtle hand signals (very clever) , cleavage shows, scenes on a bed, pics In a mongers hotel room, and some others. My batting average is almost at 1000% now after working it for so long. They never ask me for money although when I offer taxi fare they accept and I always throw another amount to them. The profile verbiage they write is not important. The ages they suggest can be ignored. Lastly I have noticed in the verbiage they write the term "generous guy wanted" which used to show up a lot is now gone. That was always a sign of a girl ready to ride the train. Because the term is virtually gone across the Philippines it seems the girls have some kind of telegraph working. At my age The Philippines is amazing, just hope I can keep it up another couple of years. Pun intended. Well, in an hour I have one coming that I will install at my feet as I sit in my chair on internet and she will suck my dick forever if I want then I will pound her pussy and send her home. I hope I have some juice left after last nites CIM girl. Getting old is a *****.

Hello,

I'm enjoying reading and learning about the diff areas of pleasure available in the Philippines. I am flying in in October on a one day layover. I would appreciate some advice from some of you experienced mongers. Since I come into to Ninoy airport in mid afternoon on Sunday and leave Monday around 11 am, should I stay closer to the airport and hit Edsa area or is Makati a reasonable trek to the airport?

Also wondering what the talent level in Edsa vs Burgos is? I read that Cotton Club closed for renovation. Is it still closed? Is Edsa still a viable place to find talent on a Sunday night or is there a better venue? Thanks in advance! I'll be sure to post my experience after my trip!

The other night via ANA, NRT to MNL, I arrived at 8:45 pm T3.

Off the plane at 9:00 pm.

Thru immigration 9:10 pm.

Picked up bags 9:14 pm.

At Genesis bus bay 14 9:16 pm.

Bus left for AC 9:30 pm.

Bus pulls up to SM City Clark 11:30 pm.

Grab car arrives 11:38 pm.

One of my all time favorites in hotel at 12:15 am.

Love AC.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2350094]The other night via ANA, NRT to MNL, I arrived at 8:45 pm T3.

Off the plane at 9:00 pm.

Thru immigration 9:10 pm.

Picked up bags 9:14 pm.

At Genesis bus bay 14 9:16 pm.

Bus left for AC 9:30 pm.

Bus pulls up to SM City Clark 11:30 pm.

Grab car arrives 11:38 pm.

One of my all time favorites in hotel at 12:15 am.

Love AC.[/QUOTE] Nicely done

[QUOTE=LiveFree25;2349759]Hello,

I'm enjoying reading and learning about the diff areas of pleasure available in the Philippines. I am flying in in October on a one day layover. I would appreciate some advice from some of you experienced mongers. Since I come into to Ninoy airport in mid afternoon on Sunday and leave Monday around 11 am, should I stay closer to the airport and hit Edsa area or is Makati a reasonable trek to the airport?

Also wondering what the talent level in Edsa vs Burgos is? I read that Cotton Club closed for renovation. Is it still closed? Is Edsa still a viable place to find talent on a Sunday night or is there a better venue? Thanks in advance! I'll be sure to post my experience after my trip![/QUOTE]Head out to Makati. Book a hotel near Burgos Street. Go to a Burgos Street bar and barfine a day shift girl. She will stay with you for 12 hours. When she leaves the next day at 6. 00 am, check out and head to the airport. Mission accomplished.

Don't try to do too much. It will end up in a complicated mess. Keep it nice and simple. Don't think you are going to miss out on anything.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2350130]Nicely done[/QUOTE]Still doing her at the moment 10:15am. Thanks.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2350132]Head out to Makati. Book a hotel near Burgos Street. Go to a Burgos Street bar and barfine a day shift girl. She will stay with you for 12 hours. When she leaves the next day at 6. 00 am, check out and head to the airport. Mission accomplished.

Don't try to do too much. It will end up in a complicated mess. Keep it nice and simple. Don't think you are going to miss out on anything.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. That may end up as my plan. Kind of stressed since don't have much time to play but don't want to waste the opportunity either.

Heading to Manila In a week, started moving my tinder to that City to start making matches. This will be my first visit to this country.

How prevalent are the lady boys? There is a heap on tinder and is it easy to spot / identify them at the bars? Don't want you take one home.

[QUOTE=AsiaFever;2353302]Heading to Manila In a week, started moving my tinder to that City to start making matches. This will be my first visit to this country.

How prevalent are the lady boys? There is a heap on tinder and is it easy to spot / identify them at the bars? Don't want you take one home.[/QUOTE]There are many LBs on Tinder. Always ask. One thing you should realize is traffic in Manila is really bad and for much of the day you could literally walk 5 km in the time it takes you in a taxi. I would suggest looking at PL and Date in Asia as sources as well.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2353468]There are many LBs on Tinder. Always ask. [/QUOTE]True but the ones on Tinder will generally have it in their profile or at least tell you when asked. Those on many of the other Apps will flat out lie to you.

Be careful out there. G.

[QUOTE=AsiaFever;2353302]Heading to Manila In a week, started moving my tinder to that City to start making matches. This will be my first visit to this country.

How prevalent are the lady boys? There is a heap on tinder and is it easy to spot / identify them at the bars? Don't want you take one home.[/QUOTE]They don't want conflict and are proud of being Trans so I have never seen one lie, I have some as friends. If you get tricked let them blow you they are 2 x better than women!

[MontanaMonger,

I would never want to visit their homes unless I was actually serious about them. Are you not ashamed to let it be known you are banging their daughter with no real intent? I would be rather embarrassed. I am curious why you are not?

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2355318] If you get tricked let them blow you they are 2 x better than women![/QUOTE]Totally disagree. Kick them out an raise your voice if they refuse to go and try to bully you into handing over some money. Supporting their little scam just encourages them. They are often not very nice people. Even the girl on the street are often wary of them. They get into fight, bully and steal. They, these are generalizations but they are not the same as girls.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2355318]They don't want conflict and are proud of being Trans so I have never seen one lie, I have some as friends. If you get tricked let them blow you they are 2 x better than women![/QUOTE]You have no problem being blown by a man?

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2349453]I am different than most guys on ISG in that I look for girls ages 27 to 38......Getting old is a *****.[/QUOTE]Except for accepting kids, I could have written that post. While the occasional 18 or 19 year old is kind of fun, but for more than a simple fuck and suck, I like older women between 25 and 40 or so. They are more mature, know what they want and what they have to give to get it.

I find a high negative correlation between age and frequency of no shows. (younger tend to flake out more often than older women for those not familiar with statistical talk.).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2355649]You have no problem being blown by a man?[/QUOTE]You have a problem with him having / not having a problem?

[QUOTE=Cons68;2356867]You have a problem with him having / not having a problem?[/QUOTE]Something to ponder. How guys crave anal sex with a girl but OMG do it with a ladyboy and it becomes a disgusting abhorrent act.

If the end goal is the achievement of an orgasm and having a fun time, and we are not talking about sex for procreation reasons, let him have his enjoyment.

Because I masturbate, and most do, does that mean you are a lonely, degenerate wanker. I think not.

For the record I play on both sides of the street and am fully comfortable doing so.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2356882]Something to ponder. How guys crave anal sex with a girl but OMG do it with a ladyboy and it becomes a disgusting abhorrent act.

If the end goal is the achievement of an orgasm and having a fun time, and we are not talking about sex for procreation reasons, let him have his enjoyment.

Because I masturbate, and most do, does that mean you are a lonely, degenerate wanker. I think not.

For the record I play on both sides of the street and am fully comfortable doing so.

NI.[/QUOTE]Bold. And no question from NI. #yougoboi.

[QUOTE=Cons68;2356867]You have a problem with him having / not having a problem?[/QUOTE]The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2356999]The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.[/QUOTE]The problem is that the trannies misrepresent themselves as women and insist on payment for misleading men who are not interested in having sex with men. Think of it as a consumer opening a package to find a product that looks very different to the one promised in the advertising and the photos on the packaging. When he complains, the vendor insists that he should use the product because it is just as good or event better than what he wanted to purchase. The vendor goes a step further and insists that the consumer pay for the product, which he never wanted, in order to rid himself of it. Perhaps, the vendor becomes very cheeky and threatens to cause trouble if the consumer does not comply with his demands.

That is the problem. Of course, mongers who want and intend to fuck trannies have no problem when they find that one weaseled his way into their hotel room for a night of anal action. They can always flip a coin for top or bottom.

Today makes 2 months that me and my girlfriend have been together. We still haven't done the nasty, but she said that tonight she will give me a surprise. Any advice?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2357042]Today makes 2 months that me and my girlfriend have been together. We still haven't done the nasty, but she said that tonight she will give me a surprise. Any advice?[/QUOTE]Be certain to use a condom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2357042]Today makes 2 months that me and my girlfriend have been together. We still haven't done the nasty, but she said that tonight she will give me a surprise. Any advice?[/QUOTE]But, Strongly doubt whether 2 months have gone past without deeds being done, be it top or bottom. A Lb who doesn't want to fuck is like a man who doesn't want to fuck. Did I just say the same thing? LOL.

NI.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2357042]Today makes 2 months that me and my girlfriend have been together. We still haven't done the nasty, but she said that tonight she will give me a surprise. Any advice?[/QUOTE]What a lucky guy! 555.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2357042]Today makes 2 months that me and my girlfriend have been together. We still haven't done the nasty, but she said that tonight she will give me a surprise. Any advice?[/QUOTE]Bring a box of Trojan Magnums for her and a jumbo tube of lube, for you!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2357376]Bring a box of Trojan Magnums for her and a jumbo tube of lube, for you![/QUOTE]LOL, and some viagra for her as well.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2357376]Bring a box of Trojan Magnums for her and a jumbo tube of lube, for you![/QUOTE]Mega sore ass.

LOL.

I was having dinner inside S and are Membership when one of the travel service girl was walking around holding a sign "Special rates round trip to Hong Kong"! Maybe S and are has a special Terminal in HK. LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2356999]The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem.[/QUOTE]And that is up to him.

A goat, a donkey and two trannies, my dream Holliday!
And you do not need to care about unwanted pregnancies !


PS After years making the joke some bastard use (but the donkey) on Archer, an adult cartoon.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2356882]Something to ponder. How guys crave anal sex with a girl but OMG do it with a ladyboy and it becomes a disgusting abhorrent act.

If the end goal is the achievement of an orgasm and having a fun time, and we are not talking about sex for procreation reasons, let him have his enjoyment.

Because I masturbate, and most do, does that mean you are a lonely, degenerate wanker. I think not.

For the record I play on both sides of the street and am fully comfortable doing so.

NI.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2357042]Today makes 2 months that me and my girlfriend have been together. We still haven't done the nasty, but she said that tonight she will give me a surprise. Any advice?[/QUOTE]Maybe she has a taped dick under her skirt LOL.

Just planning my next trip and I will have 12 hours to kill in Manila before heading home. I was thinking of getting a cheap hotel near the airport to dump my bags and then going to Flight 168 massage parlour.

Could someone please advise me if they provide just a massage and HJ here or is this a full service joint? In any case, is it a worthwhile experience?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2360320]Just planning my next trip and I will have 12 hours to kill in Manila before heading home. I was thinking of getting a cheap hotel near the airport to dump my bags and then going to Flight 168 massage parlour.

Could someone please advise me if they provide just a massage and HJ here or is this a full service joint? In any case, is it a worthwhile experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Oyster Hotel, Paranaque. Then work from there. Gives a cheap low cost base. This hotel is best suited for T1 or T2.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2360320]Just planning my next trip and I will have 12 hours to kill in Manila before heading home. I was thinking of getting a cheap hotel near the airport to dump my bags and then going to Flight 168 massage parlour.

Could someone please advise me if they provide just a massage and HJ here or is this a full service joint? In any case, is it a worthwhile experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Rather than write one, read this. It may be a little dated but the facts are still the same.

[URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-air-force-one-flight-168-manila-philippines/[/URL]

I have the chance to visit Manila and Cebu during the 20 December - 05 January but I'm worried that.

1. the girls may leave the big city to be with the family during Christmas and New Year.

2. There will be too many tourist during that period.

3. The price for airplane tickets and hotels will be very high because of the high season.

Manila experts, can you share your opinion? There is an option to delay the trip with 1-2 months but honestly can't wait. But if it will be a tourist madness, high prices and low numbers of working girls. Doesn't sounds good idea. Advice?

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2360885]I have the chance to visit Manila and Cebu during the 20 December - 05 January but I'm worried that.

1. the girls may leave the big city to be with the family during Christmas and New Year.[/QUOTE]Correct. There will only be 8 million left to choose from. The very best will have the cash to make the trip home but those that only go home once a year will likely choose Holy Week / Easter. There will still be many available.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2360885]
2. There will be too many tourist during that period.[/QUOTE]Not too many to notice in MNL and CEB. The tourist resorts and islands will be busy.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2360885]
3. The price for airplane tickets and hotels will be very high because of the high season.

Manila experts, can you share your opinion? There is an option to delay the trip with 1-2 months but honestly can't wait. But if it will be a tourist madness, high prices and low numbers of working girls. Doesn't sounds good idea. Advice?[/QUOTE]All the hotels and airlines are online so you can check the prices for the dates that suit you. You may not get lowest cost flights etc during the period but substantial savings can be made to airfares by booking ahead or being flexible on the day of the week that you travel. I've found hotels the opposite. If you are flexible on which hotel, there can be substantial savings as hotels try to fill rooms a day or two out. Of course you run the risk of your first choice being full so have a few options.

Where do you want to fly to? Keep in mind that the week between Christmas and NY is notorious for typhoons etc ravaging the Visayas. I've stopped travelling to PI during this period simply because I spend a lot of time out on the islands and have been caught out numerous times by various acts of God.

If you need to go during that week and intend to visit only Manila and Cebu then you will be fine and have a great time.

If you want to fly in, visit the beaches and islands and have a fixed destination and time schedule then I'd stay away from the week you mentioned.

Enjoy. G.

Hi guys,

I'm planning to travel to The Philippines around the December end. Since it's a holiday season where can I find the most activity?

I have 2 days in Manila 2 days in Boracay and 2 days in Cebu.

Does Pinalove help in scoring?

Regards,

SB.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2360320]Just planning my next trip and I will have 12 hours to kill in Manila before heading home. I was thinking of getting a cheap hotel near the airport to dump my bags and then going to Flight 168 massage parlour.

Could someone please advise me if they provide just a massage and HJ here or is this a full service joint? In any case, is it a worthwhile experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Flight 168 is definitely a full service bordello. The setup is very similar to a high end BKK Soapie. Basically, they offer customers a couple of different fishbowls each composed of different quality or different rated girls and Flight 168 prices their girls accordingly.

Customers also have a choice in the quality of room where they take the girl. I forget the names, but it's something like 1st class, executive class, and coach class. The 1st class rooms all have jacuzzi tubs. When I was last there the VIP class girls where located on the ground floor fishbowl, one floor beneath Airforce 1 and next to Flight 168's lounge area. 168's regular girls where somewhere else. All customers must enter the building and walk through the lobby of Airforce 1 in order to proceed to Flight 168. There will be a friendly host in the AF1 lobby to greet you and show you where you want to go.

I recommend that you take a look at the 1st class girl's fishbowl. It is not like they are all hot, but usually there are 2 or 3 girls that shine above the rest and more than meet my spec. And shagging a good-looking girl is the whole point of visiting a place like this if you ask me. The best time to come is around 7 pm to have the opportunity to select from widest assortment the prime-time girls. There used to be an early bird 1/2 price discount if you come before 5 pm. I don't know if that is still in effect. I think it might be.

Service in the 1st class rooms includes soapy jacuzzi time, BBBJ's, and covered sex on the bed. DFK, DATY & 69 depend on the girl and the vibe you establish with her. Service in the cheaper room is the same as in the more expensive room except that there will not be any jacuzzi fun time and the beds are smaller. I have had great sessions and just ok sessions in Flight 168, so no guarantees, but I never had a bad session. Thus I give the place a thumbs up and recommend it to you. I will add, however, that the hottest girls are in AF 1 not Flight 168. Ha Ha. But AF 1 does not get started until late and you better be prepared to spend well over 12,000 p if you want to shag an AF 1 girl.

The total cost (girl and room) in Flight 168 is between 5,000 p and 7,500 p. The bill is prepaid like at a BKK Soapy. But like I said, at Flight 168 the bill is broken down into its two component parts so you are charged for the room whichever room you select and charged for the girl whichever category girl you select. Credit cards are accepted. Tips to a girl for good service are voluntary, of course, but greatly appreciated.

Flight 168 also has a lounge area so you can relax before, after, or in between a session. They serve a buffet at certain times and a la carte food items at other times although it is not cheap. Any type liquor is obviously available. In any case, it would be very easy to spend 4 or 5 hours or longer in this bordello and shag a couple of girls while waiting for a flight. Depending on your flight times, I imagine an outside hotel might not be needed.

Have a great time!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2360954]Flight 168 is definitely a full service bordello. The setup is very similar to a high end BKK Soapie. Basically, they offer customers a couple of different fishbowls each composed of different quality or different rated girls and Flight 168 prices their girls accordingly.

Customers also have a choice in the quality of room where they take the girl. I forget the names, but it's something like 1st class, executive class, and coach class. The 1st class rooms all have jacuzzi tubs. When I was last there the VIP class girls where located on the ground floor fishbowl, one floor beneath Airforce 1 and next to Flight 168's lounge area. 168's regular girls where somewhere else. All customers must enter the building and walk through the lobby of Airforce 1 in order to proceed to Flight 168. There will be a friendly host in the AF1 lobby to greet you and show you where you want to go.

I recommend that you take a look at the 1st class girl's fishbowl. It is not like they are all hot, but usually there are 2 or 3 girls that shine above the rest and more than meet my spec. And shagging a good-looking girl is the whole point of visiting a place like this if you ask me. The best time to come is around 7 pm to have the opportunity to select from widest assortment the prime-time girls. There used to be an early bird 1/2 price discount if you come before 5 pm. I don't know if that is still in effect. I think it might be.

Service in the 1st class rooms includes soapy jacuzzi time, BBBJ's, and covered sex on the bed. DFK, DATY & 69 depend on the girl and the vibe you establish with her. Service in the cheaper room is the same as in the more expensive room except that there will not be any jacuzzi fun time and the beds are smaller. I have had great sessions and just ok sessions in Flight 168, so no guarantees, but I never had a bad session. Thus I give the place a thumbs up and recommend it to you. I will add, however, that the hottest girls are in AF 1 not Flight 168. Ha Ha. But AF 1 does not get started until late and you better be prepared to spend well over 12,000 p if you want to shag an AF 1 girl.

The total cost (girl and room) in Flight 168 is between 5,000 p and 7,500 p. The bill is prepaid like at a BKK Soapy. But like I said, at Flight 168 the bill is broken down into its two component parts so you are charged for the room whichever room you select and charged for the girl whichever category girl you select. Credit cards are accepted. Tips to a girl for good service are voluntary, of course, but greatly appreciated.

Flight 168 also has a lounge area so you can relax before, after, or in between a session. They serve a buffet at certain times and a la carte food items at other times although it is not cheap. Any type liquor is obviously available. In any case, it would be very easy to spend 4 or 5 hours or longer in this bordello and shag a couple of girls while waiting for a flight. Depending on your flight times, I imagine an outside hotel might not be needed.

Have a great time![/QUOTE]Thanks Natty. Much appreciated. Your detailed information is brilliant. The reason for the hotel was just to secure my valuables and electronics. I didn't want to cart too much gear into a bordello. LOL.

[QUOTE=HTownHunter;2360755]Rather than write one, read this. It may be a little dated but the facts are still the same.

[URL]http://rockitreports.com/review-air-force-one-flight-168-manila-philippines/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks HTH. I will send in a field report after I go.

[QUOTE=StarterBlaster;2360916]Hi guys,

I'm planning to travel to The Philippines around the December end. Since it's a holiday season where can I find the most activity?

I have 2 days in Manila 2 days in Boracay and 2 days in Cebu.

Does Pinalove help in scoring?

Regards,

SB.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert in online scamming, oops I mean dating, but for such a short trip you should be able to find more than enough hookers using the free service on WeChat and Tinder. I'm assuming you don't actually want the romancing, wining and dining with your instant girlfriend who is looking for her "one and only".

I've played around with PL, but the fuck around factor before finding a hooker is high. You need to filter your way through 100's of candidates and then there's a high probability she will flake out. Wechat and Tinder are proximity based apps and you know who is around nearby, right now to come and fuck. Pinays are the most unreliable bunch of people on earth and can't be trusted to post a letter.

[QUOTE=StarterBlaster;2360916]Hi guys,

I'm planning to travel to The Philippines around the December end. Since it's a holiday season where can I find the most activity?

I have 2 days in Manila 2 days in Boracay and 2 days in Cebu.

Does Pinalove help in scoring?

Regards,

SB.[/QUOTE]In Cebu and Manila you will find chicks available everywhere with little effort. For a 2 day stay only, you really want point and shoot so ED is right: the location based apps are better. No dating app chick is going to prioritize an unknown guy here for such a short stay so the no show likelihood is high if a known guy or better offer appears. Of course, if you want to see what you are getting first, just go to Burgos in Manila or a FL nightclub in Cebu.

I've never been to Boracay but I hear there are limited options there. Perhaps arrive with your best find from mnl or cebu?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=StarterBlaster;2360916]Hi guys,

I'm planning to travel to The Philippines around the December end. Since it's a holiday season where can I find the most activity?

I have 2 days in Manila 2 days in Boracay and 2 days in Cebu.

Does Pinalove help in scoring?

Regards,

SB.[/QUOTE]Most girls on dating sites will be busy during holidays unless you are hosting dinner for the whole family. Some bars do close. My pretty friend even gave an excuse during Election Day saying she is canvassing and cannot be with me in Cebu. However waterfront casino is open and there are always girls there.

In Manila LA cafe should be open. Perfect time to go to Boracay because it will be less crowded. Better take a girl with you.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2360885]I have the chance to visit Manila and Cebu during the 20 December - 05 January but I'm worried that.

1. the girls may leave the big city to be with the family during Christmas and New Year.

2. There will be too many tourist during that period.

3. The price for airplane tickets and hotels will be very high because of the high season.

Manila experts, can you share your opinion? There is an option to delay the trip with 1-2 months but honestly can't wait. But if it will be a tourist madness, high prices and low numbers of working girls. Doesn't sounds good idea. Advice?[/QUOTE]I would probably pass on the trip if I had the option to wait 1-2 months. You never know, but Christmas and a family is a big thing for them. I would think that the better talent is probably going to be able to afford to go back to the province to celebrate. If you are not worried about talent quality, then there's always someone available.

Thank you brothers for the insights & bringing me up to speed.

Regards,

SB.

Great report!

Would you know if transportation to airport (taxi or uber) can be easily arranged from that place?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2360954]Flight 168 is definitely a full service bordello. The setup is very similar to a high end BKK Soapie. Basically, they offer customers a couple of different fishbowls each composed of different quality or different rated girls and Flight 168 prices their girls accordingly.

Customers also have a choice in the quality of room where they take the girl. I forget the names, but it's something like 1st class, executive class, and coach class. The 1st class rooms all have jacuzzi tubs. When I was last there the VIP class girls where located on the ground floor fishbowl, one floor beneath Airforce 1 and next to Flight 168's lounge area. 168's regular girls where somewhere else. All customers must enter the building and walk through the lobby of Airforce 1 in order to proceed to Flight 168. There will be a friendly host in the AF1 lobby to greet you and show you where you want to go.

I recommend that you take a look at the 1st class girl's fishbowl. It is not like they are all hot, but usually there are 2 or 3 girls that shine above the rest and more than meet my spec. And shagging a good-looking girl is the whole point of visiting a place like this if you ask me. The best time to come is around 7 pm to have the opportunity to select from widest assortment the prime-time girls. There used to be an early bird 1/2 price discount if you come before 5 pm. I don't know if that is still in effect. I think it might be.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TaipeiRoc2011;2361623]Great report!

Would you know if transportation to airport (taxi or uber) can be easily arranged from that place?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Not a problem. AF 1 is on a busy road. The ride to Terminal 1 should not be more than 10 to 15 minutes under normal circumstances, but you should allow for more time just to be on the safe side.

[QUOTE=TaipeiRoc2011;2361623]Would you know if transportation to airport (taxi or uber) can be easily arranged from that place?[/QUOTE]Taxis are readily available, cost will be about p150 ($3 USD), depending the level of traffic. Grab is the app in Phils, not Uber. Download it and set it up with an account before you go. A Grab car will run about p50 more than a taxi.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2361766]Taxis are readily available, cost will be about p150 ($3 USD), depending the level of traffic. Grab is the app in Phils, not Uber. Download it and set it up with an account before you go. A Grab car will run about p50 more than a taxi.[/QUOTE]Annoying Grab will not always alow you to establish an account before you arrive in country. Last time I checked if you install the Grab App in Australia it is Geo locked and says it doesn't work. Once on the ground with a PH sim then it is good to go.

Certainly have it downloaded to your phone which will save time at airport.

First post!

Phew, just spent the last few days reading back 80 pages which dates back about a year. Some good information in there, but also about 20% dedicated to SIM card talk.

Anyways just thought I would contribute a little report on my trip last month. Stayed at Red planet in Malate for 2 nights, great location, hotel nice and clean. About 2000 PHP / night.

1st night:

Trip was with a Japanese coworker (I am working in a Japanese multinational), and we spent some time in Pattaya and Bangkok before arriving in Manila. After showering headed to Robinson's mall for some food where we were approached pretty quickly by a momma-san who asked if we were interested in a girl she pointed out in the distance. We were totally not ready for action yet (most of our nights started around 2 am in Thailand, and it was about 6 pm now). But, the girl was cute! Thin, short, with a big ass, really long luscious black hair down to her ass, and she looked barely legal (later confirmed 26). My type. A little cold, or nervous, but no problem. Upon asking the price, Momma was about to say 3 but then stuttered and said 2500 for 3 hours. After dealing with Bangkok prices me and my buddy looked at each other almost in disbelief. The cheap side in me wanted to negotiate but I find sometimes that kills momentum and the price was right for us anyways.

I took her, and Momma-san brought a couple girls around for my picky friend, who settled on a girl with those fashionable big glasses, big ass and braces. Her best point was how down to earth and friendly she was. Both girls were seriously cute, and at least did not come off as seasoned mercenaries. As we were leaving with them and walking away, we saw momma following us. She tried to ask for her cut (500) up front. We told her no, that we would give 2500 to the girls and that she could get it from them later. Momma protested. We held firm. We won.

The night was still young so we asked the girls if they wanted to get a drink and if they knew somewhere good. They were shy but agreed, and said there was a bar nearby but that it was "cheap" and seemed embarrassed about it. Cute.

Bar was certainly cheap, drank a lot, had a blast. Some of their mall friends came by. Good chemistry, conversation and laughs. Lack of language barrier is a big plus. Went to a nightclub for a bit before heading back to the hotel (by this time it was past midnight).

We hop into the shower, she's adamant about turning lights off so that its pitch black. Whatever. Take shower, asks if I have condom, I say I do. VERY passionate DFK, deep throat. Asks me to bang her in the shower, I say condoms are in the room. She says no condom needed. I say yes condom needed, let's go to the bed. Start banging on the bed, passionate and aggressive. Go through the various positions. Enjoying myself. Suddenly, overwhelming smell of blood. I turn on the lights, it's a war zone with blood all over the sheets. Girl has the look of a toddler who got caught out doing something bad. Couldn't get mad at her and just told her to help me wash the sheets.

After that I was finished with the situation and sent her on her way with 2500. It was about 3 am by this time. On one hand I wanted to fault her for working while on the rag (or at least mentioning it prior) but it it what it is. Actually she was so cute that now I regret not getting her contact. She definitely owes me one.

What's your guys' take on this one?

Report for night #2 at LA Cafe coming up.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2366548]First post!

Phew, just spent the last few days reading back 80 pages which dates back about a year. Some good information in there, but also about 20% dedicated to SIM card talk.

Anyways just thought I would contribute a little report on my trip last month. Stayed at Red planet in Malate for 2 nights, great location, hotel nice and clean. About 2000 PHP / night.

1st night:

Trip was with a Japanese coworker (I am working in a Japanese multinational), and we spent some time in Pattaya and Bangkok before arriving in Manila. After showering headed to Robinson's mall for some food where we were approached pretty quickly by a momma-san who asked if we were interested in a girl she pointed out in the distance. We were totally not ready for action yet (most of our nights started around 2 am in Thailand, and it was about 6 pm now). But, the girl was cute! Thin, short, with a big ass, really long luscious black hair down to her ass, and she looked barely legal (later confirmed 26). My type. A little cold, or nervous, but no problem. Upon asking the price, Momma was about to say 3 but then stuttered and said 2500 for 3 hours. After dealing with Bangkok prices me and my buddy looked at each other almost in disbelief. The cheap side in me wanted to negotiate but I find sometimes that kills momentum and the price was right for us anyways.

I took her, and Momma-san brought a couple girls around for my picky friend, who settled on a girl with those fashionable big glasses, big ass and braces. Her best point was how down to earth and friendly she was. Both girls were seriously cute, and at least did not come off as seasoned mercenaries. As we were leaving with them and walking away, we saw momma following us. She tried to ask for her cut (500) up front. We told her no, that we would give 2500 to the girls and that she could get it from them later. Momma protested. We held firm. We won.

The night was still young so we asked the girls if they wanted to get a drink and if they knew somewhere good. They were shy but agreed, and said there was a bar nearby but that it was "cheap" and seemed embarrassed about it. Cute.

Bar was certainly cheap, drank a lot, had a blast. Some of their mall friends came by. Good chemistry, conversation and laughs. Lack of language barrier is a big plus. Went to a nightclub for a bit before heading back to the hotel (by this time it was past midnight).

We hop into the shower, she's adamant about turning lights off so that its pitch black. Whatever. Take shower, asks if I have condom, I say I do. VERY passionate DFK, deep throat. Asks me to bang her in the shower, I say condoms are in the room. She says no condom needed. I say yes condom needed, let's go to the bed. Start banging on the bed, passionate and aggressive. Go through the various positions. Enjoying myself. Suddenly, overwhelming smell of blood. I turn on the lights, it's a war zone with blood all over the sheets. Girl has the look of a toddler who got caught out doing something bad. Couldn't get mad at her and just told her to help me wash the sheets.

After that I was finished with the situation and sent her on her way with 2500. It was about 3 am by this time. On one hand I wanted to fault her for working while on the rag (or at least mentioning it prior) but it it what it is. Actually she was so cute that now I regret not getting her contact. She definitely owes me one.

What's your guys' take on this one?

Report for night #2 at LA Cafe coming up.[/QUOTE]You should have gone down on her afterwards and earned the ISG Red Badge!

Did she want to leave at 3 am or you kicked her out? Not nice if you kicked her out in the early hours. Could be dangerous for her at that time with limited transportation and maybe headed for a crime infested home neighborhood.

Always get a cell number. Just in case.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2366548]Bar was certainly cheap, drank a lot, had a blast. Some of their mall friends came by.[/QUOTE]You did not get the name and location of this bar where freelancers hang out?

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2366548]On one hand I wanted to fault her for working while on the rag (or at least mentioning it prior) but it it what it is. Actually she was so cute that now I regret not getting her contact. She definitely owes me one.

What's your guys' take on this one?[/QUOTE]My take is that this shows the difference between the farm class of the Philippines and that of Thailand. Most guys have never had the experience of a Thai chick on her period because they have sense enough to put a sponge inside to soak up the blood. In PI bloody sheets is a recurring theme; so much that the hotels have a list of what you have to pay when it happens.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2366548]First post! What's your guys' take on this one? [/QUOTE]My take is, WELCOME TO THE PI! More than any other country in Asia, this is where you are most likely to shag girl on her mens or just after. Fortunately, you will live! Ha Ha. And next time, keep the lights on. I knew something was awry as I was reading your post and a big warning sign started flashing in my mind about the lights. When a girl insists on pitch black it means she wants to hide something. I immediately think a dick or something worse even like genital warts. That's why I insist that the lights must always be on. Just remember, however, that there is no clue ahead of time when a girl thinks she is over her mens, but you both discover a drop or two of blood on the sheets or on your condom (dick) afterwards. This latter scenario occurs more often than a full flow. But Mr. E is absolutely right. This sort of thing very, very rarely happens in Thailand.

The bottom line is the girl should have told you she was on her mens as she knew her situation and secondarily she was still willing to shag you bareback. Not good! Maybe aim a little higher next time and pick up a Go Go girl instead. But great report. I enjoyed reading it.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2361803]Annoying Grab will not always alow you to establish an account before you arrive in country.....[/QUOTE]It also does not allow you to log on in a country where they are not active to check GrabPay balance or top up. AKA "cash in" in Grab speak.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2366647]M

When a girl insists on pitch black it means she wants to hide something. I immediately think a dick or something worse even like genital warts. That's why I insist that the lights must always be on.
But great report. I enjoyed reading it.[/QUOTE]I also got that impeding doom feeling reading the FR.

The other issue about men is when they tell you and say 'I am on the rag but it is OK you shag my ass instead' - that is a huge red flag as = LB usually.

DG. I know a few who have that badge but are real perverts unless like gentleman like myself LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2366625]You did not get the name and location of this bar where freelancers hang out?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately no. It's more of an eatery with tables, open air shack style. Seemed to be very popular with local flips, drinking San Migs chilled in buckets.

Very close to Robinsons, and the club that we went to after, XXYZ or something like that (Loaded to the tits with freelancers, and beers only 150 pesos!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2366612]You should have gone down on her afterwards and earned the ISG Red Badge!

Did she want to leave at 3 am or you kicked her out? Not nice if you kicked her out in the early hours. Could be dangerous for her at that time with limited transportation and maybe headed for a crime infested home neighborhood.

Always get a cell number. Just in case.[/QUOTE]Hahaha unfortunately I'm quite a wimp when it comes to the Brown Yellow or Red Badges. As soon as I smelled the iron it was over for me.

Yeah the way I phrased it sounded like that, but actually after cleaning up the crime scene I let her know she could stay if she wanted. But she went with her friend (who was with mine) anyways.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2366647]My take is, WELCOME TO THE PI!

The bottom line is the girl should have told you she was on her mens as she knew her situation and secondarily she was still willing to shag you bareback. Not good! Maybe aim a little higher next time and pick up a Go Go girl instead. But great report. I enjoyed reading it.[/QUOTE]Thanks! All in all the other parts of the night were good fun so it wasn't a complete bust. And yeah I am so glad that I rubbered up.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2360320]Just planning my next trip and I will have 12 hours to kill in Manila before heading home. I was thinking of getting a cheap hotel near the airport to dump my bags and then going to Flight 168 massage parlour.

Could someone please advise me if they provide just a massage and HJ here or is this a full service joint? In any case, is it a worthwhile experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]There is a baggage check in terminal 3 behind Burger King on ground floor. 300 pesos for. A few hours. You don't need a room as you will get a good cleaning at 168.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2366666]It also does not allow you to log on in a country where they are not active to check GrabPay balance or top up. AKA "cash in" in Grab speak.[/QUOTE]I never have any balance, I always pay the driver cash, plus tip.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2366548]First post!
What's your guys' take on this one?
[/QUOTE]Unless your absolutely sure, always use a towel or two, they're easier to clean than the sheets.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2366548]After that I was finished with the situation and sent her on her way with 2500. It was about 3 am by this time. On one hand I wanted to fault her for working while on the rag (or at least mentioning it prior) but it it what it is. Actually she was so cute that now I regret not getting her contact. She definitely owes me one.[/QUOTE]The girl got her money, the mamasan got her cut. Business goes on. That you were disappointed is of no interest to them.

[QUOTE=JcFromNz;2367191]I never have any balance, I always pay the driver cash, plus tip.[/QUOTE]If you use GrabPay you get more points and get to a higher status quicker.

That results in getting your ride requests prioritized.

Also when you send a girl home on Grab you can use your account and not have to worry about giving additional for the ride.

You know, I go back and visit and I have my main girl and a few girls on the side as well, when I'm not with her. I'm sure you all know the routine.

She's very Catholic and it is a real struggle to try to get her to do more than vanilla sex. She seems to be under the impression that blowjobs are for working girls, and since our relationship is basically freelance, and that means she's not a working girl.

I don't attempt to unravel the backflips she does to justify our relationship. But I could use a blowjob once in a while.

What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]You know, I go back and visit and I have my main girl and a few girls on the side as well, when I'm not with her. I'm sure you all know the routine.

She's very Catholic and it is a real struggle to try to get her to do more than vanilla sex. She seems to be under the impression that blowjobs are for working girls, and since our relationship is basically freelance, and that means she's not a working girl.

I don't attempt to unravel the backflips she does to justify our relationship. But I could use a blowjob once in a while.

What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]Replace with different girl who does what you want. Not rocket science.

[QUOTE=RollAides;2367833]Replace with different girl who does what you want. Not rocket science.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]What. You want me to bring this girl directly to your hotel? Do I get a commission?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=2366838&viewfull=1#post2366838[/URL]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2367867]What. You want me to bring this girl directly to your hotel? Do I get a commission?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=2366838&viewfull=1#post2366838[/URL][/QUOTE]You pimpin' now Westie? Buy low sell high LOL.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]Put on [URL]Redtube.com[/URL] and find a good blowjob clip. Put it on with her and ask her to try that.

Other than that, just ask he to lick it a bit.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]You know, I go back and visit and I have my main girl and a few girls on the side as well, when I'm not with her. I'm sure you all know the routine.

She's very Catholic and it is a real struggle to try to get her to do more than vanilla sex. She seems to be under the impression that blowjobs are for working girls, and since our relationship is basically freelance, and that means she's not a working girl.

I don't attempt to unravel the backflips she does to justify our relationship. But I could use a blowjob once in a while.

What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]She is saving the blowjobs for her Filipino boyfriend, who is a circumcised Catholic. That way she can tell him that she does not do the real nasty sex with you the foreign monger. Holding back some of the nastier sex acts from you allows her to feel that she is not really cheating on her Pinoy sweetheart, and it soothes his ego when she brings him your money.

What can you do for a blowjob? Replace her with a girl who fucks and sucks without holding anything back. Your indulgence of her Filipina logic is admirable but mistaken. You can bet your last peso that she sucks the brown off her Pinoy's dick.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]Failing the usual routes as suggested you could do what someone (Irish) I knew from the Middle East did as his 'party trick' he BBBJ himself. Very sad but very true LOL.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]
What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]Tequila! Buy a good quality Anejo. It will work like a charm. But if it doesn't it is time to go out and find another girl or girls.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]You know, I go back and visit and I have my main girl and a few girls on the side as well, when I'm not with her. I'm sure you all know the routine.
She's very Catholic and it is a real struggle to try to get her to do more than vanilla sex. She seems to be under the impression that blowjobs are for working girls, and since our relationship is basically freelance, and that means she's not a working girl.
I don't attempt to unravel the backflips she does to justify our relationship. But I could use a blowjob once in a while.
What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]Are you in some way committed to this girl? Would you keep dining at a restaurant who won't cook your steak the way you like?

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2367962]She is saving the blowjobs for her Filipino boyfriend, k.[/QUOTE]This is quite possibly true. I have been with a girl for a while now and she was recently approached by a local boy who knows she has a western BF. He said that he wanted to be her local BF and I could be here western one. What kind of nutter accepts sharing a girl. Maybe he just wants the sex, maybe he is hoping to get some of her pesos. Sick if you ask me.

I met a Philly girl who didn't like to go down. I would spend ages on her. I would watch a movie on my phone while I was down there. I would just put my head between her legs and lie there and watch a movie or whatever, sometimes not even licking. Then I asked her to lie there and play with her phone while she pay down there just playing with her hand or maybe my dick resting against her cheek. Then she started to kiss it once in a while and eventually it went into her mouth. Now she will easily spend 45 minutes down there 5 days a week just watching a movie with me in her mouth or licking or whatever. She eventually decided that she wanted me to cum in her mouth once to see what it was like and when she saw my reaction to unloading in her mouth she loved it and now asks all the time if she can make me cum. She went from not wanting it to giving literally hours or oral every single week.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2367962]You can bet your last peso that she sucks the brown off her Pinoy's dick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2368019]someone (Irish) I knew from the Middle East did as his 'party trick' he BBBJ himself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewImage;2368088]Would you keep dining at a restaurant who won't cook your steak the way you like?[/QUOTE]Strel you're taking it hard on the chin here. They are even suggesting you BJ yourself. If you do, I would request you get us a pic.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2367395]You know, I go back and visit and I have my main girl and a few girls on the side as well, when I'm not with her. I'm sure you all know the routine.

She's very Catholic and it is a real struggle to try to get her to do more than vanilla sex. She seems to be under the impression that blowjobs are for working girls, and since our relationship is basically freelance, and that means she's not a working girl.

I don't attempt to unravel the backflips she does to justify our relationship. But I could use a blowjob once in a while.

What do I do to get a blowjob once in a while?[/QUOTE]If there's something you particularly like about this girl, keep fucking her and get your blowjobs elsewhere. There are thousands of other girls that would suck you off within 5 minutes of you asking them.

If there is nothing special about your pinay and you're fucking her just because, replace her ASAP. You can bet your best dollar she would replace you ASAP if the pesos stopped flowing in.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2368179]If there's something you particularly like about this girl, keep fucking her and get your blowjobs elsewhere. There are thousands of other girls that would suck you off within 5 minutes of you asking them.

If there is nothing special about your pinay and you're fucking her just because, replace her ASAP. You can bet your best dollar she would replace you ASAP if the pesos stopped flowing in.[/QUOTE]Philippine girls are generally averse to deep French kissing and blow jobs. Acc. To girls I talked boys want straight sex and release. Other things like experimenting is introduced by mongers. While American girls can take shine off your chrome Asian girls are hardly ever into it. Even DATY is not liked but tolerated. Some girls wonder why westerners do it. BBJB are taught by brothel owners including anal rimming. Regular girls do not like to do it.

Like others suggested negotiate with girls before you take them. Forcing your GF to do it is not good if otherwise you are very happy with her.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2368260] blow jobs. Acc. To girls I talked boys want straight sex and release. Other things like experimenting is introduced by mongers. While American girls can take shine off your chrome Asian girls are hardly ever into it. Even DATY is not liked but tolerated. Regular girls do not like to do it..[/QUOTE]NMot my experience at all. Women have told me they love DATY. Viets immediately go down.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2368260]

BBJB are taught by brothel owners including anal rimming. Regular girls do not like to do it.

Lr.[/QUOTE]Or you teach her as I have taught many pinay on this and more LOL.

P.S. Some don't like BDSM until they try it and I always tell them try it 3 times before you tell me you hate it. Works most of the time.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2368019]Failing the usual routes as suggested you could do what someone (Irish) I knew from the Middle East did as his 'party trick' he BBBJ himself. Very sad but very true LOL.[/QUOTE]Was your friend from Nantucket, perhaps?

I once knew a man from Natucket, whose dick was so long he could suck it.

He said with a grin, as he wiped off his chin.

"If my ear was a see**t, I would fuck it".

[QUOTE=Sammon;2368260]Philippine girls are generally averse to deep French kissing and blow jobs. Acc. To girls I talked boys want straight sex and release. Other things like experimenting is introduced by mongers. While American girls can take shine off your chrome Asian girls are hardly ever into it. Even DATY is not liked but tolerated. Some girls wonder why westerners do it. BBJB are taught by brothel owners including anal rimming. Regular girls do not like to do it.

Like others suggested negotiate with girls before you take them. Forcing your GF to do it is not good if otherwise you are very happy with her.[/QUOTE]Completely the opposite.

Some of the wildest girls I've ever fucked are 'normal' pinays and korean girls who have never set foot in a brothel. They did everything from polishing my pole with their mouths, to BBBJ / CIM, anal, licking my creampie straight from their pussies, rimming, anal etc.

If a girl is too squirmish about these things and isn't willing to open up and explore, why waste time with her?

[QUOTE=RainMania;2368487]Completely the opposite.
....

If a girl is too squirmish about these things and isn't willing to open up and explore, why waste time with her?[/QUOTE]+1. I was ecstatic a couple of trips ago to arrive in Cebu to find a wave of deep throating had swept town. Over the next 7 to 10 days I only had one average BJ. All the rest were full depth face fucks.

If the OPs girl isn't keeping him happy, there are many who will.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2368268]NMot my experience at all. Women have told me they love DATY. Viets immediately go down.[/QUOTE]You want to get a girl going don't use your hands or cock use your tongue.

Next thing we will hear is that girls don't like being on top.

NI.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2368260]Philippine girls are generally averse to deep French kissing and blow jobs. Acc. To girls I talked boys want straight sex and release. Other things like experimenting is introduced by mongers. While American girls can take shine off your chrome Asian girls are hardly ever into it. Even DATY is not liked but tolerated. Some girls wonder why westerners do it. BBJB are taught by brothel owners including anal rimming. Regular girls do not like to do it............[/QUOTE]I'm not too sure about that but one thing I'm sure about is that no one sucks dick like an American girl.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2368260]Philippine girls are generally averse to deep French kissing and blow jobs. .....[/QUOTE]As with some others not my experience at all. I have only had a couple out of a couple hundred who would not willingly do both, most of the time without asking. The best BBBJ's I have had have been from pinas.

I hunt on Tinder, PL and SA for "regular girls" not the pro's and bar girls.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2369294]I hunt on Tinder, PL and SA for "regular girls" not the pro's and bar girls.[/QUOTE]Looking over SA today it appears many "regular girls" in the provinces are using it. In the USA SA typically lists very expensive, more educated, good looking babes. The province girls on SA look like the same girls I see on dating sites. Some downright Fugly. I would guess the rates for SA province girls are the same as street girls or maybe even better. Any price, quality, and dependability feed back from guys that have used it in the Phils?

I have a regular who likes to provide me with 3 somes and 4 somes. We were talking and I said that Iwould like a 5 some, me and 4 girls.

When she asked around about getting some girls, her friends wanted in on the action and we ended up having a 7 some. That was me and 6 girls. My regular is in her 40's and the other 5 girls were all in their 20's.

She had a source about getting a room at Solaire with a king-sized bed but that fell through at the last minute so we took a suite at Infinity Suites in Makati. It was 14 k for the night in a 3-bedroom suite, it was one of only 2 places I could find on Expedia that would allow that many people. (I did not want to sneak them into a place for fewer people and we could easily end up on the street that way.).

Check in was easy, they just collected and copied everyone's ID and acted like it was perfectly normal for a white guy in his 60's to check in with a harem of hotties. The look I got from a couple older expats in the lobby was almost worth the price of the room LOL.

Spent several hours fucking and sucking, managed to fuck all of them except for the one who just started her period, I came the first time in her mouth (I had seen and fucked her before.) Ordered pizza and watched a movie lying on the couch with 6 naked girls. I had a 12 hand massage.

They would not go for any girl on girl action, but the two biggest sets of tits were rubbed in my face and together with my tongue between while I was getting rode or blown.

Two of the girls were sisters and they did a tag team BBBJ.

Selected the two best fucks to sleep with in one of the king sized beds, fucked them both again before we slept then in the morning fucked one again while sucking the other's tits and when she came, I switched girls and blew my load the final time in the second girl while the first was playing with my balls.

The rest were awake by then and I had them all kneel in a line and went from one to the next getting a final BBBJ times 6. Didn't come as my balls were dry.

Cost was 14 k for the room plus 6 k each for a total of 50 k for about 16 hours. Pricey for a night but worth it to fulfill a couple fantasies, sisters and a major reverse gang bang harem style.

Not something I would do again, there just is not enough guy to keep 6 girls busy at the same time. I would just as soon get a smaller room and have 3 girls but about the same amount of fucking, just more per girl.

The girl that sets up these for me specifically asked that I not share her information, she said she has a small group of guys she takes care of and that she doesn't want to take any risk with her girls seeing strangers.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2369304]Looking over SA today it appears many "regular girls" in the provinces are using it. In the USA SA typically lists very expensive, more educated, good looking babes. The province girls on SA look like the same girls I see on dating sites. Some downright Fugly. I would guess the rates for SA province girls are the same as street girls or maybe even better. Any price, quality, and dependability feed back from guys that have used it in the Phils?[/QUOTE]Girls' accounts are free, they can get better listings with a premium account but even that is free if they use a college or university email account. I believe that the girls premium account just moves them ahead in the searches.

A couple years ago it was much like back home, better girls, many looking for longer term arrangements. As word has gotten around that this is a good source of dates more are attracted to the site and it risks becoming overcrowded with fuglies like PL, Tinder et al.

I have still found most of the top quality girls that I have had from there but like everything quality costs.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2369332]Girls' accounts are free, they can get better listings with a premium account but even that is free if they use a college or university email account. I believe that the girls premium account just moves them ahead in the searches.

A couple years ago it was much like back home, better girls, many looking for longer term arrangements. As word has gotten around that this is a good source of dates more are attracted to the site and it risks becoming overcrowded with fuglies like PL, Tinder et al.

I have still found most of the top quality girls that I have had from there but like everything quality costs.[/QUOTE]Hi KG, this post isn't directed at you.

I agree, the quality has gone downhill; but not just in the Philippines. And the prettier ones are expecting a lot. Almost US prices. Additionally, the ladyboys are starting to get involved in SA. Finally, not just in the Philippines, but there are a lot of profiles that want to be paid for a platonic relationship. Hmm. I'm going to pay you NOT to have sex with me? I'm going to pay you while your slacker BF fucks you? I'm going to pay you to listen to your problems and drama?

I wouldn't pay for a subscription unless there were 3-4 girls you really want to meet. Just realize that everyone else wants to meet those 3-4 girls, as well. The requirement of a $90/ month subscription just to message a girl makes the male membership more exclusive; the girls know this and charge as such.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2369472]Hi KG, this post isn't directed at you.

I agree, the quality has gone downhill; but not just in the Philippines. And the prettier ones are expecting a lot. Almost US prices. Additionally, the ladyboys are starting to get involved in SA. Finally, not just in the Philippines, but there are a lot of profiles that want to be paid for a platonic relationship. Hmm. I'm going to pay you NOT to have sex with me? I'm going to pay you while your slacker BF fucks you? I'm going to pay you to listen to your problems and drama?

I wouldn't pay for a subscription unless there were 3-4 girls you really want to meet. Just realize that everyone else wants to meet those 3-4 girls, as well. The requirement of a $90/ month subscription just to message a girl makes the male membership more exclusive; the girls know this and charge as such.[/QUOTE]I agree, while there are still quality girls there, they are asking for more and more. I was home this summer and the same is happening there, in 2015 and 16 I had really good hunting there in Canada, now lots of girls asking $500 just for first meeting with sex off the table initially.

I will be letting my membership lapse, (I get 3 months at a time) as I can fill my bed from Tinder and with the regulars I have connected with over the last 2 years here.

Hi gents,

I have a layover in manila next month so I'm wondering how the action is in Edsa vs Makati these days. Is it worth fighting afternoon traffic to go to Makati or is it advisable to just ser what is available in Edsa sonce its closer to the airport. Haven't seen much chatter about Edsa area lately so little unclear what is the best course of action.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2369630]I agree, while there are still quality girls there, they are asking for more and more. I was home this summer and the same is happening there, in 2015 and 16 I had really good hunting there in Canada, now lots of girls asking $500 just for first meeting with sex off the table initially.

I will be letting my membership lapse, (I get 3 months at a time) as I can fill my bed from Tinder and with the regulars I have connected with over the last 2 years here.[/QUOTE]An SA girl in London last year expected 600 GBP for (a very expensive) dinner, only. I can't imagine being wealthy enough to be ok with that, but apparently a lot of Londoners are.

I have a local SA girl about 90 minutes away who drives down to me for an afternoon of fun, $400 including 100 for her gas and travel time. 20 years old, petite and slim, a scholarship student and she loves getting dirty. You'll note my absence from the Philippines for the last 8 months. Food and traffic are better here. The only thing I miss are the multiple girls I can bed in Manila.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2369304]Looking over SA today it appears many "regular girls" in the provinces are using it. In the USA SA typically lists very expensive, more educated, good looking babes. The province girls on SA look like the same girls I see on dating sites. Some downright Fugly. I would guess the rates for SA province girls are the same as street girls or maybe even better. Any price, quality, and dependability feed back from guys that have used it in the Phils?[/QUOTE]I have been using Seeking in the west. For sure there are a heap of messages from average girls and also from Filipinas in the pH. My local experiences have been excellent, in a upper class that I haven't experienced on Tinder. As a married guy Tinder has some dangers for me which probably reduces my options there.

For Seeking I am specific as to my needs and requirements. Each time has been 3-5 days until I found exactly what I was hoping.

PP.

[QUOTE=LiveFree25;2369651]Hi gents,

I have a layover in manila next month so I'm wondering how the action is in Edsa vs Makati these days. Is it worth fighting afternoon traffic to go to Makati or is it advisable to just ser what is available in Edsa sonce its closer to the airport. Haven't seen much chatter about Edsa area lately so little unclear what is the best course of action.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Read post #17449. Same answer to same question.

Don’t forget to file a report.

[QUOTE=LiveFree25;2369651]Hi gents,

I have a layover in manila next month so I'm wondering how the action is in Edsa vs Makati these days. Is it worth fighting afternoon traffic to go to Makati or is it advisable to just ser what is available in Edsa sonce its closer to the airport. Haven't seen much chatter about Edsa area lately so little unclear what is the best course of action.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]If you have layover atleast 2 days, get a hotel in malate near Roberson mall.

Google map and walk towards LA cafe. Everyone of them are ready to go with you.

This is quickest and effective.

[QUOTE=LiveFree25;2369651]Hi gents,

I have a layover in manila next month so I'm wondering how the action is in Edsa vs Makati these days. Is it worth fighting afternoon traffic to go to Makati or is it advisable to just ser what is available in Edsa sonce its closer to the airport. Haven't seen much chatter about Edsa area lately so little unclear what is the best course of action.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I haven't been to Manila since February but EDSA should keep you entertained and supply what you are looking for, for one night. Try to get there around 7 for the best selection. After 10-midnight, most of the pretty girls will give you sloppy seconds.

Give us an update if you go there, please.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2370250]I haven't been to Manila since February but EDSA should keep you entertained and supply what you are looking for, for one night. Try to get there around 7 for the best selection. After 10-midnight, most of the pretty girls will give you sloppy seconds.

Give us an update if you go there, please.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I'm a noobie so I appreciate the info. I will definitely post a report after my journey.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2370190]If you have layover atleast 2 days, get a hotel in malate near Roberson mall.

Google map and walk towards LA cafe. Everyone of them are ready to go with you.

This is quickest and effective.[/QUOTE]Malate hotels are far away. Get a hotel in Ermita for walking distance to LACafe. Best western is 3 minutes walk in the same road. Good hotel with included breakfast. Book for 2.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2370353]Malate hotels are far away. Get a hotel in Ermita for walking distance to LACafe. Best western is 3 minutes walk in the same road. Good hotel with included breakfast. Book for 2.[/QUOTE]Best Western is an okay choice, but there are hotels in Malate that are closer. Apologies for posting this numerous times previously: the dividing line between Ermita and Malate is Pedro Gil. Thus New World Hotel (2 blocks from LA Cafe) is in Malate. Other Malate hotels and their distance from LA Cafe include: Las Palmas (3), Executive (3 1/2), Riviera Mansion (3 1/2), Palm Grove (4), Rothman (4 1/2), and Eurotel (5 1/2). All are easy walking distance, and the walk takes you past various restaurants and convenience stores. Eurotel is directly across Pedro Gil from Robinson's Place. In Ermita the closest hotel is Boulevard Mansion (1 1/2 blocks), then Duck Inn (4) and Best Western (4). There are numerous other Malate hotels at greater distance. If proximity to Robinson's Place is important, most of the Malate hotels I named are closer than those in Ermita. Quality varies among these hotels, and none are exactly high-end. You should go on one of the hotel sites like Agoda and check out customer ratings and remarks. Sam is correct that you should book for two, and this applies to all these hotels. This probably belongs in the Manila Hotels thread, but I'm to lazy to copy and past it all.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2370429]Best Western is an okay choice, but there are hotels in Malate that are closer. Apologies for posting this numerous times previously: the dividing line between Ermita and Malate is Pedro Gil. Thus New World Hotel (2 blocks from LA Cafe) is in Malate. Other Malate hotels and their distance from LA Cafe include: Las Palmas (3), Executive (3 1/2), Riviera Mansion (3 1/2), Palm Grove (4), Rothman (4 1/2), and Eurotel (5 1/2). All are easy walking distance, and the walk takes you past various restaurants and convenience stores. Eurotel is directly across Pedro Gil from Robinson's Place. In Ermita the closest hotel is Boulevard Mansion (1 1/2 blocks), then Duck Inn (4) and Best Western (4). There are numerous other Malate hotels at greater distance. If proximity to Robinson's Place is important, most of the Malate hotels I named are closer than those in Ermita. Quality varies among these hotels, and none are exactly high-end. You should go on one of the hotel sites like Agoda and check out customer ratings and remarks. Sam is correct that you should book for two, and this applies to all these hotels. This probably belongs in the Manila Hotels thread, but I'm to lazy to copy and past it all.[/QUOTE]Going in Dec. Staying Regency Grand. Paid 37 US. Looks ok to me for short time. Quick walk to Robinson's.

Any feedback?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2370454]Going in Dec. Staying Regency Grand. Paid 37 US. Looks ok to me for short time. Quick walk to Robinson's.

Any feedback?[/QUOTE]I've stayed there a couple times. It's in a highrise of about 40 floors called Birch Tower, about six or eight years old; mostly condos in addition to three separate hotel operations that have two or three floors each. There's a pool, but it is mostly covered, and WC has reported that the water is not very warm.

The units I have been in are long and narrow condo-like units. Decent bathroom along a hallway, then a small kitchenette with fridge and maybe a microwave. Then a queen bed without much space around it, but balcony opens off the bedroom area. Bed was comfortable and aircon dependable. View toward Manila Bay is more expensive, but those on the North and South have a good view of the city.

One time I was there wifi was not dependable. They claimed they contract it out and bad weather was playing havoc. Except there was wifi in the little ground floor cafe, so I'm not sure I believe them. When I was there many occupants in condo units were either Middle Easterners or Koreans, many of them trafficking in and out with scantily clad women, some with more tats than skin. Four elevators, but they sometimes shut off one or two, and wait can be a pain in the ass.

It's passable, especially for the price. It's on J. Bocobo, technically in Malate, half a block from Robinsons's, very near Eurotel. 5 1/2 blocks to LA Cafe, about the same to G-Point, and some KTVs are also in the area.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2370528]I've stayed there a couple times. It's in a highrise of about 40 floors called Birch Tower, about six or eight years old; mostly condos in addition to three separate hotel operations have a good view of the city.

Four elevators, but they sometimes shut off one or two, and wait can be a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]I stayed in an airbnb there at the end of November. Every single thing is exactly as you have described it. I think I was on the 35th floor. I remembered asking my girlfriend how the fuck they only have 4 elevators for a building this tall. And like you said, they only use 3 at a time. I went into one of the hotel operations to ask about the rooms. They took us up to see a few. They were much more basic and more expensive than the airbnb that I was staying in.

Oh, and your guest has to turn in their ID, get processed, take a picture, and get a visitor's badge to get past the front desk. There is a turnstyle that you have to scan the badge on to get to the elevators. You have to do it upon arrival as well and they keep your passport or ID until you check out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2370540]Oh, and your guest has to turn in their ID, get processed, take a picture, and get a visitor's badge to get past the front desk. There is a turnstyle that you have to scan the badge on to get to the elevators. You have to do it upon arrival as well and they keep your passport or ID until you check out.[/QUOTE]This is a change since I was last there about two years ago. Grand Regency has its check-in counter to the left inside the door, right alongside the cafe. Another hotel operation, JRR Grand, has its counter to the right as you come in, and another outfit, Birch Condotel, is in the back of the first floor, or maybe up a flight of stairs from the first floor. The turnstile thing is new, because, after my initial check-in, my guests and I we were able to walk on in as though we owned the place. I guess privacy is losing out to security.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2370693]This is a change since I was last there about two years ago. Grand Regency has its check-in counter to the left inside the door, right alongside the cafe. Another hotel operation, JRR Grand, has its counter to the right as you come in, and another outfit, Birch Condotel, is in the back of the first floor, or maybe up a flight of stairs from the first floor. The turnstile thing is new, because, after my initial check-in, my guests and I we were able to walk on in as though we owned the place. I guess privacy is losing out to security.[/QUOTE]I suppose the hassle is worth the security aspect. I suppose.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2370429]Best Western is an okay choice, but there are hotels in Malate that are closer. Apologies for posting this numerous times previously: the dividing line between Ermita and Malate is Pedro Gil. Thus New World Hotel (2 blocks from LA Cafe) is in Malate. Other Malate hotels and their distance from LA Cafe include: Las Palmas (3), Executive (3 1/2), Riviera Mansion (3 1/2), Palm Grove (4), Rothman (4 1/2), and Eurotel (5 1/2). All are easy walking distance, and the walk takes you past various restaurants and convenience stores. Eurotel is directly across Pedro Gil from Robinson's Place. In Ermita the closest hotel is Boulevard Mansion (1 1/2 blocks), then Duck Inn (4) and Best Western (4). There are numerous other Malate hotels at greater distance. If proximity to Robinson's Place is important, most of the Malate hotels I named are closer than those in Ermita. Quality varies among these hotels, and none are exactly high-end. You should go on one of the hotel sites like Agoda and check out customer ratings and remarks. Sam is correct that you should book for two, and this applies to all these hotels. This probably belongs in the Manila Hotels thread, but I'm to lazy to copy and past it all.[/QUOTE]One of the better hotels in this area is the famous Diamond Hotel which is 5 star (Phillipines standard). It's a useful landmark if you are walking up and down Roxas Boulevard on a hot day looking for a root. It's about 250 metres from LA Cafe if you head west. There are regular specials on line and you can often get a room for $140. If you pay a few dollars more, you can access the club floor. If you have a late flight that night, you can hang out in the executive lounge after checking out, eat their free food, skol down a few g&t's and type up a few forum reports until it's time to go. I've asked for a late check out for 1. 30 pm, gone to LA Cafe at 12.00 noon, picked up a hooker, taken her back to the room and squeezed in a last minute, final root before leaving.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2370540]Oh, and your guest has to turn in their ID, get processed, take a picture, and get a visitor's badge to get past the front desk. There is a turnstyle that you have to scan the badge on to get to the elevators. You have to do it upon arrival as well and they keep your passport or ID until you check out.[/QUOTE]If you balk about them keeping your passport, they will ask you for a p300 deposit and you get to keep the passport. They give the 300 back when you check out of your unit and turn in the security pass. Soapy my wifi speeds were always good enough for streaming in any unit. The largest downside is the elevators (compare to similar waits in Makati's Citadel Inn on Burgos St). From about 4-8 pm, even with all 4 elevators operating, the crowds outside the elevators mean 10 minute waits to get up to your unit. Coming down from floor 35 might also be no fun, as it might stop at 13 different floors on the way down. Studios are 22 square meters (that includes the balcony, the interior is 20 sq meters), relatively a tight fit.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2370788]If you balk about them keeping your passport, they will ask you for a p300 deposit and you get to keep the passport. ...t.[/QUOTE]I have a couple expired driver license from home that I will leave with security. So far they have never objected to that. Now if they lose my ID it is not much of a loss.

Security anywhere has never lost an ID but one place put my ID with the tag from another person's ID and they had to search for about 30 minutes, only found it when the other person returned and they went to give her my Canadian DL.

They kept wanting to serve the people behind me before returning to look for my ID, I was pretty firm that first come first served and any fall out for the line taking too long was not my concern. Did end up with one person dedicated to looking for it.

Against the advice of a Japanese guy we met at the casino who described LA Cafe girls as "the worst", my friend and I dropped by after a long gambling session. Time was about 1 am.

Japanese guy was right, although as most people say cuties can be found there. Although I'm not sure if it looks that way because everything is relative and the fuglies make any decent looking girl stand out.

The server who led us to our seats was a real *****. I right away called her out on her crappy attitude and asked her "why are you angry? To which she cracked a small genuine smile before returning to bad face. Later on I would find she harassed my friend for a "ladies drink", which my he ignored but that she put it on the tab anyways. Friend just went "fuck it" and paid.

Anyways I took a skinny young looking girl with grey contact lenses that looked good on her. Almost looked part Indian. My friend, I don't know what the hell is wrong with him, took this savage 40 plus year old with a stanking breath because she looked like some famous Japanese celebrity. The girl brings her own pool cue there, so she must go a lot. They asked 3000 K for short time, and in hindsight it was probably dumb not to negotiate either for longtime for that price of 2 k for short-time but we were on Thailand prices so it seemed more trouble than worth at the time.

Before we left stank breath bitched at us about how the rule was we need to buy a ladies drink for the ladies, or else LA cafe will charge the girl for a drink. I pointed out that stank breath already had drinks ordered. She said okay just buy grey eyes a drink. I asked an army guy at the next table and he said the policy that the girls either have to buy one drink or have one bought for them during their night is true, but that I was under no obligation to buy one for her. Whatever, got her the drink which she didn't even drink and we left.

Walking back to the hotel stank breath was really getting on my nerves, and even my girl I noticed she had kindof a raspy breath which made he seem a little older and worn out than I liked and her clothing was kind of bargain skank style. Add that to the fact that Karaoke girls were leaving their shifts and looked mighty tempting, I was quite regretting my decision as I felt I had picked up a worn out LA cafe broad. I also had previous period girl experience the night before.

Back in the hotel, well, turns out contacts was an incredible F. After riding me I take her to the corner of the bed and pound mish. Her eyes roll back and she basically gives herself up to me to use, as if she were in overwhelming pleasure that just took control of her body. Choking, slapping, all OK. If acting, A plus performance. Finish with cum on tummy, how I like it. Enthusiastic all the way through and really friendly even after. Stuck around for a bit and chatted. Can't remember exactly but I think her age was around 23 (at least according to flimsy PH ID). All in all worth the 3 K but my next trip I will certainly be negotiating.

By the way, headed to Manila again in a couple months (by chance). Anyone have experience with club freelancers and could give me an idea of price ranges and good places to go?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2370540]I stayed in an airbnb there at the end of November. Every single thing is exactly as you have described it. I think I was on the 35th floor. I remembered asking my girlfriend how the fuck they only have 4 elevators for a building this tall. And like you said, they only use 3 at a time. I went into one of the hotel operations to ask about the rooms. They took us up to see a few. They were much more basic and more expensive than the airbnb that I was staying in.

Oh, and your guest has to turn in their ID, get processed, take a picture, and get a visitor's badge to get past the front desk. There is a turnstyle that you have to scan the badge on to get to the elevators. You have to do it upon arrival as well and they keep your passport or ID until you check out.[/QUOTE]I always stay at Gramercy in Makati. Yes, I have to get my own ID done along with a photograph and copy of passport / other identity document. Not once has anyone asked for the identity cards of the myriad of girls I have brought back, No one even as much blinks.

Prices in the range of $50 - $70 a night, I usually get a room on level 60 or above.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2371024]I always stay at Gramercy in Makati. Yes, I have to get my own ID done along with a photograph and copy of passport / other identity document. Not once has anyone asked for the identity cards of the myriad of girls I have brought back, No one even as much blinks.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Have stayed Gram several times. Also Milano and Knightsbridge. Front door security takes my girl's eye dee every single time.

In Cebu at a recent condo stay, security made me sign a release form before letting my non-eye-dee'd girl into the elevator (she is a regular, lost her eye dee, we replaced it).

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2370962]Before we left stank breath bitched at us about how the rule was we need to buy a ladies drink for the ladies, or else LA cafe will charge the girl for a drink.[/QUOTE]Once again, just let the chick leave first then you come out a couple of minutes after to avoid that drink stuff. Hell the chicks are the ones that taught the trick to me. They were really trying to fuck you over if they tried to make you buy them drinks AND pay 3000 ST. And please don't give them hoes 3000 pesos again, not even for Long Time. Although I have never given that much, I would say 2500 max for LT.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2370812]I have a couple expired driver license from home that I will leave with security. So far they have never objected to that. Now if they lose my ID it is not much of a loss.

Security anywhere has never lost an ID but one place put my ID with the tag from another person's ID and they had to search for about 30 minutes, only found it when the other person returned and they went to give her my Canadian DL.

They kept wanting to serve the people behind me before returning to look for my ID, I was pretty firm that first come first served and any fall out for the line taking too long was not my concern. Did end up with one person dedicated to looking for it.[/QUOTE]One hotel kept my ID and I forgot to collect it when I checked out. I discovered the missing passport when I was in the taxi on the way to the airport. I called and made the hotel staff bring it to me in a taxi because I didn't have time for the round trip. Luckily the hotel's number as on their receipt. (keep your receipts). Stressful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2371144]Once again, just let the chick leave first then you come out a couple of minutes after to avoid that drink stuff. Hell the chicks are the ones that taught the trick to me. They were really trying to fuck you over if they tried to make you buy them drinks AND pay 3000 ST. And please don't give them hoes 3000 pesos again, not even for Long Time. Although I have never given that much, I would say 2500 max for LT.[/QUOTE]Another piece of advice is do not buy any drinks for the girls. They charge double as lady drinks. If a girl asks for a drink and if you want to buy just give her the money under the table. If she buys herself it is cheaper. Another trick is get the phone number after negotiations and wait at a convenient point. Some of those mamasan are downright mercenary although they should not act as mamasan. Only Koreans use them to get them girls but then they are big spenders.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2371133]Interesting. Have stayed Gram several times. Also Milano and Knightsbridge. Front door security takes my girl's eye dee every single time.[/QUOTE]Surprising indeed. When you get to the front doors, you enter from the left door (facing the building), there is usually one or sometimes two guys standing there who do nothing but smile and open the door. Then in the lobby there is that ugly circular reception area, which is manned by 1 - 4 staff depending on time of the day. They don't even bother to look. You simply walk past to the right and duck into the elevator lobby. But I always fetch the girls myself. I never allow them to walk into Gramercy unaccompanied. I usually tend to meet them across the street at 7/11 and walk back with them. That allows me to buy some snacks / food for the cutie, and they are always hungry.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2370962]The server who led us to our seats was a real *****. I right away called her out on her crappy attitude and asked her "why are you angry? To which she cracked a small genuine smile before returning to bad face. Later on I would find she harassed my friend for a "ladies drink", which my he ignored but that she put it on the tab anyways. Friend just went "fuck it" and paid.[/QUOTE]The gimmicks around drinks and attitudes of some servers are annoying. But some of the attitudes may be understandable. During slow business hours I have inquired about how much servers are paid. Both they and p4 ps have advised me that LAC servers' pay is about half what retail clerks in the stores are paid, presumably because owners assume they'll get rich on tips. Another annoying practice is when your server circles back with a bottle of some booze and tells you the managers insist that they sell at least five shots or mixed drinks of the particular booze during their shift. I'm pretty sure that stuff is put on them by the managers.

Another indicator of the working conditions: it takes forever to get your server back to settle your bill when you want to leave. I'm pretty sure that they're not making themselves hard to find intentionally; after all, much of their takehome depends on the tips from customers, which they don't score until the customer settles the bill. Having tried to chase down servers under these circumstances, I have usually found them running around serving drinks or collecting from other customers. In other words, when it's busy, they're running their asses off.

More than 20% of Filipinos live in poverty. Within Southeast Asia, only Laos and Myanmar are worse. Yet the Philippines has one of the fastest growing economies in the world; problem is, during the last couple decades of economic growth the Philippines is one of about a half dozen countries in which income inequality is getting worse. What does this have to do with finding horizontal talent in the bars of the Philippines? Servers accept these awful working conditions because they don't have alternatives; likewise with our p4 ps. If you're expecting smiles and thankyous from servers or p4 ps in the Philippines, it's better not to expect Western standards of hospitality.

Don't know what country you're from, but as a Yank contrast, how often do we get smiles and thankyous at Walmart or McDonalds?

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2371148]One hotel kept my ID and I forgot to collect it when I checked out. I discovered the missing passport when I was in the taxi on the way to the airport. I called and made the hotel staff bring it to me in a taxi because I didn't have time for the round trip. Luckily the hotel's number as on their receipt. (keep your receipts). Stressful.[/QUOTE]

Grab Express could also have worked well in this case. They will bring stuff by motorcycle so it can zip through traffic quickly.

I have used them a couple times for sending small packages and it is quick and cheap.

I also would never let anyone keep my passport. The only exception would be if it was actually needed for getting a visa or other reason that required a passport to be surrendered, at a hotel they can take a photocopy or I would give them a DL or something that I could survive without in case it went missing.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2371193]The gimmicks around drinks and attitudes of some servers are annoying. But some of the attitudes may be understandable...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the perspective. It's something I knew but we all need reminding from time to time. I've worked some service jobs back in the day and my attitude was probably less than stellar at times.

Though, I do believe we all have our crosses to bear and regardless of our situations we should strive to not be venomous to people. Or maybe if there's one group of people it is justified to despise it is degenerate punters! But, I for one think its admirable for people with crummy jobs to be bright and friendly, and I have seen a lot of that in the US.

Reminds of a good Louis CK quote - "do your job. Because its your job. Because you're the person standing there, doing that thing. So just do it! Do the shit out of it!

All that being said, I digress. I'll concede that it's probably just as bad to be complaining about bad service as it is to give it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2371144]Once again, just let the chick leave first then you come out a couple of minutes after to avoid that drink stuff. Hell the chicks are the ones that taught the trick to me. They were really trying to fuck you over if they tried to make you buy them drinks AND pay 3000 ST. And please don't give them hoes 3000 pesos again, not even for Long Time. Although I have never given that much, I would say 2500 max for LT.[/QUOTE]Noted.

Any thoughts on market prices for EDSA? Will be headed there next month.

I came up with a process that worked really well, and I thought I should give back to the community.

I coordinated with a girlfriend I already had in Manila. Through the web, I found a girl willing to freelance and go on vacation with me as long as I took care of her.

I got us a two bedroom AirBNB which we turned into a party house. She had her room and I had mine. We both picked freelance up girls. I was able to use her skill with Tagalog to negotiate better prices. We took girls home and had threesomes on most nights of the week. We had a lot of luck, especially at L. A. Cafe.

Even better, my girl had a few contacts that wanted to get a piece of a foreigner, and I was happy to oblige them.

I kept the fridge stocked with San Mig. Light, ordered pizza, and we had a party with multiple beautiful women.

I highly recommend this method if you're staying in Manila since the traditional bargirl scene is quite weak and expensive compared to Angeles. If you go to Manila, it's about the freelance scene. Much easier on the wallet.

10/10 would do again.

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2371780]Noted.

Any thoughts on market prices for EDSA? Will be headed there next month.[/QUOTE]I have not stepped inside EDSA in over 2 years but I doubt prices would have changed much. Drinks are 250 p for the girls. 1950 p barfine. Girls expect around 3000 p for LT (overnight, they will usually hang around till late morning). Quality is always a hit and miss. Popular bars inside are Cotton Club, Firehouse, Bullets & Arrows, Pitstop. There are also a couple of videoke bars. I have never entered those, they are usually a rip off.

In the past girls would help you dodge the barfine by slipping their contact number to you, you could then contact them and wait at a convenient spot. They would come over after they finish work, which is usually very late. Dunno if that still works. This MO does not work at Burgos bars though, unless you know the girl for a while and she then might come over in the afternoon before starting work in the evening.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2371200]Grab Express could also have worked well in this case. They will bring stuff by motorcycle so it can zip through traffic quickly.

I have used them a couple times for sending small packages and it is quick and cheap..[/QUOTE]For a while I though that Grab stopped carrying just parcels without passengers. It turned out that dealers were able to use the Grab service for a cheap and efficient distribution service.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2371973]I have not stepped inside EDSA in over 2 years but I doubt prices would have changed much. Drinks are 250 p for the girls. 1950 p barfine. Girls expect around 3000 p for LT (overnight, they will usually hang around till late morning). Quality is always a hit and miss. Popular bars inside are Cotton Club, Firehouse, Bullets & Arrows, Pitstop. There are also a couple of videoke bars. I have never entered those, they are usually a rip off.

In the past girls would help you dodge the barfine by slipping their contact number to you, you could then contact them and wait at a convenient spot. They would come over after they finish work, which is usually very late. Dunno if that still works. This MO does not work at Burgos bars though, unless you know the girl for a while and she then might come over in the afternoon before starting work in the evening.[/QUOTE]Prices have been up for some time now. Barfines are 2500 pesos. Girls want 3 K short time. Girls drink are 375? Something like that.

I'll be coming to the Philippines for the first time soon. I'm flying into Manila, staying for a week and a half, and flying back out from Manila. I plan to do some traveling through the country as well like to Cebu and the like.

Unfortunately, I'm on a budget, and I have a lot of social anxiety so the loud bar scene really makes me uncomfortable. I also am extremely allergic to alcohol.

I was hoping that you guys could give me some tips:

I normally try and find brothels or online sex websites that the locals use because those have the best prices, but I've never done an overnight at a hotel I've stayed at.

- Any cheap girl-friendly hotels in Manila, Angeles, Cebu, and places between Cebu and Manila? I'm not looking for luxury. Just a hotel that I can bring a girl back to.

- Am I correct in assuming that overnight should be PHP 2500 or less? Short time is PHP 1500 or less? And streetwalkers can be as low as PHP 500?

- Are there any cheap blowjob bars in these cities? Search doesn't seem to turn up anything, so I guess BJ bars or Hoc Tocs aren't a thing?

- Any good brothels that the locals use where there are zero westerners? Kind of like fishbowls? Again, nothing pops up on search.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;2372070]Prices have been up for some time now. Barfines are 2500 pesos. Girls want 3 K short time. Girls drink are 375? Something like that.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's quite a high rate of inflation, especially on the girly drinks. Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2372132]Any cheap girl-friendly hotels in Manila, Angeles, Cebu, and places between Cebu and Manila? I'm not looking for luxury. Just a hotel that I can bring a girl back to.
[/QUOTE]You should probably be more specific where Manila is concerned. That is like asking somebody what hotel you should stay in in New York. But anyway. It appears from this board that most mongers stay in 1 of 2 places in Manila. Makati or Ermita/Malate. Makati is more of a trendy place. Whenever I meet a Filipina outside of Philippines and ask what part of Manila they are from, they always say Makati, although most probably aren't from there anyway. I have only stayed in Makati twice. To me everything is spread out there. I prefer Ermita where I walk everywhere.

That being said, I will tell you the hotels that were recommended to me from people on this board when I first went to those particular cities. Manila, Ermita: CityState Hotel. Cebu: Diplomat Hotel. Angeles: Pacific Breeze Hotel. More info on hotels can be found in the hotels thread.

[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2372132]
- Any good brothels that the locals use where there are zero westerners? Kind of like fishbowls? Again, nothing pops up on search.[/QUOTE]No there aren't any cheap brothels. If there were we would all be using them. For cheap fucks you will have to try skanky SW's, like around Taft on Edsa. Better to stick to LA cafe and bargain your ass off.

"I coordinated with a girlfriend I already had in Manila. Through the web, I found a girl willing to freelance and go on vacation with me as long as I took care of her."

Confused you already knew her or you found her on the internet?

I have always wanted to do this how did you find this girl exactly? Bi girls are hard to find. You can PM me.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2371963]I came up with a process that worked really well, and I thought I should give back to the community.

I coordinated with a girlfriend I already had in Manila. Through the web, I found a girl willing to freelance and go on vacation with me as long as I took care of her.

I got us a two bedroom AirBNB which we turned into a party house. She had her room and I had mine. We both picked freelance up girls. I was able to use her skill with Tagalog to negotiate better prices. We took girls home and had threesomes on most nights of the week. We had a lot of luck, especially at L. A. Cafe.

Even better, my girl had a few contacts that wanted to get a piece of a foreigner, and I was happy to oblige them..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2372292]"I coordinated with a girlfriend I already had in Manila. Through the web, I found a girl willing to freelance and go on vacation with me as long as I took care of her."

Confused you already knew her or you found her on the internet?

I have always wanted to do this how did you find this girl exactly? Bi girls are hard to find. You can PM me.[/QUOTE]Bi girls are easy to find as I know some in most cities.

It is how you ask, what you ask etc. I have had bi sisters more than once and no issues in finding them. Friends who visit Manila see a couple of pairs depending on time, place and price.

The other one is easy too. Just find a few you like, see what they do and if not working ask if want an all expenses paid vacation. What is hard in that?

[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2372132]I'll be coming to the Philippines for the first time soon. I'm flying into Manila, staying for a week and a half, and flying back out from Manila. I plan to do some traveling through the country as well like to Cebu and the like.

Unfortunately, I'm on a budget, and I have a lot of social anxiety so the loud bar scene really makes me uncomfortable. I also am extremely allergic to alcohol.

I was hoping that you guys could give me some tips:

I normally try and find brothels or online sex websites that the locals use because those have the best prices, but I've never done an overnight at a hotel I've stayed at..[/QUOTE]If you use the advanced search tab and type in fishbowl you will find many examples.

And a RTFF back a few pages would show you what you want.

Assume this mean no clubs where the hotties hand out either? So no bars, no clubs, and any BJ places too noisy and serve alcohol so best stick to escort site and pay the price but your budget does not allow escort site girls (you would know this via a RTFF).

FLs yes but then best RTFF about the scams as many mentioned by mongers on this board and looks like you need someone to hold you hand in case you get arrested.

As Mr E noted there is a hotel thread for Manila and Cebu (plus a separate Cebu thread) so look there but your budget will compromise you given all the allergies your have I think.

[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2372132]Unfortunately, I'm on a budget, and I have a lot of social anxiety so the loud bar scene really makes me uncomfortable. I also am extremely allergic to alcohol.

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- Any cheap girl-friendly hotels in Manila, Angeles, Cebu, and places between Cebu and Manila? I'm not looking for luxury. Just a hotel that I can bring a girl back to.

- Am I correct in assuming that overnight should be PHP 2500 or less? Short time is PHP 1500 or less? And streetwalkers can be as low as PHP 500?

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- Any good brothels that the locals use where there are zero westerners? Kind of like fishbowls? Again, nothing pops up on search.[/QUOTE]You have posted useful field reports in the Cambodia forum and deserve some decent feedback. If the bar scene makes you uncomfortable, there's a thread here for people giving notice that they will be in country. Why not use it to look for a wingman, especially somebody with experience in the Phils? The bars will gladly serve you soda, iced tea, or bottled water. Assume that recovering alcoholics frequent this forum and the bars in the Philippines, and nobody will think twice about a customer drinking non-alcoholic stuff.

Mr. E described two principal red-light districts, Makati and Ermita / Malate. There are others, but you have to work harder within them. Like Mr. E, I have spent lots more time in Ermita than Makati. In Makati, Café Havana is a business in Greenbelt 3, at least in the past, right beside Seattle's Best Coffee. Greenbelt is a mall set out in five buildings with a green park area in the middle. Freelancers hang out in the seating area outside the café, but communications may be little more than winks and smiles, because they don't want to be run off by the businesses. Beware of ladyboys hanging out at the fringes of the area. You might like this café area because it's not a loud bar scene. Padre Burgos Street in Northern Makati, just off Makati Avenue, is the other principal area in Makati. The bars there have a bunch of dancers and working girls, but as recent field reports show, they're not cheap. Some guys report picking up cheaper street girls on Burgos. Lots of useful reports in the Makati thread.

Makati is the financial district; parts of Ermita, on the other hand, can be pretty dirty. Be careful, don't wear jewelry, and carry only enough money for food, drinks, and taxi if you need it. Walk confidently but always pay attention to your surroundings. A principal destination here is LA Café. Even if you don't like bars, every man should experience this meat market at least once. These are all freelancers, many are ugly, but with patience you can find some gems. Read back through the Manila thread for field reports from LA Café. I've always liked the place, but others see nothing but ugliness there. Prices here are probably a little higher than you suggested in your post, but don't be afraid to negotiate. This is a good place to go with a wingman.

Another, much quieter Ermita bar is the G-Point. Many fewer women here, and I have been told the management discourages open soliciting. But there's no question there are freelancers here. You might be able to lure one to your table with an offer of food. Food's not great, but the servings are huge, and the women here will not turn up their noses at it. There are a few other smaller bars in Ermita with freelancers, but you need to spend time reading the forum to learn about them. Another place to look in Ermita is Robinson's Place Mall. Just walk around and make eye contact with unaccompanied women. If they smile, they're probably available, because good Filipinas don't flirt with Westerners. Smile back; sometimes they will greet you. This is a giveaway. Just start talking to them. There are also freelancers in the streets near Robinson's Place. Same tactics.

There may be some cheap brothels, and there are definitely some freelancer bars in other districts that are cheaper, but they are usually for locals only. But the options in Makati and Ermita are well described in the threads for Makati and Manila. No reason to settle for a blowjob when it's so easy to get laid in the Philippines, and most who will fuck will also give you a BJ if you ask. Hotels are invariably girl friendly. Check out reports in the hotels thread, spend some time looking at Google Maps to locate these redlight districts, and then do some research on one of the lodging websites like Agoda.

Obviously do some research for Cebu and AC in those threads. Final advice: relax, get laid as much as you can, and leave some field reports for others. And remember, most of these women speak enough English to make communication a lot easier and many will give you a real girlfriend experience.

[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2372132]I'll be coming to the Philippines for the first time soon. I'm flying into Manila, staying for a week and a half, and flying back out from Manila. I plan to do some traveling through the country as well like to Cebu and the like.

Unfortunately, I'm on a budget, and I have a lot of social anxiety so the loud bar scene really makes me uncomfortable. I also am extremely allergic to alcohol.

I was hoping that you guys could give me some tips:

I normally try and find brothels or online sex websites that the locals use because those have the best prices, but I've never done an overnight at a hotel I've stayed at.

- Any cheap girl-friendly hotels in Manila, Angeles, Cebu, and places between Cebu and Manila? I'm not looking for luxury. Just a hotel that I can bring a girl back to.

- Am I correct in assuming that overnight should be PHP 2500 or less? Short time is PHP 1500 or less? And streetwalkers can be as low as PHP 500?

- Are there any cheap blowjob bars in these cities? Search doesn't seem to turn up anything, so I guess BJ bars or Hoc Tocs aren't a thing?

- Any good brothels that the locals use where there are zero westerners? Kind of like fishbowls? Again, nothing pops up on search.[/QUOTE]Have you considered looking online? Pina Love and Philippine Cupid have many girls in your price range. The 'near me' apps like WeChat etc can also be good and very quick but just be careful of Lady Boys. They also don't require any exposure to alcohol, loud clubs etc.

You will struggle to find a Phil hotel that is not girl friendly. Just use the map and price features of Agoda to select where and $$$ that suit you.

Like for like you will find Cebu cheaper than Manila and the province cities are cheaper again.

Good luck. G.

Guys if you don't want to end up like this guy don't forget to use your condom.

[URL]https://filipinotimes.net/news/2019/08/07/filipina-killed-retired-australian-cop-subic-found-pregnant/?fbclid=IwAR0fOdOjZuaMmY46ijatug9NYKo68uZxa4N8ZPWtIS7KUEtNfagPGuxKudU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2372578]Guys if you don't want to end up like this guy don't forget to use your condom.

[URL]https://filipinotimes.net/news/2019/08/07/filipina-killed-retired-australian-cop-subic-found-pregnant/?fbclid=IwAR0fOdOjZuaMmY46ijatug9NYKo68uZxa4N8ZPWtIS7KUEtNfagPGuxKudU[/URL][/QUOTE]It doesn't appear that he forgot to use his condoms. He was deliberately riding his Filipina girlfriend bareback cum-in-pussy. He bred her once before and they had a one-year-old kid. It was only after the seconding breeding that problems arose concerning the custody of the first bundle of joy.

Perhaps, he should have taken a hint from the local trike drivers and fellow Aussies. Cum and run!

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2371148]One hotel kept my ID and I forgot to collect it when I checked out. I discovered the missing passport when I was in the taxi on the way to the airport. I called and made the hotel staff bring it to me in a taxi because I didn't have time for the round trip. Luckily the hotel's number as on their receipt. (keep your receipts). Stressful.[/QUOTE]There is no reason for the hotel to keep your passport. They could make a photocopy of the relevant pages. That is done with my passport on many occasions.

Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2373514]Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]There is a whole thread dedicated to AC transportation from Manila; it is located below the line on the main PI page. Lots of useful info there.

Edit: that is mainly for transportation from the airport, sorry.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2373514]Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]I stay in Malate (Ermita, actually) and use the bus to Subic, but as most of these services do not actually serve Angeles, my suggestion is rather more generic.

I would suggest searching on Google Maps or similar for 'Earnshaw Street Sampaloc' and 'Caloocan' and zoom in / out until the little blue markers appear. These represent the individual companies' bus terminals. Then you can go to the individual company's website although timetables might be rather sparse. Angeles is more likely to be listed as Clark, Dau or Mabalacat.

The reason I recommend these areas is that they are relatively close to Malate but to the north, so the congestion of Manila is lessened.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2373514]Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]I had a girl come to makati from Angeles. She took 5 star bus to Pasay terminal then taxi. Try google search for manila bus terminals for genesis and 5 star. Both run manila / angeles. I would try anything besides going back to airport. It is in the wrong direction for you so waste of your time to go there not to mention the terminal traffic.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2373514]Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]Take a taxi to one of the other bus stations in Pasay that go to Dau. No need to go all the way back to the airport to take a bus that goes damn near the same place for almost 3 times as much money.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2373514]Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]You can take Victory Liner from Pasay.

One option is Fly the Bus from Southern Cross Hotel. It's across the street from the Ermita Chapel.

1125 M. H. Del Pilar St.

Manila to Angeles.

11.30 am – 3. 30 pm – 8. 30 pm.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2373514]Staying near Robinson Place and want to go to and back from here to Angeles. Is the easiest option (bus wise) going to the Terminal 3 and catching Genesis bus from there or seeing I am in Malate is there somewhere I can jump on as it goes past?

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2373675]Take a taxi to one of the other bus stations in Pasay that go to Dau. No need to go all the way back to the airport to take a bus that goes damn near the same place for almost 3 times as much money.[/QUOTE]What happened to those mini buses from Swagman? Do they still operate?

It's been a while since writing any reports. Mainly because I've been doing much of the same thing, Brazil and Colombia. I spent a week in Australia to snorkel at the Great Barrier Reef, which was great and decided to hit the Philippines before coming home to L. A. I took Philippine airlines and it was actually cheaper doing a multi- city route than going directly to Australia. I did go business class and the service was great on all flights. Thanks to everyone who has contributed. I didn't feel the need to pm anyone because of all the information here. I have been to Angeles city once before but this trip I was going to stay in Makati and Pasay so it felt like I was going for the first time. The nervousness. LOL. From Brisbane I landed at Manila Terminal 2. Like all reports, this airport is whacked! Just getting from Terminal 2 to 3 sucked. Waited for the terminal to terminal bus. One came after about a 25 minute wait. The bus driver told me his bus was only going to terminal 1. After a while a premium bus (which was a newer and bigger bus than the terminal to terminal bus) stopped in front of us and asked if we want to take his bus but it would cost $150 p. Three of us said yes but when the third person tried to get on, she said she only had credit cards no cash. Bus driver said sorry but no. Anyways, I'm sure this guys isn't supposed to pickup people at the t to t stop, but for someone new, it might be worth the risk to go to the premium bus stop to see if he'll take you to the terminal you want. We get to T3 at about 17:00. As I approach gate 14 I see the Genesis bus and the guys is just about ready to close the luggage door. He see's me and asked if I was going to Sm Clark. I said yes, he took my suitcase and loaded it in the luggage compartment. The bus now cost $380 p. And since this was Thursday, I knew there would be traffic. It took 4 hours to get to Sm Clark. On the way back, which was on a Sunday, it took 2 hours total. I stayed 3 night in Angeles, 3 nights in Makati, and finished off with 2 nights in Pasay.

I thought there was a section for Pasay but I guess not, so I'll write it here. Last two nights in the Phillipines. Around 19:00 the rain is coming down lightly so decided to walk to edsa entertainment center. Everything was good until I was a block away. All of a sudden a massive downpour. What made it worst, strong winds. I had my umbrella but with the winds I got soaked. My shoes were wet, my t-shirt looked like someone threw a bucket of water on me. Anyways, as soon as I walk in the main door a guys tries to get me into one of the bars. I told him not yet. I want to walk around a bit to try and dry off (didn't happen). It was early so Samba's wasn't open yet so after a while I walked into one of the bars that was open. I was the only one in there. By the time I left I went into 3 bars but can't remember the names of the bars I went into. For my taste, overall talent was very good. To be fair, in Makati, I went early for the h / h and I know most of the prine stuff comes in at night. Finally at one of the bars I see a cute girl, not as cute as Leia at Bottoms but she would do. Buy her a drink and ask the usual about cost of barfines and girl. Her name is Coleen and it was at one of the bars on the right hand side. Sorry I know that doesn't help. The barfine which she told me was standard at all the bars here was $2500 p. With short time for the girl at $3000 p and long time at $5000. I told her I only want short time so bar fined her and had a great time. Walking out of the center one of the taxi guys ask if we wanted a ride. I asked him how much? He said $300 p which I knew was a rippoff. But it was raining hard, I was soaked and some of the taxi's I saw on the streets in traffic had passengers in it. So told him yes. The session was great, passionate kissing, BBBJ DATY and different positions. After the deed and shower, I asked her if she wanted to get some pizza since there was a pizza place downstairs. She said yes and had a great time talking. She asked when I would be back. I told her probably not until next year. I asked her if she wanted to see me again and she said yes. I then asked her if she wanted to vacation with me next time, maybe go to somewhere with a nice beach. She was very excited and wanted to give me her phone number. I left my phone in the room since this place was downstairs. She ask the server for a pen and wrote her number down. I folded it and put it in my back pocket. Got her a taxi and again, a nice sloppy kiss to say goodnight. Next day, I unfold the paper to find out the last two numbers got smudge. Just my luck. Last day. My plan was to visit flt 168 and later go back to the edsa center if not tired. Get to flt168 around 15:00. At this hour the price for business class or whatever they call it, it's on the ground floor, is $2000 p for the room and $2000 p for the girl. I told the guy I wanted to see the girls upstairs also. No problem, took the escalators up and on this floor it was only $900 for the room, didn't get the price for the girls here. Didn't really see anything I liked on both floors but since I was here decided to bite the bullet and see what happens. Took number 111 who looked decent but nothing else. Get to the room and in a few minutes she arrives. She said we have an hour and 15 minutes. She would start with a massage, sexy massage, then the main event. We shower together and then the massage starts. Nothing great, nothing bad. Then she said she would start the sexy massage. I thought she would be kissing me all over but that wasn't the case. It was pretty lame. For the main event, no kissing no DATY. She did do BBBJ which was okay. At this time I just wanted to finish and get out. Needless to say, this wasn't how I wanted my last shag to go but sometimes it happens. After the session I went to Solaire hotel and casino to play a little. They had craps there and even though I lost about $80.00 usd I played for about 2 hours which was fun. Then I ate at one of the resturants there, I think it was called Lucky something. Has the Pork Belly rice special and was really good. I believe it was $420 p for the meal. I was thinking about going back to edsa to forget about the time at flt 168 but two things changed my mind. I was going to shower at my hotel before going but it took a while to get there with all of the traffic. Second the rain and wind was bad. Will have to wait until next year if I come back.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;2373902]Anyways, I'm sure this guys isn't supposed to pickup people at the t to t stop, but for someone new, it might be worth the risk to go to the premium bus stop to see if he'll take you to the terminal you want. [/QUOTE]I always take that bus. It comes at the same stop as the other bus. I think the difference is maybe that the premium has AC. What city did you go to for the Great Barrier Reef and what company did you use? Was it worth it? I hear it is not like it used to be.

Staying one night here in Eastwood area any suggestions for local place near or best place.

In the mall for pickups? Thank you.

The premium bus that picked us up actually had a designated stop one island before the t to t stop but at least now, people know about it. I stayed in Cairns and one all day tour was with sea-star. This was a good company but the food kind of sucked. They provide all the gear. I only snorkel but you can also dive with them, but cost more. I also took a half day tour but I can't remember the name of the company. This tour was just okay, but I didn't want to be out all day that day.

Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.

I reached out to Mr E, Goferring, Transporter and a few other folks asking for advice and most of them responded immediately. Surprisingly, all 3 of them gave me the same suggestion I. E. Sabang. Initially I was a little sceptical due to the high priced flights during my travel dates and decided not to go further with it. But I read through some of the posts on Sabang and realized that I should rather change my travel dates or increase my budget a little to ensure that I visit Sabang, since it is definitely one of the best place to learn diving. I am visiting in the 1st week of January and needed help on some of the below queries. Some may argue that I am reaching out too early but I really want to make all reservations and plan my itinerary at least 2 months in advance.

1. A good dive centre that offers a certification. Ideally not too expensive. I sent an email to the centre that Mr E had shared but there was no response from their end. I don't mind staying at the same place if their accommodation is girl friendly.

2. A good spa: Would love to go for a good massage and sauna after diving through the day. Some authentic spas that offers variety of treatments, scrubs, etc. Won't mind an upscale one also. Extras would be a delight but certainly not expected from such a setup.

3. Local commute: What is the best mode to commute locally without spending a lot. I read about bike rentals. Can someone point me towards a good operator.

4. I read a few reports stating that there are multiple Gogo's in Sabang where the ongoing BF rates are around 4 k. Is this just the bar fine or is it inclusive of ST / LT? I won't ask which bar which girl since most of the information is already shared and I know people hate spoon feeding.

5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price. I am not a variety seeking person. If a decent looking hygienic girl can give me a good GFE, I won't mind repeating her for a few days. I am stressing on this because I am currently inexperienced in picking girls through GOGO's. I am quite presentable and certainly not a cheap charlie but no past GOGO experience that's all.

6. Lastly, I am thinking to spend a day or 2 in Manilla as well. Thinking to avoid AC as I don't want to waste time traveling. Really want to meet a stunner for long time who can ensure a great GFE. I am willing to spend up to 8-10 k PHP for such an experience. Again a ton of information available on the Manilla thread, just need time to process all that. But any existing free lancer contact would be an added bonus. Otherwise I will RTFF and try my luck in Burgos st.

Hoping to get some valuable pointers and sorry for such a long query. But I don't shy away from accepting the fact that I am a noob when it comes to Philippines and want to be fully prepared to ensure I have more hits than misses. Overall trip budget is around 65-70 k php for 6 days excluding flights.

Special thanks to EngineDriver, Natty, Mr E, Transporter, Goferring, Soapy and definitely New Image (If you hadn't posted so many queries on Sabang, this thread wouldn't be having enough information for noobs like me). You guys have literally shared an ocean of information which is very different from Indian threads where information is shared within closed circles as Law Enforcement is strict and new mongers are quite irresponsible. I would love to help you all unconditionally if you ever plan to travel to New Delhi or Bangalore.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]1. A good dive centre that offers a certification. Ideally not too expensive. I sent an email to the centre that Mr E had shared but there was no response from their end. I don't mind staying at the same place if their accommodation is girl friendly.[/QUOTE]That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]2. A good spa: Would love to go for a good massage and sauna after diving through the day.

3. Local commute: What is the best mode to commute locally without spending a lot. I read about bike rentals. Can someone point me towards a good operator.

5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price.[/quote]What you are not realizing is that Sabang is a really small place. No idea how many massage places are there because I did not use any. But if I had to guess, then I would say 2. Not really anyone to point you to to rent a bike. You just walk down the street and see who has them for rent. The only reason we rented one was to drive to see the waterfall. After that, we drove over to White Beach to see it and eat, then came back and turned it in. Any other place that you may go in the town will only be a short walk.

If you are looking for FL then I suggest you bring one with you from Manila. I am not sure if such a thing exists in Sabang. Before I went, I met a nonpro on DateInAsia that made the trip with me.

To give you a better idea of the place, imagine a seashore, part of it having a beach. Right behind that shore are hills and mountains. There is a small road carved into those mountains that contain grocery store, a couple of restaurants, a couple of bars, i.e. things that make a town run. That is pretty much Sabang. Even the dive resort that I stayed in is right on the shore, but to get to your room you have to walk up a bunch of steps because the mountain comes right up from the seashore. Farther down the shore is a beach with white sand hence the name White Beach. There were a couple of bars and restaurants and hotels on the White Beach side as well. I don't think you can walk there down the shore. You have to go around and through the mountains to get on that side.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for cheap, girl friendly accommodation with onsite dive training it's hard to go past Big Apple. Don't expect luxury. It's getting quite run down but it's in a fantastic location right in the centre of the activity, has everything onsite and is the meeting place for all the freelancers in town. Booking both rooms and training via their website is reliable.

There are spas and massage places peppered all through town. All offer the same quality and level of services and are unlikely to include "extras". Most masseuses are well trained and capable but if you find one you especially like then you can request her by name in follow up visits. Often they will do hotel / room visits but will charge more.

E is right. Sabang is small. All of it and 3 of the nearby bays are all within easy walking distance. Many trikes are available for runs in to Puerto Galera should you want or need to go. Same for the waterfalls. You can hire a motorbike if you want but they are notorious for ripping people off with fake damage scams etc so take the usual precautions if you use one for a longer trip. You certainly don't need one for daily use though.

The 4 k barfine is actually 2 k barfine payable before leaving and 2 k tip paid to the girl after finished. As a new face, you will be asked but do not pay the full 4 k upfront. This is generally LT but agree with the girl on services and time before leaving. Most are pretty good on not trying to do a one pop runner but it does happen, more so in the K (or now Chinese) dominated bars.

Freelancers come and go depending on the local attitudes. There are regular sweeps which clear the FLs out when the bars tire of all the competition but a month or so later they are all back. Just check local conditions when you are actually there. If you don't see any in Big Apple, then they have been cleared out of town. Keeping one for a few days even "rolling" barfining someone from a bar will be no problem. Cost savings over just a couple of days will be minimal.

No need to be nervous about the GoGo process. It's very simple. Just walk in, sit down and order a drink. If you see or are offered a girl (s) you like then you can by her a lady drink and talk a little to see if you are comparable. There is no need to buy all her friends drinks. If you like her, pay 2 k to release her from the bar then another 2 k after you have finished in your room. Don't feel like you are under pressure. It perfectly acceptable to not buy any LDs if you don't see anyone you like or buy a LD and then not bar fine if you don't want to take it further. For your first night you might want to have a drink in every bar just to get the vibe of the place and see which bar (s) you like the best. You could easily cover every bar in Sabang in a couple of hours and then return to your favorite (s). Again, this is all on foot.

The bars do start early. Some at just 6 pm and are notorious for being emptied of all the stunners by Koreans by 6:15. This should not concern you as the girls involved are very K or Chinese focused and generally give hopeless and only ST service anyway. Just go, have a look but act quick should you find someone you like.

As a newbie, in Manila for a day or two, with a 10 k budget, just go to Burgos. It has many beautiful and service focused girls who will show you a great time. Internet or freelance girls are less than half of that but you don't have time to sort the good from the bad.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.
definitely New Image (If you hadn't posted so many queries on Sabang, this thread wouldn't be having enough information for noobs like me). You guys have literally shared an ocean of information which is very different from Indian threads where information is shared within closed circles as Law Enforcement is strict and new mongers are quite irresponsible. I would love to help you all unconditionally if you ever plan to travel to New Delhi or Bangalore.[/QUOTE]I ask lots of questions cause knowledge is power and when I am there I write lengthy reports to help others. Eg So you want to bang bang Sabang reports Hopefully people appreciate.

In response Sabang would be your go to place for diving & girls. Yes now its harder to get to because they won't allow bancas direct to Sabang port but they go to Muelle (Port Gal) or white beach. A quick trike ride and you are at bang bang Sabang.
Yes bar fines are 4000 (pretty expensive for Phil) but you can negotiate after work or before work meetings. Unfort perf is not great BUT I found a very good provider and we had wonderful GFE time together.As people said Sabang is small you can walk everywhere which I like. I stay 2 minutes walk from bars and dive shops. Diving is excellent and cheap. Food good, accom good but competition from cashed up Koreans is crap.Why maybe my last trip. Partly judging hassle of getting there, judging perf vs money (other places are much cheaper) and been there done that. Doing a Manila- Angeles. Sabang - Manila ( Burgos ) trip in Dec so stay tuned for lengthy reports. Unfort in Sabang if you are not diving not much to do. I mean young guys can fuck all day. I can't. LOL.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.
.[/QUOTE]This whole discussion belongs in the "Other Areas" thread, not the Manila thread. Perhaps Abhi would be kind enough to shift it.

1. If you are coming from India, there is no way the Big Apple will meet your expectations. It is a run down shit hole, full of old drunks and toothless hags. It will suit poor Aussie, working class or pensioner mongers. The British dive master and the Australian owner of the Big Apple are alcoholics. You should avoid this place. Why not go to Sabang a day early and check out the dive shops before handing over your money? Interview the dive master, check out the equipment and get a feel for the place. Some dive places are exclusively Korean or Chinese.

2. There are six massage parlours in Sabang, all Korean owned. They are completely legitimate and don't offer any extras. Best to not even ask as you may look foolish. Many of the girls have Korean boyfriends. The best massage I had in Sabang was by the lady that threads beads and weaves bracelets. She has a stall on the ground outside one of the hotels. If she asks "Massage Sir?" just say yes.

3. You won't need any transport in Sabang. Everything you need is no more than 300 meters away.

4. You will find freelancers of varying standards walking up and down the pathway outside Big Apple. If one catches your eye, just grab her. 2,500 per night should be enough. You may also try PL or FC.

5. If you want to go to the bikini bars, start lining up at 5. 30 pm. The doors open at 6. 00 pm. By 6. 01 pm, the Koreans have grabbed all the hottest girls. At 6. 02 pm half the club will be empty. Only the ugly ones or those on menstruation duty will be left.

6. Sabang exists for the Koreans and Chinese, more so than AC. You just have to stay focused on your own task and not be distracted.

7. Your budget may be a bit tight. I would always bring more money.

Please send us a report and some pictures of the new shitfarm. It might have been commissioned by the time you go. I'm very interested.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]there is no way the Big Apple will meet your expectations. It is a run down shit hole[/QUOTE]I'd agree the Big Apple is a shit hole but it's a shit hole with character and its location is hard to beat with access to all the bars, freelancers, floating bars and daily conveniences less than a 5 minute walk away. Anything can and does go in the bar, hotel and pool so if the OP want to be entertained, give it consideration; if he wants a vanilla flavoured safe haven then you are right and he should give it a miss.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]
2. There are six massage parlours in Sabang, all Korean owned. They are completely legitimate and don't offer any extras.
[/QUOTE]Very true for us visitors who may shoot off our mouths and get the girls fired. Long term Resident Dive Masters / Instructors often get Full Service.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]4. You will find freelancers of varying standards walking up and down the pathway outside Big Apple. If one catches your eye, just grab her. 2,500 per night should be enough. You may also try PL or FC.[/QUOTE]During the day there are a lot of bar girls walking around town meeting friends and doing their chores. Many can be convinced to drop by for a pre work ST. Again, the front barstools at the Big Apple make a good vantage spot to see everyone walking by as you have a drink or meal.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]6. Sabang exists for the Koreans and Chinese, more so than AC. You just have to stay focused on your own task and not be distracted.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is becoming more and more the case over time. The result has been an increase in the number of very good looking girls but a decrease in service standards and the overall "fun" atmosphere.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]7. Your budget may be a bit tight. I would always bring more money.[/QUOTE]That can be said about any and every mongering holiday. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.

Re Sabang: Big Apple. Sabang central. Good place to sit & peruse. Food for me ok. Shithole is a bit rough IMO. We've all been in worse. Don't book before you go. See what's available when you get there dive wise. Negotiate one against another when you are there- best deal wins or one you feel most comfortable with.

GFE will be your biggest hassle. Not all bars are created equal. Not that many doable FL ers around when I was there. You WILL have to pay for quality GFE. But negotiate with girl for extended rental. Keep eye out during the day for pre work and post work WG sessions. Why pay 4000 when you can get for 2000. Need to get into the habit of interviewing and negotiating. Just do it. Lay down the ground rules and expected behaviours. Be prepared to walk if you get negative feedback. There are PLENTY.

Re Burgos / Manila. Let Wechat etc be your friend. Not a fan of dating sites. A lot changes in a day. Sit in a cafe. They come to you- you interview and negotiate.

Re money. When you get to 80 would you rather have an extra 50 k in your bank account or great memories of the hot 19 year olds that you fucked in the Philippines? (Now 50 k US = 2,500,000 peso = 625 bar fines at 4000 peso each LOL).

NI.

[QUOTE=Si6798;2375395]Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.[/QUOTE]Life is a game and there are no guarantees. I had one former lovely 24 year old that after a few months discovered that she had Hep be since birth. Fortunately I had previously had a full Hep be vac course.

As a regular Filipina fucker for many years I was always using a condom until one girl convinced me that if I was serious on her, then it's without a condom. She already had one child and she was meticulously taking contraception pill. Was with her for two+ years.

As disciplined as I try to be, it is just so much better going BB with a trusted partner.

During my time in Ph I had 2 rounds of STI which were cured on home soil, 1 time was my straying, the 2nd time as my 'trusted' partner playing away from home.

Of greatest concern for me would be contraception.

PP.

Run fast and run far.

[QUOTE=Si6798;2375395]Guys,

Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom.

Si.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Si6798;2375395]Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.[/QUOTE]Comes down to your judgement call. If she truly is just a regular mom then I would say risk of contracting something is manageable. But I would never go bareback with a working girl, not worth it for me. But there are tons of mongerers who frequently or exclusively play bareback. And also the more reprehensible ones who coerce their girls (often uneducated on the risks) into doing it with them.

Think about it this way, do you really want to be sharing a girl bareback with one of those bareback allstars who has himself pounded over a hundred working girls? With 6 degrees of separation you can bet your last dime somewhere along the line there is HIV and though the risk of transmission from one interaction is low, ask yourself if its worth it.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price. I am not a variety seeking person. If a decent looking hygienic girl can give me a good GFE, I won't mind repeating her for a few days. I am stressing on this because I am currently inexperienced in picking girls through GOGO's. I am quite presentable and certainly not a cheap charlie but no past GOGO experience that's all.[/QUOTE]Don't do this. You will form an attachment and start sending her money once you go home. I speak from experience. Men are weak, men are idiots.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375158]That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E. Let me call them and inquire once again. Also as ED mentioned, I will try and keep an extra day just to roam around and checkout the dive shops.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375256]The 4 k barfine is actually 2 k barfine payable before leaving and 2 k tip paid to the girl after finished. As a new face, you will be asked but do not pay the full 4 k upfront. This is generally LT but agree with the girl on services and time before leaving. Most are pretty good on not trying to do a one pop runner but it does happen, more so in the K (or now Chinese) dominated bars.

Freelancers come and go depending on the local attitudes. There are regular sweeps which clear the FLsNo need to be nervous about the GoGo process. It's very simple. Just walk in, sit down and order a drink. If you see or are offered a girl (s) you like then you can by her a lady drink and talk a little to see if you are comparable. There is no need to buy all her friends drinks. If you like her, pay 2 k to release her from the bar then another 2 k after you have finished in your room. Don't feel like you are under pressure. It perfectly acceptable to not buy any LDs if you don't see anyone you like or buy a LD and then not bar fine if you don't want to take it further. For your first night you might want to have a drink in every bar just to get the vibe of the place and see which bar (s) you like the best. You could easily cover every bar in Sabang in a couple o
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I would avoid staying at Big Apple. But as you mentioned, it might be a good place to sit around for drinks and look out for potential FLs. I might want to choose a better place to stay and dive. Also thanks for giving me confidence on GOGOs. Looks like this is an experience I must have. I will try in Sabang as well as in Manilla. Hope to beat some Koreans to find a stunner LOL. But yes will go easy and display confidence. That newbie look gets you conned most of the times.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2375275] tition from cashed up Koreans is crap.Why maybe my last trip. Partly judging hassle of getting there, judging perf vs money (other places are much cheaper) and been there done that. Doing a Manila- Angeles. Sabang - Manila ( Burgos ) trip in Dec so stay tuned for lengthy reports. Unfort in Sabang if you are not diving not much to do. I mean young guys can fuck all day. I can't. LOL.[/QUOTE]Looking forward for some crazy reports from your end NI. I would do the same once I finish my trip. I love to write descriptive reports. Thanks to all the folks who shared their valuable inputs.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]Please send us a report and some pictures of the new shitfarm. It might have been commissioned by the time you go. I'm very interested.[/QUOTE]Definitely ED. Will try and share as many reports and images as possible.

What's the consensus on girls roaming around Burgos offering cheap massages for 500 p? I saw them around last night but hesitated because the price is so cheap. Are they safe?

Can anyone with experience at Flight 168 let me know if it is worth getting the more expensive room in Flight 168?

[QUOTE=Sammi00;2376037]Can anyone with experience at Flight 168 let me know if it is worth getting the more expensive room in Flight 168?[/QUOTE]Haven't been there in a while but generally not worth the extra, but that is just an opinion and opinions are like assholes.

Everyone has at least one and some stink more than others.

[QUOTE=Sammi00;2376027]What's the consensus on girls roaming around Burgos offering cheap massages for 500 p? I saw them around last night but hesitated because the price is so cheap. Are they safe?[/QUOTE]Sammi: PM me, I might have some insight for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375158]That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.

....[/QUOTE]In more than 20 years of diving, that is the norm for dive shops everywhere, here is a little worse. You have to ask them many times to get a straight answer on when a dive trip is scheduled, customer service is universally poor.

It might be that they rely on tourist business where there is not always a lot of repeat customers and always a supply of new potential customers, but I think it is because dive shops are usually run by people with a few thousand dives and on some of these they may have run a little low on oxygen.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2376314]
It might be that they rely on tourist business where there is not always a lot of repeat customers and always a supply of new potential customers, but I think it is because dive shops are usually run by people with a few thousand dives and on some of these they may have run a little low on oxygen.[/QUOTE]I know many professional dive shops. BUT, I know more that are little more than slave labour camps for unknowing backpackers or a social experiment by guys that enjoy the sea and think it would be a great way to lay back and get paid for their hobby (like the alcoholic who thinks it's a great idea to set up a bar in AC / Patts).

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sammi00;2376027]What's the consensus on girls roaming around Burgos offering cheap massages for 500 p? I saw them around last night but hesitated because the price is so cheap. Are they safe?[/QUOTE]Def safe but they will want more money for more services. DO the deal before you go with the. Most will come to your room but some otels like Makati palace won't let the uniformed ones come in. They can change clothes usually. If you go with the, you will find yourself behind a curtained cubicle and they will take everything off or do whatever you want for the agreed price. If you even get a hint that they are a ladyboy avoid them like the plague. They will pinch your money, rip you off or worse (like show you their dick).

Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?[/QUOTE]No one cares about you being with any number of girls, after all that is why everyone is there. The hotels around burgos would go out of business except for mongers.

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2376466]Def safe but they will want more money for more services. DO the deal before you go with the. Most will come to your room but some otels like Makati palace won't let the uniformed ones come in.[/QUOTE]What is up with that weird shit? My exgirlfriend works at a massage shop in AC. Last time the hotel that I always stay in, and that she has been to plenty of times before after work, did not want to let her in when she had on her work clothes.

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site?[/QUOTE]As mentioned, everyone will be bringing girls back to the hotel.

But if you don't want then use the short time Sogo hotel which is central, rented per hour and is nice and clean.

I spent 9/14- 9/23 in Sabang and the place was so dead I couldn't believe it. Maybe this is the slow season but at night where the clubs are you could shoot an arrow down the narrow alley and not hit a soul. Comment about the barfines. Most of the bars are 4 K but there was one and the name escapes me that was 3.5 K (2.0 bar /1.5 girl). Anyway I had a girl a few nights from there that told her boss that she was quitting like today Monday. It happened to be the next day after we met that she quit to work. We were scene together a couple of nights later having dinner and the mamasan / bar manager literally were demanding the BF of 2 K from her. She said I quit the bar blah blah didn't matter. I didn't want to see her get caught up in a pile so I paid the BF myself for the couple of days. I was in one bar where they made an announcement to the effect that if a girl saw another girl out with a customer after the bar closes she would get a reward as they would make the girl with the customer pay up the barfine. All the girls I spoke with say yes Koreans and Chinese but overall business is way off. I do like to dive thus the reason I go there and will probably try to get back in Feb 2020 it will be interesting to see if the overall business picks up.

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?[/QUOTE]Oh FFS, the CGG is in the mongering end of Makati. That, the St Giles and I'M Hotel have all been designed and built just for mongers. Their target customers are not families with children on their way to Disneyland Manila. They EXPECT you to take a girl up. The only way you would attract attention is if you DIDN'T take a girl. They would then think you were a homo / poofter / queer.

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?[/QUOTE]Well apart from what ED and KG said, if you had bothered to RTFF for 10 minutes you would know all the answers.

But failing that PM me so I can share contacts as can't do this openly on the board.

Look forward to the PM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2376638]What is up with that weird shit? My exgirlfriend works at a massage shop in AC. Last time the hotel that I always stay in, and that she has been to plenty of times before after work, did not want to let her in when she had on her work clothes.[/QUOTE]They do not want her competing against their own in-house hotel massage service. She would be perfectly welcome to enter if she stripped down to her bra and panties. She just can't enter wearing massage girl scrubs. That's Phils logic.

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?[/QUOTE]I have stayed at City Garden before. I did not bring a girl to my room. How ever having had brunch and dinner I could see most of the guests were Filipinos. Older couples and families. I would not say this is a monger hotel though it may be girl friendly.

The restaurant food was very good.

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site?[/QUOTE]Yes, there are. Just jump in a cab and tell the driver to take you to a Casa. He will most likely take you to the famous one in the western part of Makati, a short drive away. There you will find over 100 good looking girls, with rooms on site. Please try this and report back.

The other option is the full service brothel attached to Air Force One in Paranaque.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2376785]I have stayed at City Garden before. I did not bring a girl to my room. How ever having had brunch and dinner I could see most of the guests were Filipinos. Older couples and families. I would not say this is a monger hotel though it may be girl friendly.

The restaurant food was very good.[/QUOTE]The City Garden Hotel is different to the City Garden Grand Hotel. One is grand and one is not.

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!
All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?[/QUOTE]Why are you so precious? Have you heard the quotes "What anybody thinks of me is none of my business" or "97% of people don't like me and I 100% don't care".

[QUOTE=NewImage;2376853]Why are you so precious? Have you heard the quotes "What anybody thinks of me is none of my business" or "97% of people don't like me and I 100% don't care".[/QUOTE]Hahaha. True.

See all the old guys in the lobby that Radian is embarrassed by? Who exactly does he think they are waiting for? It's not their Bridge partner. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2376770]They EXPECT you to take a girl up. The only way you would attract attention is if you DIDN'T take a girl.[/QUOTE]This is true. In Angeles City before you go out, the receptionists even wish you good luck finding a girl.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2376896]See all the old guys in the lobby that Radian is embarrassed by? Who exactly does he think they are waiting for? It's not their Bridge partner.[/QUOTE]They will be jealous that his girl got there before theirs. How did your girl get here so damn quick?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2376834]The City Garden Hotel is different to the City Garden Grand Hotel. One is grand and one is not.[/QUOTE]I believe the hotel he and I are referring to is City Garden Suites located on Mabini Street across from Cowboy Grill.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2376853]Why are you so precious? Have you heard the quotes "What anybody thinks of me is none of my business" or "97% of people don't like me and I 100% don't care".[/QUOTE]I stopped caring what people thought of me when I realized how seldom they did.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2377023]I stopped caring what people thought of me when I realized how seldom they did.[/QUOTE]Come to realize that everyone else is worried about themselves so they haven't got time to worry about you.

Besides your partner and (maybe your family) when some one tells you about something bad in their life how long do you care about it for? Probably about the time to say " Oh that's bad". Now what's for lunch?

Empathy is dead.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2376936]I believe the hotel he and I are referring to is City Garden Suites located on Mabini Street across from Cowboy Grill.[/QUOTE]OP did say City Garden near Burgos St. And I recall there is or was a hotel of that name in that area, as well as the City Garden Grande.

CGS was certainly girl friendly up to and including my last stay there in November, but as DG says, they have a lot of wedding reception / college reunion type stuff.

I have met mongerers there but I suspect most use cheaper options for that neighbourhood.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2376638]What is up with that weird shit? My exgirlfriend works at a massage shop in AC. Last time the hotel that I always stay in, and that she has been to plenty of times before after work, did not want to let her in when she had on her work clothes.[/QUOTE]I think its just in the places that have their own massage staff.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2376853]Why are you so precious? Have you heard the quotes "What anybody thinks of me is none of my business" or "97% of people don't like me and I 100% don't care".[/QUOTE]Or this, mate, from dear old Oscar Wilde: "I have no enemies, but most of my friends despise me. ".

[QUOTE=Sidtip;2375806]Don't do this. You will form an attachment and start sending her money .............[/QUOTE]Or end up marrying her.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2377053]Come to realize that everyone else is worried about themselves so they haven't got time to worry about you.

Besides your partner and (maybe your family) when some one tells you about something bad in their life how long do you care about it for? .....[/QUOTE]The only people in the world whose opinion of me I really care about share about 50% DNA with me. I can count them on one hand and have a thumb left over.

Empathy is dead but I don't give a flying fuck.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2377053]Come to realize that everyone else is worried about themselves so they haven't got time to worry about you.

Besides your partner and (maybe your family) when some one tells you about something bad in their life how long do you care about it for? Probably about the time to say " Oh that's bad". Now what's for lunch?

Empathy is dead.[/QUOTE]Never thought of this issue from this perspective before, I like it! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2377826]Never thought of this issue from this perspective before, I like it! Thanks.[/QUOTE]I work in a high stress job where I deal with many people. Many of them are not receptive to my help despite their situation and this would frustrate me immensely. I used to think why can't I get through to them.

One day someone said something profound to me. Just try to help one person each day and if you've done that you have done your job. He also said if you can make just one person happy each day or do one good deed to another person each day then you are a good person. You may not be able to change the world but you can change someone else's life.

I guess its all about perspective.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2377922]I work in a high stress job where I deal with many people. Many of them are not receptive to my help despite their situation and this would frustrate me immensely. I used to think why can't I get through to them.

One day someone said something profound to me. Just try to help one person each day and if you've done that you have done your job. He also said if you can make just one person happy each day or do one good deed to another person each day then you are a good person. You may not be able to change the world but you can change someone else's life.

I guess its all about perspective.[/QUOTE]And mine is fuck these crazy ass people!

First ever night in Philippines off to a good start.

After I landed and got WiFi, found out my hotel in Malate had cancelled on me due to lack of credit card info on Agoda which is bullshit.

Went to P. Burgos street and wasn't my thing.

Went to la cafe which I really liked until I Waitress tried to rip my off for my change. Trying to give me 40 peso change for a come zero and Jack coke.

Took a girl from there who upon getting to the room realized how drunk she was.

She started throwing up in the toilet so I told her to leave. She wanted full payment so I told her where to go. Had to get security to get her out. Told her she could have taxi money or nothing. She eventually left cursing me.

Off to Angeles tomorrow, can only get better I hope.

I will be visiting early next month and in need of a wingman / wingmen to show me a bit of the town. Of course I have RTFF and have a few ideas of where to go but I also want to venture out of the well-worn foreigner areas if possible. Message me guys! 1st and 2nd round on me!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2360954]Flight 168 is definitely a full service bordello. The setup is very similar to a high end BKK Soapie. Basically, they offer customers a couple of different fishbowls each composed of different quality or different rated girls and Flight 168 prices their girls accordingly.

The total cost (girl and room) in Flight 168 is between 5,000 p and 7,500 p. The bill is prepaid like at a BKK Soapy. But like I said, at Flight 168 the bill is broken down into its two component parts so you are charged for the room whichever room you select and charged for the girl whichever category girl you select. Credit cards are accepted. Tips to a girl for good service are voluntary, of course, but greatly appreciated.

Have a great time![/QUOTE]One thing I would add about Flight 168 (or pegasus, or classmates, etc) is that you want 2 pops to speak up before you start the deed (but after you enter the private room). In my experience, most girls are alright with 1,000 php for the first in addition to the standard 2,000 php tip. However, the first shot may be limited to just BJ so up to you to negotiate. Also to minimize haggling, I would also suggest that as you speak to the front desk person (either before or after you pick from the fishbowl) to say I've been here before and please tell the girl it's 2,000 php for tip. It's a pretty standard tip so really no need to pay more regardless of the type of room you pick. This is just from what I've learned from Filipino friends. As a caveat, I also get harassed less for a bigger tip because I'm of Asian descent but am American so YMMV. It's OK to firm and confident when talking about prices but just don't be jerk when doing so.

I know this post is probably too late but I'm a new member so contributing what I can. Hopefully this will help other members for the future.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2376785]I have stayed at City Garden before. I did not bring a girl to my room. How ever having had brunch and dinner I could see most of the guests were Filipinos. Older couples and families. I would not say this is a monger hotel though it may be girl friendly.

The restaurant food was very good.[/QUOTE]Many of the older people staying at hotels don't have a clue what's going on.

I have mentioned the example some years ago: I once stayed at the Ibis Slipi hotel in Jakarta. Nearby there was a golf tournament and the organisation had arranged company for the players for the night. The next morning of course there were a lot of fond goodbyes at the front door which caused an elderly lady to say how remarkable it was that so many men were married to Indonesian women. She said it without any irony.

Regards,

Ko.

December I will be visiting places I have abandoned in recent years.

Burgos St, yonks ago, had a Show Place bar. Choreographer, and girls really turned it on. Excellent entertainment, so much so, guys forgot to barfine and of course wanted to partake of the showgirls themselves.

Problem is, I forget its name. Is there a bar in Burgos St with a red hot 'show' these days? Might be the same one I visited some time ago. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2383135]December I will be visiting places I have abandoned in recent years.

Burgos St, yonks ago, had a Show Place bar. Choreographer, and girls really turned it on. Excellent entertainment, so much so, guys forgot to barfine and of course wanted to partake of the showgirls themselves.

Problem is, I forget its name. Is there a bar in Burgos St with a red hot 'show' these days? Might be the same one I visited some time ago. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm not aware of any 3rd party shows on Burgos beyond the house girls doing the bar girl shuffle up on stage.

As an aside, I'd recommend leaving fond memories as just those rather than trying to relive the past. People, locations and attitudes have changed and if you forcibly try to recreate the past, you will be disappointed. My best times have been spontaneous and the more I try to seek out or revisit good times the less successful I am.

Have a great trip. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2383190]I'm not aware of any 3rd party shows on Burgos beyond the house girls doing the bar girl shuffle up on stage.

As an aside, I'd recommend leaving fond memories as just those rather than trying to relive the past. People, locations and attitudes have changed and if you forcibly try to recreate the past, you will be disappointed. My best times have been spontaneous and the more I try to seek out or revisit good times the less successful I am.

Have a great trip. G.[/QUOTE]Oh, I don't forcibly try to recreate anything. I go with the flow. I can tell you now. Life begins at 80 years of age. Why? Cause you do not give a stuff, anymore. Go with the flow time. Never married, never indulged in drugs, never have taken Viagra or similar. I do not pay for Viagra to get an erection for a girl I have to pay to open her legs. Doesn't make sense to me.

Well, thanks for answering my query, will save me going to Manila and Burgos St.

Fun, its got to be fun.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2383135]Burgos St, yonks ago, had a Show Place bar. Choreographer, and girls really turned it on. Excellent entertainment, so much so, guys forgot to barfine and of course wanted to partake of the showgirls themselves.

Problem is, I forget its name. Is there a bar in Burgos St with a red hot 'show' these days? Might be the same one I visited some time ago. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Stardust possibly. Closed several years ago.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2383334]Stardust possibly. Closed several years ago.[/QUOTE]The name does not ring a bell. But I have 'hidden camera' video of it all, anyway.

Brings a smile to my face and triggers all the good times I had back in the day.

In Manila 23-25 Oct. Then Cebu for following week. Any wingman around ti show a newbie the way.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2383135]Burgos St, yonks ago, had a Show Place bar. Choreographer, and girls really turned it on. Excellent entertainment, so much so, guys forgot to barfine and of course wanted to partake of the showgirls themselves.

Problem is, I forget its name. Is there a bar in Burgos St with a red hot 'show' these days? Might be the same one I visited some time ago. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Jools Cabaret (5403 P. Burgos).

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2383525]Jools Cabaret (5403 P. Burgos).[/QUOTE]That's it!

Jools. Hiqh quality stuff, some time ago. Hope its the same nowadays.

Thanks for that.

Jools has been around a long time. Yes, they have quality, well rehearsed shows. One night a few years ago I saw their dancers perform to a medley of James Bond songs. It was quite a good show. Sadly however, the sexy little hostess girl I was drinking and making out with the whole night would not in the end barfine. She gave me her telephone number, but I never bothered to call her. She was a sexy little thing and her auntie was one of the dancers. I never went back to Jools after that night. Guess I was a little let down or something. Ha Ha.

A few months ago I heard they were closing their doors. I don't know if this is true or not and I don't really care.

****************************************************************

Stardust, on the other hand, was a more fun bar for me. They had a troupe of professional dancers too and IMHO, the Stardust dancers were a lot hotter. I lusted after a couple of them, but they were an allusive lot and I failed to make a connection. However, the stardust bar girls were a lot of fun in their own right too and the bar girls had the ability and talent, if you know what I mean, of taking my mind off the smokin' hot dancers whom I really wanted. It was sort of like the immortal Rolling Stones song:

"You can't always get what you want, But if you try sometime you find, You get what you need."

Only in this case I didn't have to try at all. As a result, I was never disappointed when I went to Stardust and always found a nice bar girl to take home. So, I was surprised and a little blue when I heard they were closing their doors. I thought Stardust was one of the better bars on Burgos just beneath Kojax, Plan B, and Bottoms in terms of bar girl quality, but it was also appropriately priced less than those 3 top tier bars, so I thought it held a good price point position on the street. Guess I was wrong. LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2383745] ..................Stardust, on the other hand, was a more fun bar for me. They had .........................[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Well I will try Stardust first, then my old mate Jools (if 'Dust does not satisfy).

And report back, comparing the two as at December 2019.

Stardust fun? Then I have to give it priority and see it first, LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2383745]Jools has been around a long time. Yes, they have quality, well rehearsed shows. One night a few years ago I saw their dancers perform to a medley of James Bond songs. It was quite a good show. Sadly however, the sexy little hostess girl I was drinking and making out with the whole night would not in the end barfine. She gave me her telephone number, but I never bothered to call her. She was a sexy little thing and her auntie was one of the dancers. I never went back to Jools after that night. Guess I was a little let down or something. Ha Ha.

A few months ago I heard they were closing their doors. I don't know if this is true or not and I don't really care.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that one of the dancers at Jools told me they will close at the end of this year.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2383875]
Stardust fun? Then I have to give it priority and see it first, LOL.[/QUOTE]Stardust was fun. Now it is closed. Furthermore Issaquah has just confirmed that Jools will close shortly. Somewhat an end of an era I suppose except they still have a number of bars on Fields in AC with dancers that put on shows. You probably know about them already.

And then there are the big international clubs (KTV's) along the bay with runways, shows, lots & lots of very pretty girls (dancers), private rooms, ect ect. Places like Air Force One, Liberty Island, Universe Girl Club. The names of some may have changed since I was last there, but the business model is always the same. These places are very expensive and somewhat similar to gentlemen clubs in BKK like the Pimp Club and much more entertaining IMHO than Jools ever was. Unfortunately, plan on spending 10,000 p or more with no guarantees you are going to get laid if you decide to go to one of these clubs.

Lastly, I think you would enjoy the Samba Club over in the EDSA Entertainment Complex. It is really just a regular Go Go bar except they have solo dancers taking turns on the stage. All the girls at Samba barfine. I found a real nice one there last time I was in town. I barfined her twice.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2383745]Stardust, on the other hand, was a more fun bar for me. They had a troupe of professional dancers too and IMHO, the Stardust dancers were a lot hotter[/QUOTE]Some of my Manila regulars are former Stardust premier dancers and have graced the Phils PG. Three other Stardust dancers are currently gogo bar massage girls in other Burgos bars. SD was a great low-cost barfine place. Getting the top-tier dancers to barfine was quite a trick.

Is there a place to buy legit Viagra in Makati area? I have a doctors note from my hotel doctor and they are happy to buy the medicine for me as well but their quoted cost is 1036 P per pill which I think is pretty high. Does this seem right? When I questioned them, they said that is the going price at both Mercury drug and Watsons. Unless I go generic, this is the price to pay. Can any of you confirm that this is the going price for a pill of Viagra 100 MG or should I go to a different pharmacy with my prescription?

Oops! Thanks for info folks. Nothing stays the same. Adapting to change is the key to success.

Bars are still a source of fun for me, but dating sites are the go nowadays it seems. Got to have patience for that, something I do not have a lot of.

Whichever one, fun, fun.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2384079]Some of my Manila regulars are former Stardust premier dancers and have graced the Phils PG. Three other Stardust dancers are currently gogo bar massage girls in other Burgos bars. SD was a great low-cost barfine place. Getting the top-tier dancers to barfine was quite a trick.[/QUOTE]Your telling me, ha ha. I tried to get 2 of those Stardust dancers and failed. Kudos to you for succeeding.

[QUOTE=Issaquah;2383979]I can confirm that one of the dancers at Jools told me they will close at the end of this year.[/QUOTE]Any intel that comes via a bargirl should always be considered to be dodgy. IME.

A) Any person running a business is not going to pre-warn staff. Many staff would jump ship for other employment.

B) bargirls are not in the decision making business.

PP.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2384028]Lastly, I think you would enjoy the Samba Club over in the EDSA Entertainment Complex. It is really just a regular Go Go bar except they have solo dancers taking turns on the stage. All the girls at Samba barfine. I found a real nice one there last time I was in town. I barfined her twice.[/QUOTE]Possible to divulge what you pay at Samba? Will be heading to EDSA in a couple weeks, first time!

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2384590]Possible to divulge what you pay at Samba? Will be heading to EDSA in a couple weeks, first time![/QUOTE]Sure, no problem. I paid 2500 p for the barfine and 2500 p to the girl. Samba is good bar with few real pretty girls. The owner is Italian I think. I met him one night. You should also check out Firehouse and Pitstop to see if you prefer any of their girls. EDSA is a friendly environment. All the bars are housed under the same roof.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2384997]Sure, no problem. I paid 2500 p for the barfine and 2500 p to the girl. Samba is good bar with few real pretty girls. The owner is Italian I think. I met him one night. You should also check out Firehouse and Pitstop to see if you prefer any of their girls. EDSA is a friendly environment. All the bars are housed under the same roof.[/QUOTE]Awesome man! There's a video on youtube of the place and it looks like good fun. Will definitely check out the places you mentioned.

For anyone who is knowledgeable about EDSA, what's the best time to go to ensure that the best ones haven't been taken already?

[QUOTE=Tachibana;2385271]Awesome man! There's a video on youtube of the place and it looks like good fun. Will definitely check out the places you mentioned.

For anyone who is knowledgeable about EDSA, what's the best time to go to ensure that the best ones haven't been taken already?[/QUOTE]7-7:30. But even then, a lot of guys have already reserved the best ones.

[QUOTE=BoyzRule;2384203]Is there a place to buy legit Viagra in Makati area? I have a doctors note from my hotel doctor and they are happy to buy the medicine for me as well but their quoted cost is 1036 P per pill which I think is pretty high. Does this seem right? When I questioned them, they said that is the going price at both Mercury drug and Watsons. Unless I go generic, this is the price to pay. Can any of you confirm that this is the going price for a pill of Viagra 100 MG or should I go to a different pharmacy with my prescription?[/QUOTE]There's a blog thread at the bottom of the Phils board about the Viagra dialogue. Although the last post was two months ago, there should be lots of good info there. Better yet, check out guys who have posted there and pm them. They'd probably give you details.

[QUOTE=BoyzRule;2384203]Is there a place to buy legit Viagra in Makati area? I have a doctors note from my hotel doctor and they are happy to buy the medicine for me as well but their quoted cost is 1036 P per pill which I think is pretty high. Does this seem right? When I questioned them, they said that is the going price at both Mercury drug and Watsons. Unless I go generic, this is the price to pay. Can any of you confirm that this is the going price for a pill of Viagra 100 MG or should I go to a different pharmacy with my prescription?[/QUOTE]Sounds high for the brand name. Suggest you go yourself to the pharmacy or better yet, just go generic.

I read the last several years worth of posts in preparation for my first trip to Manila and created a summary for myself by cutting and pasting posts from dozens of people. Thought that other first-timers might find this useful.

MANILA. GENERAL MONGERING INFO.

Two principal red-light districts in Manila, Makati (Burgos) and Ermita / Malate (EDSA). Makati is the financial center of Manila. Ermita is a bit sketchy. There are in fact 2 different price levels in Manila; in Burgos bars and EDSA you have to spend a total of around 6000 peso to get a girl LT. This is very high price for a third world country like Philippines, but the quality especially in some Burgos bars is really high and according to most reports also their performance in bed is top class. Freelancers in bars like LA Cafe, Havana Cafe, streets, other bars etc. Can be had for 1500 - 2500 peso LT. There is no need to pay any more and you HAVE to negotiate. I have pulled girls from bars and street and also Havana but I always start or counter with 1500 LT. If they decline I move on to the next one. I understand that if you meet a real diamond you want to stretch the budget, but if you are caucasian and not too old there is no need to pay more than 3000 peso LT no matter how hot the girl might be.

Hotels: Fairmont (first choice) and Peninsula Hotels (2nd) and Shanghai-La (3rd) are high end and guest friendly.

Grab is best, Uber doesn't work. Taxis may actually be cheaper.

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WeChat or Viber for texting.

For most high quality girls, plan to give at least 3000 pesos for all night.

5000 pesos = $96 USD.

4000 = $77.

3000 = $57.

2000 = $38.

1000 = $19.

MAKATI (BURGOS).

BURGOS STREET (higher price 6000 LT total): Kojax / XOXO (best looking? PlanB (tall slim girls?) and Bottoms (buxom girls with best in bar action?) are the top 3 clubs in P. Burgos Street. Also, look in Mirrors and Tickles.

There are another dozen or so clubs on this street. But the quality and quantity won't be as good. When I was here last, I had a great time in Kojax and PlanB. There is another sister club of Kojax named XOXO, where the girls share duties through the week. XOXO is on the ground floor and Kojax is on Level 1. Now on to pricing. The barfine at Kojax, XOXO and PlanB is set at 3500 pesos. The girl will expect another 3000 - 4000 pesos for her company and services. It is wise to discuss everything upfront to avoid an uncomfortable and disappointing exchange later. Drinks at the club are priced at 300 pesos I think, can't remember now. So you are looking at a total of 10 k pesos on a single night. Mirrors bar is also very good with beautiful girls and has happy hour with half price bar fine of 1950 (from 2-7 pm). Lower optics at Dimples and Bourbon (but still might be worth a look), which also have happy hour pricing. Went to Tickles and it was crazy as usual. 4 or 5 girls mobbing every guy, drinking, petting, grinding, and xxx if you wanted for drinks and tips. Asked about taking two girls but the mama wouldn't give a discount (3500 each for the bar plus 3000 tip each plus 1000 bar tab).

Costs for a Burgos bar girl in sequential order:

1. SML for monger = 200 PHP.

2. Lady drink for candidate 1 = 390 PHP.

3. Another lady drink for candidate 1 or for candidate 2 = 390 PHP.

4. Bar fine = 3,900 PHP.

5. Tips for waitress and mamasan = 100 PHP.

6. Dinner for girl after 1st pop = 1,200 PHP.

7. Girls payment LT = 4,000 PHP.

8. Girls taxi money = 200 PHP.

That makes a grand total of 10,380 PHP. In South Sea Pesos that's $346 or USD $207.

System: Buy one drink for yourself at minimum. If you want female company, you are expected to buy her a lady drink, which costs 2-4 times the price of your drink. If you want to take her home, you have to pay the bar fine, which is 10 times the cost of a lady drink. You can deduct the cost of lady drinks from the bar fine. BUT MAKE SURE YOU ASK THE MAMASAN FIRST. For example a common lady drink price is 390. The bar fine would be 3900. If you buy her 10 lady drinks, then the bar fine is waived. If you buy her 5 lady drinks, then 1950 is deducted from the bar fine. She will stay until morning, and you also have to pay her a tip between 2000-5000 depending on the girl. Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights are the best.

FREELANCERS NEAR BURGOS: Royal nightclub near Burgos is good for FL Called "freelance heaven". (3000 LT). XYLO at the Palace nightclub is good for younger FL.

[URL]https://www.thepalacemanila.com/xylo/[/URL]

GREENBELT 3: (lower price 1500-2500 LT) Cafe Havana is a business in Greenbelt 3 right beside Seattle's Best Coffee. Greenbelt is a mall set out in five buildings with a green park area in the middle. Freelancers hang out in the seating area outside the café, but communications may be little more than winks and smiles, because they don't want to be run off by the businesses. Beware of ladyboys hanging out at the fringes of the area. You might like this café area because it's not a loud bar scene. Also, near Glorietta's and opposite Shangri-la and the area near Starbucks is a freelance scene. P1500/2000 all night full sex.

ERMITA / MALATE (EDSA).

EDSA (higher price 5000 LT): A lot quieter than P Burgos and you will get a lot more attention from everyone. From my experience hands down hottest girls I found to be at EDSA, which opens at 7 pm. It's far from Makati which sucks. Best bar in EDSA is Cotton Club. I liked Firehouse and the Samba Club. Samba has gogo dancing. Great girls and slightly less expensive than my favorite 3 Burgos Bars.

LA CAFE (lower price 1500 LT-2500 LT): Parts of Ermita can be pretty dirty. Be careful, don't wear jewelry, and carry only enough money for food, drinks, and taxi if you need it. Walk confidently but always pay attention to your surroundings. A principal destination here is LA Café. Even if you don't like bars, every man should experience this meat market at least once. These are all freelancers, many are ugly, but with patience you can find some gems. Read back through the Manila thread for field reports from LA Café. I've always liked the place, but others see nothing but ugliness there. Prices here are probably a little higher than you suggested in your post, but don't be afraid to negotiate. This is a good place to go with a wingman. LA CAFE is cheapest and place of last resort. I don't particularly like LA Cafe, but it is a scene. My advice would be to take a look in LA Cafe around 1 am after you have barfined and enjoyed a ST session with an EDSA bar girl first. LA Cafe upstairs is much better. The price level at LA Cafe (among the cheapest in Manila): I always quote 1500 pesos and 80% of the girls will say OK. Some will not budge under 2000 peso, but they stay all night. I have actually never met a girl in LA Cafe that do ST. If the chemistry is reasonably good and she do not have work in the morning she will be happy to stay all night and share a breakfast with you in the morning. Do not forget that these girls are desperate for money.

ABACCA MASSAGE: Mabini Street, Malate. Walking distance from LA Cafe. Abacca Spa. 90 min with prostate massage 1200 p.

G POINT BAR: Many fewer women here, and I have been told the management discourages open soliciting. But there's no question there are freelancers here. You might be able to lure one to your table with an offer of food. Food's not great, but the servings are huge, and the women here will not turn up their noses at it. There are a few other smaller bars in Ermita with freelancers, but you need to spend time reading the forum to learn about them.

ROBINSON'S PLACE MALL: Near Starbuck's. Sitting at the tables at the railing, facing the atrium and upwards escalator, are 2 large, white columns (one on either side of the escalators). The mama and her girls are usually at the white column on your left as you face the escalator. She shows 11 am-12 noon, the only day she is not there is Sundays. She is hard to miss, she is flamboyant, late 30's, chubby, short light brown-reddish hair. She approaches many unaccompanied white men as they pass, and she will follow them up the escalator. She hugs, she cajoles, she insists you get her phone number (or give yours to her for an instant txt). If you have communication apps she can send you pics of her many girls. She usually has 2-3 girls standing in the atrium area (not necessarily at the white columns), often standing together between the white column and Starbucks. If both / all of her girls are gone with customers she has more in reserve on her phone (with pics). Also, just walk around and make eye contact with unaccompanied women. If they smile, they're probably available, because good Filipinas don't flirt with Westerners. Smile back; sometimes they will greet you. This is a giveaway. Just start talking to them.

NEAR THE AIRPORT.

Flight 168 Massage.

Flight 168 is definitely a full service bordello. The setup is very similar to a high end BKK Soapie. Basically, they offer customers a couple of different fishbowls each composed of different quality or different rated girls and Flight 168 prices their girls accordingly.

Customers also have a choice in the quality of room where they take the girl. I forget the names, but it's something like 1st class, executive class, and coach class. The 1st class rooms all have jacuzzi tubs. When I was last there the VIP class girls where located on the ground floor fishbowl, one floor beneath Airforce 1 and next to Flight 168's lounge area. 168's regular girls where somewhere else. All customers must enter the building and walk through the lobby of Airforce 1 in order to proceed to Flight 168. There will be a friendly host in the AF1 lobby to greet you and show you where you want to go.

I recommend that you take a look at the 1st class girl's fishbowl. It is not like they are all hot, but usually there are 2 or 3 girls that shine above the rest and more than meet my spec. And shagging a good-looking girl is the whole point of visiting a place like this if you ask me. The best time to come is around 7 pm to have the opportunity to select from widest assortment the prime-time girls. There used to be an early bird 1/2 price discount if you come before 5 pm. I don't know if that is still in effect. I think it might be.

Service in the 1st class rooms includes soapy jacuzzi time, BBBJ's, and covered sex on the bed. DFK, DATY & 69 depend on the girl and the vibe you establish with her. Service in the cheaper room is the same as in the more expensive room except that there will not be any jacuzzi fun time and the beds are smaller. I have had great sessions and just ok sessions in Flight 168, so no guarantees, but I never had a bad session. Thus I give the place a thumbs up and recommend it to you. I will add, however, that the hottest girls are in AF 1 not Flight 168. Ha Ha. But AF 1 does not get started until late and you better be prepared to spend well over 12,000 p if you want to shag an AF 1 girl.

The total cost (girl and room) in Flight 168 is between 5,000 p and 7,500 p. The bill is prepaid like at a BKK Soapy. But like I said, at Flight 168 the bill is broken down into its two component parts so you are charged for the room whichever room you select and charged for the girl whichever category girl you select. Credit cards are accepted. Tips to a girl for good service are voluntary, of course, but greatly appreciated.

Flight 168 also has a lounge area so you can relax before, after, or in between a session. They serve a buffet at certain times and a la carte food items at other times although it is not cheap. Any type liquor is obviously available. In any case, it would be very easy to spend 4 or 5 hours or longer in this bordello and shag a couple of girls while waiting for a flight. Depending on your flight times, I imagine an outside hotel might not be needed.

One thing I would add about Flight 168 (or pegasus, or classmates, etc) is that you want 2 pops to speak up before you start the deed (but after you enter the private room). In my experience, most girls are alright with 1,000 php for the first in addition to the standard 2,000 php tip. However, the first shot may be limited to just BJ so up to you to negotiate. Also to minimize haggling, I would also suggest that as you speak to the front desk person (either before or after you pick from the fishbowl) to say I've been here before and please tell the girl it's 2,000 php for tip. It's a pretty standard tip so really no need to pay more regardless of the type of room you pick.

AREAS TO EXPLORE.

Quezon Ave area: Kremlin Spa, Sylvanus Health Club, Heartbeat Mega KTV, Pegasus KTV, Classmate nightclub, QC Bar KTV.

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Very thorough study. To add a few more: price level might slight higher, cotton club in EDSA has closed but you can still find quite a few bars over there. Enjoy your visit!

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2387691]I read the last several years worth of posts in preparation for my first trip to Manila and created a summary for myself by cutting and pasting posts from dozens of people. Thought that other first-timers might find this useful.

Quezon Ave area: Kremlin Spa, Sylvanus Health Club, Heartbeat Mega KTV, Pegasus KTV, Classmate nightclub, QC Bar KTV.[/QUOTE]

Although I am a newbie on this forum, I am a senior member in my local area, with over 100 posts, so I have contributed much to my hometown.

I will be in the Philippines early next year and in preparation, I have not only RTFF, but cut and pasted many, many report excerpts for future reference. Having said that, it doesn't mean I don't have a stupid questions or three. Mainly because I can't find the specific answer to the question I have. Hopefully you guys can help.

Although I have never been (yet), I have a feeling that I may want to try working towards retiring there if I can make it happen, but I have much to learn and only 3 weeks to absorb as much info as I can while I am there.

Among the several questions I will be posting in the near future are:

1. Suggested itinerary.

I am not only going there to monger, but would like to be able to supplement my sightseeing itinerary with it. I have a mind to fly out from Manila the day after I arrive to Palawan, where I plan to visit El Nido, Port Barton and one or two other island in the area I haven't decided on yet. I am not sure how much time I should allocate to this.

From there to Negros to see White Beach and maybe a few other spots, then to Bohol, Cebu area and Sirgao. I will fly back to Manila with the plan to spend several days of pure mongering before flying back to Georgia.

I would like to know what itinerary you experienced guys would suggest to a newbie arriving on a Monday in Feb on a 3 week stay?

2. Time allocation /'winging' it.

I know that some areas of the Phil specifically want you to submit your itinerary before boarding a plane for that destination, but I want to be able to 'wing it' per se. I may fall in love with a certain area and decide to stay a little longer (or leave earlier if I don't like it). I may also want to change my itinerary spur of the moment as fresh info comes to me, and fly to a different island I hadn't thought about before when originally planning the trip in my cold basement back home.

Is it possible to purchase one-way tickets from island to island on a whim? Would enough seats be available to allow me to do this, or is this even allowed? Are some islands more flexible with this idea than others?

3. 'Girlfriend' availability.

I am sure this varies from island to island, but how doable is it to find a non-pro girlfriend on each island that will join me in my adventures without a dating app? I am in my early 50's, but I look much younger, as I have never been married and am not raising any kids. I am average height / somewhat fit build (w / a small gut), a "cute" face (according to my female coworkers), and I am a tad bit shy, but do have some game, (though not much, admittedly).

And if I need to use an app, then I don't want to spend too much effort on one that will not yield results. I am leaning towards PL, Tantan and DIA. Also, should I start working on this now, or do as I have read once or twice to not worry and just turn on the app when I am in the area locally and available?

4. Phone suggestion.

My Samsung Note 8 takes great pics and vids, and I know I need to get a burner with swappable SIM card when I arrive in-country. I would like to be able to take good quality pics / vids with whatever phone I get. Any ideas on this?

5. "Arrival announcements" thread.

Is this for meeting up with a wingman when you arrive in country? I believe I can trust a fellow monger even if I had not yet met them before, but the concept is odd to me. I could see setting myself up for trouble or possible robbery if I were to meet up with the wrong person. Am I again being strange? Maybe the monger community is far more of a brotherly fraternity than I would otherwise believe, and a forum member is a brother and a friend.

5. Safety and theft.

I may purchase a Pacsafe travelling bag for securing my goods in the room, because I am paranoid about staff being able to open the safe when I am away. Am I too paranoid? Have any of you guys had an issue with room safes, or do any of you use the Pacsafe bags? Do any of the cheaper places NOT have room safes, or is crooked hotel staff not something I should even bother worrying about?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated and I thank you all in advance for your replies.