Pattaya Reports

Standing under the walking street sign getting some fresh fruit and this indian woman asks me "which side is the beach on? I told her but thinking back it might have been safer for her to stay in her hotel room.

Struck gold today, 9 more days left in Pattaya and ran acorss a really hot 20 y 6 days new to Pattaya. Tight little body, first large size be's, great little ass and some good performance in the sack. Bit of a hairy Bush but I'm hoping when I take her long time (she agreed without asking for an amount) I'll be able to shave it off. I wanted to take her long time tonight but I'm just too fucked out, needed to sleep some before hitting the bars tonight.

I was in Patts two weeks ago. Soi 6 had tons of girls but the usual sifting process to find the gold. After looking at about 100 of them I would say, I found a tight bodied one with a slutty looking face. Just how I like them! Fantastic fluid emptying service, total price was 300 for the room, 1000 for the girl, 200 tip.

Bunch of buddies came into town and bought stuff off the street. One guy took a dose and passed out after his heart started racing, cold shower helped. Then his idiot buddy took another dose 2 days later and had to be assisted to the hospital. Risk your vacation on crap if you want.

[QUOTE=Ersnh;1714556]I was in Patts two weeks ago. Soi 6 had tons of girls but the usual sifting process to find the gold. After looking at about 100 of them I would say, I found a tight bodied one with a slutty looking face. Just how I like them! Fantastic fluid emptying service, total price was 300 for the room, 1000 for the girl, 200 tip.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Thailand in a few years. Planning on a July visit. Did tipping on soi 6 become the norm? Come on people? Tipping is not even part of the Thai culture. Stop it already. Unless she did an outstanding job of course and went beyond the call of duty. Absolutely stop.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1713434]RED car, Pier and Mixx can we unwelcoming for Indians most of the times. Even 808 has a fluctuating policy regarding Indians.[/QUOTE]Is it because they smell bad? Or is it because they are cheap skates and probably never pay up in the morning?

[QUOTE=SportMongr;1715152]I have not been to Thailand in a few years. Planning on a July visit. Did tipping on soi 6 become the norm? Come on people? Tipping is not even part of the Thai culture. Stop it already. Unless she did an outstanding job of course and went beyond the call of duty. Absolutely stop.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with you. I never tipping in soi6.

Soi 6 annual party in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=SportMongr;1715153]Is it because they smell bad? Or is it because they are cheap skates and probably never pay up in the morning?[/QUOTE]These places have no stake in freelancer's business. They do have a valid concern in non drink buying customers. It is for that reason I have been told in the past that they are kept out.

[QUOTE=SportMongr;1715153]Is it because they smell bad? Or is it because they are cheap skates and probably never pay up in the morning?[/QUOTE]To SportMongr.

They should just charge a cover charge like 200 bht included one drink that should stop all the cheapskate indian to look elsewhere.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1715224]Soi 6 annual party in a few weeks.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this.

The party will occur in the middle of my first visit to Thailand (Pattaya) and now, if nothing else, I can look forward to that too.

It's been twelve years since my last visit. Although I made annual pilgrimages to Thailand every year since I lived in Bangkok, for some reason I never visited Pattaya.

The sheer number of venues is overwhelming. There are so many gogos, beer bars, and freelancers you could spent a lifetime, and all your money, exploring it. I don't think soi LK Metro even existed last time I was here.

I wasn't even sure where to start. I figured Walking Street would be a good place, so I went there last night. The number of Chinese tourists in the street is ridiculous. I don't understand why they come here. Some guy randomly punched me in the stomach. One of the advantages of Angeles is that the only reason to go there is the girls, so you don't have to deal with tourists.

I visited quite a few bars. It's nice that many of them have cheap draft beer. There was a super hot totally naked dancer at Shark, but it was too early, so I moved on.

There are a number of lookers, but I seemed to be visiting bars for Japanese, where the girls are all dolled up, and don't give any attention. I wandered into Electric Blue. Some Japanese walked in, took a look, and walked right back out! There was a topless cutie there, and she was giving me some attention, so I bought my first drink of the night.

I employ a three strikes system when vetting bargirls. First strike was that she was from Sisaket, and I had just banged a girl from there. I'd prefer a different part of Isaan. Second strike was that she was 30. It's funny how back home I'd be all over a 30 year old for being so young. Here that is ancient. The final strike was her crazy 1,000 baht barfine.

I found a 23 year old cutie with no baby from Nong Kai at Crazy House. I took her to Insomnia, which I normally don't do, but it was my first night in town. That place is a donut fest! So many girls. The sex with her wasn't that great. Her barfine was 700, and she wanted 2,000/3,000ST / LT, making the price the same as Bangkok. I thought Pattaya was cheaper?

A weird episode leaving the disco at 3 am was when she said she wanted food, and demanded 1,000 baht. I refused. She stopped walking and did not look happy. She asked for 500, then 200. I offered to buy anything from the food carts, but she didn't want anything.

I should probably go after freelancers, which would be cheaper. But I can't get that Shark dancer out of my head.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1714383]
Struck gold today, 9 more days left in Pattaya and ran acorss a really hot 20 y 6 days new to Pattaya. Tight little body, first large size be's, great little ass and some good performance in the sack. Bit of a hairy Bush but I'm hoping when I take her long time (she agreed without asking for an amount) I'll be able to shave it off. I wanted to take her long time tonight but I'm just too fucked out, needed to sleep some before hitting the bars tonight.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you are having success. Where did you find your little gem?

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1715309]To SportMongr.

They should just charge a cover charge like 200 bht included one drink that should stop all the cheapskate indian to look elsewhere.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]




That would = their 1/6 share of a B.R. beauty!

Gogo bars provide a super normal stimulus. There is a row of near naked, often naked chicks dancing for you, and you have two hot chicks snuggling up to you one on each arm, then you let go of one of them to pinch the bottom of the nearest dancer.

But, of course, it is a totally fake experience. The girls there are doing a job they hate for money, and they are just going through the motions of being friendly. When you get them to your place, they just want to get sex done as fast as possible with the least possible contact. You are unlikely to get the girlfriend experience.

The more an environment corresponds to the natural mating dance, for example, Insomnia, where you have to have the courage to hit on girls who are giving you no indication of friendliness or welcome, and then warm them up, the more likely you are to get the real girlfriend experience when you take them back to your place.

Bars are in-between, with faked friendliness, that can sometimes be warmed up into something better.

At 2 PM, in a newly opened bar, full of bar girls with absolutely no male customers, I saw an incredibly hot bar girl. So I rolled up, bought myself a real drink, and her a lady drink (lady drinks consist of sweetened tea, possibly with one drop of rotgut Thai spirits. The girls get part of the price paid back to them) and chatted her up, and found, to my great disappointment, that she could not be barfined. She was, she explained, too valuable to the bar. Which hinted that in the early hours of the morning after the bar closed.

So I wandered off, thinking nothing of it, but kept noticing that no bargirls compared to her. So a few hours later, around seven or so, I went back to her bar, still the only male customer, bought a bottle of beer, did not buy any lady drinks, and nursed my one beer for a couple of hours, chatting her up.

Now I am more than forty years older than her, and fat, while she was young, and looked like model, and spoke good English.

All my old skills came back to me, I pretended a deep interest in her boring life and intuitive understanding of her nonexistent personality, I told her tall tales of my allegedly thrilling and interesting life, while I kept touching her hands, her arms, and pulling strands of her hair.

Girls think that when we touch their extremities with our extremities, we do so because we get a sexual kick out of it. But our sexuality is more tightly focused than theirs. The skin of their extremities is erotically sensitive, but the skin of our extremities is not. The real reason we touch them is that we get a thrill out of their sexual reaction to our touch, which reaction they are seldom aware of.

After a while, it became obvious that she was thrilled by my touch, or at least thrilled by the touch of the man I pretended to be, a globe trotting adventurer, philanthropist, and polygamist. (Yes, I laid it on with a trowel, just like in the old days, only with a bigger trowel) So when I was pretty sure I had her in the bag, I finished up my very slowly consumed beer, and left.

Later that night, about three quarters of an hour before her bar was about to close, I returned, purchased another beer, and continued my performance till closing time, and then we went back to my place. The other girls made jests about my extremely prominent erection, which held up the front of shorts like a tent pole.

Total cost, three beers, one lady drink, and a lot of tall stories, for a great girl friend experience.

Available girls everywhere you look. You just get done with a cutie, know you can't go again for some time and you see 5 more in the span of 30 seconds that suite your tastes. Go down to soi 6, if you can't find a dozen pretty nice looking girls in that group of 300 or so lining the street you might want to get your eyes checked. Go down soi 8 at night and the surrounding streets and look at all those beer bars. Then you have various beer bars spread left and right. I've been here over a week and have yet to make it to soi metro.

So I barfine this cute little girl from Laos, no green card so we had to sneak past the front desk without stopping. I'm sure they've seen it many times and if you do get stopped by the staff you'll be told its your own risk. So I think I'm done for the night, hit my fav gogo bar sapphire. I just love sitting there with a huge 90 baht draft over those tiny little things other places offer and I just offer lady drinks and ballons to any hot girl who will give me non stop lap dances and let me grab away. But by being generous you can't just say "that's enough" when the bill reach's your set limit. Two hours of drinking using runs 200 bahts for me and 800 for the girls drinks with non stop groping and lap dancing. Worth it in my opinion just to kill time.

So I leave and head over to another gogo bar to look around and in walks two gogo girls given the night off at sapphire. One of them was drunk off her ass and since I like a challenge I paid for their drinks and mine and took the drunk girl back to my hotel. A night I'll surely remember, her tongue deep down my ass, me fucking her 5 times throughout the night, barely getting a wink of sleep. Waking up with a hard on and just giving it to her while she slept. Blow job to finish things off before she stumbled out the front of my hotel. 2000 baht long time given and not a barfine that had to be paid.

I then head off this morning to get my usual massage, grab a baht bus and head down towards soi 8. Traffic got backed up right by soi 13'ish (the couple BJ bars there as well). And I spy this cutie sitting in a row of average older looking women. So hit the buzzer and jump off the bus, walk over and she's 5 feet nothing with some nice natural be's (looking like see's, these women know how to make themselves look bigger). She had the touch, that light playful erotic massage that went on the entire hour. Two hand jobs, serious groping by me. Her butt was amazing and those tits so soft. I'd give her a 9 in looks and a 20 in score for her erotic massage. 280 baht for the massage (why not 300?) and a 300 baht tip for her service (also should note her finger traveled up the dark tunnel for a bit).

Being a first time poster, hope the vets go easy on me on this one.

The follow are some notes that may help any newbies to avoid some traps that I fell into on this trip. After RTFF and having been to LOS many times but never ventured into Pattaya, I decided a trip this time to have a look for myself at what all the talk was about.

Before even landing in LOS I realised that I had booked the Pattaya section starting at the end of Songkran in Pats (Apr 18) so effectively wasted 2 days before starting but decided to carry on as it was my own stupid fault. Had booked the taxi from DMK to Pats through Mr T and the driver was waiting for me with the sign at the airport as arranged. The driver was courteous and drove safely to the hotel despite having to navigate the Songkran traffic into Soi 8 so I paid her the 1200 Baht with a good tip. Hats off to Mr T for the excellent service.

It was a toss up between Areca and Flipper Lodge when I booked the hotels but decided on Flipper because it was slightly cheaper but made sure I was in the new section of the hotel. The staff at the front desk were friendly and got through the check-in process in quickly so time for a hopefully a scout around the area wrong. Was dripping wet within 10 m of leaving the front steps and this was to continue until Mon "Mai Pen Lai" you have to experience Songkran at least once in your life. Managed to find a place for dinner then back to one of the bars in Soi 8 for some beers.

The next day was wet again only worse because it was a full on water battle. Managed to get walk down to Walking St in the evening (Beach Rd closed to traffic) and have a look around there. Walked into FLB and bought a beer only a few of the staff were around but were mainly intent on talking amongst themselves and protecting the sound equipment from getting wet. Tried to strike a conversation with one of the staff but she seemed to be disinterested so finished my beer, paid the tab and left. Would I repeat. Probably "ha-sib ha-sib". This was to repeat many times if you read comments below. Decided to drop into the Beer Garden had dinner and got talking with one of the waitresses who was genuinely surprised that I was not what I looked like (Asian extraction born overseas with Falang values). She informed me that she expected PRC spending patterns based on my looks explaining the FLB experience (this was discussed in detail on previous postings). Decided that the Beer Garden was good to become my regular lunch haunt and as it turned out one of the better chill-out places I have found in Pats. To all the BM's. Please note that the wait staff at the Beer Garden are exactly that and should be treated with respect as you will receive the same plus more in return like any person. A good tip here is always appreciated so please be generous and respectful to the staff unless you want to destroy a good thing for yourself.

Mon was back to normality or at least for Pats. Beer Bar for lunch, hotel for a nap before dinner and then the evening events. Decided to have a look at some of the agogos so popped into Private Dancer holy mother of $ at you have to be half deaf to go into this place or at least like your music at 120 Db. I have been around rock bands most of my life but. I bought a beer had 2 swallows, paid the tab and left all within 2 minutes of the music starting up. Would I repeat no comment. Decided to got to have a look at the Friendliest Bar in Pats, Windmill. After finding the place, walked up the steps and asked if it was full, the bouncers slammed the door in my face so I left I guess false advertising is not a crime in LOS. The "what you look like" experience again from above. Next place of discovery was Soi LK Metro so down to Champagne via motorcycle. This was same same as most gogos in LOS and nothing special so off to Crystal. Walked into this place, saw one customer, no girls on stage, no music so did the 180 and left. I was getting depressed this stage so decided to do the bucket list thing at the Den. Without going into all the details I think I would repeat with some changes like knowing what you exactly want etc etc. David the manager was professional and the girls did their thing so all in all a win win.

Tues was going to be a low-key day so after lunch at the Beer Garden dinner at Robin's Nest decided to look into Showgirls. This was the normal LOS gogo but some real stunners (8-9) amongst the providers and friendly without being obvious that they wanted your Baht. Sat here bought a few beers and rounds but decided to chill for the evening so wandered around the corner to Peppermints and got half way down when I heard this rift from The Cave that stopped me in my tracks. Was invited in by one of the owners who was sitting outside and we sat there the whole night just drinking and enjoying the licks and the music from the live band. This is a rock bar (no pop or blues) just very good rock music to chill albeit some vocal short comings but the band will play from 2030 to 0030 without a break so tips to the band are well received and a round is appreciated. Another gem for those who love "live" rock music so BM's check this place if you are of similar mind. I will certainly be a repeat customer.

Wed was nearing the end of stay in Pats so the usual lunch at the Beer Garden and dinner in one of the many Thai restaurants along Beach Rd decided to pick-up another.

Provider after some beers at The Cave. This time the bands recognised me from last night and the owner introduced me to his business partner so after a few rounds and a good tip for the band I made my excuses and left. Wandered into the Office although I remembered a few postings about this place but the brain was not switched on or was it the beer. Anyhow was accosted by #95 (forgot the name) and had a few rounds before negotiating a LT deal. Got back to the hotel and after an hour she wanted to leave (I guess this is the expectation of 333 again of which I am not). Ended up paying with a small discount just to get her out of the room so BM's be warned of this one at the Office. I guess this is a risk we all take and will just put it down to experience.

Next day off to the airport and on the way home so that was Pats from the eyes of a newbie and the next time hopefully will be a lot more bouquets rather than brickbats.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1715843]Gogo bars provide a super normal stimulus. There is a row of near naked, often naked chicks dancing for you, and you have two hot chicks snuggling up to you one on each arm, then you let go of one of them to pinch the bottom of the nearest dancer.

But, of course, it is a totally fake experience. The girls there are doing a job they hate for money, and they are just going through the motions of being friendly. When you get them to your place, they just want to get sex done as fast as possible with the least possible contact. You are unlikely to get the girlfriend experience.......



Later that night, about three quarters of an hour before her bar was about to close, I returned, purchased another beer, and continued my performance till closing time, and then we went back to my place. The other girls made jests about my extremely prominent erection, which held up the front of shorts like a tent pole.

Total cost, three beers, one lady drink, and a lot of tall stories, for a great girl friend experience.[/QUOTE]It doesn't sound like much of a seduction, when the bar lady didn't even go to your hotel room with you.

I suppose, socializing like this can be fun too. But this kind of an experience would be too frustrating for me to enjoy.

The thing about a hot, nearly naked go-go lady faking it with you is that you can make it pretty real for her in the private room. The lady will let you massage her pussy and clit and play around with it. And if you are good at it, then you will make the lady orgasm. Which is pretty real, as far as making it real for the lady goes.

Having a well-lubricated hand on the lady's pussy and clit beats talking with her. Because you can feel the lady's clitoral erection pointing in your direction, when you massage her pussy and clit. This isn't something the lady can fake, because a woman can't fake her clitoral erection any more than a guy can fake his erection.

The woman's clitoral erection isn't as visible as that of the guy. But you can feel certain parts of her pussy get really hard, when you massage her pussy with the flat of your hand.

The only thing is that you need to be good at massaging the lady's pussy. If you aren't doing it well, then she might not get any clitoral erection. Which is the same as for a guy not getting an erection. The lady needs to be good with him.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1716078]It doesn't sound like much of a seduction, when the bar lady didn't even go to your hotel room with you.

I suppose, socializing like this can be fun too. But this kind of an experience would be too frustrating for me to enjoy...[/QUOTE]You misread. I said that when her bar closed, WE went back to my place.

Can anyone post about contact of scooter rent providers in Pattaya?

I remember seeing some post on this couple of months ago, but unable to find it now.

If someone has contacts with rent charges reasonable, do post it.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Birdee;1715965]Being a first time poster, hope the vets go easy on me on this one.

The follow are some notes that may help any newbies to avoid some traps that I fell into on this trip. After RTFF and having been to LOS many times but never ventured into Pattaya, I decided a trip this time to have a look for myself at what all the talk was about.

Before even landing in LOS I realised that I had booked the Pattaya section starting at the end of Songkran in Pats (Apr 18) so effectively wasted 2 days before starting but decided to carry on as it was my own stupid fault. .[/QUOTE]There are those who love Songran. They include Thais but not all Thai people and even some Falang. But just as the planes coming to Thailand for "Water Festival" are full of tourists who are told about this bucket list experience (har-har! The planes leaving are also carrying many of expats who live at least some of the year in LOS. Vietnam or Cambodia were of my usual escape points and I once spent a very happy Songran in Indonesia. Laos and Burma practice water festival too with much water throwing but with less danger, at least that was the way it appeared when I used to live full-time in SE Asia.

There is not a lot you can do about looking Asian. But if you go to the parts of Thailand where there are still some mongering opportunities but less of the industrial vibe, I think you will avoid the issues with 333 and such nonsense. The secret is to get to know the ladies in quieter bars. That is, if bar ladies are what you are after. Even in Pats, you can go to the outlying bars where the music is not so loud and you can get to know the ladies.

An alternative is to go to the oily / massage places in places like Bangkok and other cities. Fixed prices, no nonsense. Personally, for bar ladies and FLs, I would go to the more quiet places. Hua Hin, for instance, or Ko Chang where the vibe is more easygoing and you can get to know the ladies first. And the ladies are less jaded and industrial in their outlook.

I will be in Pattaya 13 may can't wait have booked initially few nights in Sugar Sugar Soi LK metro anyone stay here before? Will visit. Soi 6 any fellow ISG members know good recent ladies there? Also I heard there is a Soi 6 party soon any ideas when? I hear there is bar complex called Blue Rahtree on Soi bukhao any ldea which end or how far from LK metro anyone been there? Is it with a visit? I will be in Pattaya from 13 may till 5 June any fellow members want drinking mongering. Company please give me cell phone number as I not get one till I get there look forward to some fun times.

Thanks

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;1716348]Can anyone post about contact of scooter rent providers in Pattaya?

I remember seeing some post on this couple of months ago, but unable to find it now.

If someone has contacts with rent charges reasonable, do post it.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Yes throw a stone and it will land on a scooter rental place. They are everywhere. If you rent short term, not much difference in the price from one to the other.

If you rent a scooter and ride it without a helmet, be prepared to be stopped on beach road by the police station. Sat in a bar next door and watched tourist after tourist being stopped, some even had helmets on and had to show paperwork. Amazingly no thai's pulled over, a motobike with an attached frame with there thai's all without helmets was stopped but just because the light went red and they didn't seem to be stopping. Cop let them go on after it went green.

[QUOTE=Simian;1716409]There are those who love Songran. They include Thais but not all Thai people and even some Falang. But just as the planes coming to Thailand for "Water Festival" are full of tourists who are told about this bucket list experience (har-har! The planes leaving are also carrying many of expats who live at least some of the year in LOS. Vietnam or Cambodia were of my usual escape points and I once spent a very happy Songran in Indonesia. Laos and Burma practice water festival too with much water throwing but with less danger, at least that was the way it appeared when I used to live full-time in SE Asia.

There is not a lot you can do about looking Asian. But if you go to the parts of Thailand where there are still some mongering opportunities but less of the industrial vibe, I think you will avoid the issues with 333 and such nonsense. The secret is to get to know the ladies in quieter bars. That is, if bar ladies are what you are after. Even in Pats, you can go to the outlying bars where the music is not so loud and you can get to know the ladies.

An alternative is to go to the oily / massage places in places like Bangkok and other cities. Fixed prices, no nonsense. Personally, for bar ladies and FLs, I would go to the more quiet places. Hua Hin, for instance, or Ko Chang where the vibe is more easygoing and you can get to know the ladies first. And the ladies are less jaded and industrial in their outlook.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comments Simian.

Loved the experience of SongKran but just once will suffice and points regarding the bars noted for the next time in Pats.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1715843]Gogo bars provide a super normal stimulus. There is a row of near naked, often naked chicks dancing for you, and you have two hot chicks snuggling up to you one on each arm, then you let go of one of them to pinch the bottom of the nearest dancer.

But, of course, it is a totally fake experience. The girls there are doing a job they hate for money, and they are just going through the motions of being friendly. When you get them to your place, they just want to get sex done as fast as possible with the least possible contact. You are unlikely to get the girlfriend experience.

The more an environment corresponds to the natural mating dance, for example, Insomnia, where you have to have the courage to hit on girls who are giving you no indication of friendliness or welcome, and then warm them up, the more likely you are to get the real girlfriend experience when you take them back to your place.

Bars are in-between, with faked friendliness, that can sometimes be warmed up into something better.

At 2 PM, in a newly opened bar, full of bar girls with absolutely no male customers, I saw an incredibly hot bar girl. So I rolled up, bought myself a real drink, and her a lady drink (lady drinks consist of sweetened tea, possibly with one drop of rotgut Thai spirits. The girls get part of the price paid back to them) and chatted her up, and found, to my great disappointment, that she could not be barfined. She was, she explained, too valuable to the bar. Which hinted that in the early hours of the morning after the bar closed.

So I wandered off, thinking nothing of it, but kept noticing that no bargirls compared to her. So a few hours later, around seven or so, I went back to her bar, still the only male customer, bought a bottle of beer, did not buy any lady drinks, and nursed my one beer for a couple of hours, chatting her up.

Now I am more than forty years older than her, and fat, while she was young, and looked like model, and spoke good English...[/QUOTE]Red Dogger,

You think your were playing her. But she is a a professional man manipulator. Her job is to make you think she likes you and get you to barfine her. You don't need pick up skills to pick up a hooker. They are a sure thing. But, I enjoyed your story.

Fresh from working in Chang Mai, I score anotherr Pattaya virgin on soi 6. Walking down the soi, knowing if I don't spot something my girl will be working towards the end of the strip. So I stop for a beer at a very open bar, open on 2 corners and sit upfront waiting for something to catch my eye. Didn't take all of 30 seconds but damb I bought a beer so had to finish it before walking over. Gave her the eye as I walked past her and she gave me a slap on the ass, contact has been made. Offe, red her a drink and before you know it her hand was on my johnson, game on. Took her upstairs and that's when the fun really started. Its well known on other boards that old breadman is a packing and some of these little thai spinners just aren't ready or willing to take such a ride. But damb if it wasnt' the other way around today, I got ridden for all that she could muster while screaming at the top of her lungs. Started off slowly, got her used to the size. About ten minutes later I started in on the hard rep's and then backing off, then sticking it in all the way very slowly, getting her used to the length.

So we are going away at it and I got her on her back, then grabbed her knee's and I stood up so I was a good 2 feet above her. Then started curling her up into my dick as much as she could take. Then backed off a bit, set her back down and the next position is hard to describe but imagine a girl going under a limbo stick while being fucked. Sorta like me almost sitting and her almost squating and then I rise up a bit so all that's supporting her is my dick going in and out (and my hands on her hips). Then its just pulling her into and pushing her away to get the rhythm going. Now we are at the halfway point, time to see if her reaction to the marathon is just a performance or is she really an athlete. Took her from limbo to on top by shooting my feet out under her and see if she can ride the stallion. And ride she did, even reverse twist on the dismount. Screaming all the way. I know the music on soi 6 is loud but can't help think someone outside and downstairs heard the commotion. She finished me off with a fantastic blow job, much better than at the start of the session.

Will repeat. And repeat. Will also miss my other girl down the soi.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1716345]You misread. I said that when her bar closed, WE went back to my place.[/QUOTE]You didn't say anything about having sex with her. And your accounting for the cost of it all didn't include you paying for the girl. Which implied to me that you didn't get to be intimate with the lady.

I find it hard to believe that one of the best-looking ladies in Pattaya would do it for free with you. It just doesn't work that way there. Because it's like an insult for the lady in question, according to Thai culture. You not paying her is like you taking advantage of her in a bad way.

Payment is so important for Thai ladies in terms of their self-respect and social status among others that they can even lie and exaggerate to their friends how much money the guy gave them for spending the night with them.

This much I gathered, when I was staying in rural Thailand. Because there they have P4P women too sleeping with Thai men. My lady asked some of these P4P ladies how much money Thai men give them. The price they said was about the same as farangs pay in Pattaya. But my lady had a hard time believing it, because Thai men in rural Thailand don't usually have this kind of money. She thought that these ladies were exaggerating to make themselves look good in front of others.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1716935]You didn't say anything about having sex with her. And your accounting for the cost of it all didn't include you paying for the girl. Which implied to me that you didn't get to be intimate with the lady.

I find it hard to believe that one of the best-looking ladies in Pattaya would do it for free with you. It just doesn't work that way there. Because it's like an insult for the lady in question, according to Thai culture. You not paying her is like you taking advantage of her in a bad way.

Payment is so important for Thai ladies in terms of their self-respect and social status among others that they can even lie and exaggerate to their friends how much money the guy gave them for spending the night with them.

This much I gathered, when I was staying in rural Thailand. Because there they have P4P women too sleeping with Thai men. My lady asked some of these P4P ladies how much money Thai men give them. The price they said was about the same as farangs pay in Pattaya. But my lady had a hard time believing it, because Thai men in rural Thailand don't usually have this kind of money. She thought that these ladies were exaggerating to make themselves look good in front of others.[/QUOTE]Really? I met a girl on skout, offered to buy her dinner and drinks, which I did. Took her to insomnia and mixx afterwards and then back to my hotel. The next day I gave her 100 baht for taxi (basically coming and going). And she's coming back tonight and probably tomorrow. I do plan on giving her 1000 baht and a few presents, plus another round of beers at Insomnia to losen her up.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1716943]Really? I met a girl on skout, offered to buy her dinner and drinks, which I did. Took her to insomnia and mixx afterwards and then back to my hotel. The next day I gave her 100 baht for taxi (basically coming and going). And she's coming back tonight and probably tomorrow. I do plan on giving her 1000 baht and a few presents, plus another round of beers at Insomnia to losen her up.[/QUOTE]When you meet a girl on the street and not at the bar or some other such place, then she might be desperate for money and any kind of help. If you are paying for her food and entertainment and give her a little money too, then this might be better for her than nothing at all.

But you not paying her as much as guys normally pay is simply you taking advantage of her. It's not something to be proud of.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1716943] I do plan on giving her 1000 baht[/QUOTE]This I consider a daily rate for LT, plus expenses.

I have read mixed reviews about the way Thais treat Indians. Please throw some light! Is it true that some go go bars bar entry to Indians! This is really disgusting. I have more or less same living standard and income of a German or American middle class men. Sure enough I have 30/35 k Thai bahts to spend on the girls. Please advise should I go to Pattaya for a good time or should I look elsewhere?

I agree some of my countrymen are disgusting but good and mannered people surely outnumber them by huge numbers. Particularly now a days some Indians got huge money in their pocket just because of real estate boom but never learnt how to be a mannered guy!

I lived in Japan and Singapore and never faced any racial discrimination. So guys please advise here!

Also please share your experience of Indian dance bars in Pattaya!

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;1716987]This I consider a daily rate for LT, plus expenses.[/QUOTE]What you consider and what you get quoted are probably in different ballparks. Good luck with getting LT for a thousand baht.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1716899]Red Dogger,

You think your were playing her. But she is a a professional man manipulator. Her job is to make you think she likes you and get you to barfine her. You don't need pick up skills to pick up a hooker. They are a sure thing. But, I enjoyed your story.[/QUOTE]But I did not barfine her. Would have if I could have, but since she knocked back a barfine after accepting a lady drink, I was reduced to more laborious methods.

Every other woman I had in Pattaya, I paid more than the going rate, or the going rate plus a large tip. This one was more difficult.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1716899]Red Dogger,

You think your were playing her. But she is a a professional man manipulator. Her job is to make you think she likes you and get you to barfine her. You don't need pick up skills to pick up a hooker. They are a sure thing. But, I enjoyed your story.[/QUOTE]I am sure she expected a generous tip, and I intended to tip her generously. But when my regular Thai holiday girlfriend turned up in the morning, and I was trying to get a threesome, she quietly slipped away.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1716899]Red Dogger,
You think your were playing her. But she is a a professional man manipulator. Her job is to make you think she likes you and get you to barfine her. You don't need pick up skills to pick up a hooker. They are a sure thing. But, I enjoyed your story.[/QUOTE]I think that Red Dogger would generally agree with you, but [B]that was not the 'thrust' of his post![/B].

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1715843]{S N I P}I returned, purchased another beer, and continued my performance till closing time, and then we went back to my place. {S N I P}
Total cost, three beers, one lady drink, and a lot of tall stories, for a great girl friend experience. [/QUOTE]His story was that he did not pay the bar fine, but still succeeded in getting a GFE with the WG.

So, the point you made may be generally correct, but is irrelevant: [I]"You don't need pick up skills to pick up a hooker"[/I]. But you do need skills to get a freebie GFE with a WG, (and perhaps also to comprehend some of the posts on ISG)!

BTW I am not saying that I agree with Red Dogger's ideas.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1717077]What you consider and what you get quoted are probably in different ballparks. Good luck with getting LT for a thousand baht.[/QUOTE]Was my daily rate for my LT (28 yrs, 6-7), travelling with me to various islands in October, for 2 weeks.

But she charged the same for the first night only.

So, I do not need luck. Have good enough manners instead.

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1717040]I have read mixed reviews about the way Thais treat Indians. Please throw some light! Is it true that some go go bars bar entry to Indians! This is really disgusting. I have more or less same living standard and income of a German or American middle class men. Sure enough I have 30/35 k Thai bahts to spend on the girls. Please advise should I go to Pattaya for a good time or should I look elsewhere?

I agree some of my countrymen are disgusting but good and mannered people surely outnumber them by huge numbers. Particularly now a days some Indians got huge money in their pocket just because of real estate boom but never learnt how to be a mannered guy!

I lived in Japan and Singapore and never faced any racial discrimination. So guys please advise here!

Also please share your experience of Indian dance bars in Pattaya!

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Hi bro,

It's true. Indians would be treated differently at Pattaya Been there a year back and felt not to go back to Pattaya again. We 3 friends had close to 100 k baht to spend but not a single go go in walking street gave us the entry. Our brothers have created this reputation believe me they have the capability to drink a 60 baht beer for a whole night in a go go and no wonder they don't let us in. I was just noticing a group if Indians haggling with a WG for 10 minutes and after some a Japanese came exchanged couple of words and they left together. In places where things are costly and you definitely have to spend money you'll not have any problems entering. Massage parlors. Clubs with entry fee.

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1717040]I have read mixed reviews about the way Thais treat Indians. Please throw some light! Is it true that some go go bars bar entry to Indians! This is really disgusting. I have more or less same living standard and income of a German or American middle class men. Sure enough I have 30/35 k Thai bahts to spend on the girls. Please advise should I go to Pattaya for a good time or should I look elsewhere?

I agree some of my countrymen are disgusting but good and mannered people surely outnumber them by huge numbers. Particularly now a days some Indians got huge money in their pocket just because of real estate boom but never learnt how to be a mannered guy!

I lived in Japan and Singapore and never faced any racial discrimination. So guys please advise here!

[/QUOTE]From my observation, and from what bar girls have told me, they don't like Indian men who travel in packs. It's unsettling for them (bar girls) since Indian men have a reputation for non-consensual gang bangs.

I have been to Thailand like three times I had faced issue when I was traveling with my friend! If your an Indian solo traveling would be the best thing to do especially if you are in Thailand! Dress well present yourself learn to be polite smell good, wear your shoes and keep smiling, bottom line dress well as if your going to work or meet your GF and avoid Indians who come in packs I guarantee you won't face any discrimination issues! Last couple of times I traveled solo it was the more memorable trip ever I met few hot chicks only issues I faced was that I choose to stay in a two star hotel all the hottie I banged kept complaining and insist on moving to a better place I always shove my dick in their mouth when they keep complaining problem solved!

So good luck and in [URL]agoda.com[/URL] some hotels in Pattaya and Bangkok deny booking if one have an Indian passport! So yes you are right we Indians are discriminated everywhere in fact I learned to live with it! If they don't like me I always smile and walk away some hot chicks I met in the bar and disc won't go with you if your an Indian so I always tell them I'm Arab good gracious lord I sometimes look like them!! So good luck!! Thailand is filled with beautiful angels sent from above to please horny men like us!

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1717040]I have read mixed reviews about the way Thais treat Indians. Please throw some light! Is it true that some go go bars bar entry to Indians! This is really disgusting. I have more or less same living standard and income of a German or American middle class men. Sure enough I have 30/35 k Thai bahts to spend on the girls. Please advise should I go to Pattaya for a good time or should I look elsewhere?

I agree some of my countrymen are disgusting but good and mannered people surely outnumber them by huge numbers. Particularly now a days some Indians got huge money in their pocket just because of real estate boom but never learnt how to be a mannered guy!

I lived in Japan and Singapore and never faced any racial discrimination. So guys please advise here!

Also please share your experience of Indian dance bars in Pattaya!

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1717684]I have been to Thailand like three times I had faced issue when I was traveling with my friend! If your an Indian solo traveling would be the best thing to do especially if you are in Thailand! Dress well present yourself learn to be polite smell good, wear your shoes and keep smiling, bottom line dress well as if your going to work or meet your GF and avoid Indians who come in packs I guarantee you won't face any discrimination issues! Last couple of times I traveled solo it was the more memorable trip ever I met few hot chicks only issues I faced was that I choose to stay in a two star hotel all the hottie I banged kept complaining and insist on moving to a better place I always shove my dick in their mouth when they keep complaining problem solved!

So good luck and in [URL]agoda.com[/URL] some hotels in Pattaya and Bangkok deny booking if one have an Indian passport! So yes you are right we Indians are discriminated everywhere in fact I learned to live with it! If they don't like me I always smile and walk away some hot chicks I met in the bar and disc won't go with you if your an Indian so I always tell them I'm Arab good gracious lord I sometimes look like them!! So good luck!! Thailand is filled with beautiful angels sent from above to please horny men like us![/QUOTE]And that my friend, what you just said, is part of the reason Indians are descriminated against. The girls are not sent to please you they are there to make a living and you my friend and all of us are PAYING customers. A means to an end. Rule number 1) treat them like you treat a real woman.

They are definitely not sent anywhere for your pleasure.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1717944]And that my friend, what you just said, is part of the reason Indians are descriminated against. The girls are not sent to please you they are there to make a living and you my friend and all of us are PAYING customers. A means to an end. Rule number 1) treat them like you treat a real woman.

They are definitely not sent anywhere for your pleasure.[/QUOTE]Seen how they treat their women? Or the discrimanant treatment of so called lower classes?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1718039]Seen how they treat their women? Or the discrimanant treatment of so called lower classes?[/QUOTE]Agreed.

Bad example from my side.

My suggestion [B]OnlyOneLife[/B] would be to try and hook up with a farang Anglo or local Thai wingman. Otherwise you have gotten good advice: Dress neatly, be polite, and avoid packs.

SL.

I think you are high I always treat my women right no matter where I'm I always pick up girls from the bar pros and non pros I consider women as the second most beautiful thing that God has ever created! And nothing is going to change that, in pattaya and Bangkok I met few girls who never demanded money to sleep with me! I consider myself very lucky to be with such beautiful women!

[QUOTE=Moegy;1717944]And that my friend, what you just said, is part of the reason Indians are descriminated against. The girls are not sent to please you they are there to make a living and you my friend and all of us are PAYING customers. A means to an end. Rule number 1) treat them like you treat a real woman.

They are definitely not sent anywhere for your pleasure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1718201]I think you are high I always treat my women right no matter where I'm I always pick up girls from the bar pros and non pros I consider women as the second most beautiful thing that God has ever created! And nothing is going to change that, in pattaya and Bangkok I met few girls who never demanded money to sleep with me! I consider myself very lucky to be with such beautiful women![/QUOTE]Great to hear. Thank you for the clarification.

Pattaya Report – Day 1, Arrival (May 9).

This report is a continuation of my initial Bangkok Report followed by my Phuket Report. Experienced Pattaya travels can skip this day's report. I did no mongering, and am only recording what I did upon leaving Phuket and some of my experiences, thoughts and observations on the evening of my arrival in Pattaya.

I checked out of the see&and hotel in Phuket at noon. I had them arrange transportation to get me to the airport for my Bangkok Airways trip to Pattaya (UTP). The cost was 700 be, and it took about 45 minutes. Flight 282 was to leave at 3:15, but it was delayed and didn't depart until about 4:30. UTP is pretty small, so deplaning was fast and it only took a few minutes for the luggage to appear.

One thing I was a bit concerned about was getting transportation into town. I had emailed my hotel to ask what they recommended, but never got a reply. Well, I should not have worried. After you collect your baggage, you go through the exit doors and to either side of you will be girls telling you to come get a taxi ticket for 250 be. They are not really taxi's, but mini-buses. They hold 9 or 10 passengers, and you simply tell the driver your hotel, then he drives to Pattaya and drops you off, one by one. Piece of cake. I think they also have regular taxis there that will take you directly to your hotel. Not sure what the taxi fare would be, but I read (but didn't confirm) it was set by law to 700 be. A taxi would be a bit faster unless you happen to be the first one off. I was the third stop, which wasn't bad, but with the late departure from Phuket, we arrived in Pattaya after dark in Saturday night, high congested traffic. Because of that, it took around 75 minutes to get to my hotel.

I chose to stay at the Dynasty Inn due to its central location and, perhaps most importantly, it is a non-smoking hotel. Also, it has been well reviewed here on the Pattaya Hotels board, e. G. Meaning it is girl friendly. I will note that on the hotel maps, the hotels seem like distinct entities easy to get to and identify, but in reality Pattaya, like Phuket and even Bangkok, is one continuation of structures with no open spacing. If there is a square foot of open space, it will be filled up. So I was totally disoriented when I arrived. The driving dropped me off and I was looking for the hotel. It was down an alley and I didn't see it at first! In fact, on the map, it appears that to get to the beach from the Dynasty Inn, one has to walk in a northern or southern direction, then turn on a side street and walk to the end. In actuality, you just exit the hotel, hang a left and walk a ways and you are there. Very easy, but don't forget the street (Soi 13 for me) or you can get lost.

Check in was easy and when I got to my room I was very pleasantly surprised. I will later report in the Pattaya Hotel review board more about it, but it has a real shower and it has drawers, so I was able to unpack! It does have that blasted magnetic dongle attached to the mechanical room key that removes power to the room when you leave, but at least the A / see cools the room quickly and you can control the speed of the fan. But still no wash cloths! What is up with that?!

Anyway, when unpacked, I headed out to get the lay of the land. I headed to Beach Road, which was very congested with motor vehicles and people. I turned towards Walking Street, which wasn't an unpleasant walk in the relative cool of the evening. I walked pretty much the entire length, taking it all in. I was saying "Wow, I am here" to myself, but becoming a bit overwhelmed. Phuket did not quite prepare me for the sheer magnitude of it all. And while Phuket had mostly open bars where the dancers were in full sight, all of that was now inside so only the girls out front trying to lure you inside were visible. And there were a lot. I nearly forgot about the Soi's (sidestreets), and after I turned back at the end, I randomly went down one. The street I chose was not busy at all, and I walked the entire length to, what, Second Street?, then turned back around. I let some guys hustle me inside one bar that looked promising as I was getting thirsty and was curious. It was small and there were 6 girls up on a small stage dancing (2 topless), and a few more sitting down, but I was the only guy there! I ordered a coke, but felt really self-conscious being the only one and really not wanting to bar fine anyone yet. Before I finish my coke, a girl sits next to me. She is pretty enough and I let her get a LD (185 be for whatever she got). He English was poor so it was difficult to talk. She drank half and asked if I wanted to dance. I declined, then she left to go to the stage and dance with the other girls! What's up with that? Aren't you allowed to skip your turn if a guy bought you a LD, especially when he is the only dude there? I was about the leave anyway, but I was a little upset at her leaving me to dance on the stage, so I paid my bill and left. Sheesh. Sorry, I don't know the name of the bar, so maybe I am wasting bandwidth mentioning it as the info can't help anyone. (If I go back by there I will get the name and post it so you can chose to avoid them if you wish.) As I was leaving, another guy stuck his head in, seeing nothing going on, left. I should have done that too I suppose. I don't want to sit and drink when I where the girl to guy ratio is 10:1 and I am expected to buy LDs. But, indeed, there were a couple of really good looking girls in there, and with the assumption they were available for take-out, may have given a good deal. But, it was barely past 9 PM, so the evening was young.

I was tired by this time and wasn't sure if I really felt like doing any mongering. A night of rest might do me good. I kept an open mind and decided to head back to my room buy walk on the beach side this time. There were quite a few obvious FLers out. Some were very cute, but there were LBs in the midst. One girl I was eying first spoke to guy in front of me, and sounded liked she might have been a he. Sure didn't look like a LB, but didn't quite sound like a girl either. A few girls eyed me and a couple said Hi, but none I found attractive enough.

I was tired and reasoned that I could shower and take a nap then head back out around midnight. However, I slept and didn't wake up until after 2 AM, which would have been ok probably to look for stragglers, but I was comfortable in my soft bed and didn't. Perhaps I should have, as after that I seemed to keep waking up every 15 minutes and was having some strange dreams. But that brings us to Day 2.

I will close day 1 with the observation that a few days in Phuket does not really prepare you for Pattaya. The situation is different. Phuket is small scale, but more intimate I would say. I mean, I won't be making friends with some of the girls standing in front of the bars, or sitting down and playing games with one of them. I won't be walking up and down Walking Street 10 times in the night. But, the potential here is so much greater. I am interested in how it will all turn out!

I am so sick of walking into Go-Go bars that are nothing more than: Bikini Dancers, Fashion Shows, Coyote no-show no-go's! I can see much more and better even in America! The Prude Policia are ruining the Pussy Play-ground here!

So I found a few that still have some hot chicks, that still go full-nude, not just for scheduled show-time of dubious value! Not Just topless, but full-nude, what a concept for strip clubs!

Please no BS lectures of "its Illegal" s so is prostitution but, well you know what! Just please no unwanted and un-needed advice or opinions like I get on other T-land BS forums of boring arse Farang retirees here.

Just share the list here or one or more, or in a PM, would be greatly useful and appreciated! Thanks so much in advance! May the Saint & Guardian Angels of Mongering Maestros be with those who do!

Mucho Gracias! And Munch sum GUcchi. Good Luck, stay safe! Screw the Prudes killing this dream-land, trying to make it family and prude friendly, like Vegas did and died, the same will or is happening here!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1718486]
I chose to stay at the Dynasty Inn due to its central location and, perhaps most importantly,
SNIP
But still no wash cloths! What is up with that?![/QUOTE]Thanks for the nice report Hawk!

Glad to hear you chose the Dynasty Inn, one of my favorite hotels.

I've never seen wash cloths in any hotel in SE Asia. I always bring my own.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1718201]I consider women as the second most beautiful thing that God has ever created![/QUOTE]OK, I'll bite. What is "the most beautiful thing"?

IAmRamesh86. Good come back, clearly some people responding have issues with Indians. Most likely without having met any.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1718201]I think you are high I always treat my women right no matter where I'm I always pick up girls from the bar pros and non pros I consider women as the second most beautiful thing that God has ever created! And nothing is going to change that, in pattaya and Bangkok I met few girls who never demanded money to sleep with me! I consider myself very lucky to be with such beautiful women![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;1718618]IAmRamesh86. Good come back, clearly some people responding have issues with Indians. Most likely without having met any.[/QUOTE]It seems that you lack the sufficient comprehension skills to understand that this conversation has nothing to do with Indians and is more about how you look and treat these girls.

And trust me I've met enough Indians in pattaya to stereotype all I want. But I know that anyone from anywhere can be a douche bag.

I think if your looking for the playground fights forum you should visit the Disney forum or something.

Cheers.

Moegy. Good to hear. Thank you for the clarification.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1718624]It seems that you lack the sufficient comprehension skills to understand that this conversation has nothing to do with Indians and is more about how you look and treat these girls.

And trust me I've met enough Indians in pattaya to stereotype all I want. But I know that anyone from anywhere can be a douche bag.

I think if your looking for the playground fights forum you should visit the Disney forum or something.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1717040]Also please share your experience of Indian dance bars in Pattaya! [/QUOTE]Hope this helps. Tony's Disco on Walking Street.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klALmrhyDQI[/URL]

Anyone know the name of this song? Too distorted for Shazam to trace.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1718734]Hope this helps. Tony's Disco on Walking Street.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klALmrhyDQI[/URL]

Anyone know the name of this song? Too distorted for Shazam to trace.[/QUOTE]Haha, didn't think this kind of music would appeal to others.

Here's the youtube link to the song [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdf5NofgGfU[/URL]. Although I believe the OP was asking about the Indian dance bars in Pattaya and not Marine disco which is a "disco" frequented largely by Indian mongers.

Just for fun I checked out a couple of these "dance bars" located on 2nd Road and they were loud and not that much fun. I had to quickly make my exit after the first beer. Fully clothed, standard dancing and Indian music (loud) describe the scene. Best to avoid, and there are touts on beach road and 2nd Road who will approach Indian mongers to come visit their great "dance bar" but it is a waste of time. I can't comment on ST / LT.

Pattaya Day 2.

I woke up not really sure what time it was. For some reason, I kept waking up during the night, not sure why, to some strange dreams. When I finally decided to roll out of bed it was 9 AM. I decided a prime task I needed to accomplish was to get some laundry done. I could have the hotel do it, but they charge too much so my task was to continue to explore my surroundings while searching for a little Thai place to do my laundry. A secondary task was to exchange some more dollars for Bhats. A third task was to check out some massage place.

It took some exploring, but I found a couple of laundry places. The one I will use is on Soi 13/3, where I saw actual people ironing stuff. Two other places I saw just seemed to provide a service, where I presume they sent the clothes out to be done. This place seemed to do it right there on site, though all needed a full day to get the laundry returned. I forgot to take a copy of my passport with me, so I didn't exchange any money, though in Phuket they didn't ask me for my passport. In the airports, at least, they do.

In my walking around I stepped over the beach side of Beach Road, and a lady who looked to be 60 asked me for boom boom. Sheesh, who wants to boom boom a 60 year old? Oh, I am 60! Well, who wants to PAY to boom boom a 60 year old? Haha I think there were a few others FLers out, but I wasn't interested. I noticed tons of massage places nearby, a few with some not-too-bad women.

I went back to my hotel room, worked on the above part of this report, then headed back out, with a copy of my passport and my dirty laundry. I exchanged money but was having trouble finding 13/3. 13/1 and 13/2 were fine, then I walked and walked and no 13/3. Did I miss it? I turned around and came back to 13/2. Strange how the streets are named. Soi 13, then 13/1, then 13/2 close by, then walk forever and pass a few streets with no names, and still no 13/3? What the heck? I turned around and found a Chinese laundry place on 13/2 so I just dumped my laundry there. They said it would be ready late the next afternoon. Fine. (As it turns out, 13/3 was just a little further down, but the place I really had wanted to drop it off at was on 13/1, and not on 13/3 as I had thought! There was one on 13/3, but not the one I was thinking off. To make this entire comical matter more comical, when I came back from my rounds, right across the Soi from my hotel was a laundry place! I had waked miles trying to find a laundry place and I had failed to notice the one that was right in front of me!

With my laundry dumped off and money in my pocket, was getting hungry but wanted to continue to explore. I was interested in the oft mentioned massage places on Soi 6, where reports indicated lots of full service places. I walked on to Second Road and hailed one of those blue pickup truck taxis for 10 be. I was following the streets. Soi 9, then Soi 8, then Soi 7 so right before Soi 6 I rang the buzzer and got off. Well, I have no idea what the next street was but is wasn't Soi 6! I kept walking, and walking to I finally got there. Again, what is up with these roads? (Later checking Google Earth, I find that Soi 6 is nearly half a mile from Soi 7!) My feet were getting tired by the time I got to Soi 6, where I found not that many massage places afterall, but lots of bars with pretty women out front. Being one of the few men walking down the street, I was open game and got lots of calls to come in. Most all of the massages places were at the beach end of Soi 6. I turned around and a pretty girl calls to me so I decide to go over as she is one of the better looking ones. He name was Paula (English spelling) at Kiss Kool. Her English was ok and she quotes $1000 B. I am not sure what she was quoting, but I pay the fee and she takes inside up two treacherous flights of stairs into a warren of small rooms with beds. We strip, then handing me a towel she takes me to a shower having a toilet, and washes me well. The cool water feels great, and she washes the sweat off me. Back in the room, she asks if I have a condom. Oops, no. No problem, she has some. I lay down and she immediately starts a BBBJ. She does a good job. She is in between my legs and she looks up at me as she does her work. But, I prefer to have couple of minutes to talk to the girl and do a little touching, rather than just dive in like this. It is taking me a long time to come alive down there, even though she is using a good tongue technique. Part of the problem might be she is using her hand so that barely more than my head can enter her mouth, so I am not feeling the full effect. As I start to get a little hard, she also strokes me with her hand, which is helping, but she still isn't taking more than my head in her mouth. Her hand stroking is wearing her out, but I am finally hard and I suggest she put the condom on. She does but she has collapsed from a tired arm on her back and wants me to enter her missionary. I oblige. Paula is probably around 30, plus or minus 5 years. Very nice body, only slightly worn. Breasts are a hand full but just slightly sagging. I don't think she has had a child, so I think the slight sagginess is due to age and wear. So maybe she is older. So hard to tell, but she is slender and feels fairly tight and I am slowly working up to orgasm. But it is taking work. I have a pretty girl beneath me, but I am not really feeling it sexually. I grunt and groan to reach the big O, but I approach that point of no return, the old body is asking the old brain if I really want it this bad now, or do I want to wait for later? Hmmmm. Maybe I do want to wait. So, that quickly, I lose the feeling down there and I stop, collapsing next to her. She is disappointed and wonders what it wrong. Nothing wrong with her, I assure her. She ties to re-awake him, and she turns so I can enter her from behind as we lay on our sides, but it doesn't work as he goes limp. We lay touching either other and had things started off like this I probably could have made it. She is sad, but I am happy enough and have no regrets. I am thinking of the beautiful bar girl I will be banging later that night and cunning inside of. We dress, I tip her 100 B, and she asks I see her again, and if I did, I am sure the session would be better. But, while pretty and while she might make a great FL LT back at the hotel, I doubt I will see her again. Maybe, but for a first trip to Pattaya, quantity, not quality, is the name of the game.

After that I walked back to my hotel on the beach side of Beach Road. Not too many FLers out that I could tell. I did see one girl that I thought I might be willing to do, and she winked at me so I stopped, but up close the warning bells went off screaming Lady Boy! Wow. I mean, the girls that are nearly 6' tall are obvious LBs, but this one seemed just like an ordinary girl in stature, but the face was like a guy. I told her no thanks.

I stopped for lunch at McDonalds just south of the hotel. I wanted to get online, but I can't figure out how to use their WiFi. It was the same in Phuket. There is a code on your receipt, so I got onto their network and entered the code, but then it asks for a bunch of other information. OK, this seems to be standard in Thailand, though it gave me fits at BKK. It had also given me fits at a Burger King, but in both cases I made it work, but at McD's, it says I have an invalid mobile number! It was valid with BK and BKK and even UTP, so why is my valid number considered invalid with McDs? I try adding some digits and subtracting some digits, but nothing works. I guess I will go to BK next time.

Let me note that I understand why some guys stick with MPs and FLers. Paula was a good as some of the ladies in the bars, at least in Phuket, and I had her for 1000 B. I could probably go back now and get her LT after she gets off work for no more than 2000 B and get pretty close to a GFE (just a hunch on the GFE part). And, as I have discovered, in a dim bedroom, a girl's vagina feels pretty good regardless of her looks (though there are limits, of course).

Anyway, back to Walking Street around 10 PM. Being Sunday I hoped the street would be a little calmer, but it wasn't. I distinctly saw bus loads of mostly Chinese tourists being hauled in, consisting of couples and lots of old ladies. Not sure why they are coming, but hundreds of them just walking around, interfering in the serious business of mongering. But I am feeling out of place. I step into an open bar playing live music and buy a Coke and watch the people for a while. Then I leave and start walking and try to figure out want I need to do. Hungry, I take a break and go to the Beer Garden for a burger. Wasn't impressed.

I finally decide to take the plunge and go into Sensations. They clearly have the best set of girls out front and, inside, they have a whole boatload of mostly pretty girls up on two long stages with guys along both stages sitting and watching. The girls are in two rows and they slowly rotate around so you see all the girls during a set. Each girl has a wrist band with a number. I actually ordered a mixed drink, wondering if that might help loosen me up. I see a couple of girls I would really like to take home (9 and 989), but I am still not sure how the system works. I think I can point to the girl, or tell someone, but is she actually bar finable and how many LDs must I by and.? You experienced guys reading this must think I am pathetic. Two girls take an interest but they are not quite my type. After their set is over they stop by. One really wants me to buy her a drink but I refuse. I leave a little after that when a guy comes by and implies that I need to buy another drink or leave. I decide to try another bar. I will say Sensations had some hot numbers in there. At least 30 girls, with many 8 and 9's. After I learn to man up, I may not back and grab one of those beauties.

With some shame over my performance, I proceeded next to Crazy House. It was a similar setup. After being seated, I note a naked girl on top of a table. I guess that is part of their thing, as there is an open shower between seating areas where they can rinse off. A column blocked part of my view so I could never quite figure out what that was all about. But they have a bunch of hot women too. I was thinking about calling one over when one came over to sit next to me, Pimmy. Not exactly my type, but pretty close. We talked for a bit then she mentioned her throat was a little dry, code words for she wanted a drink. I asked if she wanted one, and the laughed and said she didn't want to come right out and ask for one. I laughed too, as it was obvious, but I do hate it when girls come right out and ask for one. We touched each other a little, then after a while she said she needed to go to the toilet. After a few minutes she had not come back and when I scanned the area for her, yep, she was in line dancing at the other end. Argh! OK, that's it. I started paying my bill. She may have seen me as when I look up she had advanced to the stage in front of me and makes indications that she wants me to stay, but no, I protest when the club makes girls get up on stage after a dude has bought them a drink. There is absolutely no reason, when a club has way more than enough girls to fill their stages, that one who is being treated by a dude cannot sit out the dances. I do think that had she stayed, I would have bar fined her.

I headed back home around 1:30 AM. Beach Road had a number of FLers out, but most were LBs. I eyed a few cute girls only to realize once they got close or spoke that they were LBs. Some of them are really good! One I had eyed came over to me and asked I where I was going. Realizing by then she was a he, I just said home and for him / her to have a good night. He blocked my way and touched me, asking why. I said no thanks and tried to walk around him then the dude puts a vice grip hold on my Johnson. I say "owww" and knock his hand aside and then put up my own hand in the universal sign of "keep your hands off of me or else". He finally backed off. I saw cute girl later, she said Hi, I sad, "are you a real girl", trying to funny, but she replied with "where are you going" and, again, she turned out to be a he. Sheesh. I saw a few more FLers who I thought for sure were girls (less pretty), but I was turned off by then and just returned to my hotel.

Day 2 didn't turn out of well. I had a nice massage with a nice girl, but Walking Street, for me, was being a disaster, though it was all due to my own sense of being overwhelmed and not fully understanding the system. I have three more nights here, so I think I will figure it out. This isn't rocket science. I mean, I just go into the bar, order a drink, spot a girl I would like, point her out to the ever attentive staff, she will come over, I buy her a drink, and I either bar fine or see her going back up on stage. Do I have that right? And if a girl other than what I am looking for comes over, I just decline to buy her a drink and she will leave, no hard feelings. What could be simpler? I hope you other newbies are learning from my craziness and won't be the sissy I am turning out to be.

This is where a wingman would be nice, but I think tonight I am going to finally take the plunge. And this afternoon, I will try a closer massage place. I do see from my iPhone app I have walked well over 10 miles in two days, so I am due for at least a foot massage.

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1717040]I have read mixed reviews about the way Thais treat Indians. Please throw some light! Is it true that some go go bars bar entry to Indians! This is really disgusting. I have more or less same living standard and income of a German or American middle class men. Sure enough I have 30/35 k Thai bahts to spend on the girls. Please advise should I go to Pattaya for a good time or should I look elsewhere?

I agree some of my countrymen are disgusting but good and mannered people surely outnumber them by huge numbers. Particularly now a days some Indians got huge money in their pocket just because of real estate boom but never learnt how to be a mannered guy!

I lived in Japan and Singapore and never faced any racial discrimination. So guys please advise here!

Also please share your experience of Indian dance bars in Pattaya!

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Onlyonelife,

I go to Pattaya every year. I do not know of any gogo bars that will not let Indians in. I do know that many Thai girls do not like to go with Indian men. Not because of the color of their skin. But because in Thailand Indian men are known for giving drama, being cheap and or ripping off Thai woman. Now as I am sure not all Indian men do this. I have personally been in Thai massage places many times where I am getting a massage and there is screaming and or drama not far from me. Because many times in Thailand rooms are covered with curtains and not actual walls unless you are at a soapy massage place. You can hear everything. When me and the girl peak out of the curtain to see what is going on. There is often an Indian guy refusing to pay or refusing to pay what was agreed upon. In Thailand it is usually pay after. In Thailand they do not like drama there.

Last year when I was there and I was talking with a very fun girl I shortimed. I asked her to tell me some crazy experiences she had with past customers. I really enjoyed hearing her story so I will tell it. She told me she never goes with Indian guys because there is always a problem. But, there was one Indian guy she made an exception for who was very handsome and looked very wealthy by the way he dressed. She figured he would not give her any problems. He was also staying at a very nice hotel. She went with him back to his hotel. After they finished sex. She took a shower and when she got out and dressed. He did pay but she noticed her I-phone was missing from her purse that she knows she had when she entered his room. She told him to give it back because she thought he went in her purse when she was in he shower. The Indian guy said he did not take it. She told him she would call the police. He thought she was buffing. Now you can not ever rip off a girl if she comes back to your hotel. She will call the police and you will deal with it at the police station. So anyway, she called the police and waited until they came. She told me the police searched the room and could not find anything until they opened his room safe. Her I-phone was locked in his room safe. Also, in his safe was around 50,000 baht or about $1500 USD. She spoke to the two cops in Thai so she told me she had the advantage. She told the cops this guy has 50,000 baht. Instead of taking him to the police station. I will offer him a deal. He gives me the 50,000 baht and I will not press charges against him. I will give you two officers 30,000 baht and just keep 20,000. Both officers agreed. So the officers told him she wants that 50,000 baht and she will not press charges or we will take you to the police station. Your passport will also be stamped for robbery in Thailand. He agreed to pay the money to the girl and the cops let him go. I guess its karma.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1718980]Pattaya Day 2. if a girl other than what I am looking for comes over, I just decline to buy her a drink and she will leave, no hard feelings. What could be simpler? I hope you other newbies are learning from my craziness and won't be the sissy I am turning out to be..[/QUOTE]Actually it happens quite often that the wrong girl is interested in the gogo and asks you for a drink, just ignore her request and ask her if she knows the girl you are interested in having a drink with. She will usually get that girl for you and that way you get rid of her at the same time.

However- drink or not they go up and dance when their turn is up. They will come back to you afterwards though.

Found two 'pretty new' cuties all the way down soi 6 (almost to beach road) sitting with a handful of equally cute girls, bar is on the left as you walk towards beach road. M and eyee are their names, eyee being more experienced and provides a BBBJ whereas M refuses any BJ at all. Both are super cute, M being a natural beauty. Managed to bang both although they are best friends and M had to confer with E about making 1000 baht off of me. Where E is wild in the sack, M was the complete opposite. Soi 6 provided several good girls on this last trip, making my selections almost 100% satisfying vs picking gogo girls who act wild in the club but become starfish in the room.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1718980]

This is where a wingman would be nice, but I think tonight I am going to finally take the plunge. And this afternoon, I will try a closer massage place. I do see from my iPhone app I have walked well over 10 miles in two days, so I am due for at least a foot massage.[/QUOTE]Hey man great report. Sorry to see you not hitting it.

Let me assure you that a wingman is nice but it can also be a great burden.

I suggest you head to the walking street bars or to a disco if you can loosen up. Try insomnia (Ibar) downstairs is very chilled. You will be able to speak and dance a bit. A good view too if you manage to sit by the sea.

One more thing I suggest you be a bit more open to lady drinks as they are a great way to boost your confidence at the bars. In insomnia you are not charged lady drinks but you might have to buy the lady's friends a drink. Go for the 30 baht shots.

Happy hunting and looking for great reviews the remaining days.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1719068]Hey man great report. Sorry to see you not hitting it.

Let me assure you that a wingman is nice but it can also be a great burden.

I suggest you head to the walking street bars or to a disco if you can loosen up. Try insomnia (Ibar) downstairs is very chilled. You will be able to speak and dance a bit. A good view too if you manage to sit by the sea.

One more thing I suggest you be a bit more open to lady drinks as they are a great way to boost your confidence at the bars. In insomnia you are not charged lady drinks but you might have to buy the lady's friends a drink. Go for the 30 baht shots.

Happy hunting and looking for great reviews the remaining days.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Moegy. My plan for tonight is to try Insomnia. I was never good with disco's when younger, but worth a try here.

Though I am somewhat bombing out, I do learn from failure, so I think tonight will be the night! I did meet a German guy in a bar who offered to take me to WS and show me around, but as you said, a wingman can get in the way. And if I fail tonight, I may as well go back to Phuket.

I guess I need to research more about finding girls during the day. That is turning out to be a problem that is worse than I thought. Is it me or am I just looking in the wrong places? I thought I had done my research.

Where, really, are the FLers during the day, and what MPs have FS? I visited one today (which will be in my report) near Soi 13/2 on Second Street, and the most offered was a rub and tug. Are only the Soi 6's FS? I will experiment tomorrow with another Soi 13-area MP, but if I am wasting my time and need to go back to Soi 6, it would be nice to know.

Later, dudes!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719137]...wrong places? I thought I had done my research.

Where, really, are the FLers during the day, and what MPs have FS? I visited one today (which will be in my report) near Soi 13/2 on Second Street, and the most offered was a rub and tug. Are only the Soi 6's FS? I will experiment tomorrow with another Soi 13-area MP, but if I am wasting my time and need to go back to Soi 6, it would be nice to know.

Later, dudes![/QUOTE]FLs during the day? My guess would be that the good ones would be asleep since they party hard and get screwed for a better part of the morning.

No dearth of day time hot spots, RTFF.

Since you are on the ground and RTFF may be difficult, go try the MPs on soi Honey and soi Chaiyapoon.

Beer bars on soi 6, 7 and 8. Unlikely you will find FLs, mostly bar girls / MP girls. Beach road for FLs.

If you are into spending more, go to the soapies. It's difficult to imagine poon not being available at any time in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719137]Thanks, Moegy. My plan for tonight is to try Insomnia. I was never good with disco's when younger, but worth a try here.

Though I am somewhat bombing out, I do learn from failure, so I think tonight will be the night! I did meet a German guy in a bar who offered to take me to WS and show me around, but as you said, a wingman can get in the way. And if I fail tonight, I may as well go back to Phuket.

I guess I need to research more about finding girls during the day. That is turning out to be a problem that is worse than I thought. Is it me or am I just looking in the wrong places? I thought I had done my research.

Where, really, are the FLers during the day, and what MPs have FS? I visited one today (which will be in my report) near Soi 13/2 on Second Street, and the most offered was a rub and tug. Are only the Soi 6's FS? I will experiment tomorrow with another Soi 13-area MP, but if I am wasting my time and need to go back to Soi 6, it would be nice to know.

Later, dudes![/QUOTE]Last year when I was there, there were many free lancers at a bar at 8 AM still looking for companionship on a side street off Walking St. Old to young ones and 3-9 in quality. The bar is on the right hand side of the street after FLB and before Tony's disco and on the left hand on side of the same street is a large snooker place. Maybe someone else can give better direction and a name. Listen for the loud music and you should find it, if it still is doing its thing. Hope this helps a tad.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1719002]Onlyonelife,

I go to Pattaya every year. I do not know of any gogo bars that will not let Indians in. I do know that many Thai girls do not like to go with Indian men. Not because of the color of their skin. But because in Thailand Indian men are known for giving drama, being cheap and or ripping off Thai woman. Now as I am sure not all Indian men do this. I have personally been in Thai massage places many times where I am getting a massage and there is screaming and or drama not far from me. Because many times in Thailand rooms are covered with curtains and not actual walls unless you are at a soapy massage place. You can hear everything. When me and the girl peak out of the curtain to see what is going on. There is often an Indian guy refusing to pay or refusing to pay what was agreed upon. In Thailand it is usually pay after. In Thailand they do not like drama there.[/QUOTE]Thanks everybody for your advice. So Those Thais think Indians are filthy and Chinese and westerns are charming! I have absolutely no problem with any race on earth but) Only If one of those girls had any idea about world affairs, they would have known we Indians gave asylum to their religious leader Dalai Lama against Chinese aggression!

So far as the accusation goes that Indians act like a cheap charlie, I really wonder why? A beer in Mumbai Meera road dance bar costs 400 rs (around 200 baht). Prostitutes in Kolkata's sonagachi costs 4000 rs per hour (2000 baht). In Bangalore the cheapest prostitute costs 4500 (2250 Baht). Well I am just giving the rates of cheapest girls!

Well, I am adamant enough to accept that money is the problem for us! As accusation goes that some Indians gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] girls, I just wish law should take its course and they are punished!! Just because of some filthy scumbags we should not barred from the gate of heaven.

FL Hawk. Thanks for the highly entertaining "reviews". You really need to be assertive to get the best girls. This general rule applies no matter what country you hobby in. If you see a girl dancing on stage on the other side of the club, pick up your drink and move to where she is. Girls are truly flattered when guys do this. If she's not giving you the time of day after you do that, she isn't the right girl for you so move to another girl or another club. So much selection! Hope Day 3 went well.

What happened in Crazy House is likely the norm. If you liked the girl you really should have stayed with her. She could have easily went to the next guy to get a lady drink but she made a concerted effort to ask you to be with her. She can't be blamed for following club rules.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1719002]Onlyonelife,
There is often an Indian guy refusing to pay or refusing to pay what was agreed upon. In Thailand it is usually pay after. In Thailand they do not like drama there.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, I would not call refusal to pay a drama. That is truly an understatement.

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1719245]

Well, I am adamant enough to accept that money is the problem for us! [/QUOTE]Your focusing on the wrong issue, it has nothing to do with money. I'm quoted 1000 baht short time and so are the next 50 guys of different nationalities. Has nothing to do what that 1000 baht will buy in my country. Has everything to do with how each nationality treats their women. If a Thai girl see's 50 men and every Indian man treats her like shit, she'll go out of her way to see men of other nationalities. She'll tell her friends her experiences which add to the negative view.

Question for OnlyOneLife and other Indians, have any of you ever agreed upon a price and then tipped the girl extra or asked her if she was hungry or thirsty before or after the deed? Or just paid her the agreed upon amount and moved on?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1719453]Your focusing on the wrong issue, it has nothing to do with money. I'm quoted 1000 baht short time and so are the next 50 guys of different nationalities. Has nothing to do what that 1000 baht will buy in my country. Has everything to do with how each nationality treats their women. If a Thai girl see's 50 men and every Indian man treats her like shit, she'll go out of her way to see men of other nationalities. She'll tell her friends her experiences which add to the negative view.

Question for OnlyOneLife and other Indians, have any of you ever agreed upon a price and then tipped the girl extra or asked her if she was hungry or thirsty before or after the deed? Or just paid her the agreed upon amount and moved on?[/QUOTE]They are there own worst enemy. Some of the conduct I have witnessed from their Indian Brethren, it's a wonder any of them can get a woman in Thailand or anywhere else in the world. Once a stereotype is made it is hard to change, especially when you have more Indians coming to Thailand reinforcing them. There your countrymen. When you see there negative conduct, you need to smack them in the chops and make them cut that bullshit out. You need to tell them that bullshit like that isn't tolerated and they are fucking it up for all of you. But you don't do that. You just watch them do it and then come to this board and complain about bigotry against indians.

I can remember one time I came back to my hotel with a wg and there were 4 Indians there having a loud discussion with a wg by the elevator. She wasn't the best looking girl, about a 6/10. Apparently one Indian had fished her back to the hotel and then at the elevator sprung on her the other 3. She was quite upset and looked scared out of her mind with the latest take it or leave it proposal. My wg then asked her what was going on. She replied that the first one agreed to 1000 and then at the hotel he told her she had to do all 4 of them for 1000. All 4 were hovering around her giving her the hard sell. "Same same as long time!" I could overhear them. She said she was in a big financial bind and needed the money but really didn't want to do this. Just for the hell of it along with some compassion for the girl, I gave my bg 1000 to give to her and to tell her to leave. She took off faster than a gazelle breaking loose of the jaws of death! The look on the 4 faces was priceless as the girl took off. It was like a pack of hyenas that were just watching their catch getting away. A few seconds later the elevator door opened up and we jumped in and I was laughing so hard all the way to my room. Priceless moment, I still chuckle at the thought of it.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1719463]I can remember one time I came back to my hotel with a wg and there were 4 Indians there having a loud discussion with a wg by the elevator. She wasn't the best looking girl, about a 6/10. Apparently one Indian had fished her back to the hotel and then at the elevator sprung on her the other 3. She was quite upset and scared with the latest take it or leave it proposal. My wg then asked her what was going on. She replied that the first one agreed to 1000 and then at the hotel he told her she had to do all 4 of them for 1000. All 4 were hovering around her giving her the hard sell. Same same as LT! She said she was in a big financial bind and needed the money but really didn't want to do this. Just for the hell of it along with some compassion for the girl, I gave my bg 1000 to give to her and to tell her to leave. She took off faster than a jack rabbit! The look on the 4 faces was priceless as the girl took off. It was like a pack of hyenas that were just watching their catch getting away. A few seconds later the elevator door opened up and we jumped in and I was laughing so hard all the way to my room. Priceless moment, I still chuckle at the thought of it.[/QUOTE]That's called Karma, you've earned it in spades. Hats off to you sir.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1719463]I can remember one time I came back to my hotel with a wg and there were 4 Indians there having a loud discussion with a wg by the elevator. She wasn't the best looking girl, about a 6/10. Apparently one Indian had fished her back to the hotel and then at the elevator sprung on her the other 3. She was quite upset and looked scared out of her mind with the latest take it or leave it proposal. My wg then asked her what was going on. She replied that the first one agreed to 1000 and then at the hotel he told her she had to do all 4 of them for 1000. All 4 were hovering around her giving her the hard sell. "Same same as long time!" I could overhear them. She said she was in a big financial bind and needed the money but really didn't want to do this. Just for the hell of it along with some compassion for the girl, I gave my bg 1000 to give to her and to tell her to leave. She took off faster than a gazelle breaking loose of the jaws of death! The look on the 4 faces was priceless as the girl took off. It was like a pack of hyenas that were just watching their catch getting away. A few seconds later the elevator door opened up and we jumped in and I was laughing so hard all the way to my room. Priceless moment, I still chuckle at the thought of it.[/QUOTE]Surely there are cheaper working girls in India. The brothels of Calcutta and all that. Can someone from there explain why so many travel here. Is it for reasons other than the women?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719137]guess I need to research more about finding girls during the day. That is turning out to be a problem that is worse than I thought. Is it me or am I just looking in the wrong places? I thought I had done my research.[/QUOTE]From 3:00 AM to 2:00 PM, hard to find girls, though I found a great one at 8:00 AM once. I was just walking along and she jumped me.

From 2:00 PM to 6:00 PM, piles of hot girls in certain areas, not in others. If one bar has hot girls at 2 PM, so will most of the nearby bars. So one street full of girls, one street empty.

From 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM, girls almost everywhere.

From 8:00 PM to midnight, girls everywhere.

From Midnight to 3:00 AM, supply starts to diminish.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1719500]Surely there are cheaper working girls in India. The brothels of Calcutta and all that. Can someone from there explain why so many travel here. Is it for reasons other than the women?[/QUOTE]I once had to work for 6 months in India, and of the 56 countries that I've visited during my checkered career, it was my all tIme least favorite. In fact the best time I ever had was the day I left, knowing I would never have to set foot there again. I saw more sexual repression in that place than in any other country to which I've ever been. I hated every day that I spent there.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1719463]I can remember one time I came back to my hotel with a wg and there were 4 Indians there having a loud discussion with a wg by the elevator. She wasn't the best looking girl, about a 6/10. Apparently one Indian had fished her back to the hotel and then at the elevator sprung on her the other 3. She was quite upset and looked scared out of her mind with the latest take it or leave it proposal. My wg then asked her what was going on. She replied that the first one agreed to 1000 and then at the hotel he told her she had to do all 4 of them for 1000. All 4 were hovering around her giving her the hard sell. "Same same as long time!" I could overhear them. She said she was in a big financial bind and needed the money but really didn't want to do this. Just for the hell of it along with some compassion for the girl, I gave my bg 1000 to give to her and to tell her to leave. She took off faster than a gazelle breaking loose of the jaws of death! The look on the 4 faces was priceless as the girl took off. It was like a pack of hyenas that were just watching their catch getting away. A few seconds later the elevator door opened up and we jumped in and I was laughing so hard all the way to my room. Priceless moment, I still chuckle at the thought of it.[/QUOTE]I relate with your incident DG, I've never been to Pattaya and don't want to come there because of various reasons. Anyways, Its not about Pattaya but every where, I'm an Indian and sometimes the actions of fellow countrymen definitely create embarrassing situations! This happened on my last visit to Phuket, I was with my Russian crush and walking past L'mour on Patong Walking Street, one of the girl holding placard in front of the club was being hassled by 3 Indians, could make out by the look on her face & a loud "NO", generally the Guard would come to the rescue but nothing happened here (L'mour has this reputation of treating their girls bad), anyways I did not know what the conversation was happening but I was sure what they wanted, I told my girl to tell the other girl few slangs in Hindi and shoo them off, Instead mine went and shoo'ed the shit out of them with slangs (whatever she could manage) in our native language! The display girl was slightly taken aback but thanked for the sudden help. The guys were shocked and cursed me you are our brother and you do this! I told them if she said NO, why the fuck do you have to hassle her! Not out country to fight for a silly thing, they left cursing!

The problem is not the money as someone pointed out, I don't want to blow my horn but I probably would be spending more than a EU / NA / AU guy would be spending, my taste has changed from Thai to Russian though but important thing is to treat the women right no matter who she is! As someone pointed that do we (Indians) Tip / ask for water etc. Well. Sir. I can comment about my circle of friends who know how to treat women and we make sure they are treated right.

I faced this problem on my 1st visit to Phuket and was slightly shocked, but as I started to visit and people got to know me, They knew this is no cheap bullshit guy, they treat you right.

The damage has been done and I believe it will take lot more time to repair this.

Pattaya Report – Day 3.

The daylight part of Day 3 didn't go so well. I thought I would explore a MP (massage parlor) nearby rather than venture down to Soi 6. I visited a place on Second Road, found by walking down Soi 13/3 then turning left. It was the first MP right before a tattoo shop. The girl that called me, Kung, was reasonably attractive. A little chubby, but I was more interested in seeing what was available at the MPs near Soi 13 than so much the looks. I went for a full boy oil massage. She took me into an air conditioned back room that had a bunch of beds with curtains for semi-privacy. She had me strip down, but she stayed fully dressed, so I figured this was not going to be like the experience on Soi 6 the day before. As it turns out, I was right, and it was pretty much a standard AMP experience concluding with a rub and tug. Cost was 300 B for the massage, and I tipped her 200 B. Like yesterday, I chose not to cum, as the experience really wasn't good enough to waste a good cum for.

I continued to explore and decided to try out a bar. One had a pretty girl calling to me so I went over and ordered my Coke Zero. There was a German guy there and we started talking a bit. A semi-curt spinner came over and sat next to me. Not a FL, but a bar girl? She wasn't smiling and looked unhappy. Turns out she just had eyebrow tattoos done the day more, and she was in pain and it hurt to smile. I stayed for a long while, but even if she was bar-fineable, I would not want to spend time with a girl who couldn't smile or was afraid of having her face touched due to pain.

I retrieved my laundry from yesterday, came back to the hotel, and prepared another load to take out. I was going to drop it off at the place directly across for the hotel, but it was 5:30 and they said they could not process the laundry until the next morning, so it would not be ready for pickup until the day after tomorrow. I instead took it back to the place I used before on Soi 13/2, and it was no problem. Stopped at another bar down Soi 13 near the hotel. I had seen a woman sitting alone there earlier and she was still there, so I decided to stop and sit one seat away from her. She never glanced at me once, so I decided she was not looking for anyone and I left her alone. I suppose I should have at least said Hello, but the vibe I was getting said that would have been a waste of breath. I left quickly.

I stopped off at another small bar on either 13/2 I think. The girl I thought was pretty who called turned out to me was chubby, but friendly. I had another Coke Zero then left.

Went back to my hotel to rest. Headed out for Walking Street at 10 PM. While riding in the songthaew, I saw a gorgeous FLer on BR. Figures. Riding in the songthaew with me were two reasonably pretty Thai girls. I rang the buzzer to get off after BR turns at WS, and the girls hop off too. The traffic (dang Chinese tourists!) is bad and we three are trying to get across the street. I say something about how difficult it will be, but an opening is spied and one of the girls grabs my hand and we run across the street hand in hand. She asks if I am going to WS, and I say yes, and she says she has to go the other way now, almost leaving it open for us to meet later. I don't know if there was a hint there or not, and if so I missed it at the time, but I said goodbye and, no, I didn't see her again. But I had an omen with that meeting that this would be a good evening.

I will now try to compress events, and my memory may be failing in some areas, but here are the highlights as I remember them to be. I again walked around a lot, always looking for FLers, but only the LBs were out. I went to the Happy bar and found it nice. There was one really cute spinner I liked and would have bar fined her (was 700 be there), but apparently she had already been spoken for to another old man, for when her dance set was over she went straight to him. Bummer. I left, then tried Insomnia out. As I said yesterday, discos aren't really my thing, even when I was young, and certainly not when I am old. I really felt out of place and left after a drink. I went to Fahrenheit and one of the short, chunky greeters from outside latched on to me. Normally the greeters let go on you once inside, but not her. She was not a dancer, but she tried to get me to bar fine her. She had a pretty face, but her body was hardly what I wanted to pay for. She finally left me and another girl came over but, again, not quite my type. There really was only one girl I semi-liked, but I just decided to leave. Then I went to Living Dolls (I think – I could be wrong on this) and they had a great line up. A girl who was pretty cute saw me sit down and she and a friend came to sit and chat and, of course, ask for LDs. Well, fine. Another poster told me to loosen up with LDs (not as if money is an issue with me, I just hate spending money on booze in general). Then the girl from out front who brought me in, and who also danced and was very cute, got in on it and even one of the staff members got in on it. I don't mind the dancers so much, but staff members getting LDs? But the main girl was fun and was touching me, and after a second round of drinks for everyone I inquired with the staff girl about bar fines and what to do to take X (forget her name now) home. The bar fine was a whopping 1000 B! She asked if I wanted LT or ST, and I said either was possible, depending on what X wanted and how much. Later I talked to X and said I wanted to take her home. She asked if I wanted LT or ST. I asked her directly what she wanted (I knew young girls can get grossed out with old guys touching them, and if she was not comfortable with me for LT, I would understand). She replied she only likes to do ST. Fine. And she said something like "This may be a lot, but I want 3000 be for ST. " What?! Yikes. I am prepared to spend that kind of money on a real looker, but she was not THAT beautiful. Very pretty and with a great body, but she was no Victoria's Secret model. I said that was too much, hoping she might counter, but she didn't and I didn't try to counter either, as I assumed at that point she was mainly in this for the LDs and didn't really want to go home with me. If I gave her less and she accepted, the service would probably suffer as well. Even the fact it was getting very late and I might be her last chance to get bar fined, and with her knowing she was asking me for a lot of money, it just seemed I would not get good service. We sat together a while longer and touched, but then I said I should go and I left.

Sheesh, I am striking out again! It was around 2 AM and I considered going back to my hotel and making airline reservations to go back to Phuket! But, I decided to give it one more go and I ended up at Peppermint, where I earlier had seen two Indian men refused entry. I got in with no problems and there was an outstanding lineup of girls. One was a true babe in every sense of the world. Awesome body, a nice all natural rack, gorgeous face, long lead legs and bleached hair. She was No 8, but I rate her a 10. A stunner. She was sitting one girl over from me. I eyed her, she saw me, but didn't eye me back. Not good. She was busy talking with one of the male staff members topless. She soon goes up on stage to dance and I am drolling at her. She occasionally looks my way, but nothing to show she has much interest. At one of the other stages is a cute spinner. Awesome body as well, but with a top on. Smaller breasts and darker skin, standard Issan face, but she loves to dance. It is hard to catch her eye, but a few times she sees me and smiles a big smile. The way she was wiggling that little body was very sexy. I was torn between the two girls, thinking the spinner might be better in bed than the model. I finally inquire about bar fining with the lady supervisor. 700 be, and who do I want? I ask about the spinner. No, we are just about to close and she will be going home. What about 8? No, they are all about to go home, so come back tomorrow at 9. And, sure enough, the club was starting to shut down.

Sheesh! I am about to strike out in Pattaya three nights in a row! This has to be a first in Pattaya mongering history! I leave and walk around a little more looking for FLers. All I see are LBs. I do later see the spinner outside the club in jeans, and she looks pretty good. I consider stalking her to see about getting her as a FL. I mean, of course the bar will tell me the girls are all going home as they don't want their girls FLing, they want the customers to come back the next day for the bar fine they can collect. But the spinner keeps talking so I move on. Sigh. OK, defeat. I am going to be the biggest fool on this board ever. I head down to exit WS. I am just going to grab a songthaew and head home. So much for that omen earlier when I first arrived.

Then the Pattaya Gods decided to take pity one me.

Near the entrance, next to a food cart with an old lady, is a pretty girl standing alone. Lady boy? Nope. I almost walk past her but I smile and she returns the smile. I stop and say Hello, and she smiles and says Hi, and we start talking. She says this is her first night in Pattaya and she will soon start working in a bar on WS. I don't know which bar or what she will be doing. As we talk, the old lady is smiling and nodding at me, giving me encouragement. And one cue, another old lady selling roses sensing something going on and comes over so, of course, I have to buy my new friend some roses. She is happy and I finally get the nerve up to see if she wants to come with me for the night. She does. She takes my hand and we exit. She did ask how much I would give her, and if it was ST or LT. (She may be new to WS, but she knows what to do.) I said 1500 B, not differentiating between ST and LT, and she seemed very happy again with my answer. It was almost likes she was confirming in her own mind that coming to Pattaya to work for that kind of money was want she needed.

She was very shy, and it did seem like she was not experienced at this. I can believe she is new to this as she loved kissing, so it all was kind of romantic and super GFE at the beginning. She was a starfish in performance, but again I attribute that to shyness and newness than to hating my touch. In fact, when we were done, she cuddled up to me for warmth so, no, she was no repulsed by me. But while she was very passive, sometimes a man likes a passive woman, and at nearly 5 AM now, I liked her begin passive. They whole experience went slowly, like new lovers, where the girl is shy and letting her man take the lead.

After the action, she started to get dressed. I told her she could stay, and she decided she would. She slept until noon, and then she got up, very thankful for the money, gave me a long hug and left. Her performance was just want I needed. The parting was not so GFEish, but I am sure she had things to so and she may have felt some shame even. If she is going to be a bar girl, I kind of feel sorry. She was so sweet that it bothers me to know that soon enough some dudes are going to be abusing her, and she will become as jaded as the rest. Oh, her name is EMP (pronounced like the letter M). If you ever run across her, be nice.

I am a little spaced out today due to lack of sleep, so will take a nap before heading out for night 4. I have two more nights in Pattaya, and I am seriously considering going back to Peppermint (pretty sure that is the one) for 8. I would pay 3700 B for her. She would go for 3 to 4 times that amount in the US. But, regardless, I finally have some confidence and am starting to understand how the system works. I appreciate all the suggestions you guys are offering.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1719453]Your focusing on the wrong issue, it has nothing to do with money. I'm quoted 1000 baht short time and so are the next 50 guys of different nationalities. Has nothing to do what that 1000 baht will buy in my country. Has everything to do with how each nationality treats their women. If a Thai girl see's 50 men and every Indian man treats her like shit, she'll go out of her way to see men of other nationalities. She'll tell her friends her experiences which add to the negative view.

Question for OnlyOneLife and other Indians, have any of you ever agreed upon a price and then tipped the girl extra or asked her if she was hungry or thirsty before or after the deed? Or just paid her the agreed upon amount and moved on?[/QUOTE]I don't want to ruin this forum arguing over this nasty topic!! Thanks everybody for your advice and yes we do pay tips (At least I do)! Yes, its not just about paying tips, I personally treat every girl as my Lady! Well, as a globetrotter I know we as a race hate each other just because of political decisions of our leaders!! So I won't argue more and now I am more resolute to go to Pattaya and contribute to change the perception! Whatever an individual can do).

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1719500]Surely there are cheaper working girls in India. The brothels of Calcutta and all that. Can someone from there explain why so many travel here. Is it for reasons other than the women?[/QUOTE]I love that you did that. You are a good man. I'd certainly done the same.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719547]Pattaya Report Day 3.

I retrieved my laundry from yesterday, came back to the hotel, and prepared another load to take out. I was going to drop it off at the place directly across for the hotel, but it was 5:30 and they said they could not process the laundry until the next morning, so it would not be ready for pickup until the day after tomorrow. I instead took it back to the place I used before on Soi 13/2, and it was no problem.[/QUOTE]FL Hawk it's probably too late for you but this might help some others. I stay at Whitehouse, next door to Dynasty, and have found a laundry I like it a lot. Prices are very cheap. When you walk out the front door of the Dynasty Inn, turn to your left and walk towards Beach road. In less than one minute you will see a British Pub / restaurant on the left side of the soi with indoor and outdoor seating. There is a small entrance door next the the pub (just before it). Walk in the entrance way. On the right side of the hallway is a small, family run laundry. Check them out.

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1719694]I don't want to ruin this forum arguing over this nasty topic!! Thanks everybody for your advice and yes we do pay tips (At least I do)! Yes, its not just about paying tips, I personally treat every girl as my Lady! Well, as a globetrotter I know we as a race hate each other just because of political decisions of our leaders!! So I won't argue more and now I am more resolute to go to Pattaya and contribute to change the perception! Whatever an individual can do).[/QUOTE]Good Luck to you Mr Gandhi.

Just a short observation after spending the majority of my time now in Pattaya. I find the Pattaya gogo bar scene to have better talent and at least on walking street a complete absence of ladyboy gogo's. You walk around Nana and some of the gogo bars are devoid of talent and there seems to be a large ladyboy presence. I'm not saying Pattaya is better overall in talent, its just that with Bangkok you've got to know your way around to find the true jems. What Bangkok has though over Pattaya are the talent in the soapies, just not sure if soapies are a big enough draw for me on future trips when Pattaya is just so much easier to get around.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719547]Pattaya Report Day 3.

She never glanced at me once, so I decided she was not looking for anyone and I left her alone. I suppose I should have at least said Hello, but the vibe I was getting said that would have been a waste of breath. I left quickly.[/QUOTE]They are often the best girls. Shy girls often give the most enthusiastic sex and the best girl friend experience. If a girly in Pattaya is sitting in a bar, or hanging out in a disco, she is there for guys to hit on her. Hit on her. (Gogo bars are in some ways tougher, since the girls are more hard boiled. They like to have sex with half a dozen customers in rapid succession and then go home to their boyfriends and get some sleep. If you are looking for the GFE, harder to get it a gogo).

In a bar, first you buy a beer, and slip it slowly. You are the Lord of Creation, and have plenty of time to choose a girl at your leisure.

Then, having spent some time contemplating the various choices, at your comfortable leisure, you just tell the barkeep "lady drink for that girl", and she will come over and be friendly. In the highly unlikely event that this is going to fail, the barkeep will drop several broad hints that it is going to fail.

You talk, you make out for a little bit, you decide if you like this girl. Don't act like you made your mind up on sight, act like you are considering whether the girl is sufficiently pleasing, and you do not mind spending money and time to find out. Don't act like every baht hurts.

Act like you are the lord of creation and a big spender, and every girl in Pattaya is lining up to please you, and they probably will line up to please you. That is what they are there for.

Having eventually made your leisurely decision, you then ask can she be bar fined. Usually the answer is yes. If the answer is no, you can usually change her mind with a little time and effort, but unless she is the hottest thing you have seen, seldom worth the trouble.

Discos are similar, except you usually have to hit on her first and the barkeep will not give you warnings or guidance. You intrude into her space, and touch her lightly on the arm to bring her around to face you, then say "Hi". Then you ask if you can buy her a drink.

In a disco don't hang around near her thinking it over or waiting for her to give you the come on signal. This is likely to irritate her no end. March in and touch her, or don't. After you have spent some money on her, then you can take all the time in the world to think it over, leisurely nursing your beer, like the Lord of Creation that you are. After she has agreed for you to spend some money, then you can haughtily take your time deciding what to do.

Never act like you are trying to find a girl while expending the smallest possible amount of money. Nothing will irritate them more. You are supposed to take your own sweet time making up your mind, but supposed to spend money while doing so. If you are going to think about it, and you should, think about it after spending some money.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719547]Then I went to Living Dolls (I think I could be wrong on this) and they had a great line up. A girl who was pretty cute saw me sit down and she and a friend came to sit and chat and, of course, ask for LDs. Well, fine. Another poster told me to loosen up with LDs (not as if money is an issue with me, I just hate spending money on booze in general). Then the girl from out front who brought me in, and who also danced and was very cute, got in on it and even one of the staff members got in on it...[/QUOTE]The girls are unimpressed by someone who appears to trying to pick up a girl without spending money, but neither are they impressed by someone who can be easily manipulated into spending money unnecessarily. They want the big spender, but not necessarily the idiot spender.

The only situation where I will buy two lady drinks at once is when I have a girl on each side of me and I am groping both of them.

Pattaya is really great. The gogos are full of hot girls. In a week I've banged a stunning naked dancer from Shark, a cute, but bitchy girl from Crazy house, a young beauty from Happy, a cute Hello, girl from Sugar Baby, and a voluptuous dancer from Suzy Wong that only wears glasses when she dances.

It's really expensive though, which probably explains why you don't see too many young guys. Being able to afford Pattaya requires a lifetime of working and saving!

Part of the problem is that because it's so expensive, I carefully select the prettiest girls. But those are the ones who ask more. It's a paradox!

Also, only one girl stuck around long time. I think the system in Angles works better, because the girls get all the money up front, so they all stick around long time. I think the girls here are afraid of getting stiffed, so they don't want to stay long. Repeating would probably solve that problem, but there are so many girls here, I can't focus!

Pattaya Report. Day 4.

I am finally getting things figure out and gaining some level of comfort here. About freaking time.

Stayed in bed until noon with EMP, then after she left, I worked on this report and then only did a cursory check, for FLers along BR. Ignoring LBs, there was not much in the area of Soi 13. So, basically, I did no afternoon mongering.

I left for WS around 8:30 PM, walking down BR on the ocean side. I did see more FLers (I will ignore LBs henceforth) out than before, and a few were attractive and if this was in the afternoon I might have stopped to talk, but in was nighttime and I was on my way to WS.

Upon arriving, the entrance was packed. Yes, more tour bus loads of Chinese being dropped off. They were forming their groups at the entrance and really making it harder for the rest of us to circumnavigate around them to get in. I mean, really, why are old ladies coming here? And moms?

Decided to check out a few more Agogos. Went into Airport Club. It is set up to sorta look like the inside cabin of a jet. In the middle is a spa (circular bath tub) and three girls were there naked and rinsing off. I don't really understand the purpose, but whatever. Several of the dancers on the stage were topless. There are stunningly attractive lading in blue bikinis running around serving shots, but I don't think they are available for takeout. There are around 30 girls working, but few are really all that attractive. There are a few 8's, but I am not overly impressed. I finish my drink and leave.

When back Living Dolls when one of the greeters remembered me. I don't remember her, but she and a friend grabs me and inside we go. I guess their modus operandi is to grab several girls and have the guys buy them all LDs. Happened yesterday and happened again today. They still have a nice lineup there. The girl that priced herself too high yesterday was there and came over to say Hi briefly. She went to sit down with her friend who she got me to also buy drinks for yesterday, occasionally glancing over my way. Did she regret not lowering her price? I am certain she did not get bar fined after I left, so possibly. My greeter was touching me all over and was playfully asking me to bar fine her. I said it was too expensive there. Plus, she was a little too plain-looking and too skinny for me. I like thin, but not skinny. I finished my drink and left. I always have a nice time in there with the multiple girls, but buy you pay for it!

Got harassed by the chubby girl from Fahrenheit. Twice as I walked by she came over and hugged me and tried to get me to go inside, even for a little bit. Of course, they get money from the LD they expect you to buy, but that was one of my least favorite bars so I wanted to stay away.

Next I went to – and I believe this is correct – Lighthouse. I will try to re-verify this, but I think that is correct. Anyway, it is a smaller bar but had some halfway decent girls. Not the best and not the worst. One of the dancers, Bell, sat next to me soon after I entered. She is fairly attractive. Really nice body with real curves, tight body, very tight abs, decent bolt-ones and a typical Issan face. Very pretty, but her face seemed a little bit worn. Mid 30's? Kind of looked to be in the late 20's, but could be late 30's for all I know. But she was warming up to be due to her personality, so why not try out an older lady? You guys say the older one generally provide a better experience, so why not try? She sold me when she said it was ok for guys to come to Thailand for sex, but don't fall in love with Thai bar girls! Haha.

So I decided I should bar fine this one. 700 B to the house (though some of the alleged hotter girls get 1000 B there she said) and 2000 B ST or 3000 LT. I go for ST. I pay the house fee and we leave. We leave WS and ignore the blue taxi trucks parked outside. We walk around the block to Second Street and the regular baht busses for 10 be are still operating. Advice: If leaving WS later in the evening, ignore the drivers parked near the entrance who want 200 B. Walk on around the corner and down a bit and, hopefully, you will find the regular blue trucks running for 10 B each.

Back the hotel, we talk a little, she showers me and we lay down next to each other in bed. I like the way we are taking things slow. Many of the youngsters just want to get down to business it seems, but she actually proceeded with some foreplay activity. I was at full on attention before she ever touched me down there, and her BB oral technique was amongst the best ever. She asked if I wanted to cum that way or screw. Obviously, I want to screw. She mounts me in cowboy and her skills and stamina as a dancer are in evidence. I let her ride me for a good long while. She is staying wet and seems to be enjoying the action. But after a long while, I am ready to get on top, and I can tell she is tiring and starting to dry out. I tell her to let me get on top and I lube up, then climb on. She starts bucking and moaning and I finish quickly, staying inside her for longer than most girls would allow. She is smiling, and really seems have enjoyed it all. We clean up and she dresses, but is in no great hurry to leave. It is after 2 AM by this point, so I doubt she is even planning to return to her club. But we hug and kiss several times before she finally makes it to the door and leaves. I did tell I wanted to visit Coral Island today, and she gave me hints before leaving. So I had a good time with this slightly more mature lady.

I will note the observation that after most ladies complete their task, I am happy for them to leave. I thought I might be sad to see Bell depart, but I was actually think of EMP when I crawled into bed. I had looked for her, not that I would repeat just yet, but she was a girl I was happy to have stay with me. She was a real sweet heart. I hope Pattaya doesn't chew her up.

But, yes, I finally bar fined a Pattary girl! Tomorrow I will go to Bangkok where I will have 3 days of mongering, before I will reconnect with my Thai GF for my last 4 days in Thailand. So, basically, I have 4 mongering days left. Need to make the most of it!

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1720044]

Also, only one girl stuck around long time. I think the system in Angles works better, because the girls get all the money up front, so they all stick around long time. I think the girls here are afraid of getting stiffed![/QUOTE]Pay the money up front if you feel that will get better service and a longer stay.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1719547]Pattaya Report Day 3.

Then the Pattaya Gods decided to take pity one me.

[/QUOTE]I'm enjoying your posts! Thanks for sharing. And you're not alone. I've been to Pattaya a few times and it has always taken me a few days to get into my groove. I find that when I stay two weeks, my first week is okay (better than hanging out at home obviously), but the second week is amazing. This summer, I will be staying for three weeks and hope the Pattaya Gods are kind to me too! Again, thanks and I look forward to your future posts on the forum.

I notice a number of people visited discos in Pattaya, and felt really out of place. They waited for girls to give them the come on signal, and no girls gave them the come on signal.

Well of course they did not. If they gave you a come on, they would feel like the working girls they in fact are.

Here, based on very limited experience, is my impression of disco etiquette. If one of the regulars who has much more experience than me corrects my doubtless numerous errors, I would be grateful.

They are hos, pussy on legs. You are a wallet on legs. The gravest of all offenses against decorum is keeping a stony death grip on your wallet. You can be rude to the girls in all manner of ways, and they will lap it up, but you cannot act tightfisted. They will notice.

When you go into a disco, buy a beer. When you leave the disco, abandon that beer. You will need to buy a new beer every time you enter a new establishment. If you drink all your beers, will suffer brewers droop, if you hang on to your beer after leaving the disco, look tightfisted. If you are in the disco without a beer, look tightfisted.

Sip your beer slowly, one drop every few minutes. If you see a girl you like, do not stare at her thinking about it. Staring at her thinking about it, or staring at her while waiting for a come on that never comes can result in an embarrassing incident that will make you feel unwelcome, particularly if you might be mistaken for an Indian. Instead, act swiftly. Command her attention, by touching her lightly on the arm if necessary, and offer to buy her a drink. After you have spent money on her, then you can spend all the time in the wold thinking about it.

The absolute worst that can happen from hitting on a girl is that she politely says no in a friendly fashion. The absolute worst that can happen from standing around and not spending money can be quite embarrassing. While in the disco, spend money on girls. Do not wait for them to signal you to spend money on them. Your job is to signal the girl that you like in a straightforward and uncomplicated fashion that you want to spend money on her.

Pattaya Day 5 –.

Woke up and went to Coral Island. Not a bad boat trip, but it is a typical tourist trap and not all that interesting, for me at least. I might feel different if I had planned to go snorkeling. I got off the boat and walked down the pier, until I got to a why. Go left via a nice concrete walkway to the main beach. Go right to get to a smaller beach via a rickety wooden walkway. There were better photo opportunities at the smaller beach, so I took a deep breath and took my chances. That walkway, built over rocks below, is on the verge of becoming treacherous! Poorly engineered to begin with, some of the center supports are missing and nails are either missing or have pulled out, not to mention some of the planks are rotting! That walkway needs to be torn down and rebuilt!

Anyway, at about 4 PM I got back and decided to go back to Soi 6. I spied a cutie at the Rugby Bar, in the middle of the Soi. I smiled and she smiled back and I went over to her. Rugby is an average sized Soi bar, open to the street. She sits me down and I order my diet Coke. She is really cute. Spinner body, tight, very cute face. Practically a stunner. Her name is Noy. We talk for a while and I finally cut to the chase. Do you bar fine here? Yes, 300 be. Then I ask if she is interested in me? She smiles and nods her head. How much? 1000 B. Deal! Heck yes! I pay the fine and she leads me inside and up a flight of stairs to a room. The rooms there are really nice. No steep stairs or dark and dingy halls. It is all freshly done and the bedroom has its own toilet and shower with a flat screen TV. She turns on the fan and A / see and away we go.

Being so young (she wouldn't tell me her age, but sure looked to be early 20's) I felt it would be a wam-bam affair, but after the shower, she started kissing me with of LFK. Wow. She slowly worked her way to a BBBJ with some excellent technique. Not quite as good as Bell from last night, but good. I had forgotten to bring any of my super thin condoms, so we had to use one of hers. Bummer. She climbs on board and she is a tight one. She rides me for a while, moaning in the process. I roll her over for missionary and pound hard, bringing more moans. Then a quick switch to doggie for me to look at her fine figure, then back to missionary till completion.

To my surprise, after the deed is done she laid there with me for another 10 minutes, talking. She looked into my eyes, intently, with apparent affection for me, giving this more than a hint of a GFE. We kissed a little more then the hour was up and time to get dressed. We hugged and kissed goodbye. Few girls, after the deed, stick around like this and stare into your eyes, even in Pattaya. Never in the USA. This is what Pattaya is all about, guys. Super hot spinner, great sex and that loving look in the end. Sigh. Many of the girls at this bar are super cute, and if other Soi 6 bars are like this, I can understand why many Pattaya experts prefer to monger her. The whole Soi is this way. Unfortunately, there are LBs to contend with, but they were not pushy at least.

This was supposed to me my last night in Pattaya, but after this experience, I booked two more night here! What more can I find in Bangkok than I can't get here? I mean, I have now pretty much figured things out here and don't want to have to undergo another learning curve. Maybe the MPs are better in Bangkok, but I am quite happy with what I am finding the Pattaya.

I headed to WS about 9:30 PM. Lots of people are out tonight. I hit Ginza agogo. There are some cute girls in there but nothing special. A large percentage of them are very slightly overweight, but one or 2 are up to my standards. I don't talk to anyone, but feel I am being robbed to discover my diet Coke is 120 be. #61 is cute but won't look at me. I received a comment saying that Thai girls are often shy and the best ones in the sack are the ones who don't look at you. I guess if they look at a guy it makes them feel slutty. Well, we are in a WS bar. But I understand the shyness thing, and understand some of them like to be in denial about what they do and still pay hard to get. I won't let a girl not smiling at me not BF her, but I do like to know she has some interest before I waste anybody's time. I did at least make note of her (#61) and would have gone back if I did not find someone else worthy of my cash. And as I am discovering, there is nearly always someone better. Heck, you can choose a girl and be thrilled, then immediately see another one and start second guessing your decision!

I was considering heading to Peppermint to see if #8 was there – my all-time bar girl favorite thus far (even though I had not talked to her and she was one who shunned my looks a few nights earlier). But first I came across Infinity. I had not been in there yet, and I have been trying to visit different bars to see what they offered. I did not find infinity all that different from the average bar. Average girls, some more than just a pound or two overweight, but a couple of cute ones. In the back I saw what appeared to be a pretty girl in her super short school girl outfit dancing. She was not a skinny spinner, but shaped more like a grown woman, on the order of Bell from yesterday. But this girl was younger and her face looked different than the typical Issan girl, and her skin was much lighter in color and her hair was slightly colored a golden brown. I was still going to leave and probably head to Peppermint next, but this girl finished her dance and came over to sit with me. A staff lady immediately comes over, smiles and asks if I want to buy her a LD. Well, ok. We talked a while and I laugh when she said her name was Bull. What a name for a beautiful girl, Bull. Someone posted that if a bar attendant kinds of pushes you towards a particular girl, you should take the hint. Well, I followed that advice tonight. The attendant came over to ask me if I wanted to BF Bull. I asked the attendant was the bar fine was, which gets her all excited. 1000 BF (sheesh) plus 2000 be ST and 3000 be LT. Well, at least the girls aren't ripping you off too bad. I had not planned to BF Bull at that point. I was actually getting a data point on costs. But Bull was putting off a really good vibe. A girl selling shots came around and somehow I ended up buying Bull, the shot girl and her helper and the attendant all shots. Sigh. But oh well, it was written that these Thai girls love seeing a guy spend money. Why Thai girls think blowing money on alcohol is a good sign in a man I have no idea, when the biggest complaint they have about Thai men is they drink (and smoke) too much! I guess it is seeing a guy spending money on them is what they like.

But ok, I am liking Bull so I decided to BF her. I tell this to the attendant and she is all excited and asks if I want ST or LT. She recommends LT. I say I will do whichever Bull wants, so she asks Bull (who is dancing now – I have given up getting upset about girls you are buying LDs for having to dance) who says she wants LT. OK, LT with Bull it is.

Bull leaves the stage to get ready then comes out in shorts and a pretty while blouse. A fat, crude dude who had been sitting next to me smiles as he sees me with her. We exit the club to some cheers from her coworkers and walk down the street. I start to have some doubts. She is quiet, so maybe she was only being nice to get BFed. I ask if she is hungry. She asks to stop at a 7-11. Well, there is one just to the right of the exit to WS, so we go there. She picks out a packaged meal and a bottle of water. I pay, but it isn't much. We walk on around the corner and get on a Bhat bus. We don't talk much, but her English isn't all that great. Back at the hotel, she locks the door when she goes to the bathroom. Hmm, never had a girl actually lock the door. This can't be good. I said we needed to take showers. She told me to go first, and she turned on the TV. Hmmm. Not good. She is supposed to be in there with me, with us washing each other! Yikes. Infinity made me pay her fee before leaving. I am stuck! I knew I should have left and go to the Peppermint!

Oh well. I showered, then she went in. I was lying on my side in bed in some PJs when she came out wrapped in a towel. Normally we would be naked and get in bed together, but I didn't know about this girl. She smiled at me and then almost jumped into bed and moved over to me. I touched her then she loosened up and started some lengthy DFK. I had had some light FK, but never the deep toungue kissing! Wow. Most of my doubts about this girl vanished. She loved the DFK and we spent many, many minutes at it. I had to move my head away to stop it and to move on to other areas of her body. It was becoming almost a GFE when there is no rush to sex. Just touching and kissing. I felt fortunate to be with yet another girl giving of her emotional self like this.

I offered a massage and she nearly melted, telling me about a back injury she had when younger, etc. She said she could go to sleep and I laughed and said no, not yet. The only disappointment since she came to bed was she made no offer for a BJ. That did not seem to be on the table but, with a real GFE, sometimes they just don't want to do that. I like a good BJ, but don't miss them when not offered, so I didn't feel like forcing it. But I finally asked to break out the condom. She was juicy wet and quite tight. I started on top and we did that for a long time. I wanted to switch to spoon, but after that she went a little dry so I broke out some lube. I could tell she was tiring so back to missionary for the final act which brought moans from her. I stayed inside her for full minute without complaint, then withdrew. She was breathing hard and I joked that I was the one who had done all the work. Though this was close to a GFE, she really wasn't all that active, but she was continually touching me and caressing me, so she was not a starfish who just laid there like she was dead. It guess I would liken it to a GF who was a little tired and mainly wanted to kiss and touch, but was willing to please her man.

Anyway, I showered then she showed and she crawled in to bed with me. She was cold from the shower and she cuddled up next to me as we tried to sleep. I was concerned about her sleeping since she said she normally doesn't go to bed until 5 AM, but she thought she could sleep ok.

I guess she didn't, as at about 6 AM she wakes me and says she can't sleep so she is leaving. Uh, ok. I understand, but don't really know what the rules for LT are. I had not planned of having sex again with her that morning, but had expected her to stay until 9 AM or so. Guys, what are the rules or expectations of a LT stay? I am not upset with her really, but was a little depressed to see her go. Like EMP, she is one of the girls I want to stay and not leave.

I totally agree with you and last time when me and my friend were there, we booked couple of DD Girls. We took them to dinner and as they felt very tired we took them to a Massage parlor too. After the deed we gave them a good tip. Maybe we did our bit to change the perception and continue to do so in the future as well.

[QUOTE=OnlyOneLife;1719694]I don't want to ruin this forum arguing over this nasty topic!! Thanks everybody for your advice and yes we do pay tips (At least I do)! Yes, its not just about paying tips, I personally treat every girl as my Lady! Well, as a globetrotter I know we as a race hate each other just because of political decisions of our leaders!! So I won't argue more and now I am more resolute to go to Pattaya and contribute to change the perception! Whatever an individual can do).[/QUOTE]

Bro,

We three friends are planning to visit Pattaya early next month and our budget is 3,00,000 Baht for five days. After reading your post we are bit worried and any advice to make the trip a joyous one will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ArideeKrish;1717476]Hi bro,

It's true. Indians would be treated differently at Pattaya Been there a year back and felt not to go back to Pattaya again. We 3 friends had close to 100 k baht to spend but not a single go go in walking street gave us the entry. Our brothers have created this reputation believe me they have the capability to drink a 60 baht beer for a whole night in a go go and no wonder they don't let us in. I was just noticing a group if Indians haggling with a WG for 10 minutes and after some a Japanese came exchanged couple of words and they left together. In places where things are costly and you definitely have to spend money you'll not have any problems entering. Massage parlors. Clubs with entry fee.[/QUOTE]

Pattaya Day 6.

I slept fitfully after Bull left, until 10 AM. A nice thing about the Dynasty is the curtains are heavy and little light gets in, so you can sleep late if you want. At the see&and in Phuket, this was not the case very hard to sleep past 8 AM. But I woke up tired and feeling a bit spaced out. I go dressed, wrote part of this report, then stumbled over to McDonalds for lunch. I walked around but came back to the hotel to try to nap. Instead, I got busy making plans to return to BKK Saturday morning and meet up for dinner with another OK Cupid friend. I should probably dump her, but she is cute and funny and I really would like to meet her. It will be friends only with her, but that is OK. I am also making plans to see my Thai GF on Sunday, who I will spend my last days in Thailand with. But lots of arranging bus trip to BKK by Bell, hotel near where the friend in Bangkok lives, figuring out the best way to get to the hotel (not served by Bell), etc.

Close to 4 PM I go drop some laundry off on Soi 13/2 then head to Soi 6. There is some really fine stuff available. I stopped at one bar sorry, didn't get the name and when I left the area I tried to identify if but some of those places look alike and I just don't know which one it was! Anyway, and any nubes take note, here is how you get a bar girl on Soi 6. Take a gander up and down the street to see what is available. Don't necessarily stop at the first pretty face you see. There will be more. Beware of LBs on the south side though. When you find a girl you like, walk directly over to her. Don't let girls you don't want come over and grab hold of you. If they do grab you, keep walking and looking at the girl you want. You be in control. She will smile and take you inside and get your drink. Remember, you coming to her and her letting her take you inside for a drink is what she is waiting for. She has been sitting out there in the heat all day just waiting for you to come to her. Inside, if you still like her, order your drink. She will get if for you. If you are hot, she may even get you a cool towel and wipe your face with it. But after you get your drink and if you still like her, ask her if she wants one. She will. Talk a while with her and she will probably be touching you and smiling. Ask her what the BF is if you still think you want to have sex with her. If the rate is acceptable to you, which should be 350 to 400 be, ask what her rate is. Don't be shy about this. I was at first, as I am not used to simply asking pretty girls for sex but, again, they have been waiting out in the heat all day for you to come over, buy her a drink, and ask her for sex. If you are really super unappealing to her, she might refuse or offer a high price, but if you are average and have a good attitude, she will gladly have sex with her. If they don't have sex with you, they don't make much money, and they left their homes and families to come to Pattaya to have sex with you to have money to live on and to send back home. If you don't have sex with her, her family will suffer. You are not degrading her or using her by having sex with her.

Anyway, back to my story where I just sat down with a girl for a drink at a bar on Soi 6 I can't remember, this beautiful girl who was all smiles and was kissing me and poking at my Johnson who I asked about the BF, didn't know what it was. Strange. She went over to ask and came back 2000 B. Huh? And she said her rate was 2000 B ST. Huh? I said that was pretty expensive. She later said that after 10 PM the BF went down to 800 B. Well, that is still expensive! She was hot, but not 4000 B hot though. Maybe 2800 be. Maybe. Oh, the girl's name was Poon, or maybe it was Pun. Nice, super cute girl, but pretty expensive for a Soi 6 girl.

So I left, with a hug and kiss and kept looking. I spotted a pretty cute one further down and when over at the Offshore Bar. She smiled and walked over to the door to let me in then then, wait, she is a he! I exclaimed "You are a lady boy!" She nodded yes. I said "No, I am sorry". She was gracious, and I walked off telling her she was pretty. Sheesh, that was a close call there! Moving on, and closer the Second Road entrance a spied another cute young thing with a nice smile. I went over directly to her and she was also very happy to see me. Her English was rather poor and I had a lot of trouble understanding, but she was friendly and attentive. Her name was Nam. Their BF was a more reasonable 350 be and her rate for 1500 B. The sex would be upstairs, as seems typical on Soi 6. OK, decent price, so let's go. Nam was a really cute spinner. We went up two flights of stairs to the bed area. After the shower we start out touching then she asks if I want BBBJ. Duh. She laughed and said farang's seem to love BJ's. She did a very good job. Next I broke out my condom and she climbed on board. She was having some trouble staying wet and I had to ask for some lube when moving to doggie. She was super nice and attentive and semi-GFE, but I guess it was mostly an act. Being old and tired, I could not finish, which was in no way due to her. She was sad that I failed, and tried some more BJ to get me off, but I also want to conserve my fluids. I think BBBKCIM is available. We cuddled a while which was nice then I said I should shower and leave. For a bit, I almost thought she was going to shed a tear that I didn't get off, saying she took it as a failure when that happened. I assured her I was not upset with her in the slightest, and gave her a 100 B tip as evidence. I highly recommend the Offshore Bar lots of attractive girls there with reasonable rates.

I was still tired so I came back to the hotel, worked on this report, and tried to take a nap before heading back to WS. When I headed out for WS around 9 PM it was raining very lightly. Not bad enough to get you wet, but as I got to WS, droves of Chinese were leaving, so it served to clear out many of the tourists. The weather had been on the cooler side all day, and when the rain totally ended a short while later, it was pretty nice outside.

Anyway, I was hungry and I had fried rice at the New York Diner. Not bad. I started mongering with another visit to the Peppermint. You may remember I came here several nights ago and found a hot beauty I wanted to BF, as well as a cute spinning dynamo with an awesome smile as my backup, but by the time I got around to asking the bar was closing so I lucked out. Tonight I didn't want to stay out too late and figured I would go there to see if my favorite girl, #8 (I think) was available. If she was, and if she would leave with me, I would take her early before someone else might snap her up. I stepped inside and the lady who I had originally asked about #8 remembered me, but said she was not working tonight. The other girl I had been interested in was there and was as energetic as ever. I hesitated though. The bar lady was trying her best to hook me up with the other girl. The girl was nice, but a little chubbier than I was looking for. But I treated her well and ended up buying her, the bar lady and a bunch of others some LDs and shots. We will see if that earns me any points! I will add that there was another girl, similar to 8, that I asked to BF, but I was denied. The bar lady asked but the girl said she was not going out that night. I thought she just didn't like me. But, I did come back several hours later and she was still there and the bar was busy, so maybe that is true. Anyway, I learned the Peppermint has a two tiered BF system. BFs are 1000 B, except that the girl who are wearing bikinis instead of the hot pants are 700 B after 10 pm. I believe the girls' rates are 3000ST and 4000 be rather stiff. Even so, I thought of going with my second choice there (all of my choice there are hot pants girls) but decided to check out some other clubs first.

I checked out Angel Witch. They put on a real show of fuller-figured dancers trying to be artistic. I wasn't impressed. Super overpriced coke, so I was out of there quickly. Headed back to Happy. Really cute girl in there dancing. I asked an attendant about speaking with her, and he calls her over to me when her dance set is over. Very pretty girls there, and the BFs are 800 B here, but she want 3000ST, to be done in a room there on premises. 5000 B LT to take her out. Yikes. I mean, I can easily afford this, but I am thinking about Soi 6. If I want to have sex in a small cubbyhole I can go to Soi 6 for a girl just as attractive for half the price. I decline. I won't be back to Happy.

Next I went to Sugar Baby. It was wild. Naked women in some kind of semi-sex show that sounds better than it really was. Girls were ok, but on the wilder side. I see once dark skinned Issan girl, kind of plain-looking and skinny but with relatively large, natural breasts and with a naughty looking face. Her name is Joy. I think she could indeed bring some joy to a man. There is a girl with bleached hair I like, but she is occupied in the show. Joy saw me looking at her while she danced and immediately came to sit next to me when her dancing set was over. She was affectionate. She kissed, rubbed my Johnson a little and teased. It was getting really late, me having wasted too much time at Peppermint, but I was about to ask the BF situation having just bought her a second LD when, bam, the club suddenly shuts down. No final call or anything like that. Some dude yelled something and all the girls got up on stage then left. Show over. Get out. Too bad you just ordered a drink 2 minutes ago! I left and went back to the Peppermint to see if that other girl was still there. She wasn't. I bought the chubby girl another LD then left. Sigh.

By then it was past 2 and the food cart vendors were moving in. I looked for the FLers, but didn't find anyone I liked all that much so I went home. Sigh. Just when I thought I had things figured out, I flopped out. I spent too much time in one club entertaining people I had no intention of bar fining. That was my main error. Plus I am picky. A few clubs were still open (some are open to 4 AM), but it was around 3 AM and I was exhausted.

I have just one more day in Pattaya to monger. Kind of sad, but yet also ready to leave. A man can't take too much of this all the time.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1720962]Bro,

We three friends are planning to visit Pattaya early next month and our budget is 3,00,000 Baht for five days. After reading your post we are bit worried and any advice to make the trip a joyous one will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Does this 300,000 baht include the trip and hotel costs?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1720571]
I guess she didn't, as at about 6 AM she wakes me and says she can't sleep so she is leaving. Uh, ok. I understand, but don't really know what the rules for LT are. I had not planned of having sex again with her that morning, but had expected her to stay until 9 AM or so. Guys, what are the rules or expectations of a LT stay? I am not upset with her really, but was a little depressed to see her go. Like EMP, she is one of the girls I want to stay and not leave.[/QUOTE]

There are of course no "fixed rules" (this is Thailand after all!) but the usual procedure is two pops before going to sleep and then one more in the morning.

Some guys can continue all night (or so they say) and will let the girl go when they are thoroughly drained.

Others (like myself) like to cuddle-up in post-coital bliss and sleep together until the morning and then have here take care of the morning wood. I always offer her breakfast, but few accept and most leave around 7 AM.

Been enjoying your reports, thanks so much.

The night before you leave, Play this song from Roger Whittaker.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGWs1HK8iDU[/URL]

In a way kind of fits with the symbolizm.

Hi,

This does not include trip cost.

Hotel cost is 50,000 Baht (Three bedroom suite for 5 days) and for mongering 250 K.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1721161]Does this 300,000 baht include the trip and hotel costs?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Milky100;1720962]Bro,

We three friends are planning to visit Pattaya early next month and our budget is 3,00,000 Baht for five days. After reading your post we are bit worried and any advice to make the trip a joyous one will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If you want to go for a girl pick her up in pubs or massage parlors. In fact some best looking girls of model category are there in massage parlors. Again we were able to pick some classy girls from pubs including a CIS. There you pay entry fee, pour money on drinks they see it and they trust you. Gogo they don't let you in and some ask upfront table charge and you that you could get in.

All the best.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1721450]Hi,

This does not include trip cost.

Hotel cost is 50,000 Baht (Three bedroom suite for 5 days) and for mongering 250 K.[/QUOTE]That is a rather pricey hotel. I presume it comes with a nice swimming pool, spectacular views, and all that. Are you sure you will be using those. Hard to enjoy spectacular views when your girl closes the blinds in order to get naked. And is the swimming pool deep enough that you can jump in carrying your lady friend, and she is entertainingly out of her depth? Some of the pricey hotels do not provide anything much better than a 700 Baht per day hotel. It easy to blow a lot of money on a hotel, and not get much more than a prestigious address, which matters for businessmen, but not for mongers.

250 K Mongering for three guys for five days is 14000 Baht per guy per day. By and large, you can have a girl all day for 4 K, so you are figuring on changing girls frequently, maybe three girls per day. You can blow any amount of money really fast in a gogo but if you stick to regular bars and discos, you will have trouble burning that much money that fast.

For that kind of money, maybe you are planning all day twosomes. Or threesomes. Then you would get some value out of a big hotel suite.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1721682]That is a rather pricey hotel. I presume it comes with a nice swimming pool, spectacular views, and all that. Are you sure you will be using those. Hard to enjoy spectacular views when your girl closes the blinds in order to get naked. And is the swimming pool deep enough that you can jump in carrying your lady friend, and she is entertainingly out of her depth? Some of the pricey hotels do not provide anything much better than a 700 Baht per day hotel. It easy to blow a lot of money on a hotel, and not get much more than a prestigious address, which matters for businessmen, but not for mongers.

250 K Mongering for three guys for five days is 14000 Baht per guy per day. By and large, you can have a girl all day for 4 K, so you are figuring on changing girls frequently, maybe three girls per day. You can blow any amount of money really fast in a gogo but if you stick to regular bars and discos, you will have trouble burning that much money that fast.

For that kind of money, maybe you are planning all day twosomes. Or threesomes. Then you would get some value out of a big hotel suite.[/QUOTE]For that kind of money you should not even see your dick again until time for you to leave. It should always be in someone.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1721450]Hotel cost is 50,000 Baht (Three bedroom suite for 5 days) and for mongering 250 K.[/QUOTE]OK. I'll bite:

The hotel for 10,000 Baht a day I am guessing a three bedroom suite at the Penthouse Hotel. They have some pricey options available where you can connect a bunch of rooms into one large party setup.

With 14,000 Baht a day each for mongering you will have plenty of options. Hardcore Devils Den ladies are 7,000 Baht for a whole day, and you have the assurance that they will perform together nicely. Four or five of them to share around and you will still have enough money left for meals and in-room refreshments. IMO that would make for one memorable day during your visit.

SunLover.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1721714]For that kind of money you should not even see your dick again until time for you to leave. It should always be in someone.[/QUOTE]It is posts like this one that makes me wish our forum had a like button. Thanks for the laugh.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1721829]OK. I'll bite:

The hotel for 10,000 Baht a day I am guessing a three bedroom suite at the Penthouse Hotel. They have some pricey options available where you can connect a bunch of rooms into one large party setup.

With 14,000 Baht a day each for mongering you will have plenty of options. Hardcore Devils Den ladies are 7,000 Baht for a whole day, and you have the assurance that they will perform together nicely. Four or five of them to share around and you will still have enough money left for meals and in-room refreshments. IMO that would make for one memorable day during your visit.

SunLover[/QUOTE]We were planning to stay in LK the Empress, any suggestions for hotels with Three bedroom suite will be greatly appreciated.

Last year we had DD ladies in our suite and we were not that impressed, so this year we are planning to hit Discos and Pubs (Thanks to WildBillLewis: 28 days in Pattaya). Any pointers on Discos and Pubs where there is no entry problem for Indians will be very helpful.

Thanks in Advance.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1721897]We were planning to stay in LK the Empress, any suggestions for hotels with Three bedroom suite will be greatly appreciated.

Last year we had DD ladies in our suite and we were not that impressed, so this year we are planning to hit Discos and Pubs (Thanks to WildBillLewis: 28 days in Pattaya). Any pointers on Discos and Pubs where there is no entry problem for Indians will be very helpful.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Any particular reason why all of you need to stay in the same suite? I have good friends also but don't need to bunk with them while I'm fuckin.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1721897]We were planning to stay in LK the Empress, any suggestions for hotels with Three bedroom suite will be greatly appreciated.

Last year we had DD ladies in our suite and we were not that impressed, so this year we are planning to hit Discos and Pubs (Thanks to WildBillLewis: 28 days in Pattaya). Any pointers on Discos and Pubs where there is no entry problem for Indians will be very helpful.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Bringing a women in the room with three Indians waiting. No you guys haven't earned your reputation at all.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1722136]Bringing a women in the room with three Indians waiting. No you guys haven't earned your reputation at all.[/QUOTE]Only 3 ? . Was chatting to one lady in Pattaya on last trip and she mentioned she went back to one room with a south Asian punter and there 6 guys in the room, all tongues with salivating and smiles abounding. She screamed and ran.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1722135]Any particular reason why all of you need to stay in the same suite? I have good friends also but don't need to bunk with them while I'm fuckin.[/QUOTE]What we are planning is a huge continuous party for five days in a row and not just banging the girls in rooms (For that we will have our own bedrooms).

[QUOTE=TellAll;1722136]Bringing a women in the room with three Indians waiting. No you guys haven't earned your reputation at all.[/QUOTE]Bringing a woman with three Indians waiting will be a problem which we understand, but bringing minimum three to maximum six (Depending upon our mood) should not be a problem! Correct?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1710226]So your twice her age. Put yourself in her shoes, imagine a reasonably fit 80 year old women wondering why you don't give her the time of day. LOL.[/QUOTE]If the 80 year old woman wants to pay me the right amount to be with her, I will gladly give her the time of day. We are talking about prostitutes here aren't we? Money makes an older gentleman look many years younger.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1722159]Only 3 ? . Was chatting to one lady in Pattaya on last trip and she mentioned she went back to one room with a south Asian punter and there 6 guys in the room, all tongues with salivating and smiles abounding. She screamed and ran.[/QUOTE]It does not matter what their country of origin was. Any professional lady who goes back to a hotel and finds a number of guys waiting for her will assume [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and will just run. This was a habit among the untouchable Hi-so young Cambodian men in Phnom Penh a few years ago. One would go out and find the girl, agree the price and bring her back to a room where he and all his friends would [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her (and yes, a hooker can be raped. Not every hooker wants to be pounded into hamburger by 6 guys!) It is quite likely that there was a similar fashion in Bangkok among certain untouchable Hi-so types at some stage too.

It's been a couple of years since my last trip to Pattaya, but my next visit is coming up this summer. In the past I've always carried a wad of cash and stuck the bulk of it in the in room safe. I've never had any problems and was planning to do the same, but I'm always nervous as hell carrying too much cash at once. I would hate to get robbed by a hotel worker (yeah, I know that doesn't happen much) and end up having to beg on the street for beer and barfine money. Seriously, I was wondering if you carry a big wad of cash only or do you spilt between cash, traveler's checks (I think banks still have those), and a debit card? The last time I was there, I think traveler's checks seemed easy enough to cash at the money exchange booths but have a small fee for each check (maybe 150 baht) and the same for debit card withdraws plus whatever your own bank charges (maybe 1%). Suggestions or tips?

[QUOTE=Nefarious;1722578]It's been a couple of years since my last trip to Pattaya, but my next visit is coming up this summer. In the past I've always carried a wad of cash and stuck the bulk of it in the in room safe. I've never had any problems and was planning to do the same, but I'm always nervous as hell carrying too much cash at once. I would hate to get robbed by a hotel worker (yeah, I know that doesn't happen much) and end up having to beg on the street for beer and barfine money. Seriously, I was wondering if you carry a big wad of cash only or do you spilt between cash, traveler's checks (I think banks still have those), and a debit card? The last time I was there, I think traveler's checks seemed easy enough to cash at the money exchange booths but have a small fee for each check (maybe 150 baht) and the same for debit card withdraws plus whatever your own bank charges (maybe 1%). Suggestions or tips?[/QUOTE]At some ATM's you can withdraw 30000 a day. That is almost 1000 american. Can't imagine you need more than that. I also have an auxillary lock for my room safe and keep my debit card hidden away somewhere else, like taped to the back or under something. That way I don't lose my cash and card at the same time if something happens. Never really carried Travelers Checks.

[QUOTE=Nefarious;1722578]It's been a couple of years since my last trip to Pattaya, but my next visit is coming up this summer. In the past I've always carried a wad of cash and stuck the bulk of it in the in room safe.

Suggestions or tips?[/QUOTE]I go the all cash route also to pay for everything (including hotels) along with two debit and two credit cards as backup.

If I was going to do it differently I would do ATM withdrawals, and use a bank or brokerage account which reimburses all ATM related fees.

SunLover.

Nefarious,

Like you I "always carried a wad of cash and stuck the bulk of it in the in room safe (whenever I traveled) & I never had any problems. " But on my last trip I decided to upgrade. I opened up a Charles Schwab Checking Account. It is free and has no minimum amount requirement. It also pays interest on the balance. Schwab also required that I open up a Schwab Brokerage account at the same time, but the brokerage account has no minimum amount to maintain and pays interest on the balance as well. So I put a $100 into my brokerage account just for the hell of it and Schwab issued me their Visa Debit card attached to my new checking account. Subsequently the Debit card reimbursed me for ALL my ATM withdrawal fees at the end of each month plus I had the luxury of funding or replenishing the checking account (my Debit Card) any time I wanted with links I set up to my every day brick and mortar financial institution. The maximum ATM withdrawal per day is $1000.

So I traveled around SE Asia for 2 months using my Schwab ATM Debit Card everywhere. I also took along $1500 cash for back up which I never needed. This new system is definitely an improvement over the old way of doing things ie carrying 100% cash and IT IS FREE. I won't travel the old way with "a wad of cash" ever again. Cash is now just for backup.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1722602]Nefarious,

Like you I "always carried a wad of cash and stuck the bulk of it in the in room safe (whenever I traveled) & I never had any problems. " But on my last trip I decided to upgrade. I opened up a Charles Schwab Checking Account. It is free and has no minimum amount requirement. It also pays interest on the balance. Schwab also required that I open up a Schwab Brokerage account at the same time, but the brokerage account has no minimum amount to maintain and pays interest on the balance as well. So I put a $100 into my brokerage account just for the hell of it and Schwab issued me their Visa Debit card attached to my new checking account. Subsequently the Debit card reimbursed me for ALL my ATM withdrawal fees at the end of each month plus I had the luxury of funding or replenishing the checking account (my Debit Card) any time I wanted with links I set up to my every day brick and mortar financial institution. The maximum ATM withdrawal per day is $1000.

So I traveled around SE Asia for 2 months using my Schwab ATM Debit Card everywhere. I also took along $1500 cash for back up which I never needed. This new system is definitely an improvement over the old way of doing things ie carrying 100% cash and IT IS FREE. I won't travel the old way with "a wad of cash" ever again. Cash is now just for backup.[/QUOTE]Thanks. This is great info. I've heard about the CS accounts before, but never took the time to research it. This lays it all out nicely.

I used to use strictly ATMs but the exchange fees at both ends are ridiculous. Then I started carrying a lot of cash, but never liked it. (In the early days in Myanmar and Cambodia you had no choice). The small penalty in the exchange rate more than made up for the transaction fees. Now I'll do the Schwab thing, thanks to your advice, and stop asking the bank for crisp, new, $100 bills.

Was in Pattaya last week. The number of FLs along beach road was so so around 9 pm on Friday night but quality was nothing to talk about. However around 2 AM there were less than 15 FLs! I think there was police action. Also there were hardly any WGs on WS. Saw several FLs and LBs sitting in police van around 1 AM at WS. Looks like LE is restricting the scene quite a bit. The tourist numbers were very low and there were hardly any to be seen around 2 AM.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1722311]If the 80 year old woman wants to pay me the right amount to be with her, I will gladly give her the time of day. We are talking about prostitutes here aren't we? Money makes an older gentleman look many years younger.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy.

At Breadman please don't assume things. The fact is the girl is 25 years old and though I am 40, I look much younger and fit (some senior members on this forum who have personally met me can attest to that). Also age difference of 5-10 years between younger girl and older man is common and not the other way around. Anyway an 80 year old lady would struggle to do day to day activities and can not even think of sex. I would appreciate if you can provide helpful and sensible reply to future posts.

With so many posts on the racism against indians, I feel I need to share something with all my buddies here!! Well, its true that a lot of Go Go's don't allow indians. Maybe some so called brothers of ours have sipped a beer all night or given a non consensual gang bang to hooker here or there. But its really wrong to stereotype all the indians. You can't see the world all the time in only one light!! Now to let everyone know the other side of indians and other side of indians in pattaya. For those of you who have or will visit Mumbai (India) some time, Please do go to Dance bars and see. It is very common to see many, I say again many, indian men blowing a minimum of 250000 baht in a couple of hours. Also, the highest figure blown by an indian is close to a million US Dollars. So, its not that all indians are the same or unwilling to spend. In fact, a girl from baccara told me that she was tipped 20000 baht by indian. That was apparently her highest tip ever.

When I was in pattaya last time, in Nov 14. I was denied entry to sensations. I had bottle of Chivas Regal, in hand. I just handed it over to the security saying no to me, and I was in!! Did Barfine a girl, took her to the room but again, she was paid more than committed. She was more than happy!! This time when I was there, I don't know if all indias are allowed, but I and my friends were not stopped. There was a fellow indian who was blowing 1000 baht notes!! Mind It!! 1000 baht notes and the girls were all screaming -- AHHHHH! And catching those up! In Fact, I called a girl over for a lady drink who said after he stops blowing, she would come. So, its not all dark sides to indians!! We know how to spend and how to treat women great as well. [blue][Text in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING Deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1722602]Nefarious,

Like you I "always carried a wad of cash and stuck the bulk of it in the in room safe (whenever I traveled) & I never had any problems. " But on my last trip I decided to upgrade. I opened up a Charles Schwab Checking Account. It is free and has no minimum amount requirement. It also pays interest on the balance. Schwab also required that I open up a Schwab Brokerage account at the same time, but the brokerage account has no minimum amount to maintain and pays interest on the balance as well. So I put a $100 into my brokerage account just for the hell of it and Schwab issued me their Visa Debit card attached to my new checking account. Subsequently the Debit card reimbursed me for ALL my ATM withdrawal fees at the end of each month plus I had the luxury of funding or replenishing the checking account (my Debit Card) any time I wanted with links I set up to my every day brick and mortar financial institution. The maximum ATM withdrawal per day is $1000.

So I traveled around SE Asia for 2 months using my Schwab ATM Debit Card everywhere. I also took along $1500 cash for back up which I never needed. This new system is definitely an improvement over the old way of doing things ie carrying 100% cash and IT IS FREE. I won't travel the old way with "a wad of cash" ever again. Cash is now just for backup.[/QUOTE]Natty,

I can also vouch for the Schwab debit card, which I used in BKK recently (and indeed all over the world). Yes, they refund all those 180 baht fees back to your account. And the exchange rates they use (ie dollar to baht) have much tighter margins than most other forex methods. Double win.

I am a UK resident, and I opened a Schwab brokerage account some years ago in order to trade US stocks, which I do extensively. The debit / ATM card sat in a drawer for a while until I realised how great it is for foreign travel. Schwab has an office in London if you are British and want to open an account.

The elimination of racism is a problem that can only be overcome in two ways. First and best, the ending of behaviors that cause the racism, if such exists. Second is education, but that is only feasible in a country that protects its citizens fully.

It is good and true that MOST Indians are good and honest people. Same for all people. However, the women do not have to deal with most, but ALL people who come to them. If they have experienced 5% bad for them from one group and 20% bad from another, they will show preference for the first. Yes, this may be racist or stereotyping, but it also real. They must protect themselves first, for there is no one else to be counted on to protect them.

For the kind man, this is distressing, and rightly so. But it distressing that one cannot get laid. For the woman, the distress is that she will be raped or worse, so show patience. If a woman is shown you are kind hearted but persists in racist attitude, she is a bigot. Before that she is merely cautious, for she doesn't have the luxury to be otherwise.

This is to say nothing of the racism of a BUSINESS barring entry by skin, but that vileness is another topic.

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1722819]With so many posts on the racism against indians, I feel I need to share something with all my buddies here!! Well, its true that a lot of Go Go's don't allow indians. Maybe some so called brothers of ours have sipped a beer all night or given a non consensual gang bang to hooker here or there. But its really wrong to stereotype all the indians...[/QUOTE]With you all the Way Bro. Proud of your post.

Hello forum,

I will be arriving in Pattaya at the beginning of June with a Filipina friend.

She is very keen on having a lesbian experience. This will be her first foray into a girl / girl meeting so she is really excited about the possibility.

Is there anyone who has had some experience in finding a willing lady, and any suggestions where to look.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=HaverhillLite;1722975]This is to say nothing of the racism of a BUSINESS barring entry by skin, but that vileness is another topic.[/QUOTE]Businesses in Pattaya rely on people paying tips. Primarily rely on people buying ladies drinks, on people spending or giving money that they not strictly required to give or spend. Indians notoriously try to pay as little as possible and try to get something for nothing.

Tight fistedness can result in unpleasantness for any man in Pattaya, regardless of race, but people are a lot more likely to assume Indians tightfisted, because they are usually right to assume that.

People working in businesses in Pattaya cannot afford to take offense at the sight of old fat men going around with Thai girls hanging on to them, because they live on the genuine and spontaneous generosity of those old fat men. So when they see someone from whom no tips or avoidable expenditures are expected, the man who probably has a clever plan to get something for nothing, that man is likely to be subjected to the white hot hatred that someone like me probably deserves, but never receives.

[QUOTE=Sorokonozka;1723009]Hello forum,

I will be arriving in Pattaya at the beginning of June with a Filipina friend.

She is very keen on having a lesbian experience. This will be her first foray into a girl / girl meeting so she is really excited about the possibility.

Is there anyone who has had some experience in finding a willing lady, and any suggestions where to look.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I am married to a Filipina who also had the same desire. About 5 years ago we went to Pattaya with the same intention in mind. We found it very easy to find a willing girl. Just behave as you would if you were buy yourself in a go-go bar. We went into the bar and scouted a girl we agreed upon. We then offered her a drink. She came over and we carried on a conversation just like you would by yourself. We introduce ourselves, small talk about where we were from, etc. Told her we were married and we were enjoying our time in Pattaya. Just like if you were alone, the conversation carried up with jokes and laughs and making her comfortable. Buy a few more drinks etc. Finally, we said to her that we were going to leave and go to another bar and wanted to ask her if she would like to come with us to go bar hopping and then back to our hotel if we paid her bar fine. We found the right girl and she said yes. And let me tell you what a great night we had.

We have continued to carry on every year or so and go to Bangkok or Pattaya to have a little fun with a young Thai girl. We have gone through the routine and been told no at the end, which is OK. But what we do now, is when we are in the bar, we scout the girl we like, and then we have a talk with mamasan first. We say that we are a couple and interested in a 3 some with the girl we like and want to know if the girl is up for threesomes (including sex with my wife). The mamasan will usually be honest and say yes, she is, or not she is not, but these three over here are. If we like one of the three she points out, we offer to buy her a drink. If not, we carry on to another bar.

Don't be shy about it. Many of the girls are very open and willing to go with you as a couple. Just be sincere and ask polite questions and you will eventually find what you want. Its not too hard.

FYI. My wife and I are heading to Pattaya from the 22nd to 25th of May. This will be our 8th time there since our first encounter. We are looking forward to a few more sweet Thai threesomes.

[QUOTE=Sorokonozka;1723009]Hello forum,

I will be arriving in Pattaya at the beginning of June with a Filipina friend.

She is very keen on having a lesbian experience. This will be her first foray into a girl / girl meeting so she is really excited about the possibility.

Is there anyone who has had some experience in finding a willing lady, and any suggestions where





There was a tomboy bar on soi17,3rd Road you might try.

[QUOTE=Chredwa;1723404]I am married to a Filipina who also had the same desire. About 5 years ago we went to Pattaya with the same intention in mind. We found it very easy to find a willing girl. Just behave as you would if you were buy yourself in a go-go bar. [/QUOTE]Thank you for the details.

I didn't think it would be the most difficult thing in the world to accomplish in Pattaya, but there is nothing like a little first hand information.

If anyone is interested in the outcome of the search and subsequent encounter, I will report here once it's done.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1723406]There was a tomboy bar on soi17,3rd Road you might try.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. Will take a look there.

Hey Breadman,

Totally agree with you that its not about the money, its about the attitude towards women. Even if she is a WG ýou need to treat her well. I am an Indian by birth, well traveled around the globe including my 10+ visits to Pattaya. I have experienced only at Rainbow 4 at Bangkok I was stopped once, I have always had a good experience in Pattaya and have made a lot of friends, as long as you behave well and be well mannered things would be good. This is the basic thing missing in many Indians visiting Pattaya. I have seen it happen in Lucifer, when a gang of guys were arguing with a WG, I did intervene and I was asked by my fellow Indians to mind my own business, later they were asked to leave. But its not right to generalize this across the country as there are pockets where people are well educated, earn well, know how to behave and have gone places. Because of the sudden economic activity a lot of guys made money but still can't behave themselves that's the crowd which you all would be referring to.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1719453]Your focusing on the wrong issue, it has nothing to do with money. I'm quoted 1000 baht short time and so are the next 50 guys of different nationalities. Has nothing to do what that 1000 baht will buy in my country. Has everything to do with how each nationality treats their women. If a Thai girl see's 50 men and every Indian man treats her like shit, she'll go out of her way to see men of other nationalities. She'll tell her friends her experiences which add to the negative view.

Question for OnlyOneLife and other Indians, have any of you ever agreed upon a price and then tipped the girl extra or asked her if she was hungry or thirsty before or after the deed? Or just paid her the agreed upon amount and moved on?[/QUOTE]

Hello friends,

Though by reading the forum I understood that sopaies in Bangkok are much better in terms of service than Pattaya. But still I wanted to know if there is any soapy worth trying in Pattaya where I can get PSE and good body slides?

Thank you

Good day gentlemen!

I'm taking a summer trip around South / Southeast Asia and a former Thai colleague asked me to drop by Bangkok for a weekend and promised to show me around. I'm considering it but as you can see, one of things I did was a quick check of the Thai section on ISG. I was hoping somebody would answer two questions for me:

1) I figured I could add 6-8 days before / after a weekend. I know Pattaya and Phuket are big draw areas for tourists. But, does saying that one is in Pattaya give away what you are doing there? In other words, is there other legitimate popular tourism also going on?

2) My second question is filled with regret. As it happens, I happen to be of Indian origin. I noticed a somewhat heated debate on visiting Indians in the forum, their manners or lack thereof, and a seeming boycott by the local industry. This pains me. My initial reaction was: WTF did they do!? In any case, my interest is not to re / start a flame war of any sort. I just want to see if I can get any input regarding traveling solo there and if it would be worth it or not in my case.

I expect to be traveling on my own. I'd research and try to get some 4* type hotel (if they are girl-friendly). I've browsed around for girl / entertainment prices on and off the forum. It seems mostly really cheap (which adds to the pain and regret). I tend to like longer GFE type experiences. Be at a nice hotel, eat / drink and enjoy without watching the clock.

So, the question is: can it be done? (with whatever my brethren seem to have inflicted on the locals). If I am persona non grata, then I can try my fortune elsewhere.

I would really appreciate any constructive tips. Also, again, I try to keep away from flaming, trolling, and jingoism, so I am not trying to go there. Of course, if I visit Thailand / Pattaya, I will update with reports.

PM me if you would like that! Thanks.

Best!

[QUOTE=JRoberto;1722956]Natty,

I can also vouch for the Schwab debit card, which I used in BKK recently (and indeed all over the world). Yes, they refund all those 180 baht fees back to your account. And the exchange rates they use (ie dollar to baht) have much tighter margins than most other forex methods. Double win.

I am a UK resident, and I opened a Schwab brokerage account some years ago in order to trade US stocks, which I do extensively. The debit / ATM card sat in a drawer for a while until I realised how great it is for foreign travel. Schwab has an office in London if you are British and want to open an account.[/QUOTE]Ditto. In the US, they have an investor checking account, which provides you with a debit card. All ATM fees are reimbursed even when they aren't clearly identified. That's what you want to have when traveling. Fidelity and online bank accounts also tend to do that but I am not sure how good they are at reimbursing foreign fees. But Schwab + a no FTF credit card is all you need.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;1724289]Hello friends,

Though by reading the forum I understood that sopaies in Bangkok are much better in terms of service than Pattaya. But still I wanted to know if there is any soapy worth trying in Pattaya where I can get PSE and good body slides?

Thank you[/QUOTE]You could try Honey 1, though they have another one located at a close distance called Honey-2, the earlier one had more choice. I've tried Annie's in Bangkok many times, but Honey was much better in terms of the staff & the rooms.

[QUOTE=Maila;1724614]
1) I figured I could add 6-8 days before / after a weekend. I know Pattaya and Phuket are big draw areas for tourists. But, does saying that one is in Pattaya give away what you are doing there? In other words, is there other legitimate popular tourism also going on?
[/QUOTE]There are enough "non mongering" things to see and do in and around Pattaya. Among those are:

* "Ripley's Believe It or Not"-museum.

* Sanctuary of Truth.

* Ladyboy shows.

* The waterpark in Jomtien (great for ogling non-P4P girls in skimpy bikinis).

* Floating Market.

* Dolphin show.

* Aquarium.

* Buddha on the Mountain.

* Zipline adventure.

* . . .

And I'm quite sure I forget a lot more.

But if you are concerned about your reputation, why not book a stay in a hotel or apartment in Jomtien, which is the familiy beach part of Pattaya, but still has its own small selection of naughty bars and massage places and is only a short 10 minutes in a bahth bus away from Walking Street in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Maila;1724614]
2) My second question is filled with regret. As it happens, I happen to be of Indian origin. I noticed a somewhat heated debate on visiting Indians in the forum, their manners or lack thereof, and a seeming boycott by the local industry. This pains me. My initial reaction was: WTF did they do!? (. . .)
[/QUOTE]The world is full of stereotyping. I read that Westerners are regularly being denied access to "Thai only" or "Japanese only" clubs in Bangkok because we are "too big" for their girls' small pussies. It is never funny being denied access, but it is not a problem. Plenty more establishments that are more than happy to accept your baht. Just smile and take your business to their neighbours.

[QUOTE=Sorokonozka;1723009]Hello forum,

I will be arriving in Pattaya at the beginning of June with a Filipina friend.

She is very keen on having a lesbian experience. This will be her first foray into a girl / girl meeting so she is really excited about the possibility.

Is there anyone who has had some experience in finding a willing lady, and any suggestions where to look.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You could try Devils Den as they claim to have this service on their site. I tried to call them many times, but couldn't get through to them during my stay there last week, hence am not sure if they are open.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1723094]Businesses in Pattaya rely on people paying tips. Primarily rely on people buying ladies drinks, on people spending or giving money that they not strictly required to give or spend. Indians notoriously try to pay as little as possible and try to get something for nothing.

Tight fistedness can result in unpleasantness for any man in Pattaya, regardless of race, but people are a lot more likely to assume Indians tightfisted, because they are usually right to assume that.

People working in businesses in Pattaya cannot afford to take offense at the sight of old fat men going around with Thai girls hanging on to them, because they live on the genuine and spontaneous generosity of those old fat men. So when they see someone from whom no tips or avoidable expenditures are expected, the man who probably has a clever plan to get something for nothing, that man is likely to be subjected to the white hot hatred that someone like me probably deserves, but never receives.[/QUOTE]Red Dogger,

When you say "people in Pattaya rely on people paying tips. "Is totally wrong information to tell someone. Every county relies on people spending money. In Thailand the culture is actually based off not tipping which for once is nice. Tipping is not expected or required. Thailand has seemed to be getting more and more expensive over the years. Without going into that deeper. For myself it is very refreshing if I make a deal with a girl for lets say 700 -1000 Baht. We have a good time she leaves and I give what was promised. I hate after I give what we agreed upon and then they start asking for more money as a tip. I always tell them the same. Tip was included in what we agreed upon. They always smile and leave with a smile never any hard feeling. They know I already know tipping is not required. To be honest I do not have a problem tipping especially when a girl gives great service. But, I don't tip in Thailand on principle to keep the price down. The basic fee for short time in Pattaya is between 600-1000 Baht. But usually 1000. If you negotiate cheaper. Now lets just say 1000 baht is stand tip I Pattaya. If everyone starts tipping on top of that. The price will be driven up to 1500 baht. Which it will anyway because guys from countries where tipping is the culture can't help themselves. I personally would like to keep Thailand cheap for as long as it will last. There are guys out there that can't help themselves and insist on throwing money at working girls. I am glad they are big spenders. I always suggest China where depending on where they go can easily spend around $100 USD per girl. Be happy and tip on top of that. The Chinese have a habit of demanding tip but again depend where you are. So big spenders who will say I am a cheap charlie. Should tip girls that the price is already a $100 USD. They start off spending more and tip more. Helps the girl the economy and helps themselves not feeling cheap. The bragging rights alone are worth it for them.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1721829]OK. I'll bite:

The hotel for 10,000 Baht a day I am guessing a three bedroom suite at the Penthouse Hotel. They have some pricey options available where you can connect a bunch of rooms into one large party setup.

With 14,000 Baht a day each for mongering you will have plenty of options. Hardcore Devils Den ladies are 7,000 Baht for a whole day, and you have the assurance that they will perform together nicely. Four or five of them to share around and you will still have enough money left for meals and in-room refreshments. IMO that would make for one memorable day during your visit.

SunLover.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Why waste that money on DD ladies, who are only so-so in the looks department?. And whose service, though ticking off the PSE list, is pretty mechanical.

For that money I'd set up shop at Insomnia with a table and bottle service and pick off the great FL talent to be had there. If you are determined to burn through that much cash even the hottest gogo dancers should be available to you. Then take the best of the best back to your apartment for a huge party / orgy.


there is certainly discrimination in Thailand against Indians. But Thais are, if nothing, a very practical people. I am sure if you throw around enough money they will get over these prejudices in a hurry.

When are you guys planning your trip? I'm around all August and would be happy to show you around a bit.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1724624]There are enough "non mongering" things to see and do in and around Pattaya. Among those are:

* "Ripley's Believe It or Not"-museum.

* Sanctuary of Truth.

* Ladyboy shows.

* The waterpark in Jomtien (great for ogling non-P4P girls in skimpy bikinis).

* Floating Market.

* Dolphin show.

* Aquarium.

* Buddha on the Mountain.

* Zipline adventure.

* . . .

And I'm quite sure I forget a lot more.

But if you are concerned about your reputation, why not book a stay in a hotel or apartment in Jomtien, which is the familiy beach part of Pattaya, but still has its own small selection of naughty bars and massage places and is only a short 10 minutes in a bahth bus away from Walking Street in Pattaya.

The world is full of stereotyping. I read that Westerners are regularly being denied access to "Thai only" or "Japanese only" clubs in Bangkok because we are "too big" for their girls' small pussies. It is never funny being denied access, but it is not a problem. Plenty more establishments that are more than happy to accept your baht. Just smile and take your business to their neighbours.[/QUOTE]Great places to establish your alibi!! You can snap some good pics at the Sanctuary of Truth and Floating Market that look like you were out in the boonies doing acceptable "cultures" tourist stuff instead of perving it up in Sin City.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724647]I disagree. Why waste that money on DD ladies, who are only so-so in the looks department?. And whose service, though ticking off the PSE list, is pretty mechanical.[/QUOTE]I agree that DD can be hit or miss; but the OP has stated he worries about discrimination, and they have a non-discrimination policy clearly posted on their website.

SL.

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1724631]You could try Devils Den as they claim to have this service on their site. I tried to call them many times, but couldn't get through to them during my stay there last week, hence am not sure if they are open.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the idea. I must admit I didn't think of DD!

I'm not really thinking too well it seems when hunting for a pussy for a pussy!

Haven't you heard that one dirty fish spoils the whole pond. Yeh that's try bro. I will share with my last weekend experience in BKK. I am frequent visitor to BKK and.

Never had any problem getting in any high end Clubs, Bars or Restaurants people and girls always treat me with respect and dignity because I do the same. Last weekend two of my Indian friends from New Delhi Joined me in BKK and they wanted to do clubbing, So onus was on me to take them out.

We went to Levels around midnight as usual security staff greeted me and ask me where I have been. I told them work is keeping me busy these days. Inside we were.

Having good time drinking and dancing. One of my friends liked one girl standing alone at the corner so we called her over. She seemed to be nice girl working in mobile shop and here in levels to make some quick money. After few hours we decided to move to Mixx along with that girl. She offered us ride in her car but don't know.

Where Mixx is, so she asked me if I know the direction and I said yes. Once in Mixx again we had a good time, all the security people coming to me and saying Hi. I tip.

Them 20 bhat each generally inside there is 4-5 security guys. In total it cost me around 100 bhat but the respect they give me is worth more than that. I never have to stand in q or ever have to go through body check.

Now here is the main point. My friend from Delhi sealed the deal with this girl for 4000 bhat till afternoon. Around 4 in morning we all left Mixx. My friend and that girl.

Left to his hotel in her car and I took taxi to my hotel. Around 12 in noon I got a text from that girl saying that how come I am so good and my friend so bad. I asked her what happened. She told me that my friend gave her only $100 bill I. E 3200 bhat instead of 4000 bhat as promised and said that's all he got right now. I had no answer.

And told her that I will talk to my friend.

Now what do you think this girl is going to do from next time. 1. She is not going to go with any Indian guy. 2. If she dares to go with them she will ask for money up.

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[QUOTE=Maila;1724614] I happen to be of Indian origin. I noticed a somewhat heated debate on visiting Indians in the forum, their manners or lack thereof, and a seeming boycott by the local industry. This pains me. My initial reaction was: WTF did they do!?[/QUOTE]Many things, but their primary failing was failure to throw sufficient money around with sufficient abandon at sufficient people. Pattaya is an economy based on tips and lady drinks. Tip everyone at least 20 Baht and always buy a drink for yourself and a drink for a lady. In the morning, tip the lady several hundred more than promised or agreed. If you keep a death grip on your wallet, you will wear out your welcome mighty fast, regardless of race.

[QUOTE=Maila;1724614]Good day gentlemen!

1) I figured I could add 6-8 days before / after a weekend. I know Pattaya and Phuket are big draw areas for tourists. But, does saying that one is in Pattaya give away what you are doing there? In other words, is there other legitimate popular tourism also going on?

2) My second question is filled with regret. As it happens, I happen to be of Indian origin. I noticed a somewhat heated debate on visiting Indians in the forum, their manners or lack thereof, and a seeming boycott by the local industry. This pains me. My initial reaction was: WTF did they do!? In any case, my interest is not to re / start a flame war of any sort. I just want to see if I can get any input regarding traveling solo there and if it would be worth it or not in my case.

[/QUOTE]1) Pattaya does have a certain reputation. I tell certain business associates and married straight friends I am visiting Ko Lanta. Only my close friends know what I am really doing.

2) Maila, you sound like an educated, well financed, Indian Player. Therefor I think you will have a lot of fun in LOS. There are plenty of quality venues in Pattaya and BKK that do not close their doors to Indians. Just do a little homework on the forum and write down those establishments that discriminate so you can avoid them. It is their loss, not yours.

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1724631]You could try Devils Den as they claim to have this service on their site. I tried to call them many times, but couldn't get through to them during my stay there last week, hence am not sure if they are open.[/QUOTE]I just left LK Metro. They are open.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724647]there is certainly discrimination in Thailand against Indians. But Thais are, if nothing, a very practical people. I am sure if you throw around enough money they will get over these prejudices in a hurry.

When are you guys planning your trip? I'm around all August and would be happy to show you around a bit.[/QUOTE]We will be there in first week of June. Would have been great to meet you and roam around with an experienced player.

Spent 3 nights here during a transit in BKK. I found the gogo bars are just way too expensive to to take out. I have not been to Pattaya for about 4-5 years and the overall quality now still not that good. I think the majority of gogo ladies are mothers and age mid to late 20's. I saw a few doable ones in various gogo bars, but by no mean cuties, but they were asking 2000-2500 plus 700-800 bar fine for a ST, probably 1 hour of lazy work. I decided not to take any. There are now so many new gogos compared to 4 years ago. The ones I like are Sensation, Sugar Baby, Happy, What's up, Iron Club, Peppermint etc.

I checked out a few BJ bars instead. I checked Loritta near LK Metro, but all the staff were really fat and old, did not see anyone looks under 30. Went to Soi 6, I did not do any prior research, some lady directed me to go to Click Bar and My friend you bar, these 2 are special oral shops. The lineups were similar to Loritta, all girls on the chunky side and no one close to be doable if full sex is involved. A less chubby lady about age 30-35 was very enthusiastic to promote herself and offer me swallow as she said I drink for you. I did not feel any excitement but took her anyways. She kept her promise about her service. I actually feel a bit pity for her sucking all these strangers cocks and swallow all these strangers' cum for a few hundred bahts.

The cost was 800 for BJ, plus my beer 120, her coke 130?. The deed was done in the sofa semi private but I was the only one in there during the 30 min.

The other night I took a motorbike taxi to 3rd road, and found the Bliss Bar, another BJ specialist, but the 6 staff were really too unattractive for me even for a BJ, I left and checked out Club 4, not far from Bliss, but impossible to describe the location by words, a motorbike boy took me there in some dark alley and later I had a big problem walking back to the main street. The lineup was about 5 with 1 girl upstairs serving blow job, and all of them also looked old around 30-35, I was tired and thirsty ordered a beer and a Sprite, a lady was nagging me to take her, not attractive a little fat but very friendly, so decided to get the job done here because all these joints were practically with similar quality of staff. Cost is quite high here, 700 BJ, plus room fee (there is curtain they close when they blow you) 300, my beer 80? Coke 70? Her drink 150? The total was like 1300.

I also checked the lineups on Beach Road, I found about 2 doable ones along the whole stretch, 1 was not too friendly so I did not talk long and the other one insists she cannot blow till finish, I did not take her and she was taken a few min later by some Korean looking middle age guy. I sat nearby and could hear her said loudly she wants 1500ST, I think the Korean did not bargain. I think most these Beach Rd talents could be had for less than 1000, but for some of us it's finding a needle in haystack.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1724764]We will be there in first week of June. Would have been great to meet you and roam around with an experienced player.[/QUOTE]I am sure you guys will be fine. With the kind of bankroll you guys will be rolling with its hard not to have fun. .

I'd also recommend trying out the GoGos off LK Metro: Crystal and Destiny in particular. Some good lookers there and they are more laid back. It's just a hunch, but I think they may be less likely to discriminate than the places on WS.

But I'd definitely try and woop it up at Insomnia as I advised in the last post. I've had great luck there and the FLs there are very hot and give good GFE.

Have fun and please post your experiences. I am curious to see how much bang you get for all those baht you intend to spend. Sounds like you are gearing up for an epic adventure!

[QUOTE=FunFilled;1724713]Haven't you heard that one dirty fish spoils the whole pond. Yeh that's try bro. I will share with my last weekend experience in BKK. I am frequent visitor to BKK and.

Never had any problem getting in any high end Clubs, Bars or Restaurants people and girls always treat me with respect and dignity because I do the same. Last weekend two of my Indian friends from New Delhi Joined me in BKK and they wanted to do clubbing, So onus was on me to take them out.

We went to Levels around midnight as usual security staff greeted me and ask me where I have been. I told them work is keeping me busy these days. Inside we were.

Having good time drinking and dancing. One of my friends liked one girl standing alone at the corner so we called her over. She seemed to be nice girl working in mobile shop and here in levels to make some quick money. After few hours we decided to move to Mixx along with that girl. She offered us ride in her car but don't know.

Where Mixx is, so she asked me if I know the direction and I said yes. Once in Mixx again we had a good time, all the security people coming to me and saying Hi. I tip.

Them 20 bhat each generally inside there is 4-5 security guys. In total it cost me around 100 bhat but the respect they give me is worth more than that. I never have to stand in q or ever have to go through body check.

Now here is the main point. My friend from Delhi sealed the deal with this girl for 4000 bhat till afternoon. Around 4 in morning we all left Mixx. My friend and that girl.

Left to his hotel in her car and I took taxi to my hotel. Around 12 in noon I got a text from that girl saying that how come I am so good and my friend so bad. I asked her what happened. She told me that my friend gave her only $100 bill I. E 3200 bhat instead of 4000 bhat as promised and said that's all he got right now. I had no answer.

And told her that I will talk to my friend.

Now what do you think this girl is going to do from next time. 1. She is not going to go with any Indian guy. 2. If she dares to go with them she will ask for money up.

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I hope you made up the difference to her? Now it is your name on the line. That is why I go solo and conduct my own business, pay and tip to my way. Not CC ways.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1724844]It has taken more than one bad fish to spoil the pond. Actually to be truthful it not just a pond but an ocean they have spoiled or maybe the 7 seas. This reputation has been well earned, deserving and paid for.[/QUOTE]More akin to the societal [I]Crabs in a barrel[/I] phenomenon I would say. Just today I was researching Pattaya Hotels on tripadvisor and one property had review after review mentioning the loud and obnoxious Indian tour groups which frequented the place. Cross that one off the list thank you very much!

With such a consistent level of ill public behavior it is no wonder the working girls have qualms about agreeing to private hookups.

SunLover.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724829]...

I'd also recommend trying out the GoGos off LK Metro: Crystal and Destiny in particular. Some good lookers there and they are more laid back. It's just a hunch, but I think they may be less likely to discriminate than the places on WS....[/QUOTE]They discriminate as well. I had falang friends waiting inside Crystal and the thai doorman didn't seem convinced. He looked to his falang boss (or manager) who finally agreed to let me in.

The Sugar / Paradise go gos towards the end of LK Metro will let solo flyers in (the decision is arbitrary).

Hi dear chap,

A nice cost report.

I have the question. How and where did you get the cheap fucks in Pattaya?

I am 58 years old with a good body but a skinny 22-29 year old asks me always 4000 bath in Thailand! Already 8 years ago!

Maybe I am just for friendly.

Second I have the remark. Ladies drinks (and buying clothes and food a lot of guys do to get "free girls") have to be put on the "fuck bill" of a girl!

(That's why I always take street walkers. Look - take to one to fuck. And throw again on the street. Maybe giving one supermarket drink in my hotel room is she looks nice).

Further; at you're home you don't just sit in house doing nothing I imagine!

Looking in bikini bars and the possibility just not the need to take "again" a woman but just take a cheap drink is the biggest biggest biggest benefit of all in Thailand.

That's much better then wasting time on watching TV / DVD.

For the first time after 8 years I can go alone (without my wife) to Thailand.

But I am so afraid to get to horny in the bikini bars.

And pay 4000 bath for a skinny younger girl (20-22 year) or again 800 bath for another ugly older one of which I get sick to have with me the whole night with me.

In fact that's what get me run out of Thailand 8 years ago again and again.

(also the drugs they put in opened bottled drinks and the stealing ladyboys).

Only the girls you remember afterwards at home where worth the money and effort!

Many times in the old days I mixed up pictures of the girls at home because they just all look all the same.

These days I just take "special girls" who "do something" to me.

Sorry for type mistakes. I am Dutch.

But hey. I am 58 years and 2 x fuck a day will do.

[QUOTE=WildBillLewis;1704752]One question I puzzled over before my trip was the question of budget. I'm retired, I'm 60 years old, and want to make a number of trips over the next decade. The only way I'll be able to stretch the money I've saved for such follies is to set a budget each trip and try to stick to it. For this trip I set aside a budget of $6,000 Canadian. For the purposes of comparison, that would be roughly $6,200 in Australian dollars, about $4,700 in US dollars and around 3,200 in British pounds.

About $1,000 Canadian (17%) went to airfare to get me there and back. While I was there, I either walked or took the Baht bus for the most part. For accommodation I budgeted another $1,000 Canadian, which worked out to just over 900 Baht a day. For day-to-day necessities like food (bought mostly from street vendors) and other odds and sods (like smokes, beer for the room, proper massages, hair cuts, shaves, additional condoms, Kamagara, etc.), I set aside another $1,000 Canadian, which worked out to another 900 Baht a day. I deliberately set aside nothing for excursions: I had toured about Thailand two years ago: the focus of this trip was girls and I didn't intend to fritter my money away on things unrelated to the purpose. This left me roughly $3,000 Canadian, or half of my budget, to be spent on chasing girls and activities related to getting them into bed. This worked out to about 2,700 Baht a day. Converted back to Canadian dollars, this was roughly equivalent to spending $110 Canadian a day..[/QUOTE]

Pattaya Report – Day 7 (Final night).

This is my last day to monger in Pattaya. In the morning I return to Bangkok to see friends and don't expect to monger there, so this will also be my last night to monger in Thailand. Mixed feelings about this. I am getting tired and all good things must end, but I hope the day goes well.

Even though I didn't get to bed until 4:30 AM after flopping out on WS, I still crawled out of bed at 10 AM. I was hungry and crossed over to the beach side of Beach Road to view the pretty water. I passed by an attractive lady standing alone with a purse and a market bag. I smiled and she smiled back and I kept walking. Wait. Is she a FLer? I turned around and found her looking back at me. I turned around and went over to her and started talking. After a bit I said I was heading to lunch and would she like to join me. Yes, she did, and we went to Pizza Hut. She said she had worked in BKK but quit her job as her boss was mean due to declining sales or something, so she had an aunt in Pattaya who said she could get a job down here. Well, she hasn't been able to find one yet. Later, in asking more about her family, she said she had a son in a BKK hospital needing an operation for a stomach condition and, while he could stay in the hospital for free, she needed 5000 B for the surgery. Well, hmm. The girl has very good English, is nicely dressed, has very good manners and is clean and well groomed. She does not look at all like a typical FLer or bar girl. She actually looks like she has some Indian in her. But really, this is a classy woman. Very slender, and I was shocked when she said she was 38. I really don't know if the story about needing 5000 B by Monday is true or not. Irrelevant to me, but I then asked her what she was out doing on Beach Road. "Trying to sell myself" was the blunt answer! She knew of no other way to get the money she needed. I am thinking I have another potential GFE here, so I asked if she wanted to come with me to my hotel, and she does. Back in my room, she showers, then I shower and we come together in bed. She is pretty flat chested and probably doesn't have an ounce of unnecessary fat on her. Very tight and toned, with dark skin. I am kind of disappointed in that she quickly goes to BBBJ. Guess this won't be a GFE after all, but the BJ is nicely done. She takes me in deep and does it nice and slow. CIM might have been ok, but we proceed to cowboy, then doggie then missionary. At first she was super wet, but she dries out and I have to get some lube. Very little kissing. I fake an orgasm since, as I said in my last report, I am trying to conserve fluids and she really wasn't worth it. I mean, see is more than OK for a FLer I suppose, and if her story is true, I can understand her feeling some disgust for what she is having to do, but as with EMP, my first FLer, I am about the best guy she is going to find. I figure she is only worth 1000 B, but what the heck, I had a nice lunch with her so I gave her 2000 B. She did seem very grateful for that amount. She is attractive enough that she should have no problem getting another 3000 B over the weekend whether she has a sick boy in BKK or not.

Soon after that I decide to hit Soi 6. I walk up and down before heading back a third time to settle for a girl at Perry's Bar who was looking cute. Cee was her name. Not a spinner, but still a slender figure but with larger than normal breasts for a Thai girl. Sweet face and, of course, happy to see me. Bar fine there was 350 B and her rate was 1000 B. My kind of numbers. We go upstairs and shower. In bed, she immediately starts with a vigorous BBBJ. She is a little rough with the jewels and I have to tell her to slow down and take it easy. I really don't like a BJ to start when I am less than hard. I asked her to just lie next to me, and the touching helped me get harder than the BJ. When hard, on goes the condom and she slips me inside her. Sex is pretty standard. Nothing really special. She is ok though. I again decide to conserve fluids. She is sad, saying that she came and hoped that I would too. She started tugging on me but was rough again and I said to stop. We cuddled a bit so I could play with her breasts, then we had a clean-up shower and I left. If you like sex fast and rough, try Cee at the Perry Bar. It is closer to Second Street than BR.

I left and walked towards to BR. I passed Offshore Bar, and Nam saw me and waved me over. She was all smiles, as cute as yesterday. I left and kept walking, thinking maybe I would try another bar, but no lady really jumped out at me so I returned to my hotel to work on this report and start packing for a mid-morning departure back to BKK. Happy yet depressed at the same time. But, yeah, if I manage to hook up with a girl tonight – and I WILL as I have conserved my fluids sufficiently that I can let some out – it will be the first time I have been with 3 ladies in one day. Is that an accomplishment I should be proud of? Probably not, as it is happening simply because I am dumb enough to spend money on tang.

I head out to WS a bit before 9 PM. Being a Friday night, it was very busy. My intent was to hit Peppermint up fairly early in the evening and check on #8, the super hot girl I have been lusting for the last few days. The previous night I had really been hitting if off with the mama san to help me out. Would it pay dividends?

First, I went to Living Dolls again. A girl I had fun with was out front and pulled me in. This was my third time here and they have some really cute girls. The girl who grabbed me apparently no longer, or maybe never did, do takeout, but she wanted me to bar fine her for 2 hours and walk around and have dinner. Ummmm, no thanks, but I was polite. She had some friends over from the night before and I bought lots of drinks, but it was getting time to head back to the Peppermint to check if #8 was available and would let me bar fine her.

Walking in, I sat down and the Mamma San quickly spots me. She says #8 is there and do I want to see her? Yes. The girl I sat with yesterday also sees me and comes over. Even though she knows I won't BF her, she knows I am generous with the LDs and she sets down next me. The Mamma San brings #8 over, who is indeed quite attractive. But she knows very little English and seems very shy. How can a woman this beautiful be shy?

Anyway, yes, I want to BF her even though the total costs will be 5200 B. Yes, a lot, but that is for long term until 10 AM the next day. This would be a bargain in the US. We finally leave and her lack of English is showing. I ask if she is hungry and she asks if I am. It is nice she is considerate of me, and with some probing I find that she might be a little hungry so we exit WS and go into the McDonalds just outside the exit. She orders a fish sandwich. We catch a blue truck back to my hotel, but we talk about massages and I ask if she wants one. She asks if I want one. I said I could use a foot massage. We stop at the corner place on Soi 13 and Second Road. She picks a back rub. I picked the foot massage. I should have picked a couples massage (or skipped a massage all together) as they took her back to a private area and I stayed out in the general area. An hour later we enter the hotel.

We talked a little and I ask how long she has been in Pattaya. She says 2 weeks. Wow. I assume she means she has only been in this business for 2 weeks! That means either I will get a GFE as that is the only sex she really knows, or she will be a starfish, totally unsure what to do and possible still scared. Again, communicating with her is difficult and many things I ask about she doesn't understand. We shower, separately. She turns on the TV while I go first. When she is done, she comes out wrapped in her towel and slips into bed. I start touching her. She lies there, dead. I pull the towel away to get access to her breasts. Awesome, soft, round and a hand full. Still no reaction from her. I pull the towel down slowly and eventually get to her V. Shaven, and after a few minutes I think I am getting her to warm up. She is very wet, but she seems to be withholding any type of emotional action. Sheesh. Starfish. Totally limp rag. I am being slow and gentle, giving her a BFE, but still no reaction from her. I think of sending her home at this point, but it late. I put on a condom and enter her. She still just lies there, and as I start thrusting, she makes some moans but I am not sure if they are moans of pleasure or moans of pain. I think that if she has only been working less than 2 weeks, for all I know, she may have only been with a few men before me, so maybe she still hurts down there, even though she didn't seem super tight. But when I ask if she is ok, she just smiles. I ask for doggie and she quickly changes position. She is very nice this way, but still no reaction. Back to missionary. I still can't tell if I am hurting her or not. She might have touched me a few times during this whole time, but this beautiful woman I have lusted about for several days is almost making me limp as I contemplate the moral or otherwise proper thing to do. I am thinking of stopping and just saying sorry, you are free to go, or going back to the mamma san to complain. But I don't. I figure the best thing is for me to simply finish. Viewing her body makes that a not-to-difficult task, as she is indeed beautiful.

When done, she pulls the towel back over her while I go shower. She does not take a shower. She continues to watch TV. I feel a bit guilty, though I shouldn't, and tell her I am sorry she doesn't like me and she can leave if she wants. She smiles but continues to lay there. Did she not understand? Whatever. I roll over and try to sleep. She turns the volume down a few minutes later, which I think was thoughtful. During the night our bodies touched occasionally and she never jerked away from me, so I don't think she found me repulsive. I have been the perfect gentleman with her. Well, other than continuing sex that she was not very interesting in having, that is. At a bit past 9:30 AM, I get up to get ready as my taxi is to pick me up at 10:30. She gets up and, seeing me getting dressed, she asks if it is ok for her to leave. Sure. I mean, this girl is so shy and seemed like she was doing what she was told to do. I mean, the Mamma San told her to go with me and I heard the mamma san tell her to stay with me to 10. (So I guess buttering up the mamma san does help!) Nice girl, shy and still a bit innocent I guess.

Anyway, I kind of feel sorry for the girl. So pretty and someone, for whatever reason, who is now a hooker and big, bad men will use and abuse her. She will make some good money, but at what cost? But I delve in moral issues and that is not the intent in a trip report.

Anyway, I cannot recommend #8 at the Peppermint. Awesome babe, but total dishrag in bed. You will feel great walking out with this fine lady, and I think she is a fine lady, but she will fail you in bed. Beauty fades in a dim hotel room, so spend your money on one who will be fun. However, after a while, Phon may adjust and be as crazy as the rest. But I would not bet 5200 B on it.

After she left, I finished my packing, went to the bus station for the Bell bus to BKK. Just outside of Pattaya, the driver slams on the brakes, I hear a boom then see broken glass flying by my window then a car comes spinning past my window! Yikes. The bus is ok, but the rear end of the car is smashed in. I doubt whoever was in the car survived. Bell sends out a replacement bus to take us away within 20 minutes, to their credit. I don't think Bell was at fault in the accident, but the Thailand crazy driving claims another victim. My thoughts are with the victim and his family.

I am returning to see a different girl I knew through OK Cupid that evening, one I don't expect sex with (and my expectations are later met). And, the next day, to spend my last days in Bangkok with my original Thai GF.

This ends the mongering portion of the Trip Report. 4 nights in Phuket and 7 nights in Pattaya. I may later give some conclusions here and back on the general Thailand board where this report began.

At this time I am back in the USA. It has taken over a week to get this report posted. I will have some final comments, suggestions, etc. In a few more days.

I hit Insomnia just before midnight to take advantage of the cheaper beers. There were not too many people, but I approached a girl in a startingly red dress who was at a table alone with her ugly friend. Her face was very beautiful, she looked about 28, and her English was excellent. I took her out to the Oasis short-time hotel. Her body was OK, especially from the back, as her waist / hip ratio was optimal. But it still looked better in a dress. The dress had a high-cut slit on each side which revealed her thigh almost up to her waist, and I could rub against it when we walked hand-in-hand to the hotel, which was the best part.

She gave me BBBJ, then lowered herself on top of me. We switched positions many times. She convincingly faked an orgasm at least once. She was not exactly trying to hurry me up, but she was surprised that I took so long before coming. The alcohol, as usual.

For a break, I told her to take off the condom and blow me, which she did. I then put on a second condom and managed to finish off what I had started.

Overall, just a so-so experience. I think the problem of going too early is that they are not quite as desperate as at 2 am, and they think they can squeeze in another conquest before the night is over. Would I repeat? No, but I'm happy I got one more P4 P notch. All the girls are different.

Hi everyone,

My maiden trip is quite exciting and I'm liking it thoroughly. Reached Pattaya morning around 7 am. Had to wait for the room in LK Metropole. So went for a walk about 8. 30 am. No activity. Found very few FL's here and there. Went to walking street. Totally empty. Few massage parlors open. No good selection. Lot of touts inciting and persuading for massage and boom boom. By chance got to honey 1 body massage. As suggested by members, tried it. It was 11 am. Only 3 girls available. Blue badge 2500 b. Ted badge 2000 b. Me and my friend chose two blue badge. It was my first soapy. Quite White exciting. The girl did lot of pleasing work throughout. Good slides and great fuck in multiple positions. Had 2 pops with her. Tipped her 200 b for great 90 minutes. Came back. Slept for an hour. Had lunch.

Went to Soi 6 around 4 pm. Not great collection. Nothing exciting. Came back to room. Saw a FL in beach road. Chubby and cute and fleshy. Spoke to her and negotiated for 1000 b for st. Had a decent session. Took rest after seeing off her. Worked our for 40 mins. Got ready. Came out at 8 pm. Places started getting crowded. Soi LK metro gogo's were good. Lot of girls were excited to see a client and were literally pulling me inside. Excused myself. Beach road good collection around 9 pm. Few ladyboys too. No issues but. Sitting now at Insomnia. Very few fls. Thinking of hitting Pier or Mixxx.

Lot of Chinese crowd outside. Indians not hated that much. I think one's attitude behavior and conduct matters.

If anyone can suggest proper timings to hit clubs and beach road for fls it would be helpful.

Secondly I would like to try a soapy with porn star experience and good body slide skills. Can anyone suggest better than soapy??

Thinking of trying a BJ bar also tomorrow. Let's see how it goes. Might hit [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

But before that let's see how the night goes.

Surya

First of all I must commend Wild Bill on a full and thorough Pattaya education. I am 36 and I want to be like Wild Bill when I grow up. I will be in Thailand for the very first time in August and split it between see. Mai, Phuket, BKK with the most time being spent in Pattaya, around 4 nights maybe a couple more.

Personally I don't care for looks within reason, I will not be specifically seeking out stunners, just girls who are good at what they do. Also not hugely into quick boom boom, but I will try it on occasion in the beer bars. The go go bars hold no interest for me, maybe as a once off for the experience. My main focus from all the research will be FL'ers and LT and I think I will adopt Wild Bill's strategy of ST during the day and LT at night, by prowling beach road and and the discos.

I have done too much RTFF and its getting addictive, I need to stop for a while. A couple of quick questions. It seems from my reading that almost everybody books the room on arrival for the best deal and the opportunity to view the room first, I think I will do the same. This may seem pretty obvious but I take it you just book a double room and confirm with the person that checks you in that there is no problem bringing over night guests without hidden charges, also do the girls normally have to show ID or register at reception or is straight to the room without stopping at reception. I would prefer the hotel or guest house with the least fuss.

Also Wild Bill mentioned Kamagra a few times, can anybody advise on where to get hold of this in Thailand or is it legal to bring your own. Any other advice appreciated.

One more thing I may set up a profile on Thai friendly as a back up as well as Tinder, as well as getting a sim card when I land.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;1725700]It seems from my reading that almost everybody books the room on arrival for the best deal and the opportunity to view the room first, I think I will do the same. This may seem pretty obvious but I take it you just book a double room and confirm with the person that checks you in that there is no problem bringing over night guests without hidden charges, also do the girls normally have to show ID or register at reception or is straight to the room without stopping at reception. I would prefer the hotel or guest house with the least fuss.
[/QUOTE]I guess I'm not "everybody". I book my rooms beforehand through the services of [URL]http://www.booking.com[/URL] or the like. When I arrive I can go straight to the room and don't to have to wander around with my luggage, checking and comparing hotel rooms and prices. Yes, you may save yourself a few hundred baht, but I don't feel it is worth it.

If you want to make sure the hotel is guest-friendly, just email them and ask what their joiner policy is.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;1725700]Also Wild Bill mentioned Kamagra a few times, can anybody advise on where to get hold of this in Thailand or is it legal to bring your own. Any other advice appreciated.
[/QUOTE]I have no idea whether it is legal or not to import Kamagra or other Vitamin V, but all pharmacies in the mongering areas in Bangkok and Pattaya will sell it to you. Or you can ask for the Thai local variant which is even cheaper.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;1725700]Personally I don't care for looks within reason, I will not be specifically seeking out stunners, just girls who are good at what they do. Also not hugely into quick boom boom, but I will try it on occasion in the beer bars. The go go bars hold no interest for me, maybe as a once off for the experience. My main focus from all the research will be FL'ers and LT and I think I will adopt Wild Bill's strategy of ST during the day and LT at night, by prowling beach road and and the discos.

[/QUOTE]Damn son, prepare for the ride of your life!

I go for stunners and it's some times hard to find them (but I always manage). But if you will settle for 6's and 7's you won't be disappointed. Not being in high demand many of these girls are horny as hell and will perform miracles in bed to keep you interested.

And they are not fat and crabby like the girls back home. LOL.

In fact, they aren't bad looking at all. You just tend to get spoiled in the candy store that is Pattaya.

Discos like Insomnia is stocked wall to wall with them.

Have fun and post your impressions!

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

P.S.: I don't use Kramagra, but I do pop the occasions Cialis when down there to keep up the pace. Good safe pills (including, Kramagra, I'm sure) are available over the counter at most reputable pharmacists.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;1725700]First of all I must commend Wild Bill on a full and thorough Pattaya education. I am 36 and I want to be like Wild Bill when I grow up. I will be in Thailand for the very first time in August and split it between see. Mai, Phuket, BKK with the most time being spent in Pattaya, around 4 nights maybe a couple more.

Personally I don't care for looks within reason, I will not be specifically seeking out stunners, just girls who are good at what they do. Also not hugely into quick boom boom, but I will try it on occasion in the beer bars. The go go bars hold no interest for me, maybe as a once off for the experience. My main focus from all the research will be FL'ers and LT and I think I will adopt Wild Bill's strategy of ST during the day and LT at night, by prowling beach road and and the discos.

I have done too much RTFF and its getting addictive, I need to stop for a while. A couple of quick questions. It seems from my reading that almost everybody books the room on arrival for the best deal and the opportunity to view the room first, I think I will do the same. This may seem pretty obvious but I take it you just book a double room and confirm with the person that checks you in that there is no problem bringing over night guests without hidden charges, also do the girls normally have to show ID or register at reception or is straight to the room without stopping at reception. I would prefer the hotel or guest house with the least fuss.

Also Wild Bill mentioned Kamagra a few times, can anybody advise on where to get hold of this in Thailand or is it legal to bring your own. Any other advice appreciated.

One more thing I may set up a profile on Thai friendly as a back up as well as Tinder, as well as getting a sim card when I land.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Not pre booking your room is the worst idea. Do you think a Hilton, Holiday Inn, or any other major hotel chain are going to cheat you? This is not general practice to fly across the world and not book a hotel in advance. During high season you would get a big surprise when all the rooms are booked. You be be stuck paying 10,000 per night or 500 in a roach trap.

Two new Gentleman's clubs added to the Pattaya scene. A search of this thread did not find a previous post on this. Club 007, almost next door to Club 4. The other is Excite Club, on Soi Xzyte, aka Chaloem Phrakiat 23 ally on Google Maps. This is a diagonal road between Soi Buakhao, near LK Metro and Third Road. If you know where the Triangle Bar and Oasis AGoGo is located: From Soi Buakhao with Oasis AGoGo on the corner (your right hand side) enter Soi Chaloem Phrakiat 25, bear to the left at the Triangle bar into Soi Xzyte, go past the continental bakery and Excite Club and Cottys apartment will come up about 4/5 units down on your right hand side. Excite has been getting positive reviews on a local Pattaya Board. Supposedly some former Club 4 ladies started this club on their own.

My main girl does the accounting at a gogo on Walking Street. Me and my wingman stopped in last night to see her because she said she was sad that she had not seen me in 1 day. We order 2 waters which come to 240 baht. I paid the bill and got my change back. I left 20 baht in the folder on the table that we were sitting at. I went back over to my girl to tell her that we were leaving. A girl brought the folder to my girl's desk and put the 20 baht into a big, square, clear container. No idea how many other places are like this, but it appears that at her spot the tips go into a general fund. So if you call yourself giving a tip to a particular person, then it may be the case that it is spread amongst everyone and not just your intended recipient.

You could try 24/7 pattaya [URL]outcall.com[/URL], they have masseurs sent to your hotel room. The service is reasonable & the girls are clean. I've availed the service on all the days I was there. Can also PM their contact details if required.

Hi everyone,

My maiden trip is quite exciting and I'm liking it thoroughly. Reached Pattaya morning around 7 am. Had to wait for the room in LK Metropole. So went for a walk about 8. 30 am. No activity. Found very few FL's here and there. Went to walking street. Totally empty. Few massage parlors open. No good selection. Lot of touts inciting and persuading for massage and boom boom. By chance got to honey 1 body massage. As suggested by members, tried it. It was 11 am. Only 3 girls available. Blue badge 2500 be. Ted badge 2000 be. Me and my friend chose two blue badge. It was my first soapy. Quite White exciting. The girl did lot of pleasing work throughout. Good slides and great fuck in multiple positions. Had 2 pops with her. Tipped her 200 be for great 90 minutes. Came back. Slept for an hour. Had lunch.

Went to Soi 6 around 4 pm. Not great collection. Nothing exciting. Came back to room. Saw a FL in beach road. Chubby and cute and fleshy. Spoke to her and negotiated for 1000 be for st. Had a decent session. Took rest after seeing off her. Worked our for 40 minutes. Got ready. Came out at 8 pm. Places started getting crowded. Soi LK metro gogo's were good. Lot of girls were excited to see a client and were literally pulling me inside. Excused myself. Beach road good collection around 9 pm. Few ladyboys too. No issues but. Sitting now at Insomnia. Very few fls. Thinking of hitting Pier or Mixxx.

Lot of Chinese crowd outside. Indians not hated that much. I think one's attitude behavior and conduct matters.

If anyone can suggest proper timings to hit clubs and beach road for fls it would be helpful.

Secondly I would like to try a soapy with porn star experience and good body slide skills. Can anyone suggest better than soapy??

Thinking of trying a BJ bar also tomorrow. Let's see how it goes.

But before that let's see how the night goes.

Surya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1725917]I left 20 baht in the folder on the table that we were sitting at. I went back over to my girl to tell her that we were leaving. A girl brought the folder to my girl's desk and put the 20 baht into a big, square, clear container. No idea how many other places are like this, but it appears that at her spot the tips go into a general fund. So if you call yourself giving a tip to a particular person, then it may be the case that it is spread amongst everyone and not just your intended recipient.[/QUOTE]Mr. Enternational: It is my understanding most go gos in Pattaya and BKK share tips among the staff. If you want your server to get a tip I was told to put it in their hand directly or it goes to the genral tip fund. Personally I want to tip my server but I am uncomfortable giving my server a tip and then nothing for the rest of the staff. Perhaps you could ask your friend what is appropriate.

Does anybody else have an opinion on this? I have wondered about this for a long time.

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1725990]
My maiden trip is quite exciting and I'm liking it thoroughly. Reached Pattaya morning around 7 am. Had to wait for the room in LK Metropole. So went for a walk about 8. 30 am. No activity. Found very few FL's here and there. Went to walking street. Totally empty. Few massage parlors open. No good selection. Lot of touts inciting and persuading for massage and boom boom. By chance got to honey 1 body massage. As suggested by members, tried it. It was 11 am. Only 3 girls available. Blue badge 2500 be. Ted badge 2000 be. Me and my friend chose two blue badge. It was my first soapy. Quite White exciting. The girl did lot of pleasing work throughout. Good slides and great fuck in multiple positions. Had 2 pops with her. Tipped her 200 be for great 90 minutes. Came back. Slept for an hour. Had lunch.

Surya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;1725622]Hi everyone,

My maiden trip is quite exciting and I'm liking it thoroughly. Reached Pattaya morning around 7 am. Had to wait for the room in LK Metropole. So went for a walk about 8. 30 am. No activity. Found very few FL's here and there. Went to walking street. Totally empty. Few massage parlors open. No good selection. Lot of touts inciting and persuading for massage and boom boom. By chance got to honey 1 body massage. As suggested by members, tried it. It was 11 am. Only 3 girls available. Blue badge 2500 b. Ted badge 2000 b. Me and my friend chose two blue badge. It was my first soapy. Quite White exciting. The girl did lot of pleasing work throughout. Good slides and great fuck in multiple positions. Had 2 pops with her. Tipped her 200 b for great 90 minutes. Came back. Slept for an hour. Had lunch.

Surya[/QUOTE]Now dude why would you be posting twice or using two ids on the forum?

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1725990]If anyone can suggest proper timings to hit clubs and beach road for fls it would be helpful.
[/QUOTE]Ummm. Probably not 8 AM. LOL. Pattaya is a late nigh town. At 8 AM you should be banging the girl you took home the night before, not trolling the MPs.

As for Soapies, I like Honey 2. But don't go until late afternoon early evening.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1726160]Now dude why would you be posting twice or using two ids on the forum?[/QUOTE]Check out post #16970 the dude is actually replying to himself: [URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1724623[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1725907]Two new Gentleman's clubs added to the Pattaya scene. A search of this thread did not find a previous post on this. Club 007, almost next door to Club 4. The other is Excite Club, on Soi Xzyte, aka Chaloem Phrakiat 23 ally on Google Maps. This is a diagonal road between Soi Buakhao, near LK Metro and Third Road. If you know where the Triangle Bar and Oasis AGoGo is located: From Soi Buakhao with Oasis AGoGo on the corner (your right hand side) enter Soi Chaloem Phrakiat 25, bear to the left at the Triangle bar into Soi Xzyte, go past the continental bakery and Excite Club and Cottys apartment will come up about 4/5 units down on your right hand side. Excite has been getting positive reviews on a local Pattaya Board. Supposedly some former Club 4 ladies started this club on their own.[/QUOTE]There is also a new one at Jomtien called Passions, girls look ok there and sometimes have themed days.

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1725990]You could try 24/7 pattaya [URL]outcall.com[/URL], they have masseurs sent to your hotel room. The service is reasonable & the girls are clean. I've availed the service on all the days I was there. Can also PM their contact details if required.

Hi everyone,

My maiden trip is quite exciting and I'm liking it thoroughly. Reached Pattaya morning around 7 am. Had to wait for the room in LK Metropole. So went for a walk about 8. 30 am. No activity. Found very few FL's here and there. Went to walking street. Totally empty. Few massage parlors open. No good selection. Lot of touts inciting and persuading for massage and boom boom. By chance got to honey 1 body massage. As suggested by members, tried it. It was 11 am. Only 3 girls available. Blue badge 2500 be. Ted badge 2000 be. Me and my friend chose two blue badge. It was my first soapy. Quite White exciting. The girl did lot of pleasing work throughout. Good slides and great fuck in multiple positions. Had 2 pops with her. Tipped her 200 be for great 90 minutes. Came back. Slept for an hour. Had lunch..[/QUOTE]I have the best luck at Insomnia between 1 am and 3 am. Beach Road, 10 pm should work.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1726160]Now dude why would you be posting twice or using two ids on the forum?[/QUOTE]Some error in the way the post was displayed I guess. I was replying to the request of Indstallion31.

[QUOTE=Allover;1726124]Mr. Enternational: It is my understanding most go gos in Pattaya and BKK share tips among the staff. If you want your server to get a tip I was told to put it in their hand directly or it goes to the genral tip fund. Personally I want to tip my server but I am uncomfortable giving my server a tip and then nothing for the rest of the staff. Perhaps you could ask your friend what is appropriate.

Does anybody else have an opinion on this? I have wondered about this for a long time.[/QUOTE]What is appropriate is to leave behind the small change (the coins) as a tip for the staff. It's not common nor expected that you tip your server personally or separately, not for normal service anyway.

But if you want to do that then put it in her hand directly as you suggested. But personally I'm only doing that if she has really given me a very good time, eg. she sat with me and allowed me to grope. But when that happens she usually got a few lady drinks from me and I don't feel obligated to tip her on top of that.

My first bit of mongering in Pattaya, began by checking out a few places around Soi 7 and 8, one of the bars was pretty good with gorgeous girls dancing on the bar and I picked a great seat! A good start to the night, the other places I looked in didn't seem particularly interesting though and I made my way to walking street, had a short stop at Sky bar where all the girls were in the same school girl type outfit. Drinks pretty expensive but the atmosphere and girls were awesome!

Then headed into Secrets on Soi 14, initially it seemed pretty quiet but all the girls were huddled around one table. Apparently someone had just forked out 7 K baht to ring a bell! As things settled down to girls started paying a bit more attention to us, the mamasan even bought me a couple of drinks, though I figured I'd better reciprocate and buy her drinks too and this seemed to grab the girls' attention. Chatted to a few of the girls but eventually settled on Ammi, nice stunner can't have been older than 20, had braces (or maybe fake braces?) and she stroked me intimately the entire time I was drinking with her. My policy is first time is always short time to which she asked for 2 K baht. The mamasan said the bar fine before 2 am was 1 K and 600 after, it was about 1.15 at this time so I figured may as well wait. Once it was about 1.45 am the mamasan said it'd be OK for me to go ahead with the 600 baht bar fine. Walked back to hotel, both showered and ready to go! Ammi gave good oral, although I could feel her braces on my penis which isn't the most pleasant sensation so on with sex and Ammi energetically got on top and we humped away but not for very long! She was surprisingly loud for a Thai girl and the tight pussy and energetic humping made me blow my loud pretty quick! A memorable experience and Ammi didn't try to leave the moment I popped she got back between the sheets and we cuddled for awhile before I told her she could go.

I did find some places on walking street weren't welcoming. I'm British of Indian origin and I did find a couple places claiming they weren't open yet and at the Thai Boxing place the rude old hag of a waitress immediately told me to get out. On the other hand plenty of Thai girls were also quiet welcoming at other establishments, quiet enthusiastically inviting me inside. I was also surprised to see that the Indian Disco (Tony's on walking street) was packed out with Thai girls, given that almost all the men in there were Indian tourists I can only assume these girls were there to attract an Indian customer.

Overall I did find Pattaya more laid back than Bangkok and definitely cheaper to get around, the people seemed friendlier too with a lot more Wei-ing directed at me. There really didn't seem to be a lot to do outside the mongering scene though and unfortunately the hotel I picked (and paid for in advance) was a terrible choice.

The Green View hotel, off Soi 15, although a very central location and fairly cheap, had no noise insulation whatsoever, and the noise level was too high for me to get any sleep before 5 am! This did spoil my trip as I really didn't feel like shagging much due to sleep deprivation so I guess that's a lesson learned for the future.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1725199]Pattaya Report Day 7 (Final night).

This is my last day to monger in Pattaya. In the morning I return to Bangkok to see friends and don't expect to monger there, so this will also be my last night to monger in Thailand. Mixed feelings about this. I am getting tired and all good things must end, but I hope the day goes well.

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At this time I am back in the USA. It has taken over a week to get this report posted. I will have some final comments, suggestions, etc. In a few more days.[/QUOTE]Hi FL Hawk,

I just finished reading your reports, and I loved them. (I remember you saying you liked my reports from March in Bangkok. We are similar, age 60, relative newbies, etc).

I know some posters say they prefer to see just information, but I MUCH prefer the travelogue kind of reports, especially those like yours which have the interesting detail and share feelings / emotions and things that go wrong. And have a sense of humor and self-deprecation. I empathized a lot!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=JRoberto;1727771]Hi FL Hawk,

I just finished reading your reports, and I loved them. (I remember you saying you liked my reports from March in Bangkok. We are similar, age 60, relative newbies, etc).

I know some posters say they prefer to see just information, but I MUCH prefer the travelogue kind of reports, especially those like yours which have the interesting detail and share feelings / emotions and things that go wrong. And have a sense of humor and self-deprecation. I empathized a lot!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Thank you. I understand that the more experienced guys prefer just the facts, but I knew the facts going in and still got flustered and a bit overwhelmed by it all. I tried to provide some actual experience to aid other newbies. I was aware that I would sound a bit like a wuss perhaps to many, as how difficult can it be to pick up a girl on Walking Street? Well, some of us will have difficulty with this and I wanted to show, though actual experience, that it really is pretty easy and there is nothing to get all that flustered about.

I know that if I go back, I should have a different experience as I now have a working knowledge of how the system works. Oh, there are still things to master, such as learning how to pick up someone at a disco, and how the places along Soi 13/2, say, work, but no doubt that I will not go back to my hotel alone on the first two nights I am there!

I am sure the Pattaya of today is quite different than the Pattaya of 10 years ago, but it is still an awesome place for a man to visit, even us old dudes.

I should have went straight through to Angeles City. Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727923] Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.[/QUOTE]Why?

(need to trype this part to meet 10 character minimum).

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727923]I should have went straight through to Angeles City. Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.[/QUOTE]I am curious as to "why". We try to post our experiences, the good, bad and ugly so we can learn from each other.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727923]I should have went straight through to Angeles City. Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.[/QUOTE]If you can't have fun in Pattaya and think Angeles is better, you need to check your compass.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727923]I should have went straight through to Angeles City. Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.[/QUOTE]In the Angeles City Thread you wrote about many scams. So could you explain to us in which scams you have been involved in Pattaya? Because reading the forum it seems that the scams are much more common with freelancers in AC! I go to Thailand since 2006 (Samui, Phuket, Pattaya and Bangkok) and I never had any problem with scams.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727923]Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.[/QUOTE]My first visit to Pattaya started out as only so-so. It took a few of days to find my groove. Some details would help us help you right the ship.

SL.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727923]I should have went straight through to Angeles City. Pattaya is shaping up to be my worst "vacation" ever. "Land of Smiles", LOL.[/QUOTE]Dee gwah tah pood thai dai (It's better if you can speak Thai).

Here is Lou32's post in the Philippines forum.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1727927]So far, Pattaya sucks. Can't wait to get to AC. The top stunners at the gogos here look like slightly above average Pinays. It turns out that most of these Thai girls are ugly to me. Filipinas turn me on but I thought I'd give these Thai women a chance. Big mistake and a waste of money. So many scams here too! The infrastructure is slightly better than AC but that's it.

I've been hoodwinked about the so called Land of Smiles. A few more days then FREEDOM! Off to the Philippines![/QUOTE]Lou, you may want to read FLHawk's recent summary of his Pattaya trip. He had a frustrating time the first couple of nights and it turned around.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1728133]So could you explain to us in which scams you have been involved in Pattaya? [/QUOTE]Lou can clarify for us but I have a feeling the "scams" are related to Pattaya costing so much more, especially in the gogos.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1728183]Here is Lou32's post in the Philippines forum.

Lou, you may want to read FLHawk's recent summary of his Pattaya trip. He had a frustrating time the first couple of nights and it turned around.

Lou can clarify for us but I have a feeling the "scams" are related to Pattaya costing so much more, especially in the gogos.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Some of my best trips have also started out a bit sour -- I even ended up going home alone my first night last trip. Though I had some fun making out with a hottie at Destiny I was unready to pay the astronomical high season BF. But the trip quickly rebounded. I met up with my regular for a fun New Year's Eve, took home a couple of cute BR girls, scored an hot FL at I-bar and ended up meeting a new regular who is super cute and a tigress in bed.

Lou, you should listen to Banana Boi. Adjust your expectations, relax and RTFF for info.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1716913]So I stop for a beer at a very open bar, open on 2 corners and sit upfront waiting for something to catch my eye. [/QUOTE]I am guessing the Spider Girl Bar. Let me know when you are in Pattaya next, I wouldn't mind having a beer with you and swapping stories. My next trip is Aug-Sep, so 8 or so weeks away.

[QUOTE=JoseMarcia;1690742]I have been with Eden girls for about 10 times. Based on that experience.

If you are at their place, it is very mechanical. I never enjoyed there.

On the other hand, I email them at least a day earlier with my preferences, and they send me great girls. My norm is to ask them from 11 PM, and the girls stay all night. At the hotel, it is NOT mechanical at all. On three occasions, I even asked them to send only one girl to my hotel, and the experience was great as well.[/QUOTE]Agree that if you find the right girls they are not mechanical and 11 PM booking is a great tip! Must try this out.

Any girls that you would recommend at Eden please?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1728183]Here is Lou32's post in the Philippines forum.

Lou, you may want to read FLHawk's recent summary of his Pattaya trip. He had a frustrating time the first couple of nights and it turned around.

Lou can clarify for us but I have a feeling the "scams" are related to Pattaya costing so much more, especially in the gogos.[/QUOTE]To be fair, this only happened at the Sapphire gogo so its not like I'm being scammed at every turn in Pattaya.

As a newbie (who RTFF by the way) I was pressured to pay upfront. It all seemed to be SOP and the worst I expected was a typical mechanical performance from a clockwatching girl. What I didn't expect is a fake ID and a runner before even entering the room!

Lesson learned. Eyes wide open now!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1728244]Good advice. Some of my best trips have also started out a bit sour -- I even ended up going home alone my first night last trip. Though I had some fun making out with a hottie at Destiny I was unready to pay the astronomical high season BF. But the trip quickly rebounded. I met up with my regular for a fun New Year's Eve, took home a couple of cute BR girls, scored an hot FL at I-bar and ended up meeting a new regular who is super cute and a tigress in bed.

Lou, you should listen to Banana Boi. Adjust your expectations, relax and RTFF for info.[/QUOTE]I've been in Pattaya since Saturday but I haven't been with any girl yet (except for lackluster visits to Bliss BJ Bar and a dinky massage parlor). Why?

This first trip has been terrible so far but I blame myself. I only came to Thailand because I was returning to the Philippines (which is heaven to me because I am obsessed with Pinays). I figured "Pattaya is Destination #1 so I might as well check it out". Looking at pictures of Thai women online and videos I realized that they are NOT very attractive to me. The ones who were attractive either looked like Filipinas or darker skinned Korean women. I know that I'm in the minority but that's just my preference. So now that I'm here I realize I should have gone with my gut feeling and skipped the trip. Being here and seeing these women face to face did NOT improve their looks.

Now there are a lot of pretty Thai ladies who aren't 4000 baht short time gogo girls. Unfortunately, they are almost always men. This is a situation that I think is unique to Thailand. Yes, trannys are in every city but not to the ridiculous degree that I've seen here in Pattaya. But things are looking up because in a few short days this nightmare can end and I escape to Angeles to start my REAL vacation.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1728133]In the Angeles City Thread you wrote about many scams. So could you explain to us in which scams you have been involved in Pattaya? Because reading the forum it seems that the scams are much more common with freelancers in AC! I go to Thailand since 2006 (Samui, Phuket, Pattaya and Bangkok) and I never had any problem with scams.[/QUOTE]I overstated the point when I wrote scams (plural). The only outright scam I've encountered was a 2000 baht lesson at Sapphire Agogo. Otherwise its just the usual price gouging that you'd find in any tourist city. I am surprised by how expensive Pattaya is since all I've read is about how inexpensive it is compared to other cities. It would probably help if I spoke or at least understood Thai. I stand out really, really easy as a farang sucker, LOL!

[QUOTE=TellAll;1727982]If you can't have fun in Pattaya and think Angeles is better, you need to check your compass.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I know that I am the odd man out about this but so far at least, Pattaya sucks when it comes to P4 P. I wouldn't tell other guys not to come here though because I'm sure 998 out of the next 1000 first time male visitors to this town will have a blast. I just happen to be one of those two OTHER guys. I'm in a good mood now though because I get to escape to Angeles at the end of the week!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728396]I've been in Pattaya since Saturday but I haven't been with any girl yet (except for lackluster visits to Bliss BJ Bar and a dinky massage parlor). Why?

This first trip has been terrible so far but I blame myself. I only came to Thailand because I was returning to the Philippines (which is heaven to me because I am obsessed with Pinays). I figured "Pattaya is Destination #1 so I might as well check it out". Looking at pictures of Thai women online and videos I realized that they are NOT very attractive to me. The ones who were attractive either looked like Filipinas or darker skinned Korean women. I know that I'm in the minority but that's just my preference. So now that I'm here I realize I should have gone with my gut feeling and skipped the trip. Being here and seeing these women face to face did NOT improve their looks.

Now there are a lot of pretty Thai ladies who aren't 4000 baht short time gogo girls. Unfortunately, they are almost always men. This is a situation that I think is unique to Thailand. Yes, trannys are in every city but not to the ridiculous degree that I've seen here in Pattaya. But things are looking up because in a few short days this nightmare can end and I escape to Angeles to start my REAL vacation.[/QUOTE]Lou32,

You may be the first man maybe in history to not have a good time in Pattaya. If you are having a bad time I would say that is your own fault and no one else's. There is enough info on ISG on Pattaya that maybe you just did not read. Also Thailand is the one place that you do not need to be able to speak Thai. With 1000's of cheap bar girls everywhere from 500-1000 baht short time. You go to the agogo. Most of the agogo girls are professional hustlers. They take your money and want to cum ASAP so they can get bad to the club to get another chump. But, to be fair most of the a gogo girls are not all that bad compared to other countries and yes many agogo girls want you to pay up front. They will have the I don't give the shit attitude that they will not go with you if you do not pay upfront. Next a gogo girls are very expensive. Usually, like 2000 baht short time plus like 700 bar fine. To all the guys that always insist on not being a cheap charlie I highly suggest always going with a-gogo girls.

But, anyway. Once you learn your way around Pattaya it truly is heaven on earth. But, be careful heaven can turn into hell very fast if you forget the golden rule. That is its all a fantasy and not real. That sentence will make sense after you understand Thailand. But, Thai woman besides they beauty are incredibly cool and just so much fun to hang out with. I can't believe I have to wait till November to go back. I think about being there daily. LOL.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728392]I was pressured to pay upfront.[/QUOTE]Personally I avoid these clubs, pay all upfront is not the norm in Pattaya. You have to pay upfront only the barfine, the girl is paid at the end of the session.

There must be something wrong that you are not mentioning. Visiting Pattaya is like going to the best buffet with your favorite dishes and not being hungry. P4P is everywhere. You could be blind and bump into a lady that wants a ST or if she is horny LT. Even if your fat, old and ugly there is women that will do ya. Maybe you are to picky or to cheap. Maybe you need to practice your rap like, "How much Baht to go to my Hotel with me". Anyway, to be a 2%er is sad. I propose it isn't Pattaya, it is you!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728400]Sorry, I know that I am the odd man out about this but so far at least, Pattaya sucks when it comes to P4 P. I wouldn't tell other guys not to come here though because I'm sure 998 out of the next 1000 first time male visitors to this town will have a blast. I just happen to be one of those two OTHER guys. I'm in a good mood now though because I get to escape to Angeles at the end of the week![/QUOTE]

Buddha day holiday. All of the gogos Soi 6 and beer gardens shut down at midnight last night and will remain shut down until midnight tonight. But it really has not put a damper on anything lights are out and they won't sell alcohol but there are still plenty of girls available and still plenty of this going on.

Chris

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728399]It would probably help if I spoke or at least understood Thai. I stand out really, really easy as a farang sucker, LOL![/QUOTE]In my experience you can stand out as a sucker if you allow yourself to be positioned as a sucker. It is an element of asian culture: if you allow someone to get over on you; then [I]shame on you[/I]. Act confident and stand your ground in a non-cocky way. Keep face and allow others to maintain face. Blow off anyone who tries to game you. Firmly chart your own course and stick to it, and ultimately you will be respected (and treated better) for it.

Maybe you are aiming too high or putting too much expectations on yourself. Go down to Beach Road and pick up a lady. Any lady. The first lady you see. Take her back to your room and f*** her. She does not have to be beautiful or the girl of your dreams. No romantic expectations involved. This is a McDonalds hookup; you are hungry, and she is willing. Trust me you will feel better.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1728577]Go down to Beach Road and pick up a lady. Any lady. The first lady you see. Take her back to your room and f*** her. She does not have to be beautiful or the girl of your dreams. No romantic expectations involved. This is a McDonalds hookup; you are hungry, and she is willing. Trust me you will feel better.

SL.[/QUOTE]Now, this is, in essence what most guys want out of a relationship. No drama, no BS, just the goodies delivered on time.

And soon after they are outsmarted by the GF and suddenly find themself married, blueballed, and held to financial ransom.

(Deja vu: Anyone, Ever heard about western guys building a house for HER out in the shtt-out-of-nowhere-backwaters-of-Thailand?

Seriously: Much better to do like Sunlover and pay as you go, or get a nonpro that do not insist on getting married.

If she's a swinger even better. But that's just me. *blink*.

Happy Hunting, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1728457]Lou32,

You may be the first man maybe in history to not have a good time in Pattaya. If you are having a bad time I would say that is your own fault and no one else's. There is enough info on ISG on Pattaya that maybe you just did not read. Also Thailand is the one place that you do not need to be able to speak Thai. With 1000's of cheap bar girls everywhere from 500-1000 baht short time. You go to the agogo. Most of the agogo girls are professional hustlers. They take your money and want to cum ASAP so they can get bad to the club to get another chump. But, to be fair most of the a gogo girls are not all that bad compared to other countries and yes many agogo girls want you to pay up front. They will have the I don't give the shit attitude that they will not go with you if you do not pay upfront. Next a gogo girls are very expensive. Usually, like 2000 baht short time plus like 700 bar fine. To all the guys that always insist on not being a cheap charlie I highly suggest always going with a-gogo girls.

But, anyway. Once you learn your way around Pattaya it truly is heaven on earth. But, be careful heaven can turn into hell very fast if you forget the golden rule. That is its all a fantasy and not real. That sentence will make sense after you understand Thailand. But, Thai woman besides they beauty are incredibly cool and just so much fun to hang out with. I can't believe I have to wait till November to go back. I think about being there daily. LOL.[/QUOTE]As I wrote in the post you are responding to, I DO consider it my fault. I spent MONTHS reading ISG and other boards and watched dozens of video trip reports on Youtube. The lesson for me is "if you aren't attracted to a certain ethniticy / race / type of woman from seeing pictures and video on the Internet they don't suddenly become attractive in real life". I had to come to Thailand because it is supposedly "Man Destination #1" for the whole planet. I am glad I am here because now its just a "regular" vacation and I am experiencing a new culture and learning a lot. The sexual part of my trip will have to wait until I get to the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1728577]In my experience you can stand out as a sucker if you allow yourself to be positioned as a sucker. It is an element of asian culture: if you allow someone to get over on you; then [I]shame on you[/I]. Act confident and stand your ground in a non-cocky way. Keep face and allow others to maintain face. Blow off anyone who tries to game you. Firmly chart your own course and stick to it, and ultimately you will be respected (and treated better) for it.

Maybe you are aiming too high or putting too much expectations on yourself. Go down to Beach Road and pick up a lady. Any lady. The first lady you see. Take her back to your room and f*** her. She does not have to be beautiful or the girl of your dreams. No romantic expectations involved. This is a McDonalds hookup; you are hungry, and she is willing. Trust me you will feel better.

SL.[/QUOTE]I hear you and I know that mixed in with the transvestites there are a few actual women available. The problem is (and its my fault) I went to the other side of the planet to get with women who aren't attractive. The ones who are attractive are either men or no less expensive than working girls in Zurich or Hong Kong. Believe me I feel a lot better now that I've let it go and I'm just enjoying a PG vacation now and my X-rated vacation can start when I escape Pattaya later this week. Hell, I may even return to Thailand someday because the country IS interesting. I'll just know that it won't be for sex.

[QUOTE=FeelzGood;1728569]There must be something wrong that you are not mentioning. Visiting Pattaya is like going to the best buffet with your favorite dishes and not being hungry. P4P is everywhere. You could be blind and bump into a lady that wants a ST or if she is horny LT. Even if your fat, old and ugly there is women that will do ya. Maybe you are to picky or to cheap. Maybe you need to practice your rap like, "How much Baht to go to my Hotel with me". Anyway, to be a 2%er is sad. I propose it isn't Pattaya, it is you![/QUOTE]Yes, as far as sex goes, Pattaya ISN'T for me. I agree. The problem, which I again know is my own fault, is that there are very, very very few women in this town who are appealing to me. And the very few who look attactive all look like either Koreans or Filipinas which are two Asian types I find really attractive. It is like I am a vegetarian at a steakhouse but half of the steaks have penises, LOL!

Its all good. I am in a good mood now. I see guys walking around all day with their "ladies" and I am happy for them. I will escape Thailand soon and be in my own heaven (Angeles City). There is plenty of women planet to go around for ALL men.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728639]The problem is (and its my fault) I went to the other side of the planet to get with women who aren't attractive. The ones who are attractive are either men or no less expensive than working girls in Zurich or Hong Kong. Believe me I feel a lot better now that I've let it go and I'm just enjoying a PG vacation now and my X-rated vacation can start when I escape Pattaya later this week.[/QUOTE]Hit or miss is part of the hobby. And either the vibe is there or it isn't. Glad you at least have a decent perspective, and can make up for lost time at your next destination.

SL.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1728576]Buddha day holiday. All of the gogos Soi 6 and beer gardens shut down at midnight last night and will remain shut down until midnight tonight. But it really has not put a damper on anything lights are out and they won't sell alcohol but there are still plenty of girls available and still plenty of this going on.

Chris[/QUOTE]Well, you certainly live up to your surname.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728399]I overstated the point when I wrote scams (plural). The only outright scam I've encountered was a 2000 baht lesson at Sapphire Agogo. Otherwise its just the usual price gouging that you'd find in any tourist city. I am surprised by how expensive Pattaya is since all I've read is about how inexpensive it is compared to other cities. It would probably help if I spoke or at least understood Thai. I stand out really, really easy as a farang sucker, LOL![/QUOTE]I suppose there were a few times when I paid and did not get sex, and quite a few times when I paid and did not get what I expected, but I have a hard time remembering those incidents because of all the great fucking. Plus there was one incident where the girl got embarrassed after fucking me all night when my Thai girlfriend arrived in the morning, and slipped away without me paying her.

Remember, you are in charge, and the customer is always right.

I went to Baccara and was seated right next to the chrome poles. I noticed a girl who had very big tits and a shapely ass. She was #44.

She must have noticed that I was eyeing her, because no sooner had I turned around to ask the Mamasan to bring her next to me for a lady drink than she was here. She introduced herself as Nat. At first I heard Matt and I thought that was a bit unladylike, but thankfully she corrected me.

Her tits were fake, but she told me that she already had big ones before the implants, which is why they still looked very nice. I wasn't sure about her attitude in the sack, but I figured with tits like that you can't go wrong.

So I barfined her and took her to Oasis Hotel on Soi Happy. I instructed her to keep on the yellow bikini she had while dancing. The top fabric can be easily pushed aside to reveal her glorious globes. And her G-string pushed to the side made looking at her pussy and ass from behind even more enticing.

We had a good fuck. Her attitude was OK. Not bad, not great, just OK. But with tits like that I was sufficiently entertained to shoot my load anyway. It was a good time.

Would I repeat? Probably not. Would I recommend? Only for tit lovers.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728396]I've been in Pattaya since Saturday but I haven't been with any girl yet (except for lackluster visits to Bliss BJ Bar and a dinky massage parlor). Why?

This first trip has been terrible so far but I blame myself. I only came to Thailand because I was returning to the Philippines (which is heaven to me because I am obsessed with Pinays). I figured "Pattaya is Destination #1 so I might as well check it out". Looking at pictures of Thai women online and videos I realized that they are NOT very attractive to me. The ones who were attractive either looked like Filipinas or darker skinned Korean women. I know that I'm in the minority but that's just my preference. So now that I'm here I realize I should have gone with my gut feeling and skipped the trip. Being here and seeing these women face to face did NOT improve their looks.

Now there are a lot of pretty Thai ladies who aren't 4000 baht short time gogo girls. Unfortunately, they are almost always men. This is a situation that I think is unique to Thailand. Yes, trannys are in every city but not to the ridiculous degree that I've seen here in Pattaya. But things are looking up because in a few short days this nightmare can end and I escape to Angeles to start my REAL vacation.[/QUOTE]Lou. I appreciate your honest and I am very sorry that you are not having a good time in Patts. In all my days of mongering there I can only really remember one bad night, and that was all on me and the mistakes I made in choosing girls I did not click with. I hope you will give the scene one last try before you leave as it is, IMHO, really the greatest destination on earth.

But everyone's mileage varies, I guess. We are all different and have different tastes. I guess it's sometimes difficult for guys to understand another guy's preferences and choices (think only of all the guys that make up the huge LB market. I'll never really get the appeal of that).

I wish you the best of luck in your journeys and I really hope you have a better time in the PI.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1728956]Lou. I appreciate your honest and I am very sorry that you are not having a good time in Patts. In all my days of mongering there I can only really remember one bad night, and that was all on me and the mistakes I made in choosing girls I did not click with. I hope you will give the scene one last try before you leave as it is, IMHO, really the greatest destination on earth.

But everyone's mileage varies, I guess. We are all different and have different tastes. I guess it's sometimes difficult for guys to understand another guy's preferences and choices (think only of all the guys that make up the huge LB market. I'll never really get the appeal of that).

I wish you the best of luck in your journeys and I really hope you have a better time in the PI.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much. Perhaps you'd be interested to know that I am slowly coming around to liking Pattaya a lot now and will probably return in a few months. I was a bit too dramatic in my earlier posts (using words like 'nightmare' and such) because I posted while angry. I'm getting into the groove of this weird city and toned down my judging of the Thai ladies' attractiveness. The people are so damned sweet and the women are cuter than I thought so its all good. My first barfine was super sweet and that surprised me because I've read about how Thai women are becoming less GFE. My first girl was very Filipina like in bed so that was a relief. If any of my friends who've never been to Thailand asked me if they should go I'd give a resounding "yes".

Mate,

Is there a Baccarra in Pattaya or are you talking about Bangkok?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1728918]I went to Baccara and was seated right next to the chrome poles. I noticed a girl who had very big tits and a shapely ass. She was #44.

She must have noticed that I was eyeing her, because no sooner had I turned around to ask the Mamasan to bring her next to me for a lady drink than she was here. She introduced herself as Nat. At first I heard Matt and I thought that was a bit unladylike, but thankfully she corrected me.

Her tits were fake, but she told me that she already had big ones before the implants, which is why they still looked very nice. I wasn't sure about her attitude in the sack, but I figured with tits like that you can't go wrong.

So I barfined her and took her to Oasis Hotel on Soi Happy. I instructed her to keep on the yellow bikini she had while dancing. The top fabric can be easily pushed aside to reveal her glorious globes. And her G-string pushed to the side made looking at her pussy and ass from behind even more enticing.

We had a good fuck. Her attitude was OK. Not bad, not great, just OK. But with tits like that I was sufficiently entertained to shoot my load anyway. It was a good time.

Would I repeat? Probably not. Would I recommend? Only for tit lovers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1729035]Mate,

Is there a Baccarra in Pattaya or are you talking about Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Yes there is one on Walking Street.

Cheers

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1729035]Mate,

Is there a Baccarra in Pattaya or are you talking about Bangkok?[/QUOTE]There sure is. Located on the beach side of Walking Street about halfway down.

Baccara Go Go on Walking Street is one of the most popular and successful Go Go's in Pattaya. It has no relation to Baccara Cowboy other than its name. I would say both Baccara bars are must go to bars, but I prefer Sensations and Happy Go Go in Pattaya and Crazy House off Soi Cowboy in BKK.

New to the scene. Will be going to Patts with a non-Thai chick that I just met and she's looking to try a threesome with another guy. Any thoughts on where we should look? Read about boyztown, but was thinking that we'd run into a lot of gays?

We're both on the young side, so prefer the same (under 30 ish).

In case you have been living in a cave, Indian punters have a very poor reputation in Pattaya. I'm not an Indian, but I have seen you guys out and about and have spoken to lots of girls. I'm not sure if it's ever going to be recoverable for you guys, but with some effort on your part, you might be able to limit the overt discrimination against you. Please note that I'm not denigrating the Indian race. This advice is meant for newbie Indian punters visiting Pattaya so that they can maximise their pleasure.

1. Don't hold onto your wallet so tightly. Be prepared to tip the girls, waitresses and doormen and buy lady drinks. That's how the service industry works. No girl is going to want to sit with you if you don't buy a lady drink. There are fixed rates for bar fines and commonly accepted rates for the lady's fee. Don't try to negotiate to ridiculous levels as it only pisses the girls off.

2. When you agree the price with the girl, pay her the agreed amount and don't try to renegotiate with her once in the room. This is just plain wrong. Also, tip the girl after you have fucked her, on top of the agreed fee. No girl likes a cheap charlie. Tip should be around 300 THB for ST.

3. Treat the girl with respect and at least like a human being. Don't treat her like a dog. I know in your country, where your minds have been fucked by the caste system, hookers are right down the bottom, but don't apply that logic in Thailand. She is providing you with a service you want, so treat her with some kindness.

4. Don't immediately try to fuck the girl up the ass when you get her into the room. This should be negotiated and no means no. Don't force anal sex on the girl. Also, don't stick your fingers up her ass as most women don't like it.

5. Don't try to hold a gang bang in your room. The girl does not want to enter the room only to find five of your friends waiting inside with their cocks in their hands.

6. Just control yourself and behave respectfully. Yes, there are semi naked women everywhere, but that doesn't mean you can fondle them for free. If you want to squeeze her ass, then slip a THB 100 bill in her g-string. See Point 1 above.

7. Smile a lot and say pleasant things to people. Leave your arrogance, superiority and attitude at home.

8. Bathe, wear deodorant and change your clothes daily. It is a hot country and people tend to stink if they don't shower two or three times a day.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393]In case you have been living in a cave, Indian punters have a very poor reputation in Pattaya. I'm not an Indian, but I have seen you guys out and about and have spoken to lots of girls. I'm not sure if it's ever going to be recoverable for you guys, but with some effort on your part, you might be able to limit the overt discrimination against you. Please note that I'm not denigrating the Indian race. This advice is meant for newbie Indian punters visiting Pattaya so that they can maximise their pleasure. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the rant, this topic has been discussed endlessly. Your advice while relevant will not really be of much use to majority of the Indian punters on ISG. Why? Because the guys that typically indulge in that kind of shady behaviour do not read / subscribe to this forum.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393]1. Don't hold onto your wallet so tightly. Be prepared to tip the girls, waitresses and doormen and buy lady drinks. That's how the service industry works. No girl is going to want to sit with you if you don't buy a lady drink. There are fixed rates for bar fines and commonly accepted rates for the lady's fee. Don't try to negotiate to ridiculous levels as it only pisses the girls off. [/QUOTE]I get your point but wonder if this is relevant anymore given that Indians are not allowed into most places, so who does one tip and buy drinks for.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393] 2. When you agree the price with the girl, pay her the agreed amount and don't try to renegotiate with her once in the room. This is just plain wrong. Also, tip the girl after you have fucked her, on top of the agreed fee. No girl likes a cheap charlie. Tip should be around 300 THB for ST. [/QUOTE]What to do if the "service" was bad? You recommend that tip "should" be THB 300.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393] 3. Treat the girl with respect and at least like a human being. Don't treat her like a dog. I know in your country, where your minds have been fucked by the caste system, hookers are right down the bottom, but don't apply that logic in Thailand. She is providing you with a service you want, so treat her with some kindness. [/QUOTE]Good point, but again who will educate the scum of Indian society that makes it a point to visit Pattaya (who are likely not members of this forum)?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393] 4. Don't immediately try to fuck the girl up the ass when you get her into the room. This should be negotiated and no means no. Don't force anal sex on the girl. Also, don't stick your fingers up her ass as most women don't like it. [/QUOTE]Girls told you this? Indians forcefully demand anal, haha.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393] 5. Don't try to hold a gang bang in your room. The girl does not want to enter the room only to find five of your friends waiting inside with their cocks in their hands. [/QUOTE]Haha, this one I have heard several times before, both from punters and girls.

Rest of the points are fine, any one with common sense should have been doing them already. I appreciate the effort in writing up this list, but isn't it too late to re-invent the wheel (in this case, the reputation of Indian punters in Pattaya) or do you still see some hope?

[QUOTE=TomSf;1728457]Lou32,

You may be the first man maybe in history to not have a good time in Pattaya. If you are having a bad time I would say that is your own fault and no one else's. There is enough info on ISG on Pattaya that maybe you just did not read. Also Thailand is the one place that you do not need to be able to speak Thai. With 1000's of cheap bar girls everywhere from 500-1000 baht short time. You go to the agogo. Most of the agogo girls are professional hustlers. They take your money and want to cum ASAP so they can get bad to the club to get another chump. But, to be fair most of the a gogo girls are not all that bad compared to other countries and yes many agogo girls want you to pay up front. They will have the I don't give the shit attitude that they will not go with you if you do not pay upfront. Next a gogo girls are very expensive. Usually, like 2000 baht short time plus like 700 bar fine. To all the guys that always insist on not being a cheap charlie I highly suggest always going with a-gogo girls.

But, anyway. Once you learn your way around Pattaya it truly is heaven on earth. But, be careful heaven can turn into hell very fast if you forget the golden rule. That is its all a fantasy and not real. That sentence will make sense after you understand Thailand. But, Thai woman besides they beauty are incredibly cool and just so much fun to hang out with. I can't believe I have to wait till November to go back. I think about being there daily. LOL.[/QUOTE]Of course, IF you have even a minimal command of the language, doors OPEN.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729446]Thanks for the rant, this topic has been discussed endlessly. Your advice while relevant will not really be of much use to majority of the Indian punters on ISG. Why? Because the guys that typically indulge in that kind of shady behaviour do not read / subscribe to this forum.

I get your point but wonder if this is relevant anymore given that Indians are not allowed into most places, so who does one tip and buy drinks for.

What to do if the "service" was bad? You recommend that tip "should" be THB 300.

Good point, but again who will educate the scum of Indian society that makes it a point to visit Pattaya (who are likely not members of this forum)?

Girls told you this? Indians forcefully demand anal, haha.

Haha, this one I have heard several times before, both from punters and girls.

Rest of the points are fine, any one with common sense should have been doing them already. I appreciate the effort in writing up this list, but isn't it too late to re-invent the wheel (in this case, the reputation of Indian punters in Pattaya) or do you still see some hope?[/QUOTE]You folks may or may not know the Thai "joke: that If you come across an Indian and a snake in the middle of the road RUN OVER THE INDIAN FIRST.

I have no idea WHY Indians are held in such low esteem, but they are.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393]In case you have been living in a cave, Indian punters have a very poor reputation in Pattaya. I'm not an Indian, but I have seen you guys out and about and have spoken to lots of girls. I'm not sure if it's ever going to be recoverable for you guys, but with some effort on your part, you might be able to limit the overt discrimination against you. Please note that I'm not denigrating the Indian race. This advice is meant for newbie Indian punters visiting Pattaya so that they can maximise their pleasure.

1. Don't hold onto your wallet so tightly. Be prepared to tip the girls, waitresses and doormen and buy lady drinks. That's how the service industry works. No girl is going to want to sit with you if you don't buy a lady drink. There are fixed rates for bar fines and commonly accepted rates for the lady's fee. Don't try to negotiate to ridiculous levels as it only pisses the girls off.

2. When you agree the price with the girl, pay her the agreed amount and don't try to renegotiate with her once in the room. This is just plain wrong. Also, tip the girl after you have fucked her, on top of the agreed fee. No girl likes a cheap charlie. Tip should be around 300 THB for ST.

3. Treat the girl with respect and at least like a human being. Don't treat her like a dog. I know in your country, where your minds have been fucked by the caste system, hookers are right down the bottom, but don't apply that logic in Thailand...[/QUOTE]I am a proud Indian but I completely agree with your perception. I hope things will change only with a change in our attitude. I had wonderfull time in Pattaya 2 yrs back.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729446]

Rest of the points are fine, any one with common sense should have been doing them already. I appreciate the effort in writing up this list, but isn't it too late to re-invent the wheel (in this case, the reputation of Indian punters in Pattaya) or do you still see some hope?[/QUOTE]It upsets me to see groups of tourists behaving badly towards their host when they are abroad. It doesn't matter if it's Australian idiots in Bali, Indian assholes in Pattaya or British lads running amok in Majorca. I agree that this rant isn't going to make one iota of difference. Cashed up Indians who go to Pattaya are the scum of the earth and can't be reformed. Their attitude towards woman is still in the dark ages. Delhi and Mumbai are considered the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] capitals of the world and most can get away with it.

Thais are amongst the most tolerant of people. If they see fit to ban a whole ethnic group from entering their bars (and potentially foregoing revenue), you can imagine just how offensive the Indians behaviour was.

I read this so called scandal too place with Walking Street girls. Anyone know which bar?

[URL]https://vimeo.com/129533913[/URL]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393]In case you have been living in a cave, Indian punters have a very poor reputation in Pattaya. I'm not an Indian, but I have seen you guys out and about and have spoken to lots of girls. I'm not sure if it's ever going to be recoverable for you guys, but with some effort on your part, you might be able to limit the overt discrimination against you. Please note that I'm not denigrating the Indian race. This advice is meant for newbie Indian punters visiting Pattaya so that they can maximise their pleasure.

1. Don't hold onto your wallet so tightly. Be prepared to tip the girls, waitresses and doormen and buy lady drinks. That's how the service industry works. No girl is going to want to sit with you if you don't buy a lady drink. There are fixed rates for bar fines and commonly accepted rates for the lady's fee. Don't try to negotiate to ridiculous levels as it only pisses the girls off.

2. When you agree the price with the girl, pay her the agreed amount and don't try to renegotiate with her once in the room. This is just plain wrong. Also, tip the girl after you have fucked her, on top of the agreed fee. No girl likes a cheap charlie. Tip should be around 300 THB for ST.

3. Treat the girl with respect and at least like a human being. Don't treat her like a dog. I know in your country, where your minds have been fucked by the caste system, hookers are right down the bottom, but don't apply that logic in Thailand. She is providing you with a service you want, so treat her with some kindness.

4. Don't immediately try to fuck the girl up the ass when you get her into the room. This should be negotiated and no means no. Don't force anal sex on the girl. Also, don't stick your fingers up her ass as most women don't like it.

5. Don't try to hold a gang bang in your room. The girl does not want to enter the room only to find five of your friends waiting inside with their cocks in their hands.

6. Just control yourself and behave respectfully. Yes, there are semi naked women everywhere, but that doesn't mean you can fondle them for free. If you want to squeeze her ass, then slip a THB 100 bill in her g-string. See Point 1 above.

7. Smile a lot and say pleasant things to people. Leave your arrogance, superiority and attitude at home.

8. Bathe, wear deodorant and change your clothes daily. It is a hot country and people tend to stink if they don't shower two or three times a day.[/QUOTE]This is accurate on all accounts. It should be translated to Hindi and passed out to all Indian male passengers as mandatory reading prior to arrival when traveling from India on any flight into Thailand.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729517]I read this so called scandal too place with Walking Street girls. Anyone know which bar?

[URL]https://vimeo.com/129533913[/URL][/QUOTE]Does it matter? IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, THEY HAVE THE TIME. Some are reluctant to do pix.

From last month. I came home on the 19th. So the tum ruat (police) were making their usual rounds to see if there were any workers on Beach road. The girls crossed to the non-beach side as soon as the word reached them. That coconut tree telegraph is amazing in its speed. Of course that the cops turn on the flasher light on their truck as they drive down Beach kinda helps, too. Saw that every night at between 11 and midnite from about the 29th of April.

Anyway. Some of the girls must have thought I was one "undercover" because I can speak Thai so they sort of didn't want anything to do with me. I'm friendly and I pay them for their services, they leave their ID at the hotel desk and we go off to dance the bedspring boogie for a while.

At any rate. I ran into this Russian girl, hungry, cute (If you get by the gold teeth) and off we went (yeah. I know. Go to the Thailand to lay a Russian.) It was actually not bad. Her English AND Thai were minimal, but enough to get by. Of course, she persuaded me to give her some of the Chocolat I brought. No biggie. Usual 500 B.

Was latched onto by one and she more or less demanded to go with me. A bit older 45 - but she could suck a golf ball thru a garden hose. Trouble was she didn't want to leave so I told her same 500 in the morning. She didn't care. Woke ME up at about 3 squirming and sucking. Wouldn't mind seeing her again next trip.

With the (slight) exception of Crazy House (used to be fun, it's just ok now) I don't think I could make a list of bars I prefer less. Baccara and Sensations are often just miserable (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) and Happy isn't particularly fun but has hot girls who, again, only want to go with Japs. This post is like anti-advice, or advice for Japs only.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729222]Baccara Go Go on Walking Street is one of the most popular and successful Go Go's in Pattaya. It has no relation to Baccara Cowboy other than its name. I would say both Baccara bars are must go to bars, but I prefer Sensations and Happy Go Go in Pattaya and Crazy House off Soi Cowboy in BKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1729598]With the (slight) exception of Crazy House (used to be fun, it's just ok now) I don't think I could make a list of bars I prefer less. Baccara and Sensations are often just miserable (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) and Happy isn't particularly fun but has hot girls who, again, only want to go with Japs. This post is like anti-advice, or advice for Japs only.[/QUOTE]Baccara Walking Street: I won't defend it. I merely said it is a must go to bar and it is, but as I said in my earlier post, I prefer Sensations and Happy.

Sensations has hot girls. I like hot girls. I never felt overlooked or unattended to while there because I am a white guy. The main complaint punters have is the best looking girls are Agency girls with a large barfine (1500 bt) before midnight. But interestingly, the coyotes I met there wanted 2000 bt for ST so they were not significantly more expensive than regular girls at other Go Go's down the street who wanted 2500 bt for ST along with a 700 bt house barfine. I don't let 300 bt stand in my way of having a good time with the right girl. But hey, that is just me.

Now Happy does have a few Asian-centric gals and I did not like being ignored by a certain hot little number with a Chinese hairdo that I had my eye on the first time it happened to me. But I found plenty of attractive eager girls standing by that were only too happy to go out with the white guy. LOL. So I quickly learned never to let the few Asian-centric girls bother me. It is their loss as far as I am concerned.

The girl quality at CH off Cowboy runs hot / cold. Lately it has been pretty hot. If you haven't been there in a while I suggest you check it out. In any case, I like nude sexy girls. I also like to test drive them before barfining. CH is the best Go Go in BKK as far as that is concerned.

Baccara Cowboy has many detractors who find fault with the majority Asian clientele, the look of the girls, ect. I like the place. They have a ton of girls packed to the gills on 3 floors and I always find attractive / friendly girls to fool around with. By my casual calculation 10% to 15% of Baccara girls are pretty good looking and that is a lot of eligible girls. I don't care about the remaining 85%. They are for some one else. I have been frequenting this bar for a long time. I have never had a problem with the Asian customers or Asian-centric girls at this place. In fact I have never felt discriminated against here by anyone. Quite the contrary, I have had friendly relations with many of the girls that work here including the waitresses and they know me on a first name basis. In addition I have had an ongoing sexual relationship with my favorite Baccara girl since 2010. She recently retired from the business. We still keep in touch. I can't wait to see her again in September. So for all these reasons, I consider Baccara Cowboy a must go to bar. It is a personal favorite.

OK, now it is your turn. What Go Go's do you prefer?

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1729598]With the (slight) exception of Crazy House (used to be fun, it's just ok now) I don't think I could make a list of bars I prefer less. Baccara and Sensations are often just miserable (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) and Happy isn't particularly fun but has hot girls who, again, only want to go with Japs. This post is like anti-advice, or advice for Japs only.[/QUOTE]Checked out Sensations tonite, nothing special. Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729618]Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?[/QUOTE]What's Up has always been a late night bar that does not fill up with customers until around 11 pm. That is because of their staggered two price barfine system of 2000 bt before midnight and 1000 bt after midnight. It has been a while since I went to this bar. The barfine may have increased since I was last there. What's Up is the most expensive Go Go in Pattaya if not all of Thailand. But that is not why I stopped going there. I knew a fiery hot dancer there back in 2012. She always showed me a great time and gave me workarounds and afternoon sessions to avoid the barfine. Then after knowing her for 2. 5 years, she hit me up for a sponsorship and asked for $200/ month. I stopped texting and talking to her. That was dumb. Looking back I should have handled the situation with more finesse and I would probably still be shagging her with no additional cost. In any case I stopped going to What's Up. But I think that I will drop by on my next trip to Pat. I doubt Nut is still working there, but this bar always had really good looking girls. I mean really good looking girls. The drink price and barfine business is total crap, but I am curious to see if they still have the high quality girls. Let's face it guys, Agency girls are here to stay. It is not so bad if they are really hot, but if standards should drop and they are no better than regular girls at other Go Go's, then it is a complete rip off.

Are there any places in Pattaya with live-type sex shows on stage? I walked into one before where they had a live lesbian show off to the side of the gogo dancers, but forgot the name of the place. It was in one of the alleys down walking street.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729622]What's Up has always been a late night bar that does not fill up with customers until around 11 pm. That is because of their staggered two price barfine system of 2000 bt before midnight and 1000 bt after midnight.[/QUOTE]Is this the barfine for LT? I don't like the expensive barfine like everyone else but if it means getting the girl I want I will have to bite the bullet at times. I'm targeting the best of the best.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729618]Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?[/QUOTE]2-10 guys for 60 girls. I like those numbers.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1729598] (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) [/QUOTE]What is a 555 guy?

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1729559] I ran into this Russian girl, hungry, cute ...... Usual 500 B.[/QUOTE]You found a cute Russian girl on Beach Road for 500 baht? How old was she?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729612]Now Happy does have a few Asian-centric gals and I did not like being ignored by a certain hot little number with a Chinese hairdo that I had my eye on the first time it happened to me. [/QUOTE]Doesn't money trump everything else in these cases or are these girls blatantly opposed to farang?

BTW, what is the average lifespan of a super cute coyote or FL?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729618]Checked out Sensations tonite, nothing special. Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?[/QUOTE]What's Up is a sucker trap and a bar to avoid in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1729740]Is this the barfine for LT? I don't like the expensive barfine like everyone else but if it means getting the girl I want I will have to bite the bullet at times. I'm targeting the best of the best.

Doesn't money trump everything else in these cases or are these girls blatantly opposed to farang?
[/QUOTE]Bar fines don't depend / change with ST or LT. While BKK has standard bar fines, some Pattaya Go-Gos have sliding bar fines which means that if you bar fine prior to midnight you pay a heavier fine. What you discuss with the girl i.e. ST or LT is up to you. The bar will not ask for a higher bar fine if you take out LT.

Once you go to Bacarra in BKK or Pattaya (Happy) you will find [B]some[/B] girls who will refuse to go with you simply stating that they go with Japanese. These girls aren't known to change their minds with offers of higher compensation. But as NB said, lots of pretty ones out there who prefer to go with people of other races.

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1729035]Mate,

Is there a Baccarra in Pattaya or are you talking about Bangkok?[/QUOTE]I was talking about the one in Pattaya on Walking Street. That's where I picked up that girl.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729780]Bar fines don't depend / change with ST or LT. While BKK has standard bar fines, some Pattaya Go-Gos have sliding bar fines which means that if you bar fine prior to midnight you pay a heavier fine. [/QUOTE]Thanks AO.

What I don't want to happen is try to wait for a bar fine to lower at midnight only to have someone else scoop up the girl I want by paying the full bar fine. I know there are tons of other girls in the same bar and other bars but sometimes I may just have to go for the higher bar fine, especially if it's only 300-500 baht more.

If I'm buying drinks for my girl for an hour waiting til midnight will mamasan take my girl away if someone from across the bar says he wants to bar fine the girl at full rate?

[QUOTE=WW2015;1729730]Are there any places in Pattaya with live-type sex shows on stage? I walked into one before where they had a live lesbian show off to the side of the gogo dancers, but forgot the name of the place. It was in one of the alleys down walking street.[/QUOTE]Many, try Windmill on Soi Diamond.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1729740]

What is a 555 guy?
FL?[/QUOTE]555 is thai for LOL, the thai word for 5 is pronounced "ha".

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729813]555 is thai for LOL, the thai word for 5 is pronounced "ha".[/QUOTE]555, pronounced ha ha ha. I meant it in the sense that the girls mean it about Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese; that is: 5 inches, 5 minutes, 5 thousand.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729612]Baccara Walking Street: I won't defend it. I merely said it is a must go to bar and it is, but as I said in my earlier post, I prefer Sensations and Happy.

Sensations has hot girls. I like hot girls. I never felt overlooked or unattended to while there because I am a white guy. The main complaint punters have is the best looking girls are Agency girls with a large barfine (1500 bt) before midnight. But interestingly, the coyotes I met there wanted 2000 bt for ST so they were not significantly more expensive than regular girls at other Go Go's down the street who wanted 2500 bt for ST along with a 700 bt house barfine. I don't let 300 bt stand in my way of having a good time with the right girl. But hey, that is just me.

Now Happy does have a few Asian-centric gals and I did not like being ignored by a certain hot little number with a Chinese hairdo that I had my eye on the first time it happened to me. But I found plenty of attractive eager girls standing by that were only too happy to go out with the white guy. LOL. So I quickly learned never to let the few Asian-centric girls bother me. It is their loss as far as I am concerned.

The girl quality at CH off Cowboy runs hot / cold. Lately it has been pretty hot. If you haven't been there in a while I suggest you check it out. In any case, I like nude sexy girls. I also like to test drive them before barfining. CH is the best Go Go in BKK as far as that is concerned.

Baccara Cowboy has many detractors who find fault with the majority Asian clientele, the look of the girls, ect. I like the place. They have a ton of girls packed to the gills on 3 floors and I always find attractive / friendly girls to fool around with. By my casual calculation 10% to 15% of Baccara girls are pretty good looking and that is a lot of eligible girls. I don't care about the remaining 85%. They are for some one else. I have been frequenting this bar for a long time. I have never had a problem with the Asian customers or Asian-centric girls at this place. In fact I have never felt discriminated against here by anyone. Quite the contrary, I have had friendly relations with many of the girls that work here including the waitresses and they know me on a first name basis. In addition I have had an ongoing sexual relationship with my favorite Baccara girl since 2010. She recently retired from the business. We still keep in touch. I can't wait to see her again in September. So for all these reasons, I consider Baccara Cowboy a must go to bar. It is a personal favorite.

OK, now it is your turn. What Go Go's do you prefer?[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you said here, and appreciate your not taking offense at my reply (none was intended). I've and / or friends have had so many bad experiences (I won't prattle on but in summary these places can really soak you and you get nothing but massive frustration in return) at Baccara and Sensations that I rarely if ever go into those places anymore.

Agree with you re: CH in BKK. I mistakenly thought you were talking about Pattaya's CH.

No favorites at the moment, am trying out smaller bars / soi's and spending more time on Soi 6, Buakhao, Diana, etc. Getting kinda tired of the pushiness in Pattaya Gogo's, although that won't stop me from going from time to time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1729787]Thanks AO.

What I don't want to happen is try to wait for a bar fine to lower at midnight only to have someone else scoop up the girl I want by paying the full bar fine. I know there are tons of other girls in the same bar and other bars but sometimes I may just have to go for the higher bar fine, especially if it's only 300-500 baht more.

If I'm buying drinks for my girl for an hour waiting til midnight will mamasan take my girl away if someone from across the bar says he wants to bar fine the girl at full rate?[/QUOTE]I guess you could keep buying drinks for your girl till midnight and typically the mamasan will not pull your girl away. Sometimes a regular comes in and buys a drink and then your girl will ask you if she can leave for a while, you have two options say NO or ask the girl to return the ticket for your drinks, which you have been buying her for her time.

You could also talk to the mamasan and pay the bar fine early in the evening for pick up post 12 and in that case the girl will only hustle other customers for drinks but she would have been bar fined by you already. I have seen some regulars do this, haven't done it myself and am therefore not sure if mamasan will insist on pre midnight bar fine.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729780]

Once you go to Bacarra in BKK or Pattaya (Happy) you will find [B]some[/B] girls who will refuse to go with you simply stating that they go with Japanese. These girls aren't known to change their minds with offers of higher compensation. But as NB said, lots of pretty ones out there who prefer to go with people of other races.[/QUOTE]While it sucks that is at least better than some of the girls at Thermae, who will completely ignore you and won't even reply back when you try talking to them. Rough on the old ego!! 555.

My last visit to Pattaya, Soi 6 which used to be my favourite place to spend time, had taken a turn for the worse (from my viewpoint). I don't know if others agree on this. But the trend towards open bars rather than the dark closed bars where all kinds of hanky panky could happen, made me spend very little time there.

Is this still a trend or are bars (hopefully) moving back towards the older style closed bars?

I'm planning to make a visit again and wondering it's going to be worth it.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729780]Bar fines don't depend / change with ST or LT. While BKK has standard bar fines, some Pattaya Go-Gos have sliding bar fines which means that if you bar fine prior to midnight you pay a heavier fine. What you discuss with the girl i.e. ST or LT is up to you. The bar will not ask for a higher bar fine if you take out LT.
[/QUOTE]Actually things have started to go that way. The other night me and Chris Long went to the Walking Street gogo where my girlfriend works and my GF told him a ST and a LT bar fine (correct me if I am wrong CL.) I am not sure how much each one was. He ended up taking the ST option which I think was for 1 hour. The rest he had to negotiate with the girl.

Before we went there, I think it was the same scenario at an LK Metro gogo. Since I don't barfine I was not paying too close attention.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1730078]Actually things have started to go that way. The other night me and Chris Long went to the Walking Street gogo where my girlfriend works and my GF told him a ST and a LT bar fine (correct me if I am wrong CL.) I am not sure how much each one was. He ended up taking the ST option which I think was for 1 hour. The rest he had to negotiate with the girl.

Before we went there, I think it was the same scenario at an LK Metro gogo. Since I don't barfine I was not paying too close attention.[/QUOTE]This is a very disturbing trend you report Mr. E, hope CL can confirm. Not that I bar fine much, but its good to have that option, differential bar fines again result in pricing one out of the market for those who prefer LT.

[QUOTE=ScubaDo;1730004]My last visit to Pattaya, Soi 6 which used to be my favourite place to spend time, had taken a turn for the worse (from my viewpoint). I don't know if others agree on this. But the trend towards open bars rather than the dark closed bars where all kinds of hanky panky could happen, made me spend very little time there.

Is this still a trend or are bars (hopefully) moving back towards the older style closed bars?

I'm planning to make a visit again and wondering it's going to be worth it.[/QUOTE]Nope. There are still a lot of open bars.

Ok just busted my Party of the Year Soi 6 cherry at Red Point.

Great girl from Buriam named Mon, (would not allow photo).

Very beautiful face with soft eyes and a awesome set of silicon titties very soft and realistic to the touch.

Amazing vanilla sex with perfect body of curves, couple tattoo but soft spoken.

Would I return: oh ya but another weekend after the party.

Lots fresh talent on the Soi but looks like it is just starting to get going.

Time to get some food and recharge for the next adventure, think for my second shot today I should go for 3 sum.

Chok dee kup.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1719500]Surely there are cheaper working girls in India. The brothels of Calcutta and all that. Can someone from there explain why so many travel here. Is it for reasons other than the women?[/QUOTE]It's not the cost. They hunt in packs in Pattaya because they think they can get away with poor behaviour. Many of them are lower middle class, not worldly and have newly come into money. The sight of so many near naked, attractive women, free flowing alcohol and feeling of power they get in the group becomes an intoxicating combination. If they tried this rubbish with the working girls in Kolkata or Mumbai, the pimps (and Mafia enforcers) would slit their throats. Negotiating down, trying to short change girls, not tipping and not playing by the rules are usual Indian traits from Indians who have never travelled abroad before.

I agree with GE. I too have worked in India and concur it's the most sexually repressed society in the world, apart from say Saudi Arabia. India has the highest rate of sexual assault in the world and its the reason why girls from respectable families are so fiercely protected by their parents. The incidence of sexual assault, often from family members, is so frequent that it's frightening. I didn't believe this until I went to India. Their attitude towards woman in India is so poor that they naturally bring those to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1730307]It's not the cost. They hunt in packs in Pattaya because they think they can get away with poor behaviour. Many of them are lower middle class, not worldly and have newly come into money. The sight of so many near naked, attractive women, free flowing alcohol and feeling of power they get in the group becomes an intoxicating combination. If they tried this rubbish with the working girls in Kolkata or Mumbai, the pimps (and Mafia enforcers) would slit their throats. Negotiating down, trying to short change girls, not tipping and not playing by the rules are usual Indian traits from Indians who have never travelled abroad before.

I agree with GE. I too have worked in India and concur it's the most sexually repressed society in the world, apart from say Saudi Arabia. India has the highest rate of sexual assault in the world and its the reason why girls from respectable families are so fiercely protected by their parents. The incidence of sexual assault, often from family members, is so frequent that it's frightening. I didn't believe this until I went to India. Their attitude towards woman in India is so poor that they naturally bring those to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Gin and Tonic.

I should also point out that Indians feel they are superior to Thais and will spend half a day explaining why this is so. India is a very backward looking, hierarchical country. A lot of Thai culture and language comes from India when Asoka did his religious crusade. It is therefore natural for an Indian to look down on Thais as their intellectual and spiritual inferior. The fact that Thailand wasn't colonised by the British and English is not spoken doesn't add to its status. Now add in prostitutes and you can see this is not going to end well. As far as the Indian tourist is concerned, the prostitute deserves to be gang banged as that is her role in life; to service her superior in any way he sees fit.

The only Asian race Indians feel are their intellectual equal are Japanese.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728639]I hear you and I know that mixed in with the transvestites there are a few actual women available. The problem is (and its my fault) I went to the other side of the planet to get with women who aren't attractive. The ones who are attractive are either men or no less expensive than working girls in Zurich or Hong Kong. Believe me I feel a lot better now that I've let it go and I'm just enjoying a PG vacation now and my X-rated vacation can start when I escape Pattaya later this week. Hell, I may even return to Thailand someday because the country IS interesting. I'll just know that it won't be for sex.[/QUOTE]I understand. It took me several, perhaps many, trips to Pattaya before it clicked for me. For what it's worth I'm now actually living here (after probably 15-20 trips of varying success, at times even really hating the place and having similar feelings as you). I don't have any specific advice other than that I would say do try a few more tries, you might find a good experience or two changes things in your mind.

Also if you haven't already you may way to give Bangkok a try. That's actually how I got into enjoying Pattaya, was via Bangkok (spent over a year there during the course of a 5-yr span and ultimately did the same here, and now prefer to live here).

-be-.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1730310]Gin and Tonic.

I should also point out that Indians feel they are superior to Thais and will spend half a day explaining why this is so. India is a very backward looking, hierarchical country. A lot of Thai culture and language comes from India when Asoka did his religious crusade. It is therefore natural for an Indian to look down on Thais as their intellectual and spiritual inferior. The fact that Thailand wasn't colonised by the British and English is not spoken doesn't add to its status. Now add in prostitutes and you can see this is not going to end well. As far as the Indian tourist is concerned, the prostitute deserves to be gang banged as that is her role in life; to service her superior in any way he sees fit.

The only Asian race Indians feel are their intellectual equal are Japanese.[/QUOTE]That may be true to some extent but it does not excuse the fact that they deceive the girls, hide in closets, etc. Also in the court of public opinion, and I mean all public, literally no one is on the side of the Indians. This ensures that they won't last long (or won't have many mongering options) - in fact we've already seen that over the past 10-20 years, Indians are largely discriminated against in Thailand, for these (good) reasons.

[QUOTE=SilicaStorm;1730276]Ok just busted my Party of the Year Soi 6 cherry at Red Point.

Great girl from Buriam named Mon, (would not allow photo).

Very beautiful face with soft eyes and a awesome set of silicon titties very soft and realistic to the touch.

Amazing vanilla sex with perfect body of curves, couple tattoo but soft spoken.

Would I return: oh ya but another weekend after the party.

Lots fresh talent on the Soi but looks like it is just starting to get going.

Time to get some food and recharge for the next adventure, think for my second shot today I should go for 3 sum.

Chok dee kup.[/QUOTE]Haha!

That's the spirit! I'm happy to hear Soi 6 is going strong and that you are having fun. I can't wait to get down there in August.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

I'm new to the Thailand section of ISG but wouldn't discussions about Indians be better suited in the General Discussion thread or to make a separate "Indians in Thailand" thread. It is not a Pattaya issue rather a Thailand (and possibly worldwide) issue.

[QUOTE=SilicaStorm;1730276]Ok just busted my Party of the Year Soi 6 cherry at Red Point. Great girl from Buriam named Mon, (would not allow photo).
Very beautiful face with soft eyes and a awesome set of silicon titties very soft and realistic to the touch.
Amazing vanilla sex with perfect body of curves, couple tattoo but soft spoken.
[/QUOTE]I think I fucked her too, around 18 months ago before silicon, so now must to do again. If is the same girl I have her on FB with some sexy photo.

Off to Pattaya July 16-26, to break my cherry, normal why go to Manila, but fancy a change.

Can anybody let me know what the current rates are for ST and LT, also any good tips as to the best bars to go to.

I have been told that July is quiet season, and there are lets tourists around is this true?

Anybody there at the same time who wants to be my wingman.

MB

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1730365]I'm new to the Thailand section of ISG but wouldn't discussions about Indians be better suited in the General Discussion thread or to make a separate "Indians in Thailand" thread. It is not a Pattaya issue rather a Thailand (and possibly worldwide) issue.[/QUOTE]It doesn't really seem worth it. It's also such common knowledge that it's effectively a truism. So I suggest we just move on.

I've been going through my photos while in Pattaya. Was feeling nostalgic and I noticed that almost every night I was there the same dancer would come up and flirt with me. I tipped her ONLY my last night and had a girl with me.

Which brings me to this, would you bar fine a dancer at a club like insomnia knowing they have insane prices, if memory serves me right 1500 bar fine and around 4000 LT. I know some will say price isn't worth it and I agree but what I'm asking here is would you pay if you were really into the girl? Has anyone tried it before?

[QUOTE=Moegy;1730565]Which brings me to this, would you bar fine a dancer at a club like insomnia knowing they have insane prices, if memory serves me right 1500 bar fine and around 4000 LT. I know some will say price isn't worth it and I agree but what I'm asking here is would you pay if you were really into the girl? Has anyone tried it before?[/QUOTE]No. It is Pattaya. There are hundreds of other chicks that I would be really into just as much for 1000 LT all the way down to free.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1730565]I've been going through my photos while in Pattaya. Was feeling nostalgic and I noticed that almost every night I was there the same dancer would come up and flirt with me. I tipped her ONLY my last night and had a girl with me.

Which brings me to this, would you bar fine a dancer at a club like insomnia knowing they have insane prices, if memory serves me right 1500 bar fine and around 4000 LT. I know some will say price isn't worth it and I agree but what I'm asking here is would you pay if you were really into the girl? Has anyone tried it before?[/QUOTE]I have spent many months in Pattaya and the most I ever paid was on my cherry trip 2000 LT. Now I know better. If you are about to pay 5500 for LT, you are not into the girl, you're into some fantasy and you need to wake up.

Try an experiment. Offer her 1500 LT if she will meet you after work. See how into you she is.

Day1. Arrive in Pattaya. Checkin at LK Resinnance on Soi Diana.

Take rest, and was buzzed by Jeab, she was introduced by another mutual friend.

Met her around 3 pm at hotel. Nice lady at 30, had birth scars though. Nice GFE experience with her and overall a nice 2 fucks with her. She left around 8 pm, and I said we may meet tomorrow. Pay her 1 k.

Then go dinner and try to rest till 11 pm but unfortunately couldn't get up as no sleep due to overnight flight & whole day with Jeab.

Day 2. Get up 11, finish breakfast. Then towards afternoon go to Soi6, annual party on, full of chicks. Go 2-3 rounds up & down, to final on Ruby club with was full with lot of men & cute chicks. See a nice lady Noy, have a drink & ask her rate, she said 1 k & 300 room. Up we go, nice BBBJ, all holes open. Fuck in multiple position and last CIM. Nice girl but just a little bit rough with BJ, I had to keep asking to go slow.

It was 5.30 pm, Go to beach road. See some aerobics and do a up walk to walking street. Then got buzzed from a girl I was chat on Line, name Lex. Asked her to come around 8 pm.

Meet her at hotel, what a girl she was. May be around 23-24 yo, very think & glamorous only was boob were little too small to my liking. But she made up with the performance on bed. HAd dinner, and Did around 3 shots with her in night & morning. All on menu, BBBJ, CIM, cowboy, reverse, anal. Wow what a girl and she was so jovial that I liked her a lot. Had breakfast with her and then some foreplay as my johny was too tired by this time for another round but boy she was aroused again, LOL. Anyway bid her goodbye and paid her 1. 2 k.

Now writing this report and lets see what I have it today in night. Will report about it tomorrow.

I didn't see too much discrimination with me at least, as I was solo and only advise to all my brothers is be polite, respect the lady, keep smiling and pay & tip well, and don't be too stingy on pocket. Spend good on etc and get her drinks, dinner, etc and she will give you exceptional performance.

Cheers

[QUOTE=TellAll;1730597]I have spent many months in Pattaya and the most I ever paid was on my cherry trip 2000 LT. Now I know better. If you are about to pay 5500 for LT, you are not into the girl, you're into some fantasy and you need to wake up.

Try an experiment. Offer her 1500 LT if she will meet you after work. See how into you she is.[/QUOTE]Why do you care? Seriously, it's one thing to give tips about prices but another thing entirely to try to police it. Pay 100,000 for all I care. Whatever floats your boat. It's a HUGE market and there will ALWAYS be people who pay more (and less) than you, no matter what you say or do. Personally if I can overpay to get better service I always will, and I have some girls on call 24/7 because they know I'll give them 3000 for ST no questions asked so they show up within an hour or two no matter the time of day or night (and they are smoking hot and let me creampie them which I like) - so that's worth it to me. And believe me I'm literally never thinking that some poor punter is going to be upset that I'm overpaying.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1730794]Why do you care? Seriously, it's one thing to give tips about prices but another thing entirely to try to police it. Pay 100,000 for all I care. Whatever floats your boat. It's a HUGE market and there will ALWAYS be people who pay more (and less) than you, no matter what you say or do. Personally if I can overpay to get better service I always will, and I have some girls on call 24/7 because they know I'll give them 3000 for ST no questions asked so they show up within an hour or two no matter the time of day or night (and they are smoking hot and let me creampie them which I like) - so that's worth it to me. And believe me I'm literally never thinking that some poor punter is going to be upset that I'm overpaying.[/QUOTE]Because the original poster asked if he should do it. Did you even read his post? And I have those same girls on call who know I am going to give them 500ST. Not knocking you for giving them 3000, but Tell All's point is that it is not necessary. Try to show a guy how he save a baht and get chewed out.

If agoda is trying to charge me 4000 baht to stay at Sunshine Hotel on Soi 8 and someone says hey man, just email the hotel directly and you can get it for 2500 I would jump on that. Then there are others like you who would just rather pay the 4000 for the same damn thing. Since when does paying more mean better service?

[QUOTE=Mdbksa;1730382]Off to Pattaya July 16-26, to break my cherry, normal why go to Manila, but fancy a change.

Can anybody let me know what the current rates are for ST and LT, also any good tips as to the best bars to go to.


MB[/QUOTE]You can read my trip report from a few weeks ago to get an idea on rates.

When I go back, I would be spending my afternoons on Soi 6 where the rates are cheaper, and where there are some very attractive ladies. (It would be a good place for three-ways and a place to hire girls to spend the entire day with you sight seeing and having dinner.) I would also spend the night time (after 10 pm) on Walking Street visiting some of the clubs. Afternoons and nighttimes are good to check for free lancers, which you can find standing around WS at night or Beach Road almost anytime from noon to sunrise. In Pattaya, I got some of my best performances from free lancers, but spend time taking to them first to get a feel for what kind of girls they are; be sure they leave their ID with the hotel staff (just in case they try to rip you off); and, of course, makes sure they are real girls. A couple of times I was nearly fooled!

As for what clubs to visit, I read reviews of various clubs here but still ended up visiting a bunch over the week I was there. You can read what I wrote about several, but you will still want to make your own selection. My main advice would be to make friends with the mamasan of any clubs you like. They can help in getting you the girl you want, especially if the girl is busy.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1730794]Why do you care? Seriously, it's one thing to give tips about prices but another thing entirely to try to police it. Pay 100,000 for all I care. Whatever floats your boat. It's a HUGE market and there will ALWAYS be people who pay more (and less) than you, no matter what you say or do. Personally if I can overpay to get better service I always will, and I have some girls on call 24/7 because they know I'll give them 3000 for ST no questions asked so they show up within an hour or two no matter the time of day or night (and they are smoking hot and let me creampie them which I like) - so that's worth it to me. And believe me I'm literally never thinking that some poor punter is going to be upset that I'm overpaying.[/QUOTE]I don't care, but if someone ask, I will give my opinion. Take you for example. You think you need to pay 3000st to get what you want. I think you should give them 4000st. If the service is good at 3000, it will be exceptional at 4000. Hence your logic.

I am happy there are guys like you subsidizing my cheap ass. You might even be one of the guys one of my girls brags about, giving her big money for st. We just laugh and then I fuck her for cheap.

[URL]http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/shisha-sales-banned-in-all-pattaya-bars-nightclubs/[/URL]

Anyone know if it has really gone into effect?

IMHO opinion it's good news. I hate the damn things. The smoke makes me sick and I always feel like someone is going to knock the thing over and burn themselves or start a fire. And girls will no longer ask for us to treat them to it at I-bar and other spots. (though I admit it's fun doing the smoke make out trick with them).

[QUOTE=TellAll;1730971]I don't care, but if someone ask, I will give my opinion. Take you for example. You think you need to pay 3000st to get what you want. I think you should give them 4000st. If the service is good at 3000, it will be exceptional at 4000. Hence your logic.

I am happy there are guys like you subsidizing my cheap ass. You might even be one of the guys one of my girls brags about, giving her big money for st. We just laugh and then I fuck her for cheap.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys. Don't you think this topic has been discussed to death! It would be far more productive just to post your experiences and let the members use whatever information they can to help them. Rates, very simple to figure out. Supply and demand. Enough said.

Been here today, around 4 pm. 7/8 ladies inside. Nice new place. I had 2ST, one with Om 35 yo and one with Nok 22 yo both girls are 3 holers and good performer. 1. 000 b each girls, 300 b each room. 130 b Ladydrink, 60 b soft drink.

I had a nice afternoon.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1731097]Hey guys. Don't you think this topic has been discussed to death! It would be far more productive just to post your experiences and let the members use whatever information they can to help them. Rates, very simple to figure out. Supply and demand. Enough said.[/QUOTE]Amen. I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with sharing info for these guys. It's a way of cock-measuring, in their minds. I'm immediately reminded why I stopped sharing info on this forum. Fortunately I have made enough of a career where I don't have to ever worry about a few thousand baht here and there, or every day for the rest of my life. Meantime I'm more than happy to see less financially well off people getting shagged too. Even if it's the same girls for whom I'm paying more (it's pennies, really). That all said, I too have run well out of patience for the price police on this forum. And on that note, I'm out and going to bang an porn star tonight. Because I can. Best wishes to all and hope all's dreams come true, whatever the price.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1731118]Been here today, around 4 pm. 7/8 ladies inside. Nice new place. I had 2ST, one with Om 35 yo and one with Nok 22 yo both girls are 3 holers and good performer. 1. 000 b each girls, 300 b each room. 130 b Ladydrink, 60 b soft drink.

I had a nice afternoon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! I think I will try to check out these G-Clubs next time I am in patts. There is not a lot of info on them and this definitely helps.

I checked out their facebook page. Did you happen to see any of these ladies when you were there? I am just trying to get some sense of the quality of the girls. I think some of the ladies in the photo are very cute.

Thanks again for an informative report!

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1731124]I think I will try to check out these G-Clubs next time I am in patts. There is not a lot of info on them and this definitely helps.[/QUOTE]I definitely plan on checking out some Gentleman's Clubs when I'm in Pattaya, mainly the Jomtien ones. They remind me of small German FKK's.

I found a German site that has monthly visits to G-clubs as well as go go clubs, etc. Next G-club night is Sunday, July 5 leaving at 3 pm. Sounds like a fun night.

I'm interested in info about Rioja Gentleman's club in Jomtien if anyone has been there.

[QUOTE]SITC Monthly Gentlemens Club Bar Crawl

We will be having our eighth (And monthly) Gentlemens Club Crawl..It is the last Sunday of every single month we have this party...for this month we are doing the FIRST Sunday of July due to a birthday party at the end of June.

We meet at Sexy in the city on Soi 6, across from the Queen Vic Inn at 3PM. We depart at 3:20 so be on time.

We will rent a baht bus that allows us to go and visit the afternoon gentlemen clubs and sex clubs that you would often not get to visit otherwise.

Here is our agenda for this trip-Feel free to give input if you would like.

We stay an hour at each bar to allow plenty of time for short time, drinks, etc.

This month we are going to keep it mostly in Pattaya area and skip Jomtien for the first time to get to some areas we don't go as often.

Venus Lounge

M Club

007

Club 4

Excite Club

Le Carre Blanc

Montana

OPTIONAL: The Castle Bondage Club. For those brave, I will be leading the group to the Castle. It is a 900 baht entry charge so be aware.

We expect a full group of guys, last time we had 22 guys in total and it grows every month.[/QUOTE]

Club 4 and 007 are in the same building and run by Tak, the mamasan / wife of the owner of Le Carre Blanc. So you know what to expect. The price is 1k ST with a 300bt barfine. Club 4 was raided a while back. Their license and papers were apparently not in order. Club 4 is scheduled to reopen shortly if it has not done so already.

Over in Jomtien; Kinnaree Place, located between soi 4 and soi 5 389/110 moo 12, Pratamnak Road, Soi 4 and Sapphire Lodge & Gentlemen's Club, if it is still open opposite of the Asia Hotel at the end of soi 4 Pratunmak Hill Soi 4 are both friendly places definitely worth checking out. It is a nice set up with a bar and swimming pool. As to girl quality; well you have to go there and see who is hanging around. Pattaya G Clubs are like a box of chocolate.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731151]I definitely plan on checking out some Gentleman's Clubs when I'm in Pattaya, mainly the Jomtien ones. They remind me of small German FKK's.

I found a German site that has monthly visits to G-clubs as well as go go clubs, etc. Next G-club night is Sunday, July 5 leaving at 3 pm. Sounds like a fun night.

I'm interested in info about Rioja Gentleman's club in Jomtien if anyone has been there.[/QUOTE]Thanks BB. I've heard about these crawls, but am not so keen on them. While it'd be fun to go in a group I think there mmay nto be enough wuality girls to go around. I think I'd prefer to go alone or with a friend or two than with a horny horde of 22 dudes. 555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1731172]Club 4 and 007 are in the same building and run by Tak, the mamasan / wife of the owner of Le Carre Blanc. So you know what to expect. The price is 1k ST with a 300bt barfine. Club 4 was raided a while back. Their license and papers were apparently not in order. Club 4 is scheduled to reopen shortly if it has not done so already.

Over in Jomtien; Kinnaree Place, located between soi 4 and soi 5 389/110 moo 12, Pratamnak Road, Soi 4 and Sapphire Lodge & Gentlemen's Club, if it is still open opposite of the Asia Hotel at the end of soi 4 Pratunmak Hill Soi 4 are both friendly places definitely worth checking out. It is a nice set up with a bar and swimming pool. As to girl quality; well you have to go there and see who is hanging around. Pattaya G Clubs are like a box of chocolate.[/QUOTE]The master always delivers with the info! And thanks for your advice on how to handle my VN girl. It worked like a charm! I hope we'll have a chance to hit one of these venues together one day.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1731177]Thanks BB. I've heard about these crawls, but am not so keen on them. While it'd be fun to go in a group I think there mmay nto be enough wuality girls to go around. I think I'd prefer to go alone or with a friend or two than with a horny horde of 22 dudes. 555.[/QUOTE]I figure a good way to check out so many clubs in one day, easily returning to the one (s) you like on a different day / night.

Thanks for the info Natty. Any experience at Rioja or the newer G-clubs like Venus and Heaven?

I went to Walking Street and first sat down for a little bit of live rock-and-roll music at Utopia. They have a decent band before midnight, and then a fat chick comes in to sing so I left.

I decided to go to Sensations. I was watching the girls dancing, and I don't remember exactly how but there was one who sort of made eye contact and sort of invited herself next to me after she had finished her dancing. Who am I to say no, there are so many girls that it's better to go with the one who has shown at least some interest in me. Usually correlates with better experience in the sack.

I barfined her and she took me to a short-time hotel. I usually go to Oasis but Sensations must have a deal with that other place. Anyway, who am I to object, it was cheaper.

I put my wallet and cell phone into the safe, which I am not often able to do, and it made me feel more liberated. She was pretty good. I banged her for quite some time because the alcohol was making me capable of delaying orgasm. She did not complain and let herself be flipped around in all sorts of positions. She seemed to like missionary and there was some intimate kissing. When I came I was so loud that she mock-berated me. Half of her was very amused, the other half did not want to be told off by the hotel staff. But what do these hotel people expect happens in their bedrooms?

Anyway, an unusually good experience from Sensations. In the past I've had more than my fair share of starfish clock-watchers from them. I think the key was to just hang around long enough looking available until some girl decided to pick me.

Would I repeat? No, I like variety. Would I recommend? Yes, but only if she takes the initiative.

Tired after Lex left, I dozed off until evening.

Went to Central festival, then on to beach road until walking street. Get into a couple of Gogo's but dint find too many as may be too early.

Back to beach road, near mike find a good lady name Ta may be late 20 ish, ask for 800th ST. Go to my hotel, shower together then a nice fuck. She was pretty shy lady and just 2 weeks to Pattaya.

Ask for LT, she says 2 k and I counter 1. 5 K. Then bit of chitchat, set on 2 k, as she wants to go back with money.

Ful GFE and nice lady with medium English what more can I ask.

Another 2 shots in night and morning. She leaves. I invite her for breakfast but she says I go room now and sleep.

Have my breakfast and checkout to Bangkok.

Nice end to Pattaya, though dint visit Ibar or many of gogo's still had decent time in Pattaya. Wish I come back again soon.

Cheers

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1731172]Club 4 and 007 are in the same building and run by Tak, the mamasan / wife of the owner of Le Carre Blanc. So you know what to expect. The price is 1k ST with a 300bt barfine. Club 4 was raided a while back. Their license and papers were apparently not in order. Club 4 is scheduled to reopen shortly if it has not done so already.

Over in Jomtien; Kinnaree Place, located between soi 4 and soi 5 389/110 moo 12, Pratamnak Road, Soi 4 and Sapphire Lodge & Gentlemen's Club, if it is still open opposite of the Asia Hotel at the end of soi 4 Pratunmak Hill Soi 4 are both friendly places definitely worth checking out. It is a nice set up with a bar and swimming pool. As to girl quality; well you have to go there and see who is hanging around. Pattaya G Clubs are like a box of chocolate.[/QUOTE]Now Tak is in Saxo Bar in soi khao Noi in the Dark Side. Club 4 re-opened one month after the raid, now is open and I'll check soon. Sapphire Lodge in Soi4 was close for long time, now is called Viper. On Pratamnak Hill have also Heavens Lounge a nice club with swimming pool that have party usually on Friday.

Jomtien have also Winchester Club, Passion and Athena.

Soi 14- 3rd road Mclub they have a pool party 2 saturday for month, in June they had party last Saturday and will have again Saturday 20th.

Banana Boi for me the quality at club007 is medium-low. I saw 7/8 girls, 2 or 3 are young and nice but nothing special for me, other are 30 yo+ not looking so good. But I this club I search high service with anal. The best G-club for nice girls is Kinnaree Place.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1731094][URL]http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/shisha-sales-banned-in-all-pattaya-bars-nightclubs/[/URL]

Anyone know if it has really gone into effect?

IMHO opinion it's good news. I hate the damn things. The smoke makes me sick and I always feel like someone is going to knock the thing over and burn themselves or start a fire. And girls will no longer ask for us to treat them to it at I-bar and other spots. (though I admit it's fun doing the smoke make out trick with them).[/QUOTE]They have been saying this for a couple of years now. Still no change. There are also places that are primary shisha smoke spots. Will they have to go out of business?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1731390]I went to Walking Street and first sat down for a little bit of live rock-and-roll music at Utopia. They have a decent band before midnight, and then a fat chick comes in to sing so I left.

I decided to go to Sensations. I was watching the girls dancing, and I don't remember exactly how but there was one who sort of made eye contact and sort of invited herself next to me after she had finished her dancing. Who am I to say no, there are so many girls that it's better to go with the one who has shown at least some interest in me. Usually correlates with better experience in the sack.

I barfined her and she took me to a short-time hotel. I usually go to Oasis but Sensations must have a deal with that other place. Anyway, who am I to object, it was cheaper.

I put my wallet and cell phone into the safe, which I am not often able to do, and it made me feel more liberated. She was pretty good. I banged her for quite some time because the alcohol was making me capable of delaying orgasm. She did not complain and let herself be flipped around in all sorts of positions. She seemed to like missionary and there was some intimate kissing. When I came I was so loud that she mock-berated me. Half of her was very amused, the other half did not want to be told off by the hotel staff. But what do these hotel people expect happens in their bedrooms?

Anyway, an unusually good experience from Sensations. In the past I've had more than my fair share of starfish clock-watchers from them. I think the key was to just hang around long enough looking available until some girl decided to pick me.

Would I repeat? No, I like variety. Would I recommend? Yes, but only if she takes the initiative.[/QUOTE]What were the fees involved?

First round in soi 6, and every time I return in this soi, I remain more and more disappointed.

I remember 6/5/4 years ago, just walk inside the soi and ladies shout "come fuck me, I suck your cock, fuck my ass, ecc. " now you only listen "one drink inside". WTF! Why people don't go drink in soi7 or 8?? I come here for fuck.

Went to Red Point (in the past years I spend alot of money in this bar and went upstair with alot of 3 holers) for greet the Mamasan "oh how are you? How long you stay here?" bla bla bla ok now talking about serious things, she told me that have new ladies, some 3 holers some not. One girl sit next to her said that she can do, I ask how much and she said 2. 000 + 350 b. Are you kidding me? Are you serious? Never paid more then 1. 000 b + 350 b for anal. She said now 1. 000b only pussy, 2. 000b for ass. No Way!! Red Point will be on my black list for this holiday.

Stop in another bar (I think The Pussy Club, but not sure) I ask one lady how much for fuck. She said only drink. Hahahahah.

But luck helps the brave (we say in my country), one sexy and young girl come outside from Spider Bar (now many ladies just stay sit and are to lazy to stand up) Mimi, 25 yo. I ask for ass and she said no problem. This surprise me, sound good. "Can do everythings na, just give me 300 be tip". Ok deal. 300b + 1. 300b for her, great anal fuck, good BBBJ and CIM. At the end she let me take some her sexy pics with the uniform.

Walk to second road and I was stoppend from girl in O'Bar. Ask for ass and she showed me her friends can do it. Nong Ying (I think) 30/32 yo, big tattoo on left arm and piercing under her lipson the left side.

300 b + 1. 000 b all in. Sounds good, go upstair. Her BBBJ skills was poor but analFS was good, this time I was unable to cum.

Wide selection of girls from Central Festival down to WS. I talked with 5 girls, 3 of them ask for 700,1 for 600 and 1 for 800.2 of this 5 agree for anal fuck for 1. 000 b so of course I pick up them.

First girl was Lyn, 31 yo, small and petite, great tiny ass and her body look so good without stretch marks. She was funny and good performance, good suck. I must to fuck her ass slow because was tight but she let me do it for long time, nice girls.

Second girl was Pu, 28 yo, little be big, with a big ass like sud american girl. She was hilarious made me laughing alot. BBBJ was ok but not the best. Good anal fuck she can take deep and strong.

Both girls refuse to let me cum in their mouth.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1731400]Now Tak is in Saxo Bar in soi khao Noi in the Dark Side. Club 4 re-opened one month after the raid, now is open and I'll check soon. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the timely update Christian. I try to keep up on current goings on, but it is not always possible to stay as up to date as I would like. I was last in Pattaya in spring 2014. One afternoon I rented a motorcycle and rode around the Dark Side stopping off at Aqua Deymie and Dao Bar where I met a real friendly girl. It was a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1731400]Sapphire Lodge in Soi4 was close for long time, now is called Viper. On Pratamnak Hill have also Heavens Lounge a nice club with swimming pool that have party usually on Friday. The best G-club for nice girls is Kinnaree Place.[/QUOTE]I like Kinnaree too. I will try to go there again next trip, but you know how things are. There is always the possibility that I may not even make it out of Walking Street, LK Metro and my VT 6 rented condo. It all depends on the girls I meet. But situated relatively close to Soi 6, I am sure I will make it over there at least one time for a late afternoon / early evening beer and looksee. Plus it is always interesting and sometimes rewarding to walk down the Coconut Bar from the Hilton to the Marriott. I love Pattaya in the low season - so many girls, and never enough time.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1731669] just walk inside the soi and ladies shout "come fuck me, I suck your cock, fuck my ass, ecc. " now you only listen "one drink inside". WTF! Why people don't go drink in soi7 or 8?? I come here for fuck. [/QUOTE]I thought all these girls fuck? I find it extremely frustrating to see the girl I want and I can't fuck her. It's like going to a strip club and the hottest girl is the waitress.

I am also noticing that guys are picking up ladies in there late 20's and 30's. I'm after super hot 18-22 year old girls like I get in Germany FKK's and where I am from. Where should I be going to find 18-22 year old girls?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731727]I thought all these girls fuck? I find it extremely frustrating to see the girl I want and I can't fuck her. It's like going to a strip club and the hottest girl is the waitress.

I am also noticing that guys are picking up ladies in there late 20's and 30's. I'm after super hot 18-22 year old girls like I get in Germany FKK's and where I am from. Where should I be going to find 18-22 year old girls?[/QUOTE]Agree strongly with your post.

Although I was there last April. I didn't seem to stumble upon any 18/22 yo. I myself am 27 and this was my second visit in 6 months so it was very frustrating that through 7 days and 8 girls (check my posts 7 days) I didn't hook up with one girl that was younger than I am which was unlike my previous trip.

Only bar fined one who was 23 and she ended up apologizing and offering me my bar fine back and till this day I don't know why and neither do my Thai friends who were with me at the time. She didn't speak to any of us. 4 men with 3 Thai girls and her.

The other was a bar girl who asked for 1000 be bar fine and 3000 baht LT. Seeing as it was sungkran for the bar fine it's usually 600. But still crazy prices in retrospect I might have payed seeing as she was on my mind for the entire 6 months between both trips and part of why I was dying to go back to patts soon. She ruined my dream.

Anyway to cut it short I guess they are working at bars down on walking street and go go s it's even evident if you read other users posts. This is my best guess. Anyway regardless of where they are I believe they have come to realize that they are a hard commodity to come across thus asking for more money. And since they are all we want after all we end up paying.

As I was saying if there Was a like button ID like your question, can anybody give us a solid answer?

Nataree in BKK has a boatload of young girls 18 to 25. But there is a premium for 18 year olds. Northern Asian customers seem particularly willing to pay more for the illusion of innocence and low mileage. Personally I prefer 20 to 24 year olds and then 25 to 28 year olds. These girls have been in the business awhile, know the score, and look great. They are more skilled than their younger 18 year old sisters. Truthfully, the 18 year olds tend to be shy with Farangs and not that great in bed. You have to allow for that when you are with them. Once in a while I even have the urge to shag older girls age 29 to 35. If their looks are still holding out, these girls can be great lovers. So in conclusion, LOS has girls in all age groups 18 to 45. Take what you want. It is a Moveable Feast.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1731764]

As I was saying if there Was a like button ID like your question, can anybody give us a solid answer?[/QUOTE]My situation is also somewhat similar, but I have not had too much trouble in finding girls between 23-28. Anything under that between 19-22 (preferred group) has been very rare indeed (can't remember one memorable experience), the point about commanding a premium may be right. Generally FLs in the middle to late 20's can be picked up from the clubs and elsewhere, but going under that age bracket has been a real challenge. Even many coyotes, and other dancers at the Go-Gos might look young but if you ask them, chances are high that they are above 25.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731727]
I am also noticing that guys are picking up ladies in there late 20's and 30's. I'm after super hot 18-22 year old girls like I get in Germany FKK's and where I am from. Where should I be going to find 18-22 year old girls?[/QUOTE]Look around gogo in Walking Street and go Ibar and Insomnia for young girls, hope you can drink, smoke shisha, pay for bottle and stay there untill 4/5/6 am. Actually the girls in disco seems more interesting in party all night long.

For me in German FKK I looking for quality and stunning girls. In Pattaya I want a great service with kinky stuff and nasty sex, and many times ladies in there late 20's and 30's are the best for this.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731727]I
I am also noticing that guys are picking up ladies in there late 20's and 30's. I'm after super hot 18-22 year old girls like I get in Germany FKK's and where I am from. Where should I be going to find 18-22 year old girls?[/QUOTE]In theory these girls are the most appealing. But in reality they are often shy, inexperienced, and really not that great in the sack. There are exceptions, of course.

23-27 is my wheelhouse. And since Asian girls tend to look a little younger there isn't really all that much of a difference. My 24 year old VN regular looks like she is about 18-19.

That said, like all of us, if I let the little head do the thinking I am all over a sexy 18-20 year old. Though I may not be all that happy with the results when I get her back to the condo.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1730337]I understand. It took me several, perhaps many, trips to Pattaya before it clicked for me. For what it's worth I'm now actually living here (after probably 15-20 trips of varying success, at times even really hating the place and having similar feelings as you). I don't have any specific advice other than that I would say do try a few more tries, you might find a good experience or two changes things in your mind.

Also if you haven't already you may way to give Bangkok a try. That's actually how I got into enjoying Pattaya, was via Bangkok (spent over a year there during the course of a 5-yr span and ultimately did the same here, and now prefer to live here).

-be-.[/QUOTE]Thanks but my first Pattaya trip turned out great. Now I'm about to leave Angeles which I now know sucks balls compared to Thailand, LOL! I'll be back to Pattaya in October.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1731867]Thanks but my first Pattaya trip turned out great. Now I'm about to leave Angeles which I now know sucks balls compared to Thailand, LOL! I'll be back to Pattaya in October.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you had a good time. I had a feeling your luck was going to turn. Patts is overwhelming and it can take even the most seasoned visitor a few days to get their legs underneath them.

I too prefer Patts to AC. Though I like both and definitely think AC has its charms too.

Will visit Pattaya with some friends!

I am planning to have a party / pool party in my resort with friends.

Where can I find a group of girls to join the games?

[QUOTE=SaintSeiya;1731895]Will visit Pattaya with some friends!

I am planning to have a party / pool party in my resort with friends.

Where can I find a group of girls to join the games?[/QUOTE]Anywhere! Soi 6, Beach Road, the many beerbars, massage places that provide out-call and even a-gogo clubs (although those will be expensive). Just be clear about your wishes: how long do they have to stay, what services to provide, how many men will be there and how many women you are "hiring".

Take their contact details and assume some will be late or not coming, so have some on the reserve list! Also, if you hire from Soi 6 or a-gogos you will have to prepay the bar-fine. Massage places that provide out-call services may even ask for a full payment up front.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731727]I thought all these girls fuck? I find it extremely frustrating to see the girl I want and I can't fuck her. It's like going to a strip club and the hottest girl is the waitress.

I am also noticing that guys are picking up ladies in there late 20's and 30's. I'm after super hot 18-22 year old girls like I get in Germany FKK's and where I am from. Where should I be going to find 18-22 year old girls?[/QUOTE]There's thousands upon thousands of girls available, if a girl turns you down just walk 5 feet. There are young girls in every gogo bar, just ask the mamasan to bring you out some nice fresh virgins. Seriously though, buy the mamasan a drink and tell her your looking for younger girls (with ID) who perform well.

The problem won't be finding a girl you want to fuck and having her say no, the problem will be finding 20 girls you want to fuck and trying to pick one.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1731764]Agree strongly with your post.

Although I was there last April. I didn't seem to stumble upon any 18/22 yo. <...> can anybody give us a solid answer?[/QUOTE]

There are simply less and less girls going into the business. Its not like the good old days. For one thing the 18-22 year old generation is very small in Thailand, much smaller than the older generations - its a low-birthrate, aging society. In addition, I believe every year a lower and lower percentage of girls go into the farang oriented business - either because they prefer non-sex work or because the Thai and Asian oriented side of the business is growing so much more than the farang-oriented side, particularly for young girls (most Thais and other Asians would be quite repelled by anyone over 23 or so).

So, as always the farang are left with the dregs, and the dregs are getting older.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1732115]the Thai and Asian oriented side of the business is growing so much more than the farang-oriented side, particularly for young girls (most Thais and other Asians would be quite repelled by anyone over 23 or so). [/QUOTE]Where are these Asian bars the girls are at?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1732070]There's thousands upon thousands of girls available, if a girl turns you down just walk 5 feet. There are young girls in every gogo bar, just ask the mamasan to bring you out some nice fresh virgins. Seriously though, buy the mamasan a drink and tell her your looking for younger girls (with ID) who perform well.

The problem won't be finding a girl you want to fuck and having her say no, the problem will be finding 20 girls you want to fuck and trying to pick one.[/QUOTE]Of course, the younger cuter ones are generally more EXPENSIVE (and the local non pros on coconut road have been pretty much scared off by the tum ruat's nightly pussy patrol at between 11 and midnite. The pros just consider it a "business expense.

[QUOTE=SaintSeiya;1731895]Will visit Pattaya with some friends!

I am planning to have a party / pool party in my resort with friends.

Where can I find a group of girls to join the games?[/QUOTE]It's not as easy as it sounds if you try to round them up over a couple of days as many will not turn up at the agreed time. You'll need to agree to take them for 2 days if you want them from beer bars and agogo's, even then they'll likely nip home for a couple of hours to get changed whilst you're trying to have the pool party.

Going early to Soi 6 or any of the gentleman's clubs is a nice way to do it. Get there on the open (place dependent 12-2 pm) and fill your boots with long time girls for a perfect afternoon pool party.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1732460]Of course, the younger cuter ones are generally more EXPENSIVE (and the local non pros on coconut road have been pretty much scared off by the tum ruat's nightly pussy patrol at between 11 and midnite. The pros just consider it a "business expense.[/QUOTE]Just from my personal observations, but the younger FLs go to the discos, especially I-bar. And the stay out LATE.

The ones that are a little older, have a day job, or that may have a kid at home, do the BR thing. They don't want to or can't stay out super-late. Some of these also go to Red Car. But that place is really hit or miss.

Also some just don't like the discos because they are too loud / smoke / don't drink (I. E. They aren't party girls). This is what my regular, who I met on BR told me. And she is definitely hot enough to do well for herself int eh discos. She just doesn't like them.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1731807]Look around gogo in Walking Street and go Ibar and Insomnia for young girls, hope you can drink, smoke shisha, pay for bottle and stay there untill 4/5/6 am. Actually the girls in disco seems more interesting in party all night long.[/QUOTE]Yup, there's the rub. When you first meet them you'll have to keep up and spend money on drinks and Shisha (what a fucking waste that is)!

But once you've sealed the deal and spent the night together I arrange to meet them for dates and we skip the clubbing and just spend time together. At least that's my MO.

Hey I'm staying near LK metro. Just now I arived as I'm solo traveler. It would be welcome if any mate wana join for beer and hunt togather. I had plan to visit some nice place around the pattaya but must need a friend. I'm a 28 year young boy. Welcome if any mate wana join. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1732460]Of course, the younger cuter ones are generally more EXPENSIVE (and the local non pros on coconut road have been pretty much scared off by the tum ruat's nightly pussy patrol at between 11 and midnite. The pros just consider it a "business expense.[/QUOTE]Is coconut road a nickname for a certain street? Or is it the actual name? Either way can you give us info as to where it is?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1732682]Just from my personal observations, but the younger FLs go to the discos, especially I-bar. And the stay out LATE.

The ones that are a little older, have a day job, or that may have a kid at home, do the BR thing. They don't want to or can't stay out super-late. Some of these also go to Red Car. But that place is really hit or miss.

Also some just don't like the discos because they are too loud / smoke / don't drink (I. E. They aren't party girls). This is what my regular, who I met on BR told me. And she is definitely hot enough to do well for herself int eh discos. She just doesn't like them.[/QUOTE]If you mean insomnia as in the upstairs club I can assure you that the bigger percentage is 26 over. They do however take great care of themselves and how they look so they seem younger but in reality they are not the required age.

If you mean I bar, downstairs-ground floor section. The problem is that it's too loud yet is not an actual disco so it's very hard to speak to a girl And it gets CRAZY crowded so it's very hard to stand in one place to talk or even to scout for potential pick ups.

Another problem with insomnia is that the girls tend to be picky because they know that everyone there is looking so they go for the guy they like the most. Maybe it's you maybe it isn't. If you wait till past 1-2 am and you strike out your done for the night. Happened to me once last trip. Just the worst feeling ever.
My suggestion is as follows and I bet on this, u have two golden windows of opportunity at insomnia in general ( any floor ) between 10.55-11.05 pm and between 12.45 -1.15. Personally I have tried these times over 3 times each with golden results. I don't know y and don't ask me why I'm specific to it by the minute; but I'll bet anyone a drink they'll hook up if they go looking at these times.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1732841]If you mean insomnia as in the upstairs club I can assure you that the bigger percentage is 26 over. They do however take great care of themselves and how they look so they seem younger but in reality they are not the required age.

If you mean I bar, downstairs-ground floor section. The problem is that it's too loud yet is not an actual disco so it's very hard to speak to a girl And it gets CRAZY crowded so it's very hard to stand in one place to talk or even to scout for potential pick ups.

Another problem with insomnia is that the girls tend to be picky because they know that everyone there is looking so they go for the guy they like the most. Maybe it's you maybe it isn't. If you wait till past 1-2 am and you strike out your done for the night. Happened to me once last trip. Just the worst feeling ever.
My suggestion is as follows and I bet on this, u have two golden windows of opportunity at insomnia in general ( any floor ) between 10.55-11.05 pm and between 12.45 -1.15. Personally I have tried these times over 3 times each with golden results. I don't know y and don't ask me why I'm specific to it by the minute; but I'll bet anyone a drink they'll hook up if they go looking at these times.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. Yes I meant I-bar. I've only popped upstairs a couple of times as I find the music to be unbearable (I hate house music) upstairs. From my limited experience upstairs I did find that the hotter (and younger) girls were downstairs.

That said, I agree that I-bar is not a sure thing and that it can be a challenge. As far as approaching girls three I think I've been batting around. 500 . But I did do much better in low season than high, when the place was so packed it was hard even to find a girl that wasn't already surrounded by guys.

I'm not sure about those peak times you give as I wasn't keeping track myself. But I will give them a try next time I am there (in August) to test your theory.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1732837]Is coconut road a nickname for a certain street? Or is it the actual name? Either way can you give us info as to where it is?[/QUOTE]I think he meant Coconut Bar. Beach Road is known as the Coconut Bar because of the trees and freelancers.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1732837]Is coconut road a nickname for a certain street? Or is it the actual name? Either way can you give us info as to where it is?[/QUOTE]"Coconut Bar" is the pedestrian area of Beach Road. For mongering purposes it works as a bar and the presence of the coconut trees caused it to be named "Coconut Bar".

Where do all the gogo girls still looking for LT go after there Walking Street clubs close? Do they just hang around Walking Street? I enjoy talking to and charming young girls. If I can find one for LT who is hot and makes me laugh non-stop after the gogo clubs close I will consider that as hitting the jackpot.

On Walking Street, what time do gogo clubs close? Beer bars close? Discos close?

Same closing time for the soi 6, 7, and 8 bars / clubs?

[QUOTE=Moegy;1732837]Is coconut road a nickname for a certain street? Or is it the actual name? Either way can you give us info as to where it is?[/QUOTE]I read a while back that the freelancers on Beach Road (aka the Coconut Bar) are girls who aren't allowed on Walking Street. Not sure of the accuracy of this, I've had a girl or two from Beach Road and had no issues. That said, if something happens, you'll be hard pressed to track one down because they don't work in an establishment with a Mama-son.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1732921]Where do all the gogo girls still looking for LT go after there Walking Street clubs close? Do they just hang around Walking Street? I enjoy talking to and charming young girls. If I can find one for LT who is hot and makes me laugh non-stop after the gogo clubs close I will consider that as hitting the jackpot.

On Walking Street, what time do gogo clubs close? Beer bars close? Discos close?

Same closing time for the soi 6, 7, and 8 bars / clubs?[/QUOTE]Most gogos close at two some like windmill will close at three. Same for beer gardens. Most gogo girls go home and around two or three you can see the parade of them walking from walking street. Many are easy to pick up some are not. Many are willing to take one last customer. Some will go to the disco which are open until 6 am. 808 disco across from Alcatraz gogo seems to be popular with many of the gogo girls after they get off and seems to be very popular with the Soi 6 girls after they get off. A large number of the girls at 808 disco are Soi 6 girls who go there after their Soi 6 bar closes (most Soi 6 bars close at 1 am).

Chris

[QUOTE=Moegy;1732841]If you mean insomnia as in the upstairs club I can assure you that the bigger percentage is 26 over. They do however take great care of themselves and how they look so they seem younger but in reality they are not the required age.

If you mean I bar, downstairs-ground floor section. The problem is that it's too loud yet is not an actual disco so it's very hard to speak to a girl And it gets CRAZY crowded so it's very hard to stand in one place to talk or even to scout for potential pick ups.

Another problem with insomnia is that the girls tend to be picky because they know that everyone there is looking so they go for the guy they like the most. Maybe it's you maybe it isn't. If you wait till past 1-2 am and you strike out your done for the night. Happened to me once last trip. Just the worst feeling ever.
My suggestion is as follows and I bet on this, u have two golden windows of opportunity at insomnia in general ( any floor ) between 10.55-11.05 pm and between 12.45 -1.15. Personally I have tried these times over 3 times each with golden results. I don't know y and don't ask me why I'm specific to it by the minute; but I'll bet anyone a drink they'll hook up if they go looking at these times.[/QUOTE]This is a great analysis of Ibar if any one wants to know what its like trying to pick up women in there. They can be extremely picky on who they go with, and unfortunately in my opinion some of the hottest women in Pattaya are to be found there. If your a Brad Pitt look alike you may get laid for free. But if your just a mere mortal like the rest of us you'll probably get shot down and ignored a lot.

I found my best luck in there was in the wee hours of the morning 4 am or 5 am. Brad Pitt never showed up, they've been turning their nose up at every body else all night. They've bought themselves a few drinks and now the nights almost over and they want to recuperate some of the money they spent, they start to realize an old guy with money is better then no guy at all.

To my surprise last week I did two kamikaze runs during the peak times and came out successful both times. On two different occasions I tried to get the attention of what I thought was the hottest girl in the place and each time they total ignored me. I figured what the hell Ill just walk up to their table and try to talk to them if they ignore me or cold shoulder me Ill just leave. On both occasions it wasn't the warmest reception but they didn't total cold shoulder me and try to get rid of me. Tried to make conversation but headway was slow so after about two or three minutes I just popped the question "do you want to leave with me" response both times was how much will you give me. We settled on two and off we went.

Personally I prefer 808 disco. Its where all the Soi 6 girls go to party after their Soi 6 bar closes at one.

Chris

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1732894]"Coconut Bar" is the pedestrian area of Beach Road. For mongering purposes it works as a bar and the presence of the coconut trees caused it to be named "Coconut Bar".[/QUOTE]I suppose I missed it but during my first visit to Pattaya I didn't see anything of interest at the "coconut bar". The general quality of the women was NOT good. Why go there with so many beer bars around? Is there a good time to walk it to find 7s and 8s?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1732685]Yup, there's the rub. When you first meet them you'll have to keep up and spend money on drinks and Shisha (what a fucking waste that is)!
.[/QUOTE]Uncle V. Good news. Shisha has been banned in pattaya recently from all entertainment places. I have paid for it in almost all places including Insomnia and hate the very smell of it. Some relief at last.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1732997]Uncle V. Good news. Shisha has been banned in pattaya recently from all entertainment places. I have paid for it in almost all places including Insomnia and hate the very smell of it. Some relief at last.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! Good news indeed! Hopefully it will stick at leas till I get there in August.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1732996]I suppose I missed it but during my first visit to Pattaya I didn't see anything of interest at the "coconut bar". The general quality of the women was NOT good. Why go there with so many beer bars around? Is there a good time to walk it to find 7s and 8s?[/QUOTE]You can find cheap girls there. Cheaper than beer bar. I always had my best luck between 6&9 pm. Although I don't go there much anymore. Sometimes you can find a hottie.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1732973]This is a great analysis of Ibar if any one wants to know what its like trying to pick up women in there. Tried to make conversation but headway was slow so after about two or three minutes I just popped the question "do you want to leave with me" response both times was how much will you give me. We settled on two and off we went.[/QUOTE]This is exactly how the discos work. I don't know why many mongers have the idea that they must buy drinks and such for a girl and her friends. Many times I wake up in the middle of the night, head to a disco, go up to any random girl and say "Let's go." None of all that interviewing and feeling the girl out stuff that mongers talk about. Sometimes chicks are just out to party and will not go with you, but 9 times out of 10 they will either 1 get their purse and come with you asking no questions, or 2 say how much you give me. It only gets simpler if you are picking them out of a fishbowl.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1732926]I read a while back that the freelancers on Beach Road (aka the Coconut Bar) are girls who aren't allowed on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]

"Not allowed on Walking Street"? I wasn't aware of any Walking Street ban for anyone. More likely that the "Coconut Bar"-girls don't feel comfortable in Walking Street (too many non-mongering tourists; not beautiful enough to compete with the agogo-dancers; no place to sit; . . .).

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1732973]

To my surprise last week I did two kamikaze runs during the peak times and came out successful both times. On two different occasions I tried to get the attention of what I thought was the hottest girl in the place and each time they total ignored me. I figured what the hell Ill just walk up to their table and try to talk to them if they ignore me or cold shoulder me Ill just leave. On both occasions it wasn't the warmest reception but they didn't total cold shoulder me and try to get rid of me. Tried to make conversation but headway was slow so after about two or three minutes I just popped the question "do you want to leave with me" response both times was how much will you give me. We settled on two and off we went.

Chris[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing this. I-bar can be a tough nut to crack and I want to get my batting average up there. 5555

How did it go once you got to the room? Did they give good service? Was it GFE? My only concerns with this direct approach is that I use the initial "interview" to see whether or not there is chemistry. The view times I have had bad service was when I skied this step. Though I've also had a very good time with girls that I just took on the fly (but this was mostly from BR where you don't have a lot of time to interview and girls are a bit more direct).

Call me a sucker, but I like the flirting, buildup, and illusion that she's into you. For me that's half the fun. I'll be in town for a month next trip, so I'll have more time to experiment. I will give your and Mr E's "kamikaze method" a try one night when things aren't going well with my usual approach.

I am really looking forward to going back there in low season. It was just too crowded with dudes in December/January.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1733038]This is exactly how the discos work. I don't know why many mongers have the idea that they must buy drinks and such for a girl and her friends. Many times I wake up in the middle of the night, head to a disco, go up to any random girl and say "Let's go." None of all that interviewing and feeling the girl out stuff that mongers talk about. Sometimes chicks are just out to party and will not go with you, but 9 times out of 10 they will either 1 get their purse and come with you asking no questions, or 2 say how much you give me. It only gets simpler if you are picking them out of a fishbowl.[/QUOTE]Isn't the whole point of going to the disco sort of eliminating the business part of the pick up. Makes it feel more natural. You go to a club you pick up a girl you dance the night away, bump, grind and maybe more for a bit then go to your room. Personally the reason I hit the I bar or insomnia is to dance and have fun, ultimately get laid.

That's why I don't mind buying drinks because your having fun and you want the girl or your friends if your not solo to have fun.

The way I see it if this approach is your style maybe the bars would be better? Purely business and money based?

I'm not trying to hit on your strategy, I just feel that your missing out IF and only IF discos / clubs are a Point of interest to you.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1733140]Isn't the whole point of going to the disco sort of eliminating the business part of the pick up. Makes it feel more natural. You go to a club you pick up a girl you dance the night away, bump, grind and maybe more for a bit then go to your room. Personally the reason I hit the I bar or insomnia is to dance and have fun, ultimately get laid.

That's why I don't mind buying drinks because your having fun and you want the girl or your friends if your not solo to have fun.

The way I see it if this approach is your style maybe the bars would be better? Purely business and money based?

I'm not trying to hit on your strategy, I just feel that your missing out IF and only IF discos / clubs are a Point of interest to you.[/QUOTE]I agree with a good deal of what you say my friend.

But I can also see the rationale behind Mr. E's approach too. FLs at I-bar (and similar establishments) are prettier than beer bar or BR girls. And, on average, they charge less than the top GoGo girls -- though they are just as pretty.

That said I too like to play with illusions and do my fair share of bumping, grinding and making out at the club before taking them home.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1733140]Isn't the whole point of going to the disco sort of eliminating the business part of the pick up. Makes it feel more natural. You go to a club you pick up a girl you dance the night away, bump, grind and maybe more for a bit then go to your room. Personally the reason I hit the I bar or insomnia is to dance and have fun, ultimately get laid.

That's why I don't mind buying drinks because your having fun and you want the girl or your friends if your not solo to have fun.

The way I see it if this approach is your style maybe the bars would be better? Purely business and money based?

I'm not trying to hit on your strategy, I just feel that your missing out IF and only IF discos / clubs are a Point of interest to you.[/QUOTE]I live in Pattaya so things may play a little different for me. I have my fun in the day time by hanging out with friends doing different activities. I am not a bar guy and I don't pay bar fines. I have about 25 bottles of liquor at my place if I want to drink. If I go out at night then it is not to party and have a good time. It is to find a chick to bring back home at 1000 baht LT.

A lot of the girls in the discos already know me and I don't want my business in the street. I tend to play the background then when I see something I want I strike like a cobra and I'm out of there quickly. The girls are there for money and I have no illusions about that. I prefer to cut to the chase instead of pussyfooting around. I save that type of behavior for women who are not hookers.

If you're interested, I recently wrote a book, Cupid's Bow, with Pattaya as the main setting. If you've been to Pattaya, you might relate to some of the adventures my main character gets into (happy ending massages, go-gos, beer bars, and of course good times the girls). If you haven't been to Pattaya, then you might want to read it just to have an idea of what to expect. If you're interested, just PM me for the details. I can't give you the link here.

By the way, I've been a member of the forum for many years (This isn't some random advertisement from a company). I'm one of you and have been for years. I just self-published this on Amazon and wanted to share with you. And if you're in Pattaya this summer, look me up. We'll have a beer. In July, I will be posting proper trip reports from Pattaya.

P.S. Thank you to the moderator I emailed for keeping me straight on how I can share this with the members without breaking the rules.

Thanks,

Frank Anderson (aka Nefarious).

[QUOTE=Lou32;1732996]I suppose I missed it but during my first visit to Pattaya I didn't see anything of interest at the "coconut bar". The general quality of the women was NOT good. Why go there with so many beer bars around? Is there a good time to walk it to find 7s and 8s?[/QUOTE]A lot of guys like it because it's generally much cheaper than a beer bar; no lady drinks, and no bar fine. But like the old saying goes. You get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Nefarious;1733245]If you're interested, I recently wrote a book, Cupid's Bow, with Pattaya as the main setting. [/QUOTE]Not on Amazon.

How did it go once you got to the room? Did they give good service? Was it GFE? My only concerns with this direct approach is that I use the initial "interview" to see whether or not there is chemistry. The view times I have had bad service was when I skied this step. Though I've also had a very good time with girls that I just took on the fly (but this was mostly from BR where you don't have a lot of time to interview and girls are a bit more direct).

Call me a sucker, but I like the flirting, buildup, and illusion that she's into you. For me that's half the fun.

These girls that I took Kamikaze style out of Ibar were in my opinion the hottest girl in the place at the time. Their attitude when I approached was not overly warm by any means but they did not directly reject me. So I made the proposal right away and they were open to going at a price. Their attitude in the room and initially in the bed was the same as it had been in the bar. It has been my experience where ever in the world I have been that supper hot hoes with attitudes enjoy a good stick man in the bed and really like a good pounding. I'm not saying I'm anything special, because I'm not. But I have been doing this for a long time all over the world and like anything in life the more you do something the better at it you become. If your a good stick man they will respond accordingly in the bed and each time with the supper hotties from Ibar it turned out to be a PSA experience in the bed.

I personally don't enjoy the flirting and the buildup. I much more enjoy the taste of victory than the thrill of the chase. Maybe I'm just to risk adverse or have been around and seen to much. But my thoughts are always of getting ficha fucked, buying drinks all night and paying for various things with a flirtatious girl only to be told at the end of the night she's on mens or has to leave with her friends because her friend doesn't have the key to get into their apartment. I need to get laid first before I'm willing to play daddy warbucks at the disco with a flirtatious girl.

Chris

[QUOTE=David_33;1733285]Not on Amazon.[/QUOTE]Amazon UK, looks like the perfect entertainment for the long haul leg.

I've been getting a few messages saying they can't find it. It is an adult item so it might be hidden. Try this URL [URL]http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YLW0AJY[/URL].

Is this okay Jackson? Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1733038]This is exactly how the discos work. I don't know why many mongers have the idea that they must buy drinks and such for a girl and her friends. Many times I wake up in the middle of the night, head to a disco, go up to any random girl and say "Let's go." None of all that interviewing and feeling the girl out stuff that mongers talk about. Sometimes chicks are just out to party and will not go with you, but 9 times out of 10 they will either 1 get their purse and come with you asking no questions, or 2 say how much you give me. It only gets simpler if you are picking them out of a fishbowl.[/QUOTE]Hey, I suppose that works if you don't want to spend more than thirty seconds in the disco, but just sounds more like work than fun.

And if you are planning to spend the whole night with a girl, or a night and a day, worth taking the time to find out if she is fun.

And if you are going to hang around in the disco, it is kind of expected that you buy a drink for yourself, and a drink for each of the prospects that you consider.

Yesterday I tried the 3 clubs on the hill: Heanve's, Viper and Kinnaree.

3 pm Heaven's Soi 11 Kasetsin, outside I saw billboard advertising "Friday special party from 3 pm", oh nice I thought maybe they have a pool party in their swimming pool. Inside 4 customer and 8 ladies wear bikini and short jeans, 4 of them was ugly and fat, another 4 was ok. There were also 1 girl and 1 ladyboy wear a normal black dress.

They have buffet for 200 b but I don't check and taste anythings. I ask the girls about party, is swimming party? The said that if I want pool party I have to pay the girl, oh ok I understand not have any special party, just buffet.

So I asked for ST upstair, but they said that the room upstair is only for rent, not for ST. If I want lady I have to pay for BF and take her back to my room, ok how much for BF? 600. WTF!! Price out of business for the hill. I paid my soft drink and move next.

3. 30 pm Viper (ex Sapphire Lodge) soi 4 pratamnak. The place is nice and looking more same gogo and not G. Club around 12 look good girls, with a real sexy dress like a gogo dancer. I took a soft drink and the waitress explain me about the club: LD 125 b, they not have a room but I can use a free room in a guesthouse next to the club. Free?? Strange. Yes she said only barfine, and how much for BF? 1. 000 ahahahah Here all thai became crazy. Bye bye.

4. 15 pm Kinnaree. Many customer inside but not crowded like a buffet day (that I avoid), many men are there only for drink and monopolize the girls for a long chatting. I sipping my drink and refuse some ladies. Many girls there, some looking very good and sexy. At the end I decide to go with Wan, young 25 yo girl from a small village near Laos border. She have nice body and very cute. I asked for the room but she said have to wait because are full. This is so strange, is already 1 HR I sit here and looking around, and I saw only 2-3 men go in the room for ST, so how is possible the room are full? I thin they do this for try to charge more in drink and LD. After 10 min the room was magically available. Ahahahah.

Good perfomance in the room, shower together with a BBBJ, then we move on sof for some action, and she let me try to fuck her ass without tip but she can take only half. Finish with CIM. 1. 000 + 350.

I come back in the lounge room and sit on sofà, after some minutes 2 girls come to sit next to me. They offer me a 3 some, I ask for anal and one of them say she can do it but she want 2. 000 + room, OMG is incredible they think to be a superstar or top model for asking this crazy price. No way!

[QUOTE=David2;1733247]A lot of guys like it because it's generally much cheaper than a beer bar; no lady drinks, and no bar fine. But like the old saying goes. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]Which is better than not getting what you pay for, which happens quite a lot when you take a more expensive girl from a beer bar or in particular an agogo.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1732996]I suppose I missed it but during my first visit to Pattaya I didn't see anything of interest at the "coconut bar". The general quality of the women was NOT good. Why go there with so many beer bars around? Is there a good time to walk it to find 7s and 8s?[/QUOTE]I'm not very expert about the meaning of this numbering system, but 7-8 out of 10 doesn't sound like something you'd find much in Pattaya, even in a go-go. I think most fans of Beach Road care mostly about service and price, and are quite flexible on appearance.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1733480]Yesterday I tried the 3 clubs on the hill: Heanve's, Viper and Kinnaree.

3 pm Heaven's Soi 11 Kasetsin, outside I saw billboard advertising "Friday special party from 3 pm", oh nice I thought maybe they have a pool party in their swimming pool. Inside 4 customer and 8 ladies wear bikini and short jeans, 4 of them was ugly and fat, another 4 was ok. There were also 1 girl and 1 ladyboy wear a normal black dress.

They have buffet for 200 b but I don't check and taste anythings. I ask the girls about party, is swimming party? The said that if I want pool party I have to pay the girl, oh ok I understand not have any special party, just buffet.

So I asked for ST upstair, but they said that the room upstair is only for rent, not for ST. If I want lady I have to pay for BF and take her back to my room, ok how much for BF? 600. WTF!! Price out of business for the hill. I paid my soft drink and move next.

3. 30 pm Viper (ex Sapphire Lodge) soi 4 pratamnak. The place is nice and looking more same gogo and not G. Club around 12 look good girls, with a real sexy dress like a gogo dancer. I took a soft drink and the waitress explain me about the club: LD 125 b, they not have a room but I can use a free room in a guesthouse next to the club. Free?? Strange. Yes she said only barfine, and how much for BF? 1. 000 ahahahah Here all thai became crazy. Bye bye.

4. 15 pm Kinnaree. Many customer inside but not crowded like a buffet day (that I avoid), many men are there only for drink and monopolize the girls for a long chatting. I sipping my drink and refuse some ladies. Many girls there, some looking very good and sexy. At the end I decide to go with Wan, young 25 yo girl from a small village near Laos border. She have nice body and very cute. I asked for the room but she said have to wait because are full. This is so strange, is already 1 HR I sit here and looking around, and I saw only 2-3 men go in the room for ST, so how is possible the room are full? I thin they do this for try to charge more in drink and LD. After 10 min the room was magically available. Ahahahah.

Good perfomance in the room, shower together with a BBBJ, then we move on sof for some action, and she let me try to fuck her ass without tip but she can take only half. Finish with CIM. 1. 000 + 350.

I come back in the lounge room and sit on sof, after some minutes 2 girls come to sit next to me. They offer me a 3 some, I ask for anal and one of them say she can do it but she want 2. 000 + room, OMG is incredible they think to be a superstar or top model for asking this crazy price. No way![/QUOTE]It is "low season" - they raise the price to make up for the lack of clients. (and it is TRUTH. NO JOKE. Ti's the Thai way.).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1733207]I live in Pattaya so things may play a little different for me. I have my fun in the day time by hanging out with friends doing different activities. I am not a bar guy and I don't pay bar fines. I have about 25 bottles of liquor at my place if I want to drink. If I go out at night then it is not to party and have a good time. It is to find a chick to bring back home at 1000 baht LT.

A lot of the girls in the discos already know me and I don't want my business in the street. I tend to play the background then when I see something I want I strike like a cobra and I'm out of there quickly. The girls are there for money and I have no illusions about that. I prefer to cut to the chase instead of pussyfooting around. I save that type of behavior for women who are not hookers.[/QUOTE]I like your approach. Anyone know if these bars get going early. I have a good thing going with a live in and would need to be done a ST by midnight.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1733630]I'm not very expert about the meaning of this numbering system, but 7-8 out of 10 doesn't sound like something you'd find much in Pattaya, even in a go-go. I think most fans of Beach Road care mostly about service and price, and are quite flexible on appearance.[/QUOTE]I saw some 9's and 10's at the agogos.

To me a 9 or 10 is near model quality beautiful and tight.

You must have a very high standard!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1734102]I saw some 9's and 10's at the agogos.

To me a 9 or 10 is near model quality beautiful and tight.

You must have a very high standard![/QUOTE]I don't think that's a high standard, it's just that people who have been in Thailand for long develop an eye for what's average, and what's actually beautiful (and by definition, uncommon).

For reference, take the office girls you see on Bangkok Skytrain during rush hour (20-40 age group), and calibrate so that the average among them is 6-7, with a some number of 8-9 and a rare 10. By this standard, it is rare that I see anyone in Pattaya approaching a 7. Add to that that usually crude and hardened look with tattoos and all (much more pronounced in recent years, not many girls are fresh off the farm), and take off another point or two.

Whenever I go from Pattaya to back to Bangkok and walk among civilian girls (say, at Victory Monument where vans disembark), I am in shock at how awful the Farang oriented nightlife workers look. Fortunately, we do recalibrate fairly quickly when surrounded by available women and aroused, so I might a Pattaya 5 passable (after a few hours of looking at the 3-5 range with a rare 6), although I'd not bother even glancing at her on the Bangkok Skytrain.

Of course, if you compare to an average heifer from USA Midwest or similar places, an ordinary or even frumpy Thai woman of relevant age will be an instant 9 or 10.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1734143]I don't think that's a high standard, it's just that people who have been in Thailand for long develop an eye for what's average, and what's actually beautiful (and by definition, uncommon).

For reference, take the office girls you see on Bangkok Skytrain during rush hour (20-40 age group), and calibrate so that the average among them is 6-7, with a some number of 8-9 and a rare 10. By this standard, it is rare that I see anyone in Pattaya approaching a 7. Add to that that usually crude and hardened look with tattoos and all (much more pronounced in recent years, not many girls are fresh off the farm), and take off another point or two.

Whenever I go from Pattaya to back to Bangkok and walk among civilian girls (say, at Victory Monument where vans disembark), I am in shock at how awful the Farang oriented nightlife workers look. Fortunately, we do recalibrate fairly quickly when surrounded by available women and aroused, so I might a Pattaya 5 passable (after a few hours of looking at the 3-5 range with a rare 6), although I'd not bother even glancing at her on the Bangkok Skytrain.

Of course, if you compare to an average heifer from USA Midwest or similar places, an ordinary or even frumpy Thai woman of relevant age will be an instant 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]As the saying goes: I never took back an ugly girl, but I happened to awake next to one from time to time.

Once most of the women average under 7 in looks I start looking for a new country to visit.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1734742]Once most of the women average under 7 in looks I start looking for a new country to visit.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's just me but I still see a lot of hot looking women here without girth like in the US.

Been coming to LOS for 15 years. There seems to be an upsurge in LE presence in PATTS along beach road. Many girls complain about being rounded up and taken to the Monkee House on SOI 9 and having to pay a fine of 500 BAHT.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1734742]Once most of the women average under 7 in looks I start looking for a new country to visit.[/QUOTE]I care less about the looks of the average women, and more about the looks of the woman I choose to spend time with.

And while we are on P4 P number rankings; I believe when it comes to a good session that attitude is twice as important as looks. Mathematically it works something like this:

Looks 10 / Attitude 7: ((10*1)+(7*2))/3 = 8 overall.

Looks 7 / Attitude 10: ((7*1)+(10*2))/3 = 9 overall.

SunLover.

I like your logic. Matches mine.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1734813]I care less about the looks of the average women, and more about the looks of the woman I choose to spend time with.

And while we are on P4 P number rankings; I believe when it comes to a good session that attitude is twice as important as looks. Mathematically it works something like this:

Looks 10 / Attitude 7: ((10*1)+(7*2))/3 = 8 overall.

Looks 7 / Attitude 10: ((7*1)+(10*2))/3 = 9 overall.

SunLover.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZDavolos;1734797]Been coming to LOS for 15 years. There seems to be an upsurge in LE presence in PATTS along beach road. [/QUOTE]What is the goal here? To kill tourism dollars?

Do tourists ever get charged for picking up FL's or club busts?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1735008]What is the goal here? To kill tourism dollars?

Do tourists ever get charged for picking up FL's or club busts?[/QUOTE]Never known any tourist to get busted for picking up girls. Unless the girl is underaged.

Have known them to be detained, checked for drugs and then released if clean.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1735008]What is the goal here? To kill tourism dollars?

Do tourists ever get charged for picking up FL's or club busts?[/QUOTE]It appears that the tum ruat are trying to make Pattaya more "family friendly".

Of course, with the "scheduled and pretty much announced "patrols", all they are managing to do is to make the ladies cross the road until after they pass by.

What they HAVE managed to do is to drive the "ordinary girls" (just in for some extra money) off beach road for fear they will be listed on a tum ruat record as a hooker.

as to picking up a jail bait (as in UNDER !8) girl, check their ID - they have to be 18 to get the national ID card. And, of course, it helps IF you can ARN PASA THAI. (READ THAI LANGUAGE)

[QUOTE=ZDavolos;1734797]Been coming to LOS for 15 years. There seems to be an upsurge in LE presence in PATTS along beach road. Many girls complain about being rounded up and taken to the Monkee House on SOI 9 and having to pay a fine of 500 BAHT.[/QUOTE]That's why they like to be talking to someone when the tum ruat dragnet passes by. Also, the tum ruat only works the BEACH side of the road. The word goes out about 100 meters or so before they get there.

THERE IS NEVER ANY ACTION TAKEN AGAINST GUYS ON BEACH ROAD unless you are stoned or disorderly (that's MY observation, anyway).

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1731124]Thanks for the info! I think I will try to check out these G-Clubs next time I am in patts. There is not a lot of info on them and this definitely helps.

I checked out their facebook page. Did you happen to see any of these ladies when you were there? I am just trying to get some sense of the quality of the girls. I think some of the ladies in the photo are very cute.

Thanks again for an informative report!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]V.

I went to 007 today around five. Was a sausage fest. Place seems to be popular. All the girls I saw had good bodies. Faces were 50/50 but not a problem for me. For just a blow is 800 bht.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1735664]V.

I went to 007 today around five. Was a sausage fest. [/QUOTE]I thought the same today when I drove my bike down to soi arunothai4. I saw alot of motorbike outside 007 around 6 pm.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1735008]Do tourists ever get charged for picking up FL's or club busts?[/QUOTE]No of course not! Why would they do that? Prostitition is not illegal in Thailand and unless the girl is less than 18 years old you are free to hire her.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1736454]No of course not! Why would they do that? Prostitition is not illegal in Thailand and unless the girl is less than 18 years old you are free to hire her.[/QUOTE]Not true. In fact, prostitution is illegal in LOS.

[QUOTE=AwesomeMan;1736471]Not true. In fact, prostitution is illegal in LOS.[/QUOTE]You may be awesome in many places, but your legal knowledge is far from it.

Please read the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, BE 2539 (1996) (you will find it at [URL]http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL]).

Prostitution as such is not illegal in Thailand, although any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht (Section 5 of the law).

Solicitation "in an open and shameless manner" is not allowed and causing a nuisance to the public is also forbidden.

So a girl who sits quietly in a bar and waits until she is approached by a man, acts fully within the law. Even a beach road hooker, who doesn't call you and isn't dressed in a "hooker" style outfit shouldn't have to worry.

Section 8 of the law deals with the prostitute's clients and only those who engage prostitutes below the age of 18 year old can be punished.

I went to listen to some hot chick singing at the Rolling Live 2, and watch some pretty naked ladies gyrating under my nose at the Happy go-go bar. Then I went for the real thing to Insomnia night club (the upstairs one).

I grabbed a beer and made my round. I notice a table with two chicks, a sure sign that they are open for business. One of them returns my stare and I engage the conversation. Turns out her name was June. I made a lame joke saying that last month I went with a girl named May. Anyway there was some rapid kino escalation. At some point I said let's go out. I made it clear I didn't want to take her out to my hotel for long time, I just wanted short time in a hotel on Walking Street. She asked how much I would pay her, and I said 1000. Clearly she wanted to negotiate it up, so I asked how much she wanted and she said 2000. She was really surprised when I said yes. Maybe I should have counter-offered 1500. I didn't care that much, and I knew I was going to fuck her a long time, so I didn't push hard on the price.

We went to Oasis in Soi Happy. She had never been there before. She was late 20's, great body, face not bad, but wonderful attitude. Very happy to be with me. We showered together sensually, and started slowly on the bed. It was really like picking up a non-professional chick at a night club. The sex was great. We kept kissing, fondling. She was very relaxed. I went down on her, which I don't usually do, but I figured she was worth making an exception. It was fully a girlfriend experience. I fell in love for 2 hours, and so did she. Afterwards she laid against me curled up in my arms, and slept a little while.

She commented impressively on my lasting power, whereas another girl might have asked if I had come yet. Afterwards I had to swat down some attempts to keep in touch, as I don't want any strings. We parted like ships passing in the night. She couldn't believe how old I was, she thought I was 15 years younger.

This is starting to be my favorite modus operandi, seducing a hot chick from the night club and basically forgetting there is any money involved.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1736713]I went to listen to some hot chick singing at the Rolling Live 2, and watch some pretty naked ladies gyrating under my nose at the Happy go-go bar. Then I went for the real thing to Insomnia night club (the upstairs one).

I grabbed a beer and made my round. I notice a table with two chicks, a sure sign that they are open for business. One of them returns my stare and I engage the conversation. Turns out her name was June. I made a lame joke saying that last month I went with a girl named May. Anyway there was some rapid kino escalation. At some point I said let's go out. I made it clear I didn't want to take her out to my hotel for long time, I just wanted short time in a hotel on Walking Street. She asked how much I would pay her, and I said 1000. Clearly she wanted to negotiate it up, so I asked how much she wanted and she said 2000. She was really surprised when I said yes. Maybe I should have counter-offered 1500. I didn't care that much, and I knew I was going to fuck her a long time, so I didn't push hard on the price.

We went to Oasis in Soi Happy. She had never been there before. She was late 20's, great body, face not bad, but wonderful attitude. Very happy to be with me. We showered together sensually, and started slowly on the bed. It was really like picking up a non-professional chick at a night club. The sex was great. We kept kissing, fondling. She was very relaxed...[/QUOTE]Agreed, I've always had the best time with freelancers, they are usually already pissed and partying and its basically the same as a good old school night club pick up back home. Had a few that have not bothered with money either too, once they see you are living here and could be some sort of BF or gik or whatever. Anyway, even with paying it still feels like you've 'scored', sort of, kind of. Still cheaper than a hot date in the west. Pussy is never free, ever.

Hey guys!

Reaching Pattaya on 28. There for two nights going solo for the first time. Any body who is also in Patts during the same time.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;1737008]Hey guys!

Reaching Pattaya on 28. There for two nights going solo for the first time. Any body who is also in Patts during the same time.[/QUOTE]I'll be there already and leaving on the 29th. Let's hang out.

[QUOTE=MrPerfectClean;1736754]... its basically the same as a good old school night club pick up back home.
... it still feels like you've 'scored', sort of, kind of.
... Pussy is never free, ever.[/QUOTE]Truer words have never been said!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1736611]You may be awesome in many places, but your legal knowledge is far from it.

Please read the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, BE 2539 (1996) (you will find it at [URL]http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL]).

Prostitution as such is not illegal in Thailand, although any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht (Section 5 of the law).

Solicitation "in an open and shameless manner" is not allowed and causing a nuisance to the public is also forbidden.

So a girl who sits quietly in a bar and waits until she is approached by a man, acts fully within the law. Even a beach road hooker, who doesn't call you and isn't dressed in a "hooker" style outfit shouldn't have to worry.

Section 8 of the law deals with the prostitute's clients and only those who engage prostitutes below the age of 18 year old can be punished.[/QUOTE]A very useful piece of information Wolvenvacht. The police or LE action is never directed towards the visiting tourist for engaging a WG in Thailand.

I had once got into trouble with a Taxi guy when I was traveling with a Thai hooker to my hotel. He was trying to charge double fare thinking I would pay up in front of the girl. He threatened to call the police stating that he will report prostitution etc. I did not bow down and stood my ground in the situation. In fact I called tourist police myself and reported about the matter.

This taxi guy immediately had a change of stand and did not even collect fare and fled away from the hotel porch. The police did call back from reception and assured that I was OK and matter sorted out. No mention of the WG or anything from the hotel or police.

I recently picked up a girl from one of the better known more expensive GoGo's and for her size and looks she looked old enough it was later after the deed was done she informed me she was 17 talk about beating a hasty retreat.

Now I knew she was young but certainly not illegal young I understood they had to be at least 20 to work a GoGo so a bit surprised that they allow it.

Beware!

I am older (58) so the 2 times 3 minutes boomboom a day don't fill me day / night.

On the streets I can see miniskirts and on the beach bikinis so why should I pay to see that in a bar?

So yes, I like to see full nude by just buying a beer.

All bars in soy LK-metro and other random sois of beach boulevard show maybe topless but no nude. Waste of time.

Most bars on walking street show completely dressed girls.

Only Peppermint has some (good! Topless and Baccara has some topples and if you have very good luck a minute nude show.

Only bar on Walking street with nude is Sugarbabes.

Quality of Nude Sugarbabes girls is however not so good, dancers are completely (miniskirt) dressed, only the matras and shower girls are nude and those banana girls are never pretty.

Then you hit in Walking street the Soi 15 sign.

There Babydolls has already nude dancers and matras and shower girls, but all of the "banana in pussy" quality.

But (in soy 15) Electric Blue is my favorite. On the left stage often full nude dancing pretty girls. Number 77 is my number one but 62 is also nice.

One Soi further just past Shark you go left and about 200 meter further is Windmill. My favorite number two.

Some dancers are full nude, some have way too short miniskirt and no panty and look good. Who this is also my favorite bar. Also because there are two mattresses and one shower with always nude but just sometimes nice girls.

If you don't like nude don't be angry to me but just go to Anny other bar.

If you like nude please give me tips where to find.

BTW I hate Thai girls.

They cannot speak good English (so nothing for long time), are jealous (never allow with more girls) and always just "money money money".

But for a little money you can see nude and for a little tip you can touch the flesh.

Further I hated in Pattaya (and Bangkok) the Koreans who just throw money (or balls) to the girls without asking the girls to do something. Like 4000 p in 2 minutes.

Give me than the pussy liking men at Windmill. Dirty but at least something to see.

Ronald

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1736713]This is starting to be my favorite modus operandi, seducing a hot chick from the night club and basically forgetting there is any money involved.[/QUOTE]Your use of the word "rapid kino escalation" and "seducing" is worrying. Sounds a bit like you think that you are "winning" their affection.

[QUOTE=Dg1980;1737988]Your use of the word "rapid kino escalation" and "seducing" is worrying. Sounds a bit like you think that you are "winning" their affection.[/QUOTE]Yes I got a laugh out of that as well. The fact he states that they both fell in love with each other for 2 hours and he walked away feeling he seduced her! The only thing she fell in love with was the 2 K baht over payment for ST.

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;1737922]

If you like nude please give me tips where to find.[/QUOTE]Super Baby agogo in Soi Diamonf. They have a naked girls in Jacuzzi and on the stage I saw some girls dancing with nightgown and no underpants.

Day 1.

BKK. May 31- Landed at 12 noon, had to exchange at airport $500 due Vasu closed for 2 days (Sunday and buddah day) Grabbed my pre-paid limo service to the hotel. Shit, shower and shave and off to Nana to have a look at the beer bars.

Sat at Morning / Night for 15 min and saw 2 early 30's friends working, Ping and Kay. I waive them both over we have 2 lady drinks and I feel them out, figuratively and physically. I decided to take both upstairs. 1500 each plus bar fine for ST. Grab a, I think 400 baht room. It was a little fuzzy due to 3 beers on an empty stomach. I pop a Cialis before we walk up to room. They both shower me up and make sure I am clean then BBBJ from each, I ask them to give me a mini lesbian show. They did an OK job but not sure if they were really that into each but they tried. I have then both BBBJ me again taking turns while I get Ping to orgasm using my hand and fingers. As she was "cumming" down off the high, I get a condom and grave her for mish and start to pound her. I was on a alcohol and Cialis fuel boner so I went for a LONG TIME. She O'd another time and gushed on the bed and tightened with a face cringe. NICE. She was new to the business from what she said and I could tell she was not a really pro by the way she kissed and was passionate.

Kay was the pro. I grab her and some lube and just started pounding the fuck out her. She was a pro moaning at the right places. Etc Kind of a turn off. Ping starts to kiss me and I blow in Kay a huge LOAD!

Shower and I was on my way. Back to Hotel and nap.

I wake at 10 pm and walk from my Hotel to Soi Cowboy (only 1 block) to Suzy wongs.

Get there for the show and see a few familiar faces but none that I wanted. So I drank water and waited for a friend to arrive. He was on a flight and landed at 11:15 pm was on the way when. Fuck, Buddah day strikes. The bar closes at 12 midnight and my friend and I are stuck on the street trying to find girls. We walk down by Soi 7/1 and see 4 friends eating at a steer vendor. We take a chance and talk them up. We find that Ying (5'5" spinner for me) and Nan (5"6" large enhanced breasts for friend) are very nice to talk to and pull the trigger. They are non-pros and we are glad that we took the chance.

We go back to hotel and open my vodka, play some cards for a few hours in friends room. Strip War is a fun and easy game. The girls loved it and before you knew it we were all naked. But shyness ruled for ying and she wanted to go back to my room and sleep. So we head back and I fuck the hell out of this spinner! BBBJ, Doggie, lazy doggie and the final was Asian CG. She cums a few times on top and next was my turn. Doggie again to watch that wonderful ASS and I blow on her back. Clean up sleep and pay her "leave" around 7 am.

Day 2.

Hit Breakfast to debrief with friend and go get massage at Lavana before pre-arranged service (Tanns Taxi) from hotel to Patts. After the 2 hour drive we arrive at hotel and get a nap. Friend fucked, literally, all night long and no sleep.

Buddha day (June 1) was odd. All bars and gogos closed but many girls on Beach road. We walk down to Beach road and Walking street at 6 pm. After walking and eating for a good couple of hour we decide it was time to find girls.

My guest for the night was Bo, a street girl ,28,1500 Baht LT and a spinner. Bo said she worked in BKK but was in town visiting a friend. Ummm. Sure. My friend and I play a few stripping games with Bo and his "date". We played a few games for about 2 hours and then both girls started to show signs of getting tired and drunk. So we slowed a bit and went back to our rooms. Normal stuff a few positions and I pop in the condom. After the sex all I here from her is. Blah. Blah my life is not good, Bad boyfriend. Blah. Rent to much. Can you take care of me. Blabiddy balh. Not much to report. Bo was a decent performer but a bit to much wanting to just fuck and then go to sleep in the A / see.

I cannot believe that you are surprised. What prism are you looking at this through? Take your western glasses off.

The Rock

[QUOTE=Markie123;1737791]I recently picked up a girl from one of the better known more expensive GoGo's and for her size and looks she looked old enough it was later after the deed was done she informed me she was 17 talk about beating a hasty retreat.

Now I knew she was young but certainly not illegal young I understood they had to be at least 20 to work a GoGo so a bit surprised that they allow it.

Beware![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;1737922]I am older (58) so the 2 times 3 minutes boomboom a day don't fill me day / night.

On the streets I can see miniskirts and on the beach bikinis so why should I pay to see that in a bar?

So yes, I like to see full nude by just buying a beer.

All bars in soy LK-metro and other random sois of beach boulevard show maybe topless but no nude. Waste of time.

Most bars on walking street show completely dressed girls.

Only Peppermint has some (good! Topless and Baccara has some topples and if you have very good luck a minute nude show.

Only bar on Walking street with nude is Sugarbabes.

Quality of Nude Sugarbabes girls is however not so good, dancers are completely (miniskirt) dressed, only the matras and shower girls are nude and those banana girls are never pretty.

Then you hit in Walking street the Soi 15 sign.

There Babydolls has already nude dancers and matras and shower girls, but all of the "banana in pussy" quality.

But (in soy 15) Electric Blue is my favorite. On the left stage often full nude dancing pretty girls. Number 77 is my number one but 62 is also nice.

One Soi further just past Shark you go left and about 200 meter further is Windmill. My favorite number two.

Some dancers are full nude, some have way too short miniskirt and no panty and look good. Who this is also my favorite bar. Also because there are two mattresses and one shower with always nude but just sometimes nice girls.

If you don't like nude don't be angry to me but just go to Anny other bar.

If you like nude please give me tips where to find.

BTW I hate Thai girls.

They cannot speak good English (so nothing for long time), are jealous (never allow with more girls) and always just "money money money".

But for a little money you can see nude and for a little tip you can touch the flesh.

Further I hated in Pattaya (and Bangkok) the Koreans who just throw money (or balls) to the girls without asking the girls to do something. Like 4000 p in 2 minutes.

Give me than the pussy liking men at Windmill. Dirty but at least something to see.

Ronald[/QUOTE]Hi Ronald. Sorry to hear you hate Thai girls. Could you please re write your report. I'm very interested in what you have to say but there is a problem with the English. Perhaps you were drunk at the time?

[QUOTE=Markie123;1737791]I recently picked up a girl from one of the better known more expensive GoGo's and for her size and looks she looked old enough it was later after the deed was done she informed me she was 17 talk about beating a hasty retreat.

Now I knew she was young but certainly not illegal young I understood they had to be at least 20 to work a GoGo so a bit surprised that they allow it.[/QUOTE]Was it a ST or LT session? Did you take her back to your hotel, or a ST hotel, or on premises? Did she offer fake ID at any time?

SL.

[QUOTE=Markie123;1737791]I recently picked up a girl from one of the better known more expensive GoGo's and for her size and looks she looked old enough it was later after the deed was done she informed me she was 17 talk about beating a hasty retreat.

Now I knew she was young but certainly not illegal young I understood they had to be at least 20 to work a GoGo so a bit surprised that they allow it.

Beware![/QUOTE]Markie123,

Commonsense should tell you nothing is what it seams in Thailand. If you commit a crime even if it was unintentional that involves you being thrown in a Thai hell hole and having them throw away the key. Don't talk about it on the internet. The internet is forever. With IP address and the age of no privacy. Smarten up.

Hooters is coming to Pattaya, right at Beach Road between soi 13 and 13/1. Another sign that Pattaya wants to become more of a 'family destination'.

For those unfamiliar with Hooters: you might think it's a coyote club but it's not. In Amsterdam, where I come from, it's called Teasers. It's a sports bar / restaurant, sort of. So the girls are cute & sexy but not available.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1738419]Hi Ronald. Sorry to hear you hate Thai girls. Could you please re write your report. I'm very interested in what you have to say but there is a problem with the English. Perhaps you were drunk at the time?[/QUOTE]Nudity, you will find is illegal in Thailand, only in very discreet clubs you might find it normally. And who would tell you on a public notice board, Mind you perhaps the law has changed?

[QUOTE=ColLaw;1739033]Nudity, you will find is illegal in Thailand, only in very discreet clubs you might find it normally. And who would tell you on a public notice board, Mind you perhaps the law has changed?[/QUOTE]It is not in discreet clubs. It is in clubs that pay the police more. In the club that my girlfriend works in there are 3 tiers of dancers. There are the ones with bikinis. I am not sure how much they get paid. There are girls who take their tops off. They get a salary of 20K/month. And there are those that take the top and bottom off. They get a salary of 25K/month. I had no idea until I was in there with Chris Long and noticed that an Indian brother was upset because he couldn't get his girl to take her bikini off. I asked my girl about it and she said that the girl's salary does not warrant that.

Day 3.

The following morning I kept snuggling up to Bo with a huge boner and thinking "OK, one last pop before she hits the road". I was behind her lazy doggie and about to enter when she rolled back to cock block! WTF. This was about 7 am. I try again at 7:30. Same result. So at that moment I decide to just get up and place her money in her purse and start getting ready for Breakfast with my friend. After my show I come back for one last try. I start kissing and playing playfully. Same result. I tell her it is time to get up for breakfast and she just says "you go, I too tired". After I stared at her for a moment giving her a bit of a puzzled look she rolls over and puts the covers over her head. So I say "OK, when I come back please be ready to go" . She grunts and pulls the covers higher.

I then go have breakfast and my buddy and I trade stories while his "date" gets food from the buffet. The Hotel. LK suites was a nice place to stay but a little far from everything that I wanted. Probably will find a closer hotel to Soi 6 or walking street next time. We finish up and plan our day with out either girl even though his date wanted to stay longer.

I head back up to the room and BO is still out! This is 10 am so I can understand being tired but if she would have fucked me one more time this morning then I would have let her stay longer but it was time to go. I walk into the bedroom and tap her on the shoulder and no response. Then I reach under the covers and rub her pussy and she rolls over. I grab the covers and rip them off the bed. "Time to get up. Have a good day". She gets up grumbling something in Thai and heads to the bath and showers. 5 min later she is walking out the door as my buddy is walking to my room. I give her a peck on the cheek and said "have a good day". She gives me a dirty look and I laugh. She walks away with an attitude. Well I guess that is why she was 1500 baht. Not a strong contender for fuck of the year.

The rest of the day was prepping for a room party that my buddy and I wanted to have. Getting alcohol, lining up food. Etc. In the afternoon we hit a few bars that were open. Only older girls though. After a day of walking, we grab the baht bus and hit Walking street after dark. We stopped in a few places Alcatraz was one I think and I cannot remember the other. The bar fines were 1000 baht and we both could not stomach the prices for that or the few girls that we talked to. We explained to them what we wanted and most agreed but the prices were from 3000-5000 baht LT so we bounced. Angel Witch turned out to be the last stop.

This place had a few lookers and my friend sees 2 girls that are playful with each other on stage. We both wanted to get a few girls back that knew each other and felt comfortable maybe with some lesbian action. So we pull Pet and Noki. Pet was a very pretty younger sister to Noki it turned out. Pet ,25, was very pretty with larger than average Thai breasts. Noki, as it also turned out, was 47 and had a great playful attitude. My friend wanted Pet and I got Noki. I was fine with that as Noki had an awesome body and in many respects it turned out to be better than Pet's, as I find out later.

We Bar fine for 700 baht and agree to 4000 LT but must stay for breakfast and boom boom 3-4 times. OK. We taxi it back to the hotel. The evening was playful and fun as we played some cards stripped and drank. About 2 am we hit our separate bedrooms and I fuck Noki for a good 30 minutes. Tight snatch, tight ass, tight everything. A few tattoos, which is usually a turn off but not too bad. I pull out the massage and start working over her pussy to "finish" her so I could enhance the experience for me. She finishes with eye rolling back in head. Multiple positions. Asian CG, CG, doggie was a sight to behold and she could work it! Mid way through the night I get a text from my buddy. He said "ready to swap?" he and I had discussed this in advance. So I throw on some clothes and we trade places. I hop into bed with a sleeping Pet and he with Noki. He immediately went to work with Noki apparently with out her realizing it was not me until after completion! Apparently she hopped out of the show after the deed was done and came back to the room and a said something was different and grabbed her phone to use as a flash light. She got animated and then laughed about it and went back to sleep.

As for me. I have no luck with Pet. I start to move in for the kill and she rolls over just a bit and cock blocks with out knowing it was me. Then I roll her my way move and again blockage. So I wait but I did not want to wait to long at the room was getting brighter due to the sun starting to rise. Finally she sees that it was me and not my buddy and her eyes go wide! She says "you not right" and continues to be a cold fish. So I go back to sleep and that was that.

Day 4.

This day was mostly getting party supplies and then having the party that evening. However I did get a massage on 13 , I think. Just a small place that had a stunner out front. She looked a lot like Vanessa Marcil. And just like Vanessa Marcil she had enhanced boobs. LOL. 60 min oil massage and on the flip the upgrade to boom boom. She was HOT and tight. OMG. Tightest girl this trip so far. I made her work with Asian CG and it was a beautiful sight. Then after 5 min she smiled and said switch. "are you tired" I said smiling back. She nods sheepishly and I lay her on her back with legs up and spread and enter her. We go for a good 10 minutes and I was pounding at the end after a slow build up. She starts to moan heavily at the end as I was bottoming out her short Thai pussy. I blow my load and get cleaned up and leave. 1400 Baht. I love this place.

We had Noki and Pet help us find 4 other girls to bring to our room later that night for more drinking, eating and fucking. As the night progressed my friend and I would pick one off from the group and go to the bedroom for Boom Boom. After we were done we would either give thumbs up or thumbs down to keep longer at the party. After a few hours we had it down to 3 girls. Nyam (spelling is wrong I am certain) was my choice for the night. She was sloppy drunk though at the end of the night but we fucked 4 times after going to my room to finish the night. She was a 10 on the horny scale and maybe a 6-7 on the beauty scale. She was a solid performer.

[QUOTE=RockHound74;1739134]
So we pull Pet and Noki. Pet was a very pretty younger sister to Noki it turned out. Pet ,25, was very pretty with larger than average Thai breasts. Noki, as it also turned out, was 47 and had a great playful attitude. [/QUOTE]Are you sure they were sisters and not mother and daughter? 25 and 47 yo?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1739413]Are you sure they were sisters and not mother and daughter? 25 and 47 yo?[/QUOTE]Let's not forget that in Pattaya 90% of the time sister means friend and not blood relative.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1739069]there are 3 tiers of dancers. There are the ones with bikinis. I am not sure how much they get paid. There are girls who take their tops off. They get a salary of 20K/month. And there are those that take the top and bottom off. They get a salary of 25K/month. I had no idea until I was in there with Chris Long and noticed that an Indian brother was upset because he couldn't get his girl to take her bikini off. I asked my girl about it and she said that the girl's salary does not warrant that.[/QUOTE]Interesting but if a girl noticed that a guy was interested wouldn't she do take off her bikini (assuming she has decent tits) to entice a guy to barfine her?

Also, I was under the impression that a gogo club was similar to a strip club where, if you buy the girl a lady drink, they would give you lap dances and you would see them naked then. Am I correct?

[QUOTE=RockHound74;1739134]

This day was mostly getting party supplies and then having the party that evening. However I did get a massage on 13 , I think. Just a small place that had a stunner out front. She looked a lot like Vanessa Marcil. And just like Vanessa Marcil she had enhanced boobs. LOL. 60 min oil massage and on the flip the upgrade to boom boom. She was HOT and tight. OMG. Tightest girl this trip so far. I made her work with Asian CG and it was a beautiful sight. Then after 5 min she smiled and said switch. "are you tired" I said smiling back. She nods sheepishly and I lay her on her back with legs up and spread and enter her. We go for a good 10 minutes and I was pounding at the end after a slow build up. She starts to moan heavily at the end as I was bottoming out her short Thai pussy. I blow my load and get cleaned up and leave. 1400 Baht. I love this place.[/QUOTE]If you go back can you get the name of the place? Definitely interested in seeing a Thai girl who looks even vaguely similar to Vanessa Marcil.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1739522]
Also, I was under the impression that a gogo club was similar to a strip club where, if you buy the girl a lady drink, they would give you lap dances and you would see them naked then. Am I correct?
[/QUOTE]Quick answer, no.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1739522]Interesting but if a girl noticed that a guy was interested wouldn't she do take off her bikini (assuming she has decent tits) to entice a guy to barfine her?

Also, I was under the impression that a gogo club was similar to a strip club where, if you buy the girl a lady drink, they would give you lap dances and you would see them naked then. Am I correct?

If you go back can you get the name of the place? Definitely interested in seeing a Thai girl who looks even vaguely similar to Vanessa Marcil.[/QUOTE]Girls have a much easier time getting a barfine if they wear clothes. Very few girls look good naked!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1739522]Interesting but if a girl noticed that a guy was interested wouldn't she do take off her bikini (assuming she has decent tits) to entice a guy to barfine her?

Also, I was under the impression that a gogo club was similar to a strip club where, if you buy the girl a lady drink, they would give you lap dances and you would see them naked then. Am I correct?
[/QUOTE]Some agogo clubs have nude dancers, some don't. Paying a girl a ladydrink doesn't mean she will strip for you. She will come and sit with you and talk. Some allow you to "sample" their wares a bit, but again that is not guaranteed everywhere.

The whole idea of an agogo club is to present you with ladies to choose, barfine and take home.

LOL. Did see pictures of the whole damn family and of Mom and dad. Noki was the oldest of 8 and Pet was the youngest. If I could meet a 47 year old in the states as fit as Noki and as fun then I would never have to go to Thailand!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1739413]Are you sure they were sisters and not mother and daughter? 25 and 47 yo?[/QUOTE]

Day 5.

Left Patts at 10 am with the cute girl from Tans great and prompt taxi service. Back to BKK and our hotel at 12 noon.

Day mission was. Exchange money, eat, find girl that wants to make a private movie and then Go-Go.

Did the first one then headed to Morning Night to find a girl to do I movie with my buddy. Ping and Kay were there and immediately approached. I stated what we were looking for and they declined. But after only being in the bar for like 15 minutes another young girl approached my buddy and they hash out a deal. 5000 Baht for private movie. So we head back and I was roped into being camera man. I could have joined in but this girl was a little to star fishy for me. After an hour we "wrap" and cut her loose.

Off to eat and then go go bar. We hit Suzie Wongs, my buddies fav, for what we thought was the 8 pm show. Bunnie the mama that knows us said "No show at 8 pm anymore". So was stay to look at about 12 girls on stage in rotation for a few hours, buy a few drinks and watch the 10 pm show. I did not see anything that I wanted to take back. My buddy and I sometimes have different tastes but in this case we both commented on a server. The server, Ge, who is 30 and probably a 9 on the scale. I forgot that servers can be bar fined. I would have snatched her up as well but he beat me to it but turns out later I would get my chance. She was just so cute in the face. He grabs her for ST, I leave empty handed and I was running on empty so at 11 pm I go back to hotel and say good night.

Day 6.

Today my buddy has a friend that will be visiting him. She is a former Bar Girl that got a sponsor and now is married.

My buddy gets Nok to come over at 12 noon with a friend. Her friend, Nat (pictured), was for me. Easily a 8-9 with nice natural be cups, a very thin but athletic frame and just a beautiful model type face. How considerate. Nok was easily a 9 with a very small frame and perfect body with the cutest face you will ever see. So we go to Central World to shop for a dress and bikinis for the evening and afternoon activities. After walking around for a few hours and getting those items we head back to our Hotel for swimming. The girls looked gorgeous in them but did not want their picture taken. It was understandable since one was "married". I suspected both were taken.

After a few hours we head to the room and to let the girls prepare for dinner. We have dinner and go to Hillary 2 for live music and drinking. The key here was to get Nat and Nok drunk and anything could happen. They meet up with a few friends there and we stay for an hour or so. All of the girls were drunk and we decided to go to Levels. Both are cool places to listen and dance.

Long story short. Nat ends up coming back to hotel with Nok, my buddy and me. Nok is so drunk that she pukes as soon as she is in my buddy's room. So you can see this is not going to go well. Nat is drunk but could hold her liquor well but was very tired. She comes to my room and strips immediately, gets under the covers and falls asleep. I had kind of figure that this was not going to be the night I wanted earlier since the girls were getting TOO drunk. Oh well. It is what it is. This was 2 am.

4 am. I have a raging hard on so I roll over and snuggle up to Nat. I start to kiss her neck etc. She reaches around and starts to stroke my cock. She still seemed very out of it but after a few strokes she positions her self for lazy doggie and lefts her leg and guides me in. So I just move forward and starting with slow and deeper with each stroke. She grabs the pillow with both hands and I get faster. I was so frustrated from the day before and tonight that I blew in about 1 min on her ass. Key word "on" her ass. I was a gentleman and pulled out. She is not a professional fucker but she knew how to fuck.

7 am. She wakes to her phone. She looks at me and explains that she is heading to somewhere I cannot remember and really do not care. She says I want to make you happy. Kind of confused I said "OK but I want to make you happy as well". She grabs a very quick shower and hops into bed and snuggles as I start to caress and kiss down to her pussy. I lick and eat for at least 5 full minutes until she "finish". She pulls me up and starts to passionately kiss me and just grabbed mini me and slid it in. Mish in a nice tight, trim, hot Asian pussy is a wonderful thing. It is what keeps me coming back are unexpected experiences like this one. I was about to cum after 10 minutes on top and I let her know. She says "doggie?" Who am I to refuse that request. Flip her over and fuck the shit out of her deep. After 3 shaking leg orgasms I blow, again, ON her ass.

God I love Thailand!

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@12.930071[/URL], 100.885361,3 a,75 y,208.95 h,70.56 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 svuDGAxgjeRgzGZXf7 xOZLg!2 e0!7 i13312!8 i6656!6 m1!1 e1.

The Vanessa Marcil looking girl was at the above spot. Up to you massage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1739522]Interesting but if a girl noticed that a guy was interested wouldn't she do take off her bikini (assuming she has decent tits) to entice a guy to barfine her?

Also, I was under the impression that a gogo club was similar to a strip club where, if you buy the girl a lady drink, they would give you lap dances and you would see them naked then. Am I correct?

If you go back can you get the name of the place? Definitely interested in seeing a Thai girl who looks even vaguely similar to Vanessa Marcil.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1739908]Some agogo clubs have nude dancers, some don't. Paying a girl a ladydrink doesn't mean she will strip for you. She will come and sit with you and talk. Some allow you to "sample" their wares a bit, but again that is not guaranteed everywhere.

The whole idea of an agogo club is to present you with ladies to choose, barfine and take home.[/QUOTE]Thanks, this sounds reasonable. Maybe I'll carry a ton of 100 baht bills with me and offer girls tips for "get to know" dances. :)

My problem is I seek a lot of variety. I enjoy talking to many many girls then selecting the girls I feel I will have the most fun with. In a Germany FKK I will talk to 50+ girls and session with 4-5 girls daily. In a Las Vegas strip club I will talk to 100+ girls and try 10+ girls per night.

[QUOTE=RockHound74;1739957][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@12.930071[/URL], 100.885361,3 a,75 y,208.95 h,70.56 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 svuDGAxgjeRgzGZXf7 xOZLg!2 e0!7 i13312!8 i6656!6 m1!1 e1.

The Vanessa Marcil looking girl was at the above spot. Up to you massage.[/QUOTE]I can now see the link did not paste correctly.

Phatthayasaisong 11 Alley and Soi Buakhao beside Paradise Massage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740044]Thanks, this sounds reasonable. Maybe I'll carry a ton of 100 baht bills with me and offer girls tips for "get to know" dances. :)[/QUOTE]Still seems like you don't understand the gogo. They DON'T dance in front of you. They only sit to talk to you and may let you touch them. If there is any dancing to be done then they do it on the stage together with 20 other girls or on a side stage alone or with 1 other girl. Also not a good idea to pass out money like that unless you want to be known as the dumb foreigner.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1738994]Hooters is coming to Pattaya, right at Beach Road between soi 13 and 13/1. Another sign that Pattaya wants to become more of a 'family destination'.

For those unfamiliar with Hooters: you might think it's a coyote club but it's not. In Amsterdam, where I come from, it's called Teasers. It's a sports bar / restaurant, sort of. So the girls are cute & sexy but not available.[/QUOTE]There was a Hooters briefly in Bangkok, but HOA (Hooters of America) shut it down due to the girls going home with the customers. Hope this one stays.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740044]Thanks, this sounds reasonable. Maybe I'll carry a ton of 100 baht bills with me and offer girls tips for "get to know" dances. :)

My problem is I seek a lot of variety. I enjoy talking to many many girls then selecting the girls I feel I will have the most fun with. In a Germany FKK I will talk to 50+ girls and session with 4-5 girls daily. In a Las Vegas strip club I will talk to 100+ girls and try 10+ girls per night.[/QUOTE]No problem in doing that in Pats, lots of girls to talk to, but not too much to talk about. Unless you speak Thai, it will be challenging to communicate anything more than boom boom and the price for it.

Some clubs / girls will offer this as a special bonus. Like when I first went to the Telephone bar I did not know what to expect. I order a drink for myself and as is customary I ordered the girl who came and sat with me (I didn't mind. Not a broad selection anyways), the moment the drink arrived, she took off her top and her hand immediately went all over the places trying to get me interested in a session.

Similar to this are clubs where the girls remain topless say Windmills / Sugarbaby's will either remain topless or take it off as soon as you buy a drink. Some girls (in almost any Go-Go / bar) may give you a private dance (a lap dance if you will) where you are seated. But this is not customary and chances are that only 1 out of the 5 girls you meet will offer this without being asked in the hope that you will bar fine them.

Hello guys,

I have decided to go to Pattaya at the last min. For about a month,(sounded like a great plan at the time. LOL.). If anyone have a info on a short term 1 br nice apartment / condo near the nightlife,(since I have no idea where everything is) or a website, please let me know, and also If anyone would like to meet up and have for beers please send me a PM with your contract number.

Thanks

[QUOTE=MicCheck1212;1740312]Hello guys,

I have decided to go to Pattaya at the last min. For about a month,(sounded like a great plan at the time. LOL.). If anyone have a info on a short term 1 br nice apartment / condo near the nightlife,(since I have no idea where everything is) or a website, please let me know, and also If anyone would like to meet up and have for beers please send me a PM with your contract number.

Thanks[/QUOTE]The is a Pattaya Hotels forum on this message board: [URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].

But you might want to take a look at this: [URL]http://dancewatchers.com/vt6_x_18-659.html[/URL].

SunLover.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740044]Thanks, this sounds reasonable. Maybe I'll carry a ton of 100 baht bills with me and offer girls tips for "get to know" dances. :)

My problem is I seek a lot of variety. I enjoy talking to many many girls then selecting the girls I feel I will have the most fun with. In a Germany FKK I will talk to 50+ girls and session with 4-5 girls daily. In a Las Vegas strip club I will talk to 100+ girls and try 10+ girls per night.[/QUOTE]BKK is not like Vegas from that Point of view.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1740472]BKK is not like Vegas from that Point of view.[/QUOTE]We are well off the topic of Patts, but because of comments from previous posters (I've seen them in various ISG forums), BionicMan is absolutely correct, and it's important to post a warning to others who think they're going to get any kind of premium pay-for-nookie in the States. Ain't going to happen, and no hot chicks in a Vegas Strip club are going to go home with you (unless you're willing to pay THOUSANDS of dollars, I'd guess).

LE hazards are high, unless you're a politician with $5,000 to spend on a pop (props to you, Client 9/ Eliot Spitzer, ya hypocritical ****, if you're reading this. Fair chance). Troll through the Chicago Tribune's website and you'll see what passes for a whoo-ah (we've had 'them in their 50's, including haggard Asian grandmas who couldn't have been passable even in their prime). No way in hell I'd participate in our sport here in Sex Prison USA Blech.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740044]In a Las Vegas strip club I will talk to 100+ girls and try 10+ girls per night.[/QUOTE]Really? WoW! The more posts you make, BB, the more certain I am you are never going to visit LOS. It is probably a good thing too because I don't think you can handle real Thai girls or the setup here. You are bound to screw it up, no pun intended.

Am I being too rough on our new little friend? Maybe, but he sure posts inquires like an adolescent boy.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1740511]Really? WoW! The more posts you make, BB, the more certain I am you are never going to visit LOS. It is probably a good thing too because I don't think you can handle real Thai girls or the setup here. You are bound to screw it up, no pun intended.

Am I being too rough on our new little friend? Maybe, but he sure posts inquires like an adolescent boy.[/QUOTE]Just put me on ignore, Natty. You were actually one of the very few guys on here I trusted for information. Not anymore. I will also stop asking questions and will not post about my upcoming 1 month trip. The board can thank you for that.

edit - actually I'll continue asking questions when I feel fit. Didn't realize asking questions was against the rules on ISG. Again, please put me on ignore Natty so you don't have to put up with my "adolescent boy" questions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1740112]Still seems like you don't understand the gogo. They DON'T dance in front of you. They only sit to talk to you and may let you touch them. If there is any dancing to be done then they do it on the stage together with 20 other girls or on a side stage alone or with 1 other girl. Also not a good idea to pass out money like that unless you want to be known as the dumb foreigner.[/QUOTE]In Crazy House (Bangkok) they will dance in front of you or on your lap, for a tip or a drink. Its you and other ISGers who think the guys handing out 100 Baht notes are dumb. The girls don't mind it at all. They merely think the guy has plenty of money to waste, and they want a piece of the action. They respect the guy more than ones in some bars who buy a bucket of ping pong balls where 50% of the money goes to the house. There is no way in the world I would invest in ping pong balls. Girls like cash tips much better.

Nice looking girls will come to me automatically because I am not too stingy and they know it. My favourites can get a drink and maybe even a cash tip. They have to be quick since there is always a limit to how many girls I want, to entertain me close up.

Bottom line is the best girls will go to guys that treat them the best. 100 Baht is only 3.5 bucks. Some of us are employed and 3 bucks is very little. Far more value to the girl than to me.

Can't assume every bar customer is trying hard to hang on to every last Baht. BB is used to Europe etc. where prices are much higher.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740044] In a Las Vegas strip club I will talk to 100+ girls and try 10+ girls per night.[/QUOTE]A little late to the banter back and forth but can you clarify what "try 10+ girls per night" means? Lap dances or did you actually fuck them all? Also, which club....never been to one with 100 girls. :)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1740531]A little late to the banter back and forth but can you clarify what "try 10+ girls per night" means? Lap dances or did you actually fuck them all? Also, which club....never been to one with 100 girls. :)[/QUOTE]Ha Ha, obviously lap dances. He did not say fuck. In FKK he mentioned 4 to 5. That was his actual fucking limit.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740521]I will also stop asking questions and will not post about my upcoming 1 month trip.

edit - actually I'll continue asking questions when I feel fit. Again, please put me on ignore [/QUOTE]BB, ignore doesn't really work because board member replies are not included in the ignore. I usually just skim over posts made by BM's that I think are full of BS. But in your case, I will look forward to reading your trip report. I may have been too rough on you, maybe not. Patience is not one of my virtues, but you remind me of someone I used to know. Not a bad guy, just a little.... Well, forgetaboutit. I have said enough. Have a great trip. Use common sense and whatever else you have have going for you. Try to be flexible. And the most important thing: treat the girls nice. There is still a very good chance you will have a great time.

I realize my questions about Thailand are juvenile but how can they not be if I have never been there before. I will try refraining from asking more questions to not upset guys. Personally, I like to be helpful and have helped countless guys in their first trip to Germany and other parts of the world. I expected a bit of reciprocity asking a few questions about Thailand but I guess that doesn't sit well with some guys on here.

Not sure what pissed you off about my personality. I don't come on here boasting about my conquers like some guys. I don't bi-tch and complain like so many guys on ISG do. I don't come here bragging about being a cheap ass or overspending on girls. I believe in treating people well and being treated well back. I like to be factual and go with the flow no matter where I hobby.

Anyways guys, hopefully someone has some recent reports to post and let's move on from this conversation which is adding nothing to what this forum is supposed to be about.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740541]I realize my questions about Thailand are juvenile but how can they not be if I have never been there before. I will try refraining from asking more questions to not upset guys. Personally, I like to be helpful and have helped countless guys in their first trip to Germany and other parts of the world. I expected a bit of reciprocity asking a few questions about Thailand but I guess that doesn't sit well with some guys on here.

Not sure what pissed you off about my personality. I don't come on here boasting about my conquers like some guys. I don't bi-tch and complain like so many guys on ISG do. I don't come here bragging about being a cheap ass or overspending on girls. I believe in treating people well and being treated well back. I like to be factual and go with the flow no matter where I hobby.

Anyways guys, hopefully someone has some recent reports to post and let's move on from this conversation which is adding nothing to what this forum is supposed to be about.[/QUOTE]So just forget all the questions and go on your trip. You are bound to make all sorts of errors, and you can RTFF all you want, you will not be immune to rookie mistakes. Read a few posts on the hotel thread, make a booking and head off to the airport. Embrace the adventure and joy of discovery.

I look forward to reading your report.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1740541]I realize my questions about Thailand are juvenile but how can they not be if I have never been there before. [/QUOTE]Perhaps not everyone expressed it very well, but the general trend of our answers to you are that Thailand is in no way like the USA or even the German FKKs.

One does not "chat to 100+" girls in an agogo club here. For starters, I don't think there are much clubs that have that kind of number of girls.

Even having 10 or more girls in the same club sit with you will be difficult. It is just "not done" here and we want to avoid you getting very disappointed when you transplant your US-style to Thailand.

Usually (at least that is the way I work and it seems pretty common here) one goes to an agogo club (or bar) and first one looks a bit around and check the line-up. In most agogo clubs there will be different groups of dancers but 30 or 40 minutes of watching will make you see them about all and then you can make a mental list of your candidates.

Then when your fav is again on stage, try to catch her eye or ask the mamasan or serving girls to call her out for you. She'll come and sit with you if she is free. You pay her a ladydrink, interview her and if she passes the exam, negotiate price and services. That can take all of 15 minutes, the time for her to finish her drink. If she's not to your liking, smile, thank her for her time but don't buy her another drink. She'll catch the hint easily enough. You can perhaps repeat that with a second girl, but then you will have to leave and go elsewhere. The girls are quick to understand what happens and don't like to be picked, checked-out and rejected. That is a "loss of face" and in Asia that is a big thing. If they see you rejecting a few girls in a row, you will be "tainted". Better go out and try another club or bar.

You see, Thailand is more laid back than US or Europe. It is perfectly OK to do a pub crawl and joke around with the bargirls without intending to take them home. But you should only start serious interviews when you are already pretty sure you will take her "home" with you. Otherwise it is a waste of time for you and loss of face to her.

Don't forget, the agogo clubs and bars are mainly here to provide you with girls for short or long time sexual services. They are *not* here to look at the girls only. If that is your intention, far better to stay home and watch the internet.

Banana Boi, Chill. Your questions might, to some forum members appear juvenile, but they're not. I am no expert, but none of the others are, Pattaya is just what it is and little different, in many ways, than your more familiar FKK land. It's a bit of a lottery and it'll take you a couple of days to find your way around. I've been four times and reckon now that I am as expert as anyone because it's not really an exact science. Provided that you can just go with the flow you will have a good time. There'll be some frustrations and some great times so just enjoy it sir and let us know how you're doing. I had a recent trip and had very few poor experiences but I stuck to my usual haunts and it was, in general, great. I might concede that the 'good old days' have gone but as I wasn't there in those days I make do with what is now there. Soi 6 is a great, especially useful in the afternoon, for me where, there are many diamonds in the rough. I don't really expect much of Walking Street and go-gos in general but it can, with the right attitude be fun. Have a good time and I hope to hear from you soon.

Nice LOL [URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/201779/pattaya-discotheque-oral-sex-facebook-pictures-spark-outrage/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1740763]Nice LOL [URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/201779/pattaya-discotheque-oral-sex-facebook-pictures-spark-outrage/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I know a lot of dudes find it way cool, but here in LOS it is just plain idiotic. Not to get blown but to put it on fb. Thai public sentiment is very touchy about publicly acknowledging what goes on between a man and a woman. There will be no gain from this other than raids fines and closures.

Just remember what brought down Sophie the greatest ever BJ bar, mikado and Cyrcee (almost) in Phnom Penh, everybody knew about it but it was their names being mentioned on some internet fucksite that did them in. They boasted with the location and a month later they all were closed. Cyrcee reopened but is but a shade of the former self. Don't be stupid, please do not destroy what you enjoy.

PM to meet & hunt. Leaving next Tuesday morning 7/7.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1740798]I know a lot of dudes find it way cool, but here in LOS it is just plain idiotic. Not to get blown but to put it on fb. Thai public sentiment is very touchy about publicly acknowledging what goes on between a man and a woman. There will be no gain from this other than raids fines and closures.

Just remember what brought down Sophie the greatest ever BJ bar, mikado and Cyrcee (almost) in Phnom Penh, everybody knew about it but it was their names being mentioned on some internet fucksite that did them in. They boasted with the location and a month later they all were closed. Cyrcee reopened but is but a shade of the former self. Don't be stupid, please do not destroy what you enjoy.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the internet has opened the doors of our hobby to a group of people who don't have much sense.

[B]June 25 (Day 4: Thursday)...continued from BKK thread[/B]

[B]Social Media Yet Again![/B]

After 3 good days in BKK I had plans for another 3 great days in Pattaya. I had barely slept for 4 hours the previous night so I went back to sleep after Mina left at 9 am. Woke again by 12 noon and stepped out for lunch. I was in the mood for a good steak so I hopped over to El Gaucho at the corner of Terminal 21 and ordered a nice rib-eye, medium rare. Also got a Capirinha while waiting for my steak to arrive. I had called for a taxi from VR Taxi (thanks to the advice from some senior forum members) at 2 pm. He arrived on time and I was on my way.

Reached Pattaya at 4 pm thanks to the traffic while getting out of BKK. I was booked at Sunshine on Soi 8, top floor, residence wing, sea facing balcony. After I checked in I turned up WeChat & Badoo. After nearly an hour of shooting crap I zeroed in on Thik. 1500 THB for a massage + all extras. Plenty of LB. So navigation took a while.

She arrived and she was pretty as she looked in her pics. After a good oil massage for an hour, she started with a slow BBBJ. Near perfect ass and B cups. Flawless skin, pearly white teeth. A bit thick around the middle. From her moves I could tell this was going to be a great session. She took me near the line twice before cooling me off and starting over. Not a clock-watcher. I am mighty pleased! Then she asked me if wanted to do her with or without a condom. Pointless to take risks. Started in CG, moved to missionary & exploded in doggy after a thorough pounding from the rear. She then went and washed up. I paid her 1500 + 100 THB and she left with a smile. Overall 8/10. Nice start!

[B]Walking Street Simon[/B]

7:30 pm. I showered, cleared some emails and then stepped out by 9 pm for a bite. After some excellent street food at Soi 8, I took a baht-bus to Walking Street. The place was pretty empty, and the open bars at Simon were sparsely populated. So I walked over to Blue Sky 3, my favorite rock bar in PYX. Sipped a beer, enjoyed a few songs and killed an hour. Went back to Simon (at the start of WS) and sat down at Basilisk. Got myself a Black on the rocks and started conversation with a couple of lovelies. Thin crowd. Of the two, one seemed very energetic and eager to please. After a couple of LD & my own drinks, I decided to BF this girl, Keo. I looked at the time, 11.30 pm. Crikey! Time to go. BF 600 THB + 2500 THB LT. Not bad. As we headed out I asked Keo if she had eaten. She nodded and I did not push.

Back in the room, we showered together. She lathered me up and slowly stroked my tool. This girl knew how to make men happy! Not such a great rack but lovely skin, a warm smile and full lips. Average ass. On looks alone 7.5/10. In the sack Keo was a sex machine. We started with doggy and she could really move it. After some hard banging I changed positions and got her on top. The alcohol was delaying me. Moved into missionary and back to doggy again. Finished after a fairly long time but the girl was ready for more. As I lay spent, she continued to play with my pecker and got me turned on again in about 15 minutes. This time I lasted much less but Keo screamed and moaned and came twice. It was nearly 2.30 am. We slept off without bothering to clean up. Keo woke me at 9. 30 am and started snuggling up to me, kissing me all over. Round 2 started with a BBBJ and finished in Asian CG. Too lazy in the morning to do any serious exercise. With sex I would promote the rating to 8.5/10. Maybe I am generous. We then showered again together. I asked her if she was in any hurry. This girl had no such plans. She was happy to stay till late. But I had other plans. I gave her 2500 THB + 100 for tip and she left, not exactly smiling as she wanted to stay till later and get some lunch I guess. So much for Day 4. And Day 5 had begun already.

[B]June 26 (Day 5: Friday)[/B]

[B]Soi 6 Never disappoints![/B]

After Keo left by 11 am I went to the pool and relaxed for a couple of hours. Then headed out to Soi 6. Butterfly, Ruby & Lisa had the best looking girls in my opinion, so I first stopped at Ruby. 90 THB a beer, 120 THB LD. Found a cute chick, Aew. Spoke good English and held the universe between her tits. No wasting time. Room was 350 THB + 1000 THB for the girl. The room was tiny and the bed was quite worn out from all the pounding it had taken over the years.

I added to its misery by pounding Aew in missionary first. Stopped midway to get a nice BBBJ. With a new condom on, we went at it in missionary again, moved to doggy and finished up in a heap. On the whole 7/10.

Showered up, went down, paid and left. It was now nearly 3 pm and it was blazing hot outside. I walked to the beach, found a cozy shack and settled down with a beer. I got a foot massage from one of the several women prowling up and down the beach. Very relaxing. Another beer. More time killed. Finally got up at 6 pm and walked back to the hotel. Soi 8 was just about coming to life. As I walked back I met the Manager at Sailor Bar & Restaurant and exchanged notes about the general PYX scene. In all these years I have never heard anyone say "Yeah! Business is great! This time was no different. I shook my head and walked on.

[B]Walking Street Simon 2[/B]

Killed some more time at the hotel and finally by 7:30 pm I got out and headed to Walking Street again. This time walked up Beach Road scouting the FL talent. I have had quite a few over the years but there is always a risk attached. After reading some posts on the forum I have decided to play safe and go to bars. I walked all the way to Simon 2 at the far end of WS (opposite the newly opened Endorphin). Sat down at the first bar on the left and almost instantly made a connection with a PYT, Nim. I have not yet ordered my drink and Nim was already in "I Like You" mode. Trick or treat?

Turns out that Nim has a sister at the bar Oye. Very similar in looks and build. Nim was younger at 23 & Oye was 25. So 2 LD. My mind raced. Threesome? After 2 LD each, I asked them if they both want to join me for the night. They agreed but they wanted to speak to Mamasan. Mamasan Hoi turns up and asks me some basic questions about where I am from, where am I staying, how many times I come Pattaya, etc. I got her a LD too. The deal was made then. 1000 THB BF + 5000 THB for the girls. I did not bargain. The little head had started doing the math. Add to it the 3 Black on the rocks.

It was still fairly early. Only 9.45 pm. I asked the girls if they wanted to eat. Both jumped at the offer and started discussing what they should get? Finally we settled for some local fare in an alley. Looked like a garage, but the food was delicious. Damages of 350 THB for some fantastic spicy Thai food. It's astounding to watch a hungry Thai girl eat! Where does it all go?!

After dinner we headed back to the hotel. I had some booze in the room and the girls were game to drink whisky. Back in the room we fooled around with some card games and ended up stripping one another. And Nim got down to business while I was working on Oye. The entire session was surreal. Two mouths & tongues going up and down the cock, around the balls and over the head is about the most enjoyable experience one can have. I banged one pussy after another in 3 different positions and finally when I was ready to let go, Oye pulled off the condom let me CIM. This was quite new for me, as I have never had a WS girl do this before. Nim was 8/10 and Oye a worthy competitor at 7.5/10.

By now it was 1 am and the girls wanted to drink some more. I was on a holiday now, so I did not refuse. We drank some more till around 3. 30 am and then fell asleep. Nim was very affectionate as she hugged me and slept. Oye was comparatively aloof while sleeping. When we woke at 9 am I wanted another go at the girls but I think Oye was not in the mood for another romp. Nim was game so I pounded her while Oye sat on the sofa watching. I must say this was quite unnerving and I could not really enjoy myself. I finished after about 20 min without coming.

Oye wanted to leave, Nim wanted to stay. So I gave Oye 2500 THB + 100 tip and sent her on her way. The girls chattered in Thai for about 10 min and then Oye left. Nim stayed till 2 pm and we had another round, but then the law of diminishing marginal utility started setting in. I finished up, gave the girl the same 2500 + 100 and sent her off. She was very happy. A genuine smile. Lights up my day! Maybe I want to revise my rating for Nim to 8. 5/10. Would I do her again? Certainly! A threesome with Oye involved? Perhaps not!

[B]June 27 (Day 6: Saturday)[/B]

[B]Bar De La Poste Soi LengKee[/B]

After Nim left I decided to do some exploration. I had read about a certain Telephone Bar at Soi Batman, so I headed there by bike taxi. 100 THB poorer, I reached Telephone Bar but the line was dead. They had shut shop. The shop next door told me that the same management had opened another bar at Soi Lengkee. She even gave me a members' card that one can avail a free first drink with. Excellent.

Another bike taxi for 50 THB brings me to Bar De La Poste. A BJ Bar. Inside, in the dim lighting, the girls roam around topless. I get my free drink and check the talent. 2 girls approach. One was Vee & the other Nana. LD was 120 so I got them both a drink and got chatting. Simple rules. Play all you want with her body in the bar, but no fingering. A BJ comes for 500 THB. If you get the BJ on the sofa behind a curtain 300 THB is the fee. If you want a room for the same deed you pay 400 THB. To bang a girl costs 700 THB but you can do that only in the room. Package deal for a BJ + Sex = 1000 THB.

I thought I could spend a few hours here and do them both. I was reminded of the farmer who killed the goose that lay golden eggs. So after an hour of fooling around with both girls I took Nana behind the curtain. Now these girls specialize in the art of BJ, so you can imagine the experience I had. 800 THB all inclusive. I would highly recommend this place to all fellow mongers.

After the first round I sat for some more time and had another drink. The good thing about this bar is that the girls are not pushy for LD. After another hour I was tempted to take Vee upstairs but I decided against it. It was 6 pm and today was my last evening in PYX. I wanted to get some anal now.

[B]Devils Den[/B]

I headed back to the hotel and called David at Devil's Den. Safest place to get a good girl who will do exactly what her profile says. I chose a girl on the DD website and I was promised she would be over at the hotel in 2 hours. Suits me fine, as I had a 9 am flight the next morning, so I had to leave PYX by 6 am. Had to get some sleep too.

I had chosen Vanessa who does pretty much everything except deep throat. She arrived at 8 pm. I had booked her for 2 hours. 3000 THB. All prices are published on the website. Clean dealing.

And Vanessa gave me an absolutely fantastic time and completely wore me out. Thoroughly enjoyed myself. I guess the services of DD are well documented so I won't repeat. Deed done, I gave her the money and a 200 THB tip. Vanessa left and I decided to retire to bed and get a good night's sleep before heading out to BKK airport at 6 am.

And that brings the curtains down on my Thailand visit.

Thanks for reading.

Great bunch of reports Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading them. Quick three day fuck-athon. I hope you took pics for your collection, if not for sharing on the forum, the two sisters session (screw #1) deserved it. LOL.

I didn't know, but is Pattaya Tai soi 2 called soi Batman? It's sad to hear that Telephone Bar closed down, I quite liked the place, it was a very seedy BJ bar. Much to my taste. The good news seems to be that same management has opened a place much closer to where I like staying in Pats, will surely check it out when I am next in Pattaya.

Thanks so much for the reviews, Blanquiceleste. Some very witty commentary. I will definitely try out Bar De La Poste. Girls there seem to have a good attitude.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1741807]I didn't know, but is Pattaya Tai soi 2 called soi Batman? [/QUOTE]Yes, is called Soi Batman for the Batman Disco.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1741823] I will definitely try out Bar De La Poste. Girls there seem to have a good attitude.[/QUOTE]
A good choice for this kind of Bar:
- 007, soi arunothai 4.
- club4, soi arunothai 4.
- Excite club, soi xzyte.
- Le Carre Blanc, soi 33, third road (very low quality).
- Mclub soi 14, third road (pool party twice a month, Saturday afternoon).

Price are always similar. 300 b for the bar, 500 b for BBBJ, 1. 000 b for FS.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1741911]Yes, is called Soi Batman for the Batman Disco.[/QUOTE]How is the FL scene there?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1741954]How is the FL scene there?[/QUOTE]It was a Thai disco, open in 2000 and it was closed in 2003. For what I read on the web the place It was shut down by RTP because of numerous fights, stabbings, shootings and drug dealing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1741823]Thanks so much for the reviews, Blanquiceleste. Some very witty commentary. I will definitely try out Bar De La Poste. Girls there seem to have a good attitude.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. Yes, the girls are very good, attitude and body.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1741807]Great bunch of reports Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading them. Quick three day fuck-athon. I hope you took pics for your collection, if not for sharing on the forum, the two sisters session (screw #1) deserved it. LOL.

I didn't know, but is Pattaya Tai soi 2 called soi Batman? It's sad to hear that Telephone Bar closed down, I quite liked the place, it was a very seedy BJ bar. Much to my taste. The good news seems to be that same management has opened a place much closer to where I like staying in Pats, will surely check it out when I am next in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thanks Action! Yes Pattaya Tai Soi 2 is Batman, because of the Batman Disco. The place wears a beleaguered look now. You will love Bar De La Poste (BDLP). And Soi LengKee is easier to access.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1741915]A good choice for this kind of Bar:
- 007, soi arunothai 4.
- club4, soi arunothai 4.
- Excite club, soi xzyte.
- Le Carre Blanc, soi 33, third road (very low quality).
- Mclub soi 14, third road (pool party twice a month, Saturday afternoon).

Price are always similar. 300 b for the bar, 500 b for BBBJ, 1. 000 b for FS.[/QUOTE]I really like MClub for its laid back relaxed atmosphere. But I always thought of it more as a Gentlemen's Club than a BJ Bar.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1741807]Great bunch of reports Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading them. Quick three day fuck-athon. I hope you took pics for your collection, if not for sharing on the forum, the two sisters session (screw #1) deserved it. LOL.

I didn't know, but is Pattaya Tai soi 2 called soi Batman? It's sad to hear that Telephone Bar closed down, I quite liked the place, it was a very seedy BJ bar. Much to my taste. The good news seems to be that same management has opened a place much closer to where I like staying in Pats, will surely check it out when I am next in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Action, as much as I would like to, I did not get any pics. I carry a work phone and I have enough trouble keeping up with one handset. And the thought of pulling out a camera / handy cam just did not occur. Maybe next time.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1741969]Action, as much as I would like to, I did not get any pics. I carry a work phone and I have enough trouble keeping up with one handset. And the thought of pulling out a camera / handy cam just did not occur. Maybe next time.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Haha, if your work phone is a BB then there is no point pulling that out during the session. But if you use any other smartphone as your work phone (like I use iPhone to receive work e-mails), then it shouldn't be too much trouble to use for taking pics. However, some companies could be insane and know exactly what you are using your phone for, in that case do avoid taking any dirty pics.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1742249]Haha, if your work phone is a BB then there is no point pulling that out during the session. But if you use any other smartphone as your work phone (like I use iPhone to receive work e-mails), then it shouldn't be too much trouble to use for taking pics. However, some companies could be insane and know exactly what you are using your phone for, in that case do avoid taking any dirty pics.[/QUOTE]Action,

I would like to believe my company always has access to my phone's contents. The IT is headed up by a dragon lady, if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1741966]I really like MClub for its laid back relaxed atmosphere. But I always thought of it more as a Gentlemen's Club than a BJ Bar.[/QUOTE]Yes Mclub are more similar to G. Club like Kinnaree and others in Pratamnak and Jomtien.

Night 1 of 6.

Arrived at BKK around 10 pm with little traffic at immigration. Mr. T Taxi waiting in Arrival Lobby and got me to the Jasmine Hotel by 12. After a fast check in, I was at the ibar by 1230 AM to have some drinks with friends. Just mot the same without AMEX so I was off to Beach Road for some hunting. Dozens of girls available and few customers. Definitely a buyers market as far a selection but prices seem the same at 500 to 800 for FS and 800 to 1 K for A service. 3 rounds with 2 different girls was enough for the first night. I went to sleep after 7 am. Good first night.

Night 2.

I changed hotels to Noble Place 1 on 13/2 Soi Pizza Hut, because I like to shop on Beach Road. Woke up at noon to have lunch with a friend, then we saw a movie & back to my hotel for 3 hole service. Took a nap then woke up at midnight and found limited options but still managed to find a decent 3 hole provider, Pupe, that I had met on a previous trip. After we finished, I asked Pupe if she had a friend that could fuk ass and she said yes. We went back, found Ae, her fun friend, who was drinking on the beach and agreed to come. She and another girl wanted to drink so I bought a whiskey, soda, and ice for about 500 baht and went back to my room with 3 girls. 3 rounds of shots, then I gave Ae her backdoor service while the girls watched TV in my small hotel room. A couple more shots then I sent them away so I could sleep. That was a first for me. Went to sleep after 6 am. Such good times!

Night 3.

Woke up at 1 pm then got a massage at 3 pm from my regular at a shop close to the entrance on walking street but on Second Road. Only 200 baht but I tip 100 or 200 for great service. I treated myself to the First Class theatre at Central Festival. 700 baht gets you a 1 hour reception with cold towel, welcome soft drinks, and heavy appetizers and the outside private lounge then a huge power reclining seat with popcorn and soda or coffee drink in the theatre. Strongly recommended. After the movie, I walked back to my hotel looking for talent. Long story short, I found backdoor talent for 1 K but turned out disappointing with no finish and only 5 min of action so gave her only 500. About an hour later, I found another person I knew to be a performer so it was a good all backdoor session for 1 K. So good that I wanted another round but was declined. She said she had to meet her BF. Wtf? Talked to about another 15 girls but I was getting tired so I called a repeat for a 15 min BJ to fall asleep to. I paid her 700 first because I was going to sleep soon. She gave a BBBJ and fucked me till I fell asleep. No finish but relaxing. Don't know when I went to sleep but it was after dawn.

All good times. Enjoy my pictures. 3 more nights to go.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1742328]
Night 1 of 6.

Good first night.

Night 2.

Such good times!

Night 3.

All good times. Enjoy my pictures. 3 more nights to go.[/QUOTE]What a fuck-fest! Fantastic! Let the good times keep rolling. Stay safe & have fun.

Checked out Oasis short time hotel today. Located off Walking Street on Soi Happy A-GO-GO. I have only been to a couple other short time hotels but this place was 5* in comparison at same 500 b price point.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1742328]Night 1 of 6.

Arrived at BKK around 10 pm with little traffic at immigration. Mr. T Taxi waiting in Arrival Lobby and got me to the Jasmine Hotel by 12. After a fast check in, I was at the ibar by 1230 AM to have some drinks with friends. Just mot the same without AMEX so I was off to Beach Road for some hunting. Dozens of girls available and few customers. Definitely a buyers market as far a selection but prices seem the same at 500 to 800 for FS and 800 to 1 K for A service. 3 rounds with 2 different girls was enough for the first night. I went to sleep after 7 am. Good first night.

Night 2.

I changed hotels to Noble Place 1 on 13/2 Soi Pizza Hut, because I like to shop on Beach Road. Woke up at noon to have lunch with a friend, then we saw a movie & back to my hotel for 3 hole service. Took a nap then woke up at midnight and found limited options but still managed to find a decent 3 hole provider, Pupe, that I had met on a previous trip. After we finished, I asked Pupe if she had a friend that could fuk ass and she said yes. We went back, found Ae, her fun friend, who was drinking on the beach and agreed to come. She and another girl wanted to drink so I bought a whiskey, soda, and ice for about 500 baht and went back to my room with 3 girls. 3 rounds of shots, then I gave Ae her backdoor service while the girls watched TV in my small hotel room. A couple more shots then I sent them away so I could sleep. That was a first for me. Went to sleep after 6 am. Such good times!

Night 3.

Woke up at 1 pm then got a massage at 3 pm from my regular at a shop close to the entrance on walking street but on Second Road. Only 200 baht but I tip 100 or 200 for great service. I treated myself to the First Class theatre at Central Festival. 700 baht gets you a 1 hour reception with cold towel, welcome soft drinks, and heavy appetizers and the outside private lounge then a huge power reclining seat with popcorn and soda or coffee drink in the theatre. Strongly recommended. After the movie, I walked back to my hotel looking for talent. Long story short, I found backdoor talent for 1 K but turned out disappointing with no finish and only 5 min of action so gave her only 500. About an hour later, I found another person I knew to be a performer so it was a good all backdoor session for 1 K. So good that I wanted another round but was declined. She said she had to meet her BF. Wtf? Talked to about another 15 girls but I was getting tired so I called a repeat for a 15 min BJ to fall asleep to. I paid her 700 first because I was going to sleep soon. She gave a BBBJ and fucked me till I fell asleep. No finish but relaxing. Don't know when I went to sleep but it was after dawn.

All good times. Enjoy my pictures. 3 more nights to go.[/QUOTE]It seems both holes could be uses freely for fun.

Good luck.

Lunch with a female friend, a nap, an hour Thai massage, then dinner with a different female friend was the start to Night 4 of 6.

I met with a FL provider that I had seen before at 10 pm who found a girl that was also a three holer. She wanted 1500 each for lez show & 6 hole action (2 x 3 holers). I have done the 2 girl thing three times before and it was never that good. It was always more like 2 courses than 1 big plate but I figured the lez show with double header BBBJ would be fun. A few beers and a pack of smokes for the girls raised the price a few hundred baht to about 3300 baht so about $100 USD but no prob. It was over 2 hours of girl on girl action, a double header blow job, and double ass-pussy hole fucking but in the end it was just good. Just 1 girls at a time is enough fun for me. We started about 10 pm and the girls left just after 1 am.

Fortunately, I found this spinner that I met last night just minutes after getting to Beach Road. She asked for 1200ST A-service with CIM. I was tired and didn't want to haggle or shop more so I agreed. She was only 27 but with a big stretched out pussy. After some pussy fucking, I was easily able to slide 4 fingers in to almost to my knuckles. Ass was good but she was a squirmer. Didn't make it to CIM, just shot the side of her head but that wasn't too bad either. Getting tired. First early night for me, asleep by 4 am after only 2 sessions.

Pro tip. If the girl is asking more than you want to pay, try and lowball a few hundred and say, I will tip if service is good. (I didn't like her turning her head away at CIM.).

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1742663]Lunch with a female friend, a nap, an hour Thai massage, then dinner with a different female friend was the start to Night 4 of 6.

I met with a FL provider that I had seen before at 10 pm who found a girl that was also a three holer. She wanted 1500 each for lez show & 6 hole action (2 x 3 holers). I have done the 2 girl thing three times before and it was never that good. It was always more like 2 courses than 1 big plate but I figured the lez show with double header BBBJ would be fun. A few beers and a pack of smokes for the girls raised the price a few hundred baht to about 3300 baht so about $100 USD but no prob. It was over 2 hours of girl on girl action, a double header blow job, and double ass-pussy hole fucking but in the end it was just good. Just 1 girls at a time is enough fun for me. We started about 10 pm and the girls left just after 1 am.

Fortunately, I found this spinner that I met last night just minutes after getting to Beach Road. She asked for 1200ST A-service with CIM. I was tired and didn't want to haggle or shop more so I agreed. She was only 27 but with a big stretched out pussy. After some pussy fucking, I was easily able to slide 4 fingers in to almost to my knuckles. Ass was good but she was a squirmer. Didn't make it to CIM, just shot the side of her head but that wasn't too bad either. Getting tired. First early night for me, asleep by 4 am after only 2 sessions.

Pro tip. If the girl is asking more than you want to pay, try and lowball a few hundred and say, I will tip if service is good. (I didn't like her turning her head away at CIM.).[/QUOTE]Awesome buddy! Keep going and I love your report, it's almost like. A DIY guide or a dummy's guide to patts.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1742663]. Getting tired. First early night for me, asleep by 4 am after only 2 sessions.
[/QUOTE]Yes my friend, you are really "slowing down". Only a 3 hour threesome and anal session to show for the night. Next stop for you is the retirement home. 555.

Seriously, just reading that post tired me out. You are a marathon man!

Keep up the great work. I am really enjoying your posts. I'll be there in less than a month myself.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle v.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1742774]Yes my friend, you are really "slowing down". Only a 3 hour threesome and anal session to show for the night. Next stop for you is the retirement home. 555.

Seriously, just reading that post tired me out. You are a marathon man!

Keep up the great work. I am really enjoying your posts. I'll be there in less than a month myself.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle v.[/QUOTE]And another 2 more days to go. Holds plenty of promise. Day 4 of 6 from Sushi was a real interesting read. Love it.

Started with a simple lunch at Kiss restaurant behind Mike Shopping Mall on Second Road. Then a short nap and off to my regular place for a massage. I was very tired so I got a microwave snack from 7-11 before taking a second nap. I headed heading out to Soi 6 around 7 pm. I look for a bunch of balloons because that indicates that it's someone's birthday and the girls are always happier & there is usually some primo roast pork. No special girls nor birthday party last night so I walked the 2. 5 km to Walking Street to see the talent on the road. Pretty dead between Soi 6 to the Hilton but many girls between Hilton & Walking Street.

I saw a few girls that I had seen before but I wanted to see the show at Angelwitch so I told then that I would be back. Turns out that the show is at 10 pm with buy 1 get 1 free drinks before 10 pm. It was only 840 so I went over a couple blocks for great live music at Blue Sky. SangSom & Red Bull are 120 Baht, about $4. The place was dead with only about 10 customers so there was more staff than customers. Good service but now they are overly attentive and a little pushy for drinks so I had 3 in just over an hour plus 100 baht tip for the band. Yes, I know it is not cost effective but I liked the female singer. I got to Anglewich just before 10 and ordered a SangSom & coke. I usually don't like bathroom attendants but this guy was super nice. Great 2 minute shoulder rub & neck crack so I tipped 40 baht. I returned to 2 drinks because it was still Happy Hour so 2 Samgsong & cokes were only 130 Baht. Show was good but not great. Done in just over 1/2 hour, tipped a few girls & went back to Beach Rood to find some fun.

Found someone from my last trip because I recognized her leg tattoo. She said, I remember you, I know you like backside". Wow, I'm memorable months later? She asked 1. 5 K for short time, and I said no, 1 k, same as last time and she said ok. So if you ever want proof of a small, relatively young girl but with a stretched out pussy, see my pictures. The BEFORE first picture in doggy, she has big pussy & small asshole. Next AFTER pictures, they are about the same diameter! Maybe that's why I'm memorable. BTW, she can DRINK DRINK, so we did a few shots of SangSom before & after session. Always fun to drink at the almost free hotel room bar (stocked by 7-11).

Second girl in white shirt can be trouble or great. She is crazy jealous and wants you to see only her but has a BF herself. Price was 1 K I gave her 20+ minutes of straight to the A, backdoor action. Just a couple pussy pumps to feel a little variety. The funniest was hearing her say, "I hurt but I want you fuk my ass again tumollow". Always good times in Pattaya. I'm exhausted. Actually very glad that tomorrow is the last night. Enjoy the pictures and feel free to give any feedback.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1743161]Started with a simple lunch at Kiss restaurant behind Mike Shopping Mall on Second Road. Then a short nap and off to my regular place for a massage. I was very tired so I got a microwave snack from 7-11 before taking a second nap. I headed heading out to Soi 6 around 7 pm. I look for a bunch of balloons because that indicates that it's someone's birthday and the girls are always happier & there is usually some primo roast pork. No special girls nor birthday party last night so I walked the 2. 5 km to Walking Street to see the talent on the road. Pretty dead between Soi 6 to the Hilton but many girls between Hilton & Walking Street.

I tomorrow is the last night. Enjoy the pictures and feel free to give any feedback.[/QUOTE]Motivational stuff!! I am reaching for a 4 night trip in few days, can't really wait. Can some one explain how a lot of our forum mates have put up pictures with no condoms at all? My last trip all sessions were protected. Has the scene changed? What's the possible risk in BBBJ and BS?

Thanks in advance.

ATH.

Night 6 of 6 started with lunch with a friend at a local restaurant that had some great spicy seafood food soup. In the past, I only went to air conditioned restaurants or at restaurants at the mall but I encourage you to try a few local restaurants, especially if they have a picture menu. Lazy afternoon nap, so I didn't get moving to 6 pm. Packed early including 20 bottles of Red Bull Black to bring home and a 1 liter bottle of Blend 265 whiskey simply because its made by the Red Bull company.

I walked to Walking Street from Soi 13/2 aka Soi Pizza Hut to check out some live music & agogos. Great sounds coming from Rolling Stone club so I stayed 40 minutes and had a Red Bull for 90 baht +10 tip. Then off to the 10 pm show at Angelwitch, arriving at 950 to get 2 SangSom & cokes for 130 baht. I like the shows so I tip the girls. Mamasan saw this & put me on stage for a lap dance. The girl was young & fun. Though not expected, I tipped 100. Then walked to ibar but it was still early so not much happening. I went back to Angelwitch for the 11 pm show and had one more drink for 130 baht plus some tips for girls. I don't like the ping pong balls so I just hand out 20 baht notes directly in the girls hands.

I left Walking Street around 12 and walked along Beach Road to find talent. The squirmer from the other night saw me and wanted to take me again but I declined. Talked to a few more girls but I couldn't find what I was looking for, or rather they weren't willing to provide what I was looking for. A service. I quit hunting after about an hour and repeated. 1 K for 20 minutes of straight to the A service. I know, kinda disappointing but I really wasn't feeling it. I didn't even go out for a second round. I guess 14 sessions with 11 different girls in 6 nights is enough for me. I'm ready to go home.

I'm finishing my report at the Louis Tavern lounge at BKK. Great place to hang out for a few hours before your flight. Showers, hot & cold food, & self pour bar at 6 locations at BKK.

Recommended taxi BKK to/from Pattaya for 1000 baht each way - http://www.paradise-pattaya.com/taxi-to-pattaya.html

Recommended hotel just 1/2 block off middle of Walking Street with 24 hour reception for 700 baht per night thanks to AMEXSPG - [URL]http://www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com/booking/rezeasy.html[/URL].

Recommended hotel just 1/2 block off middle of Beach Road with NO NIGHT SECURITY / RECEPTION for 500 baht per night so you can bring as many girls as often as you want - [URL]http://www.pattayanobleplace.com/[/URL].

Highly Recommended First Class theatre at Central Festival Mall - [URL]http://www.centralfestival.co.th/en/[/URL].

Sorry just food pictures this time, Two fancy ones are the reception before movie at Central Festival, couple local food pics, couple pics at Louis Tavern lounge at BKK with food, drinks, & showers, free for Priority Pass holders.

[URL]http://www.dayrooms-ciplounges.com/cip-lounge1.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1743552]
Recommended hotel just 1/2 block off middle of Beach Road with NO NIGHT SECURITY / RECEPTION for 500 baht per night so you can bring as many girls as often as you want - [URL]http://www.pattayanobleplace.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Apparently they don't have security for their web site either. Both my anti virus software and my browser (Opera) are blocking it, saying it is a dangerous site.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1743618]Apparently they don't have security for their web site either. Both my anti virus software and my browser (Opera) are blocking it, saying it is a dangerous site.[/QUOTE]Looks ok to me - [URL]http://pattayanobleplace.com/index.php?lang=th[/URL].

Google the name of the hotel and it should work. To be safe, you can search the name of the hotel on a site like Agoda.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1743618]Apparently they don't have security for their web site either. Both my anti virus software and my browser (Opera) are blocking it, saying it is a dangerous site.[/QUOTE]It looks like a false positive to me, Mogwai. I had no problem accessing the hotel site: [URL]http://www.pattayanobleplace.com/[/URL] using Chrome with Vipre, my anti virus program and my computer is running fine.

Hi boys,

Just a few words to tell you I'm having a great time here in Pattaya hunting pussies on Beach road.

So far, I have had 2 girls a day for short time. Prices are between 500 & 1000 Thb.

There are plenty girls everywhere but customers seems to be rare those days.

I have been to Walking street several times and it's easy to walk thru due to lack of customers.

I'd be happy to meet any gent of ISG while I'm here (till the 13th).

Here some pics of some ladies.

Cheers!

First of all I'd like to thank everyone who's posted reports here. Keep them coming guys! I also to convey my appreciation to all the great guides that can be found online. Without them I would have been clueless in pussy-land.

I'm a Wasian guy (born in S Korea and adopted to a Scandinavian country). English is not my native language so I hope that you bear that in mind when it comes to my spelling in punctuation. Advice would be appreciated, complaints not so much.

I'm staying on Soi8, which so far seems perfect, with everything within easy reach. Planned budget, after hotel costs, is 6 k. Unfortunately there will be no pictures in my reports, my private cell phone just broke down and I won't want to use the company cell for this.

[U]Day 1:[/U]

Landed at BKK airport 7 am. Hopped on bus to Pattaya and arrived at hotel 10 am. My reservation was from 9-19 July, but I had changed some plans and arrived one day early. Hotel manager promptly changed my booking dates to 8-18 July great service!

[B]ST Soi 6: 1500, including beer & one LD[/B]

Since it was still early (noon) I decided to head straight for Soi 6 and find a BJ bar or two. Not a lot of girls around, except outside Full Moon Bar (I think it was). Found a pretty good looking girl and when she asked I decided on ST instead of BJ only. Turned out to be a very good choice, since her BJ skills where very poor (lots of teeth). She did have a nice body, a tight pussy and great energy. I finished in her mouth and she glares at me with her cheeks bulging, runs off to spit. "Why you come so much!" I guess that's what you get from three days build up.

[B]BJ Soi 6: 720, including mineral water[/B]

Strolling around on Soi 6 I decided that I did need a BJ as well. Found a decent looking girl calling to me from My Friend You bar, I decided to go for that. After resisting her attempts to take my upstairs for ST, we go to a small room on ground floor for the BJ. She almost immediately starts some nice deep throat action. But after only 5 minutes or so she starts complaining about me not having finished. This kinda annoys me so I decide to make her work for it. 20 minutes later I push my cock deep and blow my load in the back of her throat. After coughing and spitting she wants a tip, I decline. If she hadn't complained I would probably have finished in 10 minutes (instead of 25) and given her a tip for her nice deep throat action.

Back to hotel to sleep for a few hours, been up for 32 hours straight. After 3 hours of sleep and a couple of hours of relaxing I head out again.

[B]LT Soi 7: 5800 for two girls[/B]

Having read reviews I to try out Happiness Bar on Soi7, which is only a short walk from my hotel. Sure enough there are plenty of girls hanging around at the bar, a few with nice looks. When I enter I get called over to a table with Mama-san and 4 other girls. Only one of those have acceptable looks and I decide to get a drink for her and Mama-san.

My pick is really friendly and speaks English well, her name is Dae. Relaxing with my drink I suddenly get jumped from behind by a girl who wraps her arms around me and showers me with kisses. I turn around to look and a very short and pretty girl smiles at me. She is really enthusiastic so I decide to break my rule about only getting LDs for one girl at a time. Immediately she plants herself on my lap and puts my hand inside her panties!

At this time I start to worry about Dae, I've read about Thai bar girls and their jealousy. But she only smiles and tells me that she and Som are good friends and that they both want to go with me. When they offer LT with both of them for 5 k plus BF I didn't want to ruin the mood with haggling and never having had two girls at the same time before might have made me think with the wrong head.

Dae is probably in her mid 30's, but has a nice body without any stretch marks. Som is 27 and borderline chubby and unfortunately she had quite a few stretchmarks, but she made up for that with a really nice set of tits and an awesome personality. We go to my hotel for 3-way action. The girls are really friendly and we have a lot of fun drinking beer on the balcony while waiting for Aircon to do it's job. Som quickly becomes my favourite and she's all over me. I ask her about some A-action which she declines, but. . .

Bedtime fun start with BBBJ from Dae while I fondle and kiss Som. Dae gets on top and Som pesters me about getting her pussy eaten. I don't usually go down on working girls but she insists and I give in. Now I want some girl on girl action and ask them to give a show. They aren't too happy about that and after only a few minutes I call it off. BBBJ from Som and she immediately goes deep. Som rides me for a few minutes and I finish in Dae's mouth.

We head to Walking street, I'm hungry and Som wants to go dancing. Deciding on a seafood restaurant. Som wasn't hungry, she only ordered a drink and Dae ordered two small and cheap dishes. I decided on a small portion (3) of giant shrimps which cost 1400, the shrimps where overcooked and tasteless. The dishes Dae had ordered where really good though. Dinner was 2200 Bath, and that's with me and Dae only drinking water, grossly overpriced and a huge disappointment.

Next stop is Insomnia night club. Som pretty much proves my suspicion that she used to be gogo girl before she got her unfortunate stretch marks, that girl has some nice moves. One of the feature dancers is one of the hottest girls I ever seen. I think her body would have made Britney Spears jealous when her body was at it's best. Som has membership cards for a lot of night clubs, which was really nice because I could buy bottles at a discount. We stay at Insomnia for a couple of hours.

On the way back the girls persuade me to stop at Stones House, which features a decent Thai rock band. The girls go crazy when a bleached Korean boy band look-a-like takes the stage, even Dae who's been kinda quiet all night dances like she's obsessed. Drinks where overpriced though and the fat ugly serving woman pestered me until I agreed to buy snacks. Two beers plus one whiskey-coke 440 Bath and a tiny serving of Cashews (20 or so) for 95 Bath. These where billed separately and when I pocketed the 5 bath change from my Cashews it looked like the fat ugly old sow would throw a fit.

At around 2 o'clock we arrive back at the hotel where Som drinks more beer and dances to music videos on TV. We fool around a bit but no real action. I'm too tired and girls weren't really in the mood.

Next morning I wake up before 8 am. Som is up and in a cheerful mood, which was amazing considering how much she had drank the night before, Dae is out cold though. After breakfast we sleep for another couple of hours, before Som and I start to fool around a bit.

Dae wakes up, takes a shower and starts whining about wanting to go home. Since I'm pretty sure she would have stayed if I had held back a part of the 2500 LT fee I decided to let her go so I could have Som by herself. I figured she would agree to things that she wouldn't have if Dae had been with us. I did notice Som glance at Dae each time she turned down A-action.

Som and I shower together and prepare for some quality one on one time. I consider this part of day two, so you will have to wait for day two report before reading about what was a great experience.

[B]Day 1/10 summary[/B]

1 x ST: 1300

1 x BJ: 700

1 x LT: 5800 (2 girls).

Other: 6000

TOTAL: 14 k.

Way way over budget, but you only live ones And I did "plan" for some extra spending every now and then, but I can't go this crazy every day.

Maybe you guys want more or less details regarding prices, locations, girls and so on. Don't hesitate to give me advice about this, I want as many as possible to enjoy reading my reports.

[QUOTE=ColBog1;1743966]Hi boys,

Just a few words to tell you I'm having a great time here in Pattaya hunting pussies on Beach road.

So far, I have had 2 girls a day for short time. Prices are between 500 & 1000 Thb.

There are plenty girls everywhere but customers seems to be rare those days.

I have been to Walking street several times and it's easy to walk thru due to lack of customers.

I'd be happy to meet any gent of ISG while I'm here (till the 13th).

Here some pics of some ladies.

Cheers![/QUOTE]If you want us to join you post some photos of hot girls. Hahahaha.

Great report, keep them coming, I'm arriving next Friday, will be my first time in Pattaya.

Keep the info coming re the current prices, and places to go to.

Mark

[QUOTE=StarGazer101;1744773]First of all I'd like to thank everyone who's posted reports here. Keep them coming guys! I also to convey my appreciation to all the great guides that can be found online. Without them I would have been clueless in pussy-land.

I'm a Wasian guy (born in S Korea and adopted to a Scandinavian country). English is not my native language so I hope that you bear that in mind when it comes to my spelling in punctuation. Advice would be appreciated, complaints not so much.

[/QUOTE]Great first report! I really enjoyed reading it, as it brought back fond memories of my first Thai threesome. I will be in heavenly Patts in a few weeks.

You certainly started your trip with a bang! Good for you not being a cheap Charlie and deciding to do it big! Don't worry so much about overspending as you will probably slow down a bit from 4 girls a day. It looks like you enjoy Insomnia so you may want to consider turning it into your go to place. Pick ups form there are much more affordable and I think the quality of girls is very good.

I agree with the seafood joint on BR is a ripoff. For real great seafood at a reasonable price I really like J Daeng on Pattayasasong Rd (across the street form View Talay 6 Condos). They also have the giant shrimp but theirs are fresh and delicious and the price is fair.

Too bad about your phone and I understand your reluctance not to use the work phone. But you may think about investing in a cheap digital camera (it will only set you back about $100). I think you will look at this as a wise decision when you look back at the pics of the girls and the good times months or even years from now.

Is Happiness bar the GoGo that is mid -soi, on the right , just before the first stretch of open air bars as you walk down to BR? I've never actually gone in but now will definitely check it out next trip. You seen to have struck gold there.

Thanks again and Keep the great reports coming!

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=StarGazer101;1744773]

The girls are really friendly and we have a lot of fun drinking beer on the balcony while waiting for Aircon to do it's job. [/QUOTE]Nice FR stargazer, keep them coming. Sure will be interesting to read upon your experience in PYX.

By the above mentioned description any chance that you are staying at Sunshine hotel. I have had to adopt the same MO of drinking in the balcony till the room chills when I stay there.

Brought back memories from my April visit.

Been here a week, no action to report, no shortage of lady's, just had accommodation problems to sort out, had a few nice evenings out, in different beer bars & go gos, met an esteemed member from this board, and a chap from another. Back to the title of me post, I ventured to walking street tonight for the first time, again just browsing around, and then I see a huge flashing billboard advertising Magnum & Happy Garden, form those not familiar these are FKK clubs in Germany, but this was that last thing I expected to see on walking street. No idea how long it's been around, it is about 5 years since my last visit to Pattaya. If any ISG member are in town and would like to meet up for a drink please message, here for a good while.

Cheers & enjoy.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1744948]Is Happiness bar the GoGo that is mid -soi, on the right , just before the first stretch of open air bars as you walk down to BR?

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Happiness bar is actually a beer bar on Soi 7 . Was really relaxed with a lot of girls, even though it was early in the evening and low season.

Thanks for your informative review, SG. Looking forward to the other 9 days.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;1744993] then I see a huge flashing billboard advertising Magnum & Happy Garden, form those not familiar these are FKK clubs in Germany, but this was that last thing I expected to see on walking street. [/QUOTE]Obviously the signage isn't working, for PHG anyways. LOL.

[U]Day 2[/U]

[B]Morning after action with Som[/B]

Having sent her friend back early we get on to what was a really great experience. Usually I don't do foreplay with working girls, but I really liked Som so I wanted to give her a good time as well. We fondle and kiss a bit and then I start to finger her. With two fingers finding her g-spot and thumb on clit she starts to shake and shiver, and soon her whole body convulses and she silently gasps. She then just lies there with a grin on her face. But I'm not done yet. I lick her clit while again going for the g-spot she shortly comes again, after which she starts laughing hysterically. Relaxing a bit more on the bed with some easy fondling I figured, I might make this a triple for her. I quickly make her come with just my fingers again. Afterwords she looks like she's going to faint and her entire body is shiny from sweat (she didn't smell from it so it was great). "I can take no more, now it's your turn".

Now it's pretty much standard action, except that Som seems to be really really into it. Starting with a very enthusiastic BBBJ, she soon gets on top. We go for some doggy action and I figured now was the time to try for some anal. I pick up the quality lube I brought from home and start lubing up her ass, worrying that she might call it off. But she only spreads wider and asks me to be careful. After a couple of minutes of lubing her up I put one finger inside. It feels like it's in a vice, damn she's got a tight ass! Second finger goes in and she whimpers, but doesn't really move away. Time to make a go for it then, but she clamps up and I can't get inside. More lube, more fingering and finally I managed to push inside the tightest place my cock's ever been in. I start out slowly and she's alright with that, but when I push harder she gasps and asks me to be careful. Since I like this girl I don't want to make her hurt too much and go back to the slow, half-in action. After a couple of minutes she wants to ride me again. I tell her that she needs a new condom before switching from ass to pussy, I guess even working girls don't know it all. I soon pull out and finish in her mouth.

She goes off to spit and rinse then hangs around a while before showering and getting ready to leave. She wanted a tip, but I figured 2500 for LT was already high and I did let her pick all the venues for our bar hopping the night before. If anything Dae should have gotten less then her 2500, leaving early and not really participating in anything and Som should have gotten a bigger bite of the 5000 total.

If I decide to bring two girls another time I will:

A) Negotiate better.

B) Make sure that the girls are OK with proper girl on girl action.

C) If, after the initial 3 way it turns out that the girls won't do each other properly I will set it up for two separate one-on-one sessions. One girl before bedtime and one in the morning. I'm pretty sure I could have made that happen if handled correctly.

[B]Shopping and lunch at Big C mall[/B]

Going over budget a lot on day one I decided to take it easy on shopping heading straight for the discount area, picking up three T-shirt, one pair of short and a pair of swimming shorts for just under 1000. A nice lunch at one of the Thai style places inside the mall for only 110, a bargain. Not sure if you can find better if you want to eat inside in an AC area.

Back to hotel, just chilling for a few hours before heading out at 7-8 pm.

[B]Beer bar next to 2nd street[/B]

Trying to find my way on foot to LK metro and check out the opening of a new coyote bar Climax, I stop by a beer bar. One of the girls immediately starts chatting with me and wants to play 4-in-a-row. I agree and order a beer for myself. Mama-san and another girl is also with me and I have some fun making them guess where I'm from. Being a Wasian guy they never believe me when I tell them I'm Swedish, until I show a copy of my passport.

I get a drink for Fon, which is the friendliest girl there. After about 10 games the honors are even and she seems to really enjoy herself. She tells me she usually beats everyone easily and points to a few farangs in the bar and say "they never win". Not having played this game in over 20 years I'm now getting into it and I win 7 straight games, she starts to sulk a bit so I tell her that if she wins any of the next three games I'll buy her a drink. This doesn't happen, but I buy her another drink anyway. One more game which I let her win, didn't want to make her feel too bad.

Fon seems really into me, she touches my face a lot and constantly wants me to kiss her, and whenever another girl comes close she glares and sends them off with a smattering of Thai. She asks me to take her out, but unfortunately she's really chubby bordering on fat and I don't pay for fat chicks. Eventually she even offers to go with me for no payment, except the 300 BF. Being slightly tempted I decide to decline. She didn't turn me on and it wouldn't feel fair not to pay her, she's got to make a living after all.

[B]Climax Coyote bar on LK Metro[/B]

Having seen online that this joint would open it's doors today, I figured it would be worth checking out. The place is packed and the only seat available is a stool next to the stage, poor me! Quality of girls is very mixed, a couple of the dancers where really chubby with bad stretch marks. Only two or three stunner, which where taken of course. A good number of average looking chicks though.

After a while some girls ask me over to a table closer to the corner, where they sit around between their time on stage. Suddenly I have the hands of 3-4 girls all over me while another two grinding themselves against me. A really nice experience! None of the girls really does it for me and being a coyote bar it's no way to tell if a girl is available for BF or not, so I decide to move on. As I'm about to leave I spot a guy hiding shyly in a corner, I point this out to the girls and he reluctantly decides to take my vacant seat. Looking back as I leave the club he's all smiles from getting the same treatment as I did. Felt good to help out a fellow punter.

Just over 100 for a beer, money well spent. Not getting pestered for LDs or BF made it even better. Maybe that was only because it was opening night and things will change, if it stays like this is a nice place to visit for some laid back fun.

[B]Ladyboy scare on Soi6[/B]

Entering Soi6 from second street (the end where most BJ bars are located) I look around for talent. Nothing special at the BJ places so I keep walking. A stunner comes up and I decide to go with her to the inside area of the bar. Looking a bit closer I think I spot an adams apple, alert! I ask if she's a ladyboy, she says no. Still not conviced I order a beer and a drink for her. She asks if I want BJ and I tell her that I want to see her pussy first to be sure she's not a ladyboy. She pulls down her underwear about one inch to show some hair, but I can't see if there's a pussy and she refuses to uncross her legs. I'm now convinced that I'm dealing with a ladyboy. I make my final play and say "show pussy-BJ-pay". She counters with "pay-BJ-show pussy". I make a polite exit.

[B]ST Soi6: 1400[/B]

Walking to towards beach road looking around, I can't really see any talent. Then I reach Smokes & Kisses bar and OMG! There are around 10 girls standing around 5 of them easily hotter then 95% of the girls at the newly Climax coyote club I visited earlier. This bar was not on my list, since I read somewhere online it was turning into a ladyboy place. The "mama-san" is indeed a LD or rather a caricature of an over the hill cross dresser, no risk making a mistake there and there was one more really old LB sitting next to her but I'm pretty sure they where just friends. The girls all wear plaid miniskirts and bikini tops, so you get to see their bellies and as far as I could tell there wasn't a stretchmarks in sight. I quickly settle down with a stunner, who's called Rabbit. Rabbit is a really short girl, with a pretty face framed by bangs. She's got a great body.

We go for short time and after some decent BBBJ action she gets on top. Insane, she rides me like a maniac for 10-15 minutes. I even thought my pelvis would crack a couple of times. We do some missionary, before she tries to finish me off with her mouth. This doesn't work so we end with me sitting on top of her jerking off in her mouth. A really nice session.

I went back to this place on day 3 and will give you a detailed report on that visit later. The girls are really hot, but they all seem to turn dow: Anal, CIM, COF and rimming. If you can do without those things it is a great place.

[B]Windmill agogo on Soi Diamond: 900[/B]

Having read online that this place would have fully nude girls I decided to have a look. I was not disappointed. They had two places with nude girls performing with each other, one on the side of the main stage and one next to one of the bars. All seats around those places where taken so I decided to by the tub instead, a great choice.

One of the girls in the tub immediately asks me to help her wash. I get into it and after a couple of minutes feeling her up all over with my soapy hands I agree to get her a LD. Then a real stunner comes and plants herself on my lap, don't remember her name but she was 20 yo with a super nice body with firm B-cups (a solid 9, unless you require big'uns), face 7-8. LD for her, girl in tub glares a bit at us but I don't care. She's all over me and even lets me slide a finger inside her pussy right there in the bar.

And now things get real interesting! Two couples arrive and sit opposite me, also next to the tub. One couple looks European with a blond girl around 30. The other couple looks ME or NAfrican and look to be in their mid twenties. At the start they are all smiles but after a while I notice that the ME girl starts to look annoyed with her BF, who's head is spinning looking at all the nude action. She looks more and more pissed and I decide to wind her up a bit extra. I make my girl sit on me lap with her legs spread, which makes her pussy point straight at the angry GF on the other side. Each time she looks our way I spread my girls pussy, or slide a finger inside. Sure enough our "audience" looks more and more angry and disgusted. She soon starts pestering her BF about leaving and they take off with her shooting daggers with her eyes at me. LOL.

I keep ordering beers for myself and LDs for my girl and her pestering for ST action gets worse and worse, but I'm not willing pay 2000 plus 1000 BF for short time (only the really really hot feature dancing girl at Insomnia night club would be worth that much). She goes off to toilet and says she'll be back in couple of minutes, when she hasn't returned almost 15 minutes later I get the message and decide to settle my 900 bill.

[B]Beach Road Freelancer: 800[/B]

Having a hard time to decide whether to go for a cheap BJ on Soi 6 or get a girl from beach road I start walking north along beach road to see if I find something good. Picking up a slim girl, settling on 800 we grab an MC taxi back to my hotel. It turned out that she was older then she looked in the dim lights at the beach, probably in mid-late 40's. She still had a nice body though with only a few stretch marks. We quickly get down to action. Sadly her pussy was very stretched. She refused to rim me and also declined CIM or COF. I didn't finish and sent her off after only a short while.

At least now I know that services should be part of the negotiation and that I need to take a closer look when going to the dimly lit beach road for a girl.

[B]Day 2/10 summary[/B]

1 x ST: 1400

1 x FL: 800

Windmill gogo: 900

Other: 500.

Total: 3600 (+1000 shopping).

All in all a good a day. Including the morning fun with Som I had three sessions and popped twice.

StarGazer101,

As others have mentioned, really good report and I personally think the amount of detail is perfect. I actually skipped past the first section and didn't for a second think English wasn't your first language, hah. Anyway, reports like these make me really excited about visiting Pattaya for the first time the next time I get a chance to travel to Thailand (hopefully next year).

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1744974]Nice FR stargazer, keep them coming. Sure will be interesting to read upon your experience in PYX.

By the above mentioned description any chance that you are staying at Sunshine hotel. I have had to adopt the same MO of drinking in the balcony till the room chills when I stay there.

Brought back memories from my April visit.[/QUOTE]I do indeed stay at Sunshine Hotels & Resorts. 11th floor with a stunning view of Pattaya bay. I don't mind the individual AC that turns off when I leave the room, except that it's easy to set temperature too low and ending up with an ice box for a room.

Sitting around and relaxing before doing the deed is actually very nice. It might be a worse choice during high season, because I guess the girls are in more of a hurry to get back if you bring them for ST.

SG, thanks for another great report and letting us know how Climax is.

[QUOTE=StarGazer101;1745106]Happiness bar is actually a beer bar on Soi 7 . Was really relaxed with a lot of girls, even though it was early in the evening and low season.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. Enjoying your reports immense! I may check it out just to see those girls of yours.

It can really be a turn off for me to do my hunting, find a nice girl, bring her to my room and find waves of stretch marks on her stomach. This means " baby at home." This was more common for me in Angeles city. Thanks for the report.

Checked this place out for the first time yesterday and was pretty pleased. It's about 90% down soi Lengkee as you walk away from LK Metro. I'll give the caveat that I was pretty backed up and would have probably banged a baboon! I actually strolled by around 6:30 and thought the place was closed. Since I'm an idiot, I didn't notice the doorbell until I went back at about 8 to check again. I rang the bell and the ladyboy bartender answered quickly. Immediately, I was greeted with a deafening "Good evening, sir! From all the girls.

There was one other customer there and I quickly noticed that his girl's shirt was pulled all the way down and the customer was going to town. I sat up at the bar and four girls approached me. The ladies on offer are nothing really to write home about, but the girl I took (Nana) definitely knew her trade well. We went into the back room and she fully stripped and helped me out of my shorts. Like I said, I was pretty backed up and poor Nana had a tough time not making a mess when the glory moment came. My hands were free to roam the whole time.

Afterward, I was mentioning that I had thought the place was closed and was remarking on the doorbell system. The bartender drew my attention to a computer monitor behind the bar which had a camera feed of the entrance. This is to prevent cops or 'Thai people' from getting, I was told. So I guess this could be a negative if anyone is afraid Wikileaks and Edward Snowden are going to hack into the video feed and make it public.

As I left, there was a deafening "Thank you, sir. See you soon!

Total damage was 1365 baht.

600 for the girl (500 + 100 tip).

765 for the bar (300 barfine + drinks).

I think it's worth a shot if you're in the area.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;1746057]The ladies on offer are nothing really to write home about, but the girl I took (Nana) definitely knew her trade well.

As I left, there was a deafening "Thank you, sir. See you soon!

Total damage was 1365 baht.

I think it's worth a shot if you're in the area.[/QUOTE]I had reported on this place a couple of weeks ago. Great place. In my view among the best places to spend an afternoon. Relaxed atmosphere and no rush for LD. I think I had picked the same girl Nana. Really knew what a BBBJ means and how to do it well. Did she explain the economics of a BBBJ vs FS in the Lounge vs Room? I thought that was a great business model to 'upsell' services.

The way the ladies welcome and wish you goodbye is really cool, puts a smile on your face when you walk out.

Definitely worth more than a shot IMHO.

For you Pattaya/Bangkok addicts!

[URL]http://www.gamesofdesire.com/quest/sukhon-somporn-in-thailand/[/URL]#comment-205548.

Cool game!

[URL]http://www.pattayaprostatemassage.com/contact-pattaya-prostate-massage.php[/URL]

Despite what the site says this is a sexual experience which for me ended with an intense orgasm through stimulation of the prostrate and the genitals. What makes it different from other places with the same pitch is the consummate skill of the owner. The medical clinic vibe as you enter sets the mood. There is little chat except her having you totally relax and placing yourself in her capable hands. She uses hot oil, hot stones, hot towels rather like the premium special at Tandy Massage back in Bangkok but with a major difference. A lubricated latex dressed finger expertly probes the anus while at the same time massaging the genitals and the perineum I. E. The area between the anus and the balls. This soon makes you want to pop. Sensing it she eases back to neutral before again and again resuming a variation of the above. This continues until eventually it gets so intense you tell her not to stop to keep going and then a whamo release.

My feeling is that it may not be for everybody and despite my great experience it's not a place I would rush back to mainly because of the clinical nature of the interaction but that orgasm was about as intense as I have experienced and I did leave with a more exhilarated feeling than I normally get from a visit to a regular soapy or oilie. I paid 2000 .

I'm curious and wonder if there is any fun to be had in places like:

Let's Relax.

[URL]letsrelaxspa.com[/URL]

Anyone been to any places like these and has been given more sensual styles of massages?

[QUOTE=Hornyscot;1749308]I'm curious and wonder if there is any fun to be had in places like:

Let's Relax.

[URL]letsrelaxspa.com[/URL]

Anyone been to any places like these and has been given more sensual styles of massages?[/QUOTE]I've not been there personally, but I'd guess that no extras are offered. Most likely the best you could do would be to lure one of the massage ladies to your room during her off hours. Just guessing.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;1746057]Checked this place out for the first time yesterday and was pretty pleased. It's about 90% down soi Lengkee as you walk away from LK Metro. I'll give the caveat that I was pretty backed up and would have probably banged a baboon! I actually strolled by around 6:30 and thought the place was closed. Since I'm an idiot, I didn't notice the doorbell until I went back at about 8 to check again. I rang the bell and the ladyboy bartender answered quickly. Immediately, I was greeted with a deafening "Good evening, sir! From all the girls.

There was one other customer there and I quickly noticed that his girl's shirt was pulled all the way down and the customer was going to town. I sat up at the bar and four girls approached me. The ladies on offer are nothing really to write home about, but the girl I took (Nana) definitely knew her trade well. We went into the back room and she fully stripped and helped me out of my shorts. Like I said, I was pretty backed up and poor Nana had a tough time not making a mess when the glory moment came. My hands were free to roam the whole time.

Afterward, I was mentioning that I had thought the place was closed and was remarking on the doorbell system. The bartender drew my attention to a computer monitor behind the bar which had a camera feed of the entrance. This is to prevent cops or 'Thai people' from getting, I was told. So I guess this could be a negative if anyone is afraid Wikileaks and Edward Snowden are going to hack into the video feed and make it public.

As I left, there was a deafening "Thank you, sir. See you soon!

Total damage was 1365 baht.

600 for the girl (500 + 100 tip).

765 for the bar (300 barfine + drinks).

I think it's worth a shot if you're in the area.[/QUOTE]OK. Sorry for the dumb question but -does this and other bars in the LK Metro area have upstairs rooms like on Soi 6? I stay in the area but sometimes I want a quick session right on premises without dragging them back to my room.

[QUOTE=Hornyscot;1749308]I'm curious and wonder if there is any fun to be had in places like:

Let's Relax.

[URL]letsrelaxspa.com[/URL]

Anyone been to any places like these and has been given more sensual styles of massages?[/QUOTE]About zero chance. The web site under FAQ says as much. These places are often geared to asian tour groups. My live in works at one.

Read up about 25 pages of reports and some clear themes are emerging.

The prices I'm seeing hos asking and punters gladly coughing up (both BKK and Pattaya) don't seem to equate with the 'this is the lowest of low seasons' narrative.

Any perspectives?

[QUOTE=JHolmesJr;1749655]The prices I'm seeing hos asking and punters gladly coughing up (both BKK and Pattaya) don't seem to equate with the 'this is the lowest of low seasons' narrative.[/QUOTE]Most of these girls except the most financially desperate don't adjust their asking prices between high and low season. I think it's a matter of self respect. They figure they're worth that much and they're going to hold out for it. Still, there's probably more room to negotiate in low season if that's your style. (It's not mine.).

[QUOTE=Betong;1749904]Most of these girls except the most financially desperate don't adjust their asking prices between high and low season. I think it's a matter of self respect. They figure they're worth that much and they're going to hold out for it. Still, there's probably more room to negotiate in low season if that's your style. (It's not mine.).[/QUOTE]I'm into FL talent and ladt year paid 1000 LT and about 700 for beach road action.

I'm not into derelict skanks either but I don't chase " stunners" or "hotties". Give me a motivated MILF with no birth scars big tits a voluptuous ass and I'm in.

Had no problem scoring the above variety from the likes of Lucifer, Insomnia and Flexx.

Ohh. And I never have had to ask how much? I just make sure to buy a ho a couple of drinks, be polite, make her laugh and clearly establish that I am a thailand veteran. After that I don't get any weird ' how much you pay' retorts. If I do, I smile and say bye.

I'm in Pattaya now and took a venture down Walking Street today. There was a shitload of Asian tourists parading up and down the street. It was annoying as hell. I noticed one of the Korean women who was trying to take video of the Russian girls was getting told off by one of the hottest looking white girls I've seen in years. After seeing this scene I went over and introduced myself and had a good quick conversation with her. Of course, she invited me up with her, but I had to decline. I only had about 2,000 baht left on me at the time and I was sure that would be insufficient for taking care of business with the Russian girls.

Normally, I stick to Asian girls (incurable yellow fever), but for this girl I would make an exception. She looks like an actress. My question is has any of you had experience in the Russian clubs? How are the prices for drinks, bar fines, etc? Obviously, I can just ask them tomorrow when I go back, but of they tell me 6,000 baht short time I wouldn't know of that's just what's actually being paid for these girls or of if I would be getting ripped off. Thanks.

Visited [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s BJ bar and a massage place on the same road as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. BBBJ in a private room with CIM was 600 baht at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s and 700 baht at a nearby massage place. Most of the girls are not good looking at all, but are very friendly and fairly good BJ skills. I inquired at the Pump Station and was told 800 baht, but one of the girls was being very rude so I moved on.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1749372]OK. Sorry for the dumb question but -does this and other bars in the LK Metro area have upstairs rooms like on Soi 6? I stay in the area but sometimes I want a quick session right on premises without dragging them back to my room.[/QUOTE]In the Post Office bar, I went to a curtained-off back room with a couple of couches and mood lighting. When I was being given the price structure, there was mention of a 'room' where you could have a ST session. It costs a little bit more to use the room, than just the curtained-off spot. I think it was 200-300 more.

[QUOTE=Nefarious;1750217]I only had about 2,000 baht left on me at the time and I was sure that would be insufficient for taking care of business with the Russian girls.
My question is has any of you had experience in the Russian clubs? How are the prices for drinks, bar fines, etc? Obviously, I can just ask them tomorrow when I go back, but of they tell me 6,000 baht short time I wouldn't know of that's just what's actually being paid for these girls [/QUOTE]2000 would have been plenty. They are not there to fuck, they are only there to part you from your money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1750372]2000 would have been plenty. They are not there to fuck, they are only there to part you from your money.[/QUOTE]Are you saying the Russian girls will not even do short time? Seriously I am not interested in just talking to them. If they do short time how much are they asking? I would have forked over 3,000 for the one I saw last night, but she was a stunner and had a great personality.

[QUOTE=Nefarious;1750217]My question is has any of you had experience in the Russian clubs? How are the prices for drinks, bar fines, etc?[/QUOTE]These Russian clubs on Walking Street are a total rip off.

The Galaxy Cabaret on Walking Street:

Drink is 300 baht.

Lap dance is 3 k baht.

There is no sex!

Crazy Horse Cabaret on Walking Street:

Drink is 350 baht.

10,000 baht ST.

30,000 baht LT.

If you can afford to pay at those prices no need to come to Pattaya!

[QUOTE=JHolmesJr;1750090]Ohh. And I never have had to ask how much? I just make sure to buy a ho a couple of drinks, be polite, make her laugh and clearly establish that I am a thailand veteran. After that I don't get any weird ' how much you pay' retorts. If I do, I smile and say bye.[/QUOTE]I could not agree more with you Holmes. In about 20 minutes the girl knows who she is dealing with. I have never personally been asked silly questions about price. I also realized over the last few years that you are being watched and discussed all the time. When you are talking to a girl there might a couple of dozen eyeballs on you. Probably the girls might be running a forum like this where they discuss mongers, you know like who is a cheap charlie, who is one week millionaire, who lasts for how long, who likes back door action, who drinks how much etc. And these girls have good memories, no matter what they might tell you.

Every once in a while I bump into a girl I must have rooted some years ago and she has all sorts of stories about the past that I would never remember.

[QUOTE=Nefarious;1750390]Are you saying the Russian girls will not even do short time? Seriously I am not interested in just talking to them. If they do short time how much are they asking? I would have forked over 3,000 for the one I saw last night, but she was a stunner and had a great personality.[/QUOTE]Some years ago I visited a bar with Russian girls on walking street. After ordering a beer an looking around for about 15 minutes a girl came by pushing me to order another drink. As I had not finished my first beer I told her maybe later to which she answered it would be better to finish this one now and other another one or leave the club to avoid problems.

That was the last time I entered a bar with Russian girls.

But it's still great to walk up and down walking street and visit some bars. It's one big freak show but a lot of fun.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UNgy3N7TidI[/URL]

[QUOTE=AsianVid;1750981]Some years ago I visited a bar with Russian girls on walking street. After ordering a beer an looking around for about 15 minutes a girl came by pushing me to order another drink. As I had not finished my first beer I told her maybe later to which she answered it would be better to finish this one now and other another one or leave the club to avoid problems.

That was the last time I entered a bar with Russian girls.

But it's still great to walk up and down walking street and visit some bars. It's one big freak show but a lot of fun.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UNgy3N7TidI[/URL][/QUOTE]I would have thrown the first beer in the witch's face and left.

Man that really gets my blood pressure up. A typical example of Russian hospitality. This is why I avoid all thing Russian when in Pattaya.

And I don't find the Russian girls at the window bar all that hot anyway. Especially compared to the sweet Thai girls with their great attitudes.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1750845]Every once in a while I bump into a girl I must have rooted some years ago and she has all sorts of stories about the past that I would never remember.[/QUOTE]Just yesterday I was sitting in front of Tukcom with the fellas when I got a call on my Thai phone. Now I have only had this number since February. When I answered there was a chick on the line saying I see you. I looked up and around and there was a chick across the street waving and walking down the street with a couple of other girls. I had no freaking idea who this chick was. My buddies thought she called me on Line or Whatsapp. I said no she called me on the phone.

[QUOTE=SpDelhi;1737276]A very useful piece of information Wolvenvacht. The police or LE action is never directed towards the visiting tourist for engaging a WG in Thailand.

I had once got into trouble with a Taxi guy when I was traveling with a Thai hooker to my hotel. He was trying to charge double fare thinking I would pay up in front of the girl. He threatened to call the police stating that he will report prostitution etc. I did not bow down and stood my ground in the situation. In fact I called tourist police myself and reported about the matter.

This taxi guy immediately had a change of stand and did not even collect fare and fled away from the hotel porch. The police did call back from reception and assured that I was OK and matter sorted out. No mention of the WG or anything from the hotel or police.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but this is nonsense. Police are well known to shake down tourists when WG's are involved.

I was hassled by police on beach road about a year ago. It was late and I was not far up from the Hard rock. The police were doing a sweep, putting girls in the back of the van and extracting a 'fine' and then releasing them.

I had just met a woman and we were taking a walk and negotiating when the police stopped us and wanted me to come to the van. I refused and told them she was my GF and the girl played along. Luckily I remembered her name and the police released us. She turned out to be a handy in the sack too.

The moral is, foreigners need to be careful when dealing with FL W. G's especially in public places.

I have had similar Russian arrogance in both a bar and restaurant settings in Pattaya with both Russian men and women. They make my blood boil also and I try to avoid them all the time because of what I might do. It is sad to see their degrading performances with the ladies.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1751178]I would have thrown the first beer in the witch's face and left.

Man that really gets my blood pressure up. A typical example of Russian hospitality. This is why I avoid all thing Russian when in Pattaya.

And I don't find the Russian girls at the window bar all that hot anyway. Especially compared to the sweet Thai girls with their great attitudes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1751178]
I don't find the Russian girls at the window bar all that hot anyway. Especially compared to the sweet Thai girls with their great attitudes.[/QUOTE]I find most of the FSU girls working the trade in Asia to be very unattractive. They seem to appeal to mostly Northern Asian Customers who have a thing for white meat, a exotic luxury item from where they are coming from. They better be on their guard on Walking Street Pattaya, however, because these "Russian" Go Go's are notorious rip off joints. If you must have a Caucasian girl in Asia; your time and money would be much better spent at Mixx Bar in BKK or Brix Bar in Singapore, and Malioboro & Alexis Brothels in Jakarta. At least these later places are not crooked rip off joints, although the quality of the "Russian" girls there is unfortunately not very high. Asia is for Asian girls.

I know beautiful Russian girls exist, HA HA, I see them all the time on porn internet sites, and I imagine Moscow clubs are loaded with them, but in all my Asian travels I have only come across two Russian girls (real Russian. Not FSU) that I thought made the grade. I met one around 10 years ago in the Amsterdam RLD district of all places and the other was a FL at Brix in Singapore. I took the Russian Amsterdam Window girl. She charged me 60 EU plus an extra 20 EU for topless and kissing. She was gorgeous. I passed on the Brix FL even though she appeared friendly and I went instead for a beautiful Mongolian girl. I have no regrets.

I have never been to Moscow. From what I gather, the golden age is long gone and the time to go was around the fall of the former Soviet Union when the girls had really good attitudes and prices were bargain basement. In my never ending quest for new Asian talent, I occasionally find myself tempted by Asian Kazakhstan girls. To that end, I read the Kazakhstan Forum from time to time. Sadly, the posts are rare and do not sound all that promising or worthwhile, but I still occasionally think about a short visit. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=CharlieShine;1751273]I was hassled by police on beach road about a year ago. It was late and I was not far up from the Hard rock. The police were doing a sweep, putting girls in the back of the van and extracting a 'fine' and then releasing them.

I had just met a woman and we were taking a walk and negotiating when the police stopped us and wanted me to come to the van. I refused and told them she was my GF and the girl played along. Luckily I remembered her name and the police released us. She turned out to be a handy in the sack too.

The moral is, foreigners need to be careful when dealing with FL W. G's especially in public places.[/QUOTE]If the police were out to extract money from punters, they would have done so, and would not have let you refuse them so easily. Most likely they simply wanted to get some cash from the working girl (as with others), and you stood in the way. They tried to nudge you out, but then decided to move on, since it's not worth their time or potential hassle to deal with you.

In almost a decade in Thailand, I haven't heard of a customer having trouble with the police simply for soliciting a working girls (in any venue, including in public), except if something additional was wrong (girl being [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url], having drugs on her and so on).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1751301]
I have never been to Moscow. From what I gather, the golden age is long gone and the time to go was around the fall of the former Soviet Union when the girls had really good attitudes and prices were bargain basement. .[/QUOTE]Spot on Natty. Attitudes here have changed for the worst. To the point where a few years ago I was really into Russian girls, but now they just don't do it for me unless they are SUPER hot.

May be going back to Pattaya this Fall.

Haven't been to Thailand in 3 years.

I am an older retired guy, and am interested in all night, not short time.

I know the go go dancers in Pattaya are all short time.

I'm wondering who there does all night?

Do the girls in the outdoor beer bars do all night -.

If you meet them at night?

I found that most of the girls at the outdoor beer bars in.

Pattaya are average looking. There were some good looking ones -.

At the beer bars on Walking Street, and also at beer bars.

Also at beer bars near the entrance to Walking Street, the last time I was in Pattaya.

In 2012. There were several lookers at those beer bars. Hope these good looking beer bar girls do all night.

Or can you recommend houses with attractive escorts that will stay all night -.

At my hotel. Any info or suggestions is appreciated.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1752020]May be going back to Pattaya this Fall.

Haven't been to Thailand in 3 years.

I am an older retired guy, and am interested in all night, not short time.

I know the go go dancers in Pattaya are all short time.

I'm wondering who there does all night?

Do the girls in the outdoor beer bars do all night -.

If you meet them at night?

I found that most of the girls at the outdoor beer bars in.

Pattaya are average looking. There were some good looking ones -.

At the beer bars on Walking Street, and also at beer bars.

Also at beer bars near the entrance to Walking Street, the last time I was in Pattaya.

In 2012. There were several lookers at those beer bars. Hope these good looking beer bar girls do all night.

Or can you recommend houses with attractive escorts that will stay all night -.

At my hotel. Any info or suggestions is appreciated.[/QUOTE]A senior member with 357 posts and you still don't know you should NOT hit enter at the end of each line you're typing? LOL.

LT girls are available everywhere in Pattaya. Just read this thread by starting from January 1 or whatever date. That's what a forum like this is meant for: reading.

What do you mean by 90%, does ist mean close to 3rd road?

[QUOTE=Biffduff;1746057]Checked this place out for the first time yesterday and was pretty pleased. It's about 90% down soi Lengkee as you walk away from LK Metro. I'll give the caveat that I was pretty backed up and would have probably banged a baboon! I actually strolled by around 6:30 and thought the place was closed. Since I'm an idiot, I didn't notice the doorbell until I went back at about 8 to check again. I rang the bell and the ladyboy bartender answered quickly. Immediately, I was greeted with a deafening "Good evening, sir! From all the girls.

There was one other customer there and I quickly noticed that his girl's shirt was pulled all the way down and the customer was going to town. I sat up at the bar and four girls approached me. The ladies on offer are nothing really to write home about, but the girl I took (Nana) definitely knew her trade well. We went into the back room and she fully stripped and helped me out of my shorts. Like I said, I was pretty backed up and poor Nana had a tough time not making a mess when the glory moment came. My hands were free to roam the whole time.

Afterward, I was mentioning that I had thought the place was closed and was remarking on the doorbell system. The bartender drew my attention to a computer monitor behind the bar which had a camera feed of the entrance. This is to prevent cops or 'Thai people' from getting, I was told. So I guess this could be a negative if anyone is afraid Wikileaks and Edward Snowden are going to hack into the video feed and make it public.

As I left, there was a deafening "Thank you, sir. See you soon!

Total damage was 1365 baht.

600 for the girl (500 + 100 tip).

765 for the bar (300 barfine + drinks).

I think it's worth a shot if you're in the area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1752176]What do you mean by 90%, does ist mean close to 3rd road?[/QUOTE]I don' think he meant 3rd road, its on soi Lengkee but further up. A member who went and checked it out says that its got a very obscure entrance (unlike when it was Telephone Bar which had a unique entrance) and had missed it several times going up and down that street.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1752203]I don' think he meant 3rd road, its on soi Lengkee but further up. A member who went and checked it out says that its got a very obscure entrance (unlike when it was Telephone Bar which had a unique entrance) and had missed it several times going up and down that street.[/QUOTE]Yup, that's exactly what I meant. I walked away from LK Metro and got onto soi Lengkee. I was almost about to give up finding it when I randomly glanced to my left and saw it. About 90% of the way toward soi Lengkee ending. Hope that helps.

Right across the soi from Family Mart.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;1752206]Yup, that's exactly what I meant. I walked away from LK Metro and got onto soi Lengkee. I was almost about to give up finding it when I randomly glanced to my left and saw it. About 90% of the way toward soi Lengkee ending. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]I believe what the poster is trying to say is -.

Walking from so I buckhao towards 3rd road, should be across from Clean hotel.

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1752176]What do you mean by 90%, does ist mean close to 3rd road?[/QUOTE]Soi Lengkee connect soi Buakhao and 3rd Road. The Club is next to Trafalgar.

Day 1 - caught a songtaew on second road to Soi 6 around 2 pm. Sunday roast at Victoria Inn followed by some good times at Horny Bar. Details below.

Horny Bar.

There were around 5 girls. One of the girls who came in later was very pretty and cute but looked too young. The girl who had attached herself to me lady A (27) said the other girl was 22. The owner was present and introduced himself to me. Couple of drinks and one lady drink later lady A (I don't remember her name. She's good looking, sweet and has a full back tattoo) convinced me to go upstairs. Paid 300 for the room around 300 for the drinks. 90 baht for regular drinks and 120 for lady drink. Upstairs rooms are well appointed and adequate for the deed. Think nana Bangkok short time hotels but twice as nice. *.

Had a long hot sweaty session with a satisfying release. Lots of GFE. Paid her 100 on top of the 1000 baht. Went back down and bought her an ld. One more drink for me. More. Cuddling, DFK and street watching. Left at around 7 pm, dinner and back to my room. Good day of p4 p for less than 2000 baht. *.

Day 2 - Met an online date at beer garden on the pier for lunch. She was okay but not really my type. Bailed out on her and went back to the hotel for a nap. After dinner at my regular place on LK Metro I took a moto to Soi 6 at around 10 pm.

Solo club.

There were around 6 girls here. Walked in blindly ordered a beer and a water and sat there trying to absorb the scene. At first I was joined by tall slim lady X who gave me a bit of attention. Soon replaced by lady why who was tall but better built. Her teeth were a bit crooked and that put me off a bit. Bought her a lady drink while she rubbed me in the right areas followed by a good hand shoulder neck massage. She is an ex masseuse. I tipped her 100 for her efforts and paid the 195 tab and left. *.

Passion dance club*.

This place is towards beach road end of Soi 6. It's a go-go bar with curtained off entrance. Small stage inside with seating around. About 8 girls, 4 of whom would dance in turns. One cute girl on stage wanted to go upstairs with me. It's a small place and you can actually communicate with the dancers on stage. Not so pushy mamasan got her and another one to join me. Both very sexy looking but a bit rough for my taste. Groped them and got groped publicly in return. One Noisy gang of Chinese punters had a topless girl with them on the couch. They seemed more interested in shouting and barking at eat other. Finished my drink and left.

Ruby club.

Backtracked towards second road end and went in here. One cute slim girl served me my gnt. There's were about 6 girls he and many punters. One tattooed Thai man in a biker outfit kind of had me worried. Soon I was set upon by a very curvy voluptuous latinesque figured girl with a a big ass, flat tummy and small be cups. Pretty face and long brown hair. It took me some time to establish she was born a girl. Satisfied I bought her a drink. She was very playful and we groped and cuddled for a bit. Took her upstairs to a well appointed room. 300 for the room. A good time was had and I will spare you the details. Total price paid was around 475 for drinks and room. 1000 for her and 100 tip.

Another 50 baht for moto taxi back to hotel and off to bed by 1 am.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1752140]

LT girls are available everywhere in Pattaya. Just read this thread by starting from January 1 or whatever date. That's what a forum like this is meant for: reading.[/QUOTE]Hopefully there will be a decent person answering my question, of where I can find girls for all night in Pattaya, so I won't have to read every post from the last half year. (A search didn't help). Some people have other things to do besides spending many hours reading posts.

[QUOTE=CharlieShine;1751273]Sorry, but this is nonsense. Police are well known to shake down tourists when WG's are involved.[/QUOTE]That's not my experience and truly I haven't heard this being widely reported either. Thailand would not be such a popular destination for us mongers if we were regularly harassed and shaken down by LE over our hobby.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1752020]May be going back to Pattaya this Fall.

Haven't been to Thailand in 3 years.

I am an older retired guy, and am interested in all night, not short time.

I know the go go dancers in Pattaya are all short time.

I'm wondering who there does all night?

Do the girls in the outdoor beer bars do all night -.

If you meet them at night?

I found that most of the girls at the outdoor beer bars in.

Pattaya are average looking. There were some good looking ones -.

At the beer bars on Walking Street, and also at beer bars.

Also at beer bars near the entrance to Walking Street, the last time I was in Pattaya.

In 2012. There were several lookers at those beer bars. Hope these good looking beer bar girls do all night.

Or can you recommend houses with attractive escorts that will stay all night -.

At my hotel. Any info or suggestions is appreciated.[/QUOTE]This is Thailand: everything is subject and open to negotiations. For the right price even a hot agogo dancer will do LT.

I'm a fan of LT myself and never had trouble finding someone in a beerbar who was willing to join me. Many members here reported that on Beachroad LT is available as well. Soi 6 is probably a less good LT hunting area as these girls are all geared up for ST in their own bars.

Henry, you only had to look 10 posts before your question to see LT is available at the clubs on Walking Street. Someone was quoted 30,000 baht for LT. lol

Real price 1000-5000 baht depending on whether you want LT from a FL, bar girl, massage girl, or coyote girl available at all adult establishments.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1752372]Some people have other things to do besides spending many hours reading posts.[/QUOTE]And some others don't.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1752372]Hopefully there will be a decent person answering my question, of where I can find girls for all night in Pattaya, so I won't have to read every post from the last half year. (A search didn't help). Some people have other things to do besides spending many hours reading posts.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. Your attitude seems pretty dismissive and disrespectful to those who do contribute to this forum. In essence what I'm hearing you say is that your time is more valuable than our time -- so you expect us to do your research for you. Hmmm.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1752372]Hopefully there will be a decent person answering my question, of where I can find girls for all night in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Well Mogwai gave you the correct answer: [B]everywhere[/B]. If you ever bother to show up then you will see that is an accurate answer and owe him an apology.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1752372]Hopefully there will be a decent person answering my question, of where I can find girls for all night in Pattaya, so I won't have to read every post from the last half year. (A search didn't help). Some people have other things to do besides spending many hours reading posts.[/QUOTE]What Mogwai said is 100% accurate. Everywhere.

If you were in Pattaya 3 years ago how did you not discover this your first night?

Beer bar waitresses go LT if you negotiate that. So does the occasional dancer at a beer bar.

Waitresses at a gogo go LT if you negotiate that as do the dancers. And at Angelwitch the feature dancer at their shows she can be bar fined and she will stay with you all night if you negotiate that.

Girls at all these places still have free will and can decide with whom they do ST and with whom they do LT and what price. They can also say "oops sorry my period start today OK, no can go with you OK".

If they don't like you and then the next guy comes in and off she goes LT.

And what sir William, ed and others said your time is more valuable than others? You should be spoon fed info while others have to search and read and the hours to spend looking for this info was probably about 5 minutes of reading on the same page.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1752506]Girls at all these places still have free will and can decide with whom they do ST and with whom they do LT and what price. They can also say "oops sorry my period start today OK, no can go 11with you OK".[/QUOTE]I found everyone from beer bars was glad to do long time, but not so much at gogos. At a lot of gogos, all wanted short time, none wanted long time. (I never ran into anyone who claimed to be on their period) How would one be better able to persuade women to long time?

[QUOTE=KiJang;1752365]Day 1 - caught a songtaew on second road to Soi 6 around 2 pm. Sunday roast at Victoria Inn followed by some good times at Horny Bar. Details below.

Horny Bar.

There were around 5 girls. One of the girls who came in later was very pretty and cute but looked too young. The girl who had attached herself to me lady A (27) said the other girl was 22. The owner was present and introduced himself to me. Couple of drinks and one lady drink later lady A (I don't remember her name. She's good looking, sweet and has a full back tattoo) convinced me to go upstairs. Paid 300 for the room around 300 for the drinks. 90 baht for regular drinks and 120 for lady drink. Upstairs rooms are well appointed and adequate for the deed. Think nana Bangkok short time hotels but twice as nice. *.

Had a long hot sweaty session with a satisfying release. Lots of GFE. Paid her 100 on top of the 1000 baht. Went back down and bought her an ld. One more drink for me. More. Cuddling, DFK and street watching. Left at around 7 pm, dinner and back to my room. Good day of p4 p for less than 2000 baht. *.

Day 2 - Met an online date at beer garden on the pier for lunch. She was okay but not really my type. Bailed out on her and went back to the hotel for a nap. After dinner at my regular place on LK Metro I took a moto to Soi 6 at around 10 pm.

Solo club.

There were around 6 girls here. Walked in blindly ordered a beer and a water and sat there trying to absorb the scene. At first I was joined by tall slim lady X who gave me a bit of attention. Soon replaced by lady why who was tall but better built. Her teeth were a bit crooked and that put me off a bit. Bought her a lady drink while she rubbed me in the right areas followed by a good hand shoulder neck massage. She is an ex masseuse. I tipped her 100 for her efforts and paid the 195 tab and left. *.

Passion dance club*.

This place is towards beach road end of Soi 6. It's a go-go bar with curtained off entrance. Small stage inside with seating around. About 8 girls, 4 of whom would dance in turns. One cute girl on stage wanted to go upstairs with me. It's a small place and you can actually communicate with the dancers on stage. Not so pushy mamasan got her and another one to join me. Both very sexy looking but a bit rough for my taste. Groped them and got groped publicly in return. One Noisy gang of Chinese punters had a topless girl with them on the couch. They seemed more interested in shouting and barking at eat other. Finished my drink and left.

Ruby club.

Backtracked towards second road end and went in here. One cute slim girl served me my gnt. There's were about 6 girls he and many punters. One tattooed Thai man in a biker outfit kind of had me worried. Soon I was set upon by a very curvy voluptuous latinesque figured girl with a a big ass, flat tummy and small be cups. Pretty face and long brown hair. It took me some time to establish she was born a girl. Satisfied I bought her a drink. She was very playful and we groped and cuddled for a bit. Took her upstairs to a well appointed room. 300 for the room. A good time was had and I will spare you the details. Total price paid was around 475 for drinks and room. 1000 for her and 100 tip.

Another 50 baht for moto taxi back to hotel and off to bed by 1 am.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Very efficient! I can tell you are a no nonsense kind of guy.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1752229]Soi Lengkee connect soi Buakhao and 3rd Road. The Club is next to Trafalgar.[/QUOTE]Just took these sitting on my motorbike in front of Family Mart.

I usually find myself starved for freelancers during the day especially around noon. I have read some reports of punters finding an occasional freelancer on BR during the day but could not spot any when I was there in March. Can someone please let me know which massage parlous one can visit to get off during the day? I don't want to go too far from beach road so well known places lije sabai massage are off the map for me. Any suggestions gents?

After running around with Pipe Layer for about an hour in Second Road bars and all the chicks not budging from 1500 baht LT plus 300 baht bar fine, I decided to hit Beach Road. I turned down Soi 7 and spotted one of my regular disco chicks at a bar. I stopped and she was shocked to see me. She said she was there visiting her friend and just landed a job. She will start work there tomorrow. She asked when she would see me again and I said soon.

I continued towards Beach Road and made a left. I slow rolled in the right lane. Right after I passed Central Festival I spotted a chick who was sitting in a chair and she waved at me. I thought she was pretty nice so I went up a bit more and parked my bike on the left. As I walked across the street I was thinking that I hope it wasn't a damn ladyboy.

When I got to her and her friend, she said wow how did you get here so fast and where did you park your motorbike? She reminded me of an old flame in Panama. She looked straight Latina to me. I asked her how much she wanted. She said 700. I said paeng (expensive). I am not on holiday. I live here. She immediately dropped down to 500. I said okay where are we going. She said we can go to your room. I had already told her where I lived. She said are we taking your bike or mine. I said we will both take our own. She followed closely behind so not to get lost. I was thinking I had better hurry the fuck up before my girl gets off work at 4.

We each showered then went for rack operations. It was all good. I walked her downstairs and bid her adieu. It is now 3:48.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1752921]After running around with Pipe Layer for about an hour in Second Road bars and all the chicks not budging from 1500 baht LT plus 300 baht bar fine, I decided to hit Beach Road. I turned down Soi 7 and spotted one of my regular disco chicks at a bar. I stopped and she was shocked to see me. She said she was there visiting her friend and just landed a job. She will start work there tomorrow. She asked when she would see me again and I said soon.

I continued towards Beach Road and made a left. I slow rolled in the right lane. Right after I passed Central Festival I spotted a chick who was sitting in a chair and she waved at me. I thought she was pretty nice so I went up a bit more and parked my bike on the left. As I walked across the street I was thinking that I hope it wasn't a damn ladyboy.

When I got to her and her friend, she said wow how did you get here so fast and where did you park your motorbike? She reminded me of an old flame in Panama. She looked straight Latina to me. I asked her how much she wanted. She said 700. I said paeng (expensive). I am not on holiday. I live here. She immediately dropped down to 500. I said okay where are we going. She said we can go to your room. I had already told her where I lived. She said are we taking your bike or mine. I said we will both take our own. She followed closely behind so not to get lost. I was thinking I had better hurry the fuck up before my girl gets off work at 4.

We each showered then went for rack operations. It was all good. I walked her downstairs and bid her adieu. It is now 3:48.[/QUOTE]Good one. She is very pretty and doesn't look very Thai.

[QUOTE=Oterri;1752787] I don't want to go too far from beach road so well known places lije sabai massage are off the map for me. Any suggestions gents?[/QUOTE]
Do you think that second road is too far from Beach Road? . Really? LOL.
Try Rasputin Bodymassage, between soi 6 and 5.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/RasputinBodyMassageClub[/URL]
http://pattayaplaza.com/nightlife/rasputin-body-massage/

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1753174]Do you think that second road is too far from Beach Road? . Really? LOL.
Try Rasputin Bodymassage, between soi 6 and 5.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/RasputinBodyMassageClub[/URL]
http://pattayaplaza.com/nightlife/rasputin-body-massage/[/QUOTE]Not at all. Rasputin is certainly on my TDL now. I had heard of some parlours on soi honey but last time I looked they looked sort of empty during afternoons. Any other massage parlours I should check out in this area?

I was just wondering what the girl or club action will be like for Pattaya over the next two days as it is supposed to be Big Buddha days? For example will the Devils Den be open on either Thursday or Friday?

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1753241]I was just wondering what the girl or club action will be like for Pattaya over the next two days as it is supposed to be Big Buddha days? For example will the Devils Den be open on either Thursday or Friday?[/QUOTE]Bars, gogos, and discos close at midnight. I am not sure if DD and soapies fall under the same umbrella, but more than likely they do. Better go out now and collect some phone numbers.

[QUOTE=WildBillLewis;1709299]I have another question for the brotherhood of the Pattaya forum. If Pattaya is the Mecca of mongering, where in the world is the next best place?[/QUOTE]A very late response to your question wild bill but I am researching Pattaya for a September trip and unlike some who come here and try to demand answers to their questions without reading the forum. I do go back and read countless posts. For this upcoming trip to Pattaya I have gone back 70 pages here and I am reading forward. A newbie to Pattaya I am not, this is my 8th trip and last one was July of 2014 so it just infuriates me when people with little posts don't do their own research.

Now rant finished a few shout outs for the first 30 pages of review and then to your question bill.

Wild Bill- great reports man, especially your overall reviews after the trip. Despite having spent about 6 months in total of my life in Pattaya I learned from your posts.

Mr. E and Uncle V, thanks to you guys and others for your contributions as well.

Now onto your question.

It depends on what you like, and it seems you have a case of yellow fever so your list will be different from a buddy of mine who can't stand asians. I myself am a lover of cute little asian girls and curvy Latinas but don't like at all tall 6 foot gorgeous blondes just not my thing.

After mongering in Buenos Aires, Rio, Havana, Costa Rica, Panama city, Medellín, Cartagena, Bogotá, Lima, Tijuana, Guatemala, Nicaragua, St Maarten, Germany, Holland, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, China, Macau, philippines, dubai and a few others my list is as follows:

1- Pattaya- I love thai girls and the plethora of options there as well as the many other non monger activities.

2- Medellin- as pitbull sings in his song International Love En Colombia the women got everything done, but they're Some of the most beautiful women I've ever seen."

Amazing climate, very sexy and gorgeous girls and a 3 hour flight from Florida.

3- Angeles city- I always have a good time here, better english from the girls and more GFE than in thailand. Just the city is a shit hole with very little to do in day time.

4- Rio- ohhhh why did they have to close help? Back in 2000 or so I would place rio ahead of pattaya even. One of the world's greatest cities filled with amazingly sexy women that will fuck you silly. Club help in its day makes Insomnia in pattaya look small and turns all those thai 8, 9's and 5's and 6's.

Still a decent place to go. Has been expensive as shit but with the brazilian real sinking it makes Rio again more affordable.

Those to me are the top 4. Mongering destinations. They easily trump the other places. Thats not to say san jose Costa Rica isn't fun but when compared to Colombia, Costa Rica is sooo much lower.

Again thanks to wild bill and others for all the info.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1753241]I was just wondering what the girl or club action will be like for Pattaya over the next two days as it is supposed to be Big Buddha days? For example will the Devils Den be open on either Thursday or Friday?[/QUOTE]The Devil's Den is one of my favorite places to take a girl from in Pattaya but it is not a club at all.

Its an escort service.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1753241]I was just wondering what the girl or club action will be like for Pattaya over the next two days as it is supposed to be Big Buddha days? For example will the Devils Den be open on either Thursday or Friday?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/[/URL]

Check here for thai national holidays. 30/31 July Certain closing.

[QUOTE=Oterri;1753239]Not at all. Rasputin is certainly on my TDL now. I had heard of some parlours on soi honey but last time I looked they looked sort of empty during afternoons. Any other massage parlours I should check out in this area?[/QUOTE]In soi Honey you have Honey Body Massage [URL]http://www.honey-bodymassage.com/[/URL].

Or you can try PP BodyMassage [URL]http://www.ppbodymassage.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1752516]I found everyone from beer bars was glad to do long time, but not so much at gogos. At a lot of gogos, all wanted short time, none wanted long time. (I never ran into anyone who claimed to be on their period) How would one be better able to persuade women to long time?[/QUOTE]Most of the 100+ Pattaya girls I've been with are dancers from agogo bars and maybe 80% we've done LT. My first trip to Pattaya I had my cherry popped at Angelwitch and had such an amazing time I usually find myself doing that at night and a soapie during the day. However on the upcoming trip I plan to hit some Soi 6 and Insomnia more to change it up.

To answer your question about LT a good dancer. A couple things increase the chances of ST- LT.

1. time of night- if it is 8 pm your chances of LT a quite low. Why would she take your 3000 baht for LT when she can take another's guys 2000 for ST be back at the club by say 10 pm and take customer #2 for another 2000 baht and if she is hot and in demand maybe customer #3 after midnight chances for LT with agogo dancer are much higher.

2. the girl's impression of you. As an example, with money spent by both guys being equal--if guy #1 is 72 bald, smelly, and has bigger saggier tits than the dancer LT is not a likely option or the price will be crazy high. Guy #2 is 30-40 and appropriate bodyweight, doesn't smell, is not wearing an old stained Singha tank top his chances for LT are higher. Sorry guys but its the truth.

3. how much rapport you build with the girl-- buying lady drinks and spending time with her. Buy her one drink and conduct an interview "how much" "can I fuck your ass?" "can I cum in your mouth?" contrast that approach with-- buy her lady drink and talk with her, "where are you from" "how old are you" let me guess 19 "oh no you funny man I am 23 but thank you so much" "how many brothers, sisters you have?" "you have baby?" "yes have baby, he have 3 year old now ya" buy her second drink. "show me pictures of your son" "really? You want to see?" "yes show me" ok you wait here ya, you no talk other girl ya" off she runs to dressing room to get phone. She comes back excited and shows me pictures of the little bugger. I lie through my teeth "oh so big, looks smart, bla bla. "oh yeah he big, so smart ya" shot girl comes by and its 3 shots. One for her, me and shot girl. Now shot girl is happy with my dancer and my dancer's status goes up in bar. She asked me now "you have baby?" "no but I have nephew," out comes my phone and I show her pictures of him and then oops pictures of me in africa, russia at the olympics, Brazil at the world cup. I order us drink #3 not counting the shot. She punch me in the arm "you try get me drunk ya?" she jiggling her ass of now. I see mamasan and I motion her over and say "Nit (lets just call dancer that) mamasan Nit was telling me that you like a drink" mamasan is happy of course as she will make about 50 baht from LD and Nit? She is fucking over the moon now. Mamasans run these girls. I have just increased Nit's value to mamasan. So next week when Nit shows up late half hour from work no warning no docking of her pay. Her friend Noy hasn't ingratiate herself to mamasan and shows up 5 minutes late and gets yelled at mamasan finishes her drink. I ask Nit "which dancer is your best friend?" she is puzzled by this question she says "#33 Mai is my roommate" I give her 100 baht note and say go put this in his bikini and slap her on the ass. She is giggling more after she does that and comes back and hugs me more and she kisses me deeply. I tell her I am hungry, she is a gogo dancer she will be hungry so she says "me same same" I then whisper in her ear "baby, lets go eat and then go dancing" she hugs me and jumps in lap now "yes, yes" and then I say not ask "you stay with me all night until breakfast ok" she asks "you barfine now?" "yes of course baby" and I motion over mamasan or the waitress and pay barfine. Nit then says "I go change now" and off she goes.

Am I going to get LT? Of course I am. GFE? Of course I am! Did I pay too much? Of course I did!! Total cost 1000 bar fine, 3000 LT, 1000 or more unfortunately for bar tab. Way too much money for sure. Is her pussy better than a girl from beach road, beer bar or insomnia? Maybe yes maybe no but. Its my baht and I earned it over in Afghanistan and Iraq and I am going to spend it how the fuck I want to.

That is how I increase chances for LT Mr. Red Dogger.

Attached photo is of Na from sexy airport July 2014.

I have witnessed and read reports of big drop in freelancer numbers on beach road even during good weather season do wondering how bad things are now a days.

Is it raining every evening now a days in Pattaya? And if yes I wonder how to find the beach road freelancers? Do they work during the day or start early around 4 pm to get business or are most of them gone currently due to rains? Can someone with boots on the ground please clarify?

[QUOTE=Oterri;1753688]Can someone with boots on the ground please clarify?[/QUOTE]Boots on the ground? What an old fashioned concept! Now it is all drones and cams: [URL]http://gobefore.me/cams/a_one_hotel/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Oterri;1753688]I have witnessed and read reports of big drop in freelancer numbers on beach road even during good weather season do wondering how bad things are now a days.

Is it raining every evening now a days in Pattaya? And if yes I wonder how to find the beach road freelancers? Do they work during the day or start early around 4 pm to get business or are most of them gone currently due to rains? Can someone with boots on the ground please clarify?[/QUOTE]Working girls melt in the rain. Haven't you ever seen the Wizard of Oz?

[QUOTE=Oterri;1753688]I have witnessed and read reports of big drop in freelancer numbers on beach road even during good weather season do wondering how bad things are now a days.[/QUOTE]How many would you like to be there? You can only stick your dick into one at a time. I will go out tonight and count them if you would like.

[QUOTE=Oterri;1753688]I have witnessed and read reports of big drop in freelancer numbers on beach road even during good weather season do wondering how bad things are now a days.

Is it raining every evening now a days in Pattaya? And if yes I wonder how to find the beach road freelancers? Do they work during the day or start early around 4 pm to get business or are most of them gone currently due to rains? Can someone with boots on the ground please clarify?[/QUOTE]Yes, they're still there, but they are suffering pretty badly from lack of customers, and because the more or less daily rains interfere with business even more than the police. The continuous, long-term, slow decline in numbers and quality continues, but its really nothing unusual at the moment.

Even though it was in February when I visited Pattaya, I though it would be worthwhile and post a report of my two nights stay and the different experiences I had from my visit a year before. When I left Pattaya in January 2014 after a week's stay, I left angry and disappointed. Could not even stand the sound of the Thai language. I learned that the higher one's expectations are the more one is setting himself up for disappointment. This year, rather than stay two weeks in Pattaya, I opted to stay most of my vacation in Angeles City.

After arriving in Pattaya and getting a SIM card, true to form I bought a small bottle of Thai whisky, most of which I drank before venturing out on my own. Prior I contacted a fellow countryman I met last year and Mr. E for a get together next day. Afterwards, I think it was Living Dolls Go Go bar that I visited, where I barely got in the entrance when I was grabbed by a young, bleached blond spinner dancer who dragged me to a seat. Have to admit I think she was the nicest looking. She did some suggestive dancing on the stage and came back to the seat to get a drink. For some reason I had a brain fart, and instead of bar fining her I told her to fuck off and left the bar to check out the Walking Street. I think I was annoyed that she frequently kept leaving the seat to go dancing on the stage. Instead, I decided to see what was available on the Beach Rd, but never made it there, as I stopped at a beer bar just prior to the Walking Street entrance and decided to take an older provider (early30's). After all the young girls in AC, I was looking for something different. After, I picked her up I had problems finding my hotel as I did not remember on which Soi 13 it was located. Hmm, Thai whisky really does fuck me up. The girl was nice enough but service was unremarkable. Also, could have something to do with my level of intoxication?! When she left in the morning she told me to visit her next day at work, even only to talk. Nice. On my first full day in Pattaya I decided to check out Beach Rd; where there were really delicious food snacks for sale. The squid / calamari and shrimp were to die for. After eating I decided to check out Soi Honey, and as I passed the large Honey soapie establishment I was literally grabbed and pushed onto a girl standing outside another smaller parlour. I remember last year walking by this place and the young cute girls averting their eyes when I looked at them. What a difference a year makes. This girl was a 21 year old cutie, and I decided to go for some afternoon delight. The place had curtain partitions, and once we sat on the mattress she said they provided only special services. Asked her about the name of this place, and she said it was up to me. I thought she did not understand my question and after couple of more attempts it dawned on me that the place was called "up to you" duh. Went for a shower and then for some special activities. I really liked this girl as she was quite nice to look at and had a good attitude. I asked her about the barfine. I think she said 350 baht, and then she said that we could go dancing. Sweet. Went back to my hotel room to rest before the evening activities.

Met up with my friend and went to check out Soi 6. He said it was the quietest he has ever seen it (end of February) -maybe because of the raids. We settled in a bar for a brew. Girls were nice, and I showed some of my photos from AC. He was rather pleased and is considering a future trip to the Philippines. My friend left as he had to get up early for a golf game. After a while Mr. E and his friend came, and I have to say Mr. E is both a scholar and a gentleman. I was treated to most of my drinks, and after riding his bike to the Walking street, we checked out the main disco / freelance scenes and for my benefit we also visited the Windmill where I briefly got a mouthful and eyeful of pussy. Nice and raunchy as I remembered it. Eventually, by the end of the night we all parted our different ways. I hang out at WS for few minutes while eating some tasty samosas. On the way out of WS, I asked one cute spinner if she is willing to come with me. She said ok for 2000 baht. I said that was too much, and she replied to get someone else. I politely said that is fine, and two minutes later came across a young, tiny spinner in a supper short and tight red dress. She said she was 20 years old and asked 1000 baht. This girl was a perfect spinner, and cute as a button. Got her back to my hotel and the moment I got into her she started screaming non stop. I would not want to be my neighbour. This was a fine and loudest piece of ass I ever had. You never know what you get in Pattaya. After all was said and done, I paid her and sent her off. I needed some quiet time and rest.

Next day I again went to the Beach Rd and feasted on the food and relaxed watching the beach activities. I was pretty well packed as I had to leave around 10:30 pm for Bangkok. After couple of beers while gazing at the ocean, I decided to check out my regular bar from last year-the Quickie bar. On the way I met my favourite 19 year old Beach Rd girl, that I had several sessions with last year. She remembered my name and the place where I stayed. We exchanged phone numbers, and I moved on to Soi 6 and the Quickie bar There were completely different girls working there, and managed by a different owner. The only person I recognized was a middle aged Thai woman who was part of the management last year. A young, thin pretty 21 year old approached me and I offered to buy her drink while texting Mr. E to let him know that I was at Soi 6. After a while I took her up to a room. The bathroom upstairs was renovated and had a nice shower. Service was nice and I returned downstairs to have more drinks while keeping the girl company and waiting for Mr. E, who showed up with another friend at the bar next door. After saying my farewells I stepped over to I think Sunshine bar? Where Mr. E and his companion were drinking coke. I joined them and had a coke myself. I don't like to drink alcohol just before or during flights. While enjoying the company and the drink, one of the older girls (can't remember whether she was our waitress or not) persistently wanted me to use her services. She also pointed out that my T shirt was inside out, and figured out I must have been up to no good next door. After briefly consulting with Mr. E, I decided to hop on a bike and take the woman with me and get my fifth bang in Pattaya. The airport taxi had to wait for me for 20 minutes but the girl was worth it. On the way out of the hotel I even managed to get a phone number from a cute hotel employee. All in all a much better, if not excellent experience in Pattaya. Go figure!

[QUOTE=Oterri;1753688]I have witnessed and read reports of big drop in freelancer numbers on beach road even during good weather season do wondering how bad things are now a days.

Is it raining every evening now a days in Pattaya? And if yes I wonder how to find the beach road freelancers? Do they work during the day or start early around 4 pm to get business or are most of them gone currently due to rains? Can someone with boots on the ground please clarify?[/QUOTE]I was out there last night. Plenty of talent. Counted 4 girls I would go with and 1 super cutie walking from Mike's to WS.

Numbers up probably because it was a budhist holiday and there was alcohol ban and most bars were closed.

Was not partaking as I was taking after dinner stroll with my regular. But I will be flying solo tonight and will look for that super cutie.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle V.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1754224]I learned that the higher one's expectations are the more one is setting himself up for disappointment.[/QUOTE]

Congratulations! You have single-handedly (re)discovered two of the four noble truths of Buddhism: "there is suffering" and "the source of suffering is craving".

Now, continue on this path and try to discover the other two and you will be well on your way to enlightenment.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1753247]A very late response to your question wild bill but I am researching Pattaya for a September trip and unlike some who come here and try to demand answers to their questions without reading the forum. I do go back and read countless posts. For this upcoming trip to Pattaya I have gone back 70 pages here and I am reading forward. A newbie to Pattaya I am not, this is my 8th trip and last one was July of 2014 so it just infuriates me when people with little posts don't do their own research.

Now rant finished a few shout outs for the first 30 pages of review and then to your question bill.

Wild Bill- great reports man, especially your overall reviews after the trip. Despite having spent about 6 months in total of my life in Pattaya I learned from your posts.

Mr. E and Uncle V, thanks to you guys and others for your contributions as well.

Now onto your question.

It depends on what you like, and it seems you have a case of yellow fever so your list will be different from a buddy of mine who can't stand asians. I myself am a lover of cute little asian girls and curvy Latinas but don't like at all tall 6 foot gorgeous blondes just not my thing.

After mongering in Buenos Aires, Rio, Havana, Costa Rica, Panama city, Medelln, Cartagena, Bogot, Lima, Tijuana, Guatemala, Nicaragua, St Maarten, Germany, Holland, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, China, Macau, philippines, dubai and a few others my list is as follows:.[/QUOTE]I could not agree more with all of this. Especially the comment on the Help disco. What a legacy!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1754240]... But I will be flying solo tonight and will look for that super cutie..[/QUOTE]Its boots on the ground for you already Uncle V? I didn't realise that right at the beginning of August we would find you in Pattaya. Looking forward to a bunch of great reports. I am going to miss not being able to visit Pattaya this year.

Hi guys,

I have been a long time reader of this forum and want to thank all of the long term members for all of the useful posts!

I have done many trips to Patong in Phuket and have always loved it and was hesitant to go to Pattaya because I only have 4 days and each trip and never wanted to ruin my time if I didn't like Pattaya. In saying that after reading the last 50 to 100 pages of the Pattaya forum I have bitten the bullet and booked my trip to Pattaya this Sunday for 4 nights. I am really looking forward to it and keen to get my mongering on!

I am staying at the Areca and WiFi is important for me for work so I will post my experience at the end of next week after my stay.

I know this isn't the trip announcement forum but I am keen to buy a beer for any other mongers in Pattaya from the 9th to 13th August.

BillyBob

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1755259]Hi guys,

I have been a long time reader of this forum and want to thank all of the long term members for all of the useful posts!

I have done many trips to Patong in Phuket and have always loved it and was hesitant to go to Pattaya because I only have 4 days and each trip and never wanted to ruin my time if I didn't like Pattaya. In saying that after reading the last 50 to 100 pages of the Pattaya forum I have bitten the bullet and booked my trip to Pattaya this Sunday for 4 nights. I am really looking forward to it and keen to get my mongering on!

I am staying at the Areca and WiFi is important for me for work so I will post my experience at the end of next week after my stay.

I know this isn't the trip announcement forum but I am keen to buy a beer for any other mongers in Pattaya from the 9th to 13th August.

BillyBob[/QUOTE]Let us know how the WiFi is at the Areca. I'll never stay there again if they haven't improved it!

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1755102]Its boots on the ground for you already Uncle V? I didn't realise that right at the beginning of August we would find you in Pattaya. Looking forward to a bunch of great reports. I am going to miss not being able to visit Pattaya this year.[/QUOTE]Thanks my friend. Yes I am 7 days in and have plenty of adventures to report. But not a whole lot of time to file a proper FR as I am also trying to get work done during the day.

General impressions: the place is pretty packed. Especially for "low season". Plenty of cuties around. Number of stunners at I-bar has dipped a bit, but quality on Soi 6 has improved: some real cuties at Perry's, Spiders, Nightwish and Sexy in the City right now.

BR remains about the same. Took one back last night for 700. Looked good on the road but when I got her back not so great. Gave good service but was happy when she left.

Will post in a few days wen I find some breathing room.

Stay horny my friends!

Uncle-V.

I will be embarking on my first out of country journey to Pattaya Thailand, I will be going for 14 days, however, I do not know much about the scene yet. I will mostly try to limit myself to Pattaya. If you guys can help me out with general tips, advice, and overall budgeting that would be fantastic. Some general questions that I have are:

- Best way to get from Bangkok airport to Pattaya.

- How much I should pay for one provider for an overnight date.

- What areas to stay away from.

- How not to be seen as a newbie.

- How much money I should set aside for two weeks in Pattaya, really helpful if you could include a low end budget and a high end budget so I can get a general idea.

- Average cost of providers.

- Best places to go in Pattaya.

- Other general tips / advice.

Thanks you guys! Can't wait.

Hi guys,

Going to Pattaya during those dates. Any of our members are there during those dates?

[QUOTE=Fleet180;1756675]- Best way to get from Bangkok airport to Pattaya.
- What areas to stay away from.
- How much money I should set aside for two weeks in Pattaya, really helpful if you could include a low end budget and a high end budget so I can get a general idea.
- Best places to go in Pattaya.
- Other general tips / advice.[/QUOTE]I recommend using a bus to travel to Pattaya. This might be slightly less convenient than your own taxi but saves a lot of money. And does not take that much longer. I used Bell Travel before and was satisfied with their service.

[URL]https://www.belltravelservice.com/[/URL]

With areas to avoid I'll refer to areas for your hotel search. Naklua and Jomtien are quite far away from the action and can cause trouble when trying to find a transport to get you around. Same the eastern areas close to Sukhumvit and east of it.

Easiest for a newbie is certainly inside the Songtaew circle (fountain, beach road, and in front of walking street back on 2nd road) or within walking distance to it.

In general Pattaya is a quite safe place. Probably avoid walking late night at dark corners on the beach especially if you are drunken already.

Streets with nightlife can be noisy at night. So consider when booking.

The money you will spent depends a lot on your lifestyle. I don't have up to date prices, but expect ST to be around 700-1 k and LT 2 k-3 k. It depends whether you pick up in beer bars, gogos or on the street. So you can easily do the math how many providers you'll have every day. Hotel is anywhere from 500-5000 a night. With 1500 you can get quite nice rooms.

Beer is roughly 100, Ladydrinks a bit more. So depends on how much you drink and how many you'll invite. With 300 be / person you can get an excellent meal (Thai food). 30 be if you go for a cheap food stall street side.

Don't try riding a motor bike if you are no experienced driver already. I know many people who hurt themselves by trying to learn it in Thailand.

Locations to visit again depend on your taste. You'll find plenty of hints in the forum. I personally like the daytime action in Soi 6 as it's straight forward and hassle free. Others prefer beer bars (like hose in Soi 7 or similar places). Others the gogos in the Walking street area. Up to your taste.

[QUOTE=Fleet180;1756675]- How not to be seen as a newbie.[/QUOTE]First try reading the forum. Every question you asked has been answered many times here.

I've spent about 6 months in Pattaya in total the last 5 years and I still went back and read the last 110 pages of reports here.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1752516]I found everyone from beer bars was glad to do long time, but not so much at gogos. At a lot of gogos, all wanted short time, none wanted long time. (I never ran into anyone who claimed to be on their period) How would one be better able to persuade women to long time?[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the go go dancers seemed to be all ST when I was there. I suspected some of the beer bar girls might do all night. The problem is most of the beer bar girls in Pattaya were kind of average looking, not nearly as sharp as the go go dancers, when I was last there a few years ago. The exception was the beer bars close to Walking Street, or on Walking Street. I saw some good looking girls there. I hope some of those girls do all night.

Someone mentioned to check the Beachroad area for LT. I'm not too familiar with that area. Can someone give more details of where on where is Beachroad and which places there to find LT?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1752416]Henry, you only had to look 10 posts before your question to see LT is available at the clubs on Walking Street. Someone was quoted 30,000 baht for LT. lol

Real price 1000-5000 baht depending on whether you want LT from a FL, bar girl, massage girl, or coyote girl available at all adult establishments.[/QUOTE]I checked 10 posts before mine. The guy wrote about Russian clubs that are a total ripoff. Not really an answer to my question.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1757215]I checked 10 posts before mine. The guy wrote about Russian clubs that are a total ripoff. Not really an answer to my question.[/QUOTE]Buddy, I'm going for the first time in August and I am going to be blunt here, you're going to have to put some effort in to the research. Believe me it is well worth it. Going back 10 posts is not going to cut it. Our fellow mongers are super helpful and do an awesome job of putting up some incredibly detailed information, to which I am totally grateful.

Every one of your questions has been answered in extreme detail to which I have copied and pasted notes that I will print out and bring with me. Just go to the reports of distinction and start there.

At Uncle V, good to see you're on the ground already, looking forward to meeting up.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1757210] I'm not too familiar with that area. Can someone give more details of where on where is Beachroad and which places there to find LT?[/QUOTE]Just walk along the beach side of Beach Road from about Soi 10 to Walking Street. Lots of ladies to select from.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Fleet180;1756675]I will be embarking on my first out of country journey to Pattaya Thailand, I will be going for 14 days, however, I do not know much about the scene yet. I will mostly try to limit myself to Pattaya. If you guys can help me out with general tips, advice, and overall budgeting that would be fantastic. Some general questions that I have are:

- Best way to get from Bangkok airport to Pattaya.

- How much I should pay for one provider for an overnight date.

- What areas to stay away from.

- How not to be seen as a newbie.

- How much money I should set aside for two weeks in Pattaya, really helpful if you could include a low end budget and a high end budget so I can get a general idea.

- Average cost of providers.

- Best places to go in Pattaya.

- Other general tips / advice.

Thanks you guys! Can't wait.[/QUOTE]For a guy with a total of one post you sure are asking for a lot. How about you begin with a little research and do your homework, instead of asking to be spoon fed.

SW4.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1757210]I agree with you that the go go dancers seemed to be all ST when I was there. I suspected some of the beer bar girls might do all night. The problem is most of the beer bar girls in Pattaya were kind of average looking, not nearly as sharp as the go go dancers, when I was last there a few years ago. The exception was the beer bars close to Walking Street, or on Walking Street. I saw some good looking girls there. I hope some of those girls do all night.

Someone mentioned to check the Beachroad area for LT. I'm not too familiar with that area. Can someone give more details of where on where is Beachroad and which places there to find LT?[/QUOTE]Agogo dancers do LT all the time. Even the featured dancers!

In the last 5 years I have barfined close to 100 agogo dancers and 80% of them did LT. One page back on post #17329 was my response to Red Doggers comment.

I finally did it. I book the Trip I made the flight and I touched down in Pattaya yesterday evening.

Here is what I gathered the first night.

I booked the Eastin Hotel. OK joint located on 8 alley behind the huge mall. This hotel looks super nice, but like all things, looks can be deceiving. Aside from its price its the only thing about it that's 4 Star. Rooms are nice enough and located in a really decent area (easy to walk out and be right in the Action) but the location is at night the go go and live bands might keep you up an hour or two later then you would. On top of that. I made the very rookie mistake of not booking the hotel for 2. (I have bad experiences in Japanese hotels when you book for 2 they double the price of the room.) So in order to have guests I have to fork over a extra 1000 bh per person. And there's no getting around that cause security is everywhere. Lessons learned for next trip LOL.

I got to the hotel around 9, showed, and started on my adventure. True to previous reports there are a lot of girls out last night. Bars and Gogo's around the 8th and 7th alleys where overflowing with them. It was hard to walk down the street with them stepping in my way trying to cat call and rope me into their establishment.

Eventually through my exploring of the alleys and the beach I got dragged into a bar on 7 alley. Rolling "something" was the name as I had been drinking after that long flight and bus ride to loosen myself up. I was sat down by a thicker Thai girl calling herself "apple" with nice curves in the right places, tiny blue short shorts and fake DD breast popping out of her small tub top. She sat me down and we chatted about a couple topics. 6 drinks down (4 for me 2 for her at 130 bh) I asked to bar fine her. She told me to pay my tab and give her 1000 bh and I could have her for ST. I agreed but told her she had to find hotel cause I wasn't about to pay another 1000 bh to that damn hotel. She told me she knew a place and I would have to pay hotel (300 bh) I agreed and we were off.

We hope on a bike get to the hotel and begin the deed. Her breast where fake but I am a sucker for top heavy girls. I was disappointed at no BBBJ but all and all it was a good fuck. After I played with her tits for like 30 mins straight and got to blow 2 loads on her chest, I called it a night. I walked her back to her bar and went back to my hotel that was around the corner. I originally set out the night with 3000 bh. And ended up coming back with 700 bh in my pocket so it was a win for me. With so good a first night. (imo) I am extremely hopeful of my next 6 nights. Next spots to check out is Soi 6 and the gogos of walking street!

I want to give really big shout outs to Wild Bill and Uncle V and all the other senior posters here that has given a ton of valuable info to fellow mongers like us.

[QUOTE=DarkNeko69;1757324] On top of that. I made the very rookie mistake of not booking the hotel for 2. (I have bad experiences in Japanese hotels when you book for 2 they double the price of the room.) So in order to have guests I have to fork over a extra 1000 bh per person. And there's no getting around that cause security is everywhere. Lessons learned for next trip LOL. [/QUOTE]You are being scammed. According to their web site the rooms are for 2. There's no price difference if you book a room for 1 person or for 2 persons.
Ask for the manager or find yourself another hotel. It's low season so that should be easy.

PS: 1000 B is a lot. It's 3 days minimum wage.

Thanks for the report! I wish all newbies started like this.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;1757240]
Every one of your questions has been answered in extreme detail to which I have copied and pasted notes that I will print out and bring with me.[/QUOTE]I never print out notes anymore. I upload them to a cloud service and once on the ground I download them. I don't want customs or immigration find my monger notes if they pick me for a security check.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1757432]I never print out notes anymore. I upload them to a cloud service and once on the ground I download them. I don't want customs or immigration find my monger notes if they pick me for a security check.[/QUOTE]Agreed, actually that is what I meant to say. I have pasted them into evernote. My brain was thinking print but will actually stay in the cloud.

Hi guys,

Heading to Pattaya next month. Just wanted to know how the treatment towards Indians is, I am an Indian and I don't want to go to a bar and be turned down.

I have been going to Pattaya for the past 4 years about twice a year and I always have a great time, but last time I was there which was back in February I had some of problems trying to get a Gogo girl on walking street to go back to my hotel for LT. Now I am in my mid thirties and consider myself average to good looking. What I normally do on a night out is hit a few Gogos until I find one I like, buy drinks for the girls and throw a few baht balls at them for fun, then around midnight to 1 am I look at asking a girl to go LT with me, but last time I was in Walking street gogos I had a lot of problems trying to get a girl to go back with me for LT, most would say only 1 or 2 hrs short time, and come up with all sort of reason why they cannot do LT.

Does anyone know why they do this? Are they not interested in making extra money for LT or are they just happy with there lady drinks and baht balls? I found it very strange and have found that Walking street gogo girl are now do this more and more.

I would love someone to enlighten me before I return next month, maybe I am doing it all wrong.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1758161]Does anyone know why they do this? Are they not interested in making extra money for LT or are they just happy with there lady drinks and baht balls? I found it very strange and have found that Walking street gogo girl are now do this more and more..[/QUOTE]Superboy your tactics for securing a LT with agogo dancer sound fine. It's pretty much what I do. As long as it's after midnight I would think your success rate should be high. Before that time the girls are wondering if they can turn you quick enough so they can catch another barfine before closing.

Sounds like you visit frequently enough but how long do you stay? I stay for a month usually so maybe my ratio of LT is higher just because I stay longer? What helps me is that I start bar hopping around 8 pm. And I will hit 3-4 gogos before midnight without the intention of BFing anyone. But I buy some LDs for the girls I like and mamasan and then at 9 pm I leave and repeat at next bar until midnight. Every night I go to a different bar after midnight and I know 3 possible girls I'm thinking about. And the more important part is they know me as does mamasan. By this time I've spent an hour with the girl several times and the mamasan know me and know I'm a LT kinda guy so that might help too?

Just a few ideas.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1758161]Does anyone know why they do this? Are they not interested in making extra money for LT or are they just happy with there lady drinks and baht balls? I found it very strange and have found that Walking street gogo girl are now do this more and more.

I would love someone to enlighten me before I return next month, maybe I am doing it all wrong.[/QUOTE]I don't know but it is not always about the money. Do you really want to take someone who does not want to stay with you? Chicks know I am a butterfly, but they still get mad when I don't tell them to come over. Then guess what? I finally get a spot for them in my schedule and instead they have to go to parties and everything else. Then the next day how was the party? Oh I ended up not going. And see that is why your ass won't get another chance to come over. Don't take it personal, just move on to the next one. There are plenty.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1758161]Does anyone know why they do this? Are they not interested in making extra money for LT or are they just happy with there lady drinks and baht balls? I found it very strange and have found that Walking street gogo girl are now do this more and more.

I would love someone to enlighten me before I return next month, maybe I am doing it all wrong.[/QUOTE]Does it mean the girls are became more honest than before?

Most go go girls are bluffer, they get agree for LT but but after one sex most are start to excuse to skip the LT and want to run away with or without ripping your money. If they disagree for LT I would say they became honest under some pressure?

It is just my experience.

[QUOTE=JohnnyNeedsMor;1758139]Hi guys,

Heading to Pattaya next month. Just wanted to know how the treatment towards Indians is, I am an Indian and I don't want to go to a bar and be turned down.[/QUOTE]Does anyone else feel like there should be a separate thread started that is dedicated to this issue?

In summary:

In the past so many of your brethren have displayed such obnoxious and abhorrent social behavior that a (well earned) negative reputation has already been established. The stories and experiences are so pervasive and universal that many ladies and establishments will dismiss you outright.

You can partially combat these perceptions by: acting civil and courteously, dressing smartly, treating the woman with respect, not being cheap, not traveling in a pack with other Indians, treating the women with respect, finding a farang wingman, moving on in the face of rejection, being prepared to put in extra effort, treating the woman with respect, and in general not acting like an asshole towards everyone you come into contact with.

Did I mention treating the woman with respect?

SL.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1753241]I was just wondering what the girl or club action will be like for Pattaya over the next two days as it is supposed to be Big Buddha days? For example will the Devils Den be open on either Thursday or Friday?[/QUOTE]When I was there 10 days ago, practically all the Gogos were closed on the evening of the 31st, like club Lucifer, Sensations, etc. However, many bars were open, like P72, where me, my brother & his Thai wife had cokes because alcohol wasn't being served. Plus there was a big downpour that Friday evening. But that didn't put a damper on the tour groups.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1758301]Does anyone else feel like there should be a separate thread started that is dedicated to this issue?

In summary:

In the past so many of your brethren have displayed such obnoxious and abhorrent social behavior that a (well earned) negative reputation has already been established. The stories and experiences are so pervasive and universal that many ladies and establishments will dismiss you outright.

You can partially combat these perceptions by: acting civil and courteously, dressing smartly, treating the woman with respect, not being cheap, not traveling in a pack with other Indians, treating the women with respect, finding a farang wingman, moving on in the face of rejection, being prepared to put in extra effort, treating the woman with respect, and in general not acting like an asshole towards everyone you come into contact with.

Did I mention treating the woman with respect?

SL.[/QUOTE]Well said. If they dedicate a separate thread for this subject, this should be the first post. It would save the rest of us a lot of time.

Hey guys,

Anyone in Pattaya during those dates? Would love to meet up.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1758301]Does anyone else feel like there should be a separate thread started that is dedicated to this issue?

In summary:

In the past so many of your brethren have displayed such obnoxious and abhorrent social behavior that a (well earned) negative reputation has already been established. The stories and experiences are so pervasive and universal that many ladies and establishments will dismiss you outright.

You can partially combat these perceptions by: acting civil and courteously, dressing smartly, treating the woman with respect, not being cheap, not traveling in a pack with other Indians, treating the women with respect, finding a farang wingman, moving on in the face of rejection, being prepared to put in extra effort, treating the woman with respect, and in general not acting like an asshole towards everyone you come into contact with.

Did I mention treating the woman with respect?

SL.[/QUOTE]Hi JNM, what SL2 says is absolutely true but let that not disheartten you. Very few places may turn you down, just take that on your chin and move on. There are plenty of girls and bars where you will be welcome and will have great time in. I wouldn't worry about it. However, PLEASE do pay attention the words of wisdom from SL2.

Superboy1, are you Indian by chance?

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1758161]I had a lot of problems trying to get a girl to go back with me for LT, most would say only 1 or 2 hrs short time, and come up with all sort of reason why they cannot do LT.
[/QUOTE]I think this question could apply to anywhere, not just Pattaya. 23 years ago LT was all there was. ST did not really exist. However the trend has been more and more to ST over the years. I rarely do LT unless I have a very special girl that I am very keen on.

Reasons not to do LT for the girl:

1. You do not offer enough money.

2. She is scared you will want to fuck all night.

3. She cannot sleep if in unfamiliar surroundings.

4. She doesn't know if she is comfortable with you as yet.

5. She has to get home to her child, her mother, her sister, her boyfriend, or whoever.

6. She wants to meet friends for party or disco after work.

7. Its a secret she is doing this job and is expected home at a certain time.

8. She can do 3 to 4 STs in one night and make much more money.

Etc.

I am sure I forgot some reasons. Plenty of girls don't like to do LT and can be difficult to persuade. I have sometimes successfully arranged for a girl to come back to me in the morning, however this is not reliable.

I suggest you always take ST first up, and once you know each other then can move to LT if she is willing and money is right.

Find out where you can get a fuck in the morning if you need it. Also collect phone numbers of girls that might be willing to visit you for a breakfast fuck.

I am celebrating a major birthday in about a week's time (one with a zero at the end) and I am panicking a little because I still have not managed to set anything up.

I would really value your help. Yes, I know I am going to get some RT*F forum type replies but nevertheless.

My ideal scenario would be to take two or even three young (20's), skinny, tall and fairly pretty girls out for dinner and then to a few discos before going back to a hotel with a king size bed for an all-nighter.

It would be preferable if the girls were happy to dress and act a bit slutty for the night out.

The sort of activities that I would hope that these girls would do once we got back to the room would be:

[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping.

[U]Highly desirable.[/U]

-I can film, bareback sex, cum in pussy, creampie eating, real lesbian show (pussy licking, 69, pussy grinding).

[U]Desirable.[/U]

-Bareback anal, cum in ass, arse to mouth.

It would be great if the girls could speak some English at least to get by.

I have thought of looking for these girls in various places.

[U]Brothels[/U]

There are some massage places and there is the brothel Devil's Den where the girls would definitely do rimming and probably cum swapping. But often these girls are not particularly attractive compared to the go go bar girls, are known for being a bit mechanical, they definitely will never bareback and for overnight service the price rises astronomically far more than the go go bar girls.

[U]The go go bars[/U]

I am happy to pay their high prices but it would take a lot of hard work and time to find girls who are guaranteed to do all of the things on the list for real once they get back to the room. It would also cost a fortune in lady drinks to interview different girls. Many of these go go bar girls won't even do BBBJs any more. Also, many / most of the really gorgeous ones will not be bar fined.

I could enlist the help of the mamasan at the bars however it might be a bit embarrassing discussing the explicit items on the list and also how would she know if the girls actually did these things.

If there are any recommendations for any girls from particular bars who will do pretty much all of the items on the list or any particular bars then that would be gratefully received. I was thinking of trying places like Happy, Baccara, Iron Club.

[U]Escort agencies[/U]

I have no experience of these and they can be very expensive, charging western type prices for overnight which would be much more expensive than you would get in the go go bars. However they would cut down on the legwork of going round the different bars and asking repetitive questions as you could see what each girl would do (although I doubt whether they would list bareback). If anyone had any recommendations for any reliable ones?

[U]Dating agencies/social media sites[/U]

I have no experience of these for Thailand. If anyone had any recommendations for any reliable ones?

[U]Soi 6[/U]

I think I would have more joy here in running through the items on the list as the girls would probably do most of them compared to go go bar girls. However the Soi 6 girls are geared towards short time and don't really want to do long time. Also generally they are not optically as pleasing as the go go bar girls.

[U]Freelancers[/U]

There are numerous freelancers who would party and do long time for a reasonable price however it would be hard work trying to find two who would be willing to do everything on the list.

[U]Beach road, beer bars[/U]

I am ruling these out as I am unlikely to find the quality.

I will only be in Thailand for 3 days before my birthday so I won't have much time to interview different girls at different bars to find the ones that would do what I want. I think it would take at least a week to build up contacts.

[U]Bangkok vs. Pattaya[/U]

I am undecided as to whether to definitely party in Pattaya or Bangkok. The girls in Bangkok are probably better looking overall and the night clubs are better but the go go bars and the night clubs are spread out so you can't do a bar / nightclub crawl like in Pattaya.

Any help that any one could provide with regards to the above would be gratefully received.

[QUOTE=Johnie;1758371]Superboy1, are you Indian by chance?

Johnie.[/QUOTE]No Johnie, I am not Indian, I am British.

Thanks for all your advice to my post guys. I never stress about it when I am there trying to enjoy myself. I just wanted to know if there was a reason for this, I guess I will just change my tactics a little when I am there next month and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]
[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping.

[U]Highly desirable.[/U]

-I can film, bareback sex, cum in pussy, creampie eating, real lesbian show (pussy licking, 69, pussy grinding).

[U]Desirable.[/U]

-Bareback anal, cum in ass, arse to mouth.

[/QUOTE]You list some activities that would be repulsive to Thai girls and most people. You must have been watching too much X rated porn. I wonder why guys want women to do such denigrating things, not to mention risky for their life if you happen to have serious diseases?

Normal Thai girls are into extreme cleanliness, and will find you abhorrent if you want all these things, e. G. Arse to mouth. What you talk about is not "playboy" style, its low class porno movie style, produced for the guys that want extreme, and find normal sex boring. Its about the thrill of forcing women to do abhorrent things that they might not want to do.

For me, its about finding hot girls, and having some consideration for what things the girl likes doing or is at least comfortable with doing. If she wants you to fuck her ass, great, but unlikely to be without condom, unless she has Aids already or you get tested first. You can probably find some very ugly girl with HIV already that will do everything you want for money.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]
[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping.

[U]Highly desirable.[/U]

-I can film, bareback sex, cum in pussy, creampie eating, real lesbian show (pussy licking, 69, pussy grinding).

[U]Desirable.[/U]

-Bareback anal, cum in ass, arse to mouth.

It would be great if the girls could speak some English at least to get by.

I have thought of looking for these girls in various places.



Any help that any one could provide with regards to the above would be gratefully received.[/QUOTE]Your only chance to find women who would do this is to find drug addicted freelancers.

If you fuck them in the ass bareback, you are crazy.

Can someone give me the names of a few places which give equal service and prices as Tupils, Mango, Snow White, Cherry, and now Candy's massage in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1758301]Does anyone else feel like there should be a separate thread started that is dedicated to this issue?

In summary:

In the past so many of your brethren have displayed such obnoxious and abhorrent social behavior that a (well earned) negative reputation has already been established. The stories and experiences are so pervasive and universal that many ladies and establishments will dismiss you outright.

You can partially combat these perceptions by: acting civil and courteously, dressing smartly, treating the woman with respect, not being cheap, not traveling in a pack with other Indians, treating the women with respect, finding a farang wingman, moving on in the face of rejection, being prepared to put in extra effort, treating the woman with respect, and in general not acting like an asshole towards everyone you come into contact with.

Did I mention treating the woman with respect?

SL.[/QUOTE]I think this being the result of their (Indians however have no monopoly) indigenous cultural upbringing it would be better to get SL as a wingman? Tutor?

Hey folks,

I am visiting Pattaya on 4th and 5th Sept. Wanted to know if anyone is around and wants to party!

Cheers,

Simba

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]

[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping.

[U]Highly desirable.[/U]

-I can film, bareback sex, cum in pussy, creampie eating, real lesbian show (pussy licking, 69, pussy grinding).

[U]Desirable.[/U]

-Bareback anal, cum in ass, arse to mouth.

It would be great if the girls could speak some English at least to get by..[/QUOTE]Myrrh,

I can appreciate your desire for an amazing birthday party. Every year I try to have a huge kinky fuckfest too and not just in the birthdays ending in zero.

I am not going to condemn you for your listed items because we all have different items that turn us on and I try not to criticize other people's wishes. Your list of items though will be amazingly hard to come close to completing.

Pattaya vs Bangkok? Pattaya all the way.

Most of the places you listed as possible places to search will result in you maybe achieving 10% of the list. And the amount of time taking for the interviews? Wow exhausting.

Gogo bars- I just can't see many of these girls doing more than a few things on your list. The gogo girls in my opinion are among the more attractive girls found in Pattaya but they are not usually porn stars in bed at all.

Soi 6- easy to take these girls LT if you want. Just give them more money and show them a good time. You will get a few more things from your list with these girls but as you said they are generally not as hot as the top gogo girls.

Escort agency- sorry I have never used one in Thailand but there will be so much uncertainty of what you get and the price will be very high.

Dating site or social media- you will get almost nothing done on your list. How would this work? This is how I see that going.

Myrrh- Hello, you are pretty, my name is myrrh.

Noi- Hi my name is Noi. Nice meet you too. You handsome man too.

Myrrh- I am coming to Thailand soon to celebrate my birthday.

Noi- Thailand beautiful country, good for celebrate.

Myrrh- yes I would like to go out and party all night long!

Noi- I like party too mak mak.

Myrrh- you can come with me.

Noi- yes I love to do.

Myrrh- where should we go.

Noi- up to you.

Myrrh- do you have 2-3 friends that you can bring too?

Noi- why? You friends come too.

Myrrh- no just me.

Noi- I don't know, I am good girl not bargirl OK.

Myrrh- I would also like to shove my cock in your ass, without a condom of course, cum inside of it and then pull it out so you and your friends can lick and swap my cum mixed with your ass juice while I film it.

Noi- .

Myrrh- Noi are you still there?

Myrrh- Noi?

Beach road- you will find some skanky freaks that will do a bunch of the things you listed BUT they will not be attractive and will have no problem with your bareback request because how can you give them HIV if they already have it?

Freelancers- are you talking girls from Insomnia or somewhere else that you pick up? You will get a few things at most, at most from these girls.

Devils den- in my opinion your best option by far. Yes I agree the girls aren't the most attractive but quite a few are decent. They will do everything listed in their profiles. No bareback stuff but you will get cum swapping, anal sex, real lesbian show and more. They will NOT allow filming though. I've always had a decent time with the girls from DD. And in fact my arrival to Pattaya in two weeks I have 4 girls going to join a buddy and me in the large jacuzzi suite at penthouse. Their cost for all night is 4000 or something like that. It is really not higher at all than a gogo dancer where her BF is 1000 and her LT is 3000. And if you have read the last page of posts we have been talking about gogo girls not wanting LT too much these days and that is with someone like super boy that is young and treats the girls nice, buys them drinks and presumably doesn't ask them if he can ATM the girl and film it.

I am sorry to say that you have a zero chance of getting what you want and that is the hottest gogo girl giving you an unreal pornstar experience and filming it. Simply zero. However, if you adjust your expectations I am sure you can have a very hot, fun and exciting night.

Devils Den is your best choice. I have had a few real raunchy nights with the girls from there and it included almost everything on your list except for the filming and bareback. Book a penthouse suite and as many girls as you can afford from DD and just go for it.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]I am celebrating a major birthday in about a week's time (one with a zero at the end) and I am panicking a little because I still have not managed to set anything up.

I would really value your help. Yes, I know I am going to get some RT*F forum type replies but nevertheless.

My ideal scenario would be to take two or even three young (20's), skinny, tall and fairly pretty girls out for dinner and then to a few discos before going back to a hotel with a king size bed for an all-nighter.

It would be preferable if the girls were happy to dress and act a bit slutty for the night out.

The sort of activities that I would hope that these girls would do once we got back to the room would be:

[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping...[/QUOTE]Wild guess would be a couple of African chicks from the south end do Beach Rd. The aggravation in finding a pair of Thai girls to even go down on each other would make it not worth the effort. Spontaneous and them being drunk would be the keys for pulling this off.

Myrrh, seems like a lot of work and stress on your birthday. Better just enjoying your birthday with a girl you enjoy spending time with and seek what you're asking at the Germany AO clubs.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1758903]Noi- I don't know, I am good girl not bargirl OK.

Myrrh- I would also like to shove my cock in your ass, without a condom of course, cum inside of it and then pull it out so you and your friends can lick and swap my cum mixed with your ass juice while I film it.

Noi- .

Myrrh- Noi are you still there?

Myrrh- Noi?[/QUOTE]LOL. Good one.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]The sort of activities that I would hope that these girls would do once we got back to the room would be:

[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping.

[U]Highly desirable.[/U]

-I can film, bareback sex, cum in pussy, creampie eating, real lesbian show (pussy licking, 69, pussy grinding).

[U]Desirable.[/U]

-Bareback anal, cum in ass, arse to mouth.

It would be great if the girls could speak some English at least to get by.

I have thought of looking for these girls in various places.[/QUOTE]Myrrh,

Imagine yourself and a mate in "these girls" place for a minute. Then imagine being picked for dinner and dancing by up a skanky Beach Road LB. And then imagine her requiring those activities from the both of you. All night long. In a king sized bed. Because it's her birthday.

But not to worry; you'll both be getting paid. Not an astronomical amount though. Only what she thinks you are worth. Oh and yes; she might or might not tell you that she practices unsafe sex on a regular basis.

Repulsed yet?

SunLover.

Haven't been to Pattaya for a few years, and planning to go soon. Question: are the deckchairs and umbrellas still there on the beach or are they gone.

Thanks.

Duni.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1759110]Myrrh,

Imagine yourself and a mate in "these girls" place for a minute. Then imagine being picked for dinner and dancing by up a skanky Beach Road LB. And then imagine her requiring those activities from the both of you. All night long. In a king sized bed. Because it's her birthday.

But not to worry; you'll both be getting paid. Not an astronomical amount though. Only what she thinks you are worth. Oh and yes; she might or might not tell you that she practices unsafe sex on a regular basis.

Repulsed yet?

SunLover.[/QUOTE]If he finds girls to do it, he should do a public service message afterward so we know where and who not to do.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]I am celebrating a major birthday in about a week's time (one with a zero at the end) and I am panicking a little because I still have not managed to set anything up.

[/QUOTE]Sorry you're getting such fucked up replies bro, I support you 100% - consent is the only key word in my book.

Have pulled off similar shit with non-bar girls in Angeles City. They key was that they were non bar girls and too lazy to work in a bar, they prefer to do extreme stuff once and get a big pay day and then be good for a few weeks rather than have to waste their free time showing up to work. Hehe +.

Have only been to Thai once for 4 days so I can't estimate what segment of society there fulfills the same purpose with the same mentality.

Hey Myrrh, I am not sure if you are up for this, but check out Barbar Fetish Club on Potpong 2 in BKK. Services include BDSM, Lemonade Stand, and Cleveland Steamer to name a few. I have never been to this club, not my thing, but I know a punter who paid a visit and he went the whole 9 yards. He said he enjoyed himself ???

[URL]http://www.barbarfetishclub.com/bangkok-thailand.html[/URL]

I am really thankful for the responses particularly from Soldierb11 who summarized neatly the options and confirmed what I suspected were the drawbacks as well as giving me a smile. Devil's Den is the only option which comes close to any sort of guarantee of anything happening at all but misses out some significant elements like the possibility of bareback, filming but also spontaneity. Also the girls at DD are renowned for being a bit mechanical, with fake passion (moans and groans) as well as a fair degree of detachment and tend to be process driven.

I was really hoping to elicit some concrete leads in terms of particular go go bars or even girls to save me spending hours on end in fruitless discussions with go go bar girls or freelancers who may react badly to some of the explicit details.

However, I am surprised at some of the reaction on here. Thailand has the reputation of being a place where guy's wildest, sexual fantasies come true. All of the things I am looking for would not look out of place in any run-of-the-mill porn movie but from some of the reaction of the guys on here you would have thought I was looking for girls to perform in snuff movies or I was looking for necrophilia or bestiality as part of the outcome.

The things that I am asking these girl to consensually do, is it that more degrading than what they have do on a daily basis anyway?

-Go go bar girls crowded on to a platform like cattle and have to gyrate around poles with numbers attached to them as if they were objects to be bought and not human beings.

-Blow job bar girls who spend their day on their knees sucking the unwashed penis of any strangers who walk in off the street.

-Girls who are forced, because of lack of money, to stand in the hot sun under coconut trees waiting for strangers who walk past to ask them for sex. Everyone walking past know what they do for a living.

The girls are not as innocent and precious as guys here seem to make out. Most guys who have walked down Soi 6 will have heard the girls shouting out loudly to guys walking past that they want them to fuck their ass and they will swallow their cum.

Some go go bars have girls performing lesbian acts on tables and stuffing objects into their pussies in plain view of anyone who walks in.

As for the issue of bareback, the consensus seems to have been over the years it is that it is not that difficult to find. If a girl thinks that a guy is reluctant to wear one and won't give them any money if they have to then there is a fair chance that she will give in and do it without once she gets to the room. So there are probably many dozens of punters in Pattaya barebacking on any given night of the week with hookers they have just met. Barebacking is potentially harmful to your health (but so is smoking) but the chances of catching HIV / lung cancer from one incidence of barebacking / smoking is fairly low. Probably much lower than being involved in a car crash if you have been drinking or texting, and how many people do that every day? In the context of a one-off birthday celebration the risk might be considered acceptable.

There have been a multitude of videos where guys have given Thai girls money for them to perform like pornstars and filming the action to put on the internet.

So many of the items on my list are definitely possible on a trip to Thailand. The only problem is that you do not know what the girl will definitely do once she gets to the room.

There have been many occasions when girls have been hot for me in the bar or nightclub but then fall asleep as soon as I get to the room or get into bed with a towel on or refuse to give BBBJ's (I have found go go bar girls in particular being reluctant to do this over the past couple of years when in the past I have always assumed that this was a given).

The only way to counteract this risk is to run through a list, in my case a long one, of things that you are expecting her to do before you get to the room. This spoils the feel good factor and spontaneity and also could be a little embarrassing if the girl is shocked by some of the things you are seeking.

You can probably ask if she will blow without a condom, or fuck ass or but any explicit talk of barebacking, filming or ATM could have her running screaming to other girls in the bar with them talking and pointing at you, leading to a sheepish and sharp exit.

It also could be difficult / embarrassing getting out a list in the middle of a dance floor or shouting in a girl's ear your list of lusty demands over the noise of the music. I recall one freelancer in BKK moving quickly away from a guy she was talking to outside on the street and warning the other girls nearby in a loud voice that the guy wanted to do it without condom. Trying to shame him.

The only way to be sure of getting what you want are some solid tips of girls names (but this may not be easy because girls change bars often, may go back to their village and guys are understandably reluctant to pass on details of real gems who they have worked hard to find).

DD girls will provide a lot on the list but most of these girls are not particularly attractive and as mentioned they tend to go through the motions. They are also particularly expensive as an overnight option, perhaps more expensive than the superstar models from the go go bars or even many agency girls. Often you have to book the 'best' DD girls (or should that be the ones that are at least reasonable looking) well in advance to have any chance of getting them and with these ones you are probably the nth guy she has seen that day.

In any case it is nice to know that there is the possibility, which you won't get with DD girls, that as the evening unwinds you might be leaving off the condom for some free love as well as getting out the camera phone for a few souvenir videos.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1759785][URL]http://www.barbarfetishclub.com/bangkok-thailand.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Myrrh,

I think Senor Natty might have the best idea for you. I still don't think you will get all your list done but honestly just get the most you can. I still think a visit to the Devils Den in Pattaya will fulfill quite a few of the items. So if I were you I would use Natty's suggestion and hit this place one night. Then the next go to Pattaya and do nothing, yes nothing! The following day you have another orgy with the Devils Den girls. If it is a big significant birthday why just one party?

On another note does anyone know of any Theme rooms in Thailand like they have in Macau, Jakarta, Japan and a few other places where rooms are decorated like offices, airplanes, subways, etc?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1759810]I am really thankful for the responses particularly from Soldierb11 who summarized neatly the options and confirmed what I suspected were the drawbacks as well as giving me a smile. Devil's Den is the only option which comes close to any sort of guarantee of anything happening at all but misses out some significant elements like the possibility of bareback, filming but also spontaneity. Also the girls at DD are renowned for being a bit mechanical, with fake passion (moans and groans) as well as a fair degree of detachment and tend to be process driven.

I was really hoping to elicit some concrete leads in terms of particular go go bars or even girls to save me spending hours on end in fruitless discussions with go go bar girls or freelancers who may react badly to some of the explicit details.

However, I am surprised at some of the reaction on here. Thailand has the reputation of being a place where guy's wildest, sexual fantasies come true. All of the things I am looking for would not look out of place in any run-of-the-mill porn movie but from some of the reaction of the guys on here you would have thought I was looking for girls to perform in snuff movies or I was looking for necrophilia or bestiality as part of the outcome.

[/QUOTE]It is not that the things you are looking for are not available in Thailand or anywhere else, it is that the [B]combination of things[/B] you are looking for will be difficult to find.

Yes, bareback is available, so is anal, lesbian (or rather bi-sexual) girls, filming or photographing, but finding two or three bi-sexual girls that allow bareback anal sex being filmed in front of other girls and don't require you to get yourself cleaned up when you switch holes, will be next to impossible and totally impossible in the very short timeframe you have available.

Your best bet will be to find an A level girl (but quite probably she will require a condom) and two bi-sexual friends, but the A girl will probably retreat to the bathroom when you will play with the bi-girls and those will pull out their smartphones and forget all about you the moment you put your dick in the A-girls backdoor. I don't think that will be what you imagined for your epic birthday party.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1759810]I was really hoping to elicit some concrete leads in terms of particular go go bars or even girls to save me spending hours on end in fruitless discussions with go go bar girls or freelancers who may react badly to some of the explicit details.

However, I am surprised at some of the reaction on here. Thailand has the reputation of being a place where guy's wildest, sexual fantasies come true. All of the things I am looking for would not look out of place in any run-of-the-mill porn movie [/QUOTE]Which Thailand have you been going to? And where did you hear of such a reputation? In my experience the women of Thailand are very conservative, especially if they do not know you. Just because you can pay a girl to have sex with you does not mean they will do ANYTHING for money. As everyone has already told you you will be wasting your time looking for the "run-of-the-mill" porn movie stuff. You even said it yourself, you saw it in a MOVIE. Stop looking at movies and wanting to do what you see there. That is NOT real life. Learn to separate real life from fiction. I saw Mission Impossible a couple of weeks ago, but I know better than to go trying to hang off the door of a C130 when it is taking off. You better try that fetish club or you will be in for a long vacation of repulsing all of the women that you come into contact with and making a bad name for yourself. You will be known as pu chay baa!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1759785]but check out Barbar Fetish Club on Potpong 2 in BKK.[/QUOTE]I went in there a few years ago out curiosity. If I recall correctly they wanted it wrapped when you put it in and did not offer A+, though I suspect it was available for the right bahts. Some rather hokey shows, but actually pretty fun for one or maybe two visits.

The more hardcore stuff was not what the OP wants, I think. It seemed far more unrestricted for masochists: presumably the clients set those limits themselves. When I walked out I almost tripped on a string connecting a dancer's hand to a naked, crawling guy's dick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1759853]Which Thailand have you been going to? And where did you hear of such a reputation? In my experience the women of Thailand are very conservative, especially if they do not know you. Just because you can pay a girl to have sex with you does not mean they will do ANYTHING for money. As everyone has already told you you will be wasting your time looking for the "run-of-the-mill" porn movie stuff. You even said it yourself, you saw it in a MOVIE. Stop looking at movies and wanting to do what you see there. That is NOT real life. Learn to separate real life from fiction. I saw Mission Impossible a couple of weeks ago, but I know better than to go trying to hang off the door of a C130 when it is taking off. You better try that fetish club or you will be in for a long vacation of repulsing all of the women that you come into contact with and making a bad name for yourself. You will be known as pu chay baa![/QUOTE]Myrrh, I completely agree with Mr. E. Most Thai girls, including P4 P girls are very conservative. They may have a reputation outside Thailand as being up for any sexual perversion your dirty mind can think of but the reality is that they are not like that at all. They may be up for sanuk and casual sex more than their western sisters but it is very rare to find one or even two that will fulfill your dream and perform the deeds that your fantasy desire.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Johnie;1760082]Myrrh, I completely agree with Mr. E. Most Thai girls, including P4 P girls are very conservative. They may have a reputation outside Thailand as being up for any sexual perversion your dirty mind can think of but the reality is that they are not like that at all. They may be up for sanuk and casual sex more than their western sisters but it is very rare to find one or even two that will fulfill your dream and perform the deeds that your fantasy desire.[/QUOTE]Spot on. I was actually quite disappointed on my first trip to Thailand in '99. I found the girls to be very unsophisticated sexually. Even gals who had been working the bars for quite a time were what I would consider very conservative in the sack. I remember trying to get one gal to try talking dirty and she responded by saying "I am not a dirty girl. " And this was a very popular gal from a Nana GoGo. Who knows how many dudes she'd had. Things are actually much better now. I find that the gals in the BKK oilies are almost as depraved as most of their Western sisters. The same does not hold true for most GoGo gals and the younger freelancers. Over 30 gals tend to be a lot more fun.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1734143]I don't think that's a high standard, it's just that people who have been in Thailand for long develop an eye for what's average, and what's actually beautiful (and by definition, uncommon).

For reference, take the office girls you see on Bangkok Skytrain during rush hour (20-40 age group), and calibrate so that the average among them is 6-7, with a some number of 8-9 and a rare 10. By this standard, it is rare that I see anyone in Pattaya approaching a 7. Add to that that usually crude and hardened look with tattoos and all (much more pronounced in recent years, not many girls are fresh off the farm), and take off another point or two.

Whenever I go from Pattaya to back to Bangkok and walk among civilian girls (say, at Victory Monument where vans disembark), I am in shock at how awful the Farang oriented nightlife workers look. Fortunately, we do recalibrate fairly quickly when surrounded by available women and aroused, so I might a Pattaya 5 passable (after a few hours of looking at the 3-5 range with a rare 6), although I'd not bother even glancing at her on the Bangkok Skytrain.

Of course, if you compare to an average heifer from USA Midwest or similar places, an ordinary or even frumpy Thai woman of relevant age will be an instant 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]So true. P4 P gals are just not really that good looking anymore. Want to really torture yourself? Head to Emquartier across from Emporium and walk around a bit. Stunning Thai, Chinese, and Korean gals abound. After a walk around there I can't really look at most of what is available in the P4 P scene.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1760100]So true. P4 P gals are just not really that good looking anymore. Want to really torture yourself? Head to Emquartier across from Emporium and walk around a bit. Stunning Thai, Chinese, and Korean gals abound. After a walk around there I can't really look at most of what is available in the P4 P scene.[/QUOTE]Very well described indeed. If many 6/7/8 are available during day and evening time in malls and sky trains one won't find even a 6 in most oilies.

Just had a peek on Sukumvit road and some massage shops on 24/1. Absolutely hopeless.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1759853]Which Thailand have you been going to? And where did you hear of such a reputation? In my experience the women of Thailand are very conservative, especially if they do not know you. Just because you can pay a girl to have sex with you does not mean they will do ANYTHING for money. As everyone has already told you you will be wasting your time looking for the "run-of-the-mill" porn movie stuff. You even said it yourself, you saw it in a MOVIE. Stop looking at movies and wanting to do what you see there. That is NOT real life. Learn to separate real life from fiction. I saw Mission Impossible a couple of weeks ago, but I know better than to go trying to hang off the door of a C130 when it is taking off. You better try that fetish club or you will be in for a long vacation of repulsing all of the women that you come into contact with and making a bad name for yourself. You will be known as pu chay baa![/QUOTE]I totally agree with your post.

Sayeth Goatscrot: "Of course, if you compare to an average heifer from USA Midwest or similar places, an ordinary or even frumpy Thai woman of relevant age will be an instant 9 or 10. ".

As an inmate of Sex Prison USA (to borrow a phrase from our semiretarded VP (speaking to a black audience and admonishing against the evil Republicans) "They want why'all in CHAINS!" I'd have to say you can expand this characterization about heifers well beyond the Midwestern USA. Of course if you are an actor in LA, and are the rare one who is not homosexual, or are a lucky porn star, you might be fortunate to find expanded horizons. (And I'm always amazed to read of Europeans and Australians who think that Las Vegas strippers are easy, cheap game, lol.) Beyond that, bleeeech for what's on offer for us over 30. Can't wait for my spin through SE Asia in a few months.

Hello,

Have you ever had multiple blowjob sessions with the girls during your LT experiences? Have you ever had the situation that you spent LT with the Thai girl and she made you cum many times that you were completely dry at the end?

I have read at least 100 pages of this forum and wanted to pay my knowledge and experiences forward to anyone else on this forum who may be able to get some good info from my recent trip.

I took my first trip to Pattaya last week and I have to say WOW what a fucking place!! The best place I have been to in the world for partying and mongering out of the many countries I have visited. Just a bit of background which may help give context to my experiences and opinions I have been to Thailand about 6 times but mainly to Phuket and I have always loved it, but I may never go back (unless its for the beach). I am 32 years old and from Australia.

I was in China for work on the 9th and my flight was delayed and I didn't arrive into Bangkok until about 11.30 pm. By the time I got my luggage and out the front to get a taxi it was about 12 am. I had planned to book a Mr T taxi from the good reviews on this forum but was flat out with work so decided to take my luck with a normal taxi. I remembered someone on this forum had written they had got a taxi for 800 baht from the airport so that's what I was hoping for. I walked out to the taxi stand and took my ticket and waited in my bay. The taxi driver arrived and h told me 800 baht so I was pretty happy with myself for getting it right! Traffic wasn't bad so I ended up arriving at my hotel at about 1.20 am. I gave my driver 1000 baht and was going to leave at at that because we got along well but he looked at me puzzled and said it was 1800 baht LOL!. Being 1. 20 am I really couldn't be bothered arguing, and really wanted to have a shower and hit the town with not too much time left that night, I just gave him the extra money to avoid the hassle. Lesson learnt. Book Mr T for the way home which is what I did!

Got to my hotel room (Areca) had a quick shower, put on some jeans and a shirt, skilled one Singha and headed straight to walking street for a look. Wow when I got there it was about 1. 45 am and the place was pumping and was a sensory overload! I fell in love with the place straight away. Did a quick lap to the end and then started walking back and decided to start my night in iBar. Went in and the place was packed. Bought a beer and walked to the end and walked back to the front and was grabbed by a hot Thai girl named Jar who had bottle service near the front with 4 of her friends. Stopped and starting talking to her and it was immediate banter and fun, so I parked myself with them which was an awesome decision! I would rate Jar as a 7 overall with a really sexy body, pretty face and cool and fun attitude. Order my self another beer and bought a drink for all 4 girls which made Jar pretty happy. It was a tad awkward in the beginning because they had all been drinking for a while and I just arrived so I was in catch up mode. I purchased myself and all 4 girls a round of tequilas as well as one of those frozen shots each that cost 30 baht. Given I had already bought them one round and they already had a bottle of Vodka still 3/4 full on their table, this really put me in the good books with Jar. After this they wouldn't let me buy a drink and we all drank the Vodka together. I hate not paying my way so I told them I didn't want to drink from their bottle but they told me it was their second and they would struggle to finish it so I thought what the heck go with it if they are happy. I just bought the remaining mixers.

With about 1/4 of the Vodka left we are all getting drunk and the dancing between me a Jar is getting pretty hot. I am big on kissing so I tried a few time but she didn't seem to want to kiss too much in public which I know some Thai girls are like. My gut told me it could be a warning sign but I had already invested heaps of my night here and I was having heaps of fun with these girls so I stuck with Jar. After this point I don't remember heaps from the rest of the time in iBar so ill skip to my hotel room.

Got to the room at about 5 am and Jar just started kissing my like crazy, so I was so glad I didn't go with my gut before. We were so into it that we didn't even bother taking a shower and we both didn't care. Are from strong and long DFK we jumped onto the bed. We both ripped each others clothes off and kept kissing on the bed. I started kissing her stomach and noticed that she had some pretty decent stretch marks but I was so into it by that point it didn't put me off. I continued down and started DATY. She had a cleanly shaven pussy and it was so clean so I stayed down there for ages and she was really into it. I was licking around and a bit clipped her arse and she squealed so I started playing with her arse with my finger and she absolutely went off. I ended up coming up for air and getting into missionary and started pounding. We ended up in heaps of positions and I ended up coming on top of her while she was on her stomach and I was on top (one of my favorites!

Woke up at about midday and went for round two which was pretty much the same as the night before with more DFK, DATY, many positions etc. I did however notice the stretch marks a lot more in the light of the morning.

It got to about 3 pm and I told her I really needed do some work as I run my own company. She sort of got the hint that I wasn't going to take her for lunch so she got ready to leave and hadn't even asked me for any money or discussed money to this point. As she was about to walk out the door I gave her 2000 baht which she was so happy with. She wanted me to call her again for that night and I said I possibly would, knowing I wouldn't because I only had 3 more nights and didn't want to lock myself away so early (which I have done in Phuket before). I think I probably could have given Jar less than 2000 baht but considering I had a great night, drank her Vodka and had a great GFE experience I thought that value was definitely there!

Well night one was off to a bang and I only arrived at about 1. 30 am. I couldn't wait for what the other nights had in store!! More posts to come when I get time. Fuck I love Pattaya and Thailand!!

[QUOTE=MeEnLu;1760860]Hello,

Have you ever had multiple blowjob sessions with the girls during your LT experiences? Have you ever had the situation that you spent LT with the Thai girl and she made you cum many times that you were completely dry at the end?[/QUOTE]Yes, of course. What's the use of LT otherwise?

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1760902]I have read at least 100 pages of this forum and wanted to pay my knowledge and experiences forward to anyone else on this forum who may be able to get some good info from my recent trip.I think I probably could have given Jar less than 2000 baht but considering I had a great night, drank her Vodka and had a great GFE experience I thought that value was definitely there!
Well night one was off to a bang and I only arrived at about 1. 30 am. I couldn't wait for what the other nights had in store!! More posts to come when I get time. Fuck I love Pattaya and Thailand!![/QUOTE]RELAX; 2000 is OK. Enjoy the trip.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1760902]I had planned to book a Mr T taxi from the good reviews on this forum but was flat out with work so decided to take my luck with a normal taxi. I remembered someone on this forum had written they had got a taxi for 800 baht from the airport so that's what I was hoping for. I walked out to the taxi stand and took my ticket and waited in my bay. The taxi driver arrived and h told me 800 baht so I was pretty happy with myself for getting it right! Traffic wasn't bad so I ended up arriving at my hotel at about 1.20 am. I gave my driver 1000 baht and was going to leave at at that because we got along well but he looked at me puzzled and said it was 1800 baht LOL!. Being 1. 20 am I really couldn't be bothered arguing, and really wanted to have a shower and hit the town with not too much time left that night, I just gave him the extra money to avoid the hassle. Lesson learnt. Book Mr T for the way home which is what I did![/QUOTE]Mr. T reported well for the service. Other than that Airport taxi price is always much higher than usual cost in any airport around (except Mactan, Cebu) the world. Even that, travelers prefer to take taxi from airport taxi stand for safety reason. If any one feel it is overpriced then they can arrive Airport Departure Level and can catch an incoming taxi dropping the outgoing passengers. Bargain or go for meter. Many times I ride taxi from Subarnobhum departure level for Pattaya in cost range 700 bht to 1000 bht. Never had any problem.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1760902]Did a quick lap to the end and then started walking back and decided to start my night in iBar. Went in and the place was packed. Bought a beer and walked to the end and walked back to the front and was grabbed by a hot Thai girl named Jar who had bottle service near the front with 4 of her friends. Stopped and starting talking to her and it was immediate banter and fun, so I parked myself with them which was an awesome decision! I would rate Jar as a 7 overall with a really sexy body, pretty face and cool and fun attitude. Order my self another beer and bought a drink for all 4 girls which made Jar pretty happy. It was a tad awkward in the beginning because they had all been drinking for a while and I just arrived so I was in catch up mode. I purchased myself and all 4 girls a round of tequilas as well as one of those frozen shots each that cost 30 baht. Given I had already bought them one round and they already had a bottle of Vodka still 3/4 full on their table, this really put me in the good books with Jar. After this they wouldn't let me buy a drink and we all drank the Vodka together. I hate not paying my way so I told them I didn't want to drink from their bottle but they told me it was their second and they would struggle to finish it so I thought what the heck go with it if they are happy. I just bought the remaining mixers.

With about 1/4 of the Vodka left we are all getting drunk and the dancing between me a Jar is getting pretty hot. I am big on kissing so I tried a few time but she didn't seem to want to kiss too much in public which I know some Thai girls are like. My gut told me it could be a warning sign but I had already invested heaps of my night here and I was having heaps of fun with these girls so I stuck with Jar. After this point I don't remember heaps from the rest of the time in iBar so ill skip to my hotel room.

Got to the room at about 5 am and Jar just started kissing my like crazy, so I was so glad I didn't go with my gut before. We were so into it that we didn't even bother taking a shower and we both didn't care. Are from strong and long DFK we jumped onto the bed. We both ripped each others clothes off and kept kissing on the bed. I started kissing her stomach and noticed that she had some pretty decent stretch marks but I was so into it by that point it didn't put me off. I continued down and started DATY. She had a cleanly shaven pussy and it was so clean so I stayed down there for ages and she was really into it. I was licking around and a bit clipped her arse and she squealed so I started playing with her arse with my finger and she absolutely went off. I ended up coming up for air and getting into missionary and started pounding. We ended up in heaps of positions and I ended up coming on top of her while she was on her stomach and I was on top (one of my favorites!

Woke up at about midday and went for round two which was pretty much the same as the night before with more DFK, DATY, many positions etc. I did however notice the stretch marks a lot more in the light of the morning.

It got to about 3 pm and I told her I really needed do some work as I run my own company. She sort of got the hint that I wasn't going to take her for lunch so she got ready to leave and hadn't even asked me for any money or discussed money to this point. As she was about to walk out the door I gave her 2000 baht which she was so happy with. She wanted me to call her again for that night and I said I possibly would, knowing I wouldn't because I only had 3 more nights and didn't want to lock myself away so early (which I have done in Phuket before). I think I probably could have given Jar less than 2000 baht but considering I had a great night, drank her Vodka and had a great GFE experience I thought that value was definitely there!

Well night one was off to a bang and I only arrived at about 1. 30 am. I couldn't wait for what the other nights had in store!! More posts to come when I get time. Fuck I love Pattaya and Thailand!![/QUOTE]Always glad to hear a fellow have fun in Ibar, great report BTW.

I always pick up the LTs from Ibar. Read my 7 days in Patts.

I always give around 2000 Baht for LT and sometimes 100-200 baht for a meal and a taxi if I'm doing something and she won't be joining.

They are always happy and I am always happy. GFE and many other things.

My golden rule in Ibar to find similar gems is either at 11 pm or around 2 am.

Looking forward to your reports.

Happy hunting!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Moegy;1761417]Always glad to hear a fellow have fun in Ibar, great report BTW.

I always pick up the LTs from Ibar. Read my 7 days in Patts.

I always give around 2000 Baht for LT and sometimes 100-200 baht for a meal and a taxi if I'm doing something and she won't be joining.

They are always happy and I am always happy. GFE and many other things.

My golden rule in Ibar to find similar gems is either at 11 pm or around 2 am.

Looking forward to your reports.

Happy hunting!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks Moegy for the comment. Good to know I got the pricing about right. In saying that I guess anyone can pay whatever they want if they feel they got good value!

I had read your trip report before I left but I just read them again and gees it made me want to be back there right now.

After Jar left at about 3 pm I decided to get something to eat and go for a walk around Pattaya. I stopped at Kiss restaurant on second road which had great food.

Decided I needed a massage but after two long rounds with Jar and the last one only a few hours before I told myself I was after strictly massage only. I walked around for at least an hour, along beach round and second road looking for a good looking massage girl but it was difficult to find one. I had almost given up I walked along the Bay walk between beach road and second road and when I got to the corner of second road a hottie (can't remember her name) grabbed me out of nowhere. I told her I wanted a Thai massage and she said it would be 200 baht so I agreed. She took me back into bay walk and upstairs into an open section with many massage tables all in a row. The section she took me into had 3 tables side by side that were not divided. I thought to myself definitely no extras here considering how open it was, but hell I was in Pattaya so I definitely got that wrong. I went to lay on my stomach but she said no lay on my back, which was the first sign more was on offer. She gave me a relatively good thai massage on the legs and somatic and they she asked me if I wanted to go to heaven LOL. She told me I could have any service I wanted and in the end my little fella gave in and I opted for FS. She said 1500 baht and I agreed. I asked her where we would do it and she said right there on the massage table in a relatively open space. I was pretty anxious about that be she assured me it was fine so I just went with it. She gave a half decent BBBJ and then covered up and into cowgirl, then missionary then finally pulled out and BBBJ and COB. She was great and if I could have been bothered for the rest of my stay I definitely would have seen her again.

Feeling pretty empty I went back to my hotel for a rest and to do some work. I decided I would hit up a logo or two considering I had never been to one before and didn't really know what to expect. I ended up heading out at about 7. 30 pm but all of the logos didn't seem open yet and I walked up and down the entire walking street. I looked into the beer bars just before the start of walking street and all of the others in walking straight and they were very empty and the quality was low, so I decided to head to Soi 7 or 8 to check out the beer bars there. I took the baht bus and stopped at Soi 7. I walked down and the quality wasn't the best here too IMO. I saw one at the start of the street coming from second road that I would have gone back to but I got about half way and was latched onto a girl that would not let me go! She was about a 5 to 6 but she had nice breasts and really nicely manicured hands and feet which showed me she looked after herself. I went in and had a couple of beers with her, bought her a few lady drinks and had a couple of games of pool. I ended up buying the mamasan a drink too and played her in pool and I actually won to my surprise! They were very keen for me to take this girl but the night was still young and I wasn't that keen so I told them I needed to meet my friend and I left. I would have taken her out if there wasn't so many other potential options.

By this stage it was about 9 pm so I took a moto taxi back to walking street. After this point I always just took moto taxis for the convenience and speed compared to the baht buses. Most times I paid 40 to 50 baht for the motto taxis.

Now it was time for my first gogo experience! I had read heaps on this forum and other sites about gogos and decided I wanted to visited the naughtiest ones first so I popped my gogo cherry at Windmill and boy was I not disappointed. It was packed so I was seated and the end of the bar in the middle only to find two nude girls pretending to hump each other, licking each others breasts etc. I was in heaven! I ordered a beer and the young supervisor came over to explain how the place works and asked if I liked any of the girls. I told her I would look and let her know. I ended up finding one I liked and gave her a few smiles that were returned and told the supervisor and she told the girl to come and sit with me when she finished dancing. Her name was Fon but I can remember her number but boy was she wild. Over about the course of an hour I bought her a few lady drinks while she continually put my hand under her skirt and inserted my fingers into her pussy. When she wasn't doing this she would be humping my cowgirl or reverse cowgirl. It was like nowhere I had been before except for maybe Wan Chai in Hong Kong.

Fon was really keen for me to bar fine her but it was 1000 bar fine and 3500 long time, but I couldn't justify that after the experience I had the night before in iBar for 2,000 baht plus drinks (and if I took Fon out drinking I would have spent more on drinks too). I ended up telling Fon it was only my second night and I wanted to explore a bit more but I may come back. She was a little disappointed but understood. The supervisor was probably more annoyed but too bad.

I left there at about 11.00 pm and realized that drinking at gogos while awesome can definitely add up and my bill was about 1300 baht (which wasn't too bad). I planned to go straight to iBar but when I got there something told me to check out Insomnia so that's where I went. It was about 3/4's full so not packed. I ordered a beer and walked around feeling a little lost and not knowing where to park myself considering most of the tables were full. I stood around the small stage about 3/4's of the way in and I ended up meeting a couple of guys from Austria who were my age and we got along really well so we drank together for a while. As I looked around it seemed there were heaps of potential Thai girls that could be picked up. I ended up meeting a girl from Finland who I would rate a 6 who I could tell was keen but hell I was in Thailand to pick up Thai girls not foreigners (note. I definitely would have tried to pick up the girl from Finland if I was at home)! While I was hanging around that stage area I looked over to the bar where the exit to the toilets are and saw this little hottie and we made strong eye contact. I could tell she was on her own so I was trying to decide how to approach her. After a few more times of eye contact and one time of me walking past her and not looking at her I decided I would just talk to her. I went up behind her and asked her if I could buy her a drink and she said yes. We hit it off and we danced for a while and I bought heaps more drinks for me and for her (she was a beer drinker which I loved). I ended up losing the guys from Austria so I asked her if she wanted to leave with me and she said yes. No money was discussed at this point.

I was fairly drunk by this stage and from there the rest is a bit of a blur. We went back to my hotel and had a shower separately and got into the action. She had a great body but very small breasts but she also had a very small frame. She told me she weighed 43 kg. Her skin was so smooth and her body was really tight with no stretch marks. She told me she was 23 and from Bangkok but who knows. We got into some heavy DFK and I ended up with my usually routine of moving down to DATY and she seemed to enjoy it and she had a very clean and shaven pussy. I moved up and we started at it bareback which I totally regret but because I was so drunk I didn't care at the time. Lesson learnt, or so I thought. From what I can remember we tried a few different positions and I ended up cumming over her arse.

We went straight to sleep and it was about 4 am I think.

I woke up at about midday and was ready for round two so I started rubbing her back. She wasn't too responsive and I wasn't sure if she was into it so I just started rubbing her fingers very slowly and I could feel her fingers squeeze mine back so I knew she was up for it. I did that for a few minutes really softly and then I moved to rubbing her pussy very slowly and gees she was wet! Round two was fairly similar to the night before DFK, DATY, missionary, cowgirl, doggie etc. And was another good round!

I asked her if she wanted to get some lunch and she didn't really want to get up but I bugged her for a bit and she ended up agreeing. Just before we walked out the door we still hadn't spoke any money so I gave her 1500 and asked her if this was OK and she said it was fine. I took her out for lunch to Burger King (her choice) and we got along really well. The poor girl was fairly embarrassed walking down the street in her disco clothes from the night before and I have to say she was getting some funny looks but I didn't care. She spoke excellent English and seemed fairly refined. She told me she wanted to see me again that night but I told her I would call her. Once again didn't want to limit my options with only two nights left, but I did like her.

Well day two definitely lived up to the first night and I am more in love with Pattaya! Keep an eye out for my day 3 report.

P.S. Sorry if my posts are a little long but I can't stop writing because I had such a great time!

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]After Jar left at about 3 pm I decided to get something to eat and go for a walk around Pattaya. I stopped at Kiss restaurant on second road which had great food.

Decided I needed a massage but after two long rounds with Jar and the last one only a few hours before I told myself I was after strictly massage only. I walked around for at least an hour, along beach round and second road looking for a good looking massage girl but it was difficult to find one. I had almost given up I walked along the Bay walk between beach road and second road and when I got to the corner of second road a hottie (can't remember her name) grabbed me out of nowhere. I told her I wanted a Thai massage and she said it would be 200 baht so I agreed. She took me back into bay walk and upstairs into an open section with many massage tables all in a row. The section she took me into had 3 tables side by side that were not divided. I thought to myself definitely no extras here considering how open it was, but hell I was in Pattaya so I definitely got that wrong. I went to lay on my stomach but she said no lay on my back, which was the first sign more was on offer. She gave me a relatively good thai massage on the legs and somatic and they she asked me if I wanted to go to heaven LOL. She told me I could have any service I wanted and in the end my little fella gave in and I opted for FS. She said 1500 baht and I agreed. I asked her where we would do it and she said right there on the massage table in a relatively open space. I was pretty anxious about that be she assured me it was fine so I just went with it. She gave a half decent BBBJ and then covered up and into cowgirl, then missionary then finally pulled out and BBBJ and COB. She was great and if I could have been bothered for the rest of my stay I definitely would have seen her again.

Feeling pretty empty I went back to my hotel for a rest and to do some work. I decided I would hit up a logo or two considering I had never been to one before and didn't really know what to expect. I ended up heading out at about 7. 30 pm but all of the logos didn't seem open yet and I walked up and down the entire walking street. I looked into the beer bars just before the start of walking street and all of the others in walking straight and they were very empty and the quality was low, so I decided to head to Soi 7 or 8 to check out the beer bars there. I took the baht bus and stopped at Soi 7. I walked down and the quality wasn't the best here too IMO. I saw one at the start of the street coming from second road that I would have gone back to but I got about half way and was latched onto a girl that would not let me go! She was about a 5 to 6 but she had nice breasts and really nicely manicured hands and feet which showed me she looked after herself. I went in and had a couple of beers with her, bought her a few lady drinks and had a couple of games of pool. I ended up buying the mamasan a drink too and played her in pool and I actually won to my surprise! They were very keen for me to take this girl but the night was still young and I wasn't that keen so I told them I needed to meet my friend and I left. I would have taken her out if there wasn't so many other potential options.

By this stage it was about 9 pm so I took a moto taxi back to walking street. After this point I always just took moto taxis for the convenience and speed compared to the baht buses. Most times I paid 40 to 50 baht for the motto taxis.

Now it was time for my first gogo experience! I had read heaps on this forum and other sites about gogos and decided I wanted to visited the naughtiest ones first so I popped my gogo cherry at Windmill and boy was I not disappointed. It was packed so I was seated and the end of the bar in the middle only to find two nude girls pretending to hump each other, licking each others breasts etc. I was in heaven! I ordered a beer and the young supervisor came over to explain how the place works and asked if I liked any of the girls. I told her I would look and let her know. I ended up finding one I liked and gave her a few smiles that were returned and told the supervisor and she told the girl to come and sit with me when she finished dancing. Her name was Fon but I can remember her number but boy was she wild. Over about the course of an hour I bought her a few lady drinks while she continually put my hand under her skirt and inserted my fingers into her pussy. When she wasn't doing this she would be humping my cowgirl or reverse cowgirl. It was like nowhere I had been before except for maybe Wan Chai in Hong Kong.

Fon was really keen for me to bar fine her but it was 1000 bar fine and 3500 long time, but I couldn't justify that after the experience I had the night before in iBar for 2,000 baht plus drinks (and if I took Fon out drinking I would have spent more on drinks too). I ended up telling Fon it was only my second night and I wanted to explore a bit more but I may come back. She was a little disappointed but understood. The supervisor was probably more annoyed but too bad.

I left there at about 11.00 pm and realized that drinking at gogos while awesome can definitely add up and my bill was about 1300 baht (which wasn't too bad). I planned to go straight to iBar but when I got there something told me to check out Insomnia so that's where I went. It was about 3/4's full so not packed. I ordered a beer and walked around feeling a little lost and not knowing where to park myself considering most of the tables were full. I stood around the small stage about 3/4's of the way in and I ended up meeting a couple of guys from Austria who were my age and we got along really well so we drank together for a while. As I looked around it seemed there were heaps of potential Thai girls that could be picked up. I ended up meeting a girl from Finland who I would rate a 6 who I could tell was keen but hell I was in Thailand to pick up Thai girls not foreigners (note. I definitely would have tried to pick up the girl from Finland if I was at home)! While I was hanging around that stage area I looked over to the bar where the exit to the toilets are and saw this little hottie and we made strong eye contact. I could tell she was on her own so I was trying to decide how to approach her. After a few more times of eye contact and one time of me walking past her and not looking at her I decided I would just talk to her. I went up behind her and asked her if I could buy her a drink and she said yes. We hit it off and we danced for a while and I bought heaps more drinks for me and for her (she was a beer drinker which I loved). I ended up losing the guys from Austria so I asked her if she wanted to leave with me and she said yes. No money was discussed at this point.

I was fairly drunk by this stage and from there the rest is a bit of a blur. We went back to my hotel and had a shower separately and got into the action. She had a great body but very small breasts but she also had a very small frame. She told me she weighed 43 kg. Her skin was so smooth and her body was really tight with no stretch marks. She told me she was 23 and from Bangkok but who knows. We got into some heavy DFK and I ended up with my usually routine of moving down to DATY and she seemed to enjoy it and she had a very clean and shaven pussy. I moved up and we started at it bareback which I totally regret but because I was so drunk I didn't care at the time. Lesson learnt, or so I thought. From what I can remember we tried a few different positions and I ended up cumming over her arse.

We went straight to sleep and it was about 4 am I think.

I woke up at about midday and was ready for round two so I started rubbing her back. She wasn't too responsive and I wasn't sure if she was into it so I just started rubbing her fingers very slowly and I could feel her fingers squeeze mine back so I knew she was up for it. I did that for a few minutes really softly and then I moved to rubbing her pussy very slowly and gees she was wet! Round two was fairly similar to the night before DFK, DATY, missionary, cowgirl, doggie etc. And was another good round!

I asked her if she wanted to get some lunch and she didn't really want to get up but I bugged her for a bit and she ended up agreeing. Just before we walked out the door we still hadn't spoke any money so I gave her 1500 and asked her if this was OK and she said it was fine. I took her out for lunch to Burger King (her choice) and we got along really well. The poor girl was fairly embarrassed walking down the street in her disco clothes from the night before and I have to say she was getting some funny looks but I didn't care. She spoke excellent English and seemed fairly refined. She told me she wanted to see me again that night but I told her I would call her. Once again didn't want to limit my options with only two nights left, but I did like her.

Well day two definitely lived up to the first night and I am more in love with Pattaya! Keep an eye out for my day 3 report.

P.S. Sorry if my posts are a little long but I can't stop writing because I had such a great time![/QUOTE]Glad you had a great time at Windmill! It is my favorite place on earth!

BillyBobby,

No worries about the length of your posts mate, love reading reports with that much detail. Will definitely have to visit Pattaya next time I'm in Thailand. Just curious, what would you rate the girls that you saw in Windmill? Keep up the good work!

Great report Billy.

You mentioned Fon. I had a Fon last May (forgot the club name, it is in my Day 6 report, but I remember her number was 8), but though she was a super hottie, was a limp noodle in bed. Either this is a different Fon or she has learned how to play the game in the last few months. Regardless, glad you are having a great time and keeping us informed. I might get the chance to go back in November. Really looking forward to the possibility.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834] ![/QUOTE]Another great report, glad to see that Ibar and insomnia are such hits with different people.

Another tip if you are upstairs insomnia stop the dancers when they pass by you, ask for a kiss on the cheek and give each a 100 baht maybe buy a shot if you r feeling generous watch what happens, lap dances, grinding and a lot more. Just good clean fun tho. But Ull be the envy of every guy and catch the eyes of several girls who are there.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Rqnxx;1762063]BillyBobby,

No worries about the length of your posts mate, love reading reports with that much detail. Will definitely have to visit Pattaya next time I'm in Thailand. Just curious, what would you rate the girls that you saw in Windmill? Keep up the good work![/QUOTE]I was really hesitant to visit Pattaya because I always went to Phuket before and loved it. I almost changed my mind at the last minute and went to Patong but went to Pattaya instead. Now I don't think I will go back to Phuket.

While I loved the atmosphere and goings in in Windmill the girls weren't the best. Probably 6 on average and some even lower. However most of them were up for just about anything in there and a few of them actually tried to take my shirt off! I ended up visiting a few more gogos which I report on later like Sugarbabys, Baccara, Peppermint and Skyfall and I have to say I saw girls better in each of those that in windmill.

On a separate topic I just remembered a funny story from that night in Windmill. There was a western couple about early 30's in there for a look. The female in the couple kept watching me with Fon and the things I was doing to her and she wasn't impressed, giving me dirty looks LOL. I just kept on with my business and gave her a big smile every time she looked over 555.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1762091]Great report Billy.

You mentioned Fon. I had a Fon last May (forgot the club name, it is in my Day 6 report, but I remember her number was 8), but though she was a super hottie, was a limp noodle in bed. Either this is a different Fon or she has learned how to play the game in the last few months. Regardless, glad you are having a great time and keeping us informed. I might get the chance to go back in November. Really looking forward to the possibility.[/QUOTE]Yeh Fon was a firecracker in windmill but after RTFF so much I was worried about gogo girls being starfish and for the money, I didn't want to risk it with so many other options and after having good luck at iBar and Insomnia.

I'm hanging to go back. Been thinking about it every day since being back!

[QUOTE=Moegy;1762099]Another great report, glad to see that Ibar and insomnia are such hits with different people.

Another tip if you are upstairs insomnia stop the dancers when they pass by you, ask for a kiss on the cheek and give each a 100 baht maybe buy a shot if you r feeling generous watch what happens, lap dances, grinding and a lot more. Just good clean fun tho. But Ull be the envy of every guy and catch the eyes of several girls who are there.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Yeh I ended up in Insomnia or iBar every night and I loved them both. I wish I had more time to explore more beer bars, try and oily and try some gogo girls but I just didn't have the time.

Thanks for the tip! Will definitely try that next time!

I am flying to Bangkok 31st August. Due to the bomb explosion there, I cancel my stay in Bangkok and plan to head for Pattaya right away. Everything normal in Pattaya?

Many thanks!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1762091]You mentioned Fon. I had a Fon last May (forgot the club name, it is in my Day 6 report, but I remember her number was 8), but though she was a super hottie, was a limp noodle in bed. Either this is a different Fon or she has learned how to play the game in the last few months.[/QUOTE]Fon is a very common nickname. Out of 10000 Pattaya hookers probably 1000 are named Fon.

[QUOTE=MagnaWhite;1762214]I am flying to Bangkok 31st August. Due to the bomb explosion there, I cancel my stay in Bangkok and plan to head for Pattaya right away. Everything normal in Pattaya?

Many thanks![/QUOTE]In today's world there is no such thing as a safe place. Everything is now normal in BKK too.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1762682]In today's world there is no such thing as a safe place. Everything is now normal in BKK too.[/QUOTE]IMHO.

During any problem in BKK during the last years, I always felt safe. There has been bombs, demonstrations, flood, military coup but still most things work as normal. I think that it has never been more safe then now in BKK.

I come back in October and intend to stay there as before and do the same things as always.

G

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1759810]I am really thankful for the responses particularly from Soldierb11 who summarized neatly the options and confirmed what I suspected were the drawbacks as well as giving me a smile. Devil's Den is the only option which comes close to any sort of guarantee of anything happening at all but misses out some significant elements like the possibility of bareback, filming but also spontaneity. Also the girls at DD are renowned for being a bit mechanical, with fake passion (moans and groans) as well as a fair degree of detachment and tend to be process driven.

I was really hoping to elicit some concrete leads in terms of particular go go bars or even girls to save me spending hours on end in fruitless discussions with go go bar girls or freelancers who may react badly to some of the explicit details.

However, I am surprised at some of the reaction on here. Thailand has the reputation of being a place where guy's wildest, sexual fantasies come true. All of the things I am looking for would not look out of place in any run-of-the-mill porn movie but from some of the reaction of the guys on here you would have thought I was looking for girls to perform in snuff movies or I was looking for necrophilia or bestiality as part of the outcome.

The things that I am asking these girl to consensually do, is it that more degrading than what they have do on a daily basis anyway?
[/QUOTE]Thai girls are conservative and very cleanliness fastidious, as had already been said. Not that many are into being fucked in the ass. Some do it, only for money. Some girls don't even want to kiss. In many years, only about 3 or 4 Thai girls ever asked me to fuck them in the ass. One of them for extra money, one only because it was her period. This is not South America.

You just want to have fun. But don't you ever ask yourself why what you ask for is fun? Don't you see you have been brain washed just a little by what extreme porn has been feeding you? They produce extreme porn and they believe if its shocking enough it will sell better to those wanting to go beyond the boundaries of normal behaviour. I thought brain washing was a phenomena of religion.

Thai girls are not so influenced by the porn that they want to do repulsive things, even for small money. There are places in Thailand to go to push the boundaries a little. Its no problem to get covered ass fucking, no problem to get girls into lesbian activities, no problem to do CIM, no problem to molest and fuck girls in public bar area with others watching. Can you be satisfied with more normal Thai style waywardness?

I might be stupid or conservative, but during sex, I am also trying to make the girl have a good time and even orgasm. I like girls who like fucking, and are not just taking the money only. Not always finding such a girl, but chances in Thailand are better than back home. I don't need to do weird things unless the girl actually wants it, I. E. Requests it. When I take two girls together they lick each others pussies without me asking them to, because I know where to find such girls. They don't seem to finger each other deeply. So I did not ask them to do that. It's just what they are comfortable with. Not that many Thai girls are even doing rimming without being asked for it, no matter how carefully you have cleaned yourself. If they do it, without asking, fine.

Where is the fun in trying to make girls do things they don't want to do?

Do you want to cum swap, lick a dick that has just been in a shithole, etc. ? I trust not. It probably would not be fun. I don't even want a girl to finger my ass.

Money high enough can buy anything to make it "consentual" , but where is the fun that gives you value for money? Thailand is not the best place for imitating extreme porn. Ugly older East European hookers, as others suggest, maybe?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1759810]All of the things I am looking for would not look out of place in any run-of-the-mill porn movie[/QUOTE]It is important to remember that when you see a movie it is already edited to make it look more like, well, a movie. You do not see the raw footage (which is probably just as boring as any home movie) or the preparation that goes into it beforehand. A chick I used to deal with in Brazil who used to do porn movies said the majority of the time (6 hours or so) would be spent just to do their hair and makeup. The actual fucking part would not take much time. Anyway, here is a video of porn star confessions to bring Myrrh to reality. They even talk about the make-up sponge that the Thai girls use that you can find in any salon or pharmacy around Pattaya:

[URL]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhAK5RVm3Tb2jJHytZ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1762732]Thai girls are conservative and very cleanliness fastidious, as had already been said. [/QUOTE]I'm just wondering why, in all these disputes against a European seeking advise on finding women for some unusual yet entirely consentual activities, in this allegedly sexually conservative GFE paradise, that noone mentions what the Thais themselves widely get away with, with unenlightened minors sent to the market by family financial dispositions etc. Which can hardly be described as consentual at all.

Sorry, just wanted to put things a bit into proportion.

Anyway, I'm sure that with the right funding the poster can get what he seeks. What's wrong in that. It's his money.

Spend some more money and meet Timea in Bratislava.

[URL]http://www.timea-antala.info/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1758610]I am celebrating a major birthday in about a week's time (one with a zero at the end) and I am panicking a little because I still have not managed to set anything up.

I would really value your help. Yes, I know I am going to get some RT*F forum type replies but nevertheless.

My ideal scenario would be to take two or even three young (20's), skinny, tall and fairly pretty girls out for dinner and then to a few discos before going back to a hotel with a king size bed for an all-nighter.

It would be preferable if the girls were happy to dress and act a bit slutty for the night out.

The sort of activities that I would hope that these girls would do once we got back to the room would be:

[U]Essential.[/U]

-Rimming, swallowing, snowballing, cum swapping.

[U]Highly desirable.[/U]

-I can film, bareback sex, cum in pussy, creampie eating, real lesbian show (pussy licking, 69, pussy grinding)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MagnaWhite;1762214]I am flying to Bangkok 31st August. Due to the bomb explosion there, I cancel my stay in Bangkok and plan to head for Pattaya right away. Everything normal in Pattaya?

Many thanks![/QUOTE]I'm here now. Everything same as usual except airport security is a bit slower. The game is the same.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1762732]I might be stupid or conservative, but during sex, I am also trying to make the girl have a good time and even orgasm. I like girls who like fucking, and are not just taking the money only. Not always finding such a girl, but chances in Thailand are better than back home. [/QUOTE]Don't we all like to fuck girls who are "me so horny".

My experiences in Thailand, especially with the hookers, are mostly mechanical and lackluster. Well I am approaching 50 years of age so I don't blame them. Would be pretty fucking dumb for me to even think that these young girls really enjoy fucking with an old jaded fart like myself. They rent their pussies for me because of the money.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]I told her I wanted a Thai massage and she said it would be 200 baht so I agreed. She took me back into bay walk and upstairs into an open section with many massage tables all in a row. The section she took me into had 3 tables side by side that were not divided. I thought to myself definitely no extras here considering how open it was, but hell I was in Pattaya so I definitely got that wrong. I went to lay on my stomach but [b]she said no lay on my back, which was the first sign more was on offer[/b].[/QUOTE]That was not a sign of anything. A Thai massage is started with you on your back. An oil massage is started with you on your stomach.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]She told me I could have any service I wanted and in the end my little fella gave in and I opted for FS. She said 1500 baht and I agreed.[/QUOTE]I know you are on holiday, but it seems in this instance you let your little fella do your thinking for you. At the end of this day you gave an Insomnia girl 1500 for LT so I know that you know better. You can get ST in a gentlemen's club for 1000. You can get a 90 minute soapy for 2000. At all of the sex massage places on Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Xzyte you can get FS for 1000 or less. Remember in a place where there is no standard price to always negotiate. Personally at a regular massage place that like I will give an extra 500 baht for ST FS, whether the massage is there on premises or back at my room.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]Windmill. Fon was really keen for me to bar fine her but it was 1000 bar fine and 3500 long time, but I couldn't justify that after the experience I had the night before in iBar for 2,000 baht plus drinks (and if I took Fon out drinking I would have spent more on drinks too). I ended up telling Fon it was only my second night and I wanted to explore a bit more but I may come back. She was a little disappointed but understood. The supervisor was probably more annoyed but too bad.[/QUOTE]If you are talking about the old lady she is definitely a b-i. I am a regular customer (not for bar-fine) and she is still shitty to me.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]I planned to go straight to iBar but when I got there something told me to check out Insomnia.. I ended up meeting a girl from Finland who I would rate a 6 who I could tell was keen but hell I was in Thailand to pick up Thai girls not foreigners (note. I definitely would have tried to pick up the girl from Finland if I was at home)![/QUOTE]But you could have gotten the farang for free. One of my best experiences was when the Ibis on Soi Nana in Bangkok was new. There was a chick there from Texas (but had been living in BKK for 10 years) who was in the hotel because her house was being painted and her forever cheating husband was out of the country on business. Besides reminding me of a Playboy bunny, she spent money on me.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]While I was hanging around that stage area I looked over to the bar where the exit to the toilets are and saw this little hottie and we made strong eye contact. I could tell she was on her own so I was trying to decide how to approach her. After a few more times of eye contact and one time of me walking past her and not looking at her I decided I would just talk to her. I went up behind her and asked her if I could buy her a drink and she said yes. We hit it off and we danced for a while and I bought heaps more drinks for me and for her (she was a beer drinker which I loved). I ended up losing the guys from Austria so I asked her if she wanted to leave with me and she said yes. No money was discussed at this point...Just before we walked out the door we still hadn't spoke any money so I gave her 1500 [b]and asked her if this was OK[/b] and she said it was fine. [/QUOTE]She is a hooker dude. No need to decide how to approach her. Just cut to the last thing you did and tell her to leave with you. Again, there is no need to discuss money with a FL disco chick. Just give her 1000-1500 baht and tell her goodbye the next day when it is time for her to go home. She could have just as well said you owe me 4000, not 1500. Don't ask shit that you might not want to know the answer to.

[QUOTE=BillyBobby;1761834]I took her out for lunch to Burger King (her choice) and we got along really well. The poor girl was fairly embarrassed walking down the street in her disco clothes from the night before and I have to say she was getting some funny looks but I didn't care. [/QUOTE]Whenever I pick up a disco chick that I think I may be going out of my house with the next day then I will stop at her place and get some normal clothes after leaving the club. It embarrasses me as well to be leaving my place or out in public with a girl wearing disco clothes in broad daylight. Thanks for the great reports.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1762732]Thai girls are conservative and very cleanliness fastidious, as had already been said. Not that many are into being fucked in the ass. Some do it, only for money. Some girls don't even want to kiss. In many years, only about 3 or 4 Thai girls ever asked me to fuck them in the ass. One of them for extra money, one only because it was her period. This is not South America.
Money high enough can buy anything to make it "consentual" , but where is the fun that gives you value for money? Thailand is not the best place for imitating extreme porn. Ugly older East European hookers, as others suggest, maybe?[/QUOTE]If the customer wants rimming or anything else, she's going to do it if the price is right.

Hi,

I will be visiting Pattaya in mid-Sep for 2 nights /3 days.

On PM. Can some seniors here please advise me on the following places / info:

1. BJ bar (with a FS option) - girl recommendation and damages.

2. Best pick-up bar / disco. Recommendation (if available) and damages.

3. Best soapie. Recommendations and damages.

4. Best brothel (eg. Devil's Den) - recommendations and damages.

5. Best GoGo bar. Recommendations and damages.

I'd be putting up at Hard ROck Hotel. So if anyone has any tips like how to take girls up to the room etc. That will also be helpful.

Anything else you may wish to point out. Will be ever grateful!

Thanks in advance.

Once again Mr E bringing the voice of reality here in Pats. Also thanks for the insights on dealing with negotiating ST FS at the massage parlors. Good Stuff!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1762980]That was not a sign of anything. A Thai massage is started with you on your back. An oil massage is started with you on your stomach.

I know you are on holiday, but it seems in this instance you let your little fella do your thinking for you. At the end of this day you gave an Insomnia girl 1500 for LT so I know that you know better. You can get ST in a gentlemen's club for 1000. You can get a 90 minute soapy for 2000. At all of the sex massage places on Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Xzyte you can get FS for 1000 or less. Remember in a place where there is no standard price to always negotiate. Personally at a regular massage place that like I will give an extra 500 baht for ST FS, whether the massage is there on premises or back at my room.

If you are talking about the old lady she is definitely a b-i. I am a regular customer (not for bar-fine) and she is still shitty to me.

But you could have gotten the farang for free. One of my best experiences was when the Ibis on Soi Nana in Bangkok was new. There was a chick there from Texas (but had been living in BKK for 10 years) who was in the hotel because her house was being painted and her forever cheating husband was out of the country on business. Besides reminding me of a Playboy bunny, she spent money on me.

She is a hooker dude. No need to decide how to approach her. Just cut to the last thing you did and tell her to leave with you. Again, there is no need to discuss money with a FL disco chick. Just give her 1000-1500 baht and tell her goodbye the next day when it is time for her to go home. She could have just as well said you owe me 4000, not 1500. Don't ask shit that you might not want to know the answer to.

Whenever I pick up a disco chick that I think I may be going out of my house with the next day then I will stop at her place and get some normal clothes after leaving the club. It embarrasses me as well to be leaving my place or out in public with a girl wearing disco clothes in broad daylight. Thanks for the great reports.[/QUOTE]I have never seen someone pick apart a perfectly good post like this before. Very interesting. Thanks for the good report and don't worry about this thing. Keep posting.

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1763195]Hi,

I will be visiting Pattaya in mid-Sep for 2 nights /3 days.

On PM. Can some seniors here please advise me on the following places / info:

1. BJ bar (with a FS option) - girl recommendation and damages.

2. Best pick-up bar / disco. Recommendation (if available) and damages.

3. Best soapie. Recommendations and damages.

4. Best brothel (eg. Devil's Den) - recommendations and damages.

5. Best GoGo bar. Recommendations and damages.[/QUOTE]It all depends on what you understand by "best". For some of us "best" means model-quality beauty, others rather have porn-star experience, while some are looking for a sweet and cuddly girl-friend night.

All of these (and more) are available everywhere.

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1763195]I'd be putting up at Hard Rock Hotel. So if anyone has any tips like how to take girls up to the room etc. That will also be helpful.[/QUOTE]Take the girl with you to the hotel and if necessary have her ID-card checked. Then take her up to your room. Easy as pie!

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1763195]Anything else you may wish to point out. Will be ever grateful!

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Take it easy. Walk around and when someone strikes your fancy, go for her. Don't wait for someone "better" to come along: you are likely to have to go to your room alone.

Do as the Thai do, live for the moment. Of course, there will always be someone more beautiful, hot or friendly, but the girl in your arms will always be better than the girl you didn't get.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1763357]I have never seen someone pick apart a perfectly good post like this before. Very interesting. Thanks for the good report and don't worry about this thing. Keep posting.[/QUOTE]I see this happening alot in the German threads, it has to do with locals trying to keep the price at a specific price point. In Germany its more about guys being "generous" and tipping on top of the normal fee for said services. The idea is if too many foreigners visit the clubs and keep tipping, the girls come to expect that amount from everybody. This raises the expectations of the girls (without an increase in the service). I'm a foreigner to Germany and I understand where they are coming from, more and more girls are giving poor service and then asking for a tip when it comes time to pay. So I understand Mr E's negative comments towards a guy who obviously overpaid.

Personally I don't look at it as a knockdown of the post but as a reminder to those newbies reading the board to keep their wallets in check.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1762980]That was not a sign of anything. A Thai massage is started with you on your back. An oil massage is started with you on your stomach.

I know you are on holiday, but it seems in this instance you let your little fella do your thinking for you. At the end of this day you gave an Insomnia girl 1500 for LT so I know that you know better. You can get ST in a gentlemen's club for 1000. You can get a 90 minute soapy for 2000. At all of the sex massage places on Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Xzyte you can get FS for 1000 or less. Remember in a place where there is no standard price to always negotiate. Personally at a regular massage place that like I will give an extra 500 baht for ST FS, whether the massage is there on premises or back at my room.

If you are talking about the old lady she is definitely a b-i. I am a regular customer (not for bar-fine) and she is still shitty to me.

But you could have gotten the farang for free. One of my best experiences was when the Ibis on Soi Nana in Bangkok was new. There was a chick there from Texas (but had been living in BKK for 10 years) who was in the hotel because her house was being painted and her forever cheating husband was out of the country on business. Besides reminding me of a Playboy bunny, she spent money on me.

She is a hooker dude. No need to decide how to approach her. Just cut to the last thing you did and tell her to leave with you. Again, there is no need to discuss money with a FL disco chick. Just give her 1000-1500 baht and tell her goodbye the next day when it is time for her to go home. She could have just as well said you owe me 4000, not 1500. Don't ask shit that you might not want to know the answer to.

Whenever I pick up a disco chick that I think I may be going out of my house with the next day then I will stop at her place and get some normal clothes after leaving the club. It embarrasses me as well to be leaving my place or out in public with a girl wearing disco clothes in broad daylight. Thanks for the great reports.[/QUOTE]While I agree on 95% of the above including not asking if paying 1500 baht is ok, and it is ok. I do think that 2000 for LT girl from insomnia / ibar is ok given that you have had great service.

My reasoning is as follow LT batgirl 2000-3000 + barfine.

LT ago go: 2000-4000 plus a big bar fine.

LT freelancer on BR: 1500-2500.

Then if I were to be on the generous side without being a chump, 1500-2000 LT is an ok price.

Plus and this is personal preference I like to keep my relationships good with them. My rule is unless you feel you are getting robbed don't argue too much about money.

Last point regarding keeping prices low, like you said that would apply to the transactions p4 p, bar girls go gos and such but a girl from insomnia won't argue because like you said she might say you owe me 4000 in that case you will kick her out. But since they take whatever you give them just be nice. There is no threshold price for a club girl.

So I just got back from Pattaya and thought I would try to give people heading over an indication of prices and the current state of play etc.

Firstly, I am a former Thai expat with a GF in Pattaya so I didn't indulge (much) and I was with a friend who was a first time visitor so I wanted to show him as much as possible.

Observations: things have changed a bit since I was here last with a few gogo's closed and some new ones opened. Things seemed a lot more sedate than usual.

Also, as it was off season many bars were mostly empty, especially the beer bars on Soi 7 and in the that general area.

Off season is good and bad. Good because girls are friendlier and you get more attention. Bad because the best girls have gone home and you get lots of Chinese tourists wandering walking street, taking stupid pictures and huddled like sheep besides some dude with a flag. Why don't they tether themselves together so they don't get lost, poor dears.

Fav gogo: Spanky's. Great girls, great attitude, just a relaxed gogo without too much pressure or be. S. I also liked Heaven above, Happy, and Iron and Alcatraz had some hot girls. Generally, I stick to the Soi's and leave the bars on walking street alone.

Least fav gogo: I really didn't like gentleman's club. You walk in, some mutt automatically sits next to you and the waitress is telling you to buy her a drink. Fuck off! I can pick my own companion thanks. Even when you ignore them, they go on with the usually crap questions so ignoring them makes you appear like an asshole. But if you do engage them in conversation you get the mamasan asking you the barfine question. And worst of all, they water down the drinks (my vodka-soda was weak as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]) - avoid this place!

Most outrageous gogo: windmill. No contest. Sure the girls are mostly unattractive but in what other gogo these days can you buy a girl a drink and have her fire the ice cube from her box into your drink? Or have her fuck your beer bottle or present her hole to your face for your use? The guy next to us at the bar was eating out the dancer on stage in between buying her drinks and the guy behind at a table had 3 fingers inside another girl while being encouraged to get the whole hand in. Seriously, this was like x-bar back years ago when girls put your mobile phone inside their snatch for your mate to call up. Crazy fun bar that was full of dirty girls and horny punters.

Fav club: I-bar, no contest. Hot girls, good music, just plain fun place. The hotties had the usual snobby attitude and there weren't so many uni students as I have seen before but still good fun. Lucifer was second. Gravity 7 still rock and the led singer Koii is still hot (shame she is gay!) LOL.

As for the disco's: Mix is hit and miss. Go early for the better girls cause after 3 am it resembles a kennel. Marine. Still full of ladyboys. I went to the other one near Marine (can't remember name) but it was dead.

Beach road: I'm a big fan of freelancers. Beach road has improved with lots of hotties. Maybe because Bamboo is so dead and Stones is so small, girls seem to migrate here. Anyway, lots of variety as usual but not so busy in the afternoon. I saw Police doing one sweep. So funny to see 50 girls in high heels suddenly start running.

Prices: Most gogo's have bar fines of between 600-800 with short time of 2000. Seemed a uniform price. Of course, if you take late then s. T will likely be overnight for no extra but as always treat the girl well and she will likely want to stay.

Beach road: 500 - 1000 S. T / 1200 - 1500 L. T. all highly neg depending on how desperate the girl is are. Lots of Indians trying to organised gang bangs. Funny to watch actually.

Massage girls: I'm a big fan of in room massage. Massage + boom boom inc oral = 800 - 1500 depending on the girl and time of night. Bargain hard with these girls.

Apps: wechat is becoming big in Thailand and is used by many working girls, especially ladyboys offering services. Even seemingly normal women are offering pay for play services on wechat. To find them, go to 'discover', 'people nearby' and you will get a list. Badoo is useful for finding girls as is Thai friendly but both are a little time consuming and the girls not as reliable. 1000-1500 for part time F. L's (s. T).

Other all: my mate enjoyed himself with a few cuties from gogo's and I enjoyed flirting with the girls even though I didn't take many.

One girl stood out: I met her on beach road (can't remember her name) but she had a handbag full of different sized condoms. She's very attractive with long frizzy hair, great english, and too honest for her own good. If you meet her you will recognize her. She was one of those girls you meet and you instantly know she doesn't belong. But then again, finding little gems is part of the fun in hunting F. L's.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1763357]I have never seen someone pick apart a perfectly good post like this before. Very interesting. Thanks for the good report and don't worry about this thing. Keep posting.[/QUOTE]I thought the exact same thing. There are ways of getting your point across with tact.

Is there any Russian / European massage parlor in Pattaya which provides FS?

[QUOTE=AlexanderViv;1763861]Is there any Russian / European massage parlor in Pattaya which provides FS?[/QUOTE]To Alexander.

I saw a hot tall Urkain girl last week at the Rasputan sauna last week they want 7000 bht for one HR without body massage, there are 3 other russian girl in there for 6000 bht that is the only one massage place I know that have European.

Fast eddie 48.

Started the night at the Hot Tuna Bar for some rock'and'roll, then made my way to Happy Go-Go bar. They have these girls that wear pretty beige dresses, and one of them sat next to me. We started talking and I offered her a lady drink. She says they go out like the other girls, they are not coyote, but they just do not dance. They talk. She was a pretty good talker, to be fair. It's a new concept I had never come across before.

Anyway, I did not barfine her, and instead walked over to the I-bar (upstairs). It was just before midnight so the San Miguel Light was still cheap. I did not see anything I fancied, so I took the back staircase to sample the ground-level Insomnia bar. Much more activity, especially near the water.

I walked past a table with two hot chicks, a sure sign they were on the take. One of them was hot and caught my eye. Normally I would be shy and not approach, but this being Pattaya I said to myself what the heck and opened the hot one with something lame. This being Pattaya, of course, the natural course of events in the Western world, which would be me getting blown out, didn't happen, and she invited me to chat with her instead. She told me her name was Ghee, she lived in Bangkok, and was going back to Isaan next week. After a while some dude came over and spoke with her, trying to steal her from me under my nose. She chatted all of 2 minutes and then blew him off. I had won a face-off! Just to not come across as overly desperate I chatted up the other girl, who was more plain but looked like she actually had a day job.

I offered Ghee 2000 Baht and we walked to the Oasis motel. She had quite substantial tits, and nice curves for an optimal hip-to-waist ratio. Her hair was dyed blonde. She put on some music videos on the television and we started fucking after the shower. I had no idea in the bar, but once the clothes came off she was a real sl*t ("une authentique salope" as they say in French). She had a tongue piercing and gave me a sensual BBBJ with delightfully sexy eye contact. She had a small sl*t mark, a. K. a. A tattoo, on the back of her left shoulder, which looked like the traces left by the nails of a man who had savagely scratched her. I bet she likes that.

I fucked her in all the positions I knew, which is not many, and then turned off the TV because it was distracting me. After I came I paid her 2000 Baht.

With her tits bulging out of her dress, her very small piercing in one nostril, and her dyed-blonde hair, there were some sl*t tells, but I was too dumb to notice them in the bar. But it's nice every once in a while to stumble upon a girl who loves to fuck and please her man. One more good experience from Insomnia to add to a long list for me. This is the most reliable source of non-starfish experiences for me in Pattaya. I wouldn't repeat the girl, but I definitely will repeat the bar.

If she has a tongue piercing and gave you BBBJ, don't you think you are at a very very high risk for some very dangerous STD's?

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1764058]Started the night at the Hot Tuna Bar for some rock'and'roll, then made my way to Happy Go-Go bar. They have these girls that wear pretty beige dresses, and one of them sat next to me. We started talking and I offered her a lady drink. She says they go out like the other girls, they are not coyote, but they just do not dance. They talk. She was a pretty good talker, to be fair. It's a new concept I had never come across before.

Anyway, I did not barfine her, and instead walked over to the I-bar (upstairs). It was just before midnight so the San Miguel Light was still cheap. I did not see anything I fancied, so I took the back staircase to sample the ground-level Insomnia bar. Much more activity, especially near the water.

I walked past a table with two hot chicks, a sure sign they were on the take. One of them was hot and caught my eye. Normally I would be shy and not approach, but this being Pattaya I said to myself what the heck and opened the hot one with something lame. This being Pattaya, of course, the natural course of events in the Western world, which would be me getting blown out, didn't happen, and she invited me to chat with her instead..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1764090]If she has a tongue piercing and gave you BBBJ, don't you think you are at a very very high risk for some very dangerous STD's?[/QUOTE]Interesting point. Never crossed my mind, really. Maybe I'm too naive or innocent. The skin of my dick did not have its integrity breached, so I guess it would have fulfilled its protective role as it was designed to.

Scientifically speaking, I can agree that oral piercing is a co-factor raising the probability getting STD's from oral sex, but I just do not know by how much. My hunch is that it is not "very very high" unless she makes you bleed with her piercing. Which is relatively unlikely given that her objective is to get paid for providing pleasure, not pain.

[QUOTE=CharlieShine;1763674]So I just got back from Pattaya and thought I would try to give people heading over an indication of prices and the current state of play etc.

Firstly, I am a former Thai expat with a GF in Pattaya so I didn't indulge (much) and I was with a friend who was a first time visitor so I wanted to show him as much as possible.

Observations: things have changed a bit since I was here last with a few gogo's closed and some new ones opened. Things seemed a lot more sedate than usual.

Also, as it was off season many bars were mostly empty, especially the beer bars on Soi 7 and in the that general area.

Off season is good and bad. Good because girls are friendlier and you get more attention. Bad because the best girls have gone home and you get lots of Chinese tourists wandering walking street, taking stupid pictures and huddled like sheep besides some dude with a flag. Why don't they tether themselves together so they don't get lost, poor dears.

Fav club: I-bar, no contest. Hot girls, good music, just plain fun place. The hotties had the usual snobby attitude and there weren't so many uni students as I have seen before but still good fun. Lucifer was second. Gravity 7 still rock and the led singer Koii is still hot (shame she is gay!) LOL.

As for the disco's: Mix is hit and miss. Go early for the better girls cause after 3 am it resembles a kennel. Marine. Still full of ladyboys. I went to the other one near Marine (can't remember name) but it was dead.
Hope this helps.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Nice summary Charlie.

On the ground now and your analysis is spot on.

IBar is definitely the spot. Made a great girl there and spending a lot of time with her. Only negative side is that the place is now off limits for hunting as she is there on the nights I don't spend with her.

On nights I am not with her I have been filling in my dance card with trips to the Six, but I have exhausted all the limited talent there. Will try Mixx one of these nights and maybe Flexx or the new club Brooklyn. Though they are all a distant 2nd to Ibar.

Lucifer was totally dead the 2 times I popped in for a look. But maybe my timing was just off.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1764058] She had a small sl*t mark, a. K. a. A tattoo, on the back of her left shoulder, which looked like the traces left by the nails of a man who had savagely scratched her. I bet she likes that.[/QUOTE]You mean a tattoo like on this photo?

It is actually a "sacred" tattoo, protecting its wearer from all kinds of harm and giving all kinds of blessings. Angelina Jolie has one it seems. She'd be delighted to hear you call it a **** mark.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1764256]You mean a tattoo like on this photo?

It is actually a "sacred" tattoo, protecting its wearer from all kinds of harm and giving all kinds of blessings. Angelina Jolie has one it seems. She'd be delighted to hear you call it a **** mark.[/QUOTE]Yes that's exactly it, although a bit smaller! I am not an expert about tattoos, but if this one is indeed "sacred" as you say, I hope I have not offended Buddha. As for Angelina Jolie, she is in the category of women who are beddable but not marriage material.

[QUOTE=JpDixx82;1763195]Anything else you may wish to point out. Will be ever grateful![/QUOTE]Something tells me you have not RTFF.

Dear friends,

We are a married couple approaching 40 who are keen to taste the pleasures of Pattaya.

We are reaching in 1st week of September for 2 nights and 3 days. We have the following queries.

1. My wife is looking for a hot male to give her a sensual massage and maybe more if she likes him. Can members.

Suggest if there are spas where this is available. Also any out call service providers that we can call to our hotel room?

2 we keen to go for a couple soapy massage. Members please suggest which one is best for this.

3 Is the devils den a good place for couples. What would be the price of we take a cop of girls. Is it better.

To call them to hotel?

Thanks please help.

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I saw this advertisement on Facebook from a bar called Baileys Soi7:

"1000 Baht a night for lady's to work in my bar, plus lady drinks. Please contact me for more info. ".

Is this a normal salary for a bargirl?

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1764825]I saw this advertisement on Facebook from a bar called Baileys Soi7:

"1000 Baht a night for lady's to work in my bar, plus lady drinks. Please contact me for more info. ".

Is this a normal salary for a bargirl?[/QUOTE]NO it is not. 1000 Baht a night for bargirls, he wouldn't be open very long.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1762732]Thai girls are conservative and very cleanliness fastidious, as had already been said. Not that many are into being fucked in the ass. Some do it, only for money. Some girls don't even want to kiss. In many years, only about 3 or 4 Thai girls ever asked me to fuck them in the ass. One of them for extra money, one only because it was her period. This is not South America.

You just want to have fun. But don't you ever ask yourself why what you ask for is fun?

Thai girls are not so influenced by the porn that they want to do repulsive things, even for small money. There are places in Thailand to go to push the boundaries a little. Its no problem to get covered ass fucking, no problem to get girls into lesbian activities, no problem to do CIM, no problem to molest and fuck girls in public bar area with others watching. Can you be satisfied with more normal Thai style waywardness?

I might be stupid or conservative, but during sex, I am also trying to make the girl have a good time and even orgasm. I like girls who like fucking, and are not just taking the money only.

Where is the fun in trying to make girls do things they don't want to do?

Do you want to cum swap, lick a dick that has just been in a shithole, etc. ? I trust not. It probably would not be fun. I don't even want a girl to finger my ass.

Money high enough can buy anything to make it "consentual" , but where is the fun that gives you value for money? Thailand is not the best place for imitating extreme porn. Ugly older East European hookers, as others suggest, maybe?[/QUOTE]GFE is pretty easy to come by in Thailand. If you want a girl to drink in bars and nightclubs with you and spend the night in your bed; snuggle up to you in the morning before going out for lunch and then an afternoon shopping together, well there are few places better than Thailand for this. To get a girl to do all that with you in another country would cost x number of times more than it would cost in Thailand as escorts in other countries normally charge by the hour.

I want to experience the PSE as much as I can and whilst I am still young and functional enough to be able to fully participate in and enjoy it.

Threesomes are fairly easy to get, whether from bar girls or freelances, and there are glimpses from various places of the you-can-get-whatever-what-you-want, disposable sex that is supposed to be be available from the Thai sex scene.

-lesbian shows, fucking with dildos on tables in open door bars such as Windmill.

-blow job bars where girls are happy to spend their time on their knees sucking the bare dicks of anyone who walks in off the street.

-Soi 6 bars where many girls will offer to fuck ass, often shouting excruciating details to strangers walking by in about what they will do for them.

-many bar girls / freelancers can be persuaded to bareback in order to provide that special GFE so that they can get the money they are looking for (or even get paid at all).

But it seems that Thai girls are conservative by nature and don't tend to enjoy the sort of adventurous sex that Western girls may tend to indulge in.

The problem is that you don't know for sure what sort of girl she is going to turn out to be once she gets to the bedroom. PSE or GFE. How slutty she dresses and how hot for you she appears to be in the bar / nightclub is often no reliable indicator.

On the last big birthday that I celebrated in Thailand I got a freelancer back to my bedroom. She spread her legs and I was about to bury my bare, rock hard erection inside when she protested "but I am working girl! She then fell asleep and could not be roused in the morning.

On another occasion on just a regular night in Bangkok I picked up a Nana car park freelancer who was happy to bareback on video for no extra charge, taking great enjoyment in leisurely licking my rusty bullet hole whilst addressing the camera with corny lines like "you have a beautiful ass? It tastes so sweet!, I love it. "

So nothing is guaranteed and as they say in Pattaya you should never make plans because plans go out the window as soon as you get there.

"As for the issue of bareback, the consensus seems to have been over the years it is that it is not that difficult to find. If a girl thinks that a guy is reluctant to wear one and won't give them any money if they have to then there is a fair chance that she will give in and do it without once she gets to the room. So there are probably many dozens of punters in Pattaya barebacking on any given night of the week with hookers they have just met. Barebacking is potentially harmful to your health (but so is smoking) but the chances of catching HIV / lung cancer from one incidence of barebacking / smoking is fairly low. Probably much lower than being involved in a car crash if you have been drinking or texting, and how many people do that every day? In the context of a one-off birthday celebration the risk might be considered acceptable".

Sorry but this paragraph is just full of rubbish and needs correcting. Saying that you have a low chance of infection from BB is not right. Please do not propagate these type of myths on this board.

Number 1: Pattaya has changed a lot in the 10 years I have been going. Less and less girls are doing BB and the ones that are, well lets just say they have less opportunities to make money than other girls. The safe sex message has come about because Thailand has a very high degree of HIV infection and ant-viral drugs are prohibitively expensive. Girls first and foremost work in bars to make and send money to their family. They are not here solely for our pleasure no matter how much we tell ourselves the opposite or how much we pay them. Why risk their lives or your own on an hour or so of BB? I'm not a fan of condoms but really, the feeling is not so different and waking up in the morning without stressing is priceless.

Number 2: Do you honestly think that catching HIV and lung cancer are in any way the same? One occurs in a single instance, the other is cumulative. What kind of twisted logic conflates the two?

Number 3: Its never 'acceptable' to risk your life or others lives having unprotected sex. Mate, you have zero credibility on this matter, you're just some anonymous dude on ISG. DATY / BBBJ all carry a very very small risk of HIV infection and a higher risk of STD infection. But BB sex carries a significantly higher risk and depends on a lot of factors beyond our control from the state of ones penis to the state of the girls vag. Micro tears in the girl or near the tip of your dick all allow infection to occur.

These are check able facts. I suggest you arm yourself with them before you endanger your life or the lives of people you try to advise.

This has been a community service announcement! LOL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1763357]I have never seen someone pick apart a perfectly good post like this before. Very interesting. Thanks for the good report and don't worry about this thing. Keep posting.[/QUOTE]I thought this was a great critique! Excellent report and a great critique of how things might have been done better. We need reports from everyone, but to really learn we need these type of critiques. I hope the OP did not feel like he was being picked on, as I don't think he was, but was happy to get some excellent feedback from one with experience. I have been to Pattaya once, and I reported on my pathetic experience, and hope to get back there later this year. These types of reviews are exactly what I like to see.

[QUOTE=PritiMohit;1764724]Dear friends,

We are a married couple approaching 40 who are keen to taste the pleasures of Pattaya.


2 we keen to go for a couple soapy massage. Members please suggest which one is best for this.

3 Is the devils den a good place for couples. What would be the price of we take a cop of girls. Is it better.
[/QUOTE]I am not sure about the soapies in Pattaya for a couple but I assume they are the same policy as one in BKK that I visited with my g / f. We each took a girl and all 4 of us went to the same room. There are several nice soapies close to each other honey, sabaidee hard to miss them.

Have you even visited the devils den website? The price is very clearly listed for a couple of girls whether its an hour or two whether its at your hotel or on site. Yes it is a good place for couples to go as the girls are guaranteed to be bisexual.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1765171]I thought this was a great critique! Excellent report and a great critique of how things might have been done better. We need reports from everyone, but to really learn we need these type of critiques. I hope the OP did not feel like he was being picked on[/QUOTE]Exactly. And that is why I stated at the end that it was a great report. He gave us everything we needed to know. Who, where, when, and how much. I hate when guys make a post and say they picked up a chick and proceed to write something out of PH Forum and never tell us how much it set them back. I don't care about what you were doing in the room with her. Fucking is pretty much the same the world over. But if I was to visit XYZ city in ABC country, I want to know where I can pick chicks up, what time will they be there, and how much are they going to cost me and probably how long I can have them at that price. He did a great job of that.

Dear friends,

We are a married couple approaching 40 who are keen to taste the pleasures of Pattaya.

We are reaching in 1st week of September for 2 nights and 3 days. We have the following queries.

1. My wife is looking for a hot male to give her a sensual massage and maybe more if she likes him. Can members.

Suggest if there are spas where this is available. Also any out call service providers that we can call to our hotel room?

2 we keen to go for a couple soapy massage. Members please suggest which one is best for this.

3 Is the devils den a good place for couples. What would be the price of we take a cop of girls. Is it better.

To call them to hotel?

Thanks please help.

I tried with my (non Thai) GF to go to Devilsden - (I've been there before on my own, and it was not bad).

The owner wanted me to pay for two girls, and refused that I would take only one.

Of course I could have paid for two and take only one, but I did not like this idea at all.

We ended up the same night picking a girl from a gogo club, one that performed a lesbi show with another girl on the stage.

It was nice!