Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Buscemi;1447368]This is not Kansas, unless you have a model release signed, it is very easy to be extorted.[/QUOTE]Why would you need a model release for a home video (and one that only showed people in a pool as well as drinking and smoking at that)? That would mean any Joe or Jane walking down Pedro Clisante or on Sosua Beach with a video camera could wind up in deep shit.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1447387]The police offered attorneys to the American and told them that he would otherwise have a serious problem and would go to jail. In the early hours of the morning came the lawyers called by the police and offered him freedom for $ 2, 500. Trying to scare the American and warning him that he would go to jail. This offer was rejected and after some legal proceedings he was able to get out of the situation.[/QUOTE]Wow! Just a few weeks ago I posted that as Americans we have to stand up against being extorted by these girls, and I promptly got trashed by certain members for my viewpoints! Here is an American who they were trying to get 2500 fucking dollars from and he refused to pay. (I guess the members on this board would have paid the 2500K with a quickness as soon as the crooked cop made a threat). Guess what would have happened if that man had paid that 2500? The girl and the police would have gone out this week and tried to get another American, but they would have asked for 5k the next time!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1447415]Why would you need a model release for a home video (and one that only showed people in a pool as well as drinking and smoking at that)?[/QUOTE]That would be a valid argument if you were talking about the USA, LOL!

We are talking about a corrupt 3rd world country in a town were the chicas are in cahoots with the police, lawyers and judges. Also, the chicas in that video were in the pool naked.

"None of those naked girls were older than 18yrs old", said the Dominican Judge."Oh, they were? Prove it", he continued. "...after you pay out the ass to get out of jail first. Oh, and leave your passport at the front desk on your way out. It's probably going to take you a while to track down every one of those chicas in your video to get a copy of their cedula..."

The minute everyone stops attaching US logic and rationale to 3rd world logic and rationale, things start to become less confusing.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1447417]Wow! Just a few weeks ago I posted that as Americans we have to stand up against being extorted by these girls, and I promptly got trashed by certain members for my viewpoints! Here is an American who they were trying to get 2500 fucking dollars from and he refused to pay. (I guess the members on this board would have paid the 2500K with a quickness as soon as the crooked cop made a threat).[/QUOTE]You left this part out:

"por lo que esta oferta fue rechazada y después de algunas diligencias legales realizadas por un familiar suyo por ser dominicano lograron salir"

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1447387]So this offer was rejected and after some legal proceedings were conducted [b]by a Dominican family member being able to get him out...[/b][/QUOTE]This makes their case unique, agreed?

I don't know about you, but I do not have any Dominican family members living in the DR that would be able to "get me out".

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1447423]You left this part out:

"por lo que esta oferta fue rechazada why después de algunas diligencias legales realizadas por un familiar suyo por ser dominicano lograron salir"

This makes their case unique, agreed?

I don't know about you, but I do not have any Dominican family members living in the DR that would be able to "get me out".[/QUOTE]Dominican family member of the American? Or Dominican family member of the Dominican guide, Manny?

No problems so far. If you are so sour why are you on the site. Mr gloom and doom. Were you ever a victim of a scam? I know no one who has been scammed. Get from under your dark cloud and post at another forum.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1447411]You've got it ass-backwards brotha: I have not been back to Sosua since May 2012. Sosua will not be missed!

Be sure to make friends with as many DR lawyers and bondsmen as possible on your next trip. Sounds like you're going to need them when your chica tells her police buddies that the video you made of you and her to show your friends back home was filmed without her permission. I predict that once they extort your ass for 60k pesos that it will be your very last trip to Sosua, LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1447412]Do these Dominicans realize why tourist come to a shit hole place like Sosua is for the women? Besides the women what else is there to do in Sosua? Go to the Beach? I can fly to Miami.

I can understand why some country's are 3rd World. A Dominicans Mindset is so backward![/QUOTE]Careful, OldDrool will accuse you of being under a dark cloud for shitting on his reality. He lives in a world were there is no such thing as as evil. Everything is gum drops and lollipops, and Unicorns that shit rainbows.

Just don't ask him where to go to get a haircut there or you may end up having to call the police (although I'm sure he would love to convinently forget about that story...).

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1447387]Good article about how putas in Sosua extort money from gringo tourists.

[url]http://detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2708-denuncian-se-asocian-prostitutas-policias-y-abogados-para-extorsionar-a-turistas-simulando-violencia-de-genero[/url]

Sosua. A citizen reported the afternoon of Tuesday the existence of a mafia among prostitutes, police and lawyers who are associated to extort foreign tourists visiting this city, pretending that they have exercised physical violence against women offering sexual services.

Manuel Brito who serves as tour guide, among other things, reported to.

[url]www.detrasdelrumor.com[/url]

, that last Thursday at about 1:00 am they were next to two American citizens walking in front of a bar in the Clisante Pedro Street, several women approached him and offered sexual services to their friends, one of them after sharing some conversations turned down the offer of a young prostitute under whom he identified as Katherine Perez, prompting an attack by the chica.

Brito said the puta took a bottle and broke two of the lights to the guys jeep, and no police helped him. He went to the police station and was himself detained. Later the chica shows up with an officer and files a complaint.

The police offered attorneys to the American and told them that he would otherwise have a serious problem and would go to jail. In the early hours of the morning came the lawyers called by the police and offered him freedom for $ 2, 500. Trying to scare the American and warning him that he would go to jail. This offer was rejected and after some legal proceedings he was able to get out of the situation.

Manuel Brito, said these actions are performed very often in this city against tourists and described as a plague of prostitutes, police and lawyers to destroy tourism in this city and nobody does anything.[/QUOTE]Who reports this stuff? First there are two guys WALKING down Clisante at 1 AM.does not state their condition such as drunk.which is when are the pros take advantage of them-So they are WALKING-they don't want the girls.How does the girls know they have a JEEP?
So of course the cops standing on Clisante did nothing witnessing this ???

----Best part of this crap article---A SOSUA CITIZEN REPORTED THIS ??????------so this citizen reported it to who--when and lastly how did the citizen know all the details that took place --
WHAT A JOKE !!!!


-------MANUEL BRITO serves as a TOUR GUIDE----of what ???? Where is his WEBSITE ????

[QUOTE=Bkgee; 1447388]They didn't take his passport.

Yes he paid some money, but it wasn't 60, 000 pesos.

Oh yeah, he is home, for about a month now, He called 2 times already since he got back.

I love some of the bullShit on this board, LOL!

Get your facts straight first before you post, SMDH.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing this up-once again on this site for you readers.BE VERY LEERY OF REPORTS OF EXTORTION-Its amazing as long as I've been going I never talked to anyone nor have I ever witnesses any of these examples on Clisante or anywhere in Sosua concerning 'chicas' and police working together to extort $$$$.Does it happen probably to drunken idiots-that's their problem if it does.

Thanks for the post Orgasmico. It shows that the cops are corrupt, and the girls run scams. Luckily he had some Dominican connections that came to his rescue.

we haven't had a troll in these parts for a long while. just ignore him and eventually he will go away. from his highly emotional responses it seems that zedman, i mean zelda, may be mensturating.

hopefully she is wearing her helmet while typing because we wouldn't want wittle zelda's mommy to catch her "typing while retarded."

thankfully school will be back in session in a few weeks and we will stop having all these ****s who pretend to have passports coming to our site and interrupting adult conversations.

my first thought was that zelda is actually a member of the politur afraid that we have exposed their little con game. but that would be giving them way too much credit.

preparation for troll starving: the first phase of eliminating a troll is to stop feeding it, i.e. not reponding to the troll's fantastical ramblings, and thereby acknowledging the troll's existence.

however, this in turn will lead to "post stalking" by said troll, which is defined as a desperate (also now known as "thirsty") attempt at eliciting a response from you. it will be a clear indication that the troll has entered into the "starvation phase".

watch for it...

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1447189]More of what the future holds for Sosua.

[url]http://youtu.be/uLhN6-gc34w[/url][/QUOTE]Haven't we seen these idiots? Thought I'd watched this clip before. Admittedly, too difficult to watch the whole thing again.

[quote=savepros321; 1447611]we haven't had a troll in these parts for a long while. just ignore him and eventually he will go away. from his highly emotional responses it seems that zedman, i mean zelda, may be mensturating.

hopefully she is wearing her helmet while typing because we wouldn't want wittle zelda's mommy to catch her "typing while retarded."

thankfully school will be back in session in a few weeks and we will stop having all these ****s who pretend to have passports coming to our site and interrupting adult conversations.

my first thought was that zelda is actually a member of the politur afraid that we have exposed their little con game. but that would be giving them way too much credit.

preparation for troll starving: the first phase of eliminating a troll is to stop feeding it, i. e. not reponding to the troll's fantastical ramblings, and thereby acknowledging the troll's existence.

however, this in turn will lead to "post stalking" by said troll, which is defined as a desperate (also now known as "thirsty") attempt at eliciting a response from you. it will be a clear indication that the troll has entered into the "starvation phase".

watch for it.[/quote]be leery of posters .savepro123 is a prime example-admitted not being and sosua since 2012-but still knows every thing.zelda oh how cute-real adult comment there-personal attacks just solidify my point

[quote=savepros321; 1447611]we haven't had a troll in these parts for a long while. just ignore him and eventually he will go away. from his highly emotional responses it seems that zedman, i mean zelda, may be mensturating.

hopefully she is wearing her helmet while typing because we wouldn't want wittle zelda's mommy to catch her "typing while retarded."

thankfully school will be back in session in a few weeks and we will stop having all these ****s who pretend to have passports coming to our site and interrupting adult conversations.

my first thought was that zelda is actually a member of the politur afraid that we have exposed their little con game. but that would be giving them way too much credit.

preparation for troll starving: the first phase of eliminating a troll is to stop feeding it, i. e. not reponding to the troll's fantastical ramblings, and thereby acknowledging the troll's existence.

however, this in turn will lead to "post stalking" by said troll, which is defined as a desperate (also now known as "thirsty") attempt at eliciting a response from you. it will be a clear indication that the troll has entered into the "starvation phase".

watch for it.[/quote]great post savepros. our goal here should be to keep the board flowing in a positive direction. if we keep encouraging people who have negative and racial comments the board will soon be under moderation. that means every post will be subject to delay and inspection. it makes me think that this is what some people want. some people don't want positive info relating to sosua so that they can scare off mongers.

i commend the brothers and the white guys for not feeding into the recent racial bullshit. please understand isg brothers that people have goals to diminish this board. when people say cops arent corrupt and they have never had problems with girls, that tells me that they have not done much in the dr. we all know who the trolls are so why even entertain them?

I sit in my hotel room at New Garden as I write this report. I just had to come to Sosua to see what all the fuss was about. Having been to the Philippines 9 times. I can tell you this will be my 1st and last time to Sosua. Yea it's a longer plane ride to Philas but everything in Philas is twice as good. Ladies are much prettier more GFE and just a much nicer overall experience for similar cost. Oh well, I'm sure this will stir up some sh#t with Sosua die hards but don't knock it til you tried it. Peace.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1447662]I sit in my hotel room at New Garden as I write this report. I just had to come to Sosua to see what all the fuss was about. Having been to the Philippines 9 times. I can tell you this will be my 1st and last time to Sosua. Yea it's a longer plane ride to Philas but everything in Philas is twice as good. Ladies are much prettier more GFE and just a much nicer overall experience for similar cost. Oh well, I'm sure this will stir up some sh#t with Sosua die hards but don't knock it til you tried it. Peace.[/QUOTE]No problem bro. Most Sosua vets have already developed other spots. We understand what it was compared to what it is. It's just a sideshow now.

BUt, I do not like slim built women. The average PI girl has no appeal for me. I know there are a few thick girls but they are the acception. The cost for the flight is more then I pay for my whole trip. It is a question of taste. I like most brothers like that big but girls / Asian women on average do not make the grade.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1447662]I sit in my hotel room at New Garden as I write this report. I just had to come to Sosua to see what all the fuss was about. Having been to the Philippines 9 times. I can tell you this will be my 1st and last time to Sosua. Yea it's a longer plane ride to Philas but everything in Philas is twice as good. Ladies are much prettier more GFE and just a much nicer overall experience for similar cost. Oh well, I'm sure this will stir up some sh#t with Sosua die hards but don't knock it til you tried it. Peace.[/QUOTE]

The club and facilities were doing fine on my trips There are people who only rag on Sosua. I have no clue why. It has everything a monger could ask for. Wine women and song. Truth be told mongers are the life blood of Sosua. The balk of the economy is based on monger business. The money guys know this. I like most guys have a ball there. Every variety of 20 year old pussy you could ask for. So all you sour ass mongers go where ever you want but for my dollars Sosua works big time.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1447662]I sit in my hotel room at New Garden as I write this report. I just had to come to Sosua to see what all the fuss was about. Having been to the Philippines 9 times. I can tell you this will be my 1st and last time to Sosua. Yea it's a longer plane ride to Philas but everything in Philas is twice as good. Ladies are much prettier more GFE and just a much nicer overall experience for similar cost. Oh well, I'm sure this will stir up some sh#t with Sosua die hards but don't knock it til you tried it. Peace.[/QUOTE]The problem with mongering is that it is a law of diminishing returns wherever you go. At first the monger feels ecstatic when he discovers a world of attractive, enthusiastic young women he can have sex with who would not normally be available to him, but gradually the novelty wears off and he has experimented with threesomes, foursomes, the beautiful, the ugly, the fat, the thin, the young, the old, the dark and the fair, and at the end he is left asking himself, like Peggy Lee in the famous song,"Is that all there is?"

For someone who has never traveled overseas for a sex vacation and who lives in the eastern seaboard of the USA, the DR is not a bad place to start, and Sosua is the most obvious destination due to the fact that a single man can enjoy sex, good food, a pedestrian lifestyle, and not feel out of place being a single man on vacation. Due to the multinational nature of the area, Spanish is optional, which is an additional plus for some.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1447736]The club and facilities were doing fine on my trips There are people who only rag on Sosua. I have no clue why. It has everything a monger could ask for. Wine women and song. Truth be told mongers are the life blood of Sosua. The balk of the economy is based on monger business. The money guys know this. I like most guys have a ball there. Every variety of 20 year old pussy you could ask for. So all you sour ass mongers go where ever you want but for my dollars Sosua works big time.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, this isn't an either / or proposition. While you may not have experienced any of these issues personally doesn't mean they are not frequently happening to others. I originally linked to the articule in the other Sosua thread and the comments by the locals made it seem like an everyday occurrence. I'm not suggesting nobody visit the place but simply to be aware of the dangers. For example less than one tenth of one percent of the population in Mexico directly knows someone killed in the drug war. But what percentage is cognizant of the threat? I'd guess 95. IMO Sosua has become like that really popular bar / club / restaurant back home that something tragic is always taking place at. The vast majority will come and go without problems but if you happen to be the unfortunate mark that day then I hope you have deep pockets.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1447662]I sit in my hotel room at New Garden as I write this report. I just had to come to Sosua to see what all the fuss was about. Having been to the Philippines 9 times. I can tell you this will be my 1st and last time to Sosua. Yea it's a longer plane ride to Philas but everything in Philas is twice as good. Ladies are much prettier more GFE and just a much nicer overall experience for similar cost. Oh well, I'm sure this will stir up some sh#t with Sosua die hards but don't knock it til you tried it. Peace.[/QUOTE]You are right AC and many other places in Asia beat Sosua hands down, it's no competition AC runs circles around Sosua and every other place in Latin America. I also agree I think the Asian women are better looking (just a personal preference). As I like to say Sosua is a poor man's Asia. However, Sosua has three things AC and the rest of Asia does not have. Location, Location, Location, Sosua is the one place I can get on a plane Thursday morning and be there in three or four hours and then be back Monday morning to conduct class. If I have four or five days its Sosua, if I have a week or more its Asia. Sosua isn't Asia but it isn't bad either.

By the way I'm in town right now as well, I'm just down the road from you at Ricks place, send me a PM and let me know if you want to meet up.

Chris

[QUOTE=Frannie;1447768]The problem with mongering is that it is a law of diminishing returns wherever you go. At first the monger feels ecstatic when he discovers a world of attractive, enthusiastic young women he can have sex with who would not normally be available to him, but gradually the novelty wears off .[/QUOTE]Very thoughtful and well put.

Also it's not just the Sosua vets longing for the "old Sosua", seems like mongers on the Colombia boards are saying things aren't like what they used to be; Costa Rica, Dong Guan China, Rio Brazil. Heck even the same sentiments are shared on the Angeles City Philippines board!

Most guys go to Sosua for the Haitian girls. They have studied under the Dominican girls. They have become hardcore Prostitutes that only want your money. It is even difficult to get one to spend the night anymore because many of them have boyfriends or pimps. This was told to me by a friend since I am a retired monger. I am not pushing for you to go to Haiti but things are changing and nothing beats a good Haitian girl that just wants to have sex and prefers the older guys

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1447662]I sit in my hotel room at New Garden as I write this report. I just had to come to Sosua to see what all the fuss was about. Having been to the Philippines 9 times. I can tell you this will be my 1st and last time to Sosua. Yea it's a longer plane ride to Philas but everything in Philas is twice as good. Ladies are much prettier more GFE and just a much nicer overall experience for similar cost. Oh well, I'm sure this will stir up some sh#t with Sosua die hards but don't knock it til you tried it. Peace.[/QUOTE]Yeah Sosua is Nice but once you step your game up and go to a place like the Philippines, You will be bored with a place like Sosua. Every Year that passes the Girls are becoming more and more hardcore, Because they have sucker ass Western Union Boyfriends. So they don't even have to work as hard anymore. Why work hard when you got some loser sending $300-$400 a month.

While in the Philippines, The Girls do not know there value because there's few Americans that travel to the Philippines too but them on pedestal. So they do not know there value and would appreciate having just a Hot Meal and they are way more laid back.

I used to Go to Sosua every 3 months (Or 4-5 times a Year) , Now I might go maybe once a year now, Its just not worth it like how it used to. Airline Tickets are getting more and more expensive

The Girls are way more hardcore, and they are asking for 3,000-4,000 pesos and your lucky if they spend the night. Plus most suck in bed and after a couple minutes they are asking "You leche papi", You Leche?

Even in Brazil the girls are expensive but at least they love to fuck and are freaky as hell. Just my 2 cents.

Most guys go to the DR for Dr women. I enjoy Haitian girls very much. However DR girls are more attractive to me. The haitian girls work harder and will accept less cash to compensate. Most young guys are down for numbers not GFE. So you get what you are looking for. The Girls respond by being short term oriented. We are blaming them for behavior we created. The majority of girls I dealt with were not hardcore. Possibly because I speak enough Spanish to tell the difference. I think all this fear of scammers is way over blown. Thousands of guys go every month and have zero issues. Guys pining for the good old days are living in the past. These are the good old days for me. Rumbas and Dlatins are rolling. The action is always moving. Guys are treating girls like working girls and the girls see this. It creates a bad vibe.

[QUOTE=BadBear2000;1447863]Most guys go to Sosua for the Haitian girls. They have studied under the Dominican girls. They have become hardcore Prostitutes that only want your money. It is even difficult to get one to spend the night anymore because many of them have boyfriends or pimps. This was told to me by a friend since I am a retired monger. I am not pushing for you to go to Haiti but things are changing and nothing beats a good Haitian girl that just wants to have sex and prefers the older guys[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons; 1447857]Very thoughtful and well put.

Also it's not just the Sosua vets longing for the "old Sosua", seems like mongers on the Colombia boards are saying things aren't like what they used to be; Costa Rica, Dong Guan China, Rio Brazil. Heck even the same sentiments are shared on the Angeles City Philippines board![/QUOTE]Right. Here is something that was posted just today in the forum for Cartagena, Colombia.

[QUOTE]Went to check out La Dolce Vita club tonight. I was sadly disappointed. The quality is not what it was two years ago. Maybe I'll try back on the weekend. But really the last time I was there I was like a kid in a candy store, trying to decide between which hot chica I wanted. Tonight all I saw were 6's, 7's, and a sprinkle of eights.[/QUOTE]

dlatins, classicos and after 1 are all run by the same partners and an agreement was made to close classicos "for awhile" so that other business ventures could grow. classicos is available for private and special events.

i witnessed a fight break out at d'latins between two haitian girls. one pulled a knife and stabbed the other repeatedly. that girl later bled out and died. the other one was reportedly found raped, with a broken neck and dead in charamicos.

haitian girls are hassled regularly and beaten by police. as are the haitian males. the recent crackdown targeted haitian owned "businesses", but were reported as "massage parlors". many were boutiques and hair salons and from what i could tell, not at all involved in the selling of sexual services. three around the corner from me were shut down, even though they never even appeared to be open. the haitian males are targeted more often for moto-confirep001ion. in all cases, the dominicans see the haitians as competition. they no longer want to lose money to them, so the "crackdowns" here, are more about that, than anything else.

the police hassled me one night while i stood on the sidewalk, down past the plan b bar, texting my friend. they asked me why i was here, where i was staying and what i was doing. in between answers, they were whispering to each other and acting suspicious. they let me go, but the whole event was uncomfortable.

i found a gun (minus the slide and the clip) laying in a gutter across from rumbas. i did not touch it or even say anything to the police about it. not my business.

i have met many locals and talked to them about a wide variety of things. i suggest many of you do the same. it may change the way some folks conduct themselves down here.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1447867].they have sucker ass Western Union Boyfriends.[/QUOTE]Those are not exclusive of Sosua, there are plenty of "Western Union Boyfriends" in the Philippines too, and in every other country were we travel for fun. Most of us travel to get what we can't get at home (I rather would say "we are too shy to get at home") , and when we encounter the "receptivity" of the ladies out there, many of us "board" the deception train thinking that the hoes really fell for us, and then we do the "normal thing", start sending money to keep them away from the bar scene. In reality, we are just walking ATM for them, idiots to be taken advantage of. Don't get me wrong, I was one of those idiots in the past, and the hardest part was that I didn't do it out of love but out of pity (I don't like relationships because they are opposite to what I really like, freedom). Since then I learned that I don't have to remediate a problem I didn't create.

By the way, I really want to go to the Philippines, it sounds like fun, as we speak, my buddy is there having a blast!

[quote=beats; 1448144]dlatins, classicos and after 1 are all run by the same partners and an agreement was made to close classicos "for awhile" so that other business ventures could grow. classicos is available for private and special events.

i witnessed a fight break out at d'latins between two haitian girls. one pulled a knife and stabbed the other repeatedly. that girl later bled out and died. the other one was reportedly found raped, with a broken neck and dead in charamicos.

haitian girls are hassled regularly and beaten by police. as are the haitian males. the recent crackdown targeted haitian owned "businesses", but were reported as "massage parlors". many were boutiques and hair salons and from what i could tell, not at all involved in the selling of sexual services. three around the corner from me were shut down, even though they never even appeared to be open. the haitian males are targeted more often for moto-confirep001ion. in all cases, the dominicans see the haitians as competition. they no longer want to lose money to them, so the "crackdowns" here, are more about that, than anything else.

the police hassled me one night while i stood on the sidewalk, down past the plan b bar, texting my friend. they asked me why i was here, where i was staying and what i was doing. in between answers, they were whispering to each other and acting suspicious. they let me go, but the whole event was uncomfortable.

i found a gun (minus the slide and the clip) laying in a gutter across from rumbas. i did not touch it or even say anything to the police about it. not my business.

i have met many locals and talked to them about a wide variety of things. i suggest many of you do the same. it may change the way some folks conduct themselves down here.[/quote]just curious about what you thought was going on when the police (politur?) were hassling you on the sidewalk. in my experience the haitian girls openly at clubs have passports and visas and are still pretty shy of the police.

Anyone in Sosua 7/25. 7/29? We can hangout together and I could use some Spanish help.

[QUOTE=Beats;1448144]The recent crackdown targeted Haitian owned "businesses", but were reported as "massage parlors". Many were boutiques and hair salons and from what I could tell, not at all involved in the selling of sexual services. Three around the corner from me were shut down, even though they never even appeared to be open.[/QUOTE]Since this occurred I have counted eleven places that are closed with the "Clausurado" signs posted, including some "salons". As far as I know all of them featured Haitian chicas offering massages (sex). It was reported that there were sixteen closures. The other five might include the three around the corner from you. The ones I know of are on Dr. Rosen (3) , Alejandro (4) , near the back entrance of Casa Marina (2) , on the road down to the beach (2).

Hi all your NG guys,

I am not staying at New Garden, but last night I was told by a chica on the strip, that there is a very busty chica that works in the bar at NG that go with clients and others. If anyone can confirm that and have some contact info about her, I will be very pleased to receive a PM.

Thanks a lot,

MB

I think about visiting Sosua during late Oct.

Anyone ever been there during Halloween? Do they do anything special? Costumes? Parties? Etc

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1444812]In your opinion what is the demographics that is attracting all these fat chics?

Obviously, not the German, French, or Italians. Per your post. And I don't think it is the Canadians either.[/QUOTE]I believe the culturally accurate term is PHAT boot, meaning women of heft who have large asses. I occasionally like this look, but I from my observation it is largely American men from NYC, where I am from too.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1448530]I think about visiting Sosua during late Oct.

Anyone ever been there during Halloween? Do they do anything special? Costumes? Parties? Etc[/QUOTE]Yes. There are usually multiple venues hosting Halloween themed parties.

when did that happen? any more details, including names?

and yes, practically all the haitian girls carry blades / knives for self defense.

and they will tell you they do not carry those to defend themselves from mongers but from "crazy girls."

[quote=beats; 1448144][. ]

i witnessed a fight break out at d'latins between two haitian girls. one pulled a knife and stabbed the other repeatedly. that girl later bled out and died. the other one was reportedly found raped, with a broken neck and dead in charamicos.[/quote]

Well I've moved here to live at <Infinit-blu. Com 3wks ago after never being in the DR before but reading for 5 years all blogs ever written on this thread. Just surreal: So many 8's. 9's and 10's all day, all night. Pretty girls? Surprising to me Sosua blows Medillin and San Salvador away completely for quality. From all my reading I was still completely surprised by the quality of both faces and bodys. Just mind boggling. You'd only see some of these girls on like the Spanish "Romantica' channels. You could fill a Playboy magazine ten times over in just one day / night. And because these woman are exotic looking (different than we are used to) a DR 8 in the USA would be called a 9. The girls I've been with have all been very friendly, not robotic. I had one exception however. Girl came back to my room. Only wanted to give massage. After some non-heated arguing I figured best to pay her half. In general I've been paying $1,500 for 8's and $2,000 for 9's. Bored? I have not even scratched the surface of the potential here. Note; The people are extremely friendly to me and to each other. As one American here said."They are like brothers and sisters." He also added "It rubs off on us too." Nice.

Gary de Colorado

[QUOTE=Gary2;1448748]In general I've been paying $1,500 for 8's and $2,000 for 9's.[/QUOTE]USD? Or RD?

Looks like a nice place, but from Google Maps it also looks to be very far from the main action.

Thanks for the report. I share your perspective of Sosua. Lately some guys have been ragging on the place. The truth is the numbers are so great any guy can find a 8 or 9 any time they want, The girls are motivated to please. Sosua is like Christmas every day.

[QUOTE=Gary2; 1448748]Well I've moved here to live at <Infinit-blu. Com 3wks ago after never being in the DR before but reading for 5 years all blogs ever written on this thread. Just surreal: So many 8's. 9's and 10's all day, all night. Pretty girls? Surprising to me Sosua blows Medillin and San Salvador away completely for quality. From all my reading I was still completely surprised by the quality of both faces and bodys. Just mind boggling. You'd only see some of these girls on like the Spanish "Romantica' channels. You could fill a Playboy magazine ten times over in just one day / night. And because these woman are exotic looking (different than we are used to) a DR 8 in the USA would be called a 9. The girls I've been with have all been very friendly, not robotic. I had one exception however. Girl came back to my room. Only wanted to give massage. After some non-heated arguing I figured best to pay her half. In general I've been paying $1, 500 for 8's and $2, 000 for 9's. Bored? I have not even scratched the surface of the potential here. Note; The people are extremely friendly to me and to each other. As one American here said."They are like brothers and sisters." He also added "It rubs off on us too." Nice.

Gary de Colorado[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gary2; 1448748]Surprising to me Sosua blows Medillin and San Salvador away completely for quality.

Gary de Colorado[/QUOTE]Medillin maybe, I haven't been there yet, hahaha. But I have been to a place called Medellin, you should go there, it's much nicer in every aspect than Sosua, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Gary2; 1448748]Well I've moved here to live at <Infinit-blu. Com 3wks ago after never being in the DR before but reading for 5 years all blogs ever written on this thread. Just surreal: So many 8's. 9's and 10's all day, all night. Pretty girls? Surprising to me Sosua blows Medillin and San Salvador away completely for quality. From all my reading I was still completely surprised by the quality of both faces and bodys. Just mind boggling. You'd only see some of these girls on like the Spanish "Romantica' channels. You could fill a Playboy magazine ten times over in just one day / night. And because these woman are exotic looking (different than we are used to) a DR 8 in the USA would be called a 9. The girls I've been with have all been very friendly, not robotic. I had one exception however. Girl came back to my room. Only wanted to give massage. After some non-heated arguing I figured best to pay her half. In general I've been paying $1, 500 for 8's and $2, 000 for 9's. Bored? I have not even scratched the surface of the potential here. Note; The people are extremely friendly to me and to each other. As one American here said."They are like brothers and sisters." He also added "It rubs off on us too." Nice.

Gary de Colorado[/QUOTE]That's how it seems at first. I remember a few years ago I wondered why the hell every single guy in Florida wasn't jetting down to the DR whenever he had a few days off work, yet now I can walk around the place are am rarely even tempted.

I don't know how old you are, but I suspect that many of these chicas, if they know a bit about your personal circumstances, are auditioning for the role of novia.

[BLUE]IT is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife.

However little known the feelings or views of such a man may be on his first entering a neighbourhood, this truth is so well fixed in the minds of the surrounding families, that he is considered as the rightful property of some one or other of their daughters. [/BLUE]

JANE AUSTEN; PRIDE AND PREJUDICE

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1448597]And yes, practically all the Haitian girls carry blades / knives for self defense.

And they will tell you they do not carry those to defend themselves from mongers but from "crazy girls."[/QUOTE]This may be true of the small group of hardcore haitianas who work the Strip in Sosua, but no more true than it is of their Dominican equivalents.

I have been with hundreds of non-pro or semi-pro haitianas from places other than central Sosua and I can only remember one who had a weapon. Of course I did not minutely search through all their belongings so I might have missed two or three more, but they would certainly be the rare exception.

As I keep posting when we hear these tales of scams and confrontations, why the hell do guys insist of mixing with those locals who are so obviously trash, when there are so many hot girls available all over the country? Some guys seem to have a death wish. Nowhere and no-one is totally safe, and we are right to keep our guard up, but you can immediately reduce your chances of problems by 90% by avoiding certain hotspots.

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1448597]When did that happen? Any more details, including names?

And yes, practically all the Haitian girls carry blades / knives for self defense.

And they will tell you they do not carry those to defend themselves from mongers but from "crazy girls."[/QUOTE]It happened on June 27th / 28th (late night / early morn).

Most guys do not have time or skill to pick up local girls. Sosua provides access for scores of pretty girls willing to suck your dick and fuck you for 40 dollars. I do not see the girls as trash. They live in a country where there is very little opportunity. Sosua is perfect for the average monger. Most of us do not have time to chase chicas. In Sosua girls come from all over the island to fuck us. I do not feel like playing games or pretending a girl is my love interest. Sosua is a good time 24/7. No place is perfect but Sosua works for me.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1448831]This may be true of the small group of hardcore haitianas who work the Strip in Sosua, but no more true than it is of their Dominican equivalents.

I have been with hundreds of non-pro or semi-pro haitianas from places other than central Sosua and I can only remember one who had a weapon. Of course I did not minutely search through all their belongings so I might have missed two or three more, but they would certainly be the rare exception.

As I keep posting when we hear these tales of scams and confrontations, why the hell do guys insist of mixing with those locals who are so obviously trash, when there are so many hot girls available all over the country? Some guys seem to have a death wish. Nowhere and no-one is totally safe, and we are right to keep our guard up, but you can immediately reduce your chances of problems by 90% by avoiding certain hotspots.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1448920]Most guys do not have time or skill to pick up local girls. Sosua provides access for scores of pretty girls willing to suck your dick and fuck you for 40 dollars. I do not see the girls as trash. They live in a country where there is very little opportunity. Sosua is perfect for the average monger. Most of us do not have time to chase chicas. In Sosua girls come from all over the island to fuck us. I do not feel like playing games or pretending a girl is my love interest. Sosua is a good time 24/7. No place is perfect but Sosua works for me.[/QUOTE]I totally agree OldKool. You and I feel the same about Sosua. I too feel that it is the best in the Western Hemisphere and yes I've been to Rio (Albeit a bit too late 2011). I have no desire to go anywhere else other than Thailand and PI.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1444405]I've got 200 emails waiting on me and one of them was from a dude who was in Sosua for the 4th of July weekend. The rumor was a few celebrities were in town[/QUOTE][url]Http://statigr.am/tag/dominicanbeachfest/[/url]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1448831]This may be true of the small group of hardcore haitianas who work the Strip in Sosua, but no more true than it is of their Dominican equivalents.

I have been with hundreds of non-pro or semi-pro haitianas from places other than central Sosua and I can only remember one who had a weapon. Of course I did not minutely search through all their belongings so I might have missed two or three more, but they would certainly be the rare exception.

As I keep posting when we hear these tales of scams and confrontations, why the hell do guys insist of mixing with those locals who are so obviously trash, when there are so many hot girls available all over the country? Some guys seem to have a death wish. Nowhere and no-one is totally safe, and we are right to keep our guard up, but you can immediately reduce your chances of problems by 90% by avoiding certain hotspots.[/QUOTE]Because most of us don't live down there. For a visit of a week of less, Sosua is just too convenient. But yes, if I had much more time to spend in the DR, I'd hang out elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Gary2; 1448748]Well I've moved here to live at <Infinit-blu. Com 3wks ago after never being in the DR before but reading for 5 years all blogs ever written on this thread. Just surreal: So many 8's. 9's and 10's all day, all night. Pretty girls? Surprising to me Sosua blows Medillin and San Salvador away completely for quality. From all my reading I was still completely surprised by the quality of both faces and bodys. Just mind boggling. You'd only see some of these girls on like the Spanish "Romantica' channels. You could fill a Playboy magazine ten times over in just one day / night. And because these woman are exotic looking (different than we are used to) a DR 8 in the USA would be called a 9. The girls I've been with have all been very friendly, not robotic. I had one exception however. Girl came back to my room. Only wanted to give massage. After some non-heated arguing I figured best to pay her half. In general I've been paying $1, 500 for 8's and $2, 000 for 9's. Bored? I have not even scratched the surface of the potential here. Note; The people are extremely friendly to me and to each other. As one American here said."They are like brothers and sisters." He also added "It rubs off on us too." Nice.

Gary de Colorado[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I very much enjoy Sosua, but as far as facial beauty, the vast majority of the guys on here would prefer the girls in Medellin. Of course, MDE doesn't have a beach and way too many of the chicas have fake asses and tits. Hard to compare the two places. Apples vs oranges.

[QUOTE=Combo;1448986]Because most of us don't live down there. For a visit of a week of less, Sosua is just too convenient. But yes, if I had much more time to spend in the DR, I'd hang out elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Most guys don't want to take the time to learn Spanish and branch out, they are content. I look at my early years and I was an adventurous fool. I thought the whole island was like Sosua, and in many ways it was. Picking up pussy on the side of the road for a quickie while driving to SD. Having girls put on their best clothes for the gringo visiting their friend in the bario. In the campo with no electricity fucking in the dark. In Santiago at a bbq where all the girls are light skinned and drop dead gorgeous. And all this with basic Spanish. Sex in the DR is very easy outside of Sosua.

I see guys with 20 trips to the DR and have never left Pedro Clisante and I respect that. Being content without exploring is just not my style.

I don't think so.

I was in Sosua at that time. And believe me, if two Haitianas were killed (one stabbed, the other with a broken neck) that would not have escaped my attention.

Now, there was a pretty ugly fight between two Haitianas that week that started at DLatin, and then, following a break-up, resumed again at Bar Central.

I did not witness it, but one of the fighting parties is a female acquaintance of mine.

I can assure you that rumors of bleeding to death and broken necks are vastly exaggerated. Jeezzz.

[QUOTE=Beats;1448896]It happened on June 27th / 28th (late night / early morn).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1449134]I don't think so.

I was in Sosua at that time. And believe me, if two Haitianas were killed (one stabbed, the other with a broken neck) that would not have escaped my attention.

Now, there was a pretty ugly fight between two Haitianas that week that started at DLatin, and then, following a break-up, resumed again at Bar Central.

I did not witness it, but one of the fighting parties is a female acquaintance of mine.

I can assure you that rumors of bleeding to death and broken necks are vastly exaggerated. Jeezzz.[/QUOTE]The broken neck story is real. Here is the link.

[url]http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/index.nsion-en-sosua[/url]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1448920]I do not see the girls as trash.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I was unclear. I did not mean to imply that all the girls you find in Sosua are trash. My friends find many nice girls there, as did I when I used to visit there regularly.

What I meant was that it is usually very obvious which ones are trash (by their appearance and behaviour) and with whom you stand a much greater risk of poor performance or worse problems.

And you can improve your odds by mongering outside Sosua. I understand that guys don't want to waste their limited vacation time, but not even the horniest can fuck non-stop for 24 hours per day. An hour or two spent travelling to Montellano, Puerto Plata and other nearby spots for nominal amounts is a cheap way to have a more interesting vacation.

While hanging at Rockys the other day, I witnessed a situation. The guys from Daniel Car rental brought one of their customers to Rocky to get the customer to pay them for a scooter he had rented from them. Apparentely he had made friends with some local dominican. Was letting this local hang with him. At some point he allowed the local to get close enough to trust to "borrow" the bike to allegedly go get some marijuana.

Once the local took off he hasnt been found again. Daniels car rental want $2800 to settle the matter. Hold on it gets worse. The dude was out one night and managed to have his wallet stolen. His credit card was in there. Apparently since that incident Rick and others have been lending him money. So the dude was flat broke, and in a mess over this scooter.

It gets worse. He gave the rental guys his passport when he got the rental. I have never gave up my passport over a car rental. I think that mistake is what makes me think the dude is getting scammed. Once he is squeezed for whatever cent they can get, I'll bet money the local and the bike will reappear as if nothing happened.

This is the 1st time seeing Rick in action trying to help the guy. The rental guys wanted to come into Rockys to make sure the guy didn't get out of sight. But Rick denied them entry into the restaurant where the guy was sitting. After a while the policia national came, and then Rick allowed the rentals in so all parties could discuss the matter.

The result was the police would get a document drafted so they can arrest the guy. Figuring the police were handling the matter, the rental guys left, and the guy got out of sight to avoid an arrest. Even the next day Rick was still advising this guy on some options he could take. One of them was seeking alternative travel documents or even turning himself in so the situation doesn't escalate if he is detained at whatever airport he chooses to leave from. I would think someone trying to exit the country without their original passport would draw a red flag and possibly an investigation?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1449252]The result was the police would get a document drafted so they can arrest the guy. Figuring the police were handling the matter, the rental guys left, and the guy got out of sight to avoid an arrest. Even the next day Rick was still advising this guy on some options he could take. One of them was seeking alternative travel documents or even turning himself in so the situation doesn't escalate if he is detained at whatever airport he chooses to leave from. I would think someone trying to exit the country without their original passport would draw a red flag and possibly an investigation?[/QUOTE]can't he go to the American Embassy in SD and get a new passport? I would never turn myself in, that will just get lawyers and judges involved, which means he will end up paying $28,000 instead of $2, 800!

I wonder why he didn't just go to the police station and say the bike was stolen. Make up a report, then go to the rental company with the report. I am sure there was insurance on the bike, he could have gotten his passport back and walked away.

It's obvious that guy has never been on ISG. If there are two things I have learned from this Sosua forum it is do not befriend local men and say no to drugs.

How are the rooms in the old wing, compared to the new wing. Only old wing available next wk with double beds.

For me at 6'2, the Filipinos are much to small for me and the slant eyes, well, not my instinctive / native look. Facial looks comparing Medellin to Sosua. Keeping in mind all these Latin girls have these great 3-the bodies. Great skin and hair. Also plenty of common Black and Spanish blood. Problem. The number of girls in Medillin was very low in comparison. Like not even one tenth. Got to search thru these small brothels. True a few strip bars have some, and a few in the malls, but very few on the street and not really approachable as they commute with work anyway. In Medellin a really pretty face? A head turning face. True I'm very picky, but very surprising to me, I saw none. Wanted to. Head turning bodies and good overall package yes, but really pretty, no. Here in Sosua, with the tremendous numbers, I see cover girl faces everyday. Hard core? Not sure I know what that is anyway. Can't expect a girl to treat you like a novio on the first encounter can we? Some are really friendly and personable though. I will say this about Medellin, and I did have a good time there. The girls are very nice. Sosua is jut so mind boggling and I just beginning to scratch the surface potential. Like working on true, real young 10's. I think they take some time. Need to live here. They don't just jump here. Not for me anyway. Not if they are only 18-20yrs. And these incredible bar maids! Just mind boggling.

We are not the average mongers. I like this so much I practice my skills spanish, dancing and just loving the culture. I have a few girls I stay in touch with. This is one of the things that spices my life up. Sosua provides a very good time for me but 3 days is all I can usually handle at one time. I mix sport fucking with regular girls I know. They are very different activities but are both great fun.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1449241]Sorry if I was unclear. I did not mean to imply that all the girls you find in Sosua are trash. My friends find many nice girls there, as did I when I used to visit there regularly.

What I meant was that it is usually very obvious which ones are trash (by their appearance and behaviour) and with whom you stand a much greater risk of poor performance or worse problems.

And you can improve your odds by mongering outside Sosua. I understand that guys don't want to waste their limited vacation time, but not even the horniest can fuck non-stop for 24 hours per day. An hour or two spent travelling to Montellano, Puerto Plata and other nearby spots for nominal amounts is a cheap way to have a more interesting vacation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1449134]I don't think so.

I was in Sosua at that time. And believe me, if two Haitianas were killed (one stabbed, the other with a broken neck) that would not have escaped my attention.

Now, there was a pretty ugly fight between two Haitianas that week that started at DLatin, and then, following a break-up, resumed again at Bar Central.

I did not witness it, but one of the fighting parties is a female acquaintance of mine.

I can assure you that rumors of bleeding to death and broken necks are vastly exaggerated. Jeezzz.[/QUOTE]You don't have to believe me. Talk to the local bar owners / management. Thats who confirmed it for me, after my friend, who was with me that night and witnessed the whole event, told me that the girl who was stabbed repeatedly, died.

Two trucks of armed / helmeted National police surrounded D'Latins and swarmed the place, last night around 11:30. The bar was just beginning to fill up. Maybe 200 people or so. All men were directed to one side of the bar, all women to the other. The Police checked all the ladies IDs and detained those who did not have them. They were looking for minors. I do not know if they found any, but some people were escorted out and detained. Men were randomly searched. Those who copped attitudes, were hassled and had to show their IDs. The place was on lock-down for about 30 minutes. It was not a pleasant experience.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1449252]While hanging at Rockys the other day, I witnessed a situation. The guys from Daniel Car rental brought one of their customers to Rocky to get the customer to pay them for a scooter he had rented from them. Apparentely he had made friends with some local dominican. Was letting this local hang with him. At some point he allowed the local to get close enough to trust to "borrow" the bike to allegedly go get some marijuana.

Once the local took off he hasnt been found again. Daniels car rental want $2800 to settle the matter. Hold on it gets worse. The dude was out one night and managed to have his wallet stolen. His credit card was in there. Apparently since that incident Rick and others have been lending him money. So the dude was flat broke, and in a mess over this scooter.

It gets worse. He gave the rental guys his passport when he got the rental. I have never gave up my passport over a car rental. I think that mistake is what makes me think the dude is getting scammed. Once he is squeezed for whatever cent they can get, I'll bet money the local and the bike will reappear as if nothing happened.

This is the 1st time seeing Rick in action trying to help the guy. The rental guys wanted to come into Rockys to make sure the guy didn't get out of sight. But Rick denied them entry into the restaurant where the guy was sitting. After a while the policia national came, and then Rick allowed the rentals in so all parties could discuss the matter.

The result was the police would get a document drafted so they can arrest the guy. Figuring the police were handling the matter, the rental guys left, and the guy got out of sight to avoid an arrest. Even the next day Rick was still advising this guy on some options he could take. One of them was seeking alternative travel documents or even turning himself in so the situation doesn't escalate if he is detained at whatever airport he chooses to leave from. I would think someone trying to exit the country without their original passport would draw a red flag and possibly an investigation?[/QUOTE]I think I met this guy and if it is the same guy, I saw him allowing some Dominican male take him to the beach to figure out how to rent chairs. Unfortuately he did no research and was told about the place by someone. Although nice enough was fairly naive and within 5 minutes of talking with him I knew he had no idea what he was doing. I am surprised about the marijuana if that part is true because of what he told me he did for a living. He told me about loosing his wallet and that Rick was helping him, which is more impressive because he isnt a regular. I explained that he should come down with at least 3 cards and keep them in at least 2 different spots or in the safe. He had no business renting much less driving there. How many mistakes did he make? Thank god he has Rick because he is going to need him. I have seen Ricks customer service several times and its a good reason many mongers stay with him because even us experienced mongers arent immune to a problem.

On another note, I hang with many expats and heard nothing about a stabbing. There may have been a broken neck somewhere I don't know.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1449252]At some point he allowed the local to get close enough to trust to "borrow" the bike to allegedly go get some marijuana. Once the local took off he hasnt been found again.
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[QUOTE=Doker44;1449316]I think I met this guy and if it is the same guy, I saw him allowing some Dominican male take him to the beach to figure out how to rent chairs. Unfortuately he did no research and was told about the place by someone. Although nice enough was fairly naive and within 5 minutes of talking with him I knew he had no idea what he was doing. He told me about loosing his wallet and that Rick was helping him, which is more impressive because he isnt a regular. I explained that he should come down with at least 3 cards and keep them in at least 2 different spots or in the safe. He had no business renting much less driving there.[/QUOTE]Too bad his first experience in Sosua will ultimately be his last. If he manages to get out of there without losing his shirt, he'll never step foot on the island again.

[i]"A fool and his money are soon parted..."[/i]- Thomas Tusser

It has been reported that Passions was shut down last night by tourism board. Guy on the ground saw the sign on the door. If this is true ,rubber is meeting the road. I don't use Passions but many guys swear by the place. It seems to be very well run and an institution in Sosua. If there I more info chime in. Cube Dave is slitting his wrist as we speak.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1449279]How are the rooms in the old wing, compared to the new wing. Only old wing available next wk with double beds.[/QUOTE]Old wing is just that, OLD! It's serviceable but things like showers leaking water all over the floor can get annoying.

Best to plan out in advance and grab a room in the new wing

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1449252]Once the local took off he hasnt been found again. Daniels car rental want $2800 to settle the matter. Hold on it gets worse. The dude was out one night and managed to have his wallet stolen. His credit card was in there. Apparently since that incident Rick and others have been lending him money. So the dude was flat broke, and in a mess over this scooter.[/QUOTE]I told that kid to watch his back and not trust the locals that I saw sizing him up. After he lost his wallet and another dude from North Carolina lent him $100 USD, I still saw the dude out drinking and not watching his back. I'm not surprised that something like this could happen to him.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1449323]It has been reported that Passions was shut down last night by tourism board. Guy on the ground saw the sign on the door. If this is true ,rubber is meeting the road. I don't use Passions but many guys swear by the place. It seems to be very well run and an institution in Sosua. If there I more info chime in. Cube Dave is slitting his wrist as we speak.[/QUOTE]I don't know if this is true or not, but I will check in the morning. In the meantime note that I posted the following less than three weeks ago.

[QUOTE]Apparently the attorney general is interested in pursuing organized pimping and recruitment of chicas which might conceivably make places like Passions and CMP a target. Now I am not saying I have any special information, and maybe I am quite mistaken, but it would seem logical.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1449333]I don't know if this is true or not, but I will check in the morning. In the meantime note that I posted the following less than three weeks ago.[/QUOTE]This was written July 5th, in Domincan Today, I did not post as I did not want people to think I was hating on Sousa because I would never do that, but this article could mean something of what they want to do might not workk:

Sosua, Dominican Republic- People in Sosua complain of rampant prostitution that scares families to stay away from the Atlantic Coast's top tourism destination.

Representatives from community organizations, neighborhood councils and town authorities quoted by elcaribe. Com. Do estimate that at least a 1, 000 women exercise prostitution, though only one percent are natives of Puerto Plata province, according to their statements.

Sosua mayor Ileana Newman acknowledges prostitution's alarming jump in recent years, noting that those women have taken over its main street, Pedro Clisante, to offer their craft round the clock.

"Tour operators have told us they can't bring tourists, because we're overwhelmed in prostitution and that's causing a serious problem for those of us who're committed to more family tourism," Newman said, adding that, many women avoid Clisante St. To not be mistaken for a hooker.

[QUOTE=Revere; 1449344]This was written July 5th, in Domincan Today, I did not post as I did not want people to think I was hating on Sousa because I would never do that, but this article could mean something of what they want to do might not workk:

Sosua, Dominican Republic- People in Sosua complain of rampant prostitution that scares families to stay away from the Atlantic Coast's top tourism destination.

Representatives from community organizations, neighborhood councils and town authorities quoted by elcaribe. Com. Do estimate that at least a 1, 000 women exercise prostitution, though only one percent are natives of Puerto Plata province, according to their statements.

Sosua mayor Ileana Newman acknowledges prostitution's alarming jump in recent years, noting that those women have taken over its main street, Pedro Clisante, to offer their craft round the clock.

"Tour operators have told us they can't bring tourists, because we're overwhelmed in prostitution and that's causing a serious problem for those of us who're committed to more family tourism," Newman said, adding that, many women avoid Clisante St. To not be mistaken for a hooker.[/QUOTE]Yes, my impression is that the powers-that-be in Sosua don't object to single male tourists discretely hooking up with temporary girlfriends they meet in bars and discos, but they don't want regular tourists to be hassled by girls for sex or massages whenever they walk the main street of Sosua. They also definitely don't want commercialized sex establishments, pornography, or sex shows of the type that you would find in Amsterdam, for example. To my mind Sosua is also relatively restrained compared to what it would be like in any US resort where prostitution was legal. I also get the impression that they are not too keen on guys who come down in large groups, sometimes promenading in what Dominicans would regard as inappropriate clothing for street wear.

[QUOTE=Revere;1449344]"Tour operators have told us they can't bring tourists, because we're overwhelmed in prostitution and that's causing a serious problem for those of us who're committed to more family tourism,"[/QUOTE]Bring tourists where, LOL? There is nothing to see in Sosua!

Admittedly the beach is nice, but it's an island for crying out loud. You can't help but trip over a beach at every turn.

Help me out expats; am I missing something here? What is in Sosua that these "Tour Operators" are trying to bring tourist to Sosua for?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1449350]I also get the impression that they are not too keen on guys who come down in large groups, sometimes promenading in what Dominicans would regard as inappropriate clothing for street wear.[/QUOTE]What, are there large groups of men walking around in man-thongs are something? You should remind them that this isn't Europe!

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1449236]The broken neck story is real. Here is the link.

[url]http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/index.nsion-en-sosua[/url][/QUOTE]So much 4 that story

[QUOTE=Frannie;1449350]Yes, my impression is that the powers-that-be in Sosua don't object to single male tourists discretely hooking up with temporary girlfriends they meet in bars and discos, but they don't want regular tourists to be hassled by girls for sex or massages whenever they walk the main street of Sosua. They also definitely don't want commercialized sex establishments, pornography, or sex shows of the type that you would find in Amsterdam, for example. To my mind Sosua is also relatively restrained compared to what it would be like in any US resort where prostitution was legal. I also get the impression that they are not too keen on guys who come down in large groups, sometimes promenading in what Dominicans would regard as inappropriate clothing for street wear.[/QUOTE]I agree with all your points. Look what happened to Help in Brazil. Kenny giving boat cruises in Rio was not taking kindly as many of you know. Atheletes, entertainers coming down no problem. Groups of people in white T's let's not kid ourselves. That does not go over well. Sorry, but the truth and I am Black. Although, people behave most of the time a lot of places do not want that look. Add prostitutes to that mix, and you will have people wanting to end that sooner or later. Call it what you want, but people do not want to see that.

i need to be careful on that last statement, i have never been to Sousa, so i do not know if that is how it is you all have to tell me, but if it is then that is a problem. Because some people just hate that look call it racists, envy, jealousy, intimidated - not sure but you have to understand that this country does have some color issues. Never affected me, but you talk to some girls who are brown that say they are white. I am like your kidding me, but that is a whole another discussion.

Last thing, there appears to be a crack down going on around the country. So, i am not going to say it is not happening all over in Santo Domingo they are targeting some unlucky gringos. So, not just a black thing.

Kiddo,

You could have done better than that.

A working link is here, [url]http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2661-encuentran-mujer-asesinada-en-la-habitacion-de-una-pension-en-sosua[/url]

All that is left: (I) you need to able to read Spanish; (ii) find the blood stains at D'Latin; (iii) show that the two are connected. Per the OPs post.

Taking a wild guess, I think you will fail (I). (iii).

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1449355]So much 4 that story[/QUOTE]

Who knows what happen to this lovely young lady. Another reason not to do dumb shit when you are in the DR.

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1449370]Kiddo,

You could have done better than that.

A working link is here,

[url]http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2661-encuentran-mujer-asesinada-en-la-habitacion-de-una-pension-en-sosua[/url]

All that is left: (I) you need to able to read Spanish; (ii) find the blood stains at D'Latin; (iii) show that the two are connected. Per the OPs post.

Taking a wild guess, I think you will fail (I). (iii).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1449252]While hanging at Rockys the other day, I witnessed a situation. The guys from Daniel Car rental brought one of their customers to Rocky to get the customer to pay them for a scooter he had rented from them. Apparentely he had made friends with some local dominican. Was letting this local hang with him. At some point he allowed the local to get close enough to trust to "borrow" the bike to allegedly go get some marijuana.

Once the local took off he hasnt been found again. Daniels car rental want $2800 to settle the matter. Hold on it gets worse. The dude was out one night and managed to have his wallet stolen. His credit card was in there. Apparently since that incident Rick and others have been lending him money. So the dude was flat broke, and in a mess over this scooter.

It gets worse. He gave the rental guys his passport when he got the rental. I have never gave up my passport over a car rental. I think that mistake is what makes me think the dude is getting scammed. Once he is squeezed for whatever cent they can get, I'll bet money the local and the bike will reappear as if nothing happened.

This is the 1st time seeing Rick in action trying to help the guy. The rental guys wanted to come into Rockys to make sure the guy didn't get out of sight. But Rick denied them entry into the restaurant where the guy was sitting. After a while the policia national came, and then Rick allowed the rentals in so all parties could discuss the matter.

The result was the police would get a document drafted so they can arrest the guy. Figuring the police were handling the matter, the rental guys left, and the guy got out of sight to avoid an arrest. Even the next day Rick was still advising this guy on some options he could take. One of them was seeking alternative travel documents or even turning himself in so the situation doesn't escalate if he is detained at whatever airport he chooses to leave from. I would think someone trying to exit the country without their original passport would draw a red flag and possibly an investigation?[/QUOTE]Am I missing something? Why is this guy not responsible for the loss of the pasola. It seems he let a local 'buscon' borrow the pasola and he did not return it. If this happened in the US or Canada I am sure the rental company would make you responsible for the loss. As to this being a scam, not likely, just a series of mistakes made by a naive rookie.

[QUOTE=Beats;1449283]Two trucks of armed / helmeted National police surrounded D'Latins and swarmed the place, last night around 11:30. The bar was just beginning to fill up. Maybe 200 people or so. All men were directed to one side of the bar, all women to the other. The Police checked all the ladies IDs and detained those who did not have them. They were looking for minors. I do not know if they found any, but some people were escorted out and detained. Men were randomly searched. Those who copped attitudes, were hassled and had to show their IDs. The place was on lock-down for about 30 minutes. It was not a pleasant experience.[/QUOTE]Sucks about the raids, but at the same time D'latin is fucking up Sosua.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1449323]It has been reported that Passions was shut down last night by tourism board. Guy on the ground saw the sign on the door. If this is true ,rubber is meeting the road. I don't use Passions but many guys swear by the place. It seems to be very well run and an institution in Sosua. If there I more info chime in. Cube Dave is slitting his wrist as we speak.[/QUOTE]If they're really trying to crack down then a lot of people will be out of work / without money (restaurants, hotels. Etc)

Doesn't make sense since mongering bring a lot of $$$ in tourism.

My bet is Passions won't be gone for long

[QUOTE=Beats;1449283]Two trucks of armed / helmeted National police surrounded D'Latins and swarmed the place, last night around 11:30. The bar was just beginning to fill up. Maybe 200 people or so. All men were directed to one side of the bar, all women to the other. The Police checked all the ladies IDs and detained those who did not have them. They were looking for minors. I do not know if they found any, but some people were escorted out and detained. Men were randomly searched. Those who copped attitudes, were hassled and had to show their IDs. The place was on lock-down for about 30 minutes. It was not a pleasant experience.[/QUOTE]I was in D'Latins in May when the police were searching for someone. These were a different kind of police. They weren't wearing any kind of uniform, all were in street clothes with a badge hanging around their necks and pistols on their hips. (only about 5 cops in the group). They had management turn off the music and everyone just stared at them as they talked to Willy for about 20 minutes. They walked around the club for about for a couple of minutes and then left. Really strange!

[QUOTE=Revere; 1449361]I agree with all your points. Look what happened to Help in Brazil. Kenny giving boat cruises in Rio was not taking kindly as many of you know. Atheletes, entertainers coming down no problem. Groups of people in white T's let's not kid ourselves. That does not go over well. Sorry, but the truth and I am Black. Although, people behave most of the time a lot of places do not want that look. Add prostitutes to that mix, and you will have people wanting to end that sooner or later. Call it what you want, but people do not want to see that.[/QUOTE]I understand your points, but your way off if your trying to link (Young Black Men going to Rio = The closing of Help).

1) Help closed because Rio won the Olympics! Simple as that! It had absolutely nothing to do with the races of men who were going to Rio. Once they were selected to host the games, it could have been 100% Germans with blond hair and blue eyes going into the club every night and they still would have closed Help down.

2) The whole "Young knuckleheads who were acted like they never had any home training time period. Was over by 2004) When the dollars started losing its value, the young guys stopped going to Brasil because it was too expensive. Help didn't close until when? 2010? By then, the young hip hop phase had stopped years earlier.

Trust, if Rio didn't get the Olympics, Help would still be going strong today!

According to that dude, David, Passions was raided and drugs were found and Peter got locked up. Passions is closed for now.

Does this mean the Passions chicas were in D'Latin last night or are they "working" somewhere else?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1449453]Sucks about the raids, but at the same time the'latin is fucking up sosua[/QUOTE]I agree. But maybe thats what they want.

If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.

If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.

Dlatin is the only thing going in Sosua. Without DLatin the place would be useless. I still tear up when I remember Classicos but DLatins provides what we are looking for. I am not sure what your gripe is but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1449453]Sucks about the raids, but at the same time the'latin is fucking up sosua[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1449354]What, are there large groups of men walking around in man-thongs are something? You should remind them that this isn't Europe![/QUOTE]Haven't seen that, but back in the 80's I remember that police in Bermuda would measure the length of tourists' shorts to make sure they were not too many inches above the knee, and it was considered unseemly to go into the capital wearing shorts without knee stockings. Island people can be very conservative in matters of dress and attire.

Island people can be very conservative and sensitive in matters of etiquette. Even now in the DR a man cannot go into an official government office in a pair of shorts, or a woman in an off-the-shoulder decolletage or short skirt, or bare belly. Just the other week I saw an amusing vignette at the family court building in Puerto Plata where a man arrived to sign some papers wearing shorts. To be allowed to enter the judge's office he and his lawyer had to go out of the back door into the yard so he could take off his shorts and put on the lawyer's long pants. While he signed the papers the lawyer waited out back in his shirt and boxer shorts.

Obviously it is rather different in Sosua where the dress code is very informal, but perceptions can still influence policy makers.

Here is some discussion of dress code issues in the DR:

[url]http://www.outreach360.org/guide/dr/dresscode[/url]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1449537]According to that dude, David, Passions was raided and drugs were found and Peter got locked up. Passions is closed for now.[/QUOTE]I wonder if they already knew what they were looking for going in (drugs) or if finding them was just a bonus.

So right now no one really knows if this was part of a larger effort to close places like this, or a drug bust.

Correct me if I am wrong expats, but drug offenses in the DR are harsher than pimping charges, no? But I guess it doesn't really matter if they end up combining the two charges.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1449564]Dlatin is the only thing going in Sosua. Without DLatin the place would be useless. I still tear up when I remember Classicos but DLatins provides what we are looking for. I am not sure what your gripe is but to each his own.[/QUOTE]Dlatin's is messing sosua up. After 11 the whole strip goes to dlatin's and almost the rest of the bars and clubs die out. It's not like more chicas arrive in the town at 11 pm and go straight to dlatin's. Plus it's hot and stuffy as hell and crowded as hell. Not to mention the pickpockets. If dlatin's wasent there, sosua would be a lot better IMO. U can't walk into dlatin's for no more than 5 min and be pouring sweet. If the situation was different and a new wave of girls comes into town at 11 and goes straight to dlatin's that would be a different story, but it's the same chicas that were at rumba or etc that end up at dlatin's. If dlatin's wasent around, there would still be the same amount of chicas in sosua, it woulndt hurt sosua one bit. Not sure why you put "duh" as yur title

There are 10 or 15 small bars near DLatins who wants to visit every dive to find the lady you want for the night. DLatins is not perfect but I can see every hot chica in Sosua in one location. That is very important to me. If I owned a bar in Sosua I would not be happy but for a monger it is needed. I always preferred Classico s however tha is nolonger a option.

I know that I will see the best Sosua has to provide. Few people are into the small bars.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1449614]Dlatin's is messing sosua up. After 11 the whole strip goes to dlatin's and almost the rest of the bars and clubs die out. It's not like more chicas arrive in the town at 11 pm and go straight to dlatin's. Plus it's hot and stuffy as hell and crowded as hell. Not to mention the pickpockets. If dlatin's wasent there, sosua would be a lot better IMO. U can't walk into dlatin's for no more than 5 min and be pouring sweet. If the situation was different and a new wave of girls comes into town at 11 and goes straight to dlatin's that would be a different story, but it's the same chicas that were at rumba or etc that end up at dlatin's. If dlatin's wasent around, there would still be the same amount of chicas in sosua, it woulndt hurt sosua one bit. Not sure why you put "duh" as yur title[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1449353]Bring tourists where, LOL? There is nothing to see in Sosua!

Admittedly the beach is nice, but it's an island for crying out loud. You can't help but trip over a beach at every turn.

Help me out expats; am I missing something here? What is in Sosua that these "Tour Operators" are trying to bring tourists to Sosua for?[/QUOTE]Well, I think they want to fill beds at the bigger hotels near the beach and the all-inclusives like Casa Marina. Sosua has a potentially very nice beach area and a pleasant tree-lined avenue with sidewalk cafes and restaurants, coffee shops, bars, and small shops. There aren't that many great beaches in this part of the DR. For example Puerto Plata has several, but they are not very attractive to tourists. Santo Domingo has no beach and the closest one at Boca Chica is nothing to get excited about either.

Like you I don't get very excited about beaches having lived very close to some of the world's best beaches for many years, but for a lot of people a beach seems to have some important symbolic significance. Probably because early humans had to live close to water.

I think Sosua could also be seen potentially as a center for outings to places of interest (like the bus tours from Boca Chica) and there are a number of places to go, for example Cabarete for windsurfing, the teleferico in Puerto Plata, the waterfalls near Altamira, various campos for bathing in the river, etc.

Passions has a government Ministerio Publico letterhead paper on the door saying "cerrado". The sign is different from the Ministry of Tourism signs at the closed massage parlors.

I asked a motoconcho driver what happened at Passions, and he said someone got stabbed, however I would not rely on the accuracy of that information, except to say that you can't believe all you hear!

By the way, I would like to put in a plug for the Avalon restaurant, an Italian restaurant close to the Town Hall in Calle Ayuntamiento. They don't get a lot of business, but their home-cooked Italian menu is absolutely authentic and very tasty and is prepared with fresh ingredients and served by the proprietor and his wife personally. Prices are reasonable, for example coffee 50 pesos, Cuba libre 100 pesos, main dishes about 300 pesos, hand-made pizzas from 250 pesos. The owners are Graziella and Vincenzo from Tuscany, and I am sure they would appreciate it if you were to show up for dinner with a dozen of your best friends.

[url]http://ristoranteavalon.jimdo.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1449631]There are 10 or 15 small bars near DLatins who wants to visit every dive to find the lady you want for the night. DLatins is not perfect but I can see every hot chica in Sosua in one location. That is very important to me. If I owned a bar in Sosua I would not be happy but for a monger it is needed. I always preferred Classico s however tha is nolonger a option.

I know that I will see the best Sosua has to provide. Few people are into the small bars.[/QUOTE]Yes, but you might want to spend the evening relaxing, dining, taking coffee, chatting with friends, meeting people, then a late-night brandy while flirting with passing ladies of the night without having to put up with the deafening noise from the D'Latinos cattle market whenever you are within 200 yards of the place.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1449631]There are 10 or 15 small bars near DLatins who wants to visit every dive to find the lady you want for the night. DLatins is not perfect but I can see every hot chica in Sosua in one location. That is very important to me. If I owned a bar in Sosua I would not be happy but for a monger it is needed. I always preferred Classico s however tha is nolonger a option.

I know that I will see the best Sosua has to provide. Few people are into the small bars.[/QUOTE]Actually I'm right, I never mentioned the small dive bars. I'm talking about rumba, winner sports bar, el flow, the spot etc. All these places clear out and they all go to dlatin's. I understand you like yur chicas in one place but I would rather have the same girls spread out instead of one hot, sweaty, crowded place. The main strip is only one block, never have trouble finding a girl within that one block. Everytime I'm there I talk to regular mongers I've come to known from my time there, and they all say the same. And Dlatin's ain't even that nice for all those chicas going there.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1449537]According to that dude, David, Passions was raided and drugs were found and Peter got locked up. Passions is closed for now.

Does this mean the Passions chicas were in D'Latin last night or are they "working" somewhere else?[/QUOTE]My best guess is that the owner didn't pay off the police this month and they planted drugs in his club like they are well known in doing all over the country when they want to nail someone for any stupid reason, but usually for not greasing their palms.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1449614]Dlatin's is messing sosua up. After 11 the whole strip goes to dlatin's and almost the rest of the bars and clubs die out. It's not like more chicas arrive in the town at 11 pm and go straight to dlatin's. Plus it's hot and stuffy as hell and crowded as hell. Not to mention the pickpockets. If dlatin's wasent there, sosua would be a lot better IMO. U can't walk into dlatin's for no more than 5 min and be pouring sweet. If the situation was different and a new wave of girls comes into town at 11 and goes straight to dlatin's that would be a different story, but it's the same chicas that were at rumba or etc that end up at dlatin's. If dlatin's wasent around, there would still be the same amount of chicas in sosua, it woulndt hurt sosua one bit. Not sure why you put "duh" as yur title[/QUOTE]Man I miss Classicos, at least it had air conditioner. Which is a big help when Summer time weather hits, when I was in Sosua in December I was sweating bricks in Dlatino. It was hot as hell,

So I can only image when I go to Sosua in August how hot Dlatino will be.

Is there a Reason the Girls don't go to Classico's anymore? Isn't the renovation complete? Or is the Owner still greedy and wants the girls to pay to come to the club?

Contrary reports [url]http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=394195&l=1[/url]

If this is accurate Passions could be on the way down.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1449682]Contrary reports.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=394195&l=1[/url]

If this is accurate Passions could be on the way down.[/QUOTE]PUERTO PLATA. During an operation the state prosecutor's office rescued 32 women who were allegedly forced into prostitution in the establishment known as Passion's Bar, which was closed by the authorities who arrested their owners and managers, Messrs. Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodriguez Rodriguez, alias Lupe.

During that raid, coordinated by the Special Prosecutor Against the Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking in conjunction with Tax Attorney Puerto Plata, and directed by judges Jonathan Baró Gutiérrez and Alba Nunez Pichardo respectively, they found attendance and payroll records of the comings and goings of sexually exploited women, listing the payments clients made to use their services.

According to the authorities of the prosecutor's office during the operation they also found records of fines that women had to pay if they failed or refused to go out with a customer, as well as condoms, bill stubs, uniforms of the alleged victims, computers, and digital cameras, cell phones, and envelopes with the money to pay to each of them.

Colonel José Hernández Gutiérrez, commander of the Department of Immigration Control and Research Against Trafficking Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking National Police also participated in the work of the Attorney General in rescuing the women, who were held at Calle Pedro Clisante number 12, in the municipality of Sosúa, Puerto Plata Province.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1449650]I asked a motoconcho driver what happened at Passions, and he said someone got stabbed[/QUOTE]So far guys have posted closed because:

- a stabbing.

- found drugs on employee.

- big-time dealing in drugs by management.

- owed money to an employee.

- girls trafficked and forced to work there.

- naked women on premises.

- under-age girls.

I am sure I have forgotten something.

In other words no-one really knows shit.

I would have had the placed closed down for completely other reasons.

(1) Cruelty to goldfish, having to endure that deafening racket, when sounds carries underwater. Their brains must have turned to mush.

(2) Not enough haitianas (if any at all).

(3) Charging 100 pesos for a bottle of water that costs 7 pesos in La Sirena

Found cameras and cellphones, eh? Very incriminating!

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1449687]PUERTO PLATA. During an operation the state prosecutor's office rescued 32 women who were allegedly forced into prostitution in the establishment known as Passion's Bar, which was closed by the authorities who arrested their owners and managers, Messrs. Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodriguez Rodriguez, alias Lupe.

During that raid, coordinated by the Special Prosecutor Against the Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking in conjunction with Tax Attorney Puerto Plata, and directed by judges Jonathan Baró Gutiérrez and Alba Nunez Pichardo respectively, they found attendance and payroll records of the comings and goings of sexually exploited women, listing the payments clients made to use their services.

According to the authorities of the prosecutor's office during the operation they also found records of fines that women had to pay if they failed or refused to go out with a customer, as well as condoms, bill stubs, uniforms of the alleged victims, computers, and digital cameras, cell phones, and envelopes with the money to pay to each of them.

Colonel José Hernández Gutiérrez, commander of the Department of Immigration Control and Research Against Trafficking Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking National Police also participated in the work of the Attorney General in rescuing the women, who were held at Calle Pedro Clisante number 12, in the municipality of Sosúa, Puerto Plata Province.[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing this translation.

It all makes sense now that they found envelopes with money to pay the girls who were trafficked and forced to work there.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1449687]During that raid, coordinated by the Special Prosecutor Against the Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking in conjunction with Tax Attorney Puerto Plata, and directed by judges Jonathan Baró Gutiérrez and Alba Nunez Pichardo respectively, they found attendance and payroll records of the comings and goings of sexually exploited women, listing the payments clients made to use their services.[/QUOTE]Certainly reads like a "pimping operation" to me. They should have followed Blackbeards model in where all the chicas are independents and you pay your money directly to the chica, not to the "house" (Passions).

I guess places like Oxygen Resort are up next on the chopping block. I don't see Blackbeards and FOD having these same problems.

Update to that.

"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."

But they are going after the bars much harder than before. I do find the bolded just silly, but it shows that they are ready to lock up people down there on heresay from locals.

Heard from my Dominican folks in NYC that it's happening to Dominicans who live abroad and return to the island to visit family as well. They are bigger robbery targets than tourists, since they're in their families' barrios, not tourist zones. They visit Santiago and some surrounding areas, and Santo Domingo. Things are turning for the worse down there.

Last time I was down in SDQ (July 4th wkd) passing through in Santo Domingo Este off Ave. España and Chearles de Gaulle, military on the street guarding neighborhoods. This was very different from the police checkpoint / shakedown crew. More professional, actually doing their jobs, armed and ready for whatever. Saw this a few more times in different areas of the city before I left for "safer" Boca Chica. LOL!

The current situation is a little crazy. Somewhere some one is pulling strings. The world economy is making travel more exclusive. The DR has to compete with the rest of the Carribean for their dollars. I see many half built operations that get started and never finished. Many of the AIs are having a hard time getting quest. Beach is not a big deal in the Caribbean. How can you explain how a cash cow like Classicos just shuts down over night. Like I said business in the DR often defies logic. My advise enjoy Sosu while it is there. Some day we may tell our grand sons what was possible for 35 dollars ajajajaj.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1449712]Update to that.

"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."

But they are going after the bars much harder than before. I do find the bolded just silly, but it shows that they are ready to lock up people down there on heresay from locals.

Heard from my Dominican folks in NYC that it's happening to Dominicans who live abroad and return to the island to visit family as well. They are bigger robbery targets than tourists, since they're in their families' barrios, not tourist zones. They visit Santiago and some surrounding areas, and Santo Domingo. Things are turning for the worse down there.

Last time I was down in SDQ (July 4th wkd) passing through in Santo Domingo Este off Ave. España and Chearles de Gaulle, military on the street guarding neighborhoods. This was very different from the police checkpoint / shakedown crew. More professional, actually doing their jobs, armed and ready for whatever. Saw this a few more times in different areas of the city before I left for "safer" Boca Chica. LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1449694]It all makes sense now that they found envelopes with money to pay the girls who were trafficked and forced to work there.[/QUOTE]I don't think the problem was that they were forced to work there, but that they were forced to have sex with clients they didn't want to have sex with, or fined if they didn't. While prostitution is legal in the DR, penalizing your employees if they refuse to have sex with customers probably isn't, and pimping or revenue sharing with prostitutes certainly isn't legal.

Maybe Passions has carefully crafted employment contracts that somehow exploit some loopholes in the employment laws, for example the girls have to pay 50% of their earnings for board and lodging, uniforms, etc, but I think they will have a really tough row to hoe if top level government decides it wants to stamp out commercial sex establishments.

I appreciate that the girls at Passions almost certainly knew that they were coming for the purposes of earning money for sex with tourists, but I doubt whether that is the central issue here.

Don't be fooled that there are touristy things to do in Sosua. My wife and I go to Sosua a couple of times per year. We stay in some condos about 1/2 mile from the main strip (about $350 week or $800 month, private access, excellent pool and 24 hour security). During the day, we go to the quiet beach. Not sure of the name. But there is the ugly, crowded, dirty beach and then there is the quiet one (by a restaurant near a resort) that generally has 8-10 people on it. Some of them topless or nude Europeans.

We love the food and hit as many different restaurants that we can find (though we tend to have too many breakfasts at Rocky's). During the afternoon, we usually stop at any one of the bars and get 2 Cuba Libre's for 100 pesos. About a 7 years ago, I got caught mongering (by posting on a site like this and forgetting to close my browser) and finally had to come clean. She is now actually fine with me flirting with the prostitutes and occasionally buying them drinks (I speak Spanish; she's a Spanish teacher and fluent). Since I'm with my wife, I don't have the aggressive one's approaching me and the one's that I invite to sit with us are simply incredible looking. It's a vacation for me, where I can flirt and check out women, but she gets to do all the stuff she enjoys also. It's funny because I'll talk to the mongers and they'll freak out because my wife is there and she might find out about what's going on there. As if you can walk around Sosua and not know what's going on. Many of the women know us by name and she even brought clothes for several of the girls on our last trip. We've gone to a stripclub / brothel together (don't believe it is Passions. It was on the lesser traveled section of the main street) and had an incredible time, the women went crazy for us. Or at least our money. In return, I've had to go shopping with her (almost not worth it).

At night we go dancing at various spots but usually end up upstairs at the crowded nightclub (sorry, I'm horrible with names, but she can name the beach, the streets and name every bar there). We usually have a great table because we tip a little too well and our last trip the waiter held our table every night until we showed up. It's almost like our second home because many of the locals know us. For variety, we will go to Cabarete and visit a few spots there, but eventually we get bored and end up back in Sosua. So don't be fooled, my wife wouldn't go back every six months if she couldn't do touristy things while I'm checking out women. We've had several real estate agents try and sell us a condo there but for $350 week/$800 month, it's simply cheaper to rent for the amount of time that we are there.

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1449370]Kiddo,

You could have done better than that.

A working link is here,

[url]http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2661-encuentran-mujer-asesinada-en-la-habitacion-de-una-pension-en-sosua[/url]

All that is left: (I) you need to able to read Spanish; (ii) find the blood stains at D'Latin; (iii) show that the two are connected. Per the OPs post.

Taking a wild guess, I think you will fail (I). (iii).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction.

I think I missed the touristy things you were about to mention. All I saw is that you eat and go to the beach. But anywho it just goes to show that you never know the things a woman will accept until you ask (or get caught).

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1449453]Sucks about the raids, but at the same time the'latin is fucking up sosua[/QUOTE]I don't see such a big problem-If you had an ID and didn't have drugs on you what's the problem? Making sure minors aren't trying to hook seems like it would help out the monger tourist so they don't get in a jam with an under raged "chica". I have no problem with D'latino's I like the place. Each to his own I guess.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1449523]I was in D'Latins in May when the police were searching for someone. These were a different kind of police. They weren't wearing any kind of uniform, all were in street clothes with a badge hanging around their necks and pistols on their hips. (only about 5 cops in the group). They had management turn off the music and everyone just stared at them as they talked to Willy for about 20 minutes. They walked around the club for about for a couple of minutes and then left. Really strange![/QUOTE]Cops looking for thugs, seems pretty normal to me. Possibly they had gotten a tip on a somebody they were after was spotted there. Why is normal activity that happens all over always blown out of proportion when it happens in Sosua?

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1449690]So far guys have posted closed because:

- a stabbing.

- found drugs on employee.

- big-time dealing in drugs by management.

- owed money to an employee.

- girls trafficked and forced to work there.

- naked women on premises.

- under-age girls.

I am sure I have forgotten something.

In other words no-one really knows shit.

I would have had the placed closed down for completely other reasons.

(1) Cruelty to goldfish, having to endure that deafening racket, when sounds carries underwater. Their brains must have turned to mush.

(2) Not enough haitianas (if any at all).

(3) Charging 100 pesos for a bottle of water that costs 7 pesos in La Sirena[/QUOTE]I am glad to see someone has a sense of humor on this site. Your a FUNNY guy.

[QUOTE=Michael1967; 1449739]Don't be fooled that there are touristy things to do in Sosua. My wife and I go to Sosua a couple of times per year. We stay in some condos about 1/2 mile from the main strip (about $350 week or $800 month, private access, excellent pool and 24 hour security). During the day, we go to the quiet beach. Not sure of the name. But there is the ugly, crowded, dirty beach and then there is the quiet one (by a restaurant near a resort) that generally has 8-10 people on it. Some of them topless or nude Europeans.

We love the food and hit as many different restaurants that we can find (though we tend to have too many breakfasts at Rocky's). During the afternoon, we usually stop at any one of the bars and get 2 Cuba Libre's for 100 pesos. About a 7 years ago, I got caught mongering (by posting on a site like this and forgetting to close my browser) and finally had to come clean. She is now actually fine with me flirting with the prostitutes and occasionally buying them drinks (I speak Spanish; she's a Spanish teacher and fluent). Since I'm with my wife, I don't have the aggressive one's approaching me and the one's that I invite to sit with us are simply incredible looking. It's a vacation for me, where I can flirt and check out women, but she gets to do all the stuff she enjoys also. It's funny because I'll talk to the mongers and they'll freak out because my wife is there and she might find out about what's going on there. As if you can walk around Sosua and not know what's going on. Many of the women know us by name and she even brought clothes for several of the girls on our last trip. We've gone to a stripclub / brothel together (don't believe it is Passions. It was on the lesser traveled section of the main street) and had an incredible time, the women went crazy for us. Or at least our money. In return, I've had to go shopping with her (almost not worth it).

At night we go dancing at various spots but usually end up upstairs at the crowded nightclub (sorry, I'm horrible with names, but she can name the beach, the streets and name every bar there). We usually have a great table because we tip a little too well and our last trip the waiter held our table every night until we showed up. It's almost like our second home because many of the locals know us. For variety, we will go to Cabarete and visit a few spots there, but eventually we get bored and end up back in Sosua. So don't be fooled, my wife wouldn't go back every six months if she couldn't do touristy things while I'm checking out women. We've had several real estate agents try and sell us a condo there but for $350 week/$800 month, it's simply cheaper to rent for the amount of time that we are there.[/QUOTE]Sosua has alot to offer and enjoy. You are absolutely right. Hope you and your wife enjoy many more years here. I know I will.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1449742]I think I missed the touristy things you were about to mention. All I saw is that you eat and go to the beach. But anywho it just goes to show that you never know the things a woman will accept until you ask (or get caught).[/QUOTE]I don't do touristy things. That's the wife's role. I like to sit in the sun and read a book. But if the town wasn't touristy, she wouldn't be there. Trying a variety of foods and restaurants is touristy. As well as shopping (at least for Americans).

Other than that, I was also surprised that she accepted it. I used to go to Honduras, Peru and Ecuador regularly and spend about 3 weeks per trip trying to nail as many women as possible. Now, I'm not allowed to go on vacation alone, but she has no problem with me hanging around the prostitutes. I do have to say, for the two years after she found out about it, our sex life probably tripled over what it was before. Last year, we even brought home a woman 22 years younger than me that regularly slept in our bed. So while I would never recommend getting caught, I've now learned that she gets incredibly turned on by the idea of me being with another woman. Our relationship went from,"I'll hang around until I'm sick of her", to "This is the person that I can be with forever".

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1449537]Does this mean the Passions chicas were in D'Latin last night or are they "working" somewhere else?[/QUOTE]Will be coming to Sosua in a week and I am wondering the same thing. Where are all the displaced girls from Passions and the closed massage parlours working now?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1449742]I think I missed the touristy things you were about to mention.[/QUOTE]The ballers that came down earlier this month did a lot of touristy stuff as part of their AI package.

[QUOTE=Michael1967; 1449754]I don't do touristy things. That's the wife's role. I like to sit in the sun and read a book. But if the town wasn't touristy, she wouldn't be there. Trying a variety of foods and restaurants is touristy. As well as shopping (at least for Americans).

Other than that, I was also surprised that she accepted it. I used to go to Honduras, Peru and Ecuador regularly and spend about 3 weeks per trip trying to nail as many women as possible. Now, I'm not allowed to go on vacation alone, but she has no problem with me hanging around the prostitutes. I do have to say, for the two years after she found out about it, our sex life probably tripled over what it was before. Last year, we even brought home a woman 22 years younger than me that regularly slept in our bed. So while I would never recommend getting caught, I've now learned that she gets incredibly turned on by the idea of me being with another woman. Our relationship went from,"I'll hang around until I'm sick of her", to "This is the person that I can be with forever".[/QUOTE]Kinda of some weird posts if you ask me, Sounds like both of you like Sosua for the woman not for tourist activities.

"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."

- CubaDave

Your hard-earned US tax dollars, at work.

And if you don't believe it, you are living in a bubble.

What has this world been coming to? Can't even have a mistress?

Only in America.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/23/politics/huma-abedin-profile/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1449712]Update to that.

"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."

But they are going after the bars much harder than before. I do find the bolded just silly, but it shows that they are ready to lock up people down there on heresay from locals.

Heard from my Dominican folks in NYC that it's happening to Dominicans who live abroad and return to the island to visit family as well. They are bigger robbery targets than tourists, since they're in their families' barrios, not tourist zones. They visit Santiago and some surrounding areas, and Santo Domingo. Things are turning for the worse down there.

Last time I was down in SDQ (July 4th wkd) passing through in Santo Domingo Este off Ave. España and Chearles de Gaulle, military on the street guarding neighborhoods. This was very different from the police checkpoint / shakedown crew. More professional, actually doing their jobs, armed and ready for whatever. Saw this a few more times in different areas of the city before I left for "safer" Boca Chica. LOL![/QUOTE]Your quote about speakingnto peters family, is from cubadave. He has since backed off his statement, after reading the report about human trafficing.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1449953]Your quote about speakingnto peters family, is from cubadave. He has since backed off his statement, after reading the report about human trafficing.[/QUOTE]There is another report in English on the closure here. Note that the translation from the Dominican Public Prosecutors Office press release misses out of couple of key points about why employees were fined. Also note that an original report that appeared on the insearchofchicas discussion board (which I don't read) that said there was a Ministry of Tourism sign posted on the door at Passions was false information. The sign has a Ministerio Publico (Public Prosecutors Office) letterhead, which is shown in the article below.

[url]http://www.latintravelvip.com/authorities-rescue-women-from-la-passions-in-sosua/[/url]

I don't know who "Peter's family" are and obviously one feels sorry for anyone who is a financial dependent or child of someone who is locked up and facing serious charges, but they may not be aware of all the details, or may be trying to put on a good front to the world.

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1449791]Your hard-earned US tax dollars, at work.

And if you don't believe it, you are living in a bubble.

What has this world been coming to? Can't even have a mistress?

Only in America.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/23/politics/huma-abedin-profile/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url][/QUOTE]The story here does not refer to someone having a mistress, nor is there any reference to anything funded by tax payers that I can see. Nor can I see any connection to Sosua, for that matter. Three strikes.

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-porn-ban-no-sex-105738151.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Shamester;1450020]Certainly a possibility.[/QUOTE]The funny thing is that this type of businesses rule the inner cities where there are no tourists. You pay the owner a salida or a house fee to do the deed right then and there. But it's Sosua we are talking about. A whole different ball game. The government can hate just as your friends can hate on you. If someone is believed to be making tons of money you can rest assure the local government wants their cut.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1450020]Certainly a possibility.[/QUOTE]By the way can anyone explain to me whats the difference between how business is run in Sosua as opposed to how they run Ilusiones and Passions in Santiago. Oops I forgot also Casablanca in Santiago.

It is reported that prosecutors are seeking a one year preventive custody sentence against Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodríguez Rodríguez as the ringleaders in the pandering operation at Passion's Bar and Spa in Sosua.

[url]http://www.gentetuya.com/un-ano-de-prision-preventiva-contra-propietarios-bar-en-puerto-plata-por-proxenetismo[/url]

The alleged owner of a bar where the Public Ministry on Tuesday rescued 32 women who allegedly subjected to sexual exploitation, were sentenced today to 12 months in custody on charges of pimping.

The prosecution asked for the year as a coercive measure against the two defendants to which leaders are credited with being responsible for procuring the establishment, located in Sosua.

The request was accepted by Judge Rafael Reyes Vega Osiris against Mr. Peter Jensen, of German origin, and the Dominican Mariela Rodriguez Rodriguez, alias Lupe.

http://www.hoy.com.do/provincias/2013/7/24/491216/Por-explotar-a-32-mujeres-sexualmente-responsables-de-bar-deberan-pasar

Look out for Halloween uniforms and goldfish going cheap in the flea market!

Here's another article, translation is by Google Translate so a bit rough.

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP). Police officers arrested a German citizen owns a bar where they allegedly prostituted over 30 women in a tourist area in the north, reported Tuesday the Attorney General.

The detainee is Peter Jensen 48, Passion's club owner in the resort town of Sosua. 225 kilometers north of the capital. Agents also arrested the Dominican Maria Rodriguez, who ran the place.

The bar was raided and closed by the prosecution Puerto Plata, where Sosua is located, and the newly created prosecutor against trafficking in persons and smuggling of migrants, said its boss Jonathan Baró.

In the raid 32 women were rescued who allegedly were prostituted.

Although Dominican law does not prohibit a person selling sex as a crime in itself, it is illegal to sexually exploitanother person and there are penalties of 15-20 years in prison for traffickers and their accomplices.

In early May, two Germans were arrested for managing another bar in Sosua, known as Caribbean Men's Paradise, where they allegedly prostituted at least 33 women, including a minor.

According to a study of the organization You Women and United Nations Fund for Population released this year, the Dominican Republic ranks fourth worldwide as a country of origin for women who are prostituted in other nations.

As a way to combat the trafficking and sexual exploitation, the attorney general, Francisco Dominguez, announced this year that authorities arrested customers of prostitutes and treated them as accomplices of traffickers.

Since the beginning of the season only three American tourists and as many Austrians have been arrested while trying to hire the services of prostitutes. The six men were released without charge hours after a warning not to do it again, explained Baró.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1450117]It is reported that prosecutors are seeking a one year preventive custody sentence against Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodríguez Rodríguez as the ringleaders in the pandering operation at Passion's Bar and Spa in Sosua.

[url]http://www.gentetuya.com/un-ano-de-prision-preventiva-contra-propietarios-bar-en-puerto-plata-por-proxenetismo[/url][/QUOTE]What is "preventive custody"? Does it mean they are keeping him locked up so that he can't flee the country before they hit him with the 15-20yr sentencing?

Things seems to be heading the Cuban direction. For those mongers that are established in DR I'm sure the game will continue (for now at least). But for Mr Jensen and the 6 mongers that spent some time behind bars, DR are most likely a no-go place now. Personally I find it interesting that both The Phillipines and DR are having a crackdown and really good relationship with the great benefactor USA.

About the trafficking accusations, I doubt it! But with the frivolous use of the term I can't be 100% sure.

What I've heard the club did take a big cut of the price, ex of 3500, 1500 to the club and 2000 for the girl. Or am I wrong?

They also seemed to have rather strict working hours and fines if they were absent? Did they get a salary from the club? Reminds me a bit of this case [url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/dancer-sues-strip-club-for-unfair-labor-practices/article/2514605[/url]

I don't know if Ill return, I prefer to follow the laws in countries as DR.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1450117]Look out for Halloween uniforms and goldfish going cheap in the flea market![/QUOTE]You aint right Frannie! Hilarious!

We are a couple who have visited Sosua for around 9 years.

We remember when Passions was a lot smaller and more "Dominican"

I'm feeling a little sorry for Peter right now. It seems there are few people around to stick up for him in his time of need.

He has done a lot for mongers who visit Sosua. But. That could well be the problem if they are trying to stamp out the girls in this town.

IF Peter gets locked down. I hope some of the people who have partied there for years will feed him, but also. That really will send out a strong message that this is not a party town anymore.

Sad times for us mongers and even worse for Peter if this carries on for more than a few days.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1450128]What is "preventive custody"? Does it mean they are keeping him locked up so that he can't flee the country before they hit him with the 15-20yr sentencing?[/QUOTE]Good question. Usually, when they catch you doing someting it is standard three months they hold you before a hearing, but they are real serious on this one as they are saying a year before you go to court. Big time drug dealers that are caught get a better deal than that. If I was 305 in santo domingo, I would close up shop right away because they can shut anybody down and put you in jail. Frannie is right you will be able to meet girls in disco and bars but no brothels in the future. I just hope he is not being put in La Victoria prison for a year. I have been there and I am telling you now you do not want to go there.

As i said before a lot of robberies in Santo Domingo right now this is not going to help these girls giving money to there families and boyfriends. Does not make sense to me to close down safe well run places. You all tell me i never been there but it sounded like the place was well run.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1450128]What is "preventive custody"? Does it mean they are keeping him locked up so that he can't flee the country before they hit him with the 15-20yr sentencing?[/QUOTE]Yes, in UK terminology it would mean "remanded in custody without bail for one year" pending trial.

[QUOTE=Japansh; 1449563]If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.

If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.[/QUOTE]Bring a phrase book!

[QUOTE=Japansh; 1449563]If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.

If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.[/QUOTE]Your plan is indeed ruined because Passions won't be re-opening during your forthcoming trip, but your vacation needn't be negatively impacted. In fact there is no reason why you cannot have a better and cheaper time. Nobody I know who knows shit about Sosua and its chicas ever sets foot in Passions.

Don't worry about Spanish, but you will need to link up with helpful ex-pats and experienced regular visitors to avoid pitfalls.

I will give you an example which cropped up only this Monday. A group of us, all mature guys except one senile (me) , were having a party, loads of fun but fairly low-key, nothing boisterous or intimidating. We invited a first-time visitor to join us but he declined. I don't think he disliked us, but he was just very shy. Later that evening on the Strip one of our group spotted him about to seal the deal with a notoriously bad chica, scammer and thief. Because we had already met him and he seemed a real nice but clueless guy we warned him off. Normally none of us would interfere as no-one wants to be known for coming between a dangerously hard-core puta and a payday. Had we not bumped into him earlier by chance he was well on the path to a disappointing session and maybe a worse experience than that.

Good places to meet helpful guys are Rocky's Bar for (very) late breakfast (ask Rick to introduce you) and Ruby's Vulkan Bar (casita #144) and the adjacent Siempre Sol Bar on the beach. If still stuck, post a PM on one of the boards saying you need a mentor.

And don't worry about pre-paying your hotel. There are vacancies all over town in reasonably-priced monger hotels. You will do better walking round the town, checking out what's available and negotiating a price. Things are quiet there this month as regards visiting mongers.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1450160]Bring a phrase book![/QUOTE]Great idea. Make sure it is clearly visible to the putas at all times, and while you are at it, wear a t-shirt reading "I am a total newbie and a lamb to the slaughter". A plastic wristband like they issue at the AIs would complete the effect.

[QUOTE=Revere;1450153]I just hope he is not being put in La Victoria prison for a year. I have been there and I am telling you now you do not want to go there.[/QUOTE]La Victoria? Shit I don't want to go to ANY prison!

DR goverment is going through the motions. They do not want what is considered negative International press. They do not want to be seen as the home of Carribean sex vacationing. In truth prostitution is a normal part of DR life. They are making a few head lines so they can say they cracked down. Passions is a convenient target. Owners is a German what a better person to take a fall. Sorry to say some guys use Passions exclusively. These guys will have to come out of there comfort zone. I love the free lancers. They cost less and are more fun. IMHO

[QUOTE=ThunderStar;1450146]It seems there are few people around to stick up for him in his time of need.[/QUOTE]If you mean the gringo mongering community, there is nothing any of them can do, even if they wanted to. He must have influential contacts in the Dominican establishment. Whether any of them have enough juice to assist him remains to be seen. It is too soon to know how this one will play out.

[QUOTE=ThunderStar;1450146]I'm feeling a little sorry for Peter right now.[/QUOTE]I don't hold any ill-will towards him. He was always affable to me although I very rarely spent a peso in there, and once the horrible "improvements" were effected I actively avoided the place, apart from going there to meet one of my friends who had an inexplicable liking for the place and would insist on meeting up there.

I agree the spectacle of all the creeps now gloating is a bit tasteless, but there are about 18 million people on the island, who lead honest but miserable lives through no fault of their own, for whom I would feel sorry before I got to Peter.

He was a professional pimp, flagrantly breaking the law for a decade. He took his chances and he flaunted the wealth he earned from crime. We always advise guys not to wear their gold chains and (real or fake) Rolexes in Sosua in order not to attract attention and envy. What impression do you think a known pimp building a large flash house immediately behind his illegal brothel would have on rival "players"?

[QUOTE=ThunderStar;1450146]He has done a lot for mongers who visit Sosua.[/QUOTE]That is really bizarre. It is like saying Rupert Murdoch has done a lot for people who buy his newspapers or watch his TV channels. Most of us would say any benefaction has been totally in the other direction. We all considered Peter a smart businessman who ran a tight ship. He normally applied First World standards of customer service which are generally unknown in the DR, although as he got bigger and charged more to easier "marks" there were increasingly complaints that he short-changed the guys who were his original client base. (I was not one of the complainers. I know businessmen can have conveniently short memories).

We assumed that he knew what he was doing and was fireproof. But if he misjudged that and goes to prison for a long stretch then it would prove he was not a good businessman at all. Just a bigger and longer-running version of the monger who decides to set his puta up in a bar on the beach and loses his money and his girlfriend within three months.

But I would not rule out a Houdini escape from the situation. Nothing in this topsy-turvy country surprises me.

[QUOTE=Japansh; 1449563]If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.

If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.[/QUOTE]If you were basing your entire trip around Passions then you are truly shortchanging yourself. Why not just go to Blackbeards in Puerto Plata instead?

Out of all my trips to Sosua I only visited La Passions once and that was back in '09 when the place resembled a thatched hut (and my Spanish was non-existent)! I didn't even session there. Just had a drink and left. Never have visited the place since then.

I have never been attacked or robbed in Haiti. I have had to ward off 3 attempts in the DR. Haiti is much safer than the DR. As long as you do not get involved in politics or flash big bucks around, you will only have a problem of leaving when the time comes because some Haitian babe has your heart in one hand and Mr Happy in the other. Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pockets

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1450218]If you were basing your entire trip around Passions then you are truly shortchanging yourself. Why not just go to Blackbeards in Puerto Plata instead?[/QUOTE]This is where I usually chip in and say "or Field of Dreams" but I agree that in his case Blackbeards would be better, as he is clearly not adventurous enough to enjoy FoD's advantages over Blackbeards, whereas if he safely stays on campus he would benefit from the bigger choice of chicas at Blackbeards. Also, as he was writing about going to Oxygen, he can clearly afford to pay the inflated Costambar taxi prices. Though with only three nights he won't go stir crazy.

I think Oxygen might be more vulnerable to the new crackdown than Blackbeards. Oxygen actually include sexual services in the price of the package but Blackbeards is notionally just a hotel. What you arrange with the chicas and what you pay direct to them is not the hotel's business. That is a fine distinction which would not mean very much if the authorities target Blackbeards, but if they are sympathetic it could give them the loophole to leave the place alone.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1450218]Out of all my trips to Sosua I only visited La Passions once and that was back in '09 when the place resembled a thatched hut.[/QUOTE]It was a fun place to hang then. Dominican music at a level where you could hold a conversation while chicas sat on your lap and played with your dick. None of this fitted Peter's later business model and I guess there was not much profit for him in them doing that. I still saw no reason to pay a premium for chicas even back then, though.

[QUOTE=BadBear2000;1450225]I have never been attacked or robbed in Haiti. I have had to ward off 3 attempts in the DR. Haiti is much safer than the DR. As long as you do not get involved in politics or flash big bucks around, you will only have a problem of leaving when the time comes because some Haitian babe has your heart in one hand and Mr Happy in the other. Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pockets[/QUOTE]I read in the Haiti forum that most working girls have HIV?

I would like to hear more about why you love Haiti so much?

Does Haiti have a minimum wage for men workers?

Does a Haitian worker in the DR make the same as a Dominican in the DR?

What does an illegal Haitian make in the DR doing construction?

[QUOTE=BadBear2000;1450225]Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pockets[/QUOTE]You know you are my hero, BadBear, and I agree that everyone who is able to go to Haiti should give it a try. But the above statement is wildly inaccurate. The overwhelming majority of mongers, especially from the States, don't want black girls and come for the dominicanas, usually as light-skinned as possible. One of the DR Govt's propaganda goons recently posted on DR1 the absurd statement that "most Sosua putas are Haitian", very much in line with his usual racially motivated crap.

In addition, while it is true that most haitianas in Sosua are pro or semi-pro, some of them do a lot more than "go through the motions" nor do they "empty your pockets". Of course there are some real bad ones but they usually congregate on the Strip and can be easily identified. Ex-pats like myself and regular visitors have learned that haitianas on average give a far better service at a lower price than dominicanas. Three-quarters of my local friends' "steadies" or "regulars" are Haitian because they are more trustworthy and appreciative.

Of course they cannot match the unspoilt charm of those you are recommending, but they are a very acceptable substitute for those who for many reasons cannot or will not travel to Haiti.

On a more general note, mongers will not visit Haiti in significant numbers until there is a place where newbies can stay with confidence. I am no Medellin expert but I imagine that was the case until the Mansion arrived. Sosua really became big time when the Europa and the Palace opened. Later on, more adventurous mongers will ripple out from these "base colonies" but things have to start somewhere.

We all hoped your successive hotels would do the trick for Haiti. Unfortunately your efforts coincided with the onset of my health and financial problems and involvement with a charity here, so I was unable to be a pioneer on your behalf. It really needs someone to do what you were briefly doing. Asking a lot, I know. I only wish I were a fitter and more affluent guy. I would much rather live surrounded by Haitians than Dominicans.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1450228]This is where I usually chip in and say "or Field of Dreams" but I agree that in his case Blackbeards would be better, as he is clearly not adventurous enough to enjoy FoD's advantages over Blackbeards, whereas if he safely stays on campus he would benefit from the bigger choice of chicas at Blackbeards. Also, as he was writing about going to Oxygen, he can clearly afford to pay the inflated Costambar taxi prices. Though with only three nights he won't go stir crazy.

I think Oxygen might be more vulnerable to the new crackdown than Blackbeards. Oxygen actually include sexual services in the price of the package but Blackbeards is notionally just a hotel. What you arrange with the chicas and what you pay direct to them is not the hotel's business. That is a fine distinction which would not mean very much if the authorities target Blackbeards, but if they are sympathetic it could give them the loophole to leave the place alone.

It was a fun place to hang then. Dominican music at a level where you could hold a conversation while chicas sat on your lap and played with your dick. None of this fitted Peter's later business model and I guess there was not much profit for him in them doing that. I still saw no reason to pay a premium for chicas even back then, though.[/QUOTE]Are the owners of Oxygen and Blackbeards Dominican? If not, they had better be ready for trouble. I liked Passions's but I always thought Peter was living on the edge. We all know that pimping is illegal in the DR and he was blatantly breaking the law (you paid the bar not the girls). An extranero shouldn't look for trouble in the DR. I always thought it was a matter of time before it found him. Just too easy and obvious of a target.

[QUOTE=Combo;1450248]Are the owners of Oxygen and Blackbeards Dominican? We all know that pimping is illegal in the DR.[/QUOTE]No. That is not always the determining factor, though it usually is. But a few foreigners have wormed well into the system. I understand the newly appointed North Coast minister who is making waves is not Dominican.

Blackbeards could make a case they are not pimping. If they are targeted that would not hold water, but if they have protection in high places it could save them. Oxygen have no such defence as they are blatantly pimping by including sex in the vacation package. So were Field of Dreams at one stage. Not sure if they have now dropped that option?

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1450255]No. That is not always the determining factor, though it usually is. But a few foreigners have wormed well into the system. I understand the newly appointed North Coast minister who is making waves is not Dominican.

Blackbeards could make a case they are not pimping. If they are targeted that would not hold water, but if they have protection in high places it could save them. Oxygen have no such defence as they are blatantly pimping by including sex in the vacation package. So were Field of Dreams at one stage. Not sure if they have now dropped that option?[/QUOTE]Stop it Charles, every time you have an opportunity to stand up and be real you fail. We all know you don't favor Black Beards, stop throwing a well established, respected business under the bus to boost FOD. Black beards is not pimping, we pay the girls. The main charge against Peter is not pimping, but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. Peter has always been my friend and a friend to many mongers. He runs a tight ship, but has always been a stand up guy for us. Peter is just a fall guy but not a bad person. He loves his Dominican daughter more than anything.

I'm not going to go into detail with what I know, but I would call Peter more of a match maker than a pimp. He never forced anyone to do anything. All it would have took was a no, but opportunity was there for all parties involved.

From what I have read haiti has almost no infrastructure. Food and hotels are not cheap or up to western standards. The haitian girls I have met in Sosua have been wonderful performers. They are competing with hot dominican girls and bring their A game. Having both Dominican and Haitian girls is a no brainer. Plus banging a sweet young non pro Haitian girl could risk you losing your heart. I have not been attacked or harmed in Sosua.

[QUOTE=BadBear2000;1450225]I have never been attacked or robbed in Haiti. I have had to ward off 3 attempts in the DR. Haiti is much safer than the DR. As long as you do not get involved in politics or flash big bucks around, you will only have a problem of leaving when the time comes because some Haitian babe has your heart in one hand and Mr Happy in the other. Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pockets[/QUOTE]

I never found anything special about Pasions. For those that have never been, here are some videos of the girls there. [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/lapassionsosua#video=xc4xt5[/url]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1450285]From what I have read haiti has almost no infrastructure. Food and hotels are not cheap or up to western standards. The haitian girls I have met in Sosua have been wonderful performers. They are competing with hot dominican girls and bring their A game. Having both Dominican and Haitian girls is a no brainer. Plus banging a sweet young non pro Haitian girl could risk you losing your heart. I have not been attacked or harmed in Sosua.[/QUOTE]The reason why Haitian girls bring there a game is because there not as in high demand as your typical Dominican girl. So there thankful for every dollar they can get.

Your average Dominican girls has 3x the clients and guys sending them Western Union so there not as thankful and they feel they don't have to try to hard to please you. Compared to a Haitian girl.

[QUOTE=Combo;1450248]Are the owners of Oxygen and Blackbeards Dominican? If not, they had better be ready for trouble. I liked Passions's but I always thought Peter was living on the edge. We all know that pimping is illegal in the DR and he was blatantly breaking the law (you paid the bar not the girls). An extranero shouldn't look for trouble in the DR. I always thought it was a matter of time before it found him. Just too easy and obvious of a target.[/QUOTE]Combo is absolutely right pimping is AGAINST the law.

Once again you see how somebody breaking the law and is arrested immediately 99. 9% of the replies are about the corruption in the DR and how the owner did not pay off the right people. It's never about BREAKING THE LAW. Nobody on this site replying has a clue about all the charges that may or may not be brought against him but most always point to corruption. Amazing isn't it. Some Mongers come down get drunk, look to buy dope and in some cases get arrested for varies reasons and its the 99. 9% of the replies are the police are corrupt. The 99. 9% never have any facts to back up their claims because its always second, third hand. On and on information. Look at the recent posts of a guy who they claimed was still in jail-passport taken-stuck in DR at his girlfriends. Turned out ALL FALSE concerning him being stuck in Jail and NOT having his passport and having to pay 60, 000 peso's. His friend replied on this site that he was arrested but didn't pay 60, 000 pesos and is back in the USA. I will believe his friend because after that post the bullshit all stopped concerning the issue.

Alot of poster make me laugh how in their country the police are honest and not corrupt and none of these things would happen in THEIR COUNTRY. But we all know if you got the money you can almost get away with anything anywhere.

This site is more of a rumor mill about Sosua than anything else.

So go to Sosua act like a gentleman and respect all the people of the Dominican Republic because you are their guest and you will be fine. Tourism is their bread and butter.

As I have often stated I have never had a problem with the authorities in any way and have been visiting the Dominican Republic for many years. Take care and enjoy this beautiful country.

Athens. Ten people were arrested Thursday in a police sweep in several Greek cities with the collaboration of Spanish, USA and Europol authorities targeting international trafficking of mostly Dominican women, which were forced into prostitution, EFE reports.

The network allegedly brought the women from Turkey and Greece to take to Spain, where they were forced into prostitution, a police spokesman told EFE.

The units that target organized crime has made? Arrests in Athens, Corinth (south of the Greek capital) , Volos (central Greece) , Kavala (North) as well as on the island of Crete.

The police source said more arrests are expected throughout the day in the ongoing operation, and that most of those apprehended are from the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=Revere; 1450441]Athens. Ten people were arrested Thursday in a police sweep in several Greek cities with the collaboration of Spanish, USA and Europol authorities targeting international trafficking of mostly Dominican women, which were forced into prostitution, EFE reports.

The network allegedly brought the women from Turkey and Greece to take to Spain, where they were forced into prostitution, a police spokesman told EFE.

The units that target organized crime has made? Arrests in Athens, Corinth (south of the Greek capital) , Volos (central Greece) , Kavala (North) as well as on the island of Crete.

The police source said more arrests are expected throughout the day in the ongoing operation, and that most of those apprehended are from the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I have told this story before, but several years ago I met a pair of women in a club in Puerto Plata who said they had recently returned from a six-month contract in a nightclub in Spain. Presumably they were working as prostitutes, though I didn't actually ask them if they were fucking for money, since that was what they were doing in Puerto Plata at a club run by an American I knew who was married to a Dominicana.

They said they had a great time in Spain and were planning to go back and do another six-month tour in Spain as soon as possible.

This reminds me a bit of the situation with Passion's in Sosua. I don't think the issue is just whether the women are "forced into prostitution", but that other people, nearly always men, and often men with links to organized crime, are making profits from the sale of sex, even if indirectly, for example by selling overpriced drinks to other men who are looking for sexual companionship, or selling soap and towels to prostitutes. [Of course you could say the same of the airlines whose profit margins are enhanced by transporting the women overseas, but that is much more indirect and the airlines are not responsible for determining the reason for travel or how the travel is financed. ]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1450444]Interesting. I have told this story before, but several years ago I met a pair of women in a club in Puerto Plata who said they had recently returned from a six-month contract in a nightclub in Spain. Presumably they were working as prostitutes, though I didn't actually ask them if they were fucking for money, since that was what they were doing in Puerto Plata at a club run by an American I knew who was married to a Dominicana.

They said they had a great time in Spain and were planning to go back and do another six-month tour in Spain as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]A guy I know was going with a dominicana who had worked for a year in Japan. The guy thought (or claimed to think as a face-saver) that she had been working as a secretary. Yeah, right! If someone in an advanced country needs a secretary, of course they will fly one in from the other side of the globe from a world-leader in literacy and numeracy like the DR.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1450444]This reminds me a bit of the situation with Passion's in Sosua. I don't think the issue is just whether the women are "forced into prostitution", but that other people, nearly always men, and often men with links to organized crime, are making profits from the sale of sex, even if indirectly, for example by selling overpriced drinks to other men who are looking for sexual companionship, or selling soap and towels to prostitutes.[/QUOTE]That seems an exceptionally convoluted explanation of the clearest-cut case you could ever find. Pimping is illegal in almost every country of the world and certainly in the DR. The owners and management of Passions were blatantly pimping. There was even a bar menu listing the various arrangements for sexual services. Open and shut case, and I have to laugh at the official announcement saying something like "after careful intelligence work". (Although I suppose reading a menu might stretch a Dominican's intelligence somewhat).

Everyone always knew they were pimping. The only question for eight (?) years is how were they getting away with it. No need to waste soap and towels in your post. They are in short supply in Sosua.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1450406]So my bad: 50K USD, not 60k USD![/QUOTE]You forgot to allow for 16% ITBIS and 10% service.

Dominican women are exported all over Latin America and the Caribbean for work, go to Costa Rica. They go looking to provide better for their kids and because their is no opportunity in their homeland. It would be nice if the DR would crackdown on the recruiter. Peter was just a big name and face to put on this. As long as their is poverty, this will exist. It's big business. Hang on fellas this roller coaster is just reaching the peak, but its still some more twists and turns to go.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1450398]The reason why Haitian girls bring there a game is because there not as in high demand as your typical Dominican girl. So there thankful for every dollar they can get.

Your average Dominican girls has 3x the clients and guys sending them Western Union so there not as thankful and they feel they don't have to try to hard to please you. Compared to a Haitian girl.[/QUOTE]All very true. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1450450]Everyone always knew they were pimping. The only question for eight (?) years is how were they getting away with it. No need to waste soap and towels in your post. They are in short supply in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Yes, I know that, but I was just giving a shorthand example of the way in which clubs can nickel-and-dime the income of the chicas-even when it is legal income--into the hands of the operators by overcharging for uniforms, accommodation, bed and board, laundry, etc. My remarks were intended to also apply brothel-clubs in Europe as a general comment and not specifically to Passion's, though they might apply to Passion's.

Incidentally, their (Passion's) neon sign outside was advertising "Disney for Adults." As far as I know Passions is not a division of Disney Corp. They might also be facing copyright issues from the Disney Corporation for misuse of a trademarked business name.

I am thinking you are over estimating how well these girls are doing in the business. There are way more girls on the strip then guys. Fact. Most girls can not get a taker. The average IMHO may do 3 guys a week if they are lucky. The average girl is struggling. Some do not even have enough food on a regular basis. There are some girls the hottest of the hot who can score more consistently. They are not the norm. Remember all the girls you walk by and do not give a second look. Haitian girls know that the competition is tough and they respond by trying to stand out with price and good service. .

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1450456]All very true. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1450456]All very true. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.[/QUOTE]How much money do Haitians have to pay for a work visa in the DR and how long does it last?

Thanks for the early advice on all

[QUOTE=OldKool;1450472]I am thinking you are over estimating how well these girls are doing in the business. There are way more girls on the strip then guys. Fact. Most girls can not get a taker. The average IMHO may do 3 guys a week if they are lucky. The average girl is struggling. Some do not even have enough food on a regular basis. There are some girls the hottest of the hot who can score more consistently. They are not the norm. Remember all the girls you walk by and do not give a second look. Haitian girls know that the competition is tough and they respond by trying to stand out with price and good service. .[/QUOTE]For once I agree with Old Kool. I think posters on this board often vastly overestimate the income of the average chica on the street.

My friend who once owned a nightclub in Puerto Plata kept an Excel spreadsheet of the income from 1000 peso "salidas" that were paid each time a chica exited the facility with a customer (often 500 pesos of this was immediately returned to a taxi driver). It was very much a "bell curve" with the single most popular chica averaging around one salida daily, a few other hotties getting around one every other day, and more than half the chicas rarely getting any salidas at all. A regular clientele, some of whom asked to be called if a new girl showed up on campus, would often salida each new girl one time, which accounted for a not negligible tranche of the overall business. This initial interest would give the girls high hopes of making some real money, but usually fell off after the first week.

While I have no actual evidence that this pattern translates into the same thing for the bar chicas in Sosua, it seems intuitively likely that it would do so. The majority do not look as if they have high income that allows them to invest in expensive hair stylings and elegant clothing that would attract the more affluent customer. Most wear the same outfit every night. It is also logical that the most desirable chicas will not only get customers more frequently, but are also able to charge higher fees, and spend less time on the hunt. Some of the scams encountered may be attempts by low frequency chicas to maximize income from the few dates that they do manage to score.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]Stop it Charles, every time you have an opportunity to stand up and be real you fail.[/QUOTE]I don't understand what this means. Is it Zen?

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]We all know you don't favor Black Beards, stop throwing a well established, respected business under the bus to boost FOD.[/QUOTE]I don't "favor" any establishment. I have no interest in any of them, I receive no perks or freebies and I post impartially, warts and all. I have consistently praised Blackbeards and often recommended guys to stay there, including only yesterday on another board. It was my introduction to the DR and, unlike other posters who say they get bored there after a few days, I was there for two weeks and rarely left the premises. I was very sad to leave and another two months wouldn't have been too long for me. Blackbeards has many advantages but it is not fair to conceal its minor downsides from newbies.

It is true that I have often put in a word for FoD because it is often omitted from suggestions and recommendations and, for a certain minority of mongers, those who have enough Spanish to hunt for non-pros and (more likely) semi-pros, it is the best location, better than Sosua or Blackbeards. Some of my friends and acquaintances in that category would never stay anywhere else but they don't fit the usual profile for Sosua mongers. Also for those like me, who liked to pop into Sosua often to meet fellow mongers, but didn't want to stay overnight there.

FoD's problem is that it never achieves a "critical mass" of satisfied customers to sustain progress with ongoing word-of-mouth recommendations the way Blackbeards does. That is partly, but not entirely, its own fault. Everytime it gets close to that, the ownership or something else changes and they have to roll the rock up the hill again. But it would be a shame if it closed, as there is nowhere else with its specific advantages, so I do my little bit to keep it open. But if they start fucking up again I will be the first to post, as I did about my last disappointing visit there.

Blackbeards doesn't need my praises on the board as I never stay there and there are plenty of posters who do to sing its praises.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]Black beards is not pimping, we pay the girls.[/QUOTE]I specifically wrote that Blackbeards could make that defence, whereas Passions, Oxygen, and maybe FoD could not. But it is also true that if the authorities are gunning for Blackbeards it would be a paper-thin defence, as the whole establishment relies on girls selling sex for money, so I am sure they could nail them on one charge or another. Let's hope they don't want to.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]The main charge against Peter is not pimping, but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].[/QUOTE]Yes, I think that is bizarre. To the best of my belief no chica was ever coerced in to working there or prevented from leaving. Nor were they transported there against their will or under a false pretext. They must all have known exactly why they were going there and the vast majority must have sold sex for money where they came from. So it doesn't add up to "trafficking" as I understand the word. But the law in the DR is a crock of shit and, if someone on high has got it in for you, the niceties of the law won't stand in their way (which is the point I was making about Blackbeards).

But there is no doubt that Peter and Mariela were blatantly pimping. A large part of their income came from money paid to putas for sexual services. If a third party takes a cut from such money it is pimping by any definition and is illegal in every country (that concerns us) in the world. Why they are not being charged with that instead is strange, as they would have no defence whatever. Maybe "people trafficking", as a more serious charge, to impress the US paymasters (and let's not forget that this whole business of the crackdown is orchestrated from the US)."People trafficking" is a horrific crime but one of which Peter and Mariela are not guilty to the best of my knowledge.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]Peter has always been my friend[/quote]Then you are not impartial like me and your views carry less weight. I hope you will be one of those supportive friends ThunderStar was calling for (from the safety of rural England).

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1450271]Peter is just a fall guy but not a bad person. He loves his Dominican daughter more than anything.[/quote]I have never said he was a bad person. Just someone breaking the law who cannot complain if his luck has run out. I specifically said he was always amicable to me although I was his worst customer, and once the changes were effected could not even bear to take newbies there as I had done previously.

I don't see how he can be a "fall guy". A fall guy is some underling who takes the rap for his boss(es) or more powerful interests. As far as I know, no-one forced or blackmailed Peter to run a brothel for their benefit.

The fact that he loves his daughter is sweet, not at all unusual for parents, and absolutely nothing to do with his guilt or otherwise. I imagine it will carry no weight in law, nor should it. I am not suggesting Peter is a monster, or even a bad person, but history is full of monsters (Nazi war criminals for example) who were really devoted to their children.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]I would call Peter more of a match maker than a pimp.[/quote]That Mary Poppins explanation is just comical. I will leave other posters here to mock that one.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450271]He never forced anyone to do anything.[/quote]May well be true, but that is not a necessary part of pimping, which is simply third parties profiting from prostitution. The idea that prostitutes are always coerced into the trade is popularized by feminists, religious wackos and Hollywood. Often true, but not so much in the DR.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1450497]How much money do Haitians have to pay for a work visa in the DR and how long does it last? Thanks for the early advice on all[/QUOTE]I ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a year but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is. It satisfies the cops when they check her so she is happy. It doesn't seem to say anything about "work" or "study' so maybe it is just a "temporary residence" visa, although it doesn't say that either. This is a very sensitive area for Haitians as they feel very vulnerable. Also they are told all sorts of BS by Haitian and Dominican officials, the laws and interpretations are constantly changing, and most of them have limited literacy for official jargon in minute print, so everyone is confused all the time and reluctant to discuss it with blan.

I hope someone here knows more than me about "work" visas and can answer your question.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1450403]Do any of you guys know of a car rental agency or person that will allow there autos to be taken across the Haiti border?[/QUOTE]You would probably have better luck hiring a car in Israel to drive to Iran.

You might find a private person who would rent you a car but I guess you would have to put the whole (and probably inflated) value of the car up as security.

[quote=mr gogo;1450271]the main charge against peter is not pimping, but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].[/quote]i don't see where you get this from. the only primary document available to us is the prosecution press release. there are numerous secondary reports that all say something like:

el ministerio público de puerto plata, pidió 12 meses de prisióand como medida de coercióand, contra dos imputados a quienes se les atribuye ser los cabecillas responsables de proxenetismo en el establecimiento passio's bar, ubicado en municipio de sosúa, provincia puerto plata.

proxenetismo may be translated into english as "pandering" or possibly "pimping". anyway the definition is: ". consiste en obtener beneficios económicos de la prostitucióand de otra persona", so it is pretty obvious what it means.

however, since the prosecution has up to a year, which can no doubt be extended, to build its case, it may not have to produce a detailed list of all the possible charges at the present time.

in the us it is not at all unusual for a prosecution to produce a variety of related charges and to bargain with the defence. often the more severe charges will be dropped in exchange for a plea of guilty to lesser charges to avoid a trial. this is not so much in the uk, although note that the broadcaster stuart hall pled guilty to a number of relatively minor charges of indecent assault of minors (for example kissing a 13-year-old on the mouth) in exchange for dropping a charge of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] against an adult.

to me the worst charges might stem from the mention that women were fined if they refused to go out with certain clients, as this would imply coercion to commit acts of prostitution. no?

below is the link to the puerto plata department of prosecutions web site for anyone who is interested in following further developments.

http://pgr.gob.do/portal/default.aspx

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1450508]I ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a year but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is.[/QUOTE]Obviously the same kind of visa that mine has, then. Or the same kind of woman.

From talking to my people on the scene, nobody was worried about the pimping charge. Once "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]" was brought in everybody said Peter was in deep shit now. Peter is on three of my girls Facebook pages, and they just removed him yesterday. When I saw his picture back then and asked about it, they all said he was a good guy. Now everybody is running from him saying crazy shit but just last year he was perfect.

He even did right by most people here. I just can't throw him under the bus as quickly ad some people have done, I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1449953]Your quote about speakingnto peters family, is from cubadave. He has since backed off his statement, after reading the report about human trafficing.[/QUOTE]I was wondering by your post, did Peters family actually inform you? It implies by your quote Mr E, that they personally informed you. Or were you quoting Cuba Dave? Also I was wondering, Someone mentioned Dlatins getting raided, and the women and men divided up. IDs were being checked My question is " I never carry my passport, only a fake throw away wallet with a couple thousand pesos in it, If I were asked for it I wonder would the cops allow me to go to my hotel and get it? Or should I carry a photocopy of it? Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1450399]Combo is absolutely right pimping is AGAINST the law.

Once again you see how somebody breaking the law and is arrested immediately 99. 9% of the replies are about the corruption in the DR and how the owner did not pay off the right people. It's never about BREAKING THE LAW. Nobody on this site replying has a clue about all the charges that may or may not be brought against him but most always point to corruption. Amazing isn't it. Some Mongers come down get drunk, look to buy dope and in some cases get arrested for varies reasons and its the 99. 9% of the replies are the police are corrupt. The 99. 9% never have any facts to back up their claims because its always second, third hand. On and on information. Look at the recent posts of a guy who they claimed was still in jail-passport taken-stuck in DR at his girlfriends. Turned out ALL FALSE concerning him being stuck in Jail and NOT having his passport and having to pay 60, 000 peso's. His friend replied on this site that he was arrested but didn't pay 60, 000 pesos and is back in the USA. I will believe his friend because after that post the bullshit all stopped concerning the issue.

Alot of poster make me laugh how in their country the police are honest and not corrupt and none of these things would happen in THEIR COUNTRY. But we all know if you got the money you can almost get away with anything anywhere.

This site is more of a rumor mill about Sosua than anything else.

So go to Sosua act like a gentleman and respect all the people of the Dominican Republic because you are their guest and you will be fine. Tourism is their bread and butter.

As I have often stated I have never had a problem with the authorities in any way and have been visiting the Dominican Republic for many years. Take care and enjoy this beautiful country.[/QUOTE]What did the owner of Passions do different, to were he was arrested? Passions has been there for years. Its no secret to what goes on there.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1450555]I thought you were going to tell us what exactly happen to your boy?[/QUOTE]And he said he was going to post a photo of the chica that got his friend locked up once his friend returned to the US. Nothing so far.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1450547]What did the owner of Passions do different, to were he was arrested? Passions has been there for years. Its no secret to what goes on there.[/QUOTE]The law states that there is no pimping of women. They are independent contractors who "Rent Space / Room". Therefore the customer pays them then they give the "rent" to the establishment. That is how it is done. It is also done that way in Costa Rica. Otherwise if you are the owner you are "pimping" when you receive the money directly from the customer.

You can say whatever-but that's how they get around the Pimping law. He didn't do it. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I took one girl from there I PAID THE BARTENDER not the girl the money.In "FIELD OF DREAMS" I gave the money directly to the girl. That is how it is properly done.

That being said I do not know the owner so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes at Passions or any other place. But I know if I did own one of those places I would probably have a Dominican partner and follow the law to the letter.

Time will tell exactly what happened I will not exploit someone problems with pure speculation and hearsay as is often done here by some members.

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1450563]The law states that there is no pimping of women. They are independent contractors who "Rent Space / Room". Therefore the customer pays them then they give the "rent" to the establishment. That is how it is done. It is also done that way in Costa Rica. Otherwise if you are the owner you are "pimping" when you receive the money directly from the customer.

You can say whatever-but that's how they get around the Pimping law. He didn't do it. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I took one girl from there I PAID THE BARTENDER not the girl the money.

That being said I do not know the owner so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. It's none of my business. In "FIELD OF DREAMS" I gave the money directly to the girl. That is how it is properly done.

Time will tell exactly what happened I will not exploit someone problems with pure speculation and hearsay.[/QUOTE]Again, I said if what happened to passion owner then you could arrest all brothel owners in Santo Domingo. There is no difference in what they do. You never pay girl directly. You pay bartender. So, let's see what happens, but I would never go to a brothel or pick up a SW in the DR. No way.

[QUOTE=Revere;1450565]Again, I said if what happened to passion owner then you could arrest all brothel owners in Santo Domingo. There is no difference in what they do. You never pay girl directly. You pay bartender. So, let's see what happens, but I would never go to a brothel or pick up a SW in the DR. No way.[/QUOTE]I've gone to 305 girls were gorgeous but 100 US no thanks. Picked up streetwalkers they were nice.

So I have been to a brothel in Santo Domingo but never got a girl there. If that's what they do the same thing can happen to them. I cannot verify that.

Let time tell the full story.

"During the raid the police encountered, as they announced. 32 girls who were forced to offer sexual services.

The police freed them from their precarious situation, as informed the police".

Why does it say that the girls were forced to offer sexual services? I think it's not true but but I don't live in Sosùa.

"the police freed them from their precarious situation.". Are they serious. I broke into laughter when I read this because it's not true, it is?

Please tell me what you know of how it works.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Niceb;1450580]Why does it say that the girls were forced to offer sexual services? I think it's not true but but I don't live in Sosùa.[/QUOTE]If you read the initial press release very carefully, it states that the police seized records of the girls being fined if they failed or refused to go out with customers.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1450583]If you read the initial press release very carefully, it states that the police seized records of the girls being fined if they failed or refused to go out with customers.[/QUOTE]I understand. But tell me, in the first place, are the girls forced to "work" in the Bar. It would be wrong then but if not, it's house rule.

You could came across Passion's girls past midnight if you were in Classico. Better Rates then.

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1450563]The law states that there is no pimping of women. They are independent contractors who "Rent Space / Room". Therefore the customer pays them then they give the "rent" to the establishment. That is how it is done. It is also done that way in Costa Rica. Otherwise if you are the owner you are "pimping" when you receive the money directly from the customer.

You can say whatever-but that's how they get around the Pimping law. He didn't do it. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I took one girl from there I PAID THE BARTENDER not the girl the money. In "FIELD OF DREAMS" I gave the money directly to the girl. That is how it is properly done.

That being said I do not know the owner so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes at Passions or any other place. But I know if I did own one of those places I would probably have a Dominican partner and follow the law to the letter.

Time will tell exactly what happened I will not exploit someone problems with pure speculation and hearsay as is often done here by some members.[/QUOTE]If that was the case. Passion should of been closed down a long time ago. The bartender has been collecting the money from clients fir years.

[QUOTE=Niceb;1450588]I understand. But tell me, in the first place, are the girls forced to "work" in the Bar. It would be wrong then but if not, it's house rule.[/QUOTE]I think the terms of employment for bar staff might allow the employer to sanction them if they refused to serve the customer with a drink, but it is a bit different punishing them financially for refusing to have sex with client, because the laws that govern prostitution are a bit different from the laws that govern other types of employment. In fact, you can't employ someone as a prostitute at all. That is why it is significant that investigators found pay packets and records of deductions for refusing to go out with clients, showing that these women were employees and not independent contractors who rented space like a hairdresser might rent a chair in the US or UK.

If the women were independent contractors, it would be up to them to decide which men they would go with, how much they would charge, and what acts they would perform.

At least that is what the prosecution will probably argue.

Look, pimping and running brothels is illegal in the Dominican Republic, although until recently the government has not enforced the existing laws. The defense for Peter Jensen may well argue that he was not running a brothel, pimping, pandering, or trafficking in human beings, but presumably there will be witnesses who will testify and decisions will be made on points of law.

I don't know enough about the Dominican legal system or political system to know for sure what the outcome will be, but my feeling is that if the top level of the Dominican political class is determined to close down brothels, then they are likely to appoint members of the judiciary who will get the job done.

[QUOTE=Niceb; 1450588]I understand. But tell me, in the first place, are the girls forced to "work" in the Bar. It would be wrong then but if not, it's house rule.

You could came across Passion's girls past midnight if you were in Classico. Better Rates then.[/QUOTE]It is like Angeles city bars. Yes, the girls are free to decide if they will go and have sex with a specific person or not. Yes, they are free to leave and go work elsewhere. Yes, they have the choice to be runners or non providers of sex in spite of barfine. Yes, they can promise anything in the bar to be barfined and come out with all sorts of excuses why they cannot have sex (Excuses are numerous to list).

These are the facts.

In Passions, yes, they are not bonded girls. Yes, they have set hours. Yes, they can choose who they will have sex with. Yes, they rent the cubicles supposedly for massage. Yes, they are working there of their own free will in spite of the whole world knowing what guys go there for. (it is definitely not to have drink and shoot the breeze with girls). Definitely have other kind of shooting in mind.

But in reality,

1. No such kind of set will make money and be popular if girls refuse to have sex with at least 80% of the men. As far as I know none were refused sex.

2. Girls will not have repeat customers if they do not perform well to satisfy the customers.

3. Not every girl who shows up at the bar will be hired. There is definitely certain requisites like beauty, body proportions are required. (Given is majority of passions girls are pretty)

4. I am sure girls are required to work overtime if the ration of girls fall for one reason or another although her time of work finished at 12 midnight. (most common reason for less girls will be menses)

5. Management will never tolerate any girl who refuses to follow rules like making guys happy. Whole business depends on this. I am sure many a girls are fired for this reason.

6. Disgruntled girls for one reason are another complain to police and other agencies. This exact thing happened to a fellow monger who ran his own personal harem in Cebu, Philippines.

7. Passions is not a legit massage place although that is what is written outside.

8. I am sure even BB resort will get into trouble sooner or later. It is also like a " brothel " in spite of masqueraded as a resort with hostesses.

9. These days bribing or political connection can go only so far. When push comes to shove even the bribed officials and political connection will turn their backs on them.

In closing there is some pressure on the girls if they want to make money and keep their jobs.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1450598]7. Passions is not a legit massage place although that is what is written outside.[/QUOTE]Actually it only says "Bar and Spa" outside and massage is not mentioned as far as I know. It is not entirely clear to me what Spa means, although it is often taken to mean massage is available. There are hotels in the DR advertised as "Resort and Spa" or "Casino and Spa" and I think sometimes Spa just means that there is a pool or jacuzzi available.

The Web site does not mention massage, and massage is not an item offered on the menu.

[url]http://passions-sosua.com/pwp/our-menu/[/url]

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1450591]If that was the case. Passion should of been closed down a long time ago. The bartender has been collecting the money from clients fir years.[/QUOTE]The rest of the story has yet to be told. I don't go by anything other than the facts as they are reported by CREDIBLE SOURCES.

It would be interesting if the "PLACES THAT RENT SPACE / ROOMS" to the girls are shut down

[QUOTE=Bravo;1449526]Help closed because Rio won the Olympics! Simple as that![/QUOTE]From Sosua News: "The owner (of Passions) and his assistant manager are taken into custody. It is said that this raid followed on the resent closure of 16 massage parlors. All part of the big plan to improve Sosúa for tourism."

Puerto Plata doesn't have the Olympics, but the cruise ship port just outside Puerto Plata is set to open in the coming year. ([url]http://www.carnival.com/Funville********p/227381/1185220.aspx[/url]). When it does, somewhere between 3, 000-6, 000 tourists will disembark from the ships somewhere between three to five times a week. Besides the fort, the teleferico, Ocean World and a tour of Brugal, there isn't that much to do. Cabarete has a nice beach and decent restaurants, but is almost an hour away from the dock. That leaves Sosua. Someone may be thinking that the cruise business is better in the long term than the sex-tourist business. Perhaps that all fits in well with the plan to move the beach vendors into a more tourist friendly set-up, etc. Perhaps the new cruise port is a game changer.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1450623]From Sosua News: "The owner (of Passions) and his assistant manager are taken into custody. It is said that this raid followed on the resent closure of 16 massage parlors. All part of the big plan to improve Sosúa for tourism."

Puerto Plata doesn't have the Olympics, but the cruise ship port just outside Puerto Plata is set to open in the coming year. (

[url]http://www.carnival.com/Funville********p/227381/1185220.aspx[/url]

). When it does, somewhere between 3, 000-6, 000 tourists will disembark from the ships somewhere between three to five times a week. Besides the fort, the teleferico, Ocean World and a tour of Brugal, there isn't that much to do. Cabarete has a nice beach and decent restaurants, but is almost an hour away from the dock. That leaves Sosua. Someone may be thinking that the cruise business is better in the long term than the sex-tourist business. Perhaps that all fits in well with the plan to move the beach vendors into a more tourist friendly set-up, etc. Perhaps the new cruise port is a game changer.[/QUOTE]You might be onto something my friend, but I thought Maimon was getting the cruise ships?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1450604]The Web site does not mention massage, and massage is not an item offered on the menu.

[url]http://passions-sosua.com/pwp/our-menu/[/url][/QUOTE]Your right, no more massage. Yet, a few years ago, you could choose on the menu a one hour massage with happy ending for 1300 pesos. I did it a few times and I miss it.

"Modern" economic development can spell doom for any industry including prostitution. I can see the cruise ships coming into POP denting, severely curtailing or eliminating prostitution in Sosua. As others have said with limited things to do in POP people will be driven to Sosua and Cabarete. And given that cruises are taken overwhelmingly by families and couples sooner or later the cries of "too many prostitutes in POP and Sosua so avoid that cruise" will drive the cruise lines to use their political connections inside and outside the USA to pressure the DR to end or eliminate our hobby. Think this is implausible? Take Thailand for example. Those of us who have been and lived there can tell you that Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy continue to get smaller and smaller in physical size. Just take a look at what those areas looked like 20 years ago-more bars, more girls. Now look at them. Reduced to only a block or so in size. And even Pattaya has built high end shopping malls (Central) and is seemingly doing things to attract more than just mongers. The Phuket sex scene is much much smaller than it was just ten years ago. And Thailand participation in ASEAN will further dent the sex trade. Look at Cambodia. It was once a haven for very very cheap working girls ($10 bucks for a girl that looked just like a Thai girl in Pattaya that wants $30). Cambodia is no longer a major monger haven as it once was. The fact of the matter is modern economic development and US pressure is changing things in the DR. The monger scene as we know it will be a memory. I have never visited nor know much about Passions but I do know that to go after a well known,"bright lights" mongering spot is a clear signal of what is to come. Clearly no one in the DR is concerned with how many mongers will cancel, will not spend money, and how many girls will have to return to their shanty as a result of Passions closing. And that is just Passions. As we all know these girls talk among each other and no doubt word has gotten around the whole island that Passions was raided and closed and as a result their is more than one girl that said to herself "I am scared to go to Sosua for fear of being arrested" (whether she worked the bars or a massage spot). So she does not go to Sosua.

This is just my opinion and time will tell but global examples of the curtailing of sex travel (under the guise of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]) do not bode well for the future of Sosua.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1450630]There ya go!

[BLUE]The historical tour of Sosua will include a visit to the Sosua Aquarium, formerly the site of a brothel, where you can see spectacular gold fish displays, naked women swimming with sharks, and get a soothing private massage from a slim, light-skinned, depilated, young tour guide before enjoying a refreshing glass of freshly squeezed carrot juice and oatmeal, a Dominican tradition. [/BLUE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1450508]I ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a year but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is. It satisfies the cops when they check her so she is happy. It doesn't seem to say anything about "work" or "study' so maybe it is just a "temporary residence" visa, although it doesn't say that either. This is a very sensitive area for Haitians as they feel very vulnerable. Also they are told all sorts of BS by Haitian and Dominican officials, the laws and interpretations are constantly changing, and most of them have limited literacy for official jargon in minute print, so everyone is confused all the time and reluctant to discuss it with blan.

I hope someone here knows more than me about "work" visas and can answer your question.

You would probably have better luck hiring a car in Israel to drive to Iran.

You might find a private person who would rent you a car but I guess you would have to put the whole (and probably inflated) value of the car up as security.[/QUOTE]You are a wealth of information.

Where does she have to go to renew it and how long does it usually take her are they ever any problems in the process

i posted this about 2 months ago. the big boys are looking for the birds in the bushes. there may be something coming that will make sosua work to enhance the cruise opportunity. often these plans turn to shit in the dr but dr is on par with the us when it comes to greed. i remember 42 st in ny 20 years ago. peep shows, sex shows and low lifes. look at it now. you never know. i say enjoy it while you can.

[quote=orgasmico; 1450623]from sosua news: "the owner (of passions) and his assistant manager are taken into custody. it is said that this raid followed on the resent closure of 16 massage parlors. all part of the big plan to improve sosúa for tourism."

puerto plata doesn't have the olympics, but the cruise ship port just outside puerto plata is set to open in the coming year. (

[url]http://www.carnival.com/funville********p/227381/1185220.aspx[/url]

). when it does, somewhere between 3, 000-6, 000 tourists will disembark from the ships somewhere between three to five times a week. besides the fort, the teleferico, ocean world and a tour of brugal, there isn't that much to do. cabarete has a nice beach and decent restaurants, but is almost an hour away from the dock. that leaves sosua. someone may be thinking that the cruise business is better in the long term than the sex-tourist business. perhaps that all fits in well with the plan to move the beach vendors into a more tourist friendly set-up, etc. perhaps the new cruise port is a game changer.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1450660]"Modern" economic development can spell doom for any industry including prostitution. I can see the cruise ships coming into POP denting, severely curtailing or eliminating prostitution in Sosua. As others have said with limited things to do in POP people will be driven to Sosua and Cabarete. And given that cruises are taken overwhelmingly by families and couples sooner or later the cries of "too many prostitutes in POP and Sosua so avoid that cruise" will drive the cruise lines to use their political connections inside and outside the USA to pressure the DR to end or eliminate our hobby. Think this is implausible? Take Thailand for example. Those of us who have been and lived there can tell you that Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy continue to get smaller and smaller in physical size. Just take a look at what those areas looked like 20 years ago-more bars, more girls. Now look at them. Reduced to only a block or so in size. And even Pattaya has built high end shopping malls (Central) and is seemingly doing things to attract more than just mongers. The Phuket sex scene is much much smaller than it was just ten years ago. And Thailand participation in ASEAN will further dent the sex trade. Look at Cambodia. It was once a haven for very very cheap working girls ($10 bucks for a girl that looked just like a Thai girl in Pattaya that wants $30). Cambodia is no longer a major monger haven as it once was...[/QUOTE]Good post and I agree mostly, but this is the DR and I have seen them fuck up a good thing many times.

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1450660]"Modern" economic development can spell doom for any industry including prostitution. I can see the cruise ships coming into POP denting, severely curtailing or eliminating prostitution in Sosua. As others have said with limited things to do in POP people will be driven to Sosua and Cabarete. And given that cruises are taken overwhelmingly by families and couples sooner or later the cries of "too many prostitutes in POP and Sosua so avoid that cruise" will drive the cruise lines to use their political connections inside and outside the USA to pressure the DR to end or eliminate our hobby. Think this is implausible? Take Thailand for example. Those of us who have been and lived there can tell you that Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy continue to get smaller and smaller in physical size. Just take a look at what those areas looked like 20 years ago-more bars, more girls. Now look at them. Reduced to only a block or so in size. And even Pattaya has built high end shopping malls (Central) and is seemingly doing things to attract more than just mongers. The Phuket sex scene is much much smaller than it was just ten years ago. And Thailand participation in ASEAN will further dent the sex trade. Look at Cambodia. It was once a haven for very very cheap working girls ($10 bucks for a girl that looked just like a Thai girl in Pattaya that wants $30). Cambodia is no longer a major monger haven as it once was. The fact of the matter is modern economic development and US pressure is changing things in the DR. The monger scene as we know it will be a memory. I have never visited nor know much about Passions but I do know that to go after a well known,"bright lights" mongering spot is a clear signal of what is to come. Clearly no one in the DR is concerned with how many mongers will cancel, will not spend money, and how many girls will have to return to their shanty as a result of Passions closing. And that is just Passions. As we all know these girls talk among each other and no doubt word has gotten around the whole island that Passions was raided and closed and as a result their is more than one girl that said to herself "I am scared to go to Sosua for fear of being arrested" (whether she worked the bars or a massage spot). So she does not go to Sosua.

This is just my opinion and time will tell but global examples of the curtailing of sex travel (under the guise of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]) do not bode well for the future of Sosua.[/QUOTE]Man people are really getting carried away because Passions closed. Read Charles Pooter post#16914, thats why Peter got locked up and Passions closed, anybody that knows the DR knows this post hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE=Revere;1450565]Again, I said if what happened to passion owner then you could arrest all brothel owners in Santo Domingo. There is no difference in what they do. You never pay girl directly. You pay bartender. So, let's see what happens, but I would never go to a brothel or pick up a SW in the DR. No way.[/QUOTE]Dr, is full of brothels but it seems they only interested in the ones located in tourist areas. I hope Peter hired a good lawyer who can prove that his client was targeted by proving that other brothels exist throughout the country legally.

[quote=oldkool;1450665]i posted this about 2 months ago. the big boys are looking for the birds in the bushes. there may be something coming that will make sosua work to enhance the cruise opportunity. often these plans turn to shit in the dr but dr is on par with the us when it comes to greed. i remember 42 st in ny 20 years ago. peep shows, sex shows and low lifes. look at it now. you never know. i say enjoy it while you can.[/quote]good point you guys brought up. i was forgettinng that cruise ships were going to be docking in pp soon and that could definitely change many a things. if somehow blackbeards survives, i'm buying 1000 shares of bb stock lol.

[QUOTE=Doker44;1450682]Man people are really getting carried away because Passions closed. Read Charles Pooter post#16914, thats why Peter got locked up and Passions closed, anybody that knows the DR knows this post hit the nail on the head.[/QUOTE]I respect what you are saying, but I don't think it's that simple. I can name about 50 spots thru out the DR that are doing the same thing and are still rolling. This was direct and meant to send a message to one spot. Its bigger than Passions. People are blaming this on Peter getting much too comfortable and flaunting the system but I don't believe that.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1449252]While hanging at Rockys the other day, I witnessed a situation. The guys from Daniel Car rental brought one of their customers to Rocky to get the customer to pay them for a scooter he had rented from them. Apparentely he had made friends with some local dominican. Was letting this local hang with him. At some point he allowed the local to get close enough to trust to "borrow" the bike to allegedly go get some marijuana.

Once the local took off he hasnt been found again. Daniels car rental want $2800 to settle the matter. Hold on it gets worse. The dude was out one night and managed to have his wallet stolen. His credit card was in there. Apparently since that incident Rick and others have been lending him money. So the dude was flat broke, and in a mess over this scooter...[/QUOTE]Yes I was there when this happened as well, was talking with the well known expat who hangs out at the front of Rocky's when two unhappy looking Dominicans came in with the gringo. The expat told the gringo to go sit down in the back and wait for Rick while he called Rick the Domincans waited up front. We must of been there at the same time and were probably talking with each other. Was a real nit with stupid act by the gringo, he's very lucky he had Rick there to help him out.

Chris

I write this report during very troubling times, it seems our hobby, our recreation, our love, our passion our reason for being is under threat all over the world from Angeles City in the Philippines to Sosua in the Dominican Republic. I certainly hope the closing of La Passions is just a bump in the road and not a major change of direction for Sosua. The signs however, are troubling and give cause for concern; the desire to bring the cruise ships into Puerto Plata filled with the traditional family tourist the local officials closing down all of the massage parlors. Supposedly for not having a massage license and not for offering the sex they were offering, to now La Passions the most visual and vocal P4P venue being shut down and even the police going into D'Latin and checking everyone's identification. I see more and more tour buses and large trucks with tourist in the back coming through Sosua, the more of them there are the less of us they will want.

Airport:

The airport has had some improvements made to it, looks much nicer now, instead of one line to pay your visa tax of $10. As you enter there are now three different booths. Didn't notice any booth giving out a free glass of rum when you arrive like before, this may be a thing of the past, airport and immigration still runs pretty smooth easy to get through, taxis or your driver is still standing to the right as you exit the airport.

Hotels:

Stayed at Ricks place, Rocky's, in the budget rooms $27 a night plus $10 a night if you want air-conditioning. Good rooms for the price, basic but has wifi in room safe and of course an excellent location. Another benefit of staying at one of Ricks places is you have his assistance if anything goes wrong. Witnessed a none chica related nit with act by a monger that got himself into hock with local Dominicans and Rick was there to help the monger out.

When it comes to your hotel room and the chicas, 'it doesn't matter' what matters to the chicas is getting paid afterwards. I've stayed in luxurious places and I've stayed at the budget places and I have noticed absolutely no difference in the deminer, attitude or the service from the chicas. The place you chose to stay is more for your own personal preference and probably won't make any difference in the service you get from the chica. If you are a butterfly and interested in sampling the nectar of a verity of Sosua flowers you may want to consider a budget room, they will be fine for the purpose. If you are looking to wife up keep a chica over night or a few days or entertain guest you may want something more. Personally when I want to do this I stay at Sosua Suites, what I like about the place is, one its right in the heart of the action and two it's like having your own apartment, separate bedroom, separate kitchen, balcony.

The Strip:

The strip was alive and active every night with a lot of vibe and energy. The strip is one block long with bars on both sides of the street and this is where all of the activity, action and freelancers are at night, it begins at the corner of Dr. Rosen drive and Pedro Clisante (sp?) and runs west for about one block on Pedro Clisante. Rumba has the crowd in the mid afternoon and early evening then later in the evening the crowd moves over to D'Latin. I love that place, on a good night D'Latin can hold its own against any monger venue throughout the world. It's an open air bar / disco the place gets completely packed with chicas and mongers you can find some very attractive women there many will try to grab you as you try to squeeze by give you the look and smile, you can walk up to any chica you see and within five minutes or less of introducing yourself you are walking hand in hand back to your room for a little horizontal mambo.

Prices:

1500 pesos for short time, one to two hours and 3000 for long time, all night. These are the standard prices however, the women in Sosua are free lancers so you can bargain with them, many are able to get them for even less. On the flip side the girls will try to get more, especially if they think you are a newbie and don't know anything they will ask for much, much more, BUT DON'T PAY MORE, I had over 15 women in four days and never paid more than 1500 for short time. A few asked for 2000 at first but I counted with 1500 and all accepted right away, hold your ground and they will all accept the above rates.

Day Time Action:

Daytimes are slow there are a few girls along the strip but not many there are a few at the beach but not in droves there will be a few in the New Garden hotel as well, you can find a chica during the day and many are attractive however it is not as plentiful as at night when the strip comes alive. Prior to the crackdown you could also find chicas at the many massage parlors that used to be all over but now with the crackdown they are all closed. La Passions used to open at noon but it is now closed due to the crackdown, CMP Club opens at 1. M.

Services:

As always Great with very few acceptations have I had a bad session with a chica in the DR, it has happened but not often, BBBJ, DATY and DFK with all the girls I had and in over three years of visiting the DR I don't think I have ever had a CBJ. But, I ALWAYS interview my chicas first and let them know that I expect these services at the above prices, you never pay extra for these services.

GFE:

Yes it is still possible, I have seen where many of the Sosua vets talk about how easy it was to get a chica long term meet her family treat you like you are the love of her life and never expect a thing in return. I witnessed just that on this trip as my wingman met a none P4P chica his first night ended up spending his entire trip with her met some of her family she gave him great sex and in the end didn't ask for a thing from him.

La Passions Closing:

This is very troubling and gives one cause for concern. I was there Friday night and unfortunately that may be the last time. I usually frequented the place only once on every trip as I prefer the vibe the energy and the freelance action along the strip and almost always picked up in Rumbas or later in the night at D'Latin. But it was nice to know that La Passions was there as a backup if nothing appealed to me along the strip.

Final Thoughts:

The strip was alive and well with lots of energy excitement and vibe as always. The chicas were hot fun to be with and delivering good sex at a good price as usual. However, there are some troubling signs. The airport improvements certainly are not to impress mongers but in anticipation of increased traditional tourist. The desire to bring the cruise ships into Puerto Plata the increased number of tour buses driving through Sosua with traditional tourist. The closing of all the massage parlors, supposedly for not having a massage license and not for the sex they were actually selling, the closing of La Passions, the reason of which is still not clear, the police entering D'Latin and checking every ones identification. All these could just be coincidences, a miner irritation, or the beginning of the end to Sosua as we know and love it. Personally I'm going to choose to be an optimist. I don't believe Sosua as we know and love it will ever go away. I believe the strip the freelancers the vibe the energy the excitement will always be there, it may change and adapt but it will always exist in some form or fashion.

Chris

firstly mr pooter,

then you are not impartial like me and your views carry less weight. i hope you will be one of those supportive friends thunderstar was calling for (from the safety of rural england).

i can't believe that you know what part of england i am from and if it is rural or not, nor how safe an area i live in?

so. it's interesting that you pass comment on things you just don't know about.

but hey. we all do that on these type of boards.

as i said on another board, i think it's sad that so many people are "sticking the knife in" when peters situation is so difficult for him.

there are loads of laws that are not enforced in all countries in the world, however this week the dr has just picked on a large "spa" run by a gringo for at least 9 years and thrown him in jail. as so many in the sosua forums on all boards have partied in his place over the years, i personally find that a little disingenuous.

am i a friend of peters? well, ish, a few messages on fb every now and then and a few social drinks outside of his bar, i've even given him a lift once! but. real friends. not really.

am i glad like so many others appear to be that he is "fucked" right now? no. even though i and my wife haven't "partied" in his place for a few years we will always stop in for a drink or two and to say hi.

morally. in that town, his business has to be one of the best when it comes to sex. it's off the street, in a clean smart environment. yes it's run with an iron fist, but i can't imagine you can run a successful business any other way in that town.

morally. unless things have drastically changed in the last few months and **** girls or drugs have been introduced (which i can't believe for a moment. why would you risk all of that for a few extra $$$?) then peter is in the right.

now legally. that maybe a different matter.

as another poster said, i'm sure there are more twists and turns to come in this story.

Let me just jump in here.

Dominican visas for Haitians living in the North Coast are most easily obtained at the Dominican consulate in Ouanaminthe.

Get there early, around 9 am, present passport, application, fee and you should receive everything back around 2 pm in the afternoon.

In time to cross-back into the DR before the border crossing closes at 4 pm.

I did it about two years ago with my then girlfriend in tow. We left Sosua at 5 am (public, guagua) , crossed into Haiti around 11 am, stayed the night, presented everything to the consulate and were ready to go in the afternoon.

There are also Haitians who will do all the leg work for a fee. You send them the paper work and money by Caribe Express, they submit everything and return passport with visa a few days later. These guys are very reliable and can save you the time and expense of physically having to travel.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1450663]You are a wealth of information.

Where does she have to go to renew it and how long does it usually take her are they ever any problems in the process[/QUOTE]

Cruise ships arrive in the am and are long gone by dark. The tourists don't rent hotel rooms, or partake of nightlife. Cruises are mostly in the winter time. This is the slow season.

There are legal brothels in st martin. When the ships come in, the girls are busy during the day. When no ship in port, day are slow, and they rely on locals and vacationers at night.

They may be trying to clean up the beach area to attrack the family tourists by day. Move the action off the streets, into the clubs, at night. Wht passions was hit is a mystery. No real change in how they were doing business. Not in the tourist area. Off the beaten path.

Tropical storm dorian brewing in the area. Looks like its going to pass right north of the island next week. Effects of the storm tracking over the entire island. I'm scheduled to arrive Monday. Considering rebooking for the next wk. Any thoughts?

Passions was disgusting. Good Riddance to it and anything like it.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1450707]I respect what you are saying, but I don't think it's that simple. I can name about 50 spots thru out the DR that are doing the same thing and are still rolling. This was direct and meant to send a message to one spot. Its bigger than Passions. People are blaming this on Peter getting much too comfortable and flaunting the system but I don't believe that.[/QUOTE]Mr. Pooter's theory that Peter brought this on by a display of conspicuous consumption may be right. I don't know Peter, have never met him, and have no opinion on the matter, though I concede that this may have contributed to making Passion's a target, but I brought the board's attention to this article some weeks ago in which the attorney general stated an intention to wipe out commercial prostitution networks and actually made mention of ongoing operations in Sosua among other places.

Application of Occam's razor might be the best policy.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2013/05/20/i384476_are-going-put-end-networks-prostitution.html[/url]

Gogo. Can you list the other 50 spots doing the same thing in the DR? Had no idea there were so many places operating on similar lines.

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[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1450200]But I would not rule out a Houdini escape from the situation. Nothing in this topsy-turvy country surprises me.[/QUOTE]Strong rumors from normally sensible people that Passions will be open again by the weekend.

But no news specifically of Peter and Mariela.

For all I know Passions may be dispensing with the chicas and alcohol and just be selling natural fruit juice and vegetarian burgers.

So long as they get rid of their deafening music and free the goldfish I could live with that.

[QUOTE=Revere;1450877]Gogo, explain more. What do you think is happening. I want you to share your thoughts of what is happening.[/QUOTE]Is it a coincidence that the vendors being moved out from the beach for remodeling also at the same time as arguably the biggest supplier if chicas in Sosua is arrested? With the beach closed its the perfect time to reinvent a new Sosua. I have to be careful here; but look who has purchased the big super market on the main highway (by out bidding several prominent Dominicans) , look who has been quietly buying up big parcels of real estate? Sosua is in transition. Will it work? I don't know.

[quote=frannie; 1450874]mr. pooter's theory that peter brought this on by a display of conspicuous consumption may be right. i don't know peter, have never met him, and have no opinion on the matter, though i concede that this may have contributed to making passion's a target, but i brought the board's attention to this article some weeks ago in which the attorney general stated an intention to wipe out commercial prostitution networks and actually made mention of ongoing operations in sosua among other places.

application of occam's razor might be the best policy.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2013/05/20/i384476_are-going-put-end-networks-prostitution.html[/url]

gogo. can you list the other 50 spots doing the same thing in the dr? had no idea there were so many places operating on similar lines.[/quote]frannie, i read your link the guy sounds serious, but he said he wants to clean up sousa and especially, boca chica. boca chica is terrible. it reminds me of place that has seen better days. no tourists is visiting that spot for a nice relaxing and fun vacation. i do not know what he will clean up speedos. just joking, but i go sometimes on sundays when i am there, but it just is not that nice of place to spend a lot of time there. some of these places like boca chica with no sex tourism they will have very limited revenue opportunities. no nice resorts will pop up in boca chica crackdown or not. maybe he hopes more paying locals vacation in boca chica i do not get it.

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[quote=oldkool;1450665]i posted this about 2 months ago. the big boys are looking for the birds in the bushes. there may be something coming that will make sosua work to enhance the cruise opportunity. often these plans turn to shit in the dr but dr is on par with the us when it comes to greed. i remember 42 st in ny 20 years ago. peep shows, sex shows and low lifes. look at it now. you never know. i say enjoy it while you can.[/quote]this makes sense. the puerto plata area needs to enhance its image for the lucrative cruise ships.

guess what. obvious brothels are not good for big spending tourists. clearly they outspend budget mongering tourists (me included). respect dr's gov push which in my idealistic mind means more jobs for the locals.

there are plenty of other spots for budget mongering with hot young chicas.

I asked a dominican contact what he knows about what going on. This is his statement :

"This is all politics they say that they found drugs, minors and 32 girls held against their will. We all know that these are all lies.

Peter and his wife are the owners and they are both still in jail.

Everyone here is quite upset about this because Passions is one of the most organized business of it's kind in the country.

Everyone here is waiting to see what happens".

I am sure peter is no a saint but I also doubt he is forcing any of these girls into the sex trade. It is greedy Dominicans who horde the national wealth and create an enviroment where young girls selling their bodies is necessary. Almost everyone of those girls was on the street the next night selling pussy at DLatins, I personally depise pimps. However Peter provided structure to many of these girls lives and gave them a better enviroment to practice their trade. Dominican men have a reputation of not treating their women very well and have created a country where many of their daughters have to sell pussy to survive. You are blaming the wrong people.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1450890]Typical white man apologist showing no consideration for the home country. Its all about me getting sex. Forget everybody else.[/QUOTE]

If you have been in DR or Reading the forum the last few months the Haitian raids nor Passions being shut down comes as no surprise; Especially viewing what was said before, during and after the elections, the minister of justices comments, the head of the national polices comments and upcoming opening of the cruise ship ports. Not to mention Peter being a complete dick having Haters all throughout the Dominican political structure.

It's pretty simple for high visible areas, public brothels are 100% illegal. It doesn't matter what happens in the non tourist sections they don't want it in full view of tourist. Those mentioning anything about that not being fair are Naive and intellectually dishonest. The job of prosecutor by its very nature is a political process viewing limited resources.

What's been said overtly is: Any third party that takes a dime from the transaction of prostitution will be prosecuted as well as an expansion of pandering to include johns. All in the name if stamping out [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. As well as DR increased activity as a major drug hub for the Caribbean. Some argue with me but DR is filled with an alphabet soup of foreign agencies funding and assisting the clean up.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1450834]Tropical storm dorian brewing in the area. Looks like its going to pass right north of the island next week. Effects of the storm tracking over the entire island. I'm scheduled to arrive Monday. Considering rebooking for the next wk. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]You are just going to have to go with your gut tells you. You could very well get stuck at the airport before you even get to the DR (the airline is not going to put their aircraft and passengers in potential danger).

[quote=revere;1450888]i do not know whether he will clean up speedos.[/quote]i presume you are referring to speedos, or brief one piece swim suits worn by men, usually from europe, or in swimming competitions.

[url]http://www.speedousa.com/family/index.jsp?cp=3124322.3124332.11859612&categoryid=3124359[/url]

i grew up in europe, but also lived for over 30 years in the caribbean and in the usa. i have been a lap swimmer for decades.

growing up in europe everyone-every male swimmer or sunbather-wore briefs and it was never an issue with anyone, and i never remember anyone commenting on the outline of another man's genitals, or anything like that. when i came to live on the western bank of the atlantic, i found that people from the us always wore surfer shorts due to the fact that they were embarrassed that brief swimsuits might outline their genitalia, or lack of, to public view.

brief bathing trunks have absolutely no such connotation in europe, where nude beaches are pretty common too, but i am not sure what pertains in the dr. a lot of dominicans don't have swimsuits, so they just jump in the ocean or pool in shorts, t-shirts, and whatever casual gear they are wearing.

swimming briefs or speedos are very practical if you swim a lot as they dry quickly and can be worn underneath shorts as underwear or as a support garment. they also make it possible to get an almost full body sun tan, which surfer shorts certainly don't.

i suspect that dominicans think that speedos on the beach suggest homosexuality, but i doubt whether they really see italian tourists wearing briefs as an urgent matter of public policy or as something that affects tourism, otherwise they would surely be banning women's bikinis too.

i usually wear surfer shorts these days, but would prefer briefs for swimming.

do you personally find swimming briefs offensive and would you divert your family from a beach where they were in evidence?

[quote=frannie; 1450928]i presume you are referring to speedos, or brief one piece swim suits worn by men, usually from europe, or in swimming competitions.

[url]http://www.speedousa.com/family/index.jsp?cp=3124322.3124332.11859612&categoryid=3124359[/url]

i grew up in europe, but also lived for over 30 years in the caribbean and in the usa. i have been a lap swimmer for decades.

growing up in europe everyone-every male swimmer or sunbather-wore briefs and it was never an issue with anyone, and i never remember anyone commenting on the outline of another man's genitals, or anything like that. when i came to live on the western bank of the atlantic, i found that people from the us always wore surfer shorts due to the fact that they were embarrassed that brief swimsuits might outline their genitalia, or lack of, to public view.

brief bathing trunks have absolutely no such connotation in europe, where nude beaches are pretty common too, but i am not sure what pertains in the dr. a lot of dominicans don't have swimsuits, so they just jump in the ocean or pool in shorts, t-shirts, and whatever casual gear they are wearing.

swimming briefs or speedos are very practical if you swim a lot as they dry quickly and can be worn underneath shorts as underwear or as a support garment. they also make it possible to get an almost full body sun tan, which surfer shorts certainly don't.

i suspect that dominicans think that speedos on the beach suggest homosexuality, but i doubt whether they really see italian tourists wearing briefs as an urgent matter of public policy or as something that affects tourism, otherwise they would surely be banning women's bikinis too.

i usually wear surfer shorts these days, but would prefer briefs for swimming.

do you personally find swimming briefs offensive and would you divert your family from a beach where they were in evidence?[/quote]just a joke please do not take offense. i do not care what people wear on the beach. i am for whatever makes you comfortable. to answer your question, on what domincans think of men wearing speedos. i do not think they think men who wear speedos are homosexual. but, who cares again i do not care what people wear. i know women there care more on what you give them then on what you wear. that is a fact. you could walk around in a space suit if you make a dominican women happy she will go anywhere with you. now, you might get some looks wearing that but if you got a hot girl with you you might start seeing more people wearing space suits. my point, do you because whe cares on what anybody thinks.

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[quote=revere;1450937]just a joke please do not take offense. i do not care what people wear on the beach.[/quote]no offense taken, but i am just interested in what people find offensive and this is not the first time speedos have been mentioned on this board as something apparently distasteful to some people. personally i would not even notice what people are wearing on the beach unless it was brought to my attention by someone else.

there is no limit to what people will take offense at. back in the early 60's when the beatles and the rolling stones were something new, if we saw a man wearing long hair, my dad would stiffen like a hunting dog sighting a target and say something like: "is that a man or a woman? are you sure?" and give every appearance of being under great stress and anxiety, when it was perfectly obvious that the guy was a guy. that was how men of his generation who served in world war ii were conditioned to behave, but now such a thing seems quite absurd. the speedo thing seems like that to me.

[quote=frannie; 1450948]no offense taken, but i am just interested in what people find offensive and this is not the first time speedos have been mentioned on this board as something apparently distasteful to some people. personally i would not even notice what people are wearing on the beach unless it was brought to my attention by someone else.

there is no limit to what people will take offense at. back in the early 60's when the beatles and the rolling stones were something new, if we saw a man wearing long hair, my dad would stiffen like a hunting dog sighting a target and say something like: "is that a man or a woman? are you sure?" and give every appearance of being under great stress and anxiety, when it was perfectly obvious that the guy was a guy. that was how men of his generation who served in world war ii were conditioned to behave, but now such a thing seems quite absurd. the speedo thing seems like that to me.[/quote]i do not think it is offensive, i think it is about confidence. i think some people are insecure about there body so they try to cover it up. for some people, wearing more makes them more confident about themselves. now, i am going to say something that will sound crazy. my fear with speedos for me i am playing with a chica and i get a hard on to me it would seem it would be harder for me to hide it. i do not want to walk around and people see i have a hard dick. that would seem offensive to me. i know that sounds crazy but that is my fear how do you hide a hard dick in speedos. i have to stay in the water until i calm down. you guys know when you in the water playing with a girl and she turns you on. i know that has happen to many of you. i am serious. i know this is not a board discussion so you do not have to answer because i know the board will be what the fuck is going on here why are you guys talking about that lol.

Oh, those days are gone on this thread.

Nothing left but arguing and bullshit!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1450970]Oh, those days are gone on this thread.

Nothing left but arguing and bullshit![/QUOTE]Looks like she has an itchy ass! No one is being stopped from posting trip reports. Meanwhile there is lots of information about the current state of play in Sosua.

[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2009/08/17/nude-beaches/_jcr_content/image.img.2000.jpg/1337256000000.cached.jpg[/url]

I got a very strange, and unusual request, hope I don't get locked up for this idea. How about us pretending this is a "chat hoard" and further moregoing to "Sosua" then posting (I'm redundant I know) but high lights, low lights or no lights at all. Just imagine an "actual live trip report" Wow gives me goosebumps", Shoutout to Chris Long for bringing out a rarety an actual "trip reports with photos" (Un believable!) Maybe aliens do exists! Tomjackin ill be right behind you with a 5 day, Sosua trip in Oct 12-17th, If any of you are in the area, I will try and report my finding. Okay back to our regularly schedule programming "racist blacks vs gringos" and racist gringos vs blacks" Mr Gogo great positive spin, but you've been on this board a helluva lot longer than I have and this rumor ridden racist shit will never stop. I don't think its been reported (no less than a million times) Peter have been arrested and Passions shut down.

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1451002]You don't even have a clue about cruise ships and their customers habits, Or maybe I'm wrong and like the investigation you can give us the rundown on : How much more will be spent from the Love Boat vs Lovin'Mongers. Go ahead I'm waiting GOPHER.[/QUOTE]Cruise ship passengers are typically not wealthy and enjoy cruises because they are all-inclusive. Add to that the name of the game for cruise ship operators is to fleece their cargo of what spending money they have left via the on-ship bars, casinos, shops, beauty salons, etc. Tickets for day excursions on land are typically sold on board for double the price that they would actually cost if you bought them on land. There is only one thing that they can't offer on board. What could that be?

Can you guess?

No! Cuban cigars! What [red]were[/red] you thinking?

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1451002]You don't even have a clue about cruise ships and their customers habits, Or maybe I'm wrong and like the investigation you can give us the rundown on : How much more will be spent from the Love Boat vs Lovin'Mongers. Go ahead I'm waiting GOPHER.[/QUOTE]Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel

Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.

But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in development.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1450759]I had over 15 women in four days

Chris[/QUOTE]Wow that is quite impressive. Morning, day and night I guess. Your reports as always are very practical and useful, which does not seem to be the direction this thread has been heading for some time. Keep up the great work and fantastic photos. I also enjoyed your Pattaya and Bangkok contributions.

Went for a weekend and stayed at Wilfrieds place Casa Cayana. As always the hospitality is five stars and the breakfast is slammin in the morning. Great location and hope it goes well for my friend. Hooked up with two cuties. Both freaks in the bed but the one with the frizzy hair has a slammin bod. Everyone says its the low season and I really felt like a piece of meat in a croc nest walking down Pedro Cilisante. Ol clasicos is history. Damn shame. I had some good times in that joint. Mr. Gogo and I would have a few drinks next door and in predator mode as the hoochies walked by. Can't say too much else Cris Long pretty much sums it up below.

[QUOTE=Sabor;1451022]Went for a weekend and stayed at Wilfrieds place Casa Cayana. As always the hospitality is five stars and the breakfast is slammin in the morning. Great location and hope it goes well for my friend. Hooked up with two cuties. Both freaks in the bed but the one with the frizzy hair has a slammin bod. Everyone says its the low season and I really felt like a piece of meat in a croc nest walking down Pedro Cilisante. Ol clasicos is history. Damn shame. I had some good times in that joint. Mr. Gogo and I would have a few drinks next door and in predator mode as the hoochies walked by. Can't say too much else Cris Long pretty much sums it up below.[/QUOTE]Suppose to be low season but ng only has rooms in the old section next wk, double beds. The following wk, sold out.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451009]Cruise ship passengers are typically not wealthy and enjoy cruises because they are all-inclusive. Add to that the name of the game for cruise ship operators is to fleece their cargo of what spending money they have left via the on-ship bars, casinos, shops, beauty salons, etc. Tickets for day excursions on land are typically sold on board for double the price that they would actually cost if you bought them on land. There is only one thing that they can't offer on board. What could that be?

Can you guess?

No! Cuban cigars! What [red]were[/red] you thinking?[/QUOTE]I just wanted to hear the Shysters' answer-I've been on cruise ships.the people basically eat-eat-eat. When the people disembark there will be plenty of restaurants and shops all over Puerta Plata for people to go to. Also your right about wealth-most of the people are not wealthy and are not going to travel to Sosua. What attraction is there for them to see? A beach Puerta Plata has beaches too.

You got me with the Cigars-cause you know where my mind was HEADED-HEE-HEE

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[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451009]Cruise ship passengers are typically not wealthy and enjoy cruises because they are all-inclusive. Add to that the name of the game for cruise ship operators is to fleece their cargo of what spending money they have left via the on-ship bars, casinos, shops, beauty salons, etc. Tickets for day excursions on land are typically sold on board for double the price that they would actually cost if you bought them on land. There is only one thing that they can't offer on board. What could that be?

Can you guess?

No! Cuban cigars! What [red]were[/red] you thinking?[/QUOTE]Sorry! Wrong again. Average passengers, married mid 50's income above 75k. 1/5 of passengers stay on ship due to cost of excursions. The 4/5 that do exit are higher income earners in the mid 100k with more disposable income fully partaking of amenities available at port along with thier children adding to revenue. Few men on cruises seek off for p4p. Its matrimonial suicide. FYI.

Once again, monger dollars mean shit to the tax base and local economy in contrast to family tourism. That's a blatant misrepresentation.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1451013]Wow that is quite impressive. Morning, day and night I guess. Your reports as always are very practical and useful, which does not seem to be the direction this thread has been heading for some time. Keep up the great work and fantastic photos. I also enjoyed your Pattaya and Bangkok contributions.[/QUOTE]Ah yes.the strip is still poppin' and the prices seem very reasonable-Good ole' Sosua. Thanks again Chris those pics put a smile on my face.

[QUOTE=Sabor;1451022]Went for a weekend and stayed at Wilfrieds place Casa Cayana. As always the hospitality is five stars and the breakfast is slammin in the morning. Great location and hope it goes well for my friend. Hooked up with two cuties. Both freaks in the bed but the one with the frizzy hair has a slammin bod. Everyone says its the low season and I really felt like a piece of meat in a croc nest walking down Pedro Cilisante. Ol clasicos is history. Damn shame. I had some good times in that joint. Mr. Gogo and I would have a few drinks next door and in predator mode as the hoochies walked by. Can't say too much else Cris Long pretty much sums it up below.[/QUOTE]Ahhh! The good old days. Latinos was the warmup spot while we waited for the Olympic starters to arrive as the arena (Classicos) opened at 11pm. Latinos from 10pm to 11:30pm had a few holdouts making early bids. Latinos was like a track meet as the girls circled the floor. Oh shit! Put the chewing gum away, hide the cigs, tuck the phone. These were props that the chicas zeroed in on to start a conversation and give you the"please fuck me" eyes. Luckily my girl was the bartender so I had an excuse. Latinos had a disco that opened at midnight that was the stop after Classicos and before "After one".

Then we took the stairways to heaven, Classicos. The door opened to reveal another world. The finest girls, this must be heaven. Excuse me I have to go get some more tissue.

What I like about Chris is he is always positive and having fun. Sosua is a great vehicle for it. For the money I am not sure it can be beat. It is custom made for us. I say enjoy and appreciate it. Sure there are other options and I love them to. However if you just want to go bang attractive young women with no ties go to Sosau young man. Passions will be opened or replaced with out a doubt. How they operated for so long is surprising but there scores of casas in SD that have the same business model still running.I have never been able to understand why so many guys are sour about Sosua. I think it does a great job for the average monger. All you need is cash and hard dick. You are in business.

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1451038]Ah yes.the strip is still poppin' and the prices seem very reasonable-Good ole' Sosua. Thanks again Chris those pics put a smile on my face.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1451044]What I like about Chris is he is always positive and having fun. Sosua is a great vehicle for it. For the money I am not sure it can be beat. It is custom made for us. I say enjoy and appreciate it. Sure there are other options and I love them to. However if you just want to go bang attractive young women with no ties go to Sosau young man. Passions will be opened or replaced with out a doubt. How they operated for so long is surprising but there scores of casas in SD that have the same business model still running.I have never been able to understand why so many guys are sour about Sosua. I think it does a great job for the average monger. All you need is cash and hard dick. You are in business.[/QUOTE]Yup. Always has excellent videos as well.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1450983]Finally! Someone making some sense on this board!

Thank you Mr. Gogo.

I know Chris Long has a report and I will be there later in August.[/QUOTE]I just want to say Tom, Gogo, Frannie, Charles and all the Sousa vets I hope you all do not take offense to me talking on the Sousa board every so often. I have not been to Sousa, but I read all your posts. Got much love for your all and all the great information you provide. I am serious it helps me a lot. What got me started is when passion was closed. It is more personally to me in that I have only gone to a few brothels St Theresa and 305 in Santo Domingo and those place those girls played games a little bit by leaving early and the other one put so many restrictions on me I felt I should pay myself to beat off. Then I read your board and I heard people say they complained to peter the next day and he gave them a refund I was like really. That did not happen to me. Finally, overall I agree changes are coming Santo Domingo you need to be smart and safe it is big city and crime rate is up there. It is a city becoming haves and have nots. Honestly, when you think about it if your a police officer and they give you 6, 000 7, 000 pesos a month in salary. I do not blame them for stopping people and asking for some pesos. I would do it. But, everyone wants to be a great country but if your corrupt and you do not give back bad things will happen. Look at Brazil, they want the World Cup and Olympics. They got it, but look what happened people took to the streets all over the country over a 9 cents bus hike. 9 cents. They said enough so they better be careful because people are not stupid. Just like DR you can shut down establishments to get tourism dollars and make a few people rich but you do not give back. A tourist walks off the property and gets robbed and shot by a desperate criminal now people do not want to come. Sorry just my thoughts later.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1451044]I have never been able to understand why so many guys are sour about Sosua . all you need is . hard dick.[/QUOTE]I think you just answered your own question.

I hardly ever go there now, and never to find chicas, but in my earlier years here I was there a lot and knew well many repeat visitors who posted on this and other boards. And I knew at least three who stopped going to Sosua and started dissing it on the boards. The reason was the same in each case. They got infatuated with, and inevitably disappointed by, specific putas. I used to tell them, blame the chicas, or blame yourselves, but don't blame the town because you were easy marks.

Another group is those who used to go to Brazil but cannot afford to go there now. Why blame Sosua because Brazil has progressed economically at a faster rate than they have, and get all bitter about it?

I think you have to have modicum of common sense and a minimum of racial prejudice to get the best out of Sosua.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1451069]I think you just answered your own question.

I hardly ever go there now, and never to find chicas, but in my earlier years here I was there a lot and knew well many repeat visitors who posted on this and other boards. And I knew at least three who stopped going to Sosua and started dissing it on the boards. The reason was the same in each case. They got infatuated with, and inevitably disappointed by, specific putas. I used to tell them, blame the chicas, or blame yourselves, but don't blame the town because you were easy marks.

Another group is those who used to go to Brazil but cannot afford to go there now. Why blame Sosua because Brazil has progressed economically at a faster rate than they have, and get all bitter about it?

I think you have to have modicum of common sense and a minimum of racial prejudice to get the best out of Sosua.[/QUOTE]Charles great post I agree with all your points. The only thing I would say yes Brazil is doing well more expensive, but most people are not getting that benefit who live there. That is why you see the protests now. On your other points I agree it is all about you. You all see my posts I could care less about any crack down. I meet hot chicks in la Sirena. I use to hang out in Rochina so I always wanted the cute good girl from the barrio who had real corazon. So, no effect to me, but I just more concerned about crime going up that is not good for none of us.

This is the most action on the site in a long time. Passions going down is like loosing a friend. This is the party after the funeral. I never used Passions so for me it is no big deal but I still mourn Clasicos. That place was legiondary. I will never see so many 8, 9 10 in one spot. The place never failed to blow my mind. Sadly we never had a funeral because we refused to believe it was gone. I was at a mall today with my boys looking at women. MY boys have been brain washed to only consider the 35 plus girls LOL. So when we saw the hot young ones they pretended they would not bang them. If they only knew. VIVA Sousa

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1451010]Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel

Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.

But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in development[/QUOTE]When I got off the boat in Ocho Rios, Jamaica this billboard was one of the first things I saw. My question to one of the locals was where do I find that? It said NITE club for a reason. As someone else said, by night fall the ships are long gone. Also, if a boat docks in Puerto Plata I can't see people being transported all the way to Sosua. Usually the cruise ship people will stay in the general area and buy some rip off souvenirs for the few hours that they are in port. In Jamaica they built a shopping complex for the sole purpose to rip off tourists. When the girls working in the store told me the price of a pint of liquor was $8 I got smart and went outside to ask a local where the liquor store was. He said to go to the grocery store which was 1 block away. Me and my friends went there and the same damn liquor was $3.

I don't see anything seedy about Sosua in its present form. It is not like you see people fucking in the middle of the street. Hell, half the guys who go there can't find Passions without a motorbike driver. Even if the group did go to Sosua, no cruise tourist is going to go exploring that far down the street. And 2000 cruise ship tourists wandering around Sosua would look like a cluster fuck. Not to mention in a lot of places there will be 2 or 3 other boats docked at the same time. So 6000 tourists tripping over each other in Sosua?

[QUOTE=Chris Long;1450759]. If you are looking to wife up keep a chica over night or a few days or entertain guest you may want something more. Personally when I want to do this I stay at Sosua Suites, what I like about the place is, one its right in the heart of the action and two it's like having your own apartment, separate bedroom, separate kitchen, balcony.[/QUOTE]Would you recommend Rocky's rooms as a good spot for GFE? I got a "girlfriend" who I want to stay with me for a few days on my next trip and I'm looking for a nice alternative to New Garden.

What are the rooms like? Modern or old?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1451099]This is the most action on the site in a long time. Passions going down is like loosing a friend. This is the party after the funeral. I never used Passions so for me it is no big deal but I still mourn Clasicos. That place was legiondary. I will never see so many 8, 9 10 in one spot. The place never failed to blow my mind. Sadly we never had a funeral because we refused to believe it was gone. I was at a mall today with my boys looking at women. MY boys have been brain washed to only consider the 35 plus girls LOL. So when we saw the hot young ones they pretended they would not bang them. If they only knew. VIVA Sousa[/QUOTE]Man I loved hanging out in Winner Circle (when it was the spot) and watching all the girls line up at Classicos.

Passions was always secondary for me but a good bet if I didn't feel like going to the strip

[QUOTE=Revere;1451065]Honestly, when you think about it if your a police officer and they give you 6, 000 7, 000 pesos a month in salary. I do not blame them for stopping people and asking for some pesos. I would do it.[/QUOTE]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1451124]Would you recommend Rocky's rooms as a good spot for GFE? I got a "girlfriend" who I want to stay with me for a few days on my next trip and I'm looking for a nice alternative to New Garden.

What are the rooms like? Modern or old?[/QUOTE]For that you want Mary Rose more exclusive better accomodations.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451145]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.[/QUOTE]Tom, sorry I hit a nerve. I am just telling you from my observation. I do not agree with police shaking people down, but I understand and not surprised. Go to santo domingo, go to some of the hot clubs on Venezuela and you see a lot people with a lot of money with 4 or 5 bottles of black label at there table for the night that is 5, 000 or 6, 000 pesos. Police make 6, 000 to 7, 000 pesos a month. I am not stupid I live in the land of real. Let's talk about the elephant in the room. A lot of drug money in the DR. Let's be honest go to santo domingo a lot of real estate development going on with 2-3% growth rate. Does not make sense from an economic standpoint. Sound familar, it does back in the 80s when miami was booming and the the USA was in a recession. Why was that happening. Drugs. When you have corruption and a lot of drug money bad things will happen. In tthe 80's miami was the murder capital of the USA. Why, corruption and drugs. Should not be that way, but it was because of drugs. Everybody wants there cut. Right now Mitlitary on the streests in the DR because crime is rising. Why is crime rising because drugs and corruption create problems. You think police will be honest when they see everyone on the take. I just hope it does not trend towards mexico. But. 4 police were killed in the last month for there weapons including a police officer who was assigned to protect the presidents daughter. I love the DR, but I am concerned what I saw on my last trip. It was different and I could be wrong on what I feel and see. I hope I am wrong. Again, love the DR and the people hate all the corruption and how drugs can hurt a country.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451145]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.[/QUOTE]Same problem in mexico. The cops were not making enough money, and were not happy just having a job. Last person you wanted to see if you were in trouble was a cop. They raised their salaries, and police corruption went down.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451145]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.[/QUOTE]Police in Mexico earn an average of about US$350 per month, but the constitution separates police officers from other public servants, meaning they do not qualify for the standard minimum wage and the 40-hour weekly work limit. For some reason many police officers in Mexico prefer to accept bribes, mostly from organized crime than lay their lives on the line fighting armed gangsters. Cowards!

The starting pay for police in the DR is about US$150 per month. However due to the low cost of living in the Dominican Republic a family of 4 can live quite comfortably on this amount and send a tithe of 10% of its income to feed hungry children in the US as well.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1451010]Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel

Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.

But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in development[/QUOTE]Now remember that Sosua will not even be close to the port of entry.

[url]www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/10/caribbean_cruises_leave_wave_o.html[/url]

This is the clientele from cruise ships most of the time. Of course people all have their hopes set high. Check out the facts concerning helping the local economies.

Remember too CARNIVAL WILL HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF THE PASSENGERS its all their $$$$$$$$$$$$ being spent to build the port.


www.goldenkeymanagement.com/blogengine.net/post/2011/09/03/Carnival-Cruise-Lines-will-Invest-US$-65mm-in-Puerto-Plata`s-new-cruise-ship-terminal.aspx

[QUOTE=Revere;1451186]A lot of drug money in the DR. Let's be honest go to santo domingo a lot of real estate development going on with 2-3% growth rate. Does not make sense from an economic standpoint. Sound familar, it does back in the 80s when miami was booming and the the USA was in a recession. Why was that happening. Drugs. When you have corruption and a lot of drug money bad things will happen. In tthe 80's miami was the murder capital of the USA. Why, corruption and drugs.[/QUOTE]If anyone wants a point of reference to what Revere is talking about (the Miami drug scene in the 80's), check out the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys":

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD2JMs5xnTw[/url]

Revere: I am interested in knowing why you feel that the drug scene is picking up in the DR. I'm assuming the DR is used as a hub to get drugs into America, but I don't see it being easier than a group of illegals just casually strolling across the Southern Border with bags full of this stuff (we all know there ain't shit being done to control the border with Mexico. No one wants their stream of cheap labor drying to a trickle).

The last few times I was in Medellin I have seen apartments and buildings being thrown up left and right. But I believe this is due to more FDI (Foreign Direct Investment; foreigners feeling more comfortable about investing there) than the drug game (which still has a very large presence in Medellin).

We can continue this discussion in Gogo's forum if you'd like.

[QUOTE=Revere;1451186]Police make 6, 000 to 7, 000 pesos a month.[/QUOTE]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451277]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.[/QUOTE]How is it hard for you to believe? What is this person's rank on the police force? It's kinda hard for me to believe that you yourself fresh out of the Naval Academy was making the same amount of money as an O-6 was.

To put things even more in perspective, being stationed in Hawaii I was making almost triple the amount of the same person stationed in Norfolk, VA. The cop in Montellano is probably not making the same as the cop in Puta Cana. In fact, the Punta Cana gig is probably considered a plush assignment given to those who have been on the force for a while or as part of a promotion (like a Houston cop getting transferred to the Woodlands after spending many years on the beat in 5th Ward).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451277]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.[/QUOTE]Sadly its true. The starting salary of a policia nacional is roughly 6000 pesos a month. I am a Dominican American and have friends that are cops. I've been stopped on the roads before and when they see my pissed off face they already know I know the game. Twice before I've been stopped where a cop cut thru the bs and straight out asked me for money cause he can barely feed his family. I'm more than willing to help anyone who is straightforward with me than one that beats around the Bush when everyone knows its just money they want.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451277]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.[/QUOTE]Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url]

they work 6 days a week less then 7000 pesos a month. their lives are a constant struggle. they have to buy food, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] and rent. it is a very sad existence. the police lower ranks are not paid well. when the chance to make some extra it is hard to blame them. we have no clue how hard or desperatre their lives are. telling a man who is bare footed to pull his self by his boot straps is a fruitless thing.

[quote=frannie; 1451303]privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the policia national make $153 us dollars a month. no doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451303]Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url][/QUOTE]I believe that unskilled workers earn anywhere between 1500 & 7000 DOP a month depending on size of company and industry type. We pay general laborers 125 DOP a day to help clear debris and shovel with hundreds a week begging for work at main office. Lot of Middle management in DR are imported Puerto Ricans due to the poor educational system. Lots of graduates are forced to find work as cashiers and other low skilled jobs due to lack of compency. The ones that flourish in S. T. E. M. Fields make equivalent small city American dollars. There is a large income disparity between have and have nots.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451303]Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks Frannie. That article really put things in perspective for me. Guys are going around giving putas half that for a couple of hours. After reading that, my short time rate just went to from 700 to 500 and my long time from 1000 to 800. Knowledge is power.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1451121]When I got off the boat in Ocho Rios, Jamaica this billboard was one of the first things I saw. My question to one of the locals was where do I find that? It said NITE club for a reason. As someone else said, by night fall the ships are long gone. Also, if a boat docks in Puerto Plata I can't see people being transported all the way to Sosua. Usually the cruise ship people will stay in the general area and buy some rip off souvenirs for the few hours that they are in port. In Jamaica they built a shopping complex for the sole purpose to rip off tourists. When the girls working in the store told me the price of a pint of liquor was $8 I got smart and went outside to ask a local where the liquor store was. He said to go to the grocery store which was 1 block away. Me and my friends went there and the same damn liquor was $3.

I don't see anything seedy about Sosua in its present form. It is not like you see people fucking in the middle of the street. Hell, half the guys who go there can't find Passions without a motorbike driver. Even if the group did go to Sosua, no cruise tourist is going to go exploring that far down the street. And 2000 cruise ship tourists wandering around Sosua would look like a cluster fuck. Not to mention in a lot of places there will be 2 or 3 other boats docked at the same time. So 6000 tourists tripping over each other in Sosua?[/QUOTE]Agree, the key is overt establishment advertising sex or implied. Sousa is a good amentity due to the diving, fishing and relatively quite beach in a short bus ride. Night time is night time. It has no affect on the boats but does on those with holiday homes along the path in and out.

The best time I had in sosewer was my second. We rented two holiday homes about 5 miles out with a shared pool. It was drink up and restock at classicos for the next day. We were totally disgusted by Classicos but had no problem with the multitude of freelancers available for TLN at half the price. There was one sexy Haitiana that cooked, cleaned and fvched the remaining 4 days. We were arguing on who was going to take her back as maid or Fiance; then the Brugal wore off never to voluntarily return.

IMO: This is an independent contractor sport. I go to a casa for the thrill of the lineup but at the end of the day its more fun to stalk a SW or a play "Shy Guy" with a Puta at the bar. From a policy standpoint, I would rather see the closing of all the working girl / massage houses, enactment of Puta free zones by time and proximity to tourism and less SW raids save for random ID checks. If a bar or hotel wants to allow independent contractors on property, so be it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451343]Thanks Frannie. That article really put things in perspective for me. Guys are going around giving putas half that for a couple of hours. After reading that, my short time rate just went to from 700 to 500 and my long time from 1000 to 800. Knowledge is power.[/QUOTE]Just like pro athletes can't relate to the ave guy, many of us cannot relate to poor people, and what they go through on a daily basis.

Recent did a otc with a stripper. She's 28, single mom. 3rd grade daughter. When I dropped her home, she's living in a motel, paying over 1000 month for a piece of crap room. Probably can't do an apt that would be cheaper and nicer, cause no down payment, and no pay stub to get approved. Last sat, she made 3 bucks,

This is nothing compared to what some of these people in the dr and other countries do to make it. We should not judge till we spend a day in their shoes.

I've read that during the Passions raid the owners were arrested and the girls "freed" Has any one heard if any Mongers were arrested? Or held for more than a day? I've got a trip in 2 weeks and wanted some intel.

It gets under my skin when I see guys who assume DR people are stupid or lazy. I have known regular DR folk. They are the hardest working people I have ever seen. Even the working girls when you get to know them are not bad people. Most are mothers and the bread winners in their families. There are very few jobs so most folk find something they can sell so they can make a few bucks. When you drive in SD on the busy highways you see scores of people selling every thing under the sun to folk stuck in traffic. They make less a day then our pocket change but they go out everyday and try. Sometimes our arrogance make Marie Antionette look like St Francis. Sleeping with some of you clowns is a very hard job no doubt.

[QUOTE=Ricardo Torres;1451365]Very well expressed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1451359]Just like pro athletes can't relate to the ave guy, many of us cannot relate to poor people, and what they go through on a daily basis.

Recent did a otc with a stripper. She's 28, single mom. 3rd grade daughter.[/QUOTE]What do you mean? Many pro athletes came from poor to average backgrounds, so I am sure that they can relate. Look at all the Dominican and Cuban guys in Major League Baseball. Me, I was born in the Carver Homes projects in Atlanta, so I do know about being poor. I went to college on a Navy scholarship and my ROTC stipend was only $100/month. So there were times when I had to eat ketchup packs for dinner if I missed that meal at the cafeteria for whatever reason.

But what I see here is that guys holler poor people, and what are they doing about it? Giving women money IF they fuck them. They are glad to help out the women who will give them some pussy, but besides that it's oh fucking well, ain't my business. The DR is more than just a country of poor women. What about the poor men? I don't see anybody here proud of how they are helping the poor daddys out. And believe you me, I do help the poor out, but it is not by means of giving women money just because I fucked them.

Yesterday when I got off at my exit there was a woman with a sign asking for money. The guy in the car directly in front of me picked the woman up and drove her to the grocery store that is across the street. On the other hand, most guys here would have picked her up and driven to a motel, then given her money for sex "because she was poor."

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOPPjDUV1lo[/url]

Other convos around ISG:

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1450552]Didn't you notice:

* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.

* Only tourists give them money.

* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF) [/QUOTE][QUOTE=HenryV; 1451030]Funniest thing. For years I use to stay at the Rajai Hotel on Osmena Circle. Every time I came the same lady was out there with a baby. I start noticing that, over the years, the baby never grew.

Will sometimes buy kids food.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1451382]Your reference to the lady with the fake baby is similar to the pro athlete that does get it. Theres exceptions to every rule. How many times do you hear a pro athlete holding out for, that extra million saying hes trying to put food on his familys table. Reggie white, a great player, and, an even better person, said god told him to go to green bay. Just happened to be the same place that was offering the most cash.[/QUOTE]You know what they say,"The more you make, the more you spend." A mf without a TV don't have to worry about paying a cable bill. A mf without a car don't have to worry about insurance, maintenance, or gasoline.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451401]You know what they say,"The more you make, the more you spend." A mf without a TV don't have to worry about paying a cable bill. A mf without a car don't have to worry about insurance, maintenance, or gasoline.[/QUOTE]So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1451037]Once again, monger dollars mean shit to the tax base and local economy in contrast to family tourism. That's a blatant misrepresentation.[/QUOTE]This may be true I can't comment on that, but you need to have the infrastructure in place to relieve the family tourists of their cash, also need that to bring them to the location in the first place. Quality, no run down, hotels (not for cruise ship but others) , classy restaurants, casinos, entertainment centres, safe roads / environment with reliable policing and trained staff to server them. North coast of DR just doesn't cut it right now. Getting rid of chicas is not going to make much difference in the absence of the above, just makes monger dollar disappear too! (Although the authorities have this as their excuse for their failures.)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451378]But what I see here is that guys holler poor people, and what are they doing about it? Giving women money IF they fuck them. They are glad to help out the women who will give them some pussy, but besides that it's oh fucking well, ain't my business. The DR is more than just a country of poor women. What about the poor men? I don't see anybody here proud of how they are helping the poor daddys out. And believe you me, I do help the poor out, but it is not by means of giving women money just because I fucked them.[/QUOTE]We know these types of guys. They think the little handouts they give, or "helping" women they are fucking suddenly makes them an international humanitarian. The main ones they are helping, are women giving them some pussy. Anything else they do are just random handouts. And I will be the 1st to admit, I do give more to women than to anyone else in the DR because of the pussy. However, I aint walking around blabbing as if all dominicans are poor, or all dominicans work hard. And I don't roll as if I'm supposed to supplement every poor dominican I meet.

It's amazing how certain individuals ignore the enormous examples of dominicans who have no ambition, are lazy, and are making babies they know it will be hard to take care of. If anybody is contributing to their hard times. It's their own fault, and those that condone it by not protecting the young. That goes for the women as well as the men. Somehow they don't see those dominicans. Unbeknownst to some or those in denial, scamming, conning, being an opportunist, using various tactics to get sympathy from people they target (towards obtaining hassle free benefits ). Is a full time occupation all over the DR. All over the world for that matter. Many so called poor dominicans (poor by who's standards?) are content or have no major problem with how they get by from day to day. To have people come around feeling sorry for them without understanding their mindset and circumstances, is an asset to them.

""""""Shit. I don't have to do anything. All I have to do is let some stupid gringo come to my casa, and the sympathy and money starts flowing." "Of course they aint paying attention to details.....how I dress, my high heels, my hair, my nails, my BB phone, my laptop, my victoria secrets, my perfume, the fact that he only feels sorry for me because I'm a woman with a pussy and not a dick. Etc. Thats because. Mi papi es mucho horny" "papi you call me please, yo no tengo credito" """"mi______________es enferma papi, necesita medicine / doctor."""

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1451572]We know these types of guys. They think the little handouts they give, or "helping" women they are fucking suddenly makes them an international humanitarian. The main ones they are helping, are women giving them some pussy. Anything else they do are just random handouts. And I will be the 1st to admit, I do give more to women than to anyone else in the DR because of the pussy.[/QUOTE]I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.

However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.

Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451599]I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.

However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.

Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.[/QUOTE]So yesterday when a Facebook chica writes to me that she has nothing to eat for her kid and herself, I go to my near empty fridg and cut half a frozen chicken, some rice, ect. For a soup. I've seen the goat hovels where these chicas live, and it's poor and it ain't pretty. No small wonder the kids are always sick. Cut the chicas some slack, they're not selling pussy because they're top shelf at WalMart. It's all they got in most cases. You can find all kinds of reasons to berate these people, but they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], shit, breath the same air as I do. Put just about any random chico on a boat to New York and he'll be working two jobs to send money back home to his family. School is starting in a few weeks, many of these poor mothers are worried sick about notebooks, and the standard school uniforms for their kids. Some won't go to school because they are too poor to buy $20 bucks of school essentials. Ugly Americans go home,

[QUOTE=Llttf;1451449]So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.[/QUOTE]Not that the DR doesn't have its share of corruption, crime, education, infrastructure issues, etc, but I think the biggest problem in the DR is the same problem we have in certain communities in America: young girls having babies out of wedlock and the fathers not helping to raise those kids. Americans are not strangers to this. In fact, I know a couple of American 30 year olds living in Sosua who have multiple kids back home in the states.

Young teens having kids with no father leads to less education and less opportunities for those young mothers, coupled with the fact that the DR is a mucho oriented society where women are underrepresented in positions of power.

Awhile back, I had the crazy notion that things in Sosua might change just by virtue that the Mayor is now a female. I thought about how Rio changed under a female president in Brazil (changes which began under a male president).

[QUOTE=Llttf;1451449]So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.[/QUOTE]Really? Well I don't know about you or the other posters BUT I earned every pennie I got and it wasn't easy at all. Maybe your $$ was given to you mine wasn't.

I know plenty of hard working Dominicans who have a nice life and make a fine living BECAUSE they earned it. Only see Dominicans complaining where the tourist are about their tough life. Never had anyone outside the bar areas ever ask for a PESO.

And I don't get suckered into text messages or stories about their "so called" problems and need for $$.

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1451630]Really? Well I don't know about you or the other posters BUT I earned every pennie I got and it wasn't easy at all. Maybe your $$ was given to you mine wasn't.

I know plenty of hard working Dominicans who have a nice life and make a fine living BECAUSE they earned it. Only see Dominicans complaining where the tourist are about their tough life. Never had anyone outside the bar areas ever ask for a PESO.

And I don't get suckered into text messages or stories about their "so called" problems and need for $$.[/QUOTE]I think most of us on this board are living off money we earned and saved, and not from trust funds or inheritances. I have no idea how you made your money and, yes, maybe it was very hard and you made great sacrifices, but the differential is not always simply related to hard work (even though it may have been so in your case). For example a high school teacher in the US earns an average of over $4000 per month (various a lot between high and low income states) , and yet the basic pay for Dominican government teachers in March. 2013 was $219 per month, a difference of about 20 times, and yet the difference is not related to how hard the work is, but to accidents like where your mother was when you were born and what currency you are paid in.

Also if you are born in the USA or the UK, if you just work for 35 years you will receive a pension or social security monthly stipend which will probably be more pe rmonth than the average doctor or dentist earns in the DR.

I am sure there are Dominicans you know, mostly in business surely, (because who else makes any real money?) who have made a fine living, but it would not be possible for the whole population to do the same, because the population will still need teachers, police, doctors, nurses, etc. And the economy would not support paying them all a fine living. After all many people can't make a fine living in the US either.

I don't know what country you are from, but did you know that in the USA 47, 661, 353 people are on food stamps (SNAP) this month, that is almost one person in every six in the WHOLE POPULATION. What would happen if that program was discontinued tomorrow? Would there be more people begging, do you think? Would those 47 million people all take to Facebook?

From today's Sosua News:

It is low season in Sosúa and that shows. During the day on the beach there are almost no tourists. Only in the weekend it is busy but it are mostly Dominican visitors from Santiago, La Vega and Puerto Plata. Also 'mi gente' (own people) from Santo Domingo come over for the weekend to enjoy a few days at the resort Casa Marina. Yet it is in the main street Pedro Clisante still busy every evening, for example the Rumba Bar and Willy's Bar are still popular entertainment places at night. Especially tourists from the USA are apparently the majority of the guests.

Many smaller bars have to close their doors temporarily. 'Winner's Circle Bar' opposite the merenguebar has temporarily closed its doors. Also 'City Lights' after the reopening which was unsuccessful (due to heavy rains the reopening was a dissapointment) again indefinitely closed its doors. Moreover, the 'Happy Bar' opposite PJ's restaurant, formerly so popular with Dominican music and dance lovers, provisionally maintains close after a little remodeling. We have to wait until October, as tourism picks up again. Sosúa is definitely ready, that's for sure!

Many pope can do this and get aay with it. And she was a poverty statistic.

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This site has great info from all over the world not just western propaganda reports

Statistics fit slanted views and can be manipulated as such

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451599]I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.

However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.

Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.[/QUOTE]The difference is this. In the 1st example you presupposed that the money used to purchase goods and services was earned. You didn't have to say they were working, it's kinda understood.

Whereas the 2nd example, you are talking about a chica that was GIVEN money. In other words she didn't earn it. Thats apples and oranges.

Moreover you have also presupposed the mans intent of giving money towards buying school supplies. Thats cool, however. A mans intent, and what the chica actually spends the money on, are two different perspectives. Even if the chica tells you the money is for school supplies, that doesn't mean thats what YOUR money was spent on. Enough chicas have a way of getting money from guys deceptively, and then when it's time to show the goods, they show you something they already had (already had the books or got some other dude she was fucking to give her money to buy the books ). Meanwhile she's bought a bunch of shit you did not intend for her to buy. How many examples have we read or heard about of chicas telling the same tale of woe to several guys at the same time? Just how many damn books does the child need in a semester?

One better intellectualize these things, or else they will be fooling themselves over that fuzzy feeling they derived from thinking they helped a kid with school.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1451717]Moreover you have also presupposed the mans intent of giving money towards buying school supplies. Thats cool, however. A mans intent, and what the chica actually spends the money on, are two different perspectives. Even if the chica tells you the money is for school supplies, that doesn't mean thats what YOUR money was spent on. Enough chicas have a way of getting money from guys deceptively, and then when it's time to show the goods, they show you something they already had (already had the books or got some other dude she was fucking to give her money to buy the books ). Meanwhile she's bought a bunch of shit you did not intend for her to buy. How many examples have we read or heard about of chicas telling the same tale of woe to several guys at the same time? Just how many damn books does the child need in a semester?

One better intellectualize these things, or else they will be fooling themselves over that fuzzy feeling they derived from thinking they helped a kid with school.[/QUOTE]Here's a list of typical school supplies, however it does not include uniforms. Usually there will be a main uniform plus a sports uniform, plus shoes, sports shoes, mochilla, lunchbox, etc.

[url]http://www.santiagochristianschool.org/SCS[/url]%20School%20Supply%20Packets%20Flyer. Pdf.

Obviously one can get the list from the chica and go with her to make the purchases. Obviously this only applies if you have an ongoing relationship with the chica and the child and would not apply to short time sexual trysts.

There is always some risk of being ripped off. For example you can give money to charities in the US that spend 90% of the money on fundraising expenses. About 30 years ago I was dating a women who "tithed" 10% of her substantial salary to an AME Church. The pastor made frequent trips to Haiti to do missionary work. Unfortunately while he was there doing good works, he was infected with AIDS and died about 2 years later. So you never really know.

Someone Western Union some of these folks:

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-4-5-us-face-175906005.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1451705]47 mill. On food stamps-how much is fraud?[/QUOTE]I understand the fraud rate has been cut down a lot since the switch to electronic cards for making food stamps payments. The most common form of fraud is so-called "trafficking" which is exchanging food for cash or other goods. This usually requires a crooked store to do this, and the rate is now estimated at about 1%.

[QUOTE]Many people collecting unemployment working "off the books" and getting food stamps.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that able-bodied adults without dependents may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period,

[QUOTE]read about shipping basically stolen food.[/QUOTE]I read about this. Is it a crime to donate food bought with food stamps to poor people overseas? Maybe.

[QUOTE]Free housing-food-medical-all utilities paid for-free cell phones-add it all up-POVERTY YEAH RiGHT[/QUOTE]But people are not getting all this in the DR, but they are still surviving! Should people in the DR be sending money to help the poor in the US? I know a Russian woman who came to the US with her family from Moscow when she was 15. She said that sometimes the children had to take money to school in Moscow to send to help poor American children who were not so fortunate.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451739]Someone Western Union some of these folks:

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-4-5-us-face-175906005.html[/url][/QUOTE]Do you think I am going to blindly go with an article taht gives no figures on how they came about the statistics they are showing. AP exclusive-yea sure-who conducted the survey. And I love the timing-Just when congress is tryin' to eliminate and cut this article comes out. Not to much propaganda is it. God what sheep people are. Totally amazing. Don't look at the fraud in the Gov't programs just look at stupid statistics from a survey that has no proof of who did it and what the control group was or the parameters.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451751]I understand the fraud rate has been cut down a lot since the switch to electronic cards for making food stamps payments. The most common form of fraud is so-called "trafficking" which is exchanging food for cash or other goods. This usually requires a crooked store to do this, and the rate is now estimated at about 1.

My understanding is that able-bodied adults without dependents may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period,

I read about this. Is it a crime to donate food bought with food stamps to poor people overseas? Maybe.

But people are not getting all this in the DR, but they are still surviving! Should people in the DR be sending money to help the poor in the US? I know a Russian woman who came to the US with her family from Moscow when she was 15. She said that sometimes the children had to take money to school in Moscow to send to help poor American children who were not so fortunate.[/QUOTE]The food they are sending is food they obtained "NOT BUY PURCHASING WITH MONEY BUT FROM FOOD STAMPS". Did you read where they are selling it for MONEY in Santiago not to feed the poor. Guess you missed that huh?

How about working "off the books" you don't address that? Did you read the article about the lady who got MILLIONS from IRS and was on food stamps.

Look my point is simple Statistics that are thrown around to support one side of a debate or another. The business I'm in I can tell you from personal experience.not some statistic or article. The system is FULL of FRAUD especially welfare, social security meaning disability especially. Middle class America just like middle class dominicans work hard. In the USA government free-be programs are destroying the country. Like I said I know from first-hand experience not articles or surveys.

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These people are considered living in POVERTY-------SCUMBAGS is what they are I don't care who they are sending it to. They are thieves.

Any recent trip reports? The last several posts are just arguments which one can take over the General Info section.

Since Passions has closed (whether it is temporary or not) , what is the scene like in Sosua? I have read there have been a couple hot spots that have closed now in recent months, have the quantity / quality of girls disappeared with that as well? I'm assuming (and hoping) not much has changed so I can enjoy my first trip to DR.

Can anyone suggest good places to find chicas during the day / afternoon? Is it pretty much just walking down the strip and into a bar hopping until you find the chica that you wish to take back to your room?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1451757]The food they are sending is food they obtained "NOT BUY PURCHASING WITH MONEY BUT FROM FOOD STAMPS". Did you read where they are selling it for MONEY in Santiago not to feed the poor. Guess you missed that huh?[/QUOTE]My impression was that people were gifting the barrels to relatives, and that some of the relatives were selling the stuff they didn't want for themselves overseas. I didn't read that they were repatriating the funds to the food stamps recipients.

It seems like a pretty pointless scam. You spend $40 on a barrel and then pay another $70 or more I think to ship it to someone who sells the stuff for a fraction under the store prices in the DR. The food stamps recipients would be better off eating the food themselves, saving cash to send to the relatives and saving on the cost of the barrel and the shipping.

I live in Haiti and the foods here are just as good as in the states. The problem with our government's immigration laws are the way they select the people who get visas. The Haitian gets his visa, he goes to the USA lives a while, then returns to Haiti and gets members of his family visas with little efforts. Our government allows Haitians to interview potential visa applicants instead of American personnel. I have an American friend that has a Haitian wife and he had more trouble getting her visa than the guy that is not even American. Americans need to interview these people and not Haitians who let their friends through easy while blocking people they know nothing about.

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1451764]Go to this site. Statistics somebody is lying some where when they apply.

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THAT ELECTRONIC TRANSFER SYSTEM REALLY CUT DOWN ON FRAUD

These people are considered living in POVERTY-SCUMBAGS is what they are I don't care who they are sending it to. They are thieves.[/QUOTE]

My favorita Perla, thanks for the old memories. Thanks for the pics Tomjackin, Savepros, Sabor and Mr long. Trip reports and pics are surely missed. Frannie have you ever posted pics or a trip report? But thanks for the on-scene reporting. Sir Charles, Revere, Orgasmico, Mr E and the rest of the guys, thanks for the past pics.

Coolie we miss your reports bro. BBL just arrived in SD look for his reports in the Gogo forum.

How about some photos?

[QUOTE=BadBear2000; 1451812]I live in Haiti and the foods here are just as good as in the states. The problem with our government's immigration laws are the way they select the people who get visas. The Haitian gets his visa, he goes to the USA lives a while, then returns to Haiti and gets members of his family visas with little efforts. Our government allows Haitians to interview potential visa applicants instead of American personnel. I have an American friend that has a Haitian wife and he had more trouble getting her visa than the guy that is not even American. Americans need to interview these people and not Haitians who let their friends through easy while blocking people they know nothing about. [/QUOTE]After a Haitian starts the process of going to the USA how long does it usually take for them to get there visa.

Is Cap Haitien the town where Haitians go to renew there visa for the DR?

How long after arriving at the destination does it take a Haitian national to pay the 200 dollars and the officals to give them there papers to be legal in the DR?

Thanks for the post

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1451789]I'm glad you get it Tijuana. The more that guy opens his mouth, the more people realize what a fraudulent poster he is. Of course he has no trip reports or photos, let alone a passport.

Let's help him out. &62990; &62711; [/QUOTE]#3 in all white is Phanie! She's fat as a pig now! But she has good head game, but I wouldn't fuck her now!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1451659]From today's Sosua News:

It is low season in Sosúa and that shows. During the day on the beach there are almost no tourists. Only in the weekend it is busy but it are mostly Dominican visitors from Santiago, La Vega and Puerto Plata. Also 'mi gente' (own people) from Santo Domingo come over for the weekend to enjoy a few days at the resort Casa Marina. Yet it is in the main street Pedro Clisante still busy every evening, for example the Rumba Bar and Willy's Bar are still popular entertainment places at night. Especially tourists from the USA are apparently the majority of the guests.

Many smaller bars have to close their doors temporarily. 'Winner's Circle Bar' opposite the merenguebar has temporarily closed its doors. Also 'City Lights' after the reopening which was unsuccessful (due to heavy rains the reopening was a dissapointment) again indefinitely closed its doors. Moreover, the 'Happy Bar' opposite PJ's restaurant, formerly so popular with Dominican music and dance lovers, provisionally maintains close after a little remodeling. We have to wait until October, as tourism picks up again. Sosúa is definitely ready, that's for sure![/QUOTE]I had hotel workers in Sosua tell me that tip's were low because all the tourist were local people from the DR

[QUOTE=Grub1;1451876]I had hotel workers in Sosua tell me that tip's were low because all the tourist were local people from the DR[/QUOTE]I had a couple chicas that I was regular with handle the drinking money and it saved me mucho dinero (money). I would let her handle the propinas and they had no shame about leaving minimum tips. Whereas I would spend 60usd drinking and tipping a night in Sosua by myself, I would give my girl 50usd and we would bar hop all night in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1451813]My favorita Perla, thanks for the old memories.[/QUOTE]Nice pics. I can tell by that smile she likes to have fun!

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1451813]Frannie have you ever posted pics or a trip report? But thanks for the on-scene reporting.[/QUOTE]There is a thread called Photo Gallery for posting pictures. Why don't people use it if they want to post pictures? What is the point of posting picture of scantly clad or naked women unless there is also some narrative or discussion about why that woman is having her picture posted? How many of these women actually ask to have their pictures taken and posted on the Internet? They sure don't ask me to do it. As for pictures of Sosua, you can just go to Google images and see thousands if you really want. Also see YouTube.

I did post some photographs a while back, but I am no photography enthusiast, so why not leave it to those who have that hobby. Here is one photo I took.

What is the purpose of posting trip reports? Surely either to give an update on what visitors might experience at this moment in time, or to give a new perspective from the point of view of someone who has not been to Sosua before, with particular emphasis on providing information for newbies. The information I post is based on my first hand observations of Sosua, and I post links to source materials when available so that people can verify the facts for themselves.

I get loads of private messages from lurkers who never post here, asking for more detailed information, and occasionally I meet them when they come to the DR, so even if a lot of what I write is boring for old stagers who have been to Sosua lots of times and know it all, it is still of interest to some people. The old stagers are not my target audience.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1451778]Since Passions has closed (whether it is temporary or not) , what is the scene like in Sosua? I have read there have been a couple hot spots that have closed now in recent months, have the quantity / quality of girls disappeared with that as well? I'm assuming (and hoping) not much has changed so I can enjoy my first trip to DR.

Can anyone suggest good places to find chicas during the day / afternoon? Is it pretty much just walking down the strip and into a bar hopping until you find the chica that you wish to take back to your room?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I toured the town on Saturday from 12:00 pm to 1:00 pm and it was very, very quiet. I did not see any hookers in any of the bars or on the street, and on the beach only saw one elderly retired (I hope!) hooker who is working at a restaurant and another whom I knew from several years ago (intervening years had not been kind to her) who approached me and suggested sexual intercourse, which I declined. Now that the massage places and Passions are closed the prostitution scene has moved to the bars on the central 2 blocks, Latino's, Rumba, El Toro, El Flow, Central Hotel, Meringue bar (very quiet now) and is pretty active from sundown until late. CMP Night club is still open in the afternoons.

From the point of view of the "civilian" tourist, you could have walked around on Saturday and never known that Sosua has a reputation for prostitution.

If you want chicas for the day and afternoon, the easiest thing to do would be to take names and numbers at night and make dates for the following day.

I think you will still enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1452018]There is a thread called Photo Gallery for posting pictures. Why don't people use it if they want to post pictures? What is the point of posting picture of scantly clad or naked women unless there is also some narrative or discussion about why that woman is having her picture posted? How many of these women actually ask to have their pictures taken and posted on the Internet? They sure don't ask me to do it. As for pictures of Sosua, you can just go to Google images and see thousands if you really want. Also see YouTube.

I did post some photographs a while back, but I am no photography enthusiast, so why not leave it to those who have that hobby. Here is one photo I took.

What is the purpose of posting trip reports? Surely either to give an update on what visitors might experience at this moment in time, or to give a new perspective from the point of view of someone who has not been to Sosua before, with particular emphasis on providing information for newbies. The information I post is based on my first hand observations of Sosua, and I post links to source materials when available so that people can verify the facts for themselves...[/QUOTE]All pictures in reports are also posted in the photo gallery Frannie. Also why do you need a long report about a picture? Most guys I know like to look at pretty girls. My problem is that everything you say has to lead to some drawn out debate usually not related to pussy or girls. I'm sure you still look at the pictures that so offend you. I'm open minded enough to accept others opinions and advice. No argument here Sir you have been here way longer than me, but I find it strange when someone resides in the land of pussy and posts on a sex blog but always wants to debate off topic.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1452021]I toured the town on Saturday from 12:00 pm to 1:00 pm and it was very, very quiet. I did not see any hookers in any of the bars or on the street, and on the beach only saw one elderly retired (I hope!) hooker who is working at a restaurant and another whom I knew from several years ago (intervening years had not been kind to her) who approached me and suggested sexual intercourse, which I declined. Now that the massage places and Passions are closed the prostitution scene has moved to the bars on the central 2 blocks, Latino's, Rumba, El Toro, El Flow, Central Hotel, Meringue bar (very quiet now) and is pretty active from sundown until late. CMP Night club is still open in the afternoons.

From the point of view of the "civilian" tourist, you could have walked around on Saturday and never known that Sosua has a reputation for prostitution.

If you want chicas for the day and afternoon, the easiest thing to do would be to take names and numbers at night and make dates for the following day.

I think you will still enjoy your trip.[/QUOTE]Any news of the 32 Passion's girls freed from their poor condition by the police?

[QUOTE=Niceb;1452042]Any news of the 32 Passion's girls freed from their poor condition by the police?[/QUOTE]No, the residential building at Passions is clearly shut down and there is no sign of life there. I had wondered whether the prepared pay packets found by police were distributed to the girls whose names were on them or held as evidence. I imagine most of them went home to where they came from if they could beg, steal, or borrow the fare. The press releases did not address the matter. Maybe a few found other lodgings and are still freelancing in Sosua, I don't know.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1451975]Missed last wks flight. Todays flight cancelled. Now looking at next wk.

Ng is booked. Casa cayena may be too. Looking for a single room, a / see, near the action. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]This hotel is my adress in Sosua. AC. 40 $, Wi-fi (only reachable outside the room, too bad.) , restaurant, near the action. info@hotel-don-antonio.com.

Or much cheaper, Hotel Orchidee, ben_coool@yahoo.com. Only rocky's are closer to the action but I've never been there.

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1451606]So yesterday when a Facebook chica writes to me that she has nothing to eat for her kid and herself, I go to my near empty fridg and cut half a frozen chicken, some rice, ect. For a soup. I've seen the goat hovels where these chicas live, and it's poor and it ain't pretty. No small wonder the kids are always sick. Cut the chicas some slack, they're not selling pussy because they're top shelf at WalMart. It's all they got in most cases. You can find all kinds of reasons to berate these people, but they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], shit, breath the same air as I do. Put just about any random chico on a boat to New York and he'll be working two jobs to send money back home to his family. School is starting in a few weeks, many of these poor mothers are worried sick about notebooks, and the standard school uniforms for their kids. Some won't go to school because they are too poor to buy $20 bucks of school essentials. Ugly Americans go home,[/QUOTE]Have you ever stopped to think about the fact that these poor chicas are mainly in contact with foreign men? Why is it nobody else around them is as as concerned or feeling sorry for them as you? Maybe it's because others know something you don't know. The things you don't see.

You talk to the average chica you are claiming is poor. She may have 1 to 5 kids and in most cases with different DR men. Most of those situations are probably children born OOW. In most cases those men are not supporting their kids now. And even though they arent supporting the kids, somehow the mothers and their children are living day to day. He ends up not being concerned and only looking out for himself. Lets say a few million dominican men fit that criterior. I'll bet if you bring those millions to NY like you suggested, it's likely not one of them will be sending any money back to their families. They already abandoned them. You think they are suddenly going to care what is going on back in the DR, and start sending money? Here is something else to consider, maybe a million of those men are already here in the states. Not supporting their kids, here in the states and back home. I'm not saying they represent how most DR men handle their business. But the numbers of children already not being supported shows what those mens character is. Further, how about those poor women being the major co-factor for their predicament? Having children by men who won't support their children. Under those circumstances, maybe poor women should be allowed to endure some suffrage. It just might help in being a deterrent for other women. Especially if they don't luck up finding some foreign man to feel sorry for them. But as long as poor women have men (not DR men) feeling sorry for them, the women are going to continue bringing children into the world under fucked up circumstances.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1452210]Have you ever stopped to think about the fact that these poor chicas are mainly in contact with foreign men? Why is it nobody else around them is as as concerned or feeling sorry for them as you? Maybe it's because others know something you don't know. The things you don't see.[/QUOTE]Because foreign men are suckers for pussy and throw in a sob story to boot. You have to market to your target audience. How would Craftsman look putting toolbox commercials on during soap operas? Like some damn idiots because the chicks who watch soap operas ain't running out to buy toolboxes. The same way Dominicans aren't trying to hear the sob stories. So pussy starved foreign men with fucking exotic women on their mind become the target demographic for those.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451735]Here's a list of typical school supplies, however it does not include uniforms. Usually there will be a main uniform plus a sports uniform, plus shoes, sports shoes, mochilla, lunchbox, etc.

[url]http://www.santiagochristianschool.org/SCS[/url]

%20School%20Supply%20Packets%20Flyer. Pdf.

Obviously one can get the list from the chica and go with her to make the purchases. Obviously this only applies if you have an ongoing relationship with the chica and the child and would not apply to short time sexual trysts.

There is always some risk of being ripped off. For example you can give money to charities in the US that spend 90% of the money on fundraising expenses. About 30 years ago I was dating a women who "tithed" 10% of her substantial salary to an AME Church. The pastor made frequent trips to Haiti to do missionary work. Unfortunately while he was there doing good works, he was infected with AIDS and died about 2 years later. So you never really know.[/QUOTE]I hope you don't think having a relationship with a chica changes anything? Worse yet, what happens when the so called boyfriend doesn't live near her, or is in his own country? When she claims to need school supplies (or anything they request) its usually going to be sought when the guy is not there to go with her to make sure she is getting what was intended. But damn, if you have to do that, what does that tell you in regards to them supposedly being in a relationship? That she can't be trusted in the 1st place. In other words to many, me included, the idea that you are in a exclusive relationship with a chica living in the dr and you live elsewhere, is a joke.

Ya think a chica is going to turn away offers from other men? Especially if the man is in front of them, and the boyfriend is not? As far as she is concerned or the boyfriend for that matter. Technically the so called boyfriend aint getting ripped off or being hurt, as long as he don't know about it. Ya got to know this is how enough chicas rationalize going outside of the relationship. That fuzzy feeling supports the delusion that he's saving her from being poor. To put it another way. His turn with her among other mens turn with her is supporting her.

The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. Having relationship will enhance the experience. Sport fucking is a lot of fun but it gets boring very fast. Point and click sport fucking is fun but it gets boring very fast. Having an attractive young lady that you know and like to hang out with when you are 50 plus is priceless. The sex with a girl you know is usually way better not to mention going dancing and movies. Forum guys rent pussy not buy it. I am not expecting them to sit around waiting for me to show up all year. The girls have almost no help with obligations having someone who can help out every now and then is a God send and for us banging pretty girl 30 years younger is a God Send. Dr girls like being wine and dined buy us and try hard to make us happy. In closing when you know DR girls who are not putas you will be in a better positions to make judgements.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1452228]I hope you don't think having a relationship with a chica changes anything? Worse yet, what happens when the so called boyfriend doesn't live near her, or is in his own country? When she claims to need school supplies (or anything they request) its usually going to be sought when the guy is not there to go with her to make sure she is getting what was intended. But damn, if you have to do that, what does that tell you in regards to them supposedly being in a relationship? That she can't be trusted in the 1st place. In other words to many, me included, the idea that you are in a exclusive relationship with a chica living in the dr and you live elsewhere, is a joke.

Ya think a chica is going to turn away offers from other men? Especially if the man is in front of them, and the boyfriend is not? As far as she is concerned or the boyfriend for that matter. Technically the so called boyfriend aint getting ripped off or being hurt, as long as he don't know about it. Ya got to know this is how enough chicas rationalize going outside of the relationship. That fuzzy feeling supports the delusion that he's saving her from being poor. To put it another way. His turn with her among other mens turn with her is supporting her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Niceb; 1452077]Thanks for the Update on last Saturday Sosua Scene. How CMP night club is different From Passion's? If there any reason for them to be still open.

You said ". If the could beg, steal or borrow the fare"."Beg" and "steal" is a little bit disrespectful. Don't you think?[/QUOTE]Maybe CMP donated more to the local police and / or politicians. Hell, maybe they paid off someone to put Peter & Passions out of business. Whatever, I would think some of the ex-Passion's girls would be applying to work at CMP. Good opportunity for CMP to up their chica quality!

Peter was a German national and I imagine it looks a lot better when the problem being caused by an outsider. Kill two birds with one stone appear to be cracking down and blaming foreigners for the problem. Let it be known buying pussy is a everyday thing for DR men. CMP has a bad rep on this forum and if any place can profit from Passions demise it is CMP. passions was killing them for business.

[QUOTE=Combo;1452246]Maybe CMP donated more to the local police and / or politicians. Hell, maybe they paid off someone to put Peter & Passions out of business. Whatever, I would think some of the ex-Passion's girls would be applying to work at CMP. Good opportunity for CMP to up their chica quality![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1447608]Thanks for the post Orgasmico. It shows that the cops are corrupt, and the girls run scams.[/QUOTE][url]Http://youtu.be/dl7ILrXiP24[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1452220]Because foreign men are suckers for pussy and throw in a sob story to boot. You have to market to your target audience. How would Craftsman look putting toolbox commercials on during soap operas? Like some damn idiots because the chicks who watch soap operas ain't running out to buy toolboxes. The same way Dominicans aren't trying to hear the sob stories. So pussy starved foreign men with fucking exotic women on their mind become the target demographic for those.[/QUOTE]Dominican men don't care. They laugh their ass off at the gringos. Read the posts most of these older guys are starving for sex and already got suckered in by plenty of these chicas but won't admit it. Amazing part is these chicas have the nicest clothes, almost all of them have the best cellular phones. Then they cry poor and idiots believe them. I laugh my ass off too at the posts especially how the chica really does "care"-yea til the $ runs out.

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1452260]Dominican men don't care. They laugh their ass off at the gringos. Read the posts most of these older guys are starving for sex and already got suckered in by plenty of these chicas but won't admit it. Amazing part is these chicas have the nicest clothes, almost all of them have the best cellular phones. Then they cry poor and idiots believe them. I laugh my ass off too at the posts especially how the chica really does "care"-yea til the $ runs out.[/QUOTE]The smart chicas are top-notch actresses.

The old saying young and dumb fits you like a glove. When us old guys as you state were young we did not need pay for pussy un like you. However young buck in 20 years you will know why we call this sex prison. I deal with pros and known pros which is beyond your skill level. It is clear you know little of life or the DR. We can afford to buy what we want. We gladly pay for what we get. DR guys envy our money and our lives. For them going to another country is an impossible dream. Most work very hard for the little they have. If you get out of working girl houses for minute you would know that. Your statements make it clear you have nothing to contribute to men talking. Once you learn to put a belt on and pull your pants up we can talk.

[QUOTE=Combo;1452316]The smart chicas are top-notch actresses.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1452245]The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. The girls have almost no help with obligations having someone who can help out every now and then is a God send and for us banging pretty girl 30 years younger is a God Send. Dr girls like being wine and dined buy us and try hard to make us happy. In closing when you know DR girls who are not putas you will be in a better positions to make judgements.[/QUOTE]Only a moron would assume I think other mongers I don't know are morons. Why don't you think in your own head? And I'll do the thinking in my own.

You say the girls have almost no help with obligations. What the hell are you talking about? What girls? You've conducted a survey to account for what girls have help from those that don't? Or are you just talking about girls you know personally? Quite frankly you don't know who these girls are fucking or who they may be getting money from, nor can you account for the money that is spent or blown. And therefore you have zero substance in your generalization of girls having or not having.

You say when I know DR girls who are not putas I'll be in a better position to make judgements. For the record, are you using the word judgment to say I'm giving an assessment or a perspective, or are you using judgement to assume I am supposedly putting poor women down? See with you, one has to be careful. Because you have a tendency to attempt to think in other peoples head, and assume the fucked up mentality you assign to others is how others think. Anyway, lets assume you are correct. I have been coming to the DR for a number of years, been in contact with many dominicans way before I started mongering, dated one, had bonds with all of her family and friends. Now since I do know DR women / girls that arent putas......that puts me in the position to be more objective within this discussion since I am fully aware there is and can be a distinction in behavior and manner.

Kinda makes me a little more well rounded than someone stuck in "simp" athetic mode. Maybe when you stop over emotionalizing what people post, and stop acting like a segment of what people post tells you someones overall character and POV in life, then you might be in a better position to grasp whats being discussed here without personalizing your concerns. I hope you are capable of addressing issues without focusing on others peoples character and POV that you assign to them? Can you do that? Will you do that?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1452245]The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. Having relationship will enhance the experience. Sport fucking is a lot of fun but it gets boring very fast. Point and click sport fucking is fun but it gets boring very fast. Having an attractive young lady that you know and like to hang out with when you are 50 plus is priceless. The sex with a girl you know is usually way better not to mention going dancing and movies. Forum guys rent pussy not buy it. I am not expecting them to sit around waiting for me to show up all year. The girls have almost no help with obligations having someone who can help out every now and then is a God send and for us banging pretty girl 30 years younger is a God Send. Dr girls like being wine and dined buy us and try hard to make us happy. In closing when you know DR girls who are not putas you will be in a better positions to make judgements.[/QUOTE]Just wanted you to ponder a few things. You say having a relationship will enhance the experience. What's the common denominator here of why the attractive young lady is hanging out with a 50 plus male when she can have a much younger man? As Shaft would say."I'll give you three $$$ sweet guesses". I think you got it twisted. What you are talking about is not really a relationship. It has more the elements of an arrangement rather than a relationship. Like a hired call girl or escort. Even if she cooks, cleans, goes to the movies, to clubs and restaurants with you. Thats just part of the arrangement, like a housekeeper.

When he isn't there she is free to have an arrangement with somebody else, or sport fuck as many dudes as she can for pocket change, until her big spender daddy fat wallet comes back to town. He's the guy she gets to buy refrigerators, school clothes and supplies, cooking gas, cell phones, medicine. And any other thing she convinces him to get. Meanwhile all of her sport fucking money gets to stay in her purse where it belongs. Here's an experiment. Don't give the poor girl any money, and don't buy anything. Just take her out dancing, the movies, to restaurants. And see how she feels about you then. My point is. The good times you are having is just an illusion. She is just playing her scripted role. Take money and bennies out of the equation, and you will see just how much of a relationship you don't have.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1452413]Thanks for posting this![/QUOTE]More about prostitution in Sosua and the local resistance and distain for sex tourists: [url]http://youtu.be/u_Ab6c7Ogbk[/url]

New garden is full for next wk.

Terra linda an don antonio have rooms. Terra linda is a little more money, but nicer.

I am aware of the history of credit card issues. Will be paying cash. Won't be taking multiple girls to the room. 1 at a time. Also aware of the history of not supporting guests when there was an issue with le.

Strickly looking for a decent room in the heart of the action. Willing to pay a little extra for basic comforts. Bigger bed, wifi that works and in room would be nice.

Still waiting for casa cayena to reply.

Stayed at ng last time. Using them as my reference point.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1452440]More about prostitution in Sosua and the local resistance and distain for sex tourists:

[url]http://youtu.be/u_Ab6c7Ogbk[/url][/QUOTE]That District Attorney Alba Nuñez is a cutie.

I'd really like to hear more reports on the ground.

I'd especially like to know how this is affecting CMP and their talent

Never been since I was always told Passions was far superior but this might be the time for them to step up

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1452392]Just wanted you to ponder a few things. You say having a relationship will enhance the experience. What's the common denominator here of why the attractive young lady is hanging out with a 50 plus male when she can have a much younger man?[/QUOTE]Obviously it is the money, but you could say the same of the women who hang around rich men in any country, but the point is that an older man, if he is solvent, can come to the DR and have a relationship with a much younger and more attractive woman than he could in his home country. Everywhere you go on the north coast you see these couples, in supermarkets, restaurants, etc. And they appear to be perfectly happy.

When I first came to the DR just over ten years ago, I could still have relationships with women at home, as long as I didn't mind dating post menopausal grandmothers, but not with women in their 20's, not for love nor money. But at that time the Internet, with the [url]WWW[/url] Still a very new thing becoming commercialized from 1996 to 1998, and the invention of Viagra which was approved by the FDA in March 1998 and analogous drug, changed everything.

Of course having a relationship is different from paying someone 1000 pesos for a quick fuck with a condom, because you have the partner available round the clock, and you can probably put them on the pill and have sex without condoms whenever you want, maybe on awaking in the morning or along with a nap after lunch. You don't have to hang out in noisy smoky bars, and you can travel anywhere in the island that you want to go as you are not restricted to "chica-friendly" hotels.

Obviously it costs money, but what is better value, $300 to an escort in her 30's in the States for an hour of sterile sex with a condom, or unlimited fun with a young Domincan honey in her 20's for a $300 monthly retainer?

Obviously relationships don't always work out, but what in life does? Yes, she may cheat on you sooner or later and probably the relationship won't last, but the same goes for relationships in the US or other countries. And don't forget that you may cheat on her too!

Just last week I bumped into a woman I had casual sex with several times a couple of years ago for 1000 pesos per encounter, when she lived in the same building as I, and she mentioned to me how she remembered that I had been sick and she gave me medicine. At first I didn't remember what the hell she was talking about, and then I recalled that I had "grippe" with a terrible cough, and she brought me a bottle of a home-made Dominican remedy made of stuff like red wine, onion juice, hot sauce, molasses, ginger, and various herbs. It was pretty disgusting, come to think of it, but the amazing thing to me was that she remembered me being sick long after I had completely forgotten. That's what makes it fun in the DR.

The reason this is possible is because of the disparity between earnings in the US and other developed countries and countries like the DR. Someone with an average job like a teacher or cop who has worked for 35 years and retired in the US is probably getting more monthly income in Social Security alone than many doctors, dentists, and lawyers working in the DR, never mind teachers or cops in the DR who make almost nothing. I know some of you hang out with well-off Dominicans, but there really aren't that many of them as a percentage of the whole population. The only one I know is a guy who has a couple of used car dealerships in Florida as well as one in Puerto Plata, and imports used cars, but there aren't that many people in that earnings class in the DR.

[QUOTE=David_33;1452526]That District Attorney Alba Nuñez is a cutie.[/QUOTE]She was involved in the Passion's takedown too. In the video she was saying that prostitution is a bad thing for families and businesses and that some of these women are selling themselves for as little as 300 pesos a go. She says having all these women hanging out in indecent clothing that signals their availability in Pedro Clissante deters decent families from wanting to go out in those areas.

Obviously it costs money, but what is better value, $300 to an escort in her 30's in the States for an hour of sterile sex with a condom, or unlimited fun with a young Domincan honey in her 20's for a $300 monthly retainer?

Obviously relationships don't always work out, but what in life does? Yes, she may cheat on you sooner or later and probably the relationship won't last, but the same goes for relationships in the US or other countries. And don't forget that you may cheat on her too!

Great post Frannie! I met this hot chick Sunday at this new hot spot in New York. La Marina. Washington Heights on Dyckman Street. As aside, that whole area is popping with some hot chicks and cool Dominican nightclubls. Anyone, in town on a Sunday night should check that area out. Safe. Anway, met this hot chick and bought her and her friends drinks all night. So, yes I got the number and yes I kissed her, but nothing else and I am in the hole now about $200. 00 with nothing to show. Granted she is hot, but technically I have not even gone out with her on a date yet as I met her with her friend at the club. Now, I will have to call her and take her out on a date so you see it is not cheap to hang with a hot girl, but maybe you all might not have to make the same effort I am making, but it is no layup here in new york for me. Hard work and expensive. So, the value propisition you get in the DR a hot girl with not spending the bank you cannot beat that.

What attracts a women to you is not always physical once women mature they realize they need more than a pretty face. They want someone who is kind. Affectionate and Has MONEY security We all no the money makes the difference but so what. A womans looks is what gets your attention but if her personality sucks you will not keep her. The chicas I know have dealt with young guys and want something different and may be better. They say older men treat them better. Truth is we do not have enough money to buy here what we can get in the DR. We are not looking for wives but on call girlfriends. Those of us who have experienced good DR GFE Know we are getting our money s worth. Man do I miss that wake up sex.

[QUOTE=Revere;1452616]Anway, met this hot chick and bought her and her friends drinks all night. So, yes I got the number and yes I kissed her, but nothing else and I am in the hole now about $200. 00 with nothing to show.[/QUOTE]She is probably dating the bar owner. You don't get much these days here in the DR for $200 either. Maybe a three-girl orgy with multiple pops, but that would be about the limit.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1452614]She was involved in the Passion's takedown too. In the video she was saying that prostitution is a bad thing for families and businesses and that some of these women are selling themselves for as little as 300 pesos a go. She says having all these women hanging out in indecent clothing that signals their availability in Pedro Clissante deters decent families from wanting to go out in those areas.[/QUOTE]They tried to blame mongering activities for the closing of many hotels and subsequent loss of 5000 jobs in Puerta Plata region. Then the camera focused on Rumba and said that the bars are fronts for other activities and proceeded to read the menu from Passions. Biased report as usual. However one of the authorities said that there was basically nothing anyone could do because there is NO LAW AGAINST PROSTITUTION IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.

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[QUOTE=Frannie; 1452589]1) Obviously it is the money, but you could say the same of the women who hang around rich men in any country, but the point is that an older man, if he is solvent, can come to the DR and have a relationship with a much younger and more attractive woman than he could in his home country. Everywhere you go on the north coast you see these couples, in supermarkets, restaurants, etc. And they appear to be perfectly happy.

2) Of course having a relationship is different from paying someone 1000 pesos for a quick fuck with a condom, because you have the partner available round the clock, and you can probably put them on the pill and have sex without condoms whenever you want, maybe on awaking in the morning or along with a nap after lunch. You don't have to hang out in noisy smoky bars, and you can travel anywhere in the island that you want to go as you are not restricted to "chica-friendly" hotels.

3) Obviously it costs money, but what is better value, $300 to an escort in her 30's in the States for an hour of sterile sex with a condom, or unlimited fun with a young Domincan honey in her 20's for a $300 monthly retainer?

4) Obviously relationships don't always work out, but what in life does? Yes, she may cheat on you sooner or later and probably the relationship won't last, but the same goes for relationships in the US or other countries. And don't forget that you may cheat on her too![/QUOTE]1) I'm not disputing that, nor have I denied that. I think it's fair to say we all have that understanding. I'm also not disputing that couples can be happy with each other. Thats also understood. The thrust of my point to the other poster, was the fact that in more than enough cases, the guy that thinks he's in a relationship with a chica doesn't even live with her or in the country. Which means his "novia" is likely fucking somebody else while he isn't there. And she rationalizes she isn't cheating on him, because her boyfriend is only her boyfriend when he is there. When it's his turn.

Now if your point underneath all of that is, it's better to have a chica you are familiar with and comfortable with, than sport fucking random chicas, well I'm in agreement. But I don't ascribe to the notion that a couple are in an exclusive relationship just because they are regulars of each other. Especially as you indicated, the guy may be cheating on the woman himself. Thats why I call it an arrangement, and not a relationship. Moreso, if the chica accepts his philandering.

2) Again what you describe appears to be 2 people with an arrangment. Because the same sexual habits and structure (no condoms, waking up to sex, hanging together etc) can apply to the boyfriend who is simply taking his turn until he goes back home. Meanwhile the chica is free to sport fuck for pocket change or even have another dude on retainer. Like the guy who only goes to SD, so she goes there to stay with him. The boyfriend at home is given whatever story she decides to spew.

3) I wouldn't take any of those choices. I'll choose 3, no monthly retainers for any chicas. I like the pay per use program. Pay for my turn in the moment when I use it. I'm not delusional that I'm in a relationship with any chica. I'm content with both of us being comfortable with each other and realizing its just an arrangement we have. I will say this. For those that choose to pay chicas monthly retainers, I thank them for that. If I run into any of those chicas, makes my time with them much better and keeps their expectations from me limited to our arrangement.

4) If one or both are having sex with others, why delusion oneself into believing they are in a relationship with a chica, and not simply an arrangement? On another note. I never understood why guys risk getting married in the states, only to keep fucking other women, risking losing a lot if and when they get caught?

It'll be interesting to see what that town is like since my last trip in Feb. I'll be sure to check out CMP to see how it is fairing do to passions closing. Luckily, I pre-booked with Rick at Mary Rose a month ago. Just read about how many hotels are booked early August. And I thought this was the slow season. Should be an interesting trip.

Where can I watch my New England patriots game each Sunday starting in September? I remember even in Colombia a Hooters bar had the 'NFL ticket' for all the games. Thanks, Its important

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1452548]I'd really like to hear more reports on the ground.

I'd especially like to know how this is affecting CMP and their talent

Never been since I was always told Passions was far superior but this might be the time for them to step up[/QUOTE]I stepped in CMP last Friday. Just saw a mob of women in there. I asked how many women, and was told about 20. Saw some nice looking ones. So CMP has some talent. There are just too many coming at you. At one time. Some guys like to choose the girl, but these girls are hungry for work. They can't afford to waste time letting anybody walk back out.

After hanging around Mary Rose and around the hotels far from the strip, where many of the passion / cmp girls stay (if they don't go back home ). I choose to make my deal with them when I spot them out and about.

I met and enjoyed an ex CMP girl that was in Dlatins, back in April. I saw her again last week at the colmado across from Sosua Suites. She remembered me. This time I got her number for future possibilities. One potential problem. Once many of them go back to freelancing, securing a TLN or them working hard to satisfy a customer, may not be their priority. Nor is there anyone to complain to.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1452631]She is probably dating the bar owner.[/QUOTE]How did you draw that conclusion just based on what he posted?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1452689]How did you draw that conclusion just based on what he posted?[/QUOTE]She and her friends got him to spend $200.

[QUOTE=Revere;1452616]I met this hot chick Sunday at this new hot spot in New York. La Marina. Washington Heights on Dyckman Street. As aside, that whole area is popping with some hot chicks and cool Dominican nightclubls.[/QUOTE]That's my neighborhood. La Marina has actually been open for over a year now.

[QUOTE=David_33;1452649]However one of the authorities said that there was basically nothing anyone could do because there is NO LAW AGAINST PROSTITUTION IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.[/QUOTE]That is something that could easily be fixed by legislators or perhaps a local ordinance could even be passed. But, I don't think it will happen in the short term.

Dominicans enjoy sexual freedom, but I think folks may be paying more attention to the growth of information on the internet now about DR prostitution. Folks making porn in Sosua, posting porn blogs, posting nude videos on youtube, and nude Sosua pics are pretty common now in random Google searches. The global awareness of the DR and specifically Sosua as a hub of international prostitution is getting some push back. It will be interesting to see how things go in the future.

i mentioned before that seeing putas is a dr tradition. the international attention has been on the dr for foreigners traveling for sex . the use of **** girls is rare for foreigners. the human trafficing is also not an issues with sex vacationers. dr women are imported all over the world to work as putas. the goverment has to be seen as hostile to mongers. so far it is business as usual and i doubt it can change much.

Come on, none of your NG guys doesn't know anything about this busty bar chica?

MB

[QUOTE=Mister Booblover; 1448402]Hi all your NG guys,

I am not staying at New Garden, but last night I was told by a chica on the strip, that there is a very busty chica that works in the bar at NG that go with clients and others. If anyone can confirm that and have some contact info about her, I will be very pleased to receive a PM.

Thanks a lot,

MB[/QUOTE]

[quote=oldkool;1452706]i mentioned before that seeing putas is a dr tradition. the international attention has been on the dr for foreigners traveling for sex . the use of **** girls is rare for foreigners. the human trafficing is also not an issues with sex vacationers. dr women are imported all over the world to work as putas. the goverment has to be seen as hostile to mongers. so far it is business as usual and i doubt it can change much.[/quote]our hobby only thrives in countries where the local men are mongers. our activity is only a small fraction of the pay-for-play taking place in the dr, brasil, colombia, thailand, etc. though, as has been pointed out often, tourists generally pay way more than local men.

Hi guys,

Looking to get into Sosua this weekend, finally found a nice 3 day weekend stretch to make the trip down. My first time in DR and looking forward to it! Couple questions, and I have an answer for one of them but looking at other options too.

1. My flight arrives at 1 AM on Saturday (early morning, late Friday) and I am unfortunately flying into STI as DL has no flights to POP. Is it safe to take a cab from STI to Sosua? I know it is an hour and half drive but I'm not sure if I want to stay overnight in STI or wait a few hours for the bus. I would rather just take a cab and get to my intended destination. Any recommended cab drivers that are dependable? Advice is greatly appreciated, I did see the number of one drive in previous response and will be looking into that.

2. Hotel wise, best spot that is close to the action? I've read about any of Rick's places, is that still the best option? I do need to book a hotel room very soon, I am not looking for the cheapest option. Just what is close to the action (prefer walking distance) and a nice place with a comfortable bed. Price range is $75. $100 I would be perfectly fine with.

Thanks for the help! Counting down the days and will share my experience!

Is Passions opened again or operating (DBA) under a different name or location?

Thanks fellows, I appreciate your input / the inside "skinny".

[QUOTE=Gary2;1452666]Where can I watch my New England patriots game each Sunday starting in September? I remember even in Colombia a Hooters bar had the 'NFL ticket' for all the games. Thanks, Its important[/QUOTE]Rumba bar has all the football games, winners sports bar and Dlatins also. A lot of little bars and resturants also have nfl games on. Super bowl is the bussiest time of year for Sosua.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1452799]Rumba bar has all the football games, winners sports bar and dlatins also. A lot of little bars and resturants also have nfl games on. Super bowl is the bussiest time of year for sosua.[/QUOTE]Good to see someone who wants to expand his cultural developement while living in the DR. Jose O'Shea's in Cabarette has something like 7 tv's what seems like every game on the NFL. Only thing about O'Shea's is that everything is pricey.

[quote=oldkool;1452706]i mentioned before that seeing putas is a dr tradition. the international attention has been on the dr for foreigners traveling for sex . the use of **** girls is rare for foreigners. the human trafficing is also not an issues with sex vacationers. dr women are imported all over the world to work as putas. the goverment has to be seen as hostile to mongers. so far it is business as usual and i doubt it can change much.[/quote]how much do dominican men pay to lay with the chica's?

i had 1 local tell me he would take me to a place where for the bed and the chica it would be 800. can we find some decent chic's at some of these place's where the dominican men go or are they sosua rejects?

Sosua news says that after August 2nd the police will arrest anyone having a loud muffler or loud music.

For those that have been here they know how loud this shit really is.

Saw this picture posted on a website and you can guess what the description said. Anyway, Sosua is not what it once was on many levels. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1452907]Saw this picture posted on a website and you can guess what the description said. Anyway, Sosua is not what it once was on many levels. The good, the bad, and the ugly.[/QUOTE]From Yahoo! Answers"

"Dominicans in general dress much better than Americans. They take great pride in what clothes they have. Lightweight button down short sleeved shirts and long pant are pretty standard for men and women typically wear dresses, jeans or form-fitting pants. Shoes are probably the most important part of their wardrobe. Men do not typically wear sneakers although sandals are starting to come more into style. Dress leather shoes are preferred. Men will have their shoes shined at least once a week or more by street children or at home. Children wear school uniforms during the week with sneakers and jeans and t-shirts with sandals on the weekend."

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1452899]Sosua news says that after August 2nd the police will arrest anyone having a loud muffler or loud music.

For those that have been here they know how loud this shit really is.[/QUOTE]It's torture where I live in Puerto Plata but for the past few weeks I have noticed it is less often and sometimes with reduced volume, so maybe there really is a campaign under way, though I have been here long enough to have witnessed many false dawns on different issues.

If they get rid of those fuckers once and for all I would cheerfully accept the purging of putas and closing of bars and brothels in exchange as a good deal.

[QUOTE=Noble Savage; 1452744]Is Passions opened again or operating (DBA) under a different name or location?

Thanks fellows, I appreciate your input / the inside "skinny".[/QUOTE]Went past yesterday. The doors were closed but no longer shuttered and the cerrado notice had gone. Looks like something might happen soon.

In SD I rarely wear shorts. I make an effort to blend in. Sosua is a different animal. It is a vacation resort that is dominated by foreigners. Everything in Sosua is geared toward the guests. SD is the real DR. I try to dress in away that allows me to not standout. The dress style of young monger especially black young men is different. It is wrong to judge people based on how they are dressed. DR men are very fashion conscious. They go to the barber at least once a week. Some of the younger guys are dressing with the hip hop influence.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1452917]From Yahoo! Answers"

"Dominicans in general dress much better than Americans. They take great pride in what clothes they have. Lightweight button down short sleeved shirts and long pant are pretty standard for men and women typically wear dresses, jeans or form-fitting pants. Shoes are probably the most important part of their wardrobe. Men do not typically wear sneakers although sandals are starting to come more into style. Dress leather shoes are preferred. Men will have their shoes shined at least once a week or more by street children or at home. Children wear school uniforms during the week with sneakers and jeans and t-shirts with sandals on the weekend."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1452929]It's torture where I live in Puerto Plata but for the past few weeks I have noticed it is less often and sometimes with reduced volume, so maybe there really is a campaign under way, though I have been here long enough to have witnessed many false dawns on different issues.

If they get rid of those fuckers once and for all I would cheerfully accept the purging of putas and closing of bars and brothels in exchange as a good deal.[/QUOTE]Hell, yes, that would be a great trade-off! Especially the mobile announcement trucks. Unfortunately this only applies to vehicles, so will not affect Sosua bars, I don't think.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1452907]Saw this picture posted on a website and you can guess what the description said. Anyway, Sosua is not what it once was on many levels. The good, the bad, and the ugly.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what the description might have said. It would depend on what kind of Web site it was. I don't know exactly how Dominicans feel about visitors who dress like extras from Pirates of the Caribbean, but I suspect it is not all positive.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1452929]It's torture where I live in Puerto Plata but for the past few weeks I have noticed it is less often and sometimes with reduced volume, so maybe there really is a campaign under way, though I have been here long enough to have witnessed many false dawns on different issues.

If they get rid of those fuckers once and for all I would cheerfully accept the purging of putas and closing of bars and brothels in exchange as a good deal.[/QUOTE]Place's like Rumba must think whoever has the loudest music brings in the biggest croud but for me that shit hurts my ears and I am not hanging for long. The guy's who want to jam there car stero's need to go down a dirt road near the beach where the wave's can muffle the sound.

Prepare to be amazed!

1. I have been routed thru STI only once and was lucky to meet a couple of fellow-monger with whom I shared a taxi, and good times, to Sosua. We all felt perfectly safe, although it was a bit earlier than your flight, and saved moola by splitting the rather steep cost of around USD 100. I will leave it to the folk more experienced with STI to suggest alternatives.

2. I'm a huge fan of New Garden which ranges from $55 to $ 85. It's within close walking distance to the action, usually has an awesome monger community who will provide great intel for you (typically during the free breakfast) , has chicas on the premises (not usually a spectacular group though!) , nice pool, and best of all, the best Italian restaurant in Sosua, IMHO.

Have a blast!

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1452736]Hi guys,

Looking to get into Sosua this weekend, finally found a nice 3 day weekend stretch to make the trip down. My first time in DR and looking forward to it! Couple questions, and I have an answer for one of them but looking at other options too.

1. My flight arrives at 1 AM on Saturday (early morning, late Friday) and I am unfortunately flying into STI as DL has no flights to POP. Is it safe to take a cab from STI to Sosua? I know it is an hour and half drive but I'm not sure if I want to stay overnight in STI or wait a few hours for the bus. I would rather just take a cab and get to my intended destination. Any recommended cab drivers that are dependable? Advice is greatly appreciated...[/QUOTE]

I'm going down to Sosua in September and I wondering about two thinks and hoping you guys can help!

The first is, after the closing of Passions as there been a price change for the TLN for the street chicas?

I remember reading that the price was around 2000 to 2500 for TLN is it still that?

The second is, does anybody know how much to pay a chica for a girlfriend experience for a duration of 2 weeks?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1452907]Saw this picture posted on a website and you can guess what the description said. Anyway, Sosua is not what it once was on many levels. The good, the bad, and the ugly.[/QUOTE]Shirt, shorts and shoes.

I don't see the problem

In my trips there I've never seen any locals take issue with basket ball jerseys or pants

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1453073]Shirt, shorts and shoes.

I don't see the problem

In my trips there I've never seen any locals take issue with basket ball jerseys or pants[/QUOTE]Exactly. Sosua is a beach / tourist town and people dress differently than they would in Santo Domingo or Santiago.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1452736]Hi guys,

Looking to get into Sosua this weekend, finally found a nice 3 day weekend stretch to make the trip down. My first time in DR and looking forward to it! Couple questions, and I have an answer for one of them but looking at other options too.

1. My flight arrives at 1 AM on Saturday (early morning, late Friday) and I am unfortunately flying into STI as DL has no flights to POP. Is it safe to take a cab from STI to Sosua? I know it is an hour and half drive but I'm not sure if I want to stay overnight in STI or wait a few hours for the bus. I would rather just take a cab and get to my intended destination. Any recommended cab drivers that are dependable? Advice is greatly appreciated, I did see the number of one drive in previous response and will be looking into that.

2. Hotel wise, best spot that is close to the action? I've read about any of Rick's places, is that still the best option? I do need to book a hotel room very soon, I am not looking for the cheapest option. Just what is close to the action (prefer walking distance) and a nice place with a comfortable bed. Price range is $75. $100 I would be perfectly fine with.

Thanks for the help! Counting down the days and will share my experience![/QUOTE]Check your private message box

Some guys on site take issues with young black guys wearing hip hop garbs. Trayvon Martin affect. I am an older guy and truly have no affection for the way these guys present them selves. However they are individuals and should not be judged solely on the cloths on their back. My car broke down in a bad location. A young guy with low riding pants stopped and help me with my flat. 100s of cars with belt wearing guys rolled by me without a look. When we were younger some folk did not like how we wore our hair. Every generation has to be different. This is very normal Just remember the stuff we wore in the 70s and not laugh. These guys are our children and nephews. They need our love not our disdain. Old and still Kool





[QUOTE=Combo;1453088]Exactly. Sosua is a beach / tourist town and people dress differently than they would in Santo Domingo or Santiago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1452947]I don't know exactly how Dominicans feel about visitors who dress like extras from Pirates of the Caribbean, but I suspect it is not all positive.[/QUOTE]Not my style, but it gives me an opportunity to set myself apart from these folks. Guys can wear whatever they want. More power to them. I just never saw the logic of wearing Timberland boots in 90 degree weather or to the beach, but that's probably just me. Who knows ... maybe they work construction back home.

Arriving at pop going to Sosua right when you past the public beach start looking on your left and you will see a bank on your left you can exchange your legal money for Dominican money but you have to show passport. For all the guy's who had rather not deal with all the I'd thing just look for guy's holding big wads of cash in there hands on the street they are everywhere.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1453102]Some guys on site take issues with young black guys wearing hip hop garbs. Trayvon Martin affect. I am an older guy and truly have no affection for the way these guys present them selves. However they are individuals and should not be judged solely on the cloths on their back.[/QUOTE]No, I have no problem with how guys behave themselves in Sosua. Most are very polite, etc. Just some of them remind me sometimes of when I went on vacation for the first time to Spain in 1964. At that time most British vacationers did not have any specific warm-weather leisure clothing, so you would see people on the beach wearing elastic top gym shorts left over from high school or military service twenty years ago combined with short gray polyester socks and leather shoes, plus long sleeved button down shirts with the sleeves rolled up. They stood out like sore thumbs, but the truth was they were wearing the same things they would wear in the yard on the very occasional hot day in England (this was before global warming) , and they probably didn't have the money to buy clothes that they would only use on vacation. This was even before the time that people would make cut off shorts out of a pair of old jeans, because most people didn't have jeans back then, which were an expensive American import.

Another thing that came from the video of the public prosecutor was how she was saying that many of these tourists come to Sosua specifically for sex and nothing else. Obviously that is hardly news for anyone on this board, but I think a general lack of discretion leads to Dominicans paying more attention to something that might be less obvious if people were more discreet. I have had guys who don't know me from Adam start conversations with me in the street about girls they had last night, how much to pay, where to find girls, etc, when I could be FBI for all they know. Or if I ask how they are enjoying their vacation, they immediately start talking about girls, Disneyland for adults, etc, rather than the beach, the weather, the food, the hotel, Dominican culture, Dominican music, the language, the general ambience, or any other potential conversational topic that people usually talk about on vacation when meeting strangers.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1453313]No, I have no problem with how guys behave themselves in Sosua. Most are very polite, etc. Just some of them remind me sometimes of when I went on vacation for the first time to Spain in 1964. At that time most British vacationers did not have any specific warm-weather leisure clothing, so you would see people on the beach wearing elastic top gym shorts left over from high school or military service twenty years ago combined with short gray polyester socks and leather shoes, plus long sleeved button down shirts with the sleeves rolled up. They stood out like sore thumbs, but the truth was they were wearing the same things they would wear in the yard on the very occasional hot day in England (this was before global warming) , and they probably didn't have the money to buy clothes that they would only use on vacation. This was even before the time that people would make cut off shorts out of a pair of old jeans, because most people didn't have jeans back then, which were an expensive American import.

Another thing that came from the video of the public prosecutor was how she was saying that many of these tourists come to Sosua specifically for sex and nothing else. Obviously that is hardly news for anyone on this board, but I think a general lack of discretion leads to Dominicans paying more attention to something that might be less obvious if people were more discreet. I have had guys who don't know me from Adam start conversations with me in the street about girls they had last night, how much to pay, where to find girls, etc, when I could be FBI for all they know. Or if I ask how they are enjoying their vacation, they immediately start talking about girls, Disneyland for adults, etc, rather than the beach, the weather, the food, the hotel, Dominican culture, Dominican music, the language, the general ambience, or any other potential conversational topic that people usually talk about on vacation when meeting strangers.[/QUOTE]What you are forgetting is prostitution is legal in DR. So what if some or many just go there for girls? Bottom line is tourist dollars whether it is from mongers or vacationers goes to feed the people and support small businesses.

In fact mongers pay more than people vacationing. While mongers may not buy T shirts they certainly pay for the girl, drinks and sometimes take the girl out for shopping and tours. Mongers do exchange info on their experiences.

FBI is not going to prosecute anybody even if they are listening in on monger activities.

If the prostitution is legal the politicians should not be complaining about mongers coming for sex.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1453321]What you are forgetting is prostitution is legal in DR. So what if some or many just go there for girls? Bottom line is tourist dollars whether it is from mongers or vacationers goes to feed the people and support small businesses.[/QUOTE]I know that, but I am just pointing out that there are also factions within DR society who do not want the area to be promoted as a sex tourism destination, for example Alba Nunez Pichardo, and while they do not oppose earning tourist dollars, they think it can be done by other means. Maybe they are right, and maybe they are not.

Although prostitution is legal in the DR, in general that is not something that Dominicans are proud of or wish to promote. Prostitution is legal in most countries of the world other than the US (for example England and Scotland, or Australia) , but very few nations wanted to be associated with sex tourism from the US.

If you Google the phrase "Sosua dress code" and then look under "images" on the first page of results you will find pictures of white men having their dicks sucked by Dominican girls, a woman spreading her pussy, and other similar kinds of images, some of them probably posted by people who use this board or other similar boards. Not all Dominicans think this is a good thing. That is all I am saying.

[quote=frannie; 1453332]i know that, but i am just pointing out that there are also factions within dr society who do not want the area to be promoted as a sex tourism destination, for example alba nunez pichardo, and while they do not oppose earning tourist dollars, they think it can be done by other means. maybe they are right, and maybe they are not.

although prostitution is legal in the dr, in general that is not something that dominicans are proud of or wish to promote. prostitution is legal in most countries of the world other than the us (for example england and scotland, or australia) , but very few nations wanted to be associated with sex tourism from the us.

if you google the phrase "sosua dress code" and then look under "images" on the first page of results you will find pictures of white men having their dicks sucked by dominican girls, a woman spreading her pussy, and other similar kinds of images, some of them probably posted by people who use this board or other similar boards. not all dominicans think this is a good thing. that is all i am saying.[/quote]while no country want to be associated with prostitution, fact is it is part of life for ages. if dominican government do not like it they should enact laws to ban it. if it is banned i am sure many mongers will be afraid to go there.

yes, it is illegal here in usa. in some respects it has controlled prostitution here. however it still flourishes. as long as it is not **** the government tolerates it.

your point is mongers should keep a low profile. but it is impossible to do that. it is important to discuss good and bad experiences which will help other mongers.

you cannot have one law and blame visitors and locals to use the law to their advantage. however dominican law does say that it is illegal to operate pimping sex dens. i guess this is how they got passions or passions got too noticed for them. i am sure some day
they will go after black beards and other locations having women to serve guys.

[quote=sammon; 1453339]while no country want to be associated with prostitution, fact is it is part of life for ages. if dominican government do not like it they should enact laws to ban it. if it is banned i am sure many mongers will be afraid to go there.

yes, it is illegal here in usa. in some respects it has controlled prostitution here. however it still flourishes. as long as it is not **** the government tolerates it.

your point is mongers should keep a low profile. but it is impossible to do that. it is important to discuss good and bad experiences which will help other mongers.

you cannot have one law and blame visitors and locals to use the law to their advantage. however dominican law does say that it is illegal to operate pimping sex dens. i guess this is how they got passions or passions got too noticed for them. i am sure some day.

they will go after black beards and other locations having women to serve guys.[/quote]i think that with all that is going on in sosua with closings, political pressure etc that the sam cooke is song is appropriate- "a change is going to come". the winds of change are blowing. there is too much effort being put into this suddenly for it just to be for show. my friend just got back from angeles city and the same thing is going on there.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1453339]I guess this is how they got passions or passions got too noticed for them. I am sure some day.

They will go after black beards and other locations having women to serve guys.[/QUOTE]I don't think Blackbeards has anything to worry about. They would not fall under the brothel/pimping charges that Passions got hit with.

At Blackbeards all they do is invite the girls over and you pay your money directly to the girls; not to the "house". They essentially have the very exact same set up as New Garden, just with hotter chicas.

The only problem they may have is that I've heard that they fine chicas for not showing up to the resort for their assigned shift. But they do not take a cut of any money the chicas earn while at Blackbeards.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1453339]While no country want to be associated with prostitution, fact is it is part of life for ages. If Dominican government do not like it they should enact laws to ban it. If it is banned I am sure many mongers will be afraid to go there.[/QUOTE]That is a bit simplistic given the worldwide debate over prostitution laws that has been going on over the last few years. Few countries have followed the example of Sweden in making it a crime to be a male client of a prostitute while exempting females from any legal charges, but Britain was seriously considering it and then instead introduced a bizarre law that made it a "strict liability" offense to have sex for money with a "trafficked" woman-meaning the man was guilty regardless of whether he knew the woman was "trafficked" or not. I don't think anyone has actually been prosecuted under this law yet.

There is no doubt that the DR could do a lot to reduce its charm as a sex tourism destination simply by enforcing existing laws, which seems to be what is going on right now with the massage parlor closures and the move to close Passions.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1453332]I know that, but I am just pointing out that there are also factions within DR society who do not want the area to be promoted as a sex tourism destination, for example Alba Nunez Pichardo, and while they do not oppose earning tourist dollars, they think it can be done by other means. Maybe they are right, and maybe they are not.

Although prostitution is legal in the DR, in general that is not something that Dominicans are proud of or wish to promote. Prostitution is legal in most countries of the world other than the US (for example England and Scotland, or Australia) , but very few nations wanted to be associated with sex tourism from the US.

If you Google the phrase "Sosua dress code" and then look under "images" on the first page of results you will find pictures of white men having their dicks sucked by Dominican girls, a woman spreading her pussy, and other similar kinds of images, some of them probably posted by people who use this board or other similar boards. Not all Dominicans think this is a good thing. That is all I am saying.[/QUOTE]Right message, wrong audience. Clearly they are not capable of abstract thinking. You are are going to have to be blunt and call it what it really is and why these recent events in Sosua were predicable and a long time coming.

(No legalized prositution in the US? Try Nevada)

[QUOTE=Coalburner69;1453355](No legalized prositution in the US? Try Nevada)[/QUOTE]That is really legalized pimping, as the prostitutes, even when they have the state license, are not allowed to practice independently.

Again from the Alba Nunez Pichardo video, one of the things they are railing about is that most of the girls are 15 to 23, but the many of the men are 50, 60, 70. One might question the lower numbers, but evidently they don't like the aesthetics of intergenerational prostitution.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1453356]That is really legalized pimping, as the prostitutes, even when they have the state license, are not allowed to practice independently.[/QUOTE]Of course, but it's still a legal place in the us where one can buy sex.

[quote=sammon; 1453339]while no country want to be associated with prostitution, fact is it is part of life for ages. if dominican government do not like it they should enact laws to ban it. if it is banned i am sure many mongers will be afraid to go there.

yes, it is illegal here in usa. in some respects it has controlled prostitution here. however it still flourishes. as long as it is not **** the government tolerates it.

your point is mongers should keep a low profile. but it is impossible to do that. it is important to discuss good and bad experiences which will help other mongers.

you cannot have one law and blame visitors and locals to use the law to their advantage. however dominican law does say that it is illegal to operate pimping sex dens. i guess this is how they got passions or passions got too noticed for them. i am sure some day.

they will go after black beards and other locations having women to serve guys.[/quote]it is easy to keep a low profile.

do not act like a dog in heat.

do not flaunt chicas in front of the local males.

keep your bragadoica to this board.

be careful about posting photos.

sometimes mongers are their own worse enemy.

[quote=sammon; 1453321]what you are forgetting is prostitution is legal in dr. so what if some or many just go there for girls? bottom line is tourist dollars whether it is from mongers or vacationers goes to feed the people and support small businesses.

in fact mongers pay more than people vacationing. while mongers may not buy t shirts they certainly pay for the girl, drinks and sometimes take the girl out for shopping and tours. mongers do exchange info on their experiences.

fbi is not going to prosecute anybody even if they are listening in on monger activities.

if the prostitution is legal the politicians should not be complaining about mongers coming for sex.[/quote]if you are broadcasting **** sex activities the us government will get you.

It is not called the oldest profession for nothing. Men will pay for good and bad sex.

[QUOTE=Coalburner69;1453361]Of course, but it's still a legal place in the us where one can buy sex.[/QUOTE]

I understand Rumba and D'Latinos has many games; like ESPN (s) and so forth. I get all that in my apt. Too, but my question is;

In the fall; Who gets all the NFL games every Sunday which is available only on 'NFL ticket'. This 'ticket' must be purchased by the Sports bar. Individuals too coting $200 per year. In the USA the basic definition of a sports bar is having the all different 'sports tickets' year round, like; NFL, NBA, NHL ect. Ticket (s).

All cities / towns in the USA have a few, and as I mentioned I even saw this in Medillin at a Hooters. This 'ticket' is needed to guarantee you can watch your home cities team (s) every game. Its definitely not in Sosua. So I'm guessing / espero P. P. Or Cabarete.

Must be hot in there:

Been in Sosua for about 24 hours, and in that time I managed to have my first threesome with two lovely 20 something girls, and in the evening hooked up with a young Haitian, that looked like in her teens. My expectations as a newbie travelling solo for the first time were that of worry and disappointment. So far neither has come true. The threesome, I got caught up in while looking for a market to purchase some water, and was totally unplanned. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I did not expect to see so many nice young chicas. Whatever I saw on the internet or home pages of FOD and BB, none of those girls were my type. I love asian girls, and therefore spinners are my cup of tea. Let me say there is everything for everyone's taste in here. And it is so easy. One thing I learned with the threesome was that apparently NG where I am staying does not allow happy hour, which means you are not allowed to bring two girls in your room at once. I am not sure whether its true, but we ended up going to Central hotel to have our fun. Both of the girls were nice, but the older one seemed to be coaching the younger one, and was less involved. They also wanted to do CBJ, especially the older girl. I declined and they agreed to my requests. The cost was 3000 pesos for both of them. I don't think I will go for a threesome again as they rarely meet people's PSE expectations.

After having a meal and couple of drinks I decided at around 10:00 pm to check out the bar scene and ended up at DLatins (?) , where one can stand by the bar, and get looked at by a whole bunch of girls. Its actually was quite nice and casual, and I realized that I do not need a wingman, and I was glad I did not go to BB. Soon enough I was approached by a lovely young Haitian girl, who was cuddly and all, and ended up spending the night with her. Actually she was consistently nice and sweet during the night as well. Paid her the going price of 3000 pesos and she was very happy. Made a date with her for this evening, and will see what happens. Got to spread out my energy and take it down a notch. I still have six nights left and I am not Chris Long.

So far Sosua has not been a disappointment at all. Observations:

I am glad I came alone.

There are girls of all types here.

NG is ok, but overpriced. None of the girls at this time are my type. Next time I would choose a condo, and bring my chicas there. Like Sosua Suites, or Mary Rose.

Prices for service has not changed.

Out standing stuff. Your report reflects every experience I have ever had in Sosua. It is hard to control your self when you first get there. Take your time and only take girls you want. It is a lot harder to do then say. I would do a very young looking then a very thick. Sport fucking at its best. If you meet a girls that you click with see if she is into girls. If she is a seasoned pro there is a good chance that she is. The young sweet ones that are very attractive to me are usually poor canidates for 3somes. If you hook up with a seasoned girl and things are going well ask if she knows any Bi girls. Last thing haitian girls are awesome in the sack. She would have been happy with 2k or 2. 5 pesos for all night. I was offered a 3 some by a Haitian girl but did not accept. I think this was a mistake. Slow down a bit or you will be out of leche really fast. No way I could last 6 days in Sosua. Maybe take chica to SD for a road trip. Hop bus and you are there.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal; 1453473]Been in Sosua for about 24 hours, and in that time I managed to have my first threesome with two lovely 20 something girls, and in the evening hooked up with a young Haitian, that looked like in her teens. My expectations as a newbie travelling solo for the first time were that of worry and disappointment. So far neither has come true. The threesome, I got caught up in while looking for a market to purchase some water, and was totally unplanned. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I did not expect to see so many nice young chicas. Whatever I saw on the internet or home pages of FOD and BB, none of those girls were my type. I love asian girls, and therefore spinners are my cup of tea. Let me say there is everything for everyone's taste in here. And it is so easy. One thing I learned with the threesome was that apparently NG where I am staying does not allow happy hour, which means you are not allowed to bring two girls in your room at once. I am not sure whether its true, but we ended up going to Central hotel to have our fun. Both of the girls were nice, but the older one seemed to be coaching the younger one, and was less involved. They also wanted to do CBJ, especially the older girl. I declined and they agreed to my requests. The cost was 3000 pesos for both of them. I don't think I will go for a threesome again as they rarely meet people's PSE expectations.

After having a meal and couple of drinks I decided at around 10:00 pm to check out the bar scene and ended up at DLatins (?) , where one can stand by the bar, and get looked at by a whole bunch of girls. Its actually was quite nice and casual, and I realized that I do not need a wingman, and I was glad I did not go to BB. Soon enough I was approached by a lovely young Haitian girl, who was cuddly and all, and ended up spending the night with her. Actually she was consistently nice and sweet during the night as well. Paid her the going price of 3000 pesos and she was very happy. Made a date with her for this evening, and will see what happens. Got to spread out my energy and take it down a notch. I still have six nights left and I am not Chris Long.

So far Sosua has not been a disappointment at all. Observations:

I am glad I came alone.

There are girls of all types here.

NG is ok, but overpriced. None of the girls at this time are my type. Next time I would choose a condo, and bring my chicas there. Like Sosua Suites, or Mary Rose.

Prices for service has not changed.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

This is not meant to be a double post but I put in the Santo Domingo forum that ill be in Sosua around the 24th I'm a relative newb but from reading the forum it doesn't seem to matter. I went to Caberete once and visited Sosua twice (but I was with my girl). Going alone this time and I'm going for the gusto so to speak. Anybody going to be in the area?

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1453473]So far Sosua has not been a disappointment at all.[/QUOTE]Good report and good luck!

Like the recent post, I've been in Sosua over a day now so I'll tell you guys what I've seen so far.

For one, there aren't quite as many girls as back in Feb but this is slow season I suppose and I'm not saying that they are few in number, they're everywhere. Day time action is a little slow, but you can still find dimes on the beach or on the street. Just have to take a walk. However, even though there are less chicas, there are far less mongers here as well; so it more than evens out-strangely though, Rick is completely booked in all his establishments. It is literally a buyers market right now. Yesterday, I was taking a couple of first-timers around and telling them everything I learned from last trip as well as this board. These guys were in heaven and I had to consistently tell them to slow their roll-they were trying to get every number from almost every girl they passed by. Within an hour they collected close to twenty numbers! One of the guys was a real haggler and was constantly getting girls to come down to 1000 pesos short time and a few were willing to do 1500 for anal. If it matters, this guy was young thirties, in good shape, and pretty good looking. Myself, I wasn't settling for anything the first night. For one, I want to feel the girls out and get a good one [more than enough time for that, ] and two, my dick is still raw from screwing the day before I left LOL. Anyway, one of the dudes took a girl to a ST hotel that she had already and we waited at the bar while he did his thing. 1500 pesos, BBBJ, and somewhat mechanical in the sack from what he said. Other guy scored an hour-glass dime out of D'latins for 2000 pesos TLN. Speaking of D'latins. The place was crawling with smoking hot women. A lot of the hottest girls seemed to be coming from Santiago for some reason; lighter skinned girls. I did notice a few of the stunners had shit attitudes and quickly told my new buds to drop that chic. There were just too many to choose from. So end the night they both take a chica back to Trade Winds where they were staying; one was TLN like I mentioned and the other took a nice looking haitian girl for 1500 pesos. No complaints from either of them next day. This morning however, all those numbers they collected payed off. The good looking guy had a girl from CMP come during the day to fuck his brains out and he only payed her 700 pesos [long story short with this one is he spent a lot of time with her last night and she may really like him cause he said she never even asked for money. Yeah that is too low and I am sure you are thinking the same I am now that she was expecting more and should have got it but it is what it is. ] Another girl came over in the morning that they met the day before, they sent her to the market, she came back, cooked breakfast, then gave him BBBJ. Another girl that didn't even get 1000 pesos.

BTW, I found out today that the reason that guy is such a good haggler is that he is flat broke now. One week vacation in Sosua and he brought enough money for one day's worth of fun. Not smart. Now he is trying to get his friend to loan him money and has the nerve to get pissed when his friend said no. I ditched this scene immediately as I don't want to get caught up in that drama or have him try and ask me which is inevitable. Best of luck to him and Wester Union connects but I sure feel bad for his bud that is stuck with him. Dude just spent his last pesos on a chicken dinner and got pissed cause his bud won't buy him a Pepsi to wash it down with LOL. What a leach.

Going back to it being a buyers market, there was a guy sitting at Rocky's as we were all checking in with Rick that told us that girls are desperate right now and you can really get a good deal. That dude proved it right the first day.

CMP report: place is packed with girls and a lot of them are really, really hot! Some of them still not so much, but there is variety for sure. Some I recognize from Passions last trip. Also, since PAssions is closed, the brothel mongers have migrated to CMP. There's not a lot of them but from last night, and me just coming back from there today, I'd say about 4-6 dudes at any given time give or take. The price for TLN has gone up to 4000 pesos even late at night. However, it is completely doable to get these girls off the clock for cheaper. Main reason I went there to try and get my head-monster to meet up outside that place.

MAry Rose: Very nice place but respectively far from the action. As others have mentioned this can be a good thing because like Chris Long has said, there are girls walking around that neighborhood that live in that bario. So you can see them in the daylight and even score some easy hook-ups without traveling far. As far as the distance, motoconcho sure helps but you can walk to the main strip or the beach in about 15 minutes. Apartment is clean, new, nice appliances, nice flatscreen TV with tons of english channels, good wifi in apt 9 and near the pool. Nice patio furniture and pool are with nice plants and flowers. Shuttle service every two hours but it's kind of on Dominican time LOL. Ceiling fans kick some air so I don't even need A / C at night. A / C is only in the bedroom BTW. Bathroom is all nice tile, marble it looks like. Good couch, not like in Sosua Suites. Bed is very comfortable and cleaning crew seems to be efficient. It's all Ricks family so I feel pretty safe not having to worry about the safe being tampered with.

Trade Winds: Got to see my friends room and I wouldn't really recommend this place. It is far from the action [it's on the main street, and not Pedro Clisante main street. Like the one that goes to Cabarete, ] and is exactly the same style as Sosua Suites. Apartment type setup with a very uncomfortable couch. It is motoconcho all the way every time you want to get to the room and back.

That's it for now. Got a week left so I'll post more as I see it fit.

Adios

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1453518]For one, there aren't quite as many girls as back in Feb but this is slow season I suppose and I'm not saying that they are few in number, they're everywhere. Day time action is a little slow, but you can still find dimes on the beach or on the street. Just have to take a walk. However, even though there are less chicas, there are far less mongers here as well; so it more than evens out-strangely though, Rick is completely booked in all his establishments. It is literally a buyers market right now. Yesterday, I was taking a couple of first-timers around and telling them everything I learned from last trip as well as this board. These guys were in heaven and I had to consistently tell them to slow their roll-they were trying to get every number from almost every girl they passed by. Within an hour they collected close to twenty numbers! One of the guys was a real haggler and was constantly getting girls to come down to 1000 pesos short time and a few were willing to do 1500 for anal. If it matters, this guy was young thirties, in good shape, and pretty good looking. Myself, I wasn't settling for anything the first night. For one, I want to feel the girls out and get a good one [more than enough time for that, ] and two, my dick is still raw from screwing the day before I left LOL. Anyway, one of the dudes took a girl to a ST hotel that she had already and we waited at the bar while he did his thing. 1500 pesos, BBBJ, and somewhat mechanical in the sack from what he said. Other guy scored an hour-glass dime out of D'latins for 2000 pesos TLN. Speaking of D'latins. The place was crawling with smoking hot women. A lot of the hottest girls seemed to be coming from Santiago for some reason; lighter skinned girls. I did notice a few of the stunners had shit attitudes and quickly told my new buds to drop that chic. There were just too many to choose from. So end the night they both take a chica back to Trade Winds where they were staying; one was TLN like I mentioned and the other took a nice looking haitian girl for 1500 pesos. No complaints from either of them next day. This morning however, all those numbers they collected payed off. The good looking guy had a girl from CMP come during the day to fuck his brains out and he only payed her 700 pesos [long story short with this one is he spent a lot of time with her last night and she may really like him cause he said she never even asked for money. Yeah that is too low and I am sure you are thinking the same I am now that she was expecting more and should have got it but it is what it is. ] Another girl came over in the morning that they met the day before, they sent her to the market, she came back, cooked breakfast, then gave him BBBJ. Another girl that didn't even get 1000 pesos.

BTW, I found out today that the reason that guy is such a good haggler is that he is flat broke now. One week vacation in Sosua and he brought enough money for one day's worth of fun. Not smart. Now he is trying to get his friend to loan him money and has the nerve to get pissed when his friend said no. I ditched this scene immediately as I don't want to get caught up in that drama or have him try and ask me which is inevitable. Best of luck to him and Wester Union connects but I sure feel bad for his bud that is stuck with him. Dude just spent his last pesos on a chicken dinner and got pissed cause his bud won't buy him a Pepsi to wash it down with LOL. What a leach.[/QUOTE]Very good, detailed report Trace79 and thanks for taking the time out of your trip to post some info.

Keep your eye on the broke guy: this will be the dude that gets locked up for trying to get free pussy (telling her he has the money when he doesn't have a nickle to his name) , LOL!

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1453518]Like the recent post, I've been in Sosua over a day now so I'll tell you guys what I've seen so far.

For one, there aren't quite as many girls as back in Feb but this is slow season I suppose and I'm not saying that they are few in number, they're everywhere. Day time action is a little slow, but you can still find dimes on the beach or on the street. Just have to take a walk. However, even though there are less chicas, there are far less mongers here as well; so it more than evens out-strangely though, Rick is completely booked in all his establishments. It is literally a buyers market right now. Yesterday, I was taking a couple of first-timers around and telling them everything I learned from last trip as well as this board. These guys were in heaven and I had to consistently tell them to slow their roll-they were trying to get every number from almost every girl they passed by. Within an hour they collected close to twenty numbers! One of the guys was a real haggler and was constantly getting girls to come down to 1000 pesos short time and a few were willing to do 1500 for anal. If it matters, this guy was young thirties, in good shape, and pretty good looking. Myself, I wasn't settling for anything the first night. For one, I want to feel the girls out and get a good one [more than enough time for that, ] and two, my dick is still raw from screwing the day before I left LOL. Anyway, one of the dudes took a girl to a ST hotel that she had already and we waited at the bar while he did his thing. 1500 pesos, BBBJ, and somewhat mechanical in the sack from what he said. Other guy scored an hour-glass dime out of D'latins for 2000 pesos TLN. Speaking of D'latins. The place was crawling with smoking hot women. A lot of the hottest girls seemed to be coming from Santiago for some reason; lighter skinned girls. I did notice a few of the stunners had shit attitudes and quickly told my new buds to drop that chic. There were just too many to choose from. So end the night they both take a chica back to Trade Winds where they were staying; one was TLN like I mentioned and the other took a nice looking haitian girl for 1500 pesos. No complaints from either of them next day. This morning however, all those numbers they collected payed off. The good looking guy had a girl from CMP come during the day to fuck his brains out and he only payed her 700 pesos [long story short with this one is he spent a lot of time with her last night and she may really like him cause he said she never even asked for money. Yeah that is too low and I am sure you are thinking the same I am now that she was expecting more and should have got it but it is what it is. ] Another girl came over in the morning that they met the day before, they sent her to the market, she came back, cooked breakfast, then gave him BBBJ. Another girl that didn't even get 1000 pesos.

BTW, I found out today that the reason that guy is such a good haggler is that he is flat broke now. One week vacation in Sosua and he brought enough money for one day's worth of fun. Not smart. Now he is trying to get his friend to loan him money and has the nerve to get pissed when his friend said no. I ditched this scene immediately as I don't want to get caught up in that drama or have him try and ask me which is inevitable. Best of luck to him and Wester Union connects but I sure feel bad for his bud that is stuck with him. Dude just spent his last pesos on a chicken dinner and got pissed cause his bud won't buy him a Pepsi to wash it down with LOL. What a leach.

Going back to it being a buyers market, there was a guy sitting at Rocky's as we were all checking in with Rick that told us that girls are desperate right now and you can really get a good deal. That dude proved it right the first day.

CMP report: place is packed with girls and a lot of them are really, really hot! Some of them still not so much, but there is variety for sure. Some I recognize from Passions last trip. Also, since PAssions is closed, the brothel mongers have migrated to CMP. There's not a lot of them but from last night, and me just coming back from there today, I'd say about 4-6 dudes at any given time give or take. The price for TLN has gone up to 4000 pesos even late at night. However, it is completely doable to get these girls off the clock for cheaper. Main reason I went there to try and get my head-monster to meet up outside that place.

MAry Rose: Very nice place but respectively far from the action. As others have mentioned this can be a good thing because like Chris Long has said, there are girls walking around that neighborhood that live in that bario. So you can see them in the daylight and even score some easy hook-ups without traveling far. As far as the distance, motoconcho sure helps but you can walk to the main strip or the beach in about 15 minutes. Apartment is clean, new, nice appliances, nice flatscreen TV with tons of english channels, good wifi in apt 9 and near the pool. Nice patio furniture and pool are with nice plants and flowers. Shuttle service every two hours but it's kind of on Dominican time LOL. Ceiling fans kick some air so I don't even need A / C at night. A / C is only in the bedroom BTW. Bathroom is all nice tile, marble it looks like. Good couch, not like in Sosua Suites. Bed is very comfortable and cleaning crew seems to be efficient. It's all Ricks family so I feel pretty safe not having to worry about the safe being tampered with.

Trade Winds: Got to see my friends room and I wouldn't really recommend this place. It is far from the action [it's on the main street, and not Pedro Clisante main street. Like the one that goes to Cabarete, ] and is exactly the same style as Sosua Suites. Apartment type setup with a very uncomfortable couch. It is motoconcho all the way every time you want to get to the room and back.

That's it for now. Got a week left so I'll post more as I see it fit.

Adios[/QUOTE]Each time I have been to the DR I have met up with a Haitian chica that blew my mind. The one's I have had the pleasure of knowing were not pushy at all and really made me enjoy my self.

I can't hardly believe CMP is charging 4000 for service but it sounds like you have learned the game early off.

Take time to smell the rose's why you are there most people don't.

Sosua is always a buyers market. Most of us are so hyped we do not have the patients to negotiate. Exchanging numbers is always a good thing. When the ladies need the money and are ready to bargain they call. You feel like a movies star. The guy on vacation with no money on his first day should be a movie. He is going to be one hungry, horny and evil person. He may have to rob someone. Can you imagine sitting in Rumbas and DLatins and not being able to pull the trigger. Talk about torture. If I were him I would go home right away.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1453522]Very good, detailed report Trace79 and thanks for taking the time out of your trip to post some info.

Keep your eye on the broke guy: this will be the dude that gets locked up for trying to get free pussy (telling her he has the money when he doesn't have a nickle to his name) , LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1453518]Like the recent post, I've been in Sosua over a day now so I'll tell you guys what I've seen so far.

For one, there aren't quite as many girls as back in Feb but this is slow season I suppose and I'm not saying that they are few in number, they're everywhere. Day time action is a little slow, but you can still find dimes on the beach or on the street. Just have to take a walk. However, even though there are less chicas, there are far less mongers here as well; so it more than evens out-strangely though, Rick is completely booked in all his establishments. It is literally a buyers market right now. Yesterday, I was taking a couple of first-timers around and telling them everything I learned from last trip as well as this board. These guys were in heaven and I had to consistently tell them to slow their roll-they were trying to get every number from almost every girl they passed by. Within an hour they collected close to twenty numbers! One of the guys was a real haggler and was constantly getting girls to come down to 1000 pesos short time and a few were willing to do 1500 for anal. If it matters, this guy was young thirties, in good shape, and pretty good looking. Myself, I wasn't settling for anything the first night...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, your the first to give a good boots on the ground report since the closing of Passions, keep the updates coming, they are much appreciated.

Chris

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1453513]Good report and good luck![/QUOTE]ConquerorVal glad to hear that you are enjoying yourself (and so are the girls). It is reports like yours that remind me that I really don't see why prostitution should be illegal. The happiness you experienced is certainly a man thing and each male needs to experience this at least once.

Anyway wanted to remind you that there will be highs and there will be lows. For every quality provider there there are at least 3 putas and 1 ROBs. So you need to use your judgement and not just wishful thinking. WYSIWYG. What you see is what you get is not true there. Actually. That is part of the fun. The hunting for quality chicas, imagining them without their clothes, etc. All this makes the experience exciting and adds to the mystery.

Enjoy your days man. Sosua is certainly the promised land for males.

From today's Sosua News:

During the past few days employees of the 'town and country planning', commissioned by Mayor Ilana Neumann, are busy repairing sidewalks, repainting stained walls and painting traffic signs in the streets.

The entire tourist neighborhood El Batey, in particular the main road Pedro Clisante, is currently being taken care of and decorated. With this action the mayor wants to make the resort town of Sosúa more attractive for tourists.

[QUOTE=Trace79;1453518]BTW, I found out today that the reason that guy is such a good haggler is that he is flat broke now. One week vacation in Sosua and he brought enough money for one day's worth of fun. Not smart. Now he is trying to get his friend to loan him money and has the nerve to get pissed when his friend said no. I ditched this scene immediately as I don't want to get caught up in that drama or have him try and ask me which is inevitable. Best of luck to him and Wester Union connects but I sure feel bad for his bud that is stuck with him. Dude just spent his last pesos on a chicken dinner and got pissed cause his bud won't buy him a Pepsi to wash it down with LOL. What a leech.[/QUOTE]Great report, but what an odd story! Obviously he does not have a debit card to get cash from a bank account or a credit card to take a cash advance, so this could not have been entirely accidental state of affairs, or maybe he just intended to observe the scene and not participate. I don't blame the friend for not giving him a loan. Definitely best to avoid this scene, but maybe the guy will eventually find someone to sponge off.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1453473]Been in Sosua for about 24 hours, Soon enough I was approached by a lovely young Haitian girl, who was cuddly and all, and ended up spending the night with her. Actually she was consistently nice and sweet during the night as well. Paid her the going price of 3000 pesos and she was very happy. .[/QUOTE]The going price for all night with a DLatin girls is always 2000 pesos (sometime less for Haitians) only newbie pay more.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1453707]From today's Sosua News:

During the past few days employees of the 'town and country planning', commissioned by Mayor Ilana Neumann, are busy repairing sidewalks, repainting stained walls and painting traffic signs in the streets.

The entire tourist neighborhood El Batey, in particular the main road Pedro Clisante, is currently being taken care of and decorated. With this action the mayor wants to make the resort town of Sosúa more attractive for tourists.[/QUOTE]Yup, and as the pictures from Sosua News show, the section of Pedro Clissante between Dr. Rosen and Ayuntamiento is now two-way instead of one making it a bit easier for motoconchos coming from the west end of Pedro Clissante to get to the main block of bars or the beach without a long detour.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1453557]Thanks for the update, your the first to give a good boots on the ground report since the closing of Passions, keep the updates coming, they are much appreciated.

Chris[/QUOTE]Slow season?

It is the summer.

[QUOTE=Sebans;1453745]The going price for all night with a DLatin girls is always 2000 pesos (sometime less for Haitians) only newbie pay more.[/QUOTE]I seriously hope we don't get into this conversation again. It doesn't matter what "we" perceive the "going price" to be. If a chica says she wants 3000 for TLN and will not negotiate, she is going to hold out until she finds someone who will pay her this, or she will go home hungry. You will either go home with your dick in your hand, or hold out until you find someone who will take your 2000 TLN.

Has jack-shit to do with being a newbie.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1453799]I seriously hope we don't get into this conversation again. It doesn't matter what "we" perceive the "going price" to be. If a chica says she wants 3000 for TLN and will not negotiate, she is going to hold out until she finds someone who will pay her this, or she will go home hungry. You will either go home with your dick in your hand, or hold out until you find someone who will take your 2000 TLN.

Has jack-shit to do with being a newbie.[/QUOTE]Most D'Latins girls don't do TLN, they can make triple the money doing 3 St in a night.

[QUOTE=Sebans;1453745]The going price for all night with a DLatin girls is always 2000 pesos (sometime less for Haitians) only newbie pay more.[/QUOTE]Well I say the going price for all night with a girl from D'Latin is always 1000 pesos (same for Haitians). Only a newbie, a rich guy, or a fool would pay more than what I say.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453824]Only a newbie, a rich guy, or a fool would pay more than what I say.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the member's feedback, and will definitely take good advice to heart, but calling me a fool is not necessary. We are all on the same team. The previous reports indicated overnights are 3000 pesos. Live and learn. Thanks to this board, I will negotiate for a different price.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453824]Well I say the going price for all night with a girl from D'Latin is always 1000 pesos (same for Haitians). Only a newbie, a rich guy, or a fool would pay more than what I say.[/QUOTE]If there is such a thing as a "going price" it would be one that both sides would quickly accept and feel happy with their night's work. My guess is that 1000 pesos is on the lower side of the mean negotiated price for all-nighters.

Quite honestly I have no idea what the "going rate" for an all-nighter found at D'Latin would be, but I don't think the name of the bar where you meet the woman has any effect on the price if there is no salida or house fee. I imagine the price would be affected by a number of variables including how desirable the woman is, the time of the night, how many potential customers are around, the day of the week, how much the monger wants that particular girl and that girl only, and other factors, like whether the girl has a place to sleep. Of course if you just decide that you won't pay more than 1000, bait your hook, and see what you can land, that is fine too.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1453838]If there is such a thing as a "going price" it would be one that both sides would quickly accept and feel happy with their night's work.[/QUOTE]Exactly Frannie. There is nothing carved in stone. I have heard of people paying everything from 0 to 4000 pesos. The fact of the matter is that fair exchange is no robbery. Nobody should have a problem with what anyone else paid if the two parties who agreed on it don't have a problem with it. I vow not to let what another monger pays infringe on my game. Speaking of the same girl, you may get her for 2500 on Monday, then I come along on Tuesday and get her for 1500, then the next guy comes along on Wednesday and gets her for free. There may be no rhyme or reason; shit just works that way sometimes.

(CV, I was not calling you a fool. I was just clowning on Sebans for expressing that his way was the right way. There is more than one way to skin a cat, said the professional cat skinner.)

Heading back to my other home (Sosua) in a couple of weeks, and with all of this crackdown stuff going on, where does one get a good massage anymore since all the Haitian places closed down? I don't mean a rub and tug. The tug would be a bonus. I'm burnt out from working, and I need a real massage. Extras would be a bonus.

Thanks in advance, brothers.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1453832]I appreciate the member's feedback, and will definitely take good advice to heart, but calling me a fool is not necessary. We are all on the same team. The previous reports indicated overnights are 3000 pesos. Live and learn. Thanks to this board, I will negotiate for a different price.[/QUOTE]Not need to negotiate or ask how much she want to a girl in Sosua. This is putting yourself in a inferior position and make her feel as a prostitute. Just tell her how much you are going to give her on your way to your place or don't tell her anything and just give 2000 in the morning.

That's my way, But I never make the girl feel as a prostitute. And never take her I feel she is a hardened professional.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1453754]Yup, and as the pictures from Sosua News show, the section of Pedro Clissante between Dr. Rosen and Ayuntamiento is now two-way instead of one making it a bit easier for motoconchos coming from the west end of Pedro Clissante to get to the main block of bars or the beach without a long detour.[/QUOTE]Like that ever stopped them!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453464]Must be hot in there:[/QUOTE]Damn, is that Passions Peter?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453824]Well I say the going price for all night with a girl from D'Latin is always 1000 pesos (same for Haitians). Only a newbie, a rich guy, or a fool would pay more than what I say.[/QUOTE]This is what my average $1,000 peso TLN looks like. I'm not a fancy big spender type, but I do like real hair.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1453810]Most D'Latins girls don't do TLN, they can make triple the money doing 3 St in a night.[/QUOTE]Apparently Sebans has been going to a different D'Latins in a different Sosua. I especially like his advice about "do not negotiate because you will make the chica feel like a prostitute", LMBAO. You already have to worry about getting extorted by cops. Now he wants you to "don't say shit about money until in the morning" and risk enraging a puta who turns your hotel room upside down because she feels she's been swindled!

Frannie, C Pooter, what are your thoughts on this "No Negotiation" strategy brilliantly laid out by Sebans?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453850]Nobody should have a problem with what anyone else paid if the two parties who agreed on it don't have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]You're right Mr. E. That is my philosophy, and I appreciate your postscript

After spending time in the DR it is always hell going home I get my confidence built up really high by the chica's being so easy to get with then I go home on cloud 9 thinking maybe I really do still have it then the 1st hot chick I think I have vibes with I go for it just to be shot down. That brings me back to reality where I was before with no Pussy.

Wish I was there now

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1453860]Heading back to my other home (Sosua) in a couple of weeks, and with all of this crackdown stuff going on, where does one get a good massage anymore since all the Haitian places closed down? I don't mean a rub and tug. The tug would be a bonus. I'm burnt out from working, and I need a real massage. Extras would be a bonus.

Thanks in advance, brothers.[/QUOTE]M and M massage, ask for Luz Maria. Located in the plaza to the left of Banco popular.

It is exactly 11:00 pm and I am getting a nice buzz from drinking brandy and listening to Reggeaton all by my lonesome before heading out to the clubs. One thing that bothers me is the younger members who comment negatively on the middle aged punters. I just crossed the 50 year border. Runner, good shape, ex frat boy and I read some of the comments about the drooling middle aged guys. Now, these guys probably never paid for pussy in their 20s or 30s. They had to work hard and get it free, especially in North America. They get the last laugh. They look at the young guys and think, I never paid for this. People get married, get stressful jobs, gain weight, loose family members. Shit / life happens. There was no internet, cheap flights so all I am saying is, if you are lucky to live long enough to middle age, show some respect and no ageist remarks. In Asia, older guys are viewed positively, and even here in Sosua no one asked my age even when I asked how old the chica was. This is very much a North American phenomenon-the ageist thing! That sucks. I think my Haittian girl just tried to contact me, and my wife and daughter are missing me. Life is complicated, short and good-as it should be.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1453959]M and M massage, ask for Luz Maria. Located in the plaza to the left of Banco popular.[/QUOTE]I second that. M&M has been consistent with having the best legit massages.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1453949]After spending time in the DR it is always hell going home I get my confidence built up really high by the chica's being so easy to get with then I go home on cloud 9 thinking maybe I really do still have it then the 1st hot chick I think I have vibes with I go for it just to be shot down. That brings me back to reality where I was before with no Pussy.

Wish I was there now[/QUOTE]In my days of going to Hedonism in Negril, we would refer to the leaving of paradise (Hedo) as DIF. Dreaded island fever. That shitty feeling you have as you realize you're going back to hell. I mean reality!

[QUOTE=Llttf;1453959]M and M massage, ask for Luz Maria. Located in the plaza to the left of Banco popular.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Is she good looking, and does she do extras?

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1453960]It is exactly 11:00 pm and I am getting a nice buzz from drinking brandy and listening to Reggeaton all by my lonesome before heading out to the clubs. One thing that bothers me is the younger members who comment negatively on the middle aged punters. I just crossed the 50 year border. Runner, good shape, ex frat boy and I read some of the comments about the drooling middle aged guys. Now, these guys probably never paid for pussy in their 20s or 30s. They had to work hard and get it free, especially in North America. They get the last laugh. They look at the young guys and think, I never paid for this. People get married, get stressful jobs, gain weight, loose family members. Shit / life happens. There was no internet, cheap flights so all I am saying is, if you are lucky to live long enough to middle age, show some respect and no ageist remarks...[/QUOTE]Apologies in advance for including the whole quote. Hard to edit on my phone.

What he said.

You're spot on with everything you said. I didn't pay for it years ago either, or so I thought, as most of us do. I paid with time, which back then didn't have the same value it has today. I have very little of it now, and spending it bullshitting a chick to get the panties ranks waay down on my list.

Now, I have an enlightened perspective. I'm not paying for pussy. I'm paying for the privilege of sending you away when I'm done. No worries about busting a nut, and then trying to figure out how to get you gone, so I can get a good nights sleep. I paid for you to leave already.

[QUOTE=Sebans; 1453877]Not need to negotiate or ask how much she want to a girl in Sosua. This is putting yourself in a inferior position and make her feel as a prostitute. Just tell her how much you are going to give her on your way to your place or don't tell her anything and just give 2000 in the morning.

That's my way, But I never make the girl feel as a prostitute. And never take her I feel she is a hardened professional.[/QUOTE]Sebans, I don't know how much of a veteran you are. Not telling her a rate before you take her to your room can mean disaster. Here are two examples why:

1) Once I a took a girl TLN without deciding a rate. After 1 hr and 1st pop she demanded 2,500 pesos. I was willing to pay 1,500 but she was good enough for 2,000 in my opinion. In any case I did not like the fact the fact that I was being robbed. So I resisted and the thing escalated into blows and shouting in my room. She attempted to damage my electronics and other personal items and this could have cost me $1,500 for items such as my iPad, laptop etc. Any case. I tried to cool down the situation but I had sent this puta into full-blown combat mode. She stopped throwing blows at me, threw the 1,500 pesos in my face and threatened to send the mafioso on me. She challenged me to walk Pedro Clisante at night. In the heat of the moment I kicked her out of the room. Then I thought the situation over. The difference we were arguing over was $25 or so. I did not want to get stabbed in a foreign country over lunch money so I went to street outside my hotel where she still was standing around. She saw me and I gave her the money and she immediately apologized and hugged me and kissed me. I got a lot more mileage out of this situation than I paid for. Free sex, a tour of Sosua and nearby places, etc. And general GFE the following day with free sex etc. However the situation could have been bad. E. G. What if she had not decided to wait outside my hotel? In general it is best to set expectations before the salida.

2) Exactly opposite situation: I picked up a girl in Classicos who seemed to be very depressed and she was dressed more ordinarily than the other putas. After partying for 6 days I had seen all the chicks and this girl was a new one so I went for her. Bought her a drink and she kept telling me how nice a guy I was etc. Etc. I cut the crap and took her to my room. She told me that she cannot spend full night me because she has to get back to her kid. I did not mind that at all. Back in the room she was a good kisser and decent GFE. Not so good at foreplay etc. But was willing to do BBBJ but I declined. She had a bit of hair down there and I am not talking about just a landing strip but also a mid-sized airport here. After that she asked me if I wanted to enter her. As I reached for a condom she told me we did not need one as she was using pills. I declined again and the first thought that came to my mind was. WTF! After 20-30 minutes of sex in some positions I came. It was not that enjoyable as she did not seem to be into it. In any case as she was dressing up she leaned in to kiss. And she asked me "will I see you tomorrow?". I replied "maybe" and she seemed quite disappointed by my reply. She got back to that angry, depressed self that she looked like earlier at the club. I knew this girl had problems but did not ask. Experience has taught me not to get involved with puta troubles. So as she was dressing herself I left something like 1,200 pesos on the table next to her phone, purse, etc. As she left she did not pick up the money but asked me for money for taxi. I pointed to the money on the table and she walked over and picked up 100 pesos or something and left the rest there. I told her the entire amount was for her. She did not understand. I explained again and I could see the anger coming on to her face. She shouted at me "What do you think I am? Do you think I am a prostitute?" She spat at me (really. First time I have been on the receiving end) and threw even the taxi money in my face and walked away in a huff. She was actually a normal girl and I had treated her like a prositute. I followed her and convinced her to keep 500 pesos. Making excuses such as 'clothes for your kid', etc. Got her a taxi and handed the driver the taxi fare and told him to take her home safely etc.

A lot of the experiences have been ok but these two stories reflect the spectrum of trouble one can get into when you do not decide upon a rate beforehand.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1432282]Hello O, nice pics, thanks. Any chance for contact info? Love those boobs. Much obliged.[/QUOTE]I know what you like, bro. I would probably have to break my 1,000 peso rule on her. She got some skills.

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x104xjm_dominican-poison-mizz-izzy-luscious_redband?search_algo=2[/url]

[quote=readytogetonit;1453860]heading back to my other home (sosua) in a couple of weeks, and with all of this crackdown stuff going on, where does one get a good massage anymore since all the haitian places closed down? i don't mean a rub and tug.[/quote]actually you would not have gotten a decent massage at any of the haitian places as none of them had trained massage therapists. there is a girl called yosmari in the delfin building directly in front of the large playero supermarket who does a decent massage, also kika massage, or m&m massage, as mentioned. another place i don't remember the name, but it is close to the back entrance to casa marina, at the bottom of the hill. of course the quality of massage changes all the time with the turnover of employees, so best to find a girl who does it the way that makes you feel good and then stick with her.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1453982]Apologies in advance for including the whole quote. Hard to edit on my phone.

What he said.

You're spot on with everything you said. I didn't pay for it years ago either, or so I thought, as most of us do. I paid with time, which back then didn't have the same value it has today. I have very little of it now, and spending it bullshitting a chick to get the panties ranks waay down on my list.

Now, I have an enlightened perspective. I'm not paying for pussy. I'm paying for the privilege of sending you away when I'm done. No worries about busting a nut, and then trying to figure out how to get you gone, so I can get a good nights sleep. I paid for you to leave already.[/QUOTE]I agree too. I think I was 48 the first time I paid for sex and the reason was that I was able to get something that I could not get for free at that point in my life-casual sex with a beautiful younger woman-though I could still have had it for free with the cougars or the fatties. I think the exact amount that a man will be willing to pay depends on the width of the gap between what he can get for free and what he has to pay for. Right now I have an attractive young live-in and can get fairly attractive thirty-something Dominicanas for more-or-less free, so there is little incentive to pay unless I am seeking a specific kind of experience that would be hard to get.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1453982]You're spot on with everything you said. I didn't pay for it years ago either, or so I thought, as most of us do. I paid with time, which back then didn't have the same value it has today. I have very little of it now, and spending it bullshitting a chick to get the panties ranks waay down on my list.

Now, I have an enlightened perspective. I'm not paying for pussy. I'm paying for the privilege of sending you away when I'm done. No worries about busting a nut, and then trying to figure out how to get you gone, so I can get a good nights sleep. I paid for you to leave already.[/QUOTE]+1.

This guy gets it! Free pussy is usually not free at all if it is costing you gas, time, and two or three dinner dates just to get in her pants. Most of us are working professionals, so time is something we never have enough of. Paying for the priveledge of sex is far more convenient and cost effective for the majority of us.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1454141]+1.

This guy gets it! Free pussy is usually not free at all if it is costing you gas, time, and two or three dinner dates just to get in her pants. Most of us are working professionals, so time is something we never have enough of. Paying for the priveledge of sex is far more convenient and cost effective for the majority of us.[/QUOTE]+2. I have the time but don't want to waste my time, I'd rather be doing other things with my time.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1454141]+1.

This guy gets it! Free pussy is usually not free at all if it is costing you gas, time, and two or three dinner dates just to get in her pants. Most of us are working professionals, so time is something we never have enough of. Paying for the priveledge of sex is far more convenient and cost effective for the majority of us.[/QUOTE]We all pay for sex directly or indirectly, and indirectly usually cost a lot more. Most guys are getting killed with child support and it's an expensive nut that you have to make payments for the next 18 years.

[QUOTE=MS Clive; 1454018]Sebans, I don't know how much of a veteran you are. Not telling her a rate before you take her to your room can mean disaster. Here are two examples why:

A lot of the experiences have been ok but these two stories reflect the spectrum of trouble one can get into when you do not decide upon a rate beforehand.[/QUOTE]Yes, not telling her can be a problem and she can even think you should give her more and it happened me once.

Sometime, when in bed, during the action, the girl suddenly. Worried you might not have understood she was there for the money- is herself that ask if you are going to give her something after,

And once I told them, they felt at ease again.

But I like to pick up one girl and build a little of intimacy first, checking how she respond when I embrace her or give her a little kiss on the lips, and dropping her with an excuse if I feel she not as she should be.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1454222]+2. I have the time but don't want to waste my time, I'd rather be doing other things with my time.[/QUOTE]+3 I like my spare time alone, married twice, been there, etc.

[QUOTE=ZJudah; 1453500]Hey guys,

This is not meant to be a double post but I put in the Santo Domingo forum that ill be in Sosua around the 24th I'm a relative newb but from reading the forum it doesn't seem to matter. I went to Caberete once and visited Sosua twice (but I was with my girl). Going alone this time and I'm going for the gusto so to speak. Anybody going to be in the area?[/QUOTE]You will notice things by yourself that you never noticed with your girl.

Don't worry if you would like male conversation it will not be hard to find but I will be hoping that you will have no need for it due to many chica's or 1 great chica taking all your time.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1454267]You will notice things by yourself that you never noticed with your girl.

Don't worry if you would like male conversation it will not be hard to find but I will be hoping that you will have no need for it due to many chica's or 1 great chica taking all your time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response sir I appreciate it. I have a timeshare option and may stay at the Coconut Palms resort in Caberete. I stayed there last night and the accommodations were sufficient. I called and asked if they would allow a "friend" that I met (actually hoping to find and meet) into the resort. They said if they have an ID but no prostitutes allowed. Has anyone stayed here before is there any issue with bringing in the chicas?

[QUOTE=ZJudah;1453500]ill be in Sosua around the 24th . Going alone this time . Anybody going to be in the area?[/QUOTE]I presume from this that you are not staying in one of the usual monger hotels. If a loner, good places to meet guys are:

(1) Rocky's Bar for late breakfast from 11. 30am to 1. 00pm. Ask the manager Rick to introduce you to helpful ex-pats and other experienced mongers.

(2) On the Beach, assuming decent weather, from 2. 30pm (sometimes earlier) at casitas#144 (Ruby's Vulkan Bar) and #145 (Siempre Sol). I am not sure if I got those numbers exactly right, but that is near enough to find them. Usually a few ex-pats and regulars hanging out at these two adjacent bars if you need some pointers for you trip.

[QUOTE=MS Clive; 1454018]Sebans, I don't know how much of a veteran you are. Not telling her a rate before you take her to your room can mean disaster. Here are two examples why:

1) Once I a took a girl TLN without deciding a rate. After 1 hr and 1st pop she demanded 2, 500 pesos. I was willing to pay 1, 500 but she was good enough for 2, 000 in my opinion. In any case I did not like the fact the fact that I was being robbed. So I resisted and the thing escalated into blows and shouting in my room. She attempted to damage my electronics and other personal items and this could have cost me $1, 500 for items such as my iPad, laptop etc. Any case. I tried to cool down the situation but I had sent this puta into full-blown combat mode. She stopped throwing blows at me, threw the 1, 500 pesos in my face and threatened to send the mafioso on me. She challenged me to walk Pedro Clisante at night. In the heat of the moment I kicked her out of the room. Then I thought the situation over. The difference we were arguing over was $25 or so. I did not want to get stabbed in a foreign country over lunch money so I went to street outside my hotel where she still was standing around. She saw me and I gave her the money and she immediately apologized and hugged me and kissed me. I got a lot more mileage out of this situation than I paid for. Free sex, a tour of Sosua and nearby places, etc. And general GFE the following day with free sex etc. However the situation could have been bad. E. G. What if she had not decided to wait outside my hotel? In general it is best to set expectations before the salida.

2) Exactly opposite situation: I picked up a girl in Classicos who seemed to be very depressed and she was dressed more ordinarily than the other putas. After partying for 6 days I had seen all the chicks and this girl was a new one so I went for her. Bought her a drink and she kept telling me how nice a guy I was etc. Etc. I cut the crap and took her to my room. She told me that she cannot spend full night me because she has to get back to her kid. I did not mind that at all. Back in the room she was a good kisser and decent GFE. Not so good at foreplay etc. But was willing to do BBBJ but I declined. She had a bit of hair down there and I am not talking about just a landing strip but also a mid-sized airport here. After that she asked me if I wanted to enter her. As I reached for a condom she told me we did not need one as she was using pills. I declined again and the first thought that came to my mind was. WTF! After 20-30 minutes of sex in some positions I came. It was not that enjoyable as she did not seem to be into it. In any case as she was dressing up she leaned in to kiss. And she asked me "will I see you tomorrow?". I replied "maybe" and she seemed quite disappointed by my reply. She got back to that angry, depressed self that she looked like earlier at the club. I knew this girl had problems but did not ask. Experience has taught me not to get involved with puta troubles. So as she was dressing herself I left something like 1, 200 pesos on the table next to her phone, purse, etc. As she left she did not pick up the money but asked me for money for taxi. I pointed to the money on the table and she walked over and picked up 100 pesos or something and left the rest there. I told her the entire amount was for her. She did not understand. I explained again and I could see the anger coming on to her face. She shouted at me "What do you think I am? Do you think I am a prostitute?" She spat at me (really. First time I have been on the receiving end) and threw even the taxi money in my face and walked away in a huff. She was actually a normal girl and I had treated her like a prositute. I followed her and convinced her to keep 500 pesos. Making excuses such as 'clothes for your kid', etc. Got her a taxi and handed the driver the taxi fare and told him to take her home safely etc.

A lot of the experiences have been ok but these two stories reflect the spectrum of trouble one can get into when you do not decide upon a rate beforehand.[/QUOTE]In Haiti and the DR I would just kick their asses out. I never negotiated anything until I received the service because it may be worth more than I negotiated or it may be terrible. I never had a problem going to the security guy in the hotel and tell them to throw the ***** out. I never worried about her getting me mugged either. They are just blow harps trying to scare you. I have actually pulled up in front of police and told them I gave the girl a ride and now she want get out of my car. Had a policeman pull a girl out of the car by the hair

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1453980]Thanks. Is she good looking, and does she do extras?[/QUOTE]Luz Maria is very pretty and speaks reasonable english. M and M is a professional massage centre, extras are not offered but take-out may be available. When I am in Sosua I go there every day for a massage.

I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased. The Hotel is very poorly insulated so its hard to get a good nights sleep.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1454066]I know what you like, bro. I would probably have to break my 1, 000 peso rule on her. She got some skills.

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x104xjm_dominican-poison-mizz-izzy-luscious_redband?search_algo=2[/url][/QUOTE]We've been on the hunt for her like Moby Dick. The intel always leads to a dead end, we've had guys that lived in the north and south of the island tryin to find her. I'm guessing she's in NYC, can't see a chick that thick and healthy living in the DR, but if so she has to have others like her, ie. Sisters, cousins, aunts. LOL.

[QUOTE=Sebans; 1454255]Yes, not telling her can be a problem and she can even think you should give her more and it happened me once.

Sometime, when in bed, during the action, the girl suddenly. Worried you might not have understood she was there for the money- is herself that ask if you are going to give her something after,

And once I told them, they felt at ease again.

But I like to pick up one girl and build a little of intimacy first, checking how she respond when I embrace her or give her a little kiss on the lips, and dropping her with an excuse if I feel she not as she should be.[/QUOTE]Recently I've made the same mistake. I violated several rules nonetheless; having too much to drink anywhere but maybe Blackbeards can spell disaster. It's crazy how they pull that 2500 figure out of their ass , I'm guessing they try to pose as one of the hi class chicas listed on "the menu". I was pissed but I had to charge it to the game for being stupid.

Interesting. Female goes swimming with her Dominican Sanky Panky in Sosua Beach at 4 am and winds up drowning to death. She was reportedly drunk: [url]http://detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2754-muere-presuntamente-ahoga-una-turista-en-horas-de-la-noche-en-playa-sosua[/url]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1454361]Interesting. Female goes swimming with her Dominican Sanky Panky in Sosua Beach at 4 am and winds up drowning to death. She was reportedly drunk:

[url]http://detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2754-muere-presuntamente-ahoga-una-turista-en-horas-de-la-noche-en-playa-sosua[/url][/QUOTE]You should post this over at D R 1 to give those old hags a scare, LOL. All they do is talk shit about male sex tourist while trying to deny why they come to the DR so often.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1453960]It is exactly 11:00 pm and I am getting a nice buzz from drinking brandy and listening to Reggeaton all by my lonesome before heading out to the clubs. One thing that bothers me is the younger members who comment negatively on the middle aged punters. I just crossed the 50 year border. Runner, good shape, ex frat boy and I read some of the comments about the drooling middle aged guys. Now, these guys probably never paid for pussy in their 20s or 30s. They had to work hard and get it free, especially in North America. They get the last laugh. They look at the young guys and think, I never paid for this. People get married, get stressful jobs, gain weight, loose family members. Shit / life happens. There was no internet, cheap flights so all I am saying is, if you are lucky to live long enough to middle age, show some respect and no ageist remarks. In Asia, older guys are viewed positively, and even here in Sosua no one asked my age even when I asked how old the chica was. This is very much a North American phenomenon-the ageist thing! That sucks. I think my Haittian girl just tried to contact me, and my wife and daughter are missing me. Life is complicated, short and good-as it should be.[/QUOTE]Amen. I'm in your boat except for the "good shape" bit. Rarely monger these days for many reasons, but really enjoyed your post. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1454299]I presume from this that you are not staying in one of the usual monger hotels. If a loner, good places to meet guys are:

(1) Rocky's Bar for late breakfast from 11. 30am to 1. 00pm. Ask the manager Rick to introduce you to helpful ex-pats and other experienced mongers.

(2) On the Beach, assuming decent weather, from 2. 30pm (sometimes earlier) at casitas#144 (Ruby's Vulkan Bar) and #145 (Siempre Sol). I am not sure if I got those numbers exactly right, but that is near enough to find them. Usually a few ex-pats and regulars hanging out at these two adjacent bars if you need some pointers for you trip.[/QUOTE]I will be there 25. The first nights I will stay at Don Antonio. At daytime I go to the beach Siempre Sol with Herman and Tropica with Jos.

In the evening most time in Bar Central. I think that are good places to meet girls.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1454344]I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased. The Hotel is very poorly insulated so its hard to get a good nights sleep.[/QUOTE]That is what you are likely to find at the New Garden Hotel. Not always, but they tend to get that kind of clientele. The good news is that all the other hotels are much less likely to be playing host to this demographic at the same time you are there. It is not always wise to pay for a week upfront, because they are very unlikely to refund your money if you want to depart early.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1454344]I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased. [/QUOTE]This is the prime reason why I avoid this spot. Back in the day, it wasn't as bad but the crowd you described has increased considerably in Sosua. Too bad because the rooms are decent and I used to like to eat breakfast there.

I must be getting old because I can't relate to the Timberland boots in 90 degree weather look, or the dudes that brag about how many days in a row they popped bottles in D'Latin.

To each his own I guess!

I enjoy the expansion of my horizons that my cloistered suburban life does not afford me and find it ironic that I relate to my fellow countrymen of all stripes more closely abroad that I do back home. Having said that, I do realize that it can get wild and crazy at all hours but have found that it does not always originate from any particular demographic and that a good natured "shut the F. Up!" usually quietens things down.

The flip side is that, when you're not dipping your wick (which is pretty often at my age!) , there is no shortage of newly acquired "brodders from another muthas" around to hang out with, compare notes and exchange intel. The bonus for me is that I can work on getting schooled in, and acquiring an appreciation of, rap music which, after years of being stuck in a 60's time warp, fascinates me.

Peace

[QUOTE=Frannie;1454519]That is what you are likely to find at the New Garden Hotel. Not always, but they tend to get that kind of clientele. The good news is that all the other hotels are much less likely to be playing host to this demographic at the same time you are there. It is not always wise to pay for a week upfront, because they are very unlikely to refund your money if you want to depart early.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1454344]I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased. The Hotel is very poorly insulated so its hard to get a good nights sleep.[/QUOTE]I have no sympathy. If you read this (or any other board) you would know there is a risk of that happening. (I say "risk", because it is not always like that there. You take pot luck). Plenty of other good places to stay. I am not blasting those guys. If that is their idea of a good time and the management welcomes their custom, so be it. You and I can always go elsewhere.

If people are spending a lot of hard-earned cash on a vacation, it is worth investing some hours on research first. If you had read up here or elsewhere you would have gone somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1454344]I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased. The Hotel is very poorly insulated so its hard to get a good nights sleep.[/QUOTE]Be Warned.

Rio De Janeiro changed for ever when these type of people started going there in flocks. The City started to enforce its dormant anti prostitution laws (yeh, they do exist in Brazil!) when these thugs tried to turn the affluent Copacabana neighborhood into S. Central LA or Harlem. As a result, sex clubs were turned into museum, massage parlors into theaters, etc. (get the irony!). Those places that were left open still get a monthly 'visit' from the popo.

Will Sosua be next? Time will tell.

[QUOTE=ZJudah;1454297]I have a timeshare option and may stay at the Coconut Palms resort in Caberete.[/QUOTE]Is that the one about a mile before central Cabarete coming from Sosua? Up a slight slope? If so, hardly an ideal mongering location but if you have already paid for it.

If it is there, you will need a rental car or spend a fortune on taxis. Normally I recommend using publicos everywhere but, if it is the place I am thinking, I have a friend living there and she has been mugged twice (and slightly injured one of the times) while waiting for and getting out of publicos on that lonely stretch of road.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1454539]Is that the one about a mile before central Cabarete coming from Sosua? Up a slight slope? If so, hardly an ideal mongering location but if you have already paid for it.

If it is there, you will need a rental car or spend a fortune on taxis. Normally I recommend using publicos everywhere but, if it is the place I am thinking, I have a friend living there and she has been mugged twice (and slightly injured one of the times) while waiting for and getting out of publicos on that lonely stretch of road.[/QUOTE]Thats the one, stayed there twice. Its a nice place, with a big pool and good food. You can have girls there, they need to check their cedulars. I did a report on this place years ago. The second visit they upgraded me to the penthouse that had a wrap-around balcony and sea views. They gave one of the girls leaving the wrong ID and created a storm. They didn't seem to care and the girl without a ID was with me.

I always walked down to the road and motochonchos pass every minute. You can ride to Sosua for 50p-100p.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1454537]Be Warned.

Rio De Janeiro changed for ever when these type of people started going there in flocks. The City started to enforce its dormant anti prostitution laws (yeh, they do exist in Brazil!) when these thugs tried to turn the affluent Copacabana neighborhood into S. Central LA or Harlem. As a result, sex clubs were turned into museum, massage parlors into theaters, etc. (get the irony!). Those places that were left open still get a monthly 'visit' from the popo.

Will Sosua be next? Time will tell.[/QUOTE]Oh! It had nothing to do with Brazil getting the World cup in 2014, and the Olympics in 2016? I'm sure they wanted the world to view Brazil as a sex city. Blame it on the brothers if you want, but 99% of the people know it was because of getting the World cup and Olympics.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1454523]This is the prime reason why I avoid this spot. Back in the day, it wasn't as bad but the crowd you described has increased considerably in Sosua. Too bad because the rooms are decent and I used to like to eat breakfast there.

I must be getting old because I can't relate to the Timberland boots in 90 degree weather look, or the dudes that brag about how many days in a row they popped bottles in D'Latin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adinga;1454344]I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased. The Hotel is very poorly insulated so its hard to get a good nights sleep.[/QUOTE]

Chris Rock broke this down years ago (Bring the Pain):

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4[/url]

"Grand Opening, Grand Closing", LOL!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1454523]I must be getting old because I can't relate to the Timberland boots in 90 degree weather look, or the dudes that brag about how many days in a row they popped bottles in D'Latin.[/QUOTE]I can sympathize with you on that. Our first time in Sosua, one of my wingmen, who is actually Haitian, had on Timberland boots. We clowned his ass. I used to have a girlfriend in Panama. Her and a lot of other women in Panama would wear boots (even furry ones) as hot as it was there. And when she came to visit me in Atlanta, of course she had to shop for boots. A couple of weeks ago I was a the mall with my girl and her sister in Higuey and to my confusion my girl was eyeing some boots. The bottom line is that people no longer dress for the weather, they dress for fashion. We are just old now, and not with the times.

My brother's first time in Thailand we went into the club and I splurged and bought 2 bottles of Remy for $100 each to share with my friends. The only feeling I got was that of being $200 lighter in the wallet (especially since I already have a room full of alcohol). Needless to say, I won't be doing any shit like that again.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1454344]The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Its hard to get a good nights sleep.[/QUOTE]I don't know. I don't mind the wannabees. Honestly, I did not come to Sosua to sleep, but to party. I have missed three fucking breakfasts in the row, because the chicas would not leave before 11:00 am. Truly, I don't think the breakfast here is good value, if they cannot serve it at least until noon, considering the clientele. If you want a TLN from D'Latins you don't get here until 3:00 in the morning. I was up at 6:30 this am, after my second Haitian encounter left, and they do not serve the food until 8:00 am. WTF-should be 7:00 for those who get a chance for only couple of hours of sleep. I guess I did not come to Sosua to eat either. The American brothers in spite of their macho shit, are all friendly. I am more amused by it than annoyed. But it sounds like I am a minority. I was disappointed to hear what is happening in Brazil. Are these the same kind of guys-LA / NYC rap emulators.

I am still at NG, and my biggest disappointment is the chicas in here. I thought there would be a greater variety and it would be easier for freelancers to come in. I have seen the same girls all the time. Some of the other girls are outside the gate and as I am writing this on my porch a chica is waving at me from the door. Looks good from here, but got to save my leche. The pool in here in my opinion is a waste. I will not use it, as there is a beach five minutes from here. The security here is both annoying and professional. I guess it is to protect the clients, as definitely some of the girls are scammers, and I already have had my experiences in the first few days in here. I assumed the security would be at night only, and the girls could come in free on their own will during the day without the border police. I have mixed feelings about this. So don't come to NG for the chicas. On the positive side the rooms are nice, water is warm, three porn channels, great staff, and location is perfect. Sorry, maybe I should have put this in the Sosua hotels thread. Just wanted to comment on the Drake / JayZ followers.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal; 1454619]I don't know. I don't mind the wannabees. Honestly, I did not come to Sosua to sleep, but to party. I have missed three fucking breakfasts in the row, because the chicas would not leave before 11:00 am. Truly, I don't think the breakfast here is good value, if they cannot serve it at least until noon, considering the clientele. If you want a TLN from D'Latins you don't get here until 3:00 in the morning. I was up at 6:30 this am, after my second Haitian encounter left, and they do not serve the food until 8:00 am. WTF-should be 7:00 for those who get a chance for only couple of hours of sleep. I guess I did not come to Sosua to eat either. The American brothers in spite of their macho shit, are all friendly. I am more amused by it than annoyed. But it sounds like I am a minority. I was disappointed to hear what is happening in Brazil. Are these the same kind of guys-LA / NYC rap emulators.

I am still at NG, and my biggest disappointment is the chicas in here. I thought there would be a greater variety and it would be easier for freelancers to come in. I have seen the same girls all the time. Some of the other girls are outside the gate and as I am writing this on my porch a chica is waving at me from the door. Looks good from here, but got to save my leche. The pool in here in my opinion is a waste. I will not use it, as there is a beach five minutes from here. The security here is both annoying and professional. I guess it is to protect the clients, as definitely some of the girls are scammers, and I already have had my experiences in the first few days in here. I assumed the security would be at night only, and the girls could come in free on their own will during the day without the border police. I have mixed feelings about this. So don't come to NG for the chicas. On the positive side the rooms are nice, water is warm, three porn channels, great staff, and location is perfect. Sorry, maybe I should have put this in the Sosua hotels thread. Just wanted to comment on the Drake / JayZ followers.[/QUOTE]Most people stay at New Garden because of it's proximity to the Pedro Clisante. The Chicas and the pool are just add ons. Mostly no one uses either (the chicas there or the pool), but they are convenient to have in case you do decide to partake. The breakfast at New Garden is some of the best you will eat in all of Sosua. Even when I stayed at Terra Linda I would walk down to NG every morning and pay to have breakfast there. The free breakfast at Terra Linda is terrible.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1454539]Is that the one about a mile before central Cabarete coming from Sosua? Up a slight slope? If so, hardly an ideal mongering location but if you have already paid for it.

If it is there, you will need a rental car or spend a fortune on taxis. Normally I recommend using publicos everywhere but, if it is the place I am thinking, I have a friend living there and she has been mugged twice (and slightly injured one of the times) while waiting for and getting out of publicos on that lonely stretch of road.[/QUOTE]You know what I think you're right. I haven't paid for it I just have the option and I thought I might be saving money. It would be 250 for 7 days and I figured being a little bit outside the action would be beneficial for getting non-pros specifically picking up in the stores and bars etc. I snuck away and visited CMP once after asking my cabbie where the chicas were when my girl was sleep but it wasn't really my cup of team but I prefer a more intimate encounter. Have you guys had any luck picking up in Janet's or the large grocery store in Sosua? I saw some beautiful employees in there last time and I was so frustrated I was with my girl at the time. I didn't know what Sosua was at the time but this message board has definitely opened my eyes. I think I will actually stay closer to the action since with cabs or renting car I may not actually be saving staying in a resort that's a bit of a haul from everything.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1454299]I presume from this that you are not staying in one of the usual monger hotels. If a loner, good places to meet guys are:

(1) Rocky's Bar for late breakfast from 11. 30am to 1. 00pm. Ask the manager Rick to introduce you to helpful ex-pats and other experienced mongers.

(2) On the Beach, assuming decent weather, from 2. 30pm (sometimes earlier) at casitas#144 (Ruby's Vulkan Bar) and #145 (Siempre Sol). I am not sure if I got those numbers exactly right, but that is near enough to find them. Usually a few ex-pats and regulars hanging out at these two adjacent bars if you need some pointers for you trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply I appreciate it I should be there the morning of the 25th.

[QUOTE=SteviWonder13; 1454461]I will be there 25. The first nights I will stay at Don Antonio. At daytime I go to the beach Siempre Sol with Herman and Tropica with Jos.

In the evening most time in Bar Central. I think that are good places to meet girls.[/QUOTE]Alright this sounds good hopefully I'll run into you.

[QUOTE=SteviWonder13;1454461]I think that are good places to meet girls.[/QUOTE]If you mean, meeting girls in a club setting brothel then definitely. The great thing is that you get to see all the lovelies available, just standing there and looking pretty. The set up in Rumba does not appeal to me, so if you like Schnitzel (like I do) sit at the S? Stube place across D'Latins and watch the scene unfold. Its quite amazing, especially if you come from a sexually repressed country (which are most). Sit back, watch and sip on your Presidente brew.

In spite of my age, this is the first vacation trip I have taken on my own, and I cannot tell you how liberating it is. All my previous travels have been with my family. Being an introvert in nature, I thought it would be difficult, but pretty well all the mongers, are friendly and appear to be approachable. Honestly, I did not come here to bond with my male compatriots. I don't think I have held a conversation with a guy (outside of the diving instructors) for longer than few minutes, and I have been here for five days. It is all about independence, confidence (don't even need much of that in here) and the chicas. This place is perfect for single travellers, (and South East Asia). As one of the posters said let the chicas do all the talking (or crotch grabbing and grinding). Hold on to your wallet, pick your girl, and do the nasty. No Spanish, social skills required. The chicas will do all the work for you. You are guaranteed to get as much pussy as you can handle.

[QUOTE=ZJudah;1454297]Thanks for the response sir I appreciate it. I have a timeshare option and may stay at the Coconut Palms resort in Caberete. I stayed there last night and the accommodations were sufficient. I called and asked if they would allow a "friend" that I met (actually hoping to find and meet) into the resort. They said if they have an ID but no prostitutes allowed. Has anyone stayed here before is there any issue with bringing in the chicas?[/QUOTE]If they say they will let a girl that has I'd come in just tell the girl you pick to put some different clothes on. I am sure she will not have to go far to change.

I hear you about the limited breakfast hours. After a night of carousing at the bars and possibly After One and crashing at the break of dawn, you'd like to be able to get breakfast anytime you wake up like at Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok where the clientele could wake late in the afternoon and demand to be served their free specialty omelet breakfast with waffles.

Cheers

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal; 1454619]I don't know. I don't mind the wannabees. Honestly, I did not come to Sosua to sleep, but to party. I have missed three fucking breakfasts in the row, because the chicas would not leave before 11:00 am. Truly, I don't think the breakfast here is good value, if they cannot serve it at least until noon, considering the clientele. If you want a TLN from D'Latins you don't get here until 3:00 in the morning. I was up at 6:30 this am, after my second Haitian encounter left, and they do not serve the food until 8:00 am. WTF-should be 7:00 for those who get a chance for only couple of hours of sleep. I guess I did not come to Sosua to eat either. The American brothers in spite of their macho shit, are all friendly. I am more amused by it than annoyed. But it sounds like I am a minority. I was disappointed to hear what is happening in Brazil. Are these the same kind of guys-LA / NYC rap emulators...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1454587]Chris Rock broke this down years ago (Bring the Pain) :

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4[/url]

"Grand Opening, Grand Closing", LOL![/QUOTE]Haha, yeah. That is one of my favorites from C Rock!

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1454344]I just got back from a week at New Garden and was very dissappointed.

The NYC / LA rapper wannabees were blasting rap music, smoking weed and drinking Hennessey all day long.

Management had no control over these guys and let them do what ever they pleased.[/QUOTE]If I compare the Sosua of today to what it was when I first discovered it, it was mostly older guys that were mostly white guys from the USA, Canada, and Europe there. The demographic has changed, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I take it for what it is. It is something that was predictable but not preventable. Compared to back then, the American tourists seem younger and more urban now.

You can still have a great time in Sosua but the vibe has definitely changed. I remember the music being more of a mix in spots like Clasicos (which eventually began to change) and it was a treat when we heard someone like The Game or Biggie thrown into the mix. I didn't mind this because I know Sosua is a tourist spot, but I also like hearing the local stuff, as I would in places like Trinidad, Puerto Rico or anywhere else.

Recently, I sat in Winners Circle and 99. 9% of the songs played where N this or N that or N ain't worried about nuthin. The place is definitely starting to feel more and more like Black Bike Week to me. The music in D'Latin had a bit more diversity but N this and N that was still what stuck out to me. I know I'm getting old because I didn't even hear of French Montana until I went to Sosua, LOL.

So the bottom line on NG is,"it is what it is." The people at the hotel realize Black Bike Week is in town just like the club owners do and the music has adjusted to the clientele. Everyone has made the adjustment. Now only you have to adjust.

Primarily Dominicans pop bottles of Brugal. You've seen the vids of the young urban American crews spilling Ciroc on naked girls in the pool at the villa? Yeah, Brugal isn't good enough anymore. Americans are expected to pop the Cognac, Ciroc, Moet, etc. Get with the program!

Question for you experienced Sosua mongers, are all the female bartenders in Sosua available for some fun? As in renting them for services.

I believe the ones that work at the bars on Pedro Clisante are but how about places like Bailey's for example? So far Sosua has been a lot of fun, it was close to dead today (Sunday) during the daytime as I tried looking for some action earlier in the day, but late afternoon and early evening the scene becomes more busy.

Your right, this was my first trip to DR and with experience comes knowledge.

I will not return to the New Garden again.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1454535]I have no sympathy. If you read this (or any other board) you would know there is a risk of that happening. (I say "risk", because it is not always like that there. You take pot luck). Plenty of other good places to stay. I am not blasting those guys. If that is their idea of a good time and the management welcomes their custom, so be it. You and I can always go elsewhere.

If people are spending a lot of hard-earned cash on a vacation, it is worth investing some hours on research first. If you had read up here or elsewhere you would have gone somewhere else.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree anymore, Sir Charles you hit it, square on the m"head" people are on vacation, so they are going to let loose and let their hair "blow" back (" if they haven't lost it all by now) LOL! If you've done your research and Rtff, you would've tried Terra Linda or New Gardens (new wing) but it can get noisy there's as well, but not as much as the "old wing" I have my ticket and plan on hitting Sosua in October 12-17th, a quick 5 day trip. Hopefully someone's in the area, to say "what's up." I'll be at New Gardens and bring your "ear plugs" cause I'm loud! Ask Tomjackin his ears are still ringing. Lmao! Sosua is changing into a more main stream mongering destination. The hey-day is "completely gone. It's still an amazing place but its being transformed into a GFE, or get out your "black book" kind of place.

If you find a a "winner" get her number. My homie used to boast how he's never "watched re. Runs (bang the same chick twice). I on the other hand love a good classic re-runs like the movie "Predator" or Ice Cubes movie "Friday" I literially have watched that movie a hundred times or more. LOL! Now all of a sudden, he's keeping in contact with a few chicas via "what's app" free messaging service. And he's now telling me,"what a great idea to keep in contact with great performing chicas ahh okay!"what a concept" I m glad "HE" thought of it. So to you newbies, Sosua is priceless, go there and have fun, to get too drunk and stupid, Rtff, and you will have a blast! I 100% agree with my man Oldkool for the price and location you can't beat the value of Sosua, The hell with the nay sayyers and doom in gloom "sky is falling" negative mongers. I keep saying this is my last trip at 5 trips made. I want to explore Colombia, but maybe after this 12th trip, made to Sosua I'll finally hit Colombia.

I hate that we are talking about this topic yet again, but I just had this conversation yesterday with a friend of mine. He made the comment that the powers that be, are upset about the "young black guys who are taking over Sosua". Can one of you guys explain this to me. What is the difference?

15 years ago, white guys from Europe and the US went to the DR and drank alcohol, went to the beach and fucked Chicas. Now the demographics are young black males from the states. However, what are they doing any different than the white guys? The answer? NOTHING! Black men go to Sosua to hit the beach, drink alcohol and fuck chicas!

Its the same stupid bullshit I used to hear about Rio. Oddly, nobody said how Copa was being destroyed when the white guys used to drink beer, fuck garotas and listen to AC / DC all night in Club Help. But when black men bought bottles of champagne, fucked garotas and listened to hip hop, all of a sudden assholes came out of the woodwork to say how Copa is now ruined!

One last point, For all the dumb asses on the board. Help was closed because Rio got the World Cup and the Games, it had absolutely nothing to do with the color of the sex tourists that went to Help.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1454748]Now the demographics are young black males from the states. However, what are they doing any different than the white guys? The answer? [/QUOTE][url]http://youtu.be/uLhN6-gc34w[/url]

[QUOTE=Bravo;1454748]"young black guys who are taking over Sosua".[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100 percent. I enjoy watching any guy having fun with a girl, because I can relate to him regardless of his race or background. Men love pussy. End of the story, and lets get along.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1454752][url]http://youtu.be/uLhN6-gc34w[/url][/QUOTE]Your response is moot because of two factors.

1) There was no internet 15 years ago, when it was predominantly white men traveling. Now that there is an internet, I have seen plenty of videos that Italians and Germans have made on Rio & the DR floating around on the net. (Don't even get me started on all the videos on the Philippines and Thailand!)

2) I knew white guys who used to go to Carnival in Rio, video tape everything and then they would sell the VHS tapes back in the states as a side hustle.

So my question still stands. Why is it when white men go to foreign countries, drink alcohol and fuck exotic women, no one bats an eye. But when men of color do the SAME exact thing, all of a sudden, the world is coming to an end?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1454763] Why is it when white men go to foreign countries, drink alcohol and fuck exotic women, no one bats an eye. But when men of color do the SAME exact thing, all of a sudden, the world is coming to an end?[/QUOTE]

As long as you are not lumping all Black men into the same category I don't see anyone having any problems with men of color. The black mongers I know do not blast rap music from their hotel balconies at all hours of the night or dress like they are fresh off the set of a rap video. The black mongers I know you would never notice them but for their skin color.

I myself as a black man do as much as I can to not draw any attention to myself while in a foreign country. Can't say the same about these younger dudes. To say there is no difference in these two types of black men is not being honest with yourself.

Who was it that posted that there was this inner city basketball coach from NY (Kenny?) that was flying these young cats from the hood down to Rio, and they were down there pants sagging, slapping around h0es and not paying them?:

[QUOTE=Bravo;1401928][b]Trust me when I say that Kenny definitely helped to ruin Copa! He started bringing all those young and dumb ass kids that played in his basket ball league to Rio. All of sudden Copa was flooded with 20 year olds walking around with their pants sagging off their asses! Bringing boom boxes to the beach. They were walking around filming girls like it was Memorial day weekend in Miami, regular girls, not hoes! Fucking girls and then not paying them! Getting into arguements and slapping the females! All types of ghetto shit![/b]

The first time we saw him up in Classicos, both of my partners and I said "Damn! This motherfucker is down here now?" Sure enough 4 days later he sits next to us on the beach. Next thing you know he is bragging about how he is going to start throwing parties in Sosua for all these guys he is going to bring down. When we got back to the car, we all just started shaking our heads and saying "He has got to be the dumbest asshole that has ever been granted a fucking passport!". He spent time in a prison for doing the same shit in Rio and he hasntr learned a damn thing from the experience.

[b]Unfortunately, Sosua has already started the transition into becoming thug central[/b], so all Kenny can do is add more gasoline to the fire.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1454763]Your response is moot because

There was no internet 15 years ago, when it was predominantly white men traveling.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Like Chris Rock said. Open that book, LOL. There WAS internet 15 years ago. For example, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackvoices.com[/url]

In any event, you don't have to go back 15 years. The transition to the "New Sosua" occurred much more recently. There were guys making vids all the while. For instance this vid was posted in 2006 by a foreign guy who had a website with vids [url]http://youtu.be/iWkJuiBluI0[/url]

Matter of fact, this guy predates Cuba Dave, the big head yellow dude with glasses and all of those internet Sosua experts on the Net now. This guy might be a creep for all I know, but I give dudes like this credit for at least taking some interest in the culture: [url]http://youtu.be/FrxEGtTQkkA[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1454769]As long as you are not lumping all Black men into the same category I don't see anyone having any problems with men of color. The black mongers I know do not blast rap music from their hotel balconies at all hours of the night or dress like they are fresh off the set of a rap video. The black mongers I know you would never notice them but for their skin color.

I myself as a black man do as much as I can to not draw any attention to myself while in a foreign country. Can't say the same about these younger dudes. To say there is no difference in these two types of black men is not being honest with yourself.

Who was it that posted that there was this inner city basketball coach from NY (Kenny?) that was flying these young cats from the hood down to Rio, and they were down there pants sagging, slapping around h0es and not paying them? :[/QUOTE]And if you could show me anywhere in that post where I said that Kenny caused the closing of Help? Or any other post where I said it was because of the color of the tourists that caused Help to be closed. Kenny's era was 2001-2004, Help Disco didn't close until 2010.

Kenny did help to fuck up Rio because he brought "Young Brothas" down to Brasil who did not know how to act. EX: Not paying the girls after a session and then physically smacking them when the girls refused to leave the apartment. There is a major difference between young black men who never been out of the country and middle age men who have some life experience. Again, I can look on the internet and find young white men who acted a fool in other countries too, but the boards weren't going crazy about that.

Matter of fact, I took this picture a couple of months ago specifically for board members who always have negative things to say about how black men dress or act in Sosua. I observed a group of white men from America who had the VIP spot in DLatins. They were pouring vodka on the girls and then they started ripping each others shirts off. When security approached their table and told them to get dressed, they drunkenly tried to rip the security guards shirts off! After took the picture, I tapped my buddy on the arm and told him "You see this shit? You see how they are acting? But yet certain internet sites will complain that black men are messing up the DR by wearing Timbs or wife beaters! I wonder if any members will come on the board and lament how white men are destroying Sosua!" You will notice everyone in the picture is staring at these guys because they were acting up all night long.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1454806]And if you could show me anywhere in that post where I said that Kenny caused the closing of Help? Or any other post where I said it was because of the color of the tourists that caused Help to be closed. Kenny's era was 2001-2004, Help Disco didn't close until 2010.

Kenny did help to fuck up Rio because he brought "Young Brothas" down to Brasil who did not know how to act. EX: Not paying the girls after a session and then physically smacking them when the girls refused to leave the apartment. There is a major difference between young black men who never been out of the country and middle age men who have some life experience. Again, I can look on the internet and find young white men who acted a fool in other countries too, but the boards weren't going crazy about that..[/QUOTE]As a young black man.

Bravo, Bravo.

That's not true. The most hated and despised men in Thailand are the Brits that When they are in a vacation, don't know if it is for the new surrounding or what but they go completely crazy and star doing the most stupid and crazy things. As a result 250 of them die each year there.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1454748]"young black guys who are taking over Sosua"[/QUOTE]One historical note and this is not new information, as it has been pointed out by some of the more seasoned vets on the board, one thing that did happen with the demise of Rio and change in the demographic in Sosua is a much more hardened, short time, one hour, sport fuck mentality with the girls. So yeah, there is definitely a difference now! As others have pointed out, back in the day Sosua was much more relaxed and about TLNs. Not saying you can't get TLN, but it was the norm back then and the quality of that TLN was very good.

So what, you ask? Sosua is, what Sosua is. For the new jacks and semi new jacks all of this talk of what used to be and the heyday of Rio and or Sosua means nothing. You can't miss what you never had. It's just that some remember a different time. To blame it on one group is not fair, as there has been a convergence of events and changes that has led us to the present state of Sosua. We are given the present day Sosua to enjoy so lets do that! We have to move forward with what we have.

Some never thought Rio would get shut down; some never thought Boca Chica would get cleaned up; some never thought Times Square would get cleaned up. The day may come sooner or later when Sosua changes, for whatever reason, so we must enjoy it now, while we can and don't take it for granted. Even with some of the changes, it still beats any day back at the crib for most of us.

Flashback historical footnote *:

[[Posted by: wes Sep 5 2005, 05:57 AM.

I just recieved information from a very reliable sourse that the Notorious K- Boatride has just been paroled. He is still in Rio and staying at a friend's apartment-Probably his only friend.

Hopefully he and guys like him have learned a valuable lession-Mr Wes.

Posted by: xman Sep 5 2005, 11:02 AM.

Some of the locals, especially the girls now look at us differently. I could sense that when I hung out around Rio. I didn't mess VM this time for that same reason.

Serves him right and I did notice a considerable fewer BROTHERS in Copa. Most of the guys I saw were the regulars. Saw Mr Muscle Man riding his bike on Ave Atlantica.

Posted by: HoofHunter Sep 5 2005, 02:09 PM.

X. Explain what you mean by "Some of the locals, especially the girls now look at us differently. I could sense that when I hung out around Rio."

I notice that you've said it a couple of times. I think I understand what you mean, but just want to make sure. I haven't been to Rio since Nov. 2003. I knew back then that things were going down a negative stretch.

I'm glad "K-BoatRide" is finally out of jail. I sincerely doubt that he and dudes like him will take the hint of persona non-grata and just leave. ]]

i have never seen these young black guys being unruly in the clubs. they love to show off and be seen but how does that hurt anyone. i have seen young white guys pissy drunk throwing up and acting out in florida outings. when young =black guys hang out every one is hyper critical. many of these guys are college buddies. i know this because i have talked to some of the clics. they dress based on their peers not us. i have sons in there late 20s. they are great people and do not dress or listen to my music gringos do your sons and nephews dress or listen to the same music you do. rap music love or hate it is an international phenom, it is played and respected all over the world. the fact it is not on most gringo play list is ok but i have zero country on mine. the young bros are not thugs because they they wear loose cloths. unfortunately that is how they are portrayed in the media. big deal they play their music loud and late. so did we when we were young. in most cases they will not bite you. have a conversation you might learn something. african american culture is different then many aspects of white culture. having different styles is not a negative as long as we respect each other. many of us old farts are not giving the youngons any respect. the reason the guys are there is that black men love the look of black women the majority of dr ladies look like our pretty sisters here with good atitudes. young white guys are into white women so the dr is not as attractive to them. white guys are often surprised and upset when they are perceived as racist. it is how they are oriented in our country. the if it aint white it aint right perspective. i am closer to 60 then 50 and have lived with white folk all my life. i have learned that our differences are few but some folk focus on the differences way to much. we are all brothers one love one father

[quote=sebans;1454872]that's not true. the most hated and despised men in thailand are the brits that when they are in a vacation, don't know if it is for the new surrounding or what but they go completely crazy and star doing the most stupid and crazy things. as a result 250 of them die each year there.[/quote]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1455021]I have never seen these young black guys being unruly in the clubs. They love to show off and be seen but how does that hurt anyone. I have seen young white guys pissy drunk throwing up and acting out in florida outings.

Big deal they play their music loud and late. So did we when we were young.[/QUOTE]This is true. I am of British origin, but I avoid British tourists like the plague in places like the DR for the reasons given above.

I agree with most of what you say, except to add that use of marijuana is illegal in the DR and it seems a bit contrarian to travel to a place where prostitution is legal, only to openly break the drug laws, creating a potential for legal problems. From a legal point of view Amsterdam might be a safer destination to combine marijuana and paid sex.

As far as loud music goes, the question is more about what is acceptable in hotels. If New Garden decides to tolerate personal music loud and late, that is their business decision and they should make all guests aware of their policy. Would it be tolerated at the Days Inn near Fort Lauderdale airport? Probably not.

In the US smoking weed is like Diving to fast in the US. Many people including me indulge. Growing up in my generation black white almost everyone I knew smoked weed in college. I do not drink. I hate the taste of beer. However I enjoy a weed buzz very much. The pleasure of being in Classicos hearing the music and seeing the hot babes with a buzz was a priceless moment. What floats your boat is a personal choice. I have not seen them openly smoking cause I would have asked for a tote. LOL As long as it is done in private I see no issue.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1455045]This is true. I am of British origin, but I avoid British tourists like the plague in places like the DR for the reasons given above.

I agree with most of what you say, except to add that use of marijuana is illegal in the DR and it seems a bit contrarian to travel to a place where prostitution is legal, only to openly break the drug laws, creating a potential for legal problems. From a legal point of view Amsterdam might be a safer destination to combine marijuana and paid sex.

As far as loud music goes, the question is more about what is acceptable in hotels. If New Garden decides to tolerate personal music loud and late, that is their business decision and they should make all guests aware of their policy. Would it be tolerated at the Days Inn near Fort Lauderdale airport? Probably not.[/QUOTE]

[quote=oldkool;1455076]in the us smoking weed is like diving too fast in the us.[/quote]you are ok until you hit the bends?

i don't know what part of the us you are from, but in florida smoking weed is taken fairly seriously. for example many employers insist on pre-employment testing and during employment too, and in many licensed professions any kind of drug conviction can get you into all kinds of trouble, probation, etc. a marijuana possession conviction also comes with a two-years driver's license suspension, whereas a first or second offense speeding would only be a fine, though fairly stiff if you are going very fast.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1455076]In the US smoking weed is like Diving to fast in the US. Many people including me indulge. Growing up in my generation black white almost everyone I knew smoked weed in college. I do not drink. I hate the taste of beer. However I enjoy a weed buzz very much. The pleasure of being in Classicos hearing the music and seeing the hot babes with a buzz was a priceless moment. What floats your boat is a personal choice. I have not seen them openly smoking cause I would have asked for a tote. LOL As long as it is done in private I see no issue.[/QUOTE]That shit they have in the DR is less of a grade than Mexican dirt weed, LOL. It is straight up trash.

I don't have any problem with Mary Jane either, but for employment purposes I can't fuck with it. For me it boils down to:

-Being broke, hella weed to smoke, no pussy (mongering)

or

-Having lots of money, lots of pussy (mongering) , no weed

I love pussy too much to lose a very good paying job behind some bullshit (weed), LOL! Lucky for those who can have the best of both worlds.

Suicide. Straight Up.

If only it was "cool" it would be an amazing place for it. I love nature and a good buzz. Lots of NATURE in Sosua.

In the DR they look at Heroin and Weed as the same thing. No Difference. A drug is a drug.

This is where the danger lies.

I do not smoke much so I do not need the potent stuff and have been retired for last 3 years. You are right about the local stuff. It is very ragged but they give you a lot for a little. Many of the Haitian girls smoke and will hook you up. They generally do not have relationships with local authorities. I have assumed the risk on a few occasions and have enjoyed the experience. Not to mention my dance skills are enhanced 100% One of the best times was being in a cabana in a shower with a 25 year old non pro. The music, the enviroment and the buzz unforgetable. You have to be a risk taker to be a monger. I try to be very discreet and get the most out of my experience. Classicos with buzz priceless.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1455122]Suicide. Straight Up.

If only it was "cool" it would be an amazing place for it. I love nature and a good buzz. Lots of NATURE in Sosua.

In the DR they look at Heroin and Weed as the same thing. No Difference. A drug is a drug.

This is where the danger lies.[/QUOTE]

I'm young and black. I too wish my age group would just stop uploading videos and inviting more of their ignorant, loud mouthed friends. I'll be honest and most of you are probably thinking about this too. I want to keep certain monger destinations to both myself and other mongers who don't feel the need to be posting their tricking for the whole world to see. It's not something to be proud of outside of your monger circle. Call it selfish but when the whole world knows, this is what happens. However, I don't agree with what these other mongers who love to dress up their closeted prejudice with words like 'thugs'. It's not an inside joke. Everyone knows what group you're talking about, and you just look stupid. Get over it. It is what is. This is the age we all live in now. The best we can do is educate these young men and tell them that what they are doing is ruining future mongering for all of us. To be low key. Will they listen? I don't know, but it can't hurt to try instead of complaining about the good old days on a messaging board.

[quote=frannie; 1455089]you are ok until you hit the bends?

i don't know what part of the us you are from, but in florida smoking weed is taken fairly seriously. for example many employers insist on pre-employment testing and during employment too, and in many licensed professions any kind of drug conviction can get you into all kinds of trouble, probation, etc. a marijuana possession conviction also comes with a two-years driver's license suspension, whereas a first or second offense speeding would only be a fine, though fairly stiff if you are going very fast.[/quote]where i live possession under an ounce is in fact similar to a traffic fine, a civil offense. i have my mmj card so i can possess and grow legally, a wonderful thing. i don't work so i don't have to worry about being tested. i don't touch the stuff when i travel for two reasons, one being the legal ramifications and in the dr they are severe and the other reason is the shit they have in the dr is garbage compared to the dank i grow, lol.

[QUOTE=Sebans;1454872]That's not true. The most hated and despised men in Thailand are the Brits that When they are in a vacation, don't know if it is for the new surrounding or what but they go completely crazy and star doing the most stupid and crazy things. As a result 250 of them die each year there.[/QUOTE]This is the absolute truth!

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1455122]Suicide. Straight Up.

If only it was "cool" it would be an amazing place for it. I love nature and a good buzz. Lots of NATURE in Sosua.

In the DR they look at Heroin and Weed as the same thing. No Difference. A drug is a drug.

This is where the danger lies.[/QUOTE]This is so true. When travelling to other countries, one should be very cognizant of the local tolerance for drugs. In the DR, drugs, even Marijuana are a huge deal. It's just not worth it to mess with the stuff down there. You have all your time in the USA or wherever you're from to smoke reefer. I think one can do without out for a few days while on vacation.

Just my 2 cents.

I have heard of guys getting caught with weed and the cops shaking them down and giving the weed back. It would not want to be in that position. Truth is at my age and with my demeanor I look like the last guy they would suspect to have weed. I look like FiveO or a businessman and that is how I am treated. I was surprised that the % of users among the girls is low. Haitian girls seem to me more open but like you said some DR chicas act like it is horse. Just like at home I am very careful.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1455122]Suicide. Straight Up.

If only it was "cool" it would be an amazing place for it. I love nature and a good buzz. Lots of NATURE in Sosua.

In the DR they look at Heroin and Weed as the same thing. No Difference. A drug is a drug.

This is where the danger lies.[/QUOTE]

people just need to let it go. sosua is what it is and it won't be what it was so complaining about the "brothas" ain't going to change that. time and time again these guys are labeled "ghetto thugs" but the reality is the real ghetto thugs rarely leave their neighborhoods much less their cities. they most certainly don't get passports and travel to foreign countries. how these guys roll on vacation may not be to everyone's taste. hell, as a black man in his 40s some of it annoys me because it does affect how i do business when i am trying to contract some pay for play pussy. however, i have experienced the same issues in places like lima and cartagena that didn't see an influx of young black guys from new york. for most part these guys are usually just playing out a fantasy. for a few days out of the year they get to play like their favorite rapper or nba baller. minor league stuff compared to some of the coke fueled misadventures of middle aged wannabe hard men in places like colombia, peru and costa rica.

[quote=oldkool;1455021]i have never seen these young black guys being unruly in the clubs. they love to show off and be seen but how does that hurt anyone. i have seen young white guys pissy drunk throwing up and acting out in florida outings. when young =black guys hang out every one is hyper critical. many of these guys are college buddies. i know this because i have talked to some of the clics. they dress based on their peers not us. i have sons in there late 20s. they are great people and do not dress or listen to my music gringos do your sons and nephews dress or listen to the same music you do. rap music love or hate it is an international phenom, it is played and respected all over the world. the fact it is not on most gringo play list is ok but i have zero country on mine. the young bros are not thugs because they they wear loose cloths. unfortunately that is how they are portrayed in the media. big deal they play their music loud and late. so did we when we were young. in most cases they will not bite you. have a conversation you might learn something. african american culture is different then many aspects of white culture. having different styles is not a negative as long as we respect each other. many of us old farts are not giving the youngons any respect. the reason the guys are there is that black men love the look of black women the majority of dr ladies look like our pretty sisters here with good atitudes. young white guys are into white women so the dr is not as attractive to them. white guys are often surprised and upset when they are perceived as racist. it is how they are oriented in our country. the if it aint white it aint right perspective. i am closer to 60 then 50 and have lived with white folk all my life. i have learned that our differences are few but some folk focus on the differences way to much. we are all brothers one love one father[/quote]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1455021]Having different styles is not a negative as long as we respect each other.[/QUOTE]Kudos sir!

[QUOTE=Lazy Monger;1455207]People just need to let it go. Sosua is what it is and it won't be what it was so complaining about the "brothas" ain't going to change that. Time and time again these guys are labeled "ghetto thugs" but the reality is the real ghetto thugs rarely leave their neighborhoods much less their cities. They most certainly don't get passports and travel to foreign countries. How these guys roll on vacation may not be to everyone's taste. Hell, as a black man in his 40s some of it annoys me because it does affect how I do business when I am trying to contract some pay for play pussy. However, I have experienced the same issues in places like Lima and Cartagena that didn't see an influx of young black guys from New York. For most part these guys are usually just playing out a fantasy. For a few days out of the year they get to play like their favorite rapper or NBA baller. Minor league stuff compared to some of the coke fueled misadventures of middle aged wannabe hard men in places like Colombia, Peru and Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]Does it really matter anymore, Once Sosua gets there Cruise Ship Port and the Real Tourist Dollars start to flow in. You can kiss Sosua good bye. Most of these countries are trying to crack down on being labeled a sex tourism destination.

As the USA will cut primary Aid. So enjoy all the mongering has to offer because our days are numbered.

[QUOTE=ZeroSR;1455130]complaining about the good old days on a messaging board.[/QUOTE]We won't be talking about how much we miss Clasicos anymore because we now have great places like this: [url]http://youtu.be/JBMBzF3M0lg[/url]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1455250]We won't be talking about how much we miss Clasicos anymore because we now have great places like this:

[url]http://youtu.be/JBMBzF3M0lg[/url][/QUOTE]How much is anyone willing to bet that those were all promotional models and you will not see the same chicas if you visit, LOL. Nice video production quality though.

The comments guys left are funny as hell! Best comments:

"Whats the Point of Popping Bottles to Impress Hookers?. At the end of the day you still got to pay for pussy."

"You are so right. I went to Sosua a few months ago and some clown as ni**a that came with my boy got set up by one of these chicas. He was walking around with expensive jewelry on and buying random b!tches drinks in the club that he didn't even fuck. He negotiated with a chica for 2000 pesos and after he hit the b!tch flipped the script and said no I want 4000 Pesos. B!tch ended up calling the cops and he ended up paying her and the cops what they wanted to stay out of jail."

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1455252]How much is anyone willing to bet that those were all promotional models and you will not see the same chicas if you visit, LOL. Nice video production quality though.

The comments guys left are funny as hell! Best comments:

"Whats the Point of Popping Bottles to Impress Hookers. At the end of the day you still got&65279; to pay for pussy."

"You are so right. I went to Sosua a few months ago and some clown as ni*a that came with my boy got set up by one of these chicas. He was walking around with expensive jewelry on and buying random&65279; be! Tches drinks in the club that he didn't even fuck. He negotiated with a chica for 2000 pesos and after he hit the be! Tch flipped the script and said no I want 4000 Pesos. B! Tch ended up calling the cops and he ended up paying her and the cops what they wanted to stay out of jail."[/QUOTE]The Spot Lounge is across the street from DLatinos, I was in Sosua 2 Days ago for 1 week and the Place was dead every night. Its sad to see so many new bars open up to only be closed in a few months, Grand Opening Grand Closing.

P. S To the people complain about Brothers Ruining Sosua, Sosua is full of wash up Hardcore used up Chicas that charge an arm and a leg for whack service.

Dominican Republic is a big island.They are plenty of other secret locations (Which I'm not going to tell anybody) Where you can get fresh non-pro girls for 1000 pesos and under.

There is this one spot that I went to that had Half Chinese, Half Dominican and are some of the most beautiful women on earth. To bad its far away from your typical gringo.

You can get better sex if your willing to leave a 5 block radius.

Too funny.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1455250]We won't be talking about how much we miss Clasicos anymore because we now have great places like this:

[url]http://youtu.be/JBMBzF3M0lg[/url][/QUOTE]

1.Ruin Rio de Janeiro for the rest of us. Check.

2.Ruin Sosua for the rest of us. Check.

3.Ruin San Jose, CR for the rest of us. Check.

What is next- clown ass thug rapper baller wannabes from the hood? Thank god, Thailand is 20 long hours away and these thugs can't stand still for more than few hours in a plane! Plus Asians really- really dislike them kind.

Pretty simple evaluatory tool for my friend and I in all countries including home; If you are at our table and even as much flinches or balks at the pay distribution of a bill or buying a chica a drink, you will be quickly and rudely asked to leave.

It's sure sign of someone that simply does not know the game and indicator of selfish intentions. Your that dude that show up at the cookout or party empty-handed and wonder why the other guests have issues with you. Bragging on denying a person a simple pleasantly of human kindness since Adam gave Eve water from a cup of his enjoined hands says a lot about a person; notice, I left did not use the term Man.

Karma is a biatch and some of you don't understand why you keep getting fvcked over.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1455274]3.Ruin San Jose, CR for the rest of us. Check.[/QUOTE]Never been to San Jose, but this is the first time I've heard the make it rain crowd being blamed for ruining CR, LOL! I thought it was the mercenary chicas asking for Cien for ST that ruined SJO?

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1455274]What is next- clown ass thug rapper baller wannabes from the hood? Thank god, Thailand is 20 long hours away and these thugs can't stand still for more than few hours in a plane! Plus Asians really- really dislike them kind.[/QUOTE]Maybe you have not been to Thailand lately, but the same guys who go ashore when the U. S Navy pulls into port and the same guys who work at KBR in Iraq who go over to Thailand when they have vacation, you would probably categorize the same way. It's a shame to LET another man ruin your game.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1455274]1. Ruin Rio de Janeiro for the rest of us. Check.

2. Ruin Sosua for the rest of us. Check.

3. Ruin San Jose, CR for the rest of us. Check.

What is next- clown ass thug rapper baller wannabes from the hood? Thank god, Thailand is 20 long hours away and these thugs can't stand still for more than few hours in a plane! Plus Asians really- really dislike them kind.[/QUOTE]Wrong, wrong and wrong.

1. The World Cup and Olympics made Brazil clean up there act as the world watches.

2. The brothers had nothing to do with the Sosua beach closing and crackdown ongoing in the DR.

3. Have you really been to Costa Rica? I saw three brothers my whole trip and I was one of them.

4. Thailand, girls loved us, the only complaint was that the brothers had big dicks. Asian girls are used to little dicks, maybe thats why they like you so much.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1455274]1. Ruin Rio de Janeiro for the rest of us. Check.

2. Ruin Sosua for the rest of us. Check.

3. Ruin San Jose, CR for the rest of us. Check.

What is next- clown ass thug rapper baller wannabes from the hood? Thank god, Thailand is 20 long hours away and these thugs can't stand still for more than few hours in a plane! Plus Asians really- really dislike them kind.[/QUOTE]I've been to Rio, San Jose, and Sousa many times. No one has ruined it for this Gringo. It sounds more like a racist post. Sorry Jackson, perhaps another infraction point?

BTW, I started going to LOS in 1978, and the girls like ANYBODY that has baht! Hopefully you are not that clueless!

Very talented young lady.

[url]http://youtu.be/39pK3Cv1jdk[/url]

Going for 40 nights in a row in Dlatins I noticed a few patterns about Black Americans.

1- don't sit at same table with white guys,

2- don't let you sit on the same sofa where they are sitting even if there is space,

3- are always in a group.

4- are all overweight.

5- don't go with Haitians,

6- take phone numbers from all the girls they meet.

7- drink cognac.

8- prefer girls with Big asses / Big boobs that I don't like.

9- Not recognizzing the girls they fuck mostly the hardened pros

10-stay only a few days.

So not much problems for me.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1455219]Does it really matter anymore, Once Sosua gets there Cruise Ship Port and the Real Tourist Dollars start to flow in. You can kiss Sosua good bye.[/QUOTE]The port will not be in Sosua. It will be in Puerto Plata (Maimon).

Mr. Enternational and a few others already explained how the cruise ship biz works (for the passengers). They will not be driving all the way down from PP to Sosua; they will spend their money in the immediate port area. Will not effect the dynamic of Sosua.

The only thing Sosua (and the DR for that matter) has to worry about is the mass outflow of tourists dollars once Cuba eventually opens up to American tourism.

Can we get back to actual reporta? Leave for 2 seconds and things get racist.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1455274]What is next- clown ass thug rapper baller wannabes from the hood? Thank god, Thailand is 20 long hours away and these thugs can't stand still for more than few hours in a plane! Plus Asians really- really dislike them kind.[/QUOTE]Actually Asian girls are quite curious about black men.

I know several friends who managed to sit still for 20 hours and they had a great time in Thailand LOL

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1455453]The port will not be in Sosua. It will be in Puerto Plata (Maimon).

Mr. Enternational and a few others already explained how the cruise ship biz works (for the passengers). They will not be driving all the way down from PP to Sosua; they will spend their money in the immediate port area. Will not effect the dynamic of Sosua.

The only thing Sosua (and the DR for that matter) has to worry about is the mass outflow of tourists dollars once Cuba eventually opens up to American tourism.[/QUOTE]Incorrect and flat out wrong on both counts.

1. Some excursions for fishing and diving will reach as far as the east end of Sosua.

2. A cleaned Sosua will be a destination for tourist as its a 5_10 minute drive

3. Passions et al are part of a campaign to rid DR from overt marketing of prostitutions and Peter had been warned for 3 years.

4. Opening of Cuba now brings back the three and four day cruises from FLL; increasing number of ships to port not decreasing. The big looser will Mexico as the 5 to 7 day will have less desired destinations than the 4 day Caribbean tour. Its the part of the long term financial profitability of the port.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1452245]The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. Having relationship will enhance the experience. Sport fucking is a lot of fun but it gets boring very fast. Point and click sport fucking is fun but it gets boring very fast. Having an attractive young lady that you know and like to hang out with when you are 50 plus is priceless.[/QUOTE]I like your style Mr Kool, like your above post and other posts.

I've been traveling and playing for years now as well.

The truth is, no matter where you go to play, if it's good, word will get out, and quickly now with the internet and sites like these.

All different kinds of guys will begin to show up and things will change.

Some good change, some not so good.

That's just the way it is. Nothing ever stays the same forever.

You either adapt or move on.

I currently hang out in different parts of Brazil.

Some I post about, others I selfishly don't to keep it tranquilo for a while longer :)

I still go to places where a gringo is a rare site. Nice.

I like your post above.

It is truly priceless.

The older I get, the more I like to hang with girls that I actually like and even better when they like me right back.

Stay cool amigo, I'm sure you will.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1455472]2. A cleaned Sosua will be a destination for tourist as its a 5_10 minute drive[/QUOTE]From where? If you have the link to an article saying that the port will be in Sosua and not Puerto Plata, please post it:

[i]"Last August, Carnival Cruise Lines and the Dominican Republic announced plans to construct a new cruise port. [b]To be built on Maimon Bay, about five and one half miles from Puerto Plata[/b], the new facility will cost $65 million and paid for by Carnival Corporation, in partnership with the Rannik family shipping company."[/i]

[url]http://www.cruisemaven.com/carnival-corp-breaks-ground-for-new-cruise-port-in-dominican-republic/[/url]

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1455472]3. Passions et al are part of a campaign to rid DR from overt marketing of prostitutions and Peter had been warned for 3 years.[/QUOTE]If that is the case then why is CMP still open and operating? Also doesn't seem that any of the casas in SD have been shut down either.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1454934]One historical note and this is not new information, as it has been pointed out by some of the more seasoned vets on the board, one thing that did happen with the demise of Rio and change in the demographic in Sosua is a much more hardened, short time, one hour, sport fuck mentality with the girls. So yeah, there is definitely a difference now! As others have pointed out, back in the day Sosua was much more relaxed and about TLNs. Not saying you can't get TLN, but it was the norm back then and the quality of that TLN was very good.

So what, you ask? Sosua is, what Sosua is. For the new jacks and semi new jacks all of this talk of what used to be and the heyday of Rio and or Sosua means nothing. You can't miss what you never had. It's just that some remember a different time. To blame it on one group is not fair, as there has been a convergence of events and changes that has led us to the present state of Sosua. We are given the present day Sosua to enjoy so lets do that! We have to move forward with what we have.[/QUOTE]Well said. Can I expound with my 2 cents? I think what many may not give weight to, is that just as there have been an influx of new & semi new jack mongers (I like those terms for this discussion) so have there been the same with dominican women. As many dominican chicas got older, they left Sosua, maybe not the game, but they left Sosua and were quickly replaced by another set of youngster chicas set on learning the ropes and getting a piece of the pie that their older sistren enjoyed and paved the way for.

But. Look at enough young dominican chicas in Sosua today. They are the perfect match for the young new jack, generation X males you see coming to Sosua now. If these women didn't speak spanish you would swear they came from some big city in the states. By the way they dress and their style. Many don't seem to manifest traditional values or family customs. (please don't ask me what that is ). The younguns are running the households and dictating to their parents. One reason is, they MAY outearn everyone else in the household......with the quick cash they have the potential of getting their hands on. Or it's simply a dis respect issue. The younguns are more street wise. Sometimes more aware or understanding of foreigners than others in the household. So they may have a slight edge of assertiveness at home.

They are new jack chicas, with only a few old head chicas still around. Sosua appears to be a mix of old school mongers, mixed with new school mongers. These new young mongers heard about Sosua through word of mouth. Guys bragging about their escapades in Sosua. So they showed up. Many with only limited amount of time for vacation. So they go ape shit for a week or less, because they are in awe of how easy pussy is to get in Sosua.

Now these young mongers are matched with an abundance of new jack chicas that grew up and became teens. Of course there are always a small number of old head chicas around that can't afford to quit the game or Sosua. The reason many arent paying much attention. Is because mongers enjoy fucking young chicas all the time anyway. They arent really paying attention to the fact that these young chicas have been raised differently. That they are more into copying what people in other countries are doing. Thats why you can have a place like Winners Circle, Dlatins play hip hop music & videos and the girls love it more instead of being turned off to it. I'm sure at one time dominican girls loved hearing spanish romantico musica moreso. And many mongers obliged by playing that music, and dancing to it. But now we have hip hop reggatone, and many girls are copying off of young american culture.

Now these young chicas look like they belong in a rap video themselves. So it's no mystery to why sport fucking has become more popular over developing a relationship or simply a TLN. The GIRLS HAVE ALSO CHANGED. Economics has played a part as well. Old head chicas may have helped in schooling the younguns that TLNs are not as profitable as sport fucking. Of course they don't need an old head to tell them that. They can tell by what their pocketbook looks like. Then it's monger forums like this and others drilling it into every newbies head not to fall in love, not to be a mark, not to be a WU sucker etc. Enough of that programming and clowning, and the average guy begins to think, TLN's is for suckers. Sportfucking is the way to go. Get as much juice as you can. Fuck dem ho's. Treat them like shit, because they don't respect you. Don't over pay. Guys begin to think, a nice guy gets fucked out of his money. While being a hardcore monger gets fucked for his money. Thats the chess war of mongering. Establishing who's boss in this game. The monger or the chica. A short vacation may play a role in certain behavior, as well. Guys don't have time to develop anything with a chica. Plus add scamming to the equation. Scamming has beeen reinforced as a worthwhile alternative to actually earning your keep.

So if chicas are having a harder time getting suckers to be WU novios, they already assume they arent going to get as much doing TLNs as they can sportfucking or scamming. And all the girls that tried structured places like passions, soon realize, freelancing may be better than waiting for dudes to come in there to fuck them. Because many guys go in those places simply to gawk and drink a few beers.

On another note. Personally, I don't like to see 4 and 5 dudes of any ethnicity walking down the street looking like a mob. I think it looks corny and immature. But thats just me. I also may not like hearing guys acting ignorant by making excessive noise and disturbing others. But I don't need to be in the DR to feel that way. I don't particulary like that sort of thing anywhere, when common sense should prevail in how individuals conduct themselves in public.

So I agree with you. Many factors and variables have played into the changes that have occured in Sosua and everywhere else. It aint just a brother issue. All parties have played a role, as well as factors not seen or considered, in why things have changed. Having said all of that. I have adapted even though I haven't mongered that long. I do what I need to do to enjoy myself. And I always do. And I don't need Dlatins, Rumba or Classicos to have a good time. It's not the venue it's the effort an individual puts in that makes the difference.

I try to be honest and help guys by sharing my insights. In enjoying preparing for my escapades. I do not mind sharing things that have helped me. If you conduct your self in a way that you do not hurt or take advantage of any one. You sleep better at night. I really enjoy my outings. I have acquired a nice list of girls pros and non pros that really ties me up. This may affect my sport fucking. Hard part now I'd figuring who on the list to see.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1455513]I like your style Mr Kool, like your above post and other posts.

I've been traveling and playing for years now as well.

The truth is, no matter where you go to play, if it's good, word will get out, and quickly now with the internet and sites like these.

All different kinds of guys will begin to show up and things will change.

Some good change, some not so good.

That's just the way it is. Nothing ever stays the same forever.

You either adapt or move on.

I currently hang out in different parts of Brazil.

Some I post about, others I selfishly don't to keep it tranquilo for a while longer.

I still go to places where a gringo is a rare site. Nice.

I like your post above.

It is truly priceless.

The older I get, the more I like to hang with girls that I actually like and even better when they like me right back.

Stay cool amigo, I'm sure you will.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1455317]I've been to Rio, San Jose, and Sousa many times. No one has ruined it for this Gringo. It sounds more like a racist post. Sorry Jackson, perhaps another infraction point?

BTW, I started going to LOS in 1978, and the girls like ANYBODY that has baht! Hopefully you are not that clueless![/QUOTE]Nah. Just a perspective.

Many interesting and insightful posts.

My take is many Gringos treat third world countries with disrespect and feel entitled to act in a bad manner. Agree that oftentimes mongers are acting out rapper / baller fanatasies since it is much cheaper than Vegas.

Also agree that hip hop culture is part of the global community. Music, movements and fashion are fine. It is poor behavior associated with hip hop that cause problems.

Older mongers. Please do not be so critical and over reactive. Are you forgetting in your 20's what older men thought about your music and fashion?

If it is too loud. Stay home.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1455472]A cleaned Sosua will be a destination for tourist as its a 5_10 minute drive[/QUOTE]From the airport. What's that got to do with cruise ships? Or did you mean from La Union? Not many tourists there.

If I paid a lot of money for a cruise and outings and they took me and my family to Sosua I would be furious. There is fuck all there that is different and distinctive except for the putas. Nice little beach and a few adequate restaurants but nothing that cruise passengers haven't seen far better examples of elsewhere. The fishing and diving are very inferior by traveller world standards. There is at least something to see in Puerto Plata, though that city would need a big clean-up and change of attitude by the locals to become tourist-friendly.

[QUOTE=Sebans; 1455400]Going for 40 nights in a row in Dlatins I noticed a few patterns about Black Americans.

1- don't sit at same table with white guys, [/QUOTE]Sorry Tomjackin. Gogo and I are no longer able to sit with you, since we saw you in this video with the all the rap star wannabees. [url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH4G83Flo5KuOzdPH[/url] (And to think, aren't we the mfs that initiated the place? It was empty before me, Tomjackin, and Gogo went up in there.)

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1455617]From the airport. What's that got to do with cruise ships? Or did you mean from La Union? Not many tourists there.

If I paid a lot of money for a cruise and outings and they took me and my family to Sosua I would be furious. There is fuck all there that is different and distinctive except for the putas. Nice little beach and a few adequate restaurants but nothing that cruise passengers haven't seen far better examples of elsewhere. The fishing and diving are very inferior by traveller world standards. There is at least something to see in Puerto Plata, though that city would need a big clean-up and change of attitude by the locals to become tourist-friendly.[/QUOTE]From both. The fishing and diving excursions do need more investment but are far from inferior. The trip to Sosua is no different than the bus and cab rides taken to the excursions for el senor frogs and others. The push is for more investment for family and cruise excursions. Needing several building rehabs, demolition and vice control.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1455399]Very talented young lady.

[url]http://youtu.be/39pK3Cv1jdk[/url][/QUOTE]How much for TLN?

So many of the comments about different types of people may be true to the majority, but not to all. Judge everybody as an individual, first.

Finally made it to sosua after striking out the last 2 wks. Was able to get a room at ng after all. Staying in the old wing, room is fine, bed is big. No loud guys or music. Blk guys are older, and not playing loud music or wearing their pants low, LOL.

Went out about 9 last night. Still very quiet. Was approached by a girl next door type. Hatian born, but grew up here. Speaks decent english. Was hoping to shed her when it got better, but she was sweet, And became GFE. Her friendly no rush personality over shadowed her wear on her body from childbirth. It was interesting watching the hotties come out as the time passed. Was tempting to dump her, for a nicer model, but was into her GFE.

When I asked her how much, she said I don't know. Seemed like she was not comfortable with the business aspect of this. She didn't have a lot of rules in the room, but was not a spectacular performer. Did BBBJ, but was nothing special. Usednher hand more than mouth. Dfk was excellent. She enjoyed DATY, but after 1 o, she was done. FS was ok. When done, she showers, gets back in bed, and was ready to stay the night. Tln was not discussd, and caught me off guard. If she wasnt soo worn, no, problem. Asked when she would see me again. Hope she doesn't stalk me the rest1 of the wk. Gave her 1500, which she took without complaint, but was not jumping for joy, either.

Good personality, willing to please, no language barrier, but her tits hung to her flabby belly, almost hiding her see section scar.

Ate early at rumba. Had a girl approach, who may I may have done lastbtrip, who kept bothering me afterwards. She did not remember me, but it may be her. Her name is natalie. Ave looking, but does not listen to no.

Better thqn normal 1st night. I usually rush on my choice and regret not waiting. 2nd night is usually my best.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1455521]From where? If you have the link to an article saying that the port will be in Sosua and not Puerto Plata, please post it:

[i]"Last August, Carnival Cruise Lines and the Dominican Republic announced plans to construct a new cruise port. [b]To be built on Maimon Bay, about five and one half miles from Puerto Plata[/b], the new facility will cost $65 million and paid for by Carnival Corporation, in partnership with the Rannik family shipping company."[/i]

[url]http://www.cruisemaven.com/carnival-corp-breaks-ground-for-new-cruise-port-in-dominican-republic/[/url]

If that is the case then why is CMP still open and operating? Also doesn't seem that any of the casas in SD have been shut down either.[/QUOTE]1. You need a map and reading comprehension lessons as your own articles talks of the economic impact to the North Coast. Specifically, desired additional investments in excursion destinations. (might have mentiond that a year ago) Guess who is number #1 after Maimon.

2. Keep watching. SD is going through its changes as we speak. Although SW presence is increasing for some reason. Push on the casa and it spills to the street. Squeeze the streets and the casinos and car washes fill up. Bang in all spots and residents gets pissed. Difference this time is people are loosing their government jobs for turning away. Going to get interesting.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1455281]Wrong, wrong and wrong1.

4. Thailand, girls loved us, the only complaint was that the brothers had big dicks. Asian girls are used to little dicks, maybe thats why they like you so much.[/QUOTE]I have not been to CR, but from what I read it was not spoiled the brothas.

RR

[QUOTE=ZeroSR;1455130]I'm young and black. I too wish my age group would just stop uploading videos and inviting more of their ignorant, loud mouthed friends. I'll be honest and most of you are probably thinking about this too. I want to keep certain monger destinations to both myself and other mongers who don't feel the need to be posting their tricking for the whole world to see. It's not something to be proud of outside of your monger circle. Call it selfish but when the whole world knows, this is what happens. However, I don't agree with what these other mongers who love to dress up their closeted prejudice with words like 'thugs'. It's not an inside joke. Everyone knows what group you're talking about, and you just look stupid. Get over it. It is what is. This is the age we all live in now. The best we can do is educate these young men and tell them that what they are doing is ruining future mongering for all of us. To be low key. Will they listen? I don't know, but it can't hurt to try instead of complaining about the good old days on a messaging board.[/QUOTE]Zero great way to put it in a very eloquent way, I agree, I love to "trick" people at first take think you're a "sucka" or a no social skilled loser, who can't get none" The truth is "we" all pay whether its dinner, date, time, clubs, drinks. A rapper came out with a song "It ain't tricking if you got it" Is total bullshit, It's all tricking you just got more to "trick" with I'm the "trick" but them biatches are the "act" I "trick" then she does the disappearing act" As a fellow black man, probably older than you, you will find a lot of ignorant racist idiots", on these boards. I used to get mad, and try to respond, but if the web host can't figure, your intent you will be redacted or deleted. So I figured out just ignore these " sideways" off handed racial slurrs. 99% of these board members, will you ever meet in person anyway or care too, but on the flip side there's people on here that will make your "I have to shake that dudes hand" list. I've met a few mongers in person and it was real cool. I and a lot of my black friends have set still long enough to hit Bangkok "Thailand" plus the 2 hour car ride to Pattaya beach (walking street) they "loved black men, ahem. I mean black mean with a lot of "baht" (currency). Lmao!

I know Jackson doesn't have all day to babysit this board's, but if he deleted every 3 or 4 days, the entire board with useless political, racial, argumentative material (me as well) LOL! Anything other than normal chatter, and trip. It would be a kind of monger "control-alt-delete" re booting but go further, blank out the whole page. That would force us to stick to the intended use of this board or look a completely blank page, every time we logged on. I know this is extreme, but he (Jackson) just reset this board and it didn't take us long, to fall back into these useless topics. I look forward to October, and will report back. Peace!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1455628]Sorry Tomjackin. Gogo and I are no longer able to sit with you, since we saw you in this video with the all the rap star wannabees.

[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH4G83Flo5KuOzdPH[/url]

(And to think, aren't we the mfs that initiated the place? It was empty before me, Tomjackin, and Gogo went up in there.) [/QUOTE]Chill my brother! I'm in Buenos Aires rapping my happy old white ass off todas las noches!

Just got boob flashed by a nice young chica while having breakfast at the NG, and asked out for a beer by another nice chica while getting my boarding pass printed in an internet cafe. All the shit aside, what is there not like about Sosua. Familiarity does breed contempt though as evident by some posters.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1455628]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH4G83Flo5KuOzdPH[/QUOTE]That plays well with the liberal media. Aside from some property damage, it doesn't look like anyone got hurt. Not like here: [url]http://youtu.be/y70tZDW2AqY[/url]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1455522]Thats why you can have a place like Winners Circle, Dlatins play hip hop music & videos and the girls love it more instead of being turned off to it. I'm sure at one time dominican girls loved hearing spanish romantico musica moreso.[/QUOTE]Dominicans are very proud of their culture, and that includes their music, which is loved all over the world. The girls in Sosua will go and listen to whatever the money tells them to listen to. They will dance to gangman style or country music if its going to make them money.

The reason you hear American black rap music much, much more in Sosua than in places like Santiago or Santo Domingo is because the businesses in Sosua are deliberately catering to the black bike week type mongers. The same reason places like The Spot are posting vids of popping bottles and making it rain. There are also younger black guys now "living" in Sosua who are helping to facilitate this by working with the business owners and helping the DJs get that type of music.

Sosua mongers are getting younger and younger and more and more urban. Next time you go down, this will be your tour guide str8 from NYC!!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1455740]Dominicans are very proud of their culture, and that includes their music, which is loved all over the world. The girls in Sosua will go and listen to whatever the money tells them to listen to. They will dance to gangman style or country music if its going to make them money.

The reason you hear American black rap music much, much more in Sosua than in places like Santiago or Santo Domingo is because the businesses in Sosua are deliberately catering to the black bike week type mongers. The same reason places like The Spot are posting vids of popping bottles and making it rain. There are also younger black guys now "living" in Sosua who are helping to facilitate this by working with the business owners and helping the DJs get that type of music.

Sosua mongers are getting younger and younger and more and more urban. Next time you go down, this will be your tour guide str8 from NYC![/QUOTE]Or it could be that 73 percent of population has African ancestry and Reggatone is closely related to Hip Hop. Naw, That could not possibly be it.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1455281]Wrong, wrong and wrong.

1. The World Cup and Olympics made Brazil clean up there act as the world watches.

2. The brothers had nothing to do with the Sosua beach closing and crackdown ongoing in the DR.

3. Have you really been to Costa Rica? I saw three brothers my whole trip and I was one of them.

4. Thailand, girls loved us, the only complaint was that the brothers had big dicks. Asian girls are used to little dicks, maybe thats why they like you so much.[/QUOTE]That's funny, maybe thats why they like you so much.

Dude hasn't been anywhere. Just talking shit. The monger population in Costa Rica is mostly over 40 white guys and the chicas there are more business than in Sosua. Sosua in its "ruined" state is still cheaper than most places in Latin America. For instance, Santa Fe in Bogota used to be a bargain and is now ridiculously expensive and it never saw a influx of the brothas. I have traveled with white coworkers to Sosua and they have had a ball because at the end of the day it is pay for play pussy and you pay you fuck. Plus black dudes don't scare them. The dudes on here who have their panties in a wad are just not comfortable around black people and projecting their issues on the situation. I have been the only black dude in the Sportsmen Lodge in San Jose and ended up partying with guys there and going out hunting with them. Last time in Sosua, stayed at Terra Linda and my wingman for the trip was a white divorce Connecticut cop. I was a sounding board for him to ***** about his divorce and also to show him the ins and outs of mongering in Sosua. Some of these dudes sound like bitches letting dudes they don't know ruin their vacation.

[QUOTE=RonnyRon; 1455672]I have not been to CR, but from what I read it was not spoiled the brothas.

RR[/QUOTE]

I think ForceSteeler summed all of this up very well:

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1455263]P. S To the people complain about Brothers Ruining Sosua, Sosua is full of wash up Hardcore used up Chicas that charge an arm and a leg for whack service.

Dominican Republic is a big island. They are plenty of other secret locations (Which I'm not going to tell anybody) Where you can get fresh non-pro girls for 1000 pesos and under.

There is this one spot that I went to that had Half Chinese, Half Dominican and are some of the most beautiful women on earth. To bad its far away from your typical gringo.

You can get better sex if your willing to leave a 5 block radius.[/QUOTE]It is what it is folks. Sosua is perfect for newbies and guys who don't want to put in too much work for their vacation. I think we Vets are coming down to hard on the place because we all new what it once was (prior to 2011) , and have taken the training wheels off when it comes to mongering (very good grasp of speaking and understanding spanish, branching out and discovering new spots, etc.).

[QUOTE=DeepMmpactt;1455673]Zero great way to put it in a very eloquent way, I agree, I love to "trick" people at first take think you're a "sucka" or a no social skilled loser, who can't get none" The truth is "we" all pay whether its dinner, date, time, clubs, drinks. A rapper came out with a song "It ain't tricking if you got it" Is total bullshit, It's all tricking you just got more to "trick" with I'm the "trick" but them biatches are the "act" I "trick" then she does the disappearing act"[/QUOTE]We all pay for pussy directly or indirectly. Indirectly just cost a lot more and it's what helps fund American capitalism. People at the top (1%) understand that you can get men to spend money on bullshit to try to impress women. Gucci, Jordans, Mercedes Benz,

Moet champagne / popping bottles and club owners all make billions of dollars on that philosophy. In my eyes most women have a inner prostitute. Which is the reason why most women will sleep with you if you have a $250,000 Ferrari in the driveway.

Mongering is just being honest with yourself, I see so many guys go to Miami memorial weekend and spend $5,000-$10,000 Dollars to try to fuck 1 or 2 girls when they can take that Moet Rose money and spend it in Sosua and you can fuck 100's of girls and still have $6,000 left.

We all pay for it, Its 1 life to live, you can't take the money and your possessions with you. The Egyptians tried it and fail.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1455740]Sosua mongers are getting younger and younger and more and more urban. Next time you go down, this will be your tour guide str8 from NYC!![/QUOTE]That's a foul ass pic. This kid will be in jail before he reaches 21. Blacks will never have shyt with this mindset. I'm Black, and hip-hop has set us blacks back hundreds of years, more than any Klan can ever do. If you don't like my post F-you, you put this shyt out there.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1455778]That's a foul ass pic. This kid will be in jail before he reaches 21. Blacks will never have shyt with this mindset. I'm Black, and hip-hop has set us blacks back hundreds of years, more than any Klan can ever do.[/QUOTE]You sound like you got some sense. I can understand the rage. Guys are talking about the girls like the music. It's sad that people don't know when they are being played. The girls can dance to the rhythm but they don't understand the significance of the words. People should be offended. Ignorance is bliss.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1455742]Or it could be that 73 percent of population has African ancestry and Reggatone is closely related to Hip Hop. Naw, That could not possibly be it.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean, but go to Santo Domingo or Santiago, where most Dominicans live, and see how much French Montana you hear and how much Antony Santos you hear.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1455794]Not sure what you mean, but go to Santo Domingo or Santiago, where most Dominicans live, and see how much French Montana you hear and how much Antony Santos you hear.[/QUOTE]A lot and out of their kids rooms you hear two chains, Drake, Rihanna and Niki Minaj. As well as at the Discos, car washes, and generally anywhere people not requiring canes or Viagra congregate. It's a country enamored with US hip hop culture. Reggeaton comes from rap or did that dude talking over African drums throw you off?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1455794]Not sure what you mean, but go to Santo Domingo or Santiago, where most Dominicans live, and see how much French Montana you hear and how much Antony Santos you hear.[/QUOTE]That's like going into a major US city and pointing to Bb king and Phil Collins playing on the radio of a teens car and saying: see, I told ya so.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1455778]That's a foul ass pic. This kid will be in jail before he reaches 21. Blacks will never have shyt with this mindset. I'm Black, and hip-hop has set us blacks back hundreds of years, more than any Klan can ever do. If you don't like my post F-you, you put this shyt out there.[/QUOTE]Well I'm white and I love Hip Hop (at least alot of it). If you never noticed, the Rock and Pop Music (which I also love) starting in the 70s and after is pretty offensive and mysogenystic also. True, recent music has taken it to a new level, but that's pop culture. Always pushing the envelope. That seems to be what sells.

Just because you listen to Hip Hop Music doesn't mean you have to act like a thug, whatever your ethnic background.

Damn what's up with all the racist shyt up in here? Can't we all just get along? We have got to treat people as individuals! Stop generalizing! Stop lumping people together! Respect people respect!

Oh BTW, all Asians have small cocks.

Nice way to use satire to address bias. Oh and for those say that a cross section of our society has propensity towards one type of behavior. Please educate yourself,

Slavery by another name.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yHAEu2N024&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]

Peace

BBL.

[Quote=Mr Enternational; 1455628]Sorry Tomjackin. Gogo and I are no longer able to sit with you, since we saw you in this video with the all the rap star wannabees.

[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH4G83Flo5KuOzdPH[/url]

(And to think, aren't we the mfs that initiated the place? It was empty before me, Tomjackin, and Gogo went up in there.) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons; 1455854]Damn what's up with all the racist shyt up in here? Can't we all just get along? We have got to treat people as individuals! Stop generalizing! Stop lumping people together! Respect people respect!

Oh BTW, all Asians have small cocks.[/QUOTE]Had a girl tell me tonight that all americans hate black girls, and like blondes. At least she got the second part right.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1455805]A lot and out of their kids rooms you hear two chains, Drake, Rihanna and Niki Minaj. As well as at the Discos, car washes, and generally anywhere people not requiring canes or Viagra congregate. It's a country enamored with US hip hop culture. Reggeaton comes from rap or did that dude talking over African drumbs throw you off?[/QUOTE]Deuce, you're entitled to you beliefs. If that is what you want to believe, more power to you. I live in Inwood now, but I grew up in a housing project so I know how to deal with certain types of people, whether its in the USA or the DR. I laugh at the bottles poppers and the rain makers trying to be Puff Diddy in the DR. It's comedy. I guess some people really do enjoy hearing N***** all day. I'm just not one of them. But like that great spokesperson for American black youth, Rachel Jeantel, said, that is how the youth think these days.

[quote=combo;1455822]well i'm white and i love hip hop (at least alot of it). if you never noticed, the rock and pop music (which i also love) starting in the 70s and after is pretty offensive and mysogenystic also.[/quote]it has always been that way with popular music. mac the knife, sung by louis armstrong, ella fitzgerald and many others was considered shocking in its day, and so was cole porter's i've got you under my skin, made popular by frank sinatra, but widely regarded as a tribute to heroin. strange fruit, one of billie holiday's most requested songs is about a lynching. bob geldof's i don't like mondays was about a serial killer, and sting's murder by numbers was taken to be a killing instruction book by the gullible ann landers, though it was actually intended to be satirical. moi non plus by serge gainsbourg and jane birkin featured a lot of orgasmic moaning, and my dingaling (i want you to play with) by chuck berry had decided **** overtones. peggy lee was a proto-rapper with the spoken song is that all there is, and bob marley chipped in with i shot the sheriff, causing some consternation in the us.

the beatles song lucy in the sky with diamonds was widely regarded as an incitement to use the drug lsd, and their song i saw her standing there starts with the lines "well, she was just seventeen, you know what i mean." yeah, we know exactly what you mean.

of course rap can deal with controversies too. the girls in d'latino's seem to understand this one very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nertfo-sk

[QUOTE=Blk Big Bootyluv; 1455885]Slavery by another name.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yHAEu2N024&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url][/QUOTE]Very true, and see this too.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM23S12LXaE[/url]

Well I'm gonna be here for the rest of my life
I'm gonna be on this farm for my natural life
Well I'm a gonna be here for the rest of my life
And all I did was shoot my wife.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1455927]Deuce, you're entitled to you beliefs. If that is what you want to believe, more power to you. I live in Inwood now, but I grew up in a housing project so I know how to deal with certain types of people, whether its in the USA or the DR. I laugh at the bottles poppers and the rain makers trying to be Puff Diddy in the DR. It's comedy. I guess some people really do enjoy hearing N***** all day. I'm just not one of them. But like that great spokesperson for American black youth, Rachel Jeantel, said, that is how the youth think these days.[/QUOTE]I have no problem with guys popping bottles, listening to load rap and acting an ass on their holiday. No issue with Timbos and Jerseys while out also. My singular issues are when stepping in a professional situation having the skill set and flat out common sense to act accordingly. However, Ghetto is ghetto and they deserve to have fun also. There is no difference between a drunken group of Bits, frat boys, Jersey Shore kids and these cats. Yall on Some other Race class crap.

Say what you want. Most of the girls love these guys as their closer to their ages, listen to roughly the same music and resemble what they see in rap videos. It's common sense. What do you think her first choice is if there are no dollars involved. Its going to be that kid in the Tims and La Laker jersey. Its not going to be an older gentleman poping Viagra every 20 seconds. Then to top it off, they pay better.

What's really coming out is an attempt to discredit the competition. A young kid of any ethnicity with money is always going to win out in DR. If he's a NY or Miami kid that knows that Barrio Slang its a rap; literaly. It's natural selection and 40 year old age differences between couples are not natural.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1455886]Had a girl tell me tonight that all americans hate black girls, and like blondes. At least she got the second part right.[/QUOTE]Sisters. Yes. Stinky Blondes. No.

I am new to the forum, but not to people like Orgasmico or others who try and use there racism to feel superior. The more I hear him or others like him on this forum, it makes me laugh! He says things to get a response out of people, he is no better than anyone else on this site and neither is other white people crying about hip hop changing DR etc. So what is it they feel insecure, because they lost control or is it that they can't keep up? They brain wash some into believing, their blond hair and blue eyes are superior and most people believe it.

So then they try and place there culture on you and some people say it's all the history we need to know and that's bullshit too! I came on this site to have fun and learn from open minded people, from different backgrounds. If the closed minded racist want to feel superior with there bullshit, then just don't pay them any mind.

Also one last thing, I live in upper Inwood and use to live in the projects too, if you really want to get a taste of DR before you go. Just come to Washington Heights. I learned from a young age, pussy or people has no color if treat them right!

Got to dlatins early last night. Sat with a little thing for 1 drink. Could tell she was seasoned so eventually got rid of her.

Wasnt finding what I wanted. Eventually, little thing comes back. We start drinking. She's drinking like a fish. Getting late, and I cave in.

She askshow much I pay her. I say 1500, she says 2000. I say no, she caves right away.

We head to the hotel, but she's hungry. A hot dog, now a beer, and somehow minutes for her phone, I think. We leave, and she introduces me to her friend, a politor. We get to the room, she put the minutes jn her phone and is making calls. At one point, she puts me on the phone. She eats and drinks, and we get busy.

Her tits are bigger than expected, but baby worn. Scar from her naval going down. She's doing HJ for a while, and eventually asks for a cover. Wqnts doggie. Her pussy is very tight. I don't last long, which is a big surprise since she's killed the mood. We finish, she goes to the bathroom, comes out and asks if I want her to leave. She asks for 100 for the moto, I decline. Walk her out, and another moto asks if I want weed.

She seemed to know a lot of gringos, and they seemed ok with her, making me think she was just a little crazy. Trust your first instinct. It was as late as I felt it was. Should have continued looking. Need to be more aggressive getting what I like.

Lesson learned, no major damage.

I got scared went you mentioned she introduced you to politur and started making phone calls. Sounded like she was about to scam you by extorting money from you with the help of politur.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1456054]Got to dlatins early last night. Sat with a little thing for 1 drink. Could tell she was seasoned so eventually got rid of her.

Wasnt finding what I wanted. Eventually, little thing comes back. We start drinking. She's drinking like a fish. Getting late, and I cave in.

She askshow much I pay her. I say 1500, she says 2000. I say no, she caves right away.

We head to the hotel, but she's hungry. A hot dog, now a beer, and somehow minutes for her phone, I think. We leave, and she introduces me to her friend, a politor. We get to the room, she put the minutes jn her phone and is making calls. At one point, she puts me on the phone...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1455740]Dominicans are very proud of their culture, and that includes their music, which is loved all over the world. The girls in Sosua will go and listen to whatever the money tells them to listen to. They will dance to gangman style or country music if its going to make them money.

The reason you hear American black rap music much, much more in Sosua than in places like Santiago or Santo Domingo is because the businesses in Sosua are deliberately catering to the black bike week type mongers. The same reason places like The Spot are posting vids of popping bottles and making it rain. There are also younger black guys now "living" in Sosua who are helping to facilitate this by working with the business owners and helping the DJs get that type of music.

Sosua mongers are getting younger and younger and more and more urban. Next time you go down, this will be your tour guide str8 from NYC![/QUOTE]If many of the girls in Sosua are listening to whatever the money tells them to listen to, and dance to whatever style if it makes them money. Doesn't it stand to reason then, that these same girls will also be the biatches, hoes, and good for nothing sluts depicted in the music and videos they listen to and watch, for the same reason? Because it's going to make them money?

And if this is true, then I can see why many vet mongers say Sosua has changed for the worse. I'm not suggesting every chica is living up to that image, but I'm sure there has to be something going on in the minds of chicas who may feel that many of these young mongers that come to Sosua "acting out their fantasy" think of them as biatches, hoes and sluts. I've even heard guys on the beach or at NG talking shit about chicas, not even caring who was listening. So I'm sure enough chicas hearing this shit, or knowing theses are the types of things being said about them, or just being treated like an insignificant hoe. Many of these chicas have become hardened and mechanical in their dealings with mongers. But they are very good actresses because getting that money 1st is important. They know how to smile and act like it's all about you. Until they are in safe company. What they reveal among allies or friends is a different story. Just like most mongers, aint going to say how they really feel or think to a chicas face."Were all actors in this I suppose". As Gil Scott Heron said in a song he did called "B Movie".

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456115]If many of the girls in Sosua are listening to whatever the money tells them to listen to, and dance to whatever style if it makes them money. Doesn't it stand to reason then, that these same girls will also be the biatches, hoes, and good for nothing sluts depicted in the music and videos they listen to and watch, for the same reason? Because it's going to make them money?[/QUOTE]I am sure you are right and they just follow the money. They are good little actresses. There is a chica called Yenny whom I have known for a couple of years and had a few encounters with. Whenever she sees me in the street she is full of it, how she loves me, blah, blah, blah, like we are special friends. Today I almost bumped into her in the supermarket, but before saying hi I though I should check whom she was with and noted she was with a middle aged German guy. I might just have well been invisible and she gave no sign of knowing me, not even a glance, and same again a few minutes later in the parking lot. Yet I have no doubt that the next time I see her we will be "friends" and she will laugh about the incident in the supermarket.

I doubt whether exposure to US popular music will change the behavior of any of them one-on-one in the bedroom, and as for the guys publicly talking disrespectfully about the women with other men, that is just bravado and nerves to cover up for being pussy whipped in the bedroom. Music is just one form of entertainment and it doesn't influence people all that much once they are past the teenage years and earning a living.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1455805]A lot and out of their kids rooms you hear two chains, Drake, Rihanna and Niki Minaj. As well as at the Discos, car washes, and generally anywhere people not requiring canes or Viagra congregate. It's a country enamored with US hip hop culture. Reggeaton comes from rap or did that dude talking over African drumbs throw you off?[/QUOTE]This is all understood. My point would be, it's not hip hop or reggaetone music soley It can be any music that inspires negative behavior or degrades people. It just so happens, that much of the music that fits that criterior seems to be perpetrated within certain negative or degrading rap, hip hop or reggaetone music.

It's not where the music comes from, this is about whats depicted and the messages in the music that may be inspiring certain negativity into certain people. Media is a strong component in inspiring behavior in people. Good, bad and ugly.

I used to work in harlem at a fastfood joint flipping burgers. There were 3 black stations. They were NOT easy listening stations. But when I had one of those stations on, the people came into the restaurant were loud, boisterious and sometimes disrespectful to us that worked there. Plus they would use the restaurant as a hangout. Much like what many folks see today in their neighborhoods. Dudes hanging around in or outside.

One day, I decided not to put on any of the black stations, I put on WPAT easy listening music. That "Strangers in the Night" kinda music. The result? People came in quiet, left quiet. Ordered food respectfully, and got the fuck out of there. They couldn't stand hanging around and listening to that type of music. They couldn't relate to it. So it may not have inspired them to any great degree.

But the local black stations, they related to that, and the vibe and messages in that music inspired a change in behavior. So where am I going with this? I'm saying some of that rap, hiphop or reggaetone music may be instrumental in inspiring a change in behavior in many of these chicas. In order to make that money, they feel the need to meet the expectations of the younger mongers who are inspired by the negative rap, hip hop or reggaetone. A change in behavior, means a change to what many vets were used to seeing in Sosua.

But as Mr O said. Many mongers don't even know how things used to be, and can't relate. So talking about this issue means nothing to them. However, no monger wants to be blamed for something they werent directly responsible for just because they may be younger, or they like or listen to rap, hip hop or reggaetone music. So, I understand that too.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456137]One day, I decided not to put on any of the black stations, I put on WPAT easy listening music. That "Strangers in the Night" kinda music. The result? People came in quiet, left quiet. Ordered food respectfully, and got the fuck out of there. They couldn't stand hanging around and listening to that type of music. They couldn't relate to it. So it may not have inspired them to any great degree.[/QUOTE]Yes, music can change the ambience in a particular location, no doubt of that. But if you go to D'Latino's at night what you notice most is that the music is so deafening, it is impossible to have a conversation with anyone, flirt, or do anything other than dance (which makes people thirsty) or buy and consume drinks. If you do try to talk, you have to shout and that quickly makes you thirsty. I imagine that is management's game plan. Another side effect of extreme noise is that to talk to someone you have to get very close to their ear, which leads to opportunities for touching, which leads to sexual arousal and sales opportunities for vendors of sexual entertainment. It is all pretty basic.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1456122]I doubt whether exposure to US popular music will change the behavior of any of them one-on-one in the bedroom, and as for the guys publicly talking disrespectfully about the women with other men, that is just bravado and nerves to cover up for being pussy whipped in the bedroom. Music is just one form of entertainment and it doesn't influence people all that much once they are past the teenage years and earning a living.[/QUOTE]I don't think that doubt is a problem. Thats your doubt. You are in entitled to be doubtful. However, in the bedroom is not where I think the focus should be. The change in behavior may be cultivated way before the bedroom. And it is often manifested in what happens as contact is initiated until the whole ordeal is over. I'm not focused on what the disrespectful talk means in regards to the mongers disposition, I'm talking about what it means to the chicas that hear it, and how they process that information in their dealings with mongers. And how mongers may find themselves dealing with a chica that has preconceived ideas of how mongers feel about them. Leading to hardcore and / or mechanical behavior in general.

You say music is just a form of entertainment, and it doesn't influence people all that much etc etc etc. I say you are right to whom and to where it applies. But I would definitely like to know your reasons you are using to support that statement other than being counter argumentative. I say music can have a great influence on people well into adult life. I just gave a real life example in my previous post. Many adults to this day, have admitted that they were caught up in music they listened to which inspired them to have sex. It's just people are not going to walk around admitting they were influenced to certain behavior or characteristics especially when the behavior is not something one should be proud of later on in life. Besides, the influence was subliminal. Some people may not know what and how they were inspired by forms of media.

Another question. What about the chicas in Sosua who are past being teenagers? Those that are earning a living selling pussy, even though it's not a regular job. Would you say they arent influenced that much by certain types of music either? I'm just saying if you believe what you wrote, then that should apply to those chicas too. However many of the chicas in Sosua are living examples of how certain music and other media has cultivated their behavior. By the way they look, talk, dress, carry themselves. Many look and carry themselves just like the females in popular american music and video. Moreover, it was said that chicas will do what it takes to get the money, so it's not unreasonable to fathom chicas being heavily influenced to embrace certain types of music and manifest that it by acting and wanting to be like the women in the music and videos. C-Mo cakes video is a good example to draw from.

A group of us will be arriving the last week of Aug. We have rented a Villa for the retire trip in Sosua and was wondering if anyone knows of a female person to housekeep / cook / maid etc. For the week. It's our 3-4 time here in DR; however, previously we have been at BB and have become more confident with the surrounding, driving, and culture. We have made several day visits in Sosua on our previous trips. Your advice, suggestions, and contact info for the housekeeper with what is the average cost would be greatly appreciate. If needed, you may PM me with the info.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1456148]Yes, music can change the ambience in a particular location, no doubt of that. But if you go to D'Latino's at night what you notice most is that the music is so deafening, it is impossible to have a conversation with anyone, flirt, or do anything other than dance (which makes people thirsty) or buy and consume drinks. If you do try to talk, you have to shout and that quickly makes you thirsty. I imagine that is management's game plan. Another side effect of extreme noise is that to talk to someone you have to get very close to their ear, which leads to opportunities for touching, which leads to sexual arousal and sales opportunities for vendors of sexual entertainment. It is all pretty basic.[/QUOTE]Music can do more than change the ambiance of a location. It can also influence behavior. As I pointed out in my example. The customers behavior changed along with the music or ambiance if you will. Your point about noise and deafening music is understood, however I wasnt talking about noise and music levels. I was talking about the music itself, how it was received, and how it inspired a change in behavior.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456165]Another question. What about the chicas in Sosua who are past being teenagers? Those that are earning a living selling pussy, even though it's not a regular job. Would you say they arent influenced that much by certain types of music either? I'm just saying if you believe what you wrote, then that should apply to those chicas too. However many of the chicas in Sosua are living examples of how certain music and other media has cultivated their behavior. By the way they look, talk, dress, carry themselves. Many look and carry themselves just like the females in popular american music and video. Moreover, it was said that chicas will do what it takes to get the money, so it's not unreasonable to fathom chicas being heavily influenced to embrace certain types of music and manifest that it by acting and wanting to be like the women in the music and videos. C-Mo cakes video is a good example to draw from.[/QUOTE]Well, for decades, or since the fifties there has always been this interaction between popular musicians and their fans involving demonstrating and following fashions. For example by the early seventies almost every white man in the UK and US was sporting longer hair and sideburns, in contrast to the short-back-and sides or military buzz cuts that followed World War II, or the greaser look popularized by Elvis. But most of those men were not directly influenced by musicians.

[url]http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_0101/50546_article_full/president-jimmy-carter-nbsppictured-in-1976.jpg?175[/url]

The chicas in Sosua don't dress like most of the young women I have seen in the US. They dress in cheap clothes available locally that enhance whatever sexual characteristics they think they can sell. So if they have nice abs, they wear a bare midriff, if they have a big butt and short legs like Jennifer Lopez, they will probably wear high heels to disguise this. If they have big tits, they will wear a low decolletage.

It is just as likely that rap videos (which are artefacts) are influenced by the appearance of Dominican prostitutes.

The C-Mo cakes video is too boring to take more than a minute of, but from what I recall there were a few chicas and guys skinny dipping in a pool at night, pouring drink in the pool, smoking what might have been illegal substances, and posing for the camera, but since the girls were obviously being paid to participate and looked slightly embarrassed, I don't think it tells you much about anything.

Almost a year ago the management of el flow decided that they will no longer play reggaeton and dembow music. Don't remember what other style of music they banned. They opted for merengue bachata salsa and pop and dance. They admitted that theirb previous musical selections were attracting the type of crowd they wanted to eliminate. I don't blame them. As a man was shot and killed right in front of the place a year ago during a fight. The video even made it on youtube.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1456137]This is all understood. My point would be, it's not hip hop or reggaetone music soley It can be any music that inspires negative behavior or degrades people. It just so happens, that much of the music that fits that criterior seems to be perpetrated within certain negative or degrading rap, hip hop or reggaetone music.

It's not where the music comes from, this is about whats depicted and the messages in the music that may be inspiring certain negativity into certain people. Media is a strong component in inspiring behavior in people. Good, bad and ugly.

I used to work in harlem at a fastfood joint flipping burgers. There were 3 black stations. They were NOT easy listening stations. But when I had one of those stations on, the people came into the restaurant were loud, boisterious and sometimes disrespectful to us that worked there. Plus they would use the restaurant as a hangout. Much like what many folks see today in their neighborhoods...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1456177]Well, for decades, or since the fifties there has always been this interaction between popular musicians and their fans involving demonstrating and following fashions. For example by the early seventies almost every white man in the UK and US was sporting longer hair and sideburns, in contrast to the short-back-and sides or military buzz cuts that followed World War II, or the greaser look popularized by Elvis. But most of those men were not directly influenced by musicians.

[url]http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_0101/50546_article_full/president-jimmy-carter-nbsppictured-in-1976.jpg?175[/url]

The chicas in Sosua don't dress like most of the young women I have seen in the US. They dress in cheap clothes available locally that enhance whatever sexual characteristics they think they can sell. So if they have nice abs, they wear a bare midriff, if they have a big butt and short legs like Jennifer Lopez, they will probably wear high heels to disguise this. If they have big tits, they will wear a low decolletage.

It is just as likely that rap videos (which are artefacts) are influenced by the appearance of Dominican prostitutes.

The C-Mo cakes video is too boring to take more than a minute of, but from what I recall there were a few chicas and guys skinny dipping in a pool at night, pouring drink in the pool, smoking what might have been illegal substances, and posing for the camera, but since the girls were obviously being paid to participate and looked slightly embarrassed, I don't think it tells you much about anything.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of chicas in Sosua. Which chicas are you referring to? You speaking for all Sosua chicas, or just the ones you have seen like the young women in the US? This could be important. Most of the women that you have seen in the US is hardly what I would rely on as a counter argument to what I said. I never considered the young women you saw in the US, as a control group to compare all of the Sosua chicas to. I also don't see what Sosua chicas wearing cheap clothes has to do with anything. Even if the clothes are cheap, the point remains that enough of the chicas are trying to emulate the women depicted in american culture, in the music and in videos. In behavior and in dress. Dressing sexy goes with the territory because the idea is to attract attention. How you dress is one aspect, but how you carry yourself is another. There are many factors that may be driving behavior. All I'm saying is that some of that behavior that is emulated or copied, one factor is influenced by media (music. Video, tv etc ).

In regards to the video, of course if your scope is limited, and / or your focus is merely to be opposed in argument, you arent expected to think much of what you arent able or willing to see or understand. I will accept that position for what it is worth. As far as the video being boring. Thats just a matter of opinion, taste or tolerance. The truth is, it was boring to you, and only to whom it applies to. Even if you don't think it, or don't see it, or have doubt about something. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or it doesn't apply to anyone at anytime somewhere. If thats the depth of your counter-arguments, thats not a strong position. They have a name for that sort of thing when it comes to how some people choose to debate or argue things they disagree with. I can't recall it at the moment. But, I call it the ostrich debate tactic."I can't see your point, because I can't see." "Yeah, but your head is in the sand." "I know, but if I pull it out, I "doubt" that will change anything", and I don't want to C more, because I just don't want to see." "Okay, I get your point, this is an esoteric conversation". LOL

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1456054]Got to dlatins early last night. Sat with a little thing for 1 drink. Could tell she was seasoned so eventually got rid of her.

Wasnt finding what I wanted. Eventually, little thing comes back. We start drinking. She's drinking like a fish. Getting late, and I cave in.

She askshow much I pay her. I say 1500, she says 2000. I say no, she caves right away.

We head to the hotel, but she's hungry. A hot dog, now a beer, and somehow minutes for her phone, I think. We leave, and she introduces me to her friend, a politor. We get to the room, she put the minutes jn her phone and is making calls. At one point, she puts me on the phone. She eats and drinks, and we get busy.

Her tits are bigger than expected, but baby worn. Scar from her naval going down. She's doing HJ for a while, and eventually asks for a cover. Wqnts doggie. Her pussy is very tight. I don't last long, which is a big surprise since she's killed the mood. We finish, she goes to the bathroom, comes out and asks if I want her to leave. She asks for 100 for the moto, I decline. Walk her out, and another moto asks if I want weed.

She seemed to know a lot of gringos, and they seemed ok with her, making me think she was just a little crazy. Trust your first instinct. It was as late as I felt it was. Should have continued looking. Need to be more aggressive getting what I like.

Lesson learned, no major damage.[/QUOTE]Sounds like this chica named Claritza I encountered in July. Except she didn't have big tits. No food, drink or minutes was bought. But at one point while we were supposed to be getting busy, her phone moved from the night stand and ended up in the bed. It wasnt long before I told her I had enough, I started getting dressed and said she could go.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456214]Sounds like this chica named Claritza I encountered in July. Except she didn't have big tits. No food, drink or minutes was bought. But at one point while we were supposed to be getting busy, her phone moved from the night stand and ended up in the bed. It wasnt long before I told her I had enough, I started getting dressed and said she could go.[/QUOTE]I got to get you on this one brother; so she probably was texting while you were humping with your eyes closed? LOL. Just fucking with you bro. But real talk, thats why I have no interest in fucking any of those D'latins girls. I would bang a girl that hangs out in New Gardens all day first. At least you are guaranteed a good effort without the bullshit. Damn! Chicas are asking for phone minutes now?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456214]Sounds like this chica named Claritza I encountered in July. Except she didn't have big tits. No food, drink or minutes was bought. But at one point while we were supposed to be getting busy, her phone moved from the night stand and ended up in the bed. It wasnt long before I told her I had enough, I started getting dressed and said she could go.[/QUOTE]Her tits were not big, just bigger than expected. Not claudetta. Showed me her cedula. Began with a m. Thinks she's 25.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1456240]Her tits were not big, just bigger than expected. Not claudetta. Showed me her cedula. Began with a m. Thinks she's 25.[/QUOTE]I wasnt alluding to her being the same girl, just that some of what happened with you, happened to me. I too sensed something wasnt right with my chica. She kept coming around, until I decided to give her a try. Once in my spot I realized she was a mistake. Before we got to my spot I let her know that I didn't want things to be rushed. But thats exactly what she tried to do. Having the cell phone in the bed also killed the mood for me.

I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

For mongers the Sosua sex scene basically consists of 3 blocks with 5 large outdoor bars. The strip has about 200 girls which are looking to session with as many tourists per day as possible.

Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip. There is no reason to spend more than 1 week in Sosua. It gets old real fast.

I felt like a sex tourist in Sosua. There are no families vacationing there only guys.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1455939]The Beatles . song "I Saw Her Standing There" starts with the lines "Well, she was just seventeen, You know what I mean." Yeah, we know exactly what you mean.[/QUOTE]I imagine they were referring to something that is natural and perfectly legal in their own country. You have been too long in the colonies, Frannie.

Thanks for the review. My experience was quite the opposite and I was there for 3 days, and it wasn't enough time. Of course everyones experience varies at monger locations, some might like Pattaya better than Sosua and vice versa. Each is different and there are positives for all these locations, otherwise I don't think you would see so many people there.

I think patience is key, and although it's easy to get with any girl you can't always expect there to be 8s and 9s in every corner that you look. I personally found plenty of 6s and 7s, and in the evening hours there were plenty of 8s to be found in the right places. Yes there are some girls that are overweight, but there are plenty that are average and slim as well. The 3 blocks and the outdoor bars get plenty of attention and because of the density during the evening hours it's easy to think "well this is all there is here." but you walk around Sosua and there are streetwalkers everywhere and chicas sitting in smaller bars. I was actually pleasantly surprised by this, the first night I stuck to the large outdoor bars on Pedro Clisante but the next day during the early afternoon I ventured out 10-15 mins walk from Rumba. Quite a few girls walking on the streets and it was more than I expected, especially for the daytime. At night if you walk around, it will be even more girls.

As for the quality of girls I was with, I have fairly high standard (I like to think so anyways) and it didn't take me very long to find someone I was attracted to. A couple girls did indeed have kids, but they still looked good. I honestly wish I had been a little more patient on my first trip to Sosua, it didn't take long to get with a girl. As a matter of fact the very first bar I went to I had a girl approach me within 60 seconds of receiving my drink and she was a 7 on my scale. Not a bad start at all. I looked around and saw a couple 7s, a few 5's and sure there were your usual 3s and 4s which are expected. But the quality was still there and I wanted to build a slight connection with the girls I was with, my Spanish is still not great (I know basic words and can get by with a few sentences) but I am learning and am sure in time it will become even better. The girls do seem to enjoy a guy trying to speak Spanish, it made me feel a bit more at ease as well. The reason why I wish I had more patience was because there was higher quality all around and I would usually see one or have one approach me and settle for that. And once I got done and the girl left I kept thinking about the other girls that I saw and was hoping I'd run into them later on during the day. I only recall running into the same girl maybe once or twice max, but not more than that. There were far too many girls to keep my eyes wandering, and I wasn't looking for the same girl I was with only a few hours earlier. I wanted different every time, I got different every time.

It's not a family destination, but I still saw families. More than I expected, but they were mostly on the beach. Pedro Clisante with all the bars and all the girls is for guys, and families will naturally try to stay away from these areas so it's easy to also think that there are no families around at all. There's just more to Sosua than 3 blocks, and if you venture outside the usual area. You see plenty more. And I'll be back soon to experience it.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

For mongers the Sosua sex scene basically consists of 3 blocks with 5 large outdoor bars. The strip has about 200 girls which are looking to session with as many tourists per day as possible.

Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip. There is no reason to spend more than 1 week in Sosua. It gets old real fast.

I felt like a sex tourist in Sosua. There are no families vacationing there only guys.[/QUOTE]

Going to Sosua and feeling like a sex tourist. How is that possible?daaa 3 days is about all I can do in Sosua. However I have a huge smile on my and no juice left in my Dick, Please tell me he is joking/

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

For mongers the Sosua sex scene basically consists of 3 blocks with 5 large outdoor bars. The strip has about 200 girls which are looking to session with as many tourists per day as possible.

Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip. There is no reason to spend more than 1 week in Sosua. It gets old real fast.

I felt like a sex tourist in Sosua. There are no families vacationing there only guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

For mongers the Sosua sex scene basically consists of 3 blocks with 5 large outdoor bars. The strip has about 200 girls which are looking to session with as many tourists per day as possible.

Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip. There is no reason to spend more than 1 week in Sosua. It gets old real fast.

I felt like a sex tourist in Sosua. There are no families vacationing there only guys.[/QUOTE]Yuck no way 200 girls all available within an easy to walk three block radies and they all have nice thick bootys, and they all just want to jump my bones, icky, Yucky, And no family tourist either, aww man that F'and blow's

You mean they all have kids as well!"gosh" you never see that in America.

I think you are looking for Punta Cana you will find plenty of families vacationing there.

Chris

[QUOTE=Adinga;1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip.[/QUOTE]At any sex destination, bar, strip club or brothel on this planet, you will see the same women day after day. The object is to fuck different ones.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

For mongers the Sosua sex scene basically consists of 3 blocks with 5 large outdoor bars. The strip has about 200 girls which are looking to session with as many tourists per day as possible.

Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip. There is no reason to spend more than 1 week in Sosua. It gets old real fast.

I felt like a sex tourist in Sosua. There are no families vacationing there only guys.[/QUOTE]Agree with you about being bored there. 4 days is the longest I can be in Sosua and even then its gets boring. You do see the same girls over and over especially if you go there several times a year. You just got to get numbers and space out the girls during the day to kill the boredom.

I find vacations to Sosua are best keep short and sweet (under 7 days)

When you find a great girl the time flies by but if you have bad experiences just a few days can feel like eternity

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1456227]I got to get you on this one brother; so she probably was texting while you were humping with your eyes closed? LOL. Just fucking with you bro. But real talk, thats why I have no interest in fucking any of those D'latins girls. I would bang a girl that hangs out in New Gardens all day first. At least you are guaranteed a good effort without the bullshit. Damn! Chicas are asking for phone minutes now?[/QUOTE]Not exactly. LOL. It started with a massage. She was straddling me giving me the massage. When that was done thats when I noticed the phone had moved from the nightstand to the bed. She must have got that sucker when she reached for the lotion. My guess is she wanted to text, but if she couldn't do that she wanted to at least check to see who called or left messages.

I have heard guys say you should avoid chicas that approach you. To a certain extent I agree with that. About 30 minutes after that chica left, another chica came over that I met earlier that day. She handled her business, and she was pretty good. Stayed the night even though we never discussed price or how long she was to stay. BTW both chicas I met while sitting at Rockys. I think both chicas are more Rumba types rather than Dlatins. I have met more chicas sitting at Rockys than all my trips to Rumba or Dlatins. At Rockys I have the opportunity to vet them some without the noise or other distractions.

[QUOTE=Peppy007;1456198]Almost a year ago the management of el flow decided that they will no longer play reggaeton and dembow music. Don't remember what other style of music they banned. They opted for merengue bachata salsa and pop and dance. They admitted that theirb previous musical selections were attracting the type of crowd they wanted to eliminate. I don't blame them. As a man was shot and killed right in front of the place a year ago during a fight. The video even made it on youtube.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing that example. There may have been several shootings that occured at or near El Flow. One shooting I recall, happened last year August (I was there 3 days before) was with dominican men. But that incident may not be directly influenced by the music or the clientel at El Flow. Those guys were in a dispute with each other, plus other people were involved. That dispute moved from one club to the next. It just happened to end in front of El Flow. But I agree with you. The management probably did decide to change their musical selection at some point to appeal to a certain crowd / vibe (dominicans / locals) , and eliminate another.

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

For mongers the Sosua sex scene basically consists of 3 blocks with 5 large outdoor bars. The strip has about 200 girls which are looking to session with as many tourists per day as possible.

Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast seeing the same girls every night on the strip. There is no reason to spend more than 1 week in Sosua. It gets old real fast.

I felt like a sex tourist in Sosua. There are no families vacationing there only guys.[/QUOTE]It's a good thing we each think in our own heads. LOL.

For me, going to the beach to bath, drink, eat, snooze and possibly meet honies is enjoyable. Meeting guys for conversation or hanging out is enjoyable. Having my regulars meet me in Sosua is enjoyable. Occasionally having chicas cook is enjoyable. Going on day trips with favoritas or with friends is enjoyable. Trying out different restaurants in Sosua is enjoyable. Discovering different hotels or potential rental opps is enjoyable. Going to the dentist and getting work done cheaply is a blessing. Getting daily massages on the cheap is enjoyable. Getting a pedi or manicure is enjoyable. I enjoy going to the ball field and watch the youth or adults play. I don't do this, but friends of mine enjoy diving in Sosua. Some guys go to Cabarete for wind surfing. I enjoy having chicas teach me their dance moves. How about just relaxing and not concerned about work or other obligations, enjoying warm weather, especially when it's winter where one lives?

There are always new girls coming to Sosua day to day, month to month, some only later in the evenings. Even girls that took time off for various reasons and then came back (having their period etc) If a guy can see over a hundred plus women, that means those women are available for fucking. What about the other 2 or 3 hundred women not there at the time, but will show up sooner or later? You mean, a monger can't find a few sexy women that meets his physical expectations? Sosua aint a brothel with physical requirements. WTF are picky mongers looking for in a mongering destination? If the woman is of age, her having kids is more likely than not. Sosua boring based on someone elses "week" vacation? I don't think so. Like I have said before. One can only think in one head. And where ones stands on an issue depends on where they sit.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1456276]I imagine they were referring to something that is natural and perfectly legal in their own country. You have been too long in the colonies, Frannie.[/QUOTE]"He was sweet, just turned eighteen.

Well she was good, you know what I mean." [Summer Nights from Grease].

Almost certainly just an easy rhyme, Pooter! (But 17 in the UK would be what they call "barely legal" in the US.)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456417]Sosua boring based on someone elses "week" vacation? I don't think so. Like I have said before. One can only think in one head. And where ones stands on an issue depends on where they sit.[/QUOTE]What he said. And what would one be doing at home that was more interesting? However the writer was perhaps simply starting to confront the issue that, having experienced it, meaningless sex with a different woman every day is not quite as rewarding as one might expect if ones expectations are based on fantasies, Internet porn, etc. And that the law of diminishing returns quickly kicks in, with successive encounters becoming progressively less novel and exciting. If you don't speak the language, that magnifies the effect.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1456359]I find vacations to Sosua are best keep short and sweet (under 7 days)

When you find a great girl the time flies by but if you have bad experiences just a few days can feel like eternity[/QUOTE]I find that folks that complain about a place, it's often because they themselves did not have a good time. Has nothing to do with the place. For instance. You can have a group of women go to a club together. The ones who danced and possibly met someone will report having a good time, while the women that sat on their ass, never danced and never interacted with anyone when approached will claim the place was lousy or boring.

Wild and Loose by The Time has a section in the song where some chicks are in the club digging on members of the group. They are having a great time, until they get get dissed by Morris Day. Then the girls quickly change their tune, call him a jerk and claim that was the worst concert they have ever been to. That's why I say. Where one stands on the issue usually depends on where they sit. Their POV will change depending on what they experienced. I'd guarantee, if that same type of individual met an unfortunate incident with a chica or the police, they would definitely blame their whole misfortune on Sosua.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456400]Thanks for sharing that example. There may have been several shootings that occured at or near El Flow. One shooting I recall, happened last year August (I was there 3 days before) was with dominican men. But that incident may not be directly influenced by the music or the clientel at El Flow. Those guys were in a dispute with each other, plus other people were involved. That dispute moved from one club to the next. It just happened to end in front of El Flow. But I agree with you. The management probably did decide to change their musical selection at some point to appeal to a certain crowd / vibe (dominicans / locals) , and eliminate another.[/QUOTE]Both of those videos are deep in the Gogo forum. The killing was the ending of an altercation that started at El Toros with some Canadian guys disrespecting a Dominican who went and got his friend. The friend bought his gun. The video is riveting as the guy with the gun is ambushed by a guy with a chair.

The other one is the girl who looks like "Halle Berry" walking in and pistol whipping a couple people before shooting and leaving. Anyone esnt to see the video, check back about 15 months in the gogo forum.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1456423]And what would one be doing at home that was more interesting? . If you don't speak the language, that magnifies the effect.[/QUOTE]That's a good point. Why go to Sosua if where one came from is supposedly more interesting? And of course a language barrier or unable to relate to the culture can also be a major factor.

I have heard people talking and saying that they hate Sosua. Then later find out that they had been wronged by a working girl. If you have a bad time in Sosua because of a working girl don't blame the area for they are a lot of good people there that would help you out in any way infact if they would have ask some of the local's about the girl that had wronged them they would have told them to leave that chica alone.

[QUOTE=Adinga;1456252]Most of the girls have kids and are alittle overweight. It gets boring real fast.[/QUOTE]Some guys can only make it happen in Sosua. If you're not one of those guys, there are plenty of opportunities to mix things up in other cities and countries. Don't let the grass grow between your toes; keep it movin'.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1456436]I have heard people talking and saying that they hate Sosua. Then later find out that they had been wronged by a working girl. If you have a bad time in Sosua because of a working girl don't blame the area for they are a lot of good people there that would help you out in any way infact if they would have ask some of the local's about the girl that had wronged them they would have told them to leave that chica alone.[/QUOTE]True! In addition, some have become disappointed or turned off because much of Sosua's action may not resemble what they were used to. Unable or unwilling to adapt (in Sosua) , they resort to disliking Sosua and moving on. Which is fine. Their departure does not ruin someone elses vacation or ability to make new friends.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1456438]Some guys can only make it happen in Sosua. If you're not one of those guys, there are plenty of opportunities to mix things up in other cities and countries. Don't let the grass grow between your toes; keep it movin'.[/QUOTE]True, don't let grass grow between your toes. This last trip. I was back and forth between SD, Santiago, Puerto Plata and Sosua. I stayed in Sosua 3 different days / nights while on vacation. I went elsewhere to check out other contacts I had in other cities. All done in 12 short days. Stayed 15 days in Sosua in May / June. Rented a car and was all over the place.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1456436]I have heard people talking and saying that they hate Sosua. Then later find out that they had been wronged by a working girl. If you have a bad time in Sosua because of a working girl don't blame the area for they are a lot of good people there that would help you out in any way infact if they would have ask some of the local's about the girl that had wronged them they would have told them to leave that chica alone.[/QUOTE]Actually, never had a bad experience with a girl in Sosua. Scammed once or twice for a drink but really didn't care. What I dislike about Sosewer is its Viper Pit vibe. After a while the large congregation of Mongers wears on you. After about 2 days of busting nuts, it becomes disturbing to be chilling at the bar talking to chicas as the guy next to you is running down a porn check list with every chick that passes by and wondering why he is being quoted outlandish prices and having bad outcomes.

I'm actually hoping they close Passions, CMP and alike down with major demolition of the remaining jack shacks. Its like Rio has simply gone too far and not just because of the "Bottle Poppers" Mainly the scooglies so called directing traffic and self proclaimed vets.

Is latino market still the best place to buy generic viagra? Didn't look like much of a pharmacy.

Whats the next best choice closer to the action?

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1456465]Is latino market still the best place to buy generic viagra? Didn't look like much of a pharmacy.

Whats the next best choice closer to the action?[/QUOTE]It is not a pharmacy, it is a convenience store, but it is the cheapest. You can buy the same generic Viagra from the money change guys for five times the price (I think they get it from Latino Minimarket) if you can't be bothered to walk a few hundred yards. Or you can get it in the pharmacies. There is one at the Metro Bus station, about 30 yards from Rumba Bar. Is that close enough?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1456306]Going to Sosua and feeling like a sex tourist. How is that possible?daaa 3 days is about all I can do in Sosua. However I have a huge smile on my and no juice left in my Dick, Please tell me he is joking/[/QUOTE]I've been going for so long, I got to the point where 4 days was all I could take. But then I learned something. I was going from Thursday to Sunday. That means "Rush-Hour" and everything that comes with it (only middle seats available on the flights, high flight prices, weekend "ballers", and the putas that love to shake them down, etc)

So I started going from Sunday to Friday. That way, I can catch the weekend girls that haven't left yet, and then enjoy a semi-peaceful week and bail out just when the new arrival mongers show up, and the hardcore weekend putas return. Chicas are much more open to negotiating on a Tuesday than on Saturday night.

Just my $.02

[QUOTE=Frannie;1456487]It is not a pharmacy, it is a convenience store, but it is the cheapest. You can buy the same generic Viagra from the money change guys for five times the price (I think they get it from Latino Minimarket) if you can't be bothered to walk a few hundred yards. Or you can get it in the pharmacies. There is one at the Metro Bus station, about 30 yards from Rumba Bar. Is that close enough?[/QUOTE]Not too far, just a little intimidated going into a neighbood little store to buy v. Local girl working the front counter.

Updates: BBL is on the scene and gave me a report this morning.

Four Roses is closed.

Domino bar is closed.

Winners circle is demolished.

Beach vendors being moved out.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1456511]Not too far, just a little intimidated going into a neighbood little store to buy v. Local girl working the front counter.[/QUOTE]The woman on the cash register most of the time is the novia of the owner, an English guy, and she is not easily shocked. I think sales of sildenafil and tadalafil are one of their major lines of business, and they have some excellent condoms at a good price too. Anyway when you walk in there, they have a pretty good idea what you are there for, it is either the pills or the cold beer. You can sit at a table outside and enjoy your beer, so sidewalk cafe experience at colmado price.

The pharmacies also have local girls working there, though in one pharmacy they are often wearing Cialis brand polo shirts, in case you forgot what you came in for.

BTW, there is another pharmacy just half a block from New Garden hotel, next to the Bon ice cream parlor.

From Sosua News:

"We have seen an increase in the number of motoconchos (motorcycle taxis) in Sosúa the past few months. A reporter of Noticias ENN asked some motoconchos what has caused this. They said that the decline in the tourism sector is the cause that a lot of workers have lost their jobs. For example, Pablo Martínez and Juan José de la Cruz worded for more than ten years in the hotel industry. Now they are fired, they were forced to look for another source of income. Out of necessity they have now chosen to become motoconchos to make money to support their families. The problem is that there are now more motoconchos than tourists. The transport of school kids has also come to an end for the school holiday. So the life of a motoconcho is therefore more difficult."

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3420&article=1[/url]

[b]NOTICE[/b] the article said "decline in the tourism sector". There is no tourism other than sex tourism in Sosua, so are the referring to a decline in tourism island wide? From what others have said here, places like New Garden and Mary Rose have been booked solid. So monger tourism is still thriving?

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1456520]From Sosua News:

"We have seen an increase in the number of motoconchos (motorcycle taxis) in Sosúa the past few months. A reporter of Noticias ENN asked some motoconchos what has caused this. They said that the decline in the tourism sector is the cause that a lot of workers have lost their jobs. For example, Pablo Martínez and Juan José de la Cruz worded for more than ten years in the hotel industry. Now they are fired, they were forced to look for another source of income. Out of necessity they have now chosen to become motoconchos to make money to support their families. The problem is that there are now more motoconchos than tourists. The transport of school kids has also come to an end for the school holiday. So the life of a motoconcho is therefore more difficult."

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3420&article=1[/url]

[b]NOTICE[/b] The article said "decline in the tourism sector". There is no tourism other than sex tourism in Sosua, so are the referring to a decline in tourism island wide? From what others have said here, places like New Garden and Mary Rose have been booked solid. So monger tourism is still thriving?[/QUOTE]Nice article. Reinforces why the cruise ship business is vital for the overall Puerto Plata tourism. A legit tourism can not be sustained via budget mongers.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1456518]The woman on the cash register most of the time is the novia of the owner, an English guy, and she is not easily shocked. I think sales of sildenafil and tadalafil are one of their major lines of business, and they have some excellent condoms at a good price too. Anyway when you walk in there, they have a pretty good idea what you are there for, it is either the pills or the cold beer. You can sit at a table outside and enjoy your beer, so sidewalk cafe experience at colmado price.

The pharmacies also have local girls working there, though in one pharmacy they are often wearing Cialis brand polo shirts, in case you forgot what you came in for.

BTW, there is another pharmacy just half a block from New Garden hotel, next to the Bon ice cream parlor.[/QUOTE]Assuming she speaks english since her husband is english. Waiting for the rain to stop to take a walk.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1456548]Assuming she speaks english since her husband is english. Waiting for the rain to stop to take a walk.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think she does. Just say Sildenafil or Viagra and she will show you a pack of 4 tablets for 100 pesos, then you can say how many you want. It's very easy.

"pastillas de sildenafil por fabor."

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1456513]Updates: BBL is on the scene and gave me a report this morning.

Four Roses is closed.

Domino bar is closed.

Winners circle is demolished.

Beach vendors being moved out.[/QUOTE]Is Winner's Circle the bar on the corner opposite Merengue Bar? I noticed the roof had come down. Domino and Four Roses have been on their last legs for ages. I always notice the funky smell of those places when I pass by. Reminds me of when all the shanty prostitution bars opposite Crystal's in Puerto Plata were demolished, and the bars on the Malecon at Long Beach, almost ten years ago now, I think.

It's not all over until the fat lady sings. Oh, did she?

With all the grumpiness, race blaming and looking down on locals in the recent posts here I'm glad to see CubaDave remains upbeat and optimistic

Passion's gone? All the girls are now on the strip!

Chicas getting fat? Still more than enough slim girls to go around!

Don't like Dlatins? Try the beach, Rumba's, CMP. Etc.

Getting bored? Trying making friends with the mongers!

There's nothing and nobody stopping you from having a good time but YOU!

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1456569]Is Winner's Circle the bar on the corner opposite Merengue Bar? I noticed the roof had come down. Domino and Four Roses have been on their last legs for ages. I always notice the funky smell of those places when I pass by. Reminds me of when all the shanty prostitution bars opposite Crystal's in Puerto Plata were demolished, and the bars on the Malecon at Long Beach, almost ten years ago now, I think.

It's not all over until the fat lady sings. Oh, did she?[/QUOTE]Yeah, that was Winners circle. 4 Roses had some nice talent, that was my spot.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1455969]I have no problem with guys popping bottles, listening to load rap and acting an ass on their holiday. No issue with Timbos and Jerseys while out also. My singular issues are when stepping in a professional situation having the skill set and flat out common sense to act accordingly. However, Ghetto is ghetto and they deserve to have fun also. There is no difference between a drunken group of Bits, frat boys, Jersey Shore kids and these cats. Yall on Some other Race class crap.

Say what you want. Most of the girls love these guys as their closer to their ages, listen to roughly the same music and resemble what they see in rap videos. It's common sense. What do you think her first choice is if there are no dollars involved. Its going to be that kid in the Tims and La Laker jersey. Its not going to be an older gentleman poping Viagra every 20 seconds. Then to top it off, they pay better.

What's really coming out is an attempt to discredit the competition. A young kid of any ethnicity with money is always going to win out in DR. If he's a NY or Miami kid that knows that Barrio Slang its a rap; literaly. It's natural selection and 40 year old age differences between couples are not natural.[/QUOTE]Some guys have an opinion of how some guys represent themselves, and others don't have a problem with it? I don't get it? Where's the problem at? Where's the racism in that? Nobody is supposed to have an opinion? Is somebody claiming guys don't have a right to enjoy themselves?

I think you do have a point in regards to how many of the young women relate to many of the younger mongers, because they are closer in age. That is so true. However, the shelf life of many of the girls selling pussy doesn't last much beyond 30. By then, many of those chicas arent relying on sportfucking young mongers for what matters most. Security. They are looking at men that are more mature. And it don't mean the guy is 40 yrs older. He can be a whopping 10 to 20 yrs older. Shit a 50 plus old dude with a 38yr old woman can be a perfect match. Moreover, the young dudes in question are less likely to be relied on for stability purposes because they are more interested in fucking as many women as they can.

I know you mentioned if no dollars involved, her 1st choice is the dudes closer to her age. I never doubted that. But for what choice and how long? The problem with that concept, is that dollars is almost always involved, especially in Sosua. You think a chica is going to drop a older customer she has established a rapport with over a younger monger? That monger is going to have to wait his turn like anybody else. And especially since many of these girls have had dozens of dicks in them. Why the hell would the guys youth or what they have in common, make that much of a difference in a chicas choice of who to fuck 1st?

Another thing, I believe who pays more is debatable. Here's why. Young dudes are expected to last longer. Possibly fuck for hours, come and then go again. Older dude, may only need 20 or 30 minutes to nut, and he may be done. (varies from man to man ). The time it takes her to make her money with the young dude, and the freebies because he's so young and fine, she could fuck 3 or 4 grateful older dudes willing to pay her a lot more for less time fucking. You would agree wouldn't you? Especially since the older guy has to pop viagra every 20 seconds LOL

You have a point that some cats are about discrediting the competition. But I also believe many of us have legit opinions about how some guys are carrying themselves, and how it impacts on mongering overall. It don't have jack to do with them being young or the color of their skin. It's about how they represent themselves. Not to mention, the guys getting themselves in trouble because they werent thinking about the consequences of their actions or drawing too much attention to themselves.

One last point. I wouldn't give every single young dude carte blanche over older mongers just because of their youth. I have seen some atrocious looking young dudes coming to Sosua looking like they never seen the inside of a gym. And seen some older cats, who look like they take pride in their bodies and having good health. And would put many a youngster to shame when it comes to character, class and confidence. The females that have matured enough to know the value in that, they choose whoever has it, not simply because of ones youth or ability to make it rain. Lets not continue to make this into young against old. This is more about how you carry yourself and the impact of that representation and how others with power to make your life miserable choose to deal with it and / or exploit it.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1456557]Yes, I think she does. Just say Sildenafil or Viagra and she will show you a pack of 4 tablets for 100 pesos, then you can say how many you want. It's very easy.

"pastillas de sildenafil por fabor."[/QUOTE]Took the 10 minute walk. Latinos market.

Walked to the back counter, behind the check out register. Nobody there. Stoodn4 10 seconds, a middle age woman comes. I show her my prescription viagra bottle. She says no, only this, and pulls out the generic box of 96. I ask how much. She says 975. Take it to the register, the younger girl working it takes the money, gives me change, puts it in a bag, smiles, and says hola.

My initial impression was she was just smiling as she would do to any customer. I'm also thinking I just bought a huge box of boner pills. Now, I'm back at the hotel, and she may have been letting me know she could help me use the pills.

The money I save on buying this back home, makes the expensive airfare worth it.

Thanks frannie for the details making it a smooth transaction.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456591]But I also believe many of us have legit opinions about how some guys are carrying themselves, and how it impacts on mongering overall. [b]It don't have jack to do with them being young or the color of their skin. It's about how they represent themselves.[/b] Not to mention, the guys getting themselves in trouble because they werent thinking about the consequences of their actions or drawing too much attention to themselves.
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Thank you! Not once when discussing this topic was I concerned about the "competition". What competition, LOL? Get the fuck out of here. Everyone in Sosua is paying for the same pussy. It is only a matter of who is paying first!

DR is so dam hot that summer is not the best time. Sounds to me that mongers are keeping the doors open. I hope the powers that be see this. Blows my mine how guys can hate on a gift. 200 young girls all willing to fuck your brains out. Take a walk in a mall see the women you are suppose to date and avoid lusting after the ones you want. Your asses will run to Sosua like a man dying from thirst. You give me 200 plus girls waiting to fuck me. You will not hear any complaining. Checkout what $35 for local pussy will look like in the US make it a 100. I have managed to meet several fresh 18 and 19 year old girls on every trip.






[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1456570]With all the grumpiness, race blaming and looking down on locals in the recent posts here I'm glad to see CubaDave remains upbeat and optimistic

Passion's gone? All the girls are now on the strip!

Chicas getting fat? Still more than enough slim girls to go around!

Don't like Dlatins? Try the beach, Rumba's, CMP. Etc.

Getting bored? Trying making friends with the mongers!

There's nothing and nobody stopping you from having a good time but YOU![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456591]One last point. I wouldn't give every single young dude carte blanche over older mongers just because of their youth. I have seen some atrocious looking young dudes coming to Sosua looking like they never seen the inside of a gym. And seen some older cats, who look like they take pride in their bodies and having good health. And would put many a youngster to shame when it comes to character, class and confidence. The females that have matured enough to know the value in that, they choose whoever has it, not simply because of ones youth or ability to make it rain. Lets not continue to make this into young against old. This is more about how you carry yourself and the impact of that representation and how others with power to make your life miserable choose to deal with it and / or exploit it.[/QUOTE]There are some atrocious looking people of all ages and ethnicities. In general the chicas want a guy who has good hygiene, good health, and a pleasant manner. Some things are just common sense, like chicas who don't smoke, which is a lot of them, will usually prefer not to be around guys who smoke. Most chicas don't really want to be around heavy drinkers either, but they will do what it takes to get a pay day.

But financial security trumps all. Many chicas have children, and what do they want for their children? Enough wherewithal to provide them with food, healthcare, clothing, toys, education, etc. Just the same as mothers everywhere. So they will tend to make more of a play for men who appear to be what used to be called "a good provider". But that doesn't mean they won't go with other guys too, because they may not have that much of a choice, and money is money.

I am not terribly convinced that physical attraction or a shared taste in music is all that important to most of them. The idea of shared interests is one that seems to be important in the US dating culture, but less so in the DR. And the sex is a two-edged question, depending on whether they really want someone who won't bother them too much, or someone who will never leave them alone. If sex is work, then you might want an easy assignment.

So why DID Jackie Kennedy marry Aristotle Onassis?

[blue]And in the personals column, there was this letter I read:

"If you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain.

If you're not into yoga, if you have half-a-brain.

If you like making love at midnight, in the dunes of the cape.

I'm the lady you've looked for, write to me, and escape."[/blue]

But yes, they will prefer a young good-looking millionaire to an old one, but that situation doesn't arise very much.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1456601]Thank you! Not once when discussing this topic was I concerned about the "competition". What competition, LOL? Get the fuck out of here. Everyone in Sosua is paying for the same pussy. It is only a matter of who is paying first![/QUOTE]That's a lie. There are drastic differences in what some pay and quality else some wouldn't be asking for 2,500 & 3,500 and get it nightly. Its beyond common sense to think the 1,000DOP to a <5 foot dragger is applicable to all Chicas. Its flatly obscured and intelectually dishonest. Your constantly in a competition for resources. Pussy generall being the most sought after.

I have seen what some call 6-7. Its Dominican ghetto trash SW's equivalent to 4-5 in home states.

[quote=frannie; 1456617]there are some atrocious looking people of all ages and ethnicities. in general the chicas want a guy who has good hygiene, good health, and a pleasant manner. some things are just common sense, like chicas who don't smoke, which is a lot of them, will usually prefer not to be around guys who smoke. most chicas don't really want to be around heavy drinkers either, but they will do what it takes to get a pay day.

but financial security trumps all. many chicas have children, and what do they want for their children? enough wherewithal to provide them with food, healthcare, clothing, toys, education, etc. just the same as mothers everywhere. so they will tend to make more of a play for men who appear to be what used to be called "a good provider". but that doesn't mean they won't go with other guys too, because they may not have that much of a choice, and money is money...[/quote]bwaaaaaaaaaa! a young attractive woman cares absolutely nothing about long term financial stability else they wouldn't be tricking especially in sosewer. that kind of long term thinking is anachronous to a person of that age universally. its not until much later, as you pontificate so loudly, does that thinking set in. its how many and how much can i get out of these john's in the short time this pussy tight. to think otherwise is the height of delusionality. they build working guidelines and arrangements few relationships. you don't think these women peep our game?

trick national moto:

financial security is: "who got thar dollar when i need it and if i can get some good dick from a dude i am attracted to, even better."

no games sees no game.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1456591]But I also believe many of us have legit opinions about how some guys are carrying themselves, and how it impacts on mongering overall. It don't have jack to do with them being young or the color of their skin. It's about how they represent themselves. Not to mention, the guys getting themselves in trouble because they werent thinking about the consequences of their actions or [b]drawing too much attention to themselves[/b].
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Wrx2005 couldn't have written truer words. When us Vets talk about dudes coming to Sosua like they are fresh off the set of a rap video, everybody comes down on us as if we are hating on them.

This is from the Medellin, Colombia forum in response to a guy who just got robbed of his iPhone 5, $800 in cash, and his Gucci watch:

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1456419]They seen you coming for miles! You had a target on your chest and back! Target: stinking like booze, broken Spanish, horny as fuck, pockets bulging with stacks of loot, and IMO the most stupid thing you did was rocking a Guccy watch! Why!

Fancy watches, gold chains, rings, jewelry, fancy shit. Leave that at home ya'll! Everybody leave all the usual "Look at me! Look at how Baller I am! Look at my VIP table in the Club!" at home! As a foreigner in any country you already stand out to begin with so there is no need to separate yourself further! This is equal to the Fattest, Slowest, Water Buffalo at the watering hole putting on lion attract perfume. You already a target do not make yourself out to be the best possible target! Hahahah! Cash, credit cards, passport and a Gucci watch that costs 5-8 months wages for a Colombian? Wow. Christmas come early! See what I"m saying? A gold chain and watch is a sure pay day! A girl might hope you have a few bucks but when the know they can take you for a few bucks and a clear as day bonus you going to get got![/QUOTE]

[blue]And in the personals column, there was this letter I read:

"If you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain.

If you're not into yoga, if you have half-a-brain.

If you like making love at midnight, in the dunes of the cape.

I'm the lady you've looked for, write to me, and escape."[/blue]

This sounds like words from a song about a man looking to cheat on his wife. LOL.

Radpoker

[QUOTE=Adinga; 1456252]I just returned from a 5 day vacation to Sosua and wasn't impressed at all.

Most of the girls have kids.[/QUOTE]From this statement it seems this monger may be used to mongering in Asia. There, many girls start in the business at a very young age to feed their parents and siblings physically and continue in the business to feed the greed of the same family as far as material possessions. These girls usually don't have children, having started in the business before the legal age. Whereas in Latin America I think the case is that most women get into the business to feed the children that they have birthed.

In the Asia threads you will see many times guys mention in their reports that the girl they had did not have a child as that is supposed to be a plus among most from that crowd. In this crowd, I think most work under the assumpton that the girl already has kids.

Read: My Name Lon, You Like Me by Derrick Sharron.

Each time I return to the DR I meet local people who make my trip better.

Place's in the DR may seem to be low class but if you were to go to the place's in the USA where they made about the same money as they do in the DR the neighborhood in the USA would be worse than anything you ever see in the DR.

Most people there make between 100 and 200 dollars a month. Can you imagine what the American's house's would be like if that is all they made. Not to mention what Americans physical body would look like. USA has projects (BRICK YARDS) Where people get 800 to a 1000 dollars a month. And if you have been to any of these you would probally rather be in the slum's of the DR.

I have went to local's house's each time I have been in the DR and for the most part they are always clean as a pin dirt floors and all.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1456633]That's a lie. There are drastic differences in what some pay and quality else some wouldn't be asking for 2, 500 & 3, 500 and get it nightly. Its beyond common sense to think the 1, 000DOP to a <5 foot dragger is applicable to all Chicas. Its flatly obscured and intelectually dishonest. Your constantly in a competition for resources. Pussy generall being the most sought after.

I have seen what some call 6-7. Its Dominican ghetto trash SW's equivalent to 4-5 in home states.[/QUOTE]I could be flatly mistaken Alex. But I don't see where the lie is? Or your disagreement. Savepros said [b]"Everyone in Sosua is paying for the same pussy. It is only a matter of who is paying first!"[/b]

He didn't say anything about what guys are paying. Like in how much. You responded as if he said "Everyone in Sosua is paying the same PRICE for pussy", and then you started mentioning what some pay and the quality etc etc etc. So IMO, you both are talking apples and oranges. No wonder you are in disagreement. You arent even arguing against the persons POV that you disagree with. LOL.

But here is where it can get real confusing. Earlier you said "What do you think her first choice is if there are no dollars involved. Its going to be that kid in the Tims and La Laker jersey. Its not going to be an older gentleman poping Viagra every 20 seconds. [b]Then to top it off, they pay better. [/b]."

When you mentioned that earlier, you said that to say younger mongers pay better than the older mongers. If you meant what you said, then the young dudes are paying more for the same pussy than the older dudes. Isn't that what you meant? But then, later you are implying that younger guys are paying less for the same juice, and the older guys are paying more if they want the same juice. I don't think anybody would disagree with that. Because the main point here, is that the chicas are available to most who pay her price. Whatever that price might be for that individual. And if the chicas are available to whoever pays her price, there is no real competition. The only competition is whose turn it is to pay.

Can you see how confusing this whole issue has become? On one hand you say young guys pay better than older guys. Which means the young guys are paying more than necessary. Which is another argument entirely, since the young chicas supposedly prefer them. And thats something older mongers would want to advise a young cat about. Why are you paying better if you don't have to? See my point?

But on another hand, you imply that the young cats are paying less and older cats are paying more? Which actually admits to the fact that everyone is generally paying for the same chicas, even if it isn't the same price.

One other thing to consider. The retired expats living in the DR just might be fucking the same young hotties the vacationing guys (of all ages) are fucking. And because they live there, it's likely they are paying less than guys on vacation. So while these young hotties are waiting for the return of their favorite young stud, they just might be maintaining some steady pocket change off of retired expats. You can advise me if I misunderstood you, and got it all wrong.

My Point is, for people to stop judging other mongers and making asinine assumptions of Dominican culture based on interactions with hookers. It's not about who pays first. It's about who will meet her price and those who are willing to pay it. It's still a competition and those that say it isn't are in make believe. Only leveling factor is money and that only goes so far.

Simply, enjoy yourself at what you do and stay out of others business.

Many guys have only visited Sosua or Boca Chica and think they know the DR or the DR people. It is like visiting Vegas in the US and thinking this is the norm. The DR people I have met are very hard working. The value of women and the price you pay is a personal thing. My tastes vary from day to day. I understand that sometimes you see a puta that you have to have and you will pay a premium. At the end of the day it is about satisfying your standards. I pay between 1000 to 2000 for ST. I have had no problem securing every puta [I] Wanted. Everyone has their preferences. The oxygen Guys swear they are getting the best pussy in the world for their 400 dollars a day. While there are guys on the forum who claim they can get all they want for 500 pesos. In truth there is no right or wrong just styles.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1456870]Each time I return to the DR I meet local people who make my trip better.

Place's in the DR may seem to be low class but if you were to go to the place's in the USA where they made about the same money as they do in the DR the neighborhood in the USA would be worse than anything you ever see in the DR.

Most people there make between 100 and 200 dollars a month. Can you imagine what the American's house's would be like if that is all they made. Not to mention what Americans physical body would look like. USA has projects (BRICK YARDS) Where people get 800 to a 1000 dollars a month. And if you have been to any of these you would probally rather be in the slum's of the DR.

I have went to local's house's each time I have been in the DR and for the most part they are always clean as a pin dirt floors and all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1456633]That's a lie. There are drastic differences in what some pay and quality else some wouldn't be asking for 2,500 & 3,500 and get it nightly. Its beyond common sense to think the 1,000DOP to a <5 foot dragger is applicable to all Chicas. Its flatly obscured and intelectually dishonest. Your constantly in a competition for resources. Pussy generall being the most sought after.[/QUOTE]The chicas are constantly in competition with each other for access to natural resources which can be pumped for cash, though sometimes they may enter into strategic alliances known as threesomes because sharing the resource well, although not as rewarding, can be better than going dry.

Pussy in the DR, as a commodity, is like drinking water. It is in abundant supply and has almost no intrinsic value, but that doesn't stop people from marketing it under fancy labels and making a good living by selling to label-conscious consumers, such as devotees of the Passion's brand or the Jennifer Lopez brand.

Those chicas who have personal brands that command value in the market place may indeed collect higher royalties for use of their pussies when market conditions are favorable, for example Superbowl weekend, but in adverse market conditions will typically also lease the same facility off-label to non-premium purchasers at similar prices to generics if necessary to maintain cash flow for running expenses.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1456888]I could be flatly mistaken Alex. But I don't see where the lie is? Or your disagreement. Savepros said [b]"Everyone in Sosua is paying for the same pussy. It is only a matter of who is paying first!"[/b]

He didn't say anything about what guys are paying. Like in how much. You responded as if he said "Everyone in Sosua is paying the same PRICE for pussy", and then you started mentioning what some pay and the quality etc etc etc. So IMO, you both are talking apples and oranges. No wonder you are in disagreement. You arent even arguing against the persons POV that you disagree with. LOL.

But here is where it can get real confusing. Earlier you said "What do you think her first choice is if there are no dollars involved. Its going to be that kid in the Tims and La Laker jersey. Its not going to be an older gentleman poping Viagra every 20 seconds. [b]Then to top it off, they pay better. [/b]."

When you mentioned that earlier, you said that to say younger mongers pay better than the older mongers. If you meant what you said, then the young dudes are paying more for the same pussy than the older dudes. Isn't that what you meant? But then, later you are implying that younger guys are paying less for the same juice, and the older guys are paying more if they want the same juice. I don't think anybody would disagree with that. Because the main point here, is that the chicas are available to most who pay her price. Whatever that price might be for that individual. And if the chicas are available to whoever pays her price, there is no real competition. The only competition is whose turn it is to pay.

Can you see how confusing this whole issue has become? On one hand you say young guys pay better than older guys. Which means the young guys are paying more than necessary. Which is another argument entirely, since the young chicas supposedly prefer them. And thats something older mongers would want to advise a young cat about. Why are you paying better if you don't have to? See my point?

But on another hand, you imply that the young cats are paying less and older cats are paying more? Which actually admits to the fact that everyone is generally paying for the same chicas, even if it isn't the same price.

One other thing to consider. The retired expats living in the DR just might be fucking the same young hotties the vacationing guys (of all ages) are fucking. And because they live there, it's likely they are paying less than guys on vacation. So while these young hotties are waiting for the return of their favorite young stud, they just might be maintaining some steady pocket change off of retired expats. You can advise me if I misunderstood you, and got it all wrong.[/QUOTE]As an expat living here and loving it, and them, you got it right.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1456888]I could be flatly mistaken Alex. But I don't see where the lie is? Or your disagreement. Savepros said [b]"Everyone in Sosua is paying for the same pussy. It is only a matter of who is paying first!"[/b]

He didn't say anything about what guys are paying. Like in how much. You responded as if he said "Everyone in Sosua is paying the same PRICE for pussy", and then you started mentioning what some pay and the quality etc etc etc. So IMO, you both are talking apples and oranges. No wonder you are in disagreement. You arent even arguing against the persons POV that you disagree with. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's his game; changing his original argument to make your response to him seem irrelevant. He did that with the Carnival Port postings a few days ago and Charles Pooter called him on it as well. We do not refer to him as Alex Douche and mostly ignore him for nothing.

You're catching on :).

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1456943]As an expat living here and loving it, and them, you got it right.[/QUOTE]And so say all of us. As far as the majority of chicas in Sosua bars go, the best you can do is find a good body and an enthusiastic attitude, which can be done fairly easily for not much money, regardless of your own demographic profile. High class chicas, such as medical students, doctors, lawyers, journalists, chicas who are knowledgeable about DR life and politics, might be worth a bit more money as you can have interesting conversations as well as sex, but they are few and far between, so you may just as well stick to the ones who have the kind of shell and infrastructure that you like and keep it light. Elasticity of demand is hardly a factor at all at the 1000 to 1200 price point.

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[quote=riky rapido;1456943]as an expat living here and loving it, and them, you got it right.[/quote]that's the main point of contention. most of the weekend warriors fvck and get up. don't care about you or your on going budget. its actually a sex holiday at bargain prices comparatively. you can yell, give unwarranted and unsolicited advice all you want as a resident as you shuffle through the left overs. i've been there sunday through thursday ain't no 10's in that group.

explain the game as you see it and stfu about other mongers.

[quote=savepros321; 1456953]yes, that's his game; changing his original argument to make your response to him seem irrelevant. he did that with the carnival port postings a few days ago and charles pooter called him on it as well. we do not refer to him as alex douche and mostly ignore him for nothing.

you're catching on.[/quote]no, you and charles didn't even read your own dayum article. like i said, keep watching this ain't your turning on lights and watch the roaches rep001ter cleanups. businesses will be shuttered, demolished and not allowed to return. oh wait, that's already happening.

i got a good friend in this discussion; time.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1454748]I hate that we are talking about this topic yet again, but I just had this conversation yesterday with a friend of mine. He made the comment that the powers that be, are upset about the "young black guys who are taking over Sosua". Can one of you guys explain this to me. What is the difference?

15 years ago, white guys from Europe and the US went to the DR and drank alcohol, went to the beach and fucked Chicas. Now the demographics are young black males from the states. However, what are they doing any different than the white guys? The answer? NOTHING! Black men go to Sosua to hit the beach, drink alcohol and fuck chicas!

Its the same stupid bullshit I used to hear about Rio. Oddly, nobody said how Copa was being destroyed when the white guys used to drink beer, fuck garotas and listen to AC / DC all night in Club Help. But when black men bought bottles of champagne, fucked garotas and listened to hip hop, all of a sudden assholes came out of the woodwork to say how Copa is now ruined!

One last point, For all the dumb asses on the board. Help was closed because Rio got the World Cup and the Games, it had absolutely nothing to do with the color of the sex tourists that went to Help.[/QUOTE]Co sign! You are so on point sir.

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[QUOTE=Tarriqq;1456963]Co sign! You are so on point sir[/QUOTE]Who cares about what the idiots say about black guys. It won't affect anything out side of you getting upset over an idiot who doesn't like black people anyway.

[QUOTE=Tarriqq;1456963]Co sign! You are so on point sir[/QUOTE]Sadly you are wrong my friend. It's all about race and the Dominicans and Braxilians and Cubans are the biggest racists of all, watch the pbs special about it.

I now have a nervous twitch when I hear someone say yhe word baby.

Every time a chica started a sentence with that word, I knew it was going to cost me someyhing.

Baby, buy me a drink.

Baby, I'm hungry.

Baby, I need minutes for my phone.

Baby, I good. Give me more pesos.

Never here them say baby, you soo good I pay you.

You forgot some.

My hermana is watching for my baby, but she need to work now. I need to go home.

My baby is hungry.

My baby is sick.

My baby needs stuff for school.

My baby died in a motoconcho accident on the way to school. I must pay for the funeral.

To be honest I am no vet monger in the DR. But these chicas should become politicians in my country and give me 10% of their paycheck with all that excuses and lies haha. I would be rich.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1457099]I now have a nervous twitch when I hear someone say yhe word baby.

Every time a chica started a sentence with that word, I knew it was going to cost me someyhing.

Baby, buy me a drink.

Baby, I'm hungry.

Baby, I need minutes for my phone.

Baby, I good. Give me more pesos.

Never here them say baby, you soo good I pay you.[/QUOTE]

Just got back in the states today and had a great second trip in Sosua. Much better than the first. My first trip I spent the first four days trying to nail everything that I liked looking at without looking for that chemistry that would turn any time spent with any girl that much better. Eventually I settled down and found something nice towards the end. This trip I started out slow and kept it that way until I, again, found something 'nice' at the end. Like I said in my earlier "brief trip report," I refused to take anything home the first night so I could feel things out. Second night I made plans with the CMP girl to meet up at Plan B when she got off work so I was playing it easy just talking to some great guys at Rocky's when this absolute knockout Dominicana walked by and killed our conversation. She was dressed like a regular girl you'd find at the mall instead of a hardcore puta chica with stripper heels. Because of my upcoming "date" in an hour, I hesitated but my buddy didn't. That was the end of our talks and he said he's be right back in a few minutes. Yeah right I'm thinking. Well, sure as shit, he comes back with her 4-5 minutes later and tells me he brought a present. She had a sister, and an incredible one at that. Even hotter than her if that was believable. The sister too, was dressed in normal clothes [both in cotton t-shirts, short, but not slutty shorts, and sandals. ] So here I am, hating the fact that I made plans with a CMP girl that looks okay but I know gives fantastic BBBJ. I look at my watch and see I have exactly one hour to kill before meeting up with CMP girl and tell myself this girl is going to be the one girl this trip where looks are everything and I could care less about chemistry-it's like a work of art, you can't do anything really but just admire its near perfection. I say thank you to my bud and we go our seperate ways. Can't remember the chica's name but she speaks zero english and is 18 years old [so her and her sister said. ] Anyway, we walk down the street and I ask here how much she wants for her time for an hour. She sais 2000 pesos. I say no, I'll give you 1500. She doesn't like this so I say I'll give her 1500 and if I like you I'll give you a propina. She gladly smiles and accepts so off we go on a motoconcho to Mary Rose. We get to the gate and the security guard inside MR asks for her cedula. No cedula! Okay, so this is the part of the story where I tell how my southern head does my thinking for me and I take all the useful and much valued info I have gathered from this forum in the last few years and threw it all out the window. You guys know where this is going I'm sure. The guard and her go back and forth for a minute or two and she seems to be pleading and he seems to be caving. At this time I'm already thinking of everything I read on this board about how this is the biggest red-flag / no-go situation next to trying to buy a kilo of coke from a random motoconcho guy. What does my dumb ass do? I take her up anyway because she certainly looks 18 if not older I'm thinking. She sais the security guy said okay but wants a propina and I say okay. Before I go any further, I know some of you are already about to tear me a new asshole for this, and I deserve it. I don't think anyone should go down there and play Russian roulette but that is exactly what I did that night; I'm sure the alcohol was blurring my common sense. Feel free to flame me if you want, I know I took a huge gamble- Back to the report; the girl was pretty good. Absolutely a dream to look at, gave decent BBBJ, and sex wasn't the best but it certainly wasn't bad. I was trying to rush it because of the CMP chica. So, fuck-up number two; the condom breaks and neither of us realized until after the act was finished. Only the very tip of it busted and I did one of those halfway cum inside and outside / back and forth things when I came so there was probably some cum that went in her. She was in the bathroom showering when I tried taking the rubber off only to see what had happened. Holy fuck I am thinking! She comes out and tells me what I already know but she's not flipping shit. She was pretty chill the whole time during everything. Anyway, I try to rush her out and make her happy by giving her 1500 we agreed upon plus 600 more for propina and motoconcho money, oh, and with a promise of repeat business that I had zero intentions of following up on. I gave the security guy 500 pesos as well. All in all, if I could go back with a level head I would not do this even knowing nothing bad came out of it. I could be sitting in DR jail for a very, very long time right now. Lesson learned; I checked every cedula before negotiations from then on.

On to the rest of the report: I made it to Plan B just in time and killed an hour there without CMP chica showing up. Thank God I was thinking because the only reason I was there at that point is because I promised her I would be there no matter what. I am a man of my word, even if it is to a prostitute. Later on I found out that she said her period started and that was why she didn't show up. Whatever. Maybe it was the truth, maybe not who cares. I never pursued it again. After I left Plan B, I went to D'latins and hoped to see the same talent I saw Wednesday night. There were a lot of chics there, but not the one I wanted that was from santiago I met the night before. I was rolling solo too and that place is just too damn much of a plastic, rush-rush, meat-market for me to hang solo in. I decided to go to El Toro across the street just to chill and watch the crowd. Ended up sitting a few chairs away from a really cool chica. Name is Karina, about 5'8", curvy but not fat. A large girl though and a little too large for my liking when it comes to sex. However, she was really cool. She came over after a few minutes and spoke decent english, never once put the hustle on or tried to push me to do anything which is admirable in that town. We talked a bit, laughed, and I bought her one Cuba Libre after a half hour of talks, another half hour later, even though she doesn't ask to come home with me we're on the talks of sex of course and I say that I'm not looking for sex because I hate condoms, she sais ok what about a BJ? SHe sais she likes giving them and thinks she's good at it. I ask how much and she sais 1200 pesos. Hmm, okay, I could probably get her down to 1000 but what's 200 pesos with an already lower than typical 1500 for ST? We go back to my place and she gives a fantastic, take-your-time, pornstar style BJ. The best I've had in years actually. Deepthroat with corkscrew action, plenty of attention on the balls, snot and saliva flying everywhere, non-mechanical to say the least. PM me if you want her phone number. I gave her 1200 plus 300 for a propina because it was that good.

Friday night: Head back out to the strip after a long day of tanning at playa Sosua. This time I went with another bud from Mary Rose. His first night so like the other guys, I told him the few basics and we went window shopping. I ended up finding a gorgeous dominicana that works at CMP but was off the clock. I spent a good 45-minutes with her, good chemistry and the chica was fine. Her friend, same deal; CMP but off the clock, was a flaca that my friend really liked. We kicked it with both these girls with intentions of taking both home. Well, my friend is drunk and we lost him in the crowd. His chica was worried and I think I almost started to see tears in her eyes. I promised to look for him and I did to no avail. They were there when I came back. So I start to negotiate TLN with my chica. She wanted 3000 pesos, I said no 2000. She said no and gave the look that she wasn't going to budge and said she gets 4000 in CMP. Well guess what,"you're not in CMP," I told her."You're here at D'latins with me." She shook her head and that was it, I walked off. Fuck that, I'll find someone just as hot or hotter. Plus, I will at least try to do my part by keeping prices where they should be and have been. Anyway, I go back to El Toro and see BJ Queen from last night. She sais she wants to kick it and only because she likes me. I say sure what the heck. It's about 3AM and people are starting to head to After 1. We start walking down the street with her chica friend and she sais she wants weed, waves down a random motoconcho and 3 minutes later he comes back with some MJ. She takes me to her place and I watch her smoke a blunt and change clothes with her friend. I didn't feel unsafe with this girl because of the previous night. After she does her thing we went to that 24 hour bar / restaurant Cocacabana I think is the name that is right off of calle Alejo Martinez.about this place, it's where chicas go when they're done looking for mongers or when After 1 gets out. Pussy is still to be had at 6AM in Sosua LOL. We get a few beers and her and her friend get dinner, I pay of course the 600 pesos almost. She wants to come back to my place and I tell her that I'm too tired to fuck, I just want to go to sleep. She sais np, I'll give you a massage to put you to sleep and no charge, because I like you. Uh, okay LOL. Well, she gives me a damn good massage, like one that you'd pay $60+ an hour for. Feet, legs, back, arms, hands, the works. And then I passed out. Woke up around 10-11AM and she wakes up too, goes right for my dick and gives another rockstar BBBJ. We kick it for a few, she likes the Direct TV that is st up at Mary Rose but she knows I don't want to spend time in my room watching TV all day so she gets ready to leave shortly and I hand her 1500 pesos for a "propina." She sais, no I told you no money, You're fun to hang with. Whatever, I believe her. I still gave her the money anyway.

Saturday: Straight to the beach. Hung out there all day and on my way out went to pay for the chair when I noticed a nice looking dominican girl smile at me. She was with her family and I was quickly introduced to the chica by her english speaking aunt that was visiting from the states. The girl turned out to be 23 years old from Santiago and a medical student, not a puta chica LOL. Well, we kicked it well into the night on the beach, I even gave her some free swimming lessons and a little making out her and there. The family invited me to come out with them to their family's bar in Sosua. It's right passed Passions on the same side of the street. So, I ended up going there that night thinking I'm about to score with a normal dominican girl instead of a P4P chica. She did like me but was leaving for Santiago early in the morning so couldn't stay with me that night. Said she was coming back on Tuesday to spend the day with me. We got on FB together and I got to check out all her culo pics she psots on FB LOL. Funny, even the respectable DR chicas still love to show off their culos. So, I go home and get some sleep instead of prowling around Saturday night.

Sunday: Back to Playa Sosua and, again, have another family I meet at the beach try to hook me up with their 19 year old daughter, niece, cousin, you name it; they were all there being Sunday / family day at the beach. Her cousin was 18 and hot as fuck visiting from New Jersey but only lived there for two years since leaving the DR. She was the one I really wanted to hook up with. And why I stuck around for a bit. Anyway, exchanged FB info again and I was off. Head back to Mary Rose and shower and get ready for the night. I stop by the BBQ chicken shack close by [right next to Hotel Coco, ] and this is when I meet my chica for the rest of the trip. I'm waiting for my food and this hot little girl comes over to me at the bar and plants a beer in front of me. Can tell she has a little buzz going. This was my second time at this BBQ place, and it's pretty much the same people everyday, very family oriented like most DR places I assume. I meet her mom and the crew. Her mom is trying to pimp her out on me and she sais she wants to go with me. She's fucking hot, with a body like she works out at least 4 days a week, and only 18 [this time I check the I. D. LOL. ] Anyway, I take her back to the courtyard at MR and I ask how much she wants for her time. She starts off with 4000 pesos, psshhh! Yeah right. I counter with 2000. She sais 2500, and I counter with 2000 and say I never pay more than 2000 for TLN. She sais okay and agrees. I tell her to go get her swim suit, she does, we jump in the pool and have a blast. Found out that our sexual chemistry is on-fucking-point LOL! It was so good that I said fuck the condom and so did she. Yeah, yeah. I know I'm taking a risk but I also try to at least mitigate it most of the time. Sometimes, when it's that good, you got to go with it. It was the best sex I've had since my last serious GF 8 years ago that started off as a one-night-stand that lasted over two years because the sex was that damn good. Fuck it. Back to the report, we fucked a long time into the night, and then the next morning. Destroyed her poor little pussy LOL. Took her out to breakfast at Rocky's and gave her the 2000 pesos with plans on meeting up with her after I go to the beach.

The rest of the trip I spent with this girl. She immediately called me her GF and me her BF. She also never asked for money after that. Stayed with me every night. We went to the secluded beach right near Mary Rose and luckily I caught the fisherman coming in with a fresh catch who sold me about 12 pounds of fresh fish for 200 pesos LOL. Gutted and cleaned for cooking right in front of me. She took them back to her restaurant and cooked them for us and her family that night. Great dinner. This girl told me she loved me on day two and day three her mother asked if I am going to marry her daughter LOL. This girl fell hard for me, I mean hard. I know because of the tears. I'm sure some people will say that these girls are pros at acting and I won't disagree. However there is a difference between tears and a sob story and flat out balling several times a day and night because I am leaving.

The situation is Sosua but with a little twist I started to figure out. Her mom is / was a hardcore puta chica who's days are in her past. She speaks decent English and taught her daughter. The mom was always checking up on her, popping up at the beach for a few minutes, knocking on the gate at Mary Rose; no doubt she was pushing for mucho dinero from me. However, imagine being 18 years old and having to deal with being pimped out by your mother when your emotions are running in 5th gear. I did my best to analyze the situation and have fun at the same time. Trust when I say I got way more than GFE from this girl, she even let me try.and I say try- to fuck her in the ass, something I joked about earlier and she said she wanted me to because it was my last night and she wanted to show her love for me. Holy shit, how can you say no to that LOL. Anyway, even though she was in pain, and I went real slow. I'm about a little thicker than a regular sized redbull can but in a culo her size. Shit she was a trooper.

I won't lie, I felt something for her, or maybe it was the situation that she was in that got to me. As a decent looking gringo, with some basic Spanish, I've found that if you can meet some normal dominicans, or just get away from calle Pedro Clisante for a bit, you'd be surprised how you will be welcomed in to DR life. We are a meal ticket however, that's how they see us. I'm not a millionaire but they sure think I am. Based on how they live their day to day life, I kind of feel like on now sadly. Anyway, after I initially paid this girl 2000 pesos for TLN, she never asked for anything after that. Of course I payed for everything when we went out, and even bought her mother and some people at her restaurant some beers here and there. They weren't shy in asking at all [give blood and a lot of dominicans want bone. ] But I did give her 4000 pesos on my way out my last morning. She looked at me like what is this and I told her I know she needs it. The girl was collecting her stuff as I was packing and even took the toilet paper to put in her things. That sais something right there. She rode along with me to the airport with Rick's brother-in-law Johnny who took us; she was balling the entire way. I cried a little just because of her pain and I also didn't want to leave the DR. As of this moment, she has messaged me consistently on FB and even called me on her own minutes. Of course she has also mentioned getting a brides visa. Ouch. I wish her the best of luck but I don't intend on becoming a western union BF or getting married to an infatuated 18 year old no matter how wild her emotions are. I do feel bad for giving her hope though. I hope all goes well with her.

Okay, to sum things up I'll try and just get to the basics in this part of the report.

Forgot to say that I ended up blowing off the Santiago medico student witha flat out lie on FB that my family member passed just so I could hang out with the new-found sexual animal that I don't have to wear rubbers with lol...I'm going to hell :)

Playa Sosua: Sundays suck there cause it's family day and it's packed beyond belief and the local Dominicans come from all over just to trash the beach up without a care in the world. It's still ten time better than Cabarete though. Clear blue water, chicas are there, they'll play with your junk under the water, the sunsets are to die for [pics prove it. ]. The vendors are still there. Rick said they're are trying to work a deal somehow on getting payed to be forced out. Dunno. Oh, there was this little shithead guy from Boca Chica that spoke perfect English; young twenties with curly hair and a pot belly wearing underwear. All he does is cruise the beach looking to scam tourists by saying he'll introduce you to a nice girl that doesn't want money, just take care of him for meeting you guys up [1000 pesos taking care of him LOL. ] I told him I can find my own girls. Next day saw him again and later saw him trying to scam some dudes I met a few days back. The "non-pro" girls he was introducing to my friends were in-fact pros and he even got mad when my friend asked one of the girls how much. His scam is you give him money and take the girl back and fuck her. She'll then ask for about double what she'd normally get cause you never settled an agreement. I told this guy to his face to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off because for one you speak perfect English, are from Boca Chica. The place most notorious for scams in the DR, and what I already mentioned above. After that, his ass beat-feet. You can't miss this guy and if you see him, call him on his shit so he goes elsewhere.

A little Spanish goes a long way. This trip was ten times what last one was because I could speak and understand some of the basics. Once fluent, I would never go to Sosua again. I'd visit the real DR and rent a car traveling the whole country.

My friend that I mentioned in "Brief trip report," the broke guy, he ended up hitting up his baby-momma for some cash LOL. Ran in to him a few days later and he said all was good.

I'll touch on the race issue briefly since it was of recent discussion...again LOL. This time most of the guys I met on this trip were black [I'm white, ] and just cool dudes that knew the game and were fun to hang with. I met a lot of good people of all ages and types hanging out at Rocky's [ate breakfast there everyday and chilled sometimes in the late afternoon. ] In fact, everyone I met on this trip was trying to keep the hustle to 1500 ST and 2000 TLN. I only saw one group of tourist assholes and they were a bunch of white guys at The Spot [I think that is the name-next to El Toro, ] and these guys were asking for trouble; inconsiderate, loud, all had their shirts off, drunk, rude, absolute douches.

Mary Rose: I'll try to say what hasn't been said or is advertised on the website. For one, the grounds are kept well. Pool is cleaned daily. There is direct TV with lots of English channels. Laundry service is available for 300 pesos; they'll wash, fold and return in the same day. Rick has free phones for guests to use. Just give him a 1500 peso deposit and you get a phone to use, all you have to do now is buy the minutes [highly recommended btw to get a phone,] return it and get your deposit back. Everyone I met there at MR loved it and didn't complain about it not being right on the strip. One dude said it best, "you're on vacation, chill the fuck out," and have the chica come to you or moto her ass with oyu on the back for 100 pesos, no biggie. BTW, I found staying here, like Chris Long said, has its perks. You living where the locals live, there's no crime, just chicas during the day and some family hook-ups are even possible. I'd stay here again in a heartbeat, in fact, i will if there's room.

All in all, it was a great trip. I'll definitely be back. Sosua may not be what it was ten years ago, or the vets may not like it today, but there is still a great time to be had there and for us newbies it is still a Godsend from the United States. As long as you obey the rules. I'll be sure to try and follow them better next time.

Great Repor Trace,

I enjoyed reading all your 3 posts.

The 1st was tricky because there was no paragraphs but I can't complain because I can't even write proper English haha.

It seems you enjoyed your time well and I am glad for you.

Thanks for sharing what happened on your trip.

I wished that would have happened to me

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457147]Okay, to sum things up I'll try and just get to the basics in this part of the report.

Forgot to say that I ended up blowing off the Santiago medico student witha flat out lie on FB that my family member passed just so I could hang out with the new-found sexual animal that I don't have to wear rubbers with LOL. I'm going to hell.[/QUOTE]A nice break from all of the politics and racism talk! Took balls to fess up that you were banging it out raw, and fell just a little bit for her. Me thinks more folks partake than will admit. Thanks for the update. Helps me get prepped for 3 weeks from now.

Any word on Passions?

Wow finally somebody wrote a trip report. You are one wild crazy dude. Sign me up to be your wingman. You really know how to have a good time. It is very clear you know how to have a good time. I really appreciate your honesty. A lot of guys play the hard mucho guy and never have the fun you just did. The only thing that could make the story better if you hit the mom to. LOL just saying.

Glad you had a good time.

Some observations from my 2nd visit.

New garden was much busier, but far from crazy or noisy. Those 2 little dogs barking was the only noise. Not a ton of young guys, and there were quiet. Still very few girls there, and even less worth looking at. Old wing room was fine.

Dlatins is where you find the hotties. The later the better. Can't believe how crowded it must get during the busy season. Funny watching some girls sit off to the side. No interaction with guys, not the hotties, and no action. Some bottom feeders are more aggressive and at least have a chance of snagging a customer.

I, again, used the change guy in the booth just down from ng. Rate was 41.

Have yet to use the v from latinos market, but definitely a great price at 96 for 975. Using only 25 mg a pop, I'm good for a while, or very busy, LOL.

Dr girls need less babies and more time in the gym. How can the heavy ones walk around all day, not have food money, and still be heavy?

Coming home through mia was great. Immigration was empty. Got a chatty customs guy, but not about my bags, etc. New security re screening a breeze. Now, too much time before next flight. No free internet at mia.

Still need work on my days. Too quiet. Was going to try passions for days, but not a current option.

When it came time to talk money, I would ask the girl how much. If she threw it back to me start low. Its just like a car dealer. Some will ask a high price, just to see what they can get. I had 1 girl accept 1500, and was not as much fun in the room as she was in the bar. Was it cause the money? Or just her, idk. Would have given her a tip, what she asked, if the service was better. Didn't want to offer it, not get the service, and have her still expect it.

[QUOTE=Gas6459;1457071]Sadly you are wrong my friend. It's all about race and the Dominicans and Braxilians and Cubans are the biggest racists of all, watch the pbs special about it.[/QUOTE]No way, the biggestr racist of all are the Wasps (ever read Madison Grant the American guy that inspired Hitler) it just come out of an inferiority complex toward the mediterranean civilisations and their achieviments and was just the wish thinking to be superior without any other concrete support.

Cuban, Dominican and Brasilian racism is much millder and comes out of interaction and experience with people of different costumes. No inferiority complex and no wishing to be superior.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1457334]Some observations from my 2nd visit.

Dlatins is where you find the hotties. The later the better. Can't believe how crowded it must get during the busy season. Funny watching some girls sit off to the side. No interaction with guys, not the hotties, and no action. Some bottom feeders are more aggressive and at least have a chance of snagging a customer.

Have yet to use the v from latinos market, but definitely a great price at 96 for 975. Using only 25 mg a pop, I'm good for a while, or very busy, LOL.

Dr girls need less babies and more time in the gym. How can the heavy ones walk around all day, not have food money, and still be heavy?[/QUOTE]I didn't see any hotties and Dlatins. Maybe I was there too early (9 pm) , but I thought it was a cattle farm.

And the reason they are so fat is that diet. I thought I would eat the DR food to save money and delve into the culture. But they put lard in everything. Even the bean mixture that they put in the beans and rice is thick with added fat and so heavy that I could use it as a paperweight. I switched to western food because it was screwing up by GI habits. I never ate so many cheeseburgers in one vacation in my life.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1457378]I didn't see any hotties and Dlatins. Maybe I was there too early (9 pm) , but I thought it was a cattle farm.

And the reason they are so fat is that diet. I thought I would eat the DR food to save money and delve into the culture. But they put lard in everything. Even the bean mixture that they put in the beans and rice is thick with added fat and so heavy that I could use it as a paperweight. I switched to western food because it was screwing up by GI habits. I never ate so many cheeseburgers in one vacation in my life.[/QUOTE]I've never gotten sick when I've traveled. Try to stay with safe stuff. Probably safer than some mongering practices. Cheap food is usually fat food.

9 at dlatins is slow, and bottom feeders. Hotter girls are still next door. You think they are hott, till 11 at dlatins. As the night goes on, they get even better.

Another observation. Had 2 different girls, go for condoms in my drawer, next to my bed, without asking. Must be the standard hiding place.

Manny you must not get out much. Very few clubs are jumping at 9pm The less attractive ladies come out early usually and by 11 0r 12 the place is packed with about 200 ladies. Let say 1 out of 10 is a 8 or better. That gives you 20 plus ladies 8s or better. There are few places where you can find that many fine babes in one spot Classicos was absolutely amazing when it was open but DLatin has picked up the slack. Sosua is very easy to work. Early evening 4 to 9 Rumba bar 10 to 2am you hit DLatins. In between them you can hit the other bars. The DR diet is terrible. I never see green vegetables. I like a big girls every now and then but I have not seen that many in Sosua. One man's fat girl is another man phat girl. Kool out!

QUOTE=Manny51; 1457378]I didn't see any hotties and Dlatins. Maybe I was there too early (9 pm) , but I thought it was a cattle farm.

And the reason they are so fat is that diet. I thought I would eat the DR food to save money and delve into the culture. But they put lard in everything. Even the bean mixture that they put in the beans and rice is thick with added fat and so heavy that I could use it as a paperweight. I switched to western food because it was screwing up by GI habits. I never ate so many cheeseburgers in one vacation in my life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1456907]1) My Point is, for people to stop judging other mongers and making asinine assumptions of Dominican culture based on interactions with hookers. 2) It's not about who pays first. It's about who will meet her price and those who are willing to pay it. It's still a competition and those that say it isn't are in make believe. Only leveling factor is money and that only goes so far.

3) Simply, enjoy yourself at what you do and stay out of others business.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was bored. LOL 1) Not going to happen. Nobody here posting has the right to impose their will on others of what they can or cannot say or do. Even shit I hear from mongers in Sosua that I may not like, , I don't have the right to tell them what they can or cannot say / do. All one can do is complain about what others are doing. And deal with it. If one decides to let their concerns consume them. Thats their right and their problem. Nobody has to change because somebody else doesn't like it. 2) But it is about who pays 1st. Paying 1st means her price was met. And we all know that chicas get paid after the deed, not before. Whoever paid her price, before another monger, he's the one that got the pussy. Young or old, it don't matter. The reason it aint much of a competition, is because mongers often consult each other on a chicas performance and recommendations. Plus when you think you missed an opp, another cutie is usually within a few minutes or feet away. Guys don't have to pine over one chica because some dude just walked off with her. Besides, often enough. The chica might be done with that cat in an hour or the next day. More than enough opp for another guy to meet her price too. 3) Alex, me and you have no beef. But do you honestly think dictating to other posters / mongers like that is going to make a difference to them? Besides which slandered mongers needs a defense here or in Sosua? How is what is being said here hurting whoever you think is being slandered? I haven't heard one guy come to these boards complaining about being talked about personally. You know what that means? It means they don't even give a shit and aint even stressing over these boards, or what others have to say, here or in Sosua. People are enjoying themselves like you said, however people talking about other people is what we all do. Please don't tell me you have never talked about or criticized other people? If you can honestly say you have never criticized other people. I guess I am one of those in make believe. Peace and hairgrease.

Naw, I just enjoy my time where I like, pay what I think it's worth and ignore most. Just my interpretation of cat race. You don't have to like it.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1457433]Yeah I was bored. LOL 1) Not going to happen. Nobody here posting has the right to impose their will on others of what they can or cannot say or do. Even shit I hear from mongers in Sosua that I may not like, , I don't have the right to tell them what they can or cannot say / do. All one can do is complain about what others are doing. And deal with it. If one decides to let their concerns consume them. Thats their right and their problem. Nobody has to change because somebody else doesn't like it. 2) But it is about who pays 1st. Paying 1st means her price was met. And we all know that chicas get paid after the deed, not before. Whoever paid her price, before another monger, he's the one that got the pussy. Young or old, it don't matter. The reason it aint much of a competition, is because mongers often consult each other on a chicas performance and recommendations. Plus when you think you missed an opp, another cutie is usually within a few minutes or feet away. Guys don't have to pine over one chica because some dude just walked off with her. Besides, often enough..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1457425]Manny you must not get out much. Very few clubs are jumping at 9pm The less attractive ladies come out early usually and by 11 0r 12 the place is packed with about 200 ladies. Let say 1 out of 10 is a 8 or better. That gives you 20 plus ladies 8s or better. There are few places where you can find that many fine babes in one spot Classicos was absolutely amazing when it was open but DLatin has picked up the slack. Sosua is very easy to work. Early evening 4 to 9 Rumba bar 10 to 2am you hit DLatins. In between them you can hit the other bars. The DR diet is terrible. I never see green vegetables. I like a big girls every now and then but I have not seen that many in Sosua. One man's fat girl is another man phat girl. Kool out!

QUOTE=Manny51; 1457378]I didn't see any hotties and Dlatins. Maybe I was there too early (9 pm) , but I thought it was a cattle farm.

And the reason they are so fat is that diet. I thought I would eat the DR food to save money and delve into the culture. But they put lard in everything. Even the bean mixture that they put in the beans and rice is thick with added fat and so heavy that I could use it as a paperweight. I switched to western food because it was screwing up by GI habits. I never ate so many cheeseburgers in one vacation in my life.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Yes, general nightclubs are dead at 9 pm. But punting destinations should be well underway.

And I didn't say that DR food makes me sick. I said that it is loaded with added fats.

Thank you Trace and Ath Trainer!

Finally, we have some "Boots on the Ground" reporting. It sounds like both of you had a good time.

Thanks again for giving back to the forum.

Here are some pics from to add to my trip report below. No pussy shots or BJ pics sorry. I definitely wanted to take a video of Karina giving me a porn-style BJ but was advised by Rick to not shoot any video of that sort to avoid a setup. The pic of the chica without cedula doesn't do her justice. That girl will stop traffic LOL. The rest is of the girl I spent most my time with at the end of the trip. Hope you like.

[QUOTE=Trace79;1457504]Here are some pics from to add to my trip report below. No pussy shots or BJ pics sorry. I definitely wanted to take a video of Karina giving me a porn-style BJ but was advised by Rick to not shoot any video of that sort to avoid a setup. The pic of the chica without cedula doesn't do her justice. That girl will stop traffic LOL. The rest is of the girl I spent most my time with at the end of the trip. Hope you like.[/QUOTE]Info on Karina please.

[QUOTE=Trace79;1457504]Hope you like.[/QUOTE]. Good reporting and nice photos Trace. I am still trying to detox my body from seven nights of debauchery, before I post my executive summary report. My report will be more along the line of old fart meets a young tart. Keep up the good work.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1457179]A nice break from all of the politics and racism talk! Took balls to fess up that you were banging it out raw, and fell just a little bit for her. Me thinks more folks partake than will admit. Thanks for the update. Helps me get prepped for 3 weeks from now.

Any word on Passions?[/QUOTE]I got no shame bro. Everyone has emotions somewhere in them LOL. Passions doesn't look like it is opening anytime soon. From what Rick from Rocky's was talking about, it looks like Peter may be doing some hard time. Don't want to start the rumor mil back up on this subject though. Just count on it not being open. However you can pretty much have the same thing at CMP now though. I saw a few Passions chicas from last trip working at CMP this time. CMP is great if you want to go get a 2-hour lap-dance for the cost of one beer plus a drink for your chica at around 100 pesos if you're feeling generous. My few times in CMP I saw lots of dudes coming in for this but not buying. Lots of window shopping LOL. The owners [or management, ] didn't seemed too pleased. They need to come down on the prices because it's just not worth it if you ask me. You can find the same talent if not better on the street for cheaper. Just have your wits about you and go for looks as well as chemistry and you should be in for a great time. Oh, and BTW, DON'T run a tab at CMP and make sure you get correct change for every drink. I handed over a 2000 peso note and got change as if it were a 1000 peso note. I got my change back."Esta gringo no stupido, mi dinero por favor."

On the note of CMP, I was bullshitting with Rick at Mary Rose one day [he was getting a little tipsy drinking scotch on the rocks LOL. Good guy BTW, ] and he mentioned how he got fucked in CMP with a huge bar tab. He hates that place and was adament about mentioning how he'll help out his customers if they are ever in a bind as long as it is not in CMP. His words "you get fucked in CMP, you're on your own." His reputation has been before several times on this board so I don't have to add to it. Just a heads up. You get fucked there, he may not come to the rescue.

Eh, just don't go there anyway LOL. It's not worth it until they drop their prices. 4000 for TLN. Psshhhhhh, yeah right!

Everyone of them is a keeper.

[QUOTE=Trace79;1457504]Here are some pics from to add to my trip report below. No pussy shots or BJ pics sorry. I definitely wanted to take a video of Karina giving me a porn-style BJ but was advised by Rick to not shoot any video of that sort to avoid a setup. The pic of the chica without cedula doesn't do her justice. That girl will stop traffic LOL. The rest is of the girl I spent most my time with at the end of the trip. Hope you like.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1457443]Naw, I just enjoy my time where I like, pay what I think it's worth and ignore most. Just my interpretation of cat race. You don't have to like it.[/QUOTE]Thats exactly what others are doing Alex. Except they are doing it their way. As far as not having to like something. Whatever that "it" is, I'm sure it's a two way street.

[QUOTE=Trace79;1457504]Here are some pics from to add to my trip report below. No pussy shots or BJ pics sorry. I definitely wanted to take a video of Karina giving me a porn-style BJ but was advised by Rick to not shoot any video of that sort to avoid a setup. The pic of the chica without cedula doesn't do her justice. That girl will stop traffic LOL. The rest is of the girl I spent most my time with at the end of the trip. Hope you like.[/QUOTE]Very nice photos indeed.

[QUOTE=MS Clive;1457505]Info on Karina please.[/QUOTE]Not sure if I can post numbers but I'll try. 809-463-7788. She doesn't like D'latins cause it's so busy. You can find her hanging out at El Toro, usually right in front.

Excellent pics and report Trace, nice ass on that girl!

[QUOTE=Trace79;1457504]Here are some pics from to add to my trip report below. No pussy shots or BJ pics sorry. I definitely wanted to take a video of Karina giving me a porn-style BJ but was advised by Rick to not shoot any video of that sort to avoid a setup. The pic of the chica without cedula doesn't do her justice. That girl will stop traffic LOL. The rest is of the girl I spent most my time with at the end of the trip. Hope you like.[/QUOTE]What exactly do you mean "avoid a setup?"

Also by moto how long does it take to get to the strip from Mary Rose?

I like the idea of trying a different area and interacting with the locals more but I'm not sure if it's the best fit for a short stay (5 days)

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1457607]Excellent pics and report Trace, nice ass on that girl!

What exactly do you mean "avoid a setup?"

Also by moto how long does it take to get to the strip from Mary Rose?

I like the idea of trying a different area and interacting with the locals more but I'm not sure if it's the best fit for a short stay (5 days) [/QUOTE]What I mean by a "setup" is you taking video of anything in the bedroom and then being extorted by policia. In the DR you are guilty until proven innocent from what I hear. Trust me, you are there for 5 days, if you can get in to Mary Rose and there is room for you, go for it! You will not be disappointed! Even one day is worth it just because it is so easy to get to town. By Moto, it's really like a two minute ride. Walking is like ten minutes.

Appreciate the feedback man.

Thanks to your report I think I might just book a flight soon!

[QUOTE=Trace79;1457504]Here are some pics from to add to my trip report below.[/QUOTE]Nice pics. Looks like you had fun.

[QUOTE=DeepMmpactt; 1457509]Lmao!

Damn! Perry Mason another mystery solved and settled. LOL! And no you didn't say "; peace and hair grease" lmao! And Trace79 loved your trip report" What a "actual trip report" and the brothers didn't ruin it". Priceless" Maybe there is a "Easter bunny" Alex Deuce I got to agree, with Savepro, It comes down to who gets to pay first" This putaz are recycled" somebody will come before you. But I tell you what? I think I hold the record for being the "biggest Sapp" in ISG history paying Ana 3, 000 pesos for a garbage ass short time". I knew good and well how much she charged before going with her, serves my dumb ass right, for running up the price, ditching my "novia" and getting myself played. But it won't happen again. Hopefully. Lmao. Tribute to Mountain Lion aka High Class drifter. Over and out gentlemen. Lmao![/QUOTE]I rather ball out with the weekend warrior's than deal with the supposed vets while in Sosua and your missing the point; I don't care who came before or after. When I or friends are out enjoying a holiday, what the price is now is all that matters for what I want. Its the same game as the strip club. As for what other Mongers say I could give a rats ass. Most add a degree of shade to the game that is way unnecessary in a land of hookers.

975 pesos for 96 viagra tabs? Really? I bought a pack of 4 Viagra tablets (not generic) for something around 1500 pesos I believe, but these were 100mg a pop.

Hmmm, wondering if I just didn't go after something much more cost-effective or what. I'll have to check the V out at latinos market next time.

As for hotels, is NG better as compared to Sosua Suites? I'm looking to return soon and NG is frequently mentioned, mostly with good reviews but lately it seems as if people have mixed opinions based off the crowd that stays there. I could care less about the crowd I suppose, I'm in Sosua for some fun. I don't expect a lot of sleep and my body runs just fine with a few good hours of rest. What the crowd does there and who they are (as long as they are not dangerous) , it doesn't affect me really. Sosua Suites was just fine, very convenient location and right across from Rocky's. Bedrooms had a great AC although the rest of the apartment was incredibly hot, need the fan running or the bedroom door left open to offer some level of cool air to the rest of the place.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1457334]Some observations from my 2nd visit.

New garden was much busier, but far from crazy or noisy. Those 2 little dogs barking was the only noise. Not a ton of young guys, and there were quiet. Still very few girls there, and even less worth looking at. Old wing room was fine.

Dlatins is where you find the hotties. The later the better. Can't believe how crowded it must get during the busy season. Funny watching some girls sit off to the side. No interaction with guys, not the hotties, and no action. Some bottom feeders are more aggressive and at least have a chance of snagging a customer.

I, again, used the change guy in the booth just down from ng. Rate was 41.

Have yet to use the v from latinos market, but definitely a great price at 96 for 975. Using only 25 mg a pop, I'm good for a while, or very busy, LOL..[/QUOTE]

I can think of no better way to view the sunset. Very well done! Thanks for sharing.

RR

[QUOTE=OldKool;1457183]Wow finally somebody wrote a trip report. You are one wild crazy dude. Sign me up to be your wingman. You really know how to have a good time. It is very clear you know how to have a good time. I really appreciate your honesty. A lot of guys play the hard mucho guy and never have the fun you just did. The only thing that could make the story better if you hit the mom to. LOL just saying.[/QUOTE]Haha, I'm sure if I wanted to I could have had the mom LOL. Can tell she used to be a head turner back in her day. I'm glad you liked BTW. Most likely I'll be back next June / July after almost a year in Egypt for work. Wouldn't object at all to kicking it with a few presidentes with you or anyone else on this forum. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1457771]975 pesos for 96 viagra tabs? Really? I bought a pack of 4 Viagra tablets (not generic) for something around 1500 pesos

I paid 700 pesos each, for 3 boxes or more, at latino-mini mart. Another member graciously shared the info with me. Just trying to do my part to keep the prices sharp!

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457147]Okay, to sum things up I'll try and just get to the basics in this part of the report.

It was a great trip. I'll definitely be back. Sosua may not be what it was ten years ago, or the vets may not like it today, but there is still a great time to be had there and for us newbies it is still a Godsend from the United States. As long as you obey the rules. I'll be sure to try and follow them better next time.[/QUOTE]Thank you This sums up Sosua. As a vet things are never as great as they used to be. This is because back when it used to be this was a new experience for you and you remember the positives and ignore the negatives. The more you go the more jaded you get. Fewer new thrills. But when you think about it it's still great and in most ways still like it used to be.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1457771]975 pesos for 96 viagra tabs? Really? I bought a pack of 4 Viagra tablets (not generic) for something around 1500 pesos I believe, but these were 100mg a pop.

Hmmm, wondering if I just didn't go after something much more cost-effective or what. I'll have to check the V out at latinos market next time.

As for hotels, is NG better as compared to Sosua Suites? I'm looking to return soon and NG is frequently mentioned, mostly with good reviews but lately it seems as if people have mixed opinions based off the crowd that stays there. I could care less about the crowd I suppose, I'm in Sosua for some fun. I don't expect a lot of sleep and my body runs just fine with a few good hours of rest. What the crowd does there and who they are (as long as they are not dangerous) , it doesn't affect me really. Sosua Suites was just fine, very convenient location and right across from Rocky's. Bedrooms had a great AC although the rest of the apartment was incredibly hot, need the fan running or the bedroom door left open to offer some level of cool air to the rest of the place.[/QUOTE]The latinos generics are 100mg too. Made in the dr. Exp date 2016. Already tried them and just as good as my real stuff from the states.

New garden is right in the middle of the action, but on a quiet backstreet from the strip. My 2 visits, dead quiet at night and in the am. Pool bar restaurant squeeky clean. Room is adequate. Good ac, decent shower, wifi, lg bed, safe, tv with tons of channels. 3 porn, english and other languages. Good free breakfast. Never tried any other, so no comarison from me.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/traceanthony[/url]

Hope you like the vids.

I spent 4 nights in Sosua. A Friday to a Tuesday.

Hotel: Tropico Azul. It used to be called the Sosua Bay Hotel. Its the hotel right on the water. I think it probably the best hotel in Sosua. It was 50USD. The hotel has a large pool, free wifi and a bar. The hotel used to allow girls 24 hours a day for free, but now they charge $10 dollars per girl between the house of 6am to 10pm. It looks like they are trying to cleanup the hotel. There now appear to be more families staying at the hotel. Maybe that was always the case and I just did not realize. Although I like this hotel, I can't give it a complete go because of the girl fee, and the hotel requires you to wear a wrist band. With that said it is still probably the nicest accommodations in Sosua that I have stayed at.

Girls: Most girls asked for 2000 DR peso, which in the grand scheme of things is not outrageous. Most would go back to the room for 1500. A couple actually said they would come back to the room for 1000. Most of the girls who said 1000 where at the far end of the strip. I was only at the end of the strip because I was with a friend who needed to go back and forth between Sosua and POP. I would not recommend a car. It is a waste of money for the most part.

Sosua : Its not like it used to be. There weren't many girls most night. Friday and Saturday where the most crowded but even on those night there weren't that many girls on the street. Actually it looks like most of the clubs and restaurants in Sosua where closed. There was only one block had any life. A few years ago the Sosua was crowded. A couple of other guys who have been coming for years were saying the same thing. The actually blamed the internet for being part of the problem saying that guys are saying nobody is here and the other part of the problem was some girls are scared to come. I don't want the reason but there were not nearly as many girls as there used to be. It seems like Sosua and the DR are cleaning up. Its good and bad. On the non weekend days, things were even slower. You should visit on a weekend and go do something else on the weekdays.

If you are going to be there during weekdays you might want to get some numbers to have girls to call. Hanging with them during the day starts to add up when you considered food and alcohol if you are hanging on the beach. There are a few girls on the beach during the day, not many. It seems like the beach had a lot of European tourist and a good number of tourist. I saw a lot of groups going on scuba diving trips.

With all that said Sosua and the DR are still fun, but not as fun as it used to be. It looks like the DR trying to develop more for tourism. Enjoy it while you can. I miss the good old days. How do we bring them back? I guess you just have to enjoy it while you can.

[QUOTE=Neworlean; 1457899]

Hotel: Tropico Azul. It used to be called the Sosua Bay Hotel. Its the hotel right on the water. I think it probably the best hotel in Sosua. It was 50USD. The hotel has a large pool, free wifi and a bar. The hotel used to allow girls 24 hours a day for free, but now they charge $10 dollars per girl between the house of 6am to 10pm.

Sosua : Its not like it used to be. There weren't many girls most night. Friday and Saturday where the most crowded but even on those night there weren't that many girls on the street. Actually it looks like most of the clubs and restaurants in Sosua where closed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I've stayed at Sosua Bay many times but not since the change so thanks for the information. If what you are saying is true, perhaps you will see more guys looking to grab a "good" chica for multiple days and doing more GFE.

[QUOTE=Neworlean; 1457899]Sosua : Its not like it used to be. There weren't many girls most night. Friday and Saturday where the most crowded but even on those night there weren't that many girls on the street. Actually it looks like most of the clubs and restaurants in Sosua where closed. There was only one block had any life. A few years ago the Sosua was crowded. A couple of other guys who have been coming for years were saying the same thing. The actually blamed the internet for being part of the problem saying that guys are saying nobody is here and the other part of the problem was some girls are scared to come. I don't want the reason but there were not nearly as many girls as there used to be. It seems like Sosua and the DR are cleaning up. Its good and bad. On the non weekend days, things were even slower. You should visit on a weekend and go do something else on the weekdays.

If you are going to be there during weekdays you might want to get some numbers to have girls to call. Hanging with them during the day starts to add up when you considered food and alcohol if you are hanging on the beach. There are a few girls on the beach during the day, not many. It seems like the beach had a lot of European tourist and a good number of tourist. I saw a lot of groups going on scuba diving trips.[/QUOTE]May through August is also considered low season for the DR, so that may have had something to do with it as well.

Also keep in mind that the US economy is very much still in the crapper, airfare is still increasing, so there will be less mongers going to Sosua in general.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457893][url]http://www.youtube.com/user/traceanthony[/url]

Hope you like the vids.[/QUOTE]Your videos beat any sex or porn videos hands down. I especially liked your Airport confessions. Putting a face and voice behind your stories make it a real and touching experience. I have not developed as deep relationship with a girl as you have, but I have definitely missed couple of girls I really liked, and I got a family at home. I am already planning my next trip for next summer. Best wishes to you in Egypt!

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457893][url]http://www.youtube.com/user/traceanthony[/url]

Hope you like the vids.[/QUOTE]You reminded me of a time I cried having to say to say goodbye to a chica on my way to the airport. She was also around the same age as Suzy. It was years ago and I've only been that attached to local girls ever since. I would like to retire there though.

A couple of months ago I was checking direct flights for August. From NY to POP it was a whopping $850. Can't imagine what other guys would pay elsewhere in the country, and may not get a direct flight. The girls know when there are less mongers. But even with an abundance of mongers more and more average chicas (5. 6 & 7, s) arent getting enough or any business. They find themselves sitting around for hours at a time or deciding to walk around hoping they will find a client. A lot of mongers only look for action at night, and thats when the competition with chicas is fierce. Average chicas have to compete with the 8, s & up for business.

Another factor that may apply. I think a lot of mongers see too many of the same girls, or girls they have already been with. The same ones their boys have been with. Even if a dude had a decent session with a chica, the feeling enough guys may have is "been there, done that". Intel on chicas is always shared among friends and other mongers. Poor performance and or experiencing problems have finally caught up to certain chicas. They are available but guys that have intel on them are avoiding them like the plague. Like Deep's chica Ana. What some chicas need now is somebody new who don't know any better.

This past July, there were at least a dozen chicas missing I am accustomed to seeing around in Sosua. And thats just the ones I know of. I think many of them are staying home. One of them I got with in Santiago because she lives there. Got her to meet me in a hotel in Sti. My whole trip she never went to Sosua to hustle. I should have asked her how come she wasnt going to Sosua? I think I know her answer. She's been successful in meeting several guys who let her know when they are coming, and then she'll go to Sosua or wherever to be with them. Somebody in the bunch might be a western union novio as well, so she may have some steady income. Must be, chicas don't normally tear up dinero just because they get mad.

I'm sure dating websites, FB and other social media have taken up the slack as well. Now more and more girls are securing clientel via the internet. More guys are staying in contact by phone with chicas, that is another factor. So mongers and chicas are working out their plans / appointments to connect later. I most certainly believe when certain holidays come, Super Bowl week comes and any other event that causes an abundance of mongers to show up, the chicas will meet that demand.

Guys that make connections with their dr phones, those that make contacts via internet, those that are comfortable going outside of Sosua to meet chicas. They arent as concerned as other mongers. About there not being enough chicas in Sosua. But I will say this. One week to the next, the whole scene could change in a flash. Because a shitload of chicas may show up. With more than enough new faces to satisfy every monger in town. This phenomenon applies to NG as well. You read reports of how some guy experienced a rowdy, noisy bunch of mongers, and then another comes on his vacation, and sees or hears none of that.

Can't judge Sosuas whole chica representation because of how a particular week or month turned out.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457893][url]http://www.youtube.com/user/traceanthony[/url]

Hope you like the vids.[/QUOTE]Very cool Trace. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1458040]A couple of months ago I was checking direct flights for August. From NY to POP it was a whopping $850. Can't imagine what other guys would pay elsewhere in the country, and may not get a direct flight. The girls know when there are less mongers. But even with an abundance of mongers more and more average chicas (5. 6 & 7, s) arent getting enough or any business. They find themselves sitting around for hours at a time or deciding to walk around hoping they will find a client. A lot of mongers only look for action at night, and thats when the competition with chicas is fierce. Average chicas have to compete with the 8, s & up for business.[/QUOTE]You are probably right. It is low season for sure, but this weekend there were not all that many girls or mongers, never mind if you compare to the glory days of D'Classico disco and Merengue bar. Now it is all confined to one block plus CMP, which is five minutes walk away. I walked around the outside of the bars for a while, because if you go inside and sit down, you are kind of confined and become a target. I found a lovely and charming Haitian girl of 20, who was all that you could dream for and had skin like velvet, but I thought there seemed to be less Haitianas around than there used to be. For example I could name a few girls who were on the block every night a year or two ago, who were missing in action.

It is very much a buyer's market, but that is a two edged thing also. If a girl comes from, say, Santiago, and she is offered 1000 pesos, she may take it as it is better than nothing and will give her a little cash flow, but if that is all she gets, will she return next week? The bus fare is not expensive, but add in food, drink, preparation at the salon, baby sitting costs, and possible overnight accommodation, and her trip may not be sufficiently profitable to be cost effective.

Since American Airlines went into bankruptcy, the cost of flights direct to Puerto Plata has been higher, and while there are some cheap flights with Spirit Airlines from Fort Lauderdale, they arrive at very inconvenient times and places. Also the economy in Florida remains dire, especially for anyone in the construction or real estate business, or any kind of business associated with new arrivals in the state, so that can't help.

Actually, as a point of interest, the Dominican Republic may be in competition with Florida as a place of residence for retirees, as single men with Social Security income may easily have more income than some upper level professionals in the DR. For example a man with a retirement income of $2000 or more per month who spends all of that 12 months of the year on rent, utilities, groceries, bars and restaurants, and the occasional chica, plus supporting a live-in Dominicana or Haitiana with a child, might be regarded as more economically desirable than the weekend warrior.

One final point. Some writers comment that no one comes to Sosua except to monger, but I see plenty of expatriate couples where the woman is clearly postmenopausal happily smoking and playing bingo at the Britannia pub or dining in restaurants, and while this population of retired couples may be small, it certainly exists and it must be renting or owning local real estate and spending money locally in spite of prostitution.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1458040]A couple of months ago I was checking direct flights for August. From NY to POP it was a whopping $850.[/QUOTE]Seems extremely expensive. British Airways is offering a mid-week return flight from NY to London August 21st to 28th for about $300 less!

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1457941]Your videos beat any sex or porn videos hands down. I especially liked your Airport confessions. Putting a face and voice behind your stories make it a real and touching experience. I have not developed as deep relationship with a girl as you have, but I have definitely missed couple of girls I really liked, and I got a family at home. I am already planning my next trip for next summer. Best wishes to you in Egypt![/QUOTE]He might want to remove the videos that show his face. Fact of the matter is that although he had a tremendously moving experience, it was still what the world calls prostitution, and once the buzz wears off, he might want to think twice.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1458068]He might want to remove the videos that show his face. Fact of the matter is that although he had a tremendously moving experience, it was still what the world calls prostitution, and once the buzz wears off, he might want to think twice.[/QUOTE]You may be correct Frannie, especially since Trace is likely a professional-going to work to Egypt and all. People have been fired for less.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1458040]A couple of months ago I was checking direct flights for August. From NY to POP it was a whopping $850. Can't imagine what other guys would pay elsewhere in the country, and may not get a direct flight.[/QUOTE]Many times it is cheaper when you are on a connecting flight than a direct flight. The market may be higher for a NYC-Puerto Plata than a say Pittsburgh-NYC-Puerto Plata or Pittsburgh-MIA-Puerto Plata.[QUOTE=Frannie;1458054]Some writers comment that no one comes to Sosua except to monger, but I see plenty of expatriate couples where the woman is clearly postmenopausal happily smoking and playing bingo at the Britannia pub or dining in restaurants, and while this population of retired couples may be small, it certainly exists and it must be renting or owning local real estate and spending money locally in spite of prostitution.[/QUOTE]On a flight in the US, I met a lady who fits that description. She said her husband works for some company and they are expats in Sosua. She said they have a big house with a pool and hired help. She showed me pictures and said she absolutely loves the town and wouldn't trade living there for anything. She said she likes to go party on Pedro Clisante as well.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1458054]Now it is all confined to one block plus CMP, which is five minutes walk away.[/QUOTE]During my last night here this past Tuesday, I was sitting across D'Latins eating my favourite schnitzel sandwich and sipping on my Cuba Libre and I thought to myself, how vulnerable Sosua seems with so limited and confined action. It would not take much for Sosua to completely shut down. One asshole with political ambitions and that would be the end. Its not like some SEA destinations where you have been establishment and blocks of entertainment.

POP Airport (Puerto Plata) is a more expensive airport to fly into than STI (Santiago) and SDQ (Santo Domingo). I flew into STI for my first visit to Sosua, I have mixed opinions on taking this route.

Wrx gave me some good advice on staying in Santiago the night because my flight got in at 1 AM (ended up being (2 AM due to a delay in JFK). I took a taxi when I landed to Sosua which took maybe 2 hours and 15 mins because the driver was just terrible and incredibly tired. POP is much more convenient, but it costs more to fly into. By about $200+ more. Mongers just need to decide, will the $200 saved be worth it? If one is there for 2-3 days, I don't think so. If is there for 4-5 days, then it's better to fly into STI as you have more time.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1458061]Seems extremely expensive. British Airways is offering a mid-week return flight from NY to London August 21st to 28th for about $300 less![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1458100]One asshole with political ambitions and that would be the end. Its not like some SEA destinations where you have been establishment and blocks of entertainment.[/QUOTE]Willy, the Deputy Mayor was pretty ambitious building D'Latin Drink!

Hey Trace I respect you for making those video reports buddy. Despite what's said in the comments you had a great vacation with a great girl and you treated each other well. I think planning a move to DR is a bit overboard but who knows? These Dominican chicas know how to cater to our desires unlike entitled western women who are basically taught to withhold sex and force us into marriage.

Just don't go being her Western Union papi LOL

Since American Airlines went into bankruptcy, the cost of flights direct to Puerto Plata has been higher, and while there are some cheap flights with Spirit Airlines from Fort Lauderdale, they arrive at very inconvenient times and places. Also the economy in Florida remains dire, especially for anyone in the construction or real estate business, or any kind of business associated with new arrivals in the state, so that can't help.

Frannie, it appears the tax for flying into Puerto Plata has increased more than the flight charge. Someone must pay for all the nice upgrades at the airport.

Radpoker

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1458155]POP Airport (Puerto Plata) is a more expensive airport to fly into than STI (Santiago) and SDQ (Santo Domingo). I flew into STI for my first visit to Sosua, I have mixed opinions on taking this route.

Wrx gave me some good advice on staying in Santiago the night because my flight got in at 1 AM (ended up being (2 AM due to a delay in JFK). I took a taxi when I landed to Sosua which took maybe 2 hours and 15 mins because the driver was just terrible and incredibly tired. POP is much more convenient, but it costs more to fly into. By about $200+ more. Mongers just need to decide, will the $200 saved be worth it? If one is there for 2-3 days, I don't think so. If is there for 4-5 days, then it's better to fly into STI as you have more time.[/QUOTE]If it is costing you almost $100 to take a taxi to Sosua from Santiago (I've seen quotes between $80-$90 in the Santiago forum), then another $100 to take a taxi from Sosua back to Santiago, where is the savings? You could just take that $200 you are going to spend on a taxi and put it towards a ticket to fly into POP.

Flying into SDQ is the cheapest option of them all, but me myself personally am not willing to commit to a 4 hour bus ride to and from Sosua unless I would be there for more than a week.

Iam not paying cabs that kind of money. I fly into SD. I spend day there and enjoy the evening. I have male and female friends there to hang out with. I hit the bus station at 10 am and arrive in Sosua by 3. The ride is pleasant and I get in to Sosua with plenty of time to prepare for the evening. The key is enjoy the journey. Sometimes you can meet chicas on the bus and you can get a little rest from your flight. Most days not much goes on between 10 and 2 so the trip on the bus is a positive.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1458205]If it is costing you almost $100 to take a taxi to Sosua from Santiago (I've seen quotes between $80-$90 in the Santiago forum) , then another $100 to take a taxi from Sosua back to Santiago, where is the savings? You could just take that $200 you are going to spend on a taxi and put it towards a ticket to fly into POP.

Flying into SDQ is the cheapest option of them all, but me myself personally am not willing to commit to a 4 hour bus ride to and from Sosua unless I would be there for more than a week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1458226]Iam not paying cabs that kind of money. I fly into SD. I spend day there and enjoy the evening. I have male and female friends there to hang out with. I hit the bus station at 10 am and arrive in Sosua by 3. The ride is pleasant and I get in to Sosua with plenty of time to prepare for the evening. The key is enjoy the journey. Sometimes you can meet chicas on the bus and you can get a little rest from your flight. Most days not much goes on between 10 and 2 so the trip on the bus is a positive.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good plan. I'm landing SDQ next week staying there for 2-3 days and off to Sosua. Where do you catch the bus from in Santo Domingo?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1458096]Many times it is cheaper when you are on a connecting flight than a direct flight. The market may be higher for a NYC-Puerto Plata than a say Pittsburgh-NYC-Puerto Plata or Pittsburgh-MIA-Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've noticed those connecting flights are cheaper. The only way they would work for me is if the layover was very short. Or I intended to leave the airport to visit somebody. I almost booked one of those connecting flights one day. I was focused mostly on the cheaper price, only to look closer at the layover times, and realized I would have to wait several hours between flights. Good thing I caught that.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1458155]POP Airport (Puerto Plata) is a more expensive airport to fly into than STI (Santiago) and SDQ (Santo Domingo). I flew into STI for my first visit to Sosua, I have mixed opinions on taking this route.

Wrx gave me some good advice on staying in Santiago the night because my flight got in at 1 AM (ended up being (2 AM due to a delay in JFK). I took a taxi when I landed to Sosua which took maybe 2 hours and 15 mins because the driver was just terrible and incredibly tired. POP is much more convenient, but it costs more to fly into. By about $200+ more. Mongers just need to decide, will the $200 saved be worth it? If one is there for 2-3 days, I don't think so. If is there for 4-5 days, then it's better to fly into STI as you have more time.[/QUOTE]It would have been cool if you had much longer than a week to be there. Then you could have tried that stay over option in Santiago for 1300 pesos, and then take the Metro bus in the morning for about 200 pesos. Much safer and a little cheaper than having a over tired driver taking you to Sosua that late at night. Plus, you might have met a cutie on the bus.

I'm going to be doing just that this week, because I booked a trip for August, and once again will be flying into STI ($699. 50 ). This time it will be early evening, but now that I know a little about Santiago. Will probably go to the Ahi Bar or Kukara Macara restaurant before turning in. I have unmet contacts I could pursue that live in Santiago, but might forgo that since this time I intend on making it to Sosua in the morning.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1458068]He might want to remove the videos that show his face. Fact of the matter is that although he had a tremendously moving experience, it was still what the world calls prostitution, and once the buzz wears off, he might want to think twice.[/QUOTE]I disagree with you Frannie. I didn't see a hint of prostitution in those videos. I saw a boy friend and his girl friend who have strong feelings for each other. Even in the puritanical hypocritical USA, I can't imagine any kind of repercussions.

[QUOTE=David_33;1458268]I disagree with you Frannie. I didn't see a hint of prostitution in those videos. I saw a boy friend and his girl friend who have strong feelings for each other. Even in the puritanical hypocritical USA, I can't imagine any kind of repercussions.[/QUOTE]Read the comments under the videos and note that he said he is going to work in Egypt.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1458288]Read the comments under the videos and note that he said he is going to work in Egypt.[/QUOTE]Yeah I did, and understand what all that implies. Anyway he seems like a nice guy and is very honest and even sensitive, a trait which is scarce here on ISG. All things considered, he sure ended up with a super babe! She seems a lot different than the typical Sosua fauna. Anyway, I arrive tomorrow and will hope to find someone half as cute.

Excellent point sir. I have noticed that SD tends to be the cheapest to fly into, I wish I would have taken that option since it would have been nice to explore the capital even for just a few hours. But I think my lack of Spanish skills wouldn't have helped very much, but I think in time one learns and these days with translating tools on the iPhone it is not that difficult to get around with basic sentences. I usually don't start my action until the afternoon after 3 PM anyways, so a nice quiet bus ride in the AM might just be the way to go next time.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1458226]Iam not paying cabs that kind of money. I fly into SD. I spend day there and enjoy the evening. I have male and female friends there to hang out with. I hit the bus station at 10 am and arrive in Sosua by 3. The ride is pleasant and I get in to Sosua with plenty of time to prepare for the evening. The key is enjoy the journey. Sometimes you can meet chicas on the bus and you can get a little rest from your flight. Most days not much goes on between 10 and 2 so the trip on the bus is a positive.[/QUOTE]

How do you find Santiago vs. Sosua? I'm unfamiliar with Santiago and just barely scratching the surface with Sosua. I can imagine Santiago having more chicas since it's the second largest city but it must be more a little more difficult to reel them in as opposed to Sosua, unless I'm completely wrong there.

On the way back to STI from Sosua, I had Rick help out with the transportation and had a drive that took the Mountainous route at night. However, this guy was great and the ride was nice in the end. Got me there in just about an hour and 40 mins.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1458258]It would have been cool if you had much longer than a week to be there. Then you could have tried that stay over option in Santiago for 1300 pesos, and then take the Metro bus in the morning for about 200 pesos. Much safer and a little cheaper than having a over tired driver taking you to Sosua that late at night. Plus, you might have met a cutie on the bus.

I'm going to be doing just that this week, because I booked a trip for August, and once again will be flying into STI ($699. 50 ). This time it will be early evening, but now that I know a little about Santiago. Will probably go to the Ahi Bar or Kukara Macara restaurant before turning in. I have unmet contacts I could pursue that live in Santiago, but might forgo that since this time I intend on making it to Sosua in the morning.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457893][url]http://www.youtube.com/user/traceanthony[/url]

Hope you like the vids.[/QUOTE]Trace that's pretty brave of you to put yourself in front of the camera like that, I would rethink making those videos available, you may want to consider blocking those videos with you in them and keeping your personal life personal.

I know the depression you are going through when you're sitting at the airport waiting to leave and you would give anything to stay, we all go through it. The secret is to always have another monger trip booked and ready so that you know in the back of your mind within a few short weeks you'll be back in paradise somewhere in the world. I was in Sosua about three weeks ago and was depressed as hell about leaving and would of given anything to stay longer but I knew within a couple weeks I was going to make a run to Boys Town in NL was depressed about leaving there yesterday but on Friday I'm leaving for Medellin, the secret is to always have another trip booked before you leave your last trip. Certain rules you have to live your life by, for me it's to never go more than four weeks between a monger trip.

Texas isn't hell, it just feels that way after being in paradise.

(PS: let me know if you want to make a run to NL there's plenty of the below to be had there)

Chris

Yeah there isn't any mention of any prostitution in the vids so I think I'll be okay. I did have to disable the comments though sense someone posted some shit that I don't think I want my family or Suzy reading. Also, it was the entire vacation and the DR in general that got to me, not just her. However, it does sadden me knowing that her mother is trying to pimp her out and turn her in to a puta chica. I know that it is poverty that forces those girls to do what they do. Oh well. Next time, I really want to visit more of that country, I can only imagine what the rest of that country is like once I perfect my Spanish. Do I want to live there? I certainly am tired of the USA I will tell you that. Where will I be when I retire. Don't know but it won't be in the USA if I can help it.

Thanks to all for the kind words though and safe travels to all.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1456513]Updates: BBL is on the scene and gave me a report this morning.

Four Roses is closed.

Domino bar is closed.

Winners circle is demolished.[/QUOTE]There are rumors that El Toro was just raided the other night as well?

I finally got the strength and energy to start writing up my week long first time experience at Sosua. This report is more for those who never visited this place before for the purpose of mongering. I will write this in two parts.

I just want to briefly note that even though the POP airport is new and bigger (I assume) it took forever for me to board my plane back home. Line ups were long and slow. Getting on the island was a little faster.

New Garden and solo travel.

I have booked my stay at New Garden for the reasons of location, solo travel, nice rooms, on site chicas, pool and included breakfast. The rooms are nice and clean with steady hot water, and the location is fantastic. But unfortunately due to late nights, I only partook in two of the seven breakfasts. Each night I was out until closing time at D'Latins and the girls often did not leave / get out of bed until after 11:00 am. At times during the day there were more girls outside of the hotel than inside. Real disappointment regarding resident chicas. The pool I did not use, and the setting did not work out for me regarding meeting other fellow mongers. I am kind of shy by nature and approaching strange men is not easy for me. Strange women is another story-LOL. Almost everyone was in groups, and I did not feel comfortable just barging in. I was hoping for a larger bar like setting. The bar that was there was small and usually it was occupied by the few girls available. I am sure my unease at initiating talk with people I do not know played a significant role in my lack of success with regards to this issue. So it was kind of initiation by fire. I have actually never travelled abroad without friends or family. But the moment you leave the New Garden, there are plenty of girls trying to chat you up. The owner Lorenzo does not exude warmth, but he does run a tight ship. One of the girls kind of barged in to see me, as she was late couple of hours for our date due to oversleeping, and when I returned with her from the bar early in the morning security would not let her in, on an order from Lorenzo. I thought this was shit, as he should have consulted me first. I met Rick from Rocky's briefly and he appears to be so much more of an affable and approachable person. Lorenzo really takes himself too seriously. I have to admit though that the nightly dinner specials were fantastic. The food was really good. I do not think I will return to NG next time, as it was poor value for me at $67 US per night (with discount and cash) during low season. I would consider one of Rocky's or other establishments in the future. More of an apartment / condo setting. Solo travel turned out to be an enlightening and interesting experience. I would do it the same way next time.

Sosua, the hustle and the food.

Some of the older posts described the place as a shithole. I do not think so. I found it charming and the beach was really nice with fine sand and blue / green water. Also, everything one wanted was available. The people were mostly nice and the hustle was relatively low key compared to some of the places I have visited. One 'NO thank you' was enough. Also, around the bar zone I felt safe and secure at night, and never used a money belt or zipped up pocket. Many restaurants can be found on the main strip and the beach with all kinds of good western food available. And the booze is cheap. I preferred rum based drinks as El Presidente is just your plain old pilsner. I was also surprised how few people smoked.

I will describe the bar scene and the chicas in my next post.

What makes Sosua special is everyday is better then any Saturday nite anywhere in the US. When you spend your money you do not want a possible good time. You want to know that it is on. Sosua will not let you down 7 days a week.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1458226]Iam not paying cabs that kind of money. I fly into SD. I spend day there and enjoy the evening. I have male and female friends there to hang out with. I hit the bus station at 10 am and arrive in Sosua by 3. The ride is pleasant and I get in to Sosua with plenty of time to prepare for the evening. The key is enjoy the journey. Sometimes you can meet chicas on the bus and you can get a little rest from your flight. Most days not much goes on between 10 and 2 so the trip on the bus is a positive.[/QUOTE]I agree fly into SD, but I get a rental for about 35 dollars per day upgraded. Its about 2 and a half hour drive if you don't stop to sight see. My friend set a record 2 hours last month!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1458040]A couple of months ago I was checking direct flights for August. From NY to POP it was a whopping $850. Can't imagine what other guys would pay elsewhere in the country, and may not get a direct flight. The girls know when there are less mongers. But even with an abundance of mongers more and more average chicas (5. 6 & 7, s) arent getting enough or any business. They find themselves sitting around for hours at a time or deciding to walk around hoping they will find a client. A lot of mongers only look for action at night, and thats when the competition with chicas is fierce. Average chicas have to compete with the 8, s & up for business.

Another factor that may apply. I think a lot of mongers see too many of the same girls, or girls they have already been with. The same ones their boys have been with. Even if a dude had a decent session with a chica, the feeling enough guys may have is "been there, done that". Intel on chicas is always shared among friends and other mongers. Poor performance and or experiencing problems have finally caught up to certain chicas. They are available but guys that have intel on them are avoiding them like the plague...[/QUOTE]I brought my direct flight roundtrip NYC-JFK to POP last month and paid around $483.00 including taxes. I will be hanging out in DR between POP and Sosua for about a month. Happy Travels. Peace always. Senor Aqua Man.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1458298]How do you find Santiago vs. Sosua? I'm unfamiliar with Santiago and just barely scratching the surface with Sosua. I can imagine Santiago having more chicas since it's the second largest city but it must be more a little more difficult to reel them in as opposed to Sosua, unless I'm completely wrong there.

On the way back to STI from Sosua, I had Rick help out with the transportation and had a drive that took the Mountainous route at night. However, this guy was great and the ride was nice in the end. Got me there in just about an hour and 40 mins.[/QUOTE]So far, the little time I have actually spent in Santiago, Sosua ranks high for mongering. Everything in Sosua that you need is within walking distance or a short moto ride. Most girls out and about in Sosua are there for p4p.

Not so in Santiago. I still need more time learning where all the p4p spots are. The car washes, the clubs etc. However, the challenge Santiago presents is trying to hook up with non pros looking for foreign men to date. And thats where social media comes into play. If you connect with someone on lets say, dominican cupid, you may be able to hookup with a nice lady that doesn't have you on the clock. With social media, if a chica responds to your profile even though she knows you don't speak much spanish, thats an indication she doesn't have a problem with a language barrier.

I know some guys worry about that. I went to the Ahi Bar alone one night in Santiago, and not one chica stared me down or smiled like they do in Sosua. Most of the women were in groups, pairs or coupled up. There may have been some who noticed me, but they didn't make it obvious. Having said that, that doesn't mean I may not be able to meet regular chicas there on another night. I may be there this week and this time with an amigo wingman. Maybe two guys may spark interest and create an opportunity for some brave girls to open up?

The major difference as far as going out in sti vs Sosua? Many of the women in sti have the money to go to a restaurant / bar. Many pull up in their own cars. A lot of the women in Sosua or those that come to Sosua are poorer, and most don't own or drive cars. Their poorer circumstances may make them chicas more approachable and ready for action. Whereas the Santiago chicas you find in a bar or restaurant may be more of a challenge, especially if you don't speak spanish. They may not want to come off as being too easy, or be perceived as a puta.

Ironically, many of the chicas that you find in Sosua come from Santiago to hustle. The trick is, how do you find these p4p chicas in Santiago when you are in Santiago? So far the only thing that has worked for me in sti, is one 40 yr old dom cupid chica I'm not really interested in, and my blonde chica that I met in Sosua but she lives in sti. Many of the dom cupid chicas are stressing that they are looking for something serious. And if they sense you're not they may not bite. Plus one must strike quickly because these women are usually sending messages to several guys at one time. You wait a week to respond to an interested chica and you may not get a response because she's already on some other cat.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1458424]So far, the little time I have actually spent in Santiago, Sosua ranks high for mongering. Everything in Sosua that you need is within walking distance or a short moto ride. Most girls out and about in Sosua are there for p4p.

Not so in Santiago. I still need more time learning where all the p4p spots are. The car washes, the clubs etc. However, the challenge Santiago presents is trying to hook up with non pros looking for foreign men to date. And thats where social media comes into play. If you connect with someone on lets say, dominican cupid, you may be able to hookup with a nice lady that doesn't have you on the clock. With social media, if a chica responds to your profile even though she knows you don't speak much spanish, thats an indication she doesn't have a problem with a language barrier.

I know some guys worry about that. I went to the Ahi Bar alone one night in Santiago, and not one chica stared me down or smiled like they do in Sosua...[/QUOTE]It will be harder because in Places like Santiago and Santo Domingo, They have there friends and family and they don't want to be seen with a Gringo because everybody will think she's a Puta, So they come to Sosua to Hustle,

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1457893][url]http://www.youtube.com/user/traceanthony[/url]

Hope you like the vids.[/QUOTE]It's hard to be cynical when one sees the beautiful sunset, the beach, the sexy girl. So vivacious and childlike. I don't blame you for being a little emotional having to leave all that behind.

Good luck in north Africa, I know Egyptian chicks are pretty hot too.

[QUOTE=David_33;1458268]I disagree with you Frannie. I didn't see a hint of prostitution in those videos. I saw a boy friend and his girl friend who have strong feelings for each other. Even in the puritanical hypocritical USA, I can't imagine any kind of repercussions.[/QUOTE]Why take any chances? Agree with removing face.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1458505]It will be harder because in Places like Santiago and Santo Domingo, They have there friends and family and they don't want to be seen with a Gringo because everybody will think she's a Puta, So they come to Sosua to Hustle,[/QUOTE]So in the greater DR, by which I mean outside of tourist areas, are all women with gringos seen as putas? Theres got to be a couple of gringos who got lucky and got good girls. Doesn't there? LMAO!

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1458505]It will be harder because in Places like Santiago and Santo Domingo, They have there friends and family and they don't want to be seen with a Gringo because everybody will think she's a Puta, So they come to Sosua to Hustle,[/QUOTE]Not counting the girl in the vids and most of the pics who's mom was trying to pimp her out, I have met two different families that introduced me to their daughter / niece on this trip. One was a 23 year old medical student from Santiago, and the other girl was 19 and visiting from La Vega. Neither of these girls were putas and both wanted to hook up with me with the family's approval. I met both on Playa Sosua BTW. So I don't think all non-working girls are afraid to be seen with a gringo. In fact, I think a lot might even be proud to meet a good looking Westerner. A lot of them think we are wealthy just from being a Westerner.

Now, if there is an obvious age difference and the guy doesn't take very good care of yourself, then yes, just like in the states, any young and beautiful girl will know that others are thinking the obvious, that she is with the guy for money.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1458343]What makes Sosua special is everyday is better then any Saturday nite anywhere in the US. When you spend your money you do not want a possible good time. You want to know that it is on. Sosua will not let you down 7 days a week.[/QUOTE]OldKool, su correcto. I have been to Sosua about a dozen times in the last five years. I am relatively still young (50 yrs) and retired. I am not an "old vet" like some of you guys, but since I've been coming to Sosua, things have changed in that short period of time. When I came last year and Classicos was closed, I was heartbroken. Help and Cuatro Cuatro, IMO where the only places that could better Classicos on any given night. But I had to adjust to the new scene if I wanted to have a good time. As a matter of fact, I'm still praying for Club 69's return. It was nothing like sitting on the bar in the Merangue, watching the sexy Chica's arrive in bunches, jumping out of a shared taxi. Wow. And even if the smorgasbord of delightful treats were picked over, After One had some nice left overs to choose from. In the States, I used to often hang in NY, Miami, Vagas, LA and DC, but Sosua tops them all when it comes to partying and pretty women IMO. I'll be back in about a month for my third trip of the 2013, for a month for stress relief. Personally I don't understand how some guys state that they can't take more than a couple of days in Sosua. I'd like to know where they live, so I can pay a visit to see how they're living. Must be nice. So if you can't have a nice time in Sosua, you should seek a mental health professional. If I can find the time, and that usually isn't the normal; I will report on my next trip.

Peace

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1458383]I agree fly into SD, but I get a rental for about 35 dollars per day upgraded. Its about 2 and a half hour drive if you don't stop to sight see. My friend set a record 2 hours last month![/QUOTE]Was curious to know the route your friend took to get to Sosua. Anything that beats a four hour drive is great news.

White is right in the DR. Especially with the poor and rich in the DR. The light Dominicans generally have more money and better jobs. Poor Dominicans associate white with money. A Gringo will be welcomed in most homes in the DR like the coming of Christ. It is a DR dream to marry a gringo and live the good life. Non of this means they are not sincere. They just view you and other foreigners as golden gooses. I have many non pro amigas who look forward to my visits because they can share some of the good life. In truth you can have an awesome time with them. I try to keep it real because I do not want to hurt their feelings. Most times they will accept the relationship on your terms because it better then having nothing. I thought the videos were great. Nothing to worry about. Home movies of sweethearts is nothing to be concerned with.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1458603]Not counting the girl in the vids and most of the pics who's mom was trying to pimp her out, I have met two different families that introduced me to their daughter / niece on this trip. One was a 23 year old medical student from Santiago, and the other girl was 19 and visiting from La Vega. Neither of these girls were putas and both wanted to hook up with me with the family's approval. I met both on Playa Sosua BTW. So I don't think all non-working girls are afraid to be seen with a gringo. In fact, I think a lot might even be proud to meet a good looking Westerner. A lot of them think we are wealthy just from being a Westerner.

Now, if there is an obvious age difference and the guy doesn't take very good care of yourself, then yes, just like in the states, any young and beautiful girl will know that others are thinking the obvious, that she is with the guy for money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1458300]Trace that's pretty brave of you to put yourself in front of the camera like that, I would rethink making those videos available, you may want to consider blocking those videos with you in them and keeping your personal life personal.

I know the depression you are going through when you're sitting at the airport waiting to leave and you would give anything to stay, we all go through it. The secret is to always have another monger trip booked and ready so that you know in the back of your mind within a few short weeks you'll be back in paradise somewhere in the world. I was in Sosua about three weeks ago and was depressed as hell about leaving and would of given anything to stay longer but I knew within a couple weeks I was going to make a run to Boys Town in NL was depressed about leaving there yesterday but on Friday I'm leaving for Medellin, the secret is to always have another trip booked before you leave your last trip. Certain rules you have to live your life by, for me it's to never go more than four weeks between a monger trip.

Texas isn't hell, it just feels that way after being in paradise.

(PS: let me know if you want to make a run to NL there's plenty of the below to be had there)

Chris[/QUOTE]How long has it been since you have been to Boys Town?

I have had some really wild time's in NL but it has been some time ago. It always had that wild west feeling.

I hope you have a nice time and I will be checking that board now that you have refreshed my memory.

I did not realize that by coming to Sosua I would loose most of my common sense and turn into an unneutered old Tom cat. As I already noted less then two hours in Sosua and I was caught up in a threesome with couple of young girls, and spend the night with my first Haitian girl. Interestingly enough I also spent my last morning in Sosua with this same girl. All of the three Haitian girls I entertained were nice and lots of fun, and all three of them seem to have genuine bodies. By this I mean, that few of the Dominican girls I spent time with were not what they seemed. Once they stripped down, the boobs flopped, the stomachs fell out, the stretch marks become evident and their height dropped by several inches. But I have to admit all of the girls were nice to me and I did not feel like being ripped off. Six of the seven nights I spent with different girls and all of them were overnights from D'Latins. One night I got too wasted so I spend it alone. After being advised by the ISG members what the going rate for overnight was, there was never an issue with the money. Unknowingly, I overpaid for the first two nights, but the service was very good so I have no complaints.

Couple of noteworthy encounters. First one involved a crazy women called Naomi, that roams D'Latins and acts more like a pimp than a P4P chica. She is actually way past her prime and is more into schmoozing and smooching free drinks from gringos. After Lorenzo, the NG proprietor refused my girl's entry into the hotel, Naomi showed up at 5:00 am with another girl that she knew I liked. So I guess the night was not over yet. This girl was from Santiago, had her own car and came to work for the weekend. She said she has not been in Sosua for a year and is also looking for a boyfriend (I ignored that comment). According to Naomi this girl has several old boy friends. She was actually not too young. 32 or something, but had a decent body, really nice smile and spoke English very well. Condoms supplied by Naomi did not seem kosher to this girl as she was checking out the expiration date. Anyway to make a long story short, it seemed she wanted to do it bareback, telling me she had tests done few days back and has a clear bill of health. I will end the story here, but once she got up after 12:00 am, I got her something to eat, and she offered to drive me around and take me to Caberete beach. I did not follow up on that offer, but it was a pretty decent second day in Sosua.

The second odd experience was this little Dominican girl I liked maybe a little too much. Short, young, sweet, innocent with doe eyed look. According to her friend she was new. I invited her to come for dinner to NG the next evening. Just me, her and my MacBook Air (google translate) , as she did not speak a word of English. After dinner, I suggested we stay in for a little intimate evening, as the lack of sleep and food, and too much alcohol and pussy has taken its toll on me. This has been going on for six straight days. Its not easy being a middle aged monger. So she strips down to her underwear and turns her back to me. WTF I am thinking, so I ask her are we going to have sex or what, and if not why not. She did not answer the question, and I noticed tears coming from her eyes. I am still not sure what happened. Because I liked her I did not get angry at her. I gave her few pesos and send her packing. After I decided that I did not want to spend the night alone I went back to D'Latin, and met up with one of the Haitian girls, I have not sampled yet. So what do you know, my little sweetheart shows up and stands right behind me. Feeling frustrated I turned my back to her, and spend the rest of the night and overnight with my Haitian friend. She provided an amazingly raunchy, GFE performance.

One thing I have noticed that many of the chicas do not provide a condom. This is very unusual for me. Couple of times I had to settle for DATY and BBJ only. But that is ok, as I got to conserve my energy and rank up my numbers. Another odd thing is the hair net-whats next, cucumber slices on the eye-lids?

All in all a fantastic experience, especially for a first timer. I liked all the girls, and I just wish I could have met more of them.

I am almost embarrassed to admit, that I did not venture outside of D'Latins. I saw CMP from the outside, considered it for my last night here, but the costs kind of dissuaded me. Next time! I really enjoyed D'Latins, as it was perfect for a sole monger. Crowded with tons of girls and I could just blend in and disappear. Several times as I stood there with a drink in my hand, while watching other guys having a good time and a young a girl in front of me grinding her lovely ass against my crotch, I thought to myself there is no other place on earth I would rather be. Sosua I must return!

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1458747]Several times as I stood there with a drink in my hand, while watching other guys having a good time and a young a girl in front of me grinding her lovely ass against my crotch, I thought to myself there is no other place on earth I would rather be. Sosua I must return![/QUOTE]Thanks for reporting back to the forum.

Trip reports; what a great concept!

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1458714]How long has it been since you have been to Boys Town?

I have had some really wild time's in NL but it has been some time ago. It always had that wild west feeling.

I hope you have a nice time and I will be checking that board now that you have refreshed my memory.[/QUOTE]Was there last weekend, still has the same wild west feeling, will be going back again next month. PM me if you want to go.

Chris

I had Diarrhea for 5 days and ended up losing 7 lbs.

Make sure you don't drink or brush your teeth with the tap water.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1458309]There are rumors that El Toro was just raided the other night as well?[/QUOTE]Looks like Sosua News answered my question:

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3427&article=1[/url]

El Toro closed by police.

Sunday night the national police raided the bar / nightclub El Toro. By regular Sosúa visitors El Toro is better known as D' Latino bar / nightclub. The girls present were checked for their identity documents. There were four minor girls present at the bar. So four girls younger than 18 years. That was the reason to immediately and indefinitely close the bar. Unfortunately for El Toro, they did rather good lately with a lot of people visiting the bar. Especially on the weekends the bar was attended by locals. Also in the capital last weekend over 30 entertainment venues have been closed. Also there the police encountered minors among the people present.

I loved your videos. And big respect for posting.

I was thinking some of your report was BS, as I have partied many time in Sosua, but have never been as lucky as you to find a girl like that.

As for those feelings at the airport. Man. We all get them!

Those feelings start for me as I leave the beach for the last time. The last rum and coke, the last sleep on the island and the last journey back to the airport. And the pain of going back to "hell" in the UK.

Man. I need a vacation!

[QUOTE=Senorsauceboy;1458394]I brought my direct flight roundtrip NYC-JFK to POP last month and paid around $483.00 including taxes. I will be hanging out in DR between POP and Sosua for about a month. Happy Travels. Peace always. Senor Aqua Man.[/QUOTE]I had a feeling I was going to hear a report like yours. When I booked, I was already in Sosua on my laptop back in the end of May. Next time I will wait, and also keep watching the fares so I can book at the lowest price. And fly into POP.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1458866]Looks like Sosua News answered my question:

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3427&article=1[/url]

El Toro closed by police.

Sunday night the national police raided the bar / nightclub El Toro. By regular Sosúa visitors El Toro is better known as D' Latino bar / nightclub. The girls present were checked for their identity documents. There were four minor girls present at the bar. So four girls younger than 18 years. That was the reason to immediately and indefinitely close the bar. Unfortunately for El Toro, they did rather good lately with a lot of people visiting the bar. Especially on the weekends the bar was attended by locals. Also in the capital last weekend over 30 entertainment venues have been closed. Also there the police encountered minors among the people present.[/QUOTE]Is it just me, or does it seem that Willy (of D'Latin) wants to be the only gig in town? His competition is falling left and right (for some strange reason). I'm guessing Rumba Bar will be next on the chopping block.

[quote=wrx2005;1458921]i had a feeling i was going to hear a report like yours. when i booked, i was already in sosua on my laptop back in the end of may. next time i will wait, and also keep watching the fares so i can book at the lowest price. and fly into pop.[/quote]i was eyeing the jfk to pop flights (jetblue) from maybe early april / may. when it gets toward the end of the week airfares goes up. after monday / tuesday, the airlines compete and prices goes down. airlines know the holiday and peek time for travelers. the last week in augusto, which i have done in the past (6yrs ago-to dr) , can be a strangle hold on your wallet. i usually go 2 weeks before the end of augusto (labor day) , to avoid the peak travel time. then on my return trip back to nyc come back about 2 weeks after labor day to again avoid peak travel time. the funny thing about when i booked my airfare, was that i was on the internet about maybe 2 or 3 am and i saw the flight go down to $483. 00 and that's including taxes with a $50. 00 upgrade for exit row ($25 each way) and i literally jumped for my credit card. the funny thing about that next day, i saw that same airfare without upgrade or taxes jumped to over $650. 00 (base price). i'm looking forward to my stay in dr. 1 month of fun in the sun. what is a guy supposed to do puerto plata & sosua. i don't know. maybe i will just bring a book to read and mind my own business, i don't know. i'll see. peace, love & happiness, senor aqua man

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1458948]Is it just me, or does it seem that Willy (of D'Latin) wants to be the only gig in town? His competition is falling left and right (for some strange reason). I'm guessing Rumba Bar will be next on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]Rumba really does not compete with D'Latin, it really thins out by 9 when the crowd starts to shift over to Willy's.

Bobby owns the land, so even if business slowed down a bit, he still makes money, as he pays no rent.

Is Dlatins and El toro the same place as the article states. Maybe Classicos can be resurrected.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1458948]Is it just me, or does it seem that Willy (of D'Latin) wants to be the only gig in town? His competition is falling left and right (for some strange reason). I'm guessing Rumba Bar will be next on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1459012]Is Dlatins and El toro the same place as the article states. Maybe Classicos can be resurrected.[/QUOTE]D'Latin's has been at several different locations historically. At one time, as I remember, it was upstairs closer to the beach than where it is now, but on the same side to where. It was also in the building now used by El Toro, which is what they are referring to.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1459012]Is Dlatins and El toro the same place as the article states. Maybe Classicos can be resurrected.[/QUOTE]The article is talking about the old "Latinos" (it has changed names about 2 or three times in the last three years). This is the place on the same side of Classicos and Merengue Bar next to the German bar where all of the Haitians hang out at. Not D'Latins which is across the street on the same side as Rumbas.

Incidentally, Willy used to own Latinos too. He sold it to some Canadians during the 2011 crackdowns, then threw up a new spot (D'Latins) right across the street from his new competitors, lol!

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal; 1458314]I finally got the strength and energy to start writing up my week long first time experience at Sosua. This report is more for those who never visited this place before for the purpose of mongering. I will write this in two parts. The booze is cheap. I preferred rum based drinks as El Presidente is just your plain old pilsner. I was also surprised how few people smoked.

All the people I met for the 1st time told me that they did not smoke but after meeting some of them the 2nd time they did.

What do you mean by smoke. Cigars or weed. This is a sensitive subject because weed is illegal here and very illegal in the DR for some reason. Sosua is the best place I have ever been to have a buzz. It is easy and safe to walk around in. The music makes for a great atmosphere and yes the women. My dancing when buzzed is very good. Never the less if you ever have problem which I think is very remote it would be a night mare. I was surprised that so few DR girls smoked but all the Haitianas did.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1459051]

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal; 1458314]I finally got the strength and energy to start writing up my week long first time experience at Sosua. This report is more for those who never visited this place before for the purpose of mongering. I will write this in two parts. The booze is cheap. I preferred rum based drinks as El Presidente is just your plain old pilsner. I was also surprised how few people smoked.

All the people I met for the 1st time told me that they did not smoke but after meeting some of them the 2nd time they did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1459063]What do you mean by smoke. Cigars or weed.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1459051][/QUOTE]After spending my last three summers in China, I was talking about the bad smoke, namely cigarettes. I saw couple of tourists smoking cigars, but that was all, and I did not even get a wiff of the good stuff. On another topic, I would like to mention that what I found interesting was that none of the thicker / phat girls approached me even once. I guess they know who their customers are. Also, as previous posters noted a little Spanish will go a long way in here. Lastly, none of the girls seemed to be willing to pose in compromising positions for me. One girl I took a photo with only wearing a towel and she requested that I delete it. No problem! Regular photos are just as nice.

[quote=orgasmico; 1458866]looks like sosua news answered my question:

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3427&article=1[/url]

el toro closed by police.

sunday night the national police raided the bar / nightclub el toro. by regular sosúa visitors el toro is better known as d' latino bar / nightclub. the girls present were checked for their identity documents. there were four minor girls present at the bar. so four girls younger than 18 years. that was the reason to immediately and indefinitely close the bar. unfortunately for el toro, they did rather good lately with a lot of people visiting the bar. especially on the weekends the bar was attended by locals. also in the capital last weekend over 30 entertainment venues have been closed. also there the police encountered minors among the people present.[/quote]if the authorities wanted to end p4p in sosua they would not try to ban it all at once, tried that before and it didn't work. they would simply chip away at it little by little and let it die by a thousand cuts. first get rid of the mainly haitian operated mps under the excuse of not having a massage license, then get rid of the number one (foreign owned) casa in sosua, the reason of which still is not perfectly clear, then shut down one of the smaller less popular bars right on the strip itself, for apparently having **** customers. then let it slowly bleed away, mongers hear of the crackdown and closures and slowly start to dwindle away. the girls hear of these raids and closures and slowly start to avoid sosua. mongers report that there are less girls and less action and even more mongers start to dwindle away. the girls hear that there are fewer and fewer mongers and less opportunity to make money and even less girls start to show up, and then you have a negative downward cycle until the whole thing just dries up and blows away.

what is the next shoe to fall?

i predict cleaning up the beach of freelancers will be the next phase, what excuse they will use? i'm sure they will find something.

what will become of establishments like rocky's, new garden and the others? they will adapt or die. right now the money for them is in mongers and they are on our side, but if we start to dwindle away and regular family tourists start to fill the void they will adapt or go out of business. they will cater to the family tourist and no longer will they want mongers traipsing through their establishment with a chica in hand in front of their family tourist. you can't blame them they will have to adapt to the new market or go under.

chris

What the latest info on Passions guys?

So I've been back about a week now and found some interesting things out about the girl in my pics and youtube video. We've been talking on FB here and there and she has even been calling me almost every day since I left telling me how she is in love and doesn't want any other men. Well, she may feel that now being so young, but I know what she does to pay the phone bill and buy food. I'm sure there have already been other dudes digging all in her guts since I left.

Anyway, yesterday a chica from Santo Domingo contacted me on FB. She is FB friends and an ex coworker with Suzy [her fake name and the giri in the vids. ] Suzy used to work at a perfume shop with this girl in Santo Domingo when she got fired once her boss found out she was a prostitute and her mother is a thief / scam artist. This happened last December. Well a side note on the time frame. Suzy turned eighteen last December so she was already hooking before she was even of legal age. Sad. From what this girl was telling me, she said to be careful with these two because they are known to set men up and blackmail them. The mother even pulled a knife in the girl's face when she had to fire Suzy. Since then, somewhere along the line, they moved to Sosua. Haven't been there long enough to establish a bad reputation but maybe the mother was just waiting till her daughter turned 18 to move her to the puta capital of the DR.

From what I have learned by observing the mother with my own eyes none of what this girl told me was shocking. I already had the spidey-sense thing going on with her mother and played my cards right to not get caught up in a scam. Sadly, I do believe that that poor girl has been, and is being groomed into being one hard-core puta because her mom is too used up to sell her own ass anymore. That mother has a tight leash on Suzy. The poor girl got caught up with me and broke all the rules when I was there. I do feel that even putas are capable of feelings and getting lost in them every once in a while.

Well, I'm saying this to you guys because if you run into this girl, you may have a great time at a decent price. But you may also be a target by the mother somehow if you allow yourself to be and do some stupid shit like take sex video or something. Most likely, she is just hooking it like most the other girls and paying for her mothers food and board. However, I have a feeling that if someone isn't smart or even worse, try and disrespect or make an enemy of the girl...they might be ballsy enough to try and extort that monger and they also have a tight family/friend network there that probably wouldn't think twice about helping those two out in order to scam an asshole tourist. So, have your wits about you and play nice and you should be fine.

If one of you guys wants to try and hit it, she lives and can be found quite often at the BBQ stand right next to Hotel Coco and Mary Rose. Really good fucking chicken too! Just be sure to tell the board or send me a PM so I can have verification of what I already suspect. Wouldn't mind tapping it again too but I know the game and her FB friend is really hot and also a normal girl from what I think, might be a good reason to go to Santo Domingo next time LOL. Got plenty of time to plan my next trip anyways. Hope this info was useful.

Ciao

Hi Man,

In a different post you said that you paid this girl only the first time and then you didn't have to pay,

The girl didn't ask you for money, now you are saying that an unknown girl contacted you telling all the shit about this girl,

Well I think you should stay close to facts and less to gossips, the girl treated you well, maybe the unknown girl is right

But by the way you spent a really good time, isn't'it?

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459119]So I've been back about a week now and found some interesting things out about the girl in my pics and youtube video. We've been talking on FB here and there and she has even been calling me almost every day since I left telling me how she is in love and doesn't want any other men. Well, she may feel that now being so young, but I know what she does to pay the phone bill and buy food. I'm sure there have already been other dudes digging all in her guts since I left.

Anyway, yesterday a chica from Santo Domingo contacted me on FB. She is FB friends and an ex coworker with Suzy [her fake name and the giri in the vids. ] Suzy used to work at a perfume shop with this girl in Santo Domingo when she got fired once her boss found out she was a prostitute and her mother is a thief / scam artist. This happened last December. Well a side note on the time frame. Suzy turned eighteen last December so she was already hooking before she was even of legal age. Sad. From what this girl was telling me, she said to be careful with these two because they are known to set men up and blackmail them. The mother even pulled a knife in the girl's face when she had to fire Suzy. Since then, somewhere along the line, they moved to Sosua. Haven't been there long enough to establish a bad reputation but maybe the mother was just waiting till her daughter turned 18 to move her to the puta capital of the DR.

From what I have learned by observing the mother with my own eyes none of what this girl told me was shocking. I already had the spidey-sense thing going on with her mother and played my cards right to not get caught up in a scam. Sadly, I do believe that that poor girl has been, and is being groomed into being one hard-core puta because her mom is too used up to sell her own ass anymore. That mother has a tight leash on Suzy. The poor girl got caught up with me and broke all the rules when I was there. I do feel that even putas are capable of feelings and getting lost in them every once in a while.

Well, I'm saying this to you guys because if you run into this girl, you may have a great time at a decent price. But you may also be a target by the mother somehow if you allow yourself to be and do some stupid shit like take sex video or something. Most likely, she is just hooking it like most the other girls and paying for her mothers food and board. However, I have a feeling that if someone isn't smart or even worse, try and disrespect or make an enemy of the girl. They might be ballsy enough to try and extort that monger and they also have a tight family / friend network there that probably wouldn't think twice about helping those two out in order to scam an asshole tourist. So, have your wits about you and play nice and you should be fine.

If one of you guys wants to try and hit it, she lives and can be found quite often at the BBQ stand right next to Hotel Coco and Mary Rose. Really good fucking chicken too! Just be sure to tell the board or send me a PM so I can have verification of what I already suspect. Wouldn't mind tapping it again too but I know the game and her FB friend is really hot and also a normal girl from what I think, might be a good reason to go to Santo Domingo next time LOL. Got plenty of time to plan my next trip anyways. Hope this info was useful.

Ciao[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bad Boy Billy;1459118]What the latest info on Passions guys?[/QUOTE]Seriously closed and for good. Former associates are on the streets. This only fact on their CV is a huge deterrent at least for me.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459119]So I've been back about a week now and found some interesting things out about the girl in my pics and youtube video. We've been talking on FB here and there and she has even been calling me almost every day since I left telling me how she is in love and doesn't want any other men. Well, she may feel that now being so young, but I know what she does to pay the phone bill and buy food. I'm sure there have already been other dudes digging all in her guts since I left.

Ciao[/QUOTE]If it is a scam one of this days she will tell or text you that she is very sad becouse her mother (or father) was taken urgently to the hospital and she needs money for an operation or for medicines.

[QUOTE=Questner;1459194]Seriously closed and for good. Former associates are on the streets. This only fact on their CV is a huge deterrent at least for me.[/QUOTE]Is Peter still incarcerated in Puerto Plata?

[quote=chris long; 1459107]if the authorities wanted to end p4p in sosua they would not try to ban it all at once, tried that before and it didn't work. they would simply chip away at it little by little and let it die by a thousand cuts. first get rid of the mainly haitian operated mps under the excuse of not having a massage license, then get rid of the number one (foreign owned) casa in sosua, the reason of which still is not perfectly clear, then shut down one of the smaller less popular bars right on the strip itself, for apparently having **** customers. then let it slowly bleed away, mongers hear of the crackdown and closures and slowly start to dwindle away. the girls hear of these raids and closures and slowly start to avoid sosua. mongers report that there are less girls and less action and even more mongers start to dwindle away. the girls hear that there are fewer and fewer mongers and less opportunity to make money and even less girls start to show up, and then you have a negative downward cycle until the whole thing just dries up and blows away...[/quote]interesting theory. decreasing supply to lessen demand.

the us government has attempted this approach on drugs by eradicating coca, mj, opium plants etc. so far it is not working.

my guess is the government of puerto plata is attempting to improve the overall image by reducing the obvious prostitution. it is impossible to completely stop but it may appease the new cruise ship customers. mongers simply must adjust and step-up their game.

[quote=chris long; 1459107]if the authorities wanted to end p4p in sosua they would not try to ban it all at once, tried that before and it didn't work. they would simply chip away at it little by little and let it die by a thousand cuts. first get rid of the mainly haitian operated mps under the excuse of not having a massage license, then get rid of the number one (foreign owned) casa in sosua, the reason of which still is not perfectly clear, then shut down one of the smaller less popular bars right on the strip itself, for apparently having **** customers. then let it slowly bleed away, mongers hear of the crackdown and closures and slowly start to dwindle away. the girls hear of these raids and closures and slowly start to avoid sosua. mongers report that there are less girls and less action and even more mongers start to dwindle away. the girls hear that there are fewer and fewer mongers and less opportunity to make money and even less girls start to show up, and then you have a negative downward cycle until the whole thing just dries up and blows away.

what is the next shoe to fall?

i predict cleaning up the beach of freelancers will be the next phase, what excuse they will use? i'm sure they will find something.

what will become of establishments like rocky's, new garden and the others? they will adapt or die. right now the money for them is in mongers and they are on our side, but if we start to dwindle away and regular family tourists start to fill the void they will adapt or go out of business. they will cater to the family tourist and no longer will they want mongers traipsing through their establishment with a chica in hand in front of their family tourist. you can't blame them they will have to adapt to the new market or go under.

chris[/quote]sosua has gone through this cycle before and it does ultimately reduce tourist cash flow because ai tourists don't spend as much in the local businesses. it's unlikely reduced mongering will lead to any large upswing in other tourism but it will make it easier on real estate developers. big nearby ai tourist developments like playa dorada that have always kept mongering very discreet are just barely scraping by or closing. punta cana isn't doing that well. sosua-caberete's biggest business is selling real estate to extranjeros, providing a relatively comfortable setting for people who want to buy condos or villas.

the dr is a very player friendly culture but it's also very conservative about appearances. it's awash in drug cartel money but has stiff penalties for weed. every little town has a disco tipico with chicas waiting to be barfined out and short stay cabanas and a very friendly attitude to p4p, but would be shocked by american style open porn sales or topless bars.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459119]So I've been back about a week now and found some interesting things out about the girl in my pics and youtube video. We've been talking on FB here and there and she has even been calling me almost every day since I left telling me how she is in love and doesn't want any other men. Well, she may feel that now being so young, but I know what she does to pay the phone bill and buy food. I'm sure there have already been other dudes digging all in her guts since I left.

Anyway, yesterday a chica from Santo Domingo contacted me on FB. She is FB friends and an ex coworker with Suzy [her fake name and the giri in the vids. ][/QUOTE]One of the reasons I don't have a Facebook page is that it makes it really hard to compartmentalize your life. Now, because you friended Suzy on Facebook, everyone who knows her on Facebook has a way to find out who you are.

Here's a link to a very sad story going the rounds that is not directly relevant to mongering, but shows that you can't trust the motives of strangers met online via social networking sites.

[url]http://grahamcluley.com/2013/08/webcam-blackmail/[/url]#comment-2353

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1459334]The DR is a very player friendly culture but it's also very conservative about appearances. It's awash in drug cartel money but has stiff penalties for weed. Every little town has a disco tipico with chicas waiting to be barfined out and short stay cabanas and a very friendly attitude to p4p, but would be shocked by american style open porn sales or topless bars.[/QUOTE]That's right. If Sosua was in the US and prostitution was legal, there would be billboards along the highway all the way from Puerto Plata saying "Suck and fuck $40. Free condom. Exit at Sosua gas station." and the brothels would have huge obscene moving neon signs outside, much bigger than the tiny one that Passions had. But the DR is not like that and the oldest school in Sosua is right next to D'Classico disco, something you would never see in a red light district in the US.

[QUOTE=Buscemi;1459285]Is Peter still incarcerated in Puerto Plata?[/QUOTE]Yes, he was denied bail last week.

I heard when the police broke open the safe at Passions there was 60 million DOP ($1. 5mil USD) in there and it "disappeared". I always respected Peter as a businessman but wow, how stupid leaving that much money in a safe in a wh0rehouse.

You really believe he had that money in a safe? Come on.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1459372]Yes, he was denied bail last week.

I heard when the police broke open the safe at Passions there was 60 million DOP ($1. 5mil USD) in there and it "disappeared". I always respected Peter as a businessman but wow, how stupid leaving that much money in a safe in a wh0rehouse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1459347]One of the reasons I don't have a Facebook page is that it makes it really hard to compartmentalize your life. Now, because you friended Suzy on Facebook, everyone who knows her on Facebook has a way to find out who you are.

Here's a link to a very sad story going the rounds that is not directly relevant to mongering, but shows that you can't trust the motives of strangers met online via social networking sites.

[url]http://grahamcluley.com/2013/08/webcam-blackmail/[/url]

#comment-2353[/QUOTE]I met a chica named Yenica Tavarez on Facebook, her handle is LaBebe Tavarez, and Paola Santo. Knew her for about 6 weeks or so, enough so that I went across the street to the beach for 45 minutes, returned and my cell phone was gone, so was a valuable MIDO watch and a Leatherman. She denied stealing it, but I have phone records to prove she did, dumb shit used my phone. Anyway she wants to sell me my watch for 5000 pesos, and when she came with her husband / brother, who ever she lied to me about, I got his ass in jail. She is on the run, probably in Sosua. Anybody knows who she is and where?

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1459372]Yes, he was denied bail last week.

I heard when the police broke open the safe at Passions there was 60 million DOP ($1. 5mil USD) in there and it "disappeared". I always respected Peter as a businessman but wow, how stupid leaving that much money in a safe in a wh0rehouse.[/QUOTE]Strange, that is the same amount that went missing after the raid on the German compound up in La Mulata last year. You sure your not getting your stories and Germans mixed up?

[QUOTE=Llttf;1459395]Strange, that is the same amount that went missing after the raid on the German compound up in La Mulata last year. You sure your not getting your stories and Germans mixed up?[/QUOTE]WRONG Germans indeed, there is NO WAY Peter was that stupid to have that on site.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1459391]You really believe he had that money in a safe? Come on.[/QUOTE]I never said that I believed it, where did I say that?

[QUOTE=Llttf;1459395]Strange, that is the same amount that went missing after the raid on the German compound up in La Mulata last year. You sure your not getting your stories and Germans mixed up?[/QUOTE]I surely didn't but the person that told me about the 60mil in Peter's safe could have, who knows, there have been so many stories about him getting arrested and the circumstances around it that it is hard to believe any of it anymore.

[QUOTE=Buscemi;1459396]WRONG Germans indeed, there is NO WAY Peter was that stupid to have that on site.[/QUOTE]He's stupid enough to have gotten himself locked up in a Dominican jail. And he's stupid enough to have the wrong lawyer representing him.

Figured I would share my experiences in Sosua with the community. Sosua is definitely a great mongering destination in Central America. I went there earlier in the year before the closing of Passions. A bit of a shame that as it was a good pricing index for the town. Was my first time there.

[B]Pros: [/B]

ST can be as low as 1500 DOP for cute chicas (managed that a few times. Only exception was 1700. What a waste). I felt like I could have gotten cheaper. During daytime if you like a girl, have a beer with her and then just tell her how much you'll pay her on your way back to your place. [B]Don't be afraid to lowball[/B], especially in daytime. I felt I should have offered 800 pesos for 1.5-2 hours. Instead I spent about 1500 + 100 tipping like a dumb gringo for her moto concho.

Rick (owner of Rockys) is a great guy and mongers are very friendly, including the black guys that I met.

You can find some hot girls amongst the crowd.

Decent beach and nice prices on accommodations and food. Overall very affordable.

Good internet access available.

[B]Cons:[/B]

A ton of ugly girls and fat girls who are not classy and come and grab you. Sometimes it can be really hard to find a cute chica that you feel made it worth it for you to fly for 5 hours to fuck. You can spend 45 minutes seeing the same fat ass girls moving around in a weird circle on Pedro Clisante and frustrated.

You get offered motos and begged for money or solicited for some piece of crap you don't want every other second. Dominican guys in Sosua are extremely annoying.

Really loud and annoying music. I know this sounds dumb, but I really wish they'd just have a nice lounge with quiet music and the girls just sitting around waiting. You aren't going to get that in the DR though haha.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1459395]Strange, that is the same amount that went missing after the raid on the German compound up in La Mulata last year. You sure your not getting your stories and Germans mixed up?[/QUOTE]The missing 1.5 milliin is from the German police killed during the illegal raid on their villa in October. Three generals dismissed two coronels locked up and 9 other officers dismissedd. Huge scandal right now all over the news. Videos are now surfacing of the raid and of the killing. I say lock them all up and throw away the key.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459119]So I've been back about a week now and found some interesting things out about the girl in my pics and youtube video. We've been talking on FB here and there and she has even been calling me almost every day since I left telling me how she is in love and doesn't want any other men. Well, she may feel that now being so young, but I know what she does to pay the phone bill and buy food. I'm sure there have already been other dudes digging all in her guts since I left.

Anyway, yesterday a chica from Santo Domingo contacted me on FB. She is FB friends and an ex coworker with Suzy [her fake name and the giri in the vids. ] Suzy used to work at a perfume shop with this girl in Santo Domingo when she got fired once her boss found out she was a prostitute and her mother is a thief / scam artist. This happened last December. Well a side note on the time frame. Suzy turned eighteen last December so she was already hooking before she was even of legal age. Sad. From what this girl was telling me, she said to be careful with these two because they are known to set men up and blackmail them. The mother even pulled a knife in the girl's face when she had to fire Suzy. Since then, somewhere along the line, they moved to Sosua. Haven't been there long enough to establish a bad reputation but maybe the mother was just waiting till her daughter turned 18 to move her to the puta capital of the DR.

From what I have learned by observing the mother with my own eyes none of what this girl told me was shocking. I already had the spidey-sense thing going on with her mother and played my cards right to not get caught up in a scam. Sadly, I do believe that that poor girl has been, and is being groomed into being one hard-core puta because her mom is too used up to sell her own ass anymore. That mother has a tight leash on Suzy. The poor girl got caught up with me and broke all the rules when I was there. I do feel that even putas are capable of feelings and getting lost in them every once in a while.

Well, I'm saying this to you guys because if you run into this girl, you may have a great time at a decent price. But you may also be a target by the mother somehow if you allow yourself to be and do some stupid shit like take sex video or something. Most likely, she is just hooking it like most the other girls and paying for her mothers food and board. However, I have a feeling that if someone isn't smart or even worse, try and disrespect or make an enemy of the girl. They might be ballsy enough to try and extort that monger and they also have a tight family / friend network there that probably wouldn't think twice about helping those two out in order to scam an asshole tourist. So, have your wits about you and play nice and you should be fine.

If one of you guys wants to try and hit it, she lives and can be found quite often at the BBQ stand right next to Hotel Coco and Mary Rose. Really good fucking chicken too! Just be sure to tell the board or send me a PM so I can have verification of what I already suspect. Wouldn't mind tapping it again too but I know the game and her FB friend is really hot and also a normal girl from what I think, might be a good reason to go to Santo Domingo next time LOL. Got plenty of time to plan my next trip anyways. Hope this info was useful.

Ciao[/QUOTE]I don't ever deal with third parties when it comes to chicas (excluding Passions)

A woman who would sell her own daughter to a stranger is capable of anything.

Also considering your last trip report and what happened at El Toro it's looks like your left just in time haha!

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459119]So I've been back about a week now and found some interesting things out about the girl in my pics and youtube video. We've been talking on FB here and there and she has even been calling me almost every day since I left telling me how she is in love and doesn't want any other men. Well, she may feel that now being so young, but I know what she does to pay the phone bill and buy food. I'm sure there have already been other dudes digging all in her guts since I left.

Anyway, yesterday a chica from Santo Domingo contacted me on FB. She is FB friends and an ex coworker with Suzy [her fake name and the giri in the vids. ] Suzy used to work at a perfume shop with this girl in Santo Domingo when she got fired once her boss found out she was a prostitute and her mother is a thief / scam artist. This happened last December. Well a side note on the time frame. Suzy turned eighteen last December so she was already hooking before she was even of legal age. Sad. From what this girl was telling me, she said to be careful with these two because they are known to set men up and blackmail them.[/QUOTE]Me and my buddy past both of them on the beach today. The reason I knew who she was is because of the videos you shared.

I did not pursue heavily but I definitely feel I could have had "Suzy" tonight. At this point in my mongering career, there is no way I would believe any of these girls when they profess they are in love with a dude. Its all a well orchestrated act.

She may be 18 but don't put a lot of stock in her youth, or because her mother is pimping her. That girl knows damn well what she is doing now, and has known what she's been doing years before her 18th BD. Honestly, when I heard her speak in your video, I had a totally different perception of her than how she appeared to me in your trip report. And after seeing her today, my perception of her has been confirmed even more.

If your intent is to bang her again and not get caught up, then you are doing the right thing for yourself. If what you report now has any credibility, then perhaps you should consider putting that vacation and experience behind you and find another chica. There sure is plenty here to choose from. She dont love you, as Full Force said in a song.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1459770]Me and my buddy past both of them on the beach today. The reason I knew who she was is because of the videos you shared.

I did not pursue heavily but I definitely feel I could have had "Suzy" tonight. At this point in my mongering career, there is no way I would believe any of these girls when they profess they are in love with a dude. Its all a well orchestrated act.

She may be 18 but don't put a lot of stock in her youth, or because her mother is pimping her. That girl knows damn well what she is doing now, and has known what she's been doing years before her 18th BD. Honestly, when I heard her speak in your video, I had a totally different perception of her than how she appeared to me in your trip report. And after seeing her today, my perception of her has been confirmed even more.

If your intent is to bang her again and not get caught up, then you are doing the right thing for yourself. If what you report now has any credibility, then perhaps you should consider putting that vacation and experience behind you and find another chica. There sure is plenty here to choose from. She don't love you, as Full Force said in a song.[/QUOTE]How could you say that about her! You don't know what we have!

Haha, just kidding. Really appreciate the update Wrx! Trust me, I know the score. I had fun with the girl while I was there and the fact that I was able to have a great GFE with her without her asking for money said a lot. It was more of a boost to my ego again as it wasn't the first time I've had a prostitute go off the clock just because she is having a good time. However, even while I was there and indulging in the fantasy vacation you only see in movies, I knew that it was going to be short lived and never forgot about who this girl really is. But like I said before, even prostitutes can get caught up in human emotion from time to time. Would I like to fuck her again, absolutely. It was some of the best sex I've had in years. Is she the ONLY girl I want to see my next time there. Hell No! So, if I go back in 10-11 months when I'm back from working I'll play it by ear when that time comes by telling her when I'll be available to spend time [I plan on hitting up SD or Santiago, anywhere else really, and then finalizing my trip with the last week in Sosua. ] And that is if I go to the DR instead of taking a first-time trip to Colombia instead [Spanish proficiency dependent. ]

BTW, Suzy called me last night mentioning she was getting my tattoo on her LOL. She mentioned this on my trip and took a picture of the shark tattoo on my back with her phone. I didn't think she was serious but she just sent me a FB message saying she has my tattoo next to her pussy LOL. And I just saw the pic. OMG! Fucking crazy! I think it is only a matter of time before this girl drops the Western Union bomb.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459780]How could you say that about her! You don't know what we have!

Haha, just kidding. Really appreciate the update Save! Trust me, I know the score. I had fun with the girl while I was there and the fact that I was able to have a great GFE with her without her asking for money said a lot. It was more of a boost to my ego again as it wasn't the first time I've had a prostitute go off the clock just because she is having a good time. However, even while I was there and indulging in the fantasy vacation you only see in movies, I knew that it was going to be short lived and never forgot about who this girl really is. But like I said before, even prostitutes can get caught up in human emotion from time to time. Would I like to fuck her again, absolutely. It was some of the best sex I've had in years. Is she the ONLY girl I want to see my next time there. Hell No! So, if I go back in 10-11 months when I'm back from working I'll play it by ear when that time comes by telling her when I'll be available to spend time [I plan on hitting up SD or Santiago, anywhere else really, and then finalizing my trip with the last week in Sosua. ] And that is if I go to the DR instead of taking a first-time trip to Colombia instead [Spanish proficiency dependent. ]

BTW, Suzy called me last night mentioning she was getting my tattoo on her LOL. She mentioned this on my trip and took a picture of the shark tattoo on my back with her phone. I didn't think she was serious but she just sent me a FB message saying she has my tattoo next to her pussy LOL. And I just saw the pic. OMG! Fucking crazy! I think it is only a matter of time before this girl drops the Western Union bomb.[/QUOTE]Trace79, I have been sitting on the sideline watching and listening to your posts and videos and I really hope you believe some of what your posting and not just writing it to convince us you know the score. But man, I can tell from your videos and posts this girl is in your head way to much! I get the depression when leaving the airport, especially if you haven't been to the Dom Rep often or aren't coming back for sometime. You start the "only what if " scenarios in your head. Since nobody else will say it I only tell you this because you seem like a nice guy and actually went out of your way IMO to post some good stuff which this thread needed desperately. But the honest truth! She doesn't love you. She will go with someone else for a week in the same scenario as you in a heartbeat. She doesn't think of you nearly as often as you are thinking of her if at all. When your at the airport crying in your beer she isn't doing the same, they arent wired like that. There is absolutely no point in keeping up with her on facebook unless your rolling down there in the next month or so. I would offer to give you reports on her while I am there but really it does no good. Think of it as fond memories and remember there are always more.


P.S. The girls going off the clock isnt unheard if your there for a while. Looking at the video your a good looking guy you will find alot of girls there that will kiss your ass.

Doker44

There are a couple street hustlers who hang out at El Toro watching drunks leave DLatins. They are very unassuming and speak perfect English. They will ask you if you need drugs, girls ect. Obviously their intention is to rip you off.

One guys name is Joey and he claims to be a out of work chef from NYC. Thin. 6ft. 180 pounds.

Don't trust anybody in the DR. It's worse than Cuba.

Something I just tagged.

[QUOTE=Onibmab; 1459539]Figured I would share my experiences in Sosua with the community. * Sosua is definitely a great mongering destination in Central America* I went there earlier in the year before the closing of Passions. A bit of a shame that as it was a good pricing index for the town. Was my first time there.

A ton of ugly girls and fat girls who are not classy and come and grab you. Sometimes it can be really hard to find a cute chica that you feel made it worth it for you to fly for 5 hours to fuck. You can spend 45 minutes seeing the same fat ass girls moving around in a weird circle on Pedro Clisante and frustrated.

You get offered motos and begged for money or solicited for some piece of crap you don't want every other second. Dominican guys in Sosua are extremely annoying.

Really loud and annoying music. I know this sounds dumb, but I really wish they'd just have a nice lounge with quiet music and the girls just sitting around waiting. You aren't going to get that in the DR though haha.[/QUOTE]Dude, are you one of Cuba Dave's people? I only ask because Sosua is definitely NOT in Central America.

The man had a great time and you bastards have to demeen it. He spent quality time with an 18 year old who shed tears when he left.

Real or not it is a beautiful thing, Sure his is not the last dick she fucks. WHO fucking cares. I only hope I can have half the good time he did. While you guys are fucking wore outcasa chica this man had something special to him. Not to mention the price was right. I think it is cool not worry about having feelings for the women who fucking you righteosly. My man does not need any negative reports on what she is doing. Let him have his fucking fantasy. Kool Out LOL.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459780]How could you say that about her! You don't know what we have!

Haha, just kidding. Really appreciate the update Wrx! Trust me, I know the score. I had fun with the girl while I was there and the fact that I was able to have a great GFE with her without her asking for money said a lot. It was more of a boost to my ego again as it wasn't the first time I've had a prostitute go off the clock just because she is having a good time. However, even while I was there and indulging in the fantasy vacation you only see in movies, I knew that it was going to be short lived and never forgot about who this girl really is. But like I said before, even prostitutes can get caught up in human emotion from time to time. Would I like to fuck her again, absolutely. It was some of the best sex I've had in years. Is she the ONLY girl I want to see my next time there. Hell No! So, if I go back in 10-11 months when I'm back from working I'll play it by ear when that time comes by telling her when I'll be available to spend time [I plan on hitting up SD or Santiago, anywhere else really, and then finalizing my trip with the last week in Sosua. ] And that is if I go to the DR instead of taking a first-time trip to Colombia instead [Spanish proficiency dependent. ]

BTW, Suzy called me last night mentioning she was getting my tattoo on her LOL. She mentioned this on my trip and took a picture of the shark tattoo on my back with her phone. I didn't think she was serious but she just sent me a FB message saying she has my tattoo next to her pussy LOL. And I just saw the pic. OMG! Fucking crazy! I think it is only a matter of time before this girl drops the Western Union bomb.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doker44; 1459786]Trace79, I have been sitting on the sideline watching and listening to your posts and videos and I really hope you believe some of what your posting and not just writing it to convince us you know the score. But man, I can tell from your videos and posts this girl is in your head way to much! I get the depression when leaving the airport, especially if you haven't been to the Dom Rep often or aren't coming back for sometime. You start the "only what if " scenarios in your head. Since nobody else will say it I only tell you this because you seem like a nice guy and actually went out of your way IMO to post some good stuff which this thread needed desperately. But the honest truth! She doesn't love you. She will go with someone else for a week in the same scenario as you in a heartbeat. She doesn't think of you nearly as often as you are thinking of her if at all. When your at the airport crying in your beer she isn't doing the same, they arent wired like that. There is absolutely no point in keeping up with her on facebook unless your rolling down there in the next month or so. I would offer to give you reports on her while I am there but really it does no good. Think of it as fond memories and remember there are always more.

P. S. The girls going off the clock isn't unheard if your there for a while. Looking at the video your a good looking guy you will find alot of girls there that will kiss your ass.

Doker44[/QUOTE]Okay, well if it is credibility you want than maybe I can point a few things out that might gain favor; as if my reputation is of up-most importance to me regarding people I will most likely never meet in real life LOL. For one, if I were concerned about my rep on this board I would have never given access to my youtube vids. Second, the video of me "crying" at the airport isn't really crying like in a flat out pussified ball. There was emotions yes, and they were sparked by numerous events; part Suzy, part DR, part friends I met, part going back to hell. I did proclaim my hope that that girl will find her way in life but no how was it a sob story all about her. It was just a damn good vacation.

I know she isn't in love. It is more infatuation because, like I said, she is only eighteen. All the while, she is still doing her thing shaking her money maker because that is what was taught to her. It is sad, but it is reality. Trust man, I am thirty-four and never married with no kids for a reason. Women come and go and this time was no different, especially given the geographic region and playing field. If I had feelings, I sure as hell wouldn't be telling people on this board where they can find her to go hit it.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1459802]The man had a great time and you bastards have to demeen it. He spent quality time with an 18 year old who shed tears when he left.

Real or not it is a beautiful thing, Sure his is not the last dick she fucks. WHO fucking cares. I only hope I can have half the good time he did. While you guys are fucking wore outcasa chica this man had something special to him. Not to mention the price was right. I think it is cool not worry about having feelings for the women who fucking you righteosly. My man does not need any negative reports on what she is doing. Let him have his fucking fantasy. Kool Out LOL.[/QUOTE]Thank you OldKool! I think you get it. It is what it is and that's all it will ever be. A damn good vacation.

BTW, here's an example of eighteen-year-old infatuation, not love. At least she didn't get my name tattooed. Oh, and I did not encourage this at all. I'm not that evil. Jokingly, when she said she was going to get my tat on her [and I didn't take her serious,] I did tell her to make sure she doesn't get some retard artist which is exactly what happened lol...fuck man, this was out of left field. I think I'll think twice before I give proper D' to an eighteen-year-old next time...never know what those crazy girls will do lol!

Sorry for the double post of the tattoo pic.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459780]How could you say that about her! You don't know what we have!

Haha, just kidding. Really appreciate the update Wrx! Trust me, I know the score. I had fun with the girl while I was there and the fact that I was able to have a great GFE with her without her asking for money said a lot. It was more of a boost to my ego again as it wasn't the first time I've had a prostitute go off the clock just because she is having a good time. However, even while I was there and indulging in the fantasy vacation you only see in movies, I knew that it was going to be short lived and never forgot about who this girl really is. But like I said before, even prostitutes can get caught up in human emotion from time to time. Would I like to fuck her again, absolutely. It was some of the best sex I've had in years. Is she the ONLY girl I want to see my next time there. Hell No! So, if I go back in 10-11 months when I'm back from working I'll play it by ear when that time comes by telling her when I'll be available to spend time [I plan on hitting up SD or Santiago, anywhere else really, and then finalizing my trip with the last week in Sosua. ] And that is if I go to the DR instead of taking a first-time trip to Colombia instead [Spanish proficiency dependent. ]

BTW, Suzy called me last night mentioning she was getting my tattoo on her LOL. She mentioned this on my trip and took a picture of the shark tattoo on my back with her phone. I didn't think she was serious but she just sent me a FB message saying she has my tattoo next to her pussy LOL. And I just saw the pic. OMG! Fucking crazy! I think it is only a matter of time before this girl drops the Western Union bomb.[/QUOTE]I think you're handling things way better than I would. You had a great experience with a hott young girl, at a great price. You're now back to reality and realize it was what it was. If it happens again, great. If not, enjoy it for experiencing it. Learn from it, so the chance of a similar one in the future is good.

Well Trace, I for one applaud your bravery. I'm heading down there next week and I'd rather have a week long romance with a beautiful woman that feels authentic then a bunch of pump and dump smash and grabs. We know that its not real but that's what the airplane ride home is for. The reality check. It's cool. If I see her next week I'll tell her you said what's up LOL. Don't think I would partake in the booty though, now that I have seen your face it would be too weird haha.

[QUOTE=Doker44; 1459786]Trace79, I have been sitting on the sideline watching and listening to your posts and videos and I really hope you believe some of what your posting and not just writing it to convince us you know the score. But man, I can tell from your videos and posts this girl is in your head way to much! I get the depression when leaving the airport, especially if you haven't been to the Dom Rep often or aren't coming back for sometime. You start the "only what if " scenarios in your head. Since nobody else will say it I only tell you this because you seem like a nice guy and actually went out of your way IMO to post some good stuff which this thread needed desperately. But the honest truth! She doesn't love you. She will go with someone else for a week in the same scenario as you in a heartbeat. She doesn't think of you nearly as often as you are thinking of her if at all. When your at the airport crying in your beer she isn't doing the same, they arent wired like that. There is absolutely no point in keeping up with her on facebook unless your rolling down there in the next month or so. I would offer to give you reports on her while I am there but really it does no good. Think of it as fond memories and remember there are always more.

P. S. The girls going off the clock isn't unheard if your there for a while. Looking at the video your a good looking guy you will find alot of girls there that will kiss your ass.

Doker44[/QUOTE]You have just took all the words out my mouth. You and I were reading the same vibe. Trace79 I thought you were going to cry at the airport. Can you tell me how many times she said I love you?

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1459802]The man had a great time and you bastards have to demeen it. He spent quality time with an 18 year old who shed tears when he left.

Real or not it is a beautiful thing, Sure his is not the last dick she fucks. WHO fucking cares. I only hope I can have half the good time he did. While you guys are fucking wore outcasa chica this man had something special to him. Not to mention the price was right. I think it is cool not worry about having feelings for the women who fucking you righteosly. My man does not need any negative reports on what she is doing. Let him have his fucking fantasy. Kool Out LOL.[/QUOTE]Fuck that Oldkool! Its the boards' job to be real about what we analyze base on the info given, experience and he gave us the video. Especially if you see a man slipping. Why would anyone need to confirm a woe is a woe. If the GFE is what he was playing- that's all cool. Good para ti Trace. But I think, you want to hear someone remind to you. What you all ready know. That is why he asked for a recon report. Stay strong Traces you can do it! I will PM you JT Moneys."Hoe Problems" if you need it. PS If someone see me slipping don't hold the punches. I need them in bunches!

[QUOTE=Peppy007;1458630]Was curious to know the route your friend took to get to Sosua. Anything that beats a four hour drive is great news.[/QUOTE]Its called autopista Juan Pablo II. It's the major highway between SD and SD airport. It's tricky getting on it but good from there. I wouldn't dare do it at night.

From Sosua News:

Manicure and pedicure salons closed on the beach.

A few days ago the police also closed the manicure and pedicure salons on the beach of Sosúa. The owners of these businesses were checked for establishment documents and professional qualifications and when in default, the shops were closed. In Sosúa and surroundings, many families depend on the income from these small businesses. So many families are again plunged into deep poverty for these closures. We write 'again' because the recently closed 16 massage parlors and the closure of El Toro bar / nightclub also duped many families.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1459889]From Sosua News:

Manicure and pedicure salons closed on the beach.

A few days ago the police also closed the manicure and pedicure salons on the beach of Sosúa. The owners of these businesses were checked for establishment documents and professional qualifications and when in default, the shops were closed. In Sosúa and surroundings, many families depend on the income from these small businesses. So many families are again plunged into deep poverty for these closures. We write 'again' because the recently closed 16 massage parlors and the closure of El Toro bar / nightclub also duped many families.[/QUOTE]It's a fucking shame what they do to their own people; WTF?

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459780]How could you say that about her! You don't know what we have!

Haha, just kidding. Really appreciate the update Wrx! Trust me, I know the score. I had fun with the girl while I was there and the fact that I was able to have a great GFE with her without her asking for money said a lot. It was more of a boost to my ego again as it wasn't the first time I've had a prostitute go off the clock just because she is having a good time. However, even while I was there and indulging in the fantasy vacation you only see in movies, I knew that it was going to be short lived and never forgot about who this girl really is. But like I said before, even prostitutes can get caught up in human emotion from time to time. Would I like to fuck her again, absolutely. It was some of the best sex I've had in years. Is she the ONLY girl I want to see my next time there. Hell No! So, if I go back in 10-11 months when I'm back from working I'll play it by ear when that time comes by telling her when I'll be available to spend time [I plan on hitting up SD or Santiago, anywhere else really, and then finalizing my trip with the last week in Sosua. ] And that is if I go to the DR instead of taking a first-time trip to Colombia instead [Spanish proficiency dependent. ]

BTW, Suzy called me last night mentioning she was getting my tattoo on her LOL. She mentioned this on my trip and took a picture of the shark tattoo on my back with her phone. I didn't think she was serious but she just sent me a FB message saying she has my tattoo next to her pussy LOL. And I just saw the pic. OMG! Fucking crazy! I think it is only a matter of time before this girl drops the Western Union bomb.[/QUOTE]Happy mongering, you seem to know whats going on. I know its amazing how convincing these chicas can be. I'd bet money, her mother and her have long range plans for you? I have noticed this strategy since day one of coming to the DR and more lately. And not just with women but with many other dominicans. When they have a long range goal in mind or simply want to conceal their intent, a lot of it is done by forgoing immediate gratification or compensation.

They can accomplish a few things with that approach. It may help bridge a bond with their mark. May help drop any defenses one may have up. May help make someone less suspcious of them having an agenda. It may help make them appear more sincere and genuinie. And it usually works too. Look how easily many of us respond to a chica or any Dominican who appears not to want money or a favor. Many of us don't look at that response as the norm. Some of us may be immediately impressed by that. And were quick to bring that up if we choose to tell someone we know. Including making a bigger deal of it than it is. Many of us are more used to seeing a take take take mentality in the dr.

I have a taxi guy in the DR like that. He intentionally avoids and almost refuses to give a price for his services. Why? Because he knows how many foreigners think. And how grateful many of us are to have somebody in a foreign country "looking out" for us. He knows that if he waits patiently, he can get a bigger payday later from his client than from a simple trip from one place to the next. You need money changed? Shop at the store? Him pick up and drop off a girl for you? Anything extra he does turns into a much bigger profit for him. When he operates like that, now you arent paying for where he drove to. You are potentially running a tab on services and conveniences and possibly have no clue what he expects when hes done.

Its almost like running a tab at a bar, and being hit with a huge bill because you never checked the prices of everything individually. Not to mention the possibility of deception or fraud. Just a brief thought. A lady worker in a snack convenience store at jfk airport stopped me briefly at the register to tell me that the oatmeal cookies I was about to purchase with my sandwich cost almost $6 for 2 little ass cookies. I thanked her for that and put the cookies back. On rare occasions I have run into dominicans with that sense of thoughtfulness and courtesy, but oft times it can be a challenge to see it consistently. Most times it seems preying on ignorance prevails moreso, especially in the p4p arena. Again happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1459814]Okay, well if it is credibility you want than maybe I can point a few things out that might gain favor; as if my reputation is of up-most importance to me regarding people I will most likely never meet in real life LOL. For one, if I were concerned about my rep on this board I would have never given access to my youtube vids. Second, the video of me "crying" at the airport isn't really crying like in a flat out pussified ball. There was emotions yes, and they were sparked by numerous events; part Suzy, part DR, part friends I met, part going back to hell. I did proclaim my hope that that girl will find her way in life but no how was it a sob story all about her. It was just a damn good vacation.

I know she isn't in love. It is more infatuation because, like I said, she is only eighteen. All the while, she is still doing her thing shaking her money maker because that is what was taught to her. It is sad, but it is reality. Trust man, I am thirty-four and never married with no kids for a reason. Women come and go and this time was no different, especially given the geographic region and playing field. If I had feelings, I sure as hell wouldn't be telling people on this board where they can find her to go hit it.

Thank you OldKool! I think you get it. It is what it is and that's all it will ever be. A damn good vacation.

BTW, here's an example of eighteen-year-old infatuation, not love. At least she didn't get my name tattooed. Oh, and I did not encourage this at all. I'm not that evil. Jokingly, when she said she was going to get my tat on her [and I didn't take her serious, ] I did tell her to make sure she doesn't get some retard artist which is exactly what happened LOL. Fuck man, this was out of left field. I think I'll think twice before I give proper D' to an eighteen-year-old next time. Never know what those crazy girls will do LOL!

Sorry for the double post of the tattoo pic.[/QUOTE]Trace79 I don't want to rain on your awesome vacation and my post wasnt about credibility and I surely didn't mean to belittle you about your video in the airport. We have all been there for the reasons you mentioned. I realize your not stupid and I am not all knowing but after many years of coming and going I have a sixth sense about somethings like many here, just be careful.

[QUOTE=Trace79;1459814]post of the tattoo pic.[/QUOTE]I think its really good of you to make the effort, take time and share your experience with the members of the board. The videos and the photos really add to it as well.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1459889]From Sosua News:

Manicure and pedicure salons closed on the beach.[/QUOTE]I know I already reported this, but it is funny how one of my last thoughts in Sosua was, how vulnerable the mongering scene appeared. Is CMP next? Will there be monger centred Sosua still there for me next year?

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1459979]Will there be monger centred Sosua still there for me next year?[/QUOTE]Not exactly sure what you mean by this, but one thing I am 100% sure of. There will be ample young and attractive girls for anyone who wants them at very reasonable prices in both Sosua and Puerto Plata, all next year, and every year for the foreseeable future. All the rest about places opening and closing is just hot air. Don't object to guys swapping gossip to fill in time between trips but none of it really affects what I and my friends do.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1459983]There will be ample young and attractive girls for anyone who wants them at very reasonable prices in both Sosua and Puerto Plata, all next year, and every year for the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Thats reassuring. With all the closures, I was starting to worry, that the authorities are determined to clean up Sosua for good.