German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Ararat;2476491]Sweden won't prosecute anyone for going to a FKK. On the other hand the real price is being found out since that will immediately destroy your career, business and possibly friendships too.

I speak the language so I know when I hear it who is speaking it. I understand that Swedes are probably there alone and have no reason to be speaking Swedish but the truth is that every time I heard Swedish spoken it was some sort of Turk. I saw an comment here about them being caucasian white. Yes, caucasian, I. E. Not white. Caucasus is an area where people are various forms of Turks. People have light skin but they aren't white in any cultural sense of the word. Any Swede will immediately see the diffference since it's obvious.

Let's not go overboard on that angle. I, as a Swedish speaker, just dispute that there are many real Swedes at Artemis. At least in groups. Like I say, everytime it's been some form of Turks. I've heard them already at the airport sometimes when I've had other reasons to go to Berlin too.[/QUOTE]Blond with white skin Swedish would not go to prostitutes? I'm sure they were plenty on sex boats with Estonia, with girls complaining about violence in paid sex. I think we had 1 Danish here before. Scandinavians are not so different, they also need sex, and I find Swedish women less pretty than in 80's when they made us dream, maybe because we couldn't see beauties behind the wall.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476373]With new law, since 1 January 2018 , all prostitutes and escorts are, have to register to work in Germany, and to pay tax according to income, even they can lie about income, like with us. Some girls stopped because they didn't want to register. Mio. De can t work anymore in Germany because she doesn't want to register, so she tour at Globe. Manga girl, but lovely.[/QUOTE]The fact that they have to register doesn't mean they will do it. And if they are paying tax according to their income what is the 25 euro for tax they pay to FKK in addition to their entry fee?

No one knows about their income.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2476410]Update about prostitution situation in Saarland.

Prostitution is allowed again due to the judge's verdict in Saarland, but as long as the official rules for it are not clear, it cannot, at least officially, be exercised.

Source: [URL]https://www.saarbruecker-zeitung.de/saarland/landespolitik/prostitution-im-saarland-wieder-erlaubt-regeln-dafuer-aber-noch-offen_aid-52746039[/URL].

So it is still a rocky road. In the meantime, the "Working Group on Prostitution Sites of the Federal States" is developing rules on how prostitution can take place in the future, taking the Corona measures into account, and which special paths municipalities can take.

Source: [URL]https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/inland/politik-inland/prostitution-in-corona-zeiten-diese-sex-regeln-sollen-kuenftig-in-bordellen-gelt-72397468[/URL][/QUOTE]You have to have a BildPlus account to read the article on bil. De.

Maybe someone can summarize or even copy and paste?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2476392]You are a very literal person, Mr. Ho.

Yes, I am sure that all escorts are required to register.

But what if they don't?

How does the German police detective find 'Sunshine" who advertises as an escort to confirm her registration, particularly if the website she advertises on is not located in Germany?

Sex work has less than 100 percent perfect compliance with registration, taxation and government pension contribution systems.[/QUOTE]With sting operations. For example, police acting as a client.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476373]With new law, since 1 January 2018 , all prostitutes and escorts are, have to register to work in Germany, and to pay tax according to income, even they can lie about income, like with us. Some girls stopped because they didn't want to register. Mio. De can t work anymore in Germany because she doesn't want to register, so she tour at Globe. Manga girl, but lovely.[/QUOTE]I thought the law was since July 2017. Manga girl? She likes manga or she looks like a character from manga?

Globe has few German talents, I enjoyed very much and I guess it is partly due to new law pushing these German girls out of Germany to work in Switzerland where you do not need to register as you mentioned.

But I did find many German girls after July 2017 and I am not sure if they registered or not.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2476637]I thought the law was since July 2017. Manga girl? She likes manga or she looks like a character from manga?

Globe has few German talents, I enjoyed very much and I guess it is partly due to new law pushing these German girls out of Germany to work in Switzerland where you do not need to register as you mentioned.

But I did find many German girls after July 2017 and I am not sure if they registered or not.[/QUOTE]Switzerland requires registration according to Wiki.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2476636]With sting operations. For example, police acting as a client.[/QUOTE]Happens in the movies, not so much in real life.

There are a number of practical problems.

It is time-intensive. The policeman, or policemen, need to block off a significant block of time to show up for the appointment and demand that she produce registration documentation.

Most jurisdictions don't provide an exemption for the police to get free products or services in conjunction with an investigation. So if the policeman buys an hour, he has to pay (especially when she in fact produces her registration card). And if he pays for the hour out of taxpayer funds, it is going to be unpopular with many of those taxpayers if he has sex with her.

So the police are unlikely to do registration sting operations regarding escorts registering as sex workers.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476581]Blond with white skin Swedish would not go to prostitutes? [/QUOTE]They don't go to Artemis in groups. There was a report in the news a few days ago. 78 percent of the men caught visiting prostitutes were born abroad. Immigrants born in Sweden wasn't included.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476581]I'm sure they were plenty on sex boats with Estonia, with girls complaining about violence in paid sex. I think we had 1 Danish here before. Scandinavians are not so different, they also need sex, and I find Swedish women less pretty than in 80's when they made us dream, maybe because we couldn't see beauties behind the wall.[/QUOTE]I know of only case of violence. Two Swedish men were murdered by Estonians when they visited prostitutes in Tallinn.

There's more. I go to Amsterdam for work sometimes. There's always some Swedish colleague trying to be funny about girls or drugs. If you go to Germany there are no, absolutely no, such questions.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2476544]I am surprised you never been to Artemis or Berlin. They are both really fine place. But line up was better before like all other FKKs.[/QUOTE]Girls are wrong when they say: this guy goes everywhere, seeing me in Germany, Spain, NL, Switzerland and Austria, but not Artemis. I was always told Artemis is land of tattoos and silicon, not for me and far from Paris.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2476741]They don't go to Artemis in groups. There was a report in the news a few days ago. 78 percent of the men caught visiting prostitutes were born abroad. Immigrants born in Sweden wasn't included.

I know of only case of violence. Two Swedish men were murdered by Estonians when they visited prostitutes in Tallinn.

There's more. I go to Amsterdam for work sometimes. There's always some Swedish colleague trying to be funny about girls or drugs. If you go to Germany there are no, absolutely no, such questions.[/QUOTE]You never heard about these sex boats between Stockholm and Tallin, just after new law to prosecute clients. Poor have more risks to be caught when they go to street girls. How do You want I can be caught when I go to escorts in apartments, same for blond Swedish, they are just not caught, don t mean they don t go to prostitutes. I m sure they go, like in other country, and despite law.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2476636]With sting operations. For example, police acting as a client.[/QUOTE]No sting operation needed. I believe it was in 2018 in Sharks there was a major police intervention on which I reported in the Sharks thread. The police separated all the men from the women in the club and checked the documentation of everyone. The exercise lasted for many hours.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476752]No sting operation needed. I believe it was in 2018 in Sharks there was a major police intervention on which I reported in the Sharks thread. The police separated all the men from the women in the club and checked the documentation of everyone. The exercise lasted for many hours.[/QUOTE]You should have cooperate with police even in FKK, but since it is in FKK, you should cooperated butt naked with elected penis LOL!

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476682]Switzerland requires registration according to Wiki.[/QUOTE]OK, so I guess German girls mind less to be registered as long as it is in abroad.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476409]Scandinavian men born in and growing up in their respective countries do not need the services of prostitutes. Scandinavian women give in to sex with their men very easily. When I visited Denmark and Sweden in 1992 I found the women so very friendly and easy to ask out on a date. In Denmark a young beautiful 18 year old girl who I never thought would have been friendly with me went on a date with me. I met her at a swimming pool complex where she was with her younger sister. Scandinavian women are super friendly.[/QUOTE]They may have been in the 90's. Not any more.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2476611]The fact that they have to register doesn't mean they will do it. And if they are paying tax according to their income what is the 25 euro for tax they pay to FKK in addition to their entry fee?

No one knows about their income.[/QUOTE]Some but not all clubs charge the girls the Tax. The supposed process is the club then pays a mini. Um tax in the girls name for the days she works. Many clubs took down the daily planner that showed which girls were present because the girls wanted to deny working so many days. The sticking point here was the clubs were supposed to verify the girl had valid registration documents and provide her a receipt for the entry cost so she could deduct it from her earnings.

Reality, the club entry is primarily a cash business and the girls business is primarily cash business, so there is a lot of room to cheat. Lastly, believe me when I tell you there are many police who visit the clubs and they want all the special treatment. Some club owners insist the favorite of the police provide discounted extras for information concerning upcoming police activities. I have been in certain clubs where ash trays are picked up, certain girls and even managers disappear and then the police show up.

Do you guy think there will be a time when the Swedish model on prostitution will not longer be considered when it comes to reforming the laws and die out?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2476637]I thought the law was since July 2017. Manga girl? She likes manga or she looks like a character from manga?

Globe has few German talents, I enjoyed very much and I guess it is partly due to new law pushing these German girls out of Germany to work in Switzerland where you do not need to register as you mentioned.

But I did find many German girls after July 2017 and I am not sure if they registered or not.[/QUOTE]New German law was on 1 July 2017, but registration only on 1 January 2018. Some girls stopped like Daria, some couldn't work anymore in German clubs. Mio. De who looks like a manga girl, who worked at GT, couldn't anymore because she didn't want to register, so she works less than 90 days now at Globe. In Switzerland, no need to register only if you work less than 90 days. On this summer, many German girls moved to Globe, to make money they can t make in Germany, some from NRW, Miss GT 2019 and 1 from Artemis who is the prettiest with much prettier face than Linda. Good point because new Romanians at Globe are lower level than some in other clubs. Maybe Globe tried to find girls who accept to be fucked like pieces of meat in public by frustrated guys who need to try to play porn, but better to have size like in porn.

EL: it was in summer, July or August, the men have to stay outside in the garden and the girls inside, at the end the management gave free champagne for all, I was there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2475074]Which swingers club is the best?

Can you enter by yourself or need a companion? And what's are the rules?[/QUOTE]

Insomnia, Kitkat, Avarus. Mind you in the Swingers club you will need to be EITHER young, fit good looking OR to be lucky. But the club like Insomnia, Kitkat, you will find the most open minded couple, single girl so your chance to get sex are great. Also the cover charge and drink price are resonable. The drink in partiular, it is not a rip off price like you will normally find with ladies drink in the night club.

There is a theme on each day. In some days it is only for couples, young people but in other days it could be that single man of any age is allowed. You will need to find that info on their website or call them before visiting.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476752]No sting operation needed. I believe it was in 2018 in Sharks there was a major police intervention on which I reported in the Sharks thread. The police separated all the men from the women in the club and checked the documentation of everyone. The exercise lasted for many hours.[/QUOTE]I always leave my Passport in the Hotel and never carry it with me. The reason for that is simple, you might get pickpocketed and you will get a Headache.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2476849]Insomnia, Kitkat, Avarus. Mind you in the Swingers club you will need to be EITHER young, fit good looking OR to be lucky. But the club like Insomnia, Kitkat, you will find the most open minded couple, single girl so your chance to get sex are great. Also the cover charge and drink price are resonable. The drink in partiular, it is not a rip off price like you will normally find with ladies drink in the night club.

There is a theme on each day. In some days it is only for couples, young people but in other days it could be that single man of any age is allowed. You will need to find that info on their website or call them before visiting.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, I will hit it up one day. I am too used to FKK stunner quality, so I am bit lazy for any other events, but I am very interested.

One thing about FKK is that I lose interest in other activities in life as FKK is too comfortable LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2476854]I always leave my Passport in the Hotel and never carry it with me. The reason for that is simple, you might get pickpocketed and you will get a Headache.[/QUOTE]The police accepted photos of passport on phone. The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476813]New German law was on 1 July 2017, but registration only on 1 January 2018. Some girls stopped like Daria, some couldn't work anymore in German clubs. Mio. De who looks like a manga girl, who worked at GT, couldn't anymore because she didn't want to register, so she works less than 90 days now at Globe. In Switzerland, no need to register only if you work less than 90 days. On this summer, many German girls moved to Globe, to make money they can t make in Germany, some from NRW, Miss GT 2019 and 1 from Artemis who is the prettiest with much prettier face than Linda. Good point because new Romanians at Globe are lower level than some in other clubs. Maybe Globe tried to find girls who accept to be fucked like pieces of meat in public by frustrated guys who need to try to play porn, but better to have size like in porn.[/QUOTE]So Globe is the place to be for German lover like me then LOL.

Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.

EL: yes of course you can get sex but with girls over 30 or even 40, looking so so, for free yes for sure but sorry I don't fuck those kind of girls.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476917]Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.[/QUOTE]I do have preferences but those are based on ethnicity, age, body type, tit size, skin color and tone, height, etc. I don't think nationality plays a role in that equation for me when it comes to physical appearance and attraction.

Now, nationality sometimes does play a role when it comes to service in large FKKs. That is because the newcomers are influenced by the older WGs in those places hailing from their home countries. That is one reason for the reputed bad service from Romanian hookers. However, in my experience, Rom tutes are not truly different from the club average (because Romies tend to be such a large % of the total that the average for Romies and for the club as a whole are broadly similar).

As far as Germans go, it is not that they are more or less attractive than ROm girls, but much more likely that the more attractive Rom girl from lower / middle class of that country is willing to fuck a bunch of guys for 50 E while the equivalent German girl does not need to. So, in my opinion, the quality of German tutes does not represent German girls to the same extent that Romie tutes in FKK are reflective of Romie girls in total.

That is my theory anyway.

Sexual services are again allowed in German state Thuringia from this Thursday (probably means today), provided that only two people are involved. The state government thus prefers to relax the corona rules in this area. With the first steps of opening brothels, one follows court rulings in other federal states.

https://www.insuedthueringen.de/region/thueringen/thuefwthuedeu/Prostitution-bereits-ab-Donnerstag-wieder-in-Thueringen-erlaubt;art83467,7357612

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476747]You never heard about these sex boats between Stockholm and Tallin, just after new law to prosecute clients. Poor have more risks to be caught when they go to street girls. How do You want I can be caught when I go to escorts in apartments, same for blond Swedish, they are just not caught, don t mean they don t go to prostitutes. I m sure they go, like in other country, and despite law.[/QUOTE]Look,

There are 'no' street girls in Sweden. It's all escorts or the Thai massage parlours. It's illegal, remember? Sure, in Malmö where everyone is immigrant there may be a place where a handful of gypsy women may be working but for at least 99% it's escorts via the internet or Thai massage parlours. Poor immigrants search the internet for escorts and massage parlours just like everyone else. Maybe it's just that the Swedes are smarter and do it when they're on business trips, but they really don't do it at home.

BTW,

There were no sex boats. You mean the normal boats that travel between Sweden and its Eastern neighbours.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476796]Do you guy think there will be a time when the Swedish model on prostitution will not longer be considered when it comes to reforming the laws and die out?[/QUOTE]Why would they change after 10 years with this law?

Feminist women will always fight for poor women unless a group of politician is brave enough to go against the feminists, not for tomorrow.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476917]Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.[/QUOTE]Both agree and disagree. The problem with the German women in the industry is they're so hardened they aren't always so pleasant (or unable to sell the illusion). They also are full of tatoos (which is a negative to me). Whilst many of the Romanians are of the same type many other Romanians are different and more follow traditional standards.

Outside of clubs I find many German women that tick my boxes.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2476971]Both agree and disagree. The problem with the German women in the industry is they're so hardened they aren't always so pleasant (or unable to sell the illusion). They also are full of tatoos (which is a negative to me). Whilst many of the Romanians are of the same type many other Romanians are different and more follow traditional standards.

Outside of clubs I find many German women that tick my boxes.[/QUOTE]Personally, having been a monger in Europe and Asia for almost 20 years (started out of collage on my fist backpacking trip to Europe) I can say that the German women are by far more preferable to me than the Romanian / Bulgarian / Moldovan / etc. I will also throw in the Polish women and Czech women because the two best looking girls, in 20 yrs, were both Polish (tall / natural blond / big blue eyes, big natural breasts).

With great sensual service, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, lots of touching for 50 E. But this was back 14+ years ago at Artemis, which was my first FKK.

Break down of the difference that I see now or 8 months ago when I was in Frankfurt.

1. Very few natural Germans left, still a couple at Palace on the weekends, and maybe 1-2 scattered at other clubs around Frankfurt, but they all gave me shit when I offered my old school rate of 50 E. If you can pull them apart from their little click / group at Palace, when they're all sitting together at the bar, you can get them to go for 50 E BBBJ, but no kissing. But they won't loose face in front of all the other German girls, so don't ask for 50 E service when they are together in a group where they can all listen to you negotiate. Get the girl by herself and you'll have a better chance, especially on a week night when it's slower.

2. Sexually, German / Polish women always used to give me more chemistry and had better figures. Taller, better curves in the right places, nicer smiles, nicer teeth. But this is all subjective of course!

3. Their voices (vocal cords). I can walk into an FKK and hear the Romanian (Eastern Euro) girls immediately. They have higher pitch voices, and sound more annoying to me, but again this is subjective. The German girls have lower more monotone voices, don't yell as much and don't have as much of a whinny sound when speaking. To me, many of the Romanian girls sound whinny when talking and to me it comes across as begging, which many of them do which leads me into my last point.

4. I never had any German girls act like sharks with me, they were always far more polite where as the Romanian girls would bombard me sometimes, pressure me to a room, get pushy and pouty when I declined. Some Romanians and other Easter women actually became rude with me when I declined. I never experienced that ever with German woman. I guess the German women knew they were better and in more demand and didn't have to beg as much. Which says it all.

My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476917]Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.[/QUOTE]I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them. The names of the others I cannot remember but would have reported in Sharks thread at the time. In the times before Sharks opened that is pre-2012 when Oase was my go to FKK there were numerous German providers all of whom gave good service and many of whom were better looking than the Romanian girls. Who remembers Marie at Oase? Real German beauty.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477137]I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them. The names of the others I cannot remember but would have reported in Sharks thread at the time. In the times before Sharks opened that is pre-2012 when Oase was my go to FKK there were numerous German providers all of whom gave good service and many of whom were better looking than the Romanian girls. Who remembers Marie at Oase? Real German beauty.[/QUOTE]Me too, I have the best sexual experiences with German stunners in FKK. They tend to provide me the dirtiest services that I want.

I still go for German stunners more.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2477063]3. Their voices (vocal cords). I can walk into an FKK and hear the Romanian (Eastern Euro) girls immediately. They have higher pitch voices, and sound more annoying to me, but again this is subjective. The German girls have lower more monotone voices, don't yell as much and don't have as much of a whinny sound when speaking. To me, many of the Romanian girls sound whinny when talking and to me it comes across as begging, which many of them do which leads me into my last point.[/QUOTE]Interesting observation about higher pitched voice of Romie girls relative to German girls. Have not thought about it before.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2477063]Personally, having been a monger in Europe and Asia for almost 20 years (started out of collage on my fist backpacking trip to Europe) I can say that the German women are by far more preferable to me than the Romanian / Bulgarian / Moldovan / etc. I will also throw in the Polish women and Czech women because the two best looking girls, in 20 yrs, were both Polish (tall / natural blond / big blue eyes, big natural breasts).

With great sensual service, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, lots of touching for 50 E. But this was back 14+ years ago at Artemis, which was my first FKK.

Break down of the difference that I see now or 8 months ago when I was in Frankfurt.

1. Very few natural Germans left, still a couple at Palace on the weekends, and maybe 1-2 scattered at other clubs around Frankfurt, but they all gave me shit when I offered my old school rate of 50 E. If you can pull them apart from their little click / group at Palace, when they're all sitting together at the bar, you can get them to go for 50 E BBBJ, but no kissing. But they won't loose face in front of all the other German girls, so don't ask for 50 E service when they are together in a group where they can all listen to you negotiate. Get the girl by herself and you'll have a better chance, especially on a week night when it's slower..[/QUOTE]Excellent review and I agree 100 %. Finally someone with good taste, grazie!

[QUOTE=Ararat;2476968]Look,

There are 'no' street girls in Sweden. It's all escorts or the Thai massage parlours. It's illegal, remember? Sure, in Malm where everyone is immigrant there may be a place where a handful of gypsy women may be working but for at least 99% it's escorts via the internet or Thai massage parlours. Poor immigrants search the internet for escorts and massage parlours just like everyone else. Maybe it's just that the Swedes are smarter and do it when they're on business trips, but they really don't do it at home.

BTW,

There were no sex boats. You mean the normal boats that travel between Sweden and its Eastern neighbours.[/QUOTE]About what was called sex boats with guys leaving on boat Stockholm to have paid sex with poor Estonians who took the boat in Tallin to make money, guys drinking and then violent for sex, and we could see Estonian girls complaining after, but never happened of course, but just after law prosecuting clients, then moving in waters out of Sweden, for no prosecution.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477137]I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them. The names of the others I cannot remember but would have reported in Sharks thread at the time. In the times before Sharks opened that is pre-2012 when Oase was my go to FKK there were numerous German providers all of whom gave good service and many of whom were better looking than the Romanian girls. Who remembers Marie at Oase? Real German beauty.[/QUOTE]What about Lena, Slovakia. Do you remember her?

For a beauty and elegance lover like me, had 6 girls for around 50 hours or more, 5 are 100% Romanian and 1 Romanian born, no German. Had few good German girls, but Romanian princesses behavior are so much more interesting, usually better educated than low level German WGs. If FKK land was not mostly Romania, Germans would not work for 50. As say some Germans now at Globe: do You think we kiss for only 50 at GT? German old regulars complain on desk about Romanians but not about Germans, they just pay.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477137]I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them.[/QUOTE]I remember Barbie from Dortmund who worked in Sharks. Really big porno look, big silicone implants, lots of tattoos, sexy legs, great curves, jet black hair.

A great fuck, with zero upselling, and a cool chick to talk to. Unfortunately she completely stopped in this business a few years ago after a brief period of working in GT Brueggen. I was always hoping she would return to Sharks one day.

Oh man, how I miss going to Sharks! Good memories.

I am half German, most of the German girl I met in the FKK are terrible, better not to understand what and how they speak that it is why I never go with them, they really speak like prostitutes, using bad words, showing if not no education but very low one. The only German girl with a good level was Mandy at Shark. I also met a lot of German escorts in Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Munchen, most of them had a good level (escort agencies are making selection) some even college level.

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2477248]What about Lena, Slovakia. Do you remember her?[/QUOTE]As time marches on the girls I've loved before become more misty so I cannot recall a Lena from Solvakia but I do remember German Lena who I first sessioned in 2016 and was surprised to see her physical decline in 2019 but I still went with her for old times sake. I sessioned a remarkable German at Oase in 2009 whose name was Elena. Who remembers Sunny at Oase, tall blonde with the most amazing kegel abilities I've ever experienced, I never failed to climax with her even when drained, and she was not really a good looker.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477246]About what was called sex boats with guys leaving on boat Stockholm to have paid sex with poor Estonians who took the boat in Tallin to make money, guys drinking and then violent for sex, and we could see Estonian girls complaining after, but never happened of course, but just after law prosecuting clients, then moving in waters out of Sweden, for no prosecution.[/QUOTE]Have you witnessed this for yourself? Or hearsay?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2477063]Personally, having been a monger in Europe and Asia for almost 20 years (started out of collage on my fist backpacking trip to Europe) I can say that the German women are by far more preferable to me than the Romanian / Bulgarian / Moldovan / etc. I will also throw in the Polish women and Czech women because the two best looking girls, in 20 yrs, were both Polish (tall / natural blond / big blue eyes, big natural breasts).

With great sensual service, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, lots of touching for 50 E. But this was back 14+ years ago at Artemis, which was my first FKK.

Break down of the difference that I see now or 8 months ago when I was in Frankfurt.

1. Very few natural Germans left, still a couple at Palace on the weekends, and maybe 1-2 scattered at other clubs around Frankfurt, but they all gave me shit when I offered my old school rate of 50 E. If you can pull them apart from their little click / group at Palace, when they're all sitting together at the bar, you can get them to go for 50 E BBBJ, but no kissing. But they won't loose face in front of all the other German girls, so don't ask for 50 E service when they are together in a group where they can all listen to you negotiate. Get the girl by herself and you'll have a better chance, especially on a week night when it's slower.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you say refusing 50 euro rate is sharky? LOL.

I pay 150 euro per one hour and I get excellent service from them or 100 euro for 30 min. Second one is bit too much, first one for me is reasonable, they let me cum twice in one hour.

Having said that, I do remember the golden years when we used to get good BBBJ, DATY, suck tit etc and fuck for just 50 euro or 60 euro for 30 min LOL! Whatta years some of us mongers lived LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477151]Interesting observation about higher pitched voice of Romie girls relative to German girls. Have not thought about it before.[/QUOTE]It is true! And if you listen to them when they speak Romanian the pitch is even higher and the speed unbelievable!

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476917]Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.[/QUOTE]I love Romanian beauties with princess behavior, they are so much more elegant and interesting as woman than German WGs.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476796]Do you guy think there will be a time when the Swedish model on prostitution will not longer be considered when it comes to reforming the laws and die out?[/QUOTE]It is only gaining traction here. Spreading with the declared "feminist government agenda".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476882]The police accepted photos of passport on phone. The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp.[/QUOTE]
Good to here this. Thanks for this info.

I always have the Scanned ID page of my passporty in my mobile phone.

Would you please elaborate about this "The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp" ?

I have an EU passposrt, so I never get my passport stamped by the police when entering Germany would it be a problem ??

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476813]New German law was on 1 July 2017, but registration only on 1 January 2018. Some girls stopped like Daria, some couldn't work anymore in German clubs. Mio. De who looks like a manga girl, who worked at GT, couldn't anymore because she didn't want to register, so she works less than 90 days now at Globe. In Switzerland, no need to register only if you work less than 90 days. On this summer, many German girls moved to Globe, to make money they can t make in Germany, some from NRW, Miss GT 2019 and 1 from Artemis who is the prettiest with much prettier face than Linda. Good point because new Romanians at Globe are lower level than some in other clubs. Maybe Globe tried to find girls who accept to be fucked like pieces of meat in public by frustrated guys who need to try to play porn, but better to have size like in porn.[/QUOTE]I think they could always find their way around not to register. They could just keep rotating working from one FKK to another FKK within 90 days. Doing this they will not get detected of how many days they have been working in a year.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476409]Scandinavian men born in and growing up in their respective countries do not need the services of prostitutes. Scandinavian women give in to sex with their men very easily. When I visited Denmark and Sweden in 1992 I found the women so very friendly and easy to ask out on a date. In Denmark a young beautiful 18 year old girl who I never thought would have been friendly with me went on a date with me. I met her at a swimming pool complex where she was with her younger sister. Scandinavian women are super friendly.[/QUOTE]The main points of paying for sex is that you get the girls who are very hard (if still possible at all) to get through normal dating. Think about a grandpa in their 50's 60's could they still get teenagers, girl in their 20's without paying?? In FKK club, Brothels, RLD you could easily see a reasonable number of men in in their 50's 60's or even 70's get hooked up with young girls.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2477379]I think they could always find their way around not to register. They could just keep rotating working from one FKK to another FKK within 90 days. Doing this they will not get detected of how many days they have been working in a year.[/QUOTE]Less than 90 days is for Switzerland, not in Germany. Not registered = no number for work, even being German were refused at GT or other clubs. They could work in NL or maybe at Vanila on private. Usually German WGs follow rules, even some didn't want to work at GT. They didn't want everything for only 50 with old fat uglies.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477276]As time marches on the girls I've loved before become more misty so I cannot recall a Lena from Solvakia but I do remember German Lena who I first sessioned in 2016 and was surprised to see her physical decline in 2019 but I still went with her for old times sake. I sessioned a remarkable German at Oase in 2009 whose name was Elena. Who remembers Sunny at Oase, tall blonde with the most amazing kegel abilities I've ever experienced, I never failed to climax with her even when drained, and she was not really a good looker.[/QUOTE]Where did you last see German Lena in 2019? I thought she had stopped working when she left Sharks.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2476970]Why would they change after 10 years with this law?

Feminist women will always fight for poor women unless a group of politician is brave enough to go against the feminists, not for tomorrow.[/QUOTE]More like 21 years now. I could think of couple of reasons like increased violence and crime against working girls, demands from sex worker groups to improve their lives, not achieving the goal of eradicating prostitution etc. If the so called "feminists" cared about poor women, they would call for prostitution to be made legal or decriminalized.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2477375]Good to here this. Thanks for this info.

I always have the Scanned ID page of my passporty in my mobile phone.

Would you please elaborate about this "The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp" ?

I have an EU passposrt, so I never get my passport stamped by the police when entering Germany would it be a problem ??[/QUOTE]I can only speak with certainty for myself not being from the EU. I would guess that for EU citizens a photo of the ID page only would suffice.

EL: for me you should have a passport from 1 cointry in Europe, not an EU passport, scanned passport is no more enough since the covid outbreak, it depends on the boarder but the controls can be very strict.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2477375]I have an EU passposrt, so I never get my passport stamped by the police when entering Germany would it be a problem ??[/QUOTE]No, of of course it's not a problem!

When within the Schengen Area, no need for stamps in passports.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477389]Less than 90 days is for Switzerland, not in Germany. Not registered = no number for work, even being German were refused at GT or other clubs. They could work in NL or maybe at Vanila on private. Usually German WGs follow rules, even some didn't want to work at GT. They didn't want everything for only 50 with old fat uglies.[/QUOTE]So these germane working girls went to globe to work because YY is closed now in Holland.

Some people say it's registration, but the phenomenon of Eastern European sex workers working in DACH countries in large numbers has been going for years before the 2017 reform, mainly due to cheap labor and location. German women seem to be found mainly in escort advertising, agencies, massage parlors, high-end brothels, and some FKKs based on past research. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2476917] don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.[/QUOTE]100%. Romanians are over represented in FKK, so Is hard to pay some attention to them sometimes.

It seems this FKK has re-opened, with some limitations: [URL]http://www.fkk-paradies.eu/index.php?article_id=2&clang=0[/URL].

May this be the first of many!

Rock.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2477390]Where did you last see German Lena in 2019? I thought she had stopped working when she left Sharks.[/QUOTE]I met German Lena in Sharks in April, 2019, she did not stay long. She deteriorated badly in looks compared to when I met her in 2016.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2477528]Some people say it's registration, but the phenomenon of Eastern European sex workers working in DACH countries in large numbers has been going for years before the 2017 reform, mainly due to cheap labor and location. German women seem to be found mainly in escort advertising, agencies, massage parlors, high-end brothels, and some FKKs based on past research. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.

[URL]https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html[/URL]

I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK. I suppose that a high volume of sex transactions can produce a decent amount of revenue, but there are some obvious disadvantages to that. And she has a cost to traveling to the FKK every day, unlike the Romanians who can live at a nearby facility (which would be less comfortable and enjoyable than the escort's typical apartment).

This is always an issue everywhere. Every once in a while on the LOS Angeles threads of message boards, someone would say, to a participating high-priced non-Korean call girl, that her rates are ridiculously higher than incall prices of shared trick-pad ladies in L. A. 's Koreatown neighborhood. Her response would usually be Feel Free to go to Koreatown, then. Sometimes it was less polite than that, though.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477624]I met German Lena in Sharks in April, 2019, she did not stay long. She deteriorated badly in looks compared to when I met her in 2016.[/QUOTE]That's sad to hear. I wasn't in Sharks in April last year, so I must have missed her by a few days.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2477554]100%. Romanians are over represented in FKK, so Is hard to pay some attention to them sometimes.[/QUOTE]Yes but they are chic, classy and elegant women with a lot of charm and more important they don't look like prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2477627]Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.

[URL]https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html[/URL]

I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK.[/QUOTE]What are the chances that your prototype lady actually looks like the photos in the ads? I don't so much miss the looks of the regular non pornstar looking German girls but rather the "deal is a deal" mentality that they had.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2477627]Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.

[URL]https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html[/URL]

I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK. I suppose that a high volume of sex transactions can produce a decent amount of revenue, but there are some obvious disadvantages to that. And she has a cost to traveling to the FKK every day, unlike the Romanians who can live at a nearby facility (which would be less comfortable and enjoyable than the escort's typical apartment).

This is always an issue everywhere. Every once in a while on the LOS Angeles threads of message boards, someone would say, to a participating high-priced non-Korean call girl, that her rates are ridiculously higher than incall prices of shared trick-pad ladies in L. A. 's Koreatown neighborhood. Her response would usually be Feel Free to go to Koreatown, then. Sometimes it was less polite than that, though.[/QUOTE]Agree. There is a market clearance price for each participant but that price is not the same for every participant. 50 E is a sufficient amount for the average Rom girl to fuck and suck, at least in a bored, perfunctory way. It is not a sufficient amount for the average German girl. Hence, the average Rom girl would be more represented at the FKK. Since the price is fixed at 50 E, the only German girls who are in the clubs are those that happen to be less than average of all German girls out there.

I have not mongered in Dubai, but does the average White girl charge a lot higher than the average Thai or Hispanic or African girl? Of course all of them are imports. I suspect there is no average true Arab / local girl - or at least not many. I also would think a true local beauty that is a fully native blooded Arab with long term Arab roots could command a significant premium; even higher than an average White import as the true local WG beauties would be so rare in Dubai. Again, this is my guess, no idea if that is the case indeed.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477697]What are the chances that your prototype lady actually looks like the photos in the ads? I don't so much miss the looks of the regular non pornstar looking German girls but rather the "deal is a deal" mentality that they had.[/QUOTE]From my experience when choosing a girl from an agency, you have 60 % chances she look worse and 15 % she looks even better. The remaining 25 % is what you see.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477699]I have not mongered in Dubai, but does the average White girl charge a lot higher than the average Thai or Hispanic or African girl? Of course all of them are imports. I suspect there is no average true Arab / local girl - or at least not many. I also would think a true local beauty that is a fully native blooded Arab with long term Arab roots could command a significant premium; even higher than an average White import as the true local WG beauties would be so rare in Dubai. Again, this is my guess, no idea if that is the case indeed.[/QUOTE]I have mongered in Dubai. The hottest, white, Russian girls got away with charging more. More than Filipinas, Chinese, and Ethiopians. Arab and Turk girls to be found also were at the higher end. That was my experience anyway. Overall, Dubai is the second most expensive mongering destination I have ever been to. Switzerland was number one for high costs.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2477704]I have mongered in Dubai. The hottest, white, Russian girls got away with charging more. More than Filipinas, Chinese, and Ethiopians. Arab and Turk girls to be found also were at the higher end. That was my experience anyway. Overall, Dubai is the second most expensive mongering destination I have ever been to. Switzerland was number one for high costs.[/QUOTE]Anal cost you high baby LOL! But they take you higher LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477367]I love Romanian beauties with princess behavior, they are so much more elegant and interesting as woman than German WGs.[/QUOTE]When not many clubs are open, I found a really pretty German girl, she is the prettiest at Globe and also the most elegant, with chic care for look yesterday. When she is told to be unreachable, I didn't have problem on our first times on her first tour, welcoming, always lovely and even more interesting than average, rare for me for a German, but yesterday, after 1 month, on my way back from holidays, I gave up because body is exhausted to anemia, so I gave up on my 3 last climbing and after 18 kms in Prato Stelvio when only 6 kms to the top 2758 high, but I was 10 mn late so I preferred to give up because couldn't make a good time, same twice in la Bonette 2802 high, starting under 37 degrees, losing too much body water, wish will make fresh strength for next week end to return, so I decided to recover at Globe, but my German girl had bookings, I never book girls because I want they come to me, this wake up my desire, fortunately fast bookings, when some guys sometimes book for 5 hours, she told me we would have time to meet, we did, she was really chic look, lovely as always when we were together, a real toy in bed with no doubt for 2 real orgasmus, holding my arms while fucking her, real pleasure for sex with little volcano even she told me twice was enough and too sensitive now when I wanted to go to give her a third and she knows her clit can t resist, but I saw the German WG at work for first time, even she was lovely as always, but new image of her, when she is really pretty and the prettiest face at Globe, but I saw for first her defaults on her look, and not anymore interesting for me even a real pleasure for sex and even interesting to talk, we talked about her look, her care for look, her height and weight, fake information on Globe girls profiles, and even about pregnancy. I should make a stop on my way to return to Prato Stelvio, she told me when she would finish her tour and she will work on next week end, but I m not able to run after girls after discovery, not interesting for my desire, I prefer they come to me like most do to repeat, so I won t repeat to be between reservations and I know, even Romanians at Globe now are not high level, but when I need only 1 girl, I have to find a Romanian beauty because they are not so much at work than most of Germans. I prefer behavior and image, even more than a beautiful German cumming in bed, but I don t regret our times, when she is lovely, but I felt our limit together, when Romanians are more able to follow and improve for me. A Romanian beauty with a bit of elegance is so much more interesting as woman than German WGs at work, for my desire.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2477627]Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.

[URL]https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html[/URL]

I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK. I suppose that a high volume of sex transactions can produce a decent amount of revenue, but there are some obvious disadvantages to that. And she has a cost to traveling to the FKK every day, unlike the Romanians who can live at a nearby facility (which would be less comfortable and enjoyable than the escort's typical apartment).

This is always an issue everywhere. Every once in a while on the LOS Angeles threads of message boards, someone would say, to a participating high-priced non-Korean call girl, that her rates are ridiculously higher than incall prices of shared trick-pad ladies in L. A. 's Koreatown neighborhood. Her response would usually be Feel Free to go to Koreatown, then. Sometimes it was less polite than that, though.[/QUOTE]When you know a bit about women, when you had in your life, you know 59 kgs for 173 is really not slim for Fiona, and for sure not xx small size, and for both you don't see their face, so I'm pretty sure I will find prettier Romanians in brothels, even pretty ones are rare for me, than these 2 girls in real. Mostly fake photos or photoshop compare to reality. In Paris, when the girl who open the door is not the girl on photo, I show her photo, if she doesn't call her pretty twin really looking like on photo, then I leave. I left quite often.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477840]When not many clubs are open, I found a really pretty German girl, she is the prettiest at Globe and also the most elegant, with chic care for look yesterday. When she is told to be unreachable, I didn't have problem on our first times on her first tour, welcoming, always lovely and even more interesting than average, rare for me for a German, but yesterday, after 1 month, on my way back from holidays, I gave up because body is exhausted to anemia, so I gave up on my 3 last climbing and after 18 kms in Prato Stelvio when only 6 kms to the top 2758 high, but I was 10 mn late so I preferred to give up because couldn't make a good time, same twice in la Bonette 2802 high, starting under 37 degrees, losing too much body water, wish will make fresh strength for next week end to return, so I decided to recover at Globe, but my German girl had bookings, I never book girls because I want they come to me, this wake up my desire, fortunately fast bookings, when some guys sometimes book for 5 hours, she told me we would have time to meet, we did, she was really chic look, lovely as always when we were together, a real toy in bed with no doubt for 2 real orgasmus, holding my arms while fucking her, real pleasure for sex with little volcano even she told me twice was enough and too sensitive now when I wanted to go to give her a third and she knows her clit can t resist, but I saw the German WG at work for first time, even she was lovely as always, but new image of her, when she is really pretty and the prettiest face at Globe, but I saw for first her defaults on her look, and not anymore interesting for me even a real pleasure for sex and even interesting to talk, we talked about her look, her care for look, her height and weight, fake information on Globe girls profiles, and even about pregnancy. I should make a stop on my way to return to Prato Stelvio, she told me when she would finish her tour and she will work on next week end, but I m not able to run after girls after discovery, not interesting for my desire, I prefer they come to me like most do to repeat, so I won t repeat to be between reservations and I know, even Romanians at Globe now are not high level, but when I need only 1 girl, I have to find a Romanian beauty because they are not so much at work than most of Germans..[/QUOTE]I will kindly ask you to use paragraph. I had a headache when I finished reading. I really like reading your posts but they confuse me so much some times. No offence please!

To the point: Romanians and elegance? You must be joking right?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477843]When you know a bit about women, when you had in your life, you know 59 kgs for 173 is really not slim for Fiona, and for sure not xx small size, and for both you don't see their face, so I'm pretty sure I will find prettier Romanians in brothels, even pretty ones are rare for me, than these 2 girls in real. Mostly fake photos or photoshop compare to reality. In Paris, when the girl who open the door is not the girl on photo, I show her photo, if she doesn't call her pretty twin really looking like on photo, then I leave. I left quite often.[/QUOTE]I was not asserting that the German escorts who are advertising, and who are favorably reviewed on other boards, are providing a superior performance than ladies at FKKs, nor was I providing assurance that they look like their pictures. I was simply stating that there are other markets within Germany that have a greater percentage of advertisements for German women, at relatively higher prices. Of course some ads are fake, but most aren't. It seems to often by stated on this thread that few German women work in the sex industry, but as Baltix pointed out, that may not be true. They may instead choose to work as private escorts or in high-end brothels. There are many reviews of German escorts on review boards more oriented to escorts than to clubs.

Brothels in Berlin will open September 1.

Any news about when FKK / Sauna-clubs in Dusseldorf and Frankfurt will open?

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2478184]Brothels in Berlin will open September 1.

Any news about when FKK / Sauna-clubs in Dusseldorf and Frankfurt will open?[/QUOTE]It does not look likely, I am reading in papers today that the covid19 rates are increasing and NRW is considering additional restrictions.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2477921]I will kindly ask you to use paragraph. I had a headache when I finished reading. I really like reading your posts but they confuse me so much some times. No offence please!

To the point: Romanians and elegance? You must be joking right?[/QUOTE]From my weekly, on week ends, for nearly 8 years, experiences, meaning much more than 1000 rooms, all over FKK land, my 6 around or more than 50 hours in room are all Romanian or Romanian born, for a beauty and elegance lover like me. I saw only very few elegant German WGs and even German women can't compete with Russians for elegance, but I had real elegant Romanians for who I drove more than 1000 kms weekly for months. I followed a elegant Romanian from Sharks after only 1 wow room to Globe where she was busy superstar but always did welcome me: I know how You treat me, she said. Globe busy superstar, I was only a tramp in her Globe, 2500 per day, business, but I was her first choice and she was jealous, looking at what I did, even she was busy. I discovered her on April 2016 at Sharks, found her on July 2016 at Globe and I remember on August 2018, when she told me: You found a new GF, about Sofia. Ro, after she was jealous about Larissa. Ro, when she didn't need because she was my first choice, but I'm sure she would have preferred only her. Romanians are so much more interesting as woman than Germans. I was happy on this Summer because I found a real German beauty and even elegant, the prettiest at Globe, sweet, lovely and more interesting to talk than average, and a real toy to make cum in bed, even on late night after a busy day, she can't resist, orgasmic beauty, but she doesn't have mystery and charm of some Romanians, even she was always really lovely with me, but too much at work, even she never rush.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2477310]Wouldn't you say refusing 50 euro rate is sharky? LOL.

I pay 150 euro per one hour and I get excellent service from them or 100 euro for 30 min. Second one is bit too much, first one for me is reasonable, they let me cum twice in one hour.

Having said that, I do remember the golden years when we used to get good BBBJ, DATY, suck tit etc and fuck for just 50 euro or 60 euro for 30 min LOL! Whatta years some of us mongers lived LOL![/QUOTE]You pay $150/ HR! It all depends on what you want and how many times you want to cum.

For me I need 20 min. Just a couple of minutes of BBBJ until I'm hard and then a couple positions until I cum. That's it for me!

I don't want to come again with that same girl. I just want out of the room to the shower and then food or sauna or.

$60 was the high price (Artemis). Oh those glory days back around 2005-12.

I still get the 50 E service wherever I can, usually now without kissing. And if you stick with Dusseldorf and Cologne there are lots of Turkish clubs that are 30 E entrance and 30 E FS including BBBJ without kissing. But I like to sneak one or two in. Haha!

Makes me all teary eyed.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2478384]You pay $150/ HR! It all depends on what you want and how many times you want to cum.

For me I need 20 min. Just a couple of minutes of BBBJ until I'm hard and then a couple positions until I cum. That's it for me!

I don't want to come again with that same girl. I just want out of the room to the shower and then food or sauna or.

$60 was the high price (Artemis). Oh those glory days back around 2005-12.

I still get the 50 E service wherever I can, usually now without kissing. And if you stick with Dusseldorf and Cologne there are lots of Turkish clubs that are 30 E entrance and 30 E FS including BBBJ without kissing. But I like to sneak one or two in. Haha!

Makes me all teary eyed.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I miss those days too man. Even though I am not into threesome, I used to just go to room with girls to room as it only costed me 60 euro times two, 120 euro! Now it is more if I want BBBJ and threesome.

I miss those handy days of BBBJ and fuck too, we used to live like king during those days LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2477840]When not many clubs are open, I found a really pretty German girl, she is the prettiest at Globe and also the most elegant, with chic care for look yesterday. When she is told to be unreachable, I didn't have problem on our first times on her first tour, welcoming, always lovely and even more interesting than average, rare for me for a German, but yesterday, after 1 month, on my way back from holidays, I gave up because body is exhausted to anemia, so I gave up on my 3 last climbing and after 18 kms in Prato Stelvio when only 6 kms to the top 2758 high, but I was 10 mn late so I preferred to give up because couldn't make a good time, same twice in la Bonette 2802 high, starting under 37 degrees, losing too much body water, wish will make fresh strength for next week end to return, so I decided to recover at Globe, but my German girl had bookings, I never book girls because I want they come to me, this wake up my desire, fortunately fast bookings, when some guys sometimes book for 5 hours, she told me we would have time to meet, we did, she was really chic look, lovely as always when we were together, a real toy in bed with no doubt for 2 real orgasmus, holding my arms while fucking her, real pleasure for sex with little volcano even she told me twice was enough and too sensitive now when I wanted to go to give her a third and she knows her clit can t resist, but I saw the German WG at work for first time, even she was lovely as always, but new image of her, when she is really pretty and the prettiest face at Globe, but I saw for first her defaults on her look, and not anymore interesting for me even a real pleasure for sex and even interesting to talk, we talked about her look, her care for look, her height and weight, fake information on Globe girls profiles, and even about pregnancy. I.[/QUOTE]Siri, you are making me fly to Zurich LOL Switzerland and EU nations do not quarantine me to enter, but when I come back to Tokyo from abroad, my own government will quarantine me for 14 days among other restrictions LOL! So I do not want to go till that restriction is over.

So it looks like Artemis will be allowed to open on Tuesday as the message is still on their website No news about other states?

Does anyone know when Samya will re open, I am traveling to Cologne in November and don't want it to be a wasted trip. If the club has still not reopened I may have to look for the street girls.

EL: the situation is getting worse and worse in Europe again the countries are closing their boarders, Hungary the 1st of September, Austria also. For me 2020 is not the year to monger in Europe, I am sure that the LU are and will be bad.

I repeat it again I am waiting 2021 or may be latter.

EL: yes very good idea at least you will have no risk to get sick. Advice you to control your libido and testosterone, you will be so happier. It is not the right time to monger, but so many guys are sex addict.

Please tell me how often you had a Infection with Sars in the last few Week's since the brothels reopened?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479052]EL: the situation is getting worse and worse in Europe again the countries are closing their boarders, Hungary the 1st of September, Austria also. For me 2020 is not the year to monger in Europe, I am sure that the LU are and will be bad.

I repeat it again I am waiting 2021 or may be latter.[/QUOTE]I had pretty and interesting girls since reopening. Life learned me not to anymore delay to tomorrow, because maybe never tomorrow, and nothing about virus, when I clean my lungs with my sports in my mountains, staying fit as say girls.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;2479034]Does anyone know when Samya will re open, I am traveling to Cologne in November and don't want it to be a wasted trip. If the club has still not reopened I may have to look for the street girls.[/QUOTE]I keep in touch with one regular girl there and she tells me that management does not plan on opening in 2020.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479091]I keep in touch with one regular girl there and she tells me that management does not plan on opening in 2020.[/QUOTE]I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.

I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.

EL: does it mean there are no woman to date in the US, obviously not, I worked in Syracuse and it was possible to have normal relation with woman, of course you need to put more efforts than putting 50 euro on the table.

[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;2479034]Does anyone know when Samya will re open, I am traveling to Cologne in November and don't want it to be a wasted trip. If the club has still not reopened I may have to look for the street girls.[/QUOTE]Like for any brothel in Germany, when Finca and Hells couldn t open and let s see for Artemis, when Germany will allow. Some privates are open in Saarland but not Paradise Saarbrucken, for sex with mask. Really high level, just to empty balls, but maybe less difficult to find a attractive one, because sexy bodies are more numerous than pretty faces.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2479160]I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.[/QUOTE]I believe Sauna Clubs as we know the will remIn closed, but will somewhat return to their roots. I have been inside an early club. It was a house of a well to do local, had a bar built in and they had a few women that worked. There were human fluffy swings, a beer fridge, a hot grill and some rooms and bandage materials. This guy had parties, his friends and friends of friends stopped by. That is how a lot of Germans will address this. It sucks for the non local or tourist because they won't be allowed in. It brings back memories of the now defunct flat rate clubs. Then again, if you a running illegally you may as well use a well known model.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2479160]I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.[/QUOTE]You are being too kind. USA isn't a black hole. It's a sexual Puritan hellhole. But we must stay positive LOL. Stick with your path and purpose, pursue excellence, and look forward to more glorious days to come in FKK land in 2021.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2479294]You are being too kind. USA isn't a black hole. It's a sexual Puritan hellhole. But we must stay positive LOL. Stick with your path and purpose, pursue excellence, and look forward to more glorious days to come in FKK land in 2021.[/QUOTE]Let me just say, the new generation of 20 somethings are much more sex happy than my generation a decade ago. Then again, maybe it is the loneliness of semi-quarantine that makes girls hornier or perhaps that I am older and am more direct. Girls seem to be more willing to put out than I remember.

As for pro and semi pro girls, my friend has been hitting up the sugarbabies scene here and he's getting incall visits for $200-$400. Met the $200 one when I was hanging out at his place and she was a solid 7/10.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2479294]You are being too kind. USA isn't a black hole. It's a sexual Puritan hellhole. But we must stay positive LOL. Stick with your path and purpose, pursue excellence, and look forward to more glorious days to come in FKK land in 2021.[/QUOTE]But you have porn valley CA, to dream about sex, even not sex.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2478727]So it looks like Artemis will be allowed to open on Tuesday as the message is still on their website No news about other states?[/QUOTE]I have to say, still really surprised that Artemis is the first to reopen. It hasn't really got any of the factors some other clubs have that would lower the rate of infection. It's large, mostly indoors, and in a big city and travel hub. Makes me very skeptical that the reopening will last for long. Though I guess we'll get some reports in the coming week. I hope I'm wrong, that everything goes fine, and it leads to other FKKs reopening too. But I just can't see it until there's at least some sort of vaccine produced and started getting distributed. Probably start of next year at the earliest.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2479360]As for pro and semi pro girls, my friend has been hitting up the sugarbabies scene here and he's getting incall visits for $200-$400. Met the $200 one when I was hanging out at his place and she was a solid 7/10.[/QUOTE]Mursenary,

What part of country is that?

As for guys is their 20's being happy, not so sure about that. Although I am sure they are having much less sex than generations before.

Buddy in 20's that I have is telling me it used to be 80/20, 20 percent of the guys getting all the girls, now its 95/5. I totally agree with it.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479200]EL: does it mean there are no woman to date in the US, obviously not, I worked in Syracuse and it was possible to have normal relation with woman, of course you need to put more efforts than putting 50 euro on the table.[/QUOTE]Married. Working from home. Too much hassle. Like our good friend Clodius says, waiting for the glorious day to be sitting at the departure gate to Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2479263]I believe Sauna Clubs as we know the will remIn closed, but will somewhat return to their roots. I have been inside an early club. It was a house of a well to do local, had a bar built in and they had a few women that worked. There were human fluffy swings, a beer fridge, a hot grill and some rooms and bandage materials. This guy had parties, his friends and friends of friends stopped by. That is how a lot of Germans will address this. It sucks for the non local or tourist because they won't be allowed in. It brings back memories of the now defunct flat rate clubs. Then again, if you a running illegally you may as well use a well known model.[/QUOTE]Greetings Chongmal. I haven't visited flat rate clubs, but what you write reminds me of good old days at Bernds. What a wonderful place on earth it was 5-7 years ago.

EL: it is exactly what I am saying for a long time, the US scene is not that bad, possible to meet sexy girls (happened to me) and not more expensive than travelling to Europe, paying all the different expenses, loosing a lot of time. And on top of that I am sure that the girls in the US are so much over fucked like the girls in the German FKK.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2479216]Like for any brothel in Germany, when Finca and Hells couldn t open and let s see for Artemis, when Germany will allow. Some privates are open in Saarland but not Paradise Saarbrucken, for sex with mask. Really high level, just to empty balls, but maybe less difficult to find a attractive one, because sexy bodies are more numerous than pretty faces.[/QUOTE]Do you know why Paradise is still closed?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2479490]Do you know why Paradise is still closed?[/QUOTE]Paradise Sarrebrucken planned to open during August, but not allowed yet. If they had allowance, they would be open. NRW is not in good situation about virus. I wait if Artemis will really open in 2 days or even later. But You have Austria, even Wellcum don t worth to pay a trip, but maybe GT and Vienna always worth. 2 very attractive escorts in Paris for me, when I will be back from my mountains on mid week.

[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2479403]Mursenary,

What part of country is that?

As for guys is their 20's being happy, not so sure about that. Although I am sure they are having much less sex than generations before.

Buddy in 20's that I have is telling me it used to be 80/20, 20 percent of the guys getting all the girls, now its 95/5. I totally agree with it.[/QUOTE]That was in Tampa FL. I'd imagine that the rates elsewhere outside of northeastern and west coast USA to be similar.

I just meant that girls in their 20's seem to be more willing to jump into bed than they did 10-15 years ago. That is obviously a very subjective statement though. You might be right with the dwindling ratios though, but again, I notice that on average, young guys in the US seem to be less sexually aggressive than my generation.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2479539]Paradise Sarrebrucken planned to open during August, but not allowed yet. If they had allowance, they would be open. NRW is not in good situation about virus. I wait if Artemis will really open in 2 days or even later. But You have Austria, even Wellcum don t worth to pay a trip, but maybe GT and Vienna always worth. 2 very attractive escorts in Paris for me, when I will be back from my mountains on mid week.[/QUOTE]But the smarts of us then realize that there is something or someone at Wellcum that either has turned you down, or tried to scam you in one way or another. Because Wellcum really is a fantastic club with hands down the best food in an FKK ever. The best saunas (except Sharks saunamaster ritual), and the best views outside. Even the girls there right now seems to be of hood standard. Sure it has seen better days during the 5-6 years since the club opened, but there are girls in that lineup any man with a cock would fuck. Unless being told no. And I see how that can ruin a nights stay.

I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?

Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2479593]I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?

Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?[/QUOTE]In my opinion, visually, the highest tier strip clubs in the US are on par with the highest tier FKK line ups. That however will vary from city to city. In Las Vegas, the mecca of strip club cities, girls at Spearmint Rhino were on average hotter than the average Sharks girl. There were definitely more stunners too. As for sex? I think you'll get denied more often than not but I'm sure there's a tipping point for the right price. I think looking for paid sex in strip clubs is financially wasteful but not impossible, it definitely happens. However, top tier girls would entertain the idea if the number quoted started at a thousand USD while 500 USD might get you in the door for negotiations. Of course it varies with geography and club clientelle. 200 USD is possible for some mid tier girls in trashy clubs.

My thoughts is that if sex is your primary mission, strip clubs are highly inefficient, both for time and money invested. Instead, I have been going on a weekly basis, approaching the clubs like a neighborhood bar while just socializing, drinking, and being a little liberal with spending money on dances (Girls are there to work and make money after all). That being said, having built up repoire, I've hung out with one girl outside of the club recently, no sex, while my strip club buddy has paid for sex with 2 mid level girls, $300 each. But that took him a few visits chatting up the girls and bargaining them down. Factoring in all of the bar tabs, paying for $10 dances, and tipping hundreds of $1 bills on stage, he probably spend $2 K-$3 K in strip clubs in one month and getting sex twice. Bad economics for mongering if you don't value the social time spent in a strip club drinking with friends and naked girls.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2479593]I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?

Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?[/QUOTE]To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.

To correct and clarify a few things:

There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.

Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.

My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.

You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2479593]I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?

Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?[/QUOTE]I am from Seattle, Washington State and I have been to 5-6 strip clubs regularly (before I know about FKK). Girls varies in terms of looks and services. Some very good looking young girls are there but they do not usually stay for the long term since they want some quick money and then quit the job. The ones who work there for a long term are usually in their 30-40's. The clubs at downtown area (Deja vu, dreamgirls) have some very good looking girls. Prices also vary from girls to girls even within the same club. Back in 2012-2013, it is $20 a lap dance with some touching (usually butts) but now it is $30-50 for a lap dance with touching. Some girls offer something like $100/3 dances with touching and handjob. The VIP session is where the fun happens. I had sex 2 times in the VIP room (one was $300/ half hour, one was $200/15 minutes). I took two stripper home (after seeing them 4-5 times in the strip club) and it was much better: no rush and you feel comfortable since nobody is watching you. $200/ hour for one girl and $300 an hour for the other girl.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2479617]To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.

To correct and clarify a few things:

There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.

Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.

My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.

You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.[/QUOTE]Steve you're inbox is full BTW.

Good overview of the club scene. I knew Palamino was grandfathered to sell alcohol with nude dancers but didn't know about touching rules being different. I would add that if you hit a top strip club like Rhino in Vegas at prime time (late night weekends) only the hottest girls are allowed working until the 3 AM shift of thicker girls start arriving (the clubs are open 24 hours/day). The hottest girls are a younger age group and MUCH hotter overall than the Sharks and Oase lineups and are called "9 o'clock girls" because they are allowed to work that best shift (IMO and depending on your taste of course).

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2479408]Married. Working from home. Too much hassle. Like our good friend Clodius says, waiting for the glorious day to be sitting at the departure gate to Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]Sounds like we are cut from a similar cloth. Yes, the 80/20 rule is narrowing to 90/10. Social media provides women with endless free validation and fuels their six 6's fantasy. Online competition is too fierce, much better to focus on street game for civi's. At least until this virus fiasco. Now I focus on my path to excellence, gather more bank, improve my Deutsch, and ready to pounce post-vaccine. Be well mein bruder.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2479617]To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.

To correct and clarify a few things:

There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.

Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.

My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.

You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.[/QUOTE]What stops American entrepreneur to open maybe not the same, but similar set up as FKK in USA? Legal restriction? But I thought in Nevada and some states, prostitution is legal, so something similar to FKK set up can be done if some entrepreneur is brave as Larryflynt.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2479586]But the smarts of us then realize that there is something or someone at Wellcum that either has turned you down, or tried to scam you in one way or another. Because Wellcum really is a fantastic club with hands down the best food in an FKK ever. The best saunas (except Sharks saunamaster ritual), and the best views outside. Even the girls there right now seems to be of hood standard. Sure it has seen better days during the 5-6 years since the club opened, but there are girls in that lineup any man with a cock would fuck. Unless being told no. And I see how that can ruin a nights stay.[/QUOTE]I always wrote best view from the garden, but I always told You, after about 15 visits since 2016, except for exceptional Lena. Ro on August 2017, I would not drive for Wellcum, fortunately 1 hour from Zoncolan, and no more Marina and Andiamo closed, so my restaurant to prepare, but I really regret Andiamo was not open because I found more interesting girls in 2016 and 3 in 2019. Maybe because I m not Italian, but real lack of natural beauties, of charm and elegance, with some girls telling: I don't kiss because of corona, but I can suck You good, meaning BBBJ for standard, or good massage, I don t care about massage, I don t pay for this. Fortunately, when I really didn't run to her when I saw her and quite average discovery, but Anna became charming after and even didn't think to repeat, but after turning around like a lion for about 12 hours on Saturday 15 August and couldn t find any attractive girl not trying to fuck me like Nika and her friend and anal fantasy, when she would have cried calling her mother, or another not kissing but sucking good even she was friendly, so no other choice than Anna who really improved even she was busy whole Saturday and tired, but when I told her we had to be fast because we went in room at 00.30 am, she answered: no rush, we can finish after closing at 1 am and we did. On Sunday, again big rain, so returned to eat diner, and same and again only improving again Anna who did worth for me for her lovely and charming behavior for me, under cold behavior when I looked at her on Thursday when she was not busy, many guys went to speak with her but not going to room. 3 visits and 1 in July, only Anna was doable, Karla was higher level in July but not there on my August visits. For my mind and dick, Wellcum fell to low level for casting and foods also fell a bit. My visiting experiences, but I know I m much more demanding than others, from my past real life. On this Summer, I was happy because found a charming well mannered beauty at Globe, unfortunately she became German WG at work, working geriatric with ugly grandfather for hours, so charm gone. Next one, even she was orgasmic in bed, and beauties are rare, but I want a beauty who will to make free for my behavior, only this profile interest me to pay for.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2479617]Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US. You will easily drop $400+ in a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.[/QUOTE]I have heard a lot about the Detroit strip clubs from another member of this site who frequents Thailand a lot. I don't know how things are now, but for me the best American strip clubs for "hanky panky" I have ever been to were located in San Francisco. I'm talking hand jobs, BJs, kissing, and FS. And even some S&M! The best of those clubs, now closed, was the notorious Market Street Cinema. They would often feature a porn star, and I would say that roughly half the girls (some of them wanting to be porn stars themselves) were fucking, and the other half not. All you had to do was ask, and the girl would tell you whether she fucked or not. Looks ranged from 7 to 10, and around $150 would get you a suck and fuck. Occasionally a girl would offer bareback right off the top, no need to inquire.

My favorite was a blonde who went by "Rita Erotica". I would rate her at 8 looks wise. We would go to the back, and after some light kissing, she would squat in front of me and expertly suck a condom onto my dick. Then she would stand up and turn her cute butt around, and I would fuck her standing up from behind, saying all kinds of dirty things in her ear. One time the condom broke (neither of us knew), and I came inside of her! The Market Street Cinema was also the only strip club where I actually fucked a stripper in the ass on premises! It was another blonde (I like pretty blondes), and we had just finished having straight sex when she said that maybe the next time I could fuck her in the ass. I said to hell with next time, and that I'm fucking you in the ass now! And I did! Oh, those were the days!

Well, these escapades happened many moons ago, and I can hardly bring myself to go to an American strip club anymore. I've probably gone only a handful of times in the last two decades! It's just that it seems like such a waste of money now. Like you say, you can easily spend $400+ dollars in an evening at a top US strip club, and most aren't going to offer what you could get in the San Francisco clubs like the Market Street Cinema, or in the Detroit clubs I gather. But, when you don't know any better or maybe you just can't get overseas, maybe it's not so bad. All I know is that when it comes to the American strip clubs, "I can't go home again" LOL! At the clubs in other cities where FS was not available (overwhelming majority), my preference was to patronize clubs offering "bed dances".

For a bed dance, you go to a private room and lay on a bed, and the girl rubs and grinds all over you. My favorites would routinely let their panties go to the side fully exposing their tingly pussy lips and ass cracks. I would wear something with no underwear that was really thin so as not to irritate their skin from all of that rubbing, and that would allow for virtually bare contact. Only some thin material separating my dick from their pussies and butt cheeks. Rubbing and grinding and humping away we would go, with a session going for an hour. That's what I would pay for (about $90 plus a small tip if good), and my favorites always made me cum at the end! The best of the best was this super hot brunette who went by "Ginger". Man was she good, working it in all kinds of positions! I think both our favorite position was when she would lay back on top of me with her butt right in my crotch. It was like I was fucking her in the butt, and I would notice that her nipples would always go rock hard. This is how I would usually cum during my bed dances with Ginger too. With my dick dug deep up in between her exposed stripper girl ass cheeks. But where else for a budding anal connoisseur?

My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.

Thanks for the replies about US strip clubs. If I wanted to do a US strip club tour which would be the best to go to? Las Vegas?

If any of you have been to Globe (and who was at Sharks previously) there is a Romanian girl, early 20's, called Megan who is a real beauty, I'd say. A 10. Do you get girls like that working in strip clubs who will do BJ / HJ?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2479711]My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.[/QUOTE]I remember one of the few times I went to an American strip club after I started mongering overseas. It was back at one of my old favorites. The stripper got angry with me during the "dance" because she said I looked like I was "disappointed" LOL! I know I did have a "skeptical" look on my face. I mean, these American girls think they're doing something, but we all know they aren't doing jack shit! For most of us there's just no going back once you've been overseas where fucking on-premises in the club is legal, and you're engaging in all kinds of sex acts. And there's no use in talking to a mind-washed American stripper about the differences either. She'll just come back talking about rampant disease risks (bullshit) and use morality arguments (blah, blah, blah) and say stuff like only losers (both women and men) would participate in prostitution. The typical narrow-minded, moralistic, judgmental, ignorant American thinking on the matter. I once saw a video on YouTube where American strippers were even complaining about guys getting boners while they were rubbing all over them! I mean really? WTF kind of nonsense is that? To complain because the man gets hard while you grind on him? Feminist strippers! This is the unbelievable and unacceptable "attitude" of so many American women, and it extends right into the sex industries. Like just be a "gentleman" give me all your money you pervert! Totally no respect for us men. Well the hell with that! I'm going to where a man can still be a man (like have a boner), and where women are still women (they like to give men boners). So my fellow American males it's best to just save your money and enjoy traveling and mongering abroad. You'll enjoy discovering the world and getting laid all at the same time. Bon voyage, and monger on!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2479711]My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.[/QUOTE]I would only add that if you like the strip club format but with sex in the menu, then go to Moscow. Aurora, Angels, Penthouse all have 8's and 9's on the menu and ready for sex. Or warm up at Golden Girls where the girls are even prettier (but no sex) and finish the night at one of the above.

Not as cheap as FKK of course. But a very fun experience with sex with a pretty girl at the end of the rainbow.

The Lower Saxony Higher Administrative Court has suspended the closure of brothels and similar facilities ordered by the state government due to the corona pandemic. A spokeswoman announced on Friday. This also applies to street prostitution. So the sex establishments in state of Lower Saxony are allowed to reopen. But I know who cares as long as FKK clubs in NRW and Hesse are not allowed to reopen.

[URL]https://www.welt.de/regionales/niedersachsen/article214558654/Richter-Prostitution-in-Niedersachsen-trotz-Corona-erlaubt.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2479711]My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.[/QUOTE]I left New York city 17 years ago. When I lived in NY, if you were relatively young and good looking, it was possible to have sex with the strippers after they finished their work and you could take them home. Of course, you had to be good looking and relatively young. How is the sex scene in NYC nowaday?

EL: I am 60+, 182, 80 kilos looking around 50 so still possible for me to date reasonable young woman without paying, obviously if you are fat, looking old, drunk face. Difficult to date woman of any kind.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2479617]To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.

To correct and clarify a few things:

There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.

Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.

My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.

You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.[/QUOTE]For a short time, I was a taxi driver in Las Vegas. I only made minimum wage, tips and kick backs from the strip clubs. The strip clubs generally kicked back the cover charge $30, if I brought them a customer.

Palomino is an old club in North Las Vegas and total nude. They were grandfathered in to sell alcohol. The girls I saw were average. I didn't take any tourist there.

Spearmint Rhino, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.

Sapphires topless, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.

Cheetahs topless, topless, alcohol. Average girls and club.

Little Darling Nude No alcohol. I never went to that club.

Lap dance $20 per song. If you go to the VIP room, can be $100 per song. It is easy to drop a lot of money in this environment for No Sex.

Rules: You cannot touch the girl. Girl is topless and grinds up against you. Depends on how nasty the girls is and usually gives you a woody.

Locals do not pay cover charge.

I only go to strip clubs when I have friends from Germany, Japan or Hawaii come and want to experience an Las Vegas strip club. Otherwise, I don't go to strip clubs. I look forward to my yearly or semi-yearly visit to FKK in Germany.

I look forward to hopefully go to Germany in May, 2021.

What FKKs lack that stripclubs have is the entertainment level. If you don't count in the sex / room I usually have more fun in stripclubs than FKKs. To me most FKKs would be better with a little bit more show, party, disco vibe: Most places could make it easier to order drinks (most FKKs have such low service levels when ordering drinks, pehaps due to 90% of orders are at zero value and maybe treating bar workers from EE badly?) make the atmosphere more enjoyable. Like Hong Kong club in Tijuana Mexico. Samya in Köln was the most enjoyable FKK I have been to in that sense.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2479720]Thanks for the replies about US strip clubs. If I wanted to do a US strip club tour which would be the best to go to? Las Vegas?

If any of you have been to Globe (and who was at Sharks previously) there is a Romanian girl, early 20's, called Megan who is a real beauty, I'd say. A 10. Do you get girls like that working in strip clubs who will do BJ / HJ?[/QUOTE]Megan will be 25 soon. If You saw new German Sofia with far prettier face than Linda. When I see American women, even maybe Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in US clubs, but I doubt for same level of looks.

[QUOTE=Wiild;2479811]What FKKs lack that stripclubs have is the entertainment level. If you don't count in the sex / room I usually have more fun in stripclubs than FKKs. To me most FKKs would be better with a little bit more show, party, disco vibe: Most places could make it easier to order drinks (most FKKs have such low service levels when ordering drinks, pehaps due to 90% of orders are at zero value and maybe treating bar workers from EE badly?) make the atmosphere more enjoyable. Like Hong Kong club in Tijuana Mexico. Samya in Kln was the most enjoyable FKK I have been to in that sense.[/QUOTE]I found the termas of Brazil to be better in this regard than the FKKs as well. There was often more of a party atmosphere with lots of passionate DFKing and naughty "couch play" before going to a room to do the full nasty.

In my opinion, the quality of strip clubs has declined a lot in the US in the last 20 years. In mid to late 90's, when I was still quite young, it seemed like many full nude clubs had pretty hot girls, were more permissive, and of course prices were low. I had visited clubs in Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Austin, Vegas, San Diego, LOS Angeles, San Fran, Baltimore and Phoenix in the ten years between 1995 to 2005. Gradually, my visits to strip clubs have declined, ironically as I am able to afford them properly. One reason is that I discovered FKKs a while ago, and also sugar babes in the US. Secondly, my own personal relationship status changed. As others said, strip clubs are great for hanging out, have some drinks and perhaps have a few lap dances. Back then too, the lap dances were very intimate and of course I was a young buckaroo full of sperm wanting to explode, and I did unfortunately soil my pants in a few lap dances. Tootsies and Scarlets in Miami, a few joints in LOS Angeles (one very near airport, one in Van Nuys, a couple in Inglewood all were terrific. One of the prettiest girls I had ever seen was in one of those strip clubs and I had more fantasies about her than I care to admit), PT's? In Missouri near St Louis, Tanga Lounge and Mons Venus in Tampa, the aforementioned SF clubs (market street was a dump, but New Century and Mitchell Bro's at O Farrel), Centerfolds in Phoenix, all have happy memories for me. As someone said below, I had a few BJs in San Fran clubs, the only place that happened inside the club for me, but For a few hundred, it was possible to fuck strippers outside the clubs in some locations if you worked on them enough. But high friction contact was readily available - yes fully nude - in several clubs in several cities then which I understand is no longer true. Seems like many municipalities have clamped down on strip clubs in US. That said, I have hardly visited any of late, my last club visit must have been like 5 years ago when I was on business was bored and drive over to Scarlets in Miami. BTW, to the original question, some of the best lookers I have ever seen were in US strip clubs and not even the best FKK girls are comparable. (I had fucked Megan in Sharks, and no she is not a 10 in my view, and if she is a 10" there were quite a few 11's and 12's in US strip clubs). But when it came to sex in strip clubs, you also better be careful because the girl can get you thrown out by a nasty bouncer. One time the guy next to me getting a lap dance in a strip club in Inglewood CA had unzipped his pant, perhaps with the intent of jacking off while the girl was dancing a few inches away and almost instantly a massive bouncer appeared, pulled him up and threw him out while the girl was cursing him.

[QUOTE=Kawaii50;2479780]For a short time, I was a taxi driver in Las Vegas. I only made minimum wage, tips and kick backs from the strip clubs. The strip clubs generally kicked back the cover charge $30, if I brought them a customer.

Palomino is an old club in North Las Vegas and total nude. They were grandfathered in to sell alcohol. The girls I saw were average. I didn't take any tourist there.

Spearmint Rhino, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.

Sapphires topless, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.

Cheetahs topless, topless, alcohol. Average girls and club.

Little Darling Nude No alcohol. I never went to that club.

Lap dance $20 per song. If you go to the VIP room, can be $100 per song. It is easy to drop a lot of money in this environment for No Sex.

Rules: You cannot touch the girl. Girl is topless and grinds up against you. Depends on how nasty the girls is and usually gives you a woody..[/QUOTE]I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2479830]In my opinion, the quality of strip clubs has declined a lot in the US in the last 20 years. In mid to late 90's, when I was still quite young, it seemed like many full nude clubs had pretty hot girls, were more permissive, and of course prices were low. I had visited clubs in Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Austin, Vegas, San Diego, LOS Angeles, San Fran, Baltimore and Phoenix in the ten years between 1995 to 2005. Gradually, my visits to strip clubs have declined, ironically as I am able to afford them properly. One reason is that I discovered FKKs a while ago, and also sugar babes in the US. Secondly, my own personal relationship status changed. As others said, strip clubs are great for hanging out, have some drinks and perhaps have a few lap dances. Back then too, the lap dances were very intimate and of course I was a young buckaroo full of sperm wanting to explode, and I did unfortunately soil my pants in a few lap dances. Tootsies and Scarlets in Miami, a few joints in LOS Angeles (one very near airport, one in Van Nuys, a couple in Inglewood all were terrific. One of the prettiest girls I had ever seen was in one of those strip clubs and I had more fantasies about her than I care to admit), PT's? In Missouri near St Louis, Tanga Lounge and Mons Venus in Tampa, the aforementioned SF clubs (market street was a dump, but New Century and Mitchell Bro's at O Farrel), Centerfolds in Phoenix, all have happy memories for me. As someone said below, I had a few BJs in San Fran clubs, the only place that happened inside the club for me, but For a few hundred, it was possible to fuck strippers outside the clubs in some locations if you worked on them enough. But high friction contact was readily available - yes fully nude - in several clubs in several cities then which I understand is no longer true. Seems like many municipalities have clamped down on strip clubs in US..[/QUOTE]Then what are you supposed to do in US strip clubs? Just pay to get a boner and go home after? LOL.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2479830]In my opinion, the quality of strip clubs has declined a lot in the US in the last 20 years. In mid to late 90's, when I was still quite young, it seemed like many full nude clubs had pretty hot girls, were more permissive, and of course prices were low. I had visited clubs in Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Austin, Vegas, San Diego, LOS Angeles, San Fran, Baltimore and Phoenix in the ten years between 1995 to 2005. Gradually, my visits to strip clubs have declined, ironically as I am able to afford them properly. One reason is that I discovered FKKs a while ago, and also sugar babes in the US. Secondly, my own personal relationship status changed. As others said, strip clubs are great for hanging out, have some drinks and perhaps have a few lap dances. Back then too, the lap dances were very intimate and of course I was a young buckaroo full of sperm wanting to explode, and I did unfortunately soil my pants in a few lap dances. Tootsies and Scarlets in Miami, a few joints in LOS Angeles (one very near airport, one in Van Nuys, a couple in Inglewood all were terrific. One of the prettiest girls I had ever seen was in one of those strip clubs and I had more fantasies about her than I care to admit), PT's? In Missouri near St Louis, Tanga Lounge and Mons Venus in Tampa, the aforementioned SF clubs (market street was a dump, but New Century and Mitchell Bro's at O Farrel), Centerfolds in Phoenix, all have happy memories for me. As someone said below, I had a few BJs in San Fran clubs, the only place that happened inside the club for me, but For a few hundred, it was possible to fuck strippers outside the clubs in some locations if you worked on them enough. But high friction contact was readily available - yes fully nude - in several clubs in several cities then which I understand is no longer true. Seems like many municipalities have clamped down on strip clubs in US. That said, I have hardly visited any of late, my last club visit must have been like 5 years ago when I was on business was bored and drive over to Scarlets in Miami. BTW, to the original question, some of the best lookers I have ever seen were in US strip clubs and not even the best FKK girls are comparable.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you on this. I had so much fun at many Miami clubs (Tootsie, and others I forgot names), Spearmint Rhinos in Vegas and LA areas, Tropical Lei in east of LA, Mitchell Brothers in SF etc etc up until about 10-12 years ago. All were full service, most cases inside the club discreetly and some cases OTC, if you are good with the girls. I even got few total freebies from few US strippers over the time. Alas, gone are those days.

BTW, you can try GT in Vienna right now. They are fully open normal (not much Covid scare in Austria now), and average quality is pretty good, no too fat with cottage cheese, mostly 18-25 slim and few really beautiful faces, mostly good personalities too.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2479843]I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.[/QUOTE]Dude, this is USA we are talking about! At least throw in a BBBJ, you say? Like "at least give them a salt and pepper shaker with those fries!" LOL. Here, our presidents risk impeachment to get a quick blowjob from a slightly out of shape GND haha. If only obtaining head was so easy.

Yes, go home and rub one off or put a condom on and let the girl grind you to climax where such lap dances are possible (and dispose it off in the men's room).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2479637]What stops American entrepreneur to open maybe not the same, but similar set up as FKK in USA? Legal restriction? But I thought in Nevada and some states, prostitution is legal, so something similar to FKK set up can be done if some entrepreneur is brave as Larryflynt.[/QUOTE]If it was possible it would have been done. Only one state, Nevada, allows prostitution and then the counties within that state need to pass a law allowing businesses to provide the service. Highly populated counties do not vote to allow so a handful of sparsely populated counties about an hour outside of Las Vegas do have legal prostitution. It's a widely believed fallacy that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. Yes it's available if you know where and how to look but it's not either legal or encouraged. A few years ago it was more tolerated in all casino bars to have working girls hanging around but most places no longer allow them to take up space. Some casinos still tolerate them if the girls are not too obvious about it and act like they are interested in playing the gambling machine at their bar seat.

Regarding strip clubs I think "value" might depend on whether you are a drinking and party kind of guy or not. Because I am I go to Pattaya as well even though the hottest girls will rarely leave with me for sex (because I'm not Asian). Still I love the vibe and energy of being in that loud and wild agogo bar environment. And for a party Spearmint Rhino Vegas on a Friday night makes an Pattaya gogo bar seem dull by comparison. The energy in the place is just off the chart. And like fishing sometimes you're able to hook something to take home and eat. So yeah if you just want a quiet evening and easy sex the FKKs are perfect for you. If you want a wild party time and a challenge to find sex Vegas is a great.

If you're really looking for sex in Vegas though don't go to strip clubs. Look at the main bars in each casino very late at night for single girls in high heels playing machines.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2479882]If it was possible it would have been done. Only one state, Nevada, allows prostitution and then the counties within that state need to pass a law allowing businesses to provide the service. Highly populated counties do not vote to allow so a handful of sparsely populated counties about an hour outside of Las Vegas do have legal prostitution. It's a widely believed fallacy that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. Yes it's available if you know where and how to look but it's not either legal or encouraged. A few years ago it was more tolerated in all casino bars to have working girls hanging around but most places no longer allow them to take up space. Some casinos still tolerate them if the girls are not too obvious about it and act like they are interested in playing the gambling machine at their bar seat.

Regarding strip clubs I think "value" might depend on whether you are a drinking and party kind of guy or not. Because I am I go to Pattaya as well even though the hottest girls will rarely leave with me for sex (because I'm not Asian). Still I love the vibe and energy of being in that loud and wild agogo bar environment. And for a party Spearmint Rhino Vegas on a Friday night makes an Pattaya gogo bar seem dull by comparison. The energy in the place is just off the chart. And like fishing sometimes you're able to hook something to take home and eat. So yeah if you just want a quiet evening and easy sex the FKKs are perfect for you. If you want a wild party time and a challenge to find sex Vegas is a great.

If you're really looking for sex in Vegas though don't go to strip clubs. Look at the main bars in each casino very late at night for single girls in high heels playing machines.[/QUOTE]Alright, it would be good business to set up FKK like set up in Nevada and call it "United colors of college tuition fee support center" LOL!

I am not that into Thai girls, but I do like Eurasian (mixed blood, half white, half Asian), which are rare bleed to find in Thailand or any nations in Asia actually, but now and them, I manage to find Eurasian stunner (About 1 to 3 per year and I am constantly in search for them in the mongering market).

Having said that, I am glad we all know where is the best places for mongering and we just have to fly. And hey, it is nice we travel at the same time of mongering, it kind of have synergy affect and make the trips we take more memorable. Only down side is we mostly only go to same countries or even same cities when we take our trips LOL! But at least when we see or hear Berlin, Frankfurt, NRW cities or Zurich, it put smile on our face as these cities are filled with amazing obscene memories that we cherish for life. Isn't it great?

A while ago, quite a few of my co-workers, especially the sales guys, would occasionally or even frequently head out to a local strip club after a long day at work when on road. Even the lady co workers would join them. Now? Forget it! This is definitely one area where feminist influence has been seen in US work place

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But younger generations are largely eschewing strip clubs and company-expensed strip club business meetings are a thing of the past due to workplace changes. Recently, sportswear maker Under Armour told employees they could no longer write off expenses for strip club visits, with the Wall Street Journal reporting employees being told that "strip-club visits were symptomatic of practices women at Under Armour found demeaning. ".

The lack of millennial may face a bigger challenge for adult entertainment outlets. "The Baby Boomers are retiring. They were for 20 years an amazing customer base," Alan Markovitz who operates gentlemen's clubs in four states recently told the BBC. "The millennial are not coming to the strip clubs that much. That's the issue."

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48667681[/URL]

[URL]https://www.foxbusiness.com/industrials/strip-clubs-are-getting-a-high-tech-overhaul-but-will-it-be-enough-to-save-them[/URL]

Sorry, don't mean to be trolling here but this is probably of some interest to US old timers.

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-31/ron-jeremy-charged-additional-counts-of-sexual-misconduct[/URL]

I was never a fan of this guy but he has his share. I am surprised he is sill able to get it up after so much fucking, get it Hard enough enough to be are a p in g these girls as per the allegations. He has been forever out of shape as we all know.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2479893]A while ago, quite a few of my co-workers, especially the sales guys, would occasionally or even frequently head out to a local strip club after a long day at work when on road. [/QUOTE]It is interesting that you say that. Like at one of my first sales jobs, my boss always called us prostitutes. LOL. That was how I realized there was no difference. So I do believe sales people are having an easier time understanding the hardships of the work P6 or stripper girls have to live with. And sales people might also therefore have less prejudice towards this type of work.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2479843]I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.[/QUOTE][URL]https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-indy-explains-how-legal-prostitution-works-in-nevada[/URL]

In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.

The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.

[QUOTE=Kawaii50;2479927]FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.[/QUOTE]I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.

In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.

The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on TV and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.

EL: less and less girls from Romania or Bulgaria are entering the prostitution, since 2015 so few new and fresh girls in the FKK, mostly always the same veteran around even only 24 YO, I am often travelling in Hungary, Romania and I can tell there are a lot of very sexy and fresh girls but they find a better way to make their living that to open their legs and mouth to everyone willing to pay 50 euros. With the covid and the new closing of the boarders like today Hungary.

(by car you need to cross Hungary if you want to go to Austria, Germany, Switzerland) I don t believe the LU will be great in the FKK, the nice and clever girls don t want to put their health at risk only the desperate will prostitute.

[QUOTE=Kawaii50;2479927][URL]https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-indy-explains-how-legal-prostitution-works-in-nevada[/URL]

In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.

The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.[/QUOTE]1000 USD per hour in USA brothel is 100 Euro per hour in German FKK LOL!

US has good access to Mexican girls though or you can actually just go to Mexico to fuck some nice Mexican beauties there? Are there any nice set up in Mexico across the border with stunner level Mexican girls?

For rest of my life, I will frequent FKK, it was the set up I have been searching for and I found it when I was 29 years old in 2009 and I am still excited each time I go. Fucking new beautiful stunner level girl is one of very few things I do not get bored even though I have done it so many times. Many other things in life you can get bored with easily, but not fucking new beautiful stunner level girls.

Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2479817]Megan will be 25 soon. If You saw new German Sofia with far prettier face than Linda. When I see American women, even maybe Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in US clubs, but I doubt for same level of looks.[/QUOTE]If paid sex worth in US with beauties who could compete with Romanians, then US would not need to fly and pay expensive to come to enjoy FKK land and regret so much, frustrated when closed. Some pretty Mexicans or Puerto Ricans, when American women are pretty in films, but so many fat and silicon. Same for me, if I had a club in France with French beauties who can compete with Romanians, French women can compete and stay prettier when getting older, not a strip club like Hustler or Pink paradise David Guetta, then I won t drive to FKK land. When I met 14 Russian escorts on July 2014, now and nothing about virus, I m happy when I succeed to find one as pretty as my best Romanians in FKK land, even I don t find many pretty in FKK land, but since Amour Russe was stopped by police raid, even they are rare for me, but FKK land is best place to find beauties. Not only Germany for FKK land. Wait and see for what will happen for Artemis which tell to increase entry to 90, like at GT Vienna, but do they have allowance and how for health safety?

You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.

The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.

The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.

Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.

Same with massage parlors. Many places require all kinds of professional licensing for a business to operate.

The federal government did so many asset seizures of escort agencies where ladies cross state lines that big multi-state escort agencies no longer exist.

And for the lower-priced ladies, the Fosta / Sesta law and the seizure of Backpage destroyed the efficiency of mass advertising.

So the USA Scene is primarily independent escorts with their own websites, a few local intrastate escort agencies in relatively friendly jurisdictions, Sugar Babies, and a very few small classified mass-advertisement websites. Prices are all over the place, and "regulars" get much better deals in terms of prices and level of services. A lot of new experiences for Johns come from referrals from existing sex workers. The only Organization is that the sex workers themselves maintain good contacts with each other, mostly because the scene requires screening of customers.

So it is really impossible to compare the organized scene in Germany to the widely varying disorganized scene in the USA I suppose the only possible advantage of the disorganized scene is that it has become basically impossible for further attack by law enforcement without getting to a level of intrusiveness that even the general public would object to. And it no longer relies on the government for its continued existence, as is the case with German FKKs.

The USA Scene as it now exists isn't what guys who like FKKs are looking for, but it does exist beyond Nevada brothels and strip clubs.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2479752]...............I left New York city 17 years ago. When I lived in NY, if you were relatively young and good looking, it was possible to have sex with the strippers after they finished their work and you could take them home. Of course, you had to be good looking and relatively young. How is the sex scene in NYC nowaday?[/QUOTE]I had really good sex with NYC hookers in the 1970's and 1980's. Then again I was younger. But then came Rudy Giuliani. Nowadays if you live there you can have ok coitus with escorts, not as enjoyable as in FKKs and more expensive. The internet has reviews of massage parlors and the like. There is a site that has reviews of MPs, I have forgotten the name something to do with maps, google should help.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2479995]I had really good sex with NYC hookers in the 1970's and 1980's. Then again I was younger. But then came Rudy Giuliani. Nowadays if you live there you can have ok coitus with escorts, not as enjoyable as in FKKs and more expensive. The internet has reviews of massage parlors and the like. There is a site that has reviews of MPs, I have forgotten the name something to do with maps, google should help.[/QUOTE]From 80's until early this century, you could find some ads of illegal brothels in the newspaper "The Village Voice" for "high-class" girls. At that time, the cheapest places were in Jackson Heights, Queens, New York, where a lot of illegal Latino immigrants who were eager to sell themselves for money were and the standard price was $30 for 20 minutes (later raised to $35). You could actually find some real Latin beauties with very sexy body there.

The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago. Almost all the girls were aspiring models or actresses with superior optics. I was not a member of the club and was introduced by a 19-year-old girl who worked there and whom I knew and did. She later on became the sugar baby of a rich dude who paid her $20,000 or $25,000 per month (because I can't remember exactly which amount she told me anymore). Pessimist, we already had sugarbabie market over 20 years ago LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2479888]Alright, it would be good business to set up FKK like set up in Nevada and call it "United colors of college tuition fee support center" LOL!

I am not that into Thai girls, but I do like Eurasian (mixed blood, half white, half Asian), which are rare bleed to find in Thailand or any nations in Asia actually, but now and them, I manage to find Eurasian stunner (About 1 to 3 per year and I am constantly in search for them in the mongering market).

Having said that, I am glad we all know where is the best places for mongering and we just have to fly. And hey, it is nice we travel at the same time of mongering, it kind of have synergy affect and make the trips we take more memorable. Only down side is we mostly only go to same countries or even same cities when we take our trips LOL! But at least when we see or hear Berlin, Frankfurt, NRW cities or Zurich, it put smile on our face as these cities are filled with amazing obscene memories that we cherish for life. Isn't it great?[/QUOTE]It has already been set up Mr. Ho and it's called the Chicken Ranch. Here's a link.

[URL]https://chickenranchbrothel.com/ladies/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2480004]The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago. Almost all the girls were aspiring models or actresses with superior optics. I was not a member of the club and was introduced by a 19-year-old girl who worked there and whom I knew and did. She later on became the sugar baby of a rich dude who paid her $20,000 or $25,000 per month (because I can't remember exactly which amount she told me anymore). Pessimist, we already had sugarbabie market over 20 years ago LOL.[/QUOTE]Wow, $25 grand is a lot. That is $300 K annually, for just one girl. Even if my net worth was $10 M, I would not be willing to part 3% of it annually for sex w / just one girl. Perhaps if I had $100 M I might, but that will not happen in this life for me, so there is that.

Yeah, I imagine the concept of sugarbabe must have existed for a long time whatever they were called. Mistress, doxy, concubine, live in lover, kept woman. As in everything else, internet democratized this, expanded supply and brought in more girls, and probably reduced the prices.

The most I have ever been asked is 10 grand for a month, and that happened only a few times. I quickly filtered such girls out. Obviously, I am not as rich (or profligate) as that rich dude who offered $25 K / month.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2479929]I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.[/QUOTE]Go to Aphrodisia or Amesia in Zurich with free entry and free drinks, but no foods. You pay only girls. At Gold. De, from breakfast to 1 am, you could eat 10 times for only 25 € with free drinks, and if you managed well with girls, You could have nearly 40 mn for 40, and few beauties, even found one who had Globe level in bed. She was so lost on our discovery, but she remembered for our second time. At Olymp Solothurn. Ch, can eat really good steak, free drinks, sauna, jacuzzi, shower, for only 10 CHF.

EL: never believe any world coming out from the mouth of a prostitute, how many girls told me they will move to Dubai they found a rich guy, or I have a transport company it is my last month in the club, or I am dentist or I am student. All is bulshitt, 99% of the girls are still prostitutes 5 years latter only very few can quit and have a normal life, a lot of them have nothing when they are 35+, even they earned a lot of money but spent even more for the boyfriend, for useless things or made bad investment.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2479975]You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.

The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.

The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.

Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.

Same with massage parlors. Many places require all kinds of professional licensing for a business to operate.

The federal government did so many asset seizures of escort agencies where ladies cross state lines that big multi-state escort agencies no longer exist..[/QUOTE]You make many good points. People often use the moniker "sex prison" when it comes to USA and I have abused that phrase myself occasionally. But "tough to obtain organized sex" as you put it does not equate to "no paid sex is happening in USA". Far from it. One just has to be more diligent, proactive and patient. The thing is that for those staying patient and diligent, wonderful deals can fall in their lap occasionally and when they do. All the more satisfying but one has to search for them. They are not like picking a couple of egg rolls at a Chinese restaurant buffer.

You are also very right about NV brothels. I had been to the one near Reno (Moonlight Bunny ranch?) several years ago and also one near LV (think it was Pathrump? Forgetting the name). Having now been inside FKKs, I will never again set foot in any of these NV brothels. I do see these brothels bring slightly washed up porn stars at high prices as headline acts to attract customers. If you have a fantasy about any specific porn starlet NV brothels may be an easy way to meet, although I do see that you can meet many of them through escort sites or perhaps even writing to them directly. Occasionally some of these porn stars also make cameo appearances in sugar babe sites but my experience is that their quoted prices are always too high and not worth it unless you have a specific fantasy about them.

The good thing about sugar babe sites is that over time, you can accumulate several contacts in many cities including phone numbers, IG / Snap etc. If you meet any of them for a dinner and then a fuck session, there is nothing illegal and not a thing that LE can do about it. You both know each other, know what's on each one's mind, know all the details including prices and expected money. Such sessions feel quite natural and beyond the reach of any LE officer.

[URL]https://www.6profis.de/private-models/waldbroel/100-girls/lea-29917.html[/URL] did someone spot LEA in last Time? Someone?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2480025]It has already been set up Mr. Ho and it's called the Chicken Ranch. Here's a link.

[URL]https://chickenranchbrothel.com/ladies/[/URL][/QUOTE]OK, but I do not like the optics of chickens at their chicken ranch LOL!

FKK sure has stunner level girls by far comparison to rest of world. FKK changed my image on brothel.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2479975]You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.

The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.

The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.

Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.[/QUOTE]Well they better get more organized, so that they do not shoot people with guns with bullets, but they will shoot beautiful prostitute with their penis with sperm LOL! Second one is more fun and better way of living LOL!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2479929]I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.[/QUOTE]Since the owner of Artemis is Turkish guy, it is better for Artemis to stick to Turkish food only and kebab.

I do not go to FKK to eat, but it would be nicer if the food in FKK is nicer.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2480088]EL: never believe any world coming out from the mouth of a prostitute, how many girls told me they will move to Dubai they found a rich guy, or I have a transport company it is my last month in the club, or I am dentist or I am student. All is bulshitt, 99% of the girls are still prostitutes 5 years latter only very few can quit and have a normal life, a lot of them have nothing when they are 35+, even they earned a lot of money but spent even more for the boyfriend, for useless things or made bad investment.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, when I would really like they make a good life with money they made being fucked, but when few most often lose their money in not working business in poor Romania, sometimes business being for pimp, if they were able to make good business, they would not work for years to be fucked. More safe for Elen to work at Sharks with Asians than in Dubai.

Those who lives by beautiful young stunner prostitutes fucking die by them mongers! You got nothing to worry about when it comes to societal norms LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480026]Wow, $25 grand is a lot. That is $300 K annually, for just one girl. Even if my net worth was $10 M, I would not be willing to part 3% of it annually for sex w / just one girl. Perhaps if I had $100 M I might, but that will not happen in this life for me, so there is that.

Yeah, I imagine the concept of sugarbabe must have existed for a long time whatever they were called. Mistress, doxy, concubine, live in lover, kept woman. As in everything else, internet democratized this, expanded supply and brought in more girls, and probably reduced the prices.

The most I have ever been asked is 10 grand for a month, and that happened only a few times. I quickly filtered such girls out. Obviously, I am not as rich (or profligate) as that rich dude who offered $25 K / month.[/QUOTE]I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.

In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2480220]I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.

In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.[/QUOTE]You reminded me of a funny story. The best looking lady I ever saw in New York City was a blond Ukrainian long ago in a makeshift brothel on Water Street, which is right by Wall Street. Huge apartment with three bedrooms and a very large living room. This was before the Cyclones of Shit in New York City, so all they wanted as screening was an out-of-state license. I had read on a review board that she was brand new and smoking hot. I got there too early after making an appointment for a specific time and was informed that she was running late. The place was hilarious in that they truly had curtains and ropes in strategic positions to try to make it so that customers did not see each other. I was placed in the huge living room and a chunky Puerto Rican girl with big boobs held my hand while we watched TV and told me she was available if I didn't want to wait. I kept telling myself, Wait, Wait, No Chunky Puerto Rican. Thank God I did. One of the doors opened and I could see a blond girl leading a guy in a suit and tie through the maze. I didn't see distinguishable faces, but he clearly said I will see you tomorrow. She cane out to get me 10-15 minutes later and she was everything she was cracked up to be. She really wasn't that expensive either, although it was long ago. Like $350 or $400 for one hour with two cums (which was less of a problem to accomplish when I was younger). She had just arrived from the Ukraine to study Psychology in college. Sure enough, she was gone from the online roster in about three weeks. Someone took her off the market, clearly. The place on Water Street was gone a year or so later. Someone said the ladies complained about lack of hot water in the winter (too many hot showers I guess), but who knows? The group switched to multiple small incall places by appointment for a while, then eventually disappeared entirely when the scene changed thanks to Giuliani and Bloomberg.

The two ladies I see in NYC now aren't going to get taken off the market. They both charge a lot, have other jobs, are very independent, and have relationships with other girls. One said she sometimes books other female sex workers for sessions. Independents by nature, particularly if they have worked in the industry for a while, are unlikely to put too many eggs in one basket.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2480220]I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.

In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.[/QUOTE]The concept of a "sugar baby" is nothing new. It's just been called different things over time. What you're talking about here is more of a "kept woman". And I bet for all that money she wasn't even doing anal!

Recently I drove past Saarlouis in Saarland, and after viewing the line up of ladies (see link below), I was highly tempted to try a visit at Villa Venetia.

[URL]https://www.villa-venezia.de/en/ladies.html[/URL]

However when you click on a photo, you see the following warning in German: "WICHTIGER HINWEIS WEGEN Covid19:

Alle Services können geändert oder nicht erlaubt sein. Aktuelle Informationen bitte per E-Mail oder telefonisch erfagen!

Rough translation: "Important notice due to Covid19; all services can be either changed or not allowed. Please call or email for current information. "

Not wanting to get ripped off, and not wanting to fuck a girl wearing one of those face diapers, I didn't even bother to call.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2480232]The concept of a "sugar baby" is nothing new. It's just been called different things over time. What you're talking about here is more of a "kept woman". And I bet for all that money she wasn't even doing anal![/QUOTE]I agree it is more of a "kept woman" as you said. You are also right that she didn't do anal. I did her many times before she worked in that high-end sex club. She told me that she didn't do anal, although I never asked her to do it because anal is not my thing.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480228]

The two ladies I see in NYC now aren't going to get taken off the market. They both charge a lot, have other jobs, are very independent, and have relationships with other girls. One said she sometimes books other female sex workers for sessions. Independents by nature, particularly if they have worked in the industry for a while, are unlikely to put too many eggs in one basket.[/QUOTE]I would imagine that the incall brothels in New York would be very difficult to survive nowadays if they advertize.

EL: I used to book many escort when I see the photos from villa-Venezia for sure I will never go there, all is photoshop and smell the cheating.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480168]Since the owner of Artemis is Turkish guy, it is better for Artemis to stick to Turkish food only and kebab.

I do not go to FKK to eat, but it would be nicer if the food in FKK is nicer.[/QUOTE]I love kebab, ate whole night until 4 am at Samya, was also quite good at Velbert on Fridays and Saturdays on 2016/2017. I don't fuck before eating. On Sunday 12 March 2017, just arriving at LR, my best ever girl came straight to me even before I saw her, telling me: If you want me, I want to go with you. She usually weekly started her day with me. One of our best room in 21 in sunlight with her exceptional behavior, but after 1 h30 in bed, I went straight to eat just after.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480341]I love kebab, ate whole night until 4 am at Samya, was also quite good at Velbert on Fridays and Saturdays on 2016/2017. I don't fuck before eating. On Sunday 12 March 2017, just arriving at LR, my best ever girl came straight to me even before I saw her, telling me: If you want me, I want to go with you. She usually weekly started her day with me. One of our best room in 21 in sunlight with her exceptional behavior, but after 1 h30 in bed, I went straight to eat just after.[/QUOTE]Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?

Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2480004].........The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago.............[/QUOTE]In the 1970's and 1980's I was not as well off as I am now but fortunately the prices I paid were much less. One of my favorite places was smack in the middle of 42nd street. You go up the stairs and you see a glass wall and glass door with about 10 girls sitting around in lingerie on the other side, you pay the guy at the door $12 and you get let in, you choose your girl and pay her on average $20 for 20 minutes. You enter a room and do the deed. If you are not finished by 20 minutes a huge muscle bound guy enters the room without knocking and says time is up. In those days I had no problem coming in 20 minutes, many times I was fully dressed by then. Even at those prices I could not afford to go often, perhaps once or twice per week.

Because riots, be it in Hong Kong, or some US BLM riot all boils down to the economy. And other motives, usually good motives, normally get used instead.

Monger board riots against facial masks, or Berlin riots against corona restrictions, are other results of the same thing: lost jobs, and a dysfunctional financial system balancing on a knives edge, not able to automatically respond.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2480276]I agree it is more of a "kept woman" as you said. You are also right that she didn't do anal. I did her many times before she worked in that high-end sex club. She told me that she didn't do anal, although I never asked her to do it because anal is not my thing.

I would imagine that the incall brothels in New York would be very difficult to survive nowadays if they advertize.[/QUOTE]You just have to go to FKK JFK Airport, then you will arrive at transit points of your choice which is one of German airport, then off you go directly to your final destination FKK whatever you have chosen.

We. Fly in mongers have to go through above process instead of wasting money on some useless escorts or strip clubs etc Like are Kelly said, I believe I can fly, I believe I can tough the sky, well we mongers did and we are fine, are Kelly did in his home nation USA and look where he is at now, prison.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2479933]Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL![/QUOTE]You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480089]The good thing about sugar babe sites is that over time, you can accumulate several contacts in many cities including phone numbers, IG / Snap etc. If you meet any of them for a dinner and then a fuck session, there is nothing illegal and not a thing that LE can do about it. You both know each other, know what's on each one's mind, know all the details including prices and expected money. Such sessions feel quite natural and beyond the reach of any LE officer.[/QUOTE]Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480366]Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?

Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.[/QUOTE]During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480439]Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.[/QUOTE]You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.

There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.

If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.

Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers.

There are ways to do this activity in the USA That costs a lot of money but generates zero risk of arrest and exposure. The hassle is the money and the uncertainty of the services that will be provided. When you really are buying time and companionship, the sex is legal, but by definition uncertain.

But USA Law enforcement thanks you for perpetuating the types of myths that exist. And there is no shortage of lower-priced sex transactions outside the realm of legal safety for it to make arrests. Lots of no-screening ads, massage parlors out in the open, and street walkers.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480439]Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.[/QUOTE]Risk, like many other things, falls somewhere between 0% and 100%, right?! 100% being total ruin. I am not saying it is 0% but the question is what is an acceptable amount and what is the trade off you are willing to accept.

Say, for example, the next time you are in a FKK. A fire breaks out and you are half burnt. The news is shown globally, you may be caught on TV as you are rescued. Your spouse and co workers come to know. Or, some other accident or even a fight happens and you are caught in the middle and again your wife knows about it back home. It is not a 100% risk but it is most definitely not 0% either. You just think it is low enough and are wiling to accept it for the sake of pleasure you are obtaining in the club.

In the paragraph below, I did not say all the sugarbabe meets are 0% risk. What I was referring to very specifically was meeting with girls who were already my existing sugar babes and with who I had some connection and sex in the past. If you meet such a girl for a dinner and then move onto sex at a hotel room later, you are hardly making any reference to any sex discussion, money discussion because both parties know what to expect.

Generally, to the extent possible, I try not to have sex on the first day I meet these sugar babes. That is me.

You are right, it is unpleasant to even contemplate the risks we have in US in such situations, but in my view, the risk can be managed with some common sense on our part and general precautions. As Mongerer88 said, generally sting operations are quite rare and if you saty below the radar and be sensible and have your wits about you, you don't need to be totally celibate in the US.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480569]You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.

There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.

If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.

Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers..[/QUOTE]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480493]During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.[/QUOTE]So you don't take notes or diary, but you remember all these exact dates etc? You been to the army?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2480425]You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL![/QUOTE]I had many Brazilian tutes in Lausanne, but yeah never been to their homeland as it is right opposite of me geographically, but I will be there as pussy takes me around world LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480615]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.[/QUOTE]On those points we agree. I am fortunate to have a group of escorts I see regularly who fall more into the category you describe, at least in private. In fact, I was discussing a favorite travel destination with one of them and she wanted to make sure the sex workers took female customers since she is very bi and sometimes purchases sex herself when a pickup is not available. She has an enormous network of escorts where she works and they apparently regularly have sex with each other. My kind of girl.

I think the escort scene in the USA Is losing talent to the Sugar Baby scene. Not entirely, but enough to matter. But just like several of us were posting about the New York City multi-girl incall (essentially brothel) scene that once existed but is now gone, a person has to adapt to the never ending changes. Hopefully, the German FKK scene never changes, but it could. That ridiculous German politician who once practiced medicine, I think his name is Karl, harps constantly about Trafficking in the legal German system. Of course he is full of shit, but if there are ever any changes to the German legal situation, everyone will have to go with the flow. Commercial sex would still be available, but the mechanism to obtain it would be different.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480660]So you don't take notes or diary, but you remember all these exact dates etc? You been to the army?[/QUOTE]In France, before You had to give of your time to french army and we were tested. My diary is here, to practice English which relax me like when I find somebody, most often escorts, to speak Russian. But I don t like Romanian language, when German is funny.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480615]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.[/QUOTE]Sorry, you were replying to Mongerer88 and I am interjecting. First of all, welcome to the married guys club on ISG. I suspect many more members are married but keeping it quiet. And I agree with you in that the whole FKK atmosphere is quite exciting. The late night loud music, the dancing, drinks flowing, girls fucked half a dozen times already for the day and yet keeping their chin up to gin up more business, chatting up guys from all over the world and comparing notes on the girls we had fucked or want to fuck, the tits and ass show. I miss all of that dearly. Many a time, after a couple of cums and on the 4th day of a 5 or 6 day FKK trip, I felt like wrapping it up for the day and heading to the hotel only to be tempted to get back into the lounge from the showers and sat my bum down and before I know it, the dozens of naked girls and the flirting and them begging me to fuck albeit for money, somehow gets me in the mood again and my little friend stands at full mast and voila one more room. I guess Mr Sirioja calls it "emptying balls" but I am mighty proud and happy to have one more shot at such emptying LOL.

As for the other things you say: yes, sugar babies are not for everyone. There is a fair amount of work to be done and it is a hit and miss. But if you are not constantly looking to replace your sugar babes and happy with a handful of mistresses or fuck buddies then it is easily doable with some effort. Collect a few, and meet them occasionally. No, you don't need to do shopping trips and constant texting and all that other stuff. Look, it is a one to one relationship and you structure it the way you want: sex for a couple of hours a few times a month is a very common arrangement. They call it NSA IE no strings attached. When you are together you are together otherwise you lead your own lives. That is what I do.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2479853]Totally agree with you on this. I had so much fun at many Miami clubs (Tootsie, and others I forgot names), Spearmint Rhinos in Vegas and LA areas, Tropical Lei in east of LA, Mitchell Brothers in SF etc etc up until about 10-12 years ago. All were full service, most cases inside the club discreetly and some cases OTC, if you are good with the girls. I even got few total freebies from few US strippers over the time. Alas, gone are those days.

BTW, you can try GT in Vienna right now. They are fully open normal (not much Covid scare in Austria now), and average quality is pretty good, no too fat with cottage cheese, mostly 18-25 slim and few really beautiful faces, mostly good personalities too.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

It really sucks US Strip Clubs have fallen off the map. They're slowly getting rid of them entirely or turning into fancy sports bars or fancy clubs. It's not entirely their fault either, younger generations just don't seem to care as much.

Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.

Belgium.

Czechia.

Greece.

Tier 2 (Medium).

Denmark.

Italy.

France.

Poland.

Slovakia.

Hungary.

Slovenia.

Tier 3 (Bottom).

Croatia.

Serbia.

Macedonia.

Bulgaria.

Ireland.

Estonia.

Lithuania.

Latvia.

Cyprus.

Bosnia.

Norway.

Sweden.

Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480693]Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.

Belgium.

Czechia.

Greece.

Tier 2 (Medium).[/QUOTE]I disagree about Cyprus and particularly in Limassol. Some high class stunning Russian escorts to meet there in reasonable prices. I would also add Poland and Italy in Tier 1, Polish girls are incredible.

It depends what you name tier1, if it is young, fresh, and natural beauties all the countries are tier3. The big split is between legal or not, when it is illegal I don t go. At the end of the end what matters for me is to find young, natural and fresh beauties with no tattoo, sili, Botox, hair extension, with silk skin. No smoking which is more or less impossible to find except with some semi pro doing escort with agencies. Sometimes I see guys paying to fuck 35+ old woman, really so so I am wondering why they do this, it is possible to fuck them without paying in the real life. How many times I was at Shark at evening when there is BBQ outside, under the sunshine I can t find 1 girl matching my requests and still the guys are going with them, sex with a prostitute is never better than with a normal girl, if on top of that she is not very beautiful why should I spend my money. For me only beauty matters.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2480425]You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL![/QUOTE]So what is your strategic advice to get the best out of Brazil?

Bordels? Internet dating sites or apps? Hitting up randoms on the beach?

And does Rio rule? And if so which places?

Or how does Sao Paulo compare? Or some of the other beach cities in the north east with more prado Brasilia, like Fortaleza, Recife, Natal? Or the southern Brazilian cities of Curitiba or Porto Alegre where there are more white Brazilians? Or are the inland big cities of Brazilia or Belo Horizonte worth a shot?

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480693]Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.[/QUOTE]If a guy is shopping based for on convenience and English-speaking availability, I think it is a perfect list.

A problem with this type of thread in general is it is difficult to discuss a $20 lady and a $500 lady at the same time, and some guys like the street scene and some guys like the call-girl outcall-to-a-fancy-Hotel scene. And some guys want to be in an environment where they see at least 10 ladies in person before choosing one, while other guys are okay with choosing one lady online long before the deed.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480615]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.[/QUOTE]FKK is the best option for married, middle-aged men with no time, some money, average looks and a lot of kink. It's like Disneyland for us. Just walking in and thinking that one can have any (or all) of these young, half naked bodies for oneself is exciting. One is also allowed to be picky. And if one can afford to be generous and a regular, one might also become the "sought after".

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480693]Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.

Belgium.

Czechia.

Greece.

Tier 2 (Medium).

Denmark.

Italy.

France.

Poland.

Slovakia.

Hungary.

Slovenia.

Tier 3 (Bottom).

Croatia.

Serbia.

Macedonia.

Bulgaria.

Ireland.

Estonia.

Lithuania.

Latvia.

Cyprus.

Bosnia.

Norway.

Sweden.

Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?[/QUOTE]Where is the country in which our favorite girls are born?

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2480679]Agreed.

It really sucks US Strip Clubs have fallen off the map. They're slowly getting rid of them entirely or turning into fancy sports bars or fancy clubs. It's not entirely their fault either, younger generations just don't seem to care as much.[/QUOTE]Yeah, sometimes it feels like most of the younger American guys (millennial and below) either don't enjoy sex or even worse don't even have dicks! Or maybe they think sex is only to procreate, causing the US strip clubs to go away. On the other hand, most of the 20 something girls I know are horny as hell to fuck in any chance, not that his highness this old fart is complaining about it.

All this talk of strip clubs reminds me of the time when strip clubs and even massage parlors were advertised on two local newspaper that are no longer in print. They stop advertised before they shut down because of sex trafficking or some bullshit. Like what others said strip clubs around where I live tone things down and some have shut down in recent years. For example topless lap dances was standard 8-9 years ago without paying for VIP, but in 2019 it's hard to find girls that go topless. There are girls that won't allow you to touch their breasts, never mind sucking on them unless you pay extra or VIP. There are clubs that offer "full service", but they are drug addicts, expensive and service is not guaranteed. I learned that the hard way.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2480834]Where is the country in which our favorite girls are born?[/QUOTE]My bad I forget to add Romania.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2480803]FKK is the best option for married, middle-aged men with no time, some money, average looks and a lot of kink. It's like Disneyland for us. Just walking in and thinking that one can have any (or all) of these young, half naked bodies for oneself is exciting. One is also allowed to be picky. And if one can afford to be generous and a regular, one might also become the "sought after".

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]This is so, so, true. My first visit to Sharks taught me that FKK is truly god's play land for men.

I am resigned me to the fact that I made some choices in my life that will prevent me from visiting at will, and that recent changes will make it hard to visit at all. Were I master of my own destiny, I'd go every 3-4 months. And no, money is not the issue, it is other things in life. But I least I have my prior visits, and maybe someday things will change for me.

FKK is pure magic.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2480853]Yeah, sometimes it feels like most of the younger American guys (millennial and below) either don't enjoy sex or even worse don't even have dicks! Or maybe they think sex is only to procreate, causing the US strip clubs to go away. On the other hand, most of the 20 something girls I know are horny as hell to fuck in any chance, not that his highness this old fart is complaining about it.[/QUOTE]My biggest complaint is excessive drunkenness and lack of tipping. No wonder the US sucks.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480693]Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.

Belgium.

Czechia.

Greece.

Tier 2 (Medium).

Denmark.

Italy.

France.

Poland.

Slovakia.

Hungary.

Slovenia.

Tier 3 (Bottom).

Croatia.

Serbia.

Macedonia.

Bulgaria.

Ireland.

Estonia.

Lithuania.

Latvia.

Cyprus.

Bosnia.

Norway.

Sweden.

Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?[/QUOTE]I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2480954]I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.[/QUOTE]More than 150, mostly Russian, escorts, only in Paris, and they do legal job according to French law. So difficult to find, just have to be blind. And not anymore golden years, when really difficult for me to find attractive looks now, when had so many beauties since 2011 and Russian nights. Unfortunately, escorting is now almost dead in Nice, Milano, Torino. Russian escorts are touring in Brussels and also Hungarian pornstar Zafira. Of course, can find girls in Czech Republic and Poland close to German border. Just have to know a bit.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480866]All this talk of strip clubs reminds me of the time when strip clubs...
.[/QUOTE]All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.

Russia. Moscow.

The Landscape.

Like all countries, many options exist. But in Russia I stick to the strip clubs. Please do not confuse these with the lame clubs you find in the US and elsewhere. The proper clubs in Moscow are set up for onsite sex; and the real purpose of the club is to broker that. You have to be a bit careful, because some clubs are look and feel only -- no sex -- so you need the secret decoder ring as to the ones that are best. Fortunately I will provide that for you!

Welcome to Russia. Escalation -- Zazhigalka, Golden Girls, and Korston.

My first time in Moscow, I didn't even know P4 P existed. My second time, I saw the light, but only via a new friend made from my glass-half-full optimism. I started out at a club that is just look and feel called Zazhigalka. As strip clubs go, it was very, very good and I had a blast. I arrived at 9, right when it opened, and I was the ONLY guy in the club. All eyes were on me! Probably 25 girls. Really sort of a 6-7 looks-rating kind of crowd -- no stunners, but some very pretty girls. Two girls hit me up (a 6 and an 8) and we had some great duo dances -- fully nude and no real restrictions on touching tits and ass or drinking while fully nude, unlike the US fully-nudes, which I find distinctly lame.

So I thought that was really good, but I clearly had no idea. The next night I went to a club called Golden Girls. It opens at 10 and I was there about 9:45. So being the outgoing guy I am, I start up a conversation with two guys at the door waiting to get in. (I can't emphasize enough how being friendly and unafraid is of great value when it comes to finding great venues for women and frankly life in general).

Well, one of the guys is a district sales manager for a large European company and the other is his local director of sales. We hit it off right away and he asks me to join them. He breezes us into the club with his VIP card and we immediately sit down and he orders hookah and drinks all around. I tried to pay a couple times, but he pretty much covered everything. Has girls coming and smoking hookah with us -- just one big party. He tells me his sales manager, who works for him, is forbidden to drink and will be our chauffeur! LOL. You see, he says, this club is the warm up club -- super pretty girls, but no sex. Then we will drive across town and go to the club with sex. Ok, I'm in!

We drink and hookah and ogle and take a girl to the back room from time to time and get quite worked up. They are SUPER pretty 8's and 9's, though a bit too Nordic for my taste mostly. Nonetheless I find one raven-haired beauty with the most perfect see cup tits that I sample extensively. After a couple hours of good clean fun, we pile into the Range Rover with our designated driver and head across town to Korston. Korston is small and considerably more lowbrow, but it's the traditional brothel-strip-club format I've since come to know and love.

The format is the following. Yes, it's a strip club, like you have in the US with a girl pole-dancing. What is different is, when she comes off stage she will go in turn to each guy and try to get a quick lap dance. The dance is only like 1-2 minutes right there on your chair, BUT you get full tit and ass hands-on action and you only tip $3! (some guys even do $1. 50 LOL). So you get to sample a TON of women. Generally, I try them all as they seem quite disappointed when you don't and at $3, why not? Of course the point of the dance is not the dance. She wants to seduce you and take you to the room and fuck you!

So we settle in at Korston and get some dances. But at some point, I can't find what I want and separate from the guys to go looking upstairs. Upstairs is a completely different thing with girls lounging about and relaxing. I happen upon an amazing little spinner with an apple bottom and the most dreamy brown eyes despite here platinum hair. I particularly recall her butt, because even with her limited English she says "My butt is like an I-phone -- it's an Apple".

Long story short, we have a really nice time, but when I go to find the guys they are long gone. I inquire about a bit and learn they had to leave, so I am on my own. It's 2 AM and I have a flight in 3 hours! No taxis handy, so I take a ride to my hotel with a random Russian dude the club grabbed for me (unwise in retrospect!) and shower and get straight on the plane! Whew, that was a bit nerve racking. But fortunately I had a lovely young lady in several positions and I now know the Russian strip club sex deal -- and so do you! It will serve me well on my next trip. But thats the subject of installment 2!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2480964]All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.

Russia. Moscow.

The Landscape.

Like all countries, many options exist. But in Russia I stick to the strip clubs. Please do not confuse these with the lame clubs you find in the US and elsewhere. The proper clubs in Moscow are set up for onsite sex; and the real purpose of the club is to broker that. You have to be a bit careful, because some clubs are look and feel only -- no sex -- so you need the secret decoder ring as to the ones that are best. Fortunately I will provide that for you!

Welcome to Russia. Escalation -- Zazhigalka, Golden Girls, and Korston.

My first time in Moscow, I didn't even know P4 P existed. My second time, I saw the light, but only via a new friend made from my glass-half-full optimism. I started out at a club that is just look and feel called Zazhigalka. As strip clubs go, it was very, very good and I had a blast. I arrived at 9, right when it opened, and I was the ONLY guy in the club. All eyes were on me! Probably 25 girls. Really sort of a 6-7 looks-rating kind of crowd -- no stunners, but some very pretty girls. Two girls hit me up (a 6 and an 8) and we had some great duo dances -- fully nude and no real restrictions on touching tits and ass or drinking while fully nude, unlike the US fully-nudes, which I find distinctly lame..[/QUOTE]Nice story! So, what was the damage with Ms iPhone and where was the deed consummated? Is that the only club you had sex with a girl inside the club?

I would be rushing to Moscow or Kiev or St Pete in a jiffy if I felt safe enough. I think we all agree Russian and Ukrainian girls are fucking hot. I was lucky enough with a few of them and had an amazing experience every single time.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480693]Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.[/QUOTE]There is something to do with German speaking part of the world and good prostitution, why? Elaborate if you can LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2480964]All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.

Russia. Moscow.

The Landscape.

Like all countries, many options exist. But in Russia I stick to the strip clubs. Please do not confuse these with the lame clubs you find in the US and elsewhere. The proper clubs in Moscow are set up for onsite sex; and the real purpose of the club is to broker that. You have to be a bit careful, because some clubs are look and feel only -- no sex -- so you need the secret decoder ring as to the ones that are best. Fortunately I will provide that for you!

Welcome to Russia. Escalation -- Zazhigalka, Golden Girls, and Korston.

My first time in Moscow, I didn't even know P4 P existed. My second time, I saw the light, but only via a new friend made from my glass-half-full optimism. I started out at a club that is just look and feel called Zazhigalka. As strip clubs go, it was very, very good and I had a blast. I arrived at 9, right when it opened, and I was the ONLY guy in the club. All eyes were on me! Probably 25 girls. Really sort of a 6-7 looks-rating kind of crowd -- no stunners, but some very pretty girls. Two girls hit me up (a 6 and an 8) and we had some great duo dances -- fully nude and no real restrictions on touching tits and ass or drinking while fully nude, unlike the US fully-nudes, which I find distinctly lame.[/QUOTE]Amazing work, good job! I used to hang out in the club called the night flight, I think it was called, it was good old days till I found FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480986]Nice story! So, what was the damage with Ms iPhone and where was the deed consummated? Is that the only club you had sex with a girl inside the club?

I would be rushing to Moscow or Kiev or St Pete in a jiffy if I felt safe enough. I think we all agree Russian and Ukrainian girls are fucking hot. I was lucky enough with a few of them and had an amazing experience every single time.[/QUOTE]Short answer is Korston is pretty low brow. Would not recommend after you know the alternatives. We did it in a side room on a beat up leather couch. It was pretty great at the time. Prices have gone up so those are best covered in Part 3 (skipping part 2 here) below. Only club detail covered in Part 2 (which includes semi naked Karaoke as the waitress brings platters of sushi and jack and coke!) is that ALL the girls in a Russian club are for hire. Not just the dancers — the hostesses, the bar maids, the waitresses! My epic sushi and jack experience was with a pair of hot barmaids!

Here is Part 3 with good detail on rooms and pricing.

Moscow Trifecta -- Aurora, Angels, Penthouse.

As mentioned above, the same guy owns several of these clubs. Although there are minor variations in layouts and the quality of the rooms, he has standardized everything else. Websites and both drink and girl pricing are identical. So it's really about location when you choose. Aurora, Penthouse, and Angels are all inside the city loop or nearly so, so these are easiest to get to. I call this the Moscow Trifecta. And, as I was previously in Moscow (above) and had done the Trifecta, but failed to pull an Aurora girl, I thought I'the give a fully consummated Trifecta a shot. I was not disappointed.

Oh before I get any farther a few important pro tips. First, if you go on their website there is a free entry code. You simply say it to the hostess and Bam you save the R2000 ($30 ish) entry. Did this all three nights — they did not change the code — and saved nearly $100. Sweet!

Second, apparently rooms are discounted 50% - R3000 ($40+) before 10 PM, which is not small change either. They open at nine. I did not know about this discount, nor expect to session before 10 but when you read encounter 3, you will see that I did and for good reason.

Third, like anywhere else, you can negotiate services with the girl. For some reason, this didn't occur to me till I had two CBJs; but it proved epically important in encounter three.

Aurora. JLo Look-alike Inga.

OK back to Aurora. I rolled in around 11, said "Brandy" (the passcode) to the hostess and was given free entry and a seat at the bar. Be forewarned that mixers and spirits are priced separately. So Jack is R650 and coke R500. It adds up over an evening. I settle in and scan the action. It was not explicitly stated, but when I have come in the past, the barmaids, waitresses and hostesses are equally available. So I scan all three in addition to the gogo hotties.

Of course I am sampling the dancers as they come by to offer me the lap dance, that I am tipping an apparently generous $3 for. And after a couple hours of this, I ended up getting danced on by a girl named Inga. Her face looks like Jennifer Lopez but super skinny and with a thinner, high cheekbones face. Clearly 30 ish but a ton of fun and good English. I tell her to come see me later and sure enough she is back later in a sexy black dress. She joins me and we talk quite a bit. Eventually we discuss price, which is R12000 for the girl and R6000 for the room. This appears to be standard, because it's exactly what all three girls at the three different clubs offered.

So I pay the waitress 6000 (this you could put on a card it seems) and she takes our drinks on a little tray and takes us to the room. I would say of the three clubs the Aurora room was the least nice, but still very nice. Generally high end and well mirrored with the bathroom down a notch from the other two. Still, nicer than 90% of the rooms you might come across in your career.

The in-room experience was about as expected with a very experienced girl. The CBJ surprised me a bit but I didn't protest (probably could have). And she is otherwise a wildcat. It was really all about fucking a whole lot and in various positions. A new one for me was me on knees, her legs over my shoulders and her fucking the hell out of me from the bottom.

Possibly the most interesting part of the visit was pillow talk and discussing her condoms vs mine. I'the brought Skyn which are not bad for a US brand. She'the brought purple-package Durex and had insisted on those. Afterwards she said that she and these other girls had executed a test of 8 different brands using the best blowjobber in the group and several guys and found that one to be best. We busted open one of hers and one of mine and compared and sure enough hers felt thinner / better (I was too spent for a dick-based test).

All in all a nice first experience this time in Russia. But each one was successively better.

Penthouse. Mid-eastern Hottie Anastasia.

The next night it was Penthouse. Penthouse is in a real toney part of the city with a nice bar / restaurant next door that was still hopping when I exited at 2 AM.

Arrived 1030 or eleven I suppose. And again said "Brandy" and went straight in for free. I decided to get a couch and table at R3000 which was really nice. Actually got same one as two years ago! Got a Jack and Coke and settled in.

Of course the usual parade of girls grinding on me for R200 each. The couch is really nice for this or for other girls who may approach to chat. Worth the R3000 I'the say. Now in addition to the Gogo dancers and waitresses I notice other beautiful ladies in short tight cocktail dress roaming. I think these are dancers with a wait for their shift. Anyhow they look super nice.

There is one lovely Asian girl in a sparkly black dress but I never seem to catch her eye. I even stalk her to the back bar area but she is always engaged with some Asian dude. (I think I was literally the only round eye in the place — not sure what was going on that night). I see another gorgeous girl in a beige / silver sparkle dress and have my eye on her.

I forgot to mention that at the top of the hour they do a girl parade of all the girls. And immediately following that, they put on a slow song and the girls look for dance partners. I'the done this at Aurora and nothing beats slow dancing with a pretty girl (if you must have your clothes on that is). Well Anastasia (beige sparkle) tries two guys but no go. As she is walking away from my area and trying to snag another guy, I literally chase her down and make her my girl. She seems VERY pleased and pulls in close. Lovely tight slow dance with her face buried in my neck. I am a complete sap for this kind of romance. Sigh. So lovely.

I can't recall why but I don't have the sense to drag her to my table but I continue to keep an eye on her all night. Lots of hotties I consider going with, but really having an epic time at $3/ pop and enjoying the vibe.

As it nears 1 AM, I start to think I'the better grab a hottie and there is Anastasia just over on a couch all alone. Just wallflowering it — no active game at all. So I go grab her hand and escort her back to my couch. We sit and cuddle and she is very affectionate but almost zero English. But wow. Solid 9 for sure. So we agree the same R18000, including room, as I had at Aurora. Here the format is that you separate and meet at the hotel downstairs in 5 minutes.

This is the same venue where I did my epic Sushi and Jack duo two years ago and the rooms are the nicest of the three venues. Best feature is a 8 feet by 8 feet shower that has a clear glass wall to the bedroom.

So after some nice light kiss and cuddle I head to the shower. And I can see she's now naked on the bed. I give her the "come on in" finger gesture and sure enough she joins me. Nice! She helps a bit with the soap up and I soap her tits and touch her pussy lightly. It's very nice but not passionate. Still, showering with a hot girl never sucks!

In the bed this is one hot and bothered girl! Again CBJ, which I don't love, but then I roll her over to work on her some. I spend a lot of time just kissing and licking her neck and tits. I discovered with Carolina (Casarao. Brazil) last year that some small-titted girls (she is a soft bee-cup) like their tits deeply sucked. And Anastasia is no exception. I suck each tit fully into my mouth and she moans and writhes. Although I lick my way down to her belly button I am surprised when she covers her pussy with her hand — no DATY. I respect that. Her loss, but she will make it back later!

So we fuck in all the usual positions and she has no problem with FIV which I adore. She is plenty worked up and sloppy from giving the BJ and has great pussy feel in all three positions. She is truly lovely in cowgirl — a ten for that view. After some serious doggie pounding I don't think I can make it go in the condom. So I pull out and roll her over and put her hand on her pussy.

She gets the message and starts working herself and I am of course working myself and enjoying the view. She prefers finger fucking which tends to cover the view but she is working to a REAL O which is very sexy. So I eventually drop my load on the sheets but she is still going. Never seen this before. She is totally lost in it and goes another solid ten minutes till she hits a shattering O. I just kind of hold her or work her tits a bit. But it's thrilling to watch.

A nice joint shower wind-down and off we go. Back in the club, I decide to just sit and enjoy it a bit rather than hit the hay. To my surprise, Anastasia, in full sparkle, comes to sit with me and cuddle. I order her another drink and we spend another companionable 15 or so minutes together snuggling. It is a really nice wind-down and then alas I must go.

I get her WhatsApp and contact her the next day. I inquire as to whether she will BBBJ and she declines. I kick myself a bit because I am pretty certain with the initial R12,000 dangling in front of her she would have said yes. Fortunately I am smarter by night three -- read on!

Angels. A True 9. 5 Tatyana.

Having a flight the next morning I decide to go a bit earlier. I am tempted to repeat with Anastasia—what a doll — but the guaranteed CBJ sends me packing. So Angels and a true Moscow Trifecta it shall be!

I arrive Angels around 935 or 940 (completely unaware of the room special). Again "Brandy" gets me in for free. I am thinking I might go for two rounds as this is my last night for a while and have the funds to do it. So I am drinking Red Bull Vodka to get me ready for the assault!

As usual, I have a seat at the bar. I am surprised by how LAZY the girls are here. There must be only 3 or 4 guys and probably 12-15 girls but they are all just laying around on the couches to the left. No one makes any move to approach the fresh new meat just placed before them at the bar.

So I am content to sip and watch the show. After maybe 10 minutes, a girl approaches — Tatyana. And whoa is she my type. I had been with a full-on 9. 5 at Scandallo in Brazil in July named Andressa. Andressa sent me 15 model pics after our night together so I have studied every curve and perfect imperfection. This girl Tatyana could have been her twin! She even had the pronounced bikini lines of a Brasileira come to find out.

Well she asks if I want a dance and I say sure. And it is sexy with lots of tit squeezing and considerably longer than normal. Despite this, I vow to try to resist going to the room. I've only been there 12 minutes!

She asks if I want to go to the room — while stroking my cock in full view of the rest of the girls — and it is hard to say no; but again, I just got there. When I say "no" she says baby I don't understand? And then says oh rooms are half off till ten. Well that got my attention. I mean who doesn't like saving $50 and all I have to do is cave to this 9. 5!

So, having learned my lesson earlier I had already keyed into Google translate: "Blowjob without a condom and I lick your pussy. OK?. " She reads the Russian translation and says yes number 2 but no number 1. Damn!

So I say I am sorry baby but I really can't go then. Pregnant pause. She says— OK we do number 1. Let's go! And, after paying only R3000 for the room, we head up two flights of stairs with our waitress carrying our drinks for us. It's good to be the king.

Before we go farther, pause and take in how easy it was to get BJ no condom -- I simply had to make it a deal breaker. I was prepared to walk and she caved in literally seconds. That's not to say this will happen every time, but often, if you are truly prepared to walk, the negotiation will go your way. This is true worldwide -- make clear what you want, be prepared to walk, and you will often get it.

In the room, what a sweetheart. No hard feelings over negotiation. No rushing. No cheating. Great girl. First we kiss and cuddle and then she helps me undress (love that) and then leads me by the hand to the shower. She then does full on bath prep like I've only had in Japan. I am not to do anything but enjoy, as she soaps me up, including armpits, dick, balls and taint. She gets me super clean and I soap her some too. Gives a nice preview blowjob too. I hope that is not the limit of her BBBJ though and oh my -- definitely not!

Back in the bed she puts me on my back. Now to be fair she is a careful girl and douses me in alcohol before proceeding. Totally worth it. She embarks on a top five BBBJ. She knows just how to do it -- lovely BLS, followed by shaft licking. Tongue tapping under the head. Full mouth for some pumps and then. Rinse repeat. OMFG. At least 20 minutes of this. It is pure heaven. She is a magician!

I consider finishing like this but decide to fuck her for a while. We start in cowgirl where she is extremely vocal but I totally believe her. Very sexy. I even think I might cum there. We switch to Mish. Same thing. Very vocal. Great feeling. Might cum but don't. Doggie is a little disappointing lacking feeling.

Lose the condom and after enduring a re-alcoholing (brrrr) we do more BBBJ. It remains spectacular but even more so after fucking. We probably go another 10 minutes at this. In the end I finish by hand while she licks and sucks my balls. Lovely.

When I cum she seems a bit exasperated. And I wonder if I got some on her face or mouth or what. But pretty quickly she says "I'm sorry" indicating she failed me by my needing to use my own hand. What a sweetheart. I tell her it's fine and how beautiful she is about ten times and all is good.

Final shower is just as good as prep -- she fully cleans me and my johnson and the boys. What a wonderful attentive girl.

I give her a $40 tip. What a trooper BBBJing for nearly the whole session and shower before and after. What a keeper. Got her WhatsApp! And she sent a pic the next day (most girls will) and no beer goggles at work here — she is a real cutie.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480986]Nice story! So, what was the damage with Ms iPhone and where was the deed consummated? Is that the only club you had sex with a girl inside the club?

I would be rushing to Moscow or Kiev or St Pete in a jiffy if I felt safe enough. I think we all agree Russian and Ukrainian girls are fucking hot. I was lucky enough with a few of them and had an amazing experience every single time.[/QUOTE]Short answer is Korston is pretty low brow. Would not recommend after you know the alternatives. We did it in a side room on a beat up leather couch. It was pretty great at the time. Prices have gone up so those are best covered in Part 3 (skipping part 2 here) below. Only club detail covered in Part 2 (which includes semi naked Karaoke as the waitress brings platters of sushi and jack and coke!) is that ALL the girls in a Russian club are for hire. Not just the dancers — the hostesses, the bar maids, the waitresses! My epic sushi and jack experience was with a pair of hot barmaids!

Here is Part 3 with good detail on rooms and pricing.

Moscow Trifecta -- Aurora, Angels, Penthouse.

As mentioned above, the same guy owns several of these clubs. Although there are minor variations in layouts and the quality of the rooms, he has standardized everything else. Websites and both drink and girl pricing are identical. So it's really about location when you choose. Aurora, Penthouse, and Angels are all inside the city loop or nearly so, so these are easiest to get to. I call this the Moscow Trifecta. And, as I was previously in Moscow (above) and had done the Trifecta, but failed to pull an Aurora girl, I thought I'the give a fully consummated Trifecta a shot. I was not disappointed.

Oh before I get any farther a few important pro tips. First, if you go on their website there is a free entry code. You simply say it to the hostess and Bam you save the R2000 ($30 ish) entry. Did this all three nights — they did not change the code — and saved nearly $100. Sweet!

Second, apparently rooms are discounted 50% - R3000 ($40+) before 10 PM, which is not small change either. They open at nine. I did not know about this discount, nor expect to session before 10 but when you read encounter 3, you will see that I did and for good reason.

Third, like anywhere else, you can negotiate services with the girl. For some reason, this didn't occur to me till I had two CBJs; but it proved epically important in encounter three.

Aurora. JLo Look-alike Inga.

OK back to Aurora. I rolled in around 11, said "Brandy" (the passcode) to the hostess and was given free entry and a seat at the bar. Be forewarned that mixers and spirits are priced separately. So Jack is R650 and coke R500. It adds up over an evening. I settle in and scan the action. It was not explicitly stated, but when I have come in the past, the barmaids, waitresses and hostesses are equally available. So I scan all three in addition to the gogo hotties.

Of course I am sampling the dancers as they come by to offer me the lap dance, that I am tipping an apparently generous $3 for. And after a couple hours of this, I ended up getting danced on by a girl named Inga. Her face looks like Jennifer Lopez but super skinny and with a thinner, high cheekbones face. Clearly 30 ish but a ton of fun and good English. I tell her to come see me later and sure enough she is back later in a sexy black dress. She joins me and we talk quite a bit. Eventually we discuss price, which is R12000 for the girl and R6000 for the room. This appears to be standard, because it's exactly what all three girls at the three different clubs offered.

So I pay the waitress 6000 (this you could put on a card it seems) and she takes our drinks on a little tray and takes us to the room. I would say of the three clubs the Aurora room was the least nice, but still very nice. Generally high end and well mirrored with the bathroom down a notch from the other two. Still, nicer than 90% of the rooms you might come across in your career.

The in-room experience was about as expected with a very experienced girl. The CBJ surprised me a bit but I didn't protest (probably could have). And she is otherwise a wildcat. It was really all about fucking a whole lot and in various positions. A new one for me was me on knees, her legs over my shoulders and her fucking the hell out of me from the bottom.

Possibly the most interesting part of the visit was pillow talk and discussing her condoms vs mine. I'the brought Skyn which are not bad for a US brand. She'the brought purple-package Durex and had insisted on those. Afterwards she said that she and these other girls had executed a test of 8 different brands using the best blowjobber in the group and several guys and found that one to be best. We busted open one of hers and one of mine and compared and sure enough hers felt thinner / better (I was too spent for a dick-based test).

All in all a nice first experience this time in Russia. But each one was successively better.

Penthouse. Mid-eastern Hottie Anastasia.

The next night it was Penthouse. Penthouse is in a real toney part of the city with a nice bar / restaurant next door that was still hopping when I exited at 2 AM.

Arrived 1030 or eleven I suppose. And again said "Brandy" and went straight in for free. I decided to get a couch and table at R3000 which was really nice. Actually got same one as two years ago! Got a Jack and Coke and settled in.

Of course the usual parade of girls grinding on me for R200 each. The couch is really nice for this or for other girls who may approach to chat. Worth the R3000 I'the say. Now in addition to the Gogo dancers and waitresses I notice other beautiful ladies in short tight cocktail dress roaming. I think these are dancers with a wait for their shift. Anyhow they look super nice.

There is one lovely Asian girl in a sparkly black dress but I never seem to catch her eye. I even stalk her to the back bar area but she is always engaged with some Asian dude. (I think I was literally the only round eye in the place — not sure what was going on that night). I see another gorgeous girl in a beige / silver sparkle dress and have my eye on her.

I forgot to mention that at the top of the hour they do a girl parade of all the girls. And immediately following that, they put on a slow song and the girls look for dance partners. I'the done this at Aurora and nothing beats slow dancing with a pretty girl (if you must have your clothes on that is). Well Anastasia (beige sparkle) tries two guys but no go. As she is walking away from my area and trying to snag another guy, I literally chase her down and make her my girl. She seems VERY pleased and pulls in close. Lovely tight slow dance with her face buried in my neck. I am a complete sap for this kind of romance. Sigh. So lovely.

I can't recall why but I don't have the sense to drag her to my table but I continue to keep an eye on her all night. Lots of hotties I consider going with, but really having an epic time at $3/ pop and enjoying the vibe.

As it nears 1 AM, I start to think I'the better grab a hottie and there is Anastasia just over on a couch all alone. Just wallflowering it — no active game at all. So I go grab her hand and escort her back to my couch. We sit and cuddle and she is very affectionate but almost zero English. But wow. Solid 9 for sure. So we agree the same R18000, including room, as I had at Aurora. Here the format is that you separate and meet at the hotel downstairs in 5 minutes.

This is the same venue where I did my epic Sushi and Jack duo two years ago and the rooms are the nicest of the three venues. Best feature is a 8 feet by 8 feet shower that has a clear glass wall to the bedroom.

So after some nice light kiss and cuddle I head to the shower. And I can see she's now naked on the bed. I give her the "come on in" finger gesture and sure enough she joins me. Nice! She helps a bit with the soap up and I soap her tits and touch her pussy lightly. It's very nice but not passionate. Still, showering with a hot girl never sucks!

In the bed this is one hot and bothered girl! Again CBJ, which I don't love, but then I roll her over to work on her some. I spend a lot of time just kissing and licking her neck and tits. I discovered with Carolina (Casarao. Brazil) last year that some small-titted girls (she is a soft bee-cup) like their tits deeply sucked. And Anastasia is no exception. I suck each tit fully into my mouth and she moans and writhes. Although I lick my way down to her belly button I am surprised when she covers her pussy with her hand — no DATY. I respect that. Her loss, but she will make it back later!

So we fuck in all the usual positions and she has no problem with FIV which I adore. She is plenty worked up and sloppy from giving the BJ and has great pussy feel in all three positions. She is truly lovely in cowgirl — a ten for that view. After some serious doggie pounding I don't think I can make it go in the condom. So I pull out and roll her over and put her hand on her pussy.

She gets the message and starts working herself and I am of course working myself and enjoying the view. She prefers finger fucking which tends to cover the view but she is working to a REAL O which is very sexy. So I eventually drop my load on the sheets but she is still going. Never seen this before. She is totally lost in it and goes another solid ten minutes till she hits a shattering O. I just kind of hold her or work her tits a bit. But it's thrilling to watch.

A nice joint shower wind-down and off we go. Back in the club, I decide to just sit and enjoy it a bit rather than hit the hay. To my surprise, Anastasia, in full sparkle, comes to sit with me and cuddle. I order her another drink and we spend another companionable 15 or so minutes together snuggling. It is a really nice wind-down and then alas I must go.

I get her WhatsApp and contact her the next day. I inquire as to whether she will BBBJ and she declines. I kick myself a bit because I am pretty certain with the initial R12,000 dangling in front of her she would have said yes. Fortunately I am smarter by night three -- read on!

Angels. A True 9. 5 Tatyana.

Having a flight the next morning I decide to go a bit earlier. I am tempted to repeat with Anastasia—what a doll — but the guaranteed CBJ sends me packing. So Angels and a true Moscow Trifecta it shall be!

I arrive Angels around 935 or 940 (completely unaware of the room special). Again "Brandy" gets me in for free. I am thinking I might go for two rounds as this is my last night for a while and have the funds to do it. So I am drinking Red Bull Vodka to get me ready for the assault!

As usual, I have a seat at the bar. I am surprised by how LAZY the girls are here. There must be only 3 or 4 guys and probably 12-15 girls but they are all just laying around on the couches to the left. No one makes any move to approach the fresh new meat just placed before them at the bar.

So I am content to sip and watch the show. After maybe 10 minutes, a girl approaches — Tatyana. And whoa is she my type. I had been with a full-on 9. 5 at Scandallo in Brazil in July named Andressa. Andressa sent me 15 model pics after our night together so I have studied every curve and perfect imperfection. This girl Tatyana could have been her twin! She even had the pronounced bikini lines of a Brasileira come to find out.

Well she asks if I want a dance and I say sure. And it is sexy with lots of tit squeezing and considerably longer than normal. Despite this, I vow to try to resist going to the room. I've only been there 12 minutes!

She asks if I want to go to the room — while stroking my cock in full view of the rest of the girls — and it is hard to say no; but again, I just got there. When I say "no" she says baby I don't understand? And then says oh rooms are half off till ten. Well that got my attention. I mean who doesn't like saving $50 and all I have to do is cave to this 9. 5!

So, having learned my lesson earlier I had already keyed into Google translate: "Blowjob without a condom and I lick your pussy. OK?. " She reads the Russian translation and says yes number 2 but no number 1. Damn!

So I say I am sorry baby but I really can't go then. Pregnant pause. She says— OK we do number 1. Let's go! And, after paying only R3000 for the room, we head up two flights of stairs with our waitress carrying our drinks for us. It's good to be the king.

Before we go farther, pause and take in how easy it was to get BJ no condom -- I simply had to make it a deal breaker. I was prepared to walk and she caved in literally seconds. That's not to say this will happen every time, but often, if you are truly prepared to walk, the negotiation will go your way. This is true worldwide -- make clear what you want, be prepared to walk, and you will often get it.

In the room, what a sweetheart. No hard feelings over negotiation. No rushing. No cheating. Great girl. First we kiss and cuddle and then she helps me undress (love that) and then leads me by the hand to the shower. She then does full on bath prep like I've only had in Japan. I am not to do anything but enjoy, as she soaps me up, including armpits, dick, balls and taint. She gets me super clean and I soap her some too. Gives a nice preview blowjob too. I hope that is not the limit of her BBBJ though and oh my -- definitely not!

Back in the bed she puts me on my back. Now to be fair she is a careful girl and douses me in alcohol before proceeding. Totally worth it. She embarks on a top five BBBJ. She knows just how to do it -- lovely BLS, followed by shaft licking. Tongue tapping under the head. Full mouth for some pumps and then. Rinse repeat. OMFG. At least 20 minutes of this. It is pure heaven. She is a magician!

I consider finishing like this but decide to fuck her for a while. We start in cowgirl where she is extremely vocal but I totally believe her. Very sexy. I even think I might cum there. We switch to Mish. Same thing. Very vocal. Great feeling. Might cum but don't. Doggie is a little disappointing lacking feeling.

Lose the condom and after enduring a re-alcoholing (brrrr) we do more BBBJ. It remains spectacular but even more so after fucking. We probably go another 10 minutes at this. In the end I finish by hand while she licks and sucks my balls. Lovely.

When I cum she seems a bit exasperated. And I wonder if I got some on her face or mouth or what. But pretty quickly she says "I'm sorry" indicating she failed me by my needing to use my own hand. What a sweetheart. I tell her it's fine and how beautiful she is about ten times and all is good.

Final shower is just as good as prep -- she fully cleans me and my johnson and the boys. What a wonderful attentive girl.

I give her a $40 tip. What a trooper BBBJing for nearly the whole session and shower before and after. What a keeper. Got her WhatsApp! And she sent a pic the next day (most girls will) and no beer goggles at work here — she is a real cutie.

Thank you Steve. Superb reports! Well done!

I was watching a documentary on count Dracula and it gave me a boner because of many Romanian actresses in the documentary. It is amazing how many Romanian stunner level young beauties I slept with LOL! It gave me very deep quiet satisfaction during watching the documentary.

Steve 9696,

Did you intend to post Part 2 and inadvertently posted Part 3 twice?

Why not post all this off-topic stuff in the Russia section (at least then they can also benefit from this information!) and then just post a link here in the German section?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2481075]I was watching a documentary on count Dracula and it gave me a boner because of many Romanian actresses in the documentary. It is amazing how many Romanian stunner level young beauties I slept with LOL! It gave me very deep quiet satisfaction during watching the documentary.[/QUOTE]Next time, ask one of them to take a sip.

EL: advice you to spend some weeks in Poland, Hungary, Slovenia. You will find even more natural beauties than in Romania just because the girls have a healthier life in those countries.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2481117]Steve 9696,

Did you intend to post Part 2 and inadvertently posted Part 3 twice?[/QUOTE]Don't know why it posted twice. I was only posting Part 3 because it had the most info. Happy to post Part 2 by popular demand but as you see some folks object to Russia in the German forum. Honestly I am just trying to help like-minded guys any way I can.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2481023]Amazing work, good job! I used to hang out in the club called the night flight, I think it was called, it was good old days till I found FKK LOL![/QUOTE]Mr Ho! So good to see you. I always enjoy your adventures and commentary. Yeah Night Flight has gone way downhill apparently. It was not the highlight of my trip. But serviceable. Here is an excerpt from Part 2 that covers Night Flight and one to stay away from — Rasputin.

So my next time in Moscow, I know the drill. I read up a bit and find that other clubs like Aurora, Angels, the Loft, and Penthouse offer full sex like Korston, but are perhaps a notch higher up on the looks ladder. No need for a Golden Girls warmup because the girls are pretty AND fuck. I also try out Night Flight and Rasputin, two clubs with a reputation for being all that a decade ago, but perhaps past their prime.

Sure enough Night Flight is NOT what you see on the web. On the web it's this vibrant fun club. In person, it is small and dark, with a few ladies perhaps a bit past their prime, but attractive nonetheless. Probably more a late 20's and 30's crowd, than the young, fresh girls at a Golden Girls say. The unique thing about Night Flight is it is take out (thus the name). You pick your girl, pay a small barfine and off you go.

So in my traditional "go with the flow" mode, this is more of an adventure than planned. I sit down with a girl who is my type, but perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste. But I was in a hurry that night so we chat a bit, agree price and off we go. But the interesting part is she says "I drove to work, so we can just take my car" and of course I say "sure".

Well, this is where you all are going "oooh bad idea I can see where this is headed". Actually, no. It's just fine. She has a small compact hatchback which we walk to and we drive to my hotel uneventfully. We breeze past the front desk and have two solid rounds. She's quite the wizard on the BJ, since she insists on CBJ and yet we get it done both times. So I won't write off Night Flight for everyone -- it's just not as awesome as depicted on the web, but you can have a nice night with a pretty-enough girl who's maybe a 6-7.

Rasputin, on the other hand, gets one star! I can't remember all the details except it takes a long time to find a girl I would bother with and when we go private, she won't even let me touch her tits. I mean more lame than the US -- which is mega lame! Do not go to Rasputin.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481129]Why not post all this off-topic stuff in the Russia section (at least then they can also benefit from this information!) and then just post a link here in the German section?[/QUOTE]If you're going to post this much about the action in another country, then the information should really be placed in the appropriate thread where people who want to know about that place can benefit, with a link from here to there for those who visit FKKs who want in-depth details on Moscow and Russia. We had the same thing with long posts about London being posted here in an FKK thread.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480958]More than 150, mostly Russian, escorts, only in Paris, and they do legal job according to French law. So difficult to find, just have to be blind. And not anymore golden years, when really difficult for me to find attractive looks now, when had so many beauties since 2011 and Russian nights. Unfortunately, escorting is now almost dead in Nice, Milano, Torino. Russian escorts are touring in Brussels and also Hungarian pornstar Zafira. Of course, can find girls in Czech Republic and Poland close to German border. Just have to know a bit.[/QUOTE]Are you finding this online or in person?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2480964]All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.[/QUOTE]How well does my Russian need to be visit Moscow? Are the clubs good in St. Petersburg? I enjoy your writing. What other countries have you visited?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2481168]Mr Ho! So good to see you. I always enjoy your adventures and commentary. Yeah Night Flight has gone way downhill apparently. It was not the highlight of my trip. But serviceable. Here is an excerpt from Part 2 that covers Night Flight and one to stay away from Rasputin.

So my next time in Moscow, I know the drill. I read up a bit and find that other clubs like Aurora, Angels, the Loft, and Penthouse offer full sex like Korston, but are perhaps a notch higher up on the looks ladder. No need for a Golden Girls warmup because the girls are pretty AND fuck. I also try out Night Flight and Rasputin, two clubs with a reputation for being all that a decade ago, but perhaps past their prime.

Sure enough Night Flight is NOT what you see on the web. On the web it's this vibrant fun club. In person, it is small and dark, with a few ladies perhaps a bit past their prime, but attractive nonetheless. Probably more a late 20's and 30's crowd, than the young, fresh girls at a Golden Girls say. The unique thing about Night Flight is it is take out (thus the name). You pick your girl, pay a small barfine and off you go.

So in my traditional "go with the flow" mode, this is more of an adventure than planned. I sit down with a girl who is my type, but perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste. But I was in a hurry that night so we chat a bit, agree price and off we go. But the interesting part is she says "I drove to work, so we can just take my car" and of course I say "sure".[/QUOTE]I liked night flight because it is just down the road of Ritz Carlton Moscow where I used to stay, so I could walk there in 15 minutes. I never felt safe to move around in Moscow by those put your hand up taxi, and most of time, they are just civilian driver acting taxi, well it is good old days back in 2009 till I found FKK and oddly enough, last time I went to night flight was on my way to Berlin during my transit at Moscow LOL In that trip I found FKK Artemis and I never returned to night flight or any mongering in Moscow LOL! When I used to go there long ago, it was pretty good.

However, I been to Moscow after just for visit, and what interested me are these beautiful ladies just hanging alone in 5 star hotel bar, I had a feeling that they are prostitute, but I was not sure, so I did not approach, but anyways, it would be more than 50 euro or 60 euro per 30 min, so I stick to German FKK LOL! But it was good old days LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2481169]If you're going to post this much about the action in another country, then the information should really be placed in the appropriate thread where people who want to know about that place can benefit, with a link from here to there for those who visit FKKs who want in-depth details on Moscow and Russia. We had the same thing with long posts about London being posted here in an FKK thread.[/QUOTE]Hi did post these reports in the Russia Thread. I am glad that he posted them here so at least there is something to read, as nothing is going on in German FKKs, and I would normally never look at the Russia thread. Also, this is the Lounge and Chat area, so there is wider latitude as to what to post. Let's not discourage people from posting info. Easy enough to just skip if of no interest.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480669]On those points we agree. I am fortunate to have a group of escorts I see regularly who fall more into the category you describe, at least in private. In fact, I was discussing a favorite travel destination with one of them and she wanted to make sure the sex workers took female customers since she is very bi and sometimes purchases sex herself when a pickup is not available. She has an enormous network of escorts where she works and they apparently regularly have sex with each other. My kind of girl.

I think the escort scene in the USA Is losing talent to the Sugar Baby scene. Not entirely, but enough to matter. But just like several of us were posting about the New York City multi-girl incall (essentially brothel) scene that once existed but is now gone, a person has to adapt to the never ending changes. Hopefully, the German FKK scene never changes, but it could. That ridiculous German politician who once practiced medicine, I think his name is Karl, harps constantly about Trafficking in the legal German system. Of course he is full of shit, but if there are ever any changes to the German legal situation, everyone will have to go with the flow. Commercial sex would still be available, but the mechanism to obtain it would be different.[/QUOTE]His name is Karl Lauterbach of SPD. He is not the only one who wants to ban prostitution. He been rather quiet since he and 15 other politicians called for prostitution ban back in May. Maybe it's just some political bullshit? I mentioned earlier that the German Federal government did a study on the Swedish and the study concluded that it would be worse for sex workers according to a guy who summarized it.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2481215]Are you finding this online or in person?[/QUOTE]Before discovering what were FKK on end of 2012, when I came back from Moscow / Peter on December 2010 after my night with Olga, dancer in Golden ladies on Nevski, for 400 USD, and my big fault not to keep her with me on next day and next night before leaving, but since beginning of 2011, had so many Russian escorts in Paris, game was to meet them out of agency, more interesting. Drove to some to Milano, Torino. I drove Paris Milano and back on the day, through icy Gran San Bernardino for Tatar Zoya, when I promised to return to her, but she was attacked in Paris and left. Some guys attacked escorts to rob money. Unfortunately, even still many Russian escorts in Paris, but not so pretty than before and very difficult for me now to find one attractive, same like in FKK, but I need only 1. Russian escorts take bus for 4 days to come to Paris at the moment. More and more Russians are now tattooed, from porn culture, or silicon, when I'm attracted by virgin looks, to find now in deep Russia.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2481231]Hi did post these reports in the Russia Thread. I am glad that he posted them here so at least there is something to read, as nothing is going on in German FKKs, and I would normally never look at the Russia thread. Also, this is the Lounge and Chat area, so there is wider latitude as to what to post. Let's not discourage people from posting info. Easy enough to just skip if of no interest.[/QUOTE]Nobody is discouraging anybody from posting. Rather, we all should be encouraged to post in the appropriate sections. If he posted in the Moscow section good, and if he thought people here who never look at the Russia threads might be interested, then again he could have and should have posted a link from here to there. We have some posting discipline and etiquette, and everyone is happy. Is that so hard? I agree that in the lounge there should be more latitude in topics, but it's still possible to take it too far, especially when there are already existing, established threads on the exact same subject. So yes, let's all be encouraged to post of course. But if you have a lot to say on a particular subject or region or city or whatever, please let's put that in the threads that are set up for those subjects. I'm sure Steve understands as he was annoyed at people posting here about the pandemic. I personally feel that was far more appropriate for a thread like this versus going on and on about London, Moscow, or Brazil. Well, eventually threads were set up specifically for discussions around the virus, and we can see posters respecting that. We got those threads in part from complaints from people like Steve. Now, some of us here would appreciate it if he would show others the same kind of consideration. That's all.

FKK Paradise in Saarbrcken opens on Monday, Sept. 7. It is close to French border.

[URL]https://www.fkkparadise.de[/URL]


Steve 9696,

Nice reports. Thank you. I was contemplating to monger in Russia for a while and then found out it is pain in the ass to get Russian Visa with US passport.

My questions to you are:

Is any easier way to get Russian visa?

Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?

I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?

Thanks a lot.

For sure, speaking Russian is a very big plus with real Russian or even Ukrainian, Latvian, Belarus, Estonian, Lithuanian girls who feel much more comfortable then, opening with big smile, and big help for sweet words for intimacy. And a Russian girl speaking Russian in bed is so erotic.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2481134]Next time, ask one of them to take a sip.[/QUOTE]They get to taste my sperm nowadays LOL!

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481281]FKK Paradise in Saarbrcken opens on Monday, Sept. 7. It is close to French border.

[URL]https://www.fkkparadise.de[/URL]


Steve 9696,

Nice reports. Thank you. I was contemplating to monger in Russia for a while and then found out it is pain in the ass to get Russian Visa with US passport.

My questions to you are:

Is any easier way to get Russian visa?

Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?

I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Sorry no visa tips. Mine is a business visa.

Try messaging Dramafree11 for Russia non-club tips. He seems to love the incall scene in Moscow and Ukraine. I prefer to meet girls in a club when I can. You might just poke the Moscow or Kiev thread — he is probably reading it.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481281]Is any easier way to get Russian visa?

Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?

I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Perhaps try Ukraine. I had no visa requirement. Flew in with prebooked transportation from airport to avoid the ripoff taxis. Seemed like 60% of the ladies in the clubs I visited were working, many ladies available via Tinder and some of the most beautiful redheads I have ever seen.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2480954]I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.[/QUOTE]I visited the Czech Republic in 2008 and had a great time there with beautiful Czech and Slovak women. I really enjoyed my summer visits to France in the early 2000's and had relations with sexy French women at Cap D'Agde beach. I had fun times in Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands in the 90's.

"But perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste" haha. I love this! Thanks for making my day.

EL: Forget online, young, fresh sexy natural and no pro girls are not online, you have to go to Starbucks, KFC. To make contacts, to seduce and after that if you are not too stupid and ugly the things can happen. Online in Hungary, Poland. You have only pro mostly from Romania, Moldavia.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2481272]Nobody is discouraging anybody from posting. Rather, we all should be encouraged to post in the appropriate sections. If he posted in the Moscow section good, and if he thought people here who never look at the Russia threads might be interested, then again he could have and should have posted a link from here to there. We have some posting discipline and etiquette, and everyone is happy. Is that so hard? I agree that in the lounge there should be more latitude in topics, but it's still possible to take it too far, especially when there are already existing, established threads on the exact same subject. So yes, let's all be encouraged to post of course. But if you have a lot to say on a particular subject or region or city or whatever, please let's put that in the threads that are set up for those subjects. I'm sure Steve understands as he was annoyed at people posting here about the pandemic. I personally feel that was far more appropriate for a thread like this versus going on and on about London, Moscow, or Brazil. Well, eventually threads were set up specifically for discussions around the virus, and we can see posters respecting that. We got those threads in part from complaints from people like Steve. Now, some of us here would appreciate it if he would show others the same kind of consideration. That's all.[/QUOTE]Well articulated, Mr. Cane. IMO, there is a reason members post against thread discipline. This site is another social media, and it becomes a habit and people make friends, rivals, have arguments. This is another "Cheers" for many. Guys who have been posting in German threads know the names of other members (handles anyway) that also frequent this location, and there is some comfort factor. We all post and expect some feedback and the feedback is more meaningful when it comes from members whose names we recognize (even if none of us know other members personally, they are handles we have seen for a while. Such as Bfsie, McAdonis, Cane, Sirioja, Gino, Steve9696 etc. A year ago, most of these names were new to me, now I see them, recognize them, and I am drawn to this niche of ISG more than the Brazil threads or Thai threads. So, I am guilty of the same things Steve has done or others have. I regularly post about sugar babe experiences in this thread but now we do have a separate thread for sugar babes in another part of ISG. Why do I do it? Because I recognize the member names in German thread (more than in the seeking arrangement thread), feel more comfortable posting here, and violate thread discipline.

It is an explanation, not meant to be a rationalization. I already said you make a valid argument in your comment above.

Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.

The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.

If they do get a good vaccine, and so far the UK / Oxford variant is looking promising, and if they manage to get it distributed without greed and beggar thy neighbor screwing the whole thing up, I predict a massive surge in low cost airlines, hotels and FKKs. With low cost fuel / oil price, lots of unemployed pilots and crew, a huge number of empty aircraft sitting idle in deserts and storage places and leasing companies and others desperate for yield, it will be a golden time of pent up demand and shift in mentality that things are always available and can be put off. People will live more in the here and now. Especially for the post packaged and tactically planned post bankruptcy big law and / or accounting firms and all sorts of non-public mispriced derivatives. Add to that the usual free money from the USA Fed doled out to the USA majors.

Some possible opportunities include JETS (ETF), Alaska (ALK), South West (LUV), WIZZ: LN (expensive stock), Ryan Air (RYA: ID), AirAsia Bhd (AIRA. KL) and AirAsia X Bhd (AIRX. KL) (both risky because of opaque accounting). Readers here may be able to make money for FKK discretionary expenditure and own what they fly on. Similarly priced travel industries NOT aimed at the corporate sector, such as budget hotel chains may also be a play. But that is indirect. Why not take it all the way, as contemplated by the French writer Michel Houellebecq in his book Platform envisaged a Club Med style FKK (Eldorador Aphrodite) that drew together serious finance, organization and mainstream ? But what if this was done near major population centers ?

AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME?

The Paradise group is in bankruptcy, but I do not know of anyway to buy it, though it would be cool if it got listed on an exchange. An properly managed FKK stock and company, getting the low-lifes out of it, I predict, would do really well. I only know of one or two examples, the Daily Planet on the Australian ASX is no longer, but was no good because of lack of governance and dodgy management. I think a very long time ago the Mustang Ranch in Nevada tried for an IPO but could be wrong. Basically they are a real estate play. The problem is the operators skim out all the profits from the real estate. If both were combined with honest management and taken mainstream, it would be a good investment, and I'll be easy to get customers and the girls the invest in what they literally use and touch. Why not allow the girls to buy stock at 5% discount? And pensioners will also love it. Yield and fun. Not only that, good management would enable competitive pricing against the short term, opportunistic sleaze bag owners skimming off the cash. They regularly self-destruct from tax evasion because they take it too far.

Well run cash flow and reserves allows cost-leveling, better price competition and done the right way offering equity to the actual participants would differentiate the club to the more sensible girls who could see a serious play and have something to show at the end of their career, something that is real and the oldest business model in the world.

Just as gays came out of the closet, maybe it is time for FKK's ownership and governance to become serious, kick out the sleaze, go mainstream and treat it no no differently from a gym or restaurant chain. Prisons are publicly traded. Why not something as harmless and natural as sex? There are oceans of capital sloshing around looking for yield. The clubs are easy to build (or buy out existing ones), have strong daily cash flow with close to zero receivables and bad debt. Plenty of young women who need income and / or somewhere to invest it, and the service is a simple, relatively affordable and natural joy that typically does well in uncertain economic times (like chocolate and small treats). Furthermore, FKKs may take the place of social contact in a greatlty reduced physical office world of telecommuters.

Am I completely crazy?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2481353]Well articulated, Mr. Cane. IMO, there is a reason members post against thread discipline. This site is another social media, and it becomes a habit and people make friends, rivals, have arguments. It is an explanation, not meant to be a rationalization. I already said you make a valid argument in your comment above.[/QUOTE]Well, it's always nice to make new friends.

Steve 9696 and Chongmal,

Thanks a lot. I will check Russia and Ukraine threads further.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481354]Am I completely crazy?[/QUOTE]No, you're not crazy. It's the "sane" world that's crazy. If only things worked the way you picture it. Knowing what a cash cow a good FKK can be, I would definitely buy stock and invest! And patronize too. I mean, if you own a part of it, then you may as well be a little "hands-on" to make sure the business is up to customer standards right? LOLOLOL!

The legal reason that this idea doesn't seem to work is that almost all countries, even those with legal and regulated systems, is that it is illegal to live off of the earnings or avails of a prostitute. It is usually within the Pimping statutes.

Hopefully someone with knowledge of German law can point out whether or not this provision exists. I would be willing to be that it does. The way around it is rentals and services. I think some have mentioned that an FKK lady has to pay a certain amount of "rent" for using the facility whether or not she books any customers. Most jurisdictions where the activity is legal are okay with a lady having higher "rents" or shared facility costs if she uses the facility "relatively more", I. E. , she has paying customers, so she pays a certain amount of her per-session revenue to the facility. I say rents, but it can also be lodging. Parts of Spain actually govern their legal but regulated brothel system through the hotel statutes. The sex worker pays short term lodging costs for renting a room within the brothel, sometimes for as short as 30 minutes. In these legal but regulated system, the sex worker is allowed to hire services, so those doing scheduling, protecting and cleaning for the sex worker are not living off of her earnings. Her true earnings come after she pays those business expenses. The obvious issue is whether the accumulation of dividends and share price appreciation by a shareholder of a publicly-traded Brothel or FKK would be violating the laws against living off of the earnings or avails of a prostitute. That is quite a bit different than earning rent / lodging fees or providing services to the sex worker. I suspect no financial organization or stock brokerage would go near such an IPO, but maybe I am wrong.

The Mustang Ranch proposed IPO seems to have been an attempt for the legendary Joe Conforte to get a ruling from other government agencies stating that his company could not go public for similar reasons to what I just wrote. The IRS ridiculously asserted that the ladies were employees of his company, which would have even violated Nevada state law that clearly holds them to be independent contractors. It was not a serious IPO and it didn't even go far enough for him to get the written memos from other agencies that he was obviously fishing for. Eventually, this dispute was wrapped into many of his other tax and money laundering issues, and he fled to South America before he could be arrested. While the "Employee Payroll Tax" liability was nonsense, he likely was guilty / liable for many other tax debts and banking violations. Eventually the USA Government seized the property and auctioned it off to new owners. Much of what is written about the case by right-wing commentators is nonsense.

[URL]http://www.uscoles.com/mustangranch.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20160307/NEWS/801244547[/URL]

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481354]Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.

The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481354]Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.

The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.

If they do get a good vaccine, and so far the UK / Oxford variant is looking promising, and if they manage to get it distributed without greed and beggar thy neighbor screwing the whole thing up, I predict a massive surge in low cost airlines, hotels and FKKs. With low cost fuel / oil price, lots of unemployed pilots and crew, a huge number of empty aircraft sitting idle in deserts and storage places and leasing companies and others desperate for yield, it will be a golden time of pent up demand and shift in mentality that things are always available and can be put off. People will live more in the here and now. Especially for the post packaged and tactically planned post bankruptcy big law and / or accounting firms and all sorts of non-public mispriced derivatives. Add to that the usual free money from the USA Fed doled out to the USA majors.

Some possible opportunities include JETS (ETF), Alaska (ALK), South West (LUV), WIZZ: LN (expensive stock), Ryan Air (RYA: ID), AirAsia Bhd (AIRA. KL) and AirAsia X Bhd (AIRX. KL) (both risky because of opaque accounting). Readers here may be able to make money for FKK discretionary expenditure and own what they fly on. Similarly priced travel industries NOT aimed at the corporate sector, such as budget hotel chains may also be a play. But that is indirect. Why not take it all the way, as contemplated by the French writer Michel Houellebecq in his book Platform envisaged a Club Med style FKK (Eldorador Aphrodite) that drew together serious finance, organization and mainstream ? But what if this was done near major population centers ?[/QUOTE]Most or even all of these brothel or escort organizations are managed by dodgy management and owners or they have one foot in dodgy world, it is somehow the nature of its business and it comes with territory, sadly; But if it is managed by proper corporation like management, it will be better, but maybe it won't be as kinky as we want it to be.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481354]Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.

The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.[/QUOTE]And separate from the true legal issues in my previous post are practical issues.

One of which is also a legal issue.

Normally the reasons for going public is to raise more money. Of course the founders sell some of their stock at a big profit, but from the company's perspective it is a need for more money and publicity.

I know the guys in the FKK forum like a big facility with lots of amenities. But I don't find that to be the trend worldwide.

I mentioned Spain, but if you look at the number of reviews and the customer satisfaction, the "shared private apartment", which is really a privately owned cooperative with the ladies themselves being the owners, is blowing away the larger legal / regulated Spanish brothels operating under the hotel statutes. There are Just a few ladies in the shared private apartment facility at a time, so they don't need public equity investments. You have to consider that all a lady needs to be a sex worker in the modern era is a cell phone and the internet to take out an ad. The overhead of a big facility may not be a good thing from an investment perspective.

Now I realize that FKKs have a lot of amenities that places in Spain do not, but a lot of posters have indicated that zoning approvals for big, new facilities are unlikely in the current political environment. So what are you going to do with all that money? Expand and refurbish the existing facilities? Are you going to then charge a higher entrance fee? I am not sure those amenities would be worth the higher price to most customers.

The other way to make more money and give a return to shareholders is to increase prices and / or increase foot traffic (traffic is probably not the best term to use). Recent price increases have not been too popular with ISG members, so I am skeptical of that approach. And you have an enormous problem if the current system of ladies accepting tips to ignore the mandatory CBJ rule continues. When upper-level management of a publicly-traded company knows and therefore participates in a scheme to violate the law, most countries impose huge fines that decrease shareholder returns. So that leaves increasing revenue by filling more rooms with an abundance of sex workers and doing enough advertising to entice guys worldwide who were otherwise unaware of the existence of FKKs to travel to Germany. Not sure that is going to work, since most media outlets have a policy of refusing sexually-oriented advertising. And trying to actively recruit sex workers to go to Germany to work would violate the laws of many localities.

Can someone enlighten me please? I have read the reports in the Artemis thread and the club is clearly open. Looks like the same in Bavaria. Why are the clubs in NRW and Hessen not opening? If they are doing so, can anyone say when for certain? Thanks.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481354]Am I completely crazy?[/QUOTE]Maybe. But from experience I have a feeling that putting something on the stock exchange will just enhance the drive upwards in terms of squeezing more and more money from the customer. The newfound stakeholders would demand theirs, and this would in turn ruin the entire model. The size of the largest establishments would have to be so that there could be competition between two clubs, and a national bureau would therefore have to regulate the prices. Thus making investments not as great.

State run brothels / FKK's are thus far more likely, as that also removes the pimp question.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2481381]No, you're not crazy. It's the "sane" world that's crazy. If only things worked the way you picture it. Knowing what a cash cow a good FKK can be, I would definitely buy stock and invest! And patronize too. I mean, if you own a part of it, then you may as well be a little "hands-on" to make sure the business is up to customer standards right? LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Sane world claim they are sane to jerk off to beautiful girls in porn videos, but not to fuck them and criticize mongers and we mongers think they are insane, so let call that relationship even LOL!

Only down side is that we mongers have to hide our real selves during our daily lives as I am certain that so called self claimed normal people do not like us saying, I've just been to Germany for holiday and fucked like 15 young beautiful stunners in the place called FKK LOL! They want to hear some thing like, I've just been to Germany and I went to many museums LOL! Well I need more than that in my life LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481332]I visited the Czech Republic in 2008 and had a great time there with beautiful Czech and Slovak women. I really enjoyed my summer visits to France in the early 2000's and had relations with sexy French women at Cap D'Agde beach. I had fun times in Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands in the 90's.[/QUOTE]In 2000's, let stick to Germany LOL! Or Zurich, there is something in Germany speaking part and eros LOL!

The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.

Paradise should have made a fortune, but as the documentary "Mega Brothel" explains, it expanded too much and ran too much debt, and could not get enough customers. Part of that was greed rather than price-demand optimization curves of start low, hook 'them, and reel them in with gradual price increases rather than a naive "must balance the pro-forma now". Listing a company is not so much to raise capital, but to create a base of evangelists and normalize the industry as a real business rather than run by dodgy owners. It blew up because of tax evasion (greed) on top of an already suspect business. Imagine a well run, strong governance company with transparency where punters and the girls (past and future) are owners and with "skin in the game" (literally and figuratively) keep a beady eye on operations and introduce repeat business discipline rather than short term profits (ie where bean counters are mean spirited and kill the golden goose). This has never been done as far as I know. My basic idea is: take out the sleazy people, provide a responsible, steady dividend that is shared. Stockholders get theirs. Governments get theirs. Punters and girls can earn points and trade for equity, or buy direct. It is their club, and they will look after it, just as condo owners protect common property and talk up their condo complex.

The real message is: those that play have a real interest, not a hit and run, fickle punt. This is the same concept behind frequent flyer points, but here, people get real quarterly dividend checks.

SKIN IN THE GAME!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2481057]Short answer is Korston is pretty low brow. Would not recommend after you know the alternatives. We did it in a side room on a beat up leather couch. It was pretty great at the time. Prices have gone up so those are best covered in Part 3 (skipping part 2 here) below. Only club detail covered in Part 2 (which includes semi naked Karaoke as the waitress brings platters of sushi and jack and coke!) is that ALL the girls in a Russian club are for hire. Not just the dancers the hostesses, the bar maids, the waitresses! My epic sushi and jack experience was with a pair of hot barmaids!

Here is Part 3 with good detail on rooms and pricing..[/QUOTE]Thanks Steve for sharing this with us. Really enjoyed reading it. Never been to Russia but this gives good insights into what to expect. I have heard that visa can be hassle for US citizens, but will take a look at Russian forums for more details. Thanks!!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481455]The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.

Paradise should have made a fortune, but as the documentary "Mega Brothel" explains, it expanded too much and ran too much debt, and could not get enough customers. Part of that was greed rather than price-demand optimization curves of start low, hook 'them, and reel them in with gradual price increases rather than a naive "must balance the pro-forma now". Listing a company is not so much to raise capital, but to create a base of evangelists and normalize the industry as a real business rather than run by dodgy owners. It blew up because of tax evasion (greed) on top of an already suspect business. Imagine a well run, strong governance company with transparency where punters and the girls (past and future) are owners and with "skin in the game" (literally and figuratively) keep a beady eye on operations and introduce repeat business discipline rather than short term profits (ie where bean counters are mean spirited and kill the golden goose). This has never been done as far as I know. My basic idea is: take out the sleazy people, provide a responsible, steady dividend that is shared. Stockholders get theirs. Governments get theirs. Punters and girls can earn points and trade for equity, or buy direct. It is their club, and they will look after it, just as condo owners protect common property and talk up their condo complex.[/QUOTE]Then there goes some of us mongers who fly half the way around this planet to attend nights of sexual fantasies LOL, but it is worth every mile and every euro we spent LOL! Every cent we do not spend on beautiful young prostitute at stunner levels are waste of money and waste of life LOL!

I mean what else are there? Good food, good travelling and young beautiful girls one after another, this is men's dream come true LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481455]The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.[/QUOTE]So how do you handle BBBJs in your system?

A saving grace of FKKs, as opposed to more traditional German brothels, including Paradise, has been the fact that being a regular, or doing a tip, still gets Johns a BBBJ in spite of the CBJ law. Of course escorts will do what they choose in their private incall or in the customer's hotel room. And the supposedly sleazy current management of the FKKs, including some reported motorcycle club-type folks, will look the other way regarding BBBJs. I am doubtful that will happen in your REIT / Operating Company structure even if the shareholders own the REIT. The landlord still has an obligation to make sure no crimes occur on the property. So better nix those reviews regarding BBBJ, which will of course hurt marketing. The older a guy gets, the more important that a BBBJ is for an erection, and the older guys have the money. That older guy is just going to get a Sugar Baby instead of shelling out the money for a Europe trip if he knows he is going to get stuck with a CBJ at your publicly-traded FKK.

PahllusMaximus, sir, I read each and every post of yours word to word, and it gives me the experience of a short-term teleportation to a mysterious magical world inhibited by a better evolved civilization. I thank you for that. If a marriage certificate could expire in 30 minutes we might solved all sorts of legality issues with prostitution. Quantitatively, what is the difference between quick fuck with a woman in a private room or being married to her at a conjoined housing for 30 years? All multiplied by time spent together plus minus minor adjustments. Second grade math. Satisfy moral beliefs of puritanistic society by accepting a girl writing down her name at a publically traded FKK to be an official signage of a dinky marriage certification. Sworn by a theke, witnessed by video surveillance and the next couple waiting for a key at the reception.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481455]The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.

Paradise should have made a fortune, but as the documentary "Mega Brothel" explains, it expanded too much and ran too much debt, and could not get enough customers. Part of that was greed rather than price-demand optimization curves of start low, hook 'them, and reel them in with gradual price increases rather than a naive "must balance the pro-forma now".[/QUOTE]Sex forum turned cloud funding LOL, but in reality, I think to be the owner of German FKK, you got to be one foot into shady world or you will face problems from both shady people and also from all kind of government including police which is the real mafia LOL.

It is curious industry, but I do think there are a lot of their own rule in this industry which do not welcome new comer LOL As an example, there was a big plan and actual construction for new big FKK near Potsdam in Berlin, construction stopped half way and now plan is long gone, why? I can only guess for my own misery as it would be ideal to have second big FKK in Berlin LOL!

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2481463]So how do you handle BBBJs in your system?

A saving grace of FKKs, as opposed to more traditional German brothels, including Paradise, has been the fact that being a regular, or doing a tip, still gets Johns a BBBJ in spite of the CBJ law. Of course escorts will do what they choose in their private incall or in the customer's hotel room. And the supposedly sleazy current management of the FKKs, including some reported motorcycle club-type folks, will look the other way regarding BBBJs. I am doubtful that will happen in your REIT / Operating Company structure even if the shareholders own the REIT. [/QUOTE]Why would the managers of a public company care about a practice that only happens behind closed doors? BBBJ and other illegal activities would continue as before.

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2481516]Why would the managers of a public company care about a practice that only happens behind closed doors? BBBJ and other illegal activities would continue as before.[/QUOTE]It is not illegal because we fell in love during the act LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2481419]Can someone enlighten me please? I have read the reports in the Artemis thread and the club is clearly open. Looks like the same in Bavaria. Why are the clubs in NRW and Hessen not opening? If they are doing so, can anyone say when for certain? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Also Saarland try to open, when prostitution is forbidden in NRW. Different lander, different problems, different decision. But for all opened, mask.

Sorry to be the Debbie Downer for today, but this whole stock market idea seems like a pipe dream to me.

If you are thinking of a private partnership where some mongers pool their money and buy a club or a few clubs, fine that is doable. I am sure the idea of being owners and consumers of these fuck franchises is appealing. Who hasn't dreamt of it?

But if the idea is extended beyond a private partnership to listing on a real exchange, it is a non starter.

Companies go public for a few reasons. First, access to capital markets. Secondly, owners (investors) have transparent pricing of their asset and can enter and exit the position as they wish when they wish. The trade off is that there are real expenses to being listed. These expenses are a deterrent for smaller companies to get listed. There is a reason the neighborhood mom and pop pizza is not listed on the market but Dominoes or McDonald's are. An additional $250 K fee as an example for various audits, filing fee, meeting compliance requirements which have increased with Dodd Frank, would not be a problem for a company with annual revenue of $200 M but might be a problem for a smaller company with small profit margin.

Right off the bat, specifics are important. Some info which is needed but I do not know this info and reading these pages for a year or more now, I get the sense most members here also do not know. (A) who are the current owners of various clubs and are they willing to sell their clubs and if so at what price (b) what are the financials of these clubs, such as annual revenues, fixed and variable costs, profit margins, growth and maintenance capex, and how do they scale. For instance what would be revenue and margin for Sharks, for dolce Vita and for Bernds and if Sharks could grow revenues by say 20% how much would profit margin expand? . (C) are there synergies if owning more than one club and what would they be (d) what are the required licenses and how difficult is it to obtain a license? Assume for now that you are able to attract girls and customers for this part of the discussion.

I think it makes sense to restrict this discussion to Germany, as this becomes even more of a pipe dream in other countries where no fuck clubs exist even now.

Most stocks get listed on exchanges after they have been operating as businesses for a while, want to grow bigger, and need capital. That suggests that someone like Sharks or Oase or Artemis, sufficiently large, could approach the capital markets. The idea floated here, I. E a bunch of mongers owning the club as stock investors, well are you saying you will buy shares in this Sharks Inc? Or pool money into a shell entity and the shell acquires clubs? Or even perhaps build new clubs?

Building new clubs is a terrible idea. First there is already overcapacity. Too many clubs. Many members said on these pages that barring a few top clubs, many Clubs seem relatively empty with not much profits for most of the year. A group of monger guys who have zero experience in prior operation of any club should not be building a new club, thus adding to the overcapacity and diluting business for all.

Assume you pool your money and begin a shell company, each participant gets some shares, and you acquire a well established club, hopefully at a reasonable price. Assume for the moment, Sharks or Oase or some other club owner sells their club willingly. So far, all the capital is yours. Now, if you want to list this in Frankfurt or some other exchange, DB or Commerzbank or any other reputed bank is absolutely not willing to underwrite this business. No one take you to IPO. If you dispute this assertion, you have zero experience with culture And DNA of any investment bank, I can tell you. Perhaps you can get some other zombie shell company which is listed on some pink sheets somewhere to do a reverse merger with you and you can get thus listed in a backdoor manner. But even if you do so, what is the point?! Who will be the new investors? No institutional investor would ever step in. Not one. May be some other retail, monger investors will step in. May be. It will still be you and your small pool for the most part. For that, why did you even bother going to public listing? You could have stayed private. As I said, being listed carries real expenses.

My guess is, even the largest club, say Sharks, doesn't have annual profit exceeding $10 M. Profits, not revenues mind you. That is my guess. If you have better info, please do share. For a smut business with uncertain visibility and sustainability, it will not attract any meaningful multiple. I. e. The market cap will not exceed $30 M to $50 M.

In the last 20 years, the number of stocks in developed countries have declined materially. Wiltshire 5000 index at one point did have 5000 stocks but now has around 3500. The total number of stocks in US exchanges was in the range of 7500 and now less than 4000. Companies merged, stocks taken private, MBO and LBO, and so on. Expenses, regulatory issues were a key driving force in this reduction.

As far as I know only a couple of smut stocks have ever been listed on US exchanges. Playboy did trade for more than 30 years but eventually it too went private. It NEVER Once exceeded $300 M in revenue, and no not because of internet killing publications. Even before there was a thing called internet, playboy never exceeded $300 M revenue and its market cap never exceeded a few hundred million. When it was taken private, that was just above $100 M I think. New frontier media, which owned Ten network and also Owned Penthouse if I remember correctly, never exceeded $50 M revenue and was a small micro cap. It too is no longer listed.

In short, there is a real advantage to having more than one stock in a given space. Unless you have more than one FKK stock listed, the one single stock will languish even more.

Of late, SpAcs have become somewhat hot. A lot of EV stocks went public through spacs. But even a Spac is not a panacea for a FKK listing. The spac sponsor, after having raised the money and then disclosing he intends to purchase an FKK will have a revolt on his hand. There are clauses which enable investors to pull out and the spac sponsor's reputation is ruined.

As I said, institutional investors will have zero interest. Imagine you are a bright 29 year old MBA or CFA. Will you pitch to your PM "let us buy Sharks stock, it has strong growth potential because next year the number of monger fuckers will increase by x percent, door entry price increase 10 Euros, club will issue fewer discount cards, club can reduce costs by cutting Air conditioning expense by making the fish tank room even hotter, and providing even shittier food and capex is coming down because they will put off the repairs on sauna for another year".

When Playboy and New frontier were listed, ESG was not a big deal. Now every fund manager is hot on eSG. I can politely tell you ESG is not exactly compatible with fuck clubs. 20 years ago, there were fewer women in fund management business, now there are many.

So it all comes down again, who will be the new investors beyond your little core group? If you cannot expand the number of investors beyond a private pool, there is no advantage to being publicly listed, but plenty of downside due to scrutiny and added expenses.

Stocks, by their very nature, demand growth. As far as I know, these clubs are not growing that much. If anything, they seem to be flattish or even declining. The only scenario in which it works is if a big club gets listed, say Sharks or Oase, has better access to capital, raises some new money and with that it goes shopping for other clubs and consolidates as many clubs as possible. That is what happens in a stagnant market. If revenues are not growing, you increase profits by cutting costs. This is what I referred above by "synergies if multiple clubs are owned by a single owner and how much are the synergies". But if Sharks comes calling, will Oase, World and Dietz sell? Will authorities allow it? Will customers like it? Will girls like it?

Sorry, this idea is DOA. Dead on arrival. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481455]The real message is: those that play have a real interest, not a hit and run, fickle punt. This is the same concept behind frequent flyer points, but here, people get real quarterly dividend checks.[/QUOTE]Ah, great minds think alike! I too was thinking about the airline industry as a comparison! And on that note, why state regulation as Pistons suggests? No, if this thing is going to happen, then there must be deregulation and fierce competition, just like with the airlines. With that, there would be different market segments among the clubs, with some being budget-minded (bring your own soap and towels LOL) and others offering first / business class facilities and the hottest girls (and perhaps higher prices), and every other kind of club and pricing in between. Privatization and deregulation promotes competition and yields the best options for the monger with an eye on prices and quality. I say again. I would invest in a well-run, cash cow, on-premises, FKK-style sex club chain if I could. Call the chain "Tutes" LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2481516]Why would the managers of a public company care about a practice that only happens behind closed doors? BBBJ and other illegal activities would continue as before.[/QUOTE]Because your investment is at greater risk if the government imposes a conspiracy type fine upon the entity for knowingly allowing an illegal activity to occur. If someone can read about it online from multiple credible sources, then the theory is that the company should have internally investigated it and have taken action. A similar thing is happening in the pharmaceutical world regarding sale of opiates.

I don't get some of you guys. The government is never your friend in this business. In some countries, it is the opponent, in other countries, particularly Germany, it is a somewhat disapproving but tolerant observer. When you introduce the concept of a publicly-traded company being involved, you introduce regulatory oversight and regulations that would be bizarre to try to apply.

You are simply better off, in my opinion, of having it run by the friendly "Sons of Anarchy" type motorcycle gang who can do questionable things like pay a finders fee to someone informing hot young Romanian women of the existence of FKKs than a system where doing that on official books and records might violate some law in some country, and get you fined. Prices would go up and some services would decline when you introduce the government and investors. Didn't prices go up, and some services at some places go down, a few years ago when the a German government introduced new laws? Regulatory agencies that govern public companies wouldn't "pass" new laws, they already have plenty of existing regulations that would be applied to FKKs that were never previously applicable.

What makes you think you only get CBJs in traditional brothels?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2481508]Sex forum turned cloud funding LOL, but in reality, I think to be the owner of German FKK, you got to be one foot into shady world or you will face problems from both shady people and also from all kind of government including police which is the real mafia LOL.

It is curious industry, but I do think there are a lot of their own rule in this industry which do not welcome new comer LOL As an example, there was a big plan and actual construction for new big FKK near Potsdam in Berlin, construction stopped half way and now plan is long gone, why? I can only guess for my own misery as it would be ideal to have second big FKK in Berlin LOL![/QUOTE]Were you never in a club when the s T AFF came and picked up all the ashtrays and smoking inside was suddenly forbidden. This was a sure sign that the police would arrive within ten minutes. How did they know. Well, The little bird was trained to sing.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2481657]Were you never in a club when the s T AFF came and picked up all the ashtrays and smoking inside was suddenly forbidden. This was a sure sign that the police would arrive within ten minutes. How did they know. Well, The little bird was trained to sing.[/QUOTE]I was in Artemis when fire alarm went off falsely and police just raided the place and we both clients and girls were standing outside in cold winter, some of girls with just towels wrapped around their naked body and it was little bit raining too. I felt such a warm hospitable treatment of German police when it comes to FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2481720]I felt such a warm hospitable treatment of German police when it comes to FKK LOL![/QUOTE]Yeah, "Germans are going to German," it's in their blood.

I was at GT during a raid a few years ago, and I could suddenly understand Germany's "history" a lot better.

If you have to do a job like checking IDs, then do it professionally, efficiently but also courteously, but the German police was obviously there with a politically correct agenda: and it showed! What a bunch of arrogant Muppet, especially considering how the German police failed miserably in 2015 when hundreds of women were raped in the centre of Cologne during the New Year's celebrations and the authorities and media tried to cover everything up.

Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.

The decision is final.

https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481838]Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside of prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.

The decision is final.

https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html[/QUOTE]That's good news for the EU ice bears. As for those us of trapped in the US, interesting times: our streets are still filled with "protestors" spreading covid to our senior citizens, we're still waiting for a vaccine, and the are media dropping their "October surprise" over Labor Day weekend because they want to affect early voting. Only thing we can say with certainty is that we are probably looking forward to normal FKK more than any other mongers out there LOL.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481838]Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.

The decision is final.

https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html[/QUOTE]Thanks for this amazing news! Hopefully, also Hessen will follow soon!

Good news indeed: [URL]https://www.bild.de/regional/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-aktuell/oberverwaltungsgericht-hat-entschieden-prostitution-in-nrw-wieder-erlaubt-72799146.bild.html?wtmc=whtspp.shr[/URL].

[QUOTE=Maxime;2481854]Good news indeed: [URL]https://www.bild.de/regional/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-aktuell/oberverwaltungsgericht-hat-entschieden-prostitution-in-nrw-wieder-erlaubt-72799146.bild.html?wtmc=whtspp.shr[/URL].[/QUOTE]From that article it sounds like a done deal then!

Just not sure what the outcome regarding face masks were. Anyone knows? The questionmark in the headline is a bit confusing.

The good thing here is that nrw can easily stand on their own. It is not like rheinland pfalz who more has to look to their larger neighbours. But with nrw and the Mnster court opening it up, I bet rheinland pfalz will also join in quite soon now too.

And then Hessen should be next perhaps?

[QUOTE=Maxime;2481854]Good news indeed: [URL]https://www.bild.de/regional/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-aktuell/oberverwaltungsgericht-hat-entschieden-prostitution-in-nrw-wieder-erlaubt-72799146.bild.html?wtmc=whtspp.shr[/URL].[/QUOTE]To all you cats out there lucky enough to indulge in our favorite pastime at our favorite locales please be safe and follow diligently all prescribed rules so that there is no spike in infections coming from FKKs. I want FKKs to remain open until I am able to return.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481455]The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.[/QUOTE]Well, you could also take Macau as an example. There all the Hong Kong owned and listed casinos have sex trade establishments (saunas) on one of the floors. But the casinos owned by western listed companies don't. And the argue that this is all due to PR towards the general western investor. While the climate in HK is different, and there they don't have anything against it.

So perhaps you would just have to list the company in Hong Kong. Still, I am not a fan of the extra stakeholder. And a state run idea as an equivalent to a university gym is far and away superior in every sense!

Who would have thought this would happen before they open up the skies for mongers to fly in? Let's hope that the rules are followed to avoid FKK's from becoming corona hotspots. If that happens, it might just mean the end of FKK's.

Safe mongering!

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481838]Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.

The decision is final.

https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481838]Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.

The decision is final.

https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html[/QUOTE]Prostitution is not forbidden in Hessen with Sharks girls escorting, but all brothels are closed since mid March. Paradise Sarrebrucken and Artemis are with mask. Not so erotic when You need beauty to desire.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481766]Yeah, "Germans are going to German," it's in their blood.

I was at GT during a raid a few years ago, and I could suddenly understand Germany's "history" a lot better.

If you have to do a job like checking IDs, then do it professionally, efficiently but also courteously, but the German police was obviously there with a politically correct agenda: and it showed! What a bunch of arrogant Muppet, especially considering how the German police failed miserably in 2015 when hundreds of women were raped in the centre of Cologne during the New Year's celebrations and the authorities and media tried to cover everything up.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they were very authoritarian like in Artemis when that that happened too, and it was raining and in winter and they made all people stood out side, I was wearing bathrobe, but some girls were with just a towel around their body, but not allowed back in even get a robe, I wonder if mongers had to pay for the time in room they missed out though LOL Imagine you are 20th minutes in and about to cum in few minutes and alarm goes off LOL you got like 10 min once the alarm issue is solved? Or you have to extend the session due to alarm LOL.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2481838]Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.

The decision is final.

https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html[/QUOTE]Great news. Any information about when any of the clubs will actually open then?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2481870]Well, you could also take Macau as an example. There all the Hong Kong owned and listed casinos have sex trade establishments (saunas) on one of the floors. But the casinos owned by western listed companies don't. And the argue that this is all due to PR towards the general western investor. While the climate in HK is different, and there they don't have anything against it.

So perhaps you would just have to list the company in Hong Kong. Still, I am not a fan of the extra stakeholder. And a state run idea as an equivalent to a university gym is far and away superior in every sense![/QUOTE]Prices also spiked in Macau at the same time that the listed companies took control over the last few privately owned saunas. Sanado for example.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2481870]Well, you could also take Macau as an example. There all the Hong Kong owned and listed casinos have sex trade establishments (saunas) on one of the floors. But the casinos owned by western listed companies don't. And the argue that this is all due to PR towards the general western investor. While the climate in HK is different, and there they don't have anything against it.

So perhaps you would just have to list the company in Hong Kong. Still, I am not a fan of the extra stakeholder. And a state run idea as an equivalent to a university gym is far and away superior in every sense![/QUOTE]Prices also spiked in Macau at the same time that the listed companies took control over the last few privately owned saunas. Sanado for example. And the looks of the girls deteriorated fast.

All valid concerns Pessimist. However, there is the London AIM and others that greatly reduce costs and are aimed at smaller companies.

As for MBA and banks, we have seen how badly they do stuff, and but for ability to borrow fro the Fed at <0. 5% and lend at 3-4% (and in the case of credit cards, 20% they off little genuine yield or innovation. Most of the suits are parasites, with no personal risk and lots of useless power point decks for suckers, usually people investing other people's money and their circle jerk revolving door club. The number of regular tactical, planned bankruptcies and bail outs shows the modern kleptocracy. These rent-seeking folks think the party will never end. But they produce nothing, and people are seeing through them and wanting yield and non-correlated risk to indices the sheep flock to.

I like small, steady profitable companies with a good business that do not try and grown and expand with debt and takeovers for their own sake and bonuses, but have a good core business, pay a steady dividend, have good ROI and healthy layer of retained earnings. Especially ones where the CEO has skin in the game, remuneration is fair, and the Board is made of pitbulls rather than cocker spaniels in collusion with grifters / consultants etc. This is the opposite of most US companies. In a yield starved world and people looking for non-correlated risk, this is a good bet. It will not scale to be an index or suck up pension funds, but that is beauty of the idea.

Next, financial data on the clubs is very scarce, but if you took the number of punters and girls paying the entrance fee over year, you would get the headline revenue. Deduct from that cost of energy, water, holding costs of say 5 million euro building, cleaners, security etc, and let's say gross 50% . The over-capacity you mention is probably from clustering in the same places. It was a problem mentioned in Mega-Brothel, a really cool documentary everyone here should watch about behind the scenes at FKKs and the articulate and charming working girl Josie who make anyone a good wife). A question mark would be a seasonal club in ski resort towns, like Switzerland and Austria, making a destination of ski and warm up between ski rides, and most people who ski are pretty affluent.

All good points Pessimist. We lack key data on financials and how much capacity or over capacity there is. Airlines have Revenue Passenger Miles (RPM). Maybe we need Revenue Pussy Mongering. Easily done with a sensor that detects how often and how long a room is used and counting entrances and exits like shopping malls do.

Interesting news, that covers Essen, Cologne and Dusseldorf. Just because it can be done does not mean doing it is wise. Packing a bunch of people together where the girls are getting fucked and sucking several men a night sounds like a good way to spread COVID. I wish that were not the case, but the biological facts remain. Believe me, I will crack open a Krug vintage when this nightmare ends. And never take travel and fun for granted. I feel like we are kind of dead, because life is on hold. I am going to go on a hard core pussy spree at the end of this, threesomes, big tits, BBJ, you name it. I'm sure I am not the only one.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2481354]
AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME?
[/QUOTE]Salaam, Phallus. You want FKKs to be public companies, and closer to the American capitalist ideal?

This would entail heavier regulation. First off, increased regulation tends to stifle the sex industry. That's because most government types hate prostitution and organize regulation to suppress it rather than encourage it. Germany 2017 was a classic example.

On the one hand your idea might reduce the influence of the criminal mafias that are steadily destroying the FKK system. On the other hand, it would bring it under the power of a parasitical elite that have championed things like Walmart, the pharmaceutical industry, etc. Essentially you would be replacing a disrespectable set of gangsters with a respectable set of gangsters. Both have an agenda of male disempowerment and sucking the customer dry. The new mob would seek to make the FKK environment similar to a corporate workplace rife with political correctness and everything imaginable would be NSFW, in other words no fun at all.

Sorry, this is not the right solution. By the way, your mailbox is full.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2482030]All valid concerns Pessimist. However, there is the London AIM and others that greatly reduce costs and are aimed at smaller companies.

As for MBA and banks, we have seen how badly they do stuff, and but for ability to borrow fro the Fed at <0. 5% and lend at 3-4% (and in the case of credit cards, 20% they off little genuine yield or innovation. Most of the suits are parasites, with no personal risk and lots of useless power point decks for suckers, usually people investing other people's money and their circle jerk revolving door club. The number of regular tactical, planned bankruptcies and bail outs shows the modern kleptocracy. These rent-seeking folks think the party will never end. But they produce nothing, and people are seeing through them and wanting yield and non-correlated risk to indices the sheep flock to.

I like small, steady profitable companies with a good business that do not try and grown and expand with debt and takeovers for their own sake and bonuses, but have a good core business, pay a steady dividend, have good ROI and healthy layer of retained earnings. Especially ones where the CEO has skin in the game, remuneration is fair, and the Board is made of pitbulls rather than cocker spaniels in collusion with grifters / consultants etc. This is the opposite of most US companies. In a yield starved world and people looking for non-correlated risk, this is a good bet. It will not scale to be an index or suck up pension funds, but that is beauty of the idea..[/QUOTE]OK, I am merely a messenger. You can shoot down the messenger, but the issue is that the message that you do not like will still be the same true message. I think you missed the central point of my argument. There is almost no demand from Any investors wanting to invest in this phantom FKK stock (besides from some hardcore mongers here perhaps, but even that point is doubtful. Only when it comes to ponying up real money will we know how many of these hardcore mongers will be down for it and how much).

Secondly, there is no compelling need for extra capital from the current owners of FKKs, as they seem to be operating just fine with whatever venues they have. The current FKK market is served quite well with the set of owners and their investors. Finally, you completely ignored that listing as a stock will only add to the expenses and not provide any real benefits for a FKK owner.

You are trying to solve a problem that does not exist. You are obviously welcome to bash MBAs and whoever else, and if you want we can come back in 5 years to see if this fictitious FKK stock has floated and how much money any of you made from it.

When internet first came on, and later 4 G and streaming, people thought smut would gain in scale, become profitable and perhaps companies formed and stocks taking off. In the early days of 4 G and early days of iPad, a lot of data traffic was indeed driven by smut. As it is, even the few smut stocks that existed failed and were taken private. Smut and porn and paid sex will never be organized business at the scale needed to form large enough companies and with their stocks trading and investors reaping returns while also consuming the product. I realize this sounds like a wet dream, but that's all it will ever be. This industry will always be grey at best, will always be small scale, mostly independent contractors, doesn't need massive capital, and the scrutiny that comes with being large, public, is incompatible with the financial goals of the owners.

[URL]Match.com[/URL] is not smut, and it has done super well. I wish I could have bought shares in [URL]seeking.com[/URL] being a consumer, but that guy is too smart and will never list his company. As it is, it is borderline legal and he might be quite worried how long that site can be kept alive and stay open. For sure there is a lot of paid sex on that site, I have been a subscriber for a while and I know. Even those companies Like SA and [URL]Match.com[/URL] do not have huge capital needs. The reason they became big is because online networks naturally benefit from monopoly. Consumers want one single [URL]seeking.com[/URL] where all the girls and guys can congregate, [URL]Match.com[/URL] owns pretty much all the top dating sites in the western world, but sex club consumers do not want a single FKK club, they want dozens of clubs all around the country. No single club needs that much more capital. If Sharks owner could access $100 million through a cheap bond or equity raise, what would he do with that? Nothing. Adding a few more rooms, improving club facilities doesn't take that much more money. The only way to scale up in this business is by buying other clubs, but they may not be for sale and consumers do not want all The FKks in the country to be owned by a single company. So, if you offered to the current Sharks owner that you will raise a lot of money from him through an equity offering, I am positive that he will say thanks but no thanks. Perhaps you should try this out for yourself on your next visit. Ask to meet with the owner, see how it goes and please do tell us.

You do a wonderful job of summarizing the financial issues, but I am not sure Pahllus was really interested in a genuine financial analysis, and it appears that anyone doing so may fall into the category of an enemy MBA type, anyway, to many ISG posters.

A central theme to his posts seems to be a Return of Kings scenario, where a relatively common man can obtain sex at a low price in an upscale environment without much inconvenience, and if that sex is obtained in a commercial transaction, society would approve of it. Kind of like getting sex instead of coffee at Starbucks.

He long ago brought up the possibility of FKKs being in the United States in much the same manner as they are in a Germany, and I believe when I discussed that a very high price would occur unless the USA Allowed Mexicans and Venezuelans to do the sex work, he was not bothered by the concept of that occurring. It wouldn't bother me either, but I cannot envision a scenario where that would happen in the USA, given how many people would object. Germany is different, but I think there are limits to tolerance even in Germany.

So in his theory, I suppose, if FKKs were publicly-traded, then society would have greater acceptance of this activity and local zoning laws would become less of an issue. There would be a commercial sex establishment near everywhere a guy would want to go, the ski slopes, the sports arena, etc. Prices would be affordable since society would accept that the establishments are to be filled with women willing to work for the lowest possible price and some kind of streamlined system like a sex work visa would be available to get poor, but attractive, women to these places, when necessary, since a publicly-traded company would face greater "labor regulations". It would be so efficient that there would even be steady cash flow to return to investors.

It is difficult to know where to even start with this type of analysis other than to point out that the trends in every country I can think of are going the other direction.

Technology allows sex work to be more of a private transaction between two parties than ever before, and most countries, even throughout Europe, are actively discouraging visible public "sex venues". Although Germany bucks the trend, I am not sure it would be willing to go further in the other direction, I. E. , having more facilities near popular attractions. And prices for sex have been going up for quite some time, with perhaps one of the reasons being that poorer immigrant women can use technology to get a price closer to that obtained by local women.

Most of us have long ago accepted that most of society doesn't want this activity shoved in their faces. So we learn to do this activity in a manner that reaches a compromise with them. We simply don't need their approval. But part of that compromise would seem to be that there doesn't need to be a commercial sex establishment on every popular street corner.

And many of us don't think that an equilibrium price can exist for a labor market that is too dominated by immigrants. I am skeptical that any local population, even a Germans, would be tolerant of many "Starbucks type legal brothels" of a publicly-traded FKKs around ski slopes having mostly Romanians as the "sex baristas". This may be the case at FKKs now, but the publicity if that occurred within a publicly-traded FKK would be a much bigger deal.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2482068]OK, I am merely a messenger. You can shoot down the messenger, but the issue is that the message that you do not like will still be the same true message. I think you missed the central point of my argument. There is almost no demand from Any investors wanting to invest in this phantom FKK stock (besides from some hardcore mongers here perhaps, but even that point is doubtful. Only when it comes to ponying up real money will we know how many of these hardcore mongers will be down for it and how much).

Secondly, there is no compelling need for extra capital from the current owners of FKKs, as they seem to be operating just fine with whatever venues they have. The current FKK market is served quite well with the set of owners and their investors. Finally, you completely ignored that listing as a stock will only add to the expenses and not provide any real benefits for a FKK owner.

You are trying to solve a problem that does not exist. You are obviously welcome to bash MBAs and whoever else, and if you want we can come back in 5 years to see if this fictitious FKK stock has floated and how much money any of you made from it..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2481927]Prostitution is not forbidden in Hessen with Sharks girls escorting, but all brothels are closed since mid March. Paradise Sarrebrucken and Artemis are with mask. Not so erotic when You need beauty to desire.[/QUOTE]I think you can find prostitutes escorting all over Germany no matter if it is forbidden or not. Just take a look at escort sites.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2482020] Any information about when any of the clubs will actually open then?[/QUOTE]Technically, they have to receive more information from the public order office and work out hygiene concepts which comply with the existing government measures, besides the issue of availibility of WGs. I think it would probably take a week or two.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481766]Yeah, "Germans are going to German," it's in their blood.

I was at GT during a raid a few years ago, and I could suddenly understand Germany's "history" a lot better.

If you have to do a job like checking IDs, then do it professionally, efficiently but also courteously, but the German police was obviously there with a politically correct agenda: and it showed! [/QUOTE]I agree. They are cold and authoritarian. You can hardly see any minority in German police force.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2482020]Great news. Any information about when any of the clubs will actually open then?[/QUOTE]Legally it is allowed since yesterday, but of course it takes some time for the clubs to re-open, and understand what the exact rules are under which it will be allowed.

Aca Gold will re-open Friday (9/11), like Penelope and M-Exclusiv. Sky Wuppertal on Saturday (9/12), Babylon around end of next week (September 18?)

Rumours: Club Diamond today, Venus and Living Room Friday, etc.

Lets wait and see (especially the strict rules under which several clubs might re-open again.

At Paradise Sarrebrucken in Saarland, seem each girl has own room, so 20 rooms, 20 girls, for new rule. Also mask in club for guys and girls and no more buffet, but staff is serving. I won t go for this, except for a girl I would know. Seem starting casting is very average, like was reported for Artemis and 6 ens NL. Just to empty balls.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2482119]I agree. They are cold and authoritarian. You can hardly see any minority in German police force.[/QUOTE]In the initial weeks after the Germans Vovid19 lifted travel restrictions, I needed to be in Germany for work and was stopped at big police checkpoints near the border. Most of the police manning those checkpoints were new recruits, and it now perfectly mirrored the multicultural "ideal" that Germany now wants to be. Plenty of minorities and those were just as arrogant and authoritarian as the native Germans.

A former Bulgarian girlfriend of mine used to work for the police and she told me how easy it was to get in as a "minority. " They are dropping the standards to fill the quota, and the result is authoritarian assholes with a gun and a badge. What could possibly go wrong? / sarc.

Acapulco Velbert is set to open on Friday 18th Sept.

Dolce Vita reopens on the 12th. Sept.

FKK Magnum says they will be reopening in a few days.

But be back with more information soon on their website.

No updates on Goldentime nor Oceans as of yet. Although Oceans seems to have been open on Fridays and Saturdays for awhile now. I suspect just for partying, and no P6.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2482123]Legally it is allowed since yesterday, but of course it takes some time for the clubs to re-open, and understand what the exact rules are under which it will be allowed.

Aca Gold will re-open Friday (9/11), like Penelope and M-Exclusiv. Sky Wuppertal on Saturday (9/12), Babylon around end of next week (September 18?)

Rumours: Club Diamond today, Venus and Living Room Friday, etc.

Lets wait and see (especially the strict rules under which several clubs might re-open again.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing the 150 person limit will apply. Perhaps the smaller clubs can resume some semblance of pre-covid business levels but the mega clubs have no shot unless they limit the number of girls and staff to accommodate for more patrons. Sharks, Samya, Mondial, Oase, GT will struggle.

So. Lot's of great posts (thanks) about when clubs are re-opening. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet. Are virus cases in Hessen high?

Query: I was a little surprised to see the jump in prices in Artemis - 90 e entry and 70/30 minutes. Of course it has always been the most expensive FKK (so far as I know) with previous prices 80 e and 60/30 compared to 50/30 almost everywhere else and lower entry fees. As has been quoted, this will reflect the monopoly the club enjoys in Berlin (in itself very odd. Why on earth don't some entrepreneurs open other FKKs in Berlin. There must be room for 3 or 4 at least like in Frankfurt). My query is whether members think we will now see prices increase (entry and room prices) in other clubs. A chance for the club and girls to attempt to recover some lost income whilst closed? It goes without saying I hope not! But it will be interesting to see if this opportunity is seized upon. Prices in Spain in at least one big club (Scandalos Malaga) increased significantly after re-opening. Hope that won't be followed throughout Germany but worrying that it happened in Spain and now in Berlin and causes me to think it might be repeated elsewhere.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2482235]So. Lot's of great posts (thanks) about when clubs are re-opening. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet. Are virus cases in Hessen high?

Query: I was a little surprised to see the jump in prices in Artemis - 90 e entry and 70/30 minutes. Of course it has always been the most expensive FKK (so far as I know) with previous prices 80 e and 60/30 compared to 50/30 almost everywhere else and lower entry fees. As has been quoted, this will reflect the monopoly the club enjoys in Berlin (in itself very odd. Why on earth don't some entrepreneurs open other FKKs in Berlin. There must be room for 3 or 4 at least like in Frankfurt). My query is whether members think we will now see prices increase (entry and room prices) in other clubs. A chance for the club and girls to attempt to recover some lost income whilst closed? It goes without saying I hope not! But it will be interesting to see if this opportunity is seized upon. Prices in Spain in at least one big club (Scandalos Malaga) increased significantly after re-opening. Hope that won't be followed throughout Germany but worrying that it happened in Spain and now in Berlin and causes me to think it might be repeated elsewhere.[/QUOTE]FKK clubs in Hamburg and Munich (only one good one if you ask me) were always pricier than even Artemis overall. I don't see things going 100% back to the way they were, including the fact that I think some clubs will permanently close their doors. We'll have to find those open legs somewhere else!

Well, I posted a dozen times that IMO, the chance of large FKK clubs opening prior to Sept was less than 5% and prior to December was less than 25% and it appears I am spectacularly wrong. So, I will go and order myself a crow and finish with a humble pie for dessert For now however, I will stay away from the clubs, for personal reasons.

From my information, at least 100 and even more for 30 mn with traditional BJ, at Artemis. Swiss rate. Worth only if great beauties, but not sure many.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2482082]You do a wonderful job of summarizing the financial issues, but I am not sure Pahllus was really interested in a genuine financial analysis, and it appears that anyone doing so may fall into the category of an enemy MBA type, anyway, to many ISG posters.

A central theme to his posts seems to be a Return of Kings scenario, where a relatively common man can obtain sex at a low price in an upscale environment without much inconvenience, and if that sex is obtained in a commercial transaction, society would approve of it. Kind of like getting sex instead of coffee at Starbucks.

He long ago brought up the possibility of FKKs being in the United States in much the same manner as they are in a Germany, and I believe when I discussed that a very high price would occur unless the USA Allowed Mexicans and Venezuelans to do the sex work, he was not bothered by the concept of that occurring. It wouldn't bother me either, but I cannot envision a scenario where that would happen in the USA, given how many people would object. Germany is different, but I think there are limits to tolerance even in Germany.

So in his theory, I suppose, if FKKs were publicly-traded, then society would have greater acceptance of this activity and local zoning laws would become less of an issue. There would be a commercial sex establishment near everywhere a guy would want to go, the ski slopes, the sports arena, etc. Prices would be affordable since society would accept that the establishments are to be filled with women willing to work for the lowest possible price and some kind of streamlined system like a sex work visa would be available to get poor, but attractive, women to these places, when necessary, since a publicly-traded company would face greater "labor regulations". It would be so efficient that there would even be steady cash flow to return to investors.

It is difficult to know where to even start with this type of analysis other than to point out that the trends in every country I can think of are going the other direction..[/QUOTE]Thank you Mongerer88. Great points. I agree that sex industry would want to stay low key, below the radar, decentralized. But the key disagreement with him is "why stocks"? Private ownerships will work just fine and only they will work in the sex industry in my view. Everything he wants to see, achieve, and happen can work with private partnerships. So, he can, in theory, get together with a handful / few dozen / whatever number of like-minded investors, acquire a club, run it well, and if inshallah willing (as Polyamorist would say) their profits grow, acquire even more clubs. I think that is perfectly feasible, and that is what exists today. What exactly does the business getting listed in the stock market do for him? Added expense, added scrutiny, and not much upside.

Of course if you have $5 grand in the bank and looking to become an FKK owner, it will not happen with the private partnership structure. So, perhaps they dream of public stocks, with they hope that they can buy 50 shares at $100 each. That is too bad. One can't always have what one dreams of. We live in a real world, and it has its own realities. Wishing away those realities is well, just wishful thinking.

"So in his theory, I suppose, if FKKs were publicly-traded, then society would have greater acceptance of this activity and local zoning laws would become less of an issue" - yeah, I sense that attitude. And that is the problem. Public acceptance of a business allows for that stock to flourish but merely a stock getting listed does not lead to greater public acceptance. The cause and effect are reversed in that thinking. It is one reason why those FKK ownerships stay private. Because the owners know there is limited public acceptance.

Take cannabis and tobacco. The acceptance of cannabis in US society took a long time to happen, even now not everyone is happy with it although practically every single presidential candidate has smoked weed at some point in life. Now, there are a few cannabis stocks such as CGC, Aurora, Acreage Holdings, etc. I don't follow this industry, I have never bought their stocks, I am not an expert on them. But I do know that these stocks getting listed and trading on public markets did not change anyone's prior views or acceptance of marijuana. Rather, marijuana was widely used, slowly became more accepted, and then became legal. And sure enough, a few large enough companies with real revenues and profits emerged, and they got listed and trade now, and people own them to make money, not to make a statement.

And that is the key thing. Very few people are foolish enough to buy stocks because they want to make a statement. You keep your money and emotions separated, or else you will soon part with your money and only have bad taste in mouth and hurt emotions in your heart.

Take tobacco on the other hand. Tobacco stocks have existed for decades. They were some of the most valuable companies in the world. Tobacco stocks were a key part of the largest, most important investment fund families. They still stayed legal. But the public sentiment on tobacco soured over decades. Altria, British tobacco, Japan tobacco, PM all still trade, all still very large, but stock prices are down nearly half from a few years ago, and again the stock being traded is not influencing anyone positively but rather people's opinion of tobacco turning negative over time has kept on these stock prices.

A stock getting listed does not even mean there will be greater competition and service shall improve. Competition increases and service improves quite independently of whether clubs are owned privately or as a stock in public hands. Competition is weak in Berlin and prices and service are not great at Artemis. There is more competition, more clubs in NRW and relatively speaking service has been better. All of them privately owned.

Since we are in German forums, the most important part of German industry is the famous Mittelstand. Germany is roughly a 40-45% bigger economy than France but France has more "large enterprises" and a bigger weight in MSCI Europe than Germany does. The true backbone of German industry is however the Mittelstand companies. These are small, medium, some are up to billions in revenue but many stayed private. Fiercely independent, largely family owed and passed generation to generation, these are extremely competitive, very well run, but many or most of them are NOT listed. They are privately owned.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481766]Yeah, "Germans are going to German," it's in their blood.

I was at GT during a raid a few years ago, and I could suddenly understand Germany's "history" a lot better.

If you have to do a job like checking IDs, then do it professionally, efficiently but also courteously, but the German police was obviously there with a politically correct agenda: and it showed! What a bunch of arrogant Muppet, especially considering how the German police failed miserably in 2015 when hundreds of women were raped in the centre of Cologne during the New Year's celebrations and the authorities and media tried to cover everything up.[/QUOTE]On 2017 , I was at LR for 3 polizei controls, no more ashtrays, girls had to go to smoke outside with only towel in cold in February. So funny to see guys leaving like rabbits, had great days for my big balls, my girl being full free, so welcoming, even she always chose me first, putting her hair as I liked and I didn't even need to ask her, my big balls being happy to empty on our 2 rooms on each control. When Swiss polizei put pressure on you threatening to put you in jail, and they did, visiting 3 different jails and even small room with no window on 6 days, also robbering you, German polizei I met quite often, is much more relax and honest, joking about my overspeed, only caught on autobahn and telling them: you don't catch Germans, but only foreigners. When they control me on overspeed or leaving a club, for alcohol test, I tell them: if your machine don't say 0 , then your machine don't work, so they look at me, and machine always say 0 . Had only one big problem in Singen because I was forbidden to drive in Germany, but I don't read German, they didn't put me in jail and problem was solved with Speyer central.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2482235]So. Lot's of great posts (thanks) about when clubs are re-opening. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet. Are virus cases in Hessen high?

Query: I was a little surprised to see the jump in prices in Artemis - 90 e entry and 70/30 minutes. Of course it has always been the most expensive FKK (so far as I know) with previous prices 80 e and 60/30 compared to 50/30 almost everywhere else and lower entry fees. As has been quoted, this will reflect the monopoly the club enjoys in Berlin (in itself very odd. Why on earth don't some entrepreneurs open other FKKs in Berlin. There must be room for 3 or 4 at least like in Frankfurt). My query is whether members think we will now see prices increase (entry and room prices) in other clubs. A chance for the club and girls to attempt to recover some lost income whilst closed? It goes without saying I hope not! But it will be interesting to see if this opportunity is seized upon. Prices in Spain in at least one big club (Scandalos Malaga) increased significantly after re-opening. Hope that won't be followed throughout Germany but worrying that it happened in Spain and now in Berlin and causes me to think it might be repeated elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Girls upsell culture of Artemis moved onto the management too LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2482235]. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet.[/QUOTE]Should I post more? What do you mean? Thought I made almost too many posts recently, but if you say so.

OK, just for PayForit, I will recopy this post into this subforum also. As I suppose not everyone reads the Austrian forum here, and even less reads the Slovenian forum.

Marina (Slovenia).

I came across this very interesting story:

[URL]https://www.total-slovenia-news.com/...tion-ring-case[/URL]

So it seems the Slovenian Interior Ministry of State Franc Kangler is putting this on the agenda. Meaning the final word when it comes to Marina might not have been said.

Read:

'Kangler said the NBI, which worked on the case for several years, had forged documents, conducted house searches without warrants, monitored and photographed the lawyers of the defendants and illegally violated privacy.'

And as we all know, evidence gained through illegal conduct can not be used legally. For example the illegal violation of privacy. Which is part of an EU legal bill that came through in 2015 if I am not mistaken. Meaning, they have no valuable evidence of any P6 activity whatsoever. And if so is the case, then the owners of the club may actually both be allowed to reopen (once the covid-19 is over), and be able to take the NBI into court, and demand a hefty reimbursement.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2482386]OK, just for PayForit, I will recopy this post into this subforum also. As I suppose not everyone reads the Austrian forum here, and even less reads the Slovenian forum.

Marina (Slovenia).

I came across this very interesting story:

[URL]https://www.total-slovenia-news.com/...tion-ring-case[/URL]

So it seems the Slovenian Interior Ministry of State Franc Kangler is putting this on the agenda. Meaning the final word when it comes to Marina might not have been said.

Read:

'Kangler said the NBI, which worked on the case for several years, had forged documents, conducted house searches without warrants, monitored and photographed the lawyers of the defendants and illegally violated privacy.'

And as we all know, evidence gained through illegal conduct can not be used legally. For example the illegal violation of privacy. Which is part of an EU legal bill that came through in 2015 if I am not mistaken. Meaning, they have no valuable evidence of any P6 activity whatsoever. And if so is the case, then the owners of the club may actually both be allowed to reopen (once the covid-19 is over), and be able to take the NBI into court, and demand a hefty reimbursement.[/QUOTE]When Wellcum fell for quality for girls and even before virus, but already on Summer 2019, I would be happy if Marina could reopen, and maybe finding again Mila.

[URL]https://www.total-slovenia-news.com/politics/6882-govt-order-review-of-nova-gorica-slovenia-prostitution-ring-case[/URL]

I am not sure my last link worked, so we try again.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2482382]Should I post more? What do you mean? Thought I made almost too many posts recently, but if you say so.[/QUOTE]LOL. Sorry. Meant nothing yet from Oceans not Pistons!

LR will reopen tomorrow on Sept. 11th.

Babylon will reopen on Thursday, September 17th.

Any indication at all about when the Hessen clubs can re-open?

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2482537]LR will reopen tomorrow on Sept. 11th.

Babylon will reopen on Thursday, September 17th.[/QUOTE]I thought I read here that LR is permanently shut down and that they are moving their operations to Villa Vanilla? I must be wrong. Can anyone clarify this?

That's gossip as usual. It was also supposed to close 2 or 3 years ago. Some guys pretend that they are "connaisseurs" and friends with the management or I don't know what, the truth is that they don't know shit.

I think Pessimist wins the argument. Hard to scale up what is essentially a cottage industry on the margins of society and little or no empirical data. Secondly, supply of low cost young pussy from economically depressed countries without border aka Schengen zone is key.

Pistons,

I wonder if Germans from GT, now working at Globe, will return to GT, Miss GT 2019 for example. Wellcum was again so average casting on this Summer, like on Summer 2019 . Fortunately, Anna. Ro improved and became really charming for me, I think she liked orgasmus.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2482582]I thought I read here that LR is permanently shut down and that they are moving their operations to Villa Vanilla? I must be wrong. Can anyone clarify this?[/QUOTE]Better not to believe all what is written, I only believe what I see with my eyes.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2482590]I think Pessimist wins the argument. Hard to scale up what is essentially a cottage industry on the margins of society and little or no empirical data. Secondly, supply of low cost young pussy from economically depressed countries without border aka Schengen zone is key.[/QUOTE]And then there is this retarded competition from these webcam sites. I have no idea what those girls there earn. Probably not much considering there are site owners and advertisers probably taking 70% in total. But it keeps them away from going full out liberal. Just because some neo-hag old past-prime feminist is afraid of loosing her husband. But why can't she just go to the gym then when she reaches 50 instead of making the rest of the society follow her like some puppet. And we all know the old male politicians with zero libido left just follow suit as well.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2482582]I thought I read here that LR is permanently shut down and that they are moving their operations to Villa Vanilla? I must be wrong. Can anyone clarify this?[/QUOTE]LR Will open today (in 2 hours from now: [URL]https://livingroom.de/[/URL]) and sister club GT probably will not anymore and move to VV.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2482708]LR Will open today (in 2 hours from now: [URL]https://livingroom.de/[/URL]) and sister club GT probably will not anymore and move to VV.[/QUOTE]I heard that GT is getting renovated?

[QUOTE=Maxime;2482708]LR Will open today (in 2 hours from now: [URL]https://livingroom.de/[/URL]) and sister club GT probably will not anymore and move to VV.[/QUOTE]Vanila is much smaller than GT, with less rooms. Only garden is better and swimming pool. Parking is quite small.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2482714]I heard that GT is getting renovated?[/QUOTE]I kinda liked that tent resty of GT.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2482708]LR Will open today (in 2 hours from now: [URL]https://livingroom.de/[/URL]) and sister club GT probably will not anymore and move to VV.[/QUOTE]Move to VV, what is VV?

LR and GT are same owner as you may very well know and I tend to think GT had more clients than even LR sometimes, but I also know that the town of Bruggen did not want Gt to be in their town, which I as a monger even understand why LOL.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2482714]I heard that GT is getting renovated?[/QUOTE]So maybe there is a glimmer of hope for Siri's bathroom remodel for the ladies LOL. If GT shuts down, I would miss the large tent and outside lounge, but not the Smokey bar area and the lukewarm water in the jacuzzi.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2482758]So maybe there is a glimmer of hope for Siri's bathroom remodel for the ladies LOL. If GT shuts down, I would miss the large tent and outside lounge, but not the Smokey bar area and the lukewarm water in the jacuzzi.[/QUOTE]Just guessing here, but shutting down GT makes zero sense, as it was clearly the more upscale club compared to LR.

*) LR frequently got raided (much more than GT) and even shut down because of some silly building code violation. The local German authorities in Kaarst obviously have a hard-on for LR.

*) GT attracts lots of well-paying Dutch and Belgian customers due to it's proximity to the Dutch-Belgian border.

*) GT's main lounge was nicely renovated not too long ago.

LR and GT have the same owner, so my guess is that they can not open GT at the moment because I'm speculating that the place is currently being renovated because I saw what looked like indications of construction (white worker's van + pallets of bricks) on the parking lot a few weeks ago.

As far as I know, the owner has not invested a lot in LR, and what I remember from a few years ago is that the place was a bit of a dump. In such a scenario, it makes sense for the owner of LR and GT to open LR first in order to get the ball rolling and start earning money, whilst finishing GT. Once GT is finished, they can (perhaps permanently) shut down LR.

Anyway, as I said, this is pure speculation and "educated guessing" on my behalf. I'm not trying to "win" an argument here, or "score" points. I'm merely thinking out loud.

Let's see that the future will bring.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2482778]Just guessing here, but shutting down GT makes zero sense, as it was clearly the more upscale club compared to LR.[/QUOTE]And that isn't saying much since I found GT's facilities to be rather unimpressive compared to plenty of other FKKs I have patronized. If GT is better than LR, which I have not been to, then LR isn't hitting on nothing!

(for the real mongers on the German threads, if any are left).

Some reopenings, according to [URL]https://www.freierverkehr.com/events/uebersicht[/URL].

On September 11th: Samya, LivingRoom, Mondial, Prestige, Aca Gold.

On September 12th: Dolce Vita Duesseldorf.

On September 18th: Acapulco Velbert.

I phoned FKK Hawaii Ingoldstadt, they still have an answering machine saying they're waiting to reopen. I also called FKK Colosseum in Augsburg but no one answered. For people in Munich "FKK" Sunshine reopened in "short time hotel mode" ("wie ein Stundenhotel") whatever that means. The website of FKK Paradise in Saarbruecken says "we are back" but its namesake in Stuttgart is still closed.

Any useful tips on whether any FKKs are really worth visiting at this juncture? PMs are welcome too.

[QUOTE=XXL;2482819](for the real mongers on the German threads, if any are left).

Some reopenings, according to [URL]https://www.freierverkehr.com/events/uebersicht[/URL].

On September 11th: Samya, LivingRoom, Mondial, Prestige, Aca Gold.

On September 12th: Dolce Vita Duesseldorf.

On September 18th: Acapulco Velbert.

I phoned FKK Hawaii Ingoldstadt, they still have an answering machine saying they're waiting to reopen. I also called FKK Colosseum in Augsburg but no one answered. For people in Munich "FKK" Sunshine reopened in "short time hotel mode" ("wie ein Stundenhotel") whatever that means. The website of FKK Paradise in Saarbruecken says "we are back" but its namesake in Stuttgart is still closed.

Any useful tips on whether any FKKs are really worth visiting at this juncture? PMs are welcome too.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Really useful. And Harmony (Hamburg) is open, Atmos answers the phone to say they are open but website says they are still closed! One of the clubs in Spain also converted to "hotel mode" - you book a room for the night (300 e) and you might want to invite a lady in the club to the room (and pay her on top! I think it persuades local authorities that there will not be a stream of people going to one room and hence virus risk is slightly reduced!!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2482813]And that isn't saying much since I found GT's facilities to be rather unimpressive compared to plenty of other FKKs I have patronized. If GT is better than LR, which I have not been to, then LR isn't hitting on nothing![/QUOTE]LR is a small club and fell for quality, but when I m the most demanding guy, it was the best club in Germany on 2016/2017, I called it my little Globe which also fell since 2019 . I agree I never understood about GT garden, so far below Oase, World, Sharks, Vanila. Better rooms at LR than GT where only very few good rooms and no more number 7 which was one of the best.

Paradise Sarrebrucken is open since Monday. 1 girl for 1 room and mask.

[QUOTE=XXL;2482855]The wanker is at it again.[/QUOTE]Don't know about anyone else but I cannot read the image.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2482813]And that isn't saying much since I found GT's facilities to be rather unimpressive compared to plenty of other FKKs I have patronized. If GT is better than LR, which I have not been to, then LR isn't hitting on nothing![/QUOTE]LR is basically a house with about 10 rooms or even bit less room and a little garden and a tent and small sauna area, very good service club where you find good looking enough teeny look girls and most girls or almost all girls are plastic surgery free both on face and tits. This is my experience of LR.

As for GT, I kinda like that club in summer beside the smoke in main bar and I never liked quality of line up, it was real hard to find stunner level girls during my most visit. I just remember few like Kati the Hungarian who is supposed to be Romanian? According to some, and some German girls that were stunners, but very few of them. This was odd because I met some girls before who were absolute stunner in Artemis and some of them supposed to be in GT before.

I always liked service level of both GT and LR as they are same owner right? It will be sad if GT or LR is shut down as some of you claimed though, even though I may not go back to NRW soon, I like to have option when I am in Frankfurt to stretch out and I got so many memories in NRW region, so!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2482829]Thanks. Really useful. And Harmony (Hamburg) is open, Atmos answers the phone to say they are open but website says they are still closed! One of the clubs in Spain also converted to "hotel mode" - you book a room for the night (300 e) and you might want to invite a lady in the club to the room (and pay her on top! I think it persuades local authorities that there will not be a stream of people going to one room and hence virus risk is slightly reduced!![/QUOTE]Wow, that's an expensive hotel room! What makes them put a price of 300 per night, greed&foolishness or desperation & foolishness? It does seem to be a typical business move for Scandalo, if it's them.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2482886]As for GT, I kinda like that club in summer beside the smoke in main bar and I never liked quality of line up, it was real hard to find stunner level girls during my most visit. I just remember few like Kati the Hungarian who is supposed to be Romanian? According to some, and some German girls that were stunners, but very few of them. This was odd because I met some girls before who were absolute stunner in Artemis and some of them supposed to be in GT before.[/QUOTE]Yeah pretty, blue-eyed, blonde, Aryan, German Lilia from Kiel who I met at Artemis used to be at GT. I will never forget how much thick sperm she made me spurt all over her lips. Until my dying days! God I miss being able to monger!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482831]LR is a small club and fell for quality, but when I m the most demanding guy, it was the best club in Germany on 2016/2017, I called it my little Globe which also fell since 2019 . I agree I never understood about GT garden, so far below Oase, World, Sharks, Vanila. Better rooms at LR than GT where only very few good rooms and no more number 7 which was one of the best.[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding. Most of the room have no ventilation and it can be boiling hot in summer. The only downside of the GT garden is the lack of a swimming pool. The large size allowed spaced apart areas for privacy. You can sit and talk with a girl without being disturbed and fuck without someone gawking.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2482890]Wow, that's an expensive hotel room! What makes them put a price of 300 per night, greed&foolishness or desperation & foolishness? It does seem to be a typical business move for Scandalo, if it's them.[/QUOTE]And why not go to a cheaper hotel and pick an escort from so many escort sites? Why should I pay that to an ex-FKK that believes we are stupid?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2482747]Move to VV, what is VV?

LR and GT are same owner as you may very well know and I tend to think GT had more clients than even LR sometimes, but I also know that the town of Bruggen did not want Gt to be in their town, which I as a monger even understand why LOL.[/QUOTE]Villa Vanilla (aka Villa Vertigo, but now from same owner as GT / LR).

Remember the giant riaid in GT earlier this year, and the research they did on taxes, etc. It might take a while for GT to re-open!

[QUOTE=XXL;2482855]The wanker is at it again.[/QUOTE]LOL, indeed very convenient to have an Ignore List, works as a charm!

[QUOTE=Maxime;2482984]Villa Vanilla (aka Villa Vertigo, but now from same owner as GT / LR).

Remember the giant riaid in GT earlier this year, and the research they did on taxes, etc. It might take a while for GT to re-open!

LOL, indeed very convenient to have an Ignore List, works as a charm!.[/QUOTE]Who claim Vanilla belong to GT German owner now? When smaller than GT with less rooms and smaller parking, only with better garden with cold swimming pool.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2482984]Villa Vanilla (aka Villa Vertigo, but now from same owner as GT / LR).

Remember the giant riaid in GT earlier this year, and the research they did on taxes, etc. It might take a while for GT to re-open!

LOL, indeed very convenient to have an Ignore List, works as a charm! [/QUOTE]I hear Villa Vertigo used to be good, but OK now it is called Villa Vanilla then, I never been to that place and I like to know how the line up would be, but I guess it will be similar to GT and LR as same set of girls will rotate LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482831]LR is a small club and fell for quality, but when I m the most demanding guy, it was the best club in Germany on 2016/2017, I called it my little Globe which also fell since 2019 . I agree I never understood about GT garden, so far below Oase, World, Sharks, Vanila. Better rooms at LR than GT where only very few good rooms and no more number 7 which was one of the best.[/QUOTE]Siri, I was at LR many times and I agree that the service being among best at LR, but line up quality were not so beautiful at all, it is more like teeny girl next door type girl and only good thin is most of them are plastic surgery free and no or very little tattoo.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483014]it is more like teeny girl next door type girl [/QUOTE]You say this like it's a bad thing.

I just read that in EU infection rates are rising up and in France, 10000 infections per day, which is highest so far. This is result of people just travelling as they want during summer holiday and it could result in re-closure of FKK again if the infection rate keep on going up.

EU nations should have take measure like UK does, which is the forced quarantine of 2 weeks for those who went abroad.

According to what I have read on a German forum, the WGs and mongers in the clubs in NRW have to wear mask all the time. So do yourself a favor. Buy some transparent masks and ask your WG to put it on before session LOL.

[URL]https://wearaio.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2483242]You say this like it's a bad thing.[/QUOTE]Well it is not too bad, but I tend to like model type stunner girl, so sometimes LR line up was not enough for me, but I did find some good looking next door girl natural beauty that are 7 to 8, but not 9 or 10 that I am seeking for more in FKK and I am used to, but it was good, I did have fun in LR like I always do in any FKK so far, it is men's Disney land, but not with Mickey mouse or Donald duck, but with beautiful prostitutes LOL!

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2483267]According to what I have read on a German forum, the WGs and mongers in the clubs in NRW have to wear mask all the time. So do yourself a favor. Buy some transparent masks and ask your WG to put it on before session LOL.

[URL]https://wearaio.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]AIO mask, funny! Notice that their website and videos only show smile, never anyone talking in that thing. I guess you can smile at WG and make googley eyes with her and that is enough to explain what you want in schlaftzimmer LOL.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2483267]According to what I have read on a German forum, the WGs and mongers in the clubs in NRW have to wear mask all the time.[/QUOTE]From the chat on the german boards. that's probably going to be true but there is no such requirement at the moment as the state has not reacted to the court case yet. I also hear that some towns are also being difficult ordering the clubs to stay closed. Moers will not let Laluna & Diamond open up.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2483267]According to what I have read on a German forum, the WGs and mongers in the clubs in NRW have to wear mask all the time. So do yourself a favor. Buy some transparent masks and ask your WG to put it on before session LOL.

[URL]https://wearaio.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]No, only when moving in the club, like in Samya, but not in restaurant, nor outside, nor when sitting, and same for girls. They put off mask to chat, and of course in room, at least for my last night experience at Samya. Nevertheless, real killing pleasure for me. German and NL forums are not the truth, and for sure french language one is not, with fakers.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2483267]According to what I have read on a German forum, the WGs and mongers in the clubs in NRW have to wear mask all the time. So do yourself a favor. Buy some transparent masks and ask your WG to put it on before session LOL.

[URL]https://wearaio.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Better for many mongers to suggest to the clubs that the girls wear transparent masks. Very unlikely a girl would wear a mask you present to her especially if you present the same mask to many girls.

Better you stay all outside the FKK and P6 scene, just have a small look on what happened in Cap the adge.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483243]I just read that in EU infection rates are rising up and in France, 10000 infections per day, which is highest so far. This is result of people just travelling as they want during summer holiday and it could result in re-closure of FKK again if the infection rate keep on going up.

EU nations should have take measure like UK does, which is the forced quarantine of 2 weeks for those who went abroad.[/QUOTE]No FKK in France. Yesterday 17 deaths with 5 in a old people residence, on average 10 deaths per day. Most of new cases are around 20 yo since this Summer, with around 1 million tests per week. Mask in some big towns, like in German or NL FKK. Not in Switzerland nor Austria.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483286]Well it is not too bad, but I tend to like model type stunner girl, so sometimes LR line up was not enough for me, but I did find some good looking next door girl natural beauty that are 7 to 8, but not 9 or 10 that I am seeking for more in FKK and I am used to, but it was good, I did have fun in LR like I always do in any FKK so far, it is men's Disney land, but not with Mickey mouse or Donald duck, but with beautiful prostitutes LOL![/QUOTE]But Minnie Mouse (Chayenne, Oase) is much sexier than a leggy girl on stilts and 1.80 m.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2483370]Better you stay all outside the FKK and P6 scene, just have a small look on what happened in Cap the adge.[/QUOTE]What happened? Cluster infections?

What I think is very threatening is actually long distance flight as airplane do not have best ventilation one could hope for during crisis? Any pilot here?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2483397]But Minnie Mouse (Chayenne, Oase) is much sexier than a leggy girl on stilts and 1.80 m.[/QUOTE]You mean Shayen / Michele ex Darla LR on 2014, ex Carla GT on 2013 and ex Globe, now silicon, I think she moved to 6 ens NL, lovely, speaking few french words, but don't tell me she is sexy, compare to woman types I got at LR, and I would be happy to find their twin on any of my visits in any club, when I don't even see such girls at Globe, when average face Linda. De is far below for attraction.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2483388]No FKK in France. Yesterday 17 deaths with 5 in a old people residence, on average 10 deaths per day. Most of new cases are around 20 yo since this Summer, with around 1 million tests per week. Mask in some big towns, like in German or NL FKK. Not in Switzerland nor Austria.[/QUOTE]It is good to keep the death rate low and better now as travelling stop as summer is over, but it is simple, stay home during holiday and do not travel around as in summer, Europe was back to how it was just travelling freely as they wish LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2483397]But Minnie Mouse (Chayenne, Oase) is much sexier than a leggy girl on stilts and 1.80 m.[/QUOTE]That is too tall, I like 1.75 and sportive fit body but tight almost thin, but not thin! I get lucky sometimes in FKK! You never know what is inside till you walk into main bar LOL!

I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483744]I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.[/QUOTE]There could be changes. But we are not able to predict those changes. What we observe are only superficial things. To really forecast with any accuracy, we need to know the current ownership structures, contracts, and financial statements. Especially balance sheets and cash flow statements. Debt is a hugely important consideration. Depending on how history unfolded, owners at some clubs may have more debt than some others. More often than not, debt and the difficulty in servicing that debt precipitates ownership changes.

I also suspect that a lot of clubs may have more than one owner. Could be a group of owners. Then it is important to know what is the ownership stake of each party, and what they plan to do in a situation like this. For example, if Sharks has 10 different owners, some with 3% stake and another with 15% stake. Due to this pandemic their cash flows dried up and there is debt payment due, taxes due, some license and other payments due, perhaps some renovations expenses are due. They can collectively borrow fresh money from another bank to pay off these expenses (assuming banks still would lend them money) or they may each be needed to pony up some new cash to keep the club going and pay for those expenses. If one of that group of 10 does not have any cash to put in, his stake would be diluted and in the worst case, he may be forced to exit the partnership.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2484002]There could be changes. But we are not able to predict those changes. What we observe are only superficial things. To really forecast with any accuracy, we need to know the current ownership structures, contracts, and financial statements. Especially balance sheets and cash flow statements. Debt is a hugely important consideration. Depending on how history unfolded, owners at some clubs may have more debt than some others. More often than not, debt and the difficulty in servicing that debt precipitates ownership changes.

I also suspect that a lot of clubs may have more than one owner. Could be a group of owners. Then it is important to know what is the ownership stake of each party, and what they plan to do in a situation like this. For example, if Sharks has 10 different owners, some with 3% stake and another with 15% stake. Due to this pandemic their cash flows dried up and there is debt payment due, taxes due, some license and other payments due, perhaps some renovations expenses are due. They can collectively borrow fresh money from another bank to pay off these expenses (assuming banks still would lend them money) or they may each be needed to pony up some new cash to keep the club going and pay for those expenses. If one of that group of 10 does not have any cash to put in, his stake would be diluted and in the worst case, he may be forced to exit the partnership.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just for chit chat Artemis has two owners which are brothers! The one you often see walking around in club Kennan and the other one you never see in club. These FKK owners are always amusing due to the nature of business and it always interest me how they began in the industry and also raised money because bank will never lend money for entrepreneur who want to open FKK or any kind of brothel.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483744]I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.[/QUOTE]I don't think that big clubs like Sharks and Oase will have big effect when they open. People would prefer to walk into larger area where they can also escape in garden and take of mask. The larger the club the less risk I think. On the other hand clubs without garden like Palace might have a serious problem when they re open. I believe smaller clubs and those without garden will have the major issues.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483744]I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on weather or not they had large debt, and if they were the owner of the facilities in addition to the just operating the club.

When it comes to the Oceans lockers, they did try out at least 3 different approaches. And changed out the locks a lot of times, so I don't know if that was due to economics. They have also kept the bar and restaurant open it seems for awhile. So maybe they made some money there.

I think Oase should have a good economy. And at least not much debt. They did renovate recently though, but I don't know if that created too much debt.

If the GT owners have 3 clubs (plus VV and LR), a reduction to just 2 probably depends more on girls and customers than economy. GT has made so much money that I doubt the economy is the main reason. Also why they had the financials to take over VV too.

Some smaller clubs are probably in a worse position. PHG also? And I don't know about Magnum.

Yes, it is plausible that banks are not the main lenders to these fuck clubs. I never had to borrow from German banks in Germany, never launched a fuck club, so I would not know but it is plausible. Could be shadow banking system. Private funds, other 3rd party sources. Due to the nature of this business, a lot of numbers may be off the income statement / balance sheet; for example, when a club is first starting, to attract girls, does it have to pay off lover boys? If they do, I don't think they will be recording those expenses honestly. Any sort of illegal expense will most likely be off the official statements and in which case it would be tough for a reputed bank to ascertain the club's ongoing financial condition which is needed to extend loans. Don't people say many of these clubs are gang owned? If that is the case, everything may be opaque -- one set of statements for tax authorities and government, and one which records the true financials of the club for their gang owners. I have no clue and I am randomly speculating. But this is another reason these things would not trade as stocks in public markets (until everything is above the table).

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2484099]I don't think that big clubs like Sharks and Oase will have big effect when they open. People would prefer to walk into larger area where they can also escape in garden and take of mask. The larger the club the less risk I think. On the other hand clubs without garden like Palace might have a serious problem when they re open. I believe smaller clubs and those without garden will have the major issues.[/QUOTE]Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!

I like palace the best in Frankfurt, but it may give me another reason to try out Oase once again as usually I am just stuck in palace for my line up preference reason!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2484133]I think it depends on weather or not they had large debt, and if they were the owner of the facilities in addition to the just operating the club.

When it comes to the Oceans lockers, they did try out at least 3 different approaches. And changed out the locks a lot of times, so I don't know if that was due to economics. They have also kept the bar and restaurant open it seems for awhile. So maybe they made some money there.

I think Oase should have a good economy. And at least not much debt. They did renovate recently though, but I don't know if that created too much debt.

If the GT owners have 3 clubs (plus VV and LR), a reduction to just 2 probably depends more on girls and customers than economy. GT has made so much money that I doubt the economy is the main reason. Also why they had the financials to take over VV too.

Some smaller clubs are probably in a worse position. PHG also? And I don't know about Magnum.[/QUOTE]I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484320]I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world![/QUOTE]How can you be so sure that no bank would lend money? It's a legal, regulated business in Germany. You / we might be surprised. Actually, I wouldn't be. Who knows? But I think like the main thing you say is that the main problem is no revenue no way to pay for certain costs that don't go away just because your doors are closed. And if there are outstanding loans, then no way to service that debt either. Things are already beyond "dicey" to severe. This has been going on for months!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484320]I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world![/QUOTE]Actually, in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, banks and other investment businesses do give legit loans to open an FKK business if you can show a solid business plan. Similar to how strip clubs in USA get legit loans. Bigger challenge is to deal with local mafias depending on the area. In some cases, local mafias are also seed or angel investors in these legit sex businesses, which also helps them to use some laundry services.

Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2484260]Yes, it is plausible that banks are not the main lenders to these fuck clubs.[/QUOTE]Merely plausible?

Come on guys, wake the fuck up: it's mostly criminal money that's being invested and laundered in these clubs. Why do you think the police does all those raids? They know where the money comes from but can't prove it, so they chose to harass them instead.

Next time you're in Germany, pay attention to all those slot machine and casino places in small sleepy provincial towns with an expensive Audi or BMW of the owner parked in front. Again, just like FKKs, it's a "cash only" business and ideal for laundering money.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484318]Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!

I like palace the best in Frankfurt, but it may give me another reason to try out Oase once again as usually I am just stuck in palace for my line up preference reason![/QUOTE]Very well said. People who worry about catching the disease, should better stay off FKK's in the first place.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484318]Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!...............[/QUOTE]I usually visit FKKs in the summer but this year I changed and visited in January, February and March and I'm so glad I did.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2484369]Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).[/QUOTE]When I think about FKK owners my mind comes across Ozark the Netflix series.

BTW how many of us have got a receipt when we pay for entrance in cash?

Annually income in cash 4 mil.

Income in financial statements 1 mil.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2484497]I usually visit FKKs in the summer but this year I changed and visited in January, February and March and I'm so glad I did.[/QUOTE]Haha, whatta coincidence, me too, I went to FKK, but in Zurich during end of Jan. And early Feb. And yes me too, I am glad I did!

However, I must say summer is best time to visit FKK and I have so much never forget memory in many different FKK.

FKK sell you memories for life, not just sex!

And we will be back!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2484342]Actually, in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, banks and other investment businesses do give legit loans to open an FKK business if you can show a solid business plan. Similar to how strip clubs in USA get legit loans. Bigger challenge is to deal with local mafias depending on the area. In some cases, local mafias are also seed or angel investors in these legit sex businesses, which also helps them to use some laundry services.[/QUOTE]Really? What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN? I thought strip club and sex industry were taken out of portfolio?

Well it always is mystery how FKK owner put together millions of euro to open FKK especially Artemis costed I think it was 5 million or 6 million euro to construct, I think it was written in wikipedia or some article, it is huge amount to put together for individual, precisely two Turkish brothers! So I thought it is not bank, but some organization behind as these two brothers seems more or less legit!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2484332]How can you be so sure that no bank would lend money? It's a legal, regulated business in Germany. You / we might be surprised. Actually, I wouldn't be. Who knows? But I think like the main thing you say is that the main problem is no revenue no way to pay for certain costs that don't go away just because your doors are closed. And if there are outstanding loans, then no way to service that debt either. Things are already beyond "dicey" to severe. This has been going on for months![/QUOTE]Because of Principle of responsible investment set by UN, these industry has been taken out! Yeah, cost accumulate and it can be problematic for FKK owners who own few FKKs or mega FKK venue owners as bigger the venue, more staffs are needed etc and more money needed to maintain during closure!

Once it open safely we mongers will be the borderless brothel rescuer to support the sustainability of FKK eco system! We believe in sustainability of FKK!

[QUOTE=Gobernador;2484395]Very well said. People who worry about catching the disease, should better stay off FKK's in the first place.[/QUOTE]I went early this year luckily, so I am planning to stay away till sometimes toward second half of year 2021 if this covid19 seems over!

Till then, I am at most obedient and cheapest FKK there is called FKK my right hand and pornhub or use my imagination when I was at FKK! Luckily, I copy pasted some of FKK girls facebook photos to jerk off to while they kept me on their facebook friend list LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2484369]Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).[/QUOTE]I follow you on this. Hells own Finca, World, Mainhattan, not far from Sharks, I think also for Leipzig and Artemis. Italian for Oase. They don't need bank, yes washing machines. But I go only for girls. On last evening, Globe owner was very polite when I had diner, but I have nothing to say to him, just danke, on the other hand I wish I found Romanian charm I was looking for, really charming, when I m bored about the prettiest German at Globe, not Linda for me, after only 4 rooms, but she is losing charm.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484737]Really? What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN? I thought strip club and sex industry were taken out of portfolio?

Well it always is mystery how FKK owner put together millions of euro to open FKK especially Artemis costed I think it was 5 million or 6 million euro to construct, I think it was written in wikipedia or some article, it is huge amount to put together for individual, precisely two Turkish brothers! So I thought it is not bank, but some organization behind as these two brothers seems more or less legit![/QUOTE]That UN principle is simply a guideline, without any real enforcement. Kinda like WHO (which is an arm of UN) guidelines on Coronavirus LOL. Who would report if a small local bank or an investment firm puts few millions to a legit business. Same like tech startups, only that less multiples of returns but greater chances of positive returns.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484737]Really? What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN? I thought strip club and sex industry were taken out of portfolio?

Well it always is mystery how FKK owner put together millions of euro to open FKK especially Artemis costed I think it was 5 million or 6 million euro to construct, I think it was written in wikipedia or some article, it is huge amount to put together for individual, precisely two Turkish brothers! So I thought it is not bank, but some organization behind as these two brothers seems more or less legit![/QUOTE]"What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN?" - Banks are regulated by their local regulators in their jurisdiction -- FDIC or OCC or the Fed in the US for example. There is no UN authority over bank lending in US for sure, and probably not in Germany either.

Also, 5 to 6 mil Euros is not "huge amount" - I will bet at least a few guys attending Sharks and Artemis daily would have that much net worth personally. 99% of them will not do it however. Just because they have 5 mil does not mean they will "invest" it into a fuck club.

That strikes me. I was a bit too harsh in my prior argument with Mr. Phallus. A publicly traded stock is easier to purchase discreetly. And purchase in smaller amounts. Right now if I want to own a piece of Sharks, I have to hope that the current Sharks owner will want me as a partner next to him; that all the existing owners will accept me and take me in and give me a reasonably good deal; I also need to pony up a large amount (hundreds of thousands at least), and if I am married then my spouse is very likely to know about it. On the other hand if it is traded as a public stock, I can buy and sell shares when I want to and unless your spouse is checking your brokerage account frequently, she might never know about it, and even if she checked the brokerage statement she might not register in her mind that you bought shares in a fuck club if it shows up as another stock SHRK, next to the shares you have SHOP (Shopify), SHW (Sherwin Williams) and SHAK (Shake Shack). Easy to hide your Sharks ownership in the middle of a bunch of similar symbols haha. And you can buy stock worth 10 or 20 grand as opposed to spending $250 K to buy a few percent points stake in the club directly.

Italians make and sell pizza and pasta maybe?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2484369]Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).[/QUOTE]Artemis is owned by Kennan and his big brother, and if there is some other owner, it is most likely Turkish origin organization! But some say these guys are Kurdish, not Turkish! Well, who knows!

As for HA, Colloseum is also owned by HA! I did like some of HA pimped German girls, but only at the beginning when these girls begin because after few years they begin to get tattoo, plastic surgeries, too big tit job as HA like them to have; This is not my type!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2484872]"What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN?" - Banks are regulated by their local regulators in their jurisdiction -- FDIC or OCC or the Fed in the US for example. There is no UN authority over bank lending in US for sure, and probably not in Germany either.

Also, 5 to 6 mil Euros is not "huge amount" - I will bet at least a few guys attending Sharks and Artemis daily would have that much net worth personally. 99% of them will not do it however. Just because they have 5 mil does not mean they will "invest" it into a fuck club.

That strikes me. I was a bit too harsh in my prior argument with Mr. Phallus. A publicly traded stock is easier to purchase discreetly. And purchase in smaller amounts. Right now if I want to own a piece of Sharks, I have to hope that the current Sharks owner will want me as a partner next to him; that all the existing owners will accept me and take me in and give me a reasonably good deal; I also need to pony up a large amount (hundreds of thousands at least), and if I am married then my spouse is very likely to know about it. On the other hand if it is traded as a public stock, I can buy and sell shares when I want to and unless your spouse is checking your brokerage account frequently, she might never know about it, and even if she checked the brokerage statement she might not register in her mind that you bought shares in a fuck club if it shows up as another stock SHRK, next to the shares you have SHOP (Shopify), SHW (Sherwin Williams) and SHAK (Shake Shack). Easy to hide your Sharks ownership in the middle of a bunch of similar symbols haha. And you can buy stock worth 10 or 20 grand as opposed to spending $250 K to buy a few percent points stake in the club directly.[/QUOTE]Investing into sex industry is one thing, but surviving it is another thing and beside the lucrative appearance of the industry. I think it is very hard industry to be stay afloat dealing with shady people you are forced to deal with due to the nature of the industry and also you have to deal with biggest mafia of all called government at all levels, law enforcement at all levels etc.

Let just say certain grey area people comes with this territory and normal guy from normal world won't be able to survive that I think? But some owners of FKK seems normal, but who knows behind the scene as it is one foot in shady world business and we mongers are the real money suppliers to this food chain or eco system of FKK business including pimping network LOL We are the demand, so they supply for us!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484897]Artemis is owned by Kennan and his big brother, and if there is some other owner, it is most likely Turkish origin organization! But some say these guys are Kurdish, not Turkish! Well, who knows!

As for HA, Colloseum is also owned by HA! I did like some of HA pimped German girls, but only at the beginning when these girls begin because after few years they begin to get tattoo, plastic surgeries, too big tit job as HA like them to have; This is not my type![/QUOTE]They could be Kurdish Turkish? Kurdistan is not a country. Yet anyway. So nobody is only Kurdish for the time being. At least not legally speaking.

In addition to the tattoos and too much silicone on many of the German girls seen especially at Artemis and GT over the years, you forgot the one thing that creeps me out the most: the liters of Botox they slap all over their faces. Welcome to the uncanny valley! As if some of the early simulation programmers were bikers.

Heck, I will start calling that short hallway between the lounge and the outdoors by the restaurant at GT for 'The Uncanny Valley'. Then there should be no confusion.

"You know you have to pass through The Uncanny Valley to get to that pretty girl at the lounge inside. Are you up for the task"?

"Let us go on a journey through the dangers of The Uncanny Valley before we get a snack".

"Do you know of all the challenges lurking in The Uncanny Valley? You might need to if you plan on going outside".

"Fuck it, lets finnish that quest asking us to go through The Uncanny Valley, before hitting the sunbeds outside".

"It is Halloween! Let us celebrate by walking back and forth through The Uncanny Valley fifteen times".

Etc.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2484868]That UN principle is simply a guideline, without any real enforcement. Kinda like WHO (which is an arm of UN) guidelines on Coronavirus LOL. Who would report if a small local bank or an investment firm puts few millions to a legit business. Same like tech startups, only that less multiples of returns but greater chances of positive returns.[/QUOTE]WHO is arm of UN? Oh I thought it was an arm of China LOL!

Yeah, true that, it is merely a guideline, but usually, banks are afraid of media writing about such loan to shady business and you know most media love sex related topic tied to legit entities, it makes feminists go nuts the most, but society tend to love reading about such story and criticize such investment! But hey, more FKK would be good for us mongers, so we should draw new guide line called Principle for men's happiness investment! Which will mostly evolved around brothels, FKK, massage parlor, special Romanian relaxing salons, sugar daddy help line call center for helping out young German girls in need, charity united monger sns sites for young beautiful girls in need etc LOL!

We mongers are the return on investment side of the FKK ecosystem and we are committed to make young beautiful girls life more stable by investing our fund into their life, we mongers are the united nation for these girls supporting their life that once they dreamed of into reality LOL! They seems to love us for that too, well at least we do the same act as making love LOL! The results are the same! LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484973]Investing into sex industry is one thing, but surviving it is another thing and beside the lucrative appearance of the industry. I think it is very hard industry to be stay afloat dealing with shady people you are forced to deal with due to the nature of the industry and also you have to deal with biggest mafia of all called government at all levels, law enforcement at all levels etc.

Let just say certain grey area people comes with this territory and normal guy from normal world won't be able to survive that I think? But some owners of FKK seems normal, but who knows behind the scene as it is one foot in shady world business and we mongers are the real money suppliers to this food chain or eco system of FKK business including pimping network LOL We are the demand, so they supply for us![/QUOTE]I used to visit weekly World when I had my model walking, 29 yo Romanian beauty. I loved to have her most of times only for me and when I told her I couldn't come on week end but only on Wednesday, when Wengen and Kitzbühel ski Worldcup, she came on Wednesday. From 2015, World is most often quite empty, they can't make positive income from FKK, but not a problem for Hells, but a washing machine. Brothels are not normal companies, like WGs are not normal women. Different world.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484741]I went early this year luckily, so I am planning to stay away till sometimes toward second half of year 2021 if this covid19 seems over!

Till then, I am at most obedient and cheapest FKK there is called FKK my right hand and pornhub or use my imagination when I was at FKK! Luckily, I copy pasted some of FKK girls facebook photos to jerk off to while they kept me on their facebook friend list LOL![/QUOTE]Sometimes when I'm banging an ugly hooker here I try to imagine I'm in an FKK shagging a lovely Romanian.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485073]Sometimes when I'm banging an ugly hooker here I try to imagine I'm in an FKK shagging a lovely Romanian.[/QUOTE]Why do you waste your money for ugly? I don't mind to pay expensive if girl worth, but I hate to waste when average. GND for 50 are more expensive for me than beauties for more expensive, but beauties with charm are rare.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485073]Sometimes when I'm banging an ugly hooker here I try to imagine I'm in an FKK shagging a lovely Romanian.[/QUOTE]I don't fuck fugly hookers hahahaha!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485032]WHO is arm of UN? Oh I thought it was an arm of China LOL!

Yeah, true that, it is merely a guideline, but usually, banks are afraid of media writing about such loan to shady business and you know most media love sex related topic tied to legit entities, it makes feminists go nuts the most, but society tend to love reading about such story and criticize such investment! But hey, more FKK would be good for us mongers, so we should draw new guide line called Principle for men's happiness investment! Which will mostly evolved around brothels, FKK, massage parlor, special Romanian relaxing salons, sugar daddy help line call center for helping out young German girls in need, charity united monger sns sites for young beautiful girls in need etc LOL!

We mongers are the return on investment side of the FKK ecosystem and we are committed to make young beautiful girls life more stable by investing our fund into their life, we mongers are the united nation for these girls supporting their life that once they dreamed of into reality LOL! They seems to love us for that too, well at least we do the same act as making love LOL! The results are the same! LOL![/QUOTE]Exactly! Main stream media needs to learn that it's not only for the mental and physical health of the men, the sex industry actually helps save lots of people who are unfortunately born in economically disadvantageous situations, both in poor as well as in rich countries. Being stuck up in the theory that prostitution is bad is stupid, naive and counter-productive for the society. Countries like Germany and Switzerland learned it over the years, we just need to educate rest of the world. Consensual sex with anyone anytime anywhere is how the next New World will have peace and prosperity. Can I get an Amen?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485073]Sometimes when I'm banging an ugly hooker here I try to imagine I'm in an FKK shagging a lovely Romanian.[/QUOTE]For me, it is quality and not quantity, so I do not go with girls who are ugly or old, they are not my thing, I am very selective that most of time I am glued to sweet spot of FKK where I can see girls clearly under good light to be sure she is beautiful and young enough (skin etc.) for me to take her to room for sex!

However, I am based in Tokyo, so I do escort sometimes only when I find beautiful girls for me for my level of choice, I tend to just go for Eurasian here in Tokyo and I have quite many beautiful collections of them that I fucked some even famous like Maria ozawa at her prime when she was young, and Rola Takizawa (AKA Rola Misaki) and some others that are on TV who are famous, not porn stars!

I fucked about 200 girls in my life, (I take notes but I cannot be bother to go to my office room in my house now), about 200 girls may be not a lot for mongers like me who has been monger since age of 17, so now I have 23 years of experience in mongering, but one thing I can assure to myself or to anyone is that all of those about 200 girls are top level young stunner beauties!

I consider myself as a collector of sexual experience and memories with beautiful girls!

However, when quality girls are not around or I cannot go to FKK like right now, I got the best wing man by me all the time to take care of my need, called my right hand LOL!

No, I actually have some porn I made for my self or I also have some photos of FKK girls I fucked that I took from their facebook profile before they delete the profile or block me as they realize I am a client and not friend, this always happen after while without any big reason, well anyways, I use those material and I actually have top level masturbation holes and nice gel to satisfy my need LOL!

Then again I go to FKK or again some beautiful Eurasian comes in to the industry fresh and beautiful for me to fuck! Till then, I stay low and wait! I am young beautiful prostitute hunter with patience and passion only for beautiful LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2484984]They could be Kurdish Turkish? Kurdistan is not a country. Yet anyway. So nobody is only Kurdish for the time being. At least not legally speaking.

In addition to the tattoos and too much silicone on many of the German girls seen especially at Artemis and GT over the years, you forgot the one thing that creeps me out the most: the liters of Botox they slap all over their faces. Welcome to the uncanny valley! As if some of the early simulation programmers were bikers.[/QUOTE]Yeah their Botox usually begin with lip like a duck lip they want, which is horrible then spread to different part of the face and after they look like a boxer after the fight LOL!

Then Graffitti works begin on their body, why bikers do this? Maybe make them not to have normal job but only in brothel!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485063]I used to visit weekly World when I had my model walking, 29 yo Romanian beauty. I loved to have her most of times only for me and when I told her I couldn't come on week end but only on Wednesday, when Wengen and Kitzbhel ski Worldcup, she came on Wednesday. From 2015, World is most often quite empty, they can't make positive income from FKK, but not a problem for Hells, but a washing machine. Brothels are not normal companies, like WGs are not normal women. Different world.[/QUOTE]I met some German girls who does FKK only for summer and they were decent girls and all natural, but that is early 2010's LOL! Recently not many natural Germans around, but I do meet still like Linda was one this year and last year I met another one is Artemis, but she was half turk and half German, but also natural!

Siri, you climb mountain as rock climbing like cliff hunger? Or you just hike up as in walk up?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2485161]Exactly! Main stream media needs to learn that it's not only for the mental and physical health of the men, the sex industry actually helps save lots of people who are unfortunately born in economically disadvantageous situations, both in poor as well as in rich countries. Being stuck up in the theory that prostitution is bad is stupid, naive and counter-productive for the society. Countries like Germany and Switzerland learned it over the years, we just need to educate rest of the world. Consensual sex with anyone anytime anywhere is how the next New World will have peace and prosperity. Can I get an Amen?[/QUOTE]Vice Versa, it works for some of us men too like us, high quality mongering with stunner level beauties make me stay away from for me mentally insane dating scene that is too stressful and irrational and do not make sense to me, so it is saving my life in so many ways to alleviate so much problems I would have run into including stress etc if such good quality mongering do not exist!

So it has good balance, we help them, and they help us, how sustainable is that! I should get a job in sustainability in UN LOL! And it is real my own version of the Principle of responsible investment, I invest in young beautiful stunner girls directly LOL! For me this is being responsible! LOL!

And what about the girls when they are 35+ and mostly no more able to earn enough in P6? Also a lot of them have still no money after so many year in prostitution. Is it still the best solution for them, or better go to school, learn a job a build step by step a career with a future. We are animals (Darwin) even without P6 scene the best are able to get sex).

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2485235]And what about the girls when they are 35+ and mostly no more able to earn enough in P6? Also a lot of them have still no money after so many year in prostitution. Is it still the best solution for them, or better go to school, learn a job a build step by step a career with a future. We are animals (Darwin) even without P6 scene the best are able to get sex).[/QUOTE]They have to find some dumb ass in FKK who would marry them before their expiration date as an attractive woman! There are some cases where mongers marry working girl! It is such an opposite use of FKK for me!

I go there to fulfill my lust and sexual fantasies! Period!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485180]I met some German girls who does FKK only for summer and they were decent girls and all natural, but that is early 2010's LOL! Recently not many natural Germans around, but I do meet still like Linda was one this year and last year I met another one is Artemis, but she was half turk and half German, but also natural!

Siri, you climb mountain as rock climbing like cliff hunger? Or you just hike up as in walk up?[/QUOTE]Yes, Linda is full natural, very slim, around 1,72 model type, but not wow face and what I call a low level girl. Typical German WGs level.

When I discovered charming miracle Romanian at 2. 30 am at Globe on Thursday night, my mind was already concentrating on Prato 24 kms up to Stelvio for the record, I climbed on Friday, when I stopped after 18 kms on August because I emptied my body after violent intense efforts in Zoncolan and Mortirolo on previous days. She asked me if I had hotel, maybe it was a proposition, but short sleep in car before driving through Fluelapass and Umbrail. I go only for the most difficult climbing roads, I stop the car at the bottom, I take bicycle and I climb sprint in red zone for heart, only for record. If times are not good, I stop, I m only interested by performance. On this Summer I stopped 6 times in la Bonette. FR 2802 meters high, because of weather or not good enough on chronometer. This game in most difficult like hell of Zoncolan. It with 2 kms for more than 19% average, Mortirolo. It, in both, You feel your body and head are burning everywhere. Zoncolan is linked with Fuiji peak. Of course both side of legendary Stelvio. It, Mont Ventoux, Galibier, Agnel. For my Summer holidays, everybody told me: You can't miss new one in France, col de la Loze, first time tour de France would climb, so I went to discover, but after a part of Cormet Roselend, and I agree with Roglic. Slo, very violent because not regular, at least in Zoncolan, after 3,5 kms, You are so much burning everywhere, with so deep pain, nearly in apnee for breathing, after Toledo Eagle picture, You don t feel anymore your body so You don t feel anymore pain, You just have to manage to keep rythm with your technique, only fighting spirit to try to perform up. I was happy to read some tour de France professional racers, when this is the highest level race, not meaning the most difficult, climbed on most climby parts at 5 km / h in grupetto, so I may compete with them on very climby around 20%. I had Cormet Roselend before, but they had around 150 kms with col de la Madeleine 2000 meters high before. Since 2003 I started, like good French wine, I really improved, I just have to be more concentrated to prepare, when I forgot water to climb Mont Ventoux on last year, so after 19 kms, at only 2 kms below the top, even I ate while climbing, but no more water in body and blood and really made heart working very hard to finish, tears going under nervous and rage pressure, and of course failed for record. On next week end, snow on top, so couldn t reach top. These are my wonderful Summer dreams and as long I will be able to improve my records, this is my Summer paradise playfield, and same in Winter. Climbing's are not finished yet, but look forward Christmas and snow for free ride, I missed so much on last Winter. Will be maximum attack, cutting snow, making lines in virgin snow, my Winter wonderful dreams, when FKK are only week end datcha and my regulars always knew they can t compete. As written now at the bottom of Mortirolo, follow your passion. Since 10 years, I live only for my passions, just working to make enough money to play my passions, when I can make more than double, but I only dream about my passions. On Thursday, even I was so happy to meet new charm for me at Globe, but I was only focused for my passion. Globe was only restaurant even not good pasta, and as I answered her: I relax, when she asked why I didn't come to her earlier when she saw me sitting, but not going with any girl, when I can be weekly when no confined. But she gave me hopes to find a attractive girl looking and behaving like a woman.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2485235]And what about the girls when they are 35+ and mostly no more able to earn enough in P6? Also a lot of them have still no money after so many year in prostitution. Is it still the best solution for them, or better go to school, learn a job a build step by step a career with a future. We are animals (Darwin) even without P6 scene the best are able to get sex).[/QUOTE]Not the highest level German or Romanian women in brothels, and not many in escorting. High level women know their value as woman, even they may make less money for while WGs work in brothels. I remember my best FKK girl when she started at LR, claiming she would never go with some, when I didn't ask her anything, but those became her biggest money clients, she totally lost self esteem, ready for anything for money as I told her, making her angry and much more when I told her I didn't desire anymore her image, far below what she claimed, even worst than Daria for me, when she told me: I'm better than her, because she knew how I looked at Daria, her only challenger about me, when she thought she was far higher level than other girls, but fell on same level. But I have to give her, when she was not angry and not biting, she always had great behavior for me and I would have always gone for her weekly for her nearly 3 years, if she didn't dirty her own image. She became a WG not for me and my standards, even still my best since 3 years.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485178]For me, it is quality and not quantity, so I do not go with girls who are ugly or old, they are not my thing...........[/QUOTE]When I am in FKK I can be selective but here I have no choice. Some days my decision is either to bang ugly babe or masturbate to hot babes on pornhub.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2485235]And what about the girls when they are 35+ and mostly no more able to earn enough in P6? Also a lot of them have still no money after so many year in prostitution. Is it still the best solution for them, or better go to school, learn a job a build step by step a career with a future. We are animals (Darwin) even without P6 scene the best are able to get sex).[/QUOTE]Almost all the working girls I speak with have long term goals to save money to buy a house or start a business. I am hoping that when they reach age 35 they would have succeeded.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485391]Almost all the working girls I speak with have long term goals to save money to buy a house or start a business. I am hoping that when they reach age 35 they would have succeeded.[/QUOTE]Financial management is not an easy skill. Living within means and saving for the longer term is not something that comes naturally to many people and especially these girls. Even millionaires from sports have bankrupted themselves. Evander Holyfield made $250 M in life and less than a decade into retirement he was almost bankrupt. Boris Becker made $70 M in life and yet was destitute. Bjorn Borg was selling his Wimbledon trophies. Those guys have the advantage of managers, financial advisors and professional consultants and yet can't manage. These fuck club girls are easy prey to their family members, corrupt boyfriends and most of all their own bad habits and lack of financial discipline.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485391]Almost all the working girls I speak with have long term goals to save money to buy a house or start a business. I am hoping that when they reach age 35 they would have succeeded.[/QUOTE]You know how most lottery winners go broke after a few years? A lot of these girls are no different. Once they become addicted to the fast money they start spending it freely on cars, clothes, their husbands / boyfriends, etc. To prove that they are "successful" or have money. They could've gotten the a3/ a5 but got that a7, a decent house but built one twice their budget. They'll end up w / a nice car and if they're lucky a house once their done assuming their pimps didn't take it from them but most of them will end up working at a salon or some other crappy job driving a nice / old car.

EL: If now you start to believe what a prostitute is saying, just travel to Romania like me and speak with the people so many girls returned opened a business and cloded after several weeks, just try to think what those girls can do except sucking dicks and open their legs to anyone willing to pay 50 euros, running a business needs some knowledge. Not only money.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485279]They have to find some dumb ass in FKK who would marry them before their expiration date as an attractive woman! There are some cases where mongers marry working girl! It is such an opposite use of FKK for me!

I go there to fulfill my lust and sexual fantasies! Period![/QUOTE]But the guy who is marrying these FKK girls is getting the sex for free while you paid for it haha.

Not to mention he is probably stealing all her money and her cars.

And some of the girls may not be 35. Could be a 25 year old FKK girl, in which case he fucks at home for free with no condom and she comes to the club, some dumber naive Asian dude pays her 300 for half hour for the privilege of eating her unwashed pussy in which her BF had just cum plus 2 minutes of anal and 3 minutes of lesbo with another girl, DFK thrown in for 30 sec. And the lover boy is laughing at these guys while he drives a BMW paid for by the club visitors.

I guess this is the food chain of fuck clubs.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485450]But the guy who is marrying these FKK girls is getting the sex for free while you paid for it haha.

Not to mention he is probably stealing all her money and her cars.

And some of the girls may not be 35. Could be a 25 year old FKK girl, in which case he fucks at home for free with no condom and she comes to the club, some dumber naive Asian dude pays her 300 for half hour for the privilege of eating her unwashed pussy in which her BF had just cum plus 2 minutes of anal and 3 minutes of lesbo with another girl, DFK thrown in for 30 sec. And the lover boy is laughing at these guys while he drives a BMW paid for by the club visitors.

I guess this is the food chain of fuck clubs.[/QUOTE]Whether they are married or not, you can count on it that somebody else is fucking these girls for free. Like you say, that's the way the food chain spins around. Thing is, I don't care. I get it how I like to. Take a two to three week vacation, and easily fuck between 20 and 30 tutes in that timeframe, including most of them in the ass LOL! Virtually no man is getting it like that for free, or even with money for that matter. Nobody! Especially up their "yin yangs" LOL! You would have to be the Sultan of the Ottomans to be getting it like that. Or maybe the king of Thailand even hahahaha! I understand he spends more time in Germany than in Thailand. Can you say "FKK" LOL! Oh, but I'm sure he has his tutes brought in to him. No way is he rubbing elbows with the likes of a "commoner" like me in the locker room. His multiple palaces will also be superior to my sole "Palace" LOL! But, at least I can get to live like a monarch for two to three week stretches at a time with plenty of "concubines" to keep me happy. Well, that is before this damned virus! Grrrrr!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2485441]EL: If now you start to believe what a prostitute is saying, just travel to Romania like me and speak with the people so many girls returned opened a business and cloded after several weeks, just try to think what those girls can do except sucking dicks and open their legs to anyone willing to pay 50 euros, running a business needs some knowledge. Not only money.[/QUOTE]Yup I know this from experience also. Most of them do not think 5-10 years in the future they only think about making fast money now. The ones that make it are in and out of the business fast they invest in education to become a dentist in Germany like one girl I know or they save up for their business instead of pretending like they're well off or feeding their pimps lifestyle. Its funny when girls ask me what I drive. I tell them and they go oh like an A5 is some poor person's car. Some of them might drive around in an a7, porsche, amg, etc. But they bought theirs used while I bought mine new and in 5-10 years the cars will be old and I'll just buy another brand new car. Most of these girls will just compete with each other their whole lives in the club and it'll transition to their businesses when they all try to open a salon and compete against each other for the customers.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485450]But the guy who is marrying these FKK girls is getting the sex for free while you paid for it haha.

Not to mention he is probably stealing all her money and her cars.

And some of the girls may not be 35. Could be a 25 year old FKK girl, in which case he fucks at home for free with no condom and she comes to the club, some dumber naive Asian dude pays her 300 for half hour for the privilege of eating her unwashed pussy in which her BF had just cum plus 2 minutes of anal and 3 minutes of lesbo with another girl, DFK thrown in for 30 sec. And the lover boy is laughing at these guys while he drives a BMW paid for by the club visitors.

I guess this is the food chain of fuck clubs.[/QUOTE]There is flip side to that coin, I pay about 75 euro per 30 min as I pay 150 euro for one hour! And I manage to get rid of her after with big happy smile on my face and eternal memory! What I do not want is to deal with women beside sex, so for me this food chain is win win situation As for lover boys and pimps, I do not consider them to be such an idiot, but I appreciate for their existence because they gives us shortcut, they do the works and we just pay very small amount considering the effort and risks they have to take as pimping is illegal and not stable job and you mention BMW, I mean that's it? That is all they got? My watch can buy some of BMW LOL! However, I do not denounce them because again without them we got ourselves into situation that we do not want to be and pimp or loverboys are very important to keep this foodchain that satisfy our appetite! This is my mindset and I am appreciative for the works done by all people involved in FKK food chain and also keeping price so low! I mean come on man! It is 75 euro for 30 min for GFE I can do what I want service, I even get my anal cleaned with their tongue! For me I call this still bargain and hey, it used to be 50 euro per 30 min BBBJ and fuck session, 50 euro before the 2017 new law! I call that insane bargain! And I can count such sessions, but I got rimmed and DFK and all in some of those 50 euro 30 min session too, though it was rare, but I still look back to those pre 2017 days and go wow, it was the golden era of mongering history of this planet, 50 euro per 30 min for stunner level girl! How insane fire sale price is that LOL!

Once Karl Lagerfeld said, I do not like to have sex with people I love, this exactly is my mindset, I got some few female friends that I consider good friends and they are good looking as I am very aesthetic person, but I do not want to have sex with them or any one close to me, I like to separate my personal life and sex life because I realized that I need more than one beautiful women and she has to be not only beautiful, but also young! Among other reasons that are rational.

For above reason, I must disagree with you about PIMP or loverboys, I appreciate the service they offer to us, I mean they really did created Zara or Uniqlo level fast fashion industry business model to brothel, extremely reasonable even cheap price for young beautiful stunner girls! We have to dig a bit, but in FKK I found many top stunner beauty! I call this innovative!

I am a happy client still and I hope FKK industry people including pimp, loverboys etc keep this level of service for years to come! As Mandarin Oriental ad once said, I am a fan LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485388]When I am in FKK I can be selective but here I have no choice. Some days my decision is either to bang ugly babe or masturbate to hot babes on pornhub.[/QUOTE]If I live in such area, then I would just jerk off, for me I am extremely selective when choosing girl to fuck! But it is each their own,. Maybe get your self nice gel and masturbation hole can help to stay away from ugly tutes?

We are special situation now due to covid, but all you have to do is to take one flight and you are in Germany! So stay put buddy!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485368]Yes, Linda is full natural, very slim, around 1,72 model type, but not wow face and what I call a low level girl. Typical German WGs level.

When I discovered charming miracle Romanian at 2. 30 am at Globe on Thursday night, my mind was already concentrating on Prato 24 kms up to Stelvio for the record, I climbed on Friday, when I stopped after 18 kms on August because I emptied my body after violent intense efforts in Zoncolan and Mortirolo on previous days. She asked me if I had hotel, maybe it was a proposition, but short sleep in car before driving through Fluelapass and Umbrail. I go only for the most difficult climbing roads, I stop the car at the bottom, I take bicycle and I climb sprint in red zone for heart, only for record. If times are not good, I stop, I m only interested by performance. On this Summer I stopped 6 times in la Bonette. FR 2802 meters high, because of weather or not good enough on chronometer. This game in most difficult like hell of Zoncolan. It with 2 kms for more than 19% average, Mortirolo. It, in both, You feel your body and head are burning everywhere. Zoncolan is linked with Fuiji peak. Of course both side of legendary Stelvio. It, Mont Ventoux, Galibier, Agnel. For my Summer holidays, everybody told me: You can't miss new one in France, col de la Loze, first time tour de France would climb, so I went to discover, but after a part of Cormet Roselend, and I agree with Roglic. Slo, very violent because not regular, at least in Zoncolan, after 3,5 kms, You are so much burning everywhere, with so deep pain, nearly in apnee for breathing, after Toledo Eagle picture, You don t feel anymore your body so You don t feel anymore pain, You just have to manage to keep rythm with your technique, only fighting spirit to try to perform up..[/QUOTE]So you climb as in walking climb together with bicycle then? It is good you can combine both sexercise and exercise LOL!

And it is incredible each little details of what time you met etc, I barely remember their fake names, but what I do remember is how she looks like and exactly what we did in room to details, even how her anal looked like or nipple etc LOL As for time, I remember because I am usually always first client of the day, so mostly it is around 5 pm or 8 pm ish depending on which club and time she start!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485377]Not the highest level German or Romanian women in brothels, and not many in escorting. High level women know their value as woman, even they may make less money for while WGs work in brothels. I remember my best FKK girl when she started at LR, claiming she would never go with some, when I didn't ask her anything, but those became her biggest money clients, she totally lost self esteem, ready for anything for money as I told her, making her angry and much more when I told her I didn't desire anymore her image, far below what she claimed, even worst than Daria for me, when she told me: I'm better than her, because she knew how I looked at Daria, her only challenger about me, when she thought she was far higher level than other girls, but fell on same level. But I have to give her, when she was not angry and not biting, she always had great behavior for me and I would have always gone for her weekly for her nearly 3 years, if she didn't dirty her own image. She became a WG not for me and my standards, even still my best since 3 years.[/QUOTE]I think talking about value in FKK is definitely not the right place LOL! When it comes to women, I care about only two things, how beautiful she looks, she has to be stunner level! Rest I do not care and I do not want to care! I understand the point you are making, but I am in FKK to fuck, not to make friends or get to know them! But yeah some of them become kind of friends with expiry date, which also is beauty of FKK, you fuck together like there is no tomorrow, fucking brains out of each other and then one day they are all gone as wind! I love this melancholy!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485408]Financial management is not an easy skill. Living within means and saving for the longer term is not something that comes naturally to many people and especially these girls. Even millionaires from sports have bankrupted themselves. Evander Holyfield made $250 M in life and less than a decade into retirement he was almost bankrupt. Boris Becker made $70 M in life and yet was destitute. Bjorn Borg was selling his Wimbledon trophies. Those guys have the advantage of managers, financial advisors and professional consultants and yet can't manage. These fuck club girls are easy prey to their family members, corrupt boyfriends and most of all their own bad habits and lack of financial discipline.[/QUOTE]I think using word even and also referring to millionaire in sport sector as an example as you did is a bad example to choose LOL! They are good at sport, but they are not intelligent in other sectors in life especially when it comes to not just brain, but when it comes to choosing the right people to put around them! They often put very bad choice of people around them who suck them dry!

However, there are some exceptions like Michael Jordan is good example though he fucked up with marriage that costed him few hundred million for ugly woman he once married and also late Kobe Bryant seemed very intelligent man in interview, but we were yet to see what he is made of after sport career as he just retired, very sad what fate awaited for him!

Anyways, I think it is bad example to choose sport player as an example LOL!

I have seen few FKK girls who got away just fine via sns and are in university, so all the time I thought what they were telling me about study etc are just bunch of bullshit was actually true to some extent LOL! Each time, girls add me on facebook etc, I always look through her photo's likes and friend list to see if I realize familiar faces and it is astonishing what I find in there, definitely familiar faces for me to save picture and jerk off too LOL!

[QUOTE=Palcon;2485489]Yup I know this from experience also. Most of them do not think 5-10 years in the future they only think about making fast money now. The ones that make it are in and out of the business fast they invest in education to become a dentist in Germany like one girl I know or they save up for their business instead of pretending like they're well off or feeding their pimps lifestyle. Its funny when girls ask me what I drive. I tell them and they go oh like an A5 is some poor person's car. Some of them might drive around in an a7, porsche, amg, etc. But they bought theirs used while I bought mine new and in 5-10 years the cars will be old and I'll just buy another brand new car. Most of these girls will just compete with each other their whole lives in the club and it'll transition to their businesses when they all try to open a salon and compete against each other for the customers.[/QUOTE]Live and let die is one way to live life, I live like this in FKK LOL When in FKK, it is live and let die insane week for me! I still cannot believe I used to do 10 days to max 14 consecutive FKK days every day getting there upon opening, staying there till about mid night just smoking weed, taking pills, working out if there is a gym like in artemis to keep testosterone up! And fucking stunner one after another as there used to be amazing lineup before 2015 when new stunners were easy to be found!

Now as I turned 40, and less stunners in line up, I am there on time of opening in most club as I want to be first client of the day, but I only do 3 to max 5 rooms per day, the thing now is to find the stunner to my level! I miss the days when 3 or even 5 stunners are found in line up and new ones are seen after one week of stay at FKK, now this is unusual!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I got impression that globe tend to have more in and out of line up? I tend to find new stunner always within just few days of my visit there, this is not so much for other clubs!

Fully online with you, what matters is beauty, all the rest is bullshit, lies, nobody is telling the truth, starting by changing the name like on this forum. If you are for looking relationship, confidence it is really not the right place to go, better not to meet any prostitutes. They suck your cash until the last penny without taking care if you have a family. But still so many mongers around even with this stuff covid situation in Europe they don t hesitate to visit the FKK, taking risk for themselves.

And the others. A new study is showing that nobody knows how long this virus can survive on simple clothes, the airplane staff change their clothes after each flight. And bring them to disinfection.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2485441]EL: If now you start to believe what a prostitute is saying, just travel to Romania like me and speak with the people so many girls returned opened a business and cloded after several weeks, just try to think what those girls can do except sucking dicks and open their legs to anyone willing to pay 50 euros, running a business needs some knowledge. Not only money.[/QUOTE]I went with a girl, so I could not monger there, but I have been to Romania also and it actually is very beautiful country, but it is too shame they do not have enough money to clean up some of their beautiful architecture! It is just that back then when I went, I never thought I would be fucking so many young beautiful romanian girls years later LOL! I went in year 2000 or 2001, so all the girls I fucked 8 or 9 years later on must have been like 12 years old or so when I was in Romania for holiday back then LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485534]I think using word even and also referring to millionaire in sport sector as an example as you did is a bad example to choose LOL! They are good at sport, but they are not intelligent in other sectors in life especially when it comes to not just brain, but when it comes to choosing the right people to put around them! They often put very bad choice of people around them who suck them dry!

However, there are some exceptions like Michael Jordan is good example though he fucked up with marriage that costed him few hundred million for ugly woman he once married and also late Kobe Bryant seemed very intelligent man in interview, but we were yet to see what he is made of after sport career as he just retired, very sad what fate awaited for him!

Anyways, I think it is bad example to choose sport player as an example LOL!

I have seen few FKK girls who got away just fine via sns and are in university, so all the time I thought what they were telling me about study etc are just bunch of bullshit was actually true to some extent LOL! Each time, girls add me on facebook etc, I always look through her photo's likes and friend list to see if I realize familiar faces and it is astonishing what I find in there, definitely familiar faces for me to save picture and jerk off too LOL![/QUOTE]Why are they bad examples? Nicholas Cage blew $150 million, he is not a sports person. Kim Bassinger, Francis Ford Coppola also filed for bankruptcy at some point. I am giving examples of famous people because those are people you and others here would know. If I said my next door neighbor Tanaka or Jeff blew $5 million and is now on street, is that better?

My point is that financial management and living within means is not a skill (or discipline) that comes naturally for most people. Most people want to brag, show off, feel self important, splurge and enjoy life here and now, and don't calculate well about future. I am not surprised WGs are the same way.

BTW, it is actually good thing for the economy as a whole that so many people are so poor at managing own finances. If everyone stayed miserly and did not buy goods and services, velocity of money in the economy would be slow and lead to much lower growth. If people did not splurge on cars, auto sales, auto production would slow and there is much less need to employ as many auto engineers, which in turn means those engineers would not get paid as they are now and their incomes would disappear and their spending which is the salary for some other jobs would disappear.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485450]But the guy who is marrying these FKK girls is getting the sex for free while you paid for it haha.

Not to mention he is probably stealing all her money and her cars.

And some of the girls may not be 35. Could be a 25 year old FKK girl, in which case he fucks at home for free with no condom and she comes to the club, some dumber naive Asian dude pays her 300 for half hour for the privilege of eating her unwashed pussy in which her BF had just cum plus 2 minutes of anal and 3 minutes of lesbo with another girl, DFK thrown in for 30 sec. And the lover boy is laughing at these guys while he drives a BMW paid for by the club visitors.

I guess this is the food chain of fuck clubs.[/QUOTE]And the lover boy doesn't mind his GF is taking dicks in ass everyday right? What a romantic couple hahaha.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2485489] Its funny when girls ask me what I drive. I tell them and they go oh like an A5 is some poor person's car. Some of them might drive around in an a7, porsche, amg, etc. But they bought theirs used while I bought mine new and in 5-10 years the cars will be old and I'll just buy another brand new car. Most of these girls will just compete with each other their whole lives in the club and it'll transition to their businesses when they all try to open a salon and compete against each other for the customers.[/QUOTE]You are comparing yourself with the mind of a prostitute about who has the best car?

Just tell them you have a limbo.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485505]I think talking about value in FKK is definitely not the right place LOL! When it comes to women, I care about only two things, how beautiful she looks, she has to be stunner level! Rest I do not care and I do not want to care! I understand the point you are making, but I am in FKK to fuck, not to make friends or get to know them! But yeah some of them become kind of friends with expiry date, which also is beauty of FKK, you fuck together like there is no tomorrow, fucking brains out of each other and then one day they are all gone as wind! I love this melancholy![/QUOTE]I don't look for girlfriend nor friends in land of lies and jealousy brothels, but if a girl is vulgar or looks stupid behavior, I can't have desire for her. I was used to women, I'm attracted by girls who look and behave a bit like normal women. On Thursday night, when I saw Linda sitting full naked at the bar, I couldn't help laughing looking at her style. If you saw her face looking at me. Typical German WG for me when miracle panda Romanian has so much more charm.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485450]But the guy who is marrying these FKK girls is getting the sex for free while you paid for it haha.

Not to mention he is probably stealing all her money and her cars.

And some of the girls may not be 35. Could be a 25 year old FKK girl, in which case he fucks at home for free with no condom and she comes to the club, some dumber naive Asian dude pays her 300 for half hour for the privilege of eating her unwashed pussy in which her BF had just cum plus 2 minutes of anal and 3 minutes of lesbo with another girl, DFK thrown in for 30 sec. And the lover boy is laughing at these guys while he drives a BMW paid for by the club visitors.

I guess this is the food chain of fuck clubs.[/QUOTE]These guys may be paid X6 or Q5 or A7 with our money, but they have no honor, not men for me, to have their beloved girlfriend fucked by everybody. Girls who have BF are those I'm the most excited to make cum. My best FKK girl was married and divorced before starting at LR, but bought him a car with her first month earning when she returned at home, and was back 10 days later when she told me she would stay 1 month with her family. Great enjoyment to have her princess white sticky liquid everywhere. When she told me she couln t have other orgasms on same day, I told her lets play again. Maybe with her husband who got a car paid. When I always try to find parts of woman, orgasms, not fake porn moanings, are very interesting because they are woman at this time. When they feel they will really cum, they usually make no noise, just breathing faster, most often wide opening to give full access, sometimes helping rubbing clit on tongue, until orgasmus. Easiest way is DATY.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2485687]You are comparing yourself with the mind of a prostitute about who has the best car?

Just tell them you have a limbo.[/QUOTE]Hmm they ask and I tell end of story. We also bring out the ruler to see whose longer if you're curious. My point is most of them lie about family, house, car, business, simple life, etc. Fast money is the drug they're hooked on just like a lot of guys are hooked on $50 pussies.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2485685]And the lover boy doesn't mind his GF is taking dicks in ass everyday right? What a romantic couple hahaha.[/QUOTE]It is easy - - the lover boy does not love the girl, problem solved haha. She loves him and that is her problem; not his.

It is all quite fucked up. The monger fucks the girl but some of them also fall for the girls and become too attached. Dare we say, they love the girl? That is when she starts fucking them, or with their minds. She in turn loves the lover boy who fucks the girl but also rents "his girl" to anyone who would pay 50/100. So, she fucks the monger, the lover boy fucks the WG. (BTW, I personally don't know any lover boys; this is all hearsay from these pages or other such gossip sites).

It is best to stash your feelings away. Monger fucks the WG and she fucks him, he gives money, she gives pussy, and the transaction is done. You come outside, she does not even smile 5 minutes later. You fancy another round of fucking, she will fake that smile once more for 30 or 60 minutes, takes her cash and again no smile after 5 minutes. That is the natural order of things.

All this talk "he is getting my crumbs" is total nonsense. She has been fucked a thousand times a year. There is no order, no timeline. She is going around in a circle of time, and there is no order or rank between you, the guy to your left or right. Some pay more for the pussy, some pay less. And in the end, it is all about money and a human body for a short time hire.

When you see WGs knowledge about sexuality, and same for Germans than Romanians, I wonder what their BF are able for sex, more than filling a hole, when they look with round eyes about foreplay, and when Romanian BF seem small size, and then, we hear: You are big.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485689]I don't look for girlfriend nor friends in land of lies and jealousy brothels, but if a girl is vulgar or looks stupid behavior, I can't have desire for her. I was used to women, I'm attracted by girls who look and behave a bit like normal women. On Thursday night, when I saw Linda sitting full naked at the bar, I couldn't help laughing looking at her style. If you saw her face looking at me. Typical German WG for me when miracle panda Romanian has so much more charm.[/QUOTE]I think all girls look stupid being nude or wearing some kind of lingerie / bikini with just high heel and small bag with condom and gel inside at atmosphere like FKK, which is not the case some girls because I actually met some girls that are classy and smart once you talk to them and some of them remain good hearted even in such a rather hard situation of life!

I like both Germans and Romanians, just serve different part of my taste!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485674]Why are they bad examples? Nicholas Cage blew $150 million, he is not a sports person. Kim Bassinger, Francis Ford Coppola also filed for bankruptcy at some point. I am giving examples of famous people because those are people you and others here would know. If I said my next door neighbor Tanaka or Jeff blew $5 million and is now on street, is that better?

My point is that financial management and living within means is not a skill (or discipline) that comes naturally for most people. Most people want to brag, show off, feel self important, splurge and enjoy life here and now, and don't calculate well about future. I am not surprised WGs are the same way.

BTW, it is actually good thing for the economy as a whole that so many people are so poor at managing own finances. If everyone stayed miserly and did not buy goods and services, velocity of money in the economy would be slow and lead to much lower growth. If people did not splurge on cars, auto sales, auto production would slow and there is much less need to employ as many auto engineers, which in turn means those engineers would not get paid as they are now and their incomes would disappear and their spending which is the salary for some other jobs would disappear.[/QUOTE]I got your point, but they are not right example to give, I also understand your point about mutual famous people, but there are businessmen that are famous too, so that would be better example to give, I think!

Future is hard to predict for anyone, sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get is wrong, but in FKK, I get the right stunner girl because I make sure I see the girl under good light not at the dim main bar of FKK LOL! I be sure to predict how she really look in future of 5 min later in room at close up as I do not want negative surprise once I enter the room with her LOL! Future prediction skill is required for mongers at FKK too LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485777]It is easy - - the lover boy does not love the girl, problem solved haha. She loves him and that is her problem; not his.

It is all quite fucked up. The monger fucks the girl but some of them also fall for the girls and become too attached. Dare we say, they love the girl? That is when she starts fucking them, or with their minds. She in turn loves the lover boy who fucks the girl but also rents "his girl" to anyone who would pay 50/100. So, she fucks the monger, the lover boy fucks the WG. (BTW, I personally don't know any lover boys; this is all hearsay from these pages or other such gossip sites).

It is best to stash your feelings away. Monger fucks the WG and she fucks him, he gives money, she gives pussy, and the transaction is done. You come outside, she does not even smile 5 minutes later. You fancy another round of fucking, she will fake that smile once more for 30 or 60 minutes, takes her cash and again no smile after 5 minutes. That is the natural order of things.

All this talk "he is getting my crumbs" is total nonsense. She has been fucked a thousand times a year. There is no order, no timeline. She is going around in a circle of time, and there is no order or rank between you, the guy to your left or right. Some pay more for the pussy, some pay less. And in the end, it is all about money and a human body for a short time hire.[/QUOTE]This is because many mongers has some kind of mental issues or trauma with girls in their life like past girl friends broke their heart or some kind of women related problem! So they try to seek for help not even knowingly in FKK looking to portray what they want with women in FKK, which actually is a brothel, And they fall for prostitute or have strong attachment, infatuation or belonging to these prostitutes LOL! And they do not even realize this! Or they cannot help it!

Well for me, I go to FKK for sex, I tend to like hardcore things, so it is not impossible to do to normal girls, but it definitely could ruin my social status if not careful, so it is better for me to use FKK or escort for this and also I believe you only get to live once, so for me to fulfill my desire to have one of the best sex life in this world, I need escort and FKK to hundreds of stunners I fucked and hundreds more I will fuck in this life including models, future celebrity, porn stars etc and like porn stars, it is amazing how I am standing in middle of city with thousands people around me and most of the guys there jerked off to porn stars that I actually fucked! This is winning feeling and how else, but use of connection and escort I can fuck porn stars especially I just want to fuck them without knowing them personally, even though I must say Maria Ozawa and Rola Takizawa were genuinely very good hearted human being!

So FKK is good for sex and fulfill your lust, but for relations or belonging to those girls, it can be total disaster for some mongers who seeks for that!

It is good place for me to go few times per year and each trip for about 5 days and I have done maximum 14 days everyday FKK, but it is not place to go everyday or every weekend unless it is in the city you live in. For example,. I cannot do what siri does like driving almost over 1000 km almost every weekend to FKK sleeping in car etc It is too much for me LOL! I take one to few trip per year to FKK, while I am in town I fuck all day everyday and I am out till next time! And I love melancholy of FKK, I meet stunner, I do one of the most dirtiest thing she will ever do in her life, I make sure of that, then fuck each other like theres not tomorrow and then one day she is gone and vanished never to be seen again! I kind of like this melancholic meeting of only once or few times or sometimes I know them for 2 or 3 years max, but then they are gone with the wind! How melancholy nice!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485696]These guys may be paid X6 or Q5 or A7 with our money, but they have no honor, not men for me, to have their beloved girlfriend fucked by everybody. Girls who have BF are those I'm the most excited to make cum. My best FKK girl was married and divorced before starting at LR, but bought him a car with her first month earning when she returned at home, and was back 10 days later when she told me she would stay 1 month with her family. Great enjoyment to have her princess white sticky liquid everywhere. When she told me she couln t have other orgasms on same day, I told her lets play again. Maybe with her husband who got a car paid. When I always try to find parts of woman, orgasms, not fake porn moanings, are very interesting because they are woman at this time. When they feel they will really cum, they usually make no noise, just breathing faster, most often wide opening to give full access, sometimes helping rubbing clit on tongue, until orgasmus. Easiest way is DATY.[/QUOTE]I think they do not love their what you called beloved girlfriend, they are meat to them as much as to us even though you do not admit and you refer to them as your princesses LOL!

And Siri, you should not believe all the chit chat with girls in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485849]This is because many mongers has some kind of mental issues or trauma with girls in their life like past girl friends broke their heart or some kind of women related problem! So they try to seek for help not even knowingly in FKK looking to portray what they want with women in FKK, which actually is a brothel, And they fall for prostitute or have strong attachment, infatuation or belonging to these prostitutes LOL! And they do not even realize this! Or they cannot help it!

Well for me, I go to FKK for sex, I tend to like hardcore things, so it is not impossible to do to normal girls, but it definitely could ruin my social status if not careful, so it is better for me to use FKK or escort for this and also I believe you only get to live once, so for me to fulfill my desire to have one of the best sex life in this world, I need escort and FKK to hundreds of stunners I fucked and hundreds more I will fuck in this life including models, future celebrity, porn stars etc and like porn stars, it is amazing how I am standing in middle of city with thousands people around me and most of the guys there jerked off to porn stars that I actually fucked! This is winning feeling and how else, but use of connection and escort I can fuck porn stars especially I just want to fuck them without knowing them personally, even though I must say Maria Ozawa and Rola Takizawa were genuinely very good hearted human being!

So FKK is good for sex and fulfill your lust, but for relations or belonging to those girls, it can be total disaster for some mongers who seeks for that![/QUOTE]It is indeed melancholy. More so in FKK / Escorts / Porn Stars etc P6 scenes but I also experienced some of it in normal outside the P6 life. In some cases I felt wish she was around at least for occasional meetups instead of totally gone vanished from me. In some cases I felt like wish I didn't get dumped or I didn't break up for some reasons that later on I realized was silly stupid reasons. Over the years I learned that no good sexual relationship is going to last for more than 3-4 years for me, so best is to maximize the fun, sex and happiness in it within that few years of lifetime of that relationship, same for P6 as well as non-P6 situations.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485832]I think all girls look stupid being nude or wearing some kind of lingerie / bikini with just high heel and small bag with condom and gel inside at atmosphere like FKK, which is not the case some girls because I actually met some girls that are classy and smart once you talk to them and some of them remain good hearted even in such a rather hard situation of life!

I like both Germans and Romanians, just serve different part of my taste![/QUOTE]Speak with German Sofia or Romanian Sidney at Globe, and look at Linda behavior, I don t mean in bed, or remember Stella Palace. If You know a bit about women and love what is a woman, then you should see a little big difference for charm. When a girl is really not interesting, she can t be attractive for me, just 2 legs and holes, why face is important for me, for interest, rather than just piece of meat to fill.

Sorry Mr Ho, I can't agree with your assumption "hardcore sex is only possible with prostitutes", for me the most border line sex was with normal girls, some of them are really going very very far. May you are just too reluctant to try it with none pro.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485504]So you climb as in walking climb together with bicycle then? It is good you can combine both sexercise and exercise LOL!

And it is incredible each little details of what time you met etc, I barely remember their fake names, but what I do remember is how she looks like and exactly what we did in room to details, even how her anal looked like or nipple etc LOL As for time, I remember because I am usually always first client of the day, so mostly it is around 5 pm or 8 pm ish depending on which club and time she start![/QUOTE]Driving for the most climbing and famous, like one of the most beautiful road from Prato up to legendary Stelvio Dolomiti, and climbing on bicycle versus chronometer, as fast I'm able. Best efficiency is to be able to keep heart at the edge of red zone, but most often going in red zone, good training for girls and best test about covid. Who could make so intense violent effort for 1/2/3 hours under covid?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485931]I think they do not love their what you called beloved girlfriend, they are meat to them as much as to us even though you do not admit and you refer to them as your princesses LOL!

And Siri, you should not believe all the chit chat with girls in FKK LOL![/QUOTE]I agree pimps don't love their money girlfriend, even I saw a girl kissing so sweetly her pimp, before leaving the Mercedes and entering Oase to be fucked whole night.

I believe only what I see in FKK land, not more. I trust more facts and reactions than words, when white today and black tomorrow. I like when girls don t speak english nor french nor russian, then only speaking with eyes, smiles, hands, caresses, can be so erotic. When some girls are angry, they speak in Romanian, I like because I don't understand bullshits.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486012]Sorry Mr Ho, I can't agree with your assumption "hardcore sex is only possible with prostitutes", for me the most border line sex was with normal girls, some of them are really going very very far. May you are just too reluctant to try it with none pro.[/QUOTE]Agree that it isn't "only" possible with prostitutes, but I enjoy engaging in anal sex and anal play, and what I have found is that most "normal" girls don't want to do that, let alone be hardcore about it. So, I stick to the tutes in places like Germany and Brazil where my return on investment will be high (lots of anal sex with hot girls).

EL: anal sex is becoming very common, sometimes it is more difficult to get a blow job up to the end than anal sex.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486135]EL: anal sex is becoming very common, sometimes it is more difficult to get a blow job up to the end than anal sex.[/QUOTE]Well that's news to me the "anal connoisseur". Quite frankly, I think you're full of it on this one.

FKKs look interesting as hell.

I usually do outcalls, so my experience has been with escorts (from cheap to high class), massage, and most recently with SA girls. FKK sounds like a hell of an experience. You guys have walked through the different setups, how it works, the kinds of chicks, the costs etc. All good info.

My question is simple. If you guys could do it all over from the beginning, what would you do differently or what mistakes would you avoid on your first FKK experiences?

As soon as the world opens up to Americans, I'm taking a trip to the EU and Germany will definitely be on my list (got a German girl waiting for me too, so extra bonus)!

I've read that there are a lot of Romanian girls in these clubs. When I went to Showpark in Prague, I found a bunch of Romanians and Moldovians there too. They always find it funny that a black guy can speak Romanian. I used to live in Romania and the average romanian girl is definitely not my favorite, though there are some really nice Ro girls (looks and / or personality).

Interested to hear advice from you guys.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486135]EL: anal sex is becoming very common, sometimes it is more difficult to get a blow job up to the end than anal sex.[/QUOTE]I never had anal sex with a condom on, but I've definitely had normal girls that want to take it in the butt. So they are definitely out there. Not sure if GFE (my goto) and anal belong in the same sentence. LOL.

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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486169]My question is simple. If you guys could do it all over from the beginning, what would you do differently or what mistakes would you avoid on your first FKK experiences[/QUOTE]The only thing I would do differently is not wait so long to go! Initially I was exploring Latin America, and I'm glad I did that. I love the chicas! But if I had really understood how good the FKK experience can be, and very often is, I would have cut through the chase and flown off to Germany much, much sooner in my mongering career. In any event, I made up for the late start LOL! Go, enjoy, and have fun. Then write us a detailed field report about it!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2485974]It is indeed melancholy. More so in FKK / Escorts / Porn Stars etc P6 scenes but I also experienced some of it in normal outside the P6 life. In some cases I felt wish she was around at least for occasional meetups instead of totally gone vanished from me. In some cases I felt like wish I didn't get dumped or I didn't break up for some reasons that later on I realized was silly stupid reasons. Over the years I learned that no good sexual relationship is going to last for more than 3-4 years for me, so best is to maximize the fun, sex and happiness in it within that few years of lifetime of that relationship, same for P6 as well as non-P6 situations.[/QUOTE]I am the type who enjoy solitude time to time, so for me vanish and gone with wind can be nice value added to whole experience! Please note that whole concept of women for me is to fuck them only while they are young at top peak of their beauty and I do not want to know their downfall after 30 in beauty and youth level!

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486169]FKKs look interesting as hell.

I usually do outcalls, so my experience has been with escorts (from cheap to high class), massage, and most recently with SA girls. FKK sounds like a hell of an experience. You guys have walked through the different setups, how it works, the kinds of chicks, the costs etc. All good info.

My question is simple. If you guys could do it all over from the beginning, what would you do differently or what mistakes would you avoid on your first FKK experiences?

As soon as the world opens up to Americans, I'm taking a trip to the EU and Germany will definitely be on my list (got a German girl waiting for me too, so extra bonus)!

I've read that there are a lot of Romanian girls in these clubs. When I went to Showpark in Prague, I found a bunch of Romanians and Moldovians there too. They always find it funny that a black guy can speak Romanian. I used to live in Romania and the average romanian girl is definitely not my favorite, though there are some really nice Ro girls (looks and / or personality).

Interested to hear advice from you guys.[/QUOTE]My first FKK visit was to Palace nearly ten years ago and don't remember any specific details much less mistakes. If I have one regret or mistake related to that first visit then it is only that I waited for so long. Wish I had been to these places earlier. Secondly the service, friendliness of the girls, lack of upsell and sheer money mindedness was far far better on those days and it was not possible to make dreadful mistakes in those days. For that matter, even now what's the worst mistake you can make on day one? Start slow, take a 50 E session with a pretty girl and you will get the hang of it. In the very worst scenario you spent 50 E and still stick your dick inside a pretty girl. So it is not all that bad. In my opinion the worst mistake one can make is read up too much, be too smart in a bookish way and not have a spontaneous feel for the first day. Truth be told, first time in a large FKK in full flow on a Friday night is magical and you will only have it once in your life. So enjoy it and not overthink it. A few hundred bucks here and there will not matter. That's my view.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486012]Sorry Mr Ho, I can't agree with your assumption "hardcore sex is only possible with prostitutes", for me the most border line sex was with normal girls, some of them are really going very very far. May you are just too reluctant to try it with none pro.[/QUOTE]I agree, but what I meant is hardcore sex with porno stars like Maria ozawa or rola takizawa etc are not possible without escort platform because how would I meet porn stars in private life? This is what I meant!

But also what I meant is doing hardcore sex with top beauty in normal world also can be not good for me because I have experience of this as they talk! And I do not want this do you know what he did to me kind of rumor as I need to sustain my reputation unfortunately in society and I do not need I am sex maniac dirty filthy image LOL! So for me I keep those only for pro girls! You know what I mean?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485999]Speak with German Sofia or Romanian Sidney at Globe, and look at Linda behavior, I don t mean in bed, or remember Stella Palace. If You know a bit about women and love what is a woman, then you should see a little big difference for charm. When a girl is really not interesting, she can t be attractive for me, just 2 legs and holes, why face is important for me, for interest, rather than just piece of meat to fill.[/QUOTE]Stella was good to me, I paid 150 euro per hour not 100 euro, but my ROI as Senpai cane put it was great! So it is depend who, girls also choose client too, but she did put on weight a bit toward end, she was not fat at all, but I liked her slim and fit when she began, I miss her beautiful face and natural body especially her big natural beautiful tit! Oh how I sucked on those while doing her LOL! Memories!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2486127]Agree that it isn't "only" possible with prostitutes, but I enjoy engaging in anal sex and anal play, and what I have found is that most "normal" girls don't want to do that, let alone be hardcore about it. So, I stick to the tutes in places like Germany and Brazil where my return on investment will be high (lots of anal sex with hot girls).[/QUOTE]I don't know who counts as a normal girl. Being a married guy, I don't try to pick up girls as perhaps single guys do but I am pretty active with sugar babes in my life when not being a sex tourist in Europe. When in the right mood, some sugar babes are pretty raunchy and a lot of things are possible which would cost a ton of extra bucks in the clubs. Such as anal, BBFS, BLS, CIM, very extended DFK and multiple shots, sex in shower etc. I am not hugely into anal and don't seek BBFS with most of them but I can say that they have been received and never cost a dime extra.

Can feel all the more satisfying when they are not haggled and transacted.

Didn't receive nor ask rim jobs though. That is a FKK specialty (from a few. I don't like to pay for it but a few have done it for free).

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2486088]Driving for the most climbing and famous, like one of the most beautiful road from Prato up to legendary Stelvio Dolomiti, and climbing on bicycle versus chronometer, as fast I'm able. Best efficiency is to be able to keep heart at the edge of red zone, but most often going in red zone, good training for girls and best test about covid. Who could make so intense violent effort for 1/2/3 hours under covid?[/QUOTE]So you begin cycling up the mountain then when the road get rough for bicycle, you carry your bicycle on your back and walk up the mountain?

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486169]FKKs look interesting as hell.

I usually do outcalls, so my experience has been with escorts (from cheap to high class), massage, and most recently with SA girls. FKK sounds like a hell of an experience. You guys have walked through the different setups, how it works, the kinds of chicks, the costs etc. All good info.

My question is simple. If you guys could do it all over from the beginning, what would you do differently or what mistakes would you avoid on your first FKK experiences?

As soon as the world opens up to Americans, I'm taking a trip to the EU and Germany will definitely be on my list (got a German girl waiting for me too, so extra bonus)!

I've read that there are a lot of Romanian girls in these clubs. When I went to Showpark in Prague, I found a bunch of Romanians and Moldovians there too. They always find it funny that a black guy can speak Romanian. I used to live in Romania and the average romanian girl is definitely not my favorite, though there are some really nice Ro girls (looks and / or personality).

Interested to hear advice from you guys.[/QUOTE]Lower your expectations and just enjoy the process since your experience with the girls will vary depending on the location and your own skill set and energy. Your first time will not be your last time, I can tell you that for certain.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2486194]I don't know who counts as a normal girl. Being a married guy, I don't try to pick up girls as perhaps single guys do but I am pretty active with sugar babes in my life when not being a sex tourist in Europe. When in the right mood, some sugar babes are pretty raunchy and a lot of things are possible which would cost a ton of extra bucks in the clubs. Such as anal, BBFS, BLS, CIM, very extended DFK and multiple shots, sex in shower etc. I am not hugely into anal and don't seek BBFS with most of them but I can say that they have been received and never cost a dime extra.

Can feel all the more satisfying when they are not haggled and transacted.

Didn't receive nor ask rim jobs though. That is a FKK specialty (from a few. I don't like to pay for it but a few have done it for free).[/QUOTE]What wrong with your wife? But yes, sugar babes are much safer if you are married I guess?

So wife is companion / partner in life like a best friend, but for sex you prefer others now because she is older is what you are saying?

This is the thing, beside the kid, what is the merit of marriage? As for companion or best friends, you can just have companion or best friends who do not share house with (which I prefer), so what is the merit? I understand now it is hard to divorce being especially in USA though.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2486190]My first FKK visit was to Palace nearly ten years ago and don't remember any specific details much less mistakes. If I have one regret or mistake related to that first visit then it is only that I waited for so long. Wish I had been to these places earlier. Secondly the service, friendliness of the girls, lack of upsell and sheer money mindedness was far far better on those days and it was not possible to make dreadful mistakes in those days. For that matter, even now what's the worst mistake you can make on day one? Start slow, take a 50 E session with a pretty girl and you will get the hang of it. In the very worst scenario you spent 50 E and still stick your dick inside a pretty girl. So it is not all that bad. In my opinion the worst mistake one can make is read up too much, be too smart in a bookish way and not have a spontaneous feel for the first day. Truth be told, first time in a large FKK in full flow on a Friday night is magical and you will only have it once in your life. So enjoy it and not overthink it. A few hundred bucks here and there will not matter. That's my view.[/QUOTE]Mine was Artemis 11 years ago now and by then I already had about 9 years of mongering beside normal girls, but once I found FKK platform of brothel, I shifted almost fully to mongering only, so this was turning point for me due to its extreme efficiency to what I want with my sex part of life, it make me more productive and calm in life!

Palace I found out 4 years later as for 4 years I was resident monger at Artemis LOL! I had few palace girls in Artemis though and wow these were great girls, my favorite was called July in Palace at palace name (she use different name in Artemis) and kimmi, both blonde German stunners! Wow I still remember how beautiful stunner they were, and it is this level that I still expect, but harder to find nowadays!

FKK in those years had amazing stunners in line up about min 3 to around 5 amazing level stunners each day! And few added each week! I am glad I used to do 10 days to 14 days everyday FKK tour during those golden line up era! And I was still in my late 20's!

Now 5 to 7 days everyday FKK tour is enough! I even took a day off in between when I was in Zurich earlier this year, this is first time, I never take a day off from FKK! But from now on, I might just for one day, but I won't be able to I think LOL! When in same city as FKK, go to FKK is my motto usually LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2486172]The only thing I would do differently is not wait so long to go! Initially I was exploring Latin America, and I'm glad I did that. I love the chicas! But if I had really understood how good the FKK experience can be, and very often is, I would have cut through the chase and flown off to Germany much, much sooner in my mongering career. In any event, I made up for the late start LOL! Go, enjoy, and have fun. Then write us a detailed field report about it![/QUOTE]This is what I call Latin American corn holes explorers LOL! Drilling through Latin America's corn fields LOL! Conquistador is back, but this time to conquer the corn field LOL!

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486169]FKKs look interesting as hell.

I usually do outcalls, so my experience has been with escorts (from cheap to high class), massage, and most recently with SA girls. FKK sounds like a hell of an experience. You guys have walked through the different setups, how it works, the kinds of chicks, the costs etc. All good info.

My question is simple. If you guys could do it all over from the beginning, what would you do differently or what mistakes would you avoid on your first FKK experiences?

As soon as the world opens up to Americans, I'm taking a trip to the EU and Germany will definitely be on my list (got a German girl waiting for me too, so extra bonus)!

I've read that there are a lot of Romanian girls in these clubs. When I went to Showpark in Prague, I found a bunch of Romanians and Moldovians there too. They always find it funny that a black guy can speak Romanian. I used to live in Romania and the average romanian girl is definitely not my favorite, though there are some really nice Ro girls (looks and / or personality).

Interested to hear advice from you guys.[/QUOTE]Be patient till the one you really want to session with walks in, but once you are sure she is the stunner, just go for it before she is taken and don't be too stingy, but do not be ripped off! The rate nowadays are usually 150 euro for one hour with all included like DFK, DATY, BBBJ and fuck in many positions as you like! Anal, CIM are option price! Or some ask for 100 euro if only go for 30 min!

I still get lucky time to time to get BBBJ, DATY, fuck in few positions and even DFK or even rimjob on me included in 30 min normal fee of 60 euro or 50 euro depending on the club, but this is getting rare and rare after 2017 new BBBJ law! Standard rate and good service is rare after 2017 unfortunately!

Just don't go over 150 euro one hour price range then other than that don't be too stingy as we only get to live once and the stunner front of you may only appear front of you once as girls move around FKKs! Usually one hour session include two cums if you can! Most girls are nice, but some are sharky, just don't let them too sharky! But little pay up always works amazing for me with outstanding service in room with memory that last forever!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2486202]So you begin cycling up the mountain then when the road get rough for bicycle, you carry your bicycle on your back and walk up the mountain?[/QUOTE]Watch giro of Italia on October, or tour de France climbing col de la loze.

Enjoyed reading posts regarding future mongering plans. Then came across this air travel summary from CNN:

[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/covid-immunity-passport-testing/index.html[/URL]

Hard to estimate the accuracy of all reported there. But how soon are we flying again from US to Germany? Looks like epidemiologists, airlines, airports, hotels, insurances, governments, and blah blah must agree on something to get the virus under control. They say even vaccine may not help as much. WTF. I am frustrated, to put it mildly. When can we go?

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486171]I never had anal sex with a condom on, but I've definitely had normal girls that want to take it in the butt. So they are definitely out there. Not sure if GFE (my goto) and anal belong in the same sentence. LOL.

02.[/QUOTE]My first anal sex experience was in college with a virgin. Before we would both lie naked on the bed and she would refuse me entrance to her vagina and would jerk me off. One day we were in bed and I coerced her into letting me put it behind, I told her I would just put the head in. Then I pushed deeper and deeper pumping slowly. Then I climaxed. She was like "You came in me???!!!".

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486169]FKKs look interesting as hell.

I usually do outcalls, so my experience has been with escorts (from cheap to high class), massage, and most recently with SA girls. FKK sounds like a hell of an experience. You guys have walked through the different setups, how it works, the kinds of chicks, the costs etc. All good info.

My question is simple. If you guys could do it all over from the beginning, what would you do differently or what mistakes would you avoid on your first FKK experiences?

As soon as the world opens up to Americans, I'm taking a trip to the EU and Germany will definitely be on my list (got a German girl waiting for me too, so extra bonus)!

I've read that there are a lot of Romanian girls in these clubs. When I went to Showpark in Prague, I found a bunch of Romanians and Moldovians there too. They always find it funny that a black guy can speak Romanian. I used to live in Romania and the average romanian girl is definitely not my favorite, though there are some really nice Ro girls (looks and / or personality).

Interested to hear advice from you guys.[/QUOTE]Bring some Viagra or Cialis. You will not be able to fuck all the beautiful girls you want without it. That was my regret, but learned my lesson and always bring Cialis now.

EL: I will never understand why guys are taking viagra to fuck a prostitute, with a prostitutes there is 0 stress, the girls just want your cash not your dick, if you are out of libido why taking viagra, stay outside the FKK and safe your money.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2486368]Enjoyed reading posts regarding future mongering plans. Then came across this air travel summary from CNN:

[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/covid-immunity-passport-testing/index.html[/URL]

Hard to estimate the accuracy of all reported there. But how soon are we flying again from US to Germany? Looks like epidemiologists, airlines, airports, hotels, insurances, governments, and blah blah must agree on something to get the virus under control. They say even vaccine may not help as much. WTF. I am frustrated, to put it mildly. When can we go?[/QUOTE]The problem is that even if we are able to contain the virus in rich modern countries, there are so many poor slum areas around the globe where the virus will continually live on forever. So I have no idea myself.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486432]EL: I will never understand why guys are taking viagra to fuck a prostitute, with a prostitutes there is 0 stress, the girls just want your cash not your dick, if you are out of libido why taking viagra, stay outside the FKK and safe your money.[/QUOTE]Funny to see viagra guys still up under shower after room. Sport and being fit also help to be hard, but not after, under shower.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2486489]Funny to see viagra guys still up under shower after room. Sport and being fit also help to be hard, but not after, under shower.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is so simple to say sport and being fit help for sex, for sure sport is good for many things (I've been practising sport every weeks with swimming pool and bicycle or even footing for years now) but it is not the solution for everything, with age you lose excitement, it is a normal biological process and you need more and more time between sex, so far!

Because boosting libido with viagra might be as much fun as having libido & stamina naturally, I guess.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486432]EL: I will never understand why guys are taking viagra to fuck a prostitute, with a prostitutes there is 0 stress, the girls just want your cash not your dick, if you are out of libido why taking viagra, stay outside the FKK and safe your money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486432]EL: I will never understand why guys are taking viagra to fuck a prostitute, with a prostitutes there is 0 stress, the girls just want your cash not your dick, if you are out of libido why taking viagra, stay outside the FKK and safe your money.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Kuni042;2486522]Because boosting libido with viagra might be as much fun as having libido & stamina naturally, I guess.[/QUOTE]Because viagra does nothing for libido. It purely acts to increase blood flow. You can be aroused and want to keep on fucking but not be able to keep erections after a couple of pops. Viagra does nothing unless you are psychologically aroused. In my 20's, doing 3-4 girls a day without viagra was no issue. In my early 30's, 2-3 was pushing it. Now, even though I see a girl and am turned on; physically, it's just not possible to fuck her properly if she is my 3rd or 4th of the day, nevermind if it's my 4th day in a roll doing 3-4 girls a day. Physical fitness only has a partial effect. I'm more fit than than 95% of the guys in the clubs and still take viagra to get in more sessions. I'm not flying thousands of miles to a club just to do one or two girls every other day.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486432]EL: I will never understand why guys are taking viagra to fuck a prostitute, with a prostitutes there is 0 stress, the girls just want your cash not your dick, if you are out of libido why taking viagra, stay outside the FKK and safe your money.[/QUOTE]I think it is not to do with performance level or libido, but it is to do with how many times you can session.

When I was in my late 20's and early 30's, I can do 7 rooms and all of them with 7 cum with no problem, but once I hit my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with 3 cums with no problems and after it get much longer to cum and during the process I get bored and penis can get softer, so cialis can be good help without worrying about this after 3rd room.

Now, I am one of few honest forum poster here, and usually there are few mongers here who claim to be super man in everything like I can cum 7 times no problem or all girls gives me every service for 50 euro only etc, but many of us here knows that these are not true, but we play along with them as an adult LOL! So it is normal that once you hit 40's or 50's, you cannot fuck like when we were in our 20's, so I think taking certain booster like cialis can help if you want to have more than 3 or 4 rooms with 3 or 4 cums in short period of time like 3 hours to 5 hours because for me, in most FKK that is night shift my session begin around 8 PM when stunner girls often begin their shift, so I need to be able to cum more than 3 cums and in lucky night when there are few stunners it is 5 rooms with 5 cums or even more in luckier night with good line up, so it is not easy task for men in 40's, 50's or 60's to do that but with booster I am back as in my late 20's LOL!

I think this is fair and honest explanation and there is nothing wrong of making use of what you can get your hand on like we make good use of FKK to boost our sex life!

All I know is that I am so glad I found FKK in my later 20's to offload my lust of youth LOL!

It is still all good though and I am still excited to go especially when I find new stunner! But I am used to stunner girls pussies since I was age 17 or 18 and now more and more, I am calmer is the right word! I approach mongering with more philosophical approach now as the way of not wasted life in sexual area of my life, which is very big important part of my life!

EL: if I can ejaculated I don't spend my time having sex, having sex without coming is completely a waste of time and money, It seems that viagra. Don't make you come more often.

EL: coming 3,4 or 5 times I have never done this in my life even I was a national volleyball player, today I come one or may be 2 times when I am with a woman I feel very well with, mostly in the FKK I come one time but more than 50% of the time I don t even go to the room. I am extremely selective, I only session fresh, natural beauties, no sili, no botox, no hair extension with a very soft skin and if possible not smoking, not so easy to find.

EL: in fact you don't listen to your body which is looking far more reasonable, even you are hard, I am not sure you are able to come each time just because you can't produce so much sperm. What is the link between travelling and taking viagra, sorry I can't understand. I will never spend 3 or more days in a raw visiting FKK, it will be so boring for me.

EL: for sure you don't boost your libido with viagra, it is just increasing the blood flow in your body therefore in your penis, it is only mechanical, libido is in the mind. Even you are hard, I am not sure you can come more often.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2486543]I think it is not to do with performance level or libido, but it is to do with how many times you can session.

When I was in my late 20's and early 30's, I can do 7 rooms and all of them with 7 cum with no problem, but once I hit my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with 3 cums with no problems and after it get much longer to cum and during the process I get bored and penis can get softer, so cialis can be good help without worrying about this after 3rd room.[/QUOTE]Some tricks:

- Do a lot of tights workouts in the weeks ahead, so your blood flow through your tights are pumping well. Then stop that 4 days prior to the FKK run to get energy back, while still having expanded veins. Walking stairs works really good too in addition to the standard exercises like leg press or the slightly less effective different types of bar and manual exercises.

- Eat tons of aphrodisiacs in last 24 HR.

- Take some bulgarian tribulus and tongkat ali tea or pills the last 5 days before you go. (I only stopped doing this because I think I got a fake order once. But it's great if you don't get scammed on your order).

- Take a short nap after each room. 45 min to 1 HR is good. 2 hours if you are very tired.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486444]The problem is that even if we are able to contain the virus in rich modern countries, there are so many poor slum areas around the globe where the virus will continually live on forever. So I have no idea myself.[/QUOTE]Actually some of the emerging nations are doing better! Like Thailand for example, they are doing better than let say Japan which is also doing quite good when it comes to death rate, which Japan focuses on.

What surprised me was Europe, but I understood why, I think it is very hard or harder for European to just stay home and not to socialize. During summer holiday European people were and still are all over the resorts across Europe and most people were not even wearing masks as far as I have seen on Instagram and some news! The concept of mask is not to protect you, but it helps greatly not to give virus to others, so if everyone wear them, it radically decrease the infection rates! But it is not in European freedom loving mentality to wear one, which I understand as nobody want to wear masks, it is just that are you willing to cooperate or not, which was clearly not the will of European people LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2486539]Because viagra does nothing for libido. It purely acts to increase blood flow. You can be aroused and want to keep on fucking but not be able to keep erections after a couple of pops. Viagra does nothing unless you are psychologically aroused. In my 20's, doing 3-4 girls a day without viagra was no issue. In my early 30's, 2-3 was pushing it. Now, even though I see a girl and am turned on; physically, it's just not possible to fuck her properly if she is my 3rd or 4th of the day, nevermind if it's my 4th day in a roll doing 3-4 girls a day. Physical fitness only has a partial effect. I'm more fit than than 95% of the guys in the clubs and still take viagra to get in more sessions. I'm not flying thousands of miles to a club just to do one or two girls every other day.[/QUOTE]I'm able to do 2 to 3 girls a day, day after day no problem. No need for drugs (yet). That works in terms of me being satisfied and in terms of my budget too. The thing is, I rarely do more than 2 a day because I don't see a lot who turn me on anymore. I've fucked so many tutes that I've gotten really, really picky. So when I go to a club, I'm grateful if I see at least 2 I want that day. And I consider myself lucky if there are 3. And if I don't fuck anybody, that's fine too. There's always tomorrow and the next club! When on a trip, I want regular and steady fucks like the next monger, but I didn't fly thousands of miles to fuck girls I'm not attracted to either.

Over time, my standards have changed (higher). I remember when I first started mongering. Was in Latin America. I would fly in, and on the first night would slam fuck hard, hard, hard like 7 or 8 different chicas all on the first night and nut in ever last single one of them! The second night I would fuck 5 or 6 different ones and cum every time. On the third night I would fuck only 1 and cum. Then by the fourth night I would be beat and wouldn't fuck anybody hahahaha! And remember, I'm staying up late too and eating and drinking. After that, I would settle into a steady and stable 2 putas fucked a day for the rest of the trip. Ten days to two weeks later, I would have fucked somewhere between 20 and 30 times, most of that with different putas!

Well, I couldn't fuck quite like that now if I wanted to. I mean, have those really large numbers right at the start of a trip. For one thing, in places like Germany and Brazil it would cost me too much money. And second, like I said I just don't see that many who turn me on so much anymore. And honestly third, I don't have the energy and drive like that anymore. But, I think at my age, being able to do from 1 to 3 a day, day after day without needing viagra or cialis, that's more than respectable. The Cane is still "studding" these pretty young tutes LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2486489]Funny to see viagra guys still up under shower after room. Sport and being fit also help to be hard, but not after, under shower.[/QUOTE]Cialis is okay, but don't forget to monitor your Testosterone. Good bioavailable T cream from a compounding pharmacy will bring back that morning wood and give you energy all day. Also, like Siri says, exercise helps a lot. Make sure when you look down, you can see your own junk LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2486543]I think it is not to do with performance level or libido, but it is to do with how many times you can session.

When I was in my late 20's and early 30's, I can do 7 rooms and all of them with 7 cum with no problem, but once I hit my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with 3 cums with no problems and after it get much longer to cum and during the process I get bored and penis can get softer, so cialis can be good help without worrying about this after 3rd room.

Now, I am one of few honest forum poster here, and usually there are few mongers here who claim to be super man in everything like I can cum 7 times no problem or all girls gives me every service for 50 euro only etc, but many of us here knows that these are not true, but we play along with them as an adult LOL! So it is normal that once you hit 40's or 50's, you cannot fuck like when we were in our 20's, so I think taking certain booster like cialis can help if you want to have more than 3 or 4 rooms with 3 or 4 cums in short period of time like 3 hours to 5 hours because for me, in most FKK that is night shift my session begin around 8 PM when stunner girls often begin their shift, so I need to be able to cum more than 3 cums and in lucky night when there are few stunners it is 5 rooms with 5 cums or even more in luckier night with good line up, so it is not easy task for men in 40's, 50's or 60's to do that but with booster I am back as in my late 20's LOL!

I think this is fair and honest explanation and there is nothing wrong of making use of what you can get your hand on like we make good use of FKK to boost our sex life!

All I know is that I am so glad I found FKK in my later 20's to offload my lust of youth LOL!

It is still all good though and I am still excited to go especially when I find new stunner! But I am used to stunner girls pussies since I was age 17 or 18 and now more and more, I am calmer is the right word! I approach mongering with more philosophical approach now as the way of not wasted life in sexual area of my life, which is very big important part of my life![/QUOTE]Does cialis help you with orgasm too? 3 cums a day is very good.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2486720]Does cialis help you with orgasm too? 3 cums a day is very good.[/QUOTE]I have tried all 3, Viagra, Levitra, Cialis; never found that much difference practically, like how fast it acts, how long it stays in the body etc. I usually take them on the last day (or last 2 days if I am attending for 5+ days in the clubs consecutively). If anything, these things slow down ejaculation. W / the drug, seems like I can stay hard more easily and keep fucking but have a bit more difficulty finishing which is not a problem on days 1-3. I am not sure if it is due to these drugs or because the body is naturally depleted by day 4/5. I typically try not to do 6 days in a row; by then, the senses are slightly desensitized. My max was a visit for 9 days in 2 weeks when I was in DE for an extended business trip but that was in 2014 and I was younger and had a good time even on day 9.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486569]EL: coming 3,4 or 5 times I have never done this in my life even I was a national volleyball player, today I come one or may be 2 times when I am with a woman I feel very well with, mostly in the FKK I come one time but more than 50% of the time I don t even go to the room. I am extremely selective, I only session fresh, natural beauties, no sili, no botox, no hair extension with a very soft skin and if possible not smoking, not so easy to find.[/QUOTE]Those are very rare in FKK. Girls work long hours with some doing over 10 men a day. That wears out their looks. If you pay for the higher end escort scene, you will find much more. These gals are part time and can maintain their looks.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486625]- Take a short nap after each room. 45 min to 1 HR is good. 2 hours if you are very tired.[/QUOTE]This definitely works for me. Instead of drinking beer, I just get a glass of water and a coffee / tea after each session, take a nap of at least an hour (put an alarm on my watch), and then wake up and go find the next tute with almost like a morning wood LOL.

Is this another fake news?

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/world/vietnamese-police-seize-345000-used-condoms-ready-to-be-sold-as-new-reports-say[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2486502]I don't think it is so simple to say sport and being fit help for sex, for sure sport is good for many things (I've been practising sport every weeks with swimming pool and bicycle or even footing for years now) but it is not the solution for everything, with age you lose excitement, it is a normal biological process and you need more and more time between sex, so far![/QUOTE]As long you are healthy and powerful, and sport help a lot, your brain can have libido and being excited, when elegance, chic, excite me, like fucking girls who are married or have BF, I love to make them cum, great excitement, I think I try to get again a bit of what was my real life. As far I understood, but I m not a specialist, viagra or others are just to help you to be hard, when you are not sure you will be able, but nothing about libido, just helping to be more self confident, when if good heart and lungs for good oxygen in blood, you can still be very hard on your own, older than 50 , with girls saying: you are very hard, and you fuck more than guys who are in 20's. Easy, even in chalets I love in garden at Sharks under 35 degrees, compare to climbing for 2 hours. My biggest problem is to find girls who wake up my libido, when I like so much feeling: I desire her. Then, I don't rush, to enjoy my desire.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486569]EL: coming 3,4 or 5 times I have never done this in my life even I was a national volleyball player, today I come one or may be 2 times when I am with a woman I feel very well with, mostly in the FKK I come one time but more than 50% of the time I don t even go to the room. I am extremely selective, I only session fresh, natural beauties, no sili, no botox, no hair extension with a very soft skin and if possible not smoking, not so easy to find.[/QUOTE]Expat,

What do you do with the rest of your time there? From what I've read, it sounds like a plush strip club with tons of naked women hanging around waiting to be fucked. I can imagine I would be selective as well but what do you end up doing with your non session time? How long are your visits normally? It sounds like most guys visit after 8 pm. Are any of you guys hitting FKKs during the day?

Also, for those that responded to my newbie FKK advice request, I appreciate the info and now I'm just waiting to check it out. I have a monger budget that is growing and burning a hole in my pocket. Smh.

02.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2486760]This definitely works for me. Instead of drinking beer, I just get a glass of water and a coffee / tea after each session, take a nap of at least an hour (put an alarm on my watch), and then wake up and go find the next tute with almost like a morning wood LOL.[/QUOTE]Where do you take this nap?

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486790]Where do you take this nap?[/QUOTE]Depends on the club. In Sharks, back side near the Thai masseuse. In Oase, in the relax area. In Globe, near the old pool. In some clubs in Kino. Essentially anywhere I feel comfortable. Almost all clubs are ok for a customer to nap on any couch in any part of the club, except for inside a sex room unless you are with a girl. Funny I even took naps with some girls, though those were quite expensive naps LOL.

EL: I am never after 8 PM in a FKK, I don't drink alcohol when I meet a prostitute, visiting a FKK is to have sex not to be drunk like so many guys. I am doing several sauna, eating, drinking my coffee, checking my mails, if at he beginning the LU is really depressed I will leave for several hours and come back around 5 PM. But I always control my libido and only choose extremely nice girls, I don't care what they do or how they behave all this is fake, for me only beauty matters all the rest is available for free outside the clubs. I don't go to small clubs, just Oase, Artemis, Shark, World, paradise, small clubs are too boring for me.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486789]Expat,

What do you do with the rest of your time there? From what I've read, it sounds like a plush strip club with tons of naked women hanging around waiting to be fucked. I can imagine I would be selective as well but what do you end up doing with your non session time? How long are your visits normally? It sounds like most guys visit after 8 pm. Are any of you guys hitting FKKs during the day?

Also, for those that responded to my newbie FKK advice request, I appreciate the info and now I'm just waiting to check it out. I have a monger budget that is growing and burning a hole in my pocket. Smh.

02.[/QUOTE]It's a good idea to go with a friend. But you can always strike up a conversation with a stranger. We are all there for the same reason. Germans are helpful and polite. It is not uncommon for someone to ask how was a girl after you leave a room and they want to session with the same girl. Also, some people bring materials to read or play on their phones. The bigger clubs are relax areas. Some people go in the day to enjoy the pool and the outside in the summer.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486573]EL: in fact you don't listen to your body which is looking far more reasonable, even you are hard, I am not sure you are able to come each time just because you can't produce so much sperm. What is the link between travelling and taking viagra, sorry I can't understand. I will never spend 3 or more days in a raw visiting FKK, it will be so boring for me.[/QUOTE]So it's a matter of personal preference right? I can spend 3 days in FKKs and be entertained so long as I have a cell phone or a book to relax when not rooming or speaking with girls. At night, the drinks come out and it's all fun when the sun goes down, especially if you are not alone and have a group of friends. Furthermore, if I don't subscribe to the notion that many promote that a room without a finish is worthless. Towards the end of my trips or a 4 day stretch, 2 finishes out of 3 rooms is quite common but I still have a great time. Fucking, blowjobs and sucking on titties is still a great time without a finish so long as I have a room in which I finish later. The "you must finish in every single room" is just peer pressure speak so long as you are still having a good time and having good sex. A good room with a hot girl without a finish is better than not fucking her at all.

As for being able to cum and listening to your body, I supposed that is when the fitness part comes into play. You don't need to produce semen / sperm in order to orgasm, but it may take more physical effort to finish.

Sirioja spoke about being over 50 and fit and not needing viagra but he's not the type of monger who does numerous rooms in a day. The guy does one or two longer rooms a day, not a machine fucker who does 3 or 4 every day.

As for travel and viagra, the comment is only pertinent to travelers who are trying to get the most out of a trip because time is a constraint where we can't just return to a club the next day or the next week. If you only visit every few months or a couple of times a year, you may want to push the most out of your body and your experience. In a two week trip across 6-10 clubs, I may see a over 20 girls that I want to session with and some I would want multiple sessions. In that case, I can't just do 1 or 2 girls a day and do all of the girls that I want without having to push out 3 rooms a day.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486625]Some tricks:

- Do a lot of tights workouts in the weeks ahead, so your blood flow through your tights are pumping well. Then stop that 4 days prior to the FKK run to get energy back, while still having expanded veins. Walking stairs works really good too in addition to the standard exercises like leg press or the slightly less effective different types of bar and manual exercises.

- Eat tons of aphrodisiacs in last 24 HR.

- Take some bulgarian tribulus and tongkat ali tea or pills the last 5 days before you go. (I only stopped doing this because I think I got a fake order once. But it's great if you don't get scammed on your order).

- Take a short nap after each room. 45 min to 1 HR is good. 2 hours if you are very tired.[/QUOTE]Aphrodisiacs like?

What are your tricks for increasing libido? Does anything really works aside from external testosterone? The only thing that makes significant difference in my case is zinc. The rest is all marginal.

Also, do you guys have any tricks for shortening refractory period? I understand physical conditioning matters a lot but I also think there is a decent genetic component. Still, curious about your ways to shorten it.

Tia.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486789]Expat,

What do you do with the rest of your time there? From what I've read, it sounds like a plush strip club with tons of naked women hanging around waiting to be fucked. I can imagine I would be selective as well but what do you end up doing with your non session time? How long are your visits normally? It sounds like most guys visit after 8 pm. Are any of you guys hitting FKKs during the day?

Also, for those that responded to my newbie FKK advice request, I appreciate the info and now I'm just waiting to check it out. I have a monger budget that is growing and burning a hole in my pocket. Smh.

02.[/QUOTE]There are cinema rooms showing porn, separate lounge showing sport, indoor / outdoor swimming pool, jacuzzi, sauna, gym, buffet, also plenty of places just to lie down and relax. I can easily spend 12 hours there.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486625]Some tricks:

- Do a lot of tights workouts in the weeks ahead, so your blood flow through your tights are pumping well. Then stop that 4 days prior to the FKK run to get energy back, while still having expanded veins. Walking stairs works really good too in addition to the standard exercises like leg press or the slightly less effective different types of bar and manual exercises.

- Eat tons of aphrodisiacs in last 24 HR.

- Take some bulgarian tribulus and tongkat ali tea or pills the last 5 days before you go. (I only stopped doing this because I think I got a fake order once. But it's great if you don't get scammed on your order).

- Take a short nap after each room. 45 min to 1 HR is good. 2 hours if you are very tired.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, I do prep before I go on FKK tour too LOL!

I used to take Arghinine supplement, but now I stop that as I notice it is not good to mess with amino balance!

As for sport, I do interval jogging every day at 4 pm and also I walk 20 min almost every morning and I do free weight training at least twice per week, if I can three, but before FKK, I begin working out every day with lighter free weight for few days then go as I tend to get more horny after weight training!

As for tongkatali, I will try that, I tried maca before, it did not work for me, so when I do more than three rooms now, I tend to go for pill as it is easy fix and I do not use it unless I am in FKK! But as the cane says, recently, I do not see many stunners around, but I still try to cum more than 3 times per day with same stunner girl!

As for nap, it is hard to find spot to sleep in FKK though and girls always disturb, next time I may just sneak into room and lock the door and sleep LOL! Well most FKK rooms do not have locks, that is the problem, how many times I go to toilet during long session and returning to wrong room and find other guy fucking other girl LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2486720]Does cialis help you with orgasm too? 3 cums a day is very good.[/QUOTE]I miss my crazy 7 cums per day every day when I was in my late 20's when I first found Artemis and the line up had about 3 to 5 stunners though! I loved this try to cum and cum feeling after 5th cum!

Cialis actually make you harder to cum and I take it after 2nd room now usually and enable me to do it till 5th room and after that it is real hard to find stunner nowadays as the cane pointed out! But I still take same stunner girl to room sometimes not even twice per day, but three times! I tend to like to repeat stunner if no other stunner is not around! It is quality over quantity for me!

However just because cialis make you harder do cum does not mean you cannot cum unless you got issue with cumming, for me it is fine, just extra hard work but hardness is there for me after 3rd cum, so that is what I need now being in my 40's! I do miss my 7 cum, but 5 cum is what I target per day, but usually end up with 3 or 4 cum due to limitation of stunners, but it is good to have this just in case you find the stunner of stunner after your 3rd cum then hey you need hard dick to fuck this new stunner you just found and my libido and will is always there, just need hard dick after 3rd cum, like the song push it to the limit! Is the way to go in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2486774]Is this another fake news?

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/world/vietnamese-police-seize-345000-used-condoms-ready-to-be-sold-as-new-reports-say[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe, but it made it to third level tabloid news, but it does not surprise me as nowadays people do anything for money even lick strangers anal or swallow strangers cum for 50 euro LOL! And that's in europe, imagine elsewhere, anything goes right? LOL!

Well, from my own experience, hitting the gym the last 3 days before an FKK multi day run is a bad idea. 4 or even 5 days in advance is the last time I go full out exhausting myself in the gym. And I feel this strategy helps in adding in some extra sessions. I look less pumped up for the girls, but have more juice ready in the pouch.

I can easily do 4 rooms 5 days in a row if the girls are hot enough. But usually only do 3. Or even sometimes just 2 on a 4-5 day run the past 2 years now. But that is not because I am not able to cum. Because I do cum on 95% of my rooms unless I just want to get done with the room and hit another one immediately after, knowing she is about to leave the club for the night soon. The reason why I don't do 4 rooms a day now in my mid 30's (except on rare occasions) is first because the first 2 or 3 rooms a day is just more sensitive. And secondly, and also more importantly is that I am getting retardedly picky when it comes to girls. And then if I do find a girl who turns me on massively one day, she might only work 6 hours, or be busy most of the day. And then the day after, after having a long nap I may have totally different preferences. Like suddenly wanting a slim blonde instead of that black haired girl with the hot bum I did the day before. Totally polygamous. As if eating pasta two days in a row is not my thing.

And finally there is also a layer of me knowing that there will be more girls the day after. So maybe, just maybe some 9 or 10 girl may suddenly appear out of the blue. In which case I need to be packed and ready!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2486760]This definitely works for me. Instead of drinking beer, I just get a glass of water and a coffee / tea after each session, take a nap of at least an hour (put an alarm on my watch), and then wake up and go find the next tute with almost like a morning wood LOL.[/QUOTE]So you are the type who can sleep easily anywhere? You are lucky as I cannot, what is your trick? I got so much racing in my brain in FKK LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486865]Well, from my own experience, hitting the gym the last 3 days before an FKK multi day run is a bad idea. 4 or even 5 days in advance is the last time I go full out exhausting myself in the gym. And I feel this strategy helps in adding in some extra sessions. I look less pumped up for the girls, but have more juice ready in the pouch.

I can easily do 4 rooms 5 days in a row if the girls are hot enough. But usually only do 3. Or even sometimes just 2 on a 4-5 day run the past 2 years now. But that is not because I am not able to cum. Because I do cum on 95% of my rooms unless I just want to get done with the room and hit another one immediately after, knowing she is about to leave the club for the night soon. The reason why I don't do 4 rooms a day now in my mid 30's (except on rare occasions) is first because the first 2 or 3 rooms a day is just more sensitive. And secondly, and also more importantly is that I am getting retardedly picky when it comes to girls. And then if I do find a girl who turns me on massively one day, she might only work 6 hours, or be busy most of the day. And then the day after, after having a long nap I may have totally different preferences. Like suddenly wanting a slim blonde instead of that black haired girl with the hot bum I did the day before. Totally polygamous. As if eating pasta two days in a row is not my thing.

And finally there is also a layer of me knowing that there will be more girls the day after. So maybe, just maybe some 9 or 10 girl may suddenly appear out of the blue. In which case I need to be packed and ready![/QUOTE]Looking clean can help, but girls cares more about how pumped up your wallet is, not the muscle LOL.

For me, work out helps a lot during even FKK tour because during the trip I do nothing, but get up, eat, walk / commute to FKK, sit around for hours to find stunner, fuck good, repeat etc, so my motivation can get very low as it becomes routine, but happy routine that I have been doing it for years LOL over 10 years now for FKK LOL! So little boost to my system can help to get circulation going both physically and mentally!

But of course there are cialis etc as quick easier booster!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486865]Well, from my own experience, hitting the gym the last 3 days before an FKK multi day run is a bad idea. 4 or even 5 days in advance is the last time I go full out exhausting myself in the gym. And I feel this strategy helps in adding in some extra sessions. I look less pumped up for the girls, but have more juice ready in the pouch.

I can easily do 4 rooms 5 days in a row if the girls are hot enough. But usually only do 3. Or even sometimes just 2 on a 4-5 day run the past 2 years now. But that is not because I am not able to cum. Because I do cum on 95% of my rooms unless I just want to get done with the room and hit another one immediately after, knowing she is about to leave the club for the night soon. The reason why I don't do 4 rooms a day now in my mid 30's (except on rare occasions) is first because the first 2 or 3 rooms a day is just more sensitive. And secondly, and also more importantly is that I am getting retardedly picky when it comes to girls. And then if I do find a girl who turns me on massively one day, she might only work 6 hours, or be busy most of the day. And then the day after, after having a long nap I may have totally different preferences. Like suddenly wanting a slim blonde instead of that black haired girl with the hot bum I did the day before. Totally polygamous. As if eating pasta two days in a row is not my thing.

And finally there is also a layer of me knowing that there will be more girls the day after. So maybe, just maybe some 9 or 10 girl may suddenly appear out of the blue. In which case I need to be packed and ready![/QUOTE]This brings up a big issue. How do you schedule the three girls so you have your optimum session at the right time. It is a real shame when you have done your sessions only to see that rare super hot beauty become available. Do you go for it when you might not be able to perform or just call it a day hoping she will be back tomorrow. I remember when the girls were hotter, but they were just not very available due to demand. I go for fewer girls with longer sessions. The girls have less stress and you have a better time. Nothing like banging a girl, taking a break and doing it again and again. My favorite saying by a particularly horny girl after we have fucked a long time is: Honey, I want to clean up, but as soon as you are ready, I want to do it again.

Sorry but having a orgasm without coming seems not very natural for a man at least for me. I am also 60+, taking 0 medicine, and I don't understand why I need to take some to having sex with a prostitute. When my libido is too low, I go buy a new classic car or repair 1 of mine, or go walking in the mountain, mountain bike. But for sure not visiting a FKK. I never go with friends, this is my personal things I am sharing it with nobody.

Just let you guys know in case you are not sure that both mongers and WGs in the rooms in NRW clubs legally require wearing masks all the time, even during sex.



[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485450]But the guy who is marrying these FKK girls is getting the sex for free while you paid for it haha.

Not to mention he is probably stealing all her money and her cars.

And some of the girls may not be 35. Could be a 25 year old FKK girl, in which case he fucks at home for free with no condom and she comes to the club, some dumber naive Asian dude pays her 300 for half hour for the privilege of eating her unwashed pussy in which her BF had just cum plus 2 minutes of anal and 3 minutes of lesbo with another girl, DFK thrown in for 30 sec. And the lover boy is laughing at these guys while he drives a BMW paid for by the club visitors.

I guess this is the food chain of fuck clubs.[/QUOTE]+1 and well said except that he doesn't have to marry his girl. Loverboy is at the top of food chain in this business and society in general. From my experience the ultimate test of how much affection a girl (a WG in this case) has towards a guy is generally whether she is willing to do BBFS (sex without condom) with this guy if she normally doesn't do BBFS.

You can fuck her brain out and make her multiple orgasm, but they do nothing in her affection department. So don't try to make WGs have orgasm with the illusion that she would start to like you because of orgasm. It doesn't work like that. You pay for session and why you should work hard for her to have orgasm unless you enjoy to see WGs getting orgasm.


[QUOTE=SaratogaX;2486849]

What are your tricks for increasing libido? Does anything really works aside from external testosterone? The only thing that makes significant difference in my case is zinc. The rest is all marginal.

Also, do you guys have any tricks for shortening refractory period? I understand physical conditioning matters a lot but I also think there is a decent genetic component. Still, curious about your ways to shorten it.

Tia.[/QUOTE]Take Maca supplement. It works for me.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2487021]
You can fuck her brain out and make her multiple orgasm, but they do nothing in her affection department. So don't try to make WGs have orgasm with the illusion that she would start to like you because of orgasm. It doesn't work like that. You pay for session and why you should work hard for her to have orgasm unless you enjoy to see WGs getting orgasm.


[/QUOTE]One clarification: Above paragraph in my previous post was not addressed to Pessimist specifically. It was a part of my post to any readers here.

Fortunately not my experience in NRW, no mask when sitting chatting very close face to face with girls and of course, fortunately not in room, I would never go for a room with mask, just impossible for me to have sex facing a mask. Among gossiping, bullshits and lies, I enjoy to make cum attractive girls, not fake porn moanings, but don't touch me now, seeing their round eyes, sometimes chicken skin, hard dark nipples, hard growing clit and their flowing liquid, because at that moment, real reactions and they are woman, when I really don't need a prostitute tells me she loves me, it was always only problems. Record is I worked really hard needing more than 1 hour on German Lucifer at Gold on September 2019. I remember Laura at Velbert telling me when I was to give up after nearly 30 mn, You started, now You finish me. 45 mn, didn't feel my tongue, could hardly speak. Some returning asking for, one with a BF at GT ex Sharks. Like I learned with my real life girlfriends. In real life, if you are not able to give orgasms to women, then you are boring for sex and they have headache, when they come to ask when they have pleasure.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2486794]Depends on the club. In Sharks, back side near the Thai masseuse. In Oase, in the relax area. In Globe, near the old pool. In some clubs in Kino. Essentially anywhere I feel comfortable. Almost all clubs are ok for a customer to nap on any couch in any part of the club, except for inside a sex room unless you are with a girl. Funny I even took naps with some girls, though those were quite expensive naps LOL.[/QUOTE]In Sharks I like to nap upstairs opposite to where the rooms are. There is a vantage point where I can see which girls are available.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487074]In Sharks I like to nap upstairs opposite to where the rooms are. There is a vantage point where I can see which girls are available.[/QUOTE]Never try to sleep in the lounge chairs on the first floor at Mainhattan. The girls never leave you alone there. Best to go try to find a spot in the cinema area or some place away from the girls. The last time I was at Oase, I found that they had set up a new upstairs area with a TV and lounge chairs. It was great for getting away when you wanted to. Wanting to get away from many pretty, naked girls who say that want to "fuck with" you. Imagine that LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486963]Sorry but having a orgasm without coming seems not very natural for a man at least for me. I am also 60+, taking 0 medicine, and I don't understand why I need to take some to having sex with a prostitute. When my libido is too low, I go buy a new classic car or repair 1 of mine, or go walking in the mountain, mountain bike. But for sure not visiting a FKK. I never go with friends, this is my personal things I am sharing it with nobody.[/QUOTE]We all have our personal preferences.

As for orgasms without productive ejaculation, if you feel as if it's unnatural, take it up with God as he designed it that way. But I'll tell you what's not natural, fucking 3-4 girls per day to orgasm for multiple days in a row.

Again, viagra / other performance enhancers and libido / desire have nothing to do with each other. All of the desire in the world does not matter if your cellular signaling remain in the refractory period. Even testosterone levels do not have a clear or direct role in maintaining erections, unless they are pathologically low. Physical fitness and general health only has supplementary effects unless your health is so poor that your circulation is compromised.

I think a lot of your side of the argument comes from a place of ego and pride, which comes at the cost of a good time as I've had plenty of wonderful third and fourth rooms which would not have been possible without the help of modern medicine.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2487069]Fortunately not my experience in NRW, no mask when sitting chatting very close face to face with girls and of course, fortunately not in room, I would never go for a room with mask, just impossible for me to have sex facing a mask. Among gossiping, bullshits and lies, I enjoy to make cum attractive girls, not fake porn moanings, but don't touch me now, seeing their round eyes, sometimes chicken skin, hard dark nipples, hard growing clit and their flowing liquid, because at that moment, real reactions and they are woman, when I really don't need a prostitute tells me she loves me, it was always only problems. Record is I worked really hard needing more than 1 hour on German Lucifer at Gold on September 2019. I remember Laura at Velbert telling me when I was to give up after nearly 30 mn, You started, now You finish me. 45 mn, didn't feel my tongue, could hardly speak. Some returning asking for, one with a BF at GT ex Sharks. Like I learned with my real life girlfriends. In real life, if you are not able to give orgasms to women, then you are boring for sex and they have headache, when they come to ask when they have pleasure.[/QUOTE]It is alarming how Europe forgot or more abandon the restraint of traveling and just travel once the summer holiday season came, and when infection rates are rising once again, people once again moan about infection rate and death. The reason is them who is doing this because they just cannot sit at home and be responsible for others lives. I think it is wise to be more self responsible concerning the situation we are in now and stay away from clouded place for well being of society and most importantly to avoid death and doing this is basically leading to killing people.

This above is accurate observation and the reason for rapid spread in certain part of Europe is people not willing to cooperate to simple rule of staying home as much as they can and also to wear mask once in enclosed space, and when infection rate goes up and people begin to die, they moan, but they are the one who is causing this with their action of moving around doing what they feel like doing not caring about others.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487076]Never try to sleep in the lounge chairs on the first floor at Mainhattan. The girls never leave you alone there. Best to go try to find a spot in the cinema area or some place away from the girls. The last time I was at Oase, I found that they had set up a new upstairs area with a TV and lounge chairs. It was great for getting away when you wanted to. Wanting to get away from many pretty, naked girls who say that want to "fuck with" you. Imagine that LOL![/QUOTE]Once I was sick, but still went to Palace, and took a place near swimming pool where the computer with internet was, and lay quietly in bed in dark corner there where you are hard to be seen, but! Girls still found me and sit by bed and beginning kissing you on the face or ear and whisper something to my ear or tell me something stupid like what are you doing? I mean what does it look like, resting! LOL I wonder this sales they do of swirling around club and talk to mongers who are clearly resting away somewhere in hidden corner works? I mean we station ourselves in far from main bar and lay in bed because we want to rest right? They even wakes you up and ask you to room! And these sales ladies are 99% not pretty ones LOL! This is what I call Romanian nightmares or German nightmares or whatever LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487185]We all have our personal preferences.

As for orgasms without productive ejaculation, if you feel as if it's unnatural, take it up with God as he designed it that way. But I'll tell you what's not natural, fucking 3-4 girls per day to orgasm for multiple days in a row.

Again, viagra / other performance enhancers and libido / desire have nothing to do with each other. All of the desire in the world does not matter if your cellular signaling remain in the refractory period. Even testosterone levels do not have a clear or direct role in maintaining erections, unless they are pathologically low. Physical fitness and general health only has supplementary effects unless your health is so poor that your circulation is compromised.

I think a lot of your side of the argument comes from a place of ego and pride, which comes at the cost of a good time as I've had plenty of wonderful third and fourth rooms which would not have been possible without the help of modern medicine.[/QUOTE]Exactly! When I was in my late 20's when I first discover FKK in 2009, I could do 5 rooms to max 7 rooms I have done before with cum and orgasm for each room, but when I hit about 35, I began to have problem finishing after 3rd room that I have to ejaculate with girls and finish with CIM etc. I was and am honest about it, but there always are few posters who claim many things that are too unnatural, but we play along with their claim with our adult attitude!

However, now that I am in my 40's that cumming 3 times or max 4 times in short period of time is my max (I begin first session around 8 pm in most of club as that is when stunner often walk in for most clubs and I only go with stunner), so I have about 4 hours in FKK to cum 3 or 4 times till I go back to hotel around bit later than midnight!

Having said that, this is where modern medicine comes in! If I want to fuck like I used to in my late 20's in FKK to early 30's doing more than 4 rooms with each with cum and orgasm without jerking off, I need these medicine to stay strong, so for me, it worked and helped me greatly and enhance my enjoyment in FKK! As I get older, I may not even able to do more than once without these medicine with very minor or for me no side effect, so I am grateful for these medicine to exist and thankfully side effect is almost none!

I enjoy doing unnatural thing like fucking different stunners more than 4 of them or many as I can find if line up is lucky and I like to not to worry about age related matter! I still long for the days I could do 7 rooms with cum no problem, but now that it is not biological reality for me, after 3rd room, I begin taking cialis! Or other medicine is on my list to try out like levitra etc.

I do sport daily and I am fit and eat healthy in Tokyo, but hey age is age and I am just being honest here and I am grateful for these amazing harmless medicine with almost no side effect and hey! As for cialis, there are many evidence that it actually is very good for your arteries as it improve your blood circulation and for me cialis also helps me for my muscle tension on shoulder and neck! It somehow make it better when I have muscle tension due to desk work etc! So it has nice bi-productive effect than just erection.

I am for using support for these modern medicine and soon or later as we get older, we going to need it and be thankful to it! I am just being honest here! I am in my 40's now and I hope I remain as I am now, but if not, I got medicine world and soon or later even better medicine will come out!

For me it is not libido etc, it is just that after 3rd room, I need medicine most of time to cum, if not it get soft while fucking or I need like one hour of sex to finally cum, and after third room, one hour full action session can be hard LOL! Even though I am up for it libido wise LOL! I am hentai fucker, so for libido no problem, I need booster for biology side LOL!

Even at age 70, I be a Robo Monger like a Robo cop LOL! Or Terminator Monger version LOL! Any help I can get my hand on, I will use it!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487076]Never try to sleep in the lounge chairs on the first floor at Mainhattan. The girls never leave you alone there. Best to go try to find a spot in the cinema area or some place away from the girls.[/QUOTE]Best place for me in Mainhatten was the first deck chair to the left just after going past the entrance to the jacuzzi section. Slept there many times without geing disturbed once.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487074]In Sharks I like to nap upstairs opposite to where the rooms are. There is a vantage point where I can see which girls are available.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I second that! Even though Sharks is not my favorite club, I do love the upstairs area especially where the jacuzzi is on the corner, there is good spot to rest and also look down to floor from above, it is directly above main bar on the left, so got the perfect view! But never a fan of lighting on sharks! Good service club though!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2486539]Because viagra does nothing for libido. It purely acts to increase blood flow. You can be aroused and want to keep on fucking but not be able to keep erections after a couple of pops. Viagra does nothing unless you are psychologically aroused. In my 20's, doing 3-4 girls a day without viagra was no issue. In my early 30's, 2-3 was pushing it. Now, even though I see a girl and am turned on; physically, it's just not possible to fuck her properly if she is my 3rd or 4th of the day, nevermind if it's my 4th day in a roll doing 3-4 girls a day. Physical fitness only has a partial effect. I'm more fit than than 95% of the guys in the clubs and still take viagra to get in more sessions. I'm not flying thousands of miles to a club just to do one or two girls every other day.[/QUOTE]You have the desire but your body isn't giving you the erection you need. After the Vitamin V, you obviously get erect, but do you wind up shooting blanks? Is there an orgasm?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486963]Sorry but having a orgasm without coming seems not very natural for a man at least for me. I am also 60+, taking 0 medicine, and I don't understand why I need to take some to having sex with a prostitute. When my libido is too low, I go buy a new classic car or repair 1 of mine, or go walking in the mountain, mountain bike. But for sure not visiting a FKK. I never go with friends, this is my personal things I am sharing it with nobody.[/QUOTE]Classic cars are great, I am big fan of any 911 that are air cooled and before 993 !

Natures are great too, I am big fan of both mountain and beautiful ocean!

I love cycling too! Nothing beat shimano!

But above all, I love young beautiful girls LOL! Nothing above beat young beautiful girls LOL! So for me, it has nothing to do with performance enhancer, it is just that even when I am age 60 or 70 or whatever, I like to fuck like when I was in my 20's and fuck many stunners as I can when I am in FKK and if there are stunners, I do not want to miss out on things just because I fucked few times on that day already! So medicine in this kind of case helps, it has nothing to do with pleasing prostitute it is all to do with serving my need of fucking many young beautiful stunners as I can find LOL! And after age 40, doing more than 3 rooms all with strongest erection get hard, for me I can always cum, and have orgasm, but from 4th room after 3rd cum, penis can get soft easily, so I need support from modern science world LOL! So it does not matter I find stunner after all day of fucking, I can fuck like teenager again at 11 PM at night in FKK as it is my first session of the day LOL!

And I never go to FKK with friend, I am on my own there always too, but now and then I meet some very nice fellow mongers in FKK and have some random nice chat! And even on this forum too! Mongering is greatest hobby above all others for me!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487239]You have the desire but your body isn't giving you the erection you need. After the Vitamin V, you obviously get erect, but do you wind up shooting blanks? Is there an orgasm?[/QUOTE]Yeah man. I've definitely had some situations where it was like a drop of water from a leaky faucet but hey, we're not trying to impregnate these hobags. Contractions, endorphins released, all the same without the "dropping loads" part.

Side note, someone else mentioned something about cialis / viagra making it harder to climax. I can't find any research but I've had similar experiences. I remember a few times where Viagra made me so rock hard that I felt that it also made it less sensitive. Cialis on other hand has always given me trouble. Seems like it always affects sensitivity but without the superman boner of viagra, lose-lose for me.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2487258]Yeah man. I've definitely had some situations where it was like a drop of water from a leaky faucet but hey, we're not trying to impregnate these hobags. Contractions, endorphins released, all the same without the "dropping loads" part.

Side note, someone else mentioned something about cialis / viagra making it harder to climax. I can't find any research but I've had similar experiences. I remember a few times where Viagra made me so rock hard that I felt that it also made it less sensitive. Cialis on other hand has always given me trouble. Seems like it always affects sensitivity but without the superman boner of viagra, lose-lose for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. My load production has decreased with age as well but not my tumescence. L-Arginine seems to help, I only use it when I need to. I've shot blanks before after too many sessions.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487278]Thanks for the feedback. My load production has decreased with age as well but not my tumescence. L-Arginine seems to help, I only use it when I need to. I've shot blanks before after too many sessions.[/QUOTE]Arginine helped a lot in short term too, but after short while I think it has side effect because it messes with your amino balance, what is your take on this?

It could be consider to take it in very short term like a week before FKK trip and during FKK trip, so two weeks of arginine then stop till next trip.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487278]Thanks for the feedback. My load production has decreased with age as well but not my tumescence. L-Arginine seems to help, I only use it when I need to. I've shot blanks before after too many sessions.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

From my own experience: the best and maye cheapest and safest way to increase everything that is good for manhood and sex-power is to increase your muscular mass: go to the gym, do push ups, etc at home, and the best of the best is to work your legs' muscles by cycling. Please try it, you will be thankful.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487239]You have the desire but your body isn't giving you the erection you need. After the Vitamin V, you obviously get erect, but do you wind up shooting blanks? Is there an orgasm?[/QUOTE]Yes, there are more intense orgasm after 4th or 5th cum in few hours! But one has to work harder and need some assistance of cialis etc to stay hard as doing it more than 4th or 5th cum in matter of few hour is hard thing for penis erection stand point, but orgasm and maybe little cum is still there and in case of orgasm, it is more intense!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487278]Thanks for the feedback. My load production has decreased with age as well but not my tumescence. L-Arginine seems to help, I only use it when I need to. I've shot blanks before after too many sessions.[/QUOTE]When a tute really turns me on and excites me with her looks and performance, then she still gets a huge, huge, huge gooey load out of me. I can do 1 to 3 tutes a day (depends on how many I find attractive enough to fuck on any given day and what the budget will allow), day after day without the need for the use of drugs, and the load will be a plenty if she's hot and dirty. In words and / or deeds.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2487220]Yeah, I second that! Even though Sharks is not my favorite club, I do love the upstairs area especially where the jacuzzi is on the corner, there is good spot to rest and also look down to floor from above, it is directly above main bar on the left, so got the perfect view! But never a fan of lighting on sharks! Good service club though![/QUOTE]Thats my favorite spot also especially the two loungers by the rails. You also get a good view of the girls going up / out of the room so you get an idea of how long they were in the room. But I agree on the lighting so many times a girl looks decent from a distance but when you go up to them you change your mind.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2487208]Best place for me in Mainhatten was the first deck chair to the left just after going past the entrance to the jacuzzi section. Slept there many times without geing disturbed once.[/QUOTE]Large bed on the left in Mainhattan wellness area.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2487383]Thats my favorite spot also especially the two loungers by the rails. You also get a good view of the girls going up / out of the room so you get an idea of how long they were in the room. But I agree on the lighting so many times a girl looks decent from a distance but when you go up to them you change your mind.[/QUOTE]Yeah, so what I do is I station myself often at where the water server is near the food area, there you have good light on girls face! I got sweet spot for each FKK I went and for sharks, that is one of the best spot, other is outside area in summer, but not all girls go outside, but most come around resty area, so water server is the place I situate myself!

[QUOTE=Palcon;2487383]Thats my favorite spot also especially the two loungers by the rails. You also get a good view of the girls going up / out of the room so you get an idea of how long they were in the room. But I agree on the lighting so many times a girl looks decent from a distance but when you go up to them you change your mind.[/QUOTE]During summer I nap outside on the lounge chairs to the right when leaving the restaurant. Right side of the pool that is, to the back. During winter or when its cold outside I look specifically for either of those two loungers by the rails. Surprisingly they're available most of the time. Girls do approach you there though. Some will even awake you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487418]During summer I nap outside on the lounge chairs to the right when leaving the restaurant. Right side of the pool that is, to the back. During winter or when its cold outside I look specifically for either of those two loungers by the rails. Surprisingly they're available most of the time. Girls do approach you there though. Some will even awake you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and if you show annoyance at them for waking you, then they get annoyed at you! WTF? They're being rude! So many women think they understand men, but so many don't know a damn thing about men. A man who is trying to catch some Z's isn't always going to be happy with you disturbing him when he's clearly trying to get some rest. So give it a rest tutes!

[QUOTE=Gobernador;2487344]Gentlemen,

From my own experience: the best and maye cheapest and safest way to increase everything that is good for manhood and sex-power is to increase your muscular mass: go to the gym, do push ups, etc at home, and the best of the best is to work your legs' muscles by cycling. Please try it, you will be thankful.[/QUOTE]I think trained to efforts heart and good lungs getting you good oxygen in your blood are more efficient than guys taking products to become bibendum, and I often see muscular tattooed having small size in clubs. Swimming, running or bicycle will give better performances to be hard without viagra. But I agree, having muscles in belly help to control, to stay on the edge, to enjoy fucking, rather than finishing like a rabbit. What is great is when you are able to control, after a while, the girl will lose her strength and control, and exhausted she cums, then you let go, and sometimes when she feels you just after her, she cums again, looking at you with round eyes. Funny when girls touch my belly, compare to usual fat bellies, so I show them kicking hard in my belly, they look at me with round eyes, telling: please, stop this. For sure, being really sporty help with girls, even when you are more than 50, then you can fuck for hours without needing help. Most difficult is to find beauties who wake up desire. Didn't find on last night, once more, at Globe Zurich.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487427]Yeah, and if you show annoyance at them for waking you, then they get annoyed at you! WTF? They're being rude! So many women think they understand men, but so many don't know a damn thing about men. A man who is trying to catch some Z's isn't always going to be happy with you disturbing him when he's clearly trying to get some rest. So give it a rest tutes![/QUOTE]But but, what if you are woke up by a no-talk direct sloppy blowjob by a hot tute, let's say like Roxana ex-Sharks or Mary ex-Oase? Would you still be annoyed?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487427]Yeah, and if you show annoyance at them for waking you, then they get annoyed at you! WTF? They're being rude! So many women think they understand men, but so many don't know a damn thing about men. A man who is trying to catch some Z's isn't always going to be happy with you disturbing him when he's clearly trying to get some rest. So give it a rest tutes![/QUOTE]Their mindset is that they are beautiful, so all the men who see them should be on the knee chasing them, but what they failed to understand is the ability to see inside the latest modern technology for them called mirror LOL!

Plus some of us mongers standard got so high that we no longer find stunner easily, for me, finding stunner to go to room is the hardest part of the trip! I sometimes feel like a sharp shooter in FKK, just sitting for hours literally waiting for stunner to begin her shift! And I do sometimes sit for 3 or even 4 hours beginning at usually 5 pm depending on which club, but 5 pm is when I began my sniper like activity LOL!

It was easier to spot pre let say 2015!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2487468]I think trained to efforts heart and good lungs getting you good oxygen in your blood are more efficient than guys taking products to become bibendum, and I often see muscular tattooed having small size in clubs. Swimming, running or bicycle will give better performances to be hard without viagra. But I agree, having muscles in belly help to control, to stay on the edge, to enjoy fucking, rather than finishing like a rabbit. What is great is when you are able to control, after a while, the girl will lose her strength and control, and exhausted she cums, then you let go, and sometimes when she feels you just after her, she cums again, looking at you with round eyes. Funny when girls touch my belly, compare to usual fat bellies, so I show them kicking hard in my belly, they look at me with round eyes, telling: please, stop this. For sure, being really sporty help with girls, even when you are more than 50, then you can fuck for hours without needing help. Most difficult is to find beauties who wake up desire. Didn't find on last night, once more, at Globe Zurich.[/QUOTE]I think you need both cardio and strength for optimal performance. Sex is a cardiovascular activity, so adaptation helps. But long bouts of cardiovascular activity can increase cortisol and decrease testosterone. Strength training offsets that.

Any physical trainers here want to put together an FKK workout? I imagine some hard cardio training as a base, tapering a few weeks before a visit, and moving to strength training might work best.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2487478]But but, what if you are woke up by a no-talk direct sloppy blowjob by a hot tute, let's say like Roxana ex-Sharks or Mary ex-Oase? Would you still be annoyed?[/QUOTE]I'll let you know how I feel about that after it happens LOL! Never has to date, and probably never will. But if it does, I'll let you know hahaha!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487527]I think you need both cardio and strength for optimal performance. Sex is a cardiovascular activity, so adaptation helps. But long bouts of cardiovascular activity can increase cortisol and decrease testosterone. Strength training offsets that.

Any physical trainers here want to put together an FKK workout? I imagine some hard cardio training as a base, tapering a few weeks before a visit, and moving to strength training might work best.[/QUOTE]I'll reiterate that cardiovascular fitness only has secondary and supplemental effects on sexual health. Strength training with large muscle groups and heavy weights will increase testosterone overtime which will increase sexual desire but to be reiterated again, testosterone levels have very little to no direct effects on erection and orgasm capabilities.

Sodium / potassium level, hydration, rest, and genetically determined refractory periods may have more to do with erections and orgasm than testosterone and cardio fitness. Hell, increased sensitivity in uncircumcised men has more to do with ability to orgasm than testosterone levels.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2487468]I think trained to efforts heart and good lungs getting you good oxygen in your blood are more efficient than guys taking products to become bibendum, and I often see muscular tattooed having small size in clubs. Swimming, running or bicycle will give better performances to be hard without viagra. But I agree, having muscles in belly help to control, to stay on the edge, to enjoy fucking, rather than finishing like a rabbit. What is great is when you are able to control, after a while, the girl will lose her strength and control, and exhausted she cums, then you let go, and sometimes when she feels you just after her, she cums again, looking at you with round eyes. Funny when girls touch my belly, compare to usual fat bellies, so I show them kicking hard in my belly, they look at me with round eyes, telling: please, stop this. For sure, being really sporty help with girls, even when you are more than 50, then you can fuck for hours without needing help. Most difficult is to find beauties who wake up desire. Didn't find on last night, once more, at Globe Zurich.[/QUOTE]Not when you do more than 4 rooms per day like I sometimes do if there is stunners or if a stunner is good in bed!

I work out twice per week, do interval jogging everyday between 4 pm to 5 pm and I also try to take little walk in the morning for 30 min on daily basis and I have been doing this for 16 years, but now I am at age 40 and I can do three rooms all with cum and strong dick no problem, but 4th room often get harder to stay hard as it is more harder to cum at 4th room, so I use cialis to boost me up after 3rd room!

Exercise is good thing, but it is not miracle cure for all and doing it more than 3 cum in matter of few hours and everyday is not easy task as one get older and there is no miracle cure, but from science world, thanks to nerd, they used to give me homework for me during school years and now those nerds are giving me solution how to fuck more than 3 stunners in few hours LOL! Nerds are the best LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487380]When a tute really turns me on and excites me with her looks and performance, then she still gets a huge, huge, huge gooey load out of me. I can do 1 to 3 tutes a day (depends on how many I find attractive enough to fuck on any given day and what the budget will allow), day after day without the need for the use of drugs, and the load will be a plenty if she's hot and dirty. In words and / or deeds.[/QUOTE]So it is not just you, but even your sperm shows refusal response out of your body when the tute is not good looking enough or performance level is limited LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487527]I think you need both cardio and strength for optimal performance. Sex is a cardiovascular activity, so adaptation helps. But long bouts of cardiovascular activity can increase cortisol and decrease testosterone. Strength training offsets that.

Any physical trainers here want to put together an FKK workout? I imagine some hard cardio training as a base, tapering a few weeks before a visit, and moving to strength training might work best.[/QUOTE]I answered about muscular bibendum we can see in clubs who usually drink more than going with girls, but I m afraid girls would suffer with a marathonian Kenyan or Ethiopian who are fit slim powerful, these guys would exhaust and kill girls pussy.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487527]I think you need both cardio and strength for optimal performance. Sex is a cardiovascular activity, so adaptation helps. But long bouts of cardiovascular activity can increase cortisol and decrease testosterone. Strength training offsets that.

Any physical trainers here want to put together an FKK workout? I imagine some hard cardio training as a base, tapering a few weeks before a visit, and moving to strength training might work best.[/QUOTE]During lockdown I did the couch-to-5 k app training and at my last escort session I noticed a noticeble increase in strength and number of cums. Give it a try.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2487478]But but, what if you are woke up by a no-talk direct sloppy blowjob by a hot tute, let's say like Roxana ex-Sharks or Mary ex-Oase? Would you still be annoyed?[/QUOTE]Maybe it is by some guy LOL! Never sleep in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2487574]Not when you do more than 4 rooms per day like I sometimes do if there is stunners or if a stunner is good in bed!

I work out twice per week, do interval jogging everyday between 4 pm to 5 pm and I also try to take little walk in the morning for 30 min on daily basis and I have been doing this for 16 years, but now I am at age 40 and I can do three rooms all with cum and strong dick no problem, but 4th room often get harder to stay hard as it is more harder to cum at 4th room, so I use cialis to boost me up after 3rd room!

Exercise is good thing, but it is not miracle cure for all and doing it more than 3 cum in matter of few hours and everyday is not easy task as one get older and there is no miracle cure, but from science world, thanks to nerd, they used to give me homework for me during school years and now those nerds are giving me solution how to fuck more than 3 stunners in few hours LOL! Nerds are the best LOL![/QUOTE]Of course, I m not a rabbit and I don't rush, no hurry for me, I don't go once a year, when before covid, because job conditions are much more complicated about safety now, I could go 5 days per week if I wanted, when not on holidays or ski world cup or formula 1 . In July, at GT Vienna, so happy to find Anita ex Bruggen, had 3 1 hour rooms, finishing 3 times, with 3 different attractive girls, all was just fluent sex like at home even complicated with wow aura Iranian Sepid taboos, between 6 pm and 2 am. Like on bicycle, like good french wine, I think getting older, I improve, really no problem and no need Viagra to be hard, when I almost didn't sleep on previous night, driving from Globe where had no room. But I make real sports, increasing oxygen in my blood. My only problem is to find desirable girls. GT Vienna discovery was a wow day, not often like this, even at Globe where it is Christmas for me when I find only one.

No desire with Roxana Sharks who became silicon. I remember her just arrived at Wellcum on August 2017 , and really not busy.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2487478]But but, what if you are woke up by a no-talk direct sloppy blowjob by a hot tute, let's say like Roxana ex-Sharks or Mary ex-Oase? Would you still be annoyed?[/QUOTE]The hot girls don't need to act that desperate. If I am remembering the WGs you mentioned above accurately, which I may be mixing up in my mind because my memory is not super good when it comes to prostitute names, those girls were generally busy and did not need to act as pests to solicit new business. Typically, they used to be busy with guys lining up for the next room.

The WGs waking up napping guys are typically the middling quality runts. They need to scour the premises, walk the floor or stairs or garden or what have you, and pester guys for sessions. They don't mind waking up guys because there is limited downside for them. I assume they don't wake up their regulars and risk upsetting their stamgast. Perhaps some of them also obtain perverse pleasure at waking up guys. I mean if a guy had rejected a girl before and she thinks that guy will never take her anyway, she gets some revenge by disturbing his sleep intentionally. I hope there are not many such girls around.

But to answer your question, girl taking a guy's dick into her mouth while he is napping can be annoying too. What if she is hot but not your type or you don't like her service? She sucks you for a minute, you are obligated to go to the room and then she provides lousy service for a few minutes (and demands 50 extra for doing BBBJ) and you are on the hook to pay?

If that is a girl that I wanted to session with, I would have asked her myself. And when I am napping that is my time. What if I just completed a session and know I will not be able to perform optimally for another 3 hours and hence napping, some hoe starts sucking and I am obligated to room with her but the wood bends over into softness pretty quick?

So, generally I do not favor such sneak attacks under any circumstance.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2487646]During lockdown I did the couch-to-5 k app training and at my last escort session I noticed a noticeble increase in strength and number of cums. Give it a try.[/QUOTE]LOL. We've got one guy bragging about skiing and climbing the Alps, and you're talking about C25 K? Maybe it is largely genetic.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2487646]During lockdown I did the couch-to-5 k app training and at my last escort session I noticed a noticeble increase in strength and number of cums. Give it a try.[/QUOTE]5 km? So you really are the rocky balboa LOL!

I do interval jogging of 5 km almost per day though, it keeps me fit, but won't make me cum more than 4th time to 7th time easily though, why not use science when it is there! Nothing beat those and no side effect as long as you do not abuse it! I only take them when I am on FKK trip when things are beyond abnormal and I must do more than 4 rounds in matter of few hours or even more rounds depending on stunners available!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487759]LOL. We've got one guy bragging about skiing and climbing the Alps [/QUOTE]365 days recipe for all apparently LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2487782]5 km? So you really are the rocky balboa LOL!

I do interval jogging of 5 km almost per day though, it keeps me fit, but won't make me cum more than 4th time to 7th time easily though, why not use science when it is there! Nothing beat those and no side effect as long as you do not abuse it! I only take them when I am on FKK trip when things are beyond abnormal and I must do more than 4 rounds in matter of few hours or even more rounds depending on stunners available![/QUOTE]The best way for me to orgasm many times is to bang a beautiful working girl. When I am at home many times I have difficulty cumming with the average girls. At FKKs I have no problem ejaculating with the hot chicks. Sexy FKK girls are good for my libido, they are the best aphrodisiac.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2487782]5 km? So you really are the rocky balboa LOL! [/QUOTE]LOL, it is not that hard in the end. I do run 5 k without stopping and I feel so much better, even the escort I was with at the beginning of September noticed more stamina compared to pre-covid times! Yeah!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2487518]Their mindset is that they are beautiful, so all the men who see them should be on the knee chasing them, but what they failed to understand is the ability to see inside the latest modern technology for them called mirror LOL!

Plus some of us mongers standard got so high that we no longer find stunner easily, for me, finding stunner to go to room is the hardest part of the trip! I sometimes feel like a sharp shooter in FKK, just sitting for hours literally waiting for stunner to begin her shift! And I do sometimes sit for 3 or even 4 hours beginning at usually 5 pm depending on which club, but 5 pm is when I began my sniper like activity LOL!

It was easier to spot pre let say 2015![/QUOTE]And what would you do if that stunner finally does not come? Keep waiting and leave without session with any other girl?

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2488071]And what would you do if that stunner finally does not come? Keep waiting and leave without session with any other girl?[/QUOTE]Yes, it almost happened in nrw and it did in away happened, GT had no stunner, so I left getting this discount ticket to LR, then LR had no stunner and I left for Oceans to catch oceans 8 pm shift time when most girls comes in, and I waited till like 9 PM till I found stunner in Oceans!

I am very selective and I am not exaggerating when I say I wait hours! LOL.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2488019]LOL, it is not that hard in the end. I do run 5 k without stopping and I feel so much better, even the escort I was with at the beginning of September noticed more stamina compared to pre-covid times! Yeah![/QUOTE]I do about 3 to 5 km, but it is interval jogging, I run, I walk, well I walk most of times, but let me call it interval jogging to make it sound good alright LOL.

I do it every day though, even it is raining or even snowing, it is part of my daily routine to stay in shape, fit and healthy! I do believe too much exercise is actually bad for health too!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487990]The best way for me to orgasm many times is to bang a beautiful working girl. When I am at home many times I have difficulty cumming with the average girls. At FKKs I have no problem ejaculating with the hot chicks. Sexy FKK girls are good for my libido, they are the best aphrodisiac.[/QUOTE]For me I do more than 3 sessions in FKK when I find stunners, so from 4th session I need some help to stay hard, maybe I can do it if it is 4th session, but I do not want to risk my session, so I go for it! I like to enjoy to max in FKK without worrying LOL.

I do not do average girls anywhere, for me they have to be stunner, when I do not find Eurasian back home to fuck who is stunner level beauty, I stick to my masturbation hole and gel and my memories LOL! Or I do have my own porn with escort starring me or photo of FKK girls I took from sns pages LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488122]For me I do more than 3 sessions in FKK when I find stunners, so from 4th session I need some help to stay hard, maybe I can do it if it is 4th session, but I do not want to risk my session, so I go for it! I like to enjoy to max in FKK without worrying LOL.

I do not do average girls anywhere, for me they have to be stunner, when I do not find Eurasian back home to fuck who is stunner level beauty, I stick to my masturbation hole and gel and my memories LOL! Or I do have my own porn with escort starring me or photo of FKK girls I took from sns pages LOL![/QUOTE]When you say stunners, what you really mean is girls that you find attractive. I bet there are tons of other mongers that do not fancy the girls that you call stunners. Also, if I remember right, you do not live in EU and visit these clubs in extended journeys as man of us do and partake dozens of girls in a week, and at the same time you stick to a few clubs as I recall. There are many guys here who claim that even the largest clubs do not have more than a couple of 9's at best and most of the girls are 6's and 7's (I am more charitable and think a club like Sharks on a busy Friday night pre a Covid has at least 5 to 10 girls I would rate as 8 or better).

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2488071]And what would you do if that stunner finally does not come? Keep waiting and leave without session with any other girl?[/QUOTE]When I go for a target, my mind is not interested by other girls, even they can be beauty, and if problem about target, it will be very difficult for me to switch to another girl. If I see another real beauty, most of time, I will go to her but will only be able to speak with her and will tell her I will come back for her. Most of time, girls think: One more liar, but they are so surprised when I drive 500/600 kms to come as I said, and great welcome. Then, new target.

Some of us are privileged and enlighten enough to fuck so many beautiful stunner level girls! And there is world only people like us who fuck so many stunner beauties one after another can only see and experienced!

I have such a deep satisfaction, peace and fulfillment to achieve such a level and even though I still do feel excited when I am about to fuck new young stunner, I am so calm about it! And when I am not fucking, I have zero interest to chase after girls because I have gained access to them as I wish, which most men failed to realized they could have access, but still stuck themselves in sex prison!

Aren't we lucky and enlighten to find our own ways to the promise land!

I have fucked famous porn stars like Maria ozawa and rola takizawa etc. And sometimes, I stand in middle of big crowd in Tokyo and realize, wow 80 % of men walking here jerked off to girls I once used to fuck! This is such a fulfilled moment and I am glad I decided to go my own way!

Like franky would say: I did it my way!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2487759]LOL. We've got one guy bragging about skiing and climbing the Alps, and you're talking about C25 K?[/QUOTE]As everybody knows, if it's not on Strava then it didn't happen. I'll believe all the bragging when I see the KOMs.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488120]I do it every day though, even it is raining or even snowing, it is part of my daily routine to stay in shape, fit and healthy! I do believe too much exercise is actually bad for health too![/QUOTE]That is true, hard long endurance exercises decrease testosterone (and immune response too).

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2488158]When you say stunners, what you really mean is girls that you find attractive. I bet there are tons of other mongers that do not fancy the girls that you call stunners. Also, if I remember right, you do not live in EU and visit these clubs in extended journeys as man of us do and partake dozens of girls in a week, and at the same time you stick to a few clubs as I recall. There are many guys here who claim that even the largest clubs do not have more than a couple of 9's at best and most of the girls are 6's and 7's (I am more charitable and think a club like Sharks on a busy Friday night pre a Covid has at least 5 to 10 girls I would rate as 8 or better).[/QUOTE]Right, taste can have different standpoint, but I must say my definition of stunner is very typical straight out of vogue magazine model type beauty, and another can be most beautiful girl in university type of stunner, these are best way to describe it and I tend to like sportive fit body that are rather on thin side than thick side or slim girl, as for tit I do not mind big or small, but has to be beautifully shaped, no wrinkle and beautifully shaped nipple, and I like my pussies shaved, but never saw hair on pussy in FKK anyways! So I do like classic beauty that let say fashion magazine editor would love to put her on cover of the magazine! Kind of got what I mean? I tend to prefer white beauty, but I also do love exotic type stunner from Romania to satisfy my tanned cafe au lait skin beauty too!

However, now that you know I prefer classic stunner that are young straight out of fashion magazine, there are many occasions where I find stunner like that then when I was about to approach from the couch I have been sitting on for hours LOL! Then other monger get to near her first, so I am like no she is gone, then guess what? That monger go for the girl next to that stunner who is more older, fat, tattoos, silicone fake tit, plastic surgery ugly face girl and take that one to the room LOL! This happened so many time for me in FKK that I do not understand why! But I guess it is matter of taste! I stick to my definition of stunner LOL!

Sharks never worked for me as I mention before, if I had two stunners that I recall from that club, one is from moldova and natural blonde girl and wow she was stunner and dirty, very good service in room, I think this one was in 2017 and another one was long ago in 2014 or 2013, she was from Poland and she also was amazingly dirty in room and did everything as I wanted, but for such a big club with big line up, stunner is hard to find and somehow, I tend to prefer other mega clubs like Artemis or even oceans worked for me though oceans line up is smaller but clubs size is similar, somehow sharks never worked fully for me and I hate the distance of about 15 min I walk from the station! And taxi was never there! Etc so sharks I never returned.

Now I tend to prefer Artemis once again, palace, globe Zurich and I will give another shot at Oase if I get bore with palace line up as recently palace only gives me one stunner per night that last for usually two night! Before there were 2 or 3. So I may do what I do in nrw, goto gt which is day club to hunt, then end up in oceans at 8 pm to keep on hunting for stunner! Many complaint about oceans, but I find one stunner always so far, but most of girls there are like LR level, but I found one stunner there always.

I do miss Artemis and palace at their peak, they used to have 3 stunners minimum sometimes even 5 or more! I am glad that in those days I could do 7 rooms all with cum! Good younger days, but I got science world from 4th room if there are stunners LOL!!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2488256]That is true, hard long endurance exercises decrease testosterone (and immune response too).[/QUOTE]I am still trying to figure out if I work out if I get horny or not! When I do not work out for one week and I work out, the next day I get more hornier, but when I work out just twice per week, I am not sure if I am hornier, and if I do not work out for one week, I sometimes get even more hornier, so for me, it is difficult to work out how that works on my body, but seeing young stunner still excite me and that is enough for me to fuck hardcore LOL! But for me hornier means I am about to explode in my pant horny level for at least 3 or 4 cum, but for me that comes more rapidly, so it would be nice if I can control that more before FKK because 3rd or 4th consecutive FKK days straight, I am still up to go, but it get kind of normal with excitement being still there as I am one hentai monger to the core LOL! But I want more LOL! It is never enough young stunner pussies LOL!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2488256]That is true, hard long endurance exercises decrease testosterone (and immune response too).[/QUOTE]When you get older, have to be healthy and better to be fit of course, but if You are really sporty, then you get better in resistance for intense and even violent efforts. You can ask sport doctors, better to know a bit about medical and your body and health if you want to push a bit your limits, what I love, never climbing for free, I prefer to give up if performance is not good enough, like in Stelvio after 2 hours when only 30 mn to reach top, but was late about record, so not anymore interesting for me. I returned 1 month later, from Paris through Globe. But really no need Viagra to be hard if a elegant beauty like Sofia did, make dream my mind, then even older than 50, but with healthy cardiovascular, can be very hard and fuck for hours, best being to control with belly muscles, to stay on the edge and fuck as long as girl stamina. Maybe why some say: now I can't work after you. I remember Sofia going for diner on 23 August after our intense even only 45 mm time, at least she got appetite after orgasmus she reach quite fast.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488366]Right, taste can have different standpoint, but I must say my definition of stunner is very typical straight out of vogue magazine model type beauty, and another can be most beautiful girl in university type of stunner, these are best way to describe it and I tend to like sportive fit body that are rather on thin side than thick side or slim girl, as for tit I do not mind big or small, but has to be beautifully shaped, no wrinkle and beautifully shaped nipple, and I like my pussies shaved, but never saw hair on pussy in FKK anyways! So I do like classic beauty that let say fashion magazine editor would love to put her on cover of the magazine! Kind of got what I mean? I tend to prefer white beauty, but I also do love exotic type stunner from Romania to satisfy my tanned cafe au lait skin beauty too!

However, now that you know I prefer classic stunner that are young straight out of fashion magazine, there are many occasions where I find stunner like that then when I was about to approach from the couch I have been sitting on for hours LOL! Then other monger get to near her first, so I am like no she is gone, then guess what? That monger go for the girl next to that stunner who is more older, fat, tattoos, silicone fake tit, plastic surgery ugly face girl and take that one to the room LOL! This happened so many time for me in FKK that I do not understand why! But I guess it is matter of taste! I stick to my definition of stunner LOL!

Sharks never worked for me as I mention before, if I had two stunners that I recall from that club, one is from moldova and natural blonde girl and wow she was stunner and dirty, very good service in room, I think this one was in 2017 and another one was long ago in 2014 or 2013, she was from Poland and she also was amazingly dirty in room and did everything as I wanted, but for such a big club with big line up, stunner is hard to find and somehow, I tend to prefer other mega clubs like Artemis or even oceans worked for me though oceans line up is smaller but clubs size is similar, somehow sharks never worked fully for me and I hate the distance of about 15 min I walk from the station! And taxi was never there! Etc so sharks I never returned.[/QUOTE]Oh man! Sounds like you are my competition when there's a stunner on the floor LOL. Exactly the same reason that many times Sharks didn't work out for me, but it was too late to go somewhere else after waiting for a stunner to show up, so I just slept there (I can sleep pretty much anywhere anytime), and headed over to Globe Zurich at 4 am. Between Globe Zurich and Palace, I prefer Globe because of higher number of stunners, zero upsell, guaranteed service and more importantly almost every girl is down to full on public sex anywhere including the stage. Last time I was in Globe, had an awesome 3+ hours public session with Linda DE right across from the kino, such a great memory!

Is the Sharks stunner for you in 2017 name Diana, slim Moldovan if I remember correctly?

BTW, you may want to try to drive in Europe, much easier, cheaper and faster than public transit for FKK trips. Usually Expedia has sweet deals for 20-30 e per day with unlimited mileage, better deals if you book ahead and book for 3 days or more.

We born as men, so we might as well make good use of our time and opportunities while we are here and instead of stuck in one place, it is better to travel to different nations, discover different cultures, different delicacies / food and above all fuck many young beautiful girls from different nations with different ethnicity!

We might as well while we are here!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488366]Right, taste can have different standpoint, but I must say my definition of stunner is very typical straight out of vogue magazine model type beauty, and another can be most beautiful girl in university type of stunner, these are best way to describe it and I tend to like sportive fit body that are rather on thin side than thick side or slim girl, as for tit I do not mind big or small, but has to be beautifully shaped, no wrinkle and beautifully shaped nipple, and I like my pussies shaved, but never saw hair on pussy in FKK anyways! So I do like classic beauty that let say fashion magazine editor would love to put her on cover of the magazine! Kind of got what I mean? I tend to prefer white beauty, but I also do love exotic type stunner from Romania to satisfy my tanned cafe au lait skin beauty too!

However, now that you know I prefer classic stunner that are young straight out of fashion magazine, there are many occasions where I find stunner like that then when I was about to approach from the couch I have been sitting on for hours LOL! Then other monger get to near her first, so I am like no she is gone, then guess what? That monger go for the girl next to that stunner who is more older, fat, tattoos, silicone fake tit, plastic surgery ugly face girl and take that one to the room LOL! This happened so many time for me in FKK that I do not understand why! But I guess it is matter of taste! I stick to my definition of stunner LOL!

Sharks never worked for me as I mention before, if I had two stunners that I recall from that club, one is from moldova and natural blonde girl and wow she was stunner and dirty, very good service in room, I think this one was in 2017 and another one was long ago in 2014 or 2013, she was from Poland and she also was amazingly dirty in room and did everything as I wanted, but for such a big club with big line up, stunner is hard to find and somehow, I tend to prefer other mega clubs like Artemis or even oceans worked for me though oceans line up is smaller but clubs size is similar, somehow sharks never worked fully for me and I hate the distance of about 15 min I walk from the station! And taxi was never there! Etc so sharks I never returned.

Now I tend to prefer Artemis once again, palace, globe Zurich and I will give another shot at Oase if I get bore with palace line up as recently palace only gives me one stunner per night that last for usually two night! Before there were 2 or 3. So I may do what I do in nrw, goto gt which is day club to hunt, then end up in oceans at 8 pm to keep on hunting for stunner! Many complaint about oceans, but I find one stunner always so far, but most of girls there are like LR level, but I found one stunner there always.

I do miss Artemis and palace at their peak, they used to have 3 stunners minimum sometimes even 5 or more! I am glad that in those days I could do 7 rooms all with cum! Good younger days, but I got science world from 4th room if there are stunners LOL!![/QUOTE]Seeing women in magazines and in person are two different things. Never judge a woman's looks by how she looks in a magazine. There's a lot of retouching that is deceptive. Always judge looks by what you have seen in person. That being said my desire to make love to a woman is a mixture of looks and attitude. For me one of the hottest girls in Sharks was Esther before she enlarged her breasts and her lips. I found her hotter than Megan. However, when I had a choice I always went with Megan instead of Esther because Megan gave much better GFE. Most times I would choose an ordinary girl with a super attitude than a looker with poor behavior.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488233]I have fucked famous porn stars like Maria ozawa and rola takizawa etc.[/QUOTE]How much was Maria Ozawa and how was she service like?

Brothels in Rhineland-Palatinate are allowed to open from tomorrow (Oct. 1).

[URL]https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/bordelle-in-rp-oeffnen-wieder-100.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2488543]How much was Maria Ozawa and how was she service like?[/QUOTE]It was in 2008 at her peak of her beauty in her 20's!

She was in USD about 1500 USD per 70 min. I asked to pay a bit more to make it 90 min, but the agent refused that only 70 min is available, I guess for security reason because these guys did not know me!

Her service was fantastic, did all from rimjob on her / one me, DATY, DFK, did bareback fuck and CIM to last drop, she was good service provider and she was really genuinely good hearted person to the core, what surprised me was tattoos because she back then still covered her tattoo up in her movies, so I did not know she has few tattoo and those who claim she has fake tit online, it is fake news, her tits are natural and real!

She lives in Manila now and now she is bit thick body as she is in her mid 30's, so I am glad I fucked her when she was at her peak in her 20's and peak of her career! It was expensive, but it was worth every penny because it gives me memory forever! I love mongering in right way! It has been 12 years since 2008, but I still remember it like few weeks ago! And here I am still fucking all the young beauties from around world! FKK is more efficient in this though because here I must search and find stunner to my level only 3 to 5 stunners max per year, but in FKK, I usually find one stunner still everyday! And few stunner added each trip to my fucking stunner list! And my list will go on!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2488517]Seeing women in magazines and in person are two different things. Never judge a woman's looks by how she looks in a magazine. There's a lot of retouching that is deceptive. Always judge looks by what you have seen in person. That being said my desire to make love to a woman is a mixture of looks and attitude. For me one of the hottest girls in Sharks was Esther before she enlarged her breasts and her lips. I found her hotter than Megan. However, when I had a choice I always went with Megan instead of Esther because Megan gave much better GFE. Most times I would choose an ordinary girl with a super attitude than a looker with poor behavior.[/QUOTE]I know I dated models before and they increase the length of leg and neck etc, I know the industry well and many models begin their career in Paris, Milan and Tokyo actually and they tend to prefer Tokyo for better pay and much safer working environment! It was good old days, when I was still active and wasting a lot of money in normal dating scene LOL!

However, I do find good level girls in FKK that they could be in magazine when they begin in FKK without surgeries and tattoos etc, so I go for those, I was setting my definition of my definition of stunner! I got these kind of classic beauty taste!

For me, I do not care for GFE because I can make her to give me good service, I only care for looks in the beginning and it is up to me in room to convince her to do certain things I like doing like rimjob etc I tend to like hardcore deep passionate sex that squeeze all the beauty out of her LOL! When in brothel we must act like one LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2488482]Oh man! Sounds like you are my competition when there's a stunner on the floor LOL. Exactly the same reason that many times Sharks didn't work out for me, but it was too late to go somewhere else after waiting for a stunner to show up, so I just slept there (I can sleep pretty much anywhere anytime), and headed over to Globe Zurich at 4 am. Between Globe Zurich and Palace, I prefer Globe because of higher number of stunners, zero upsell, guaranteed service and more importantly almost every girl is down to full on public sex anywhere including the stage. Last time I was in Globe, had an awesome 3+ hours public session with Linda DE right across from the kino, such a great memory!

Is the Sharks stunner for you in 2017 name Diana, slim Moldovan if I remember correctly?

BTW, you may want to try to drive in Europe, much easier, cheaper and faster than public transit for FKK trips. Usually Expedia has sweet deals for 20-30 e per day with unlimited mileage, better deals if you book ahead and book for 3 days or more.[/QUOTE]Yeah, well as for competition, usually, I go for girls as their first shift guy for one hour then I do not go with that girl till next day, so no worry, I am not the type who keep girl for hours, max I have done in FKK is 2 hours, I do not like stay in room for more as when I am in room, there is limited talking, but more fucking, sucking, licking etc LOL!

Haha 3 hours public session wow LOL! I have taken one girl to hotel and it was whole night and morning, but 3 hours, I cannot do in FKK, I get bored LOL I tend to do 3 to now 5 before 6 or even 7 rooms per day, but now usually 3 rooms of one hour per day (one is sometimes 30 min for new girl to try out) due to may age and limitation of stunner, from 4th session I use Cialis now just in case!

Yeah I like non negotiation club as sometimes that is so annoying, I do not mind mild up sell, but what I want in FKK is all fixed price! Which many club do not have in Germany, but most of them are fair girls, but negotiation is annoying even though it is done under one minute! Globe is straight to room and DFK etc.

Maybe, if this Diana girl was blonde, slim, no tattoo I think or very little one somewhere, all natural body, fit sportive on thin side of body, very structured face and really good service in room and she was like around early 20 like most of girls are in shark which is the only thing I do like with shark age! She was stunner and she was from Moldova, so no lying there, she did not say Spain or Italy LOL!

I tend to not to remember girls names as it is not even real anyways, I remember Linda as I was in globe this year, but Diana maybe if the description I gave above is similar to yours?

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2488550]Brothels in Rhineland-Palatinate are allowed to open from tomorrow (Oct. 1).

[URL]https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/bordelle-in-rp-oeffnen-wieder-100.html[/URL][/QUOTE]It is hard time for FKK owners, but their maintenance fees are mostly in human resources and FKK do not hire that many people as girls are not their employees but customer, so cleaning staff, security, kitchen staff and bar and reception staffs, accountant, office staffs so about 15 to 30 staffs salaries depend on the size of FKK to maintain and the place is shut, so not much electric and gas fee and as for rent, it is whether if they own the land and building which I believe they do in most cases?

They have been shut for like 6 months now or?

It is odd that bars and discos are open in some nations, but brothels are closed! I got that sex can be most closes, but with this virus, talking in close range is enough to be infected!

It is not in nature of European not to socialize, so it will be difficult to contain this virus, during summer European people are all over European resort as if virus was cancelled LOL without masks too to spread around!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488691]Yeah, well as for competition, usually, I go for girls as their first shift guy for one hour then I do not go with that girl till next day, so no worry, I am not the type who keep girl for hours, max I have done in FKK is 2 hours, I do not like stay in room for more as when I am in room, there is limited talking, but more fucking, sucking, licking etc LOL!

Haha 3 hours public session wow LOL! I have taken one girl to hotel and it was whole night and morning, but 3 hours, I cannot do in FKK, I get bored LOL I tend to do 3 to now 5 before 6 or even 7 rooms per day, but now usually 3 rooms of one hour per day (one is sometimes 30 min for new girl to try out) due to may age and limitation of stunner, from 4th session I use Cialis now just in case!

Yeah I like non negotiation club as sometimes that is so annoying, I do not mind mild up sell, but what I want in FKK is all fixed price! Which many club do not have in Germany, but most of them are fair girls, but negotiation is annoying even though it is done under one minute! Globe is straight to room and DFK etc.

Maybe, if this Diana girl was blonde, slim, no tattoo I think or very little one somewhere, all natural body, fit sportive on thin side of body, very structured face and really good service in room and she was like around early 20 like most of girls are in shark which is the only thing I do like with shark age! She was stunner and she was from Moldova, so no lying there, she did not say Spain or Italy LOL!

I tend to not to remember girls names as it is not even real anyways, I remember Linda as I was in globe this year, but Diana maybe if the description I gave above is similar to yours?[/QUOTE]Yup that's the ex Diana in Sharks, used to hang out mostly on the couches left side below the fish tank (left of you when you are looking at the fish tank) in between sessions. Awesome fun girl, never said no to anything to me. Left Sharks about 2017-18 if I remember correctly. Sad.

Since yesterday, the list of risk areas (from a German perspective) is further expanded: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html[/URL].

So people from all of Belgium and almost all of France can no longer stay in German clubs anymore.

Strangely RP is slowly opening up for mongers: [URL]https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/bordelle-in-rp-oeffnen-wieder-100.html[/URL].

But appointment only and max 2 people in any (room (so no open bar or club as it seems).

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2481535]As far as I know only a couple of smut stocks have ever been listed on US exchanges. Playboy did trade for more than 30 years but eventually it too went private. It NEVER Once exceeded $300 M in revenue, and no not because of internet killing publications. Even before there was a thing called internet, playboy never exceeded $300 M revenue and its market cap never exceeded a few hundred million. When it was taken private, that was just above $100 M I think. New frontier media, which owned Ten network and also Owned Penthouse if I remember correctly, never exceeded $50 M revenue and was a small micro cap. It too is no longer listed.

In short, there is a real advantage to having more than one stock in a given space. Unless you have more than one FKK stock listed, the one single stock will languish even more.

Of late, SpAcs have become somewhat hot. A lot of EV stocks went public through spacs. But even a Spac is not a panacea for a FKK listing. The spac sponsor, after having raised the money and then disclosing he intends to purchase an FKK will have a revolt on his hand. There are clauses which enable investors to pull out and the spac sponsor's reputation is ruined.

My 2 cents.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/playboy-to-go-public-again-in-deal-with-blank-check-firm-11601550001?mod=hp_lead_pos11[/URL]

I mentioned Playboy and SPACs in a previous post, and this morning I see that Playboy is coming back to stock market again, through a SPAC in fact.

The following is from WSJ:

"Playboy is going public again after being acquired by a blank-check firm, a deal that valued the brand made famous by its iconic adult magazine at $415 million, the company said Thursday.

Playboy, which was taken private in 2011 by founder Hugh Hefner and private-equity firm Rizvi Traverse, will return to the public markets by merging with Mountain Crest Acquisition Corp. MCAC 0. 50%, a special acquisition company, or SPAC, set up earlier this year that trades on the Nasdaq exchange.

As part of the deal, Playboy will receive $58 million that Mountain Crest had raised, plus another $50 million in private investment in public equity, or PIPE, proceeds brought in from institutional investors."

So, there you have it. SPACs remain one way for FKKs to get listing. But then again, as in my previous comment, I don't think Playboy and fuck clubs have the same public perception. Playboy has been mainstream for more than 50 years. Still, this is one possibility.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2488786]Yup that's the ex Diana in Sharks, used to hang out mostly on the couches left side below the fish tank (left of you when you are looking at the fish tank) in between sessions. Awesome fun girl, never said no to anything to me. Left Sharks about 2017-18 if I remember correctly. Sad.[/QUOTE]OK, if it is the same girl, she was quite a stunner! I liked her! Lovely girl she was too! One of few stunner I found at sharks. Another one was polish long time ago! We do not even find polish girls anymore in most FKK! I miss polish blonde stunners! We need more new races soon to be added to FKK like Ukrainian! Join EU visa treaty! Schengen!

[QUOTE=Maxime;2488793]Since yesterday, the list of risk areas (from a German perspective) is further expanded: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html[/URL].

So people from all of Belgium and almost all of France can no longer stay in German clubs anymore.

Strangely RP is slowly opening up for mongers: [URL]https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/bordelle-in-rp-oeffnen-wieder-100.html[/URL].

But appointment only and max 2 people in any (room (so no open bar or club as it seems).[/QUOTE]The problem with my country is that I can enter Europe and Switzerland to monger since June or July without quarantine, But! When I come back to my own nation, my own nation will quarantine me in the place where they decide for two weeks among other a lot of uncomfortable conditions, which I think they do it on purpose, so less people will go! I am calm as I went to globe earlier on this year, but if I did not, virus would have prevented me from mongering in EU whole this year!

I will invest my lust on beautiful Eurasian stunner here for this year!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2488818][URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/playboy-to-go-public-again-in-deal-with-blank-check-firm-11601550001?mod=hp_lead_pos11[/URL]

I mentioned Playboy and SPACs in a previous post, and this morning I see that Playboy is coming back to stock market again, through a SPAC in fact.

The following is from WSJ:

"Playboy is going public again after being acquired by a blank-check firm, a deal that valued the brand made famous by its iconic adult magazine at $415 million, the company said Thursday.

Playboy, which was taken private in 2011 by founder Hugh Hefner and private-equity firm Rizvi Traverse, will return to the public markets by merging with Mountain Crest Acquisition Corp. MCAC 0. 50%, a special acquisition company, or SPAC, set up earlier this year that trades on the Nasdaq exchange.

As part of the deal, Playboy will receive $58 million that Mountain Crest had raised, plus another $50 million in private investment in public equity, or PIPE, proceeds brought in from institutional investors.".[/QUOTE]If such organization like penthouse or hustler or playboy invest in Germany etc to open their FKK, it can level up the line up and also image of FKK clubs!

Larryflynt is wild one, so he would have been perfect FKK investor / owner!

But maybe let German be FKK owner as they are doing very good job comparison to other brothels!

Dear all,

I have tried to summarize status of FKKs.

Biggest ones open now: Samya Cologne, Atmos Hamburg, Artemis Berlin.

FKK s in North Rhine Westfalia open.

Rhineland opening soon (or) just opened.

May I ask of which ones are with biggest line-ups at present? And which ones are but also diverse, I mean nationalities, race, Latinas, middle Eastern, MILFs? Thank you.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2488786]Yup that's the ex Diana in Sharks, used to hang out mostly on the couches left side below the fish tank (left of you when you are looking at the fish tank) .........[/QUOTE]Not many girls hang out there, its a little dark, the Lithuanian ladies Karina and Liana chill there in between their sessions.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2489052]Not many girls hang out there, its a little dark, the Lithuanian ladies Karina and Liana chill there in between their sessions.[/QUOTE]Not close to sauna but in couches on the left below fish. Slim with pear shape natural tits, but not wow face for Diana who is Romanian.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2489074]Not close to sauna but in couches on the left below fish. Slim with pear shape natural tits, but not wow face for Diana who is Romanian.[/QUOTE]A very lively Romanian gang used to hang out there. If Diana was very slim and had long blonde hair and wore stockings (red I think) then she got very angry with me when she first came to me and I was not ready for a room.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2489351]A very lively Romanian gang used to hang out there. If Diana was very slim and had long blonde hair and wore stockings (red I think) then she got very angry with me when she first came to me and I was not ready for a room.[/QUOTE]I have generally liked the girls who sit over there. Not sure if I have the right Diana in my mind; I do know I had a few blondes who used to sit in that area; or more than a few in fact. Generally, they were all a bit more experienced, provided reasonably good service, not too much drama. Someone mentioned Roxana, wasn't she also normally situated in that area? Of course it is a big area -- depends on whether we are talking about the couch directly underneath the fish tank, or that whole area slightly less well lit, or the couch facing stairs, or even around the bar near the stairs. But generally speaking, no complaints and I had a good time with all those girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2488992]If such organization like penthouse or hustler or playboy invest in Germany etc to open their FKK, it can level up the line up and also image of FKK clubs!

Larryflynt is wild one, so he would have been perfect FKK investor / owner!

But maybe let German be FKK owner as they are doing very good job comparison to other brothels![/QUOTE]Fair point. I think Hefner / Flint / Guccione and others could have run good clubs if they were born as Germans or had focused their energies on running German clubs (or their organizations could have; Hefner was a lousy businessman I think).

Yes, Germans are running the best clubs in their land compared to anywhere else but that does not mean they are the best managers of clubs. For all we know, there may be fantastically capable managers / organizers in US or Japan or other places but of course these fuck clubs are not allowed in these countries.

Because of Covid this is the longest period (7 months) since 2007 that I have not visited an FKK!! I can't visit yet but as soon as I can I will! I was listening to some music on on YT and Florian Salam was suggested so I played it and it brought back so many memories of my nights in FKKs!! How many others were introduced to Romanian music through FKKs?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489386]I have generally liked the girls who sit over there. Not sure if I have the right Diana in my mind; I do know I had a few blondes who used to sit in that area; or more than a few in fact. Generally, they were all a bit more experienced, provided reasonably good service, not too much drama. Someone mentioned Roxana, wasn't she also normally situated in that area? Of course it is a big area -- depends on whether we are talking about the couch directly underneath the fish tank, or that whole area slightly less well lit, or the couch facing stairs, or even around the bar near the stairs. But generally speaking, no complaints and I had a good time with all those girls.[/QUOTE]I think you meant sweet Roxy, who is doing very well even thru this Covid shit, used to hang around right below the fish tank in between sessions, right until Sharks closed this year.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2489351]A very lively Romanian gang used to hang out there. If Diana was very slim and had long blonde hair and wore stockings (red I think) then she got very angry with me when she first came to me and I was not ready for a room.[/QUOTE]Diana never wore stockings as far as I have seen her, and that's way too many times LOL. I think she likes to keep it simple about her naked looks. And haven't seen her angry ever with anyone. My guess you are thinking of someone else.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489390]Fair point. I think Hefner / Flint / Guccione and others could have run good clubs if they were born as Germans or had focused their energies on running German clubs (or their organizations could have; Hefner was a lousy businessman I think).

Yes, Germans are running the best clubs in their land compared to anywhere else but that does not mean they are the best managers of clubs. For all we know, there may be fantastically capable managers / organizers in US or Japan or other places but of course these fuck clubs are not allowed in these countries.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they could have done it with their sub company in Germany and as for image, Larry Flynt would not care being first penguin to jump in no matter how negative media / societal response he may get from opening a brothel business as his brand extension LOL!

Well I must say, German FKK owners did far better jobs than other brothel owners anywhere in the world, so big thumb up and appreciation for their great work! Always room for improvement, so I hope they will install Toyota level kaizen system to better their FKK clubs, line up, service, food and system in future to make best paradise for men as it already is!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2489419]Because of Covid this is the longest period (7 months) since 2007 that I have not visited an FKK!! I can't visit yet but as soon as I can I will! I was listening to some music on on YT and Florian Salam was suggested so I played it and it brought back so many memories of my nights in FKKs!! How many others were introduced to Romanian music through FKKs?[/QUOTE]Well, not music, but for me word Romania became prostitutes LOL.

It is a shame because I went to Romania as a tourist, went also skiing there, so I know it is a beautiful nation, but for me, now Romania = Prostitutes or I fucked many girls from that country LOL.

But can you blame me? LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489386]I have generally liked the girls who sit over there. Not sure if I have the right Diana in my mind; I do know I had a few blondes who used to sit in that area; or more than a few in fact. Generally, they were all a bit more experienced, provided reasonably good service, not too much drama. Someone mentioned Roxana, wasn't she also normally situated in that area? Of course it is a big area -- depends on whether we are talking about the couch directly underneath the fish tank, or that whole area slightly less well lit, or the couch facing stairs, or even around the bar near the stairs. But generally speaking, no complaints and I had a good time with all those girls.[/QUOTE]The girls who sat by the couch facing the stairs to the jacuzzi are a different gang. They are led by Carolina. Time is causing me to forget the names of her girls, I remember Jazz being one of them as the name is unusual. I like the couch behind that couch and many times they would look behind and invite me to a room and I would refuse. What would I not do now to session one of those girls?

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2489419]Because of Covid this is the longest period (7 months) since 2007 that I have not visited an FKK!! I can't visit yet but as soon as I can I will! I was listening to some music on on YT and Florian Salam was suggested so I played it and it brought back so many memories of my nights in FKKs!! How many others were introduced to Romanian music through FKKs?[/QUOTE]Saint Tropez (by Florin Salam) has 85 m views and Travesuras (by Nicky Jam) over 1 bn views on YT and I believe a few millions of them are from FKK overseas visitors, who feel nostalgic about the good old times! I look forward to listening that music in Sharks again!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2489419]Because of Covid this is the longest period (7 months) since 2007 that I have not visited an FKK!! I can't visit yet but as soon as I can I will! I was listening to some music on on YT and Florian Salam was suggested so I played it and it brought back so many memories of my nights in FKKs!! How many others were introduced to Romanian music through FKKs?[/QUOTE]So shit music for my ears. I try not to listen in brothels because killing my mood. Even at Globe now with Romanian gang and Balkanian night manager.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489386]I have generally liked the girls who sit over there. Not sure if I have the right Diana in my mind; I do know I had a few blondes who used to sit in that area; or more than a few in fact. Generally, they were all a bit more experienced, provided reasonably good service, not too much drama. Someone mentioned Roxana, wasn't she also normally situated in that area? Of course it is a big area -- depends on whether we are talking about the couch directly underneath the fish tank, or that whole area slightly less well lit, or the couch facing stairs, or even around the bar near the stairs. But generally speaking, no complaints and I had a good time with all those girls.[/QUOTE]Roxana who became silicon was in front of stairs to jacuzzi. Slim with very beautiful pear shape tits Diana was below fish.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2489617]The girls who sat by the couch facing the stairs to the jacuzzi are a different gang. They are led by Carolina. Time is causing me to forget the names of her girls, I remember Jazz being one of them as the name is unusual. I like the couch behind that couch and many times they would look behind and invite me to a room and I would refuse. What would I not do now to session one of those girls?[/QUOTE]Jazz is the girl who claims to have spent some time escorting in London if I am remembering the right one. Slightly sagging tits but cute face, pleasant smile. I have been in the room with her more than 5 times, probably closer to 10. She is cute and gives very good service. Another long time girl in that area is Jessica who got a boob job. Also gives excellent service. I am getting a bit lost between Roxana and Roxy as Gino said. Who is the blonde that used to hang out with Jessica and who also got a boob job? Been with her a few times but more with Jessica than her. Did a couple of threesomes with both and they were good although a slight waste of money.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489650]Jazz is the girl who claims to have spent some time escorting in London if I am remembering the right one. Slightly sagging tits but cute face, pleasant smile. I have been in the room with her more than 5 times, probably closer to 10. She is cute and gives very good service. Another long time girl in that area is Jessica who got a boob job. Also gives excellent service. I am getting a bit lost between Roxana and Roxy as Gino said. Who is the blonde that used to hang out with Jessica and who also got a boob job? Been with her a few times but more with Jessica than her. Did a couple of threesomes with both and they were good although a slight waste of money.[/QUOTE]Roxy is not blond a below fish. Roxana put silicon and lost business.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2489733]Roxy is not blond a below fish. Roxana put silicon and lost business.[/QUOTE]Roxy sits under the fish tank but is a curvy black haired gal.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2489753]Roxy sits under the fish tank but is a curvy black haired gal.[/QUOTE]Oh I wish I could meet her aigain.

[QUOTE=Mechelen;2489767]Oh I wish I could meet her aigain.[/QUOTE]Now you can if you really want.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489650]Jazz is the girl who claims to have spent some time escorting in London if I am remembering the right one. Slightly sagging tits but cute face, pleasant smile. I have been in the room with her more than 5 times, probably closer to 10. She is cute and gives very good service. Another long time girl in that area is Jessica who got a boob job. Also gives excellent service. I am getting a bit lost between Roxana and Roxy as Gino said. Who is the blonde that used to hang out with Jessica and who also got a boob job? Been with her a few times but more with Jessica than her. Did a couple of threesomes with both and they were good although a slight waste of money.[/QUOTE]It is incredible how you guys remember every girls names in FKK, especially siri LOL!

I more or less my regular girls, but that is about it!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2489650]Jazz is the girl who claims to have spent some time escorting in London if I am remembering the right one. Slightly sagging tits but cute face, pleasant smile. I have been in the room with her more than 5 times, probably closer to 10. She is cute and gives very good service. Another long time girl in that area is Jessica who got a boob job. Also gives excellent service. I am getting a bit lost between Roxana and Roxy as Gino said. Who is the blonde that used to hang out with Jessica and who also got a boob job? Been with her a few times but more with Jessica than her. Did a couple of threesomes with both and they were good although a slight waste of money.[/QUOTE]I was trying to remember her name; Jessica is very fit, has an interesting smile, is Carolina's very good friend and is a fixture on that couch area. She once did one of the very best pole dances I have ever seen. I went with both her and Carolina once but with Jazz many times as agreeing with what you say she gives very good service.

Except Atmos and Artemis I am not sure which clubs are currently opened?

Maybe we could make a sticky which ones are currently open and keep it updated when others close or even shut down?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mechelen;2489767]Oh I wish I could meet her aigain.[/QUOTE]Roxy works in Munich under the name Delia, she has blonde hair now. I saw her at the weekend.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487418]During summer I nap outside on the lounge chairs to the right when leaving the restaurant. Right side of the pool that is, to the back. During winter or when its cold outside I look specifically for either of those two loungers by the rails. Surprisingly they're available most of the time. Girls do approach you there though. Some will even awake you.[/QUOTE]Seems like we all liked the same loungers! Those were my 2nd favourite though I preferred the single lounger near the rail on the other side, the girls didn't like walking over that little river thing. The style of the lounger wasn't so good though, I used to turn it around so I could see people going up and down the stairs.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490034]Roxy works in Munich under the name Delia, she has blonde hair now. I saw her at the weekend.[/QUOTE]This one? The stats match but not the picture.

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-delia-9842065[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490040]This one? The stats match but not the picture.

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-delia-9842065[/URL][/QUOTE]Correct that is Roxy from Sharks. Tamara from Sharks is also working in Munich but calls herself Roxy.

Thanks guys. For me, it is impossible to go to München. I have to wait.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2490028]Except Atmos and Artemis I am not sure which clubs are currently opened?

Maybe we could make a sticky which ones are currently open and keep it updated when others close or even shut down?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Harmony south Hamburg, Paradise Sarrebrucken, Prestige close, many clubs in NRW, 6 ens NL close to Aachen. You have choice.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490043]Correct that is Roxy from Sharks. Tamara from Sharks is also working in Munich but calls herself Roxy.[/QUOTE]Thanks. This woman? She is unfamiliar to me but she could surely pass as a Sharks girl. Where did she usually sit?

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-roxy-9927138[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490300]Thanks. This woman? She is unfamiliar to me but she could surely pass as a Sharks girl. Where did she usually sit?

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-roxy-9927138[/URL][/QUOTE]She looks like a man with a wig LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490040]This one? The stats match but not the picture.

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-delia-9842065[/URL][/QUOTE]Horrible body!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2490142]Harmony south Hamburg, Paradise Sarrebrucken, Prestige close, many clubs in NRW, 6 ens NL close to Aachen. You have choice.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

Useful info.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490300]Thanks. This woman? She is unfamiliar to me but she could surely pass as a Sharks girl. Where did she usually sit?

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-roxy-9927138[/URL][/QUOTE]No, Tamara who is now Roxy in Munich is this girl.

[URL]https://m.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/escort/muenchen-roxy-9822309[/URL]

Tamara used to sit the under the fish tank near the stairs going up to the whirlpools, she was often with Lori who is also in Munich but has kept her Sharks name.

[URL]https://m.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/escort/muenchen-lori-9841923[/URL]

Those kind of girls are really the one I never session, why spending my time and money for such average girls. Possible to date in real life without paying.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490371]No, Tamara who is now Roxy in Munich is this girl.

[URL]https://m.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/escort/muenchen-roxy-9822309[/URL]

Tamara used to sit the under the fish tank near the stairs going up to the whirlpools, she was often with Lori who is also in Munich but has kept her Sharks name.

[URL]https://m.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/escort/muenchen-lori-9841923[/URL][/QUOTE]

Thanks. Still not familiar-looking though. But oh Lori! Thanks for noting. I liked her. Do you know where Betty is?

I'm surprised all these girls are showing faces.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490416]Thanks. Still not familiar-looking though. But oh Lori! Thanks for noting. I liked her. Do you know where Betty is?

I'm surprised all these girls are showing faces.[/QUOTE]No, sorry, don't remember a Betty from Sharks, quite a few girls are in Munich so you could always check the adverts. Yeah, I'm surprised as well they don't make any effort to hide their faces.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2489895]It is incredible how you guys remember every girls names in FKK, especially siri LOL! I more or less my regular girls, but that is about it![/QUOTE]I remember the well-known blonde Latvian who used to work Sharks, but did not recall her name. Spoke to her once (she was giving me the stare), but I did not session. I wanted anal, but she was concerned that my "Willy", as she put it, might be too big for her. So didn't happen. Too bad. I did find her to be attractive. MILF body and all. But she did a nice thing for me. She pointed out a Romanian girl who she thought did anal. And she did too! Was the only session I have ever had at Sharks! That's right. Although I have been to Sharks many, many times it just never seems to work for me as a club in terms of finding girls I want to session with. Came close a few other times, but never pulled the trigger. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490416]Thanks. Still not familiar-looking though. But oh Lori! Thanks for noting. I liked her. Do you know where Betty is?

I'm surprised all these girls are showing faces.[/QUOTE]Betty still in Romania, I asked her via watsup last Friday.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2490439]Betty still in Romania, I asked her via watsup last Friday.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I hope she's well.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490425]No, sorry, don't remember a Betty from Sharks, quite a few girls are in Munich so you could always check the adverts. Yeah, I'm surprised as well they don't make any effort to hide their faces.[/QUOTE]If I am remembering her correctly, Betty is another fish tank girl. Short, slim, pretty. Changes hair color, was blonde last year. Typically hunts easy Asian prey as many girls do but I have been with her a few times and no complaints. Not a standout by any means however.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490425]No, sorry, don't remember a Betty from Sharks, quite a few girls are in Munich so you could always check the adverts. Yeah, I'm surprised as well they don't make any effort to hide their faces.[/QUOTE]Well, no face in advertisement, no business in Germany. German customers aren't dummies (or desperate) like rest of us. One of the many reasons the FKK system works better there. I learned a lot from reading their very specific reviews.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2490452]Well, no face in advertisement, no business in Germany. German customers aren't dummies (or desperate) like rest of us. One of the many reasons the FKK system works better there. I learned a lot from reading their very specific reviews.[/QUOTE]Yes In Germany if you hide the face you're not going to get any calls.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490446]Thanks. I hope she's well.[/QUOTE]How much she Is old?

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490371]No, Tamara who is now Roxy in Munich is this girl.

[URL]https://m.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/escort/muenchen-roxy-9822309[/URL]

Tamara used to sit the under the fish tank near the stairs going up to the whirlpools, she was often with Lori who is also in Munich but has kept her Sharks name.

[URL]https://m.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/escort/muenchen-lori-9841923[/URL][/QUOTE]I met a wow aura on evening heels, very long black hair with blue eyes, full natural Tamara. Ro on June 2018 at Sharks, but she stayed only 2 weeks, but real wow on 3 times I met her. I drive for this level of girls.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490447]If I am remembering her correctly, Betty is another fish tank girl. Short, slim, pretty. Changes hair color, was blonde last year. Typically hunts easy Asian prey as many girls do but I have been with her a few times and no complaints. Not a standout by any means however.[/QUOTE]I like the fact that she's always been cheery to me despite being a hustler. Not all business. Sometimes they let their girlish sides out, I find that charming in light of the fact they're doing a woman's job.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2490452]Well, no face in advertisement, no business in Germany. German customers aren't dummies (or desperate) like rest of us. One of the many reasons the FKK system works better there. I learned a lot from reading their very specific reviews.[/QUOTE]True, I guess because there's less stigma (or at least since it's not illegal) there are fewer pitfalls to showing one's face.

Besides, a lot of these girls look so different under the makeup anyway they can claim plausible deniability!

Are any others of my favorites out there? Among the other small Romanians ... Emma? Sidonia? Amalia? Alif? Brenda? Madalena? Paloma?

It seems like mostly Sharks girls that have gone the escort route. Has anyone heard of any from Oase or Palace or Mainhattan?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490447]If I am remembering her correctly, Betty is another fish tank girl. Short, slim, pretty. Changes hair color, was blonde last year. Typically hunts easy Asian prey as many girls do but I have been with her a few times and no complaints. Not a standout by any means however.[/QUOTE]Yo Pessimist,

"Typically hunts easy Asian prey". Haven't been to an FKK yet, but what does this mean? Does it make it harder to get a girl's attention due to their focus on the indians and asians? And why do they focus on the asian dudes so much? I would assume that everyone in the FKK has money to spend. Just wondering about the system and accumulating knowledge before hitting up an FKK when the world opens up for us again.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2490452]Well, no face in advertisement, no business in Germany. German customers aren't dummies (or desperate) like rest of us. One of the many reasons the FKK system works better there. I learned a lot from reading their very specific reviews.[/QUOTE]Do they let you take pics and vids in rooms? I never tried and I hear stories of some guys who do. I was of the opinion Romie girls did not want to be taped or show their faces in ads, not because there is stigma or not in DE but because they did not want their families to somehow see that photo.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2490496]Yo Pessimist,

"Typically hunts easy Asian prey". Haven't been to an FKK yet, but what does this mean? Does it make it harder to get a girl's attention due to their focus on the indians and asians? And why do they focus on the asian dudes so much? I would assume that everyone in the FKK has money to spend. Just wondering about the system and accumulating knowledge before hitting up an FKK when the world opens up for us again.[/QUOTE]Sorry, this is a sensitive topic. Some guys get offended by my description. But generally, Asians are considered easy money in FKKs. They are nicer, don't haggle much, finish quicker, don't bother to find out accurate prices, have a hard time saying no, easily accept up-sell from girls, take extras like anal / CIM / lesbi show / etc and generally pay more than shall we say German locals who have the exact opposite reputation.

Now, there are obviously easy Germans and tough Japanese but that is the reputation. Whether there is any truth to it or not; which matters not one bit to me because I am not Asian, it seems that the girls believe it. So, their eyes light up when a new Asian face walks in -- like a kid's face when they see Santa.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2490431]I remember the well-known blonde Latvian who used to work Sharks, but did not recall her name.[/QUOTE]The blonde Latvian was Marina. The other Latvian, with the huge bums, whom I had not tried was I think called Anjelika.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490040]This one? The stats match but not the picture.

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-delia-9842065[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for the pictures. I do miss Roxi. Pictures 1 and 2 look correct. Pictures 3, 4, and 5 are probably not her as the boobs look different and the tummy is too slim, unless she has lost weight and toned herself up.

On the other hand, Lori seems to have put on some weight.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2490503]The blonde Latvian was Marina. The other Latvian, with the huge bums, whom I had not tried was I think called Anjelika.[/QUOTE]Anjelika is not a small woman, and has some big hips to boot, so I find it hard to believe that anyone would be too big for her.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2490507]Thank you for the pictures. I do miss Roxi. Pictures 1 and 2 look correct. Pictures 3, 4, and 5 are probably not her as the boobs look different and the tummy is too slim, unless she has lost weight and toned herself up.

On the other hand, Lori seems to have put on some weight.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. You seem to be a connoisseur. I only remember her with the black hair, pulled back in a bun, so these pics look foreign to me.

Lori was never a gym bunny, but yes, one of the things that really appealed to me was her youth, and she seems to be maturing. (I'm sounding like Epstein, I know!)

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2490496]Yo Pessimist,

"Typically hunts easy Asian prey". Haven't been to an FKK yet, but what does this mean? Does it make it harder to get a girl's attention due to their focus on the indians and asians? And why do they focus on the asian dudes so much? I would assume that everyone in the FKK has money to spend. Just wondering about the system and accumulating knowledge before hitting up an FKK when the world opens up for us again.[/QUOTE]Asians have a reputation for being less demanding customers than the locals because of less aggressive dispositions and because they've shelled out the money to come from so far, they have more money to spend. A European girl is a rare and coveted experience for Asians. For locals, European girls are who they've been surrounded by for all their lives. Some working girls focus on (East) Asians for this reason. I don't think Indians have the same reputation.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2490431]I remember the well-known blonde Latvian who used to work Sharks, but did not recall her name. Spoke to her once (she was giving me the stare), but I did not session. I wanted anal, but she was concerned that my "Willy", as she put it, might be too big for her. So didn't happen. Too bad. I did find her to be attractive. MILF body and all. But she did a nice thing for me. She pointed out a Romanian girl who she thought did anal. And she did too! Was the only session I have ever had at Sharks! That's right. Although I have been to Sharks many, many times it just never seems to work for me as a club in terms of finding girls I want to session with. Came close a few other times, but never pulled the trigger. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I tend to remember the real name if she tells me, but FKK names I often do not bother to remember unless I repeat few times! I remember each details of the session and her each part of the body though, that's what I pay for LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490516]Asians have a reputation for being less demanding customers than the locals because of less aggressive dispositions and because they've shelled out the money to come from so far, they have more money to spend. A European girl is a rare and coveted experience for Asians. For locals, European girls are who they've been surrounded by for all their lives. Some working girls focus on (East) Asians for this reason. I don't think Indians have the same reputation.[/QUOTE]In a way, FKK is most racial environment one can seek for, at least one of from stand point of racial profiling! I was brought up both in europe and Japan, so I got both persona, I am polite and well mannered, but I do point out what I want very directly, and willing to pay justifiable upsell, but if service is not delivered as I wanted and agreed on by both parties, then I am relentless on not paying the upsell amount, I just pay for the time I spent in room, but this only happened to me once in 10 years of my FKK experience, so even though girl try to racially profile you at the beginning and also by looking at watches or jewelry I wear, they at least the stunner I go to who are also fashion conscious and rather skilled in seek out what is each client is made of, they quickly treat me very nicely, so I must say even though FKK is most racial profiling place as girls do want to maximize their income, it is also very fair place as long as you have your own ground solidified.

Most dangerous clients both for them and girls are love birds in FKK because they think all the sweet things girls tell you are real and think he is special client, then when things do not work out, he get aggressive etc or he keep on investing in girls believing in her bullshit which actually are sales talk of prostitutes in place called FKK, which is brothel!

Some FKK girls are very mesmerizing and give you sexual memory that one could never forget, it is important to realize it is all beautiful illusions that we bought! Sure, there are friendship with some of the regulars, but it is friendship with respected borders on both side and with expiry dare of x amount of time!

Some monger seeks for some friendship or relationship in FKK and those guys are most prey and it is dangerous both for him and working girls in FKK! As you know some unfortunate incidents occur before where monger murdering FKK girls or guy is losing financially as well as his family etc!

FKK should be simple format for me, girls try to maximize their income through their sex trade, I try to maximize my sexual experiences and so far it is serving me not just well, but served me best! I love FKK! But well, I love escort too LOL!

RIP Eddie Van Halen, the greatest guitarist of all time. Condolences to all his fans and to our Dutch friends.

EL: that it s why I never speak with girls outside the room, I got many times anal from girls even you don't think about just you have to spend several sessions with them, several hours, being respectful, make them feel relax with you. Even many girls are saying I am "anaconda", obviously some girls can t accept all the size but at least they tried.

EL: all is link with the level of income and education, with the top of all that the religion. When you have good education, a well paid job mostly you are able to control your life, you find your place in the society and you are able to be intelligent enough to put the things on the place where they should be. If not you are mostly under influence of religion. If you look about the poorest countries in the world you many times find the same prevalent religion which is in fact a political system willing to control all the aspect of the life.

So, since most FKK are still closed, especially in Hesse Big Five, let's go back down memory line and try to write who the most memorable FKK girl of them all was. If we all give a few names, max 3, I'm sure there will be names that are in everyone's list or repeated enough to produce a list of the best of the best.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490497]Do they let you take pics and vids in rooms? I never tried and I hear stories of some guys who do. I was of the opinion Romie girls did not want to be taped or show their faces in ads, not because there is stigma or not in DE but because they did not want their families to somehow see that photo.[/QUOTE]Not every girl likes or allows but some loves it, probably after they feel they can trust the guy. I have thousands of pics and vids from FKK rooms but not one shared with anyone but only the girl involved. Some of the best vids are when the girl was also the camerawoman while being fucked. Remember, most of the girls in general, including WGs, loves posing for camera, as my one GF used to say "we girls are all attention working girls" LOL.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490493]True, I guess because there's less stigma (or at least since it's not illegal) there are fewer pitfalls to showing one's face.

Besides, a lot of these girls look so different under the makeup anyway they can claim plausible deniability!

Are any others of my favorites out there? Among the other small Romanians ... Emma? Sidonia? Amalia? Alif? Brenda? Madalena? Paloma?

It seems like mostly Sharks girls that have gone the escort route. Has anyone heard of any from Oase or Palace or Mainhattan?[/QUOTE]Check ladies. De, you will find many Sharks, Oase, Palace girls. Some good ones moved to Swiss clubs.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2490034]Roxy works in Munich under the name Delia, she has blonde hair now. I saw her at the weekend.[/QUOTE]Correct.

Roxy just requested me to share her number with any guy who wants to see her as a customer. I'm not sure if that's allowed by the forum rules, nor do I want to look like her pimp. I'm just a friend, but I do wish her and all these girls well. She's a sweetheart IME.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2490300]Thanks. This woman? She is unfamiliar to me but she could surely pass as a Sharks girl. Where did she usually sit?

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/muenchen-roxy-9927138[/URL][/QUOTE]I noticed that Ladies. De has number of Eastern European girls from Romania and elsewhere advertising themselves (By Type) as from Western or Central Europe.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490575]RIP Eddie Van Halen, the greatest guitarist of all time. Condolences to all his fans and to our Dutch friends.[/QUOTE]At least a real musician, wasn't he Californian? But not Romanian shit DJ music, even not the greatest for me, compare to Hendrix, god Clapton, Paige and I prefer Steve Lukather.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2490654]So, since most FKK are still closed, especially in Hesse Big Five, let's go back down memory line and try to write who the most memorable FKK girl of them all was. If we all give a few names, max 3, I'm sure there will be names that are in everyone's list or repeated enough to produce a list of the best of the best.[/QUOTE]1 Katalina. Ro with only 1 room for 2 hours and 2 rounds on 16 April 2016 at Sharks, I followed at Globe. I went to Globe for her.

Also Isabella. Ro, Madi. Ro at World, Isabella discovered at Sharks on February 2014 . Wow Anna. Pol at World on June 2014 , wow Tamara. Ro on June 2018 at Sharks, she stayed less than 2 weeks and stopped her day after only our room after breakfast together, Sara / Francesca / Megan. Ro. Natural beauty Alina. Ro at Bahama. Sabina. Ro Scarlet Johanson. Latvian Ina at Oase. Wow Ela. Ro at Oase.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2490452]Well, no face in advertisement, no business in Germany. German customers aren't dummies (or desperate) like rest of us. One of the many reasons the FKK system works better there. I learned a lot from reading their very specific reviews.[/QUOTE]I suspect many local Germans do not want to risk being seen at a FKK, so the luxuries of the FKK system are not available to them. These men simply accept that the shortcomings of the escort / kaufmich scene (no face photos, blurred face photos, fake photos, old photos). I took many WGs with blurred photos between 2009-2014. And when I was with them, their phones rang non-stop. I often found myself sitting in a car or coffee shop, because they often double-booked themselves. However, I will say that I only took WGs who had at least 2-3 positive reviews. So perhaps these positive reviews were what gave other mongers the confidence to book, despite the blurred photos? I can only speculate. What I can tell you is that these blurred face WGs were definitely in high demand!

The face is only secondary for me (unlike most mongers here). If I find the body truly appealing (which is rare), then I do not care about the face. So whenever I came across an advertisement of a WG with a body that I was attracted to, I would read her reviews. I only looked at what others were saying with regards to weight gain or photoshopping. If they said something along the lines of "photos are ten years old, face appears older in person, but tits and body have held up well", I still booked with confidence! By my eyes the hottest WG I ever fucked was (Natalie Ukraine ex-Palace). She "retired" in 2013 and I lost track of her. About a year later, I saw ads of a late-20's Ukrainian, face blurred with a body I had only seen once before. She had already accumulated 5-10 reviews but nobody had yet connected the dots, "Olga is ex-Palace Natalie". I booked, but did not ask her work history. When I arrived her incall, and she opened the door, we both instantly recognized each other.

There are German girls that work in FKK clubs, even if it's rare.

I met many escorts in Germany, never read any review, I don't care about what others are reporting I am old enough to make my own opinion.

Yes they are some German girls but each time I went with one, (I am half German) I was always shocked by their way of speaking, by how those girls are marginal, how most of them have some mental issues, in fact I stopped going with them because I prefer to keep a kind of illusion by speaking English with Rumanian girls. You can meet some real German student but not for 200 per hour, only trough VIP escort agency, those girls are not on kaufmich, or ladies de and also you need to know very well the agency so they recommend you to a new girl, a serious agency will never organize a first meeting for a girl with a customer they don t know.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2490654]So, since most FKK are still closed, especially in Hesse Big Five, let's go back down memory line and try to write who the most memorable FKK girl of them all was. If we all give a few names, max 3, I'm sure there will be names that are in everyone's list or repeated enough to produce a list of the best of the best.[/QUOTE]Mandy from Sharks (German).

Pretty, sweet, excellent service, reasonable price and a lovely small heart tattoo on her ass!!

Kylie from Palace (German).

As above but taller and sexy look, excellent service, was kinda snob to many people, not to me, I think she retired.

The only names I remember.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2490854]There are German girls that work in FKK clubs, even if it's rare.[/QUOTE]Not so rare, even Romanians make the number. Sometimes 6/7 German WGs at Globe, the only club where now I prefer German girls than Romanians, and on this Summer I found a Bremen elegant beauty, with a real wow room on last week end, we improved. Used to have some Germans at GT, and German tables at Sharks and Palace FRA, I think also Germans at Artemis. Also at Atmos Hamburg.

Brothels in Baden-Wrttemberg are allowed to reopen on next Monday.

https://nuernberger-blatt.de/2020/10/gericht-bordelle-in-baden-wuerttemberg-duerfen-ab-montag-wieder-oeffnen

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2490954]Brothels in Baden-Wrttemberg are allowed to reopen on next Monday.

https://nuernberger-blatt.de/2020/10/gericht-bordelle-in-baden-wuerttemberg-duerfen-ab-montag-wieder-oeffnen[/QUOTE]When corona infection rate was low during summer, the authority make brothels closed, but once summer is over and corona infection rates are begin to rise rapidly in Europe, authority decided to let many brothels to open, very rational LOL!

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2490854]There are German girls that work in FKK clubs, even if it's rare.[/QUOTE]Then that would make me rare prostitute hunter LOL!

Aryan hole brotherhood LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2490813]I suspect many local Germans do not want to risk being seen at a FKK, so the luxuries of the FKK system are not available to them. These men simply accept that the shortcomings of the escort / kaufmich scene (no face photos, blurred face photos, fake photos, old photos). I took many WGs with blurred photos between 2009-2014. And when I was with them, their phones rang non-stop. I often found myself sitting in a car or coffee shop, because they often double-booked themselves. However, I will say that I only took WGs who had at least 2-3 positive reviews. So perhaps these positive reviews were what gave other mongers the confidence to book, despite the blurred photos? I can only speculate. What I can tell you is that these blurred face WGs were definitely in high demand!

The face is only secondary for me (unlike most mongers here). If I find the body truly appealing (which is rare), then I do not care about the face. So whenever I came across an advertisement of a WG with a body that I was attracted to, I would read her reviews. I only looked at what others were saying with regards to weight gain or photoshopping. If they said something along the lines of "photos are ten years old, face appears older in person, but tits and body have held up well", I still booked with confidence! By my eyes the hottest WG I ever fucked was (Natalie Ukraine ex-Palace). She "retired" in 2013 and I lost track of her. About a year later, I saw ads of a late-20's Ukrainian, face blurred with a body I had only seen once before. She had already accumulated 5-10 reviews but nobody had yet connected the dots, "Olga is ex-Palace Natalie". I booked, but did not ask her work history. When I arrived her incall, and she opened the door, we both instantly recognized each other.[/QUOTE]I have seen some mongers wearing baseball cap or sunglasses in the club, which actually make them stand out even more LOL!

I guess they do not want to be part of Aryan hole brotherhood LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2490575]RIP Eddie Van Halen, the greatest guitarist of all time. Condolences to all his fans and to our Dutch friends.[/QUOTE]I partied harty to his music back in the day. Jump is one of my all time favorites. However, I rate Jimi Hendrix and Terry Kath as better guitarists than him.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2491033]I partied harty to his music back in the day. Jump is one of my all time favorites. However, I rate Jimi Hendrix and Terry Kath as better guitarists than him.[/QUOTE]Hendrix is the absolute best ever. No question. Some of the stuff that would come out of his guitar. Just unbelievable. Unfathomable! I mean, where does that come from LOL? Was some strong psychodelics LOL!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2490654]So, since most FKK are still closed, especially in Hesse Big Five, let's go back down memory line and try to write who the most memorable FKK girl of them all was. If we all give a few names, max 3, I'm sure there will be names that are in everyone's list or repeated enough to produce a list of the best of the best.[/QUOTE]I'm naming memorable only in terms of looks, I would rate pre-augmented Esther at Sharks as right up there.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2490654]So, since most FKK are still closed, especially in Hesse Big Five, let's go back down memory line and try to write who the most memorable FKK girl of them all was. If we all give a few names, max 3, I'm sure there will be names that are in everyone's list or repeated enough to produce a list of the best of the best.[/QUOTE]Well for me it must be: Lena. De (Sharks; such a lovely girl and person); Janine. De (Sharks; still dreaming about her tits) and Nastya. Ro (Sharks, amazing boobs and model look). However it is always difficult to compare, as The Cane once said (I think!) there is always a right girl for each time of your life. Or something like that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2491033]I partied harty to his music back in the day. Jump is one of my all time favorites. However, I rate Jimi Hendrix and Terry Kath as better guitarists than him.[/QUOTE]Yes, Jump was a bit before my puberty but I still loved it after I became old enough. More for David Lee Roth antics though LOL. Agree, Hendrix is rated by many to be the greatest as you and Sirioja said, Clapton, Page, Chuck Berry, BB King, Johnny Ramone, David Gilmour, even Slash and Keith Richards were all great in my book.

Thought best to let everyone know.

I will not ask for any hands to see if anyone was notified that the clubs were opening, I know I wasn't.

Though it seems to have been kept quite the clubs in NRW are open now; I know these are all open.

Bernds (FKK Schieferhof).

Dolce Vita.

Luderland.

Samya.

And tomorrow is Friday.

Plan your trips, and spread the good word let Social Media shine a light on the re-opening of the clubs.

Looks like GoldenTime is still closed.

Feel free to update the list with others.

Good to hear that Baden-Wrttemberg area opens soon.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2490954]Brothels in Baden-Wrttemberg are allowed to reopen on next Monday.

https://nuernberger-blatt.de/2020/10/gericht-bordelle-in-baden-wuerttemberg-duerfen-ab-montag-wieder-oeffnen[/QUOTE]Indeed, FKK Sakura will re-open next week!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2491034]Hendrix is the absolute best ever. No question. Some of the stuff that would come out of his guitar. Just unbelievable. Unfathomable! I mean, where does that come from LOL? Was some strong psychodelics LOL![/QUOTE]Hendrix playing UK and US anthems. Slash, Keith Richards and Ramone can't be compared, only Clapton was named god in business, Jeff Beck and Satriani are high for technique.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2490654]So, since most FKK are still closed, especially in Hesse Big Five, let's go back down memory line and try to write who the most memorable FKK girl of them all was. If we all give a few names, max 3, I'm sure there will be names that are in everyone's list or repeated enough to produce a list of the best of the best.[/QUOTE]So what's the big 5 (Oase, Sharks, Palace) and what?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2491041]Well for me it must be: Lena. De (Sharks; such a lovely girl and person); Janine. De (Sharks; still dreaming about her tits) and Nastya. Ro (Sharks, amazing boobs and model look). However it is always difficult to compare, as The Cane once said (I think!) there is always a right girl for each time of your life. Or something like that.[/QUOTE]Was Janine the skinny blonde German girl from Stuttgart? She gave very good service indeed.

My experience with German girls in most of the clubs was always positive. More or less.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2491137]So what's the big 5 (Oase, Sharks, Palace) and what?[/QUOTE]Mainhattan and World.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2490928]Mandy from Sharks (German).

Pretty, sweet, excellent service, reasonable price and a lovely small heart tattoo on her ass!!

Kylie from Palace (German).

As above but taller and sexy look, excellent service, was kinda snob to many people, not to me, I think she retired.

The only names I remember.[/QUOTE]These are among my faves too! What happened to Mandy?

Kylie a snob? That's very odd to hear. I thought she was really personable.

Mandy quit the business last year.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2491041]Well for me it must be: Lena. De (Sharks; such a lovely girl and person); Janine. De (Sharks; still dreaming about her tits) and Nastya. Ro (Sharks, amazing boobs and model look). However it is always difficult to compare, as The Cane once said (I think!) there is always a right girl for each time of your life. Or something like that.[/QUOTE]Good choice.

Unfortunately Lena was taken in all the time on the sofa by the Germans before going to room and Janinne was well locked up by her fans on a sofa next to the entrance. Nastya was more affordable even though she was in high demand. She is not just model look, she was a model before Sharks and became a model again after Sharks.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2491187]These are among my faves too! What happened to Mandy?

Kylie a snob? That's very odd to hear. I thought she was really personable.[/QUOTE]Kylie was one of the nicest and good hearted girl I came across in FKK, I have positive opinion about her and her service too! She will be missed!

Mandy was living in Stuttgart at that time and always drove to Shark, had 1 time a 3 hours session with her, very clean girl but her way to speak German was not ok for me and also I had little chemistry with her. After each time I met her again in Shark she always tried hard to go again with me. May be she is doing some escort in Stuttgart or find a sugar daddy.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2491187]These are among my faves too! What happened to Mandy?

Kylie a snob? That's very odd to hear. I thought she was really personable.[/QUOTE]Kylie was sometimes snob and arrogant to some customers or I should better say harsh. This is what some guys in palace told me but she was always nice to me.

A true German top model.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2491176]Was Janine the skinny blonde German girl from Stuttgart? She gave very good service indeed.

My experience with German girls in most of the clubs was always positive. More or less.[/QUOTE]No, small Mandy. Also Bavarian Sandra, wow in bed. Janine sold I think shoes, around Sharks.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2491065]Yes, Jump was a bit before my puberty but I still loved it after I became old enough. More for David Lee Roth antics though LOL. Agree, Hendrix is rated by many to be the greatest as you and Sirioja said, Clapton, Page, Chuck Berry, BB King, Johnny Ramone, David Gilmour, even Slash and Keith Richards were all great in my book.[/QUOTE]My mistake for Slash, not being great fan of Guns Roses, except sweet child of mine and November rain, but great guitarist, playing US anthem. For very different technique, Mark Knophler Dire Straits.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2491135]Hendrix playing UK and US anthems. Slash, Keith Richards and Ramone can't be compared, only Clapton was named god in business, Jeff Beck and Satriani are high for technique.[/QUOTE]There are many good guitar players, you cannot leave out buckethead, DJ ashba, and also Richie Sambora etc.

I am not sure which one is my favorite out of all the ones mentioned in this forum, but I do like Eric Clapton too!

I do not play guitar, but I am better guitar player than any of these guitar players mentioned when it come to playing with stunners pussies LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2491041]Well for me it must be: Lena. De (Sharks; such a lovely girl and person); Janine. De (Sharks; still dreaming about her tits) and Nastya. Ro (Sharks, amazing boobs and model look). However it is always difficult to compare, as The Cane once said (I think!) there is always a right girl for each time of your life. Or something like that.[/QUOTE]Lena from Cologne was one of my all time Sharks favorites. I first did her in 2016 with many enjoyable sessions. However, I did not see her in 2017,2018 and 2019. I saw her earlier this year and did not recognize her at first. Oh, how far the great had fallen! I did one session for old times sake.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2491324]Lena from Cologne was one of my all time Sharks favorites. I first did her in 2016 with many enjoyable sessions. However, I did not see her in 2017,2018 and 2019. I saw her earlier this year and did not recognize her at first. Oh, how far the great had fallen! I did one session for old times sake.[/QUOTE]Indeed and it seems this really shocked you as you never explained how she has changed. Do you think she had signs of substance abuse? I remember how she was always looking out of the room windows into the car park to spot license plates from Cologne as she wanted to avoid running into people she knew. She once met a friend of hers in a club and that was a shock to her, which obviously caused her a lot of anxiety.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2491176]Was Janine the skinny blonde German girl from Stuttgart? She gave very good service indeed.

My experience with German girls in most of the clubs was always positive. More or less.[/QUOTE]No, she was dark brown hair and green / brown eyes and she was always sitting in the sofas near the entrance. She was not walking around the club. You had to walk over to her and be nice, if you wanted to have a chance for a session. Once I took her together with her friend Tessa. De for a threesome. Ohhh paradise! Maybe the Covid crisis will bring her back, who knows!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2491274]Kylie was one of the nicest and good hearted girl I came across in FKK, I have positive opinion about her and her service too! She will be missed![/QUOTE]Isn't Kylie tattooed silicon? Not pretty enough for me. German don t mean beauty. 1,80 full natural Leana. De is so much prettier at Palace.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2491298]Kylie was sometimes snob and arrogant to some customers or I should better say harsh. This is what some guys in palace told me but she was always nice to me.

A true German top model.[/QUOTE]Just curious, who was she snobby to?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2491334]No, she was dark brown hair and green / brown eyes and she was always sitting in the sofas near the entrance. She was not walking around the club. You had to walk over to her and be nice, if you wanted to have a chance for a session. Once I took her together with her friend Tessa. De for a threesome. Ohhh paradise! Maybe the Covid crisis will bring her back, who knows![/QUOTE]I would say chestnut for hair, and walking like a duck on heels. Playing whole night with her hair.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2491292]Mandy was living in Stuttgart at that time and always drove to Shark, had 1 time a 3 hours session with her, very clean girl but her way to speak German was not ok for me and also I had little chemistry with her. After each time I met her again in Shark she always tried hard to go again with me. May be she is doing some escort in Stuttgart or find a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]Really lovely and trying to please, but no wow for me and never repeated, not pretty enough for me. Had more than 10 rooms with Sandra. De on 2015.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2491365]Isn't Kylie tattooed silicon? Not pretty enough for me. German don t mean beauty. 1,80 full natural Leana. De is so much prettier at Palace.[/QUOTE]I met this Leana tall German too. Brown hair and blue eyes correct?

No Kylie was not silicon. She had no tattoo when I met her but after I saw her again she had I think on one arm not good with tattoos.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2491367]Just curious, who was she snobby to?[/QUOTE]I don't know names, this is what some guys told me inside the club who also met her.

As I said she was nice with me.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2491334]No, she was dark brown hair and green / brown eyes and she was always sitting in the sofas near the entrance. She was not walking around the club. You had to walk over to her and be nice, if you wanted to have a chance for a session. Once I took her together with her friend Tessa. De for a threesome. Ohhh paradise! Maybe the Covid crisis will bring her back, who knows![/QUOTE]Oh that one. I remember her and had one session. Did not speak much English, model looks. But the service was less than average. I thought she was a bit standoffish. May be she was having a bad day or perhaps it was me. I have seen her many times near that front couch but never took her again. May be I made a mistake. Certainly a pretty girl.

Someone mentioned Mandy and I am thinking perhaps the Stuttgart blonde I had in mind was Mandy. She gave very good service but not as pretty. This Stuttgart girl gave total GFE, kissed forever, never broke a liplock. Also licked balls forever, w / o needing extra money.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2491292]Mandy was living in Stuttgart at that time and always drove to Shark, had 1 time a 3 hours session with her, very clean girl but her way to speak German was not ok for me and also I had little chemistry with her. After each time I met her again in Shark she always tried hard to go again with me. May be she is doing some escort in Stuttgart or find a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]Mandy was my first favourite girl at Sharks, often started early at 11 and finished around 6-8 pm.

Probably not everyone's ideal type but I found her personality engaging and her service excellent.

Unfortunately she was very popular so I didn't always manage to see her on my regular trips.

I remember she said she came from Stuttgart but I never did find out why she stopped going to Sharks?

Some say she made more than enough money so could leave the industry.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2491365]Isn't Kylie tattooed silicon? Not pretty enough for me. German don t mean beauty. 1,80 full natural Leana. De is so much prettier at Palace.[/QUOTE]She has tattoo on one of the forearm and has silicone, but nicely made.

However, when she began she had none of that!

This Leana girl I hear about, I never met, I would like to meet her if the thing actually open LOL!

[QUOTE=Canary;2491405]Mandy was my first favourite girl at Sharks, often started early at 11 and finished around 6-8 pm.

Probably not everyone's ideal type but I found her personality engaging and her service excellent.

Unfortunately she was very popular so I didn't always manage to see her on my regular trips.

I remember she said she came from Stuttgart but I never did find out why she stopped going to Sharks?

Some say she made more than enough money so could leave the industry.[/QUOTE]Mandy with small heart tattoo on bum was the busiest girl I've ever seen in an FKK. If she was not in the room she was always talking to men. She was in great demand.

Re: the best 5 girls, that is almost impossible for me to list. To some extent that is because I am not good w / names, and partly because it is so difficult to pick just 5. It also depends on whether you are a spread your wealth around type guy or you focus on just a handful of girls. I am somewhere in between but more towards the former; I am not one who refuses to repeat but do want to give a try with as many pretty girls as I can. As such, it is tougher to remember those girls who proved to be awesome but I have been with them only a few times. In my earlier years, I was visiting more clubs but of late I have been focused more on Frankfurt and the occasional Artemis. NRW has never been that high for me and lately has come down materially. I must have visited some of these clubs like PHG and Babylon just a handful of times; same w / Coliseum even Mainhattan and a couple of others and I skip the AO clubs. And GT was never that good for me ever even in the 2011-15 period. In those days the best ones for me were Oase and World; Palace always had some amount of upsell but was manageable in those days. A couple of girls I do remember from Oase in those days were Beatrix and Lavinia, both were really pretty in my eyes and provided great service. One Greek girl (that's what she said) in Palace and a Ukrainian in GT were awesome, both more than 5/6 years ago. There was a girl called Anita in Sharks but she had bounced around other Hessen clubs and also provided great service and was really good. This girl I made a mistake on in a comment yesterday, Mandy, was a bit more recent but provided great service. Moira was another Sharks girl who was super. There was a blonde girl with a Moslem / Turkish sounding name about 5 or 6 years ago in Artemis and her DFK was out of this world. But the ones that stand out more than others are really the one / two offs, on nights you were not expecting much, and they turn out to be so good and then they are gone. Perhaps if I had continued seeing them, they too would have become stale and I might lost that fascination with them. People I met in the clubs say the clubs were even better pre-2010/11 but that was before my time.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2491727]Re: the best 5 girls, that is almost impossible for me to list. To some extent that is because I am not good w / names, and partly because it is so difficult to pick just 5. It also depends on whether you are a spread your wealth around type guy or you focus on just a handful of girls. I am somewhere in between but more towards the former; I am not one who refuses to repeat but do want to give a try with as many pretty girls as I can. As such, it is tougher to remember those girls who proved to be awesome but I have been with them only a few times. In my earlier years, I was visiting more clubs but of late I have been focused more on Frankfurt and the occasional Artemis. NRW has never been that high for me and lately has come down materially. I must have visited some of these clubs like PHG and Babylon just a handful of times; same w / Coliseum even Mainhattan and a couple of others and I skip the AO clubs. And GT was never that good for me ever even in the 2011-15 period. In those days the best ones for me were Oase and World; Palace always had some amount of upsell but was manageable in those days. A couple of girls I do remember from Oase in those days were Beatrix and Lavinia, both were really pretty in my eyes and provided great service. One Greek girl (that's what she said) in Palace and a Ukrainian in GT were awesome, both more than 5/6 years ago. There was a girl called Anita in Sharks but she had bounced around other Hessen clubs and also provided great service and was really good. This girl I made a mistake on in a comment yesterday, Mandy, was a bit more recent but provided great service. Moira was another Sharks girl who was super. There was a blonde girl with a Moslem / Turkish sounding name about 5 or 6 years ago in Artemis and her DFK was out of this world. But the ones that stand out more than others are really the one / two offs, on nights you were not expecting much, and they turn out to be so good and then they are gone. Perhaps if I had continued seeing them, they too would have become stale and I might lost that fascination with them. People I met in the clubs say the clubs were even better pre-2010/11 but that was before my time.[/QUOTE]I am extremely selective, but me too, I have too many to add to my best girls of all time list! But for me as for DFK, I must give it to Geraldine the Hungarian, she will lick each part of my lip, she lick my both upside and down side of gum, she lick my teeth, she suck my both up and down side of lip, suck my tongue, all with different speed, different strength weak, soft, strong and then she swallow whole lip with her mouth in her small very structured face and suck my tongue etc with a lot of eye contact and she does it for you for ages! She is one of few girl I took to room for 1 hour and half to 2 hours and repeated session even on same day!

Other best DFK kisser was Kimmi from Berlin, beautiful blonde girl! She had more passionate, but slow DFK with a lot of eye contact and really give you deep GFE feeling that felt like eternal love honeymoon night! Oh I miss 10 days of everyday with her and even took another favorite blonde stunner girl Joy with Kimmi to have among best threesome even with my among the best monger life!

There are so many stunner to add, but above two were the favorite kisser! I just had this beautiful young just started romanian girl in globe in Jan. / Feb. This year who was also amazing kisser and service, but when it comes to stunner, I had over about 150 stunners in 10 years of FKK mongering in FKK alone, which is not a lot comparison to other mongers who is less selective, but still a lot to remember, buy I do take notes of stunner in my note for me to read and look back! Which I rarely read except when I return from FKK trip LOL, but all are in my head and memory!

Thanks to those who've answered so far. I asked the question but its impossible to name only 3 girls. If I just stick to German FKKs since this is the German forum (and ignore Switzerland) I guess in terms of most memorable sessions ever (still hard to choose!) I can't forget Saskia from Cologne of FKK Palace for her classic beauty and for being the girl with whom I had the most ever sessions and for falling for her; Natasha, the slender but tall Romanian at Palace who ranks second for most rooms by me; Martha from Colombia for pure beauty (again Palace) and skin like silk; Leana German supermodel from Palace (last year) for the best body; Maya from FKK Paradise for being the most overall exquisite (only ever saw her a couple of times there but unforgettable); Aylice from Sharks / Paradise, blonde Romanian Marilyn Monroe lookalike for being the most stunning and glamorous; Stella / Scarlet (Turkin aus Berlin) at Sakura and Artemis for being such a sweetheart and sexy; Lena for her pornstar looks; Eria and Regina at Paradise for their exquisite youthful Romanian beauty; Larissa at Harmony (blonde German beauty) for a perfect PSE session and for her gentle beauty; Martha at Harmony (Polish supermodel) for being aristocratic and sex on legs; Alicia / Alija at Atmos (blonde curvy beauty from Albania) for my most complete sessions; Shirin, 18 year old Persian German for being 18 and yet beautifully perverse (Atmos); Mady for her unforgettable session at Oase; Victoria (Italian) for a session at Samya that went on for hours! Margarite at Paradise for anal adventures and her kindness; Incredible fuck sessions with Bibi at Sakura and Nicole at Sharks and the German model at Sharks who rode me AO who shall remain unnamed; Joelle the Spanish medical student at Colosseum along with dancer Natascha with green eyes! And if I move to Schweiz there is angel faced Megan from Romania who should be a Hollywood star and also perfect faced Romanian supermodel Carmen (ex Babylon Klagenfurt) who is another 10 Blondine and who kisses deeply like no tomorrow and German sweetheart Johanna who proved to me she is not only an angel but also has a dominant devilish side; and Swizz Emma from Amesia for wild sex and leaving love bites on me that were visible for a week afterwards at work! And then Victoria's Secret perfect model bodies of Latvian Gloria and Romanian Laura at Aphrodisia and perfect faced Carla also at Aphro and pretty model girl Sunny who is a guy's dream (like Megan but a bit sulkier!) and many many others (I average about 3 or 4 girls per visit and have been going regularly since 2006); and curvy German Jana from Hamburg at Artemis who fucked me like it was our wedding night! However, although she wasn't the most beautiful or the best fuck or the prettiest, for some reason, perhaps the most unforgettable girl was Indira, the sassy Romanian beauty from Palace with her attitude and her high stripper heels and her funny jokes!

I wonder what happened to all these girls, where they are now (except the ones who I know are still working at the time of writing).

This does not include the 9 unforgettable threesomes I've had in FKKs (with some girls mentioned and many not above)!

Three girls I never got to session with as they were always busy or I just wasn't in the mood when they were available that I really regret are all German blondes: Janine from Sharks, Linda from Globe and famous Marie from Oase and Colosseum.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2491376]I met this Leana tall German too. Brown hair and blue eyes correct?

No Kylie was not silicon. She had no tattoo when I met her but after I saw her again she had I think on one arm not good with tattoos.[/QUOTE]She had silicone, it was very well done one via armpit, confirmed by her as we used to talk a lot out side room and also had dinner together quite a lot of times, this is quite rare case for me as I do not enjoy talking to girls in FKK but she was real nice!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2491494]She has tattoo on one of the forearm and has silicone, but nicely made.

However, when she began she had none of that!

This Leana girl I hear about, I never met, I would like to meet her if the thing actually open LOL![/QUOTE]When Kylie is typical tattooed silicon German WG, Berliner Leana is real supermodel 1,80 around 58 kg, full natural, pretty face, but not interesting in bed, just suck and fuck, but I didn't regret my 50 with such wow rare beauty in FKK land, fucking her in 3 positions. I refused her prostate massage proposition. She was really not busy on my visit on a Friday night. Kylie was also not busy earlier. Great German beauty ex Artemis since this Summer for me at Globe, with much prettier face and elegance than Linda.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492000]When Kylie is typical tattooed silicon German WG, Berliner Leana is real supermodel 1,80 around 58 kg, full natural, pretty face, but not interesting in bed, just suck and fuck, but I didn't regret my 50 with such wow rare beauty in FKK land, fucking her in 3 positions. I refused her prostate massage proposition. She was really not busy on my visit on a Friday night. Kylie was also not busy earlier. Great German beauty ex Artemis since this Summer for me at Globe, with much prettier face and elegance than Linda.[/QUOTE]Kylie when she began was all natural beauty by the way, without tattoo and silicone.

As for bad service you often claim from German WG, they choose whom they give good service too, and you told me stella gave bad service to you in room without DFK etc as she told you she does not sell love, but she gave me good service and DFK too, I do not think she sold me love LOL But it is just that german girls as well as all other working girls in FKK choose to whom they want to give good service too. I never seen this Leana girl yet unfortunately, but if I see her and if I like how she look, I will session with her.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2491815]Thanks to those who've answered so far. I asked the question but its impossible to name only 3 girls. If I just stick to German FKKs since this is the German forum (and ignore Switzerland) I guess in terms of most memorable sessions ever (still hard to choose!) I can't forget Saskia from Cologne of FKK Palace for her classic beauty and for being the girl with whom I had the most ever sessions and for falling for her; Natasha, the slender but tall Romanian at Palace who ranks second for most rooms by me; Martha from Colombia for pure beauty (again Palace) and skin like silk; Leana German supermodel from Palace (last year) for the best body; Maya from FKK Paradise for being the most overall exquisite (only ever saw her a couple of times there but unforgettable); Aylice from Sharks / Paradise, blonde Romanian Marilyn Monroe lookalike for being the most stunning and glamorous; Stella / Scarlet (Turkin aus Berlin) at Sakura and Artemis for being such a sweetheart and sexy; Lena for her pornstar looks; Eria and Regina at Paradise for their exquisite youthful Romanian beauty; Larissa at Harmony (blonde German beauty) for a perfect PSE session and for her gentle beauty; Martha at Harmony (Polish supermodel) for being aristocratic and sex on legs; Alicia / Alija at Atmos (blonde curvy beauty from Albania) for my most complete sessions; Shirin, 18 year old Persian German for being 18 and yet beautifully perverse (Atmos); Mady for her unforgettable session at Oase; Victoria (Italian) for a session at Samya that went on for hours! Margarite at Paradise for anal adventures and her kindness; Incredible fuck sessions with Bibi at Sakura and Nicole at Sharks and the German model at Sharks who rode me AO who shall remain unnamed; Joelle the Spanish medical student at Colosseum along with dancer Natascha with green eyes! And if I move to Schweiz there is angel faced Megan from Romania who should be a Hollywood star and also perfect faced Romanian supermodel Carmen (ex Babylon Klagenfurt) who is another 10 Blondine and who kisses deeply like no tomorrow and German sweetheart Johanna who proved to me she is not only an angel but also has a dominant devilish side; and Swizz Emma from Amesia for wild sex and leaving love bites on me that were visible for a week afterwards at work!.[/QUOTE]A lot of girls manage to find someone to marry and in case of the one I follow on sns, she is actually studying in university in Romania, so not all working girl lie about saving money for university LOL! That's Romania though!

However, I wonder what happen to German working girls after FKK though? Become waitress or some manual labor like that or? I often hear about them wanting to move into real estate, and sure, they can after earn enough money like some of them do!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2492070]As for bad service you often claim from German WG, they choose whom they give good service too,.[/QUOTE]Of course, as some philosophizers say, you get from what you are. If you act like a servile lovesick puppy-stalker, you don't get anything.

And all the German WGs are not that bad, remember the soooo lovely Rachel, Sam and the others from GT? They were real lalala dreamed angels!

The girls are aging like everyone, the first step is around 30, many will leave the prostitution at that time, in the FKK it is getting harder to make money also the way of living, smoking, night life, some addiction starts also to make visible signs.

Second step is 35, probably 80% have retired. Advice you to spend holidays in Rumania you will find many ex girls in the Bucharest more difficult in the other cities but still possible in Braila or Timisoara. A lot of them are married, and have a normal basic job, some were successful with a cosmetic shop or bars and restaurant. Unfortunately the problems from the early years remain and many are divorced or still have to fight with their addictions. If you spend several evening in the bar street in Bucharest you can date some of them not for money just to have fun, you pay the restaurant, hotel, may be some clothes.

I don t kiss a prostitute and I don t want a prostitute to kiss me, this is for sure, kissing is linked with love for me. Even I can t imagine kissing a girl who just rimed a guy or got CIM from one guy coming from I don t where, may be sick or not clean and after I kiss her like I am in love (for sure never never. I am spending a lot of time with ex girls, sometimes they like to speak about their previous life in FKK, about the mongers. I am quite sure if some of you will listen to that you will not kiss anymore a prostitute or riming one. You are clean, respectful. But don t imagine all the men are like you, you have to go behind the scene. Also about the cleanness of the girls, just imagine that you are taking 10 showers everyday, how long do you think it will last before your skin will have problems? It is exactly the same for the girls, don t imagine they can wash deeply between 2 customers, ask your wife or GF to wash 10 times per day her vagina you will see if she will do it after that you ask her to have sex 10+ per day with a condom. The devil is always in the details.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2492070]Kylie when she began was all natural beauty by the way, without tattoo and silicone.

As for bad service you often claim from German WG, they choose whom they give good service too, and you told me stella gave bad service to you in room without DFK etc as she told you she does not sell love, but she gave me good service and DFK too, I do not think she sold me love LOL But it is just that german girls as well as all other working girls in FKK choose to whom they want to give good service too. I never seen this Leana girl yet unfortunately, but if I see her and if I like how she look, I will session with her.[/QUOTE]You often should read better or translate in native language. I never wrote Stella Palace gave me bad service in room, because had never any room with her. On 10 May 2014, I discovered Palace around 3 pm, changing from World and Sharks, Stella who was not busy, came to me full smiling, had little friendly chat but told me not kissing not knowing my hygiene, so I joked with her telling her I brush my teeth once a year, but with her level, she didn't understand I was joking and answered: beurk and I don't sell love. That was enough for me not to insist, I never insist to get, never beg, never play grocer with girls, when they are used with uglies, fat, old, but if I feel a girl seems uncomfortable with me, then I prefer to stop and leave the bed, so no room with German Stella who was not busy on this Saturday, no room for me at Palace, moved to World on evening and discovered at 4.15 am a selling love in bed, queen of kissing Romanian. On next Saturday, I returned to her, not for Stella and Romanian became my regular for 1 year, with 4 1 hour rooms on some week ends and having her only for me on some saturdays. Between both, no comparison for look: elegance and chic versus typical German prostitute. Berliner Leana has supermodel look, not tattooed German WG. Even I prefer Romanians who are more sensual for love in bed, but had more than 10 Germans who couldn't control and fell for love in bed with many orgasmus, few being multi orgasmic, and coming to repeat for my love in bed way. As told me Globe busy superstar Joana from Hanover who was afraid about me, when looking at my Globe girls at this time, thinking she would not be good enough for me, when she was a superstar at Globe, having complex in front of me, but after first round on middle of our discovery room, she smiled, she seemed relax, no more control, just letting go and told me: now I know You, I will run to You, what she did to repeat on same night and 3 months later when she became brunette, her real color and I usually prefer girls when natural, but not for so lovely Joana. Half German half Nigerian with Rihanna face Vanessa at Freubad, for a great social time for nearly 1 hour, exceptional fire in bed even very difficult for me, but thanks to her for this one shot experience, I don t regret, I learned with her and she was the good one to make me able to experience.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2491034]Hendrix is the absolute best ever. No question. Some of the stuff that would come out of his guitar. Just unbelievable. Unfathomable! I mean, where does that come from LOL? Was some strong psychodelics LOL![/QUOTE]Robin Finck.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2491815]Thanks to those who've answered so far. I asked the question but its impossible to name only 3 girls. If I just stick to German FKKs since this is the German forum (and ignore Switzerland) I guess in terms of most memorable sessions ever (still hard to choose!) I can't forget Saskia from Cologne of FKK Palace for her classic beauty and for being the girl with whom I had the most ever sessions and for falling for her; Natasha, the slender but tall Romanian at Palace who ranks second for most rooms by me; Martha from Colombia for pure beauty (again Palace) and skin like silk; Leana German supermodel from Palace (last year) for the best body; Maya from FKK Paradise for being the most overall exquisite (only ever saw her a couple of times there but unforgettable); Aylice from Sharks / Paradise, blonde Romanian Marilyn Monroe lookalike for being the most stunning and glamorous; Stella / Scarlet (Turkin aus Berlin) at Sakura and Artemis for being such a sweetheart and sexy; Lena for her pornstar looks; Eria and Regina at Paradise for their exquisite youthful Romanian beauty; Larissa at Harmony (blonde German beauty) for a perfect PSE session and for her gentle beauty;.[/QUOTE]Great walk down the memory lane! I also wish I could fuck Janine (Sharks). Was lucky to fuck Marie (Oase) few times, she was super in the room but didn't want to fuck in public; was she in Coliseum before or after Oase? Few people complained about service from Linda (Globe) but my experience was awesome, maybe because that was her very first time full on sex in public (according to her she loved it).

Was Aylice in Paradise before or after Sharks?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492172]I don t kiss a prostitute and I don t want a prostitute to kiss me, this is for sure, kissing is linked with love for me. Even I can t imagine kissing a girl who just rimed a guy or got CIM from one guy coming from I don t where, may be sick or not clean and after I kiss her like I am in love (for sure never never. I am spending a lot of time with ex girls, sometimes they like to speak about their previous life in FKK, about the mongers. I am quite sure if some of you will listen to that you will not kiss anymore a prostitute or riming one. You are clean, respectful. But don t imagine all the men are like you, you have to go behind the scene. Also about the cleanness of the girls, just imagine that you are taking 10 showers everyday, how long do you think it will last before your skin will have problems? It is exactly the same for the girls, don t imagine they can wash deeply between 2 customers, ask your wife or GF to wash 10 times per day her vagina you will see if she will do it after that you ask her to have sex 10+ per day with a condom. The devil is always in the details.[/QUOTE]Holy man! Why do you still visit FKK or working girls? Stay at home if you are afraid every time of everything! That's really crazy! Nobody died because he was not clean enough or he forgot to wash his hand LOL.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2492269]Great walk down the memory lane! I also wish I could fuck Janine (Sharks). Was lucky to fuck Marie (Oase) few times, she was super in the room but didn't want to fuck in public; was she in Coliseum before or after Oase? Few people complained about service from Linda (Globe) but my experience was awesome, maybe because that was her very first time full on sex in public (according to her she loved it).

Was Aylice in Paradise before or after Sharks?[/QUOTE]I was with Marie a few times in public at Oase. I enjoyed it a lot. She was in Coliseum after Oase.

LOL, my remark reminds me of this post in the other thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2490726&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2490726.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2492074]A lot of girls manage to find someone to marry and in case of the one I follow on sns, she is actually studying in university in Romania, so not all working girl lie about saving money for university LOL! That's Romania though!

However, I wonder what happen to German working girls after FKK though? Become waitress or some manual labor like that or? I often hear about them wanting to move into real estate, and sure, they can after earn enough money like some of them do![/QUOTE]Did you see her studying in university? Even Craiova have big university. When I discovered Rachel. De at GT on October 2013, she worked at GT 1 week on 2 , because studying to become doctor, but on January 2014, she might find she learned better anatomy at GT and no more studies, she just studied pills or other sold or found at GT.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492318]I was with Marie a few times in public at Oase. I enjoyed it a lot. She was in Coliseum after Oase.

LOL, my remark reminds me of this post in the other thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2490726&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2490726.[/QUOTE]I have never been that much into public sex. Have received blow jobs in kino a few times but it did not add that much excitement or kink factor. Perhaps I was too uptight? I don't ever recall doing full on sex in public in any of these clubs. I don't mind watching however, LOL. That said, I have not seen public sex to any extent of late. Are the girls offering it to you, or do you seek them and do you pay extra for it? Do you feel like it adds an element of excitement, and you get off faster because you are being watched / envied?

Apart from perhaps being uptight admittedly, another thing about these public sex outings is that space is cramped. She can ride you cowgirl or doggie, but other positions are tough to pull off. I guess if you are the type that gets excited by it, you will overlook the physical comfort due to the added adrenaline.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492318]I was with Marie a few times in public at Oase. I enjoyed it a lot. She was in Coliseum after Oase.

LOL, my remark reminds me of this post in the other thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2490726&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2490726.[/QUOTE]German Marie was legendary, very beautiful and gave good service. She was very very busy, when you saw her free you had to run up to her to take her to the room and even then someone could grab her before you.
I must mention my all time FKK favorite, Simona from Romania, what a treat; there were so many hot girls from all over Europe at Oase back then but one smile from Simona and the other girls did not exist. Anyone remembers Guitta from Hungary? The girl who gave the best service in FKK history was Michelle from Switzerland. Lets not forget Sarah from Romania who worked at Oase for all of one or two days, the most beautiful woman ever to grace an FKK. Those were Oase golden days, glad I was around then.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2492354]German Marie was legendary, very beautiful and gave good service. She was very very busy, when you saw her free you had to run up to her to take her to the room and even then someone could grab her before you.
I must mention my all time FKK favorite, Simona from Romania, what a treat; there were so many hot girls from all over Europe at Oase back then but one smile from Simona and the other girls did not exist. Anyone remembers Guitta from Hungary? The girl who gave the best service in FKK history was Michelle from Switzerland. Lets not forget Sarah from Romania who worked at Oase for all of one or two days, the most beautiful woman ever to grace an FKK. Those were Oase golden days, glad I was around then.[/QUOTE] when i discovered FKK (Sharks and Oase) , it is 95% Romania, 5% other countries.

Why it was deffirenet before? What has changed?

After Covid19 Crazy world pandamic, will FKK have hot girls from all over Europe AGAIN?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2492354]German Marie was legendary, very beautiful and gave good service. She was very very busy, when you saw her free you had to run up to her to take her to the room and even then someone could grab her before you.
I must mention my all time FKK favorite, Simona from Romania, what a treat; there were so many hot girls from all over Europe at Oase back then but one smile from Simona and the other girls did not exist. Anyone remembers Guitta from Hungary? The girl who gave the best service in FKK history was Michelle from Switzerland. Lets not forget Sarah from Romania who worked at Oase for all of one or two days, the most beautiful woman ever to grace an FKK. Those were Oase golden days, glad I was around then.[/QUOTE]What years was Marie active at Oase? I only saw her at Colosseum in Augsburg in 2012/13 on one occasion as I was about to leave. She was in the jacuzzi with some guy and when she finished with him I went up to her to speak with her. She was very beautiful. Unfortunately, I had to go back to Munich where I worked in those days and so I spoke with her but decided I'll see her next time I come to Augsburg. Next time never happened as my company transferred me from Munich soon after!! I'd love to know what she is doing now. I'm sure she'd still be attractive. I read a rumour on ISG once of someone seeing her in Paris and another person spotted her in Frankfurt but I've got no idea!! I think for a time she was the most talked about girl on ISG.

Michelle from Switzerland? Rings a bell. Which clubs did she work? Yeh, sometimes we come across a girl we only ever see in a club once never to be seen again (like Sarah you mentioned). I remember a Bulgarian girl at Palace in 2007. Only ever saw her once, sessioned with her, Felice was her name, was mesmerised by her, and then she disappeared never to be seen by me again!

Janine at Sharks I never got a chance because she was always surrounded by a bunch of old German guys!

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2492392]when i discovered FKK (Sharks and Oase) , it is 95% Romania, 5% other countries.

Why it was deffirenet before? What has changed?

After Covid19 Crazy world pandamic, will FKK have hot girls from all over Europe AGAIN?[/QUOTE]Prices were low at 50 for a lot of things such as kissing, BBBJ, many positions and sometimes even more like public sex, BLS etc. Perhaps those were not tempting enough for girls from richer nations. Then too some other countries like Bulgaria, Albania were not any richer. Perhaps Romanian girls accepted prostitution and FKK work more easily than other girls. In any case, some of the recent prices are quite high. 160/ H at Artemis with 90 entry sets back 190/ H if taking 3 sessions. I can get just as good with sugababes and don't even have to fly to DE.

We will see if supply increases due to the higher prices. 150 to 200 an hour without extras is not inexpensive anymore.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2492269]Great walk down the memory lane! I also wish I could fuck Janine (Sharks). Was lucky to fuck Marie (Oase) few times, she was super in the room but didn't want to fuck in public; was she in Coliseum before or after Oase? Few people complained about service from Linda (Globe) but my experience was awesome, maybe because that was her very first time full on sex in public (according to her she loved it).

Was Aylice in Paradise before or after Sharks?[/QUOTE]Aylice was in Paradise for only a short while after she left Sharks. Linda I went to Globe three times for but each time she was always booked. I spoke to her in German but she always said she was booked and seeing her go from room to room to room she was! Especially in the first week she came which is when I went! I'm sure we all have girls we let get away to live to regret, especially in my early days of mongering in FKKs. Later I learned not to make that mistake even if it meant going over budget! I also regret missing Giselle at Globe. That's another club where you have to grab the Top Girls right away otherwise they disappear in the rooms!!

Does anyone remember tall leggy German blonde at Artemis, Jane?

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2492402]What years was Marie active at Oase? ......[/QUOTE]Marie worked in Oase in late spring and the entire summer of year 2012 when she was 20 years old. She worked in LR in year 2011 when she was 19. She was a beautiful German blonde with charming blue eyes. However, her service was just average. There was nothing to write home about.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492172]I don t kiss a prostitute and I don t want a prostitute to kiss me, this is for sure, kissing is linked with love for me. Even I can t imagine kissing a girl who just rimed a guy or got CIM from one guy coming from I don t where, may be sick or not clean and after I kiss her like I am in love (for sure never never. I am spending a lot of time with ex girls, sometimes they like to speak about their previous life in FKK, about the mongers. I am quite sure if some of you will listen to that you will not kiss anymore a prostitute or riming one. You are clean, respectful. But don t imagine all the men are like you, you have to go behind the scene. Also about the cleanness of the girls, just imagine that you are taking 10 showers everyday, how long do you think it will last before your skin will have problems? It is exactly the same for the girls, don t imagine they can wash deeply between 2 customers, ask your wife or GF to wash 10 times per day her vagina you will see if she will do it after that you ask her to have sex 10+ per day with a condom. The devil is always in the details.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the girls pussy smells plastic from the amount of condoms they have inside. I have experienced this several times in all clubs. At least it doesn't smell rotten fish or anything worse haha.

I don't kiss either, not for the clean issues, but because I like real passionate kisses and not fake selling ones. I don't mind sticking my tongue in their asshole however.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492194]You often should read better or translate in native language. I never wrote Stella Palace gave me bad service in room, because had never any room with her. On 10 May 2014, I discovered Palace around 3 pm, changing from World and Sharks, Stella who was not busy, came to me full smiling, had little friendly chat but told me not kissing not knowing my hygiene, so I joked with her telling her I brush my teeth once a year, but with her level, she didn't understand I was joking and answered: beurk and I don't sell love. That was enough for me not to insist, I never insist to get, never beg, never play grocer with girls, when they are used with uglies, fat, old, but if I feel a girl seems uncomfortable with me, then I prefer to stop and leave the bed, so no room with German Stella who was not busy on this Saturday, no room for me at Palace, moved to World on evening and discovered at 4.15 am a selling love in bed, queen of kissing Romanian. On next Saturday, I returned to her, not for Stella and Romanian became my regular for 1 year, with 4 1 hour rooms on some week ends and having her only for me on some saturdays. Between both, no comparison for look: elegance and chic versus typical German prostitute. Berliner Leana has supermodel look, not tattooed German WG. Even I prefer Romanians who are more sensual for love in bed, but had more than 10 Germans who couldn't control and fell for love in bed with many orgasmus, few being multi orgasmic, and coming to repeat for my love in bed way. As told me Globe busy superstar Joana from Hanover who was afraid about me, when looking at my Globe girls at this time, thinking she would not be good enough for me, when she was a superstar at Globe, having complex in front of me, but after first round on middle of our discovery room, she smiled, she seemed relax, no more control, just letting go and told me: now I know You, I will run to You, what she did to repeat on same night and 3 months later when she became brunette, her real color and I usually prefer girls when natural, but not for so lovely Joana. Half German half Nigerian with Rihanna face Vanessa at Freubad, for a great social time for nearly 1 hour, exceptional fire in bed even very difficult for me, but thanks to her for this one shot experience, I don t regret, I learned with her and she was the good one to make me able to experience.[/QUOTE]How come you remember details of your each visit to the exact date, even time? Even it is few years ago, you remember the exact date and time LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492329]Did you see her studying in university? Even Craiova have big university. When I discovered Rachel. De at GT on October 2013, she worked at GT 1 week on 2 , because studying to become doctor, but on January 2014, she might find she learned better anatomy at GT and no more studies, she just studied pills or other sold or found at GT.[/QUOTE]Through sns yeah, but I do not have her as a friend, but had another girl who un friended me on my friend list and using her friend list while she was friend on sns, I found bunch of FKK girls, so I bookmarked them, and see the photos and profiles that are public, it is interesting to see them in different angle of life than FKK like sometimes even though I have less interest in FKK girls life compare to you LOL!

Again, how come you remember exact date of each FKK even though it is 6 years ago LOL!

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2492426]Marie worked in Oase in late spring and the entire summer of year 2012 when she was 20 years old. She worked in LR in year 2011 when she was 19. She was a beautiful German blonde with charming blue eyes. However, her service was just average. There was nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]I first met Marie in Zurich at Club Life in May 2011. She had spent some time in Switzerland during that year. Her service level there was off the charts. Interesting to learn that she was at LR as well.

On subsequent meet ups later in Oase during May & Sep 2012, her service level wasn't quite as good.

Howie.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492172]I don t kiss a prostitute and I don t want a prostitute to kiss me, this is for sure, kissing is linked with love for me. Even I can t imagine kissing a girl who just rimed a guy or got CIM from one guy coming from I don t where, may be sick or not clean and after I kiss her like I am in love (for sure never never. I am spending a lot of time with ex girls, sometimes they like to speak about their previous life in FKK, about the mongers. I am quite sure if some of you will listen to that you will not kiss anymore a prostitute or riming one. You are clean, respectful. But don t imagine all the men are like you, you have to go behind the scene. Also about the cleanness of the girls, just imagine that you are taking 10 showers everyday, how long do you think it will last before your skin will have problems? It is exactly the same for the girls, don t imagine they can wash deeply between 2 customers, ask your wife or GF to wash 10 times per day her vagina you will see if she will do it after that you ask her to have sex 10+ per day with a condom. The devil is always in the details.[/QUOTE]I am first client of the day always! But she may have rimmed a guy a day before! But after me on that day, she would be rimming me LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2492403]Prices were low at 50 for a lot of things such as kissing, BBBJ, many positions and sometimes even more like public sex, BLS etc. Perhaps those were not tempting enough for girls from richer nations. Then too some other countries like Bulgaria, Albania were not any richer. Perhaps Romanian girls accepted prostitution and FKK work more easily than other girls. In any case, some of the recent prices are quite high. 160/ H at Artemis with 90 entry sets back 190/ H if taking 3 sessions. I can get just as good with sugababes and don't even have to fly to DE.

We will see if supply increases due to the higher prices. 150 to 200 an hour without extras is not inexpensive anymore.[/QUOTE]So finally FKK is beginning to put the price up and Artemis is the starter of the trendy!

I never care about the money when I go with a girl, prostitute or not, I only care about beauty. I mostly do 1 session and I prefer to spend 300 or 500 or 800 with 1 girl and to be very satisfy than going with 4 or more. At the end of the end it changes what to spend 50 or 70 or 100 specially for the guys flying to Germany they have a lot of additional costs. I never do 50 euro sessions. Many times guys asked me how many sessions I had and they were so proud to tell me they had 5+ and when I asked them with whom. Mostly were enable to answer, they are just basic consumers and I am a hedonist.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2492392]when i discovered FKK (Sharks and Oase) , it is 95% Romania, 5% other countries.

Why it was deffirenet before? What has changed?

After Covid19 Crazy world pandamic, will FKK have hot girls from all over Europe AGAIN?[/QUOTE]Most of pretty Germans, or Polish, or Czech, or most of Hungarians, don t want to work for 50/30 now. Many Germans telling me they didn't want to work with everything for 50 at GT. Many Germans like Miss GT 2019 tried Switzerland on this Summer. Most of Romanians come from poverty, not many from Bucharest city nor Constanza. Real Russians or Ukrainians can t get registered in Germany.

Thanks Howie and US Hobbyist for the extra info on Marie. I was in Germany in late 2011 and 2012 but I didn't go to Oase in those days as I preferred to monger more locally. A decision I regret! Does anyone recall what name she used in LR or indeed in Zurich? In Zurich you have to give a superior service I guess because of the higher prices it you want to survive! It's interesting everyone says she was beautiful but in Germany her service was limited. I wonder if that's why she preferred to work in LR and Oase instead of Zurich. Was she ever at Globe or Aphrodisia?

She probably chose high volume in Germany at 50/30 and less effort versus 140/30 or 90/30 in Zurich for full service!! But she was a stand out stunner in a room of beautiful girls and she knew she was beautiful so that was enough for guys to go mad for her. Beauty is the main reason many guys go to FKKs, moi included. I still don't think she was as beautiful as Megan though, having seen both but she had the added bonus of being German and aloof. That made too many guys intimidated by her looks and added to her legend. Marie if I remember correctly never sought guys out but waited like a Queen for guys to approach her. In her younger days when Saskia was stunningly beautiful (face better than Marie IMHO, body not) she also did the same approach of not running after guys and many guys told me or on here they were too intimidated to approach her icy demeanour. It's a good strategy if you have the top shelf looks to pull it off. These girls are master psychologists too. Sometimes they play hard to get as it increases their value.

Those of us who've been in FKKs have been lucky to fuck some real stunners.

Sadly Club Life is now closed for good.

[QUOTE=Howie;2492486]I first met Marie in Zurich at Club Life in May 2011. She had spent some time in Switzerland during that year. Her service level there was off the charts. Interesting to learn that she was at LR as well.

On subsequent meet ups later in Oase during May & Sep 2012, her service level wasn't quite as good.

Howie.[/QUOTE]Arbitrage, 50 euro per 30 min at LR and 140 CHF per 30 min at Globe!

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2492426]Marie worked in Oase in late spring and the entire summer of year 2012 when she was 20 years old. She worked in LR in year 2011 when she was 19. She was a beautiful German blonde with charming blue eyes. However, her service was just average. There was nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]She must be in her late 20's now approaching 30's! Must have con some guy to marry her LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2492344]I have never been that much into public sex. Have received blow jobs in kino a few times but it did not add that much excitement or kink factor. Perhaps I was too uptight? I don't ever recall doing full on sex in public in any of these clubs. I don't mind watching however, LOL. That said, I have not seen public sex to any extent of late. Are the girls offering it to you, or do you seek them and do you pay extra for it? Do you feel like it adds an element of excitement, and you get off faster because you are being watched / envied?

Apart from perhaps being uptight admittedly, another thing about these public sex outings is that space is cramped. She can ride you cowgirl or doggie, but other positions are tough to pull off. I guess if you are the type that gets excited by it, you will overlook the physical comfort due to the added adrenaline.[/QUOTE]To each his own, I guess. I like being outside in the fresh air and sunshine instead of the stale air inside which is usually a mix of cigarette smoke, cheap perfume, and body odor.

There's an appeal for me in the chance to show that I'm a sexual being, which doesn't happen a lot for men in general. It's interesting to see and show this private aspect of humanity, which everyone has, but many people are reluctant to show. It can be like seeing someone who's serious all the time singing in the shower.

There's also an aspect of pride or ego. Sex can be like sport or dance, and it's satisfying when you turn out a bravura performance. I remember having an excellent session in the old kino in Oase and drawing a crowd. Not to say I'll ever have a chance to go down that route, or am even interested in doing so, but some of the more famous male porn stars were discovered this way.

The being watched can be a mixed bag because sometimes you look up and some middle-aged guy is staring, which is a less appealing sight than the girl I'm with. Most FKK patrons are pretty discreet, even when they're watching though.

I never found space to be an issue. Cowgirl, doggie and missionary are the typical positions, I'm surprised guys get into any circus acrobatic positions! No discomfort or adrenaline invovled.

Yeah, there's less public sex of late. I don't pay extra, I just propose a location, and if they say no, it's no big deal.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2492426]Marie worked in Oase in late spring and the entire summer of year 2012 when she was 20 years old. She worked in LR in year 2011 when she was 19. She was a beautiful German blonde with charming blue eyes. However, her service was just average. There was nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]Sounds just like what I have read about "Bambi" who used to be at Harmony in terms of being blonde, blue, beautiful, and German but with mediocre performance. I did not go with her because I didn't like the "tude" she displayed. And then I heard that her performance wasn't so great anyway, despite her looks. Good decision.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2492402]What years was Marie active at Oase? I only saw her at Colosseum in Augsburg in 2012/13 on one occasion as I was about to leave. She was in the jacuzzi with some guy and when she finished with him I went up to her to speak with her. She was very beautiful. Unfortunately, I had to go back to Munich where I worked in those days and so I spoke with her but decided I'll see her next time I come to Augsburg. Next time never happened as my company transferred me from Munich soon after!! I'd love to know what she is doing now. I'm sure she'd still be attractive. I read a rumour on ISG once of someone seeing her in Paris and another person spotted her in Frankfurt but I've got no idea!! I think for a time she was the most talked about girl on ISG.

Michelle from Switzerland? Rings a bell. Which clubs did she work? Yeh, sometimes we come across a girl we only ever see in a club once never to be seen again (like Sarah you mentioned). I remember a Bulgarian girl at Palace in 2007. Only ever saw her once, sessioned with her, Felice was her name, was mesmerised by her, and then she disappeared never to be seen by me again!

Janine at Sharks I never got a chance because she was always surrounded by a bunch of old German guys![/QUOTE]Michelle worked at Oase pre 2012. She had luscious bouncy breasts. She loved to do sex in different positions which I also enjoy and we must have done the entire kamasutra. What used to amaze me about her is that a year after our previous encounter she would recite to me in detail with relish every position we did the previous year. She had the most remarkable memory.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2492392]when i discovered FKK (Sharks and Oase) , it is 95% Romania, 5% other countries.

Why it was deffirenet before? What has changed?

After Covid19 Crazy world pandamic, will FKK have hot girls from all over Europe AGAIN?[/QUOTE]Who knows the reason for the change? Back in the early days Oase used to have beautiful Chinese girls and even Koreans. Mongering dynamics are continually changing and who knows how it would be post covid? Your guess is as good as mine.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492546]To each his own, I guess. I like being outside in the fresh air and sunshine instead of the stale air inside which is usually a mix of cigarette smoke, cheap perfume, and body odor.

There's an appeal for me in the chance to show that I'm a sexual being, which doesn't happen a lot for men in general. It's interesting to see and show this private aspect of humanity, which everyone has, but many people are reluctant to show. It can be like seeing someone who's serious all the time singing in the shower.

There's also an aspect of pride or ego. Sex can be like sport or dance, and it's satisfying when you turn out a bravura performance. I remember having an excellent session in the old kino in Oase and drawing a crowd. Not to say I'll ever have a chance to go down that route, or am even interested in doing so, but some of the more famous male porn stars were discovered this way.

The being watched can be a mixed bag because sometimes you look up and some middle-aged guy is staring, which is a less appealing sight than the girl I'm with. Most FKK patrons are pretty discreet, even when they're watching though.

I never found space to be an issue. Cowgirl, doggie and missionary are the typical positions, I'm surprised guys get into any circus acrobatic positions! No discomfort or adrenaline invovled.

Yeah, there's less public sex of late. I don't pay extra, I just propose a location, and if they say no, it's no big deal.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it. I do enjoy watching LOL. In my college sophomore year, my roommate dated this girl for a short while and they would go at it with me in the room and the girl was not shy; they were under the blankets but still I was like "dude, I am right here". He used to say it was a thrill for him, not sure what she felt and why she was not shy. Of course over the years, I have received some blow jobs in public in some clubs, although none in the last few years I can recall. I am not sure if the girls have become shy, or if the guys have, or if management has come down on them. I assumed guys like it because they like showing off or it must make them extra horny. When I received blow jobs, it was generally a prelude and we would pack up and go to the room after a couple of minutes but of course they are guys who conduct their entire session in the kino.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492546]To each his own, I guess. I like being outside in the fresh air and sunshine instead of the stale air inside which is usually a mix of cigarette smoke, cheap perfume, and body odor.

There's an appeal for me in the chance to show that I'm a sexual being, which doesn't happen a lot for men in general. It's interesting to see and show this private aspect of humanity, which everyone has, but many people are reluctant to show. It can be like seeing someone who's serious all the time singing in the shower.

There's also an aspect of pride or ego. Sex can be like sport or dance, and it's satisfying when you turn out a bravura performance. I remember having an excellent session in the old kino in Oase and drawing a crowd. Not to say I'll ever have a chance to go down that route, or am even interested in doing so, but some of the more famous male porn stars were discovered this way.

The being watched can be a mixed bag because sometimes you look up and some middle-aged guy is staring, which is a less appealing sight than the girl I'm with. Most FKK patrons are pretty discreet, even when they're watching though.

I never found space to be an issue. Cowgirl, doggie and missionary are the typical positions, I'm surprised guys get into any circus acrobatic positions! No discomfort or adrenaline invovled.

Yeah, there's less public sex of late. I don't pay extra, I just propose a location, and if they say no, it's no big deal.[/QUOTE]In the FKK setup, public sex is best in Globe and it's sister clubs, mainly because the management promotes it, customers like it, and even the prior shy girls learned how much fun it can be along with making money. No extra cash earning for the girls for public sex, but remember most girls are attention WG anyway and public sex feeds them into that fetish.

Back in the day, FKK World and Oase were excellent setup for public sex. Then the 2017 law fucked it up.

There is no crammed space issue if you are fucking on the stage or kino or a big couch in public in an FKK or a Swingers Club or a night club in Berlin. This is not the British Dogging thing you do in a small crammed car under the freeway LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2492548]Sounds just like what I have read about "Bambi" who used to be at Harmony in terms of being blonde, blue, beautiful, and German but with mediocre performance. I did not go with her because I didn't like the "tude" she displayed. And then I heard that her performance wasn't so great anyway, despite her looks. Good decision.[/QUOTE]Not my experience with Swedish face, blond German Bambi, but really friendly and real vagina potential and stamina, fucking her for more than 30 minutes, with my size and rhythm potential, I don't know many girls who could resist to such sport. If I met her again, if she wants, I would repeat. One of the prettiest face seen. I think always better to experience than to believe others.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2492475]How come you remember details of your each visit to the exact date, even time? Even it is few years ago, you remember the exact date and time LOL.[/QUOTE]Because I fall in love with all girls as write some here and as you think, I am lover bonobo and don't write anything except here. I m just very different.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2492571]Of course over the years, I have received some blow jobs in public in some clubs, although none in the last few years I can recall. I am not sure if the girls have become shy, or if the guys have, or if management has come down on them. I assumed guys like it because they like showing off or it must make them extra horny. When I received blow jobs, it was generally a prelude and we would pack up and go to the room after a couple of minutes but of course they are guys who conduct their entire session in the kino.[/QUOTE]I think it can go either way for the girls. It can be an advertisement for their services, but it can also raise expectations to an impossible degree. I can imagine some out of shape guy wanting to replicate the "dance" he sees a fitter guy having with a WG, booking her, and then getting disappointed he can't perform the same way and blaming her.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2492523]Thanks Howie and US Hobbyist for the extra info on Marie. I was in Germany in late 2011 and 2012 but I didn't go to Oase in those days as I preferred to monger more locally. A decision I regret! Does anyone recall what name she used in LR or indeed in Zurich? In Zurich you have to give a superior service I guess because of the higher prices it you want to survive! It's interesting everyone says she was beautiful but in Germany her service was limited. I wonder if that's why she preferred to work in LR and Oase instead of Zurich. Was she ever at Globe or Aphrodisia?

She probably chose high volume in Germany at 50/30 and less effort versus 140/30 or 90/30 in Zurich for full service!! But she was a stand out stunner in a room of beautiful girls and she knew she was beautiful so that was enough for guys to go mad for her. Beauty is the main reason many guys go to FKKs, moi included. I still don't think she was as beautiful as Megan though, having seen both but she had the added bonus of being German and aloof. That made too many guys intimidated by her looks and added to her legend. Marie if I remember correctly never sought guys out but waited like a Queen for guys to approach her. In her younger days when Saskia was stunningly beautiful (face better than Marie IMHO, body not) she also did the same approach of not running after guys and many guys told me or on here they were too intimidated to approach her icy demeanour. It's a good strategy if you have the top shelf looks to pull it off. These girls are master psychologists too. Sometimes they play hard to get as it increases their value.

Those of us who've been in FKKs have been lucky to fuck some real stunners.[/QUOTE]Same than German Linda who can't compete for face with Megan who is only Romanian, even when Megan lost a bit of freshness compare to Mainhattan when she was 19, when she will be 25 soon. On the other hand, Sofia is now prettier face than Megan, with more elegance and charm. Sofia is also prettier face than Sunny Aphro.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2492595]In the FKK setup, public sex is best in Globe and it's sister clubs, mainly because the management promotes it, customers like it, and even the prior shy girls learned how much fun it can be along with making money. No extra cash earning for the girls for public sex, but remember most girls are attention WG anyway and public sex feeds them into that fetish.

Back in the day, FKK World and Oase were excellent setup for public sex. Then the 2017 law fucked it up.

There is no crammed space issue if you are fucking on the stage or kino or a big couch in public in an FKK or a Swingers Club or a night club in Berlin. This is not the British Dogging thing you do in a small crammed car under the freeway LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Globe is fun, but there's no outdoors space except for the roof, and it was always cold when I visited. The public sex days can also be a minefield because while management promotes it, a lot of punters show up those days specifically looking for a show and get too close, rubbing themselves through their robes.

I really like outdoors and the pavilion at Oase, or their little cabins, or the spaces around the perimeter at Sharks. Which of Globe's sister clubs would you recommend? Can you name the "Swingers Club or a night club in Berlin" you've been to? Sounds like a scene I'd enjoy checking out.

Good point about the 2017 law with the condom causing the reduced frequency of public sex.

EL: each time I saw public sex in a FKK it was just ugly, it is behaving like animals, fat, old man fucking young girls, I will never do it, like AO.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492664]Not my experience with Swedish face, blond German Bambi, but really friendly and real vagina potential and stamina, fucking her for more than 30 minutes, with my size and rhythm potential, I don't know many girls who could resist to such sport. If I met her again, if she wants, I would repeat. One of the prettiest face seen. I think always better to experience than to believe others.[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, it was you yourself who said before that she just kind of laid there. Pretty to look at while you fuck her, but not much else! To me, this is not a primo fuck. Might be OK under some circumstances, but nothing to write home about in my view.

Mongers are like fisherman or hunter, they always are the best fucker, fisherman catches the biggest fish and hunter shut the biggest deer.)) I forget they are also the best drivers may even better than Loeb or Alonso.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2492680]If I remember correctly, it was you yourself who said before that she just kind of laid there. Pretty to look at while you fuck her, but not much else! To me, this is not a primo fuck. Might be OK under some circumstances, but nothing to write home about in my view.[/QUOTE]Not wow to dream about, but above average for Germans and far prettier than average. Nothing bad about her, I could even repeat.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492674]EL: each time I saw public sex in a FKK it was just ugly, it is behaving like animals, fat, old man fucking young girls, I will never do it, like AO.[/QUOTE]EL,

A girl has a choice to refuse to fuck in public if it's wrong for her professional image. Should only super fit be allowed to fuck in public? I think it's nonsense. In FKK, by definition, anybody has equal rights to get naked and have sex. Sex is not ugly, it's liberating and humane regardless. Why not relax, open your mind and enjoy life?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492667]I think it can go either way for the girls. It can be an advertisement for their services, but it can also raise expectations to an impossible degree. I can imagine some out of shape guy wanting to replicate the "dance" he sees a fitter guy having with a WG, booking her, and then getting disappointed he can't perform the same way and blaming her.[/QUOTE]My guess is that most girls are no longer for it. Gino said 2017 law killed it, but that law had nothing about public sex. I guess you could say the girl does not like to give a BBBJ in public as that is technically illegal. However the real ramification of 2017 law has been price hikes across the board. I bet if a guy slipped in a 20 extra the girl would still blow him in public. I think girls are self conscious about other girls seeing them in sex acts and want to keep that to themselves behind the doors. Some girls are less self conscious but many are.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492702]Not wow to dream about, but above average for Germans and far prettier than average. Nothing bad about her, I could even repeat.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking, like Mr. Ho I have received very good service from German tutes at the FKKs. Very dirty (I know you don't like that) with some outstanding anal sessions in there too. I just wish that there were more pretty German girls to choose from working the clubs. I did find Bambi to be quite attractive optics wise. Definitely my type looks wise.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492671]Yeah, Globe is fun, but there's no outdoors space except for the roof, and it was always cold when I visited. The public sex days can also be a minefield because while management promotes it, a lot of punters show up those days specifically looking for a show and get too close, rubbing themselves through their robes.

I really like outdoors and the pavilion at Oase, or their little cabins, or the spaces around the perimeter at Sharks. Which of Globe's sister clubs would you recommend? Can you name the "Swingers Club or a night club in Berlin" you've been to? Sounds like a scene I'd enjoy checking out.

Good point about the 2017 law with the condom causing the reduced frequency of public sex.[/QUOTE]Kitkat club (Berlin) was fun but kinda small. Need to try Berghain there.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2492548]Sounds just like what I have read about "Bambi" who used to be at Harmony in terms of being blonde, blue, beautiful, and German but with mediocre performance. I did not go with her because I didn't like the "tude" she displayed. And then I heard that her performance wasn't so great anyway, despite her looks. Good decision.[/QUOTE]I enjoy punishing such beautiful girl in room fucking her doggy style and spunk her on her ass and try to put finger in her ass saying "chien, chien! " like most honorable French man, pierre woodman! LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2492671]Yeah, Globe is fun, but there's no outdoors space except for the roof, and it was always cold when I visited. The public sex days can also be a minefield because while management promotes it, a lot of punters show up those days specifically looking for a show and get too close, rubbing themselves through their robes.

I really like outdoors and the pavilion at Oase, or their little cabins, or the spaces around the perimeter at Sharks. Which of Globe's sister clubs would you recommend? Can you name the "Swingers Club or a night club in Berlin" you've been to? Sounds like a scene I'd enjoy checking out.

Good point about the 2017 law with the condom causing the reduced frequency of public sex.[/QUOTE]Roof can be good public sex place, but yeah cold, they should buy this out door heater they have in cafe!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2492729]Generally speaking, like Mr. Ho I have received very good service from German tutes at the FKKs. Very dirty (I know you don't like that) with some outstanding anal sessions in there too. I just wish that there were more pretty German girls to choose from working the clubs. I did find Bambi to be quite attractive optics wise. Definitely my type looks wise.[/QUOTE]I'm not old German Swiss who like to fuck Germany. For my love in bed like at home way, I don't sell love from some Germans is a run away like I did with Stella Palace, but few lose control for this, but Romanian princess types are usually higher level for my game and I like when they say: too much love with you, I can't work after you, but they return to me, sometimes even on same day. All is about love for my sex, no interest without, but only in brothels land. As say some of my regulars: you are able to control, not difficult, just have to look at business.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492674]EL: each time I saw public sex in a FKK it was just ugly, it is behaving like animals, fat, old man fucking young girls, I will never do it, like AO.[/QUOTE]I also never saw a athlete look nor even good fit looking fucking in public, but some who need to play porn but without the size. Megan is fucked in public at Globe, but don't want with me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492674]EL: each time I saw public sex in a FKK it was just ugly, it is behaving like animals, fat, old man fucking young girls, I will never do it, like AO.[/QUOTE]That scene is hot! I would like to see it, like a porn movie. Maybe a gang bang from 3 fat ugly men fucking a beautiful teen, even better!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492496]I never care about the money when I go with a girl, prostitute or not, I only care about beauty. I mostly do 1 session and I prefer to spend 300 or 500 or 800 with 1 girl and to be very satisfy than going with 4 or more. At the end of the end it changes what to spend 50 or 70 or 100 specially for the guys flying to Germany they have a lot of additional costs. I never do 50 euro sessions. Many times guys asked me how many sessions I had and they were so proud to tell me they had 5+ and when I asked them with whom. Mostly were enable to answer, they are just basic consumers and I am a hedonist.[/QUOTE]Interesting! Can you name some girls you have spent that amount of money for just one session? And how long did it last and what kind of service?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492501]. Real Russians or Ukrainians can t get registered in Germany.[/QUOTE]So this is the reason we don't see girls from these countries? I have met only a few girls claiming to be from Ukraine and Lithuania but they were probably lying. Russian? Never met in FKK.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2492697]Mongers are like fisherman or hunter, they always are the best fucker, fisherman catches the biggest fish and hunter shut the biggest deer.)) I forget they are also the best drivers may even better than Loeb or Alonso.[/QUOTE]Like Mike Tyson once said in the interview sitting next to Spike Lee! I am a prostitute hunter LOL!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2492523]Thanks Howie and US Hobbyist for the extra info on Marie. I was in Germany in late 2011 and 2012 but I didn't go to Oase in those days as I preferred to monger more locally. A decision I regret! Does anyone recall what name she used in LR or indeed in Zurich? In Zurich you have to give a superior service I guess because of the higher prices it you want to survive! It's interesting everyone says she was beautiful but in Germany her service was limited. I wonder if that's why she preferred to work in LR and Oase instead of Zurich. Was she ever at Globe or Aphrodisia?

She probably chose high volume in Germany at 50/30 and less effort versus 140/30 or 90/30 in Zurich for full service!! But she was a stand out stunner in a room of beautiful girls and she knew she was beautiful so that was enough for guys to go mad for her. Beauty is the main reason many guys go to FKKs, moi included. I still don't think she was as beautiful as Megan though, having seen both but she had the added bonus of being German and aloof. That made too many guys intimidated by her looks and added to her legend. Marie if I remember correctly never sought guys out but waited like a Queen for guys to approach her. In her younger days when Saskia was stunningly beautiful (face better than Marie IMHO, body not) she also did the same approach of not running after guys and many guys told me or on here they were too intimidated to approach her icy demeanour. It's a good strategy if you have the top shelf looks to pull it off. These girls are master psychologists too. Sometimes they play hard to get as it increases their value.

Those of us who've been in FKKs have been lucky to fuck some real stunners.[/QUOTE]This actress is looking quite similar to Marie!

[URL]https://www.youporn.com/watch/9089716/nubiles-porn-18-yr-old-cutie-craves-big-dick-and-facials/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2492922]Like Mike Tyson once said in the interview sitting next to Spike Lee! I am a prostitute hunter LOL![/QUOTE]I always double check important info I read on ISG. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzZvH1Sf2Vg[/URL].

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2492845]So this is the reason we don't see girls from these countries? I have met only a few girls claiming to be from Ukraine and Lithuania but they were probably lying. Russian? Never met in FKK.[/QUOTE]Just last week I met a Russian girl in an FKK. She grew up in a part of a Russia where they don't speak any Russian though. I told her that I only like Romanians.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2492844]Interesting! Can you name some girls you have spent that amount of money for just one session? And how long did it last and what kind of service?[/QUOTE]I don't know about EL but I certainly can. My last session with Johanna, De, Globe was 500 CHF; my last session with Carmen and Erika was 750 CHF (both Romanian, Globe). Last time I went to Aphrodisia I spent 1500 CHF on 3 sessions. In Germany, if I like a girl I extend by 30 minute amounts continuously. I did a session with Larissa at Harmony which went on for 2.5 hours and cost me, I can't remember, but it's was north of 350 euros. It's not so uncommon. At Atmos I once spent 700 euros in a hour session with a threesome with Alicia and Yulia. Obviously, the service would have to be great to extend that much or pay these amounts and 450 euros for a session with 18 year old Shirin.

[QUOTE=Frenchkiss75;2492979]This actress is looking quite similar to Marie!

[URL]https://www.youporn.com/watch/9089716/nubiles-porn-18-yr-old-cutie-craves-big-dick-and-facials/[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen Marie in real life. There is a little bit of resemblance. There are pics of Marie on ISG.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493000]Just last week I met a Russian girl in an FKK. She grew up in a part of a Russia where they don't speak any Russian though. I told her that I only like Romanians.[/QUOTE]Part of Russia where they don't speak Russian? On the moon? Russian ID can't work registered in Germany.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2492793]I'm not old German Swiss who like to fuck Germany. For my love in bed like at home way, I don't sell love from some Germans is a run away like I did with Stella Palace, but few lose control for this, but Romanian princess types are usually higher level for my game and I like when they say: too much love with you, I can't work after you, but they return to me, sometimes even on same day. All is about love for my sex, no interest without, but only in brothels land. As say some of my regulars: you are able to control, not difficult, just have to look at business.[/QUOTE]Romanian gypsy king for some, Romanian princess as you call them to you, it is just matter of different taste!

I do fuck some Romanian stunners too on the side though, I do both LOL.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2492523]Thanks Howie and US Hobbyist for the extra info on Marie. I was in Germany in late 2011 and 2012 but I didn't go to Oase in those days as I preferred to monger more locally. A decision I regret! Does anyone recall what name she used in LR or indeed in Zurich? In Zurich you have to give a superior service I guess because of the higher prices it you want to survive! It's interesting everyone says she was beautiful but in Germany her service was limited. I wonder if that's why she preferred to work in LR and Oase instead of Zurich. Was she ever at Globe or Aphrodisia?

She probably chose high volume in Germany at 50/30 and less effort versus 140/30 or 90/30 in Zurich for full service!! But she was a stand out stunner in a room of beautiful girls and she knew she was beautiful so that was enough for guys to go mad for her. Beauty is the main reason many guys go to FKKs, moi included. I still don't think she was as beautiful as Megan though, having seen both but she had the added bonus of being German and aloof. That made too many guys intimidated by her looks and added to her legend. Marie if I remember correctly never sought guys out but waited like a Queen for guys to approach her. In her younger days when Saskia was stunningly beautiful (face better than Marie IMHO, body not) she also did the same approach of not running after guys and many guys told me or on here they were too intimidated to approach her icy demeanour. It's a good strategy if you have the top shelf looks to pull it off. These girls are master psychologists too. Sometimes they play hard to get as it increases their value.

Those of us who've been in FKKs have been lucky to fuck some real stunners.[/QUOTE]Huh. I never knew that Marie waited like a Queen. Allow me another humblebrag then -- I have been approached by her for sessions but it might be because business was slow that day, or because she knew I was pretty dumbstruck in her presence and I was a sure thing, even though we'd fucked even that day.

To your questions, Sebastiane, she also really liked her home city, which is why she may have chosen to be in Oase and LR instead of Zurich.

Unfortunately, I never experienced Megan, I don't know who she is. I wish I did!

One thing I learned from observing Marie is that there are definitely classy and non-classy WGs, and I think you can tell this from a lot of different ways.

She was pretty healthy in her diet, which seems to fit my impression of her, in contrast to a lot of the less classy WGs, who let it all hang out, eat the fried things or sprinkle their salads with diet drugs, smoke constantly.

Or maybe I'm just imagining things.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493000]Just last week I met a Russian girl in an FKK. She grew up in a part of a Russia where they don't speak any Russian though. I told her that I only like Romanians.[/QUOTE]LOL this happens to me when I meet Greeks at FKKs too!

[QUOTE=Frenchkiss75;2492979]This actress is looking quite similar to Marie!

[URL]https://www.youporn.com/watch/9089716/nubiles-porn-18-yr-old-cutie-craves-big-dick-and-facials/[/URL][/QUOTE]There's somewhat of a facial resemblance, the small mouth and very light skin. But I think Milana Fox is a lot thicker than I remember Marie.

Devon's scene in Jack's Teen America Mission #5 often slaked my thirst for Marie.

[URL]https://www.hotmovies.com/video/328244/Jack-s-Teen-America-Mission-5/[/URL]

I can't say I remember exactly what she looks like now, it's been almost a decade -- but Devon's look is sort of how I remember her.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493000]Just last week I met a Russian girl in an FKK. She grew up in a part of a Russia where they don't speak any Russian though. I told her that I only like Romanians.[/QUOTE]I think I met that same non-Russian speaking "Russian" Poly! They aren't very bright either LOL! Yes, best to stick with Romanians LOLOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2492994]I always double check important info I read on ISG. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzZvH1Sf2Vg[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is that one LOL, it cracked me up when I first saw it few years ago LOL! I actually saw him in the first fight he had in Tokyo, which was done in second rounds or so, but I missed his second fight in Tokyo where he was knocked down for first time! I wish I saw that one instead, but it is good that he found his second career after boxing and I must say, he can talk, he is a funny guy LOL.

Having said that, I have been prostitute hunter since age 17 began in Switzerland and I have been prostitute hunter ever since on the side of normal girl till I turn 26, and sine then I turned almost full prostitute hunter and I will always be a prostitute hunter for ever!

You get bored with a lot of things in life as everything become just repetitive, but I must say, fucking new young stunner girls are still something that excite me! Excitement faded comparison to before because I am used to fucking stunner, but excitement is still there each time I find new young stunner I am about to fuck!

Based on this beautiful fact of my life, it is hard to understand guys who can fuck uglier, older women! They may be nice person, but you do not have sex with nice do you? You have sex with beauty, not nice! We men are program that way and it is unnatural to go against that even though most men do! When it comes to sex, I stick to my natural instinct, which is I love having sex with young beautiful stunner level girls one after another! Few per year is good for me, but they have to be stunner and young and new!

I am a Natural Born Prostitute Hunter LOL!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2493070]Huh. I never knew that Marie waited like a Queen. Allow me another humblebrag then -- I have been approached by her for sessions but it might be because business was slow that day, or because she knew I was pretty dumbstruck in her presence and I was a sure thing, even though we'd fucked even that day.

To your questions, Sebastiane, she also really liked her home city, which is why she may have chosen to be in Oase and LR instead of Zurich.

Unfortunately, I never experienced Megan, I don't know who she is. I wish I did!

One thing I learned from observing Marie is that there are definitely classy and non-classy WGs, and I think you can tell this from a lot of different ways.

She was pretty healthy in her diet, which seems to fit my impression of her, in contrast to a lot of the less classy WGs, who let it all hang out, eat the fried things or sprinkle their salads with diet drugs, smoke constantly.

Or maybe I'm just imagining things.[/QUOTE]Tendencies in FKK are the following:

Classy=German WG.

Trashy or gypsy=Romanian WG.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2493000]Just last week I met a Russian girl in an FKK. She grew up in a part of a Russia where they don't speak any Russian though. I told her that I only like Romanians.[/QUOTE]She sound like Romanian girl LOL!

If I had known that was the last time I'd see Marie I'the have given her 500 to a 1 K for an hour. Alas I didn't know.

Who was Livia BTW? I recall her name being mentioned a lot too but never knew her.

Anyway some Netflix executive should make a series about Romanian (and other) girls who go to Germany to work in an FKK and their struggles and joys. It would be a big hit and we could have multiple seasons. Even a documentary about that would be interesting.

[QUOTE=Frenchkiss75;2492979]This actress is looking quite similar to Marie!

[URL]https://www.youporn.com/watch/9089716/nubiles-porn-18-yr-old-cutie-craves-big-dick-and-facials/[/URL][/QUOTE]I agree with Jmioffe, Marie was slimmer than her and to my taste better looking.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2493070]Huh. I never knew that Marie waited like a Queen. Allow me another humblebrag then -- I have been approached by her for sessions but it might be because business was slow that day, or because she knew I was pretty dumbstruck in her presence and I was a sure thing, even though we'd fucked even that day.

To your questions, Sebastiane, she also really liked her home city, which is why she may have chosen to be in Oase and LR instead of Zurich.

Unfortunately, I never experienced Megan, I don't know who she is. I wish I did!

One thing I learned from observing Marie is that there are definitely classy and non-classy WGs, and I think you can tell this from a lot of different ways.

She was pretty healthy in her diet, which seems to fit my impression of her, in contrast to a lot of the less classy WGs, who let it all hang out, eat the fried things or sprinkle their salads with diet drugs, smoke constantly.

Or maybe I'm just imagining things.[/QUOTE]I will preface it by saying that it is to my taste but Marie was hotter than Megan. I sessioned both and, of the two, will choose Marie any day although I really liked Megan's friendliness.

Marie was indeed, in her mind, a queen and I cannot imagine her approaching anyone for a session. I never ever saw that. On the slowest of days she was hounded down by gents.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2493201]I agree with Jmioffe, Marie was slimmer than her and to my taste better looking.[/QUOTE]I think Marie looked like younger version of the nude model Katya Clover, but even better.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2493202]I will preface it by saying that it is to my taste but Marie was hotter than Megan. I sessioned both and, of the two, will choose Marie any day although I really liked Megan's friendliness.

Marie was indeed, in her mind, a queen and I cannot imagine her approaching anyone for a session. I never ever saw that. On the slowest of days she was hounded down by gents.[/QUOTE]I agree Marie had a (slightly) hotter body than Megan but I thought (to my taste) Megan has a more attractive face. The first time I saw Marie nude I was "wow, what a body! When I saw Megan nude first (at Globe) I was, " wow, what a beautiful face!" For me both are 10's. Though I didn't session with Marie but if I had to choose just on body plus face I'd go with Megan. In terms of looks Linda (Globe) was more like Marie I think. All 3 are definite headturners.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493248]I agree Marie had a (slightly) hotter body than Megan but I thought (to my taste) Megan has a more attractive face. The first time I saw Marie nude I was "wow, what a body! When I saw Megan nude first (at Globe) I was, " wow, what a beautiful face!" For me both are 10's. Though I didn't session with Marie but if I had to choose just on body plus face I'd go with Megan. In terms of looks Linda (Globe) was more like Marie I think. All 3 are definite headturners.[/QUOTE]Linda is only average face with her nose, for me. Never saw Marie, didn't know FKK at her time.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2493215]I think Marie looked like younger version of the nude model Katya Clover, but even better.[/QUOTE]Katya Clover's pretty hot, but I don't see the resemblance in the face, maybe the same body shape. But KC is smaller, breasted, dark-haired and darker skinned. Marie was a total ice princess.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493006]I don't know about EL but I certainly can. My last session with Johanna, De, Globe was 500 CHF; my last session with Carmen and Erika was 750 CHF (both Romanian, Globe). Last time I went to Aphrodisia I spent 1500 CHF on 3 sessions. In Germany, if I like a girl I extend by 30 minute amounts continuously. I did a session with Larissa at Harmony which went on for 2.5 hours and cost me, I can't remember, but it's was north of 350 euros. It's not so uncommon. At Atmos I once spent 700 euros in a hour session with a threesome with Alicia and Yulia. Obviously, the service would have to be great to extend that much or pay these amounts and 450 euros for a session with 18 year old Shirin.[/QUOTE]At Samya on end of July 2016, had more than 4 hours full sex with Russian Katea who was fire in bed, she asked me only once to go for a drink, she was back in less than 5 minutes, for only 350 €, because I'm poor, my longest ever room, when had some for 2 h30/3 hours. Kissed some girls for around 45 minutes for foreplay.

Some reports in German (for example dated 07.07) :

[URL]https://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc/showthread.php?t=59548&page=35[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493199]If I had known that was the last time I'd see Marie I'the have given her 500 to a 1 K for an hour. Alas I didn't know.

Who was Livia BTW? I recall her name being mentioned a lot too but never knew her.

Anyway some Netflix executive should make a series about Romanian (and other) girls who go to Germany to work in an FKK and their struggles and joys. It would be a big hit and we could have multiple seasons. Even a documentary about that would be interesting.[/QUOTE]NO. I had a friend say something similar, and I tell you what I told him:

The last thing I want is a ton of idiots getting inspired by something they saw on TV and making their way into this world that I enjoy. It's just going to drive up prices, drive down service, and introduce more of the masses. And for what? So you can feel cool and recognized by Netflix? Why would you make that trade? Why do you guys have stupid fantasies like this.

No, let them continue to feel this is a weird subculture and that what we're doing is immoral and illegal and not worthy of any attention. That's the only way it will survive.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2493303]NO.

The last thing I want is a ton of idiots getting inspired by something they saw on TV and making their way into this world that I enjoy. It's just going to drive up prices, drive down service, and introduce more of the masses. And for what? So you can feel cool and recognized by Netflix? Why would you make that trade? Why do you guys have stupid fantasies like this.

No, let them continue to feel this is a weird subculture and that what we're doing is immoral and illegal and not worthy of any attention. That's the only way it will survive.[/QUOTE]That's a fair point. I hadn't thought of it from that point of view. But it's not illegal so that part is moot.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2493138]Tendencies in FKK are the following:

Classy=German WG.

Trashy or gypsy=Romanian WG.[/QUOTE]You gotta be kidding me right? I don't think that's the dividing line between classy and trashy at all. Not even close. Fucked enough German tutes in the ass and spewed on their lips to think for one moment that German = classy while Romanian = trashy. I can make no such distinction, except for maybe in some stereotypical kind of judgment. My real world experience tells me otherwise.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2493337]You gotta be kidding me right? I don't think that's the dividing line between classy and trashy at all. Not even close. Fucked enough German tutes in the ass and spewed on their lips to think for one moment that German = classy while Romanian = trashy. I can make no such distinction, except for maybe in some stereotypical kind of judgment. My real world experience tells me otherwise.[/QUOTE]I agree with The Cane. You can't make any distinction based on where a girl comes from unless you're dumb or a xenophobe. I've had amazing experiences with Romanians and Germans.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2493337]You gotta be kidding me right? I don't think that's the dividing line between classy and trashy at all. Not even close. Fucked enough German tutes in the ass and spewed on their lips to think for one moment that German = classy while Romanian = trashy. I can make no such distinction, except for maybe in some stereotypical kind of judgment. My real world experience tells me otherwise.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but since someone was making that judgement, I laid it out my point of view in radical way!

I do go both with both German and Romanian, one is more my main taste and other is my exotic taste, but I go with anyone whom I consider stunner!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493317]That's a fair point. I hadn't thought of it from that point of view. But it's not illegal so that part is moot.[/QUOTE]Thank you for considering my point of view and not being defensive. It isn't illegal in Germany, but it is illegal in many other places. Right now going frequently to Germany does not raise eyebrows in the way it would if I were to go frequently to Thailand.

But if a Netflix show let people know that P4 P was legal in Germany, I can imagine that would also negatively affect my experience as an FKK patron.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2493351]I agree with you, but since someone was making that judgement, I laid it out my point of view in radical way!

I do go both with both German and Romanian, one is more my main taste and other is my exotic taste, but I go with anyone whom I consider stunner![/QUOTE]I didn't make that judgment based on nationality. If you look at my comment, I was talking about habits like diet.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2493372]I didn't make that judgment based on nationality. If you look at my comment, I was talking about habits like diet.[/QUOTE]I was not referring to you by the way but referring to biasedly Romanian lover! I do both Romanian and German as I wrote, all it matter is whether the girl is stunner or not!

As for diet, I have been to Romania for holiday and I even ski there and food there is fine like every nation has great cuisine, but I do, so as fair third party will still rank Japanese and French as top food followed by Spanish and Italian! The depth of gourmet and craftsmanship is deepest in Japanese and French cuisine though!

However, I like all food from all over the world!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2493371]Thank you for considering my point of view and not being defensive. It isn't illegal in Germany, but it is illegal in many other places. Right now going frequently to Germany does not raise eyebrows in the way it would if I were to go frequently to Thailand.

But if a Netflix show let people know that P4 P was legal in Germany, I can imagine that would also negatively affect my experience as an FKK patron.[/QUOTE]Actually it is good point, as a monger less people knows about FKK, better it is for us monger and there are enough already to sustain the industry and there are enough FKK!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2493215]I think Marie looked like younger version of the nude model Katya Clover, but even better.[/QUOTE]Facially for me, Marie had that bit of a young Alicia Silverstone (actress) look about her mixed in with the body of the hot Ukrainian porn actress Nancy A.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493248]I agree Marie had a (slightly) hotter body than Megan but I thought (to my taste) Megan has a more attractive face. The first time I saw Marie nude I was "wow, what a body! When I saw Megan nude first (at Globe) I was, " wow, what a beautiful face!" For me both are 10's. Though I didn't session with Marie but if I had to choose just on body plus face I'd go with Megan. In terms of looks Linda (Globe) was more like Marie I think. All 3 are definite headturners.[/QUOTE]I certainly would not argue with anyone who says that Megan has a more beautiful face but for me I prefer Marie's face, I suppose its just personal taste.

[QUOTE=Howie;2493586]Facially for me, Marie had that bit of a young Alicia Silverstone (actress) look about her mixed in with the body of the hot Ukrainian porn actress Nancy A.[/QUOTE]Sexy pretty.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493199].............Anyway some Netflix executive should make a series about Romanian (and other) girls who go to Germany to work in an FKK and their struggles and joys. It would be a big hit and we could have multiple seasons. Even a documentary about that would be interesting.[/QUOTE]I was fortunate enough to have mongered in NYC in the 70's. In those days there were thousands of hookers plying their trade on the streets and numerous clubs and peep shows especially around 42nd street and Broadway where you could see striptease, sex acts and even participate as regularly as you want. Those were my best mongering days. HBO did a series on this called "The Deuce" which brought back memories but certainly was a dramatized and watered down version of the real thing.

On the night of Saturday 7 March this year I was in Sharks and the scene was wild with music blaring and lots of naked women dancing and cavorting and mongers weaving in between to and fro. I stood at the side of the entrance to the restaurant near the game machines facing the bar taking in the activities and thought to myself that some time in the future a television series or movie is going to be made of this only that it would never capture the essence of the scene that I was witnessing at the time. It was the wildest I had ever seen Sharks. The storm before the calm.

People who've never been to an FKK can never know what it's like! On a good day it's like an earthly paradise. Even on a bad day it's better than what most people will experience.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2493679]People who've never been to an FKK can never know what it's like! On a good day it's like an earthly paradise. Even on a bad day it's better than what most people will experience.[/QUOTE]It is best format of brothel that has ever been created for mankind, this is for sure!

EL: sorry but I can't agree with you, for me having a appointment with a escort or a girl I know, first having a nice diner together, may be some shopping, discussing together, and after going in a nice hotel, spending the night together without any rush, stress. This experience is far above any FKK visit. I never do this with a girl I meet the first time, we need to have some chemistry and positive connections.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2493802]EL: sorry but I can't agree with you, for me having a appointment with a escort or a girl I know, first having a nice diner together, may be some shopping, discussing together, and after going in a nice hotel, spending the night together without any rush, stress. This experience is far above any FKK visit. I never do this with a girl I meet the first time, we need to have some chemistry and positive connections.[/QUOTE]All this sounds nice and romantic but it costs too much. Dinner and presents and expensive hotel in addition to her fee for her time with you? Is it really worth it just to empty your balls?

It is not your real life girlfriend but just another prostitute.

EL: sorry for my poor writing, no there is no cost for the ex working girls, they will never accept to be paid, they quit the job and are very proud of that.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2493802]EL: sorry but I can't agree with you, for me having a appointment with a escort or a girl I know, first having a nice diner together, may be some shopping, discussing together, and after going in a nice hotel, spending the night together without any rush, stress. This experience is far above any FKK visit. I never do this with a girl I meet the first time, we need to have some chemistry and positive connections.[/QUOTE]Why don't you get normal girlfriend? LOL!

For me, I do not like all this dinner, shopping, listening to bullshits etc, so I like escorts and FKK, I want go directly to best sex LOL!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2493923]All this sounds nice and romantic but it costs too much. Dinner and presents and expensive hotel in addition to her fee for her time with you? Is it really worth it just to empty your balls?

It is not your real life girlfriend but just another prostitute.[/QUOTE]True but it is a great experience. I've had a few experiences like that with sugar babies and the cost was about 350-450 euros so not so much. In Berlin once when I was feeling extravagant it cost more because I stayed at a 5 star Schlosshotel with an ex ballerina I met on Seeking. That was an expensive evening but unforgettable. Fine dining dinner with champagne, cigar in the cigar lounge, nice sex, condoms brought by room service since we ran out!

EL: I was married 25 years, lived with my ex 30+ years without going to another girl, after that 15 years of mongering with 1000+ experiences. Since 2018 it is more and more difficult more me to find young, fresh, natural beauties in the FKK, some possibilities still exist in German escort agencies but also more and more hard. May be also I am looking for something I can't find so I protect myself from the sex addiction, nevertheless since that I drastically reduced my FKK visits and escorting, in 2019 for example probably 10 FKK visits, 0 room.

I don't want a fix relation, the way it works now, several nice long weekends through the year, with one of the 2 beautiful girls, we know each other very well, 0 stress just happy to meet and have good time together they are free and I am free.

I guess you are from Japan or at least Asia, please don't tell me that listening is bullshit, this is really part of this sophisticated culture, listening, speaking, explaining.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2493992]Why don't you get normal girlfriend? LOL!

For me, I do not like all this dinner, shopping, listening to bullshits etc, so I like escorts and FKK, I want go directly to best sex LOL![/QUOTE]For me dinner, cinema, shopping, long chats, etc. only make sense with a girl who is knowledgeable and a good conversationalist; I've not met any escort of that nature. Wining and dining an educated professional can be fun in itself but not getting any after the expense is BS and is the norm.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2494143]For me dinner, cinema, shopping, long chats, etc. only make sense with a girl who is knowledgeable and a good conversationalist; I've not met any escort of that nature. Wining and dining an educated professional can be fun in itself but not getting any after the expense is BS and is the norm.[/QUOTE]It's too bad you can't say you've ever met a working girl with those qualities, especially given how long you say you've been mongering. Since the 70's! Well, I most certainly have met many working girls who are knowledgeable and know how to hold an intelligent conversation. That said, given where I met them, I wasn't interested in dating them or anything like that. Let's just keep it in the club or wherever we met. And then let's just have sex. Maybe I will see you the next time. And maybe I won't. Seems to me that if you've been patronizing tutes since the 70's, but say you've never met a knowledgeable one, that you just haven't been willing to give anybody a chance, and don't care to. That's fine too though. After all, at the end of the day, most of us mongers just want a good fuck at a fair price, and that's it!

Isn't it odd when someone who prefers escorts, not FKKs, posts mostly on the FKK Forums, not on the Escorts / general forums? Maybe some value-added posts (from him) in the Escorts forum could be helpful to the fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2494009]True but it is a great experience. I've had a few experiences like that with sugar babies and the cost was about 350-450 euros so not so much. In Berlin once when I was feeling extravagant it cost more because I stayed at a 5 star Schlosshotel with an ex ballerina I met on Seeking. That was an expensive evening but unforgettable. Fine dining dinner with champagne, cigar in the cigar lounge, nice sex, condoms brought by room service since we ran out![/QUOTE]A high class escort will not be happy with 400 euros. That is just for the expensive dinner, not to mention the presents for shopping. Why would I go shopping with a prostitute to expensive shops anyway? The entire experience including dinner, shopping and a night with a high class could reach 4-5 k easily. I prefer a girlfriend sorry even if she doesn't have the stunning look of the escort.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2494143]For me dinner, cinema, shopping, long chats, etc. only make sense with a girl who is knowledgeable and a good conversationalist; I've not met any escort of that nature. Wining and dining an educated professional can be fun in itself but not getting any after the expense is BS and is the norm.[/QUOTE]I agree, and I haven't met any either, except one.

99 % have very low education and they just want to squeeze as much as they can.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2493992]Why don't you get normal girlfriend? LOL!

For me, I do not like all this dinner, shopping, listening to bullshits etc, so I like escorts and FKK, I want go directly to best sex LOL![/QUOTE]I guess there are two categories of mongers. Those who see all women like holes and those who want something more like EL.

I like something more too in order to create the right chemistry to boost my sexual desire for the girl but I wouldn't do all that shopping and dinner thing. It is too fake for me when I know it is all about money.

I believe those who go in FKK and see them like holes have failed with women in real life and feel special just by fucking prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2494175]A high class escort will not be happy with 400 euros. That is just for the expensive dinner, not to mention the presents for shopping. Why would I go shopping with a prostitute to expensive shops anyway? The entire experience including dinner, shopping and a night with a high class could reach 4-5 k easily. I prefer a girlfriend sorry even if she doesn't have the stunning look of the escort.[/QUOTE]She wasn't an escort but a SB on all the occasions I've done that. Twice was a university student, one was an ex ballerina, and the most beautiful of all was a journalist.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2494251]I guess there are two categories of mongers. Those who see all women like holes and those who want something more like EL.

I like something more too in order to create the right chemistry to boost my sexual desire for the girl but I wouldn't do all that shopping and dinner thing. It is too fake for me when I know it is all about money.

I believe those who go in FKK and see them like holes have failed with women in real life and feel special just by fucking prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Chemistry is there once the talk begin or there is not, so no need for dinner and bullshit talking, in FKK I has one of most amazing sex with chemistry, but there was no need to go to shopping or dinner or talk some bullshit, just need to discuss a bit about service and general chit chat is enough to build chemistry, and sometimes girls shows you pic of her life back home, but I do not like it or dislike it or hate it as I am not too into it, and beside photos, I do not believe too much in what they say, I mean in most cases we do not even know their real names are real or not LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494064]EL: I was married 25 years, lived with my ex 30+ years without going to another girl, after that 15 years of mongering with 1000+ experiences. Since 2018 it is more and more difficult more me to find young, fresh, natural beauties in the FKK, some possibilities still exist in German escort agencies but also more and more hard. May be also I am looking for something I can't find so I protect myself from the sex addiction, nevertheless since that I drastically reduced my FKK visits and escorting, in 2019 for example probably 10 FKK visits, 0 room.

I don't want a fix relation, the way it works now, several nice long weekends through the year, with one of the 2 beautiful girls, we know each other very well, 0 stress just happy to meet and have good time together they are free and I am free.

I guess you are from Japan or at least Asia, please don't tell me that listening is bullshit, this is really part of this sophisticated culture, listening, speaking, explaining.[/QUOTE]Yes, listening is important in most cultures, but I am saying I do not want to listen to bullshit of prostitutes to begin with, but also I do not like to listen to normal women if I have a choice, so escort and FKK works great for me though I do have to listen a bit LOL, but it is limited comparison to normal date scene as FKK and escort is mainly pay to sex culture and no courting is required though some monger pay to do that, to make her act as girlfriend!

Early 2010's had better line up, and me too have difficulty to find, but as I wrote earlier, I am like a sharp shooter, I spend hours till I find someone to session with and this is no exaggeration, yes hours! LOL.

Sex addiction is good thing as long as you do not break law or disturb others, I love sex and I can never get enough of young stunner girls to fuck, but I must admit, I am so used to fucking most beautiful girls that my hurdle is so high for beauty and service quality I want!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2494143]For me dinner, cinema, shopping, long chats, etc. only make sense with a girl who is knowledgeable and a good conversationalist; I've not met any escort of that nature. Wining and dining an educated professional can be fun in itself but not getting any after the expense is BS and is the norm.[/QUOTE]I just want stunner level beautiful girls whom I can fuck and fuck me also in anyways that I desire on that day which I happily get and been getting since age 17 LOL!

I can have good conversation with my friends whether they are man, woman or whatever, but to fuck I need many different stunner level beauties one after another every year! I do not need to talk to these girls, I want to have best sex with them that echoes in eternity and hey, it echoed still LOL! I got memories everywhere! This is what matters to me!

I also quote Karl Lagerfeld said that I also like and resonate with "I do not like to sleep with people I love!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2494268]She wasn't an escort but a SB on all the occasions I've done that. Twice was a university student, one was an ex ballerina, and the most beautiful of all was a journalist.[/QUOTE]There are clearly as many types of guys as you can imagine. But here it's clear there are at least two broad categories: Guys who want to just have sex and guys who want a "girlfriend experience". And by GFE here I mean more than DFK and BBBJ. I mean an emotional "feels like a girlfriend" experience. I know this is laughable to the "just have sex" guys but please don't judge. Some guys need both halves.

To be fair there are guys in the middle also. In fact FKK is a great middle ground. If you simply went in and saw a lineup (or a fishbowl like they have in parts of Asia) grab a girl and fuck it would not be nearly as awesome as FKK. The FKK is an EXPERIENCE and that is about more than just sex. You are enjoying the atmosphere. The feel of all the girls wanting to take you. There is no arguing there is a powerful emotional component to FKK.

And I would agree FKK is one of two best formats on the planet for a hybrid of sex and some emotion for type 1 guys with some type 2 leanings. The Boate of Brazil is the other (feels like a regular nightclub but all the girls are pro / semi and has onsite rooms).

But there is a whole nuther world of type 2 guys. Guys who enjoy full GFE and that is found in Sugar Daddy Sugar Baby dating like Seeking Arrangements. (There is a thread for this under General Dating Agencies). Whoever said paying a pro for dinner dates and overnights is a bad deal is right. It's definitely fake and prohibitively expensive. But SBSD is the perfect itch scratcher for type 2 guys. The girls (done right) are non-pro or semi-pro. There is real chemistry (or so good you can't tell) and emotion and a very girlfriendy vibe. And of course waaaay more time together, for a manageable cost. (Remember an HOUR in the US with a pretty pro is $400 and up - ouch!).

For those that remember the flying Thifany to London experience this goes to show the two sides. In Brazil we spent time together in the Boate. A night club experience but primarily sex. And London was primarily a girlfriend experience (full week together) and sex as part of it. For some guys this is where it's at and I am one of them.

I love FKK and I love the Boate. And Moscow and Japan and Thailand and will never stop doing them (Covid willing) but I truly love the Sugar Baby scene. I am a type 2 guy like some of the others speaking up here. Recently I arranged to fly a girl I was with for two nights in December to another city where we will spend the weekend together. I know this sounds so strange and not worth it to Type 1 guys. But for those who are type 2 there is nothing finer than kicking about together and then bringing it full circle to sex at the end of the night (and again in the morning!). This is completely addictive for a type 2 like me. (PS I didn’t know I was a type 2 until the Thifany experience and then I was hooked).

But as soon as I can travel I will join you at Sharks ALSO. Let's all enjoy ALL the formats. And thank our lucky stars they exist! See you guys at Sharks!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2494398]There are clearly as many types of guys as you can imagine. But here it's clear there are at least two broad categories: Guys who want to just have sex and guys who want a "girlfriend experience". And by GFE here I mean more than DFK and BBBJ. I mean an emotional "feels like a girlfriend" experience. I know this is laughable to the "just have sex" guys but please don't judge. Some guys need both halves.

To be fair there are guys in the middle also. In fact FKK is a great middle ground. If you simply went in and saw a lineup (or a fishbowl like they have in parts of Asia) grab a girl and fuck it would not be nearly as awesome as FKK. The FKK is an EXPERIENCE and that is about more than just sex. You are enjoying the atmosphere. The feel of all the girls wanting to take you. There is no arguing there is a powerful emotional component to FKK.

And I would agree FKK is one of two best formats on the planet for a hybrid of sex and some emotion for type 1 guys with some type 2 leanings. The Boate of Brazil is the other (feels like a regular nightclub but all the girls are pro / semi and has onsite rooms).

But there is a whole nuther world of type 2 guys. Guys who enjoy full GFE and that is found in Sugar Daddy Sugar Baby dating like Seeking Arrangements. (There is a thread for this under General Dating Agencies). Whoever said paying a pro for dinner dates and overnights is a bad deal is right. It's definitely fake and prohibitively expensive. But SBSD is the perfect itch scratcher for type 2 guys. The girls (done right) are non-pro or semi-pro. There is real chemistry (or so good you can't tell) and emotion and a very girlfriendy vibe. And of course waaaay more time together, for a manageable cost. (Remember an HOUR in the US with a pretty pro is $400 and up - ouch!).[/QUOTE]Good observation. Did you notice that the girls who fuck for money (pro like FKK girls or fulltime escorts, semi-pro, non-pro) are also primarily two types? One type are the girls who enjoy the conversation and time spent together with some sex, and the other type hates it when some guy keeps talking giving her headache. I heard it from many FKK girls that there are some guys (interestingly, mostly tourists) they don't like to go with anymore because he talks too much bullshit and gives her migraines instead of a good fuck and maybe an orgasm LOL.

Many (not all) FKK girls actually love the lots of sex aspect of the job, and moves to be an escort when they get bored of too much sex (and then try to minimize the sex part of it while keeping the earning level same).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2494158]It's too bad you can't say you've ever met a working girl with those qualities, especially given how long you say you've been mongering. Since the 70's! Well, I most certainly have met many working girls who are knowledgeable and know how to hold an intelligent conversation. That said, given where I met them, I wasn't interested in dating them or anything like that. Let's just keep it in the club or wherever we met. And then let's just have sex. Maybe I will see you the next time. And maybe I won't. Seems to me that if you've been patronizing tutes since the 70's, but say you've never met a knowledgeable one, that you just haven't been willing to give anybody a chance, and don't care to. That's fine too though. After all, at the end of the day, most of us mongers just want a good fuck at a fair price, and that's it![/QUOTE]Meeting and holding a long conversation with a working girl in a club is all well and good. I have done that many times. The country where I have met the most intelligent working girls is Brazil. Among those I have met there have been a dental assistant and a journalist. In all fairness to them I do not speak Portuguese so still could not have gone out on a date with them and probably needed to be able to speak Portuguese to decide whether they qualify as per my criteria. So perhaps I should alter what I have stated by referring instead to an English speaking escort.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2494398]There are clearly as many types of guys as you can imagine. But here it's clear there are at least two broad categories: Guys who want to just have sex and guys who want a "girlfriend experience". And by GFE here I mean more than DFK and BBBJ. I mean an emotional "feels like a girlfriend" experience. I know this is laughable to the "just have sex" guys but please don't judge. Some guys need both halves.

To be fair there are guys in the middle also. In fact FKK is a great middle ground. If you simply went in and saw a lineup (or a fishbowl like they have in parts of Asia) grab a girl and fuck it would not be nearly as awesome as FKK. The FKK is an EXPERIENCE and that is about more than just sex. You are enjoying the atmosphere. The feel of all the girls wanting to take you. There is no arguing there is a powerful emotional component to FKK.

And I would agree FKK is one of two best formats on the planet for a hybrid of sex and some emotion for type 1 guys with some type 2 leanings. The Boate of Brazil is the other (feels like a regular nightclub but all the girls are pro / semi and has onsite rooms).

But there is a whole nuther world of type 2 guys. Guys who enjoy full GFE and that is found in Sugar Daddy Sugar Baby dating like Seeking Arrangements. (There is a thread for this under General Dating Agencies). Whoever said paying a pro for dinner dates and overnights is a bad deal is right. It's definitely fake and prohibitively expensive. But SBSD is the perfect itch scratcher for type 2 guys. The girls (done right) are non-pro or semi-pro. There is real chemistry (or so good you can't tell) and emotion and a very girlfriendy vibe. And of course waaaay more time together, for a manageable cost. (Remember an HOUR in the US with a pretty pro is $400 and up - ouch!). [/QUOTE]Excellent post as usual. I feel I am somewhere between. I don't like picking a girl in FKK like I am out for shopping in a big store, but I also don't like all this fake GFE with a prostitute when I know she is pretending 100 %.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2494316]Yes, listening is important in most cultures, but I am saying I do not want to listen to bullshit of prostitutes to begin with, but also I do not like to listen to normal women if I have a choice, so escort and FKK works great for me though I do have to listen a bit LOL, but it is limited comparison to normal date scene as FKK and escort is mainly pay to sex culture and no courting is required though some monger pay to do that, to make her act as girlfriend![/QUOTE]Why don't you want to listen to normal women either? Not all women are waiting for men with their legs open like prostitutes! They want discussions and communication and much much more. Also remember that they have the best orgasm when you fuck their mind first. And you can't fuck that when you don't want to talk with them!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2494517]Why don't you want to listen to normal women either? Not all women are waiting for men with their legs open like prostitutes! They want discussions and communication and much much more. Also remember that they have the best orgasm when you fuck their mind first. And you can't fuck that when you don't want to talk with them![/QUOTE]I agree, but I am past that! I understand what you mean, but as I quoted, but somehow deleted by moderator for whatever reason, I mentioned about the quote by Karl Lagerfeld, which goes "I do not like having sex with someone I love", this quote is something I resonate with, I do give understanding those who like to have sex with someone they love as a person even she is old, fat or not so pretty etc, that is emotional playing big part even in sex!

However, even I understand those who put so much focus on emotion even in sex, for me I only put beauty when it comes to sex and there are so many things I like to do with young beautiful girls that I do not want to do it to her if I do love this person as a person among other reasons as well!

So most people involve emotion to sex which I do give understanding, but for me I put only beauty in sex, that is the difference. I do have amazing GFE session, maybe bit more hardcore and dirty than you and to your taste, but I do not necessary have to obtain connection to have such sex with prostitute or escort as we are in sex forum and we are talking about prostitutes or escort.

I do add that with some regular, I become kind of mild friend as I repeat and time goes by and as I get to know them as we do chat a bit in room and even eat together sometimes after or before the session in FKK resty area, but I am conscious, mature and experience enough to know what happened in FKK or escort no matter how good stay there period!

As for emotional connection, I do it with friend both male and female and also with dog, so I do not need to have emotional connection with prostitutes or escort to have good sex!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2494516]Excellent post as usual. I feel I am somewhere between. I don't like picking a girl in FKK like I am out for shopping in a big store, but I also don't like all this fake GFE with a prostitute when I know she is pretending 100 %.[/QUOTE]I second that, they tell us real names sometime, but we do not even know their real names are real names LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2494470]Meeting and holding a long conversation with a working girl in a club is all well and good. I have done that many times. The country where I have met the most intelligent working girls is Brazil. Among those I have met there have been a dental assistant and a journalist. In all fairness to them I do not speak Portuguese so still could not have gone out on a date with them and probably needed to be able to speak Portuguese to decide whether they qualify as per my criteria. So perhaps I should alter what I have stated by referring instead to an English speaking escort.[/QUOTE]I tend to not to believe what they say about their occupation etc (even though some turned out to be true on sns), but I do think some of working girls are much smarter and better hearted than most of normal girls, I mean it takes some brain to work that floor in FKK to make big cash in short period of time to better their life for their after FKK career, which some of them actually do and for some of them I hope they do!

However, I stick to sex than too much conversation at FKK as I am there for sex, not to make friends or gain some knowledge even though I end up getting a lot of knowledge about FKK industry LOL!

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2494516]Excellent post as usual. I feel I am somewhere between. I don't like picking a girl in FKK like I am out for shopping in a big store, but I also don't like all this fake GFE with a prostitute when I know she is pretending 100 %.[/QUOTE]I don't mind the fake GFE as long as she gives good service. I have had fake GFE during which the girl tries to minimize penetration, that's a boner killer. I really dislike loud fake moaning, I have had occasion to tell the girl to keep quiet.

On another note do you guys like a girl to gyrate during sex? I basically like it as for example her moving her bum in a circular motion during doggy. Once I was banging this black hooker and she wildly gyrated during doggy. It was a bit too much for me and I asked her to tone down a bit. She said to me: "I'm not a robot" and continued to gyrate excessively. LOL.

I am in a marital relationship, have used SBs for several years now and thoroughly enjoy FKK visits. I think each has its merits. Guys need to find their own equilibrium. It makes no sense in my view why a guy should seek advice from another on this matter, and why another guy feels qualified to lecture others on this issue; no more than I should dictate to you what flavor of ice cream is good for you. Also, GFE means different things to different people. An emotional connection is the last thing in the world I am seeking with any of these girls. It is easy to avoid such things in FKKs, so in that sense I prefer FKKs over sugarbabes. It is very possible that if I was living in Frankfurt on NRW, I might never have gotten hooked onto SB sites. Mainly, I am seeking physical gratification and FKKs serve that purpose very well. I do enjoy things such as DFK, DATY, Oral and BLS etc (what I call GFE sex) and in that purpose FKKs are good (but obviously they have gone down the hill for sometime). Some guys conflate GFE with emotional connection and that is definitely far from my mind but I can understand why some men need it / fall for it. I hear some guys spend more time talking in the FKK room than on sex and that is not fathomable to me but I again if that is what a guy needs, he shall pay for it. So, when you say GFE, are you talking about the sexual side of GFE or the emotional / mental connection side? With my sugar babes, obviously there is a different dynamic. It perforce involves more talking, more of knowing about each other, some dinner and movie dates etc. Luckily so far, I have able to keep all these babes at bay as far as me not truly caring for them while appearing to care for them in a superficial way. Don't get me wrong, I like them, I wish them well and would not want to see them get hurt in any way. But do I care for them as I do for a family member, even 0.01% of it? No, I don't. I enjoy being around them, their energy and youthfulness are invigorating and sex is always good; but as soon as I walk out the door and in my car driving back, my mind is already on family matters or work issues and other such things.

EL: I believe that 80% of the girls are still working during their period, they put a kind of sponge in their vagina that it is why they will not accept too deep penetration. Only if you have a close relation with a girl she will tell you that today she has her period, it is to show you a kind of respect, otherwise than don t, most of the girls have 0 respect for the men like some mongers have 0 respect for the girls.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494793]EL: I believe that 80% of the girls are still working during their period, they put a kind of sponge in their vagina that it is why they will not accept too deep penetration. Only if you have a close relation with a girl she will tell you that today she has her period, it is to show you a kind of respect, otherwise than don t, most of the girls have 0 respect for the men like some mongers have 0 respect for the girls.[/QUOTE]Bloody rooms, had a great one few weeks ago at Globe and at GT Vienna on my discovery, are very interesting, same like real orgasms when girl ask you for a short break because too sensitive, then you see real reactions, no acting, at these moments. Deep orgasm can also make start period. If you ever had a woman in your life, did you tell her she was dirty while her period? I had sometimes sex with my girlfriends while their period with their blood on me and I call this intimacy and GFE sex experience, when no GFE experience for me to have diner with a girl I see going with anybody to be fucked for money, not image for a girlfriend for me, girlfriend is limited to love in bed with WGs, not the image for more illusion.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494793]EL: I believe that 80% of the girls are still working during their period, they put a kind of sponge in their vagina that it is why they will not accept too deep penetration. Only if you have a close relation with a girl she will tell you that today she has her period, it is to show you a kind of respect, otherwise than don t, most of the girls have 0 respect for the men like some mongers have 0 respect for the girls.[/QUOTE]In the club like Artemis, you are only allowed to take two straight days off even when you are sick (I guess period included), and on the third day, you have to leave the up stairs dormitory.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2494772]I don't mind the fake GFE as long as she gives good service. I have had fake GFE during which the girl tries to minimize penetration, that's a boner killer. I really dislike loud fake moaning, I have had occasion to tell the girl to keep quiet.

On another note do you guys like a girl to gyrate during sex? I basically like it as for example her moving her bum in a circular motion during doggy. Once I was banging this black hooker and she wildly gyrated during doggy. It was a bit too much for me and I asked her to tone down a bit. She said to me: "I'm not a robot" and continued to gyrate excessively. LOL.[/QUOTE]I love gyrate, but I feel that more when there is no condom is involved, so I like gyrate with BBBJ in FKK! However, I hear no condom option exist in FKK, though I never tried it in FKK or even asked!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2494852]Bloody rooms, had a great one few weeks ago at Globe and at GT Vienna on my discovery, are very interesting, same like real orgasms when girl ask you for a short break because too sensitive, then you see real reactions, no acting, at these moments. Deep orgasm can also make start period. If you ever had a woman in your life, did you tell her she was dirty while her period? I had sometimes sex with my girlfriends while their period with their blood on me and I call this intimacy and GFE sex experience, when no GFE experience for me to have diner with a girl I see going with anybody to be fucked for money, not image for a girlfriend for me, girlfriend is limited to love in bed with WGs, not the image for more illusion.[/QUOTE]Period means you can cum inside her without birth control pill!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2494772]I don't mind the fake GFE as long as she gives good service. I have had fake GFE during which the girl tries to minimize penetration, that's a boner killer. I really dislike loud fake moaning, I have had occasion to tell the girl to keep quiet.

On another note do you guys like a girl to gyrate during sex? I basically like it as for example her moving her bum in a circular motion during doggy. Once I was banging this black hooker and she wildly gyrated during doggy. It was a bit too much for me and I asked her to tone down a bit. She said to me: "I'm not a robot" and continued to gyrate excessively. LOL.[/QUOTE]I find gyrating quite annoying and an attempt to prevent penetration or hard fucking. That is different than being on top and grinding.

EL: obviously I never told my ex wife that she was dirty but also had no sex during the period, when I pay a prostitute I am also if not mostly purchasing illusions, blood on my condom is really not part of that.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2494852]Bloody rooms, had a great one few weeks ago at Globe and at GT Vienna on my discovery, are very interesting, same like real orgasms when girl ask you for a short break because too sensitive, then you see real reactions, no acting, at these moments. Deep orgasm can also make start period. If you ever had a woman in your life, did you tell her she was dirty while her period? I had sometimes sex with my girlfriends while their period with their blood on me and I call this intimacy and GFE sex experience, when no GFE experience for me to have diner with a girl I see going with anybody to be fucked for money, not image for a girlfriend for me, girlfriend is limited to love in bed with WGs, not the image for more illusion.[/QUOTE]Many decades ago when I was in my twenty's I had sex with a girl and saw blood as she had her periods. I immediately went limp. No way I could bang a girl who is on her periods.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494793]EL: I believe that 80% of the girls are still working during their period, they put a kind of sponge in their vagina that it is why they will not accept too deep penetration. Only if you have a close relation with a girl she will tell you that today she has her period, it is to show you a kind of respect, otherwise than don t, most of the girls have 0 respect for the men like some mongers have 0 respect for the girls.[/QUOTE]Most of them delay the period by taking norethisterone tablets. No need to stuff the vaginas with any type of objects, that's our job! LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2495066]Many decades ago when I was in my twenty's I had sex with a girl and saw blood as she had her periods. I immediately went limp. No way I could bang a girl who is on her periods.[/QUOTE]You never had a real girlfriend? She didn't have period? Did you tell her she was dirty disgusting? When some have pain, but some are horny while period. At GT with top performer Hungarian, when I finished her on DATY, she screamed loud, I was like Hanibal Lecter with her blood on my face, I made start her period from intense orgasm, great sex with her, just not good enough body care for my taste. Had many bloody sex, of course with girlfriends, but also at GT, Mainhattan, Globe, GT Vienna, and it was always great very intimate times, because girls don't play at these times, time for truth, among lies.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2495066]Many decades ago when I was in my twenty's I had sex with a girl and saw blood as she had her periods. I immediately went limp. No way I could bang a girl who is on her periods.[/QUOTE]Man,

One time I had sex with a "civilian" who was on her period and there was blood everywhere! Never did that shit again! I had girlfriends since then who were horny and wanted to do it while on their period, but I refused. I asked one why she wanted to have sex while she was bleeding down there, and she said she would get bad cramps, and having sex made her feel good. No matter, as I still declined to engage in sex with her. I have had girlfriends show sad disappointment when I would not fuck them while on their period. WTF man?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2494940]EL: obviously I never told my ex wife that she was dirty but also had no sex during the period, when I pay a prostitute I am also if not mostly purchasing illusions, blood on my condom is really not part of that.[/QUOTE]Except for sex and I enjoy so much making girls improving for me, Kate improved so much, among her rabbits, my LR Eve was so low level when I discovered her when she was at LR since 3 weeks, and she became my best pleasure in bed, following me, but out of sex, when I see them going with others, or when I speak with most, which illusion among lies or so average level? And Germans are lowest for level. Most are not much interesting when talking. Kate was one of the few interesting, reason why she became GT superstar, because higher level educated compare to others. I m only interested by small parts of truth, and mostly during sex, when most are so boring with their lies. At LR, superstar always started her day with me, nobody can say not true and even staff knew, we sit in couch, she drank her coffee and smoke, I just waited she was ready, letting her time she needed, but I didn't speak much with her because I was not interested by her gossiping and bullshits, queen of lies, when I was only interested to enjoy her in bed. I never answered to any proposition for outside, I will never go to ski in Brasov, when I have exceptional La Grave la Meije and extreme Verbier. Illusion in only when love sex for me, they don't have image of a girlfriend. I just like to repeat pleasure weekly and I m specialist to create my pleasure.

A girl once told me "all women are beautiful".

I looked at her, nodded and smiled: "maybe on the inside".

She laughed and said she had to agree.

We had a great room!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2495121]Man,

One time I had sex with a "civilian" who was on her period and there was blood everywhere! Never did that shit again! I had girlfriends since then who were horny and wanted to do it while on their period, but I refused. I asked one why she wanted to have sex while she was bleeding down there, and she said she would get bad cramps, and having sex made her feel good. No matter, as I still declined to engage in sex with her. I have had girlfriends show sad disappointment when I would not fuck them while on their period. WTF man?[/QUOTE]Why are you writing my stories? LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2495183]A girl once told me "all women are beautiful".

I looked at her, nodded and smiled: "maybe on the inside".

She laughed and said she had to agree.

We had a great room![/QUOTE]I do not agree LOL! Especially in FKK LOL! I look outside and decide if I take to room or not, as for service, I can get best service out of her!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2495121]Man,

One time I had sex with a "civilian" who was on her period and there was blood everywhere! Never did that shit again! I had girlfriends since then who were horny and wanted to do it while on their period, but I refused. I asked one why she wanted to have sex while she was bleeding down there, and she said she would get bad cramps, and having sex made her feel good. No matter, as I still declined to engage in sex with her. I have had girlfriends show sad disappointment when I would not fuck them while on their period. WTF man?[/QUOTE]Girls who have humour say sperm is nutritive breakfast, or good cream for skin or hair, like Cameron Diaz. But so strong guys find dirty natural period for a woman, and even worst, woman they live with, maybe why women are not much interested to share about sexuality with their man and when most of guys are not able to give orgasm to their woman, then they find sex boring, except when they want a baby, and they prefer to have headache than boring sex with somebody who is not interesting for sexuality for his woman. Then, mum doesn't want and guy goes to paid sex, when he has somebody at home, when a real woman is so much more interesting and higher level to share intimate sexuality, when WGs have so low knowledge with their BF / pimp.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495233]Girls who have humour say sperm is nutritive breakfast, or good cream for skin or hair, like Cameron Diaz. But so strong guys find dirty natural period for a woman, and even worst, woman they live with, maybe why women are not much interested to share about sexuality with their man and when most of guys are not able to give orgasm to their woman, then they find sex boring, except when they want a baby, and they prefer to have headache than boring sex with somebody who is not interesting for sexuality for his woman. Then, mum doesn't want and guy goes to paid sex, when he has somebody at home, when a real woman is so much more interesting and higher level to share intimate sexuality, when WGs have so low knowledge with their BF / pimp.[/QUOTE]It actually is very nutritious, but I do not recommend any mongers to drink it LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495093]You never had a real girlfriend? She didn't have period? Did you tell her she was dirty disgusting? When some have pain, but some are horny while period. At GT with top performer Hungarian, when I finished her on DATY, she screamed loud, I was like Hanibal Lecter with her blood on my face, I made start her period from intense orgasm, great sex with her, just not good enough body care for my taste. Had many bloody sex, of course with girlfriends, but also at GT, Mainhattan, Globe, GT Vienna, and it was always great very intimate times, because girls don't play at these times, time for truth, among lies.[/QUOTE]In my younger days with girlfriends when they were on their period I told them to lie on their tummy and I banged them anal and I did not want to see a spot of blood. A good time was had by all.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495233]Girls who have humour say sperm is nutritive breakfast, or good cream for skin or hair...........[/QUOTE]The best girlfriend I ever had said, without humour, that semen is rich in protein and full of nutrition. She gave the best blowjob ever with CIM and swallow. She used to leave my pecker as clean as a whistle.

10 years ago, I was banging a girl like a wild animal in Samya and while changing position I saw terror on her face looking at the condom full of blood. Holy fuck! She finished me with a good CIM and left Samya.

I also meet regularly an escort in NRW and she usually does not meet when she has her period but sometimes I contact her on purpose because I know in that case that she performs blowjob with CIM for 50 only. I am a horny pervert.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2495183]A girl once told me "all women are beautiful".

I looked at her, nodded and smiled: "maybe on the inside".

She laughed and said she had to agree.

We had a great room![/QUOTE]I remember one arriving at Bruggen, telling me: girls are not really pretty here, and really not a jealous girl, but she had other standards with natural looks at Velbert. And granny Sylvana. It didn't arrive yet. Most difficult for me in FKK land is to find beauties, like at Wellcum on this Summer, but I enjoyed how Anna became charming welcoming and improved in bed on our 3 rooms. As I told my Globe German beauty, I prefer no room than average level, and more and more demanding.

Mexico has plenty of girls who are in need of fast cash and the border is so close to USA and on top of that they are Latin, so good fuckers! On the other hand, there are states in USA where prostitution is legal, so why don't they get better quality of girls in those establishments like some FKK in Europe do?

It is cleared by law in USA and supply for good looking tutes seems to be there from Mexico!

If that is not possible in USA, why don't they do that on the border between Mexico and USA where American guys can just drive 30 min to monger in Mexico and enjoy FKK like set up there with young beautiful Mexican girls and drive back to USA after their day of fucking!

What stopping entrepreneur in USA or Mexico? If worry for cartel or Mexican fed, money is the king in Mexico, so what is the worry or why not cartel do it themselves? It is lucrative business with such a high demand by looking at this forum and seeing many American guys referring to USA as sex prison!

So why? What are the rational reason behind this?

Instead you got a lot of cheap bar with tutes in Mexico that is not hygiene as FKK and messed up brothel in Nevada according to some us posters here and also messed up half session strip club in USA!

Some girls find it messy and a bit gross. In that case, a BBJCIM or anal saves time and women who really care for their man want him to come, and most importantly, keep coming back.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495093]You never had a real girlfriend? She didn't have period? Did you tell her she was dirty disgusting? When some have pain, but some are horny while period. At GT with top performer Hungarian, when I finished her on DATY, she screamed loud, I was like Hanibal Lecter with her blood on my face, I made start her period from intense orgasm, great sex with her, just not good enough body care for my taste. Had many bloody sex, of course with girlfriends, but also at GT, Mainhattan, Globe, GT Vienna, and it was always great very intimate times, because girls don't play at these times, time for truth, among lies.[/QUOTE]Kati the Hungarian? I hear she is Romanian by the way?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495135]Except for sex and I enjoy so much making girls improving for me, Kate improved so much, among her rabbits, my LR Eve was so low level when I discovered her when she was at LR since 3 weeks, and she became my best pleasure in bed, following me, but out of sex, when I see them going with others, or when I speak with most, which illusion among lies or so average level? And Germans are lowest for level. Most are not much interesting when talking. Kate was one of the few interesting, reason why she became GT superstar, because higher level educated compare to others. I m only interested by small parts of truth, and mostly during sex, when most are so boring with their lies. At LR, superstar always started her day with me, nobody can say not true and even staff knew, we sit in couch, she drank her coffee and smoke, I just waited she was ready, letting her time she needed, but I didn't speak much with her because I was not interested by her gossiping and bullshits, queen of lies, when I was only interested to enjoy her in bed. I never answered to any proposition for outside, I will never go to ski in Brasov, when I have exceptional La Grave la Meije and extreme Verbier. Illusion in only when love sex for me, they don't have image of a girlfriend. I just like to repeat pleasure weekly and I m specialist to create my pleasure.[/QUOTE]I begin to think FKK is hospital for your state of mind LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495432]I remember one arriving at Bruggen, telling me: girls are not really pretty here, and really not a jealous girl, but she had other standards with natural looks at Velbert. And granny Sylvana. It didn't arrive yet. Most difficult for me in FKK land is to find beauties, like at Wellcum on this Summer, but I enjoyed how Anna became charming welcoming and improved in bed on our 3 rooms. As I told my Globe German beauty, I prefer no room than average level, and more and more demanding.[/QUOTE]I recently met a German girl at GT Vienna who said exactly the same to me. She had been at GT Bruggen before and agreed with me that the majority there were not good looking at all. Especially the girls who use liters on liters of botox, or have 40% of their bodies tattooed. Or 800-1600 MG silicone tits.

Which clubs have the best areas where you can relax and use your phone or tablet in between rooms? And, ideally, where the girls either don't go or know from the fact that you're there that you're not interested in a fuck right now? I've only been to a few, and the one I really like is the roof in Acapulco Gold, but I did last go there during summer, so maybe it's not so great when chucking it down with rain. I also quite like the little outside pods with the curtains at Sharks that you can shut yourself inside. Others not so great. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough, but I searched in vain for anywhere in Mainhattan where I wouldn't be disturbed. Samya has the really nice sleeping area, but it really does feel like an area more for sleeping. Was thinking of making a trip soon, but obviously the choice is a bit more restricted now and I'd really rather not have to just stay sat in the locker room if I want to use my phone for a bit.

One time, I engaged an FKK girl for 2 days to stay with me in my room. She texted me just a few hours prior to when I was supposed to pick her up that she has her period. We renegotiated and I paid 50% of the originally agreed rate for blow job and making out. I could not fuck; I can't finish so many times with blow job alone but it was a good deal for me and the girl liked it as well because she still got paid. As such, in 2 days I only received 4 or 5 BJs but I had fun.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2495573]Kati the Hungarian? I hear she is Romanian by the way?[/QUOTE]This Hungarian ex Sharks was even more fire than Kity who was Romanian Angel when she started at Bab, but became Hungarian for GT, like her friend Barbie, because years ago, GT regulars who were mostly German, didn't like much Romanians, so girls fuck them becoming fake Hungarian or Russian but not able to speak Russian. At this time, no registration. But one here who need to translate my posts, like he showed my writings to my LR weekly regular, will tell they are real Hungarian. At least they became in FKK. Kity is not Kate. Better to know girls name to really understand.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2495690]I recently met a German girl at GT Vienna who said exactly the same to me. She had been at GT Bruggen before and agreed with me that the majority there were not good looking at all. Especially the girls who use liters on liters of botox, or have 40% of their bodies tattooed. Or 800-1600 MG silicone tits.[/QUOTE]I had few pretty girls at GT Bruggen but can't compete with GT Vienna seen on July. On beginning of May 2019, Anita. Ro and Sissi. Pol arrived at Bruggen from GT Vienna and were the prettiest with Kate. I really liked Anita, she didn't need to be jealous and I went to GT Vienna to respect my promise. I left many times Bruggen with no room, because couldn't find any attractive girl. Many pretty girls don't want to work at GT even best business in Germany, but they don't agree for everything for 50 and regulars going to cry on desk when they don't get. Many don't like rules. Miss GT 2019 is now touring at Globe where she is not full busy, when guys were jumping on her in lockers at Bruggen. I find Oase or Samya more interesting because usually prettier natural beauties and you can test what you are able to get from girls with less rules for girls, so this is much more enjoyable than going to cry on desk when they just should look in mirror movie beauty and beast.

[QUOTE=Jordan95;2495808]Which clubs have the best areas where you can relax and use your phone or tablet in between rooms? [/QUOTE]Oase has it.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2495838]This Hungarian ex Sharks was even more fire than Kity who was Romanian Angel when she started at Bab, but became Hungarian for GT, like her friend Barbie, because years ago, GT regulars who were mostly German, didn't like much Romanians, so girls fuck them becoming fake Hungarian or Russian but not able to speak Russian. At this time, no registration. But one here who need to translate my posts, like he showed my writings to my LR weekly regular, will tell they are real Hungarian. At least they became in FKK. Kity is not Kate. Better to know girls name to really understand.[/QUOTE]GT regulars who were mostly Germans? I always thought GT regulars were more dutch people! I know this you know how? I am for sure the guest who sit and watch the longest in GT because there is no girls in GT I want to go to room with due to their low level of looks to my standard LOL!

How many times I sat in GT for hours and hours and watched what is going on and girls walking in, but end up getting a discount ticket to LR at the desk and leave to LR and sat in LR for hours as there is no stunner there as well and then end up in FKK oceans LOL!

NRW has not got many stunner level beauty to my level, this is for sure, but somehow I always managed after hunting for the stunner all day!

Kity was one of few good looking girl of GT!

[QUOTE=Jordan95;2495808]Which clubs have the best areas where you can relax and use your phone or tablet in between rooms? And, ideally, where the girls either don't go or know from the fact that you're there that you're not interested in a fuck right now? I've only been to a few, and the one I really like is the roof in Acapulco Gold, but I did last go there during summer, so maybe it's not so great when chucking it down with rain. I also quite like the little outside pods with the curtains at Sharks that you can shut yourself inside. Others not so great. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough, but I searched in vain for anywhere in Mainhattan where I wouldn't be disturbed. Samya has the really nice sleeping area, but it really does feel like an area more for sleeping. Was thinking of making a trip soon, but obviously the choice is a bit more restricted now and I'd really rather not have to just stay sat in the locker room if I want to use my phone for a bit.[/QUOTE]Oase has resting area where girls are not allowed to go, but in Artemis, if you exit from swimming pool bar area to outside and walk toward gym from outside, these area has no girls coming, but there is security camera there and I am not sure if you are allowed to use phone or tablet there! I used to smoke up there, but no security came, so I guess it is more like safe zone where nobody including girls care to come! Only possible to stay out there during spring till let say September though due to cold weather!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2495820]One time, I engaged an FKK girl for 2 days to stay with me in my room. She texted me just a few hours prior to when I was supposed to pick her up that she has her period. We renegotiated and I paid 50% of the originally agreed rate for blow job and making out. I could not fuck; I can't finish so many times with blow job alone but it was a good deal for me and the girl liked it as well because she still got paid. As such, in 2 days I only received 4 or 5 BJs but I had fun.[/QUOTE]That must have been a very pricey blow job LOL!

Blow job royale LOL!

[QUOTE=Einhorn;2495928]Oase has it.[/QUOTE]Isn't Oase very strict about phones though?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496286]That must have been a very pricey blow job LOL!

Blow job royale LOL![/QUOTE]True. These exclusive "hire the girl for a day or a few days" deals are never cheap when you compute the price paid per fuck / BJ. I did a couple of those deals early on but got it out of my system now. Not much value in it (plus I don't need to worry if the girl will run away with my wallet and clothes when I am sleeping).

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2496403]Isn't Oase very strict about phones though?[/QUOTE]Not as strict as Sharks.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496220]GT regulars who were mostly Germans? I always thought GT regulars were more dutch people! I know this you know how? I am for sure the guest who sit and watch the longest in GT because there is no girls in GT I want to go to room with due to their low level of looks to my standard LOL!

How many times I sat in GT for hours and hours and watched what is going on and girls walking in, but end up getting a discount ticket to LR at the desk and leave to LR and sat in LR for hours as there is no stunner there as well and then end up in FKK oceans LOL!

NRW has not got many stunner level beauty to my level, this is for sure, but somehow I always managed after hunting for the stunner all day!

Kity was one of few good looking girl of GT![/QUOTE]You think you know so much with your visit once a year, when I was sometimes twice every week end, being asked so many times: you return tomorrow? Until new law, many German regulars, with some crying on desk specialists, making new fresh beauties being kicked off. With new law, less Germans and parking became yellow, attracted by free beer.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2496405]True. These exclusive "hire the girl for a day or a few days" deals are never cheap when you compute the price paid per fuck / BJ. I did a couple of those deals early on but got it out of my system now. Not much value in it (plus I don't need to worry if the girl will run away with my wallet and clothes when I am sleeping).[/QUOTE]In FKK you get same level sex, but not in same nice environment and atmosphere as in the hotel!

But yes, blowjob royale can come with royal price LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2496445]You think you know so much with your visit once a year, when I was sometimes twice every week end, being asked so many times: you return tomorrow? Until new law, many German regulars, with some crying on desk specialists, making new fresh beauties being kicked off. With new law, less Germans and parking became yellow, attracted by free beer.[/QUOTE]My knowledge in prostitutes is much less than you siri, this is for sure LOL! I am not that interested in prostitutes private life as you do LOL!

I am in FKK for sex siri, not relationships or getting to know prostitutes LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496471]My knowledge in prostitutes is much less than you siri, this is for sure LOL! I am not that interested in prostitutes private life as you do LOL!

I am in FKK for sex siri, not relationships or getting to know prostitutes LOL![/QUOTE]It seems that you spend much more time on this forum when we see all your posts here rather than waiting for hours stunner girls in GT.

And if you wait for stunner for 50 at GT then you can wait for a very long time.

EL: all depends after what you are looking and who you are. I am able to control my libido so I choose when and what, with whom. I never had to fuck just to empty my balls. Spending long days, in a nice hotel with a girl that you really like is not comparable to a FKK fuck, in a FKK I never got a girl so relax as in a hotel room, after a good diner. But I will never spend a overnight with a girl I have not met before, a night can be terrible long with someone you don't like.

EL: and you how many girls you fucked, and how much you spent on girls? From my side 1000+ knowing that I don t do 50 euro sessions and I spent probably around 800.000 euros in 15 years.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496471]My knowledge in prostitutes is much less than you siri, this is for sure LOL! I am not that interested in prostitutes private life as you do LOL!

I am in FKK for sex siri, not relationships or getting to know prostitutes LOL![/QUOTE]I'm not interested by WGs private life, most being pimped, few marked by owner, but I m interested by elegance, charm and woman part and reactions, and I only play for this. Never answered for anything outside, not interested, girls fucking with everybody don't have image for a girlfriend, according to my eyes and brain. Just for pleasure for love sex, not more.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2496661]It seems that you spend much more time on this forum when we see all your posts here rather than waiting for hours stunner girls in GT.

And if you wait for stunner for 50 at GT then you can wait for a very long time.[/QUOTE]Yeah if you read my post from before, I stopped going to GT in 2017 after their line up do not satisfy me! Plus I am fly in monger, so it is not possible for me to fly 11 hours every weekend and I do not want to either, and this forum is nice morning routine.

Personally, I do not think it is something to be proud of to go to brothel every weekend or too often, I go one trip to three trips per year each one is about 5 consecutive FKK days, before it was 10 to max 14 consecutive FKK days in my late 20's 10 years ago!

How about you?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2496728]I'm not interested by WGs private life, most being pimped, few marked by owner, but I m interested by elegance, charm and woman part and reactions, and I only play for this. Never answered for anything outside, not interested, girls fucking with everybody don't have image for a girlfriend, according to my eyes and brain. Just for pleasure for love sex, not more.[/QUOTE]Siri, you contradict yourself again, you should remember what you write before LOL.

You wrote before that you even check FKK girls identification card to check their name and where they are exactly from in Romania LOL.

Which I highly doubted because FKK girls who are prostitutes and they obviously for the right reason tend to prefer not to reveal their real identification which I understand why for their security reason.

They tend to be from rather small or medium size town and they won't even reveal their real work they do in Germany to their relative or close friends as small town people talk and being prostitute in Germany would be the eternal gossip in such a small or medium size town, so why would they risk showing their identification card to client LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2496700]EL: and you how many girls you fucked, and how much you spent on girls? From my side 1000+ knowing that I don t do 50 euro sessions and I spent probably around 800.000 euros in 15 years.[/QUOTE]I write it down, so I have exact number, but I am not at home now, so about 200 (It is like 179 or something like that), but they are all stunner of stunners, some even famous model, porn star or now celebrity in TV. In FKK, I mostly do one hour session for 150 euro all inclusive GFE level service, but sometimes 30 min trial session for new girl I just met or if I meet her right before I am about to leave the club close to midnight.

800.000 euro? You mean 80.000 euro?

I have been mongering since I am 17 which make it 23 years of experience in mongering began in Switzerland, but I have not even spent 800 000 euro yet, I think in my life time, it will add up to about that amount, but so far maybe I spend about 300 000 euro in my life time in mongering or bit more, this I never calculated before, so it is just a guess.

I take record of girls in writing, but not the amount I spent, though I have general budget I set myself so I do not just get drifted away because this hobby of ours called mongering can be dangerous!

For instance, in FKK, usually I take double the amount of budget I set myself for a day just in case I find the stunner of stunner that is new and is her last day there, so there is no regret and I can go all the way with her in a day and double of my usual budget is enough for that! And for escort, I take about 200 euro more in cash, just in case she let me penetrate without condom with little extra, which is usually free most of times, but I have been asked to pay 100 to 200 euro here before, so just in case, again for no regret because when it comes to sex life, I would like to make sure I had among the best in the world!

Sirioja,

Why pay? Why not find a real girl and not a prostitute? There are many girls who have charm, elegance, have woman reactions in real life. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496749]Yeah if you read my post from before, I stopped going to GT in 2017 after their line up do not satisfy me! Plus I am fly in monger, so it is not possible for me to fly 11 hours every weekend and I do not want to either, and this forum is nice morning routine.

Personally, I do not think it is something to be proud of to go to brothel every weekend or too often, I go one trip to three trips per year each one is about 5 consecutive FKK days, before it was 10 to max 14 consecutive FKK days in my late 20's 10 years ago!

How about you?[/QUOTE]I need a minimum of 10 days to a maximum of 3 weeks all over Germany.

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[QUOTE=MrHo;2496749]Yeah if you read my post from before, I stopped going to GT in 2017 after their line up do not satisfy me! Plus I am fly in monger, so it is not possible for me to fly 11 hours every weekend and I do not want to either, and this forum is nice morning routine.

Personally, I do not think it is something to be proud of to go to brothel every weekend or too often, I go one trip to three trips per year each one is about 5 consecutive FKK days, before it was 10 to max 14 consecutive FKK days in my late 20's 10 years ago!

How about you?[/QUOTE]I live close to the nrw area so I go every week and I enjoy very much the sauna idea and meeting people or colleagues, so much fun talking and laughing, and I go with girls I like, I am not in that stupid "stunning" idea, I just go with girls I like even if they are not physically on top, physical criteria is only in the head.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496749]Yeah if you read my post from before, I stopped going to GT in 2017 after their line up do not satisfy me! Plus I am fly in monger, so it is not possible for me to fly 11 hours every weekend and I do not want to either, and this forum is nice morning routine.

Personally, I do not think it is something to be proud of to go to brothel every weekend or too often, I go one trip to three trips per year each one is about 5 consecutive FKK days, before it was 10 to max 14 consecutive FKK days in my late 20's 10 years ago!

How about you?[/QUOTE]I never go to days in a row to a FKK, for me it is easy to visit mostly in Germany but also in Austria. I am only looking for top beauties, young, fresh, natural, no tattoos, no sili, no hair extensions, no smoking you can imagine how difficult my task is. Having spend 15 years in the FKK I know a lot of girls switching from one club to another. Even only 25 YO for me they are veteran and a no go for me. Of course I am not proud to fuck prostitutes and if I was able to fuck young and nice beauties in the real life I will do it for sure. Sometimes I am lucky to achieve it but not with a 20 YO, more with a 30 to 40 YO but I am also 60+, difficult to expect more without paying.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496774]Siri, you contradict yourself again, you should remember what you write before LOL.

You wrote before that you even check FKK girls identification card to check their name and where they are exactly from in Romania LOL.

Which I highly doubted because FKK girls who are prostitutes and they obviously for the right reason tend to prefer not to reveal their real identification which I understand why for their security reason.

They tend to be from rather small or medium size town and they won't even reveal their real work they do in Germany to their relative or close friends as small town people talk and being prostitute in Germany would be the eternal gossip in such a small or medium size town, so why would they risk showing their identification card to client LOL.[/QUOTE]You have real problem for understanding, I never asked any girl to show me her ID and I never wrote I did, even Romanian is a quality for me for a beauty, then usually working good for me to enjoy weekly, but when I succeed to find an elegant charming beauty, I don't care where she is from, I just don't like always same lies from Bucharest, Constanza, Spain, Italy, Moldavia, or Russia but not able to speak Russian, easy for me to test. My new Globe wow look with elegance and charming, is German. I liked when my LR Romanian Eve told me about her badly paid previous job in her town, at this time truth confirmed by Daniela when they knew each other before LR, coming from same town and maybe why Daniela needed to tell me about my ex when she knew like everybody at LR about my previous weekly visits for Eve. Unfortunately, Eve learned to lie and became without interest for me. I never asked, but when they feel I don't believe, yes few girls, mostly Romanians, showed me from their decision their ID, but nothing so interesting, I m only interested by woman behavior and reactions, I don't plan to go to them in Romania.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2496749]Yeah if you read my post from before, I stopped going to GT in 2017 after their line up do not satisfy me! Plus I am fly in monger, so it is not possible for me to fly 11 hours every weekend and I do not want to either, and this forum is nice morning routine.

Personally, I do not think it is something to be proud of to go to brothel every weekend or too often, I go one trip to three trips per year each one is about 5 consecutive FKK days, before it was 10 to max 14 consecutive FKK days in my late 20's 10 years ago!

How about you?[/QUOTE]So now your in late 30's. That's same range with me lets meet in FKK LOL.

OK, I'm on the same boat, I fly 3 times a year, 5 consecutive FKK days in Sharks with a friend, I miss Shark. I want 10 - 14 days after Corona.

I met 2 guys in Sharks and they told me (and the story was confirmed by a girl I know) that they come to Sharks almost every weekend, they flight 10-12 hours (with transit) after work, and they stay 1 full day in Sharks then go to the airport to catch the airplane back home to work, they don't need vacation to visit Shark, they got bored and had planned mongering in Morocco and they tried to convince me to do it. Not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2496953]I live close to the nrw area so I go every week and I enjoy very much the sauna idea and meeting people or colleagues, so much fun talking and laughing, and I go with girls I like, I am not in that stupid "stunning" idea, I just go with girls I like even if they are not physically on top, physical criteria is only in the head.[/QUOTE]Well each their own, for me, it is all about beauty first, so girls I sleep with has to be top stunner level beauty straight out from magazine level or hottest girl in university kinda stunner level beauty, so it takes me hours to find one like that nowadays sometimes going one club after another like I did in NRW FKKs LOL, but now I stopped NRW for few years, I may return though, you do find there, it is just so hard and got sick of going to bruggen, then back to city to LR then even later to Oceans etc.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2497038]So now your in late 30's. That's same range with me lets meet in FKK LOL.

OK, I'm on the same boat, I fly 3 times a year, 5 consecutive FKK days in Sharks with a friend, I miss Shark. I want 10 - 14 days after Corona.

I met 2 guys in Sharks and they told me (and the story was confirmed by a girl I know) that they come to Sharks almost every weekend, they flight 10-12 hours (with transit) after work, and they stay 1 full day in Sharks then go to the airport to catch the airplane back home to work, they don't need vacation to visit Shark, they got bored and had planned mongering in Morocco and they tried to convince me to do it. Not my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]For me, it used to be 10 days everyday FKK, and 14 everyday FKK was max, then as I got older I shorten that to 5 consecutive days FKK trip as 10 to 14 days got bit too much! Even when I was in my late 20's, after 5th or 6th day, going to FKK felt like a job LOL And I used to do 5 to 7 rooms all with cums per day, so imagine doing that for 10 or 14 days everyday LOL!

So now I do one to three trips depend on how I feel and my schedule in private life of 5 days everyday FKK trip and it is just fine!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2497006]I never go to days in a row to a FKK, for me it is easy to visit mostly in Germany but also in Austria. I am only looking for top beauties, young, fresh, natural, no tattoos, no sili, no hair extensions, no smoking you can imagine how difficult my task is. Having spend 15 years in the FKK I know a lot of girls switching from one club to another. Even only 25 YO for me they are veteran and a no go for me. Of course I am not proud to fuck prostitutes and if I was able to fuck young and nice beauties in the real life I will do it for sure. Sometimes I am lucky to achieve it but not with a 20 YO, more with a 30 to 40 YO but I am also 60+, difficult to expect more without paying.[/QUOTE]Yes, our tastes are in same direction, I like natural beauty that is stunner level beauty, but yes, it is hard to find nowadays!

And OH you are lucky! I arrived in german FKK scene in 2009 because before I did not know about FKK even though I mongered in switzerland! And I was lucky enough to experience golden era of FKK that is let say 2009 to 2014 ish for me when line up was solid with quite few stunner level natural beauties from czech, Germany, poland, Austria etc, the races of girls that is hard to find in FKK nowadays, and you even had better time between 2005 to 2009, which I missed, but you were lucky enough to experience!

I still find stunner nowadays but there were days when I had to go from one club to another on same day to find the stunner to session with, or I just found one in the club, so it was close to no session day!

This year, I was lucky that I went to Globe in January and February by coincidence, but I think with this covid 19 situation, no FKK for me this year in winter, I can enter Germany or switzerland without quarantine as I am from Japan, but the problem is when I go back to Japan, my own nation will quarantine me for two weeks and also I prefer to save my lungs as I already fucked quite many stunner beauties in my life, so. I can take some season off!

Let us see what will happen next year though! I think next winter or summer, this thing may begin to be over for the sake of mongers too LOL! I am glad that I went this year, so I did my annual set duty of fucking beautiful white girls including romanian beauties already this year LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2496855]I need a minimum of 10 days to a maximum of 3 weeks all over Germany.[/QUOTE]Well we all know that you are the master of corn holes craving and love to travel to discover various culture collecting wonderful experiences on the side of mongering LOL!

I do enjoy some side activities too like dining german food at local best places, I do not drink, but I go to best pub with best German food usually and I also enjoy some exotic cuisines that are resulted from immigration in Germany like turkish food, some Arabic food and I always enjoyed Ethiopian food in the place called African queen in Frankfurt, but generally, I am so corrupted into mongering life that it is 11 AM to midnight in FKK trip LOL!

In Palace and Artemis, I tend to go there at around 4 or 5 pm as it is night shift club, so I have sometime in the morning and afternoon to discover the cities!

I also miss those morning hours in train stations in Germany commuting from Frankfurt to dusseldorf with nice hot cappuccino on my hand and some pastry bought in baker and enjoying them in ICE train watching the scenery of Germany! Good old days before covid 19, but I do not miss FKK that much this year as I went in earlier this year to Zurich as you know, so effect of FKK fasting is very mild for me!

I did 14 days before and some 10 days everyday FKK for years, and now for me 5 days are good, but as I get even older, I may have some days off from FKK during my trip like I did this year with my Zurich trip, but generally, I like every day FKK during my mongering trip to make the trip all sexual as hentai as I am LOL!

Hentai in the air LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2497059]Yes, our tastes are in same direction, I like natural beauty that is stunner level beauty, but yes, it is hard to find nowadays!.[/QUOTE]I went several times to Japan, what a beautiful country, very nice people with a great culture. I tried to date some nice beauties but it was impossible, I also went to Tokyo red light district, but (I can speak Chinese) most of the girls are no from Japan but from North China, so better for me to date them in China. I also went to the countryside (climbed the Mont Fuji) but there most of the people are 50+ and far more so very few young people to find, at a conclusion I never date any girl in Japan) contrary to China where it is so easy. To meet Rumanian girls you don t need to go to FKK, just spend several days in Bucharest, or Timisoara, or Brasov for sure you will find your luck.

Today will be announcement of new C19 rules in Germany (and / or the different Regions / Bundeslander).

The rumour is that next week (from November 4th onwards) all bars, cafés, clubs, etc have to close down:

[URL]https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/themen/coronavirus/lockdown-november-plaene-100.html[/URL]

Let's wait if this indeed becomes official today.