Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2650535]I posted this on the Bogota thread, and I will also post it here:

d.[/QUOTE]I was going to reply in detail to Pussycat123 then decided to dump my thoughts here instead. Consider that the members here are mostly coming from other parts of ISG. Their searches for dates are based on a specific perspective. Getting lais ASAP for as little as possible and hoping for a GFE. If you want to know how much various types of girls "charge" in Bogota. ISG posts are mostly it related to that perspective.

I dated a bilingual attorney in Bogota who picked me up in her Mercedes, went to university in Barcelona and is a 10. Also a very nice person to be around. Also dated a violinist, an Actress (Barcelona transplant) and others. If you approached them with the desire to get laid. Mentioning friends with benefits and money on your whatsapp. A quick visit, 300 – 800 COP you just lost the opportunity to ever know who they are. Even the ones who are middle class might be turned off. And yes you will make SA look like a P4 P site and make it more difficult for the next serious person to be successful.

The SA girls in Bogota who I want to meet are not all "for sale" however they will respond to someone respectful, kind and "at their level" because that is what they really want. Not money. Probably why Elvis does well with these types. I am not saying you can't do the P4 P with many of them. You might miss out on a lot. Not really friends with benefits at all.

IF she has been on SA for over a year, she's fair game (P4 P) she uses it as her income. All pro pussy I call it. I dislike those types.

I guess I am just saying. There's more diamonds out there if you take the time to mine them. Have REAL, respectful conversations and interest in who you are trying to meet. Yes, almost like a read date. Because it will be. One week blast messaging is IMHO only good for cheap quickies. I. E. I will be doing all-nighters with at last 2 girls in the next couple weeks. ALL NIGHT & additional days if I like them. $800,000 COP If you want quality, take the time and do not rush it. Good luck.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2650569]I guess I am just saying. There's more diamonds out there if you take the time to mine them. Have REAL, respectful conversations and interest in who you are trying to meet. Yes, almost like a real date. Because it will be.[/QUOTE]Right, we can't come at these girl on SA like they're prostitutes. Although ultimately, aren't most women tutes? I mean, if they're fucking us because of our money and wealth, then in my view that's prostituting themselves. They just don't want to feel or be treated like one. That's why I prefer legalized prostitution. Just cut the shit! You're here because you want a piece of my cash, and I'm here because I want a piece of your gash! Fair enough. Let's get to fucking and sucking!

First I want to thank PussyCat for joining our thread. I'dseen his excellent post over in Bogota thread and happy to have him contribute here. That post along with Don Carlos are both great because they show different perspectives and help us all. I def learned some things.

Originally I thought SA in Bogota would not be strong because P4 P is widely available via other means. Glad to be corrected on that point. And it's refreshing to see both viewpoints. If I am there a couple days and want a quick ONS there are def girls for that and the PC approach of direct fire will work great (obviously in US this method is tough if not damaging) but DC shows that in Bogota, played more like the US, you can get the same "real girl" GFE most of us are after in the US. And that's awesome news too. Thanks guys!

I've used SA for several trips to Mexico in 2021.

Outline: premium membership, a few pics, simple message in Spanish, say I'm American but travel to Mexico regularly. (Same MO as I described for Bogota earlier in this thread). The exchange rate is 20 MXN (Pesos)/ USD so 1,000 pesos is $50 USD.

Guadalajara (GDL) is said to be dangerous and is a base for certan narcos, but (Knock on wood) I've never had an issue there. These guys don't bother with tourists. The city is nice and pretty clean and I suggest Chapultepec district as base of operations.

I either stay in a hotel (e. G. Love It, Portobello, Krystal Urban) or an airbnb. Expect to pay $30-$50 per night for either option.

Here is a sample of the girls I met on SA in GDL:

A 26 yr old teacher who stayed the whole weekend with me. On the first trip I paid her 2500 pesos per day. Then she was always asking me "can I have this, can I have this?" when we were out shopping. So, to to stop the hassle I just gave her an extra 1,000 pesos per day spending money. It was surprising how she started budgeting once it was HER money she was spending. So, a total of 3,500 pesos per day. I also paid her bus fare and Ubers, total about 800 pesos. So for a whole weekend I paid around 7800 pesos ($390 USD). She was super cool, perfect English, intelligent. Total GFE, holding hands in the street, etc. People thought we were an engaged / married couple. We went on several weekend trips together to Tequila, etc. Despite her conservative appearance she was into freaky sex such as choking, anal etc. Not really my thing but interesting nonetheless. She claimed she was into older foreign guys and didn't like mexican guys because her ex BF had treated her pretty bad.

A professional athlete. 25 years old, absolutely rock hard body, in the gym every day. She was legit, she showed me pictures of her on podiums and with various national championship gold medals. But very feminine. I paid her 1500 pesos for 2-3 hours, plus Uber 200 pesos. CFS and BBBJ. This girl is solid gold.

A real estate lawyer: 25, very cute, perfect legs. I was paying her 2,000 pesos for two hours. She was a little bit shy and didn't like kissing. One time she went to Cabo on a work assignment and I flew down to meet her. I paid her 8,000 pesos ($400) for the weekend. Then she suddenly asked me to lend her $800 and I said no, so it ended.

So all in all, a pretty good selection. More expensive than, say, Colombia but a fraction of the cost of the same quality girls in the US and much closer to the US than Colombia.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2650569]I dated a bilingual attorney in Bogota who picked me up in her Mercedes, went to university in Barcelona and is a 10. Also a very nice person to be around. [/QUOTE]Don,

I think I chatted with her. She was amazing: world traveler, lawyer, Cordon Blue chef and absolutely stunning. Her family had plenty of money, and she wanted to break away from being dependent on her father. Yeah, I am glad that I never met her. I might have missed out on my current one if I was star struck by her. I am glad you found her first. LOL.

My gal lived in the nicest part of Bogota. She was modeling since age 13, worked for the government, and lived in the top strata in Bogota. She did not need anyone to support her.

I met another gal whose family owned a jewelry shop, and they had pretty good money. First time, I met her, she paid for my dinner, and she also never asked for a dime.

Those are the diamonds of which you speak. They want to meet successful men not be showered with cash. All those women were highly successful in their own right even in Colombia.

SA scene for me has been mixed. Overall, I would still do it for the quality of GFE and the different feel it brings from WG.

I have chatted with 75+ girls on the site but only about 40 moved to whatsapp or telegram. 50% conversion. From there, it gets tricky because not many local.

From that 40, about 10 came to discussing potential meet and actually met only 4. This is partly because many are 100 miles or so away from where I am. Off the 4, I had three ending up on my bed.

One was in France area. Decent outing. Candle lit dinner and wine at her place. But for some reason, not exciting enough to go back. Dropped after first fuck.

Second was two dates. One brunch and one dinner. Couldn't bed her yet but I would love to. She has been claiming she needs some time to work on herself. I'm being respectful of her well being, but not sure how long a rope I should give her. Already gave her 200 Eur to fix her car but not "investing" anymore unless she is willing to let my dick out on her. Any pro tips on how I could navigate this is welcome.

Third, lunch date. Was great and it seemed like she was going to bail out but she texted me late evening again. We had a few drinks that same evening and we fucked. Not repeating because even BJ was covered but I think I can get her to uncovered if I pull my strings.

Fourth. Best of the lot. We fucked bare in my car, she has blown me while driving country roads, and also some full on sex in bedroom. This one was not even expecting money. All she wanted was my dick. But, after few months, now she says she wants to get to regular dating scene and find her life partner. Bummer but I respect her choices. Left the door open to her for coming back.

Net-Net, pipeline dried up. Meeting the fifth one this weekend. Sportswoman. Looks super athletic. We had a video chat and things look promising. She is not a 8+. More like a 5. But I hage a thing for athletes. Let's see how it goes.

Any mentorship on how to improve my conversion rate is welcome. I see some pros here, particularly Steve9696, and tell myself that I need to up my game. But, not getting there.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2650813]SA scene for me has been mixed. Overall, I would still do it for the quality of GFE and the different feel it brings from WG.

I have chatted with 75+ girls on the site but only about 40 moved to whatsapp or telegram. 50% conversion. From there, it gets tricky because not many local.

From that 40, about 10 came to discussing potential meet and actually met only 4. This is partly because many are 100 miles or so away from where I am. Off the 4, I had three ending up on my bed.

One was in France area. Decent outing. Candle lit dinner and wine at her place. But for some reason, not exciting enough to go back. Dropped after first fuck.

Second was two dates. One brunch and one dinner. Couldn't bed her yet but I would love to. She has been claiming she needs some time to work on herself. I'm being respectful of her well being, but not sure how long a rope I should give her. Already gave her 200 Eur to fix her car but not "investing" anymore unless she is willing to let my dick out on her. Any pro tips on how I could navigate this is welcome.

Third, lunch date. Was great and it seemed like she was going to bail out but she texted me late evening again. We had a few drinks that same evening and we fucked. Not repeating because even BJ was covered but I think I can get her to uncovered if I pull my strings.

Fourth. Best of the lot. We fucked bare in my car, she has blown me while driving country roads, and also some full on sex in bedroom. This one was not even expecting money. All she wanted was my dick. But, after few months, now she says she wants to get to regular dating scene and find her life partner. Bummer but I respect her choices. Left the door open to her for coming back.

Net-Net, pipeline dried up. Meeting the fifth one this weekend. Sportswoman. Looks super athletic. We had a video chat and things look promising. She is not a 8+. More like a 5. But I hage a thing for athletes. Let's see how it goes.

Any mentorship on how to improve my conversion rate is welcome. I see some pros here, particularly Steve9696, and tell myself that I need to up my game. But, not getting there.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your results as far as contacts to close ratio is fine. What you are seeeing tho is the half-life of an SB is short. A year or two is unusual. More like a few months. So you have to be always on the prowl. Even when you think things are good you have to be looking. I think that is the main thing. As you feel a wind down at all you have to be looking.

And blue birds come along. I’ve been checking nearly daily for two years and have had adequate local SBs but my dream girl Shayla just magically appeared two weeks back and I pounced. We’re now an item and Have a bright future. Had I not been on daily surely someone else would have snapped her up.

OMG. Fair warning to you guys. Make sure to backup your photos and contacts regularly. Fortunately I felt my burner phone fading a couple months back. So I got a An extra SIM and set everything to back up to it. I can't imagine losing all my Rolodex and photos and videos.

Anyhow tonight my phone officially became a brick. After momentary panic I calmed down and realized I can get everything off it. But damn that was not a good feeling. ESP when you are in contact with your sweetie and setting up a date for tomorrow. I was able to lift her phone number in a moment of phone sanity and contact her by email (u can send a text by email if u know their carrier) but it just feels so bad for your hoe phone (that's what Kayla calls it LOL) to go belly up! Back it up fellas.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2651233]OMG. Fair warning to you guys. Make sure to backup your photos and contacts regularly.[/QUOTE]I usually email myself the phone and image of the current SBs too and once they are no longer current I delete the email.

I had a date with the fifth one. Looks - 5/6. Attitude - 8. Action. ***.

She lives 250 kms away from me. Since I did not have time to drive that far, she agreed to. I asked her to book a decent hotel, stay for the night, and meet me for brunch next day. She did nkt go overboard and get those 500 EUR hotels. She took a 100 EUR per night. So, good news there.

We met and chatted over brunch. Looks super fit. Turns out she is an active sportswoman. Perfect. I have a thing for sportswoman as I am into sports myself. Another bonus.

Then, turns out she just got out of a manipulative relationship and is not looking for one. Great. She doesn't have problem with me being married. Excellent. Also, ok driving to meet me once or twice a month. Awesome.

Then, we went for a walk in the town. I tried all the on / off tricks from Maestro Steve but nothing worked.

She said she is not in for sex, although she is open to it in future, certainly not on first date.

I move to another cafe, and grab some drinks with her hoping to sway her to bed. Failed again.

But, decided not to spoil what might be in store for future and let her go. Paid for her hotel, gas expenses and little more (250), as promised. Another investment hopefully bears fruit in future.

She seems ok with BBFS in future. Which certainly is a bonus. But for that, I first have to gey her naked and access that sports pussy. Lets wait and watch.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2650813]SA scene for me has been mixed. Overall, I would still do it for the quality of GFE and the different feel it brings from WG.

I have chatted with 75+ girls on the site but only about 40 moved to whatsapp or telegram. 50% conversion. From there, it gets tricky because not many local.

From that 40, about 10 came to discussing potential meet and actually met only 4. This is partly because many are 100 miles or so away from where I am. Off the 4, I had three ending up on my bed.

One was in France area. Decent outing. Candle lit dinner and wine at her place. But for some reason, not exciting enough to go back. Dropped after first fuck.

Second was two dates. One brunch and one dinner. Couldn't bed her yet but I would love to. She has been claiming she needs some time to work on herself. I'm being respectful of her well being, but not sure how long a rope I should give her. Already gave her 200 Eur to fix her car but not "investing" anymore unless she is willing to let my dick out on her. Any pro tips on how I could navigate this is welcome.

Third, lunch date. Was great and it seemed like she was going to bail out but she texted me late evening again. We had a few drinks that same evening and we fucked. Not repeating because even BJ was covered but I think I can get her to uncovered if I pull my strings.

Fourth. Best of the lot. We fucked bare in my car, she has blown me while driving country roads, and also some full on sex in bedroom. This one was not even expecting money. All she wanted was my dick. But, after few months, now she says she wants to get to regular dating scene and find her life partner. Bummer but I respect her choices. Left the door open to her for coming back.

Net-Net, pipeline dried up. Meeting the fifth one this weekend. Sportswoman. Looks super athletic. We had a video chat and things look promising. She is not a 8+. More like a 5. But I hage a thing for athletes. Let's see how it goes.

Any mentorship on how to improve my conversion rate is welcome. I see some pros here, particularly Steve9696, and tell myself that I need to up my game. But, not getting there.[/QUOTE]

Like others have said before me, this is a lot of work! I must have messaged a few hundred girls already, just to get a few to respond on the site, and then even fewer to go to text. These girls don't want "form letter" intros, but there are just too many of them for anything else (I'm in a Tier 1 city). So, what I have is a cut and paste intro, but then I will add to it and tailor that based on things I find in the girl's profile (yes I actually read their profiles). That is, provided she says much of anything about herself in her profile! Many don't say a damn thing, and yet they want you to say something that catches their attention!

So anyway, in a little less than a couple of weeks, I have communicated with like 7 girls by text. And from there, meets and greets have been set up. Already had somebody cancel on me twice! To the back of the line! So, meet and greet process has started, and have not identified a match yet. And all of the scams man. People wanting to sell you nudes, get you to invest in their cryptocurrency business, join their swinging group (just give them your email address), prostitutes, or just straight up asking for money outright. I see a lot of female profiles get taken down every day. I'm going to do this for a [B]short[/B] period of time, and that's it!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2651774]Like others have said before me, this is a lot of work! I must have messaged a few hundred girls already, just to get a few to respond on the site, and then even fewer to go to text. These girls don't want "form letter" intros, but there are just too many of them for anything else (I'm in a Tier 1 city). [/QUOTE]I know what you're going through. I had this same problem when I lived in SF. So eventually I started searching nearby towns (in North Bay, East Bay, and South Bay, but still within 50 miles of SF). My success rate went up dramatically. But that meant that I had to drive a couple of hours to meet them, and the hours can really add up, and it will be way more frustrating if they do not show.

Another way to increase your success rate is to check the site every day and jump on anyone that is new to the site. Many of the gals that I ended up "dating" were ones that were very new to the site. There was this one gal, 24 years old, super hot and just returned home from finishing graduate school. I noticed that she just joined SA. I quickly chatted her up, exchanged contact info, and set up a date. After an hour or so, her profile disappeared from the site. I freaked out, because I thought I was being scammed or being targeted in a sting, or something like that. I mean, why would she be on the site for an hour or two and then disappear? And so on text, I asked her why she disappeared from the site, and she said that within the first couple of hours of her being on it, she got hundreds of guys messaging her, and it just overwhelmed her and so she went off of it. So, this really made me realize how competitive it was for us guys. SA keeps bragging that there are 4 or 5 women for every guy on the site. But there obviously is a lot of competition to get the gems. Every gal that I talked to on SA said that they have to weed through hundreds of messages every time they log onto the site. They spend a second on each message and move on to the next. And so, we really do have to figure out ways for our messages or profiles to stand out. I did not have a picture on my profile, and so that made it easier for the gals to just move onto the next guy's message.

On a related note, on the site many gals lie about their location. They might say they are located in SF when they were really in a small nearby town. Or, they might say they are in town X when they really live in town Z. I guess it made them feel more discrete.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2651918] So, this really made me realize how competitive it was for us guys. SA keeps bragging that there are 4 or 5 women for every guy on the site. But there obviously is a lot of competition to get the gems. Every gal that I talked to on SA said that they have to weed through hundreds of messages every time they log onto the site. They spend a second on each message and move on to the next. And so, we really do have to figure out ways for our messages or profiles to stand out. I did not have a picture on my profile, and so that made it easier for the gals to just move onto the next guy's message.

On a related note, on the site many gals lie about...[/QUOTE]There are 4 to 5 Fuglies for every guy. Very few slims, whites and babes for every guy, they get hundreds of messages. And they want more money than fuglies.

The older women are much more available, but have saggy tits, baby bellies and want to boss you around, they are less money. The older women are like cow chips. As they get older they are easier to pickup- if you like saggy tits, flabby bellies and talk, talk, talk, question, interrogations, etc.

You can post photos on the message page with each girl to stand out. I often do. Maybe a dic pic would make your profile "stand out" and let the girl know you are serious.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2651918]Another way to increase your success rate is to check the site every day and jump on anyone that is new to the site.

On a related note, on the site many gals lie about their location. [/QUOTE]Try leaving your computer on 24/7. That way your profile will show up as recently active all the time and you will get more hits. You can turn the monitor off at night and when you wake up in the morning you will be surprised all the messages you receive, although most will be from Venezuela, trying to sell you photos online for paypal money.

Most people lie about many things on this site. Age, location, animal lover, etc. But they check "prefer not to say" if they have children. I have not owned a dog for 40 years but post a photos with a puppy, women love it. Many women have multiple profiles to increase their hits, it costs them nothing to create a new profile with a different multiple email account.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2651924]Most people lie about many things on this site. Age, location, animal lover, etc. But they check "prefer not to say" if they have children. I have not owned a dog for 40 years but post a photos with a puppy, women love it. Many women have multiple profiles to increase their hits, it costs them nothing to create a new profile with a different multiple email account.[/QUOTE]This is so true. Lying going on everywhere! Including by us guys. But, I find the "prefer not to say" about having kids to be pretty funny because it obviously means that you do have kids LOL! So, you may as well just go ahead and say so.