Jakarta

[QUOTE=Knight 1001]How much did she cost you and was she happy with it?

Cheers[/QUOTE]

When are you returning my friend?

[QUOTE=Dorman]

"mEt pG Abng sBIMny sY mAu minta mAaf,jN6n cArI2 Cw y6 pAke No 0815****** Itu cW sY.trimA kSh Abng"

[/QUOTE]

The translation is not for Dorman who speaks Indonesian fluently, but for those who don't.

"Good morning, bro. Begging your pardon in advance, but please don't contact the girl whose phonenumber is 0815*******. She's my girl! Thank you, bro."

Dorman, maybe that's an sms from a girl who doesn't want to share your affections with another! A nice way to eliminate competition!
But, she must know better. She should have mentioned those other 1132 phonenumbers that you may not contact ;)

[QUOTE=Jkt After Dark 2]"Selamat pagi Abang! Sebelumnya saya mau minta maaf, jangan cari-cari cewek yang pakai nomor 0815******. Itu cewek saya. Terimakasih Abang!"[/QUOTE]

I'm curious. If cW and Cw are both abbreviations for cewek, what is the abbreviation for cowok?

Thanks for the translations gentlemen, I think the "mEt pG. . .sBIMny" was the confusing bit, perfectly obvious now when I see it written properly, honestly sometimes you feel like an Ultra code breaker in Beltchley Park when you try to work out these texts and why do they insist on the upper case/lower case letters? And as for the ones who can't spell! Oh dear I think I'm starting to show my age now. I also see that 'Abang' of course refers to me not the sender, schoolboy stuff really, I have to say he's remarkably polite given the circumstances don't you think?

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to stick to the other 1131 contacts or better yet steal Menteng's handphone, now that would make for interesting reading.

[QUOTE=Smoothy]I'm curious. If cW and Cw are both abbreviations for cewek, what is the abbreviation for cowok?[/QUOTE]

It used to be "ce" resp. "co". I don't understand why it has changed.

Smoothy, now you mention it: Dorman are you sure, that the sms is not about a cowok? To think that I've shared several beers with you at D's and now someone asks you, not to call her/his cowok anymore!

Ja, ja, ja (that's Colombian for ha, ha, ha)


My phone? Not worth it brother. Only Colombian numbers now and messages from angry husbands ;) How could I know those women I comforted are married? I only speak Indonesian and body language, no Spanish :(

[QUOTE=Dorman]First of all I'd like to thank JAD for his helpful translation of my mysterious sms message, it pretty much confirms what I thought.

Hopefully, if I'm not asking too much, he might also help explain a decidedly irritating experience I had in the Malioboro Spa this evening.

It was 10pm and I was watching the go-go dancers do their stuff, nothing special but when one of them approached me I gave her tits the customary rub and nodded for the usual recompense (50,000 per squeeze), I was a bit disconcerted when this was translated into three shots but I'm a big boy and got over it and went on to check out the "local" section in the wine bar (not being particularly enthused by over-priced Ukrainians in the main bar).

Anyway I took my seat and a Mama dutifully arrived, she explained that the girls celebrating a birthday by knocking back a bottle of Johnny Walker in the adjacent booth were her girls. No problem, she insisted that number *** was the best girl, but I didn't fancy her, were there any others? Yes of course but he kept coming back to the same girl, meanwhile I noticed other clients were getting the full "line 'em up and let the punters see the goodies" treatment. At this point I got a little bit irritated and asked Mama why my selection was being so limited.

She said that some of the girls didn't like bules, now remember this is a club that provides Ukrainian and Russian not to mention Thai and Chinese girls on tap. I remained calm and asked whether it was only bules the girls didn't like, no she replied they don't like Arabs either! I remarked that this was a bit out of order, she sighed and agreed and said it was the boss's fault; "they don't punish the girls enough"! As you can imagine I was getting a little annoyed at this point and a male "papasan" arrived and called on his retinue, but it was quite obvious that he was offering me the second eleven and the quality girls were being reserved for the other customers.

Well I am usually an easygoing chap, I accept I'm a foreigner in this town and the same privileges don't apply to me but I have to say this bugged me a bit, I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of but I was getting distinctly second class treatment so I did something I've never done before; I complained. As I was paying I mentioned to the cashier that I was unhappy about the discriminatory practices, a young lad, the boss I presume, heard me and asked for details, he called the male "papasan" and whilst my BI might not be perfect I could clearly hear that he confirmed my story. Anyway the upshot was that I said I wasn't happy, the boss didn't seem terribly concerned, I said I would mention it on the internet, he still didn't seem bothered, so I paid my bill and being a man of my word I'm posting this up.

If Malioboro think I misunderstood their position, they have the perfect forum to contradict me.[/QUOTE]

I sympathize with Dorman because of this experience with the Malioboro because as a commercial establishment it should not discriminate between customers. I have had similar experience with the Alexis when the Mamasan told me that a girl I has asked for didn't want to go with me because she didn't want to service a 'bule'. Fortunately, not being a bule I was able to tell the mamasan that she had got it wrong and that I had already had a session with the girl earlier. The misunderstanding removed, I was able to enjoy the services of the girl.

Probably, JAD may be better able to explain the matter why the Malioboro management discriminated against Dorman. However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers. I think, bro Dorman should also realize that the colour of his skin is a great passport in Indonesia where 'kulit putih' is in great demand because, in my experience, most Indonesians suffer from a colonial hangover and venerate the white man, though God alone knows why because from all reports they suffered quite horribly under the Dutch.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason- may be she is afraid of the size of his prick (the mythical bule endowment that is legendary here just like the mythical size of a black man's prick in the US) or his smell or whatever.

I would, therefore, advise bro Dorman to take it philosophically because he should realize that it is more often an advantage for a mongerer to be a 'bule' in Indonesia than a disadvantage and he should count his blessings in this regard rather than boasting on the size of his wallet. In passing, I should point out that in my experience the Indonesians who frequent the up-market spas could buy me and even most other mongerers several times over seeing the cars that they come in and the money that they spend like water. Let me conclude by clarifying that this is not to flame anyone nor is it directed at any ethnic group but an attempt to put the matter in perspective.

[quote=barson]another hotel travel report

oh. like other previous monger, donot use the massge service in this place. they are not very well trained to do traditional stuff. almost ruin my back when i went there the other time. you know that sort of place where they just kill time hurting you until the fj negotiation. i would go to tropical spa if for massage.

cheers

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for real massage i recommend delta group. they are still the best place for massage, "even at the end only hand service"...

but for massage plus2x; i suggest you to choose the place which you can only tip the therapist 200,000-300,000 rupiahs / please do not overpay more than this amount...

remember i ever posted that girl's share in travel bordell only 80,000-90,000 rupiahs (for an hour)...and you give to therapist for 300,000 rupiahs /minimal ? (for tip fj)

* i ever tried no 18 in puri sehat and her name was yanti, she asked tip for fj 300,000 rupiahs that moment and i ignored what she begged...just hj for 50,000 rupiahs and ok for me that time. btw she isn't the bearer of that number anymore...

cheers...

[QUOTE=Knight 1001]How much did she cost you and was she happy with it?

Cheers[/QUOTE]


Knight 1001:

I was very generous and gave her 600,000 + 50,000 for the staff.

Woodman

[QUOTE=Spice Lover]I sympathize with Dorman because of this experience with the Malioboro because as a commercial establishment it should not discriminate between customers. I have had similar experience with the Alexis when the Mamasan told me that a girl I has asked for didn't want to go with me because she didn't want to service a 'bule'. Fortunately, not being a bule I was able to tell the mamasan that she had got it wrong and that I had already had a session with the girl earlier. The misunderstanding removed, I was able to enjoy the services of the girl.

Probably, JAD may be better able to explain the matter why the Malioboro management discriminated against Dorman. However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers. I think, bro Dorman should also realize that the colour of his skin is a great passport in Indonesia where 'kulit putih' is in great demand because, in my experience, most Indonesians suffer from a colonial hangover and venerate the white man, though God alone knows why because from all reports they suffered quite horribly under the Dutch.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason- may be she is afraid of the size of his prick (the mythical bule endowment that is legendary here just like the mythical size of a black man's prick in the US) or his smell or whatever.

I would, therefore, advise bro Dorman to take it philosophically because he should realize that it is more often an advantage for a mongerer to be a 'bule' in Indonesia than a disadvantage and he should count his blessings in this regard rather than boasting on the size of his wallet. In passing, I should point out that in my experience the Indonesians who frequent the up-market spas could buy me and even most other mongerers several times over seeing the cars that they come in and the money that they spend like water. Let me conclude by clarifying that this is not to flame anyone nor is it directed at any ethnic group but an attempt to put the matter in perspective.[/QUOTE]Well-spoken.

[QUOTE=Woodman]Knight 1001:

I was very generous and gave her 600,000 + 50,000 for the staff.

Woodman[/QUOTE]

In the Hyatt, I don't think you could have gotten away with giving her much less than that.

Had been to Tropical Spa this evening and thought of filing this FR.

Thanks to the directions found on the FRs on ISG, I could reach straight from TransJKT bus Harmony station and then took a Blue Bird. It took 10 minutes to find the location.

After entering and undergoing the usual Shoe keeping and shorts / locker formalities, straightaway went to 2nd floor to pick up a FL. Number of WGs are very less and now a days they have in introduced a body to body massage therapy (with Oil) and cost is Rp250000 plus tips. Selected a girl Tanya aged 23 from Java who gave a very good body oil massage and BBBJ followed by FJ. Session lasted for 40 minutes and then proceeded to 3rd floor to a different room to get another massage of 2x45 mins. It was a good session followed by a nice HJ. Girls name was Rita, she told she is 29, but I guess she is 35.

She wanted 200K for FJ (though the place is not suitable for FJ), but gave 50K tip for HJ.

Total Damages: 250+50+165+50 = Rp 515 K (for 3X45 min)

Rating: satisfactory and worthy.

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[QUOTE=Spice Lover]I sympathize with Dorman because of this experience with the Malioboro because as a commercial establishment it should not discriminate between customers. I have had similar experience with the Alexis when the Mamasan told me that a girl I has asked for didn't want to go with me because she didn't want to service a 'bule'. Fortunately, not being a bule I was able to tell the mamasan that she had got it wrong and that I had already had a session with the girl earlier. The misunderstanding removed, I was able to enjoy the services of the girl.

Probably, JAD may be better able to explain the matter why the Malioboro management discriminated against Dorman. However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers. I think, bro Dorman should also realize that the colour of his skin is a great passport in Indonesia where 'kulit putih' is in great demand because, in my experience, most Indonesians suffer from a colonial hangover and venerate the white man, though God alone knows why because from all reports they suffered quite horribly under the Dutch.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason- may be she is afraid of the size of his prick (the mythical bule endowment that is legendary here just like the mythical size of a black man's prick in the US) or his smell or whatever.

I would, therefore, advise bro Dorman to take it philosophically because he should realize that it is more often an advantage for a mongerer to be a 'bule' in Indonesia than a disadvantage and he should count his blessings in this regard rather than boasting on the size of his wallet. In passing, I should point out that in my experience the Indonesians who frequent the up-market spas could buy me and even most other mongerers several times over seeing the cars that they come in and the money that they spend like water. Let me conclude by clarifying that this is not to flame anyone nor is it directed at any ethnic group but an attempt to put the matter in perspective.[/QUOTE]Spice Lover,

I am very impressed with this eloquent piece or writing. You must be a diplomat

Dorman all I have to say is no body ever has to fuck you or anyone else. If girls have absolutely NO choice it is called 'slavery'. We mongers have a choice in who we choose to fuck/pay and believe it or not the girls have a choice too. If you didn't like it you should have just left the establishment instead of begrudgingly handing over your money to them. We all have been scammed or learned costly lessons while enjoying our hobby. This is life, deal with it. If you want *****s that always accept people of your color, then go to a region of the world where you are the typical client.

Even in the US, many hot white/asian WG's say they won't fuck black guys. I don't think another 'million man March' against these girls will do a damn thing. People have a choice. The same way you have the choice in choosing only the girls that seem 'attractive' to you, even these girls have a choice, as ludicrous that may seem to you.

Let me put it another way. If you walked into a Bordello, and then the mama walks over to you and slaps the cousin of big foot on your lap, what would you do? Lets say nobody gets to have a 'CHOICE' of who fucks who. Would you nail sasquatch's cousin? I doubt it. So if YOU can have a choice, why the hell can't the girls?

Look the truth is. In this hobby, if you're younger, more attractive, and have a great body you're going to get more looks from hotter girls and better service, period. It is true in our hobby as it is in pretty much anything in life, where how you look and who you are plays a role.

I know you were upset about being denied equal service, but honestly the arrogance in saying " I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of " is a pretty weak comeback. Because regardless of what you do, if you worked in Jakarta and your services were priced for the local market and you were paid in rupia, without the benefit of an exchange rate, I'm pretty sure many here would not be able to go to places such as Malioboro. Context is very important. I used to think I was well off until I partied with some friends of mine that would dump $20, 000 USD CASH on one (1) night out of whoring and drinking.

We are tourists. We are visiting their country, so no matter how much you think the cash in your pocket entitles you to respect, it helps to be humble in another man's house.

Spice Lover, I can sympathize with Dorman too, as I've had same thing happen at TC, Bintang Mawar, and a couple of other places in north Jakarta. I don't think Dorman was displaying "bule" arrogance. It's more like a case of hooker arrogance. From what I understand, this is common in Japan and Korea, where some of the locals think the rest of us are less than human. If this were a case of the women not wanting to go with men they can't communicate with, I'd understand. But I don't think that's the case, I think it's ignorance and racism.

Frankly if I were in your shoes I'd get annoyed if turned away on account of my nationality. Also I don't understand your last paragraph below. Are hookers and their tenders asking your nationality, and then turning you down if you don't respond with the right answer?

[QUOTE=Spice Lover]However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason[/QUOTE]

Anyway I took my seat and a Mama dutifully arrived, she explained that the girls celebrating a birthday by knocking back a bottle of Johnny Walker in the adjacent booth were her girls. No problem, she insisted that number *** was the best girl, but I didn't fancy her, were there any others? Yes of course but he kept coming back to the same girl, meanwhile I noticed other clients were getting the full "line 'them up and let the punters see the goodies" treatment. At this point I got a little bit irritated and asked Mama why my selection was being so limited.

She said that some of the girls didn't like bules, now remember this is a club that provides Ukrainian and Russian not to mention Thai and Chinese girls on tap. I remained calm and asked whether it was only bules the girls didn't like, no she replied they don't like Arabs either! I remarked that this was a bit out of order, she sighed and agreed and said it was the boss's fault; "they don't punish the girls enough"! As you can imagine I was getting a little annoyed at this point and a male "papasan" arrived and called on his retinue, but it was quite obvious that he was offering me the second eleven and the quality girls were being reserved for the other customers.

Well I am usually an easygoing chap, I accept I'm a foreigner in this town and the same privileges don't apply to me but I have to say this bugged me a bit, I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of but I was getting distinctly second class treatment so I did something I've never done before; I complained. As I was paying I mentioned to the cashier that I was unhappy about the discriminatory practices, a young lad, the boss I presume, heard me and asked for details, he called the male "papasan" and whilst my BI might not be perfect I could clearly hear that he confirmed my story. Anyway the upshot was that I said I wasn't happy, the boss didn't seem terribly concerned, I said I would mention it on the internet, he still didn't seem bothered, so I paid my bill and being a man of my word I'm posting this up.

If Malioboro think I misunderstood their position, they have the perfect forum to contradict me.

First, my sympathize to bro Dorman, but to be fair, different places caters to different clientails.

I sympathize with Dorman because of this experience with the Malioboro because as a commercial establishment it should not discriminate between customers. I have had similar experience with the Alexis when the Mamasan told me that a girl I has asked for didn't want to go with me because she didn't want to service a 'bule'. Fortunately, not being a bule I was able to tell the mamasan that she had got it wrong and that I had already had a session with the girl earlier. The misunderstanding removed, I was able to enjoy the services of the girl.

Probably, JAD may be better able to explain the matter why the Malioboro management discriminated against Dorman. However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers. I think, bro Dorman should also realize that the colour of his skin is a great passport in Indonesia where 'kulit putih' is in great demand because, in my experience, most Indonesians suffer from a colonial hangover and venerate the white man, though God alone knows why because from all reports they suffered quite horribly under the Dutch.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason- may be she is afraid of the size of his prick (the mythical bule endowment that is legendary here just like the mythical size of a black man's prick in the US) or his smell or whatever.

I would, therefore, advise bro Dorman to take it philosophically because he should realize that it is more often an advantage for a mongerer to be a 'bule' in Indonesia than a disadvantage and he should count his blessings in this regard rather than boasting on the size of his wallet. In passing, I should point out that in my experience the Indonesians who frequent the up-market spas could buy me and even most other mongerers several times over seeing the cars that they come in and the money that they spend like water. Let me conclude by clarifying that this is not to flame anyone nor is it directed at any ethnic group but an attempt to put the matter in perspective.

Bro Spice Lover, you are a True States Man, but I think establishment do play a race card and class status. Going south the girls tends to choose the White and Japanese guys and nearer to Kota they tends to choose local Chinese.

That is just the suiting to the market demands.

Spice Lover,

I am very impressed with this eloquent piece or writing. You must be a diplomat

Dorman all I have to say is no body ever has to fuck you or anyone else. If girls have absolutely NO choice it is called 'slavery'. We mongers have a choice in who we choose to fuck/pay and believe it or not the girls have a choice too. If you didn't like it you should have just left the establishment instead of begrudgingly handing over your money to them. We all have been scammed or learned costly lessons while enjoying our hobby. This is life, deal with it. If you want *****s that always accept people of your color, then go to a region of the world where you are the typical client.

Even in the US, many hot white/asian WG's say they won't fuck black guys. I don't think another 'million man March' against these girls will do a damn thing. People have a choice. The same way you have the choice in choosing only the girls that seem 'attractive' to you, even these girls have a choice, as ludicrous that may seem to you.

Let me put it another way. If you walked into a Bordello, and then the mama walks over to you and slaps the cousin of big foot on your lap, what would you do? Lets say nobody gets to have a 'CHOICE' of who fucks who. Would you nail sasquatch's cousin? I doubt it. So if YOU can have a choice, why the hell can't the girls?

Look the truth is. In this hobby, if you're younger, more attractive, and have a great body you're going to get more looks from hotter girls and better service, period. It is true in our hobby as it is in pretty much anything in life, where how you look and who you are plays a role.

I know you were upset about being denied equal service, but honestly the arrogance in saying " I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of " is a pretty weak comeback. Because regardless of what you do, if you worked in Jakarta and your services were priced for the local market and you were paid in rupia, without the benefit of an exchange rate, I'm pretty sure many here would not be able to go to places such as Malioboro. Context is very important. I used to think I was well off until I partied with some friends of mine that would dump $20, 000 USD CASH on one (1) night out of whoring and drinking.

We are tourists. We are visiting their country, so no matter how much you think the cash in your pocket entitles you to respect, it helps to be humble in another man's house.

I personal can see it both ways; I a mixed blood living in Jakarta and I sometimes get discriminated both ways, when I am in the south and I speak a bit bahasa, the girls would be put off by me, as I look somewhat Caucasian. They preceived to be bule and I have localize; and the reverse had happened to me also was in Kota's KTV. Freinds all local invited me to join them KTV's they said they already pick a girls for me, when I got there, the girl left the room stating that she do not want to serve a bule. It [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the hell off my friends, they tried to explain to the girl that I am not bule but to no sucess.

That is how the dice roll.

Money talks and bullshit walk, and in this line money not race talks louder.

So I move on, maybe my wallet is not thick enough that night.

My humble two cents.

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[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Spice Lover, I can sympathize with Dorman too, as I've had same thing happen at TC, Bintang Mawar, and a couple of other places in north Jakarta. [/QUOTE]Guys,

Another thing to consider is that bule's generally occupy the middle range of the mongering market. We normally stay away from the very bottom and very top end girls (see JAD's reports on invitation only events and 30 MRp. ST models and actresses).

I'm not suggesting that the establishments mentioned are top of the line or the members mentioned are poor hobos just that sometimes the girls prefer to stick to their normal market

Again no offernce to anyone. Just my HO.

Goffer