Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.[/QUOTE]Do you think more reports will convince you? There will always be lovers and haters of Pattaya and people who are in between. You really have to go there yourself to find out to which group you belong.
I belong to the 'in between' group. Pattaya has declined over the years (but so has Bangkok and other monger destinations) but is still worth going to IMO.

Just ignore the over the top positive reports (from for example Monkeypaw) and negative reports (from for example EihTooms). They are exxagerated most of the time.

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Just ignore the over the top positive reports (from for example Monkeypaw) and negative reports (from for example EihTooms). They are exxagerated most of the time.[/QUOTE]Where did you think I exaggerated so much (over the top?) in my reply to Penguin69's question that you think he ought to just ignore it?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256760]Well, no, that wasn't really the "uncool" part that I was asking about or what you could have meant when you said "Besides, not cool to knock these girls up, spread shit around & ruin the fun for others", right? I don't believe girls are getting knocked up or anyone risks those other things if they are openly groped in the bar. But if you'd rather not answer my question, no problem, of course.
[/QUOTE]Oh didn't realize that's what you meant.

No, I haven't done any of those things. IE: knock girls up, spread shit, etc.

In my original post, I only brought that up in regards to top gogo girls not appreciating guys asking to bareback on their first session.
In general, I don't think its cool to bareback working girls. Not unless there is some serious trust between both parties.

At the end of the day, when going bareback, girl has a lot more at risk than the guy. She's already likely less financially stable than the monger, at risk of having a kid & potentially having to raise it herself, and stds? Whereas the guy only has to worry about stds.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256908]Where did you think I exaggerated so much (over the top?) in my reply to Penguin69's question that you think he ought to just ignore it?[/QUOTE]Uhm... in the entire post?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256912]Uhm... in the entire post?[/QUOTE]Silly answer. And a dodge.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256911]Oh didn't realize that's what you meant.

No, I haven't done any of those things. IE: knock girls up, spread shit, etc.

In my original post, I only brought that up in regards to top gogo girls not appreciating guys asking to bareback on their first session.
In general, I don't think its cool to bareback working girls. Not unless there is some serious trust between both parties.

At the end of the day, when going bareback, girl has a lot more at risk than the guy. She's already likely less financially stable than the monger, at risk of having a kid & potentially having to raise it herself, and stds? Whereas the guy only has to worry about stds.[/QUOTE]No, I wasn't asking if you knocked up the girls, spread shit, etc. either. LOL. But I think you answered my question anyway. Thanks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256914]Silly answer. And a dodge.[/QUOTE]I'm not dodging anything. The entire post is extremely negative. It's your one hundredth rant about Pattaya being a shit hole and that there are hardly any attractive girls there. We got that the first time already.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256928]I'm not dodging anything. The entire post is extremely negative. It's your one hundredth rant about Pattaya being a shit hole and that there are hardly any attractive girls there. We got that the first time already.[/QUOTE]That is an over the top exaggeration of what is actually stated in my post. I recommend anyone but the middle of the road uncommitted to any position on the issue to ignore what you posted here.

Actually, I did not tell Penquin69 that the place was a "shit hole". Did you even read my reply to him? If anything, I merely reinforced and confirmed what Phazze63 had to say about the relative rarity of very good looking girls in Pattaya. So rare that even he could only cite 5 go-go bars on Walking Street as locations where some might be found. Pretty much what I had to say about it too. He did not even find one girl worth spending his P4P time with in any of the other non go-go bar venues and those are the ones Penguin69 is most curious about! The only way I took my assessment of the destination further than he did was in giving my opinion why the various levels of P4P girls below "top stunners" stay lower in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

Is Phazze63 an over the top exaggerated negative Pattaya poster, too?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256915]No, I wasn't asking if you knocked up the girls, spread shit, etc. either. LOL. But I think you answered my question anyway. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

lol care to clarify then?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256930] If anything, I merely reinforced and confirmed what Phazze63 had to say about the relative rarity of very good looking girls in Pattaya. So rare that even he could only cite 5 go-go bars on Walking Street as locations where some might be found. Pretty much what I had to say about it too. He did not even find one girl worth spending his P4P time with in any of the other non go-go bar venues and those are the ones Penguin69 is most curious about! The only way I took my assessment of the destination further than he did was in giving my opinion why the various levels of P4P girls below "top stunners" stay lower in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

Is Phazze63 an over the top exaggerated negative Pattaya poster, too?[/QUOTE]

I can't speak for other mongers, but I am very particular. I will say, there were plenty of good looking girls... but I was & will always be after a very specific classification of stunner.
that being said, i generally wouldn't be shocked if there were more top 1% stunners in bangkok than in pattaya. Bkk is a cool big city after all. like comparing New Jersey and New York City.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256930]That is an over the top exaggeration of what is actually stated in my post. I recommend anyone but the middle of the road uncommitted to any position on the issue to ignore what you posted here.

Actually, I did not tell Penquin69 that the place was a "shit hole". Did you even read my reply to him? If anything, I merely reinforced and confirmed what Phazze63 had to say about the relative rarity of very good looking girls in Pattaya. So rare that even he could only cite 5 go-go bars on Walking Street as locations where some might be found. Pretty much what I had to say about it too. He did not even find one girl worth spending his P4P time with in any of the other non go-go bar venues and those are the ones Penguin69 is most curious about! The only way I took my assessment of the destination further than he did was in giving my opinion why the various levels of P4P girls below "top stunners" stay lower in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

Is Phazze63 an over the top exaggerated negative Pattaya poster, too?[/QUOTE]No, Phazze93's posts about Pattaya are more 'balanced' with both positive and negative remarks. Yours always seem to be very negative which is getting annoying if you ask me.

And Phazze93 didn't say there are only 5 gogo-bars where you can find good looking girls. He only said those 5 bars were his favorites.

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that being said, i generally wouldn't be shocked if there were more top 1% stunners in bangkok than in pattaya. Bkk is a cool big city after all. like comparing New Jersey and New York City.[/QUOTE]I agree. Comparing BKK and Pattaya is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. BKK has around 14 million inhabitants versus Pattaya around 100.000.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Spent a week in Pattaya recently. Decided to skip the WS go-go bars all together this time and focus on the LK Metro area. I think if you are a middle aged western guy this area really will provide what you need. I took 4 girls from the Billabong bar. Ladys here are around 30 years or above, but some of them are quite pretty, 3-4 of them at least. A very nice experience with all of them. Paid around 2500 bath for the whole night. One of them stayed with me all of next day. These are freelancer and wear a "badge" so you know they are not service girls. 300 bath barfine to the bar. Had one girl from Thai Friendly; very pretty girl, a bit of a fashion queen. Said she received 25-50 requests for sex every day. So I guess I felt lucky. Her performance was so-so and I was happy when she left after 2 hours. Paid her only 1000 bath and she was happy! A bit ting-tong girl actually. Also had 2 girls from LK Metro bars. Went there late around 2:30 AM and agreed to meet them after the go-go close at 3:00 AM. No problem and nice girls, GFE and good performance. I paid them 3000 I think. All night. A good advice also mentioned by some of the youtube vloggers; set your expectations low when in Pattaya. Then you might be surprised what you find! Forget about the top end girls in the top end WS go-go's if you are not wealthy or Korean; much better service will be given by less attractive but still sexy girls and in other areas. So, all in all LK Metro area provided with me with a good result this time. Much better than chasing the WS topend girls. In addition LK Metro / Soi Bukaow area have some really cool bars now. The area is thriving!

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Pattaya has a greater volume of women and areas / establishments in close proximity. You will spend far less time commuting and you will see far more available women each day. This makes things very convenient. There is also an unequaled sexual energy in Pattaya that I can't begin to describe. For someone who likes areas of the world such as this, it's a must see, must experience location. In my opinion there is no where like it in the world. It's only a 109 baht bus ride from Bangkok and you'll be there in 2 hours.

Also If you don't like gogos and aren't a drinker that won't be a problem in Pattaya. There are 100's of establishments that aren't gogos. There are countless beer bars, regular bars, lounge bars, massage parlors and a multitude of freelancers that you can invite to spend time with you and skip the bar scene altogether. I will often order juice or soda as I like to go for long periods without drinking. When you buy ladydrinks most of the girls order soda anyway, so it won't seem unusual to them.

I'm not saying it's better than Bangkok. To each their own. I have a great time in Bangkok and there is far more to do and see there outside of chasing women. The food is also far superior in Bangkok and cheaper and the women tend to dress classier, which I like.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256936]lol care to clarify then?
[/QUOTE]I was only asking if you ever did engage in bareback (BBFS+CIP) with those top quality girls.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256938]No, Phazze93's posts about Pattaya are more 'balanced' with both positive and negative remarks. Yours always seem to be very negative which is getting annoying if you ask me.

And Phazze93 didn't say there are only 5 gogo-bars where you can find good looking girls. He only said those 5 bars were his favorites.[/QUOTE]Phazze93's bottom line assessment of Pattaya as a mongering destination is virtually identical to what I have been saying about it;

- That there are a small number of top (looking) girls in a small group of WS go-go bars if you care to search them out, leap through flaming hoops and pay dearly to take your chances with them. Otherwise, he had no interest in pulling girls from any other venue options in town. He apparently only pulled one girl from a go-go bar outside that small group of WS go-go bars and seemed to me to have been so bored by the experience he will likely not do it again any time soon. Unless the top (looking) girls move to other bars.

In many ways, Phazze93's bottom line conclusions about Pattaya as a mongering destination are more negative than mine. I actually allowed that the above average P4P girls in Pattaya would be "barely" acceptable to someone who is fine taking that level of girl in Bangkok. He took NONE who were not either from the pool of top (looking) girls in those particular WS go-go bars and one relatively close to them. NONE from any other venue option where those above average P4P girls work.

The only difference between his conclusions and what I have been saying about it is I have given what I believe are some of the reasons the girls below the top (looking) girls are inferior to that same level of girl in Bangkok. And I am not talking about just looks. I have done that because I believe the problem is systemic and not just a bad week in Pattaya and it will be better next week. It won't. The real world conditions there are simply not conducive to drawing more than a very few top (looking) Thai girls to the destination to service Pattaya's customers. And those girls aren't going to touch Pattaya's typical customer with a barge pole.

There was only one small question I had of Phazzee93 that, had it been answered very differently, might have been a case where my stated opinion of the place FOR ME ought to be reconsidered. And, frankly, so far he has not answered it any different than I would have predicted and already have assessed about the place.