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[QUOTE=FRHolmes;1531808]I think prostitution is their plan A. From the time they were born, they were groomed to be a hooker! Sad but true.[/QUOTE]Even as a generalization I doubt that is correct.

[QUOTE=FRHolmes;1531808]Stickman also said many girls drink before their shift. If true shouldn't I see more dancers falling off the stage.[/QUOTE]Again a broad generalization. I have had girls from agogo clubs who confessed that the whiskey in their LD was cola mixed with water, and others who I almost had to carry to my room as their legs were a bit wobbly from too much drink. I'm sure Stickman is right, but is such behavior exclusive to agogo dancers? Don't we all know co-workers who arrive in the office in the early morning, already deep in their cups?

[QUOTE=FRHolmes;1532119]5. Bargirls are not normal. They were dealt a bad hand. Its not coincidence a lot cum from same same part of Thailand. Poverty and hookers go hand in hand.[/QUOTE]Well, not really. It is a choice to become a bar girl. There are plenty of poor girls from the NE that choose to stay in school. They can take out loans to finish Uni and then have a job. Becoming a bar girl is the easy way out. Most are parasites looking for a host to "take care" of them and their families.

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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1532218]Well, not really. It is a choice to become a bar girl. Becoming a bar girl is the easy way out. Most are parasites looking for a host to "take care" of them and their families.[/QUOTE]No doubt not at all untrue, although the 'choice' of 'becoming a bargirl' is often made for them in form of exploited childhood / youth, early pregnancy, family economic situation, etc. They are the victims of parasites.

The ones that take to it for a vocation are more like entrepreneurs and if they provide a good product we can be glad. If you let one become a parasite, it's only yourself to blame.

Mark this day in history. Feb 15. Nana Plaza actually looked like high season.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1532218]Becoming a bar girl is the easy way out.[/QUOTE]Parasites? People take whatever they can get.

Many bargirls are virtually forced into it when they have no way out of the families debt problems, and their normal job in a restaurant or whatever it is just not supplying enough money. Many have a child to support and father long gone. Bargirl is also a job. It pays better than many other jobs. What's your problem? Sure, some bargirls are manipulating several boyfriends, but this is not all of them. Many girls have no University degree. Thai society for many years was against girls becoming highly educated, unless brilliant at studies, since the parents believed the daughter would be destined to become a low class house-wife.

If you look down on hookers so much, why fuck them, and why be on the forum at all? Bargirls have an advantage over MP girls, in that they can get money just from dancing and trying to sell drinks. They don't get paid only on a per fuck basis. They can easily avoid customers they don't want to fuck. Sex-shop MP girls can avoid customers too but it seems less common as they have to fuck to make money, so the MP girls really have to put up with more than 50% a-hole customers.

Sure being a bar-girl is an easier way to make money? Why work damn hard for a fraction of the money. These girls who were single mothers at 16 or 18 never had a chance for a high-paying office job. The Thai society is reprehensible for not teaching young girls better on how to avoid pregnancy and how to buy contraceptives, and making sure they all get a proper education.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1532471]Parasites? People take whatever they can get.

Many bargirls are virtually forced into it when they have no way out of the families debt problems, and their normal job in a restaurant or whatever it is just not supplying enough money. Many have a child to support and father long gone. Bargirl is also a job. It pays better than many other jobs. What's your problem? Sure, some bargirls are manipulating several boyfriends, but this is not all of them. Many girls have no University degree. Thai society for many years was against girls becoming highly educated, unless brilliant at studies, since the parents believed the daughter would be destined to become a low class house-wife.

If you look down on hookers so much, why fuck them, and why be on the forum at all? Bargirls have an advantage over MP girls, in that they can get money just from dancing and trying to sell drinks. They don't get paid only on a per fuck basis. They can easily avoid customers they don't want to fuck. Sex-shop MP girls can avoid customers too but it seems less common as they have to fuck to make money, so the MP girls really have to put up with more than 50% a-hole customers.

Sure being a bar-girl is an easier way to make money? Why work damn hard for a fraction of the money. These girls who were single mothers at 16 or 18 never had a chance for a high-paying office job. The Thai society is reprehensible for not teaching young girls better on how to avoid pregnancy and how to buy contraceptives, and making sure they all get a proper education.[/QUOTE]I don't look down on hookers at all. Most of society does though, and it is not a job that is sustainable long term. Ever see a happy "old" hooker?

Would you advertise the fact that your gal is / was a prostitute to your family and friends back home? To your colleagues and their wives at a biz dinner? I would say probably not. Should you be able to? Well, I don't know, but this is the reality we have. Maybe one day prostitution will be considered as any other job. Right now that is not the case.

No one is "forced" into the job. It is a choice. Many bargirls have made bad choices and many choose to pay for the bad choices of their families. Nothing turns me off more than to hear some gal say,"have to take care of family." Not noble at all. Just continuing the cycle.

Actually Meechai of Cabbages and Condoms fame did a lot to educated Thais on the prevention of pregnancy and STIs. Sadly the last regime did a lot to remove this type of education, although I would say that one can find condoms everywhere in Thailand. So that is not really an excuse.

Look at the demographics for Unis her Syn. More women than men. There is plenty of gov aid available and open enrollment gov schools are not expensive.

Of course not everyone is Uni material, but jobs for high school grads can pay pretty well now as well. Check the stats, the average salary in Thailand has increased 50% since 2008.

Why fuck them? Because it is available. I would not date, support, or marry one. Of course I would not marry, support, or date a minister either.

[QUOTE=FRHolmes;1532448]Mark this day in history. Feb 15. Nana Plaza actually looked like high season.[/QUOTE]A date which will live in infamy!

[QUOTE=Jazzy Daddy;1529798]Next morning I headed over to tulip after breakfast and was looking for Goff but she was fully booked for the next 3 hours. I saw a young YaYa and we climbed the steps up to the room. After about a half hour of intense passion we asked Cherry to join us for the remaining hour. Nothing like a threesome to start the day.[/QUOTE]How were Yaya and Cherry's skill sets? Good performers? Bodies? Stretch marks?

[QUOTE=FRHolmes; 15321196] Would like to hear more about what goes on past midnight. Are there any customers? Do the top girls just leave or are they still going for the 3rd or 4th barfine of the night[/QUOTE]Even "top girls" are unlikely to have 3 or 4 barfines a night. I think they will go to make merit at the temple and thank the Buddha if they consistently have 2 barfines a night.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1532471]These girls who were single mothers at 16 or 18 never had a chance for a high-paying office job. The Thai society is reprehensible for not teaching young girls better on how to avoid pregnancy and how to buy contraceptives, and making sure they all get a proper education.[/QUOTE]Ah, now I understand why the Republicans and teabaggers, sorry Teaparty, members, object against sex education in schools! They want to make the USA into monger heaven in one generation.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1532679]Even "top girls" are unlikely to have 3 or 4 barfines a night. I think they will go to make merit at the temple and thank the Buddha if they consistently have 2 barfines a night.[/QUOTE] With some of these dancers, you are seeing just a portion of their business, the tip of the iceberg.

For example in regard to Rainbow 4, some of the stunners often can pick up a long term after midnight, and that alone can be 5, 000 to 6, 000 baht, and some will selectively bareback on those sessions (and I'm not referring to #15 as I don't know what she does, but instead another extremely hot but comparable dancer that i've not alluded to in any way in prior posts) and that can generate some repeat business. I even know of cases where guys are routinely flying in (example from Hong Kong) just to do certain girls. Plus these girls are only at the club usually 4 to 5 hours a day so they can sometimes have appointments before work, and can randomly have on any given day former customers arriving back in town who will contact them, and many of course have guys on an ongoing basis sending them money. As far as 2 barfines a night? LOL, some of these stunners will leave with a customer and you see them back in the club in 40 minutes or less.

4 to 5 customers a day is certainly doable for certain ones, but its not necessarily just going to be all club based..

These stunners are effectively putting themselves out in public, and they have many other options to make money, so one has to figure they wouldn't do it without a large potential payoff. They could go somewhat low profile in a Soapy, but on an average day perhaps only 1/20th the customers are going to be seeing them. In fact there appears to be a lot more stunners working Go Go's these days than in Soapies, (and that includes even places like La Belle) and its has to be about gaining maximum exposure and thereby maximum odds of earning big dollars. Of course many have the mistress option, but not only could it be less dollars but loss of freedom. Now stunners are 99% of the time not going to go on the street, (although I 've seen a few authentic stunners from other clubs work Nana parking lot for brief periods on their off days, but they last about 5 minutes) so Go Go dancing is the alternate way to be seen by many.

The winning formula seems to be stunning looks + maximum exposure to the public + decent personality + positive stage vibe + willingness to take nearly all types of customers, not just Japanese.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1532708]With some of these dancers, you are seeing just a portion of their business.

4 to 5 customers a day is certainly doable for certain ones.

The winning formula seems to be stunning looks + good personality + positive stage vibe + willing to take all types of customers, not just Japanese.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. See for yourself at Crazy House where certain ones are off the stage, upstairs and back in half-an-hour. Then Repeat. And Repeat.

Believing stunners in go Go's have trouble getting 2 customers a day just doesn't make sense.

Wasn't there a hottie over at Annies last fall and summer who was basically booked solid each day, and in fact she stopped doing overnights because she was so busy? I understand (as I never met her) her personality was good also, and of course she did A level but beyond that her requsites were what? Young, tall, slender, and pretty or in other words she was a stunner.

So why would a comparable girl in a Go Go willing to work just as hard, and put in as many hours, and basically be willing to give up much of her social life, not be earning similar money?

Now admittedly soapie girls (unlike Go Go girls) don't have comparable discretion to turn down customers, so in that sense its a more difficult job, but I don't think that changes the general rule.

Stunners with decent personalities have a certain market value in Bangkok, and while their cash flows can get temporarily disrupted due to unforeseen outside events (such as relentless political protests impacting tourism) , longer term the market will put a premium on their services

[QUOTE=Western787;1532920]Believing stunners in go Go's have trouble getting 2 customers a day just doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]The over success of ew does not necessarily mean all can line up massive business. They certainly have better chacnes than other or more average providers.

But even if you have a tank of water in the desert and can expect huge business if nobody walks through your tank of water will dry and you will be broke.

Business happens because there are two willing parties. One is the girl. The other one is the customer. Are there customers enough to fill the nights of the stunners with at least 2 customers a day?