Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[QUOTE=Hardlock1]
I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha[/QUOTE]
She doesn't have education and her family can't afford it. She is only qualified for farm or factory work. But that is hard and heavy work, many hours per week and it will wear her down and pay very, very little. Although giving blow jobs to strangers all day may seem like difficult and dirty work, and it is to some degree, it is easier and cleaner than farm or factory work. Were she not lovely she would be on the farm still. She also can not marry into a family with money despite her looks as the families would not be compatible. Her best hope is mistress, second wife, girlfriend of someone rich so she doesn't have to work blowjobs.

She may well be supporting a family in the countryside with her urban labor and paying school fees for a brother or sister who have a hope of education and a good job in the future. She is relaxed and enthusiastic about her work because for the first time she can earn some real money and help her family and there is a lot of goodness in that for her, despite what she is doing to earn it. She is in a clean and safe place, out of the sun, she has clean water to drink and bathe and 3 good meals a day. From time to time during the day she is called upstairs to do her 20 mins of work. It's not so bad compared to what others have to do to earn much less.
JD

[QUOTE=Johndao]She doesn't have education and her family can't afford it. She is only qualified for farm or factory work. But that is hard and heavy work, many hours per week and it will wear her down and pay very, very little. Although giving blow jobs to strangers all day may seem like difficult and dirty work, and it is to some degree, it is easier and cleaner than farm or factory work. Were she not lovely she would be on the farm still. She also can not marry into a family with money despite her looks as the families would not be compatible. Her best hope is mistress, second wife, girlfriend of someone rich so she doesn't have to work blowjobs.

She may well be supporting a family in the countryside with her urban labor and paying school fees for a brother or sister who have a hope of education and a good job in the future. She is relaxed and enthusiastic about her work because for the first time she can earn some real money and help her family and there is a lot of goodness in that for her, despite what she is doing to earn it. She is in a clean and safe place, out of the sun, she has clean water to drink and bathe and 3 good meals a day. From time to time during the day she is called upstairs to do her 20 mins of work. It's not so bad compared to what others have to do to earn much less.
JD[/QUOTE]I do understand all that, John. And, unfortunately, Vietnam is probably 25 or 30 years away from any kind of real culture change where the country girls have the same chance as the city girls. I remember South Korea in the early 1970's, and it was just like Vietnam is now. Today, South Korea imports its working girls from all over, but mostly from The Philippines. MY ex-wife's family still own many bars in Korea and import Filipina help.

However, all that being said, I suggest that you get on over there and make your contribution to her brother, sister, family or whatever. LOL After all, we are all agreed that she is there of necessity. So, necessitate. I'm smiling, John. I'm smiling.

H is out

[QUOTE=Hardlock1]I am here to officially thank you, Milkweed, for pm'ing me the address of that place on NPK. I went there today, and did as you said to do, and it went as you said it would. Well, except, as I walked in the front door, there was a Viet guy there opening the door for me and saying, "blow job ok! Blow job ok! " Ha ha ha ha There was no doubt I was entering the correct establishment. It don't look like much from the street, very discreet is what I would call it.

I picked a girl named Thu. 21 years old, fresh off the farm it seemed. Face about 9 3/4 I would say, body about an 8 or 8 1/2. Attitude about 15 or 20. Since I am leaving here on Sunday, I have to squeeze in a couple more visits to that place.

One thing was remiss, however. She told me to go downstairs and pay Mamasan. I proceeded to do just that, and when I handed her 200, 000 and indicated one of them was for Thu, she and another woman started explaining to me how the price was 100, 000 more. I dunno why. Anyone ever pay that there? Did I mess it up for everybody? I'm sorry if I did. All in all, it was great and way, way worth more than I paid, and well worth several more visits.

I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

H is Out[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the information (and Johndao too). Here is my report.

I left my hotel to walk to the address provided. On the way there I was approached by a MotoBike girl. She pulled along side and said "boom boom" and motioned to get on the back of her bike.

She was cute but must have been about 4 foot nothing. I'm a 6'2" 250lbs man. I don't think her bike would handle me. Also, I was not about to get on a bike to be taken to parts unknown. So I passed.

I found the place on NPK. I went inside and they took me upstairs. The girl that took me was about 5 feet tall, sort of cute but nothing spectacular. I asked her how much and she told me 400k! According to other reports and information, I was expecting to pay 100K for the girl and 80k for the house. I tried to tell her I did not have that much but she was steady on her price. I motioned that it was too high and left. She didn't look too happy but oh well.

So I went to another spot on NPK. Same thing: 400k. So I left.

Is 400k now the price? It is still a bargain for us Americans but I don't want to overpay and spoil it for the rest.

Joe

[QUOTE=Joe Coodidge]
Is 400k now the price? It is still a bargain for us Americans but I don't want to overpay and spoil it for the rest.

Joe[/QUOTE]

OMG. No! John Dao already stated the price. It's 100,ooo to the girl. 80,ooo for the massage. Thanks for not paying 400,ooo that's way too much.

[QUOTE=Joe Coodidge]
I found the place on NPK. I went inside and they took me upstairs. The girl that took me was about 5 feet tall, sort of cute but nothing spectacular. I asked her how much and she told me 400k! According to other reports and information, I was expecting to pay 100K for the girl and 80k for the house. I tried to tell her I did not have that much but she was steady on her price. I motioned that it was too high and left. She didn't look too happy but oh well.

So I went to another spot on NPK. Same thing: 400k. So I left.

Is 400k now the price? It is still a bargain for us Americans but I don't want to overpay and spoil it for the rest.

Joe[/QUOTE]
Ok, I don't know how many times to repeat this. Maybe use different words? Don't ask the fucking price! If she says it's 400k then it's 400k because one is fool enough to ask even though you have the benefit of the REAL info from this ISG Forum, you seem either unable or unwilling to comprehend it. Just give her 100k f***ing Dong after you cum in her mouth and 80k to the house or 100k if you want and LEAVE! If this is too difficult for you maybe you should find another place to monger like Thai or PI or the HBT bars.
JD

[QUOTE=Johndao]Ok, I don't know how many times to repeat this. Maybe use different words? Don't ask the fucking price! If she says it's 400k then it's 400k because one is fool enough to ask even though you have the benefit of the REAL info from this ISG Forum, you seem either unable or unwilling to comprehend it. Just give her 100k f***ing Dong after you cum in her mouth and 80k to the house or 100k if you want and LEAVE! If this is too difficult for you maybe you should find another place to monger like Thai or PI or the HBT bars.
JD[/QUOTE]

JD, you don't have to be so angry. This is a new area for me so the purpose of this forum I thought was to ask questions and learn.

I tried to give her 100K and she wanted more. I told her I don't have more (I did but I did not want to let her know). Was I supposed to force her to do it?

I'm at a disadvantage since I don't speak the language.

I comprehend what you are saying but sometimes it does not work out the same way. Would you have rather that I pay 400K? I think not.

[QUOTE=Joe Coodidge]JD, you don't have to be so angry. This is a new area for me so the purpose of this forum I thought was to ask questions and learn.

I tried to give her 100K and she wanted more. I told her I don't have more (I did but I did not want to let her know). Was I supposed to force her to do it?

I'm at a disadvantage since I don't speak the language.

I comprehend what you are saying but sometimes it does not work out the same way. Would you have rather that I pay 400K? I think not.[/QUOTE]
Joe, I tried to be helpful, you seem not to understand again and again so I feel I have wasted my time which is a valuable commodity to me.

You are stuck on talking about 'what she wanted' which is irrelevant. You don't ask or talk about money in normal VN BJ and/or full sex places. You know the deal in advance (the purpose of the Forum), you do it, you pay. That's what the Forum is for. If you don't or can't get it because of whatever reason, sorry.
JD

John,

I have always been under the impression that Jackson named this a "Forum", a place for open discussion and opinions on a very narrow spectrum and a few subjects. Mongering, Sex, Prices, Places, and whatnot. When a Senior Member gets his ass chewed for asking questions, then I have to question the validity of Jackson's naming of this place we communicate in.

Please let me say that my heroes are you, JohnDao, Asian Rain, SugarBaba, CunnintStunt, etc, the guys with over a few hundred posts, and I have learned so much from all of you. I would rather get shot than to mess up your mongering ground, as I am sure Joe would also. RTFF is a singular issue, and I am sure we all understand it rather well, but still, as Vietnam can sometimes be distorted, unclear and just plain side-ways, so can situations you run into every day, mongering included. I mess up sometimes, unintentionally, but I mess up anyway. I correct it where I can. Joe PM'd me, and asked me about that place, I messaged him back and told him, in detail. When it didn't go the way I told him, he walked out, and got back on the Forum for clarification. That is highly laudable and commendable of him, and is exactly what a Senior Member would be reasonably expected to do! IMHO, there is no ass-chewing for that! No sireeeee! I aint saying you owe him an apology, (but you do), but I am saying that you have taken a position of great leadership here in the Vietnam Forum. We all look up to you and respect you for your more than generous contributions. So teach, oh wise one. Teach. Guide us, lead us, correct us, Mentor us. But remember, John, the wise words from the Ancient Wise One in the movie, High Road To China: "The Oxen is slow, but the Earth is Patient!"

We are just Oxen, John. So lead us. My old Grandpappy told me once you and catch more flies with Sugar than you can with Salt! Ha ha ha ha ha

H is out

[QUOTE=Johndao]Joe, I tried to be helpful, you seem not to understand again and again so I feel I have wasted my time which is a valuable commodity to me.

You are stuck on talking about 'what she wanted' which is irrelevant. You don't ask or talk about money in normal VN BJ and/or full sex places. You know the deal in advance (the purpose of the Forum), you do it, you pay. That's what the Forum is for. If you don't or can't get it because of whatever reason, sorry.
JD[/QUOTE]

I guess you and I have different personalities and ways of handling things.
For the record I took out 100K and she said no, it was 400K. I tried at 100K but she would not agree and I left. Maybe you would just not worry about what she says and put your dick in her mouth. That is not me.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your help.

Joe

I would not interfer but one detail : it is you or not is not taken into account.

They are like that. Dick mouth-pot. You don't have any substance to create where there is none.

Joe, for the sake of argument you are missing the point. I've been to these places alot. You don't discuss money, just go upstairs do the deed and hand her 100k. Walk downstairs and pay the house ticket, they never have change. If you go in asking questions like a newby you're going to get treated like a newby. Put on the persona of "knowing the score".

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Joe, for the sake of argument you are missing the point. I've been to these places alot. You don't discuss money, just go upstairs do the deed and hand her 100k. Walk downstairs and pay the house ticket, they never have change. If you go in asking questions like a newby you're going to get treated like a newby. Put on the persona of "knowing the score".[/QUOTE]

This might be one approach, but not the only approach.

I am a newbie, speaking about 5 words of Vietnamese. I always negotiate beforehand, and always get a decent price in these places. After coming into the shop, I say and gesture "blowjob", then wait for them to say something, then gesture 2 and suggest "hai cham, ok?" (200k), pointing 1 for house 1 for the girl. I only go upstairs after all is clear.

Done this 10+ times. Worst outcome was being asked 150k for the girl, which came down to 100k after I turned to leave. Best was 160k total (they said it right after I said "blowjob").

In most places it's 100k for the house (paid either before or after) + 100 for the girl (*always* after), but some charge all upfront.

Even if you try to pretend you know the score, they will still see you're a newbie (who are you kidding?). When they try tricks, if I didn't clearly state things upfront, I'm in a worse position.

Once a girl was stalling in the room and and trying to get away with a HJ when BJ was agreed on. After trying to correct her 3 times with no cooperation, I paid zero tip, and left (100k for house paid before we went). Had I not made things clear upfront, I would not have the guts to do this.

After the fact, what do you do if they ask you for 500k? Sure, you can just pay the going rate and work your way out, but that feels like inviting trouble given you're on their premises.

The situation is very different than the implicit "up to you" from a Thai girl when you're doing the deed in your or neutral place.

In the end, they're service providers, they do want your business, and there's plenty of competition, so you can always walk out. I think the *real* root problem is that most of us are not assertive when it comes to negotiating prices (since we're used to fixed prices in the west).

[QUOTE=Joe Coodidge]I guess you and I have different personalities and ways of handling things.

For the record I took out 100K and she said no, it was 400K. I tried at 100K but she would not agree and I left. Maybe you would just not worry about what she says and put your dick in her mouth. That is not me.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your help.

Joe[/QUOTE]Joe we see so many reports from SE Asia written by the white guys. Can you tell the “Brothers” how it was being a Brother in Vietnam? What did you experience that was unique due to you being Black? Any racism dealing with the locals or the girls talking size and shit?

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brotha[/url]

I looked all over the internet and could not find one report written by a Brother and his experiences in modern Vietnam. I searched ISG and all I could come up with was a rather “colorful” (pun intended) report by board member Wendella in reference to the African residents who lurk the streets of HCM.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]This might be one approach, but not the only approach.

I am a newbie, speaking about 5 words of Vietnamese. I always negotiate beforehand, and always get a decent price in these places. After coming into the shop, I say and gesture "blowjob", then wait for them to say something, then gesture 2 and suggest "hai cham, ok?" (200k), pointing 1 for house 1 for the girl. I only go upstairs after all is clear.

Done this 10+ times. Worst outcome was being asked 150k for the girl, which came down to 100k after I turned to leave. Best was 160k total (they said it right after I said "blowjob").

In most places it's 100k for the house (paid either before or after) + 100 for the girl (*always* after), but some charge all upfront.

Even if you try to pretend you know the score, they will still see you're a newbie (who are you kidding?). When they try tricks, if I didn't clearly state things upfront, I'm in a worse position.

Once a girl was stalling in the room and and trying to get away with a HJ when BJ was agreed on. After trying to correct her 3 times with no cooperation, I paid zero tip, and left (100k for house paid before we went). Had I not made things clear upfront, I would not have the guts to do this.

After the fact, what do you do if they ask you for 500k? Sure, you can just pay the going rate and work your way out, but that feels like inviting trouble given you're on their premises.

The situation is very different than the implicit "up to you" from a Thai girl when you're doing the deed in your or neutral place.

In the end, they're service providers, they do want your business, and there's plenty of competition, so you can always walk out. I think the *real* root problem is that most of us are not assertive when it comes to negotiating prices (since we're used to fixed prices in the west).[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the posting. Many of us (yes, us stupid Americans) have different approaches that are not that assertive. It takes a little getting used to mongering in a different country. Sure, people might say it is ok to do this or to do that but still, I don't want to get into trouble. In one establishment in another country, I almost got my ass kicked by the bouncer.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Joe, for the sake of argument you are missing the point. I've been to these places alot. You don't discuss money, just go upstairs do the deed and hand her 100k. Walk downstairs and pay the house ticket, they never have change. If you go in asking questions like a newby you're going to get treated like a newby. Put on the persona of "knowing the score".[/QUOTE]
Yes Dragonfly, thank you. You've got the point that Hardlock missed. Joe was given explicit directions again and again. He was told the place, the deal, the price. He was told how to do it. But it was too difficult for him to follow. Instead he went in to the shop and pretended that he was NOT a senior Forum Member, he pretended that he did not know the price, that he did not know wahat was up. So he asked some 19yo with a third grade education how much the BJ is and she said 400k and he ran out the door and back to his computer to ask his question.

He did the same thing on street action. He was told exactly where and when to go. He went and saw TONS of the girls exactly as described to him, when and where. And then he ran back to his computer and asked again, are THOSE the girls? Read AR's reply where he wrote I was too kind.

I mean this is not hand-holding. We are mature mongering men and I give the exact score and right-on directions. If it's not your nature, then forget it. Go to a big hotel and get a $20 HJ or to a HBT bar where they speak English and get a 600k BJ upstairs.
JD